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The previous Open Thread is now well over 1,000 comments, so I’m opening a new one.

I’ll take this opportunity to note that RT just today published a short piece highlighting the remarkable recent statements of Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University.

Prof. Sachs had spent two years chairing the Lancet commission that originally concluded that the Covid virus was probably natural, a verdict soon universally adopted by the Western media. But in the last few months, Sachs publicly changed his position, now arguing that the virus probably came from a laboratory and calling for an independent inquiry into its possible American origins. This stunning reversal has been totally ignored by our entire MSM.

Moreover, speaking at a Spanish thinktank conference a couple of weeks ago he explicitly said he was “pretty convinced” that the virus “came out of US lab biotechnology.” Once again, this explosive statement was totally ignored by our media but has now appeared in RT. His crucial remarks can be seen at this point in the Youtube video:

As many are probably aware, for more than two years I’ve been almost alone in arguing that the Covid outbreak was very likely an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), so it’s now very nice to have an academic figure as prominent as Sachs move towards my conclusions on several crucial points.

The Rumble video interviews in which I discussed my analysis have now accumulated well over a half-million views so here’s the link to the most popular of them:

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  1. Everything is connected. It always felt like a biological attack.

  2. The details of the C19 research and release, potential targets and mistakes are impossible to know. Maybe in a few years, if that.

    What we see is how different countries reacted:

    – China quickly and fully shut down in what looked like they thought they were under a bio attack.
    – Russia behaved as if they were warned to be wary of C19, prepared their defenses, but looked disengaged as if they were neither the source nor the target.
    – Europeans seemed to follow remote orders: they were slow to react, inconsistent, confused, but eventually implemented a uniform response.
    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
    – Interestingly, the deep refuge countries for the West – Canada, Australia, New Zealand – were the most protected, most isolated, almost closed off. As if the fall-back territories had to be kept totally isolated, just in case.
    – The rest of the world was left to fend for itself. In some places that meant there was literally no C19 and no rational explanation exists why that was the case, e.g. Africa.

    There can be other reasons for the above: culture, economy. If there is another C19 (C22-23) wave we may learn more. What is almost certain is that the official story is not the complete truth. Whether it is the opposite of the truth, or something in between, who knows…vaccines that don’t work, shutdowns…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    What we see is how different countries reacted:...

    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
     
    I think you're a Central European, and therefore might have a very misleading impression of events in America. The reaction of the American government to the Covid outbreak was utterly disastrous and incompetent, relative to the resources it deployed among the worst anywhere in the world. For example, here's a late 2019 chart showing the expected effectiveness of different countries to a possible disease epidemic:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/map-epidemic-preparedness-index.jpg

    Trump and his top people initially ignored the virus or argued that it wasn't dangerous or would go away by itself. They demonstrated absolutely no sense of the seriousness of the situation, and our CDC botched the production of a testing kit so the government couldn't even determine whether the virus was spreading. As a result, America suffered well over a million deaths---probably more like 1.3M---plus two years of disorganized, intermittent lockdowns that totally disrupted ordinary lives and the economy. That's as bad a combination of deaths and disruption as was found anywhere in the world.

    All of that very strongly demonstrates that Trump and his government had certainly not been behind the Covid outbreak or aware of its danger. As I've emphasized in my articles and interviews, the attack was very likely carried out by a small group of rogue elements in the Trump administration. If you're interested, here's my latest podcast interview from a couple of weeks ago:

    https://www.unz.com/CONTENTS/AUDIO/kbarrett/KB-TJ_2022-0615_unz_web.mp3
    I think most of your other international evaluations are similarly mistaken. For example, most African countries have extremely poor public health statistics and the one exception---South Africa---has recorded a huge number of Covid deaths, at least relative to the youth and weight of its population. Similarly, the dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Unfortunately, a large fraction of everything you find about Covid on the Internet is just total nonsense.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    More worrying is that the same anti-democratic, mind-control or psyop techniques that were used to coerce ( or much harsher than that) people into getting vaccinated , or following strict procedures, or to weigh up the risk of going to hospital for a broken leg with the risk of getting infected from going there (LOL).......were repackaged directly into this anti-Russia, fake pro "Ukraine" hysteria and fascism that we are seeing from western audiences.

    I think of business lobbying, even corruption in a much better light now, compared to this total dictation to business/industries by the government.......and the fake-woke CEO's who seem ready to take up the ass to accept this garbage.

    The same process has happened in reverse also. The worst example of mass death or murder to hit "Ukrainians " since WW2 has been the refusal to allow Sputnik-V in the country - with the result that there was an abysmally low vaccination-rate, the worst in all of Europe even though millions of Ukrainians rely on remittances from countries that required vaccination. Ukrainian population is russian mentality......and were highly proud and trusting to Soviet practice and very successful vaccination history. Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine as this is the one Ukrainians would have been most receptive to taking - but of course the Nazi authorities and their EU masters did not allow it for fear of creating Russian "victory". Banning that, of course made most "Ukrainians" extremely suspicious of the western vaccines. All this in a country where most of the testing-kit was Russian!

    Not that I am in favour of mandatory vaccination - just that greater importance of taking it there must be in a country with an abysmal hospital system as 404, and which treats their elderly with such disrespect whenever trying to further their gayropa agenda.

    Replies: @Beckow

  3. Do voice actors have higher verbal IQ even though they are always reading scripts?

    That is my impression. Maybe, higher than regular actors, as they are less chosen for their looks. Possibly verbal tilt.

    • Replies: @tamako
    @songbird

    That's unsurprising, especially when you account for how most of them host or participate in live events, and have their own regular radio shows or web programs. Even if most of those exist simply to promote some [anime/game/multimedia franchise] and stick to some sort of script, they still need to have the ability to react to anything on the fly.

    I am, of course, ignoring the voice actors who end up acting out their characters in stage plays or in MC segments in live concerts.

    Replies: @songbird

  4. Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.
     
    That's certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from "chatter" on the Western Internet. But there's actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn't. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob

  5. , from the previous thread…

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym

    These can be seen as nearly analogous in their potential wankery.

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don’t don’t care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I’m quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I’ve met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I’m more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it’s bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

    In my mind the culturally ideal concept doesn’t have to be exclusionary, but can encompass a balance of all the best traits. One should be well read and intellectually mature, with the ability and will to put that knowledge to practice, while also being physically competent and fit. The mind and body are both tools to be kept sharp and in top condition, and it’s a shame to ignore either one. If I could unilaterally dictate cultural norms the ideal man would equally embody the aspects of warrior, priest, and scholar. But sadly I think I missed the deadline for getting on the ballot for Omnidimensional Overlord of the Infinite Multiverses, so I’m afraid I’ll have little chance of implementing.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa


    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhdvIpFYIfA
    , @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I don't think we disagree, actually. My disagreement with songbird was that he was too rash in discounting bookreading. Which is ironic, given that I approvingly quoted Schopenhauer a few months ago.

    The art of not reading is a very important one. It consists in not taking an interest in whatever may be engaging the attention of the general public at any particular time. When some political or ecclesiastical pamphlet, or novel, or poem is making a great commotion, you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public. A precondition for reading good books is not reading bad ones: for life is short.
     

    Being overly bookish to the point of neglecting the outside world and being a passive consumer is not helpful - perhaps even harmful.

    My case is simply that our cultural zeitgeist has swung too far towards the jock (not even the warrior) at the expense of the scholar. In restoring balance the pendulum has to swing back.

    After all, being "hyperpresent" and in constant need of stimuli from the world writ large makes you barely more than a mere amoeba. 'Roided up gymrats don't make history. They don't even get to write it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mikhail
    @Barbarossa


    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don’t don’t care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I’m quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I’ve met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I’m more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it’s bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.
     

    You provide two extremes.

    It's better to be well read, with a practical understanding of the acquired knowledge, while being fit in an all around way that improves flexibility, speed, strength and stamina.

  6. @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend, from the previous thread...

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym
     
    These can be seen as nearly analogous in their potential wankery.

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don't don't care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I'm quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I've met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I'm more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it's bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it's own sake, it just must be moderated.

    In my mind the culturally ideal concept doesn't have to be exclusionary, but can encompass a balance of all the best traits. One should be well read and intellectually mature, with the ability and will to put that knowledge to practice, while also being physically competent and fit. The mind and body are both tools to be kept sharp and in top condition, and it's a shame to ignore either one. If I could unilaterally dictate cultural norms the ideal man would equally embody the aspects of warrior, priest, and scholar. But sadly I think I missed the deadline for getting on the ballot for Omnidimensional Overlord of the Infinite Multiverses, so I'm afraid I'll have little chance of implementing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend, @Mikhail

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

  7. Apparently, there are several German rocket companies now. HyImpulse, Isar Aerospace, and RFA. They all seem to be developing small, three-stage rockets. Probably too many of them for them all to be a success.

    But it would be a pretty big break with recent political history, if Germany did start launching its own rockets again.

    • Replies: @Right_On
    @songbird

    They're already making state-of-the-art stealth U-boats with air-independent propulsion. Imagine what Dönitz could have achieved with them!

    Replies: @songbird

  8. @songbird
    Do voice actors have higher verbal IQ even though they are always reading scripts?

    That is my impression. Maybe, higher than regular actors, as they are less chosen for their looks. Possibly verbal tilt.

    Replies: @tamako

    That’s unsurprising, especially when you account for how most of them host or participate in live events, and have their own regular radio shows or web programs. Even if most of those exist simply to promote some [anime/game/multimedia franchise] and stick to some sort of script, they still need to have the ability to react to anything on the fly.

    I am, of course, ignoring the voice actors who end up acting out their characters in stage plays or in MC segments in live concerts.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @tamako

    Don't really know about their backgrounds, but I suspect that a lot were mimics in childhood, and I imagine that has some correlation with verbal IQ.

  9. A123 says: • Website

    Even Mr. Unz has conceded that the virus was not released by the Trump administration. If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    Why does a #NeverTrump conspiracy *have* to be centered in the U.S?

    There were governments that hated Trump, such a Iran. Others, like China, had leverage on Hunter Biden and thus stood to gain by elevating his father. While they would not openly provide a #NeverTrump virus, quiet assistance is not out of the question.

    A covert operation obtaining the virus from an Asian source would be much less complex and risky. Stealing the material from a U.S. lab and transporting it thousands of miles is unnecessarily convoluted.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @A123


    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.
     
    ........I'm thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the "great reset",what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    Replies: @A123

  10. @Beckow
    The details of the C19 research and release, potential targets and mistakes are impossible to know. Maybe in a few years, if that.

    What we see is how different countries reacted:

    - China quickly and fully shut down in what looked like they thought they were under a bio attack.
    - Russia behaved as if they were warned to be wary of C19, prepared their defenses, but looked disengaged as if they were neither the source nor the target.
    - Europeans seemed to follow remote orders: they were slow to react, inconsistent, confused, but eventually implemented a uniform response.
    - US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried - even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
    - Interestingly, the deep refuge countries for the West - Canada, Australia, New Zealand - were the most protected, most isolated, almost closed off. As if the fall-back territories had to be kept totally isolated, just in case.
    - The rest of the world was left to fend for itself. In some places that meant there was literally no C19 and no rational explanation exists why that was the case, e.g. Africa.

    There can be other reasons for the above: culture, economy. If there is another C19 (C22-23) wave we may learn more. What is almost certain is that the official story is not the complete truth. Whether it is the opposite of the truth, or something in between, who knows...vaccines that don't work, shutdowns...

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Gerard1234

    What we see is how different countries reacted:…

    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.

    I think you’re a Central European, and therefore might have a very misleading impression of events in America. The reaction of the American government to the Covid outbreak was utterly disastrous and incompetent, relative to the resources it deployed among the worst anywhere in the world. For example, here’s a late 2019 chart showing the expected effectiveness of different countries to a possible disease epidemic:

    Trump and his top people initially ignored the virus or argued that it wasn’t dangerous or would go away by itself. They demonstrated absolutely no sense of the seriousness of the situation, and our CDC botched the production of a testing kit so the government couldn’t even determine whether the virus was spreading. As a result, America suffered well over a million deaths—probably more like 1.3M—plus two years of disorganized, intermittent lockdowns that totally disrupted ordinary lives and the economy. That’s as bad a combination of deaths and disruption as was found anywhere in the world.

    All of that very strongly demonstrates that Trump and his government had certainly not been behind the Covid outbreak or aware of its danger. As I’ve emphasized in my articles and interviews, the attack was very likely carried out by a small group of rogue elements in the Trump administration. If you’re interested, here’s my latest podcast interview from a couple of weeks ago:


    I think most of your other international evaluations are similarly mistaken. For example, most African countries have extremely poor public health statistics and the one exception—South Africa—has recorded a huge number of Covid deaths, at least relative to the youth and weight of its population. Similarly, the dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Unfortunately, a large fraction of everything you find about Covid on the Internet is just total nonsense.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    I was not referring to competence. Certainly the US execution of almost anything these days lags and is worse than in most European countries. American society was made to work in simple multiple-options situations, with the complexity introduced in the last 20-30 years US systems struggle to implement almost anything.

    You are right about the botched C19 medical approach in the US: the mistakes, wrong information, etc...But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    I flew to Washington in June 2020 from Frankfurt, it was like a night and day. The Frankfurt airport was an armed camp with dozens of heavily armed soldiers walking around, hundreds of people stuck in the transit zone - Third World people who were not allowed to enter Germany, but couldn't fly home - controls everywhere like in a modern version of Nazi Germany. Nothing was open and nothing worked. All questions were dismissed with "but Covid!!!!" We were one of the three or four flights that day and they still managed to leave 90 minutes late. On the other hand, Washington was wide open: table with nurses to check temperature, get a hand-out, and that was it. Large parts of US stayed open and functioning.


    dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.
     
    Probably. But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported, others over-reported and counted anything as C19 that could even remotely be applied. There were heavy incentives both ways: on the one hand, reputation, on the other hand C19 bonuses paid freely to anyone. How do we account for people who were dying already and caught C19? Or the ones whose demise was accelerated by C19?

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    I am agnostic on the origin, but agree that the official story is incomplete or worse. I am more bothered by the self-inflicted damage to the Western economies that the botched response has caused. It could be irreversible.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  11. @Triteleia Laxa
    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn't report it anymore. It isn't news.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.

    That’s certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from “chatter” on the Western Internet. But there’s actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn’t. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ron Unz

    Where it came from is not even an issue in comparison to how all of the idiots reacted.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    One employee, from a lab with hundreds of staff, said that her friends and colleagues could never possibly have made a mistake ever.

    Hahaha

    , @LondonBob
    @Ron Unz

    The media and government seem deeply uninterested in the origin of covid 19 now, the dog that didn't bark.

    I expect the catastrophic consequences of the mRNA vaccines will be the bigger issue now. I agree with Jacob Dreizin (https://rumble.com/v1auo3e-2022-07-02-the-corona-brace-for-impact.html?mref=15jk98&mc=aftu3) and have seen myself the disastrous side effects. The infertility issue is starting to raise its head too now.

  12. @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.
     
    That's certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from "chatter" on the Western Internet. But there's actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn't. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob

    Where it came from is not even an issue in comparison to how all of the idiots reacted.

  13. @Beckow
    The details of the C19 research and release, potential targets and mistakes are impossible to know. Maybe in a few years, if that.

    What we see is how different countries reacted:

    - China quickly and fully shut down in what looked like they thought they were under a bio attack.
    - Russia behaved as if they were warned to be wary of C19, prepared their defenses, but looked disengaged as if they were neither the source nor the target.
    - Europeans seemed to follow remote orders: they were slow to react, inconsistent, confused, but eventually implemented a uniform response.
    - US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried - even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
    - Interestingly, the deep refuge countries for the West - Canada, Australia, New Zealand - were the most protected, most isolated, almost closed off. As if the fall-back territories had to be kept totally isolated, just in case.
    - The rest of the world was left to fend for itself. In some places that meant there was literally no C19 and no rational explanation exists why that was the case, e.g. Africa.

    There can be other reasons for the above: culture, economy. If there is another C19 (C22-23) wave we may learn more. What is almost certain is that the official story is not the complete truth. Whether it is the opposite of the truth, or something in between, who knows...vaccines that don't work, shutdowns...

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Gerard1234

    More worrying is that the same anti-democratic, mind-control or psyop techniques that were used to coerce ( or much harsher than that) people into getting vaccinated , or following strict procedures, or to weigh up the risk of going to hospital for a broken leg with the risk of getting infected from going there (LOL)…….were repackaged directly into this anti-Russia, fake pro “Ukraine” hysteria and fascism that we are seeing from western audiences.

    I think of business lobbying, even corruption in a much better light now, compared to this total dictation to business/industries by the government…….and the fake-woke CEO’s who seem ready to take up the ass to accept this garbage.

    The same process has happened in reverse also. The worst example of mass death or murder to hit “Ukrainians ” since WW2 has been the refusal to allow Sputnik-V in the country – with the result that there was an abysmally low vaccination-rate, the worst in all of Europe even though millions of Ukrainians rely on remittances from countries that required vaccination. Ukrainian population is russian mentality……and were highly proud and trusting to Soviet practice and very successful vaccination history. Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine as this is the one Ukrainians would have been most receptive to taking – but of course the Nazi authorities and their EU masters did not allow it for fear of creating Russian “victory”. Banning that, of course made most “Ukrainians” extremely suspicious of the western vaccines. All this in a country where most of the testing-kit was Russian!

    Not that I am in favour of mandatory vaccination – just that greater importance of taking it there must be in a country with an abysmal hospital system as 404, and which treats their elderly with such disrespect whenever trying to further their gayropa agenda.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine
     
    Ukraine has reported 108k deaths from C19 and 5 million cases. I doubt all would had been saved with any form of vaccination. That was 2% of people who were reported as having Covid and around 0.25% of population.

    I agree that there was a nice seamless transition in the media from C19 hysteria to Russia-hating hysteria. If there is a next phase, the topic could be so over-heated and propaganda so thick that the media would cease to exist as a category. Not too many would miss them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  14. @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.
     
    That's certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from "chatter" on the Western Internet. But there's actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn't. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob

    One employee, from a lab with hundreds of staff, said that her friends and colleagues could never possibly have made a mistake ever.

    Hahaha

    • Troll: LondonBob
  15. @tamako
    @songbird

    That's unsurprising, especially when you account for how most of them host or participate in live events, and have their own regular radio shows or web programs. Even if most of those exist simply to promote some [anime/game/multimedia franchise] and stick to some sort of script, they still need to have the ability to react to anything on the fly.

    I am, of course, ignoring the voice actors who end up acting out their characters in stage plays or in MC segments in live concerts.

    Replies: @songbird

    Don’t really know about their backgrounds, but I suspect that a lot were mimics in childhood, and I imagine that has some correlation with verbal IQ.

  16. @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend, from the previous thread...

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym
     
    These can be seen as nearly analogous in their potential wankery.

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don't don't care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I'm quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I've met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I'm more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it's bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it's own sake, it just must be moderated.

    In my mind the culturally ideal concept doesn't have to be exclusionary, but can encompass a balance of all the best traits. One should be well read and intellectually mature, with the ability and will to put that knowledge to practice, while also being physically competent and fit. The mind and body are both tools to be kept sharp and in top condition, and it's a shame to ignore either one. If I could unilaterally dictate cultural norms the ideal man would equally embody the aspects of warrior, priest, and scholar. But sadly I think I missed the deadline for getting on the ballot for Omnidimensional Overlord of the Infinite Multiverses, so I'm afraid I'll have little chance of implementing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend, @Mikhail

    I don’t think we disagree, actually. My disagreement with songbird was that he was too rash in discounting bookreading. Which is ironic, given that I approvingly quoted Schopenhauer a few months ago.

    The art of not reading is a very important one. It consists in not taking an interest in whatever may be engaging the attention of the general public at any particular time. When some political or ecclesiastical pamphlet, or novel, or poem is making a great commotion, you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public. A precondition for reading good books is not reading bad ones: for life is short.

    Being overly bookish to the point of neglecting the outside world and being a passive consumer is not helpful – perhaps even harmful.

    My case is simply that our cultural zeitgeist has swung too far towards the jock (not even the warrior) at the expense of the scholar. In restoring balance the pendulum has to swing back.

    After all, being “hyperpresent” and in constant need of stimuli from the world writ large makes you barely more than a mere amoeba. ‘Roided up gymrats don’t make history. They don’t even get to write it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend

    Yeah, I think we are all on the same page. I suspect that even your disagreement with songbird is more about semantics than substance.

  17. Get ready for a harsh winter.

    A sadistic part of me want the fossil fuel-addicted countries to suffer, for it is divine justice when they didn’t phase out dirty energy when they all had the chance to do so for decades.

    We did so in the 1980s already, long before it was cool to be an environmentalist. Yes, hydro is not available to everyone but France managed to do it anyway so don’t give me that excuse.

    Unfortunately, now we and the French don’t get to reap the rewards because of the integrated EU grid, unfairly punishing us for the unwise decisions of others.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    but France managed to do it anyway
     
    To a large extent because of nuclear power, and I'm pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
    Germany's government is still intent on closing down the three remaining nuclear power stations at the end of the year (three others could apparently be re-activated without too much trouble, but that also isn't being considered). Instead they're increasing reliance on dirty coal power, but I doubt that will be sufficient either to avert disaster in winter. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend

    , @LondonBob
    @Thulean Friend

    FT saying we, Britain, will cut off our gas pipelines for continental Europe this winter. We still produce a reasonable amount and we also have a lot of LNG terminals.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  18. @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend, from the previous thread...

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym
     
    These can be seen as nearly analogous in their potential wankery.

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don't don't care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I'm quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I've met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I'm more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it's bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it's own sake, it just must be moderated.

    In my mind the culturally ideal concept doesn't have to be exclusionary, but can encompass a balance of all the best traits. One should be well read and intellectually mature, with the ability and will to put that knowledge to practice, while also being physically competent and fit. The mind and body are both tools to be kept sharp and in top condition, and it's a shame to ignore either one. If I could unilaterally dictate cultural norms the ideal man would equally embody the aspects of warrior, priest, and scholar. But sadly I think I missed the deadline for getting on the ballot for Omnidimensional Overlord of the Infinite Multiverses, so I'm afraid I'll have little chance of implementing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend, @Mikhail

    I personally find gym body building to be a stupid waste of time, not because I don’t don’t care about a fit body but because I consider the fitness of my body to be a tool to used for a practical purpose, not just some showpiece. I’m quite fit and I find the deft coordination of body and work to be like a form of dance. I’ve met many weightlifters I can work circles around, since their bodies are just for show.

    Likewise, using quantity of books read as an aspirational metric of worth is meaningless. I’m more impressed by the application of knowledge than just it’s bulk acquisition. I know many who read a great quantity of books but never do anything with that knowledge. Too much living in theory is a form of mental masturbation.

    That being said I have more respect for the book reader than the weight-lifter. At least I have something to talk about with the former, and there is value in knowledge for it’s own sake, it just must be moderated.

    You provide two extremes.

    It’s better to be well read, with a practical understanding of the acquired knowledge, while being fit in an all around way that improves flexibility, speed, strength and stamina.

    • Agree: Barbarossa, Miro23
  19. More on an earlier poll mentioned at the prior thread:

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    According to that poll, 82% of Ukrainians assess a great deal of responsibility for the war to Russia, 47% to the Ukrainian government, 26% to the USA, 24% to NATO, and 14% to Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

    The tweet's author also adds (you have go to the link on the tweet): "It's plausible that many understand the US/NATO responsibility as sending weapons "too little too late" and Ukraine's for not preparing enough."

    The same poll also shows that 68% of Ukrainians strongly favor and a further 21% somewhat favor keeping Ukrainian as the only state language.

    It also shows that the majority of the Ukrainian people do not want to negotiate away any Ukrainian territory. This means that the war will not end soon.

  20. For AP, from the older thread.

    [MORE]

    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament through an illegal coup.

    That’s right.

    Therefore it doesn’t make sense to point out that the agreement was illegal, as the government itself was illegal in the first place.

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.

    The political and economic reforms are the most positive changes since the end of the USSR. The outcome of this war is not about returning a piece of territories but restoration of independence.

    And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them.

    No but could have done.

    Good that you acknowledge that this [permission to settle on these territories] was an exchange for services, not a gift.

    Those territories were a part of the Empire called New Russia. Not Ukraine.

    The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization.

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.

    Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.

    A great Russian surgeon Pirogov bought an estate in what is now Ukraine and lived there, but he wasn’t a Ukrainian because there was no Ukraine back then and he wasn’t born there. He was a Russian scientist.

    Mikhail Bulgakov was born in Kiev when it was a governorate of the Russian Empire. He was not a Ukrainian. You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian.

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.

    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition.

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.

    The Germans had it when they gifted it.

    And then it was cancelled and annulled, so it doesn’t matter. The Germans had it, and then the Russians had it.

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.

    And it doesn’t matter because it was overwritten later, soon enough. You can’t stop the time, and seem to have a habit to ignore that a failure is a failure.

    That agreement lasted six months.

    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield.

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors. The Poles despise them, and hate them, and haven’t forgotten that. Perhaps the Poles will get their territories back, and then drive out the Ukrainians out of there.

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.

    You begin to insult people, when losing an argument.

    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US, we were taught the fundamental sciences a lot better. You, an American doctor, can’t count, can’t reason, and don’t know much about history.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

    How ironic.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist, an ignorant and half-retarded fool, full of self-importance. A pathetic being, boasting of his imaginable nobleness.

    You are a product of that corrupt cabal of bootlicker bitches, who got rich from stealing from the Soviet people, purchasing a million dollar apartment with the rent, coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.

    So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival.

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities. The Ukrainian peasants were an illiterate foreign horde, taking over the cities the Russian people had built.

    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles, who lost the war and were driven out of the Russian land.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end."

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.
     
    It seems that their Syrian experience didn't help much.

    "And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them."

    No but could have done.
     
    Maybe, maybe not - but they did not. The territories of southern Ukraine were liberated with the help of Ukrainian forces, who knew the area quite well and who were experienced at fighting Turks and Tatars. The hypothetical is irrelevant.

    "The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization."

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.
     
    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities (Odessa only had 9,000 people in 1803, growing to 194,000 in the 1870s). Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren't run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the overwhelmingly rural regions.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.
     
    Correct, and they were also Ukrainian Cossacks who were given land grants and noble title in exchange for settlement. I already gave you an example of such a family - the Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov, whose Ukrainian Cossack ancestors came to these lands in the early 1800s and whose father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Also, part of New Russia included the Zaporozhian lands, who already have over 100,000 free Ukrainian peasant/farmer settlers in the mid 18th century, before Russia took those lands over.

    "Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated."

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.
     
    Dostoyevsky's father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. He was a typical minor Ukrainian nobleman, his father (the writer Dostoyevsky's grandfather) had been a Greek Catholic priest with a small estate. Mikhail Dostoyevsky studied medicine and moved to Moscow. He married a Russian woman. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    "You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian."

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.
     
    Nikolai Gogol's father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I'm not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language in his life:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.
     
    Yes, you see peasants as something that you and not they are are - a humanoid earth worm.

    "So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition."

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.
     
    Well first you claim that only he himself referred to himself as that. Then when it was shown to you that the Orthodox Patriarch's men and the Sultan also referred to him as such, you now claim something else. This claim is wrong like the others. Khmelnytsky was sovereign in his territory, independently controlling his own army, making and administering his own laws, making treaties with other countries.

    The Donbas republics, on the other hand, are not. They do only what the Russia tells them to do.

    "Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield."

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors.
     
    Indeed, civil wars between brothers can be very brutal. Fortunately those times have passed. This Russian invasion of Ukraine has really done much to put that tragedy in the past and to reconcile the two brotherly peoples.

    The Poles despise them, and hate them
     
    Wishful thinking by a Soviet degenerate worm.

    I was just in Poland in April, Poles in general like Ukrainians. Many of them are even taking Ukrainians into their own homes, people who own apartments are providing them shelter for free, etc.


    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US,
     
    You personally prove that it wasn't. Ignorant of basic historical facts (see above), innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct all along), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    You had a poor, second-rate power that fell further and further behind until it just fell apart in запой and crime (the only thing Sovok Sharikovs are really good at). Its legacy was a murder rate worse than in Central America.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

     

    How cute that a Sharikov "thinks" such things.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist
     
    Sharikov is too dumb or too blind to imagine or see anything beyond his own nose.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man's vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human. Funnily enough, the same can be said for your grotesque experiment of a state, and its immediate descendants. I tell you the truth about yourself. But just because I correctly place you where you belong in relation almost every other person commenting here, including me, does not make me proud or arrogant. As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren't one of them though, Sharikov.

    coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.
     
    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended. In this case it is a false and stupid claim, but your implication about universal moral corruption of Soviet people such as yourself has a whiff of truth to it, at least. Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.
     
    You call Soviet people who got apartments from the state shit? That's most of them. You are starting to recognize yourself at last.

    "So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival."

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities.
     
    They were small provincial cities or towns before the Ukrainians came.

    "They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates."

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles,
     
    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne (the last Rurikid to rule a country). These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Here Be Dragon

  21. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    Get ready for a harsh winter.

    https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1542759108914323456

    A sadistic part of me want the fossil fuel-addicted countries to suffer, for it is divine justice when they didn't phase out dirty energy when they all had the chance to do so for decades.

    We did so in the 1980s already, long before it was cool to be an environmentalist. Yes, hydro is not available to everyone but France managed to do it anyway so don't give me that excuse.

    Unfortunately, now we and the French don't get to reap the rewards because of the integrated EU grid, unfairly punishing us for the unwise decisions of others.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LondonBob

    but France managed to do it anyway

    To a large extent because of nuclear power, and I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
    Germany’s government is still intent on closing down the three remaining nuclear power stations at the end of the year (three others could apparently be re-activated without too much trouble, but that also isn’t being considered). Instead they’re increasing reliance on dirty coal power, but I doubt that will be sufficient either to avert disaster in winter. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    I guess this is what comes of an insistence on ideological purity rather than realpolitick. Burning more coal and gas rather than reactivating a couple nuclear plants is self defeating to their cause, but they probably feel that losing ground on the nuclear front is impossible.

    I suspect that the Greens will join Thulean Friend in applauding whatever discomfort comes down the pike, as they probably feel it will vindicate them for not being heeded sooner.

    It does look like it's going to get a bit grim this winter for many here in the US, but I'm sure even more so in Europe. I'm glad I burn wood...

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    , @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
     
    I've been consistent in saying I have nothing ideological against nuclear energy, but that its advocates have to address the yawning cost overruns. That's shouldn't be interpreted as an endorsement of fossil fuels, so that excuse doesn't wash for Germany's tardiness in moving away from dirty fuels. Should have happened a long time ago.

    The Greens have a lot to answer for.
     
    I think it's more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can't be discussed rationally. Greens in other countries are often more pragmatic, e.g. France and Eastern Europe. In our national culture, the green party is marginal since the mainstream parties are very strong in their environmental bona fides, and so they don't set or dictate as much of the debate.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s. Germany's addiction to dirty fuels is now coming back to bite it, and unfortunately those of us who were responsible have to foot the bill for your failed policies.

    Replies: @German_reader

  22. @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa

    I don't think we disagree, actually. My disagreement with songbird was that he was too rash in discounting bookreading. Which is ironic, given that I approvingly quoted Schopenhauer a few months ago.

    The art of not reading is a very important one. It consists in not taking an interest in whatever may be engaging the attention of the general public at any particular time. When some political or ecclesiastical pamphlet, or novel, or poem is making a great commotion, you should remember that he who writes for fools always finds a large public. A precondition for reading good books is not reading bad ones: for life is short.
     

    Being overly bookish to the point of neglecting the outside world and being a passive consumer is not helpful - perhaps even harmful.

    My case is simply that our cultural zeitgeist has swung too far towards the jock (not even the warrior) at the expense of the scholar. In restoring balance the pendulum has to swing back.

    After all, being "hyperpresent" and in constant need of stimuli from the world writ large makes you barely more than a mere amoeba. 'Roided up gymrats don't make history. They don't even get to write it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yeah, I think we are all on the same page. I suspect that even your disagreement with songbird is more about semantics than substance.

  23. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    but France managed to do it anyway
     
    To a large extent because of nuclear power, and I'm pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
    Germany's government is still intent on closing down the three remaining nuclear power stations at the end of the year (three others could apparently be re-activated without too much trouble, but that also isn't being considered). Instead they're increasing reliance on dirty coal power, but I doubt that will be sufficient either to avert disaster in winter. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend

    I guess this is what comes of an insistence on ideological purity rather than realpolitick. Burning more coal and gas rather than reactivating a couple nuclear plants is self defeating to their cause, but they probably feel that losing ground on the nuclear front is impossible.

    I suspect that the Greens will join Thulean Friend in applauding whatever discomfort comes down the pike, as they probably feel it will vindicate them for not being heeded sooner.

    It does look like it’s going to get a bit grim this winter for many here in the US, but I’m sure even more so in Europe. I’m glad I burn wood…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Barbarossa


    ....this winter for many here in the US, but I’m sure even more so in Europe.
     
    Some of us like the cold, so this could be good. People have been over-heating their living spaces. The problem with coal is that in the short-run only the dirties surface coal mining can be quickly restarted. But the bizarrely misnamed Greens don't care about that - theirs is a bigger cause: change the people, abolish human nature, and fight wars. Because they hate how we live now, they can't take it, any change is good, a catastrophe even better. Green is the favorite philosophy for end-of-liners.

    Supply side: in Central Europe almost all imported gas physically comes from Russia via pipelines. The so-called alternatives (LNG, Norway, Qatar...) are done via swaps: some of the Russian gas going to Italy-Germany is exchanged for non-Russian gas delivered there. Even Poland still does that, it is an accounting fiction that adds costs and saves faces. Pipelines can't be easily "reversed", they flow east-west and reversing them is wasteful and takes time.

    The new LNG supply is of unknown origin: there are definitely intermediaries who buy the Russian LNG gas and resell it as something else. The total gas supply in the market is insufficient and shifting it through more intermediaries makes it more expensive - Brussels is too stupid to understand this, or they play games for public consumption.

    The real problem is the 30-40% of gas consumed by industry: with 3-4 times higher prices and unreliable deliveries many will have to shut down. That will roll through the economies and Europe will partially deindustrialize. But I am not worried about freezing in the winter - I am kind of looking forward to it. Everybody should, it is healthier.

    Replies: @PetrOldSack

    , @LondonBob
    @Barbarossa

    I have read the nuclear plants would only supply four percent of needs. The simple solution would be to stop following US dictats and implement the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians, if humanitarian concerns weren't enough, maybe self interest will be?

    Replies: @German_reader

  24. @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    What we see is how different countries reacted:...

    – US looked in charge, in the driver seat, self-confident instead of worried – even the protective measures were implemented with flexibility that suggested that the ones in the know were never too worried.
     
    I think you're a Central European, and therefore might have a very misleading impression of events in America. The reaction of the American government to the Covid outbreak was utterly disastrous and incompetent, relative to the resources it deployed among the worst anywhere in the world. For example, here's a late 2019 chart showing the expected effectiveness of different countries to a possible disease epidemic:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/map-epidemic-preparedness-index.jpg

    Trump and his top people initially ignored the virus or argued that it wasn't dangerous or would go away by itself. They demonstrated absolutely no sense of the seriousness of the situation, and our CDC botched the production of a testing kit so the government couldn't even determine whether the virus was spreading. As a result, America suffered well over a million deaths---probably more like 1.3M---plus two years of disorganized, intermittent lockdowns that totally disrupted ordinary lives and the economy. That's as bad a combination of deaths and disruption as was found anywhere in the world.

    All of that very strongly demonstrates that Trump and his government had certainly not been behind the Covid outbreak or aware of its danger. As I've emphasized in my articles and interviews, the attack was very likely carried out by a small group of rogue elements in the Trump administration. If you're interested, here's my latest podcast interview from a couple of weeks ago:

    https://www.unz.com/CONTENTS/AUDIO/kbarrett/KB-TJ_2022-0615_unz_web.mp3
    I think most of your other international evaluations are similarly mistaken. For example, most African countries have extremely poor public health statistics and the one exception---South Africa---has recorded a huge number of Covid deaths, at least relative to the youth and weight of its population. Similarly, the dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Unfortunately, a large fraction of everything you find about Covid on the Internet is just total nonsense.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I was not referring to competence. Certainly the US execution of almost anything these days lags and is worse than in most European countries. American society was made to work in simple multiple-options situations, with the complexity introduced in the last 20-30 years US systems struggle to implement almost anything.

    You are right about the botched C19 medical approach in the US: the mistakes, wrong information, etc…But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    I flew to Washington in June 2020 from Frankfurt, it was like a night and day. The Frankfurt airport was an armed camp with dozens of heavily armed soldiers walking around, hundreds of people stuck in the transit zone – Third World people who were not allowed to enter Germany, but couldn’t fly home – controls everywhere like in a modern version of Nazi Germany. Nothing was open and nothing worked. All questions were dismissed with “but Covid!!!!” We were one of the three or four flights that day and they still managed to leave 90 minutes late. On the other hand, Washington was wide open: table with nurses to check temperature, get a hand-out, and that was it. Large parts of US stayed open and functioning.

    dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.

    Probably. But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported, others over-reported and counted anything as C19 that could even remotely be applied. There were heavy incentives both ways: on the one hand, reputation, on the other hand C19 bonuses paid freely to anyone. How do we account for people who were dying already and caught C19? Or the ones whose demise was accelerated by C19?

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    I am agnostic on the origin, but agree that the official story is incomplete or worse. I am more bothered by the self-inflicted damage to the Western economies that the botched response has caused. It could be irreversible.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.
     
    Sure, Europe also did a very poor job of handling the epidemic, resulting in both high death rates and a great deal of social/economic disruption. But I think America's "self-confident" behavior was mostly due to incompetence and ignorance, with a substantial fraction of the pro-Trump elements either believing that the disease didn't exist or it was almost harmless. Obviously, if you follow Trump in saying "it's just the flu!" you don't behave in a panicked manner.

    Consider that the US age-curve is much more youthful than that of the big EU countries, but America still had a much higher Covid death rate. So I think all that "confidence" you saw was the confidence of stupidity and incompetence. Trump had looked very "confident" early on when he said nobody should worry about the virus because it would just go away by itself.

    But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported
     
    Sure, all the countries cheat with their official statistics. For example, America has officially only had 1M Covid deaths, but anyone who checks the CDC website can see that we've had more like 1.3M "excess deaths", only a sliver of which would have been homicide, suicide, or drug overdoses. But India's Covid deaths are in a category of their own, probably off by a factor of 10x.

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.
     
    Sure, based upon their youthful and slender population, I think you'd expect only a fraction of the per capita deaths elsewhere. But even so, I don't think most of the countries have any sort of reliable reporting, so hundreds of thousands probably died across the continent without anyone knowing. South Africa does have a reporting system, and they recorded 100K deaths. I can't see why the Bantus living there would be more vulnerable than the ones anywhere else.
  25. @A123
    Even Mr. Unz has conceded that the virus was not released by the Trump administration. If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    Why does a #NeverTrump conspiracy *have* to be centered in the U.S?

    There were governments that hated Trump, such a Iran. Others, like China, had leverage on Hunter Biden and thus stood to gain by elevating his father. While they would not openly provide a #NeverTrump virus, quiet assistance is not out of the question.

    A covert operation obtaining the virus from an Asian source would be much less complex and risky. Stealing the material from a U.S. lab and transporting it thousands of miles is unnecessarily convoluted.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @tyrone

    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    ……..I’m thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the “great reset”,what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    • Replies: @A123
    @tyrone



    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.
     
    ……..I’m thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the “great reset”,what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.
     
    Exactly.

    SJW Globalist MegaCorporations love China. Outsourcing American jobs keeps wages low and employees under control. The CCP and the SJW/DNC shared a common goal. They both wanted Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the Deep State released the #NeverTrumpVirus to target MAGA and U.S. Citizens.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Screen-Shot-2021-04-30-at-10.43.45-AM-2048x1797.jpg
  26. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    I guess this is what comes of an insistence on ideological purity rather than realpolitick. Burning more coal and gas rather than reactivating a couple nuclear plants is self defeating to their cause, but they probably feel that losing ground on the nuclear front is impossible.

    I suspect that the Greens will join Thulean Friend in applauding whatever discomfort comes down the pike, as they probably feel it will vindicate them for not being heeded sooner.

    It does look like it's going to get a bit grim this winter for many here in the US, but I'm sure even more so in Europe. I'm glad I burn wood...

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    ….this winter for many here in the US, but I’m sure even more so in Europe.

    Some of us like the cold, so this could be good. People have been over-heating their living spaces. The problem with coal is that in the short-run only the dirties surface coal mining can be quickly restarted. But the bizarrely misnamed Greens don’t care about that – theirs is a bigger cause: change the people, abolish human nature, and fight wars. Because they hate how we live now, they can’t take it, any change is good, a catastrophe even better. Green is the favorite philosophy for end-of-liners.

    Supply side: in Central Europe almost all imported gas physically comes from Russia via pipelines. The so-called alternatives (LNG, Norway, Qatar…) are done via swaps: some of the Russian gas going to Italy-Germany is exchanged for non-Russian gas delivered there. Even Poland still does that, it is an accounting fiction that adds costs and saves faces. Pipelines can’t be easily “reversed”, they flow east-west and reversing them is wasteful and takes time.

    The new LNG supply is of unknown origin: there are definitely intermediaries who buy the Russian LNG gas and resell it as something else. The total gas supply in the market is insufficient and shifting it through more intermediaries makes it more expensive – Brussels is too stupid to understand this, or they play games for public consumption.

    The real problem is the 30-40% of gas consumed by industry: with 3-4 times higher prices and unreliable deliveries many will have to shut down. That will roll through the economies and Europe will partially deindustrialize. But I am not worried about freezing in the winter – I am kind of looking forward to it. Everybody should, it is healthier.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    @Beckow

    What you pointed at, swaps, back and forth exchanges, is exactly what defines the middle man, finance capitalism. A win for the ones "chosen". Leaning (tightening the meat-ball classes belts) is by design. The German industry has been offered a "substitute" for some losses to "markets". It is all behind the scenes, there is no "all out" conflict going on.

  27. • Replies: @Beckow
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    These Donbas Russians don't exist for many people who comment here. No matter how many testimonies, they only see their own side. Russians are all invaders and orcs - Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Some like Zelko suggest that Russians who insist in keeping their identity should move to Russia - and retards in Hollywood clap - or maybe they are not retarded, and this is what they always wanted. Some fanatics dream about Intermarium, I assume no Russian orc would be allowed to live in the Intermarium: out with them, they are Asiatic "Khanate" savages - Lviv and Krakow thugs don't want them around.

    This is a clear violation of the very basic human rights by EU's own standards. But EU did nothing and said nothing. We have a war to fix it. It could make things worse, but why was Kiev allowed by EU for 8 years to do this? And why are so many here still defending it? Right, "orcs" - "kill them all"...and they are surprised they are losing the war.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  28. A123 says: • Website
    @tyrone
    @A123


    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.
     
    ........I'm thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the "great reset",what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    Replies: @A123

    If it came from the U.S. it was a #NeverTrump rogue operation.

    ……..I’m thinking U.S. deep state /elite CCP operation to rat-fuck the Trump administration ,plus super charge the “great reset”,what about the Fauci money going to the Wuhan lab.

    Exactly.

    SJW Globalist MegaCorporations love China. Outsourcing American jobs keeps wages low and employees under control. The CCP and the SJW/DNC shared a common goal. They both wanted Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the Deep State released the #NeverTrumpVirus to target MAGA and U.S. Citizens.

    PEACE 😇

     

  29. @Peripatetic Commenter
    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1543319906384502787

    Replies: @Beckow

    These Donbas Russians don’t exist for many people who comment here. No matter how many testimonies, they only see their own side. Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Some like Zelko suggest that Russians who insist in keeping their identity should move to Russia – and retards in Hollywood clap – or maybe they are not retarded, and this is what they always wanted. Some fanatics dream about Intermarium, I assume no Russian orc would be allowed to live in the Intermarium: out with them, they are Asiatic “Khanate” savages – Lviv and Krakow thugs don’t want them around.

    This is a clear violation of the very basic human rights by EU’s own standards. But EU did nothing and said nothing. We have a war to fix it. It could make things worse, but why was Kiev allowed by EU for 8 years to do this? And why are so many here still defending it? Right, “orcs” – “kill them all”…and they are surprised they are losing the war.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow

    In the previous thread I posted a joke saying that it’s not the question if Russians take Lisichansk, it’s the question of when. To the delight of Lisichansk residents it happened sooner than expected.

    But there is nothing special about Lisichansk: virtually all Donbass residents saw Ukies as occupiers (and that’s exactly how they behaved). Naturally, they are happy that their cities were liberated, Ukie occupiers are kicked out. Older people relived what they felt when Nazi occupiers were kicked out of Donbass in WWII.

    As to EU and Western Europe in general: no surprises there. Their defining characteristic is hypocrisy. They pretended not to notice massive Ukie war crimes in Donbass, they even now pretend that they don’t know that desperate losing Ukies brutally shell residential areas of Donetsk, killing and maiming civilians. They keep pretending that they don’t see a clear violation of EU rules when Russian language is suppressed in the Baltic statelets. They would pretend that there is no sun, if the empire orders. Liars is their middle name.

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?
     
    Do not manipulate again. The invading army are "orcs", not Donbas residents.

    Replies: @Beckow

  30. A123 says: • Website

    The full race replay is now available for

    Sahlen’s Six Hours of The Glen / IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship

    This is the last season for the fast DPi Prototypes. Next year the top class [GTP] will be closely related to the slower Le Mans Hypercar [LMH] specification.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what's so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?
    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    Replies: @A123

  31. German_reader says:
    @A123
    The full race replay is now available for

    Sahlen's Six Hours of The Glen / IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zi98fFP5Ko

    This is the last season for the fast DPi Prototypes. Next year the top class [GTP] will be closely related to the slower Le Mans Hypercar [LMH] specification.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what’s so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?
    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what’s so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?
     
    Watkins Glen is much more complicated than a circle.

     
    https://mikecentola.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/modp-1204-02watkins-glen-track-reviewelevation-map1.jpg
     

    I wish that I had the skill & funding to join the race.

    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.
     
    Europe is waking up to the fact that Global Cooling / Warming / Change mythology is self destructive. (1)

    “Poland and Czechia will build a coalition of countries opposing the ban on new CO2-emitting vehicles by 2035, which was proposed by the European Commission,” said Polish government spokesman Piotr Müller.

    Müller was asked about the EU’s plan to ban the production of vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035 in an interview with TVP Info, part of Polish public television.

    Müller said that the Polish government’s stance on this ban was negative and “Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki along with Minister of Climate Anna Moskwa held talks regarding the building of a coalition of countries that will oppose the ban, with the Czech government among others.”

    The spokesman further said that the Polish government had already reached an agreement with Prague to stand united against the proposed ban.
     
    With luck, Greta will soon be banned.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/poland-building-coalition-to-fight-eus-ban-on-gas-and-diesel-cars/
  32. @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    More worrying is that the same anti-democratic, mind-control or psyop techniques that were used to coerce ( or much harsher than that) people into getting vaccinated , or following strict procedures, or to weigh up the risk of going to hospital for a broken leg with the risk of getting infected from going there (LOL).......were repackaged directly into this anti-Russia, fake pro "Ukraine" hysteria and fascism that we are seeing from western audiences.

    I think of business lobbying, even corruption in a much better light now, compared to this total dictation to business/industries by the government.......and the fake-woke CEO's who seem ready to take up the ass to accept this garbage.

    The same process has happened in reverse also. The worst example of mass death or murder to hit "Ukrainians " since WW2 has been the refusal to allow Sputnik-V in the country - with the result that there was an abysmally low vaccination-rate, the worst in all of Europe even though millions of Ukrainians rely on remittances from countries that required vaccination. Ukrainian population is russian mentality......and were highly proud and trusting to Soviet practice and very successful vaccination history. Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine as this is the one Ukrainians would have been most receptive to taking - but of course the Nazi authorities and their EU masters did not allow it for fear of creating Russian "victory". Banning that, of course made most "Ukrainians" extremely suspicious of the western vaccines. All this in a country where most of the testing-kit was Russian!

    Not that I am in favour of mandatory vaccination - just that greater importance of taking it there must be in a country with an abysmal hospital system as 404, and which treats their elderly with such disrespect whenever trying to further their gayropa agenda.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine

    Ukraine has reported 108k deaths from C19 and 5 million cases. I doubt all would had been saved with any form of vaccination. That was 2% of people who were reported as having Covid and around 0.25% of population.

    I agree that there was a nice seamless transition in the media from C19 hysteria to Russia-hating hysteria. If there is a next phase, the topic could be so over-heated and propaganda so thick that the media would cease to exist as a category. Not too many would miss them.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    I go on the premise that "108k dead" is yet another ukronazi work of fiction of course. More like 5x that number.

    Every year is "excess death year" for 404, and if you don't count then they aren't dead is what appears to be the philosophy.

  33. @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    I was not referring to competence. Certainly the US execution of almost anything these days lags and is worse than in most European countries. American society was made to work in simple multiple-options situations, with the complexity introduced in the last 20-30 years US systems struggle to implement almost anything.

    You are right about the botched C19 medical approach in the US: the mistakes, wrong information, etc...But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    I flew to Washington in June 2020 from Frankfurt, it was like a night and day. The Frankfurt airport was an armed camp with dozens of heavily armed soldiers walking around, hundreds of people stuck in the transit zone - Third World people who were not allowed to enter Germany, but couldn't fly home - controls everywhere like in a modern version of Nazi Germany. Nothing was open and nothing worked. All questions were dismissed with "but Covid!!!!" We were one of the three or four flights that day and they still managed to leave 90 minutes late. On the other hand, Washington was wide open: table with nurses to check temperature, get a hand-out, and that was it. Large parts of US stayed open and functioning.


    dishonest and incompetent Indian government has apparently under-reported Covid deaths by a factor of 10x.
     
    Probably. But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported, others over-reported and counted anything as C19 that could even remotely be applied. There were heavy incentives both ways: on the one hand, reputation, on the other hand C19 bonuses paid freely to anyone. How do we account for people who were dying already and caught C19? Or the ones whose demise was accelerated by C19?

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    I am agnostic on the origin, but agree that the official story is incomplete or worse. I am more bothered by the self-inflicted damage to the Western economies that the botched response has caused. It could be irreversible.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    But the perception from the outside was that they were more self-confident, more in charge, more flexible. Europe literally halted in March 2020, with no real ideas or plans, in a state of suspended waiting. They were bureaucratic and unyielding.

    Sure, Europe also did a very poor job of handling the epidemic, resulting in both high death rates and a great deal of social/economic disruption. But I think America’s “self-confident” behavior was mostly due to incompetence and ignorance, with a substantial fraction of the pro-Trump elements either believing that the disease didn’t exist or it was almost harmless. Obviously, if you follow Trump in saying “it’s just the flu!” you don’t behave in a panicked manner.

    Consider that the US age-curve is much more youthful than that of the big EU countries, but America still had a much higher Covid death rate. So I think all that “confidence” you saw was the confidence of stupidity and incompetence. Trump had looked very “confident” early on when he said nobody should worry about the virus because it would just go away by itself.

    But all numbers published about C19 are squishy: some countries under-reported

    Sure, all the countries cheat with their official statistics. For example, America has officially only had 1M Covid deaths, but anyone who checks the CDC website can see that we’ve had more like 1.3M “excess deaths”, only a sliver of which would have been homicide, suicide, or drug overdoses. But India’s Covid deaths are in a category of their own, probably off by a factor of 10x.

    Africa missed most of C19. You are right about S Africa, also Maghreb and Egypt. But the middle of the continent had no large C19 outbreaks in spite of the fact that the hygienic situation is worse and they had almost no vaccines. Maybe more youthful population and lots of sunshine and Vitamin D. Maybe they are thinner.

    Sure, based upon their youthful and slender population, I think you’d expect only a fraction of the per capita deaths elsewhere. But even so, I don’t think most of the countries have any sort of reliable reporting, so hundreds of thousands probably died across the continent without anyone knowing. South Africa does have a reporting system, and they recorded 100K deaths. I can’t see why the Bantus living there would be more vulnerable than the ones anywhere else.

  34. @Beckow
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    These Donbas Russians don't exist for many people who comment here. No matter how many testimonies, they only see their own side. Russians are all invaders and orcs - Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Some like Zelko suggest that Russians who insist in keeping their identity should move to Russia - and retards in Hollywood clap - or maybe they are not retarded, and this is what they always wanted. Some fanatics dream about Intermarium, I assume no Russian orc would be allowed to live in the Intermarium: out with them, they are Asiatic "Khanate" savages - Lviv and Krakow thugs don't want them around.

    This is a clear violation of the very basic human rights by EU's own standards. But EU did nothing and said nothing. We have a war to fix it. It could make things worse, but why was Kiev allowed by EU for 8 years to do this? And why are so many here still defending it? Right, "orcs" - "kill them all"...and they are surprised they are losing the war.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    In the previous thread I posted a joke saying that it’s not the question if Russians take Lisichansk, it’s the question of when. To the delight of Lisichansk residents it happened sooner than expected.

    But there is nothing special about Lisichansk: virtually all Donbass residents saw Ukies as occupiers (and that’s exactly how they behaved). Naturally, they are happy that their cities were liberated, Ukie occupiers are kicked out. Older people relived what they felt when Nazi occupiers were kicked out of Donbass in WWII.

    As to EU and Western Europe in general: no surprises there. Their defining characteristic is hypocrisy. They pretended not to notice massive Ukie war crimes in Donbass, they even now pretend that they don’t know that desperate losing Ukies brutally shell residential areas of Donetsk, killing and maiming civilians. They keep pretending that they don’t see a clear violation of EU rules when Russian language is suppressed in the Baltic statelets. They would pretend that there is no sun, if the empire orders. Liars is their middle name.

  35. I just discovered something remarkable…

    I’ve been very pleased with how my video interviews have been doing on Rumble, with one of them just above 200K views and another just below. Obviously, that’s nothing remotely like the 25M views on Youtube for John Mearsheimer’s Ukraine lecture, but still extremely nice from my perspective. However, I got curious about how those numbers compare with other videos.

    The podcasters who interviewed me are pretty small and most of their other videos generally got just a few hundred or a couple of thousand views, partly because Rumble has a much smaller audience.

    Until earlier this year, I’d never paid much attention to video platforms, though I’d known that Youtube had started banning and shadow-banning people and topics around 2017. There was a big NYT article saying that Rumble had become the preferred choice for creators banned by Youtube, especially conservatives. Apparently, Youtube’s traffic is roughly 100x that of Rumble, so it provides a vastly greater potential audience:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/business/media/rumble-social-media-conservatives-videos.html

    After Alex Jones was banned by Youtube, he moved to Rumble and has 100K subscribers, but if you search for “Alex Jones” and rank his videos by views, only 2 of the many hundreds of videos are above 200K views. For “Tucker Carlson” about a dozen are above 300K, but the overwhelming majority are far below 100K views.

    After RT was banned by Youtube, it moved to Rumble, but except for its continuing Livestream video, only four of its thousands of videos are above 100K views and the vast majority are below 10K.

    https://rumble.com/c/RTNews?sort=views

    So overall, I’m really pretty pleased with how my own Covid video interviews are stacking up…

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    There is something pleasing in getting a bunch of people to take some completely stupid theory seriously, but QAnon got there first.

  36. Russian operation in Ukraine (not covid).

    For those who understand Russian, this is a good source of news, updates every several minutes:
    https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin

    Those who don’t can still appreciate pictures and videos, including those of Ukie soldiers (the lucky ones, those who were taken prisoner, instead of being killed) with swastikas tattooed on their bodies and Nazi insignia on their uniforms.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    Martyanov, some Russian rival of Rozhin, hates him for some reason, calling him a defeatist. Not that I notice it although Rozhin doesn't worship at Putin's feet.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  37. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @A123

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what's so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?
    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    Replies: @A123

    Have never gotten the appeal of something like that, what’s so exciting about watching cars drive in circles for hours?

    Watkins Glen is much more complicated than a circle.

     

     

    I wish that I had the skill & funding to join the race.

    And will soon be banned by Greta anyway.

    Europe is waking up to the fact that Global Cooling / Warming / Change mythology is self destructive. (1)

    “Poland and Czechia will build a coalition of countries opposing the ban on new CO2-emitting vehicles by 2035, which was proposed by the European Commission,” said Polish government spokesman Piotr Müller.

    Müller was asked about the EU’s plan to ban the production of vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035 in an interview with TVP Info, part of Polish public television.

    Müller said that the Polish government’s stance on this ban was negative and “Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki along with Minister of Climate Anna Moskwa held talks regarding the building of a coalition of countries that will oppose the ban, with the Czech government among others.”

    The spokesman further said that the Polish government had already reached an agreement with Prague to stand united against the proposed ban.

    With luck, Greta will soon be banned.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/poland-building-coalition-to-fight-eus-ban-on-gas-and-diesel-cars/

  38. The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ron Unz

    Can I ask what's your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    https://twitter.com/macastel3/status/1543053837975654400?s=20&t=YxUlzk7T-kQjXII4VuKSfQ

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:


    I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology not out of nature
     
    Follow up questions are immediately necessary:

    --I(a)-- How does Dr. Sachs differentiate between:
        • French lab biotechnology
        • US lab biotechnology

    --I(b)-- Could the Covid biotech be French, not American?

    --II-- Given French & American collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, how does Dr. Sachs know that US (or France) origin biotechnology was not transferred to China?
    ___

    French medical research institutions were extensive collaborators with the launch of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. (1)


    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    In 2015, French intelligence officials warned the U.S. State Department and their own foreign ministry that China was cutting back on agreed collaboration at the lab, former State Department official David Asher, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute think tank, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    By 2017, the French “were kicked out” of the lab and cooperation ceased, leading French officials to warn the State Department that they had grave concerns as to Chinese motivations, according to Asher.
    ...
    In January 2018, a State Department cable warned of a lack of highly trained technicians to operate the lab in a cable first reported by The Washington Post.

    The U.S. officials who had visited the lab and made the warning via the cable were not permitted to return, because they were asking “too many questions,” according to Asher.
     

    Finding French and American lab biotechnology at the Wuhan Institute of Virology would be unsurprising. In fact, it seems inevitable.
    ___

    In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, the U.S., and any additional parties that are identified along the way. However, after the epic WHO failure, trying to compose such an investigative body is incredibly difficult at best, impossible at worst.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailysignal.com/2021/07/28/france-warned-us-in-2015-about-chinas-wuhan-lab-investigator-says/

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    , @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Ron Unz

    It is interesting that he declares it an "accidental event."

    The dog that didn't bark?

    , @bombthe3gorgesdam
    @Ron Unz

    jew sachs confirms jew unz's theory, based on "smoking gun evidence" from of jew israel that goy pompeo and/or goy bolton launched a goy american biowarfare attack against the innocent, unsuspecting chinese in the form of covid. who could doubt it?

    what we're actually witnessing is the treason of jewish americans signaling to the chinese, whom they view sympathetically as fellow high iqers whom nature has made fit to rule relatively dumb white goyim, that they are willing to cut a deal and throw their fellow goy americans under the bus if the chinese allow them to maintain their privileged and moneyed ruling-class position in american society.

    the polish nobility (szlachta) cut a similar deal with the jews, allowing the jews to lord it over and violently extract resources from the polish peasantry as long as the jews gave a large share of their ill-gotten gains to the polish nobility.

  39. @songbird
    Apparently, there are several German rocket companies now. HyImpulse, Isar Aerospace, and RFA. They all seem to be developing small, three-stage rockets. Probably too many of them for them all to be a success.

    But it would be a pretty big break with recent political history, if Germany did start launching its own rockets again.

    Replies: @Right_On

    They’re already making state-of-the-art stealth U-boats with air-independent propulsion. Imagine what Dönitz could have achieved with them!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Right_On

    I wouldn't like to be in a food negative country, if ever these underwater drones start being employed.

  40. @Ron Unz
    The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @A123, @Peripatetic Commenter, @bombthe3gorgesdam

    Can I ask what’s your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Can I ask what’s your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,
     
    I'm afraid I don't have any special insight. Since China had successfully prevented Covid infections and (for unknown reasons) hadn't vaccinated more than about half its elderly, it was obviously very vulnerable to the sort of disastrously lethal outbreak Hong Kong had experienced with the new, ultra-contagious variant. So the PRC's massive response seems plausible. Maybe there was something else going on or maybe there wasn't.

    For me, the huge puzzle is why China hadn't gotten its elderly 99% vaxxed. If that had been done, the outbreak wouldn't be nearly as serious. I tend to doubt that elderly Chinese have been listening to Alex Jones and become fanatic anti-vaxxers...

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  41. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @A123, @Peripatetic Commenter, @bombthe3gorgesdam

    Mr. Unz,

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:

    I’m pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology not out of nature

    Follow up questions are immediately necessary:

    –I(a)– How does Dr. Sachs differentiate between:
        • French lab biotechnology
        • US lab biotechnology

    –I(b)– Could the Covid biotech be French, not American?

    –II– Given French & American collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, how does Dr. Sachs know that US (or France) origin biotechnology was not transferred to China?
    ___

    French medical research institutions were extensive collaborators with the launch of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. (1)

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    In 2015, French intelligence officials warned the U.S. State Department and their own foreign ministry that China was cutting back on agreed collaboration at the lab, former State Department official David Asher, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute think tank, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    By 2017, the French “were kicked out” of the lab and cooperation ceased, leading French officials to warn the State Department that they had grave concerns as to Chinese motivations, according to Asher.

    In January 2018, a State Department cable warned of a lack of highly trained technicians to operate the lab in a cable first reported by The Washington Post.

    The U.S. officials who had visited the lab and made the warning via the cable were not permitted to return, because they were asking “too many questions,” according to Asher.

    Finding French and American lab biotechnology at the Wuhan Institute of Virology would be unsurprising. In fact, it seems inevitable.
    ___

    In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, the U.S., and any additional parties that are identified along the way. However, after the epic WHO failure, trying to compose such an investigative body is incredibly difficult at best, impossible at worst.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailysignal.com/2021/07/28/france-warned-us-in-2015-about-chinas-wuhan-lab-investigator-says/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @A123


    What Dr. Sachs stated is:
     
    Sachs is a very high-ranking, ultra-Establishment American academic, and his (sensible) Ukraine views have surely gotten him enough trouble. I'm certainly not saying he explicitly blamed the American government for the Covid outbreak, but he did come awfully close to doing so. As I've pointed out, he strongly suggested that Covid came from an American lab and never once mentioned anything about the Wuhan lab, since that's just propaganda-nonsense.

    In his May journal article, Sachs had called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the virus. Those seem like pretty strong hints coming from a top mainstream academic.

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says
     
    You're quoting the unsubstantiated claims of David Asher, a notorious Neocon and the right-hand man of Mike Pompeo. Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there's a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans. Do you really regard his public statements as the best evidence on the source of Covid?

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

  42. @Right_On
    @songbird

    They're already making state-of-the-art stealth U-boats with air-independent propulsion. Imagine what Dönitz could have achieved with them!

    Replies: @songbird

    I wouldn’t like to be in a food negative country, if ever these underwater drones start being employed.

  43. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ron Unz

    Can I ask what's your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    https://twitter.com/macastel3/status/1543053837975654400?s=20&t=YxUlzk7T-kQjXII4VuKSfQ

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Can I ask what’s your take on the recent Shanghai lockdown and Zero-Covid drive? It was far more harsh than the initial Wuhan one and took place in the city with the highest expat population,

    I’m afraid I don’t have any special insight. Since China had successfully prevented Covid infections and (for unknown reasons) hadn’t vaccinated more than about half its elderly, it was obviously very vulnerable to the sort of disastrously lethal outbreak Hong Kong had experienced with the new, ultra-contagious variant. So the PRC’s massive response seems plausible. Maybe there was something else going on or maybe there wasn’t.

    For me, the huge puzzle is why China hadn’t gotten its elderly 99% vaxxed. If that had been done, the outbreak wouldn’t be nearly as serious. I tend to doubt that elderly Chinese have been listening to Alex Jones and become fanatic anti-vaxxers…

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ron Unz

    Zero-Covid is inflicting devastating public confidence damage on Xi, and censorship is at levels unseen since Mao.

    The most plausible explanation I've seen is an internal power consolidation ahead of the 20th Congress. Ten years ago, before the 18th Congress, Xi's main rival, the suave English-speaking Bo Xilai got "Zero-Covided".

    The same kind of thing as Cultural Revolution (and many incidents before), no natural disasters, no intra-ethnic strife, no external enemies, just China being China.

    That and of course perhaps its a drill before Taiwan. Xi's not especially articulate in front of reporters, and as you know "Xi Jinping Thought" is really "Wang Huning Thought". But he's determined to play the part of Martial Emperor.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  44. It’s like Hillary said – At this point, what does it matter?

  45. @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:


    I'm pretty convinced it came out of US lab biotechnology not out of nature
     
    Follow up questions are immediately necessary:

    --I(a)-- How does Dr. Sachs differentiate between:
        • French lab biotechnology
        • US lab biotechnology

    --I(b)-- Could the Covid biotech be French, not American?

    --II-- Given French & American collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, how does Dr. Sachs know that US (or France) origin biotechnology was not transferred to China?
    ___

    French medical research institutions were extensive collaborators with the launch of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. (1)


    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    In 2015, French intelligence officials warned the U.S. State Department and their own foreign ministry that China was cutting back on agreed collaboration at the lab, former State Department official David Asher, now a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute think tank, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

    By 2017, the French “were kicked out” of the lab and cooperation ceased, leading French officials to warn the State Department that they had grave concerns as to Chinese motivations, according to Asher.
    ...
    In January 2018, a State Department cable warned of a lack of highly trained technicians to operate the lab in a cable first reported by The Washington Post.

    The U.S. officials who had visited the lab and made the warning via the cable were not permitted to return, because they were asking “too many questions,” according to Asher.
     

    Finding French and American lab biotechnology at the Wuhan Institute of Virology would be unsurprising. In fact, it seems inevitable.
    ___

    In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, the U.S., and any additional parties that are identified along the way. However, after the epic WHO failure, trying to compose such an investigative body is incredibly difficult at best, impossible at worst.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailysignal.com/2021/07/28/france-warned-us-in-2015-about-chinas-wuhan-lab-investigator-says/

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    What Dr. Sachs stated is:

    Sachs is a very high-ranking, ultra-Establishment American academic, and his (sensible) Ukraine views have surely gotten him enough trouble. I’m certainly not saying he explicitly blamed the American government for the Covid outbreak, but he did come awfully close to doing so. As I’ve pointed out, he strongly suggested that Covid came from an American lab and never once mentioned anything about the Wuhan lab, since that’s just propaganda-nonsense.

    In his May journal article, Sachs had called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the virus. Those seem like pretty strong hints coming from a top mainstream academic.

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says

    You’re quoting the unsubstantiated claims of David Asher, a notorious Neocon and the right-hand man of Mike Pompeo. Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there’s a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans. Do you really regard his public statements as the best evidence on the source of Covid?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    I am quite happy that the NeoConDemocrats are returning to their traditional home in the DNC War Party. If they can be rousted, that will help end unnecessary foreign misadventures such as supporting Zelensky.

    Fortunately, there is extensive evidence from other sources documenting the depth of bilateral China-France collaboration on this project. The French government openly publicized it. Therefore, my questions do not rely on the State Dept weasel that you do not like.

        --I-- What was the extent of France/China biotechnology transfer?
        --II-- How does Dr. Sachs know that the Covid biotechnology was U.S. not France/China?


    France provided the lab’s design, biosafety training, and much of its technology.

     

    http://english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201801/t20180117_189133.html

    https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?searchText=(wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology)%20AND%20(%22wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology%22)

    While top French politicians supported the collaboration, French security and defense experts did not, the French newspaper Le Figaro reported.

    National security officials did not want to share sensitive technology with an oppressive country that was not an ally and they feared the lab could one day be transformed into a “biological arsenal,” according to Le Figaro.
     
    https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-saga-how-france-helped-build-wuhans-top-security-virus-lab

    https://www.larecherche.fr/covid-19-coronavirus-politique-scientifique/la-pand%C3%A9mie-du-coronavirus-r%C3%A9v%C3%A8le-les-failles-de-la

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503

    The project took more than a decade to complete, and in February 2017, high-level French and Chinese officials held a ceremony to mark the lab’s accreditation.

    Then-French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said at the time that it was a celebration of Franco-Chinese scientific cooperation.

    To support the China-French project, France would make its technical expertise available to China to support the continuous improvement of the laboratory’s quality and safety, Cazeneuve added.
     
    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/document/document/2017/02/23.02.2017_discours_de_m._bernard_cazeneuve_premier_ministre_-_ceremonie_daccreditation_du_laboratoire_de_haute_securite_biologique_p4.pdf

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

    That would fund about 50 French scientists to help train the Chinese lab workers, the director of Inserm, a French public research organization that helped set up the Wuhan lab, told the French magazine Science & Sante in May 2017.

    However, little by little, the laboratory completely escaped the control of the French scientists who were, according to an agreement between Paris and Beijing, to supervise the work of the Chinese researchers in Wuhan, according to Le Figaro. The 50 French researchers who were to work in the lab for five years never left, the newspaper reported.
     
    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503
    ____

    Again, In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, rogue U.S. traitors, and any additional parties that are identified along the way.

    After the mid-terms, House and Senate committees will have an open mind towards investigating Establishment sedition and/or treason. I suspect the first push will be digging at BigPharma. Globalist MegaCorporations used the experimental vaccine program to line their pockets, while simultaneously ducking liability for serious adverse consequences.

    Perhaps they were able to move so quickly because of inside technical details about the virus that was later released?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You're either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  46. Sean says:

    [H]e explicitly said he was “pretty convinced” that the virus “came out of US lab biotechnology.”

    Wuhan researchers were using US lab biotechnology, it was taught to them by Professor Ralph Baric at North Carolina University, and they then continued the work in back in Wuhan.

    Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there’s a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans.

    If it was a deliberate bioweapon on China I would say Baric is the most likely person to be involved, because of his specialized expertise. There could be no doubt about the purpose of creating such a novel pathogen. However, he would certainly understand that it could not be contained in China, and he was one of a handful of researchers whose work would come under scrutiny as the origin when it caused a global pandemic.

    Lets say hypothetically that someone with the relevant level of expertise was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

  47. Don’t know if CCP propaganda against the Japs has been given a bad name, but I rather enjoyed this clip:

    [MORE]

    Better than American television certainly.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    Same as been said here about the WWII European Theatre-- the mainstream narrative of the East Asian Theatre is mostly bogus.

    European Civil War and Second Thirty Years' War has been used to designate 1914-1945. East Asian Civil War can be used to designate the period from 1927-1949, divided to three periods:

    1927-1937 First stage of KMT-CCP Civil War
    1937-1945 With Soviet facilitation, KMT and CCP forms a temporary alliance against Japan
    1945-1949 Continuation of KMT-CCP Civil War, in itself a proxy war of US-Soviet Cold War

    The KMT engaged in 20+ main battles against Japan whereas CCP barely did in one-- Hundred Regiments Offensive (1940). The PRC film omits the back story of the two sides' commanders:

    Peng Dehuai led CCP Red Army to a very limited victory. During the Cultural Revolution he was purged and died horribly, purportedly in part because Mao resented him for exposing too much of CCP's strength in 1940 against Japan, which should have been reserved later for against KMT.

    Tada Hayao was the main China Dove in the IJA and the key figure in the mediation sponsored by German ambassador Oskar Trautmann. The mediation failed in large due to China Hawks led by PM Konoe Fumimaro, an idiotic yet belligerent figure comparable to Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGTipr2Zo0

    Replies: @songbird

  48. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @A123


    What Dr. Sachs stated is:
     
    Sachs is a very high-ranking, ultra-Establishment American academic, and his (sensible) Ukraine views have surely gotten him enough trouble. I'm certainly not saying he explicitly blamed the American government for the Covid outbreak, but he did come awfully close to doing so. As I've pointed out, he strongly suggested that Covid came from an American lab and never once mentioned anything about the Wuhan lab, since that's just propaganda-nonsense.

    In his May journal article, Sachs had called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the virus. Those seem like pretty strong hints coming from a top mainstream academic.

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says
     
    You're quoting the unsubstantiated claims of David Asher, a notorious Neocon and the right-hand man of Mike Pompeo. Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there's a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans. Do you really regard his public statements as the best evidence on the source of Covid?

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

    Mr. Unz,

    I am quite happy that the NeoConDemocrats are returning to their traditional home in the DNC War Party. If they can be rousted, that will help end unnecessary foreign misadventures such as supporting Zelensky.

    Fortunately, there is extensive evidence from other sources documenting the depth of bilateral China-France collaboration on this project. The French government openly publicized it. Therefore, my questions do not rely on the State Dept weasel that you do not like.

        –I– What was the extent of France/China biotechnology transfer?
        –II– How does Dr. Sachs know that the Covid biotechnology was U.S. not France/China?

    France provided the lab’s design, biosafety training, and much of its technology.

    http://english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201801/t20180117_189133.html

    https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?searchText=(wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology)%20AND%20(%22wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology%22)

    While top French politicians supported the collaboration, French security and defense experts did not, the French newspaper Le Figaro reported.

    National security officials did not want to share sensitive technology with an oppressive country that was not an ally and they feared the lab could one day be transformed into a “biological arsenal,” according to Le Figaro.

    https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-saga-how-france-helped-build-wuhans-top-security-virus-lab

    https://www.larecherche.fr/covid-19-coronavirus-politique-scientifique/la-pand%C3%A9mie-du-coronavirus-r%C3%A9v%C3%A8le-les-failles-de-la

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503

    The project took more than a decade to complete, and in February 2017, high-level French and Chinese officials held a ceremony to mark the lab’s accreditation.

    Then-French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said at the time that it was a celebration of Franco-Chinese scientific cooperation.

    To support the China-French project, France would make its technical expertise available to China to support the continuous improvement of the laboratory’s quality and safety, Cazeneuve added.

    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/document/document/2017/02/23.02.2017_discours_de_m._bernard_cazeneuve_premier_ministre_-_ceremonie_daccreditation_du_laboratoire_de_haute_securite_biologique_p4.pdf

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

    That would fund about 50 French scientists to help train the Chinese lab workers, the director of Inserm, a French public research organization that helped set up the Wuhan lab, told the French magazine Science & Sante in May 2017.

    However, little by little, the laboratory completely escaped the control of the French scientists who were, according to an agreement between Paris and Beijing, to supervise the work of the Chinese researchers in Wuhan, according to Le Figaro. The 50 French researchers who were to work in the lab for five years never left, the newspaper reported.

    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503
    ____

    Again, In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, rogue U.S. traitors, and any additional parties that are identified along the way.

    After the mid-terms, House and Senate committees will have an open mind towards investigating Establishment sedition and/or treason. I suspect the first push will be digging at BigPharma. Globalist MegaCorporations used the experimental vaccine program to line their pockets, while simultaneously ducking liability for serious adverse consequences.

    Perhaps they were able to move so quickly because of inside technical details about the virus that was later released?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @216
    @A123

    Any blaming of "the US" as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can't use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123, @RadicalCenter

  49. 216 says: • Website
    @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    I am quite happy that the NeoConDemocrats are returning to their traditional home in the DNC War Party. If they can be rousted, that will help end unnecessary foreign misadventures such as supporting Zelensky.

    Fortunately, there is extensive evidence from other sources documenting the depth of bilateral China-France collaboration on this project. The French government openly publicized it. Therefore, my questions do not rely on the State Dept weasel that you do not like.

        --I-- What was the extent of France/China biotechnology transfer?
        --II-- How does Dr. Sachs know that the Covid biotechnology was U.S. not France/China?


    France provided the lab’s design, biosafety training, and much of its technology.

     

    http://english.whiov.cas.cn/ne/201801/t20180117_189133.html

    https://foia.state.gov/Search/Results.aspx?searchText=(wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology)%20AND%20(%22wuhan%20institute%20of%20virology%22)

    While top French politicians supported the collaboration, French security and defense experts did not, the French newspaper Le Figaro reported.

    National security officials did not want to share sensitive technology with an oppressive country that was not an ally and they feared the lab could one day be transformed into a “biological arsenal,” according to Le Figaro.
     
    https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-saga-how-france-helped-build-wuhans-top-security-virus-lab

    https://www.larecherche.fr/covid-19-coronavirus-politique-scientifique/la-pand%C3%A9mie-du-coronavirus-r%C3%A9v%C3%A8le-les-failles-de-la

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503

    The project took more than a decade to complete, and in February 2017, high-level French and Chinese officials held a ceremony to mark the lab’s accreditation.

    Then-French Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said at the time that it was a celebration of Franco-Chinese scientific cooperation.

    To support the China-French project, France would make its technical expertise available to China to support the continuous improvement of the laboratory’s quality and safety, Cazeneuve added.
     
    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.gouvernement.fr/sites/default/files/document/document/2017/02/23.02.2017_discours_de_m._bernard_cazeneuve_premier_ministre_-_ceremonie_daccreditation_du_laboratoire_de_haute_securite_biologique_p4.pdf

    https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/25/5/18-0220_article

    That would fund about 50 French scientists to help train the Chinese lab workers, the director of Inserm, a French public research organization that helped set up the Wuhan lab, told the French magazine Science & Sante in May 2017.

    However, little by little, the laboratory completely escaped the control of the French scientists who were, according to an agreement between Paris and Beijing, to supervise the work of the Chinese researchers in Wuhan, according to Le Figaro. The 50 French researchers who were to work in the lab for five years never left, the newspaper reported.
     
    https://fr.calameo.com/read/005154450f13109773bd9

    https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/covid-19-le-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-revient-au-coeur-de-la-polemique-20210503
    ____

    Again, In principal, I am not opposed to an objective investigation of France, China, rogue U.S. traitors, and any additional parties that are identified along the way.

    After the mid-terms, House and Senate committees will have an open mind towards investigating Establishment sedition and/or treason. I suspect the first push will be digging at BigPharma. Globalist MegaCorporations used the experimental vaccine program to line their pockets, while simultaneously ducking liability for serious adverse consequences.

    Perhaps they were able to move so quickly because of inside technical details about the virus that was later released?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @216

    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can’t use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

    • Replies: @AP
    @216

    Jeffrey Sachs is a long-time shill for China. He would support any theory that would take the heat off China for Covid. This does not necessarily mean he is wrong about Covid, of course, but keep it mind when he makes claims:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2080439/jeffrey-sachs-a-xi-propagandist-

    Jeffrey Sachs: a Xi propagandist?

    Replies: @Sean

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @216


    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.
     
    In early 2020, the people most eager to share videos of mayhem in Wuhan were US right wingers eager to see collapse and misery in China. The Wuhan fainting video phenomenon was the work of American right wing nationalists. It backfired because it terrified so many people in the US that the population was amenable to a lockdown, setting a bad pattern for 18 months.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @216


    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda
     
    The purpose of a "well constructed" wide ranging investigation is finding the truth. Unfortunately, I see little to no chance for "constructing" a credible body. Everything the UN/NWO touches becomes a disaster.
    ___

    The most plausible explanation is:
        • WIV's experimentation created COVID-19.
        • And, the release was unintentional.

    Timing supports this theory. The virus appeared during the pre-holiday period where the lowest rung of employees were financially pressed by advance booking train passage. Stealing & selling apparently healthy lab animals slated for destruction is the type of misjudgment that non-scientists could easily make.
    ____

    The idea of an unauthorized attack on China has huge logic problems. Why would Establishment Globalists attack their CCP ally? The Deep State views China as a friend. Both American Leftoids and CCP Elites were highly motivated to place Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the target was America. A #NeverTrump rogue operation aimed directly at democracy. Any investigation should exonerate U.S. citizens victimized by multinational MegaCorporations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @RadicalCenter
    @216

    We have no idea whether China is responsible. I wouldn't put any atrocity past them OR the rulers of the US, the EU, The open-Air Prison Formerly Known As Australia, etc., so it's hard to say.

    Is there a specific basis for you acting certain that China is to blame for the release of this virus?

  50. AP says:

    Jeffrey Sachs is apparently a long-time and strong advocate for China. Thus, it would make sense for him to support an origin story for Covid that would contradict the Chinese lab-leak hypothesis.

    https://www.ncregister.com/blog/jeffrey-sachs-and-the-vatican-silent-on-china-s-rights-abuses?gclid=CjwKCAjw2f-VBhAsEiwAO4lNeE_1w4gowgd5LT5sNBNbVohi5PAa8rMnrrq_VeKZbeyuXfl0ebHqlxoCXR8QAvD_BwE

    He has worked with George Soros and Bill and Melinda Gates, the strongly pro-abortion and pro-contraception billionaire philanthropists, and has been a supporter of the former presidential candidate and socialist Bernie Sanders. At the same time he has been a bitter and vociferous opponent of former President Donald Trump, and throughout last year’s presidential campaign he appeared on Chinese state media to blast U.S. foreign policy as a “crusade against China.”

    [MORE]

    professor Jeffrey Sachs, a regular speaker at the Vatican on sustainable development and climate change, who has long been an apologist and zealous defender of the Chinese Communist Party while remaining silent about its human rights abuses.

    A population control advocate whom for well over a decade the Vatican has regularly relied upon as an expert on the environment and other global issues, Sachs has frequently urged cooperation with the communist regime, seeing advantages of engagement and dialogue over hawkish, confrontational diplomacy which he has often derided.

    The Columbia University economics professor, who advises both the U.N. and the Holy See on the environment, warned last August against escalating tensions with the People’s Republic and in 2019 took himself off Twitter after comments he made defending the Chinese tech giant Huawei caused a media storm (Sachs continues to be a supporter of the company, which critics say is a tool for Chinese espionage).

    Meanwhile, he has dismissed the human rights atrocities against the Uyghurs as “propaganda” against the Chinese government but backtracked in 2018, tweeting he was “trying to understand” the situation.

    In more recent articles, Sachs has continued to promote a diplomatic approach to the Communist regime similar to the Holy See — one that is silent about Beijing’s human rights violations while arguing for cooperation. According to Yuichiro Kakutani, writing in The Washington Free Beacon last November, Sachs has maintained “a long relationship with the Chinese government and business elite, which can be traced back to at least the early 2000s.”

    ::::::::::::::

    He is also not a biologist but an economist, and much of his background is involved in economic development (he was apparently heavily involved in shock therapy policies for eastern European countries transitioning from the Communist system):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs

  51. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    but France managed to do it anyway
     
    To a large extent because of nuclear power, and I'm pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
    Germany's government is still intent on closing down the three remaining nuclear power stations at the end of the year (three others could apparently be re-activated without too much trouble, but that also isn't being considered). Instead they're increasing reliance on dirty coal power, but I doubt that will be sufficient either to avert disaster in winter. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend

    I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.

    I’ve been consistent in saying I have nothing ideological against nuclear energy, but that its advocates have to address the yawning cost overruns. That’s shouldn’t be interpreted as an endorsement of fossil fuels, so that excuse doesn’t wash for Germany’s tardiness in moving away from dirty fuels. Should have happened a long time ago.

    The Greens have a lot to answer for.

    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally. Greens in other countries are often more pragmatic, e.g. France and Eastern Europe. In our national culture, the green party is marginal since the mainstream parties are very strong in their environmental bona fides, and so they don’t set or dictate as much of the debate.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s. Germany’s addiction to dirty fuels is now coming back to bite it, and unfortunately those of us who were responsible have to foot the bill for your failed policies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally.
     
    Because Greens and their sympathizers in the media (especially in public broadcasting) demonized nuclear power for 30 years. Even stupid crime dramas on television featured plots about the nuclear industry murdering people to cover up incidents. And stuff like this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wolke
    which was no doubt read in many school classes and also made into a movie.
    Germany's political culture is deeply warped and there is indeed no rational debate - not just about nuclear power, but about pretty much anything - but this isn't something that just happened, it's the result of a part of the (West) German bourgeoisie adopting absolutely retarded beliefs and forcing them on society through their control of discourse-shaping positions.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s.
     
    If I understand correctly, much of Sweden's energy supply comes from hydro and from nuclear power. The former probably isn't possible in Germany like it is in Scandinavia, and the latter has been given up for the ideological reasons I mentioned above.
    And sure, it's ridiculous that they're now going to fire up the polluting coal plants again. But the issue is that at least with current technology you can't run Germany on renewables alone. So one has to make a choice, either nuclear or fossil fuels. People who categorically reject both are essentially agitating for major de-industrialization.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  52. AP says:
    @216
    @A123

    Any blaming of "the US" as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can't use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123, @RadicalCenter

    Jeffrey Sachs is a long-time shill for China. He would support any theory that would take the heat off China for Covid. This does not necessarily mean he is wrong about Covid, of course, but keep it mind when he makes claims:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2080439/jeffrey-sachs-a-xi-propagandist-

    Jeffrey Sachs: a Xi propagandist?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    Science has replaced religion as the plausible lying is concerned, It is really the international scientific community--worried about a backlash ban against all research--that is trying to cover up what was in all probability some kind of a lab leak in Wuhan that implicates the US for funding the work that should not have been done. A Wuhan lab leak of a natural virus is the most likely explanation. Accidental release of an Gain Of Function or other virologic techniques engineered virus is a secodary contender. You have to look at the propinquity of the labs working with bats and theri viruses in Wuhan, not just the big French built one but the CDC one that was a few football field away from the seafood market and had moved their a very short time before the outbreak. Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    By my way of thinking a bioweapon attack is extremely unlikely because it it not obviously true that China can overtake the United States, or that an act of was such as a bioweapon attack would required, certainly not that it be done with a virus that predictably caused a global pandemic. Hypothetically, say someone, necessarily with with the relevant level of expertise, was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  53. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    I’m pretty sure I remember negative comments of yours about nuclear power.
     
    I've been consistent in saying I have nothing ideological against nuclear energy, but that its advocates have to address the yawning cost overruns. That's shouldn't be interpreted as an endorsement of fossil fuels, so that excuse doesn't wash for Germany's tardiness in moving away from dirty fuels. Should have happened a long time ago.

    The Greens have a lot to answer for.
     
    I think it's more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can't be discussed rationally. Greens in other countries are often more pragmatic, e.g. France and Eastern Europe. In our national culture, the green party is marginal since the mainstream parties are very strong in their environmental bona fides, and so they don't set or dictate as much of the debate.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s. Germany's addiction to dirty fuels is now coming back to bite it, and unfortunately those of us who were responsible have to foot the bill for your failed policies.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally.

    Because Greens and their sympathizers in the media (especially in public broadcasting) demonized nuclear power for 30 years. Even stupid crime dramas on television featured plots about the nuclear industry murdering people to cover up incidents. And stuff like this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wolke
    which was no doubt read in many school classes and also made into a movie.
    Germany’s political culture is deeply warped and there is indeed no rational debate – not just about nuclear power, but about pretty much anything – but this isn’t something that just happened, it’s the result of a part of the (West) German bourgeoisie adopting absolutely retarded beliefs and forcing them on society through their control of discourse-shaping positions.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s.

    If I understand correctly, much of Sweden’s energy supply comes from hydro and from nuclear power. The former probably isn’t possible in Germany like it is in Scandinavia, and the latter has been given up for the ideological reasons I mentioned above.
    And sure, it’s ridiculous that they’re now going to fire up the polluting coal plants again. But the issue is that at least with current technology you can’t run Germany on renewables alone. So one has to make a choice, either nuclear or fossil fuels. People who categorically reject both are essentially agitating for major de-industrialization.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    That's interesting, thanks. Your comment goes a bit further in understanding the anti-nuclear mania in Germany which makes it such an outlier in Europe. Even today, your government is dragging its feet.

    You're correct in noting that the backbone in the Swedish energy system in hydro and not nuclear. In my humble view, obsessing over nuclear is a bit of a red herring. The goal should be low-carbon & low-pollution energy. The exact way this will be achieved will vary between countries.

    Sweden has chosen a path that is primarily going to be based on renewables with nuclear only playing second fiddle. Its share in our energy grid has steadily declined and will continue to decline.

    However, successive governments - both left and right - have continued to resist a rapid phaseout. Indeed, just a few days ago, our current left-wing government announced a new SMR-type "minireactor" proposal to be built near Ringhals. If all goes according to plan, these reactors would go live in the early 2030s. So we're not only maintaining but indeed expanding our nuclear capacity.

    At the same time, we're planning the biggest offshore wind farm in the world. Expansion plans for renewable energy are so aggressive that its share will steadily share and eclipse nuclear energy in years to come.

    One final point. I think it's a mistake to overly focus on your green party. The buck stops with the Chancellor, does it not? Ultimately it is he who is responsible for the government's policy. The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    Sweden's energy policy was largely decided in the 1950s-1980s. France began planning their nuclear-first path under de Gaulle. West Germany had plenty of opportunities under a series of Chancellors of various political stripes to choose a similar path but instead chose a fossil fuel-dependent direction. That failure is now a problem everyone of us has a stake to solve, given the deep integration of the EU energy grid. And we will.

    Replies: @German_reader

  54. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    For AP, from the older thread.

    https://i.postimg.cc/j5L1m2bW/Khohol.jpg


    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament through an illegal coup.
     
    That's right.

    Therefore it doesn't make sense to point out that the agreement was illegal, as the government itself was illegal in the first place.

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.
     
    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.

    The political and economic reforms are the most positive changes since the end of the USSR. The outcome of this war is not about returning a piece of territories but restoration of independence.

    And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them.
     
    No but could have done.

    Good that you acknowledge that this [permission to settle on these territories] was an exchange for services, not a gift.
     
    Those territories were a part of the Empire called New Russia. Not Ukraine.

    The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization.
     
    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.

    Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.
     
    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.

    A great Russian surgeon Pirogov bought an estate in what is now Ukraine and lived there, but he wasn't a Ukrainian because there was no Ukraine back then and he wasn't born there. He was a Russian scientist.

    Mikhail Bulgakov was born in Kiev when it was a governorate of the Russian Empire. He was not a Ukrainian. You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that's fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian.

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].
     
    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.

    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition.
     
    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.

    The Germans had it when they gifted it.
     
    And then it was cancelled and annulled, so it doesn't matter. The Germans had it, and then the Russians had it.

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.
     
    And it doesn't matter because it was overwritten later, soon enough. You can't stop the time, and seem to have a habit to ignore that a failure is a failure.

    That agreement lasted six months.

    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield.
     
    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their "brothers" and neighbors. The Poles despise them, and hate them, and haven't forgotten that. Perhaps the Poles will get their territories back, and then drive out the Ukrainians out of there.

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.
     
    You begin to insult people, when losing an argument.

    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US, we were taught the fundamental sciences a lot better. You, an American doctor, can't count, can't reason, and don't know much about history.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

    How ironic.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist, an ignorant and half-retarded fool, full of self-importance. A pathetic being, boasting of his imaginable nobleness.

    You are a product of that corrupt cabal of bootlicker bitches, who got rich from stealing from the Soviet people, purchasing a million dollar apartment with the rent, coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.

    So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival.
     
    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities. The Ukrainian peasants were an illiterate foreign horde, taking over the cities the Russian people had built.

    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.
     
    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles, who lost the war and were driven out of the Russian land.

    Replies: @AP

    “Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.”

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.

    It seems that their Syrian experience didn’t help much.

    “And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them.”

    No but could have done.

    Maybe, maybe not – but they did not. The territories of southern Ukraine were liberated with the help of Ukrainian forces, who knew the area quite well and who were experienced at fighting Turks and Tatars. The hypothetical is irrelevant.

    “The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization.”

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities (Odessa only had 9,000 people in 1803, growing to 194,000 in the 1870s). Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the overwhelmingly rural regions.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.

    Correct, and they were also Ukrainian Cossacks who were given land grants and noble title in exchange for settlement. I already gave you an example of such a family – the Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov, whose Ukrainian Cossack ancestors came to these lands in the early 1800s and whose father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Also, part of New Russia included the Zaporozhian lands, who already have over 100,000 free Ukrainian peasant/farmer settlers in the mid 18th century, before Russia took those lands over.

    “Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.”

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. He was a typical minor Ukrainian nobleman, his father (the writer Dostoyevsky’s grandfather) had been a Greek Catholic priest with a small estate. Mikhail Dostoyevsky studied medicine and moved to Moscow. He married a Russian woman. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    “You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian.”

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language in his life:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.

    Yes, you see peasants as something that you and not they are are – a humanoid earth worm.

    “So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition.”

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.

    Well first you claim that only he himself referred to himself as that. Then when it was shown to you that the Orthodox Patriarch’s men and the Sultan also referred to him as such, you now claim something else. This claim is wrong like the others. Khmelnytsky was sovereign in his territory, independently controlling his own army, making and administering his own laws, making treaties with other countries.

    The Donbas republics, on the other hand, are not. They do only what the Russia tells them to do.

    “Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield.”

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors.

    Indeed, civil wars between brothers can be very brutal. Fortunately those times have passed. This Russian invasion of Ukraine has really done much to put that tragedy in the past and to reconcile the two brotherly peoples.

    The Poles despise them, and hate them

    Wishful thinking by a Soviet degenerate worm.

    I was just in Poland in April, Poles in general like Ukrainians. Many of them are even taking Ukrainians into their own homes, people who own apartments are providing them shelter for free, etc.

    [MORE]

    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US,

    You personally prove that it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts (see above), innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct all along), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    You had a poor, second-rate power that fell further and further behind until it just fell apart in запой and crime (the only thing Sovok Sharikovs are really good at). Its legacy was a murder rate worse than in Central America.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

    How cute that a Sharikov “thinks” such things.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist

    Sharikov is too dumb or too blind to imagine or see anything beyond his own nose.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human. Funnily enough, the same can be said for your grotesque experiment of a state, and its immediate descendants. I tell you the truth about yourself. But just because I correctly place you where you belong in relation almost every other person commenting here, including me, does not make me proud or arrogant. As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.

    coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended. In this case it is a false and stupid claim, but your implication about universal moral corruption of Soviet people such as yourself has a whiff of truth to it, at least. Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.

    You call Soviet people who got apartments from the state shit? That’s most of them. You are starting to recognize yourself at last.

    “So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival.”

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities.

    They were small provincial cities or towns before the Ukrainians came.

    “They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.”

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles,

    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne (the last Rurikid to rule a country). These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    This is why Western Europeans need to cut off the supply of arms to Kiev. Big headed Poles and Ukies threatening to drag everyone civilized into an unwinnable confrontation. You are mad.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/mr13fkSJ/Ape.jpg


    You personally prove that [Soviet education was superior] it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts, innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).
     
    Very funny, chimpanzee.

    Very amazing seeing how your narcissist brain manages to twist facts to seemingly fit your expectations.

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed, but you were asked to explain how you arrived to that figure, which you were reluctant to do. Then you said it was a guess, and then you were given the correct number.

    You still don't have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn't. You will probably have to write emails to your friends to help you figure it out. Here is a reminder for you – a PISA score has the mean of 500 and deviation 100, an IQ sore has the mean of 100 and deviation 15. Scale one to the other.

    Prove you are not that dumb.

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong. You keep doing it now, like a complete idiot.

    And regarding logic, dumbass. You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Even a complete idiot should understand that it would be an impossible task.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human.
     
    You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords, who were impregnating teenage Ukrainian women, when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Mine were not. So shut your stinking mouth up, you piece of Polish spermatozoid.

    As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.
     
    You don't have enough intelligence to estimate the difference. Your entire thinking process is emotional, like that of a woman. And what you have told me is worth less than a woman's mumbling.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.
     
    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    Your family are a bunch of thieves.

    Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.
     
    You have no idea what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend the concept of truth.


    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

     

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus'.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus' was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus' land.

    Later the Rus' gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well. Liberated its land.

    You can continue masturbate on that old map.

    But now Russia is back again, and these Polish fantasies about the Intermarium will never materialize. You bitches will be beaten, and will learn your place once again.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin. You are little punk ass bitches with a big mouth, incapable of any organized activity whatsoever. You will be beaten with a bitch slap.

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.
     
    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Even the smaller but genuine nations around them contributed to the world a lot more. The Romanians had Enescu the Hungarians had Bartok. The Poles and Lithuanians had magnates – the exploiters of people, incapable of creating anything worth remembering.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language.
     
    Nikolai Gogol's father ain't shit. He is known as nothing but Nikolai Gogol's father.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian, and you are a fool if you believe that he did even though you are not sure of that. You are a fool in any case.

    Fool.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.
     
    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map. He was born in Russia and was a Russian.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities. Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the rural regions.
     
    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians. Some were founded and built by the Poles, some by the Lithuanians. There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded and built by the Ukrainians.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    You were never meant to have a state, never had what it takes to maintain one. You are not even a real nation, and not even a real ethnos. You are nothing, but a bunch of bastards with IQ below average.

    Replies: @AP

  55. AP says:
    @Mikhail
    More on an earlier poll mentioned at the prior thread:

    https://twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1542502890308112385

    Replies: @AP

    According to that poll, 82% of Ukrainians assess a great deal of responsibility for the war to Russia, 47% to the Ukrainian government, 26% to the USA, 24% to NATO, and 14% to Ukrainian ultra-nationalists.

    The tweet’s author also adds (you have go to the link on the tweet): “It’s plausible that many understand the US/NATO responsibility as sending weapons “too little too late” and Ukraine’s for not preparing enough.”

    The same poll also shows that 68% of Ukrainians strongly favor and a further 21% somewhat favor keeping Ukrainian as the only state language.

    It also shows that the majority of the Ukrainian people do not want to negotiate away any Ukrainian territory. This means that the war will not end soon.

  56. @Beckow
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    These Donbas Russians don't exist for many people who comment here. No matter how many testimonies, they only see their own side. Russians are all invaders and orcs - Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Some like Zelko suggest that Russians who insist in keeping their identity should move to Russia - and retards in Hollywood clap - or maybe they are not retarded, and this is what they always wanted. Some fanatics dream about Intermarium, I assume no Russian orc would be allowed to live in the Intermarium: out with them, they are Asiatic "Khanate" savages - Lviv and Krakow thugs don't want them around.

    This is a clear violation of the very basic human rights by EU's own standards. But EU did nothing and said nothing. We have a war to fix it. It could make things worse, but why was Kiev allowed by EU for 8 years to do this? And why are so many here still defending it? Right, "orcs" - "kill them all"...and they are surprised they are losing the war.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?

    Do not manipulate again. The invading army are “orcs”, not Donbas residents.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the 'orcs', doesn't that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east this summer and liberates Donbas?

    That's the crux of the war: what to do with the orchites you pretend don't exist. So you better have an answer. The Latvian way - deprive them of citizenship, schools, language - won't cut it. Russians are now paying attention, EU still isn't but soon will.

    Replies: @AP

  57. @Thulean Friend
    Get ready for a harsh winter.

    https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1542759108914323456

    A sadistic part of me want the fossil fuel-addicted countries to suffer, for it is divine justice when they didn't phase out dirty energy when they all had the chance to do so for decades.

    We did so in the 1980s already, long before it was cool to be an environmentalist. Yes, hydro is not available to everyone but France managed to do it anyway so don't give me that excuse.

    Unfortunately, now we and the French don't get to reap the rewards because of the integrated EU grid, unfairly punishing us for the unwise decisions of others.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LondonBob

    FT saying we, Britain, will cut off our gas pipelines for continental Europe this winter. We still produce a reasonable amount and we also have a lot of LNG terminals.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob

    It's more a case of "if we have to, in order that our people don't freeze".

    At the moment we are pumping gas to Europe as fast as we can do it. Basically the UK and Spain are the countries with big terminals for receiving liquified natural gas (LNG) from places like the Gulf.

    https://jpt.spe.org/uks-lng-infrastructure-export-pipelines-offer-europe-a-bridge-to-energy-security


    "The UK has been a net importer of gas since 2005, covering 50% of demand with its own production from the North and Irish Seas plus associated petroleum gas from oil fields.

    Norway supplies about 30% of UK imports via pipeline, with LNG from Qatar, the US, and Russia accounting for a bit more than 15%, according to the Outlook.

    Any surplus gas in the system can then be exported to Europe via the BBL pipeline to the Netherlands (Bacton to Balgzand) or through the Interconnector pipeline to Belgium (Bacton to Zeebrugge.) The ability to regasify LNG from anywhere in the world and then deliver it to Europe by pipeline makes Britain an “energy bridge” that can wean Europe off Russian energy while longer-term solutions are put into place.

    This summer, UK gas exports to the EU could reach 5.1 Bcm, far beyond the volumes of 2021, when exports totaled only 0.7 Bcm because cold summers had drawn down the UK’s gas reserves, according to National Grid which noted that the increased exports are to be based on “commercial agreements” as opposed to intergovernmental agreements.

    LNG is expected to play a major role in boosting EU gas supplies from new sources globally, with more cargos directed in the near term to the UK’s three regasification terminals—Grain LNG (the UK’s largest) on the Thames Estuary, Kent; and the South Hook and Dragon regasification terminals in Wales."
     

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  58. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    I guess this is what comes of an insistence on ideological purity rather than realpolitick. Burning more coal and gas rather than reactivating a couple nuclear plants is self defeating to their cause, but they probably feel that losing ground on the nuclear front is impossible.

    I suspect that the Greens will join Thulean Friend in applauding whatever discomfort comes down the pike, as they probably feel it will vindicate them for not being heeded sooner.

    It does look like it's going to get a bit grim this winter for many here in the US, but I'm sure even more so in Europe. I'm glad I burn wood...

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    I have read the nuclear plants would only supply four percent of needs. The simple solution would be to stop following US dictats and implement the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians, if humanitarian concerns weren’t enough, maybe self interest will be?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians
     
    How would you know about that, and what does "generous" mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LondonBob

  59. @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Most people seem to implicitly think it leaked from the Wuhan lab, which of course is the account that makes most sense after it being from nature. This is the reason the media doesn’t report it anymore. It isn’t news.
     
    That's certainly the impression people might form if they get their knowledge of the world from "chatter" on the Western Internet. But there's actually ZERO evidence it came from the Wuhan lab and considerable evidence that it didn't. For example, the best eyewitness was an experienced Australian virologist named Danielle Anderson who was working at the Wuhan lab during that period and is extremely doubtful that it was either created there or leaked from the facility.

    Last December, the WSJ ran a page of reviews on several new books all endorsing the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and I discussed them at length in an article you might want to examine:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob

    The media and government seem deeply uninterested in the origin of covid 19 now, the dog that didn’t bark.

    I expect the catastrophic consequences of the mRNA vaccines will be the bigger issue now. I agree with Jacob Dreizin (https://rumble.com/v1auo3e-2022-07-02-the-corona-brace-for-impact.html?mref=15jk98&mc=aftu3) and have seen myself the disastrous side effects. The infertility issue is starting to raise its head too now.

  60. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob
    @Barbarossa

    I have read the nuclear plants would only supply four percent of needs. The simple solution would be to stop following US dictats and implement the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians, if humanitarian concerns weren't enough, maybe self interest will be?

    Replies: @German_reader

    the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians

    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.
     
    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime's behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict's end and Ukraine's boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn't pursue in the years prior to Russia's Donbass independence recognition.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @German_reader

    , @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    Replies: @German_reader

  61. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz
    @A123


    What Dr. Sachs stated is:
     
    Sachs is a very high-ranking, ultra-Establishment American academic, and his (sensible) Ukraine views have surely gotten him enough trouble. I'm certainly not saying he explicitly blamed the American government for the Covid outbreak, but he did come awfully close to doing so. As I've pointed out, he strongly suggested that Covid came from an American lab and never once mentioned anything about the Wuhan lab, since that's just propaganda-nonsense.

    In his May journal article, Sachs had called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the virus. Those seem like pretty strong hints coming from a top mainstream academic.

    France Warned US in 2015 About China’s Wuhan Lab, Investigator Says
     
    You're quoting the unsubstantiated claims of David Asher, a notorious Neocon and the right-hand man of Mike Pompeo. Since Pompeo is the most likely suspect behind the Covid outbreak, there's a pretty good possibility that Asher was one of the conspirators who caused the deaths of over a million Americans. Do you really regard his public statements as the best evidence on the source of Covid?

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.
     
    You're just some dishonest Neocon troll.

    I carefully read the May academic paper by Sachs, and don't recall those claims. I've also watched his entire talk at the Spanish thinktank, and it's the same story---absolutely no mention of the Wuhan lab. Instead, his mention of the Covid outbreak comes in close conjunction with his discussion of the extremely dangerous and aggressive actions of America against China and Russia, perhaps further implying why the virus suddenly appeared.

    As I've pointed out in my articles, there's simply no evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak, and it's heartening that the chairman of the Lancet commission on Covid is now beginning to point his finger in the correct direction.

    For anyone interested in more information in a convenient published form, here's my collection of articles on the subject:

    https://www.amazon.com/Our-Covid-19-Catastrophe-Epidemic-Biowarfare/dp/B0B3SJH2QW/

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  62. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    I think it’s more a case of Germans and Austrians having a weird political culture where nuclear energy can’t be discussed rationally.
     
    Because Greens and their sympathizers in the media (especially in public broadcasting) demonized nuclear power for 30 years. Even stupid crime dramas on television featured plots about the nuclear industry murdering people to cover up incidents. And stuff like this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Wolke
    which was no doubt read in many school classes and also made into a movie.
    Germany's political culture is deeply warped and there is indeed no rational debate - not just about nuclear power, but about pretty much anything - but this isn't something that just happened, it's the result of a part of the (West) German bourgeoisie adopting absolutely retarded beliefs and forcing them on society through their control of discourse-shaping positions.

    Besides, we phased out most of our dirty fuels already back in the 1980s.
     
    If I understand correctly, much of Sweden's energy supply comes from hydro and from nuclear power. The former probably isn't possible in Germany like it is in Scandinavia, and the latter has been given up for the ideological reasons I mentioned above.
    And sure, it's ridiculous that they're now going to fire up the polluting coal plants again. But the issue is that at least with current technology you can't run Germany on renewables alone. So one has to make a choice, either nuclear or fossil fuels. People who categorically reject both are essentially agitating for major de-industrialization.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    That’s interesting, thanks. Your comment goes a bit further in understanding the anti-nuclear mania in Germany which makes it such an outlier in Europe. Even today, your government is dragging its feet.

    You’re correct in noting that the backbone in the Swedish energy system in hydro and not nuclear. In my humble view, obsessing over nuclear is a bit of a red herring. The goal should be low-carbon & low-pollution energy. The exact way this will be achieved will vary between countries.

    Sweden has chosen a path that is primarily going to be based on renewables with nuclear only playing second fiddle. Its share in our energy grid has steadily declined and will continue to decline.

    However, successive governments – both left and right – have continued to resist a rapid phaseout. Indeed, just a few days ago, our current left-wing government announced a new SMR-type “minireactor” proposal to be built near Ringhals. If all goes according to plan, these reactors would go live in the early 2030s. So we’re not only maintaining but indeed expanding our nuclear capacity.

    At the same time, we’re planning the biggest offshore wind farm in the world. Expansion plans for renewable energy are so aggressive that its share will steadily share and eclipse nuclear energy in years to come.

    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party. The buck stops with the Chancellor, does it not? Ultimately it is he who is responsible for the government’s policy. The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    Sweden’s energy policy was largely decided in the 1950s-1980s. France began planning their nuclear-first path under de Gaulle. West Germany had plenty of opportunities under a series of Chancellors of various political stripes to choose a similar path but instead chose a fossil fuel-dependent direction. That failure is now a problem everyone of us has a stake to solve, given the deep integration of the EU energy grid. And we will.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party.
     

    I hate them. From my pov their influence has been totally destructive, there's not a single redeeming feature about them. Obviously today's SPD and CDU/CSU are also terrible from my perspective (it's "far right" after all as you've previously noted), but at least one can argue that Christian Democracy and Social Democracy once were movements with a lot of positive achievements which integrated and represented large swathes of the population. I can't see anything positive about the Greens at all, they're essentially a hyper-moralistic, anti-national sect whose ideas are nonsensical. But they've got a totally outsized influence, because so many of their sympathizers are in the media (not least in public broadcasting), studies have shown massive overrepresentation. So no, even if SPD wanted to move against them on the energy issue (and SPD is pretty terrible too), it wouldn't be easy. This is also a class issue to some extent. Greens are the rich man's party, but not of rich people who actually create something, but of a spoiled, parasitical bourgeoisie in state employment. iirc a plurality or even a majority of civil servants, especially those in higher positions, voted for them in the last election. And now you've got a cunt like Habeck (essentially a writer of fiction for teenagers) who's telling people they should save energy by showering for a shorter time or reducing heating, and others who say rising prices for food items are good, food shouldn't be cheap anyway etc. There should be some serious potential for a massive social explosion here, but of course Germans aren't like the French and will just take everything.

    The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.
     
    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens' major successes and wouldn't have happened without their influence.
    And you can't run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven't been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don't want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant, the Greens are a subject that triggers me.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Thulean Friend

  63. @Ron Unz
    I just discovered something remarkable...

    I've been very pleased with how my video interviews have been doing on Rumble, with one of them just above 200K views and another just below. Obviously, that's nothing remotely like the 25M views on Youtube for John Mearsheimer's Ukraine lecture, but still extremely nice from my perspective. However, I got curious about how those numbers compare with other videos.

    The podcasters who interviewed me are pretty small and most of their other videos generally got just a few hundred or a couple of thousand views, partly because Rumble has a much smaller audience.

    Until earlier this year, I'd never paid much attention to video platforms, though I'd known that Youtube had started banning and shadow-banning people and topics around 2017. There was a big NYT article saying that Rumble had become the preferred choice for creators banned by Youtube, especially conservatives. Apparently, Youtube's traffic is roughly 100x that of Rumble, so it provides a vastly greater potential audience:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/28/business/media/rumble-social-media-conservatives-videos.html

    After Alex Jones was banned by Youtube, he moved to Rumble and has 100K subscribers, but if you search for "Alex Jones" and rank his videos by views, only 2 of the many hundreds of videos are above 200K views. For "Tucker Carlson" about a dozen are above 300K, but the overwhelming majority are far below 100K views.

    After RT was banned by Youtube, it moved to Rumble, but except for its continuing Livestream video, only four of its thousands of videos are above 100K views and the vast majority are below 10K.

    https://rumble.com/c/RTNews?sort=views

    So overall, I'm really pretty pleased with how my own Covid video interviews are stacking up...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    There is something pleasing in getting a bunch of people to take some completely stupid theory seriously, but QAnon got there first.

  64. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @216
    @A123

    Any blaming of "the US" as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can't use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123, @RadicalCenter

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    In early 2020, the people most eager to share videos of mayhem in Wuhan were US right wingers eager to see collapse and misery in China. The Wuhan fainting video phenomenon was the work of American right wing nationalists. It backfired because it terrified so many people in the US that the population was amenable to a lockdown, setting a bad pattern for 18 months.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    This would be the only time in history that anyone listened to Anglin though.

    There could be a forensic study of the dissemination of these falling down videos.

    I'm curious to know what you mean as you describe as American Right Wing Nationalists. How did those so-described nationalists manipulate Italy, Spain and Iran into falling apart in Jan and Feb 2020?

    Is Anglin popular in Milan and Tehran?

  65. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    That's interesting, thanks. Your comment goes a bit further in understanding the anti-nuclear mania in Germany which makes it such an outlier in Europe. Even today, your government is dragging its feet.

    You're correct in noting that the backbone in the Swedish energy system in hydro and not nuclear. In my humble view, obsessing over nuclear is a bit of a red herring. The goal should be low-carbon & low-pollution energy. The exact way this will be achieved will vary between countries.

    Sweden has chosen a path that is primarily going to be based on renewables with nuclear only playing second fiddle. Its share in our energy grid has steadily declined and will continue to decline.

    However, successive governments - both left and right - have continued to resist a rapid phaseout. Indeed, just a few days ago, our current left-wing government announced a new SMR-type "minireactor" proposal to be built near Ringhals. If all goes according to plan, these reactors would go live in the early 2030s. So we're not only maintaining but indeed expanding our nuclear capacity.

    At the same time, we're planning the biggest offshore wind farm in the world. Expansion plans for renewable energy are so aggressive that its share will steadily share and eclipse nuclear energy in years to come.

    One final point. I think it's a mistake to overly focus on your green party. The buck stops with the Chancellor, does it not? Ultimately it is he who is responsible for the government's policy. The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    Sweden's energy policy was largely decided in the 1950s-1980s. France began planning their nuclear-first path under de Gaulle. West Germany had plenty of opportunities under a series of Chancellors of various political stripes to choose a similar path but instead chose a fossil fuel-dependent direction. That failure is now a problem everyone of us has a stake to solve, given the deep integration of the EU energy grid. And we will.

    Replies: @German_reader

    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party.

    [MORE]

    I hate them. From my pov their influence has been totally destructive, there’s not a single redeeming feature about them. Obviously today’s SPD and CDU/CSU are also terrible from my perspective (it’s “far right” after all as you’ve previously noted), but at least one can argue that Christian Democracy and Social Democracy once were movements with a lot of positive achievements which integrated and represented large swathes of the population. I can’t see anything positive about the Greens at all, they’re essentially a hyper-moralistic, anti-national sect whose ideas are nonsensical. But they’ve got a totally outsized influence, because so many of their sympathizers are in the media (not least in public broadcasting), studies have shown massive overrepresentation. So no, even if SPD wanted to move against them on the energy issue (and SPD is pretty terrible too), it wouldn’t be easy. This is also a class issue to some extent. Greens are the rich man’s party, but not of rich people who actually create something, but of a spoiled, parasitical bourgeoisie in state employment. iirc a plurality or even a majority of civil servants, especially those in higher positions, voted for them in the last election. And now you’ve got a cunt like Habeck (essentially a writer of fiction for teenagers) who’s telling people they should save energy by showering for a shorter time or reducing heating, and others who say rising prices for food items are good, food shouldn’t be cheap anyway etc. There should be some serious potential for a massive social explosion here, but of course Germans aren’t like the French and will just take everything.

    The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.
    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant, the Greens are a subject that triggers me.

    • Thanks: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @German_reader

    You're not far right.

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1144009116614086658

    , @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    Anyway, sorry for the rant
     
    No need to apologise, I quite enjoyed reading it. Even when angry, you manage to be illuminating at the same time, a rare trait.

    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
     
    I'm more optimistic about storage being solved, but this is admittedly up for debate. I have respect for skeptics who have a nuclear-first view. As noted previously, my only concerns re: nuclear are cost disease-related and not ideological. The ultimate goal should be low emission energy that has high energy security. Nuclear meets both criteria.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.
     

    Fair point. I think my point still stands though. Germany could have gone the French way if renewable energy isn't viable as you think it is in a German context - but it didn't. So even in the absence of a nuclear phaseout, Germany would still have issues today as fossil fuels would presumably make up a significant part of your grid. That's on your previous chancellors.

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy. While you hate the green party, I think you're absolving the mainstream parties a bit too much. The buck ultimately stops with them, as their parties have provided Germany's Chancellors.

    I have little affinity for the German Green party either, but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist. Even before the current crisis, Baerbock was constantly agitating for increasing Europe's dependency on the US. A black mark in my book.

    Replies: @German_reader

  66. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party.
     

    I hate them. From my pov their influence has been totally destructive, there's not a single redeeming feature about them. Obviously today's SPD and CDU/CSU are also terrible from my perspective (it's "far right" after all as you've previously noted), but at least one can argue that Christian Democracy and Social Democracy once were movements with a lot of positive achievements which integrated and represented large swathes of the population. I can't see anything positive about the Greens at all, they're essentially a hyper-moralistic, anti-national sect whose ideas are nonsensical. But they've got a totally outsized influence, because so many of their sympathizers are in the media (not least in public broadcasting), studies have shown massive overrepresentation. So no, even if SPD wanted to move against them on the energy issue (and SPD is pretty terrible too), it wouldn't be easy. This is also a class issue to some extent. Greens are the rich man's party, but not of rich people who actually create something, but of a spoiled, parasitical bourgeoisie in state employment. iirc a plurality or even a majority of civil servants, especially those in higher positions, voted for them in the last election. And now you've got a cunt like Habeck (essentially a writer of fiction for teenagers) who's telling people they should save energy by showering for a shorter time or reducing heating, and others who say rising prices for food items are good, food shouldn't be cheap anyway etc. There should be some serious potential for a massive social explosion here, but of course Germans aren't like the French and will just take everything.

    The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.
     
    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens' major successes and wouldn't have happened without their influence.
    And you can't run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven't been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don't want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant, the Greens are a subject that triggers me.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Thulean Friend

    You’re not far right.

  67. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You're either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.

    You’re just some dishonest Neocon troll.

    I carefully read the May academic paper by Sachs, and don’t recall those claims. I’ve also watched his entire talk at the Spanish thinktank, and it’s the same story—absolutely no mention of the Wuhan lab. Instead, his mention of the Covid outbreak comes in close conjunction with his discussion of the extremely dangerous and aggressive actions of America against China and Russia, perhaps further implying why the virus suddenly appeared.

    As I’ve pointed out in my articles, there’s simply no evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak, and it’s heartening that the chairman of the Lancet commission on Covid is now beginning to point his finger in the correct direction.

    For anyone interested in more information in a convenient published form, here’s my collection of articles on the subject:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you're dishonest, or maybe you're just ignorant:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    "WIV" stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    EHA is the US-based EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

  68. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa


    No, Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab. He only adds the point out the contribution of US tech to that lab to pre-emptively avoid accusations of racism.

    You’re either willfully misrepresenting him, or really have no way of comprehending even straightforward statements by centre-left establishment types anymore.
     
    You're just some dishonest Neocon troll.

    I carefully read the May academic paper by Sachs, and don't recall those claims. I've also watched his entire talk at the Spanish thinktank, and it's the same story---absolutely no mention of the Wuhan lab. Instead, his mention of the Covid outbreak comes in close conjunction with his discussion of the extremely dangerous and aggressive actions of America against China and Russia, perhaps further implying why the virus suddenly appeared.

    As I've pointed out in my articles, there's simply no evidence that the Wuhan lab had anything to do with the Covid outbreak, and it's heartening that the chairman of the Lancet commission on Covid is now beginning to point his finger in the correct direction.

    For anyone interested in more information in a convenient published form, here's my collection of articles on the subject:

    https://www.amazon.com/Our-Covid-19-Catastrophe-Epidemic-Biowarfare/dp/B0B3SJH2QW/

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Maybe you’re dishonest, or maybe you’re just ignorant:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    “WIV” stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    EHA is the US-based EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Peter is a Ukrainian ethnic with a British and US passport. Cuddly looking, a gently spoken guy with a Cheshire burr, doing vital work on potentially weaponizable viruses.

    Shouldn't he be Poytyr or some silly bumpkin spelled version of the name?

    , @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You had claimed that "Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab."

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:


    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”
     
    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That's totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There's ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you're just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

  69. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end."

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.
     
    It seems that their Syrian experience didn't help much.

    "And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them."

    No but could have done.
     
    Maybe, maybe not - but they did not. The territories of southern Ukraine were liberated with the help of Ukrainian forces, who knew the area quite well and who were experienced at fighting Turks and Tatars. The hypothetical is irrelevant.

    "The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization."

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.
     
    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities (Odessa only had 9,000 people in 1803, growing to 194,000 in the 1870s). Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren't run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the overwhelmingly rural regions.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.
     
    Correct, and they were also Ukrainian Cossacks who were given land grants and noble title in exchange for settlement. I already gave you an example of such a family - the Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov, whose Ukrainian Cossack ancestors came to these lands in the early 1800s and whose father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Also, part of New Russia included the Zaporozhian lands, who already have over 100,000 free Ukrainian peasant/farmer settlers in the mid 18th century, before Russia took those lands over.

    "Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated."

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.
     
    Dostoyevsky's father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. He was a typical minor Ukrainian nobleman, his father (the writer Dostoyevsky's grandfather) had been a Greek Catholic priest with a small estate. Mikhail Dostoyevsky studied medicine and moved to Moscow. He married a Russian woman. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    "You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian."

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.
     
    Nikolai Gogol's father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I'm not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language in his life:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.
     
    Yes, you see peasants as something that you and not they are are - a humanoid earth worm.

    "So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition."

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.
     
    Well first you claim that only he himself referred to himself as that. Then when it was shown to you that the Orthodox Patriarch's men and the Sultan also referred to him as such, you now claim something else. This claim is wrong like the others. Khmelnytsky was sovereign in his territory, independently controlling his own army, making and administering his own laws, making treaties with other countries.

    The Donbas republics, on the other hand, are not. They do only what the Russia tells them to do.

    "Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield."

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors.
     
    Indeed, civil wars between brothers can be very brutal. Fortunately those times have passed. This Russian invasion of Ukraine has really done much to put that tragedy in the past and to reconcile the two brotherly peoples.

    The Poles despise them, and hate them
     
    Wishful thinking by a Soviet degenerate worm.

    I was just in Poland in April, Poles in general like Ukrainians. Many of them are even taking Ukrainians into their own homes, people who own apartments are providing them shelter for free, etc.


    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US,
     
    You personally prove that it wasn't. Ignorant of basic historical facts (see above), innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct all along), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    You had a poor, second-rate power that fell further and further behind until it just fell apart in запой and crime (the only thing Sovok Sharikovs are really good at). Its legacy was a murder rate worse than in Central America.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

     

    How cute that a Sharikov "thinks" such things.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist
     
    Sharikov is too dumb or too blind to imagine or see anything beyond his own nose.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man's vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human. Funnily enough, the same can be said for your grotesque experiment of a state, and its immediate descendants. I tell you the truth about yourself. But just because I correctly place you where you belong in relation almost every other person commenting here, including me, does not make me proud or arrogant. As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren't one of them though, Sharikov.

    coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.
     
    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended. In this case it is a false and stupid claim, but your implication about universal moral corruption of Soviet people such as yourself has a whiff of truth to it, at least. Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.
     
    You call Soviet people who got apartments from the state shit? That's most of them. You are starting to recognize yourself at last.

    "So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival."

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities.
     
    They were small provincial cities or towns before the Ukrainians came.

    "They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates."

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles,
     
    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne (the last Rurikid to rule a country). These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Here Be Dragon

    This is why Western Europeans need to cut off the supply of arms to Kiev. Big headed Poles and Ukies threatening to drag everyone civilized into an unwinnable confrontation. You are mad.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia's choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing "unwinnable" here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Sean

  70. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you're dishonest, or maybe you're just ignorant:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    "WIV" stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    EHA is the US-based EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

    Peter is a Ukrainian ethnic with a British and US passport. Cuddly looking, a gently spoken guy with a Cheshire burr, doing vital work on potentially weaponizable viruses.

    Shouldn’t he be Poytyr or some silly bumpkin spelled version of the name?

  71. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @216


    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.
     
    In early 2020, the people most eager to share videos of mayhem in Wuhan were US right wingers eager to see collapse and misery in China. The Wuhan fainting video phenomenon was the work of American right wing nationalists. It backfired because it terrified so many people in the US that the population was amenable to a lockdown, setting a bad pattern for 18 months.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    This would be the only time in history that anyone listened to Anglin though.

    There could be a forensic study of the dissemination of these falling down videos.

    I’m curious to know what you mean as you describe as American Right Wing Nationalists. How did those so-described nationalists manipulate Italy, Spain and Iran into falling apart in Jan and Feb 2020?

    Is Anglin popular in Milan and Tehran?

  72. German_reader says:

    “Ambassador” Melnyk has been criticized by Poland:


    He had appeared in a German tv show where some left-wing journo asked him about his admiration for Stepan Bandera. Melnyk didn’t cave and defended Bandera. Impressive in a certain way, at least he’s standing by his convictions. But also patently idiotic.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @German_reader

    Polish support for Ukraine is a mile wide but also an inch deep. There has also been a Polish demo, admittedly not huge, with the theme "this is Poland, not Ukro land".

    Replies: @AP

    , @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don't care enough to look it up. What's Ukraine's position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  73. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    This is why Western Europeans need to cut off the supply of arms to Kiev. Big headed Poles and Ukies threatening to drag everyone civilized into an unwinnable confrontation. You are mad.

    Replies: @AP

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing “unwinnable” here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing “unwinnable” here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

     

    1. Kiev regime and NATO are aggressors for going against the signed UN approved Minsk Protocol, while building up regime forces near the Donbass rebels and having supported Ukrainian membership in the anti-Russian NATO alliance.

    2. Kiev regime isn't able to retake territory it lost and risks loses more territory in a conflict that sees itself losing more military personnel to an opponent with greater numbers and resources. The Petliura-Pilsudski project failed to establish an anti-Russian and pro-Polish Ukrainian puppet state. There's not much of a history of a successful Russian-Ukrainian alliance against Russia.

    Anti-Russian forces have historically attempted to use Ukraine as a base with limited success. At the same time, Russia and pro-Russian elements within Ukraine's Communist drawn boundary have ample reason for concern over such attempts.

    Kind of related:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558197-ukraine-decided-eradicate-rus-culture/

    , @Sean
    @AP


    Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.
     
    Yes, we would have no control over their decision at all. Nor would would we control the means they would employ to face down any challenge to their moves.

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured
     
    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory. Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.
     
    They are not alone. What does beggar Ukraine bring to the table for Western Europe. Portugal would become a net contributor to the EU, so would the Czech republic. Ukraine and Poland will be a power block outvoting Germany.

    Replies: @AP

  74. @AnonfromTN
    Russian operation in Ukraine (not covid).

    For those who understand Russian, this is a good source of news, updates every several minutes:
    https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin

    Those who don’t can still appreciate pictures and videos, including those of Ukie soldiers (the lucky ones, those who were taken prisoner, instead of being killed) with swastikas tattooed on their bodies and Nazi insignia on their uniforms.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Martyanov, some Russian rival of Rozhin, hates him for some reason, calling him a defeatist. Not that I notice it although Rozhin doesn’t worship at Putin’s feet.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wielgus

    As far as I can tell (which is not very far, as I did not live in Russia since 1991 and visited it only three times since then, the last in 2020), in Russia there are two kinds of supporters of denazification of Ukraine. One group is gang-ho, while the other is more realistic and objective. Rozhin (nom-du-guerre “colonel cassad”, although he is no more colonel than “colonel Sanders”) is in the second group, so the first one attacks people like him.

    Personally, I trust the second group more. I think that the campaign is going to be long and hard. However, recent Ukie shelling of Belgorod in Russia (where, among other civilians, a family of refugees from Kharkov was killed) shows that Russia cannot afford to leave any “Ukraine” without strict control, including military. Thus, whether Putin and his coterie wants it or not, the only end of the operation that Russian public will accept is unconditional surrender of current Kiev puppets.

    BTW, on July 3rd Lugansk People’s Republic officially proclaimed its full liberation from the occupiers (although a few pockets controlled by Ukies still exist in Lisichansk).

    Replies: @Wielgus

  75. @German_reader
    "Ambassador" Melnyk has been criticized by Poland:
    https://twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1542801764738539521
    He had appeared in a German tv show where some left-wing journo asked him about his admiration for Stepan Bandera. Melnyk didn't cave and defended Bandera. Impressive in a certain way, at least he's standing by his convictions. But also patently idiotic.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Greasy William

    Polish support for Ukraine is a mile wide but also an inch deep. There has also been a Polish demo, admittedly not huge, with the theme “this is Poland, not Ukro land”.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wielgus

    Letting Ukrainian refugee families into one's own is indicative of deep support. I know a Polish guy who drove a refugee family whom he didn't know three hours to another city where housing had been arranged, there are thousands of such circumstances.

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  76. Sean says:
    @AP
    @216

    Jeffrey Sachs is a long-time shill for China. He would support any theory that would take the heat off China for Covid. This does not necessarily mean he is wrong about Covid, of course, but keep it mind when he makes claims:

    https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/2080439/jeffrey-sachs-a-xi-propagandist-

    Jeffrey Sachs: a Xi propagandist?

    Replies: @Sean

    Science has replaced religion as the plausible lying is concerned, It is really the international scientific community–worried about a backlash ban against all research–that is trying to cover up what was in all probability some kind of a lab leak in Wuhan that implicates the US for funding the work that should not have been done. A Wuhan lab leak of a natural virus is the most likely explanation. Accidental release of an Gain Of Function or other virologic techniques engineered virus is a secodary contender. You have to look at the propinquity of the labs working with bats and theri viruses in Wuhan, not just the big French built one but the CDC one that was a few football field away from the seafood market and had moved their a very short time before the outbreak. Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    By my way of thinking a bioweapon attack is extremely unlikely because it it not obviously true that China can overtake the United States, or that an act of was such as a bioweapon attack would required, certainly not that it be done with a virus that predictably caused a global pandemic. Hypothetically, say someone, necessarily with with the relevant level of expertise, was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Sean


    Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html
     
    Of course I read that 2021 article in the NYT, along with the many far more substantial articles I'd read on the subject. Her piece warranted only very brief remarks:

    In late June, Zeynep Tufekci, one of their opinion columnists, published a 5,500 word article harshly criticizing China and arguing that the global epidemic had probably been the consequence of a Chinese lab-leak. Prof. Tufekci’s field of study was sociology rather than the biological sciences and her expertise lay in social media, but the appearance of her long piece surely reflected a seismic shift in the views of her top editors.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-alleged-wuhan-lab-leak-and-its-scientific-skeptics

    Replies: @Sean

  77. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Russians are all invaders and orcs – Mr. Hacks, LatW, is that girl an orc?
     
    Do not manipulate again. The invading army are "orcs", not Donbas residents.

    Replies: @Beckow

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east this summer and liberates Donbas?

    That’s the crux of the war: what to do with the orchites you pretend don’t exist. So you better have an answer. The Latvian way – deprive them of citizenship, schools, language – won’t cut it. Russians are now paying attention, EU still isn’t but soon will.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?
     
    As I explained to you earlier around 10% of the population in Kiev-controlled Donbas supported the Russian invasion. These ones stayed behind for the "liberation" while the other other 90% fled westward. Severedonetsk went from a population of 100,000 to 7,000-10,000.

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east later this summer and liberates Donbas?
     
    Well, when the Russian army moved west 90% of the population fled to Kiev-controlled territory. If Kiev takes the territory back the 90% can return to their homes if they want.

    Is it better for 90% of the population to be forced to flee, or 10%?

    Not that she has to flee. She can remain, and accept the laws that the majority of her countrymen want, including language laws.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  78. AP says:
    @Wielgus
    @German_reader

    Polish support for Ukraine is a mile wide but also an inch deep. There has also been a Polish demo, admittedly not huge, with the theme "this is Poland, not Ukro land".

    Replies: @AP

    Letting Ukrainian refugee families into one’s own is indicative of deep support. I know a Polish guy who drove a refugee family whom he didn’t know three hours to another city where housing had been arranged, there are thousands of such circumstances.

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.
     

    With hating Russia as a theme, many Poles have an uber nationalist mindset that overlooks the fault lines of their nation's past and present. That the Kiev regime utilizes a Banderite ambassador in Andrey Melnik is quite revealing on the limits of Polish-Ukrainian cooperation.

    The Russian cultural and linguistic influences within Ukraine's Communist drawn boundaries remains more profound than Poland's.

  79. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the 'orcs', doesn't that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east this summer and liberates Donbas?

    That's the crux of the war: what to do with the orchites you pretend don't exist. So you better have an answer. The Latvian way - deprive them of citizenship, schools, language - won't cut it. Russians are now paying attention, EU still isn't but soon will.

    Replies: @AP

    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?

    As I explained to you earlier around 10% of the population in Kiev-controlled Donbas supported the Russian invasion. These ones stayed behind for the “liberation” while the other other 90% fled westward. Severedonetsk went from a population of 100,000 to 7,000-10,000.

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east later this summer and liberates Donbas?

    Well, when the Russian army moved west 90% of the population fled to Kiev-controlled territory. If Kiev takes the territory back the 90% can return to their homes if they want.

    Is it better for 90% of the population to be forced to flee, or 10%?

    Not that she has to flee. She can remain, and accept the laws that the majority of her countrymen want, including language laws.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Lysyschansk was founded as a coal mining town around 1790. Good argument that it was/is a Russian colony.

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could, and the "10%" nonsense is right there with your infamous "only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian" - a number so silly that even the Western polls show that it is false. You said that since Donbas couldn't be polled, they simply left them out - kind of like polling US in 1862 and omitting the South.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone, effectively expelled. Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut. Nothing like that is being done to Ukrainians in Crimea or Donbas - they allow all identities.

    Given those choices, we shouldn't be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell to keep the Kiev nationalist fanatics out. That could put your summer plans at risk. What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede? You argued that Ukraine would be better off without them.

    Replies: @AP

  80. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia's choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing "unwinnable" here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Sean

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing “unwinnable” here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    1. Kiev regime and NATO are aggressors for going against the signed UN approved Minsk Protocol, while building up regime forces near the Donbass rebels and having supported Ukrainian membership in the anti-Russian NATO alliance.

    2. Kiev regime isn’t able to retake territory it lost and risks loses more territory in a conflict that sees itself losing more military personnel to an opponent with greater numbers and resources. The Petliura-Pilsudski project failed to establish an anti-Russian and pro-Polish Ukrainian puppet state. There’s not much of a history of a successful Russian-Ukrainian alliance against Russia.

    Anti-Russian forces have historically attempted to use Ukraine as a base with limited success. At the same time, Russia and pro-Russian elements within Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundary have ample reason for concern over such attempts.

    Kind of related:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558197-ukraine-decided-eradicate-rus-culture/

  81. @AP
    @Wielgus

    Letting Ukrainian refugee families into one's own is indicative of deep support. I know a Polish guy who drove a refugee family whom he didn't know three hours to another city where housing had been arranged, there are thousands of such circumstances.

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Poles now see in Ukrainians themselves, when they were attacked by Germans or Russians. They see that the Ukrainian refugees are much like themselves (they se their own women and children in the Ukrainians among them) and they admire the bravery of Ukrainian troops putting up such fierce resistance to the hated Russian invaders. Ukrainians see Poles as a brotherly nation who takes them into their own homes and who keep their women and children safe and fed as they fight the eastern Horde.

    Realignment may be imprecise a word, because these trends existed before the war, but the war has accelerated them in orders of magnitude. The link between Ukrainians and Russians is broken, between Ukrainians and Poles is strong.

    With hating Russia as a theme, many Poles have an uber nationalist mindset that overlooks the fault lines of their nation’s past and present. That the Kiev regime utilizes a Banderite ambassador in Andrey Melnik is quite revealing on the limits of Polish-Ukrainian cooperation.

    The Russian cultural and linguistic influences within Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundaries remains more profound than Poland’s.

  82. @AP
    @Beckow


    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?
     
    As I explained to you earlier around 10% of the population in Kiev-controlled Donbas supported the Russian invasion. These ones stayed behind for the "liberation" while the other other 90% fled westward. Severedonetsk went from a population of 100,000 to 7,000-10,000.

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east later this summer and liberates Donbas?
     
    Well, when the Russian army moved west 90% of the population fled to Kiev-controlled territory. If Kiev takes the territory back the 90% can return to their homes if they want.

    Is it better for 90% of the population to be forced to flee, or 10%?

    Not that she has to flee. She can remain, and accept the laws that the majority of her countrymen want, including language laws.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Lysyschansk was founded as a coal mining town around 1790. Good argument that it was/is a Russian colony.

  83. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians
     
    How would you know about that, and what does "generous" mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LondonBob

    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime’s behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict’s end and Ukraine’s boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn’t pursue in the years prior to Russia’s Donbass independence recognition.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Kiev and the West got into a real quandary by not negotiating a reasonable compromise before 2/24/22. Now they repeat like aging parakeets that "force cannot be a basis for..."


    German-reader: Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.
     
    The negotiations were rejected and that only leaves force, it was obvious that the Russian side wasn't going to just sit there and take it forever. By definition whatever comes out of the war will be the settlement. We can call it whatever we want, dictionaries and history are full of variety.

    When the war stops and life returns to normal the reality on the ground will be the settlement. Some fat lady in London or Scholz will repeat that they don't accept it, but so what. It is the same as if Truss-Scholz were vegetarian and said that they don't accept eating meat.

    The war will settle it, everybody knows it. Kiev better ups its game, the war is for all marbles. That's what they wanted, they shouldn't despair, if that summer offensive goes well, maybe even Kuban and Kremlin will be in play. AK said he would concede and go hedonist. So there is a chance for Kiev, they just need to grab it.

    , @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @German_reader
    @Mikhail


    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option
     
    I'm even inclined to agree, but that's all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There'll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn't escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

  84. I’ve just been trying to read about historical executions in the UK to try to get a feel for what method would have been applied in a certain case in Ireland in the 1500s (still no firm idea), but I came across a really gruesome one, that I thought was interesting (not for the weak of stomach):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_Martyrs

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    Used to be a crime punishable by death to spend one month in the company of Gypsies, which I find really surprising. One would think that if Gypsies were perceived as such a threat by those in power, they would have exiled them.

    , @German_reader
    @songbird

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird

    That was horrible. Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?

  85. @AP
    @Beckow


    The girl is a Russian Donbas resident, but she welcomes the ‘orcs’, doesn’t that make her also an orc, maybe an orc-lite?
     
    As I explained to you earlier around 10% of the population in Kiev-controlled Donbas supported the Russian invasion. These ones stayed behind for the "liberation" while the other other 90% fled westward. Severedonetsk went from a population of 100,000 to 7,000-10,000.

    What exactly do you think should happen to her when the Kiev army marches east later this summer and liberates Donbas?
     
    Well, when the Russian army moved west 90% of the population fled to Kiev-controlled territory. If Kiev takes the territory back the 90% can return to their homes if they want.

    Is it better for 90% of the population to be forced to flee, or 10%?

    Not that she has to flee. She can remain, and accept the laws that the majority of her countrymen want, including language laws.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could, and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian” – a number so silly that even the Western polls show that it is false. You said that since Donbas couldn’t be polled, they simply left them out – kind of like polling US in 1862 and omitting the South.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone, effectively expelled. Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut. Nothing like that is being done to Ukrainians in Crimea or Donbas – they allow all identities.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell to keep the Kiev nationalist fanatics out. That could put your summer plans at risk. What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede? You argued that Ukraine would be better off without them.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could,
     
    Not from the part of Donbas that was part of Ukraine until February 2022.

    and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian”
     
    It is a good reflection of your own servility that you find it shocking that only 2% of a country has positive feelings towards the country that bombs and kills them.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone
     
    I have no opinion of whether she should stay or go. If she chooses to stay she should abide by the laws of the majority of the population; if she doesn't like them she should be free to leave.

    Do you think it's better if 90% of a place's population leaves or if 10% leaves? Let's see if you refuse to answer that question. I suspect you will.

    Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut.
     
    Don't lie as usual. There is plenty of Russian being spoken in Ukraine, including by soldiers who are fighting against the invading orcs. But most of Ukraine's people support having Ukrainian as the only state language and the language of the schools. Even most Russian-speakers in Ukraine support this.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell
     
    Are they?

    What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede?
     
    I was happy with the February 24 border. This placed the majority ethnic Russian parts out of Ukraine. Ukraine was better off without them. After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad. But you disagree, because you are a bad person.

    If in the extremely unlikely (but slightly possible) chance that Ukraine recovers all of the Donbas or even Crimea (even less likely), I would not be opposed to the Russians there experiencing what the Sudeten Germans did after World War II. I would have opposed that fate before this war, but brutal invasions have consequences.

    Replies: @Beckow

  86. Weird potential fact. It is quite possible that Nigeria and Uganda, combined, will have as many live births as China for 2020-2025.

  87. @songbird
    Don't know if CCP propaganda against the Japs has been given a bad name, but I rather enjoyed this clip:
    https://youtu.be/d2Yantm722w

    Better than American television certainly.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Same as been said here about the WWII European Theatre– the mainstream narrative of the East Asian Theatre is mostly bogus.

    European Civil War and Second Thirty Years’ War has been used to designate 1914-1945. East Asian Civil War can be used to designate the period from 1927-1949, divided to three periods:

    1927-1937 First stage of KMT-CCP Civil War
    1937-1945 With Soviet facilitation, KMT and CCP forms a temporary alliance against Japan
    1945-1949 Continuation of KMT-CCP Civil War, in itself a proxy war of US-Soviet Cold War

    The KMT engaged in 20+ main battles against Japan whereas CCP barely did in one– Hundred Regiments Offensive (1940). The PRC film omits the back story of the two sides’ commanders:

    Peng Dehuai led CCP Red Army to a very limited victory. During the Cultural Revolution he was purged and died horribly, purportedly in part because Mao resented him for exposing too much of CCP’s strength in 1940 against Japan, which should have been reserved later for against KMT.

    Tada Hayao was the main China Dove in the IJA and the key figure in the mediation sponsored by German ambassador Oskar Trautmann. The mediation failed in large due to China Hawks led by PM Konoe Fumimaro, an idiotic yet belligerent figure comparable to Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The CCP narrative has a comedic element that I appreciate as a foreigner.

    Watched the film The Eight Hundred a few weeks back, and there was this one scene that was really over-the-top:

    Japanese soldiers were marching towards the warehouse wall in a testudo formation, in order to plant a satchel to destroy the wall, and this one Chinese leaped out of the window with a vest of grenades to blow himself up on top of the testudo, and others seeing his example, lined up, one after another to leap out the window with explosives onto the testudo.

    But as if often the case, I learnt something from watching the movie, and was surprised to read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads

    Which I think shows more parallelism with the Japanese than most Westerners would suppose.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  88. @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    Martyanov, some Russian rival of Rozhin, hates him for some reason, calling him a defeatist. Not that I notice it although Rozhin doesn't worship at Putin's feet.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    As far as I can tell (which is not very far, as I did not live in Russia since 1991 and visited it only three times since then, the last in 2020), in Russia there are two kinds of supporters of denazification of Ukraine. One group is gang-ho, while the other is more realistic and objective. Rozhin (nom-du-guerre “colonel cassad”, although he is no more colonel than “colonel Sanders”) is in the second group, so the first one attacks people like him.

    Personally, I trust the second group more. I think that the campaign is going to be long and hard. However, recent Ukie shelling of Belgorod in Russia (where, among other civilians, a family of refugees from Kharkov was killed) shows that Russia cannot afford to leave any “Ukraine” without strict control, including military. Thus, whether Putin and his coterie wants it or not, the only end of the operation that Russian public will accept is unconditional surrender of current Kiev puppets.

    BTW, on July 3rd Lugansk People’s Republic officially proclaimed its full liberation from the occupiers (although a few pockets controlled by Ukies still exist in Lisichansk).

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    Belgorod seems to be an attempt to divert attention from the growing Ukrainian collapse in Donbass but I think Rozhin is correct and it is going to need greater commitment by the Russians, whether Putin likes it or not. Half-heartedness is no way to run a war, a military operation or anything else.

  89. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Wokechoke

    1. Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia's choice.

    2. Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured. Given that fact, it would lose to a Poland-Ukraine, as it has historically lost to Poland-Ukraine numerous times in the past. There is nothing "unwinnable" here.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Sean

    Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.

    Yes, we would have no control over their decision at all. Nor would would we control the means they would employ to face down any challenge to their moves.

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory. Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.

    They are not alone. What does beggar Ukraine bring to the table for Western Europe. Portugal would become a net contributor to the EU, so would the Czech republic. Ukraine and Poland will be a power block outvoting Germany.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory.
     

    Depends on other variables. Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China's client state? I don't think gaining a land corridor to Crimea where there had already been a bridge, and rest of Luhansk (Russia is not short of land or coal) would be worth this for Russia.

    Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.
     
    Most Russians support this war because it costs them little so far. Some stores have closed, they have to visit Dubai or Turkey rather than France, Italy or Greece. Would Russians be willing to send their own kids to die through forced conscription so that Russia doesn't lose some bombed out coal town in Donbas that Ukrainians try to take back? That's a different story.

    There is an informal social contract in Russia: the state does what it wants (including wage war), the people acquiesce and don't get in the government's way, and in exchange they are allowed to do okay and aren't bothered as they live their lives. So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

  90. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you're dishonest, or maybe you're just ignorant:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    "WIV" stands for Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    EHA is the US-based EcoHealth Alliance run by Peter Daszak.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ron Unz

    You had claimed that “Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab.”

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:

    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”

    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That’s totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There’s ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you’re just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    Aether is an infamous neo-con so far out on the limb that his head is spinning. But in a way he provides the enthusiastic stupid-conformism viewpoint that is also needed - it is unfortunate that when caught in dishonesty he-she-it doubles down or flees...

    Aether was previously 'Laxa'. Since Laxa declared the war "won by Kiev" and that was too embarrassing, we get Aether now. Neo-cons are born-again every day, maybe that's what the 'Neo' refers to...

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    Read the article. It is very clear.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    , @Sean
    @Ron Unz


    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world
     
    Other countries did not have the bat cave. Or lack of precautions which Bat lady and other Wuhan researchers are known to have operated. The chaining of the named of viruses and withdrawal of databases in China and in the US at China's request suggest skullduggery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    Last July, Dr. Shi said “a possibility did not exist” that anyone associated with the institute may have gotten infected “while collecting, sampling or handling bats.” She added that it had recently tested all institute staff members and students for antibodies showing past infection by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses and had found “zero infection” and insisted that she could rule out this possibility for all labs in Wuhan.

    It’s hard to see how a careful scientist could dismiss even the slightest possibility for all labs, including those not her own. “Zero infection” would mean not a single case among the hundreds of people at the institute, even though a study found that 4.4 percent of the Wuhan population had been infected.
     

    Lies.

    There’s ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.
     
    Propinquity is hardly evidence against the Covid pandemic coming from a Wuhan lab.
  91. @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.
     
    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime's behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict's end and Ukraine's boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn't pursue in the years prior to Russia's Donbass independence recognition.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @German_reader

    Kiev and the West got into a real quandary by not negotiating a reasonable compromise before 2/24/22. Now they repeat like aging parakeets that “force cannot be a basis for…

    German-reader: Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    The negotiations were rejected and that only leaves force, it was obvious that the Russian side wasn’t going to just sit there and take it forever. By definition whatever comes out of the war will be the settlement. We can call it whatever we want, dictionaries and history are full of variety.

    When the war stops and life returns to normal the reality on the ground will be the settlement. Some fat lady in London or Scholz will repeat that they don’t accept it, but so what. It is the same as if Truss-Scholz were vegetarian and said that they don’t accept eating meat.

    The war will settle it, everybody knows it. Kiev better ups its game, the war is for all marbles. That’s what they wanted, they shouldn’t despair, if that summer offensive goes well, maybe even Kuban and Kremlin will be in play. AK said he would concede and go hedonist. So there is a chance for Kiev, they just need to grab it.

  92. Sean says:
    @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.
     
    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime's behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict's end and Ukraine's boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn't pursue in the years prior to Russia's Donbass independence recognition.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @German_reader

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Sean

    Re: Minsk Protocol


    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.
     
    Germany and France along with the US never influenced the Kiev regime to enact it with the threat of sanctions.

    Porky recently said that Minsk was signed by the Kiev regime to buy time. I recall that being said of Merkel as well. Need to verify the latter.

    Replies: @Sean

  93. @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You had claimed that "Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab."

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:


    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”
     
    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That's totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There's ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you're just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

    Aether is an infamous neo-con so far out on the limb that his head is spinning. But in a way he provides the enthusiastic stupid-conformism viewpoint that is also needed – it is unfortunate that when caught in dishonesty he-she-it doubles down or flees…

    Aether was previously ‘Laxa’. Since Laxa declared the war “won by Kiev” and that was too embarrassing, we get Aether now. Neo-cons are born-again every day, maybe that’s what the ‘Neo’ refers to…

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Yes, I wondered where Laxative went.

  94. @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You had claimed that "Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab."

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:


    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”
     
    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That's totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There's ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you're just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

    Read the article. It is very clear.

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

  95. three more river crossings of the Donets above Seversk.

  96. @songbird
    I've just been trying to read about historical executions in the UK to try to get a feel for what method would have been applied in a certain case in Ireland in the 1500s (still no firm idea), but I came across a really gruesome one, that I thought was interesting (not for the weak of stomach):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_Martyrs

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader, @S

    Used to be a crime punishable by death to spend one month in the company of Gypsies, which I find really surprising. One would think that if Gypsies were perceived as such a threat by those in power, they would have exiled them.

  97. A123 says: • Website
    @216
    @A123

    Any blaming of "the US" as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda, no different than the presumably faked videos of Wuhan hospitals collapsing in 2020.

    We have already been told that we cannot question the borders of China in the US (!), while Chinese state media screams that the US border control is racist, and the Chinese foreign ministry demands the Falklands be handed over to Argentine tyranny.

    Trump can't use social media because of claims that he somehow sent a coded message to his followers telling them to attack random Asians on the streets.

    NO. China is responsible, Fauci is responsible. Conservatives like me are not responsible. Anyone that argues otherwise should be ideally prosecuted under an Anti-Subversion Act and deported.

    Replies: @AP, @china-russia-all-the-way, @A123, @RadicalCenter

    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda

    The purpose of a “well constructed” wide ranging investigation is finding the truth. Unfortunately, I see little to no chance for “constructing” a credible body. Everything the UN/NWO touches becomes a disaster.
    ___

    The most plausible explanation is:
        • WIV’s experimentation created COVID-19.
        • And, the release was unintentional.

    Timing supports this theory. The virus appeared during the pre-holiday period where the lowest rung of employees were financially pressed by advance booking train passage. Stealing & selling apparently healthy lab animals slated for destruction is the type of misjudgment that non-scientists could easily make.
    ____

    The idea of an unauthorized attack on China has huge logic problems. Why would Establishment Globalists attack their CCP ally? The Deep State views China as a friend. Both American Leftoids and CCP Elites were highly motivated to place Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the target was America. A #NeverTrump rogue operation aimed directly at democracy. Any investigation should exonerate U.S. citizens victimized by multinational MegaCorporations.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Rogue elements could have been. The CIA was doing color revolution in Hong Kong that year.

  98. @A123
    @216


    Any blaming of “the US” as the source of SARS-2 means in some way that ordinary conservatives like me will be held personally responsible.

    I cannot countenance anyone repeating what is clearly PRC propaganda
     
    The purpose of a "well constructed" wide ranging investigation is finding the truth. Unfortunately, I see little to no chance for "constructing" a credible body. Everything the UN/NWO touches becomes a disaster.
    ___

    The most plausible explanation is:
        • WIV's experimentation created COVID-19.
        • And, the release was unintentional.

    Timing supports this theory. The virus appeared during the pre-holiday period where the lowest rung of employees were financially pressed by advance booking train passage. Stealing & selling apparently healthy lab animals slated for destruction is the type of misjudgment that non-scientists could easily make.
    ____

    The idea of an unauthorized attack on China has huge logic problems. Why would Establishment Globalists attack their CCP ally? The Deep State views China as a friend. Both American Leftoids and CCP Elites were highly motivated to place Not-The-President Biden in the White House.

    If there is a conspiracy, the target was America. A #NeverTrump rogue operation aimed directly at democracy. Any investigation should exonerate U.S. citizens victimized by multinational MegaCorporations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Rogue elements could have been. The CIA was doing color revolution in Hong Kong that year.

  99. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    Same as been said here about the WWII European Theatre-- the mainstream narrative of the East Asian Theatre is mostly bogus.

    European Civil War and Second Thirty Years' War has been used to designate 1914-1945. East Asian Civil War can be used to designate the period from 1927-1949, divided to three periods:

    1927-1937 First stage of KMT-CCP Civil War
    1937-1945 With Soviet facilitation, KMT and CCP forms a temporary alliance against Japan
    1945-1949 Continuation of KMT-CCP Civil War, in itself a proxy war of US-Soviet Cold War

    The KMT engaged in 20+ main battles against Japan whereas CCP barely did in one-- Hundred Regiments Offensive (1940). The PRC film omits the back story of the two sides' commanders:

    Peng Dehuai led CCP Red Army to a very limited victory. During the Cultural Revolution he was purged and died horribly, purportedly in part because Mao resented him for exposing too much of CCP's strength in 1940 against Japan, which should have been reserved later for against KMT.

    Tada Hayao was the main China Dove in the IJA and the key figure in the mediation sponsored by German ambassador Oskar Trautmann. The mediation failed in large due to China Hawks led by PM Konoe Fumimaro, an idiotic yet belligerent figure comparable to Joachim von Ribbentrop.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGTipr2Zo0

    Replies: @songbird

    The CCP narrative has a comedic element that I appreciate as a foreigner.

    Watched the film The Eight Hundred a few weeks back, and there was this one scene that was really over-the-top:

    Japanese soldiers were marching towards the warehouse wall in a testudo formation, in order to plant a satchel to destroy the wall, and this one Chinese leaped out of the window with a vest of grenades to blow himself up on top of the testudo, and others seeing his example, lined up, one after another to leap out the window with explosives onto the testudo.

    But as if often the case, I learnt something from watching the movie, and was surprised to read this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attack#Chinese_suicide_squads

    Which I think shows more parallelism with the Japanese than most Westerners would suppose.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    You are referring to this scene (below). This was actually a realistic portrayal but of ROC National Revolutionary Army (NRA*). And controversial because the in the key scene the ROC flag was flown.
    https://i.postimg.cc/x1PP0Gdg/h8cu1bn286l51.png
    *Even they wore Stahlhelm and Feldgrau it has "Revolutionary" in its name because they were initially under Leninist tutelage.

    The movie made it seem like a David vs. Goliath struggle, but--

    1. The 8 NRA German trained divisions were somewhat better equipped than the IJA. Hans von Seeckt originally wanted to built to 80 divisions-- Japan at no point in WWII had more than 50 full strength divisions.

    2. The escalation of the Sino-Japanese War in 1937 was certainly largely due to Japanese militarism, but the actual Battle of Shanghai was mostly provoked by the Chinese (with Soviet and CCP goading), through a number of diplomatic incidents.

    3. Like the Ukrainians, Chiang Kai-shek wanted the West to intervene, so initiated the place of battle in Shanghai in front of Western concessions, to demonstrate Chinese resolve.

    Direct intervention did not come, like the Ukrainians, Chiang received only Waffenlieferengen and some volunteers. But it turned the battle into a meatgrinder because it put Chinese troops within range of IJN naval guns.

    4. You can further see that Japan was totally unprepared for a war with China because it had to be re-enforced three times, completely contrary to military logic.

    But the third IJA re-enforcement was a stroke of audacity in the style of Incheon Landing-- by amphibiously landing behind Chinese lines. Had it not taken place the battle could have continued in stalemate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shanghai#Japanese_landings_at_Jinshanwei

    Historic Parallels between the Ukraine War and the Sino-Japanese War, Keikichi Takahashi at Osaka University


    The first similarity is that the war initiator tragically underestimated its target’s war potential. According to the testimony of CIA Director Bill Burns at the House Intelligence Committee hearing on March 8, Russian President Vladimir Putin had expected a quick victory over Ukraine, planning to seize Kiev within the first two days of the campaign. Similarly, when Japan started the war with China in 1937, few top government officials in Tokyo foresaw the long haul.

    Japan’s underestimation of China largely stemmed from its previous experience in Manchuria. From 1931 to 1932, Japanese military forces occupied the region and severed it from the rest of China to establish a puppet state.

    Likewise, Putin’s underestimation of Ukraine is said to come, at least partly, from his previous experience in Crimea.

    After the Crimean crisis, Germany neither cancelled nor scaled down the projects, but rather expanded them in order to import more natural gas at a low price from Russia.

     

    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/historic-parallels-between-the-ukraine-war-and-the-sino-japanese-war/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZEz1O5wQA0

    Replies: @songbird

  100. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You had claimed that "Sachs is extremely clear that it came from a Chinese lab."

    When I challenged your ridiculous statement, all you can find is:


    Sachs and Harrison write. “We do know that the insertion of such FCS sequences into SARS-like viruses was a specific goal of work proposed by the EHA-WIV-UNC partnership within a 2018 grant proposal (“DEFUSE”) that was submitted to the US Defense Advanced Research Projects (DARPA).”
     
    So they merely mentioned that there had been a (rejected) proposal to our own DARPA agency that the Wuhan lab and our own research facilities receive a grant to conduct such genetic research. That's totally different than what you were claiming.

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world. There's ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    I repeat, you're just a dishonest Neocon troll relying upon FoxNews talking points.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

    Everyone knows that the Wuhan lab was conducting viral research. So were numerous other labs both in the US and around the world

    Other countries did not have the bat cave. Or lack of precautions which Bat lady and other Wuhan researchers are known to have operated. The chaining of the named of viruses and withdrawal of databases in China and in the US at China’s request suggest skullduggery.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    Last July, Dr. Shi said “a possibility did not exist” that anyone associated with the institute may have gotten infected “while collecting, sampling or handling bats.” She added that it had recently tested all institute staff members and students for antibodies showing past infection by SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-related viruses and had found “zero infection” and insisted that she could rule out this possibility for all labs in Wuhan.

    It’s hard to see how a careful scientist could dismiss even the slightest possibility for all labs, including those not her own. “Zero infection” would mean not a single case among the hundreds of people at the institute, even though a study found that 4.4 percent of the Wuhan population had been infected.

    Lies.

    There’s ZERO evidence that Covid had anything to do with the Wuhan lab.

    Propinquity is hardly evidence against the Covid pandemic coming from a Wuhan lab.

  101. @Ron Unz
    The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @A123, @Peripatetic Commenter, @bombthe3gorgesdam

    It is interesting that he declares it an “accidental event.”

    The dog that didn’t bark?

  102. @AnonfromTN
    @Wielgus

    As far as I can tell (which is not very far, as I did not live in Russia since 1991 and visited it only three times since then, the last in 2020), in Russia there are two kinds of supporters of denazification of Ukraine. One group is gang-ho, while the other is more realistic and objective. Rozhin (nom-du-guerre “colonel cassad”, although he is no more colonel than “colonel Sanders”) is in the second group, so the first one attacks people like him.

    Personally, I trust the second group more. I think that the campaign is going to be long and hard. However, recent Ukie shelling of Belgorod in Russia (where, among other civilians, a family of refugees from Kharkov was killed) shows that Russia cannot afford to leave any “Ukraine” without strict control, including military. Thus, whether Putin and his coterie wants it or not, the only end of the operation that Russian public will accept is unconditional surrender of current Kiev puppets.

    BTW, on July 3rd Lugansk People’s Republic officially proclaimed its full liberation from the occupiers (although a few pockets controlled by Ukies still exist in Lisichansk).

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Belgorod seems to be an attempt to divert attention from the growing Ukrainian collapse in Donbass but I think Rozhin is correct and it is going to need greater commitment by the Russians, whether Putin likes it or not. Half-heartedness is no way to run a war, a military operation or anything else.

  103. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could, and the "10%" nonsense is right there with your infamous "only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian" - a number so silly that even the Western polls show that it is false. You said that since Donbas couldn't be polled, they simply left them out - kind of like polling US in 1862 and omitting the South.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone, effectively expelled. Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut. Nothing like that is being done to Ukrainians in Crimea or Donbas - they allow all identities.

    Given those choices, we shouldn't be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell to keep the Kiev nationalist fanatics out. That could put your summer plans at risk. What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede? You argued that Ukraine would be better off without them.

    Replies: @AP

    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could,

    Not from the part of Donbas that was part of Ukraine until February 2022.

    and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian”

    It is a good reflection of your own servility that you find it shocking that only 2% of a country has positive feelings towards the country that bombs and kills them.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone

    I have no opinion of whether she should stay or go. If she chooses to stay she should abide by the laws of the majority of the population; if she doesn’t like them she should be free to leave.

    Do you think it’s better if 90% of a place’s population leaves or if 10% leaves? Let’s see if you refuse to answer that question. I suspect you will.

    Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut.

    Don’t lie as usual. There is plenty of Russian being spoken in Ukraine, including by soldiers who are fighting against the invading orcs. But most of Ukraine’s people support having Ukrainian as the only state language and the language of the schools. Even most Russian-speakers in Ukraine support this.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell

    Are they?

    What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede?

    I was happy with the February 24 border. This placed the majority ethnic Russian parts out of Ukraine. Ukraine was better off without them. After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad. But you disagree, because you are a bad person.

    If in the extremely unlikely (but slightly possible) chance that Ukraine recovers all of the Donbas or even Crimea (even less likely), I would not be opposed to the Russians there experiencing what the Sudeten Germans did after World War II. I would have opposed that fate before this war, but brutal invasions have consequences.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad.
     
    Let's see: Mariupol - people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as "liberation". Lisichansk - the same. Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports, the demo against 'occupants' attracted a puny crowd of a few hundred.

    But I get your point: there are definitely areas where the local population is not pro-Russian and even some where people are violently anti-Russian. It is just that your silly "numbers" - 10%, or 2% - are unverifiable, likely way off, and not supported by other data we have.

    You can't poll in the middle of the war. We simply don't know, and I suspect majority of Ukrainians also don't know precisely where they stand. When the war is over we will find out. Until then, the only hard data we have are pre-war elections and censuses. And the ad-hoc testimonies from both sides that may or may not be representative.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity. That's why winning is now all that matters.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European. Even if they would be only 10% - and they are not - minority and linguistic rights in Europe are not based on percentages: any ethnic group that has its own language and culture MUST HAVE those rights. Even if there would be only 10k of them. But you are not a European and never will be so telling you this is a waste. That's why rump-Ukraine (no matter how small) will not be in EU. You need to choose: nationalist hysteria and hatred, or Europe. It is one or the other.

    Replies: @AP

  104. @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    Aether is an infamous neo-con so far out on the limb that his head is spinning. But in a way he provides the enthusiastic stupid-conformism viewpoint that is also needed - it is unfortunate that when caught in dishonesty he-she-it doubles down or flees...

    Aether was previously 'Laxa'. Since Laxa declared the war "won by Kiev" and that was too embarrassing, we get Aether now. Neo-cons are born-again every day, maybe that's what the 'Neo' refers to...

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Yes, I wondered where Laxative went.

  105. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP


    Russia is the aggressor and any anti-Russian alliance would be defensive in nature. Any confrontation is Russia’s choice.
     
    Yes, we would have no control over their decision at all. Nor would would we control the means they would employ to face down any challenge to their moves.

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured
     
    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory. Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    There is a reason why Russia is so desperate to keep Ukraine out of the West.
     
    They are not alone. What does beggar Ukraine bring to the table for Western Europe. Portugal would become a net contributor to the EU, so would the Czech republic. Ukraine and Poland will be a power block outvoting Germany.

    Replies: @AP

    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory.

    Depends on other variables. Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China’s client state? I don’t think gaining a land corridor to Crimea where there had already been a bridge, and rest of Luhansk (Russia is not short of land or coal) would be worth this for Russia.

    Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.

    Most Russians support this war because it costs them little so far. Some stores have closed, they have to visit Dubai or Turkey rather than France, Italy or Greece. Would Russians be willing to send their own kids to die through forced conscription so that Russia doesn’t lose some bombed out coal town in Donbas that Ukrainians try to take back? That’s a different story.

    There is an informal social contract in Russia: the state does what it wants (including wage war), the people acquiesce and don’t get in the government’s way, and in exchange they are allowed to do okay and aren’t bothered as they live their lives. So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    There's a theory about 1917. In 1917 the French army mutinied. It's theorized that the French soldier instinctively calculated that his probability of Death at the hands of the Germans was 1 sometime in the summer of 1917 and the troops refused to conduct offensive operations until they were fed, clothed and paid properly in addition to getting enough artillery and mortars/light machine guns at the squad level. France was effectively out of the war from that point onward.

    The French troops had a steady diet of defeats at the hands of the Germans. It's possible there will be a mutiny in the Ukraine armed forces now that Russia has inflicted 25% land capture (see map) and 100% KIA/WIA of the prewar Ukraine military. These Ukie generals are probably learning a whole new "respect" for their Russian counterparts.

    you heard it here folks.

    , @Sean
    @AP

    Let us look at what the pre 2022 invasion status quo ante would be

    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/RussianOccupiedUkraine.png


    In 2019 when Zelensky--elected on a platform of peace with Russia--agreed to begin enacting Minsk and then changed his mind, the Russians occupied Crimea and a part of Donbass amounting to a total seven percent of Ukraine's territory occupied (subtracting Crimea it was a mere two and a half percent). It was autonomy within Ukraine that was central to the Minsk agreement.


    Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China’s client state
     
    Sounds like Ukraine thinks it has all the time in the world, just as it it thought it did in 2019. Russia did badly on the Kiev battlefield but in economic terms Russia is stronger and has more useful allies than anyone dreamt it would, including the worlds largest democracy. Putin leads a resource rich, industrial power, and unlike in the Cold War Russia is not dependent on America grain. In warfighting ability it has vast amounts of artillery ammunition in store and can produce more. They are not going to quit and the steamroller is gaining momentum.

    So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.
     
    Intelligent people avoid military service in Russia, but if conscripted they would not be in the infantry and those who do represent. Putin's powerbase who are simple patriotic folk.

    For a people, the deal breaker is losing a war. Revolutions come when wars are being lost, or the leader is failing to assert the county’s interests effectively against rival states, and that was true of the 1905 as much as the 1917 revolutions in Russian The French revolution came after a series of reverses at the hands of Austria, which Napoleon repeatedly knocked seven bells out of . It is much more likely Putin was scared that to do nothing about Ukraine would cause dissatisfaction with his leadership, than he will dare stop just as the Russian army are firing on all cylinders and about to settle accounts with Ukraine for their 15 year old drone operators and dirt bikers with NLAWs slaughtering hapless Russians solders like silly sheep on the roads around Kiev.

    Lysychansk shows that the American-style trained officers of the Ukrainian army are unable to keep the troops from running away. Ukraine does not have a cadre of professionals to take charge as NCOs and their officers don't lead from the front like the Russian ones do. Advancing is a great morale booster and the logistics especially the railways are much better now for Russia, which means the artillery ammunition is going to be brought to where it is needed even as Russia advances. I think it is Zelensky who has miscalculated right down the line, and he is the one worried about the people objecting to him continuing as leader.

  106. Germans should battle it out with the Greens in the near-vicinity of their nuclear power plants, like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    ..like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.
     
    Without having read the novel, that sounds a bit reminescent of The Road Warrior. I imagine they were careful to have plenty of differentiation, though. Cool title.

    https://youtu.be/i2gVXd7FzhQ

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  107. @AP
    @Sean


    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory.
     

    Depends on other variables. Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China's client state? I don't think gaining a land corridor to Crimea where there had already been a bridge, and rest of Luhansk (Russia is not short of land or coal) would be worth this for Russia.

    Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.
     
    Most Russians support this war because it costs them little so far. Some stores have closed, they have to visit Dubai or Turkey rather than France, Italy or Greece. Would Russians be willing to send their own kids to die through forced conscription so that Russia doesn't lose some bombed out coal town in Donbas that Ukrainians try to take back? That's a different story.

    There is an informal social contract in Russia: the state does what it wants (including wage war), the people acquiesce and don't get in the government's way, and in exchange they are allowed to do okay and aren't bothered as they live their lives. So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

    There’s a theory about 1917. In 1917 the French army mutinied. It’s theorized that the French soldier instinctively calculated that his probability of Death at the hands of the Germans was 1 sometime in the summer of 1917 and the troops refused to conduct offensive operations until they were fed, clothed and paid properly in addition to getting enough artillery and mortars/light machine guns at the squad level. France was effectively out of the war from that point onward.

    The French troops had a steady diet of defeats at the hands of the Germans. It’s possible there will be a mutiny in the Ukraine armed forces now that Russia has inflicted 25% land capture (see map) and 100% KIA/WIA of the prewar Ukraine military. These Ukie generals are probably learning a whole new “respect” for their Russian counterparts.

    you heard it here folks.

  108. For AP, from the previous thread.

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    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?

    No.

    Of course not.

    Russia has a large number of people with higher education due to the tradition coming from the Soviet times, where not having higher education was a sign of mental deficiencies. Considering that higher education was free and students were paid for the studies, most people were enrolling to the universities.

    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.

    There have been three studies that proved that.

    Research on the role of the environment in children’s intellectual development has shown that a stimulating environment can dramatically increase IQ, whereas a deprived environment can lead to a decrease in IQ. A particularly interesting project on early intellectual stimulation involved 25 children in an orphanage.

    Other examples of IQ increase through early enrichment projects can be found in Israel, where children with European-Jewish heritage have an average IQ of 105, while those with a Middle-Eastern Jewish heritage have an average IQ of only 85. Yet, when raised on a kibbutz, children from both groups have an average IQ of 115.

    In another home-based early enrichment program, conducted in Nassau County, New York, an instructor spent time showing parents who participated in the program how best to teach their children at home. The children in the program had initial IQs in the low 90s, but by the time they went to school they averaged IQs of 107 or 108.

    IQ Test Scores: The Basics of IQ Score Interpretation
    https://www.edubloxtutor.com/iq-test-scores/

    A person’s intellect can be trained.

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.

    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.

    Perhaps on a small farm. A medium size farm would require at least ten hired workers. A child watching the livestock doesn’t make a difference.

    My great-great grandfather didn’t work in the field. He didn’t even walk. He had horses and rode them. There is a lot of work to do for a farmer – as a supervisor, management, trade, accounting, etc.

    The entire purpose of having a farm is to avoid that hard labor in the fields.

    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned. Unlike the corrupt post-Soviet state, that people like that relative of yours created, the Soviet Union had very little corruption on a minor level.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free, such as a million dollar flat near the Kremlin, then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.

    That’s the very definition of corruption.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost what they could not steal first.

    And then they rent it, or sell it, and immigrate to the US or the UK, and from there they write and speak, bashing and slandering the Russian people, calling them thieves.

    We know your lying breed well.

    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods.

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work, and to consider that it would have happened sooner, without constructing a new society through brutal methods, is to not understand how it works whatsoever.

    Before the revolution Russia had 75 percent of rural population, for the most part illiterate. So in order to modernize the country a large part of that population had to be moved to the cities, while the remaining part had to adopt new methods of production.

    That necessity, coupled with the limited time frame, and growing menace of the war led to implementation of those brutal policies.

    Had it not been done then, the war would have been lost.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Most idiotic comment you have written:


    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.
     
    LOL.

    IQ is fairly stable since adolescence.

    The article you quote from is written by this person:

    https://ezinearticles.com/expert/Susan_Du_Plessis/6383#more-information

    "After training in psychology and theology, Susan du Plessis became actively engaged in researching learning difficulties including dyslexia."

    She has a Bachelor's degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner's multiple intelligences theory.

    She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence.

    A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    Meanwhile actual studies:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801400020X?via%3Dihub

    "Our findings as well as those of former studies are consistent with the position of Rost (2010) that the intelligence of a person does not seem to underlie dramatic changes from the age of about 12 to 14 years onwards. Exceptions to this rule may include deficient intelligence diagnosis, changes in health status, or/and the emergence of strong emotional problems (e.g., Schneider et al., 2004). "

    IQ is hereditary, it doesn't change much over time (it can change a little), unless there is some sort of brain damage. Education can raise IQ by a few points but that is modest.

    Increasing the number of people in universities only decreases the average IQ of university students. The average IQ of 114 (not 115) is in American university students. And that number isn't in all estimates.

    Here is an article showing how average IQs in university students declines as the number of students increases:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/05/phd-students-arent-what-they-used-to-be-either/

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/degree.png

    "The increased uptake of course also means that the curriculum and associated exams must be continuously made easier for the students to keep up their pass rates."

    A place with 55% university graduates is a place where a lot of university graduates are dumb. And indeed, everyone knows that in Russia there were certain institutes for dumb people and others for brilliant people.


    "A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105."

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.
     

    Your idiocy continues.

    Average IQ by major:

    https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-64811#:~:text=Physics%2C%20Mathematical%20Sciences%20and%20Philosophy,out%20on%20top%20with%20133.

    Business Administration: 111.

    If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.


    "When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all."

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned
     

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free,
     
    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation. This wasn't like the creation of the Soviet system which did involve mass theft and murder.

    then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.
     
    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost
     
    The crash of 1998 happened under Yeltsin, my relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened in the 1990s and disgusted by Yeltsin's team. They were naive and had hoped the 1980s reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes. They just stole and killed, as they were bound to do as a result of 70 years of Soviet demoralization.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living for years (like every other person did in the USSR), then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit. Paid taxes. Engaged in no theft. Some of their peers became very rich. And a lot of people from all parts of society were stealing like crazy, many of those joined with the corrupt segments of the older elite to form the 90s elite. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.


    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.
     
    Subhuman Sharikov feels betrayed by his masters. How sad.

    "As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods."

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work
     

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Didn't take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing just fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin "thinks" that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress. Well, you called peasants "humanoid worms" didn't you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  109. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    One final point. I think it’s a mistake to overly focus on your green party.
     

    I hate them. From my pov their influence has been totally destructive, there's not a single redeeming feature about them. Obviously today's SPD and CDU/CSU are also terrible from my perspective (it's "far right" after all as you've previously noted), but at least one can argue that Christian Democracy and Social Democracy once were movements with a lot of positive achievements which integrated and represented large swathes of the population. I can't see anything positive about the Greens at all, they're essentially a hyper-moralistic, anti-national sect whose ideas are nonsensical. But they've got a totally outsized influence, because so many of their sympathizers are in the media (not least in public broadcasting), studies have shown massive overrepresentation. So no, even if SPD wanted to move against them on the energy issue (and SPD is pretty terrible too), it wouldn't be easy. This is also a class issue to some extent. Greens are the rich man's party, but not of rich people who actually create something, but of a spoiled, parasitical bourgeoisie in state employment. iirc a plurality or even a majority of civil servants, especially those in higher positions, voted for them in the last election. And now you've got a cunt like Habeck (essentially a writer of fiction for teenagers) who's telling people they should save energy by showering for a shorter time or reducing heating, and others who say rising prices for food items are good, food shouldn't be cheap anyway etc. There should be some serious potential for a massive social explosion here, but of course Germans aren't like the French and will just take everything.

    The failure of Germany to have a rational energy policy goes back long before the Greens came onto the scene.
     
    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens' major successes and wouldn't have happened without their influence.
    And you can't run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven't been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don't want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
    Anyway, sorry for the rant, the Greens are a subject that triggers me.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Thulean Friend

    Anyway, sorry for the rant

    No need to apologise, I quite enjoyed reading it. Even when angry, you manage to be illuminating at the same time, a rare trait.

    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.

    I’m more optimistic about storage being solved, but this is admittedly up for debate. I have respect for skeptics who have a nuclear-first view. As noted previously, my only concerns re: nuclear are cost disease-related and not ideological. The ultimate goal should be low emission energy that has high energy security. Nuclear meets both criteria.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.

    Fair point. I think my point still stands though. Germany could have gone the French way if renewable energy isn’t viable as you think it is in a German context – but it didn’t. So even in the absence of a nuclear phaseout, Germany would still have issues today as fossil fuels would presumably make up a significant part of your grid. That’s on your previous chancellors.

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy. While you hate the green party, I think you’re absolving the mainstream parties a bit too much. The buck ultimately stops with them, as their parties have provided Germany’s Chancellors.

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    I have little affinity for the German Green party either, but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist. Even before the current crisis, Baerbock was constantly agitating for increasing Europe’s dependency on the US. A black mark in my book.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy.
     
    I don't disagree. SPD and CDU/CSU have failed completely, not just on the nuclear issue, in their relations with the Greens, they didn't even make a real attempt to come up with an alternative programme of their own, instead just accepting the media's framing that Green positions were the way of the future and should be adopted. But I don't think the radical break with nuclear power would have happened without the Greens and their outsized influence.

    but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist.
     

    That's true, and it's pretty strange in a way, because back in the 1980s - when the Soviets occupied half of Europe - the Greens were affiliated with a rather unthinking kind of pacifism. But since the Kosovo war they've gradually become ultra-hawkish. A recent poll even showed Green voters to be the ones most in favour of keeping US nuclear weapons (or even increasing their number) in Germany, at 64% (average is 52%):
    https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/panorama/umfrage-atomwaffen-deutschland-101.html
  110. @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Re: Minsk Protocol

    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.

    Germany and France along with the US never influenced the Kiev regime to enact it with the threat of sanctions.

    Porky recently said that Minsk was signed by the Kiev regime to buy time. I recall that being said of Merkel as well. Need to verify the latter.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikhail

    The so called Normandy Process in which Germany and France brokered a deal to begin inactment of Minsk stalled in 2015 because Poroshenko had signed it with no intention of honoring it. Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters had been eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal based on Minsk. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans (not counting McCain & company) thought the deal was the way forward for Ukraine. In 2019 Normandy format negotiation were restated by Zelensky, France and Germany participated along with Russian and Ukrainian diplomats. American diplomats were happy enough when Zelensky and he agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region without a full Russian withdrawal would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev.

    However there was opposition; members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber Stop Capitulation” demonstration, which was supported by ex president Poroshenko, who has proven skills overthrowing elected presidents by means of mass protests, and who Zelensky had shockingly defeated in the election. Zelensky retreated back out of the deal, and is dubious that American diplomats / Deep State were was happy about Zelensky’s turn to a more confrontational approach. Ukrainian government had that impression.

    When all was said and done Ukraine was not a member of Nato, and had no real protection from attack through Charter Five. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation, so by then Putin started to think such an operation was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind. Obama had denied Ukraine weapon and Trump ought to have as well.

    It has been Poroshenko all along, he was important in the Orange revolution and instrumental in the events of 2014 which provoked Putin to use force, hired Biden’s son, got Trump to agree to supply weapons, and finally he prevented an agreement in 2019. Too focused on outmaneuvering Poroshenko in domestic politics (including by arraigning him on twenty charges including treason), Zelensky did not see the danger in trying to face down Putin without full Nato membership. What public cast iron guarantees of an army coming to Ukraine’s aid in the event of hostilities did Zelensky have?; nobody is going to sign up to fight Russia. Poroshenko says it was to play for time but time had run out. Ukraine was never going to be given back Crimea, which was historically and demographically Russian anyway. Zelensky would have had to give two and a half percent of Ukraine held by separatists in the Donbass autonomy within Ukraine and the fighting would be over. Zelensky is in fact willing to settle for that now, but Ukraine will not be able to drive the Russians back to the two and a half percent and the West is scared to do it by supplying Ukraine with masses of missiles, nor will it get Russia to do it by sanctions. Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  111. German_reader says:
    @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    How would you know about that, and what does “generous” mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.
     
    In accordance to what a Kiev regime official said and judging by the regime's behavior and follow-up from some influential Western circles, the conflict's end and Ukraine's boundaries will be influenced on the battle field results.

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option which the West and Kiev regime didn't pursue in the years prior to Russia's Donbass independence recognition.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @German_reader

    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option

    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.
     
    Kiev regime wants to fight on. Doing so doesn't risk a consequence? Meantime, the West shouldn't see the situation as a dire civilization choice as propaganizded by the svidos and Western neocons.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    Cold War resulted in Russia/USSR/Warsaw pact having to do everything ourselves from high tech to simple products. Even then, despite friendly countries in Asia, Africa and South America - supply chains of raw materials or cheap produce involving these countries were very hard to set up because of the frequent death and chaos the west was fermenting in them.

    Intellectual population and own natural resources of Warsaw pact did great job at dealing with these problems...... but maybe this was about 40% of problems solved.


    Now its different. Russia, just like the USSR can solve many of the technological and product issues independently.....but different to then, there is China, possibly Turkey, hopefully India and other countries that can help neutralise most of the technology/product/investment /and intellectual hole created by the west moving out, and for which Russia can't cover for ourselves. Supply chains of raw material and produce from 2nd/ 3rd world countries shouldn't be much of a problem (shipping gangsterism from the west of Russian cargoes will easily be solved).

    Much of the blackmarket for good everyday or luxury Western products will be legalised by the state, so these will flood into Russia via China, via heavily corrupt and pathetic Ukraine, via Turkey and anywhere else.

    Construction industry machinery should not be too big a problem.... except in tunneling which traditionally South Korean or German TBM's have been transferred. Turkey may be able to assist.

    Although we had many beautiful holidays in USSR, now we can still fly on holiday all around the world - Turkey of course, Egypt, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Seychelles, Bali....and Russians are still getting visas into the EU. There just won't be any "iron curtain" type isolation of Russia.

    Fortunately, modern cinema is shit so from an entertainment perspective we aren't missing much if big Hollywood films aren't released over here, although certainly there is going to be huge trouble for our cinema chains and will be mass closures of them.

    Unlike worthless shithole banderastan, Russia have had all the major World music performers do concert over here. "western" Banderastan has basically had none of them LOL. Russian performers have been the most popular there anyway, despite many of them being banned since 2014. The true cold War of music concerts will be on Ukraine - with their youth not hearing western or Russian performers there. Ukraine concert list in other words..... will be identical to Latvia's or Burkina Faso.

    Militirisation agenda, climate agenda AND globohomo agenda of the West should all be financially incompatible with each other, so I expect much of NATO militarism agenda to fail or get smashed by us anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  112. @German_reader
    @Mikhail


    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option
     
    I'm even inclined to agree, but that's all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There'll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn't escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    Kiev regime wants to fight on. Doing so doesn’t risk a consequence? Meantime, the West shouldn’t see the situation as a dire civilization choice as propaganizded by the svidos and Western neocons.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  113. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    I've just been trying to read about historical executions in the UK to try to get a feel for what method would have been applied in a certain case in Ireland in the 1500s (still no firm idea), but I came across a really gruesome one, that I thought was interesting (not for the weak of stomach):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_Martyrs

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader, @S

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The first chapter of Foucault Discipline and Punish is an amazing work of literature. I bet not 5% of the people who hate on Foucault ever read the guy at all.

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    Wish I had people to do my gruntwork.

    Found something today so good that I'd seriously think about writing it up and submitting it to a journal, at least, if I could find primary sources that bear it out, and if I knew how to write up such things formally.

    What is my source you ask? A wiki page about a person I never heard of before today, and which mentions a place I never heard of before today either. With the most important notes for my purposes being ones that don't link to actual books. Might even be local legend, but otherwise it is very specific and contains nearly the whole story, to which I would only add a small piece, which seems staggeringly obvious.

    Anyway, I might just be a loon, but if I turned out to be right about this, I'd probably reflexively punch anyone who badmouthed wikipedia out of nationalistic feelings and habit, for the rest of my life.

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    Pity, but I guess the wikipedia page doesn't check out.

    Spoke to a local and he seemed to think it was mainly local tradition, referred me to the wiki, and suggested that there was a pedigree that might bear at least some details of the story out. But looking at pedigrees, I seem to have found evidence that definitely debunks the idea that the event took place, when they said it did. (Cromwellian times.)

    Well, I don't know, it could have taken place. But the important thing is that it wasn't responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Still some very interesting qualities, if one assumes it is an older story, not from the 17th century but from the 16th, and it has just been garbled a bit.

    Still, don't know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It's a good story for the tourists.

    Replies: @German_reader

  114. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    Without doubt a few 100000 lives could have been saved by allowing Sputnik V vaccine
     
    Ukraine has reported 108k deaths from C19 and 5 million cases. I doubt all would had been saved with any form of vaccination. That was 2% of people who were reported as having Covid and around 0.25% of population.

    I agree that there was a nice seamless transition in the media from C19 hysteria to Russia-hating hysteria. If there is a next phase, the topic could be so over-heated and propaganda so thick that the media would cease to exist as a category. Not too many would miss them.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    I go on the premise that “108k dead” is yet another ukronazi work of fiction of course. More like 5x that number.

    Every year is “excess death year” for 404, and if you don’t count then they aren’t dead is what appears to be the philosophy.

  115. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    Anyway, sorry for the rant
     
    No need to apologise, I quite enjoyed reading it. Even when angry, you manage to be illuminating at the same time, a rare trait.

    And you can’t run Germany on wind and solar power alone, key issues like energy storage haven’t been solved and may not be solvable. So if you don’t want nuclear power for base load, that leaves dirty fossil fuels.
     
    I'm more optimistic about storage being solved, but this is admittedly up for debate. I have respect for skeptics who have a nuclear-first view. As noted previously, my only concerns re: nuclear are cost disease-related and not ideological. The ultimate goal should be low emission energy that has high energy security. Nuclear meets both criteria.

    The decision to phase out nuclear power was taken by the Red-Green coalition of 1998-2005, it was one of the Greens’ major successes and wouldn’t have happened without their influence.
     

    Fair point. I think my point still stands though. Germany could have gone the French way if renewable energy isn't viable as you think it is in a German context - but it didn't. So even in the absence of a nuclear phaseout, Germany would still have issues today as fossil fuels would presumably make up a significant part of your grid. That's on your previous chancellors.

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy. While you hate the green party, I think you're absolving the mainstream parties a bit too much. The buck ultimately stops with them, as their parties have provided Germany's Chancellors.

    I have little affinity for the German Green party either, but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist. Even before the current crisis, Baerbock was constantly agitating for increasing Europe's dependency on the US. A black mark in my book.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Besides, it is surely the responsibility of both the SPD and CDU Chancellors to have followed through on this policy.

    I don’t disagree. SPD and CDU/CSU have failed completely, not just on the nuclear issue, in their relations with the Greens, they didn’t even make a real attempt to come up with an alternative programme of their own, instead just accepting the media’s framing that Green positions were the way of the future and should be adopted. But I don’t think the radical break with nuclear power would have happened without the Greens and their outsized influence.

    but mostly because their leaders are absurdly pro-Atlanticist.

    That’s true, and it’s pretty strange in a way, because back in the 1980s – when the Soviets occupied half of Europe – the Greens were affiliated with a rather unthinking kind of pacifism. But since the Kosovo war they’ve gradually become ultra-hawkish. A recent poll even showed Green voters to be the ones most in favour of keeping US nuclear weapons (or even increasing their number) in Germany, at 64% (average is 52%):
    https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/panorama/umfrage-atomwaffen-deutschland-101.html

  116. @German_reader
    @songbird

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @songbird

    The first chapter of Foucault Discipline and Punish is an amazing work of literature. I bet not 5% of the people who hate on Foucault ever read the guy at all.

  117. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Sean


    Russia can barely handle Ukraine on it own, ands its victory is far from 100% assured

    Russia occupying what it currently does will be a victory.
     

    Depends on other variables. Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China's client state? I don't think gaining a land corridor to Crimea where there had already been a bridge, and rest of Luhansk (Russia is not short of land or coal) would be worth this for Russia.

    Russia being driven back to its start point of the invasion would be a defeat . But it is not clear the current Russian people would or their leadership could accept that.
     
    Most Russians support this war because it costs them little so far. Some stores have closed, they have to visit Dubai or Turkey rather than France, Italy or Greece. Would Russians be willing to send their own kids to die through forced conscription so that Russia doesn't lose some bombed out coal town in Donbas that Ukrainians try to take back? That's a different story.

    There is an informal social contract in Russia: the state does what it wants (including wage war), the people acquiesce and don't get in the government's way, and in exchange they are allowed to do okay and aren't bothered as they live their lives. So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

    Let us look at what the pre 2022 invasion status quo ante would be

    In 2019 when Zelensky–elected on a platform of peace with Russia–agreed to begin enacting Minsk and then changed his mind, the Russians occupied Crimea and a part of Donbass amounting to a total seven percent of Ukraine’s territory occupied (subtracting Crimea it was a mere two and a half percent). It was autonomy within Ukraine that was central to the Minsk agreement.

    Does the rest of Ukraine then join the EU, get rebuilt with funds forced from Russia, develop a bristling military to prevent future invasions, while Russia languishes and is forced into the role of China’s client state

    Sounds like Ukraine thinks it has all the time in the world, just as it it thought it did in 2019. Russia did badly on the Kiev battlefield but in economic terms Russia is stronger and has more useful allies than anyone dreamt it would, including the worlds largest democracy. Putin leads a resource rich, industrial power, and unlike in the Cold War Russia is not dependent on America grain. In warfighting ability it has vast amounts of artillery ammunition in store and can produce more. They are not going to quit and the steamroller is gaining momentum.

    So far the war falls within the bounds of that contract. Full mobilization and risk for everybody is a different contract.

    Intelligent people avoid military service in Russia, but if conscripted they would not be in the infantry and those who do represent. Putin’s powerbase who are simple patriotic folk.

    For a people, the deal breaker is losing a war. Revolutions come when wars are being lost, or the leader is failing to assert the county’s interests effectively against rival states, and that was true of the 1905 as much as the 1917 revolutions in Russian The French revolution came after a series of reverses at the hands of Austria, which Napoleon repeatedly knocked seven bells out of . It is much more likely Putin was scared that to do nothing about Ukraine would cause dissatisfaction with his leadership, than he will dare stop just as the Russian army are firing on all cylinders and about to settle accounts with Ukraine for their 15 year old drone operators and dirt bikers with NLAWs slaughtering hapless Russians solders like silly sheep on the roads around Kiev.

    Lysychansk shows that the American-style trained officers of the Ukrainian army are unable to keep the troops from running away. Ukraine does not have a cadre of professionals to take charge as NCOs and their officers don’t lead from the front like the Russian ones do. Advancing is a great morale booster and the logistics especially the railways are much better now for Russia, which means the artillery ammunition is going to be brought to where it is needed even as Russia advances. I think it is Zelensky who has miscalculated right down the line, and he is the one worried about the people objecting to him continuing as leader.

  118. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    For AP, from the previous thread.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CxRVSK0g/Chimpanzee-in-the-US.jpg


    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?
     
    No.

    Of course not.

    Russia has a large number of people with higher education due to the tradition coming from the Soviet times, where not having higher education was a sign of mental deficiencies. Considering that higher education was free and students were paid for the studies, most people were enrolling to the universities.

    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.

    There have been three studies that proved that.

    Research on the role of the environment in children’s intellectual development has shown that a stimulating environment can dramatically increase IQ, whereas a deprived environment can lead to a decrease in IQ. A particularly interesting project on early intellectual stimulation involved 25 children in an orphanage.
     

    Other examples of IQ increase through early enrichment projects can be found in Israel, where children with European-Jewish heritage have an average IQ of 105, while those with a Middle-Eastern Jewish heritage have an average IQ of only 85. Yet, when raised on a kibbutz, children from both groups have an average IQ of 115.
     

    In another home-based early enrichment program, conducted in Nassau County, New York, an instructor spent time showing parents who participated in the program how best to teach their children at home. The children in the program had initial IQs in the low 90s, but by the time they went to school they averaged IQs of 107 or 108.
     
    IQ Test Scores: The Basics of IQ Score Interpretation
    https://www.edubloxtutor.com/iq-test-scores/

    A person's intellect can be trained.

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.
     
    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.

    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.
     
    Perhaps on a small farm. A medium size farm would require at least ten hired workers. A child watching the livestock doesn't make a difference.

    My great-great grandfather didn't work in the field. He didn't even walk. He had horses and rode them. There is a lot of work to do for a farmer – as a supervisor, management, trade, accounting, etc.

    The entire purpose of having a farm is to avoid that hard labor in the fields.

    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky - people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.
     
    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned. Unlike the corrupt post-Soviet state, that people like that relative of yours created, the Soviet Union had very little corruption on a minor level.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free, such as a million dollar flat near the Kremlin, then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.

    That's the very definition of corruption.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost what they could not steal first.

    And then they rent it, or sell it, and immigrate to the US or the UK, and from there they write and speak, bashing and slandering the Russian people, calling them thieves.

    We know your lying breed well.

    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods.
     
    Technological progress doesn't happen, it's a result of hard work, and to consider that it would have happened sooner, without constructing a new society through brutal methods, is to not understand how it works whatsoever.

    Before the revolution Russia had 75 percent of rural population, for the most part illiterate. So in order to modernize the country a large part of that population had to be moved to the cities, while the remaining part had to adopt new methods of production.

    That necessity, coupled with the limited time frame, and growing menace of the war led to implementation of those brutal policies.

    Had it not been done then, the war would have been lost.

    Replies: @AP

    Most idiotic comment you have written:

    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.

    LOL.

    IQ is fairly stable since adolescence.

    The article you quote from is written by this person:

    https://ezinearticles.com/expert/Susan_Du_Plessis/6383#more-information

    “After training in psychology and theology, Susan du Plessis became actively engaged in researching learning difficulties including dyslexia.”

    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory.

    She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence.

    A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    Meanwhile actual studies:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801400020X?via%3Dihub

    “Our findings as well as those of former studies are consistent with the position of Rost (2010) that the intelligence of a person does not seem to underlie dramatic changes from the age of about 12 to 14 years onwards. Exceptions to this rule may include deficient intelligence diagnosis, changes in health status, or/and the emergence of strong emotional problems (e.g., Schneider et al., 2004). ”

    IQ is hereditary, it doesn’t change much over time (it can change a little), unless there is some sort of brain damage. Education can raise IQ by a few points but that is modest.

    Increasing the number of people in universities only decreases the average IQ of university students. The average IQ of 114 (not 115) is in American university students. And that number isn’t in all estimates.

    Here is an article showing how average IQs in university students declines as the number of students increases:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/05/phd-students-arent-what-they-used-to-be-either/

    “The increased uptake of course also means that the curriculum and associated exams must be continuously made easier for the students to keep up their pass rates.”

    A place with 55% university graduates is a place where a lot of university graduates are dumb. And indeed, everyone knows that in Russia there were certain institutes for dumb people and others for brilliant people.

    “A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.”

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.

    Your idiocy continues.

    Average IQ by major:

    https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-64811#:~:text=Physics%2C%20Mathematical%20Sciences%20and%20Philosophy,out%20on%20top%20with%20133.

    Business Administration: 111.

    If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

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    “When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.”

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free,

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation. This wasn’t like the creation of the Soviet system which did involve mass theft and murder.

    then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost

    The crash of 1998 happened under Yeltsin, my relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened in the 1990s and disgusted by Yeltsin’s team. They were naive and had hoped the 1980s reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes. They just stole and killed, as they were bound to do as a result of 70 years of Soviet demoralization.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living for years (like every other person did in the USSR), then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit. Paid taxes. Engaged in no theft. Some of their peers became very rich. And a lot of people from all parts of society were stealing like crazy, many of those joined with the corrupt segments of the older elite to form the 90s elite. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.

    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.

    Subhuman Sharikov feels betrayed by his masters. How sad.

    “As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods.”

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing just fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress. Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/tR1hs2nP/Poop-throwing-ape.jpg

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.


    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory. She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence. A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.
     
    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true
     
    She referenced a real research, and it doesn't matter what degree she has.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.
     
    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia, where this faculty is called economics. Even in your shithole country it requires 128, according to your own reference.

    A shit for brain like you would be kicked out of there in a matter of a year.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor's licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.
     
    What an insolent piece of shit – telling me what was and what wasn't in my own country.

    My grandparents owned a private house in the city. One could own a house or an apartment during the Soviet times. You could not own an apartment in a social building, but could purchase an apartment in a cooperative building. And all detached houses were in private ownership.

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.
     
    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth – really, there's nothing unethical in this situation.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.
     
    That was not good luck. Your ilk destroyed the entire country, caused an immense economic crisis, and then bought out the national wealth for a fraction of the cost. You were the only ones who benefited from that.

    My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.
     
    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid, like you. They were the collective Sharikov, created by the collective Schwonder – peasant scum from Ukraine, put into positions of power. They should have never been given passports.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.
     
    They weren't supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    Even a retard is supposed to understand that giving to a commie son of a bitch an apartment like that, in the historical centre of the capital, is corruption. Your commie family never deserved to even live in an apartment like that, let alone own it.

    Some of their peers became very rich. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.
     
    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free. Excellent logic, doctor.

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.
     
    Everyone else didn't have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome. Everyone else didn't achieve as much as the Russians did. Even the US had not achieved as much as the Soviet people had.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined, the Soviet people sent a man into space fifteen years after that. Rebuilt their factories and built new homes for the people in twenty years.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.
     
    Stalin was no different from Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible. Their methods were brutal, but their ahievements were great.

    The same as a person has to push himself in order to accomplish something very difficult, so has a nation. The resulting brutality is a side effect of such a high degree of consolidation, and of the effort applied.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress.
     
    You don't know even the basic facts of the Russian history, you ignorant Ukrainian idiot.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Before the revolution from 1845 to 1915 the average life expectancy in Russia was 30 years.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%. According to the 1939 Soviet Census, literate people were 89.7%. During the 1950s, the Soviet Union had become a country of 100% literacy.

    You are simply an ignorant Ukrainian fool.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation. Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades. And so did the Greeks. Don't forget about Hitler. And about Argentina and Chile.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation, and the Russian people had paid their debt a long time ago, despite all odds.

    Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.
     
    A person given a chance to make something better of himself has to take this chance. Those who prefer to spend their life digging the earth are humanoid worms. That's a metaphor, doctor – another concept unfamiliar to a dumbass like you.

    Hello.

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  119. @German_reader
    @Mikhail


    The Minsk Protocol and a militarily neutral Ukraine was the other option
     
    I'm even inclined to agree, but that's all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There'll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn't escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    Cold War resulted in Russia/USSR/Warsaw pact having to do everything ourselves from high tech to simple products. Even then, despite friendly countries in Asia, Africa and South America – supply chains of raw materials or cheap produce involving these countries were very hard to set up because of the frequent death and chaos the west was fermenting in them.

    Intellectual population and own natural resources of Warsaw pact did great job at dealing with these problems…… but maybe this was about 40% of problems solved.

    Now its different. Russia, just like the USSR can solve many of the technological and product issues independently…..but different to then, there is China, possibly Turkey, hopefully India and other countries that can help neutralise most of the technology/product/investment /and intellectual hole created by the west moving out, and for which Russia can’t cover for ourselves. Supply chains of raw material and produce from 2nd/ 3rd world countries shouldn’t be much of a problem (shipping gangsterism from the west of Russian cargoes will easily be solved).

    Much of the blackmarket for good everyday or luxury Western products will be legalised by the state, so these will flood into Russia via China, via heavily corrupt and pathetic Ukraine, via Turkey and anywhere else.

    Construction industry machinery should not be too big a problem…. except in tunneling which traditionally South Korean or German TBM’s have been transferred. Turkey may be able to assist.

    Although we had many beautiful holidays in USSR, now we can still fly on holiday all around the world – Turkey of course, Egypt, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Seychelles, Bali….and Russians are still getting visas into the EU. There just won’t be any “iron curtain” type isolation of Russia.

    Fortunately, modern cinema is shit so from an entertainment perspective we aren’t missing much if big Hollywood films aren’t released over here, although certainly there is going to be huge trouble for our cinema chains and will be mass closures of them.

    Unlike worthless shithole banderastan, Russia have had all the major World music performers do concert over here. “western” Banderastan has basically had none of them LOL. Russian performers have been the most popular there anyway, despite many of them being banned since 2014. The true cold War of music concerts will be on Ukraine – with their youth not hearing western or Russian performers there. Ukraine concert list in other words….. will be identical to Latvia’s or Burkina Faso.

    Militirisation agenda, climate agenda AND globohomo agenda of the West should all be financially incompatible with each other, so I expect much of NATO militarism agenda to fail or get smashed by us anyway.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Gerard1234

    Even under the Iron Curtain, we had school trips to see Moscow and Leningrad (showing my age there!) from my English school.

  120. @songbird
    Germans should battle it out with the Greens in the near-vicinity of their nuclear power plants, like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer's Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.

    Replies: @S

    ..like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.

    Without having read the novel, that sounds a bit reminescent of The Road Warrior. I imagine they were careful to have plenty of differentiation, though. Cool title.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don't really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don't really evoke Gibson's character.

    It's a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don't mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I've been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys' team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9c/cc/10/9ccc10f0ad2a80e424eb687605fc6296.jpg

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.


    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?
     
    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

    Replies: @S, @Wielgus, @Emil Nikola Richard

  121. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end."

    The weapons have a life span, if not used then one could consider them wasted. The performance on the battlefield required training and practice, the real war experience is critical.

    The Russians are gaining that experience now.
     
    It seems that their Syrian experience didn't help much.

    "And Russians didn’t do it [the liberation of those territories] without them."

    No but could have done.
     
    Maybe, maybe not - but they did not. The territories of southern Ukraine were liberated with the help of Ukrainian forces, who knew the area quite well and who were experienced at fighting Turks and Tatars. The hypothetical is irrelevant.

    "The number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization."

    The number is not what matters.

    The Russians built the cities, the Russians brought the guns, and the Russians were administering those territories.
     
    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities (Odessa only had 9,000 people in 1803, growing to 194,000 in the 1870s). Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren't run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the overwhelmingly rural regions.

    The Ukrainians were peasants, working in the fields.
     
    Correct, and they were also Ukrainian Cossacks who were given land grants and noble title in exchange for settlement. I already gave you an example of such a family - the Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov, whose Ukrainian Cossack ancestors came to these lands in the early 1800s and whose father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Also, part of New Russia included the Zaporozhian lands, who already have over 100,000 free Ukrainian peasant/farmer settlers in the mid 18th century, before Russia took those lands over.

    "Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated."

    You have reached a new level of retardation. Congratulations.

    Dostoyevsky was born in Moscow, spoke Russian and lived in Russia. You can consider someone a Ukrainian either if one was an ethnic Ukrainian, or if one was a citizen of Ukraine. He was neither of these.
     
    Dostoyevsky's father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. He was a typical minor Ukrainian nobleman, his father (the writer Dostoyevsky's grandfather) had been a Greek Catholic priest with a small estate. Mikhail Dostoyevsky studied medicine and moved to Moscow. He married a Russian woman. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    "You can call Nikolai Gogol a Ukrainian – that’s fare, he was an ethnic Ukrainian."

    But even Gogol was not a Ukrainian writer, but a Russian writer. He never did a piece of writing in Ukrainian. Not even a personal letter. Nothing.
     
    Nikolai Gogol's father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I'm not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language in his life:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C-%D0%AF%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%90%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is [humanoid earth worms].

    That referred to peasant people. That has nothing to do with me.
     
    Yes, you see peasants as something that you and not they are are - a humanoid earth worm.

    "So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine. You claim that he was not one despite that recognition."

    No.

    There is no king without a kingdom. No matter how he called himself and how someone else might have called him, he was not a sovereign ruler.

    The same as the Donbas republics are not independent, even though Russia and some other states have recognized them.
     
    Well first you claim that only he himself referred to himself as that. Then when it was shown to you that the Orthodox Patriarch's men and the Sultan also referred to him as such, you now claim something else. This claim is wrong like the others. Khmelnytsky was sovereign in his territory, independently controlling his own army, making and administering his own laws, making treaties with other countries.

    The Donbas republics, on the other hand, are not. They do only what the Russia tells them to do.

    "Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield."

    These people slaughtered at least one hundred thousand of their “brothers” and neighbors.
     
    Indeed, civil wars between brothers can be very brutal. Fortunately those times have passed. This Russian invasion of Ukraine has really done much to put that tragedy in the past and to reconcile the two brotherly peoples.

    The Poles despise them, and hate them
     
    Wishful thinking by a Soviet degenerate worm.

    I was just in Poland in April, Poles in general like Ukrainians. Many of them are even taking Ukrainians into their own homes, people who own apartments are providing them shelter for free, etc.


    Our Soviet education was superior to that of the US,
     
    You personally prove that it wasn't. Ignorant of basic historical facts (see above), innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct all along), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    You had a poor, second-rate power that fell further and further behind until it just fell apart in запой and crime (the only thing Sovok Sharikovs are really good at). Its legacy was a murder rate worse than in Central America.

    A provincial Soviet Sharikov is more intelligent, more knowledgeable, and brought up better than an American doctor.

     

    How cute that a Sharikov "thinks" such things.

    Your so called elite upbringing produced an arrogant narcissist
     
    Sharikov is too dumb or too blind to imagine or see anything beyond his own nose.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man's vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human. Funnily enough, the same can be said for your grotesque experiment of a state, and its immediate descendants. I tell you the truth about yourself. But just because I correctly place you where you belong in relation almost every other person commenting here, including me, does not make me proud or arrogant. As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren't one of them though, Sharikov.

    coming from another million dollar apartment, stolen from the state.
     
    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended. In this case it is a false and stupid claim, but your implication about universal moral corruption of Soviet people such as yourself has a whiff of truth to it, at least. Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    A piece of shit is what we call such people.
     
    You call Soviet people who got apartments from the state shit? That's most of them. You are starting to recognize yourself at last.

    "So-called Ukrainianization involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival."

    The Russian settlers founded and built those cities.
     
    They were small provincial cities or towns before the Ukrainians came.

    "They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates."

    There was no Ukraine, idiot. That was a part of Russia, and the magnates were the Poles,
     
    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne (the last Rurikid to rule a country). These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Here Be Dragon

    You personally prove that [Soviet education was superior] it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts, innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).

    Very funny, chimpanzee.

    Very amazing seeing how your narcissist brain manages to twist facts to seemingly fit your expectations.

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed, but you were asked to explain how you arrived to that figure, which you were reluctant to do. Then you said it was a guess, and then you were given the correct number.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t. You will probably have to write emails to your friends to help you figure it out. Here is a reminder for you – a PISA score has the mean of 500 and deviation 100, an IQ sore has the mean of 100 and deviation 15. Scale one to the other.

    Prove you are not that dumb.

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong. You keep doing it now, like a complete idiot.

    And regarding logic, dumbass. You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Even a complete idiot should understand that it would be an impossible task.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human.

    You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords, who were impregnating teenage Ukrainian women, when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Mine were not. So shut your stinking mouth up, you piece of Polish spermatozoid.

    As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.

    You don’t have enough intelligence to estimate the difference. Your entire thinking process is emotional, like that of a woman. And what you have told me is worth less than a woman’s mumbling.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    Your family are a bunch of thieves.

    Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.

    You have no idea what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend the concept of truth.

    [MORE]

    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well. Liberated its land.

    You can continue masturbate on that old map.

    But now Russia is back again, and these Polish fantasies about the Intermarium will never materialize. You bitches will be beaten, and will learn your place once again.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin. You are little punk ass bitches with a big mouth, incapable of any organized activity whatsoever. You will be beaten with a bitch slap.

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Even the smaller but genuine nations around them contributed to the world a lot more. The Romanians had Enescu the Hungarians had Bartok. The Poles and Lithuanians had magnates – the exploiters of people, incapable of creating anything worth remembering.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father ain’t shit. He is known as nothing but Nikolai Gogol’s father.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian, and you are a fool if you believe that he did even though you are not sure of that. You are a fool in any case.

    Fool.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map. He was born in Russia and was a Russian.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities. Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the rural regions.

    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians. Some were founded and built by the Poles, some by the Lithuanians. There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded and built by the Ukrainians.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    You were never meant to have a state, never had what it takes to maintain one. You are not even a real nation, and not even a real ethnos. You are nothing, but a bunch of bastards with IQ below average.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong.
     
    I left the thread because moderation took a while on that blog and the article was old. So I have proven you wrong here:

    1. Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers.

    2. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state (army, laws, own supreme ruler on its territory).

    You had nothing to contradict it, so you brought up some old discussion which I left because one had to wait for moderation and it was an old article.

    "You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this."

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords
     
    Sharikov thinks everyone is as immoral and as debauched as Soviets like his Soviet ancestors.

    when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.
     
    Sharikov believes fairytales that he was taught. That was a myth used by later writers.

    Your ancestors were bastards.
     
    Sharikov tries to bark, again.

    No, my people were not immoral Soviet savages.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs. Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden, interestingly). Occasionally commoners were ennobled for some service, such as in battle. I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    The Magnates in Ukraine were largely Rurikids and other Rus, and some Slavicized Lithuanians.

    Now Sharikov will regurgitate Soviet historical myths and will have them corrected:

    "There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites."

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.
     
    Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was a Rurikid prince, his conversion to Catholicism from Orthodoxy as an adult did not erase this fact. He was the legitimate ruler of the Ukrainian lands, not some partially-Tatar Muscovite. He built numerous towns in Ukraine.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.
     
    The Rus lands were controlled by indigenous Rus princes from families such as Ostrogski, Wiśniowiecki and Sapieha. They not only controlled their own lands but steered the Eastern policy of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. An ignorant Sharikov such as you just believes the fairytales fed into your poor head, about some kind of foreign rule. Lol.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well.
     
    Khmelytsky committed treason, allied with the Tatars and split the PLC. Muscovites took advantage of this internal problem. Ukraine has suffered as a result of Khmelnytsky's treason.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin
     
    Indeed, the transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    "The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky."

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.
     
    Sharikov thinks something else. Cute. The beauty of places such as Krakow, Zamosc, Lviv, the churches and palaces, contradict your claim.

    Here is a chart from this blog of numeracy over the years; there is no data for mass literacy but this is a good stand-in for it:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/historical-numeracy-russia-poland-ukraine.png

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    The Hetmanate, particularly its earlier years, was the child of the PLC. Contrast Mazepa as described in French diplomat Jean Baluse's memoirs:

    “At his court he has two German doctors, with whom he converses in their tongue; to the Italian masters of whom there are several in the castle, he speaks in the Italian language. I spoke with the master of Ukraine in the Latin language, inasmuch he assured me that he was not very fluent in French…I do not know if this statement of his concealed a special motive, for I myself saw French and Dutch newspapers in his study.”

    With Peter's court as described by Danish envoy Just:

    “Prince Menshikov, a figure second to the tsar, could neither read nor write. Chancellor Golovkin knew no language but Russian; not a single one of the tsar’s dignitaries could speak Latin, with the exception of Musin-Pushkin, who was fluent in that language. Even Tsar Peter, whose ‘enlightenment’ was widely known, spoke only one Western European language, namely Dutch, and even here the tsar had difficulty in making himself understood.”

    Just described how all of the teachers at the Moscow gymnasium were either Ukrainians or Byelorussians (“Orthodox from Poland”).

    The ordinary monks in the Pecherska Lavra spoke fluently with him in Latin. He was greatly surprised to see the Ukrainian peasants in many villages going to church with prayer books, suggesting that they were literate.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian
     
    A quick google search indicates that he wrote a letter in Ukrainian to his fiend Josef
    Bohdan Zaleski (a Polish Ukrainophile) in 1837, signed with the Ukrainian-language version of his name (Mykola).

    "Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian."

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map
     
    Dostoyevsky's father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian, like Gogol the product of the PLC.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing "Ukraine":

    https://i.imgur.com/h5mzLhT.png

    Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?


    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians.
     
    No, only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside. And those Russians who had founded those towns, had nothing to do with Sovoks like you, Sharikov. Your ancestors' team killed them all or drove them into exile when you stole their properties.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

     

    Only your Soviet nation is artificial, Sharikov. The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians. If there were only half as many Ukrainians as there are Russians, Ukrainians would probably be on the way to taking Moscow by now.

    :::::::::::::

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed,
     
    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary, Sharikov.

    You had actually believed that your sample in which 20% were very smart Muscovites was a valid representation of the Russian average IQ when in reality smart Muscovites were only 10% of the Russian population and a sample of 20% Muscovites would skew the results upward.

    I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    My guess was 100.5. The number you calculated after 2 days or whatever, was 100.4.

    Sharikov is slow.

    You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.
     
    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still "thinks" that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm. So an American with an IQ of 100 has the mean IQ for the USA, it would be lower if he took a Canadian test.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t.
     
    I did it 2 days before you did.

    I don't need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I'd estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended."

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.
     
    They were not expected to be homeless. The place where they lived full time became theirs, as with everyone else. It was no different, except the place was nicer because they were more important.

    However the entire system was based on theft, and everyone involved including your ancestors shared in that theft and murder. In Poland they are returning properties to the pre-Communist owners or compensating them if doing so is impossible. Russia doesn't do the same - why would they, because post-90s Russia is a purely Soviet creation.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Here Be Dragon

  122. @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    Cold War resulted in Russia/USSR/Warsaw pact having to do everything ourselves from high tech to simple products. Even then, despite friendly countries in Asia, Africa and South America - supply chains of raw materials or cheap produce involving these countries were very hard to set up because of the frequent death and chaos the west was fermenting in them.

    Intellectual population and own natural resources of Warsaw pact did great job at dealing with these problems...... but maybe this was about 40% of problems solved.


    Now its different. Russia, just like the USSR can solve many of the technological and product issues independently.....but different to then, there is China, possibly Turkey, hopefully India and other countries that can help neutralise most of the technology/product/investment /and intellectual hole created by the west moving out, and for which Russia can't cover for ourselves. Supply chains of raw material and produce from 2nd/ 3rd world countries shouldn't be much of a problem (shipping gangsterism from the west of Russian cargoes will easily be solved).

    Much of the blackmarket for good everyday or luxury Western products will be legalised by the state, so these will flood into Russia via China, via heavily corrupt and pathetic Ukraine, via Turkey and anywhere else.

    Construction industry machinery should not be too big a problem.... except in tunneling which traditionally South Korean or German TBM's have been transferred. Turkey may be able to assist.

    Although we had many beautiful holidays in USSR, now we can still fly on holiday all around the world - Turkey of course, Egypt, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Seychelles, Bali....and Russians are still getting visas into the EU. There just won't be any "iron curtain" type isolation of Russia.

    Fortunately, modern cinema is shit so from an entertainment perspective we aren't missing much if big Hollywood films aren't released over here, although certainly there is going to be huge trouble for our cinema chains and will be mass closures of them.

    Unlike worthless shithole banderastan, Russia have had all the major World music performers do concert over here. "western" Banderastan has basically had none of them LOL. Russian performers have been the most popular there anyway, despite many of them being banned since 2014. The true cold War of music concerts will be on Ukraine - with their youth not hearing western or Russian performers there. Ukraine concert list in other words..... will be identical to Latvia's or Burkina Faso.

    Militirisation agenda, climate agenda AND globohomo agenda of the West should all be financially incompatible with each other, so I expect much of NATO militarism agenda to fail or get smashed by us anyway.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Even under the Iron Curtain, we had school trips to see Moscow and Leningrad (showing my age there!) from my English school.

  123. @LondonBob
    @Thulean Friend

    FT saying we, Britain, will cut off our gas pipelines for continental Europe this winter. We still produce a reasonable amount and we also have a lot of LNG terminals.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    It’s more a case of “if we have to, in order that our people don’t freeze”.

    At the moment we are pumping gas to Europe as fast as we can do it. Basically the UK and Spain are the countries with big terminals for receiving liquified natural gas (LNG) from places like the Gulf.

    https://jpt.spe.org/uks-lng-infrastructure-export-pipelines-offer-europe-a-bridge-to-energy-security

    “The UK has been a net importer of gas since 2005, covering 50% of demand with its own production from the North and Irish Seas plus associated petroleum gas from oil fields.

    Norway supplies about 30% of UK imports via pipeline, with LNG from Qatar, the US, and Russia accounting for a bit more than 15%, according to the Outlook.

    Any surplus gas in the system can then be exported to Europe via the BBL pipeline to the Netherlands (Bacton to Balgzand) or through the Interconnector pipeline to Belgium (Bacton to Zeebrugge.) The ability to regasify LNG from anywhere in the world and then deliver it to Europe by pipeline makes Britain an “energy bridge” that can wean Europe off Russian energy while longer-term solutions are put into place.

    This summer, UK gas exports to the EU could reach 5.1 Bcm, far beyond the volumes of 2021, when exports totaled only 0.7 Bcm because cold summers had drawn down the UK’s gas reserves, according to National Grid which noted that the increased exports are to be based on “commercial agreements” as opposed to intergovernmental agreements.

    LNG is expected to play a major role in boosting EU gas supplies from new sources globally, with more cargos directed in the near term to the UK’s three regasification terminals—Grain LNG (the UK’s largest) on the Thames Estuary, Kent; and the South Hook and Dragon regasification terminals in Wales.”

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The UK is also exporting electricity made by burning gas from the terminals at Milford Haven in Wales. This enhances capacity as the pipelines are full. The transmission lines are near my house. I hear the fizz when the weather is misty on my walks.

  124. Sean says:
    @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    I’m even inclined to agree, but that’s all moot now, Russia has gone way too far with this war. Difficult to see how there could be a mutually acceptable solution, relations with Europe may well be irretrievably broken, definitely so if Russia just goes ahead and annexes Kherson and other territories captured since February. There’ll be a new Cold war with a heavily militarized border between NATO and Russia (provided this doesn’t escalate into a wider war, possibly a nuclear one, before). Everybody involved loses.
     
    Kiev regime wants to fight on. Doing so doesn't risk a consequence? Meantime, the West shouldn't see the situation as a dire civilization choice as propaganizded by the svidos and Western neocons.

    Replies: @Sean

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Sean


    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.
     
    Could happen, unless there's a strong civilian revolt with the backing of some influential others.
  125. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    the generous peace agreement the Russians have on the table for the Ukrainians
     
    How would you know about that, and what does "generous" mean? Will Russia agree to evacuate Kherson and other Black sea territories, and agree to referenda in the Donbass?
    Any agreement which includes Russia just annexing huge territories it has captured since February will never be the basis of a diplomatic solution.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @LondonBob

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/
     

    I don't really disagree with the article, but there's nothing in it about what sort of peace deal would be offered by Russia now. If it's something like recognition of Crimea, referenda in Donbass on a district basis and Ukrainian neutrality (not precluding relations with the EU and maintenance of strong Ukrainian armed forces), I'd say Ukraine should take it, but my impression is nobody really knows if Russia's goals aren't vastly more expansive. Are the preliminary steps for annexation of Kherson and other territories merely meant to build up pressure for negotiations, or is Russia intent on annexing vast territories anyway?

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

     

    That may have been true in 18th/19th century Europe, but misses the ideological dimension to the West as it has evolved since WW1. When you think Putin belongs in a war crimes court, there's not really much scope for negotiation. I'm personally not a fan of that mindset, imo it's only going to make things worse, but it's a powerful factor.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @LondonBob

  126. Vzglyad Russian website – Deepl translation – edited

    British officer forced out a Ukrainian family with many children
    3 July 2022, 07:59 Text: Anton Nikitin

    A British officer has kicked out a Ukrainian refugee family with five children, whom he had previously sheltered in his home, The Daily Mail reports.

    The incident took place in the town of Fareham in Hampshire. The family of nine, including five children and two elderly women, found themselves in the UK after two months of living in Poland, RIA Novosti reported.

    According to the head of the family, Maxim Hirik, residents of Fareham Dudley and Kelly Malster agreed to shelter them under a government programme in a small house that they inherited from a deceased relative. According to the Kiev resident, their hosts initially treated them with warmth and hospitality, and even met them on their arrival at the local airport.

    However, a few weeks ago, without any warning, the Malsters terminated the accommodation agreement and the refugees were given until July 15 to leave the house. Speaking to the publication, Hirik said his relatives were “a bit angry” and “very upset” by the British decision.

    “They just stopped talking to us and we received a letter saying we were being evicted They have also cut off the internet, so it is difficult for us to email and communicate. The landlord is heartless,” stated the Ukrainian. According to the man, his family is keen to stay in Fareham, as here they can “start life anew”, with “no way back to Ukraine”.

    As journalists have discovered, 40-year-old homeowner Dudley Malster is a senior officer in the Royal Navy with 20 years’ experience, having served in Afghanistan, Bahrain, as well as being involved in providing overseas travel for the royal family. The Briton has two children.

    Hampshire County Council told the Ukrainians it was looking for a new home for them, while warning that the refugees could end up in a hotel many miles away from their last accommodation. Hirik himself said he had contacted five local estate agents, but they, on hearing about his family, “just said ‘no’ and hung up”.

    “The private landlords are demanding six months’ rent in advance before they even start considering us. I hope we can achieve our goal and it will give us a chance to at least try to get our place,” said the Kiev man. As a result, the family was able to raise part of the money for the rent through crowdfunding. At the same time, the Malsters did not comment on their decision regarding the refugees.

    Earlier, Warsaw Mayor Rafal Trzaskowski told Russian pranksters Vladimir Kuznetsov and Aleksey Stolyarov (Vovan and Lexus) about the failure of the programme for the reception of Ukrainian refugees. The Vzglyad newspaper discussed why Europe is fed up with spongers from Ukraine.

    Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wielgus

    The family has special needs children. Two of the ten most expensive towns in Britain are in Hampshire. In Britain you don't need to pay a bribe to the receptionist to get a doctor's appointment; and there is all sort of free state of the art treatment available for people with intractable condition like schizophrenia or autism. Many foreigners from countries like Pakistan fly in and dump their relatives with these problems in Britain. People with a large family are entitled to ail sorts of benefits and grants. There is an abundance of work in the industries that cannot be outsourced (services and especially construction). Ukrainians were already working all over Britain on construction sites and being paid under the table. What Boris Johnson has just promised Ukraine in aid as the latest installment would pay for two major hospitals.

  127. Sean says:
    @Mikhail
    @Sean

    Re: Minsk Protocol


    Germany and France actively pursued it and the US acquiesced. Zelensky was elected to enact Minsk and had taken step to do so in 2019 but Azov and Poroshenko protested Zelensky was selling Ukraine out. Thereafter he eschewed compromise, got a restatement of the Nato position that Ukraine would be joining, used drones and Javalins in Donbass and seems to have imagined that Putin would be scared to do anything. Zelensky did not believe there was going to be an invasion until about a week before despite all the warning from Biden that there certainly was.
     
    Germany and France along with the US never influenced the Kiev regime to enact it with the threat of sanctions.

    Porky recently said that Minsk was signed by the Kiev regime to buy time. I recall that being said of Merkel as well. Need to verify the latter.

    Replies: @Sean

    The so called Normandy Process in which Germany and France brokered a deal to begin inactment of Minsk stalled in 2015 because Poroshenko had signed it with no intention of honoring it. Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters had been eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal based on Minsk. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans (not counting McCain & company) thought the deal was the way forward for Ukraine. In 2019 Normandy format negotiation were restated by Zelensky, France and Germany participated along with Russian and Ukrainian diplomats. American diplomats were happy enough when Zelensky and he agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region without a full Russian withdrawal would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev.

    However there was opposition; members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber Stop Capitulation” demonstration, which was supported by ex president Poroshenko, who has proven skills overthrowing elected presidents by means of mass protests, and who Zelensky had shockingly defeated in the election. Zelensky retreated back out of the deal, and is dubious that American diplomats / Deep State were was happy about Zelensky’s turn to a more confrontational approach. Ukrainian government had that impression.

    When all was said and done Ukraine was not a member of Nato, and had no real protection from attack through Charter Five. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation, so by then Putin started to think such an operation was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind. Obama had denied Ukraine weapon and Trump ought to have as well.

    It has been Poroshenko all along, he was important in the Orange revolution and instrumental in the events of 2014 which provoked Putin to use force, hired Biden’s son, got Trump to agree to supply weapons, and finally he prevented an agreement in 2019. Too focused on outmaneuvering Poroshenko in domestic politics (including by arraigning him on twenty charges including treason), Zelensky did not see the danger in trying to face down Putin without full Nato membership. What public cast iron guarantees of an army coming to Ukraine’s aid in the event of hostilities did Zelensky have?; nobody is going to sign up to fight Russia. Poroshenko says it was to play for time but time had run out. Ukraine was never going to be given back Crimea, which was historically and demographically Russian anyway. Zelensky would have had to give two and a half percent of Ukraine held by separatists in the Donbass autonomy within Ukraine and the fighting would be over. Zelensky is in fact willing to settle for that now, but Ukraine will not be able to drive the Russians back to the two and a half percent and the West is scared to do it by supplying Ukraine with masses of missiles, nor will it get Russia to do it by sanctions. Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Sean


    Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.
     
    Where is this glimmer of realism coming from? Did the bosses change marching orders?

    Anyway, considering that the most pigheaded Ukie Nazis are sent to their hero Bandera by hundreds per day in Donbass, and that many NATO countries are getting low on weapons and ammo, whereas Russia shows no sign of shortage, even your “realism” is not only late, but not very realistic. If RF decides to leave a token “Ukraine” (that’s a big if, getting bigger with every Ukie shelling of Russian territory), it won’t be much bigger and much more developed than the pathetic “Ukraine” Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654. FYI, it was maybe 1/6th of current territory. The rest were gifts from tsars, Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev. It became clear that the recipients do not deserve those gifts, so they will be taken back.

    Replies: @Sean

  128. German_reader says:
    @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/

    I don’t really disagree with the article, but there’s nothing in it about what sort of peace deal would be offered by Russia now. If it’s something like recognition of Crimea, referenda in Donbass on a district basis and Ukrainian neutrality (not precluding relations with the EU and maintenance of strong Ukrainian armed forces), I’d say Ukraine should take it, but my impression is nobody really knows if Russia’s goals aren’t vastly more expansive. Are the preliminary steps for annexation of Kherson and other territories merely meant to build up pressure for negotiations, or is Russia intent on annexing vast territories anyway?

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

    That may have been true in 18th/19th century Europe, but misses the ideological dimension to the West as it has evolved since WW1. When you think Putin belongs in a war crimes court, there’s not really much scope for negotiation. I’m personally not a fan of that mindset, imo it’s only going to make things worse, but it’s a powerful factor.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just dropping in (the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control) to share the latest video by "Perun" on German re-armament, as a lot of things long argued over here are directly adressed. For someone so young and far from what he's talking about, the quality and regularness of his output really has been impressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDUVtUA7rg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    , @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

    Replies: @Mikhail

  129. @songbird
    I've just been trying to read about historical executions in the UK to try to get a feel for what method would have been applied in a certain case in Ireland in the 1500s (still no firm idea), but I came across a really gruesome one, that I thought was interesting (not for the weak of stomach):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_Martyrs

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader, @S

    That was horrible. Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?

  130. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Most idiotic comment you have written:


    The average IQ of university students is 115, because the difficulties of material require higher intelligence which people develop through the course of their studies. Most students begin with the IQ of 100 and finish with the IQ of 115. Your idea of intelligence being inherited is wrong.
     
    LOL.

    IQ is fairly stable since adolescence.

    The article you quote from is written by this person:

    https://ezinearticles.com/expert/Susan_Du_Plessis/6383#more-information

    "After training in psychology and theology, Susan du Plessis became actively engaged in researching learning difficulties including dyslexia."

    She has a Bachelor's degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner's multiple intelligences theory.

    She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence.

    A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    Meanwhile actual studies:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S104160801400020X?via%3Dihub

    "Our findings as well as those of former studies are consistent with the position of Rost (2010) that the intelligence of a person does not seem to underlie dramatic changes from the age of about 12 to 14 years onwards. Exceptions to this rule may include deficient intelligence diagnosis, changes in health status, or/and the emergence of strong emotional problems (e.g., Schneider et al., 2004). "

    IQ is hereditary, it doesn't change much over time (it can change a little), unless there is some sort of brain damage. Education can raise IQ by a few points but that is modest.

    Increasing the number of people in universities only decreases the average IQ of university students. The average IQ of 114 (not 115) is in American university students. And that number isn't in all estimates.

    Here is an article showing how average IQs in university students declines as the number of students increases:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2021/05/phd-students-arent-what-they-used-to-be-either/

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/degree.png

    "The increased uptake of course also means that the curriculum and associated exams must be continuously made easier for the students to keep up their pass rates."

    A place with 55% university graduates is a place where a lot of university graduates are dumb. And indeed, everyone knows that in Russia there were certain institutes for dumb people and others for brilliant people.


    "A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105."

    You will never finish the Business Administration courses with an IQ of 105. There is a lot of difficult material to learn, such as higher mathematics and economics. You need at least 115-120 to get through it.
     

    Your idiocy continues.

    Average IQ by major:

    https://thetab.com/us/2017/04/10/which-major-has-highest-iq-64811#:~:text=Physics%2C%20Mathematical%20Sciences%20and%20Philosophy,out%20on%20top%20with%20133.

    Business Administration: 111.

    If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.


    "When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. Nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all."

    Of course it was corrupt.

    During the Socialism these elite apartments were not gifted but given as an encouragement, to be used for a period of time, not to be owned
     

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    Your extended family are those who are responsible for the theft and robbery of the nation in the following years – first privatizing an elite state property for free,
     
    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation. This wasn't like the creation of the Soviet system which did involve mass theft and murder.

    then purchasing another million dollar flat with the rent money – doing absolutely nothing.
     
    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    They initiated an artificial economic crisis, brought the prices down, and then bought for a one tenth of the cost
     
    The crash of 1998 happened under Yeltsin, my relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened in the 1990s and disgusted by Yeltsin's team. They were naive and had hoped the 1980s reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes. They just stole and killed, as they were bound to do as a result of 70 years of Soviet demoralization.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living for years (like every other person did in the USSR), then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit. Paid taxes. Engaged in no theft. Some of their peers became very rich. And a lot of people from all parts of society were stealing like crazy, many of those joined with the corrupt segments of the older elite to form the 90s elite. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.


    You built your lives at the expense of the Soviet people, whom you are now despising.
     
    Subhuman Sharikov feels betrayed by his masters. How sad.

    "As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods."

    Technological progress doesn’t happen, it’s a result of hard work
     

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Didn't take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing just fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin "thinks" that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress. Well, you called peasants "humanoid worms" didn't you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.

    [MORE]

    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory. She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence. A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.

    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia, where this faculty is called economics. Even in your shithole country it requires 128, according to your own reference.

    A shit for brain like you would be kicked out of there in a matter of a year.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.

    What an insolent piece of shit – telling me what was and what wasn’t in my own country.

    My grandparents owned a private house in the city. One could own a house or an apartment during the Soviet times. You could not own an apartment in a social building, but could purchase an apartment in a cooperative building. And all detached houses were in private ownership.

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth – really, there’s nothing unethical in this situation.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.

    That was not good luck. Your ilk destroyed the entire country, caused an immense economic crisis, and then bought out the national wealth for a fraction of the cost. You were the only ones who benefited from that.

    My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid, like you. They were the collective Sharikov, created by the collective Schwonder – peasant scum from Ukraine, put into positions of power. They should have never been given passports.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    Even a retard is supposed to understand that giving to a commie son of a bitch an apartment like that, in the historical centre of the capital, is corruption. Your commie family never deserved to even live in an apartment like that, let alone own it.

    Some of their peers became very rich. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free. Excellent logic, doctor.

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.

    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome. Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did. Even the US had not achieved as much as the Soviet people had.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined, the Soviet people sent a man into space fifteen years after that. Rebuilt their factories and built new homes for the people in twenty years.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.

    Stalin was no different from Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible. Their methods were brutal, but their ahievements were great.

    The same as a person has to push himself in order to accomplish something very difficult, so has a nation. The resulting brutality is a side effect of such a high degree of consolidation, and of the effort applied.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress.

    You don’t know even the basic facts of the Russian history, you ignorant Ukrainian idiot.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Before the revolution from 1845 to 1915 the average life expectancy in Russia was 30 years.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%. According to the 1939 Soviet Census, literate people were 89.7%. During the 1950s, the Soviet Union had become a country of 100% literacy.

    You are simply an ignorant Ukrainian fool.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation. Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades. And so did the Greeks. Don’t forget about Hitler. And about Argentina and Chile.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation, and the Russian people had paid their debt a long time ago, despite all odds.

    Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.

    A person given a chance to make something better of himself has to take this chance. Those who prefer to spend their life digging the earth are humanoid worms. That’s a metaphor, doctor – another concept unfamiliar to a dumbass like you.

    Hello.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.
     

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake. Congratulations.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia
     

    By all metrics except number of third worlders allowed in, Russia is inferior to the USA.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.
     
    Sharikov can't read the chart and Sharikov can't reason.

    Those numbers are for Bachelor's degrees, not MDs. Most of them are future nurses.

    You were too stupid to figure it out. Because of Soviet education?


    The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free."

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free.
     

    Why not? Let's compare.

    Homicide rate, USA, 1925: 8.3
    Homicide rate, Russia, 1995: 21.5

    It's clear which soul was more sick.

    1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway.
    1990s Russia had Pelevin (ok he's entertaining) and Sorokin.


    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome.
     
    Idiotic mistake after mistake and mass murder of one's own population.

    Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did.
     
    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor by the 1980s. And all for nothing, it ended in the 90s nihilism that only a people raised in Soviet values could do.

    Good job, Sharikov.


    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined,
     
    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people. After three years of fighting, the Tsar hadn't let the Germans move east of Poland.

    I guess if Sovoks are proud of almost losing a war to a country with about half their population, they can be proud of slowly gaining some territory from Ukraine, another country with a shameful Soviet legacy, with 4.5 times smaller population than Russia.


    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.
     
    No, Soviets killed Russia's Silver Age.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

     
    Sharikov thinks that life expectancy only increased in Russia and that no one else in the world accomplished this increase without Communism.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Portugal was 36 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Portugal 49 years.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Mexico was 29 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Mexico was 40 years.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico. By 1985, Mexico and Russia had the same life expectancy.


    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%
     

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Revolutionary-patterns-of-education

    "According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent."

    The rapid increase in Russian literacy began before the Bolsheviks took power. Their Revolution may have even interrupted the process. Next you will give the Bolsheviks credit for antibiotics and electrification. Or the appearance of airplanes. You are that stupid.


    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation
     
    Russia wasn't consolidated until the Bolsheviks did it? Lol. What happened after only 70 years of Bolshevik rule?

    Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.
     
    I already taught you this Sharikov. You are too dumb to learn though.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    Well, Britannica claims up to 10 million people, mostly civilians, died in the Russian Civil War:

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Russian-Civil-War/Foreign-intervention

    That’s 6.1% of the Russian Empire’s 1914 population.

    The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War.

    Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it's an encyclopedia or something lol.


    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades
     
    Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship
     
    We have rowdy third worlders in our borders.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia and Belarus though:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    “In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)”

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Belarus 345/100,000 and Russia’s 325/100,000.


    with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation
     
    And future, and future. The world will be worse off if America's debt is defaulted than will be the USA.


    "The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation."

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth
     

    Because your entire country was based on theft, you Sharikov are incapable of understanding what actual theft is. Maybe that is why there was so much theft and crime in the 90s by Soviet people like you. When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    "My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes."

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid
     

    If they were stupid despite some being members of the Academy of Sciences what does that tell you about Soviet education?

    They thought too highly of the Soviet people. They didn't realize that a country of Sharikovs such as you would not do anything good with freedom.


    "My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit."

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.
     

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood? What would happen to the people in those regular neighborhoods? Moved to a worse place too?

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  131. @Wielgus
    Vzglyad Russian website - Deepl translation - edited

    British officer forced out a Ukrainian family with many children
    3 July 2022, 07:59 Text: Anton Nikitin

    A British officer has kicked out a Ukrainian refugee family with five children, whom he had previously sheltered in his home, The Daily Mail reports.

    The incident took place in the town of Fareham in Hampshire. The family of nine, including five children and two elderly women, found themselves in the UK after two months of living in Poland, RIA Novosti reported.

    According to the head of the family, Maxim Hirik, residents of Fareham Dudley and Kelly Malster agreed to shelter them under a government programme in a small house that they inherited from a deceased relative. According to the Kiev resident, their hosts initially treated them with warmth and hospitality, and even met them on their arrival at the local airport.


    However, a few weeks ago, without any warning, the Malsters terminated the accommodation agreement and the refugees were given until July 15 to leave the house. Speaking to the publication, Hirik said his relatives were "a bit angry" and "very upset" by the British decision.

    "They just stopped talking to us and we received a letter saying we were being evicted They have also cut off the internet, so it is difficult for us to email and communicate. The landlord is heartless," stated the Ukrainian. According to the man, his family is keen to stay in Fareham, as here they can "start life anew", with "no way back to Ukraine".

    As journalists have discovered, 40-year-old homeowner Dudley Malster is a senior officer in the Royal Navy with 20 years' experience, having served in Afghanistan, Bahrain, as well as being involved in providing overseas travel for the royal family. The Briton has two children.

    Hampshire County Council told the Ukrainians it was looking for a new home for them, while warning that the refugees could end up in a hotel many miles away from their last accommodation. Hirik himself said he had contacted five local estate agents, but they, on hearing about his family, "just said 'no' and hung up".

    "The private landlords are demanding six months' rent in advance before they even start considering us. I hope we can achieve our goal and it will give us a chance to at least try to get our place," said the Kiev man. As a result, the family was able to raise part of the money for the rent through crowdfunding. At the same time, the Malsters did not comment on their decision regarding the refugees.

    Earlier, Warsaw Mayor Rafal Trzaskowski told Russian pranksters Vladimir Kuznetsov and Aleksey Stolyarov (Vovan and Lexus) about the failure of the programme for the reception of Ukrainian refugees. The Vzglyad newspaper discussed why Europe is fed up with spongers from Ukraine.

    Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

    Replies: @Sean

    The family has special needs children. Two of the ten most expensive towns in Britain are in Hampshire. In Britain you don’t need to pay a bribe to the receptionist to get a doctor’s appointment; and there is all sort of free state of the art treatment available for people with intractable condition like schizophrenia or autism. Many foreigners from countries like Pakistan fly in and dump their relatives with these problems in Britain. People with a large family are entitled to ail sorts of benefits and grants. There is an abundance of work in the industries that cannot be outsourced (services and especially construction). Ukrainians were already working all over Britain on construction sites and being paid under the table. What Boris Johnson has just promised Ukraine in aid as the latest installment would pay for two major hospitals.

  132. @Sean
    @Mikhail

    The so called Normandy Process in which Germany and France brokered a deal to begin inactment of Minsk stalled in 2015 because Poroshenko had signed it with no intention of honoring it. Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters had been eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal based on Minsk. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans (not counting McCain & company) thought the deal was the way forward for Ukraine. In 2019 Normandy format negotiation were restated by Zelensky, France and Germany participated along with Russian and Ukrainian diplomats. American diplomats were happy enough when Zelensky and he agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region without a full Russian withdrawal would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev.

    However there was opposition; members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber Stop Capitulation” demonstration, which was supported by ex president Poroshenko, who has proven skills overthrowing elected presidents by means of mass protests, and who Zelensky had shockingly defeated in the election. Zelensky retreated back out of the deal, and is dubious that American diplomats / Deep State were was happy about Zelensky’s turn to a more confrontational approach. Ukrainian government had that impression.

    When all was said and done Ukraine was not a member of Nato, and had no real protection from attack through Charter Five. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation, so by then Putin started to think such an operation was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind. Obama had denied Ukraine weapon and Trump ought to have as well.

    It has been Poroshenko all along, he was important in the Orange revolution and instrumental in the events of 2014 which provoked Putin to use force, hired Biden’s son, got Trump to agree to supply weapons, and finally he prevented an agreement in 2019. Too focused on outmaneuvering Poroshenko in domestic politics (including by arraigning him on twenty charges including treason), Zelensky did not see the danger in trying to face down Putin without full Nato membership. What public cast iron guarantees of an army coming to Ukraine’s aid in the event of hostilities did Zelensky have?; nobody is going to sign up to fight Russia. Poroshenko says it was to play for time but time had run out. Ukraine was never going to be given back Crimea, which was historically and demographically Russian anyway. Zelensky would have had to give two and a half percent of Ukraine held by separatists in the Donbass autonomy within Ukraine and the fighting would be over. Zelensky is in fact willing to settle for that now, but Ukraine will not be able to drive the Russians back to the two and a half percent and the West is scared to do it by supplying Ukraine with masses of missiles, nor will it get Russia to do it by sanctions. Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Russia is going to end up in control of 50 -70% of Ukraine before the generals prevail on Zelensky.

    Where is this glimmer of realism coming from? Did the bosses change marching orders?

    Anyway, considering that the most pigheaded Ukie Nazis are sent to their hero Bandera by hundreds per day in Donbass, and that many NATO countries are getting low on weapons and ammo, whereas Russia shows no sign of shortage, even your “realism” is not only late, but not very realistic. If RF decides to leave a token “Ukraine” (that’s a big if, getting bigger with every Ukie shelling of Russian territory), it won’t be much bigger and much more developed than the pathetic “Ukraine” Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654. FYI, it was maybe 1/6th of current territory. The rest were gifts from tsars, Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev. It became clear that the recipients do not deserve those gifts, so they will be taken back.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AnonfromTN

    Pre Khmelnytsky it was was owned by Polish lords and administered by Jewish arrendators. He allied it with Russia thereby accepting a certain overlordship. Russia was fighting the backward peoples, while Poland embroiled with the militarily advanced Sweden, later inventors of the NLAW. Russia ceasing to have worry very much about China is going to be a turning point in my opinion.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate#/media/File:Location_of_Cossack_Hetmanate.png

    The Eastern extent of Khmelnytsky's Hetemanate looks very like what modern Ukraine holds minus what Russia has taken in its current military campaign; enduring constraints imposed by terrain no doubt. Which is dressed up as 'history' and 'culture'. A good example is Kiev cant be encircled because of the ravines and bogs on its north-western side. The West of Ukraine is where most of Ukraine's militarily useful infrastructure was built during the Cold War

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  133. S says:

    A lot of reports, once again, of Slovakia possibly sending Mig 29’s to Ukraine. They are not saying they will, but, that ‘they can’, now that their neighbor has agreed to protect Slovakia’s air space while they await modern US replacement aircraft.

    A trial balloon to see what kind of response there might be, it could be supposed…

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  134. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/mr13fkSJ/Ape.jpg


    You personally prove that [Soviet education was superior] it wasn’t. Ignorant of basic historical facts, innumerate (how long did it take you to discover that my estimate of PISA-derived Russia IQ was correct), poor at logic (using the Moscow outlier without correction).
     
    Very funny, chimpanzee.

    Very amazing seeing how your narcissist brain manages to twist facts to seemingly fit your expectations.

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed, but you were asked to explain how you arrived to that figure, which you were reluctant to do. Then you said it was a guess, and then you were given the correct number.

    You still don't have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn't. You will probably have to write emails to your friends to help you figure it out. Here is a reminder for you – a PISA score has the mean of 500 and deviation 100, an IQ sore has the mean of 100 and deviation 15. Scale one to the other.

    Prove you are not that dumb.

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong. You keep doing it now, like a complete idiot.

    And regarding logic, dumbass. You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    Even a complete idiot should understand that it would be an impossible task.

    As a Soviet creation, you are certainly nothing but a drunk man’s vomitus compared to me, a peasant, or any other human.
     
    You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords, who were impregnating teenage Ukrainian women, when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Mine were not. So shut your stinking mouth up, you piece of Polish spermatozoid.

    As I have already told you, there are certainly better and smarter people here than me. You aren’t one of them though, Sharikov.
     
    You don't have enough intelligence to estimate the difference. Your entire thinking process is emotional, like that of a woman. And what you have told me is worth less than a woman's mumbling.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.
     
    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    Your family are a bunch of thieves.

    Probably that is the closest to the truth that you have gotten to in your life, humanoid worm.
     
    You have no idea what the truth is, and cannot even comprehend the concept of truth.


    There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.

     

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus'.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus' was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus' land.

    Later the Rus' gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well. Liberated its land.

    You can continue masturbate on that old map.

    But now Russia is back again, and these Polish fantasies about the Intermarium will never materialize. You bitches will be beaten, and will learn your place once again.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin. You are little punk ass bitches with a big mouth, incapable of any organized activity whatsoever. You will be beaten with a bitch slap.

    The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.
     
    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Even the smaller but genuine nations around them contributed to the world a lot more. The Romanians had Enescu the Hungarians had Bartok. The Poles and Lithuanians had magnates – the exploiters of people, incapable of creating anything worth remembering.

    Nikolai Gogol’s father wrote literature and staged plays in the Ukrainian language. I’m not sure if anything written by Nikolai Gogol in Ukrainian survives but you are a fool if you think that he had never written anything in the Ukrainian language.
     
    Nikolai Gogol's father ain't shit. He is known as nothing but Nikolai Gogol's father.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian, and you are a fool if you believe that he did even though you are not sure of that. You are a fool in any case.

    Fool.

    Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.
     
    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map. He was born in Russia and was a Russian.

    There were a small number of Russians living in small cities. Administration by them was rudimentary and unnecessary in the region. The farms weren’t run by the urban administrators and the farms were more important than the cities in the rural regions.
     
    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians. Some were founded and built by the Poles, some by the Lithuanians. There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded and built by the Ukrainians.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    You were never meant to have a state, never had what it takes to maintain one. You are not even a real nation, and not even a real ethnos. You are nothing, but a bunch of bastards with IQ below average.

    Replies: @AP

    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong.

    I left the thread because moderation took a while on that blog and the article was old. So I have proven you wrong here:

    1. Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers.

    2. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state (army, laws, own supreme ruler on its territory).

    You had nothing to contradict it, so you brought up some old discussion which I left because one had to wait for moderation and it was an old article.

    “You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this.”

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords

    Sharikov thinks everyone is as immoral and as debauched as Soviets like his Soviet ancestors.

    when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.

    Sharikov believes fairytales that he was taught. That was a myth used by later writers.

    Your ancestors were bastards.

    Sharikov tries to bark, again.

    No, my people were not immoral Soviet savages.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs. Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden, interestingly). Occasionally commoners were ennobled for some service, such as in battle. I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    The Magnates in Ukraine were largely Rurikids and other Rus, and some Slavicized Lithuanians.

    Now Sharikov will regurgitate Soviet historical myths and will have them corrected:

    “There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites.”

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.

    Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was a Rurikid prince, his conversion to Catholicism from Orthodoxy as an adult did not erase this fact. He was the legitimate ruler of the Ukrainian lands, not some partially-Tatar Muscovite. He built numerous towns in Ukraine.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.

    The Rus lands were controlled by indigenous Rus princes from families such as Ostrogski, Wiśniowiecki and Sapieha. They not only controlled their own lands but steered the Eastern policy of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. An ignorant Sharikov such as you just believes the fairytales fed into your poor head, about some kind of foreign rule. Lol.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well.

    Khmelytsky committed treason, allied with the Tatars and split the PLC. Muscovites took advantage of this internal problem. Ukraine has suffered as a result of Khmelnytsky’s treason.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin

    Indeed, the transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    “The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky.”

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.

    Sharikov thinks something else. Cute. The beauty of places such as Krakow, Zamosc, Lviv, the churches and palaces, contradict your claim.

    Here is a chart from this blog of numeracy over the years; there is no data for mass literacy but this is a good stand-in for it:

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    The Hetmanate, particularly its earlier years, was the child of the PLC. Contrast Mazepa as described in French diplomat Jean Baluse’s memoirs:

    “At his court he has two German doctors, with whom he converses in their tongue; to the Italian masters of whom there are several in the castle, he speaks in the Italian language. I spoke with the master of Ukraine in the Latin language, inasmuch he assured me that he was not very fluent in French…I do not know if this statement of his concealed a special motive, for I myself saw French and Dutch newspapers in his study.”

    With Peter’s court as described by Danish envoy Just:

    “Prince Menshikov, a figure second to the tsar, could neither read nor write. Chancellor Golovkin knew no language but Russian; not a single one of the tsar’s dignitaries could speak Latin, with the exception of Musin-Pushkin, who was fluent in that language. Even Tsar Peter, whose ‘enlightenment’ was widely known, spoke only one Western European language, namely Dutch, and even here the tsar had difficulty in making himself understood.”

    Just described how all of the teachers at the Moscow gymnasium were either Ukrainians or Byelorussians (“Orthodox from Poland”).

    The ordinary monks in the Pecherska Lavra spoke fluently with him in Latin. He was greatly surprised to see the Ukrainian peasants in many villages going to church with prayer books, suggesting that they were literate.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian

    A quick google search indicates that he wrote a letter in Ukrainian to his fiend Josef
    Bohdan Zaleski (a Polish Ukrainophile) in 1837, signed with the Ukrainian-language version of his name (Mykola).

    “Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.”

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map

    Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian, like Gogol the product of the PLC.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing “Ukraine”:

    Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?

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    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians.

    No, only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside. And those Russians who had founded those towns, had nothing to do with Sovoks like you, Sharikov. Your ancestors’ team killed them all or drove them into exile when you stole their properties.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

    Only your Soviet nation is artificial, Sharikov. The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians. If there were only half as many Ukrainians as there are Russians, Ukrainians would probably be on the way to taking Moscow by now.

    :::::::::::::

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed,

    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary, Sharikov.

    You had actually believed that your sample in which 20% were very smart Muscovites was a valid representation of the Russian average IQ when in reality smart Muscovites were only 10% of the Russian population and a sample of 20% Muscovites would skew the results upward.

    I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    My guess was 100.5. The number you calculated after 2 days or whatever, was 100.4.

    Sharikov is slow.

    You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.

    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still “thinks” that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm. So an American with an IQ of 100 has the mean IQ for the USA, it would be lower if he took a Canadian test.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t.

    I did it 2 days before you did.

    I don’t need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I’d estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended.”

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.

    They were not expected to be homeless. The place where they lived full time became theirs, as with everyone else. It was no different, except the place was nicer because they were more important.

    However the entire system was based on theft, and everyone involved including your ancestors shared in that theft and murder. In Poland they are returning properties to the pre-Communist owners or compensating them if doing so is impossible. Russia doesn’t do the same – why would they, because post-90s Russia is a purely Soviet creation.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    You should take some pride in knowing that the "Sharikov" model is the newest and most advanced Russian troll developed and put into production. Still, he doesn't seem to be doing very well. His sole objective is to try and take you down, which means that you must be considered to be quite important on somebody's top ten list. I think if they keep developing such models, they might start to approach your acuity in another 10 to 12 generations. Maybe in another 25 years? I think that you'll be fully retired by then...

    https://youtu.be/EC8KRd0sDGs
    I think that kremlinstoogeA123 is an experimental model taking correspondence school courses. He should be done with a diploma in about 6 months - he seems to be a quick study. :-)

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qxcurTNcrg

    From Poland with love.

    You are a liar. The Poles will never forget and never forgive. You are hated.


    Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state. You had nothing to contradict it.
     
    And Juan Guaido has been recognized as the president of Venezuela, however he is not the president.

    Ukraine did not exist as a sovereign state even for an hour. Poland didn't recognize it as anything but a province. The land of where is now Ukraine was transferred then from Poland to the Russian Empire.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs.
     
    Yes sure, quoting the Ukrainian historians isn't going to help, apey. They are inventing the entire history from the ground up, beginning with Atlantis. They are saying the Ukrainians are an ancient people with 140 thousand years of history.

    https://i.postimg.cc/vHnGCdQY/Atlantis-History-of-Ancient-Ukraine.png

    Bitch, please.

    Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden). I have ancestors from all of these groups.
     
    Your family legend is a legend you fools tell each other.

    And these genetic testing companies are making a load of money on fools like you. At best what one can learn about himself in reality is which haplogroups he belongs to.

    ‘It made me question my ancestry’: does DNA home testing really understand race?
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/11/question-ancestry-does-dna-testing-really-understand-race

    Mongrel families such as yours are the first clientele of these scammers – idiots, looking for some noble genes. You wouldn't need it if you really had any.

    The transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.
     
    The conquest of Ukraine. The land where is now Ukraine is the Russian land, and it was liberated from the Polish and Lithuanian occupiers. The Russians should have expelled the fake people called the Ukrainians from there together with the Poles.

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.
     
    Yes it was.

    And then it wasn't.

    There is nothing to compare – the Russians went on to become one of the most sophisticated people on earth, and the Poles as well as the Lithuanians degraded. The Ukrainians are not even close to the latter two, let alone to the Russians.

    Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.
     
    Even if Dostoevsky’s father was born in Ukraine – which he wasn't, because there were no Ukraine – even then Dostoevsky himself would still be a Russian, because he was born in Moscow, and his father was a Russian living in what is now Ukraine, but then wasn't.

    He was a Russian, spoke Russian, wrote in Russian.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing “Ukraine”. Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?
     
    What a dumbass.

    Ukraine was still a province of the Polish-Lithuanian state in the 17th century. Of course there was a Polish map of Ukraine.

    No, [Most cities in Ukraine were built by the Russians] only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside.
     
    Let's check it out.

    Uzhhorod – the historical name of the city is Hungarian, Ungvár. Chernivtsi – the name Cernăuți is first attested in a document by Alexandru cel Bun. A Romanian town.

    Ternopil – the city was founded in 1540 by Polish commander and Hetman Jan Amor Tarnowski, as a military stronghold. Ivano-Frankivsk – Stanisławów was founded as a fortress and was named after the Polish hetman Stanisław "Rewera" Potocki.

    The city of Lviv was founded in 1250 by King Daniel of Galicia. Lutsk is an ancient Slavic town, mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle as Luchesk in the records of 1085 – a Russian town.

    Rivne was first mentioned in 1283 in the Polish annals "Rocznik kapituły krakowskiej" as one of the inhabited places of Halych-Volhynia.

    Khmelnytskyi – the earliest known mention in historical sources was in 1431, when it was known as Płoskirów and was part of the Kingdom of Poland.

    Zhytomyr was one of the prominent cities of Kievan Rus' – a Russian town. Vinnytsia – a Lithuanian fortress. Bila Tserkva – founded in 1032, the city was named Yuriiv by Yaroslav the Wise, whose Christian name was Yuri – a Russian town.

    The first record about Cherkasy dates from 1305 in the Gustynskiy Chronicle, which is the Kyivan Rus chronicle – a Russian town. Chernihiv was first mentioned in the Rus'–Byzantine Treaty – i.e. a Russian town.

    On May 8, 1775, after the end of the Russian-Turkish War, Russian authorities established Kryvyi Rih as a staging post, in 1860 the village was designated a township.

    Dnipro – the original town of Yekaterinoslav was founded in 1777, the city was named in honor of the Russian Empress Catherine the Great. Zaporizhzhia – until 1921 the city bore the name of Aleksandrovsk after the name of a fortress that formed a part of the Dnieper Defence Line of the Russian Empire.

    Poltava – the present name of the city is traditionally connected to the settlement Ltava which is mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle in 1174. An old Russian town.

    Sumy – in 1656–58 at the site of Sumyn early settlement, under the leadership of Muscovite voivode K. Arsenyev, there was built a city-fort that consisted of a fort and a town.

    Kharkiv – mentioned in The Tale of Igor's Campaign. An old Russian town.

    There are no cities in what is now Ukraine, founded by the Ukrainians. There had not been a people called Ukrainians before the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth era. There had not been a language called Ukrainian before the late 17th century, and even then it was not considered a language yet.

    The Ukrainian people are a young ethnos, about 300 years old, formed in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

    The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians.
     
    The logic of a monkey, how cute – it counts population.

    Count the soldiers, fool.

    Stupid, silly ape.

    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary. I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.
     
    No it took two posts for you to explain that you were guessing. You were asked to explain how you had arrived to that number. You didn't want to admit that you were either guessing or calculating it wrongly, using percentages or something like that.

    The same as you are doing it again below, though it isn't what was asked of you.

    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still “thinks” that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm.
     
    What a dumbass.

    Read again,

    You are the one who was insisting that the test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.
     
    Yes, you were pushing the idea that the questions were selected and created for various local versions of the test in such a way, that the average result would produce a score of 100 in a given country, and it took me a very long paragraph to explain to a retarded moron like you, what the norms are and how it really works.

    You were saying that the questions for smarter countries were made more difficult, in order to lower the average score and make it fit to the scale.

    You are a complete idiot.

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.

    Even now you still don't understand that.

    I did it 2 days before you did. [Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.] I don’t need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I’d estimate 89, 118, and 110.
     
    You are not asked to provide an inaccurate or accurate estimate, you were asked to prove that you are capable to figure out how to scale the PISA score to the IQ standard correctly. You are showing that you haven't figured out how to do that, though it's basic arithetic.

    The answer should be exact – 87.7, 118.7, 109.9, and that's not what you estimate based on proportions, percentages or anything else.

    The last chance. You need to scale these numbers from mean 500 deviation 100 to mean 100 deviation 15, and it's really simple. You only need to figure it out, it's basic arithmetic.

    Here are the new numbers – 342, 504 and 698.

    Prove you are not that stupid. A child can do this.

    Replies: @AP

  135. @AP
    @Beckow


    Your numbers are made up and lack context. More people from Donbas went to Russia when they still could,
     
    Not from the part of Donbas that was part of Ukraine until February 2022.

    and the “10%” nonsense is right there with your infamous “only 2% of Ukrainians are now pro-Russian”
     
    It is a good reflection of your own servility that you find it shocking that only 2% of a country has positive feelings towards the country that bombs and kills them.

    I see that you want the girl and her family gone
     
    I have no opinion of whether she should stay or go. If she chooses to stay she should abide by the laws of the majority of the population; if she doesn't like them she should be free to leave.

    Do you think it's better if 90% of a place's population leaves or if 10% leaves? Let's see if you refuse to answer that question. I suspect you will.

    Or alternatively, she can abandon her native language and keep her mouth shut.
     
    Don't lie as usual. There is plenty of Russian being spoken in Ukraine, including by soldiers who are fighting against the invading orcs. But most of Ukraine's people support having Ukrainian as the only state language and the language of the schools. Even most Russian-speakers in Ukraine support this.

    Given those choices, we shouldn’t be surprised that Donbas population in general fights like hell
     
    Are they?

    What happened to your previous willingness to let them go and secede?
     
    I was happy with the February 24 border. This placed the majority ethnic Russian parts out of Ukraine. Ukraine was better off without them. After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad. But you disagree, because you are a bad person.

    If in the extremely unlikely (but slightly possible) chance that Ukraine recovers all of the Donbas or even Crimea (even less likely), I would not be opposed to the Russians there experiencing what the Sudeten Germans did after World War II. I would have opposed that fate before this war, but brutal invasions have consequences.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad.

    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”. Lisichansk – the same. Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports, the demo against ‘occupants’ attracted a puny crowd of a few hundred.

    But I get your point: there are definitely areas where the local population is not pro-Russian and even some where people are violently anti-Russian. It is just that your silly “numbers” – 10%, or 2% – are unverifiable, likely way off, and not supported by other data we have.

    You can’t poll in the middle of the war. We simply don’t know, and I suspect majority of Ukrainians also don’t know precisely where they stand. When the war is over we will find out. Until then, the only hard data we have are pre-war elections and censuses. And the ad-hoc testimonies from both sides that may or may not be representative.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity. That’s why winning is now all that matters.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European. Even if they would be only 10% – and they are not – minority and linguistic rights in Europe are not based on percentages: any ethnic group that has its own language and culture MUST HAVE those rights. Even if there would be only 10k of them. But you are not a European and never will be so telling you this is a waste. That’s why rump-Ukraine (no matter how small) will not be in EU. You need to choose: nationalist hysteria and hatred, or Europe. It is one or the other.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”.
     
    In 2002 the city was 44% Russian but after 2014 it dropped to 33% Russian (in Donbas, many Russians moved to Russia or Donetsk after 2014).

    If around 10% of the city's 440,00 people supported the Russian invasion, this would represent around 44,000 people. So one could easily find a few hundred of these people for a pro-Russian demonstration.

    Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports
     
    Apparently those are necessary to get money and stuff. Out of 300,000, other than a few thousand most of the population refused to get Russian passports despite the hardships associated with such refusal.

    This was one of the pro-Ukrainian protests in occupied Kherson. Eventually the Russian occupiers shut them down. You can see the number of people at about :58. Probably over a thousand:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VHofo8l-Ik

    Contrast with the pro-Russian demonstration in Kherson, where despite strong encouragement by the authorities and a well-funded stage, only perhaps a hundred or so showed up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhP0laVKZ4

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity.
     
    Are Russians popular in Kherson?

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European
     
    Are Russians popular in Europe?

    You have been desperately trying to convince us that Europe is always on an anti-Russian crusade but now you claim that Ukraine's policies that Russian nationalists don't like are "un-European."

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

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  136. @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Ukraine would need a hundred HIMARS rocket artillery systems (with concomitantly massive amounts of ammunition for them) to stop the Russian army now. There would be no telling how Putin would react to that level of supply, which why the West is not going to do it. Ukraine is going to be slowly driven back and Western weapons will be forthcoming in such quality and quantity to to keep them thinking they are on the verge of getting full support, which will never come. Eventually Ukraine will agree to settle after losing about half its territory and a hundred thousand men killed.

    Could happen, unless there’s a strong civilian revolt with the backing of some influential others.

  137. @Ron Unz
    The power of Twitter. The Tweet was sent out earlier this morning but has already been Retweeted more than 2,000 times, while the video clip has been viewed more than 110K times:

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @A123, @Peripatetic Commenter, @bombthe3gorgesdam

    jew sachs confirms jew unz’s theory, based on “smoking gun evidence” from of jew israel that goy pompeo and/or goy bolton launched a goy american biowarfare attack against the innocent, unsuspecting chinese in the form of covid. who could doubt it?

    what we’re actually witnessing is the treason of jewish americans signaling to the chinese, whom they view sympathetically as fellow high iqers whom nature has made fit to rule relatively dumb white goyim, that they are willing to cut a deal and throw their fellow goy americans under the bus if the chinese allow them to maintain their privileged and moneyed ruling-class position in american society.

    the polish nobility (szlachta) cut a similar deal with the jews, allowing the jews to lord it over and violently extract resources from the polish peasantry as long as the jews gave a large share of their ill-gotten gains to the polish nobility.

  138. @German_reader
    @songbird

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

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    Wish I had people to do my gruntwork.

    [MORE]

    Found something today so good that I’d seriously think about writing it up and submitting it to a journal, at least, if I could find primary sources that bear it out, and if I knew how to write up such things formally.

    What is my source you ask? A wiki page about a person I never heard of before today, and which mentions a place I never heard of before today either. With the most important notes for my purposes being ones that don’t link to actual books. Might even be local legend, but otherwise it is very specific and contains nearly the whole story, to which I would only add a small piece, which seems staggeringly obvious.

    Anyway, I might just be a loon, but if I turned out to be right about this, I’d probably reflexively punch anyone who badmouthed wikipedia out of nationalistic feelings and habit, for the rest of my life.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  139. @S
    @songbird


    ..like the climax in the post-apocalyptic novel Lucifer’s Hammer, in which sensible people mount a last ditch defense, trying to protect the last surviving nuclear power plant against a cannibalistic group of multicult atomophobes, trying to destroy it.
     
    Without having read the novel, that sounds a bit reminescent of The Road Warrior. I imagine they were careful to have plenty of differentiation, though. Cool title.

    https://youtu.be/i2gVXd7FzhQ

    Replies: @songbird

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don’t really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don’t really evoke Gibson’s character.

    It’s a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don’t mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer’s_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I’ve been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys’ team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.

    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?

    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird

    Yeah, it's different. I'd never heard of it before. He had good timing publishing it in 1977. If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    I'd suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the 'pro-technology' aspect of the book might turn some people off of it, though she liked the story overall.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Wielgus
    @songbird

    Men were strangled first although there was also another small concession to humanity in England, which was to attach a bag of gunpowder to the body of the condemned. It might be attached to the waist or in a less merciful variant, to the neck. Once the fire reached the bag it would detonate, killing the condemned. Sometimes however the bag of gunpowder was wet, due to bad storage in England's rainy climate and it did not explode. There were some slow burnings under Mary in the summer of 1556, a year when the summer months were wetter than usual.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    When I read Lucifer's Hammer in high school it was a world view changing experience that I have never forgotten. I was never tempted to go back to it and see if it holds up though. And I forgot if it was a comet or an asteroid and I don't remember the writer's name.

    A 2 years older guy from the computer room loaned it to me. I heard later that he turned out to be the fastest typist anybody had ever seen.

  140. I should like to put Dmitry to the test and see whether he can tell an MP3 from a FLAC, by ear, in a doubleblind experiment.

  141. @Sean
    @AP

    Science has replaced religion as the plausible lying is concerned, It is really the international scientific community--worried about a backlash ban against all research--that is trying to cover up what was in all probability some kind of a lab leak in Wuhan that implicates the US for funding the work that should not have been done. A Wuhan lab leak of a natural virus is the most likely explanation. Accidental release of an Gain Of Function or other virologic techniques engineered virus is a secodary contender. You have to look at the propinquity of the labs working with bats and theri viruses in Wuhan, not just the big French built one but the CDC one that was a few football field away from the seafood market and had moved their a very short time before the outbreak. Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    By my way of thinking a bioweapon attack is extremely unlikely because it it not obviously true that China can overtake the United States, or that an act of was such as a bioweapon attack would required, certainly not that it be done with a virus that predictably caused a global pandemic. Hypothetically, say someone, necessarily with with the relevant level of expertise, was told to design and create a novel coronavirus pathogen, why would he not remark that it would cause a worldwide pandemic if released? Why would someone like Pompeo at the top of the conspiracy assume that the pathogen was only going to be transmitted between Chinese human beings when he did not specify that property for the pathogen when commissioning the creation of it?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html

    Of course I read that 2021 article in the NYT, along with the many far more substantial articles I’d read on the subject. Her piece warranted only very brief remarks:

    In late June, Zeynep Tufekci, one of their opinion columnists, published a 5,500 word article harshly criticizing China and arguing that the global epidemic had probably been the consequence of a Chinese lab-leak. Prof. Tufekci’s field of study was sociology rather than the biological sciences and her expertise lay in social media, but the appearance of her long piece surely reflected a seismic shift in the views of her top editors.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-alleged-wuhan-lab-leak-and-its-scientific-skeptics

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ron Unz

    So in your opinion it is not a pertinent piece of information that the 1977 influenza pandemic was certainly a lab leak of a sample from 1955. Nor is the many other lab leaks pathogens inccluding of Coronaviruses. The Wuhan institute quietly changing the name of a virus they had samples of that is was a relative of the Covid pathogen, and asking the American CD to take down public information about other viruses they had worked on bespeaks innocence? . Bat lady saying that the risks of working with bat coronaviruses were low and safety measure could be relaxed (she said this publicly including in TED talk) and the Wuhan CDC field sampler of bats talking about how he was getting doused in bat excrement and urine and even bitten on expeditions; none of that was salient?

    Sachs talks about the Covid pandemic having “came out of US lab biotechnology. Not came out of a US lab. Big difference. And it fits Wuhan which was using techniques Baric taught them.

  142. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong.
     
    I left the thread because moderation took a while on that blog and the article was old. So I have proven you wrong here:

    1. Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers.

    2. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state (army, laws, own supreme ruler on its territory).

    You had nothing to contradict it, so you brought up some old discussion which I left because one had to wait for moderation and it was an old article.

    "You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this."

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords
     
    Sharikov thinks everyone is as immoral and as debauched as Soviets like his Soviet ancestors.

    when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.
     
    Sharikov believes fairytales that he was taught. That was a myth used by later writers.

    Your ancestors were bastards.
     
    Sharikov tries to bark, again.

    No, my people were not immoral Soviet savages.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs. Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden, interestingly). Occasionally commoners were ennobled for some service, such as in battle. I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    The Magnates in Ukraine were largely Rurikids and other Rus, and some Slavicized Lithuanians.

    Now Sharikov will regurgitate Soviet historical myths and will have them corrected:

    "There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites."

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.
     
    Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was a Rurikid prince, his conversion to Catholicism from Orthodoxy as an adult did not erase this fact. He was the legitimate ruler of the Ukrainian lands, not some partially-Tatar Muscovite. He built numerous towns in Ukraine.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.
     
    The Rus lands were controlled by indigenous Rus princes from families such as Ostrogski, Wiśniowiecki and Sapieha. They not only controlled their own lands but steered the Eastern policy of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. An ignorant Sharikov such as you just believes the fairytales fed into your poor head, about some kind of foreign rule. Lol.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well.
     
    Khmelytsky committed treason, allied with the Tatars and split the PLC. Muscovites took advantage of this internal problem. Ukraine has suffered as a result of Khmelnytsky's treason.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin
     
    Indeed, the transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    "The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky."

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.
     
    Sharikov thinks something else. Cute. The beauty of places such as Krakow, Zamosc, Lviv, the churches and palaces, contradict your claim.

    Here is a chart from this blog of numeracy over the years; there is no data for mass literacy but this is a good stand-in for it:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/historical-numeracy-russia-poland-ukraine.png

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    The Hetmanate, particularly its earlier years, was the child of the PLC. Contrast Mazepa as described in French diplomat Jean Baluse's memoirs:

    “At his court he has two German doctors, with whom he converses in their tongue; to the Italian masters of whom there are several in the castle, he speaks in the Italian language. I spoke with the master of Ukraine in the Latin language, inasmuch he assured me that he was not very fluent in French…I do not know if this statement of his concealed a special motive, for I myself saw French and Dutch newspapers in his study.”

    With Peter's court as described by Danish envoy Just:

    “Prince Menshikov, a figure second to the tsar, could neither read nor write. Chancellor Golovkin knew no language but Russian; not a single one of the tsar’s dignitaries could speak Latin, with the exception of Musin-Pushkin, who was fluent in that language. Even Tsar Peter, whose ‘enlightenment’ was widely known, spoke only one Western European language, namely Dutch, and even here the tsar had difficulty in making himself understood.”

    Just described how all of the teachers at the Moscow gymnasium were either Ukrainians or Byelorussians (“Orthodox from Poland”).

    The ordinary monks in the Pecherska Lavra spoke fluently with him in Latin. He was greatly surprised to see the Ukrainian peasants in many villages going to church with prayer books, suggesting that they were literate.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian
     
    A quick google search indicates that he wrote a letter in Ukrainian to his fiend Josef
    Bohdan Zaleski (a Polish Ukrainophile) in 1837, signed with the Ukrainian-language version of his name (Mykola).

    "Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian."

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map
     
    Dostoyevsky's father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian, like Gogol the product of the PLC.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing "Ukraine":

    https://i.imgur.com/h5mzLhT.png

    Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?


    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians.
     
    No, only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside. And those Russians who had founded those towns, had nothing to do with Sovoks like you, Sharikov. Your ancestors' team killed them all or drove them into exile when you stole their properties.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

     

    Only your Soviet nation is artificial, Sharikov. The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians. If there were only half as many Ukrainians as there are Russians, Ukrainians would probably be on the way to taking Moscow by now.

    :::::::::::::

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed,
     
    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary, Sharikov.

    You had actually believed that your sample in which 20% were very smart Muscovites was a valid representation of the Russian average IQ when in reality smart Muscovites were only 10% of the Russian population and a sample of 20% Muscovites would skew the results upward.

    I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    My guess was 100.5. The number you calculated after 2 days or whatever, was 100.4.

    Sharikov is slow.

    You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.
     
    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still "thinks" that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm. So an American with an IQ of 100 has the mean IQ for the USA, it would be lower if he took a Canadian test.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t.
     
    I did it 2 days before you did.

    I don't need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I'd estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended."

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.
     
    They were not expected to be homeless. The place where they lived full time became theirs, as with everyone else. It was no different, except the place was nicer because they were more important.

    However the entire system was based on theft, and everyone involved including your ancestors shared in that theft and murder. In Poland they are returning properties to the pre-Communist owners or compensating them if doing so is impossible. Russia doesn't do the same - why would they, because post-90s Russia is a purely Soviet creation.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Here Be Dragon

    You should take some pride in knowing that the “Sharikov” model is the newest and most advanced Russian troll developed and put into production. Still, he doesn’t seem to be doing very well. His sole objective is to try and take you down, which means that you must be considered to be quite important on somebody’s top ten list. I think if they keep developing such models, they might start to approach your acuity in another 10 to 12 generations. Maybe in another 25 years? I think that you’ll be fully retired by then…

    I think that kremlinstoogeA123 is an experimental model taking correspondence school courses. He should be done with a diploma in about 6 months – he seems to be a quick study. 🙂

  143. For anyone interested, after a day or two the short clip of Jeffrey Sachs’ remarks on the origins of Covid has now been retweeted more than 9,000 times producing over 800,000 views of the video.

    I think those are the sorts of metrics that Donald Trump or Elon Musk might get on Twitter, and I’ve just released a new column about his potentially important development:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/9000-retweets-and-800000-video-views/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions. It’s like with hired killers: you can find the killer, but that does not necessarily lead you to his/her employer.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though). However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Ron Unz

  144. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...After February 24th the Russians started grabbing territory where the majority of the population did not want to be part of Russia. This is bad.
     
    Let's see: Mariupol - people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as "liberation". Lisichansk - the same. Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports, the demo against 'occupants' attracted a puny crowd of a few hundred.

    But I get your point: there are definitely areas where the local population is not pro-Russian and even some where people are violently anti-Russian. It is just that your silly "numbers" - 10%, or 2% - are unverifiable, likely way off, and not supported by other data we have.

    You can't poll in the middle of the war. We simply don't know, and I suspect majority of Ukrainians also don't know precisely where they stand. When the war is over we will find out. Until then, the only hard data we have are pre-war elections and censuses. And the ad-hoc testimonies from both sides that may or may not be representative.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity. That's why winning is now all that matters.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European. Even if they would be only 10% - and they are not - minority and linguistic rights in Europe are not based on percentages: any ethnic group that has its own language and culture MUST HAVE those rights. Even if there would be only 10k of them. But you are not a European and never will be so telling you this is a waste. That's why rump-Ukraine (no matter how small) will not be in EU. You need to choose: nationalist hysteria and hatred, or Europe. It is one or the other.

    Replies: @AP

    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”.

    In 2002 the city was 44% Russian but after 2014 it dropped to 33% Russian (in Donbas, many Russians moved to Russia or Donetsk after 2014).

    If around 10% of the city’s 440,00 people supported the Russian invasion, this would represent around 44,000 people. So one could easily find a few hundred of these people for a pro-Russian demonstration.

    Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports

    Apparently those are necessary to get money and stuff. Out of 300,000, other than a few thousand most of the population refused to get Russian passports despite the hardships associated with such refusal.

    This was one of the pro-Ukrainian protests in occupied Kherson. Eventually the Russian occupiers shut them down. You can see the number of people at about :58. Probably over a thousand:

    Contrast with the pro-Russian demonstration in Kherson, where despite strong encouragement by the authorities and a well-funded stage, only perhaps a hundred or so showed up:

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity.

    Are Russians popular in Kherson?

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European

    Are Russians popular in Europe?

    You have been desperately trying to convince us that Europe is always on an anti-Russian crusade but now you claim that Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    If around 10% of the city’s...
     
    Just stop at "if" - it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that "Russian support" (or sympathy) is 10%.

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.
     
    It is early, give it some time.

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.
     
    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find - wasn't there an infamous genocide by Hutus of Tutsi in 1990's Rwanda where something similar happened? You are again on thin ice...

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

     

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional 'misunderstanding' - but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies. That is different from the fact that some Europeans suffer from incurable Russo-phobia, mostly Poles, Balts, some Germans craving revenge, and of course Belgian pederasts. The minority protections are not nation-specific, they are universal.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true but it changes nothing about the law. In the long run hatred cannot be a basis for a policy.

    You are so desperate that you escape into hatred and hope that it will last long enough to do some nasty stuff to Russian (like in the Rwanda example). That EU will turn a blind eye. That is unlikely because Russia is too strong and EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    Countries have done that before and disappeared - Kiev is in the process of doing it right now in front of our eyes and we all see how sad a spectacle it is...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LMAO, when a fantasist nutjob scumbag bimbo as yourself who knows absolutely NOTHING about this part of the world, has never visited it, has no connection to these people or understanding of their mentality or knows even 1 square centimeter of this land .......starts writing yet more attentionwhore nonsense about it!


    Contrast with the pro-Russian demonstration in Kherson, where despite strong encouragement by the authorities and a well-funded stage, only perhaps a hundred or so showed up:

     

    Victory Day on May 9th (the number 1 public holiday in Russia)was extremely well supported in Melitopol, in Kherson, in liberated parts of Kharkov, in Berdyansk you cursed-in-hell retard,
    There was also f**k-all "resistance" in the form of commemorating it on May 8th , changing the name and using the western poppy symbol in place of the St,George ribbon you idiot. The fascist authoritarian Kiev regime have tried to make this change over the last 8 years, but as seen in Kherson and other places.........failed miserably

    As for the video, I refuse on point of principle to watch your retarded fake videos, but judging by the stillimage - the colours of the balloons indicate "Russia Day" was the holiday - a holiday in June that has no relevance in time of Soviet Union , its a holiday with no cultural significance (Unlike Womans day, or Victory Day) in Russian or general soviet consciousness you bimbo dumbfuck, because its a Yeltsin-ite holiday which effectively commemorates the end of union with Russia or the end of the Soviet Union . It's just a holiday to relax in the sun, go to the park or children in school to do some collage in tribute to it in the proceeding week. Basic understanding of things goes to the trash when a fantasist clown as yourself starts with the instantaneous BS.

    So a holiday none of them have ever celebrated before, on a Monday , of a country they have not officially even joined yet, in an active war situation , at risk or shelling by the Ukronazis, that Russians are not too bothered about......in which a dumb, corrupt retard as yourself has been clueless to notice that Victory Day was well celebrated.


    Are Russians popular in Kherson?

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.
     
    LOL - all businesses being swiftly integrated into Russian supply chains, huge queues for passports, and a very willing population, there has been extremely little "resistance" in all liberated places.

    Ukraine is a terrorist state, and the pussies and failures and sadists that define the oxymoronic Ukrainian "nationalist" only seem to be capable of terrorism , so contrast this little sabotage activity with the Kiev regime's own murder in ukrop terroritory of many Russian dissidents - .3 Chechen terrorists, Pavel Sheremet, Voronyenkov, the fake killing of Babchenko
  145. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don't really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don't really evoke Gibson's character.

    It's a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don't mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I've been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys' team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9c/cc/10/9ccc10f0ad2a80e424eb687605fc6296.jpg

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.


    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?
     
    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

    Replies: @S, @Wielgus, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeah, it’s different. I’d never heard of it before. He had good timing publishing it in 1977. If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    I’d suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the ‘pro-technology’ aspect of the book might turn some people off of it, though she liked the story overall.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    Pournelle and Niven had some great collaborations. IMO, The Mote in God's Eye is easily one of the best sci-fi novels ever written. A few times they teamed up with a third guy, how's that even possible?


    If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.
     
    Good point. I listened to an Asimov speech where he was talking up nuclear energy before a college crowd, and I wonder if he would have done that afterward.

    I’d suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the ‘pro-technology’ aspect of the book might turn some people off of it
     
    Definitely the most significant by a wide margin. Might be a few other small parts. In the ending sequence, (spoilers), IIRC, the black astronaut hears a sonic boom as military jets from some mountain air force base survived and made contact with them. He says something like, "You may have the thunder, but we have the lightning."

    Read it years and years ago, but last year or the year before I read a book that happened to be mentioned in it, Conjure Wife, and I thought that was pretty good too. Very politically incorrect, but as I told Aaron B, I think he'd really like it.
  146. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/tR1hs2nP/Poop-throwing-ape.jpg

    Stupid Ukrainian ape.


    She has a Bachelor’s degree only. Her post contains various discredited ideas such as Gardner’s multiple intelligences theory. She is selling a product that claims to increase intelligence. A stupid Sharikov such as you bought her sales pitch.
     
    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true
     
    She referenced a real research, and it doesn't matter what degree she has.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.
     
    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia, where this faculty is called economics. Even in your shithole country it requires 128, according to your own reference.

    A shit for brain like you would be kicked out of there in a matter of a year.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor's licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    All apartments were not private during Soviet times. The elite ones too. In this case the elite apartment was obtained in the beginning of the 1980s, during Soviet times. It was privatized along with the rest of the apartments in the USSR about 10 years later.
     
    What an insolent piece of shit – telling me what was and what wasn't in my own country.

    My grandparents owned a private house in the city. One could own a house or an apartment during the Soviet times. You could not own an apartment in a social building, but could purchase an apartment in a cooperative building. And all detached houses were in private ownership.

    The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.
     
    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth – really, there's nothing unethical in this situation.

    You must not like investors who had good luck.
     
    That was not good luck. Your ilk destroyed the entire country, caused an immense economic crisis, and then bought out the national wealth for a fraction of the cost. You were the only ones who benefited from that.

    My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.
     
    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid, like you. They were the collective Sharikov, created by the collective Schwonder – peasant scum from Ukraine, put into positions of power. They should have never been given passports.

    My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.
     
    They weren't supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    Even a retard is supposed to understand that giving to a commie son of a bitch an apartment like that, in the historical centre of the capital, is corruption. Your commie family never deserved to even live in an apartment like that, let alone own it.

    Some of their peers became very rich. The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.
     
    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free. Excellent logic, doctor.

    Sovok Sharikov hates the Russian and Ukrainian people. He thinks that they needed to be ruled by brutal Bolsheviks in order to engage in the hard work of modernizing their country. While meanwhile everyone else modernized just fine without millions being killed.
     
    Everyone else didn't have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome. Everyone else didn't achieve as much as the Russians did. Even the US had not achieved as much as the Soviet people had.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined, the Soviet people sent a man into space fifteen years after that. Rebuilt their factories and built new homes for the people in twenty years.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    Didn’t take long for you to defend Stalinism. Your kind always do, in the end. Very predictable.
     
    Stalin was no different from Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible. Their methods were brutal, but their ahievements were great.

    The same as a person has to push himself in order to accomplish something very difficult, so has a nation. The resulting brutality is a side effect of such a high degree of consolidation, and of the effort applied.

    Russia under the Tsars was progressing fine and without mass murder. And every other country in Europe progressed fine with no mass murder necessary. But the excuse-maker for Stalin “thinks” that Russians and Ukrainians were such subhumans compared to other white people that they needed to be killed en masse in order to work hard and in order to achieve technological progress.
     
    You don't know even the basic facts of the Russian history, you ignorant Ukrainian idiot.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Before the revolution from 1845 to 1915 the average life expectancy in Russia was 30 years.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%. According to the 1939 Soviet Census, literate people were 89.7%. During the 1950s, the Soviet Union had become a country of 100% literacy.

    You are simply an ignorant Ukrainian fool.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation. Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades. And so did the Greeks. Don't forget about Hitler. And about Argentina and Chile.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation, and the Russian people had paid their debt a long time ago, despite all odds.

    Well, you called peasants “humanoid worms” didn’t you? Even though some kind peasants, not knowing the murderous viper in their presence, had gone fishing with you once.
     
    A person given a chance to make something better of himself has to take this chance. Those who prefer to spend their life digging the earth are humanoid worms. That's a metaphor, doctor – another concept unfamiliar to a dumbass like you.

    Hello.

    Replies: @AP

    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake. Congratulations.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia

    By all metrics except number of third worlders allowed in, Russia is inferior to the USA.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.

    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason.

    Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs. Most of them are future nurses.

    You were too stupid to figure it out. Because of Soviet education?

    The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free.”

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free.

    Why not? Let’s compare.

    Homicide rate, USA, 1925: 8.3
    Homicide rate, Russia, 1995: 21.5

    It’s clear which soul was more sick.

    1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway.
    1990s Russia had Pelevin (ok he’s entertaining) and Sorokin.

    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome.

    Idiotic mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did.

    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor by the 1980s. And all for nothing, it ended in the 90s nihilism that only a people raised in Soviet values could do.

    Good job, Sharikov.

    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined,

    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people. After three years of fighting, the Tsar hadn’t let the Germans move east of Poland.

    I guess if Sovoks are proud of almost losing a war to a country with about half their population, they can be proud of slowly gaining some territory from Ukraine, another country with a shameful Soviet legacy, with 4.5 times smaller population than Russia.

    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.

    No, Soviets killed Russia’s Silver Age.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

    Sharikov thinks that life expectancy only increased in Russia and that no one else in the world accomplished this increase without Communism.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Portugal was 36 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Portugal 49 years.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Mexico was 29 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Mexico was 40 years.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico. By 1985, Mexico and Russia had the same life expectancy.

    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Revolutionary-patterns-of-education

    “According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent.”

    The rapid increase in Russian literacy began before the Bolsheviks took power. Their Revolution may have even interrupted the process. Next you will give the Bolsheviks credit for antibiotics and electrification. Or the appearance of airplanes. You are that stupid.

    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation

    Russia wasn’t consolidated until the Bolsheviks did it? Lol. What happened after only 70 years of Bolshevik rule?

    Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.

    I already taught you this Sharikov. You are too dumb to learn though.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    Well, Britannica claims up to 10 million people, mostly civilians, died in the Russian Civil War:

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Russian-Civil-War/Foreign-intervention

    That’s 6.1% of the Russian Empire’s 1914 population.

    The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War.

    Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it’s an encyclopedia or something lol.

    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades

    Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship

    We have rowdy third worlders in our borders.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia and Belarus though:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    “In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)”

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Belarus 345/100,000 and Russia’s 325/100,000.

    with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation

    And future, and future. The world will be worse off if America’s debt is defaulted than will be the USA.

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    “The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation.”

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth

    Because your entire country was based on theft, you Sharikov are incapable of understanding what actual theft is. Maybe that is why there was so much theft and crime in the 90s by Soviet people like you. When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    “My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes.”

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid

    If they were stupid despite some being members of the Academy of Sciences what does that tell you about Soviet education?

    They thought too highly of the Soviet people. They didn’t realize that a country of Sharikovs such as you would not do anything good with freedom.

    “My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit.”

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood? What would happen to the people in those regular neighborhoods? Moved to a worse place too?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake.
     
    Personal attack on her doesn't discredit anything. She referenced the book of J. McVicker Hunt, a prominent American academic.

    Hunt received a Ph.D from Cornell University in 1933. Hunt also completed postdoctoral fellowships at the New York State Psychiatric Institute and the Worcester State Hospital. He also received a D.Sc from Brown University.

    Hunt published over 100 research and theoretical papers, and was editor of the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology from 1950 and 1955.
     
    You cannot debunk anything here.

    The research showed that intelligence is not inherited but developed. The Ashkenazi and the Sephardi children raised in a Kibbutz had the same average IQ of 115, whereas in their natural environment had 105 and 85 on average.

    Russia is inferior to the USA.
     
    The crime rate and incarceration rate is a lot higher in the US. The external debt is a lot higher in the US. The higher education rate is a lot lower in the US.

    9.6 percent of the Americans don't have health insurance and can't afford health care, whereas in Russia health care is free.

    The external debt of the US is at 102 percent of the GDP, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 32 percent. The external debt of the US is at 60,5 thousand USD per capita, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 3,7 thousand USD per capita.

    The higher education rate in the US is 35 percent, whereas in Russia it's 54 percent.

    Russia is superior to the USA.


    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs.
     
    Repeating after me doesn't make you look smarter ape.

    Nowhere in that chart does it mention a Bachelor’s degree, don't make it up. The chart is for the average IQ of the faculties.

    Let’s compare. It’s clear which soul was more sick. 1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway. 1990s Russia had Pelevin and Sorokin.
     
    It’s clear that homicide rates correlate with the degree of economic and political crisis, ape. The US have never faced that kind of crisis. The resulting rise of crime during a crisis doesn't have anything to do with the people's soul.

    And even in the 90's the Russians were still producing world class art – Alexander Sokurov, Aleksei Balabanov. Though nothing on the level of the USSR of course.

    Mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.
     
    There were mistakes but not mass murder. The civil war is a war not a murder. The civil war in the US was even bloodier.

    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor.
     
    The reforms started in the 80's, the effect was felt in 1988. All that was happening is related to the dismantling of a great sovereign state, an artificial economic and political crisis.

    There were no people living in squalor in the USSR. There were no homeless people either.

    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people.
     
    You are too stupid to discuss that, but bear in mind that the Axis power countries were a lot stronger than the USSR, still recovering after the civil war.

    No, [The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war] Soviets killed Russia’s Silver Age.
     
    Mikhail Bulgakov, Dmitri Shostakovich, Maya Plisetskaya, Mstislav Rostropovich, Mikhail Sholokhov are a few examples of the people who created the great Soviet art of that era.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico.
     
    Mexico the same as Russia had a civil war at the time. Russia on top of the civil war was engaged in the World War.

    For a comparison it's better to take a look at other countries before the beginning of the World War. For example, life expectancy in the US in 1900 was 48, in the UK 46, and in Germany 43, and in Russia 30.

    Ten years afterwards, life expectancy in the US was 51, in the UK 52, and in Germany 47, and in Russia 32. Twenty years before that, in 1890, life expectancy in the US was 44, in the UK 45, and in Germany 40, and in Russia still 32.

    This clearly shows that situation with health care in Russia was catastrophic during the period before the revolution, and nothing was being done to improve that. Even a retarded son of a bitch like you is supposed to understand that.

    According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent.
     
    The definition of literacy before the revolution was being able to write your own name and sign a document. Apart from that, there is no statistical data regarding literacy rate in the 1914.

    The definition of literacy during the Likbez program in the USSR was reading, writing and arithmetic. There was no rapid increase documented, this data is made up.

    Britannica claims up to 10 million people died in the Russian Civil War. The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War. Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it’s an encyclopedia or something lol.
     
    You are a Ukrainian peace of idiot.

    Britannica is supposed to reference the statistics and it doesn't. The article itself is not a source, it's supposed to use a source and reference that source, the source of the data used in the article, dumbass.

    What a retard.

    Poor Spaniards, 200 000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.
     
    Learn to count, ape.

    Population of Spain during Franco was about 25 million, of the USSR during Stalin about 200 million.

    During the entire Stalin period 800 thousand people were executed.
    https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf

    That is 0.8 percent in Spain and 0.4 in the USSR.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia.
     
    No one cares.

    The US is a police dictatorship with the highest incarceration rate in the world. And it doesn't matter what percentage of the prisoners have what color of the skin.

    When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.
     
    Most people fool happened to live in the apartments corresponding to the average value of the product the people were producing.

    Except for the commie bastard families, who were placed in the elite buildings because they happened to be on the top of the commie food chain, and not for their merit.

    Therefore a doctor and a general manager of a huge plant like my grandparents didn't steal anything when they were given a small apartment in which they were living in private ownership, and a family of commie bastards, such as your family, were given a lot more than they were supposed to get.

    Had they been given a property of a comparable value the same as most people were given you would have been able to say that there was nothing unethical in that, and that would have been true.

    But they were given a fortune, taken from the people, for their connections and not for a merit.

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood?
     
    Of course, the entire building was supposed to be evicted. That building was a high value real estate, it was supposed to be sold, at the least. Or at the best it was supposed to remain what it had been and continue to be used as it has been – as an encouragement for the people doing important work for the government, free accommodation for those who are deserving that.

    Even corporations are doing that.

    Your logic can be extrapolated to the apartments of the ambassador families in London and elsewhere. Such apartments were not given to them forever.

    Replies: @AP

  147. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/
     

    I don't really disagree with the article, but there's nothing in it about what sort of peace deal would be offered by Russia now. If it's something like recognition of Crimea, referenda in Donbass on a district basis and Ukrainian neutrality (not precluding relations with the EU and maintenance of strong Ukrainian armed forces), I'd say Ukraine should take it, but my impression is nobody really knows if Russia's goals aren't vastly more expansive. Are the preliminary steps for annexation of Kherson and other territories merely meant to build up pressure for negotiations, or is Russia intent on annexing vast territories anyway?

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

     

    That may have been true in 18th/19th century Europe, but misses the ideological dimension to the West as it has evolved since WW1. When you think Putin belongs in a war crimes court, there's not really much scope for negotiation. I'm personally not a fan of that mindset, imo it's only going to make things worse, but it's a powerful factor.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @LondonBob

    Just dropping in (the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control) to share the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament, as a lot of things long argued over here are directly adressed. For someone so young and far from what he’s talking about, the quality and regularness of his output really has been impressive.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control
     
    Yea, there is still some of that, even though now mudslinging is quite pointless. Guns and missiles do the talking and will decide the outcome. Condolences to Banderites: they are going to lose again, like they did with their idol Hitler in WWII.
    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control
     
    I just scroll over certain comments, like the "discussions" between AP and that simian-obsessed Sovok. But occasionally one can still have interesting exchanges.

    the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament
     
    Thanks. I watched the first ten minutes, and he's completely correct that the present embarrassing state of the Bundeswehr dates only back to the 1990s. Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks. That's something many people abroad don't understand, leading to rather misleading arguments (like claiming the present state is due to WW2 trauma, also the "free riding" arguments so dear to a certain kind of American, which largely weren't true when there actually was a direct Soviet threat to West Germany).
    Will see if I get around to watch the rest, though tbh it's kind of depressing, like everything about Germany in the last 30 years.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sean

  148. @German_reader
    @LondonBob


    Being willfully ignorant again.

    https://www.readthemaple.com/yes-the-ukraine-war-could-have-been-prevented/
     

    I don't really disagree with the article, but there's nothing in it about what sort of peace deal would be offered by Russia now. If it's something like recognition of Crimea, referenda in Donbass on a district basis and Ukrainian neutrality (not precluding relations with the EU and maintenance of strong Ukrainian armed forces), I'd say Ukraine should take it, but my impression is nobody really knows if Russia's goals aren't vastly more expansive. Are the preliminary steps for annexation of Kherson and other territories merely meant to build up pressure for negotiations, or is Russia intent on annexing vast territories anyway?

    Anyway states are like crime families, they slaughter each other, then stop, and business as usual restarts.

     

    That may have been true in 18th/19th century Europe, but misses the ideological dimension to the West as it has evolved since WW1. When you think Putin belongs in a war crimes court, there's not really much scope for negotiation. I'm personally not a fan of that mindset, imo it's only going to make things worse, but it's a powerful factor.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @LondonBob

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @LondonBob


    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920
     

    Related - https://www.rt.com/russia/558321-rus-pivoting-toward-nonwest/

    Regarding what Petro, Doctorow and Trenin say, it's more a matter of the Western establishment at large breaking with Russia than the reverse. In turn, Russia feels it can weather the storm, as opposed to capitulating against its legitimate interests.

    It takes two to tango. Russia would've preferred not to be faced with this scenario. As for the matter of trust, the Kiev regime and its Western backers were the reluctant ones in having the Minsk Protocol implemented. In some instances, the Western establishment isn't shy when using sanctions to achieve an aim. The Kiev regime was never pressured into implementing the Minsk Protocol.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime was building its military near Donbass, while openly seeking NATO membership - something that Russia unsuccessfully attempted under Yeltsin and Putin. The Minsk Protocol was used as a delay tactic ploy, as recently acknowledged by the then Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

    Starting around the 1970s, the neocon mistrust of the UN is now something that Russia has experienced. In Russia's case, the "tyranny of the majority" primarily takes the form of the governments in Oceania, North America, the EU, along with Japan and South Korea.

    What was doable with the Minsk Protocol and the later Istanbul talks is now likely different from the eventual outcome.

    Replies: @Beckow

  149. @songbird
    @S

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don't really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don't really evoke Gibson's character.

    It's a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don't mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I've been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys' team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9c/cc/10/9ccc10f0ad2a80e424eb687605fc6296.jpg

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.


    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?
     
    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

    Replies: @S, @Wielgus, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Men were strangled first although there was also another small concession to humanity in England, which was to attach a bag of gunpowder to the body of the condemned. It might be attached to the waist or in a less merciful variant, to the neck. Once the fire reached the bag it would detonate, killing the condemned. Sometimes however the bag of gunpowder was wet, due to bad storage in England’s rainy climate and it did not explode. There were some slow burnings under Mary in the summer of 1556, a year when the summer months were wetter than usual.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wielgus

    Was a guy called Captain Swayne in Ireland. Around 1798, he used to pitch-cap people and add some gunpowder to the pitch. He was piked to death in his bed. Possibly, part of my mother's family lived within about a mile or two of the place - but that is a lot of division when you go back that far.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wielgus

  150. https://twitter.com/Khalsa_Ak47/status/1337924622688411649?s=20&t=4y_60Cq9rVi2eIDnPtUKpg

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sher singh

    I don't know if the idea that the Greens are only a problem in Germany is really true.

    You have these really weird anti-farming initiatives springing up in a lot of countries, where the idea seems to be to give up fertilizer and also kill all the livestock that could provide manure.

    I really think that there should be circumscribed personal consequences to thinking that is this socially destructive. At a minimum, there should be efforts to combat their hypocrisy - give them special meters that only put out when solar is generating, no offsets. Plan could be adopted in Hamburg, for relatively cheap, so that the idea of consequences enters into their social circles elsewhere.

    Also, their antiracism should be tested by housing them with the worst undesirables, according to what level of anti-racism and open-borders they profess.

    Replies: @sher singh

  151. @S
    @songbird

    Yeah, it's different. I'd never heard of it before. He had good timing publishing it in 1977. If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    I'd suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the 'pro-technology' aspect of the book might turn some people off of it, though she liked the story overall.

    Replies: @songbird

    Pournelle and Niven had some great collaborations. IMO, The Mote in God’s Eye is easily one of the best sci-fi novels ever written. A few times they teamed up with a third guy, how’s that even possible?

    If he had finished the book after Three Mile Island in 1979 he might not of got it published.

    Good point. I listened to an Asimov speech where he was talking up nuclear energy before a college crowd, and I wonder if he would have done that afterward.

    I’d suspect it was the nuclear power friendly part of the book the Yamamoto person was referencing at the Wiki entry when she said the ‘pro-technology’ aspect of the book might turn some people off of it

    Definitely the most significant by a wide margin. Might be a few other small parts. In the ending sequence, (spoilers), IIRC,

    [MORE]
    the black astronaut hears a sonic boom as military jets from some mountain air force base survived and made contact with them. He says something like, “You may have the thunder, but we have the lightning.”

    Read it years and years ago, but last year or the year before I read a book that happened to be mentioned in it, Conjure Wife, and I thought that was pretty good too. Very politically incorrect, but as I told Aaron B, I think he’d really like it.

  152. @Wielgus
    @songbird

    Men were strangled first although there was also another small concession to humanity in England, which was to attach a bag of gunpowder to the body of the condemned. It might be attached to the waist or in a less merciful variant, to the neck. Once the fire reached the bag it would detonate, killing the condemned. Sometimes however the bag of gunpowder was wet, due to bad storage in England's rainy climate and it did not explode. There were some slow burnings under Mary in the summer of 1556, a year when the summer months were wetter than usual.

    Replies: @songbird

    Was a guy called Captain Swayne in Ireland. Around 1798, he used to pitch-cap people and add some gunpowder to the pitch. He was piked to death in his bed. Possibly, part of my mother’s family lived within about a mile or two of the place – but that is a lot of division when you go back that far.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    John Merriman's Yale history courses on Europe and France are really great in spots. I forget which one covered Captain Swayne (maybe the one on Absolutism and the State?) but he is a fan. He claims it as a general rule that if the people are starving there will be riots. Captain Swayne is only in one lecture bet the general rule is in at least three.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3A8E6CE294860A24

    His comb-over bald head is epic.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Wielgus
    @songbird

    Swayne is a fairly rare example of a scumbag who got what was coming to him.

  153. @songbird
    @S

    Published in 1977, four years before Road Warrior. To my mind, the two things don't really evoke each other so much. Road Warrior, IIRC, is kind of vague on the cause of the apocalypse. LH is about a comet hitting earth. Its protagonists don't really evoke Gibson's character.

    It's a good story, you should read the wiki plot description, if you don't mind the spoilers:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer's_Hammer#Plot_summary

    I've been wanting them to turn it into a movie. Cut some of the PC stuff out (there is a black astronaut on the good guys' team), and put these guys in as part of the villains:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9c/cc/10/9ccc10f0ad2a80e424eb687605fc6296.jpg

    Along with some woke whites and political operatives, which is really not too far off from the plot, but has better aesthetics. It suppose they would just add more politically correct stuff today. Make it a solar farm, and the villains KKK members.


    Was it only the women of England who got the slight reprieve of being strangled first, before being burned, or, were the English men given that mercy as well?
     
    No idea about this, but it was an ecclesiastic court, so different from state authority.

    Replies: @S, @Wielgus, @Emil Nikola Richard

    When I read Lucifer’s Hammer in high school it was a world view changing experience that I have never forgotten. I was never tempted to go back to it and see if it holds up though. And I forgot if it was a comet or an asteroid and I don’t remember the writer’s name.

    A 2 years older guy from the computer room loaned it to me. I heard later that he turned out to be the fastest typist anybody had ever seen.

    • Thanks: songbird
  154. @sher singh
    https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1543796590762008576?s=20&t=4y_60Cq9rVi2eIDnPtUKpg

    https://twitter.com/Khalsa_Ak47/status/1337924622688411649?s=20&t=4y_60Cq9rVi2eIDnPtUKpg

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t know if the idea that the Greens are only a problem in Germany is really true.

    You have these really weird anti-farming initiatives springing up in a lot of countries, where the idea seems to be to give up fertilizer and also kill all the livestock that could provide manure.

    I really think that there should be circumscribed personal consequences to thinking that is this socially destructive. At a minimum, there should be efforts to combat their hypocrisy – give them special meters that only put out when solar is generating, no offsets. Plan could be adopted in Hamburg, for relatively cheap, so that the idea of consequences enters into their social circles elsewhere.

    Also, their antiracism should be tested by housing them with the worst undesirables, according to what level of anti-racism and open-borders they profess.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @songbird

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/256/507/902.jpg

  155. @songbird
    @Wielgus

    Was a guy called Captain Swayne in Ireland. Around 1798, he used to pitch-cap people and add some gunpowder to the pitch. He was piked to death in his bed. Possibly, part of my mother's family lived within about a mile or two of the place - but that is a lot of division when you go back that far.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wielgus

    John Merriman’s Yale history courses on Europe and France are really great in spots. I forget which one covered Captain Swayne (maybe the one on Absolutism and the State?) but he is a fan. He claims it as a general rule that if the people are starving there will be riots. Captain Swayne is only in one lecture bet the general rule is in at least three.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3A8E6CE294860A24

    His comb-over bald head is epic.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Agree on the hair.

    If you never read any other Pournelle (half the team), another book I'd really recommend is King David's Spaceship.

    Niven (other half of the team) is most famous for his Ringworld books. Haven't read as much of him, but he created one of the best alien races of all time, IMO:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson's_Puppeteers

  156. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    John Merriman's Yale history courses on Europe and France are really great in spots. I forget which one covered Captain Swayne (maybe the one on Absolutism and the State?) but he is a fan. He claims it as a general rule that if the people are starving there will be riots. Captain Swayne is only in one lecture bet the general rule is in at least three.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3A8E6CE294860A24

    His comb-over bald head is epic.

    Replies: @songbird

    Agree on the hair.

    If you never read any other Pournelle (half the team), another book I’d really recommend is King David’s Spaceship.

    Niven (other half of the team) is most famous for his Ringworld books. Haven’t read as much of him, but he created one of the best alien races of all time, IMO:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierson’s_Puppeteers

  157. @Ron Unz
    For anyone interested, after a day or two the short clip of Jeffrey Sachs' remarks on the origins of Covid has now been retweeted more than 9,000 times producing over 800,000 views of the video.

    https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1543259218995687424

    I think those are the sorts of metrics that Donald Trump or Elon Musk might get on Twitter, and I've just released a new column about his potentially important development:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/9000-retweets-and-800000-video-views/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions. It’s like with hired killers: you can find the killer, but that does not necessarily lead you to his/her employer.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though). However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda
     
    It is generally accepted now, although no longer widely publicised, that C19 was a very serious virus that caused a serious flu - it was a "flu" there is nothing diminishing about the term, the Spanish Flu was also called a flu.

    It impacted many elderly and already sick very badly, millions died. It also impacted fat people, viruses like fat. The vaccines were only marginally useful, the best case that can be made for them is that they eased C19 symptoms for some (not all) and lasted about 4-6 months. The long-term impact of massive vaccination is unknown - they were not properly tested before use. For younger or healthier people the cost-benefit trade-off for the vaccines for decisively on not taking them side. In spite of that, Western societies went into a hysterical over-drive to maximize even force the MRNA vaccines on everybody within reach, small children included.

    The origin of C19 would be good to know, but we may not be allowed to, it is too sensitive. That makes the reaction in the West a better topic to explore - and the reaction had to be connected to the origin on some level.

    The rolling propaganda campaigns that have overtaken the West (C19, Putin...) suggest that they are either getting desperate or have lost control and simply try to stall. Maybe the numbers behind the scene don't make sense any more and the status quo cannot continue. Or they became stupid due a lengthy disconnect from reality and misreading the recent history - that happened to some elites in the past. The latest Jeff Bezos' attack on Biden is refreshing - maybe saying that the emperor has no clothes will come from unexpected quarters.
    , @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions.
     
    Unlike yourself, I have no professional expertise in microbiology or virology, and hence haven't discussed those aspects of the Covid origins issue in my analyses. But I do think that the other evidence I've provided is close to overwhelming.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though).
     
    But America has had around 1.3 million "excess deaths" since the beginning of the epidemic, and only a small sliver have been homicides, suicides, or drug overdoses. By absolutely all available evidence, well over a million Americans died from Covid, and a disease that quickly kills a million Americans seems a lot worse than the flu to me, especially since they came despite unprecedented public health measures and the new vaccines. Excess deaths worldwide have been 15 to 20 million.

    Perhaps I'm just missing something. Given your own strong background in the biological sciences, I can't really understand your position, so please do enlighten me.

    However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.
     
    But that's simply a MSM issue. Whether or not the MSM reports something doesn't relate to whether it exists or not. The MSM is just totally corrupt and dishonest, so why would you cite the MSM coverage as evidence for something one way or the other?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  158. @AP
    @Beckow


    Let’s see: Mariupol – people were almost all Russians and videos showed them welcoming what they thought of as “liberation”.
     
    In 2002 the city was 44% Russian but after 2014 it dropped to 33% Russian (in Donbas, many Russians moved to Russia or Donetsk after 2014).

    If around 10% of the city's 440,00 people supported the Russian invasion, this would represent around 44,000 people. So one could easily find a few hundred of these people for a pro-Russian demonstration.

    Kherson: thousands have lined up to get Russian passports
     
    Apparently those are necessary to get money and stuff. Out of 300,000, other than a few thousand most of the population refused to get Russian passports despite the hardships associated with such refusal.

    This was one of the pro-Ukrainian protests in occupied Kherson. Eventually the Russian occupiers shut them down. You can see the number of people at about :58. Probably over a thousand:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VHofo8l-Ik

    Contrast with the pro-Russian demonstration in Kherson, where despite strong encouragement by the authorities and a well-funded stage, only perhaps a hundred or so showed up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGhP0laVKZ4

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    I think whoever wins and controls the territory will have a huge boost in popularity.
     
    Are Russians popular in Kherson?

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Your blase attitude toward the Russian population is very un-European
     
    Are Russians popular in Europe?

    You have been desperately trying to convince us that Europe is always on an anti-Russian crusade but now you claim that Ukraine's policies that Russian nationalists don't like are "un-European."

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    If around 10% of the city’s…

    Just stop at “if” – it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.

    It is early, give it some time.

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.

    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find – wasn’t there an infamous genocide by Hutus of Tutsi in 1990’s Rwanda where something similar happened? You are again on thin ice…

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional ‘misunderstanding’ – but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies. That is different from the fact that some Europeans suffer from incurable Russo-phobia, mostly Poles, Balts, some Germans craving revenge, and of course Belgian pederasts. The minority protections are not nation-specific, they are universal.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true but it changes nothing about the law. In the long run hatred cannot be a basis for a policy.

    You are so desperate that you escape into hatred and hope that it will last long enough to do some nasty stuff to Russian (like in the Rwanda example). That EU will turn a blind eye. That is unlikely because Russia is too strong and EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    Countries have done that before and disappeared – Kiev is in the process of doing it right now in front of our eyes and we all see how sad a spectacle it is…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.
     
    You give too much credit to the EU. Eurolemmings are running to the cliff, it’s hard to see what can stop them now. As current Russian joke puts it, the EU will have miserable life, but thankfully a very short one.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    If around 10% of the city’s…

    Just stop at “if” – it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.
     
    It's validated by polls, which you conveniently reject.

    No rational observer believes that “Russian support” (or sympathy) is 10%.
     
    Your claim. Even 10% support seems high, given that Russia is bombing and killing those people. But polls indicate around 10%.

    "Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now."

    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find
     
    Don't lie about "any Russian speaker they can find." The partisans there themselves speak Russian, as does most of the rest of the population.

    They are killing collaborators like this guy:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/24/russian-appointed-official-killed-blast-ukraine-occupied-kherson

    Russian-appointed official in occupied Kherson killed in blast

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional ‘misunderstanding’ – but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies.
     
    I've already explained to you that Ukraine follow the policies of EU members in the Baltics and France.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true
     
    What "temporarily?" You kept insisting that western Europe is on an eternal centuries-long crusade against Russia.

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    Replies: @Beckow

  159. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just dropping in (the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control) to share the latest video by "Perun" on German re-armament, as a lot of things long argued over here are directly adressed. For someone so young and far from what he's talking about, the quality and regularness of his output really has been impressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDUVtUA7rg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control

    Yea, there is still some of that, even though now mudslinging is quite pointless. Guns and missiles do the talking and will decide the outcome. Condolences to Banderites: they are going to lose again, like they did with their idol Hitler in WWII.

  160. @Beckow
    @AP


    If around 10% of the city’s...
     
    Just stop at "if" - it is your conjecture that cannot be validated and we disagree. Any conclusions you base on that are apriori unverifiable and therefore wrong. No rational observer believes that "Russian support" (or sympathy) is 10%.

    Czechs were more enthusiastic about German occupiers than Kherson people were about Russian ones.
     
    It is early, give it some time.

    Random partisans have started killing Russian activists there now.
     
    Basically criminals murdering any Russian speaker they can find - wasn't there an infamous genocide by Hutus of Tutsi in 1990's Rwanda where something similar happened? You are again on thin ice...

    Ukraine’s policies that Russian nationalists don’t like are “un-European.”

     

    When you lose an argument you escape into intentional 'misunderstanding' - but you must be aware of EU human rights and minority protection policies. That is different from the fact that some Europeans suffer from incurable Russo-phobia, mostly Poles, Balts, some Germans craving revenge, and of course Belgian pederasts. The minority protections are not nation-specific, they are universal.

    Your point is that since enough EU politicians hate Russia they will go easy on implementing their own laws or values that help Russians. That may be temporarily true but it changes nothing about the law. In the long run hatred cannot be a basis for a policy.

    You are so desperate that you escape into hatred and hope that it will last long enough to do some nasty stuff to Russian (like in the Rwanda example). That EU will turn a blind eye. That is unlikely because Russia is too strong and EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    Countries have done that before and disappeared - Kiev is in the process of doing it right now in front of our eyes and we all see how sad a spectacle it is...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.

    You give too much credit to the EU. Eurolemmings are running to the cliff, it’s hard to see what can stop them now. As current Russian joke puts it, the EU will have miserable life, but thankfully a very short one.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    I am more optimistic about EU: like all large territorial concoctions, EU is unstable but with a lack of an alternative it can go on and on. When the lemmings jump, many of us will be left behind. I see it as an opportunity...

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @AnonfromTN

    The State Department is Revd Jim Jones handing out the sanctions Kool-Aid, and the EU/UK are the People's Temple devotees gratefully glugging it down.

    One thing this shambles has done is shown up all the talk of "independent EU policy" as hot air.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

  161. @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

    Replies: @Mikhail

    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920

    Related – https://www.rt.com/russia/558321-rus-pivoting-toward-nonwest/

    Regarding what Petro, Doctorow and Trenin say, it’s more a matter of the Western establishment at large breaking with Russia than the reverse. In turn, Russia feels it can weather the storm, as opposed to capitulating against its legitimate interests.

    It takes two to tango. Russia would’ve preferred not to be faced with this scenario. As for the matter of trust, the Kiev regime and its Western backers were the reluctant ones in having the Minsk Protocol implemented. In some instances, the Western establishment isn’t shy when using sanctions to achieve an aim. The Kiev regime was never pressured into implementing the Minsk Protocol.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime was building its military near Donbass, while openly seeking NATO membership – something that Russia unsuccessfully attempted under Yeltsin and Putin. The Minsk Protocol was used as a delay tactic ploy, as recently acknowledged by the then Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

    Starting around the 1970s, the neocon mistrust of the UN is now something that Russia has experienced. In Russia’s case, the “tyranny of the majority” primarily takes the form of the governments in Oceania, North America, the EU, along with Japan and South Korea.

    What was doable with the Minsk Protocol and the later Istanbul talks is now likely different from the eventual outcome.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    It has all changed with the war and the sacrifices by both sides: Kiev would have to win the war to get back to Minsk. If they don't - as is almost certain - the settlement will be much harsher than the very mild Minsk deal.

    Russia has effectively disconnected from the West. That gives Western powers no ability to influence what Russia does. That was the fundamental strategic error: West went gung-ho and used all they had at the beginning. It didn't work as any half-smart economist could have told them. Now when they try to reach out to Russia (e.g. Macron) they have no threats left and can't offer any concessions - that leaves fighting the war to the end.

    The war is on Russia's home turf: the Western side has fewer weapons, worse logistics, and as manpower only temporarily insane Ukie nationalist and conscript fringe. It is not a strong place to be. An escalation would help, a change in scenery, bring in the Poles and Latvians, it could allow for a recalibration. But that is scary - it could really blow up, and it would hardly budge the unfavorable strategic position the West is in.

    They are still hoping that if the war stretches long enough maybe a coup or some other change will happen in Russia. With each day that seems less likely; countries consolidate when fighting a war, people close ranks when they are hated. The final settlement could be very unfavorable to Kiev - they will throw a temper-tantrum and pretend not to accept it. But what is new, Kiev has been in a temper-tantrum for years...

  162. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions. It’s like with hired killers: you can find the killer, but that does not necessarily lead you to his/her employer.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though). However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Ron Unz

    …how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda

    It is generally accepted now, although no longer widely publicised, that C19 was a very serious virus that caused a serious flu – it was a “flu” there is nothing diminishing about the term, the Spanish Flu was also called a flu.

    It impacted many elderly and already sick very badly, millions died. It also impacted fat people, viruses like fat. The vaccines were only marginally useful, the best case that can be made for them is that they eased C19 symptoms for some (not all) and lasted about 4-6 months. The long-term impact of massive vaccination is unknown – they were not properly tested before use. For younger or healthier people the cost-benefit trade-off for the vaccines for decisively on not taking them side. In spite of that, Western societies went into a hysterical over-drive to maximize even force the MRNA vaccines on everybody within reach, small children included.

    The origin of C19 would be good to know, but we may not be allowed to, it is too sensitive. That makes the reaction in the West a better topic to explore – and the reaction had to be connected to the origin on some level.

    The rolling propaganda campaigns that have overtaken the West (C19, Putin…) suggest that they are either getting desperate or have lost control and simply try to stall. Maybe the numbers behind the scene don’t make sense any more and the status quo cannot continue. Or they became stupid due a lengthy disconnect from reality and misreading the recent history – that happened to some elites in the past. The latest Jeff Bezos’ attack on Biden is refreshing – maybe saying that the emperor has no clothes will come from unexpected quarters.

  163. Germany’s trade balance is now negative!

    Is it true that a lot of the corn in Nebraska is stunted due to lack of fertilizer?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Don't know about Nebraska but I was hearing at planting time that some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    This is part of the potential weakness of the modern agribusiness approach. Soils are so bombed over by constant pesticide/ fungicide/ chemical fertilizer application that it is a rather dead growing medium. It is extremely dependent on heavy inputs because they are the only thing keeping the crops growing.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  164. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions. It’s like with hired killers: you can find the killer, but that does not necessarily lead you to his/her employer.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though). However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Ron Unz

    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions.

    Unlike yourself, I have no professional expertise in microbiology or virology, and hence haven’t discussed those aspects of the Covid origins issue in my analyses. But I do think that the other evidence I’ve provided is close to overwhelming.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though).

    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths” since the beginning of the epidemic, and only a small sliver have been homicides, suicides, or drug overdoses. By absolutely all available evidence, well over a million Americans died from Covid, and a disease that quickly kills a million Americans seems a lot worse than the flu to me, especially since they came despite unprecedented public health measures and the new vaccines. Excess deaths worldwide have been 15 to 20 million.

    Perhaps I’m just missing something. Given your own strong background in the biological sciences, I can’t really understand your position, so please do enlighten me.

    However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.

    But that’s simply a MSM issue. Whether or not the MSM reports something doesn’t relate to whether it exists or not. The MSM is just totally corrupt and dishonest, so why would you cite the MSM coverage as evidence for something one way or the other?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths”
     
    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”, which brought many billions in profits to “vaccine” manufacturers. I’ve seen Western media and state institutions like CDC lie for a lot less. The money was our tax money, so it’s a standard scheme to fleece the public, honed by weapons manufacturers for decades. Sudden “cure” is at least as suspicious as the origins of this virus.

    unprecedented public health measures
     
    The measures in the US (as opposed to China) were remarkably ham-handed. “Vaccination” was made mandatory (that’s where the profit is), but there was no push for a drug (while possibly effective ones were studiously ignored or bad-mouthed), the lockdowns were half-hearted, mostly damaging the economy, not the virus. Mandatory testing was medically stupid (you can’t detect the virus before it multiplies in the host, i.e., a day or two after the infection your test would be negative), but it enriched a lot of companies.

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

  165. @Mikhail
    @LondonBob


    We know what was on the table in Istanbul, I doubt much has changed.

    If the war goes on longer then I expect the Russian speaking areas will be given autonomy within the Ukraine, a Minsk Agreement for the Russian speaking areas, except imposed by force this time.

    https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/06/03/how-the-war-will-end/

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/building-lasting-settlement-ukraine-202920
     

    Related - https://www.rt.com/russia/558321-rus-pivoting-toward-nonwest/

    Regarding what Petro, Doctorow and Trenin say, it's more a matter of the Western establishment at large breaking with Russia than the reverse. In turn, Russia feels it can weather the storm, as opposed to capitulating against its legitimate interests.

    It takes two to tango. Russia would've preferred not to be faced with this scenario. As for the matter of trust, the Kiev regime and its Western backers were the reluctant ones in having the Minsk Protocol implemented. In some instances, the Western establishment isn't shy when using sanctions to achieve an aim. The Kiev regime was never pressured into implementing the Minsk Protocol.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime was building its military near Donbass, while openly seeking NATO membership - something that Russia unsuccessfully attempted under Yeltsin and Putin. The Minsk Protocol was used as a delay tactic ploy, as recently acknowledged by the then Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

    Starting around the 1970s, the neocon mistrust of the UN is now something that Russia has experienced. In Russia's case, the "tyranny of the majority" primarily takes the form of the governments in Oceania, North America, the EU, along with Japan and South Korea.

    What was doable with the Minsk Protocol and the later Istanbul talks is now likely different from the eventual outcome.

    Replies: @Beckow

    It has all changed with the war and the sacrifices by both sides: Kiev would have to win the war to get back to Minsk. If they don’t – as is almost certain – the settlement will be much harsher than the very mild Minsk deal.

    Russia has effectively disconnected from the West. That gives Western powers no ability to influence what Russia does. That was the fundamental strategic error: West went gung-ho and used all they had at the beginning. It didn’t work as any half-smart economist could have told them. Now when they try to reach out to Russia (e.g. Macron) they have no threats left and can’t offer any concessions – that leaves fighting the war to the end.

    The war is on Russia’s home turf: the Western side has fewer weapons, worse logistics, and as manpower only temporarily insane Ukie nationalist and conscript fringe. It is not a strong place to be. An escalation would help, a change in scenery, bring in the Poles and Latvians, it could allow for a recalibration. But that is scary – it could really blow up, and it would hardly budge the unfavorable strategic position the West is in.

    They are still hoping that if the war stretches long enough maybe a coup or some other change will happen in Russia. With each day that seems less likely; countries consolidate when fighting a war, people close ranks when they are hated. The final settlement could be very unfavorable to Kiev – they will throw a temper-tantrum and pretend not to accept it. But what is new, Kiev has been in a temper-tantrum for years…

    • Agree: Mikhail, Dnought
  166. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz
    @Sean


    Here is a level headed expert opinion that palls all the evidence together.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/25/opinion/coronavirus-lab.html
     
    Of course I read that 2021 article in the NYT, along with the many far more substantial articles I'd read on the subject. Her piece warranted only very brief remarks:

    In late June, Zeynep Tufekci, one of their opinion columnists, published a 5,500 word article harshly criticizing China and arguing that the global epidemic had probably been the consequence of a Chinese lab-leak. Prof. Tufekci’s field of study was sociology rather than the biological sciences and her expertise lay in social media, but the appearance of her long piece surely reflected a seismic shift in the views of her top editors.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-alleged-wuhan-lab-leak-and-its-scientific-skeptics

    Replies: @Sean

    So in your opinion it is not a pertinent piece of information that the 1977 influenza pandemic was certainly a lab leak of a sample from 1955. Nor is the many other lab leaks pathogens inccluding of Coronaviruses. The Wuhan institute quietly changing the name of a virus they had samples of that is was a relative of the Covid pathogen, and asking the American CD to take down public information about other viruses they had worked on bespeaks innocence? . Bat lady saying that the risks of working with bat coronaviruses were low and safety measure could be relaxed (she said this publicly including in TED talk) and the Wuhan CDC field sampler of bats talking about how he was getting doused in bat excrement and urine and even bitten on expeditions; none of that was salient?

    Sachs talks about the Covid pandemic having “came out of US lab biotechnology. Not came out of a US lab. Big difference. And it fits Wuhan which was using techniques Baric taught them.

  167. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    The origin of covid is important, but I can’t think of a way to prove it. Opinions are just that, opinions.
     
    Unlike yourself, I have no professional expertise in microbiology or virology, and hence haven't discussed those aspects of the Covid origins issue in my analyses. But I do think that the other evidence I've provided is close to overwhelming.

    You are ignoring another important aspect: how much of this covid scare was medically justified, and how much was propaganda (i.e., lies and blatant lies). I know that the virus exists and that it’s worse than usual flu (probably no worse than a bad case of flu, though).
     
    But America has had around 1.3 million "excess deaths" since the beginning of the epidemic, and only a small sliver have been homicides, suicides, or drug overdoses. By absolutely all available evidence, well over a million Americans died from Covid, and a disease that quickly kills a million Americans seems a lot worse than the flu to me, especially since they came despite unprecedented public health measures and the new vaccines. Excess deaths worldwide have been 15 to 20 million.

    Perhaps I'm just missing something. Given your own strong background in the biological sciences, I can't really understand your position, so please do enlighten me.

    However, unless you equate Putin with almighty god (which I don’t), the fact that Putin managed to “cure” the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine suggests that most of hullabaloo in Western “lugenpresse” was psycho-operation. Now presstitutes got another set of marching orders and switched to publishing BS about Russia-Ukraine conflict. Thus, they suddenly “forgot” about covid, which went the way of Darfur, hundreds of hospitals in Aleppo, Skripals, MH17, and other manufactured pure BS comrade Ogilvy-like “stories”.
     
    But that's simply a MSM issue. Whether or not the MSM reports something doesn't relate to whether it exists or not. The MSM is just totally corrupt and dishonest, so why would you cite the MSM coverage as evidence for something one way or the other?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths”

    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”, which brought many billions in profits to “vaccine” manufacturers. I’ve seen Western media and state institutions like CDC lie for a lot less. The money was our tax money, so it’s a standard scheme to fleece the public, honed by weapons manufacturers for decades. Sudden “cure” is at least as suspicious as the origins of this virus.

    unprecedented public health measures

    The measures in the US (as opposed to China) were remarkably ham-handed. “Vaccination” was made mandatory (that’s where the profit is), but there was no push for a drug (while possibly effective ones were studiously ignored or bad-mouthed), the lockdowns were half-hearted, mostly damaging the economy, not the virus. Mandatory testing was medically stupid (you can’t detect the virus before it multiplies in the host, i.e., a day or two after the infection your test would be negative), but it enriched a lot of companies.

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”
     
    There are the total number of deaths in America for the last few years:

    2014 2,626,418
    2015 2,712,630
    2016 2,744,248
    2017 2,813,503
    2018 2,839,205
    2019 2,854,838
    2020 3,389,858
    2021 3,469,634

    Deaths jumped by over a half-million in both 2020 and 2021, representing the "excess deaths." If you can't believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census? Maybe our total population is only 200 million rather than 330 million? Maybe there's no state of Wyoming and it's just a hoax.

    I'm really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).
     
    If it was done in a lab it could only have two goals:
    - use it to develop better protection against all corona viruses
    - a bioweapon.

    The first one is quite odd and illogical, but people have done more stupid things in science. As a bioweapon it is almost impossible to control and thus useless in geopolitics. Unless the targets were actually the people who were hit: elderly, sick and fat. Like in a bad James Bond movie...

    Most likely somebody was unnecessarily messing around because they were paid to do 'something', and because they could. And it escaped the lab, like Frankenstein except less visible...

    Replies: @Miro23

  168. @German_reader
    "Ambassador" Melnyk has been criticized by Poland:
    https://twitter.com/notesfrompoland/status/1542801764738539521
    He had appeared in a German tv show where some left-wing journo asked him about his admiration for Stepan Bandera. Melnyk didn't cave and defended Bandera. Impressive in a certain way, at least he's standing by his convictions. But also patently idiotic.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Greasy William

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don’t care enough to look it up. What’s Ukraine’s position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Greasy William


    Pelitrua or something?
     
    Petliura, I think. Maybe AP can tell us about present Ukrainian views of him, I don't really know that much myself.

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath
     
    I don't know, Ireland's war of independence and the subsequent civil war certainly involved many ugly episodes, but it seems to me it was fairly tame compared to events on the continent.
    And while Michael Collins came to a violent end himself, politically he was successful (even if Ireland today unfortunately seems to be rapidly throwing away his achievement). Whereas Bandera not only was someone who employed highly dubious means, he was also essentially a total failure.
    But maybe his cult will now fade due to the present war, which should give Ukraine some better heroes to worship.
    , @songbird
    @Greasy William


    Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

     

    He had a funny way of showing it. Why didn't he offer the South to spend all that money, manpower, and industrial capacity, on transporting them and reimbursing owners? Instead of subjugating and destroying people who actually had a culture where differences were recognized?

    If you ask me, he was full of it. Who was it, Harriet Beecher Stowe? Who said that she was for transporting them to Africa, after they had reached a state of civilization, and been educated to the point where they could look after themselves. She was obviously full of it. And she probably would have been even more full of it, if she understood how deadly tropical diseases in Africa were even for American blacks.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Petliura, I think.
     
    It was Symon Petliura. Petliura, like WWII mass murderers Bandera and Schuhevych, is considered a hero by current Kiev regime.

    Petliura was murdered in France in 1926 by Sholom Schwartzbard. Schwartzbard immediately confessed to killing (it is said by stating “I have killed an assassin”). At his trial he explained to the jury that Petliura forces summarily killed Jews in Ukraine, including his whole family, and that is why he killed Petliura. French jury accepted his argument and acquitted him.
    Even habitually lying Wiki has reasonably realistic account of these events (some would say because Schwartzbard was Jewish, while Petliura was an anti-Semit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartzbard_trial

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Gerard1234

    , @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William


    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI
     
    German and Austrian intelligence services.............and Vladimir Lenin of course.

    "nationalist" is completely the wrong word for this sadist, loser, worthless POS Peliura.
    Amusingly as part of central rada and then with his post-central rada criminal work - he and they deliberately did not include Galicia as a place they intended for inclusion into the fake nation of Ukraine (parts of Kursk and Voronezh- yes, but on western recognised borders of Ukraine in modern era, it was Crimea and Galicia -no). Yes Lvov/Galicia region is worthless sh*thole, but amusingly and paradoxically it is in the modern era the "home" of Ukrainian "nationalism" - despite being the historical reject of it.

    It's one of many inconsistencies and no nation can survive with this amount of nonsensical contradictions
  169. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    EU is smart enough not to stay in the self-defeating contradictory position for too long. If they do, they lose and there will be anyway no EU to aspire to.
     
    You give too much credit to the EU. Eurolemmings are running to the cliff, it’s hard to see what can stop them now. As current Russian joke puts it, the EU will have miserable life, but thankfully a very short one.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    I am more optimistic about EU: like all large territorial concoctions, EU is unstable but with a lack of an alternative it can go on and on. When the lemmings jump, many of us will be left behind. I see it as an opportunity…

  170. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths”
     
    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”, which brought many billions in profits to “vaccine” manufacturers. I’ve seen Western media and state institutions like CDC lie for a lot less. The money was our tax money, so it’s a standard scheme to fleece the public, honed by weapons manufacturers for decades. Sudden “cure” is at least as suspicious as the origins of this virus.

    unprecedented public health measures
     
    The measures in the US (as opposed to China) were remarkably ham-handed. “Vaccination” was made mandatory (that’s where the profit is), but there was no push for a drug (while possibly effective ones were studiously ignored or bad-mouthed), the lockdowns were half-hearted, mostly damaging the economy, not the virus. Mandatory testing was medically stupid (you can’t detect the virus before it multiplies in the host, i.e., a day or two after the infection your test would be negative), but it enriched a lot of companies.

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”

    There are the total number of deaths in America for the last few years:

    2014 2,626,418
    2015 2,712,630
    2016 2,744,248
    2017 2,813,503
    2018 2,839,205
    2019 2,854,838
    2020 3,389,858
    2021 3,469,634

    Deaths jumped by over a half-million in both 2020 and 2021, representing the “excess deaths.” If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census? Maybe our total population is only 200 million rather than 330 million? Maybe there’s no state of Wyoming and it’s just a hoax.

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    Deaths also rose from 2014 to 2019, by over 200k. We are saying that the C19 deaths were "over-stated", not that they were non-existent. The "excess deaths" could be less than a million if we account for the trend. Given the incentives it would be surprising if some C19 cases were not added to get those incentives - there are always border-line cases.

    We also need the numbers for 2022 and the next few years to see what portion of C19 were deaths that were accelerated. If the death rate drops below the long-term trend that would suggest that many of the C19 deaths were people who were terminally ill and C19 pushed them over earlier. Still tragic, but it does place the societal trade-offs in a different light.

    In Sweden at one point their chief medical officer said in a TV interview that "the average C19 victim had around 4 months to live sans catching C19". In Sweden the average age of C19 victim was close to 84 and majority were in old-people homes - so it could be a skewed comparison, but it highlights that C19 was not raging unchecked through younger healthier populations - who bore the main burden of shutdowns and controls and who may regret getting the MRNA shots that they clearly didn't need medically.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.
     
    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.

    If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census?
     
    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

  171. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    But America has had around 1.3 million “excess deaths”
     
    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”, which brought many billions in profits to “vaccine” manufacturers. I’ve seen Western media and state institutions like CDC lie for a lot less. The money was our tax money, so it’s a standard scheme to fleece the public, honed by weapons manufacturers for decades. Sudden “cure” is at least as suspicious as the origins of this virus.

    unprecedented public health measures
     
    The measures in the US (as opposed to China) were remarkably ham-handed. “Vaccination” was made mandatory (that’s where the profit is), but there was no push for a drug (while possibly effective ones were studiously ignored or bad-mouthed), the lockdowns were half-hearted, mostly damaging the economy, not the virus. Mandatory testing was medically stupid (you can’t detect the virus before it multiplies in the host, i.e., a day or two after the infection your test would be negative), but it enriched a lot of companies.

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @Beckow

    Purely scientifically, I would say that artificial gain-of-function of a coronavirus is next to impossible: we know too little how these viruses work and how they protect themselves from the immune system. But changing the host from bat to human is doable and relatively easy: you just need to swap spike protein, replace it in a bat virus with corresponding protein from a virus that infects humans (say, common cold viruses, which are coronaviruses). When the pathogen jumps hosts, it becomes more virulent in the new host than it was in the old, simply because virus-host combinations evolve to make the disease less severe: a parasite that kills the host rapidly undermines its own survival chances. With a new host this is not an issue: there was no time for the virus and new host to adjust to each other (for mutual benefit).

    If it was done in a lab it could only have two goals:
    – use it to develop better protection against all corona viruses
    – a bioweapon.

    The first one is quite odd and illogical, but people have done more stupid things in science. As a bioweapon it is almost impossible to control and thus useless in geopolitics. Unless the targets were actually the people who were hit: elderly, sick and fat. Like in a bad James Bond movie…

    Most likely somebody was unnecessarily messing around because they were paid to do ‘something’, and because they could. And it escaped the lab, like Frankenstein except less visible…

    • Replies: @Miro23
    @Beckow


    If it was done in a lab it could only have two goals:

    – use it to develop better protection against all corona viruses
    – a bioweapon.

    The first one is quite odd and illogical, but people have done more stupid things in science. As a bioweapon it is almost impossible to control and thus useless in geopolitics. Unless the targets were actually the people who were hit: elderly, sick and fat. Like in a bad James Bond movie…
     
    It may actually be useless but it's the perception that matters. In the Kagans 2000 strategy document, "The Project for the New American Century" they say:

    P.60 - Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces. And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.
     
    So since that document has the magical property of turning speculation into reality, then it may well have been another "politically useful tool" same as their "New Pearl Harbour".

    The neo-cons are political activists not scientists.
  172. @songbird
    @Wielgus

    Was a guy called Captain Swayne in Ireland. Around 1798, he used to pitch-cap people and add some gunpowder to the pitch. He was piked to death in his bed. Possibly, part of my mother's family lived within about a mile or two of the place - but that is a lot of division when you go back that far.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wielgus

    Swayne is a fairly rare example of a scumbag who got what was coming to him.

    • LOL: songbird
  173. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”
     
    There are the total number of deaths in America for the last few years:

    2014 2,626,418
    2015 2,712,630
    2016 2,744,248
    2017 2,813,503
    2018 2,839,205
    2019 2,854,838
    2020 3,389,858
    2021 3,469,634

    Deaths jumped by over a half-million in both 2020 and 2021, representing the "excess deaths." If you can't believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census? Maybe our total population is only 200 million rather than 330 million? Maybe there's no state of Wyoming and it's just a hoax.

    I'm really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Deaths also rose from 2014 to 2019, by over 200k. We are saying that the C19 deaths were “over-stated”, not that they were non-existent. The “excess deaths” could be less than a million if we account for the trend. Given the incentives it would be surprising if some C19 cases were not added to get those incentives – there are always border-line cases.

    We also need the numbers for 2022 and the next few years to see what portion of C19 were deaths that were accelerated. If the death rate drops below the long-term trend that would suggest that many of the C19 deaths were people who were terminally ill and C19 pushed them over earlier. Still tragic, but it does place the societal trade-offs in a different light.

    In Sweden at one point their chief medical officer said in a TV interview that “the average C19 victim had around 4 months to live sans catching C19”. In Sweden the average age of C19 victim was close to 84 and majority were in old-people homes – so it could be a skewed comparison, but it highlights that C19 was not raging unchecked through younger healthier populations – who bore the main burden of shutdowns and controls and who may regret getting the MRNA shots that they clearly didn’t need medically.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    In two years I never caught Covid and held out against the jab until January this year, only finally getting it because without it travel was becoming impossible - I kept having to have PCR tests and was banned from entering restaurants etc. I know several people who got it or who fell ill with Covid or with something the doctor said was Covid. I only know one person who died of it and he was over 70. I have little doubt a disease called Covid exists but the degree to which society was overturned for it strikes me as phony.

  174. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just dropping in (the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control) to share the latest video by "Perun" on German re-armament, as a lot of things long argued over here are directly adressed. For someone so young and far from what he's talking about, the quality and regularness of his output really has been impressive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jDUVtUA7rg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control

    I just scroll over certain comments, like the “discussions” between AP and that simian-obsessed Sovok. But occasionally one can still have interesting exchanges.

    the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament

    Thanks. I watched the first ten minutes, and he’s completely correct that the present embarrassing state of the Bundeswehr dates only back to the 1990s. Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks. That’s something many people abroad don’t understand, leading to rather misleading arguments (like claiming the present state is due to WW2 trauma, also the “free riding” arguments so dear to a certain kind of American, which largely weren’t true when there actually was a direct Soviet threat to West Germany).
    Will see if I get around to watch the rest, though tbh it’s kind of depressing, like everything about Germany in the last 30 years.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks.
     
    There may have been a political impetus behind that.

    Today, with less of a political impetus - Germany might be considered nearer the truth on that question. I.e. it doesn't need tanks, has no use for them in the age of nuclear weapons.

    What it does have need for is nuclear energy plants, but the political impetus is against that.
    , @Sean
    @German_reader

    It could have built one if it had wanted (look at the Swedish effort during the Cold War), but Germany never had a force sufficient to repel a Soviet attack. And the US was not going to step on the ladder of nuclear war to save Western Europe from a Soviet (10: 1 in tube artillery) conventional onslaught. So the obvious conclusion is the Germans never believed they needed a massive conventional army capable of repulsing a Soviet attack because the Germans never really believed the USSR would ever attack and start a global WW3 that, even if conventional they would most assuredly lose against American matchless industrial and economic power.


    the “free riding” arguments so dear to a certain kind of American
     
    Eisenhower, he thought the US taxpayer would not continue to pay for defending Germany and the Germans need to step up and get their own nuclear weapons. JFK continued with that policy, which terrified Khrushchev and led him to cause the Berlin and Cuban crises.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB7PRY1Aqds
  175. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don't care enough to look it up. What's Ukraine's position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Pelitrua or something?

    Petliura, I think. Maybe AP can tell us about present Ukrainian views of him, I don’t really know that much myself.

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath

    I don’t know, Ireland’s war of independence and the subsequent civil war certainly involved many ugly episodes, but it seems to me it was fairly tame compared to events on the continent.
    And while Michael Collins came to a violent end himself, politically he was successful (even if Ireland today unfortunately seems to be rapidly throwing away his achievement). Whereas Bandera not only was someone who employed highly dubious means, he was also essentially a total failure.
    But maybe his cult will now fade due to the present war, which should give Ukraine some better heroes to worship.

  176. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don't care enough to look it up. What's Ukraine's position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    He had a funny way of showing it. Why didn’t he offer the South to spend all that money, manpower, and industrial capacity, on transporting them and reimbursing owners? Instead of subjugating and destroying people who actually had a culture where differences were recognized?

    If you ask me, he was full of it. Who was it, Harriet Beecher Stowe? Who said that she was for transporting them to Africa, after they had reached a state of civilization, and been educated to the point where they could look after themselves. She was obviously full of it. And she probably would have been even more full of it, if she understood how deadly tropical diseases in Africa were even for American blacks.

  177. @German_reader
    @songbird

    This is also a pretty gruesome method:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged,_drawn_and_quartered

    Looks like for most common crimes (not treason or heresy) it would have been either beheading or hanging in England and its dependencies in the early modern age.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @songbird

    Pity, but I guess the wikipedia page doesn’t check out.

    [MORE]

    Spoke to a local and he seemed to think it was mainly local tradition, referred me to the wiki, and suggested that there was a pedigree that might bear at least some details of the story out. But looking at pedigrees, I seem to have found evidence that definitely debunks the idea that the event took place, when they said it did. (Cromwellian times.)

    Well, I don’t know, it could have taken place. But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Still some very interesting qualities, if one assumes it is an older story, not from the 17th century but from the 16th, and it has just been garbled a bit.

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.
     
    Is that about the murder at the inauguration hill or about another event?

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.
     
    You needn't tell them directly, but definitely make a note of it, if you've found the name is attested earlier, that's pretty interesting.

    Replies: @songbird

  178. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    Who was the Ukrainian nationalist leader after WWI, Pelitrua or something? I don't care enough to look it up. What's Ukraine's position on him, is he seen as a hero too?

    The patron saint of the Republic of Ireland is Michael Collins who as a total murderous psychopath so nations deifying morally odious leaders from the past might just be something that we have to accept. Hell, the US Founding Fathers were mostly slave owners and Abraham Lincoln wanted to forcibly repatriate all blacks to Africa.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Petliura, I think.

    It was Symon Petliura. Petliura, like WWII mass murderers Bandera and Schuhevych, is considered a hero by current Kiev regime.

    Petliura was murdered in France in 1926 by Sholom Schwartzbard. Schwartzbard immediately confessed to killing (it is said by stating “I have killed an assassin”). At his trial he explained to the jury that Petliura forces summarily killed Jews in Ukraine, including his whole family, and that is why he killed Petliura. French jury accepted his argument and acquitted him.
    Even habitually lying Wiki has reasonably realistic account of these events (some would say because Schwartzbard was Jewish, while Petliura was an anti-Semit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartzbard_trial

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikhail

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Pleased this was mentioned because I was actually talking about it at the end of the previous thread since my return to commenting here - that there was never any true "Ukrainian" nationalism in history , or true Ukrainian nationalist leaders . These freaks ALWAYS existed to serve foreign powers, fought in the name of foreign powers and, despite all the laughable BS propaganda, never fought to create an independent Ukrainian state - partly because of their natural prostitution, but partly because they always had some aversion or incompatibility with the culture, the land and the people of this land that makes up modern "Ukraine"

    Stalin death penalty abolition in 1947, and Khrushchev letting out all the Banderetards from prison only to let them freely, walk into and inflitrate any high position in the Ukrainian SSR ( with zero "police state" doing anything to stop them) has played a sizeable role in the mess we see there today.

    Mazepa literally betrayed and fought Russia in the name of Poland, allied with the Swedes, - the idea of "Ukraine" nowhere near his thoughts.

    Petliura and the other trash like Grushevsky etc -in the interests of Polish sadists and their German and Austrian paymasters ( straight after they had committed a mass murder of "Ukrainiains" during WW1) subcontracted all the political and military decisions to them

    Bandera and Shukheyevich - AGAIN it's fighting for and with the interests of the German state - during the worst mass murder of Ukrainians, with the true goal having no connection to Ukrainian "patriotism" or "nationalism"
    As for now - a total betrayal of own culture and people and history all in the name of completely ill-defined western interests and administration

    Having 8 different pieces of land donated to it by Russia without asking for it, trading for it, or fighting for it ......and trying to have this taken into western administration to create some POS anti-Russia when basically all the "Ukrainian" culture comes exclusively from the Russian side, does not correspond to any "nationalism" in any sane mind.


    What is ironic and inspiring in comparison to the Kiev degenerates , is that independence and not subservience to a malicious foreign entity is what the heroes in the Donbass have shown twice in 100 years, first under the Donetsk-Krivoy-Rog Republic, and now as LDNR ( particularly this time, although the issue of foreign control was critical in DKR being formed among the business magnates and general population)

    Of course the historic Donetsk-Krivoy Rog Republic was far more than the Donbass, and I am convinced that those borders would be perfect outcome ( and solution) for our SMO. A lot of people want Novorossiya, but these borders of DKR provide security and make better economic sense in my view. Putin is an eager student of history, so I wonder how much he has thought of DKR and those borders as victorious solution

  179. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    the amount and quality of mudslinging here seems to getting out of control
     
    I just scroll over certain comments, like the "discussions" between AP and that simian-obsessed Sovok. But occasionally one can still have interesting exchanges.

    the latest video by “Perun” on German re-armament
     
    Thanks. I watched the first ten minutes, and he's completely correct that the present embarrassing state of the Bundeswehr dates only back to the 1990s. Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks. That's something many people abroad don't understand, leading to rather misleading arguments (like claiming the present state is due to WW2 trauma, also the "free riding" arguments so dear to a certain kind of American, which largely weren't true when there actually was a direct Soviet threat to West Germany).
    Will see if I get around to watch the rest, though tbh it's kind of depressing, like everything about Germany in the last 30 years.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sean

    Both West and East Germany had large conscription-based armies with thousands of tanks.

    There may have been a political impetus behind that.

    Today, with less of a political impetus – Germany might be considered nearer the truth on that question. I.e. it doesn’t need tanks, has no use for them in the age of nuclear weapons.

    What it does have need for is nuclear energy plants, but the political impetus is against that.

  180. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Pity, but I guess the wikipedia page doesn't check out.

    Spoke to a local and he seemed to think it was mainly local tradition, referred me to the wiki, and suggested that there was a pedigree that might bear at least some details of the story out. But looking at pedigrees, I seem to have found evidence that definitely debunks the idea that the event took place, when they said it did. (Cromwellian times.)

    Well, I don't know, it could have taken place. But the important thing is that it wasn't responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Still some very interesting qualities, if one assumes it is an older story, not from the 17th century but from the 16th, and it has just been garbled a bit.

    Still, don't know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It's a good story for the tourists.

    Replies: @German_reader

    But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.

    Is that about the murder at the inauguration hill or about another event?

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.

    You needn’t tell them directly, but definitely make a note of it, if you’ve found the name is attested earlier, that’s pretty interesting.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Different place. Different region. Never heard of it before yesterday.

    Similar idea, only with everything written out (at least according to the wiki), including a lost battle at the nearby castle, but with no cultural context attached to the place before that, the "original" name of which seems pretty boring or possibly common, but which I can think of a pretty interesting interpretation for, which in fact seems similar to one such place that has been remembered. Pictures and location aren't bad either.

    Dropped another line to the locals to see if there is a tradition of such a place. Hopefully, I'll get a response. If there is none remembered, and I can find an earlier instance of the "original" name than the "later" one, then it might still be pretty interesting.

  181. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    My problem is accepting these “excess death” stats. We have no way of ascertaining that those stats reflect the reality: there was strong financial incentive to scare the public, to make it accept mandated “vaccination”
     
    There are the total number of deaths in America for the last few years:

    2014 2,626,418
    2015 2,712,630
    2016 2,744,248
    2017 2,813,503
    2018 2,839,205
    2019 2,854,838
    2020 3,389,858
    2021 3,469,634

    Deaths jumped by over a half-million in both 2020 and 2021, representing the "excess deaths." If you can't believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census? Maybe our total population is only 200 million rather than 330 million? Maybe there's no state of Wyoming and it's just a hoax.

    I'm really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.

    If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census?

    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    • Agree: Bumpkin
    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.
     
    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse
     
    Terms such as Flu Hoaxer and Anti-vaxx make rational discussions very difficult. There is a tiny fringe of Anti-vaxxers who oppose *ALL* vaccines (Polio, Mumps, Rubella, etc.). New and different terminology is required for those who accept vaccines generally & object only to the experimental WUHAN-19 jabs that were rushed to market.

    More accurate names for the two sides (exclusive to Chinese Coronavirus) are:

        • Manda-Vaxx
        • Vaxx-Realist

    Manda-Vaxxers are fundamentally Authoritarian. As a matter of dogma, everyone must receive the experimental vaccine plus unproven boosters. The Shiny Jackboot of government policy must be enthusiastically used to enforce compliance. BigPharma is a key supporter for Manda-Vaxx ideology.

    Vaxx-Realists Follow The Science. They accept the evidence showing strong correlation between WUHAN-19 virus risk, age over 65, and preexisting conditions. Vaxx-Realists grasp that the vaccine/booster regimen makes sense for those at risk and is inappropriate for near zero risk groups (e.g healthy children).
    ___

    The WUHAN-19 virus causes "Excess Deaths" among those who are already approaching termination. Once the panic is quashed, there will almost certainly be a period of "Excess Life". The sickest of the sick, who die slightly early due to the WUHAN-19 virus, will no longer be in the statistical cohort to expire later.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.
     
    Okay, you don't believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what's America's total population and why do you believe that?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  182. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    As usual, when having nothing to refute the argument, a bitch is starting to resort to personal attacks.

    Read on, woman.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=IA8VkJHjPH4C&lpg=PA29&ots=dvLJdGIBoB&dq=Israel%2C%20children%20with%20European-Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20105%2C%20Middle-Eastern%20Jewish%20heritage%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20only%2085.%20Yet%2C%20when%20raised%20on%20a%20kibbutz%2C%20both%20groups%20have%20an%20average%20IQ%20of%20115.&pg=PA29#v=onepage&q&f=true

    She referenced a real research, and it doesn’t matter what degree she has.
     

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake. Congratulations.

    Your idiocy continues. If the average is 111, this means that there are plenty of below average Business Administration majors with IQs of 105.

    That may be true for your shithole country, and not true for another country – not a shithole country, such as your country, but a normal country, such as for example Russia
     

    By all metrics except number of third worlders allowed in, Russia is inferior to the USA.

    Amazing it is, that Health and Medical sciences in your shithole country requires 111 to get in. That explains a lot – a mediocre at best person, such as you, with a doctor’s licence – which is impossible in a normal country.
     
    Sharikov can't read the chart and Sharikov can't reason.

    Those numbers are for Bachelor's degrees, not MDs. Most of them are future nurses.

    You were too stupid to figure it out. Because of Soviet education?


    The nineties were, after all, the ultimate expression of the Soviet soul running free."

    And the twenties in the US were the expression of the Yankee soul, running free.
     

    Why not? Let's compare.

    Homicide rate, USA, 1925: 8.3
    Homicide rate, Russia, 1995: 21.5

    It's clear which soul was more sick.

    1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway.
    1990s Russia had Pelevin (ok he's entertaining) and Sorokin.


    Everyone else didn’t have to face the challenges that the Russians had to overcome.
     
    Idiotic mistake after mistake and mass murder of one's own population.

    Everyone else didn’t achieve as much as the Russians did.
     
    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor by the 1980s. And all for nothing, it ended in the 90s nihilism that only a people raised in Soviet values could do.

    Good job, Sharikov.


    Having lost 30 million people and a half of their country ruined,
     
    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people. After three years of fighting, the Tsar hadn't let the Germans move east of Poland.

    I guess if Sovoks are proud of almost losing a war to a country with about half their population, they can be proud of slowly gaining some territory from Ukraine, another country with a shameful Soviet legacy, with 4.5 times smaller population than Russia.


    The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war, and much ore after that. Some of the best cinematography and literature in the world were produced in the USSR, by the Soviet people.
     
    No, Soviets killed Russia's Silver Age.

    In 1915 life expectancy was 34 years. By 1926 life expectancy had reached 31 years. In 1930 it was 38 years, in 1940 41 years, ten years later – 50 years, ten years after that – 65 years.

     
    Sharikov thinks that life expectancy only increased in Russia and that no one else in the world accomplished this increase without Communism.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Portugal was 36 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Portugal 49 years.

    In Russia life expectancy in 1915 was 34 years and in Mexico was 29 years. In 1940 life expectancy in Russia was 41 years and in Mexico was 40 years.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico. By 1985, Mexico and Russia had the same life expectancy.


    In 1897, the overall literacy rate of the Russian Empire was an estimated 24%, with the rural literacy rate at 19.7%.

    In 1926 51% of the population over the age of 10 had achieved literacy. By 1937, according to census data, the literacy rate was 75%
     

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/education/Revolutionary-patterns-of-education

    "According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent."

    The rapid increase in Russian literacy began before the Bolsheviks took power. Their Revolution may have even interrupted the process. Next you will give the Bolsheviks credit for antibiotics and electrification. Or the appearance of airplanes. You are that stupid.


    The Americans had to have a civil war in order to consolidate the nation
     
    Russia wasn't consolidated until the Bolsheviks did it? Lol. What happened after only 70 years of Bolshevik rule?

    Their war was not any less brutal and bloody than the Russian civil war.
     
    I already taught you this Sharikov. You are too dumb to learn though.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    Well, Britannica claims up to 10 million people, mostly civilians, died in the Russian Civil War:

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Russian-Civil-War/Foreign-intervention

    That’s 6.1% of the Russian Empire’s 1914 population.

    The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War.

    Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it's an encyclopedia or something lol.


    The Spanish had lived under a fascist dictatorship for decades
     
    Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Your shithole of a country is a police dictatorship
     
    We have rowdy third worlders in our borders.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia and Belarus though:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    “In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)”

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Belarus 345/100,000 and Russia’s 325/100,000.


    with an unpayable debt put on the shoulders of the future generation
     
    And future, and future. The world will be worse off if America's debt is defaulted than will be the USA.


    "The elite apartment was privatized no differently than modest ones were, and the person living there was not responsible for the specific policy of apartment privatization in which everyone, from elite to modest, got to own the place where they are living at the moment of privatization. Nothing was unethical in this situation."

    Of course, nothing unethical in this situation – a bunch of traitorous commies, stealing the national wealth
     

    Because your entire country was based on theft, you Sharikov are incapable of understanding what actual theft is. Maybe that is why there was so much theft and crime in the 90s by Soviet people like you. When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    "My relatives were out of government by then and were horrified by what happened. They were naive and had hoped the reforms would result in a political-economic system like in Scandinavia. But the Sharikov population that was created by the Soviet system were not Swedes."

    Your relatives were not naive – they were stupid
     

    If they were stupid despite some being members of the Academy of Sciences what does that tell you about Soviet education?

    They thought too highly of the Soviet people. They didn't realize that a country of Sharikovs such as you would not do anything good with freedom.


    "My relatives simply got the apartment where they had been living, then rented it out, and were lucky to be ready to buy another one when the 1998 crash hit."

    They weren’t supposed to get that apartment. They were supposed to be given one of the equal size in a regular building, in a regular neighborhood.
     

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood? What would happen to the people in those regular neighborhoods? Moved to a worse place too?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake.

    Personal attack on her doesn’t discredit anything. She referenced the book of J. McVicker Hunt, a prominent American academic.

    Hunt received a Ph.D from Cornell University in 1933. Hunt also completed postdoctoral fellowships at the New York State Psychiatric Institute and the Worcester State Hospital. He also received a D.Sc from Brown University.

    Hunt published over 100 research and theoretical papers, and was editor of the Journal of Abnormal and Social Psychology from 1950 and 1955.

    You cannot debunk anything here.

    The research showed that intelligence is not inherited but developed. The Ashkenazi and the Sephardi children raised in a Kibbutz had the same average IQ of 115, whereas in their natural environment had 105 and 85 on average.

    Russia is inferior to the USA.

    The crime rate and incarceration rate is a lot higher in the US. The external debt is a lot higher in the US. The higher education rate is a lot lower in the US.

    9.6 percent of the Americans don’t have health insurance and can’t afford health care, whereas in Russia health care is free.

    The external debt of the US is at 102 percent of the GDP, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 32 percent. The external debt of the US is at 60,5 thousand USD per capita, whereas the external debt of Russia is at 3,7 thousand USD per capita.

    The higher education rate in the US is 35 percent, whereas in Russia it’s 54 percent.

    Russia is superior to the USA.

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    Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs.

    Repeating after me doesn’t make you look smarter ape.

    Nowhere in that chart does it mention a Bachelor’s degree, don’t make it up. The chart is for the average IQ of the faculties.

    Let’s compare. It’s clear which soul was more sick. 1920s America had Faulkner, Fitzgerald, T.S. Eliott and Hemingway. 1990s Russia had Pelevin and Sorokin.

    It’s clear that homicide rates correlate with the degree of economic and political crisis, ape. The US have never faced that kind of crisis. The resulting rise of crime during a crisis doesn’t have anything to do with the people’s soul.

    And even in the 90’s the Russians were still producing world class art – Alexander Sokurov, Aleksei Balabanov. Though nothing on the level of the USSR of course.

    Mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    There were mistakes but not mass murder. The civil war is a war not a murder. The civil war in the US was even bloodier.

    Epic shabbiness, second-rate power, managed to be much poorer than the countries it conquered, people living in squalor.

    The reforms started in the 80’s, the effect was felt in 1988. All that was happening is related to the dismantling of a great sovereign state, an artificial economic and political crisis.

    There were no people living in squalor in the USSR. There were no homeless people either.

    Another example of Soviet incompetence. Allowed a country with about 1/2 your population to wreck much of your country and kill 30 million people.

    You are too stupid to discuss that, but bear in mind that the Axis power countries were a lot stronger than the USSR, still recovering after the civil war.

    No, [The Soviet people were producing great art even during the war] Soviets killed Russia’s Silver Age.

    Mikhail Bulgakov, Dmitri Shostakovich, Maya Plisetskaya, Mstislav Rostropovich, Mikhail Sholokhov are a few examples of the people who created the great Soviet art of that era.

    Congratulations on making progress on a worse level than Mexico.

    Mexico the same as Russia had a civil war at the time. Russia on top of the civil war was engaged in the World War.

    For a comparison it’s better to take a look at other countries before the beginning of the World War. For example, life expectancy in the US in 1900 was 48, in the UK 46, and in Germany 43, and in Russia 30.

    Ten years afterwards, life expectancy in the US was 51, in the UK 52, and in Germany 47, and in Russia 32. Twenty years before that, in 1890, life expectancy in the US was 44, in the UK 45, and in Germany 40, and in Russia still 32.

    This clearly shows that situation with health care in Russia was catastrophic during the period before the revolution, and nothing was being done to improve that. Even a retarded son of a bitch like you is supposed to understand that.

    According to the census of 1897, only 24 percent of the population above the age of nine were literate. By 1914 the rate had risen to roughly 40 percent.

    The definition of literacy before the revolution was being able to write your own name and sign a document. Apart from that, there is no statistical data regarding literacy rate in the 1914.

    The definition of literacy during the Likbez program in the USSR was reading, writing and arithmetic. There was no rapid increase documented, this data is made up.

    Britannica claims up to 10 million people died in the Russian Civil War. The same source, Britannica, writes that 2% of the US population died during the Civil War. Your response was that Britannica was not a source because it’s an encyclopedia or something lol.

    You are a Ukrainian peace of idiot.

    Britannica is supposed to reference the statistics and it doesn’t. The article itself is not a source, it’s supposed to use a source and reference that source, the source of the data used in the article, dumbass.

    What a retard.

    Poor Spaniards, 200 000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.

    Learn to count, ape.

    Population of Spain during Franco was about 25 million, of the USSR during Stalin about 200 million.

    During the entire Stalin period 800 thousand people were executed.
    https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf

    That is 0.8 percent in Spain and 0.4 in the USSR.

    White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia.

    No one cares.

    The US is a police dictatorship with the highest incarceration rate in the world. And it doesn’t matter what percentage of the prisoners have what color of the skin.

    When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was.

    Most people fool happened to live in the apartments corresponding to the average value of the product the people were producing.

    Except for the commie bastard families, who were placed in the elite buildings because they happened to be on the top of the commie food chain, and not for their merit.

    Therefore a doctor and a general manager of a huge plant like my grandparents didn’t steal anything when they were given a small apartment in which they were living in private ownership, and a family of commie bastards, such as your family, were given a lot more than they were supposed to get.

    Had they been given a property of a comparable value the same as most people were given you would have been able to say that there was nothing unethical in that, and that would have been true.

    But they were given a fortune, taken from the people, for their connections and not for a merit.

    So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood?

    Of course, the entire building was supposed to be evicted. That building was a high value real estate, it was supposed to be sold, at the least. Or at the best it was supposed to remain what it had been and continue to be used as it has been – as an encouragement for the people doing important work for the government, free accommodation for those who are deserving that.

    Even corporations are doing that.

    Your logic can be extrapolated to the apartments of the ambassador families in London and elsewhere. Such apartments were not given to them forever.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Because she is no academic, she thought the obsolete and debunked work from 1971 she referenced, was proof of something. You were dumb enough to make the same mistake."

    Personal attack on her doesn’t discredit anything. She referenced the book of J. McVicker Hunt, a prominent American academic.
     

    She referenced 70 year old, obsolete discredited material in order to convince dumb people to buy her product that claims to increase IQ.

    Apparently, it worked to convince a dummy like you.


    The research showed that intelligence is not inherited but developed.
     
    70 year old research whose conclusions have been discredited long ago.

    Meanwhile in the modern world:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30670647/

    after accounting for general cognitive ability (GCA) at an average age of 20 y, additional education, occupational complexity, or engagement in cognitive-intellectual activities accounted for little variance in late midlife cognitive functioning in men age 56-66...the most parsimonious explanation of our results, a meta-analysis of the impact of education, and epidemiologic studies of the Flynn effect is that intellectual capacity gains due to education plateau in late adolescence/early adulthood

    So after age 20 there isn't much improvement anymore.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/mp2014105#:~:text=(i)%20The%20heritability%20of%20intelligence,genetically%20about%200.60%20or%20higher.

    "(i) The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in later adulthood. (ii) Intelligence captures genetic effects on diverse cognitive and learning abilities, which correlate phenotypically about 0.30 on average but correlate genetically about 0.60 or higher"

    ::::::::::::::

    This is why families occupy about the same social status and income level for hundreds of years (I have previously provided links to Hungary, Sweden, etc.) and why attempts to change this through artificially providing "opportunities" waste resources.


    Russia is inferior to the USA.

    The crime rate and incarceration rate is a lot higher in the US.
     

    Not for Americans of European descent.

    The external debt is a lot higher in the US
     
    Irrelevant. The fact that America can support this is further evidence of its greatness.

    The higher education rate is a lot lower in the US.
     
    This is very good. It is probably still too high, it should be around 20%. Germany with 27% is better. Russia gives too many tertiary degrees to idiots such as you.

    "Sharikov can’t read the chart and Sharikov can’t reason. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, not MDs.

    Repeating after me doesn’t make you look smarter ape."

    Nowhere in that chart does it mention a Bachelor’s degree, don’t make it up.
     

    As I said, Sharikov can't read the chart and Sharikov can't reason.

    The chart says "majors." A "major" is the specialization of an undergraduate degree in a college or university.

    https://occameducation.com/defining-major-course-class/

    A "major" is a term common to American and Canadian higher education parlance. A student’s "major" refers to what their primary area of study is. For instance, a common question students in the US will ask one another is "what is your major?", to which students respond with what field they are working for a degree in.

    A student who successfully completes the courses prescribed in a major qualifies for an undergraduate degree with the name of the major attached to it. For example, a student who completes an Arabic Studies major at the University of Notre Dame earns a Bachelor of Arts (B.A.) in Arabic Studies.


    Mistake after mistake and mass murder of one’s own population.

    There were mistakes but not mass murder.
     

    Sharikov doesn't think there was mass murder in the Soviet Union.

    Mikhail Bulgakov, Dmitri Shostakovich, Maya Plisetskaya, Mstislav Rostropovich, Mikhail Sholokhov are a few examples of the people who created the great Soviet art of that era.
     
    Bulgakov was a man of the pre-Soviet times who was censored persecuted by the Soviets. He was clearly not a Soviet Man. Not surprisingly, he was the greatest of the people on your list.

    Learn to count, ape.

    Population of Spain during Franco was about 25 million, of the USSR during Stalin about 200 million.
     

    In the 1930s (the period we are discussing) Spain's population was indeed around 25 million but the USSR's was around 162 million.

    Sharikov can't count.

    Sharikov in his dishonesty quotes me incorrectly:


    Poor Spaniards, 200 000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship, rather than millions as were killed in Russia.
     
    I wrote: "Poor Spaniards, 50,000-200,000 or so of them were killed by that dictatorship"

    You dishonestly removed the lower part of the range in the estimate of victims of Franco's regime.

    Then you did math to try to prove something:


    During the entire Stalin period 800 thousand people were executed.
    https://sovietinfo.tripod.com/GTY-Penal_System.pdf

    That is 0.8 percent in Spain and 0.4 in the USSR.
     

    1. The 800,000 refers to the number of people for whom there is an order for execution in archives. It does not cover anyone else killed (do you really believe every murder has a surviving order), this number is estimated at around a million. Moreover, I referred to the number of people killed by the government (Sharikov can't read). Not everyone killed by Stalin's regime was the victim of an executioner. Some people were worked to death in the gulags, others were killed while being transported, and millions were starved to death by his policies. Altogether, through various means, Stalin's regime killed about 9 million people. (This does not even include the tens of millions killed during World War II as a result of his incompetence).

    2. See above, estimates for those killed in Spain range from 50,000-200,000 in total (not just the number of people for whom there is an order of execution in archives). If you were honest you would use the middle number, 125,000. Then for Soviets you would use the number of 9 million.

    Can Sharikov do that math?


    "White Americans have a lower incarceration rate than in Russia."

    No one cares.

    The US is a police dictatorship with the highest incarceration rate in the world.
     

    It is keeping a more or less first world crime rate with a population that includes a large third world segment. If you are a European in America you are incarcerated at a lower rate than Russians and Belarussians.


    "When everything was privatized, people were given the place where they happened to live. So either everyone in this situation was a thief, or no one was."

    Most people fool happened to live in the apartments corresponding to the average value of the product the people were producing.
     

    Thanks for confirming that the Soviets produced nothing of much value. Most people in the USSR lived in squalid conditions.

    Except for the commie bastard families, who were placed in the elite buildings because they happened to be on the top of the commie food chain
     
    They created and ran the entire system, that you support. They were your superiors. Your masters. Your creators, Sharikov. Your lack of gratitude is another of your disgusting traits.

    But they were given a fortune, taken from the people, for their connections and not for a merit.
     
    The apartment came with a promotion to an important job working directly for the Central Committee. It was not some kind of a free gift. A home in the provinces was given up and this one one in Moscow was taken, when the job offer was accepted.

    Had there been a less important job at a factory or at a clinic, a more modest dwelling would have been provided. Instead, this one was.


    "So was their entire building supposed to be evicted? What would happen to the empty building and all the apartments in them? And why should someone at the top of the society be downgraded to a regular apartment in a regular neighborhood?"

    Of course, the entire building was supposed to be evicted. That building was a high value real estate, it was supposed to be sold, at the least.
     

    As a Soviet you naturally have no qualms about stealing from people, such as stealing their home.

    Your logic can be extrapolated to the apartments of the ambassador families in London and elsewhere
     
    Ambassadors are not forced to give up their previous house when they become Ambassadors, and that position is obviously temporary.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  183. @Beckow
    @Ron Unz

    Deaths also rose from 2014 to 2019, by over 200k. We are saying that the C19 deaths were "over-stated", not that they were non-existent. The "excess deaths" could be less than a million if we account for the trend. Given the incentives it would be surprising if some C19 cases were not added to get those incentives - there are always border-line cases.

    We also need the numbers for 2022 and the next few years to see what portion of C19 were deaths that were accelerated. If the death rate drops below the long-term trend that would suggest that many of the C19 deaths were people who were terminally ill and C19 pushed them over earlier. Still tragic, but it does place the societal trade-offs in a different light.

    In Sweden at one point their chief medical officer said in a TV interview that "the average C19 victim had around 4 months to live sans catching C19". In Sweden the average age of C19 victim was close to 84 and majority were in old-people homes - so it could be a skewed comparison, but it highlights that C19 was not raging unchecked through younger healthier populations - who bore the main burden of shutdowns and controls and who may regret getting the MRNA shots that they clearly didn't need medically.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    In two years I never caught Covid and held out against the jab until January this year, only finally getting it because without it travel was becoming impossible – I kept having to have PCR tests and was banned from entering restaurants etc. I know several people who got it or who fell ill with Covid or with something the doctor said was Covid. I only know one person who died of it and he was over 70. I have little doubt a disease called Covid exists but the degree to which society was overturned for it strikes me as phony.

  184. @German_reader
    @songbird


    But the important thing is that it wasn’t responsible for the name of the place, which I was able to determine is at the very least a few decades older.
     
    Is that about the murder at the inauguration hill or about another event?

    Still, don’t know if I should tell them that it is wrong. It’s a good story for the tourists.
     
    You needn't tell them directly, but definitely make a note of it, if you've found the name is attested earlier, that's pretty interesting.

    Replies: @songbird

    Different place. Different region. Never heard of it before yesterday.

    Similar idea, only with everything written out (at least according to the wiki), including a lost battle at the nearby castle, but with no cultural context attached to the place before that, the “original” name of which seems pretty boring or possibly common, but which I can think of a pretty interesting interpretation for, which in fact seems similar to one such place that has been remembered. Pictures and location aren’t bad either.

    Dropped another line to the locals to see if there is a tradition of such a place. Hopefully, I’ll get a response. If there is none remembered, and I can find an earlier instance of the “original” name than the “later” one, then it might still be pretty interesting.

    • Thanks: German_reader
  185. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Petliura, I think.
     
    It was Symon Petliura. Petliura, like WWII mass murderers Bandera and Schuhevych, is considered a hero by current Kiev regime.

    Petliura was murdered in France in 1926 by Sholom Schwartzbard. Schwartzbard immediately confessed to killing (it is said by stating “I have killed an assassin”). At his trial he explained to the jury that Petliura forces summarily killed Jews in Ukraine, including his whole family, and that is why he killed Petliura. French jury accepted his argument and acquitted him.
    Even habitually lying Wiki has reasonably realistic account of these events (some would say because Schwartzbard was Jewish, while Petliura was an anti-Semit): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwartzbard_trial

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Gerard1234

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wielgus


    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.
     
    Frankly, I would buy an official Soviet version of any event no more than an official US version. I lived in both countries and saw evidence of both governments lying. From what I know (which is not much), Petlyura was an unprincipled nasty nonentity, like the current clown. I would not be surprised if he served Poland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he double-crossed them or any other masters for personal gain. He was that kind of scum. As they say in the US, an honest politician is that who once bought stays bought. I don’t think he was honest even in that sense. In the end, France accepted him, not Poland.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mikhail
    @Wielgus


    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.
     
    Petliura was from the Russian Empire unlike Bandera. In order to improve on his weak position, Petliura agreed to see all of Galicia go to Poland, in exchange for Polish support of him as a pro-Polish/anti-Russian puppet of a former Russian Empire Ukrainian state.

    In turn, the Galician Ukrainian army en masse agreed to come under the command of the Russian Whites. Unlike how Pilsudski treated Petliura, the Whites didn't set a condition on the Galician Ukrainians.

    At the end of the Russian Civil War, some of Petliura's forces ended up in Polish held territory, with some of the Galician Ukrainian army ending up in the USSR.

    At the time, the Pilsudski led Poland sought to establish itself as the leading central European state, premised on an alliance of anti-Russian countries. The Galician Ukrainians and Whites stood in the way.Pilsudski even made a then secret agreement with the Bolshes to not support the Whites.

    Related articles, with an emphasis on the pro-Russian/anti-Soviet perspective - a view under-represented when compared to Soviet, Polish and svido perspectives:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052011-pavlo-skoropadsky-and-the-course-of-russian-ukrainian-relations-analysis/

  186. @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikhail

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Frankly, I would buy an official Soviet version of any event no more than an official US version. I lived in both countries and saw evidence of both governments lying. From what I know (which is not much), Petlyura was an unprincipled nasty nonentity, like the current clown. I would not be surprised if he served Poland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he double-crossed them or any other masters for personal gain. He was that kind of scum. As they say in the US, an honest politician is that who once bought stays bought. I don’t think he was honest even in that sense. In the end, France accepted him, not Poland.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Refer to comment 191.

  187. @songbird
    Germany's trade balance is now negative!

    Is it true that a lot of the corn in Nebraska is stunted due to lack of fertilizer?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Don’t know about Nebraska but I was hearing at planting time that some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    This is part of the potential weakness of the modern agribusiness approach. Soils are so bombed over by constant pesticide/ fungicide/ chemical fertilizer application that it is a rather dead growing medium. It is extremely dependent on heavy inputs because they are the only thing keeping the crops growing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.
     
    Farmers are also changing crops to require less fertilizer. (1)

    For just the third time in recorded history, farmers will be planting more soybeans than corn as they grapple with the rising cost of fertilizer — a cost that will almost certainly be passed on to consumers.
    ...
    Soybeans put nitrogen back into the ground rather than extract it, so they only need a small amount of fertilizer when compared to corn. Previously, the average farmer used 255 pounds of fertilizer for corn, compared to 65 pounds for soybeans
     
    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/farmers-turn-to-soybeans-over-corn-as-fertilizer-prices-spike

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    , @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    IMO, even more reason for energy independence. That way you can potentially strong-arm the nitrogen, if you need to.

    Kind of scary to think how in the more developed parts of the world, there's never been less people on the farms or who grew up on farms, so in a way, farming problems might be considered to be a smaller consideration for the elites than ever before.

  188. @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mikhail

    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.

    Petliura was from the Russian Empire unlike Bandera. In order to improve on his weak position, Petliura agreed to see all of Galicia go to Poland, in exchange for Polish support of him as a pro-Polish/anti-Russian puppet of a former Russian Empire Ukrainian state.

    In turn, the Galician Ukrainian army en masse agreed to come under the command of the Russian Whites. Unlike how Pilsudski treated Petliura, the Whites didn’t set a condition on the Galician Ukrainians.

    At the end of the Russian Civil War, some of Petliura’s forces ended up in Polish held territory, with some of the Galician Ukrainian army ending up in the USSR.

    At the time, the Pilsudski led Poland sought to establish itself as the leading central European state, premised on an alliance of anti-Russian countries. The Galician Ukrainians and Whites stood in the way.Pilsudski even made a then secret agreement with the Bolshes to not support the Whites.

    Related articles, with an emphasis on the pro-Russian/anti-Soviet perspective – a view under-represented when compared to Soviet, Polish and svido perspectives:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/22052011-pavlo-skoropadsky-and-the-course-of-russian-ukrainian-relations-analysis/

    • Agree: Gerard1234
  189. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.
     
    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.

    If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census?
     
    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.

    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse

    Terms such as Flu Hoaxer and Anti-vaxx make rational discussions very difficult. There is a tiny fringe of Anti-vaxxers who oppose *ALL* vaccines (Polio, Mumps, Rubella, etc.). New and different terminology is required for those who accept vaccines generally & object only to the experimental WUHAN-19 jabs that were rushed to market.

    More accurate names for the two sides (exclusive to Chinese Coronavirus) are:

        • Manda-Vaxx
        • Vaxx-Realist

    Manda-Vaxxers are fundamentally Authoritarian. As a matter of dogma, everyone must receive the experimental vaccine plus unproven boosters. The Shiny Jackboot of government policy must be enthusiastically used to enforce compliance. BigPharma is a key supporter for Manda-Vaxx ideology.

    Vaxx-Realists Follow The Science. They accept the evidence showing strong correlation between WUHAN-19 virus risk, age over 65, and preexisting conditions. Vaxx-Realists grasp that the vaccine/booster regimen makes sense for those at risk and is inappropriate for near zero risk groups (e.g healthy children).
    ___

    The WUHAN-19 virus causes “Excess Deaths” among those who are already approaching termination. Once the panic is quashed, there will almost certainly be a period of “Excess Life”. The sickest of the sick, who die slightly early due to the WUHAN-19 virus, will no longer be in the statistical cohort to expire later.

    PEACE 😇

  190. @AnonfromTN
    @Wielgus


    The Soviet portrayal of Petlyura was that he was a puppet of Poland, with the anti-Semitism secondary.
     
    Frankly, I would buy an official Soviet version of any event no more than an official US version. I lived in both countries and saw evidence of both governments lying. From what I know (which is not much), Petlyura was an unprincipled nasty nonentity, like the current clown. I would not be surprised if he served Poland, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he double-crossed them or any other masters for personal gain. He was that kind of scum. As they say in the US, an honest politician is that who once bought stays bought. I don’t think he was honest even in that sense. In the end, France accepted him, not Poland.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Refer to comment 191.

  191. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    Don't know about Nebraska but I was hearing at planting time that some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    This is part of the potential weakness of the modern agribusiness approach. Soils are so bombed over by constant pesticide/ fungicide/ chemical fertilizer application that it is a rather dead growing medium. It is extremely dependent on heavy inputs because they are the only thing keeping the crops growing.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.

    Farmers are also changing crops to require less fertilizer. (1)

    For just the third time in recorded history, farmers will be planting more soybeans than corn as they grapple with the rising cost of fertilizer — a cost that will almost certainly be passed on to consumers.

    Soybeans put nitrogen back into the ground rather than extract it, so they only need a small amount of fertilizer when compared to corn. Previously, the average farmer used 255 pounds of fertilizer for corn, compared to 65 pounds for soybeans

    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/farmers-turn-to-soybeans-over-corn-as-fertilizer-prices-spike

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.
     
    Yep. These are just a few examples of domino effects in the economy. Neither Adam Smith in the eighteenth century, nor a schoolkid of today would be surprised – these relationships are very simple. Yet libtards cannot grasp them. No wonder they consider times table racist – it’s way above their level of comprehension.
    , @Barbarossa
    @A123

    The other interesting question that raises is what it will do to soy prices and if there is a market waiting for the crops. A farmer can plant anything he wants, but can't create a market for it. If any substantial number of farmers choose soy over corn to avoid fertilizer expenses it could easily create a glut of soybeans which could lower prices and still hurt the farmer.

    I know that soybean prices were up when China started buying quantities again, but I'm not sure where it's headed this year.

  192. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.
     
    Farmers are also changing crops to require less fertilizer. (1)

    For just the third time in recorded history, farmers will be planting more soybeans than corn as they grapple with the rising cost of fertilizer — a cost that will almost certainly be passed on to consumers.
    ...
    Soybeans put nitrogen back into the ground rather than extract it, so they only need a small amount of fertilizer when compared to corn. Previously, the average farmer used 255 pounds of fertilizer for corn, compared to 65 pounds for soybeans
     
    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/farmers-turn-to-soybeans-over-corn-as-fertilizer-prices-spike

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    Yep. These are just a few examples of domino effects in the economy. Neither Adam Smith in the eighteenth century, nor a schoolkid of today would be surprised – these relationships are very simple. Yet libtards cannot grasp them. No wonder they consider times table racist – it’s way above their level of comprehension.

  193. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I’m really surprised that someone such as yourself with a strong scientific background seems to have been carried along by the Flu Hoaxers.
     
    I am not a flu hoaxer. Like I said, I have evidence that the virus is real and could be pretty bad. However, I also have evidence that virtually everything the government says is even worse.

    If you can’t believe the total reported number of deaths in America, how can you believe anything else? Why would you believe the US Census?
     
    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.

    Okay, you don’t believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what’s America’s total population and why do you believe that?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    Okay, you don’t believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what’s America’s total population and why do you believe that?
     
    I can’t say that I blindly believe that. However, the population numbers follow the same trend for many years, despite numerous changes of administration (and the lies these administrations preferred to push). That makes those numbers a lot more credible than the “excess death” numbers published when first the organizers of changing President and then the administration of Alzheimer-in-chief pushed a certain narrative, then issued a mandate based on this narrative that financially benefited the companies and people we know. The same administration promptly forgot about covid and switched to equally non-credible claims about inflation and Putin. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  194. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I do not believe any statement by any government without independent evidence. FYI, not believing things without evidence is the scientific method.
     
    Okay, you don't believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what's America's total population and why do you believe that?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Okay, you don’t believe the official total of annual American deaths. So what’s America’s total population and why do you believe that?

    I can’t say that I blindly believe that. However, the population numbers follow the same trend for many years, despite numerous changes of administration (and the lies these administrations preferred to push). That makes those numbers a lot more credible than the “excess death” numbers published when first the organizers of changing President and then the administration of Alzheimer-in-chief pushed a certain narrative, then issued a mandate based on this narrative that financially benefited the companies and people we know. The same administration promptly forgot about covid and switched to equally non-credible claims about inflation and Putin. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, I don't know about that. For example, maybe there are actually only 100 million Americans and the government is pretending that the total is around 330 million in order to make our country look more powerful and influential in the world. But maybe the Russians are doing the same thing and their true population is only 40 million. Maybe it's all just a practical joke by the Venusians for one of their TV comedy shows.

    Actually, as far as I know, almost all the Flu Hoaxers accept the official figures for annual American deaths, or at least none of the other ones I've argued with have ever disputed them. So on this issue, you seem much more extreme than any Flu Hoaxer I've previously encountered.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN

  195. BTW, the Daily Mail just ran a substantial story on Sachs’ Covid origins statements, the first time they’ve gotten into the MSM:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10980715/Covid-leaked-AMERICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ron Unz


    Covid leaked from an AMERICAN lab and not the notorious Chinese facility at centre of pandemic cover-up, claims top US professor described as 'Xi propagandist'

     

    It is a simple matter to say it "came from an American lab". But the wording of Sachs's statement was significantly different.

    Famous US economist Jeffrey Sachs, who led a two-year probe into the pandemic's origins, said he was 'pretty convinced' the virus was the result of 'US lab biotechnology'.
     
    'US lab biotechnology was in Wuhan because the most advanced techniques used in Wuhan were taught to bat lady Shi's researchers by Professor Ralph Baric in North Carolina in 2015, and it caused eminent scietists to question its rationality just as a 2013 experiment on influenza had. Simon Wain- Hobson was in the forefont both times.
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2014.00077/full

    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research - Naturehttps://www.nature.com › news
    12 Nov 2015 — Lab-made coronavirus related to SARS can infect human cells. An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus — one related .
     
    Some people like to play with fire. Others find it remunerative.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/98075

    Vanity Fair's Katherine Eban details the evolution of the EcoHealth Alliance [...] The organization went from a struggling nonprofit focused on saving manatees (under the name Wildlife Trust) to winning multi-million-dollar federal grants to study pandemic prevention. Its first big break came in 2009 when it won $18 million as part of a USAID pandemic prevention effort called PREDICT. But its leader, Peter Daszak, PhD, had been collaborating for years prior to that with Shi Zhengli, PhD, of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Daszak and Zhengli published their first paper together in 2005 -- on how horseshoe bats were a likely reservoir for SARS-like viruses. EcoHealth Alliance subcontracted $1.1 million of the PREDICT grant to WIV, Vanity Fair reported.

    Eban details the work spawned by this alliance that has sparked several flash points in the SARS-CoV-2 origin debate. "Gain-of-function" research conducted in 2015 by Zhengli and collaborator Ralph Baric, PhD, of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, involved the creation of two chimeric coronaviruses that were similar to the one that caused the 2002 SARS outbreak.
     
    That the virus, whether created in Wuhan or brought there from a remote cave near Laos by Bat Lady's minions, escaped from a Wuhan lab to cause the pandemic is the most likely possibility on the grounds of propinquity alone. Against a US bioweapon attack is it lacks the capability to only preferentially infect and be transmitted by Chinese, China is a nuclear powerer that would regard it as an act of war and would surely quickly discover what happened, whereupon it would simply have to retaliate, and it is not at all obvious anyone in the US Deep State thinks China can overtake the US, so why resort to such desperate measures?
  196. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    some of the big farmers around here were using 50% of normal fertilizer application. That is going to affect yields; no way around that.
     
    Farmers are also changing crops to require less fertilizer. (1)

    For just the third time in recorded history, farmers will be planting more soybeans than corn as they grapple with the rising cost of fertilizer — a cost that will almost certainly be passed on to consumers.
    ...
    Soybeans put nitrogen back into the ground rather than extract it, so they only need a small amount of fertilizer when compared to corn. Previously, the average farmer used 255 pounds of fertilizer for corn, compared to 65 pounds for soybeans
     
    This will lead to further inflation. Less corn will be available to meet ethanol requirements for petrol. And, the lack of corn for chicken feed will drive up grocery prices.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/energy-environment/farmers-turn-to-soybeans-over-corn-as-fertilizer-prices-spike

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    The other interesting question that raises is what it will do to soy prices and if there is a market waiting for the crops. A farmer can plant anything he wants, but can’t create a market for it. If any substantial number of farmers choose soy over corn to avoid fertilizer expenses it could easily create a glut of soybeans which could lower prices and still hurt the farmer.

    I know that soybean prices were up when China started buying quantities again, but I’m not sure where it’s headed this year.

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    @Here Be Dragon


    And regarding the historical facts. You, dumbass, started with claiming that the Cossack Hetmanate was an independent state. You left the thread when it was proven to be wrong.
     
    I left the thread because moderation took a while on that blog and the article was old. So I have proven you wrong here:

    1. Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers.

    2. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state (army, laws, own supreme ruler on its territory).

    You had nothing to contradict it, so you brought up some old discussion which I left because one had to wait for moderation and it was an old article.

    "You, a descendant of that so called Ukrainian gentry, should consider this."

    Most of that gentry were bastard children of the Polish landlords
     
    Sharikov thinks everyone is as immoral and as debauched as Soviets like his Soviet ancestors.

    when passing through their villages, using the right of the first night.
     
    Sharikov believes fairytales that he was taught. That was a myth used by later writers.

    Your ancestors were bastards.
     
    Sharikov tries to bark, again.

    No, my people were not immoral Soviet savages.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs. Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden, interestingly). Occasionally commoners were ennobled for some service, such as in battle. I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    The Magnates in Ukraine were largely Rurikids and other Rus, and some Slavicized Lithuanians.

    Now Sharikov will regurgitate Soviet historical myths and will have them corrected:

    "There you go again with your ignorance, this was Rus but not Muscovy-Russia, the most powerful magnates in these Rus lands were not Poles but Rus people, such as Jeremi Wiśniowiecki, whose son ascended the Polish throne. These Rus people had a long history of together with their Polish brothers fighting against Muscovites."

    A Polish Catholic, who had nothing to do with the Rus’.
     
    Jeremi Wiśniowiecki was a Rurikid prince, his conversion to Catholicism from Orthodoxy as an adult did not erase this fact. He was the legitimate ruler of the Ukrainian lands, not some partially-Tatar Muscovite. He built numerous towns in Ukraine.

    The Poles and the Lithuanians used the time when the Rus’ was weakened, facing the Mongol horde, and occupied a large portion of the Rus’ land.
     
    The Rus lands were controlled by indigenous Rus princes from families such as Ostrogski, Wiśniowiecki and Sapieha. They not only controlled their own lands but steered the Eastern policy of the entire Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. An ignorant Sharikov such as you just believes the fairytales fed into your poor head, about some kind of foreign rule. Lol.

    Later the Rus’ gathered strenght, and drove out the Mongols and the Poles as well.
     
    Khmelytsky committed treason, allied with the Tatars and split the PLC. Muscovites took advantage of this internal problem. Ukraine has suffered as a result of Khmelnytsky's treason.

    The victories Russian soldiers marched through the Triumphal Arch in Paris, raised their flag in Berlin
     
    Indeed, the transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    "The relatively primitive Muscovites got their culture from those Rus people who had origins in the civilized Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, the beacon of light in those dark places. Their literature came from Gogol and their classical musical tradition came from people like Berezovsky and Bortniansky."

    Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth – a bunch of primitive savages.
     
    Sharikov thinks something else. Cute. The beauty of places such as Krakow, Zamosc, Lviv, the churches and palaces, contradict your claim.

    Here is a chart from this blog of numeracy over the years; there is no data for mass literacy but this is a good stand-in for it:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/historical-numeracy-russia-poland-ukraine.png

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    The Hetmanate, particularly its earlier years, was the child of the PLC. Contrast Mazepa as described in French diplomat Jean Baluse's memoirs:

    “At his court he has two German doctors, with whom he converses in their tongue; to the Italian masters of whom there are several in the castle, he speaks in the Italian language. I spoke with the master of Ukraine in the Latin language, inasmuch he assured me that he was not very fluent in French…I do not know if this statement of his concealed a special motive, for I myself saw French and Dutch newspapers in his study.”

    With Peter's court as described by Danish envoy Just:

    “Prince Menshikov, a figure second to the tsar, could neither read nor write. Chancellor Golovkin knew no language but Russian; not a single one of the tsar’s dignitaries could speak Latin, with the exception of Musin-Pushkin, who was fluent in that language. Even Tsar Peter, whose ‘enlightenment’ was widely known, spoke only one Western European language, namely Dutch, and even here the tsar had difficulty in making himself understood.”

    Just described how all of the teachers at the Moscow gymnasium were either Ukrainians or Byelorussians (“Orthodox from Poland”).

    The ordinary monks in the Pecherska Lavra spoke fluently with him in Latin. He was greatly surprised to see the Ukrainian peasants in many villages going to church with prayer books, suggesting that they were literate.

    Nikolai Gogol himself never wrote a thing in Ukrainian
     
    A quick google search indicates that he wrote a letter in Ukrainian to his fiend Josef
    Bohdan Zaleski (a Polish Ukrainophile) in 1837, signed with the Ukrainian-language version of his name (Mykola).

    "Dostoyevsky’s father Mikhail was born and grew up in the Right Bank of central Ukraine. Thus, Fyodor Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian."

    There was no Ukraine, you sick idiot. No Ukraine, no such thing, no such entity, not even such a name on the map
     
    Dostoyevsky's father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian, like Gogol the product of the PLC.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing "Ukraine":

    https://i.imgur.com/h5mzLhT.png

    Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?


    Most cities in what is now Ukraine were founded and built by the Russians.
     
    No, only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside. And those Russians who had founded those towns, had nothing to do with Sovoks like you, Sharikov. Your ancestors' team killed them all or drove them into exile when you stole their properties.

    This artificial nation of peasants, spending their lives picking potatoes, with their asses pointed to the skies, is incapable of building anything more complicated than a village.

     

    Only your Soviet nation is artificial, Sharikov. The Ukrainians despite being outnumbered 4.5:1 by the Russians in population are still holding off the Russians. If there were only half as many Ukrainians as there are Russians, Ukrainians would probably be on the way to taking Moscow by now.

    :::::::::::::

    It took me seconds to calculate the ethnic Russian IQ with the corrections you proposed,
     
    It took you two posts to figure out that those corrections were necessary, Sharikov.

    You had actually believed that your sample in which 20% were very smart Muscovites was a valid representation of the Russian average IQ when in reality smart Muscovites were only 10% of the Russian population and a sample of 20% Muscovites would skew the results upward.

    I had to explain it to you more than once for you to understand and make the calculations.

    My guess was 100.5. The number you calculated after 2 days or whatever, was 100.4.

    Sharikov is slow.

    You are the one who was insisting that the IQ test versions for various countries were calibrated with varying degrees of difficulties, in order to bring them everywhere to the average score of 100.
     
    LOL, so dumb Sharikov still "thinks" that countries do not have their own IQ standardization but are on some universal standard. The average IQ within the USA is 100, within the UK is 100, within Canada is 100, and so on. Each of these countries has its own norm. So an American with an IQ of 100 has the mean IQ for the USA, it would be lower if he took a Canadian test.

    You still don’t have any clue.

    Here is a test for you, and an opportunity to prove me wrong. Tell me what the standard IQ score would be for the PISA scores of 418, 625 and 566.

    You were even told how to do that and you couldn’t.
     
    I did it 2 days before you did.

    I don't need to do calculations in this case, that is for Sharikovs, my estimates are accurate enough. I'd estimate 89, 118, and 110.

    I am glad that you claim that every Soviet person is a thief, because every Soviet person was granted title to the apartment he had happened to be living in when Sovietism ended."

    A Soviet person was given the apartment he had happened to be living in, but the people who were living in the elite state housing were not supposed to be given that much. The same as the state-owned houses in the pine forest near Moscow were not supposed to be privatized.
     
    They were not expected to be homeless. The place where they lived full time became theirs, as with everyone else. It was no different, except the place was nicer because they were more important.

    However the entire system was based on theft, and everyone involved including your ancestors shared in that theft and murder. In Poland they are returning properties to the pre-Communist owners or compensating them if doing so is impossible. Russia doesn't do the same - why would they, because post-90s Russia is a purely Soviet creation.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Here Be Dragon

    From Poland with love.

    You are a liar. The Poles will never forget and never forgive. You are hated.

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    Ukraine was recognized as independent and sovereign under its ruler Khmelnytsky by foreign powers. Ukraine had all the attributes of a sovereign state. You had nothing to contradict it.

    And Juan Guaido has been recognized as the president of Venezuela, however he is not the president.

    Ukraine did not exist as a sovereign state even for an hour. Poland didn’t recognize it as anything but a province. The land of where is now Ukraine was transferred then from Poland to the Russian Empire.

    Petty gentry in Ukraine were mostly descendants of boyar families, knights invited to settle the lands, or Varangian druzhyna who had accompanied the princes from the North in order to help rule over the Eastern Slavs.

    Yes sure, quoting the Ukrainian historians isn’t going to help, apey. They are inventing the entire history from the ground up, beginning with Atlantis. They are saying the Ukrainians are an ancient people with 140 thousand years of history.

    Bitch, please.

    Our paternal family legend was the latter and it was confirmed by genetic testing, showing origins in Novgorod-Pskov area with a lot of relatives in Norway (fewer in Sweden). I have ancestors from all of these groups.

    Your family legend is a legend you fools tell each other.

    And these genetic testing companies are making a load of money on fools like you. At best what one can learn about himself in reality is which haplogroups he belongs to.

    ‘It made me question my ancestry’: does DNA home testing really understand race?
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/aug/11/question-ancestry-does-dna-testing-really-understand-race

    Mongrel families such as yours are the first clientele of these scammers – idiots, looking for some noble genes. You wouldn’t need it if you really had any.

    The transfer of Ukraine to Russia altered the balance of power and enabled Russia to score some victories. That has been undone now. No more such victories, savages.

    The conquest of Ukraine. The land where is now Ukraine is the Russian land, and it was liberated from the Polish and Lithuanian occupiers. The Russians should have expelled the fake people called the Ukrainians from there together with the Poles.

    Until Poland stagnated in the 18th century it was well ahead of savage Moscow. No data from Ukraine at that time but the trend line suggests that it was between Russia and Poland in the 17th century.

    Yes it was.

    And then it wasn’t.

    There is nothing to compare – the Russians went on to become one of the most sophisticated people on earth, and the Poles as well as the Lithuanians degraded. The Ukrainians are not even close to the latter two, let alone to the Russians.

    Dostoyevsky’s father was born in Ukraine and was the son of a Greek Catholic priest. He was a minor Ukrainian nobleman (the family had come to Ukraine from Belarus a century or two earlier). Thus Dostoyevsky was half-Ukrainian.

    Even if Dostoevsky’s father was born in Ukraine – which he wasn’t, because there were no Ukraine – even then Dostoevsky himself would still be a Russian, because he was born in Moscow, and his father was a Russian living in what is now Ukraine, but then wasn’t.

    He was a Russian, spoke Russian, wrote in Russian.

    Here is a map from the 17th century showing “Ukraine”. Tell me Sharikov, did the 17th century come before the 18th?

    What a dumbass.

    Ukraine was still a province of the Polish-Lithuanian state in the 17th century. Of course there was a Polish map of Ukraine.

    No, [Most cities in Ukraine were built by the Russians] only the ones in the far south and east. And they were small towns and cities before the Ukrainians moved in from the surrounding countryside.

    Let’s check it out.

    Uzhhorod – the historical name of the city is Hungarian, Ungvár. Chernivtsi – the name Cernăuți is first attested in a document by Alexandru cel Bun. A Romanian town.

    Ternopil – the city was founded in 1540 by Polish commander and Hetman Jan Amor Tarnowski, as a military stronghold. Ivano-Frankivsk – Stanisławów was founded as a fortress and was named after the Polish hetman Stanisław “Rewera” Potocki.

    The city of Lviv was founded in 1250 by King Daniel of Galicia. Lutsk is an ancient Slavic town, mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle as Luchesk in the records of 1085 – a Russian town.

    Rivne was first mentioned in 1283 in the Polish annals “Rocznik kapituły krakowskiej” as one of the inhabited places of Halych-Volhynia.

    Khmelnytskyi – the earliest known mention in historical sources was in 1431, when it was known as Płoskirów and was part of the Kingdom of Poland.

    Zhytomyr was one of the prominent cities of Kievan Rus’ – a Russian town. Vinnytsia – a Lithuanian fortress. Bila Tserkva – founded in 1032, the city was named Yuriiv by Yaroslav the Wise, whose Christian name was Yuri – a Russian town.

    The first record about Cherkasy dates from 1305 in the Gustynskiy Chronicle, which is the Kyivan Rus chronicle – a Russian town. Chernihiv was first mentioned in the Rus’–Byzantine Treaty – i.e. a Russian town.

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