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我没有像俄罗斯在处理电晕方面的记录那样享有盛誉。 我写的是俄罗斯官方统计数据 严重低估 一年多前的电晕死亡率,在西方记者普遍注意到它之前,并在 随后的几个月. 具有讽刺意味的是,俄罗斯开发了世界上最有效的疫苗之一 Sputnik V,尽管美国做出了艰苦的努力,但它的有效率高达 90% 以上,并且在国际上的采用率与大型制药公司的解决方案相当部门 鱼雷 – 未能转化为高疫苗接种率。

截至目前,俄罗斯 11% 疫苗接种率 远远落后于英美 (~50%) 和欧盟 (~30%),仅与欧盟国家之前的保加利亚 (11%) 以及东亚的日本和韩国 (8-11 %),然而,它们在用传统措施遏制电晕方面取得了很大的成功。 中国 28% 遥遥领先(尽管国药有效率较低),巴西和土耳其略领先,甚至印度也处于水平挂钩。 相对于其“不结盟”和中等收入地位,塞尔维亚一直是疫苗接种运动中无可争议的明星,利用大型制药公司、俄罗斯和中国为其公民争取最好的交易。 提供辉瑞、人造卫星 V 和国药在塞尔维亚之间的选择确保了高疫苗接种率 各种各样的疯子 他们根据地缘政治偏好做出此类决定。

那么这是普京政权的彻底失败吗?

如果这确实是 vaccome 分发的失败,那将是。 但我看到很少有迹象表明这几个月来一直是个问题。 我知道莫斯科的老人几个月来一直接到他们附属的诊所的电话,护士们在电话中恳求他们来接受人造卫星五号射击。 如果您不想打扰您的诊所,您可以前往莫斯科购物中心和公园的数十个地点中的任何一个。 所需要做的就是提供您的护照,您有资格当场注射疫苗,无需提问,结果稍后会显示在 Gosuslugi(电子州身份证注册商)上,作为疫苗接种的证明。 如果您出于某种原因不喜欢 Sputnik V,现在您可以选择购买 Vector Institute 的 EpiVacCorona。 您甚至可以为您的麻烦获得免费冰淇淋。

位于红场中央购物商场 GUM 的电晕疫苗接种点。 偷看里面,我注意到队列是不存在的。

在通常的嫌疑人说莫斯科/圣彼得堡垄断所有疫苗之前,这显然也不是真的。 它 几个月前的准确反驳,但今天,莫斯科在整个俄罗斯地区的疫苗接种率(!)中排名第 33 位。 实际上,楚科奇和涅涅茨自治州等偏远地区的死亡率最高,而别尔哥罗德州和莫尔多维亚等许多相对贫困的地区 也领先 莫斯科。 显然,疫苗接种率不再由分销瓶颈决定,而是由区域政策和当地人口反疫苗情绪的相对水平决定。

因此,在俄罗斯死于电晕现在是“可选的”,而且在许多地区,已经有几个月了。

疫苗接种率仍然很低的核心原因现在显然是由以下事实主导的,即后苏联环境是世界上最严重的环境之一。 意识形态上最反vaxx. 用轶事的话来说,当我认识的那个老人一直接到他/她的诊所的电话,让他​​/她接到人造卫星五号的电话时,这对我来说变得很清楚,因为他/她确信这是普京计划淘汰俄罗斯养老金领取者的阴谋(原文如此)。 这似乎是该人群的普遍观点。 共产党人往往是俄罗斯最活跃的反 vaxx 煽动者之一,因此他们如何帮助扼杀他们衰落的选民的残余在某种程度上是病态的有趣。 然而,直到几个月前,反普京的自由派还发起了一场反对 Sputnik V 的宣传运动(要么是根据西方操纵者的指示,要么是因为他们感到无法控制地抹黑和诽谤俄罗斯的任何东西,或者可能是两者的结合) ),当然也无济于事。 尽管他们中的大多数人最终还是接种了人造卫星五号——这些人可能是反俄罗斯的理论家,但他们并不愚蠢,而且确实喜欢带着尽可能少的问题去旅行——他们的黑人公关活动的后果可能会继续存在影响那些在吸收上“较慢”且对他们的技巧不明智的年长俄罗斯人。

尽管如此,处于电晕人口风险组中与因国家分配失败而无法获得疫苗而死亡与因太懒惰、偏执和/或为了接种疫苗而被阴谋论摧毁了你的大脑。 这些人的固执使生活变得比实际情况更不舒服(例如,我怨恨 正在接种 并且仍然被正式规定在地铁和其他公共室内场所戴口罩)。 但关键是,就他们现在死于电晕而言,现在是通过他们自己有意识的选择——也就是说,现在更像是达尔文奖而不是悲剧。 如果一个人性格愤世嫉俗,甚至可能会向他们在不知情的情况下为俄罗斯预算和养老金体系做出的牺牲致敬。

 
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  1. 请不要在当前主题发布 打开主题.

    如果您是我的新手, 从这里开始.

    评论规则。 请注意,不允许匿名评论。

  2. 显然,从自私的角度来看,不接种疫苗是愚蠢的。
    但这也是令人不快的自私。

    90% 的效力意味着接种疫苗的人中有 10% 仍然易受伤害。 不接种疫苗和不促进羊群效应甚至使接种疫苗的老年人处于危险之中。

    • 不同意: RadicalCenter, Joe Paluka
  3. @michael droy

    人造卫星在 90% 的病例中甚至可以预防轻微疾病,在 100% 的情况下可以防止死亡和住院。 与性别不同,免疫力是非二元的。

    • 回复: @melanf
  4. 我想知道有多少人错误地相信他们感染了 Covid 并得出结论认为他们不会从疫苗中受益?

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  5. 俄罗斯是否有伊维菌素的摄入量?

    其功效的证据似乎越来越多。

    • 回复: @ravin' lunatic
  6. SafeNow 说:

    在美国,媒体和接种疫苗运动普遍使用的短语是“射入武器”。 我想知道有多少人在听到“手臂”时,会在脑海中想象“手臂”。 就像在实验室抽血一样; 静脉注射; 肘前窝刺穿疼痛。 哎哟。 哎呀。 为什么不“拍肩膀”? 以免您认为上述内容荒谬地低估了美国人的医学水平,请记住,处方药瓶现在必须标明“口服”。 在俄罗斯,用语是否指定了手臂?

    • 回复: @Rahan
    , @Badger Down
  7. g2k 说:

    看起来英国政府即将再次移动目标,以结束英国的准封锁。 他们最初承诺一旦非常脆弱的人接种了疫苗,就在复活节前结束,但将其延长了四个月,并为重新开放设定了一个荒谬的时间,以安抚他们已将所有权力委托给的迷你福奇委员会; 谁出乎意料地要求再延期一次。 几乎所有老年人都接种了疫苗,其余的大多数成年人至少接种了一次疫苗。 这一次,在未接种疫苗的口袋里和十几岁/ 20 岁出头的人中,有一种变异的歇斯底里症和病例小幅上升的组合,这就是借口。 每日死亡人数为个位数。 他们可以摆脱这种厚颜无耻的不诚实行为,因为无论他们的疫苗接种状态如何,该国绝大多数人仍然对此歇斯底里,并且将支持无限期的无限限制。 如果 Lemoine 说的是实话,那么欧洲的大部分地区甚至更糟。 具有讽刺意味的是,勃列日涅夫俄罗斯不那么出色的电晕数据实际上导致绝大多数俄罗斯人的生活质量高于绝大多数欧洲人,这可能是历史上第一次。

  8. @g2k

    段落!

    他们可以摆脱这种厚颜无耻的不诚实,因为该国大部分地区仍然对此感到歇斯底里

    1、根据形势的变化改变计划不是“厚颜无耻”。

    2. 国家希望以超低风险方式开放; 所以民主选举的政府把它交给他们是有道理的。

    我也讨厌封锁,但上述两个事实仍然成立。

  9. g wiltek 说:

    人们可以告诉我们我们是愚蠢的,这真是太好了! 我将继续相信我的身体,而不是任何政客或亿万富翁。 非常感谢你。

    • 同意: Pop Warner, Female in FL
    • 回复: @Rich
    , @silviosilver
  10. g2k 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    2. 国家希望以超低风险方式开放; 所以民主选举的政府把它交给他们是有道理的。

    超低风险是在他们接种疫苗之前采取预防措施,这更像是零 假想 为自己和他人付出极大代价的风险,没有任何可接受的结局。 此外,还有一个事实是,任何真正实现“零冠状病毒”的国家都可以期待像澳大利亚这样多年来获得东德式出境签证的真正风险。

    如果人们在接种两剂疫苗后,预防传播率远远超过 30%,并且严重疾病/死亡的预防率要高得多,对于一种病死率并不高的疾病,在大量接种疫苗的人群中,死亡率非常低。无论如何,流通仍然要求其他人在他们的脸上抹上抹布并在法律的全部力量下保持社交距离,那么非歇斯底里的 XNUMX% 左右的人口告诉他们去做一个在道德上是非常正确的。

    • 同意: RadicalCenter, Beckow, AltanBakshi
    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Dmitry
  11. melanf 说:

    如果您出于某种原因不喜欢 Sputnik V,现在您可以选择购买 Vector Institute 的 EpiVacCorona。

    与人造卫星不同,EpiVacCorona(基于对它的了解)对冠状病毒提供零保护。 虽然这可以看作是另一种人口选择的措施(无法理解疫苗有效性的白痴会接种EpiVacCorona)

  12. melanf 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    S

    putnik 在 90% 的病例中甚至可以预防轻微疾病,在 100% 的病例中可以预防死亡和住院。 与性别不同,免疫力是非二元的。

    人类历史上从来没有100%有效的疫苗,人造卫星也不例外。 毫无疑问,有打过疫苗的人,然后带着covid去医院,当然也有死于冠冕的人。 疫苗将这种结果的可能性降低了十倍,但不能提供 100% 的保证

  13. @g2k

    你知道20件事吗? 立即向他们询问他们的朋友和 Covid。

    • 回复: @g2k
  14. @Triteleia Laxa

    我想不少人。 另一位非常年长的熟人(也是反 vaxx)认为她在 2020 年 XNUMX 月感染了它。我试图解释说,这种可能性基本上为零,但可以预见的是失败了。

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  15. @melanf

    它是对死亡的 ~100%。 即使没有疫苗,Covid 也能 100% 抵御死亡!

  16. 我以老式的方式获得了 COVID,但无论如何我都在考虑接种疫苗,我的选择是 Sputnik 或 EpiVacCorona。

    EpiVacCorona 有什么用? 据说,有一些试验参与者的 Telegram 抱怨第二次注射后缺乏效率和生病。 合法,还是更黑的公关?

    • 回复: @g2k
    , @melanf
  17. Znzn 说:

    他们还能在俄罗斯买到西方疫苗吧?

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  18. @g2k

    很久以前,英国的封锁显然已经退化为某种奇怪的美德信号奇观。

    总体而言,俄罗斯在避免这种情况方面做得很好,因此对于美国和中欧的大部分地区而言(我的立场一直是,如果您从根本上不认真对待电晕,则不应采取封锁措施)。 当然,中国总体上做得最好。

  19. @Znzn

    不,我不这么认为。 我也看不出重点。 像以色列和盎格鲁人那样,尽早为它们投标可能会更有效,但俄罗斯的根本问题(如上所述)并不缺乏疫苗。

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    • 回复: @utu
  20. g2k 说:
    @The Big Red Scary

    如果 Sputnik 是俄罗斯的 AstraZeneca 和 EpiVac,类似于 Phizer/Modena,那么后者的副作用可能会更少或没有。 有趣的是,我认识的每个服用 AZ 的人第二天都有轻微的流感样症状(我想 AK 说他有来自人造卫星的那个,不记得了),服用 Phizer 的每个人(包括我自己)都有轻微的疼痛第二天手臂,大约是流感疫苗的一半。

    • 回复: @Vishnugupta
    , @melanf
  21. @Anatoly Karlin

    每次我生病时,我都会告诉自己“这是最糟糕的”、“我从未有过这样的感觉”、“让我去死吧”。

    鉴于此,我可以很容易地说服自己,每一种疾病都是某种独特的可怕事件,但我对时间的感知让过去的一切都变成了现实,使内部情节剧的模式变得明显。

    我注意到许多其他人并没有这么明显,即使我提醒他们之前多次说过的话。

    对于同样的现象,我认为我几乎没有一年没有认识的人,在某些时候,提供天气特别奇怪,以前从未像现在这样。

  22. g2k 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    如果你是一个二十多岁的人,健康状况使你更容易受到令人讨厌的电晕病例的影响,那么几个月前你就会被提供两次刺戳。

    关于 WFH 的有趣之处在于,我的一些同事发现了这一点并继续努力解决它。 一个完全没有症状,另一个有一周流感样症状,嗅觉丧失大约需要六周时间才能解决。 两人都从他们在工作中发现它的配偶那里发现了它(如果他们诚实的话)。

    这当然是轶事。 几个月来,人们都知道,一个健康的 20 多岁的人死于这种疾病的几率非常低,而且患重病的几率很低但并非微不足道。 持续数周的嗅觉丧失可能非常令人不快,但随之而来的无休止的限制也是如此。 我之前已经说过很多次了,但它只是强调了洋基队的疯狂:在英国大部分地区,从 XNUMX 月到 XNUMX 月,约会是一种刑事犯罪,我们的健康塔利班正在尖叫,以防止放松这一愚蠢的规则然后。

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
  23. UNIT472 说:

    美国一直在高估新冠病毒死亡人数,这在很大程度上是因为死于新冠病毒的老人比死于肺炎或“由此或其他事情引起的并发症”的老人对医院更有利可图。 前段时间我注意到了这一点,当时周日和周一的死亡率数字总是最低的。 我的猜测是,医院管理人员希望在医生在死亡证明上列出死因之前审查周末过期的患者病例。

    在某些情况下它变得荒谬。 一名 45 岁的男子因在摩托车事故中受伤而被送入创伤病房,其 Covid 检测呈阳性(所有入院都经过检测),因此如果他在手术期间死亡,死因被列为 Covid,特别是如果他没有保险。 可以肯定的是,如果乔文警官起身接听他的手机,而乔治·弗洛伊德 (George Floyd) 独自躺在阴沟里死了,他的死就会被列为新冠肺炎,因为如果死因被列为,接收医院将一无所获。过量服用芬太尼和甲基苯丙胺。

    其他国家有其他理由来降低新冠病毒的死亡人数。 秘鲁只是承认他们的数字被严重低估了,但既然他们正在进行选举,无论如何也无能为力,为什么要吓唬公众。

  24. @g2k

    Epivac corona 不是 mRNA 疫苗,而是基于肽的疫苗。

    其功效数据不确定,已获准在俄罗斯以外的土库曼斯坦使用。

    Sputnik 与 AZ 相似,但使用两种不同的人类病毒作为载体,而不是阿斯利康的黑猩猩病毒。

    事实证明,阿斯利康 (Astra Zeneca) 在印度第二波疫情期间在预防住院方面非常有效。 我公司保险涵盖的 100% 的人服用了一剂(即 1000 名年龄在 45 岁以上的人的样本)要么没有感染 Covid,要么症状较轻,不需要住院或补充氧气。

    有类似的轶事证据表明其在全国范围内的有效性。

    两次剂量后,人造卫星应该会更好。

    • 谢谢: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @Jatt Aryaa
  25. 76239 说:

    [更多]

    这些不是疫苗。 疫苗中含有一点点疾病。 由于从未通过真正的隔离证明 C-19 存在,因此这些“疫苗”不含 C-19,只不过是嵌合体。 他们自己的制造商声称假疫苗不会阻止您获得 C-19,只会让您了解症状。

    为什么有任何情报的人会相信制药公司(辉瑞、强生等)对责任具有豁免权,并且几十年来因过去的产品故障而向原告支付了巨额赔偿金? 我猜你信任他们是因为人脉广泛的技术人员认可他们?

    现代科学已经失去了寻求真理的任何外表。 这是一种寻租促销球拍。 至少你典型的俄罗斯 rube 比写这个胡言乱语的心不在焉的 IQ 痴迷专栏作家更有意义。

    • 同意: Pop Warner
    • 哈哈: Bashibuzuk
    • 巨魔: Triteleia Laxa
    • 回复: @Sinotibetan
  26. Passer by 说:

    俄罗斯 11% 的疫苗接种率远远落后于英美 (~50%) 和欧盟 (~30%) 的接种率

    比较完全接种疫苗的人的百分比使这不那么尴尬。 不过只是一点点。

    俄罗斯约为 10%,而英国/美国为 42%,欧盟为 22%。

    • 回复: @thotmonger
  27. GazaPlanet 说:

    我认为相当清楚的是,尽管自封的“知识分子”中有所有“美德信号”,但如果忽略了新冠病毒,公众就几乎不会意识到它确实正在发生。

    • 同意: Fox, Joe Paluka
  28. Beckow 说:
    @GazaPlanet

    ……如果covid 被忽视,那么公众几乎不会意识到它正在发生。

    恰恰。 Vaxers(如 AK)不能承认的现实是,集中在老年人和病人中的死亡率增加 15% 并不是一场灾难。 它在正常范围内。 一个人不必发疯。

    今天,vaxers 鼓励每个人将神奇的液体泵入他们的静脉。 他们承诺并且不确定他们做了什么。 Misery 喜欢陪伴,AK 不会觉得自己像个潜在的傻瓜。 也许俄罗斯 90% 的人都是聪明人。 他们可能没有高智商,但有更高的生物 Q 更重要的进化(BQ,我会申请专利:)。

    在接种疫苗的人出现长期并发症的情况下,观察他们的反应会很有趣。 他们可能仍会责怪未接种疫苗的人。 无论如何,他们每年都有一次可以期待的复习计划——有些人会年复一年地排队几十年。 这真的很聪明吗? 是用其他疫苗完成的吗?

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Ximenes
  29. Idk 俄罗斯和其他不会接种疫苗/无法控制病毒的国家都完蛋了。 也许一些非洲国家可以接受,因为他们的大部分人口都在 40 岁以下,但俄罗斯的情况并非如此。

    如果俄罗斯有几百万人死亡 + 数百万长期受损的人——那么很多人会生气并想要报复。 在巴西和其他地方也是如此。

    危险时期。

    • 回复: @Rich
  30. @Beckow

    (1) 你能指出我在哪里说这将是一场“灾难”吗?

    我记得,正是 Daily Stormer 类型的右翼分子和“groypers”在咆哮着电晕将如何在 2020 年 2020 月杀死所有人,然后做了一个大脸并声称这是 XNUMX 月至 XNUMX 月左右的“骗局” XNUMX。

    我对情况的评估一直都经过了很好的校准(即使我自己这么说),这是迄今为止我最喜欢的例子:

    (2) 如果你 80 岁了,你不想接种疫苗,因为“普特勒想对养老金领取者进行种族灭绝”(“比尔盖茨想杀我”等),那么你要么有(a ) 一个死亡愿望,或 (b) 是一个白痴,尽管在这种特殊情况下,这也可以通过老年痴呆症来解释。 好吧,正如我所说的,这些人现在可以为我所关心而死,无论如何俄罗斯政府已经尽其所能保护他们,但你无法拯救他们。

    显然,这对年轻人来说没什么大不了的,如果他们坚持冒着患 2-3 周病的风险,即使对一些 30 岁的人来说也是相当不愉快的,并且在每次国际航班的 3 天内接受测试,那么他们就会离开被允许这样做,他们最终会给自己带来不便,所以🤷。

    (3) 电晕可能会发生的事情是,它会成为一种地方病,不断演变出新的变种,季节性——所以,“就像流感一样”,但致命性要高出 10 倍左右。 就像流感一样,会有疫苗会定期更新以考虑到新的变种。 现在感染流感通常没什么大不了的,即使对于非常年长的人(他们的死亡率为 1%),但感染新冠病毒对他们来说危险得多。 因此,与目前每年接种流感疫苗的人数相比,每年接种冠状病毒疫苗的人数可能会更多。 那些不这样做的人平均会提前 5-10 年死去。 从大局来看没什么大不了的,有人抽烟有人酗酒,毕竟对预期寿命的影响可能是相似的。 再说🤷。

  31. BlackFlag 说:
    @GazaPlanet

    好吧,殡葬业会注意到收入激增。 精算师和人寿保险公司也会注意到。 顺便说一句,似乎查看精算师数字的变化将是获得不受政治偏见污染的数据的好方法。

    可能我们可以预测未来几年的死亡人数会比正常情况少,因为许多弱势群体已经死亡。 据此,您可以计算因 COVID 死亡而损失的平均生命年数。

    另一个应该计算的非常有趣的数字是疫苗接种成为阳性 EV 的年龄。 我假设它对一个 5 岁的孩子来说是阴性的。 难道没有我们可以信任的数学家来处理这些数字吗?

    • 回复: @GazaPlanet
  32. BlackFlag 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    那些不这样做的人平均会提前 5-10 年死去。 从大局来看没什么大不了的,有人抽烟有人酗酒,毕竟对预期寿命的影响可能是相似的。 再说🤷。

    严格来说,这对他们来说会更好,因为人们活得太久,除了消耗他们设法节省的所有资源而不是将其传给他们的继承人之外什么都不做。 因此,如果反vaxxers比平均水平更愚蠢,那么效果将是畸形的。

  33. 流感每年都会来,通常是好几次。 一直都是这样。 每次爆发都略有不同。 弱者和老人有时会因此而死亡。

    似乎在任何地方都没有太多的普遍超额死亡。 如果周围有一种致命的病毒,人们会预料到会出现明显的峰值。 这次大流行主要是心理问题。 接种流感疫苗是一个失败的提议。 变异太快了。 没有真正的保护。

    众所周知,人类因恐惧而彼此发疯。

    • 同意: Rich
  34. Dmitry 说:
    @g2k

    鲍里斯·约翰逊 (Boris Johnson) 是这场大流行病的无能领导者——英国薄弱且迟到的封锁、旅行限制不足以及将冠状病毒患者释放到养老院,已导致数万人死亡。

    约翰逊没有足够的洞察力来预测封锁*的微小和暂时的经济影响,而且在最初的几个月里,他似乎也对“群体免疫”的误解概念感到困惑。

    但是,与俄罗斯相比,英国对大流行的管理是称职和成功的。 在俄罗斯,如果死亡人数过多是一个指标,那么已经有大约 550,000 人死于冠状病毒。 医疗统计数据缺乏透明度。 而且我不知道为什么人们会试图为当局对疫苗接种率缓慢(我在 XNUMX 月曾发布过)的指责开脱,或者为此指责公民,好像疫苗接种不是国家能力的一部分。

    * 随着封锁的停止,经济迅速繁荣。 换句话说,消费只是被封锁暂时推迟了几个月(我在 2020 年 XNUMX 月写道 https://www.unz.com/akarlin/accelerated-sinotriumph/#comment-3808161 ),没有任何严重的经济影响——尽管政府的财政状况受到了侵蚀。

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Passer by
  35. Beckow 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    我关注了你关于冠状病毒和疫苗接种的文章,你总体上是一个温和的人。 但温和的方法导致了死胡同:要么用未经测试的疫苗(主要是 mRNA)为数百万人接种疫苗,要么半永久性地限制社会。 这些是您支持的严厉补救措施。 问题是 我们试图解决什么问题? 如果你喜欢激烈的补救措施—— 接种疫苗! 要不然 – 您必须将电晕视为一个非常严重的问题。 这个单词 灾难 是我的——我不相信你用过它,我也没说你用过。 但是,如果您不将日冕视为灾难,那么您的观点就毫无意义。

    现实情况是,电晕并不是一场灾难。 你迟早区分了老年人和年轻人的情况——这是一个关键点,所以抛出“只有 10% 接种疫苗”或欧盟为 22% 之类的数字会产生误导。 90% 未接种疫苗的人中,大多数都不是老年人。 我普遍同意老年人应该接种疫苗,但对年轻人来说没有意义。

    ……与目前每年接种流感疫苗的人数相比,每年接种新冠疫苗的人数可能更多。 不这样做的人只会提前5-10年死去

    这既错误又相当轻率。 数据中没有任何内容表明未接种疫苗的老年人会提前 5-10 年死亡——80 岁以上的死亡率为 4-5%。 您还忽略了任何疫苗接种的副作用。 一种未经测试的疫苗可能会有它们,有些甚至在主流媒体中也被广泛报道(年轻人的心肌炎症、血栓症等……)。 昨天奥地利表示,他们已经解决了 14 例疫苗接种副作用的案例——没有公布任何细节。 鉴于向政府证明任何事情都需要很长时间,而且奥地利的疫苗接种还处于早期阶段,这预示着即将到来的事情。 你不能断言你知道“它们是安全的”——即使是制药公司也没有走那么远。 鉴于它是风险对风险,它应该取决于每个人。

    现在是金钱问题:您能否明确说明您是赞成给年轻人还是儿童接种疫苗? 我们都同意老年人,但其他人呢?

    • 谢谢: RadicalCenter
    • 回复: @BlackFlag
    , @Sinotibetan
  36. @Dmitry

    公民绝对应该为此受到指责。 (嗯,在某种程度上,如果他们特别是 60 岁以上的人想用自己的生命玩俄罗斯轮盘赌,那是他们的选择)。 正如我所提到的,几个月以来一直可以接种疫苗——直到诊所打电话给老年人催促他们预约。 您可以直接步行到 GUM 或莫斯科数十个购物中心和公园中的任何一个,并在抵达时接种疫苗,无需排队或排队最少,甚至可以免费获得冰淇淋。 在某种程度上,俄罗斯政府可能会犯错,这是因为支持疫苗接种的宣传活动不够积极。 再说一次,也许这样的宣传活动会使反vaxxing sovoks陷入更极端的歇斯底里。

    值得称赞的是,在第一次封锁之后,俄罗斯政府没有用封锁来打扰人们。 我的立场一直是,如果你从根本上对遏制新冠病毒不认真,而且如果你的人口甚至对接种疫苗都不感兴趣,那么你就不应该干涉人们的生活、政府财政和 GDP。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  37. Dmitry 说:
    @g2k

    非歇斯底里 30%

    充分佩戴口罩(尤其是 ffp2 或 ffp3)并遵循室内空间通风等抗疫指导方针,本可以挽救世界上数百万人的生命,挽救数百万小时的疾病,减少对封锁的需要,也减少对疫苗。

    非歇斯底里 30%

    负责任的行为甚至封锁(由于许多人的不负责任行为,在更大程度上需要这样做),对于大多数公民来说,也不是很不方便。

    所以你必须在家看电影,而不是电影院。 或者去外卖而不是在餐厅吃饭。 或者与 3 个朋友见面,而不是 6 个。或者与您的孩子在家共度时光。

    在大流行期间,任何人(不包括拥有自身经济利益的小企业主)都在抱怨这一点,在这种大流行中,风险尚不完全清楚,而且早晚会更容易解决,这表明第一世界的许多公民是多么被宠坏国家已成为。

    我们看到了史无前例的奢华和舒适水平对动物的影响,动物的设计目的是,而且在其历史的大部分时间里,都不是生活在 21 世纪发达国家的普通人日常生活中所体验到的便利的千分之一。 在心理上,很多人并不适应他们一生所经历的舒适和奢华的程度,结果是人们去商店时抱怨戴口罩。

    • 回复: @Coconuts
  38. Dmitry 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    已经接种疫苗数月了

    正如预测的那样,生产也很缓慢。 到 33 月中旬,俄罗斯仅生产了 XNUMX 万剂疫苗。

    这比我们在一月份所知道的要慢一些。 https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-136/#comment-4423050

    在某种程度上,俄罗斯政府可能会犯错,这是因为支持疫苗接种的宣传不够积极

    如果到上个月俄罗斯只生产了 33 万剂疫苗,那么最多可能有 22% 的疫苗接种。 虽然它正确地只针对 60 岁以上的人(并结合有关强制接种的法律,以及不向外国发送任何疫苗),但这样的疫苗生产量足以结束绝大多数死亡。

    因不因封锁而打扰人们而受到赞扬

    我没有看到这个。

    当局今年看到的最严重的无能之一可能是疫苗推出期间的早期和严格封锁不够充分。

    这个错误在那些因有效的疫苗推广而产生错误信心的国家很容易看到——例如,我们今年早些时候在以色列和匈牙利看到了这一点。

    在匈牙利和以色列等国家,死亡人数最多的是疫苗推出期间。 更早和更严格的封锁不仅会导致这些国家因第三波冠状病毒而死亡的人数减少数千人,而且会更快地恢复正常生活。

    匈牙利本月终于恢复了正常生活,比今年年初实施更早、更严格的封锁要晚得多(而且死亡人数要多得多),当时他们正在开始以其他方式有效地推出疫苗。

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @utu
  39. utu 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “俄罗斯的根本问题(如上所述)不是缺乏疫苗” - 你确定吗? 如果 10-15% 的疫苗接种率反映了可用的疫苗供应,并解释了为什么俄罗斯没有启动会增加对疫苗的需求的更激烈的疫苗接种运动,那会怎样? 克里姆林宫是否有可能宁愿将疫苗卖到国外以获得硬通货和良好的公关,而不是让俄罗斯人接种疫苗?

    墨西哥援引俄罗斯人造卫星疫苗生产问题(11年2021月XNUMX日)
    https://apnews.com/article/europe-russia-mexico-coronavirus-pandemic-coronavirus-vaccine-cd83a5850f8384fbb364890ef583e5f0

    墨西哥官员周一表示:“俄罗斯当局在生产第二剂人造卫星 V 冠状病毒疫苗时遇到了很多问题,以至于俄罗斯可能无法向已经接种第一剂疫苗的人提供足够的疫苗。”

    一些国家生产(将生产)人造卫星五号:

    Sputnik V 疫苗在印度开始生产; 每年生产 100 亿剂(27 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/covid-19-sputnik-v-production-starts-in-india-100-million-doses-to-be-produced-annually/articleshow/82910177.cms?from=mdr

    塞尔维亚和阿根廷开始生产俄罗斯的人造卫星 V 疫苗(4 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/serbia-argentina-start-producing-russias-sputnik-v-vaccine-2021-06-04/

    俄罗斯期待中国帮助生产其 Sputnik V COVID-19 疫苗(3 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russia-looks-to-china-to-help-produce-its-sputnik-v-covid-19-vaccine-01620023486

    克里姆林宫发言人德米特里·佩斯科夫 (Dmitry Peskov) 表示,对 Sputnik V 的需求大大超过了俄罗斯的国内生产能力。

    • 回复: @utu
  40. Passer by 说:
    @Dmitry

    随着封锁的停止,经济迅速繁荣。 换句话说,消费只是被封锁暂时推迟了几个月

    哈哈,不。 停止封锁后,不会立即出现经济繁荣。

    它看起来像一个大尖刺,但这只是因为它的底部非常低,在洞的深处。

    相反,要到 2019 年才能实现 2022 年经济水平(在欧盟或英国)的长期追赶。

    在俄罗斯,经济将在 2021 年秋季迎头赶上。美国也是如此,尽管有 5 万亿美元的危机刺激计划。 否则美国将面临大萧条。

    总体而言,全球经济因新冠大流行而损失了 2 年,而且与大流行之前相比,它增加了更多的债务。

    还有长期的疤痕效应——由于长期的健康问题、TFR 下降、儿童不上学降低了劳动力质量、债务增加抑制了经济增长等。

    https://www.oecd.org/education/The-economic-impacts-of-coronavirus-covid-19-learning-losses.pdf

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  41. utu 说:
    @utu

    COVID-19 疫苗:这就是俄罗斯努力制造 Sputnik V 剂量的原因(14 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/pharma/covid-19-vaccine-here-why-russia-is-struggling-to-make-sputnik-v-doses/story/439057.html

    俄罗斯总统普京在全球大肆宣传疫苗,并在700月份表示,俄罗斯已经签署了在国外生产XNUMX亿剂人造卫星五号疫苗的协议。 但 根据路透社的统计,截至 33 月 12 日,俄罗斯仅生产了 15 万支疫苗,出口不到 XNUMX 万支,将每种疫苗计为两剂。

    如果这些数字属实,那么俄罗斯的疫苗接种率就等于可用的疫苗供应量。 如果不出口疫苗,最多可以增加两倍。 所以俄罗斯最好的疫苗接种率可能是20%。 所以我不认为怀疑论者和反疫苗者对俄罗斯的疫苗接种率有任何影响。 虽然反疫苗主义者和其他新蒙昧主义者的主题总是很有趣,因为卡林对这些现象的关注掩盖了俄罗斯在公关上成功使用人造卫星 V 疫苗与俄罗斯无法生产疫苗之间的差异。

    • 回复: @Demografie
    , @melanf
  42. @Triteleia Laxa

    不,无耻的不诚实是假装这种病毒特别危险并且这些疫苗是必要的(更不用说它们的安全性或有效性了)。

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
  43. 我讨厌接种疫苗,但仍然有正式义务在地铁和其他公共室内场所戴口罩

    LMAO

    沸腾

    • 回复: @utu
  44. @michael droy

    90% 的效力意味着接种疫苗的人中有 10% 仍然易受伤害。

    Western Corona Chan“疫苗”(pFizer、Moderna、Astrazeneca、Johnson & Johnson)的功效声称基本上是无稽之谈,或者更严格地说,是无关紧要的指标,以使公众相信这些“疫苗”比实际更有效是。 大多数人仍然没有理解这样一个事实,即使是美国疾病预防控制中心和“疫苗”制造商自己也公开承认他们的“疫苗”既不能阻止人们感染或传播冠状病毒。

    [更多]

    这是最近在德克萨斯州举行的讲座会议(2021 年事件)的一段相当长的视频,其中理查德·弗莱明博士详细介绍了如何计算西方冠状病毒“疫苗”的(相对)“功效”数字,并指出这些实验的实际(绝对)“功效”下降了约 1%。

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    Richard Fleming 博士 – Event 2021 Corona Chan 信息会议(视频 – 4 小时 30 分钟)

    (https://thehighwire.com/videos/live-from-event-2021-in-dallas-tx/ ]
    (https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1622927384709.mp4 ]

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    我不知道如何计算俄罗斯人造卫星 V 疫苗的功效数据,但我怀疑使用了相同的方法(在全球竞争市场中将苹果与苹果进行比较)。

    请允许我在此声明,与西方疫苗不同的是,人造卫星 V 疫苗是一种疫苗(不像西方“疫苗”那样是一种伪装的生物武器),如果迫不得已而我被迫注射人造卫星 V 疫苗对我来说将是唯一的选择(可悲的是,在澳大利亚的极端情况下不太可能)。 到目前为止,我还没有看到在 60 多个国家/地区批准使用人造卫星 V 疫苗的任何不良事件报告。 相比之下,西方的 Corona Chan“疫苗”杀死的人比 Corona Chan 多得多——

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    疫苗比Corona Chan更危险

    (https://anti-empire.com/norways-health-authority-says-further-use-of-astrazeneca-riskier-than-covid-recommends-pulling-vaccine-permanently/ ]

    (https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/the-israeli-people-committees-april-report-on-the-lethal-impact-of-vaccinations/ ]

    (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers ]

    (https://freenations.net/record-vaccine-deaths-risk-greater-than-covid-governments-manipulate-data-illegal-tracking-of-vaccinated-illegal-propaganda-covid-fascists-revealed/ ]

    (https://www.bitchute.com/video/bSxEe9RS0P29/ ]
    (https://seed163.bitchute.com/2dPYYSnBMwXp/bSxEe9RS0P29.mp4 ]

    (https://truthcomestolight.com/covid-vaccines-dr-sherri-tenpenny-describes-the-many-mechanisms-of-injury-this-is-a-very-well-designed-killing-machine/ ]

    (https://www.bitchute.com/video/fhhNpDM9Ahwf/ ]

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    IMO Sputnik V 疫苗是对世界的天赐之物,它在通往世界经济论坛经济破坏和人口减少的大重置议程的道路上拯救了数百万人免于注射西方“疫苗”。

    以下是诺贝尔奖获得者吕克·蒙塔尼耶 (Luc Montagnier) 对西方冠状病毒“疫苗”的评论——

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    以下是 Peter McCullough 博士对 Western Corona Chan“疫苗”的评论——

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    Peter McCullough 博士就 Corona Chan“疫苗”发表讲话

    短版(16 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    完整版(1 小时 45 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf31sl/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

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    说了这么多,并且非常尊重俄罗斯对世界安全疫苗的宝贵贡献,我个人不会同意注射任何疫苗(绝对不是西方“疫苗”)仅仅因为(正如美国疾控中心透露的那样)自己公布的数字)冠状病毒是一种相对无害的病毒,不比典型的流感病毒严重,任何中年或以下健康状况良好的人基本上都对这种病毒免疫。 此外,即使对于那些因健康状况不佳和免疫系统较弱而处于危险之中的人,各种廉价且安全的营养和药物疗法已被重点证明对治愈冠状病毒非常有效。

    特别是伊维菌素被证明是一种几乎可以治愈 Corona Chan 的神奇药物,但这种廉价的仿制药已在大多数西方国家有效地被禁止,以及几乎所有其他已知的 Corona Chan 药物,为普遍注射这种药物扫清了道路Corona Chan“疫苗”。 已有大量信息证实伊维菌素在治疗冠状病毒方面的有效性,墨西哥城和印度各州的冠状病毒住院和死亡人数的大幅减少证实了这一点——

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    (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/06/ira-katz/ivermectin-covid-19-and-why-it-could-be-miraculous/ ]

    (https://youtu.be/pQiv8I9Peqk?t=2818 ]

    (https://www.onedaymd.com/2021/04/ivermectin-flccc-protocol-for-covid-19.html ]

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    从令人毛骨悚然的比尔和克劳斯叔叔的全球主义运动包围的西方人的角度来看,他们强迫地球上的每个人都被伪装的优生生物武器注射,我恭敬地建议俄罗斯人不必担心Corona Chan,只要他们能做到除了实验性的{“疫苗”外,对 Corona Chan 的任何医疗选择进行全面审查和压制,以了解令人难以置信的侵略性和普遍存在的西方 Corona Chan“大流行”宣传。

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  45. Rahan 说:
    @SafeNow

    在俄罗斯,用语是否指定手臂?

  46. 卡林先生,为什么关于这个话题的另一篇文章只是针对那些还没有决定开枪的人的侮辱?

    尽管如此,处于电晕人口风险组中与因州分配失败而无法获得疫苗而死亡与因以下原因死亡之间显然存在差异 你太懒惰、多疑,和/或你的大脑被阴谋论摧毁而无法接种疫苗. 这些人的固执使生活变得比实际情况更不舒服(例如,我讨厌接种疫苗,但仍然有正式义务在地铁和其他公共室内场所戴口罩)。 但关键是,就他们现在死于电晕而言,现在是通过他们自己有意识的选择——也就是说,现在 与其说是悲剧,不如说是达尔文奖. 如果一个人是愤世嫉俗的人,甚至可以向他们致敬 不知情 为俄罗斯的预算和养老金制度做出牺牲。

    你现在可以用贬低你的智力低下者来安慰自己,但只有时间会证明谁做出了正确的决定。

  47. 几个月来,俄罗斯国家电视台将冠状病毒视为一个外国问题。 他们的首要任务是保护普京的支持率。 民众中绝对没有足够的恐惧——俄罗斯人根本不明白为什么他们需要接种疫苗。

    • 回复: @melanf
  48. 疫苗接种率仍然很低的核心原因现在显然是由以下事实主导的:后苏联环境是世界上意识形态上最反疫苗的环境之一……

    对国家机构(后苏联、香港、美国许多地区)的低信任度与高水平的 antivaxx 情绪相关,因为当前的 COVID 疫苗接种活动主要是国家和全球主义的努力(提示合同追踪应用程序和疫苗护照),以及很多医疗机构被视为政治目标。 这和你的世界经济论坛“阴谋论”。 此外,COVID 具有高度传染性,但不足以证明进行全面的疫苗接种活动是合理的(在这方面,更像是每年爆发的流感,而不是儿童获得的一种疫苗),而且大部分病例数数据都因松散的 PCR 测试而受到损害。 俄罗斯10%的覆盖率和美国50%的覆盖率已经是惊人的成就。

    普京可以采用施瓦布喜欢的方式,强制要求疫苗护照来获得日常需求和服务,但这会立即削弱他的支持,卢卡申科会嘲笑他,无论如何也不会做很多事情(因为俄罗斯人有过短缺经济和非正式经济的经验)市场,他们可以回到它)。 我们将看到全球非正规经济的诞生,与疫苗执法者关上的大门相反。

    我对这些再怎么强调都不为过,而且我已经对所有这些 COVID 疫苗废话感到厌烦了——这就是为什么我直到现在才在这里发表评论,除了回复此评论外,我不会回复此线程上的任何内容。

  49. jsinton 说:

    有人问一个阿米什人为什么阿米什人没有感染新冠病毒。 他的回答? “因为我们没有电视”。

    • 哈哈: Blinky Bill
  50. utu 说:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    其原因有两个: 最初使用基于症状的诊断确定 90-95% 的疫苗效力。 无症状接种疫苗的病毒传播者的可能性可能是真实的。 第二个原因是掩蔽执法。 区分不戴口罩接种疫苗和不戴口罩的白痴太复杂了。

  51. thotmonger 说:
    @Passer by

    在获得长期安全性的证据之前,我很高兴有一些可以作为控制的坚持。 达尔文奖可能会颁给那些再次相信大型制药公司的人。

    ps 怎么有人敢说贪婪可能是为行走在上帝的绿色地球上的每个人(呃生物)接种疫苗的主要动机? 我不知道。 万络。 奥施康定。 人造黄油,“健康的替代品”……

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2123879/thai-company-to-import-worlds-first-pet-vaccine

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
  52. Demografie 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    正常人知道该怎么做。 接种疫苗似乎是最好的选择,所以人们会去做。
    真的,没什么好争论的。 如果你没有接种疫苗。 嗯,这很遗憾。 我不在乎这一点。 有趣的是,反 vaxx 的人更多地谈论疫苗。 我所有接种疫苗的家人都继续生活。
    此外,没有太多可讨论的。 对于某些人来说,Covid-19 从医疗保健问题转变为宗教问题。

  53. utu 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    我记得,正是 Daily Stormer 类型的右翼分子和“groypers”在咆哮着电晕将如何在 2020 年 2020 月杀死所有人,然后做了一个大脸并声称这是 XNUMX 月至 XNUMX 月左右的“骗局” XNUMX。

    Ron Unz'z(27 年 2020 月 XNUMX 日)对 Anglin 的看法:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/lifting-the-lockdown-easy-does-it/?showcomments#comment-3863472

    我记得XNUMX月份左右,安吉林(Anglin)自由地说,由于特朗普的无能,整个事件将在美国造成彻底的灾难,许多人会丧生。 我认为他甚至对特朗普人民如此轻易地将指责推卸给中国一事感到非常震惊,尽管这绝对没有道理。

    因此,我怀疑他意识到“中国生物武器”的故事在(脆弱的)右翼激进分子中根深蒂固,以至于当这个话题在美国真正成为热点时,它很容易就被更可信的信息所取代。 然后他决定发动一次聪明的侧翼攻击,并专注于“这就是流感!!!” 胡说八道,这也一直在边缘圈子中徘徊。

    根据某人链接的ZeroHedge文章的评论,它似乎运行良好。 ZeroHedge的“中国生物武器”人员显然完全被“这就是流感!”淹没了。 人们。 毕竟,如果只是流感! 谁能怪中国呢?

    一个utu的采取:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jared-kushner-strategy-obviously-backfired/?showcomments#comment-4276710

    我的推理是基于崔博诺的立场。 我真的不知道从哪里“这只是流感!!” 模因传播和谁先播种但如果你是对的,安格林在其中发挥了重要作用,而他的目标,正如你所假设的,是破坏“中国生物武器”模因,那么他做了任何中国影响力代理人应该/应该做的事情完毕。 如果安格林是第一块帮助杀死两只鸟的石头:(1)破坏“中国生物武器”模因和(2)导致美国对病毒的不稳定反应,这将大大削弱美国对中国的影响,那么中国应该即使他的驱动力只是表演艺术家的恶意和滑稽动作,也要给他一枚奖牌。

    我不认为我们的投机行为有太大不同,只是我接受恶意在中国行动中发挥作用的可能性。 也许是因为我更愤世嫉俗或不那么理想主义,中国人的心灵纯洁不高于希望我们生病,也不高于按照愿望行事。

    • 同意: AP
    • 谢谢: Anatoly Karlin
  54. Demografie 说:
    @utu

    伙计,推特上有一些人在俄罗斯空荡荡的疫苗接种站漫游的视频。 与像您这样的人争论 covid-19 毫无意义。

  55. melanf 说:
    @utu

    卡林对它们的关注有助于掩盖俄罗斯在 Sputnik V 疫苗的公关成功与俄罗斯无法生产疫苗之间的差异。

    我完全可以证实卡林所说的话。 在许多个月里,人们可以毫无问题地接种 Sputnic 疫苗——在综合诊所、购物中心、野外疫苗接种点、工作场所等。在一些地区(以及许多企业),接种疫苗的人会收到钱

    所以我不认为怀疑论者和反疫苗者对俄罗斯的疫苗接种率有任何影响。

    就俄罗斯而言,他们是决定性因素。 如果他们不在那里,与生产量相关的限制将开始适用,但在目前的现实中,疫苗数量比想要接种的人多

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin, AP, mal
    • 回复: @utu
  56. melanf 说:
    @Felix Keverich

    几个月来,俄罗斯国家电视台将冠状病毒视为一个外国问题。 …… 民众中绝对没有足够的恐惧——俄罗斯人根本不明白为什么他们需要接种疫苗。

    这不是真的。 除了国家在电视上的宣传外,在 2020 年春季和初夏,当局每天通过扩音器多次播放 Covid 是一种致命的危险,必须采取预防措施。 俄罗斯白色垃圾的主要论点之一——“我不相信冠状病毒,因为它一直被官方媒体宣传”

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin
  57. utu 说:
    @Dmitry

    以色列、匈牙利和俄罗斯的死亡人数/百万人分别为 689、3,102 和 858。 然而,俄罗斯被严重低估了。 根据 Karlinsky 和 ​​Kobak 的说法,可能是 6.7 倍:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.27.21250604v1.full.pdf

    我认为匈牙利就像捷克和波兰一样,早在他们有获得疫苗的前景之前就将其吹灭。 有一个问题是他们是否真的搞砸了,还是故意假装无能来效仿瑞典的决定,在他们的情况下并没有付出太多努力。 我想知道他们是否意识到,根据他们的社会经济状况和人口密度,瑞典每百万人死亡 1,430 人的结果会成倍增加。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  58. @utu

    你误会了,我是在嘲笑那个还必须戴上他的cuckmuzzle的吸毒面具,并且对此不高兴。 “没什么大不了的,伙计们,穿一件就行了! 我可以好好呼吸了!”

    显然,您不会分享这种笑声。 我希望你也喜欢忍受可笑的电晕剧院的全副武装,尽管尽你的一份力量帮助大型制药公司收回他们投入 mRNA 月饼的钱。

    请记住:所有这些都是不必要的; 如果像你这样的人早点醒悟,这一切都可以避免; 除非你这样做,否则它永远不会结束; 直到那个时候,你失去了抱怨不得不戴口罩的权利。

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  59. @Demografie

    俄罗斯空无一人的疫苗接种站

    以及世界上所有其他国家

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  60. GazaPlanet 说:
    @BlackFlag

    我们不能相信这些人。 可能有更高的死亡率,但这是由更高水平的安乐死以及与关闭和延迟医疗相关的其他原因造成的。

  61. Coconuts 说:
    @Dmitry

    我们看到了史无前例的奢华和舒适水平对动物的影响,动物的设计目的是,而且在其历史的大部分时间里,都不是生活在 21 世纪发达国家的普通人日常生活中所体验到的便利的千分之一。 在心理上,很多人并不适应他们一生所经历的舒适和奢华的程度,结果是人们去商店时抱怨戴口罩。

    可能这是对可以看到的一些反锁定感觉的一种解释。 这可能是一种关于尝试创建无风险环境的危险的进化直觉,特别是当它看起来是为了团队中非常老的成员的利益而做的时候,这也可能以牺牲孩子的出生。

  62. reiner Tor 说:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    大型制药公司并没有赚很多钱,这从它们低迷的股市表现中可以看出。

    但有趣的是,你相信这种直接从实验室出来的人工增强嵌合病毒,而不是疫苗,它实际上只是做了病毒本身所做的一小部分。

  63. 俄罗斯研制的世界上最有效的疫苗之一——人造卫星五号,其有效率超过90%……

    是的,这就是他们报告的相对风险降低 (RRR),但您知道其绝对风险降低 (ARR) 吗?

    对于西方首选的 vaxx,RRR 大多报告为 >90%,但对于所有这些,ARR 都小于 1%。

    卫生专业人员和公众对临床试验数据评估中的相对风险降低和绝对风险降低措施知之甚少。 COVID-19 疫苗临床试验中未报告绝对风险降低可能导致结果报告偏倚,从而影响对疫苗效力的解释。 本文使用临床流行病学工具严格评估 Pfzier/BioNTech 和 Moderna COVID-19 mRNA 疫苗临床试验的疗效报告。 根据 Pfzier/BioNTech 疫苗 BNT162b2 制造商报告的数据,该严格评估显示:相对风险降低,95.1%; 95% CI,90.0% 至 97.6%; p = 0.016; 绝对风险降低,0.7%; 95% CI,0.59% 至 0.83%; p < 0.000。 对于Moderna疫苗mRNA-1273,评估显示:相对风险降低,94.1%; 95% CI,89.1% 到 96.8%; p = 0.004; 绝对风险降低,1.1%; 95% CI,0.97% 到 1.32%; p < 0.000。 Pfzier/BioNTech 和 Moderna 疫苗未报告的绝对风险降低措施分别为 0.7% 和 1.1%,远低于报告的相对风险降低措施。 报告绝对风险降低措施对于防止评估 COVID-19 疫苗效力的结果报告偏倚至关重要。

    来源: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7996517/pdf/medicina-57-00199.pdf

    多做一点研究,你会发现所有的 vaxxes 已经有数万人死亡,甚至在几周内报告了更多的非致命性严重不良事件,在大多数情况下,这些事件被认为仅仅是“与最近的疫苗接种相吻合(与 COVID19 报告相反,其中 COVID19 与阳性测试后 28 天内的任何死亡有关)。 作为所有 vaxxes 基础的刺突蛋白本身是病理性的,会导致凝血、心肌炎和其他“专家”声称不太可能的影响,但因为刺突确实进入了血液中造成了严重破坏。

    人造卫星的不良事件历史是什么? 我希望它比其他 vaxxes 的更好。

    • 同意: Ultrafart the Brave
    • 回复: @Dreadilk
  64. utu 说:
    @melanf

    当90%的供应被公众购买,剩下的10%出口,还有一些还在货架上徘徊时,我可以相信已经达到供需平衡。 俄罗斯生产的 50 吨黑鱼子酱就是这种情况。 然而,如果克里姆林宫决定花钱做广告宣传鱼子酱对你有好处,吃鱼子酱是每个俄罗斯人的爱国义务,那么鱼子酱就会短缺,人们会排队等候。 克里姆林宫发起“吃黑鱼子酱”活动是没有意义的,因为几乎所有生产的鱼子酱都已经被消费掉了。

    如果所有生产的疫苗都已经使用,克里姆林宫进行密集的疫苗接种活动是否有意义? 不。这就是为什么没有疫苗生产线的原因,因为提高需求没有意义。 如果降低需求符合克里姆林宫的利益,因为克里姆林宫出于政治原因优先考虑出口。 俄罗斯反疫苗者和一边眨眼一边责怪他们的卡林正在与克里姆林宫携手合作,帮助克里姆林宫掩盖俄罗斯疫苗生产能力低得可怜的事实,以及克里姆林宫通过出口近 50% 的疫苗来冷嘲热讽地将外国人置于俄罗斯人之上的事实疫苗。

    俄罗斯在短缺问题后向圣彼得堡运送人造卫星 V 疫苗(19 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-sho/russia-delivers-sputnik-v-vaccine-to-st-petersburg-after-shortage-problems-idUSKBN2BB1QX

    从那以后,除莫斯科以外的几个俄罗斯地区都报告了疫苗短缺,一些俄罗斯人对俄罗斯向国外运送疫苗表示失望,认为应该在国内提供更多疫苗。

    当地卫生委员会发言人奥尔加·里亚比尼娜 (Olga Ryabinina) 表示,在俄罗斯第二大城市圣彼得堡,大约 30 个疫苗接种点中有 120 多个缺乏二次注射疫苗的第一种成分。

    • 巨魔: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @melanf
    , @melanf
  65. melanf 说:
    @utu

    俄罗斯在短缺问题后向圣彼得堡运送人造卫星五号疫苗(19月XNUMX日,

    所以是XNUMX月份,问题是相对的(疫苗接种点数量暂时减少)。 但这种情况在一周后得到纠正。 现在在圣彼得堡有大量的疫苗接种机会——甚至有夜间工作的疫苗接种点(显然是为了给吸血鬼接种疫苗)

  66. @Ultrafart the Brave

    有趣的是,一张描述诺贝尔奖得主 Luc Montagnier 对西方 Corona Chan“疫苗”的看法的图片已被删除。 Luc Montagnier 对“疫苗”的强烈反对与卡林先生的明显支持相比并没有很好地说明这一点。

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  67. melanf 说:
    @The Big Red Scary

    我以老式的方式获得了 COVID,但无论如何我都在考虑接种疫苗,我的选择是 Sputnik 或 EpiVacCorona。

    然后接种 Sputnik V. EpiVacCorona 根据公布的数据是一种极其无效的疫苗

  68. melanf 说:
    @g2k

    如果 Sputnik 是俄罗斯的 AstraZeneca 和 EpiVac,类似于 Phizer/Modena,那么后者的副作用可能会更少或没有。

    人造卫星不是阿斯利康的类似物,而是 Covidence 和强生疫苗的组合。 在副作用和有效性方面,人造卫星大致对应于mRNA疫苗(从已知信息来看)。 EpiVacCorona 显然是一种无效的疫苗。

    没有副作用。

    这些疫苗有副作用

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  69. Pericles 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    我记得,正是 Daily Stormer 类型的右翼分子和“groypers”在咆哮着电晕将如何在 2020 年 2020 月杀死所有人,然后做了一个大脸并声称这是 XNUMX 月至 XNUMX 月左右的“骗局” XNUMX。

    来自中国的人们在街上摇晃和摔倒的颗粒感视频有点令人担忧。 可能是假的,但人们可能会想知道为什么。

    关于 le volte face,我们是否都像 2020 年 XNUMX 月的伟人告诉我们的那样拥抱了一个中国人? 在每个重要的人都得到供应之前,不需要口罩,然后是必需的。 群体免疫将拯救我们,然后就不可能有群体免疫了。 我想它会继续。

    我们至少还有三个需要考虑:口罩有效/无效、封锁有效/无效、封闭边界有效/无效(但移民 时刻 欢迎)。

    鉴于我们似乎甚至不清楚电晕是如何传播的,因此 vaxx 护照最终也将毫无用处的风险似乎相当大。

  70. Rich 说:
    @g wiltek

    如果真的有危险,如果人们看到其他人死亡或患重病,就没有理由进行大规模的宣传活动来推动这些基因治疗。 人们没有得到镜头,因为他们能够环顾四周,并且没有必要看到它。 “专家”错了。 他们错了没关系,一年半前,covid 还是一个未知的实体。 问题是,他们在虚假的叙述中投入了太多精力,承认他们夸大了新冠病毒的严重程度会伤害他们的自尊心。

  71. melanf 说:
    @utu

    当90%的供应被公众购买,剩下的10%出口,还有一些还在货架上徘徊时,我可以相信已经达到供需平衡。 俄罗斯生产的 50 吨黑鱼子酱就是这种情况。 然而,如果克里姆林宫决定花钱打广告宣传鱼子酱对你有好处,吃鱼子酱是每个俄罗斯人的爱国义务,那么鱼子酱就会短缺

    你听说过吃黑鱼子酱收钱的案例吗? 一些公司支付员工 10,000 卢布(约 130 美元)用于接种疫苗

    • 回复: @The Big Red Scary
    , @utu
  72. @SafeNow

    处方药瓶现在必须标明“口服”。

    提示憨豆先生试图像那样从架子上拿一些。

    • 哈哈: Greta Handel
  73. Rich 说:
    @Finnishguy78

    你们疯了吗? 患有这种疾病的人有 99.7% 的存活率。 只有非常年长的人和有严重合并症的人有死于该病毒的风险。 一年前,当我们没有所有的统计数据时,你的立场是有争议的。 现在我们知道这主要是炒作,你们能停下来承认自己错了吗? 为什么不?

    • 同意: LondonBob, AltanBakshi, Beckow
    • 不同意: Passer by
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Passer by
  74. RodW 说:
    @reiner Tor

    但有趣的是,你相信这种直接从实验室出来的人工增强嵌合病毒,而不是疫苗,它实际上只是做了病毒本身所做的一小部分。

    那里很好的错误二分法。 还裹着稻草人。

    • 不同意: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  75. utu 说:
    @Rich

    “患有这种疾病的人的存活率为 99.7%。” – IFR=0.3% 太低。 IFR=0.8% 到 1% 的早期估计对于具有欧洲医疗水平和年龄人口特征的国家来说似乎仍然有效。 如果 IFR 为 0.3%,匈牙利的感染率将超过 100%,捷克等国家的感染率将超过 94%。 而且,如果俄罗斯的统计数据确实被低估了大于 100 的系数,那么它的感染率也必须超过 3.5%。

    • 回复: @Finnishguy78
  76. @jimmyriddle

    我也会对 ak 对伊维菌素争议的看法感兴趣。 我有点惊讶地注意到,左翼自由主义赤裸裸的资本主义对这个主题的关注比任何 unz 的作者都要多,但话说回来,这些都是非常奇怪的时代。

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2021/05/i-dont-know-of-a-bigger-story-in-the-world-right-now-than-ivermectin-ny-times-best-selling-author.html

    • 回复: @jimmyriddle
  77. @reiner Tor

    “大型制药公司不赚钱”? 许多现成的来源相反:

    https://www.newsweek.com/big-pharma-companies-profits-industries-study-1490407

    你的意思是他们没有从政府和大企业雇主强制或胁迫的数十亿次疫苗注射中获得多少利润? 这种违反直觉的断言的依据是什么?

    你对这种病毒被邪恶政府有意使传染性和/或更致命的真实可能性提出了一个公平的观点,无论是“我们的”还是中国的或两者兼而有之。 但这有可能是真的,并且仍然得出结论,政府和公司系统地夸大了病毒的杀伤力,以恐吓人们放弃更多的自由和财产(并通过一系列必需的“疫苗”和年度加强注射进一步丰富大型制药公司)。

    • 回复: @AP
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  78. @melanf

    在副作用和有效性方面,人造卫星大致对应于mRNA疫苗(根据已知信息判断)。

    到目前为止,我还没有看到任何关于全球 60 多个国家使用的人造卫星 V 疫苗产生不良影响的报告。

    如果您可以访问任何此类报告,将这些信息提供给其他人进行调查会很有帮助。

    与此同时,pFizer 和 Moderna mRNA 似乎是所有 Corona Chan“疫苗”中最致命的,在最严重的不良事件和死亡人数方面超过了所有其他竞争者。

    (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers ]

    (https://www.bitchute.com/video/bSxEe9RS0P29/ ]

    FWIW,来自 pFizer 和 Moderna 的 mRNA “疫苗”似乎是不断给予的礼物,每周都会发现新的惊喜(pFizer 和 Moderna 未披露)。 以这颗宝石为例——

    Magnetofection – 故意插入 pFizer & Moderna mRNA“疫苗”中的磁性成分

    (https://www.bitchute.com/video/bHthoQmn3lFl/ ]
    (https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/r8wq75doLqKP/bHthoQmn3lFl.mp4 ]

    如果人们倾向于猜测,人们可能会想知道 Moderna 和 pFizer mRNA“疫苗”的这些未公开特征是如何与已经计划好的“加强注射”以及它们可能为我们准备的任何其他新惊喜相互作用的。

    • 回复: @melanf
  79. AP 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    您是否也认为强制性安全带和头盔法是生产这些产品的行业的阴谋,目的是为了以牺牲我们的自由为代价来充实自己?

  80. Mr. Hack 说:

    25 月中旬,坐在我旁边的一位年轻(<19 岁)健康的同事因 Covid-XNUMX 使身体虚弱而倒下,这使她一直待到 XNUMX 月初。 她经历了大部分症状,并告诉我这比她过去经历的任何流感都要严重。 她从未接种过疫苗,但现在希望她接种了。 伙计们,这还没有结束,尽管情况正在好转。

    • 谢谢: Blinky Bill
  81. melanf 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    到目前为止,我还没有看到任何关于全球 60 多个国家使用的人造卫星 V 疫苗的不良反应的报告。 如果您可以访问任何此类报告,将这些信息提供给其他人进行调查会很有帮助。

    阿根廷关于 3.4 万 SPUTNIK V 剂量影响的报告
    https://bancos.salud.gob.ar/sites/default/files/2021-05/2021-05-14-informe-11.pdf

    Sputnik V 疫苗在圣马力诺的副作用数据
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256509v1

    ” 分析证实,在 60 岁以上年龄组中,在针对 Sputnik V (Gam-COVID-Vac) 短期征求 AEFI 的两种剂量后,其耐受性良好。”

    • 谢谢: Ultrafart the Brave
  82. melanf 说:
    @reiner Tor

    如果你可以指定一个点。 第二张表(英文)和匈牙利文的表很一致?

    “匈牙利”表的来源在这里 https://www.facebook.com/kormanyzat/posts/5439413329464676

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  83. Passer by 说:
    @Rich

    你不会考虑长期的健康损害,不是吗? 它只是“死亡率”。 众所周知,Covid 会导致肺和脑损伤,我个人认识 30 至 60 岁范围内的几个人,他们在此之后开始出现记忆问题。

    • 同意: melanf, reiner Tor
    • 不同意: Rich
    • 回复: @joniel
    , @Rich
  84. Patricus 说:

    这些奇迹疫苗被归类为批准用于紧急使用的实验药物。 这是根据美国食品和药物管理局的说法。 FDA 被指责过度谨慎。 事实上,当批准速度更快时,数以千计的人死于各种药物和疫苗,因此需要多年的批准程序。 没有人喜欢这些长期批准,因为这大大增加了开发药物的成本。 另一方面,意外死亡更令人不快。 当 Covid-19 的死亡率几乎为零时,为什么健康的人会接种实验性“疫苗”? 80 岁以上的人和那些患有免疫系统疾病的人,接受实验性治疗是合理的。 生病和堕落的年轻人服用这些给孩子们是疯狂的。

  85. @utu

    不同的毒株也可能更致命,例如巴西毒株似乎比其他毒株更致命等。
    即使最初的新冠病毒毒株并没有那么致命,但那些日子早已一去不复返了。

    • 同意: Vishnugupta
    • 不同意: Rich
    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  86. @melanf

    在过去的几年里,我的雇主试图强迫我们接种正常的流感疫苗,但他强调说 Covid 疫苗是自愿的。 去搞清楚。

  87. Max Payne 说:

    死于电晕一直是可选的。

    我最终会在 3 到 5 年内接种 Covid 疫苗,即使我已经有了真正感染 Covid 的抗体。

    我曾在一家医院工作,并为我无法发音的事情接种了疫苗。 我不是反vaxxer。

    我只是不明白现在强迫每个人接受它的巨大推动力。 如果 5 年后那些接种疫苗的人都没事,我会很容易地抓住它。

    你知道…。 当 v1.3 发布并且所有主要的游戏破坏错误都消失了。 不是这个潜伏着内存泄漏的 Early Access 公开测试版。 看来我可以在没有疫苗的情况下存活下来(目前)。

    为什么人们不希望我有双赢的局面?

    不要因为我优越的基因而恨我。 甚至有人会说我高尚,因为我让步,让弱者可以先接种疫苗。

    • 回复: @Vishnugupta
  88. joniel 说:
    @Passer by

    反对疫苗的人现在抱怨疫苗产生的“尖峰蛋白”的危险。 首先,疫苗产生的“尖峰蛋白”不会在全身自由释放。 其次,当他们自然感染病毒时,他们认为会发生什么? 来自病毒感染的刺突蛋白在整个循环系统中自由移动,并对人们的器官造成巨大损害。 接种疫苗比用感染来治疗要好得多。

    • 不同意: RadicalCenter
  89. joniel 说:

    莫斯科顶级病毒医院的负责人表示,Covid-19 在 18 个月内发生了如此多的变异,以至于经过验证的治疗方法常常失败

    https://www.rt.com/russia/526313-covid-mutated-virus-treatment/

    是印度的变种吗? 还是新的俄罗斯变种? 这似乎比去年要致命得多。

    • 回复: @sudden death
  90. Joe Paluka 说:

    “并且因为你太懒惰、偏执和/或你的大脑被阴谋论摧毁而无法接种疫苗而死亡。”

    我认为这是相反的,作者吸收了太多的支持病毒的偏执。 我问他,世卫组织的专家和他们在各个西方国家的追随者告诉我们,数百万死在街上的人在哪里? 为什么政府和媒体在过去两个冬季完全无视正常的流感发病率? 我会告诉他为什么,所有“正常”的呼吸系统疾病统计数据都集中在一起以增加新冠病毒统计数据。 也许作者太年轻了,无法对前苏联政府发布的 BS 免疫,并看到西方各国政府针对 Covid 提出相同的 BS。

  91. @Max Payne

    这是一种实验室制造的病毒,随着时间的推移,它变得越来越致命,而不是越来越少。

    去年 50 月我也感染了新冠肺炎,对我来说这是一种非常轻微的流感,我公司去年感染的其他人(大约 XNUMX 名)也都康复了,没有出现严重的并发症。炒作/他们怎么能为了这个'营地而关闭这个国家。

    我今年早些时候在果阿度假。

    但是由于这种新变种导致的第二波是致命的。我认识的 5 个人身体健康,30 多岁(一个经常跑半程马拉松)在被诊断出患有 Covid 后几天内死亡。那些接种了阿斯利康疫苗全部存活,症状轻微,包括 60 岁以上和哮喘等严重并发症。

    我曾经也对疫苗不屑一顾,并不特别急于接种,但鉴于其效用的压倒性证据,我已经尝试了阿斯利康。

    • 谢谢: AP
    • 回复: @Max Payne
  92. E. Harding 说:

    为什么这个线程充满了antivaxxers?

    • 回复: @Svevlad
  93. @g wiltek

    “嗯,我会听你的身体的。” 就像这会告诉你你需要知道的一切(甚至任何事情),哈哈。

    • 同意: Vishnugupta
  94. Ximenes 说:
    @Beckow

    也许俄罗斯 90% 的人都是聪明人。 他们可能没有高智商,但有更高的生物。

    我想知道俄罗斯的反 vaxx 情绪有多少来自对苏联医疗系统的记忆,由于某种原因,它与今天的美国系统一样具有侵入性和专横性。

  95. reiner Tor 说:
    @melanf

    这是一个非常无用的表。 辉瑞和 Moderna 疫苗最初是为患有慢性疾病的老年人保留的。 患有合并症的年轻人通常会接种阿斯利康疫苗。 国药给健康的老人和年轻人。 人造卫星疫苗主要是为了适合年轻人。 死因也不清楚,似乎包括其他原因造成的死亡。

    更糟糕的是,辉瑞疫苗是在一月初(或十二月底)开始分发的,人造卫星只在二月份分发,大部分时间是三月和以后。 因此,那些拥有人造卫星的人被感染和死亡的时间更少。

    但它或许确实表明了一些东西:人造卫星五号可能不是毒药。

    • 回复: @melanf
  96. @RadicalCenter

    如果您投资了大型制药公司,那么您不仅会在投资加密货币或大型科技公司,甚至整个市场方面都蒙受损失。

    这使得关于疫苗是大型制药公司赚钱计划的理论难以相信。

  97. @Finnishguy78

    我还没有看到任何令人信服的证据表明较新的 Corona 菌株的毒性明显更强,而不仅仅是逐渐更具传染性。

    有这样的证据吗? 我欣赏轶事,但轶事 < 统计。 (也@Vishnugupta)。

    • 同意: utu, Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    , @Brás Cubas
    , @melanf
  98. utu 说:
    @melanf

    你不想明白我的意思。 卡林的文章是明目张胆的操纵,反映在其标题上: 在俄罗斯死于电晕长期以来一直是“可选的”. 俄罗斯没有足够的疫苗来覆盖那些需要它的人。 出于这个原因,克里姆林宫没有像它应该的那样宣传疫苗接种,因此它造成了供过于求的错误形象,相反,克里姆林宫祈祷更多的人成为反疫苗者。 然后像卡林这样的人可以写下一切都是笨拙的,同时指责不想接种疫苗的人的愚蠢。 如果那些需要它的人试图得到它,他们中的大多数人都会空手而归。 在俄罗斯,死亡不是可选的。

    我承认这个谎言构造得很巧妙。 就他们自己的人口而言,克里姆林宫非常擅长公关。 像卡林这样的人把它盛出来,而像你这样的人把它吃光。 但是,无论你如何伪装和包裹它,谎言都是谎言。 在苏联,他们也撒谎,但至少在疫苗接种方面,他们并没有默认宣扬蒙昧主义的反疫苗者立场,以欺骗人们有足够的疫苗。 这是非常愤世嫉俗和聪明的,我可以看到这种谎言正是卡林喜欢的。 但是这是有代价的:你最终会在你的国家有更多被误导的白痴,希望他们最终能看穿谎言,然后用他的球吊死卡林。

    • 巨魔: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  99. utu 说:
    @reiner Tor

    那些对两者之间的区别大肆宣扬的人 同死垂死的 病毒将接种疫苗后发生的所有死亡视为属于 垂死的 类别。

  100. AP 说:
    @utu

    如果俄罗斯的每个人都选择接种疫苗,似乎确实会出现短缺,但没有足够的人试图获得疫苗,因此任何想要获得它的人都没有问题。

    卡林一直在宣传疫苗,鼓励人们从一开始就接种疫苗,并发布了自己服用的信息。 他并没有愤世嫉俗地劝阻人们接种疫苗。 他实际上是如何以一种会在俄罗斯或其他地方促进反疫苗接种的方式撒谎的?

    • 回复: @utu
    , @reiner Tor
  101. @Anatoly Karlin

    这相当公平,但正如“定价”的概念所暗示的那样,估值​​并不总是准确地跟踪盈利能力,因此仅靠估值并不能回答疫苗对制药公司的盈利能力的问题。 无论如何,疫苗远不是他们唯一的利润来源,因此理论上完全可以杀死疫苗但同时其他产品线销售不佳。

  102. Mr. Hack 说:
    @utu

    [更多]

    都是为了宣传vaxing? 小心阿纳托利! 🙂

    • 哈哈: Sinotibetan
  103. Dmitry 说:
    @Passer by

    长期赶上欧盟或英国的 2019 年经济)

    那不是真的。 英国国内生产总值在上一个报告月份(2,7 月)增长了 3,7%,并且封锁并未结束,尽管英国退欧带来了负面影响。 因此,在 XNUMX 月份,它比大流行前的水平低 XNUMX%。

    今年夏天,当封锁将完全解除时,英国的 GDP 可能会重新达到大流行前的水平。 甚至有可能到七月底。 https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/uk-economy-gathered-momentum-in-april-as-gdp-rose-2-3-1.4590495

    因此,封锁只是暂时的,而且经常是同义反复地影响 GDP,恢复到大流行前的水平被认为是与全面解除封锁同时进行的。

    与大流行轨迹之前相比,债务更多。

    当然,与非大流行情况相比,政府的财务状况受到了显着削弱。 但是,如果不是允许政府在流行病等“糟糕时期”事件中有更多的回旋余地,那么政府在经济繁荣时期优先考虑“强大的财务状况”的理由是什么?

    这是政府本应做好准备的那种事件(上一次严重的流行病发生在 1919 年)。

    TFR 下降,

    如果锁定确实会导致任何下降(根本不清楚),那么它不会影响实际生育率。 TFR因其设计而上下波动,而实际生育率受到的影响要小得多,只有实际生育率(而非TFR)才会对未来人口规模产生影响。

    没有即时的经济繁荣

    目前在高科技投资等领域出现了疯狂的繁荣。 这看起来不是很理性,但肯定有繁荣,像“疯狂的钱”之类的东西。

    例如,以色列的初创公司今年已经在 10,5 个月内筹集了 5 亿美元。 这相当于去年的所有数据(而且去年已经创下了速度减半的记录)。 https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3909578,00.html

    类似的情况在印度(https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/startups/indian-startups-raised-7-8-billion-in-first-four-months-of-2021/articleshow/82889825.cms), 中国, 英国 (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/dec/29/uk-tech-firms-record-15bn-venture-capital-funding-unicorns-2020)等

  104. BlackFlag 说:
    @Beckow

    现在是金钱问题:您能否明确说明您是赞成给年轻人还是儿童接种疫苗? 我们都同意老年人,但其他人呢?

    许多国家将接种疫苗的年龄定为 12 岁。
    https://www.wionews.com/world/covid-19-countries-that-are-vaccinating-children-against-deadly-virus-389192

    在英格兰的第一波大流行期间,SARS-CoV-2 阳性儿童中有 19 人死亡,其中 10 人死于 COVID-15,其中 XNUMX 人是 XNUMX-XNUMX 岁患有严重潜在神经障碍的儿童。

    https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/01/04/archdischild-2020-321225
    在第一波疫情期间,英国只有 1 名健康儿童死于 COVID,我猜这导致大约 57 人死亡。

    • 回复: @Beckow
  105. Dmitry 说:
    @reiner Tor

    好吧,我经过制药公司的停车场,他们的员工正在购买漂亮的汽车。 今年似乎有一半的员工正在购买特斯拉。

    同样,可以看到他们为员工建造的价值数十亿美元的(有点险恶的)办公室。

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2F1438d2e6-893a-11e9-abe3-2791ad0a81dd.jpg?crop=1279%2C720%2C0%2C67&resize=1180

    也就是说,他们并不完全像阿西西的圣弗朗西斯那样生活。

    但前段时间,我和一家跨国制药公司的首席执行官谈话,并没有得到一种直觉或“蜘蛛侠的感觉”,我在一个组织了冠状病毒大流行的邪恶天才面前。 他看起来是个好人,他甚至坐火车去上班。 但是,谁知道呢,也许他们的能力在像我这样的天真的局外人看来是正常的,这只是制药工人黑暗的马基雅维利才能的另一个迹象。

    • 回复: @Pericles
  106. RodW 说:

    这些人们把东西贴在自己身上的视频是垃圾。 我没有接种过疫苗,我也不会,但是如果我将 iPhone 拍打在胸骨上半部分没有毛发的地方,它就会粘在那里。

    我还没有尝试过其他任何东西,因为这一点已经被证明了。 它是摩擦力和吸力的结合。

    请注意,您没有看到任何人手肘上挂着东西,这将是真正磁性的令人信服的证明。

    任何从这件事中推断出任何事情的“医生”都没有首先注意到这是一个派对技巧,这不值得听。

  107. Dmitry 说:
    @utu

    匈牙利就像捷克和波兰一样有获得疫苗的前景

    尽管如此,更严格/更严重的封锁,即使只是在今年年初,也会挽救匈牙利数千人的生命,并允许比现在更早地恢复正常生活。

    与俄罗斯发生的情况相比,匈牙利、捷克共和国、斯洛伐克和波兰在控制大流行方面都相对成功。

    现在这种情况还在继续。 例如,在疫苗接种推广方面:

    俄罗斯被严重低估了。

    是的,在大流行期间提供的医疗统计数据的透明度更像是我在第三世界国家所期望的(这是对许多第三世界国家的侮辱,尽管资源较少,但它们更加透明)。

    以色列、匈牙利和俄罗斯的死亡人数/百万人为 689

    以色列在今年年初的延迟封锁中完全无能,导致数千人死亡(这些最后一波死亡人数不成比例地发生在阿拉伯以色列人口中,他们接种疫苗的速度较慢,反映出地区国家能力低下) . 当时当局在疫苗接种方面表现出了强大的国家能力,但联合政府推迟了最终的封锁。 以色列 XNUMX 月份实施的封锁也远弱于之前(严格且成功的)封锁。 疫苗的推出似乎提供了错误的信心,并减轻了以色列在大流行早期出现的更有效封锁的压力。

    在匈牙利,似乎也出现了类似的情况,也是大流行最致命的高峰,是在他们的政客们对他们有效地推出疫苗后自我鼓掌之后到来的。

    故意假装无能的决定,在他们的情况下,这并不需要太多努力,

    在俄罗斯,那里的灾难比维谢格拉德更严重——一开始,欧洲的平均反应似乎并不差。

    阻止病毒进入俄罗斯的尝试失败了。 正如我们在这个博客上关注的那样。 重新阅读我们的旧帖子,我们仍然试图在 2020 年 XNUMX 月保持乐观。 https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-corona/#comment-3769819

    2020 年 XNUMX 月下旬,在俄罗斯,当局将遵循负责任的政策,实施封锁,并减少第一波病毒(这可能挽救了数千人的生命),将其推入夏季通风换气时。

    然而,由于对政府支持率的负面影响,灾难准备在此时开始。 政府负责任的政策(封锁)似乎导致了有史以来最低的总统支持率。

    从那里,灾难准备好了。 当不可避免的秋季浪潮到来时,政府选择了一种比瑞典真正遵循的更自由放任和自由​​的反应。 在超额死亡指标中,现在似乎有超过 XNUMX 万人丧生。

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @utu
  108. @Dmitry

    TFR因其设计而上下波动,而实际生育率受到的影响要小得多,只有实际生育率(而非TFR)才会对未来人口规模产生影响。

    它“波动”[不像人们听到这个词时通常的想法]以响应实际生育率的变化。 它是特定年龄生育率的总和,所以如果实际生育率增加,这怎么会不会出现在 TFR 中呢?

  109. Rich 说:
    @Passer by

    你有什么证据表明病毒会造成长期损害? 许多有资质的科学家都写过你们正在推动的基因治疗实验的潜在长期危害。 你为什么不理会他们,而是相信那些有经济利益的人来推动镜头? 我会坚持控制组,你用实验药物,1 到 3 年我们应该知道谁是对的。

    • 回复: @Passer by
  110. melanf 说:
    @reiner Tor

    这是一个非常无用的表。

    当然,这样的数据不能用来比较疫苗,这个我很理解。 但这些数据(如果正确的话)适合反驳都市传说(“在我的工作中,12 人接种了疫苗,其中 6 人现在在医院使用呼吸机,其中两人已经死于冠状病毒”)

    • 同意: reiner Tor
  111. @utu

    出于这个原因,克里姆林宫没有像它应该的那样宣传疫苗接种,因此它造成了供过于求的错误形象,相反,克里姆林宫祈祷更多的人成为反疫苗者。

    确切地说,(1) 自 2 月/3 月左右以来,诊所每周都会给附属于他们的老人打电话,乞求他们进来接种疫苗,(XNUMX) 大量的公共广告劝告人们接种人造卫星,包括字面上的横幅广告Gosuslugi,(XNUMX)关于雇主付钱给工人接种疫苗,梅兰夫说的是“祈祷更多人成为反疫苗者”?

    但是这是有代价的:你最终会在你的国家有更多被误导的白痴,希望他们最终能看穿谎言,然后用他的球吊死卡林。

    你的祝福得到了适当的注意。

    • 回复: @utu
    , @reiner Tor
  112. @Dmitry

    是的,在大流行期间提供的医疗统计数据的透明度更像是我在第三世界国家所期望的(这是对许多第三世界国家的侮辱,尽管资源较少,但它们更加透明)。

    俄罗斯做出了一项政治决定,系统地推敲新冠死亡率数据。 我不支持这一点,但这是有逻辑的(在收容失败后仍保持正常感),最终发现所有国家电晕统计数据都不是真正具有国际可比性,并且估计电晕死亡率的唯一可靠方法是通过超额死亡。

    与俄罗斯发生的情况相比,匈牙利、捷克共和国、斯洛伐克和波兰在控制大流行方面都相对成功。

    国家 COVID-19 总死亡率 报告的 COVID-19 死亡率
    ...
    保加利亚 544.5 238.7
    ...
    罗马尼亚 455.6 147.5
    ...
    斯洛伐克 427.6 216.6
    俄罗斯联邦 404.6 74.5
    立陶宛 395.1 141.7
    波兰 389.9 177.5
    捷克 386.8 276.0
    匈牙利 386.7 288.2

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/7-million-deaths-from-corona/

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  113. Beckow 说:
    @BlackFlag

    曾经有一些社会会牺牲儿童。 这样做是因为孩子们无助,而不是因为神喜欢它。

    为儿童接种疫苗的推动力是一样的: 为冠状病毒零风险的儿童接种疫苗,理论上可以将少数老人的生命延长几年. 那就是他对付魔鬼——它把我们带回了动物世界。

    我们生活在一个老年统治中,它在生物学上是不可持续的。 那些对后代没有兴趣,没有家庭的人,站在狂热推动每个人接种疫苗的最前沿。 我怀疑 AK 和他的快乐的vax-pushers 乐队不是家庭成员——这对他们来说无关紧要,牺牲年轻人,不管怎样,只要让老人和疑病症患者舒服就好。

    这是 保守的? 如何?

  114. Max Payne 说:
    @Vishnugupta

    如果海湾战争教会了我什么,那就是生物武器疫苗造成的问题多于它们解决的问题。 所谓的“海湾战争综合症”。

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1569620/

    假设它是一种生物武器...... 尽管如此。

    病毒通常不会进化,除非外部压力/力量迫使它进化。 这个过程发生在很长一段时间内。

    人们甚至可能会争辩说,这些仓促的疫苗正在加强病毒以适应更致命的形式。 因为他们似乎是唯一强大的外力。

    只是说...

    而且我也不是健康的顶峰。 我以很多方式虐待我的身体。

    猜猜我们会在5年后发现。 到那时,赛博朋克 2077 应该会发布其多人游戏功能并在补丁 3.79.1563f 上发布……

  115. utu 说:
    @AP

    那么您如何解释俄罗斯的疫苗接种率稳定,因此疫苗接种与时间的函数保持线性的事实?

    为什么 2 月的某一周接种疫苗的人数与 40 月的一周相同? 俄罗斯的疫苗接种受疫苗供应而不是疫苗需求控制。 克里姆林宫和卡林试图让我们相信的所谓公众对疫苗接种兴趣减弱的现象意味着到达曲线以负二阶导数弯曲的点。 在美国,曲线弯曲始于 XNUMX 月中旬,当时接种疫苗的人数为 XNUMX%。 这是曲线开始受需求控制的时候。

    那么,在过去的 8 周中,每周接种疫苗的人数是如何一周又一周的呢? 为什么六月份接种的人没有在四月份接种疫苗? 他们为什么要等8周? 是什么让他们在六月突然起床去接种疫苗? 很简单:有一个隐藏的疫苗配给,而卡林试图让我们相信每个人都可以走进去。很少有人可以,但大多数想要接种疫苗的人必须等待轮到他们完成一些注册过程,就像现在一样在其他国家这样做,为了不让系统不堪重负,特殊群体和年龄的人被允许注册接种疫苗,并为他们分配了接种日期。

    卡林愿意用蒙昧主义和反疫苗白痴的指责诽谤同胞,以掩盖俄罗斯疫苗短缺,俄罗斯没有生产能力满足需求的事实,这真是令人难过。 一个骄傲的民族主义者,为了克里姆林宫的屁股报道公关,愿意把 90% 的同胞描绘成白痴,90% 的人没有接种疫苗。 他们没有,因为他们不能。 在俄罗斯,死亡仍然不是可选的!

    • 回复: @melanf
    , @AP
  116. utu 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    疫苗正在通过注册程序进行配给。 接种疫苗数量与时间曲线仍受供应而非需求控制。 在俄罗斯,死亡仍然不是可选的。 请参阅我对美联社的评论 #119。

    • 回复: @Levtraro
  117. reiner Tor 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    有一些证据。 即使是轶事证据也是证据(“我生病的朋友和熟人”当然是一个样本,即使不一定是非常具有代表性的样本,但是如果没有质量统计数据,为什么要排除该证据呢?),当然还有医院似乎看到了完全相同的轶事:

    NHS 的一位老板说,最近因 Covid-19 冠状病毒在博尔顿医院住院的人比之前的大流行浪潮“年轻得多”。

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/delta-covid-variant-hotspot-seeing-20748024

    当然有一个混杂因素,现在很多人都接种了疫苗,尤其是老年人,所以也许这只是反映了这一点,但我想说,武汉最初的数字说他二十多岁没有人被杀必须更毒。 至少在缺乏高质量统计数据的情况下看起来如此。

    只要没有什么更好的,你就必须使用轶事证据,除非你有令人信服的理由不这样做。

    • 回复: @Finnishguy78
  118. utu 说:
    @Dmitry

    与俄罗斯发生的情况相比,匈牙利、捷克共和国、斯洛伐克和波兰在控制大流行方面都相对成功。

    他们都非常糟糕。 他们都没有以任何方式成功。 在捷克、斯洛伐克和波兰的情况下,问题是为什么他们在第二波中放弃了在第一波中真正有效的方法? 是大流行已经过去的懒惰和愚蠢的过早庆祝,还是一个安静,有计划和愤世嫉俗的决定走瑞典的方式并进行老年种族灭绝?

    俄罗斯不够透明,我们无法知道发生了什么。

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  119. melanf 说:
    @utu

    那么如何解释俄罗斯的疫苗接种率稳定,疫苗接种与时间的函数保持线性的事实?....俄罗斯的疫苗接种受疫苗供应控制

    “俄罗斯的疫苗接种由疫苗供应控制”——这个假设完全是胡说八道,因为它与经验观察相矛盾。 来俄罗斯,去购物中心看看疫苗接种点是如何工作的(或者,致电这些疫苗接种点,了解您需要接种哪些疫苗)。 如果你不想这样做,最好停止在这里发布阴谋论

    另外,疫苗接种率变化——这里是每周平均接种人数的图表

    https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats

    • 同意: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @utu
  120. reiner Tor 说:
    @AP

    特别是当只有很少的俄罗斯人在读卡林的时候,他们根本不是反疫苗者,因为这是一个英文博客。

  121. reiner Tor 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    我认为一个大失败是普京很长一段时间没有接种疫苗,然后没有在镜头前。

    它可能有一个非常平凡的原因,比如普京对不必要的恐惧有一种非理性的恐惧。 我认识一个身体健康的人,他看起来不是很胆小或什么,但他受不了血或针,一看到这样的东西就会脸色苍白。 (虽然我很确定这种非理性的恐惧是可以治疗的,但这可能会让普京感到尴尬,大多数人只是把它当作一种性格怪癖。)

    • 回复: @melanf
  122. melanf 说:
    @reiner Tor

    我认为一个大失败是普京很长一段时间没有接种疫苗,然后没有在镜头前。

    这对普京个人来说无疑是一个巨大的失败,但对疫苗接种率的影响微乎其微

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  123. @reiner Tor

    例如,在巴西,成千上万的儿童死于新冠病毒,这在第一波疫情中并非如此,在大多数巴西毒株不占优势的国家中也并非如此。
    所以看起来巴西毒株更致命。
    英国毒株似乎不是致命的或南非毒株。 尚不知道印度毒株是否更致命,它可能也是..

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  124. Pericles 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It could of course be an 不成功 money making scheme.

  125. reiner Tor 说:
    @RodW

    The choice is to either get the vaccine or the virus. You cannot avoid the virus unless you get vaccinated. Well unless everyone else gets vaccinated, and then you can benefit from the herd immunity.

    I have also noticed that those opposed to the vaccines usually oppose other measures like masks. So what is your proposal to avoid getting infected with the virus? Because obviously you don’t think it’s the vaccine.

    • 回复: @RodW
  126. utu 说:
    @melanf

    Oh what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive

    There are lies and there is a subtle conspiracy. Karlin spreads Dmitry Peskov lies

    Russia lags behind others in its COVID-19 vaccination drive (May 3, 2021)
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-coronavirus-world-news-europe-health-3d166261cb9f80964c8ce1e1ef9a4525
    On April 28, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said there are enough vaccines available in Russia, adding that demand was the defining factor in the country’s vaccination rate.

    and you seem to believe them.

    Pretty much all vaccines that were released for the internal market after passing the quality control have been used. The demand is obviously much higher. The responsible and dutiful citizens are waiting for appointments which they will get once more vaccine is available. The vaccination rate is around 10% so far because there was no vaccines for more. But once more vaccines are made available the vaccination rate will increase. You will see in July that vaccination rate will reach 20% or higher.

    Waiting lists for the shot remain long in places. In the Sverdlovsk region, the fifth most-populous in Russia, 178,000 people were on a wait list by mid-April, regional Deputy Health Minister Yekaterina Yutyaeva told AP.

    The conspiracy part is that Kremlin purposefully downplayed vaccination urgency to create a perception of vaccine abundance. Vaccine abundance is artificial.

    I don’t want to believe that Kremlin was behind social media anti-vaxxing campaign to reduce the demand, though everything is possible, but certainly Kremlin benefited from growing anti-vaxxing sentiments. Also the bad mouthing Western vaccines and their side effects in Russian media could have contribute to mistrust:

    Rumors about the alleged dangers of vaccines actually surged on social media in December, when Russia began administering the shots, and have continued steadily since then, said social anthropologist Alexandra Arkhipova.

    Kremlin did not start full speed vaccination campaign in media until late March:

    A proper media campaign promoting vaccinations didn’t begin on state TV until late March, observers and news reports note. Videos on the Channel 1 national network featured celebrities and other public figures talking about their experience but didn’t show them getting injected. President Vladimir Putin said he received the shot about the same time, but not on camera.

    And then there are mixed messages. Kremlin actions made people think that the pandemics is over:

    Dragan, the data analyst, says one possible explanation for the reluctance is the narrative from authorities that they have tamed the outbreak, even if that assessment might be premature.

    With most virus restrictions lifted and government officials praising the Kremlin’s pandemic response, few have motivation to get the shot, he said, citing an attitude of, “If the outbreak is over, why would I get vaccinated?”

    Government statistics say infections have stayed at about 8,000-9,000 per day nationwide, with 300-400 deaths recorded daily. But new cases have been steadily increasing in Moscow in the past month, exceeding 3,000 last week for the first time since January.

    Anyway, 30% and probably more people in Russia are willing to get vaccinated and with some nudging more will. But for this to happen vaccines must be made available first. The availability is limited by the production capacity in Russia. Not all batches pass the quality control. Possibly more vaccines will come from India which was licensed to produce Sputnik V.

  127. reiner Tor 说:
    @Finnishguy78

    My brother works for a multinational with a huge office in India. Multiple people in their thirties have died there, though I don’t know how healthy (or not) they were.

  128. Pericles 说:
    @Dmitry

    But, who knows, perhaps their ability to seem normal to naive outsiders like myselfe, is just another indication of the pharmaceutical workers’ dark Machiavellian talents.

    Executives usually do know how to talk to people and befriend them.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  129. reiner Tor 说:
    @Pericles

    对,那是正确的。

    But there are many possible points here. Like Big Pharma started the pandemic. (Highly unlikely.) Big Pharma used a pandemic started by others to make profits. (Well, that’s what pharmaceutical companies are supposed to do.) The pandemic is false but is exaggerated by Big Pharma. (Is Big Pharma powerful enough for this?) There’s a conspiracy of many big firms including Big Pharma (and also other, more powerful industries like Big Tech) to exaggerate the pandemic. (Again, at least there should be competing interests, especially in other countries.) The vaccines don’t work. (None of them? Only some of them?)

    Probably dozens of such sentences could be written, many of them not compatible with the others, and some interlinked.

    So it’s a very general statement to say that it could be a failed money making scheme. Pharma CEOs could be reptilians (provided those even exist), but is there any evidence for that? They could also be wizards (but there’s no evidence wizards even exist). Or angels of God. (Provided those even exist.) Is there a reason to entertain the theory that it’s a failed money making scheme? Are there more reasons than to think that pharma CEOs are reptilians?

    I think a more specific hypothesis could be discussed better.

    But yes, they are not necessarily very good people (executives often have some slight psychopathic tendencies), and probably impressions got during a social conversation can be highly misleading about any CEO. Big Pharma might also be an industry which is perhaps worse, on average, than the rest. Though it’s interesting that AFAIK the overlap between the painkiller racket and the vaccine peddlers is not that large.

  130. Pericles 说:

    Is there a reason to entertain the theory that it’s a failed money making scheme? Are there more reasons than to think that pharma CEOs are reptilians?

    Please note it was our esteemed host who dismissed the possibility that this was a money making scheme 因为 it didn’t seem to make money. But failure of money making does not imply money making was never intended. In addition, we don’t know what the fiscal outcome will be.

    I’ll leave your long list of perhapses for another time, perhaps, perhaps, perhaps even another era.

    As to reptilians, well …

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  131. Dreadilk 说:
    @The Alarmist

    Not enough comments but this is a hard agree.

    • 谢谢: The Alarmist
  132. @joniel

    If you look just at official RF coronastats, dying rate is simply relentless slow motion trainwreck over there, even if not super high and mainly flatlined. But it is constant and neverending so far.

  133. melanf 说:
    @utu

    The vaccination rate is around 10% so far because there was no vaccines for more.

    I’m sorry, but this is completely ridiculous. 10% is vaccination rate with two doses of the vaccine. If the reason was a lack of vaccine – it was possible to vaccinate only the first dose (which is easier to produce). According to Argentine data https://www.diariocontexto.com.ar/2021/06/02/estudio-revelo-que-la-sputnik-v-tiene-una-efectividad-con-una-sola-dosis-de-786/ , the first dose of Sputnik had an efficiency of 76% among the elderly-and
    this is a very good efficiency.

    In addition many millions of doses of the vaccine are sold abroad

    • 回复: @sudden death
    , @utu
  134. @melanf

    It’s not a big effect, but anecdotally speaking, I don’t think it is entirely negligible. A number of the “Putler wants to genocide the pensioners with vaccines” people have cited it as “proof” for their theories.

    In fairness if it was not this it would probably be some other nonsense, when Putin did get the vaccine, their new tack was that it was a placebo.

  135. @melanf

    Is there any data available (no matter independent or by designers/makers themselves) about Sputnik’s efficacy against variants?

    • 回复: @melanf
  136. @utu

    If clinics were calling pensioners urging them to come in for a shot, and it emerged that there were not enough shots for them, there would be a scandal. There were no such scandals, except a few months ago on highly temporary and local scales, so it is clearly not a supply issue. In any case, as I have repeatedly said and melanf and other Russians (who live in Russia, unlike Dmitry) have confirmed, there are multiple locations across Russian cities offering walk-in vaccinations, the problem is not excessive demand for them but that they are empty. This also explains why Sputnik is exported but doesn’t produce a political scandal, which it certainly would if it impacted on domestic Russian supply; in any case, virtually all of the exports that have occured have been of the first dose of the Sputnik V, which is much easier to produce than the second.

    Your pivot in response to this is bizarre accusations that the Kremlin is spreading anti-vaxx propaganda to constrain demand and that I (of all people) are helping them with it. In reality, as opposed to your fantasy world, there is a long-running propaganda campaign to spread awareness and encourage people to get the shot. I have attached a screenshot of Gosuslugi (the electronic state services website used by millions of Russians) shilling vaccinations, here is a poster (similar ones have been hanging in this location for months) just outside my apartment which I pass near every day.

    But it’s funny (and telling) how your rage is focused against me specifically, as opposed to the sovok anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists and the West-worshipping liberasts who hate Sputnik just because it is Russian, and who actually dominate the anti-vaxx discourse in Russia. An example of the latter type, posted to /r/europe a few days ago:

    Anecdotal experience of course, but I have a Russian friend. He’s not sure to get vaccinated, but if he does it will categorically not be with Sputnik. He trusts the Russian vaccine the least.

    That is because you politically endorse such sentiments, you desire the overthrow of Putin and the subjugation of Russia, and my own personal liquidation as a thorn in the foot of Western Supremacism. You should at least be honest about your agenda.

    • 同意: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @sudden death
    , @utu
    , @Finnishguy78
  137. @reiner Tor

    140-odd references – did I miss the reference to the Danish study or is it not there? That’s my yardstick for a mask review: you can argue source control if you want (lol) and you can even argue masks protect the wearer, but you at least need to account for the Danish study somehow. If you just ignore it, you deserve to be ignored in turn.

    What discussion?

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  138. utu 说:
    @melanf

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere. You know you have no arguments left so you opted for making few random noises.

    Whatever was slated for internal use in Russia for this period by Kremlin decisions has been fully utilized. And more will be utilized as more supplies will be coming. I predict that by the end of July 20% prevalence will be reached providing that Kremlin slates at least 5o% of vaccine production for the domestic use.

    Kremlin decided to sell almost 50% of its production to other countries is another though related issue. It tells you about Kremlin priorities that Kremlin prefers doing international PR and making few bucks over helping Russians by providing more vaccines. If Kremlin was more concerned with Russians almost 20% of Russians would have been vaccinated by now. And you would not need silly Karlin stories that anti-vaxxer body snatchers took over 90% of Russians.

    • 巨魔: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @Levtraro
    , @melanf
  139. @utu

    With the crucial difference being that deaths with vaccine need to be investigated, hence are all potentially deaths of vaccine; whereas with deaths with and from the virus, we already have a large dataset from which to draw conclusions. The vaccine needs to be confirmed safe and effective before being given to everybody – first, do no harm – even if it is necessary (it isn’t)

  140. @Anatoly Karlin

    the sovok anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists

    Why those are even a thing though? I mean USSR had strict mandatory vaxing, including small children, for many diseases and all of the supposedly antivax sovoks and their children should have been vaxed too, thus being antivax should run contrary against Soviet nostalgia? Or are they somehow opposed just to modern “bad” vaxing, while old Soviet vaxing was “good”?

  141. utu 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If clinics were calling pensioners urging them to come in for a shot, and it emerged that there were not enough shots for them, there would be a scandal. – Tell me why clinics would make appointments if they had no shots? They arrange appointments within available allotment, say minus 5%, of vaccine. That’s how vaccine is rationed in the supply driven market to maintain the appearance of abundant availability. That people who want to be vaccinated do not do walk-ins is because people, who want to be vaccinated are planners, they wait for their turn after making appointments and probably they have heard of cases of people being told that vaccine was no longer available on a given today when they did a walk-in.

    “that I (of all people) are helping them with it” – I did not accuse you for anti-vaxxer propaganda. I accused you of using anti-vaxxers as an excused for Kremlin’s failure to provide more vaccines which Kremlin had but decided to export it for the PR glory and few bucks.

    “…how your rage is focused against me specifically, as opposed to the sovok anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist..” – It is easer to understand and excuse stupid people than excuse lies from people with sufficient intelligence and moral capacity to know better.

    “That is because you politically endorse such sentiments” – There is some rationality behind such sentiments. Only about 30 millions people were vaccinated with Russian vaccines in the world which is an order of magnitude less than for Western vaccines. And BTW, you participated in the vaccine trials. Did you get vaccine certificate or were you in placebo group?

    “my own personal liquidation as a thorn in the foot of Western Supremacism” – Do not exaggerate your importance. Beside you have a great potential for being reformed in rehabilitation centers.

  142. reiner Tor 说:
    @Pericles

    It didn’t make a lot of money (certainly not much if the industry had the power to shut down society or anything similar), and it was foreseeable. (Politicians wouldn’t allow that under any scenario.) I think it’s a good enough argument and it still stands.

    Also it’s incompatible (or at least difficult to reconcile) with these theories, or at least most of them. “Big Pharma is powerful enough to force the planet to get vaccinated with dangerous and useless vaccines, only to make money, but it isn’t powerful enough to negotiate a high enough price to actually make some real money.”

    • 回复: @Pericles
  143. @Anatoly Karlin

    这使得关于疫苗是大型制药公司赚钱计划的理论难以相信。

    好吧,他们 ,那恭喜你, a Big Pharma money-making scheme. They’re not free.

    I think you mean that the virus is not a Big Pharma money-making scheme, and I’m happy to agree. Although I didn’t see anyone here arguing that it was.

    如果您投资了大型制药公司,那么您不仅会在投资加密货币或大型科技公司,甚至整个市场方面都蒙受损失。

    If you’d invested in Moderna or BioNTech pre-pandemic, you’d have more than doubled your money.

    A couple of years ago Moderna was publicly being compared to Theranos and struggling to explain themselves to investors; in 2020, with lower standards at the FDA, suddenly mRNA managed to pass safety trials and make it to market. That’s not necessarily conspiracy, that’s just opportunism.

  144. @AP

    Last time I saw a strawman that big, Edward Woodward was locked in its chest

    • 回复: @AP
  145. @Anatoly Karlin

    English version of RT is giving every day anti-vaxx, anti lockdown propaganda for some reason though.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  146. @Finnishguy78

    Well I obviously don’t speak for RT, nor do I watch it for that matter. If that is an accurate assessment, then anti-vaxx propaganda is bad. Being anti-lockdown now is common sense.

  147. AP 说:
    @utu

    The numbers on this chart are compelling. On the other hand, I too can confirm that at least in Moscow there is no problem for anyone to get a vaccine if they want to. I also know numerous Russians (in the West) who refuse to get vaccinated. One, a physician, left her job at a (Western) hospital rather than get vaccinated. So anti-vaxx sentiment is widespread and doesn’t depend on the Russian government, it reflects attitudes that precede recent events.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  148. You know what I detect in this post? Emotion. You must free yourself, Tolya, from your emotional investment in this subject. Yes, you called the China Virus early, and yes it did ‘crater the global economy and kill millions”, though perhaps what has happened is among the most mild scenarios that technically fulfill that broad forecast.

    There’s simply no way to understand the long term properties of these vaccines, until long term studies are done. Even then, it’s easy to imagine small-effect-size harms that don’t get picked up in studies. So people are totally rational for not getting the vaccine, for a virus that isn’t especially deadly, isn’t even worse than the flu if you take your HCQ, even for healthy old people. If you’re an unhealthy oldie? Well, we all die. In any case, little is accomplished approaching the subject with such a transparent bias.

  149. AP 说:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It follows the pattern. “Telling me what to do it bad. People doing it must be making money off of it.”

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
  150. @AP

    Moreover, as I pointed out, Moscow isn’t even exceptional in vaccination rate, being only around the 66th percentile in that respect relative to other regions. (This was not the case in, say, Jan-Feb, when supply constraints obviously did play a dominant role).

    This is not the pattern one would expect if supply constraints were a factor.

    ***

    The actual constraint:

    • 同意: AP
    • 回复: @Mr. Hack
    , @Demografie
  151. Svevlad 说:
    @E. Harding

    Due to elite retardation, the entire planet has been turned into a low trust society.

    The simplest possible answer.

    • 回复: @silviosilver
  152. RodW 说:
    @reiner Tor

    You cannot avoid the virus unless you get vaccinated.

    Well, I seem to have avoided it for a year and a half by taking a few reasonable precautions. In that time, I’ve met exactly two people who have had the virus and experienced mild symptoms.

    Your false dichotomy is “be infected or take the vaccine” where taking the vaccine is a sure way of receiving something potentially sinister directly from a lab versus a slight chance of receiving something that probably originated in a lab that has gone through numerous mutations in human hosts. I’m gambling on the latter. So far it’s been a safe bet.

    Your straw man is that we “trust this artificially enhanced chimerical virus”. We don’t trust it at all, and earnestly want to know what it is, who made it, and why. And we’re loath to take the ‘cure’ for it before we know the cause of it.

    Also there’s no way of knowing yet what the vaccine does. I for one will wait and see. I don’t know anyone who has died from Covid, but I know one person who has suffered horribly from the vaccine. That’s the dataset that informs my decision.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    , @silviosilver
  153. Mersaux 说:

    Maybe the Kremlin lying about Corona mortality convinced many Russians that the Kremlin lies about sputnik vaccine danger too

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  154. @Mersaux

    These statistical manipulations aren’t widely known. Those who do know about them (e.g. people who understand what “excess mortality” means and/or follow certain data bloggers) are not the types who would be anti-vaxxers in the first place.

    • 同意: Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
    , @melanf
  155. @76239

    True, Big Pharma companies have vested interests.
    However, it’s not true that SARS-CoV-2 has not been proven to exist(Covid 19 is the disease or syndrome , the infectious agent is SARS-CoV-2).
    If you meant SARS-CoV-2 failed to fulfill traditional Koch’s postulates, consider this article from Reuters:-
    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-koch-idUSL2N2L23F1

    Some articles :-
    1.) Electromicrograph of SARS-CoV-2 grown on Vero cells.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-73162-5

    2.) Finding of coronavirus virions on pathological samples.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41379-021-00793-y

    We can indeed argue about the lethality of this virus , on whether this pandemic is as catastrophic as mainstream media bleats continuously or it’s just like seasonal influenza(personally I think Covid 19 is slightly more lethal than seasonal influenza but not at the level of mass hysteria the likes of CNN , BBC , Al Jazeera bla bla). I would also mention that Covid 19 lethality is probably much reduced due to modern medicine/healthcare + public health measures. It might have been more lethal, say if the pandemic occured in the 19th century. However, the virus and the disease itself is real. As I have commented before sometime ago in another thread , if the next pandemic comes with the lethality of Nipahvirus and the infectiousness and asymptomatic carrier state like SARS-CoV-2, this pandemic will be nothing compared to the massive mortality that such a hypothetical virus will cause.

  156. Mr. Hack 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Some of the more prevalent reasons that I hear regarding anti-vaxing is related to some sort of fear of ingesting pathogens that will appear later in life and damage the healthy functioning of bodily processes. I probably could use language that more accurately reflects their fears, but I think you know what I’m writing about here. Could you better explain what these fears center around, and do you give them much credence?

    • 回复: @joniel
  157. @Beckow

    I think you raise valid points. My position is – I am neither an anti-vaxxer nor a pro-vaxxer. There should be some rationality in the vaccination drive. The main issues with Covid-19 are these :-
    1. “High risk groups” develop severe disease with significant morbidity and mortality.
    2. The tendency for healthcare to be overwhelmed with moderate to severe Covid-19 patients which would compromise healthcare for both Covid and non Covid patients.
    So, it makes sense for high risk groups be recommended to receive Covid vaccines. And I think the “high risk groups” should be defined : elderly(more than 60 yo?), those with certain medical co-morbidities(eg cardiovascular disease, pulmonary conditions, cancer), healthcare workers(potential exposure to massive doses of the virus if they care for undiagnosed Covid patients )?

    So far, toddlers and the young don’t seem to get severe disease(although some pulmonologist friends of mine have anecdotally mentioned more severe and fatal cases of Covid in the young in my country of late) – so probably not really recommended for massive Covid vaccination.

    Ultimately, the public should be given basic information regarding the risks and benefits of all the different types of vaccines , information about risk groups and estimated risk of severe disease/mortality : then let each individual decide for themselves. I deplore the scaremongering tactics of politicians and mainstream media.

    If we can get just the high risk groups to vaccinate, I think the mortality will reduce, the healthcare will not be overwhelmed with severe Covid patients(and thus improve the survival of these patients) and the world might actually be back to almost a pre-covid normalcy. And at the same time, scientists should not just rely on Covid vaccines -research on understanding the pathophysiology of the disease should continue : developing anti virals and anti cytokine storm agents should be the aim.

  158. reiner Tor 说:
    @RodW

    I seem to have avoided it for a year and a half by taking a few reasonable precautions

    Well so far I haven’t been infected either, but my plan is to live longer than one and a half years (or even decades), and I don’t want to continue doing all precautions (including things like never or extremely rarely dining out), certainly not indefinitely.

    I’ve met exactly two people who have had the virus and experienced mild symptoms.

    Well this means that you are either a hermit or in some weird place like New Zealand or Taiwan. Neither is applicable to me, and this also makes your achievement of not getting infected that much less impressive. For the rest of us, the only realistic long term way of not getting infected is getting vaccinated.

    • 回复: @joniel
    , @Beckow
    , @RodW
  159. Demografie 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Just come back from party where were few Russian imigrants. Non of them would like to get vaccinated. Not even Pfizer. Reason 1001 why you need to control media. Nobody even debate them. Like ok whatever.

  160. joniel 说:
    @Mr. Hack

    The conspiracy I hear most is that the vaccines produce a spike protein, which is toxic to most cells. The second part is true, but the first is not entirely so.

    “Now we get to a key difference: when a cell gets the effect of an mRNA nanoparticle or an adenovirus vector, it of course starts to express the Spike protein. But instead of that being assembled into more infectious viral particles, as would happen in a real coronavirus infection, this protein gets moved up to the surface of the cell, where it stays. That’s where it’s presented to the immune system, as an abnormal intruding protein on a cell surface. The Spike protein is not released to wander freely through the bloodstream by itself, because it has a transmembrane anchor region that (as the name implies) leaves it stuck. That’s how it sits in the virus itself, and it does the same in human cells. See the discussion in this paper on the development of the Moderna vaccine, and the same applies to all the mRNA and vector vaccines that produce the Spike. You certainly don’t have the real-infection situation of Spike-covered viruses washing along everywhere through the circulation. The Spike protein produced by vaccination is not released in a way that it gets to encounter the ACE2 proteins on the surface of other human cells at all: it’s sitting on the surface of muscle and lymphatic cells up in your shoulder, not wandering through your lungs causing trouble.”

    https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior

    If you don’t get the vaccine, then you will have virus particles with the spike protein attacking any cell they can get a hold of. So vaccine >>>> natural infection.

    • 谢谢: Mr. Hack
    • 回复: @Mr. Hack
  161. joniel 说:
    @reiner Tor

    Taiwan is losing control over the virus. This may be because of the Indian variant, or it may be because they are stuck in the dark ages of testing. (It takes about 9 days to get the results of your test back.) Also, they can only get vaccines from mainland China, which is probably not going to send any.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  162. @AP

    Do you really believe that government mandates are never motivated in part by financial gain for the government‘s officials, donors, and elites? Your comments reflect intelligence and not undue naivete, so I would think we are generally on the same page here.

    As for helmets, one needs to buy a helmet once as an adult, but one needs to get these vaccines many times: one or two shots to start, depending on the vaccine, then booster shots periodically perhaps annually. One doesn‘t keep buying new seat belts for the same vehicle every year or two either. The profit potential per person is far higher with mandatory vaccines than mandatory helmets and seat belts.

    The TOTAL profit to be made from vaccine mandates is also vastly higher than the profit to be made from seat belt mandates for another reason: we don‘t have to buy another car / set of seat belts for every member of the family, merely 1-2 vehicles typically per household. But they are trying to force the vaccines on every person in the family, soon perhaps down to toddlers and little kids. (Example: our household has only one vehicle but more than half a dozen people).

    Also, a seat belt or helmet properly used can never harm the user, whereas even the best vaccines unavoidably harm some of their users. Wearing a seat belt or helmet can only protect the wearer. Requiring people to wear seat belts and helmets cannot do damage to their bodies or risk their lives, organ function, or fertility.

    Another distinction: governments, the vaccine manufacturers, and other corporations participating in the pandemic fear-blitz feel the need to employ a unique level of threatening, shaming, coercing, and bribing people into taking the vaccines when tens of millions of Americans find it unnecessary to get jabbed with these vaccines because

    (1) they reasonably conclude that the virus‘s lethality has been generally exaggerated (including through the attribution of accident, cancer, and other deaths to COVID-19, and through the use of a PCR test that is acknowledged to generate so many false positives that it is unreliable);

    And/or (2) they reasonably conclude that even the dishonest inflated COVID-19 death stats show very low risk of death or permanent damage for people in their particular age group and health condition, or

    (3) they think that the virus is somewhat more contagious and/or more lethal than most recent viruses, but still don‘t want to risk them and especially their children getting experimental vaccines. Such people may be willing to get a supposed covid-19 vaccine once it has gone through full trials and we have had more time to observe adverse events and figure out which are likely caused by the vaccine. Or they may be willing to get a covid-19 vaccine based on a more well-established mechanism of action.

    We use our seat belts all the time, and we have our kids wear helmets when biking or scootering. Why? Because we have rationally determined, for our own family, that seat belts and helmets offer life- and brain-saving benefits with zero possibility of harm or injury from wearing them. It’s a no-brainer. But we wouldn’t presume to threaten some other American with a fine, let alone jail time, because they choose not to wear a helmet or seat belt. (However, the law should allow motor-vehicle and personal-liability insurers to reduce payment if they can show that the insured’s injuries were more serious/costly than they likely would have been if they had worn a helmet or seat belt.)

    We don‘t wear helmets because we‘re required to and wouldn’t if that were the only „reason“ — just as we rarely wore masks where they were purportedly „required“ without legislation (through „executive orders“ of governors acting as dictators, and „orders“ of domineering health „authorities“ who have gotten too big for their britches) and with conflicting medical evidence about their efficacy and potential adverse effects.

    In short, AP, we see major material distinctions between these vaccines and seat belts and helmets, both in the weighing of likely protection versus plausible potential harm to our family, and in the total and per capita profits available to the manufacturers.

    ** So yes, the manufacturer of any good or service always has a strong financial incentive to push government to force us to buy that good or service. The financial incentive applies when the product is a seat belt or helmet, which we find always worth using and don’t need to be forced or shamed to use. But the incentive also applies — and much more strongly — for vaccines approved under emergency authorization for a badly exaggerated virus.

    Our objection is not that manufacturers would make money per se, but that they would make vast profits by selling products whose use is mandated based on lies, exaggeration, bullying, social pressure, and suppression of evidence and competing assessments.

    As for such a competing assessment of the virus by medical doctors and epidemiologists, please see Swiss Policy Project (www.swprs.org).

    • 回复: @Hunter
  163. reiner Tor 说:
    @joniel

    Well I didn’t write it all that seriously, but obviously it reinforces my point.

  164. Unfortunately Russia looks increasingly like a second world repeat of what happened in India this April.

    A government/population which is lulled into complacency due to a relatively mild first wave and then a disastrous second wave.

    On top of that very recklessly Russia has not temporarily stopped tourists from India like most countries(in fact there is now some sort of a visa on arrival travel arrangement for tour groups) so there are presently a record number of Indian tourists in Russia now(Mostly Moscow and Spb) since it is pretty much the only option for a foreign vacation.

    I hope the Russians have enough oxygen supplies preferably oxygen generating plants at hospitals as this wave killed primarily due to a virtually overnight 500% increase in medical oxygen demand and the resulting inability of the supply infrastructure to cope.

    • 不同意: RadicalCenter, Blinky Bill
    • 回复: @sudden death
    , @Philip Owen
  165. @Anatoly Karlin

    AK, we all have our weaknesses of personality and argument style, you and me included. You are resorting again to this arrogant, illogical trope: nobody can disagree with your medical expertise unless they’re “the type of person” who is unintelligent, ignorant, and can’t understand the terms used.

    As for the carelessly used general slur “anti-vaxxers”, let’s be more analytically precise:

    (1) the fact that someone opposes an EXPERIMENTAL-vaccine mandate doesn’t tell us whether they would oppose a mandate to take a non-experimental vaccine after longer, more rigorous trials and won normal rather than emergency authorization (my wife and I wouldn’t get non-experimental vax for this virus either, but it’s a separate issue and some people would);

    (2) the fact that someone opposes ANY covid-19 vaccine mandate (whether the vaccine has emergency experimental authorization or approval after full trials) doesn’t tell us how they assess the likely-risk/benefit ratio. People who place a relatively higher value on individual freedom of choice and liberty will more often oppose forcing other people to get these vaccines but may take it themselves (my sister and her husband are such people).

    (3) the fact that someone refuses to take any COVID-19 vaccine, experimental or not, doesn’t tell us what they think about other vaccines, or about the justice and prudence of mandating those other vaccines. You’d probably slur me and my wife and most of my family and friends as “anti-vaxxers.” But our circle of folks, like the general population, is otherwise pro-vaccine (even pro-vaccine-mandate) for many maladies — they split whether to mandate, and whether to take, the COVID-19 vaccines.

    We make up our minds anew in each case, as new viral threats arise and vaccines are developed in response — based on evidence and advice from doctors and epidemiologists, online and among our acquaintances. We consult your columns and some of the cited sources, too. We do this case-by-case analysis when deciding whether we and our children will get a new vaccine. We also do this analysis when deciding whether to support or oppose forcing other people to get that new vaccine.

    To conclude on a point similar to one made previously: some people with children are understandably not well disposed towards people who have no children but have plenty of opinions about what OUR children should be forced to do, where they should not be allowed to go, whom they should not be allowed to meet, where they should be allowed to stand, whether they should be allowed to play team sports, sing in church, play with other kids, hug their grandparents, even SEE their grandparents in person before they die, and so much more. It’s easy for someone who has no experience raising children to be a know-it-all about what those children need, to impair our kids’ education, socialization, health, and well-being and lecture us not to be selfish or stupid.

    People whose family businesses have been impaired or destroyed, whose life savings are gone, who face eviction or foreclosure once the repeated moratoria are allowed to lapse in the US, also don’t take kindly to someone who doesn’t own such a business and hasn’t suffered such devastating losses thanks to the lockdowns you favor. It’s all too easy for someone like you to tell them, “suck it up, tough luck, don’t be ‘selfish’ and ‘ignorant’ (‘cause hey, I’ve still got mine).”

    It’s good to see so many allegedly stupid and ignorant people trying to live free and breathe free in Russia. As for Russians reflexively distrusting whatever the government says, that shouldn’t be hard to fathom. Same for Americans who have come to presumptively distrust and disbelieve our rulers.

    In short, AK, you can make your points well — you do on other topics — without insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

    Nor do you need to throw around highly imprecise and often misleading slurs like “anti-vaxxers.” (Of the many people we know who refuse to get a covid-19 vaccine for themselves and their children, not a single one is opposed to all vaccination. Every one of them was glad to get their kids the vaccines for polio, rubella, etc. I was, too, given that my great-grandmother suffered from polio and was confined to a wheelchair for the 90-plus years of her life as a result, not uncommon back then.)

    Come on, man, you offer such a unique perspective and sense of humor, with varied interests, great writing in English — why ruin it by needlessly insulting people who disagree with you?

    Now get away from the screen, go outside into the sunlight and air, and take off that damn face-muffler. That’s what we’re gonna do right now. And without a mask, you can start smiling at the devushkas again. You’ll be more relaxed and can get busy repopulating Rodina 😉 Even your pandemic detractors like me are rooting for that. And the next time “the authorities” order a lockdown, for reasons real or exaggerated, you’ll see how it affects your own children. You might still suport that lockdown too, but you’ll have a different perspective and more relevant experience, and you might (I hope) assess the risks/benefits of lockdown differently.

    God bless you, AK, our countries, and everyone sincerely trying to ascertain the right and fair answers are to these questions.

    • 同意: Beckow
    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Beckow
  166. Beckow 说:
    @reiner Tor

    If your odds of surviving corona are as low as you say, accept my sympathies. For 90% of people the odds are better than a test MRNA vaccine that requires an annual booster shot.

    I know few people who had it, two died – one in his 80’s, one a fat man in his late 60’s with heart issues. For the others, the average sickness time was 4-5 days, many had minimal symptoms.

    所谓的 长日冕 is hard to define. The reported symptoms of ‘loss of memory’ and ‘tiredness’ are too subjective to validate – some people play games or have psychological and material reasons to report it. The more serious long-term effects have not been shown. From a friend who is a heart-lung specialist: post-corona X-rays show roughly the same damage to lungs as pneumonia and don’t last. We don’t know for sure, but why experiment with our bodies?

    Given that, why would a healthy adult or child be vaccinated. What exactly are we trying to accomplish and at what risk? Is this about making elderly, obese and hypochondriacs feel better? That would be biological madness akin to ancient custom of sacrificing children. Sober up before it is too late.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  167. reiner Tor 说:
    @Beckow

    If your odds of surviving corona are as low as you say

    I haven’t yet read your comment, but based on this sentence, you haven’t read mine either, since nowhere did I write anything about my odds of surviving corona. I wish you well!

    • 回复: @Beckow
  168. @RadicalCenter

    In short, AK, you can make your points well — you do on other topics — without insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

    Where did I insult anybody?

    All I said is that elderly anti-vaxxers can croak for all I care, no more lockdowns for them. You should be happy with and endorse this position.

  169. Beckow 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    Agree. It is hard to understand why so many here – otherwise reflective, skeptical and rational even if we disagree – take the unthinking, dogmatic position take a shot or else. I have ascribed it to them taking the vaccine, they are committed. Whatever doubts they had before it’s too late, they want everyone with them.

    people with children are understandably not well disposed towards people who have no children but have plenty of opinions about what OUR children should be forced to do

    Precisely. It is mostly the people with no kids and no normal family lives, who are obsessive about telling others what to do. Dead-enders with no stake in the future. They are narcissists who put their own comfort above all else. Interestingly, many have conservative sympathies without understanding that we will only prevail by having families, by being normal, and not by words.

    One evolutionary reason that helps societies is grandparents who live long enough to help with grandkids. The ‘babushka’ effect. Today we have an unfortunate combination of elderly with no grandkids and no biological reason for longevity, but with plenty of assets, opinions and power. An ugly combination, barren spinsters in Junior High School harassing the young. (Maybe there was a reason for the witch trials in the past, it may come to that. The young always win.)

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  170. Beckow 说:
    @reiner Tor

    Quoting you:

    …so far I haven’t been infected either, but my plan is to live longer than one and a half years (or even decades), and I don’t want to continue doing all precautions

    Can a reasonable person surmise that your fear getting corona? That suggests not very good odds on your part. (Maybe I am reading too much into it.)

    Is taking a shot once year an ok as a “precaution”? For a 35-year male that would be 50 or more shots. I took the measles shot, but would I take it once a year, year after year…

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  171. Levtraro 说:
    @utu

    Signing up to get vaccinated follows the principle of freedom of choice. Otherwise vaccination would have to be mandatory. So in various countries in western Europe they are sending SMSs to sign up for vaccination. Thus according to your “logic” there is rationing in those various European countries and therefore they want more anti-vaxxers. But there is no need to try to understand your “logic”. You are an obvious Russophobe so you are simply biased and your comments regarding anything Russia can be discarded as outside the scope of intellectual discussion.

    • 回复: @utu
  172. reiner Tor 说:
    @Beckow

    unthinking, dogmatic position take a shot or else

    My position is simple. Take a shot or get infected with the virus. There is no third option in the long run. People might brag about having avoided contracting the virus so far, but people who plan on living several more decades inevitably need to know that they will either get infected or get vaccinated, there’s just no third option.

    You have made your decision, you trust the Wuhan lab gain of function research and their chimerical virus, but you don’t trust the BioNTech lab and its vaccine. I tend to think that the Wuhan lab tested its virus for its long term safety way less than Pfizer tested the BioNTech vaccine, but at the end of the day, we all have to choose one of these two poisons: the vaccine (there are usually many choices), or the virus. You cannot choose the option of having neither.

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin
    • 回复: @Beckow
  173. @ravin' lunatic

    Bret Weinstein’s interview of Pierre Kory (who has published a meta study on ivermectin) was zapped by youtube.

    So now, doctors with 100s of peer reviewed papers in high impact journals are silenced by 90 IQ big tech mods.

    • 回复: @BlackFlag
  174. Levtraro 说:
    @utu

    Pretty much all vaccines that were released for the internal market after passing the quality control have been used.

    Hilarous. You pretend to know things that nobody knows except people high up in the Russian sanitary system, and even those people probably only know what’s happening in their region.

    Why are you posing as such a insider of the Russian sanitary system, knowing supply and demand and even the magnitude of products passing quality control? Lol!

    • 回复: @Philip Owen
  175. reiner Tor 说:
    @Beckow

    Can a reasonable person surmise that your fear getting corona?

    Depending on his reading comprehension or imagination, he can surmise many things. My point was simple: long term, you either get the vaccine, or you are going to get infected. The longer you are going to live, the higher the probability of getting infected.

    The commenter I answered to was bragging about how he managed to avoid it for… one and a half years. Well yes, it’s possible to avoid it for one and a half years. But what about one and a half decades? Or several decades?

    I took the measles shot, but would I take it once a year, year after year…

    Do you fear the needle? I donate blood two-three times a year, so fear of needles is not an issue for me.

    I will cross that bridge when I get there. I took the meningitis vaccine twelve years ago, and now I will have to take another one, because after ten years the protection is gone. The Pfizer BioNTech vaccine was developed over a year ago and it’s still good. So my guess is that it cannot be more frequent than biannual, and I would expect less.

  176. Passer by 说:
    @Dmitry

    That is not true

    Search harder, almost everyone estimates UK recovery to 2019 levels by 2022.

    https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2021/06/bcc-forecast-uk-set-for-an-uneven-economic-recovery-despite-record-gdp-growth-2

    despite the negative impact of Brexit

    Recovery in the EU too is expected by 2022, see IMF data.

    So the lockdowns simply temporarily and often tautologically impact GDP,

    The impact was huge, thank god trillions were printed to cover it up. Before stimilus estimates were about -8,6 % GDP drop in the US, after trillions of dollars in stimulus it became -3,5 % drop.

    As per IMF, the global economy lost 2 years due to the pandemic. And that is with all the trillions in stimulus, otherwise you would have seen a great depression drop. And there are long term scarring effects, see various economists on the issue.

    Sure, the financial position of governments is significantly eroded compared to the non-pandemic scenario. But what is the raison d’être of a government to prioritize “strong financial position” during good times, if not for allowing it to have more space to maneuver during “bad times” events like pandemics.

    Very simple, the actual economic damage by the pandemic was huge, so it required trillions in government stimulus.

    If there will indeed be any drop caused by the lockdown (which is not clear at all)

    There is, see recent data for most countries. Although germanic Europe performed better in that regard.

    then it won’t effect actual fertility rates. TFR fluctuates up and down due to its design

    This is not what CBO demographers say. For the US, they estimate a hole that will not be compensated by future TFR spikes, rather a return to before pandemic TFR by 2026, thus worsening the demographic and fiscal situation of the US due to that.

    There is a crazt boom at the moment in areas like hi-tech investments. It’s not seeming very rational, but there is certainly an boom, and something like “crazy money”.

    Simple – the pandemic powers the IT sector via stay at home work, remote activities/transactions, people’s isolation from each other, etc. All of this causes virtualisation of society in order to avoid human contact, and that virtualisation powers the IT sector. Chinese tech exports benefited a lot from the pandemic too.

    The other reason is the huge amount of stimulus money floating around.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  177. Beckow 说:
    @reiner Tor

    …There is no third option in the long run.

    That may or may not be true. But in 2-3 years we will know a lot more about possible vaccination side-effects, the vaccines will get better, and we will see whether the corona virus has legs. It is generally agreed that lab-produced viruses weaken over time.

    For the next 2-3 years the best choice is to do nothing and wait for more data. That is especially true for younger people who face minimal risk from corona. So go ahead and test it for us. (I suppose mice were not readily available.)

    Regarding Pfizer and Wuhan: I don’t trust either one. Why would anyone trust Pfizer is beyond me. They are selling the stuff with a waiver on consequences, governments even do the advertising for them. As a businessman wouldn’t you sit back, collect the money and stay quiet?

  178. @Beckow

    People don’t die of flu shots. Flu isn’t a huge concern, even for the elderly (1% mortality), but I don’t fancy risking losing a week or two of productivity every year, so most years I get the flu shot (in years I’m too lazy to do it, I tend to regret it). Corona is going to be the new flu, but about 1 OOM more lethal and with potentially more severe long-term effects. I certainly don’t fancy spending several months with all food smelling like lentils (which is what happened to one friend in his mid-20s who got Corona, irony of this being compounded by him being an Indophobe), so I certainly plan to be even more conscientious about taking Corona shots however frequently they are needed to avoid getting the real thing.

    • 谢谢: Mr. Hack
    • 回复: @Beckow
  179. Levtraro 说:
    @utu

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere.

    I get that from you.

    Whatever was slated for internal use in Russia for this period by Kremlin decisions has been fully utilized.

    How could you possibly know that? Are you an insider in the Russian sanitary system?

    In fact your rhetoric betrays you. When you say “Whatever was slated …” you mean to say “I don’t have a freaking idea of how many Sputnik-V vaccines were allocated to the Russian population but I assert that all have been used and supply is a problem”.

    I hope you see now the stupidity of your position. As I have noted in other comments of yours, you are just a Russophobe or you play that role.

  180. @Vishnugupta

    Idk how trustful estimates here could be, but if I’m reading it correctly, it is possible that B.1.617.2 (Indian/Delta) variant is dominating now in RF (over 60% of cases), so that could explain recent begining uptick, despite late spring/early summer, which should be unfavourable time in theory for the virus to spread:

    https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=RUS&selected=AY.1&selected=B.1.1.7&selected=B.1.1.7%20%2B%20S%3AE484K&selected=B.1.617.2

    • 同意: Vishnugupta
    • 回复: @joniel
  181. joniel 说:
    @sudden death

    This is behaving pretty consistently with the Indian variant:

    One third of COVID-19 patients in Moscow are young people, deputy mayor says

    https://tass.com/society/1302175

    With too many covidiots, Russia will be forced into mandatory vaccinations.

    • 回复: @Vishnugupta
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  182. @joniel

    One advantage is vaccine hesitancy tends to evaporate very quickly once you see 5-20 people you actually know well dead or hospitalized/ gasping for oxygen as opposed to 1-2 distant acquaintances you barely know as was the case with the first wave last year and I’m guessing is presently the case with most anti vaxxers on this blog.

    Another tip:Whole Viron vaccines (in India’s case Covaxin) have been anecdotally found to be basically useless against this variant.So if you have the option avoid Sinopharm etc.AstraZeneca performed superbly no one I know who got even one shot required oxygen support or serious medical attention.

  183. @joniel

    I wonder if it’s a good idea to short Aeroflot. Russia probably soon going into the red zone so far as international travel goes, so might as well make money off the covidiots.

    • 回复: @silviosilver
  184. utu 说:
    @Levtraro

    “Thus according to your “logic” there is rationing in those various European countries “

    Absolutely, there was rationing in Europe and USA in the beginning. They were vaccinating nurses, policemen, old people first. If you were in 40s you had to wait long time. For this reason the curves of vaccinated vs. time were linear (just like in Russian) until they opened vaccination to everybody and only then we could see the effect of demand controlling the curve that eventually caused bending of the curve.

    Where do you see Russophobia in my comments pointing out manipulation and lies of Kremlin and Karlin that are libeling Russians by painting them to be ignorant anti-vaxxers just to hide the fact that the supply of vaccines is inadequate because Kremlin preferred to send almost 50% of all produced vaccines abroad for few bucks and dubious international PR effect. If Kremlin released all produced vaccines for internal market almost 20% of Russians would have been vaccinated by now. And Karlin would not need to write deceitful article libeling 90% of Russians that they opted for dying because they are bunch of ignoramuses.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Brás Cubas
  185. @utu

    For the umpteenth time (though you seem to be dead-set on not getting it), Sputnik V has been accessible to 每个人 for more than a couple of months now. In Jan-Feb it was rationed for the elderly and critical workers, then opened up to everyone else once the non-covidiot pensioners had had their shots.

    The only result of your proposals would have been millions of the first Sputnik V dose (the easier to produce component that is actually exported) thrown away. The vaccination rate would still be the 13% or so that it is today.

    • 回复: @g2k
  186. Passer by 说:
    @Rich

    Well, i have a relative that is now having memory problems and non-stop headache after Covid. Go and tell him that everything is fine.

    Covid kills brain cells. Plenty of studies on it. I guess its just the flu.

    As for Covid vaccines, there are all types of them, using all types of methods, including very old methods. Choose older method vaccine if you do not trust the newest vaccines.

    • 回复: @Rich
    , @RodW
  187. Mr. Hack 说:
    @joniel

    Thanks for the great information, and it does go a long way in explaining how the vaccine works, but I still don’t think that you nor the article that you’ve cited answers my question about how the vaccine could somehow negatively effect the body’s healthy state in the future?

    In my own little world, I know of two elderly people (>75) who’ve taken a vaccine to protect themselves from covid-19, and 可能有 experienced some otherwise negative reactions, including more memory loss. Still, I think that they were better off in getting vaccinated, as I fear that they would totally succumbed to the disease had they not gotten vaccinated.

  188. Passer by 说:
    @Dmitry

    Oh, one more thing. Delaying child birth no longer fixes itself in developed countries due to “TFR fluctuations”, because women have children later and later in life. But their body is not made for it.

    In other words, older women delaying birth more and more causes women to run into secondary inferility issues (hard to have a second child when you first gave birth at 35), which has negative impact on TFR in the long run.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  189. It is probably to the Russian government’s advantage that takeup is modest. Russia has the science. It does not have the production capacity. Russia’s equipment is lab scale. Russian firms have 52 bioracotrs on order to ferment the carriers. They won’t be dleivered and set up to run quickly. Then there are the tens of millions of eggs of specific grades, laid in sanitary conditions that are needed. Right now, Russia importers eggs for hatching in its chicken farms.

    Only a few countries can make vaccine in quantity. Russia isn’t one of them yet. Neither are Italy and Canada. India can but has no worthwhile vaccine technology of its own. The cries of “patent free vaccines” are basically a ramp for India pharmaceutical manufacturers. Anyway, AZ and Sputnik V come patent free, for now, anyway. The production capacity issue is why Russia is pushing hard with countries that do make vaccines the old fashioned way. Russia can claw back some of the production.

  190. @Vishnugupta

    6 years ago there was not enough oxygen in most Russian hospitals. I looked at it for a company making oxygen generators. The new cardiac and obstetric units were of course supplied to world standards but there were and are still a lot of Soviet era buildings around. They have generators for individual patients but not so many and certainly no hospital wide supply systems.

  191. Dmitry 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    systematically massage

    ? Systematically lie.

    More than a year ago I was daily naively reading statistics from stopcoronavirus, and make graphs – I had imagined I was reading some accurate information..

    I self-imagine that I am cynical, but here as usually, reality was much worse than I assumed.

    In terms of the most important disaster (deaths), not many countries (except Central Asian states, Belarus, Nicaragua, Azerbaijan) looks like providing such inaccurate medical statistics as Moscow. https://github.com/dkobak/excess-mortality

    Country Total COVID-19 https://www.unz.com/akarlin/7-million-deaths-from-corona/

    This doesn’t seem reliable, as the example I posted in the comments below the article, where Japan had negative excess deaths in the reporting period.

    Here are at least three problems:

    1. Least accurate statistics provided except for Belarus and some third world countries like Tajikistan and Nicaragua.
    2. Third highest deaths per capita in Europe after Bulgaria and Serbia. Sixth highest per capita deaths in the world (after Peru, Bulgaria, Serbia, Ecuador).
    3. One of the slowest rollout of vaccine in Europe.

    And despite that not long ago in Soviet times, there was supposed to be (according to US assessment of the 1970s) the most powerful anti-epidemic state capacity in the world.

    By the way, in terms of the vaccination rollout. We know there were 33 million vaccine produced in middle May (15 million were sent to foreign countries).

    This exactly as I said in December: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/soviet-corona/#comment-4373311

    Putin says today there are 18 million people that are vaccinated. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4856393

    Although this is somewhat, mysterious “Putin numbers”, because a month ago he said 21,5 million were vaccinated.
    https://www.rbc.ru/society/10/05/2021/609925ab9a7947d08cf6236b

    Overall, numbers of people who are vaccinated, generally seems to match kind of numbers of vaccines reported to be produced, and available domestically.

    Vaccine production curve for Sputnik vaccine only ramps up this month (June 2021 is the ramp up), and therefore will become relevant something like “anti-vax sentiment” when the production of vaccines will be over 30 million per month.

    While many countries polled high for anti-vaccination sentiment last year, I haven’t seen evidence that the latter has a been serious problem for vaccination rollout in early stages this year in any of these countries (even France, where anti-vax sentiment was highest in polls). It might still become a problem for achieving herd immunity, as the rate of vaccination starts to climb to higher numbers. That is, if you need to vaccinated 70% of the population, then the anti-vax sentiment might begin to become a serious problem. But here we are talking about the early stages of the rollout (and in Russia, Sputnik vaccine production ramps up this month).

    sovok anti-vaxx

    In Soviet times, vaccination was compulsory according to law, and promotion of “anti-vax” views would have been illegal, outside of a scientific community. Polio was defeated by mass vaccination, and using a Albert Sabin vaccine America has initially refused to fund. Popularity of anti-vax idea, is a feature of contemporary postsoviet society, in which vaccination is not compulsory, because the authorities would consider it too unpopular to make people vaccinated. This in the context where the elite has been prioritizing its image management (for political stability) during a pandemic, and its policy choices in other ways has also appeared determined significantly by presidential ratings (e.g. the unpopularity of the lockdown of May 2020).

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  192. Dmitry 说:
    @Passer by

    If fertility rates are below replacement, then raising the age of women at childbirth, will significantly increase the population ceteris paribus, for any future timepoint.

    Of course, this is the most simple logic, that a schoolchild knows, but in a more precise way was debated and resolved around a century ago. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jacques-Veron/publication/242359107_Alfred_J_Lotka_and_the_Mathematics_of_Population/links/59535f95aca272a343e5e066/Alfred-J-Lotka-and-the-Mathematics-of-Population.pdf

    People arguing about fertility rates, should use some minutes reading some papers of the 1920s-1930s, of summaries of them.

    negative impact on TFR

    TFR is the name of an estimator, that fluctuates (quite aggressively by design), not only due to changes of fertility rate. For the relevant input, population will be affected by the fertility rate.

    In real historical examples, we can see that fertility rate seems to be much less sensitive to temporary economic changes than you might have assumed.

  193. Rich 说:
    @Passer by

    I know several people who have had very bad reactions to all three of the gene therapy shots available in the US. Relatives who work in the medical field tell me about people in the hospital right now with breathing and circulatory problems who took the shot. Everyone I know who was sick from covid has recovered and is doing fine. How do you argue with the well credentialed scientists who say there is a high probability of future problems from the mrna version? This medication was released faster than any previous shot, and under normal circumstances use would have been suspended due to the high rate of deaths and illness that have been reported after taking the shot. I understand the urge to follow the crowd, to do what your government tells you to do, but look who’s in charge, used car salesmen and this guy Fauci who gets rich off of pharmaceutical stocks and patents. You trust this crew? I’ll take my chances, ride it out, if you make it, you can say, “I told you so.” If I turn out to be right… Well we’ll see. In a year or 3.

  194. Dmitry 说:
    @Passer by

    estimates UK recovery to 2019 levels by 2022.

    https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/news/2021/06/bcc-forecast-uk-set-for-an-uneven-economic-recovery-despite-record-gdp-growth-2

    At the current trajectory, it could be recovered in August.

    This is because excluding some industries like travel and tourism, much of the nature of lockdown’s effect on GDP is tautological – closing shops, restaurants and preventing consumption.

    When the lockdown is ended, then in a tautological way, GDP returns to the previous level before the lockdown – minus the effect of the travel restriction.

    Again, this is talking about specific effect of the lockdown (not of reduction of the travel and tourism, which is not related to the decision for a lockdown).

    IMF, the global economy lost 2 years due to the pandemic.

    My point is about lockdowns, not the effect of travel restrictions and so on. (Although if a country was successfully able to restrict travel and tourism, then this reduces the necessity for the lockdown – especially if combined with regional quarantine, as we saw in China).

    The effect of the lockdowns on GDP is therefore temporary, and this is seen where they have been released. (That’s not to say the pandemic itself is only causing temporary effect; but I am talking about rather the collapse of GDP that is attributed to a lockdown).

    USA and China already returned to pre-pandemic GDP levels this summer. https://www.businessinsider.com/economic-outlook-us-gdp-growth-estimate-atlanta-federal-reserve-forecast-2021-5

    demographers say. For the US, they estimate a hole that will not be compensated by future TFR spikes, rather a return to before pandemic TFR

    Future population is not dependent on TFR measurements, as was known in the 1920s.

    First of all, we need to distinguish fertility rate from TRF (the latter is a estimator).

    Fertility rate is the most significant input in stable population theory, although not the only one.

    As for TFR, it is fun for journalists, as a very fluctuating and crude estimator, that is varying in accelerated way due to its design.

    Intuitively, a claim that long term population replacement will be effected by choosing a few months of lockdown (closing shops and online school classes, etc), seems quite implausible. While choosing the lockdown is saving thousands of lives in many examples.

    If we look at historical examples, there were more severe political and economic crises than a few months of lockdown repeated a couple of times, that do not effect on the eventual fertility trajectory in a country.

    andemic powers the IT sector via stay at home work, remote activities/transactions, people’s isolation from each other, etc. All of this causes virtualisation of society in order to avoid human contact, and that virtualisation powers the IT sector

    I wouldn’t say the main reason is increase in demand, but rather that the lockdowns (which involves close of shops, restaurants and schools) have not effected this sector.

    If a politician chooses lockdown (close shops, restaurants and schools) to manage the epidemic, then there will be a tautological collapse of GDP, but this a pause of consumption in those specific venues.

    Stopping people from eating in restaurants, will tautologically remove the restaurant component of the GDP in those months.

    Lockdowns and travel restrictions, have to some extent disrupted supply chains, that negatively effected even businesses like online shopping.

    But the effect of lockdown on many hi-tech industries, was only that the office has to re-configure some of its practices, reduction of meetings, and of many more people working from home. There was some months of adjustment and inconvenience, but most of capital already existed to allow people to continue working.

    As for crazy money and boom we are seeing now, it is surely partly related to government financial policy and stimulus.

    • 回复: @Passer by
  195. @Svevlad

    Clownworld exacerbates the problem, but it didn’t cause it. Fringe loons have always existed. (Since I’ve been alive anyway.) They’re passionate fuckers and there’s nothing they love more than accosting people with their unwanted opinions.

    • 回复: @Pericles
  196. @RodW

    taking the vaccine is a sure way of receiving something potentially sinister directly from a lab

    Directly from one of those dark, satanic 实验室. Scary shit.

  197. Beckow 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You take a flu-shot most years and seem to claim that it works. You use it as an analogy to Corona. Here is the actual statistic on flu shots from WebMD:

    On average, it’s been 40% effective, meaning it’s prevented illness 40% of the time. Since health officials started tracking it in 2003, effectiveness has varied from year to year, ranging from a low of 10% in 2004-05 to a high of 60% in 2010-11.

    What is one to think about argumentation like that? Am I missing something? The stuff about lentil smell is just weird, an ad hoc unverifiable story. In any case, changes to the smell sense would not be considered an epidemic at any point in human history. But since you took the shot, you would like everyone else to do it. We understand.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  198. SveVid 说:

    Another pro vax propaganda post…by someone claiming he is intelligent. What a joke!

  199. Dmitry 说:
    @utu

    These countries like Hungary, Czech Republic, Poland, Israel, were successful in terms of lockdown that has minimized the first wave.

    Disaster was in the second and third wave.

    However, they all have relatively been successful in terms of vaccine rollout (especially Israel and Hungary). But both Israel and Hungary had failed to install sufficient lockdown during the vaccine rollout.

    By comparison, in Russia and Ukraine, there was a combination of good fortune (to be not highly integrated with global travel) and successful lockdown policy to push the first wave into the summer. But since then, there has been only disasters.

    俄罗斯不够透明,我们无法知道发生了什么。

    Disaster in Russia was not that complicated to follow.

    Initial attempts at travel restrictions sounded impressive, but was like a leaking sieve. I was posting comments from Facebook that showed this at the time.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-corona/#comment-3769819

    However, government has responsibly locked down from late April (saving thousands of lives, pushing first wave into summer weather), however with very limited financial support to the population during this. As a result, was collapse of ratings and public discontent.

    In the first wave, the most stupid thing was lack of regionalized quarantine located specifically on Moscow, and the use of lockdown across regions of the country with very little virus. This was opposite of the Chinese experience, where they used regional lockdown against the area where the virus was spreading (Wuhan).

    There was a reduction of restrictions ahead plebiscite to “zero” Putin’s terms in June, and virus circulated through the summer at a low level.

    In addition, there has been very low information transparency. With inevitable second wave, the federal government has adopted a laissez-faire attitude, and allowed local government to decide, effectively allowed virus to pass through the population. This is like the supposed “Swedish policy”, that Boris Johnson had also seemed to propose earlier in 2020, before changing fortunately his direction.

    During the deadly second wave, local authorities have their own confusing regulations.

    For example, by December, activists were alerting police to breakup new year’ parties. But whatever were local different anti-epidemic, policies were increasingly confused, even in the way local journalists have understood them.

  200. @Anatoly Karlin

    I wouldn’t go public with your trading ideas. Not because someone is going to “steal your ideas,” but because it makes it that much harder to admit it if you’ve been wrong. That risk is greatly magnified in your case imo, because you like to sound smart and knowledgeable. On the other hand, hey, knock yourself out.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  201. RodW 说:
    @Passer by

    I have a friend who got those issues, plus numbness of the extremities and a black tongue, from the Pfizer vaccine. She considered suicide for a while, and was recommended to kill herself by large numbers of malicious vaxxers.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  202. reiner Tor 说:
    @RodW

    I totally believe this story. Fortunately at the end of the day she took a brave stand against the malicious vaxxers, and then everyone clapped.

  203. RodW 说:
    @reiner Tor

    I live in Japan, where the disease is variously said to be being managed well or disastrously badly.

    Again you indulge in a straw man when you characterise me as ‘bragging’. I’m simply stating the facts of the matter.

    Since the start of the alleged pandemic, I’ve traveled all over Japan meeting strangers on business and eating and drinking with them. I’ve rarely worn a mask or sanitised my hands. I ask people wherever I go if they know anyone who has had the corona and their answers suggest that the disease exists only anecdotally. Note that I’m not denying that it exists. I’m only stating what observable facts indicate. In contrast, in a normal year, I usually know several people who get the flu.

    So it’s still a false dichotomy that you’re insisting on, especially since it isn’t known how much of any population has natural immunity to Covid-19. Nor has much attention been paid to the question as far as I can tell.

  204. g2k 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hate to be devil’s advocate here, but, whilst anyone can get it relatively easily now, there’s obviously low demand, if everybody suddenly started becoming good citizens, would supply shortages not then start to be an issue? (That’s meant as a question, not a statement)

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  205. Pericles 说:
    @reiner Tor

    (There seems to be something odd going on with the comment chain at the moment. Some of my replies seem to have turned into standalone comments? Ron Unz, please stop fiddling around with the code.)

    Also it’s incompatible (or at least difficult to reconcile) with these theories, or at least most of them. “Big Pharma is powerful enough to force the planet to get vaccinated with dangerous and useless vaccines, only to make money, but it isn’t powerful enough to negotiate a high enough price to actually make some real money.”

    Note that I was commenting on this statement:

    如果您投资了大型制药公司,那么您不仅会在投资加密货币或大型科技公司,甚至整个市场方面都蒙受损失。

    This makes theories that 疫苗 are a Big Pharma money-making scheme hard to credit.

    • 回复: @reiner Tor
  206. Pericles 说:
    @silviosilver

    Clownworld exacerbates the problem, but it didn’t cause it. Fringe loons have always existed. (Since I’ve been alive anyway.) They’re passionate fuckers and there’s nothing they love more than accosting people with their unwanted opinions.

    Thing is, in Clown World, the fringe loons are embedded right in the center. The politicians, bureaucrats and media are passionate loons, which erodes public trust and leaves the field open for the former fringe loons to also have their say.

    • 同意: reiner Tor
  207. reiner Tor 说:
    @Pericles

    But that comment also contained a tweet about how politicians were never going to allow that. So the argument was more complex.

    Also, Big Pharma could force the useless vaccines on the governments to make money, but then it couldn’t force them to pay a higher price to actually make a decent profit? It’s just not likely.

    • 回复: @Pericles
  208. Pericles 说:
    @reiner Tor

    Very well, let’s add that to the argument. Note that it’s still is just about vaccines, not about Big Pharma forcing society, etc. The way Big Pharma forced society was arguably in 迟滞 the release of the vaccines until after the election, but in general society and government really wanted vaxx. Operation Warp Speed and all that.

    如果您投资了大型制药公司,那么您不仅会在投资加密货币或大型科技公司,甚至整个市场方面都蒙受损失。

    这使得关于疫苗是大型制药公司赚钱计划的理论难以相信。

    Vaccines were priced in. Populism was never going to allow Big Pharma to extract 显著 profits from Corona vaccines, so furthermore, it was never even going to be worth much in the first place.

    This still doesn’t show that developing a vaccine was not a money-making scheme. It seems like a quick low-cost project with a great deal of potential. Let us consider the various points above in order.

    Are you putting some hidden meaning on ‘money-making scheme’? I would expect them to make a quite tidy sum out of their vaccines, including more vaxxing to come, future booster shots, lack of liability and so on. It’s supposed to be an endemic disease now, isn’ it? Money: made.

    Or is the point that Big Pharma should have bought crypto or at least S&P 500 for their vaxx R&D budget? Possibly true yet unlikely unless your CEO or SVP Research is Elon Musk.

    Or that they should have terminated the project once they considered that governments might renege? But that would mean zero dollars revenue, truly not a money making scheme. Probably better to risk it, and perhaps the losses can be recovered by increasing shipping costs on account of the finicky supply chain.

    That seems to be the argument. But as far as I can see, it’s still a money making scheme, one that was intended as such.

  209. melanf 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    These statistical manipulations aren’t widely known. Those who do know about them (e.g. people who understand what “excess mortality”

    It’s not that simple here (about “manipulations”). Excess mortality includes

    1)people who (without being sick with coronavirus) died due to the fact that hospitals were overflowing with coronavirus patients
    2) people who successfully overcame the coronavirus, but died later (without being sick with coronavirus) from the effects of the coronavirus. According to the calculations of the journal Nature, such people are almost twice as likely to die from other diseases

  210. melanf 说:
    @utu

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere…

    The reality given to us in the observations is that I and the people I know were vaccinated without any problems months ago. Vaccinate everywhere without the slightest problems. These are facts that are available to direct observation (and not through telivisor and other media). From people (whom I know), I know that the same situation is all over the country.

    In most regions there are different programs to attract people to vaccination – people are given money for vaccination, food packages, tickets for performances, various bonuses, etc. Advertising of vaccination is everywhere – for example, when you buy a ticket for the train, the vending machine shows advertising of vaccination.

    I will not argue with you further, I am not interested in conspiracy theory

    • 同意: Anatoly Karlin
  211. @Dmitry

    Russia has much higher anti-vaxx sentiment even than France, in international surveys, only Ukraine is lower. If only 40% even agree to it in principle, and most of that 40% is no rush to get it, then that’s sufficient to explain today’s rates.

    • 回复: @Dmitry
  212. @Beckow

    You take a flu-shot most years and seem to claim that it works.

    Yes, it’s efficacy isn’t high, but if it does happen, symptoms are greatly reduced.

    The stuff about lentil smell is just weird, an ad hoc unverifiable story.

    Actually not an infrequently observed phenomenon (Parosmia).

    But since you took the shot, you would like everyone else to do it. We understand.

    No, as per above, I don’t care at this point.

    我现在对“其他人”都死了也没什么问题,希望越快越好,这样我当地的美食广场和健身房就会在出现新浪潮时停止关闭(就像今天一样)并降低我的生活质量。

    • 回复: @Beckow
  213. @g2k

    Correct. But in that case, it is exports that are going to be squeezed. The demand surge will need to be 2x+ for supply constraints to kick in. A surge on that scale seems unlikely.

  214. @silviosilver

    I am pretty open about my gambling adventures: https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1396572521730805760

    Aeroflot short is too tempting not to do. I’ll stand behind it (though this shouldn’t be construed as financial advice): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1404019709792731137

  215. 我讨厌接种疫苗,但仍然有正式义务在地铁和其他公共室内场所戴口罩

    You shouldn’t resent it. Argentinian president Alberto Fernández took the Sputnik V and had Covid-19 with symptoms. That means he could transmit the virus (he recovered). So, wear a mask.

  216. @Anatoly Karlin

    Here’s a story that says Delta (Indian) is “more severe” (though it doesn’t explicitly use the word “deadly”, my take is that severity correlates with mortality):

    Gangrene, Hearing Loss Show Delta Variant May Be More Severe
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-loss-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severe

  217. melanf 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    我还没有看到任何令人信服的证据表明较新的 Corona 菌株的毒性明显更强,而不仅仅是逐渐更具传染性。

    Denis Logunov (the creator of Sputnik V) right now explained to the country’s leadership (at the state award ceremony) that the Indian strain is now the most dangerous, because it” deceives ” the immune system (including vaccine immunity – the vaccine protects, but less effectively)

    https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/moscow-and-indian-strains-sars-cov-2

  218. @utu

    I don’t think your hypothesis is very likely.

    Moscow Announces Car Raffle to Boost Vaccination Drive
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/13/moscow-announces-car-raffle-to-boost-vaccination-drive-a74201

    Russia has been eager to sell vaccines to Brazil. We have at last authorized them for emergency use, but with some puzzling limiting quotas imposed by the regulating entity. So, if we are not importing more it’s probably not due to lack of availability.

    • 回复: @sudden death
    , @utu
  219. reiner Tor 说:
    @GazaPlanet

    Unlikely, as the hospitals would have been quickly overwhelmed, making it impossible to treat any other illnesses there. Just remember, if hospitals are full of covid patients, not only would there be insufficient capacity to treat anyone else, but also the risk of infecting any other patient would be enormous. And who is covid the most dangerous for? Yes, people already hospitalized for some other illness are precisely the most vulnerable to covid.

  220. reiner Tor 说:
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    did I miss the reference to the Danish study or is it not there?

    Well it’s a meta-study from January, whereas the study you cited was AFAIK published in December, so the authors might not even have been aware of it when they wrote it. (Provided I found the same study you are referencing here, see my link below.)

    I also don’t think that the Danish Study is the be all, end all of science. My point last month was exactly that there are many studies, some of which are bad or not replicable.

    The DANMASK-19 study was of course a way more modest study than you claim. It’s certainly not the absolutely decisive science after which the only rational conclusion is to throw away your masks. For one, it did find a small (roughly 10%) reduction in risk, which is certainly not nothing, but it’s not statistically significant. Because a risk reduction of 20% would not even be detected by this study, due to the not large enough sample size. What this means in simple English is written out explicitly in the conclusions, that the “findings were inconclusive and cannot definitively exclude a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection of mask wearers in such a setting.” So it doesn’t mean that there is no risk reduction, rather it’s more likely that there is some risk reduction, but masks don’t give you a lot of protection, just some protection. (I’d have told you before that for free.)

    There are certain other issues.

    ”Compliance with wearing face masks was assessed, which is important in a public health intervention, with 46% of participants wearing the mask as recommended and 47% predominantly as recommended.”

    What this means is that the effects might be somewhat underestimated here, because many subjects were not wearing the masks properly. If I want to know how much masks improve my chances, then I would discard the people who didn’t always wear them properly.

    https://www.thebottomline.org.uk/summaries/danmask-19/

    you can argue source control if you want (lol)

    Here you are not being reasonable. If a person infected with the flu sneezed at you, would you rather he had a mask or you had? Obviously it the droplets reach your mask, they can find their way to your mouth or nose. It’s certainly not very difficult. But if they are stuck at the mask of the infected person?

    • 回复: @Beckow
  221. @Brás Cubas

    Russia has been eager to sell vaccines to Brazil. We have at last authorized them for emergency use, but with some puzzling limiting quotas imposed by the regulating entity. So, if we are not importing more it’s probably not due to lack of availability.

    Were those Sputnik quality issues found in Brazil (some live cold virus inside, capable to multiply, IIRC) resolved in new imported emergency use batches or those were same old, just regulating entity decided it was not that dangerous thing afterall?

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
    , @melanf
  222. @sudden death

    To be frank, I didn’t quite reach an understanding of how that issue was resolved. But bear in mind that all the alleged problems raised by ANVISA (Brazilian CDC) were solely based on reading of the vaccine-related documents. No actual tests were performed. I would guess those alleged issues were not fully resolved, since now they authorized it with limiting quotas (maximum 1% of the population can take them, i.e., maximum 4 million doses may be purchased).

  223. Beckow 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    …I am now just as fine with “everyone else” dying, hopefully the sooner the better

    Since we are in the fantasy land now, how about those of us untouched by either Wuhan lab bats or Pfizer magic potion watch as you annually poke yourself until inflamed heart muscles give up or your neurons go haywire. Or everything starts tasting like lentils.

    I suspect that there is an inverse correlation between high IQ and biological survival (BQ). Maybe gods hate competition. Or maybe high IQ types are too lazy to have and protect their offspring. In any case, we will be here in the long run, you might not. It must be worth that food court binge.

    • 回复: @Mr. Hack
  224. Beckow 说:
    @reiner Tor

    We have been sneezing for a few thousand years and mankind has survived. You are right, viruses spread and make us uncomfortable. They can kill, mostly the weak. That’s the way it is, the general setup we were given. It’s not ideal.

    Isolation or obsessive fear of disease are not going to fix any of it and are going to cause other issues. We can wear masks and helmets since head injuries can be fatal. We can ban horse riding, short sleeves in woods (lime disease!), long water slides for kids, un-chewed meat for the old. We will still get sick and some will die.

    There is a small protection that we could get from wearing masks – if worn 正确. We could lynch anyone who coughs in public, issue permits and digital passports, track variants ad infinitum – there will be an infinite number of them, that’s biology.

    And then nothing will change, except life will be impoverished. People will still die and get sick, viruses will still exist. The ones who adapt and learn how to live with it will own the future. It is starting to look like it will not be the smarter, European types – they are too fussy and too un-biological. This could be the coup-de-grace for the Western civilisation. Great music, technology, even some good culture – but they just cannot cut it in the dirt. And the world is mostly dirt.

  225. melanf 说:
    @sudden death

    Were those Sputnik quality issues found in Brazil (some live cold virus inside, capable to multiply, IIRC)

    The Monday announcement left many scientists and media outlets believing Anvisa had directly tested Sputnik V for replicating adenoviruses, which would be unusual for a regulatory agency. But Anvisa has since clarified— _it had not_ and was relying on information provided by the Gamaleya National Center of Epidemiology and Microbiology, the Moscow-based developer of the vaccine设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/04/russias-covid-19-vaccine-safe-brazils-veto-sputnik-v-sparks-lawsuit-threat-and

    • 同意: Brás Cubas
    • 谢谢: reiner Tor
    • 回复: @Aedib
  226. Hunter 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    To be honest the seat belt comparison was really strange because ALL cars today come with seat belts. So it isn’t as if a seat belt mandate was going to ever generate extra profits for car companies anyway. They were mandating that people wear external safety devices that already came with the car. The helmet comparison was slightly more relevant insofar as most motorbikes don’t come with helmets and you have to buy them separately, though still a rather poor comparison.

  227. Dmitry 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    According to Putin yesterday, there have been 12,3% of the total population vaccinated up to now.

    Anti-vax sentiment will become a problem when the vaccination rate is higher – for example, it could prevent high enough vaccinations rates for “herd immunity” (although in combination with natural immunity the vaccinations should be sufficient to attain herd immunity eventually).

    In terms of Sputnik vaccine, there is supposed to the ramp up this month, at least if they still follow the ramp up plans discussed in December.

  228. Aedib 说:
    @melanf

    I thought it was mainly a political issue with Bolsonaro trying to please his American masters by torpedoing the Sputnik-V in Latin America.

    • 回复: @melanf
  229. Mr. Hack 说:
    @Beckow

    inflamed heart muscles give up or your neurons go haywire. Or everything starts tasting like lentils.

    Urban myth (of which we know you’re a big fan ) or something to be real concerned about? What percentage of those inoculated will come down with these dreary symptoms?

    Lentils are really getting a bad rap lately. They’re supposedly one of the biggest causes of “leaky gut” syndrome. Tell me its not true (I do enjoy eating chili) 🙂

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  230. @Mr. Hack

    It’s pretty funny how Beckow has turned my actual IRL anecdote about someone who got parosmia for several months (a recognized symptom of “long COVID”) into a fantasy about how you will get it through vaccines (I’m familiar with no such cases).

    • 谢谢: Mr. Hack
    • 回复: @Beckow
  231. Beckow 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I literally started my post with:

    Since we are in the fantasy land now…

    Do you guys take everything this seriously? Come on AK, you used to do better. Maybe the vaccine is getting to you – new side effect: after vaccination people are so scared about what they did to their bodies that they lose sense of humor. That may actually be happening.

    Lentils are fine, my grandma said they make us “good looking”…so have some more.

    • 回复: @Mr. Hack
  232. @utu

    The information we have is contradictory. Maybe Russia expects to be able to ramp up production quickly as the demand appears. Do you really think Putin would be risking his image by concurrently abetting anti-vaxxing in Russia offering cars to people who vaccinate themselves?

  233. @melanf

    I saw Small Pox eradicated 100% through vaccination; but then those were the days when things worked the way they were supposed to work. One shot, you are immune for life.

    • 回复: @melanf
    , @Vishnugupta
  234. melanf 说:
    @Aedib

    (from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Annual Report)

    • 同意: Aedib
    • 谢谢: AltanBakshi, reiner Tor
  235. melanf 说:
    @Old Brown Fool

    Smallpox was an obvious threat to everyone. Coronavirus devilishly plays on human psychology – “I am young and healthy, only old people die from covid, so I will not be vaccinated/perform anti-epidemic measures.” If covid killed with the same probability (and in the same terrible way) like Ebola, humanity would have suppressed the epidemic long ago, and there would have been orders of magnitude fewer victims

    • 回复: @Old Brown Fool
  236. Mr. Hack 说:
    @Beckow

    So, just for the record (and to be perfectly fair to you), what exactly are you trying to say about the long term effects of getting a vaccination??…

  237. @Old Brown Fool

    That’s because viruses like smallpox and polio have coexisted with humans since before the dawn of civilization and the virus structure has stabilized over millenia.

    This is why vaccines developed in the 1950s still work very well against these viruses.

    Covid is the polar opposite, a lab created frankenvirus which is getting more lethal over time unlike any other virus.

    Covid was basically another flu in 2020 for healthy adults in their 30s.I personally know no one who required hospitalization last year.

    There are countless examples of healthy adults who have died after contracting covid this April.
    I personally knew 5 of them.

    Now there is a new triple mutant variant first detected in Eastern India a few months ago.

  238. @utu

    15 million have been fully vaccinated in Russia. 33 million vaccines have been administered.

    You know what this means? As I have said before there are 1. Vaccines manufactured 2. Vaccines distributed to the regions… and then 3. Vaccines ready to be administered to the people.

    33 million vaccines given means that domestically, 55 – 60 million doses have been physically produced.

    What’s also important to know is that “60 million vaccines” produced by June is EXACTLY what the authorities said at the end of January. So I don’t know what you are moaning about.

    If you look through then you will see they have produced exactly what they claimed. Only thing to query is the interchangeability of officials confusing “doses” with “people” ( I. E. not dividing by 2) for PR, but that is all.

    One thing you are correct about is on the availability vs demand. Karlin is talking garbage. The consumption of vaccines in Russia relative to those available to administer is 75-80%,which is actually similar and even better than in the US.

    But these things cancel themselves out….. more people would have got Sputnik vaccines if flights on holiday to Turkey were not stopped due to the further outbreak there.

  239. Passer by 说:
    @Dmitry

    At the current trajectory

    Things in the economy do not follow never-changing trajectories. Usually there is a spike and then some flattening. Since the vast majority of economists, including the IMF and OECD, estimate UK recovery by 2022, i will stick with that. This is the widely estimated date for EU too.

    This is because excluding some industries like travel and tourism, much of the nature of lockdown’s effect on GDP is tautological – closing shops, restaurants and preventing consumption.

    No, there are also other problems, such as the long term scarring effects caused by the pandemic that i mentioned. See OECD and IMF studies on the issue. Seacrh for “pandemic scarring effects”

    The effect of the lockdowns on GDP is therefore temporary,

    Its not, there is persistent GDP gap caused by the pandemic.

    https://voxeu.org/article/social-and-economic-costs-covid-19

    USA and China already returned to pre-pandemic GDP levels this summer

    Do you know that the US added 5 trillions dollars in stimulus, in order to get to that point? 25 % of GDP, this is really, really huge. Without that, recovery would have taken far longer, see the older IMF estimates without the government stimulus.

    中国

    China did a very good job in dealing with the pandemic. And even there, there was a huge government spending stimulus to stop the economic drop.

    Future population is not dependent on TFR measurements, as was known in the 1920s

    These are old and obsolete views. Birth delay for young women isn’t much of a problem, it can be easily recovered later, and this is what the situation in the world was up to now, but birth delay for masses of older women, as is increasingly the situation in developed countries these days, is a problem.

    Because older women run into infertility issues, which means that birth delays get increasingly harder to recover (or never recover) and you get a downward TFR trend due to that.

    I wouldn’t say the main reason is increase in demand, but rather that the lockdowns (which involves close of shops, restaurants and schools) have not effected this sector.

    Well this is what i’m saying. The nature of the pandemic decreases human to human contact and it increases virtualisation of society, which in turn powers the IT sector. Chinese tech exports performed very well during the pandemic. Lots of computers, phones, gaming consoles, various IT equipment, etc were exported by China.

  240. @melanf

    True; one thing from this mandemic is now people will treat every cold with suspicion; the whole Coronavirus family will be now hunted. A murderer in the family of pickpockets will cause the whole family to be chased out…

  241. One more note in relation to utu’s persistent claims:

    Is this Western hack also making things up like me, melanf, AP, etc?

    ***

    From the replies to another of Yaffa’s Tweets. Some Russians paying 10-20k rubles for fake vaccination certificates, LOL.

    https://baza.io/posts/ac4e2515-10f5-4c60-b6cd-fbee4e318feb

    But confirms what I was saying earlier – dying from Corona in Russia has long been a choice (a dumb one, but a choice nonetheless).

    In comparison, the only people (trying to) pay for fake vaccine certificates in the US are Daily Stormer reader types (i.e. total marginals).

  242. BlackFlag 说:
    @jimmyriddle

    It’s still on YouTube.

    It’s advocates seem like the real deal, data seems solid, no conflict of interests cause there is no money, and it’s extremely safe anyway.
    Strange that nobody on unz talks about it.

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