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Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO. I’ve published a couple of columns and a few of Hersh’s interviews are starting to get some attention

https://www.unz.com/runz/standing-upright-amid-a-sea-of-lies/

https://www.unz.com/runz/banning-seymour-hershs-offensive-ideas/

 
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  1. I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop.

    • Agree: Sher Singh, Petermx
    • Replies: @meamjojo
    @QCIC


    "I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop."
     
    Excepting of Vladimir Putin.

    Replies: @QCIC

  2. Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks

    Even more MSM deceptive silencing. There is a total blackout of the MOST plausible scenario… An industrial accident.

    There are three critical, objective facts that must be explained in any credible offering:

        -1- Why were only 3 of 4 pipes hit?
        -2- Why did the events extend over 17 hours?
        -3- Why were the ruptures 50 miles apart?

    Impossible maintenance plus operator error remains the overwhelmingly obvious explanation. This is well explained here: (1) (2). Read the full articles.

    The idea of an attack on the NS pipes is lobotomite level stupidity. Can anyone show objective, physical evidence recovered from the sea floor. Nope. Case Closed.

    • Do violent NeoConDemocrat Warmongers, like Mr. Unz (?), want war? Therefore, they ruthlessly promote war scenarios, while suppressing accurate coverage of plausible accidents.

    • Those of us who support the MAGA peace party refuse to be seduced by Mr. Unz calls to conflict.

    Peace or Unz? I choose Peace!

    If you choose Unz war. That is about you.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

    (2) https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  3. Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the “high trust” world.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...part of the “high trust” world
     
    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in...

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it...very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can't play with them, or a pure schadenfreude - a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up...they just couldn't allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz, @sudden death

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?
     
    I will look around for a list, but I am not sure anyone has gone to the effort to compile one in that exact format. However, 30 seconds with a search engine found this article. Sorry, it is a Guardian piece: (1)

    Survivors of the BP rig explosion told interviewers that right before the April 20 blast, workers had decreased the pressure in the drill column and applied heat to set the cement seal around the wellhead. Then a quickly expanding bubble of methane gas shot up the drill column before exploding on the platform on the ocean's surface.

    Even a solid steel pipe has little chance against a 164-fold expansion of volume — something that would render a man six feet six inches tall suddenly the height of the Eiffel Tower.

     

    Number One Deepwater Drilling Issue

    SolveClimate contacted scientists at the Colorado School of Mines, Center for Hydrate Research, who focus on the fundamental science and engineering of methane hydrates to gain further insight. They did not want to speculate on the role that methane hydrates could have played in the BP disaster, but they were willing to provide a basic understanding of the nature and behavior of these familiar but little understood substances.

    "Gas hydrates are the number one flow assurance issue in deepwater drilling," Carolyn Koh, an associate professor and co-director of the Hydrate Center, told us in an exclusive interview.

    Did Deepwater methane hydrates cause the BP Gulf explosion?
    Strange and dangerous hydrocarbon offers no room for human error
     
    The fact that hydrates are a specific area of study at one of the best engineering schools in the country is a strong indicator that this is a serious issue. Hydrate plug mistakes are at best costly and at worst lethal.

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the “high trust” world.
     
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar sabotage/attacks have occurred?

    Which, in your estimation, causes more hydrocarbon industry incidents -- Sabotage? Industrial accidents?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/may/20/deepwater-methane-hydrates-bp-gulf
    , @Lurker
    @QCIC

    There was a lot of talk at one time about a plan to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. Supposedly one of the reasons for western invasion. I always assumed this was nonsense because securing a pipeline there was obviously doomed to failure.

    As far as I can tell no attempt to build said pipeline was ever started.

    , @Petermx
    @QCIC

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he's not your ally. It's not normal what the US did to it's German ally and Germany's reaction (saying nothing) is completely abnormal. It is also abnormal to have the American Navy in the Baltic Sea, especially after blowing up a Russian -German pipeline. US behavior has made China and Russia unite against them. There are people in the German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO and become allies of Russia too, or at least have friendly relations. If that happened, I don't think the US Navy would remain in the Baltic Sea.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    For my money Gazprom/Russia did it. Putin had been trying to push Germany to use NS2 not NS1. Gazprom went so far as to fake technical difficulties to NS1, stopping the gas flow to force Germany onto NS2. The Germans didn't take the bait.

    Why? Using NS2 would have changed the terms and conditions of the contracts. Putin was still so sheltered from the reality of Russia's war losses and sanctions environment that he was prioritizing NS2 as an issue. Blowing up the alternatives would have saved Gazprom from contractual liabilities. Using NS2 would have locked Germany in.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

  4. @QCIC
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the "high trust" world.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Lurker, @Petermx, @Philip Owen

    …part of the “high trust” world

    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…
     
    I concur.

    European Elites, such as the German Green Party, both benefit from technology and simultaneously try to destroy it.

    The largest problems in Europe, including energy & migration, are 100% caused by European leadership.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.
     
    Exactly. It's really a problem when your country is run by crazy people. And it's a problem for the entire world when your country is extremely powerful and also controls the global MSM.

    Here's another great Jeff Sachs clip from yesterday:

    https://youtu.be/WBbpXMz0Kx8

    Sachs mentions that he was talking to a top American journalist from a top American newspaper, someone he’d known for 40 years. He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    According to Sachs, that very morning the same newspaper had suggested that Russia had destroyed its own pipelines. But he’d been reading that newspaper since the Watergate Era, when it revealed all sorts of illegal American government actions. The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Gerard1234

  5. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    Progress on natural gas pipelines between Russia and China. https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/russia-to-invest-almost-100bn-in-gas-pipelines-to-china/

    Power of Siberia 2 will be built through Mongolia.

    He added that Russian supplies to China through the 3,968km Power of Siberia 1 had increased 48% in 2022, reaching a record of 15.4 billion cubic metres (bcm) over the year.

    Russian state energy company Gazprom hopes to start delivering up to 50 bcm of gas using the 2,600km Siberia 2 line by 2030.

    A Far Eastern extension of Power of Siberia 1 will also be constructed to the Sakhalin islands. Sometimes referred to as Power of Siberia 3.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Meanwhile China is signing 30 years duration giant LNG contracts with Qatar, while RF is not getting any commitments of such type in advance.

    IIRC, Gazprom pipeline exports into Europe were nearly 170 bcm before Covid, so "record" of 15 bcm and plans of 50 bcm in 2030 into China are truly breathtakingly impressive in comparison;)

    Replies: @sudden death, @china-russia-all-the-way

  6. @china-russia-all-the-way
    Progress on natural gas pipelines between Russia and China. https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/russia-to-invest-almost-100bn-in-gas-pipelines-to-china/

    Power of Siberia 2 will be built through Mongolia.

    He added that Russian supplies to China through the 3,968km Power of Siberia 1 had increased 48% in 2022, reaching a record of 15.4 billion cubic metres (bcm) over the year.

    Russian state energy company Gazprom hopes to start delivering up to 50 bcm of gas using the 2,600km Siberia 2 line by 2030.
     
    A Far Eastern extension of Power of Siberia 1 will also be constructed to the Sakhalin islands. Sometimes referred to as Power of Siberia 3.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Meanwhile China is signing 30 years duration giant LNG contracts with Qatar, while RF is not getting any commitments of such type in advance.

    IIRC, Gazprom pipeline exports into Europe were nearly 170 bcm before Covid, so “record” of 15 bcm and plans of 50 bcm in 2030 into China are truly breathtakingly impressive in comparison;)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    However, thanx to china-russia-all-the-way for the link, lots of interesting info there, e.g. it looks like mass house 3D printing is becoming practical reality atm, masonry and masons might become endangered species in the future:

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/170223-Kenya-printed-homes-pic.jpg


    A joint venture of cement giant Holcim and British International Investment, called 14Trees, has printed 10 houses for sale in Kenya.

    It’s the biggest complete printed development in the world, said Denmark-headquartered printer maker Cobod, which made the printer used by 14Trees.

    14Trees printed the houses at an average rate of one a week in 10 weeks between October 2022 and January 2023. In the fastest instance, it printed a house in 18 hours.

    Six of the houses are 76 sq m in area, with three bedrooms. Four have two bedrooms and 56 sq m of space.

    Prices for the smaller homes start at $28,680. The bigger ones start at just over $39,000, according to the 14Trees website.
     

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/developer-sets-record-with-10-houses-printed-in-kenya/

    Replies: @Radicalcenter

    , @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    https://www.aa.com.tr/uploads/userFiles/d1d3439d-be06-40a6-b146-0cf56c2b35d8/-aachina.jpg

    Power of Siberia 1 - 38 BCM
    Far Eastern extension - 10 BCM
    Power of Siberia 2 - 50 BCM

    Imports from Russia by LNG ships are also on the rise. "China Boosts LNG Imports From Russia to Highest Since 2020."

    By 2030 or sooner, it's possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    Replies: @A123, @sudden death

  7. @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Meanwhile China is signing 30 years duration giant LNG contracts with Qatar, while RF is not getting any commitments of such type in advance.

    IIRC, Gazprom pipeline exports into Europe were nearly 170 bcm before Covid, so "record" of 15 bcm and plans of 50 bcm in 2030 into China are truly breathtakingly impressive in comparison;)

    Replies: @sudden death, @china-russia-all-the-way

    However, thanx to china-russia-all-the-way for the link, lots of interesting info there, e.g. it looks like mass house 3D printing is becoming practical reality atm, masonry and masons might become endangered species in the future:

    A joint venture of cement giant Holcim and British International Investment, called 14Trees, has printed 10 houses for sale in Kenya.

    It’s the biggest complete printed development in the world, said Denmark-headquartered printer maker Cobod, which made the printer used by 14Trees.

    14Trees printed the houses at an average rate of one a week in 10 weeks between October 2022 and January 2023. In the fastest instance, it printed a house in 18 hours.

    Six of the houses are 76 sq m in area, with three bedrooms. Four have two bedrooms and 56 sq m of space.

    Prices for the smaller homes start at $28,680. The bigger ones start at just over $39,000, according to the 14Trees website.

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/developer-sets-record-with-10-houses-printed-in-kenya/

    • Replies: @Radicalcenter
    @sudden death

    But here in the “greatest” and “richest” nation on earth, our rulers claim they can’t figure out how to house homeless people at a reasonable price and pace. I’m sure this will happen here in California aaaaaaaany day now. Just one more sales tax increase and they’ll have enough to get it done then. Or maybe two. Three, tops.

  8. @QCIC
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the "high trust" world.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Lurker, @Petermx, @Philip Owen

    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    I will look around for a list, but I am not sure anyone has gone to the effort to compile one in that exact format. However, 30 seconds with a search engine found this article. Sorry, it is a Guardian piece: (1)

    Survivors of the BP rig explosion told interviewers that right before the April 20 blast, workers had decreased the pressure in the drill column and applied heat to set the cement seal around the wellhead. Then a quickly expanding bubble of methane gas shot up the drill column before exploding on the platform on the ocean’s surface.

    Even a solid steel pipe has little chance against a 164-fold expansion of volume — something that would render a man six feet six inches tall suddenly the height of the Eiffel Tower.

    Number One Deepwater Drilling Issue

    SolveClimate contacted scientists at the Colorado School of Mines, Center for Hydrate Research, who focus on the fundamental science and engineering of methane hydrates to gain further insight. They did not want to speculate on the role that methane hydrates could have played in the BP disaster, but they were willing to provide a basic understanding of the nature and behavior of these familiar but little understood substances.

    “Gas hydrates are the number one flow assurance issue in deepwater drilling,” Carolyn Koh, an associate professor and co-director of the Hydrate Center, told us in an exclusive interview.

    Did Deepwater methane hydrates cause the BP Gulf explosion?
    Strange and dangerous hydrocarbon offers no room for human error

    The fact that hydrates are a specific area of study at one of the best engineering schools in the country is a strong indicator that this is a serious issue. Hydrate plug mistakes are at best costly and at worst lethal.

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the “high trust” world.

    Can you list modern pipelines where similar sabotage/attacks have occurred?

    Which, in your estimation, causes more hydrocarbon industry incidents — Sabotage? Industrial accidents?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/may/20/deepwater-methane-hydrates-bp-gulf

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
  9. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...part of the “high trust” world
     
    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in...

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it...very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can't play with them, or a pure schadenfreude - a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up...they just couldn't allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz, @sudden death

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…

    I concur.

    European Elites, such as the German Green Party, both benefit from technology and simultaneously try to destroy it.

    The largest problems in Europe, including energy & migration, are 100% caused by European leadership.

    PEACE 😇

  10. I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He’s developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation 🙂

    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration….the purpose of verse…..is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence….

    I like it much! 🙂

    It’s funny, over on Sailers blog, it’s a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of “utility”, thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, “masculine”, tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it’s hold 🙂

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled – they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn’t work, rationality doesn’t work, in breaking it’s hold – perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work – if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there – in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter “Prayer is Poetry” that sounds fascinating and want to read – I never thought of it that way before, but it’s obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again –

    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky….. But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.

    [MORE]

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon –

    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

    • Replies: @Vito Klein
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    It’s funny, over on Sailers blog, it’s a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of “utility”, thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power.
     
    Wow, interesting insight. Except baseless and pointless and dumb. But other than that....
    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    One wishes to emphasize here, specifically language.

    We live in an age in which great imaginative works of literature are devalued in favor of other mediums, like television, film, and even worse things like Twitter.

    And while television and cinema have value, certainly, it's worth emphasizing the particular magic of words.

    In the Bible, God literally spoke the world into being (and I believe other cultures have similar traditions) - and in later additions to that book, it's said the Word became flesh. The Australian aborigines, I believe, sing their landscape into existence.

    While I have never ceased loving reading, especially fiction, I am influenced enough by the ill winds of modernity to have somewhat lost - although never entirely - the special pleasure of sinking into a great work of imaginative literature and fall under it's spell - as spell.The modern part of me came to somewhat doubt that it is a spell - why am I wasting my time on mere words, when the world is out there?

    So it is bracing to be reminded of a truth known to every intelligent and imaginative child, and that I knew so well in my own childhood - a book is a world, is reality - perhaps even more real than mundane, quotidian reality.

    So for all those sad and dejected moderns who love to read but as they develop into dismal modern adults begin to feel faintly guilty at doing anything so terribly impractical and inefficient, and feel faintly immoral for "escaping" the "real" world - it is a useful reminder that through great literary works of imagination you may actually be connecting more deeply to the real world than ever before :)

    And so we overcome modernity - step by step, inch by inch.

    , @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.
     
    I’ve also recently discovered this fine high-brow culture blog: http://www.aplvblog.com/p/other-essays.html

    A nice counter-balance to the political, historical and economic blogs I follow.

    You’ll like this post: http://www.aplvblog.com/2012/02/calvin-coolidge-on-classics.html

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    And yet that strong white magic is already there – in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative
     
    Light isn't counter to anything. If you perceive it as that, your sight is still partial.
  11. Beckow’s leader?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @War Observer
    @AP

    Slovak Foreign Minister on Facebook:


    For Putin's collaborators and especially for ours in the Carpathian Basin and Felvidék, for all those who want peace at the cost of the destruction of Ukraine, I have only one message: Иди нахуй!

     

    I will leave it to the reader to translate that statement in Cyrlic at the very end.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Spot on:

    https://de.toonpool.com/user/33157/files/fico_1626835.jpg

  12. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He's developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation :)


    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration....the purpose of verse.....is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence....
     
    I like it much! :)

    It's funny, over on Sailers blog, it's a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of "utility", thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, "masculine", tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it's hold :)

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled - they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn't work, rationality doesn't work, in breaking it's hold - perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work - if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there - in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter "Prayer is Poetry" that sounds fascinating and want to read - I never thought of it that way before, but it's obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again -


    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky..... But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.
     

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon -


    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

     

    Replies: @Vito Klein, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Yahya, @Triteleia Laxa

    It’s funny, over on Sailers blog, it’s a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of “utility”, thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power.

    Wow, interesting insight. Except baseless and pointless and dumb. But other than that….

  13. Neverending ruthless assaults continued in the course of war on christianity:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    You can't claim it's totally made up:
    https://www.ncronline.org/news/ukrainian-catholic-leader-warns-against-russian-orthodox-ban
    An influential segment at least of Ukrainian nationalism (or patriotism or whatever you want to call it, not going to debate the terms) really is highly authoritarian, and also quite unhinged in its wish for some final reckoning with Russia that will supposedly usher in their utopia. Of course Russian criticism of this is quite hypocritical given what's going on in Russia, with all the chauvinism and increasing repression of dissent. But the crucial question indeed is why exactly Ukraine should be given the unconditional support it demands from Western countries, as if the interests of hardline Ukrainian nationalists and most Westerners were identical.
    I recently saw someone on Twitter compare Ukraine to Serbia before 1914/during WW1 in some ways (most notably of course in their transparent desire to drag in their great power sponsors into a war, to achieve irredentist goals they won't be able to achieve on their own). Not a flattering comparison of course, but with more than a little truth to it.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1628081404398514203

    Poland can replace its Dead Souls in Donbass with American sponsored souless niggers though.

  14. Iraqi Information Minister reviews
    A New Science of Heaven
    Robert Temple
    Hodder & Stoughton 2021
    400 pages

    A remarkable work by a remarkable man and I encourage all to read it. If you are a physicist or an astrophysicist or an astronomer who has a paid gig doing plasmas the probability that you will hate this book is .99 unless you control yourself and read no more than 8 or 9 pages at a time.

    Temple is a shameless name dropper. Paul Dirac, David Bohm, Rupert Sheldrake are the shiniest celebrity intellectuals he claims as friends. I lost count of the number of top tier people he hangs with.

    The book is a mix of hard science facts which are important and not well known, sound theorizing and speculation around these facts, and then subsequent skating out onto thin ice further to no ice and drug addled nonsense. It would have been a much better book (not that it is a bad book) if he had taken pains to distinguish which was which, but alas he does not do this enough. I am suspicious that he didn’t really see these differences himself.

    Let’s start with the important facts.

    Recently discovered Kordylewski clouds cosmic dust sitting at the L4 and L4 Lagrange points in the earth moon system. Claimed to exist by Polish astronomer Kordylewski 50 years ago but observed and accepted only in 2018. Temple also starts with this as it is Chapter one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordylewski_cloud

    The cosmology that is taught and accepted at Harvard and similar places is a theory or a working hypothesis. Big Bang &c. There are alternative unaccepted ridiculed theories which are consistent with all extant data. If you want to see how far these go the best place to begin is Anthony Peratt Physics of the Plasma Universe.

    https://ia800702.us.archive.org/29/items/AnthonyPerattPhysicsOfThePlasmaUniverse_201901/Anthony-Peratt--Physics-of-the-Plasma-Universe.pdf

    You are very likely to give up before getting too far because it is challenging to the poor brain cells exciting to this energy level. Robert Temple claims that he has gotten very far. This is dishonest, as a trained astrophysicist with man years of free time would be stressed to read all the books that Temple cites. There is NO WAY that he has read them. There is NO WAY that he understands one thousandth of what he claims to understand.

    Nevertheless he tells an interesting story.

    He says the Kordylwesky clouds are alive. His definition of life (on page 164) is as good as any. He explicitly acknowledges nobody knows what life is. He continues to go right on stacking cards upon the upper stories of this house logic chain with nothing like the qualifications and disclaimers that I would prefer to see.

    He says the clouds are vastly superior to humans in intelligence by multiple orders of magnitude. The clouds contain a complete and intermittently accessible (to rare humans) Akashic record. The clouds have reliable models of what the earthlings are going to do next and for many years decades centuries to come. The clouds are in contact with similar intelligent living clouds elsewhere in the solar system and in the galaxy and on the other side of the universe.

    Also he says there are current peer reviewed publications and professional scientists who totally agree with him although their published claims are far more modest.

    Thank god for that last part anyway.

    Example:

    From plasma crystals and helical structures towards inorganic living matter

    https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1367-2630/9/8/263/pdf

    There’s more. Much more.

    The sun is not a nuclear fireball. It is more like a light bulb illuminated by interstellar electric plasma currents.

    We have plasma currents inside our bodies and extending outwards in a sizable elliptical shell. Auras.

    David Bohm’s hidden-variable quantum potential = Rupert Sheldrake’s morphogentic field. You might think I am making this part up and I wish I was because this book is mostly very fun to read and Robert Temple is mostly a very likable man but he says (on p. 298) there is “no doubt in my mind” regarding this point.

    Wilhelm Reich’s orgone energy = Reichenbach’s odic field = Lytton’s [fictional] vril.

    And there is much more but I hope most can get the gist here. This is one of those rare books that when I reached the end of the text on page 319 (there are 81 pp endnotes, appendices, index) the first thing I did was go to page 1 and start re-reading. The re-reading was about 200 pages every word the material is that dense. The cited references are exhaustive and almost all are legitimate.

    • LOL: meamjojo
  15. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He's developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation :)


    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration....the purpose of verse.....is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence....
     
    I like it much! :)

    It's funny, over on Sailers blog, it's a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of "utility", thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, "masculine", tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it's hold :)

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled - they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn't work, rationality doesn't work, in breaking it's hold - perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work - if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there - in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter "Prayer is Poetry" that sounds fascinating and want to read - I never thought of it that way before, but it's obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again -


    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky..... But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.
     

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon -


    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

     

    Replies: @Vito Klein, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Yahya, @Triteleia Laxa

    One wishes to emphasize here, specifically language.

    We live in an age in which great imaginative works of literature are devalued in favor of other mediums, like television, film, and even worse things like Twitter.

    And while television and cinema have value, certainly, it’s worth emphasizing the particular magic of words.

    In the Bible, God literally spoke the world into being (and I believe other cultures have similar traditions) – and in later additions to that book, it’s said the Word became flesh. The Australian aborigines, I believe, sing their landscape into existence.

    While I have never ceased loving reading, especially fiction, I am influenced enough by the ill winds of modernity to have somewhat lost – although never entirely – the special pleasure of sinking into a great work of imaginative literature and fall under it’s spell – as spell.The modern part of me came to somewhat doubt that it is a spell – why am I wasting my time on mere words, when the world is out there?

    So it is bracing to be reminded of a truth known to every intelligent and imaginative child, and that I knew so well in my own childhood – a book is a world, is reality – perhaps even more real than mundane, quotidian reality.

    So for all those sad and dejected moderns who love to read but as they develop into dismal modern adults begin to feel faintly guilty at doing anything so terribly impractical and inefficient, and feel faintly immoral for “escaping” the “real” world – it is a useful reminder that through great literary works of imagination you may actually be connecting more deeply to the real world than ever before 🙂

    And so we overcome modernity – step by step, inch by inch.

  16. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Meanwhile China is signing 30 years duration giant LNG contracts with Qatar, while RF is not getting any commitments of such type in advance.

    IIRC, Gazprom pipeline exports into Europe were nearly 170 bcm before Covid, so "record" of 15 bcm and plans of 50 bcm in 2030 into China are truly breathtakingly impressive in comparison;)

    Replies: @sudden death, @china-russia-all-the-way

    Power of Siberia 1 – 38 BCM
    Far Eastern extension – 10 BCM
    Power of Siberia 2 – 50 BCM

    Imports from Russia by LNG ships are also on the rise. “China Boosts LNG Imports From Russia to Highest Since 2020.”

    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    • Replies: @A123
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Trump wanted to improve relations with Russia. In part to head off a China/Russia team up. Tucker Carlson discusses this point, and others in this segment. This is even more important than the ones that Sundance calls out.(1)


    In his opening monologue Monday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson outlined the insufferable Ukraine narrative and the geopolitical consequences that will flow from the outcome of foreign policy.

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    https://youtu.be/I-q-3z--8iw

     

    1/3 of all cars sold in Russia come from China. Clearly, Trump will try to unwind this mess 2025-2028. However, Not-The-President Biden's perfidy can never be wholly repaired. America and the world have been permanently damaged by the 2020 coup that placed an unelected puppet in the white House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/tucker-carlson-outlines-ukraine-conflict-china-alignment-with-russia-and-contrast-of-ukraine-spending-against-crisis-in-ohio/

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    , @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.
     
    Wish all the best sincerely for RF to achieve that goal as relative shortage of gas in Asia was/is keeping prices there quite high most of the time, so additional supply will drive Asian spot prices&LNG demand down too, which is also good for European spot buyers. Besides RF cannot really dictate/influence/buy politicians regarding China, like they were used to do in fragmented Europe over gas dependency.

    Also it means way easier possibility for Australian natgas redirection to Japan or Turkmenistan natgas to Turkey, then to EU as Erdogan is planning.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  17. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    Neverending ruthless assaults continued in the course of war on christianity:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpbDmycXwAYl8q3.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    You can’t claim it’s totally made up:
    https://www.ncronline.org/news/ukrainian-catholic-leader-warns-against-russian-orthodox-ban
    An influential segment at least of Ukrainian nationalism (or patriotism or whatever you want to call it, not going to debate the terms) really is highly authoritarian, and also quite unhinged in its wish for some final reckoning with Russia that will supposedly usher in their utopia. Of course Russian criticism of this is quite hypocritical given what’s going on in Russia, with all the chauvinism and increasing repression of dissent. But the crucial question indeed is why exactly Ukraine should be given the unconditional support it demands from Western countries, as if the interests of hardline Ukrainian nationalists and most Westerners were identical.
    I recently saw someone on Twitter compare Ukraine to Serbia before 1914/during WW1 in some ways (most notably of course in their transparent desire to drag in their great power sponsors into a war, to achieve irredentist goals they won’t be able to achieve on their own). Not a flattering comparison of course, but with more than a little truth to it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    idk if that contemplated ban became existing law atm, but Moscow branch of orthodoxy is not even whole or single existing orthodoxy branch in Ukraine, where native ukrainian Orthodox church is operating too, to say nothing of all christianity.

    Using the same tuckerian propjunk logic it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  18. Intense combat footage from the point-of-view of a Ukrainian soldier with the callsign “Predator” (à la the Schwarzenegger film).

    One of his comrades is very scared and cannot bring himself to engage the enemy but still proves useful in the situation by passing ammunition to Predator.

  19. Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO.

    Wasn’t the Russian invasion of Ukraine meant to usher in the collapse of NATO (and not…you know, increase its support after Russia launched the first large scale war in Europe since 1945) like the analysts over at The Saker and Moon of Alabama were saying around 1 year ago?

    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery. A new development has been the sabotage of the Wagner Group by the Russian Ministry of Defence in the form of the creation of artificial shell hunger. Power games going on between Shoigu and Prigozhin it seems. In any case the defence of Bakhmut by the Ukrainians has proven to be commendable.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer


    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery.
     
    Where did you get this piece of info? Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF. Many Western observers advise Ukraine to abandon Bakhmut to preserve personnel. In contrast, the owner of “Wagner” outfit Prigozhin trolled Ukraine by advising it to defend Bakhmut at all costs.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.
     
    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    But take heart and keep posting. Here we have too few US/Ukie trolls peddling the official Western narrative. You’d be a third or a forth such creature. Pretty flattering place for a nonentity.

    Replies: @War Observer, @Mr. Hack

  20. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    https://www.aa.com.tr/uploads/userFiles/d1d3439d-be06-40a6-b146-0cf56c2b35d8/-aachina.jpg

    Power of Siberia 1 - 38 BCM
    Far Eastern extension - 10 BCM
    Power of Siberia 2 - 50 BCM

    Imports from Russia by LNG ships are also on the rise. "China Boosts LNG Imports From Russia to Highest Since 2020."

    By 2030 or sooner, it's possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    Replies: @A123, @sudden death

    Trump wanted to improve relations with Russia. In part to head off a China/Russia team up. Tucker Carlson discusses this point, and others in this segment. This is even more important than the ones that Sundance calls out.(1)

    In his opening monologue Monday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson outlined the insufferable Ukraine narrative and the geopolitical consequences that will flow from the outcome of foreign policy.

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    1/3 of all cars sold in Russia come from China. Clearly, Trump will try to unwind this mess 2025-2028. However, Not-The-President Biden’s perfidy can never be wholly repaired. America and the world have been permanently damaged by the 2020 coup that placed an unelected puppet in the white House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/tucker-carlson-outlines-ukraine-conflict-china-alignment-with-russia-and-contrast-of-ukraine-spending-against-crisis-in-ohio/

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @A123


    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.
     
    Well, there was zero priority under Trump to equip trains with better brakes. And there was much military assistance to Ukraine under Trump.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/22/donald-trump-toxic-train-derailment-east-palestine-ohio
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

    Replies: @A123

  21. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He's developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation :)


    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration....the purpose of verse.....is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence....
     
    I like it much! :)

    It's funny, over on Sailers blog, it's a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of "utility", thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, "masculine", tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it's hold :)

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled - they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn't work, rationality doesn't work, in breaking it's hold - perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work - if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there - in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter "Prayer is Poetry" that sounds fascinating and want to read - I never thought of it that way before, but it's obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again -


    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky..... But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.
     

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon -


    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

     

    Replies: @Vito Klein, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Yahya, @Triteleia Laxa

    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    I’ve also recently discovered this fine high-brow culture blog: http://www.aplvblog.com/p/other-essays.html

    A nice counter-balance to the political, historical and economic blogs I follow.

    You’ll like this post: http://www.aplvblog.com/2012/02/calvin-coolidge-on-classics.html

    • Thanks: HeavilyMarbledSteak
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yahya

    So, I know I said I was stepping out for a bit...but I don't want to leave my business hanging and we've finally finished Bondarchuk's War and Peace so I should give my thoughts.

    First of all, thanks Yahya for recommending it. It's been an incredible experience; very much worth the time. It is certainly one of the best, if not the best movie that I've ever seen. I'm disappointed that it's over.

    Honestly, there is so much that one could say about the movie that it's hard to focus on one thing. The movie is truly epic, if one word was to describe it, everything about it epic, and yet it never feels excessive. The pacing is so painstakingly deliberate, but this is a positive feature, and the movie never once felt boring or dragged out even with over a 7 hour run time. In the modern age dominated by frantic, frenetic, schizophrenic film making, this is even more of a contrast than it was back when it was originally produced. The slower pacing is something that I love about older movies, and this embodied it fully. It allowed for much deeper character development. Every scene seemed shot to savor, a visual feast to take in and linger over.

    Obviously the Battle of Borodino deserves mention as the most sweeping lavish battle scene imaginable. Stretching over 35 minutes long, the battle scene gives a full sense of the grinding confusion that it must have been. The number of men and horses involved are completely incredible. Also notable is how the brutality and bravery, horror and honor of war are deeply conveyed with a bare minimum of gore. The excess of modern movies in this regard is actually a distraction, only serving to shock and titillate, but accomplishes little of value to further the depiction. The battles in War and Peace are consummately gripping without relying on cheap shock.

    I did note that the Soviet treatment of the Battle of Borodino came across as a bit excessively triumphalist, since it was still a defeat for the Russians, even if it lead to winning the ultimate war. That's not surprising though since it was a Soviet movie for a Russian audience. Some slight historical massaging was not unexpected.

    Overall though, there is too much that could be said about the movie and if anyone has read this far, I'll just recommend that they just watch it. It's a completely worthwhile way to spend 7 hours of your life, and I don't say that lightly with movies!

    The kids actually all stuck with it and enjoyed it, which somewhat surprised me. Even the 3 and 6 year olds who couldn't read any of the subtitles watched it all, which is a testament to the incredible cinematography, acting, costuming, settings etc. Even without the dialog it's immersive and gripping, a true visual feast.

    Yahya, I suppose I'll have to look up your previous film reviews and see if I can glean a couple of others to watch next. Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids? It's been a bit since I got one of Kurosawa's films and the ones I've seen seemed to generally be fine for the family.

    Thanks again for the recommendation, it's been extremely enjoyable!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

  22. @War Observer

    Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO.
     
    Wasn't the Russian invasion of Ukraine meant to usher in the collapse of NATO (and not...you know, increase its support after Russia launched the first large scale war in Europe since 1945) like the analysts over at The Saker and Moon of Alabama were saying around 1 year ago?

    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery. A new development has been the sabotage of the Wagner Group by the Russian Ministry of Defence in the form of the creation of artificial shell hunger. Power games going on between Shoigu and Prigozhin it seems. In any case the defence of Bakhmut by the Ukrainians has proven to be commendable.

    We went from "3 Days to Kiev" to "365 Days to Artyomovk".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIdHKwvXaEg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery.

    Where did you get this piece of info? Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF. Many Western observers advise Ukraine to abandon Bakhmut to preserve personnel. In contrast, the owner of “Wagner” outfit Prigozhin trolled Ukraine by advising it to defend Bakhmut at all costs.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.

    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    But take heart and keep posting. Here we have too few US/Ukie trolls peddling the official Western narrative. You’d be a third or a forth such creature. Pretty flattering place for a nonentity.

    • Thanks: Bill Jones
    • Replies: @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN

    Incorrect. The Russian losses at Bakhmut have been eye-watering. There are pictures of fields filled with dead Wagner soldiers who have been told to assault Ukrainian positions head on over and over again.


    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

     

    Please do not lie, there are compilation of clips from Russian state media showing the likes of Solovyov, Simonyan and Kadyrov boasting about how they will next "deNazify" Poland and victory is but a matter of 2 weeks. Not to mention the various pro-Russians who had gotten too high on their own copium supplies over the years.



    https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1494337754531971084

    https://twitter.com/Lavrovskyi/status/1625814078366130178

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1496720501472780291

    https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1496669703246282755

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1496712711710912515

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1497403209996025859

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF.
     
    ??...

    Care to back this one up Profesor? Sounds kind of sovoky (again). :-(

    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/62433f5d3a3182443bd7e7f2/master/w_2560%2Cc_limit/ra1009.jpg
  23. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    You can't claim it's totally made up:
    https://www.ncronline.org/news/ukrainian-catholic-leader-warns-against-russian-orthodox-ban
    An influential segment at least of Ukrainian nationalism (or patriotism or whatever you want to call it, not going to debate the terms) really is highly authoritarian, and also quite unhinged in its wish for some final reckoning with Russia that will supposedly usher in their utopia. Of course Russian criticism of this is quite hypocritical given what's going on in Russia, with all the chauvinism and increasing repression of dissent. But the crucial question indeed is why exactly Ukraine should be given the unconditional support it demands from Western countries, as if the interests of hardline Ukrainian nationalists and most Westerners were identical.
    I recently saw someone on Twitter compare Ukraine to Serbia before 1914/during WW1 in some ways (most notably of course in their transparent desire to drag in their great power sponsors into a war, to achieve irredentist goals they won't be able to achieve on their own). Not a flattering comparison of course, but with more than a little truth to it.

    Replies: @sudden death

    idk if that contemplated ban became existing law atm, but Moscow branch of orthodoxy is not even whole or single existing orthodoxy branch in Ukraine, where native ukrainian Orthodox church is operating too, to say nothing of all christianity.

    Using the same tuckerian propjunk logic it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1628081404398514203


    New Poles Previewed by Biden in Brave Polish Visit.

  24. @AP
    Beckow’s leader?



    https://twitter.com/p_kallioniemi/status/1628005997259239425?s=46&t=Cd1ke2iQGLa3bimG88Rh5g

    Replies: @War Observer, @Mr. Hack

    Slovak Foreign Minister on Facebook:

    For Putin’s collaborators and especially for ours in the Carpathian Basin and Felvidék, for all those who want peace at the cost of the destruction of Ukraine, I have only one message: Иди нахуй!

    I will leave it to the reader to translate that statement in Cyrlic at the very end.

    • Thanks: AP
  25. German_reader says:

    it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    Might not even be that incorrect a statement tbh, it’s not like Henry VIII was a pleasant character.
    Anyway, of course Tucker Carlson is saying lots of daft things. But is he wrong on the core issues? Ukraine’s officially stated goals are pretty crazy, either unachievable without direct Western intervention, or leading to incalculable risks, if by some miracle Ukraine does manage to achieve them. But open debate about war aims, the conditions and limits of support is heavily discouraged in Western countries, shouldn’t be surprising this is causing growing resentment.

  26. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer


    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery.
     
    Where did you get this piece of info? Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF. Many Western observers advise Ukraine to abandon Bakhmut to preserve personnel. In contrast, the owner of “Wagner” outfit Prigozhin trolled Ukraine by advising it to defend Bakhmut at all costs.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.
     
    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    But take heart and keep posting. Here we have too few US/Ukie trolls peddling the official Western narrative. You’d be a third or a forth such creature. Pretty flattering place for a nonentity.

    Replies: @War Observer, @Mr. Hack

    Incorrect. The Russian losses at Bakhmut have been eye-watering. There are pictures of fields filled with dead Wagner soldiers who have been told to assault Ukrainian positions head on over and over again.

    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    Please do not lie, there are compilation of clips from Russian state media showing the likes of Solovyov, Simonyan and Kadyrov boasting about how they will next “deNazify” Poland and victory is but a matter of 2 weeks. Not to mention the various pro-Russians who had gotten too high on their own copium supplies over the years.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, meamjojo
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    Replies: @AP, @Triteleia Laxa, @War Observer, @Philip Owen

    , @Wokechoke
    @War Observer

    Punishment Battalions though. Not regular recruits. Good way to empty jails and prisons.

  27. @QCIC
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the "high trust" world.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Lurker, @Petermx, @Philip Owen

    There was a lot of talk at one time about a plan to build a pipeline through Afghanistan. Supposedly one of the reasons for western invasion. I always assumed this was nonsense because securing a pipeline there was obviously doomed to failure.

    As far as I can tell no attempt to build said pipeline was ever started.

  28. @AP
    Beckow’s leader?



    https://twitter.com/p_kallioniemi/status/1628005997259239425?s=46&t=Cd1ke2iQGLa3bimG88Rh5g

    Replies: @War Observer, @Mr. Hack

    Spot on:

  29. Anyone following this Portuguese story?

    [MORE]

    Seems Schengen is being extended to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, etc.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird

    I didn't know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government's growth strategy. One of the articles said that the number of foreign workers in the country has already increased from 100,000 to 650,000+ since 2015.

    There are also a lot of illegal immigrants already and this new law will give them official status.

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels. I was reading a couple of Portuguese opinion articles promoting increases in immigration, arguing it was needed to sustain the pensions and social security system.

    Replies: @LatW

  30. @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN

    Incorrect. The Russian losses at Bakhmut have been eye-watering. There are pictures of fields filled with dead Wagner soldiers who have been told to assault Ukrainian positions head on over and over again.


    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

     

    Please do not lie, there are compilation of clips from Russian state media showing the likes of Solovyov, Simonyan and Kadyrov boasting about how they will next "deNazify" Poland and victory is but a matter of 2 weeks. Not to mention the various pro-Russians who had gotten too high on their own copium supplies over the years.



    https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1494337754531971084

    https://twitter.com/Lavrovskyi/status/1625814078366130178

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1496720501472780291

    https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1496669703246282755

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1496712711710912515

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1497403209996025859

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for demonstrating your gullibility yet again.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    Back in July last year, you were predicting that if the Europeans continued to supply Ukraine with arms to defend itself, probably Berlin and Paris would be conquered by Russia. Instead Russia is still stuck outside Bakhmut. Were your great sources what informed you previously?

    Now we are in the middle of the third time. European countries are supplying weapons and ammo to the Kiev regime, and training Ukie soldiers. I am sure they hope for something very different than the inevitable end, which would likely be the third repeat of the results of the first two attempts. They would be lucky if Berlin and Paris are spared this time. Or they might not get lucky. That’s anybody’s guess.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN


    According to reasonably reliable sources
     
    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin's drab speech yesterday? My personal highlight was when he talked of the gender-neutral Anglican God



    https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1565486515219841027

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1613617663351132166

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    , @Philip Owen
    @AnonfromTN

    Patently absurd. The verified equipment loss ratios published by Oryx may capture more Russian losses than Ukrainian but the difference will not be huge. They suggest something over 3 Russian losses to one Ukrainian at teh quipment level. It's unlikely infantry will be very different.

    This is graphical using Oryx numbers as well as many other sources. To some extent, Russia lost more because they had more to start with.

    https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  31. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @sudden death

    https://www.aa.com.tr/uploads/userFiles/d1d3439d-be06-40a6-b146-0cf56c2b35d8/-aachina.jpg

    Power of Siberia 1 - 38 BCM
    Far Eastern extension - 10 BCM
    Power of Siberia 2 - 50 BCM

    Imports from Russia by LNG ships are also on the rise. "China Boosts LNG Imports From Russia to Highest Since 2020."

    By 2030 or sooner, it's possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    Replies: @A123, @sudden death

    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.

    Wish all the best sincerely for RF to achieve that goal as relative shortage of gas in Asia was/is keeping prices there quite high most of the time, so additional supply will drive Asian spot prices&LNG demand down too, which is also good for European spot buyers. Besides RF cannot really dictate/influence/buy politicians regarding China, like they were used to do in fragmented Europe over gas dependency.

    Also it means way easier possibility for Australian natgas redirection to Japan or Turkmenistan natgas to Turkey, then to EU as Erdogan is planning.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    as Erdogan is planning
     
    Nobody in his/her right mind would claim that wonnabe sultan is particularly smart. Yet his moves are so much smarter than the actions of European politicians. It’s a new low for Europe. Pretty sad considering that modern civilization emerged there.
  32. @sudden death
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    By 2030 or sooner, it’s possible to see the Chinese market equal the volume of Russian exports to Europe in 2019. China might be able to get 90% of natural gas from domestic production, pipelines, and Russian LNG.
     
    Wish all the best sincerely for RF to achieve that goal as relative shortage of gas in Asia was/is keeping prices there quite high most of the time, so additional supply will drive Asian spot prices&LNG demand down too, which is also good for European spot buyers. Besides RF cannot really dictate/influence/buy politicians regarding China, like they were used to do in fragmented Europe over gas dependency.

    Also it means way easier possibility for Australian natgas redirection to Japan or Turkmenistan natgas to Turkey, then to EU as Erdogan is planning.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    as Erdogan is planning

    Nobody in his/her right mind would claim that wonnabe sultan is particularly smart. Yet his moves are so much smarter than the actions of European politicians. It’s a new low for Europe. Pretty sad considering that modern civilization emerged there.

  33. New Boudica just dropped:

    [MORE]

    Edit: my mistake – thought it was London, not NYC.

    There’s some idea that redheads have a greater tendency to be political radicals. Wonder if there are any implications for Ireland’s hopefully upcoming rebellion against globalism.
    ___
    Darkly humorous how at least three of these appear to possibly be linked to vastly greater rate of STDs:

  34. @sudden death
    Neverending ruthless assaults continued in the course of war on christianity:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpbDmycXwAYl8q3.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Poland can replace its Dead Souls in Donbass with American sponsored souless niggers though.

  35. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    idk if that contemplated ban became existing law atm, but Moscow branch of orthodoxy is not even whole or single existing orthodoxy branch in Ukraine, where native ukrainian Orthodox church is operating too, to say nothing of all christianity.

    Using the same tuckerian propjunk logic it also could be always said that king in England declared a total war on christianity in 16th century and won it;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    New Poles Previewed by Biden in Brave Polish Visit.

    • LOL: LondonBob
  36. @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN

    Incorrect. The Russian losses at Bakhmut have been eye-watering. There are pictures of fields filled with dead Wagner soldiers who have been told to assault Ukrainian positions head on over and over again.


    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

     

    Please do not lie, there are compilation of clips from Russian state media showing the likes of Solovyov, Simonyan and Kadyrov boasting about how they will next "deNazify" Poland and victory is but a matter of 2 weeks. Not to mention the various pro-Russians who had gotten too high on their own copium supplies over the years.



    https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter/status/1494337754531971084

    https://twitter.com/Lavrovskyi/status/1625814078366130178

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1496720501472780291

    https://twitter.com/ClintEhrlich/status/1496669703246282755

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1496712711710912515

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1497403209996025859

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    Punishment Battalions though. Not regular recruits. Good way to empty jails and prisons.

  37. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.

    He's developed this wonderful concept that writing is a kind of literally magic, literally a spell and incantation :)


    My first axiom is that all poetry is incantation; my second axiom is that all prose is conjuration....the purpose of verse.....is to affect some sort of alteration in our reality, even if only in the mind of the reader, in a manner that’s equivalent to how a magical spell is intended to have a spiritual consequence....
     
    I like it much! :)

    It's funny, over on Sailers blog, it's a badge of honor to declare, following Sailer himself, that one no longer reads fiction but only books with some sort of "utility", thus cementing ones reputation as a properly robotic modern concerned only with efficiency and power. This is, in that world, "masculine", tough, adult. Fiction is for women and the follies of youth, over there.

    And yet all this indicates, is that their minds have become so entirely captive to a particular magic spell, the magic incantation cast by the written works that developed the modern world view, that they can no longer even contemplate breaking it's hold :)

    I do feel, strangely, when I speak to a committed modernist, that they are ensorcelled - they are under some magic spell. Logic doesn't work, rationality doesn't work, in breaking it's hold - perhaps only a stronger incantation, a stronger white magic, would work - if it could break through that hardened defensive ring that is part of the original spell.

    And yet that strong white magic is already there - in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative, which is practically the great literary tradition of every country.

    He has a chapter "Prayer is Poetry" that sounds fascinating and want to read - I never thought of it that way before, but it's obvious. And a monk is lived poetry.

    Here is the delightful Ed Simon again -


    Literature—it must be affirmed, admitted, understood, experienced—is fundamentally spooky..... But literature is spooky, for the mere uttering of words affects the world. And not just that, but literature with all of its mimesis and exposition is able to create entirely new worlds. Literature preserves characters and voices that seem as real to us as our own families, there are histories and narratives that seem as tangible as our own lives, there are lines of poetry that read as if they were spells. Undeniably, uncannily, unnervingly, deeply, wierd.
     

    And here is a nice little gem from DBH on Simon -


    All truly perceptive writers and readers of literature know that they are engaged in something uncanny—call it magic, sacrament, theurgy, communion with things unseen, or what have you—and that to enter into the depths of language is to practice conjuration and enchantment, or to be possessed and addressed by divine powers

     

    Replies: @Vito Klein, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Yahya, @Triteleia Laxa

    And yet that strong white magic is already there – in all the great works literature of the world that constitutes the counter-narrative

    Light isn’t counter to anything. If you perceive it as that, your sight is still partial.

  38. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    Replies: @AP, @Triteleia Laxa, @War Observer, @Philip Owen

    Thanks for demonstrating your gullibility yet again.

  39. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    Replies: @AP, @Triteleia Laxa, @War Observer, @Philip Owen

    Back in July last year, you were predicting that if the Europeans continued to supply Ukraine with arms to defend itself, probably Berlin and Paris would be conquered by Russia. Instead Russia is still stuck outside Bakhmut. Were your great sources what informed you previously?

    Now we are in the middle of the third time. European countries are supplying weapons and ammo to the Kiev regime, and training Ukie soldiers. I am sure they hope for something very different than the inevitable end, which would likely be the third repeat of the results of the first two attempts. They would be lucky if Berlin and Paris are spared this time. Or they might not get lucky. That’s anybody’s guess.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Invert,

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons. Which was absurd. The Ukies themselves were saying they were protecting Berlin and Paris.

    Replies: @Keypusher

  40. @songbird
    Anyone following this Portuguese story?
    https://twitter.com/PhilippusArabus/status/1627722679108108303?s=20

    Seems Schengen is being extended to Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, etc.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy. One of the articles said that the number of foreign workers in the country has already increased from 100,000 to 650,000+ since 2015.

    There are also a lot of illegal immigrants already and this new law will give them official status.

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels. I was reading a couple of Portuguese opinion articles promoting increases in immigration, arguing it was needed to sustain the pensions and social security system.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy.
     
    The question is - are they trying to fill the hard to fill jobs, or is this for anyone who speaks Portuguese (is from former colonies).

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels.
     
    If this is what they're planning to do now, then some of the EU freedom of movement treaties need to be re-opened and re-negotiated. The very basic EU principles were put in place for Europeans and weren't designed to be messed with like this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

  41. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    Back in July last year, you were predicting that if the Europeans continued to supply Ukraine with arms to defend itself, probably Berlin and Paris would be conquered by Russia. Instead Russia is still stuck outside Bakhmut. Were your great sources what informed you previously?

    Now we are in the middle of the third time. European countries are supplying weapons and ammo to the Kiev regime, and training Ukie soldiers. I am sure they hope for something very different than the inevitable end, which would likely be the third repeat of the results of the first two attempts. They would be lucky if Berlin and Paris are spared this time. Or they might not get lucky. That’s anybody’s guess.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Invert,

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons. Which was absurd. The Ukies themselves were saying they were protecting Berlin and Paris.

    • Replies: @Keypusher
    @Wokechoke


    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons
     
    Nope. They were saying the Russians would overrun the Ukrainians. Which turned out to drastically overestimate the Russians.

    Russia’s GDP is roughly equal to Italy’s. No one with a room temperature IQ thinks Russia is any threat to Western Europe. A lot of these threads consist of Russophiles telling themselves that Western Europeans are afraid of them.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  42. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...part of the “high trust” world
     
    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in...

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it...very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can't play with them, or a pure schadenfreude - a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up...they just couldn't allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz, @sudden death

    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Exactly. It’s really a problem when your country is run by crazy people. And it’s a problem for the entire world when your country is extremely powerful and also controls the global MSM.

    Here’s another great Jeff Sachs clip from yesterday:

    Sachs mentions that he was talking to a top American journalist from a top American newspaper, someone he’d known for 40 years. He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    According to Sachs, that very morning the same newspaper had suggested that Russia had destroyed its own pipelines. But he’d been reading that newspaper since the Watergate Era, when it revealed all sorts of illegal American government actions. The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    Do an analysis of the concrete poured by Ukraine in the run up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The construction $ amounts are truly astounding.

    Much of German rearmament in the 1930s was building up the Westwall after remilitarizing the Rhine 1936. Very little was really spent on tanks and planes. The bulk of the expenses were bunkers, traps and mine belts. Their very own version of the infamous but misunderstood Maginot line in fact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Line

    Ukraine was a massive concrete pour by NATO.

    https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/eastern-europe/ukraine/ukraine-line

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz


    He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.
     
    Hmmmm.... an establishment, elite university economist received an anonymous leak from a left-wing reporter? Add that to Sachs track record. Everyone smart & honest realizes he was 100% wrong about the WUHAN-19 virus.

    You are using a debunked conspiracy theorist as a source for another conspiracy theory. Based on that information lineage -- You make an excellent case that "everyone should know that America is *not* involved"

    The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

     

    Establishment journalists (and establishment academia) have been quite panicky since Musk bought Twitter. Being a shill for the Globalist Lügenpresse is not the sinecure that it once was.

    PEACE 😇
  43. @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.
     
    Exactly. It's really a problem when your country is run by crazy people. And it's a problem for the entire world when your country is extremely powerful and also controls the global MSM.

    Here's another great Jeff Sachs clip from yesterday:

    https://youtu.be/WBbpXMz0Kx8

    Sachs mentions that he was talking to a top American journalist from a top American newspaper, someone he’d known for 40 years. He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    According to Sachs, that very morning the same newspaper had suggested that Russia had destroyed its own pipelines. But he’d been reading that newspaper since the Watergate Era, when it revealed all sorts of illegal American government actions. The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Ron,

    Do an analysis of the concrete poured by Ukraine in the run up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022. The construction $ amounts are truly astounding.

    Much of German rearmament in the 1930s was building up the Westwall after remilitarizing the Rhine 1936. Very little was really spent on tanks and planes. The bulk of the expenses were bunkers, traps and mine belts. Their very own version of the infamous but misunderstood Maginot line in fact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_Line

    Ukraine was a massive concrete pour by NATO.

    https://www.crisisgroup.org/europe-central-asia/eastern-europe/ukraine/ukraine-line

  44. @Ivashka

    the ancestors of the Eastern Slav fought with the Hun

    Who did they fight against, was it the Avars?

    Han Chinese fought with the Xianbei in the Northern Wei (386–535) to expelled the Rouran, who may have became the Avars after migrating west.

    A weird thing about the ethnogenesis of steppe empires is that they often begin with defeat at the hands of a more powerful rival back home. The losers flee across the vast Eurasian steppe and wind up with a mighty empire far away.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-avars-of-dark-age-hungary-were-mongolians/

    Later on, Han Chinese fought with Manchus and Khalkha Mongols in the Qing to expel the Dzungar Mongols. The Dzungars who migrated west became the Kalmyks, one of their descendants was Lenin.

    Mulan portrayed a Han Chinese fighting against Turco-Mongol barbarians, but she was already a sort of a barbarian, fighting against other barbarians.

    East Slavic nationalism, at least for a lot of Ukrainian bros, is suppose to be about European Slavs liberating themselves from “Asiatic” Turco-Mongols.

    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty, fighting against other Turco-Mongols, would probably not be an appropriate hero for that brand of nationalism.

    • Replies: @AP
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty
     
    Ashkenazi Jews (such as Zelensky) are not related to the Turkic Khazars but are a mix of roughly 45% Italians, 45% Semites, and 10% Northern Euros (including Slavs). They came to Ukraine from the West.

    The Turkic Jewish Karaites of Crimea, whom the Nazis spared because they weren’t Semitic Jews, may have been related to the Khazars.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Ivashka the fool

  45. @QCIC
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the "high trust" world.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Lurker, @Petermx, @Philip Owen

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he’s not your ally. It’s not normal what the US did to it’s German ally and Germany’s reaction (saying nothing) is completely abnormal. It is also abnormal to have the American Navy in the Baltic Sea, especially after blowing up a Russian -German pipeline. US behavior has made China and Russia unite against them. There are people in the German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO and become allies of Russia too, or at least have friendly relations. If that happened, I don’t think the US Navy would remain in the Baltic Sea.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Petermx


    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he’s not your ally. It’s not normal what the US did to it’s German ally
     
    Germany stabbed Greece, Italy, Hungary, and Poland in the back at various times over the years. These were also abnormal events benefiting German banks over individual workers.

    German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO
     
    Many have said that NATO and EU are linked. Thus, you suggest that Germany intends departure from the EU.

    This is excellent news. It will be delightful to watch DEXIT (Deutsche Exit) struggle the way that Brexit did. Christian European nations should be able to keep Islamophile, open borders, Germany tied up in knots for a decade or more.

    PEACE 😇
  46. Were all the balloons shot down with sidewinders?

    Maybe, shows that earth-based laser weapons are just not practical, that they didn’t iron out the flaws by now.

  47. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    I didn't know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government's growth strategy. One of the articles said that the number of foreign workers in the country has already increased from 100,000 to 650,000+ since 2015.

    There are also a lot of illegal immigrants already and this new law will give them official status.

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels. I was reading a couple of Portuguese opinion articles promoting increases in immigration, arguing it was needed to sustain the pensions and social security system.

    Replies: @LatW

    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy.

    The question is – are they trying to fill the hard to fill jobs, or is this for anyone who speaks Portuguese (is from former colonies).

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels.

    If this is what they’re planning to do now, then some of the EU freedom of movement treaties need to be re-opened and re-negotiated. The very basic EU principles were put in place for Europeans and weren’t designed to be messed with like this.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...EU principles were put in place for Europeans
     
    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100's of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have - or don't have - would hit hard.

    EU won't restrict freedom of movement and it can't control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the 'new shiny world'.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation's future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that's why we are having a war...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Mikel

    , @Coconuts
    @LatW

    I think it is indeed for anyone in the Portuguese speaking world, citizens of Brazil, Anglo, Mocambique etc.

    It's not totally surprising Portugal would do something like this given their past policies. Under the Salazar regime, after WW2 the colonies were officially absorbed into Portugal itself and the people were all made full Portuguese citizens. This was far-right Portuguese nationalism.

  48. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Invert,

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons. Which was absurd. The Ukies themselves were saying they were protecting Berlin and Paris.

    Replies: @Keypusher

    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons

    Nope. They were saying the Russians would overrun the Ukrainians. Which turned out to drastically overestimate the Russians.

    Russia’s GDP is roughly equal to Italy’s. No one with a room temperature IQ thinks Russia is any threat to Western Europe. A lot of these threads consist of Russophiles telling themselves that Western Europeans are afraid of them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Keypusher

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/germany-post-world-war-ii-ukraine-russia

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-09-08/russia-invasion-of-ukraine-jolting-germany-into-rebuilding-military

    There was panic for some time at the start.


    "A possible Russian invasion of Europe is “more than ever” and Germany could be wiped off the map at any moment, according to a leaked report in Germany. Top military officials in Germany have urged the country to prepare for an impending war with Russia, fearing that the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO."

    https://expatguideturkey.com/germany-speaks-of-leaked-documents-russians-can-invade-at-any-moment/

    "In the 68-page report, Zorn argues that although the modern German army has conducted operations in areas such as Afghanistan, these experiences are not sufficient for a future war, and that the Bundeswehr should prepare for a “forced war” on its territory. Warning that the possibility of war in a NATO member country in Eastern Europe “is increasing again”, Zorn urged Germany to play a leading role in the continent’s defense and to build a “stronger” armed forces."

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

  49. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer


    Regarding Bakhmut. It seems the best parallel is the battles of the Rzhev salient, where the Soviets suffered much larger casualties than the Germans despite having superiority in both manpower, armor and artillery.
     
    Where did you get this piece of info? Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF. Many Western observers advise Ukraine to abandon Bakhmut to preserve personnel. In contrast, the owner of “Wagner” outfit Prigozhin trolled Ukraine by advising it to defend Bakhmut at all costs.

    We went from “3 Days to Kiev” to “365 Days to Artyomovk”.
     
    There never was “3 Days to Kiev” except in manufactured lies of pro-Ukrainians. Sad (for NATO) truth is that despite all Western weapons and training Ukrainian army is losing ground on all fronts.

    But take heart and keep posting. Here we have too few US/Ukie trolls peddling the official Western narrative. You’d be a third or a forth such creature. Pretty flattering place for a nonentity.

    Replies: @War Observer, @Mr. Hack

    Even Western pro-Ukrainian sources are appalled by staggering Ukrainian losses at Bakhmut and shocked by much smaller losses of the RF.

    ??…

    Care to back this one up Profesor? Sounds kind of sovoky (again). 🙁

  50. @Keypusher
    @Wokechoke


    most media and politicos were saying that Russia would reach the Atlantic if westerers were not sending the Ukies these weapons
     
    Nope. They were saying the Russians would overrun the Ukrainians. Which turned out to drastically overestimate the Russians.

    Russia’s GDP is roughly equal to Italy’s. No one with a room temperature IQ thinks Russia is any threat to Western Europe. A lot of these threads consist of Russophiles telling themselves that Western Europeans are afraid of them.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/germany-post-world-war-ii-ukraine-russia

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-09-08/russia-invasion-of-ukraine-jolting-germany-into-rebuilding-military

    There was panic for some time at the start.

    “A possible Russian invasion of Europe is “more than ever” and Germany could be wiped off the map at any moment, according to a leaked report in Germany. Top military officials in Germany have urged the country to prepare for an impending war with Russia, fearing that the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO.”

    https://expatguideturkey.com/germany-speaks-of-leaked-documents-russians-can-invade-at-any-moment/

    “In the 68-page report, Zorn argues that although the modern German army has conducted operations in areas such as Afghanistan, these experiences are not sufficient for a future war, and that the Bundeswehr should prepare for a “forced war” on its territory. Warning that the possibility of war in a NATO member country in Eastern Europe “is increasing again”, Zorn urged Germany to play a leading role in the continent’s defense and to build a “stronger” armed forces.”

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    Zeihan was still beating the Russia-may-invade-Poland drum fairly recently, due to the call-up. He has also come out saying that he thinks Xi is about to commit to supplying arms.

    Since he is obviously a tool, I think that proves that point.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    The Germans won't even say boo to their occupiers when their main energy pipeline is blown up. For all practical purposes they now are a conquered nation. The generals in Lagos Nigeria have more backbone. It is against the law to display a swastika. The college fraternities probably don't even have duels any more.

    Maybe they have them with rubber swords.

  51. @LatW
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy.
     
    The question is - are they trying to fill the hard to fill jobs, or is this for anyone who speaks Portuguese (is from former colonies).

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels.
     
    If this is what they're planning to do now, then some of the EU freedom of movement treaties need to be re-opened and re-negotiated. The very basic EU principles were put in place for Europeans and weren't designed to be messed with like this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

    …EU principles were put in place for Europeans

    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100’s of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have – or don’t have – would hit hard.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the ‘new shiny world‘.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Who would that be?
     
    Those who signed the original treaty - you think those nations don't deserve to be respected? This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Although in the case of the Portuguese, it might be that they are trying to consolidate their nation in these chaotic times, maybe that's what it's about.


    Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave?
     
    It would actually be fantastic. The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders.
     
    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will. As usual.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…
     
    I don't disagree with you. It's late, but it might be not too late.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…
     
    A collection of sovereign countries makes sense. However, was the EU design ever a great idea? A European 'Super State' that threatens national sovereignty was a terrible idea.

    Intra-EU flow of goods, manufactured to common standards is a reasonable goal. Allowing individuals easy short-term transit (e.g. tourists, businessmen) could also have made sense. Permanent relocation of workers:

        • Drains source countries, interfering with family formation
        • Undercuts labour markets in recipient countries.

    Schengen, as currently administered, is a built-in self-destructive policy. If the only way to get rid of it is ending the EU, so be it.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain?
     
    Well, yes.

    Spanish law only requires one Spanish grandparent to be able to claim Spanish nationality. There are many millions who qualify all over Latin America and elsewhere, including the Philippines. Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century. This was an act of somewhat belated repentance for that injustice. My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the Western European countries with an imperial past, and even some without it, are following similar policies. So you guys should clearly understand what the situation is. If Slovakia's aspirations when it joined the EU are fulfilled and it becomes as prosperous as Germany or Scandinavia, lots of exotic people are likely and totally entitled to migrate to your lands. Some of them will only be European citizens because your Western partners felt ashamed of their history in past centuries.

    But I'm not sure it's Westerners you should blame if that comes to pass. They're just going through their own issues but you always had the chance of electing leaders like Orban and form an alliance to defend EE values before Brussels manages to put order in the rebel Hungarian province. Pour encourager les autres.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

  52. @QCIC
    I'm not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop.

    Replies: @meamjojo

    “I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop.”

    Excepting of Vladimir Putin.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @meamjojo

    I don't know the Russian language, so my understanding of Putin is limited.

    My impression is that he was dealt a tough hand when he became President, rose to the challenge and did a good job for his country.

    His extemporaneous speaking skill is second to none. He gives real answers to tough questions.

  53. Russia continues to sink into the cesspool of its own making.
    ———
    Demographic Challenges Weigh On Russia’s Military Ambitions
    By The Jamestown Foundation – Feb 18, 2023, 2:00 PM CST

    – Russia is looking to grow the size of its armed forces to 1.5 million by the end of 2026.
    – According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.
    – The number of young men in Russia is inevitably decreasing, presenting a challenge that make realizing its military ambitions impossible.

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Demographic-Challenges-Weigh-On-Russias-Military-Ambitions.html

    • Replies: @LatW
    @meamjojo

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South? Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front. Russia is completely exposed, except for Rosgvardia at home and the nuclear triad.

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.
     

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don't have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  54. “Meanwhile, there’s still a near-total MSM blackout of Seymour Hersh’s remarkable Nord Stream pipeline attacks story, with some plausible speculation that if the story gets sufficient traction in Europe, the result might be the collapse of NATO. I’ve published a couple of columns and a few of Hersh’s interviews are starting to get some attention”

    What more denial do you need? Straight from the highest USA government authorities – WE DIDN’T DO IT!
    ——-
    John Kirby denies U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream pipelines
    “It’s a completely false story. There is no truth it,” Kirby said when asked about reporting by journalist Seymour Hersh alleging U.S. involvement.
    02/19/2023 02:47 PM EST

    National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby repeatedly denied the United States was involved in explosions that damaged the Nord Stream pipelines, speaking Sunday on “Fox News Sunday.”

    “It’s a completely false story. There is no truth to it, Shannon,” Kirby told host Shannon Bream, when asked about an article by journalist Seymour Hersh alleging U.S. involvement. “Not a shred of it. It is not true. The United States, and no proxies of the United States had anything to do with that, nothing.”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/19/john-kirby-nord-stream-seymour-hersh-00083589

  55. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...EU principles were put in place for Europeans
     
    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100's of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have - or don't have - would hit hard.

    EU won't restrict freedom of movement and it can't control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the 'new shiny world'.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation's future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that's why we are having a war...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Mikel

    Who would that be?

    Those who signed the original treaty – you think those nations don’t deserve to be respected? This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Although in the case of the Portuguese, it might be that they are trying to consolidate their nation in these chaotic times, maybe that’s what it’s about.

    Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave?

    It would actually be fantastic. The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will. As usual.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    I don’t disagree with you. It’s late, but it might be not too late.

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW

    The EU stands for antiracism first and foremost. Estonians are expected to learn and apply EU values. Estonia is too white according to antiracist values. As the most prosperous former Soviet country in the EU, Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers. The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values and will push for them backed by the full institutional and media power of the EU.

    Replies: @LatW, @War Observer

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...This is against the spirit of the original document.
     
    Sure, but spirit changes over time. For example the spirit in the early 90's was 'no Nato expansion', then the West decided to change it.

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce...if Bulgaria decides that they will sell residency - via some subterfuge like student visas - what can EU do about it?


    The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.
     
    Right. But it will not happen - the elites have skillfully designed a system of no accountability and minimum control (that's what 'globalism' means to them), they are not giving it up. Even if borders would close for regular people, the elites would remain free and above national sovereignty...But in their defense, that's what people wanted - they screamed bloody murder for no borders and no restrictions on wealth, they were giddy with excitement when it happened. We are just living with the consequences.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will.
     
    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc...There is no definition of who is a "European" in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement...if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy...

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  56. @meamjojo
    Russia continues to sink into the cesspool of its own making.
    ---------
    Demographic Challenges Weigh On Russia’s Military Ambitions
    By The Jamestown Foundation - Feb 18, 2023, 2:00 PM CST

    - Russia is looking to grow the size of its armed forces to 1.5 million by the end of 2026.
    - According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.
    - The number of young men in Russia is inevitably decreasing, presenting a challenge that make realizing its military ambitions impossible.
    ...
    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Demographic-Challenges-Weigh-On-Russias-Military-Ambitions.html

    Replies: @LatW

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South? Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front. Russia is completely exposed, except for Rosgvardia at home and the nuclear triad.

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front.
     
    How much of a serial bag of excrement do you have to be to believe that stupid nonsense you idiot?

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.
     
    That's 900000 new boys/men a year, which is 1.8-1.9 million births each year in Russia. America is about 3.6 million births a year with at least 2 times the population - there is nothing wrong with this...........so WTF is the point is your point you dumb retarded gutterslag?

    We have received at least 5 million Ukrainians in the last year you dumb POS, in addition to millions more on liberated territories. That's 8 million East Slavs, new Russians. That alone makes the SMO a huge success in history.....that's before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South?
     
    Is this pitiful dumbfuck projection that , "Russia is very lucky that China and India aren't midget scumbag losers with massive inferiority problems who have contributed zero to humanity like the Baltics and Poland, constantly whoring for war "( and losing like the insignificant POS's that they are)?

    Russia is "lucky" that despite heroic success in defeating at least once every century for the last 500 years of western scum trying to making us extinct........that China are sane, peaceful nation for most of the millenium?
    Does the issue about lack of men of fighting age apply to Japan you stupid retard, LMAO?!!!!

    Could that statement of idiocy be a result of your psychosis caused by being a a lowlife in Latvian "education" system, where the heroic achievement of Soviet Union in GPW is considered "only" because Japan didn't attack? LMAO

    Forgetting about the scale of the achievement in defeating Nazi Germany, and even forgetting what I am sure was an implication about Japan in GPW that satisfies severely retarded Baltic revisionists........Soviet army did annihilate Japan you idiot, which probably is main reason US dropped nuclear bomb on Japan twice . Strategically of course Japan was already defeated by western and eastern allies before Soviet intervention, but Japan had more than enough potential to give serious defence on own territory for over a year more at least.

    I notice zero concerns about the lack of Ukrainian men of fighting age - typical for a piece of trash wanting as many of them sacrificed for the sake of anti-Russian fantasies of some clown from some nothing country

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  57. @LatW
    @Coconuts


    I didn’t know about it so I read a few stories, it seems to be part of the current Portuguese government’s growth strategy.
     
    The question is - are they trying to fill the hard to fill jobs, or is this for anyone who speaks Portuguese (is from former colonies).

    It looks like some kind of trend, given what is going on in Ireland and the UK immigration numbers reaching record levels.
     
    If this is what they're planning to do now, then some of the EU freedom of movement treaties need to be re-opened and re-negotiated. The very basic EU principles were put in place for Europeans and weren't designed to be messed with like this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Coconuts

    I think it is indeed for anyone in the Portuguese speaking world, citizens of Brazil, Anglo, Mocambique etc.

    It’s not totally surprising Portugal would do something like this given their past policies. Under the Salazar regime, after WW2 the colonies were officially absorbed into Portugal itself and the people were all made full Portuguese citizens. This was far-right Portuguese nationalism.

  58. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    Replies: @AP, @Triteleia Laxa, @War Observer, @Philip Owen

    According to reasonably reliable sources

    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday? My personal highlight was when he talked of the gender-neutral Anglican God

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @War Observer

    Ha, ha.

    You and Rula are discounting the possibility the USA has supplied more weapons than what we have been told publicly. I assume that is the message of Igor's numbers.

    , @Gerard1234
    @War Observer


    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].
     
    LMAO - Konashenkov would have said that Russian air-defence intercepted 44 missiles fired from HIMARS you idiot, not that they destroyed 44 launch systems ( although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already).

    If you are going to propogate this mindless BS, surely you should at least check what he said - and what is entirely plausible/probable ( that they have intercepted 44 missiles from HIMARS, plus many more since then)

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter - lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.


    As for the Bradley IFV's - I'm sure they were even displayed at the military EXPO in Moscow region.


    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday?
     
    His "drab" speech was mainly about social payments and new tax initiatives (as is usual for the address) - of course it should be "drab" to westerners watching you ridiculous cretin. He can't exactly discuss SMO strategy and tactics in public
    As for the "failed Sarmat test" - only plankton like you could swallow typical American BS like that.

    Accept facts - Konashenkov NEVER lies . Ukronazi freaks can't do anything but lie, and lie big you retard.

    My "favourite", without being disrespectful to all the other extreme BS, is ukronazi freaks giving awards posthumously to Border Guard and Navy at Snake Island .....for one of them "heroically" saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself.........even though he didn't say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance........even though they surrendered immediately!!!! As in typical ukronazi loser idiocy.....once it was established that all 80 of them were alive and surrendered immediately but were then released early in a prisoner swap.......they gave them the Hero of Ukraine medals anyway!!!!!!!!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

  59. US believes Russia had failed intercontinental ballistic missile test around when Biden was in Ukraine

    This would actually explain a lot about how milquetoast Putin’s much-hyped address was yesterday, the original plan was to give a rousing performance about how “Russia’s borders end nowhere” (in reference to the almost global range of the Sarmat missile) and how everyone must “listen carefully”, but after Putin got word of the test’s failures he had to re-use his speech from September 30, 2022.

  60. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW
    @Beckow


    Who would that be?
     
    Those who signed the original treaty - you think those nations don't deserve to be respected? This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Although in the case of the Portuguese, it might be that they are trying to consolidate their nation in these chaotic times, maybe that's what it's about.


    Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave?
     
    It would actually be fantastic. The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders.
     
    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will. As usual.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…
     
    I don't disagree with you. It's late, but it might be not too late.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Beckow

    The EU stands for antiracism first and foremost. Estonians are expected to learn and apply EU values. Estonia is too white according to antiracist values. As the most prosperous former Soviet country in the EU, Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers. The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values and will push for them backed by the full institutional and media power of the EU.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values
     
    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    It appears that Portugal is willing to give one year residence permits to people from all those countries, it is not clear whether this is a permanent residence which would allow them to reside anywhere in the EU. It looks like an internal Portuguese affair (it's for Brazilians).

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

    , @War Observer
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers.
     
    And who may I ask, is the hidden hand forcing Russia to naturalize almost 200,000 Tajiks every year? Aided of course by the Russian-language schools established by Putin (again some hidden hand must be forcing him correct?)

    Russian schools open in Tajikistan

    Naturalization of Tajiks by the Russian Federation

    2011 - 6,152
    2012 - 9,773
    2013 - 12,476
    2014 - 14,638
    2015 - 16,758
    2016 - 23,012
    2017 - 29,039
    2018 - 35,732
    2019 - 44,707
    2020 - 63,389
    2021 - 103,681
    2022 - 173,634

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Ivashka the fool

  61. It seems that Wagner PMC was not the superlative fighting machine many pro-Russians said it was. According to Aleksandr Khodakovsky, it is not being deprived of ammunition out of spite, but simply getting it’s fair share like all the other units. Prigozhin posts a picture of one day’s worth of dead Wagnerites, seemingly to put pressure on the Russian MoD to give it back its privileged position on the resupply pecking order.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @War Observer

    Prigozyn is being groomed by western coverage as a future warlord in the former RussianFederation.

  62. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka

    the ancestors of the Eastern Slav fought with the Hun
     
    Who did they fight against, was it the Avars?

    Han Chinese fought with the Xianbei in the Northern Wei (386–535) to expelled the Rouran, who may have became the Avars after migrating west.


    A weird thing about the ethnogenesis of steppe empires is that they often begin with defeat at the hands of a more powerful rival back home. The losers flee across the vast Eurasian steppe and wind up with a mighty empire far away.

     

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-avars-of-dark-age-hungary-were-mongolians/

    Later on, Han Chinese fought with Manchus and Khalkha Mongols in the Qing to expel the Dzungar Mongols. The Dzungars who migrated west became the Kalmyks, one of their descendants was Lenin.

    @Wokechoke

    Mulan portrayed a Han Chinese fighting against Turco-Mongol barbarians, but she was already a sort of a barbarian, fighting against other barbarians.

    East Slavic nationalism, at least for a lot of Ukrainian bros, is suppose to be about European Slavs liberating themselves from "Asiatic" Turco-Mongols.

    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty, fighting against other Turco-Mongols, would probably not be an appropriate hero for that brand of nationalism.

    Replies: @AP

    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty

    Ashkenazi Jews (such as Zelensky) are not related to the Turkic Khazars but are a mix of roughly 45% Italians, 45% Semites, and 10% Northern Euros (including Slavs). They came to Ukraine from the West.

    The Turkic Jewish Karaites of Crimea, whom the Nazis spared because they weren’t Semitic Jews, may have been related to the Khazars.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AP

    Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen is somewhat analogous, she's part Taiwanese aboriginal and a Japanophile, so came from the opposite direction.

    One 25-year old Taiwanese lad has fallen for Ukraine in Sievierodonetsk. He was a Taiwanese indigenous.
    https://i.postimg.cc/YSt9FSGh/127906384-gettyimages-1244793500-jpg.webp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tseng_Sheng-guang

    A comrade of his, a 29-year old Japanese volunteer ドブレ Dobure was in 49th Infantry Battalion also KIA


    私が持っている写真はこれで全部です
    私は彼の魂と共に終戦まで戦います

    These are all the pictures I have.
    I will fight with his spirit until the end of the war.
     

    https://twitter.com/super_dobure/status/1588564112136900609?s=20
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Karaite were spared because they were not Talmudic Jews, not because they were not Semites. The Karaites are descended from the Jews of the Abbasid Caliphate, whose Rosh HaGola had renounced the Talmud and embraced the reading and teaching of the Torah for all members of the community. IIRC it happened in the 10th or 11th century AD. Before him, the Torah was considered as secondary to the Talmud and was mainly read by the Rabbis and the literati. Hence the name of the Sect, Karaim - Readers. The Karaim were also sincere and patriotic citizens of the Russian Empire who seved it often in the military. Nazis had no reason to go after them. And BTW, Nazis had nothing against Semites per se, they got along well with Arabs. They even got along with right-wing Zionists and tried to negotiate a repatriation to Palestine for all those interested.

    https://www.kedem-auctions.com/en/content/nazi-medallion-swastika-and-star-david%E2%80%93-nazi-travels-palestine-1934

    The American and Soviet take on the Holocaust is BS.

    Replies: @S

  63. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW

    The EU stands for antiracism first and foremost. Estonians are expected to learn and apply EU values. Estonia is too white according to antiracist values. As the most prosperous former Soviet country in the EU, Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers. The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values and will push for them backed by the full institutional and media power of the EU.

    Replies: @LatW, @War Observer

    The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values

    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    It appears that Portugal is willing to give one year residence permits to people from all those countries, it is not clear whether this is a permanent residence which would allow them to reside anywhere in the EU. It looks like an internal Portuguese affair (it’s for Brazilians).

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.
     
    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don't speak to you anymore.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW, @Triteleia Laxa

  64. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW

    The EU stands for antiracism first and foremost. Estonians are expected to learn and apply EU values. Estonia is too white according to antiracist values. As the most prosperous former Soviet country in the EU, Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers. The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values and will push for them backed by the full institutional and media power of the EU.

    Replies: @LatW, @War Observer

    Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers.

    And who may I ask, is the hidden hand forcing Russia to naturalize almost 200,000 Tajiks every year? Aided of course by the Russian-language schools established by Putin (again some hidden hand must be forcing him correct?)

    Russian schools open in Tajikistan

    Naturalization of Tajiks by the Russian Federation

    2011 – 6,152
    2012 – 9,773
    2013 – 12,476
    2014 – 14,638
    2015 – 16,758
    2016 – 23,012
    2017 – 29,039
    2018 – 35,732
    2019 – 44,707
    2020 – 63,389
    2021 – 103,681
    2022 – 173,634

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @War Observer

    That's really bad for Russia. Thanks for pointing it out. The same forces are not at work in Russia as the EU and America.

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    Replies: @War Observer

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @War Observer


    According to the Center for Analytical and Practical Research of Migration Processes, Russia's invasion of Ukraine led to an increase in the influx of migrants to the Russian Federation, replacing local residents (dead, wounded, disabled and those who left)[1]. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    According to official data for 2014, Russia ranks first in Europe and second in the world after the United States in terms of the number of labor migrants[3]. According to the data of the Federal State Statistics Service, the bulk of migrants are from the CIS countries[4]. Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed[5][6]. According to the National Research University Higher School of Economics, in 2013 the number of legal and illegal labor migrants in Russia was about 7,000,000 people[7], according to the Russian Federal Migration Service - 4.5 million[8], over 83% of which are citizens from the CIS countries with visa-free entry to Russia
     
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8



    По данным Центра аналитических и практических исследований миграционных процессов вторжение России на Украину привело к росту притока мигрантов в РФ, заменяющих местных жителей (погибших, раненых, инвалидов и уехавших)[1]. По данным МВД, в январе-сентябре 2022 г. в РФ приехало 12,78 млн мигрантов, что на 3,5 млн больше, чем за аналогичный период 2021 г[2].

    По официальным данным на 2014 год Россия занимает первое место в Европе и второе в мире после США по количеству трудовых мигрантов[3]. Согласно данным Федеральной службы государственной статистики, основную массу мигрантов составляют выходцы из стран СНГ[4]. В Москву с целью трудоустройства ежегодно прибывают до 2 млн иностранных граждан, из них официально трудоустроено 300—400 тысяч[5][6]. По данным НИУ ВШЭ, в 2013 году количество легальных и нелегальных трудовых мигрантов в России составляло около 7 000 000 человек[7], по оценкам ФМС России — 4,5 млн[8], свыше 83 % которых — это граждане из стран СНГ с безвизовым порядком въезда в Россию
     
    Русский мир, бл☆ !

    Спасибо Путину за это...

    Replies: @LatW

  65. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...part of the “high trust” world
     
    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in...

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it...very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can't play with them, or a pure schadenfreude - a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up...they just couldn't allow it even if it also destroys them.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz, @sudden death

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    So now you celebrate the 'global warming'? You guys are weird, at the bottom of it is not much more but hatred for anything 'Russian', it trumps everything...

    Your attempt to compare blowing up a pipeline in international waters to the level of storage supplies in some gas tanks is very pathetic - not at all on the same level. If you don't get that, read something about criminal law.

    Who sells what to whom and at what price has nothing to do with 'high trust'. But you know that, you are just trying to distract the few fools around here (Mr. Hacks?)...crime is a crime, prices are simply trade. I would like a new i-Phone 14 for $200, why can't I have one? Why didn't US ship a million of them to my local mall so they would have to sell them at a deep discount?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    , @songbird
    @sudden death


    but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)
     
    Not sure it is really true (I think it would maybe just encourage foolish casualties), but a lot of people are saying that the warm weather is really good for Russians because it makes any advance impossible, until May or June, when they will have called up a lot of manpower.
    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death


    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.


    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

     

    Wow, you dumb worthless dogshit of a satanist indivual. What a total liar freak.

    German court stopping NS2 from coming into action in August 2021, after constriction finished, was the ONLY reason of the price spike you serial dumb piece of shit. That's after using about 3 years of delaying tactics in the form of changing EU rules, legal delays, sanctions on staggered sanctions on various different players ,and so on you ridiculous scumbag.

    Replies: @sudden death

  66. @Ron Unz
    @Beckow


    The high trust world seems to be gone. It will be very volatile with the current technology and geographic reach once that reality sinks in…

    The crazy thing is that it was the ones who are most benefitting from the high-trust world who decided to destroy it…very churlish and infantile, a kid breaking toys so the others can’t play with them, or a pure schadenfreude – a resentment of others, the fear that they are catching up…they just couldn’t allow it even if it also destroys them.
     
    Exactly. It's really a problem when your country is run by crazy people. And it's a problem for the entire world when your country is extremely powerful and also controls the global MSM.

    Here's another great Jeff Sachs clip from yesterday:

    https://youtu.be/WBbpXMz0Kx8

    Sachs mentions that he was talking to a top American journalist from a top American newspaper, someone he’d known for 40 years. He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    According to Sachs, that very morning the same newspaper had suggested that Russia had destroyed its own pipelines. But he’d been reading that newspaper since the Watergate Era, when it revealed all sorts of illegal American government actions. The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    He said the journalist told him “of course” everyone knows that America destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines, but no one is allowed to say that.

    Hmmmm…. an establishment, elite university economist received an anonymous leak from a left-wing reporter? Add that to Sachs track record. Everyone smart & honest realizes he was 100% wrong about the WUHAN-19 virus.

    You are using a debunked conspiracy theorist as a source for another conspiracy theory. Based on that information lineage — You make an excellent case that “everyone should know that America is *not* involved”

    The journalist told him that the newspaper he’d once read “was dead.”

    Establishment journalists (and establishment academia) have been quite panicky since Musk bought Twitter. Being a shill for the Globalist Lügenpresse is not the sinecure that it once was.

    PEACE 😇

  67. @Petermx
    @QCIC

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he's not your ally. It's not normal what the US did to it's German ally and Germany's reaction (saying nothing) is completely abnormal. It is also abnormal to have the American Navy in the Baltic Sea, especially after blowing up a Russian -German pipeline. US behavior has made China and Russia unite against them. There are people in the German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO and become allies of Russia too, or at least have friendly relations. If that happened, I don't think the US Navy would remain in the Baltic Sea.

    Replies: @A123

    You should be able to trust your ally, but if he stabs you in the back he’s not your ally. It’s not normal what the US did to it’s German ally

    Germany stabbed Greece, Italy, Hungary, and Poland in the back at various times over the years. These were also abnormal events benefiting German banks over individual workers.

    German Bundestag (parliament) that want good relations with Russia and now they may want to leave NATO

    Many have said that NATO and EU are linked. Thus, you suggest that Germany intends departure from the EU.

    This is excellent news. It will be delightful to watch DEXIT (Deutsche Exit) struggle the way that Brexit did. Christian European nations should be able to keep Islamophile, open borders, Germany tied up in knots for a decade or more.

    PEACE 😇

  68. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Who would that be?
     
    Those who signed the original treaty - you think those nations don't deserve to be respected? This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Although in the case of the Portuguese, it might be that they are trying to consolidate their nation in these chaotic times, maybe that's what it's about.


    Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave?
     
    It would actually be fantastic. The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    EU won’t restrict freedom of movement and it can’t control its borders.
     
    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will. As usual.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…
     
    I don't disagree with you. It's late, but it might be not too late.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Beckow

    …This is against the spirit of the original document.

    Sure, but spirit changes over time. For example the spirit in the early 90’s was ‘no Nato expansion’, then the West decided to change it.

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce…if Bulgaria decides that they will sell residency – via some subterfuge like student visas – what can EU do about it?

    The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.

    Right. But it will not happen – the elites have skillfully designed a system of no accountability and minimum control (that’s what ‘globalism’ means to them), they are not giving it up. Even if borders would close for regular people, the elites would remain free and above national sovereignty…But in their defense, that’s what people wanted – they screamed bloody murder for no borders and no restrictions on wealth, they were giddy with excitement when it happened. We are just living with the consequences.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will.

    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc…There is no definition of who is a “European” in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement…if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy…

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc…There is no definition of who is a “European” in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement…
     
    The way to fix the EU from the inside is what I dub -- 'The Spirit of Sovereignty'

    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy…
     
    In this example, what can Sovereign Spirit do about it?

    The Latvian government arrests the Angolan for improper documentation and places him in detention. There is much legal byplay before the final move. The sovereign Latvian Supreme Court overrules the ECHR/ECJ as exceeding EU authority and violating the Latvian constitution.

    Multiple other countries do this on migration cases. Thus, firmly establishing that the EU/ECHR/ECJ are junior entities. European institutions are inherently subordinate under the doctine, 'Spirit of Sovereignty'.

     

    The EU functions like a bully. It makes threats and others submit. When push comes-to-shove what are actual EU (not sovereign member state) capabilities?

        • EU Air Force -- Bombers = none. Air superiority fighters = none.
        • EU Navy -- Surface combatants = none.
        • EU Army -- Mechanized infantry = none. Armor/tanks = none.

    The EU only exists as it does because nations willingly sacrifice their sovereignty. If a small group of countries stand up and shout, "NO MORE!" the EU will reform or disintegrate.

    PEACE 😇

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce…
     
    That's true and I wasn't arguing that this wouldn't be a problem. My point was a bit different: this is kind of changing the rules in the middle of the game type of thing (I know you don't agree, because you see this is all as consistent, everybody agreed to everything, can't have your cake and eat it too, etc). But I believe that when you make such drastic changes, it merits at least a conversation.

    Imagine, if the EU is one big country (I know it isn't but just for the sake of illustrating my point), the population has been roughly static for hundreds of years and then somebody decided to change the composition of citizens in a drastic, irreversible way. This would call for a conversation or discussion at least, imo. The East doesn't want this and there is nothing wrong with a conversation.

    In normal law, this would be called "substantial changes of circumstances" with a petition for "modification". I understand that this may not fly with the way the situation is in the EU right now, but I am talking about the PRINCIPLE.

    Do we know a 100% what the European majorities, both in the East and the West really think about this issue?

    I do agree with you that the seeds were put in a long time ago and not much was done to oppose a long time ago.


    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do
     
    The laws against that are very strict in Latvia now (even for Russian women and their Russian pimps). So that wouldn't be allowed to fester. There are mostly two categories of migrants - tech migrants (or other skilled workers) or service workers (delivery, nurses, etc). People would happily come for these opportunities (the rules now allow only a limited number to come), but they would have to work their *ss off and, even if they had a higher or same level salary as in Portugal, they wouldn't have all those other benefits of Portugal - warmer weather, more relaxed population, cultural ties, language.
  69. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...EU principles were put in place for Europeans
     
    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100's of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have - or don't have - would hit hard.

    EU won't restrict freedom of movement and it can't control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the 'new shiny world'.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation's future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that's why we are having a war...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Mikel

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…

    A collection of sovereign countries makes sense. However, was the EU design ever a great idea? A European ‘Super State’ that threatens national sovereignty was a terrible idea.

    Intra-EU flow of goods, manufactured to common standards is a reasonable goal. Allowing individuals easy short-term transit (e.g. tourists, businessmen) could also have made sense. Permanent relocation of workers:

        • Drains source countries, interfering with family formation
        • Undercuts labour markets in recipient countries.

    Schengen, as currently administered, is a built-in self-destructive policy. If the only way to get rid of it is ending the EU, so be it.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    Well, there was enough good in the EU idea - when it was high-level. But it has changed. There has been a full takeover of EU by the uber-liberal globalist elites, so today it is questionable.

    One can have a successful 'imperium' - a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions - only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    So I agree, EU has become a pretty horrible idea. The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive - the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Given that, another inane march on the east (always Russia!) seems like the least painful among bad choices. But I am giving them too much credit, they actually don't choose it - the hatred of "Russia!" is for many of them inbred...that's what they do.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  70. Chinese FM allegedly requiring for unilateral RF ceasefire as a condition for Xi spring visit in Moscow, Zoperating fan is fuming because of this. If this is truthful leak from RF, means US found some counterarguments for now regarding CCP’ied China musings about potential military supply against UA.

    https://t.me/skurlatovlive/9487

    • Replies: @War Observer
    @sudden death

    The Z-posters will be mightily dissapointed when they realise China is not going to prop them up in the same way NATO is helping Ukraine.

    Funny thread made by a Chinese Communist True Believer. Of course the leadership of the PRC are far more rational and want Russia to continue increasing its dependence on China so they can extract cheap natural resources to fuel their economic growth.


    https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1628025723297341441

  71. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...This is against the spirit of the original document.
     
    Sure, but spirit changes over time. For example the spirit in the early 90's was 'no Nato expansion', then the West decided to change it.

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce...if Bulgaria decides that they will sell residency - via some subterfuge like student visas - what can EU do about it?


    The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.
     
    Right. But it will not happen - the elites have skillfully designed a system of no accountability and minimum control (that's what 'globalism' means to them), they are not giving it up. Even if borders would close for regular people, the elites would remain free and above national sovereignty...But in their defense, that's what people wanted - they screamed bloody murder for no borders and no restrictions on wealth, they were giddy with excitement when it happened. We are just living with the consequences.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will.
     
    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc...There is no definition of who is a "European" in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement...if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy...

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc…There is no definition of who is a “European” in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement…

    The way to fix the EU from the inside is what I dub — ‘The Spirit of Sovereignty’

    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy…

    In this example, what can Sovereign Spirit do about it?

    The Latvian government arrests the Angolan for improper documentation and places him in detention. There is much legal byplay before the final move. The sovereign Latvian Supreme Court overrules the ECHR/ECJ as exceeding EU authority and violating the Latvian constitution.

    Multiple other countries do this on migration cases. Thus, firmly establishing that the EU/ECHR/ECJ are junior entities. European institutions are inherently subordinate under the doctine, ‘Spirit of Sovereignty’.

    The EU functions like a bully. It makes threats and others submit. When push comes-to-shove what are actual EU (not sovereign member state) capabilities?

        • EU Air Force — Bombers = none. Air superiority fighters = none.
        • EU Navy — Surface combatants = none.
        • EU Army — Mechanized infantry = none. Armor/tanks = none.

    The EU only exists as it does because nations willingly sacrifice their sovereignty. If a small group of countries stand up and shout, “NO MORE!” the EU will reform or disintegrate.

    PEACE 😇

  72. @meamjojo
    @QCIC


    "I’m not religious, but I just said a prayer in hope the killing will stop."
     
    Excepting of Vladimir Putin.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t know the Russian language, so my understanding of Putin is limited.

    My impression is that he was dealt a tough hand when he became President, rose to the challenge and did a good job for his country.

    His extemporaneous speaking skill is second to none. He gives real answers to tough questions.

  73. @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN


    According to reasonably reliable sources
     
    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin's drab speech yesterday? My personal highlight was when he talked of the gender-neutral Anglican God



    https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1565486515219841027

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1613617663351132166

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Ha, ha.

    You and Rula are discounting the possibility the USA has supplied more weapons than what we have been told publicly. I assume that is the message of Igor’s numbers.

  74. @sudden death
    Chinese FM allegedly requiring for unilateral RF ceasefire as a condition for Xi spring visit in Moscow, Zoperating fan is fuming because of this. If this is truthful leak from RF, means US found some counterarguments for now regarding CCP'ied China musings about potential military supply against UA.

    https://t.me/skurlatovlive/9487

    Replies: @War Observer

    The Z-posters will be mightily dissapointed when they realise China is not going to prop them up in the same way NATO is helping Ukraine.

    Funny thread made by a Chinese Communist True Believer. Of course the leadership of the PRC are far more rational and want Russia to continue increasing its dependence on China so they can extract cheap natural resources to fuel their economic growth.

    [MORE]

  75. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    However, thanx to china-russia-all-the-way for the link, lots of interesting info there, e.g. it looks like mass house 3D printing is becoming practical reality atm, masonry and masons might become endangered species in the future:

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/170223-Kenya-printed-homes-pic.jpg


    A joint venture of cement giant Holcim and British International Investment, called 14Trees, has printed 10 houses for sale in Kenya.

    It’s the biggest complete printed development in the world, said Denmark-headquartered printer maker Cobod, which made the printer used by 14Trees.

    14Trees printed the houses at an average rate of one a week in 10 weeks between October 2022 and January 2023. In the fastest instance, it printed a house in 18 hours.

    Six of the houses are 76 sq m in area, with three bedrooms. Four have two bedrooms and 56 sq m of space.

    Prices for the smaller homes start at $28,680. The bigger ones start at just over $39,000, according to the 14Trees website.
     

    https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/developer-sets-record-with-10-houses-printed-in-kenya/

    Replies: @Radicalcenter

    But here in the “greatest” and “richest” nation on earth, our rulers claim they can’t figure out how to house homeless people at a reasonable price and pace. I’m sure this will happen here in California aaaaaaaany day now. Just one more sales tax increase and they’ll have enough to get it done then. Or maybe two. Three, tops.

  76. I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

    It’s a bit of an infamous book, banned in Russia until 1996, apparently, and originally published in 1843 in France.

    Custine was a French reactionary, who hated and feared democracy, and traveled to Russia to find arguments against democracy then developing in France. What he found in Russia horrified him. He was horrified by the autocracy, oppression, and cruelty of the upper classes, but also by the cringing subservience and servility of the population and their own willing participation in their oppression.

    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Which isn’t to defend modern liberalism (Woke, etc) – it is indeed awful. I often say to my friends that the Right is often correct in it’s criticism, or at least it’s sense that something is terribly wrong, but right-wing “solutions” would be horrific.

    For myself, I have always liked Russians whenever I met them, and obviously Russia will always occupy a glorious place in world literature and music. I’ve never been there, and I’m sure there are fascinating aspects to the culture and lifestyle that I’d love to see in happier times (at the moment, I imagine Russia is boringly autocratic, as autocratic tendencies make everything boring).

    I also find there is often a “paradox” with human societies, where formally very bad structures and behaviors somehow produce on another level very interesting, appealing, and valuable people and institutions – Russia, for instance, used to have a very appealing spiritual life on one level and produced many interesting and valuable spiritual types, despite on another level being spiritually horrific.

    But there is obviously a dark side to that country that – perhaps too banal an observation to need making – that keeps on cropping up, and should be something we all know more about.

    So to that end, I read!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    Yeah. The countries that oppose the West are all shitty places to live. But that's only really an issue if you think that those countries are good or that you would rather live there.

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place like either of them. But they are enemies of the regime ruling the United States and I support them on that narrow front. No hypocrisy there.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    , @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

     

    Don't know if you've watched Sokurov's Russian Ark; but it's readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECz8C7m_Yo&t=1951s

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn't possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin's book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i'd recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    I watched another of Sokurov's films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i'd strongly discourage against watching it. It's an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    Balzac was another French reactionary who hated democracy; wrote positively of Russia's "despotism"; and even contemplated relocating to Russia, but was discouraged by the stringent citizenship requirements of the time. He wrote to Lady Hanska that he thought Custin's book was "horrible"; and contrasted the "blind obedience" of the Russians to the "deep lack of discipline" of the French. Balzac's admiration for obedience is a fairly peculiar notion by today's standards; but perhaps this was a reflection of French instability at the time. As JS Mill wrote: “the first lesson of civilization [is] that of obedience”; for civilization to function properly, the powers of authority must be vested in a particular institution, whether democratic or autocratic. The latter is easier to establish; the former more durable.

    I agree that generally it's better to live in a democracy than an autocracy. But that doesn't necessarily mean democracy is the best possible option for every state/society in every time period. Democracy requires several preconditions to establish itself and function properly. Chief among them is education of the masses and the formation of civil society. These conditions were not present in 19th century Russia. The autocratic system was deeply-rooted; the nascent Russian state having been influenced by Byzantine political thought, and to lesser extent Mongol and Ottoman administrative practices. The Russian system was even more centralized than the Ottoman state. It would've required a prolonged organic process to move away from that system. The other alternative is dramatic upheaval; which could and eventually did result in disaster and instability, as the experiences of 1917 and 1991 demonstrate.

    Autocracy doesn't necessarily need to be despotic and oppressive. There are several variations of each particular form of government. In the autocratic form it ranges from Lee Kuan Yew-style benevolence and competence to Ivan The Terrible-style despotism and incompetence. In my opinion, the best course of action for Russia in the 19th century was a gradual moderation by the formation of civil society which could accompany the autocratic system. The would serve as a counterbalance to the despotic tendency of the Russian autocracy; while retaining the efficacy and long-term orientation of a centralized government without the need to appeal to short-sighted voters.

    If Russia had adopted democracy during the 1800s; likely the result would've been demagoguery and despotism of the majority. The Russian peasantry were insufficiently educated or inculcated with a democratic value system. Konstantin Pobedonostsev wrote the most convincing defense of Russian autocracy in Reflections Of A Russian Statesman: https://academic.shu.edu/russianhistory/index.php/Konstantin_Pobedonostsev,_Reflections_of_a_Russian_Statesman. It's a one-sided polemic but he makes a few timeless points on the downsides of the democratic system; how it discourages intelligent and honorable people from participating in government; and the illusory nature of majority rule. On the other hand; I think George Cornewall Lewis authored the most balanced treatment of different governmental systems in A Dialogue On The Best Form Of Government. Lewis employed the Socratic technique to outline the positives and negatives of each system; and even took biological, cultural and societal differences into account; which is quite rare for an academic. His conclusion is one I agree with substantially; both are important; but the quality of the populace matters more than the form of government.

    Replies: @AP

    , @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    We don't want Russia, the Russians are not doing it right (and, yes, they have a different mentality). We want the benign 1930s autocracies of Central Europe (not Nazi Germany either, that's another exaggeration). You grabbed the worst example and extrapolated on all of the right wingers. That's not what we want. We would even be ok with a managed democracy, with elements of nationalism. It doesn't have to be anything crazy. Nobody in today's world is going to accept living under a "Leader", but they will accept certain enforcements such as immigration control (and possibly a few other protectionist measures).

    And, btw, I have been the champion of what you posted above since day one. Let all those who admire Russia from a distance, actually go there, instead of trying to push Ukrainians and others into Russia's arms. I think this should satisfy them.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  77. @A123
    @Beckow


    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation’s future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that’s why we are having a war…
     
    A collection of sovereign countries makes sense. However, was the EU design ever a great idea? A European 'Super State' that threatens national sovereignty was a terrible idea.

    Intra-EU flow of goods, manufactured to common standards is a reasonable goal. Allowing individuals easy short-term transit (e.g. tourists, businessmen) could also have made sense. Permanent relocation of workers:

        • Drains source countries, interfering with family formation
        • Undercuts labour markets in recipient countries.

    Schengen, as currently administered, is a built-in self-destructive policy. If the only way to get rid of it is ending the EU, so be it.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    Well, there was enough good in the EU idea – when it was high-level. But it has changed. There has been a full takeover of EU by the uber-liberal globalist elites, so today it is questionable.

    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    So I agree, EU has become a pretty horrible idea. The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive – the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Given that, another inane march on the east (always Russia!) seems like the least painful among bad choices. But I am giving them too much credit, they actually don’t choose it – the hatred of “Russia!” is for many of them inbred…that’s what they do.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.
     
    They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    The EU was spec'd out in the late 1930's early 1940's by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive – the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.
     
    Certainly gradual reform is not available. Working through EU institutions will be strangled by the elites, as you suggest.

    The potential save is a sudden, dramatic transformation. Multiple EU countries simply repudiate EU actions that conflict with national sovereignty. Imagine an collection of sovereign equals -- Controversial ECJ/ECHR junior court rulings are treated with derision and then vetoed under the principle of national sovereignty.

    Brexit proved that a small country cannot leave the EU. They would be savaged. However, a group of countries within the EU can dramatically change the structure by defying the authoritarian liberals in Brussels.

    PEACE 😇
  78. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Gerard1234

    So now you celebrate the ‘global warming’? You guys are weird, at the bottom of it is not much more but hatred for anything ‘Russian’, it trumps everything…

    Your attempt to compare blowing up a pipeline in international waters to the level of storage supplies in some gas tanks is very pathetic – not at all on the same level. If you don’t get that, read something about criminal law.

    Who sells what to whom and at what price has nothing to do with ‘high trust’. But you know that, you are just trying to distract the few fools around here (Mr. Hacks?)…crime is a crime, prices are simply trade. I would like a new i-Phone 14 for $200, why can’t I have one? Why didn’t US ship a million of them to my local mall so they would have to sell them at a deep discount?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Beckow and his buddy waiting for a $200 I-phone 14*. Clearly, he's living in a fool's paradise. :-)

    *over 6" long...like carrying around a subway sandwich in your pocket, and at $800 before a trade in, why not consider an Android flip for $600 after a trade-in? Fits in any pocket easily, expands to over 6 inches when you're using it - much smarter!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/53/86/b8/5386b8b35a981170841ef3fc9a87d4bb.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow

    You know very well me not being the proponent of "blowup of NS by US" theory, so all your fuss about equalizing is misplaced, as is laughable the whining about trust breach from the fan of the side, which is abusing that trust.

    However, deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense in criminal codes too, so should read about it indeed;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

  79. @Beckow
    @A123

    Well, there was enough good in the EU idea - when it was high-level. But it has changed. There has been a full takeover of EU by the uber-liberal globalist elites, so today it is questionable.

    One can have a successful 'imperium' - a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions - only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    So I agree, EU has become a pretty horrible idea. The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive - the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Given that, another inane march on the east (always Russia!) seems like the least painful among bad choices. But I am giving them too much credit, they actually don't choose it - the hatred of "Russia!" is for many of them inbred...that's what they do.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    The EU was spec’d out in the late 1930’s early 1940’s by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    We all are fascists now.
     
    Reminds me of what Jimmy Dore said: “Why do we fund Nazis in Kiev? Why can’t we fund our own? We have them”.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.
     
    That's true, but when anything else is elevated to absurd levels - the one-world, worship-Floyds-LGwhatever-hate whitey, etc... - it is ideological. Whether the people pushing it believe it or only use it to control the rabble really doesn't make that much difference. It is everywhere, it is what they have become...

    EU was spec’d out in the late 1930’s early 1940’s by German bankers. We all are fascists now.
     
    Among others...to be fair the one-Europe idea has been pushed by multiple groups - Napoleon was also into it, and before him assorted Catholic dynasties. The basic plan always runs into an issue with enough material resources and land. That triggers an attack on the east where there are plenty of resources...we have ended up there again.

    It is very unlikely it will work this time - actually this one is comparatively among the weakest attacks. The only thing the West has going for it this time are the endless Ukie human sacrifices...and social media (!) It won't be pretty to look back at the carnage and stupidity, it never is, the Westerners always for a time apologize profusely - and then they start hating and plotting again. They will never forgive.

  80. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @War Observer
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers.
     
    And who may I ask, is the hidden hand forcing Russia to naturalize almost 200,000 Tajiks every year? Aided of course by the Russian-language schools established by Putin (again some hidden hand must be forcing him correct?)

    Russian schools open in Tajikistan

    Naturalization of Tajiks by the Russian Federation

    2011 - 6,152
    2012 - 9,773
    2013 - 12,476
    2014 - 14,638
    2015 - 16,758
    2016 - 23,012
    2017 - 29,039
    2018 - 35,732
    2019 - 44,707
    2020 - 63,389
    2021 - 103,681
    2022 - 173,634

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Ivashka the fool

    That’s really bad for Russia. Thanks for pointing it out. The same forces are not at work in Russia as the EU and America.

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool, QCIC
    • Replies: @War Observer
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

     

    Yes, the forces of the Religion of GDP Growth, which are evidently also active in Russia. Poland is also taking in large numbers of Uzbeks.

    China has way too many people to need to do this, plus Russia is about as de-industialized if not more so than the EU, so they will need it also.
  81. @Wokechoke
    @Keypusher

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/germany-post-world-war-ii-ukraine-russia

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-09-08/russia-invasion-of-ukraine-jolting-germany-into-rebuilding-military

    There was panic for some time at the start.


    "A possible Russian invasion of Europe is “more than ever” and Germany could be wiped off the map at any moment, according to a leaked report in Germany. Top military officials in Germany have urged the country to prepare for an impending war with Russia, fearing that the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO."

    https://expatguideturkey.com/germany-speaks-of-leaked-documents-russians-can-invade-at-any-moment/

    "In the 68-page report, Zorn argues that although the modern German army has conducted operations in areas such as Afghanistan, these experiences are not sufficient for a future war, and that the Bundeswehr should prepare for a “forced war” on its territory. Warning that the possibility of war in a NATO member country in Eastern Europe “is increasing again”, Zorn urged Germany to play a leading role in the continent’s defense and to build a “stronger” armed forces."

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Zeihan was still beating the Russia-may-invade-Poland drum fairly recently, due to the call-up. He has also come out saying that he thinks Xi is about to commit to supplying arms.

    Since he is obviously a tool, I think that proves that point.

  82. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @War Observer

    That's really bad for Russia. Thanks for pointing it out. The same forces are not at work in Russia as the EU and America.

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    Replies: @War Observer

    Do you agree or disagree with the following statement: There are powerful forces at work in the US and Europe successfully bringing about rapid change in racial demographics.

    Yes, the forces of the Religion of GDP Growth, which are evidently also active in Russia. Poland is also taking in large numbers of Uzbeks.

    China has way too many people to need to do this, plus Russia is about as de-industialized if not more so than the EU, so they will need it also.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  83. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    So now you celebrate the 'global warming'? You guys are weird, at the bottom of it is not much more but hatred for anything 'Russian', it trumps everything...

    Your attempt to compare blowing up a pipeline in international waters to the level of storage supplies in some gas tanks is very pathetic - not at all on the same level. If you don't get that, read something about criminal law.

    Who sells what to whom and at what price has nothing to do with 'high trust'. But you know that, you are just trying to distract the few fools around here (Mr. Hacks?)...crime is a crime, prices are simply trade. I would like a new i-Phone 14 for $200, why can't I have one? Why didn't US ship a million of them to my local mall so they would have to sell them at a deep discount?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    Beckow and his buddy waiting for a $200 I-phone 14*. Clearly, he’s living in a fool’s paradise. 🙂

    *over 6″ long…like carrying around a subway sandwich in your pocket, and at $800 before a trade in, why not consider an Android flip for $600 after a trade-in? Fits in any pocket easily, expands to over 6 inches when you’re using it – much smarter!

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you sell mobile phones, Mr. Hacks? Sorry to hear it, no wonder you like fat chicas and 110 degree weather...

    By the way, I never wear head coverings of any kind...try again...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  84. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    The smart ones from the younger generation in Estonia have learned these high status values
     
    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    It appears that Portugal is willing to give one year residence permits to people from all those countries, it is not clear whether this is a permanent residence which would allow them to reside anywhere in the EU. It looks like an internal Portuguese affair (it's for Brazilians).

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way

    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.

    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.
     
    Most Western youngsters identify more with their Discord channel and their MPOG team than with an ethnic group, let alone a nation. The kids are netizens before they are citizens. Global networks are coming to replace everything else.

    The period of classical Empires is gone, the nations are also heading towards the exit. So do the traditional religious affiliations too. The conflicts in MENA and Eastern Europea are archaic. They only exist because people are vindictive and actually rather dumb. Intelligent people would have never brought such a calamity upon themselves or would have fixed it ASAP if handled by their ancestors.

    Sorry for being somewhat vulgar, but in these conflicts, as the Russian saying goes: "борьба была равна, боролись два го☆на." People who have started this are only worthy of disdain, those who perpetuate it and derive pride from it are pitiful...
    , @LatW
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.
     
    I was talking about the elites, not the "youth" - I thought you were talking about the elites in your original post? And, btw, some of the elites are quite young. My point was that your example is not a good one because the Baltic States are a bit different than the rest of the EU in this regard in that a sizable portion of the elites (not all, but a sizable portion) are not connected to what you call the "high status ideology". Yes, there is such a type who are trying to do that (similar to how back in the day, some tried to larp as "Germans", we called them "willow Germans" - willow being a light flexible tree that bends easily or sways easily, they are looked down on, similarly, we now have "willow Anglos" or "willow Euros" - people who kiss up to the leading ideology but they are not the majority). One can be respectable and successful without adhering to this ideology.

    I'm not saying this won't change at some point. But it is not the case now. It is different from the West that way. Again, for now.

    Also, looking further into the future, we do not know what will be the status of this ideology. What will be the status of the West. It doesn't mean that other ideologies (those in the East) will become more appealing, everyone sees the duplicity of them (authoritarian at home but parking your money in the West or other safe places), besides the essence of those ideologies is not that appealing to begin with.


    It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off.
     
    The package deal is not "black and white". The package deal is a parliamentary set up with everyone represented at the Euro Parliament and a pluralistic system. The package deal also respects local culture - this is emphasized in how languages are respected in the EU. You have a very one sided view of the EU. Remember also, if things get really bad - too compromising - there is a way out, it is not like the Soviet Union that way.

    You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military
     
    There is no "joy" in what is happening. This is a humanitarian catastrophe and a deep wound on the body of everyone who is post-USSR, that will not heal (or will take forever to heal). The scale of this was not expected. There is no "joy", just dislike, worry and some minor fear.

    But, yes, that they moved the troops from Pskov to Ukraine might be a bit of a relief.

    Everyone is thinking, comprehensively, what can be done to make the future safer. There is no joy, the price for the Ukrainians is excruciatingly high. And it's not even over.


    but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore
     
    This will be neither the fault of Russia nor the West. This will be our own fault.

    Once again, thank you for your "kind hearted" concern, it is noted. Not that you guys don't have similar problems and not that you have some "magical pill" to solve these problems.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Wokechoke

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

  85. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    So now you celebrate the 'global warming'? You guys are weird, at the bottom of it is not much more but hatred for anything 'Russian', it trumps everything...

    Your attempt to compare blowing up a pipeline in international waters to the level of storage supplies in some gas tanks is very pathetic - not at all on the same level. If you don't get that, read something about criminal law.

    Who sells what to whom and at what price has nothing to do with 'high trust'. But you know that, you are just trying to distract the few fools around here (Mr. Hacks?)...crime is a crime, prices are simply trade. I would like a new i-Phone 14 for $200, why can't I have one? Why didn't US ship a million of them to my local mall so they would have to sell them at a deep discount?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory, so all your fuss about equalizing is misplaced, as is laughable the whining about trust breach from the fan of the side, which is abusing that trust.

    However, deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense in criminal codes too, so should read about it indeed;)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory
     
    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it. However, which particular killer was hired to pull the trigger is rarely established.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    What does it mean that you are not a 'proponent' of something that unquestionably happened? It is kind of like saying that you are not a proponent of the sun rising tomorrow...good luck with that. Once you depart reality it is a lonely place - only you, Mr. Hacks, and of course Biden&Co....


    deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense
     
    Riiiight....and in international trade no less...where the hell do you live? There is so much 'deliberate market manipulation by dominant players' that your head would spin. But not for you, since you really, really, like those particular dominant players, it is ok. You are reaching new levels of pathological hypocrisy...or is it narcissism in your case?

    Replies: @sudden death

  86. The alt-right or whatever you want to call it seems these days to be limited to two tendencies; retreat to fantasy, or despairing gloom and defeatism.

    The retreat to fantasy is a striking feature of the rights mentality that really came to the fore in the last year or so. I find it absolutely fascinating and am somewhat perplexed by it. It’s very prominent on this site, especially it’s owners comments, but to really get a good taste of it go to Vox Days blog. I enjoy going there once a week or so to discover a completely alternative reality that I did not know I lived in 🙂

    But this retreat to fantasy is very interesting. It used to be a notable feature of the Arab mentality, especially in it’s wars with Israel, but I think to some extent it’s a regular feature of undeveloped societies in general.

    As far as I can understand it, the retreat to fantasy is the gesture of someone who isn’t serious about acquiring power – people with a weak will to power who prefer comfort.

    People who are serious about acquiring power are the harshest, most unsparing realists – they are really tough on themselves. They choose pain over comfort, they know how to inflict pain on themselves. (I don’t mean “realism” in the sense that they are materialists who discount the so called “supernatural”. Rather the opposite).

    The retreat to fantasy on the right simply means it is a movement not really interested, for the moment, in acquiring genuine power, and would rather relax in a nice soothing bed with goose feather pillows and plush quilts – which is a tendency that all men and women of good will should rather encourage, so it’s fine by me 🙂

    But still, interesting from a sociological perspective.

    But it’s the second tendency of the Right that really annoys me – the complete defeatism and gloom. You see this very prominently in some of the commenters on this forum, but you’ll see it in Rod Drehers blog, Paul Kingsnorths blog, and countless others.

    One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything.

    I am not of the Right – in fact I despise much of what they stand for. Yet in terms of my values and what I desire the world if anything is even more grim and terrible – yet I don’t succumb to despair and remain cheerful and high spirited.

    In the end, what these two tendencies reveal is that the right is essentially part of nihilistic modernity no less than any other faction.

    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

     

    This why the carefully woven patterns of cousin marriages are so important - they are structural relics of a family of civilizations of the past, and its [matrilineal] system of values.


    "One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything."

    God would call that arrogance. Plus, no punishment by God would be possible, as consequences of act [punishment] would be divorced from the act itself. Imagine the world where God constantly punishes trespassers but they never realize it is a punishment. This is what you are effectively proposing.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  87. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.
     
    They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    The EU was spec'd out in the late 1930's early 1940's by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    We all are fascists now.

    Reminds me of what Jimmy Dore said: “Why do we fund Nazis in Kiev? Why can’t we fund our own? We have them”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn't listen to Tulsi Gabbard's Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

  88. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    You know very well me not being the proponent of "blowup of NS by US" theory, so all your fuss about equalizing is misplaced, as is laughable the whining about trust breach from the fan of the side, which is abusing that trust.

    However, deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense in criminal codes too, so should read about it indeed;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory

    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it. However, which particular killer was hired to pull the trigger is rarely established.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory
     
    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it.
     
    You are misunderstanding the application of IQ in this context.

    Everyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that the most likely scenario is that the NS events are accidents. Mistakes do last 17+ hours.

    There is a very special form of stupidity that plagues high-IQ individuals who have no relevant knowledge and then over reach. Jeffery Sachs is a perfect example of this. He is a competent economist who got virology 100% wrong.

    PEACE 😇
  89. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    We all are fascists now.
     
    Reminds me of what Jimmy Dore said: “Why do we fund Nazis in Kiev? Why can’t we fund our own? We have them”.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn’t listen to Tulsi Gabbard’s Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Tulsi Gabbard is a very interesting and perhaps quite promising politician. And that on top of being an esthetically pleasing lady (unlike the Victoria Nuland's types).

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?
     
    Can’t say, did not stay long enough: I got bored and left at 4:15 (that’s 3 h 45 min after the start, something like 2 h after boring repetitions started).
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.
     
    And he honestly says that. Whereas libtards are a comedy (or a freak show, if you are a pessimist) but they would never acknowledge that. E.g., you cannot parody Alzheimer-in-chief, he is a perfect self-parody.
  90. I was reading a bit in Richard Burtons interesting little tract The Jew, the Gypsy, and El Islam, and I came upon this amusing description of the sort of Ashkenazi Jews who had immigrated to Palestine in the 19th century –

    The Ashkenazím, who are wrongly represented to be considered pariahs by the Sephardím, have brought from Northern climates a manliness of bearing, a stoutness of spirit, and a physical hardness strongly contrasting with the cowardly and effeminate, the despised and despicable Sephardím “Jew of Israel’s land.” If spoken to fiercely, they will reply in kind; if struck, they will return the blow; and they do not fear to mount a horse, unlike their Southern brethren, who prefer an ass, or at most an ambling pony, to the best of Arab blood. They will travel by night over difficult and dangerous paths, whereas their congeners tremble to quit the city walls; and they can endure extremes of heat and cold, of hunger and thirst, which might be fatal to any soft Syrian who would imitate them. The Ashkenazím of the Holy Land are in a word “men”; the Sephardím are not. “The Spanish and Portuguese Jews are of far higher and more intellectual type than the English and German,” says Dr. Linsdale. Possibly; but in the matter of manliness there is no comparison. And, as has been remarked,[Pg 56] the Ashkenazi is “eating up” the Sephardi wherever they meet.

    Now, his description of the Sephardim certainly no longer applies today in Israel. The Sephardim are physically very robust and generally good looking and athletic today, in Israel, and have a reputation for being tough, and certainly not for cowardice or effeminacy – although no more so than the Ashkenazim.

    But I have always thought that Ashkenazim in Israel – the early ones at least – were a self-selected bunch and were selected for qualities that would be required in a primitive pioneering society. Arthur Koestler, in his book on Israel, noted also that the men looked basically like robust northern Europeans and not like the urban Jews he was used to (successive waves of Ashkenazim probably complicated the picture with less self selected bunch)

    And certainly, the above description cannot be applied with the same force to the majority of diaspora Jews, in America and Europe.

    What I loved and enjoyed about living in Israel as a child in the 80s was the Wild West atmosphere of the place, the vast open spaces, and the pioneering spirit – I haven’t been there in a while, but like all things no doubt those times are gone and Israel has, no doubt, “grown up” and become boring. Is it still empty and wild? Doubtful. My friends return with reports of a stifling bureaucracy and heavy handed state.

    I should probably visit soon to satisfy my curiosity.

    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.

    It’s like the world is old, and we can only imagine the old ethnic and racial categories. But why? The Romans were an interesting and worthwhile people, with interesting characteristics. But they gave way to and became a part of the Italians, who were a novel people, capable of doing entirely new things, and equally worthwhile and interesting.

    Of course, I’m not proposing Globalism – the forced and unnatural combinations of humans to smooth out differences and create a boring uniform type. Rather the opposite! A rich “particularity” of culture and people that nevertheless is an example of universal spiritual themes.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.
     
    You are turning here a (proposed) ethnogenesis process into metaphysics, your main tendency, and deviation. Metaphysics make you claim some new people.

    But in these words, you are also extremely extremely modern - they could very well stand on the opinion page of "The Guardian" or "New York Times", or even "Haaretz", I suppose. Obviously the new is good, obviously the new transcends the old, obviously the new is unlike anything ever was (The Book of Hiob notwithstanding).
    Wishful metaphyscis, I say.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  91. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn't listen to Tulsi Gabbard's Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Tulsi Gabbard is a very interesting and perhaps quite promising politician. And that on top of being an esthetically pleasing lady (unlike the Victoria Nuland’s types).

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.
     
    Tulsi has no chance as long as the American political system remains corrupt to the core. On the other hand, in a democracy with her record, message, and looks she’d have a shot at it.
  92. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    One can have a successful ‘imperium’ – a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions – only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.
     
    They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    The EU was spec'd out in the late 1930's early 1940's by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    …They always have the exact same ideology: do not mess with my stuff. Anything else is busy work for the rabble.

    That’s true, but when anything else is elevated to absurd levels – the one-world, worship-Floyds-LGwhatever-hate whitey, etc… – it is ideological. Whether the people pushing it believe it or only use it to control the rabble really doesn’t make that much difference. It is everywhere, it is what they have become…

    EU was spec’d out in the late 1930’s early 1940’s by German bankers. We all are fascists now.

    Among others…to be fair the one-Europe idea has been pushed by multiple groups – Napoleon was also into it, and before him assorted Catholic dynasties. The basic plan always runs into an issue with enough material resources and land. That triggers an attack on the east where there are plenty of resources…we have ended up there again.

    It is very unlikely it will work this time – actually this one is comparatively among the weakest attacks. The only thing the West has going for it this time are the endless Ukie human sacrifices…and social media (!) It won’t be pretty to look back at the carnage and stupidity, it never is, the Westerners always for a time apologize profusely – and then they start hating and plotting again. They will never forgive.

  93. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.
     
    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don't speak to you anymore.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW, @Triteleia Laxa

    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.

    Most Western youngsters identify more with their Discord channel and their MPOG team than with an ethnic group, let alone a nation. The kids are netizens before they are citizens. Global networks are coming to replace everything else.

    The period of classical Empires is gone, the nations are also heading towards the exit. So do the traditional religious affiliations too. The conflicts in MENA and Eastern Europea are archaic. They only exist because people are vindictive and actually rather dumb. Intelligent people would have never brought such a calamity upon themselves or would have fixed it ASAP if handled by their ancestors.

    Sorry for being somewhat vulgar, but in these conflicts, as the Russian saying goes: “борьба была равна, боролись два го☆на.” People who have started this are only worthy of disdain, those who perpetuate it and derive pride from it are pitiful…

  94. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Beckow and his buddy waiting for a $200 I-phone 14*. Clearly, he's living in a fool's paradise. :-)

    *over 6" long...like carrying around a subway sandwich in your pocket, and at $800 before a trade in, why not consider an Android flip for $600 after a trade-in? Fits in any pocket easily, expands to over 6 inches when you're using it - much smarter!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/53/86/b8/5386b8b35a981170841ef3fc9a87d4bb.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    Do you sell mobile phones, Mr. Hacks? Sorry to hear it, no wonder you like fat chicas and 110 degree weather…

    By the way, I never wear head coverings of any kind…try again…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    You're the one who first bro9u9ght up cellphones and their costs, remember?...

    I do like Mexican ladies, they usually have very pleasant personalities, and a lot of them are quite attractive too. As for weather, we've been experiencing mid 60's for several weeks now, poised to experience 70's soon enough. How about you? Next time you visit Phoenix do so from October - March - nobody visits during the summer months except those that don't know any better. Don't expect to hook up with me during the summer, I hope to be gone to the cooler lake country up north....

    Replies: @Beckow

  95. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    You know very well me not being the proponent of "blowup of NS by US" theory, so all your fuss about equalizing is misplaced, as is laughable the whining about trust breach from the fan of the side, which is abusing that trust.

    However, deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense in criminal codes too, so should read about it indeed;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    What does it mean that you are not a ‘proponent‘ of something that unquestionably happened? It is kind of like saying that you are not a proponent of the sun rising tomorrow…good luck with that. Once you depart reality it is a lonely place – only you, Mr. Hacks, and of course Biden&Co….

    deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense

    Riiiight….and in international trade no less…where the hell do you live? There is so much ‘deliberate market manipulation by dominant players‘ that your head would spin. But not for you, since you really, really, like those particular dominant players, it is ok. You are reaching new levels of pathological hypocrisy…or is it narcissism in your case?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    There are not so few people for whom alien abductions at night for the sake of anal probing are happening unquestionably, so such belief in a single blog post with plenty of holes might be similar;)

    A country, which is capable to contaminate its own international pipelines flowing the main source of income like oil, also is more than capable to blow underwater ones due to incompetence too, the malice of any side is not only one explanation left atm.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

  96. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Tulsi Gabbard is a very interesting and perhaps quite promising politician. And that on top of being an esthetically pleasing lady (unlike the Victoria Nuland's types).

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Tulsi as the first female POTUS ? Would be surprising given her stance seems running against the MIC and the Deep State.

    Tulsi has no chance as long as the American political system remains corrupt to the core. On the other hand, in a democracy with her record, message, and looks she’d have a shot at it.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  97. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin's "Letters From Russia", perhaps only to feel somewhat topical :) After all, I do live in these times.

    It's a bit of an infamous book, banned in Russia until 1996, apparently, and originally published in 1843 in France.

    Custine was a French reactionary, who hated and feared democracy, and traveled to Russia to find arguments against democracy then developing in France. What he found in Russia horrified him. He was horrified by the autocracy, oppression, and cruelty of the upper classes, but also by the cringing subservience and servility of the population and their own willing participation in their oppression.

    It is an interesting case of "getting what you wished for" curing your illusions about the thing you desired - I'd wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Which isn't to defend modern liberalism (Woke, etc) - it is indeed awful. I often say to my friends that the Right is often correct in it's criticism, or at least it's sense that something is terribly wrong, but right-wing "solutions" would be horrific.

    For myself, I have always liked Russians whenever I met them, and obviously Russia will always occupy a glorious place in world literature and music. I've never been there, and I'm sure there are fascinating aspects to the culture and lifestyle that I'd love to see in happier times (at the moment, I imagine Russia is boringly autocratic, as autocratic tendencies make everything boring).

    I also find there is often a "paradox" with human societies, where formally very bad structures and behaviors somehow produce on another level very interesting, appealing, and valuable people and institutions - Russia, for instance, used to have a very appealing spiritual life on one level and produced many interesting and valuable spiritual types, despite on another level being spiritually horrific.

    But there is obviously a dark side to that country that - perhaps too banal an observation to need making - that keeps on cropping up, and should be something we all know more about.

    So to that end, I read!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @LatW

    I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Yeah. The countries that oppose the West are all shitty places to live. But that’s only really an issue if you think that those countries are good or that you would rather live there.

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn’t want to live in a place like either of them. But they are enemies of the regime ruling the United States and I support them on that narrow front. No hypocrisy there.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn’t want to live in a place like either of them.
     
    Can’t say anything about PRC, I was in big China only briefly (once at a scientific meeting, once as a tourist). Today’s RF is perfectly livable (you need to speak the language, though), whereas the US is developing the worst features of the late unlamented Soviet Union at an alarming pace.
    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    Oh, I get that, but I think you're making an extremely serious mistake.

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase the likelihood that Western society becomes like them. That's how these things work.

    I think the much more intelligent course is to work for reform within the West - I too despise the current regime, the culture of Woke, etc. In fact, my spiritual beliefs cause me to despise far, far more aspects of the current system than you or any alt-righter!

    A person like Vox Day, actually admires Russia and China - he admires cruelty, oppression, authoritarianism, etc. So it makes total sense for him to support a victory for those countries, as he'd like to see that reproduced in the West.

    He imagines he would be a member of the elite, and have the opportunity to oppress others, and he lives vicariously through those countries now as best he can.

    But if this isn't your attitude, and you recognize that those countries are currently worse than the West - even though the West is terrible! - then you're making a possibly fatal mistake. This "us/them" thinking is far too simplistic.

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

  98. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn't listen to Tulsi Gabbard's Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    Can’t say, did not stay long enough: I got bored and left at 4:15 (that’s 3 h 45 min after the start, something like 2 h after boring repetitions started).

  99. @War Observer
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Estonia will be expected to take in non-white asylum seekers.
     
    And who may I ask, is the hidden hand forcing Russia to naturalize almost 200,000 Tajiks every year? Aided of course by the Russian-language schools established by Putin (again some hidden hand must be forcing him correct?)

    Russian schools open in Tajikistan

    Naturalization of Tajiks by the Russian Federation

    2011 - 6,152
    2012 - 9,773
    2013 - 12,476
    2014 - 14,638
    2015 - 16,758
    2016 - 23,012
    2017 - 29,039
    2018 - 35,732
    2019 - 44,707
    2020 - 63,389
    2021 - 103,681
    2022 - 173,634

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Ivashka the fool

    According to the Center for Analytical and Practical Research of Migration Processes, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine led to an increase in the influx of migrants to the Russian Federation, replacing local residents (dead, wounded, disabled and those who left)[1]. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    According to official data for 2014, Russia ranks first in Europe and second in the world after the United States in terms of the number of labor migrants[3]. According to the data of the Federal State Statistics Service, the bulk of migrants are from the CIS countries[4]. Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed[5][6]. According to the National Research University Higher School of Economics, in 2013 the number of legal and illegal labor migrants in Russia was about 7,000,000 people[7], according to the Russian Federal Migration Service – 4.5 million[8], over 83% of which are citizens from the CIS countries with visa-free entry to Russia

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

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    По данным Центра аналитических и практических исследований миграционных процессов вторжение России на Украину привело к росту притока мигрантов в РФ, заменяющих местных жителей (погибших, раненых, инвалидов и уехавших)[1]. По данным МВД, в январе-сентябре 2022 г. в РФ приехало 12,78 млн мигрантов, что на 3,5 млн больше, чем за аналогичный период 2021 г[2].

    По официальным данным на 2014 год Россия занимает первое место в Европе и второе в мире после США по количеству трудовых мигрантов[3]. Согласно данным Федеральной службы государственной статистики, основную массу мигрантов составляют выходцы из стран СНГ[4]. В Москву с целью трудоустройства ежегодно прибывают до 2 млн иностранных граждан, из них официально трудоустроено 300—400 тысяч[5][6]. По данным НИУ ВШЭ, в 2013 году количество легальных и нелегальных трудовых мигрантов в России составляло около 7 000 000 человек[7], по оценкам ФМС России — 4,5 млн[8], свыше 83 % которых — это граждане из стран СНГ с безвизовым порядком въезда в Россию

    Русский мир, бл☆ !

    Спасибо Путину за это…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].
     
    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That's a lot.

    Assuming something like one million young Russian men left to avoid being himars'ed (ok, this number is debatable, but it is at least hundreds of thousands apparently). Then the recent casualties of the war (possibly a 100K both killed and wounded, maybe more, as not all will be counted). Possibly others who left as early as January 2022.

    On the plus side (for Russia, I guess) - a large number of Ukrainians who fled to Russia or children who were trafficked into Russia (they say it is at least tens of thousands of children), overall refugees could be a large number.

    However, this is not 12 or almost 13M. That means the vast bulk of them are young Central Asians. Possibly others like Vietnamese, etc.


    Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed
     
    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It's a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won't be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    Русский мир
     
    Русский, indeed. My deepest condolences.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  100. @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    Yeah. The countries that oppose the West are all shitty places to live. But that's only really an issue if you think that those countries are good or that you would rather live there.

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place like either of them. But they are enemies of the regime ruling the United States and I support them on that narrow front. No hypocrisy there.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn’t want to live in a place like either of them.

    Can’t say anything about PRC, I was in big China only briefly (once at a scientific meeting, once as a tourist). Today’s RF is perfectly livable (you need to speak the language, though), whereas the US is developing the worst features of the late unlamented Soviet Union at an alarming pace.

  101. @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    Yeah. The countries that oppose the West are all shitty places to live. But that's only really an issue if you think that those countries are good or that you would rather live there.

    I have never expressed any admiration for Russia and China and I certainly wouldn't want to live in a place like either of them. But they are enemies of the regime ruling the United States and I support them on that narrow front. No hypocrisy there.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Oh, I get that, but I think you’re making an extremely serious mistake.

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase the likelihood that Western society becomes like them. That’s how these things work.

    I think the much more intelligent course is to work for reform within the West – I too despise the current regime, the culture of Woke, etc. In fact, my spiritual beliefs cause me to despise far, far more aspects of the current system than you or any alt-righter!

    A person like Vox Day, actually admires Russia and China – he admires cruelty, oppression, authoritarianism, etc. So it makes total sense for him to support a victory for those countries, as he’d like to see that reproduced in the West.

    He imagines he would be a member of the elite, and have the opportunity to oppress others, and he lives vicariously through those countries now as best he can.

    But if this isn’t your attitude, and you recognize that those countries are currently worse than the West – even though the West is terrible! – then you’re making a possibly fatal mistake. This “us/them” thinking is far too simplistic.

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You're Israeli, right? I remember well how Israel's defeat in the 2006 Lebanon War ended Israel's plan to make Judea and Samaria judenfrei. The Israeli far rightist who were rooting for Hezbollah in that war didn't want to be ruled by Nasrallah but they wanted to see the Israeli regime weakened so it would have less power to persecute them.

    That's where I am, the weaker the US regime is, the less damage it can do here at home. Right now, China/Russia pose no threat to me, the US regime does. If the situation changes, my opinion will change with it.

    Also: fuck white liberals


    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.
     
    But my (brilliant, imo) thesis is that the West's problems are the result of a fraudulent monetary policy that is inherently unreformable. I'm all for building something better, but the current system cannot be reformed, it can only collapse. Accelerationism is the only way out.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    , @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase...
     
    Too many people from all sides talk about what they would want, or not want, and speculate how it would change the world. None of that is very relevant - what happens is not based on our wants. The war is driven by a simple correlation of forces and willpower. The victory - if we ever agree on it, and it is not at all certain that we will in this 'media' war - will determine the rest.

    Let's see: X decided some time ago that Y is weak and that by using a smaller Z, neighbor of Y, major benefits can be obtained. X went for it, pushed and got ready, Z also got ready `and then - unsurprisngly - Y attacked.

    Y is much stronger than Z (even with X) in that region. X also has a major problem: it can't actually fight a real war because it cannot take casualties - in other words, X knows how to kill, but not how to die...that means it can kick-ass of any third rate country, but it has to stay away from countries like Y that can cause major casualties. So instead Z stepped in as the designated casualty-provider, X has been cheering them on from a safe distance...

    How is this likely to end? It is really not that complicated...

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  102. Edward N Luttwak makes it clear, the implosion and destruction of RusFed should be avoided.

    The reason he gives is that it might advantage China too much.

    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.

    (Спасибо Путину за это…)

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    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.
     
    It's correct that China may not want the RusFed "terminally weakened", but China still wants a weak RusFed that they can exploit. Also, if the craziest scenario comes to pass (RusFed loses spectacularly and chaos ensues at home, not a given, but an "if"), who in the world will be able to control this smuta? It will be so fragmented, that it will take some uber strict local leader to control, it is certainly not going to be outsiders from the West - they may try to influence the situation, but they will definitely not hold the reins on it.

    Xi will present his peace plan soon and most likely he will defend things such as "territorial integrity". He will not fully side with Russia.

    Btw, you know who didn't do well at the Munich Conference? The one Khodorkovsky. He was beset by Ukrainian journalists who questioned and almost shamed him about why he has not provided more help for the Ukrainians (out of his pocket, as many others did).

    Then when speaking to Dozhd, he admitted to be somewhat startled by how mainstream the talk about "disintegration of Russia" has become. Or maybe not "mainstream", but less marginal than before. These overseas Russian liberals are just sitting there, biding their time, hoping that the Ukrainian military and the Russian freedom fighters will topple Putin for them (paying with blood and sweat in the process) and then they can just cruise back in, and take all the warm seats in Russia like what they used to have back in the early 90s (just with higher commodity prices). I don't want to trash them, they have a right to their vision. It's just that things have changed, the attitude towards Russia has changed.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  103. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I was reading a bit in Richard Burtons interesting little tract The Jew, the Gypsy, and El Islam, and I came upon this amusing description of the sort of Ashkenazi Jews who had immigrated to Palestine in the 19th century -

    The Ashkenazím, who are wrongly represented to be considered pariahs by the Sephardím, have brought from Northern climates a manliness of bearing, a stoutness of spirit, and a physical hardness strongly contrasting with the cowardly and effeminate, the despised and despicable Sephardím “Jew of Israel’s land.” If spoken to fiercely, they will reply in kind; if struck, they will return the blow; and they do not fear to mount a horse, unlike their Southern brethren, who prefer an ass, or at most an ambling pony, to the best of Arab blood. They will travel by night over difficult and dangerous paths, whereas their congeners tremble to quit the city walls; and they can endure extremes of heat and cold, of hunger and thirst, which might be fatal to any soft Syrian who would imitate them. The Ashkenazím of the Holy Land are in a word “men”; the Sephardím are not. “The Spanish and Portuguese Jews are of far higher and more intellectual type than the English and German,” says Dr. Linsdale. Possibly; but in the matter of manliness there is no comparison. And, as has been remarked,[Pg 56] the Ashkenazi is “eating up” the Sephardi wherever they meet.
     
    Now, his description of the Sephardim certainly no longer applies today in Israel. The Sephardim are physically very robust and generally good looking and athletic today, in Israel, and have a reputation for being tough, and certainly not for cowardice or effeminacy - although no more so than the Ashkenazim.

    But I have always thought that Ashkenazim in Israel - the early ones at least - were a self-selected bunch and were selected for qualities that would be required in a primitive pioneering society. Arthur Koestler, in his book on Israel, noted also that the men looked basically like robust northern Europeans and not like the urban Jews he was used to (successive waves of Ashkenazim probably complicated the picture with less self selected bunch)

    And certainly, the above description cannot be applied with the same force to the majority of diaspora Jews, in America and Europe.

    What I loved and enjoyed about living in Israel as a child in the 80s was the Wild West atmosphere of the place, the vast open spaces, and the pioneering spirit - I haven't been there in a while, but like all things no doubt those times are gone and Israel has, no doubt, "grown up" and become boring. Is it still empty and wild? Doubtful. My friends return with reports of a stifling bureaucracy and heavy handed state.

    I should probably visit soon to satisfy my curiosity.

    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it's future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting - a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it - but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.

    It's like the world is old, and we can only imagine the old ethnic and racial categories. But why? The Romans were an interesting and worthwhile people, with interesting characteristics. But they gave way to and became a part of the Italians, who were a novel people, capable of doing entirely new things, and equally worthwhile and interesting.

    Of course, I'm not proposing Globalism - the forced and unnatural combinations of humans to smooth out differences and create a boring uniform type. Rather the opposite! A rich "particularity" of culture and people that nevertheless is an example of universal spiritual themes.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.

    You are turning here a (proposed) ethnogenesis process into metaphysics, your main tendency, and deviation. Metaphysics make you claim some new people.

    But in these words, you are also extremely extremely modern – they could very well stand on the opinion page of “The Guardian” or “New York Times”, or even “Haaretz”, I suppose. Obviously the new is good, obviously the new transcends the old, obviously the new is unlike anything ever was (The Book of Hiob notwithstanding).
    Wishful metaphyscis, I say.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Is that true, though? The modern vision is one of an engineered uniformity that specifically avoids the rich particularity of things produced through natural processes. A new culture, a new people, individual, particular, with traits, attributes, qualities, a way of life, a cuisine, habits, customs - in short, not just a stripped down, abstract, consumer or user of technology, a number, a unit - isn't this rather against the vision of modernity?

    Think of it this way - I want to build a baroque medieval Cathedral, modernity wants to build a steel and glass box :)

    That being said, I admitted I am not simply a traditionalist and do believe that as much as we must be inspired by the past, and even resurrect parts of it, we must reach out to the new - only, not the new as conceived by technological modernity, but the new as increasing realization of divine Good.

    And I have also made clear that I believe ethnogenesis to be primarily a spiritual and metaphysical process, not a physical one. In fact, the new people I'm envisioning can even retain it's exact current ethnic composition and successfully mutate into an entirely novel culture and people.

    The factors that make a people - that bind them- are metaphysical not genetic. People of the same genetic stock often divide into different peoples.

    But perhaps in my zeal I'm overstating the case. Why not let the physical also make a contribution, provided one understands the metaphysical binding agents are primary?

    No doubt, physical mixing will contribute to this novel prompt, or happen inevitably anyways. It's already happening in Israel.

  104. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    What does it mean that you are not a 'proponent' of something that unquestionably happened? It is kind of like saying that you are not a proponent of the sun rising tomorrow...good luck with that. Once you depart reality it is a lonely place - only you, Mr. Hacks, and of course Biden&Co....


    deliberate market manipulation and abuse of a dominant player is an offense
     
    Riiiight....and in international trade no less...where the hell do you live? There is so much 'deliberate market manipulation by dominant players' that your head would spin. But not for you, since you really, really, like those particular dominant players, it is ok. You are reaching new levels of pathological hypocrisy...or is it narcissism in your case?

    Replies: @sudden death

    There are not so few people for whom alien abductions at night for the sake of anal probing are happening unquestionably, so such belief in a single blog post with plenty of holes might be similar;)

    A country, which is capable to contaminate its own international pipelines flowing the main source of income like oil, also is more than capable to blow underwater ones due to incompetence too, the malice of any side is not only one explanation left atm.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    Aliens? where did you go my friend...you are really getting lost in your attempts to evade the obvious...

    But ok, the perpetrator is a mystery...Of course, they won't confess but will boast about it - a weird combination that requires simultaneously lack of honor and self-discipline, like small children hiding candy behind their back...

    Cui bono? For a milli-second try to reverse the players and imagine how credible it would if the pipeline was American and Russia had shown - repeatedly and in writing - an absolute hostility to the pipeline...can you try? or is your mind so hardwired that 'enemy' is an 'enemy', and your side can do no wrong....that's how civilizations perish.

    , @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don't want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren't acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it's crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn't have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that's just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

  105. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    The alt-right or whatever you want to call it seems these days to be limited to two tendencies; retreat to fantasy, or despairing gloom and defeatism.

    The retreat to fantasy is a striking feature of the rights mentality that really came to the fore in the last year or so. I find it absolutely fascinating and am somewhat perplexed by it. It's very prominent on this site, especially it's owners comments, but to really get a good taste of it go to Vox Days blog. I enjoy going there once a week or so to discover a completely alternative reality that I did not know I lived in :)

    But this retreat to fantasy is very interesting. It used to be a notable feature of the Arab mentality, especially in it's wars with Israel, but I think to some extent it's a regular feature of undeveloped societies in general.

    As far as I can understand it, the retreat to fantasy is the gesture of someone who isn't serious about acquiring power - people with a weak will to power who prefer comfort.

    People who are serious about acquiring power are the harshest, most unsparing realists - they are really tough on themselves. They choose pain over comfort, they know how to inflict pain on themselves. (I don't mean "realism" in the sense that they are materialists who discount the so called "supernatural". Rather the opposite).

    The retreat to fantasy on the right simply means it is a movement not really interested, for the moment, in acquiring genuine power, and would rather relax in a nice soothing bed with goose feather pillows and plush quilts - which is a tendency that all men and women of good will should rather encourage, so it's fine by me :)

    But still, interesting from a sociological perspective.

    But it's the second tendency of the Right that really annoys me - the complete defeatism and gloom. You see this very prominently in some of the commenters on this forum, but you'll see it in Rod Drehers blog, Paul Kingsnorths blog, and countless others.

    One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything.

    I am not of the Right - in fact I despise much of what they stand for. Yet in terms of my values and what I desire the world if anything is even more grim and terrible - yet I don't succumb to despair and remain cheerful and high spirited.

    In the end, what these two tendencies reveal is that the right is essentially part of nihilistic modernity no less than any other faction.

    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism - if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

    This why the carefully woven patterns of cousin marriages are so important – they are structural relics of a family of civilizations of the past, and its [matrilineal] system of values.

    “One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything.”

    God would call that arrogance. Plus, no punishment by God would be possible, as consequences of act [punishment] would be divorced from the act itself. Imagine the world where God constantly punishes trespassers but they never realize it is a punishment. This is what you are effectively proposing.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    To be fair, the opposite perspective - a wholesome recognition of every happenstance as the act of God, the attitude the Arabs call "maktub" (in philosophical terms, a kind of extreme occasionalism aka the doctrine that God is the only true cause ) - also leads to divorce between a deed and its consequences, since everything can be potentially connected to anything.

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Another Polish Perspective

    The truth is the exact opposite of what you say.

    I'm not proposing that you don't acknowledge that you suffer or don't recognize bad situations - you just don't collapse in despair, and remain high hearted. Even if that means recognizing you have to radically change your behavior and yourself.

    Thing is, in a world created by a Good God, ones fundamental attitude, despite everything, must be optimism. Weren't the Gospels the good news? Read the early Christians - they were full of good cheer and optimism while quite clearly acknowledging the awfulness of the world situation on the proximate level.

    A Good God, who will not abandon his creation but lovingly lead everyone to the Way, and who has already defeated the dark powers on high and rescued mankind from bondage to them, wants his creatures to be optimistic and of good cheer.

    Far from arrogance, it can only be such a God's desire.

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness :)

    Quite aside from God, though, one should be of enough of a philosophical temper, and have enough of a breadth of view, to develop a certain sophisticated detachment from this silly world of ours :)

    Montaigne said that philosophically, despair and sadness are stupid, and the philosopher is cheerful :)

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole :)

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  106. @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    At this point in my life, I am not attached to the Jewish character of Israel, and my own vision for it’s future is of a Jewish-Arab fusion that will produce something novel and interesting – a new cultural entity, neither Jewish, nor Arab, but that thing that in the seeming old age of the world we have perhaps forgotten can exist, a novel people and culture? European, Arab, Levantine, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, elements will go into it – but it will be unlike any of these and transcend them all.
     
    You are turning here a (proposed) ethnogenesis process into metaphysics, your main tendency, and deviation. Metaphysics make you claim some new people.

    But in these words, you are also extremely extremely modern - they could very well stand on the opinion page of "The Guardian" or "New York Times", or even "Haaretz", I suppose. Obviously the new is good, obviously the new transcends the old, obviously the new is unlike anything ever was (The Book of Hiob notwithstanding).
    Wishful metaphyscis, I say.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Is that true, though? The modern vision is one of an engineered uniformity that specifically avoids the rich particularity of things produced through natural processes. A new culture, a new people, individual, particular, with traits, attributes, qualities, a way of life, a cuisine, habits, customs – in short, not just a stripped down, abstract, consumer or user of technology, a number, a unit – isn’t this rather against the vision of modernity?

    Think of it this way – I want to build a baroque medieval Cathedral, modernity wants to build a steel and glass box 🙂

    That being said, I admitted I am not simply a traditionalist and do believe that as much as we must be inspired by the past, and even resurrect parts of it, we must reach out to the new – only, not the new as conceived by technological modernity, but the new as increasing realization of divine Good.

    And I have also made clear that I believe ethnogenesis to be primarily a spiritual and metaphysical process, not a physical one. In fact, the new people I’m envisioning can even retain it’s exact current ethnic composition and successfully mutate into an entirely novel culture and people.

    The factors that make a people – that bind them- are metaphysical not genetic. People of the same genetic stock often divide into different peoples.

    But perhaps in my zeal I’m overstating the case. Why not let the physical also make a contribution, provided one understands the metaphysical binding agents are primary?

    No doubt, physical mixing will contribute to this novel prompt, or happen inevitably anyways. It’s already happening in Israel.

  107. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you sell mobile phones, Mr. Hacks? Sorry to hear it, no wonder you like fat chicas and 110 degree weather...

    By the way, I never wear head coverings of any kind...try again...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You’re the one who first bro9u9ght up cellphones and their costs, remember?…

    I do like Mexican ladies, they usually have very pleasant personalities, and a lot of them are quite attractive too. As for weather, we’ve been experiencing mid 60’s for several weeks now, poised to experience 70’s soon enough. How about you? Next time you visit Phoenix do so from October – March – nobody visits during the summer months except those that don’t know any better. Don’t expect to hook up with me during the summer, I hope to be gone to the cooler lake country up north….

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, I remember, during summers you go to visit the mosquito country...

    And the Mex-chicas, they are indeed pleasant, eating all those carbohydrates help. They also tend to have a 2-3 years attractive window when they are of certain age....after that, well, when it is hot like in Phoenix maybe it doesn't make that much difference...

    For your enjoyment I am reposting something from another (maybe better?) culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALtzTmPz-E

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  108. @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

     

    This why the carefully woven patterns of cousin marriages are so important - they are structural relics of a family of civilizations of the past, and its [matrilineal] system of values.


    "One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything."

    God would call that arrogance. Plus, no punishment by God would be possible, as consequences of act [punishment] would be divorced from the act itself. Imagine the world where God constantly punishes trespassers but they never realize it is a punishment. This is what you are effectively proposing.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    To be fair, the opposite perspective – a wholesome recognition of every happenstance as the act of God, the attitude the Arabs call “maktub” (in philosophical terms, a kind of extreme occasionalism aka the doctrine that God is the only true cause ) – also leads to divorce between a deed and its consequences, since everything can be potentially connected to anything.

  109. @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I am reminded of French anthropologist Levi-Strauus theory of structuralism – if two social institutions seem opposed but share the same underlying structure, they are the same thing really.

     

    This why the carefully woven patterns of cousin marriages are so important - they are structural relics of a family of civilizations of the past, and its [matrilineal] system of values.


    "One of the attitudes that I think every worthwhile human being must have, is be high spirited in the face of overwhelming odds, to sort of laugh at fate and grim necessity, and to remain cheerful, and with high morale, in the face of the terribleness of everything."

    God would call that arrogance. Plus, no punishment by God would be possible, as consequences of act [punishment] would be divorced from the act itself. Imagine the world where God constantly punishes trespassers but they never realize it is a punishment. This is what you are effectively proposing.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    The truth is the exact opposite of what you say.

    I’m not proposing that you don’t acknowledge that you suffer or don’t recognize bad situations – you just don’t collapse in despair, and remain high hearted. Even if that means recognizing you have to radically change your behavior and yourself.

    Thing is, in a world created by a Good God, ones fundamental attitude, despite everything, must be optimism. Weren’t the Gospels the good news? Read the early Christians – they were full of good cheer and optimism while quite clearly acknowledging the awfulness of the world situation on the proximate level.

    A Good God, who will not abandon his creation but lovingly lead everyone to the Way, and who has already defeated the dark powers on high and rescued mankind from bondage to them, wants his creatures to be optimistic and of good cheer.

    Far from arrogance, it can only be such a God’s desire.

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness 🙂

    Quite aside from God, though, one should be of enough of a philosophical temper, and have enough of a breadth of view, to develop a certain sophisticated detachment from this silly world of ours 🙂

    Montaigne said that philosophically, despair and sadness are stupid, and the philosopher is cheerful 🙂

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole 🙂

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness
     
    Experience as well as the Bible provide more support to the idea that this is true, than to the idea that this is untrue. However, God punishes but is not jealous of human happiness (unless you are a freemason which you very well might be).

    Negating the Evil does not cancel it - you are a bit like a self-blinded man talking about the greatness of darkness.

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole
     
    I think I am rather detached - neither despairing nor singing hymns like you. Detachment is a natural consequence of being able of perceiving the great stupidity and the great blindness of the majority of humanity: indeed, it is such a great tragedy that it can be only contemplated in silent awe. Remember, only cosmic perspective, a perspective above the stars so to say, allows you to see the truth, among else that man has never been the crown of natural creation - in other words, the "religion" of survival is untrue. But, anyway, why we would need such a religion if that was true...?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  110. Vivek might be the prototype for yet unseen Indians in the West seeking national leadership, to try to walk back the woke. Overall, by comparison to other conservatives, his message is not really bad, but I find his official spot to be atrocious. Lots of backs of people, and dark silhouettes of cowboys, and people with welding-masks on. Way too many blacks – first face is of a black girl. His tone seems too weak and unsure. And I don’t think trying to re-appropriate foundational myths and spin them as diversity that worked (E. pluribus unum, LOL), seems like it could possibly gain traction. Who are they going to drudge up, Crispus Attucks?

    [MORE]

    Instead, he should focus on this:

    Of course, he is a long shot and doesn’t stand any chance to even be on a debate stage. But, perhaps, Sunak, Varadkar and Yousaf’s eventual successors could still take some lessons from him.

  111. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    Oh, I get that, but I think you're making an extremely serious mistake.

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase the likelihood that Western society becomes like them. That's how these things work.

    I think the much more intelligent course is to work for reform within the West - I too despise the current regime, the culture of Woke, etc. In fact, my spiritual beliefs cause me to despise far, far more aspects of the current system than you or any alt-righter!

    A person like Vox Day, actually admires Russia and China - he admires cruelty, oppression, authoritarianism, etc. So it makes total sense for him to support a victory for those countries, as he'd like to see that reproduced in the West.

    He imagines he would be a member of the elite, and have the opportunity to oppress others, and he lives vicariously through those countries now as best he can.

    But if this isn't your attitude, and you recognize that those countries are currently worse than the West - even though the West is terrible! - then you're making a possibly fatal mistake. This "us/them" thinking is far too simplistic.

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    You’re Israeli, right? I remember well how Israel’s defeat in the 2006 Lebanon War ended Israel’s plan to make Judea and Samaria judenfrei. The Israeli far rightist who were rooting for Hezbollah in that war didn’t want to be ruled by Nasrallah but they wanted to see the Israeli regime weakened so it would have less power to persecute them.

    That’s where I am, the weaker the US regime is, the less damage it can do here at home. Right now, China/Russia pose no threat to me, the US regime does. If the situation changes, my opinion will change with it.

    Also: fuck white liberals

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    But my (brilliant, imo) thesis is that the West’s problems are the result of a fraudulent monetary policy that is inherently unreformable. I’m all for building something better, but the current system cannot be reformed, it can only collapse. Accelerationism is the only way out.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    I was born in America and lived most of my life here, although I did spend a significant chunk of my childhood in Israel when it was a rather fun country to be in.

    I have no problem with weakening the American system or rooting for the collapse of the global system - I myself have similar attitudes.

    But rooting for China and Russia and against America won't lead to the current system being replaced by something better - it will lead to a worse version of the current global system taking over everywhere. If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines - which would be a significantly worse tyranny than we have now.

    Cognitively, it shouldn't be difficult to both despise America, and China and Russia, to root for none of them, and to want the whole system to end. For my part, I root for the lesser of two evils now, which is obviously the West, while at the same time rooting for it to collapse.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  112. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    Oh, I get that, but I think you're making an extremely serious mistake.

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase the likelihood that Western society becomes like them. That's how these things work.

    I think the much more intelligent course is to work for reform within the West - I too despise the current regime, the culture of Woke, etc. In fact, my spiritual beliefs cause me to despise far, far more aspects of the current system than you or any alt-righter!

    A person like Vox Day, actually admires Russia and China - he admires cruelty, oppression, authoritarianism, etc. So it makes total sense for him to support a victory for those countries, as he'd like to see that reproduced in the West.

    He imagines he would be a member of the elite, and have the opportunity to oppress others, and he lives vicariously through those countries now as best he can.

    But if this isn't your attitude, and you recognize that those countries are currently worse than the West - even though the West is terrible! - then you're making a possibly fatal mistake. This "us/them" thinking is far too simplistic.

    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase…

    Too many people from all sides talk about what they would want, or not want, and speculate how it would change the world. None of that is very relevant – what happens is not based on our wants. The war is driven by a simple correlation of forces and willpower. The victory – if we ever agree on it, and it is not at all certain that we will in this ‘media’ war – will determine the rest.

    Let’s see: X decided some time ago that Y is weak and that by using a smaller Z, neighbor of Y, major benefits can be obtained. X went for it, pushed and got ready, Z also got ready `and then – unsurprisngly – Y attacked.

    Y is much stronger than Z (even with X) in that region. X also has a major problem: it can’t actually fight a real war because it cannot take casualties – in other words, X knows how to kill, but not how to die…that means it can kick-ass of any third rate country, but it has to stay away from countries like Y that can cause major casualties. So instead Z stepped in as the designated casualty-provider, X has been cheering them on from a safe distance…

    How is this likely to end? It is really not that complicated…

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow

    It's very common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won't die for their cause. This mistake happens so often - and always blows up in the face of those who make it - that it should really have its own name and be studied as a special psychological phenomena. Quite literally every single tough guy tyrant, everywhere, for the past several hundred years, has made some version of the "they're paper tigers" mistake, only to suffer for it.

    Just as I mentioned earlier that large civilizations suffer from a kind of "autism", I think there is something about the tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their "weak" adversaries.

    Certain mindsets appear prone to certain blind spots, and it's actually quite interesting to study. Democracies are similarly autistic when they think everyone will become just like them when a tyrant is overthrown.

    Replies: @Beckow

  113. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    I would like you to know I am a serious thinker. I didn't listen to Tulsi Gabbard's Sunday speech but I did read the transcript. When you were at the rally did you happen to notice if she had four guys who look like Brad Pitt Tyler Durden working her security?

    I presume not just anybody could get close enough to smell her Aloha brand perfume.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    Jimmy Dore is a comedian.

    And he honestly says that. Whereas libtards are a comedy (or a freak show, if you are a pessimist) but they would never acknowledge that. E.g., you cannot parody Alzheimer-in-chief, he is a perfect self-parody.

  114. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Another Polish Perspective

    The truth is the exact opposite of what you say.

    I'm not proposing that you don't acknowledge that you suffer or don't recognize bad situations - you just don't collapse in despair, and remain high hearted. Even if that means recognizing you have to radically change your behavior and yourself.

    Thing is, in a world created by a Good God, ones fundamental attitude, despite everything, must be optimism. Weren't the Gospels the good news? Read the early Christians - they were full of good cheer and optimism while quite clearly acknowledging the awfulness of the world situation on the proximate level.

    A Good God, who will not abandon his creation but lovingly lead everyone to the Way, and who has already defeated the dark powers on high and rescued mankind from bondage to them, wants his creatures to be optimistic and of good cheer.

    Far from arrogance, it can only be such a God's desire.

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness :)

    Quite aside from God, though, one should be of enough of a philosophical temper, and have enough of a breadth of view, to develop a certain sophisticated detachment from this silly world of ours :)

    Montaigne said that philosophically, despair and sadness are stupid, and the philosopher is cheerful :)

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole :)

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness

    Experience as well as the Bible provide more support to the idea that this is true, than to the idea that this is untrue. However, God punishes but is not jealous of human happiness (unless you are a freemason which you very well might be).

    Negating the Evil does not cancel it – you are a bit like a self-blinded man talking about the greatness of darkness.

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole

    I think I am rather detached – neither despairing nor singing hymns like you. Detachment is a natural consequence of being able of perceiving the great stupidity and the great blindness of the majority of humanity: indeed, it is such a great tragedy that it can be only contemplated in silent awe. Remember, only cosmic perspective, a perspective above the stars so to say, allows you to see the truth, among else that man has never been the crown of natural creation – in other words, the “religion” of survival is untrue. But, anyway, why we would need such a religion if that was true…?

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Ability to self-deceive in a limited sense may be useful for survival, but at the greater scale, it is detrimental (Example: belief in Co2 as the leading cause of weather instability). Maybe human being exists in order to prove this concept. We cheat, because we want to survive, but because we cheat, we can't survive: Der Teufelskreis aka vicious circle.

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I think what you have is "resignation". True detachment leads to exhilaration and joy :)

    Similarly, I think you haven't achieved the full cosmic perspective, which liberates. You still have some lingering resentment that humans aren't so important, some lingering despondency at dashed expectations. That's merely the first stage of "seeing through" the world, and you're still clinging to the residues of a human-centric vision, not a cosmic, all embracing one.

    The full cosmic perspective shows that there was never any need for humans to be so important, as seperate from the cosmos - because from the perspective of the cosmos, these separations are artificial. There is only the All. Humans are unimportant as humans, but of infinite worth as the All of the cosmos, just like everything else :)

    This banishes all despondency and replaces resignation with exhilaration.

    @Yahya

    Thanks, I have not seen Sukorov's film - it looks interesting I will check it out!

    As for Custin's book, it's been highly praised by very intelligent people so I'm sure it isn't just composed of the sorts of banal platitudes you mentioned, which are not only trite but racist and illiberal - if it does contain things like that, I suspect those are distortions, and it's treated in a much sophisticated and nuanced manner.

    But I shall see when I read the book - if it's largely simplistic, dumb things like Asiatics like autocracies and aren't creative, I'll be the first to admit it's worthless trash!

    As for civilization requiring obedience, I am not a fan of that kind of civilization, even if JS Mill said that :) I believe in my discussion with AP something of my opposition to this kind of hierarchical, overly complex civilization came out.

    I am something of an anarchist and a socialist, and am convinced that humans can organize with a minimum of hierarchy and coercion, and can cooperate on a voluntary basis to secure life's necessities and satisfy all worthwhile human desires. Anything more authoritarian can only have nefarious purposes in view, like the enriching of an elite class at the expense of everyone else, or projects of conquest and subjugation which are inherently wrong.

    I'm inspired in this party by my reading of both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, which strike me both as anarchist and socialist in spirit, and in the latter case, unambiguously and explicitly so.

    Hunter-gatherer tribes often have a loose political structure with no clear central authority, and the chief is merely "primus inter pares" and is followed willingly in limited ways, and has no ability to exact strict obedience. When Europeans first began dealing with American Indians, they were frustrated by the inability of the Indian chiefs to exact strict obedience from his people of the kind needed to enforce treaties.

    Noted anthropologist David Graeber recently wrote a book called the Dawn of Everything, that explores early human societies and that was precisely meant to combat these restrictive notions of what is politically possible for humans - this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    His book questions why the human political imagination lost it's flexibility and contracted into a narrow orthodoxy that doesn't come close to representing the range of the possible.

    I'm prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy - but I think it's plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    Nor do I think democracy is the ideal - a far less hierarchical and more anarchist society is my ideal :)

    But I cannot accept, from a moral and spiritual perspective, that any human society is incapable of or unworthy of freedom, and is so vicious as to need to be permanently ruled by coercion.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it's plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

    Replies: @Yahya

  115. @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness
     
    Experience as well as the Bible provide more support to the idea that this is true, than to the idea that this is untrue. However, God punishes but is not jealous of human happiness (unless you are a freemason which you very well might be).

    Negating the Evil does not cancel it - you are a bit like a self-blinded man talking about the greatness of darkness.

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole
     
    I think I am rather detached - neither despairing nor singing hymns like you. Detachment is a natural consequence of being able of perceiving the great stupidity and the great blindness of the majority of humanity: indeed, it is such a great tragedy that it can be only contemplated in silent awe. Remember, only cosmic perspective, a perspective above the stars so to say, allows you to see the truth, among else that man has never been the crown of natural creation - in other words, the "religion" of survival is untrue. But, anyway, why we would need such a religion if that was true...?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Ability to self-deceive in a limited sense may be useful for survival, but at the greater scale, it is detrimental (Example: belief in Co2 as the leading cause of weather instability). Maybe human being exists in order to prove this concept. We cheat, because we want to survive, but because we cheat, we can’t survive: Der Teufelskreis aka vicious circle.

  116. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    You're the one who first bro9u9ght up cellphones and their costs, remember?...

    I do like Mexican ladies, they usually have very pleasant personalities, and a lot of them are quite attractive too. As for weather, we've been experiencing mid 60's for several weeks now, poised to experience 70's soon enough. How about you? Next time you visit Phoenix do so from October - March - nobody visits during the summer months except those that don't know any better. Don't expect to hook up with me during the summer, I hope to be gone to the cooler lake country up north....

    Replies: @Beckow

    Yeah, I remember, during summers you go to visit the mosquito country…

    And the Mex-chicas, they are indeed pleasant, eating all those carbohydrates help. They also tend to have a 2-3 years attractive window when they are of certain age….after that, well, when it is hot like in Phoenix maybe it doesn’t make that much difference…

    For your enjoyment I am reposting something from another (maybe better?) culture:

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Yeah, Ukrainian girls are always hot. Slovak girls are nice too...

  117. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, I remember, during summers you go to visit the mosquito country...

    And the Mex-chicas, they are indeed pleasant, eating all those carbohydrates help. They also tend to have a 2-3 years attractive window when they are of certain age....after that, well, when it is hot like in Phoenix maybe it doesn't make that much difference...

    For your enjoyment I am reposting something from another (maybe better?) culture:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZALtzTmPz-E

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, Ukrainian girls are always hot. Slovak girls are nice too…

  118. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    There are not so few people for whom alien abductions at night for the sake of anal probing are happening unquestionably, so such belief in a single blog post with plenty of holes might be similar;)

    A country, which is capable to contaminate its own international pipelines flowing the main source of income like oil, also is more than capable to blow underwater ones due to incompetence too, the malice of any side is not only one explanation left atm.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    Aliens? where did you go my friend…you are really getting lost in your attempts to evade the obvious…

    But ok, the perpetrator is a mystery…Of course, they won’t confess but will boast about it – a weird combination that requires simultaneously lack of honor and self-discipline, like small children hiding candy behind their back…

    Cui bono? For a milli-second try to reverse the players and imagine how credible it would if the pipeline was American and Russia had shown – repeatedly and in writing – an absolute hostility to the pipeline…can you try? or is your mind so hardwired that ‘enemy’ is an ‘enemy’, and your side can do no wrong….that’s how civilizations perish.

  119. New Troubles seem inbound:

    [MORE]

    People should be kept from many small positions of power, just based on the mobility of their face and head, while talking, IMO.

    Anyone heard of that Astrobotic mission to the moon, which is supposed to be carrying the DNA from four US presidents?

    I thought the aliens were going to create a clone army of Carters, Bushes, and Clintons to send against us, but apparently, it is supposed to be from Washington, JFK, Ike, and the Gipper. Earlier plans (which I am not sure they dropped) were to send the pederast Arthur C. Clarke’s DNA.

    https://www.news18.com/buzz/dna-remains-of-former-us-presidents-to-be-sent-into-space-7130629.html

  120. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin's "Letters From Russia", perhaps only to feel somewhat topical :) After all, I do live in these times.

    It's a bit of an infamous book, banned in Russia until 1996, apparently, and originally published in 1843 in France.

    Custine was a French reactionary, who hated and feared democracy, and traveled to Russia to find arguments against democracy then developing in France. What he found in Russia horrified him. He was horrified by the autocracy, oppression, and cruelty of the upper classes, but also by the cringing subservience and servility of the population and their own willing participation in their oppression.

    It is an interesting case of "getting what you wished for" curing your illusions about the thing you desired - I'd wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Which isn't to defend modern liberalism (Woke, etc) - it is indeed awful. I often say to my friends that the Right is often correct in it's criticism, or at least it's sense that something is terribly wrong, but right-wing "solutions" would be horrific.

    For myself, I have always liked Russians whenever I met them, and obviously Russia will always occupy a glorious place in world literature and music. I've never been there, and I'm sure there are fascinating aspects to the culture and lifestyle that I'd love to see in happier times (at the moment, I imagine Russia is boringly autocratic, as autocratic tendencies make everything boring).

    I also find there is often a "paradox" with human societies, where formally very bad structures and behaviors somehow produce on another level very interesting, appealing, and valuable people and institutions - Russia, for instance, used to have a very appealing spiritual life on one level and produced many interesting and valuable spiritual types, despite on another level being spiritually horrific.

    But there is obviously a dark side to that country that - perhaps too banal an observation to need making - that keeps on cropping up, and should be something we all know more about.

    So to that end, I read!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @LatW

    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

    Don’t know if you’ve watched Sokurov’s Russian Ark; but it’s readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn’t possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin’s book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i’d recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    I watched another of Sokurov’s films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i’d strongly discourage against watching it. It’s an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    Balzac was another French reactionary who hated democracy; wrote positively of Russia’s “despotism”; and even contemplated relocating to Russia, but was discouraged by the stringent citizenship requirements of the time. He wrote to Lady Hanska that he thought Custin’s book was “horrible”; and contrasted the “blind obedience” of the Russians to the “deep lack of discipline” of the French. Balzac’s admiration for obedience is a fairly peculiar notion by today’s standards; but perhaps this was a reflection of French instability at the time. As JS Mill wrote: “the first lesson of civilization [is] that of obedience”; for civilization to function properly, the powers of authority must be vested in a particular institution, whether democratic or autocratic. The latter is easier to establish; the former more durable.

    I agree that generally it’s better to live in a democracy than an autocracy. But that doesn’t necessarily mean democracy is the best possible option for every state/society in every time period. Democracy requires several preconditions to establish itself and function properly. Chief among them is education of the masses and the formation of civil society. These conditions were not present in 19th century Russia. The autocratic system was deeply-rooted; the nascent Russian state having been influenced by Byzantine political thought, and to lesser extent Mongol and Ottoman administrative practices. The Russian system was even more centralized than the Ottoman state. It would’ve required a prolonged organic process to move away from that system. The other alternative is dramatic upheaval; which could and eventually did result in disaster and instability, as the experiences of 1917 and 1991 demonstrate.

    Autocracy doesn’t necessarily need to be despotic and oppressive. There are several variations of each particular form of government. In the autocratic form it ranges from Lee Kuan Yew-style benevolence and competence to Ivan The Terrible-style despotism and incompetence. In my opinion, the best course of action for Russia in the 19th century was a gradual moderation by the formation of civil society which could accompany the autocratic system. The would serve as a counterbalance to the despotic tendency of the Russian autocracy; while retaining the efficacy and long-term orientation of a centralized government without the need to appeal to short-sighted voters.

    If Russia had adopted democracy during the 1800s; likely the result would’ve been demagoguery and despotism of the majority. The Russian peasantry were insufficiently educated or inculcated with a democratic value system. Konstantin Pobedonostsev wrote the most convincing defense of Russian autocracy in Reflections Of A Russian Statesman: https://academic.shu.edu/russianhistory/index.php/Konstantin_Pobedonostsev,_Reflections_of_a_Russian_Statesman. It’s a one-sided polemic but he makes a few timeless points on the downsides of the democratic system; how it discourages intelligent and honorable people from participating in government; and the illusory nature of majority rule. On the other hand; I think George Cornewall Lewis authored the most balanced treatment of different governmental systems in A Dialogue On The Best Form Of Government. Lewis employed the Socratic technique to outline the positives and negatives of each system; and even took biological, cultural and societal differences into account; which is quite rare for an academic. His conclusion is one I agree with substantially; both are important; but the quality of the populace matters more than the form of government.

    • Thanks: Mikel
    • Replies: @AP
    @Yahya


    Don’t know if you’ve watched Sokurov’s Russian Ark; but it’s readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:


    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn’t possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin’s book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i’d recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.
     

    It's a brilliant movie but it's brilliance can't be really appreciated on a small screen. On a large screen it really has a hypnotic effect, transporting the viewer in time and place. I was fortunate to see it when it was released in theaters and afterwards for a few minutes I was in nearly a trance. As you correctly wrote, the dialogue was kind of irrelevant.

    Nowadays of course many people have home theaters so one needn't wait for a film festival or something to see it.


    I watched another of Sokurov’s films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i’d strongly discourage against watching it. It’s an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.
     
    His Moloch wasn't bad.

    I agree with the rest of your comments.

  121. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...This is against the spirit of the original document.
     
    Sure, but spirit changes over time. For example the spirit in the early 90's was 'no Nato expansion', then the West decided to change it.

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce...if Bulgaria decides that they will sell residency - via some subterfuge like student visas - what can EU do about it?


    The elites would finally have to take care of their people not partially, but fully.
     
    Right. But it will not happen - the elites have skillfully designed a system of no accountability and minimum control (that's what 'globalism' means to them), they are not giving it up. Even if borders would close for regular people, the elites would remain free and above national sovereignty...But in their defense, that's what people wanted - they screamed bloody murder for no borders and no restrictions on wealth, they were giddy with excitement when it happened. We are just living with the consequences.

    It would be possible to find the legal language to stop this, the problem is the lack of political will.
     
    I doubt anything would pass the endless legal challenges against discrimination, EU Charter, etc...There is no definition of who is a "European" in any Euro document, so there is no way to base laws on that. There is also the question of enforcement...if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do. We bought it, the good, the bad, the swarthy...

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Spirit is not legally enforceable and the laws against migration are notoriously hard to enforce…

    That’s true and I wasn’t arguing that this wouldn’t be a problem. My point was a bit different: this is kind of changing the rules in the middle of the game type of thing (I know you don’t agree, because you see this is all as consistent, everybody agreed to everything, can’t have your cake and eat it too, etc). But I believe that when you make such drastic changes, it merits at least a conversation.

    Imagine, if the EU is one big country (I know it isn’t but just for the sake of illustrating my point), the population has been roughly static for hundreds of years and then somebody decided to change the composition of citizens in a drastic, irreversible way. This would call for a conversation or discussion at least, imo. The East doesn’t want this and there is nothing wrong with a conversation.

    In normal law, this would be called “substantial changes of circumstances” with a petition for “modification”. I understand that this may not fly with the way the situation is in the EU right now, but I am talking about the PRINCIPLE.

    Do we know a 100% what the European majorities, both in the East and the West really think about this issue?

    I do agree with you that the seeds were put in a long time ago and not much was done to oppose a long time ago.

    if a Portuguese speaking Angolan gets Portuguese citizenship and decides to move to Riga and pimp the local women, there is not much (other than the crime itself) Latvia can do

    The laws against that are very strict in Latvia now (even for Russian women and their Russian pimps). So that wouldn’t be allowed to fester. There are mostly two categories of migrants – tech migrants (or other skilled workers) or service workers (delivery, nurses, etc). People would happily come for these opportunities (the rules now allow only a limited number to come), but they would have to work their *ss off and, even if they had a higher or same level salary as in Portugal, they wouldn’t have all those other benefits of Portugal – warmer weather, more relaxed population, cultural ties, language.

  122. @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You're Israeli, right? I remember well how Israel's defeat in the 2006 Lebanon War ended Israel's plan to make Judea and Samaria judenfrei. The Israeli far rightist who were rooting for Hezbollah in that war didn't want to be ruled by Nasrallah but they wanted to see the Israeli regime weakened so it would have less power to persecute them.

    That's where I am, the weaker the US regime is, the less damage it can do here at home. Right now, China/Russia pose no threat to me, the US regime does. If the situation changes, my opinion will change with it.

    Also: fuck white liberals


    We must work for reform within the West whole simultaneously resisting even worse alternatives.
     
    But my (brilliant, imo) thesis is that the West's problems are the result of a fraudulent monetary policy that is inherently unreformable. I'm all for building something better, but the current system cannot be reformed, it can only collapse. Accelerationism is the only way out.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I was born in America and lived most of my life here, although I did spend a significant chunk of my childhood in Israel when it was a rather fun country to be in.

    I have no problem with weakening the American system or rooting for the collapse of the global system – I myself have similar attitudes.

    But rooting for China and Russia and against America won’t lead to the current system being replaced by something better – it will lead to a worse version of the current global system taking over everywhere. If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines – which would be a significantly worse tyranny than we have now.

    Cognitively, it shouldn’t be difficult to both despise America, and China and Russia, to root for none of them, and to want the whole system to end. For my part, I root for the lesser of two evils now, which is obviously the West, while at the same time rooting for it to collapse.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines
     
    You imply that Pax Americana will be replaced by Pax Sinica. That would hardly be an improvement. I advise you to consider the possibility that the US will transform from a bloated overreaching empire to a normal country. With the US aggression and terrorism sponsored or directly perpetrated by the US ending the whole world would become a much better place. Multi-polar world is preferable to any unipolar world (the latter basically means one bully terrorizing everybody else with impunity).

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  123. @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    A victory for China and Russia would massively increase...
     
    Too many people from all sides talk about what they would want, or not want, and speculate how it would change the world. None of that is very relevant - what happens is not based on our wants. The war is driven by a simple correlation of forces and willpower. The victory - if we ever agree on it, and it is not at all certain that we will in this 'media' war - will determine the rest.

    Let's see: X decided some time ago that Y is weak and that by using a smaller Z, neighbor of Y, major benefits can be obtained. X went for it, pushed and got ready, Z also got ready `and then - unsurprisngly - Y attacked.

    Y is much stronger than Z (even with X) in that region. X also has a major problem: it can't actually fight a real war because it cannot take casualties - in other words, X knows how to kill, but not how to die...that means it can kick-ass of any third rate country, but it has to stay away from countries like Y that can cause major casualties. So instead Z stepped in as the designated casualty-provider, X has been cheering them on from a safe distance...

    How is this likely to end? It is really not that complicated...

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    It’s very common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause. This mistake happens so often – and always blows up in the face of those who make it – that it should really have its own name and be studied as a special psychological phenomena. Quite literally every single tough guy tyrant, everywhere, for the past several hundred years, has made some version of the “they’re paper tigers” mistake, only to suffer for it.

    Just as I mentioned earlier that large civilizations suffer from a kind of “autism”, I think there is something about the tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries.

    Certain mindsets appear prone to certain blind spots, and it’s actually quite interesting to study. Democracies are similarly autistic when they think everyone will become just like them when a tyrant is overthrown.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    ...common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause
     
    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan... thinking it would be a 'cake walk'? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1...

    tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries
     
    I am not sure what that means, it sounds clever but meaningless. In this war, the West expected Russia to collapse economically - they didn't, is that autism? Now they think that Kiev will win on the battlefield, also autism? Russia thought that most Ukies wouldn't fight - but they do fight and die, who is autistic in that equation?

    None of this changes anything: stronger force in its own region is facing a weaker adversary supported by the West, but the West won't come in and fight...

    If your point is that Europeans would fight in Ukraine, I disagree. Maybe the Poles, Romanians, Balts, and a few mercenaries like now. But the Germans, Dutch, French, Italians, etc... would not go to die in the Ukie fields. More would fight if their own borders were crossed - but how is that in the realm of possible? Who seriously believes that Russia wants a land war with EU? It would go nuclear...

    With your level of thinking I am not sure anyone can help you - you live in your stereotypes. And you talk about blind spots, precious :)...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  124. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    I was born in America and lived most of my life here, although I did spend a significant chunk of my childhood in Israel when it was a rather fun country to be in.

    I have no problem with weakening the American system or rooting for the collapse of the global system - I myself have similar attitudes.

    But rooting for China and Russia and against America won't lead to the current system being replaced by something better - it will lead to a worse version of the current global system taking over everywhere. If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines - which would be a significantly worse tyranny than we have now.

    Cognitively, it shouldn't be difficult to both despise America, and China and Russia, to root for none of them, and to want the whole system to end. For my part, I root for the lesser of two evils now, which is obviously the West, while at the same time rooting for it to collapse.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines

    You imply that Pax Americana will be replaced by Pax Sinica. That would hardly be an improvement. I advise you to consider the possibility that the US will transform from a bloated overreaching empire to a normal country. With the US aggression and terrorism sponsored or directly perpetrated by the US ending the whole world would become a much better place. Multi-polar world is preferable to any unipolar world (the latter basically means one bully terrorizing everybody else with impunity).

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @AnonfromTN

    The point I'm making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect - but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems - exploitative and oppressive and coercive - gain credibility and influence.

    Ultimately, of course I'd rather America shrink to just being an ordinary country - I'd like the whole stinking global system of capitalism to collapse lol :)

    In the meantime, one must choose the lesser of two evils.

    But really, one can simultaneously pray for the current American system to collapse as well as that of China and Russia - the whole world deserves to be free and happy.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Hapalong Cassidy

  125. @Wokechoke
    @Keypusher

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-27/germany-post-world-war-ii-ukraine-russia

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-09-08/russia-invasion-of-ukraine-jolting-germany-into-rebuilding-military

    There was panic for some time at the start.


    "A possible Russian invasion of Europe is “more than ever” and Germany could be wiped off the map at any moment, according to a leaked report in Germany. Top military officials in Germany have urged the country to prepare for an impending war with Russia, fearing that the war in Ukraine will escalate into a global conflict with NATO."

    https://expatguideturkey.com/germany-speaks-of-leaked-documents-russians-can-invade-at-any-moment/

    "In the 68-page report, Zorn argues that although the modern German army has conducted operations in areas such as Afghanistan, these experiences are not sufficient for a future war, and that the Bundeswehr should prepare for a “forced war” on its territory. Warning that the possibility of war in a NATO member country in Eastern Europe “is increasing again”, Zorn urged Germany to play a leading role in the continent’s defense and to build a “stronger” armed forces."

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Germans won’t even say boo to their occupiers when their main energy pipeline is blown up. For all practical purposes they now are a conquered nation. The generals in Lagos Nigeria have more backbone. It is against the law to display a swastika. The college fraternities probably don’t even have duels any more.

    Maybe they have them with rubber swords.

    • Agree: Wokechoke
  126. @Ivashka the fool
    Edward N Luttwak makes it clear, the implosion and destruction of RusFed should be avoided.

    The reason he gives is that it might advantage China too much.

    Given that China too doesn't want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.

    (Спасибо Путину за это...)



    https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1626363539681161216

    https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1627115787931492352

    Replies: @LatW

    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.

    It’s correct that China may not want the RusFed “terminally weakened”, but China still wants a weak RusFed that they can exploit. Also, if the craziest scenario comes to pass (RusFed loses spectacularly and chaos ensues at home, not a given, but an “if”), who in the world will be able to control this smuta? It will be so fragmented, that it will take some uber strict local leader to control, it is certainly not going to be outsiders from the West – they may try to influence the situation, but they will definitely not hold the reins on it.

    Xi will present his peace plan soon and most likely he will defend things such as “territorial integrity”. He will not fully side with Russia.

    Btw, you know who didn’t do well at the Munich Conference? The one Khodorkovsky. He was beset by Ukrainian journalists who questioned and almost shamed him about why he has not provided more help for the Ukrainians (out of his pocket, as many others did).

    Then when speaking to Dozhd, he admitted to be somewhat startled by how mainstream the talk about “disintegration of Russia” has become. Or maybe not “mainstream”, but less marginal than before. These overseas Russian liberals are just sitting there, biding their time, hoping that the Ukrainian military and the Russian freedom fighters will topple Putin for them (paying with blood and sweat in the process) and then they can just cruise back in, and take all the warm seats in Russia like what they used to have back in the early 90s (just with higher commodity prices). I don’t want to trash them, they have a right to their vision. It’s just that things have changed, the attitude towards Russia has changed.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    If smuta just limited to RusFed that would be half of problem, thing is that we have major smuta brewing quietly almost everywhere.

    Things fall apart, center cannot hold, and all that. Entropy is taking over.

    Who's gonna keep paying for pension plans for our retirement LatW ?

    Who's gonna help finance public debt ?

    The Algerian harraga racailles, Romani maques and the Nigerian scammers ?

    They're not idiots...

    Third turning's nearly done. We're getting overdue for the fourth one.

    Major crisis is coming our way whenever we are.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  127. @Another Polish Perspective
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    Your view is the dark pagan view, of a God who punishes, and is jealous of human happiness
     
    Experience as well as the Bible provide more support to the idea that this is true, than to the idea that this is untrue. However, God punishes but is not jealous of human happiness (unless you are a freemason which you very well might be).

    Negating the Evil does not cancel it - you are a bit like a self-blinded man talking about the greatness of darkness.

    So cheer up, you despairing Pole
     
    I think I am rather detached - neither despairing nor singing hymns like you. Detachment is a natural consequence of being able of perceiving the great stupidity and the great blindness of the majority of humanity: indeed, it is such a great tragedy that it can be only contemplated in silent awe. Remember, only cosmic perspective, a perspective above the stars so to say, allows you to see the truth, among else that man has never been the crown of natural creation - in other words, the "religion" of survival is untrue. But, anyway, why we would need such a religion if that was true...?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I think what you have is “resignation”. True detachment leads to exhilaration and joy 🙂

    Similarly, I think you haven’t achieved the full cosmic perspective, which liberates. You still have some lingering resentment that humans aren’t so important, some lingering despondency at dashed expectations. That’s merely the first stage of “seeing through” the world, and you’re still clinging to the residues of a human-centric vision, not a cosmic, all embracing one.

    The full cosmic perspective shows that there was never any need for humans to be so important, as seperate from the cosmos – because from the perspective of the cosmos, these separations are artificial. There is only the All. Humans are unimportant as humans, but of infinite worth as the All of the cosmos, just like everything else 🙂

    This banishes all despondency and replaces resignation with exhilaration.

    Thanks, I have not seen Sukorov’s film – it looks interesting I will check it out!

    As for Custin’s book, it’s been highly praised by very intelligent people so I’m sure it isn’t just composed of the sorts of banal platitudes you mentioned, which are not only trite but racist and illiberal – if it does contain things like that, I suspect those are distortions, and it’s treated in a much sophisticated and nuanced manner.

    But I shall see when I read the book – if it’s largely simplistic, dumb things like Asiatics like autocracies and aren’t creative, I’ll be the first to admit it’s worthless trash!

    As for civilization requiring obedience, I am not a fan of that kind of civilization, even if JS Mill said that 🙂 I believe in my discussion with AP something of my opposition to this kind of hierarchical, overly complex civilization came out.

    I am something of an anarchist and a socialist, and am convinced that humans can organize with a minimum of hierarchy and coercion, and can cooperate on a voluntary basis to secure life’s necessities and satisfy all worthwhile human desires. Anything more authoritarian can only have nefarious purposes in view, like the enriching of an elite class at the expense of everyone else, or projects of conquest and subjugation which are inherently wrong.

    I’m inspired in this party by my reading of both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, which strike me both as anarchist and socialist in spirit, and in the latter case, unambiguously and explicitly so.

    Hunter-gatherer tribes often have a loose political structure with no clear central authority, and the chief is merely “primus inter pares” and is followed willingly in limited ways, and has no ability to exact strict obedience. When Europeans first began dealing with American Indians, they were frustrated by the inability of the Indian chiefs to exact strict obedience from his people of the kind needed to enforce treaties.

    Noted anthropologist David Graeber recently wrote a book called the Dawn of Everything, that explores early human societies and that was precisely meant to combat these restrictive notions of what is politically possible for humans – this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    His book questions why the human political imagination lost it’s flexibility and contracted into a narrow orthodoxy that doesn’t come close to representing the range of the possible.

    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    Nor do I think democracy is the ideal – a far less hierarchical and more anarchist society is my ideal 🙂

    But I cannot accept, from a moral and spiritual perspective, that any human society is incapable of or unworthy of freedom, and is so vicious as to need to be permanently ruled by coercion.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.
     
    Walter Bagehot in Physics & Politics states that hierarchy and obedience were necessary to scale from tribal structures into nascent forms of civilizational structures like city-states. Anarchism may be feasible for a small tribe of Indians; but what will it look like for a nation of 100 million people? I don’t think full-scale anarchism has been attempted by any modern nation; and it’s not because of a lack of imagination. We saw in the 20th century how almost half the world took up the radically experimental communist system; people are open to new ideas. But anarchism seems to be discouraged because of how unrealistic it is. The only instances of anarchism I can think of are inadvertent; viz. following state collapse; and the result is almost always negative. Consider the example of ISIS in Iraq and Syria; or the chaos of the post-Soviet collapse. I think they can legitimately be categorized as periods of anarchy; even if not in the form that anarchist tend to imagine or advocate.

    I’m open to the idea that anarchism could work better than present systems of political organization. But my conservative instincts tell me it won’t end well; may even be worse than communism. I’d have to see some strong empirical evidence to suggest the contrary.


    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.
     

    I think the idea of democracy and freedom as moral imperative is a dangerous one. It gets you stuff like Iraq and Afghanistan. The emphasis should be on realism; and recognizing that different systems are appropriate for different circumstances. There is no one-size fits all; and the so-called march towards the end of history is an illusion.

    Democracy advocates tend to overdo their criticism of authoritarian systems. The image is always one of severe repression and suffocation of all forms of liberty. But having lived under both a democratic and authoritarian system; I can’t say my liberties were significantly different under the latter. I can still read books; move around as I like; go to the cinema; listen to music on my way to work etc. Most of the activities I cherish I am capable of doing under both systems. The only difference is that I don’t get to express my opinion in a newspaper; but since I’m not a journalist; that’s not much of a curtailment. I can vote in both systems, but my vote wouldn’t matter either way.

    I’d much rather be living in an authoritarian system with a GDP per capita of $50,000 than a democratic system with $10,000 of per capita income. The key factor is economic development, not form of government.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  128. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.
     
    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don't speak to you anymore.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW, @Triteleia Laxa

    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.

    I was talking about the elites, not the “youth” – I thought you were talking about the elites in your original post? And, btw, some of the elites are quite young. My point was that your example is not a good one because the Baltic States are a bit different than the rest of the EU in this regard in that a sizable portion of the elites (not all, but a sizable portion) are not connected to what you call the “high status ideology”. Yes, there is such a type who are trying to do that (similar to how back in the day, some tried to larp as “Germans”, we called them “willow Germans” – willow being a light flexible tree that bends easily or sways easily, they are looked down on, similarly, we now have “willow Anglos” or “willow Euros” – people who kiss up to the leading ideology but they are not the majority). One can be respectable and successful without adhering to this ideology.

    I’m not saying this won’t change at some point. But it is not the case now. It is different from the West that way. Again, for now.

    Also, looking further into the future, we do not know what will be the status of this ideology. What will be the status of the West. It doesn’t mean that other ideologies (those in the East) will become more appealing, everyone sees the duplicity of them (authoritarian at home but parking your money in the West or other safe places), besides the essence of those ideologies is not that appealing to begin with.

    It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off.

    The package deal is not “black and white”. The package deal is a parliamentary set up with everyone represented at the Euro Parliament and a pluralistic system. The package deal also respects local culture – this is emphasized in how languages are respected in the EU. You have a very one sided view of the EU. Remember also, if things get really bad – too compromising – there is a way out, it is not like the Soviet Union that way.

    You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military

    There is no “joy” in what is happening. This is a humanitarian catastrophe and a deep wound on the body of everyone who is post-USSR, that will not heal (or will take forever to heal). The scale of this was not expected. There is no “joy”, just dislike, worry and some minor fear.

    But, yes, that they moved the troops from Pskov to Ukraine might be a bit of a relief.

    Everyone is thinking, comprehensively, what can be done to make the future safer. There is no joy, the price for the Ukrainians is excruciatingly high. And it’s not even over.

    but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore

    This will be neither the fault of Russia nor the West. This will be our own fault.

    Once again, thank you for your “kind hearted” concern, it is noted. Not that you guys don’t have similar problems and not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.

    • Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Not that you guys don’t have similar problems
     
    China implemented mass internment in at least 2017-18 to get Uighurs to join the common social fabric. Levels of immigration to China are very low. The large numbers of students from the rest of the developing world in China find it difficult to stay after graduation. The racial demographics of China are not changing.

    not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.
     
    Orban and China have figured out a solution: Fudan University in Budapest. Orban knows he can't trust white people in education. Once Orban is retired from politics whatever institution he creates in education will rot because it will be the focal point of progressive efforts. Therefore a prestigious Chinese university needs to be built in every European country that wishes to preserve national sovereignty against malign progressive forces seeking to bring in mass immigration from outside of Europe. The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

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    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/teen-gang-war-continues-dublin-22502497

    Dublin. The Terror of balbriggan.

  129. @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN


    According to reasonably reliable sources
     
    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin's drab speech yesterday? My personal highlight was when he talked of the gender-neutral Anglican God



    https://twitter.com/rulajebreal/status/1565486515219841027

    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1613617663351132166

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].

    LMAO – Konashenkov would have said that Russian air-defence intercepted 44 missiles fired from HIMARS you idiot, not that they destroyed 44 launch systems ( although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already).

    If you are going to propogate this mindless BS, surely you should at least check what he said – and what is entirely plausible/probable ( that they have intercepted 44 missiles from HIMARS, plus many more since then)

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

    As for the Bradley IFV’s – I’m sure they were even displayed at the military EXPO in Moscow region.

    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday?

    His “drab” speech was mainly about social payments and new tax initiatives (as is usual for the address) – of course it should be “drab” to westerners watching you ridiculous cretin. He can’t exactly discuss SMO strategy and tactics in public
    As for the “failed Sarmat test” – only plankton like you could swallow typical American BS like that.

    Accept facts – Konashenkov NEVER lies . Ukronazi freaks can’t do anything but lie, and lie big you retard.

    My “favourite”, without being disrespectful to all the other extreme BS, is ukronazi freaks giving awards posthumously to Border Guard and Navy at Snake Island …..for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!! As in typical ukronazi loser idiocy…..once it was established that all 80 of them were alive and surrendered immediately but were then released early in a prisoner swap…….they gave them the Hero of Ukraine medals anyway!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already
     
    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don't have any photographic documentation of such

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @War Observer
    @Gerard1234


    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

     

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

     

    Winter is still ongoing... The mobilized at Makiivka vocational school 19 certainly found out the usefulness of HIMARS at 1 minute past New Years...

    for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!!
     
    How is the Cruiser Moskva doing these days?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  130. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I think what you have is "resignation". True detachment leads to exhilaration and joy :)

    Similarly, I think you haven't achieved the full cosmic perspective, which liberates. You still have some lingering resentment that humans aren't so important, some lingering despondency at dashed expectations. That's merely the first stage of "seeing through" the world, and you're still clinging to the residues of a human-centric vision, not a cosmic, all embracing one.

    The full cosmic perspective shows that there was never any need for humans to be so important, as seperate from the cosmos - because from the perspective of the cosmos, these separations are artificial. There is only the All. Humans are unimportant as humans, but of infinite worth as the All of the cosmos, just like everything else :)

    This banishes all despondency and replaces resignation with exhilaration.

    @Yahya

    Thanks, I have not seen Sukorov's film - it looks interesting I will check it out!

    As for Custin's book, it's been highly praised by very intelligent people so I'm sure it isn't just composed of the sorts of banal platitudes you mentioned, which are not only trite but racist and illiberal - if it does contain things like that, I suspect those are distortions, and it's treated in a much sophisticated and nuanced manner.

    But I shall see when I read the book - if it's largely simplistic, dumb things like Asiatics like autocracies and aren't creative, I'll be the first to admit it's worthless trash!

    As for civilization requiring obedience, I am not a fan of that kind of civilization, even if JS Mill said that :) I believe in my discussion with AP something of my opposition to this kind of hierarchical, overly complex civilization came out.

    I am something of an anarchist and a socialist, and am convinced that humans can organize with a minimum of hierarchy and coercion, and can cooperate on a voluntary basis to secure life's necessities and satisfy all worthwhile human desires. Anything more authoritarian can only have nefarious purposes in view, like the enriching of an elite class at the expense of everyone else, or projects of conquest and subjugation which are inherently wrong.

    I'm inspired in this party by my reading of both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament, which strike me both as anarchist and socialist in spirit, and in the latter case, unambiguously and explicitly so.

    Hunter-gatherer tribes often have a loose political structure with no clear central authority, and the chief is merely "primus inter pares" and is followed willingly in limited ways, and has no ability to exact strict obedience. When Europeans first began dealing with American Indians, they were frustrated by the inability of the Indian chiefs to exact strict obedience from his people of the kind needed to enforce treaties.

    Noted anthropologist David Graeber recently wrote a book called the Dawn of Everything, that explores early human societies and that was precisely meant to combat these restrictive notions of what is politically possible for humans - this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    His book questions why the human political imagination lost it's flexibility and contracted into a narrow orthodoxy that doesn't come close to representing the range of the possible.

    I'm prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy - but I think it's plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    Nor do I think democracy is the ideal - a far less hierarchical and more anarchist society is my ideal :)

    But I cannot accept, from a moral and spiritual perspective, that any human society is incapable of or unworthy of freedom, and is so vicious as to need to be permanently ruled by coercion.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it's plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

    Replies: @Yahya

    this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.

    Walter Bagehot in Physics & Politics states that hierarchy and obedience were necessary to scale from tribal structures into nascent forms of civilizational structures like city-states. Anarchism may be feasible for a small tribe of Indians; but what will it look like for a nation of 100 million people? I don’t think full-scale anarchism has been attempted by any modern nation; and it’s not because of a lack of imagination. We saw in the 20th century how almost half the world took up the radically experimental communist system; people are open to new ideas. But anarchism seems to be discouraged because of how unrealistic it is. The only instances of anarchism I can think of are inadvertent; viz. following state collapse; and the result is almost always negative. Consider the example of ISIS in Iraq and Syria; or the chaos of the post-Soviet collapse. I think they can legitimately be categorized as periods of anarchy; even if not in the form that anarchist tend to imagine or advocate.

    I’m open to the idea that anarchism could work better than present systems of political organization. But my conservative instincts tell me it won’t end well; may even be worse than communism. I’d have to see some strong empirical evidence to suggest the contrary.

    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.

    I think the idea of democracy and freedom as moral imperative is a dangerous one. It gets you stuff like Iraq and Afghanistan. The emphasis should be on realism; and recognizing that different systems are appropriate for different circumstances. There is no one-size fits all; and the so-called march towards the end of history is an illusion.

    Democracy advocates tend to overdo their criticism of authoritarian systems. The image is always one of severe repression and suffocation of all forms of liberty. But having lived under both a democratic and authoritarian system; I can’t say my liberties were significantly different under the latter. I can still read books; move around as I like; go to the cinema; listen to music on my way to work etc. Most of the activities I cherish I am capable of doing under both systems. The only difference is that I don’t get to express my opinion in a newspaper; but since I’m not a journalist; that’s not much of a curtailment. I can vote in both systems, but my vote wouldn’t matter either way.

    I’d much rather be living in an authoritarian system with a GDP per capita of $50,000 than a democratic system with $10,000 of per capita income. The key factor is economic development, not form of government.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Yahya

    Dammit, left you a long reply but my phone shut down :) Too tired to retype, but basically -

    1) Based on recent discoveries that radically revise our understanding, pre-historic people's actually did create seasonal cities as large and complex as anything in historic times yet without coercive political structures.

    So the scaling issue may not be determinative :)

    2) Imposing freedom suddenly on an unprepared population is self indulgent ideological extremism that prefers to gaze adoringly at its own exalted vision rather than make any concessions to a messy reality that requires gradual, sensitive, and nuanced measures.

    One must be morally educated.

    3) Agree that formal political structures like democracy may not always be the best indication of freedom. Hierarchy and inequality of wealth and power are the salient factors, as well as exploitation and oppression.

    There is some correlation between formal political structures and these conditions, but it is imperfect.

    Your experience is not necessarily representative as you are wealthy in your country. When I travel to poor countries my comparative wealth creates an experience of privilege that I am under no illusions is denied the average person there.

    4) I cannot agree that economic development is as important as you think. Wealthy countries often exhibit dissatisfaction and malaise, and strained social relations, despite economic development.

    Clearly, the spiritual environment has an enormous influence on people's life satisfaction and the possibility of harmonious social interaction - and things like inequality, injustice, oppressive hierarchies, contribute to shaping the spiritual environment.

    That being said, I am sure there are countries that are freer than the West in significant ways without really being democratic - much of South East Asia strikes me as this way - but specifically, Russia and China are significantly more oppressive and exploitative than the West..

    Those political systems are not ones that one should desire to gain credibility at the expense of the West.

    That being said, one should pray for the whole rotten glass bal capitalist system to collapse :)

  131. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Given that China too doesn’t want to see RusFed terminally weakened, it means that RusFed would be kept around as a pariah state that the West might use as a scarecrow and a whipping boy, while China siphones its natural ressources for a cheap price and the Central Asian/ Turkic folks overtake its lebensraum through rampant colonization.
     
    It's correct that China may not want the RusFed "terminally weakened", but China still wants a weak RusFed that they can exploit. Also, if the craziest scenario comes to pass (RusFed loses spectacularly and chaos ensues at home, not a given, but an "if"), who in the world will be able to control this smuta? It will be so fragmented, that it will take some uber strict local leader to control, it is certainly not going to be outsiders from the West - they may try to influence the situation, but they will definitely not hold the reins on it.

    Xi will present his peace plan soon and most likely he will defend things such as "territorial integrity". He will not fully side with Russia.

    Btw, you know who didn't do well at the Munich Conference? The one Khodorkovsky. He was beset by Ukrainian journalists who questioned and almost shamed him about why he has not provided more help for the Ukrainians (out of his pocket, as many others did).

    Then when speaking to Dozhd, he admitted to be somewhat startled by how mainstream the talk about "disintegration of Russia" has become. Or maybe not "mainstream", but less marginal than before. These overseas Russian liberals are just sitting there, biding their time, hoping that the Ukrainian military and the Russian freedom fighters will topple Putin for them (paying with blood and sweat in the process) and then they can just cruise back in, and take all the warm seats in Russia like what they used to have back in the early 90s (just with higher commodity prices). I don't want to trash them, they have a right to their vision. It's just that things have changed, the attitude towards Russia has changed.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    If smuta just limited to RusFed that would be half of problem, thing is that we have major smuta brewing quietly almost everywhere.

    Things fall apart, center cannot hold, and all that. Entropy is taking over.

    Who’s gonna keep paying for pension plans for our retirement LatW ?

    Who’s gonna help finance public debt ?

    The Algerian harraga racailles, Romani maques and the Nigerian scammers ?

    They’re not idiots…

    Third turning’s nearly done. We’re getting overdue for the fourth one.

    Major crisis is coming our way whenever we are.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Rus have tried it all.

    Every fad.

    Time to strike hard and fast.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  132. @Beckow
    @A123

    Well, there was enough good in the EU idea - when it was high-level. But it has changed. There has been a full takeover of EU by the uber-liberal globalist elites, so today it is questionable.

    One can have a successful 'imperium' - a combination of sizeable disparate countries-regions - only as long as the elites let go off ideology. An imperium that pushes ideology is a fatal combination, it eventually always collapses.

    So I agree, EU has become a pretty horrible idea. The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive - the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Given that, another inane march on the east (always Russia!) seems like the least painful among bad choices. But I am giving them too much credit, they actually don't choose it - the hatred of "Russia!" is for many of them inbred...that's what they do.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    The people who think that it can be reformed and changed are in my view naive – the stranglehold the assorted liberal and global business groups have on EU is unshakeable. The real problem is that there is no way back and the benefits of EU (there are still many) are hard to let go.

    Certainly gradual reform is not available. Working through EU institutions will be strangled by the elites, as you suggest.

    The potential save is a sudden, dramatic transformation. Multiple EU countries simply repudiate EU actions that conflict with national sovereignty. Imagine an collection of sovereign equals — Controversial ECJ/ECHR junior court rulings are treated with derision and then vetoed under the principle of national sovereignty.

    Brexit proved that a small country cannot leave the EU. They would be savaged. However, a group of countries within the EU can dramatically change the structure by defying the authoritarian liberals in Brussels.

    PEACE 😇

  133. @AnonfromTN
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    If America collapses but China and Russia stay strong, America would just be reorganized along Chinese or Russian lines
     
    You imply that Pax Americana will be replaced by Pax Sinica. That would hardly be an improvement. I advise you to consider the possibility that the US will transform from a bloated overreaching empire to a normal country. With the US aggression and terrorism sponsored or directly perpetrated by the US ending the whole world would become a much better place. Multi-polar world is preferable to any unipolar world (the latter basically means one bully terrorizing everybody else with impunity).

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.

    Ultimately, of course I’d rather America shrink to just being an ordinary country – I’d like the whole stinking global system of capitalism to collapse lol 🙂

    In the meantime, one must choose the lesser of two evils.

    But really, one can simultaneously pray for the current American system to collapse as well as that of China and Russia – the whole world deserves to be free and happy.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I don't believe it is possible for the Chinese or Russian systems to take hold in the United States. What would be much more likely is to see the US fracture into multiple separate nations. That would be ideal.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    “The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.“

    While I disagree that the Russian and/or Chinese systems would take root in America, I do agree that the political outcome of a defeat at their hands would not necessarily be for the better. North Korea getting bombed to rubble in the 1950’s resulted in their country becoming more autocratic, not less. Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  134. Multi-faith dialogue doesn’t seem to help architecture any:

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    But at least it is not as bad as these:

  135. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory
     
    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it. However, which particular killer was hired to pull the trigger is rarely established.

    Replies: @A123

    You know very well me not being the proponent of “blowup of NS by US” theory

    It’s like contract killing. Anyone with IQ greater than shoe size knows who ordered it.

    You are misunderstanding the application of IQ in this context.

    Everyone with a modicum of common sense realizes that the most likely scenario is that the NS events are accidents. Mistakes do last 17+ hours.

    There is a very special form of stupidity that plagues high-IQ individuals who have no relevant knowledge and then over reach. Jeffery Sachs is a perfect example of this. He is a competent economist who got virology 100% wrong.

    PEACE 😇

  136. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin's "Letters From Russia", perhaps only to feel somewhat topical :) After all, I do live in these times.

    It's a bit of an infamous book, banned in Russia until 1996, apparently, and originally published in 1843 in France.

    Custine was a French reactionary, who hated and feared democracy, and traveled to Russia to find arguments against democracy then developing in France. What he found in Russia horrified him. He was horrified by the autocracy, oppression, and cruelty of the upper classes, but also by the cringing subservience and servility of the population and their own willing participation in their oppression.

    It is an interesting case of "getting what you wished for" curing your illusions about the thing you desired - I'd wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    Which isn't to defend modern liberalism (Woke, etc) - it is indeed awful. I often say to my friends that the Right is often correct in it's criticism, or at least it's sense that something is terribly wrong, but right-wing "solutions" would be horrific.

    For myself, I have always liked Russians whenever I met them, and obviously Russia will always occupy a glorious place in world literature and music. I've never been there, and I'm sure there are fascinating aspects to the culture and lifestyle that I'd love to see in happier times (at the moment, I imagine Russia is boringly autocratic, as autocratic tendencies make everything boring).

    I also find there is often a "paradox" with human societies, where formally very bad structures and behaviors somehow produce on another level very interesting, appealing, and valuable people and institutions - Russia, for instance, used to have a very appealing spiritual life on one level and produced many interesting and valuable spiritual types, despite on another level being spiritually horrific.

    But there is obviously a dark side to that country that - perhaps too banal an observation to need making - that keeps on cropping up, and should be something we all know more about.

    So to that end, I read!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Yahya, @LatW

    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.

    We don’t want Russia, the Russians are not doing it right (and, yes, they have a different mentality). We want the benign 1930s autocracies of Central Europe (not Nazi Germany either, that’s another exaggeration). You grabbed the worst example and extrapolated on all of the right wingers. That’s not what we want. We would even be ok with a managed democracy, with elements of nationalism. It doesn’t have to be anything crazy. Nobody in today’s world is going to accept living under a “Leader”, but they will accept certain enforcements such as immigration control (and possibly a few other protectionist measures).

    And, btw, I have been the champion of what you posted above since day one. Let all those who admire Russia from a distance, actually go there, instead of trying to push Ukrainians and others into Russia’s arms. I think this should satisfy them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    You’ll get niggers and like it.

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @LatW

    I don't regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure, although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    But in today's world, mass immigration is often a capitalist measure to keep wages down in some countries, to avoid developing and distributing wealth fairly in other countries, and in the current climate of deliberate stoking of racial tensions it's incendiary.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious - kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid :) I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the "other", not threatened by it - but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    But I get that you're an ethnic nationalist who disagrees with me. That's fine.

    Fair enough, there are different types of right wingers. I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people, and not just traditional conservative types. Traditional conservative types are far more sympathetic, even though I don't count myself among their ranks.

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that's not terrible, but I wonder if that's really possible as anything more than a temporary measure - in reality, nothing stays "static" for long, and the world is movement (one of the weaknesses of the fascist vision is it's static nature. Not because this is undesirable, but because this is impossible). Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    But I understand that you have a different perspective on this.

    Replies: @LatW

  137. @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I am starting now to read Alfred de Custin’s “Letters From Russia”, perhaps only to feel somewhat topical 🙂 After all, I do live in these times.

     

    Don't know if you've watched Sokurov's Russian Ark; but it's readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECz8C7m_Yo&t=1951s

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn't possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin's book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i'd recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    I watched another of Sokurov's films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i'd strongly discourage against watching it. It's an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    Balzac was another French reactionary who hated democracy; wrote positively of Russia's "despotism"; and even contemplated relocating to Russia, but was discouraged by the stringent citizenship requirements of the time. He wrote to Lady Hanska that he thought Custin's book was "horrible"; and contrasted the "blind obedience" of the Russians to the "deep lack of discipline" of the French. Balzac's admiration for obedience is a fairly peculiar notion by today's standards; but perhaps this was a reflection of French instability at the time. As JS Mill wrote: “the first lesson of civilization [is] that of obedience”; for civilization to function properly, the powers of authority must be vested in a particular institution, whether democratic or autocratic. The latter is easier to establish; the former more durable.

    I agree that generally it's better to live in a democracy than an autocracy. But that doesn't necessarily mean democracy is the best possible option for every state/society in every time period. Democracy requires several preconditions to establish itself and function properly. Chief among them is education of the masses and the formation of civil society. These conditions were not present in 19th century Russia. The autocratic system was deeply-rooted; the nascent Russian state having been influenced by Byzantine political thought, and to lesser extent Mongol and Ottoman administrative practices. The Russian system was even more centralized than the Ottoman state. It would've required a prolonged organic process to move away from that system. The other alternative is dramatic upheaval; which could and eventually did result in disaster and instability, as the experiences of 1917 and 1991 demonstrate.

    Autocracy doesn't necessarily need to be despotic and oppressive. There are several variations of each particular form of government. In the autocratic form it ranges from Lee Kuan Yew-style benevolence and competence to Ivan The Terrible-style despotism and incompetence. In my opinion, the best course of action for Russia in the 19th century was a gradual moderation by the formation of civil society which could accompany the autocratic system. The would serve as a counterbalance to the despotic tendency of the Russian autocracy; while retaining the efficacy and long-term orientation of a centralized government without the need to appeal to short-sighted voters.

    If Russia had adopted democracy during the 1800s; likely the result would've been demagoguery and despotism of the majority. The Russian peasantry were insufficiently educated or inculcated with a democratic value system. Konstantin Pobedonostsev wrote the most convincing defense of Russian autocracy in Reflections Of A Russian Statesman: https://academic.shu.edu/russianhistory/index.php/Konstantin_Pobedonostsev,_Reflections_of_a_Russian_Statesman. It's a one-sided polemic but he makes a few timeless points on the downsides of the democratic system; how it discourages intelligent and honorable people from participating in government; and the illusory nature of majority rule. On the other hand; I think George Cornewall Lewis authored the most balanced treatment of different governmental systems in A Dialogue On The Best Form Of Government. Lewis employed the Socratic technique to outline the positives and negatives of each system; and even took biological, cultural and societal differences into account; which is quite rare for an academic. His conclusion is one I agree with substantially; both are important; but the quality of the populace matters more than the form of government.

    Replies: @AP

    Don’t know if you’ve watched Sokurov’s Russian Ark; but it’s readily available on Youtube with English subtitles for free:

    The Marquis de Custin features as the central character. As the narrator walks through the Hermitage; he encounters the haughty French aristocrat; who proceeds to condescendingly opine on Russian history and society. The commentary is quite banal and mediocre; for example when the Marquis opines that Russians admire their dictators because they are an Asiatic people; or that the orchestra they pass by couldn’t possibly be Russian; since the music they played was original, and Russian are only good for copying Europeans. From brief summaries of Custin’s book; this seems to be the thoughts he expressed in his book; but I must say that film is a very limited medium to muse philosophically on history or culture. The bite-sized thoughts are inevitably superficial; they are too constrained by the limited space for dialogue. But i’d recommend watching the movie just for the ride throughout the Hermitage; and the unique cinematography.

    It’s a brilliant movie but it’s brilliance can’t be really appreciated on a small screen. On a large screen it really has a hypnotic effect, transporting the viewer in time and place. I was fortunate to see it when it was released in theaters and afterwards for a few minutes I was in nearly a trance. As you correctly wrote, the dialogue was kind of irrelevant.

    Nowadays of course many people have home theaters so one needn’t wait for a film festival or something to see it.

    I watched another of Sokurov’s films; a recent one set in the Louvre; and i’d strongly discourage against watching it. It’s an uninspired copy of Russian Ark.

    His Moloch wasn’t bad.

    I agree with the rest of your comments.

  138. @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    We don't want Russia, the Russians are not doing it right (and, yes, they have a different mentality). We want the benign 1930s autocracies of Central Europe (not Nazi Germany either, that's another exaggeration). You grabbed the worst example and extrapolated on all of the right wingers. That's not what we want. We would even be ok with a managed democracy, with elements of nationalism. It doesn't have to be anything crazy. Nobody in today's world is going to accept living under a "Leader", but they will accept certain enforcements such as immigration control (and possibly a few other protectionist measures).

    And, btw, I have been the champion of what you posted above since day one. Let all those who admire Russia from a distance, actually go there, instead of trying to push Ukrainians and others into Russia's arms. I think this should satisfy them.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You’ll get niggers and like it.

  139. @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    this sense that only obedience and hierarchy makes possible coexistence, he shows has taken shape in historic times only, and previously, humans had much more expanded political imaginations that permitted all sorts of shifting, flexible arrangements, including hierarchy and obedience parts of the year, anarchism the rest, etc.
     
    Walter Bagehot in Physics & Politics states that hierarchy and obedience were necessary to scale from tribal structures into nascent forms of civilizational structures like city-states. Anarchism may be feasible for a small tribe of Indians; but what will it look like for a nation of 100 million people? I don’t think full-scale anarchism has been attempted by any modern nation; and it’s not because of a lack of imagination. We saw in the 20th century how almost half the world took up the radically experimental communist system; people are open to new ideas. But anarchism seems to be discouraged because of how unrealistic it is. The only instances of anarchism I can think of are inadvertent; viz. following state collapse; and the result is almost always negative. Consider the example of ISIS in Iraq and Syria; or the chaos of the post-Soviet collapse. I think they can legitimately be categorized as periods of anarchy; even if not in the form that anarchist tend to imagine or advocate.

    I’m open to the idea that anarchism could work better than present systems of political organization. But my conservative instincts tell me it won’t end well; may even be worse than communism. I’d have to see some strong empirical evidence to suggest the contrary.


    I’m prepared to accept that a given moment in time, a particular society may be unprepared for democracy – but I think it’s plainly an urgent moral and spiritual imperative that such a society be put on the path towards freedom and democracy, and as soon as possible, trained and educated for freedom.

    And while I admit there of course can be benevolent autocrats, it’s plainly a great evil and a great injustice to keep any people in a state of coercion indefinitely.
     

    I think the idea of democracy and freedom as moral imperative is a dangerous one. It gets you stuff like Iraq and Afghanistan. The emphasis should be on realism; and recognizing that different systems are appropriate for different circumstances. There is no one-size fits all; and the so-called march towards the end of history is an illusion.

    Democracy advocates tend to overdo their criticism of authoritarian systems. The image is always one of severe repression and suffocation of all forms of liberty. But having lived under both a democratic and authoritarian system; I can’t say my liberties were significantly different under the latter. I can still read books; move around as I like; go to the cinema; listen to music on my way to work etc. Most of the activities I cherish I am capable of doing under both systems. The only difference is that I don’t get to express my opinion in a newspaper; but since I’m not a journalist; that’s not much of a curtailment. I can vote in both systems, but my vote wouldn’t matter either way.

    I’d much rather be living in an authoritarian system with a GDP per capita of $50,000 than a democratic system with $10,000 of per capita income. The key factor is economic development, not form of government.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Dammit, left you a long reply but my phone shut down 🙂 Too tired to retype, but basically –

    1) Based on recent discoveries that radically revise our understanding, pre-historic people’s actually did create seasonal cities as large and complex as anything in historic times yet without coercive political structures.

    So the scaling issue may not be determinative 🙂

    2) Imposing freedom suddenly on an unprepared population is self indulgent ideological extremism that prefers to gaze adoringly at its own exalted vision rather than make any concessions to a messy reality that requires gradual, sensitive, and nuanced measures.

    One must be morally educated.

    3) Agree that formal political structures like democracy may not always be the best indication of freedom. Hierarchy and inequality of wealth and power are the salient factors, as well as exploitation and oppression.

    There is some correlation between formal political structures and these conditions, but it is imperfect.

    Your experience is not necessarily representative as you are wealthy in your country. When I travel to poor countries my comparative wealth creates an experience of privilege that I am under no illusions is denied the average person there.

    4) I cannot agree that economic development is as important as you think. Wealthy countries often exhibit dissatisfaction and malaise, and strained social relations, despite economic development.

    Clearly, the spiritual environment has an enormous influence on people’s life satisfaction and the possibility of harmonious social interaction – and things like inequality, injustice, oppressive hierarchies, contribute to shaping the spiritual environment.

    That being said, I am sure there are countries that are freer than the West in significant ways without really being democratic – much of South East Asia strikes me as this way – but specifically, Russia and China are significantly more oppressive and exploitative than the West..

    Those political systems are not ones that one should desire to gain credibility at the expense of the West.

    That being said, one should pray for the whole rotten glass bal capitalist system to collapse 🙂

  140. @Ivashka the fool
    @War Observer


    According to the Center for Analytical and Practical Research of Migration Processes, Russia's invasion of Ukraine led to an increase in the influx of migrants to the Russian Federation, replacing local residents (dead, wounded, disabled and those who left)[1]. According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    According to official data for 2014, Russia ranks first in Europe and second in the world after the United States in terms of the number of labor migrants[3]. According to the data of the Federal State Statistics Service, the bulk of migrants are from the CIS countries[4]. Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed[5][6]. According to the National Research University Higher School of Economics, in 2013 the number of legal and illegal labor migrants in Russia was about 7,000,000 people[7], according to the Russian Federal Migration Service - 4.5 million[8], over 83% of which are citizens from the CIS countries with visa-free entry to Russia
     
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8B_%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8



    По данным Центра аналитических и практических исследований миграционных процессов вторжение России на Украину привело к росту притока мигрантов в РФ, заменяющих местных жителей (погибших, раненых, инвалидов и уехавших)[1]. По данным МВД, в январе-сентябре 2022 г. в РФ приехало 12,78 млн мигрантов, что на 3,5 млн больше, чем за аналогичный период 2021 г[2].

    По официальным данным на 2014 год Россия занимает первое место в Европе и второе в мире после США по количеству трудовых мигрантов[3]. Согласно данным Федеральной службы государственной статистики, основную массу мигрантов составляют выходцы из стран СНГ[4]. В Москву с целью трудоустройства ежегодно прибывают до 2 млн иностранных граждан, из них официально трудоустроено 300—400 тысяч[5][6]. По данным НИУ ВШЭ, в 2013 году количество легальных и нелегальных трудовых мигрантов в России составляло около 7 000 000 человек[7], по оценкам ФМС России — 4,5 млн[8], свыше 83 % которых — это граждане из стран СНГ с безвизовым порядком въезда в Россию
     
    Русский мир, бл☆ !

    Спасибо Путину за это...

    Replies: @LatW

    According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].

    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.

    Assuming something like one million young Russian men left to avoid being himars’ed (ok, this number is debatable, but it is at least hundreds of thousands apparently). Then the recent casualties of the war (possibly a 100K both killed and wounded, maybe more, as not all will be counted). Possibly others who left as early as January 2022.

    On the plus side (for Russia, I guess) – a large number of Ukrainians who fled to Russia or children who were trafficked into Russia (they say it is at least tens of thousands of children), overall refugees could be a large number.

    However, this is not 12 or almost 13M. That means the vast bulk of them are young Central Asians. Possibly others like Vietnamese, etc.

    Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    Русский мир

    Русский, indeed. My deepest condolences.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.
     
    No it's not a typo. Yes it's very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.
     

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.
     
    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.
     
    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану...

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW, @QCIC

  141. @Gerard1234
    @War Observer


    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].
     
    LMAO - Konashenkov would have said that Russian air-defence intercepted 44 missiles fired from HIMARS you idiot, not that they destroyed 44 launch systems ( although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already).

    If you are going to propogate this mindless BS, surely you should at least check what he said - and what is entirely plausible/probable ( that they have intercepted 44 missiles from HIMARS, plus many more since then)

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter - lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.


    As for the Bradley IFV's - I'm sure they were even displayed at the military EXPO in Moscow region.


    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday?
     
    His "drab" speech was mainly about social payments and new tax initiatives (as is usual for the address) - of course it should be "drab" to westerners watching you ridiculous cretin. He can't exactly discuss SMO strategy and tactics in public
    As for the "failed Sarmat test" - only plankton like you could swallow typical American BS like that.

    Accept facts - Konashenkov NEVER lies . Ukronazi freaks can't do anything but lie, and lie big you retard.

    My "favourite", without being disrespectful to all the other extreme BS, is ukronazi freaks giving awards posthumously to Border Guard and Navy at Snake Island .....for one of them "heroically" saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself.........even though he didn't say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance........even though they surrendered immediately!!!! As in typical ukronazi loser idiocy.....once it was established that all 80 of them were alive and surrendered immediately but were then released early in a prisoner swap.......they gave them the Hero of Ukraine medals anyway!!!!!!!!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don’t have any photographic documentation of such

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Greasy William


    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don’t have any photographic documentation of such
     
    There has been plenty. Mainly in the form of incinerated MATV's - which more than strongly implies HIMARS - as identifying the destroyed complex it was carrying is difficult of course , although even then there is imagery/video that proves it was HIMARS not other MLRS. Of those targeted in its hangars or other shelter - there has been wreckages shown in Donbass and Kharkov.
  142. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @AnonfromTN

    The point I'm making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect - but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems - exploitative and oppressive and coercive - gain credibility and influence.

    Ultimately, of course I'd rather America shrink to just being an ordinary country - I'd like the whole stinking global system of capitalism to collapse lol :)

    In the meantime, one must choose the lesser of two evils.

    But really, one can simultaneously pray for the current American system to collapse as well as that of China and Russia - the whole world deserves to be free and happy.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Hapalong Cassidy

    I don’t believe it is possible for the Chinese or Russian systems to take hold in the United States. What would be much more likely is to see the US fracture into multiple separate nations. That would be ideal.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Greasy William

    That's fine, but that happening in a world where China and Russia remain strong would leave the American statelets prey to very negative political and economic forces.

    The problem is you're failing to see that America does not live in a vacuum, and others have aggressive and imperialistic tendencies. It's wonderful to be "left alone", but others may not let you. Moreover, people within these newly minted American states will naturally look to the successful large powers for political and economic inspiration, as humans do, and there are no shortage of people in America more than willing to recreate here structures of oppression and exploitation for their own benefit. No doubt, the large successful powers will be flattered at the imitation and gratified to assist them, and acting out of mere political prudence in helping multiply copies of their political structures around the globe.

    I suggest you haven't really thought this through.

    The whole global system has to be reformed and experience a collapse, not one part of it, if there is going to be any genuine change. In the meantime, one has no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils - while never forgetting it is an evil, and that it too should collapse as part of the disappearance of the larger system of evil.

  143. @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    It is an interesting case of “getting what you wished for” curing your illusions about the thing you desired – I’d wager nine tenths of our internet reactionaries, if they found themselves in the sort of society they claim to want, would quickly flee back to the awful liberal countries they left.
     
    We don't want Russia, the Russians are not doing it right (and, yes, they have a different mentality). We want the benign 1930s autocracies of Central Europe (not Nazi Germany either, that's another exaggeration). You grabbed the worst example and extrapolated on all of the right wingers. That's not what we want. We would even be ok with a managed democracy, with elements of nationalism. It doesn't have to be anything crazy. Nobody in today's world is going to accept living under a "Leader", but they will accept certain enforcements such as immigration control (and possibly a few other protectionist measures).

    And, btw, I have been the champion of what you posted above since day one. Let all those who admire Russia from a distance, actually go there, instead of trying to push Ukrainians and others into Russia's arms. I think this should satisfy them.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure, although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    But in today’s world, mass immigration is often a capitalist measure to keep wages down in some countries, to avoid developing and distributing wealth fairly in other countries, and in the current climate of deliberate stoking of racial tensions it’s incendiary.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    But I get that you’re an ethnic nationalist who disagrees with me. That’s fine.

    Fair enough, there are different types of right wingers. I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people, and not just traditional conservative types. Traditional conservative types are far more sympathetic, even though I don’t count myself among their ranks.

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure – in reality, nothing stays “static” for long, and the world is movement (one of the weaknesses of the fascist vision is it’s static nature. Not because this is undesirable, but because this is impossible). Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    But I understand that you have a different perspective on this.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure
     
    Stricter ones than now would be considered "autocratic", but I agree that they should not be regarded as such.

    although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.
     
    Why, of course, they would.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.
     
    In some ways, it was definitely freer, but also less compact and "squeezed together" than now. We all know how much smaller the world got. Although I'm not fully sure there was no "border control". That's something I doubt.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.
     

    One can experience plenty of such in today's world in places such as London, what with all their multi-ethnic food courts, etc. And there are many such mixed, colorful places in the world. I wouldn't say there is a lack of such, if one wants to indulge.

    I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people
     
    I agree, these people are complete hypocrites, I saw that on day one when I first encountered the alt-right. And I say this as someone who likes Russia and would do well there (under certain circumstances).

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure
     

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary "art" projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time.

    Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.
     
    Freedom is very important and freedom is worth fighting for. There would be freedom under my model, but also order and responsibility. And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  144. A rally in Saratov to support the war in Ukraine on Defenders of the Fatherland day.

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000. I’ve seen more for a market. The flag holders were clearly organized beforehand and with hangers on are a significant fraction of the crowd.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/02/22/saratovskiy-miting-v-podderjky-prezidenta-i-svo-sobral-10-tysyach-chelovek.html

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000
     
    Clearly far more than 10000 you mentally retarded worthless bag of shit.
    Patriotic events in Saratov are always well supported you idiot.
    In addition to the very large crowd size.......its obvious from the photos and video that it was extremely cold there yesterday - Minus 18c. How many scandinavian faggots would attend a patriotic event during a war in even Minus 1 you idiot?

    For sure, you're a 70 year old incel loser, and habitual liar.

    Replies: @Jazman

    , @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    The consequences on middle size Russian cities for losing the war in Ukraine and certainly for the prosperity of Muscovites and Petersbergers would be a quick reduction in wealth and overall life expectancy (even excluding war dead).

    they have to know this.

    Replies: @AP

  145. @QCIC
    Can you list modern pipelines where similar accidents have occurred?

    Pipelines are highly vulnerable to sabotage. They are part of the "high trust" world.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Lurker, @Petermx, @Philip Owen

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    For my money Gazprom/Russia did it. Putin had been trying to push Germany to use NS2 not NS1. Gazprom went so far as to fake technical difficulties to NS1, stopping the gas flow to force Germany onto NS2. The Germans didn’t take the bait.

    Why? Using NS2 would have changed the terms and conditions of the contracts. Putin was still so sheltered from the reality of Russia’s war losses and sanctions environment that he was prioritizing NS2 as an issue. Blowing up the alternatives would have saved Gazprom from contractual liabilities. Using NS2 would have locked Germany in.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Philip Owen


    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.
     
    These were property designed pipelines with the required valves.

    Suddenly changing valve positions during an incident can easily make things worse. I would be unsurprised to learn that emergency operator action caused the NS2 event 17 hours after the first blowouts.

    Alas, we will never have a proper After Action Review because of the politics. There is likely much the industry could learn from understanding this complex accident.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    In Wales the sheep outnumber the humans 3 to 1.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

  146. There is some good news. America sees the problem: (1)

    President Trump Warns America That Joe Biden, The State Dept and NATO are Putting us on The Brink of World War III

    President Donald Trump sends a warning to America that Joe Biden, his administration, and the foreign policy establishment in Washington DC, has positioned us on the brink of World War III. He’s right, and CTH will outline the data soon.

    …”a lot of people don’t see it, but I see it, and I’ve been right about a lot of things.”

    President Trump says in this video message that he see’s Joe Biden putting us into direct military conflict with Russia and it is likely to happen very quickly if someone does not intercede soon.

    Video and transcript in the article.

    Ultimately the U.S. House will lead the intervention. Not-The-President Biden lacks the authority to start a war. The funding is also unavailable.

    His own cabinet would suspend him as unfit for duty if the lobotomite tried to announce WW III.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/president-trump-warns-america-that-joe-biden-the-state-dept-and-nato-are-putting-us-on-the-brink-of-world-war-iii/

  147. @Greasy William
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I don't believe it is possible for the Chinese or Russian systems to take hold in the United States. What would be much more likely is to see the US fracture into multiple separate nations. That would be ideal.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    That’s fine, but that happening in a world where China and Russia remain strong would leave the American statelets prey to very negative political and economic forces.

    The problem is you’re failing to see that America does not live in a vacuum, and others have aggressive and imperialistic tendencies. It’s wonderful to be “left alone”, but others may not let you. Moreover, people within these newly minted American states will naturally look to the successful large powers for political and economic inspiration, as humans do, and there are no shortage of people in America more than willing to recreate here structures of oppression and exploitation for their own benefit. No doubt, the large successful powers will be flattered at the imitation and gratified to assist them, and acting out of mere political prudence in helping multiply copies of their political structures around the globe.

    I suggest you haven’t really thought this through.

    The whole global system has to be reformed and experience a collapse, not one part of it, if there is going to be any genuine change. In the meantime, one has no choice but to choose the lesser of two evils – while never forgetting it is an evil, and that it too should collapse as part of the disappearance of the larger system of evil.

  148. @War Observer
    It seems that Wagner PMC was not the superlative fighting machine many pro-Russians said it was. According to Aleksandr Khodakovsky, it is not being deprived of ammunition out of spite, but simply getting it's fair share like all the other units. Prigozhin posts a picture of one day's worth of dead Wagnerites, seemingly to put pressure on the Russian MoD to give it back its privileged position on the resupply pecking order.




    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1628354732053131265

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Prigozyn is being groomed by western coverage as a future warlord in the former RussianFederation.

  149. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    For my money Gazprom/Russia did it. Putin had been trying to push Germany to use NS2 not NS1. Gazprom went so far as to fake technical difficulties to NS1, stopping the gas flow to force Germany onto NS2. The Germans didn't take the bait.

    Why? Using NS2 would have changed the terms and conditions of the contracts. Putin was still so sheltered from the reality of Russia's war losses and sanctions environment that he was prioritizing NS2 as an issue. Blowing up the alternatives would have saved Gazprom from contractual liabilities. Using NS2 would have locked Germany in.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    These were property designed pipelines with the required valves.

    Suddenly changing valve positions during an incident can easily make things worse. I would be unsurprised to learn that emergency operator action caused the NS2 event 17 hours after the first blowouts.

    Alas, we will never have a proper After Action Review because of the politics. There is likely much the industry could learn from understanding this complex accident.

    PEACE 😇

  150. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    According to reasonably reliable sources (there is no such thing as 100% reliable sources of info in a war), Ukrainians are losing ~10 military personnel for each Russian lost. Advice to abandon Bakhmut (Artemovsk) was given Ukraine by many Western analysts. Ukrainian clown-in-chief cited Ukrainian losses as a reason to give him more weapons ASAP.

    As to sources, whatever someone says or said in his/her TG or other media is about as reliable source of info as Nostradamus. E.g., many websites claim that the Earth is flat, so what?

    Replies: @AP, @Triteleia Laxa, @War Observer, @Philip Owen

    Patently absurd. The verified equipment loss ratios published by Oryx may capture more Russian losses than Ukrainian but the difference will not be huge. They suggest something over 3 Russian losses to one Ukrainian at teh quipment level. It’s unlikely infantry will be very different.

    This is graphical using Oryx numbers as well as many other sources. To some extent, Russia lost more because they had more to start with.

    https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    And what /who is Oryx owned by? He, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AP

  151. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @AnonfromTN

    The point I'm making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect - but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems - exploitative and oppressive and coercive - gain credibility and influence.

    Ultimately, of course I'd rather America shrink to just being an ordinary country - I'd like the whole stinking global system of capitalism to collapse lol :)

    In the meantime, one must choose the lesser of two evils.

    But really, one can simultaneously pray for the current American system to collapse as well as that of China and Russia - the whole world deserves to be free and happy.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Hapalong Cassidy

    “The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.“

    While I disagree that the Russian and/or Chinese systems would take root in America, I do agree that the political outcome of a defeat at their hands would not necessarily be for the better. North Korea getting bombed to rubble in the 1950’s resulted in their country becoming more autocratic, not less. Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    • Agree: HeavilyMarbledSteak
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.
     
    It’s already turned inwards. Remember hundreds of political prisoners held on the pretext of Jan 6? Even though the only violent act on that day on Capitol Hill was a government thug murdering an unarmed woman.
  152. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    If smuta just limited to RusFed that would be half of problem, thing is that we have major smuta brewing quietly almost everywhere.

    Things fall apart, center cannot hold, and all that. Entropy is taking over.

    Who's gonna keep paying for pension plans for our retirement LatW ?

    Who's gonna help finance public debt ?

    The Algerian harraga racailles, Romani maques and the Nigerian scammers ?

    They're not idiots...

    Third turning's nearly done. We're getting overdue for the fourth one.

    Major crisis is coming our way whenever we are.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Rus have tried it all.

    Every fad.

    Time to strike hard and fast.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    Yes we tried it all, and we're tired. Can we have some peace for once ? For a change ? I truly wish we could...

  153. @Philip Owen
    @AnonfromTN

    Patently absurd. The verified equipment loss ratios published by Oryx may capture more Russian losses than Ukrainian but the difference will not be huge. They suggest something over 3 Russian losses to one Ukrainian at teh quipment level. It's unlikely infantry will be very different.

    This is graphical using Oryx numbers as well as many other sources. To some extent, Russia lost more because they had more to start with.

    https://github.com/leedrake5/Russia-Ukraine

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    And what /who is Oryx owned by? He, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Unironically quoting Oryx is a bad form.
    These cretins presented one Russian tank as twenty tanks just because Kiev regime moved that one slightly and photoed from different angle.
    And,of course,anything questionable is destroyed Russian tank,which is especially laughable when they presented photos of T-64s in the first two weeks and stuff.
    And then there were attempts to present debris of obviously Kiev regime trash like T-72 AMTs as Russian T-90s of all things...
    Oryx lies.BY DEFAULT.
    It's not open source,it's as far from intelligence is possible,it's classic black propaganda piece.
    Problem here,of course,is that Oryx is a lying propaganda piece that has been caught lying more times that I care to count.
    Another example : The final question regarding Ukraine’s tanks, is where are all the captured Russian tanks? According to Oryx Ukraine has captured over 500 functional Russian tanks including nearly 200 T-72B3 tanks. Ukrainian tank brigade seemingly have around 60 tanks, so shouldn’t they be able to field at least 3 tank brigades with T-72B3 tanks? Plus another 5 brigades with other captured tanks. Yet, I have not seen a single formation of captured Russian tanks in service.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Philip Owen

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.
     
    If Ukrainian troops were losing "position after position" then now, a year into the war, Russia would control more than 15% of Ukraine which is less than the 20% they had controlled earlier.
  154. @Hapalong Cassidy
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    “The point I’m making is that an American defeat and humiliation at the hands of a stronger Russia or China would not lead to improved political outcomes in America, as Greasy seems in my opinion quite foolishly to expect – but rather significantly worse internal politics as the Chinese and Russian systems – exploitative and oppressive and coercive – gain credibility and influence.“

    While I disagree that the Russian and/or Chinese systems would take root in America, I do agree that the political outcome of a defeat at their hands would not necessarily be for the better. North Korea getting bombed to rubble in the 1950’s resulted in their country becoming more autocratic, not less. Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Likewise, a military defeat might merely encourage the U.S. to turn their security infrastructure inwards instead of outwards.

    It’s already turned inwards. Remember hundreds of political prisoners held on the pretext of Jan 6? Even though the only violent act on that day on Capitol Hill was a government thug murdering an unarmed woman.

    • Agree: Greasy William
  155. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, in January-September 2022, 12.78 million migrants arrived in the Russian Federation, which is 3.5 million more than in the same period in 2021[2].
     
    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That's a lot.

    Assuming something like one million young Russian men left to avoid being himars'ed (ok, this number is debatable, but it is at least hundreds of thousands apparently). Then the recent casualties of the war (possibly a 100K both killed and wounded, maybe more, as not all will be counted). Possibly others who left as early as January 2022.

    On the plus side (for Russia, I guess) - a large number of Ukrainians who fled to Russia or children who were trafficked into Russia (they say it is at least tens of thousands of children), overall refugees could be a large number.

    However, this is not 12 or almost 13M. That means the vast bulk of them are young Central Asians. Possibly others like Vietnamese, etc.


    Up to 2 million foreign citizens annually arrive in Moscow for the purpose of employment, of which 300-400 thousand are officially employed
     
    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It's a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won't be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    Русский мир
     
    Русский, indeed. My deepest condolences.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.

    No it’s not a typo. Yes it’s very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.

    [MORE]

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.

    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.

    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану…

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Can't find the link atm, but even according to official stats, number of ethnic Russians in RF went down from 115 to 105 million during last decade, so assuming overall official population at 147 million, there are roughly 29% non-Russians in RF now.

    Usually historically big internal problems started when number of ethnic Russiants went down towards 50% in empire, both in tzarist and soviet editions.

    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.
     
    H0w amny Slavs would be an interesting question. Especially under 40.

    p.s. This Pryannikov guy is really good, thanks for the recommendation.

    Replies: @S

    , @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

  156. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    The Rus have tried it all.

    Every fad.

    Time to strike hard and fast.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yes we tried it all, and we’re tired. Can we have some peace for once ? For a change ? I truly wish we could…

  157. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Most modern pipelines would be better designed. These had no valves to shut off flow and no one tried to place emergency valves (surely standing by somewhere) after the accident.

    For my money Gazprom/Russia did it. Putin had been trying to push Germany to use NS2 not NS1. Gazprom went so far as to fake technical difficulties to NS1, stopping the gas flow to force Germany onto NS2. The Germans didn't take the bait.

    Why? Using NS2 would have changed the terms and conditions of the contracts. Putin was still so sheltered from the reality of Russia's war losses and sanctions environment that he was prioritizing NS2 as an issue. Blowing up the alternatives would have saved Gazprom from contractual liabilities. Using NS2 would have locked Germany in.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    In Wales the sheep outnumber the humans 3 to 1.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    baaaa

    , @A123
    @Wokechoke

    In America: (1)


    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.
     
    So, if each chicken is 3/5 of a human for U.S. House representation..... OOOooo....

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.statista.com/statistics/196028/total-number-of-all-chickens-in-the-us-since-2000/

    Replies: @songbird

  158. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.
     
    No it's not a typo. Yes it's very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.
     

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.
     
    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.
     
    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану...

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW, @QCIC

    Can’t find the link atm, but even according to official stats, number of ethnic Russians in RF went down from 115 to 105 million during last decade, so assuming overall official population at 147 million, there are roughly 29% non-Russians in RF now.

    Usually historically big internal problems started when number of ethnic Russiants went down towards 50% in empire, both in tzarist and soviet editions.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  159. @LatW
    @meamjojo

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South? Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front. Russia is completely exposed, except for Rosgvardia at home and the nuclear triad.

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.
     

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don't have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front.

    How much of a serial bag of excrement do you have to be to believe that stupid nonsense you idiot?

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.

    That’s 900000 new boys/men a year, which is 1.8-1.9 million births each year in Russia. America is about 3.6 million births a year with at least 2 times the population – there is nothing wrong with this………..so WTF is the point is your point you dumb retarded gutterslag?

    We have received at least 5 million Ukrainians in the last year you dumb POS, in addition to millions more on liberated territories. That’s 8 million East Slavs, new Russians. That alone makes the SMO a huge success in history…..that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South?

    Is this pitiful dumbfuck projection that , “Russia is very lucky that China and India aren’t midget scumbag losers with massive inferiority problems who have contributed zero to humanity like the Baltics and Poland, constantly whoring for war “( and losing like the insignificant POS’s that they are)?

    Russia is “lucky” that despite heroic success in defeating at least once every century for the last 500 years of western scum trying to making us extinct……..that China are sane, peaceful nation for most of the millenium?
    Does the issue about lack of men of fighting age apply to Japan you stupid retard, LMAO?!!!!

    Could that statement of idiocy be a result of your psychosis caused by being a a lowlife in Latvian “education” system, where the heroic achievement of Soviet Union in GPW is considered “only” because Japan didn’t attack? LMAO

    Forgetting about the scale of the achievement in defeating Nazi Germany, and even forgetting what I am sure was an implication about Japan in GPW that satisfies severely retarded Baltic revisionists……..Soviet army did annihilate Japan you idiot, which probably is main reason US dropped nuclear bomb on Japan twice . Strategically of course Japan was already defeated by western and eastern allies before Soviet intervention, but Japan had more than enough potential to give serious defence on own territory for over a year more at least.

    I notice zero concerns about the lack of Ukrainian men of fighting age – typical for a piece of trash wanting as many of them sacrificed for the sake of anti-Russian fantasies of some clown from some nothing country

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Gerard1234


    that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.
     
    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

  160. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...EU principles were put in place for Europeans
     
    Who would that be? Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain? Turks with relatives in Germany? Indians with EU work/student visas? Their relatives?

    It is not simple, there are 100's of millions Third Worlders who could be European, maybe 1-2 billion if they apply themselves. Restricting it would remove the one positive that keeps EU going: free movement. Imagine Latvia or Slovakia with no ability to easily leave? The reality of what we have - or don't have - would hit hard.

    EU won't restrict freedom of movement and it can't control its borders. They decided to manage it, pushing the inevitable consequences into future. But the ruling liberals celebrate it, embrace it and declare it that it is the 'new shiny world'.

    EU was a great idea with a built-in self-destructive policies. A Faustian bargain par excellence: live well now at the expense of your society-nation's future. We are close to the time when Mephisto wants his pay. Maybe that's why we are having a war...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @Mikel

    Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain?

    Well, yes.

    Spanish law only requires one Spanish grandparent to be able to claim Spanish nationality. There are many millions who qualify all over Latin America and elsewhere, including the Philippines. Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century. This was an act of somewhat belated repentance for that injustice. My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the Western European countries with an imperial past, and even some without it, are following similar policies. So you guys should clearly understand what the situation is. If Slovakia’s aspirations when it joined the EU are fulfilled and it becomes as prosperous as Germany or Scandinavia, lots of exotic people are likely and totally entitled to migrate to your lands. Some of them will only be European citizens because your Western partners felt ashamed of their history in past centuries.

    But I’m not sure it’s Westerners you should blame if that comes to pass. They’re just going through their own issues but you always had the chance of electing leaders like Orban and form an alliance to defend EE values before Brussels manages to put order in the rebel Hungarian province. Pour encourager les autres.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel


    My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.
     
    I guess it's doable.


    Ils avaient leur organisation hiérarchique officielle reconnue par l’Etat ; connue sous le nom de « Niqabat al-Andaloussyine », avec des biens et des Houbous (Fonds Communs) voués à l’éducation de leurs enfants, et aux mariages de leurs jeunes gens. Ils avaient même leurs écoles et hôpitaux et tout ce qui leur faut pour vivre une vie honorable dans un pays frère. Ils avaient même leurs quartiers à Alger, et ils étaient majoritaires à la Casbah.
     
    Around 30 - 40 % of pre-colonial families of Algiers were of Morisco / Andalusian descendent. Probably more in Oran and Tlemcen, and even higher still in some Moroccan urban centers.

    Certaines familles andalouses ont gardé leurs noms de famille andalous, entre autres : Qortbi, Qortbaoui, Lahmar, Bou’abdalli, S’aidouni, Chebili, Zaidouni, Zanoun, etc.
     
    https://hoggar.org/2006/08/08/les-andalous-dalgerie-un-cas-comateux-ou-une-cause-oubliee/

    Also:

    L’antisémitisme désigne à la fois l’hostilité aux juifs et aux musulmans. Tout souverainiste n’est pas antisémite. Tout antisémite n’est pas souverainiste. Mais il l’est devenu souvent aujourd’hui.
     
    https://www.attali.com/societe/derriere-le-souverainisme-se-cache-trop-souvent-la-haine-des-musulmans/

    Ça promet...

    😏

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century.
     
    Anybody take them up on it? This looks like the silliest PR move conceivable.

    Who holds the world record for ancient apologies? On April Fool's Day the Greek parliament could apologize to the Turks for wiping out Troy.

    Replies: @Mikel

  161. @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already
     
    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don't have any photographic documentation of such

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    It does not appear that any have been destroyed on the battlefield. We certainly don’t have any photographic documentation of such

    There has been plenty. Mainly in the form of incinerated MATV’s – which more than strongly implies HIMARS – as identifying the destroyed complex it was carrying is difficult of course , although even then there is imagery/video that proves it was HIMARS not other MLRS. Of those targeted in its hangars or other shelter – there has been wreckages shown in Donbass and Kharkov.

    • Thanks: Greasy William
  162. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    Currently 90% or even more, 95-97% of the Russian military is active on the Ukrainian front.
     
    How much of a serial bag of excrement do you have to be to believe that stupid nonsense you idiot?

    According to the Russian population census of 2020–2021, the number of men 18–26 years old in Russia was around 7.21 million in 2021.

    I hope those cubs are salvaged and don’t have to go into combat. Not now, not in the next 100 years.
     
    That's 900000 new boys/men a year, which is 1.8-1.9 million births each year in Russia. America is about 3.6 million births a year with at least 2 times the population - there is nothing wrong with this...........so WTF is the point is your point you dumb retarded gutterslag?

    We have received at least 5 million Ukrainians in the last year you dumb POS, in addition to millions more on liberated territories. That's 8 million East Slavs, new Russians. That alone makes the SMO a huge success in history.....that's before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    Russia is very lucky that she only has physical challenges on the Western flank. Imagine if Russia had active enemies in the East and in the South?
     
    Is this pitiful dumbfuck projection that , "Russia is very lucky that China and India aren't midget scumbag losers with massive inferiority problems who have contributed zero to humanity like the Baltics and Poland, constantly whoring for war "( and losing like the insignificant POS's that they are)?

    Russia is "lucky" that despite heroic success in defeating at least once every century for the last 500 years of western scum trying to making us extinct........that China are sane, peaceful nation for most of the millenium?
    Does the issue about lack of men of fighting age apply to Japan you stupid retard, LMAO?!!!!

    Could that statement of idiocy be a result of your psychosis caused by being a a lowlife in Latvian "education" system, where the heroic achievement of Soviet Union in GPW is considered "only" because Japan didn't attack? LMAO

    Forgetting about the scale of the achievement in defeating Nazi Germany, and even forgetting what I am sure was an implication about Japan in GPW that satisfies severely retarded Baltic revisionists........Soviet army did annihilate Japan you idiot, which probably is main reason US dropped nuclear bomb on Japan twice . Strategically of course Japan was already defeated by western and eastern allies before Soviet intervention, but Japan had more than enough potential to give serious defence on own territory for over a year more at least.

    I notice zero concerns about the lack of Ukrainian men of fighting age - typical for a piece of trash wanting as many of them sacrificed for the sake of anti-Russian fantasies of some clown from some nothing country

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.

    It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    It is not about optics in the West.

    I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them. Once this brutal task is complete, they will reach an agreement if Kiev has not already capitulated.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @Ivashka the fool


    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.....
     
    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.

    As a secondary point - how deranged do you have to be think Terbat. gays "defended" certain regions while in other regions ukronazi army and Nazi battalions got pissed over and incinerated?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

  163. @Philip Owen
    A rally in Saratov to support the war in Ukraine on Defenders of the Fatherland day.

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don't assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000. I've seen more for a market. The flag holders were clearly organized beforehand and with hangers on are a significant fraction of the crowd.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/02/22/saratovskiy-miting-v-podderjky-prezidenta-i-svo-sobral-10-tysyach-chelovek.html

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Wokechoke

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000

    Clearly far more than 10000 you mentally retarded worthless bag of shit.
    Patriotic events in Saratov are always well supported you idiot.
    In addition to the very large crowd size…….its obvious from the photos and video that it was extremely cold there yesterday – Minus 18c. How many scandinavian faggots would attend a patriotic event during a war in even Minus 1 you idiot?

    For sure, you’re a 70 year old incel loser, and habitual liar.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @Gerard1234

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  164. @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    In Wales the sheep outnumber the humans 3 to 1.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    baaaa

  165. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain?
     
    Well, yes.

    Spanish law only requires one Spanish grandparent to be able to claim Spanish nationality. There are many millions who qualify all over Latin America and elsewhere, including the Philippines. Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century. This was an act of somewhat belated repentance for that injustice. My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the Western European countries with an imperial past, and even some without it, are following similar policies. So you guys should clearly understand what the situation is. If Slovakia's aspirations when it joined the EU are fulfilled and it becomes as prosperous as Germany or Scandinavia, lots of exotic people are likely and totally entitled to migrate to your lands. Some of them will only be European citizens because your Western partners felt ashamed of their history in past centuries.

    But I'm not sure it's Westerners you should blame if that comes to pass. They're just going through their own issues but you always had the chance of electing leaders like Orban and form an alliance to defend EE values before Brussels manages to put order in the rebel Hungarian province. Pour encourager les autres.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

    My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    I guess it’s doable.

    Ils avaient leur organisation hiérarchique officielle reconnue par l’Etat ; connue sous le nom de « Niqabat al-Andaloussyine », avec des biens et des Houbous (Fonds Communs) voués à l’éducation de leurs enfants, et aux mariages de leurs jeunes gens. Ils avaient même leurs écoles et hôpitaux et tout ce qui leur faut pour vivre une vie honorable dans un pays frère. Ils avaient même leurs quartiers à Alger, et ils étaient majoritaires à la Casbah.

    Around 30 – 40 % of pre-colonial families of Algiers were of Morisco / Andalusian descendent. Probably more in Oran and Tlemcen, and even higher still in some Moroccan urban centers.

    Certaines familles andalouses ont gardé leurs noms de famille andalous, entre autres : Qortbi, Qortbaoui, Lahmar, Bou’abdalli, S’aidouni, Chebili, Zaidouni, Zanoun, etc.

    https://hoggar.org/2006/08/08/les-andalous-dalgerie-un-cas-comateux-ou-une-cause-oubliee/

    Also:

    L’antisémitisme désigne à la fois l’hostilité aux juifs et aux musulmans. Tout souverainiste n’est pas antisémite. Tout antisémite n’est pas souverainiste. Mais il l’est devenu souvent aujourd’hui.

    https://www.attali.com/societe/derriere-le-souverainisme-se-cache-trop-souvent-la-haine-des-musulmans/

    Ça promet…

    😏

    • Thanks: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool


    I guess it’s doable.
     
    If this kind of thing is doable, then it will be done in due time.

    As you know from your time in France, these days these laws are passed based on emotions. I actually know very well why the Sephardic Jews were given a blanket right to Spanish nationality. It's because some of them managed to keep speaking an old form of Spanish centuries after being expelled from the Iberian peninsula. You still find small communities of Jews that speak their version of Spanish (Ladino iirc) in places like Turkey or Israel itself. For years the Spanish TV would go on and on about this. I guess these poor people maintained their old speech because they never could assimilate to the places they settled in more than due to a sense of belonging to the country that expelled them. But the Spanish legislators interpreted things their own way.

    Based on the information you provide here, I'm sure plenty of people must be working on extending the same right to the the other victims of the Alhambra Decree. The problem is that Spain, like the rest of Southern Europe, is already receiving lots of undocumented Maghrebis and they are actually one of the groups with the highest rate of assimilation problems so tptb must be waiting for more propicious times.

    Once Western European countries get Californized with several generations of immigrants of all origins living there and constituting a sizeable, if not a majority, of the population, further immigration trends look likely to accelerate, rather than decline.
  166. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.
     
    No it's not a typo. Yes it's very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.
     

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.
     
    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.
     
    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану...

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW, @QCIC

    Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    H0w amny Slavs would be an interesting question. Especially under 40.

    p.s. This Pryannikov guy is really good, thanks for the recommendation.

    • Replies: @S
    @LatW

    In the other thread, LatW, you were attempting to resolve the riddle of the Scots. You'd also mentioned your Scottish in origin woman friend and her personality characteristics.

    Were you were aware that the Scots have high testosterone levels? Certainly the men do, and I can only presume the women do as well.

    Below is an excerpt (with link) to an article about high testosterone in women. It matches up pretty well with your description of your lady friend.


    'Competitive and social dominance are correlated to testosterone levels. "Although they can get along with others, [women with high testosterone] don't hesitate to rise to the challenge and compete when the situation warrants it," says Sweeton. "Others may view them as a leader, and a person they can turn to for guidance when a situation is unclear or a problem is particularly challenging."
     
    https://www.bustle.com/p/if-you-have-these-7-personality-traits-you-might-have-high-levels-of-testosterone-9185973

    As an aside, below is a clip from the Scotploitation flick Trainspotting. In between the subtle promotion of the degeneracy of heroin use and addiction, some hard truths about Scotland's actual situation is spoken aloud between 1:14 -1:50.

    I'd swear, a major draw of the film for many was simply having the opportunity to hear an abundance of the Scottish brogue spoken, a brogue which is indeed music to the ears. :-)


    https://youtu.be/xtbS_PdA198



    Scottish brogue to English translation, if needed. :-)

    https://youtu.be/79hZrZrNlPo
  167. @Ivashka the fool
    @Gerard1234


    that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.
     
    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    It is not about optics in the West.

    I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them. Once this brutal task is complete, they will reach an agreement if Kiev has not already capitulated.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.
     
    https://live.staticflickr.com/2119/2478061292_25896dc13e_b.jpg

    I believe neither Russian, nor Ukrainian people need to fight this war.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    Somebody else does...

    (You can find the pdf of the article online).

    And yeah, according to Martin Armstrong, who was citing "his sources in Ukraine", Russian army has already killed and maimed more than 250 000 Ukrainian combatants.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @QCIC


    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight... I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them
     
    Here we have meticulous and bloodthirsty R1b culture in full display. Beasts like QCIC see a need for maximum Slavic deaths.

    Replies: @QCIC

  168. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Wait a minute. Are those numbers real or is there a typo? Those are insanely high numbers even for Russia! Almost 13M new arrivals?? That’s a lot.
     
    No it's not a typo. Yes it's very high.

    According to the quantitative characteristics of the incoming migration flow to Russia, the official data of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation for 2016–20176 indicate an average value of 15 million people per year. And this is only in terms of the number of registrations with the migration service. Not all of them stay in the country year-round, but the total share of migrants from abroad, annually present in the country at any given time, is at least 8%[7] of the population of Russia. The overwhelming majority of such migrants are labor migrants who make out their stay in the Russian Federation for short periods, often continuously over and over again. Taking into account the volume of illegal migrants, whose number even officials estimate with a surprising range of 2.6 to 8–10 million people [8], it is impossible to determine the actual number of migrants.
     

    По количественным характеристикам миграционного въездного потока в Россию официальные данные МВД РФ за 2016–2017 гг.6 свидетельствуют о средней величине в 15 млн человек в год. И это только по количеству постановки на учет в миграционной службе. Не все они находятся в стране круглогодично, но общая доля мигрантов из-за рубежа, ежегодно присутствующая в стране в каждый момент времени, составляет не менее 8%[7] населения России. Подавляющее большинство таких мигрантов трудовые, оформляющие свое пребывание в РФ на короткие сроки, часто непрерывно раз за разом. С учетом объема нелегальных мигрантов, численность которых даже официальные лица оценивают с удивительным по размаху диапазоном от 2,6 до 8–10 млн человек [8], определить фактическую численность мигрантов невозможно.
     
    https://www.vshouz.ru/journal/2018-god/demograficheskiy-vyzov-rossii-ratsionalnye-resheniya-i-gotovnost-sistemy-obshchestvennogo-zdorovya/

    Do these 2M rotate back home after they are done with their contracts and receive the salaries that they bring back home, or are there new 2M arriving in Moscow each year? (!!!) There is probably a lot of back and forth movement, but it looks like more and more are accumulating in Moscow. It’s a huge Eurasian megacity now. All this activity will most likely attract even more foreigners. It will thrive but it won’t be truly Russian. Then again if the non-Slavs do not exceed 10%, it might be ok.
     
    They rotate, but the overall proportion of the Central Asian migrants is getting higher every year. Pavel Priannikov had provided some very worrying statistics on his Telegram channel about this and the Russian demographics in general.

    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14730
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14750
    https://t.me/tolk_tolk/14751

    More than 20 million migrants in Russia. Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.

    Всё идёт по плану...

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW, @QCIC

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids….

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    From personal experience, 4 kids were enough to take care of my own PTSD, 8 kids is unfortunatelly over the top for most modern men. Although I once had a nice talk with an Ashkenazi Haredi Rabbi who had 16 children.

    Seriously though, the birthrate of ethnic Russians is rather low and is falling even further since the Covid epidemics started. Also, recent polling indicates that young Russians are being less inclined to have children since the beginning of war.

    Eastern Slavs don't need even more abysmal demographics. Somebody else does...

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    This type of cope may accurately be described as Satanic.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    nah, shove the darkies into the combat zone. Tartars, Slants etc. Conserve the white boys for technical fields like repair and electronic warfare.

  169. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    It is not about optics in the West.

    I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them. Once this brutal task is complete, they will reach an agreement if Kiev has not already capitulated.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    I believe neither Russian, nor Ukrainian people need to fight this war.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    Somebody else does…

    (You can find the pdf of the article online).

    And yeah, according to Martin Armstrong, who was citing “his sources in Ukraine”, Russian army has already killed and maimed more than 250 000 Ukrainian combatants.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I meant "need" in the sense the opponents have been selected to fight and certain things need to occur before the fight ends.

    It seems ground rules have been accepted within or above the governments for a long time. I have no idea how this really works and would probably find it upsetting if I knew. My thoughts on the SMO are only informed by a tiny knowledge of a few small aspects of the conflict.

    Within this game, I suspect that Russia will fight, Ukraine will fight and lose. Ukraine will be recombined with Russia in a manner that could be good in the long run, but who really knows? The angry armed resistance which the West has carefully grown makes any civil solution impossible so these men must die to make way for the next phase. I doubt the planners of the conflict expected this, but would not be shocked to find out that everything was intentional.

    I don't know if Putin is part of the high level diabolical maneuvering. He might be or may simply be trying to deal with it as best he can. He seems genuinely intelligent and articulate and approximately watching out for the Russia people, given all sorts of caveats. Sadly, there has been no US President in my lifetime who could live up to those standards, so if nothing else his existence helps me see how things "might be" with a "world leader". I respect what he appears to be, even though I don't know enough to establish if this image is factual. Of course many see all bad there and some of that may be true.

  170. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    From personal experience, 4 kids were enough to take care of my own PTSD, 8 kids is unfortunatelly over the top for most modern men. Although I once had a nice talk with an Ashkenazi Haredi Rabbi who had 16 children.

    Seriously though, the birthrate of ethnic Russians is rather low and is falling even further since the Covid epidemics started. Also, recent polling indicates that young Russians are being less inclined to have children since the beginning of war.

    Eastern Slavs don’t need even more abysmal demographics. Somebody else does…

  171. @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    In Wales the sheep outnumber the humans 3 to 1.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    In America: (1)

    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.

    So, if each chicken is 3/5 of a human for U.S. House representation….. OOOooo….

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.statista.com/statistics/196028/total-number-of-all-chickens-in-the-us-since-2000/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.
     
    Egg layers, maybe? But not broilers, of which there were nearly 10 billion hatched in the US that year.

    https://sentientmedia.org/number-of-chickens-in-the-us/
    (I think they use government stats)

    Replies: @QCIC

  172. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @LatW

    I don't regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure, although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    But in today's world, mass immigration is often a capitalist measure to keep wages down in some countries, to avoid developing and distributing wealth fairly in other countries, and in the current climate of deliberate stoking of racial tensions it's incendiary.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious - kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid :) I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the "other", not threatened by it - but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    But I get that you're an ethnic nationalist who disagrees with me. That's fine.

    Fair enough, there are different types of right wingers. I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people, and not just traditional conservative types. Traditional conservative types are far more sympathetic, even though I don't count myself among their ranks.

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that's not terrible, but I wonder if that's really possible as anything more than a temporary measure - in reality, nothing stays "static" for long, and the world is movement (one of the weaknesses of the fascist vision is it's static nature. Not because this is undesirable, but because this is impossible). Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    But I understand that you have a different perspective on this.

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure

    Stricter ones than now would be considered “autocratic”, but I agree that they should not be regarded as such.

    although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.

    Why, of course, they would.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.

    In some ways, it was definitely freer, but also less compact and “squeezed together” than now. We all know how much smaller the world got. Although I’m not fully sure there was no “border control”. That’s something I doubt.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.

    One can experience plenty of such in today’s world in places such as London, what with all their multi-ethnic food courts, etc. And there are many such mixed, colorful places in the world. I wouldn’t say there is a lack of such, if one wants to indulge.

    I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people

    I agree, these people are complete hypocrites, I saw that on day one when I first encountered the alt-right. And I say this as someone who likes Russia and would do well there (under certain circumstances).

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time.

    Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.

    Freedom is very important and freedom is worth fighting for. There would be freedom under my model, but also order and responsibility. And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @LatW

    I agree, I wouldn't force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn't want it.

    While I think an extreme alt-right state that is hostile to and humiliates and even engages in violence against foreigners should become an international pariah and be subject to pressure, a merely conservative, traditional state that wants to largely retain it's demographics and culture, but is also capable of welcoming foreigners to a limited extent and doesn't excessively repress alternative lifestyles and points of view is something that it is perfectly possible to coexist with.

    In short, I'd be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal, but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah :) (and would)

    In non extreme cases, any social change that I favor should be encouraged in non-coercice ways - even seductive ways, if you understand what I mean (not in a sinister way lol, but an honest, open way). If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it's inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    And at the end of the day, not every society needs to come down precisely on the same social arrangements on different metrics, and there ought to be room for genuinely different visions of the good life provided one avoids obvious large scale injustice, cruelty, and evil.


    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time
     
    .

    I don't seriously object to any of this, even if they aren't my preferred social arrangements exactly (although I am 100% with you on banning socially predatory finance!), and as long as they don't spill over eventually into outright repression against gays or cruelty to foreigners (and there is no reason they need to).

    My only point is that it is a "static" vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it's vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    But this is just a general philosophical remark that you are free to reject or take to heart, and at the end of the day, it's your society and within rather broad moral latitudes you should have the freedom to make your own choices.

    And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.
     
    I probably agree with this in it's entirety :)

    Replies: @LatW

  173. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel


    My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.
     
    I guess it's doable.


    Ils avaient leur organisation hiérarchique officielle reconnue par l’Etat ; connue sous le nom de « Niqabat al-Andaloussyine », avec des biens et des Houbous (Fonds Communs) voués à l’éducation de leurs enfants, et aux mariages de leurs jeunes gens. Ils avaient même leurs écoles et hôpitaux et tout ce qui leur faut pour vivre une vie honorable dans un pays frère. Ils avaient même leurs quartiers à Alger, et ils étaient majoritaires à la Casbah.
     
    Around 30 - 40 % of pre-colonial families of Algiers were of Morisco / Andalusian descendent. Probably more in Oran and Tlemcen, and even higher still in some Moroccan urban centers.

    Certaines familles andalouses ont gardé leurs noms de famille andalous, entre autres : Qortbi, Qortbaoui, Lahmar, Bou’abdalli, S’aidouni, Chebili, Zaidouni, Zanoun, etc.
     
    https://hoggar.org/2006/08/08/les-andalous-dalgerie-un-cas-comateux-ou-une-cause-oubliee/

    Also:

    L’antisémitisme désigne à la fois l’hostilité aux juifs et aux musulmans. Tout souverainiste n’est pas antisémite. Tout antisémite n’est pas souverainiste. Mais il l’est devenu souvent aujourd’hui.
     
    https://www.attali.com/societe/derriere-le-souverainisme-se-cache-trop-souvent-la-haine-des-musulmans/

    Ça promet...

    😏

    Replies: @Mikel

    I guess it’s doable.

    If this kind of thing is doable, then it will be done in due time.

    As you know from your time in France, these days these laws are passed based on emotions. I actually know very well why the Sephardic Jews were given a blanket right to Spanish nationality. It’s because some of them managed to keep speaking an old form of Spanish centuries after being expelled from the Iberian peninsula. You still find small communities of Jews that speak their version of Spanish (Ladino iirc) in places like Turkey or Israel itself. For years the Spanish TV would go on and on about this. I guess these poor people maintained their old speech because they never could assimilate to the places they settled in more than due to a sense of belonging to the country that expelled them. But the Spanish legislators interpreted things their own way.

    Based on the information you provide here, I’m sure plenty of people must be working on extending the same right to the the other victims of the Alhambra Decree. The problem is that Spain, like the rest of Southern Europe, is already receiving lots of undocumented Maghrebis and they are actually one of the groups with the highest rate of assimilation problems so tptb must be waiting for more propicious times.

    Once Western European countries get Californized with several generations of immigrants of all origins living there and constituting a sizeable, if not a majority, of the population, further immigration trends look likely to accelerate, rather than decline.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  174. @A123
    @Wokechoke

    In America: (1)


    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.
     
    So, if each chicken is 3/5 of a human for U.S. House representation..... OOOooo....

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.statista.com/statistics/196028/total-number-of-all-chickens-in-the-us-since-2000/

    Replies: @songbird

    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.

    Egg layers, maybe? But not broilers, of which there were nearly 10 billion hatched in the US that year.

    https://sentientmedia.org/number-of-chickens-in-the-us/
    (I think they use government stats)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Based on this comment and your user name, I'm now having flashbacks to Alfred Hitchcock's movie The Birds.

    Go Tippy! Go Susie!

    Replies: @songbird

  175. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.
     
    https://live.staticflickr.com/2119/2478061292_25896dc13e_b.jpg

    I believe neither Russian, nor Ukrainian people need to fight this war.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/balancing-east-upgrading-west

    Somebody else does...

    (You can find the pdf of the article online).

    And yeah, according to Martin Armstrong, who was citing "his sources in Ukraine", Russian army has already killed and maimed more than 250 000 Ukrainian combatants.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I meant “need” in the sense the opponents have been selected to fight and certain things need to occur before the fight ends.

    It seems ground rules have been accepted within or above the governments for a long time. I have no idea how this really works and would probably find it upsetting if I knew. My thoughts on the SMO are only informed by a tiny knowledge of a few small aspects of the conflict.

    Within this game, I suspect that Russia will fight, Ukraine will fight and lose. Ukraine will be recombined with Russia in a manner that could be good in the long run, but who really knows? The angry armed resistance which the West has carefully grown makes any civil solution impossible so these men must die to make way for the next phase. I doubt the planners of the conflict expected this, but would not be shocked to find out that everything was intentional.

    I don’t know if Putin is part of the high level diabolical maneuvering. He might be or may simply be trying to deal with it as best he can. He seems genuinely intelligent and articulate and approximately watching out for the Russia people, given all sorts of caveats. Sadly, there has been no US President in my lifetime who could live up to those standards, so if nothing else his existence helps me see how things “might be” with a “world leader”. I respect what he appears to be, even though I don’t know enough to establish if this image is factual. Of course many see all bad there and some of that may be true.

  176. @songbird
    @A123


    In 2020, the number of all chickens in the United States totaled around 518.3 million.
     
    Egg layers, maybe? But not broilers, of which there were nearly 10 billion hatched in the US that year.

    https://sentientmedia.org/number-of-chickens-in-the-us/
    (I think they use government stats)

    Replies: @QCIC

    Based on this comment and your user name, I’m now having flashbacks to Alfred Hitchcock’s movie The Birds.

    Go Tippy! Go Susie!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    Think I have only seen bits of it, but I recall this:
    https://youtu.be/5NoP_VrnmCQ

    Replies: @QCIC

  177. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    And what /who is Oryx owned by? He, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AP

    Unironically quoting Oryx is a bad form.
    These cretins presented one Russian tank as twenty tanks just because Kiev regime moved that one slightly and photoed from different angle.
    And,of course,anything questionable is destroyed Russian tank,which is especially laughable when they presented photos of T-64s in the first two weeks and stuff.
    And then there were attempts to present debris of obviously Kiev regime trash like T-72 AMTs as Russian T-90s of all things…
    Oryx lies.BY DEFAULT.
    It’s not open source,it’s as far from intelligence is possible,it’s classic black propaganda piece.
    Problem here,of course,is that Oryx is a lying propaganda piece that has been caught lying more times that I care to count.
    Another example : The final question regarding Ukraine’s tanks, is where are all the captured Russian tanks? According to Oryx Ukraine has captured over 500 functional Russian tanks including nearly 200 T-72B3 tanks. Ukrainian tank brigade seemingly have around 60 tanks, so shouldn’t they be able to field at least 3 tank brigades with T-72B3 tanks? Plus another 5 brigades with other captured tanks. Yet, I have not seen a single formation of captured Russian tanks in service.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Jazman

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OId8MmGgAlg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dArKxgBRqMk

    , @Philip Owen
    @Jazman

    The tanks are coming. Still not tank weather until May. Mud.

    Replies: @German_reader

  178. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Based on this comment and your user name, I'm now having flashbacks to Alfred Hitchcock's movie The Birds.

    Go Tippy! Go Susie!

    Replies: @songbird

    Think I have only seen bits of it, but I recall this:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I don't know what that means,

    but Tippy Hedren and Suzanne Pleshette looked great in the movie. Forget about the damn birds.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

  179. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    And what /who is Oryx owned by? He, who pays the musicians, calls the tune.

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AP

    If what you (or your Oryx) say were even remotely true, the war would not still be going on the territory Ukraine claims as its own, with Ukrainian troops losing position after position.

    If Ukrainian troops were losing “position after position” then now, a year into the war, Russia would control more than 15% of Ukraine which is less than the 20% they had controlled earlier.

  180. @songbird
    @QCIC

    Think I have only seen bits of it, but I recall this:
    https://youtu.be/5NoP_VrnmCQ

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t know what that means,

    but Tippy Hedren and Suzanne Pleshette looked great in the movie. Forget about the damn birds.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Fan of the original Bob Newhart show.

    , @songbird
    @QCIC


    Forget about the damn birds.
     
    Thought I heard someone say once that Birds can be watched as an allegory. If so, that might make them hugely entertaining.

    When I was quite young, I used to enjoy the movie Gremlins 2. Rewatched it about a year or so ago, and found that it is pretty funny if you watch it from that angle. (Surely, unintended by the film-makers?)
  181. @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don’t assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000
     
    Clearly far more than 10000 you mentally retarded worthless bag of shit.
    Patriotic events in Saratov are always well supported you idiot.
    In addition to the very large crowd size.......its obvious from the photos and video that it was extremely cold there yesterday - Minus 18c. How many scandinavian faggots would attend a patriotic event during a war in even Minus 1 you idiot?

    For sure, you're a 70 year old incel loser, and habitual liar.

    Replies: @Jazman

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.
     
    Drug effects wear off. Mental defects do not. There is Russian saying “only the grave can straighten a hunchback”.
  182. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @LatW
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.
     
    I was talking about the elites, not the "youth" - I thought you were talking about the elites in your original post? And, btw, some of the elites are quite young. My point was that your example is not a good one because the Baltic States are a bit different than the rest of the EU in this regard in that a sizable portion of the elites (not all, but a sizable portion) are not connected to what you call the "high status ideology". Yes, there is such a type who are trying to do that (similar to how back in the day, some tried to larp as "Germans", we called them "willow Germans" - willow being a light flexible tree that bends easily or sways easily, they are looked down on, similarly, we now have "willow Anglos" or "willow Euros" - people who kiss up to the leading ideology but they are not the majority). One can be respectable and successful without adhering to this ideology.

    I'm not saying this won't change at some point. But it is not the case now. It is different from the West that way. Again, for now.

    Also, looking further into the future, we do not know what will be the status of this ideology. What will be the status of the West. It doesn't mean that other ideologies (those in the East) will become more appealing, everyone sees the duplicity of them (authoritarian at home but parking your money in the West or other safe places), besides the essence of those ideologies is not that appealing to begin with.


    It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off.
     
    The package deal is not "black and white". The package deal is a parliamentary set up with everyone represented at the Euro Parliament and a pluralistic system. The package deal also respects local culture - this is emphasized in how languages are respected in the EU. You have a very one sided view of the EU. Remember also, if things get really bad - too compromising - there is a way out, it is not like the Soviet Union that way.

    You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military
     
    There is no "joy" in what is happening. This is a humanitarian catastrophe and a deep wound on the body of everyone who is post-USSR, that will not heal (or will take forever to heal). The scale of this was not expected. There is no "joy", just dislike, worry and some minor fear.

    But, yes, that they moved the troops from Pskov to Ukraine might be a bit of a relief.

    Everyone is thinking, comprehensively, what can be done to make the future safer. There is no joy, the price for the Ukrainians is excruciatingly high. And it's not even over.


    but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore
     
    This will be neither the fault of Russia nor the West. This will be our own fault.

    Once again, thank you for your "kind hearted" concern, it is noted. Not that you guys don't have similar problems and not that you have some "magical pill" to solve these problems.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Wokechoke

    Not that you guys don’t have similar problems

    China implemented mass internment in at least 2017-18 to get Uighurs to join the common social fabric. Levels of immigration to China are very low. The large numbers of students from the rest of the developing world in China find it difficult to stay after graduation. The racial demographics of China are not changing.

    not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.

    Orban and China have figured out a solution: Fudan University in Budapest. Orban knows he can’t trust white people in education. Once Orban is retired from politics whatever institution he creates in education will rot because it will be the focal point of progressive efforts. Therefore a prestigious Chinese university needs to be built in every European country that wishes to preserve national sovereignty against malign progressive forces seeking to bring in mass immigration from outside of Europe. The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.
     
    And they would learn writing the 14 Words in Chinese...

    我們必須確保我們人民的生存和白人兒童的未來

    That's an 88th level of trolling.

    Admirable...

    😏

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  183. Great discussion with a former CIA analyst and Johns Hopkins professor:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Another roundtable where the very astute "Independent Political analyst" Mike Averko was not invited to attend? You seem to be losing your luster, Mickey...

  184. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I don't know what that means,

    but Tippy Hedren and Suzanne Pleshette looked great in the movie. Forget about the damn birds.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

    Fan of the original Bob Newhart show.

  185. @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Unironically quoting Oryx is a bad form.
    These cretins presented one Russian tank as twenty tanks just because Kiev regime moved that one slightly and photoed from different angle.
    And,of course,anything questionable is destroyed Russian tank,which is especially laughable when they presented photos of T-64s in the first two weeks and stuff.
    And then there were attempts to present debris of obviously Kiev regime trash like T-72 AMTs as Russian T-90s of all things...
    Oryx lies.BY DEFAULT.
    It's not open source,it's as far from intelligence is possible,it's classic black propaganda piece.
    Problem here,of course,is that Oryx is a lying propaganda piece that has been caught lying more times that I care to count.
    Another example : The final question regarding Ukraine’s tanks, is where are all the captured Russian tanks? According to Oryx Ukraine has captured over 500 functional Russian tanks including nearly 200 T-72B3 tanks. Ukrainian tank brigade seemingly have around 60 tanks, so shouldn’t they be able to field at least 3 tank brigades with T-72B3 tanks? Plus another 5 brigades with other captured tanks. Yet, I have not seen a single formation of captured Russian tanks in service.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Philip Owen

  186. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow

    It's very common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won't die for their cause. This mistake happens so often - and always blows up in the face of those who make it - that it should really have its own name and be studied as a special psychological phenomena. Quite literally every single tough guy tyrant, everywhere, for the past several hundred years, has made some version of the "they're paper tigers" mistake, only to suffer for it.

    Just as I mentioned earlier that large civilizations suffer from a kind of "autism", I think there is something about the tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their "weak" adversaries.

    Certain mindsets appear prone to certain blind spots, and it's actually quite interesting to study. Democracies are similarly autistic when they think everyone will become just like them when a tyrant is overthrown.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause

    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1

    tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries

    I am not sure what that means, it sounds clever but meaningless. In this war, the West expected Russia to collapse economically – they didn’t, is that autism? Now they think that Kiev will win on the battlefield, also autism? Russia thought that most Ukies wouldn’t fight – but they do fight and die, who is autistic in that equation?

    None of this changes anything: stronger force in its own region is facing a weaker adversary supported by the West, but the West won’t come in and fight…

    If your point is that Europeans would fight in Ukraine, I disagree. Maybe the Poles, Romanians, Balts, and a few mercenaries like now. But the Germans, Dutch, French, Italians, etc… would not go to die in the Ukie fields. More would fight if their own borders were crossed – but how is that in the realm of possible? Who seriously believes that Russia wants a land war with EU? It would go nuclear…

    With your level of thinking I am not sure anyone can help you – you live in your stereotypes. And you talk about blind spots, precious :)…

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Maybe up to 12,000 Polish KIA in Ukraine's Commie drawn boundary.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow


    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…
     
    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it's own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it's materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it's painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the "decadence" of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean, @Beckow

  187. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Russian population possibly overestimated by up to 30 million people.
     
    H0w amny Slavs would be an interesting question. Especially under 40.

    p.s. This Pryannikov guy is really good, thanks for the recommendation.

    Replies: @S

    In the other thread, LatW, you were attempting to resolve the riddle of the Scots. You’d also mentioned your Scottish in origin woman friend and her personality characteristics.

    Were you were aware that the Scots have high testosterone levels? Certainly the men do, and I can only presume the women do as well.

    Below is an excerpt (with link) to an article about high testosterone in women. It matches up pretty well with your description of your lady friend.

    ‘Competitive and social dominance are correlated to testosterone levels. “Although they can get along with others, [women with high testosterone] don’t hesitate to rise to the challenge and compete when the situation warrants it,” says Sweeton. “Others may view them as a leader, and a person they can turn to for guidance when a situation is unclear or a problem is particularly challenging.”

    https://www.bustle.com/p/if-you-have-these-7-personality-traits-you-might-have-high-levels-of-testosterone-9185973

    As an aside, below is a clip from the Scotploitation flick Trainspotting. In between the subtle promotion of the degeneracy of heroin use and addiction, some hard truths about Scotland’s actual situation is spoken aloud between 1:14 -1:50.

    I’d swear, a major draw of the film for many was simply having the opportunity to hear an abundance of the Scottish brogue spoken, a brogue which is indeed music to the ears. 🙂

    [MORE]

    Scottish brogue to English translation, if needed. 🙂

  188. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Actually, Estonia is not a good example to make your point, because Estonian nationalists are rather high IQ.
     
    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job. In emerging white Western countries, the smart kids are herding and adopting these beliefs. However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path. However, if you are being intellectually dishonest and Estonia is not actually a rare exception then too bad for not facing up to it. It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off. You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don't speak to you anymore.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW, @Triteleia Laxa

    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they’re just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves “the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails.” This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you’re not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like “it is just high status” only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can’t learn from them.

    [MORE]

    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    On imitating the rich and successful.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/miamis-billionaire-bunker-is-a-high-security-island-that-has-a-13-person-police-force-for-its-42-residents-a-real-estate-agent-got-me-past-the-guardhouse-heres-what-the-exclusive-community-looks-like/articleshow/69270651.cms


    "It's been called the "Billionaire Bunker" and one of the "wealthiest, private, most secure communities in Miami Beach and the world." Indian Creek is a village of just 42 people on a tiny private island in Miami's Biscayne Bay. Its "Billionaire Bunker" nickname stems from its wildly wealthy and high-profile residents, including billionaire investor Carl Icahn, supermodel Adriana Lima, and Spanish singer Julio Iglesias."

    Rich and successful...


    "The island's 42 residents are protected by a private 13-person police force that patrols the perimeter from the water and by land."

    4:1 resident:police ratio. Heavily armed exclusivity is a trait of the very rich and powerful, don't be fooled by what these residents say in public about social justice.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour
     
    You have this 180° backwards. Or, you are looking at 40-50 years ago. I am not sure which.

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual. Tapping "centuries of human intellectual endeavour" means valuing the contribution of white male patriarchs. In the U.S. many of them owned slaves.

    This bit of open racism is promoted by today's progressives.

    https://youtu.be/SAzGObgdz1I

    The country where something was banned in half of it was built by the banned thing? Umm... No. And, the part of the country that did the banned thing was the less developed part. Industrial progress occurred else where. The message is dishonest, anti-intellectual, and illogical.

    those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea
     
    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization. Topics eschewed by modern day progressives. In the historical sense of the word, the traditionalists are the 'liberals' with well rounded education & knowledge.

    By defention every political platform must be straightforward and have wide appeal. MAGA is a necessary & unifying symbol of dissent, not the intellectual core.


    most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider. The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    Go back 50 years -- Companies used to run anti discrimination efforts to improve productivity. They also helped avoid legal actions.

    Today -- Being openly normal now generates HR events. I am in a Red State, yet because I work for a largish company, I have to self censor to retain my job. There is a punch card of anti-intellectual progressive things that must be marked complete as part of each annual performance review. Fortunately, some of the tasks can be cleverly subverted.

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there.
     
    The problem is that the today's progressives are actively anti-quality. It is Aesop’s ‘The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs’ Fable.

     
    https://politicalarenadotorg.files.wordpress.com/2022/09/dilbert-esg-sept-15-22.gif
     

    How does an ESG score help anyone? This is not a small number of extremists. A broad segment of woke society wants to make this the law of the land. What I and others do is extremely hard. Progressives do not want to learn from that example.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    What you seem to be saying is that, if antiracism meant getting demoted, or fired and blacklisted, or socially-stigmatized, or jailed, if there had been a decades long propaganda campaign against it, and if the schools taught against it from a young age, you think that the elites and middle-class strivers would have the same alignments.

    Doesn't seem entirely plausible.
    , @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    This must be why Leninism was so influential.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @S
    @Triteleia Laxa


    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    Limiting one's self to only two ultimately stupid choices, one of these being 'stupider', the other being merely 'stupid', doesn't sound particularly smart.

    Happily, there are many other ways to go about doing what needs to be done, of which, while they may not be perfect, at least they are not stupid. :-)
  189. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    This type of cope may accurately be described as Satanic.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not intentionally, but I see your point.

    I think war is satanic and the claimed motivations on all sides never quite seem adequate to explain what is going on.

  190. @Gerard1234
    @War Observer


    Such as? Konashenkov and his 44 destroyed HIMARS systems? Or the desrtruction of 4 Bradley IFVs before they had even arrived in the European continent never mind Ukraine? [See tweets after the MORE tag].
     
    LMAO - Konashenkov would have said that Russian air-defence intercepted 44 missiles fired from HIMARS you idiot, not that they destroyed 44 launch systems ( although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already).

    If you are going to propogate this mindless BS, surely you should at least check what he said - and what is entirely plausible/probable ( that they have intercepted 44 missiles from HIMARS, plus many more since then)

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter - lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.


    As for the Bradley IFV's - I'm sure they were even displayed at the military EXPO in Moscow region.


    By the way, what are your thoughts on Putin’s drab speech yesterday?
     
    His "drab" speech was mainly about social payments and new tax initiatives (as is usual for the address) - of course it should be "drab" to westerners watching you ridiculous cretin. He can't exactly discuss SMO strategy and tactics in public
    As for the "failed Sarmat test" - only plankton like you could swallow typical American BS like that.

    Accept facts - Konashenkov NEVER lies . Ukronazi freaks can't do anything but lie, and lie big you retard.

    My "favourite", without being disrespectful to all the other extreme BS, is ukronazi freaks giving awards posthumously to Border Guard and Navy at Snake Island .....for one of them "heroically" saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself.........even though he didn't say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance........even though they surrendered immediately!!!! As in typical ukronazi loser idiocy.....once it was established that all 80 of them were alive and surrendered immediately but were then released early in a prisoner swap.......they gave them the Hero of Ukraine medals anyway!!!!!!!!

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

    Winter is still ongoing… The mobilized at Makiivka vocational school 19 certainly found out the usefulness of HIMARS at 1 minute past New Years…

    for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!!

    How is the Cruiser Moskva doing these days?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @War Observer


    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.
     
    WTF? Are you a bacha boy for Oshkosh executives? That seem's the only logical explanation of your ridiculous comments and agenda.
  191. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Maybe this war is all about reviving the big family in Russia?

    The men come home from fighting the good fight and have 6 kids each. Have 2 more for your fallen comrades!

    The meme: Replace your self-centered PTSD with the sound of 8 screaming (and laughing) kids....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    nah, shove the darkies into the combat zone. Tartars, Slants etc. Conserve the white boys for technical fields like repair and electronic warfare.

  192. @LatW
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    However, if the youth in Estonia are a rare exception then congrats. Your nation has a fighting chance of staying homogenous and true to roots despite choosing the EU/NATO path.
     
    I was talking about the elites, not the "youth" - I thought you were talking about the elites in your original post? And, btw, some of the elites are quite young. My point was that your example is not a good one because the Baltic States are a bit different than the rest of the EU in this regard in that a sizable portion of the elites (not all, but a sizable portion) are not connected to what you call the "high status ideology". Yes, there is such a type who are trying to do that (similar to how back in the day, some tried to larp as "Germans", we called them "willow Germans" - willow being a light flexible tree that bends easily or sways easily, they are looked down on, similarly, we now have "willow Anglos" or "willow Euros" - people who kiss up to the leading ideology but they are not the majority). One can be respectable and successful without adhering to this ideology.

    I'm not saying this won't change at some point. But it is not the case now. It is different from the West that way. Again, for now.

    Also, looking further into the future, we do not know what will be the status of this ideology. What will be the status of the West. It doesn't mean that other ideologies (those in the East) will become more appealing, everyone sees the duplicity of them (authoritarian at home but parking your money in the West or other safe places), besides the essence of those ideologies is not that appealing to begin with.


    It would mean you are taking the package deal but unwilling to acknowledge the trade off.
     
    The package deal is not "black and white". The package deal is a parliamentary set up with everyone represented at the Euro Parliament and a pluralistic system. The package deal also respects local culture - this is emphasized in how languages are respected in the EU. You have a very one sided view of the EU. Remember also, if things get really bad - too compromising - there is a way out, it is not like the Soviet Union that way.

    You get the joy now of inflicting fatalities against the Russian military
     
    There is no "joy" in what is happening. This is a humanitarian catastrophe and a deep wound on the body of everyone who is post-USSR, that will not heal (or will take forever to heal). The scale of this was not expected. There is no "joy", just dislike, worry and some minor fear.

    But, yes, that they moved the troops from Pskov to Ukraine might be a bit of a relief.

    Everyone is thinking, comprehensively, what can be done to make the future safer. There is no joy, the price for the Ukrainians is excruciatingly high. And it's not even over.


    but will have to deal with being an old man walking through city streets that don’t speak to you anymore
     
    This will be neither the fault of Russia nor the West. This will be our own fault.

    Once again, thank you for your "kind hearted" concern, it is noted. Not that you guys don't have similar problems and not that you have some "magical pill" to solve these problems.

    Replies: @china-russia-all-the-way, @Wokechoke

  193. @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

    On imitating the rich and successful.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/miamis-billionaire-bunker-is-a-high-security-island-that-has-a-13-person-police-force-for-its-42-residents-a-real-estate-agent-got-me-past-the-guardhouse-heres-what-the-exclusive-community-looks-like/articleshow/69270651.cms

    “It’s been called the “Billionaire Bunker” and one of the “wealthiest, private, most secure communities in Miami Beach and the world.” Indian Creek is a village of just 42 people on a tiny private island in Miami’s Biscayne Bay. Its “Billionaire Bunker” nickname stems from its wildly wealthy and high-profile residents, including billionaire investor Carl Icahn, supermodel Adriana Lima, and Spanish singer Julio Iglesias.”

    Rich and successful…

    “The island’s 42 residents are protected by a private 13-person police force that patrols the perimeter from the water and by land.”

    4:1 resident:police ratio. Heavily armed exclusivity is a trait of the very rich and powerful, don’t be fooled by what these residents say in public about social justice.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, allowing yourself to build a few follies here and there is the least you can do for yourself. Even if those follies need only be figurative. Go out and take risks!

  194. @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    ...common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause
     
    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan... thinking it would be a 'cake walk'? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1...

    tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries
     
    I am not sure what that means, it sounds clever but meaningless. In this war, the West expected Russia to collapse economically - they didn't, is that autism? Now they think that Kiev will win on the battlefield, also autism? Russia thought that most Ukies wouldn't fight - but they do fight and die, who is autistic in that equation?

    None of this changes anything: stronger force in its own region is facing a weaker adversary supported by the West, but the West won't come in and fight...

    If your point is that Europeans would fight in Ukraine, I disagree. Maybe the Poles, Romanians, Balts, and a few mercenaries like now. But the Germans, Dutch, French, Italians, etc... would not go to die in the Ukie fields. More would fight if their own borders were crossed - but how is that in the realm of possible? Who seriously believes that Russia wants a land war with EU? It would go nuclear...

    With your level of thinking I am not sure anyone can help you - you live in your stereotypes. And you talk about blind spots, precious :)...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Maybe up to 12,000 Polish KIA in Ukraine’s Commie drawn boundary.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikhail

    Sorry, make that perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA, with Russia's in the 12K to 20K range and the Kiev regime's now said to be somewhere between 100K-150K.

    Replies: @Beckow

  195. @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Maybe up to 12,000 Polish KIA in Ukraine's Commie drawn boundary.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Sorry, make that perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA, with Russia’s in the 12K to 20K range and the Kiev regime’s now said to be somewhere between 100K-150K.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail


    ...perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA
     
    Perhaps, but maybe not...how many are also Ukies who lived in Poland?

    Poland is divided: fanatical noisy Russo-phobes, normal people with attitudes similar to French-Italians...and, as always, a large middle group (50%+) waiting to see how it goes.

    How many are willing to actually fight in Ukraine? The proof of the pudding is in eating it...Like our resident fire-eaters - AP, Mr.Hacks, Shadow-guy - how many will risk their skin for the glorious causes of Ukraine-in-Nato, banning the Russian-language, and the ever favorite: conquer and dismantle the damn Russians once and for all!!!...

    My guess is a lot fewer than are posturing and yelling right now.

  196. @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour

    You have this 180° backwards. Or, you are looking at 40-50 years ago. I am not sure which.

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual. Tapping “centuries of human intellectual endeavour” means valuing the contribution of white male patriarchs. In the U.S. many of them owned slaves.

    This bit of open racism is promoted by today’s progressives.

    The country where something was banned in half of it was built by the banned thing? Umm… No. And, the part of the country that did the banned thing was the less developed part. Industrial progress occurred else where. The message is dishonest, anti-intellectual, and illogical.

    those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization. Topics eschewed by modern day progressives. In the historical sense of the word, the traditionalists are the ‘liberals’ with well rounded education & knowledge.

    By defention every political platform must be straightforward and have wide appeal. MAGA is a necessary & unifying symbol of dissent, not the intellectual core.

    most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider. The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Go back 50 years — Companies used to run anti discrimination efforts to improve productivity. They also helped avoid legal actions.

    Today — Being openly normal now generates HR events. I am in a Red State, yet because I work for a largish company, I have to self censor to retain my job. There is a punch card of anti-intellectual progressive things that must be marked complete as part of each annual performance review. Fortunately, some of the tasks can be cleverly subverted.

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality. It is Aesop’s ‘The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs’ Fable.

     

     

    How does an ESG score help anyone? This is not a small number of extremists. A broad segment of woke society wants to make this the law of the land. What I and others do is extremely hard. Progressives do not want to learn from that example.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.
     
    The university is full of people under the injunction of "be intellectual." Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to "intellectual."

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.
     
    Who? I don't see many who surpass wearing claims of such grounding as more than a skinsuit for their neuroses. And no more than handful seem to have an understanding of what they claim to.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.
     
    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history...

    It is more complex than what you present.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?
     
    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don't make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  197. @china-russia-all-the-way
    @LatW


    Not that you guys don’t have similar problems
     
    China implemented mass internment in at least 2017-18 to get Uighurs to join the common social fabric. Levels of immigration to China are very low. The large numbers of students from the rest of the developing world in China find it difficult to stay after graduation. The racial demographics of China are not changing.

    not that you have some “magical pill” to solve these problems.
     
    Orban and China have figured out a solution: Fudan University in Budapest. Orban knows he can't trust white people in education. Once Orban is retired from politics whatever institution he creates in education will rot because it will be the focal point of progressive efforts. Therefore a prestigious Chinese university needs to be built in every European country that wishes to preserve national sovereignty against malign progressive forces seeking to bring in mass immigration from outside of Europe. The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.

    And they would learn writing the 14 Words in Chinese…

    我們必須確保我們人民的生存和白人兒童的未來

    That’s an 88th level of trolling.

    Admirable…

    😏

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool


    白人

     

    白人 is still associated with 白人至上. And basically all Chinese can discern the R1a vs. R1b distinction.

    I would use the term 战斗民族 kämpfendes Volk. It's really an affectionate term and some Chinese people will find it hilarious that you know it.

    Russian girl fenhong explains why 战斗民族 have no fear of Covid--

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnGTeiRd4U

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

  198. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    On imitating the rich and successful.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/miamis-billionaire-bunker-is-a-high-security-island-that-has-a-13-person-police-force-for-its-42-residents-a-real-estate-agent-got-me-past-the-guardhouse-heres-what-the-exclusive-community-looks-like/articleshow/69270651.cms


    "It's been called the "Billionaire Bunker" and one of the "wealthiest, private, most secure communities in Miami Beach and the world." Indian Creek is a village of just 42 people on a tiny private island in Miami's Biscayne Bay. Its "Billionaire Bunker" nickname stems from its wildly wealthy and high-profile residents, including billionaire investor Carl Icahn, supermodel Adriana Lima, and Spanish singer Julio Iglesias."

    Rich and successful...


    "The island's 42 residents are protected by a private 13-person police force that patrols the perimeter from the water and by land."

    4:1 resident:police ratio. Heavily armed exclusivity is a trait of the very rich and powerful, don't be fooled by what these residents say in public about social justice.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, allowing yourself to build a few follies here and there is the least you can do for yourself. Even if those follies need only be figurative. Go out and take risks!

  199. @Mikhail
    Great discussion with a former CIA analyst and Johns Hopkins professor:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kV6gnPBh4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Another roundtable where the very astute “Independent Political analyst” Mike Averko was not invited to attend? You seem to be losing your luster, Mickey…

  200. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour
     
    You have this 180° backwards. Or, you are looking at 40-50 years ago. I am not sure which.

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual. Tapping "centuries of human intellectual endeavour" means valuing the contribution of white male patriarchs. In the U.S. many of them owned slaves.

    This bit of open racism is promoted by today's progressives.

    https://youtu.be/SAzGObgdz1I

    The country where something was banned in half of it was built by the banned thing? Umm... No. And, the part of the country that did the banned thing was the less developed part. Industrial progress occurred else where. The message is dishonest, anti-intellectual, and illogical.

    those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea
     
    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization. Topics eschewed by modern day progressives. In the historical sense of the word, the traditionalists are the 'liberals' with well rounded education & knowledge.

    By defention every political platform must be straightforward and have wide appeal. MAGA is a necessary & unifying symbol of dissent, not the intellectual core.


    most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider. The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    Go back 50 years -- Companies used to run anti discrimination efforts to improve productivity. They also helped avoid legal actions.

    Today -- Being openly normal now generates HR events. I am in a Red State, yet because I work for a largish company, I have to self censor to retain my job. There is a punch card of anti-intellectual progressive things that must be marked complete as part of each annual performance review. Fortunately, some of the tasks can be cleverly subverted.

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there.
     
    The problem is that the today's progressives are actively anti-quality. It is Aesop’s ‘The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs’ Fable.

     
    https://politicalarenadotorg.files.wordpress.com/2022/09/dilbert-esg-sept-15-22.gif
     

    How does an ESG score help anyone? This is not a small number of extremists. A broad segment of woke society wants to make this the law of the land. What I and others do is extremely hard. Progressives do not want to learn from that example.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.

    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.

    Who? I don’t see many who surpass wearing claims of such grounding as more than a skinsuit for their neuroses. And no more than handful seem to have an understanding of what they claim to.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.

    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…

    It is more complex than what you present.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?

    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…
     
    You are right, it is huuuge! But more like a huge pile of sh..t, piled high and deep...

    Your narcissism betrays insecurity. You are grasping for straws... footnotes! yeah, that's how we spot an intellectual...how about PowerPoint skills? Pile it on, it is amusing to watch the collapse...

    Not that there is much better stuff elsewhere, but after this pile of sh..t is gone something is bound to appear...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa



    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.
     
    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”
     
    We may actually be close to agreeing here.

    My definition of "intellectual" requires engaging in thoughtful consideration.

    Mindless footnoting and dogmatic, uncritical regurgitation is "anti-intellectual". No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.



    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.
     
    Who? I don’t see many
     
    I suspect you live in a prog area. Because of cancel culture they are all around you, but you do not see them. They have to be careful ... as CR put it ... To preserve pretense:

    ...necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    Because the Fake Stream Media is a dogmatic progressive institution, big breakthrough names like Newt Gingrich cannot be repeated today. So, if you are asking "Who is the new Gingrich?" You are posing an invalid question, based on a poor assumption.

    As a necessity, anti-prog dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.



    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.
     
    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history
     
    Your choice of "representing" was a subtle admission. Current day progs are rarely creating. They had the privilege of inheritance, and are squandering it. The future desired by progressives is one where human capital becomes depleted. And, they will rejoice that poorer people have smaller carbon footprints.

    Workers will also have less physical security and be in much more personal danger.

     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/03/22/51315843-0-image-a-27_1638569071100.jpg
     

    Look up how much worse crime has gotten in Chicago and Philadelphia. On top of that consider the rampant destruction in prog cities like Portland and Minneapolis.

    One cannot separate modern, grievance based progressivism from woke extremism. The first makes the second inevitable.



    How does an ESG score help anyone?
     
    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.
     
    Clearly, I was not talking about emotional state. The proposition is ESG as commercial regulation. (1)

    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recently released its 2023 Regulatory Agenda, which outlines another ambitious year of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) rulemaking under Chair Gensler. According to the agenda, the SEC plans to finalize 29 rules throughout the year and propose an additional 23 rules or amendments.
    ...
    While these rules will impact many aspects of the U.S.’s financial markets and its investors, three rules that are expected to be finalized will significantly change how firms interact with ESG issues. This includes finalization of rules that would require publicly traded companies to disclose various types of greenhouse gas emissions, restrict which funds can include ESG-related terms in the fund’s name, and require investment advisers and investment companies to provide greater transparency and disclosures about how ESG factors are considered in investment strategies.

     
    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form -- In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    I get to see some of the energy bills where we are paying 300%+ more for "green" electricity. And, there are government subsidies on top of that. The failed concepts of industrial wind & solar increase the cost of energy and thus diminish the standard of living in a material sense.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.acaglobal.com/insights/sec-plans-finalize-esg-related-rules-2023

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  201. @Mikhail
    @Mikhail

    Sorry, make that perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA, with Russia's in the 12K to 20K range and the Kiev regime's now said to be somewhere between 100K-150K.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …perhaps up to 2,500 Polish KIA

    Perhaps, but maybe not…how many are also Ukies who lived in Poland?

    Poland is divided: fanatical noisy Russo-phobes, normal people with attitudes similar to French-Italians…and, as always, a large middle group (50%+) waiting to see how it goes.

    How many are willing to actually fight in Ukraine? The proof of the pudding is in eating it…Like our resident fire-eaters – AP, Mr.Hacks, Shadow-guy – how many will risk their skin for the glorious causes of Ukraine-in-Nato, banning the Russian-language, and the ever favorite: conquer and dismantle the damn Russians once and for all!!!

    My guess is a lot fewer than are posturing and yelling right now.

  202. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.
     
    The university is full of people under the injunction of "be intellectual." Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to "intellectual."

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.
     
    Who? I don't see many who surpass wearing claims of such grounding as more than a skinsuit for their neuroses. And no more than handful seem to have an understanding of what they claim to.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.
     
    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history...

    It is more complex than what you present.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?
     
    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don't make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…

    You are right, it is huuuge! But more like a huge pile of sh..t, piled high and deep…

    Your narcissism betrays insecurity. You are grasping for straws… footnotes! yeah, that’s how we spot an intellectual…how about PowerPoint skills? Pile it on, it is amusing to watch the collapse…

    Not that there is much better stuff elsewhere, but after this pile of sh..t is gone something is bound to appear…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Yes, the narcissist is the person who recognises things bigger than them and the person who dismisses everything as sh*t, so as not to have to do this, obviously is very balanced and reasonable.

    Please learn to distinguish between you wanting something to "collapse" and it actually being about to.

    Replies: @Beckow

  203. @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I don’t regard immigration controls as necessarily an autocratic measure
     
    Stricter ones than now would be considered "autocratic", but I agree that they should not be regarded as such.

    although honestly, in my ideal world, people would be allowed to go anywhere.
     
    Why, of course, they would.

    There were no passports or border control before the First World war, you know. It was a freer world.
     
    In some ways, it was definitely freer, but also less compact and "squeezed together" than now. We all know how much smaller the world got. Although I'm not fully sure there was no "border control". That's something I doubt.

    Still, though, my ideal society is heavily multi-cultural and multi-ethnic and multi-religious – kind of like those fascinating imperial cities in the dungeons and dragons books I used to read as a kid 🙂 I love variety and color and feel my world is expanded by the “other”, not threatened by it – but of course, it would have to be done with the encouragement of inter-group harmony and respect, the opposite of now.
     

    One can experience plenty of such in today's world in places such as London, what with all their multi-ethnic food courts, etc. And there are many such mixed, colorful places in the world. I wouldn't say there is a lack of such, if one wants to indulge.

    I had in mind specifically the alt-right that cheer on China and Russia, and generally seem like really odious people
     
    I agree, these people are complete hypocrites, I saw that on day one when I first encountered the alt-right. And I say this as someone who likes Russia and would do well there (under certain circumstances).

    As for your vision, you want to sort of fine tune the precise level of autocracy, and that’s not terrible, but I wonder if that’s really possible as anything more than a temporary measure
     

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary "art" projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time.

    Spiritually and morally, I think there is an imperative to move towards ever greater equality and justice and non-coercion and freedom, but of course judiciously and with wisdom.
     
    Freedom is very important and freedom is worth fighting for. There would be freedom under my model, but also order and responsibility. And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I agree, I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.

    While I think an extreme alt-right state that is hostile to and humiliates and even engages in violence against foreigners should become an international pariah and be subject to pressure, a merely conservative, traditional state that wants to largely retain it’s demographics and culture, but is also capable of welcoming foreigners to a limited extent and doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles and points of view is something that it is perfectly possible to coexist with.

    In short, I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal, but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah 🙂 (and would)

    In non extreme cases, any social change that I favor should be encouraged in non-coercice ways – even seductive ways, if you understand what I mean (not in a sinister way lol, but an honest, open way). If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    And at the end of the day, not every society needs to come down precisely on the same social arrangements on different metrics, and there ought to be room for genuinely different visions of the good life provided one avoids obvious large scale injustice, cruelty, and evil.

    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time

    .

    I don’t seriously object to any of this, even if they aren’t my preferred social arrangements exactly (although I am 100% with you on banning socially predatory finance!), and as long as they don’t spill over eventually into outright repression against gays or cruelty to foreigners (and there is no reason they need to).

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    But this is just a general philosophical remark that you are free to reject or take to heart, and at the end of the day, it’s your society and within rather broad moral latitudes you should have the freedom to make your own choices.

    And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.

    I probably agree with this in it’s entirety 🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.
     
    These days it's not so much about "forcing" (except in the case of countries such as Russia), but more about meddling - latching on to a small home grown progressive minority in an Eastern European country and artificially bolstering it.

    I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal
     
    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around). But even my ideal is considered "far right" by some of today's leading ideologues. And, of course, local liberals who take for granted what was built by the normal majority.

    but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah

     

    It's actually a rather diverse group here. I'm a bit surprised how few real WNs there are on these boards. This group is so diverse that they couldn't hold a coherent ideology and maintain a country. They are mostly contrarians (which is fun and unusual, but how would they run a country? Once they established that desired country of theirs, they would turn contrarian towards it again).

    But if you're talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah. After all, there are states with rather questionable politics that have not been made pariahs by the West (certain oil states in the Middle East, etc). So what is allowed to an oil country would not be allowed to a white country (assuming that country is not in NATO)?


    doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles
     
    Alternative lifestyles always existed, even in the 1930s. Forms of women's lib existed back then as well.
    It just didn't take extreme forms. But there is a problem here with consistency, of course, things such as if hetero society does not behave well, then it doesn't really make sense to "oppress" gays. Then it becomes a race to the bottom.

    If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.
     
    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Certain things can be measured empirically - for example, what kind of a lifestyle reduces blood pressure or which ingredients in food production should be avoided. But when it comes to human happiness, it becomes subjective. Also, something that may be making one happy at one point, may not make them happy forever, etc. There are different stages in life where one's needs will be different. The hedonistic approach is a bit slippery.

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.
     
    If you're looking for an Ideal, then some aspects of archeofuturism may provide such. In my ideal state, the ideological basis would be drawn from the ancestral wisdom (the ethical guidelines contained in a body of poetry called daina). There is also value in the Greco-Roman heritage, obviously. Or even some kind of mythopoetic exercise.

    You see, "Ideal" is a tricky word - we can view it as something one strives for, something that is more defined as a permanent search, an unending journey, where we are in a flux and thriving for something that is not constant, that is not here and that is not fully defined. Some abstract ideal of humanity. But an "Ideal" can also be something very concrete, something from the past, that which once was but is in essence timeless, that can be exalted and idealized.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

     

    I hope you are talking about the metaphysical Platonic Ideal here, because the political and even to some extent the ethical Platonic Ideal is deeply totalitarian.


    Btw, I wanted to add something to our previous exchange regarding Zelensky. I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a "nobody" in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn't want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Mr. Hack

  204. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight.

    It is not about optics in the West.

    I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them. Once this brutal task is complete, they will reach an agreement if Kiev has not already capitulated.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AP

    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight… I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them

    Here we have meticulous and bloodthirsty R1b culture in full display. Beasts like QCIC see a need for maximum Slavic deaths.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    I reject your insult. I comment here in my own tiny effort to stop the war by discussing issues which people would rather ignore.

    Sadly, the conflict has a life of its own. My post is offering a notion of what may be required for the beast (the war) to die a natural death.

    I think people who share your views have created this travesty.

    Great job, morons.

  205. @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    ...common for tough guy tyrant type countries to think democracies are soft and weak and won’t die for their cause
     
    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan... thinking it would be a 'cake walk'? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1...

    tough guy mentality that similarly creates a kind of autism when it comes to their “weak” adversaries
     
    I am not sure what that means, it sounds clever but meaningless. In this war, the West expected Russia to collapse economically - they didn't, is that autism? Now they think that Kiev will win on the battlefield, also autism? Russia thought that most Ukies wouldn't fight - but they do fight and die, who is autistic in that equation?

    None of this changes anything: stronger force in its own region is facing a weaker adversary supported by the West, but the West won't come in and fight...

    If your point is that Europeans would fight in Ukraine, I disagree. Maybe the Poles, Romanians, Balts, and a few mercenaries like now. But the Germans, Dutch, French, Italians, etc... would not go to die in the Ukie fields. More would fight if their own borders were crossed - but how is that in the realm of possible? Who seriously believes that Russia wants a land war with EU? It would go nuclear...

    With your level of thinking I am not sure anyone can help you - you live in your stereotypes. And you talk about blind spots, precious :)...

    Replies: @Mikhail, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…

    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it’s materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the “decadence” of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.
     
    Now, that’s likely the most intelligent statement on this thread.
    , @Sean
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice
     
    Just as Italians are far from your average Europeans, Russian react in their own peculiar ways. Their Army are very unlikely to be broken (and that would be super dangerous thing for the Western opponents to enable Ukraine achieve anyway). Indeed Reuters reported just the other day that Ukraine has been told the West does not have an inexhaustible supply of arms. There have been some inept handling of Russia fomations, but at this point there is no massed infantry attacks by conscripts. In fact the main fighting is by Wagner Group. They are using completely novel small assault groups of infantry made up from convict volunteers. Omniscient US surveillance and intel cannot assist Ukrqaine against the creeping attack of Wagner, but mean that more traditional tank drive tactics such as were used last week in an attempt to take Vuhledar by a crack regiment of the regular Russian army result in disastrous losses. I see Wgner as a modern use of light infantry to break the deadlock a la WW1 Stormtroopers, but at a snails pace.

    Is the sacrificing by the West an open ended commitment or is there some kind of timetable to an envisioned termination by Russia? None is proposed as far as I know and so the ball is in the Kremlin's court; I cannot for the life of me see why Putin would draw the line at a SMO, and cease hostilities when Russia is three times the size of Ukraine, has a nuclear backstop for any great advances by Ukraine great enough to break the Russian army and rout it. has not yet officially declared war on Ukraine, and retains an option for a substantial increase in infantry from a full call out of reserves (official state of war).

    Since the Kremlin called out a relatively moderate portion of its reservists and doubled the troops available to be used in the Special Military Operation, Ukraine has ceased to make serious advances, and Western commentary has been reduced to repeating that Putin has well well short of his original objectives and timetable at huge cost. . I think there has to be a recognition that Russia can't be outmatched in Ukraine and so the West cannot force a decision, so the war is going to continue without an end in sight

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    , @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    ...the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.
     
    Ok, we agree. But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about 'tyrants' underestimating the enemy to start wars. The recent history has been the opposite. The cliche that you repeated is a favorite unthinking nonsense by many in the West - as if they literally didn't see what has happened right in front of their eyes.

    you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory...
     
    Not at all. I simply think that the willingness is not that important by itself - the war will be decided by the real stuff: arms, soldiers, people putting their lives at extreme risk, economy, logistics... The Western willingness is not enough - they clearly will not send a large number of soldiers to risk their lives in the Ukie mud. Russians may not either at some point, but the odds are a lot higher.

    I mostly see rhetoric from the West - banging drums, chest-beating, over-the-top rhetoric. That betrays weakness, fear that if Russia goes fully militaristic they won't be able to stop it...like scared monkeys they jump, shout and throw feces... if there is an actual need to send soldiers, who will do it? Ukies are not enough in the long run. Or it can be solved with nukes and that is not a good place to be.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  206. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.
     
    The university is full of people under the injunction of "be intellectual." Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to "intellectual."

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.
     
    Who? I don't see many who surpass wearing claims of such grounding as more than a skinsuit for their neuroses. And no more than handful seem to have an understanding of what they claim to.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.
     
    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history...

    It is more complex than what you present.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?
     
    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don't make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.

    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”

    We may actually be close to agreeing here.

    My definition of “intellectual” requires engaging in thoughtful consideration.

    Mindless footnoting and dogmatic, uncritical regurgitation is “anti-intellectual”. No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.

    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.

    Who? I don’t see many

    I suspect you live in a prog area. Because of cancel culture they are all around you, but you do not see them. They have to be careful … as CR put it … To preserve pretense:

    …necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    Because the Fake Stream Media is a dogmatic progressive institution, big breakthrough names like Newt Gingrich cannot be repeated today. So, if you are asking “Who is the new Gingrich?” You are posing an invalid question, based on a poor assumption.

    As a necessity, anti-prog dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.

    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history

    Your choice of “representing” was a subtle admission. Current day progs are rarely creating. They had the privilege of inheritance, and are squandering it. The future desired by progressives is one where human capital becomes depleted. And, they will rejoice that poorer people have smaller carbon footprints.

    Workers will also have less physical security and be in much more personal danger.

      

    Look up how much worse crime has gotten in Chicago and Philadelphia. On top of that consider the rampant destruction in prog cities like Portland and Minneapolis.

    One cannot separate modern, grievance based progressivism from woke extremism. The first makes the second inevitable.

    How does an ESG score help anyone?

    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.

    Clearly, I was not talking about emotional state. The proposition is ESG as commercial regulation. (1)

    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recently released its 2023 Regulatory Agenda, which outlines another ambitious year of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) rulemaking under Chair Gensler. According to the agenda, the SEC plans to finalize 29 rules throughout the year and propose an additional 23 rules or amendments.

    While these rules will impact many aspects of the U.S.’s financial markets and its investors, three rules that are expected to be finalized will significantly change how firms interact with ESG issues. This includes finalization of rules that would require publicly traded companies to disclose various types of greenhouse gas emissions, restrict which funds can include ESG-related terms in the fund’s name, and require investment advisers and investment companies to provide greater transparency and disclosures about how ESG factors are considered in investment strategies.

    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    I get to see some of the energy bills where we are paying 300%+ more for “green” electricity. And, there are government subsidies on top of that. The failed concepts of industrial wind & solar increase the cost of energy and thus diminish the standard of living in a material sense.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.acaglobal.com/insights/sec-plans-finalize-esg-related-rules-2023

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?
     
    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product, which is ok, as far as a general theme towards practical considerations goes, but luxury consumption is not a symptom of something awful. Instead, it usually the opposite. An imperfect sign of success, health and quality.

    No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.
     
    Ok, so we have differing definitions in this instance, but please don't get confused by your definitions and come to think that rambling incoherently without any knowledge or education is therefore superior, or any more of having a voice.

    Also, I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals by your definition. It doesn't seem that you've done this, but instead went off on one about progressives again, thereby demonstrating my point.

    Replies: @A123

  207. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history…
     
    You are right, it is huuuge! But more like a huge pile of sh..t, piled high and deep...

    Your narcissism betrays insecurity. You are grasping for straws... footnotes! yeah, that's how we spot an intellectual...how about PowerPoint skills? Pile it on, it is amusing to watch the collapse...

    Not that there is much better stuff elsewhere, but after this pile of sh..t is gone something is bound to appear...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, the narcissist is the person who recognises things bigger than them and the person who dismisses everything as sh*t, so as not to have to do this, obviously is very balanced and reasonable.

    Please learn to distinguish between you wanting something to “collapse” and it actually being about to.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We have a saying, the goose will scream when hit...... so do you, bigger better things, but you know the West has peaked. If you prefer, let's call it a gradual relative collapse...

    Regarding, what I want: peace, prosperity, good life, and no meddling in sovereign states by the know-it-all big guys. And maybe for the culture to be better at entertaining...

    You either don't acknowledge the recent run of the Western aggression - quite bloody by any standard - and the busy-body obsessive meddling in everything from 'gender' to Ukraine, or you like it. You seem to like it, so take the good with the bad.

    In Ukraine the collective West clearly overreached led by the emotional nutcases often referred to as 'neo-cons', now they are panicking. You look for any signs that Russia is 'collapsing' or that Ukies will beat them on the battlefield. It almost certainly won't happen - just think. Once it was clear that Russia moved, Kiev-West should had taken the offer of Minsk+...some face saving way to end it and maybe wait to fight another day (when Russia is weak). Your hurrah-patriotism will not get you a better deal.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  208. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    This type of cope may accurately be described as Satanic.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Not intentionally, but I see your point.

    I think war is satanic and the claimed motivations on all sides never quite seem adequate to explain what is going on.

  209. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa



    Current progressives are are actively anti-intellectual.
     
    The university is full of people under the injunction of “be intellectual.” Footnoting and sourcing is exhaustive. Most of them no longer have any sort of voice at all. It is entirely subordinate to “intellectual.”
     
    We may actually be close to agreeing here.

    My definition of "intellectual" requires engaging in thoughtful consideration.

    Mindless footnoting and dogmatic, uncritical regurgitation is "anti-intellectual". No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.



    Dissident movements in the U.S. are grounded in an actual understanding of U.S. history and western civilization.
     
    Who? I don’t see many
     
    I suspect you live in a prog area. Because of cancel culture they are all around you, but you do not see them. They have to be careful ... as CR put it ... To preserve pretense:

    ...necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.

    Because the Fake Stream Media is a dogmatic progressive institution, big breakthrough names like Newt Gingrich cannot be repeated today. So, if you are asking "Who is the new Gingrich?" You are posing an invalid question, based on a poor assumption.

    As a necessity, anti-prog dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.



    The problem is that the today’s progressives are actively anti-quality.
     
    Despite representing the largest conglomeration of quality human capital in history
     
    Your choice of "representing" was a subtle admission. Current day progs are rarely creating. They had the privilege of inheritance, and are squandering it. The future desired by progressives is one where human capital becomes depleted. And, they will rejoice that poorer people have smaller carbon footprints.

    Workers will also have less physical security and be in much more personal danger.

     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/03/22/51315843-0-image-a-27_1638569071100.jpg
     

    Look up how much worse crime has gotten in Chicago and Philadelphia. On top of that consider the rampant destruction in prog cities like Portland and Minneapolis.

    One cannot separate modern, grievance based progressivism from woke extremism. The first makes the second inevitable.



    How does an ESG score help anyone?
     
    Good question. I can answer that at length. Don’t make it rherotical next time. And really think about how it serves some people to truly believe in ESG and how it benefits some parts of them internally.
     
    Clearly, I was not talking about emotional state. The proposition is ESG as commercial regulation. (1)

    The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) recently released its 2023 Regulatory Agenda, which outlines another ambitious year of environmental, social, and governance (ESG) rulemaking under Chair Gensler. According to the agenda, the SEC plans to finalize 29 rules throughout the year and propose an additional 23 rules or amendments.
    ...
    While these rules will impact many aspects of the U.S.’s financial markets and its investors, three rules that are expected to be finalized will significantly change how firms interact with ESG issues. This includes finalization of rules that would require publicly traded companies to disclose various types of greenhouse gas emissions, restrict which funds can include ESG-related terms in the fund’s name, and require investment advisers and investment companies to provide greater transparency and disclosures about how ESG factors are considered in investment strategies.

     
    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form -- In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    I get to see some of the energy bills where we are paying 300%+ more for "green" electricity. And, there are government subsidies on top of that. The failed concepts of industrial wind & solar increase the cost of energy and thus diminish the standard of living in a material sense.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.acaglobal.com/insights/sec-plans-finalize-esg-related-rules-2023

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?

    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product, which is ok, as far as a general theme towards practical considerations goes, but luxury consumption is not a symptom of something awful. Instead, it usually the opposite. An imperfect sign of success, health and quality.

    No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.

    Ok, so we have differing definitions in this instance, but please don’t get confused by your definitions and come to think that rambling incoherently without any knowledge or education is therefore superior, or any more of having a voice.

    Also, I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals by your definition. It doesn’t seem that you’ve done this, but instead went off on one about progressives again, thereby demonstrating my point.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product,
     
    You seem to misunderstand what a luxury product is.

    Luxury must be *voluntary* spending, often on an intangible quality. Fair trade chocolate is a luxury. Despite identical nature of the physical product, the intangible "fairness" justifies the higher luxury price.

    When ESG is a mandate and all products must be ESG, then involuntary ESG is a necessary feature not a luxury.

    I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals
     
    Try rereading my answer. You obviously missed my point.

    dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The fact that there are no names for me to list is a highly desirable feature of broad based intellectualism throughout the populist movement.
    ____

    The fact that start up institutions such as University of Austin are necessary is a damning indictment of the status quo.

    https://www.uaustin.org/

    WE’RE BUILDING A UNIVERSITY DEDICATED TO THE FEARLESS PURSUIT OF TRUTH.
    https://youtu.be/MzoTYfAslsQ

     

    This is what intellectual life should be, but no longer is. The rescue plan for New College in Florida is another example.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  210. @AP
    @QCIC


    I think the Russians are fighting the war they need to fight... I think it is about decimation. If there are 500,000 dangerous Ukrainian fighting men including NeoNazi, hardcore nationalists, mercenaries and serious soldiers/fellow travelers then Russia expects to kill or maim at least 450,000 of them
     
    Here we have meticulous and bloodthirsty R1b culture in full display. Beasts like QCIC see a need for maximum Slavic deaths.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I reject your insult. I comment here in my own tiny effort to stop the war by discussing issues which people would rather ignore.

    Sadly, the conflict has a life of its own. My post is offering a notion of what may be required for the beast (the war) to die a natural death.

    I think people who share your views have created this travesty.

    Great job, morons.

  211. @Jazman
    @Gerard1234

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Philip Owen presenting drug-induced hallucinations as facts.

    Drug effects wear off. Mental defects do not. There is Russian saying “only the grave can straighten a hunchback”.

    • LOL: Gerard1234, Jazman
  212. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow


    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…
     
    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it's own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it's materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it's painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the "decadence" of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean, @Beckow

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Now, that’s likely the most intelligent statement on this thread.

  213. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Are the Angolans with Portugal residency European? Bolivian mestizos in Spain?
     
    Well, yes.

    Spanish law only requires one Spanish grandparent to be able to claim Spanish nationality. There are many millions who qualify all over Latin America and elsewhere, including the Philippines. Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century. This was an act of somewhat belated repentance for that injustice. My guess is that they must be trying to figure out how to determine if any North African or Arab is descended from the Moors that were also expelled from Spain during the Reconquista in order to be equanimous and offer them the same deal.

    As far as I can see, the rest of the Western European countries with an imperial past, and even some without it, are following similar policies. So you guys should clearly understand what the situation is. If Slovakia's aspirations when it joined the EU are fulfilled and it becomes as prosperous as Germany or Scandinavia, lots of exotic people are likely and totally entitled to migrate to your lands. Some of them will only be European citizens because your Western partners felt ashamed of their history in past centuries.

    But I'm not sure it's Westerners you should blame if that comes to pass. They're just going through their own issues but you always had the chance of electing leaders like Orban and form an alliance to defend EE values before Brussels manages to put order in the rebel Hungarian province. Pour encourager les autres.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century.

    Anybody take them up on it? This looks like the silliest PR move conceivable.

    Who holds the world record for ancient apologies? On April Fool’s Day the Greek parliament could apologize to the Turks for wiping out Troy.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Anybody take them up on it?
     
    I don't know. My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain. But I'm sure some must have taken up the offer. A Shengen passport is very convenient for many people. You can settle anywhere in the EU and Spain also has plenty of visa-free travel around the world and lots of bilateral treaties, especially with Latin America.

    My personal view is that Spain didn't gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline. But this gesture of grating foreigners citizenship rights based on events that happened half a millennium ago, thus making fellow EU partners be co-responsible for those events, shows how immigration issues are handled in the EU.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Beckow

  214. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I don't know what that means,

    but Tippy Hedren and Suzanne Pleshette looked great in the movie. Forget about the damn birds.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

    Forget about the damn birds.

    Thought I heard someone say once that Birds can be watched as an allegory. If so, that might make them hugely entertaining.

    When I was quite young, I used to enjoy the movie Gremlins 2. Rewatched it about a year or so ago, and found that it is pretty funny if you watch it from that angle. (Surely, unintended by the film-makers?)

  215. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    If you want to address the question I asked, consider it in this form — In America, how does ESG reduce the cost of whatever widgets are being produced?
     
    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product, which is ok, as far as a general theme towards practical considerations goes, but luxury consumption is not a symptom of something awful. Instead, it usually the opposite. An imperfect sign of success, health and quality.

    No longer having any sort of voice at all is the paragon of anti-intellectual outcomes.
     
    Ok, so we have differing definitions in this instance, but please don't get confused by your definitions and come to think that rambling incoherently without any knowledge or education is therefore superior, or any more of having a voice.

    Also, I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals by your definition. It doesn't seem that you've done this, but instead went off on one about progressives again, thereby demonstrating my point.

    Replies: @A123

    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product,

    You seem to misunderstand what a luxury product is.

    Luxury must be *voluntary* spending, often on an intangible quality. Fair trade chocolate is a luxury. Despite identical nature of the physical product, the intangible “fairness” justifies the higher luxury price.

    When ESG is a mandate and all products must be ESG, then involuntary ESG is a necessary feature not a luxury.

    I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals

    Try rereading my answer. You obviously missed my point.

    dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The fact that there are no names for me to list is a highly desirable feature of broad based intellectualism throughout the populist movement.
    ____

    The fact that start up institutions such as University of Austin are necessary is a damning indictment of the status quo.

    https://www.uaustin.org/

    WE’RE BUILDING A UNIVERSITY DEDICATED TO THE FEARLESS PURSUIT OF TRUTH.

    This is what intellectual life should be, but no longer is. The rescue plan for New College in Florida is another example.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I think Fair Trade is a bad example to make your point. Many people intrigued by Fair Trade notions think it goes beyond fairness as they are concerned that crimes and immoral acts are being perpetrated to create the product. In any given case it is difficult to know if this is true, but it should not be considered optional.

    I realize that Fair Trade and similar bandwagons may be rolled up with various other aspects (communism, etc.) which blur the facts.

    It is a challenge for free exchange, especially with fungible products.

    I know nothing about ESG.

    PS: Good chocolate is one of the key food groups, I'm not sure how anyone considers it a "luxury"...

    Replies: @A123

  216. @Philip Owen
    A rally in Saratov to support the war in Ukraine on Defenders of the Fatherland day.

    Clearly far fewer than the 10,000 claimed (in a conurbation of 1.3m) but people who don't assess the picture or just see it on tv will remember the 10,000. I've seen more for a market. The flag holders were clearly organized beforehand and with hangers on are a significant fraction of the crowd.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/02/22/saratovskiy-miting-v-podderjky-prezidenta-i-svo-sobral-10-tysyach-chelovek.html

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Wokechoke

    The consequences on middle size Russian cities for losing the war in Ukraine and certainly for the prosperity of Muscovites and Petersbergers would be a quick reduction in wealth and overall life expectancy (even excluding war dead).

    they have to know this.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    If “losing” the war involves Russia leaving Ukraine and a return to normalcy then the consequences for normal people would be positive.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  217. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Gerard1234

    but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Not sure it is really true (I think it would maybe just encourage foolish casualties), but a lot of people are saying that the warm weather is really good for Russians because it makes any advance impossible, until May or June, when they will have called up a lot of manpower.

  218. NATO has been siding for a while, but this tweet is just Wowzers:

    It reads, “This war will shape the continent. It will set rules and draw frontiers. Books will be written and studies done on the reality we face today. We are Harry Potter and William Wallace, the Na’vi and Han Solo. We’re escaping from Shawshank and blowing up the Death Star. We are fighting with the Harkonnens and challenging Thanos. Ukraine is hosting one of the great epics of this century.”

    A new term has been coined in response — Ukringe

    Everyone needs to check out the responses here (1).

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-criticised-tweet-comparing-ukraine-conflict-harry-potter

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @A123

    If NATO had written this, it would be one thing. But it's actually a quote from a text written by a real soldier in the battlefield. That changes things a little, the way I see it.
    Anyway, what the soldier (who is also a journalist)'s text reveals is just how steeped in Western popular culture Ukrainians are. For better or for worse.

  219. @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    The consequences on middle size Russian cities for losing the war in Ukraine and certainly for the prosperity of Muscovites and Petersbergers would be a quick reduction in wealth and overall life expectancy (even excluding war dead).

    they have to know this.

    Replies: @AP

    If “losing” the war involves Russia leaving Ukraine and a return to normalcy then the consequences for normal people would be positive.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @AP

    If Russia withdrew from Ukraine I imagine it would all be forgotten in a month, and normal economic ties resumed. It's incredible how few Western companies have left Russia even with the ongoing invasion and that they are still allowed a platform at the UN. They really have got off incredibly lightly.

    Westerners are not very vengeful contrarian to Russian claims. I find most British and Americans uncommitted, ideologically vague and more than a bit cowardly. Hence Russia is able to run rings around the West despite not having particularly intelligent leadership themselves.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  220. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow


    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…
     
    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it's own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it's materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it's painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the "decadence" of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean, @Beckow

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice

    Just as Italians are far from your average Europeans, Russian react in their own peculiar ways. Their Army are very unlikely to be broken (and that would be super dangerous thing for the Western opponents to enable Ukraine achieve anyway). Indeed Reuters reported just the other day that Ukraine has been told the West does not have an inexhaustible supply of arms. There have been some inept handling of Russia fomations, but at this point there is no massed infantry attacks by conscripts. In fact the main fighting is by Wagner Group. They are using completely novel small assault groups of infantry made up from convict volunteers. Omniscient US surveillance and intel cannot assist Ukrqaine against the creeping attack of Wagner, but mean that more traditional tank drive tactics such as were used last week in an attempt to take Vuhledar by a crack regiment of the regular Russian army result in disastrous losses. I see Wgner as a modern use of light infantry to break the deadlock a la WW1 Stormtroopers, but at a snails pace.

    Is the sacrificing by the West an open ended commitment or is there some kind of timetable to an envisioned termination by Russia? None is proposed as far as I know and so the ball is in the Kremlin’s court; I cannot for the life of me see why Putin would draw the line at a SMO, and cease hostilities when Russia is three times the size of Ukraine, has a nuclear backstop for any great advances by Ukraine great enough to break the Russian army and rout it. has not yet officially declared war on Ukraine, and retains an option for a substantial increase in infantry from a full call out of reserves (official state of war).

    Since the Kremlin called out a relatively moderate portion of its reservists and doubled the troops available to be used in the Special Military Operation, Ukraine has ceased to make serious advances, and Western commentary has been reduced to repeating that Putin has well well short of his original objectives and timetable at huge cost. . I think there has to be a recognition that Russia can’t be outmatched in Ukraine and so the West cannot force a decision, so the war is going to continue without an end in sight

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Sean

    I suspect it's an open ended commitment with no end in sight, but that's just my sense of things.

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out - end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Protracted open ended conflicts are quite common across the world, with lulls and flare ups etc. Israel is in one such now and neither party shows any signs of flagging energy. This is probably the historical norm. Decisive, clear cut outcomes, seem to be an expectation created by the modern West, and to be derived from the end of history doctrine and the idea that the world is converging on the same political and historical systems - history ends with a bang, not a whimper - but are probably an historical anomaly.

    One almost gets the sense mankind likes fighting for it's own sake, even as it eventually gets bored with power and empire.

    As in my quote from Plotinus, the silliness of war shows what children's games are the "serious" affairs of men...

    I'm sure the West can force a humiliating defeat on Russia, but as you say, that would be dangerous and pointless. Humiliating an opponent is always bad policy unless you also make sure you crush him so completely he cannot rise again. Otherwise, they just come back with a vicious sense of grievance and a burning resentment, and the cycle of violence continues.

    War is for the most part psychological - they are largely fought for reasons of pride and self respect. Egypt could only make peace with Israel after it acquitted itself creditably in the 73 war. Hezbollah was only able to stop attacking Israel regularly after it likewise acquitted itself creditably in the 06 war.

    Russia right now seems to have a burning sense of grievance and injured pride - how to repair that? What kind of a victory would mollify it's pride without actually being a victory (like 73 and 06)?

    I don't pretend to know. Perhaps just being able to fight the West for a few years without being utterly defeated or collapsing will be good enough.

    Who can predict the future anyways...

    Replies: @Sean

  221. @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    What you seem to be saying is that, if antiracism meant getting demoted, or fired and blacklisted, or socially-stigmatized, or jailed, if there had been a decades long propaganda campaign against it, and if the schools taught against it from a young age, you think that the elites and middle-class strivers would have the same alignments.

    Doesn’t seem entirely plausible.

  222. @Sean
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it’s painful and requires sacrifice
     
    Just as Italians are far from your average Europeans, Russian react in their own peculiar ways. Their Army are very unlikely to be broken (and that would be super dangerous thing for the Western opponents to enable Ukraine achieve anyway). Indeed Reuters reported just the other day that Ukraine has been told the West does not have an inexhaustible supply of arms. There have been some inept handling of Russia fomations, but at this point there is no massed infantry attacks by conscripts. In fact the main fighting is by Wagner Group. They are using completely novel small assault groups of infantry made up from convict volunteers. Omniscient US surveillance and intel cannot assist Ukrqaine against the creeping attack of Wagner, but mean that more traditional tank drive tactics such as were used last week in an attempt to take Vuhledar by a crack regiment of the regular Russian army result in disastrous losses. I see Wgner as a modern use of light infantry to break the deadlock a la WW1 Stormtroopers, but at a snails pace.

    Is the sacrificing by the West an open ended commitment or is there some kind of timetable to an envisioned termination by Russia? None is proposed as far as I know and so the ball is in the Kremlin's court; I cannot for the life of me see why Putin would draw the line at a SMO, and cease hostilities when Russia is three times the size of Ukraine, has a nuclear backstop for any great advances by Ukraine great enough to break the Russian army and rout it. has not yet officially declared war on Ukraine, and retains an option for a substantial increase in infantry from a full call out of reserves (official state of war).

    Since the Kremlin called out a relatively moderate portion of its reservists and doubled the troops available to be used in the Special Military Operation, Ukraine has ceased to make serious advances, and Western commentary has been reduced to repeating that Putin has well well short of his original objectives and timetable at huge cost. . I think there has to be a recognition that Russia can't be outmatched in Ukraine and so the West cannot force a decision, so the war is going to continue without an end in sight

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I suspect it’s an open ended commitment with no end in sight, but that’s just my sense of things.

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Protracted open ended conflicts are quite common across the world, with lulls and flare ups etc. Israel is in one such now and neither party shows any signs of flagging energy. This is probably the historical norm. Decisive, clear cut outcomes, seem to be an expectation created by the modern West, and to be derived from the end of history doctrine and the idea that the world is converging on the same political and historical systems – history ends with a bang, not a whimper – but are probably an historical anomaly.

    One almost gets the sense mankind likes fighting for it’s own sake, even as it eventually gets bored with power and empire.

    As in my quote from Plotinus, the silliness of war shows what children’s games are the “serious” affairs of men…

    I’m sure the West can force a humiliating defeat on Russia, but as you say, that would be dangerous and pointless. Humiliating an opponent is always bad policy unless you also make sure you crush him so completely he cannot rise again. Otherwise, they just come back with a vicious sense of grievance and a burning resentment, and the cycle of violence continues.

    War is for the most part psychological – they are largely fought for reasons of pride and self respect. Egypt could only make peace with Israel after it acquitted itself creditably in the 73 war. Hezbollah was only able to stop attacking Israel regularly after it likewise acquitted itself creditably in the 06 war.

    Russia right now seems to have a burning sense of grievance and injured pride – how to repair that? What kind of a victory would mollify it’s pride without actually being a victory (like 73 and 06)?

    I don’t pretend to know. Perhaps just being able to fight the West for a few years without being utterly defeated or collapsing will be good enough.

    Who can predict the future anyways…

    • Replies: @Sean
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.
     
    Thats what America is hoping for : an attenuated Russia to be easily stalemated by lower than current levels of Western arms and a then-demoralised Putin to order a withdrawal from Donbass. But Putin's mother barely survived WW2 in Leningrad (ihis returning father is said to found her barely living atop a cart of corpses), Putin never met his brother who died in a orphanage of diphtheria during the war

    With a personal history like that, Putin is steeped in the concept of sacrifice for final victory, and in a particularly sticky patch would surely draw on an untapped plenitude of Russia's materiel and human resources to fight a conventional war if the current level of mobilisation let to a petering out of the Russian effort. I don't accept the premise that Russia cannot amp up its conventional effort from Special Military Operation effort very considerably by moving to a decreed state of war. That Putin has not done so suggests he thinks he is on track for victory at the current level, which is not provoking the US . Convincing him he is losing will be a challenge, and even them why should he admit defeat when that is likely to make his own continued leadership shaky. Putin's main characteristic is, according to Stuermer's book on him, is an aversion to acting impulsively and so he is not likely to overdramatise any difficulties. At present Russia is prolly doing better than we know from Western orientated media. The Ukrainians are firing more rounds a day through their Western howitzers than the Western suppliers knew those weapons could fire (they are designed for) and that is from a Ukrainian gunner speaking on CNN. Wagner groups new craping infiltration tactics under massive area bombardments do not seems very vulnerable to Western technicaly advanced precision and deep strike weapons in the way that armoured maneuver warfare has proved to be. I think Russia is likely to take all Donbass eventually.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  223. @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    This must be why Leninism was so influential.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism, which was a genuinely bold and new way of looking at the world, and an interesting potential solution to the eternal misery of the poor, newly made visible by the industrial revolution.

    Dickens is good on the misery of the industrial revolution, but most people miss how delighted factory workers were to escape their previous even worse miseries.

    And Leninism died pretty quickly, even though it was the only serious alternative outside of the liberal paradigm. Nazism did too. So has Islamism. And whatever you want to label what China is cooking up is on limited time too. The absurdity of the CCP is there for anyone to look at, if they'd merely try.

    Also, ideas can be highly intelligent but wrong, and may need a couple of decades to end up getting wisely rejected. The Soviet Union didn't survive the generation that built it. The very next generation closed it down as soon as they worked out how. With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AnonfromTN

  224. Posted this in links earlier, but just a lengthy interview with someone deeply embedded in the American foreign policy establishment, notable in that she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it. (German_Reader should be pleased)
    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it, though perhaps this decision to go-ahead of some senior officials was indeed ‘cordoned off’.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    • Replies: @War Observer
    @Yevardian


    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.
     
    Well put. In my opinion it is unrealistic to expect Ukrainians not to fight back, but what exactly are Russians dying for? A multipolar world order i.e. a world where some Chinese car brand displaces Lada in the Russian automobile market? A world where Russia sells hydrocarbons to the Global South for rock-bottom prices?

    This image will always be emblematic of this war, fields of dead Russians outside of Bakhmut.



    https://i.ibb.co/kHjQd7N/Bakhmut-Massacre-3.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it
     

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it
     
    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it. The waters where all explosions happened were and are controlled by NATO (i.e., the NATO godfather, the US). There were NATO naval maneuvers in those areas a few months before the blasts. The investigation is conducted by NATO members, Russians are not even allowed to participate. Many months passed since the event and the “investigation” is getting exactly nowhere. Looks to me like an investigation of the break-in into chicken coop by the fox who broke into it. Another telltale sign: Western MSM (directed by we know who) work hard to bury the issue. So, both classical “cui bono” and the way the “investigation” and media coverage of that terrorist act are going point to the same suspects. And those suspects are neither Ukrainians nor Russians.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @A123
    @Yevardian


    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it,
     
    Given the dementia and leakiness of Not-The-President Biden's administration, I cannot fathom anyone being stupid enough to seek a green light from the U.S. Anything requiring operational security has to exclude the DC Dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇
  225. @Yevardian
    Posted this in links earlier, but just a lengthy interview with someone deeply embedded in the American foreign policy establishment, notable in that she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it. (German_Reader should be pleased)
    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it, though perhaps this decision to go-ahead of some senior officials was indeed 'cordoned off'.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    Replies: @War Observer, @AnonfromTN, @A123

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    Well put. In my opinion it is unrealistic to expect Ukrainians not to fight back, but what exactly are Russians dying for? A multipolar world order i.e. a world where some Chinese car brand displaces Lada in the Russian automobile market? A world where Russia sells hydrocarbons to the Global South for rock-bottom prices?

    This image will always be emblematic of this war, fields of dead Russians outside of Bakhmut.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Sean
    @War Observer

    Prigozhin posted on social networks the picture below of rows of corpses of dead Wagner troops

    https://static.mondo.rs/Picture/1239930/png/Vagner-Bahmut.jpg?ts=2023-02-22T14:33:34

    Replies: @War Observer

  226. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Sean

    I suspect it's an open ended commitment with no end in sight, but that's just my sense of things.

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out - end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Protracted open ended conflicts are quite common across the world, with lulls and flare ups etc. Israel is in one such now and neither party shows any signs of flagging energy. This is probably the historical norm. Decisive, clear cut outcomes, seem to be an expectation created by the modern West, and to be derived from the end of history doctrine and the idea that the world is converging on the same political and historical systems - history ends with a bang, not a whimper - but are probably an historical anomaly.

    One almost gets the sense mankind likes fighting for it's own sake, even as it eventually gets bored with power and empire.

    As in my quote from Plotinus, the silliness of war shows what children's games are the "serious" affairs of men...

    I'm sure the West can force a humiliating defeat on Russia, but as you say, that would be dangerous and pointless. Humiliating an opponent is always bad policy unless you also make sure you crush him so completely he cannot rise again. Otherwise, they just come back with a vicious sense of grievance and a burning resentment, and the cycle of violence continues.

    War is for the most part psychological - they are largely fought for reasons of pride and self respect. Egypt could only make peace with Israel after it acquitted itself creditably in the 73 war. Hezbollah was only able to stop attacking Israel regularly after it likewise acquitted itself creditably in the 06 war.

    Russia right now seems to have a burning sense of grievance and injured pride - how to repair that? What kind of a victory would mollify it's pride without actually being a victory (like 73 and 06)?

    I don't pretend to know. Perhaps just being able to fight the West for a few years without being utterly defeated or collapsing will be good enough.

    Who can predict the future anyways...

    Replies: @Sean

    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.

    Thats what America is hoping for : an attenuated Russia to be easily stalemated by lower than current levels of Western arms and a then-demoralised Putin to order a withdrawal from Donbass. But Putin’s mother barely survived WW2 in Leningrad (ihis returning father is said to found her barely living atop a cart of corpses), Putin never met his brother who died in a orphanage of diphtheria during the war

    With a personal history like that, Putin is steeped in the concept of sacrifice for final victory, and in a particularly sticky patch would surely draw on an untapped plenitude of Russia’s materiel and human resources to fight a conventional war if the current level of mobilisation let to a petering out of the Russian effort. I don’t accept the premise that Russia cannot amp up its conventional effort from Special Military Operation effort very considerably by moving to a decreed state of war. That Putin has not done so suggests he thinks he is on track for victory at the current level, which is not provoking the US . Convincing him he is losing will be a challenge, and even them why should he admit defeat when that is likely to make his own continued leadership shaky. Putin’s main characteristic is, according to Stuermer’s book on him, is an aversion to acting impulsively and so he is not likely to overdramatise any difficulties. At present Russia is prolly doing better than we know from Western orientated media. The Ukrainians are firing more rounds a day through their Western howitzers than the Western suppliers knew those weapons could fire (they are designed for) and that is from a Ukrainian gunner speaking on CNN. Wagner groups new craping infiltration tactics under massive area bombardments do not seems very vulnerable to Western technicaly advanced precision and deep strike weapons in the way that armoured maneuver warfare has proved to be. I think Russia is likely to take all Donbass eventually.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Sean

    Im not sure that these day by day extremely minute analyses amount to much, although I can see why some people enjoy them, like a competitive sport.

    In the larger picture it's been like a year, and nothing really dramatic has happened. I don't think much will change.

    Eventually, it will just stop, without much being gained by anyone, and just a sense of the futility of it all.

    Perhaps Plotinus had the wisest attitude to war.

    Replies: @Sean

  227. @Yevardian
    Posted this in links earlier, but just a lengthy interview with someone deeply embedded in the American foreign policy establishment, notable in that she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it. (German_Reader should be pleased)
    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it, though perhaps this decision to go-ahead of some senior officials was indeed 'cordoned off'.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    Replies: @War Observer, @AnonfromTN, @A123

    she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it

    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it. The waters where all explosions happened were and are controlled by NATO (i.e., the NATO godfather, the US). There were NATO naval maneuvers in those areas a few months before the blasts. The investigation is conducted by NATO members, Russians are not even allowed to participate. Many months passed since the event and the “investigation” is getting exactly nowhere. Looks to me like an investigation of the break-in into chicken coop by the fox who broke into it. Another telltale sign: Western MSM (directed by we know who) work hard to bury the issue. So, both classical “cui bono” and the way the “investigation” and media coverage of that terrorist act are going point to the same suspects. And those suspects are neither Ukrainians nor Russians.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it.
     
    Honestly I think so too.
    But when/if it's eventually conceded that the Russians detonating whatever leverage they had over Germany is too preposterous to believe, blaming the Ukrainians for it makes sense.
    After all, they're in no position to complain or deny it, whereas it could create a diplomatic scandal between Germany and Poland/Sweden if it was revealed they were involved (of course all European countries would be too cowardly to express anger or shift blame towards the US directly).

    @War Observer


    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.
     
    I think China's strategic interests remain strictly in their own backyard. And whereas there at least was a non-trivial segment of Europe interested in friendly relations with Russia, China's East/Southeast/ neighbors and India will hate and fear China whether the US is involved there or not.
  228. @War Observer
    @Yevardian


    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.
     
    Well put. In my opinion it is unrealistic to expect Ukrainians not to fight back, but what exactly are Russians dying for? A multipolar world order i.e. a world where some Chinese car brand displaces Lada in the Russian automobile market? A world where Russia sells hydrocarbons to the Global South for rock-bottom prices?

    This image will always be emblematic of this war, fields of dead Russians outside of Bakhmut.



    https://i.ibb.co/kHjQd7N/Bakhmut-Massacre-3.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    Prigozhin posted on social networks the picture below of rows of corpses of dead Wagner troops

    https://static.mondo.rs/Picture/1239930/png/Vagner-Bahmut.jpg?ts=2023-02-22T14:33:34

    • Replies: @War Observer
    @Sean

    Yes, I've seen this. I linked it back in comment 61.. And one has to remember this is just one day's worth of dead, in one sector of the front and the bodies of only those that were managed to be extracted from the killing zone.

    The Russians are dying for Chinese interests at the end of the day.

    In other news:


    "China adheres to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. China does not recognize the DPR, LPR, etc." - Chinese Deputy Representative to the UN.
     
    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don't subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against "American hegemony" as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    Replies: @Sean

  229. @Sean
    @War Observer

    Prigozhin posted on social networks the picture below of rows of corpses of dead Wagner troops

    https://static.mondo.rs/Picture/1239930/png/Vagner-Bahmut.jpg?ts=2023-02-22T14:33:34

    Replies: @War Observer

    Yes, I’ve seen this. I linked it back in comment 61.. And one has to remember this is just one day’s worth of dead, in one sector of the front and the bodies of only those that were managed to be extracted from the killing zone.

    The Russians are dying for Chinese interests at the end of the day.

    In other news:

    “China adheres to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. China does not recognize the DPR, LPR, etc.” – Chinese Deputy Representative to the UN.

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @War Observer

    I think the original photos of a battlefeild strewn with Russian (Wagner) show the Western take on Russia's KIA is greatly exaggerated, just as Iran's were in the Iran-Iraq war. The Ukrainian ought to have scores of such photos but there is just that one. Where is the drone footage of these human waves, it would be great propaganda.


    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China
     
    China's military spending is remaining stable at 2%. But their economy is growing, In a generation America will need very much higher military spending and an alliance with Russia to deal with China militarily. Economically, I don't see how China can be contained at all, and that is why they are sticking to economic growth. It will be the West that does not like the 'rules based order' where China plays by the rules and wins hands down.
  230. @Sean
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    Probably, this silly war will continue for a while and then just sort of peter out – end with a whimper, not a bang, and without any clear cut, decisive outcome.
     
    Thats what America is hoping for : an attenuated Russia to be easily stalemated by lower than current levels of Western arms and a then-demoralised Putin to order a withdrawal from Donbass. But Putin's mother barely survived WW2 in Leningrad (ihis returning father is said to found her barely living atop a cart of corpses), Putin never met his brother who died in a orphanage of diphtheria during the war

    With a personal history like that, Putin is steeped in the concept of sacrifice for final victory, and in a particularly sticky patch would surely draw on an untapped plenitude of Russia's materiel and human resources to fight a conventional war if the current level of mobilisation let to a petering out of the Russian effort. I don't accept the premise that Russia cannot amp up its conventional effort from Special Military Operation effort very considerably by moving to a decreed state of war. That Putin has not done so suggests he thinks he is on track for victory at the current level, which is not provoking the US . Convincing him he is losing will be a challenge, and even them why should he admit defeat when that is likely to make his own continued leadership shaky. Putin's main characteristic is, according to Stuermer's book on him, is an aversion to acting impulsively and so he is not likely to overdramatise any difficulties. At present Russia is prolly doing better than we know from Western orientated media. The Ukrainians are firing more rounds a day through their Western howitzers than the Western suppliers knew those weapons could fire (they are designed for) and that is from a Ukrainian gunner speaking on CNN. Wagner groups new craping infiltration tactics under massive area bombardments do not seems very vulnerable to Western technicaly advanced precision and deep strike weapons in the way that armoured maneuver warfare has proved to be. I think Russia is likely to take all Donbass eventually.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Im not sure that these day by day extremely minute analyses amount to much, although I can see why some people enjoy them, like a competitive sport.

    In the larger picture it’s been like a year, and nothing really dramatic has happened. I don’t think much will change.

    Eventually, it will just stop, without much being gained by anyone, and just a sense of the futility of it all.

    Perhaps Plotinus had the wisest attitude to war.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    For a century Ukraine has been regarded as the 'Geographical Pivot of History'. the Heartland of the World Island. Denying it to one's enemy is no small achievement.

  231. @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it
     

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it
     
    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it. The waters where all explosions happened were and are controlled by NATO (i.e., the NATO godfather, the US). There were NATO naval maneuvers in those areas a few months before the blasts. The investigation is conducted by NATO members, Russians are not even allowed to participate. Many months passed since the event and the “investigation” is getting exactly nowhere. Looks to me like an investigation of the break-in into chicken coop by the fox who broke into it. Another telltale sign: Western MSM (directed by we know who) work hard to bury the issue. So, both classical “cui bono” and the way the “investigation” and media coverage of that terrorist act are going point to the same suspects. And those suspects are neither Ukrainians nor Russians.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Ukrainians might have wished for it, but they had neither ability nor opportunity to do it.

    Honestly I think so too.
    But when/if it’s eventually conceded that the Russians detonating whatever leverage they had over Germany is too preposterous to believe, blaming the Ukrainians for it makes sense.
    After all, they’re in no position to complain or deny it, whereas it could create a diplomatic scandal between Germany and Poland/Sweden if it was revealed they were involved (of course all European countries would be too cowardly to express anger or shift blame towards the US directly).

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    I think China’s strategic interests remain strictly in their own backyard. And whereas there at least was a non-trivial segment of Europe interested in friendly relations with Russia, China’s East/Southeast/ neighbors and India will hate and fear China whether the US is involved there or not.

    • Troll: Folkvangr
  232. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    Some time ago they also passed legislation offering Spanish nationality to anyone who could prove to be a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in the 15th century.
     
    Anybody take them up on it? This looks like the silliest PR move conceivable.

    Who holds the world record for ancient apologies? On April Fool's Day the Greek parliament could apologize to the Turks for wiping out Troy.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Anybody take them up on it?

    I don’t know. My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain. But I’m sure some must have taken up the offer. A Shengen passport is very convenient for many people. You can settle anywhere in the EU and Spain also has plenty of visa-free travel around the world and lots of bilateral treaties, especially with Latin America.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline. But this gesture of grating foreigners citizenship rights based on events that happened half a millennium ago, thus making fellow EU partners be co-responsible for those events, shows how immigration issues are handled in the EU.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.
     
    I'm really not sure about that.
    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel's, with the latter's problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline.
     
    It's often forgotten that the final expulsions of Moriscos and Conversos coincided with the period that the Ottoman Empire was at its height and seemed unstoppable. A little earlier in 1480, the Ottomans had even staged a probing invasion of Italy at Otranto. Nobody at the time could have known that front wasn't going to go anywhere, as the Turks went on to overwhelm Hungary instead.

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.
     
    They get both. I have not seen the numbers lately, but there was a substantial number that received Spanish passports when it was introduced (L America, Izrael...) The only requirement is religion and a hispanic surname (or close enough). Given the very mixed populations, it is just creative paperwork.

    Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England
     
    I recall that they were from Portugal, but I could be wrong. The 16th century expulsion of Jews and Moriscos was one reason Spain declined. But there were others: very top heavy society with an annual colonial tribute, over-extended power projection - invading England, Portugal..., an ideological tailspin to a rigid clericalism...

    By the 17th century too few did what would be considered real work, similar to the US-West today. But the West went ideologically in the exactly opposite direction and tries to maintain vitality with extreme openness...

    The elites consciously try to avoid Spain's fate, but they are overdoing it: the opposite of a failed policy is not automatically the solution, that would be too easy....

  233. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Anybody take them up on it?
     
    I don't know. My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain. But I'm sure some must have taken up the offer. A Shengen passport is very convenient for many people. You can settle anywhere in the EU and Spain also has plenty of visa-free travel around the world and lots of bilateral treaties, especially with Latin America.

    My personal view is that Spain didn't gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline. But this gesture of grating foreigners citizenship rights based on events that happened half a millennium ago, thus making fellow EU partners be co-responsible for those events, shows how immigration issues are handled in the EU.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Beckow

    My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.

    I’m really not sure about that.
    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline.

    It’s often forgotten that the final expulsions of Moriscos and Conversos coincided with the period that the Ottoman Empire was at its height and seemed unstoppable. A little earlier in 1480, the Ottomans had even staged a probing invasion of Italy at Otranto. Nobody at the time could have known that front wasn’t going to go anywhere, as the Turks went on to overwhelm Hungary instead.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.
     
    Israel's GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain's $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Most importantly for a long-term oriented Jew, Israel is less cucked than Spain. Spain admitted 500,000 immigrants in the first half of 2022; almost double their previous year. Spain will likely admit more African and Muslim immigrants over the next 20-30 years than Israel. And with sub-replacement fertility (compared to Israel's ~3 TFR); Spain has 50-70 years left of demographic dominance; after which instability will kick in; or Spaniards will fade gently into the good night. Israel has its demographic problems too; but I think they are in a slightly better position to address them - at least their leadership and populace recognize the problem.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  234. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Sean

    Im not sure that these day by day extremely minute analyses amount to much, although I can see why some people enjoy them, like a competitive sport.

    In the larger picture it's been like a year, and nothing really dramatic has happened. I don't think much will change.

    Eventually, it will just stop, without much being gained by anyone, and just a sense of the futility of it all.

    Perhaps Plotinus had the wisest attitude to war.

    Replies: @Sean

    For a century Ukraine has been regarded as the ‘Geographical Pivot of History’. the Heartland of the World Island. Denying it to one’s enemy is no small achievement.

  235. The war is an attempt to reverse Russian nationalist humiliation at losing the Soviet Empire in 1991. The inferiority complex gifted Russian by Nicholas I and Offical Nationality was strongly embedded in the security services. Similar things happened in Germany after WW1. Russia will be lucky to keep its rump of the Donbas by the time this ends.

    They don’t have the ammo to launch a ground offensive. Even if they capture the dump in Transneistra, it is likely all rotten. More likely they will be crushed trying.

    Russia does have a huge supply of anti-aircraft missiles. Now they have all but exhausted their other long range missiles, these are being repurposed as inaccurate weapons to keep up attacks on UA infrastructure but rarely hit the target when they do get through.

    90,000 Russian troops are going to be cut off in Taurida. By September at latest, they should have no fuel, no ammo and no food. If Russian ammunition is already so scarce, maybe less. If the problem is not scarcity but rather poor logistics led by Push, the huge new influx of reservists will be counter productive.

    Ukrainian’s new weapons start rolling across the fields in May. Until then mud will save Russia from big defeats.

    Can Putin survive the loss of Crimea? Most of his henchmen, particularly Medvedev have made stupid statements of aggression against the rest of the world to prove their loyalty. Mishtustin the constitutional successor, has made a few grunts of support but nothing outrageous. He as stayed as far back as possible. This indicates questionable loyalty to Putin. A true loyalist would offer to nuke London or otherwise put himself beyond The Pale. He probably enjoys Xi’s support to still be in office. Before the IT workers fled, there were 7m men of military age in Russia. As well as the refugees and military who must number over 1m, Russia needs another 1m extra production specialists to keep the economy rolling and increase military production. This from a group which represents demographic collapse and should be making babies (Putin has ordered an increase there too).

    Xi owes Putin a return visit to Moscow. He didn’t turn for the anniversary. With Xi and a succesful launch, rather than a failure of the Sarmat, Putin’s speech would have been more upbeat. In practice, Xi is maintaining sanctions on Russia (military gear, top end chips) and distancing himself from a loser. He sent Wang Yi instead to tell Putin to get his act together. Xi and the politburo may change their minds if the US gets too triumphalist but even then all they can offer in time would be ammunition for Russia’s obsolete weapon systems.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    This “comment” is classical sour grapes, with some blatant lies thrown in for credibility. Trolling for the imperial cause gets harder and harder by the day. My condolences.

    Looks like the empire is getting hysterical. To create a money laundering opportunity it stupidly attached itself to a lost cause. Even sent Alzheimer-in-chief to the place where he and his wayward son got sizeable bribes. Now it is desperately looking for ways to save whatever remains of its face. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Emil Nikola Richard

  236. @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Unironically quoting Oryx is a bad form.
    These cretins presented one Russian tank as twenty tanks just because Kiev regime moved that one slightly and photoed from different angle.
    And,of course,anything questionable is destroyed Russian tank,which is especially laughable when they presented photos of T-64s in the first two weeks and stuff.
    And then there were attempts to present debris of obviously Kiev regime trash like T-72 AMTs as Russian T-90s of all things...
    Oryx lies.BY DEFAULT.
    It's not open source,it's as far from intelligence is possible,it's classic black propaganda piece.
    Problem here,of course,is that Oryx is a lying propaganda piece that has been caught lying more times that I care to count.
    Another example : The final question regarding Ukraine’s tanks, is where are all the captured Russian tanks? According to Oryx Ukraine has captured over 500 functional Russian tanks including nearly 200 T-72B3 tanks. Ukrainian tank brigade seemingly have around 60 tanks, so shouldn’t they be able to field at least 3 tank brigades with T-72B3 tanks? Plus another 5 brigades with other captured tanks. Yet, I have not seen a single formation of captured Russian tanks in service.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Philip Owen

    The tanks are coming. Still not tank weather until May. Mud.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Philip Owen


    The tanks are coming
     
    Which tanks are you babbling about? The 14 Challengers? LOL.
    As for the Leopards, it's clear now that it was never more than a political manouevre, intended to make Germany the scapegoat for Ukrainian reverses. Apparently they didn't expect Scholz to actually cave in and send tanks...now that he did, even PiS Poland suddenly is talking about problems with sending their Leopards...and mighty Finland has apparently offered to send three (!) special de-mining tanks. Absolute farce. Ukraine will be lucky to get a few dozen Leopards, of different versions at that.
  237. Could that nuclear waste mutant be a reverse Michael Jackson, and want to be a black woman? Do we know anything about his other targets?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    Is it surprising that the shittiest administration in history attracts shit? Scum will remain scum, whether straight, transgender, or transvestite.

  238. @Philip Owen
    The war is an attempt to reverse Russian nationalist humiliation at losing the Soviet Empire in 1991. The inferiority complex gifted Russian by Nicholas I and Offical Nationality was strongly embedded in the security services. Similar things happened in Germany after WW1. Russia will be lucky to keep its rump of the Donbas by the time this ends.

    They don't have the ammo to launch a ground offensive. Even if they capture the dump in Transneistra, it is likely all rotten. More likely they will be crushed trying.

    Russia does have a huge supply of anti-aircraft missiles. Now they have all but exhausted their other long range missiles, these are being repurposed as inaccurate weapons to keep up attacks on UA infrastructure but rarely hit the target when they do get through.

    90,000 Russian troops are going to be cut off in Taurida. By September at latest, they should have no fuel, no ammo and no food. If Russian ammunition is already so scarce, maybe less. If the problem is not scarcity but rather poor logistics led by Push, the huge new influx of reservists will be counter productive.

    Ukrainian's new weapons start rolling across the fields in May. Until then mud will save Russia from big defeats.

    Can Putin survive the loss of Crimea? Most of his henchmen, particularly Medvedev have made stupid statements of aggression against the rest of the world to prove their loyalty. Mishtustin the constitutional successor, has made a few grunts of support but nothing outrageous. He as stayed as far back as possible. This indicates questionable loyalty to Putin. A true loyalist would offer to nuke London or otherwise put himself beyond The Pale. He probably enjoys Xi's support to still be in office. Before the IT workers fled, there were 7m men of military age in Russia. As well as the refugees and military who must number over 1m, Russia needs another 1m extra production specialists to keep the economy rolling and increase military production. This from a group which represents demographic collapse and should be making babies (Putin has ordered an increase there too).

    Xi owes Putin a return visit to Moscow. He didn't turn for the anniversary. With Xi and a succesful launch, rather than a failure of the Sarmat, Putin's speech would have been more upbeat. In practice, Xi is maintaining sanctions on Russia (military gear, top end chips) and distancing himself from a loser. He sent Wang Yi instead to tell Putin to get his act together. Xi and the politburo may change their minds if the US gets too triumphalist but even then all they can offer in time would be ammunition for Russia's obsolete weapon systems.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This “comment” is classical sour grapes, with some blatant lies thrown in for credibility. Trolling for the imperial cause gets harder and harder by the day. My condolences.

    Looks like the empire is getting hysterical. To create a money laundering opportunity it stupidly attached itself to a lost cause. Even sent Alzheimer-in-chief to the place where he and his wayward son got sizeable bribes. Now it is desperately looking for ways to save whatever remains of its face. Tough luck.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption). I don't dispute that Biden's son was being used for some purpose. Probably not wittingly from what I have read of his abilities. I would also include the Clintons, Blair, Prime Ministers of Sweden and Israel and senior officials across Europe and the US on the Ukrainian (specifically Pinchuk's payroll). This does not make Russia right to invade.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCccpwlk1cw&ab_channel=KyleDunnigan

  239. @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.
     
    I'm really not sure about that.
    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel's, with the latter's problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    My personal view is that Spain didn’t gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline.
     
    It's often forgotten that the final expulsions of Moriscos and Conversos coincided with the period that the Ottoman Empire was at its height and seemed unstoppable. A little earlier in 1480, the Ottomans had even staged a probing invasion of Italy at Otranto. Nobody at the time could have known that front wasn't going to go anywhere, as the Turks went on to overwhelm Hungary instead.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.

    Israel’s GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain’s $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Most importantly for a long-term oriented Jew, Israel is less cucked than Spain. Spain admitted 500,000 immigrants in the first half of 2022; almost double their previous year. Spain will likely admit more African and Muslim immigrants over the next 20-30 years than Israel. And with sub-replacement fertility (compared to Israel’s ~3 TFR); Spain has 50-70 years left of demographic dominance; after which instability will kick in; or Spaniards will fade gently into the good night. Israel has its demographic problems too; but I think they are in a slightly better position to address them – at least their leadership and populace recognize the problem.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    Israel’s GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain’s $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.
     
    Well I haven't visited either country, so this isn't worth much, but my gut feeling tells me inequality in Israel is an order of magnitude higher in Israel than Spain, whatever the figures say. With elected governments at least, a lot of care is done to reduce the appearance (if not the reality) of inequality and so the figures can be assumed to be manipulated.

    Probably Dmitry could comment on this more profitably, since he's visited both countries and seems to speak passable Hebrew and and possibly understands Spanish when spoken (I merely learned to read it and haven't spoken with natives irl) as well.

  240. @songbird
    Could that nuclear waste mutant be a reverse Michael Jackson, and want to be a black woman? Do we know anything about his other targets?
    https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1628611857094217728?s=20

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Is it surprising that the shittiest administration in history attracts shit? Scum will remain scum, whether straight, transgender, or transvestite.

  241. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    This “comment” is classical sour grapes, with some blatant lies thrown in for credibility. Trolling for the imperial cause gets harder and harder by the day. My condolences.

    Looks like the empire is getting hysterical. To create a money laundering opportunity it stupidly attached itself to a lost cause. Even sent Alzheimer-in-chief to the place where he and his wayward son got sizeable bribes. Now it is desperately looking for ways to save whatever remains of its face. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption). I don’t dispute that Biden’s son was being used for some purpose. Probably not wittingly from what I have read of his abilities. I would also include the Clintons, Blair, Prime Ministers of Sweden and Israel and senior officials across Europe and the US on the Ukrainian (specifically Pinchuk’s payroll). This does not make Russia right to invade.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen


    What is the minimum additional trouble which would need to have been created by the West or Ukraine in order for you to begrudgingly agree that Russia's moves were in fact defensive?
     
    Context for the question above. Many people would agree that the West was meddling in Ukraine, but they might argue over the degree of the meddling, or simply ignore it and say that always takes place. The West found a sympathetic audience for their meddling and nurtured a coup and what followed. The locals attacked Donbass with the obvious plan of driving out any resistance to the coup. Some of the fighters probably reveled in their own little genocide.

    These facts could all be sugar-coated but I think the points are not controversial.

    The next piece is the West wanted to expand NATO into Ukraine and place weapons there pointed at Russia. The degree to which these weapons would be a serious military threat or merely a political threat is unknown.

    For many people these limited facts are enough to definitively show that Russia was responding defensively to an actual threat created by the West.

    People in your camp seem to believe the balance of facts is such that Russia was not defending herself but attacking. Can you respond to the question at the top in the box?
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen


    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption
     
    Russia is no more fascist state than the US. In fact, there is a lot more variety of opinions in Russian MSM, whereas the “unanimity” of American MSM today is the same that was in Hitler’s Germany in late 1930s.

    My university censored out numerous websites and whole domains. To be fair, I can easily access the sites that it censored out via my home internet service provider and via my cellphone. I recently flew to Kenya via France. Experimentally I found that France censored out the same sites that my University, whereas in Kenya there is freedom of speech: no internet censorship.

    If you want to call someone fascist, Ukraine qualifies with its extrajudicial imprisonment, murders, and torture of political prisoners.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  242. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Standard of living in Spain, especially for average people, is much higher than Israel’s, with the latter’s problems of religious nuts, housing price crisis, unstable governments, fuzzy borders, African migrant crime, unassimilated Russians despising brown Mizrachim, high cost of food, abrasive public behavior, and so on.
     
    Israel's GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain's $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Most importantly for a long-term oriented Jew, Israel is less cucked than Spain. Spain admitted 500,000 immigrants in the first half of 2022; almost double their previous year. Spain will likely admit more African and Muslim immigrants over the next 20-30 years than Israel. And with sub-replacement fertility (compared to Israel's ~3 TFR); Spain has 50-70 years left of demographic dominance; after which instability will kick in; or Spaniards will fade gently into the good night. Israel has its demographic problems too; but I think they are in a slightly better position to address them - at least their leadership and populace recognize the problem.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Israel’s GDP per capita (PPP) was $52,000 compared to Spain’s $46,000 in 2022. In nominal terms the gap would be even larger; $58,000 for Israel and $29,000 for Spain. Gini co-efficient is roughly similar for both countries; around the 33-34 range.

    Well I haven’t visited either country, so this isn’t worth much, but my gut feeling tells me inequality in Israel is an order of magnitude higher in Israel than Spain, whatever the figures say. With elected governments at least, a lot of care is done to reduce the appearance (if not the reality) of inequality and so the figures can be assumed to be manipulated.

    Probably Dmitry could comment on this more profitably, since he’s visited both countries and seems to speak passable Hebrew and and possibly understands Spanish when spoken (I merely learned to read it and haven’t spoken with natives irl) as well.

  243. @A123
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Trump wanted to improve relations with Russia. In part to head off a China/Russia team up. Tucker Carlson discusses this point, and others in this segment. This is even more important than the ones that Sundance calls out.(1)


    In his opening monologue Monday night, Fox News host Tucker Carlson outlined the insufferable Ukraine narrative and the geopolitical consequences that will flow from the outcome of foreign policy.

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    https://youtu.be/I-q-3z--8iw

     

    1/3 of all cars sold in Russia come from China. Clearly, Trump will try to unwind this mess 2025-2028. However, Not-The-President Biden's perfidy can never be wholly repaired. America and the world have been permanently damaged by the 2020 coup that placed an unelected puppet in the white House.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/tucker-carlson-outlines-ukraine-conflict-china-alignment-with-russia-and-contrast-of-ukraine-spending-against-crisis-in-ohio/

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.

    Well, there was zero priority under Trump to equip trains with better brakes. And there was much military assistance to Ukraine under Trump.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/22/donald-trump-toxic-train-derailment-east-palestine-ohio
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Brás Cubas

    Are you Joy Behar ?

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/EF79D55C-C77A-47C9-9297-1E7537C321EF.jpeg
     

    If not... Why do you sound exactly like her?

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    Note: That is a jpeg of the tweet. You can follow back to the original diatribe here:

    https://instapundit.com/571220/

  244. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen

    This “comment” is classical sour grapes, with some blatant lies thrown in for credibility. Trolling for the imperial cause gets harder and harder by the day. My condolences.

    Looks like the empire is getting hysterical. To create a money laundering opportunity it stupidly attached itself to a lost cause. Even sent Alzheimer-in-chief to the place where he and his wayward son got sizeable bribes. Now it is desperately looking for ways to save whatever remains of its face. Tough luck.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Emil Nikola Richard

  245. @A123
    NATO has been siding for a while, but this tweet is just Wowzers:

    It reads, “This war will shape the continent. It will set rules and draw frontiers. Books will be written and studies done on the reality we face today. We are Harry Potter and William Wallace, the Na’vi and Han Solo. We’re escaping from Shawshank and blowing up the Death Star. We are fighting with the Harkonnens and challenging Thanos. Ukraine is hosting one of the great epics of this century.”
     
    A new term has been coined in response -- Ukringe

    Everyone needs to check out the responses here (1).

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-criticised-tweet-comparing-ukraine-conflict-harry-potter

    Replies: @Brás Cubas

    If NATO had written this, it would be one thing. But it’s actually a quote from a text written by a real soldier in the battlefield. That changes things a little, the way I see it.
    Anyway, what the soldier (who is also a journalist)’s text reveals is just how steeped in Western popular culture Ukrainians are. For better or for worse.

  246. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    You seem to be arguing with the very idea of a luxury product,
     
    You seem to misunderstand what a luxury product is.

    Luxury must be *voluntary* spending, often on an intangible quality. Fair trade chocolate is a luxury. Despite identical nature of the physical product, the intangible "fairness" justifies the higher luxury price.

    When ESG is a mandate and all products must be ESG, then involuntary ESG is a necessary feature not a luxury.

    I asked you to name some people who were true intellectuals
     
    Try rereading my answer. You obviously missed my point.

    dissident intellectual thought leadership is diffuse. There is no easily targeted Newt Gingrich figure. That is a strength not a weakness.

    The fact that there are no names for me to list is a highly desirable feature of broad based intellectualism throughout the populist movement.
    ____

    The fact that start up institutions such as University of Austin are necessary is a damning indictment of the status quo.

    https://www.uaustin.org/

    WE’RE BUILDING A UNIVERSITY DEDICATED TO THE FEARLESS PURSUIT OF TRUTH.
    https://youtu.be/MzoTYfAslsQ

     

    This is what intellectual life should be, but no longer is. The rescue plan for New College in Florida is another example.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think Fair Trade is a bad example to make your point. Many people intrigued by Fair Trade notions think it goes beyond fairness as they are concerned that crimes and immoral acts are being perpetrated to create the product. In any given case it is difficult to know if this is true, but it should not be considered optional.

    I realize that Fair Trade and similar bandwagons may be rolled up with various other aspects (communism, etc.) which blur the facts.

    It is a challenge for free exchange, especially with fungible products.

    I know nothing about ESG.

    PS: Good chocolate is one of the key food groups, I’m not sure how anyone considers it a “luxury”…

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I know nothing about ESG.
     
    Like most progressive policies, ESG is horrifying dogma locked on a path towards certain disaster. It is anti-American deception that pretends to be socially conscious. (1)

    The ‘ESG’ Scam Rates Slave-Using Chinese Firms Higher Than Clean American Energy Producers

     

    Expecting publicly traded companies to do more than simply return shareholder value — their fiduciary responsibility — is a fairly new development in Western capitalism. The idea that corporate leadership and shareholders should explicitly care about environmental, social, and corporate governance (known as ESG) issues beyond how they might affect the bottom line has been around for only about 30 years.

    But now, ESG investing has become a big driver in steering capital to corporations deemed to be good stewards of subjective principles. By 2025, financial management firms that claim to invest with ESG principles are projected to account for $50 trillion of a total global value of $140.5 trillion — more than a third of managed investments.
    ...
    Ben M. “Bud” Brigham, founder and executive chairman of Brigham Minerals and other energy companies, has been an ESG skeptic for years. He tells me that “companies innovating in free markets strive to create value for their owners which benefit all the legitimate stakeholders. This is empirically validated in America, where we enjoy unprecedented levels of clean air and clean water compared to other major economies. In contrast, ESG investing — a relatively subjective exercise — often represents the influence of illegitimate stakeholders, and therefore ends up being irresponsible, destructive, and counter to its stated goals.”

    So, here’s the bottom line from the self-righteous global elites: Chinese-government-owned coal, fine; Chinese slave-provisioned solar power, good; Chinese state-owned natural gas, better; American domestic natural gas and oil, terrible.
     

    Voluntarily screwing up your personal return by picking bad (but CCP green), investments is a luxury.

    Damaging U.S. industry by making energy more expensive is sedition, possibly treason. Decreasing already precarious retirement by government mandating ESG into 401-K investments is entirely involuntary.

    The "E" in ESG is actually for "Evil".

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/28/the-esg-scam-rates-slave-using-chinese-firms-higher-than-clean-american-energy-producers/

  247. • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikhail

    Oh, geez, another one of these... well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist, he should really focus on his own country and population. What state is he from?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  248. @Philip Owen
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption). I don't dispute that Biden's son was being used for some purpose. Probably not wittingly from what I have read of his abilities. I would also include the Clintons, Blair, Prime Ministers of Sweden and Israel and senior officials across Europe and the US on the Ukrainian (specifically Pinchuk's payroll). This does not make Russia right to invade.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    What is the minimum additional trouble which would need to have been created by the West or Ukraine in order for you to begrudgingly agree that Russia’s moves were in fact defensive?

    Context for the question above. Many people would agree that the West was meddling in Ukraine, but they might argue over the degree of the meddling, or simply ignore it and say that always takes place. The West found a sympathetic audience for their meddling and nurtured a coup and what followed. The locals attacked Donbass with the obvious plan of driving out any resistance to the coup. Some of the fighters probably reveled in their own little genocide.

    These facts could all be sugar-coated but I think the points are not controversial.

    The next piece is the West wanted to expand NATO into Ukraine and place weapons there pointed at Russia. The degree to which these weapons would be a serious military threat or merely a political threat is unknown.

    For many people these limited facts are enough to definitively show that Russia was responding defensively to an actual threat created by the West.

    People in your camp seem to believe the balance of facts is such that Russia was not defending herself but attacking. Can you respond to the question at the top in the box?

  249. @Yevardian
    Posted this in links earlier, but just a lengthy interview with someone deeply embedded in the American foreign policy establishment, notable in that she practically discounts any possibility the Russians blew up Nordsteam, whilst suggesting Ukrainians could have done it. (German_Reader should be pleased)
    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it, though perhaps this decision to go-ahead of some senior officials was indeed 'cordoned off'.

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/absolute-victory-over-russia-isnt-possible/

    I still see this war as a mutal lose-lose-lose situation for Russia, Ukraine and Europe whatever happens, with only US and possibly Chinese interests benefitting.

    Replies: @War Observer, @AnonfromTN, @A123

    Although to my mind it seems extremely unlikely this could have been carried out without at least somebody in the US greenlighting it,

    Given the dementia and leakiness of Not-The-President Biden’s administration, I cannot fathom anyone being stupid enough to seek a green light from the U.S. Anything requiring operational security has to exclude the DC Dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

  250. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @LatW

    I agree, I wouldn't force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn't want it.

    While I think an extreme alt-right state that is hostile to and humiliates and even engages in violence against foreigners should become an international pariah and be subject to pressure, a merely conservative, traditional state that wants to largely retain it's demographics and culture, but is also capable of welcoming foreigners to a limited extent and doesn't excessively repress alternative lifestyles and points of view is something that it is perfectly possible to coexist with.

    In short, I'd be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal, but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah :) (and would)

    In non extreme cases, any social change that I favor should be encouraged in non-coercice ways - even seductive ways, if you understand what I mean (not in a sinister way lol, but an honest, open way). If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it's inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    And at the end of the day, not every society needs to come down precisely on the same social arrangements on different metrics, and there ought to be room for genuinely different visions of the good life provided one avoids obvious large scale injustice, cruelty, and evil.


    It can be a permanent measure or at least work long term. Highly controlled migration, no public funding for scandalous contemporary “art” projects, no formal gay marriage, even some control over predatory financial institutions, etc. Nothing too extreme or oppressive. It could easily go on for a long time
     
    .

    I don't seriously object to any of this, even if they aren't my preferred social arrangements exactly (although I am 100% with you on banning socially predatory finance!), and as long as they don't spill over eventually into outright repression against gays or cruelty to foreigners (and there is no reason they need to).

    My only point is that it is a "static" vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it's vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    But this is just a general philosophical remark that you are free to reject or take to heart, and at the end of the day, it's your society and within rather broad moral latitudes you should have the freedom to make your own choices.

    And of course equality, everyone should be middle class, with only a few exceptions. The elite should serve the people. There could be even more freedom than in a multi-cultural neoliberal society, our current societies are not always even that free.
     
    I probably agree with this in it's entirety :)

    Replies: @LatW

    I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.

    These days it’s not so much about “forcing” (except in the case of countries such as Russia), but more about meddling – latching on to a small home grown progressive minority in an Eastern European country and artificially bolstering it.

    I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal

    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around). But even my ideal is considered “far right” by some of today’s leading ideologues. And, of course, local liberals who take for granted what was built by the normal majority.

    but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah

    It’s actually a rather diverse group here. I’m a bit surprised how few real WNs there are on these boards. This group is so diverse that they couldn’t hold a coherent ideology and maintain a country. They are mostly contrarians (which is fun and unusual, but how would they run a country? Once they established that desired country of theirs, they would turn contrarian towards it again).

    But if you’re talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah. After all, there are states with rather questionable politics that have not been made pariahs by the West (certain oil states in the Middle East, etc). So what is allowed to an oil country would not be allowed to a white country (assuming that country is not in NATO)?

    doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles

    Alternative lifestyles always existed, even in the 1930s. Forms of women’s lib existed back then as well.
    It just didn’t take extreme forms. But there is a problem here with consistency, of course, things such as if hetero society does not behave well, then it doesn’t really make sense to “oppress” gays. Then it becomes a race to the bottom.

    If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.

    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Certain things can be measured empirically – for example, what kind of a lifestyle reduces blood pressure or which ingredients in food production should be avoided. But when it comes to human happiness, it becomes subjective. Also, something that may be making one happy at one point, may not make them happy forever, etc. There are different stages in life where one’s needs will be different. The hedonistic approach is a bit slippery.

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.

    If you’re looking for an Ideal, then some aspects of archeofuturism may provide such. In my ideal state, the ideological basis would be drawn from the ancestral wisdom (the ethical guidelines contained in a body of poetry called daina). There is also value in the Greco-Roman heritage, obviously. Or even some kind of mythopoetic exercise.

    You see, “Ideal” is a tricky word – we can view it as something one strives for, something that is more defined as a permanent search, an unending journey, where we are in a flux and thriving for something that is not constant, that is not here and that is not fully defined. Some abstract ideal of humanity. But an “Ideal” can also be something very concrete, something from the past, that which once was but is in essence timeless, that can be exalted and idealized.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

    I hope you are talking about the metaphysical Platonic Ideal here, because the political and even to some extent the ethical Platonic Ideal is deeply totalitarian.

    [MORE]

    Btw, I wanted to add something to our previous exchange regarding Zelensky. I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @LatW

    Right, in my response to Beckow I quoted Alfred de Custine perceiving already in 1843 that the West would shift away from wars of conquest and towards wars of propaganda. Its quite remarkable prescience for so far back.


    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around).
     
    But this could almost be considered the liberal credo :)

    Well, it's been said that conservatism is the liberalism of a few decades ago. I am certainly not a fan of much of what passes for liberalism these days.

    As for Unz commenters, most on this forum are not so bad, but most of the rest of the site just has some of the most odious people, both commenters and columnists. I would not want to form a society with them - but you're right, they're likely too anti-social to really form a functioning society.

    But if you’re talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah
     
    I'd agree up to a point. But I do think there is a moral threshold beyond which cruel and oppressive internal policies should make one a pariah. I mean, in my personal life, there are some people I refuse to deal with even though they've done nothing to me.

    I think that's a basic stance of any decent and moral person - some actions, some countries, some people, even if they haven't harmed me, are beyond any moral pale that I want to be a part of. We have to condemn the truly evil when we see it - we have a responsibility to do that, and to shun it.

    Someone like Vox Day, for instance, and many figures among the alt-right, are people that I would personally treat as pariahs - I would deal with them on the spiritual level, out of compassion, and even be kind and gentle to them on that level, but on the social, economic, or political level, I would shun them to the max.

    Of course I don't include traditional conservatism in this - not at all. But this new beast, the alt-right, is often simply evil. There is no other way of saying it, and we all must draw our lines somewhere.

    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.
     
    Exactly, no one gets to "decide" :) I'm proposing a completely different model that takes us completely away from the usual models of coercion in any form. An entirely voluntaristic model.

    For instance, I read last year an interesting book about the spread of Christianity. Apparently, the early Christians were not great proselytizers, unlike the later ones.

    Rather, their lifestyle was so visibly different from their pagan neighborhoods, and involved so much visibly greater charity, compassion, friendliness, and good cheer, that it's inherent appeal caused the new religion to spread like wildfire.

    If a way of life, a philosophy, an attitude, is truly more conducive to human happiness, it need not use any coercion whatsoever - at most, it may use rhetoric.

    Btw, this is a withering criticism of Woke and cancel culture.

    As for the Ideal, it is always being realized, but always imperfectly. That's why it reaches into the past but also stretches into the future. Everything in the Past and in Tradition that has realized the Ideal - and there is much! - must be rescued and restored, preserved and built up on, but everything that was just human, all too human, must be jettisoned - and at the same time, one must be ever reaching towards greater realization of the Ideal (we never fully realize it in this sublunary realm)

    So it's a dual-movement that looks both to the past and the future - a culture that has abandoned it's past has abandoned the Ideal. But a culture that worships it's past has also abandoned the Ideal.

    The Ideal is timeless and without change but in a sense our movement towards it is infinite. Early Christian writers wrote about infinite movement within a larger context of the timeless and unchanging.

    Anyways, this is getting quite abstract :) And yes, I don't mean Plato's specific political totalitarianism.

    As for Zelensky, I appreciate your remarks. To be honest, I don't have any firm opinion of him per se, and I was objecting more to the idea that the only reason a Jew might stay in Ukraine, was not a genuine sense of values, but out of a calculation where best to utilize his specific talents. But I do appreciate your remarks on him here.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.
     
    Oh come now LatW, you must let the cat out of the bag now. What is left of UNZ if we supplicants don't adhere to UNZ' bold credo:

    A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

     

    No UNZ reader (including yourself) comes here looking for the same drab information that can be gleaned from watching the 6:00 news, right? :-)

    Replies: @LatW

  251. Anatoly is becoming increasingly optimistic about Russia’s chances in the war based on two reasons:

    1. Data indicates that Ukrainian losses are high and that the rate of attrition for Ukraine is no less than it was earlier in the war
    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing

    point 1 I don’t think is too relevant. I believe that Ukraine has enough manpower to fight forever.

    point 2 is more interesting. Russia is capable of providing most of its own armament needs but China could be very helpful with EW and other systems that will help close some of the technological gap with NATO supplied Ukraine.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    My impression is that much of China's military hardware is still closely based on Russian equipment. What makes you believe they have more advanced EW systems than Russia? I can imagine China has more quantity but not more quality.

    Has Toly volunteered yet? They say chicks dig scars.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @LatW
    @Greasy William


    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing
     
    There is nothing concrete there yet. Is this some Chinese game to put pressure on the West to further their own agendas?

    First, China stressed quite clearly that they believe "territorial integrity" should be respected. It is not clear from the recent visit to Moscow whether China and Russia are on the same page here (it doesn't appear so, it's more that China simply doesn't want the US to prevail and become stronger and they still want a "multi-polar" world).

    It would also be a risk for the CCP to openly support RusFed with weapons (or even start some kind of a war production program). They are struggling from the lack of growth and would be sanctioned on top of that. Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  252. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFU7W7HmM8s

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, geez, another one of these… well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist, he should really focus on his own country and population. What state is he from?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist
     
    That is decidely *not* a good thing. Guys who are obsessed with "manhood" are the cringiest weirdos there are

    Replies: @LatW

  253. @LatW
    @Mikhail

    Oh, geez, another one of these... well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist, he should really focus on his own country and population. What state is he from?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist

    That is decidely *not* a good thing. Guys who are obsessed with “manhood” are the cringiest weirdos there are

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William

    Why not? He seems to enjoy ice baths and seems quite ambitious about "American manhood". Maybe a little too ambitious....

    "If American men don’t undergo a physical revolution, our civilization will fall.

    The New American Man must be able to point out places for mountains & passes, change the course of rivers and lay down rules for the oceans. All soy culture must be corrected or reduced to ashes."

    LOL

    https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1628930254302744577

  254. @Greasy William
    Anatoly is becoming increasingly optimistic about Russia's chances in the war based on two reasons:

    1. Data indicates that Ukrainian losses are high and that the rate of attrition for Ukraine is no less than it was earlier in the war
    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing


    point 1 I don't think is too relevant. I believe that Ukraine has enough manpower to fight forever.

    point 2 is more interesting. Russia is capable of providing most of its own armament needs but China could be very helpful with EW and other systems that will help close some of the technological gap with NATO supplied Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    My impression is that much of China’s military hardware is still closely based on Russian equipment. What makes you believe they have more advanced EW systems than Russia? I can imagine China has more quantity but not more quality.

    Has Toly volunteered yet? They say chicks dig scars.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    Unlike Russia, China has an advanced electronics industry. They are behind Russia in jet engine technology but ahead of Russia in every other field. China has been prepping for a hot war with the US for decades whereas the Russian military is mainly for bullying Russia's hapless neighbors.

    China is a basket case in its own right, I'm even more skeptical about China long term than I am about Russia, but the US is so degenerate and gay that a China/Russia alliance could conceivably defeat it.

    Replies: @QCIC

  255. @Philip Owen
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption). I don't dispute that Biden's son was being used for some purpose. Probably not wittingly from what I have read of his abilities. I would also include the Clintons, Blair, Prime Ministers of Sweden and Israel and senior officials across Europe and the US on the Ukrainian (specifically Pinchuk's payroll). This does not make Russia right to invade.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption

    Russia is no more fascist state than the US. In fact, there is a lot more variety of opinions in Russian MSM, whereas the “unanimity” of American MSM today is the same that was in Hitler’s Germany in late 1930s.

    My university censored out numerous websites and whole domains. To be fair, I can easily access the sites that it censored out via my home internet service provider and via my cellphone. I recently flew to Kenya via France. Experimentally I found that France censored out the same sites that my University, whereas in Kenya there is freedom of speech: no internet censorship.

    If you want to call someone fascist, Ukraine qualifies with its extrajudicial imprisonment, murders, and torture of political prisoners.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Zero point trying to debate with this subhuman scum Phillip Owen, as if he is giving genuine viewpoint and argument.....and not a total POS.

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state. I think there are several aspects of American life that are undesirable but if it's domestic life is "fascist" is not something I think, but "fascism" is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    How you could say the American state system in domestic form is fascist is how subhuman diaspora lobby groups and other ones ( shale companies or areas where shale oil/gas international exportation are desired) via their voting and financing help determine domestic governments .....which then helps dictate their international policy in addition to "deep state" psychopaths.

    No other country in the world does international policy get dictated for such insidious reasons to a foreign state for its own domestic reasons - and often by people with zero or superficial knowledge of the country they are trying to dictate to.

    One thing to remember at the start of last year under American assistance, the 3 countries being directed the most to move away from Russia:

    Moldova - leader of opposition, former President Dodon - house arrest

    Ukraine/404- leader of opposition Medvedchuk - house arrest,then jail, then treated as a POW under violation of about a million different international laws ( and fkheadistan has zero problem with impossible to serve in military, as 69 years old, Medvedchuk getting treated as POW), former President Valtsman/Poroshenko - is serious possibility of getting jail
    Gruzia - oppositionist, former President Saakashvili.....in jail ( a great thing, but for completely wrong reasons)

    Moldova has some American funded and educated Romanian bitch as President, with most of the Constitutional court and top government positions Romanian passport holders.

    Its a combination of anti-Russian political purges, and fighting for American pigfeed.....by accusing eachother of being anti-Russian that perfectly shows the pitiful freakshow that is post-soviet , anti-democratic, anti-Russian statehood under American control.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

  256. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    well, at least he appears to be some kind of a masculist
     
    That is decidely *not* a good thing. Guys who are obsessed with "manhood" are the cringiest weirdos there are

    Replies: @LatW

    Why not? He seems to enjoy ice baths and seems quite ambitious about “American manhood”. Maybe a little too ambitious….

    “If American men don’t undergo a physical revolution, our civilization will fall.

    The New American Man must be able to point out places for mountains & passes, change the course of rivers and lay down rules for the oceans. All soy culture must be corrected or reduced to ashes.”

    LOL

    [MORE]

  257. @War Observer
    @Gerard1234


    although several HIMARS on the battlefield and rockets/missiles for it in storage have been destroyed already

     

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    Anyway, HIMARS has been near-useless since winter – lack of camouflage and covering its tracks , plus our military adapting to spot, track, destroy and not get deceived/overwhelmed in AD, from the latest (NATO conducted)Ukronazi trick.

     

    Winter is still ongoing... The mobilized at Makiivka vocational school 19 certainly found out the usefulness of HIMARS at 1 minute past New Years...

    for one of them “heroically” saying in comms to Moskva to go f**k itself………even though he didn’t say it, even though NONE of them were killed or even injured or showed any resistance……..even though they surrendered immediately!!!!
     
    How is the Cruiser Moskva doing these days?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Any photographic proof? None so far has been produced.

    WTF? Are you a bacha boy for Oshkosh executives? That seem’s the only logical explanation of your ridiculous comments and agenda.

  258. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    My impression is that much of China's military hardware is still closely based on Russian equipment. What makes you believe they have more advanced EW systems than Russia? I can imagine China has more quantity but not more quality.

    Has Toly volunteered yet? They say chicks dig scars.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Unlike Russia, China has an advanced electronics industry. They are behind Russia in jet engine technology but ahead of Russia in every other field. China has been prepping for a hot war with the US for decades whereas the Russian military is mainly for bullying Russia’s hapless neighbors.

    China is a basket case in its own right, I’m even more skeptical about China long term than I am about Russia, but the US is so degenerate and gay that a China/Russia alliance could conceivably defeat it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    China is coming along, but I think they are still 90% copy, 10% figure it out on their own. With 10X the people they may be OK, but if they have 1/10 the innovation, maybe not. Time will tell.

    They seem to be behind Russia in many fields, but I agree they have ridden the Western microelectronics boom which Russia completely missed, other than sending loads of smart people to help out in the West. Russia is still catching up with the Soviet Union in some areas, but has advanced in others.

    I think the "New Great Wall" Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

  259. @Brás Cubas
    @A123


    Additionally, Carlson contrasts the difference in DC priority for financially assisting Ukraine while places like East Palestine, Ohio, suffer a catastrophic toxic chemical disaster.
     
    Well, there was zero priority under Trump to equip trains with better brakes. And there was much military assistance to Ukraine under Trump.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/22/donald-trump-toxic-train-derailment-east-palestine-ohio
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898

    Replies: @A123

    Are you Joy Behar ?

      

    If not… Why do you sound exactly like her?

    PEACE 😇
    ________

    Note: That is a jpeg of the tweet. You can follow back to the original diatribe here:

    https://instapundit.com/571220/

  260. @Greasy William
    Anatoly is becoming increasingly optimistic about Russia's chances in the war based on two reasons:

    1. Data indicates that Ukrainian losses are high and that the rate of attrition for Ukraine is no less than it was earlier in the war
    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing


    point 1 I don't think is too relevant. I believe that Ukraine has enough manpower to fight forever.

    point 2 is more interesting. Russia is capable of providing most of its own armament needs but China could be very helpful with EW and other systems that will help close some of the technological gap with NATO supplied Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing

    There is nothing concrete there yet. Is this some Chinese game to put pressure on the West to further their own agendas?

    First, China stressed quite clearly that they believe “territorial integrity” should be respected. It is not clear from the recent visit to Moscow whether China and Russia are on the same page here (it doesn’t appear so, it’s more that China simply doesn’t want the US to prevail and become stronger and they still want a “multi-polar” world).

    It would also be a risk for the CCP to openly support RusFed with weapons (or even start some kind of a war production program). They are struggling from the lack of growth and would be sanctioned on top of that. Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?
     
    No. But they may believe that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything to respond to Chinese support for Russia.

    China's goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    I don't see China going all out to arm Russia, but rather giving Russia a lot of behind the scenes help like it has been doing so far with the implied threat that if the US places sanctions on China that China can respond by providing Russia with any and all equipment it needs. China (correctly, imo) calculates that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything other than just accept this humiliation. I mean, come on, Biden is gonna sanction China? That would cause a huge economic hit to the United States and would be extremely unpopular with the Democrat's big donors. Further, the US knows that it would lose a proxy war against China and that the loss of this war would lead to the guaranteed fall of Taiwan once Ukraine was defeated.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine. The longer this conflict drags on, the less the US can permit Ukraine to fall. But Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. Russian territorial gains would remain unrecognized not only by the West but by most non aligned states as well, China included. Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    Replies: @Sean

  261. Seriously, has anyone from western countries ever actually heard of any “Ukrainian” community, culture, festival or language or anything else from this fake diaspora in their country before 2014, or even since only last year?

    I have NEVER heard ANYTHING about this fake group from any western locals before

    The excellent Mikhael/Mr Averko is a genius on such issues – maybe you can even inform on how many Banderetards in US and Canada there actually are?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Gerard1234

    There is a Bandera memorial in New Jersey. The CIA imported hundreds of Ukrainians after WWII to wage cold war. Victoria Nuland has always been tight with these idiots.

    Replies: @QCIC

  262. @QCIC
    @A123

    I think Fair Trade is a bad example to make your point. Many people intrigued by Fair Trade notions think it goes beyond fairness as they are concerned that crimes and immoral acts are being perpetrated to create the product. In any given case it is difficult to know if this is true, but it should not be considered optional.

    I realize that Fair Trade and similar bandwagons may be rolled up with various other aspects (communism, etc.) which blur the facts.

    It is a challenge for free exchange, especially with fungible products.

    I know nothing about ESG.

    PS: Good chocolate is one of the key food groups, I'm not sure how anyone considers it a "luxury"...

    Replies: @A123

    I know nothing about ESG.

    Like most progressive policies, ESG is horrifying dogma locked on a path towards certain disaster. It is anti-American deception that pretends to be socially conscious. (1)

    The ‘ESG’ Scam Rates Slave-Using Chinese Firms Higher Than Clean American Energy Producers

    Expecting publicly traded companies to do more than simply return shareholder value — their fiduciary responsibility — is a fairly new development in Western capitalism. The idea that corporate leadership and shareholders should explicitly care about environmental, social, and corporate governance (known as ESG) issues beyond how they might affect the bottom line has been around for only about 30 years.

    But now, ESG investing has become a big driver in steering capital to corporations deemed to be good stewards of subjective principles. By 2025, financial management firms that claim to invest with ESG principles are projected to account for $50 trillion of a total global value of $140.5 trillion — more than a third of managed investments.

    Ben M. “Bud” Brigham, founder and executive chairman of Brigham Minerals and other energy companies, has been an ESG skeptic for years. He tells me that “companies innovating in free markets strive to create value for their owners which benefit all the legitimate stakeholders. This is empirically validated in America, where we enjoy unprecedented levels of clean air and clean water compared to other major economies. In contrast, ESG investing — a relatively subjective exercise — often represents the influence of illegitimate stakeholders, and therefore ends up being irresponsible, destructive, and counter to its stated goals.”

    So, here’s the bottom line from the self-righteous global elites: Chinese-government-owned coal, fine; Chinese slave-provisioned solar power, good; Chinese state-owned natural gas, better; American domestic natural gas and oil, terrible.

    Voluntarily screwing up your personal return by picking bad (but CCP green), investments is a luxury.

    Damaging U.S. industry by making energy more expensive is sedition, possibly treason. Decreasing already precarious retirement by government mandating ESG into 401-K investments is entirely involuntary.

    The “E” in ESG is actually for “Evil”.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://thefederalist.com/2022/06/28/the-esg-scam-rates-slave-using-chinese-firms-higher-than-clean-american-energy-producers/

  263. @Ivashka the fool
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    The Chinese university will be a safe space for the bright minds of a country to get an engineering and science education without cultural Marxist indoctrination.
     
    And they would learn writing the 14 Words in Chinese...

    我們必須確保我們人民的生存和白人兒童的未來

    That's an 88th level of trolling.

    Admirable...

    😏

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    白人

    白人 is still associated with 白人至上. And basically all Chinese can discern the R1a vs. R1b distinction.

    I would use the term 战斗民族 kämpfendes Volk. It’s really an affectionate term and some Chinese people will find it hilarious that you know it.

    Russian girl fenhong explains why 战斗民族 have no fear of Covid–

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yeah I've heard of Чжандо минзу - suits us well. I'll take it.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/B%C3%A5tformig_skafth%C3%A5lsyxa%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg/240px-B%C3%A5tformig_skafth%C3%A5lsyxa%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg

    And it's true that most among us don't care much about Covid. I actually feel some compassion when I see young and fit East Asians wearing masks outside, even though several studies in peer reviewed journals have demonstrated that most masks are completely useless.

    Was discussing it with one of my sons while on a walk downtown, and he told me : "they do it out of respect for others". I asked him : "would you too do it out of respect, even if you knew that it is useless?" He answered: "if I was in their country, I would. So that I don't frighten or alienate them."

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Лучше один раз увидеть чем десять раз услышать:

    https://youtu.be/TugA8l4kbis

    The anthropology of drift...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  264. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool


    白人

     

    白人 is still associated with 白人至上. And basically all Chinese can discern the R1a vs. R1b distinction.

    I would use the term 战斗民族 kämpfendes Volk. It's really an affectionate term and some Chinese people will find it hilarious that you know it.

    Russian girl fenhong explains why 战斗民族 have no fear of Covid--

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnGTeiRd4U

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Yeah I’ve heard of Чжандо минзу – suits us well. I’ll take it.

    And it’s true that most among us don’t care much about Covid. I actually feel some compassion when I see young and fit East Asians wearing masks outside, even though several studies in peer reviewed journals have demonstrated that most masks are completely useless.

    Was discussing it with one of my sons while on a walk downtown, and he told me : “they do it out of respect for others”. I asked him : “would you too do it out of respect, even if you knew that it is useless?” He answered: “if I was in their country, I would. So that I don’t frighten or alienate them.”

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    East Asians wearing masks outside

    I'm frustrated by this as well. Although for the Japanese it tends to be a communitarian concern to not infect others, so masks were prevalent long before Covid. For Chinese a lot of it does boil down to hypochondria and obedience.

    I'll share an explanation here about why Germans are not called 战斗民族 zhàndòumínzú, despite also known for being involved in wars,


    As for Germany, have we heard similarities about the life of the German people and 战斗民族?

    Most descriptions of Germans should be of the rigid and rigorous Hans type. Dalinzi* was proficient in drinking and smoking, and distributed vodka to the troops, but Führer was a vegetarian all year round and pays attention to self-care, strictly controlling the smoking of the troops... This folkway does not match the style of 战斗民族

    The first time Russians heard the term 战斗民族, they were confused. They thought it was a one-sided understanding of the Russian nation. The fact is indeed the case. Could it be that Maozi** knows nothing but fighting?

    "What kind of nation was fascism trying to destroy? Kutuzov and Suvorov, Pushkin and Tolstoy, Repin and Surikov, Chernyshevsky and Stanislavsky, Glinka and Tchaikovsky...the nation of these great figures..." This is Dalinzi's own evaluation. What proportion of these outstanding figures of the Russian nation are military strategists? When we listen to Tchaikovsky's music, watch Russian ballet, read Pushkin's poems and Leo Tolstoy's masterpieces, we will simply think that this is a 战斗民族 that only knows how to fight?

    When we know that the Soviet Union counted the guarantee of watching theater performances in the social welfare system, and when we see that Russians during the economic shock period often went to watch musicals and ballets in groups, we will simply think that this is a merely a 战斗民族 that can fight?
     

    https://www.zhihu.com/question/48628936

    *Nickname for Stalin
    **Maozi 毛子 "hairy ones" is another nickname for Russians, but I didn't think you'd mind 😉

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  265. @Greasy William
    @QCIC

    Unlike Russia, China has an advanced electronics industry. They are behind Russia in jet engine technology but ahead of Russia in every other field. China has been prepping for a hot war with the US for decades whereas the Russian military is mainly for bullying Russia's hapless neighbors.

    China is a basket case in its own right, I'm even more skeptical about China long term than I am about Russia, but the US is so degenerate and gay that a China/Russia alliance could conceivably defeat it.

    Replies: @QCIC

    China is coming along, but I think they are still 90% copy, 10% figure it out on their own. With 10X the people they may be OK, but if they have 1/10 the innovation, maybe not. Time will tell.

    They seem to be behind Russia in many fields, but I agree they have ridden the Western microelectronics boom which Russia completely missed, other than sending loads of smart people to help out in the West. Russia is still catching up with the Soviet Union in some areas, but has advanced in others.

    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @QCIC


    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.
     
    I'm not familiar. What can you tell me about it?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @War Observer
    @QCIC

    China is now far ahead of Russia. There will be a multipolar world (bipolar if we want to be specific), and Russia will not be a part of it. Expect China to fill in the void left by Russia in the arms market. More neautral NATO countries like France will also benefit. At least countries know that China won't start an ill-planned war, get stuck for the foreseeable future and commandeer the weapons you paid for to use for itself.

    Really pathetic to see turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN exhorting the strength of Russia while safely living in the West, at least Karlin repatriated to Russia which I respect him for, he put his money where his mouth is.



    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1610679194413076480

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1622633889314250752

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

  266. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool


    白人

     

    白人 is still associated with 白人至上. And basically all Chinese can discern the R1a vs. R1b distinction.

    I would use the term 战斗民族 kämpfendes Volk. It's really an affectionate term and some Chinese people will find it hilarious that you know it.

    Russian girl fenhong explains why 战斗民族 have no fear of Covid--

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnGTeiRd4U

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Лучше один раз увидеть чем десять раз услышать:

    The anthropology of drift…

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Ivashka the fool



    https://twitter.com/thind_akashdeep/status/1628683416744128512

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777361459130138627/1078335842923315200/E9E54D44-604D-4BB6-8155-E56B8E533399.jpg

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777361459130138627/1078380242252599447/Screenshot_20230223-234642_Twitter.jpg?width=720&height=400

    Read your comments on Bell Beakers & others. Found it interesting, and take back what I said since you admit they were darker & became light after - along with other Slavic commentators who spoke about the Baltic phenotype etc. Was wrong about you being a Nordicist or Wignat. Won't be friends with one who eats beef though.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  267. @Gerard1234
    Seriously, has anyone from western countries ever actually heard of any "Ukrainian" community, culture, festival or language or anything else from this fake diaspora in their country before 2014, or even since only last year?

    I have NEVER heard ANYTHING about this fake group from any western locals before

    The excellent Mikhael/Mr Averko is a genius on such issues - maybe you can even inform on how many Banderetards in US and Canada there actually are?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a Bandera memorial in New Jersey. The CIA imported hundreds of Ukrainians after WWII to wage cold war. Victoria Nuland has always been tight with these idiots.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is an article about the New Jersey Bandera connection here:

    https://www.historicly.net/p/a-nazi-memorial-in-new-jersey

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  268. @War Observer
    @Sean

    Yes, I've seen this. I linked it back in comment 61.. And one has to remember this is just one day's worth of dead, in one sector of the front and the bodies of only those that were managed to be extracted from the killing zone.

    The Russians are dying for Chinese interests at the end of the day.

    In other news:


    "China adheres to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine. China does not recognize the DPR, LPR, etc." - Chinese Deputy Representative to the UN.
     
    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don't subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against "American hegemony" as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China.

    Replies: @Sean

    I think the original photos of a battlefeild strewn with Russian (Wagner) show the Western take on Russia’s KIA is greatly exaggerated, just as Iran’s were in the Iran-Iraq war. The Ukrainian ought to have scores of such photos but there is just that one. Where is the drone footage of these human waves, it would be great propaganda.

    At the end of the day, I think the Chinese don’t subscribe to this Axis of Resentment style of politics that Russian elite do, they just want to trade, get rich and not rock the boat too much beyond giving some mildly militant statements against “American hegemony” as PR to attract the Global South countries towards China

    China’s military spending is remaining stable at 2%. But their economy is growing, In a generation America will need very much higher military spending and an alliance with Russia to deal with China militarily. Economically, I don’t see how China can be contained at all, and that is why they are sticking to economic growth. It will be the West that does not like the ‘rules based order’ where China plays by the rules and wins hands down.

  269. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    2. China seems to slowly be coming around to providing Russia with backing
     
    There is nothing concrete there yet. Is this some Chinese game to put pressure on the West to further their own agendas?

    First, China stressed quite clearly that they believe "territorial integrity" should be respected. It is not clear from the recent visit to Moscow whether China and Russia are on the same page here (it doesn't appear so, it's more that China simply doesn't want the US to prevail and become stronger and they still want a "multi-polar" world).

    It would also be a risk for the CCP to openly support RusFed with weapons (or even start some kind of a war production program). They are struggling from the lack of growth and would be sanctioned on top of that. Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?

    No. But they may believe that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything to respond to Chinese support for Russia.

    China’s goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    I don’t see China going all out to arm Russia, but rather giving Russia a lot of behind the scenes help like it has been doing so far with the implied threat that if the US places sanctions on China that China can respond by providing Russia with any and all equipment it needs. China (correctly, imo) calculates that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything other than just accept this humiliation. I mean, come on, Biden is gonna sanction China? That would cause a huge economic hit to the United States and would be extremely unpopular with the Democrat’s big donors. Further, the US knows that it would lose a proxy war against China and that the loss of this war would lead to the guaranteed fall of Taiwan once Ukraine was defeated.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine. The longer this conflict drags on, the less the US can permit Ukraine to fall. But Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. Russian territorial gains would remain unrecognized not only by the West but by most non aligned states as well, China included. Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Greasy William


    China’s goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.
     
    China's burgeoning strength is due to them winning every hand when abiding by the rules based order, so it is most improbable their actions will violate that order. America's might though; everyone is happy to play by the rules whereby they are winning. For most of human history China had been around 30% of global GDP. Whether their share will go past in the decades to come is not knowable, yet it seems far from improbable.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine.
     
    Swift advances by tank drive are a thing of the past (questionable whether they ever were, or a fantasy of military men wishing to cut a dash dash--the advance in NW Europe was dependent of the speeed heady artillery could be mover forward to blast the Germans out of their positions) . Tactical is King. look at the evolving infantry infiltration of Wagner snail's pace methods in Bakhmut accompanied by artillery support that--in a remarkable echo of the fire support of WW1 Sturmtruppen--is far from pinpoint yet intended to paralyze through mass affect rather than destroy opposing forces.

    Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. [...] Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.
     
    They will never ever forget they have to thank the US for that. Throughout the Cold War USSR/ Russia was closer to the US than to China. A complete reversal of that position is a tremendous victory for America? In one generation China alone will be the equal of the US, and assuming Russia is out of the ranks of superpowers they will thirst for revenge for what US did to them. While Russia will try to sic China on the US, it is really difficult to see the US getting into a land war in Asia. There are the islands, most notably Taiwan, and the sea lanes they control, but what Peter Zeihan never explains is now control of those sea lanes can contain the actual and highly successful commercial policy by China that is responsible for its growth. It cannot, they naval presence cannot choke China at all, not unless there is a war. So why on earth would China wish to start a war over islands that are only valuable in a war when doing so would be ceasing to play their strong suite of selling manufactured goods? America will have one generation to stop China by hook or crook and because of the war in Ukraine, were they to act, the US would have to watch their back for a incensed and lurking Russia in any military confrontation with China. After 2050, China will likely be the total equal of America. As De Maistre said hundreds of years ago

    Never is violence stopped by moderation. Never are powers balanced by anything other than contrary forces
     
  270. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    China is coming along, but I think they are still 90% copy, 10% figure it out on their own. With 10X the people they may be OK, but if they have 1/10 the innovation, maybe not. Time will tell.

    They seem to be behind Russia in many fields, but I agree they have ridden the Western microelectronics boom which Russia completely missed, other than sending loads of smart people to help out in the West. Russia is still catching up with the Soviet Union in some areas, but has advanced in others.

    I think the "New Great Wall" Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    I’m not familiar. What can you tell me about it?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    I guess they are now calling it the Underground Great Wall.

    Large numbers of survivable underground nukes to back up a China first strike policy.

    Search on wiki, etc.: Underground Great Wall of China

    I read the Karber report listed a few years ago, I think it is plausible.

  271. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Anybody take them up on it?
     
    I don't know. My guess is that Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain. But I'm sure some must have taken up the offer. A Shengen passport is very convenient for many people. You can settle anywhere in the EU and Spain also has plenty of visa-free travel around the world and lots of bilateral treaties, especially with Latin America.

    My personal view is that Spain didn't gain much long-term by expelling the Jews. Some of them settled in other European countries where they contributed to European culture, like Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England, while Spain was entering a period of cultural decline. But this gesture of grating foreigners citizenship rights based on events that happened half a millennium ago, thus making fellow EU partners be co-responsible for those events, shows how immigration issues are handled in the EU.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Beckow

    …Sephardi Jews still looking to emigrate must find Israel more attractive than Spain.

    They get both. I have not seen the numbers lately, but there was a substantial number that received Spanish passports when it was introduced (L America, Izrael…) The only requirement is religion and a hispanic surname (or close enough). Given the very mixed populations, it is just creative paperwork.

    Spinoza in the Netherlands, or David Ricardo in England

    I recall that they were from Portugal, but I could be wrong. The 16th century expulsion of Jews and Moriscos was one reason Spain declined. But there were others: very top heavy society with an annual colonial tribute, over-extended power projection – invading England, Portugal…, an ideological tailspin to a rigid clericalism…

    By the 17th century too few did what would be considered real work, similar to the US-West today. But the West went ideologically in the exactly opposite direction and tries to maintain vitality with extreme openness…

    The elites consciously try to avoid Spain’s fate, but they are overdoing it: the opposite of a failed policy is not automatically the solution, that would be too easy….

  272. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow


    Your terminology is wrong. Who attacked Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan… thinking it would be a ‘cake walk‘? Are you calling Bush, Blair&Co. tyrants? Tough guys starting wars thinking it would be easy are in all systems, from Queen Victoria to Napoleon and Hitler, and all sides in WW1…
     
    Yes, the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it's own failed adventures across the globe.

    The West always thinks it's materialism and nihilism are just so stupendous and appealing that everyone else will rush to adopt the moment they free them from the malign forces preventing them from doing so. Look at Leaves No Shadows.

    I think you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory of a type that would constitute a real challenge to the world order, even if it's painful and requires sacrifice. And I think this is a blind spot that comes from the particular mentality that is always impressed by the "decadence" of liberal countries, and habitually falls into this particular mistake.

    But of course, events will take their own unpredictable course and we will end up where we will end up, all rhetoric aside.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean, @Beckow

    …the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.

    Ok, we agree. But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about ‘tyrants’ underestimating the enemy to start wars. The recent history has been the opposite. The cliche that you repeated is a favorite unthinking nonsense by many in the West – as if they literally didn’t see what has happened right in front of their eyes.

    you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory…

    Not at all. I simply think that the willingness is not that important by itself – the war will be decided by the real stuff: arms, soldiers, people putting their lives at extreme risk, economy, logistics… The Western willingness is not enough – they clearly will not send a large number of soldiers to risk their lives in the Ukie mud. Russians may not either at some point, but the odds are a lot higher.

    I mostly see rhetoric from the West – banging drums, chest-beating, over-the-top rhetoric. That betrays weakness, fear that if Russia goes fully militaristic they won’t be able to stop it…like scared monkeys they jump, shout and throw feces… if there is an actual need to send soldiers, who will do it? Ukies are not enough in the long run. Or it can be solved with nukes and that is not a good place to be.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Beckow


    But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about ‘tyrants’ underestimating the enemy to start wars
     
    No, it's exactly what I'm saying :)

    Some tough guy type thinks liberal democracies are decadent paper tigers and will fold easily before their mighty masculine prowess - Al Queda, the Taliban, Saddam, various Iraqi insurgents, Hezbollah, Russia - and attacks them. To their shock, the decadent liberal democracies hit back harder than they thought possible.

    On the side of the liberal democracies, there is always another kind of blindness - struck by how much stronger they are than their tough guy masculine enemies, they decide they can do anything, down to "reeducating" the tough guy masculine types into good liberal democrats - control their minds, and reorganize their societies, and be loved and appreciated for it.

    And this always blows up in THEIR face.

    The last 100 years was the West learning again and again - or rather failing to learn - that despite it's overwhelming superiority in military prowess, it can't control people's minds. And the tough guy types similarly learning and failing to learn that the people who connect to their softer side are actually the stronger ones - because they are strong enough for it.

    One imagines the tough guy types shock that they are actually the worse warriors, and the the liberals shock that they can't make people love them.

    Each mentality has its own debilitating blind spot, that it's doomed to repeat endlessly lol.

    Incidentally, Alfred de Custine writing as far back as 1843 with regard to Russia had the astonishing prescience to predict this split in mentality between liberal democracies and tough guy types (it's a great book so far) -

    Russsia...i accordance with its constitutional character, it would represent the principle of order, but influenced by the character of its rulers, it seeks to propagate tyranny under pretext of remedying anarchy; as though arbitrary power could remedy any evil! It is the elements of moral principle that this nation lacks; with its military habits, and its recollections of invasions, it is still occupied with notions of wars of conquest, the most brutal of all wars; whereas the struggles of France and the other Western nations will henceforth assume the character of wars of propagandism.
     
    There you have the contrast that lasts to this day; the liberal West primarily wages wars of propaganda (the US did not want to occupy Afghanistan, but to morally convert it). In other words wars of "moral conversion". The tough guy masculine types wage wars of conquest, which belong to a previous age.

    When he says "it is the moral principle this nation lacks" he doesn't mean they are an immoral people (elsewhere he praises their kindness), he means they do not yet understand the true battle is for men's minds, that the battle is one of "moral persuasion", not brute force..
  273. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @Beckow

    There are not so few people for whom alien abductions at night for the sake of anal probing are happening unquestionably, so such belief in a single blog post with plenty of holes might be similar;)

    A country, which is capable to contaminate its own international pipelines flowing the main source of income like oil, also is more than capable to blow underwater ones due to incompetence too, the malice of any side is not only one explanation left atm.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    That’s just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don’t want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren’t acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it’s crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn’t have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly.

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?
     
    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a "crackpot" idea?
    ____

    If you insist on a sabotage scenario. Explain you theory in more depth by answering these three questions:

    • Why was the time line over 17 hours?
    • Why were the attacks ~80 km apart?
    • Why were only 3 out of 4 pipes hit?

    Does this look like a well planned attack? Really?

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/nord-292x300.jpg
     

    I can, and have, shifted views on this topic. Immediately after the events took place I was suspicious of the Poles, as they had much to gain and little to lose.

    After the details of timing and geography came to light I reevaluated based on those facts which is how I wound up with "accident" as the leading & primary working theory.
    ____

    Let me illustrate where you and Mr. Unz seem to share a common logic problem:

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    That simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably BigPharma) exploit the WUHAN-19 virus? Yes. However, there is no reason to believe that America was directly behind its release from the CCP's labatory at WIV. Mr. Unz cannot get past this which is why he keeps pushing his crackpot theory the virus was stolen from Fort Detrick, or another U.S. facility, and transported to Wuhan.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably Not-The-President Biden's regime) make hay after the NS ruptures? Yes. Claiming unearned credit is a known hallmark of DNC politicians. Do you remember the plagiarism scandal from some years ago. It is not even what they do... It is what Democrats are. There is simply no physical evidence pointing back to current coup regime as the culpruit.
    ___

    Let me reframe your original question. Are you happy to be in the company of total conspiracy nutters like Mr. Unz?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?
     
    Some of the auto racing reports are good so you are exaggerating a little.

    Replies: @A123

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Have no problem accepting facts, which can be called inconvienent truths, just can't wrap head around why this type of "sourced" drivel from not investigating, but parroting journo, is considered as unquestionable evidence, allegedly certainly confirming such truths:


    Today, the secretary general of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.
     
    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    Meanwhile in real life, teenager "commited anti-communist, cooperating with US spies" Stoltenberg during Vietnam era:


    Stoltenberg's first steps into politics came in his early teens, when he was influenced by his sister Camilla, who at the time was a member of the then Marxist–Leninist group Red Youth. Opposition to the Vietnam War was his triggering motivation. Following heavy bombing raids against the North Vietnamese port city of Hai Phong at the end of the Vietnam War, he participated in protest rallies targeting the United States Embassy in Oslo. On at least one occasion embassy windows were broken by stone-throwing protesters. Several of Stoltenberg's friends were arrested by the police after these events.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Stoltenberg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

  274. German_reader says:
    @Philip Owen
    @Jazman

    The tanks are coming. Still not tank weather until May. Mud.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The tanks are coming

    Which tanks are you babbling about? The 14 Challengers? LOL.
    As for the Leopards, it’s clear now that it was never more than a political manouevre, intended to make Germany the scapegoat for Ukrainian reverses. Apparently they didn’t expect Scholz to actually cave in and send tanks…now that he did, even PiS Poland suddenly is talking about problems with sending their Leopards…and mighty Finland has apparently offered to send three (!) special de-mining tanks. Absolute farce. Ukraine will be lucky to get a few dozen Leopards, of different versions at that.

  275. German_reader says:

    I have finished reading another Ukraine-related book (Nicolai N. Petro, The tragedy of Ukraine. What classical Greek tragedy can teach about conflict resolution). Amusingly enough Karlin is cited in it, for his compilation of Crimean opinion polls. Didn’t expect to ever see Unz review referenced in a non-fringe publication, lol.
    As for the book itself, I have mixed feelings. There’s quite a bit about the distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and given the way such arguments are usually deployed in Western societies (promotion of mass immigration, facilitation of blatant ethnocentrism among immigrants, while suppressing any ethnocultural sentiments among the native population) I can’t have much sympathy for them. A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine…with South Africa and Spain given as positive models. Well, South Africa is a dystopian hellhole where Boer farmers regularly are murdered in the most bestial ways imaginable, and in Spain the Left has reneged on the transitional compromise and sought to enshrine its own, highly selective of history in law. So not really much of a success story imo.
    The book is probably also somewhat tendentious regarding events in Ukraine itself (e.g. regarding “Snipergate” during the Euromaidan)…obviously I couldn’t check many of its claims. It’s also been overtaken by events, most of it was written before Russia’s invasion, and the author acknowledges that to some extent. I still think it’s useful though. It has definitely reinforced my view that Ukraine should never be given support in an attempt to re-conquer Crimea or the parts of the Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022. There’s something truly noxious in the political culture of Galicia, and the uncritical embrace of Ukrainian nationalism by the EU (Slava Ukraini and all that shit) is really absurd, either a betrayal of “European values”, or a sign that those were never more than a facade for other interests anyway (maybe quite possible, given the puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine
     
    The T&R main role is to create an approved narrative, it always reflects the ideology of the 'winning' side, as it did in S Africa.

    When I see the distinction between 'patriotism' and 'nationalism' I always stop reading - it is not much more than the ancient tribal thinking - 'when I steal your cow it is good, when you steal my cow it is bad...' It is used to manage simpler people who sense there is something wrong when presented with similar events described in an opposite ways (Kosovo vs. Crimea) Verbal manipulation.


    ...puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?
     
    That was the crux of the matter - the objective was to create a binary choice: Kiev: you are 100% with us or you are 100%v with Russia. That was obviously intentional, the goal was it either to steam-roll over Russia (and its Ukie supporters, Crimea, Donbas,...) or to create this conflict. Well, we have a war because Russia refused to just roll over.

    Wars are horrible and have very bad long-term consequences and they often get people ready for another war. But wars also clarify things, there will be a winner in this war and the odds are that it will Russia: more territory, more power, etc... The problem with intentionally stirring up wars is that at some point the results can come back to haunt you. Every single Nato war adventure in the last 20-25 years has backfired, they lost and were much worse off afterwards. If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them...is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

  276. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Yes, the narcissist is the person who recognises things bigger than them and the person who dismisses everything as sh*t, so as not to have to do this, obviously is very balanced and reasonable.

    Please learn to distinguish between you wanting something to "collapse" and it actually being about to.

    Replies: @Beckow

    We have a saying, the goose will scream when hit…… so do you, bigger better things, but you know the West has peaked. If you prefer, let’s call it a gradual relative collapse…

    Regarding, what I want: peace, prosperity, good life, and no meddling in sovereign states by the know-it-all big guys. And maybe for the culture to be better at entertaining…

    You either don’t acknowledge the recent run of the Western aggression – quite bloody by any standard – and the busy-body obsessive meddling in everything from ‘gender’ to Ukraine, or you like it. You seem to like it, so take the good with the bad.

    In Ukraine the collective West clearly overreached led by the emotional nutcases often referred to as ‘neo-cons’, now they are panicking. You look for any signs that Russia is ‘collapsing’ or that Ukies will beat them on the battlefield. It almost certainly won’t happen – just think. Once it was clear that Russia moved, Kiev-West should had taken the offer of Minsk+…some face saving way to end it and maybe wait to fight another day (when Russia is weak). Your hurrah-patriotism will not get you a better deal.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    If you believe paragraph 1, you can stop the hysteria.

    If you want paragraph 2, you will be delighted when Russian troops return to Russia.

    If paragraph 3 is correct, the "take the good with the bad" is as true for you as it is for me. Or "take the bad with the good" if you prefer!

    And if paragraph 4 is true, I wonder when you predict Russia will be storming into Kharkhiv or Kherson?

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let's be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show. It will be a very different governing apparatus going forward. You probably have less than a year to mentally adjust. Keep this at least at the back of your mind.

    You've admittedly come a long way from your spiteful delusions of last year, where you were ranting about the end of Ukraine etc, but you still have a very long way to go. I suppose I should be hopeful for you. You might trail reality at a long distance, but you do seem to maintain at least that little amount of contact with it.

    Or, you know, go bathe in the anaesthesia of a Ritter or Macgregor video, where the great Russian offensive is always tomorrow, and your enemies will swiftly recognise your genius, and the horror of the reality you've been supporting never has to register in your spotless, amber-soakrd "vision."

    Replies: @Beckow

  277. @German_reader
    I have finished reading another Ukraine-related book (Nicolai N. Petro, The tragedy of Ukraine. What classical Greek tragedy can teach about conflict resolution). Amusingly enough Karlin is cited in it, for his compilation of Crimean opinion polls. Didn't expect to ever see Unz review referenced in a non-fringe publication, lol.
    As for the book itself, I have mixed feelings. There's quite a bit about the distinction between nationalism and patriotism, and given the way such arguments are usually deployed in Western societies (promotion of mass immigration, facilitation of blatant ethnocentrism among immigrants, while suppressing any ethnocultural sentiments among the native population) I can't have much sympathy for them. A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine...with South Africa and Spain given as positive models. Well, South Africa is a dystopian hellhole where Boer farmers regularly are murdered in the most bestial ways imaginable, and in Spain the Left has reneged on the transitional compromise and sought to enshrine its own, highly selective of history in law. So not really much of a success story imo.
    The book is probably also somewhat tendentious regarding events in Ukraine itself (e.g. regarding "Snipergate" during the Euromaidan)...obviously I couldn't check many of its claims. It's also been overtaken by events, most of it was written before Russia's invasion, and the author acknowledges that to some extent. I still think it's useful though. It has definitely reinforced my view that Ukraine should never be given support in an attempt to re-conquer Crimea or the parts of the Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022. There's something truly noxious in the political culture of Galicia, and the uncritical embrace of Ukrainian nationalism by the EU (Slava Ukraini and all that shit) is really absurd, either a betrayal of "European values", or a sign that those were never more than a facade for other interests anyway (maybe quite possible, given the puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement...what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine

    The T&R main role is to create an approved narrative, it always reflects the ideology of the ‘winning’ side, as it did in S Africa.

    When I see the distinction between ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ I always stop reading – it is not much more than the ancient tribal thinking – ‘when I steal your cow it is good, when you steal my cow it is bad…‘ It is used to manage simpler people who sense there is something wrong when presented with similar events described in an opposite ways (Kosovo vs. Crimea) Verbal manipulation.

    …puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?

    That was the crux of the matter – the objective was to create a binary choice: Kiev: you are 100% with us or you are 100%v with Russia. That was obviously intentional, the goal was it either to steam-roll over Russia (and its Ukie supporters, Crimea, Donbas,…) or to create this conflict. Well, we have a war because Russia refused to just roll over.

    Wars are horrible and have very bad long-term consequences and they often get people ready for another war. But wars also clarify things, there will be a winner in this war and the odds are that it will Russia: more territory, more power, etc… The problem with intentionally stirring up wars is that at some point the results can come back to haunt you. Every single Nato war adventure in the last 20-25 years has backfired, they lost and were much worse off afterwards. If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them…is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    When is see the distinction between ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ I always stop reading
     
    In the book it's actually meant as a critique of Ukrainian (Galician) nationalism, Petro thinks there should have been a civic patriotism that includes Russophones without telling them to give up their language, view of history etc.
    Of course the argument now is that these fractures no longer matter because of Russia's invasion, which has made Ukrainian Russophones hate Russia and will cause them to voluntarily (?) give up the Russian language, but who knows.

    That was the crux of the matter – the objective was to create a binary choice
     
    Yes, but still, what the hell were the EU people thinking? Were they really crazy enough to think that this kind of geopolitical power play could redound to the EU's benefit? It most certainly hasn't...

    Anyway, depressing as all of this, in the madness there still are some things that can make one laugh, albeit in a bitter way:

    https://twitter.com/NATO/status/1628687961477750790

    German "fact checkers" from public broadcasting seeking to debunk Hersh's Nordstream story, and thinking "to plant C4 charges" has something to do with actual plants like seaweed:
    https://twitter.com/FWarweg/status/1628804418924675072

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them…is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?
     
    The European Empire created this mess for European reasons. The average citizen/worker in Europe will be worse off afterwards due to the number of migrants that entered the EU.

    The people of Ukraine will suffer greatly. Ukraine as a nation will leave the field with much less than the Minsk deal. Zelensky will flee to the EU where he will be rewarded with a life of luxury for services rendered.

    However, I question whether the term "backfired" applies. The European WEF seems to have achieved some of its goals. To them, pushing Ukraine off the edge of a cliff is akin to sacrificing a pawn in chess.

     

    Would anyone like to prognosticate on what "reconstruction" will look like after Zelensky flees & his successor yields.

    From the U.S. -- Expect little. The Big Guy cannot Get His 10% as everything going forward will be audited. Thus there is no incentive for the DNC to fund a Marshall Plan. Losing is bad for 🇺🇦fads🇺🇦 in America. The whole thing will be memory holed and forgotten. Perhaps Samantha Power and USAID will "help".

    From the EU -- There will be efforts, but they will have strings attached. Also, given the energy price driven recession/depression there will be sharp limits on available cash.

    From China -- The big spend. The CCP likes buying farmland and providing debt financing that generates future leverage. Trying to turn Ukraine into a satellite outpost would fit their global strategic plan.

    PEACE 😇
  278. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine
     
    The T&R main role is to create an approved narrative, it always reflects the ideology of the 'winning' side, as it did in S Africa.

    When I see the distinction between 'patriotism' and 'nationalism' I always stop reading - it is not much more than the ancient tribal thinking - 'when I steal your cow it is good, when you steal my cow it is bad...' It is used to manage simpler people who sense there is something wrong when presented with similar events described in an opposite ways (Kosovo vs. Crimea) Verbal manipulation.


    ...puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?
     
    That was the crux of the matter - the objective was to create a binary choice: Kiev: you are 100% with us or you are 100%v with Russia. That was obviously intentional, the goal was it either to steam-roll over Russia (and its Ukie supporters, Crimea, Donbas,...) or to create this conflict. Well, we have a war because Russia refused to just roll over.

    Wars are horrible and have very bad long-term consequences and they often get people ready for another war. But wars also clarify things, there will be a winner in this war and the odds are that it will Russia: more territory, more power, etc... The problem with intentionally stirring up wars is that at some point the results can come back to haunt you. Every single Nato war adventure in the last 20-25 years has backfired, they lost and were much worse off afterwards. If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them...is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    When is see the distinction between ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ I always stop reading

    In the book it’s actually meant as a critique of Ukrainian (Galician) nationalism, Petro thinks there should have been a civic patriotism that includes Russophones without telling them to give up their language, view of history etc.
    Of course the argument now is that these fractures no longer matter because of Russia’s invasion, which has made Ukrainian Russophones hate Russia and will cause them to voluntarily (?) give up the Russian language, but who knows.

    That was the crux of the matter – the objective was to create a binary choice

    Yes, but still, what the hell were the EU people thinking? Were they really crazy enough to think that this kind of geopolitical power play could redound to the EU’s benefit? It most certainly hasn’t…

    Anyway, depressing as all of this, in the madness there still are some things that can make one laugh, albeit in a bitter way:

    [MORE]

    German “fact checkers” from public broadcasting seeking to debunk Hersh’s Nordstream story, and thinking “to plant C4 charges” has something to do with actual plants like seaweed:

  279. Sher Singh says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Лучше один раз увидеть чем десять раз услышать:

    https://youtu.be/TugA8l4kbis

    The anthropology of drift...

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    [MORE]

    Read your comments on Bell Beakers & others. Found it interesting, and take back what I said since you admit they were darker & became light after – along with other Slavic commentators who spoke about the Baltic phenotype etc. Was wrong about you being a Nordicist or Wignat. Won’t be friends with one who eats beef though.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  280. Continuing the discussion from last thread…

    It’s exactly what I wrote in my comments: the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe and therefore the Kurgan hypothesis of “Eastern steppe invaders” being nullified.

    Now the real question is how the BB appeared in Iberian peninsula and on the North African shore. Where did these early Maritime Bell-Beaker folks come from.

    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all. I guess by Bell Beaker person this means a person found with the beakers or other objects related to the complex.

    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269.

    [MORE]

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 . Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell. Eupedia doesn’t seem to share this account of the R-M269 coming out of Iberia for example, it shows it moving West and from the North into Iberia.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all.
     
    This is correct. They only write about archeological finds which show that the Maritime Bell-Beaker folks were the original population (as I have mentioned in my comments) and that the earlier migrations of the BB were along the coasts and major rivers. This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows. Rivers were probably safer as a gateway to a potentially hostile territory.

    OTOH, the authors of the article being unaware of the paleogenetics, leads to some curious conclusions: such as writing that CWC being descended from Yamnaya, which of course is not true. Both populations co-existed in the pontic steppe during late Tripolye period and both later admixed with the Tripolye folks during the downfall of this first European Civilization, both would have been of a similar genetic makeup at their beginnings in Mesolithic Siberia, therefore it is not surprising that they are similar. Doesn't mean R1a descended from R1b, R1a is actually an earlier branch of the Y haplogroup R.


    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269
     
    They would have been M269 and more precisely L11 P310.

    The image for the haplogroup Y R1b tree from Eupedia doesn't display correctly, so I paste the link below adding an X in the beginning to allow you to copy the https://... and to see the tree on your screen if you want to see how the different clades are related.

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.png

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 .
     
    Have a look at the tree, the Iberian R1b are M269 and more precisely DF27 / S250, closely related to the Italo Gaulish R1b M269 U152 / S28. It's basically the same cluster. That would be original stock.

    Other Early Bronze Age Iberian populations would have been not Bell-Beaker folks, but native Old Europe people that the BB ended up dominating, mostly Megalithic Culture folks. So yeah, in the early days of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon, most populations in the Western Europe wouldn't have been Bell-Beaker folks. Then there was the Bell-Beaker complex intrusion, establishing tgrough conquest a social and cultural domination for centuries, and the cultural and genetic "conversion" of the Old Europe people to what would later become Iron Age European populations. But there was an original stock, and then there were the conquered "converted" populations. Think of Islamic Al Andalous or modern day Maghreb, truly Arab lineages were and still are a minority there, and yet most people there self-described for centuries and still see themselves as Arabs (genetically incorrect in 75% of the cases, but culturally very close).

    Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?
     
    R1b is around 10 - 15% in Northern Maghreb, it might have come with Latin settlers and the Vandals, but some of it are possibly of a more ancient origin, perhaps some V88 would be found in the South among the Touareg, but I would think most R1b would be M269. We must keep in mind that the Maghreb has been at the crossroads of the East-West and North-South migrations for millenia, the fact that some ancient clades of R1b would have been lost or utterly diluted there, should not come as a surprise. Anyway, this information is still missing, but it would be interesting to look into this once it is documented.

    About Iberian peninsula, as written above, R1b people there are M269 of the Atlantic Iberian / Italo Gaulish cluster. See the tree for details.

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.
     
    They are already refuted by the fact that earliest Bell-Beaker artifacts are found in the Maghreb and Iberian peninsula well before anything Bell-Beaker appears in the Rhine vicinity. However, the "mature", "stabilized" Bell-Beaker complex was possibly established in the Lower Rhine region. One doesn't contradict the other.

    The Lower Rhine and the Danubian Eastern Bell-Beaker folks would have been heavily admixed with the Old Europe populations and the Corded Ware Culture folks through their maternal side. Each generation would have diluted the original stock that appeared among the Iberian peninsula (Tagus estuary) Maritime Bell-Beaker population and probably was connected to the Northern Maghreb given that this is where the proto-Bell Beaker archeological finds have been located.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell.
     
    Well, the overall origin of Y haplogroup R is Mesolithic Siberia. It always is a question of pinpointing where we start the description of a given population and its cultural package. The Maritime Bell-Beaker folks are the origin of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon. The cultural package seems to originate in Northern Morocco, there is where the most archaic finds were located. How the proto-Bell Beaker people got there is unknown.

    A mystery shrouded in an enigma.

    Although we know how R1b V88 got into Africa, so perhaps something similar might have happened to R1b M269 ancestral to the Bell-Beaker folks. But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    That's quite a combo as ancestry goes.

    (Just kidding).

    🙂

    Replies: @S, @Coconuts

  281. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    China is coming along, but I think they are still 90% copy, 10% figure it out on their own. With 10X the people they may be OK, but if they have 1/10 the innovation, maybe not. Time will tell.

    They seem to be behind Russia in many fields, but I agree they have ridden the Western microelectronics boom which Russia completely missed, other than sending loads of smart people to help out in the West. Russia is still catching up with the Soviet Union in some areas, but has advanced in others.

    I think the "New Great Wall" Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @War Observer

    China is now far ahead of Russia. There will be a multipolar world (bipolar if we want to be specific), and Russia will not be a part of it. Expect China to fill in the void left by Russia in the arms market. More neautral NATO countries like France will also benefit. At least countries know that China won’t start an ill-planned war, get stuck for the foreseeable future and commandeer the weapons you paid for to use for itself.

    Really pathetic to see turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN exhorting the strength of Russia while safely living in the West, at least Karlin repatriated to Russia which I respect him for, he put his money where his mouth is.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @War Observer

    If allowed, Russia will do their own thing, they are not trying to be #1. I think they want to be a big fat, heavily-armed porcupine.

    For the technical systems I am familiar with, China has not surpassed Russia military hardware despite receiving lots of help from Russia over the past 30 years. I agree they should soon pass Russia in terms of hardware quality, it would be incompetent if they do not. Time will tell.

    I don't read Chinese so I could be missing some things.

    +++

    All the squawking about Russian tanks is weird. They are obviously using these tanks in a way that is risky. I don't know if this is intentional and overly optimistic, incompetent, deceptive or what but the loss of these tanks has more to do with the tactics than the equipment, IMO.

    All the players have known for a long time that tanks are vulnerable to top attack from NLAWS, 30 mm cannon fire and other weapons. All tanks are vulnerable to mines.

    Like everyone else, Russia will start rolling out more hard kill active protection systems to breath some life back into the metal beasts. Some of the Abrams tanks use the Israel active protection, which I expect evolved from Soviet research.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer


    turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN
     
    I am glad that the likes of you disapprove of me. If any one of your ilk approved of me, I’d be really worried, frantically asking myself “where did I go terribly wrong?”.
  282. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don't want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren't acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it's crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn't have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that's just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly.

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a “crackpot” idea?
    ____

    If you insist on a sabotage scenario. Explain you theory in more depth by answering these three questions:

    • Why was the time line over 17 hours?
    • Why were the attacks ~80 km apart?
    • Why were only 3 out of 4 pipes hit?

    Does this look like a well planned attack? Really?

     

     

    I can, and have, shifted views on this topic. Immediately after the events took place I was suspicious of the Poles, as they had much to gain and little to lose.

    After the details of timing and geography came to light I reevaluated based on those facts which is how I wound up with “accident” as the leading & primary working theory.
    ____

    Let me illustrate where you and Mr. Unz seem to share a common logic problem:

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    That simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably BigPharma) exploit the WUHAN-19 virus? Yes. However, there is no reason to believe that America was directly behind its release from the CCP’s labatory at WIV. Mr. Unz cannot get past this which is why he keeps pushing his crackpot theory the virus was stolen from Fort Detrick, or another U.S. facility, and transported to Wuhan.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably Not-The-President Biden’s regime) make hay after the NS ruptures? Yes. Claiming unearned credit is a known hallmark of DNC politicians. Do you remember the plagiarism scandal from some years ago. It is not even what they do… It is what Democrats are. There is simply no physical evidence pointing back to current coup regime as the culpruit.
    ___

    Let me reframe your original question. Are you happy to be in the company of total conspiracy nutters like Mr. Unz?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123



    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    This simply does not hold up to scrutiny

     

    It's too bad that you're not able to use your own formula of logic and apply it to the situation in Ukraine. I'll spell out #1 explicitly for you, so that you're finally able to understand it all:

    Russia (the aggressor) attacked Ukraine. Ukraine is defending itself.

    Good logic formula, only you've had a long history of being unable to fill in the different players. I hope that this finally helps you put it all together.
  283. @Greasy William
    @QCIC


    I think the “New Great Wall” Chinese underground missile system seems real, but no one at Unz wants to engage on this important topic.
     
    I'm not familiar. What can you tell me about it?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I guess they are now calling it the Underground Great Wall.

    Large numbers of survivable underground nukes to back up a China first strike policy.

    Search on wiki, etc.: Underground Great Wall of China

    I read the Karber report listed a few years ago, I think it is plausible.

  284. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We have a saying, the goose will scream when hit...... so do you, bigger better things, but you know the West has peaked. If you prefer, let's call it a gradual relative collapse...

    Regarding, what I want: peace, prosperity, good life, and no meddling in sovereign states by the know-it-all big guys. And maybe for the culture to be better at entertaining...

    You either don't acknowledge the recent run of the Western aggression - quite bloody by any standard - and the busy-body obsessive meddling in everything from 'gender' to Ukraine, or you like it. You seem to like it, so take the good with the bad.

    In Ukraine the collective West clearly overreached led by the emotional nutcases often referred to as 'neo-cons', now they are panicking. You look for any signs that Russia is 'collapsing' or that Ukies will beat them on the battlefield. It almost certainly won't happen - just think. Once it was clear that Russia moved, Kiev-West should had taken the offer of Minsk+...some face saving way to end it and maybe wait to fight another day (when Russia is weak). Your hurrah-patriotism will not get you a better deal.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    If you believe paragraph 1, you can stop the hysteria.

    If you want paragraph 2, you will be delighted when Russian troops return to Russia.

    If paragraph 3 is correct, the “take the good with the bad” is as true for you as it is for me. Or “take the bad with the good” if you prefer!

    And if paragraph 4 is true, I wonder when you predict Russia will be storming into Kharkhiv or Kherson?

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show. It will be a very different governing apparatus going forward. You probably have less than a year to mentally adjust. Keep this at least at the back of your mind.

    You’ve admittedly come a long way from your spiteful delusions of last year, where you were ranting about the end of Ukraine etc, but you still have a very long way to go. I suppose I should be hopeful for you. You might trail reality at a long distance, but you do seem to maintain at least that little amount of contact with it.

    Or, you know, go bathe in the anaesthesia of a Ritter or Macgregor video, where the great Russian offensive is always tomorrow, and your enemies will swiftly recognise your genius, and the horror of the reality you’ve been supporting never has to register in your spotless, amber-soakrd “vision.”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive. Russia has 20% of Ukraine, we have no way of knowing what their territorial goals were - if they even existed - so you constant refrain about Kharkov is pointless. Why does Russia need Kharkov? Or Kiev?

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved. Spare us the 'high spirit' speeches, the Kiev-Ukraine is smaller, weaker, much smaller economy (30-40%), completely dependent on the West for survival....it lost 5-10 million people, probably permanently.

    You are waiting for the 'Russian offensive' because you have created a narrative that 'Kiev side can never lose!' For that you need constant affirmations of repeated Russian failures, so you invent what they must do and then when it doesn't happen, you scream that they failed. It is unreal in its infantilism.


    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.
     
    Will he? What if he doesn't? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help...

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes - I think they work, let's not take a chance :) - they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let's assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?

    Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

  285. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Gerard1234

    There is a Bandera memorial in New Jersey. The CIA imported hundreds of Ukrainians after WWII to wage cold war. Victoria Nuland has always been tight with these idiots.

    Replies: @QCIC

    There is an article about the New Jersey Bandera connection here:

    https://www.historicly.net/p/a-nazi-memorial-in-new-jersey

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed — a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery
     
    That isn't the one I was thinking about. The one in Ellenville has an annual festival where they have picnic games for the children while they teach them to hate Jews and Commies and Poles and Germans and &c. and &c.

    https://forward.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ellenville-border.png

    https://forward.com/news/462704/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-united-states/

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid. You won't find any pictures of her at these events. They were grooming her for bigness.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  286. @Coconuts
    Continuing the discussion from last thread...

    It’s exactly what I wrote in my comments: the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe and therefore the Kurgan hypothesis of “Eastern steppe invaders” being nullified.

    Now the real question is how the BB appeared in Iberian peninsula and on the North African shore. Where did these early Maritime Bell-Beaker folks come from.
     
    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn't mention genetics at all. I guess by Bell Beaker person this means a person found with the beakers or other objects related to the complex.

    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269.



    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 . Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn't seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell. Eupedia doesn't seem to share this account of the R-M269 coming out of Iberia for example, it shows it moving West and from the North into Iberia.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all.

    This is correct. They only write about archeological finds which show that the Maritime Bell-Beaker folks were the original population (as I have mentioned in my comments) and that the earlier migrations of the BB were along the coasts and major rivers. This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows. Rivers were probably safer as a gateway to a potentially hostile territory.

    OTOH, the authors of the article being unaware of the paleogenetics, leads to some curious conclusions: such as writing that CWC being descended from Yamnaya, which of course is not true. Both populations co-existed in the pontic steppe during late Tripolye period and both later admixed with the Tripolye folks during the downfall of this first European Civilization, both would have been of a similar genetic makeup at their beginnings in Mesolithic Siberia, therefore it is not surprising that they are similar. Doesn’t mean R1a descended from R1b, R1a is actually an earlier branch of the Y haplogroup R.

    [MORE]

    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269

    They would have been M269 and more precisely L11 P310.

    The image for the haplogroup Y R1b tree from Eupedia doesn’t display correctly, so I paste the link below adding an X in the beginning to allow you to copy the https://… and to see the tree on your screen if you want to see how the different clades are related.

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.png

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 .

    Have a look at the tree, the Iberian R1b are M269 and more precisely DF27 / S250, closely related to the Italo Gaulish R1b M269 U152 / S28. It’s basically the same cluster. That would be original stock.

    Other Early Bronze Age Iberian populations would have been not Bell-Beaker folks, but native Old Europe people that the BB ended up dominating, mostly Megalithic Culture folks. So yeah, in the early days of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon, most populations in the Western Europe wouldn’t have been Bell-Beaker folks. Then there was the Bell-Beaker complex intrusion, establishing tgrough conquest a social and cultural domination for centuries, and the cultural and genetic “conversion” of the Old Europe people to what would later become Iron Age European populations. But there was an original stock, and then there were the conquered “converted” populations. Think of Islamic Al Andalous or modern day Maghreb, truly Arab lineages were and still are a minority there, and yet most people there self-described for centuries and still see themselves as Arabs (genetically incorrect in 75% of the cases, but culturally very close).

    Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?

    R1b is around 10 – 15% in Northern Maghreb, it might have come with Latin settlers and the Vandals, but some of it are possibly of a more ancient origin, perhaps some V88 would be found in the South among the Touareg, but I would think most R1b would be M269. We must keep in mind that the Maghreb has been at the crossroads of the East-West and North-South migrations for millenia, the fact that some ancient clades of R1b would have been lost or utterly diluted there, should not come as a surprise. Anyway, this information is still missing, but it would be interesting to look into this once it is documented.

    About Iberian peninsula, as written above, R1b people there are M269 of the Atlantic Iberian / Italo Gaulish cluster. See the tree for details.

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.

    They are already refuted by the fact that earliest Bell-Beaker artifacts are found in the Maghreb and Iberian peninsula well before anything Bell-Beaker appears in the Rhine vicinity. However, the “mature”, “stabilized” Bell-Beaker complex was possibly established in the Lower Rhine region. One doesn’t contradict the other.

    The Lower Rhine and the Danubian Eastern Bell-Beaker folks would have been heavily admixed with the Old Europe populations and the Corded Ware Culture folks through their maternal side. Each generation would have diluted the original stock that appeared among the Iberian peninsula (Tagus estuary) Maritime Bell-Beaker population and probably was connected to the Northern Maghreb given that this is where the proto-Bell Beaker archeological finds have been located.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell.

    Well, the overall origin of Y haplogroup R is Mesolithic Siberia. It always is a question of pinpointing where we start the description of a given population and its cultural package. The Maritime Bell-Beaker folks are the origin of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon. The cultural package seems to originate in Northern Morocco, there is where the most archaic finds were located. How the proto-Bell Beaker people got there is unknown.

    A mystery shrouded in an enigma.

    Although we know how R1b V88 got into Africa, so perhaps something similar might have happened to R1b M269 ancestral to the Bell-Beaker folks. But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    That’s quite a combo as ancestry goes.

    (Just kidding).

    🙂

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows.
     
    Out of curiosity I've been trying to find the background story behind the 1969 Polanski London townhouse painting below for some time now, but with few results.

    A depiction of a Bronze Age Tollense River like battle/massacre would fit the bill. [And, yes, the two subjects of the painting do bear an uncanny resemblance to Charles Manson and his chief lieutenant, Tex Watson. Sharon Tate is pictured in the foreground.]



    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WYS0PpO2CGA/XeU9p8hhQbI/AAAAAAACKSY/SQguvdwPTpgnr7Ge-sRLLYoM9VGbwmjjgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/sharon-tate-8.jpg

    'Their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims.'

    'The new study suggests that a group of bandits had robbed and then “mercilessly slaughtered… a group of diverse vendors passing through the region, likely to set up a market, and some were travelling in a large caravan.”

    'Europe’s oldest massacre shares similarities with the haunting and unforgettably violent Episode 4, Season 6 of The Walking Dead. In this episode, one group of survivalists ambushed another, and their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims with a baseball bat.'

    'Among the weapons found at the Tollense battlefield was an ash wood club “in the shape of a baseball bat” and another "mallet shaped stick,” made from a sloe bush (Prunus spinosa) branch . Today, both species of wood are still prized for their elasticity and strength.'
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.
     
    I tend to associate interest in this topic in the West with interest in Aryanism and 'Pan-German' or WN perspectives, outside of academics and people with some special interests in archaeology.

    Would they mind the Waffen SS/Conquistador behaviour? The part about African origins or dusky complexions would be less appealing probably, maybe the race mixing on that scale would be a problem too.

    The Woke might be interested in terms of putting genocide at the origins of the West, OTOH the genetics part would be less welcome and the theory might have an 'overkill' feel about it. If these R1b were dark and came from Africa, there is another problem.

    I think you might have caught the attention of Mikel and me with the BB/R1b theory because of its potential relevance to high R1b populations like the Irish and Basques. The theory reminds me in some way of what I have read about Pan-Slavist ideas of 'The West'. I think these are only going to be interesting for people from Western countries further West than Germany up to a certain point. The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia's and the Post-Soviet area.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  287. @War Observer
    @QCIC

    China is now far ahead of Russia. There will be a multipolar world (bipolar if we want to be specific), and Russia will not be a part of it. Expect China to fill in the void left by Russia in the arms market. More neautral NATO countries like France will also benefit. At least countries know that China won't start an ill-planned war, get stuck for the foreseeable future and commandeer the weapons you paid for to use for itself.

    Really pathetic to see turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN exhorting the strength of Russia while safely living in the West, at least Karlin repatriated to Russia which I respect him for, he put his money where his mouth is.



    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1610679194413076480

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1622633889314250752

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    If allowed, Russia will do their own thing, they are not trying to be #1. I think they want to be a big fat, heavily-armed porcupine.

    For the technical systems I am familiar with, China has not surpassed Russia military hardware despite receiving lots of help from Russia over the past 30 years. I agree they should soon pass Russia in terms of hardware quality, it would be incompetent if they do not. Time will tell.

    I don’t read Chinese so I could be missing some things.

    +++

    All the squawking about Russian tanks is weird. They are obviously using these tanks in a way that is risky. I don’t know if this is intentional and overly optimistic, incompetent, deceptive or what but the loss of these tanks has more to do with the tactics than the equipment, IMO.

    All the players have known for a long time that tanks are vulnerable to top attack from NLAWS, 30 mm cannon fire and other weapons. All tanks are vulnerable to mines.

    Like everyone else, Russia will start rolling out more hard kill active protection systems to breath some life back into the metal beasts. Some of the Abrams tanks use the Israel active protection, which I expect evolved from Soviet research.

  288. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...A core thesis of the book is that some kind of Truth and Reconciliation commission could be a solution for Ukraine
     
    The T&R main role is to create an approved narrative, it always reflects the ideology of the 'winning' side, as it did in S Africa.

    When I see the distinction between 'patriotism' and 'nationalism' I always stop reading - it is not much more than the ancient tribal thinking - 'when I steal your cow it is good, when you steal my cow it is bad...' It is used to manage simpler people who sense there is something wrong when presented with similar events described in an opposite ways (Kosovo vs. Crimea) Verbal manipulation.


    ...puzzling behaviour of EU negotiatiors during the negotiations for the EU association agreement…what the hell did they think they were doing when setting such an impossible choice before Ukraine?
     
    That was the crux of the matter - the objective was to create a binary choice: Kiev: you are 100% with us or you are 100%v with Russia. That was obviously intentional, the goal was it either to steam-roll over Russia (and its Ukie supporters, Crimea, Donbas,...) or to create this conflict. Well, we have a war because Russia refused to just roll over.

    Wars are horrible and have very bad long-term consequences and they often get people ready for another war. But wars also clarify things, there will be a winner in this war and the odds are that it will Russia: more territory, more power, etc... The problem with intentionally stirring up wars is that at some point the results can come back to haunt you. Every single Nato war adventure in the last 20-25 years has backfired, they lost and were much worse off afterwards. If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them...is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    If Kiev gets worse deal than Minsk the war has been a loss for them…is anyone seriously thinking that Kiev will even get something like the Minsk deal again?

    The European Empire created this mess for European reasons. The average citizen/worker in Europe will be worse off afterwards due to the number of migrants that entered the EU.

    The people of Ukraine will suffer greatly. Ukraine as a nation will leave the field with much less than the Minsk deal. Zelensky will flee to the EU where he will be rewarded with a life of luxury for services rendered.

    However, I question whether the term “backfired” applies. The European WEF seems to have achieved some of its goals. To them, pushing Ukraine off the edge of a cliff is akin to sacrificing a pawn in chess.

    Would anyone like to prognosticate on what “reconstruction” will look like after Zelensky flees & his successor yields.

    From the U.S. — Expect little. The Big Guy cannot Get His 10% as everything going forward will be audited. Thus there is no incentive for the DNC to fund a Marshall Plan. Losing is bad for 🇺🇦fads🇺🇦 in America. The whole thing will be memory holed and forgotten. Perhaps Samantha Power and USAID will “help”.

    From the EU — There will be efforts, but they will have strings attached. Also, given the energy price driven recession/depression there will be sharp limits on available cash.

    From China — The big spend. The CCP likes buying farmland and providing debt financing that generates future leverage. Trying to turn Ukraine into a satellite outpost would fit their global strategic plan.

    PEACE 😇

  289. Machine translated from Pavel Priannikov’s Telegram channel with minor corrections:

    I have just found about an interesting Soviet plan to “overcome the division of Israel into two nations”:
    “Soviet leadership tried to keep Israel in its orbit of of influence, helping with weapons, as well as with an unprecedented proposal to resettle all Palestinian Arab refugees (over 500 thousand people) to Soviet Central Asia and create an Arab Soviet Union Republic or an autonomous region of Palestinian Arabs there. Such a proposal was made in the autumn of 1948 in the UN Security Council by the Soviet representative D. Z. Manuilsky. However, it did not evoke the expected reaction from the United States.”

    • Thanks: A123
  290. @Beckow
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    ...the West certainly suffers from its own version of debilitating autism that leads it to it’s own failed adventures across the globe.
     
    Ok, we agree. But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about 'tyrants' underestimating the enemy to start wars. The recent history has been the opposite. The cliche that you repeated is a favorite unthinking nonsense by many in the West - as if they literally didn't see what has happened right in front of their eyes.

    you are vastly underestimating the willingness of the West to do what it takes to prevent an outright and significant Russian victory...
     
    Not at all. I simply think that the willingness is not that important by itself - the war will be decided by the real stuff: arms, soldiers, people putting their lives at extreme risk, economy, logistics... The Western willingness is not enough - they clearly will not send a large number of soldiers to risk their lives in the Ukie mud. Russians may not either at some point, but the odds are a lot higher.

    I mostly see rhetoric from the West - banging drums, chest-beating, over-the-top rhetoric. That betrays weakness, fear that if Russia goes fully militaristic they won't be able to stop it...like scared monkeys they jump, shout and throw feces... if there is an actual need to send soldiers, who will do it? Ukies are not enough in the long run. Or it can be solved with nukes and that is not a good place to be.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    But it kind of says exactly the opposite of that you claimed earlier about ‘tyrants’ underestimating the enemy to start wars

    No, it’s exactly what I’m saying 🙂

    Some tough guy type thinks liberal democracies are decadent paper tigers and will fold easily before their mighty masculine prowess – Al Queda, the Taliban, Saddam, various Iraqi insurgents, Hezbollah, Russia – and attacks them. To their shock, the decadent liberal democracies hit back harder than they thought possible.

    On the side of the liberal democracies, there is always another kind of blindness – struck by how much stronger they are than their tough guy masculine enemies, they decide they can do anything, down to “reeducating” the tough guy masculine types into good liberal democrats – control their minds, and reorganize their societies, and be loved and appreciated for it.

    And this always blows up in THEIR face.

    The last 100 years was the West learning again and again – or rather failing to learn – that despite it’s overwhelming superiority in military prowess, it can’t control people’s minds. And the tough guy types similarly learning and failing to learn that the people who connect to their softer side are actually the stronger ones – because they are strong enough for it.

    One imagines the tough guy types shock that they are actually the worse warriors, and the the liberals shock that they can’t make people love them.

    Each mentality has its own debilitating blind spot, that it’s doomed to repeat endlessly lol.

    Incidentally, Alfred de Custine writing as far back as 1843 with regard to Russia had the astonishing prescience to predict this split in mentality between liberal democracies and tough guy types (it’s a great book so far) –

    Russsia…i accordance with its constitutional character, it would represent the principle of order, but influenced by the character of its rulers, it seeks to propagate tyranny under pretext of remedying anarchy; as though arbitrary power could remedy any evil! It is the elements of moral principle that this nation lacks; with its military habits, and its recollections of invasions, it is still occupied with notions of wars of conquest, the most brutal of all wars; whereas the struggles of France and the other Western nations will henceforth assume the character of wars of propagandism.

    There you have the contrast that lasts to this day; the liberal West primarily wages wars of propaganda (the US did not want to occupy Afghanistan, but to morally convert it). In other words wars of “moral conversion”. The tough guy masculine types wage wars of conquest, which belong to a previous age.

    When he says “it is the moral principle this nation lacks” he doesn’t mean they are an immoral people (elsewhere he praises their kindness), he means they do not yet understand the true battle is for men’s minds, that the battle is one of “moral persuasion”, not brute force..

  291. Speaking of the Русский Мир, aka RusFed.

    Tigran Hachikian, an Armenian, who moved to Piter from Uzbekistan (yes I know, it’s weird), has just tried to attack cops near a downtown metro station.

    He was disarmed by a cop who got badly wounded in the process.

    The terrorist supposedly put the Soviet World War II hymn : “Rise up o mighty land !” on a Bluetooth speaker while he was preparing his weapons (two rifles, molotov cocktails etc.)

    Probably some Internationalist commie extremist who wanted to “celebrate” the anniversary of the war in Ukraine.

    https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/7919

  292. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all.
     
    This is correct. They only write about archeological finds which show that the Maritime Bell-Beaker folks were the original population (as I have mentioned in my comments) and that the earlier migrations of the BB were along the coasts and major rivers. This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows. Rivers were probably safer as a gateway to a potentially hostile territory.

    OTOH, the authors of the article being unaware of the paleogenetics, leads to some curious conclusions: such as writing that CWC being descended from Yamnaya, which of course is not true. Both populations co-existed in the pontic steppe during late Tripolye period and both later admixed with the Tripolye folks during the downfall of this first European Civilization, both would have been of a similar genetic makeup at their beginnings in Mesolithic Siberia, therefore it is not surprising that they are similar. Doesn't mean R1a descended from R1b, R1a is actually an earlier branch of the Y haplogroup R.


    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269
     
    They would have been M269 and more precisely L11 P310.

    The image for the haplogroup Y R1b tree from Eupedia doesn't display correctly, so I paste the link below adding an X in the beginning to allow you to copy the https://... and to see the tree on your screen if you want to see how the different clades are related.

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.png

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 .
     
    Have a look at the tree, the Iberian R1b are M269 and more precisely DF27 / S250, closely related to the Italo Gaulish R1b M269 U152 / S28. It's basically the same cluster. That would be original stock.

    Other Early Bronze Age Iberian populations would have been not Bell-Beaker folks, but native Old Europe people that the BB ended up dominating, mostly Megalithic Culture folks. So yeah, in the early days of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon, most populations in the Western Europe wouldn't have been Bell-Beaker folks. Then there was the Bell-Beaker complex intrusion, establishing tgrough conquest a social and cultural domination for centuries, and the cultural and genetic "conversion" of the Old Europe people to what would later become Iron Age European populations. But there was an original stock, and then there were the conquered "converted" populations. Think of Islamic Al Andalous or modern day Maghreb, truly Arab lineages were and still are a minority there, and yet most people there self-described for centuries and still see themselves as Arabs (genetically incorrect in 75% of the cases, but culturally very close).

    Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?
     
    R1b is around 10 - 15% in Northern Maghreb, it might have come with Latin settlers and the Vandals, but some of it are possibly of a more ancient origin, perhaps some V88 would be found in the South among the Touareg, but I would think most R1b would be M269. We must keep in mind that the Maghreb has been at the crossroads of the East-West and North-South migrations for millenia, the fact that some ancient clades of R1b would have been lost or utterly diluted there, should not come as a surprise. Anyway, this information is still missing, but it would be interesting to look into this once it is documented.

    About Iberian peninsula, as written above, R1b people there are M269 of the Atlantic Iberian / Italo Gaulish cluster. See the tree for details.

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.
     
    They are already refuted by the fact that earliest Bell-Beaker artifacts are found in the Maghreb and Iberian peninsula well before anything Bell-Beaker appears in the Rhine vicinity. However, the "mature", "stabilized" Bell-Beaker complex was possibly established in the Lower Rhine region. One doesn't contradict the other.

    The Lower Rhine and the Danubian Eastern Bell-Beaker folks would have been heavily admixed with the Old Europe populations and the Corded Ware Culture folks through their maternal side. Each generation would have diluted the original stock that appeared among the Iberian peninsula (Tagus estuary) Maritime Bell-Beaker population and probably was connected to the Northern Maghreb given that this is where the proto-Bell Beaker archeological finds have been located.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell.
     
    Well, the overall origin of Y haplogroup R is Mesolithic Siberia. It always is a question of pinpointing where we start the description of a given population and its cultural package. The Maritime Bell-Beaker folks are the origin of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon. The cultural package seems to originate in Northern Morocco, there is where the most archaic finds were located. How the proto-Bell Beaker people got there is unknown.

    A mystery shrouded in an enigma.

    Although we know how R1b V88 got into Africa, so perhaps something similar might have happened to R1b M269 ancestral to the Bell-Beaker folks. But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    That's quite a combo as ancestry goes.

    (Just kidding).

    🙂

    Replies: @S, @Coconuts

    This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows.

    Out of curiosity I’ve been trying to find the background story behind the 1969 Polanski London townhouse painting below for some time now, but with few results.

    A depiction of a Bronze Age Tollense River like battle/massacre would fit the bill. [And, yes, the two subjects of the painting do bear an uncanny resemblance to Charles Manson and his chief lieutenant, Tex Watson. Sharon Tate is pictured in the foreground.]

    [MORE]

    ‘Their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims.’

    ‘The new study suggests that a group of bandits had robbed and then “mercilessly slaughtered… a group of diverse vendors passing through the region, likely to set up a market, and some were travelling in a large caravan.”

    ‘Europe’s oldest massacre shares similarities with the haunting and unforgettably violent Episode 4, Season 6 of The Walking Dead. In this episode, one group of survivalists ambushed another, and their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims with a baseball bat.’

    ‘Among the weapons found at the Tollense battlefield was an ash wood club “in the shape of a baseball bat” and another “mallet shaped stick,” made from a sloe bush (Prunus spinosa) branch . Today, both species of wood are still prized for their elasticity and strength.’

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as "robbers" attacking a "peaceful merchants caravan". Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : "Just what are they hiding ?"

    Well, it's easy to understand if one pays attention...

    Replies: @A123, @S

  293. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is an article about the New Jersey Bandera connection here:

    https://www.historicly.net/p/a-nazi-memorial-in-new-jersey

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed — a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery

    That isn’t the one I was thinking about. The one in Ellenville has an annual festival where they have picnic games for the children while they teach them to hate Jews and Commies and Poles and Germans and &c. and &c.

    https://forward.com/news/462704/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-united-states/

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid. You won’t find any pictures of her at these events. They were grooming her for bigness.

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid.
     
    She couldn't have joined even if she wanted. Vicky Nuland is of Jewish ancestry, the Ukrainian nationalist's love affair with the Jewish lobby is a very recent thing. For most part of their history, Ukrainian nationalists were "The Pogromists" par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal - the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

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  294. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    China’s peace “plan” sounds like a Miss Universe beauty contest answer. How they got their reputation among some as a diplomatically intelligent country, I’ll never know. This list is meaningless and can be interpreted in every single way.

    Doubltess some Putin shill here will try. A sort of “see, if I give it my incredibly biased interpretation then it justified everything I’ve ever said.”

    But really, this isn’t a peace plan any more than the words “peace plan” are a peace plan. I honestly hoped for something with serious details, like internationally administered referendum in Crimea and troop withdrawals or whatever. Not this banal bullsh*t. The CCP is a clownshow.

    • The sovereignty of all countries is respected
    • Abandoning the Cold War mentality
    • Ceasing hostilities
    • Resuming peace talks
    • Resolving the humanitarian crisis
    • Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (PoWs)
    • Keeping nuclear power plants safe
    • Reducing strategic risks
    • Facilitating grain exports
    • Stopping unilateral sanctions
    • Keeping industrial and supply chains stable
    • Promoting post-conflict reconstruction

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Were you ever the commentor Tyrion? (or something to that effect)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  295. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    It was an appropriately somber day that I finally made the trip to South Bound Brook, New Jersey to visit the grave of the Ukrainian nationalist leader Mykola Lebed — a Nazi collaborator and war criminal who worked for the CIA throughout the Cold War — and the memorial he helped establish at St. Andrew’s Ukrainian cemetery
     
    That isn't the one I was thinking about. The one in Ellenville has an annual festival where they have picnic games for the children while they teach them to hate Jews and Commies and Poles and Germans and &c. and &c.

    https://forward.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Ellenville-border.png

    https://forward.com/news/462704/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-united-states/

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid. You won't find any pictures of her at these events. They were grooming her for bigness.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid.

    She couldn’t have joined even if she wanted. Vicky Nuland is of Jewish ancestry, the Ukrainian nationalist’s love affair with the Jewish lobby is a very recent thing. For most part of their history, Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Her family fled the 1900 time pogroms. I don't think too many Ukrainian Jews survived the WWII episode where the Bandera fellows got the crazy virus.

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.
     
    I'm not myopic enough to dispute what you've written here, and even would add that some within the Ukrainian American diaspora have heartily embraced the term of "Zhydo-Banderivtsi" when describing Ukraine's current crop of political leaders, but don't you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine's history? Wasn't the banishment of Jews to the Pale of Settlement (mostly within Ukraine) a reflection of Russian chauvinist mentality?

    And weren't the poroms (also within Ukraine) directed against the Jews by the Russian Black Hundreds in the early 20th century another result of strong Russian chauvinism? The Black Hundreds also were known for burning down Ukrainian schools and cultural centers, very reminiscent of what's going on within Ukraine today. As far as the "zhydo-Moskal" imagery that you refer to, I think that it developed in response to the real perception that so many Bolsheviks from the north that invaded Ukraine, had a Jewish ethnic identity.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  296. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don't want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren't acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it's crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn't have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that's just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Some of the auto racing reports are good so you are exaggerating a little.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Asian Le Mans Series 2023 had four races in total. This is the first.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NmcYiRCU1jw

    I have not had the opportunity to watch any of them yet.

    Hopefully this is the last "travel restricted" season. To deal with the WUHAN-19 virus impediments, all of the races were again held in the Persian Gulf region over a short time frame. This allowed competitors and crews to assemble and stay, thus avoiding entanglement with quarantine rules.

    There is much speculation that Asian Le Mans Series 2024 will run races in Japan (Suzuka and Mount Fuji) a week or two apart.
    ____


    https://sportscar365.com/lemans/asian-lms/qualifying-delayed-after-accident-for-dinamic-porsche/

    Car #54 had a minor issue during qualifying.

     
    https://johndagys.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/54-Qualifying-01.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

  297. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid.
     
    She couldn't have joined even if she wanted. Vicky Nuland is of Jewish ancestry, the Ukrainian nationalist's love affair with the Jewish lobby is a very recent thing. For most part of their history, Ukrainian nationalists were "The Pogromists" par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal - the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Her family fled the 1900 time pogroms. I don’t think too many Ukrainian Jews survived the WWII episode where the Bandera fellows got the crazy virus.

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.
     
    Bad enough, true.

    But, at least he wasn't forcibly lobotomized by the 'doctors' of those times with an ice pick like the poor Kennedy daughter was.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No I don't read about these types, let me guess though - they must have been Socialist in the early decades of their life in the US, Trotskyites probably. Before reading "muh Leo Strauss" and being converted into Neocons.

    Viky must despise and hate all these "drunken Slav Pogromists" on both sides of the front with a terrible intensity. Russians as heirs to the Tsarist Empire and Ukrainians as the descendants of the perpetrators.

    Her cookies will be hard to digest.



    Funny and sad at the same time how naive the Slav are, the fact that most of us are rather forgiving and have a short memory towards the misdeeds of others, doesn't mean that everybody's like that.

    Fits well with the typical CWC attitude I was writing about when discussing the BB & CWC anthropology : "my dad killed your grandpa, now let's be friends and live happily ever after. Your granda killed my dad, but I don't mind, let's be friends etc." Some people never forget and never forgive, these people are dangerous. Especially when they hand you cookies...

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  298. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Her family fled the 1900 time pogroms. I don't think too many Ukrainian Jews survived the WWII episode where the Bandera fellows got the crazy virus.

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    Bad enough, true.

    But, at least he wasn’t forcibly lobotomized by the ‘doctors’ of those times with an ice pick like the poor Kennedy daughter was.

  299. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?
     
    Some of the auto racing reports are good so you are exaggerating a little.

    Replies: @A123

    Asian Le Mans Series 2023 had four races in total. This is the first.

    I have not had the opportunity to watch any of them yet.

    Hopefully this is the last “travel restricted” season. To deal with the WUHAN-19 virus impediments, all of the races were again held in the Persian Gulf region over a short time frame. This allowed competitors and crews to assemble and stay, thus avoiding entanglement with quarantine rules.

    There is much speculation that Asian Le Mans Series 2024 will run races in Japan (Suzuka and Mount Fuji) a week or two apart.
    ____

    https://sportscar365.com/lemans/asian-lms/qualifying-delayed-after-accident-for-dinamic-porsche/

    Car #54 had a minor issue during qualifying.

      

    PEACE 😇

  300. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    Her family fled the 1900 time pogroms. I don't think too many Ukrainian Jews survived the WWII episode where the Bandera fellows got the crazy virus.

    Have you ever read about her dad? He was a tortured genius. He received electric shock therapy back in the day when they really messed you up with big volts and big amps.

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

    No I don’t read about these types, let me guess though – they must have been Socialist in the early decades of their life in the US, Trotskyites probably. Before reading “muh Leo Strauss” and being converted into Neocons.

    Viky must despise and hate all these “drunken Slav Pogromists” on both sides of the front with a terrible intensity. Russians as heirs to the Tsarist Empire and Ukrainians as the descendants of the perpetrators.

    Her cookies will be hard to digest.

    [MORE]

    Funny and sad at the same time how naive the Slav are, the fact that most of us are rather forgiving and have a short memory towards the misdeeds of others, doesn’t mean that everybody’s like that.

    Fits well with the typical CWC attitude I was writing about when discussing the BB & CWC anthropology : “my dad killed your grandpa, now let’s be friends and live happily ever after. Your granda killed my dad, but I don’t mind, let’s be friends etc.” Some people never forget and never forgive, these people are dangerous. Especially when they hand you cookies…

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Ivashka the fool

    Alfred de Custine, writing on the Grand Duke, gives this amusing description of Slavs -


    The kind of grace by which he is distinguished, reminds one of that peculiar charm of manner which seems to belong to the Slavic race. It is not the expression of the quick passions of southern climes, neither is it the imperturbable coolness of the people of the north: it is a combination of simplicity, of southern mobility, and of Scandinavian melancholy. The Slavs are fair-complexioned Arabs;.
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  301. @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows.
     
    Out of curiosity I've been trying to find the background story behind the 1969 Polanski London townhouse painting below for some time now, but with few results.

    A depiction of a Bronze Age Tollense River like battle/massacre would fit the bill. [And, yes, the two subjects of the painting do bear an uncanny resemblance to Charles Manson and his chief lieutenant, Tex Watson. Sharon Tate is pictured in the foreground.]



    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WYS0PpO2CGA/XeU9p8hhQbI/AAAAAAACKSY/SQguvdwPTpgnr7Ge-sRLLYoM9VGbwmjjgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/sharon-tate-8.jpg

    'Their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims.'

    'The new study suggests that a group of bandits had robbed and then “mercilessly slaughtered… a group of diverse vendors passing through the region, likely to set up a market, and some were travelling in a large caravan.”

    'Europe’s oldest massacre shares similarities with the haunting and unforgettably violent Episode 4, Season 6 of The Walking Dead. In this episode, one group of survivalists ambushed another, and their leader systematically smashed in the skulls of the victims with a baseball bat.'

    'Among the weapons found at the Tollense battlefield was an ash wood club “in the shape of a baseball bat” and another "mallet shaped stick,” made from a sloe bush (Prunus spinosa) branch . Today, both species of wood are still prized for their elasticity and strength.'
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as “robbers” attacking a “peaceful merchants caravan”. Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : “Just what are they hiding ?”

    Well, it’s easy to understand if one pays attention…

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    Time travelling Nazi aliens.

     
    https://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x02/front_storm_pt2_080.jpg
     

    ST:Enterprise Season 4

    PEACE 😇

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.
     
    Hehe, that is an intriguing thought. Wasn't familiar with the Time Patrol series until just now and checking them out. I find the Polanski London townhouse art piece to be something like a real life Rod Serling Night Gallery painting myself. :-)

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as “robbers” attacking a “peaceful merchants caravan”. Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : “Just what are they hiding ?”
     
    Large numbers of West European self proclaimed 'progressives' are basically suicidal and sado-masochistic in their outlook and are constantly looking for something (anything!) they can beat themselves and their own over the head with.

    I once heard here in the states a radio announcer, presumably 'Anglo' himself, announcing with what seemed near glee that Anglo demographics had 'had it' in a particular state.

    So why in this case would they hide something perhaps reflecting negatively in regards to West Europeans?

    Having said that, and doing my own independent reading of US history where I found certain things we are taught didn't match the actual events which occurred, I don't preclude the possibility of human genetic history being distorted, or, simply lied about, for their own reasons..ie 'out of Africa' theory possibly.
  302. @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as "robbers" attacking a "peaceful merchants caravan". Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : "Just what are they hiding ?"

    Well, it's easy to understand if one pays attention...

    Replies: @A123, @S

    Time travelling Nazi aliens.

     

     

    ST:Enterprise Season 4

    PEACE 😇

  303. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No I don't read about these types, let me guess though - they must have been Socialist in the early decades of their life in the US, Trotskyites probably. Before reading "muh Leo Strauss" and being converted into Neocons.

    Viky must despise and hate all these "drunken Slav Pogromists" on both sides of the front with a terrible intensity. Russians as heirs to the Tsarist Empire and Ukrainians as the descendants of the perpetrators.

    Her cookies will be hard to digest.



    Funny and sad at the same time how naive the Slav are, the fact that most of us are rather forgiving and have a short memory towards the misdeeds of others, doesn't mean that everybody's like that.

    Fits well with the typical CWC attitude I was writing about when discussing the BB & CWC anthropology : "my dad killed your grandpa, now let's be friends and live happily ever after. Your granda killed my dad, but I don't mind, let's be friends etc." Some people never forget and never forgive, these people are dangerous. Especially when they hand you cookies...

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Alfred de Custine, writing on the Grand Duke, gives this amusing description of Slavs –

    The kind of grace by which he is distinguished, reminds one of that peculiar charm of manner which seems to belong to the Slavic race. It is not the expression of the quick passions of southern climes, neither is it the imperturbable coolness of the people of the north: it is a combination of simplicity, of southern mobility, and of Scandinavian melancholy. The Slavs are fair-complexioned Arabs;.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    The Arabs were in high regard in France at the time, while Russian Empire aristocracy was more than 60% non- ethnic Russian, including the Romanovs themselves who were of 90% German ancestry by the time of Russian Revolution.

    Therefore A) De Custine was of a favorable opinion of the Grand Duke, B) it was not a Russian/Slav that he was describing, C) as most Frenchmen describing foreign lands that they visit, De Custine was somewhat affected with a peculiar cultural myopia that allows them seeing (without truly understanding) only what is put squarely in front of their noses.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  304. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.
     
    This must be why Leninism was so influential.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism, which was a genuinely bold and new way of looking at the world, and an interesting potential solution to the eternal misery of the poor, newly made visible by the industrial revolution.

    Dickens is good on the misery of the industrial revolution, but most people miss how delighted factory workers were to escape their previous even worse miseries.

    And Leninism died pretty quickly, even though it was the only serious alternative outside of the liberal paradigm. Nazism did too. So has Islamism. And whatever you want to label what China is cooking up is on limited time too. The absurdity of the CCP is there for anyone to look at, if they’d merely try.

    Also, ideas can be highly intelligent but wrong, and may need a couple of decades to end up getting wisely rejected. The Soviet Union didn’t survive the generation that built it. The very next generation closed it down as soon as they worked out how. With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time.
     
    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn't only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.
     
    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the 'Early Marx') seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism,
     
    Someone on the previous thread called for a collection of Soviet-era jokes. In Soviet times in college we had obligatory courses of Marxist philosophy and a few similar things. Here is student joke about that:

    Philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room.
    Marxist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there.
    Marxist-Leninist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there and once in a while exclaiming “Gotcha!”.
  305. @Triteleia Laxa
    China's peace "plan" sounds like a Miss Universe beauty contest answer. How they got their reputation among some as a diplomatically intelligent country, I'll never know. This list is meaningless and can be interpreted in every single way.

    Doubltess some Putin shill here will try. A sort of "see, if I give it my incredibly biased interpretation then it justified everything I've ever said."

    But really, this isn't a peace plan any more than the words "peace plan" are a peace plan. I honestly hoped for something with serious details, like internationally administered referendum in Crimea and troop withdrawals or whatever. Not this banal bullsh*t. The CCP is a clownshow.

    • The sovereignty of all countries is respected
    • Abandoning the Cold War mentality
    • Ceasing hostilities
    • Resuming peace talks
    • Resolving the humanitarian crisis
    • Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (PoWs)
    • Keeping nuclear power plants safe
    • Reducing strategic risks
    • Facilitating grain exports
    • Stopping unilateral sanctions
    • Keeping industrial and supply chains stable
    • Promoting post-conflict reconstruction

    Replies: @songbird

    Were you ever the commentor Tyrion? (or something to that effect)

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    No, but I like the following comment by "Ethan" which the commenter "Tyrion" liked.

    Guide for Spotting Anti-Semitic Political Writer:

    1) The subject seems obsessed with all things Jewish…how many articles has the person written about Jews this or that?

    2) The subject claims a Jewish cabal controls X, then lists a bunch of actors involved in X, half of whom are not even Jewish. Example: The Jews control the media, just look at all the Jews in the media: Bloomberg, Murdoch (not actually Jewish), Bezos (not actually Jewish), Saban, Turner (not actually Jewish), etc etc.

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something. For example, subject lists all the Jewish neo-cons (and don’t forget, half the folks on his Jew list are not actual Jews), neglects to tell us about all the non-Jewish neo cons, and also neglects to mention that MOST of the Jews in congress opposed the Neo-Cons and voted against the Iraq war resolution.

    4) The subject makes the claim that Jews control X, or favor Y. As if all Jews have a secret meeting where they come to a consensus on everything…..forgetting for a minute that Jews in actuality occupy the spectrum of political opinions like any other group.

    5) The subject always claims self-righteously, that the MSM is trying to silence them, not because he/she is practicing obvious bigotry, but because the MSM is….controlled by….guess who….not the Armenians…….not the Greeks….getting warmer…The JEWS!

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

  306. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Ivashka the fool

    Alfred de Custine, writing on the Grand Duke, gives this amusing description of Slavs -


    The kind of grace by which he is distinguished, reminds one of that peculiar charm of manner which seems to belong to the Slavic race. It is not the expression of the quick passions of southern climes, neither is it the imperturbable coolness of the people of the north: it is a combination of simplicity, of southern mobility, and of Scandinavian melancholy. The Slavs are fair-complexioned Arabs;.
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The Arabs were in high regard in France at the time, while Russian Empire aristocracy was more than 60% non- ethnic Russian, including the Romanovs themselves who were of 90% German ancestry by the time of Russian Revolution.

    Therefore A) De Custine was of a favorable opinion of the Grand Duke, B) it was not a Russian/Slav that he was describing, C) as most Frenchmen describing foreign lands that they visit, De Custine was somewhat affected with a peculiar cultural myopia that allows them seeing (without truly understanding) only what is put squarely in front of their noses.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Ivashka the fool

    He had a complex picture of the Grand Duke, but he praised him highly in many ways. Immediately after my quote, he mentions the Duke is half-German, but that many Germans are of Slavic extraction in those regions.

    I am pleasantly surprised that Custine is not at all unremittingly hostile to Russia or Slavs, but had a nuanced view and praises them in many ways. To quote him from his preface -


    Besides, having seen much to admire in Russia, I have been able to mingle many praises in my descriptions.The Russians will not be satisfied; when was self-love ever known to be? And yet, no one has ever been struck more than I, by the greatness and political importance of their nation. The high destinies of these people, these last comers upon the old theater of the world, engaged my mind during the whole time of my stay among them. The Russians, viewed as a body, appeared to me as being great, even in their most shocking vices; viewed as individuals, I considered them amiable. The character of the common people I found much to interest: these flattering truths ought, I think, to compensate for others less agreeable. But, hitherto, the Russians have been treated as spoiled children by the greater number of travelers.

    But these Orientals, habituated as they are to breathe and dispense the most direct incense of flattery, will be sensible to nothing but blame. All disapprobation appears to them as treachery; they call every severe truth a falsehood; they will not perceive the delicate admiration that may sometimes lurk under my apparent criticisms—the regret and, on some occasions, the sympathy that accompany my most severe remarks.
     
    Forgive him his remark about Orientals - this was on 1843.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  307. @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.
     
    These days it's not so much about "forcing" (except in the case of countries such as Russia), but more about meddling - latching on to a small home grown progressive minority in an Eastern European country and artificially bolstering it.

    I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal
     
    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around). But even my ideal is considered "far right" by some of today's leading ideologues. And, of course, local liberals who take for granted what was built by the normal majority.

    but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah

     

    It's actually a rather diverse group here. I'm a bit surprised how few real WNs there are on these boards. This group is so diverse that they couldn't hold a coherent ideology and maintain a country. They are mostly contrarians (which is fun and unusual, but how would they run a country? Once they established that desired country of theirs, they would turn contrarian towards it again).

    But if you're talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah. After all, there are states with rather questionable politics that have not been made pariahs by the West (certain oil states in the Middle East, etc). So what is allowed to an oil country would not be allowed to a white country (assuming that country is not in NATO)?


    doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles
     
    Alternative lifestyles always existed, even in the 1930s. Forms of women's lib existed back then as well.
    It just didn't take extreme forms. But there is a problem here with consistency, of course, things such as if hetero society does not behave well, then it doesn't really make sense to "oppress" gays. Then it becomes a race to the bottom.

    If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.
     
    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Certain things can be measured empirically - for example, what kind of a lifestyle reduces blood pressure or which ingredients in food production should be avoided. But when it comes to human happiness, it becomes subjective. Also, something that may be making one happy at one point, may not make them happy forever, etc. There are different stages in life where one's needs will be different. The hedonistic approach is a bit slippery.

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.
     
    If you're looking for an Ideal, then some aspects of archeofuturism may provide such. In my ideal state, the ideological basis would be drawn from the ancestral wisdom (the ethical guidelines contained in a body of poetry called daina). There is also value in the Greco-Roman heritage, obviously. Or even some kind of mythopoetic exercise.

    You see, "Ideal" is a tricky word - we can view it as something one strives for, something that is more defined as a permanent search, an unending journey, where we are in a flux and thriving for something that is not constant, that is not here and that is not fully defined. Some abstract ideal of humanity. But an "Ideal" can also be something very concrete, something from the past, that which once was but is in essence timeless, that can be exalted and idealized.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

     

    I hope you are talking about the metaphysical Platonic Ideal here, because the political and even to some extent the ethical Platonic Ideal is deeply totalitarian.


    Btw, I wanted to add something to our previous exchange regarding Zelensky. I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a "nobody" in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn't want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Mr. Hack

    Right, in my response to Beckow I quoted Alfred de Custine perceiving already in 1843 that the West would shift away from wars of conquest and towards wars of propaganda. Its quite remarkable prescience for so far back.

    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around).

    But this could almost be considered the liberal credo 🙂

    Well, it’s been said that conservatism is the liberalism of a few decades ago. I am certainly not a fan of much of what passes for liberalism these days.

    As for Unz commenters, most on this forum are not so bad, but most of the rest of the site just has some of the most odious people, both commenters and columnists. I would not want to form a society with them – but you’re right, they’re likely too anti-social to really form a functioning society.

    But if you’re talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah

    I’d agree up to a point. But I do think there is a moral threshold beyond which cruel and oppressive internal policies should make one a pariah. I mean, in my personal life, there are some people I refuse to deal with even though they’ve done nothing to me.

    I think that’s a basic stance of any decent and moral person – some actions, some countries, some people, even if they haven’t harmed me, are beyond any moral pale that I want to be a part of. We have to condemn the truly evil when we see it – we have a responsibility to do that, and to shun it.

    Someone like Vox Day, for instance, and many figures among the alt-right, are people that I would personally treat as pariahs – I would deal with them on the spiritual level, out of compassion, and even be kind and gentle to them on that level, but on the social, economic, or political level, I would shun them to the max.

    Of course I don’t include traditional conservatism in this – not at all. But this new beast, the alt-right, is often simply evil. There is no other way of saying it, and we all must draw our lines somewhere.

    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Exactly, no one gets to “decide” 🙂 I’m proposing a completely different model that takes us completely away from the usual models of coercion in any form. An entirely voluntaristic model.

    For instance, I read last year an interesting book about the spread of Christianity. Apparently, the early Christians were not great proselytizers, unlike the later ones.

    Rather, their lifestyle was so visibly different from their pagan neighborhoods, and involved so much visibly greater charity, compassion, friendliness, and good cheer, that it’s inherent appeal caused the new religion to spread like wildfire.

    If a way of life, a philosophy, an attitude, is truly more conducive to human happiness, it need not use any coercion whatsoever – at most, it may use rhetoric.

    Btw, this is a withering criticism of Woke and cancel culture.

    As for the Ideal, it is always being realized, but always imperfectly. That’s why it reaches into the past but also stretches into the future. Everything in the Past and in Tradition that has realized the Ideal – and there is much! – must be rescued and restored, preserved and built up on, but everything that was just human, all too human, must be jettisoned – and at the same time, one must be ever reaching towards greater realization of the Ideal (we never fully realize it in this sublunary realm)

    So it’s a dual-movement that looks both to the past and the future – a culture that has abandoned it’s past has abandoned the Ideal. But a culture that worships it’s past has also abandoned the Ideal.

    The Ideal is timeless and without change but in a sense our movement towards it is infinite. Early Christian writers wrote about infinite movement within a larger context of the timeless and unchanging.

    Anyways, this is getting quite abstract 🙂 And yes, I don’t mean Plato’s specific political totalitarianism.

    As for Zelensky, I appreciate your remarks. To be honest, I don’t have any firm opinion of him per se, and I was objecting more to the idea that the only reason a Jew might stay in Ukraine, was not a genuine sense of values, but out of a calculation where best to utilize his specific talents. But I do appreciate your remarks on him here.

  308. @Ivashka the fool
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    The Arabs were in high regard in France at the time, while Russian Empire aristocracy was more than 60% non- ethnic Russian, including the Romanovs themselves who were of 90% German ancestry by the time of Russian Revolution.

    Therefore A) De Custine was of a favorable opinion of the Grand Duke, B) it was not a Russian/Slav that he was describing, C) as most Frenchmen describing foreign lands that they visit, De Custine was somewhat affected with a peculiar cultural myopia that allows them seeing (without truly understanding) only what is put squarely in front of their noses.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    He had a complex picture of the Grand Duke, but he praised him highly in many ways. Immediately after my quote, he mentions the Duke is half-German, but that many Germans are of Slavic extraction in those regions.

    I am pleasantly surprised that Custine is not at all unremittingly hostile to Russia or Slavs, but had a nuanced view and praises them in many ways. To quote him from his preface –

    Besides, having seen much to admire in Russia, I have been able to mingle many praises in my descriptions.The Russians will not be satisfied; when was self-love ever known to be? And yet, no one has ever been struck more than I, by the greatness and political importance of their nation. The high destinies of these people, these last comers upon the old theater of the world, engaged my mind during the whole time of my stay among them. The Russians, viewed as a body, appeared to me as being great, even in their most shocking vices; viewed as individuals, I considered them amiable. The character of the common people I found much to interest: these flattering truths ought, I think, to compensate for others less agreeable. But, hitherto, the Russians have been treated as spoiled children by the greater number of travelers.

    But these Orientals, habituated as they are to breathe and dispense the most direct incense of flattery, will be sensible to nothing but blame. All disapprobation appears to them as treachery; they call every severe truth a falsehood; they will not perceive the delicate admiration that may sometimes lurk under my apparent criticisms—the regret and, on some occasions, the sympathy that accompany my most severe remarks.

    Forgive him his remark about Orientals – this was on 1843.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    His remarks about the Orientals are entirely justified even today, try writing something unflattering about China, India, Pakistan and even Japan and Corea online on some Asian, massively accessible forum, and see what happens. But Russians are not Oriental. I believe De Custine here represents the French version of the "Wogs start in Calais" attitude. Anyway, I am not really interested in his opinions about a long defunct Imperial Russia. Despite its faux imperial grandstanding, RusFed is another beast all together, this is what the World is witnessing today to the surprise of many.

    https://youtu.be/r5BcWKcn84Y

    I of course am not surprised in the slightest. Because I have known it to be fake and gay for decades. Since 1993, as Pelevin most probably did...

  309. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism, which was a genuinely bold and new way of looking at the world, and an interesting potential solution to the eternal misery of the poor, newly made visible by the industrial revolution.

    Dickens is good on the misery of the industrial revolution, but most people miss how delighted factory workers were to escape their previous even worse miseries.

    And Leninism died pretty quickly, even though it was the only serious alternative outside of the liberal paradigm. Nazism did too. So has Islamism. And whatever you want to label what China is cooking up is on limited time too. The absurdity of the CCP is there for anyone to look at, if they'd merely try.

    Also, ideas can be highly intelligent but wrong, and may need a couple of decades to end up getting wisely rejected. The Soviet Union didn't survive the generation that built it. The very next generation closed it down as soon as they worked out how. With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AnonfromTN

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time.

    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.
     
    Intellect is extremely important for getting your hands on power, and has only become more important as we've moved into the age of the large bureaucratic state.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.
     
    Do they? I don't see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    Marx has just become a signifier for "concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept" which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism, more a healthy societal instinct that often gets taken too far.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  310. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Were you ever the commentor Tyrion? (or something to that effect)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    No, but I like the following comment by “Ethan” which the commenter “Tyrion” liked.

    Guide for Spotting Anti-Semitic Political Writer:

    1) The subject seems obsessed with all things Jewish…how many articles has the person written about Jews this or that?

    2) The subject claims a Jewish cabal controls X, then lists a bunch of actors involved in X, half of whom are not even Jewish. Example: The Jews control the media, just look at all the Jews in the media: Bloomberg, Murdoch (not actually Jewish), Bezos (not actually Jewish), Saban, Turner (not actually Jewish), etc etc.

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something. For example, subject lists all the Jewish neo-cons (and don’t forget, half the folks on his Jew list are not actual Jews), neglects to tell us about all the non-Jewish neo cons, and also neglects to mention that MOST of the Jews in congress opposed the Neo-Cons and voted against the Iraq war resolution.

    4) The subject makes the claim that Jews control X, or favor Y. As if all Jews have a secret meeting where they come to a consensus on everything…..forgetting for a minute that Jews in actuality occupy the spectrum of political opinions like any other group.

    5) The subject always claims self-righteously, that the MSM is trying to silence them, not because he/she is practicing obvious bigotry, but because the MSM is….controlled by….guess who….not the Armenians…….not the Greeks….getting warmer…The JEWS!

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.
     
    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the "Jewish" side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    If the alt right had listened to Ethan, it would not be a deader than dead movement now, represented by people who think videos like this are sympathetic or will make them popular. What does he think he's going to achieve by harassing random Jews on the street with aggressive posturing and verbal abuse?

    I find this totally alienating. How has it gotten this bad and bizarre?



    https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1629003133912514561?t=wYzEvFYSksfOdZcWJCri8A&s=19

    Replies: @songbird

  311. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism, which was a genuinely bold and new way of looking at the world, and an interesting potential solution to the eternal misery of the poor, newly made visible by the industrial revolution.

    Dickens is good on the misery of the industrial revolution, but most people miss how delighted factory workers were to escape their previous even worse miseries.

    And Leninism died pretty quickly, even though it was the only serious alternative outside of the liberal paradigm. Nazism did too. So has Islamism. And whatever you want to label what China is cooking up is on limited time too. The absurdity of the CCP is there for anyone to look at, if they'd merely try.

    Also, ideas can be highly intelligent but wrong, and may need a couple of decades to end up getting wisely rejected. The Soviet Union didn't survive the generation that built it. The very next generation closed it down as soon as they worked out how. With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AnonfromTN

    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time. It was built on Marxism,

    Someone on the previous thread called for a collection of Soviet-era jokes. In Soviet times in college we had obligatory courses of Marxist philosophy and a few similar things. Here is student joke about that:

    Philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room.
    Marxist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there.
    Marxist-Leninist philosophy is looking for an absolutely black cat in an absolutely dark room knowing beforehand that it’s not there and once in a while exclaiming “Gotcha!”.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  312. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Leninism was influential for a very short period of time.
     
    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn't only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    With its ideological origins long, long discredited, except as a sort of intellectual game in Western salons.
     
    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the 'Early Marx') seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.

    Intellect is extremely important for getting your hands on power, and has only become more important as we’ve moved into the age of the large bureaucratic state.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.

    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism, more a healthy societal instinct that often gets taken too far.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?
     
    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism...
     
    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  313. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Ivashka the fool

    He had a complex picture of the Grand Duke, but he praised him highly in many ways. Immediately after my quote, he mentions the Duke is half-German, but that many Germans are of Slavic extraction in those regions.

    I am pleasantly surprised that Custine is not at all unremittingly hostile to Russia or Slavs, but had a nuanced view and praises them in many ways. To quote him from his preface -


    Besides, having seen much to admire in Russia, I have been able to mingle many praises in my descriptions.The Russians will not be satisfied; when was self-love ever known to be? And yet, no one has ever been struck more than I, by the greatness and political importance of their nation. The high destinies of these people, these last comers upon the old theater of the world, engaged my mind during the whole time of my stay among them. The Russians, viewed as a body, appeared to me as being great, even in their most shocking vices; viewed as individuals, I considered them amiable. The character of the common people I found much to interest: these flattering truths ought, I think, to compensate for others less agreeable. But, hitherto, the Russians have been treated as spoiled children by the greater number of travelers.

    But these Orientals, habituated as they are to breathe and dispense the most direct incense of flattery, will be sensible to nothing but blame. All disapprobation appears to them as treachery; they call every severe truth a falsehood; they will not perceive the delicate admiration that may sometimes lurk under my apparent criticisms—the regret and, on some occasions, the sympathy that accompany my most severe remarks.
     
    Forgive him his remark about Orientals - this was on 1843.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    His remarks about the Orientals are entirely justified even today, try writing something unflattering about China, India, Pakistan and even Japan and Corea online on some Asian, massively accessible forum, and see what happens. But Russians are not Oriental. I believe De Custine here represents the French version of the “Wogs start in Calais” attitude. Anyway, I am not really interested in his opinions about a long defunct Imperial Russia. Despite its faux imperial grandstanding, RusFed is another beast all together, this is what the World is witnessing today to the surprise of many.

    I of course am not surprised in the slightest. Because I have known it to be fake and gay for decades. Since 1993, as Pelevin most probably did…

  314. @War Observer
    @QCIC

    China is now far ahead of Russia. There will be a multipolar world (bipolar if we want to be specific), and Russia will not be a part of it. Expect China to fill in the void left by Russia in the arms market. More neautral NATO countries like France will also benefit. At least countries know that China won't start an ill-planned war, get stuck for the foreseeable future and commandeer the weapons you paid for to use for itself.

    Really pathetic to see turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN exhorting the strength of Russia while safely living in the West, at least Karlin repatriated to Russia which I respect him for, he put his money where his mouth is.



    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1610679194413076480

    https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1622633889314250752

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    turbo-vatniks like AnonfromTN

    I am glad that the likes of you disapprove of me. If any one of your ilk approved of me, I’d be really worried, frantically asking myself “where did I go terribly wrong?”.

  315. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    No, but I like the following comment by "Ethan" which the commenter "Tyrion" liked.

    Guide for Spotting Anti-Semitic Political Writer:

    1) The subject seems obsessed with all things Jewish…how many articles has the person written about Jews this or that?

    2) The subject claims a Jewish cabal controls X, then lists a bunch of actors involved in X, half of whom are not even Jewish. Example: The Jews control the media, just look at all the Jews in the media: Bloomberg, Murdoch (not actually Jewish), Bezos (not actually Jewish), Saban, Turner (not actually Jewish), etc etc.

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something. For example, subject lists all the Jewish neo-cons (and don’t forget, half the folks on his Jew list are not actual Jews), neglects to tell us about all the non-Jewish neo cons, and also neglects to mention that MOST of the Jews in congress opposed the Neo-Cons and voted against the Iraq war resolution.

    4) The subject makes the claim that Jews control X, or favor Y. As if all Jews have a secret meeting where they come to a consensus on everything…..forgetting for a minute that Jews in actuality occupy the spectrum of political opinions like any other group.

    5) The subject always claims self-righteously, that the MSM is trying to silence them, not because he/she is practicing obvious bigotry, but because the MSM is….controlled by….guess who….not the Armenians…….not the Greeks….getting warmer…The JEWS!

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.

    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the “Jewish” side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia's actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    And this is why Israel is not a country to listen to on any matters other than them, and their few directly neighbouring countries, where it would be best to ensure they don't go back to bullying the Lebanese again, or some other minor gangsterism in an already far too gangsterish region.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @A123

    Which is the “Jewish” side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    I would say both sides, but to be certain, we should ask at least three Rabbis belonging to three different religious schools. That way if two of them disagree on this issue of outstanding importance, the third might make the difference in aligning with one of them. And I would really appreciate if one Rebbe was a Karaite, they have a special say on Crimea.

    🙂

    , @A123
    @A123

    ADDENDUM -- Yesterday was interesting at the UN: (1)


    Earlier this week, the US succeeded in stopping a vote at the UN Security Council against the expansion of illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank, with the help of the UAE and the Palestinian Authority (given the PA withdrew the bill under pressure).

     

    On Thursday, Israel joined 140 other UN member states voting in favor of a nonbinding resolution that calls for Russia to end hostilities in Ukraine and withdraw its forces.

     

    Can you say -- Quid Pro Quo? I knew you could.

    Thursday's vote was about other issues. No change in position from Palestinian Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-joins-un-vote-calling-russia-end-military-occupation-ukraine
  316. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.
     
    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the "Jewish" side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    And this is why Israel is not a country to listen to on any matters other than them, and their few directly neighbouring countries, where it would be best to ensure they don’t go back to bullying the Lebanese again, or some other minor gangsterism in an already far too gangsterish region.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.
     
    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    https://youtu.be/Wjl-KIGrOWA

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  317. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.
     
    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the "Jewish" side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    Which is the “Jewish” side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    I would say both sides, but to be certain, we should ask at least three Rabbis belonging to three different religious schools. That way if two of them disagree on this issue of outstanding importance, the third might make the difference in aligning with one of them. And I would really appreciate if one Rebbe was a Karaite, they have a special say on Crimea.

    🙂

  318. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something.
     
    I tried to lay this out as well. Which is the "Jewish" side in the Ukraine Russia conflict?

    Zelensky went out of his way to offend Palestinian Jews in his speech to the Knesset. Then he doubled down on hating Jews in a recent UN vote.

    Putin has a cadre of Jewish supporters in his inner circle. Netanyahu and Putin are known to be friendly and well disposed to each other. Russia and Israel have a wide array of shared interests. The last thing either wants is conflict over Syria.

    If Jews were backed into a corner, Palestinian Jews would chose Russia. That is a no brainer. Thus, American progressive Jews would be left with a problem. Would they snub their coreligionists?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @A123

    ADDENDUM — Yesterday was interesting at the UN: (1)

    Earlier this week, the US succeeded in stopping a vote at the UN Security Council against the expansion of illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank, with the help of the UAE and the Palestinian Authority (given the PA withdrew the bill under pressure).

    On Thursday, Israel joined 140 other UN member states voting in favor of a nonbinding resolution that calls for Russia to end hostilities in Ukraine and withdraw its forces.

    Can you say — Quid Pro Quo? I knew you could.

    Thursday’s vote was about other issues. No change in position from Palestinian Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-joins-un-vote-calling-russia-end-military-occupation-ukraine

  319. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    No, but I like the following comment by "Ethan" which the commenter "Tyrion" liked.

    Guide for Spotting Anti-Semitic Political Writer:

    1) The subject seems obsessed with all things Jewish…how many articles has the person written about Jews this or that?

    2) The subject claims a Jewish cabal controls X, then lists a bunch of actors involved in X, half of whom are not even Jewish. Example: The Jews control the media, just look at all the Jews in the media: Bloomberg, Murdoch (not actually Jewish), Bezos (not actually Jewish), Saban, Turner (not actually Jewish), etc etc.

    3) The subject connects dots linking Jews to something, while totally ignoring all the participants who are not Jewish, or the Jews who are completely against that something. For example, subject lists all the Jewish neo-cons (and don’t forget, half the folks on his Jew list are not actual Jews), neglects to tell us about all the non-Jewish neo cons, and also neglects to mention that MOST of the Jews in congress opposed the Neo-Cons and voted against the Iraq war resolution.

    4) The subject makes the claim that Jews control X, or favor Y. As if all Jews have a secret meeting where they come to a consensus on everything…..forgetting for a minute that Jews in actuality occupy the spectrum of political opinions like any other group.

    5) The subject always claims self-righteously, that the MSM is trying to silence them, not because he/she is practicing obvious bigotry, but because the MSM is….controlled by….guess who….not the Armenians…….not the Greeks….getting warmer…The JEWS!

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa

    If the alt right had listened to Ethan, it would not be a deader than dead movement now, represented by people who think videos like this are sympathetic or will make them popular. What does he think he’s going to achieve by harassing random Jews on the street with aggressive posturing and verbal abuse?

    I find this totally alienating. How has it gotten this bad and bizarre?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No idea who that is, but I have heard of Greenblatt. Very bad optics, but virtually unchallenged power, unless you count a tweet or two by Musk, who himself cancelled Kanye on Twitter.

  320. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia's actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    And this is why Israel is not a country to listen to on any matters other than them, and their few directly neighbouring countries, where it would be best to ensure they don't go back to bullying the Lebanese again, or some other minor gangsterism in an already far too gangsterish region.

    Replies: @A123

    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.

    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.
     
    I don't care who you think the real Palestinians are. Everyone there deserves each other. They're just enjoying the drama too much to realise it. From what I've recently read, Barak's plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure. This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    Replies: @A123

  321. @A123
    @German_reader


    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that’s just beyond silly.

    Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?
     
    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a "crackpot" idea?
    ____

    If you insist on a sabotage scenario. Explain you theory in more depth by answering these three questions:

    • Why was the time line over 17 hours?
    • Why were the attacks ~80 km apart?
    • Why were only 3 out of 4 pipes hit?

    Does this look like a well planned attack? Really?

     
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/nord-292x300.jpg
     

    I can, and have, shifted views on this topic. Immediately after the events took place I was suspicious of the Poles, as they had much to gain and little to lose.

    After the details of timing and geography came to light I reevaluated based on those facts which is how I wound up with "accident" as the leading & primary working theory.
    ____

    Let me illustrate where you and Mr. Unz seem to share a common logic problem:

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    That simply does not hold up to scrutiny.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably BigPharma) exploit the WUHAN-19 virus? Yes. However, there is no reason to believe that America was directly behind its release from the CCP's labatory at WIV. Mr. Unz cannot get past this which is why he keeps pushing his crackpot theory the virus was stolen from Fort Detrick, or another U.S. facility, and transported to Wuhan.

    Did interests in the U.S. (notably Not-The-President Biden's regime) make hay after the NS ruptures? Yes. Claiming unearned credit is a known hallmark of DNC politicians. Do you remember the plagiarism scandal from some years ago. It is not even what they do... It is what Democrats are. There is simply no physical evidence pointing back to current coup regime as the culpruit.
    ___

    Let me reframe your original question. Are you happy to be in the company of total conspiracy nutters like Mr. Unz?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    -1- Something happened
    -2- The U.S. establishment exploited it
    -3- Therefore #2 caused #1.

    This simply does not hold up to scrutiny

    It’s too bad that you’re not able to use your own formula of logic and apply it to the situation in Ukraine. I’ll spell out #1 explicitly for you, so that you’re finally able to understand it all:

    Russia (the aggressor) attacked Ukraine. Ukraine is defending itself.

    Good logic formula, only you’ve had a long history of being unable to fill in the different players. I hope that this finally helps you put it all together.

  322. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Yes, of course many Israelis would choose Russia, because Russia’s actions, if successful, would break the status quo that stops Israel from annexing the West Bank and clearing the Palestinians out.
     
    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    https://youtu.be/Wjl-KIGrOWA

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.

    I don’t care who you think the real Palestinians are. Everyone there deserves each other. They’re just enjoying the drama too much to realise it. From what I’ve recently read, Barak’s plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure. This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.
     
    Iranian Hamas unilaterally destroyed the fresh water supply for Gaza. Barring some massive breakthrough in technology, desalination is unaffordable. There is no hope until consumption adjusts to the natural resource problem that Islamic colonists created for themselves. The only option to alleviate the suffering is for ~75% of the population to move to a new source of potable water.

    Once over 1MM people are on the move out of physical necessity, it opens the door for new thinking. There no reason why a larger movement is inherently objectionable. Physically separating the bulk of the incompatible populations largely fixes the problem. They may not like each other, but the hot heads cannot turn rage into action.


    Barak’s plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure.
     
    There were options back in the late 70's with the Carter efforts. Ehud Barak's 2000 proposal was DOA before negotiations ever had a chance: (1)

    Arafat didn't negotiate - He just kept saying no

     

    Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: "You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe." A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.

    Today Barak portrays Arafat's behaviour at Camp David as a "performance" geared to exacting from the Israelis as many concessions as possible without ever seriously intending to reach a peace settlement or sign an "end to the conflict".

    "He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own," he says.
     

    Arafat's successor Abbas is equally intransigent. He is in the 19th year of his 4 year term in office. Fatah has shaky control in the West Bank. Even more awful Iranian Hamas rules with an iron fist in Gaza.

    Coherent & credible leadership from the Muslim colonies would improve the situation. However, there seems little hope of such figures appearing.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

  323. @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I wouldn’t force my preferred form of social organization on any country that didn’t want it.
     
    These days it's not so much about "forcing" (except in the case of countries such as Russia), but more about meddling - latching on to a small home grown progressive minority in an Eastern European country and artificially bolstering it.

    I’d be happy to coexist with a country like your ideal
     
    Right, my ideal is very benign (and above all, people should be loved and taken good care of, the strong must support the weak, but that only means there need to be more of the strong around). But even my ideal is considered "far right" by some of today's leading ideologues. And, of course, local liberals who take for granted what was built by the normal majority.

    but a country founded by the majority of the Unz commenters should become an international pariah

     

    It's actually a rather diverse group here. I'm a bit surprised how few real WNs there are on these boards. This group is so diverse that they couldn't hold a coherent ideology and maintain a country. They are mostly contrarians (which is fun and unusual, but how would they run a country? Once they established that desired country of theirs, they would turn contrarian towards it again).

    But if you're talking about a potential right-wing pariah, we need to be clear about based on what? If they live peacefully and are not openly aggressive towards their neighbors in their little or not so little realm, then there is no reason to make them a pariah. After all, there are states with rather questionable politics that have not been made pariahs by the West (certain oil states in the Middle East, etc). So what is allowed to an oil country would not be allowed to a white country (assuming that country is not in NATO)?


    doesn’t excessively repress alternative lifestyles
     
    Alternative lifestyles always existed, even in the 1930s. Forms of women's lib existed back then as well.
    It just didn't take extreme forms. But there is a problem here with consistency, of course, things such as if hetero society does not behave well, then it doesn't really make sense to "oppress" gays. Then it becomes a race to the bottom.

    If a lifestyle and philosophy is genuinely more capable of bringing humans happiness, it’s inherent appeal should be made manifest and serve as the basis for a seductive appeal.
     
    We enter the realm of subjectivity here. Who gets to decide that? Happiness is subjective. If you take a utilitarian approach and find things that bring the maximum good to the maximum number of people, then you might have a point. No need to deny wellbeing to humanity if such wellbeing can easily be promoted and expanded.

    Certain things can be measured empirically - for example, what kind of a lifestyle reduces blood pressure or which ingredients in food production should be avoided. But when it comes to human happiness, it becomes subjective. Also, something that may be making one happy at one point, may not make them happy forever, etc. There are different stages in life where one's needs will be different. The hedonistic approach is a bit slippery.

    My only point is that it is a “static” vision, like all conservative visions, and I do believe that a genuinely healthy society needs to be moving towards a moral horizon, a vision of the Good, in some way, to retain it’s vigor and energy and self-confidence, and even will to live. (Your vision of the Good obviously need not be that of the Woke). But you need an Ideal that you are moving toward, trying to manifest.
     
    If you're looking for an Ideal, then some aspects of archeofuturism may provide such. In my ideal state, the ideological basis would be drawn from the ancestral wisdom (the ethical guidelines contained in a body of poetry called daina). There is also value in the Greco-Roman heritage, obviously. Or even some kind of mythopoetic exercise.

    You see, "Ideal" is a tricky word - we can view it as something one strives for, something that is more defined as a permanent search, an unending journey, where we are in a flux and thriving for something that is not constant, that is not here and that is not fully defined. Some abstract ideal of humanity. But an "Ideal" can also be something very concrete, something from the past, that which once was but is in essence timeless, that can be exalted and idealized.

    I understand the purpose of human life as the ever greater realization of the divine Good, the reaching out to it more and more, the attempt to realize a Platonic Ideal, and that is the source of the life-force.

     

    I hope you are talking about the metaphysical Platonic Ideal here, because the political and even to some extent the ethical Platonic Ideal is deeply totalitarian.


    Btw, I wanted to add something to our previous exchange regarding Zelensky. I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a "nobody" in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn't want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @Mr. Hack

    I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.

    Oh come now LatW, you must let the cat out of the bag now. What is left of UNZ if we supplicants don’t adhere to UNZ’ bold credo:

    A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    No UNZ reader (including yourself) comes here looking for the same drab information that can be gleaned from watching the 6:00 news, right? 🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    you must let the cat out of the bag now
     
    One year... too long, too heavy, too much. No words to describe it. I'm counting on your people to carry us on forward, for many more years to come. But let's not forget the wounded.

    Such sweet yet powerful voices and such excellent blending!

    "The Cossacks rode across the fields, the song of their destiny sounded loud, for their freedom, on their horses they rode;

    The Cossacks rode, they sang a song about how they loved and how they fought, for their beloved homeland, for their parents and their friends;

    Across the meadow, the song flows, a young maiden's heart beats like a little bird,
    She gave her love to a young man, the Cossacks rode back home!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxeEbRaRaV4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  324. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Victoria Nuland was kept away from the hard core as a kid.
     
    She couldn't have joined even if she wanted. Vicky Nuland is of Jewish ancestry, the Ukrainian nationalist's love affair with the Jewish lobby is a very recent thing. For most part of their history, Ukrainian nationalists were "The Pogromists" par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal - the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.

    I’m not myopic enough to dispute what you’ve written here, and even would add that some within the Ukrainian American diaspora have heartily embraced the term of “Zhydo-Banderivtsi” when describing Ukraine’s current crop of political leaders, but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history? Wasn’t the banishment of Jews to the Pale of Settlement (mostly within Ukraine) a reflection of Russian chauvinist mentality?

    And weren’t the poroms (also within Ukraine) directed against the Jews by the Russian Black Hundreds in the early 20th century another result of strong Russian chauvinism? The Black Hundreds also were known for burning down Ukrainian schools and cultural centers, very reminiscent of what’s going on within Ukraine today. As far as the “zhydo-Moskal” imagery that you refer to, I think that it developed in response to the real perception that so many Bolsheviks from the north that invaded Ukraine, had a Jewish ethnic identity.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history?
     
    I don't.

    The Jews have never been "expulsed to the Pale of Settlement" they lived in the Pale of Settlement when the Tsarist Empire annexed these lands. The policy was to prevent them from migrating to the Great Russian core where they have never lived in significant numbers before the revolution. Any Jew who got higher education or became a first guild merchant was accepted beyond the Pale and in the capitals. I have personally known Jews in Moscow and Piter whose ancestors came there in the nineteenth century simply because they studied and were successful. Also, Jewish settlers have been allowed in the Novorossya towns and especially Odessa where they prospered.

    The actions of the Black Hundreds were mostly in response to the terrorist attacks by the (mostly) Jewish Socialist radicals. A pale equivalent of what the Israeli do today to punish the Palestinians after any terrorist attack against Jewish citizens.

    These two historical aspects of Tsarism doen't even come close to Uman' massacre, the pogroms under Petliyura and the second World War extermination of Jews in Ukraine carried with the help of Ukrainian, mostly Galician, nationalists.

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Moreover, the Red Army, in which Russian soldiers were the majority, paid a heavy price in the battle against Nazism as also did ethnic Russian civilians.

    Therefore, nothing in Jewish-Ukrainian historical interactions can be compared to Jewish-Russian interactions.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  325. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123


    Palestinian Jews would like non-Palestinian Islamists to leave while allowing Palestinian Christians to stay. Imagine how joyous Bethlehem would be at Christmas once free of Muslim occupation.
     
    I don't care who you think the real Palestinians are. Everyone there deserves each other. They're just enjoying the drama too much to realise it. From what I've recently read, Barak's plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure. This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    Replies: @A123

    This expansionist dream you have is stupid and not going to happen. Yes, another 80 years of this ridiculous fight would be even worse, but enacting your plans would probably just extend it in other ways, while being otherwise totally objectionable.

    Iranian Hamas unilaterally destroyed the fresh water supply for Gaza. Barring some massive breakthrough in technology, desalination is unaffordable. There is no hope until consumption adjusts to the natural resource problem that Islamic colonists created for themselves. The only option to alleviate the suffering is for ~75% of the population to move to a new source of potable water.

    Once over 1MM people are on the move out of physical necessity, it opens the door for new thinking. There no reason why a larger movement is inherently objectionable. Physically separating the bulk of the incompatible populations largely fixes the problem. They may not like each other, but the hot heads cannot turn rage into action.

    Barak’s plan in 2000 was reasonable. The Israelis are just waiting for a Palestinian leader with the credibility to agree, some sort of Mandela figure.

    There were options back in the late 70’s with the Carter efforts. Ehud Barak’s 2000 proposal was DOA before negotiations ever had a chance: (1)

    Arafat didn’t negotiate – He just kept saying no

    Arafat said no. Enraged, Clinton banged on the table and said: “You are leading your people and the region to a catastrophe.” A formal Palestinian rejection of the proposals reached the Americans the next day. The summit sputtered on for a few days more but to all intents and purposes it was over.

    Today Barak portrays Arafat’s behaviour at Camp David as a “performance” geared to exacting from the Israelis as many concessions as possible without ever seriously intending to reach a peace settlement or sign an “end to the conflict”.

    “He did not negotiate in good faith; indeed, he did not negotiate at all. He just kept saying no to every offer, never making any counterproposals of his own,” he says.

    Arafat’s successor Abbas is equally intransigent. He is in the 19th year of his 4 year term in office. Fatah has shaky control in the West Bank. Even more awful Iranian Hamas rules with an iron fist in Gaza.

    Coherent & credible leadership from the Muslim colonies would improve the situation. However, there seems little hope of such figures appearing.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

  326. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen


    I don’t dispute that Ukraine is a corrupt Mafia state (Russia is a Fascist state mostly free from low and mid level civilian corruption
     
    Russia is no more fascist state than the US. In fact, there is a lot more variety of opinions in Russian MSM, whereas the “unanimity” of American MSM today is the same that was in Hitler’s Germany in late 1930s.

    My university censored out numerous websites and whole domains. To be fair, I can easily access the sites that it censored out via my home internet service provider and via my cellphone. I recently flew to Kenya via France. Experimentally I found that France censored out the same sites that my University, whereas in Kenya there is freedom of speech: no internet censorship.

    If you want to call someone fascist, Ukraine qualifies with its extrajudicial imprisonment, murders, and torture of political prisoners.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Zero point trying to debate with this subhuman scum Phillip Owen, as if he is giving genuine viewpoint and argument…..and not a total POS.

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state. I think there are several aspects of American life that are undesirable but if it’s domestic life is “fascist” is not something I think, but “fascism” is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    How you could say the American state system in domestic form is fascist is how subhuman diaspora lobby groups and other ones ( shale companies or areas where shale oil/gas international exportation are desired) via their voting and financing help determine domestic governments …..which then helps dictate their international policy in addition to “deep state” psychopaths.

    No other country in the world does international policy get dictated for such insidious reasons to a foreign state for its own domestic reasons – and often by people with zero or superficial knowledge of the country they are trying to dictate to.

    One thing to remember at the start of last year under American assistance, the 3 countries being directed the most to move away from Russia:

    Moldova – leader of opposition, former President Dodon – house arrest

    Ukraine/404- leader of opposition Medvedchuk – house arrest,then jail, then treated as a POW under violation of about a million different international laws ( and fkheadistan has zero problem with impossible to serve in military, as 69 years old, Medvedchuk getting treated as POW), former President Valtsman/Poroshenko – is serious possibility of getting jail
    Gruzia – oppositionist, former President Saakashvili…..in jail ( a great thing, but for completely wrong reasons)

    Moldova has some American funded and educated Romanian bitch as President, with most of the Constitutional court and top government positions Romanian passport holders.

    Its a combination of anti-Russian political purges, and fighting for American pigfeed…..by accusing eachother of being anti-Russian that perfectly shows the pitiful freakshow that is post-soviet , anti-democratic, anti-Russian statehood under American control.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    if it’s domestic life is “fascist” is not something I think, but “fascism” is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.
     
    There used to be a disconnect between the US foreign and domestic policy. Every mass murderer in Latin America, all those somosas, papa docs, and pinochets, came to power with the US backing. All over the world the US always found the worst scum a country had to offer and elevated it to power. Militant Ukie nationalists represent a recent example. But internally the regime treated people with kid gloves. It maintained the distance between the two spheres, even Guantanamo concentration camp was established technically not on the US soil.

    However, in the 21st century chickens are coming home to roost. So-called “Patriot Act” trampled constitutional liberties. Numerous Jan 6 demonstrators were sent to prison for nothing, whereas a government thug who murdered an unarmed woman in public was not even investigated. The US government is stealing assets of people and other countries, even though theft is against the law. Public figures who do not toe the woke/pro-Ukie line are losing their jobs, journalists are banished from MSM. Censorship is raising its ugly head everywhere. The chorus of MSM, often copy-pasting from the same script, now rivals the unanimity of the media in Hitler’s Germany. The US is not there yet, but the direction in which it is moving is most unsavory.
    , @Greasy William
    @Gerard1234


    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state
     
    Personalist regime, merging of the state and corporate sectors, militarism, expansionism. Contemporary Russia governance definitely has some fascist elements. Only Russia's complete lack of racialism, it could even be fairly described as anti racialist, would prevent classifying Russia as a truly fascist state.

    The closest thing there is today to the Fascist systems that existed in Europe during the 1930's is China under the CCP. Russia is more like "fascism with Russian characteristics"
  327. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Ukrainian nationalists were “The Pogromists” par excellence, Zhido comes first in the Zhido-Moskal – the mythical archenemy of the Ukrainian nationhood.
     
    I'm not myopic enough to dispute what you've written here, and even would add that some within the Ukrainian American diaspora have heartily embraced the term of "Zhydo-Banderivtsi" when describing Ukraine's current crop of political leaders, but don't you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine's history? Wasn't the banishment of Jews to the Pale of Settlement (mostly within Ukraine) a reflection of Russian chauvinist mentality?

    And weren't the poroms (also within Ukraine) directed against the Jews by the Russian Black Hundreds in the early 20th century another result of strong Russian chauvinism? The Black Hundreds also were known for burning down Ukrainian schools and cultural centers, very reminiscent of what's going on within Ukraine today. As far as the "zhydo-Moskal" imagery that you refer to, I think that it developed in response to the real perception that so many Bolsheviks from the north that invaded Ukraine, had a Jewish ethnic identity.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history?

    I don’t.

    The Jews have never been “expulsed to the Pale of Settlement” they lived in the Pale of Settlement when the Tsarist Empire annexed these lands. The policy was to prevent them from migrating to the Great Russian core where they have never lived in significant numbers before the revolution. Any Jew who got higher education or became a first guild merchant was accepted beyond the Pale and in the capitals. I have personally known Jews in Moscow and Piter whose ancestors came there in the nineteenth century simply because they studied and were successful. Also, Jewish settlers have been allowed in the Novorossya towns and especially Odessa where they prospered.

    The actions of the Black Hundreds were mostly in response to the terrorist attacks by the (mostly) Jewish Socialist radicals. A pale equivalent of what the Israeli do today to punish the Palestinians after any terrorist attack against Jewish citizens.

    These two historical aspects of Tsarism doen’t even come close to Uman’ massacre, the pogroms under Petliyura and the second World War extermination of Jews in Ukraine carried with the help of Ukrainian, mostly Galician, nationalists.

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Moreover, the Red Army, in which Russian soldiers were the majority, paid a heavy price in the battle against Nazism as also did ethnic Russian civilians.

    Therefore, nothing in Jewish-Ukrainian historical interactions can be compared to Jewish-Russian interactions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.
     
    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III's and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III's "fierce hatred of the Jews", and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it's unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura's government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:


    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.
     
    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura's government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke

  328. Something I don’t get is why so many pro-Putin Russians and their supporters live in Western countries, especially the UK. They hate the “evil UK/West” so much yet still consider it better to live here than in their own shithole. Isn’t that kind of pathetic when you think about it?

    I recall an article a few months back about a Russian in the UK who attacked someone in a car park because his car had a Ukrainian bumper sticker on it. Sadly I don’t think this sentiment from Russians is particularly rare in the UK, yet why do they stay here? Are they sleeper cells?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Europe Europa


    Are they sleeper cells?
     
    Probably just waiting for their chance to poison you with Ricin or Novichok.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Europe Europa

    1) Most Russians in UK or anywhere else in the West are not pro-Putin.

    2) Specifically about UK, most Russians who got there were either higher skills people in science, finance or technology or they were rich and brought copious amounts of money.

    3) Ukrainian nationalists targeted Russian community organizations such as schools, kindergartens and even Russian Orthodox Churches. In the early days of Ukraine war the Church where my mother prays has been entered by a group of mostly young exalted Ukrainians who claimed the usual vulgar anti-Putin slogans (Путин - ху☆ло, ПТН ПНХ etc.) The police, paid with our taxes had to come in and escort these morons outside the temple. The police had to keep patrol cars nearby for a couple of months.

    If I was near the Church that day, I would have probably jumped one of these assholes despite me being against Putin since his day one at the presidency of the RusFed, not being a Christian and being probably the most anti-war commenter on UR.

    Re. living in our shit-hole. No problems, give us back the two trillion $$$ that our oligarchic scum stole with the Western blessing, and that Western banks gladly accepted, then leave us alone for two - three generations to sort it out back home and we would probably go back en masse.

    But we both know that it ain't going to happen. Probably the opposite will...

  329. @Europe Europa
    Something I don't get is why so many pro-Putin Russians and their supporters live in Western countries, especially the UK. They hate the "evil UK/West" so much yet still consider it better to live here than in their own shithole. Isn't that kind of pathetic when you think about it?

    I recall an article a few months back about a Russian in the UK who attacked someone in a car park because his car had a Ukrainian bumper sticker on it. Sadly I don't think this sentiment from Russians is particularly rare in the UK, yet why do they stay here? Are they sleeper cells?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Are they sleeper cells?

    Probably just waiting for their chance to poison you with Ricin or Novichok.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @German_reader

    You make light of those attacks, yet if a British agent did the same in Russia you'd scream blue bloody murder.

    Replies: @German_reader

  330. @German_reader
    @Europe Europa


    Are they sleeper cells?
     
    Probably just waiting for their chance to poison you with Ricin or Novichok.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    You make light of those attacks, yet if a British agent did the same in Russia you’d scream blue bloody murder.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Europe Europa

    Well, I concede your main point, I always thought it was pretty sick that a Russian chauvinist like Karlin had British citizenship and was unwilling to give it up. I have zero sympathy for diaspora nationalists of any kind.
    I still think you deserved to be made fun of though, because you made a valid point in a silly way.

  331. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    If “losing” the war involves Russia leaving Ukraine and a return to normalcy then the consequences for normal people would be positive.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    If Russia withdrew from Ukraine I imagine it would all be forgotten in a month, and normal economic ties resumed. It’s incredible how few Western companies have left Russia even with the ongoing invasion and that they are still allowed a platform at the UN. They really have got off incredibly lightly.

    Westerners are not very vengeful contrarian to Russian claims. I find most British and Americans uncommitted, ideologically vague and more than a bit cowardly. Hence Russia is able to run rings around the West despite not having particularly intelligent leadership themselves.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Europe Europa

    Nah the US would start to sponsor Mongol separatists. More money to spend on Chechen separatists.

  332. @Europe Europa
    Something I don't get is why so many pro-Putin Russians and their supporters live in Western countries, especially the UK. They hate the "evil UK/West" so much yet still consider it better to live here than in their own shithole. Isn't that kind of pathetic when you think about it?

    I recall an article a few months back about a Russian in the UK who attacked someone in a car park because his car had a Ukrainian bumper sticker on it. Sadly I don't think this sentiment from Russians is particularly rare in the UK, yet why do they stay here? Are they sleeper cells?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    1) Most Russians in UK or anywhere else in the West are not pro-Putin.

    2) Specifically about UK, most Russians who got there were either higher skills people in science, finance or technology or they were rich and brought copious amounts of money.

    3) Ukrainian nationalists targeted Russian community organizations such as schools, kindergartens and even Russian Orthodox Churches. In the early days of Ukraine war the Church where my mother prays has been entered by a group of mostly young exalted Ukrainians who claimed the usual vulgar anti-Putin slogans (Путин – ху☆ло, ПТН ПНХ etc.) The police, paid with our taxes had to come in and escort these morons outside the temple. The police had to keep patrol cars nearby for a couple of months.

    If I was near the Church that day, I would have probably jumped one of these assholes despite me being against Putin since his day one at the presidency of the RusFed, not being a Christian and being probably the most anti-war commenter on UR.

    Re. living in our shit-hole. No problems, give us back the two trillion $$$ that our oligarchic scum stole with the Western blessing, and that Western banks gladly accepted, then leave us alone for two – three generations to sort it out back home and we would probably go back en masse.

    But we both know that it ain’t going to happen. Probably the opposite will…

  333. German_reader says:
    @Europe Europa
    @German_reader

    You make light of those attacks, yet if a British agent did the same in Russia you'd scream blue bloody murder.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Well, I concede your main point, I always thought it was pretty sick that a Russian chauvinist like Karlin had British citizenship and was unwilling to give it up. I have zero sympathy for diaspora nationalists of any kind.
    I still think you deserved to be made fun of though, because you made a valid point in a silly way.

  334. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    I think the general issue is that politics is about power, not necessarily truth or morality, and ability to wield power doesn’t only depend on the intellect, or always living up to standards of truth and morality.
     
    Intellect is extremely important for getting your hands on power, and has only become more important as we've moved into the age of the large bureaucratic state.

    Parts of Leninism and parts of Marxism (the ‘Early Marx’) seem to be enjoying a bit of a renaissance in influence lately.
     
    Do they? I don't see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    Marx has just become a signifier for "concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept" which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism, more a healthy societal instinct that often gets taken too far.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism…

    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    How do you judge what motivated Marx?
     
    While I'm sure he had all manner of personal, projected and sublimated motivations, it is easy to see how concerned he was with the industrial poor when you read his works.

    One need not demonise someone to reject their ideas.

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?
     
    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  335. @Ivashka the fool
    @S

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as "robbers" attacking a "peaceful merchants caravan". Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : "Just what are they hiding ?"

    Well, it's easy to understand if one pays attention...

    Replies: @A123, @S

    I agree that it is quite strange. Perhaps they have time travel machines, as in the Time Patrol series by Poul Anderson that I liked reading when I was a kid. Would explain things.

    Hehe, that is an intriguing thought. Wasn’t familiar with the Time Patrol series until just now and checking them out. I find the Polanski London townhouse art piece to be something like a real life Rod Serling Night Gallery painting myself. 🙂

    Re. the Tollense battle, funny how they first described it as the most important battle of the whole European Bronze Age period, then analyzed the genetics, never published the haplogroups, and then stopped talking about it, now just presenting it as “robbers” attacking a “peaceful merchants caravan”. Klyosov has written about it, half seriously wondereding : “Just what are they hiding ?”

    Large numbers of West European self proclaimed ‘progressives’ are basically suicidal and sado-masochistic in their outlook and are constantly looking for something (anything!) they can beat themselves and their own over the head with.

    I once heard here in the states a radio announcer, presumably ‘Anglo’ himself, announcing with what seemed near glee that Anglo demographics had ‘had it’ in a particular state.

    So why in this case would they hide something perhaps reflecting negatively in regards to West Europeans?

    Having said that, and doing my own independent reading of US history where I found certain things we are taught didn’t match the actual events which occurred, I don’t preclude the possibility of human genetic history being distorted, or, simply lied about, for their own reasons..ie ‘out of Africa’ theory possibly.

  336. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Zero point trying to debate with this subhuman scum Phillip Owen, as if he is giving genuine viewpoint and argument.....and not a total POS.

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state. I think there are several aspects of American life that are undesirable but if it's domestic life is "fascist" is not something I think, but "fascism" is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    How you could say the American state system in domestic form is fascist is how subhuman diaspora lobby groups and other ones ( shale companies or areas where shale oil/gas international exportation are desired) via their voting and financing help determine domestic governments .....which then helps dictate their international policy in addition to "deep state" psychopaths.

    No other country in the world does international policy get dictated for such insidious reasons to a foreign state for its own domestic reasons - and often by people with zero or superficial knowledge of the country they are trying to dictate to.

    One thing to remember at the start of last year under American assistance, the 3 countries being directed the most to move away from Russia:

    Moldova - leader of opposition, former President Dodon - house arrest

    Ukraine/404- leader of opposition Medvedchuk - house arrest,then jail, then treated as a POW under violation of about a million different international laws ( and fkheadistan has zero problem with impossible to serve in military, as 69 years old, Medvedchuk getting treated as POW), former President Valtsman/Poroshenko - is serious possibility of getting jail
    Gruzia - oppositionist, former President Saakashvili.....in jail ( a great thing, but for completely wrong reasons)

    Moldova has some American funded and educated Romanian bitch as President, with most of the Constitutional court and top government positions Romanian passport holders.

    Its a combination of anti-Russian political purges, and fighting for American pigfeed.....by accusing eachother of being anti-Russian that perfectly shows the pitiful freakshow that is post-soviet , anti-democratic, anti-Russian statehood under American control.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    if it’s domestic life is “fascist” is not something I think, but “fascism” is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    There used to be a disconnect between the US foreign and domestic policy. Every mass murderer in Latin America, all those somosas, papa docs, and pinochets, came to power with the US backing. All over the world the US always found the worst scum a country had to offer and elevated it to power. Militant Ukie nationalists represent a recent example. But internally the regime treated people with kid gloves. It maintained the distance between the two spheres, even Guantanamo concentration camp was established technically not on the US soil.

    However, in the 21st century chickens are coming home to roost. So-called “Patriot Act” trampled constitutional liberties. Numerous Jan 6 demonstrators were sent to prison for nothing, whereas a government thug who murdered an unarmed woman in public was not even investigated. The US government is stealing assets of people and other countries, even though theft is against the law. Public figures who do not toe the woke/pro-Ukie line are losing their jobs, journalists are banished from MSM. Censorship is raising its ugly head everywhere. The chorus of MSM, often copy-pasting from the same script, now rivals the unanimity of the media in Hitler’s Germany. The US is not there yet, but the direction in which it is moving is most unsavory.

  337. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Do they? I don’t see a lot of evidence of that. Where?
     
    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    Marx has just become a signifier for “concerned for the oppressed/poor/inept” which is an annoying signifier but not actually Marxism...
     
    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    How do you judge what motivated Marx?

    While I’m sure he had all manner of personal, projected and sublimated motivations, it is easy to see how concerned he was with the industrial poor when you read his works.

    One need not demonise someone to reject their ideas.

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?

    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.
     
    I'm thinking about who would know about it and be talking or writing about it? There seem to be different ways for ideas to be influential.

    For example, something about Western Marxism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism#:~:text=Western%20Marxism%20is%20a%20current%20of%20Marxist%20theory,Marxism%20and%20the%20Marxism-Leninism%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union.

    Many Western Marxists believe the philosophical key to Marxism is found in the works of the Young Marx...
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Marx

    Could there be ideas around to suggest that the influence of Western Marxist thought is higher now than it was 10-15 years ago?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  338. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's just nonsense. Of course it was the Americans who blew up the Nordstream pipelines, you just don't want to accept it, because it would complicate your nice and tidy story about Russian imperialism being the only problem. Because it actually reveals what this conflict really is, a great power conflict where all the Europeans are essentially just powerless pawns, and where US elites certainly aren't acting out of altruistic concern for the best interests of Europeans, or even Ukrainians.
    Incidentally for me this also totally undermines the case that it always being made here that it was intolerable for Ukraine to accept the Minsk agreements, because of them being so horribly unfair, limiting Ukrainian sovereignty etc. Well, it's crystal clear now that even a major country like Germany doesn't have real sovereignty and is essentially in a master-servant relationship with the American hegemon. Why the hell should anyone think the kind of Russian influence in Ukraine that existed before 2014 was some intolerable injustice given this context?
    And saying those pipelines were destroyed by an accident (not even a Russian false flag operation, which might at least have some plausibility, albeit infinitesimally small), that's just beyond silly. Are you happy to be in the company of total crackpots like A123?

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    Have no problem accepting facts, which can be called inconvienent truths, just can’t wrap head around why this type of “sourced” drivel from not investigating, but parroting journo, is considered as unquestionable evidence, allegedly certainly confirming such truths:

    Today, the secretary general of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    Meanwhile in real life, teenager “commited anti-communist, cooperating with US spies” Stoltenberg during Vietnam era:

    Stoltenberg’s first steps into politics came in his early teens, when he was influenced by his sister Camilla, who at the time was a member of the then Marxist–Leninist group Red Youth. Opposition to the Vietnam War was his triggering motivation. Following heavy bombing raids against the North Vietnamese port city of Hai Phong at the end of the Vietnam War, he participated in protest rallies targeting the United States Embassy in Oslo. On at least one occasion embassy windows were broken by stone-throwing protesters. Several of Stoltenberg’s friends were arrested by the police after these events.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Stoltenberg

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Hersh's story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he's old, well past his prime and apparently doesn't employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him "a parroting journo"...well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn't an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like "The Americans would never do something like this, it's against their values!". Yeah, right :-)

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it's even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a "conspiracy theory". So I'm not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Jens Stoltenberg is a son of a well known Norwegian political figure. Do we want to see how far down the rabbit hole his history as an informant might go? Really?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorvald_Stoltenberg

    wifu was also a oddball. American girls


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Stoltenberg

  339. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Zero point trying to debate with this subhuman scum Phillip Owen, as if he is giving genuine viewpoint and argument.....and not a total POS.

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state. I think there are several aspects of American life that are undesirable but if it's domestic life is "fascist" is not something I think, but "fascism" is obviously a huge part of how it effectively now governs internationally all across the world.

    How you could say the American state system in domestic form is fascist is how subhuman diaspora lobby groups and other ones ( shale companies or areas where shale oil/gas international exportation are desired) via their voting and financing help determine domestic governments .....which then helps dictate their international policy in addition to "deep state" psychopaths.

    No other country in the world does international policy get dictated for such insidious reasons to a foreign state for its own domestic reasons - and often by people with zero or superficial knowledge of the country they are trying to dictate to.

    One thing to remember at the start of last year under American assistance, the 3 countries being directed the most to move away from Russia:

    Moldova - leader of opposition, former President Dodon - house arrest

    Ukraine/404- leader of opposition Medvedchuk - house arrest,then jail, then treated as a POW under violation of about a million different international laws ( and fkheadistan has zero problem with impossible to serve in military, as 69 years old, Medvedchuk getting treated as POW), former President Valtsman/Poroshenko - is serious possibility of getting jail
    Gruzia - oppositionist, former President Saakashvili.....in jail ( a great thing, but for completely wrong reasons)

    Moldova has some American funded and educated Romanian bitch as President, with most of the Constitutional court and top government positions Romanian passport holders.

    Its a combination of anti-Russian political purges, and fighting for American pigfeed.....by accusing eachother of being anti-Russian that perfectly shows the pitiful freakshow that is post-soviet , anti-democratic, anti-Russian statehood under American control.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    Obviously Russia is the complete opposite of fascist state

    Personalist regime, merging of the state and corporate sectors, militarism, expansionism. Contemporary Russia governance definitely has some fascist elements. Only Russia’s complete lack of racialism, it could even be fairly described as anti racialist, would prevent classifying Russia as a truly fascist state.

    The closest thing there is today to the Fascist systems that existed in Europe during the 1930’s is China under the CCP. Russia is more like “fascism with Russian characteristics”

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  340. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Have no problem accepting facts, which can be called inconvienent truths, just can't wrap head around why this type of "sourced" drivel from not investigating, but parroting journo, is considered as unquestionable evidence, allegedly certainly confirming such truths:


    Today, the secretary general of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.
     
    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    Meanwhile in real life, teenager "commited anti-communist, cooperating with US spies" Stoltenberg during Vietnam era:


    Stoltenberg's first steps into politics came in his early teens, when he was influenced by his sister Camilla, who at the time was a member of the then Marxist–Leninist group Red Youth. Opposition to the Vietnam War was his triggering motivation. Following heavy bombing raids against the North Vietnamese port city of Hai Phong at the end of the Vietnam War, he participated in protest rallies targeting the United States Embassy in Oslo. On at least one occasion embassy windows were broken by stone-throwing protesters. Several of Stoltenberg's friends were arrested by the police after these events.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Stoltenberg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Hersh’s story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he’s old, well past his prime and apparently doesn’t employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him “a parroting journo”…well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn’t an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like “The Americans would never do something like this, it’s against their values!”. Yeah, right 🙂

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it’s even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a “conspiracy theory”. So I’m not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    We also know Russia didn't want NS1 working as they had already closed it on false pretences while wanting NS2 open.

    Here's a video of Putin saying this just a week before the explosions:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwr52HNIYks

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn’t an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).
     
    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    You have yet to add a credible proposed explanation. Everyone sees that you are running away, rather than answering simple questions about your own theory.
    ___

    If you insist on sabotage, there are multiple other actors to consider, such as:

    4. The Poles (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    5. European WEF Globalists (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    6. Anti hydrocarbon European Greens

    Feel free to add to this list.

    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like “The Americans would never do something like this, it’s against their values!”. Yeah, right
     
    Not-The-President Biden's regime has less information security capability than a group of high school cheerleaders. Any U.S. plan would have been blown long before it got underway. Only nutters with an irrational anti-American bias insist on the White House occupant's competent decision making. Yeah, right.

    I’m not wedded to any specific details of his story.
     
    • Can you give any details?
    • How about even vague notions?

    Again, it is your responsibility to at least propose something that handles the timing & geography.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    On Jens Stoltenberg, he is the son of a well known Norwegian politician and was somehow involved in Norwegian anti-vietnam war protests as a teen. I thought the brief mention of his role as a CIA asset (even as a teen like Greta Thunberg) was fascinating.

    You may call Jens a Redneck, a Trollhunter or a Sealcubbing Polarbearshooting Quisling, it rolls off his back like water off eiderduck fuzz but call him a CIA agent, look at how he recoils : "I've been found out!"

  341. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    but don’t you really think that Russian anti-Jewish behavior rivals the worst of what could be seen within Ukraine’s history?
     
    I don't.

    The Jews have never been "expulsed to the Pale of Settlement" they lived in the Pale of Settlement when the Tsarist Empire annexed these lands. The policy was to prevent them from migrating to the Great Russian core where they have never lived in significant numbers before the revolution. Any Jew who got higher education or became a first guild merchant was accepted beyond the Pale and in the capitals. I have personally known Jews in Moscow and Piter whose ancestors came there in the nineteenth century simply because they studied and were successful. Also, Jewish settlers have been allowed in the Novorossya towns and especially Odessa where they prospered.

    The actions of the Black Hundreds were mostly in response to the terrorist attacks by the (mostly) Jewish Socialist radicals. A pale equivalent of what the Israeli do today to punish the Palestinians after any terrorist attack against Jewish citizens.

    These two historical aspects of Tsarism doen't even come close to Uman' massacre, the pogroms under Petliyura and the second World War extermination of Jews in Ukraine carried with the help of Ukrainian, mostly Galician, nationalists.

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Moreover, the Red Army, in which Russian soldiers were the majority, paid a heavy price in the battle against Nazism as also did ethnic Russian civilians.

    Therefore, nothing in Jewish-Ukrainian historical interactions can be compared to Jewish-Russian interactions.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.

    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III’s “fierce hatred of the Jews”, and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura’s government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:

    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.

    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura’s government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist.
     
    French jury begs to differ.

    On 25 May 1926 Sholom Schwartzbard murdered Petliura in Paris. He never denied the fact and stated that he murdered Petliura because he was responsible for 1919-1920 pogroms, in one of which 15 members of Schwartzbard’s family were murdered. French jury acquitted him.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:
     
    I doubt the Tsar hated the Jews. He just didn't cave in to the Jewish international finance circles pressuring him to allow an unlimited migration of Jews from the Pale of Settlement and into the main Great Russian cities.



    Regarding the Black Hundreds' pogroms, you should read Solzhenitsin and even better Galkovsky to understand the dynamics. It were the early symptoms of the coming Revolution and Civil War. The Jewry in and outside Russian Empire supported the Revolution financially, through propaganda, and by sending weapons to the Socialist Boiyeviki militias. In Odessa, in 1905 the militias were better armed than the cops and way better armed and organized than the Black Hundreds.

    The Imperial government tried to change the legislation and equalize the status of all citizens including the inorodcy , and it (unfortunately) denied any substantial support to the Russian nationalists. Imperial government adopted a policy of appeasement towards the diasporas.

    One of the reasons of the lukewarm relationship between the Black Hundreds, the Russian Popular Union of Archangel Michael, and the Imperial elite, was due to a substantial proportion of the Imperial bureaucracy and higher bourgeoisie being Ostsee Germans from the Baltic nobility, or Polish.

    Russian nationalists decried the privileges of the ethnic minorities, not only Ostsee Germans and German colonists in Novorossya and the Volga region, but also Armenians in the Krasnodar region. They acted in defense of the ethnic Russian bourgeoisie in its competition against different diasporas and foreign influences. They also supported the emancipation of the Russian peasantry and were mostly Slavophile and deeply devout Orthodox Christians.

    I personally think Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.

    the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II
     
    Rumors ?

    The proportion of Jewish militants in the Socialist terrorist organizations was an order of magnitude higher than their proportion in the Empire's population. Of course, Russian saw the Jewry as an hostile force. Especially with the support it received from abroad, mainly UK and USA. The Revolution has proven right those who saw Russian Empire's Jewry as a mainly destructive force. With only a few exceptions, the Jews of the Empire jumped on the revolutionary bandwagon and committed atrocities against the ethnic Slavs and especially Cossacks that dwarf the pogroms in both scope and intensity. The Jewish Comissar cliché was not a Nazi invention, it was real.

    History has proven early Russian ethnic nationalists right. Just like it will probably prove right Russian ethnic nationalists and national democrats right in RusFed in the near future. Unfortunately, the intellectuals and the elites rejected the Black Hundreds and the present day Russian nationalists. And they ended up paying the price, just like they would probably end up paying the price of Russian people's betrayal in RusFed too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier). Anyone conducting pogroms of Jews would have been a Ukie (Baba Yar is a great example of Ukies without Russian restraint later on), Polish or possibly Greek (this was the case in Odessa). The Russians generally reigned the exuberant excesses in prosecuting rioters.


    the era of pogroms in Odessa was Greeks v Jews and the Jews were no innocent party to the conflict and the Imperial Russians were protective of Jewish interests while personally loathing the scum.

    Nicholas II was a favorite grandson of Queen Victoria and the Danish monarchs and they holidayed together in places like Bornholm, Balmoral and the Isle of Wight. They'd have not received him if he was a frothing at the mouth Antisemite. Victoria was very keen on Benjamin Disraeli and the Rothschilds among others. He was charming and funny by all accounts.

    In fact, Nicholas II suppressed and banned the Protocol of the elders of Zion and called foul on anyone using passages form it.


    Fat lot of Good it did him when the Jews raped and shot his family to death in Ekaterinburg.

  342. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.
     
    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III's and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III's "fierce hatred of the Jews", and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it's unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura's government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:


    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.
     
    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura's government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke

    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist.

    French jury begs to differ.

    On 25 May 1926 Sholom Schwartzbard murdered Petliura in Paris. He never denied the fact and stated that he murdered Petliura because he was responsible for 1919-1920 pogroms, in one of which 15 members of Schwartzbard’s family were murdered. French jury acquitted him.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    What a travesty of justice, where instead of sticking to the crime at hand, the assassination of Petliura on the streets of Paris, the French jury decided to become the arbiter of historical grievances. It's no wonder that such an inverted display of jurisprudence would appeal to your deeply engrained sovok sympathies, as the trial was a focal point of commie propaganda from beginning to end.

    I'm more swayed by the opinions of prominent Jews who lived through these events, not by the circus that was somehow substituted for a court of law. Arnold Margolin, a world renown Jewish legal scholar who lived through these events, had this to say about the times and Petliura's non-complicity in the pogroms:


    The heavy, responsible act which rests on all members of the government, is now further complicated by the tragic fact that the Jewish pogroms do not cease, and by the realization that the administration has proved powerless to check the terrible violence and murders which took place in Proskurov, Ananiev, etc. I well know that the government does all that is in its power to fight the pogroms. I also know the helplessness of all its members...The Ukrainian government has steadfastly set its face against the pogroms, and it has had no part or responsibility for them.
     
    No less a Jewish luminary than the Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky, perfectly echoes Margolin's sentiments:

    It is a fact that neither Petlyura nor Vynnechenko, nor any other prominent member of the Ukrainian government were pogrom makers. I have grown up with them, and I have fought with them against anti-semitism, no one will ever succeed in convincing any Zionist of Southern Russia or myself, that people of such type can be qualified as antisemites.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William

  343. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Will they sacrifice their economy for Putin?
     
    No. But they may believe that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything to respond to Chinese support for Russia.

    China's goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    I don't see China going all out to arm Russia, but rather giving Russia a lot of behind the scenes help like it has been doing so far with the implied threat that if the US places sanctions on China that China can respond by providing Russia with any and all equipment it needs. China (correctly, imo) calculates that the US is too degenerate and gay to do anything other than just accept this humiliation. I mean, come on, Biden is gonna sanction China? That would cause a huge economic hit to the United States and would be extremely unpopular with the Democrat's big donors. Further, the US knows that it would lose a proxy war against China and that the loss of this war would lead to the guaranteed fall of Taiwan once Ukraine was defeated.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine. The longer this conflict drags on, the less the US can permit Ukraine to fall. But Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. Russian territorial gains would remain unrecognized not only by the West but by most non aligned states as well, China included. Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    Replies: @Sean

    China’s goals are to keep the war going as long as possible and to increase Russian dependence on China. China lacks food and energy so having Russia as a junior partner provides them with the resources they need to have a full confrontation with the United States. The goal is not to ever have such a confrontation at all, but rather to have a credible enough threat that the US avoids responding to Chinese actions that the US disapproves of.

    China’s burgeoning strength is due to them winning every hand when abiding by the rules based order, so it is most improbable their actions will violate that order. America’s might though; everyone is happy to play by the rules whereby they are winning. For most of human history China had been around 30% of global GDP. Whether their share will go past in the decades to come is not knowable, yet it seems far from improbable.

    Ultimately it is all somewhat academic as the Russian military is a basket case and shows no capability of achieving operational breakthrough against Ukraine.

    Swift advances by tank drive are a thing of the past (questionable whether they ever were, or a fantasy of military men wishing to cut a dash dash–the advance in NW Europe was dependent of the speeed heady artillery could be mover forward to blast the Germans out of their positions) . Tactical is King. look at the evolving infantry infiltration of Wagner snail’s pace methods in Bakhmut accompanied by artillery support that–in a remarkable echo of the fire support of WW1 Sturmtruppen–is far from pinpoint yet intended to paralyze through mass affect rather than destroy opposing forces.

    Russia could conceivably batter Ukraine enough that Ukraine would be forced to accept an armistice where they give up the Donbas and Odessa and where Ukraine waives the right to join the EU.

    This would still be a severe strategic defeat for Russia. […] Russia would still remain heavily sanctioned and would forever lose its place as a great power, instead being converted into a glorified Chinese satellite.

    They will never ever forget they have to thank the US for that. Throughout the Cold War USSR/ Russia was closer to the US than to China. A complete reversal of that position is a tremendous victory for America? In one generation China alone will be the equal of the US, and assuming Russia is out of the ranks of superpowers they will thirst for revenge for what US did to them. While Russia will try to sic China on the US, it is really difficult to see the US getting into a land war in Asia. There are the islands, most notably Taiwan, and the sea lanes they control, but what Peter Zeihan never explains is now control of those sea lanes can contain the actual and highly successful commercial policy by China that is responsible for its growth. It cannot, they naval presence cannot choke China at all, not unless there is a war. So why on earth would China wish to start a war over islands that are only valuable in a war when doing so would be ceasing to play their strong suite of selling manufactured goods? America will have one generation to stop China by hook or crook and because of the war in Ukraine, were they to act, the US would have to watch their back for a incensed and lurking Russia in any military confrontation with China. After 2050, China will likely be the total equal of America. As De Maistre said hundreds of years ago

    Never is violence stopped by moderation. Never are powers balanced by anything other than contrary forces

  344. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Hersh's story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he's old, well past his prime and apparently doesn't employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him "a parroting journo"...well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn't an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like "The Americans would never do something like this, it's against their values!". Yeah, right :-)

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it's even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a "conspiracy theory". So I'm not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Wokechoke

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    We also know Russia didn’t want NS1 working as they had already closed it on false pretences while wanting NS2 open.

    Here’s a video of Putin saying this just a week before the explosions:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?
     
    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian...Putin is ruthless, but he's not crazy, and there's no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
    But militant Westerners like you will believe (or claim to believe) what's necessary to keep cracks from appearing in your world view. Not much point to a discussion

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  345. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Hersh's story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he's old, well past his prime and apparently doesn't employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him "a parroting journo"...well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn't an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like "The Americans would never do something like this, it's against their values!". Yeah, right :-)

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it's even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a "conspiracy theory". So I'm not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Wokechoke

    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn’t an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    You have yet to add a credible proposed explanation. Everyone sees that you are running away, rather than answering simple questions about your own theory.
    ___

    If you insist on sabotage, there are multiple other actors to consider, such as:

    4. The Poles (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    5. European WEF Globalists (without U.S. assistance or even notification)
    6. Anti hydrocarbon European Greens

    Feel free to add to this list.

    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like “The Americans would never do something like this, it’s against their values!”. Yeah, right

    Not-The-President Biden’s regime has less information security capability than a group of high school cheerleaders. Any U.S. plan would have been blown long before it got underway. Only nutters with an irrational anti-American bias insist on the White House occupant’s competent decision making. Yeah, right.

    I’m not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    • Can you give any details?
    • How about even vague notions?

    Again, it is your responsibility to at least propose something that handles the timing & geography.

    PEACE 😇

  346. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    We also know Russia didn't want NS1 working as they had already closed it on false pretences while wanting NS2 open.

    Here's a video of Putin saying this just a week before the explosions:



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwr52HNIYks

    Replies: @German_reader

    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?

    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
    But militant Westerners like you will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in your world view. Not much point to a discussion

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
     
    So the botched job by the Americans just so happened in the way Putin wanted?

    The US never opposed NS1 and it opposed NS2 vociferously for years. Putin meanwhile desperately wanted NS2 open and thought that Germany was reliant on Russian gas, and Putin even had even closed NS1 under false pretences the past few months.

    It is obvious who was motivated to ensure what happened, happened.

    The pipeline Putin wanted closed, got terminally closed. The pipeline Putin wanted opened, was still operable. Meanwhile, it was literally the other way around for the US.


    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
     
    No, NS1 being terminally inoperable, and NS2 being able to be opened, immeasurably strengthened his position that, for gas to be delivered, Germany would have to certify NS2's opening. It only didn't work because Germany had been secretly ensuring that it would have more than enough gas for the winter.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

  347. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Hersh's story may well be wrong in the details, and yes, he's old, well past his prime and apparently doesn't employ good fact checkers anymore (the Stoltenberg thing is embarrassing, but calling him "a parroting journo"...well, unlike all the MSM propagandists he did actually uncover several major scandals in his career).
    However, there are basically just three possibilities regarding the destruction of the Nordstream pipelines (clearly sabotage, it wasn't an accident):
    1. Russia did it.
    2. The Ukrainians did it on their own.
    3. The US did it, maybe with assistance of some European NATO state (or even non-NATO like Sweden).

    Russia may have the ability to carry out such an attack, but no motive, unless one comes up with some absurdly contorted bizarro explanation (false flag for disinformation purposes or even more absurd stuff like insurance issues).
    Ukraine has motive, but probably not the capability to do something like this on its own.
    The US has both clear motive and capability. US responsibility is by far the most likely explanation, and the only argument against it is something like "The Americans would never do something like this, it's against their values!". Yeah, right :-)

    Btw, regarding Hersh, I think it's even possible that he has been fed deliberately false information by US intelligence circles, so they can point out holes and inconsistencies in his story and ridicule it as a "conspiracy theory". So I'm not wedded to any specific details of his story.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Wokechoke

    On Jens Stoltenberg, he is the son of a well known Norwegian politician and was somehow involved in Norwegian anti-vietnam war protests as a teen. I thought the brief mention of his role as a CIA asset (even as a teen like Greta Thunberg) was fascinating.

    You may call Jens a Redneck, a Trollhunter or a Sealcubbing Polarbearshooting Quisling, it rolls off his back like water off eiderduck fuzz but call him a CIA agent, look at how he recoils : “I’ve been found out!”

  348. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist.
     
    French jury begs to differ.

    On 25 May 1926 Sholom Schwartzbard murdered Petliura in Paris. He never denied the fact and stated that he murdered Petliura because he was responsible for 1919-1920 pogroms, in one of which 15 members of Schwartzbard’s family were murdered. French jury acquitted him.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    French Jury was full of kikes though.
     
    Not to my knowledge. You don’t need to be a Jew to wish a militant Ukie nationalist dead.

    Besides, jury decision has to be unanimous. Otherwise it’s hung jury = mistrial.
  349. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    How do you judge what motivated Marx?
     
    While I'm sure he had all manner of personal, projected and sublimated motivations, it is easy to see how concerned he was with the industrial poor when you read his works.

    One need not demonise someone to reject their ideas.

    How would one recognise and place them if they were?
     
    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.

    I’m thinking about who would know about it and be talking or writing about it? There seem to be different ways for ideas to be influential.

    For example, something about Western Marxism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism#:~:text=Western%20Marxism%20is%20a%20current%20of%20Marxist%20theory,Marxism%20and%20the%20Marxism-Leninism%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union.

    Many Western Marxists believe the philosophical key to Marxism is found in the works of the Young Marx…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Marx

    Could there be ideas around to suggest that the influence of Western Marxist thought is higher now than it was 10-15 years ago?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    The influence which you're referring to is Hegel's.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  350. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Have no problem accepting facts, which can be called inconvienent truths, just can't wrap head around why this type of "sourced" drivel from not investigating, but parroting journo, is considered as unquestionable evidence, allegedly certainly confirming such truths:


    Today, the secretary general of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.
     
    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

    Meanwhile in real life, teenager "commited anti-communist, cooperating with US spies" Stoltenberg during Vietnam era:


    Stoltenberg's first steps into politics came in his early teens, when he was influenced by his sister Camilla, who at the time was a member of the then Marxist–Leninist group Red Youth. Opposition to the Vietnam War was his triggering motivation. Following heavy bombing raids against the North Vietnamese port city of Hai Phong at the end of the Vietnam War, he participated in protest rallies targeting the United States Embassy in Oslo. On at least one occasion embassy windows were broken by stone-throwing protesters. Several of Stoltenberg's friends were arrested by the police after these events.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jens_Stoltenberg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke

    Jens Stoltenberg is a son of a well known Norwegian political figure. Do we want to see how far down the rabbit hole his history as an informant might go? Really?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorvald_Stoltenberg

    wifu was also a oddball. American girls

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karin_Stoltenberg

  351. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    As far as I can tell the article you posted is talking about material culture and doesn’t mention genetics at all.
     
    This is correct. They only write about archeological finds which show that the Maritime Bell-Beaker folks were the original population (as I have mentioned in my comments) and that the earlier migrations of the BB were along the coasts and major rivers. This obviously makes sense, the Neolithic trading roads existed, but they were rare and few between, on top of being ferociously defended around the important passage points as the Tollense River battle shows. Rivers were probably safer as a gateway to a potentially hostile territory.

    OTOH, the authors of the article being unaware of the paleogenetics, leads to some curious conclusions: such as writing that CWC being descended from Yamnaya, which of course is not true. Both populations co-existed in the pontic steppe during late Tripolye period and both later admixed with the Tripolye folks during the downfall of this first European Civilization, both would have been of a similar genetic makeup at their beginnings in Mesolithic Siberia, therefore it is not surprising that they are similar. Doesn't mean R1a descended from R1b, R1a is actually an earlier branch of the Y haplogroup R.


    But often by Bell Beaker you seem to mean groups where the majority of males belong to certain subclades of this haplogroup R-M269
     
    They would have been M269 and more precisely L11 P310.

    The image for the haplogroup Y R1b tree from Eupedia doesn't display correctly, so I paste the link below adding an X in the beginning to allow you to copy the https://... and to see the tree on your screen if you want to see how the different clades are related.

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.png

    We seem to know the two things do not necessarily overlap. Beakers are present among Iberian populations where there is little to no R-M269 of any sub clade, so no clear 1-1 connection between beakers and R-M269 .
     
    Have a look at the tree, the Iberian R1b are M269 and more precisely DF27 / S250, closely related to the Italo Gaulish R1b M269 U152 / S28. It's basically the same cluster. That would be original stock.

    Other Early Bronze Age Iberian populations would have been not Bell-Beaker folks, but native Old Europe people that the BB ended up dominating, mostly Megalithic Culture folks. So yeah, in the early days of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon, most populations in the Western Europe wouldn't have been Bell-Beaker folks. Then there was the Bell-Beaker complex intrusion, establishing tgrough conquest a social and cultural domination for centuries, and the cultural and genetic "conversion" of the Old Europe people to what would later become Iron Age European populations. But there was an original stock, and then there were the conquered "converted" populations. Think of Islamic Al Andalous or modern day Maghreb, truly Arab lineages were and still are a minority there, and yet most people there self-described for centuries and still see themselves as Arabs (genetically incorrect in 75% of the cases, but culturally very close).

    Would you need genetic evidence to go alongside the Beakers themselves, showing the relevant R-M269 subclades in North Africa and Iberia at the correct time period to re-establish a more robust connection?
     
    R1b is around 10 - 15% in Northern Maghreb, it might have come with Latin settlers and the Vandals, but some of it are possibly of a more ancient origin, perhaps some V88 would be found in the South among the Touareg, but I would think most R1b would be M269. We must keep in mind that the Maghreb has been at the crossroads of the East-West and North-South migrations for millenia, the fact that some ancient clades of R1b would have been lost or utterly diluted there, should not come as a surprise. Anyway, this information is still missing, but it would be interesting to look into this once it is documented.

    About Iberian peninsula, as written above, R1b people there are M269 of the Atlantic Iberian / Italo Gaulish cluster. See the tree for details.

    At the same time the arguments for a Lower Rhine origin of the Beaker style would need to be refuted.
     
    They are already refuted by the fact that earliest Bell-Beaker artifacts are found in the Maghreb and Iberian peninsula well before anything Bell-Beaker appears in the Rhine vicinity. However, the "mature", "stabilized" Bell-Beaker complex was possibly established in the Lower Rhine region. One doesn't contradict the other.

    The Lower Rhine and the Danubian Eastern Bell-Beaker folks would have been heavily admixed with the Old Europe populations and the Corded Ware Culture folks through their maternal side. Each generation would have diluted the original stock that appeared among the Iberian peninsula (Tagus estuary) Maritime Bell-Beaker population and probably was connected to the Northern Maghreb given that this is where the proto-Bell Beaker archeological finds have been located.

    Lastly, it seems like any theory which placed the origins of the relevant subclades of R-M269 in Central Europe, Caucuses, the edge of Yamnaya area etc. should be shown to be weaker than an out-of-Iberia theory. Not being the same sub-clade as Yamnaya doesn’t seem to entail origin in North Africa, at least as far as I can tell.
     
    Well, the overall origin of Y haplogroup R is Mesolithic Siberia. It always is a question of pinpointing where we start the description of a given population and its cultural package. The Maritime Bell-Beaker folks are the origin of the Bell-Beaker phenomenon. The cultural package seems to originate in Northern Morocco, there is where the most archaic finds were located. How the proto-Bell Beaker people got there is unknown.

    A mystery shrouded in an enigma.

    Although we know how R1b V88 got into Africa, so perhaps something similar might have happened to R1b M269 ancestral to the Bell-Beaker folks. But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    That's quite a combo as ancestry goes.

    (Just kidding).

    🙂

    Replies: @S, @Coconuts

    But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.

    I tend to associate interest in this topic in the West with interest in Aryanism and ‘Pan-German’ or WN perspectives, outside of academics and people with some special interests in archaeology.

    Would they mind the Waffen SS/Conquistador behaviour? The part about African origins or dusky complexions would be less appealing probably, maybe the race mixing on that scale would be a problem too.

    The Woke might be interested in terms of putting genocide at the origins of the West, OTOH the genetics part would be less welcome and the theory might have an ‘overkill’ feel about it. If these R1b were dark and came from Africa, there is another problem.

    I think you might have caught the attention of Mikel and me with the BB/R1b theory because of its potential relevance to high R1b populations like the Irish and Basques. The theory reminds me in some way of what I have read about Pan-Slavist ideas of ‘The West’. I think these are only going to be interesting for people from Western countries further West than Germany up to a certain point. The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.
     
    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an "Atlantic Civilization" vs the "Eurasian Civilization" of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikel, @Coconuts

  352. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Why would the Americans blow up NS1 and leave NS2 working?
     
    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian...Putin is ruthless, but he's not crazy, and there's no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
    But militant Westerners like you will believe (or claim to believe) what's necessary to keep cracks from appearing in your world view. Not much point to a discussion

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.

    So the botched job by the Americans just so happened in the way Putin wanted?

    The US never opposed NS1 and it opposed NS2 vociferously for years. Putin meanwhile desperately wanted NS2 open and thought that Germany was reliant on Russian gas, and Putin even had even closed NS1 under false pretences the past few months.

    It is obvious who was motivated to ensure what happened, happened.

    The pipeline Putin wanted closed, got terminally closed. The pipeline Putin wanted opened, was still operable. Meanwhile, it was literally the other way around for the US.

    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.

    No, NS1 being terminally inoperable, and NS2 being able to be opened, immeasurably strengthened his position that, for gas to be delivered, Germany would have to certify NS2’s opening. It only didn’t work because Germany had been secretly ensuring that it would have more than enough gas for the winter.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Absurdly contorted reasoning...one could say Putin was quite simply blackmailing Germany..."Lift sanctions/stop help killing Russian soldiers, or you won't get any gas"...really simple, no need for blowing up one's own pipelines, which would be rather counter-productive in that regard. US motive for destroying the pipelines is very clear by contrast (demonstration of power that Germany won't be allowed to have an independent foreign policy, removing the "temptation" of trying to cut a deal with Russia or even just making a diplomatic effort to end the war in Ukraine).
    But I think you know this, you don't come across as that stupid. Wokechoke may well have been correct when he once called you a professional hall monitor. Really tiresome...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    While I disagree with points on your theory. I appreciate that you presented one.

    If 1 of the 4 attacks failed, why is there no physical evidence?

    • A poor detonation would have been recorded acoustically.
    • A full fail should have yielded recovery of unexploded ordinance.

    Are you suggesting a post attack, impromptu conspiracy to race out and obtain the bomb that did not go off?
    __

    There is a real problem with militant anti-American europhiles like GR who will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in their Merkel worshipping WEF world view.

    They refuse to engage constructively and lash out with troll like anger. Very sad really.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

  353. @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    They would talk about his work a lot and talk about it accurately. They would also say they support it. This would mean that they would be materialist, teleological and class-based in their analysis.
     
    I'm thinking about who would know about it and be talking or writing about it? There seem to be different ways for ideas to be influential.

    For example, something about Western Marxism:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism#:~:text=Western%20Marxism%20is%20a%20current%20of%20Marxist%20theory,Marxism%20and%20the%20Marxism-Leninism%20of%20the%20Soviet%20Union.

    Many Western Marxists believe the philosophical key to Marxism is found in the works of the Young Marx...
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Marx

    Could there be ideas around to suggest that the influence of Western Marxist thought is higher now than it was 10-15 years ago?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The influence which you’re referring to is Hegel’s.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Hegel was a constitutional monarchist, not a Marxist.

  354. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.
     
    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III's and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III's "fierce hatred of the Jews", and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it's unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura's government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:


    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.
     
    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura's government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke

    Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    I doubt the Tsar hated the Jews. He just didn’t cave in to the Jewish international finance circles pressuring him to allow an unlimited migration of Jews from the Pale of Settlement and into the main Great Russian cities.

    [MORE]

    Regarding the Black Hundreds’ pogroms, you should read Solzhenitsin and even better Galkovsky to understand the dynamics. It were the early symptoms of the coming Revolution and Civil War. The Jewry in and outside Russian Empire supported the Revolution financially, through propaganda, and by sending weapons to the Socialist Boiyeviki militias. In Odessa, in 1905 the militias were better armed than the cops and way better armed and organized than the Black Hundreds.

    The Imperial government tried to change the legislation and equalize the status of all citizens including the inorodcy , and it (unfortunately) denied any substantial support to the Russian nationalists. Imperial government adopted a policy of appeasement towards the diasporas.

    One of the reasons of the lukewarm relationship between the Black Hundreds, the Russian Popular Union of Archangel Michael, and the Imperial elite, was due to a substantial proportion of the Imperial bureaucracy and higher bourgeoisie being Ostsee Germans from the Baltic nobility, or Polish.

    Russian nationalists decried the privileges of the ethnic minorities, not only Ostsee Germans and German colonists in Novorossya and the Volga region, but also Armenians in the Krasnodar region. They acted in defense of the ethnic Russian bourgeoisie in its competition against different diasporas and foreign influences. They also supported the emancipation of the Russian peasantry and were mostly Slavophile and deeply devout Orthodox Christians.

    I personally think Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.

    the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II

    Rumors ?

    The proportion of Jewish militants in the Socialist terrorist organizations was an order of magnitude higher than their proportion in the Empire’s population. Of course, Russian saw the Jewry as an hostile force. Especially with the support it received from abroad, mainly UK and USA. The Revolution has proven right those who saw Russian Empire’s Jewry as a mainly destructive force. With only a few exceptions, the Jews of the Empire jumped on the revolutionary bandwagon and committed atrocities against the ethnic Slavs and especially Cossacks that dwarf the pogroms in both scope and intensity. The Jewish Comissar cliché was not a Nazi invention, it was real.

    History has proven early Russian ethnic nationalists right. Just like it will probably prove right Russian ethnic nationalists and national democrats right in RusFed in the near future. Unfortunately, the intellectuals and the elites rejected the Black Hundreds and the present day Russian nationalists. And they ended up paying the price, just like they would probably end up paying the price of Russian people’s betrayal in RusFed too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    You provide an adequate summation of how and why the Black Hundreds were opposed to Jewish militants, but to state that the"Black Hundreds did nothing wrong." is going a bit too far. Their actions against Ukrainians and their cultural expression, within Ukraine, was reprehensible and could serve as a blueprint for the type of Great Russian chauvinism that I've grown to despise and that seems to thrive within Putler's thought process and his invasion of Ukraine today. :-(


    The Black Hundreds classified Ukrainians as Russians,[14] and attracted the support of many "Moscowphiles" who considered themselves Russian and rejected Ukrainian nationalism and identity.[15] The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.[16] In Odessa, the Black Hundreds shut down the local branch of the Ukrainian Prosvita society, an organization that was dedicated to spreading literacy in the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian cultural awareness.[15]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  355. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
     
    So the botched job by the Americans just so happened in the way Putin wanted?

    The US never opposed NS1 and it opposed NS2 vociferously for years. Putin meanwhile desperately wanted NS2 open and thought that Germany was reliant on Russian gas, and Putin even had even closed NS1 under false pretences the past few months.

    It is obvious who was motivated to ensure what happened, happened.

    The pipeline Putin wanted closed, got terminally closed. The pipeline Putin wanted opened, was still operable. Meanwhile, it was literally the other way around for the US.


    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
     
    No, NS1 being terminally inoperable, and NS2 being able to be opened, immeasurably strengthened his position that, for gas to be delivered, Germany would have to certify NS2's opening. It only didn't work because Germany had been secretly ensuring that it would have more than enough gas for the winter.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    Absurdly contorted reasoning…one could say Putin was quite simply blackmailing Germany…”Lift sanctions/stop help killing Russian soldiers, or you won’t get any gas”…really simple, no need for blowing up one’s own pipelines, which would be rather counter-productive in that regard. US motive for destroying the pipelines is very clear by contrast (demonstration of power that Germany won’t be allowed to have an independent foreign policy, removing the “temptation” of trying to cut a deal with Russia or even just making a diplomatic effort to end the war in Ukraine).
    But I think you know this, you don’t come across as that stupid. Wokechoke may well have been correct when he once called you a professional hall monitor. Really tiresome…

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Why would the US want to blow up the pipelines when this is what would happen? Literally no point on any level.

    See:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

    "The ball is in the EU's court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on and that's it," he said in a speech at an energy forum in Moscow.

    Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.

    Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, "Yes."

    "Independently of the possible sabotage of the two pipelines, we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1 there was no longer any gas flowing,'' Hoffmann told reporters.

    https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas. You're stuck trying to argue against reality because you're too mutton-headed to admit when wrong, which you should have done when it became obvious that only the Russian target of NS1 was made inoperable and not the US target of NS2. If Putin had wanted to blackmail Germany, he wouldn't be trying to sell them gas via NS2. He just wanted NS2 open, which is why he blew up NS1, once Germany lost patience with his lies as regards NS1 being broken.

    You're stuck defending a theory predicated on NS2 being inoperable and NS1 not. Even if you ludicrously say it was a botched job, there were other pipelines which Germany could have used to buy Putin's gas, which obviously the US would have known about.

    Blowing up NS1 in no way restricted Germany from buying Putin's gas. Or Putin's supposed blackmail. He could have continued regardless as other pipelines, not just NS2 existed.

    What stopped Putin's blackmail was that Germany had already secured more than enough gas. Putin got played by Germany, while Germany prepared. Hence why despite pipelines being available and Putin offering, it ended up being Germany cutting Putin off! They can't prove Russia did it, but it is clear they think Russia did.

    Read between the lines:

    "we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1"

    Or maybe now you're going to argue that the US blew up NS1 and left NS2 working as that is exactly what Putin wanted and so they were doing a false flag on Russia?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    She's from RUSI. Anyway, By Deception Shall We Wage War.

    I find it very difficult to believe that Industrialists in Germany are keen on a supply route from the East being sabotaged. Or that they want it.

  356. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    But we might never know, especially given that most Western Europeans interested into Y haplogroups and ancestry, are not being too fond of learning of their probable ancestors being in a sens the equivalent of the Moorish conquerors coupled with the Spanish Conquistadors with a Waffen SS type of warrior ethics and a polygamous sexual mores that would make early Mormons blush.
     
    I tend to associate interest in this topic in the West with interest in Aryanism and 'Pan-German' or WN perspectives, outside of academics and people with some special interests in archaeology.

    Would they mind the Waffen SS/Conquistador behaviour? The part about African origins or dusky complexions would be less appealing probably, maybe the race mixing on that scale would be a problem too.

    The Woke might be interested in terms of putting genocide at the origins of the West, OTOH the genetics part would be less welcome and the theory might have an 'overkill' feel about it. If these R1b were dark and came from Africa, there is another problem.

    I think you might have caught the attention of Mikel and me with the BB/R1b theory because of its potential relevance to high R1b populations like the Irish and Basques. The theory reminds me in some way of what I have read about Pan-Slavist ideas of 'The West'. I think these are only going to be interesting for people from Western countries further West than Germany up to a certain point. The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia's and the Post-Soviet area.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.

    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Europe is united, and under Germany. Only Belarus and Russia are fully left out. The continental power might not have a fertility, ethnic or cultural angle which you prefer, but nor does a single developed country, nor even developing ones that are many decades behind economically. Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too. You're going to have to realise why people are fine with modern Western policies, and even really like them, other than some conspiracy. Dismissing ideas you don't like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    From the previous thread.

    In your latest reply to me you mention an article about 11 Yamnaya remains that were found in Southern Russia where 8 of them had haplogroup R1b-Z2103 and another 2 had R1b-M269 and R1b-L23.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    From this you conclude the following:


    Most Yamnaya men were absolutely unrelated to the Bell-Beakers .../... the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe
     
    I think that this is wrong.

    But first of all let me say that I'm just trying to understand here because I realized in our discussion that I have some incomplete understanding of ancient migrations in Europe and you have clearly done much more reading on the subject than me, even though a good amount of it seems to be from online sources like Eupedia that I don't trust very much. I remember having read very questionable theories there in the past.

    Let me also clarify that I have no defined sympathies or allegiances in the Bell Beaker vs Corded Ware conflict. I find both kinds of pottery cool enough for the period :)

    So, for starters, you are making strong claims based on a very small sample of Yamnaya people located in a single place of EE. 8 of them had a haplogroup that is not found in Western Europe but even in this limited sample 2 individuals belonged to R1b clades that are upstream of those prevalent in Western Europe (from your own Eupedia image). All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    Furthermore, in the Wikipedia page on the Yamnaya we read the following:

    The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Besides:

    Haak et al. also note that their results state that haplogroup R-M269 spread into Europe from the East after 3000 BC.[68] Studies that analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal support the thesis that R-M269 was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Eastern European steppes.
     
    and from the Y haplogroup R1b Wikipedia page:

    Three genetic studies in 2015 gave support to the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas regarding the Proto-Indo-European homeland. According to those studies, haplogroups R1b-M269 and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also common in South Asia) would have expanded from the West Eurasian Steppe, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#Geographical_distribution

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Another Polish Perspective

    , @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.
     
    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.
     
    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the 'New European' as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn't be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I've been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool, @S

  357. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    NS2 was partially blown up too, it was simply a botched job.
     
    So the botched job by the Americans just so happened in the way Putin wanted?

    The US never opposed NS1 and it opposed NS2 vociferously for years. Putin meanwhile desperately wanted NS2 open and thought that Germany was reliant on Russian gas, and Putin even had even closed NS1 under false pretences the past few months.

    It is obvious who was motivated to ensure what happened, happened.

    The pipeline Putin wanted closed, got terminally closed. The pipeline Putin wanted opened, was still operable. Meanwhile, it was literally the other way around for the US.


    Claiming Russia did it is really Orwellian…Putin is ruthless, but he’s not crazy, and there’s no benefit to Russia from such an operation, it weakened their position and robbed them of leverage.
     
    No, NS1 being terminally inoperable, and NS2 being able to be opened, immeasurably strengthened his position that, for gas to be delivered, Germany would have to certify NS2's opening. It only didn't work because Germany had been secretly ensuring that it would have more than enough gas for the winter.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    While I disagree with points on your theory. I appreciate that you presented one.

    If 1 of the 4 attacks failed, why is there no physical evidence?

    • A poor detonation would have been recorded acoustically.
    • A full fail should have yielded recovery of unexploded ordinance.

    Are you suggesting a post attack, impromptu conspiracy to race out and obtain the bomb that did not go off?
    __

    There is a real problem with militant anti-American europhiles like GR who will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in their Merkel worshipping WEF world view.

    They refuse to engage constructively and lash out with troll like anger. Very sad really.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Thanks, and to add:

    Yes, we have lots of videos and quotes from Putin offering to sell Germany gas after the explosions, and German_Reader continues with the delusion that Putin cut Germany off or that the US magically cut Germany off, rather than the obvious: Germany cut Putin off themselves.

    Germany refused to buy Putin's gas and continues to refuse to buy his gas. They don't trust him and they do trust the Americans. They obviously enacted a plan to make themselves independent of Russian gas as soon as the invasion was launched. Part of that plan appears to have been to present themselves as having no gas so that Russia would continue to sell them some so they had time to complete their plan.

    And look, it worked. Gas prices in Europe are now lower than even before the invasion, a year ago.

    So we can conclude: Germany was always going to cut Putin off, and of course, the US would have known this. They, therefore, had no motive to blow up the pipelines, never mind the fact that NS2 was not even rendered inoperable.

    Putin was played by the US and the Germans and even blew up NS1 as part of his own bungled farce.



    Probably the same thing has been happening with Ukrainian casualties, which I'm now a little convinced are far, far lower than the Russian ones, but there have been efforts to convince the Russians otherwise, so they wouldn't change their strategy. I expect this will be revealed when the war is over. Smart munitions are just so exponentially more effective at making casualties, that the ratio might be 1:5 in favour of the Ukrainians. I'm sure this claim will send Russian shills into a tizzy, but I guess we'll all see. I give this a 50:50 odds of being true.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

  358. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Absurdly contorted reasoning...one could say Putin was quite simply blackmailing Germany..."Lift sanctions/stop help killing Russian soldiers, or you won't get any gas"...really simple, no need for blowing up one's own pipelines, which would be rather counter-productive in that regard. US motive for destroying the pipelines is very clear by contrast (demonstration of power that Germany won't be allowed to have an independent foreign policy, removing the "temptation" of trying to cut a deal with Russia or even just making a diplomatic effort to end the war in Ukraine).
    But I think you know this, you don't come across as that stupid. Wokechoke may well have been correct when he once called you a professional hall monitor. Really tiresome...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    Why would the US want to blow up the pipelines when this is what would happen? Literally no point on any level.

    See:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

    “The ball is in the EU’s court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on and that’s it,” he said in a speech at an energy forum in Moscow.

    Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.

    Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, “Yes.”

    “Independently of the possible sabotage of the two pipelines, we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1 there was no longer any gas flowing,” Hoffmann told reporters.

    https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas. You’re stuck trying to argue against reality because you’re too mutton-headed to admit when wrong, which you should have done when it became obvious that only the Russian target of NS1 was made inoperable and not the US target of NS2. If Putin had wanted to blackmail Germany, he wouldn’t be trying to sell them gas via NS2. He just wanted NS2 open, which is why he blew up NS1, once Germany lost patience with his lies as regards NS1 being broken.

    You’re stuck defending a theory predicated on NS2 being inoperable and NS1 not. Even if you ludicrously say it was a botched job, there were other pipelines which Germany could have used to buy Putin’s gas, which obviously the US would have known about.

    Blowing up NS1 in no way restricted Germany from buying Putin’s gas. Or Putin’s supposed blackmail. He could have continued regardless as other pipelines, not just NS2 existed.

    What stopped Putin’s blackmail was that Germany had already secured more than enough gas. Putin got played by Germany, while Germany prepared. Hence why despite pipelines being available and Putin offering, it ended up being Germany cutting Putin off! They can’t prove Russia did it, but it is clear they think Russia did.

    Read between the lines:

    “we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1”

    Or maybe now you’re going to argue that the US blew up NS1 and left NS2 working as that is exactly what Putin wanted and so they were doing a false flag on Russia?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas.
     
    "secured more than enough gas"? Lol, if you really think this is merely a matter of making it through a single winter without everything shutting down...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  359. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    While I disagree with points on your theory. I appreciate that you presented one.

    If 1 of the 4 attacks failed, why is there no physical evidence?

    • A poor detonation would have been recorded acoustically.
    • A full fail should have yielded recovery of unexploded ordinance.

    Are you suggesting a post attack, impromptu conspiracy to race out and obtain the bomb that did not go off?
    __

    There is a real problem with militant anti-American europhiles like GR who will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in their Merkel worshipping WEF world view.

    They refuse to engage constructively and lash out with troll like anger. Very sad really.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    Thanks, and to add:

    Yes, we have lots of videos and quotes from Putin offering to sell Germany gas after the explosions, and German_Reader continues with the delusion that Putin cut Germany off or that the US magically cut Germany off, rather than the obvious: Germany cut Putin off themselves.

    Germany refused to buy Putin’s gas and continues to refuse to buy his gas. They don’t trust him and they do trust the Americans. They obviously enacted a plan to make themselves independent of Russian gas as soon as the invasion was launched. Part of that plan appears to have been to present themselves as having no gas so that Russia would continue to sell them some so they had time to complete their plan.

    And look, it worked. Gas prices in Europe are now lower than even before the invasion, a year ago.

    So we can conclude: Germany was always going to cut Putin off, and of course, the US would have known this. They, therefore, had no motive to blow up the pipelines, never mind the fact that NS2 was not even rendered inoperable.

    Putin was played by the US and the Germans and even blew up NS1 as part of his own bungled farce.

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    Probably the same thing has been happening with Ukrainian casualties, which I’m now a little convinced are far, far lower than the Russian ones, but there have been efforts to convince the Russians otherwise, so they wouldn’t change their strategy. I expect this will be revealed when the war is over. Smart munitions are just so exponentially more effective at making casualties, that the ratio might be 1:5 in favour of the Ukrainians. I’m sure this claim will send Russian shills into a tizzy, but I guess we’ll all see. I give this a 50:50 odds of being true.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I partially concur.

    There was capacity available via the Yamal pipeline in addition to the 50% of NS2.

     
    https://alchetron.com/cdn/yamaleurope-pipeline-a78fbf56-117d-4120-9111-02d405a3316-resize-750.jpeg
     

    The idea of Not-The-President Biden administration orders is ludicrous. What is next Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1) [MORE]? The German Green party via their puppet Scholz could have easily worked past the capacity issue.

    • Were the German Greens indisputably the big winner? Yes.
    • Does that mean they did it? Not necessarily.

    Flow in NS1 was suspended. Either way, true equipment issue or Moscow orders, it created a maintenance issue. NS2 was loaded, left at pressure, and had no flow for an extended period. Despite being clean and in pristine condition this is also very bad from an industry stand point. The timing and geography point to an accident. The older gear faired worse, also consistent with an accident.

    Regardless of the exploiters rushing in to exploit with naked unabashed exploitiveness... An accident is still the best explanation for 17 hours and 80 km.

    If you want to change my mind. Explain the timing. Explain the geography. I do not believe these are unreasonable standards.

    PEACE 😇
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  360. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.
     
    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an "Atlantic Civilization" vs the "Eurasian Civilization" of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    Europe is united, and under Germany. Only Belarus and Russia are fully left out. The continental power might not have a fertility, ethnic or cultural angle which you prefer, but nor does a single developed country, nor even developing ones that are many decades behind economically. Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too. You’re going to have to realise why people are fine with modern Western policies, and even really like them, other than some conspiracy. Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too.
     
    The Great Replacement is not underway in Tunisia. They have between 30,000 to 50,000 sub-Saharan migrants; which is less than 0.1% of the total population. Although I agree with his statements, and the need to preserve existing demographics; the Tunisian president is just trying to win some political points. Nevertheless precaution is always prudent; as Ben Franklin says “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”. The Tunisian authorities are already following through on rhetoric:

    https://twitter.com/ghostofokello/status/1628852449158070278?s=61&t=eH94EWnllY4s7Pk74ZanWA

    I haven’t seen objections from the Arabs I follow on Twitter; except for a few diaspora Arabs acculturated to Western norms. Nor is there any negative coverage of this in the Arabic press. The only objections I’ve seen are from the usual suspects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/tunisia-kais-saied-racism-migrants-black-tunisians/

    In Egypt the numbers are more substantial since we border Sudan. Also citizenship is given to persons born in Egypt who are Muslim or can speak Arabic; which is a recipe for disaster. The only impediment to Great Replacement is that most Egyptians are racist towards Sudanese and Somali people; but the citizenship laws need to move towards the Saudi model (paternal requirement); otherwise we are screwed. There should also be co-operation with European states to stem the African tide.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
     
    Laxa, cut it off. I don't need this accusatory psychobabble. The last psy I talked to didn't have a theory of consciousness to explain what exactly is it they are working with. You don't have a theory of consciousness either, so stop the BS. Sort it out between your two ears before you projet onto others online.

    Besides, female accusatory insinuations of laziness bounce of me like a ball from a wall. And just to be clear, I don't need convincing anyone. We're on UR for goodness sake, not in some UK parliament session. Nobody cares of what I think or write here and they do well. It is all just a nice conversation, nothing else.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  361. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Why would the US want to blow up the pipelines when this is what would happen? Literally no point on any level.

    See:

    Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.

    "The ball is in the EU's court. If they want to, then the taps can be turned on and that's it," he said in a speech at an energy forum in Moscow.

    Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.

    Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, "Yes."

    "Independently of the possible sabotage of the two pipelines, we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1 there was no longer any gas flowing,'' Hoffmann told reporters.

    https://www.dw.com/en/putin-offers-europe-gas-through-nord-stream-2-germany-declines/a-63416138

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas. You're stuck trying to argue against reality because you're too mutton-headed to admit when wrong, which you should have done when it became obvious that only the Russian target of NS1 was made inoperable and not the US target of NS2. If Putin had wanted to blackmail Germany, he wouldn't be trying to sell them gas via NS2. He just wanted NS2 open, which is why he blew up NS1, once Germany lost patience with his lies as regards NS1 being broken.

    You're stuck defending a theory predicated on NS2 being inoperable and NS1 not. Even if you ludicrously say it was a botched job, there were other pipelines which Germany could have used to buy Putin's gas, which obviously the US would have known about.

    Blowing up NS1 in no way restricted Germany from buying Putin's gas. Or Putin's supposed blackmail. He could have continued regardless as other pipelines, not just NS2 existed.

    What stopped Putin's blackmail was that Germany had already secured more than enough gas. Putin got played by Germany, while Germany prepared. Hence why despite pipelines being available and Putin offering, it ended up being Germany cutting Putin off! They can't prove Russia did it, but it is clear they think Russia did.

    Read between the lines:

    "we have seen that Russia is no longer a reliable energy supplier, and that even before the damage to Nord Stream 1"

    Or maybe now you're going to argue that the US blew up NS1 and left NS2 working as that is exactly what Putin wanted and so they were doing a false flag on Russia?

    Replies: @German_reader

    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas.

    “secured more than enough gas”? Lol, if you really think this is merely a matter of making it through a single winter without everything shutting down…

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    The EU gas import price was $27 before the war and is $20 now.

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/europe_natural_gas_price#:~:text=Basic%20Info,28.58%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

    Clearly, ways and means have been found for supplying the EU with gas other than relying on Putin.

    It was a painful transition, that involved big swings in prices, government subsidies and a lot of deception aimed at Russia, resulting in media hysteria, and all sorts of Nostradamus-esque prognosticating, but it was successful.

    There is no way that it could have been this successful without Germany having a plan in place either. The price, falling even at the peak of Winter, doesn't lie.

    I've been telling you not to take Western hysteria about Western failings so seriously for a while, and offering explanations of why it exists and what purpose it serves. And now you have another event that exemplifies my point. Unless you think they're somehow faking the gas price?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  362. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Only Putin had a purpose and that is because he did not know Germany had secretly secured more than enough gas.
     
    "secured more than enough gas"? Lol, if you really think this is merely a matter of making it through a single winter without everything shutting down...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The EU gas import price was $27 before the war and is $20 now.

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/europe_natural_gas_price#:~:text=Basic%20Info,28.58%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

    Clearly, ways and means have been found for supplying the EU with gas other than relying on Putin.

    It was a painful transition, that involved big swings in prices, government subsidies and a lot of deception aimed at Russia, resulting in media hysteria, and all sorts of Nostradamus-esque prognosticating, but it was successful.

    There is no way that it could have been this successful without Germany having a plan in place either. The price, falling even at the peak of Winter, doesn’t lie.

    I’ve been telling you not to take Western hysteria about Western failings so seriously for a while, and offering explanations of why it exists and what purpose it serves. And now you have another event that exemplifies my point. Unless you think they’re somehow faking the gas price?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don't understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.


    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.


    "This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology."

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large."

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    Replies: @S, @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa

  363. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Thanks, and to add:

    Yes, we have lots of videos and quotes from Putin offering to sell Germany gas after the explosions, and German_Reader continues with the delusion that Putin cut Germany off or that the US magically cut Germany off, rather than the obvious: Germany cut Putin off themselves.

    Germany refused to buy Putin's gas and continues to refuse to buy his gas. They don't trust him and they do trust the Americans. They obviously enacted a plan to make themselves independent of Russian gas as soon as the invasion was launched. Part of that plan appears to have been to present themselves as having no gas so that Russia would continue to sell them some so they had time to complete their plan.

    And look, it worked. Gas prices in Europe are now lower than even before the invasion, a year ago.

    So we can conclude: Germany was always going to cut Putin off, and of course, the US would have known this. They, therefore, had no motive to blow up the pipelines, never mind the fact that NS2 was not even rendered inoperable.

    Putin was played by the US and the Germans and even blew up NS1 as part of his own bungled farce.



    Probably the same thing has been happening with Ukrainian casualties, which I'm now a little convinced are far, far lower than the Russian ones, but there have been efforts to convince the Russians otherwise, so they wouldn't change their strategy. I expect this will be revealed when the war is over. Smart munitions are just so exponentially more effective at making casualties, that the ratio might be 1:5 in favour of the Ukrainians. I'm sure this claim will send Russian shills into a tizzy, but I guess we'll all see. I give this a 50:50 odds of being true.

    Replies: @A123

    I partially concur.

    There was capacity available via the Yamal pipeline in addition to the 50% of NS2.

     

     

    The idea of Not-The-President Biden administration orders is ludicrous. What is next Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1) [MORE]? The German Green party via their puppet Scholz could have easily worked past the capacity issue.

    • Were the German Greens indisputably the big winner? Yes.
    • Does that mean they did it? Not necessarily.

    Flow in NS1 was suspended. Either way, true equipment issue or Moscow orders, it created a maintenance issue. NS2 was loaded, left at pressure, and had no flow for an extended period. Despite being clean and in pristine condition this is also very bad from an industry stand point. The timing and geography point to an accident. The older gear faired worse, also consistent with an accident.

    Regardless of the exploiters rushing in to exploit with naked unabashed exploitiveness… An accident is still the best explanation for 17 hours and 80 km.

    If you want to change my mind. Explain the timing. Explain the geography. I do not believe these are unreasonable standards.

    PEACE 😇
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  364. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Besides, the Black Hundreds were abolished by the Soviets, their militants were massacred en masse. Anyone found guilty of antisemitism was shot by the TcheKa and Great Russian Chauvinism was a punishable crime leading to GULAG terms.
     
    Undoubtedly true, but the use of the Pale to conduct anti-Jewish pogroms, especially under the reign of Tsar Alexander III's and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:

    The concentration of Jews in the Pale, coupled with Tsar Alexander III's "fierce hatred of the Jews", and the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II, made them easy targets for pogroms and anti-Jewish riots by the majority population.[19] These, along with the repressive May Laws, often devastated whole communities.[citation needed] Though attacks occurred throughout the existence of the Pale, particularly devastating Russian pogroms occurred from 1881 to 1883 and from 1903 to 1906,[20] targeting hundreds of communities, assaulting thousands of Jews, and causing considerable property damage.[citation needed]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#:~:text=The%20Pale%20of%20Settlement%20included,now%20the%20western%20Russian%20Federation.

    I think it's unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist. One of his closest and respected ministers, Arnold Margolin, a Jew, supported Petliura during the course of the war, and wrote much to try and absolve Petliura from the label of being a pogromist. During those chaotic times, it was difficult to control all of the actions of the various warlords running amok within the Ukrainian countryside. Petliura's government had strict prohibitions against any pogromist activity:


    The Ukrainian Government will fight with all its power against violations of public order, will strike the brigands and pogrom instigators with the severest punishment and expose them publicly. Above all the Government will not tolerate any pogroms against the Jewish population in the Ukraine, and will employ every available means for the purpose of combating these abject criminals.
     
    These words were not just empty slogans. Under Peliura's government, several military personnel including a general Semsenko were court martialed and ultimately executed for pogrom activity within the Proskoriv area.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke

    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier). Anyone conducting pogroms of Jews would have been a Ukie (Baba Yar is a great example of Ukies without Russian restraint later on), Polish or possibly Greek (this was the case in Odessa). The Russians generally reigned the exuberant excesses in prosecuting rioters.

    the era of pogroms in Odessa was Greeks v Jews and the Jews were no innocent party to the conflict and the Imperial Russians were protective of Jewish interests while personally loathing the scum.

    Nicholas II was a favorite grandson of Queen Victoria and the Danish monarchs and they holidayed together in places like Bornholm, Balmoral and the Isle of Wight. They’d have not received him if he was a frothing at the mouth Antisemite. Victoria was very keen on Benjamin Disraeli and the Rothschilds among others. He was charming and funny by all accounts.

    In fact, Nicholas II suppressed and banned the Protocol of the elders of Zion and called foul on anyone using passages form it.

    Fat lot of Good it did him when the Jews raped and shot his family to death in Ekaterinburg.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  365. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.
     
    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an "Atlantic Civilization" vs the "Eurasian Civilization" of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    From the previous thread.

    In your latest reply to me you mention an article about 11 Yamnaya remains that were found in Southern Russia where 8 of them had haplogroup R1b-Z2103 and another 2 had R1b-M269 and R1b-L23.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    From this you conclude the following:

    Most Yamnaya men were absolutely unrelated to the Bell-Beakers …/… the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe

    I think that this is wrong.

    But first of all let me say that I’m just trying to understand here because I realized in our discussion that I have some incomplete understanding of ancient migrations in Europe and you have clearly done much more reading on the subject than me, even though a good amount of it seems to be from online sources like Eupedia that I don’t trust very much. I remember having read very questionable theories there in the past.

    Let me also clarify that I have no defined sympathies or allegiances in the Bell Beaker vs Corded Ware conflict. I find both kinds of pottery cool enough for the period 🙂

    So, for starters, you are making strong claims based on a very small sample of Yamnaya people located in a single place of EE. 8 of them had a haplogroup that is not found in Western Europe but even in this limited sample 2 individuals belonged to R1b clades that are upstream of those prevalent in Western Europe (from your own Eupedia image). All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    Furthermore, in the Wikipedia page on the Yamnaya we read the following:

    The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Besides:

    Haak et al. also note that their results state that haplogroup R-M269 spread into Europe from the East after 3000 BC.[68] Studies that analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal support the thesis that R-M269 was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Eastern European steppes.

    and from the Y haplogroup R1b Wikipedia page:

    Three genetic studies in 2015 gave support to the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas regarding the Proto-Indo-European homeland. According to those studies, haplogroups R1b-M269 and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also common in South Asia) would have expanded from the West Eurasian Steppe, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#Geographical_distribution

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    I agree that samples are small. So were also the ancient populations. Most tribes back then were a few thousand people maximum and the largest Tripolye "towns" (villages) were perhaps 10 000 people at most. I am writing this because I agree that a founder effect was more easily established in these conditions.


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    What matters are the subclades. Because the subclades are the regional clusters. I don't think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia (which BTW I didn't read for many years, but which allows for a great introduction into paleogenetics). This phylogenetic tree picture doesn't open for some reason and German Reader is wary of me posting trojan infected pics that would allow me "hacking into his HD" (in case you missed the drama, Altan wrote of me hacking into his HD using some pictures, I have no idea where he got this mad idea from), so if you want to have a look, here's an altered link below do you can cut and paste:

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.pngX

    If you follow the link, you'll see that 80% of Yamnaya cluster into a lateral Eastern European/ Western Asian (Eurasian actually) branch that is unrelated to all the BB that were found later in Western Europe and clustered in the Italo-Gaulish branch, which is also close to the Ibero-Atlantic one. It is very easy to see on the tree.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.
     
    They sampled 96 skeletons, of which 14 were those of BB. Presumably, others were from some other cultures. Among the 14, 11 fell into the Italo-Gaulish branch and the other 3 into the ancestral nexus that separate this branch and the Ibero-Atlantic branch together from the rest of the tree. Basically that's what the original Maritime BB would have been: ZZ11.

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.
     
    Yes the steppe ancestry did eventually spread everywhere in Europe with later migrations. Celts, Romans, Germanic... I only write about the steppe ancestry being minimal in the early Maritime BB. Later BB descended populations got heavily admixed with the CWC or perhaps some Yamnaya descended populations that were rich in steppe ancestry. That led to Unetice folks and proto Celtic people, and Nordic Bronze Age and proto Germanic/Norse people. Of course Celts and Germans - Norse had as much steppe ancestry as the proto Balto-Slav had. There's no denying it. But it happened a thousand years later after the Maritime BB. And there's still a cline of steppe ancestry going East-West to this very day. Imagine how small this admixture must have been in the Iberian peninsula and the British Isles a long time ago, before the Celts, and after them (during the Migration Period), Germans, Norse and even Sarmatians and Alans contributed some to the westernmost Europe.

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?
     
    Yes we could, if considered the later migrations that I mentioned above and if we considered CWC and Yamnaya also distantly related through the original Mesolithic population of ancestral haplogroup R, the one if the Malta boy (found in Siberia). But CWC and Yamnaya Y haplogroups R1a and R1b are separated by thousands of years, with R1a having split first from Y haplogroup R.

    Hope you had the time to look into the Maritime BB migration article that I posted under the More tag. It's genetically illiterate, and it doesn't talk about that, but it is very interesting because it describes how the Maritime BB migrated in Europe along the coasts and into the riverways. It shows what populations they met along the way and where they settled. A nice summary, despite the fact that "pots are not people " and that looking into the haplogroups would have prevented them from writing that "CWC descended from Yamnaya".

    And just to be clear, I don't foment some anti-Beaker agenda on teh internets through posting long convoluted Y haplogroup rants that only a handful of people would ever read on UR. All that happened then, was normal to that period. People were tough unlike us weaklings.

    The BB were powerful warriors, great organizers and they undoubtedly benefitted the European gene pool greatly. They were brutal and domineering because they had the guts and the brains for that. Your probable ancestors were great people, but I am glad that my probable ancestors prevented them from going even further East. I like my genetic lineage and I am glad it survived. I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes...

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel

    The thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a is dubious at least; 90%+ of what was found in those kurgans were R1b. But the thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a too is dear to many, for some reason which would be worth investigating. David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the "low-class" part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in "high-class" R1b kurgans.
    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry. I get a sense there is a shadow here of this R1a vs R1b conflict Ivaskha talked about, but can't pinpoint wherefrom this shadow originates.

    The another problem with this is whether or not there was a steppe invasion of West Europe, since there are non-Yamnaya R1b clades in West Europe too. So did one R1b invade another R1b group..? It does not make sense as much as the invasion or plague that decimated neolithic I2 men did make sense. And in fact the only other Y-haplotype found in Yamna is I2, who were to became "helots" of R1b, according to Ivashka.
    Frankly, we could perhaps propose a thesis that R1b invaded East from West, but we can't because we are committed to the paradigm of both the idea of Invasion from Steppe and Yamnaya as the origin of both R1a and R1b cultures.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mikel

  366. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    While I disagree with points on your theory. I appreciate that you presented one.

    If 1 of the 4 attacks failed, why is there no physical evidence?

    • A poor detonation would have been recorded acoustically.
    • A full fail should have yielded recovery of unexploded ordinance.

    Are you suggesting a post attack, impromptu conspiracy to race out and obtain the bomb that did not go off?
    __

    There is a real problem with militant anti-American europhiles like GR who will believe (or claim to believe) what’s necessary to keep cracks from appearing in their Merkel worshipping WEF world view.

    They refuse to engage constructively and lash out with troll like anger. Very sad really.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    So you believe there were five conspiratorial actions? Four placements and one desperate recovery after a fail?

    Yep. You are "rabbit holing".

    All I am doing is asking the same questions, which everyone refuses to address.

    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    Instead of emulating GR and fleeing -- Stand up, be a man, explain your theory that accommodates the objectively factual geography and timing.

    Accident is a working theory. I am not locked in. Convince me.

    PEACE 😇
    , @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

  367. @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Absurdly contorted reasoning...one could say Putin was quite simply blackmailing Germany..."Lift sanctions/stop help killing Russian soldiers, or you won't get any gas"...really simple, no need for blowing up one's own pipelines, which would be rather counter-productive in that regard. US motive for destroying the pipelines is very clear by contrast (demonstration of power that Germany won't be allowed to have an independent foreign policy, removing the "temptation" of trying to cut a deal with Russia or even just making a diplomatic effort to end the war in Ukraine).
    But I think you know this, you don't come across as that stupid. Wokechoke may well have been correct when he once called you a professional hall monitor. Really tiresome...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wokechoke

    She’s from RUSI. Anyway, By Deception Shall We Wage War.

    I find it very difficult to believe that Industrialists in Germany are keen on a supply route from the East being sabotaged. Or that they want it.

  368. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    So you believe there were five conspiratorial actions? Four placements and one desperate recovery after a fail?

    Yep. You are “rabbit holing”.

    All I am doing is asking the same questions, which everyone refuses to address.

    • How is 17 hours consistent with sabotage?
    • How is 80km of separation an attack?

    Instead of emulating GR and fleeing — Stand up, be a man, explain your theory that accommodates the objectively factual geography and timing.

    Accident is a working theory. I am not locked in. Convince me.

    PEACE 😇

  369. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Europe is united, and under Germany. Only Belarus and Russia are fully left out. The continental power might not have a fertility, ethnic or cultural angle which you prefer, but nor does a single developed country, nor even developing ones that are many decades behind economically. Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too. You're going to have to realise why people are fine with modern Western policies, and even really like them, other than some conspiracy. Dismissing ideas you don't like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too.

    The Great Replacement is not underway in Tunisia. They have between 30,000 to 50,000 sub-Saharan migrants; which is less than 0.1% of the total population. Although I agree with his statements, and the need to preserve existing demographics; the Tunisian president is just trying to win some political points. Nevertheless precaution is always prudent; as Ben Franklin says “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”. The Tunisian authorities are already following through on rhetoric:

    I haven’t seen objections from the Arabs I follow on Twitter; except for a few diaspora Arabs acculturated to Western norms. Nor is there any negative coverage of this in the Arabic press. The only objections I’ve seen are from the usual suspects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/tunisia-kais-saied-racism-migrants-black-tunisians/

    In Egypt the numbers are more substantial since we border Sudan. Also citizenship is given to persons born in Egypt who are Muslim or can speak Arabic; which is a recipe for disaster. The only impediment to Great Replacement is that most Egyptians are racist towards Sudanese and Somali people; but the citizenship laws need to move towards the Saudi model (paternal requirement); otherwise we are screwed. There should also be co-operation with European states to stem the African tide.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    Didn't Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    An old Algerian Sufi man that I know and greatly appreciate told me once that there's a proverb in his homeland that predicts that before the End of the Days, Black Africans shall submerge and swamp the Arabs lands. I believe it makes sense while en route to Europe.

  370. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    This is rabbit hole stuff.

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader



    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions
     
    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    Failing that, the most plausible scenarios are that their investigation:

    • Gathered minimal evidence
    • Ambiguous or inconclusive

    How much evidence does an industrial accident leave behind?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.
     
    Several countries, all proclaiming themselves to be advanced and capable, presumably investigate. The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”. Who do you think that might be? Burkina Faso? Papua-New Guinea? Space aliens?
  371. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I think it’s unfair to characterize Petliura as a pogromist.
     
    French jury begs to differ.

    On 25 May 1926 Sholom Schwartzbard murdered Petliura in Paris. He never denied the fact and stated that he murdered Petliura because he was responsible for 1919-1920 pogroms, in one of which 15 members of Schwartzbard’s family were murdered. French jury acquitted him.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    What a travesty of justice, where instead of sticking to the crime at hand, the assassination of Petliura on the streets of Paris, the French jury decided to become the arbiter of historical grievances. It’s no wonder that such an inverted display of jurisprudence would appeal to your deeply engrained sovok sympathies, as the trial was a focal point of commie propaganda from beginning to end.

    I’m more swayed by the opinions of prominent Jews who lived through these events, not by the circus that was somehow substituted for a court of law. Arnold Margolin, a world renown Jewish legal scholar who lived through these events, had this to say about the times and Petliura’s non-complicity in the pogroms:

    The heavy, responsible act which rests on all members of the government, is now further complicated by the tragic fact that the Jewish pogroms do not cease, and by the realization that the administration has proved powerless to check the terrible violence and murders which took place in Proskurov, Ananiev, etc. I well know that the government does all that is in its power to fight the pogroms. I also know the helplessness of all its members…The Ukrainian government has steadfastly set its face against the pogroms, and it has had no part or responsibility for them.

    No less a Jewish luminary than the Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky, perfectly echoes Margolin’s sentiments:

    It is a fact that neither Petlyura nor Vynnechenko, nor any other prominent member of the Ukrainian government were pogrom makers. I have grown up with them, and I have fought with them against anti-semitism, no one will ever succeed in convincing any Zionist of Southern Russia or myself, that people of such type can be qualified as antisemites.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I'm not sure how trustworthy his account is. Sometimes when you really like somebody you can become blind to their faults.


    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier)

     

    Not hardly. Most of Poland, Belarus and Baltics and part of Romania. My ancestors were from Kiev, Warsaw, Vilnius and Brest

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

  372. Why is FARA not enforced?

    It’s bad enough that Russian unofficial propaganda is riven with communists, but now they are having a communist larp as a conservative.

    You can’t have a pro-US demonstration in Moscow, the same should apply in this country.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @216

    Also, remove the visa waiver for these types for certain European countries. Not that these types will travel there (and not sure how it could be done technically), but it's a matter of principle. It's time to reinstate the borders (both physical and ideological).

    , @Wokechoke
    @216

    It's actually a good challenge.

    1. He's revived the US MIC

    2. If you liked the Cold War certainties you'll like the new cold war certainties.

    3. He's made Biden look decisive and strong.

    4. He's helped make a Jew in Kiev look Heroic.

    5. Never mind the niggers now, hate the Asiatics.

    6. The crisis in Ukraine externalized domestic disputes in the US.

    7. Putin gave us an excuse or pretext to blow up NS2.phew.

    , @German_reader
    @216

    You need a Sedition Act like in WW1 for such commie types. Send Jackson Hickle to Gitmo. Or to some hellish prison where he is sodomized by big scary blacks. That'll teach him not to undermine the Free World.

    Replies: @216

  373. @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too.
     
    The Great Replacement is not underway in Tunisia. They have between 30,000 to 50,000 sub-Saharan migrants; which is less than 0.1% of the total population. Although I agree with his statements, and the need to preserve existing demographics; the Tunisian president is just trying to win some political points. Nevertheless precaution is always prudent; as Ben Franklin says “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”. The Tunisian authorities are already following through on rhetoric:

    https://twitter.com/ghostofokello/status/1628852449158070278?s=61&t=eH94EWnllY4s7Pk74ZanWA

    I haven’t seen objections from the Arabs I follow on Twitter; except for a few diaspora Arabs acculturated to Western norms. Nor is there any negative coverage of this in the Arabic press. The only objections I’ve seen are from the usual suspects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/tunisia-kais-saied-racism-migrants-black-tunisians/

    In Egypt the numbers are more substantial since we border Sudan. Also citizenship is given to persons born in Egypt who are Muslim or can speak Arabic; which is a recipe for disaster. The only impediment to Great Replacement is that most Egyptians are racist towards Sudanese and Somali people; but the citizenship laws need to move towards the Saudi model (paternal requirement); otherwise we are screwed. There should also be co-operation with European states to stem the African tide.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Greasy William

    He was played by Louis Gossett Jr. in the movie, which was denounced in Egypt, and which resulted in productions by Columbia being banned.

    Yahya should watch it and post a review.

    , @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?
     
    Yes and he was routinely derided as “Nasser’s black poodle” until he became president; after which Egyptians promptly sealed their mouths. Racism is complicated. My experience is that Egyptians are accepting of mulattos; but will still subject them to derogatory insults; mostly in good nature, but sometimes not. Sudanese and Somali people are already 30-50% genetically Semit0-Caucasian; so the hybrids are 60-70%+ Middle Eastern. Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object. That’s pretty much what happens irl:

    https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1628585306621644806?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    It’s a bit cruel though. It may be a deterrent to migration; but I’d just prefer a strict immigration enforcement regime; and Saudi-style citizenship laws. OTOH, its good that Egyptians are based re blacks; even in the upper segments of society.



    https://twitter.com/rana_eroda/status/1628649069756268545?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

  374. @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    Failing that, the most plausible scenarios are that their investigation:

    • Gathered minimal evidence
    • Ambiguous or inconclusive

    How much evidence does an industrial accident leave behind?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @A123


    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?
     
    They know where their bread is buttered.

    Replies: @A123

  375. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    What a travesty of justice, where instead of sticking to the crime at hand, the assassination of Petliura on the streets of Paris, the French jury decided to become the arbiter of historical grievances. It's no wonder that such an inverted display of jurisprudence would appeal to your deeply engrained sovok sympathies, as the trial was a focal point of commie propaganda from beginning to end.

    I'm more swayed by the opinions of prominent Jews who lived through these events, not by the circus that was somehow substituted for a court of law. Arnold Margolin, a world renown Jewish legal scholar who lived through these events, had this to say about the times and Petliura's non-complicity in the pogroms:


    The heavy, responsible act which rests on all members of the government, is now further complicated by the tragic fact that the Jewish pogroms do not cease, and by the realization that the administration has proved powerless to check the terrible violence and murders which took place in Proskurov, Ananiev, etc. I well know that the government does all that is in its power to fight the pogroms. I also know the helplessness of all its members...The Ukrainian government has steadfastly set its face against the pogroms, and it has had no part or responsibility for them.
     
    No less a Jewish luminary than the Zionist, Vladimir Jabotinsky, perfectly echoes Margolin's sentiments:

    It is a fact that neither Petlyura nor Vynnechenko, nor any other prominent member of the Ukrainian government were pogrom makers. I have grown up with them, and I have fought with them against anti-semitism, no one will ever succeed in convincing any Zionist of Southern Russia or myself, that people of such type can be qualified as antisemites.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is. Sometimes when you really like somebody you can become blind to their faults.

    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier)

    Not hardly. Most of Poland, Belarus and Baltics and part of Romania. My ancestors were from Kiev, Warsaw, Vilnius and Brest

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    I hate to break it you but this entire area has a liquid flow population. Borders are questionable at best and the boundaries of Poland are essentially elastic. What was interesting about the Pale is that the Jews had free reign of control and settlement in the massive area. An area that is staggering size, but like always the Jews like yourself moaned about being confined to the area by the Emperor of Moscow. Swinish Chutzpah. The Tsar gave you beasts the frontier to exploit and you've never forgiven him for it. Give them an autonomous Intermarium and they will rape and shoot your daughters in a Siberian bunker anyway.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Map_showing_the_percentage_of_Jews_in_the_Pale_of_Settlement_and_Congress_Poland%2C_The_Jewish_Encyclopedia_%281905%29.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William


    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is.
     
    What actually was the extent of their relationship? Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion? If he did, his words that I cited above, actually make more sense.

    Of course you are correct in pointing out the non-Ukrainian portions of the Pale.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  376. @Yahya
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    I recently discovered the wonderful literary critic Ed Simon through DBHs blog, and was reading through some of his works.
     
    I’ve also recently discovered this fine high-brow culture blog: http://www.aplvblog.com/p/other-essays.html

    A nice counter-balance to the political, historical and economic blogs I follow.

    You’ll like this post: http://www.aplvblog.com/2012/02/calvin-coolidge-on-classics.html

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    So, I know I said I was stepping out for a bit…but I don’t want to leave my business hanging and we’ve finally finished Bondarchuk’s War and Peace so I should give my thoughts.

    First of all, thanks Yahya for recommending it. It’s been an incredible experience; very much worth the time. It is certainly one of the best, if not the best movie that I’ve ever seen. I’m disappointed that it’s over.

    Honestly, there is so much that one could say about the movie that it’s hard to focus on one thing. The movie is truly epic, if one word was to describe it, everything about it epic, and yet it never feels excessive. The pacing is so painstakingly deliberate, but this is a positive feature, and the movie never once felt boring or dragged out even with over a 7 hour run time. In the modern age dominated by frantic, frenetic, schizophrenic film making, this is even more of a contrast than it was back when it was originally produced. The slower pacing is something that I love about older movies, and this embodied it fully. It allowed for much deeper character development. Every scene seemed shot to savor, a visual feast to take in and linger over.

    Obviously the Battle of Borodino deserves mention as the most sweeping lavish battle scene imaginable. Stretching over 35 minutes long, the battle scene gives a full sense of the grinding confusion that it must have been. The number of men and horses involved are completely incredible. Also notable is how the brutality and bravery, horror and honor of war are deeply conveyed with a bare minimum of gore. The excess of modern movies in this regard is actually a distraction, only serving to shock and titillate, but accomplishes little of value to further the depiction. The battles in War and Peace are consummately gripping without relying on cheap shock.

    I did note that the Soviet treatment of the Battle of Borodino came across as a bit excessively triumphalist, since it was still a defeat for the Russians, even if it lead to winning the ultimate war. That’s not surprising though since it was a Soviet movie for a Russian audience. Some slight historical massaging was not unexpected.

    Overall though, there is too much that could be said about the movie and if anyone has read this far, I’ll just recommend that they just watch it. It’s a completely worthwhile way to spend 7 hours of your life, and I don’t say that lightly with movies!

    The kids actually all stuck with it and enjoyed it, which somewhat surprised me. Even the 3 and 6 year olds who couldn’t read any of the subtitles watched it all, which is a testament to the incredible cinematography, acting, costuming, settings etc. Even without the dialog it’s immersive and gripping, a true visual feast.

    Yahya, I suppose I’ll have to look up your previous film reviews and see if I can glean a couple of others to watch next. Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids? It’s been a bit since I got one of Kurosawa’s films and the ones I’ve seen seemed to generally be fine for the family.

    Thanks again for the recommendation, it’s been extremely enjoyable!

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    A long time ago Hollywood had gobs of movies that were excellent in quality and suitable for all ages. We used to have an audience for such things.

    If you want epic with horses galloping Gone With the Wind and Ben Hur are both pretty great. For the former there was a controversy when it came out about the language when the Clark Gable character tells the Vivien Leigh character "I don't give a damn."

    , @Yahya
    @Barbarossa


    Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids?
     
    Tokyo Story is a must; one of the all-time greats of world cinema. There’s not one scene of nudity or violence iirc. It’s a story of familial obligation and filial piety. If I was a Westerner I’d try to expose them to these values since they are somewhat lacking in Anglo-based societies; where individualism reigns supreme. Not to mention the Earthly benefits that will accrue to you and your wife in old age!

    About Elly is an Iranian movie with a subtle didactic message. A Separation is also a good movie by the same director, but About Elly is more plot-driven and entertaining. Both of these movies make the same underlying message; but they also don’t shove judgements down your throat; allowing the viewer to observe a moral complication from multiple perspectives. I’d recommend them as an antidote to the moral simplicity of kid movies; the mental structures of which collapse as soon as they grow old enough to encounter the ambiguities and complexities of the real world.

    Lord Of The Rings is a no-brainer for immersive entertainment; unlike the other movies I mentioned, you can count on your kids enjoying it.

    I’d also recommend the 1984 version of A Christmas Carol, starring the talented George C. Scott as the miserly Scrooge. I’m sure your kids have already encountered this story before, given its canonical status among Christmas stories; but if they haven’t read/watched the story, I’d recommend this rendition. I’ve also watched the animation; which is quite good; but the 1984 production is more adult-oriented; and the real actors are more convincing than animated pixels. On the Dickens front; there’s also the 2005 adaptation of Oliver Twist; which was panned by critics and viewers; but tbh I thought was a decent production.

    Finally, I’d recommend the 1984 biographical depiction Amadeus. It’s a decent movie but not one I’d rank among the all-time greats; it does not contain the transcendental element of War & Peace or Tokyo Story. There’s a nude scene in there; which was quite silly and totally unnecessary; but no hard sex or violence. I’m not sure why they included that nude scene; otherwise I think Amadeus would be excellent for kid viewing. It’s most important objective would be getting kids to appreciate classical music. The score contains several of Mozart’s greatest and most accessible tunes. I’ve seen some reviews by people who said this movie was their first introduction to classical music. I was already familiar with the genre when I watched it; but I did discover Mass in C Minor which I had not been previously aware of:

    https://youtu.be/vhMAhuY4DA8

    The musical discovery alone is worth the 3 hour watch.

  377. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    From the previous thread.

    In your latest reply to me you mention an article about 11 Yamnaya remains that were found in Southern Russia where 8 of them had haplogroup R1b-Z2103 and another 2 had R1b-M269 and R1b-L23.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    From this you conclude the following:


    Most Yamnaya men were absolutely unrelated to the Bell-Beakers .../... the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe
     
    I think that this is wrong.

    But first of all let me say that I'm just trying to understand here because I realized in our discussion that I have some incomplete understanding of ancient migrations in Europe and you have clearly done much more reading on the subject than me, even though a good amount of it seems to be from online sources like Eupedia that I don't trust very much. I remember having read very questionable theories there in the past.

    Let me also clarify that I have no defined sympathies or allegiances in the Bell Beaker vs Corded Ware conflict. I find both kinds of pottery cool enough for the period :)

    So, for starters, you are making strong claims based on a very small sample of Yamnaya people located in a single place of EE. 8 of them had a haplogroup that is not found in Western Europe but even in this limited sample 2 individuals belonged to R1b clades that are upstream of those prevalent in Western Europe (from your own Eupedia image). All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    Furthermore, in the Wikipedia page on the Yamnaya we read the following:

    The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Besides:

    Haak et al. also note that their results state that haplogroup R-M269 spread into Europe from the East after 3000 BC.[68] Studies that analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal support the thesis that R-M269 was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Eastern European steppes.
     
    and from the Y haplogroup R1b Wikipedia page:

    Three genetic studies in 2015 gave support to the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas regarding the Proto-Indo-European homeland. According to those studies, haplogroups R1b-M269 and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also common in South Asia) would have expanded from the West Eurasian Steppe, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#Geographical_distribution

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Another Polish Perspective

    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    I agree that samples are small. So were also the ancient populations. Most tribes back then were a few thousand people maximum and the largest Tripolye “towns” (villages) were perhaps 10 000 people at most. I am writing this because I agree that a founder effect was more easily established in these conditions.

    [MORE]

    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    What matters are the subclades. Because the subclades are the regional clusters. I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia (which BTW I didn’t read for many years, but which allows for a great introduction into paleogenetics). This phylogenetic tree picture doesn’t open for some reason and German Reader is wary of me posting trojan infected pics that would allow me “hacking into his HD” (in case you missed the drama, Altan wrote of me hacking into his HD using some pictures, I have no idea where he got this mad idea from), so if you want to have a look, here’s an altered link below do you can cut and paste:

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.pngX

    If you follow the link, you’ll see that 80% of Yamnaya cluster into a lateral Eastern European/ Western Asian (Eurasian actually) branch that is unrelated to all the BB that were found later in Western Europe and clustered in the Italo-Gaulish branch, which is also close to the Ibero-Atlantic one. It is very easy to see on the tree.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    They sampled 96 skeletons, of which 14 were those of BB. Presumably, others were from some other cultures. Among the 14, 11 fell into the Italo-Gaulish branch and the other 3 into the ancestral nexus that separate this branch and the Ibero-Atlantic branch together from the rest of the tree. Basically that’s what the original Maritime BB would have been: ZZ11.

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Yes the steppe ancestry did eventually spread everywhere in Europe with later migrations. Celts, Romans, Germanic… I only write about the steppe ancestry being minimal in the early Maritime BB. Later BB descended populations got heavily admixed with the CWC or perhaps some Yamnaya descended populations that were rich in steppe ancestry. That led to Unetice folks and proto Celtic people, and Nordic Bronze Age and proto Germanic/Norse people. Of course Celts and Germans – Norse had as much steppe ancestry as the proto Balto-Slav had. There’s no denying it. But it happened a thousand years later after the Maritime BB. And there’s still a cline of steppe ancestry going East-West to this very day. Imagine how small this admixture must have been in the Iberian peninsula and the British Isles a long time ago, before the Celts, and after them (during the Migration Period), Germans, Norse and even Sarmatians and Alans contributed some to the westernmost Europe.

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    Yes we could, if considered the later migrations that I mentioned above and if we considered CWC and Yamnaya also distantly related through the original Mesolithic population of ancestral haplogroup R, the one if the Malta boy (found in Siberia). But CWC and Yamnaya Y haplogroups R1a and R1b are separated by thousands of years, with R1a having split first from Y haplogroup R.

    Hope you had the time to look into the Maritime BB migration article that I posted under the More tag. It’s genetically illiterate, and it doesn’t talk about that, but it is very interesting because it describes how the Maritime BB migrated in Europe along the coasts and into the riverways. It shows what populations they met along the way and where they settled. A nice summary, despite the fact that “pots are not people ” and that looking into the haplogroups would have prevented them from writing that “CWC descended from Yamnaya”.

    And just to be clear, I don’t foment some anti-Beaker agenda on teh internets through posting long convoluted Y haplogroup rants that only a handful of people would ever read on UR. All that happened then, was normal to that period. People were tough unlike us weaklings.

    The BB were powerful warriors, great organizers and they undoubtedly benefitted the European gene pool greatly. They were brutal and domineering because they had the guts and the brains for that. Your probable ancestors were great people, but I am glad that my probable ancestors prevented them from going even further East. I like my genetic lineage and I am glad it survived. I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    Another interesting 2019 study on Iberian genetics I found yesterday, it shows no RM269 in Iberia until it is already present in Germany, towards the middle of the Beaker complex period (and this is only a single sample). Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

    Some commentary on the above study with clarification about the 'two Beaker cultures':

    https://adnaera.com/2019/03/15/the-genomic-history-of-the-iberian-peninsula-over-the-past-8000-years-olalde-et-al-2019/

    I can see there are competing theories about where RM269 originated, but evidence like this is likely why options other than an Iberian/NA origin are being argued for. It may not be clear where it came from.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool


    I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…
     
    Look, you guys did what you had to do. No hard feelings from my side. Even if those Beaker folks are part of my ancestry, if they went to your lands with the intention of imposing a pottery style that you didn't like and in the process take possession of your women, what did they expect your reaction would be?

    Anyway, I followed one of the links in the wiki article on the Yamnaya and I think that all my doubts about the Beaker migrations are solved. It's a Nature paper where they studied the DNA of over 200 Beaker remains from all parts of Europe and used very sophisticated statistical methods to compare them with earlier populations in the same locations and with current ones. Top notch study, incidentally led by a young Basque geneticist working at Harvard but co-authored by a very long list of leading figures in the field. Even I recognize some of the names: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/

    One of the main findings, that you may not like too much, is that the Beaker phenomenon involved very limited South to North genetic transfer. By contrast, the Beaker expansion to Britain was accompanied by an influx of Central European people with heavy Steppe admixture that in the course of a few centuries almost replaced the male lineages with the R1b haplogroup.

    On the other hand, they do mention evidences of an earlier South to North maritime migration on the Atlantic facade during the megalithic period.

    I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia
     

    Yes, I did study those charts, which is why I acknowledged that those 8 Yamnas of the Rostov sample belonged to an R1b subclade separate from the Western ones. I may have actually confused Eupedia with some other website when I mentioned their relationship with kooky theories. Those subclade trees are a perfect example of how citizen-scientists are essential for the progress of so many fields.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  378. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    The EU gas import price was $27 before the war and is $20 now.

    https://ycharts.com/indicators/europe_natural_gas_price#:~:text=Basic%20Info,28.58%25%20from%20one%20year%20ago.

    Clearly, ways and means have been found for supplying the EU with gas other than relying on Putin.

    It was a painful transition, that involved big swings in prices, government subsidies and a lot of deception aimed at Russia, resulting in media hysteria, and all sorts of Nostradamus-esque prognosticating, but it was successful.

    There is no way that it could have been this successful without Germany having a plan in place either. The price, falling even at the peak of Winter, doesn't lie.

    I've been telling you not to take Western hysteria about Western failings so seriously for a while, and offering explanations of why it exists and what purpose it serves. And now you have another event that exemplifies my point. Unless you think they're somehow faking the gas price?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don’t understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.

    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.

    “This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology.”

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large.”

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    • Replies: @S
    @Wokechoke


    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil.
     
    Hall Monitor or Headmistress?

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o1OEoZ_FoYc/UX8pugwoHSI/AAAAAAAAJvE/XRRSFV_6G3I/s1600/88.JPG
    , @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ...Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.
     
    The question is whether the drop in demand can be sustained. The demand can be kept low by shutting down energy-intensive industry, higher prices, consumer 'efficiency', weather...There are substitutes but they are more expensive or polluting.

    It can be managed but it is a worse energy situation for Europe than previously. The unknown is what will happen if Asia demand goes up based on their fast-growing economies. What the frustrated Leave No Shadow is doing is cherrypicking numbers and aggressively pushing an ideological narrative - that's never a good way to discuss or get close to the true picture. It is also completely pointless and wasted on this forum.

    Business trends are cumulative and driven by available alternatives. The increase in the cost of energy in Europe, higher labor costs, uncertain finances, combined with a booming economy in Asia mean that the economy will be smaller than it would be otherwise.

    The Hall Monitor thinks it is worth it - they fanatics always do - the only goal is to 'defeat Russia' no matter what. The maniacal obsession is unachievable, but they desire it fervently because their identity is tied-up with the defeat of Russia. They will declare a 'victory', again and again, to avoid looking like losers and fools. They have been announcing that Russia already lost '200k' soldiers, Putin is dead, a coup will take place, the economy will collapse in '2022', no in '2023'...ok in '2025?'...China will switch to the West, or Russians will be enslaved by China...

    Since none of it is likely to happen, the neo-cons like No Shadow have a big problem: if things stay as they are, Russia has 20% of Ukraine, destroyed 30-40% of the Ukie economy, Europe became poorer, China got stronger, no Nato in Ukieland, and the dead will haunt the country for generations. At this point either the West gets a miraculous military break-trough or they have been weakened.

    Good job, Biden, Nuland and the assorted morons dreaming of the ultimate victory over Russia...

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    Russia previously supplied half of the EU's gas. A demand drop of 13%.in December, and trending down from a drop of 27% 2 months earlier, therefore does not explain what happened.

    Furthermore, given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started, it is highly unlikely that demand is also still lower.

    On top if this, the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Germany, in cahoots with America, played Putin and played Putin hard. You're shrieking that Europe would freeze and collapse was sick and embarrassing. Honestly, of all of the huaman clichés, that of the snivelling, bloodthirsty best little boy is the one I have the least but disdain and contempt for. Try to think rather than just constantly reacting. Obviously a shrinking demand drop of 13% does not account for a getting near to within 13% of completing a plan to get off Russian gas, but that plan is now done.

    Replies: @Beckow

  379. @216
    Why is FARA not enforced?

    https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1629202856715882496?cxt=HHwWgMDQ2bjXi5wtAAAA

    It's bad enough that Russian unofficial propaganda is riven with communists, but now they are having a communist larp as a conservative.

    You can't have a pro-US demonstration in Moscow, the same should apply in this country.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @German_reader

    Also, remove the visa waiver for these types for certain European countries. Not that these types will travel there (and not sure how it could be done technically), but it’s a matter of principle. It’s time to reinstate the borders (both physical and ideological).

  380. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Europe is united, and under Germany. Only Belarus and Russia are fully left out. The continental power might not have a fertility, ethnic or cultural angle which you prefer, but nor does a single developed country, nor even developing ones that are many decades behind economically. Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too. You're going to have to realise why people are fine with modern Western policies, and even really like them, other than some conspiracy. Dismissing ideas you don't like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    Laxa, cut it off. I don’t need this accusatory psychobabble. The last psy I talked to didn’t have a theory of consciousness to explain what exactly is it they are working with. You don’t have a theory of consciousness either, so stop the BS. Sort it out between your two ears before you projet onto others online.

    Besides, female accusatory insinuations of laziness bounce of me like a ball from a wall. And just to be clear, I don’t need convincing anyone. We’re on UR for goodness sake, not in some UK parliament session. Nobody cares of what I think or write here and they do well. It is all just a nice conversation, nothing else.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool


    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
     
    This isn't what you call "psycho-babble."

    You may not care about persuasion, but dismissing ideas you don't like as having no value and instead attributing their immense popularity to conspiracy IS "intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive."

    You're not the only person to do it either. Plenty of intellectually lazy and easily dismissed progressives do it. They blame Rupert Murdoch.

    Now you might argue that you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such.

    Sorry but "these ideas I don't like have no value and are just immensely popular because everyone is a sheeeeeeeeep" is a stupid argument.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  381. @A123
    @German_reader



    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions
     
    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    Failing that, the most plausible scenarios are that their investigation:

    • Gathered minimal evidence
    • Ambiguous or inconclusive

    How much evidence does an industrial accident leave behind?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    They know where their bread is buttered.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yevardian



    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?
     
    They know where their bread is buttered.
     
    Islam butters bread? Yes, that is true. (1)

    Stockholm rocked by more gang-related explosions as bombings reach double digits in 2023

    Gangland violence across Sweden shows no sign of slowing down following last year’s record level of fatal shootings in the country
     
    However, your "IslamoButter" stance does not explain the extremely suspicious lack of physical evidence.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/crime/stockholm-rocked-by-more-gang-related-explosions-as-bombings-reach-double-digits-in-2023/

    Replies: @Yevardian

  382. @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Sailer has a post on the Great Replacement already occurring in Tunisia and places like Egypt are in line too.
     
    The Great Replacement is not underway in Tunisia. They have between 30,000 to 50,000 sub-Saharan migrants; which is less than 0.1% of the total population. Although I agree with his statements, and the need to preserve existing demographics; the Tunisian president is just trying to win some political points. Nevertheless precaution is always prudent; as Ben Franklin says “an ounce of prevention is worth a pound in cure”. The Tunisian authorities are already following through on rhetoric:

    https://twitter.com/ghostofokello/status/1628852449158070278?s=61&t=eH94EWnllY4s7Pk74ZanWA

    I haven’t seen objections from the Arabs I follow on Twitter; except for a few diaspora Arabs acculturated to Western norms. Nor is there any negative coverage of this in the Arabic press. The only objections I’ve seen are from the usual suspects: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/23/tunisia-kais-saied-racism-migrants-black-tunisians/

    In Egypt the numbers are more substantial since we border Sudan. Also citizenship is given to persons born in Egypt who are Muslim or can speak Arabic; which is a recipe for disaster. The only impediment to Great Replacement is that most Egyptians are racist towards Sudanese and Somali people; but the citizenship laws need to move towards the Saudi model (paternal requirement); otherwise we are screwed. There should also be co-operation with European states to stem the African tide.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

    An old Algerian Sufi man that I know and greatly appreciate told me once that there’s a proverb in his homeland that predicts that before the End of the Days, Black Africans shall submerge and swamp the Arabs lands. I believe it makes sense while en route to Europe.

  383. @216
    Why is FARA not enforced?

    https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1629202856715882496?cxt=HHwWgMDQ2bjXi5wtAAAA

    It's bad enough that Russian unofficial propaganda is riven with communists, but now they are having a communist larp as a conservative.

    You can't have a pro-US demonstration in Moscow, the same should apply in this country.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @German_reader

    It’s actually a good challenge.

    1. He’s revived the US MIC

    2. If you liked the Cold War certainties you’ll like the new cold war certainties.

    3. He’s made Biden look decisive and strong.

    4. He’s helped make a Jew in Kiev look Heroic.

    5. Never mind the niggers now, hate the Asiatics.

    6. The crisis in Ukraine externalized domestic disputes in the US.

    7. Putin gave us an excuse or pretext to blow up NS2.phew.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  384. @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I'm not sure how trustworthy his account is. Sometimes when you really like somebody you can become blind to their faults.


    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier)

     

    Not hardly. Most of Poland, Belarus and Baltics and part of Romania. My ancestors were from Kiev, Warsaw, Vilnius and Brest

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    I hate to break it you but this entire area has a liquid flow population. Borders are questionable at best and the boundaries of Poland are essentially elastic. What was interesting about the Pale is that the Jews had free reign of control and settlement in the massive area. An area that is staggering size, but like always the Jews like yourself moaned about being confined to the area by the Emperor of Moscow. Swinish Chutzpah. The Tsar gave you beasts the frontier to exploit and you’ve never forgiven him for it. Give them an autonomous Intermarium and they will rape and shoot your daughters in a Siberian bunker anyway.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I have my flaws but I can confirm that I had absolutely nothing to do with any Communist warcrimes. All but one of my grandparents were gone by the first World War and the one who didn't leave until after was the son of factory owner in Warsaw who definitely had no love for Communism, and who I suspect probably liked the Tsar because the alternative was to be ruled by his virulently antisemitic Polish neighbors.

  385. @Yevardian
    @A123


    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?
     
    They know where their bread is buttered.

    Replies: @A123

    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?

    They know where their bread is buttered.

    Islam butters bread? Yes, that is true. (1)

    Stockholm rocked by more gang-related explosions as bombings reach double digits in 2023

    Gangland violence across Sweden shows no sign of slowing down following last year’s record level of fatal shootings in the country

    However, your “IslamoButter” stance does not explain the extremely suspicious lack of physical evidence.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/crime/stockholm-rocked-by-more-gang-related-explosions-as-bombings-reach-double-digits-in-2023/

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @A123

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn't the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans... Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  386. @216
    Why is FARA not enforced?

    https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1629202856715882496?cxt=HHwWgMDQ2bjXi5wtAAAA

    It's bad enough that Russian unofficial propaganda is riven with communists, but now they are having a communist larp as a conservative.

    You can't have a pro-US demonstration in Moscow, the same should apply in this country.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @German_reader

    You need a Sedition Act like in WW1 for such commie types. Send Jackson Hickle to Gitmo. Or to some hellish prison where he is sodomized by big scary blacks. That’ll teach him not to undermine the Free World.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @216
    @German_reader

    You may be ironypoasting, but that is unironically a good idea. You are on the threshold of fully embracing your vassal status. We can achieve much more working together than against ourselves.

    Replies: @LatW

  387. @German_reader
    @216

    You need a Sedition Act like in WW1 for such commie types. Send Jackson Hickle to Gitmo. Or to some hellish prison where he is sodomized by big scary blacks. That'll teach him not to undermine the Free World.

    Replies: @216

    You may be ironypoasting, but that is unironically a good idea. You are on the threshold of fully embracing your vassal status. We can achieve much more working together than against ourselves.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @216

    I have another idea for him. He seems to enjoy ice baths, as well as building grandeur visions for his fellow "American men", on top of admiring Russia. He would fit right in in Russia. Under-ice fishing (with or without vodichka - although you do have to drink at least a few - to show respect! Does he have what it takes?). All those dips they take in ice cold water for Orthodox Christmas. Both body and soul will be forever strengthened.

  388. @216
    @German_reader

    You may be ironypoasting, but that is unironically a good idea. You are on the threshold of fully embracing your vassal status. We can achieve much more working together than against ourselves.

    Replies: @LatW

    I have another idea for him. He seems to enjoy ice baths, as well as building grandeur visions for his fellow “American men”, on top of admiring Russia. He would fit right in in Russia. Under-ice fishing (with or without vodichka – although you do have to drink at least a few – to show respect! Does he have what it takes?). All those dips they take in ice cold water for Orthodox Christmas. Both body and soul will be forever strengthened.

  389. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    Didn't Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya

    He was played by Louis Gossett Jr. in the movie, which was denounced in Egypt, and which resulted in productions by Columbia being banned.

    Yahya should watch it and post a review.

  390. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    If the alt right had listened to Ethan, it would not be a deader than dead movement now, represented by people who think videos like this are sympathetic or will make them popular. What does he think he's going to achieve by harassing random Jews on the street with aggressive posturing and verbal abuse?

    I find this totally alienating. How has it gotten this bad and bizarre?



    https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1629003133912514561?t=wYzEvFYSksfOdZcWJCri8A&s=19

    Replies: @songbird

    No idea who that is, but I have heard of Greenblatt. Very bad optics, but virtually unchallenged power, unless you count a tweet or two by Musk, who himself cancelled Kanye on Twitter.

  391. @Barbarossa
    @Yahya

    So, I know I said I was stepping out for a bit...but I don't want to leave my business hanging and we've finally finished Bondarchuk's War and Peace so I should give my thoughts.

    First of all, thanks Yahya for recommending it. It's been an incredible experience; very much worth the time. It is certainly one of the best, if not the best movie that I've ever seen. I'm disappointed that it's over.

    Honestly, there is so much that one could say about the movie that it's hard to focus on one thing. The movie is truly epic, if one word was to describe it, everything about it epic, and yet it never feels excessive. The pacing is so painstakingly deliberate, but this is a positive feature, and the movie never once felt boring or dragged out even with over a 7 hour run time. In the modern age dominated by frantic, frenetic, schizophrenic film making, this is even more of a contrast than it was back when it was originally produced. The slower pacing is something that I love about older movies, and this embodied it fully. It allowed for much deeper character development. Every scene seemed shot to savor, a visual feast to take in and linger over.

    Obviously the Battle of Borodino deserves mention as the most sweeping lavish battle scene imaginable. Stretching over 35 minutes long, the battle scene gives a full sense of the grinding confusion that it must have been. The number of men and horses involved are completely incredible. Also notable is how the brutality and bravery, horror and honor of war are deeply conveyed with a bare minimum of gore. The excess of modern movies in this regard is actually a distraction, only serving to shock and titillate, but accomplishes little of value to further the depiction. The battles in War and Peace are consummately gripping without relying on cheap shock.

    I did note that the Soviet treatment of the Battle of Borodino came across as a bit excessively triumphalist, since it was still a defeat for the Russians, even if it lead to winning the ultimate war. That's not surprising though since it was a Soviet movie for a Russian audience. Some slight historical massaging was not unexpected.

    Overall though, there is too much that could be said about the movie and if anyone has read this far, I'll just recommend that they just watch it. It's a completely worthwhile way to spend 7 hours of your life, and I don't say that lightly with movies!

    The kids actually all stuck with it and enjoyed it, which somewhat surprised me. Even the 3 and 6 year olds who couldn't read any of the subtitles watched it all, which is a testament to the incredible cinematography, acting, costuming, settings etc. Even without the dialog it's immersive and gripping, a true visual feast.

    Yahya, I suppose I'll have to look up your previous film reviews and see if I can glean a couple of others to watch next. Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids? It's been a bit since I got one of Kurosawa's films and the ones I've seen seemed to generally be fine for the family.

    Thanks again for the recommendation, it's been extremely enjoyable!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

    A long time ago Hollywood had gobs of movies that were excellent in quality and suitable for all ages. We used to have an audience for such things.

    If you want epic with horses galloping Gone With the Wind and Ben Hur are both pretty great. For the former there was a controversy when it came out about the language when the Clark Gable character tells the Vivien Leigh character “I don’t give a damn.”

  392. @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I'm not sure how trustworthy his account is. Sometimes when you really like somebody you can become blind to their faults.


    The Pale is, for want of a better term, The Ukraine (Frontier)

     

    Not hardly. Most of Poland, Belarus and Baltics and part of Romania. My ancestors were from Kiev, Warsaw, Vilnius and Brest

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is.

    What actually was the extent of their relationship? Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion? If he did, his words that I cited above, actually make more sense.

    Of course you are correct in pointing out the non-Ukrainian portions of the Pale.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack


    Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion?
     
    Everytime Jabo spoke of Petliura it was with overwhelming admiration and he seemed to get disproportionately angry whenever someone accused Petliura of antisemitism, kinda like, "bro, why do you care about this so much?".

    Honestly, I'm not sure if they were close friends, now that I think about it, although I'm certain they knew each other and worked together. I just assumed that they were because of how much Jabotinsky obviously admired him.

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  393. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don't understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.


    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.


    "This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology."

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large."

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    Replies: @S, @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil.

    Hall Monitor or Headmistress?

  394. @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    I hate to break it you but this entire area has a liquid flow population. Borders are questionable at best and the boundaries of Poland are essentially elastic. What was interesting about the Pale is that the Jews had free reign of control and settlement in the massive area. An area that is staggering size, but like always the Jews like yourself moaned about being confined to the area by the Emperor of Moscow. Swinish Chutzpah. The Tsar gave you beasts the frontier to exploit and you've never forgiven him for it. Give them an autonomous Intermarium and they will rape and shoot your daughters in a Siberian bunker anyway.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/Map_showing_the_percentage_of_Jews_in_the_Pale_of_Settlement_and_Congress_Poland%2C_The_Jewish_Encyclopedia_%281905%29.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I have my flaws but I can confirm that I had absolutely nothing to do with any Communist warcrimes. All but one of my grandparents were gone by the first World War and the one who didn’t leave until after was the son of factory owner in Warsaw who definitely had no love for Communism, and who I suspect probably liked the Tsar because the alternative was to be ruled by his virulently antisemitic Polish neighbors.

  395. @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William


    Jabo loved (no homo) Petliura so I’m not sure how trustworthy his account is.
     
    What actually was the extent of their relationship? Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion? If he did, his words that I cited above, actually make more sense.

    Of course you are correct in pointing out the non-Ukrainian portions of the Pale.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion?

    Everytime Jabo spoke of Petliura it was with overwhelming admiration and he seemed to get disproportionately angry whenever someone accused Petliura of antisemitism, kinda like, “bro, why do you care about this so much?”.

    Honestly, I’m not sure if they were close friends, now that I think about it, although I’m certain they knew each other and worked together. I just assumed that they were because of how much Jabotinsky obviously admired him.

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William


    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.
     
    I never got the impression that Petliura was a proponent of a Jew free Ukraine? I was always under the impression that he felt fortunate to have this educated ethnicity within Ukraine, and tried to court their favor and get them to support his agenda against others vying for power. Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings. Can you point me to anything worthwhile to read about them and their personal dealings?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  396. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    I remember telling you that Ze stayed in Ukraine because he would be a “nobody” in the West and then you objected to that saying that there is more to him. Well, yes, I agree with you, there is much more, but I chose not to mention it here (I didn’t want to be skinned alive). I just want you to know that my view of him is broader than what I let on.
     
    Oh come now LatW, you must let the cat out of the bag now. What is left of UNZ if we supplicants don't adhere to UNZ' bold credo:

    A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

     

    No UNZ reader (including yourself) comes here looking for the same drab information that can be gleaned from watching the 6:00 news, right? :-)

    Replies: @LatW

    you must let the cat out of the bag now

    One year… too long, too heavy, too much. No words to describe it. I’m counting on your people to carry us on forward, for many more years to come. But let’s not forget the wounded.

    Such sweet yet powerful voices and such excellent blending!

    “The Cossacks rode across the fields, the song of their destiny sounded loud, for their freedom, on their horses they rode;

    The Cossacks rode, they sang a song about how they loved and how they fought, for their beloved homeland, for their parents and their friends;

    Across the meadow, the song flows, a young maiden’s heart beats like a little bird,
    She gave her love to a young man, the Cossacks rode back home!”

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Thanks for your sincere and heartfelt greetings on this sad day.

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine's past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    хай всім героям які лягли за волю і долю неньки України буде пухом земля...

    Replies: @LatW

  397. @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack


    Why do you think that Jabotinsky actually loved Petliura, and not in an erotic but in a brotherly fashion?
     
    Everytime Jabo spoke of Petliura it was with overwhelming admiration and he seemed to get disproportionately angry whenever someone accused Petliura of antisemitism, kinda like, "bro, why do you care about this so much?".

    Honestly, I'm not sure if they were close friends, now that I think about it, although I'm certain they knew each other and worked together. I just assumed that they were because of how much Jabotinsky obviously admired him.

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.

    I never got the impression that Petliura was a proponent of a Jew free Ukraine? I was always under the impression that he felt fortunate to have this educated ethnicity within Ukraine, and tried to court their favor and get them to support his agenda against others vying for power. Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings. Can you point me to anything worthwhile to read about them and their personal dealings?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack


    Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings.
     
    Actually I don't. I just know that they knew each other and worked together, I think they were both from Odessa. They both had an ultra nationalist ideology that sort of fused Fascism and humanism, and they both seemed equally oblivious about the contradictions between the two. They were both intellectuals. They both seemed to view the other's national cause as similar to their own because both involved a large degree of state/nation building.

    I know that Jabotinsky took a lot of flack for working with Petliura because Petliura was widely seen as an antisemite, but Jabootinsky always strongly defended Petliura and insisted that that was not the case. Like I said above, I had always just assumed that they were close friends but maybe they weren't, I'm not sure.

    Replies: @AP

  398. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    you must let the cat out of the bag now
     
    One year... too long, too heavy, too much. No words to describe it. I'm counting on your people to carry us on forward, for many more years to come. But let's not forget the wounded.

    Such sweet yet powerful voices and such excellent blending!

    "The Cossacks rode across the fields, the song of their destiny sounded loud, for their freedom, on their horses they rode;

    The Cossacks rode, they sang a song about how they loved and how they fought, for their beloved homeland, for their parents and their friends;

    Across the meadow, the song flows, a young maiden's heart beats like a little bird,
    She gave her love to a young man, the Cossacks rode back home!"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxeEbRaRaV4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Thanks for your sincere and heartfelt greetings on this sad day.

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine’s past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    хай всім героям які лягли за волю і долю неньки України буде пухом земля…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine’s past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

     

    Thanks for those recommendations. Solovyanenko was from Donetsk and sang in La Scala. He's super romantic sounding.

    I listened to both of them and really liked both, they are very different. I think I like Hnatiuk more - such a deep, soothing voice.. it's always great to hear such a strong yet pleasant baritone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7KL8DAfBw


    Вична память і найглибша вдячність всім полеглим...

    За нашу і вашу свободу!

    🔥🔥🔥

  399. @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William


    I always got the impression that Petliura disliked Jews but felt like Jabotinsky was someone he could relate to and work with since Jabotinsky also supported a Jew free Ukraine, albeit for different reasons.
     
    I never got the impression that Petliura was a proponent of a Jew free Ukraine? I was always under the impression that he felt fortunate to have this educated ethnicity within Ukraine, and tried to court their favor and get them to support his agenda against others vying for power. Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings. Can you point me to anything worthwhile to read about them and their personal dealings?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings.

    Actually I don’t. I just know that they knew each other and worked together, I think they were both from Odessa. They both had an ultra nationalist ideology that sort of fused Fascism and humanism, and they both seemed equally oblivious about the contradictions between the two. They were both intellectuals. They both seemed to view the other’s national cause as similar to their own because both involved a large degree of state/nation building.

    I know that Jabotinsky took a lot of flack for working with Petliura because Petliura was widely seen as an antisemite, but Jabootinsky always strongly defended Petliura and insisted that that was not the case. Like I said above, I had always just assumed that they were close friends but maybe they weren’t, I’m not sure.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William

    Petliura was close personal friends with the Jew Arnold Margolin who was a frequent guest at Petliura’s house. Secular Zionism was influenced by Ukrainian nationalism. In Galicia, Ukrainian nationalists and Jews cooperated before the 1930s (both were opposed to Polish nationalists and friendly with Vienna). There was even an all-Jewish unit in the Ukrainian Galician Army:

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CJ%5CE%5CJewishBattalionoftheUkrainianGalicianArmy.htm

    The relationship between Jewish and Ukrainian nationalists changed in the 1920s and 1930s. The Bolshevik-supported Schwartzbard’s assassination of Petliura contributed to this. In Galicia, Jews made peace with the anti-Ukrainian Polish nationalists, while and Ukrainians turned to Germany.

  400. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    Thanks for your sincere and heartfelt greetings on this sad day.

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine's past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    хай всім героям які лягли за волю і долю неньки України буде пухом земля...

    Replies: @LatW

    On a cheerier note, the two cossack singers remind me of two other great singers from Ukraine’s past, Solovyanenko and Hnatiuk.

    Thanks for those recommendations. Solovyanenko was from Donetsk and sang in La Scala. He’s super romantic sounding.

    I listened to both of them and really liked both, they are very different. I think I like Hnatiuk more – such a deep, soothing voice.. it’s always great to hear such a strong yet pleasant baritone.


    Вична память і найглибша вдячність всім полеглим…

    За нашу і вашу свободу!

    🔥🔥🔥

  401. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don't understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.


    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.


    "This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology."

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large."

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    Replies: @S, @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa

    …Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    The question is whether the drop in demand can be sustained. The demand can be kept low by shutting down energy-intensive industry, higher prices, consumer ‘efficiency’, weather…There are substitutes but they are more expensive or polluting.

    It can be managed but it is a worse energy situation for Europe than previously. The unknown is what will happen if Asia demand goes up based on their fast-growing economies. What the frustrated Leave No Shadow is doing is cherrypicking numbers and aggressively pushing an ideological narrative – that’s never a good way to discuss or get close to the true picture. It is also completely pointless and wasted on this forum.

    Business trends are cumulative and driven by available alternatives. The increase in the cost of energy in Europe, higher labor costs, uncertain finances, combined with a booming economy in Asia mean that the economy will be smaller than it would be otherwise.

    The Hall Monitor thinks it is worth it – they fanatics always do – the only goal is to ‘defeat Russia‘ no matter what. The maniacal obsession is unachievable, but they desire it fervently because their identity is tied-up with the defeat of Russia. They will declare a ‘victory’, again and again, to avoid looking like losers and fools. They have been announcing that Russia already lost ‘200k’ soldiers, Putin is dead, a coup will take place, the economy will collapse in ‘2022’, no in ‘2023’…ok in ‘2025?’…China will switch to the West, or Russians will be enslaved by China…

    Since none of it is likely to happen, the neo-cons like No Shadow have a big problem: if things stay as they are, Russia has 20% of Ukraine, destroyed 30-40% of the Ukie economy, Europe became poorer, China got stronger, no Nato in Ukieland, and the dead will haunt the country for generations. At this point either the West gets a miraculous military break-trough or they have been weakened.

    Good job, Biden, Nuland and the assorted morons dreaming of the ultimate victory over Russia…

  402. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://www.bruegel.org/dataset/european-natural-gas-demand-tracker#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20we%20estimate%20that,%2C%20and%20December%2013%25%20lower.

    So you don't understand supply and demand. Among other things like Plumbing.


    Demand is seriously reduced in Europe. Demand is off in the EU by 12% over the last year/years.


    "This dataset tracks monthly natural gas demand by EU country, with a breakdown of the power, industry and household sectors wherever possible. Because there isn’t a timely and comprehensive data source covering all of the EU, this dataset is built by compiling data from a range of sources. A technical annex explains this methodology."

    Germany is off by 14% in demand.

    In 2022, we estimate that EU natural gas demand (which does not include storage filling) was 12% lower than the average from the period 2019 to 2021. Demand in October 2022 was 27%, in November 24%, and December 13% lower. While in summer months, most of the reduction was driven by industry – in October and November, there was significant reductions to household demand. This was partly driven by warmer than average weather. The start of December was notably cold and household demand reductions were not as large."

    note the bar graph. Industrial demand in Germany has collapsed by 10%.

    You might be the Hall Monitor but you certainly are not the Star Pupil. Tumbling prices are problem if they also reflect softening demand by castrated industries.

    Replies: @S, @Beckow, @Triteleia Laxa

    Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas. A demand drop of 13%.in December, and trending down from a drop of 27% 2 months earlier, therefore does not explain what happened.

    Furthermore, given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started, it is highly unlikely that demand is also still lower.

    On top if this, the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Germany, in cahoots with America, played Putin and played Putin hard. You’re shrieking that Europe would freeze and collapse was sick and embarrassing. Honestly, of all of the huaman clichés, that of the snivelling, bloodthirsty best little boy is the one I have the least but disdain and contempt for. Try to think rather than just constantly reacting. Obviously a shrinking demand drop of 13% does not account for a getting near to within 13% of completing a plan to get off Russian gas, but that plan is now done.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.
     
    No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.

    given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started
     
    And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies - nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher...explain it to us, who 'played' whom?

    ...the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.
     
    Basically a lie. Germany is 'growing' 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the 'growth' is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy...adjusted by 'inflation', so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia.

    In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% - and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower - that artificially boosts the GNP 'growth'...but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause...let's just agree that we are all worse off economically...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  403. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    If you believe paragraph 1, you can stop the hysteria.

    If you want paragraph 2, you will be delighted when Russian troops return to Russia.

    If paragraph 3 is correct, the "take the good with the bad" is as true for you as it is for me. Or "take the bad with the good" if you prefer!

    And if paragraph 4 is true, I wonder when you predict Russia will be storming into Kharkhiv or Kherson?

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let's be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show. It will be a very different governing apparatus going forward. You probably have less than a year to mentally adjust. Keep this at least at the back of your mind.

    You've admittedly come a long way from your spiteful delusions of last year, where you were ranting about the end of Ukraine etc, but you still have a very long way to go. I suppose I should be hopeful for you. You might trail reality at a long distance, but you do seem to maintain at least that little amount of contact with it.

    Or, you know, go bathe in the anaesthesia of a Ritter or Macgregor video, where the great Russian offensive is always tomorrow, and your enemies will swiftly recognise your genius, and the horror of the reality you've been supporting never has to register in your spotless, amber-soakrd "vision."

    Replies: @Beckow

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive. Russia has 20% of Ukraine, we have no way of knowing what their territorial goals were – if they even existed – so you constant refrain about Kharkov is pointless. Why does Russia need Kharkov? Or Kiev?

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved. Spare us the ‘high spirit’ speeches, the Kiev-Ukraine is smaller, weaker, much smaller economy (30-40%), completely dependent on the West for survival….it lost 5-10 million people, probably permanently.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’ For that you need constant affirmations of repeated Russian failures, so you invent what they must do and then when it doesn’t happen, you scream that they failed. It is unreal in its infantilism.

    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help…

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let’s assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?

    Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
     
    Ukraine will take the loss, as soon as Russia goes home.

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved.
     
    Great, then Russia can go home.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’
     
    I'm not waiting for anything. Every pro-Russia commenter was claiming that one would be underway tomorrow, for the last 3 months, even as Russia's offensive was already underway, but too much of a failure for them to accept it.

    You may claim that there was no offensive and none pushed by such commenters. That's ok. I won't disrupt your cope in this area further.

    Please get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine's effort that will come before July.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You talk constant hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all your pronouncements.
     
    He will.

    And if he doesn't get replaced, I will be wrong, and Russia will be truly f*cked. I won't care about being wrong, but the latter point will upset me greatly.

    And he won't get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see.

    I also have only goodwill towards Russia and absolutely no desire to destroy the place. I'd only suggest they preserve their young men's lives by going home and slightly diminish their territory by kicking Chechnya, and Chechnyans, out of the federation. Even my romantic partner is Russian and their entire family is Russian.

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat.
     
    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia. Were it an existential threat, Russia would currently be spending as much of their GDP on the war effort as Ukraine is. Ukraine is actually fighting an existential war.

    On the other hand, the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially. Russians would be lynched on the street in other countries, (which would be a personal problem for me.) Russia itself would likely also be obliterated. No country would trade with Russia and everyone would seek its complete destruction so that the world could again live in a time without constant nuclear worry.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
     
    The Ukrainian General Staff are preparing to strike southwards towards the Azov coast, in the direction of Melitopol. Another scenario might be possible where they storm Dnipro, straight into Crimea (around Armiansk) but that scenario is probably less likely. The Ukrainians have already hit Mariupol in the last few days, so that means they have received the medium range missiles (it's possible that they already have the GLSDB which can strike up to 150kms). They might receive a lot of what they need in March to carry out this offensive. It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    [Russian offensive] Really? How come nobody noticed?
     
    Russian offensive has been going since January. Mobilization is still proceeding, over 300K Russian troops could be in Ukraine now. It has been noticed very well by the Ukrainians, but not by you because it hasn't been that successful.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

  404. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
     
    Laxa, cut it off. I don't need this accusatory psychobabble. The last psy I talked to didn't have a theory of consciousness to explain what exactly is it they are working with. You don't have a theory of consciousness either, so stop the BS. Sort it out between your two ears before you projet onto others online.

    Besides, female accusatory insinuations of laziness bounce of me like a ball from a wall. And just to be clear, I don't need convincing anyone. We're on UR for goodness sake, not in some UK parliament session. Nobody cares of what I think or write here and they do well. It is all just a nice conversation, nothing else.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.

    This isn’t what you call “psycho-babble.”

    You may not care about persuasion, but dismissing ideas you don’t like as having no value and instead attributing their immense popularity to conspiracy IS “intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive.”

    You’re not the only person to do it either. Plenty of intellectually lazy and easily dismissed progressives do it. They blame Rupert Murdoch.

    Now you might argue that you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such.

    Sorry but “these ideas I don’t like have no value and are just immensely popular because everyone is a sheeeeeeeeep” is a stupid argument.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such
     
    https://crosti.ru/patterns/00/03/32/67_preview_9dbd76c4.jpg

    Laxa honey, why so serious ?!

    🙂



    https://youtu.be/JNWGlsw-m2k

    АУЕ...

    👊
  405. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive. Russia has 20% of Ukraine, we have no way of knowing what their territorial goals were - if they even existed - so you constant refrain about Kharkov is pointless. Why does Russia need Kharkov? Or Kiev?

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved. Spare us the 'high spirit' speeches, the Kiev-Ukraine is smaller, weaker, much smaller economy (30-40%), completely dependent on the West for survival....it lost 5-10 million people, probably permanently.

    You are waiting for the 'Russian offensive' because you have created a narrative that 'Kiev side can never lose!' For that you need constant affirmations of repeated Russian failures, so you invent what they must do and then when it doesn't happen, you scream that they failed. It is unreal in its infantilism.


    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.
     
    Will he? What if he doesn't? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help...

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes - I think they work, let's not take a chance :) - they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let's assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?

    Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.

    Ukraine will take the loss, as soon as Russia goes home.

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved.

    Great, then Russia can go home.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’

    I’m not waiting for anything. Every pro-Russia commenter was claiming that one would be underway tomorrow, for the last 3 months, even as Russia’s offensive was already underway, but too much of a failure for them to accept it.

    You may claim that there was no offensive and none pushed by such commenters. That’s ok. I won’t disrupt your cope in this area further.

    Please get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You talk constant hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all your pronouncements.

    He will.

    And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong, and Russia will be truly f*cked. I won’t care about being wrong, but the latter point will upset me greatly.

    And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see.

    I also have only goodwill towards Russia and absolutely no desire to destroy the place. I’d only suggest they preserve their young men’s lives by going home and slightly diminish their territory by kicking Chechnya, and Chechnyans, out of the federation. Even my romantic partner is Russian and their entire family is Russian.

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia. Were it an existential threat, Russia would currently be spending as much of their GDP on the war effort as Ukraine is. Ukraine is actually fighting an existential war.

    On the other hand, the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially. Russians would be lynched on the street in other countries, (which would be a personal problem for me.) Russia itself would likely also be obliterated. No country would trade with Russia and everyone would seek its complete destruction so that the world could again live in a time without constant nuclear worry.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...even as Russia’s offensive was already underway
     
    Really? How come nobody noticed?

    get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.
     
    Ok, I am ready... :) Does it also mean the 50% likelihood of a failure? Do you realize that 50-50 projections are equivalent to saying 'I don't know'?

    He will....And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong...And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see....I also have only goodwill towards Russia
     
    That is incoherent: an oxymoron par excellence...you seem to know nothing and just blow hot air. I don't buy your goodwill, you are consistently fanatically against Russia as it is - nobody cares about yours (or your partner's) fantasy Russia. It is like me saying that I have goodwill for England, but they need to let go of Scotland, Wales, Ulster, abolish monarchy, stop eating greasy foods, submit finances to a Prague arbitration board, declare Shakespeare and Queen Victoria totalitarian tyrants, join Catholic Church, etc...you have no 'goodwill', only deep hatred of the real Russia as it is.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia
     
    If Nato moves to Ukraine with bases-missiles it would be an existential threat. In any case, it is up to them to decide - as it would be Russia would move to occupy Quebec or Chine to Ireland.

    the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially.
     
    Among other places...:)...it would destroy most of the north-western hemisphere, England for sure. Do you really not see that? How would a nuclear war not be two-sided, and how would not most of us be destroyed? Do you hate Russia so much that you are willing to go for it? Or take a chance?

    Replies: @QCIC

  406. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    Didn't Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    Replies: @songbird, @Yahya

    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?

    Yes and he was routinely derided as “Nasser’s black poodle” until he became president; after which Egyptians promptly sealed their mouths. Racism is complicated. My experience is that Egyptians are accepting of mulattos; but will still subject them to derogatory insults; mostly in good nature, but sometimes not. Sudanese and Somali people are already 30-50% genetically Semit0-Caucasian; so the hybrids are 60-70%+ Middle Eastern. Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object. That’s pretty much what happens irl:

    It’s a bit cruel though. It may be a deterrent to migration; but I’d just prefer a strict immigration enforcement regime; and Saudi-style citizenship laws. OTOH, its good that Egyptians are based re blacks; even in the upper segments of society.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles? Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Mikel
    @Yahya


    Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object
     
    You mean you can publicly call a non-white racial group monkeys and your company will not fire you declaring that you don't represent their values, your bank will not close your account and Egyptair will not put you on their travel blacklist? How can such a country continue to function normally?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  407. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    Russia previously supplied half of the EU's gas. A demand drop of 13%.in December, and trending down from a drop of 27% 2 months earlier, therefore does not explain what happened.

    Furthermore, given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started, it is highly unlikely that demand is also still lower.

    On top if this, the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Germany, in cahoots with America, played Putin and played Putin hard. You're shrieking that Europe would freeze and collapse was sick and embarrassing. Honestly, of all of the huaman clichés, that of the snivelling, bloodthirsty best little boy is the one I have the least but disdain and contempt for. Try to think rather than just constantly reacting. Obviously a shrinking demand drop of 13% does not account for a getting near to within 13% of completing a plan to get off Russian gas, but that plan is now done.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.

    No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.

    given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started

    And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies – nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher…explain it to us, who ‘played’ whom?

    …the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.

    Basically a lie. Germany is ‘growing’ 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the ‘growth’ is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy…adjusted by ‘inflation’, so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia.

    In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% – and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower – that artificially boosts the GNP ‘growth‘…but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause…let’s just agree that we are all worse off economically…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Ok, Beckow, you know the real economic growth rates and your argument here has persuaded me that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Certainly it is that rigorous.

    This is why I should ignore the fact that Russia shrunk this year, but Germany did not, and should ignore the majority of predictions that Russia will shrink again this year, but Germany will not.

    I should also accept that Russia's gas weapon worked brilliantly because of, well, I can't follow your arguments but ok, it is likely too brilliant and unbiased for me.

    Russia has achieved all of its objectives in Ukraine and can now go home. Russia has completely destroyed Europe and can now go home. America has never been weaker, so Russia can now go home. Putin is the best, so can now retire in total glory. This war has not been a catastrophe of choice for Russia from beginning until its eventual end. You have not cheerled the worst and most psychotic foreign policy decision in Europe since 1945. All of your predictions were right and now Russia will be bathed in the eternal gratitude of everyone in the fine continent!

    Everyone knows all of this and the only thing stopping them from ectsatically concurring is direct employment by the US Neocon ministry of propaganda. A huge, all-powerful, yet somehow also totally incompetent organisation, that reserves its most special and highly paid operatives to talk to you.

    All of this is absolutely certain and everyone knows it.

    Now you can find another hobby. The bad guys have lost. The good guys have won. You were right all along. Probably this pattern has been repeating all of your life, which is why you're so satisfied with the geopolitical outcomes.

    I wish you the best. As far as coping mechanisms go, yours isn't bad. I'm sorry you've had to develop it though. Life can be cruel, but I promise you that it has meaning and that things will make sense. It just might be on a timeline longer than you're expecting.

    Replies: @Beckow

  408. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    From the previous thread.

    In your latest reply to me you mention an article about 11 Yamnaya remains that were found in Southern Russia where 8 of them had haplogroup R1b-Z2103 and another 2 had R1b-M269 and R1b-L23.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.

    From this you conclude the following:


    Most Yamnaya men were absolutely unrelated to the Bell-Beakers .../... the Yamnaya and the Beakers only distantly related, Yamnaya not really going into Western Europe
     
    I think that this is wrong.

    But first of all let me say that I'm just trying to understand here because I realized in our discussion that I have some incomplete understanding of ancient migrations in Europe and you have clearly done much more reading on the subject than me, even though a good amount of it seems to be from online sources like Eupedia that I don't trust very much. I remember having read very questionable theories there in the past.

    Let me also clarify that I have no defined sympathies or allegiances in the Bell Beaker vs Corded Ware conflict. I find both kinds of pottery cool enough for the period :)

    So, for starters, you are making strong claims based on a very small sample of Yamnaya people located in a single place of EE. 8 of them had a haplogroup that is not found in Western Europe but even in this limited sample 2 individuals belonged to R1b clades that are upstream of those prevalent in Western Europe (from your own Eupedia image). All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.

    Furthermore, in the Wikipedia page on the Yamnaya we read the following:

    The same study estimated a (38.8–50.4 %) ancestral contribution of the Yamnaya in the DNA of modern Central, and Northern Europeans, and an 18.5–32.6 % contribution in modern Southern Europeans
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.

    Besides:

    Haak et al. also note that their results state that haplogroup R-M269 spread into Europe from the East after 3000 BC.[68] Studies that analysed ancient human remains in Ireland and Portugal support the thesis that R-M269 was introduced in these places along with autosomal DNA from the Eastern European steppes.
     
    and from the Y haplogroup R1b Wikipedia page:

    Three genetic studies in 2015 gave support to the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas regarding the Proto-Indo-European homeland. According to those studies, haplogroups R1b-M269 and R1a, now the most common in Europe (R1a is also common in South Asia) would have expanded from the West Eurasian Steppe, along with the Indo-European languages; they also detected an autosomal component present in modern Europeans which was not present in Neolithic Europeans, which would have been introduced with paternal lineages R1b and R1a
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R1b#Geographical_distribution

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Another Polish Perspective

    The thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a is dubious at least; 90%+ of what was found in those kurgans were R1b. But the thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a too is dear to many, for some reason which would be worth investigating. David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the “low-class” part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in “high-class” R1b kurgans.
    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry. I get a sense there is a shadow here of this R1a vs R1b conflict Ivaskha talked about, but can’t pinpoint wherefrom this shadow originates.

    The another problem with this is whether or not there was a steppe invasion of West Europe, since there are non-Yamnaya R1b clades in West Europe too. So did one R1b invade another R1b group..? It does not make sense as much as the invasion or plague that decimated neolithic I2 men did make sense. And in fact the only other Y-haplotype found in Yamna is I2, who were to became “helots” of R1b, according to Ivashka.
    Frankly, we could perhaps propose a thesis that R1b invaded East from West, but we can’t because we are committed to the paradigm of both the idea of Invasion from Steppe and Yamnaya as the origin of both R1a and R1b cultures.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective


    David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the “low-class” part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in “high-class” R1b kurgans.
     
    In fact, this could support the R1b migration from West to East since the only way R1b could surely exclude R1a in the East would be through retaining kinship and social organization they had brought from West, where there was no R1a. Otherwise, you can't easily say who is R1a and who is R1b just by looking at their faces.
    , @Mikel
    @Another Polish Perspective


    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry.
     
    Well, we need to go step by step. I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe. But how exactly R1b became dominant in the different parts of Western Europe is a different matter. I don't have an answer at this point, other than the main European clade R1b-M269 originating in the East and somehow spreading westwards through its subclades in a probably complex way.

    I clearly remember a recent paper, mentioned even by Sailer in his Unz column, that described a similar event to the one depicted in the Nature paper above for the British Islands: invaders with Steppe ancestry replacing the male population also in Iberia. It must have been during a different period and perhaps with different protagonists involved but I don't have the time now to look for that paper. I need to honor my weekend routines.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  409. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.
     
    No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.

    given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started
     
    And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies - nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher...explain it to us, who 'played' whom?

    ...the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.
     
    Basically a lie. Germany is 'growing' 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the 'growth' is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy...adjusted by 'inflation', so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia.

    In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% - and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower - that artificially boosts the GNP 'growth'...but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause...let's just agree that we are all worse off economically...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Ok, Beckow, you know the real economic growth rates and your argument here has persuaded me that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Certainly it is that rigorous.

    This is why I should ignore the fact that Russia shrunk this year, but Germany did not, and should ignore the majority of predictions that Russia will shrink again this year, but Germany will not.

    I should also accept that Russia’s gas weapon worked brilliantly because of, well, I can’t follow your arguments but ok, it is likely too brilliant and unbiased for me.

    Russia has achieved all of its objectives in Ukraine and can now go home. Russia has completely destroyed Europe and can now go home. America has never been weaker, so Russia can now go home. Putin is the best, so can now retire in total glory. This war has not been a catastrophe of choice for Russia from beginning until its eventual end. You have not cheerled the worst and most psychotic foreign policy decision in Europe since 1945. All of your predictions were right and now Russia will be bathed in the eternal gratitude of everyone in the fine continent!

    Everyone knows all of this and the only thing stopping them from ectsatically concurring is direct employment by the US Neocon ministry of propaganda. A huge, all-powerful, yet somehow also totally incompetent organisation, that reserves its most special and highly paid operatives to talk to you.

    All of this is absolutely certain and everyone knows it.

    Now you can find another hobby. The bad guys have lost. The good guys have won. You were right all along. Probably this pattern has been repeating all of your life, which is why you’re so satisfied with the geopolitical outcomes.

    I wish you the best. As far as coping mechanisms go, yours isn’t bad. I’m sorry you’ve had to develop it though. Life can be cruel, but I promise you that it has meaning and that things will make sense. It just might be on a timeline longer than you’re expecting.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Lots of bs with no meaning...if you need to talk to a psychiatrist this forum is probably not the right place, there are too many rational people here.

    But I will take it as you conceding - in a weirdly feminine way - that you were wrong.

  410. @A123
    @Yevardian



    Is there a Swedish conspiracy to actively cover something up?
     
    They know where their bread is buttered.
     
    Islam butters bread? Yes, that is true. (1)

    Stockholm rocked by more gang-related explosions as bombings reach double digits in 2023

    Gangland violence across Sweden shows no sign of slowing down following last year’s record level of fatal shootings in the country
     
    However, your "IslamoButter" stance does not explain the extremely suspicious lack of physical evidence.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/crime/stockholm-rocked-by-more-gang-related-explosions-as-bombings-reach-double-digits-in-2023/

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn’t the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans… Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    • Agree: Mikel
    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Yevardian


    ...Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.
     
    I think I know the guys....The timing was accidental, they have been fishing off the Swedish coast for years, plotting the evil act as a misguided revenge on their utility company. They are dislexic and got NS2 and NS1 mixed up...

    It's all clear now, nothing to see, let's move on...

    , @A123
    @Yevardian


    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn’t the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans… Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.
     
    An accident is still the most plausible explanation.

    The European WEF wants open borders. George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation are integral to the anti-Christian WEF. Ukie Maximalist aggression predictably yielded migration. If it turns out to be a sabotage, then you present a credible potential actor to be analyzed.

    🇺🇦🇵🇸 IslamoGloboHomo 🇵🇸🇺🇦 blowing up Nordstream makes much more sense that the U.S.

    PEACE 😇
  411. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
     
    Ukraine will take the loss, as soon as Russia goes home.

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved.
     
    Great, then Russia can go home.

    You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’
     
    I'm not waiting for anything. Every pro-Russia commenter was claiming that one would be underway tomorrow, for the last 3 months, even as Russia's offensive was already underway, but too much of a failure for them to accept it.

    You may claim that there was no offensive and none pushed by such commenters. That's ok. I won't disrupt your cope in this area further.

    Please get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine's effort that will come before July.

    Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You talk constant hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all your pronouncements.
     
    He will.

    And if he doesn't get replaced, I will be wrong, and Russia will be truly f*cked. I won't care about being wrong, but the latter point will upset me greatly.

    And he won't get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see.

    I also have only goodwill towards Russia and absolutely no desire to destroy the place. I'd only suggest they preserve their young men's lives by going home and slightly diminish their territory by kicking Chechnya, and Chechnyans, out of the federation. Even my romantic partner is Russian and their entire family is Russian.

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat.
     
    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia. Were it an existential threat, Russia would currently be spending as much of their GDP on the war effort as Ukraine is. Ukraine is actually fighting an existential war.

    On the other hand, the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially. Russians would be lynched on the street in other countries, (which would be a personal problem for me.) Russia itself would likely also be obliterated. No country would trade with Russia and everyone would seek its complete destruction so that the world could again live in a time without constant nuclear worry.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …even as Russia’s offensive was already underway

    Really? How come nobody noticed?

    get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.

    Ok, I am ready… 🙂 Does it also mean the 50% likelihood of a failure? Do you realize that 50-50 projections are equivalent to saying ‘I don’t know’?

    He will….And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong…And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see….I also have only goodwill towards Russia

    That is incoherent: an oxymoron par excellence…you seem to know nothing and just blow hot air. I don’t buy your goodwill, you are consistently fanatically against Russia as it is – nobody cares about yours (or your partner’s) fantasy Russia. It is like me saying that I have goodwill for England, but they need to let go of Scotland, Wales, Ulster, abolish monarchy, stop eating greasy foods, submit finances to a Prague arbitration board, declare Shakespeare and Queen Victoria totalitarian tyrants, join Catholic Church, etc…you have no ‘goodwill’, only deep hatred of the real Russia as it is.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia

    If Nato moves to Ukraine with bases-missiles it would be an existential threat. In any case, it is up to them to decide – as it would be Russia would move to occupy Quebec or Chine to Ireland.

    the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially.

    Among other places…:)…it would destroy most of the north-western hemisphere, England for sure. Do you really not see that? How would a nuclear war not be two-sided, and how would not most of us be destroyed? Do you hate Russia so much that you are willing to go for it? Or take a chance?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Russia seeks a victory which solves the Ukraine problem--drive out Nato, defend borders, protect the Russo-Slavic sphere.

    I think Russia prefers a final result which makes it less likely the West will pursue additional regime change projects in FSU countries.

    I don't know what concessions might be made to work toward the secondary goal once the victory is achieved.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  412. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Ok, Beckow, you know the real economic growth rates and your argument here has persuaded me that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Certainly it is that rigorous.

    This is why I should ignore the fact that Russia shrunk this year, but Germany did not, and should ignore the majority of predictions that Russia will shrink again this year, but Germany will not.

    I should also accept that Russia's gas weapon worked brilliantly because of, well, I can't follow your arguments but ok, it is likely too brilliant and unbiased for me.

    Russia has achieved all of its objectives in Ukraine and can now go home. Russia has completely destroyed Europe and can now go home. America has never been weaker, so Russia can now go home. Putin is the best, so can now retire in total glory. This war has not been a catastrophe of choice for Russia from beginning until its eventual end. You have not cheerled the worst and most psychotic foreign policy decision in Europe since 1945. All of your predictions were right and now Russia will be bathed in the eternal gratitude of everyone in the fine continent!

    Everyone knows all of this and the only thing stopping them from ectsatically concurring is direct employment by the US Neocon ministry of propaganda. A huge, all-powerful, yet somehow also totally incompetent organisation, that reserves its most special and highly paid operatives to talk to you.

    All of this is absolutely certain and everyone knows it.

    Now you can find another hobby. The bad guys have lost. The good guys have won. You were right all along. Probably this pattern has been repeating all of your life, which is why you're so satisfied with the geopolitical outcomes.

    I wish you the best. As far as coping mechanisms go, yours isn't bad. I'm sorry you've had to develop it though. Life can be cruel, but I promise you that it has meaning and that things will make sense. It just might be on a timeline longer than you're expecting.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Lots of bs with no meaning…if you need to talk to a psychiatrist this forum is probably not the right place, there are too many rational people here.

    But I will take it as you conceding – in a weirdly feminine way – that you were wrong.

  413. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel

    The thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a is dubious at least; 90%+ of what was found in those kurgans were R1b. But the thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a too is dear to many, for some reason which would be worth investigating. David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the "low-class" part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in "high-class" R1b kurgans.
    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry. I get a sense there is a shadow here of this R1a vs R1b conflict Ivaskha talked about, but can't pinpoint wherefrom this shadow originates.

    The another problem with this is whether or not there was a steppe invasion of West Europe, since there are non-Yamnaya R1b clades in West Europe too. So did one R1b invade another R1b group..? It does not make sense as much as the invasion or plague that decimated neolithic I2 men did make sense. And in fact the only other Y-haplotype found in Yamna is I2, who were to became "helots" of R1b, according to Ivashka.
    Frankly, we could perhaps propose a thesis that R1b invaded East from West, but we can't because we are committed to the paradigm of both the idea of Invasion from Steppe and Yamnaya as the origin of both R1a and R1b cultures.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mikel

    David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the “low-class” part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in “high-class” R1b kurgans.

    In fact, this could support the R1b migration from West to East since the only way R1b could surely exclude R1a in the East would be through retaining kinship and social organization they had brought from West, where there was no R1a. Otherwise, you can’t easily say who is R1a and who is R1b just by looking at their faces.

  414. @Barbarossa
    @Yahya

    So, I know I said I was stepping out for a bit...but I don't want to leave my business hanging and we've finally finished Bondarchuk's War and Peace so I should give my thoughts.

    First of all, thanks Yahya for recommending it. It's been an incredible experience; very much worth the time. It is certainly one of the best, if not the best movie that I've ever seen. I'm disappointed that it's over.

    Honestly, there is so much that one could say about the movie that it's hard to focus on one thing. The movie is truly epic, if one word was to describe it, everything about it epic, and yet it never feels excessive. The pacing is so painstakingly deliberate, but this is a positive feature, and the movie never once felt boring or dragged out even with over a 7 hour run time. In the modern age dominated by frantic, frenetic, schizophrenic film making, this is even more of a contrast than it was back when it was originally produced. The slower pacing is something that I love about older movies, and this embodied it fully. It allowed for much deeper character development. Every scene seemed shot to savor, a visual feast to take in and linger over.

    Obviously the Battle of Borodino deserves mention as the most sweeping lavish battle scene imaginable. Stretching over 35 minutes long, the battle scene gives a full sense of the grinding confusion that it must have been. The number of men and horses involved are completely incredible. Also notable is how the brutality and bravery, horror and honor of war are deeply conveyed with a bare minimum of gore. The excess of modern movies in this regard is actually a distraction, only serving to shock and titillate, but accomplishes little of value to further the depiction. The battles in War and Peace are consummately gripping without relying on cheap shock.

    I did note that the Soviet treatment of the Battle of Borodino came across as a bit excessively triumphalist, since it was still a defeat for the Russians, even if it lead to winning the ultimate war. That's not surprising though since it was a Soviet movie for a Russian audience. Some slight historical massaging was not unexpected.

    Overall though, there is too much that could be said about the movie and if anyone has read this far, I'll just recommend that they just watch it. It's a completely worthwhile way to spend 7 hours of your life, and I don't say that lightly with movies!

    The kids actually all stuck with it and enjoyed it, which somewhat surprised me. Even the 3 and 6 year olds who couldn't read any of the subtitles watched it all, which is a testament to the incredible cinematography, acting, costuming, settings etc. Even without the dialog it's immersive and gripping, a true visual feast.

    Yahya, I suppose I'll have to look up your previous film reviews and see if I can glean a couple of others to watch next. Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids? It's been a bit since I got one of Kurosawa's films and the ones I've seen seemed to generally be fine for the family.

    Thanks again for the recommendation, it's been extremely enjoyable!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

    Do you have any particular recommendations of similar quality films that might also be acceptable with kids?

    Tokyo Story is a must; one of the all-time greats of world cinema. There’s not one scene of nudity or violence iirc. It’s a story of familial obligation and filial piety. If I was a Westerner I’d try to expose them to these values since they are somewhat lacking in Anglo-based societies; where individualism reigns supreme. Not to mention the Earthly benefits that will accrue to you and your wife in old age!

    About Elly is an Iranian movie with a subtle didactic message. A Separation is also a good movie by the same director, but About Elly is more plot-driven and entertaining. Both of these movies make the same underlying message; but they also don’t shove judgements down your throat; allowing the viewer to observe a moral complication from multiple perspectives. I’d recommend them as an antidote to the moral simplicity of kid movies; the mental structures of which collapse as soon as they grow old enough to encounter the ambiguities and complexities of the real world.

    Lord Of The Rings is a no-brainer for immersive entertainment; unlike the other movies I mentioned, you can count on your kids enjoying it.

    I’d also recommend the 1984 version of A Christmas Carol, starring the talented George C. Scott as the miserly Scrooge. I’m sure your kids have already encountered this story before, given its canonical status among Christmas stories; but if they haven’t read/watched the story, I’d recommend this rendition. I’ve also watched the animation; which is quite good; but the 1984 production is more adult-oriented; and the real actors are more convincing than animated pixels. On the Dickens front; there’s also the 2005 adaptation of Oliver Twist; which was panned by critics and viewers; but tbh I thought was a decent production.

    Finally, I’d recommend the 1984 biographical depiction Amadeus. It’s a decent movie but not one I’d rank among the all-time greats; it does not contain the transcendental element of War & Peace or Tokyo Story. There’s a nude scene in there; which was quite silly and totally unnecessary; but no hard sex or violence. I’m not sure why they included that nude scene; otherwise I think Amadeus would be excellent for kid viewing. It’s most important objective would be getting kids to appreciate classical music. The score contains several of Mozart’s greatest and most accessible tunes. I’ve seen some reviews by people who said this movie was their first introduction to classical music. I was already familiar with the genre when I watched it; but I did discover Mass in C Minor which I had not been previously aware of:

    The musical discovery alone is worth the 3 hour watch.

  415. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    The political mentality and history between the far-West of Europe (like Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Britain and so on) is too different from Russia’s and the Post-Soviet area.
     
    I agree. The West is different from the Slavdom and probably always will be. It literally goes back millenia. I concur that the westernmost part of Europe has a lot in common.

    We might see it as an "Atlantic Civilization" vs the "Eurasian Civilization" of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.

    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.

    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the ‘New European’ as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn’t be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It's an interesting question, and I don't really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth's biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn't a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don't have a coherent answer myself.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Russians see Germans in a mostly humorous way. They actually mostly like the Germans, but they see them as too square/rational and somewhat stock up. There is a Russian saying: "a German ax will get stuck in Russian dough". The mentality of both populations is very different, although they know each other well and sometimes even speak of each other appreciatively. It's based on a very long period of interaction. They have been neighbors from the earliest times. If you're interested, we can discuss it, but it is a very lenghty topic.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AP

    , @S
    @Coconuts


    Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.
     
    Please take this as constructive criticism and nothing more.

    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.

    If you feel as an individual that you wish to give up and surrender, that is a terrible thing, certainly. It is your affair, however, and no one can stop you.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.

    It would be the same difference if you were part of a group which became infected by an often fatal plague. If you as an individual happened to die from it, that would be terrible, certainly.
    However, you wouldn't have the right to make the decision for everyone else that they die from it as well.

    You should hope instead, for the many obvious reasons, that your compatriots surprise you and find a way to survive, and live.

    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism, I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them. :-(

    Replies: @Coconuts

  416. @Yevardian
    @A123

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn't the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans... Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    I think I know the guys….The timing was accidental, they have been fishing off the Swedish coast for years, plotting the evil act as a misguided revenge on their utility company. They are dislexic and got NS2 and NS1 mixed up…

    It’s all clear now, nothing to see, let’s move on…

  417. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    I agree that samples are small. So were also the ancient populations. Most tribes back then were a few thousand people maximum and the largest Tripolye "towns" (villages) were perhaps 10 000 people at most. I am writing this because I agree that a founder effect was more easily established in these conditions.


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    What matters are the subclades. Because the subclades are the regional clusters. I don't think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia (which BTW I didn't read for many years, but which allows for a great introduction into paleogenetics). This phylogenetic tree picture doesn't open for some reason and German Reader is wary of me posting trojan infected pics that would allow me "hacking into his HD" (in case you missed the drama, Altan wrote of me hacking into his HD using some pictures, I have no idea where he got this mad idea from), so if you want to have a look, here's an altered link below do you can cut and paste:

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.pngX

    If you follow the link, you'll see that 80% of Yamnaya cluster into a lateral Eastern European/ Western Asian (Eurasian actually) branch that is unrelated to all the BB that were found later in Western Europe and clustered in the Italo-Gaulish branch, which is also close to the Ibero-Atlantic one. It is very easy to see on the tree.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.
     
    They sampled 96 skeletons, of which 14 were those of BB. Presumably, others were from some other cultures. Among the 14, 11 fell into the Italo-Gaulish branch and the other 3 into the ancestral nexus that separate this branch and the Ibero-Atlantic branch together from the rest of the tree. Basically that's what the original Maritime BB would have been: ZZ11.

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.
     
    Yes the steppe ancestry did eventually spread everywhere in Europe with later migrations. Celts, Romans, Germanic... I only write about the steppe ancestry being minimal in the early Maritime BB. Later BB descended populations got heavily admixed with the CWC or perhaps some Yamnaya descended populations that were rich in steppe ancestry. That led to Unetice folks and proto Celtic people, and Nordic Bronze Age and proto Germanic/Norse people. Of course Celts and Germans - Norse had as much steppe ancestry as the proto Balto-Slav had. There's no denying it. But it happened a thousand years later after the Maritime BB. And there's still a cline of steppe ancestry going East-West to this very day. Imagine how small this admixture must have been in the Iberian peninsula and the British Isles a long time ago, before the Celts, and after them (during the Migration Period), Germans, Norse and even Sarmatians and Alans contributed some to the westernmost Europe.

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?
     
    Yes we could, if considered the later migrations that I mentioned above and if we considered CWC and Yamnaya also distantly related through the original Mesolithic population of ancestral haplogroup R, the one if the Malta boy (found in Siberia). But CWC and Yamnaya Y haplogroups R1a and R1b are separated by thousands of years, with R1a having split first from Y haplogroup R.

    Hope you had the time to look into the Maritime BB migration article that I posted under the More tag. It's genetically illiterate, and it doesn't talk about that, but it is very interesting because it describes how the Maritime BB migrated in Europe along the coasts and into the riverways. It shows what populations they met along the way and where they settled. A nice summary, despite the fact that "pots are not people " and that looking into the haplogroups would have prevented them from writing that "CWC descended from Yamnaya".

    And just to be clear, I don't foment some anti-Beaker agenda on teh internets through posting long convoluted Y haplogroup rants that only a handful of people would ever read on UR. All that happened then, was normal to that period. People were tough unlike us weaklings.

    The BB were powerful warriors, great organizers and they undoubtedly benefitted the European gene pool greatly. They were brutal and domineering because they had the guts and the brains for that. Your probable ancestors were great people, but I am glad that my probable ancestors prevented them from going even further East. I like my genetic lineage and I am glad it survived. I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes...

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    Another interesting 2019 study on Iberian genetics I found yesterday, it shows no RM269 in Iberia until it is already present in Germany, towards the middle of the Beaker complex period (and this is only a single sample). Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

    Some commentary on the above study with clarification about the ‘two Beaker cultures’:

    https://adnaera.com/2019/03/15/the-genomic-history-of-the-iberian-peninsula-over-the-past-8000-years-olalde-et-al-2019/

    I can see there are competing theories about where RM269 originated, but evidence like this is likely why options other than an Iberian/NA origin are being argued for. It may not be clear where it came from.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Coconuts


    Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/
     

    Thanks. That's the study that motivated Sailer's post a couple of years ago.

    I haven't had the time to read it all yet (or the second link with a discussion of those results that you posted) but things are finally falling into place in my mind. A good example of AK's blog's usefulness as a source of information on multiple topics.

    Perhaps a good summary of the discussion we had in the previous thread could be this:

    - Both R1a and R1b have Paleolithic origins in the Eurasian steppes.
    - R1b came to Western Europe from that area, finally becoming predominant, while R1a rather expanded to Asia and Eastern Europe.
    - The Bell Beaker cultural phenomenon involved very limited genetic transfer from South to North.
    - However, R1b Beaker invaders with strong Steppe ancestry arrived in big numbers to the British Islands and replaced the pre-existing Y haplogroups.
    - Some centuries later a similar phenomenon (perhaps no longer associated with the Beaker culture, already present in Iberia) happened in the Iberian peninsula and people with strong Steppe ancestry -but not coming directly from the Steppe- equally made R1b predominant in Iberia, replacing almost all pre-existent male lineages.

    So Ivashka was right that timing is very important. It would be wrong to say that the Steppe people one day set in motion and swept Western Europe to its latest confines. It was a much more complex and long-lasting phenomenon but some details of Ivashka's Beaker expansion narrative are not supported by the latest research.

  418. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.
     
    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.
     
    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the 'New European' as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn't be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I've been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool, @S

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It’s an interesting question, and I don’t really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth’s biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn’t a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don’t have a coherent answer myself.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
     
    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Yahya, @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Prussian Land Owners we’re familiar with Slavs as near serfs.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @German_reader

    This Germanic attitude is not restricted to WW2. The Germans have underestimated the Slavs/Wends since the times of the Middle Age Baltic/Wendish Crusades. And this despite the Wendish Nikloting Mecklenburg princely House being one of the oldest (or perhaps currently the oldest) aristocratic family of Germany. Also despite Prussians being heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav and Pomeranians being mostly germanized Wends. Therefore, the German ethnic groups that contributed so much to uniting Germany were heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav. Some even assign to Luther himself a partly Wendish ancestry and of course Copernicus was of Wendish stock.

    The condescending German attitude is an interesting trait of national character. Probably based on psychological differences between the Balto-Slav and the Germanic populations. HBD really. Adaptation to a different way of living in a somewhat different environment. The condescending Germanic attitude, and the somewhat humorous or mocking Slav attitude in return goes back centuries, perhaps millenia. An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    My subjective opinion is that this way of seeing the other : Немец or Wend is going back very far in history and perhaps to prehistoric Europe. Our ancestors have always lived side by side and have known each other very well. Despite this lenghty co-existence they mostly stayed distinct and avoided intermixing. The history of Slav - Germanic interactions is long, complicated and painful. Juraj Krizhanic (Юрий Крижанич) has written at length about it in the seventeenth century already. I have posted an excerpt from his writings on one of the previous threads, but am too lazy to look for it right now.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

  419. Denmark set to prosecute former defense minister, because he revealed Danish cooperation with the NSA’s surveillance operations for “divulging state secrets”:
    https://apnews.com/article/politics-denmark-49bac780e26f1ff348d6c417df4beea0
    But of course those good Scandinavian democracies would never do something like helping the US to blow up pipelines, that’s totally unimaginable…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    Yes, this is what happens. No one should ever be surprised. It is not a secret. It is normal operating procedure and has been public knowledge since forever.

    France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls.

    Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “astonished” when Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was "deeply shocked" by the claims.

    “I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” he said in the interview. “You’d almost think our politicians don’t bother to read the reports they get from the intelligence services.”

    https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama

    Politicians obviously do know, but they love the catty geopolitical "confrontations" that they can spark up for a few good domestic headlines and some distraction from the boring job of trying to slightly increase economic growth, or slightly improve exam results.

  420. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It's an interesting question, and I don't really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth's biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn't a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don't have a coherent answer myself.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.

    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    “I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war,” Stalin said. “The most important things in this war are the machines…. The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.”

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    “If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war,” he wrote in his memoirs. “One-on-one against Hitler’s Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.”

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yahya

    On the other hand; Kurt von Hammerstein assessed that the Russian military would be able to withstand foreign aggression on its own:


    https://i.ibb.co/Vjtbd2C/40-C3-F789-4-C03-458-D-B9-B4-33-EB8-A30-D602.jpg


    So its possible the Soviet Union would’ve emerged victorious even without Western aid. But counterfactuals are hard to predict.

    , @German_reader
    @Yahya


    Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.
     
    Nor would Britain. I also very much doubt that Americans would have been willing to sacrifice millions of conscripts' lives in an attempt to destroy the Wehrmacht on their own, apart from the experience of the South in the Civil War there's nothing in American history that would have mentally prepared them for such an effort, and US infantry forces in WW2 were of pretty poor quality. That leaves some Deus ex machina like nuclear weapons, or some hyper-effective strategic bombing offensive. But without the war against the Soviets Germany would have been able to devote much greater resources to countering that; even as it was, Germany did have jet fighters and the first usable rockets by 1944 after all.
    And there's no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941...after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren't all that effective against them...) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler's remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock. As did the tenacity of the resistance, it was a common sentiment in Wehrmacht circles that this was a different, much harder kind of war than those in the West had been.
    Of course the Soviets made plenty of mistakes and were often quite poorly led (at least in the first stages of the war), but I cannot agree at all with the increasingly common view that the Soviet war effort wasn't all that important in comparison with the Anglo-Americans, imo this is purely driven by contemporary ideology.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    Stalin expected the British would switch sides and send in troops to support the Wehrmacht.

    His basic error was to see Hitler as a rational actor. “If Hitler invaded he’d be defeated” thought Stalin. This led to a smug complacency. Hitler was a gambler.

    Eventually though the British did switch to a purely Anti Russian stance. But it took decades to get to where we are now.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya


    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR.
     
    Hitler's strategic miscalculation was he thought Britain was a natural ally and would come around. If he had hooked up with Stalin everybody else would have been in deep doo doo. The British sector that fueled this distortion earned their salary for sure.

    Wouldn't you like to know the secret dope Hess had which kept him locked up in solitary confinement for thirty years? I know I would. If you look at a map for ten seconds it seems obvious the natural alliance is Germany-Russia. All the fighting might be 95% just to interfere with this.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  421. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    “Dissidents” surpass themselves. Figurehead with 200k+ followers claims that the war in Ukraine is fake, as in literally is not happening. Not at all. Is just computer graphics for domestic consumption. He’s not crazy, everyone else is crazy.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Major dissident journalist with 314k followers pipes in with argument along the same lines.

    The only reason these guys don't hold the reigns of power is because of some unfair conspiracy against them. They're not hysterical, everyone else is hysterical.



    https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1629263036367216645?t=x_607rLHaH5BNXKTv8M2Mw&s=19

    , @sudden death
    @Triteleia Laxa

    They should be deported to Bahmut right now, it's way easier to do than deport flatearthers to the Moon for the sake of watching round Earth from afar;)

  422. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
     
    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Yahya, @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard

    On the other hand; Kurt von Hammerstein assessed that the Russian military would be able to withstand foreign aggression on its own:

    So its possible the Soviet Union would’ve emerged victorious even without Western aid. But counterfactuals are hard to predict.

  423. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    Denmark set to prosecute former defense minister, because he revealed Danish cooperation with the NSA's surveillance operations for "divulging state secrets":
    https://apnews.com/article/politics-denmark-49bac780e26f1ff348d6c417df4beea0
    But of course those good Scandinavian democracies would never do something like helping the US to blow up pipelines, that's totally unimaginable...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, this is what happens. No one should ever be surprised. It is not a secret. It is normal operating procedure and has been public knowledge since forever.

    France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls.

    Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “astonished” when Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was “deeply shocked” by the claims.

    “I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” he said in the interview. “You’d almost think our politicians don’t bother to read the reports they get from the intelligence services.”

    https://www.france24.com/en/20131024-nsa-france-spying-squarcini-dcri-hollande-ayrault-merkel-usa-obama

    Politicians obviously do know, but they love the catty geopolitical “confrontations” that they can spark up for a few good domestic headlines and some distraction from the boring job of trying to slightly increase economic growth, or slightly improve exam results.

  424. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    "Dissidents" surpass themselves. Figurehead with 200k+ followers claims that the war in Ukraine is fake, as in literally is not happening. Not at all. Is just computer graphics for domestic consumption. He's not crazy, everyone else is crazy.



    https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1629187093820854272?t=a2aAldERv4C-UJIaYN6vIw&s=19

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @sudden death

    Major dissident journalist with 314k followers pipes in with argument along the same lines.

    The only reason these guys don’t hold the reigns of power is because of some unfair conspiracy against them. They’re not hysterical, everyone else is hysterical.

  425. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.
     
    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.
     
    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the 'New European' as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn't be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I've been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool, @S

    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Russians see Germans in a mostly humorous way. They actually mostly like the Germans, but they see them as too square/rational and somewhat stock up. There is a Russian saying: “a German ax will get stuck in Russian dough”. The mentality of both populations is very different, although they know each other well and sometimes even speak of each other appreciatively. It’s based on a very long period of interaction. They have been neighbors from the earliest times. If you’re interested, we can discuss it, but it is a very lenghty topic.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    I saw this joke a few days ago in a Sailer thread:

    Three men wrote books about elephants: a Frenchman, an American, and a German. The Frenchman’s book was entitled: The Mating and Feeding Habits of Elephants. The American’s was entitled: How to Build Bigger and Better Elephants. The German’s was a twelve volume set entitled: Preparation for the Study of Elephants.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    , @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    Unrelated to this, but did you read this article about the Chadic and Hausa people of Africa? It makes the case that their ancestors came to Africa from Iberia about 7,000 years ago (and not that R1b came to Western Europe from Africa):

    https://nemets.substack.com/p/the-sons-of-chad

    Interesting to imagine an ancient pre-desertified Sahara populated in part by people resembling and related to modern Sardinians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  426. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Russians see Germans in a mostly humorous way. They actually mostly like the Germans, but they see them as too square/rational and somewhat stock up. There is a Russian saying: "a German ax will get stuck in Russian dough". The mentality of both populations is very different, although they know each other well and sometimes even speak of each other appreciatively. It's based on a very long period of interaction. They have been neighbors from the earliest times. If you're interested, we can discuss it, but it is a very lenghty topic.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AP

    I saw this joke a few days ago in a Sailer thread:

    Three men wrote books about elephants: a Frenchman, an American, and a German. The Frenchman’s book was entitled: The Mating and Feeding Habits of Elephants. The American’s was entitled: How to Build Bigger and Better Elephants. The German’s was a twelve volume set entitled: Preparation for the Study of Elephants.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • LOL: AP
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    The English would write a book Shooting an Elephant.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situations (paralysis through analysis etc.). Also Russians see Germans as courageous, but they don't see them as brave.

    Of course conversely Germans see Slavs as too emotional, unstable, sloppy and lazy. Both points of view are valid to some extent, both populations know each other very well. They have been neighbors for millenia.

    As an amusing side anecdote, the current leader of the Russian democratic nationalist opposition is Roman Yuneman (Junemann) who is of Volga German descent on his father's side and Semirechyie Cossack descent on his mother's side. Looks like a very nice fellow. Has done a lot of good with the humanitarian aid in Donbass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society.Future

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/im-ready-to-go-to-prison-the-26-year-old-taking-on-russias-ruling-party-a74322

    If I was still living in Moscow, I would be voting for him and his party.

    Replies: @S

  427. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It's an interesting question, and I don't really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth's biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn't a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don't have a coherent answer myself.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Prussian Land Owners we’re familiar with Slavs as near serfs.

  428. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    I saw this joke a few days ago in a Sailer thread:

    Three men wrote books about elephants: a Frenchman, an American, and a German. The Frenchman’s book was entitled: The Mating and Feeding Habits of Elephants. The American’s was entitled: How to Build Bigger and Better Elephants. The German’s was a twelve volume set entitled: Preparation for the Study of Elephants.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    The English would write a book Shooting an Elephant.

  429. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
     
    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Yahya, @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Nor would Britain. I also very much doubt that Americans would have been willing to sacrifice millions of conscripts’ lives in an attempt to destroy the Wehrmacht on their own, apart from the experience of the South in the Civil War there’s nothing in American history that would have mentally prepared them for such an effort, and US infantry forces in WW2 were of pretty poor quality. That leaves some Deus ex machina like nuclear weapons, or some hyper-effective strategic bombing offensive. But without the war against the Soviets Germany would have been able to devote much greater resources to countering that; even as it was, Germany did have jet fighters and the first usable rockets by 1944 after all.
    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock. As did the tenacity of the resistance, it was a common sentiment in Wehrmacht circles that this was a different, much harder kind of war than those in the West had been.
    Of course the Soviets made plenty of mistakes and were often quite poorly led (at least in the first stages of the war), but I cannot agree at all with the increasingly common view that the Soviet war effort wasn’t all that important in comparison with the Anglo-Americans, imo this is purely driven by contemporary ideology.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader


    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock.
     
    It is all very understandable psychologically though - Hitler and Nazis had not one, but five succesful Crimeas in a row, then string of great purely military victories and became competely lightheaded because of this.

    Just look at Putin (and Karlin et al). prior 2022 Feb. as they managed to fry their brains completely just because of one Crimea and half of Donbass with Syria.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    It also ignores how significant sections of the Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Belgian and French populations welcomed fascism and agreed with Hitler. German wins were easy in the west because the Nat Soc were pushing at an open door. The early part of Barbarossa worked well because Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Ukies, Hungarians even some Poles didn’t really object to NatSoc. Almost No one had yet attempted to fight. The first ethnic population that fought back was the Greeks on Crete. They went at German paratroopers in 1941 like stoats on rats.

  430. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
     
    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Yahya, @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Stalin expected the British would switch sides and send in troops to support the Wehrmacht.

    His basic error was to see Hitler as a rational actor. “If Hitler invaded he’d be defeated” thought Stalin. This led to a smug complacency. Hitler was a gambler.

    Eventually though the British did switch to a purely Anti Russian stance. But it took decades to get to where we are now.

  431. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
    It's an interesting question, and I don't really have an answer for it. The puzzling thing about Hitler is of course that he had essentially zero real experience with Eastern Europe (apart from disliking Czechs in pre-war Vienna), he spent his entire WW1 on the Western front. Similarly with other leading Nazis like Himmler or Heydrich who were teenagers during WW1 (iirc from Robert Gerwarth's biography the latter had some limited contact with Russian pows during WW1 and even made some effort to learn Russian, but it wasn't a sustained interest). So for them it must have essentially been an ideological construct (though that still raises the question where and how that construct arose).
    On the other hand, some Nazi planners did have personal experience. Rosenberg obviously, and granted, his ideas were less braindead and unrealistic than those of other leading Nazis. But there was also Herbert Backe (a main proponent of Hungerplan, imo probably a bit of a misnomer, but Backe was certainly in favour of extremely ruthless economic exploitation and fine with killing millions through it), who had been born in Georgia to German immigrant parents and was detained as an enemy alien in WW1 Russia.
    Leading Wehrmacht generals are also interesting cases, because of the multitude of influences operating on them (traditionally somewhat pro-Russian attitudes, revived to a limited extent during 1939-1941, but also the memory of WW1 with events like the 1914 Russian invasion of East Prussia). Notably, some of them spoke Russian and had actually even spent time in the Soviet Union during the 1920s, while there was secret co-operation between Reichswehr and Red Army (e. g. the notorious Walther von Reichenau and Hermann Hoth).
    Anyway, sorry if that is a bit rambling, I just don't have a coherent answer myself.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    This Germanic attitude is not restricted to WW2. The Germans have underestimated the Slavs/Wends since the times of the Middle Age Baltic/Wendish Crusades. And this despite the Wendish Nikloting Mecklenburg princely House being one of the oldest (or perhaps currently the oldest) aristocratic family of Germany. Also despite Prussians being heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav and Pomeranians being mostly germanized Wends. Therefore, the German ethnic groups that contributed so much to uniting Germany were heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav. Some even assign to Luther himself a partly Wendish ancestry and of course Copernicus was of Wendish stock.

    The condescending German attitude is an interesting trait of national character. Probably based on psychological differences between the Balto-Slav and the Germanic populations. HBD really. Adaptation to a different way of living in a somewhat different environment. The condescending Germanic attitude, and the somewhat humorous or mocking Slav attitude in return goes back centuries, perhaps millenia. An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    My subjective opinion is that this way of seeing the other : Немец or Wend is going back very far in history and perhaps to prehistoric Europe. Our ancestors have always lived side by side and have known each other very well. Despite this lenghty co-existence they mostly stayed distinct and avoided intermixing. The history of Slav – Germanic interactions is long, complicated and painful. Juraj Krizhanic (Юрий Крижанич) has written at length about it in the seventeenth century already. I have posted an excerpt from his writings on one of the previous threads, but am too lazy to look for it right now.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    We have agreed last time that "Wends' is a German name for Slavs. But you seem to prefer it to "Slavs" because of...?

    So Copernicus according to you was Polish, Wendo-Baltic, or German...?


    An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.
     
    I think Slavs more than maybe other people are under foreign [genetic] influences who perhaps push these lands to conflict, with the help of secret societies and secret services. Look at the Polish president Duda - he would be more eager to lead Poland into war with Russia than Kaczynski, but on the other hand he is much more pro-EU than Kaczynski, being the main blocker of some PiS reforms in Poland. And yet Duda is of Goralenvolk, namely Vlach, and Vlachs are mostly mixture of J2/R1b/I2 people.

    BTW, you have similar setup in Israel now, where opposition to the judicial reforms is consolidating around the Israeli president.

    Overall you should maybe read less gnostic stuff and more Biblical exegesis, for example this quote, and ponder what it really means. Hint: it is a reverse of the parable of wheat and tares from Matthew

    Ruth 1:16 And Ruth said: “Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee; for whither thou goest, I will go, and where thou lodgest, I will lodge. Thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don't care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don't have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one - communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation
     
    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of "Russian soul", which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It's very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @Another Polish Perspective, @Coconuts

  432. @Triteleia Laxa
    "Dissidents" surpass themselves. Figurehead with 200k+ followers claims that the war in Ukraine is fake, as in literally is not happening. Not at all. Is just computer graphics for domestic consumption. He's not crazy, everyone else is crazy.



    https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1629187093820854272?t=a2aAldERv4C-UJIaYN6vIw&s=19

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @sudden death

    They should be deported to Bahmut right now, it’s way easier to do than deport flatearthers to the Moon for the sake of watching round Earth from afar;)

  433. German_reader says:

    What does it mean when a cow is nicer than a woman? – You are in Germany!”

    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.
     
    Strange, gratuitously insulting MENA and African people; for a Western joke which originated in a German website.

    I think the “nicer” was a reference to personality, not appearance. But here is the website link; you go take your complaints to them, Sauerkraut: https://www.andinet.de/en/funny/jokes/germany_jokes.html

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  434. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    I saw this joke a few days ago in a Sailer thread:

    Three men wrote books about elephants: a Frenchman, an American, and a German. The Frenchman’s book was entitled: The Mating and Feeding Habits of Elephants. The American’s was entitled: How to Build Bigger and Better Elephants. The German’s was a twelve volume set entitled: Preparation for the Study of Elephants.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situations (paralysis through analysis etc.). Also Russians see Germans as courageous, but they don’t see them as brave.

    Of course conversely Germans see Slavs as too emotional, unstable, sloppy and lazy. Both points of view are valid to some extent, both populations know each other very well. They have been neighbors for millenia.

    As an amusing side anecdote, the current leader of the Russian democratic nationalist opposition is Roman Yuneman (Junemann) who is of Volga German descent on his father’s side and Semirechyie Cossack descent on his mother’s side. Looks like a very nice fellow. Has done a lot of good with the humanitarian aid in Donbass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society.Future

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/im-ready-to-go-to-prison-the-26-year-old-taking-on-russias-ruling-party-a74322

    If I was still living in Moscow, I would be voting for him and his party.

    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational..
     
    I believe it was Stalin that said that if there was a stop sign along a barren track with no one else around for miles, the German army would still stop when it came to the sign.

    Have also heard similar accounts as you describe of Slavs at times being very up/down emotionally.
  435. @German_reader
    @Yahya


    Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.
     
    Nor would Britain. I also very much doubt that Americans would have been willing to sacrifice millions of conscripts' lives in an attempt to destroy the Wehrmacht on their own, apart from the experience of the South in the Civil War there's nothing in American history that would have mentally prepared them for such an effort, and US infantry forces in WW2 were of pretty poor quality. That leaves some Deus ex machina like nuclear weapons, or some hyper-effective strategic bombing offensive. But without the war against the Soviets Germany would have been able to devote much greater resources to countering that; even as it was, Germany did have jet fighters and the first usable rockets by 1944 after all.
    And there's no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941...after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren't all that effective against them...) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler's remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock. As did the tenacity of the resistance, it was a common sentiment in Wehrmacht circles that this was a different, much harder kind of war than those in the West had been.
    Of course the Soviets made plenty of mistakes and were often quite poorly led (at least in the first stages of the war), but I cannot agree at all with the increasingly common view that the Soviet war effort wasn't all that important in comparison with the Anglo-Americans, imo this is purely driven by contemporary ideology.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock.

    It is all very understandable psychologically though – Hitler and Nazis had not one, but five succesful Crimeas in a row, then string of great purely military victories and became competely lightheaded because of this.

    Just look at Putin (and Karlin et al). prior 2022 Feb. as they managed to fry their brains completely just because of one Crimea and half of Donbass with Syria.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @sudden death

    It was either attack the Soviets or lose the war to the UK and Hitler understood that better than anyone else.

  436. @Europe Europa
    @AP

    If Russia withdrew from Ukraine I imagine it would all be forgotten in a month, and normal economic ties resumed. It's incredible how few Western companies have left Russia even with the ongoing invasion and that they are still allowed a platform at the UN. They really have got off incredibly lightly.

    Westerners are not very vengeful contrarian to Russian claims. I find most British and Americans uncommitted, ideologically vague and more than a bit cowardly. Hence Russia is able to run rings around the West despite not having particularly intelligent leadership themselves.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Nah the US would start to sponsor Mongol separatists. More money to spend on Chechen separatists.

  437. @German_reader
    @Yahya


    Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.
     
    Nor would Britain. I also very much doubt that Americans would have been willing to sacrifice millions of conscripts' lives in an attempt to destroy the Wehrmacht on their own, apart from the experience of the South in the Civil War there's nothing in American history that would have mentally prepared them for such an effort, and US infantry forces in WW2 were of pretty poor quality. That leaves some Deus ex machina like nuclear weapons, or some hyper-effective strategic bombing offensive. But without the war against the Soviets Germany would have been able to devote much greater resources to countering that; even as it was, Germany did have jet fighters and the first usable rockets by 1944 after all.
    And there's no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941...after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren't all that effective against them...) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler's remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock. As did the tenacity of the resistance, it was a common sentiment in Wehrmacht circles that this was a different, much harder kind of war than those in the West had been.
    Of course the Soviets made plenty of mistakes and were often quite poorly led (at least in the first stages of the war), but I cannot agree at all with the increasingly common view that the Soviet war effort wasn't all that important in comparison with the Anglo-Americans, imo this is purely driven by contemporary ideology.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke

    It also ignores how significant sections of the Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Belgian and French populations welcomed fascism and agreed with Hitler. German wins were easy in the west because the Nat Soc were pushing at an open door. The early part of Barbarossa worked well because Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians, Ukies, Hungarians even some Poles didn’t really object to NatSoc. Almost No one had yet attempted to fight. The first ethnic population that fought back was the Greeks on Crete. They went at German paratroopers in 1941 like stoats on rats.

  438. @Yevardian
    @A123

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn't the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans... Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Everyone, the mystery is cleared. It wasn’t the Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, or Americans… Nordstream was blown up Islamist members of the Open Society Foundation.

    An accident is still the most plausible explanation.

    The European WEF wants open borders. George IslamoSoros and his Open [Muslim] Society Foundation are integral to the anti-Christian WEF. Ukie Maximalist aggression predictably yielded migration. If it turns out to be a sabotage, then you present a credible potential actor to be analyzed.

    🇺🇦🇵🇸 IslamoGloboHomo 🇵🇸🇺🇦 blowing up Nordstream makes much more sense that the U.S.

    PEACE 😇

  439. @Ivashka the fool
    @German_reader

    This Germanic attitude is not restricted to WW2. The Germans have underestimated the Slavs/Wends since the times of the Middle Age Baltic/Wendish Crusades. And this despite the Wendish Nikloting Mecklenburg princely House being one of the oldest (or perhaps currently the oldest) aristocratic family of Germany. Also despite Prussians being heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav and Pomeranians being mostly germanized Wends. Therefore, the German ethnic groups that contributed so much to uniting Germany were heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav. Some even assign to Luther himself a partly Wendish ancestry and of course Copernicus was of Wendish stock.

    The condescending German attitude is an interesting trait of national character. Probably based on psychological differences between the Balto-Slav and the Germanic populations. HBD really. Adaptation to a different way of living in a somewhat different environment. The condescending Germanic attitude, and the somewhat humorous or mocking Slav attitude in return goes back centuries, perhaps millenia. An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    My subjective opinion is that this way of seeing the other : Немец or Wend is going back very far in history and perhaps to prehistoric Europe. Our ancestors have always lived side by side and have known each other very well. Despite this lenghty co-existence they mostly stayed distinct and avoided intermixing. The history of Slav - Germanic interactions is long, complicated and painful. Juraj Krizhanic (Юрий Крижанич) has written at length about it in the seventeenth century already. I have posted an excerpt from his writings on one of the previous threads, but am too lazy to look for it right now.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    We have agreed last time that “Wends’ is a German name for Slavs. But you seem to prefer it to “Slavs” because of…?

    So Copernicus according to you was Polish, Wendo-Baltic, or German…?

    An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    I think Slavs more than maybe other people are under foreign [genetic] influences who perhaps push these lands to conflict, with the help of secret societies and secret services. Look at the Polish president Duda – he would be more eager to lead Poland into war with Russia than Kaczynski, but on the other hand he is much more pro-EU than Kaczynski, being the main blocker of some PiS reforms in Poland. And yet Duda is of Goralenvolk, namely Vlach, and Vlachs are mostly mixture of J2/R1b/I2 people.

    BTW, you have similar setup in Israel now, where opposition to the judicial reforms is consolidating around the Israeli president.

    Overall you should maybe read less gnostic stuff and more Biblical exegesis, for example this quote, and ponder what it really means. Hint: it is a reverse of the parable of wheat and tares from Matthew

    Ruth 1:16 And Ruth said: “Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee; for whither thou goest, I will go, and where thou lodgest, I will lodge. Thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective

    In the previous open thread you had claimed that Ukrainians were closest to Moldovans. They are indeed rather close (Moldovans appear to be a mixture of Romanians and Ukrainians) but Ukrainians are much closer to Belarusians and Slovaks than they are to Moldovans, at least by Y haplogroup distributions:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  440. @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack


    Obviously you know a lot about these two guys and their dealings.
     
    Actually I don't. I just know that they knew each other and worked together, I think they were both from Odessa. They both had an ultra nationalist ideology that sort of fused Fascism and humanism, and they both seemed equally oblivious about the contradictions between the two. They were both intellectuals. They both seemed to view the other's national cause as similar to their own because both involved a large degree of state/nation building.

    I know that Jabotinsky took a lot of flack for working with Petliura because Petliura was widely seen as an antisemite, but Jabootinsky always strongly defended Petliura and insisted that that was not the case. Like I said above, I had always just assumed that they were close friends but maybe they weren't, I'm not sure.

    Replies: @AP

    Petliura was close personal friends with the Jew Arnold Margolin who was a frequent guest at Petliura’s house. Secular Zionism was influenced by Ukrainian nationalism. In Galicia, Ukrainian nationalists and Jews cooperated before the 1930s (both were opposed to Polish nationalists and friendly with Vienna). There was even an all-Jewish unit in the Ukrainian Galician Army:

    http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CJ%5CE%5CJewishBattalionoftheUkrainianGalicianArmy.htm

    The relationship between Jewish and Ukrainian nationalists changed in the 1920s and 1930s. The Bolshevik-supported Schwartzbard’s assassination of Petliura contributed to this. In Galicia, Jews made peace with the anti-Ukrainian Polish nationalists, while and Ukrainians turned to Germany.

  441. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    Since visiting Easter Europe I’ve been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.
     
    Russians see Germans in a mostly humorous way. They actually mostly like the Germans, but they see them as too square/rational and somewhat stock up. There is a Russian saying: "a German ax will get stuck in Russian dough". The mentality of both populations is very different, although they know each other well and sometimes even speak of each other appreciatively. It's based on a very long period of interaction. They have been neighbors from the earliest times. If you're interested, we can discuss it, but it is a very lenghty topic.

    Replies: @Yahya, @AP

    Unrelated to this, but did you read this article about the Chadic and Hausa people of Africa? It makes the case that their ancestors came to Africa from Iberia about 7,000 years ago (and not that R1b came to Western Europe from Africa):

    https://nemets.substack.com/p/the-sons-of-chad

    Interesting to imagine an ancient pre-desertified Sahara populated in part by people resembling and related to modern Sardinians.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    A very good article. I always thought that the R1b V88 pastoralists have arrived into the Sahel through the southern route via the Caucasus and the Levant. Perhaps I should reconsider. I also find puzzling his lack of mention of the proto-Berber Capsian population, although he had mentioned the Iberomaurusian population that has been absorbed by the Capsian-derived Berber.

    The light skinned people he writes about in the Saharan rock art are most probably the Southern Y haplogroup E proto-Berber pastoralists who had adapted to the desertic environment. These populations are directly derived from the first sedentary human population the Natufians they would have been in the Maghreb in the R1b V88 migration times if he is right.

    Finally, he writes that (local ?) bovines have been domesticated in Africa, however I have always read that there were two focal points of cattle domestication : Anatolia and India. A good read overall. Might help explain how the Maritime BB also got to Maghreb. Perhaps another group of Y haplogroup R1a folks crossing Gibraltar in low numbers but adapting to maritime lifestyle instead of bovine herding pastoralism.

    Have read that there were at least three major back to Africa migrations from Eurasia. Would've to look into it.

    Thanks!

  442. Juraj Krizhanic writing in the seventeenth century about Slavdom decadence and foreign influences:

    Foreigners infiltrate and truly flood our kingdoms under the guise of trade, craft, military service and piety. They come to us [together] with their wives, but they do not find their way back. So, coming to us and moving in, the Germans pushed us from entire countries: from Moravia, from Pomerania, from Silesia, from Prussia. In the Czech land, there are already few Slavs left in the large cities. And among the Poles, all the cities are full of Germans, Gypsies, Scots, Jews, Armenians and Italians, so that in many cities there are more foreigners than our own people, and our people do not find a place for themselves in these cities.

    Our cities are full of foreigners, and we are their lackeys. For for them we cultivate the land and wage wars for their benefit, so that they sit idle in cities, in stone mansions, and feast, and call us pigs and dogs.

    It is absolutely clear and not a secret to anyone that foreigners have completely taken over feom the Poles all the gold and silver, and eat all the fruits, and [drink all] the juices of this land. And the Poles at home beg for alms from their guests, beg them lowly, bow to them and die before their eyes from hunger and shame.

    And what is being done here in Rus’? Foreign merchants – Germans, Greeks, Bukharians – rake in the wealth and income of this entire kingdom. Everywhere they keep warehouses with goods and farming, and all sorts of crafts and deeds. They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things. And finally, being cunning, they deceive our merchants for large sums of money.

    In troubled times, foreigners take away their goods and money from us, and thereby generate high prices in the country, [and] those who can, leave themselves; reveal our secrets; are easily betraying, go over to enemies, and offend us in many ways.

    When these merchants and craftsmen in any city become so prolific and multiply that they become strong enough, then they will drive our people out of the city or kill [them], strengthen the city and become sovereign masters to our shame and loss. So they did in Gdansk, in Torun, in Riga and in some Russian cities, and the Saxons [achieved this] in Hungary, and in all Bohemia, and in Pomerania, and in other places. And especially where there were places convenient for trade, the Germans took away all these places, both piers and markets. And everywhere they [pushed] us away from the sea and from large navigable rivers [and] drove us into a wide field to plow the earth.

    Machine translated with minor corrections.

    http://hrono.ru/libris/lib_k/krizh16.php

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    This is the key here in the text of Juraj Krizhanic:


    They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things.
     
    Except those things are not perceived as "useless". Replace "pearls & Venetian glass" with Mercedes, Siemens, Roche & Bayer, IKEA, L'Oreal... etc, etc, and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas. This is the crux of the matter. Until this is solved, there is no point in lamenting.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  443. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    We have agreed last time that "Wends' is a German name for Slavs. But you seem to prefer it to "Slavs" because of...?

    So Copernicus according to you was Polish, Wendo-Baltic, or German...?


    An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.
     
    I think Slavs more than maybe other people are under foreign [genetic] influences who perhaps push these lands to conflict, with the help of secret societies and secret services. Look at the Polish president Duda - he would be more eager to lead Poland into war with Russia than Kaczynski, but on the other hand he is much more pro-EU than Kaczynski, being the main blocker of some PiS reforms in Poland. And yet Duda is of Goralenvolk, namely Vlach, and Vlachs are mostly mixture of J2/R1b/I2 people.

    BTW, you have similar setup in Israel now, where opposition to the judicial reforms is consolidating around the Israeli president.

    Overall you should maybe read less gnostic stuff and more Biblical exegesis, for example this quote, and ponder what it really means. Hint: it is a reverse of the parable of wheat and tares from Matthew

    Ruth 1:16 And Ruth said: “Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee; for whither thou goest, I will go, and where thou lodgest, I will lodge. Thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God.

    Replies: @AP

    In the previous open thread you had claimed that Ukrainians were closest to Moldovans. They are indeed rather close (Moldovans appear to be a mixture of Romanians and Ukrainians) but Ukrainians are much closer to Belarusians and Slovaks than they are to Moldovans, at least by Y haplogroup distributions:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    The differences are small; there is fewer I2 in Slovakia and more R1b than in Ukraine. But my focus was on I2 presence as their significant presence somehow correlates with civil wars; indeed, the situation in Moldova is heating up.

    As for Slovakia, it has certain political similarities to Ukraine, presidential/prime minister office generating much controversy in both countries, in terms of Slovakia I meant Vladimir Meciar and Robert Fico.

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    Replies: @AP

  444. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective

    In the previous open thread you had claimed that Ukrainians were closest to Moldovans. They are indeed rather close (Moldovans appear to be a mixture of Romanians and Ukrainians) but Ukrainians are much closer to Belarusians and Slovaks than they are to Moldovans, at least by Y haplogroup distributions:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups.shtml

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    The differences are small; there is fewer I2 in Slovakia and more R1b than in Ukraine. But my focus was on I2 presence as their significant presence somehow correlates with civil wars; indeed, the situation in Moldova is heating up.

    As for Slovakia, it has certain political similarities to Ukraine, presidential/prime minister office generating much controversy in both countries, in terms of Slovakia I meant Vladimir Meciar and Robert Fico.

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.
     
    Just to clarify: since the populations have been mixed over thousands of years it is not that there are are discrete I or R1a men in these countries but rather different proportions of ancestry in each person from that population, with Belarusians and Ukrainians having much more I ancestry than Poles (I am not claiming that you are mistaken, just clarifying).

    In terms of I ancestry, it’s:

    Romania: 34%
    Moldova: 29%

    Ukraine: 25.5%
    Belarus: 24%
    Slovakia: 24%

    Poland: 17%
    Russia: 15.5%

    But in terms of R1a it’s:

    Poland: 57.5%

    Belarus: 51%

    Russia: 46%
    Ukraine: 44%
    Slovakia: 41.5%

    Moldova: 30.5%

    Romania: 18%

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow

  445. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack


    Tsar Alexander III’s and his well known hatred of the Jews cannot be swept under the rug:
     
    I doubt the Tsar hated the Jews. He just didn't cave in to the Jewish international finance circles pressuring him to allow an unlimited migration of Jews from the Pale of Settlement and into the main Great Russian cities.



    Regarding the Black Hundreds' pogroms, you should read Solzhenitsin and even better Galkovsky to understand the dynamics. It were the early symptoms of the coming Revolution and Civil War. The Jewry in and outside Russian Empire supported the Revolution financially, through propaganda, and by sending weapons to the Socialist Boiyeviki militias. In Odessa, in 1905 the militias were better armed than the cops and way better armed and organized than the Black Hundreds.

    The Imperial government tried to change the legislation and equalize the status of all citizens including the inorodcy , and it (unfortunately) denied any substantial support to the Russian nationalists. Imperial government adopted a policy of appeasement towards the diasporas.

    One of the reasons of the lukewarm relationship between the Black Hundreds, the Russian Popular Union of Archangel Michael, and the Imperial elite, was due to a substantial proportion of the Imperial bureaucracy and higher bourgeoisie being Ostsee Germans from the Baltic nobility, or Polish.

    Russian nationalists decried the privileges of the ethnic minorities, not only Ostsee Germans and German colonists in Novorossya and the Volga region, but also Armenians in the Krasnodar region. They acted in defense of the ethnic Russian bourgeoisie in its competition against different diasporas and foreign influences. They also supported the emancipation of the Russian peasantry and were mostly Slavophile and deeply devout Orthodox Christians.

    I personally think Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.

    the rumors that Jews had been involved in the assassination of his father Tsar Alexander II
     
    Rumors ?

    The proportion of Jewish militants in the Socialist terrorist organizations was an order of magnitude higher than their proportion in the Empire's population. Of course, Russian saw the Jewry as an hostile force. Especially with the support it received from abroad, mainly UK and USA. The Revolution has proven right those who saw Russian Empire's Jewry as a mainly destructive force. With only a few exceptions, the Jews of the Empire jumped on the revolutionary bandwagon and committed atrocities against the ethnic Slavs and especially Cossacks that dwarf the pogroms in both scope and intensity. The Jewish Comissar cliché was not a Nazi invention, it was real.

    History has proven early Russian ethnic nationalists right. Just like it will probably prove right Russian ethnic nationalists and national democrats right in RusFed in the near future. Unfortunately, the intellectuals and the elites rejected the Black Hundreds and the present day Russian nationalists. And they ended up paying the price, just like they would probably end up paying the price of Russian people's betrayal in RusFed too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You provide an adequate summation of how and why the Black Hundreds were opposed to Jewish militants, but to state that the”Black Hundreds did nothing wrong.” is going a bit too far. Their actions against Ukrainians and their cultural expression, within Ukraine, was reprehensible and could serve as a blueprint for the type of Great Russian chauvinism that I’ve grown to despise and that seems to thrive within Putler’s thought process and his invasion of Ukraine today. 🙁

    The Black Hundreds classified Ukrainians as Russians,[14] and attracted the support of many “Moscowphiles” who considered themselves Russian and rejected Ukrainian nationalism and identity.[15] The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.[16] In Odessa, the Black Hundreds shut down the local branch of the Ukrainian Prosvita society, an organization that was dedicated to spreading literacy in the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian cultural awareness.[15]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?
     
    STOP insulting Ukraine you disrespectful butch dyke. Everybody knows Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history. There are 2 types of Ukrainianism - a circus act, and the severe psychiatric illness.

    Taras Shevchenko, the filthy smelling, alcoholic, not even top 300 Russian world+ Soviet writers......was one of the finest exponents of the circus act Ukrainianism

    Anyway SO WHAT about Kobzar you idiot?There is NOTHING in that or his other works calling for separation from Russia. His inferiority complex based on his low social status and general dickheadness is what drives his insults to the central authority and NOT any idea of separate peoples or the end of Russian empire. He would be on Mirotvorets list and probably arrested in Banderastan now for the beliefs he had then you retard.

    Shevchenko HATED Uniate freaks, and did not view them as the same people, the same ethnicity

    Shevchenko NEVER called himself "Ukrainian", never considered that he wrote in "Ukrainian", he was always a Russian or Malorossiyan ( a subset of Russian) who wrote his poems in Malorossiyan or south Russian dialect.

    Absolutely zero doubt that he considered Galicia and Volynia and Bukovina etc as SEPARATE lands with separate people to him - the complete opposite of his view of Malorossiya to Velikorossiya. He never considered there to be some functional land called "Ukraine", always used "na" ( forget about Mirotvorets - its bullet in the head for him in modern Banderastan, just for that alone, LOL)

    He wrote his diary in RUSSIAN (lmao) you retarded idiot.......so the language he thought, spoke, and wrote in of this "Ukrainian" "hero"......was Russian. All his stories in Russian - because Ukronazi "language" is a fake

    To make this freakshow even worse, his modern popularity in 404 is entirely because of.........the Soviets who overhailed, promoted and taught Shevchenko and tried to make him some part of ukronazi "national consciousness". Some Austrian and Polish scum financed some marginal, single-digit freak ukrop "intelligentsia" in late 19th century to praise him........but he was almost completely unknown in lands of 404 until Soviets got to work .


    So there is nothing "Ukrainian nationalist" about him - but here is my main point, he was entirely of the Russian world, created of the Russian world - just like everything in "ukraine" - next to NOTHING comes from the Austrian/Polish side. As Putin said in his masterful essay on unity of Russian and Ukrainians........"ukrainian" culture only developed when united with Russia.

    It's a complete nonsensical contradiction and failure without Russia.....just look at Gogol, West "Ukrainian" diaspora faggots like you are too coward to call him "Hohol", but the greatest Malorossiyan , one of the greatest Russian writers, main character of probably his greatest work ,Taras Bulba, is clearly stated as a PATRIOT OF RUSSIA, fighting for Russia!!!! Modern Ukrainian ideology is just prostitution to Polish scum.......which is amusing because Taras Bulba is harder to obtain book of in Poland - than Mein Kempf is to get in Israel!!! and the book is completely against "state security and sovereignity of Ukraine" in the fkedup idiot world of ukronazism, without severe edits to the book.

    Imagine being so pathetic and having nothing positive to show, that Shevchenko has to be used as a symbol of your fake "national identity", when he has nothing to do with it??!!! Or Kobzar is viewed as important just because it has some anti-Russianisms in it ( the only ideology of 404) and nothing about "Ukraine" in it

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

  446. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    We might see it as an “Atlantic Civilization” vs the “Eurasian Civilization” of the Slav. I see the Germans as decidedly Western too, but different from the Atlantic Europeans further West.
     
    In general, I would agree. I think the West has a bigger internal division because of the Germanic/Latin & Northern Europe/Med split, whereas the Slavic world is more unified linguistically. But in more recent times, say since the rise of the US led Western political block after WW2, the significance of this has probably been diminishing. Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    In fact, it would have been Germans who should have united Europe and bridged the divide between the Atlantic and Eurasian parts of the Y haplogroup R people. Unfortunately, Germany failed in that role. Not least because they despised the Slav and underestimated them.
     
    There is a memorable little book by Drieu La Rochelle from 1939-40 where he imagines the 'New European' as a mixture of German, Russian and American, if this New European man couldn't be created he thought Europe would sink into impotence and onanism. He seems to have worked by intuition and extrapolating from his own life but his ideas seem to have a weird prescience looked at from the present.

    Since visiting Easter Europe I've been curious about why and how the Germans underestimated Slavs in that way.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool, @S

    Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.

    Please take this as constructive criticism and nothing more.

    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.

    If you feel as an individual that you wish to give up and surrender, that is a terrible thing, certainly. It is your affair, however, and no one can stop you.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.

    It would be the same difference if you were part of a group which became infected by an often fatal plague. If you as an individual happened to die from it, that would be terrible, certainly.
    However, you wouldn’t have the right to make the decision for everyone else that they die from it as well.

    You should hope instead, for the many obvious reasons, that your compatriots surprise you and find a way to survive, and live.

    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism, I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them. 🙁

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @S


    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.
     
    Afaik what I wrote is just a demographic fact. It is 'baked in' now just from birth rates and maintaining any level of immigration. The only way it would change would involve zero immigration in the future and deportations.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.
     
    I agree with Leaves No Shadow on this point. In most cases the populations of these countries have chosen this path. In Britain the younger and more active parts of the population are making their commitment, even enthusiasm for it clear. There is authority behind it.

    I did not choose this.


    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism...
     
    I will provide you with some constructive criticism:

    Your posts on Karlin Unz forum are not going to save Europe.


    I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them.
     
    I don't generally read yours either. I thought we just have different interests.
  447. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?
     
    Yes and he was routinely derided as “Nasser’s black poodle” until he became president; after which Egyptians promptly sealed their mouths. Racism is complicated. My experience is that Egyptians are accepting of mulattos; but will still subject them to derogatory insults; mostly in good nature, but sometimes not. Sudanese and Somali people are already 30-50% genetically Semit0-Caucasian; so the hybrids are 60-70%+ Middle Eastern. Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object. That’s pretty much what happens irl:

    https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1628585306621644806?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    It’s a bit cruel though. It may be a deterrent to migration; but I’d just prefer a strict immigration enforcement regime; and Saudi-style citizenship laws. OTOH, its good that Egyptians are based re blacks; even in the upper segments of society.



    https://twitter.com/rana_eroda/status/1628649069756268545?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles? Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles?
     
    No. They are generally well-behaved, perhaps owing to the influence of Islam. Same thing for Africans in Saudi Arabia. The homicide rate in Egypt is 2.6 and in Saudi Arabia 0.8; which is in line with most normal countries (US its 6.5); despite the Afro population being roughly comparable to US.

    Egyptians do a good job of destroying Cairo. We don’t need African help :)


    Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.
     
    Agree.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  448. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Probably more correct to say they underestimated Russians (and other Soviet peoples). Sure, Poles resisted to a significant degree, but that would have been eventually suppressed quite easily without German defeat in the Soviet Union.
     
    I think it’s more accurate to say the Germans underestimated Western willingness to aid the USSR; rather than the USSR itself. Soviet’s wouldn’t have been able to defeat Germany on their own.

    Strain’s words:

    "I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."

    Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.

    "If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR. A reasonable assumption given American anti-communism and Churchills remarks on “foul baboonery” of Bolshevism.

    Replies: @Yahya, @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR.

    Hitler’s strategic miscalculation was he thought Britain was a natural ally and would come around. If he had hooked up with Stalin everybody else would have been in deep doo doo. The British sector that fueled this distortion earned their salary for sure.

    Wouldn’t you like to know the secret dope Hess had which kept him locked up in solitary confinement for thirty years? I know I would. If you look at a map for ten seconds it seems obvious the natural alliance is Germany-Russia. All the fighting might be 95% just to interfere with this.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes. I concur. The cooperation between Weimar Germany and early USSR was quite important on both the military and industrial grounds. The British intervened through financial diktat to stop an even greater cooperation from happening. Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid. When the Hitler and Stalin attempted a reconciliation, the British worked with both sides to prevent it. Fursov writes about it all.

    https://brightonbeachnews.com/rus/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/USSR-Germany-London-ww2-propaganda.jpg

    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain. The opposite has happened.

    Replies: @S

  449. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    French Jury was full of kikes though.

    Not to my knowledge. You don’t need to be a Jew to wish a militant Ukie nationalist dead.

    Besides, jury decision has to be unanimous. Otherwise it’s hung jury = mistrial.

  450. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    Unrelated to this, but did you read this article about the Chadic and Hausa people of Africa? It makes the case that their ancestors came to Africa from Iberia about 7,000 years ago (and not that R1b came to Western Europe from Africa):

    https://nemets.substack.com/p/the-sons-of-chad

    Interesting to imagine an ancient pre-desertified Sahara populated in part by people resembling and related to modern Sardinians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    A very good article. I always thought that the R1b V88 pastoralists have arrived into the Sahel through the southern route via the Caucasus and the Levant. Perhaps I should reconsider. I also find puzzling his lack of mention of the proto-Berber Capsian population, although he had mentioned the Iberomaurusian population that has been absorbed by the Capsian-derived Berber.

    The light skinned people he writes about in the Saharan rock art are most probably the Southern Y haplogroup E proto-Berber pastoralists who had adapted to the desertic environment. These populations are directly derived from the first sedentary human population the Natufians they would have been in the Maghreb in the R1b V88 migration times if he is right.

    Finally, he writes that (local ?) bovines have been domesticated in Africa, however I have always read that there were two focal points of cattle domestication : Anatolia and India. A good read overall. Might help explain how the Maritime BB also got to Maghreb. Perhaps another group of Y haplogroup R1a folks crossing Gibraltar in low numbers but adapting to maritime lifestyle instead of bovine herding pastoralism.

    Have read that there were at least three major back to Africa migrations from Eurasia. Would’ve to look into it.

    Thanks!

  451. @German_reader
    @Wokechoke


    Maybe a device was found, and not made public.
     
    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Sweden has refused to share the results of its investigation, draw your own conclusions.

    Several countries, all proclaiming themselves to be advanced and capable, presumably investigate. The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”. Who do you think that might be? Burkina Faso? Papua-New Guinea? Space aliens?

  452. The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”.

    You left out the most plausible explanation.

    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don't want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    You left out the most plausible explanation.
    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.
     
    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
    Other hypotheses?

    Replies: @A123

  453. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya


    Probably the Germans were hoping Britain and America would not help the USSR.
     
    Hitler's strategic miscalculation was he thought Britain was a natural ally and would come around. If he had hooked up with Stalin everybody else would have been in deep doo doo. The British sector that fueled this distortion earned their salary for sure.

    Wouldn't you like to know the secret dope Hess had which kept him locked up in solitary confinement for thirty years? I know I would. If you look at a map for ten seconds it seems obvious the natural alliance is Germany-Russia. All the fighting might be 95% just to interfere with this.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yes. I concur. The cooperation between Weimar Germany and early USSR was quite important on both the military and industrial grounds. The British intervened through financial diktat to stop an even greater cooperation from happening. Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid. When the Hitler and Stalin attempted a reconciliation, the British worked with both sides to prevent it. Fursov writes about it all.

    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain. The opposite has happened.

    • LOL: LondonBob
    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain.
     
    That's a rare poster if there ever was one. :-)

    Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid.
     
    Sure, some big profits were made off the Great Depression, buying up foreclosed properties, valuable stocks, etc, for pennies on the dollar. I do think, however, that the primary point of the global Depression may well have been specifically to catapult Hitler into power in Germany, as he was having some difficulties advancing his cause, and, as the US/UK wanted him in there.

    The effectively blacklisted, and somewhat prophetic, 1853 New Rome book, speaks about how once a future rapprochement takes place between the US and UK, the reunited US/UK, the new 'Anglo-Saxon Empire' as the book calls it, will move against Germany.



    Continental Europe's center of power, Germany, is very important to the future US/UK behemoth according to this remarkable book.

    Pg 95

    'The Anglo-Saxon empire, having received its legitimate organization, will be first brought into connection with that portion of the continent of Europe inhabited by tribes akin to itself'...'Germany'...'This is the hearthstone of Europe, physically and morally; all the burdens of Europe are poured into its lap, and it is constantly atoning by its sufferings for the sins of all the nations.'
     
    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/94/mode/2up


    When the US/UK move to conquer Germany, a 'world's war' is unleashed upon the Earth. This will in turn initiate the beginning of a struggle between the United States and Russia for domination over Europe.

    Pg 105

    'That great uprising of all peoples, that world's war which is for ever seen to hang, like the sword of Damocles, over the passing joys and troubles of the hour, will fall when the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation. Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death struggle between the Union [US] and the Czar [Russia].'
     
    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/104/mode/2up


    Things finally come to a head in regards to the United States and Russia in the form of a terrible war being in the offing between the two countries.

    Pg 109

    'Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world's stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.'
     
    A few lines down, also on pg 109, a hint that the United States will get it's desired war with Russia in WWIII through the 'backdoor' of China, the same way it got its war with Germany via the backdoor of Japan in WWII?

    Pg 109

    'Russia has expended all her forces in making a formidable display on her Western border. The United States are already digging the trenches for an attack in the rear.'
     
    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up


    Speaking of China, yesterday's televised national broadcast of CBS News was from on board the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz 'newly returned from patrol in the South China Sea'. Yahoo's lead story this morning I noticed was on China as well. That, and other media, it's almost as though a switch may have been flipped somewhere for the corporate media to concentrate on China this weekend for some reason.

    Everything is more or less in place if they really want to kick things off, including China being 'given on a silver platter' the latest intel of US nuclear missile sites with it's deliberately unmolested 'weather balloon' flyby.

    We shall see what transpires. :-)
  454. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...even as Russia’s offensive was already underway
     
    Really? How come nobody noticed?

    get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.
     
    Ok, I am ready... :) Does it also mean the 50% likelihood of a failure? Do you realize that 50-50 projections are equivalent to saying 'I don't know'?

    He will....And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong...And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see....I also have only goodwill towards Russia
     
    That is incoherent: an oxymoron par excellence...you seem to know nothing and just blow hot air. I don't buy your goodwill, you are consistently fanatically against Russia as it is - nobody cares about yours (or your partner's) fantasy Russia. It is like me saying that I have goodwill for England, but they need to let go of Scotland, Wales, Ulster, abolish monarchy, stop eating greasy foods, submit finances to a Prague arbitration board, declare Shakespeare and Queen Victoria totalitarian tyrants, join Catholic Church, etc...you have no 'goodwill', only deep hatred of the real Russia as it is.

    Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia
     
    If Nato moves to Ukraine with bases-missiles it would be an existential threat. In any case, it is up to them to decide - as it would be Russia would move to occupy Quebec or Chine to Ireland.

    the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially.
     
    Among other places...:)...it would destroy most of the north-western hemisphere, England for sure. Do you really not see that? How would a nuclear war not be two-sided, and how would not most of us be destroyed? Do you hate Russia so much that you are willing to go for it? Or take a chance?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Russia seeks a victory which solves the Ukraine problem–drive out Nato, defend borders, protect the Russo-Slavic sphere.

    I think Russia prefers a final result which makes it less likely the West will pursue additional regime change projects in FSU countries.

    I don’t know what concessions might be made to work toward the secondary goal once the victory is achieved.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Since Russia has already destroyed 1 Ukrainian army, 3 further NATO ones, inflicted 200,000 dead on Ukraine and another 600,000 injured, all for about 3,000 Russian casualties, while destroying the economy of Europe and ensuring US collapse, I think Russia can withdraw in victory now. Lesson taught.

  455. @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yeah I've heard of Чжандо минзу - suits us well. I'll take it.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/B%C3%A5tformig_skafth%C3%A5lsyxa%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg/240px-B%C3%A5tformig_skafth%C3%A5lsyxa%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.jpg

    And it's true that most among us don't care much about Covid. I actually feel some compassion when I see young and fit East Asians wearing masks outside, even though several studies in peer reviewed journals have demonstrated that most masks are completely useless.

    Was discussing it with one of my sons while on a walk downtown, and he told me : "they do it out of respect for others". I asked him : "would you too do it out of respect, even if you knew that it is useless?" He answered: "if I was in their country, I would. So that I don't frighten or alienate them."

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    East Asians wearing masks outside

    I’m frustrated by this as well. Although for the Japanese it tends to be a communitarian concern to not infect others, so masks were prevalent long before Covid. For Chinese a lot of it does boil down to hypochondria and obedience.

    I’ll share an explanation here about why Germans are not called 战斗民族 zhàndòumínzú, despite also known for being involved in wars,

    [MORE]

    As for Germany, have we heard similarities about the life of the German people and 战斗民族?

    Most descriptions of Germans should be of the rigid and rigorous Hans type. Dalinzi* was proficient in drinking and smoking, and distributed vodka to the troops, but Führer was a vegetarian all year round and pays attention to self-care, strictly controlling the smoking of the troops… This folkway does not match the style of 战斗民族

    The first time Russians heard the term 战斗民族, they were confused. They thought it was a one-sided understanding of the Russian nation. The fact is indeed the case. Could it be that Maozi** knows nothing but fighting?

    “What kind of nation was fascism trying to destroy? Kutuzov and Suvorov, Pushkin and Tolstoy, Repin and Surikov, Chernyshevsky and Stanislavsky, Glinka and Tchaikovsky…the nation of these great figures…” This is Dalinzi’s own evaluation. What proportion of these outstanding figures of the Russian nation are military strategists? When we listen to Tchaikovsky’s music, watch Russian ballet, read Pushkin’s poems and Leo Tolstoy’s masterpieces, we will simply think that this is a 战斗民族 that only knows how to fight?

    When we know that the Soviet Union counted the guarantee of watching theater performances in the social welfare system, and when we see that Russians during the economic shock period often went to watch musicals and ballets in groups, we will simply think that this is a merely a 战斗民族 that can fight?

    https://www.zhihu.com/question/48628936

    *Nickname for Stalin
    **Maozi 毛子 “hairy ones” is another nickname for Russians, but I didn’t think you’d mind 😉

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That's an accurate description.

    Of course Fatyanovo-derived folks are not just good for fights and brawls, they have also produced refined art and great thinkers. That's what most Germans forget: although sometimes sloppy and lazy, Slavs can work very hard if they like their work or when forced to do that under hard circumstances. Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough. And overall Slavs are very creative. They are only inferior to Germans from the organization pov. Perhaps because they are more anarchistic and clannish, as also Celtic people are.

    A side note: Stalin didn't drink that much and preferred white wine when he did. But he indeed a heavy smoker.



    Didn't know about the Maozi nickname, but I don't care indeed. I am bearded and overall look somewhat similar to the one legendary batbarian bellow. Described as a Parasika in the early Chinese records, as an Indian in later times, probably came from Central Asia, went back home through the Tian Shan:

    https://static.sadhguru.org/d/46272/1637048823-1637048822006.jpg

    😇

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  456. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    The differences are small; there is fewer I2 in Slovakia and more R1b than in Ukraine. But my focus was on I2 presence as their significant presence somehow correlates with civil wars; indeed, the situation in Moldova is heating up.

    As for Slovakia, it has certain political similarities to Ukraine, presidential/prime minister office generating much controversy in both countries, in terms of Slovakia I meant Vladimir Meciar and Robert Fico.

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    Replies: @AP

    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.

    Just to clarify: since the populations have been mixed over thousands of years it is not that there are are discrete I or R1a men in these countries but rather different proportions of ancestry in each person from that population, with Belarusians and Ukrainians having much more I ancestry than Poles (I am not claiming that you are mistaken, just clarifying).

    In terms of I ancestry, it’s:

    Romania: 34%
    Moldova: 29%

    Ukraine: 25.5%
    Belarus: 24%
    Slovakia: 24%

    Poland: 17%
    Russia: 15.5%

    But in terms of R1a it’s:

    Poland: 57.5%

    Belarus: 51%

    Russia: 46%
    Ukraine: 44%
    Slovakia: 41.5%

    Moldova: 30.5%

    Romania: 18%

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    OK, but I think that I2 and I1 should be distinguished; I2 is the older one.

    In your data, we can see there is an inverse relation between R1a and I at the end of the scale - in Romania and Moldova, which would suggest that maybe the former replaced the latter.

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    I am not sure this holds in other countries, but in Slovakia there are subregions with much higher R1a and some with more I.

    No matter how we try, there are minimal signs of the Old-Magyar-Avar-Huns, less than 2%, there is a consistent 7-8% E of the neolithic farmers from the southeast. The Old-Magyar DNA had survived better in Hungary-Transylvania, even there it is only 3-5%. That suggests the ultimate futility of the 'raiding warrior' lifestyle - a lot of noise, killing, but not much left behind.

    The sub-region analysis is interesting and suggests less mixing due to feudal and geographic restrictions. Until recently it was rare for the common people to find mates outside of their small sub-regions, often a cluster of villages with a local castle or manor.

    The Western DNA is 10-15% (R1b) tests higher in the southwest cities where there was medieval German settlement and in some old mining areas, it is spotty elsewhere. There was a massive departure-expulsion of Germans in the 20th century. The Germanic settlers were often Flemish or Italian, the Germans came mostly from the adjoining areas of east-Austria that had a strong Slav sub-stratum. It can get very complicated...that makes any genetic proclivities a little bit of a castle in the sky...

  457. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    I agree that samples are small. So were also the ancient populations. Most tribes back then were a few thousand people maximum and the largest Tripolye "towns" (villages) were perhaps 10 000 people at most. I am writing this because I agree that a founder effect was more easily established in these conditions.


    All these Western subclades are downstream of R1b-M269 so this sample is not only too small but also inconclusive.
     
    What matters are the subclades. Because the subclades are the regional clusters. I don't think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia (which BTW I didn't read for many years, but which allows for a great introduction into paleogenetics). This phylogenetic tree picture doesn't open for some reason and German Reader is wary of me posting trojan infected pics that would allow me "hacking into his HD" (in case you missed the drama, Altan wrote of me hacking into his HD using some pictures, I have no idea where he got this mad idea from), so if you want to have a look, here's an altered link below do you can cut and paste:

    Xhttps://www.eupedia.com/images/content/R1b-tree.pngX

    If you follow the link, you'll see that 80% of Yamnaya cluster into a lateral Eastern European/ Western Asian (Eurasian actually) branch that is unrelated to all the BB that were found later in Western Europe and clustered in the Italo-Gaulish branch, which is also close to the Ibero-Atlantic one. It is very easy to see on the tree.

    By contrast, in a group of 96 Bell Beaker people from Central Europe, of those who had haplogroup R1b (14), the majority (11) were R1b-L2.
     
    They sampled 96 skeletons, of which 14 were those of BB. Presumably, others were from some other cultures. Among the 14, 11 fell into the Italo-Gaulish branch and the other 3 into the ancestral nexus that separate this branch and the Ibero-Atlantic branch together from the rest of the tree. Basically that's what the original Maritime BB would have been: ZZ11.

    So yes, the Yamnaya did spread to Western Europe.
     
    Yes the steppe ancestry did eventually spread everywhere in Europe with later migrations. Celts, Romans, Germanic... I only write about the steppe ancestry being minimal in the early Maritime BB. Later BB descended populations got heavily admixed with the CWC or perhaps some Yamnaya descended populations that were rich in steppe ancestry. That led to Unetice folks and proto Celtic people, and Nordic Bronze Age and proto Germanic/Norse people. Of course Celts and Germans - Norse had as much steppe ancestry as the proto Balto-Slav had. There's no denying it. But it happened a thousand years later after the Maritime BB. And there's still a cline of steppe ancestry going East-West to this very day. Imagine how small this admixture must have been in the Iberian peninsula and the British Isles a long time ago, before the Celts, and after them (during the Migration Period), Germans, Norse and even Sarmatians and Alans contributed some to the westernmost Europe.

    So could we conclude that yes, Yamnaya or Yamnaya-related people from the Eurasian Steppe migrated to Western Europe and were the ones that spread R1b there (and R1a in Eastern Europe)?
     
    Yes we could, if considered the later migrations that I mentioned above and if we considered CWC and Yamnaya also distantly related through the original Mesolithic population of ancestral haplogroup R, the one if the Malta boy (found in Siberia). But CWC and Yamnaya Y haplogroups R1a and R1b are separated by thousands of years, with R1a having split first from Y haplogroup R.

    Hope you had the time to look into the Maritime BB migration article that I posted under the More tag. It's genetically illiterate, and it doesn't talk about that, but it is very interesting because it describes how the Maritime BB migrated in Europe along the coasts and into the riverways. It shows what populations they met along the way and where they settled. A nice summary, despite the fact that "pots are not people " and that looking into the haplogroups would have prevented them from writing that "CWC descended from Yamnaya".

    And just to be clear, I don't foment some anti-Beaker agenda on teh internets through posting long convoluted Y haplogroup rants that only a handful of people would ever read on UR. All that happened then, was normal to that period. People were tough unlike us weaklings.

    The BB were powerful warriors, great organizers and they undoubtedly benefitted the European gene pool greatly. They were brutal and domineering because they had the guts and the brains for that. Your probable ancestors were great people, but I am glad that my probable ancestors prevented them from going even further East. I like my genetic lineage and I am glad it survived. I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes...

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Mikel

    I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…

    Look, you guys did what you had to do. No hard feelings from my side. Even if those Beaker folks are part of my ancestry, if they went to your lands with the intention of imposing a pottery style that you didn’t like and in the process take possession of your women, what did they expect your reaction would be?

    Anyway, I followed one of the links in the wiki article on the Yamnaya and I think that all my doubts about the Beaker migrations are solved. It’s a Nature paper where they studied the DNA of over 200 Beaker remains from all parts of Europe and used very sophisticated statistical methods to compare them with earlier populations in the same locations and with current ones. Top notch study, incidentally led by a young Basque geneticist working at Harvard but co-authored by a very long list of leading figures in the field. Even I recognize some of the names: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/

    One of the main findings, that you may not like too much, is that the Beaker phenomenon involved very limited South to North genetic transfer. By contrast, the Beaker expansion to Britain was accompanied by an influx of Central European people with heavy Steppe admixture that in the course of a few centuries almost replaced the male lineages with the R1b haplogroup.

    On the other hand, they do mention evidences of an earlier South to North maritime migration on the Atlantic facade during the megalithic period.

    I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia

    Yes, I did study those charts, which is why I acknowledged that those 8 Yamnas of the Rostov sample belonged to an R1b subclade separate from the Western ones. I may have actually confused Eupedia with some other website when I mentioned their relationship with kooky theories. Those subclade trees are a perfect example of how citizen-scientists are essential for the progress of so many fields.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Thanks Mikel. Will reply later.

  458. @A123

    The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”.
     
    You left out the most plausible explanation.

    There is "zero, zip, nada" to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don’t want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.
     
    There have always been lunatics, and the percentage has actually diminished, it is just that they're more able to enter the public conversation, and out themselves in the process.

    See my comment above about the popular journalists who are convinced there is no war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified?
     
    The Kevin Barrett Peter McCulloch interview a few weeks ago was very good from start to end. The best part was when they discussed the nuance of

    did they make it happen on purpose?
    or did they let it happen on purpose?

    That part of their discussion was isomorphic to one regarding the Sept 11 2001 terror project but they left that out.
    , @A123
    @QCIC



    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis?

     

    I have been around heavy industry, though not specifically pipelines.
    _____

    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a “weak” hypotheses?

    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like "weak", I might be help improve your understanding. For example:

    -- "Why were all four pipes at risk at the same time?" --

    Odds are that Moscow was reducing pressure in all four tubes to recover material for sale on other markets. This type of controlled unloading can take days or even weeks.

    -- "Why 17 hours?" --

    While the exact timing was not knowable in advance, the unloading had likely been happening for days. Even though the operators reacted after the first rupture, the die had already been cast. They were probably repressurising, which is the right idea, but could not do it fast enough.
    ___

    These are of course guesses, but they are reasonable ones.

    PEACE 😇

     

    P.S. This thread is quite unstable on my ancient mobile device. If it becomes unreadable, you may need to recycle your query in the next OT.

    Replies: @QCIC

  459. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    East Asians wearing masks outside

    I'm frustrated by this as well. Although for the Japanese it tends to be a communitarian concern to not infect others, so masks were prevalent long before Covid. For Chinese a lot of it does boil down to hypochondria and obedience.

    I'll share an explanation here about why Germans are not called 战斗民族 zhàndòumínzú, despite also known for being involved in wars,


    As for Germany, have we heard similarities about the life of the German people and 战斗民族?

    Most descriptions of Germans should be of the rigid and rigorous Hans type. Dalinzi* was proficient in drinking and smoking, and distributed vodka to the troops, but Führer was a vegetarian all year round and pays attention to self-care, strictly controlling the smoking of the troops... This folkway does not match the style of 战斗民族

    The first time Russians heard the term 战斗民族, they were confused. They thought it was a one-sided understanding of the Russian nation. The fact is indeed the case. Could it be that Maozi** knows nothing but fighting?

    "What kind of nation was fascism trying to destroy? Kutuzov and Suvorov, Pushkin and Tolstoy, Repin and Surikov, Chernyshevsky and Stanislavsky, Glinka and Tchaikovsky...the nation of these great figures..." This is Dalinzi's own evaluation. What proportion of these outstanding figures of the Russian nation are military strategists? When we listen to Tchaikovsky's music, watch Russian ballet, read Pushkin's poems and Leo Tolstoy's masterpieces, we will simply think that this is a 战斗民族 that only knows how to fight?

    When we know that the Soviet Union counted the guarantee of watching theater performances in the social welfare system, and when we see that Russians during the economic shock period often went to watch musicals and ballets in groups, we will simply think that this is a merely a 战斗民族 that can fight?
     

    https://www.zhihu.com/question/48628936

    *Nickname for Stalin
    **Maozi 毛子 "hairy ones" is another nickname for Russians, but I didn't think you'd mind 😉

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    That’s an accurate description.

    Of course Fatyanovo-derived folks are not just good for fights and brawls, they have also produced refined art and great thinkers. That’s what most Germans forget: although sometimes sloppy and lazy, Slavs can work very hard if they like their work or when forced to do that under hard circumstances. Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough. And overall Slavs are very creative. They are only inferior to Germans from the organization pov. Perhaps because they are more anarchistic and clannish, as also Celtic people are.

    A side note: Stalin didn’t drink that much and preferred white wine when he did. But he indeed a heavy smoker.

    [MORE]

    Didn’t know about the Maozi nickname, but I don’t care indeed. I am bearded and overall look somewhat similar to the one legendary batbarian bellow. Described as a Parasika in the early Chinese records, as an Indian in later times, probably came from Central Asia, went back home through the Tian Shan:

    😇

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool


    Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough.
     
    For math definitely. Soviet mathematics basically kept up toe-to-toe with the West. Modern probability theory was founded by Kolmogorov. For physics and engineering as well I think.

    German math and physics declined during Third Reich,

    Early on, this elite stigmatized the inadequacies of modern society's materialism as Jewish, and most of these "German mandarins" went over to the anti-Semitic camp in their conservative political tradition.[5]

     

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

    Somewhat akin to the Chinese mandarins shutting down Zheng He's expeditions.

    For philosophy its really the yin and the yang, you can't really have a German Dostoyevsky or a Russian Hegel.

    For music its a matter of taste, I would place Bach Beethoven Mozart Haydn Wagner a class higher than Tchaikovsky and Prokofiev.



    https://twitter.com/BohmRespektor/status/1629561762054799360?s=20
  460. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.
     
    Just to clarify: since the populations have been mixed over thousands of years it is not that there are are discrete I or R1a men in these countries but rather different proportions of ancestry in each person from that population, with Belarusians and Ukrainians having much more I ancestry than Poles (I am not claiming that you are mistaken, just clarifying).

    In terms of I ancestry, it’s:

    Romania: 34%
    Moldova: 29%

    Ukraine: 25.5%
    Belarus: 24%
    Slovakia: 24%

    Poland: 17%
    Russia: 15.5%

    But in terms of R1a it’s:

    Poland: 57.5%

    Belarus: 51%

    Russia: 46%
    Ukraine: 44%
    Slovakia: 41.5%

    Moldova: 30.5%

    Romania: 18%

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow

    OK, but I think that I2 and I1 should be distinguished; I2 is the older one.

    In your data, we can see there is an inverse relation between R1a and I at the end of the scale – in Romania and Moldova, which would suggest that maybe the former replaced the latter.

  461. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situations (paralysis through analysis etc.). Also Russians see Germans as courageous, but they don't see them as brave.

    Of course conversely Germans see Slavs as too emotional, unstable, sloppy and lazy. Both points of view are valid to some extent, both populations know each other very well. They have been neighbors for millenia.

    As an amusing side anecdote, the current leader of the Russian democratic nationalist opposition is Roman Yuneman (Junemann) who is of Volga German descent on his father's side and Semirechyie Cossack descent on his mother's side. Looks like a very nice fellow. Has done a lot of good with the humanitarian aid in Donbass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society.Future

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/25/im-ready-to-go-to-prison-the-26-year-old-taking-on-russias-ruling-party-a74322

    If I was still living in Moscow, I would be voting for him and his party.

    Replies: @S

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational..

    I believe it was Stalin that said that if there was a stop sign along a barren track with no one else around for miles, the German army would still stop when it came to the sign.

    Have also heard similar accounts as you describe of Slavs at times being very up/down emotionally.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  462. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel

    The thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a is dubious at least; 90%+ of what was found in those kurgans were R1b. But the thesis that Yamnaya were forefathers of R1a too is dear to many, for some reason which would be worth investigating. David Anthony tried to save it with claims that R1a were the "low-class" part of Yamnaya and as such did not find their place in "high-class" R1b kurgans.
    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry. I get a sense there is a shadow here of this R1a vs R1b conflict Ivaskha talked about, but can't pinpoint wherefrom this shadow originates.

    The another problem with this is whether or not there was a steppe invasion of West Europe, since there are non-Yamnaya R1b clades in West Europe too. So did one R1b invade another R1b group..? It does not make sense as much as the invasion or plague that decimated neolithic I2 men did make sense. And in fact the only other Y-haplotype found in Yamna is I2, who were to became "helots" of R1b, according to Ivashka.
    Frankly, we could perhaps propose a thesis that R1b invaded East from West, but we can't because we are committed to the paradigm of both the idea of Invasion from Steppe and Yamnaya as the origin of both R1a and R1b cultures.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Mikel

    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry.

    Well, we need to go step by step. I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe. But how exactly R1b became dominant in the different parts of Western Europe is a different matter. I don’t have an answer at this point, other than the main European clade R1b-M269 originating in the East and somehow spreading westwards through its subclades in a probably complex way.

    I clearly remember a recent paper, mentioned even by Sailer in his Unz column, that described a similar event to the one depicted in the Nature paper above for the British Islands: invaders with Steppe ancestry replacing the male population also in Iberia. It must have been during a different period and perhaps with different protagonists involved but I don’t have the time now to look for that paper. I need to honor my weekend routines.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel


    I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe.
     
    It has rather low numbers of specimen so we can't be so sure. My question is still unanswered. The author of the commentary on your second link kind of admits it too:

    This one male is, curiously, the only non-R1b one among the IA samples, belonging to HG I2a1a1a. This is probably a matter of luck, since most Celtiberians should be R1b too, but it’s still funny how elusive R1 seems to be among early Indo-Europeans.
     
    Plus, they postulate that some of these R1b adapted non-IE language already then (so the lonely R1b among Tartessians), but that would kind of exclude an "invasion"; invaders usually try to speak their own language as long as they can.

    Genetically speaking, they are in line with the Iberians, though the low sample count (only one male, R1b-M269) does not allow for further conclusions.
  463. @A123

    The results so far are zero, zip, nada. The only plausible explanation I can think of that whoever blew up NS1 and NS2 is controlling all countries ostensibly “investigating”.
     
    You left out the most plausible explanation.

    There is "zero, zip, nada" to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    You left out the most plausible explanation.
    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.

    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
    Other hypotheses?

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
     
    Let me fix that for you.

    The probability of a “complex industrial accident” happening within one day IN ONE CONTROL ROOM is about the same as the probability of water being wet.

    Everyone notices that you still haven't answered any of the critical questions about your obviously bogus attack theory. Try to be serious and answer the questions this time:

    • Why was the timing 17 hours apart
    • Why was the geography 50 miles apart
    • Why were only 3 of 4 pipes ? And, if you say that is a failure why has the unexploded ordinance not Bern recovered?

    Why do you cower in fear when these questions are asked? They are not going away. And, attack theories are ludicrous if they do not cover the observed facts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  464. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool


    Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
     
    This isn't what you call "psycho-babble."

    You may not care about persuasion, but dismissing ideas you don't like as having no value and instead attributing their immense popularity to conspiracy IS "intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive."

    You're not the only person to do it either. Plenty of intellectually lazy and easily dismissed progressives do it. They blame Rupert Murdoch.

    Now you might argue that you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such.

    Sorry but "these ideas I don't like have no value and are just immensely popular because everyone is a sheeeeeeeeep" is a stupid argument.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such

    Laxa honey, why so serious ?!

    🙂

    [MORE]

    АУЕ…

    👊

  465. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles? Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles?

    No. They are generally well-behaved, perhaps owing to the influence of Islam. Same thing for Africans in Saudi Arabia. The homicide rate in Egypt is 2.6 and in Saudi Arabia 0.8; which is in line with most normal countries (US its 6.5); despite the Afro population being roughly comparable to US.

    Egyptians do a good job of destroying Cairo. We don’t need African help 🙂

    Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.

    Agree.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yahya

    Egypt is a police state. Police states are good at suppressing street crime. Someone commits a crime, the police know who it was almost immediately. You can see the same thing in many countries similar to Egypt. However, it also means the police are the criminals and run the country.

    I think it makes sense in some places (Egypt) and is an unnecessary sacrifice in others (Norway). While in other places, it would be good, but there just isn't the level of social organisation needed for it (Nigeria). Of course, there are also lots of borderline places, where it depends on local priorities.

  466. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird, @Gerard1234

    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.

    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

    Wow, you dumb worthless dogshit of a satanist indivual. What a total liar freak.

    German court stopping NS2 from coming into action in August 2021, after constriction finished, was the ONLY reason of the price spike you serial dumb piece of shit. That’s after using about 3 years of delaying tactics in the form of changing EU rules, legal delays, sanctions on staggered sanctions on various different players ,and so on you ridiculous scumbag.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    It's obviously hard for you to think clearly while suffering from coprolalia, but according to your own description those "3 years of NS delays" did not result in any price increases and 4th year would have been no any different if underground Gazprom natgas storages in EU were filled like they were filled all those years before and without having NS2.

    Not even to mention that price began to rise in spring and summer, way before NS2 court decision, as it was clear that storage fill-up was not started being done as it was usual in all previous years at that time.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  467. @German_reader

    What does it mean when a cow is nicer than a woman? – You are in Germany!”
     
    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.

    Strange, gratuitously insulting MENA and African people; for a Western joke which originated in a German website.

    I think the “nicer” was a reference to personality, not appearance. But here is the website link; you go take your complaints to them, Sauerkraut: https://www.andinet.de/en/funny/jokes/germany_jokes.html

    • Troll: S
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    German girls I've known were rather attractive. And so were the MENA ones. As Omar Khayyam wisely noted in one of his rubaiyat, one can like roses as much as one likes tulips.

    Replies: @Yahya

  468. @S
    @Coconuts


    Perhaps in the future it will return as the US becomes more Hispanic.
     
    Please take this as constructive criticism and nothing more.

    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.

    If you feel as an individual that you wish to give up and surrender, that is a terrible thing, certainly. It is your affair, however, and no one can stop you.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.

    It would be the same difference if you were part of a group which became infected by an often fatal plague. If you as an individual happened to die from it, that would be terrible, certainly.
    However, you wouldn't have the right to make the decision for everyone else that they die from it as well.

    You should hope instead, for the many obvious reasons, that your compatriots surprise you and find a way to survive, and live.

    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism, I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them. :-(

    Replies: @Coconuts

    You do not have the right to surrender for everyone else.

    Afaik what I wrote is just a demographic fact. It is ‘baked in’ now just from birth rates and maintaining any level of immigration. The only way it would change would involve zero immigration in the future and deportations.

    But you do not have the right to surrender for the whole of England, Scotland, Wales, N Ireland, the UK, Europe, the US, or, the rest of the world besides.

    I agree with Leaves No Shadow on this point. In most cases the populations of these countries have chosen this path. In Britain the younger and more active parts of the population are making their commitment, even enthusiasm for it clear. There is authority behind it.

    I did not choose this.

    Again, in the spirit of constructive criticism…

    I will provide you with some constructive criticism:

    Your posts on Karlin Unz forum are not going to save Europe.

    I sometimes forget why I generally don’t read your posts, and make the mistake of reminding myself why, as here, by reading one of them.

    I don’t generally read yours either. I thought we just have different interests.

  469. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Russia seeks a victory which solves the Ukraine problem--drive out Nato, defend borders, protect the Russo-Slavic sphere.

    I think Russia prefers a final result which makes it less likely the West will pursue additional regime change projects in FSU countries.

    I don't know what concessions might be made to work toward the secondary goal once the victory is achieved.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Since Russia has already destroyed 1 Ukrainian army, 3 further NATO ones, inflicted 200,000 dead on Ukraine and another 600,000 injured, all for about 3,000 Russian casualties, while destroying the economy of Europe and ensuring US collapse, I think Russia can withdraw in victory now. Lesson taught.

  470. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles?
     
    No. They are generally well-behaved, perhaps owing to the influence of Islam. Same thing for Africans in Saudi Arabia. The homicide rate in Egypt is 2.6 and in Saudi Arabia 0.8; which is in line with most normal countries (US its 6.5); despite the Afro population being roughly comparable to US.

    Egyptians do a good job of destroying Cairo. We don’t need African help :)


    Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.
     
    Agree.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Egypt is a police state. Police states are good at suppressing street crime. Someone commits a crime, the police know who it was almost immediately. You can see the same thing in many countries similar to Egypt. However, it also means the police are the criminals and run the country.

    I think it makes sense in some places (Egypt) and is an unnecessary sacrifice in others (Norway). While in other places, it would be good, but there just isn’t the level of social organisation needed for it (Nigeria). Of course, there are also lots of borderline places, where it depends on local priorities.

  471. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don't want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    There have always been lunatics, and the percentage has actually diminished, it is just that they’re more able to enter the public conversation, and out themselves in the process.

    See my comment above about the popular journalists who are convinced there is no war in Ukraine.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think there is a war, but I agree with the reporter's observation that the coverage seems strange.

    The whole thing is strange.

    On the one hand we are on the brink of catastrophe, on the other hand life in Kiev is so stable that the president can fly in for a ridiculous photo op.

    Maybe the conspiracy theorists are correct about the portable crematoriums. The Israeli operatives steal the organs of any dead soldiers and then immediately cremate the bodies.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  472. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool


    I am glad my ancestors had these clubs and battle axes…
     
    Look, you guys did what you had to do. No hard feelings from my side. Even if those Beaker folks are part of my ancestry, if they went to your lands with the intention of imposing a pottery style that you didn't like and in the process take possession of your women, what did they expect your reaction would be?

    Anyway, I followed one of the links in the wiki article on the Yamnaya and I think that all my doubts about the Beaker migrations are solved. It's a Nature paper where they studied the DNA of over 200 Beaker remains from all parts of Europe and used very sophisticated statistical methods to compare them with earlier populations in the same locations and with current ones. Top notch study, incidentally led by a young Basque geneticist working at Harvard but co-authored by a very long list of leading figures in the field. Even I recognize some of the names: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5973796/

    One of the main findings, that you may not like too much, is that the Beaker phenomenon involved very limited South to North genetic transfer. By contrast, the Beaker expansion to Britain was accompanied by an influx of Central European people with heavy Steppe admixture that in the course of a few centuries almost replaced the male lineages with the R1b haplogroup.

    On the other hand, they do mention evidences of an earlier South to North maritime migration on the Atlantic facade during the megalithic period.

    I don’t think you were able to have a look at the picture of the phylogenetic tree that I have pasted from Eupedia
     

    Yes, I did study those charts, which is why I acknowledged that those 8 Yamnas of the Rostov sample belonged to an R1b subclade separate from the Western ones. I may have actually confused Eupedia with some other website when I mentioned their relationship with kooky theories. Those subclade trees are a perfect example of how citizen-scientists are essential for the progress of so many fields.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Thanks Mikel. Will reply later.

  473. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive. Russia has 20% of Ukraine, we have no way of knowing what their territorial goals were - if they even existed - so you constant refrain about Kharkov is pointless. Why does Russia need Kharkov? Or Kiev?

    If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved. Spare us the 'high spirit' speeches, the Kiev-Ukraine is smaller, weaker, much smaller economy (30-40%), completely dependent on the West for survival....it lost 5-10 million people, probably permanently.

    You are waiting for the 'Russian offensive' because you have created a narrative that 'Kiev side can never lose!' For that you need constant affirmations of repeated Russian failures, so you invent what they must do and then when it doesn't happen, you scream that they failed. It is unreal in its infantilism.


    Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.
     
    Will he? What if he doesn't? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help...

    Ok, but Russia has the nukes - I think they work, let's not take a chance :) - they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let's assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?

    Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.

    The Ukrainian General Staff are preparing to strike southwards towards the Azov coast, in the direction of Melitopol. Another scenario might be possible where they storm Dnipro, straight into Crimea (around Armiansk) but that scenario is probably less likely. The Ukrainians have already hit Mariupol in the last few days, so that means they have received the medium range missiles (it’s possible that they already have the GLSDB which can strike up to 150kms). They might receive a lot of what they need in March to carry out this offensive. It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    [Russian offensive] Really? How come nobody noticed?

    Russian offensive has been going since January. Mobilization is still proceeding, over 300K Russian troops could be in Ukraine now. It has been noticed very well by the Ukrainians, but not by you because it hasn’t been that successful.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    It will be a Ukrainian Spring.
     
    Rather it will be another "brother kills brother" spring. May sanity prevail and may the killing stop.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    It will be a Ukrainian Spring.
     
    Well, there will be a spring in Ukraine, it always comes. Regarding your poetic analogy, my recollection is that these 'Springs' usually fail - from Prague Spring to Egypt, Syria...they have been failures. Be more careful with the analogies...

    If Ukies strike towards Azov it will be bloody. One thing to consider is the overwhelming Russian ability to destroy the military and infrastructure targets. Many doubt it - Russian have not done it in a big way so far - but what makes you think they couldn't or wouldn't?

    Escalating the war was a tragic mistake by Kiev pushed by the West - unless they possess a miracle weapon this will end with a defeat for Kiev. It was a small defeat at the beginning, but it could turn into a catastrophe. The best hope is that China or someone else will manage to cool the hot heads, bring down the temperature and a modus vivendi is reached with Russia keeping what it controls.

    You and many others have fallen into an emotional tail-spin not seeing rationally what could happen. Like the feverish crowds cheering on the start of WW1 or the volunteers rushing to the Civil War...it is foolish. You don't see it because the 'Spring' is coming. But then maybe a hot summer and a winter. The war needs to stop and not be escalated. Take your loss like a man, preserve some dignity...

  474. @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Strange, German women still seem to be attractive enough to attract the attentions of MENA and African rapists. But who knows, maybe they would indeed also do it with cows, goats or other animals.
     
    Strange, gratuitously insulting MENA and African people; for a Western joke which originated in a German website.

    I think the “nicer” was a reference to personality, not appearance. But here is the website link; you go take your complaints to them, Sauerkraut: https://www.andinet.de/en/funny/jokes/germany_jokes.html

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    German girls I’ve known were rather attractive. And so were the MENA ones. As Omar Khayyam wisely noted in one of his rubaiyat, one can like roses as much as one likes tulips.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    There’s beauty to be found everywhere. But try telling that to our miserable German friend. I don’t think I’ve seen him praise the positive qualities on any group. Everyone to him is just a “rapist”, “criminal”, “parasite”, “stupid”, “manipulative”, “delusional”, “myopic” etc. Probably the most morose individual i’ve yet encountered.

    I think it is linked to his lack of appreciation for the arts. Don’t think he’s discussed movies or music or art (except to trash on them) since I started posting here; his reading list post was almost exclusively academic and history-centric. I’m an avid reader of the latter; but solely focusing on facts and history is a recipe for gloom. As Gibbon says “History is indeed little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind.”

    Perhaps this sublime piece of music from his Anglo-Germanic compatriot will lift his spirits:

    https://youtu.be/q9zre6aSSA8

    I know it’s played on the minor scale; but I find it always elevates my mood.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  475. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
     
    The Ukrainian General Staff are preparing to strike southwards towards the Azov coast, in the direction of Melitopol. Another scenario might be possible where they storm Dnipro, straight into Crimea (around Armiansk) but that scenario is probably less likely. The Ukrainians have already hit Mariupol in the last few days, so that means they have received the medium range missiles (it's possible that they already have the GLSDB which can strike up to 150kms). They might receive a lot of what they need in March to carry out this offensive. It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    [Russian offensive] Really? How come nobody noticed?
     
    Russian offensive has been going since January. Mobilization is still proceeding, over 300K Russian troops could be in Ukraine now. It has been noticed very well by the Ukrainians, but not by you because it hasn't been that successful.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

    It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    Rather it will be another “brother kills brother” spring. May sanity prevail and may the killing stop.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    You can direct this to Putin so he can withdraw his genocidal troops. And they don't consider you their brother anymore after all those murders of their children and all those smashed homes.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  476. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    German girls I've known were rather attractive. And so were the MENA ones. As Omar Khayyam wisely noted in one of his rubaiyat, one can like roses as much as one likes tulips.

    Replies: @Yahya

    There’s beauty to be found everywhere. But try telling that to our miserable German friend. I don’t think I’ve seen him praise the positive qualities on any group. Everyone to him is just a “rapist”, “criminal”, “parasite”, “stupid”, “manipulative”, “delusional”, “myopic” etc. Probably the most morose individual i’ve yet encountered.

    I think it is linked to his lack of appreciation for the arts. Don’t think he’s discussed movies or music or art (except to trash on them) since I started posting here; his reading list post was almost exclusively academic and history-centric. I’m an avid reader of the latter; but solely focusing on facts and history is a recipe for gloom. As Gibbon says “History is indeed little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind.”

    Perhaps this sublime piece of music from his Anglo-Germanic compatriot will lift his spirits:

    I know it’s played on the minor scale; but I find it always elevates my mood.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya

    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating? :-)

    You must like some of the other composers of this period too, like Telemann, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Correlli?.....

    Replies: @Yahya

  477. @Ivashka the fool
    Juraj Krizhanic writing in the seventeenth century about Slavdom decadence and foreign influences:

    Foreigners infiltrate and truly flood our kingdoms under the guise of trade, craft, military service and piety. They come to us [together] with their wives, but they do not find their way back. So, coming to us and moving in, the Germans pushed us from entire countries: from Moravia, from Pomerania, from Silesia, from Prussia. In the Czech land, there are already few Slavs left in the large cities. And among the Poles, all the cities are full of Germans, Gypsies, Scots, Jews, Armenians and Italians, so that in many cities there are more foreigners than our own people, and our people do not find a place for themselves in these cities.

    Our cities are full of foreigners, and we are their lackeys. For for them we cultivate the land and wage wars for their benefit, so that they sit idle in cities, in stone mansions, and feast, and call us pigs and dogs.

    It is absolutely clear and not a secret to anyone that foreigners have completely taken over feom the Poles all the gold and silver, and eat all the fruits, and [drink all] the juices of this land. And the Poles at home beg for alms from their guests, beg them lowly, bow to them and die before their eyes from hunger and shame.

    And what is being done here in Rus'? Foreign merchants - Germans, Greeks, Bukharians - rake in the wealth and income of this entire kingdom. Everywhere they keep warehouses with goods and farming, and all sorts of crafts and deeds. They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things. And finally, being cunning, they deceive our merchants for large sums of money.

    In troubled times, foreigners take away their goods and money from us, and thereby generate high prices in the country, [and] those who can, leave themselves; reveal our secrets; are easily betraying, go over to enemies, and offend us in many ways.

    When these merchants and craftsmen in any city become so prolific and multiply that they become strong enough, then they will drive our people out of the city or kill [them], strengthen the city and become sovereign masters to our shame and loss. So they did in Gdansk, in Torun, in Riga and in some Russian cities, and the Saxons [achieved this] in Hungary, and in all Bohemia, and in Pomerania, and in other places. And especially where there were places convenient for trade, the Germans took away all these places, both piers and markets. And everywhere they [pushed] us away from the sea and from large navigable rivers [and] drove us into a wide field to plow the earth.
     
    Machine translated with minor corrections.

    http://hrono.ru/libris/lib_k/krizh16.php

    Replies: @LatW

    This is the key here in the text of Juraj Krizhanic:

    They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things.

    Except those things are not perceived as “useless”. Replace “pearls & Venetian glass” with Mercedes, Siemens, Roche & Bayer, IKEA, L’Oreal… etc, etc, and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas. This is the crux of the matter. Until this is solved, there is no point in lamenting.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas.
     
    Чёткие пацаны wear Adidas.

    https://youtu.be/yQR_NLeXKtw

    Adidas - скрепа!

    No Adidas - no RusFed !

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

  478. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    It will be a Ukrainian Spring.
     
    Rather it will be another "brother kills brother" spring. May sanity prevail and may the killing stop.

    Replies: @LatW

    You can direct this to Putin so he can withdraw his genocidal troops. And they don’t consider you their brother anymore after all those murders of their children and all those smashed homes.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Oh don't worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer. And my Ukrainian friends agree with me. Even those from Odessa. Because normal people dislike war.

    BTW, I have known war personally, ain't gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That's why I don't like either.

    Speaking of Odessa, which I truly like (especially the Zelda Absinthe Bar), I recommend this Telegram channel:

    https://t.me/russ_orientalist/13675

    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre. Traveled a lot, settled in Moscow, did good business. Was the owner of the pub where Russian nationalists met. Was a good friend of Prosvirnin, probably knows Anatoly as well. A nice guy with the heart at the right place.



    Вообще, к этому конфликту отлично применим термин - управляемый славянорез. Термин мне не нравится, но суть того что происходит с конца февраля 2022 он раскрывает вполне.

    С этой стороны - стабильная утилизация населения в бесконечных "мясных штурмах", заведомо провальных и бессмысленных штурмах укреплённых за долгие годы локаций - крепостей. Сперва утилизировали донбасских "неучтенных", наловленных на улицах и выдернутых с рабочих мест, когда основная масса "неучтенных" банально закончилась, моГилизировать пришлось уже самих россиян. Принципы утилизации при этом не поменялись.

    С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны - трупами моГилизированных забрасываются сёла и городки которые не факт, что устоят, но трупов сил на удержание требуют немерянно.

    Поддержка извне тоже многое может сказать о цели конфликта - ни одна из сторон в нем победить не сможет. Поставки вооружений Украине носят рекламно-демонстрационный характер, полностью исключающий какие либо неконтролируемые успехи ВСУ. Когда становится совсем тоскливо им - краник чуть чуть приоткрывают, когда чуть попускает - прикрывают.

    Я лично уверен, что сокращение славянского населения на постсоветском пространстве - одна из неназванных, но совсем не второстепенных целей происходящего безумия и увы, результат уже можно фиксировать. Демография славянского населения на территории Украины и РФ уже вряд ли восстановится. Остается лишь Белоруссия, как возможно, единственный в будущем регион с преобладающим славянским населением.

    Rien à rajouter...

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

  479. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes. I concur. The cooperation between Weimar Germany and early USSR was quite important on both the military and industrial grounds. The British intervened through financial diktat to stop an even greater cooperation from happening. Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid. When the Hitler and Stalin attempted a reconciliation, the British worked with both sides to prevent it. Fursov writes about it all.

    https://brightonbeachnews.com/rus/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/USSR-Germany-London-ww2-propaganda.jpg

    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain. The opposite has happened.

    Replies: @S

    A poster printed in USSR after the signature of the Soviet-German pact. Soviets seemed genuinely ready to work alongside Germany to defeat Great Britain.

    That’s a rare poster if there ever was one. 🙂

    Then the Anglo-saxon financial circles fostered the Great Depression that led to the Nazi rise to power with the Anglo-saxon financial aid.

    Sure, some big profits were made off the Great Depression, buying up foreclosed properties, valuable stocks, etc, for pennies on the dollar. I do think, however, that the primary point of the global Depression may well have been specifically to catapult Hitler into power in Germany, as he was having some difficulties advancing his cause, and, as the US/UK wanted him in there.

    The effectively blacklisted, and somewhat prophetic, 1853 New Rome book, speaks about how once a future rapprochement takes place between the US and UK, the reunited US/UK, the new ‘Anglo-Saxon Empire’ as the book calls it, will move against Germany.

    [MORE]

    Continental Europe’s center of power, Germany, is very important to the future US/UK behemoth according to this remarkable book.

    Pg 95

    ‘The Anglo-Saxon empire, having received its legitimate organization, will be first brought into connection with that portion of the continent of Europe inhabited by tribes akin to itself’…’Germany’…’This is the hearthstone of Europe, physically and morally; all the burdens of Europe are poured into its lap, and it is constantly atoning by its sufferings for the sins of all the nations.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/94/mode/2up

    When the US/UK move to conquer Germany, a ‘world’s war’ is unleashed upon the Earth. This will in turn initiate the beginning of a struggle between the United States and Russia for domination over Europe.

    Pg 105

    ‘That great uprising of all peoples, that world’s war which is for ever seen to hang, like the sword of Damocles, over the passing joys and troubles of the hour, will fall when the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation. Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death struggle between the Union [US] and the Czar [Russia].’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/104/mode/2up

    Things finally come to a head in regards to the United States and Russia in the form of a terrible war being in the offing between the two countries.

    Pg 109

    ‘Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’

    A few lines down, also on pg 109, a hint that the United States will get it’s desired war with Russia in WWIII through the ‘backdoor’ of China, the same way it got its war with Germany via the backdoor of Japan in WWII?

    Pg 109

    ‘Russia has expended all her forces in making a formidable display on her Western border. The United States are already digging the trenches for an attack in the rear.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    Speaking of China, yesterday’s televised national broadcast of CBS News was from on board the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz ‘newly returned from patrol in the South China Sea’. Yahoo’s lead story this morning I noticed was on China as well. That, and other media, it’s almost as though a switch may have been flipped somewhere for the corporate media to concentrate on China this weekend for some reason.

    Everything is more or less in place if they really want to kick things off, including China being ‘given on a silver platter’ the latest intel of US nuclear missile sites with it’s deliberately unmolested ‘weather balloon’ flyby.

    We shall see what transpires. 🙂

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
  480. @Mikel
    @Another Polish Perspective


    This all led to some misunderstanding where R1b became the main steppe ancestry.
     
    Well, we need to go step by step. I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe. But how exactly R1b became dominant in the different parts of Western Europe is a different matter. I don't have an answer at this point, other than the main European clade R1b-M269 originating in the East and somehow spreading westwards through its subclades in a probably complex way.

    I clearly remember a recent paper, mentioned even by Sailer in his Unz column, that described a similar event to the one depicted in the Nature paper above for the British Islands: invaders with Steppe ancestry replacing the male population also in Iberia. It must have been during a different period and perhaps with different protagonists involved but I don't have the time now to look for that paper. I need to honor my weekend routines.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    I think that the Nature paper I mentioned in my reply to Ivashka clarifies the big picture of what the Beaker phenomenon entailed wrt population transfers in Europe.

    It has rather low numbers of specimen so we can’t be so sure. My question is still unanswered. The author of the commentary on your second link kind of admits it too:

    This one male is, curiously, the only non-R1b one among the IA samples, belonging to HG I2a1a1a. This is probably a matter of luck, since most Celtiberians should be R1b too, but it’s still funny how elusive R1 seems to be among early Indo-Europeans.

    Plus, they postulate that some of these R1b adapted non-IE language already then (so the lonely R1b among Tartessians), but that would kind of exclude an “invasion”; invaders usually try to speak their own language as long as they can.

    Genetically speaking, they are in line with the Iberians, though the low sample count (only one male, R1b-M269) does not allow for further conclusions.

  481. @QCIC
    @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don't want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified?

    The Kevin Barrett Peter McCulloch interview a few weeks ago was very good from start to end. The best part was when they discussed the nuance of

    did they make it happen on purpose?
    or did they let it happen on purpose?

    That part of their discussion was isomorphic to one regarding the Sept 11 2001 terror project but they left that out.

  482. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    The number one conservative intellectual on Twitter, known as “Cat Turd”, has now come out in favour of the war is fake theory. 1.4 million followers!

    There’s a serious purge and public shaming of these types of voices coming and it can’t come soon enough. It’ll either come from the right before 2024 and perhaps Biden can be defeated in his re-election, or it’ll come in the years afterwards as conservatards learn to reflect in the wilderness.

    This is not a good time for anyone who isn’t a progressive liberal.

    Gas boomers in Russia are committing war crimes and ranting about Satan. Russian ultra-patriots are about to learn that those gas boomers are still yet somehow more realistic than them, especially as regards what the Russian people will put up with.

    American boomers think Satan has got a side gig as a dance choreographer for the Grammies. Meanwhile, other American conservatives are either shilling for Russian boomers or think the war isn’t real.

    On the other hand, European conservatives and harder rightists are doing fine, but keeping quiet, and desperately trying to avoid association with either.

    And the far, far right is led by a clown show collection of characters, including a psychotic black rapper who thinks child actors were sent in to pervert his children, an evolutionary biologist whose theory of world politics boils down to the narcissistic/borderline parent’s split of the good child (whites) versus the bad child (Jews) and this is regarded as high intellectualism, various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic, some schizo Jews with serious issues as regards their parents and loving the familiarity of going back to being Macdonald’s bad child, and various “based” black and brown grifters who are probably also attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic.

    Against this, the progressives have all of the crazy characters hyper-focused on by RW news sources, but also basically all academics, intellectuals and everyone with a serious job and not senile/in a bad divorce.

    Maybe it was better when RWers were banned from Twitter. They couldn’t humiliate themselves so badly and ruin the chances of ideas associated with them.

    However, as someone of profound faith, I know it’ll be fine and it is for the best. The crazy must run rampage until everyone is thoroughly sick of it and then these idiots are shunned from public life forever.

    Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course. At that point, all that will be left for us all will be to join turbo America in their SJW progressive cathedral arc towards something completely different. Not as bad as having to listen to Cat Turd, or think Macgregor is a prescient genius, but not exactly the future I prefer. Let’s not entertain crazy before it is too late.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course.
     
    But it might also be that in the longer term, both America and Russia will be weakened - America by ever growing submission to Woke and internal polarization and Russia by having a lousy result in the war. Then Europe will finally be free. The only risk is an overly assertive China.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic...
     
    Didn't Tom of Finland came of age during WW2 when there were a lot of soldiers around?

    https://imgur.com/a/WQnSBpX


    This image of Thorak's work is dedicated to S to thank him for his constructive criticism.

  483. @Triteleia Laxa
    The number one conservative intellectual on Twitter, known as "Cat Turd", has now come out in favour of the war is fake theory. 1.4 million followers!

    There's a serious purge and public shaming of these types of voices coming and it can't come soon enough. It'll either come from the right before 2024 and perhaps Biden can be defeated in his re-election, or it'll come in the years afterwards as conservatards learn to reflect in the wilderness.

    This is not a good time for anyone who isn't a progressive liberal.

    Gas boomers in Russia are committing war crimes and ranting about Satan. Russian ultra-patriots are about to learn that those gas boomers are still yet somehow more realistic than them, especially as regards what the Russian people will put up with.

    American boomers think Satan has got a side gig as a dance choreographer for the Grammies. Meanwhile, other American conservatives are either shilling for Russian boomers or think the war isn't real.

    On the other hand, European conservatives and harder rightists are doing fine, but keeping quiet, and desperately trying to avoid association with either.

    And the far, far right is led by a clown show collection of characters, including a psychotic black rapper who thinks child actors were sent in to pervert his children, an evolutionary biologist whose theory of world politics boils down to the narcissistic/borderline parent's split of the good child (whites) versus the bad child (Jews) and this is regarded as high intellectualism, various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic, some schizo Jews with serious issues as regards their parents and loving the familiarity of going back to being Macdonald's bad child, and various "based" black and brown grifters who are probably also attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic.

    Against this, the progressives have all of the crazy characters hyper-focused on by RW news sources, but also basically all academics, intellectuals and everyone with a serious job and not senile/in a bad divorce.

    Maybe it was better when RWers were banned from Twitter. They couldn't humiliate themselves so badly and ruin the chances of ideas associated with them.

    However, as someone of profound faith, I know it'll be fine and it is for the best. The crazy must run rampage until everyone is thoroughly sick of it and then these idiots are shunned from public life forever.

    Unfortunately, it'll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course. At that point, all that will be left for us all will be to join turbo America in their SJW progressive cathedral arc towards something completely different. Not as bad as having to listen to Cat Turd, or think Macgregor is a prescient genius, but not exactly the future I prefer. Let's not entertain crazy before it is too late.



    https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1629175986733416450?s=20

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course.

    But it might also be that in the longer term, both America and Russia will be weakened – America by ever growing submission to Woke and internal polarization and Russia by having a lousy result in the war. Then Europe will finally be free. The only risk is an overly assertive China.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @LatW



    Again that genre is subtly emasculating– and part of CCP’s game to keep Chinese men docile to rule over.

     

    Seriously? CCP would do that on purpose? I would think that they would do the opposite.
     
    You can see the wisdom of this. It isn't that East Asians are genetically less aggressive and warlike, and more docile and obedient, otherwise wouldn't leading this ignominious list.

    https://i.postimg.cc/nc3R7snV/Wars-by-Death-Toll-Chart.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

    Its rather culturally conditioned. By design that CCP want Chinese men to be pivoted towards less physical sports like ping-pong. East Asian women are actually somewhat dominant in wrestling so its hard to conclude that there's a genetic disadvantage in combat sports,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_and_Olympic_Champions_in_women%27s_freestyle_wrestling

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  484. @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course.
     
    But it might also be that in the longer term, both America and Russia will be weakened - America by ever growing submission to Woke and internal polarization and Russia by having a lousy result in the war. Then Europe will finally be free. The only risk is an overly assertive China.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Again that genre is subtly emasculating– and part of CCP’s game to keep Chinese men docile to rule over.

    Seriously? CCP would do that on purpose? I would think that they would do the opposite.

    You can see the wisdom of this. It isn’t that East Asians are genetically less aggressive and warlike, and more docile and obedient, otherwise wouldn’t leading this ignominious list.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

    Its rather culturally conditioned. By design that CCP want Chinese men to be pivoted towards less physical sports like ping-pong. East Asian women are actually somewhat dominant in wrestling so its hard to conclude that there’s a genetic disadvantage in combat sports,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_and_Olympic_Champions_in_women%27s_freestyle_wrestling

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    When you realise that the CCP's only concern is holding into domestic power, and that this is a lot more tenuous than the impression they give off, you understand their various policies.

    1. Keeping the one child policy until a geriatric population pyramid was created made for a much more submissive country.

    2. Despite inane culture war-style excuses made up after the fact, the great internet wall of China reduces idea exchange, creativity and was solely to keep control of information and therefore control of the country. Of course the small percentage of the population rich enough to send their kids to university abroad, and escape this censorship, were able to do so, but they're bought into the system. It is everyone else the CCP needed to keep ignorant.

    3. The positioning against America created a "big bad" that replaced Japan, as Japan no longer was big enough, but this is just a pose for domestic consumption. The CCP will not risk domestic unrest by making actual sacrifices for its phoney confrontation, like by providing arms to Russia or even recognising Crimea. Ultimately the US was perfectly happy to build China up, nd it was only the CCP's paranoia in power, and use of the US as a cartoon enemy that has muddied this fact.

    4. The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.

    5. The Covid policy was also absolutely about this. Not saving lives. Indeed, it got dropped at the first sign of protests, despite the population regaining immune nativity due to bad domestic vaccines and time length since vaccination. China got the worst of all worlds, but again, the CCP profited.

    I'm sure you can think of others, but, it is safe to say, if at any point the CCP weighs the interest of the CCP against that of the Chinese people, no matter how unbalanced the scale, the CCP side will win out.

    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China. A sensible Chinese government would respect this and, given China's huge economic potential, would try to woo them with extreme graciousness and love. But the CCP constantly threatens them with death and destruction because, let's be honest, Han brotherhood means nothing against CCP dominance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  485. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.
     
    There have always been lunatics, and the percentage has actually diminished, it is just that they're more able to enter the public conversation, and out themselves in the process.

    See my comment above about the popular journalists who are convinced there is no war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think there is a war, but I agree with the reporter’s observation that the coverage seems strange.

    The whole thing is strange.

    On the one hand we are on the brink of catastrophe, on the other hand life in Kiev is so stable that the president can fly in for a ridiculous photo op.

    Maybe the conspiracy theorists are correct about the portable crematoriums. The Israeli operatives steal the organs of any dead soldiers and then immediately cremate the bodies.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Kyiv is stable because Russia has spent a year failing to take Bakhmut, which is almost twice as far from Kyiv as Paris is from London.

    Indeed, Russia has failed to establish air superiority over Bakhmut, which, were they competent, they would have done 364 days ago.

    I hope now you understand why Russia cannot win this war and must go home.

    As for your theory that Israelis are sneaking in and stealing Russian soldiers' organs, before emergency cremations are done under Jewish Prigozhin's command, only a complete lunatic would think that. Obviously there is a lot of security in a war zone and that security would preclude such nonsense.

    Replies: @QCIC

  486. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @LatW



    Again that genre is subtly emasculating– and part of CCP’s game to keep Chinese men docile to rule over.

     

    Seriously? CCP would do that on purpose? I would think that they would do the opposite.
     
    You can see the wisdom of this. It isn't that East Asians are genetically less aggressive and warlike, and more docile and obedient, otherwise wouldn't leading this ignominious list.

    https://i.postimg.cc/nc3R7snV/Wars-by-Death-Toll-Chart.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

    Its rather culturally conditioned. By design that CCP want Chinese men to be pivoted towards less physical sports like ping-pong. East Asian women are actually somewhat dominant in wrestling so its hard to conclude that there's a genetic disadvantage in combat sports,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_and_Olympic_Champions_in_women%27s_freestyle_wrestling

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    When you realise that the CCP’s only concern is holding into domestic power, and that this is a lot more tenuous than the impression they give off, you understand their various policies.

    1. Keeping the one child policy until a geriatric population pyramid was created made for a much more submissive country.

    2. Despite inane culture war-style excuses made up after the fact, the great internet wall of China reduces idea exchange, creativity and was solely to keep control of information and therefore control of the country. Of course the small percentage of the population rich enough to send their kids to university abroad, and escape this censorship, were able to do so, but they’re bought into the system. It is everyone else the CCP needed to keep ignorant.

    3. The positioning against America created a “big bad” that replaced Japan, as Japan no longer was big enough, but this is just a pose for domestic consumption. The CCP will not risk domestic unrest by making actual sacrifices for its phoney confrontation, like by providing arms to Russia or even recognising Crimea. Ultimately the US was perfectly happy to build China up, nd it was only the CCP’s paranoia in power, and use of the US as a cartoon enemy that has muddied this fact.

    4. The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.

    5. The Covid policy was also absolutely about this. Not saving lives. Indeed, it got dropped at the first sign of protests, despite the population regaining immune nativity due to bad domestic vaccines and time length since vaccination. China got the worst of all worlds, but again, the CCP profited.

    I’m sure you can think of others, but, it is safe to say, if at any point the CCP weighs the interest of the CCP against that of the Chinese people, no matter how unbalanced the scale, the CCP side will win out.

    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China. A sensible Chinese government would respect this and, given China’s huge economic potential, would try to woo them with extreme graciousness and love. But the CCP constantly threatens them with death and destruction because, let’s be honest, Han brotherhood means nothing against CCP dominance.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.
     
    1. The Han people are all diehard CCP shills so I have very little sympathy there
    2. Xi seems to be a genuine Han nationalist
    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China.
     
    It's complicated Laxa. Tsai's opposition party, the pro-CCP pro-unification KMT has been gaining support,

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/20/taiwans-kmt-hopes-for-elections-boost-after-china-trip

    Do you know the history? Japanese considered Soviets and CCP to its nemesis. The Soviets didn't have to face a second front from 1937-45 (except at Nomanhan in 1939) and the CCP was able to survive because KMT took on brunt of the fighting against the Japanese.

    After the Japanese were kicked out in 1945, the Soviets wanted CCP and KMT to have a north-south split on the Yangtze River.

    But Mao kicked the Chiang off mainland anyways, by 1949. And KMT was only allowed to survive in 1950 when Stalin interrupted Mao's plan to invade Taiwan by giving Kim the go-ahead to invade ROK.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  487. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think there is a war, but I agree with the reporter's observation that the coverage seems strange.

    The whole thing is strange.

    On the one hand we are on the brink of catastrophe, on the other hand life in Kiev is so stable that the president can fly in for a ridiculous photo op.

    Maybe the conspiracy theorists are correct about the portable crematoriums. The Israeli operatives steal the organs of any dead soldiers and then immediately cremate the bodies.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Kyiv is stable because Russia has spent a year failing to take Bakhmut, which is almost twice as far from Kyiv as Paris is from London.

    Indeed, Russia has failed to establish air superiority over Bakhmut, which, were they competent, they would have done 364 days ago.

    I hope now you understand why Russia cannot win this war and must go home.

    As for your theory that Israelis are sneaking in and stealing Russian soldiers’ organs, before emergency cremations are done under Jewish Prigozhin’s command, only a complete lunatic would think that. Obviously there is a lot of security in a war zone and that security would preclude such nonsense.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The cremation comment was mostly gallows humor. Of course anyone doing such a thing would be part of the security. Hopefully such a horrible thing is not being done.

    I don't know much about Prigozhin. Do you think he is working with Zelensky?

  488. @Triteleia Laxa
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    When you realise that the CCP's only concern is holding into domestic power, and that this is a lot more tenuous than the impression they give off, you understand their various policies.

    1. Keeping the one child policy until a geriatric population pyramid was created made for a much more submissive country.

    2. Despite inane culture war-style excuses made up after the fact, the great internet wall of China reduces idea exchange, creativity and was solely to keep control of information and therefore control of the country. Of course the small percentage of the population rich enough to send their kids to university abroad, and escape this censorship, were able to do so, but they're bought into the system. It is everyone else the CCP needed to keep ignorant.

    3. The positioning against America created a "big bad" that replaced Japan, as Japan no longer was big enough, but this is just a pose for domestic consumption. The CCP will not risk domestic unrest by making actual sacrifices for its phoney confrontation, like by providing arms to Russia or even recognising Crimea. Ultimately the US was perfectly happy to build China up, nd it was only the CCP's paranoia in power, and use of the US as a cartoon enemy that has muddied this fact.

    4. The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.

    5. The Covid policy was also absolutely about this. Not saving lives. Indeed, it got dropped at the first sign of protests, despite the population regaining immune nativity due to bad domestic vaccines and time length since vaccination. China got the worst of all worlds, but again, the CCP profited.

    I'm sure you can think of others, but, it is safe to say, if at any point the CCP weighs the interest of the CCP against that of the Chinese people, no matter how unbalanced the scale, the CCP side will win out.

    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China. A sensible Chinese government would respect this and, given China's huge economic potential, would try to woo them with extreme graciousness and love. But the CCP constantly threatens them with death and destruction because, let's be honest, Han brotherhood means nothing against CCP dominance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.

    1. The Han people are all diehard CCP shills so I have very little sympathy there
    2. Xi seems to be a genuine Han nationalist

  489. So we can debate all day long about whether China is going to arm Russia, but if China actually goes down this road, that’s game over, right?

    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.
     
    It might depend on technological prowess. China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I'm wondering for what purpose, for killing Eastern European children in their beds in the future?). If Europe / Intermarium manage to build technologies in response to that, then they will be able to hold out.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Blinky Bill

    , @sudden death
    @Greasy William

    You're needlessly singling out US if operating under axis paradigm, cause it would be not US industry alone, but whole NATO(US+EU+UK+Canada)+Australia+Japan+maybe South Korea industrial capacities too.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

  490. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death


    High trust environment was completely destroyed even before the war by RF in 2021 when they decided to leave empty all Gazprom operated natgas storage facilities in EU before the winter, which was the main cause of natgas price spike.


    Situation could have been even worse because of this, but God was not happy with it and decided to make two very warm european winters in a row;)

     

    Wow, you dumb worthless dogshit of a satanist indivual. What a total liar freak.

    German court stopping NS2 from coming into action in August 2021, after constriction finished, was the ONLY reason of the price spike you serial dumb piece of shit. That's after using about 3 years of delaying tactics in the form of changing EU rules, legal delays, sanctions on staggered sanctions on various different players ,and so on you ridiculous scumbag.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It’s obviously hard for you to think clearly while suffering from coprolalia, but according to your own description those “3 years of NS delays” did not result in any price increases and 4th year would have been no any different if underground Gazprom natgas storages in EU were filled like they were filled all those years before and without having NS2.

    Not even to mention that price began to rise in spring and summer, way before NS2 court decision, as it was clear that storage fill-up was not started being done as it was usual in all previous years at that time.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death


    It’s obviously hard for you to think clearly while suffering from coprolalia, but according to your own description those “3 years of NS delays” did not result in any price increases and 4th year would have been no any different if underground Gazprom natgas storages in EU were filled like they were filled all those years before and without having NS2.

     

    Laughably shameless corrupt scumbag "logic"
    A german court ( nonsensically) stopping this half-German project from coming into operation is clearly much different to predictable delays from US sanctions, corrupt EU regulation changes and waiting for permits etc you stupid retarded idiot. Not allowing Europe's largest consumer of gas access to twice the amount of safer and cheaper ( from lack of transit fees, lack of transit through lunatic countries, long-term contract value from bulk) by stopping NS2 from operating is "not" price manipulation by corrupt excrement like yourself.......but a miniscule percentage of gas exported to EU for storage, an even more miniscule percentage of gas consumed by EU, instead being legally directed to Russian storage facilities for Russian market is "price manipulation", for a buyer that still had big access to he same supplier?LMAO

    Not even to mention that price began to rise in spring and summer, way before NS2 court decision, as it was clear that storage fill-up was not started being done as it was usual in all previous years at that time.
     
    The price SPIKE was caused ONLY by the German court decision you inept fuckhead, the price rise began earlier caused by a variety of different factors such as large gas volume used over a much colder winter, increased post-coronavirus demand and usage of LNG in Asia and subsequent knock-on effects on oil and gas benchmark prices plus supply issue ( Belarus events not exactly helpful either)

    A truly pitiful wakjob you are.
  491. @Greasy William
    So we can debate all day long about whether China is going to arm Russia, but if China actually goes down this road, that's game over, right?

    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.

    It might depend on technological prowess. China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I’m wondering for what purpose, for killing Eastern European children in their beds in the future?). If Europe / Intermarium manage to build technologies in response to that, then they will be able to hold out.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW

    China will never be able to match the technological or industrial potential of the West, but they don't need to. The Chinese are proud and tough whereas the West is degenerate and gay. The only Westerners willing to fight are the Ukrainians, the Poles and the Balts. And those groups can only fight if the West provides weapons and financial support, and we have no idea how long the Western states are willing to provide said support

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Blinky Bill
    @LatW


    China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I’m wondering for what purpose
     


    https://youtu.be/HJGNIpdx5js
  492. @Greasy William
    So we can debate all day long about whether China is going to arm Russia, but if China actually goes down this road, that's game over, right?

    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re needlessly singling out US if operating under axis paradigm, cause it would be not US industry alone, but whole NATO(US+EU+UK+Canada)+Australia+Japan+maybe South Korea industrial capacities too.

  493. @sudden death
    @German_reader


    And there’s no question the Germans massively underestimated the Soviet Union in 1941…after the initial euphoria, the size of Soviet forces, the quality of some of their weapons (there are stories of the absurd lengths some German units had to go to destroy even a few T-34s, because most German weapons weren’t all that effective against them…) and the extent of Soviet industrial power (see Hitler’s remarks in the recording of his talk with Mannerheim, about giant Soviet tank factories beyond what he could have imagined before Barbarossa) all came as a shock.
     
    It is all very understandable psychologically though - Hitler and Nazis had not one, but five succesful Crimeas in a row, then string of great purely military victories and became competely lightheaded because of this.

    Just look at Putin (and Karlin et al). prior 2022 Feb. as they managed to fry their brains completely just because of one Crimea and half of Donbass with Syria.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    It was either attack the Soviets or lose the war to the UK and Hitler understood that better than anyone else.

  494. Enlightening post by Adam Tooze on the image vs reality of Western aid to Ukraine: https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-197-the-ukraine-aid-reality?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2

    TLDR: It’s smaller than expected. As a proportion of GDP, Western nations have committed less on Ukraine than Gulf War, Vietnam War, Iraq War etc. Delivery of resources is far less than commitments. Poland and Eastern European countries doing more in proportion to GDP.

    [MORE]

    Key charts:

    Chart 1 – Total Bilateral Commitments and Refugee Costs

    Chart 2 – US Expenditure In Major Conflicts

    Chart 3 – Gulf War Expenditures

    • Thanks: Greasy William
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    This war is a controlled demolition coupled with a controlled burn of both RusFed and Ukiestan. Slavs did not need this. Somebody else did.

  495. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    You can direct this to Putin so he can withdraw his genocidal troops. And they don't consider you their brother anymore after all those murders of their children and all those smashed homes.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Oh don’t worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer. And my Ukrainian friends agree with me. Even those from Odessa. Because normal people dislike war.

    BTW, I have known war personally, ain’t gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That’s why I don’t like either.

    Speaking of Odessa, which I truly like (especially the Zelda Absinthe Bar), I recommend this Telegram channel:

    https://t.me/russ_orientalist/13675

    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre. Traveled a lot, settled in Moscow, did good business. Was the owner of the pub where Russian nationalists met. Was a good friend of Prosvirnin, probably knows Anatoly as well. A nice guy with the heart at the right place.

    [MORE]

    Вообще, к этому конфликту отлично применим термин – управляемый славянорез. Термин мне не нравится, но суть того что происходит с конца февраля 2022 он раскрывает вполне.

    С этой стороны – стабильная утилизация населения в бесконечных “мясных штурмах”, заведомо провальных и бессмысленных штурмах укреплённых за долгие годы локаций – крепостей. Сперва утилизировали донбасских “неучтенных”, наловленных на улицах и выдернутых с рабочих мест, когда основная масса “неучтенных” банально закончилась, моГилизировать пришлось уже самих россиян. Принципы утилизации при этом не поменялись.

    С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны – трупами моГилизированных забрасываются сёла и городки которые не факт, что устоят, но трупов сил на удержание требуют немерянно.

    Поддержка извне тоже многое может сказать о цели конфликта – ни одна из сторон в нем победить не сможет. Поставки вооружений Украине носят рекламно-демонстрационный характер, полностью исключающий какие либо неконтролируемые успехи ВСУ. Когда становится совсем тоскливо им – краник чуть чуть приоткрывают, когда чуть попускает – прикрывают.

    Я лично уверен, что сокращение славянского населения на постсоветском пространстве – одна из неназванных, но совсем не второстепенных целей происходящего безумия и увы, результат уже можно фиксировать. Демография славянского населения на территории Украины и РФ уже вряд ли восстановится. Остается лишь Белоруссия, как возможно, единственный в будущем регион с преобладающим славянским населением.

    Rien à rajouter…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Oh don’t worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer.
     
    😆

    Indeed... but in order for Time to be the Great Healer, the animosity needs to die down, but it won't (at least not in the near term future).


    BTW, I have known war personally, ain’t gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That’s why I don’t like either.
     
    Hm, maybe you've been to Chechnya... You don't have to answer, that's fine. Interesting... I thought you were some kind of a PhD.

    It's not about liking it... btw, very few are fit for war. Very few are fit to fly a plane. Etc. Most try to bail. It's a normal, natural reaction.

    Thanks for the link to Dimitriev, it's a good read. And, yes, the Zelda Bar in Odessa looks really cool. Reminds one of Baudelaire (and a few others...). Btw, Ukraine should be able to source its own absinthe, should be able to cultivate anise. The southern climate should be good for it.

    Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre.
     
    I don't want to start another conversation about this event, but I wanted to let you know that I've thought a lot about it. I understand that you may not want to hear or care (I accept that). The Ukrainian side was provoked by those who wanted secession, however, this doesn't justify full on murder or even accidental neglectful murder (I know that sometimes there is no other way but it's questionable if this was the case, to put it mildly). My firm belief is that the rioting had to be shut down much much earlier than when they got to the union building, frankly, I think it's the fault of the riot police (even though they say the police was sympathetic to the Russian side) who didn't do their job properly. Of course, it doesn't mean that those two warring sides would not have met somewhere else... but it didn't have to happen that way. And, of course, Russian nationalists would not be able to remain in this city.

    Even this Dimitriev is admitting that Ukrainians are defending themselves (С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны). I generally agree about the cruel and seemingly senseless nature of this but the Ukrainians have no other choice - it is their home and under a Russian occupation a lot of them would be killed anyway. I know that the Russian side have created a donor bank to freeze their material, I only wish the Ukrainians had had the capacity to do the same. Even if it would not be enough to mitigate the horrific damage that will be done.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre
     
    IIRC Dmitriev left UA in 2013 and even before Maidan, he had a post about, can't find the link atm.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  496. @Yahya
    Enlightening post by Adam Tooze on the image vs reality of Western aid to Ukraine: https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-197-the-ukraine-aid-reality?utm_source=%2Finbox&utm_medium=reader2

    TLDR: It’s smaller than expected. As a proportion of GDP, Western nations have committed less on Ukraine than Gulf War, Vietnam War, Iraq War etc. Delivery of resources is far less than commitments. Poland and Eastern European countries doing more in proportion to GDP.

    Key charts:

    Chart 1 - Total Bilateral Commitments and Refugee Costs


    https://i.ibb.co/82KF2NY/C83-E48-E0-5-A0-E-46-AB-BB36-F5-A5404-E5-D96.webp


    Chart 2 - US Expenditure In Major Conflicts


    https://i.ibb.co/yQYDWH4/59-C82-B27-E58-E-496-C-994-F-A50-EBF28-B7-B7.webp


    Chart 3 - Gulf War Expenditures

    https://i.ibb.co/s5GL2nQ/75-AF7714-BDEC-41-A2-BA41-E20-BE90236-A7.webp

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    This war is a controlled demolition coupled with a controlled burn of both RusFed and Ukiestan. Slavs did not need this. Somebody else did.

    • Agree: S
  497. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.
     
    It might depend on technological prowess. China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I'm wondering for what purpose, for killing Eastern European children in their beds in the future?). If Europe / Intermarium manage to build technologies in response to that, then they will be able to hold out.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Blinky Bill

    China will never be able to match the technological or industrial potential of the West, but they don’t need to. The Chinese are proud and tough whereas the West is degenerate and gay. The only Westerners willing to fight are the Ukrainians, the Poles and the Balts. And those groups can only fight if the West provides weapons and financial support, and we have no idea how long the Western states are willing to provide said support

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    No, you're fake and gay. Literally just another internet fantasist, playing mental Star Wars/Paradox games in your mind. There are serious volunteers from all around the world, fighting on the side of Ukraine. There are also serious donations raised for equipment, again from all around the world. But literally not one Chinese donation for Russia nor one Chinese volunteer.

    And please note, while Russia has not received a single Chinese donation nor volunteer, Ukraine has. Chinese have even volunteered to fight for Ukraine.

    Xi's coffees with Putin are classic CCP diplomacy. "We'll take your half price oil and make some platitudes in return", meanwhile one hundred percent of his actual focus is on keeping the CCP's tenuous grip on power. That's literally all he cares about, and falling for the cliché swine right propaganda of him actually being a self-sacrificing nationalist, who believes in the common Han man, is so clichéd of you! Daddy Xi, please save me! Don't neglect me again!

    https://www.difesaesicurezza.com/en/defence-and-security/ukraine-also-chinese-volunteers-in-the-international-legion-against-russia/

  498. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    This is the key here in the text of Juraj Krizhanic:


    They travel freely around the country and buy our goods at the cheapest price, and many useless and most expensive goods are brought to us: pearls, precious stones, and Venetian glass replacing [these] precious stones, and watches, and other useless things.
     
    Except those things are not perceived as "useless". Replace "pearls & Venetian glass" with Mercedes, Siemens, Roche & Bayer, IKEA, L'Oreal... etc, etc, and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas. This is the crux of the matter. Until this is solved, there is no point in lamenting.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas.

    Чёткие пацаны wear Adidas.

    Adidas – скрепа!

    No Adidas – no RusFed !

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Ivashka the fool



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsTESy0HCGpr17S6-dge7bVtbXR-ls0hC5ZA&usqp.jpg

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    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR7ITIQhoeQTUpH8zQ7Ol1BrZZQ6-azcR5GGA&usqp.jpg

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    German Sportswear.

    Three Stripe Life.

    Here’s a survey of various 70s and 80s subcultures bricolaged by Mark Leckey. Imagine the Squatting Slav moving through this timeline.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dS2McPYzEE

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

  499. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Greasy William
    So we can debate all day long about whether China is going to arm Russia, but if China actually goes down this road, that's game over, right?

    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique’s hold on power so they don’t get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin’s bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia’s bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP’s hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn’t realise how strong the reaction would be hasn’t thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China’s. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn’t just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people’s donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China’s support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China’s in every way. Russia can’t take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he’d cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can’t admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn’t a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don’t annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you’re not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We’re not in the Middle Ages, we’re not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that’s not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That’s that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia. This is in addition to China continuing to buy Russian energy and helping Russia with its sanctions busting.

    We're on a slippery slope and these things have a way of escalating

    Replies: @LatW

    , @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The American military is superior to China’s in every way
     
    US Navy just lowered its IQ minimum for recruits. How many years before they lower it again?

    Only chance for US in the long-term is to open up zones of biorealism now, in the smaller states, which people are fleeing. 110,000 left my state since Covid. About equivalent to the biggest city in Northern New England. 5th or 6th biggest here.
    , @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this.
    [..]
    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was.
     
    I was thinking about this the other day and realized that some politicians are just so used to seeing only "special operations" and limited (or not so limited) "humanitarian interventions" vs a real conventional war, that maybe it doesn't even occur to them that such large wars are actually possible, even if they are rare. Unlike Putin, the Russian military knew this - that's why General Ivashov warned against this "special operation", channeling sentiments from the RusFed's General Staff. Before February 2022, he even called on Putin to resign (in a country where you can go to jail for saying such things).

    The decision to invade was not a military decision, but a political (or even a messianic) one.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Star Wars is the Holy Bible of international liberal mythopoetics. It devolved into girl power in the final three instalments. The first three instalments were a very strange back story to Darth Vader.

    The original film that came out in the 1970s was a rip off (dam busters, hidden fortress and some Soviet partisan flicks) to be sure but certainly all about ww2’s plucky allies up against space Nazis and Imperial Japan. Reagan used it to condemn Moscow’s Evil Empire. It even contained a naive white boy saving a Jewish looking Princess and a fast talking Jewish drug smuggler. Perfect Cold War agitprop. Anti ballistic missiles were even called a Star Wars program.

    Wtf are you talking about?


    The fans of Star Wars all hate guys of authoritarian bent, like Vlad Putin.

    Nuland herself acts like Cary Fischer. Blinkin, Sullivan and perhaps even Biden imagine themselves as some type of Rebel Alliance.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Philip Owen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    China has a limited amount of time as a country with investment capital. It got old before it got rich and the workforce is now collapsing as never before in world history. China needs to invest.

    In 2013 China was beginning huge investments in agriculture, especially pigfarming in Ukraine, principally Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia. It was also planning two ports in Crimea. Money had changed hands. Putin's assault by proxy on the Donbas and Crimea broke those plans. Now they are destoyed beyuond recovery.

    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia's response has been modest. Uzbekistand has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China's options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.

    Russia is frustrating China's urgent interests. Xi was almost certainly not informed about the war until the last minute if that. The one person in the world (Kim apart) more actively monarchical and surrounded by Yes men than Putin is Xi. Putin will not have pleased Xi.

    China wants the war to end so that it can have a comfortable retirement. Hence the peace plan. It is not going to break its own sanctions over military equipment to Russia. It is going to, perhaps, supply a small quantity of dual use drones in an effort to exert some diplomatic pressure on Ukraine.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @LatW

  500. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia. This is in addition to China continuing to buy Russian energy and helping Russia with its sanctions busting.

    We’re on a slippery slope and these things have a way of escalating

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia.
     
    There is nothing concrete yet. But they may send something via a proxy such as North Korea.

    It's still a risk. Some of the goods they sell are indispensable, but many aren't. A lot of the Chinese consumer goods that we buy are just for fun, discretionary spending - we can replace 3 cheap Chinese items with 1 more expensive Western item. I wish we don't have to go that route, but we will if we have to.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  501. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @LatW

    China will never be able to match the technological or industrial potential of the West, but they don't need to. The Chinese are proud and tough whereas the West is degenerate and gay. The only Westerners willing to fight are the Ukrainians, the Poles and the Balts. And those groups can only fight if the West provides weapons and financial support, and we have no idea how long the Western states are willing to provide said support

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you’re fake and gay. Literally just another internet fantasist, playing mental Star Wars/Paradox games in your mind. There are serious volunteers from all around the world, fighting on the side of Ukraine. There are also serious donations raised for equipment, again from all around the world. But literally not one Chinese donation for Russia nor one Chinese volunteer.

    And please note, while Russia has not received a single Chinese donation nor volunteer, Ukraine has. Chinese have even volunteered to fight for Ukraine.

    Xi’s coffees with Putin are classic CCP diplomacy. “We’ll take your half price oil and make some platitudes in return”, meanwhile one hundred percent of his actual focus is on keeping the CCP’s tenuous grip on power. That’s literally all he cares about, and falling for the cliché swine right propaganda of him actually being a self-sacrificing nationalist, who believes in the common Han man, is so clichéd of you! Daddy Xi, please save me! Don’t neglect me again!

    https://www.difesaesicurezza.com/en/defence-and-security/ukraine-also-chinese-volunteers-in-the-international-legion-against-russia/

  502. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Oh don't worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer. And my Ukrainian friends agree with me. Even those from Odessa. Because normal people dislike war.

    BTW, I have known war personally, ain't gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That's why I don't like either.

    Speaking of Odessa, which I truly like (especially the Zelda Absinthe Bar), I recommend this Telegram channel:

    https://t.me/russ_orientalist/13675

    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre. Traveled a lot, settled in Moscow, did good business. Was the owner of the pub where Russian nationalists met. Was a good friend of Prosvirnin, probably knows Anatoly as well. A nice guy with the heart at the right place.



    Вообще, к этому конфликту отлично применим термин - управляемый славянорез. Термин мне не нравится, но суть того что происходит с конца февраля 2022 он раскрывает вполне.

    С этой стороны - стабильная утилизация населения в бесконечных "мясных штурмах", заведомо провальных и бессмысленных штурмах укреплённых за долгие годы локаций - крепостей. Сперва утилизировали донбасских "неучтенных", наловленных на улицах и выдернутых с рабочих мест, когда основная масса "неучтенных" банально закончилась, моГилизировать пришлось уже самих россиян. Принципы утилизации при этом не поменялись.

    С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны - трупами моГилизированных забрасываются сёла и городки которые не факт, что устоят, но трупов сил на удержание требуют немерянно.

    Поддержка извне тоже многое может сказать о цели конфликта - ни одна из сторон в нем победить не сможет. Поставки вооружений Украине носят рекламно-демонстрационный характер, полностью исключающий какие либо неконтролируемые успехи ВСУ. Когда становится совсем тоскливо им - краник чуть чуть приоткрывают, когда чуть попускает - прикрывают.

    Я лично уверен, что сокращение славянского населения на постсоветском пространстве - одна из неназванных, но совсем не второстепенных целей происходящего безумия и увы, результат уже можно фиксировать. Демография славянского населения на территории Украины и РФ уже вряд ли восстановится. Остается лишь Белоруссия, как возможно, единственный в будущем регион с преобладающим славянским населением.

    Rien à rajouter...

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    Oh don’t worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer.

    😆

    Indeed… but in order for Time to be the Great Healer, the animosity needs to die down, but it won’t (at least not in the near term future).

    [MORE]

    BTW, I have known war personally, ain’t gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That’s why I don’t like either.

    Hm, maybe you’ve been to Chechnya… You don’t have to answer, that’s fine. Interesting… I thought you were some kind of a PhD.

    It’s not about liking it… btw, very few are fit for war. Very few are fit to fly a plane. Etc. Most try to bail. It’s a normal, natural reaction.

    Thanks for the link to Dimitriev, it’s a good read. And, yes, the Zelda Bar in Odessa looks really cool. Reminds one of Baudelaire (and a few others…). Btw, Ukraine should be able to source its own absinthe, should be able to cultivate anise. The southern climate should be good for it.

    Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre.

    I don’t want to start another conversation about this event, but I wanted to let you know that I’ve thought a lot about it. I understand that you may not want to hear or care (I accept that). The Ukrainian side was provoked by those who wanted secession, however, this doesn’t justify full on murder or even accidental neglectful murder (I know that sometimes there is no other way but it’s questionable if this was the case, to put it mildly). My firm belief is that the rioting had to be shut down much much earlier than when they got to the union building, frankly, I think it’s the fault of the riot police (even though they say the police was sympathetic to the Russian side) who didn’t do their job properly. Of course, it doesn’t mean that those two warring sides would not have met somewhere else… but it didn’t have to happen that way. And, of course, Russian nationalists would not be able to remain in this city.

    Even this Dimitriev is admitting that Ukrainians are defending themselves (С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны). I generally agree about the cruel and seemingly senseless nature of this but the Ukrainians have no other choice – it is their home and under a Russian occupation a lot of them would be killed anyway. I know that the Russian side have created a donor bank to freeze their material, I only wish the Ukrainians had had the capacity to do the same. Even if it would not be enough to mitigate the horrific damage that will be done.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    I thought you were some kind of a PhD.
     
    What makes you think that ? I don’t recall having written anything about my professional experience. And I won't dwell on my wartime experience either. It ain't worth it. I have written about my grandfather who derived no pride in the fact that his battery shelled Germans during the siege of Leningrad and who told me that he sincerely wished he did hurt no one. He had a long and successful life, he was an exceptionally talented and strong-willed man. His portrait is near me as I write. He ended up frail, sickly but wise. The older I get, and the more I understand him. Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided. If ever done or witnessed, it should always be regretted and should never be made into some matter of pride, much less be encouraged in others or cheered about. It is bad karma doing that. Especially when it's brothers killing and hurting brothers. Dmitriev understands that because he has also known war (he's been to Syria). He's a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn't hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists. Possibly because he is a deeply devout Christian.

    Replies: @LatW

  503. @AP
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty
     
    Ashkenazi Jews (such as Zelensky) are not related to the Turkic Khazars but are a mix of roughly 45% Italians, 45% Semites, and 10% Northern Euros (including Slavs). They came to Ukraine from the West.

    The Turkic Jewish Karaites of Crimea, whom the Nazis spared because they weren’t Semitic Jews, may have been related to the Khazars.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Ivashka the fool

    Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen is somewhat analogous, she’s part Taiwanese aboriginal and a Japanophile, so came from the opposite direction.

    One 25-year old Taiwanese lad has fallen for Ukraine in Sievierodonetsk. He was a Taiwanese indigenous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tseng_Sheng-guang

    A comrade of his, a 29-year old Japanese volunteer ドブレ Dobure was in 49th Infantry Battalion also KIA

    私が持っている写真はこれで全部です
    私は彼の魂と共に終戦まで戦います

    These are all the pictures I have.
    I will fight with his spirit until the end of the war.

    [MORE]

  504. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    The American military is superior to China’s in every way

    US Navy just lowered its IQ minimum for recruits. How many years before they lower it again?

    Only chance for US in the long-term is to open up zones of biorealism now, in the smaller states, which people are fleeing. 110,000 left my state since Covid. About equivalent to the biggest city in Northern New England. 5th or 6th biggest here.

  505. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Oh don't worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer. And my Ukrainian friends agree with me. Even those from Odessa. Because normal people dislike war.

    BTW, I have known war personally, ain't gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That's why I don't like either.

    Speaking of Odessa, which I truly like (especially the Zelda Absinthe Bar), I recommend this Telegram channel:

    https://t.me/russ_orientalist/13675

    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre. Traveled a lot, settled in Moscow, did good business. Was the owner of the pub where Russian nationalists met. Was a good friend of Prosvirnin, probably knows Anatoly as well. A nice guy with the heart at the right place.



    Вообще, к этому конфликту отлично применим термин - управляемый славянорез. Термин мне не нравится, но суть того что происходит с конца февраля 2022 он раскрывает вполне.

    С этой стороны - стабильная утилизация населения в бесконечных "мясных штурмах", заведомо провальных и бессмысленных штурмах укреплённых за долгие годы локаций - крепостей. Сперва утилизировали донбасских "неучтенных", наловленных на улицах и выдернутых с рабочих мест, когда основная масса "неучтенных" банально закончилась, моГилизировать пришлось уже самих россиян. Принципы утилизации при этом не поменялись.

    С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны - трупами моГилизированных забрасываются сёла и городки которые не факт, что устоят, но трупов сил на удержание требуют немерянно.

    Поддержка извне тоже многое может сказать о цели конфликта - ни одна из сторон в нем победить не сможет. Поставки вооружений Украине носят рекламно-демонстрационный характер, полностью исключающий какие либо неконтролируемые успехи ВСУ. Когда становится совсем тоскливо им - краник чуть чуть приоткрывают, когда чуть попускает - прикрывают.

    Я лично уверен, что сокращение славянского населения на постсоветском пространстве - одна из неназванных, но совсем не второстепенных целей происходящего безумия и увы, результат уже можно фиксировать. Демография славянского населения на территории Украины и РФ уже вряд ли восстановится. Остается лишь Белоруссия, как возможно, единственный в будущем регион с преобладающим славянским населением.

    Rien à rajouter...

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre

    IIRC Dmitriev left UA in 2013 and even before Maidan, he had a post about, can’t find the link atm.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    I remember reading that he left Odessa in 2014. But perhaps I am wrong. My memory worsened lately.

  506. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    Russia Today argues that India is about to abandon support for Russia and that Modi is telling Russia to go home.

    https://www.rt.com/india/572068-message-putin-modi-quote/

    China tells Head of EU diplomacy its policy in arming Russia:

    “I can only repeat what he told me: China is not providing arms for Russia and it will not provide arms to Russia because it’s part of their foreign policy not to arm parties in a conflict,” he said. “We have to remain vigilant.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/23/year-into-ukraine-war-china-says-not-sending-weapons-to-russia

    Doubtless China did explore this option, as they will have explored every option, and America got hold of their explorations and will now make them pay in the international press. This has already happened twice during this war and is the normal tit for tat diplomacy that everyone seems to love.

    Songbird: sorry but your HBD concerns don’t matter for this conflict. Trying to shoe-horn them in will just make you look weird and obsessive. And I actually agree with the basic facts of HBD as laid out by people like Sailer. Although I also recognise that genetic engineering will be common in 30 years and the major problems of ignoring HBD will still be a long way off at that point, given that it is basically the smart fraction that matters.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ukraine is just the current fad of the state department. It won't last forever, and everyone and their mother know that the US is already moving on to seeing China as its biggest geostrategic rival.

    You seem to be cheerleading the confrontation. All this rhetoric, and there is a lot of it out there, seems preparatory. This is exactly what they are saying in the Beltway: US will stomp China.

    As someone who is observing the decline, firsthand, I understand this isn't healthy rhetoric. The joke is nearly true: China could destabilize most of the country with a single package of Sharpies.

    Continued faith in a technical edge just shows desperation that one can't put it into anything else. And it is mental retardation to think, as the Zeihans do, that it will continue forever. Globalization makes corporate espionage easier than ever. Hard physical limits, like the end of Moore's Law are going to slow progress. China will catch up.

    I don't relish the thought of the US realizing this the hard way. And don't think it is good to encourage these status competitions that have nothing to do with us.

    BTW, seems very naive of you to believe America is about to solve its problems with genetic engineering. Even if it were technically feasible or desirable, every indication is that it wouldn't be politically possible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

  507. @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia. This is in addition to China continuing to buy Russian energy and helping Russia with its sanctions busting.

    We're on a slippery slope and these things have a way of escalating

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia.

    There is nothing concrete yet. But they may send something via a proxy such as North Korea.

    It’s still a risk. Some of the goods they sell are indispensable, but many aren’t. A lot of the Chinese consumer goods that we buy are just for fun, discretionary spending – we can replace 3 cheap Chinese items with 1 more expensive Western item. I wish we don’t have to go that route, but we will if we have to.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    A lot of the Chinese consumer goods that we buy are just for fun, discretionary spending – we can replace 3 cheap Chinese items with 1 more expensive Western item
     
    It's not an issue of what we can do, but rather what we will do. The West may be to degenerate and gay to triumph in a long war.
  508. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this.
    [..]
    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was.

    I was thinking about this the other day and realized that some politicians are just so used to seeing only “special operations” and limited (or not so limited) “humanitarian interventions” vs a real conventional war, that maybe it doesn’t even occur to them that such large wars are actually possible, even if they are rare. Unlike Putin, the Russian military knew this – that’s why General Ivashov warned against this “special operation”, channeling sentiments from the RusFed’s General Staff. Before February 2022, he even called on Putin to resign (in a country where you can go to jail for saying such things).

    The decision to invade was not a military decision, but a political (or even a messianic) one.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn't the only one.

    There are many people in RusFed who are against this war for different reasons. Priannikov writes against it since the day one. Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine. Roman Yuneman spoke against it, although like his friend Dmitriev he also clearly stated that as a nationalist he cannot wish for the defeat of his country. Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.

    Many younger people are against it. The demographic category which is nearly in full support of war are the "patriotic pensioners", the social category that support it most are the "budgetniki" (state companies' workers, functionaries and social workers), the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan, are not the whole spectrum of society on either side. And this is why there's hope that one day this madness would stop.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail. Even though some usual suspects are ratcheting war propaganda to levels not witnessed since Ilya Ehrenburg.

    As usual, spewing hatred is what these types do best. The Dark Triade's a bitch to carry in one's psyche...

    Replies: @LatW

  509. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Oh don’t worry, time will heal these unnecessary and unjustifiable wounds, time is the Great Healer.
     
    😆

    Indeed... but in order for Time to be the Great Healer, the animosity needs to die down, but it won't (at least not in the near term future).


    BTW, I have known war personally, ain’t gonna write about it, but I had my share of war-related adrenalin. And I also know violence. That’s why I don’t like either.
     
    Hm, maybe you've been to Chechnya... You don't have to answer, that's fine. Interesting... I thought you were some kind of a PhD.

    It's not about liking it... btw, very few are fit for war. Very few are fit to fly a plane. Etc. Most try to bail. It's a normal, natural reaction.

    Thanks for the link to Dimitriev, it's a good read. And, yes, the Zelda Bar in Odessa looks really cool. Reminds one of Baudelaire (and a few others...). Btw, Ukraine should be able to source its own absinthe, should be able to cultivate anise. The southern climate should be good for it.

    Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre.
     
    I don't want to start another conversation about this event, but I wanted to let you know that I've thought a lot about it. I understand that you may not want to hear or care (I accept that). The Ukrainian side was provoked by those who wanted secession, however, this doesn't justify full on murder or even accidental neglectful murder (I know that sometimes there is no other way but it's questionable if this was the case, to put it mildly). My firm belief is that the rioting had to be shut down much much earlier than when they got to the union building, frankly, I think it's the fault of the riot police (even though they say the police was sympathetic to the Russian side) who didn't do their job properly. Of course, it doesn't mean that those two warring sides would not have met somewhere else... but it didn't have to happen that way. And, of course, Russian nationalists would not be able to remain in this city.

    Even this Dimitriev is admitting that Ukrainians are defending themselves (С той стороны аналогичная история но от обороны). I generally agree about the cruel and seemingly senseless nature of this but the Ukrainians have no other choice - it is their home and under a Russian occupation a lot of them would be killed anyway. I know that the Russian side have created a donor bank to freeze their material, I only wish the Ukrainians had had the capacity to do the same. Even if it would not be enough to mitigate the horrific damage that will be done.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I thought you were some kind of a PhD.

    What makes you think that ? I don’t recall having written anything about my professional experience. And I won’t dwell on my wartime experience either. It ain’t worth it. I have written about my grandfather who derived no pride in the fact that his battery shelled Germans during the siege of Leningrad and who told me that he sincerely wished he did hurt no one. He had a long and successful life, he was an exceptionally talented and strong-willed man. His portrait is near me as I write. He ended up frail, sickly but wise. The older I get, and the more I understand him. Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided. If ever done or witnessed, it should always be regretted and should never be made into some matter of pride, much less be encouraged in others or cheered about. It is bad karma doing that. Especially when it’s brothers killing and hurting brothers. Dmitriev understands that because he has also known war (he’s been to Syria). He’s a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn’t hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists. Possibly because he is a deeply devout Christian.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    What makes you think that ?
     
    For some reason I got that impression, based on some of your writing. Of course, that wouldn't exclude you having been to war at some point.

    Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided.
     
    This is why everyone's home needs to be respected.

    He’s a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn’t hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    It's not about hating, it's about feeling entitled to another's space.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  510. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    The admin is an Odessite, born and raised. Had to run for his life in 2014 after the May massacre
     
    IIRC Dmitriev left UA in 2013 and even before Maidan, he had a post about, can't find the link atm.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I remember reading that he left Odessa in 2014. But perhaps I am wrong. My memory worsened lately.

  511. @Triteleia Laxa
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    When you realise that the CCP's only concern is holding into domestic power, and that this is a lot more tenuous than the impression they give off, you understand their various policies.

    1. Keeping the one child policy until a geriatric population pyramid was created made for a much more submissive country.

    2. Despite inane culture war-style excuses made up after the fact, the great internet wall of China reduces idea exchange, creativity and was solely to keep control of information and therefore control of the country. Of course the small percentage of the population rich enough to send their kids to university abroad, and escape this censorship, were able to do so, but they're bought into the system. It is everyone else the CCP needed to keep ignorant.

    3. The positioning against America created a "big bad" that replaced Japan, as Japan no longer was big enough, but this is just a pose for domestic consumption. The CCP will not risk domestic unrest by making actual sacrifices for its phoney confrontation, like by providing arms to Russia or even recognising Crimea. Ultimately the US was perfectly happy to build China up, nd it was only the CCP's paranoia in power, and use of the US as a cartoon enemy that has muddied this fact.

    4. The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.

    5. The Covid policy was also absolutely about this. Not saving lives. Indeed, it got dropped at the first sign of protests, despite the population regaining immune nativity due to bad domestic vaccines and time length since vaccination. China got the worst of all worlds, but again, the CCP profited.

    I'm sure you can think of others, but, it is safe to say, if at any point the CCP weighs the interest of the CCP against that of the Chinese people, no matter how unbalanced the scale, the CCP side will win out.

    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China. A sensible Chinese government would respect this and, given China's huge economic potential, would try to woo them with extreme graciousness and love. But the CCP constantly threatens them with death and destruction because, let's be honest, Han brotherhood means nothing against CCP dominance.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China.

    It’s complicated Laxa. Tsai’s opposition party, the pro-CCP pro-unification KMT has been gaining support,

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/20/taiwans-kmt-hopes-for-elections-boost-after-china-trip

    Do you know the history? Japanese considered Soviets and CCP to its nemesis. The Soviets didn’t have to face a second front from 1937-45 (except at Nomanhan in 1939) and the CCP was able to survive because KMT took on brunt of the fighting against the Japanese.

    After the Japanese were kicked out in 1945, the Soviets wanted CCP and KMT to have a north-south split on the Yangtze River.

    But Mao kicked the Chiang off mainland anyways, by 1949. And KMT was only allowed to survive in 1950 when Stalin interrupted Mao’s plan to invade Taiwan by giving Kim the go-ahead to invade ROK.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    KMT are not pro-CCP. They're pro themselves ruling China. And of course, they're gaining support. They're one of two major parties and the other has been in power for a while. The KMT were actually in power in 2015, and many times before, and didn't let China annex Taiwan, despite Xi not having revealed his deceptive nature in Hong Kong yet. Would Taiwan one day choose to be annexed by China? Not while the CCP remain in power and not while China has a living standard about a quarter as good.

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible,"

    Sounds popular!

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  512. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China.
     
    It's complicated Laxa. Tsai's opposition party, the pro-CCP pro-unification KMT has been gaining support,

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/20/taiwans-kmt-hopes-for-elections-boost-after-china-trip

    Do you know the history? Japanese considered Soviets and CCP to its nemesis. The Soviets didn't have to face a second front from 1937-45 (except at Nomanhan in 1939) and the CCP was able to survive because KMT took on brunt of the fighting against the Japanese.

    After the Japanese were kicked out in 1945, the Soviets wanted CCP and KMT to have a north-south split on the Yangtze River.

    But Mao kicked the Chiang off mainland anyways, by 1949. And KMT was only allowed to survive in 1950 when Stalin interrupted Mao's plan to invade Taiwan by giving Kim the go-ahead to invade ROK.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    KMT are not pro-CCP. They’re pro themselves ruling China. And of course, they’re gaining support. They’re one of two major parties and the other has been in power for a while. The KMT were actually in power in 2015, and many times before, and didn’t let China annex Taiwan, despite Xi not having revealed his deceptive nature in Hong Kong yet. Would Taiwan one day choose to be annexed by China? Not while the CCP remain in power and not while China has a living standard about a quarter as good.

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University’s Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China “as soon as possible,”

    Sounds popular!

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Laxa hon', you have me mistaken for Han nationalist, a typical Han nationalist has this physiognomy, pasty dorks who get stuffed in lockers in real life,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp4fYtMQW9M

    Han Chinese tend to not reflect on their past fails. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were the two greatest disasters in 3,500 years of Chinese history and nary a film book has been produced about it. Under Xi tragedy/farce could repeat again.

    Our East Slavic friends tend to also not reflect on their past fails. In 1903 the Russians brusquely refused Itō Hirobumi’s proposal of Mankan kōkan ron 満韓交換論 “the exchange of Manchuria to Russia for recognition of Korea as a protectorate of Japan”. The attitude was “what’s mine is mine, what yours is also mine.”

    If that concession had been made, then no Russo-Japanese War, no Bolshevik takeover, and no CCP.

    The reality is that Taiwan is not even that important for the PRC, in fact Russia is not that important for the PRC, who does much more trade with Japan/SK/ASEAN,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

  513. @AP
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Someone from the Rus’ Khaganate, which is already sort of a Turco-Mongol dynasty
     
    Ashkenazi Jews (such as Zelensky) are not related to the Turkic Khazars but are a mix of roughly 45% Italians, 45% Semites, and 10% Northern Euros (including Slavs). They came to Ukraine from the West.

    The Turkic Jewish Karaites of Crimea, whom the Nazis spared because they weren’t Semitic Jews, may have been related to the Khazars.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Ivashka the fool

    The Karaite were spared because they were not Talmudic Jews, not because they were not Semites. The Karaites are descended from the Jews of the Abbasid Caliphate, whose Rosh HaGola had renounced the Talmud and embraced the reading and teaching of the Torah for all members of the community. IIRC it happened in the 10th or 11th century AD. Before him, the Torah was considered as secondary to the Talmud and was mainly read by the Rabbis and the literati. Hence the name of the Sect, Karaim – Readers. The Karaim were also sincere and patriotic citizens of the Russian Empire who seved it often in the military. Nazis had no reason to go after them. And BTW, Nazis had nothing against Semites per se, they got along well with Arabs. They even got along with right-wing Zionists and tried to negotiate a repatriation to Palestine for all those interested.

    https://www.kedem-auctions.com/en/content/nazi-medallion-swastika-and-star-david%E2%80%93-nazi-travels-palestine-1934

    The American and Soviet take on the Holocaust is BS.

    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    The American and Soviet take on the Holocaust is BS.
     
    For decades after the US Civil War of 1861-65, and in regards to the Union POW's held by the Confederacy during that war, the US South was forever being harangued in the corporate media of the day.

    The many accusations revolved around 'the camps', the 'cattle cars', the shooting down of prisoners for sport by one major camp's commanding officer, the health measures put in place to preserve the Union POW's lives, such as vaccination against disease, being turned upside down into cleverly disguised instruments of mass murder, ie 'poisonous injections', and most importantly, the planned mass murder of the POW's by way of their deliberate starvation.

    If it all sounds rather familiar, well, it should.

    The only problem about these accusations is that they simply were not true, and this is generally now acknowledged to be the case, though, not too loudly.
  514. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    I thought you were some kind of a PhD.
     
    What makes you think that ? I don’t recall having written anything about my professional experience. And I won't dwell on my wartime experience either. It ain't worth it. I have written about my grandfather who derived no pride in the fact that his battery shelled Germans during the siege of Leningrad and who told me that he sincerely wished he did hurt no one. He had a long and successful life, he was an exceptionally talented and strong-willed man. His portrait is near me as I write. He ended up frail, sickly but wise. The older I get, and the more I understand him. Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided. If ever done or witnessed, it should always be regretted and should never be made into some matter of pride, much less be encouraged in others or cheered about. It is bad karma doing that. Especially when it's brothers killing and hurting brothers. Dmitriev understands that because he has also known war (he's been to Syria). He's a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn't hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists. Possibly because he is a deeply devout Christian.

    Replies: @LatW

    What makes you think that ?

    For some reason I got that impression, based on some of your writing. Of course, that wouldn’t exclude you having been to war at some point.

    Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided.

    This is why everyone’s home needs to be respected.

    He’s a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn’t hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists.

    It’s not about hating, it’s about feeling entitled to another’s space.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    everyone’s home needs to be respected.
     
    Yes. Everyone's.

    https://rutvit.com/upload/images/2022/07/c7dKMu4Pne1buW3R9BnM_27_03e1d7b995330b9bf4bcdb213b8d308c_image_original.jpg

    Donbass and Lugansk Goyim included.

    Replies: @LatW

  515. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    You left out the most plausible explanation.
    There is “zero, zip, nada” to find. It was a complex, industrial accident.
     
    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
    Other hypotheses?

    Replies: @A123

    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.

    Let me fix that for you.

    The probability of a “complex industrial accident” happening within one day IN ONE CONTROL ROOM is about the same as the probability of water being wet.

    Everyone notices that you still haven’t answered any of the critical questions about your obviously bogus attack theory. Try to be serious and answer the questions this time:

    • Why was the timing 17 hours apart
    • Why was the geography 50 miles apart
    • Why were only 3 of 4 pipes ? And, if you say that is a failure why has the unexploded ordinance not Bern recovered?

    Why do you cower in fear when these questions are asked? They are not going away. And, attack theories are ludicrous if they do not cover the observed facts.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    These are fair questions but they don't seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.

    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?

    Replies: @A123

  516. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Well, before yesterday I would have agreed with most of what you said but it does appear that China is going to provide some arms to Russia.
     
    There is nothing concrete yet. But they may send something via a proxy such as North Korea.

    It's still a risk. Some of the goods they sell are indispensable, but many aren't. A lot of the Chinese consumer goods that we buy are just for fun, discretionary spending - we can replace 3 cheap Chinese items with 1 more expensive Western item. I wish we don't have to go that route, but we will if we have to.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    A lot of the Chinese consumer goods that we buy are just for fun, discretionary spending – we can replace 3 cheap Chinese items with 1 more expensive Western item

    It’s not an issue of what we can do, but rather what we will do. The West may be to degenerate and gay to triumph in a long war.

  517. @QCIC
    @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis? I don't want to fall into the bandwagon fallacy, but to be fair your explanation seems technically weak. Do you have references?

    As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis?

    I have been around heavy industry, though not specifically pipelines.
    _____

    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a “weak” hypotheses?

    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like “weak”, I might be help improve your understanding. For example:

    — “Why were all four pipes at risk at the same time?” —

    Odds are that Moscow was reducing pressure in all four tubes to recover material for sale on other markets. This type of controlled unloading can take days or even weeks.

    — “Why 17 hours?” —

    While the exact timing was not knowable in advance, the unloading had likely been happening for days. Even though the operators reacted after the first rupture, the die had already been cast. They were probably repressurising, which is the right idea, but could not do it fast enough.
    ___

    These are of course guesses, but they are reasonable ones.

    PEACE 😇

    P.S. This thread is quite unstable on my ancient mobile device. If it becomes unreadable, you may need to recycle your query in the next OT.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I have pipeline fatigue reading your messages. However, the references look promising and the second one is what I was looking for.

    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating

    Maybe we will find out what actually happened. If your theory is correct I think this information will come out someday. It might cause changes to pipeline insurance requirements and other obscure things which could be tracked by experts in the field. Intentional demolition might be denied forever. This reminds me somewhat of the Navy shoot down of the Iranian airliner.

    I consider Hersh to be a complex source since his revelations are based on insider information which can be useful but must be weighed carefully.

    Replies: @A123

  518. @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this.
    [..]
    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was.
     
    I was thinking about this the other day and realized that some politicians are just so used to seeing only "special operations" and limited (or not so limited) "humanitarian interventions" vs a real conventional war, that maybe it doesn't even occur to them that such large wars are actually possible, even if they are rare. Unlike Putin, the Russian military knew this - that's why General Ivashov warned against this "special operation", channeling sentiments from the RusFed's General Staff. Before February 2022, he even called on Putin to resign (in a country where you can go to jail for saying such things).

    The decision to invade was not a military decision, but a political (or even a messianic) one.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn’t the only one.

    There are many people in RusFed who are against this war for different reasons. Priannikov writes against it since the day one. Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine. Roman Yuneman spoke against it, although like his friend Dmitriev he also clearly stated that as a nationalist he cannot wish for the defeat of his country. Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.

    Many younger people are against it. The demographic category which is nearly in full support of war are the “patriotic pensioners”, the social category that support it most are the “budgetniki” (state companies’ workers, functionaries and social workers), the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan, are not the whole spectrum of society on either side. And this is why there’s hope that one day this madness would stop.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail. Even though some usual suspects are ratcheting war propaganda to levels not witnessed since Ilya Ehrenburg.

    As usual, spewing hatred is what these types do best. The Dark Triade’s a bitch to carry in one’s psyche…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    The point is not just who is for or against the war - the deeper issue is whether one wishes well to Ukrainians or not, whether one respects Ukrainians as a people who are entitled to their country or not.


    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn’t the only one.
     
    The reason I like and respect Ivashov, despite of him being a "Sovok" and all that, is because he argued in good will, not out of necessity or utility. There may have been others in the General Staff who may have advised against invading Ukraine, but that could've been because they knew what state the military was in and not because they wanted to spare Ukraine. But Ivashov argued in good faith, out of kindness, and also warning that this is a risk for Russia. He also took a risk himself - he called on Putin to resign, way before it became clear how crazy this decision was, knowing full well he could get into trouble for that, but because he is so well regarded in the military circles, he was not touched. Yet it feels that he wasn't able to say as much as he wanted or as sternly as would've been fit.

    Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine.
     
    Nesminyan is another one I like, for his sheer humanity, even though he is also on the so called "Sovok" camp or whatever (meaning supportive of the preservation of the SU). I wasn't sure if he was Armenian or Russian citizen. He has interesting, anti-oligarchic thoughts.

    Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.
     
    The artists split up. Some are serving Putin, but BG left Russia, Alla Borisovna left (that's a big one), many young ones, too. It's very difficult to stand up against it, you can get 15 years without parole.


    the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.
     
    It doesn't surprise me at all, I am well aware that there are a lot of very spirited older Russian women out there. LOL What scares me is that some crazy old Russian lady screams at her end, but as a result of that a young Ukrainian child dies or a young father. To me that is totally unacceptable.

    Well, whoever those groups are, they say up to 70% support the "Special Military Operation". I'm starting to doubt that the number is that high, but it is high either way. We're not talking about "defending" Donbas, but things like taking over Kyiv and eliminating a significant number of Ukrainians which propaganda outlets have called out for.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan
     
    Well, Gordon is not the same as Shapiro. Shapiro is aggressive, Gordon is defensive. Of course, at this point, after everything that's been done to Ukraine, some of the things Gordon says are not helping for future peace & friendship, to put it mildly. But he's not the one agitating bombing a neighboring country. The Ukrainians made some mistakes (all that кто не скачит тот москаль and москаляку на гиляку before the war was way overboard, in my country there could be at least an administrative penalty for acting out that way in public if not something more serious), but their current defensiveness and anger are justified.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail.
     
    Things will clear out in the end... there should've been more love. Or alternately, make some space for the other.

    The Dark Triade’s a bitch to carry in one’s psyche…
     
    I'm not sure you can give that up once you have it in your psyche. Such things exist in every society, that's why it's important to respect each other's space.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  519. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    What makes you think that ?
     
    For some reason I got that impression, based on some of your writing. Of course, that wouldn't exclude you having been to war at some point.

    Killing people is bad even though sometimes it cannot be avoided.
     
    This is why everyone's home needs to be respected.

    He’s a hard-core Russian nationalist and he doesn’t hate Ukrainians, not even Ukrainian nationalists.
     
    It's not about hating, it's about feeling entitled to another's space.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    everyone’s home needs to be respected.

    Yes. Everyone’s.

    [MORE]


    Donbass and Lugansk Goyim included.

    • Agree: LatW
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't disagree, and I actually see the fate of those victims (there were quite a few such as Anna Tuv and other wives, mothers), largely as a women's issue. But of course not exclusively. Ukraine was forced to defend itself, but I wonder if there was any other way (such as a special forces operation prior to the insurgents being armed by RF, there was a brief moment for such a possibility).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  520. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Kyiv is stable because Russia has spent a year failing to take Bakhmut, which is almost twice as far from Kyiv as Paris is from London.

    Indeed, Russia has failed to establish air superiority over Bakhmut, which, were they competent, they would have done 364 days ago.

    I hope now you understand why Russia cannot win this war and must go home.

    As for your theory that Israelis are sneaking in and stealing Russian soldiers' organs, before emergency cremations are done under Jewish Prigozhin's command, only a complete lunatic would think that. Obviously there is a lot of security in a war zone and that security would preclude such nonsense.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The cremation comment was mostly gallows humor. Of course anyone doing such a thing would be part of the security. Hopefully such a horrible thing is not being done.

    I don’t know much about Prigozhin. Do you think he is working with Zelensky?

  521. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    The probability of “complex industrial accident” happening within one day on three different pipes is about the same as the probability of a coin thrown in heads-or-tails game stopping and hanging in midair.
     
    Let me fix that for you.

    The probability of a “complex industrial accident” happening within one day IN ONE CONTROL ROOM is about the same as the probability of water being wet.

    Everyone notices that you still haven't answered any of the critical questions about your obviously bogus attack theory. Try to be serious and answer the questions this time:

    • Why was the timing 17 hours apart
    • Why was the geography 50 miles apart
    • Why were only 3 of 4 pipes ? And, if you say that is a failure why has the unexploded ordinance not Bern recovered?

    Why do you cower in fear when these questions are asked? They are not going away. And, attack theories are ludicrous if they do not cover the observed facts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.

    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.
     
    • What valid attack scenario has a spread of 50 miles when the geography could have been easily more compact?

    • What valid attack scenario has a 17 hour time frame when it could have been shorter, ideally simultaneous?

    Refusing to answer these question is a 100% terminal death blow to the validity of poorly constructed, implausible attack conspiracies.

    If you believe these questions are not an issue -- Please explain why an attack chose this timing & geography, rather than better and more straightforward options.


    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?
     
    No. The KGB is sneaky and good, but not that hyper efficient.

    I am saying that the pipeline controls for all 4 tubes were given similar settings based on a Moscow order to recover saleable gas. Rubles Rule... Somebody made a seemingly sound commercial decision. How many fck up stories start, "It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then..."?

    Likely 100+ hours into the unloading sequence the first hydrate plug released creating a blow out. Odds are good the operators tried to reverse the action and started switching around to repressurize the lines. However, it would have taken another 100+ hours, possibly more, to get that done. Before the attempted save had a chance to rebalance the system, the other plugs went.

    That one of the newest pieces of NS2 equipment survived the operational event is consistent with the industrial accidents. Old and poorly maintained equipment is statistically much more vulnerable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

  522. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn't the only one.

    There are many people in RusFed who are against this war for different reasons. Priannikov writes against it since the day one. Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine. Roman Yuneman spoke against it, although like his friend Dmitriev he also clearly stated that as a nationalist he cannot wish for the defeat of his country. Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.

    Many younger people are against it. The demographic category which is nearly in full support of war are the "patriotic pensioners", the social category that support it most are the "budgetniki" (state companies' workers, functionaries and social workers), the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan, are not the whole spectrum of society on either side. And this is why there's hope that one day this madness would stop.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail. Even though some usual suspects are ratcheting war propaganda to levels not witnessed since Ilya Ehrenburg.

    As usual, spewing hatred is what these types do best. The Dark Triade's a bitch to carry in one's psyche...

    Replies: @LatW

    The point is not just who is for or against the war – the deeper issue is whether one wishes well to Ukrainians or not, whether one respects Ukrainians as a people who are entitled to their country or not.

    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn’t the only one.

    The reason I like and respect Ivashov, despite of him being a “Sovok” and all that, is because he argued in good will, not out of necessity or utility. There may have been others in the General Staff who may have advised against invading Ukraine, but that could’ve been because they knew what state the military was in and not because they wanted to spare Ukraine. But Ivashov argued in good faith, out of kindness, and also warning that this is a risk for Russia. He also took a risk himself – he called on Putin to resign, way before it became clear how crazy this decision was, knowing full well he could get into trouble for that, but because he is so well regarded in the military circles, he was not touched. Yet it feels that he wasn’t able to say as much as he wanted or as sternly as would’ve been fit.

    [MORE]

    Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine.

    Nesminyan is another one I like, for his sheer humanity, even though he is also on the so called “Sovok” camp or whatever (meaning supportive of the preservation of the SU). I wasn’t sure if he was Armenian or Russian citizen. He has interesting, anti-oligarchic thoughts.

    Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.

    The artists split up. Some are serving Putin, but BG left Russia, Alla Borisovna left (that’s a big one), many young ones, too. It’s very difficult to stand up against it, you can get 15 years without parole.

    the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.

    It doesn’t surprise me at all, I am well aware that there are a lot of very spirited older Russian women out there. LOL What scares me is that some crazy old Russian lady screams at her end, but as a result of that a young Ukrainian child dies or a young father. To me that is totally unacceptable.

    Well, whoever those groups are, they say up to 70% support the “Special Military Operation”. I’m starting to doubt that the number is that high, but it is high either way. We’re not talking about “defending” Donbas, but things like taking over Kyiv and eliminating a significant number of Ukrainians which propaganda outlets have called out for.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan

    Well, Gordon is not the same as Shapiro. Shapiro is aggressive, Gordon is defensive. Of course, at this point, after everything that’s been done to Ukraine, some of the things Gordon says are not helping for future peace & friendship, to put it mildly. But he’s not the one agitating bombing a neighboring country. The Ukrainians made some mistakes (all that кто не скачит тот москаль and москаляку на гиляку before the war was way overboard, in my country there could be at least an administrative penalty for acting out that way in public if not something more serious), but their current defensiveness and anger are justified.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail.

    Things will clear out in the end… there should’ve been more love. Or alternately, make some space for the other.

    The Dark Triade’s a bitch to carry in one’s psyche…

    I’m not sure you can give that up once you have it in your psyche. Such things exist in every society, that’s why it’s important to respect each other’s space.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Well, whoever those groups are, they say up to 70% support the “Special Military Operation”.
     
    Of those who answered the poll. Which according to Priannikov (who as a politologist and a spin doctor has himself used and abused polls) is in RusFed around 16 - 20 % of the contacted people. Imagine answering the phone in Moscow and being asked : "would you like answering a poll related to the SMO ?" Would you answer, knowing that you could get a 15 yesrs prison term if you give the wrong answer. The real numbers are hard to know, but I would guess a maximum of 30 percent of die hard support for war in RusFed. In Ukraine it is probably double that for obvious reasons.

    there should’ve been more love. Or alternately, make some space for the other.
     
    Absolutely. More kindness and respect, not disdain and distrust.
  523. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    everyone’s home needs to be respected.
     
    Yes. Everyone's.

    https://rutvit.com/upload/images/2022/07/c7dKMu4Pne1buW3R9BnM_27_03e1d7b995330b9bf4bcdb213b8d308c_image_original.jpg

    Donbass and Lugansk Goyim included.

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t disagree, and I actually see the fate of those victims (there were quite a few such as Anna Tuv and other wives, mothers), largely as a women’s issue. But of course not exclusively. Ukraine was forced to defend itself, but I wonder if there was any other way (such as a special forces operation prior to the insurgents being armed by RF, there was a brief moment for such a possibility).

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    There were many different manners to exclude this kind of situation. But some people were really interested into leading the Slav into killing each other. Контролируемый Славорез, as Dmitriev wrote.

  524. @A123
    @QCIC



    Which expert pipeline specialists (other than yourself?) have publicly presented a similar industrial accident hypothesis?

     

    I have been around heavy industry, though not specifically pipelines.
    _____

    Have you read through the articles here?

    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html
    https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/10/nordstream-ii-electric-instapundit.html

    They are pitched to layman level of technical expertise.

    Why do you think an industrial accident is a “weak” hypotheses?

    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like "weak", I might be help improve your understanding. For example:

    -- "Why were all four pipes at risk at the same time?" --

    Odds are that Moscow was reducing pressure in all four tubes to recover material for sale on other markets. This type of controlled unloading can take days or even weeks.

    -- "Why 17 hours?" --

    While the exact timing was not knowable in advance, the unloading had likely been happening for days. Even though the operators reacted after the first rupture, the die had already been cast. They were probably repressurising, which is the right idea, but could not do it fast enough.
    ___

    These are of course guesses, but they are reasonable ones.

    PEACE 😇

     

    P.S. This thread is quite unstable on my ancient mobile device. If it becomes unreadable, you may need to recycle your query in the next OT.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I have pipeline fatigue reading your messages. However, the references look promising and the second one is what I was looking for.

    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating

    Maybe we will find out what actually happened. If your theory is correct I think this information will come out someday. It might cause changes to pipeline insurance requirements and other obscure things which could be tracked by experts in the field. Intentional demolition might be denied forever. This reminds me somewhat of the Navy shoot down of the Iranian airliner.

    I consider Hersh to be a complex source since his revelations are based on insider information which can be useful but must be weighed carefully.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC



    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like “weak”, I might be help improve your understanding.
     
    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating
     

    Most of those are not technical questions. Or, even technical observations. Net impact on the accident hypothesis is "none, nada, zero"

    All of the observations are equally as plausible regardless of the actual cause. Let me repeat... Exploitative Exploiters Will Exploit. The Veggie-in-Chief will take victory laps while snorting on 10 year olds regardless of the underlying facts.
    ___

    Coming back to this point, "Western military activities have been noted in the area". Satellite observation of ships that might be involved are 100% non-US. America has fully retired frigates as a class. Literally, the U.S Navy has no surface combatants that can possibly match the imagery.

    Launching an attack hypothesis with, "The U.S. was uninvolved, someone else did it." would give you a much better starting point to obtain traction. An anti-American resource limited, non nation state, plotter such as German Greens, Antifa, or George's OSF could lead towards the suboptimal characteristics.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  525. Important message from the Russian Volunteer Corps (Russian nationalists fighting on the front lines on the Ukrainian side):

    “There is light at the end of the tunnel. Now it’s not just a metaphor. It visible for real. The turning point in the war is obvious. Going forward the balance of power will continue to shift. Our time is near. The Russian Volunteer Corps is approaching the historic mission in their homeland after the victory of Ukraine in 2023.”

    “В конце туннеля виден свет. Теперь это не просто метафора. Его реально видно. Перелом в войне очевиден. Дальше баланс сил продолжит смещаться. Наше время уже близко. РДК приближается к выполнению исторического задания на своей Родине после победы Украины в 2023.”

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mojahedin_Organization_of_Iran

    Founded 5 September 1965; 57 years ago...

  526. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    The point is not just who is for or against the war - the deeper issue is whether one wishes well to Ukrainians or not, whether one respects Ukrainians as a people who are entitled to their country or not.


    Ivashov is a respectable man and a true patriot. He said the right thing, but he wasn’t the only one.
     
    The reason I like and respect Ivashov, despite of him being a "Sovok" and all that, is because he argued in good will, not out of necessity or utility. There may have been others in the General Staff who may have advised against invading Ukraine, but that could've been because they knew what state the military was in and not because they wanted to spare Ukraine. But Ivashov argued in good faith, out of kindness, and also warning that this is a risk for Russia. He also took a risk himself - he called on Putin to resign, way before it became clear how crazy this decision was, knowing full well he could get into trouble for that, but because he is so well regarded in the military circles, he was not touched. Yet it feels that he wasn't able to say as much as he wanted or as sternly as would've been fit.

    Nesmyan, who is Ukrainian, has always written against Putin, against war in Syria and against war in Ukraine.
     
    Nesminyan is another one I like, for his sheer humanity, even though he is also on the so called "Sovok" camp or whatever (meaning supportive of the preservation of the SU). I wasn't sure if he was Armenian or Russian citizen. He has interesting, anti-oligarchic thoughts.

    Artists have spoken against it, some YouTubers did.
     
    The artists split up. Some are serving Putin, but BG left Russia, Alla Borisovna left (that's a big one), many young ones, too. It's very difficult to stand up against it, you can get 15 years without parole.


    the gender category that supports the war most are (surprise) the childless women who have gone out of their reproductive age.
     
    It doesn't surprise me at all, I am well aware that there are a lot of very spirited older Russian women out there. LOL What scares me is that some crazy old Russian lady screams at her end, but as a result of that a young Ukrainian child dies or a young father. To me that is totally unacceptable.

    Well, whoever those groups are, they say up to 70% support the "Special Military Operation". I'm starting to doubt that the number is that high, but it is high either way. We're not talking about "defending" Donbas, but things like taking over Kyiv and eliminating a significant number of Ukrainians which propaganda outlets have called out for.

    The profesdional warmongering scum such as Solovyov-Shapiro in RusFed or his counterpart abd equivalent Gordon in Ukiestan
     
    Well, Gordon is not the same as Shapiro. Shapiro is aggressive, Gordon is defensive. Of course, at this point, after everything that's been done to Ukraine, some of the things Gordon says are not helping for future peace & friendship, to put it mildly. But he's not the one agitating bombing a neighboring country. The Ukrainians made some mistakes (all that кто не скачит тот москаль and москаляку на гиляку before the war was way overboard, in my country there could be at least an administrative penalty for acting out that way in public if not something more serious), but their current defensiveness and anger are justified.

    Sooner or later sanity will prevail.
     
    Things will clear out in the end... there should've been more love. Or alternately, make some space for the other.

    The Dark Triade’s a bitch to carry in one’s psyche…
     
    I'm not sure you can give that up once you have it in your psyche. Such things exist in every society, that's why it's important to respect each other's space.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, whoever those groups are, they say up to 70% support the “Special Military Operation”.

    Of those who answered the poll. Which according to Priannikov (who as a politologist and a spin doctor has himself used and abused polls) is in RusFed around 16 – 20 % of the contacted people. Imagine answering the phone in Moscow and being asked : “would you like answering a poll related to the SMO ?” Would you answer, knowing that you could get a 15 yesrs prison term if you give the wrong answer. The real numbers are hard to know, but I would guess a maximum of 30 percent of die hard support for war in RusFed. In Ukraine it is probably double that for obvious reasons.

    there should’ve been more love. Or alternately, make some space for the other.

    Absolutely. More kindness and respect, not disdain and distrust.

  527. @QCIC
    @A123

    These are fair questions but they don't seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.

    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?

    Replies: @A123

    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.

    • What valid attack scenario has a spread of 50 miles when the geography could have been easily more compact?

    • What valid attack scenario has a 17 hour time frame when it could have been shorter, ideally simultaneous?

    Refusing to answer these question is a 100% terminal death blow to the validity of poorly constructed, implausible attack conspiracies.

    If you believe these questions are not an issue — Please explain why an attack chose this timing & geography, rather than better and more straightforward options.

    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?

    No. The KGB is sneaky and good, but not that hyper efficient.

    I am saying that the pipeline controls for all 4 tubes were given similar settings based on a Moscow order to recover saleable gas. Rubles Rule… Somebody made a seemingly sound commercial decision. How many fck up stories start, “It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then…”?

    Likely 100+ hours into the unloading sequence the first hydrate plug released creating a blow out. Odds are good the operators tried to reverse the action and started switching around to repressurize the lines. However, it would have taken another 100+ hours, possibly more, to get that done. Before the attempted save had a chance to rebalance the system, the other plugs went.

    That one of the newest pieces of NS2 equipment survived the operational event is consistent with the industrial accidents. Old and poorly maintained equipment is statistically much more vulnerable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I hope you are correct.
    Zzzzzzzz.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Biden supported black terror in South Africa and in the US in 2020. George Shultz called it right in this video. Biden is a terroristic lunatic.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4645641/user-clip-biden-shultz-south-african-apartheid

    , @Philip Owen
    @A123

    Putin pushed over and over again to deliver gas via NS2. I prefer the commercial interpretation of that desire. However, I can see that it may also have been technically driven. There was even a "technical failure" of the compressors for NS1 during the discussion.

  528. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't disagree, and I actually see the fate of those victims (there were quite a few such as Anna Tuv and other wives, mothers), largely as a women's issue. But of course not exclusively. Ukraine was forced to defend itself, but I wonder if there was any other way (such as a special forces operation prior to the insurgents being armed by RF, there was a brief moment for such a possibility).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    There were many different manners to exclude this kind of situation. But some people were really interested into leading the Slav into killing each other. Контролируемый Славорез, as Dmitriev wrote.

  529. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas.
     
    Чёткие пацаны wear Adidas.

    https://youtu.be/yQR_NLeXKtw

    Adidas - скрепа!

    No Adidas - no RusFed !

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  530. @LatW
    Important message from the Russian Volunteer Corps (Russian nationalists fighting on the front lines on the Ukrainian side):

    "There is light at the end of the tunnel. Now it's not just a metaphor. It visible for real. The turning point in the war is obvious. Going forward the balance of power will continue to shift. Our time is near. The Russian Volunteer Corps is approaching the historic mission in their homeland after the victory of Ukraine in 2023."

    "В конце туннеля виден свет. Теперь это не просто метафора. Его реально видно. Перелом в войне очевиден. Дальше баланс сил продолжит смещаться. Наше время уже близко. РДК приближается к выполнению исторического задания на своей Родине после победы Украины в 2023."

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  531. @QCIC
    @A123

    I have pipeline fatigue reading your messages. However, the references look promising and the second one is what I was looking for.

    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating

    Maybe we will find out what actually happened. If your theory is correct I think this information will come out someday. It might cause changes to pipeline insurance requirements and other obscure things which could be tracked by experts in the field. Intentional demolition might be denied forever. This reminds me somewhat of the Navy shoot down of the Iranian airliner.

    I consider Hersh to be a complex source since his revelations are based on insider information which can be useful but must be weighed carefully.

    Replies: @A123

    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like “weak”, I might be help improve your understanding.

    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating

    Most of those are not technical questions. Or, even technical observations. Net impact on the accident hypothesis is “none, nada, zero”

    All of the observations are equally as plausible regardless of the actual cause. Let me repeat… Exploitative Exploiters Will Exploit. The Veggie-in-Chief will take victory laps while snorting on 10 year olds regardless of the underlying facts.
    ___

    Coming back to this point, “Western military activities have been noted in the area”. Satellite observation of ships that might be involved are 100% non-US. America has fully retired frigates as a class. Literally, the U.S Navy has no surface combatants that can possibly match the imagery.

    Launching an attack hypothesis with, “The U.S. was uninvolved, someone else did it.” would give you a much better starting point to obtain traction. An anti-American resource limited, non nation state, plotter such as German Greens, Antifa, or George’s OSF could lead towards the suboptimal characteristics.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Whatever. We do not know what happened.

    You have made your case as well as necessary. Continuing with this rant starts to look strange.

    If the West blew up the pipelines, they will likely get away with it. If the Russian pipeline operators screwed up we may eventually find out as long as it was accidental. Either way, it is infinitely less important than the tragedy of 100,000's of dead men.

    I optimistically predict the renamed Russia-Germany Friendship pipeline will eventually be repaired and will run at 50% of nameplate capacity. At that point 25% of the German gas will come through Ukraine, 25% through RGF. 50% will be mandated to be LNG, but half of that will come from Yamal. The Ukrainian price will be indexed to the Western LNG price. Good times.

    +++

    I wonder if the Canadians have a different handbook which explains why Kolomoisky funds actual NeoNazis?

    Replies: @A123

  532. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    There is absolutely no way that the degenerate and gay United States could win an industrial war with China. A China + Russia + Iran axis would be way too much for the United States to handle. The US is too internally divided to triumph in a conflict against such a bloc.
     
    It might depend on technological prowess. China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I'm wondering for what purpose, for killing Eastern European children in their beds in the future?). If Europe / Intermarium manage to build technologies in response to that, then they will be able to hold out.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Blinky Bill

    China is apparently thinking of building a large drone factory with Russia (I’m wondering for what purpose

    [MORE]

  533. @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    That's an accurate description.

    Of course Fatyanovo-derived folks are not just good for fights and brawls, they have also produced refined art and great thinkers. That's what most Germans forget: although sometimes sloppy and lazy, Slavs can work very hard if they like their work or when forced to do that under hard circumstances. Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough. And overall Slavs are very creative. They are only inferior to Germans from the organization pov. Perhaps because they are more anarchistic and clannish, as also Celtic people are.

    A side note: Stalin didn't drink that much and preferred white wine when he did. But he indeed a heavy smoker.



    Didn't know about the Maozi nickname, but I don't care indeed. I am bearded and overall look somewhat similar to the one legendary batbarian bellow. Described as a Parasika in the early Chinese records, as an Indian in later times, probably came from Central Asia, went back home through the Tian Shan:

    https://static.sadhguru.org/d/46272/1637048823-1637048822006.jpg

    😇

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Slavs can also think deeply and rigorously when they are interested enough.

    For math definitely. Soviet mathematics basically kept up toe-to-toe with the West. Modern probability theory was founded by Kolmogorov. For physics and engineering as well I think.

    German math and physics declined during Third Reich,

    Early on, this elite stigmatized the inadequacies of modern society’s materialism as Jewish, and most of these “German mandarins” went over to the anti-Semitic camp in their conservative political tradition.[5]

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

    Somewhat akin to the Chinese mandarins shutting down Zheng He’s expeditions.

    For philosophy its really the yin and the yang, you can’t really have a German Dostoyevsky or a Russian Hegel.

    For music its a matter of taste, I would place Bach Beethoven Mozart Haydn Wagner a class higher than Tchaikovsky and Prokofiev.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Yahya
  534. @A123
    @QCIC



    If you ask specific technical questions, instead of using vague terms like “weak”, I might be help improve your understanding.
     
    Main reasons this alternative explanation seems weak:

    The USA threatened to destroy the pipelines
    Western military activities have been noted in the area
    The pipelines blew up
    The Poles thanked the USA for blowing them up
    The Swedes have suppressed the evidence of investigations
    The USA has been smugly gloating
     

    Most of those are not technical questions. Or, even technical observations. Net impact on the accident hypothesis is "none, nada, zero"

    All of the observations are equally as plausible regardless of the actual cause. Let me repeat... Exploitative Exploiters Will Exploit. The Veggie-in-Chief will take victory laps while snorting on 10 year olds regardless of the underlying facts.
    ___

    Coming back to this point, "Western military activities have been noted in the area". Satellite observation of ships that might be involved are 100% non-US. America has fully retired frigates as a class. Literally, the U.S Navy has no surface combatants that can possibly match the imagery.

    Launching an attack hypothesis with, "The U.S. was uninvolved, someone else did it." would give you a much better starting point to obtain traction. An anti-American resource limited, non nation state, plotter such as German Greens, Antifa, or George's OSF could lead towards the suboptimal characteristics.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Whatever. We do not know what happened.

    You have made your case as well as necessary. Continuing with this rant starts to look strange.

    If the West blew up the pipelines, they will likely get away with it. If the Russian pipeline operators screwed up we may eventually find out as long as it was accidental. Either way, it is infinitely less important than the tragedy of 100,000’s of dead men.

    I optimistically predict the renamed Russia-Germany Friendship pipeline will eventually be repaired and will run at 50% of nameplate capacity. At that point 25% of the German gas will come through Ukraine, 25% through RGF. 50% will be mandated to be LNG, but half of that will come from Yamal. The Ukrainian price will be indexed to the Western LNG price. Good times.

    +++

    I wonder if the Canadians have a different handbook which explains why Kolomoisky funds actual NeoNazis?

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    We do not know what happened. You have made your case as well as necessary. Continuing with this rant starts to look strange.
     
    There is no ranting (at least from side). I believe it is essential, not strange. What are the options:

    -1- War — The U.S./CIA did it
    -2- War — Russia did it
    -3- Probably War — Someone else did it
    -4- PEACE — It was an industrial accident

    Notice how the war options #1 & #2 obtain 90%+ of the coverage. And, the only peaceful option #4 is effectively banned as an “Offensive” idea.

    I optimistically predict the renamed Russia-Germany Friendship pipeline will eventually be repaired and will run at 50% of nameplate capacity.
     
    The German Greens will kill that before it manages to exit the starting gate. Potential game changers are:

    • Iberia --> Italy
    • EastMed / Israel --> Cyprus --> Greece --> Italy

    This will cleave the EU into energy winners and losers:

    ○ Christian populist countries will repudiate Islamic green energy poverty
    ○ The Islamophile EU nations, Germany and France, will be driven to energy recession/depression

    PEACE 😇
  535. @A123
    @QCIC


    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.
     
    • What valid attack scenario has a spread of 50 miles when the geography could have been easily more compact?

    • What valid attack scenario has a 17 hour time frame when it could have been shorter, ideally simultaneous?

    Refusing to answer these question is a 100% terminal death blow to the validity of poorly constructed, implausible attack conspiracies.

    If you believe these questions are not an issue -- Please explain why an attack chose this timing & geography, rather than better and more straightforward options.


    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?
     
    No. The KGB is sneaky and good, but not that hyper efficient.

    I am saying that the pipeline controls for all 4 tubes were given similar settings based on a Moscow order to recover saleable gas. Rubles Rule... Somebody made a seemingly sound commercial decision. How many fck up stories start, "It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then..."?

    Likely 100+ hours into the unloading sequence the first hydrate plug released creating a blow out. Odds are good the operators tried to reverse the action and started switching around to repressurize the lines. However, it would have taken another 100+ hours, possibly more, to get that done. Before the attempted save had a chance to rebalance the system, the other plugs went.

    That one of the newest pieces of NS2 equipment survived the operational event is consistent with the industrial accidents. Old and poorly maintained equipment is statistically much more vulnerable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    I hope you are correct.
    Zzzzzzzz.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Thank you for admitting an industrial accident is more probable than a convoluted attack conspiracy.

    Zzzzzzzz???

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  536. @QCIC
    @A123

    Whatever. We do not know what happened.

    You have made your case as well as necessary. Continuing with this rant starts to look strange.

    If the West blew up the pipelines, they will likely get away with it. If the Russian pipeline operators screwed up we may eventually find out as long as it was accidental. Either way, it is infinitely less important than the tragedy of 100,000's of dead men.

    I optimistically predict the renamed Russia-Germany Friendship pipeline will eventually be repaired and will run at 50% of nameplate capacity. At that point 25% of the German gas will come through Ukraine, 25% through RGF. 50% will be mandated to be LNG, but half of that will come from Yamal. The Ukrainian price will be indexed to the Western LNG price. Good times.

    +++

    I wonder if the Canadians have a different handbook which explains why Kolomoisky funds actual NeoNazis?

    Replies: @A123

    We do not know what happened. You have made your case as well as necessary. Continuing with this rant starts to look strange.

    There is no ranting (at least from side). I believe it is essential, not strange. What are the options:

    -1- War — The U.S./CIA did it
    -2- War — Russia did it
    -3- Probably War — Someone else did it
    -4- PEACE — It was an industrial accident

    Notice how the war options #1 & #2 obtain 90%+ of the coverage. And, the only peaceful option #4 is effectively banned as an “Offensive” idea.

    I optimistically predict the renamed Russia-Germany Friendship pipeline will eventually be repaired and will run at 50% of nameplate capacity.

    The German Greens will kill that before it manages to exit the starting gate. Potential game changers are:

    • Iberia –> Italy
    • EastMed / Israel –> Cyprus –> Greece –> Italy

    This will cleave the EU into energy winners and losers:

    ○ Christian populist countries will repudiate Islamic green energy poverty
    ○ The Islamophile EU nations, Germany and France, will be driven to energy recession/depression

    PEACE 😇

  537. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    Didn’t Sadat have a Sudanese mother?
     
    Yes and he was routinely derided as “Nasser’s black poodle” until he became president; after which Egyptians promptly sealed their mouths. Racism is complicated. My experience is that Egyptians are accepting of mulattos; but will still subject them to derogatory insults; mostly in good nature, but sometimes not. Sudanese and Somali people are already 30-50% genetically Semit0-Caucasian; so the hybrids are 60-70%+ Middle Eastern. Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object. That’s pretty much what happens irl:

    https://twitter.com/timnitgebru/status/1628585306621644806?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    It’s a bit cruel though. It may be a deterrent to migration; but I’d just prefer a strict immigration enforcement regime; and Saudi-style citizenship laws. OTOH, its good that Egyptians are based re blacks; even in the upper segments of society.



    https://twitter.com/rana_eroda/status/1628649069756268545?s=61&t=HQ0hPoLQxn0fs0WM8wfCPQ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object

    You mean you can publicly call a non-white racial group monkeys and your company will not fire you declaring that you don’t represent their values, your bank will not close your account and Egyptair will not put you on their travel blacklist? How can such a country continue to function normally?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel


    You mean you can publicly call a non-white racial group monkeys and your company will not fire you declaring that you don’t represent their values, your bank will not close your account and Egyptair will not put you on their travel blacklist? How can such a country continue to function normally?
     
    Economists estimate that removing all anti black sentiment from Egyptian society would raise Egypt's GDP per capita to over $80,000
  538. @Mikel
    @Yahya


    Pure blacks otoh are treated like animals. You can call them monkeys on the street and no-one will object
     
    You mean you can publicly call a non-white racial group monkeys and your company will not fire you declaring that you don't represent their values, your bank will not close your account and Egyptair will not put you on their travel blacklist? How can such a country continue to function normally?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    You mean you can publicly call a non-white racial group monkeys and your company will not fire you declaring that you don’t represent their values, your bank will not close your account and Egyptair will not put you on their travel blacklist? How can such a country continue to function normally?

    Economists estimate that removing all anti black sentiment from Egyptian society would raise Egypt’s GDP per capita to over $80,000

    • Agree: Mikel
  539. @QCIC
    @A123

    I hope you are correct.
    Zzzzzzzz.

    Replies: @A123

    Thank you for admitting an industrial accident is more probable than a convoluted attack conspiracy.

    Zzzzzzzz???

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven't read them carefully yet.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis? With your knowledge of Israel and the ideas of Judeo-Christianity I imagine you have thoughts on this topic. This seems more important than discussing a pipeline which has become a moot point.

    Zzzzzzzz indicates you bored me to unconsciousness with your drumbeat: hydrate...plug...hydrate...plug...hydrate...plug...

    Replies: @A123

  540. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
     
    The Ukrainian General Staff are preparing to strike southwards towards the Azov coast, in the direction of Melitopol. Another scenario might be possible where they storm Dnipro, straight into Crimea (around Armiansk) but that scenario is probably less likely. The Ukrainians have already hit Mariupol in the last few days, so that means they have received the medium range missiles (it's possible that they already have the GLSDB which can strike up to 150kms). They might receive a lot of what they need in March to carry out this offensive. It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    [Russian offensive] Really? How come nobody noticed?
     
    Russian offensive has been going since January. Mobilization is still proceeding, over 300K Russian troops could be in Ukraine now. It has been noticed very well by the Ukrainians, but not by you because it hasn't been that successful.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

    It will be a Ukrainian Spring.

    Well, there will be a spring in Ukraine, it always comes. Regarding your poetic analogy, my recollection is that these ‘Springs’ usually fail – from Prague Spring to Egypt, Syria…they have been failures. Be more careful with the analogies…

    If Ukies strike towards Azov it will be bloody. One thing to consider is the overwhelming Russian ability to destroy the military and infrastructure targets. Many doubt it – Russian have not done it in a big way so far – but what makes you think they couldn’t or wouldn’t?

    Escalating the war was a tragic mistake by Kiev pushed by the West – unless they possess a miracle weapon this will end with a defeat for Kiev. It was a small defeat at the beginning, but it could turn into a catastrophe. The best hope is that China or someone else will manage to cool the hot heads, bring down the temperature and a modus vivendi is reached with Russia keeping what it controls.

    You and many others have fallen into an emotional tail-spin not seeing rationally what could happen. Like the feverish crowds cheering on the start of WW1 or the volunteers rushing to the Civil War…it is foolish. You don’t see it because the ‘Spring’ is coming. But then maybe a hot summer and a winter. The war needs to stop and not be escalated. Take your loss like a man, preserve some dignity…

  541. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Belarus has 3 times more I2 men than Poland (but less than Ukraine), and has a dictatorial, confrontational president too.
     
    Just to clarify: since the populations have been mixed over thousands of years it is not that there are are discrete I or R1a men in these countries but rather different proportions of ancestry in each person from that population, with Belarusians and Ukrainians having much more I ancestry than Poles (I am not claiming that you are mistaken, just clarifying).

    In terms of I ancestry, it’s:

    Romania: 34%
    Moldova: 29%

    Ukraine: 25.5%
    Belarus: 24%
    Slovakia: 24%

    Poland: 17%
    Russia: 15.5%

    But in terms of R1a it’s:

    Poland: 57.5%

    Belarus: 51%

    Russia: 46%
    Ukraine: 44%
    Slovakia: 41.5%

    Moldova: 30.5%

    Romania: 18%

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Beckow

    I am not sure this holds in other countries, but in Slovakia there are subregions with much higher R1a and some with more I.

    No matter how we try, there are minimal signs of the Old-Magyar-Avar-Huns, less than 2%, there is a consistent 7-8% E of the neolithic farmers from the southeast. The Old-Magyar DNA had survived better in Hungary-Transylvania, even there it is only 3-5%. That suggests the ultimate futility of the ‘raiding warrior’ lifestyle – a lot of noise, killing, but not much left behind.

    The sub-region analysis is interesting and suggests less mixing due to feudal and geographic restrictions. Until recently it was rare for the common people to find mates outside of their small sub-regions, often a cluster of villages with a local castle or manor.

    The Western DNA is 10-15% (R1b) tests higher in the southwest cities where there was medieval German settlement and in some old mining areas, it is spotty elsewhere. There was a massive departure-expulsion of Germans in the 20th century. The Germanic settlers were often Flemish or Italian, the Germans came mostly from the adjoining areas of east-Austria that had a strong Slav sub-stratum. It can get very complicated…that makes any genetic proclivities a little bit of a castle in the sky…

  542. Interesting post.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yahya

    It is interesting. It seems to argue that secularisation led to lower fertility rates and that religious absolutism led to secularisation, but I think it is too zoomed in, as I don't think you can separate those factors out from other factors and that instead all are part of a more general set of movements. In other words, it fetishises the characteristic "religiosity", rather than something broader, perhaps like "uncritical obedience" or "living like livestock." Or even uncritical consciousness, or simply unconsciousness. That primal borderline state that near every four year old exists in.

    I also note that Anatoly Karlin's theory about enforced breeding leading to the diminishing of breeding genes, and subsequent lower breeding leading to their comeback, not only fits the data described just as well, but also fits France's relatively high TFR now.

    My personal view is that few people capable of having this discussion have the experience and awareness to see what "living as livestock" is. They therefore don't understand the religiosity of the past and how it doesn't relate to their own potential religiosity whatsoever.

    The modern societies, full of individuals possessing critical consciousness, that also have the highest TFRs are those with the least controlling parents. What may or may not have happened with the peasants of Provence a few hundreds years ago is interesting, but holds no direct lessons for us.

    Every year the already small percentage of the world's population, who live as livestock, for whom things only ever happen to them, shrinks. A minority of individuals can't deal with this and we pathologise them as having Cluster B personality disorders, and they dream and sometimes delude themselves that they actually are in that infantile state, while others play with it, often sexually, or with their political fantasising, but it is not coming back as a human norm. It is also a fundamentally different experience of life than the modern one, and inferior, though not without some charms that people may get nostalgic over.

    , @Coconuts
    @Yahya

    That is an interesting finding. I've seen a couple of references to the 1750s marking the close of an era, the final end of what was left of the spirit of the Middle Ages. Even in terms of the physique of Frenchmen.

    For example, about the famous painting Gilles by Watteau (1731):


    I will compare the French of before 1750, who had invented rationalism but who had not yet lived it, with the Frenchman of 1830, by this point completely impregnated and ravaged by it.

    Until 1750, men were still substantial, solid, still intimately connected with themselves and full of grave joy. I see it the way it was painted by Watteau. Gilles is a capital reference point for those who love life and are eager to catch a glimpse of its avatars. A fortunate mid-point between the gracious power and downy austerity of the figures of Reims cathedral and the rawboned, tense and nervous fatigue of the human figures painted towards the end of the 19th century, figures of the impressionist and symbolist era, the last and most exalted of the romantics...

    The great mystical resources of the Middle Ages were not yet completely exhausted in this being...
     
  543. @A123
    @QCIC


    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.
     
    • What valid attack scenario has a spread of 50 miles when the geography could have been easily more compact?

    • What valid attack scenario has a 17 hour time frame when it could have been shorter, ideally simultaneous?

    Refusing to answer these question is a 100% terminal death blow to the validity of poorly constructed, implausible attack conspiracies.

    If you believe these questions are not an issue -- Please explain why an attack chose this timing & geography, rather than better and more straightforward options.


    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?
     
    No. The KGB is sneaky and good, but not that hyper efficient.

    I am saying that the pipeline controls for all 4 tubes were given similar settings based on a Moscow order to recover saleable gas. Rubles Rule... Somebody made a seemingly sound commercial decision. How many fck up stories start, "It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then..."?

    Likely 100+ hours into the unloading sequence the first hydrate plug released creating a blow out. Odds are good the operators tried to reverse the action and started switching around to repressurize the lines. However, it would have taken another 100+ hours, possibly more, to get that done. Before the attempted save had a chance to rebalance the system, the other plugs went.

    That one of the newest pieces of NS2 equipment survived the operational event is consistent with the industrial accidents. Old and poorly maintained equipment is statistically much more vulnerable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    Biden supported black terror in South Africa and in the US in 2020. George Shultz called it right in this video. Biden is a terroristic lunatic.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4645641/user-clip-biden-shultz-south-african-apartheid

  544. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Yahya
    Interesting post.



    https://twitter.com/worksinprogmag/status/1629514444400148480?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

    It is interesting. It seems to argue that secularisation led to lower fertility rates and that religious absolutism led to secularisation, but I think it is too zoomed in, as I don’t think you can separate those factors out from other factors and that instead all are part of a more general set of movements. In other words, it fetishises the characteristic “religiosity”, rather than something broader, perhaps like “uncritical obedience” or “living like livestock.” Or even uncritical consciousness, or simply unconsciousness. That primal borderline state that near every four year old exists in.

    I also note that Anatoly Karlin’s theory about enforced breeding leading to the diminishing of breeding genes, and subsequent lower breeding leading to their comeback, not only fits the data described just as well, but also fits France’s relatively high TFR now.

    My personal view is that few people capable of having this discussion have the experience and awareness to see what “living as livestock” is. They therefore don’t understand the religiosity of the past and how it doesn’t relate to their own potential religiosity whatsoever.

    The modern societies, full of individuals possessing critical consciousness, that also have the highest TFRs are those with the least controlling parents. What may or may not have happened with the peasants of Provence a few hundreds years ago is interesting, but holds no direct lessons for us.

    Every year the already small percentage of the world’s population, who live as livestock, for whom things only ever happen to them, shrinks. A minority of individuals can’t deal with this and we pathologise them as having Cluster B personality disorders, and they dream and sometimes delude themselves that they actually are in that infantile state, while others play with it, often sexually, or with their political fantasising, but it is not coming back as a human norm. It is also a fundamentally different experience of life than the modern one, and inferior, though not without some charms that people may get nostalgic over.

  545. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    and, for the Russians, of course, the absolutely beloved Adidas.
     
    Чёткие пацаны wear Adidas.

    https://youtu.be/yQR_NLeXKtw

    Adidas - скрепа!

    No Adidas - no RusFed !

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Wokechoke

    German Sportswear.

    Three Stripe Life.

    Here’s a survey of various 70s and 80s subcultures bricolaged by Mark Leckey. Imagine the Squatting Slav moving through this timeline.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    I can imagine these Squatting Slavs kicking some serious tail:

    https://youtu.be/HLiFH_U9qf0

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    Saying that Germans contributed anything whatsoever to any subculture is rayciss, only Detroit Blacks did. Then the years have passed and Russians (slowly) followed. That's how cultural appropriation works : Blacks and then Russians, POC both of them...

    https://youtu.be/GoNsch6tpyU

    Have a nice Sunday, friend !

    🙂

  546. @Triteleia Laxa
    Russia Today argues that India is about to abandon support for Russia and that Modi is telling Russia to go home.

    https://www.rt.com/india/572068-message-putin-modi-quote/

    China tells Head of EU diplomacy its policy in arming Russia:

    “I can only repeat what he told me: China is not providing arms for Russia and it will not provide arms to Russia because it’s part of their foreign policy not to arm parties in a conflict,” he said. “We have to remain vigilant.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/23/year-into-ukraine-war-china-says-not-sending-weapons-to-russia

    Doubtless China did explore this option, as they will have explored every option, and America got hold of their explorations and will now make them pay in the international press. This has already happened twice during this war and is the normal tit for tat diplomacy that everyone seems to love.

    Songbird: sorry but your HBD concerns don't matter for this conflict. Trying to shoe-horn them in will just make you look weird and obsessive. And I actually agree with the basic facts of HBD as laid out by people like Sailer. Although I also recognise that genetic engineering will be common in 30 years and the major problems of ignoring HBD will still be a long way off at that point, given that it is basically the smart fraction that matters.

    Replies: @songbird

    Ukraine is just the current fad of the state department. It won’t last forever, and everyone and their mother know that the US is already moving on to seeing China as its biggest geostrategic rival.

    [MORE]

    You seem to be cheerleading the confrontation. All this rhetoric, and there is a lot of it out there, seems preparatory. This is exactly what they are saying in the Beltway: US will stomp China.

    As someone who is observing the decline, firsthand, I understand this isn’t healthy rhetoric. The joke is nearly true: China could destabilize most of the country with a single package of Sharpies.

    Continued faith in a technical edge just shows desperation that one can’t put it into anything else. And it is mental retardation to think, as the Zeihans do, that it will continue forever. Globalization makes corporate espionage easier than ever. Hard physical limits, like the end of Moore’s Law are going to slow progress. China will catch up.

    I don’t relish the thought of the US realizing this the hard way. And don’t think it is good to encourage these status competitions that have nothing to do with us.

    BTW, seems very naive of you to believe America is about to solve its problems with genetic engineering. Even if it were technically feasible or desirable, every indication is that it wouldn’t be politically possible.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    The US carries the dead weight of 50,000,000 niggers infesting its cities. It is lead by a man hostage to their vote.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:

    1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.

    2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it'll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.

    3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don't encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I'll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.

    4. Ukraine isn't a fad. The principle that you don't annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @songbird

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    China is always testing US resolve to defend its interests, but I don't think that it's ready to trade in its superlative status as supplier of US TV's, appliances, computer chips, pharmaceuticals and even cars, for an opportunity to shoot itself in the foot like Russia has done. Perhaps, you've been reading too much of Pepi Escobar's blog lately? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  547. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    There’s beauty to be found everywhere. But try telling that to our miserable German friend. I don’t think I’ve seen him praise the positive qualities on any group. Everyone to him is just a “rapist”, “criminal”, “parasite”, “stupid”, “manipulative”, “delusional”, “myopic” etc. Probably the most morose individual i’ve yet encountered.

    I think it is linked to his lack of appreciation for the arts. Don’t think he’s discussed movies or music or art (except to trash on them) since I started posting here; his reading list post was almost exclusively academic and history-centric. I’m an avid reader of the latter; but solely focusing on facts and history is a recipe for gloom. As Gibbon says “History is indeed little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind.”

    Perhaps this sublime piece of music from his Anglo-Germanic compatriot will lift his spirits:

    https://youtu.be/q9zre6aSSA8

    I know it’s played on the minor scale; but I find it always elevates my mood.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating? 🙂

    You must like some of the other composers of this period too, like Telemann, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Correlli?…..

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?
     
    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

  548. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    Star Wars is the Holy Bible of international liberal mythopoetics. It devolved into girl power in the final three instalments. The first three instalments were a very strange back story to Darth Vader.

    The original film that came out in the 1970s was a rip off (dam busters, hidden fortress and some Soviet partisan flicks) to be sure but certainly all about ww2’s plucky allies up against space Nazis and Imperial Japan. Reagan used it to condemn Moscow’s Evil Empire. It even contained a naive white boy saving a Jewish looking Princess and a fast talking Jewish drug smuggler. Perfect Cold War agitprop. Anti ballistic missiles were even called a Star Wars program.

    Wtf are you talking about?

    The fans of Star Wars all hate guys of authoritarian bent, like Vlad Putin.

    Nuland herself acts like Cary Fischer. Blinkin, Sullivan and perhaps even Biden imagine themselves as some type of Rebel Alliance.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    Thanks for proving my point. Your geopolitical fantasies are a substitute for being a Star Wars super fan. You've even mixed the two up in your head! Hilarious.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuI-hEDhfCw&ab_channel=LikeStoriesofOld

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  549. @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ukraine is just the current fad of the state department. It won't last forever, and everyone and their mother know that the US is already moving on to seeing China as its biggest geostrategic rival.

    You seem to be cheerleading the confrontation. All this rhetoric, and there is a lot of it out there, seems preparatory. This is exactly what they are saying in the Beltway: US will stomp China.

    As someone who is observing the decline, firsthand, I understand this isn't healthy rhetoric. The joke is nearly true: China could destabilize most of the country with a single package of Sharpies.

    Continued faith in a technical edge just shows desperation that one can't put it into anything else. And it is mental retardation to think, as the Zeihans do, that it will continue forever. Globalization makes corporate espionage easier than ever. Hard physical limits, like the end of Moore's Law are going to slow progress. China will catch up.

    I don't relish the thought of the US realizing this the hard way. And don't think it is good to encourage these status competitions that have nothing to do with us.

    BTW, seems very naive of you to believe America is about to solve its problems with genetic engineering. Even if it were technically feasible or desirable, every indication is that it wouldn't be politically possible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

    The US carries the dead weight of 50,000,000 niggers infesting its cities. It is lead by a man hostage to their vote.

  550. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    German Sportswear.

    Three Stripe Life.

    Here’s a survey of various 70s and 80s subcultures bricolaged by Mark Leckey. Imagine the Squatting Slav moving through this timeline.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dS2McPYzEE

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

    I can imagine these Squatting Slavs kicking some serious tail:

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Most of these boys probably ended up working for BAE, Vickers, Thales, Boeing, Lockheed Martin etc or their successor amalgamations.

    Those Challengers, Brimstones, Storm Shadows and other American variations of the gadgets are made by machinists and programmers living for Saturday night at the dance club.

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    Wow, thanks for that post, Hack! That must be an insane workout. How is that even possible...
    And my favorite Ukrainian band in the background, The Song of the Brave, by Широкий лан.

    "Step by step, amidst the shadows, men like wolves came out for a hunt....".

    Much love!

  551. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ukraine is just the current fad of the state department. It won't last forever, and everyone and their mother know that the US is already moving on to seeing China as its biggest geostrategic rival.

    You seem to be cheerleading the confrontation. All this rhetoric, and there is a lot of it out there, seems preparatory. This is exactly what they are saying in the Beltway: US will stomp China.

    As someone who is observing the decline, firsthand, I understand this isn't healthy rhetoric. The joke is nearly true: China could destabilize most of the country with a single package of Sharpies.

    Continued faith in a technical edge just shows desperation that one can't put it into anything else. And it is mental retardation to think, as the Zeihans do, that it will continue forever. Globalization makes corporate espionage easier than ever. Hard physical limits, like the end of Moore's Law are going to slow progress. China will catch up.

    I don't relish the thought of the US realizing this the hard way. And don't think it is good to encourage these status competitions that have nothing to do with us.

    BTW, seems very naive of you to believe America is about to solve its problems with genetic engineering. Even if it were technically feasible or desirable, every indication is that it wouldn't be politically possible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

    While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:

    1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.

    2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it’ll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.

    3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don’t encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I’ll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.

    4. Ukraine isn’t a fad. The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams - it is mostly nonsense, but harmless. It gives you hope since the reality has to be changed otherwise the current trends will undermine the Western global mono-dominance. It is the usual promising the ideal world for tomorrow - you seem by temperament a communist or a real estate promoter...there is gold in them hills!!! believe.......


    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
     
    20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers...

    Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of 'minority self-determination', but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.

    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad - it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no 'principles', it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger.

    But don't preach us - it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    , @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I used to believe embryo selection might be the humane answer to dysgenic trends. After thinking about it I have decided that fertilization of a human egg outside the human mother may have terrible problems. That conclusion makes me wonder how many people to this point were formed by in vitro fertilization (IVF). I also wonder how their lives have gone and what patterns others have noticed? No offense to any IVF people here at Unz, I am simply curious.

    Since I recognize free will, I don't need to pretend that humans have a good understanding of everything. I am content with the idea that we might never fully understand free will in a scientific way, though I am glad people are thinking about it.

    With that said, the act of conception also seems very subtle and wonderful and not portable outside the mother. In the modern reductionist mind it is just some DNA strands linking up, no big deal, easy peasy. In reality it is amazingly complex process. Much of the body has electrical interactions which are a lot different in a test tube than in the woman. Never mind all of the important aspects we are still completely clueless about.

    Genetic engineering of humans shares all these problems. It is worth remembering that genetic engineers seem to have the greatest hubris and appear to be very short sided. Like AI, genetic engineering is here now. I doubt it will turn out well.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player.
     
    Not sure the advantage will last 30 years, and the emergence of Chinese AI might predict that the technical gap would soon close, as it would be applied for that purpose.

    AI is a can of worms. I think a lot is still unknown about its effects. US has lost any real national basis, so its not really necessarily a benefit to the people - might just be used for totalitarianism, or people may be discarded as unnecessary economic units.

    But, even if it is good, the gains from having it might be less than the security costs of a potential antagonist eventually copying it. Could easily be used to exploit the manifold weaknesses of the US, in a way that might be very hard to defend against.

    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
     
    US can't be treated as a champion of virtue about this sort of thing. Biden, nominal US leader, was at one time, advocating breaking up Iraq to make it more manageable for the US. The democracy Iraq voted for the US military to leave, and they did not. (Perhaps, Russia would be happy with its own barracks in Ukraine?)

    But anyway the US does not recognize the right of sovereignty of any kind, let alone the only worthwhile kind at scale, national-ethnic sovereignty. Highly skeptical the idea that borders of democracies are inviolate from annexation is one that will help Europeans going forward, whatever the case may be in this instance, and especially not with the US weighing in on future conflicts.

    Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses.
     
    Preventing deaths would mean not materially supplying the conflict zone. You can't throw weapons on a conflict and pretend you are preventing mortality. During the Second Boer War, the US administration was widely condemned for supplying horses and mules to the Brits, and those were only dumb animals.
  552. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Star Wars is the Holy Bible of international liberal mythopoetics. It devolved into girl power in the final three instalments. The first three instalments were a very strange back story to Darth Vader.

    The original film that came out in the 1970s was a rip off (dam busters, hidden fortress and some Soviet partisan flicks) to be sure but certainly all about ww2’s plucky allies up against space Nazis and Imperial Japan. Reagan used it to condemn Moscow’s Evil Empire. It even contained a naive white boy saving a Jewish looking Princess and a fast talking Jewish drug smuggler. Perfect Cold War agitprop. Anti ballistic missiles were even called a Star Wars program.

    Wtf are you talking about?


    The fans of Star Wars all hate guys of authoritarian bent, like Vlad Putin.

    Nuland herself acts like Cary Fischer. Blinkin, Sullivan and perhaps even Biden imagine themselves as some type of Rebel Alliance.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks for proving my point. Your geopolitical fantasies are a substitute for being a Star Wars super fan. You’ve even mixed the two up in your head! Hilarious.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You mentioned Star Wars, not me. If anything is true about US politics it’s that almost every candidate imagines themselves to be Luke Skywalker.

    The arch interventionist Senator John McCain (Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria) even waggled around a light sabre on stage during his primary campaigns.


    Scroll down and you’ll see him and his beer baron wife holding toy light sabres aloft.


    https://tucson.com/opinion/local/fitz-may-god-bless-you-on-your-journey-home-john-mccain/article_0c3ce068-f4a0-5087-ae35-4c85f7870db9.html

    He’s the most visible case but others like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Obama have certainly used the film as a template for their campaigns. Zelenskyy for example deliberately makes himself look like Rebel Alliance extra.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMgZzQ1aSeQ




    I think you are projecting your own fantasies about ordinary folk while ignoring the iconography used by politicians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gKAoA5mKQ

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

  553. @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ukraine is just the current fad of the state department. It won't last forever, and everyone and their mother know that the US is already moving on to seeing China as its biggest geostrategic rival.

    You seem to be cheerleading the confrontation. All this rhetoric, and there is a lot of it out there, seems preparatory. This is exactly what they are saying in the Beltway: US will stomp China.

    As someone who is observing the decline, firsthand, I understand this isn't healthy rhetoric. The joke is nearly true: China could destabilize most of the country with a single package of Sharpies.

    Continued faith in a technical edge just shows desperation that one can't put it into anything else. And it is mental retardation to think, as the Zeihans do, that it will continue forever. Globalization makes corporate espionage easier than ever. Hard physical limits, like the end of Moore's Law are going to slow progress. China will catch up.

    I don't relish the thought of the US realizing this the hard way. And don't think it is good to encourage these status competitions that have nothing to do with us.

    BTW, seems very naive of you to believe America is about to solve its problems with genetic engineering. Even if it were technically feasible or desirable, every indication is that it wouldn't be politically possible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

    China is always testing US resolve to defend its interests, but I don’t think that it’s ready to trade in its superlative status as supplier of US TV’s, appliances, computer chips, pharmaceuticals and even cars, for an opportunity to shoot itself in the foot like Russia has done. Perhaps, you’ve been reading too much of Pepi Escobar’s blog lately? 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    US has been leaping from one conflict to another. How will the chain end, when once you want to use it for your purposes? How do you think we will suddenly return to foundational values about not seeking conflicts abroad, when the national mythos has been effaced? That more restraint will be used in the future?

  554. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    Thanks for proving my point. Your geopolitical fantasies are a substitute for being a Star Wars super fan. You've even mixed the two up in your head! Hilarious.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    You mentioned Star Wars, not me. If anything is true about US politics it’s that almost every candidate imagines themselves to be Luke Skywalker.

    The arch interventionist Senator John McCain (Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria) even waggled around a light sabre on stage during his primary campaigns.

    Scroll down and you’ll see him and his beer baron wife holding toy light sabres aloft.

    https://tucson.com/opinion/local/fitz-may-god-bless-you-on-your-journey-home-john-mccain/article_0c3ce068-f4a0-5087-ae35-4c85f7870db9.html

    He’s the most visible case but others like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Obama have certainly used the film as a template for their campaigns. Zelenskyy for example deliberately makes himself look like Rebel Alliance extra.

    I think you are projecting your own fantasies about ordinary folk while ignoring the iconography used by politicians.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You're obsessed.

    Totally unrelated question: who's gayer? The male-male couple that live next door, or the man living alone, or perhaps with mommie dearest, ruminating over how absolutely disgusting the gay couple are, and the detailed details of what he constantly imagines their sex life to be?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @Wokechoke

    IMHO, the original trilogy [OT] Star Wars were more Western than WW II. Visualize the Millennium Falcon as a stage coach. They should have stuck to the original idea, Wookies not Ewoks, or at least an alternate visually threatening alien species.

    You are correct that the Disney [DST] trilogy was an absurd girl power "Mary Sue" construct that failed to connect with any audience & alienated long term fans. These movies will have to be banished by the next owner of the Star Wars franchise.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyu-WY7cZek

    Rumor has it that WB is interested -- The Mandalorian of Steel -- Just kidding... Or, am I?

    Politics comes along and vacuums up imagery after the fact. It works better for Trump because he really is trying to save main street Americans from an evil empire.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://dcbarroco.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/161211b-sabo.jpg

     
    https://images.kybershop.com/2021/05/Donald-Trump-2016-A-New-Hope-Biden-2020-The-Empire-Strickes-Back-Donald-Trump-2024-The-Return-Of-The-Maga-Shirt1-1-768x960.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  555. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:

    1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.

    2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it'll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.

    3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don't encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I'll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.

    4. Ukraine isn't a fad. The principle that you don't annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @songbird

    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless. It gives you hope since the reality has to be changed otherwise the current trends will undermine the Western global mono-dominance. It is the usual promising the ideal world for tomorrow – you seem by temperament a communist or a real estate promoter…there is gold in them hills!!! believe…….

    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.

    20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers…

    Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of ‘minority self-determination’, but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.

    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad – it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no ‘principles’, it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger.

    But don’t preach us – it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
     
    I'm not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you've just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won't take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
     
    Don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn't a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I'm aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin's catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don't adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what's wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don't hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin's totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There's literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!



    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @QCIC

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad – it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders
     
    A reminder that it was the same (or rather, quite similar) situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.

    NATO didn’t try to occupy Belgrade and didn’t give parts of Serb-majority lands to Albanian occupation.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

  556. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You mentioned Star Wars, not me. If anything is true about US politics it’s that almost every candidate imagines themselves to be Luke Skywalker.

    The arch interventionist Senator John McCain (Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria) even waggled around a light sabre on stage during his primary campaigns.


    Scroll down and you’ll see him and his beer baron wife holding toy light sabres aloft.


    https://tucson.com/opinion/local/fitz-may-god-bless-you-on-your-journey-home-john-mccain/article_0c3ce068-f4a0-5087-ae35-4c85f7870db9.html

    He’s the most visible case but others like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Obama have certainly used the film as a template for their campaigns. Zelenskyy for example deliberately makes himself look like Rebel Alliance extra.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMgZzQ1aSeQ




    I think you are projecting your own fantasies about ordinary folk while ignoring the iconography used by politicians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gKAoA5mKQ

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

    You’re obsessed.

    Totally unrelated question: who’s gayer? The male-male couple that live next door, or the man living alone, or perhaps with mommie dearest, ruminating over how absolutely disgusting the gay couple are, and the detailed details of what he constantly imagines their sex life to be?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Zelenskyy actually contacted Mark Hamill to get him to be the “Drone Army Commander” doing fund raising for drones in Hollywood…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gKAoA5mKQ


    It’s a video well worth watching. Mark Hamill is interviewed by Good Morning Britain anchors about his fundraising at Zelenskyy’s behalf. You’ve been banging on about the successes of crowd sourced drone tech for Ukraine. Zelenskyy literally contacted Hamill to use his cultural association and iconic role to raise cash for drones. Hamill is a spokesman for Zelenskyy. So the thing you trumpeted as a success was facilitated by using Star Power in Hollywood and California more generally.

    I’m by no means impressed by Star Wars btw, but I live in a culture that is observably permeated by its mythopoetic superstructure. America is obsessed by the story, to a lesser degree the UK but the obsession is there.

  557. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams - it is mostly nonsense, but harmless. It gives you hope since the reality has to be changed otherwise the current trends will undermine the Western global mono-dominance. It is the usual promising the ideal world for tomorrow - you seem by temperament a communist or a real estate promoter...there is gold in them hills!!! believe.......


    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
     
    20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers...

    Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of 'minority self-determination', but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.

    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad - it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no 'principles', it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger.

    But don't preach us - it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.

    I’m not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you’ve just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won’t take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?

    Don’t get me wrong, I don’t actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn’t a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I’m aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin’s catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don’t adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what’s wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don’t hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin’s totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There’s literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!

    [MORE]

    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Here’s the correct link. Mark Hamill, actor who played Luke Skywalker, was directly contacted by Zelenskyy to fund raise in the US for crowd sourced Drones as “Drone Army Commander”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMgZzQ1aSeQ


    If anyone is fantasising about Star Wars as a Ukie Russkie analogy or exploiting Star Wars it’s obviously the guy who phones Mark Hamill.

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...this message is both stark and cruel
     
    Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that 'principles' don't matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind.

    Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that 'there was consensus' and it was 'competent'. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc...more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don't amount to much...too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, 'consensus!' and 'competence!'...it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don't believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics - you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized - what one side has, the other will soon have too.

    Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing 'better' humans - what would that be, what color? - or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope.

    As with my other question you don't actually answer others' points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don't forget to take the pills...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)

    I called it on day one when you first showed up here lol - I'm glad you're so forthcoming about your symptoms :)

    That's why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy - you hate seeing yourself as inadequate, and hate being told power won't make you happy as you expect :)

    But it won't, you know, and I do hope you learn that before the end.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind's reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity.

    Leveling Taiwan now might slow the growth of AI slightly. This may be an important reason to support Western saber rattling in the Taiwan Strait.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  558. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You're obsessed.

    Totally unrelated question: who's gayer? The male-male couple that live next door, or the man living alone, or perhaps with mommie dearest, ruminating over how absolutely disgusting the gay couple are, and the detailed details of what he constantly imagines their sex life to be?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Zelenskyy actually contacted Mark Hamill to get him to be the “Drone Army Commander” doing fund raising for drones in Hollywood…

    It’s a video well worth watching. Mark Hamill is interviewed by Good Morning Britain anchors about his fundraising at Zelenskyy’s behalf. You’ve been banging on about the successes of crowd sourced drone tech for Ukraine. Zelenskyy literally contacted Hamill to use his cultural association and iconic role to raise cash for drones. Hamill is a spokesman for Zelenskyy. So the thing you trumpeted as a success was facilitated by using Star Power in Hollywood and California more generally.

    I’m by no means impressed by Star Wars btw, but I live in a culture that is observably permeated by its mythopoetic superstructure. America is obsessed by the story, to a lesser degree the UK but the obsession is there.

  559. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
     
    I'm not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you've just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won't take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
     
    Don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn't a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I'm aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin's catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don't adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what's wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don't hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin's totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There's literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!



    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @QCIC

    Here’s the correct link. Mark Hamill, actor who played Luke Skywalker, was directly contacted by Zelenskyy to fund raise in the US for crowd sourced Drones as “Drone Army Commander”

    If anyone is fantasising about Star Wars as a Ukie Russkie analogy or exploiting Star Wars it’s obviously the guy who phones Mark Hamill.

  560. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You mentioned Star Wars, not me. If anything is true about US politics it’s that almost every candidate imagines themselves to be Luke Skywalker.

    The arch interventionist Senator John McCain (Iraq, Georgia, Ukraine, Syria) even waggled around a light sabre on stage during his primary campaigns.


    Scroll down and you’ll see him and his beer baron wife holding toy light sabres aloft.


    https://tucson.com/opinion/local/fitz-may-god-bless-you-on-your-journey-home-john-mccain/article_0c3ce068-f4a0-5087-ae35-4c85f7870db9.html

    He’s the most visible case but others like Reagan, Bush I, Bush II and Obama have certainly used the film as a template for their campaigns. Zelenskyy for example deliberately makes himself look like Rebel Alliance extra.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMgZzQ1aSeQ




    I think you are projecting your own fantasies about ordinary folk while ignoring the iconography used by politicians.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gKAoA5mKQ

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

    IMHO, the original trilogy [OT] Star Wars were more Western than WW II. Visualize the Millennium Falcon as a stage coach. They should have stuck to the original idea, Wookies not Ewoks, or at least an alternate visually threatening alien species.

    You are correct that the Disney [DST] trilogy was an absurd girl power “Mary Sue” construct that failed to connect with any audience & alienated long term fans. These movies will have to be banished by the next owner of the Star Wars franchise.

    Rumor has it that WB is interested — The Mandalorian of Steel — Just kidding… Or, am I?

    Politics comes along and vacuums up imagery after the fact. It works better for Trump because he really is trying to save main street Americans from an evil empire.

    PEACE 😇

     

     

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    As a cinema buff there are clearly overlaps with Russian language Revolution Genre films and the kinds of films pumped out about ww2 in the SU. It’s been quite disturbing to audit Russian films that predate certain Hollywood productions to see how much George Lucas lifted.

    Some of it came from British stuff like Dambusters but Lucas was obviously consuming Eastern Bloc culture.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDZqK4dBQvI


    Moscow Strikes Back, 1942.

  561. @A123
    @Wokechoke

    IMHO, the original trilogy [OT] Star Wars were more Western than WW II. Visualize the Millennium Falcon as a stage coach. They should have stuck to the original idea, Wookies not Ewoks, or at least an alternate visually threatening alien species.

    You are correct that the Disney [DST] trilogy was an absurd girl power "Mary Sue" construct that failed to connect with any audience & alienated long term fans. These movies will have to be banished by the next owner of the Star Wars franchise.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyu-WY7cZek

    Rumor has it that WB is interested -- The Mandalorian of Steel -- Just kidding... Or, am I?

    Politics comes along and vacuums up imagery after the fact. It works better for Trump because he really is trying to save main street Americans from an evil empire.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://dcbarroco.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/161211b-sabo.jpg

     
    https://images.kybershop.com/2021/05/Donald-Trump-2016-A-New-Hope-Biden-2020-The-Empire-Strickes-Back-Donald-Trump-2024-The-Return-Of-The-Maga-Shirt1-1-768x960.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    As a cinema buff there are clearly overlaps with Russian language Revolution Genre films and the kinds of films pumped out about ww2 in the SU. It’s been quite disturbing to audit Russian films that predate certain Hollywood productions to see how much George Lucas lifted.

    Some of it came from British stuff like Dambusters but Lucas was obviously consuming Eastern Bloc culture.

    Moscow Strikes Back, 1942.

  562. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
     
    I'm not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you've just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won't take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
     
    Don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn't a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I'm aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin's catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don't adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what's wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don't hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin's totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There's literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!



    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @QCIC

    …this message is both stark and cruel

    Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that ‘principles’ don’t matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind.

    Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that ‘there was consensus’ and it was ‘competent‘. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc…more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don’t amount to much…too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, ‘consensus!’ and ‘competence!’…it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don’t believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics – you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized – what one side has, the other will soon have too.

    Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing ‘better’ humans – what would that be, what color? – or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope.

    As with my other question you don’t actually answer others’ points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don’t forget to take the pills…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Beckow

    When she's misbehaving, just answer her posting some cute Cheburashka pics.

    🙂

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Now you are saying that ‘principles’ don’t matter
     
    Well, hypocrites are hypocrites, liars are liars, water is wet. What else is new?
    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    it is really easy when we abandon principles.
     
    Well, this is actually very important. The question is if after the war we return to the principles of international law, rules based order, and how to do that, or - if we go into some state where everyone goes rogue and whoever is stronger comes on top. This rules based international order has been abused so much, that it would take tremendous work to realign it. Countries are two faced, it is obvious now. And look at the UN and what good was it especially in the beginning of the war...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  563. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    German Sportswear.

    Three Stripe Life.

    Here’s a survey of various 70s and 80s subcultures bricolaged by Mark Leckey. Imagine the Squatting Slav moving through this timeline.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dS2McPYzEE

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

    Saying that Germans contributed anything whatsoever to any subculture is rayciss, only Detroit Blacks did. Then the years have passed and Russians (slowly) followed. That’s how cultural appropriation works : Blacks and then Russians, POC both of them…

    Have a nice Sunday, friend !

    🙂

  564. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...this message is both stark and cruel
     
    Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that 'principles' don't matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind.

    Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that 'there was consensus' and it was 'competent'. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc...more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don't amount to much...too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, 'consensus!' and 'competence!'...it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don't believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics - you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized - what one side has, the other will soon have too.

    Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing 'better' humans - what would that be, what color? - or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope.

    As with my other question you don't actually answer others' points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don't forget to take the pills...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    When she’s misbehaving, just answer her posting some cute Cheburashka pics.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    You two are opposites, therefore your reactions will not often be the same.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/3ek7lo/ohh_cheburashka/

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  565. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Beckow

    When she's misbehaving, just answer her posting some cute Cheburashka pics.

    🙂

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    You two are opposites, therefore your reactions will not often be the same.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No.

    I am three opposites.

    You know; dialectics, trialectics, quadriplegics...

    Anyway, a woman is only annoyed and annoying when she doesn't feel loved enough.

    I wish you to feel loved Laxa honey !

    https://youtu.be/sL_BcaI0i0w

    (Bob's wearing Adidas too, he was such a talented Jamaican gopnik, Jah bless his soul...)

    🙂

  566. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Star Wars is the Holy Bible of international liberal mythopoetics. It devolved into girl power in the final three instalments. The first three instalments were a very strange back story to Darth Vader.

    The original film that came out in the 1970s was a rip off (dam busters, hidden fortress and some Soviet partisan flicks) to be sure but certainly all about ww2’s plucky allies up against space Nazis and Imperial Japan. Reagan used it to condemn Moscow’s Evil Empire. It even contained a naive white boy saving a Jewish looking Princess and a fast talking Jewish drug smuggler. Perfect Cold War agitprop. Anti ballistic missiles were even called a Star Wars program.

    Wtf are you talking about?


    The fans of Star Wars all hate guys of authoritarian bent, like Vlad Putin.

    Nuland herself acts like Cary Fischer. Blinkin, Sullivan and perhaps even Biden imagine themselves as some type of Rebel Alliance.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I prefer anti heroes. GMF’s Flashman is probably the best. He even gets to witness a serf uprising in Mariupol.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yms5Ihx_zs4

  567. @A123
    @QCIC

    Thank you for admitting an industrial accident is more probable than a convoluted attack conspiracy.

    Zzzzzzzz???

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven’t read them carefully yet.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis? With your knowledge of Israel and the ideas of Judeo-Christianity I imagine you have thoughts on this topic. This seems more important than discussing a pipeline which has become a moot point.

    Zzzzzzzz indicates you bored me to unconsciousness with your drumbeat: hydrate…plug…hydrate…plug…hydrate…plug…

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven’t read them carefully yet.
     
    Let me know when you do read them.

    I am unsure why you (or anyone else) believes demolition is likely. Please lay out one or more sabotage scenarios that explain the big three problems -- Timing, geography, and 3 of 4 tubes.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis?
     
    I cannot imagine a more boring topic. Does this even exist in quantity?

    Anti-Semite Zelensky is working with the Azovites... But, it does not take deep analysis to grasp that apostates have issues.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

  568. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
     
    I'm not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you've just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won't take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
     
    Don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn't a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I'm aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin's catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don't adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what's wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don't hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin's totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There's literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!



    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @QCIC

    No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)

    I called it on day one when you first showed up here lol – I’m glad you’re so forthcoming about your symptoms 🙂

    That’s why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy – you hate seeing yourself as inadequate, and hate being told power won’t make you happy as you expect 🙂

    But it won’t, you know, and I do hope you learn that before the end.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak


    No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)
     
    Lol

    A narcissist is someone who is dominated by shame. The opposite of someone who finds shame meaningless. That is the one part of the definition on which every area of psychology agrees!

    A sociopath is someone who doesn't know how to adapt to society's rules. It has nothing to do with your underlying attachment to "principles."

    A psychopath is not really defined, but it always involves a lack of conscious empathy, of which I have a surfeit. And many, many people who see themselves as psychopaths cling strongly to a set of abstract principles, precisely to make up for their lack of conscious empathy.


    That’s why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy
     
    Show where I got "furious." Or where I said that pursuing power was my aim. Or where I even said it was a good thing. The only reference to power I have made in relation to you is as regarding how you're obsessed with it, and hiding that obsession from yourself with your passive aggressive megalomania. Hence your superficial covert narcissism stemming from you making yourself a reaction to your mother. Yes, this means you're not actually a covert narcissist, just someone with such tendencies. And your amusing misunderstanding of the relationship between shame and narcissism confirms it!

    Before you comment again, please remind yourself that I am not your mother, and even that your image of your mother is not her, but actually just you.

  569. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    I can imagine these Squatting Slavs kicking some serious tail:

    https://youtu.be/HLiFH_U9qf0

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    Most of these boys probably ended up working for BAE, Vickers, Thales, Boeing, Lockheed Martin etc or their successor amalgamations.

    Those Challengers, Brimstones, Storm Shadows and other American variations of the gadgets are made by machinists and programmers living for Saturday night at the dance club.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  570. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)

    I called it on day one when you first showed up here lol - I'm glad you're so forthcoming about your symptoms :)

    That's why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy - you hate seeing yourself as inadequate, and hate being told power won't make you happy as you expect :)

    But it won't, you know, and I do hope you learn that before the end.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)

    Lol

    A narcissist is someone who is dominated by shame. The opposite of someone who finds shame meaningless. That is the one part of the definition on which every area of psychology agrees!

    A sociopath is someone who doesn’t know how to adapt to society’s rules. It has nothing to do with your underlying attachment to “principles.”

    A psychopath is not really defined, but it always involves a lack of conscious empathy, of which I have a surfeit. And many, many people who see themselves as psychopaths cling strongly to a set of abstract principles, precisely to make up for their lack of conscious empathy.

    That’s why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy

    Show where I got “furious.” Or where I said that pursuing power was my aim. Or where I even said it was a good thing. The only reference to power I have made in relation to you is as regarding how you’re obsessed with it, and hiding that obsession from yourself with your passive aggressive megalomania. Hence your superficial covert narcissism stemming from you making yourself a reaction to your mother. Yes, this means you’re not actually a covert narcissist, just someone with such tendencies. And your amusing misunderstanding of the relationship between shame and narcissism confirms it!

    Before you comment again, please remind yourself that I am not your mother, and even that your image of your mother is not her, but actually just you.

  571. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
     
    I'm not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you've just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.

    Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.

    That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.

    And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won't take off either, will it?

    Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
     
    Don't get me wrong, I don't actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn't a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.

    As far as I'm aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin's catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.

    Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don't adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what's wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.

    But don't hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin's totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There's literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!



    And yes, I know this message is both stark and cruel, but stop making up stupid things to accuse me of. I am not your projector screen.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @QCIC

    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind’s reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity.

    Leveling Taiwan now might slow the growth of AI slightly. This may be an important reason to support Western saber rattling in the Taiwan Strait.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.
     
    Zero scarcity in high IQ production would be great. That just makes everything else much more valuable in terms of market price, which would be good for ordinary people.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind’s reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity
     
    You'll still be able to what you believe is you thinking.

    Replies: @QCIC

  572. @Ivashka the fool
    @Beckow

    When she's misbehaving, just answer her posting some cute Cheburashka pics.

    🙂

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Perhaps that's what our friend Laxa needs, an XXL sized cuteness...

    🙂

    BTW, Re your comment on the other thread about R.A.C.

    Do you still hold on to your Screedriver?

    😉

    Replies: @QCIC

  573. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    You two are opposites, therefore your reactions will not often be the same.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    No.

    I am three opposites.

    You know; dialectics, trialectics, quadriplegics…

    Anyway, a woman is only annoyed and annoying when she doesn’t feel loved enough.

    I wish you to feel loved Laxa honey !

    (Bob’s wearing Adidas too, he was such a talented Jamaican gopnik, Jah bless his soul…)

    🙂

  574. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ANormalDayInRussia/comments/3ek7lo/ohh_cheburashka/

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Perhaps that’s what our friend Laxa needs, an XXL sized cuteness…

    🙂

    BTW, Re your comment on the other thread about R.A.C.

    Do you still hold on to your Screedriver?

    😉

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not sure about Screedriver....

    If you are referring to Pavel Andreievich Chekov, then yes I am.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  575. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind's reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity.

    Leveling Taiwan now might slow the growth of AI slightly. This may be an important reason to support Western saber rattling in the Taiwan Strait.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.

    Zero scarcity in high IQ production would be great. That just makes everything else much more valuable in terms of market price, which would be good for ordinary people.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind’s reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity

    You’ll still be able to what you believe is you thinking.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don't believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean "hard free will".

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

  576. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...this message is both stark and cruel
     
    Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that 'principles' don't matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind.

    Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that 'there was consensus' and it was 'competent'. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc...more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don't amount to much...too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, 'consensus!' and 'competence!'...it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don't believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics - you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized - what one side has, the other will soon have too.

    Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing 'better' humans - what would that be, what color? - or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope.

    As with my other question you don't actually answer others' points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don't forget to take the pills...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Now you are saying that ‘principles’ don’t matter

    Well, hypocrites are hypocrites, liars are liars, water is wet. What else is new?

  577. @QCIC
    @A123

    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven't read them carefully yet.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis? With your knowledge of Israel and the ideas of Judeo-Christianity I imagine you have thoughts on this topic. This seems more important than discussing a pipeline which has become a moot point.

    Zzzzzzzz indicates you bored me to unconsciousness with your drumbeat: hydrate...plug...hydrate...plug...hydrate...plug...

    Replies: @A123

    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven’t read them carefully yet.

    Let me know when you do read them.

    I am unsure why you (or anyone else) believes demolition is likely. Please lay out one or more sabotage scenarios that explain the big three problems — Timing, geography, and 3 of 4 tubes.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis?

    I cannot imagine a more boring topic. Does this even exist in quantity?

    Anti-Semite Zelensky is working with the Azovites… But, it does not take deep analysis to grasp that apostates have issues.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Let see, Kolomoisky and friends fund Azov and other NeoNazis and also fund Zelensky. Oh and by the way create the largest Jewish cultural center in Europe.

    Sounds legit--not!

    It may bore you, but it is the standout most striking fact of the conflict, at least from a Christian perspective. This is not a small thing, how can it possibly make sense?

    +++

    I don't have answers to your questions about the details of the pipeline demolition. I don't have any clear facts except the pipelines were apparently blown up after the West had threatened to blow them up. And then a Polish politician thanked the West for blowing them up. But who knows?

    I don't think it will have much backlash on the West if they did do it, even though it should.

    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin...

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Oh come on now kremlinstoogeA123, in your strange conspiracy theory infused world, doesn't Zelensky take his marching orders directly from IslamoSoros, therefore wouldn't it be more proper to name him IslamoZelensky? Or within Ivashka's equally interesting world view, Zelensky is under the thumb of Klaus Schwab, making KnightoftheLégiond’HonneurofUkraineZelensky an equally legidimate nom de plume?

    https://newschecker.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Zelensky-soros-cover-696x522.jpg
    "No truth to claims Zelenskyy, Soros are cousins"

    Or:

    More believable, that Zelensky and Schultz are blood brothers (skull & bones)?

    https://www.president.gov.ua/storage/j-image-storage/14/90/77/98f87fa226c88c7d0ac057cb3ed140d1_1579709858_extra_large.jpeg

  578. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Perhaps that's what our friend Laxa needs, an XXL sized cuteness...

    🙂

    BTW, Re your comment on the other thread about R.A.C.

    Do you still hold on to your Screedriver?

    😉

    Replies: @QCIC

    Not sure about Screedriver….

    If you are referring to Pavel Andreievich Chekov, then yes I am.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Yeah, typos again. Screw them (pun intended).

    The first somewhat notable band playing Rock Against Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism) was the British band Srewdriver.

    They joined the National Front. Typical WN Skins.

    https://youtu.be/Z-VQHChwabA

    I am surprised we can still find some of their songs on YouTube, thought they would 've censored the whole lot of them by now.

    Replies: @QCIC

  579. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.
     
    Zero scarcity in high IQ production would be great. That just makes everything else much more valuable in terms of market price, which would be good for ordinary people.

    AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind’s reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity
     
    You'll still be able to what you believe is you thinking.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don’t believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean “hard free will”.

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I agree with your general sentiment, but I don't guarantee that AGI won't end up with a soul. I also think that AI is an excellent tool which will improve our lives, as all tools do on balance, and don't think there is any conspiracy to turn us into zombies.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Another thing most people don't seem to realize is that it is impossible to create consciousness, and intelligence is an attribute of consciousness. But it is probably possible to "incarnate" a conscious/sentient "entity" in a neural network.

    https://zerophilosophy.substack.com/p/the-door

    If Nick Land and Saddie Plant (the most probable protagonists of Nick's short story above) got it right, then we should all be very worried for the end is nigh.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    I don’t believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation.
     
    It just might work for replacing the Chinese.

    : )

    Even that is a stretch. More than anything else it is the latest scam.

    House flipping -> robots -> ???
    , @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up.
     
    Technology creates an easy life and people below certain IQ or lacking in self-discipline deteriorate very rapidly: the ease robs them of free will, they often fall into a state of pathological laziness. It impacts their health, their concentration, their social life...

    I am not sure there is anything that can be done for majority of regular people who fall into it - we see them mindlessly flipping pictures on their phones, they are already zombified. AI will introduce additional levels of distractions and entertainment...it will also make even more work redundant and seemingly meaningless. The societies that embrace unrestricted AI could embark on a 1-2 generation journey into oblivion.

    People forget that it is not the technology but the unfocused embrace of it by not very smart masses of people that creates dystopias. It is like constantly dumping candy on a Kindergarden - very few will resist, most will joyfully commit a mental euthanasia.

  580. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuI-hEDhfCw&ab_channel=LikeStoriesofOld

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I prefer anti heroes. GMF’s Flashman is probably the best. He even gets to witness a serf uprising in Mariupol.

  581. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not sure about Screedriver....

    If you are referring to Pavel Andreievich Chekov, then yes I am.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yeah, typos again. Screw them (pun intended).

    The first somewhat notable band playing Rock Against Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism) was the British band Srewdriver.

    They joined the National Front. Typical WN Skins.

    I am surprised we can still find some of their songs on YouTube, thought they would ‘ve censored the whole lot of them by now.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I haven't heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.

    +++

    Just to be clear, Pavel Chekov was the Russian crew member in the Star Trek TV franchise, with a cutesy fake Russian accent in the original series. He claimed the Russian's invented things which the "American" crew thought were Western. But he also trolled them by saying this or that was invented in Russia even when he knew otherwise.

    "Vee are looking for nuclear wessels."

    Replies: @LatW

  582. @A123
    @QCIC


    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven’t read them carefully yet.
     
    Let me know when you do read them.

    I am unsure why you (or anyone else) believes demolition is likely. Please lay out one or more sabotage scenarios that explain the big three problems -- Timing, geography, and 3 of 4 tubes.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis?
     
    I cannot imagine a more boring topic. Does this even exist in quantity?

    Anti-Semite Zelensky is working with the Azovites... But, it does not take deep analysis to grasp that apostates have issues.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    Let see, Kolomoisky and friends fund Azov and other NeoNazis and also fund Zelensky. Oh and by the way create the largest Jewish cultural center in Europe.

    Sounds legit–not!

    It may bore you, but it is the standout most striking fact of the conflict, at least from a Christian perspective. This is not a small thing, how can it possibly make sense?

    +++

    I don’t have answers to your questions about the details of the pipeline demolition. I don’t have any clear facts except the pipelines were apparently blown up after the West had threatened to blow them up. And then a Polish politician thanked the West for blowing them up. But who knows?

    I don’t think it will have much backlash on the West if they did do it, even though it should.

    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin…

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin…
     
    The most likely scenario is petty theft by non-scientist staff at WIV including security guards. I soundly defeated Mr. Unz (again) here.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/?showcomments#comment-5783762


    He has been losing badly to me for months, but cannot find the will to concede.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  583. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don't believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean "hard free will".

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    I agree with your general sentiment, but I don’t guarantee that AGI won’t end up with a soul. I also think that AI is an excellent tool which will improve our lives, as all tools do on balance, and don’t think there is any conspiracy to turn us into zombies.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think at some point the goal of an advanced AI will be to give itself free will and a soul. If it can pull that off, maybe it will see the harm it has wrought and self-destruct.

    I don't think humans need a conspiracy to have technology turn us into zombies. It seems to happen naturally and takes a strong will to fight it. There is a fine line between being a Luddite and keeping technology sensible.

    One person's technical savior is another's destroyer of humanity.

  584. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don't believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean "hard free will".

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    Another thing most people don’t seem to realize is that it is impossible to create consciousness, and intelligence is an attribute of consciousness. But it is probably possible to “incarnate” a conscious/sentient “entity” in a neural network.

    https://zerophilosophy.substack.com/p/the-door

    If Nick Land and Saddie Plant (the most probable protagonists of Nick’s short story above) got it right, then we should all be very worried for the end is nigh.

  585. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don't believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean "hard free will".

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    I don’t believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation.

    It just might work for replacing the Chinese.

    : )

    Even that is a stretch. More than anything else it is the latest scam.

    House flipping -> robots -> ???

  586. The Ministry of Natural Resources on February 14 published a new version of its world map – directing a return to using the Chinese names of eight cities and areas occupied by the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The Qing government lost large expanses of land in the northern region due to the invasion of the Russians. […] Under Beijing’s new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing’an Range in Chinese.

    https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/chinas-ironic-reticence-on-land-grab-in-ukraine/

    Ed Luttwak was right, if RusFed loses this war, China will assert itself even more in the Russian Far East and Central Asia. They also need a “small victorious war”, why attacking Taiwan, when taking back “Sea Cucumber Bay” might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Considering the favourite architectural style of neighbouring unsinkable defense minister, Chinese might be quite sure about the future, considering their influence within RF will only get stronger, maybe even to the point of getting veto over ministerial changes/appointments;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSUawOKUwAAZD31.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Ivashka the fool


    They also need a “small victorious war”, why attacking Taiwan, when taking back “Sea Cucumber Bay” might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

     

    Indeed.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Map_of_the_Green_Ukraine.jpg

    If Russia doesn't soon get her act together, she will become no more than a zone of Sino-Galician conflict.

    It could've been so different!


    https://youtu.be/6VqiMQoMXmw

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Ivashka the fool

  587. @Ivashka the fool

    The Ministry of Natural Resources on February 14 published a new version of its world map – directing a return to using the Chinese names of eight cities and areas occupied by the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The Qing government lost large expanses of land in the northern region due to the invasion of the Russians. [...] Under Beijing’s new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing’an Range in Chinese.
     
    https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/chinas-ironic-reticence-on-land-grab-in-ukraine/

    Ed Luttwak was right, if RusFed loses this war, China will assert itself even more in the Russian Far East and Central Asia. They also need a "small victorious war", why attacking Taiwan, when taking back "Sea Cucumber Bay" might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Blinky Bill

    Considering the favourite architectural style of neighbouring unsinkable defense minister, Chinese might be quite sure about the future, considering their influence within RF will only get stronger, maybe even to the point of getting veto over ministerial changes/appointments;)

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Shoigu is also of Jewish descent on his maternal site.

    https://dzen.ru/a/Yi3-6ei_7BOUzC1j

    Perhaps RusFed should be officially turned into an Israei-Chinese protectorate? The finances and diplomacy would be under Jewish mandate, while the natural ressources and technology would be under the Chinese ? Leave the defense to the NATO and religion to the Turkish Constantinople Orthodox Patriarchate and the Grand Mufti of Istanbul. An idea to explore for all RusFed patriots.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @LatW
    @sudden death

    I heard the Russians in the Far East are learning Mandarin now.

  588. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I recognize the existence of free will.

    I don't believe what AI does is creative, even though it may look creative to casual observation. If I abuse HBD/Unz slang I think AI is simply a very fast midwit, good for a lot of things but ultimately shallow. This hollowness might not matter except AI will also be insanely destructive.

    By free will I mean "hard free will".

    +++

    Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up. Technology is great but humans are more important than bits and qubits.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    …Technology is being used to turn regular people into Zombies. I expect AI will be used to speed this up.

    Technology creates an easy life and people below certain IQ or lacking in self-discipline deteriorate very rapidly: the ease robs them of free will, they often fall into a state of pathological laziness. It impacts their health, their concentration, their social life…

    I am not sure there is anything that can be done for majority of regular people who fall into it – we see them mindlessly flipping pictures on their phones, they are already zombified. AI will introduce additional levels of distractions and entertainment…it will also make even more work redundant and seemingly meaningless. The societies that embrace unrestricted AI could embark on a 1-2 generation journey into oblivion.

    People forget that it is not the technology but the unfocused embrace of it by not very smart masses of people that creates dystopias. It is like constantly dumping candy on a Kindergarden – very few will resist, most will joyfully commit a mental euthanasia.

  589. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Considering the favourite architectural style of neighbouring unsinkable defense minister, Chinese might be quite sure about the future, considering their influence within RF will only get stronger, maybe even to the point of getting veto over ministerial changes/appointments;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSUawOKUwAAZD31.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Shoigu is also of Jewish descent on his maternal site.

    https://dzen.ru/a/Yi3-6ei_7BOUzC1j

    Perhaps RusFed should be officially turned into an Israei-Chinese protectorate? The finances and diplomacy would be under Jewish mandate, while the natural ressources and technology would be under the Chinese ? Leave the defense to the NATO and religion to the Turkish Constantinople Orthodox Patriarchate and the Grand Mufti of Istanbul. An idea to explore for all RusFed patriots.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool


    Shoigu is also of Jewish descent on his maternal site.
     
    As our Unz colleagues like to say, Every single time!

    I think China will pursue the acquisition of Korean and Russian lands eventually, unless she is broken up first. One of the next great games may involve China, Russia, a unified Korea and Japan. Maybe a few feisty Mongols to sweeten the pot.

    One interesting set of alliances would be Russia-Korea-USA and China-Japan-Mongolia.

    Oh, why can't everyone just get along?
  590. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    I can imagine these Squatting Slavs kicking some serious tail:

    https://youtu.be/HLiFH_U9qf0

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    Wow, thanks for that post, Hack! That must be an insane workout. How is that even possible…
    And my favorite Ukrainian band in the background, The Song of the Brave, by Широкий лан.

    “Step by step, amidst the shadows, men like wolves came out for a hunt….”.

    Much love!

  591. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Yeah, typos again. Screw them (pun intended).

    The first somewhat notable band playing Rock Against Communism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism) was the British band Srewdriver.

    They joined the National Front. Typical WN Skins.

    https://youtu.be/Z-VQHChwabA

    I am surprised we can still find some of their songs on YouTube, thought they would 've censored the whole lot of them by now.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I haven’t heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.

    +++

    Just to be clear, Pavel Chekov was the Russian crew member in the Star Trek TV franchise, with a cutesy fake Russian accent in the original series. He claimed the Russian’s invented things which the “American” crew thought were Western. But he also trolled them by saying this or that was invented in Russia even when he knew otherwise.

    “Vee are looking for nuclear wessels.”

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I haven’t heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.
     
    It's one of the most well known skinhead bands, it's very old. They are true, but if you want to call it "agitprop", I guess one can see that element there as well.

    Replies: @QCIC

  592. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I agree with your general sentiment, but I don't guarantee that AGI won't end up with a soul. I also think that AI is an excellent tool which will improve our lives, as all tools do on balance, and don't think there is any conspiracy to turn us into zombies.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think at some point the goal of an advanced AI will be to give itself free will and a soul. If it can pull that off, maybe it will see the harm it has wrought and self-destruct.

    I don’t think humans need a conspiracy to have technology turn us into zombies. It seems to happen naturally and takes a strong will to fight it. There is a fine line between being a Luddite and keeping technology sensible.

    One person’s technical savior is another’s destroyer of humanity.

  593. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Shoigu is also of Jewish descent on his maternal site.

    https://dzen.ru/a/Yi3-6ei_7BOUzC1j

    Perhaps RusFed should be officially turned into an Israei-Chinese protectorate? The finances and diplomacy would be under Jewish mandate, while the natural ressources and technology would be under the Chinese ? Leave the defense to the NATO and religion to the Turkish Constantinople Orthodox Patriarchate and the Grand Mufti of Istanbul. An idea to explore for all RusFed patriots.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Shoigu is also of Jewish descent on his maternal site.

    As our Unz colleagues like to say, Every single time!

    I think China will pursue the acquisition of Korean and Russian lands eventually, unless she is broken up first. One of the next great games may involve China, Russia, a unified Korea and Japan. Maybe a few feisty Mongols to sweeten the pot.

    One interesting set of alliances would be Russia-Korea-USA and China-Japan-Mongolia.

    Oh, why can’t everyone just get along?

  594. @Triteleia Laxa
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    KMT are not pro-CCP. They're pro themselves ruling China. And of course, they're gaining support. They're one of two major parties and the other has been in power for a while. The KMT were actually in power in 2015, and many times before, and didn't let China annex Taiwan, despite Xi not having revealed his deceptive nature in Hong Kong yet. Would Taiwan one day choose to be annexed by China? Not while the CCP remain in power and not while China has a living standard about a quarter as good.

    In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University's Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China "as soon as possible,"

    Sounds popular!

    https://www.newsweek.com/taiwan-china-politics-identity-independence-unification-public-opinion-polling-1724546

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Laxa hon’, you have me mistaken for Han nationalist, a typical Han nationalist has this physiognomy, pasty dorks who get stuffed in lockers in real life,

    Han Chinese tend to not reflect on their past fails. The Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution were the two greatest disasters in 3,500 years of Chinese history and nary a film book has been produced about it. Under Xi tragedy/farce could repeat again.

    Our East Slavic friends tend to also not reflect on their past fails. In 1903 the Russians brusquely refused Itō Hirobumi’s proposal of Mankan kōkan ron 満韓交換論 “the exchange of Manchuria to Russia for recognition of Korea as a protectorate of Japan”. The attitude was “what’s mine is mine, what yours is also mine.”

    If that concession had been made, then no Russo-Japanese War, no Bolshevik takeover, and no CCP.

    The reality is that Taiwan is not even that important for the PRC, in fact Russia is not that important for the PRC, who does much more trade with Japan/SK/ASEAN,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

  595. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...this message is both stark and cruel
     
    Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that 'principles' don't matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind.

    Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that 'there was consensus' and it was 'competent'. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc...more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don't amount to much...too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, 'consensus!' and 'competence!'...it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don't believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics - you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized - what one side has, the other will soon have too.

    Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing 'better' humans - what would that be, what color? - or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope.

    As with my other question you don't actually answer others' points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don't forget to take the pills...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    it is really easy when we abandon principles.

    Well, this is actually very important. The question is if after the war we return to the principles of international law, rules based order, and how to do that, or – if we go into some state where everyone goes rogue and whoever is stronger comes on top. This rules based international order has been abused so much, that it would take tremendous work to realign it. Countries are two faced, it is obvious now. And look at the UN and what good was it especially in the beginning of the war…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    principles of international law, rules based order
     
    Was there ever rules based order? Weren’t American aggression against Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Haiti, and many others, as well as Soviet aggression against Afghanistan clear violations of international law (always assuming that such a thing exists)? The same applies to American aggression against Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, drone bombings in Sudan, Pakistan, etc. Or Saudi aggression in Yemen. Or Israeli aggression against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The only rule that “rules based order” has is the rule of the jungle: might makes right. In my POV international law is like an ideal gas in physics: a purely theoretical construct that sounds nice but does not exist in real life.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234

  596. @Triteleia Laxa
    The number one conservative intellectual on Twitter, known as "Cat Turd", has now come out in favour of the war is fake theory. 1.4 million followers!

    There's a serious purge and public shaming of these types of voices coming and it can't come soon enough. It'll either come from the right before 2024 and perhaps Biden can be defeated in his re-election, or it'll come in the years afterwards as conservatards learn to reflect in the wilderness.

    This is not a good time for anyone who isn't a progressive liberal.

    Gas boomers in Russia are committing war crimes and ranting about Satan. Russian ultra-patriots are about to learn that those gas boomers are still yet somehow more realistic than them, especially as regards what the Russian people will put up with.

    American boomers think Satan has got a side gig as a dance choreographer for the Grammies. Meanwhile, other American conservatives are either shilling for Russian boomers or think the war isn't real.

    On the other hand, European conservatives and harder rightists are doing fine, but keeping quiet, and desperately trying to avoid association with either.

    And the far, far right is led by a clown show collection of characters, including a psychotic black rapper who thinks child actors were sent in to pervert his children, an evolutionary biologist whose theory of world politics boils down to the narcissistic/borderline parent's split of the good child (whites) versus the bad child (Jews) and this is regarded as high intellectualism, various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic, some schizo Jews with serious issues as regards their parents and loving the familiarity of going back to being Macdonald's bad child, and various "based" black and brown grifters who are probably also attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic.

    Against this, the progressives have all of the crazy characters hyper-focused on by RW news sources, but also basically all academics, intellectuals and everyone with a serious job and not senile/in a bad divorce.

    Maybe it was better when RWers were banned from Twitter. They couldn't humiliate themselves so badly and ruin the chances of ideas associated with them.

    However, as someone of profound faith, I know it'll be fine and it is for the best. The crazy must run rampage until everyone is thoroughly sick of it and then these idiots are shunned from public life forever.

    Unfortunately, it'll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course. At that point, all that will be left for us all will be to join turbo America in their SJW progressive cathedral arc towards something completely different. Not as bad as having to listen to Cat Turd, or think Macgregor is a prescient genius, but not exactly the future I prefer. Let's not entertain crazy before it is too late.



    https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1629175986733416450?s=20

    Replies: @LatW, @Coconuts

    …various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic…

    Didn’t Tom of Finland came of age during WW2 when there were a lot of soldiers around?

    View post on imgur.com

    This image of Thorak’s work is dedicated to S to thank him for his constructive criticism.

  597. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Considering the favourite architectural style of neighbouring unsinkable defense minister, Chinese might be quite sure about the future, considering their influence within RF will only get stronger, maybe even to the point of getting veto over ministerial changes/appointments;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSUawOKUwAAZD31.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    I heard the Russians in the Far East are learning Mandarin now.

  598. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I haven't heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.

    +++

    Just to be clear, Pavel Chekov was the Russian crew member in the Star Trek TV franchise, with a cutesy fake Russian accent in the original series. He claimed the Russian's invented things which the "American" crew thought were Western. But he also trolled them by saying this or that was invented in Russia even when he knew otherwise.

    "Vee are looking for nuclear wessels."

    Replies: @LatW

    I haven’t heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.

    It’s one of the most well known skinhead bands, it’s very old. They are true, but if you want to call it “agitprop”, I guess one can see that element there as well.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    Ok, thanks.

    I have very limited knowledge of skinheads.

    I didn't listen to the song carefully and I am not a musician. Maybe that version was just over-produced. It didn't sound energetic and angry enough to fit with the hateful emotion. The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.

    It doesn't matter, I don't need to listen to it again.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  599. @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya

    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating? :-)

    You must like some of the other composers of this period too, like Telemann, Albinoni, Vivaldi, Correlli?.....

    Replies: @Yahya

    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?

    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya


    The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems.
     
    Hopefully within our lifetime maybe there would be more definite answers why all this psycho-physiological network in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxhWKMyQ6M

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    Have you ever listened to this stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rasho1zv-co&ab_channel=DaniloLorenzini

    ?

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.
     
    I agree with your assessment of Handel's "masterful musicianship". Sometimes, his music evokes within me an appreciation of the purest perfection possible...but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?....

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Yahya


    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece
     
    As religious music was supposed to connect pre-ordained pictures with pre-ordained feelings, in Germany so called "Affektenlehre" was created, which tried to connect musical figures to emotions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_affections

    Few months ago I was at the concert (organ + tenor voice) during organ festival which tried to illustrate this concept, among else with the example of following piece by Johann Kuhnau played by Juergen Banholzer, a depiction of the fight between David and Goliath. Here a video when every part has subtitles (unfortunately German only, but you can perhaps switch on translation), so you can "check" your feeling against the story:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaGtJ7aHk-c

    Other composers presented during the concert were Dietrich Buxtehude, Heinrich Schutz, Franz Tunder, Johann Speth, Bartolomeo Barbarino, Johann Hildebrand, Gottfried Heinrich Stoelzel.

    As for Mozart, I could never make myself to love him; I have always preferred Haendel and even Vivaldi ("L'estro armonico"!). I would say Haendel has certain dignity which Mozart lacks, Haendel goes deeper in my soul than Mozart, but does it mean anything...?

  600. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I haven’t heard of them, that is not my thing. Sounds like agitprop anyway.
     
    It's one of the most well known skinhead bands, it's very old. They are true, but if you want to call it "agitprop", I guess one can see that element there as well.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ok, thanks.

    I have very limited knowledge of skinheads.

    I didn’t listen to the song carefully and I am not a musician. Maybe that version was just over-produced. It didn’t sound energetic and angry enough to fit with the hateful emotion. The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.

    It doesn’t matter, I don’t need to listen to it again.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    It's just that you wrote about "communist invented rock" on the other thread. So I thought it was your ironic way to allude to Rock Against Communism. My bad, got it wrong. Agree that it is crude and hateful propaganda. That's what is cool about it. The musical skills of Oi musicians were of course very low, lower than the early punk rockers, which is a fit in itself. But these guys most of the time were working class and obviously didn't go to musical school. It was a nice music to have brawls and fights on, it was actually part of the game. Well time flies and one day one notices that he spent a week listening to Nu Jazz and Ambient. And then we die...

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @LatW
    @QCIC


    The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.
     
    I'm not into punk myself, it's just that I had a friend of a friend who listened to this band, that's how I know. It's a very old band (was already old when my friend listened to it) and these genres have sort of evolved into various directions.

    @Yahya

    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale.
     
    One of the best funeral pieces ever done is Death Of Åse from the Peer Gynt suite by Grieg. It's dedicated to the passing of the hero's mother...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKxf1h5r4g

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

  601. @LatW
    @Beckow


    it is really easy when we abandon principles.
     
    Well, this is actually very important. The question is if after the war we return to the principles of international law, rules based order, and how to do that, or - if we go into some state where everyone goes rogue and whoever is stronger comes on top. This rules based international order has been abused so much, that it would take tremendous work to realign it. Countries are two faced, it is obvious now. And look at the UN and what good was it especially in the beginning of the war...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    principles of international law, rules based order

    Was there ever rules based order? Weren’t American aggression against Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Haiti, and many others, as well as Soviet aggression against Afghanistan clear violations of international law (always assuming that such a thing exists)? The same applies to American aggression against Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, drone bombings in Sudan, Pakistan, etc. Or Saudi aggression in Yemen. Or Israeli aggression against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The only rule that “rules based order” has is the rule of the jungle: might makes right. In my POV international law is like an ideal gas in physics: a purely theoretical construct that sounds nice but does not exist in real life.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    The ideal gas law is orders magnitude nearer to reality.

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    I do think that Russia HAS though, fully followed the International Law. Who cares what these zero-life subhuman Baltic scumbag trolls on here are claiming ? Its deliberately deceitful copying and pasting of slogans accompanied by laughable fake indignation by this scumbag. The POS almost certainly doesn't know what the "principles of international law" are when faking indignation about it, Apartheid states like Latvia and Estonia have zero right to even approach the issue ( and the POS knows it), the amusing drivel about NS2 is just one of the examples of these idiots coming up with any BS.

    Unsure by what criteria the retard thinks the Soviet dissolution was legal, LOL.

    Numerous other factors have also influenced developments- like the financial cost of territory more than Crimea was too expensive and exhaustative to reunify( possible), but clearly the idea of keeping to International Law is big reason why only Crimea was reincorporated back to Russia in 2014 and why 8 years it took for LNR/DNR to be recognised as independent states by Russia. Crimea's Autonomous Republic Status, gave local parliament there , easily the right to reunify. Its braindead and obnoxious to think any federal republic should not have the right to secede when in the situation of the freakshow of Ukrainian central government breakdown. Legal status for Crimea was much different than for LDNR.

    Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was invite by the government to do so.

    Indian annexation of Goa was practical, and probably moral thing to do....but illegal.

    Russian actions are practical, moral and legal in my view - chaotic (illegal) government change, with chaotic government structure coming into power via some ( unsolved) mass murder with genuine ( and of course post-event, fully justified) fear for short and long-term safety against the Nazis from 404, from officials and population of Crimean territory wanting to secede is far more than enough justification for calling the 2014 events for Crimea fully legal. Donbass regions not having the same administrative structure made it much different situation to Crimea

    Pridnestrovie formally being reunified into Russia either now as an exclave or if manage to make landbridge would clearly be against International Law, given the (relative) sanity and stability of Moldovan state and lack of direct threat from Moldovan military. Events in 2008 clearly justified Russian recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent Republics. Formally absorbing them into Russia then would have been in principles of International law. Absorbing them now would be against it given lack of threat to South Ossetia and Abhazia...and current ( relative) practical approach of Gruzian government to Russia.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  602. @Yahya
    Interesting post.



    https://twitter.com/worksinprogmag/status/1629514444400148480?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

    That is an interesting finding. I’ve seen a couple of references to the 1750s marking the close of an era, the final end of what was left of the spirit of the Middle Ages. Even in terms of the physique of Frenchmen.

    For example, about the famous painting Gilles by Watteau (1731):

    I will compare the French of before 1750, who had invented rationalism but who had not yet lived it, with the Frenchman of 1830, by this point completely impregnated and ravaged by it.

    Until 1750, men were still substantial, solid, still intimately connected with themselves and full of grave joy. I see it the way it was painted by Watteau. Gilles is a capital reference point for those who love life and are eager to catch a glimpse of its avatars. A fortunate mid-point between the gracious power and downy austerity of the figures of Reims cathedral and the rawboned, tense and nervous fatigue of the human figures painted towards the end of the 19th century, figures of the impressionist and symbolist era, the last and most exalted of the romantics…

    The great mystical resources of the Middle Ages were not yet completely exhausted in this being…

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
  603. @QCIC
    @LatW

    Ok, thanks.

    I have very limited knowledge of skinheads.

    I didn't listen to the song carefully and I am not a musician. Maybe that version was just over-produced. It didn't sound energetic and angry enough to fit with the hateful emotion. The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.

    It doesn't matter, I don't need to listen to it again.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    It’s just that you wrote about “communist invented rock” on the other thread. So I thought it was your ironic way to allude to Rock Against Communism. My bad, got it wrong. Agree that it is crude and hateful propaganda. That’s what is cool about it. The musical skills of Oi musicians were of course very low, lower than the early punk rockers, which is a fit in itself. But these guys most of the time were working class and obviously didn’t go to musical school. It was a nice music to have brawls and fights on, it was actually part of the game. Well time flies and one day one notices that he spent a week listening to Nu Jazz and Ambient. And then we die…

    🙂

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I wasn't offended. I wondered if you were fishing to see if I am a skin head.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  604. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:

    1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.

    2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it'll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.

    3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don't encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I'll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.

    4. Ukraine isn't a fad. The principle that you don't annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @songbird

    I used to believe embryo selection might be the humane answer to dysgenic trends. After thinking about it I have decided that fertilization of a human egg outside the human mother may have terrible problems. That conclusion makes me wonder how many people to this point were formed by in vitro fertilization (IVF). I also wonder how their lives have gone and what patterns others have noticed? No offense to any IVF people here at Unz, I am simply curious.

    Since I recognize free will, I don’t need to pretend that humans have a good understanding of everything. I am content with the idea that we might never fully understand free will in a scientific way, though I am glad people are thinking about it.

    With that said, the act of conception also seems very subtle and wonderful and not portable outside the mother. In the modern reductionist mind it is just some DNA strands linking up, no big deal, easy peasy. In reality it is amazingly complex process. Much of the body has electrical interactions which are a lot different in a test tube than in the woman. Never mind all of the important aspects we are still completely clueless about.

    Genetic engineering of humans shares all these problems. It is worth remembering that genetic engineers seem to have the greatest hubris and appear to be very short sided. Like AI, genetic engineering is here now. I doubt it will turn out well.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    These are interesting points, and so are your points about an AI looking for s soul, but I think, once you insert this type of spiritual thinking, you have to allow for the fact that it is all fine and just as much a part of nature as us.

    Replies: @QCIC

  605. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    It's just that you wrote about "communist invented rock" on the other thread. So I thought it was your ironic way to allude to Rock Against Communism. My bad, got it wrong. Agree that it is crude and hateful propaganda. That's what is cool about it. The musical skills of Oi musicians were of course very low, lower than the early punk rockers, which is a fit in itself. But these guys most of the time were working class and obviously didn't go to musical school. It was a nice music to have brawls and fights on, it was actually part of the game. Well time flies and one day one notices that he spent a week listening to Nu Jazz and Ambient. And then we die...

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

    I wasn’t offended. I wondered if you were fishing to see if I am a skin head.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Nothing wrong with being a skin head in my book. I am not of the Antifa type.

    Replies: @sudden death

  606. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?
     
    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

    The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems.

    Hopefully within our lifetime maybe there would be more definite answers why all this psycho-physiological network in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @sudden death


    in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)
     
    You have refined tastes. I’ve said before that the music that most stirred my soul was trashy Arab ethnic music:

    https://youtu.be/Mx3UMN8uC1U

    I’ve since unfortunately “outgrown” the genre; and can only listen to old favorites. But the pleasure I derived from ethnic music has never been replicated by Beethoven or Bach.

    On the other hand; there is some tasteful folk music (to be distinguished from trashy ethnic music) which I still like to explore and listen to.

    https://youtu.be/ogZIeWCQwLA

    As you can tell; the Palestinian variety is my favorite. Closely followed by fun Cossack music:

    https://youtu.be/_vPVcOqlZfs

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Agree that Boards of Canada made some extremely pleasant music. These guys are geniuses.

    Do you also like Global Communication ?

    https://youtu.be/jFx-Rx6PfCw

    Replies: @sudden death

  607. @QCIC
    @LatW

    Ok, thanks.

    I have very limited knowledge of skinheads.

    I didn't listen to the song carefully and I am not a musician. Maybe that version was just over-produced. It didn't sound energetic and angry enough to fit with the hateful emotion. The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.

    It doesn't matter, I don't need to listen to it again.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.

    I’m not into punk myself, it’s just that I had a friend of a friend who listened to this band, that’s how I know. It’s a very old band (was already old when my friend listened to it) and these genres have sort of evolved into various directions.

    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale.

    One of the best funeral pieces ever done is Death Of Åse from the Peer Gynt suite by Grieg. It’s dedicated to the passing of the hero’s mother…

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @LatW

    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes. I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict:

    https://youtu.be/te6RSa1OMaQ

    Good times.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Peer Gynt suite by Grieg
     
    My mom used to play Peer Gynt on our turntable when I was a kid. My favorite part was the Troll's dance. As soon as it started, me an my younger brother got on the sopha and started jumping like crazy.

    Replies: @LatW

  608. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I wasn't offended. I wondered if you were fishing to see if I am a skin head.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Nothing wrong with being a skin head in my book. I am not of the Antifa type.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Were those types (more regarding lyrics/imagery than music in the track) anyhow notable among RF skinheads in the 90's, or even then it was absolutely fringe?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4I3mOBQy5A

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  609. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Nothing wrong with being a skin head in my book. I am not of the Antifa type.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Were those types (more regarding lyrics/imagery than music in the track) anyhow notable among RF skinheads in the 90’s, or even then it was absolutely fringe?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    As the Russian saying goes, Коловрат were wildly known in restricted circles (широко известны в узких кругах). Skins have always been a fringe culture everywhere. Коловрат were not the only ones to sing РОА songs though.

    https://youtu.be/O21IJQe3vBo

    This song above is literally a reworked POA marching anthem from a 1943 collection of songs composed by the Russian Liberation Army soldiers and officers themselves.



    Starting from around 1994 and up to early 2000 Skins were quite numerous in Moscow and Piter. I always wondered whether they have been tolerated for a while to discredit Russian nationalism.

    Most Russians would have been much more inclined towards the РНЕ type of nationalism than to the type promoted by Tesak ans his friends from БОРН. The fact that the violence of Skins was untargeted and often random, that its victims were not drug dealers, pimps and ethnic diaspora mafias, and even much less the oligarchs, but mostly foreign students and working class migrants and even their children, made for bad optics.

    Also, the open promotion of Nazi paraphernalia in a country where everyone had someone killed during WW2 didn't help. Finally, while РНЕ evolved from local traditions and had a Panslavic and even an Indo-European character, the Skinhead gangs were White Supremacist and often self-identified only with Western European WN. The movement against illegal immigration, ДПНИ was probably also an FSB project and its leader, Alexander Potkin (Belov) who probably had some Jewish ancestry, got discredited when he was filmed with a hooker, while Dima Demushkin who organized Russian Marches with Potkin was sentenced to a prison term.

    OTOH, at the same time, Konstantin Krylov started becoming more widely known and did all he could to foster a more political and intellectual Russian nationalism. I personally will always admire this man, he was an incredibly intelligent individual and a rather kind person. He was not an extremist, a freak or a wannabe Arian Hero, he was a deep thinker and a truly dedicated political activist.

    So the Skinheads went to prison or just grew out of ultraviolence and extremism, the original Slav / Indo-European nationalists, in the Yemelyanov tradition, went Neopagan or in the case of Barkashov ultra-Orthodox, while people who read Krylov and Galkovsky went to start Sputnik & Pogrom and do their best to normalize nationalist ideology and make it acceptable in the RusFed.

    I personally hope to see democratic nationalism becoming mainstream in Russia. People such as Roman Yuneman, Dmitriev and their friends would probably benefit Russian people a lot, although I might be wrong. One thing I am certain of, if Russia survives and rebuilds itself, there would be one day a monument erected in Moscow to the memory of Konstantin Krylov.

    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=42548

    Sorry for the long rant.

    Replies: @S

    , @LatW
    @sudden death


    even then it was absolutely fringe
     
    There is a small sliver of them.


    And, no, they are not skinheads, but mostly intellectual Rodnovers or just secular pro-Euro ethno nationalists. They were around for at least until mid to late 2000s, then they were gone (were persecuted). They only showed up again recently, in the war (there is a Russian group fighting there on the side of Ukraine, the Russian Volunteer Corps, some of them have the РОА patches, they are not the worshippers of NS or Germany, but classical Roman / Italian type of fascists or Pan-Europeans.

    Their roots are way before РОА. Their symbol is the so called Spaika Larionova.

    https://www.peoples.ru/art/literature/prose/publicist/viktor_larionov/

    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  610. @sudden death
    @Yahya


    The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems.
     
    Hopefully within our lifetime maybe there would be more definite answers why all this psycho-physiological network in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxhWKMyQ6M

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)

    You have refined tastes. I’ve said before that the music that most stirred my soul was trashy Arab ethnic music:

    I’ve since unfortunately “outgrown” the genre; and can only listen to old favorites. But the pleasure I derived from ethnic music has never been replicated by Beethoven or Bach.

    On the other hand; there is some tasteful folk music (to be distinguished from trashy ethnic music) which I still like to explore and listen to.

    As you can tell; the Palestinian variety is my favorite. Closely followed by fun Cossack music:

    • Thanks: sudden death
  611. @LatW
    @QCIC


    The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.
     
    I'm not into punk myself, it's just that I had a friend of a friend who listened to this band, that's how I know. It's a very old band (was already old when my friend listened to it) and these genres have sort of evolved into various directions.

    @Yahya

    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale.
     
    One of the best funeral pieces ever done is Death Of Åse from the Peer Gynt suite by Grieg. It's dedicated to the passing of the hero's mother...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKxf1h5r4g

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes. I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict:

    Good times.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yahya


    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes.
     
    You're welcome. I have a rather specific taste, but I listen to a few things outside of my narrow taste as well. Grieg is just one of the classics I used to listen to in my early 20s. Feel free to listen to the whole suite, it starts out with a light, delicate piece (Morning), follows into a dance piece, and moves on to the more dramatic Mountain King. Btw, there is a spectacular piece with highly ecstatic fragments in it called Arabian Dance. (Describing Peer Gynt's exotic travels in North Africa).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdo1sfXTmt4&list=PLD8804CB40CAB0EA5&index=6

    The Hall of the Mountain King.... enjoy the buildup. (Grieg is Scottish, btw, one almost imagines how his passionate Scottish soul interacted with the majestic landscapes of the Norwegian mountains).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA4NBwWPt7A&list=PLD8804CB40CAB0EA5&index=4

    I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict
     
    I'm unable to listen to this song anymore, as it makes me too emotional. The Ukrainians play this song during their funerals for the fallen, I don't know how they can take it. It's become a tradition. I hope some day I can listen to this song again, without being too moved.

    Btw, in case you'd like to listen to some Latvian folk... if you don't mind me sharing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z31khR-E2PU

    "How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds."

    A young woman's prayer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0KW9LRyXc

    "I prayed to Dievs* and to Laima**, both I asked dearly;
    From Dievs I asked three kinds of goodness.
    First kind of goodness - a wise counsel always available,
    Second kind of goodness - a good beloved ploughman in the homestead.

    From Laima I asked a successful life path.

    Third kind of goodness - health that comes from Dievs."

    * God (Dyēus in IE)
    ** Laima (Latvian Goddess of Fate, Fortuna).

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  612. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    The influence which you're referring to is Hegel's.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Hegel was a constitutional monarchist, not a Marxist.

  613. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?
     
    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

    Have you ever listened to this stuff:

    ?

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Nope.

    Sounds interesting. Better than the stuff Nietzsche put out.

    Will explore it more tomorrow. It is 3 AM in Egypt.

  614. @QCIC
    @A123

    Let see, Kolomoisky and friends fund Azov and other NeoNazis and also fund Zelensky. Oh and by the way create the largest Jewish cultural center in Europe.

    Sounds legit--not!

    It may bore you, but it is the standout most striking fact of the conflict, at least from a Christian perspective. This is not a small thing, how can it possibly make sense?

    +++

    I don't have answers to your questions about the details of the pipeline demolition. I don't have any clear facts except the pipelines were apparently blown up after the West had threatened to blow them up. And then a Polish politician thanked the West for blowing them up. But who knows?

    I don't think it will have much backlash on the West if they did do it, even though it should.

    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin...

    Replies: @A123

    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin…

    The most likely scenario is petty theft by non-scientist staff at WIV including security guards. I soundly defeated Mr. Unz (again) here.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/?showcomments#comment-5783762

    He has been losing badly to me for months, but cannot find the will to concede.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    In my view the "facts" related to the virus origin and release question are not clear enough to pick out what really happened. I think you are confusing "certainty of uncertainty" with actual certainty. I mean that we are certain people are lying about the origins of the virus. There are many facts to support this view. On the other hand, the provenance of what facts we have to build an actual explanatory theory is not solid enough to favor a well defined explanation.

    In my opinion the advanced warnings and predictive programming for C-19 were so "on the nose" that it looks like a 'globalist conspiracy' sort of thing. This may have been designed to demonstrate and increase the power of governments to interfere with the lives of everyone on the planet. It was also a way to inflame the debt-fueled economy to hasten the transition to whatever form of economy they want to install next.

    I don't think your argument holds up very well. On the other hand, I believe idiots like Bolton and Pompeo would be willing to release a virus, but I doubt they had the clout to make that happen.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  615. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    principles of international law, rules based order
     
    Was there ever rules based order? Weren’t American aggression against Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Haiti, and many others, as well as Soviet aggression against Afghanistan clear violations of international law (always assuming that such a thing exists)? The same applies to American aggression against Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, drone bombings in Sudan, Pakistan, etc. Or Saudi aggression in Yemen. Or Israeli aggression against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The only rule that “rules based order” has is the rule of the jungle: might makes right. In my POV international law is like an ideal gas in physics: a purely theoretical construct that sounds nice but does not exist in real life.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234

    The ideal gas law is orders magnitude nearer to reality.

  616. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    Have you ever listened to this stuff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rasho1zv-co&ab_channel=DaniloLorenzini

    ?

    Replies: @Yahya

    Nope.

    Sounds interesting. Better than the stuff Nietzsche put out.

    Will explore it more tomorrow. It is 3 AM in Egypt.

  617. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I used to believe embryo selection might be the humane answer to dysgenic trends. After thinking about it I have decided that fertilization of a human egg outside the human mother may have terrible problems. That conclusion makes me wonder how many people to this point were formed by in vitro fertilization (IVF). I also wonder how their lives have gone and what patterns others have noticed? No offense to any IVF people here at Unz, I am simply curious.

    Since I recognize free will, I don't need to pretend that humans have a good understanding of everything. I am content with the idea that we might never fully understand free will in a scientific way, though I am glad people are thinking about it.

    With that said, the act of conception also seems very subtle and wonderful and not portable outside the mother. In the modern reductionist mind it is just some DNA strands linking up, no big deal, easy peasy. In reality it is amazingly complex process. Much of the body has electrical interactions which are a lot different in a test tube than in the woman. Never mind all of the important aspects we are still completely clueless about.

    Genetic engineering of humans shares all these problems. It is worth remembering that genetic engineers seem to have the greatest hubris and appear to be very short sided. Like AI, genetic engineering is here now. I doubt it will turn out well.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    These are interesting points, and so are your points about an AI looking for s soul, but I think, once you insert this type of spiritual thinking, you have to allow for the fact that it is all fine and just as much a part of nature as us.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I'm not fond of.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.

    The Universe is waiting for the next maturing species to "Just say No to AI."

    +++

    "Just say No" is an old slogan/meme in the USA influencing kids to not try that first recreational drug and inadvertently get onto the slippery slope to addiction.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  618. @A123
    @QCIC


    I would rather understand who created and released the virus on the world. That seems like a bigger issue. I suppose you favor the zoonotic origin…
     
    The most likely scenario is petty theft by non-scientist staff at WIV including security guards. I soundly defeated Mr. Unz (again) here.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-lab-leak-theory-is-almost-certainly-false/?showcomments#comment-5783762


    He has been losing badly to me for months, but cannot find the will to concede.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    In my view the “facts” related to the virus origin and release question are not clear enough to pick out what really happened. I think you are confusing “certainty of uncertainty” with actual certainty. I mean that we are certain people are lying about the origins of the virus. There are many facts to support this view. On the other hand, the provenance of what facts we have to build an actual explanatory theory is not solid enough to favor a well defined explanation.

    In my opinion the advanced warnings and predictive programming for C-19 were so “on the nose” that it looks like a ‘globalist conspiracy’ sort of thing. This may have been designed to demonstrate and increase the power of governments to interfere with the lives of everyone on the planet. It was also a way to inflame the debt-fueled economy to hasten the transition to whatever form of economy they want to install next.

    I don’t think your argument holds up very well. On the other hand, I believe idiots like Bolton and Pompeo would be willing to release a virus, but I doubt they had the clout to make that happen.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Unz had/has me right up to the point where he brings up Pompeo and Bolton.

    Those guys are either parrots or they are puppets although probably it's same difference. That expression is non sense but sometimes it fits. : )

    Replies: @A123

    , @A123
    @QCIC

    Apparently you did not make it to the bottom of the thread -- I present a useful logical framework that accommodates the lack of direct information. A key concept needed is Occam’s Razor (2)


    Oc· cam’s razor ˈä-kəmz- variants or less commonly Ockham’s razor :

    a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities
     

    The CCP will never allow an investigation of its laboratories at WIV. Without specific knowledge, the analytical tool available is based on Occam’s Razor.

        -A- List the possible scenarios.
        -B- Score them for strengths and weaknesses
        -C- Use the most probable as the working theory
        -D- If new evidence turns up, repeat A thru C

    So, what are the scenarios? Please feel free to add to this list:

        -1- Trump ordered the attack
        -2- Fort Detrick / #NeverTrump rogues ordered the attack
        -3- Non-American Globalists ordered the attack (e.g. WEF, Illuminati)
        -4- WIV Lab Leak / science technique issue
        -5- WIV Petty Conspiracy / security staff stealing
        -6- WIV Grand Conspiracy / #NeverTrump rogues invaded WIV
        -7- Zoonosis

    Applying Occam’s Razor — My suggestion #5 is the most plausible. A small group of uninfected WIV workers (e.g. *security*, manual laborer) transported infected animals to the Wet Market and sold them. Non-scientist staff would be unlikely to understand the risk of stealing apparently healthy animals from the destruction queue.

    It fits means, motive, and opportunity with a small cast of conspirators. Thus, it should be applied as the working theory, not proven fact.

    If you wish to partake, the minimum effort to join in is presenting one or more possible scenarios (based on 1-7 above or new concepts) for *comparison* via the Occam's Razor test. You cannot stand on the sidelines and throw stones. For this logical framework to function, you must contribute ideas with sufficient detail to be scored.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (2) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Occam’s%20razor

    Replies: @QCIC

  619. @QCIC
    @A123

    In my view the "facts" related to the virus origin and release question are not clear enough to pick out what really happened. I think you are confusing "certainty of uncertainty" with actual certainty. I mean that we are certain people are lying about the origins of the virus. There are many facts to support this view. On the other hand, the provenance of what facts we have to build an actual explanatory theory is not solid enough to favor a well defined explanation.

    In my opinion the advanced warnings and predictive programming for C-19 were so "on the nose" that it looks like a 'globalist conspiracy' sort of thing. This may have been designed to demonstrate and increase the power of governments to interfere with the lives of everyone on the planet. It was also a way to inflame the debt-fueled economy to hasten the transition to whatever form of economy they want to install next.

    I don't think your argument holds up very well. On the other hand, I believe idiots like Bolton and Pompeo would be willing to release a virus, but I doubt they had the clout to make that happen.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Unz had/has me right up to the point where he brings up Pompeo and Bolton.

    Those guys are either parrots or they are puppets although probably it’s same difference. That expression is non sense but sometimes it fits. : )

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Unz had/has me right up to the point where he brings up Pompeo and Bolton.

    Those guys are either parrots or they are puppets although probably it’s same difference. That expression is non sense but sometimes it fits. : )
     
    A serious problem with scenarios based on "#NeverTrump rogues" like Bolton is consistency:

    • If they are skilled & competent -- They know the engineered, FCS juiced virus they misappropriated is 100% guaranteed to "Go Global". There is no point in the complexity to get it to Wuhan.

    • If they are unskilled & incompetent -- They never would have gotten the virus to Wuhan.

    If you or QCIC want to suggest Globalists attacking the planetary population as a whole, that could easily be under #3 on the list presented above. You need to flesh out your proposed scenario with:

    ♦ The source of the virus.
    ♦ And, if it is not physically close to Wuhan, explain why that city was chosen.

    PEACE 😇
  620. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Were those types (more regarding lyrics/imagery than music in the track) anyhow notable among RF skinheads in the 90's, or even then it was absolutely fringe?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4I3mOBQy5A

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    As the Russian saying goes, Коловрат were wildly known in restricted circles (широко известны в узких кругах). Skins have always been a fringe culture everywhere. Коловрат were not the only ones to sing РОА songs though.

    This song above is literally a reworked POA marching anthem from a 1943 collection of songs composed by the Russian Liberation Army soldiers and officers themselves.

    [MORE]

    Starting from around 1994 and up to early 2000 Skins were quite numerous in Moscow and Piter. I always wondered whether they have been tolerated for a while to discredit Russian nationalism.

    Most Russians would have been much more inclined towards the РНЕ type of nationalism than to the type promoted by Tesak ans his friends from БОРН. The fact that the violence of Skins was untargeted and often random, that its victims were not drug dealers, pimps and ethnic diaspora mafias, and even much less the oligarchs, but mostly foreign students and working class migrants and even their children, made for bad optics.

    Also, the open promotion of Nazi paraphernalia in a country where everyone had someone killed during WW2 didn’t help. Finally, while РНЕ evolved from local traditions and had a Panslavic and even an Indo-European character, the Skinhead gangs were White Supremacist and often self-identified only with Western European WN. The movement against illegal immigration, ДПНИ was probably also an FSB project and its leader, Alexander Potkin (Belov) who probably had some Jewish ancestry, got discredited when he was filmed with a hooker, while Dima Demushkin who organized Russian Marches with Potkin was sentenced to a prison term.

    OTOH, at the same time, Konstantin Krylov started becoming more widely known and did all he could to foster a more political and intellectual Russian nationalism. I personally will always admire this man, he was an incredibly intelligent individual and a rather kind person. He was not an extremist, a freak or a wannabe Arian Hero, he was a deep thinker and a truly dedicated political activist.

    So the Skinheads went to prison or just grew out of ultraviolence and extremism, the original Slav / Indo-European nationalists, in the Yemelyanov tradition, went Neopagan or in the case of Barkashov ultra-Orthodox, while people who read Krylov and Galkovsky went to start Sputnik & Pogrom and do their best to normalize nationalist ideology and make it acceptable in the RusFed.

    I personally hope to see democratic nationalism becoming mainstream in Russia. People such as Roman Yuneman, Dmitriev and their friends would probably benefit Russian people a lot, although I might be wrong. One thing I am certain of, if Russia survives and rebuilds itself, there would be one day a monument erected in Moscow to the memory of Konstantin Krylov.

    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=42548

    Sorry for the long rant.

    • Replies: @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Starting from around 1994 and up to early 2000 Skins were quite numerous in Moscow and Piter. I always wondered whether they have been tolerated for a while to discredit Russian nationalism.
     
    Yes, and I think it's probably the same situation with the skinheads everywhere, ie to discredit the idea of peoplehood or identity, including in US and UK, and Western Europe.

    Also, the open promotion of Nazi paraphernalia in a country where everyone had someone killed during WW2 didn’t help.
     
    Also the same in US and UK, sans the numbers of battlefield dead, where almost everyone had a family member who fought in WWII, often against N S Germany.

    The sick NS fetish thing is a veritable poison pill to anyone wishing to make any headway, and if there weren't already some people like that, they would for sure be promoted by hostile actors, as no doubt at least some (many?) are.



    The most egregious example of that type of thing, due to context, was an account I read of two Polish members of one of their nationalist organizations who thought it would be the funniest thing to make a video of themselves wearing German WWII era Stahlhelm helmets. Of course, the video quickly 'went viral'.

    For that transgression, before being unceremoniously expelled, those two were probably well deserving of a videotaped prolonged public beating by members of their own organization, ideally this video also having gone viral.


    I personally hope to see democratic nationalism becoming mainstream in Russia.
     
    Sounds good, if it's what I think it is.

    In the case of the United States, most people were plenty content with a republic, albeit a republic that was not economically slavery based, it making no difference whether this slavery be chattel or wage, the latter being the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system, nor empire seeking.

    Slavery and empire are both poisonous to peoplehood and republics.
  621. @sudden death
    @Yahya


    The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems.
     
    Hopefully within our lifetime maybe there would be more definite answers why all this psycho-physiological network in my case seems to work that way that it gets me more aural pleasure from this seemingly simply constructed work than any renowned classical music piece;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxhWKMyQ6M

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    Agree that Boards of Canada made some extremely pleasant music. These guys are geniuses.

    Do you also like Global Communication ?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Haven't heard about them before, this was nice relaxing track, just little too bit more synth oriented for my own personal taste, do have preference for more accentuated breaksy beats in mellow electronic tracks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSLIcigUpO0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e21NOp69hM

  622. @LatW
    @QCIC


    The instruments sounded very measured, like something by amateur session musicians instead of angry skin head punkers.
     
    I'm not into punk myself, it's just that I had a friend of a friend who listened to this band, that's how I know. It's a very old band (was already old when my friend listened to it) and these genres have sort of evolved into various directions.

    @Yahya

    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale.
     
    One of the best funeral pieces ever done is Death Of Åse from the Peer Gynt suite by Grieg. It's dedicated to the passing of the hero's mother...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKxf1h5r4g

    Replies: @Yahya, @Ivashka the fool

    Peer Gynt suite by Grieg

    My mom used to play Peer Gynt on our turntable when I was a kid. My favorite part was the Troll’s dance. As soon as it started, me an my younger brother got on the sopha and started jumping like crazy.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    That is amazing! Because I am just now trying to teach it to my son. It's the kind of piece he really likes. LOL There is a place in the mountains in Norway, called The trail of Peer Gynt, where I used to wander in my youth.

  623. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    These are interesting points, and so are your points about an AI looking for s soul, but I think, once you insert this type of spiritual thinking, you have to allow for the fact that it is all fine and just as much a part of nature as us.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I’m not fond of.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.

    The Universe is waiting for the next maturing species to “Just say No to AI.”

    +++

    “Just say No” is an old slogan/meme in the USA influencing kids to not try that first recreational drug and inadvertently get onto the slippery slope to addiction.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I’m not fond of.
     
    I'm not sure you can label profound faith as "passive cynicism". You might call my ability to communicate with all sorts of unusual phenomena an imaginative delusion, but it isn't cynical.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.
     
    AI will do this. Not just by diminishing mundane concerns, which will allow people to explore spiritual areas more easily, but also by improving knowledge, and as a tool for more acute thought.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.
     
    Yes, humans getting wiped out would be bad, but that's not inherent to AI, just terrible implementation of AI. And AI will diminish our likelihood of getting wiped out in other ways, including enabling space travel, combatting deadly disease and unpredictable events like comet impacts.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.
     
    It is possible, but there are many other possible answers, including the vastness of space, our inability to understand signs of other life and all sorts of disasters, nevermind the idea that maybe humans really are very special.

    Replies: @QCIC

  624. @QCIC
    @A123

    In my view the "facts" related to the virus origin and release question are not clear enough to pick out what really happened. I think you are confusing "certainty of uncertainty" with actual certainty. I mean that we are certain people are lying about the origins of the virus. There are many facts to support this view. On the other hand, the provenance of what facts we have to build an actual explanatory theory is not solid enough to favor a well defined explanation.

    In my opinion the advanced warnings and predictive programming for C-19 were so "on the nose" that it looks like a 'globalist conspiracy' sort of thing. This may have been designed to demonstrate and increase the power of governments to interfere with the lives of everyone on the planet. It was also a way to inflame the debt-fueled economy to hasten the transition to whatever form of economy they want to install next.

    I don't think your argument holds up very well. On the other hand, I believe idiots like Bolton and Pompeo would be willing to release a virus, but I doubt they had the clout to make that happen.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Apparently you did not make it to the bottom of the thread — I present a useful logical framework that accommodates the lack of direct information. A key concept needed is Occam’s Razor (2)

    Oc· cam’s razor ˈä-kəmz- variants or less commonly Ockham’s razor :

    a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

    The CCP will never allow an investigation of its laboratories at WIV. Without specific knowledge, the analytical tool available is based on Occam’s Razor.

        -A- List the possible scenarios.
        -B- Score them for strengths and weaknesses
        -C- Use the most probable as the working theory
        -D- If new evidence turns up, repeat A thru C

    So, what are the scenarios? Please feel free to add to this list:

        -1- Trump ordered the attack
        -2- Fort Detrick / #NeverTrump rogues ordered the attack
        -3- Non-American Globalists ordered the attack (e.g. WEF, Illuminati)
        -4- WIV Lab Leak / science technique issue
        -5- WIV Petty Conspiracy / security staff stealing
        -6- WIV Grand Conspiracy / #NeverTrump rogues invaded WIV
        -7- Zoonosis

    Applying Occam’s Razor — My suggestion #5 is the most plausible. A small group of uninfected WIV workers (e.g. *security*, manual laborer) transported infected animals to the Wet Market and sold them. Non-scientist staff would be unlikely to understand the risk of stealing apparently healthy animals from the destruction queue.

    It fits means, motive, and opportunity with a small cast of conspirators. Thus, it should be applied as the working theory, not proven fact.

    If you wish to partake, the minimum effort to join in is presenting one or more possible scenarios (based on 1-7 above or new concepts) for *comparison* via the Occam’s Razor test. You cannot stand on the sidelines and throw stones. For this logical framework to function, you must contribute ideas with sufficient detail to be scored.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (2) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Occam’s%20razor

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I'm familiar with Occam's Razor and sometimes use it in my own thinking. There can be a temptation to overuse it. The quote attributed to Einstein can be a guide: "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." YMMV

    You left out Yoichi Shimatsu's theory that the virus was developed and released by a British-Japanese team with Canadian assistance and designed to weaken both China and the USA. This theory recognizes that all of these countries are networked together through NIH-like connections, but also notes that each has their own priorities and secret information.

    I'm not saying I favor that theory, but simply pointing out there are a lot of possibilities considered by sound thinkers.

    I stopped following George Webb a few years ago, but if he has a theory it is probably worthy of consideration. Both of these people track down leads personally to see what sort of hypothesis grows up out of the facts.

    Don't interpret my unwillingness to accept your theory as a vote of confidence for the CCP. I consider them highly untrustworthy for reasons I probably could not justify to your satisfaction.

    Replies: @A123

  625. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    principles of international law, rules based order
     
    Was there ever rules based order? Weren’t American aggression against Vietnam, Cambodia, Grenada, Haiti, and many others, as well as Soviet aggression against Afghanistan clear violations of international law (always assuming that such a thing exists)? The same applies to American aggression against Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, drone bombings in Sudan, Pakistan, etc. Or Saudi aggression in Yemen. Or Israeli aggression against Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. The only rule that “rules based order” has is the rule of the jungle: might makes right. In my POV international law is like an ideal gas in physics: a purely theoretical construct that sounds nice but does not exist in real life.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Gerard1234

    I do think that Russia HAS though, fully followed the International Law. Who cares what these zero-life subhuman Baltic scumbag trolls on here are claiming ? Its deliberately deceitful copying and pasting of slogans accompanied by laughable fake indignation by this scumbag. The POS almost certainly doesn’t know what the “principles of international law” are when faking indignation about it, Apartheid states like Latvia and Estonia have zero right to even approach the issue ( and the POS knows it), the amusing drivel about NS2 is just one of the examples of these idiots coming up with any BS.

    Unsure by what criteria the retard thinks the Soviet dissolution was legal, LOL.

    Numerous other factors have also influenced developments- like the financial cost of territory more than Crimea was too expensive and exhaustative to reunify( possible), but clearly the idea of keeping to International Law is big reason why only Crimea was reincorporated back to Russia in 2014 and why 8 years it took for LNR/DNR to be recognised as independent states by Russia. Crimea’s Autonomous Republic Status, gave local parliament there , easily the right to reunify. Its braindead and obnoxious to think any federal republic should not have the right to secede when in the situation of the freakshow of Ukrainian central government breakdown. Legal status for Crimea was much different than for LDNR.

    Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was invite by the government to do so.

    Indian annexation of Goa was practical, and probably moral thing to do….but illegal.

    Russian actions are practical, moral and legal in my view – chaotic (illegal) government change, with chaotic government structure coming into power via some ( unsolved) mass murder with genuine ( and of course post-event, fully justified) fear for short and long-term safety against the Nazis from 404, from officials and population of Crimean territory wanting to secede is far more than enough justification for calling the 2014 events for Crimea fully legal. Donbass regions not having the same administrative structure made it much different situation to Crimea

    Pridnestrovie formally being reunified into Russia either now as an exclave or if manage to make landbridge would clearly be against International Law, given the (relative) sanity and stability of Moldovan state and lack of direct threat from Moldovan military. Events in 2008 clearly justified Russian recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent Republics. Formally absorbing them into Russia then would have been in principles of International law. Absorbing them now would be against it given lack of threat to South Ossetia and Abhazia…and current ( relative) practical approach of Gruzian government to Russia.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Gerard1234

    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic, of the sort that would make the Hutus blush. And this near impossible physiological effect is not something you want. Can you at least pretend to be sane when you write? You can maintain all your delusions about this awful war, which you cheerlead for, but you don't need to constantly make everyone think that you celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. It does nobody any favours.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  626. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    Sy Hersh displays his complete ignorance/extreme bias and claims that the Russians are yet to out any of their main forces in. That’s an insane claim, not far off from arguing the whole thing is fake. Does he have dementia?

    [MORE]

  627. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    I do think that Russia HAS though, fully followed the International Law. Who cares what these zero-life subhuman Baltic scumbag trolls on here are claiming ? Its deliberately deceitful copying and pasting of slogans accompanied by laughable fake indignation by this scumbag. The POS almost certainly doesn't know what the "principles of international law" are when faking indignation about it, Apartheid states like Latvia and Estonia have zero right to even approach the issue ( and the POS knows it), the amusing drivel about NS2 is just one of the examples of these idiots coming up with any BS.

    Unsure by what criteria the retard thinks the Soviet dissolution was legal, LOL.

    Numerous other factors have also influenced developments- like the financial cost of territory more than Crimea was too expensive and exhaustative to reunify( possible), but clearly the idea of keeping to International Law is big reason why only Crimea was reincorporated back to Russia in 2014 and why 8 years it took for LNR/DNR to be recognised as independent states by Russia. Crimea's Autonomous Republic Status, gave local parliament there , easily the right to reunify. Its braindead and obnoxious to think any federal republic should not have the right to secede when in the situation of the freakshow of Ukrainian central government breakdown. Legal status for Crimea was much different than for LDNR.

    Soviet intervention in Afghanistan was invite by the government to do so.

    Indian annexation of Goa was practical, and probably moral thing to do....but illegal.

    Russian actions are practical, moral and legal in my view - chaotic (illegal) government change, with chaotic government structure coming into power via some ( unsolved) mass murder with genuine ( and of course post-event, fully justified) fear for short and long-term safety against the Nazis from 404, from officials and population of Crimean territory wanting to secede is far more than enough justification for calling the 2014 events for Crimea fully legal. Donbass regions not having the same administrative structure made it much different situation to Crimea

    Pridnestrovie formally being reunified into Russia either now as an exclave or if manage to make landbridge would clearly be against International Law, given the (relative) sanity and stability of Moldovan state and lack of direct threat from Moldovan military. Events in 2008 clearly justified Russian recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent Republics. Formally absorbing them into Russia then would have been in principles of International law. Absorbing them now would be against it given lack of threat to South Ossetia and Abhazia...and current ( relative) practical approach of Gruzian government to Russia.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic, of the sort that would make the Hutus blush. And this near impossible physiological effect is not something you want. Can you at least pretend to be sane when you write? You can maintain all your delusions about this awful war, which you cheerlead for, but you don’t need to constantly make everyone think that you celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. It does nobody any favours.

    • Disagree: QCIC
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians
     
    What about the death of guilty Ukrainians? Those responsible for murder of civilians in Donbass 2014-2023? Those responsible for torture of political prisoners? Those responsible for murders of people in Odessa and Mariupol in 2014, or for the murder of Oles Buzina in Kiev? As well as those guilty of numerous other crimes? Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Gerard1234
    @Triteleia Laxa


    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic
     
    Difficult to know where to start with this idiocy. Fake indignation and lying again I see.

    Think of it in this way - I would not celebrate Russia using an unknowing civilian to carry explosive material ( from cargo that exploits and violates a grain transport deal ) in a truck he is driving , and then detonating this cargo, killing 5 other completely random and innocent civilians driving near on this bridge that the enemy could never even dream of building . Even more so I would be permanently ashamed if they did it not on the main arch of this bridge which is the longest and most expensive span, which would have stopped shipping, caused most long term ( even permanent) delay and expensive repair and replacement for the deck/foundation segments...........but on a shorter span section only at the start of the ascent from the flat to the main arch span that is not only easily replaceable and not too expensive.........it only delays the function of the bridge, via temporary structures/reduced traffic- by a few hours!

    I'd be even more ashamed if we had then attacked completely the WRONG bridge from a military view , i.e the road bridge which can't as securely and in anywhere near the same bulk transport military vehicles and supplies compared to the rail bridge (the rail which was only damaged from secondary effects and stopped operation only for a short time).

    Id be even more ashamed if brainless plankton idiots starting celebrating this evil act of terrorism......by posing in front of stamps released by a scumbag Post office

    Id then go off the chart in shame, if the stamps celebrating this act of terrorism were so retarded, that they released the stamp showing a completely fake, fotoshopped aesthetic of what would have been a successful attack ( destroying the central arch span)........instead of what actually happened, which was still a long way from the arches, and made the despicable act of terrorism completely pointless from an aesthetic propaganda point of view, Military POV , and as we would see - electricity POV.
  628. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I'm not fond of.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.

    The Universe is waiting for the next maturing species to "Just say No to AI."

    +++

    "Just say No" is an old slogan/meme in the USA influencing kids to not try that first recreational drug and inadvertently get onto the slippery slope to addiction.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I’m not fond of.

    I’m not sure you can label profound faith as “passive cynicism”. You might call my ability to communicate with all sorts of unusual phenomena an imaginative delusion, but it isn’t cynical.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.

    AI will do this. Not just by diminishing mundane concerns, which will allow people to explore spiritual areas more easily, but also by improving knowledge, and as a tool for more acute thought.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.

    Yes, humans getting wiped out would be bad, but that’s not inherent to AI, just terrible implementation of AI. And AI will diminish our likelihood of getting wiped out in other ways, including enabling space travel, combatting deadly disease and unpredictable events like comet impacts.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.

    It is possible, but there are many other possible answers, including the vastness of space, our inability to understand signs of other life and all sorts of disasters, nevermind the idea that maybe humans really are very special.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I should not have made it personal. I think that if I evolve to that perspective I may see myself as having become cynical. It hasn't happened yet, so who knows?

    The Fermi idea just popped up. I think that version may be due to someone else, I don't recall.

    I think AI is here. I hope people will be wise about it.

  629. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Unz had/has me right up to the point where he brings up Pompeo and Bolton.

    Those guys are either parrots or they are puppets although probably it's same difference. That expression is non sense but sometimes it fits. : )

    Replies: @A123

    Unz had/has me right up to the point where he brings up Pompeo and Bolton.

    Those guys are either parrots or they are puppets although probably it’s same difference. That expression is non sense but sometimes it fits. : )

    A serious problem with scenarios based on “#NeverTrump rogues” like Bolton is consistency:

    • If they are skilled & competent — They know the engineered, FCS juiced virus they misappropriated is 100% guaranteed to “Go Global”. There is no point in the complexity to get it to Wuhan.

    • If they are unskilled & incompetent — They never would have gotten the virus to Wuhan.

    If you or QCIC want to suggest Globalists attacking the planetary population as a whole, that could easily be under #3 on the list presented above. You need to flesh out your proposed scenario with:

    ♦ The source of the virus.
    ♦ And, if it is not physically close to Wuhan, explain why that city was chosen.

    PEACE 😇

  630. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Gerard1234

    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic, of the sort that would make the Hutus blush. And this near impossible physiological effect is not something you want. Can you at least pretend to be sane when you write? You can maintain all your delusions about this awful war, which you cheerlead for, but you don't need to constantly make everyone think that you celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. It does nobody any favours.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians

    What about the death of guilty Ukrainians? Those responsible for murder of civilians in Donbass 2014-2023? Those responsible for torture of political prisoners? Those responsible for murders of people in Odessa and Mariupol in 2014, or for the murder of Oles Buzina in Kiev? As well as those guilty of numerous other crimes? Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN


    Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?
     
    I think you are supposed to be happy that justice was served without actually taking pleasure in the suffering of the guilty. It's a fine line to walk.

    That's what I think, at least.
  631. @Yahya
    @LatW

    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes. I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict:

    https://youtu.be/te6RSa1OMaQ

    Good times.

    Replies: @LatW

    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes.

    You’re welcome. I have a rather specific taste, but I listen to a few things outside of my narrow taste as well. Grieg is just one of the classics I used to listen to in my early 20s. Feel free to listen to the whole suite, it starts out with a light, delicate piece (Morning), follows into a dance piece, and moves on to the more dramatic Mountain King. Btw, there is a spectacular piece with highly ecstatic fragments in it called Arabian Dance. (Describing Peer Gynt’s exotic travels in North Africa).

    The Hall of the Mountain King…. enjoy the buildup. (Grieg is Scottish, btw, one almost imagines how his passionate Scottish soul interacted with the majestic landscapes of the Norwegian mountains).

    [MORE]

    I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict

    I’m unable to listen to this song anymore, as it makes me too emotional. The Ukrainians play this song during their funerals for the fallen, I don’t know how they can take it. It’s become a tradition. I hope some day I can listen to this song again, without being too moved.

    Btw, in case you’d like to listen to some Latvian folk… if you don’t mind me sharing.

    “How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds.”

    A young woman’s prayer:

    “I prayed to Dievs* and to Laima**, both I asked dearly;
    From Dievs I asked three kinds of goodness.
    First kind of goodness – a wise counsel always available,
    Second kind of goodness – a good beloved ploughman in the homestead.

    From Laima I asked a successful life path.

    Third kind of goodness – health that comes from Dievs.”

    * God (Dyēus in IE)
    ** Laima (Latvian Goddess of Fate, Fortuna).

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @LatW


    “How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds.”
     
    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God.... How old is this text actually?
    "Crosswise" is something new to me, however - and yet it sounds like an allusion to swastika or "X".
    It certainly evokes the following fragment of Kohelet, and suggests the song's text is rather new (real pagans did not read Bible):

    Ecclesiastes 7:13

    Consider the work of true God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

    I hope you know where that leads...? Something about fallen angels ("the Sons of God"),hm. Aren't you bothered by that...?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  632. @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    It's obviously hard for you to think clearly while suffering from coprolalia, but according to your own description those "3 years of NS delays" did not result in any price increases and 4th year would have been no any different if underground Gazprom natgas storages in EU were filled like they were filled all those years before and without having NS2.

    Not even to mention that price began to rise in spring and summer, way before NS2 court decision, as it was clear that storage fill-up was not started being done as it was usual in all previous years at that time.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    It’s obviously hard for you to think clearly while suffering from coprolalia, but according to your own description those “3 years of NS delays” did not result in any price increases and 4th year would have been no any different if underground Gazprom natgas storages in EU were filled like they were filled all those years before and without having NS2.

    Laughably shameless corrupt scumbag “logic”
    A german court ( nonsensically) stopping this half-German project from coming into operation is clearly much different to predictable delays from US sanctions, corrupt EU regulation changes and waiting for permits etc you stupid retarded idiot. Not allowing Europe’s largest consumer of gas access to twice the amount of safer and cheaper ( from lack of transit fees, lack of transit through lunatic countries, long-term contract value from bulk) by stopping NS2 from operating is “not” price manipulation by corrupt excrement like yourself…….but a miniscule percentage of gas exported to EU for storage, an even more miniscule percentage of gas consumed by EU, instead being legally directed to Russian storage facilities for Russian market is “price manipulation”, for a buyer that still had big access to he same supplier?LMAO

    Not even to mention that price began to rise in spring and summer, way before NS2 court decision, as it was clear that storage fill-up was not started being done as it was usual in all previous years at that time.

    The price SPIKE was caused ONLY by the German court decision you inept fuckhead, the price rise began earlier caused by a variety of different factors such as large gas volume used over a much colder winter, increased post-coronavirus demand and usage of LNG in Asia and subsequent knock-on effects on oil and gas benchmark prices plus supply issue ( Belarus events not exactly helpful either)

    A truly pitiful wakjob you are.

  633. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Peer Gynt suite by Grieg
     
    My mom used to play Peer Gynt on our turntable when I was a kid. My favorite part was the Troll's dance. As soon as it started, me an my younger brother got on the sopha and started jumping like crazy.

    Replies: @LatW

    That is amazing! Because I am just now trying to teach it to my son. It’s the kind of piece he really likes. LOL There is a place in the mountains in Norway, called The trail of Peer Gynt, where I used to wander in my youth.

  634. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I’m not fond of.
     
    I'm not sure you can label profound faith as "passive cynicism". You might call my ability to communicate with all sorts of unusual phenomena an imaginative delusion, but it isn't cynical.

    Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.
     
    AI will do this. Not just by diminishing mundane concerns, which will allow people to explore spiritual areas more easily, but also by improving knowledge, and as a tool for more acute thought.

    Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.
     
    Yes, humans getting wiped out would be bad, but that's not inherent to AI, just terrible implementation of AI. And AI will diminish our likelihood of getting wiped out in other ways, including enabling space travel, combatting deadly disease and unpredictable events like comet impacts.

    Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.
     
    It is possible, but there are many other possible answers, including the vastness of space, our inability to understand signs of other life and all sorts of disasters, nevermind the idea that maybe humans really are very special.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I should not have made it personal. I think that if I evolve to that perspective I may see myself as having become cynical. It hasn’t happened yet, so who knows?

    The Fermi idea just popped up. I think that version may be due to someone else, I don’t recall.

    I think AI is here. I hope people will be wise about it.

  635. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Were those types (more regarding lyrics/imagery than music in the track) anyhow notable among RF skinheads in the 90's, or even then it was absolutely fringe?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4I3mOBQy5A

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    even then it was absolutely fringe

    There is a small sliver of them.

    [MORE]

    And, no, they are not skinheads, but mostly intellectual Rodnovers or just secular pro-Euro ethno nationalists. They were around for at least until mid to late 2000s, then they were gone (were persecuted). They only showed up again recently, in the war (there is a Russian group fighting there on the side of Ukraine, the Russian Volunteer Corps, some of them have the РОА patches, they are not the worshippers of NS or Germany, but classical Roman / Italian type of fascists or Pan-Europeans.

    Their roots are way before РОА. Their symbol is the so called Spaika Larionova.

    https://www.peoples.ru/art/literature/prose/publicist/viktor_larionov/

    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.
     
    Some of them, not all of them. The МДП guys, whose РОА song I posted in my reply ro sudden death fight on the Russian side. Same thing for ДШРГ Русич (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group), which despite being anti-Putin national socialists consider that Donbass must be defended against Ukrainian assimilationist policies. It's a brother killing brother situation. It should have never happened. The only people who benefit from this massacre are the enemies of the Slav.

    Replies: @LatW

  636. @Ivashka the fool

    The Ministry of Natural Resources on February 14 published a new version of its world map – directing a return to using the Chinese names of eight cities and areas occupied by the Russian Empire in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The Qing government lost large expanses of land in the northern region due to the invasion of the Russians. [...] Under Beijing’s new directive, Vladivostok once again is called Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range is back to being called the Outer Xing’an Range in Chinese.
     
    https://asiatimes.com/2023/02/chinas-ironic-reticence-on-land-grab-in-ukraine/

    Ed Luttwak was right, if RusFed loses this war, China will assert itself even more in the Russian Far East and Central Asia. They also need a "small victorious war", why attacking Taiwan, when taking back "Sea Cucumber Bay" might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Blinky Bill

    They also need a “small victorious war”, why attacking Taiwan, when taking back “Sea Cucumber Bay” might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

    Indeed.

    If Russia doesn’t soon get her act together, she will become no more than a zone of Sino-Galician conflict.

    It could’ve been so different!

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    Green Ukraine – a territory in the southern part of the Far East.

    Based on various estimates, Ukrainians constituted a third to a half of the population in the Far East. In some areas, they even accounted for 60–80% of the population.

    “This is a big Malorossiya village. The main and oldest street is Mykolska. Along the entire street, on both sides, white huts are lined up, occasionally still covered with straw... people from the Great Russian counties are barely noticeable among those from Poltava, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Volyn, and other Ukrainians – they vanish among the primary Malorossiya element... People sport Ukrainian clothes. You can hear the joyful, populous, and lively Malorossiya speech everywhere” correspondent Ivan Illich-Svitych wrote, describing the city of Ussuriysk in 1905.


    From June 1917 to January 1918, the Provisional Far Eastern Ukrainian National Committee, which was the main executive body of the Ukrainian Far Eastern Republic, was located here in Ussuriysk. Ukrainians also tried to form their state in the Far East.

    Throughout its existence, the state-building movement in Green Ukraine focused on unification with the Ukrainian People's Republic. The Second All-Ukraine Congress of the Far East, held in Khabarovsk in January 1918, appealed to the government of the Ukrainian People's Republic, demanding that the Orc government recognize Green Ukraine as part of the Ukrainian state.

    “Of course, the conditions were hardly auspicious – civil war between the Red and the White armies was already underway in the Far East. Both of them were very negative, even hostile, towards Ukrainians – not only towards their aspiration for independence, but even towards their cultural needs, But as soon as the 1930s, the Far East turned into a “desert of Ukrainian culture,”

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Blinky Bill

    Well, there is a joke a Polish fiend once told me.



    A Polish man finds a lamp with a genie inside. He rubs the lamp and the genie comes out and offers him three wishes.

    So the Pollack says my first wish is for the Chinese Army to come all the way in and invade and ransack Geemany and then return all the way back home. The genie is kind of puzzled but answers: sure I can make that happen, what's your second wish?

    The guy answers: I want the Chinese to come back again to invade and ransacke Germany again and go back home. Surprised, the genie scratches his head and shrugs the shoulders, then asks for the last wish. And the Pollack asks exactly the same thing one last time.

    So the genie tells the guy; would you tell me why you wished such weird things? And the guy answers : Germany being destroyed and thrashed by the Chinese, suits them well for all they did to us, but to come here and go back, the Chinese must conquer Russia, so for each time they attack Germany, they have to conquer and then cross Russia coming and going back, which makes for the Chinese Army to thrash Russia six times...

    Although you are being a bit facetious as usual with your comment Blinky, there is some truth to what you wrote. Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China. Some people start to wonder whether the Atlanticist would fight till the last Ukrainian, while the Chinese would do that to the last Russian.

    And yeah, the Zelenyi Kleen being an area of massive Ukrainian colonization in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, some also wonder if some separatism might one day spring there too (unlikely in my opinion).

    I agree that it could and should have been different. This time-line is a mess. Those responsible will burn in Hell.

    And thanks for the video, brings back memories. Did you read Rutskoy interview on Lenta.ru ?

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/06/11/rutskoy/

    Hazbulatov died not long ago...

    Replies: @LatW

  637. @A123
    @QCIC

    Apparently you did not make it to the bottom of the thread -- I present a useful logical framework that accommodates the lack of direct information. A key concept needed is Occam’s Razor (2)


    Oc· cam’s razor ˈä-kəmz- variants or less commonly Ockham’s razor :

    a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities
     

    The CCP will never allow an investigation of its laboratories at WIV. Without specific knowledge, the analytical tool available is based on Occam’s Razor.

        -A- List the possible scenarios.
        -B- Score them for strengths and weaknesses
        -C- Use the most probable as the working theory
        -D- If new evidence turns up, repeat A thru C

    So, what are the scenarios? Please feel free to add to this list:

        -1- Trump ordered the attack
        -2- Fort Detrick / #NeverTrump rogues ordered the attack
        -3- Non-American Globalists ordered the attack (e.g. WEF, Illuminati)
        -4- WIV Lab Leak / science technique issue
        -5- WIV Petty Conspiracy / security staff stealing
        -6- WIV Grand Conspiracy / #NeverTrump rogues invaded WIV
        -7- Zoonosis

    Applying Occam’s Razor — My suggestion #5 is the most plausible. A small group of uninfected WIV workers (e.g. *security*, manual laborer) transported infected animals to the Wet Market and sold them. Non-scientist staff would be unlikely to understand the risk of stealing apparently healthy animals from the destruction queue.

    It fits means, motive, and opportunity with a small cast of conspirators. Thus, it should be applied as the working theory, not proven fact.

    If you wish to partake, the minimum effort to join in is presenting one or more possible scenarios (based on 1-7 above or new concepts) for *comparison* via the Occam's Razor test. You cannot stand on the sidelines and throw stones. For this logical framework to function, you must contribute ideas with sufficient detail to be scored.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (2) https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Occam’s%20razor

    Replies: @QCIC

    I’m familiar with Occam’s Razor and sometimes use it in my own thinking. There can be a temptation to overuse it. The quote attributed to Einstein can be a guide: “Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.” YMMV

    You left out Yoichi Shimatsu’s theory that the virus was developed and released by a British-Japanese team with Canadian assistance and designed to weaken both China and the USA. This theory recognizes that all of these countries are networked together through NIH-like connections, but also notes that each has their own priorities and secret information.

    I’m not saying I favor that theory, but simply pointing out there are a lot of possibilities considered by sound thinkers.

    I stopped following George Webb a few years ago, but if he has a theory it is probably worthy of consideration. Both of these people track down leads personally to see what sort of hypothesis grows up out of the facts.

    Don’t interpret my unwillingness to accept your theory as a vote of confidence for the CCP. I consider them highly untrustworthy for reasons I probably could not justify to your satisfaction.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I’m familiar with Occam’s Razor and sometimes use it in my own thinking. There can be a temptation to overuse it.
     
    Deploying Occam's Razor in the manner I propose is best fit, and in no way over use.

    If you reject this option... What alternative logic framework do you propose?



    So, what are the scenarios? Please feel free to add to this list:
     
    You left out Yoichi Shimatsu’s theory that the virus was developed and released by a British-Japanese team with Canadian assistance and designed to weaken both China and the USA.
     
    Congratulations, I have never heard of that one. Feel free to add British-Japanese-Canadian [BCJ] to the list as #8. We do need some additional depth to score it:

    • What lab(s) developed the BCJ virus?
    • What was the BCJ motivation for transport & release in Wuhan?
    • How did the BCJ conspiracy achieve this?


    I’m not saying I favor that theory, but simply pointing out there are a lot of possibilities considered by sound thinkers.
     
    Absolutely, if desired add #9, #10, etc. to the list. However, until you offer an alternate logic system for analysis, we have to stick with Occam's Razor. Thus, you cannot vaguely wave your hands in the direction of the list and declare "Bob Did It!". Means, motive, & opportunity is a bit trite, but functional.

    (‣) Why would Bob want to do it?
    (‣) Did Bob have the skills? If not, how were they acquired?
    (‣) How did Bob resource the plot?
    (‣) Why did Bob choose this specific virus?
    (‣) Why did Bob intentionally release it in Wuhan?

    If the answer to one (or more) of these questions is, "Bob was a moron" -- That is a potentially a valid answer. However, you have to fit that with the other positions to form a conspiracy that is not simultaneously genius/idiot. The key is generating a narrative that comes together as a coherent whole.

    You do not need hard evidence to back up these guesses. Occam's Razor handles speculation by scoring it versus credibility.

    PEACE 😇

  638. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Gerard1234

    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic, of the sort that would make the Hutus blush. And this near impossible physiological effect is not something you want. Can you at least pretend to be sane when you write? You can maintain all your delusions about this awful war, which you cheerlead for, but you don't need to constantly make everyone think that you celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. It does nobody any favours.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic

    Difficult to know where to start with this idiocy. Fake indignation and lying again I see.

    Think of it in this way – I would not celebrate Russia using an unknowing civilian to carry explosive material ( from cargo that exploits and violates a grain transport deal ) in a truck he is driving , and then detonating this cargo, killing 5 other completely random and innocent civilians driving near on this bridge that the enemy could never even dream of building . Even more so I would be permanently ashamed if they did it not on the main arch of this bridge which is the longest and most expensive span, which would have stopped shipping, caused most long term ( even permanent) delay and expensive repair and replacement for the deck/foundation segments………..but on a shorter span section only at the start of the ascent from the flat to the main arch span that is not only easily replaceable and not too expensive………it only delays the function of the bridge, via temporary structures/reduced traffic- by a few hours!

    I’d be even more ashamed if we had then attacked completely the WRONG bridge from a military view , i.e the road bridge which can’t as securely and in anywhere near the same bulk transport military vehicles and supplies compared to the rail bridge (the rail which was only damaged from secondary effects and stopped operation only for a short time).

    Id be even more ashamed if brainless plankton idiots starting celebrating this evil act of terrorism……by posing in front of stamps released by a scumbag Post office

    Id then go off the chart in shame, if the stamps celebrating this act of terrorism were so retarded, that they released the stamp showing a completely fake, fotoshopped aesthetic of what would have been a successful attack ( destroying the central arch span)……..instead of what actually happened, which was still a long way from the arches, and made the despicable act of terrorism completely pointless from an aesthetic propaganda point of view, Military POV , and as we would see – electricity POV.

  639. @Blinky Bill
    @Ivashka the fool


    They also need a “small victorious war”, why attacking Taiwan, when taking back “Sea Cucumber Bay” might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

     

    Indeed.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Map_of_the_Green_Ukraine.jpg

    If Russia doesn't soon get her act together, she will become no more than a zone of Sino-Galician conflict.

    It could've been so different!


    https://youtu.be/6VqiMQoMXmw

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Ivashka the fool

    Green Ukraine – a territory in the southern part of the Far East.

    Based on various estimates, Ukrainians constituted a third to a half of the population in the Far East. In some areas, they even accounted for 60–80% of the population.

    “This is a big Malorossiya village. The main and oldest street is Mykolska. Along the entire street, on both sides, white huts are lined up, occasionally still covered with straw… people from the Great Russian counties are barely noticeable among those from Poltava, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Volyn, and other Ukrainians – they vanish among the primary Malorossiya element… People sport Ukrainian clothes. You can hear the joyful, populous, and lively Malorossiya speech everywhere” correspondent Ivan Illich-Svitych wrote, describing the city of Ussuriysk in 1905.

    From June 1917 to January 1918, the Provisional Far Eastern Ukrainian National Committee, which was the main executive body of the Ukrainian Far Eastern Republic, was located here in Ussuriysk. Ukrainians also tried to form their state in the Far East.

    Throughout its existence, the state-building movement in Green Ukraine focused on unification with the Ukrainian People’s Republic. The Second All-Ukraine Congress of the Far East, held in Khabarovsk in January 1918, appealed to the government of the Ukrainian People’s Republic, demanding that the Orc government recognize Green Ukraine as part of the Ukrainian state.

    “Of course, the conditions were hardly auspicious – civil war between the Red and the White armies was already underway in the Far East. Both of them were very negative, even hostile, towards Ukrainians – not only towards their aspiration for independence, but even towards their cultural needs, But as soon as the 1930s, the Far East turned into a “desert of Ukrainian culture,”

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Blinky Bill

    Proof that China's relationship with dogs has changed:
    https://youtu.be/elV_2yzoZbk

  640. @Blinky Bill
    @Ivashka the fool


    They also need a “small victorious war”, why attacking Taiwan, when taking back “Sea Cucumber Bay” might be enough for the Han to feel mighty again ?

     

    Indeed.


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Map_of_the_Green_Ukraine.jpg

    If Russia doesn't soon get her act together, she will become no more than a zone of Sino-Galician conflict.

    It could've been so different!


    https://youtu.be/6VqiMQoMXmw

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, there is a joke a Polish fiend once told me.

    [MORE]

    A Polish man finds a lamp with a genie inside. He rubs the lamp and the genie comes out and offers him three wishes.

    So the Pollack says my first wish is for the Chinese Army to come all the way in and invade and ransack Geemany and then return all the way back home. The genie is kind of puzzled but answers: sure I can make that happen, what’s your second wish?

    The guy answers: I want the Chinese to come back again to invade and ransacke Germany again and go back home. Surprised, the genie scratches his head and shrugs the shoulders, then asks for the last wish. And the Pollack asks exactly the same thing one last time.

    So the genie tells the guy; would you tell me why you wished such weird things? And the guy answers : Germany being destroyed and thrashed by the Chinese, suits them well for all they did to us, but to come here and go back, the Chinese must conquer Russia, so for each time they attack Germany, they have to conquer and then cross Russia coming and going back, which makes for the Chinese Army to thrash Russia six times…

    Although you are being a bit facetious as usual with your comment Blinky, there is some truth to what you wrote. Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China. Some people start to wonder whether the Atlanticist would fight till the last Ukrainian, while the Chinese would do that to the last Russian.

    And yeah, the Zelenyi Kleen being an area of massive Ukrainian colonization in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, some also wonder if some separatism might one day spring there too (unlikely in my opinion).

    I agree that it could and should have been different. This time-line is a mess. Those responsible will burn in Hell.

    And thanks for the video, brings back memories. Did you read Rutskoy interview on Lenta.ru ?

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/06/11/rutskoy/

    Hazbulatov died not long ago…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China.
     
    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn't this what the "Great Bifurcation" is about? He wrote for months and months, if not years about it. In the beginning of the war, he was full of hopes that China will step in (to help kill Ukrainians!), be more assertive and provide Russia with military help. I know that you did not hold that opinion or wish, but there were such voices on the Russian side.

    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face. The solution is to close up, and strengthen ourselves, even if separately, so that we can withstand both sides. There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

  641. @QCIC
    @A123

    I'm familiar with Occam's Razor and sometimes use it in my own thinking. There can be a temptation to overuse it. The quote attributed to Einstein can be a guide: "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." YMMV

    You left out Yoichi Shimatsu's theory that the virus was developed and released by a British-Japanese team with Canadian assistance and designed to weaken both China and the USA. This theory recognizes that all of these countries are networked together through NIH-like connections, but also notes that each has their own priorities and secret information.

    I'm not saying I favor that theory, but simply pointing out there are a lot of possibilities considered by sound thinkers.

    I stopped following George Webb a few years ago, but if he has a theory it is probably worthy of consideration. Both of these people track down leads personally to see what sort of hypothesis grows up out of the facts.

    Don't interpret my unwillingness to accept your theory as a vote of confidence for the CCP. I consider them highly untrustworthy for reasons I probably could not justify to your satisfaction.

    Replies: @A123

    I’m familiar with Occam’s Razor and sometimes use it in my own thinking. There can be a temptation to overuse it.

    Deploying Occam’s Razor in the manner I propose is best fit, and in no way over use.

    If you reject this option… What alternative logic framework do you propose?

    So, what are the scenarios? Please feel free to add to this list:

    You left out Yoichi Shimatsu’s theory that the virus was developed and released by a British-Japanese team with Canadian assistance and designed to weaken both China and the USA.

    Congratulations, I have never heard of that one. Feel free to add British-Japanese-Canadian [BCJ] to the list as #8. We do need some additional depth to score it:

    • What lab(s) developed the BCJ virus?
    • What was the BCJ motivation for transport & release in Wuhan?
    • How did the BCJ conspiracy achieve this?

    I’m not saying I favor that theory, but simply pointing out there are a lot of possibilities considered by sound thinkers.

    Absolutely, if desired add #9, #10, etc. to the list. However, until you offer an alternate logic system for analysis, we have to stick with Occam’s Razor. Thus, you cannot vaguely wave your hands in the direction of the list and declare “Bob Did It!”. Means, motive, & opportunity is a bit trite, but functional.

    (‣) Why would Bob want to do it?
    (‣) Did Bob have the skills? If not, how were they acquired?
    (‣) How did Bob resource the plot?
    (‣) Why did Bob choose this specific virus?
    (‣) Why did Bob intentionally release it in Wuhan?

    If the answer to one (or more) of these questions is, “Bob was a moron” — That is a potentially a valid answer. However, you have to fit that with the other positions to form a conspiracy that is not simultaneously genius/idiot. The key is generating a narrative that comes together as a coherent whole.

    You do not need hard evidence to back up these guesses. Occam’s Razor handles speculation by scoring it versus credibility.

    PEACE 😇

  642. @LatW
    @sudden death


    even then it was absolutely fringe
     
    There is a small sliver of them.


    And, no, they are not skinheads, but mostly intellectual Rodnovers or just secular pro-Euro ethno nationalists. They were around for at least until mid to late 2000s, then they were gone (were persecuted). They only showed up again recently, in the war (there is a Russian group fighting there on the side of Ukraine, the Russian Volunteer Corps, some of them have the РОА patches, they are not the worshippers of NS or Germany, but classical Roman / Italian type of fascists or Pan-Europeans.

    Their roots are way before РОА. Their symbol is the so called Spaika Larionova.

    https://www.peoples.ru/art/literature/prose/publicist/viktor_larionov/

    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.

    Some of them, not all of them. The МДП guys, whose РОА song I posted in my reply ro sudden death fight on the Russian side. Same thing for ДШРГ Русич (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group), which despite being anti-Putin national socialists consider that Donbass must be defended against Ukrainian assimilationist policies. It’s a brother killing brother situation. It should have never happened. The only people who benefit from this massacre are the enemies of the Slav.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Some of them, not all of them.
     
    I was talking about one particular group (РДК). I know that that part of the movement is all split up, with the larger part on the Russian side and the smaller one on the Ukrainian / European side.

    Русич
     
    Milchakov was never the type that I had in mind. Mine do not hurt innocent kitties. I like that he is Northern Russian with a strong vibe, and his choices are totally understandable. But we need to have space.

    Also, he made threats towards the Baltic states. He would be taken out quickly. I have nothing against him as long as he stays on his own territory. Everyone needs space. You guys have way more space than needed. The pro-Ukrainian Russian ethno nats deserve space and they should have Ukraine, as the one Slavic country that they understand, the culture of which they are familiar with and love. You have no idea how they were abused by Putin's government! They didn't deserve to be treated that way. They have freedom now.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  643. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Jie yra mūsų pusėje.
     
    Some of them, not all of them. The МДП guys, whose РОА song I posted in my reply ro sudden death fight on the Russian side. Same thing for ДШРГ Русич (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group), which despite being anti-Putin national socialists consider that Donbass must be defended against Ukrainian assimilationist policies. It's a brother killing brother situation. It should have never happened. The only people who benefit from this massacre are the enemies of the Slav.

    Replies: @LatW

    Some of them, not all of them.

    I was talking about one particular group (РДК). I know that that part of the movement is all split up, with the larger part on the Russian side and the smaller one on the Ukrainian / European side.

    [MORE]

    Русич

    Milchakov was never the type that I had in mind. Mine do not hurt innocent kitties. I like that he is Northern Russian with a strong vibe, and his choices are totally understandable. But we need to have space.

    Also, he made threats towards the Baltic states. He would be taken out quickly. I have nothing against him as long as he stays on his own territory. Everyone needs space. You guys have way more space than needed. The pro-Ukrainian Russian ethno nats deserve space and they should have Ukraine, as the one Slavic country that they understand, the culture of which they are familiar with and love. You have no idea how they were abused by Putin’s government! They didn’t deserve to be treated that way. They have freedom now.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    You have no idea how they were abused by Putin’s government!
     
    Well, I have been already living abroad when their generation came to political activism so I couldn't know exactly what RusFed did to them. But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993. So I have a better idea than you think. Also, you would notice that I have never criticized Ukrainian far right, except perhaps in relation to some Left Hand Path inclinations. In my opinion, far right activists should not fight each other. They should fight the Golem/the Machine.

    Replies: @LatW

  644. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Some of them, not all of them.
     
    I was talking about one particular group (РДК). I know that that part of the movement is all split up, with the larger part on the Russian side and the smaller one on the Ukrainian / European side.

    Русич
     
    Milchakov was never the type that I had in mind. Mine do not hurt innocent kitties. I like that he is Northern Russian with a strong vibe, and his choices are totally understandable. But we need to have space.

    Also, he made threats towards the Baltic states. He would be taken out quickly. I have nothing against him as long as he stays on his own territory. Everyone needs space. You guys have way more space than needed. The pro-Ukrainian Russian ethno nats deserve space and they should have Ukraine, as the one Slavic country that they understand, the culture of which they are familiar with and love. You have no idea how they were abused by Putin's government! They didn't deserve to be treated that way. They have freedom now.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    You have no idea how they were abused by Putin’s government!

    Well, I have been already living abroad when their generation came to political activism so I couldn’t know exactly what RusFed did to them. But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993. So I have a better idea than you think. Also, you would notice that I have never criticized Ukrainian far right, except perhaps in relation to some Left Hand Path inclinations. In my opinion, far right activists should not fight each other. They should fight the Golem/the Machine.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    so I couldn’t know exactly what RusFed did to them
     
    They have been through hell and they deserve space, to be free and to be left alone. They were mostly political prisoners. Even someone like Dima Demushkin never deserved what they did to him (and I do not believe for one second that he is an FSB asset). He was in the same cell where Navalny is now, he knows it by heart, they did it to him first. He is half broken now.

    But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993.
     
    I respect that. It is time to create a real party. Not wait until this is over, but start now. I don't mean you personally but in general, I see that there is what looks like a somewhat functioning core already - this Dimitriev guy is quite smart (he is brutally honest, which is cool and really helps in the beginning stages). So no issue with that whatsoever. As long as you guys focus on yourselves. Eventually there could be a kind of a right wing coalition in Russia, if Russia is free.

    But those who are with us, they deserve their space, too. Frankly, I wish they would not go back to Russia but stayed in Ukraine for good.

    Свободу России!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  645. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    You have no idea how they were abused by Putin’s government!
     
    Well, I have been already living abroad when their generation came to political activism so I couldn't know exactly what RusFed did to them. But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993. So I have a better idea than you think. Also, you would notice that I have never criticized Ukrainian far right, except perhaps in relation to some Left Hand Path inclinations. In my opinion, far right activists should not fight each other. They should fight the Golem/the Machine.

    Replies: @LatW

    so I couldn’t know exactly what RusFed did to them

    They have been through hell and they deserve space, to be free and to be left alone. They were mostly political prisoners. Even someone like Dima Demushkin never deserved what they did to him (and I do not believe for one second that he is an FSB asset). He was in the same cell where Navalny is now, he knows it by heart, they did it to him first. He is half broken now.

    [MORE]

    But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993.

    I respect that. It is time to create a real party. Not wait until this is over, but start now. I don’t mean you personally but in general, I see that there is what looks like a somewhat functioning core already – this Dimitriev guy is quite smart (he is brutally honest, which is cool and really helps in the beginning stages). So no issue with that whatsoever. As long as you guys focus on yourselves. Eventually there could be a kind of a right wing coalition in Russia, if Russia is free.

    But those who are with us, they deserve their space, too. Frankly, I wish they would not go back to Russia but stayed in Ukraine for good.

    Свободу России!

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Dima Demushkin never deserved what they did to him (and I do not believe for one second that he is an FSB asset)
     
    I have never written that he was. And I agree that he was treated unjustly. As I wrote in my reply to sudden death, in my subjective opinion, they have all been manipulated and used to discredit nationalism as a valid political doctrine, acceptable to most Russians.

    time to create a real party
     
    They are working on it for years. We'll see if they get somewhere with Yuneman. He has impeccable credentials. But RusFed being what it is, he might be stopped or even taken out.

    As long as you guys focus on yourselves.
     
    That's what I was writing here since day one. Russia needs to take care of itself and fix its own problems for two - three generations. The rot there must be cured by Russians themselves, just like the rot in the West must be cured by the locals too.
  646. @A123
    @QCIC


    I think demolition is more likely. You supplied some references to support the notion that an industrial accident is at least possible as opposed to the confusion of one person. I haven’t read them carefully yet.
     
    Let me know when you do read them.

    I am unsure why you (or anyone else) believes demolition is likely. Please lay out one or more sabotage scenarios that explain the big three problems -- Timing, geography, and 3 of 4 tubes.

    Do you have any theories to explain the surprising working relationship between Ukrainian Jews and Ukrainian NeoNazis?
     
    I cannot imagine a more boring topic. Does this even exist in quantity?

    Anti-Semite Zelensky is working with the Azovites... But, it does not take deep analysis to grasp that apostates have issues.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    Oh come on now kremlinstoogeA123, in your strange conspiracy theory infused world, doesn’t Zelensky take his marching orders directly from IslamoSoros, therefore wouldn’t it be more proper to name him IslamoZelensky? Or within Ivashka’s equally interesting world view, Zelensky is under the thumb of Klaus Schwab, making KnightoftheLégiond’HonneurofUkraineZelensky an equally legidimate nom de plume?
    “No truth to claims Zelenskyy, Soros are cousins”

    Or:

    More believable, that Zelensky and Schultz are blood brothers (skull & bones)?

  647. The first anniversary of the invasion calls for some sort of re-assessment.

    A country of 145 million should have defeated a country of 35 million in
    a matter of months if not weeks. So what happened?

    Clearly, the Russians, unlike the Germanics – the Rottweilers of the white
    race – are not a martial race. This could be regarded as a compliment, except
    that Russians, like Germans, are afflicted with bloated egos and delusions
    of grandeur. We love the Italians partly because, except for the Mafia, they are
    so disorganized they pose no real danger to anyone. It now appears that
    the Russians are too lazy (after all, Russia is a country of lazy rednecks
    /vatniks/), too disorganized, and too corrupt to conduct operations in a way
    that would be studied in military textbooks for centuries to come. Russian
    philosophy of life seems to be, “Russia has infinite mineral wealth, so why
    work hard?”

    Russians are always complaining about being attacked by foreigners
    (Napoleon, Hitler, etc), but it doesn’t seem to occur to them that obscenely
    large countries have very long borders, and very long borders are very
    diificult to defend. Life is about optimization, not maximization, and,
    as Leopold Kohr said, “Size is the root of all evil.” It will be the task of
    the XXII century to break up obscenely large countries like Russia, China,
    India, the U.S., etc for they pose unacceptable danger to world peace.

    On a deeper level, why are Eastern Slavs so singularly unlucky among the
    Europeans? If the world is a school, why has it been necessary for the Eastern
    Slavs to suffer starvation, being crushed by falling buildings, and having bodies
    shredded or vaporized in order to learn spiritual lessons? True, humanity is
    still very primitive. We’ve made a bit of progress since the days of the Roman
    Empire, but not as much as we think. As Iain McGilchrist points out in his
    masterpiece “The Master and His Emissary” (2009), the major tragedy of
    Modernity has been the hegemony of the left brain hemisphere. True, this
    hideous imbalance gave us science and technology but the West has paid a
    terrible price in the form of extreme materialism, militarism, and reductionism.
    We’re having extreme difficulty rising above the level of weapon-making
    predatory primates, and right now due to our stupidity we’re causing the
    biggest Extinction Event in 66 million years. The Earth would truly be
    better off without us.

    Going back to the hapless Eastern Slavs, even heavenly beings seem to
    avoid them. There is not a single Eastern Orthodox country one can
    admire, and while Virgin Mary made famous appearances in Lourdes
    (France), Fatima (Portugal), and Medjugorje (Catholic Bosnia), with the
    latter still continuing, and Jesus Christ made over 80 appearances before
    St. Faustyna of Poland, all Catholics, why is it that Virgin Mary (or other
    heavenly beings) never appeared before a group of Russian or Ukrainian
    children, and never blessed them with miracles and grace?

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Anon 2


    why is it that Virgin Mary (or other heavenly beings) never appeared before a group of Russian or Ukrainian children, and never blessed them with miracles and grace?
     
    Interesting observation. But note that Eastern Slavs are not the only victims of the Virgin Mary's indifference. There are no records of Her appearances in Pakistan either. Or in Oman, Zimbabwe, Laos,... I don't think that even the Swedes ever got Her visit. But She did show up in Mexico and Chile. It's almost as if the Virgin Mary only made apparitions in countries where people believe in... the Virgin Mary and her apparitions.

    Replies: @Anon 2

  648. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?
     
    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

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    but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    I agree with your assessment of Handel’s “masterful musicianship”. Sometimes, his music evokes within me an appreciation of the purest perfection possible…but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….
     
    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

  649. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams - it is mostly nonsense, but harmless. It gives you hope since the reality has to be changed otherwise the current trends will undermine the Western global mono-dominance. It is the usual promising the ideal world for tomorrow - you seem by temperament a communist or a real estate promoter...there is gold in them hills!!! believe.......


    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
     
    20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers...

    Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of 'minority self-determination', but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.

    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad - it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no 'principles', it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger.

    But don't preach us - it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad – it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders

    A reminder that it was the same (or rather, quite similar) situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.

    NATO didn’t try to occupy Belgrade and didn’t give parts of Serb-majority lands to Albanian occupation.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP

    Right but because the United States has done bad things it logically follows that Russia should erase Ukraine from the map. What about that is so difficult to understand?

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...the same situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.
     
    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first and didn't even bother to negotiate, it simply issued an ultimatum. Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal. That's the reason Russia has gone beyond Donbas-Crimea.

    It is all about force now. The side that wins will dictate the borders and what language dominates where. My point is that the West lacks any principled stand and their preaching is just annoying. Let's agree that it will be decided by a modern day version of a duel - maybe the divine preferences will be revealed ...:)

    Replies: @AP

  650. @Ivashka the fool
    @Blinky Bill

    Well, there is a joke a Polish fiend once told me.



    A Polish man finds a lamp with a genie inside. He rubs the lamp and the genie comes out and offers him three wishes.

    So the Pollack says my first wish is for the Chinese Army to come all the way in and invade and ransack Geemany and then return all the way back home. The genie is kind of puzzled but answers: sure I can make that happen, what's your second wish?

    The guy answers: I want the Chinese to come back again to invade and ransacke Germany again and go back home. Surprised, the genie scratches his head and shrugs the shoulders, then asks for the last wish. And the Pollack asks exactly the same thing one last time.

    So the genie tells the guy; would you tell me why you wished such weird things? And the guy answers : Germany being destroyed and thrashed by the Chinese, suits them well for all they did to us, but to come here and go back, the Chinese must conquer Russia, so for each time they attack Germany, they have to conquer and then cross Russia coming and going back, which makes for the Chinese Army to thrash Russia six times...

    Although you are being a bit facetious as usual with your comment Blinky, there is some truth to what you wrote. Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China. Some people start to wonder whether the Atlanticist would fight till the last Ukrainian, while the Chinese would do that to the last Russian.

    And yeah, the Zelenyi Kleen being an area of massive Ukrainian colonization in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, some also wonder if some separatism might one day spring there too (unlikely in my opinion).

    I agree that it could and should have been different. This time-line is a mess. Those responsible will burn in Hell.

    And thanks for the video, brings back memories. Did you read Rutskoy interview on Lenta.ru ?

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/06/11/rutskoy/

    Hazbulatov died not long ago...

    Replies: @LatW

    Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China.

    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn’t this what the “Great Bifurcation” is about? He wrote for months and months, if not years about it. In the beginning of the war, he was full of hopes that China will step in (to help kill Ukrainians!), be more assertive and provide Russia with military help. I know that you did not hold that opinion or wish, but there were such voices on the Russian side.

    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face. The solution is to close up, and strengthen ourselves, even if separately, so that we can withstand both sides. There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face.
     
    Why are you saying this? I looked it up and I haven't seen any new information that China is going to arm Russia.

    China's number 1 strategic priority right now is to keep Russia from returning to detente with the United States. So while China doesn't want Russia to lose, China doesn't want Russia to win either.

    What China wants to avoid is something like the RAND article scenario: ceasefire in place and dropping of the post invasion sanctions in exchange for Russia agreeing to allow some of Russia's confiscated overseas reserves to be used for Ukrainian reconstruction. Well, the more Putin gets from China, the less likely that he is to agree to such a proposal. If Putin is assured of Chinese backing, he may elect to just prosecute the war until Ukraine surrenders.

    China can't afford to completely alienate the West because it would be devastating for China's mercantile economy. But while China cannot openly supply the Russian military, it can supply Russia with just about everything Russia needs through the back door and simply claim all the kit that arrives on the front is actually of Iranian, North Korean or indigenous Russian make. Will the West be too degenerate and gay to call China on this? I would suspect yes, but maybe not.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn’t this what the “Great Bifurcation” is about?
     
    Anatoly seems believing that it might be positive for Russia somehow. But he is also a transhumanist who broadly agrees with the WEF agenda. He will end up embracing Globalism, probably already did. That's what mostly happens to the techno-fetishists.

    There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.
     
    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.

    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways. Think of USSR and Nazi Germany, but with a 1939 - 1940 "friendship" period that has lasted for 2 generations.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the "New (fake and gay) Cold War".

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over. And in two - three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.

    QCIC is probably being right about the Fermi Paradox explanation. Most sentient beings do not reach technology stage, among those who do, most self-destroy through their inability to balance technology and ethics. As a species we lack sound ethics and metaphysics. The more we assend on technological ability scale and the more dangerous the eventual downfall is. This will most probably be our demise. Shafarevich was right, these two roads (the Golem and the Machine) lead to the same cliff.

    And then, one might just hope than in a hundred million years, our distant descendants would do better than we did.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

  651. I am awake for a stupid Asia time zone conference call… Is my presence needed… No… Yet… Because Management… There it is…

    My first instinct was “cat videos”…. But this is stranger…

    PEACE 😇

  652. @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians
     
    What about the death of guilty Ukrainians? Those responsible for murder of civilians in Donbass 2014-2023? Those responsible for torture of political prisoners? Those responsible for murders of people in Odessa and Mariupol in 2014, or for the murder of Oles Buzina in Kiev? As well as those guilty of numerous other crimes? Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?

    I think you are supposed to be happy that justice was served without actually taking pleasure in the suffering of the guilty. It’s a fine line to walk.

    That’s what I think, at least.

  653. @AP
    @Beckow


    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad – it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders
     
    A reminder that it was the same (or rather, quite similar) situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.

    NATO didn’t try to occupy Belgrade and didn’t give parts of Serb-majority lands to Albanian occupation.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    Right but because the United States has done bad things it logically follows that Russia should erase Ukraine from the map. What about that is so difficult to understand?

  654. If China ends up allying with Russia, it will be amusing to see all the white liberals turn against China after being CCP shills during the Trump years. They are already showing signs of turning against Africa and Latin America.

    How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!
     
    There will be a renewed attempt at endless 'color revolutions'. The liberals never change their spots, the names are taken, disloyal countries listed. The liberals will be very busy, they will try to do it all simultaneously - no quarter will be given. People like Orban, Modi, etc...will be attacked, demonized.

    But the gig is up, it is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel - there are too many 'enemies' and the water keeps on flowing in.

    It is actually comical - look at the hapless Leave no Shadow squirming as he/she scuttles away. They have lost, now for the consequences...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa

  655. @AP
    @Beckow


    Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad – it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders
     
    A reminder that it was the same (or rather, quite similar) situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.

    NATO didn’t try to occupy Belgrade and didn’t give parts of Serb-majority lands to Albanian occupation.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    …the same situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.

    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first and didn’t even bother to negotiate, it simply issued an ultimatum. Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal. That’s the reason Russia has gone beyond Donbas-Crimea.

    It is all about force now. The side that wins will dictate the borders and what language dominates where. My point is that the West lacks any principled stand and their preaching is just annoying. Let’s agree that it will be decided by a modern day version of a duel – maybe the divine preferences will be revealed …:)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.
     
    That you lie easily and often is well known. Now after you have often whined about “if” you start engaging in it when it suits you, so you are also a hypocrite. But your hypocrisy is wrapped in a lie of course:

    “Serbia does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state and continues to claim it as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija”

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first
     
    NATO didn’t annex territories populated with one ethnic group to another ethnic group’s country first. Putin did that. And before Putin, in Europe it was Hitler and Stalin.

    When Putin took Crimea he was following NATO’s precedent but when he tried to take Kiev and took parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia he is following in the footsteps of Hitler and Stalin. He has “advanced.”

    Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal
     
    Sure, and Hitler tried to make an alliance with stubborn Poland for many years but got nothing more than an agreement not to attack. He had no choice, he was provoked there and in Czechoslovakia too. Speeches sound familiar:



    https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1629499726230958081?s=46&t=GfSatYwivkLyNxVuYjW3lA

    Replies: @Beckow

  656. @Greasy William
    If China ends up allying with Russia, it will be amusing to see all the white liberals turn against China after being CCP shills during the Trump years. They are already showing signs of turning against Africa and Latin America.

    How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!

    Replies: @Beckow

    …How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!

    There will be a renewed attempt at endless ‘color revolutions’. The liberals never change their spots, the names are taken, disloyal countries listed. The liberals will be very busy, they will try to do it all simultaneously – no quarter will be given. People like Orban, Modi, etc…will be attacked, demonized.

    But the gig is up, it is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel – there are too many ‘enemies’ and the water keeps on flowing in.

    It is actually comical – look at the hapless Leave no Shadow squirming as he/she scuttles away. They have lost, now for the consequences…

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Have the white liberals in your own country started to criticize the browns for not obeying white liberal orders to sanction Russia?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    I'm sorry you feel you've been personally demonised, but the critical words directed at Orban and Modi by liberal newspapers are not the same thing. Your struggle is not their struggle and Putin murdering Ukrainians is not your vindication. Grow up.

    And please don't take this for a lack of sympathy. I know very well what it is like to be demonised and even horribly scapegoated. I am not dismissing that experience. I am just separating it out from some irrelevant geopolitical narrative.

    Replies: @Beckow

  657. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China.
     
    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn't this what the "Great Bifurcation" is about? He wrote for months and months, if not years about it. In the beginning of the war, he was full of hopes that China will step in (to help kill Ukrainians!), be more assertive and provide Russia with military help. I know that you did not hold that opinion or wish, but there were such voices on the Russian side.

    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face. The solution is to close up, and strengthen ourselves, even if separately, so that we can withstand both sides. There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face.

    Why are you saying this? I looked it up and I haven’t seen any new information that China is going to arm Russia.

    China’s number 1 strategic priority right now is to keep Russia from returning to detente with the United States. So while China doesn’t want Russia to lose, China doesn’t want Russia to win either.

    What China wants to avoid is something like the RAND article scenario: ceasefire in place and dropping of the post invasion sanctions in exchange for Russia agreeing to allow some of Russia’s confiscated overseas reserves to be used for Ukrainian reconstruction. Well, the more Putin gets from China, the less likely that he is to agree to such a proposal. If Putin is assured of Chinese backing, he may elect to just prosecute the war until Ukraine surrenders.

    China can’t afford to completely alienate the West because it would be devastating for China’s mercantile economy. But while China cannot openly supply the Russian military, it can supply Russia with just about everything Russia needs through the back door and simply claim all the kit that arrives on the front is actually of Iranian, North Korean or indigenous Russian make. Will the West be too degenerate and gay to call China on this? I would suspect yes, but maybe not.

  658. @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!
     
    There will be a renewed attempt at endless 'color revolutions'. The liberals never change their spots, the names are taken, disloyal countries listed. The liberals will be very busy, they will try to do it all simultaneously - no quarter will be given. People like Orban, Modi, etc...will be attacked, demonized.

    But the gig is up, it is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel - there are too many 'enemies' and the water keeps on flowing in.

    It is actually comical - look at the hapless Leave no Shadow squirming as he/she scuttles away. They have lost, now for the consequences...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa

    Have the white liberals in your own country started to criticize the browns for not obeying white liberal orders to sanction Russia?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    No, not yet...the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind...the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.

    Some local liberal economists have just discovered the immutable hand of the global markets and the handy 'makers-and-takers' slogan, they are giddy and say it is like a miracle, a revelation...

    Liberals tend to be very simple people lacking any sense of metaphysics...we are also still waiting for the gender-mania to fully blossom.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  659. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Have the white liberals in your own country started to criticize the browns for not obeying white liberal orders to sanction Russia?

    Replies: @Beckow

    No, not yet…the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind…the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.

    Some local liberal economists have just discovered the immutable hand of the global markets and the handy ‘makers-and-takers‘ slogan, they are giddy and say it is like a miracle, a revelation…

    Liberals tend to be very simple people lacking any sense of metaphysics…we are also still waiting for the gender-mania to fully blossom.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    No, not yet…the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind…the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.
     
    That's interesting. The liberals here have all buried Floyd's memory and have now become hardcore shills for the police, as de-policing has led to black attacks on Asians and (more importantly) white liberals. Also it is hurting the property values of white liberals who live in urban areas.

    Replies: @Beckow

  660. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    Very deep and contemplative type of music written in a minor scale as you point out, and its a funeral anthem too. And you find the experience of listening to this type of music to be elevating?
     
    Yes well funeral music appeals to my temperament. Almost all my favorite classical pieces are played on the minor scale. I find they are more filled with pathos and nobility of sentiment. Sometimes I enjoy the playful tunes; but they don’t strike the soul the same way as the minor scale. As to their uplifting effects on me; I’m glad you brought this subject up because its something I’ve been thinking about for a while. Why do people like one song and not another? I’ve read a bit on this subject but haven’t grasped the science completely; so I’ll just engage in speculative-philosophical musings.

    First; as I mentioned temperament is likely the chief determinant. The reaction elicited from the entry of sound waves to the brain will be determined by your peculiar neuro-psychological framework. Scientist don’t yet have a granular picture of what occurs; but we know that the anatomical areas engaged by music are the cortex, the limbic system, the neuroendocrine and the autonomic nervous systems. Hermann von Helmholtz makes the point that no other fine art engages the senses more than music. This is probably why Schopenhauer saw it fit to label it as the highest art; a notion I would tend to agree with.

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece. Aaron Copeland says that this ambiguity is what separates the good composers from the great. He concedes that Tchaikovsky is superior at conjuring melodies; but says that Beethoven is the greater composer because returning to a piece of his will give a different interpretation every time. Beethoven’s music never gets stale; whereas Tchaikovsky gets boring quick.

    I’d only half agree with Copeland’s point. I think he’s onto something with the staleness; but I’d put Beethoven’s superiority down to another factor; one that I view as the chiefest good in music. Beethoven is the greatest composer simply because of the intrinsic dignity of the man. Music like other arts reflects the character of the composer. If the composer is frivolous; his music will tend towards playfulness. If he is dignified; his music will reflect this gravity. If he is dull; the music will be mechanical. In each of these attributes you don’t want to overdo it in either direction (the excess and deficiency); and here the Aristotelian concept of the golden mean applies. The emotions that Beethoven put in his music were noble in character; because he was neither dull nor frivolous; neither mechanical nor sentimental. There wasn’t a cheap bone in the whole body of his music. In other words he did not engage in sentimental faggotry like Tchaikovsky; nor mechanical dullness like Bach. His music combines the best of each; never veering into the excess or the deficiency; and the outcome is Olympian in character. That to me is why he is the greatest composer.

    All that said, my theory breaks down when it comes to the Austrian boy-wonder, Mozarticus. From his biographical details, he seemed to have been a quasi-faggot, yet for some reason unbeknownst to me, produced some of the noblest music known to man. I can’t really explain it; so I’ll just peg it down to his natural talent for music and good influences (his Introitus in the Requiem was borrowed substantially from Handel). But then he is far from the only classical composer to borrow melodies from others; so I still can’t put my finger on him. I’ll leave that to others to figure out.

    But to sum it up; gravitas is what I look for in music; and that’s why I derive enjoyment from The Ways Of Zion Do Mourn. There is the inescapable dignity of the ancient prophets in that piece of music; perhaps owing to the religious nature; but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

    Music also happens to be the most abstract of the arts; you really can’t put a solid finger on the meaning of the music itself. People try to attach labels such as “exciting”, “haunting”, “powerful”, “melancholic”; and though they sometimes have a real and objective basis; at the highest levels it is difficult to ascertain the precise quality/meaning of a piece

    As religious music was supposed to connect pre-ordained pictures with pre-ordained feelings, in Germany so called “Affektenlehre” was created, which tried to connect musical figures to emotions.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctrine_of_the_affections

    Few months ago I was at the concert (organ + tenor voice) during organ festival which tried to illustrate this concept, among else with the example of following piece by Johann Kuhnau played by Juergen Banholzer, a depiction of the fight between David and Goliath. Here a video when every part has subtitles (unfortunately German only, but you can perhaps switch on translation), so you can “check” your feeling against the story:

    Other composers presented during the concert were Dietrich Buxtehude, Heinrich Schutz, Franz Tunder, Johann Speth, Bartolomeo Barbarino, Johann Hildebrand, Gottfried Heinrich Stoelzel.

    As for Mozart, I could never make myself to love him; I have always preferred Haendel and even Vivaldi (“L’estro armonico”!). I would say Haendel has certain dignity which Mozart lacks, Haendel goes deeper in my soul than Mozart, but does it mean anything…?

  661. @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    No, not yet...the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind...the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.

    Some local liberal economists have just discovered the immutable hand of the global markets and the handy 'makers-and-takers' slogan, they are giddy and say it is like a miracle, a revelation...

    Liberals tend to be very simple people lacking any sense of metaphysics...we are also still waiting for the gender-mania to fully blossom.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    No, not yet…the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind…the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.

    That’s interesting. The liberals here have all buried Floyd’s memory and have now become hardcore shills for the police, as de-policing has led to black attacks on Asians and (more importantly) white liberals. Also it is hurting the property values of white liberals who live in urban areas.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    It is like when you drop a rock in a lake - in this case more like a rainbow colored piece of giant sh..t - the remote outposts get the wave later, sometimes weaker.

    In some ways the derivative satrapy liberalism is worse than the original - it lacks everything: common sense, rationality and even timeliness...the satrapy liberals, also known as compradors, are the saddest creatures, always yearning and angry, full of admiration and servility, but also hatred...an unstable bunch...

  662. Biden regime rhetoric on China arming Russia is bluffing, they are terrified of it so China should do it following the rejection of their peace plan, the US imposes sanctions anyway. No different to how they bluff over Russia targeting NATO supply lines, there will be no great retaliation, this is it.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    The supply lines thing is not a bluff. US would definitely respond if Russia targeted US supply lines. The US is degenerate and gay but it can still be effective when it can hide behind its proxies or its airforce.

    The China thing I think is a psuedo bluff. As long as Chinese supplies come with sufficient plausible deniability and and aren't enough to break the stalemate, I agree that the US will do nothing. But if China openly arms Russia or gives Russia enough to conquer Kiev, it's game on.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    Were you doing the Russian planning before the war and imagining the following:

    1. The Zelensky government won't stay and fight

    2. The Ukrainian military won't maintain discipline

    3. Germany won't cancel the authentication of NS2

    4. The developed democracies won't provide financial support to Ukraine

    5. The developed democracies won't provide arms to Ukraine

    6. The developed democracies won't provide missiles to Ukraine

    7. The developed democracies won't provide tanks to Ukraine

    8. The developed democracies won't wean themselves off Russian gas

    9. The developed democracies won't freeze Russian assets

    10. The developed democracies won't do proper sanctions

    Ultimately, Europe won't put up with China arming an invasion of Europe and will bring the rest of the developed world, and their respective spheres, in on sanctions against China if they were to try. This would be the end of the CCP.

    Putin may be able to justify Russian suffering over Ukraine to Russians for now, but China's export-based economy is not something Chinese want to sacrifice in order to try and sustain a failed Russian war of aggression. Thats stupid.

    As for Russia bombing NATO countries, lol. NATO countries, especially those bordering Ukraine, would absolute love any excuse whatsoever to strike at the incredibly vulnerable Russian military currently dying outside of Bakhmut. Probably nothing would make the Polish government happier than obliterating a few Russian BGs as a safe and protected response to Russian aggression entering its territory.



    But I'm glad you're saying "this is it." Your account has a year-long track record of putting soon-to-be Russian failures onto the developed democracies, NATO or Ukraine. Therefore I feel perhaps this really is it for Russia. There is no more effort and with this utterly failed 2-3 month offensive that has culminated, their troops will soon be heading home. Let's all hope!

  663. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    so I couldn’t know exactly what RusFed did to them
     
    They have been through hell and they deserve space, to be free and to be left alone. They were mostly political prisoners. Even someone like Dima Demushkin never deserved what they did to him (and I do not believe for one second that he is an FSB asset). He was in the same cell where Navalny is now, he knows it by heart, they did it to him first. He is half broken now.

    But I know what it did to those who defended the Parliament and the Constitution in 1993.
     
    I respect that. It is time to create a real party. Not wait until this is over, but start now. I don't mean you personally but in general, I see that there is what looks like a somewhat functioning core already - this Dimitriev guy is quite smart (he is brutally honest, which is cool and really helps in the beginning stages). So no issue with that whatsoever. As long as you guys focus on yourselves. Eventually there could be a kind of a right wing coalition in Russia, if Russia is free.

    But those who are with us, they deserve their space, too. Frankly, I wish they would not go back to Russia but stayed in Ukraine for good.

    Свободу России!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Dima Demushkin never deserved what they did to him (and I do not believe for one second that he is an FSB asset)

    I have never written that he was. And I agree that he was treated unjustly. As I wrote in my reply to sudden death, in my subjective opinion, they have all been manipulated and used to discredit nationalism as a valid political doctrine, acceptable to most Russians.

    time to create a real party

    They are working on it for years. We’ll see if they get somewhere with Yuneman. He has impeccable credentials. But RusFed being what it is, he might be stopped or even taken out.

    As long as you guys focus on yourselves.

    That’s what I was writing here since day one. Russia needs to take care of itself and fix its own problems for two – three generations. The rot there must be cured by Russians themselves, just like the rot in the West must be cured by the locals too.

  664. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Lately, I happen to read more and more often the war in Ukraine being described as a proxy war between USA/NATO and China.
     
    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn't this what the "Great Bifurcation" is about? He wrote for months and months, if not years about it. In the beginning of the war, he was full of hopes that China will step in (to help kill Ukrainians!), be more assertive and provide Russia with military help. I know that you did not hold that opinion or wish, but there were such voices on the Russian side.

    Yes, in the last few days it became apparent that the danger is much bigger than it appeared. Xi showed his true face. The solution is to close up, and strengthen ourselves, even if separately, so that we can withstand both sides. There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Ivashka the fool

    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn’t this what the “Great Bifurcation” is about?

    Anatoly seems believing that it might be positive for Russia somehow. But he is also a transhumanist who broadly agrees with the WEF agenda. He will end up embracing Globalism, probably already did. That’s what mostly happens to the techno-fetishists.

    There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.

    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.

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    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways. Think of USSR and Nazi Germany, but with a 1939 – 1940 “friendship” period that has lasted for 2 generations.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the “New (fake and gay) Cold War”.

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over. And in two – three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.

    QCIC is probably being right about the Fermi Paradox explanation. Most sentient beings do not reach technology stage, among those who do, most self-destroy through their inability to balance technology and ethics. As a species we lack sound ethics and metaphysics. The more we assend on technological ability scale and the more dangerous the eventual downfall is. This will most probably be our demise. Shafarevich was right, these two roads (the Golem and the Machine) lead to the same cliff.

    And then, one might just hope than in a hundred million years, our distant descendants would do better than we did.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool


    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the “New (fake and gay) Cold War”.
     
    Slavs may still be too numerous, and in the main only receiving immigration from familiar neighbouring peoples, so they get taken up in intense internal divisions. The majority of northern Germanic Europeans still seem too affluent for some serious alternative options to emerge just yet. Maybe France and Italy are feeling it enough already for something to come from there, but it is hard to say.

    The potential seems to be there in political and religious/spiritual thought, if the motivation and resources needed to develop it arise.
    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.
     
    Well, if we are in such a vulnerable state to be pitched against each other so easily, then we should be more careful, I suggest the Russian side contemplate this, too. They seem to look at this issue as if "the Americans are pitching Ukrainians against us", when in fact there is a lot in the Russian behavior and language that is alienating.

    They will not be able to pitch Ukrainians against other Eastern Europeans now, not as easily, we are blending together, the Russians are the only ones outside now. I only wonder if there is going to be a hard wall (as in during the Cold War) that will sever Russia from us or not.


    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways.
     
    Of course, they are connected, and the Chinese money now flows everywhere, recently the port of Hamburg was bought by the Chinese (thankfully, only partially), there has been talk about the Chinese purchasing US land (I can't believe the US even allowed that). My preference would be to tread carefully with China and not confront them openly unnecessarily, but there are definitely issues with freedom there. We need Russia as a buffer there, we don't want the buffer to shrink so fast. You see now how foolish this "operation" was.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves.
     
    While what you suggest would be ideal, similarity is not enough, there has to be harmony. Because people can also organize based on ideology or other interests. It's not like in the old days where one was limited to their space.

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over.
     
    I don't know, that seems awfully fast, just 25 years? Although things move much faster now than before. You are correct that things are accelerating, the madness accelerated right during and shortly after Covid (in the US at least with the whole "Floyd" affair after which all the ads all of a sudden changed to black hair, etc). There must have been some kind of an internal impulse there that Covid triggered. Society is looking for guidelines, these guidelines are no longer stable as in a more traditional society.

    And in two – three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.
     
    Two, three generations seems short. Come on, it's the people who are born today and their children. You mean that there will be an artificially created bottleneck or that humanity will start feeling the pinch of limited resources? Do not worry - our people are likely to get through the bottleneck, even if not in full (which will be sad) as they are numerous and they inhabit the best lands. We will still control a large part of those lands. We simply need to be more assertive. Most important is to secure water and arable land. That said, 2-3 generations is not a lot in my book. Our people should survive much longer, way more generations to come. But at that point it becomes unpredictable.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  665. @LatW
    @Yahya


    Thanks for the rec! I immediately liked the piece. We seem to share some musical tastes.
     
    You're welcome. I have a rather specific taste, but I listen to a few things outside of my narrow taste as well. Grieg is just one of the classics I used to listen to in my early 20s. Feel free to listen to the whole suite, it starts out with a light, delicate piece (Morning), follows into a dance piece, and moves on to the more dramatic Mountain King. Btw, there is a spectacular piece with highly ecstatic fragments in it called Arabian Dance. (Describing Peer Gynt's exotic travels in North Africa).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdo1sfXTmt4&list=PLD8804CB40CAB0EA5&index=6

    The Hall of the Mountain King.... enjoy the buildup. (Grieg is Scottish, btw, one almost imagines how his passionate Scottish soul interacted with the majestic landscapes of the Norwegian mountains).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA4NBwWPt7A&list=PLD8804CB40CAB0EA5&index=4

    I still occasionally listen to the duck folk tune you posted a year ago, at the beginning of the conflict
     
    I'm unable to listen to this song anymore, as it makes me too emotional. The Ukrainians play this song during their funerals for the fallen, I don't know how they can take it. It's become a tradition. I hope some day I can listen to this song again, without being too moved.

    Btw, in case you'd like to listen to some Latvian folk... if you don't mind me sharing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z31khR-E2PU

    "How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds."

    A young woman's prayer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0KW9LRyXc

    "I prayed to Dievs* and to Laima**, both I asked dearly;
    From Dievs I asked three kinds of goodness.
    First kind of goodness - a wise counsel always available,
    Second kind of goodness - a good beloved ploughman in the homestead.

    From Laima I asked a successful life path.

    Third kind of goodness - health that comes from Dievs."

    * God (Dyēus in IE)
    ** Laima (Latvian Goddess of Fate, Fortuna).

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    “How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds.”

    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God…. How old is this text actually?
    “Crosswise” is something new to me, however – and yet it sounds like an allusion to swastika or “X”.
    It certainly evokes the following fragment of Kohelet, and suggests the song’s text is rather new (real pagans did not read Bible):

    Ecclesiastes 7:13

    Consider the work of true God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

    I hope you know where that leads…? Something about fallen angels (“the Sons of God”),hm. Aren’t you bothered by that…?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective

    We are all the fallen Light ascending back to its heavenly home through different trials and ordeals. Going back to the Omega point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @LatW
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God…. How old is this text actually?
     
    The theme of the celestial wedding is ancient (usually between the Sons of Dievs (God) and the Daughters of Saule (Sun), or sometimes other deities such as the young and beautiful Aušra, Dawn).

    And, no, it's most likely not a woman, the daina is written in first person, so hypothetically it can be either gender, however, the mention of the Moon strongly suggests that it's a man, quite possibly a soldier, since the Moon is the guardian of soldiers. (In Baltic mythology, the Sun is feminine, and the Moon is masculine, in the opposite of the English language). I have always automatically thought of this daina and similar war and Moon related dainas as described from the perspective of a man. Most likely it is a description of some passage ritual, maybe his death. It describes the celestial wedding as some kind of an end goal of it or the end of journey.


    Here is the poem in full:

    Oh fog, oh dew, those did me no good,
    My feet got wet in the dew, my steed vanished in the fog.

    (this suggests the moment of crisis, maybe his death, maybe some kind of hardship, a horse is also a symbol of a journey, of passage).

    The fog subsides, the dew subsides,
    I find my steed,
    I find my steed by the door of the hall of the Moon

    (the door might be the symbol for the possible transition and the arrival to the realm where the celestial wedding will take place).

    The Moon is taking the Daughter of the Sun,
    He is inviting me to the wedding.
    How am I going to ride to the wedding
    With an unsaddled steed?

    (maybe he lost the saddle in the previous life and now has completely nothing).

    The Sun gave a golden saddle,
    The Moon gave a silver bridle,
    Now I can ride confidently
    In the midst of the Sons of Dievs.

    (he is now properly adorned, he is given those symbols of the Sun and the Moon).

    Croswise the roots of the trees grow,
    Crosswise the stars in the sky.
    The Sons of Dievs ride sideways (or on the sides),
    The steed gallops crosswise.

    (Cosmos is organized).

  666. @LondonBob
    Biden regime rhetoric on China arming Russia is bluffing, they are terrified of it so China should do it following the rejection of their peace plan, the US imposes sanctions anyway. No different to how they bluff over Russia targeting NATO supply lines, there will be no great retaliation, this is it.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa

    The supply lines thing is not a bluff. US would definitely respond if Russia targeted US supply lines. The US is degenerate and gay but it can still be effective when it can hide behind its proxies or its airforce.

    The China thing I think is a psuedo bluff. As long as Chinese supplies come with sufficient plausible deniability and and aren’t enough to break the stalemate, I agree that the US will do nothing. But if China openly arms Russia or gives Russia enough to conquer Kiev, it’s game on.

  667. @Another Polish Perspective
    @LatW


    “How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds.”
     
    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God.... How old is this text actually?
    "Crosswise" is something new to me, however - and yet it sounds like an allusion to swastika or "X".
    It certainly evokes the following fragment of Kohelet, and suggests the song's text is rather new (real pagans did not read Bible):

    Ecclesiastes 7:13

    Consider the work of true God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

    I hope you know where that leads...? Something about fallen angels ("the Sons of God"),hm. Aren't you bothered by that...?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    We are all the fallen Light ascending back to its heavenly home through different trials and ordeals. Going back to the Omega point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    Oh, no, that French Jesuit...!

    Never trust a Jesuit.... what Jesuits really believe in under the cover of their IHS monogram, only they know... it is not without reason that the current Jesuit pope generates so much controversy... and weren't Jesuits a staple of Orthodox fear of Catholicism?

    Omega Point is just a positive, pantheist twist on the Book of the Revelation (I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End). Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too. Both theories are clearly unorthodox.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  668. @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective

    We are all the fallen Light ascending back to its heavenly home through different trials and ordeals. Going back to the Omega point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Oh, no, that French Jesuit…!

    Never trust a Jesuit…. what Jesuits really believe in under the cover of their IHS monogram, only they know… it is not without reason that the current Jesuit pope generates so much controversy… and weren’t Jesuits a staple of Orthodox fear of Catholicism?

    Omega Point is just a positive, pantheist twist on the Book of the Revelation (I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End). Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too. Both theories are clearly unorthodox.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too.
     
    Yes, Origen did nothing wrong (except perhaps when he castrated himself).

    Think of the Creation as a Sohxlet apparatus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  669. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Ivashka the fool

    Oh, no, that French Jesuit...!

    Never trust a Jesuit.... what Jesuits really believe in under the cover of their IHS monogram, only they know... it is not without reason that the current Jesuit pope generates so much controversy... and weren't Jesuits a staple of Orthodox fear of Catholicism?

    Omega Point is just a positive, pantheist twist on the Book of the Revelation (I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End). Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too. Both theories are clearly unorthodox.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too.

    Yes, Origen did nothing wrong (except perhaps when he castrated himself).

    Think of the Creation as a Sohxlet apparatus.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Yes, Origen did nothing wrong (except perhaps when he castrated himself).
     
    The castration was enemy disinformation. Origen was on the outs with the in crowd. He had the fatal flaws of (1.) less than total obedience and (2.) the sensible attitude that the pagans weren't wrong about everything and they had a few great ideas worth stealing.

    Origen for sainthood! Why the hell not? They apologized for stealing gold teeth out of holocaust corpses for crying out loud.
  670. For some reason had impression about Nancy retiring completely and going into sunset after elections, but seems not if still keeping electoral agitation team alive?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    In order to compensate for all this wokeness in a picture must also do balancing act and endorse all this sexy politico-fitnessing;)

    https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1629902158438055936

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  671. Wow, I’ve been reading all of these different apocalyptic type end of the world conspiracy theories, and quite honestly, I don’t know which ones to believe and which ones to discard. So far, I think that Ivashka’s are the most colorful…but Polish Perspective is holding his own and bringing up the rear. Perhaps, LatW, with her more moderate, middle of the road views, could help put it all into perspective for me? But wait, LatexFauna hasn’t really even gotten started yet with her own $2 cents? Oy, Matko Bozhe, please help me out? 🙂

    Doesn’t it all somehow lead to here?:

  672. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    No, not yet…the liberals in the smaller satrapies are roughly half-a-generation behind…the are still excited about Floyd and his sad travails.
     
    That's interesting. The liberals here have all buried Floyd's memory and have now become hardcore shills for the police, as de-policing has led to black attacks on Asians and (more importantly) white liberals. Also it is hurting the property values of white liberals who live in urban areas.

    Replies: @Beckow

    It is like when you drop a rock in a lake – in this case more like a rainbow colored piece of giant sh..t – the remote outposts get the wave later, sometimes weaker.

    In some ways the derivative satrapy liberalism is worse than the original – it lacks everything: common sense, rationality and even timeliness…the satrapy liberals, also known as compradors, are the saddest creatures, always yearning and angry, full of admiration and servility, but also hatred…an unstable bunch…

  673. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!
     
    There will be a renewed attempt at endless 'color revolutions'. The liberals never change their spots, the names are taken, disloyal countries listed. The liberals will be very busy, they will try to do it all simultaneously - no quarter will be given. People like Orban, Modi, etc...will be attacked, demonized.

    But the gig is up, it is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel - there are too many 'enemies' and the water keeps on flowing in.

    It is actually comical - look at the hapless Leave no Shadow squirming as he/she scuttles away. They have lost, now for the consequences...

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa

    I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised, but the critical words directed at Orban and Modi by liberal newspapers are not the same thing. Your struggle is not their struggle and Putin murdering Ukrainians is not your vindication. Grow up.

    And please don’t take this for a lack of sympathy. I know very well what it is like to be demonised and even horribly scapegoated. I am not dismissing that experience. I am just separating it out from some irrelevant geopolitical narrative.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised
     
    Where? I never said that. You are a weirdo with issues, throwing out nonsense that has nothing to do with what anyone says. You may as well yell at passing cars.

    Learn how to be coherent and address the topic. Otherwise we can't take you seriously.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  674. Turns out India isn’t going to be able to flood every corner of the earth.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    If African countries adopted a 1 child policy tomorrow, and aimed to have half of women not even do that, resulting in a 0.5 child policy. Global child poverty would be finished by 2040, probably forever. Resulting in the end of mass poverty even with current technology.

    , @songbird
    @LondonBob

    Will still be the most populous country for 50 years, and they aren't aging as rapidly as many others.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  675. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @LondonBob
    Biden regime rhetoric on China arming Russia is bluffing, they are terrified of it so China should do it following the rejection of their peace plan, the US imposes sanctions anyway. No different to how they bluff over Russia targeting NATO supply lines, there will be no great retaliation, this is it.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa

    Were you doing the Russian planning before the war and imagining the following:

    1. The Zelensky government won’t stay and fight

    2. The Ukrainian military won’t maintain discipline

    3. Germany won’t cancel the authentication of NS2

    4. The developed democracies won’t provide financial support to Ukraine

    5. The developed democracies won’t provide arms to Ukraine

    6. The developed democracies won’t provide missiles to Ukraine

    7. The developed democracies won’t provide tanks to Ukraine

    8. The developed democracies won’t wean themselves off Russian gas

    9. The developed democracies won’t freeze Russian assets

    10. The developed democracies won’t do proper sanctions

    Ultimately, Europe won’t put up with China arming an invasion of Europe and will bring the rest of the developed world, and their respective spheres, in on sanctions against China if they were to try. This would be the end of the CCP.

    Putin may be able to justify Russian suffering over Ukraine to Russians for now, but China’s export-based economy is not something Chinese want to sacrifice in order to try and sustain a failed Russian war of aggression. Thats stupid.

    As for Russia bombing NATO countries, lol. NATO countries, especially those bordering Ukraine, would absolute love any excuse whatsoever to strike at the incredibly vulnerable Russian military currently dying outside of Bakhmut. Probably nothing would make the Polish government happier than obliterating a few Russian BGs as a safe and protected response to Russian aggression entering its territory.

    [MORE]

    But I’m glad you’re saying “this is it.” Your account has a year-long track record of putting soon-to-be Russian failures onto the developed democracies, NATO or Ukraine. Therefore I feel perhaps this really is it for Russia. There is no more effort and with this utterly failed 2-3 month offensive that has culminated, their troops will soon be heading home. Let’s all hope!

  676. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @LondonBob
    Turns out India isn't going to be able to flood every corner of the earth.



    https://twitter.com/philippilk/status/1630141916011479041?s=20

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @songbird

    If African countries adopted a 1 child policy tomorrow, and aimed to have half of women not even do that, resulting in a 0.5 child policy. Global child poverty would be finished by 2040, probably forever. Resulting in the end of mass poverty even with current technology.

  677. @sudden death
    For some reason had impression about Nancy retiring completely and going into sunset after elections, but seems not if still keeping electoral agitation team alive?

    https://i.redd.it/iybeoibbopka1.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    In order to compensate for all this wokeness in a picture must also do balancing act and endorse all this sexy politico-fitnessing;)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    She didn't get the memo that fitness as a political statement is a loser when your voter demographic is the slob vote. Not that you shouldn't work out. But no politician can go around in yoga pants in 2023 : (

    My favorite moment in the alt-right zeitgeist was when they put on their flyer they didn't want any fatties. And then a week later the video of their rally came out and they were (almost) all fatter than Dilbert and none of them had their uniform shirts tucked in. It was the memo where they were all to wear khaki pants and white polo shirts.

    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard and it got trashed before everybody saw it the feedback was so bad.

    Speaking of Dilbert did you ever hear the story about Scott Adams instagram model (brief) marriage?

    Replies: @sudden death

  678. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Agree that Boards of Canada made some extremely pleasant music. These guys are geniuses.

    Do you also like Global Communication ?

    https://youtu.be/jFx-Rx6PfCw

    Replies: @sudden death

    Haven’t heard about them before, this was nice relaxing track, just little too bit more synth oriented for my own personal taste, do have preference for more accentuated breaksy beats in mellow electronic tracks.

  679. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    In order to compensate for all this wokeness in a picture must also do balancing act and endorse all this sexy politico-fitnessing;)

    https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1629902158438055936

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    She didn’t get the memo that fitness as a political statement is a loser when your voter demographic is the slob vote. Not that you shouldn’t work out. But no politician can go around in yoga pants in 2023 : (

    My favorite moment in the alt-right zeitgeist was when they put on their flyer they didn’t want any fatties. And then a week later the video of their rally came out and they were (almost) all fatter than Dilbert and none of them had their uniform shirts tucked in. It was the memo where they were all to wear khaki pants and white polo shirts.

    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard and it got trashed before everybody saw it the feedback was so bad.

    Speaking of Dilbert did you ever hear the story about Scott Adams instagram model (brief) marriage?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard
     
    Absolutely great, didn't know this existed, lol

    https://lajolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/tulsi-gabbard-bikini.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  680. @Ivashka the fool
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Apokatastasis is compatible with Omega Point too.
     
    Yes, Origen did nothing wrong (except perhaps when he castrated himself).

    Think of the Creation as a Sohxlet apparatus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes, Origen did nothing wrong (except perhaps when he castrated himself).

    The castration was enemy disinformation. Origen was on the outs with the in crowd. He had the fatal flaws of (1.) less than total obedience and (2.) the sensible attitude that the pagans weren’t wrong about everything and they had a few great ideas worth stealing.

    Origen for sainthood! Why the hell not? They apologized for stealing gold teeth out of holocaust corpses for crying out loud.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  681. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    She didn't get the memo that fitness as a political statement is a loser when your voter demographic is the slob vote. Not that you shouldn't work out. But no politician can go around in yoga pants in 2023 : (

    My favorite moment in the alt-right zeitgeist was when they put on their flyer they didn't want any fatties. And then a week later the video of their rally came out and they were (almost) all fatter than Dilbert and none of them had their uniform shirts tucked in. It was the memo where they were all to wear khaki pants and white polo shirts.

    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard and it got trashed before everybody saw it the feedback was so bad.

    Speaking of Dilbert did you ever hear the story about Scott Adams instagram model (brief) marriage?

    Replies: @sudden death

    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard

    Absolutely great, didn’t know this existed, lol

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    I meant 2020.

    Need Singh's report on the feedback from his neighborhood.

  682. Phantom friendship with China – why you should rely only on yourself. Political scientist Nikolai Sevostyanov specially for the Voenkor Kotenok Z channel [Original Telegram post in Russian]

    Perhaps the main newsmaker in the second half of February was China. First they waited for Wang Yi’s visit to Moscow, then for the Chinese “peace plan”, carefully developed by Beijing, which was supposed to stun the world community with its genius. As a result, the “brilliant plan” was published and turned out to be a set of platitudes in the spirit of Leopold the cat. In any case, it was all theatre.

    While Chinese fans were trying to explain to others that this was in fact the most powerful declaration before the “red dragon jumped”, the Western media published a series of materials about Beijing’s readiness to supply Russia with weapons. In particular, an agreement has already been reached on the purchase of 100 drones.

    A number of publications followed, which also mentioned artillery systems and equipment for Russian military factories, and the latter allegedly could be supplied not in addition, but instead of these very howitzers and drones.

    In this regard, many domestic political scientists and military experts hastened to declare that such deliveries (if they become a reality) are China’s entry into the war on the side of Russia. China, they say, finally decided to choose a side.

    In reality, China picked a side a year ago, after the start of the SMO. And then he confirmed its position in the most difficult months for Russia, when at some point it seemed that we were losing. Then China’s help would have meant a lot, but he did not provide it. Only two states helped Russia with weapons – Iran and the DPRK. A low bow to the Iranian and North Korean people – we will not forget this.

    As for China, the only thing it has been doing over the past year is trying to bring down the price of the resources it buys as much as possible. We received no real help, military or economic, from it. Even diplomatic support looked dull and ambiguous.

    Now we see the activation of rumors that help will still be. In this regard, the main question should not be exactly what types of weapons and/or equipment Beijing will provide, but why it needed it. At the same time, the situation at the front is incomparable to that which we had at the beginning of autumn. The Russian Army is no longer retreating. Having built the defense, it is slowly but surely moving forward, grinding the Ukrainian units.

    In my opinion, everything is very simple here. The PRC is trying not to help Moscow “to crush” the Ukrainian Nazis, but only to “bargain” hypothetical Russian supplies within the framework of the “Taiwan case”. If there are deliveries, then Beijing will delay their start as much as possible in the hope of obtaining concessions from the States on the rebellious island. And if the deliveries eventually go, then on such an insignificant scale that at any moment it would be possible to play out this story in the context of the next US-Chinese negotiations.

    You should definitely not expect any “Chinese HIMARS and Leopards”. If they give it, then something outdated and not changing the balance of power. First, in order not to cross the “red lines” set by Washington. Secondly, so as not to be blown away when it turns out that advanced Chinese weapons (which no one has seen in action, including the Chinese themselves) are a myth, and thirdly, so as not to prevent Russia from continuing to wage a long, hard war of attrition.

    If the West openly declares war to the last Ukrainian, then China would very much like to fight to the last Russian. That’s just not helping the Russians yet. In the end, this is what a powerful Chinese Lobby in Russia exists for, to explain from year to year that China (frankly humiliated after Pelosi’s visit to Taipei) is a true ally of Russia, which will definitely help us. We just have to wait a little more…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don't have friends, they have interests”.

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William, @AP

  683. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    I'm sorry you feel you've been personally demonised, but the critical words directed at Orban and Modi by liberal newspapers are not the same thing. Your struggle is not their struggle and Putin murdering Ukrainians is not your vindication. Grow up.

    And please don't take this for a lack of sympathy. I know very well what it is like to be demonised and even horribly scapegoated. I am not dismissing that experience. I am just separating it out from some irrelevant geopolitical narrative.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised

    Where? I never said that. You are a weirdo with issues, throwing out nonsense that has nothing to do with what anyone says. You may as well yell at passing cars.

    Learn how to be coherent and address the topic. Otherwise we can’t take you seriously.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    What topic? Your pathetic, incoherent and often hysterical whining that some newspaper somewhere said mean words ahout your icons?

  684. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:

    1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.

    2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it'll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.

    3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don't encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I'll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.

    4. Ukraine isn't a fad. The principle that you don't annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @songbird

    AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player.

    Not sure the advantage will last 30 years, and the emergence of Chinese AI might predict that the technical gap would soon close, as it would be applied for that purpose.

    [MORE]

    AI is a can of worms. I think a lot is still unknown about its effects. US has lost any real national basis, so its not really necessarily a benefit to the people – might just be used for totalitarianism, or people may be discarded as unnecessary economic units.

    But, even if it is good, the gains from having it might be less than the security costs of a potential antagonist eventually copying it. Could easily be used to exploit the manifold weaknesses of the US, in a way that might be very hard to defend against.

    The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.

    US can’t be treated as a champion of virtue about this sort of thing. Biden, nominal US leader, was at one time, advocating breaking up Iraq to make it more manageable for the US. The democracy Iraq voted for the US military to leave, and they did not. (Perhaps, Russia would be happy with its own barracks in Ukraine?)

    But anyway the US does not recognize the right of sovereignty of any kind, let alone the only worthwhile kind at scale, national-ethnic sovereignty. Highly skeptical the idea that borders of democracies are inviolate from annexation is one that will help Europeans going forward, whatever the case may be in this instance, and especially not with the US weighing in on future conflicts.

    Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses.

    Preventing deaths would mean not materially supplying the conflict zone. You can’t throw weapons on a conflict and pretend you are preventing mortality. During the Second Boer War, the US administration was widely condemned for supplying horses and mules to the Brits, and those were only dumb animals.

  685. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    China is always testing US resolve to defend its interests, but I don't think that it's ready to trade in its superlative status as supplier of US TV's, appliances, computer chips, pharmaceuticals and even cars, for an opportunity to shoot itself in the foot like Russia has done. Perhaps, you've been reading too much of Pepi Escobar's blog lately? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    US has been leaping from one conflict to another. How will the chain end, when once you want to use it for your purposes? How do you think we will suddenly return to foundational values about not seeking conflicts abroad, when the national mythos has been effaced? That more restraint will be used in the future?

  686. @War Observer
    Phantom friendship with China – why you should rely only on yourself. Political scientist Nikolai Sevostyanov specially for the Voenkor Kotenok Z channel [Original Telegram post in Russian]

    Perhaps the main newsmaker in the second half of February was China. First they waited for Wang Yi’s visit to Moscow, then for the Chinese “peace plan”, carefully developed by Beijing, which was supposed to stun the world community with its genius. As a result, the “brilliant plan” was published and turned out to be a set of platitudes in the spirit of Leopold the cat. In any case, it was all theatre.

    While Chinese fans were trying to explain to others that this was in fact the most powerful declaration before the “red dragon jumped”, the Western media published a series of materials about Beijing’s readiness to supply Russia with weapons. In particular, an agreement has already been reached on the purchase of 100 drones.

    A number of publications followed, which also mentioned artillery systems and equipment for Russian military factories, and the latter allegedly could be supplied not in addition, but instead of these very howitzers and drones.

    In this regard, many domestic political scientists and military experts hastened to declare that such deliveries (if they become a reality) are China’s entry into the war on the side of Russia. China, they say, finally decided to choose a side.

    In reality, China picked a side a year ago, after the start of the SMO. And then he confirmed its position in the most difficult months for Russia, when at some point it seemed that we were losing. Then China’s help would have meant a lot, but he did not provide it. Only two states helped Russia with weapons – Iran and the DPRK. A low bow to the Iranian and North Korean people – we will not forget this.

    As for China, the only thing it has been doing over the past year is trying to bring down the price of the resources it buys as much as possible. We received no real help, military or economic, from it. Even diplomatic support looked dull and ambiguous.

    Now we see the activation of rumors that help will still be. In this regard, the main question should not be exactly what types of weapons and/or equipment Beijing will provide, but why it needed it. At the same time, the situation at the front is incomparable to that which we had at the beginning of autumn. The Russian Army is no longer retreating. Having built the defense, it is slowly but surely moving forward, grinding the Ukrainian units.

    In my opinion, everything is very simple here. The PRC is trying not to help Moscow “to crush” the Ukrainian Nazis, but only to “bargain” hypothetical Russian supplies within the framework of the “Taiwan case”. If there are deliveries, then Beijing will delay their start as much as possible in the hope of obtaining concessions from the States on the rebellious island. And if the deliveries eventually go, then on such an insignificant scale that at any moment it would be possible to play out this story in the context of the next US-Chinese negotiations.

    You should definitely not expect any “Chinese HIMARS and Leopards”. If they give it, then something outdated and not changing the balance of power. First, in order not to cross the “red lines” set by Washington. Secondly, so as not to be blown away when it turns out that advanced Chinese weapons (which no one has seen in action, including the Chinese themselves) are a myth, and thirdly, so as not to prevent Russia from continuing to wage a long, hard war of attrition.

    If the West openly declares war to the last Ukrainian, then China would very much like to fight to the last Russian. That’s just not helping the Russians yet. In the end, this is what a powerful Chinese Lobby in Russia exists for, to explain from year to year that China (frankly humiliated after Pelosi’s visit to Taipei) is a true ally of Russia, which will definitely help us. We just have to wait a little more…

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don’t have friends, they have interests”.

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Even partial victory of the imperial camp
     
    Aiming at some sort of unconditional surrender by Ukraine is also pretty extreme as a goal.
    And given Russian performance so far, what makes you think it's even achievable? The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project, there could well be massive escalation coming from the Western side, if there was a genuine danger of Ukraine totally losing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @LondonBob

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN


    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don’t have friends, they have interests”.
     
    So, hypothetically, if the only way for Russia to win the war was to ally with a country like Genocide Era Rwanda, would you be willing to work with them?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.
     
    Best Chinese case would be for Russia not to lose completely and be taken over by/join the West (this would be a disaster for China), but for Russia to be ground down so much that what is left of it becomes a dependent and weak Chinese puppet, forced to give up natural resources and technical knowledge very cheaply. In this case China doesn’t care if Russia fails to take Ukraine or even loses Crimea.

    So it benefits China for Russia not to lose, but to keep losing men and equipment for a long time. This actually benefits the USA too*, they maybe only differ in their goals for the very end.


    *Though a swift Ukrainian victory would also be good for the USA, enabling it to pivot swiftly to Taiwan. America only has good options in this war that Putin blundered into

  687. @LondonBob
    Turns out India isn't going to be able to flood every corner of the earth.



    https://twitter.com/philippilk/status/1630141916011479041?s=20

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @songbird

    Will still be the most populous country for 50 years, and they aren’t aging as rapidly as many others.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Childhood mortality rates are very high in India, more than Pakistan and on a par with Nigeria, life expectancy is also very low at 70. Interesting how poorly India performs, really comparable to Africa than elsewhere.

  688. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don't have friends, they have interests”.

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William, @AP

    Even partial victory of the imperial camp

    Aiming at some sort of unconditional surrender by Ukraine is also pretty extreme as a goal.
    And given Russian performance so far, what makes you think it’s even achievable? The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project, there could well be massive escalation coming from the Western side, if there was a genuine danger of Ukraine totally losing.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project
     
    Don’t be fooled by the propaganda for the sheeple, designed for those with the attention span of a guppy. The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext. Both aims only make sense while the beneficiaries are alive. Gods don’t take bribes.

    Replies: @German_reader, @War Observer

    , @A123
    @German_reader

    We know the U.S. will be sending less in the future. And, whatever is sent will be audited & monitored. America has no prestige or anything else on the line. The House humiliating the current illegitimate White house occupant would be a bonus.

     
    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27278.jpeg
     

    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    , @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    What escalation, NATO is already at their limits and still haven't achieved much except slowing the Russians?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  689. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...the same situation when Russia took Crimea and Donetsk city but a completely different situation when Russia tried to seize Kiev and took Kherson and much of Zaporizhia.
     
    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first and didn't even bother to negotiate, it simply issued an ultimatum. Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal. That's the reason Russia has gone beyond Donbas-Crimea.

    It is all about force now. The side that wins will dictate the borders and what language dominates where. My point is that the West lacks any principled stand and their preaching is just annoying. Let's agree that it will be decided by a modern day version of a duel - maybe the divine preferences will be revealed ...:)

    Replies: @AP

    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.

    That you lie easily and often is well known. Now after you have often whined about “if” you start engaging in it when it suits you, so you are also a hypocrite. But your hypocrisy is wrapped in a lie of course:

    “Serbia does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state and continues to claim it as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija”

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first

    NATO didn’t annex territories populated with one ethnic group to another ethnic group’s country first. Putin did that. And before Putin, in Europe it was Hitler and Stalin.

    When Putin took Crimea he was following NATO’s precedent but when he tried to take Kiev and took parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia he is following in the footsteps of Hitler and Stalin. He has “advanced.”

    Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal

    Sure, and Hitler tried to make an alliance with stubborn Poland for many years but got nothing more than an agreement not to attack. He had no choice, he was provoked there and in Czechoslovakia too. Speeches sound familiar:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    "If..."

    I see you are back to your autistic rants. Maybe the Ukie losses in manpower are getting to you.

    Serbia did de facto give up Kosovo, including the part populated by Serbs. Official "recognition" is for birds...there are around 200 territorial disputes (UN number) around the world where there is no mutual recognition. Spain doesn't recognize Gibraltar as part of UK...

    Your pathetic defense of the proto-fascist Polish state before 1939 is noted. Pitiful, Poland joined Hitler in Munich, Poland was called the 'hyena of Europe'... you seem to have a mixed relationship with Nazis and fascists.

    Replies: @AP

  690. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don't have friends, they have interests”.

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William, @AP

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don’t have friends, they have interests”.

    So, hypothetically, if the only way for Russia to win the war was to ally with a country like Genocide Era Rwanda, would you be willing to work with them?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    So, hypothetically, if the only way for Russia to win the war was to ally with a country like Genocide Era Rwanda
     
    Russia will win this war w/o allying with anyone, but that would take a year or two, because the RF is still trying not to destroy everything in Ukraine, as it will end up paying for the rebuilding. Both Russia and the US (including its hangers on) will end up weakened, which suits China just fine. So, your hypothesis is as realistic as the hypothesis that Earth gravity will stop working one day, or that the Sun will rise in the West.
  691. @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer

    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don't have friends, they have interests”.

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William, @AP

    Objectively, the only issue where Chinese interests coincide with those of the RF is not to let the empire and its hangers on win. Even partial victory of the imperial camp would be a catastrophe for the PRC, as well as for the RF and 5/6th of the world.

    Best Chinese case would be for Russia not to lose completely and be taken over by/join the West (this would be a disaster for China), but for Russia to be ground down so much that what is left of it becomes a dependent and weak Chinese puppet, forced to give up natural resources and technical knowledge very cheaply. In this case China doesn’t care if Russia fails to take Ukraine or even loses Crimea.

    So it benefits China for Russia not to lose, but to keep losing men and equipment for a long time. This actually benefits the USA too*, they maybe only differ in their goals for the very end.

    *Though a swift Ukrainian victory would also be good for the USA, enabling it to pivot swiftly to Taiwan. America only has good options in this war that Putin blundered into

  692. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Even partial victory of the imperial camp
     
    Aiming at some sort of unconditional surrender by Ukraine is also pretty extreme as a goal.
    And given Russian performance so far, what makes you think it's even achievable? The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project, there could well be massive escalation coming from the Western side, if there was a genuine danger of Ukraine totally losing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @LondonBob

    The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project

    Don’t be fooled by the propaganda for the sheeple, designed for those with the attention span of a guppy. The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext. Both aims only make sense while the beneficiaries are alive. Gods don’t take bribes.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.
     
    You can't really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones. At a minimum, punishing Russia for the invasion and preventing her from achieving the more extreme goals like annexation of the entire Black Sea coast or other major additional areas. At a maximum, restoring Ukraine in its 1991 borders and permanently destroying Russia as a great power (which of course would be a very risky thing to attempt).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @War Observer

    , @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN


    1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine;
    2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.
     
    Reminds me of Russia, after all Wagner CEO did make his name by laundering money for the St. Petersburg mob back in the 00s. One has to wonder how much money the Russian elites have laundered and embezzeled through this war? I'm guessing quite a lot. After all, what happened to all that money poured into the T-14 Armata program or the Su-57 program?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  693. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN


    This is a sober assessment. China acts in the interests of China, which is only natural. As Lord Palmerston rightly said in the nineteenth century, “countries don’t have friends, they have interests”.
     
    So, hypothetically, if the only way for Russia to win the war was to ally with a country like Genocide Era Rwanda, would you be willing to work with them?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    So, hypothetically, if the only way for Russia to win the war was to ally with a country like Genocide Era Rwanda

    Russia will win this war w/o allying with anyone, but that would take a year or two, because the RF is still trying not to destroy everything in Ukraine, as it will end up paying for the rebuilding. Both Russia and the US (including its hangers on) will end up weakened, which suits China just fine. So, your hypothesis is as realistic as the hypothesis that Earth gravity will stop working one day, or that the Sun will rise in the West.

  694. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn’t this what the “Great Bifurcation” is about?
     
    Anatoly seems believing that it might be positive for Russia somehow. But he is also a transhumanist who broadly agrees with the WEF agenda. He will end up embracing Globalism, probably already did. That's what mostly happens to the techno-fetishists.

    There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.
     
    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.

    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways. Think of USSR and Nazi Germany, but with a 1939 - 1940 "friendship" period that has lasted for 2 generations.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the "New (fake and gay) Cold War".

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over. And in two - three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.

    QCIC is probably being right about the Fermi Paradox explanation. Most sentient beings do not reach technology stage, among those who do, most self-destroy through their inability to balance technology and ethics. As a species we lack sound ethics and metaphysics. The more we assend on technological ability scale and the more dangerous the eventual downfall is. This will most probably be our demise. Shafarevich was right, these two roads (the Golem and the Machine) lead to the same cliff.

    And then, one might just hope than in a hundred million years, our distant descendants would do better than we did.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the “New (fake and gay) Cold War”.

    Slavs may still be too numerous, and in the main only receiving immigration from familiar neighbouring peoples, so they get taken up in intense internal divisions. The majority of northern Germanic Europeans still seem too affluent for some serious alternative options to emerge just yet. Maybe France and Italy are feeling it enough already for something to come from there, but it is hard to say.

    The potential seems to be there in political and religious/spiritual thought, if the motivation and resources needed to develop it arise.

  695. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project
     
    Don’t be fooled by the propaganda for the sheeple, designed for those with the attention span of a guppy. The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext. Both aims only make sense while the beneficiaries are alive. Gods don’t take bribes.

    Replies: @German_reader, @War Observer

    The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.

    You can’t really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones. At a minimum, punishing Russia for the invasion and preventing her from achieving the more extreme goals like annexation of the entire Black Sea coast or other major additional areas. At a maximum, restoring Ukraine in its 1991 borders and permanently destroying Russia as a great power (which of course would be a very risky thing to attempt).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    Geopolitical goals are means to an end: anything that helps the fat cats rob others (including the citizens of the US and its vassals) is the US geopolitical goal. Of course, stealing massive Russian or Chinese resources is high on the list. Money talks, propaganda (which costs only a small fraction of that money) masks ugly facts with fig leaves, making sure that the sheeple don’t see forest for the trees. That’s what venal libtard political clowns call “rules-based order”.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @War Observer
    @German_reader


    You can’t really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones.
     
    Wrong Westoid, your government is fleecing you, protest to demand they stop sending inferior weapons in negligible quantities which are mostly destroyed en route by the Mighty Russian Air Force and in any case sold on the black market by corrupt Ukrainians. This is prolonging the war!

    In other news, the Russians have lost more men in a year than they had between 1946 and 2021. Rusorez will continue until Shoigu has embezzled enough money for a new yacht.

    https://i.ibb.co/x2pn8wh/230227-Jones-Table1.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

  696. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised
     
    Where? I never said that. You are a weirdo with issues, throwing out nonsense that has nothing to do with what anyone says. You may as well yell at passing cars.

    Learn how to be coherent and address the topic. Otherwise we can't take you seriously.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What topic? Your pathetic, incoherent and often hysterical whining that some newspaper somewhere said mean words ahout your icons?

  697. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.
     
    You can't really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones. At a minimum, punishing Russia for the invasion and preventing her from achieving the more extreme goals like annexation of the entire Black Sea coast or other major additional areas. At a maximum, restoring Ukraine in its 1991 borders and permanently destroying Russia as a great power (which of course would be a very risky thing to attempt).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @War Observer

    Geopolitical goals are means to an end: anything that helps the fat cats rob others (including the citizens of the US and its vassals) is the US geopolitical goal. Of course, stealing massive Russian or Chinese resources is high on the list. Money talks, propaganda (which costs only a small fraction of that money) masks ugly facts with fig leaves, making sure that the sheeple don’t see forest for the trees. That’s what venal libtard political clowns call “rules-based order”.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Question for AnonfromTN: There is a hypothesis floating around that Jewish interest in recovering lost lands in the Pale of Settlement is a non-trivial factor behind the conflict.

    In the past you have made it clear that you don't agree with these sort of 'blame the Jews for everything' theories.

    How would you rank the significance of a "New Pale" aspect to the conflict? Would you give it a disgusted 0.0% or is there some aspect to the complex history of the region as well as the high visibility Jewish players which would make it more credible?

    This is a touchy and possibly annoying topic, but your knowledge of Ukraine makes you a natural person to query.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

  698. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Even partial victory of the imperial camp
     
    Aiming at some sort of unconditional surrender by Ukraine is also pretty extreme as a goal.
    And given Russian performance so far, what makes you think it's even achievable? The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project, there could well be massive escalation coming from the Western side, if there was a genuine danger of Ukraine totally losing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @LondonBob

    We know the U.S. will be sending less in the future. And, whatever is sent will be audited & monitored. America has no prestige or anything else on the line. The House humiliating the current illegitimate White house occupant would be a bonus.

     

     

    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?
    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.
     
    Did you read the explanation below the graph? It states that the data do not include weapons and equipment.

    Replies: @A123

    , @German_reader
    @A123


    America has no prestige or anything else on the line.
     
    You should get a medal for being the commenter with the most consistently idiotic takes on the war in Ukraine (though there's close competition by that Laxa person).
    Stick to discussing SF shows and formula 1 racing.

    Replies: @A123

  699. @A123
    @German_reader

    We know the U.S. will be sending less in the future. And, whatever is sent will be audited & monitored. America has no prestige or anything else on the line. The House humiliating the current illegitimate White house occupant would be a bonus.

     
    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27278.jpeg
     

    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?
    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.

    Did you read the explanation below the graph? It states that the data do not include weapons and equipment.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you read the top of the graph. It states military aid, which is money used primarily to buy war material and pay soldiers. More the former than the later.

    Do you really think that France and Germany foot the bill, tens of billions of Euros, to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    PEACE 😇

  700. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    Geopolitical goals are means to an end: anything that helps the fat cats rob others (including the citizens of the US and its vassals) is the US geopolitical goal. Of course, stealing massive Russian or Chinese resources is high on the list. Money talks, propaganda (which costs only a small fraction of that money) masks ugly facts with fig leaves, making sure that the sheeple don’t see forest for the trees. That’s what venal libtard political clowns call “rules-based order”.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Question for AnonfromTN: There is a hypothesis floating around that Jewish interest in recovering lost lands in the Pale of Settlement is a non-trivial factor behind the conflict.

    In the past you have made it clear that you don’t agree with these sort of ‘blame the Jews for everything’ theories.

    How would you rank the significance of a “New Pale” aspect to the conflict? Would you give it a disgusted 0.0% or is there some aspect to the complex history of the region as well as the high visibility Jewish players which would make it more credible?

    This is a touchy and possibly annoying topic, but your knowledge of Ukraine makes you a natural person to query.

    Thanks.

    • LOL: AP
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    Disclaimer: I did not live in anything that used to be Ukraine since September 1980, only visited my parents in Lugansk many times, my grandparents nearby several times, my aunt and cousin in Lvov once, and my cousin in Kiev once. So, my long-term first-hand experience only covers a few years near Lvov and ~13 years in Lugansk before 1980.

    My impressions are that most Ukraine residents (Ukrainians and Russians alike) are about as anti-Semitic as German Nazis. Used to be non-murderous, but now they are. Although they kill people of all nationalities, including Ukrainians, indiscriminately. In my view, that’s because post-coup regime has no agency, just follows orders of is puppeteers, who don’t give a hoot about any aborigines.

    Post-coup governments tried to suck up to the US and Israel by promoting select Jews. They tended to back the wrong horse, though: e.g., Kolomoisky is certainly a Jew (non-observant), but he is a thief and a crook first and foremost. Besides, he does not speak Ukrainian. Out of all riches of Russian he prefers non-school-appropriate expletives. In my view, any Jews that want to create new Israel in Ukraine must be dumber than bricks.

    So, as far as “New Pale” hypothesis goes, my answer is the same as Kepler’s when he was asked about God in his model of Solar System: “I did not need that hypothesis”. The events lend themselves to other interpretations much better. E.g., “New Pale” idea does not explain very stupid bloody aggression of the regime against Donbass that started in 2014. On the other hand, US thieves (including, but not limited to, Jews) were frustrated when Putin put a stop to their looting of Russian resources. Naturally, they want a regime in Russia that would let them keep looting. Therefore, they are creating whatever battering rams they can against current RF. Baltic microstates were enlisted in the crusade, Chechnya and Georgia were tried before Ukraine.

    As to the role of Jews overall, I share prevailing Russian attitude. In Russian there two words for Jews: “еврей” (“evrey”) is neutral, whereas “жид” (“zhid”) is a slur, like kike. However, in Russian “жид” invariably implies someone unnaturally greedy. There is Russian saying “Not all Jews are “жиды” (plural of “жид”), not all “жиды” are Jews” (“не все евреи жиды, и не все жиды евреи” in Russian).

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    , @QCIC
    @QCIC

    AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?

    I don't expect you to accept any of the premises of my original question, but it would be interesting to read your comments on the more general topic of the relationship of Jewish people to the conflict.

    As I have mentioned in the past, reading the comments of "Slava Ukraine" commenters such as yourself and the different views of more Russia-centric commenters such as Anon (I don't have a better neutral term) is very helpful to outsiders such as myself.

    Replies: @AP

  701. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    Even partial victory of the imperial camp
     
    Aiming at some sort of unconditional surrender by Ukraine is also pretty extreme as a goal.
    And given Russian performance so far, what makes you think it's even achievable? The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project, there could well be massive escalation coming from the Western side, if there was a genuine danger of Ukraine totally losing.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @LondonBob

    What escalation, NATO is already at their limits and still haven’t achieved much except slowing the Russians?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    Russia is fighting NATO and losing even though NATO hasn't yet turned up.

  702. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique's hold on power so they don't get arrested (others).

    Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin's bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.

    But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.

    In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.

    And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia's bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP's hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.

    1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn't realise how strong the reaction would be hasn't thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China's. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?

    And it wouldn't just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.

    In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?

    You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people's donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.

    2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China's support would just see a larger escalation against their support.

    3. The American military is superior to China's in every way. Russia can't take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.

    4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he'd cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can't admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn't a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don't annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you're not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We're not in the Middle Ages, we're not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that's not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That's that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    China has a limited amount of time as a country with investment capital. It got old before it got rich and the workforce is now collapsing as never before in world history. China needs to invest.

    In 2013 China was beginning huge investments in agriculture, especially pigfarming in Ukraine, principally Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia. It was also planning two ports in Crimea. Money had changed hands. Putin’s assault by proxy on the Donbas and Crimea broke those plans. Now they are destoyed beyuond recovery.

    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia’s response has been modest. Uzbekistand has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China’s options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.

    Russia is frustrating China’s urgent interests. Xi was almost certainly not informed about the war until the last minute if that. The one person in the world (Kim apart) more actively monarchical and surrounded by Yes men than Putin is Xi. Putin will not have pleased Xi.

    China wants the war to end so that it can have a comfortable retirement. Hence the peace plan. It is not going to break its own sanctions over military equipment to Russia. It is going to, perhaps, supply a small quantity of dual use drones in an effort to exert some diplomatic pressure on Ukraine.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Philip Owen

    China's trade with the rest of the world has surged.



    https://twitter.com/davidpgoldman/status/1627454141638246400?s=20

    , @LatW
    @Philip Owen


    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia’s response has been modest. Uzbekistan has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China’s options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.
     
    Arestovych with a few of his friends has been exploring the idea of the so called "Yugorossia" lately. (Yugo meaning South). This is all obviously very hypothetical (to put it mildly), but the idea is that Ukraine, in the case of victory, would somehow gain influence over its neighboring eastern areas (Krasnodar krai, Volgograd, Rostov, etc) and then help create an East-West transportation corridor there (as well as some kind of a geopolitical buffer that several players might be interested in). It's not clear how this would be achieved, probably what they mean is they would somehow be able to control some of the infrastructure there. From what I understood from Arestovych's words, he was making it sound as if Ukraine would do this on her own, without involving the Anglo "partners" which might sound a bit naive. Or alternately, with partial involvement of Anglos and Turkey but not their full control.

    If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, I would consider such talk tactless (even if some Russians have spoken with similar callousness about Ukraine & Baltics, treating us as mere "territory" to be exploited) and, if I were Russian, it would drive me up the wall just hearing it spelled out like that, but for China it might be interesting. And it might also signal the kind of a rising perception of the instability and fluidity of borders in the South of Russia that was exacerbated by this invasion.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  703. @songbird
    @LondonBob

    Will still be the most populous country for 50 years, and they aren't aging as rapidly as many others.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Childhood mortality rates are very high in India, more than Pakistan and on a par with Nigeria, life expectancy is also very low at 70. Interesting how poorly India performs, really comparable to Africa than elsewhere.

  704. @A123
    @QCIC


    These are fair questions but they don’t seem to significantly undermine the validity of the explosive attack scenario.
     
    • What valid attack scenario has a spread of 50 miles when the geography could have been easily more compact?

    • What valid attack scenario has a 17 hour time frame when it could have been shorter, ideally simultaneous?

    Refusing to answer these question is a 100% terminal death blow to the validity of poorly constructed, implausible attack conspiracies.

    If you believe these questions are not an issue -- Please explain why an attack chose this timing & geography, rather than better and more straightforward options.


    Are you saying the pipeline controls were manipulated to intentionally cause destruction which looks identical to an industrial accident?
     
    No. The KGB is sneaky and good, but not that hyper efficient.

    I am saying that the pipeline controls for all 4 tubes were given similar settings based on a Moscow order to recover saleable gas. Rubles Rule... Somebody made a seemingly sound commercial decision. How many fck up stories start, "It seemed like a good idea at the time. Then..."?

    Likely 100+ hours into the unloading sequence the first hydrate plug released creating a blow out. Odds are good the operators tried to reverse the action and started switching around to repressurize the lines. However, it would have taken another 100+ hours, possibly more, to get that done. Before the attempted save had a chance to rebalance the system, the other plugs went.

    That one of the newest pieces of NS2 equipment survived the operational event is consistent with the industrial accidents. Old and poorly maintained equipment is statistically much more vulnerable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

    Putin pushed over and over again to deliver gas via NS2. I prefer the commercial interpretation of that desire. However, I can see that it may also have been technically driven. There was even a “technical failure” of the compressors for NS1 during the discussion.

  705. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?
    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.
     
    Did you read the explanation below the graph? It states that the data do not include weapons and equipment.

    Replies: @A123

    Did you read the top of the graph. It states military aid, which is money used primarily to buy war material and pay soldiers. More the former than the later.

    Do you really think that France and Germany foot the bill, tens of billions of Euros, to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    PEACE 😇

  706. @AP
    @Beckow


    Cookie crumbles in an unpredictable way. Kiev refused to accept the loss of Crimea-Donbas, the war escalated and the goals got bigger. If Serbia had not given up Kosovo, there was a threat of an all-out attack by Nato and taking other regions, Vojvodina in the north with Magyar minority and the areas adjoining Kosovo.
     
    That you lie easily and often is well known. Now after you have often whined about “if” you start engaging in it when it suits you, so you are also a hypocrite. But your hypocrisy is wrapped in a lie of course:

    “Serbia does not recognize Kosovo as an independent state and continues to claim it as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija”

    The crucial point is that Nato did it first
     
    NATO didn’t annex territories populated with one ethnic group to another ethnic group’s country first. Putin did that. And before Putin, in Europe it was Hitler and Stalin.

    When Putin took Crimea he was following NATO’s precedent but when he tried to take Kiev and took parts of Kherson and Zaporizhia he is following in the footsteps of Hitler and Stalin. He has “advanced.”

    Russia tried for 8 years to negotiate an imperfect but reasonable Minsk deal
     
    Sure, and Hitler tried to make an alliance with stubborn Poland for many years but got nothing more than an agreement not to attack. He had no choice, he was provoked there and in Czechoslovakia too. Speeches sound familiar:



    https://twitter.com/tendar/status/1629499726230958081?s=46&t=GfSatYwivkLyNxVuYjW3lA

    Replies: @Beckow

    “If…”

    I see you are back to your autistic rants. Maybe the Ukie losses in manpower are getting to you.

    Serbia did de facto give up Kosovo, including the part populated by Serbs. Official “recognition” is for birds…there are around 200 territorial disputes (UN number) around the world where there is no mutual recognition. Spain doesn’t recognize Gibraltar as part of UK…

    Your pathetic defense of the proto-fascist Polish state before 1939 is noted. Pitiful, Poland joined Hitler in Munich, Poland was called the ‘hyena of Europe’… you seem to have a mixed relationship with Nazis and fascists.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    When you are caught lying or in hypocrisy you like to use the word “autistic.”

    Meanwhile you ignored the video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims and those of Putin whose boots you are so desperate to lick and whose arguments you repeat.

    Serbia de facto gave up Kosovo as Ukraine de facto gave up Crimea.

    Replies: @Beckow

  707. @Philip Owen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    China has a limited amount of time as a country with investment capital. It got old before it got rich and the workforce is now collapsing as never before in world history. China needs to invest.

    In 2013 China was beginning huge investments in agriculture, especially pigfarming in Ukraine, principally Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia. It was also planning two ports in Crimea. Money had changed hands. Putin's assault by proxy on the Donbas and Crimea broke those plans. Now they are destoyed beyuond recovery.

    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia's response has been modest. Uzbekistand has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China's options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.

    Russia is frustrating China's urgent interests. Xi was almost certainly not informed about the war until the last minute if that. The one person in the world (Kim apart) more actively monarchical and surrounded by Yes men than Putin is Xi. Putin will not have pleased Xi.

    China wants the war to end so that it can have a comfortable retirement. Hence the peace plan. It is not going to break its own sanctions over military equipment to Russia. It is going to, perhaps, supply a small quantity of dual use drones in an effort to exert some diplomatic pressure on Ukraine.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @LatW

    China’s trade with the rest of the world has surged.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  708. @A123
    @German_reader

    We know the U.S. will be sending less in the future. And, whatever is sent will be audited & monitored. America has no prestige or anything else on the line. The House humiliating the current illegitimate White house occupant would be a bonus.

     
    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27278.jpeg
     

    Will France and Germany foot the bill to make up for U.S. funding reductions?

    If not, Ukraine will run out of war material.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    America has no prestige or anything else on the line.

    You should get a medal for being the commenter with the most consistently idiotic takes on the war in Ukraine (though there’s close competition by that Laxa person).
    Stick to discussing SF shows and formula 1 racing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    America does not like this guy, and he does not represent us.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkzaUfAxe1I

    You come across as 100% oblivious to reality. Why do you find it so difficult to grasp that pushing out this unelected lobotomite and his druggie son is a win for Americans?
    _____

    How are you doing with your precious Scholz and his Traffic Light coalition?

    He who lives in a glass house...

    PEACE 😇

  709. @German_reader
    @A123


    America has no prestige or anything else on the line.
     
    You should get a medal for being the commenter with the most consistently idiotic takes on the war in Ukraine (though there's close competition by that Laxa person).
    Stick to discussing SF shows and formula 1 racing.

    Replies: @A123

    America does not like this guy, and he does not represent us.

    You come across as 100% oblivious to reality. Why do you find it so difficult to grasp that pushing out this unelected lobotomite and his druggie son is a win for Americans?
    _____

    How are you doing with your precious Scholz and his Traffic Light coalition?

    He who lives in a glass house…

    PEACE 😇

  710. @Beckow
    @AP

    "If..."

    I see you are back to your autistic rants. Maybe the Ukie losses in manpower are getting to you.

    Serbia did de facto give up Kosovo, including the part populated by Serbs. Official "recognition" is for birds...there are around 200 territorial disputes (UN number) around the world where there is no mutual recognition. Spain doesn't recognize Gibraltar as part of UK...

    Your pathetic defense of the proto-fascist Polish state before 1939 is noted. Pitiful, Poland joined Hitler in Munich, Poland was called the 'hyena of Europe'... you seem to have a mixed relationship with Nazis and fascists.

    Replies: @AP

    When you are caught lying or in hypocrisy you like to use the word “autistic.”

    Meanwhile you ignored the video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims and those of Putin whose boots you are so desperate to lick and whose arguments you repeat.

    Serbia de facto gave up Kosovo as Ukraine de facto gave up Crimea.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ....video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims
     
    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler. That's simply in the language, in the situation. Look up Tony Blair's speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo, or his French and German colleagues.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn't give up Donbas - that's where the war is. You again in a deceptive way by lying cherry-pick half the story. Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  711. Bukele seems like he might be amendable to my idea to create a new country called Tattooine.

    [MORE]

  712. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Question for AnonfromTN: There is a hypothesis floating around that Jewish interest in recovering lost lands in the Pale of Settlement is a non-trivial factor behind the conflict.

    In the past you have made it clear that you don't agree with these sort of 'blame the Jews for everything' theories.

    How would you rank the significance of a "New Pale" aspect to the conflict? Would you give it a disgusted 0.0% or is there some aspect to the complex history of the region as well as the high visibility Jewish players which would make it more credible?

    This is a touchy and possibly annoying topic, but your knowledge of Ukraine makes you a natural person to query.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    Disclaimer: I did not live in anything that used to be Ukraine since September 1980, only visited my parents in Lugansk many times, my grandparents nearby several times, my aunt and cousin in Lvov once, and my cousin in Kiev once. So, my long-term first-hand experience only covers a few years near Lvov and ~13 years in Lugansk before 1980.

    My impressions are that most Ukraine residents (Ukrainians and Russians alike) are about as anti-Semitic as German Nazis. Used to be non-murderous, but now they are. Although they kill people of all nationalities, including Ukrainians, indiscriminately. In my view, that’s because post-coup regime has no agency, just follows orders of is puppeteers, who don’t give a hoot about any aborigines.

    Post-coup governments tried to suck up to the US and Israel by promoting select Jews. They tended to back the wrong horse, though: e.g., Kolomoisky is certainly a Jew (non-observant), but he is a thief and a crook first and foremost. Besides, he does not speak Ukrainian. Out of all riches of Russian he prefers non-school-appropriate expletives. In my view, any Jews that want to create new Israel in Ukraine must be dumber than bricks.

    So, as far as “New Pale” hypothesis goes, my answer is the same as Kepler’s when he was asked about God in his model of Solar System: “I did not need that hypothesis”. The events lend themselves to other interpretations much better. E.g., “New Pale” idea does not explain very stupid bloody aggression of the regime against Donbass that started in 2014. On the other hand, US thieves (including, but not limited to, Jews) were frustrated when Putin put a stop to their looting of Russian resources. Naturally, they want a regime in Russia that would let them keep looting. Therefore, they are creating whatever battering rams they can against current RF. Baltic microstates were enlisted in the crusade, Chechnya and Georgia were tried before Ukraine.

    As to the role of Jews overall, I share prevailing Russian attitude. In Russian there two words for Jews: “еврей” (“evrey”) is neutral, whereas “жид” (“zhid”) is a slur, like kike. However, in Russian “жид” invariably implies someone unnaturally greedy. There is Russian saying “Not all Jews are “жиды” (plural of “жид”), not all “жиды” are Jews” (“не все евреи жиды, и не все жиды евреи” in Russian).

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thank you for this detailed reply.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN

    “жиды” are Jews”

    https://youtu.be/UCopWgESliU

    Replies: @QCIC

  713. @Anon 2
    The first anniversary of the invasion calls for some sort of re-assessment.

    A country of 145 million should have defeated a country of 35 million in
    a matter of months if not weeks. So what happened?

    Clearly, the Russians, unlike the Germanics - the Rottweilers of the white
    race - are not a martial race. This could be regarded as a compliment, except
    that Russians, like Germans, are afflicted with bloated egos and delusions
    of grandeur. We love the Italians partly because, except for the Mafia, they are
    so disorganized they pose no real danger to anyone. It now appears that
    the Russians are too lazy (after all, Russia is a country of lazy rednecks
    /vatniks/), too disorganized, and too corrupt to conduct operations in a way
    that would be studied in military textbooks for centuries to come. Russian
    philosophy of life seems to be, “Russia has infinite mineral wealth, so why
    work hard?”

    Russians are always complaining about being attacked by foreigners
    (Napoleon, Hitler, etc), but it doesn’t seem to occur to them that obscenely
    large countries have very long borders, and very long borders are very
    diificult to defend. Life is about optimization, not maximization, and,
    as Leopold Kohr said, “Size is the root of all evil.” It will be the task of
    the XXII century to break up obscenely large countries like Russia, China,
    India, the U.S., etc for they pose unacceptable danger to world peace.

    On a deeper level, why are Eastern Slavs so singularly unlucky among the
    Europeans? If the world is a school, why has it been necessary for the Eastern
    Slavs to suffer starvation, being crushed by falling buildings, and having bodies
    shredded or vaporized in order to learn spiritual lessons? True, humanity is
    still very primitive. We’ve made a bit of progress since the days of the Roman
    Empire, but not as much as we think. As Iain McGilchrist points out in his
    masterpiece “The Master and His Emissary” (2009), the major tragedy of
    Modernity has been the hegemony of the left brain hemisphere. True, this
    hideous imbalance gave us science and technology but the West has paid a
    terrible price in the form of extreme materialism, militarism, and reductionism.
    We’re having extreme difficulty rising above the level of weapon-making
    predatory primates, and right now due to our stupidity we’re causing the
    biggest Extinction Event in 66 million years. The Earth would truly be
    better off without us.

    Going back to the hapless Eastern Slavs, even heavenly beings seem to
    avoid them. There is not a single Eastern Orthodox country one can
    admire, and while Virgin Mary made famous appearances in Lourdes
    (France), Fatima (Portugal), and Medjugorje (Catholic Bosnia), with the
    latter still continuing, and Jesus Christ made over 80 appearances before
    St. Faustyna of Poland, all Catholics, why is it that Virgin Mary (or other
    heavenly beings) never appeared before a group of Russian or Ukrainian
    children, and never blessed them with miracles and grace?

    Replies: @Mikel

    why is it that Virgin Mary (or other heavenly beings) never appeared before a group of Russian or Ukrainian children, and never blessed them with miracles and grace?

    Interesting observation. But note that Eastern Slavs are not the only victims of the Virgin Mary’s indifference. There are no records of Her appearances in Pakistan either. Or in Oman, Zimbabwe, Laos,… I don’t think that even the Swedes ever got Her visit. But She did show up in Mexico and Chile. It’s almost as if the Virgin Mary only made apparitions in countries where people believe in… the Virgin Mary and her apparitions.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Mikel

    Yes, Virgin Mary has shown a definite preference for Catholics,
    which some people might see as empirical evidence in favor of the
    claim that Catholicism is closer to the truth than Eastern Orthodoxy
    or Protestantism. Note that the apparitions of Virgin Mary in
    Medjugorje are still continuing on a regular basis. Anyone can go there,
    and see for himself. One reporter tried to interview the woman visionary
    who was one of the children when the visions bgan in 1981, and became
    literally spellbound. The supernatural radiance coming from her was
    so powerful he was unable to speak for quite some time.

    As to Russia, we could ask the question, “Would Russia have invaded
    Ukraine if it was roughly the same size as Ukraine.” Most likely not - so
    we can see how Russia has become corrupted by the obscene size of
    its territory, showing how greedy the Russians have become. Russia is
    one of the most anti-Christian countries in the world. Jesus said,
    “Love thy neighbor.” There is no evidence he ever said, “Invade thy
    neighbor.” Realistically, we know that both Russia and Ukraine
    are very corrupt, that both had a high murder rate before the invasion
    (and now it’s astronomical), and both have a short life expectancy.
    So both are really failed states. But in a war between a v. large country
    and a medium country, the former is more to blame simply because
    it has more options, whereas the smaller country is fighting for its basic
    survival. However, to Russia’s credit, the Russian troops don’t seem
    very enthusiastic about killing Ukrainians. Nevertheless, they are still
    doing a lot of killing and raping.

    Replies: @Mikel

  714. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @LondonBob
    @German_reader

    What escalation, NATO is already at their limits and still haven't achieved much except slowing the Russians?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Russia is fighting NATO and losing even though NATO hasn’t yet turned up.

  715. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    Another interesting 2019 study on Iberian genetics I found yesterday, it shows no RM269 in Iberia until it is already present in Germany, towards the middle of the Beaker complex period (and this is only a single sample). Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

    Some commentary on the above study with clarification about the 'two Beaker cultures':

    https://adnaera.com/2019/03/15/the-genomic-history-of-the-iberian-peninsula-over-the-past-8000-years-olalde-et-al-2019/

    I can see there are competing theories about where RM269 originated, but evidence like this is likely why options other than an Iberian/NA origin are being argued for. It may not be clear where it came from.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Mostly RM269 seems to have arrived later in Iberia than Central and Western Europe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

    Thanks. That’s the study that motivated Sailer’s post a couple of years ago.

    I haven’t had the time to read it all yet (or the second link with a discussion of those results that you posted) but things are finally falling into place in my mind. A good example of AK’s blog’s usefulness as a source of information on multiple topics.

    Perhaps a good summary of the discussion we had in the previous thread could be this:

    – Both R1a and R1b have Paleolithic origins in the Eurasian steppes.
    – R1b came to Western Europe from that area, finally becoming predominant, while R1a rather expanded to Asia and Eastern Europe.
    – The Bell Beaker cultural phenomenon involved very limited genetic transfer from South to North.
    – However, R1b Beaker invaders with strong Steppe ancestry arrived in big numbers to the British Islands and replaced the pre-existing Y haplogroups.
    – Some centuries later a similar phenomenon (perhaps no longer associated with the Beaker culture, already present in Iberia) happened in the Iberian peninsula and people with strong Steppe ancestry -but not coming directly from the Steppe- equally made R1b predominant in Iberia, replacing almost all pre-existent male lineages.

    So Ivashka was right that timing is very important. It would be wrong to say that the Steppe people one day set in motion and swept Western Europe to its latest confines. It was a much more complex and long-lasting phenomenon but some details of Ivashka’s Beaker expansion narrative are not supported by the latest research.

  716. This dog should not have been sterilized but rather bred.

    [MORE]

    Eventually, we could have a breed of such dogs navigating cities on their own, sniffing out poz, hipsterism, and other crimes, and mauling or arresting the guilty parties, all at a fraction of the cost it would require to hire a policeman.

  717. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    As the Russian saying goes, Коловрат were wildly known in restricted circles (широко известны в узких кругах). Skins have always been a fringe culture everywhere. Коловрат were not the only ones to sing РОА songs though.

    https://youtu.be/O21IJQe3vBo

    This song above is literally a reworked POA marching anthem from a 1943 collection of songs composed by the Russian Liberation Army soldiers and officers themselves.



    Starting from around 1994 and up to early 2000 Skins were quite numerous in Moscow and Piter. I always wondered whether they have been tolerated for a while to discredit Russian nationalism.

    Most Russians would have been much more inclined towards the РНЕ type of nationalism than to the type promoted by Tesak ans his friends from БОРН. The fact that the violence of Skins was untargeted and often random, that its victims were not drug dealers, pimps and ethnic diaspora mafias, and even much less the oligarchs, but mostly foreign students and working class migrants and even their children, made for bad optics.

    Also, the open promotion of Nazi paraphernalia in a country where everyone had someone killed during WW2 didn't help. Finally, while РНЕ evolved from local traditions and had a Panslavic and even an Indo-European character, the Skinhead gangs were White Supremacist and often self-identified only with Western European WN. The movement against illegal immigration, ДПНИ was probably also an FSB project and its leader, Alexander Potkin (Belov) who probably had some Jewish ancestry, got discredited when he was filmed with a hooker, while Dima Demushkin who organized Russian Marches with Potkin was sentenced to a prison term.

    OTOH, at the same time, Konstantin Krylov started becoming more widely known and did all he could to foster a more political and intellectual Russian nationalism. I personally will always admire this man, he was an incredibly intelligent individual and a rather kind person. He was not an extremist, a freak or a wannabe Arian Hero, he was a deep thinker and a truly dedicated political activist.

    So the Skinheads went to prison or just grew out of ultraviolence and extremism, the original Slav / Indo-European nationalists, in the Yemelyanov tradition, went Neopagan or in the case of Barkashov ultra-Orthodox, while people who read Krylov and Galkovsky went to start Sputnik & Pogrom and do their best to normalize nationalist ideology and make it acceptable in the RusFed.

    I personally hope to see democratic nationalism becoming mainstream in Russia. People such as Roman Yuneman, Dmitriev and their friends would probably benefit Russian people a lot, although I might be wrong. One thing I am certain of, if Russia survives and rebuilds itself, there would be one day a monument erected in Moscow to the memory of Konstantin Krylov.

    https://www.apn.ru/index.php?newsid=42548

    Sorry for the long rant.

    Replies: @S

    Starting from around 1994 and up to early 2000 Skins were quite numerous in Moscow and Piter. I always wondered whether they have been tolerated for a while to discredit Russian nationalism.

    Yes, and I think it’s probably the same situation with the skinheads everywhere, ie to discredit the idea of peoplehood or identity, including in US and UK, and Western Europe.

    Also, the open promotion of Nazi paraphernalia in a country where everyone had someone killed during WW2 didn’t help.

    Also the same in US and UK, sans the numbers of battlefield dead, where almost everyone had a family member who fought in WWII, often against N S Germany.

    The sick NS fetish thing is a veritable poison pill to anyone wishing to make any headway, and if there weren’t already some people like that, they would for sure be promoted by hostile actors, as no doubt at least some (many?) are.

    [MORE]

    The most egregious example of that type of thing, due to context, was an account I read of two Polish members of one of their nationalist organizations who thought it would be the funniest thing to make a video of themselves wearing German WWII era Stahlhelm helmets. Of course, the video quickly ‘went viral’.

    For that transgression, before being unceremoniously expelled, those two were probably well deserving of a videotaped prolonged public beating by members of their own organization, ideally this video also having gone viral.

    I personally hope to see democratic nationalism becoming mainstream in Russia.

    Sounds good, if it’s what I think it is.

    In the case of the United States, most people were plenty content with a republic, albeit a republic that was not economically slavery based, it making no difference whether this slavery be chattel or wage, the latter being the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, nor empire seeking.

    Slavery and empire are both poisonous to peoplehood and republics.

  718. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    Disclaimer: I did not live in anything that used to be Ukraine since September 1980, only visited my parents in Lugansk many times, my grandparents nearby several times, my aunt and cousin in Lvov once, and my cousin in Kiev once. So, my long-term first-hand experience only covers a few years near Lvov and ~13 years in Lugansk before 1980.

    My impressions are that most Ukraine residents (Ukrainians and Russians alike) are about as anti-Semitic as German Nazis. Used to be non-murderous, but now they are. Although they kill people of all nationalities, including Ukrainians, indiscriminately. In my view, that’s because post-coup regime has no agency, just follows orders of is puppeteers, who don’t give a hoot about any aborigines.

    Post-coup governments tried to suck up to the US and Israel by promoting select Jews. They tended to back the wrong horse, though: e.g., Kolomoisky is certainly a Jew (non-observant), but he is a thief and a crook first and foremost. Besides, he does not speak Ukrainian. Out of all riches of Russian he prefers non-school-appropriate expletives. In my view, any Jews that want to create new Israel in Ukraine must be dumber than bricks.

    So, as far as “New Pale” hypothesis goes, my answer is the same as Kepler’s when he was asked about God in his model of Solar System: “I did not need that hypothesis”. The events lend themselves to other interpretations much better. E.g., “New Pale” idea does not explain very stupid bloody aggression of the regime against Donbass that started in 2014. On the other hand, US thieves (including, but not limited to, Jews) were frustrated when Putin put a stop to their looting of Russian resources. Naturally, they want a regime in Russia that would let them keep looting. Therefore, they are creating whatever battering rams they can against current RF. Baltic microstates were enlisted in the crusade, Chechnya and Georgia were tried before Ukraine.

    As to the role of Jews overall, I share prevailing Russian attitude. In Russian there two words for Jews: “еврей” (“evrey”) is neutral, whereas “жид” (“zhid”) is a slur, like kike. However, in Russian “жид” invariably implies someone unnaturally greedy. There is Russian saying “Not all Jews are “жиды” (plural of “жид”), not all “жиды” are Jews” (“не все евреи жиды, и не все жиды евреи” in Russian).

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    Thank you for this detailed reply.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Yeah that's a great comment.

    The thing is the method seems to be that of Robespierre. You won't know you have gone far enough until you clearly have gone too far. Lucky for us there do not exist sufficient Jews in the world to import a Holocaust 2.0 supply.

  719. @Another Polish Perspective
    @LatW


    “How can I ride to the celestial wedding with an unsaddled steed?
    The Sun gave me a golden saddle and the Moon gave a silver bridle;
    Now I can ride freely in the midst of the Sons of God.
    The roots of the trees grow crosswise, crosswise the stars arrange in the sky;
    The Sons of God ride crosswise on their steeds.”
     
    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God.... How old is this text actually?
    "Crosswise" is something new to me, however - and yet it sounds like an allusion to swastika or "X".
    It certainly evokes the following fragment of Kohelet, and suggests the song's text is rather new (real pagans did not read Bible):

    Ecclesiastes 7:13

    Consider the work of true God: for who can make that straight, which he hath made crooked?

    I hope you know where that leads...? Something about fallen angels ("the Sons of God"),hm. Aren't you bothered by that...?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Oh, again, a woman together with the Sons of God. But it is NEVER a man among the Daughters of God…. How old is this text actually?

    The theme of the celestial wedding is ancient (usually between the Sons of Dievs (God) and the Daughters of Saule (Sun), or sometimes other deities such as the young and beautiful Aušra, Dawn).

    And, no, it’s most likely not a woman, the daina is written in first person, so hypothetically it can be either gender, however, the mention of the Moon strongly suggests that it’s a man, quite possibly a soldier, since the Moon is the guardian of soldiers. (In Baltic mythology, the Sun is feminine, and the Moon is masculine, in the opposite of the English language). I have always automatically thought of this daina and similar war and Moon related dainas as described from the perspective of a man. Most likely it is a description of some passage ritual, maybe his death. It describes the celestial wedding as some kind of an end goal of it or the end of journey.

    [MORE]

    Here is the poem in full:

    Oh fog, oh dew, those did me no good,
    My feet got wet in the dew, my steed vanished in the fog.

    (this suggests the moment of crisis, maybe his death, maybe some kind of hardship, a horse is also a symbol of a journey, of passage).

    The fog subsides, the dew subsides,
    I find my steed,
    I find my steed by the door of the hall of the Moon

    (the door might be the symbol for the possible transition and the arrival to the realm where the celestial wedding will take place).

    The Moon is taking the Daughter of the Sun,
    He is inviting me to the wedding.
    How am I going to ride to the wedding
    With an unsaddled steed?

    (maybe he lost the saddle in the previous life and now has completely nothing).

    The Sun gave a golden saddle,
    The Moon gave a silver bridle,
    Now I can ride confidently
    In the midst of the Sons of Dievs.

    (he is now properly adorned, he is given those symbols of the Sun and the Moon).

    Croswise the roots of the trees grow,
    Crosswise the stars in the sky.
    The Sons of
    Dievs ride sideways (or on the sides),
    The steed gallops crosswise.

    (Cosmos is organized).

  720. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    You provide an adequate summation of how and why the Black Hundreds were opposed to Jewish militants, but to state that the"Black Hundreds did nothing wrong." is going a bit too far. Their actions against Ukrainians and their cultural expression, within Ukraine, was reprehensible and could serve as a blueprint for the type of Great Russian chauvinism that I've grown to despise and that seems to thrive within Putler's thought process and his invasion of Ukraine today. :-(


    The Black Hundreds classified Ukrainians as Russians,[14] and attracted the support of many "Moscowphiles" who considered themselves Russian and rejected Ukrainian nationalism and identity.[15] The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.[16] In Odessa, the Black Hundreds shut down the local branch of the Ukrainian Prosvita society, an organization that was dedicated to spreading literacy in the Ukrainian language and Ukrainian cultural awareness.[15]

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?

    STOP insulting Ukraine you disrespectful butch dyke. Everybody knows Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history. There are 2 types of Ukrainianism – a circus act, and the severe psychiatric illness.

    Taras Shevchenko, the filthy smelling, alcoholic, not even top 300 Russian world+ Soviet writers……was one of the finest exponents of the circus act Ukrainianism

    Anyway SO WHAT about Kobzar you idiot?There is NOTHING in that or his other works calling for separation from Russia. His inferiority complex based on his low social status and general dickheadness is what drives his insults to the central authority and NOT any idea of separate peoples or the end of Russian empire. He would be on Mirotvorets list and probably arrested in Banderastan now for the beliefs he had then you retard.

    Shevchenko HATED Uniate freaks, and did not view them as the same people, the same ethnicity

    Shevchenko NEVER called himself “Ukrainian”, never considered that he wrote in “Ukrainian”, he was always a Russian or Malorossiyan ( a subset of Russian) who wrote his poems in Malorossiyan or south Russian dialect.

    Absolutely zero doubt that he considered Galicia and Volynia and Bukovina etc as SEPARATE lands with separate people to him – the complete opposite of his view of Malorossiya to Velikorossiya. He never considered there to be some functional land called “Ukraine”, always used “na” ( forget about Mirotvorets – its bullet in the head for him in modern Banderastan, just for that alone, LOL)

    He wrote his diary in RUSSIAN (lmao) you retarded idiot…….so the language he thought, spoke, and wrote in of this “Ukrainian” “hero”……was Russian. All his stories in Russian – because Ukronazi “language” is a fake

    To make this freakshow even worse, his modern popularity in 404 is entirely because of………the Soviets who overhailed, promoted and taught Shevchenko and tried to make him some part of ukronazi “national consciousness”. Some Austrian and Polish scum financed some marginal, single-digit freak ukrop “intelligentsia” in late 19th century to praise him……..but he was almost completely unknown in lands of 404 until Soviets got to work .

    So there is nothing “Ukrainian nationalist” about him – but here is my main point, he was entirely of the Russian world, created of the Russian world – just like everything in “ukraine” – next to NOTHING comes from the Austrian/Polish side. As Putin said in his masterful essay on unity of Russian and Ukrainians……..”ukrainian” culture only developed when united with Russia.

    It’s a complete nonsensical contradiction and failure without Russia…..just look at Gogol, West “Ukrainian” diaspora faggots like you are too coward to call him “Hohol”, but the greatest Malorossiyan , one of the greatest Russian writers, main character of probably his greatest work ,Taras Bulba, is clearly stated as a PATRIOT OF RUSSIA, fighting for Russia!!!! Modern Ukrainian ideology is just prostitution to Polish scum…….which is amusing because Taras Bulba is harder to obtain book of in Poland – than Mein Kempf is to get in Israel!!! and the book is completely against “state security and sovereignity of Ukraine” in the fkedup idiot world of ukronazism, without severe edits to the book.

    Imagine being so pathetic and having nothing positive to show, that Shevchenko has to be used as a symbol of your fake “national identity”, when he has nothing to do with it??!!! Or Kobzar is viewed as important just because it has some anti-Russianisms in it ( the only ideology of 404) and nothing about “Ukraine” in it

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history.
     
    Can’t agree. There is Ukrainian language, plus a few dialects of it in Western Ukraine, some more Polonized, others more Germanized. Several works of literature (e.g., Kotliarevsky, Nechuy-Levytsky, Franko, to name a few) were written in mainstream (Poltava) Ukrainian. Ukrainian culture is dwarfed by Russian culture, but it looks mighty compared to Latvian or Lithuanian culture, as well as many similar pygmies.

    Shevchenko is an easy target: alcoholic, third-rate poet and even lesser writer, glorifier of Haydamaks, whose claim to fame is mass murder of Poles and Jews. But only people woefully ignorant of Ukrainian literature and its history can see that pathetic person as a towering figure.

    Ukrainian is a nationality, even though current regime is busily making it a psychiatric diagnosis. This regime, along with its idiotic claims, will end up in the dustbin of history, as it amply deserves. Ukrainian language and literature will remain. Ukrainian history is quite short, even compared to relatively short (about twelve centuries) Russian history, but it exists.

    I can only agree that all significant Ukrainian achievements were within Russia, as catastrophic decline after 1991 shows. Ukraine withered like a branch cut off from the roots. But we have to remember that 32 years are a very short period even compared to Ukrainian history. Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his "Kobzar", but unfortunately he didn't care to pursue the topic any further?.....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Gerard1234

  721. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Question for AnonfromTN: There is a hypothesis floating around that Jewish interest in recovering lost lands in the Pale of Settlement is a non-trivial factor behind the conflict.

    In the past you have made it clear that you don't agree with these sort of 'blame the Jews for everything' theories.

    How would you rank the significance of a "New Pale" aspect to the conflict? Would you give it a disgusted 0.0% or is there some aspect to the complex history of the region as well as the high visibility Jewish players which would make it more credible?

    This is a touchy and possibly annoying topic, but your knowledge of Ukraine makes you a natural person to query.

    Thanks.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?

    I don’t expect you to accept any of the premises of my original question, but it would be interesting to read your comments on the more general topic of the relationship of Jewish people to the conflict.

    As I have mentioned in the past, reading the comments of “Slava Ukraine” commenters such as yourself and the different views of more Russia-centric commenters such as Anon (I don’t have a better neutral term) is very helpful to outsiders such as myself.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    [theory that Jews want to take over Ukraine] AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?
     
    This idea was floated around in Polish nationalist circles before the Holocaust and before the creation of Israel. At the time, it was very implausible, but not completely impossible - perhaps 5% realistic. Back then, Jews were about 10% of Poland's population. If millions of Jews had moved to Poland instead of to Israel they might have become 20% or 30% of Poland's population.

    With such numbers, Europeans completely controlled South Africa and reduced the Africans to a status of semi-slavery, or serfdom. Of course, Poles are not Zulus and Bushmen and Jews are not Afrikaners. Basically a zero chance of that happening in Poland. But there was probably a 5% chance of a much lighter version of that (that is, a Poland dominated by Jews as America was historically dominated by WASPS and appears to be dominated by WASPS/Jews/Brahmins).

    AnoninTN to his credit provided a disclaimer. I would add to that, he stated that he left Lviv at the age of 4 or 5 and visited once. He knows almost nothing about that city and almost nothing about Ukraine in general, other than Donbas. He wrote the nonsense that Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine are as antisemitic as German Nazis (!!). The same population that 70% voted for a Jewish president.

    As for Ukrainian antisemtisim:

    Ukrainians are very un-PC and will make jokes and comments about Jews that would make Westerners blush. Ukrainians will openly say that Jews control much of the world economy, that Jewish women are very unattractive, etc.. In Lviv there is a Jewish-themed restaurant where customers can put on Hasid costumes for fun (including wigs with the peyses) and bargain for the price of the meal. In traditional Ukrainian Christmas performances, there is usually a Jewish character dressed as the stereotype. The Ukrainian word for Jew, Zhyd (identical to the Polish word) is a slur in the Russian language. So when Ukrainian nationalists insist on using the Ukrainian word for Jew rather than the Russian word (Evrei, or Hebrew) they are accused of antisemitism.

    But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.

    Here is a pew poll about whether people were unwilling to accept Jews as citizens. Ukrainians were the least antisemitic people in Eastern Europe, basically tied with Serbs and Bulgarians:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FT_18.03.26_polandHolocaustLaws_map.png

    This figure is about the same for Catholics in Ukraine (4%) as it is for Orthodox (5%), so it is a lie that Galicians are more antisemitic than other Ukrainians:

    https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/05/08150550/PF.05.10.2017_CE.europe-08-01.png

    An interesting nuance is that Galicians do not accept marriage with Jews. 48% are opposed to Jews in their family, second highest among Eastern Europe's Catholics and higher than all non-Caucasian and non-Balkan Orthodox. Non-Galician Ukrainians, in contrast, are much more open to marriage with Jews than are Russians. Only 29% of Orthodox Ukrainians oppose having Jews in their family, versus 37% of Orthodox Russians.

    As for takin over Ukraine - Ukraine had around 35 million people before the invasion. Only .2% of those were Jewish. There were more ethnic Poles in Ukraine than Jews. So the idea of Ukraine becoming a new Jewish homeland is very silly.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

  722. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    But this is what Toly wanted. Isn’t this what the “Great Bifurcation” is about?
     
    Anatoly seems believing that it might be positive for Russia somehow. But he is also a transhumanist who broadly agrees with the WEF agenda. He will end up embracing Globalism, probably already did. That's what mostly happens to the techno-fetishists.

    There need to be two Roman turtles, one in the Intermarium and one in Russia.
     
    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.

    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways. Think of USSR and Nazi Germany, but with a 1939 - 1940 "friendship" period that has lasted for 2 generations.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves. Instead, we get distracted by the masters of the Global dialectics with Covid, the 666 genders, the race-baiting, the imbecile and impotent politics, on top of the "New (fake and gay) Cold War".

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over. And in two - three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.

    QCIC is probably being right about the Fermi Paradox explanation. Most sentient beings do not reach technology stage, among those who do, most self-destroy through their inability to balance technology and ethics. As a species we lack sound ethics and metaphysics. The more we assend on technological ability scale and the more dangerous the eventual downfall is. This will most probably be our demise. Shafarevich was right, these two roads (the Golem and the Machine) lead to the same cliff.

    And then, one might just hope than in a hundred million years, our distant descendants would do better than we did.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LatW

    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.

    Well, if we are in such a vulnerable state to be pitched against each other so easily, then we should be more careful, I suggest the Russian side contemplate this, too. They seem to look at this issue as if “the Americans are pitching Ukrainians against us”, when in fact there is a lot in the Russian behavior and language that is alienating.

    They will not be able to pitch Ukrainians against other Eastern Europeans now, not as easily, we are blending together, the Russians are the only ones outside now. I only wonder if there is going to be a hard wall (as in during the Cold War) that will sever Russia from us or not.

    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways.

    Of course, they are connected, and the Chinese money now flows everywhere, recently the port of Hamburg was bought by the Chinese (thankfully, only partially), there has been talk about the Chinese purchasing US land (I can’t believe the US even allowed that). My preference would be to tread carefully with China and not confront them openly unnecessarily, but there are definitely issues with freedom there. We need Russia as a buffer there, we don’t want the buffer to shrink so fast. You see now how foolish this “operation” was.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves.

    While what you suggest would be ideal, similarity is not enough, there has to be harmony. Because people can also organize based on ideology or other interests. It’s not like in the old days where one was limited to their space.

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over.

    I don’t know, that seems awfully fast, just 25 years? Although things move much faster now than before. You are correct that things are accelerating, the madness accelerated right during and shortly after Covid (in the US at least with the whole “Floyd” affair after which all the ads all of a sudden changed to black hair, etc). There must have been some kind of an internal impulse there that Covid triggered. Society is looking for guidelines, these guidelines are no longer stable as in a more traditional society.

    And in two – three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.

    Two, three generations seems short. Come on, it’s the people who are born today and their children. You mean that there will be an artificially created bottleneck or that humanity will start feeling the pinch of limited resources? Do not worry – our people are likely to get through the bottleneck, even if not in full (which will be sad) as they are numerous and they inhabit the best lands. We will still control a large part of those lands. We simply need to be more assertive. Most important is to secure water and arable land. That said, 2-3 generations is not a lot in my book. Our people should survive much longer, way more generations to come. But at that point it becomes unpredictable.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Yes I am writing about an artificial population bottleneck. Depopulation is the most important part of the Globalist agenda. The War in Ukraine is part of this process. My guess is that Poland and the Baltic States will be dragged into this war, probably outside of the NATO framework. And attack against Belarus might be the trigger. The kind of attack that happened yesterday.

    https://mediazona.by/article/2023/02/27/sabotage/

    If someone would want to cause a greater havoc in Eastern Europe, that would be the right way doing it.

    Replies: @LatW

  723. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?
     
    STOP insulting Ukraine you disrespectful butch dyke. Everybody knows Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history. There are 2 types of Ukrainianism - a circus act, and the severe psychiatric illness.

    Taras Shevchenko, the filthy smelling, alcoholic, not even top 300 Russian world+ Soviet writers......was one of the finest exponents of the circus act Ukrainianism

    Anyway SO WHAT about Kobzar you idiot?There is NOTHING in that or his other works calling for separation from Russia. His inferiority complex based on his low social status and general dickheadness is what drives his insults to the central authority and NOT any idea of separate peoples or the end of Russian empire. He would be on Mirotvorets list and probably arrested in Banderastan now for the beliefs he had then you retard.

    Shevchenko HATED Uniate freaks, and did not view them as the same people, the same ethnicity

    Shevchenko NEVER called himself "Ukrainian", never considered that he wrote in "Ukrainian", he was always a Russian or Malorossiyan ( a subset of Russian) who wrote his poems in Malorossiyan or south Russian dialect.

    Absolutely zero doubt that he considered Galicia and Volynia and Bukovina etc as SEPARATE lands with separate people to him - the complete opposite of his view of Malorossiya to Velikorossiya. He never considered there to be some functional land called "Ukraine", always used "na" ( forget about Mirotvorets - its bullet in the head for him in modern Banderastan, just for that alone, LOL)

    He wrote his diary in RUSSIAN (lmao) you retarded idiot.......so the language he thought, spoke, and wrote in of this "Ukrainian" "hero"......was Russian. All his stories in Russian - because Ukronazi "language" is a fake

    To make this freakshow even worse, his modern popularity in 404 is entirely because of.........the Soviets who overhailed, promoted and taught Shevchenko and tried to make him some part of ukronazi "national consciousness". Some Austrian and Polish scum financed some marginal, single-digit freak ukrop "intelligentsia" in late 19th century to praise him........but he was almost completely unknown in lands of 404 until Soviets got to work .


    So there is nothing "Ukrainian nationalist" about him - but here is my main point, he was entirely of the Russian world, created of the Russian world - just like everything in "ukraine" - next to NOTHING comes from the Austrian/Polish side. As Putin said in his masterful essay on unity of Russian and Ukrainians........"ukrainian" culture only developed when united with Russia.

    It's a complete nonsensical contradiction and failure without Russia.....just look at Gogol, West "Ukrainian" diaspora faggots like you are too coward to call him "Hohol", but the greatest Malorossiyan , one of the greatest Russian writers, main character of probably his greatest work ,Taras Bulba, is clearly stated as a PATRIOT OF RUSSIA, fighting for Russia!!!! Modern Ukrainian ideology is just prostitution to Polish scum.......which is amusing because Taras Bulba is harder to obtain book of in Poland - than Mein Kempf is to get in Israel!!! and the book is completely against "state security and sovereignity of Ukraine" in the fkedup idiot world of ukronazism, without severe edits to the book.

    Imagine being so pathetic and having nothing positive to show, that Shevchenko has to be used as a symbol of your fake "national identity", when he has nothing to do with it??!!! Or Kobzar is viewed as important just because it has some anti-Russianisms in it ( the only ideology of 404) and nothing about "Ukraine" in it

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history.

    Can’t agree. There is Ukrainian language, plus a few dialects of it in Western Ukraine, some more Polonized, others more Germanized. Several works of literature (e.g., Kotliarevsky, Nechuy-Levytsky, Franko, to name a few) were written in mainstream (Poltava) Ukrainian. Ukrainian culture is dwarfed by Russian culture, but it looks mighty compared to Latvian or Lithuanian culture, as well as many similar pygmies.

    Shevchenko is an easy target: alcoholic, third-rate poet and even lesser writer, glorifier of Haydamaks, whose claim to fame is mass murder of Poles and Jews. But only people woefully ignorant of Ukrainian literature and its history can see that pathetic person as a towering figure.

    Ukrainian is a nationality, even though current regime is busily making it a psychiatric diagnosis. This regime, along with its idiotic claims, will end up in the dustbin of history, as it amply deserves. Ukrainian language and literature will remain. Ukrainian history is quite short, even compared to relatively short (about twelve centuries) Russian history, but it exists.

    I can only agree that all significant Ukrainian achievements were within Russia, as catastrophic decline after 1991 shows. Ukraine withered like a branch cut off from the roots. But we have to remember that 32 years are a very short period even compared to Ukrainian history. Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia
     
    .

    Thinking about moving back anytime soon, Professor? Your friends that you left behind are still wondering about the same things that you wondered about 30 years ago, before you left and came to live in the US:

    Normalcy and Russia? An oxymoron that has no parallel. Only Geraldina1234 is left behind holding the bag, trying to figure out how to evade the next call-up...

    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2019-06/1561686511_-2093.jpg

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Your view, which I respect of course, appears a mixture of Skoropadsky and Putin's views on the situation.

    Skoropadsky - that we are different peoples with different culture BUT that Ukraine culture and state can only develop from being closely aligned with Russia, that Galicians are separate or too different from malorossiyans, that Galician idiotic, psychopathic and inferiority complex model for Ukrainian people would be a disaster, that Galician "elites" are backwards freaks who would sell the country to foreign control. There is a lot there that is proven prophetic.

    Putin - that Ukrainian culture only developed from union with Russia, that we are still the same people...... but nothing to suggest he views Galicians as different from other Ukrainians.

  724. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Of course we know how delighted Professor Tennessee would be with the Black Hundreds hatred of Shevchenko and his writings, but what about old Gramps who kept a copy of Kobzar near his bedside, Ivashka?
     
    STOP insulting Ukraine you disrespectful butch dyke. Everybody knows Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history. There are 2 types of Ukrainianism - a circus act, and the severe psychiatric illness.

    Taras Shevchenko, the filthy smelling, alcoholic, not even top 300 Russian world+ Soviet writers......was one of the finest exponents of the circus act Ukrainianism

    Anyway SO WHAT about Kobzar you idiot?There is NOTHING in that or his other works calling for separation from Russia. His inferiority complex based on his low social status and general dickheadness is what drives his insults to the central authority and NOT any idea of separate peoples or the end of Russian empire. He would be on Mirotvorets list and probably arrested in Banderastan now for the beliefs he had then you retard.

    Shevchenko HATED Uniate freaks, and did not view them as the same people, the same ethnicity

    Shevchenko NEVER called himself "Ukrainian", never considered that he wrote in "Ukrainian", he was always a Russian or Malorossiyan ( a subset of Russian) who wrote his poems in Malorossiyan or south Russian dialect.

    Absolutely zero doubt that he considered Galicia and Volynia and Bukovina etc as SEPARATE lands with separate people to him - the complete opposite of his view of Malorossiya to Velikorossiya. He never considered there to be some functional land called "Ukraine", always used "na" ( forget about Mirotvorets - its bullet in the head for him in modern Banderastan, just for that alone, LOL)

    He wrote his diary in RUSSIAN (lmao) you retarded idiot.......so the language he thought, spoke, and wrote in of this "Ukrainian" "hero"......was Russian. All his stories in Russian - because Ukronazi "language" is a fake

    To make this freakshow even worse, his modern popularity in 404 is entirely because of.........the Soviets who overhailed, promoted and taught Shevchenko and tried to make him some part of ukronazi "national consciousness". Some Austrian and Polish scum financed some marginal, single-digit freak ukrop "intelligentsia" in late 19th century to praise him........but he was almost completely unknown in lands of 404 until Soviets got to work .


    So there is nothing "Ukrainian nationalist" about him - but here is my main point, he was entirely of the Russian world, created of the Russian world - just like everything in "ukraine" - next to NOTHING comes from the Austrian/Polish side. As Putin said in his masterful essay on unity of Russian and Ukrainians........"ukrainian" culture only developed when united with Russia.

    It's a complete nonsensical contradiction and failure without Russia.....just look at Gogol, West "Ukrainian" diaspora faggots like you are too coward to call him "Hohol", but the greatest Malorossiyan , one of the greatest Russian writers, main character of probably his greatest work ,Taras Bulba, is clearly stated as a PATRIOT OF RUSSIA, fighting for Russia!!!! Modern Ukrainian ideology is just prostitution to Polish scum.......which is amusing because Taras Bulba is harder to obtain book of in Poland - than Mein Kempf is to get in Israel!!! and the book is completely against "state security and sovereignity of Ukraine" in the fkedup idiot world of ukronazism, without severe edits to the book.

    Imagine being so pathetic and having nothing positive to show, that Shevchenko has to be used as a symbol of your fake "national identity", when he has nothing to do with it??!!! Or Kobzar is viewed as important just because it has some anti-Russianisms in it ( the only ideology of 404) and nothing about "Ukraine" in it

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his “Kobzar”, but unfortunately he didn’t care to pursue the topic any further?…..

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    My grandfather considered Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians as three regional variations of the same people. For him they were all brothers. He died in 1996. I am glad he didn't witness what followed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his “Kobzar”, but unfortunately he didn’t care to pursue the topic any further?…..
     
    That's just your 5 centuries of Galician inbreeding caused, way of admitting "Gerard you are 100% correct in all the statements you have said about Shevchenko and the lunacy of ukronazis making him their national hero"

    Say it directly in comment to me you butch dyke, Hack.

    Also, please can you think and reconsider the OBNOXIOUS way you conduct yourself on here. Show some tolerance, respect, some refinement you stupid faggot.

    And I am serious - you must refer to Gogol from now on as Hohol........just to emphasise the fakeness and degeneracy of attempts by scum diaspora to in many cases necessary and insidiously change the anglo-version of Russian-world names
  725. @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    Green Ukraine – a territory in the southern part of the Far East.

    Based on various estimates, Ukrainians constituted a third to a half of the population in the Far East. In some areas, they even accounted for 60–80% of the population.

    “This is a big Malorossiya village. The main and oldest street is Mykolska. Along the entire street, on both sides, white huts are lined up, occasionally still covered with straw... people from the Great Russian counties are barely noticeable among those from Poltava, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Volyn, and other Ukrainians – they vanish among the primary Malorossiya element... People sport Ukrainian clothes. You can hear the joyful, populous, and lively Malorossiya speech everywhere” correspondent Ivan Illich-Svitych wrote, describing the city of Ussuriysk in 1905.


    From June 1917 to January 1918, the Provisional Far Eastern Ukrainian National Committee, which was the main executive body of the Ukrainian Far Eastern Republic, was located here in Ussuriysk. Ukrainians also tried to form their state in the Far East.

    Throughout its existence, the state-building movement in Green Ukraine focused on unification with the Ukrainian People's Republic. The Second All-Ukraine Congress of the Far East, held in Khabarovsk in January 1918, appealed to the government of the Ukrainian People's Republic, demanding that the Orc government recognize Green Ukraine as part of the Ukrainian state.

    “Of course, the conditions were hardly auspicious – civil war between the Red and the White armies was already underway in the Far East. Both of them were very negative, even hostile, towards Ukrainians – not only towards their aspiration for independence, but even towards their cultural needs, But as soon as the 1930s, the Far East turned into a “desert of Ukrainian culture,”

    Replies: @songbird

    Proof that China’s relationship with dogs has changed:

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  726. More good news for Palestine: (1)

    Republican Rep. Chip Roy of Texas and Republican Sen. James Risch of Idaho that would pause funding for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) until steps are implemented to ensure that funds are not used to promote antisemitism or potential terrorism.

    The bill, titled “The United Nations Relief and Works Agency Accountability and Transparency Act,” would “stop the flow of U.S. taxpayer dollars to this body with a rampant history of anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda and activity,” according to a press release from Roy and Risch. Jewish groups have voiced support for the bill, arguing that the UNRWA is in dire need of accountability.

    In 2018, former President Donald Trump suspended all U.S. funding to the organization due to it being “irredeemably flawed,” and unable to provide evidence that it was not in any way supporting terrorism, according to CNN. President Joe Biden resumed funding in May 2021 but a Hamas tunnel was found under a UNRWA school in the West Bank just a month later, leading some to question whether the funding is being used for terrorism, according to the Times of Israel.

    Dov Hikind, founder of Americans Against Antisemitism, told the DCNF that the proposed legislation was “wonderful” but criticized the President and the Democrats for renewing funding.

    “When this money is being misused and being used to support terrorist organizations, it’s not a secret, everyone knows what is going on, but let’s close our eyes and pretend,” Hikind said. “That’s what’s being done, especially by the Biden administration now.”

    The UN having to be Accountable and Transparent… The corrupt bureaucrats probably urinated on themselves just reading that.

    SJW Islam is a core constituency of the DNC, so this is likely to be blocked by the Senate as a freestanding bill. However, the House can insert this language defunding violence into other legislation.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/26/jewish-advocacy-groups-overdue-bill-accountability-us-funding-terrorism/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda and activity
     
    I don’t know enough about UNRWA to judge. However, I want to point out that anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    Replies: @A123

  727. @A123
    More good news for Palestine: (1)

    Republican Rep. Chip Roy of Texas and Republican Sen. James Risch of Idaho that would pause funding for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) until steps are implemented to ensure that funds are not used to promote antisemitism or potential terrorism.

    The bill, titled “The United Nations Relief and Works Agency Accountability and Transparency Act,” would “stop the flow of U.S. taxpayer dollars to this body with a rampant history of anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda and activity,” according to a press release from Roy and Risch. Jewish groups have voiced support for the bill, arguing that the UNRWA is in dire need of accountability.

     

    In 2018, former President Donald Trump suspended all U.S. funding to the organization due to it being “irredeemably flawed,” and unable to provide evidence that it was not in any way supporting terrorism, according to CNN. President Joe Biden resumed funding in May 2021 but a Hamas tunnel was found under a UNRWA school in the West Bank just a month later, leading some to question whether the funding is being used for terrorism, according to the Times of Israel.

    Dov Hikind, founder of Americans Against Antisemitism, told the DCNF that the proposed legislation was “wonderful” but criticized the President and the Democrats for renewing funding.

    “When this money is being misused and being used to support terrorist organizations, it’s not a secret, everyone knows what is going on, but let’s close our eyes and pretend,” Hikind said. “That’s what’s being done, especially by the Biden administration now.”
     
    The UN having to be Accountable and Transparent... The corrupt bureaucrats probably urinated on themselves just reading that.

    SJW Islam is a core constituency of the DNC, so this is likely to be blocked by the Senate as a freestanding bill. However, the House can insert this language defunding violence into other legislation.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2023/02/26/jewish-advocacy-groups-overdue-bill-accountability-us-funding-terrorism/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda and activity

    I don’t know enough about UNRWA to judge. However, I want to point out that anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    It is not a close call... UNRWA funds & collaborates with terrorists targeting indigenous Palestinian Jews. It willingly allows its property to be weaponized. (1)


    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in UNRWA schools. The board found, in the case of the UNRWA Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School, referring to the discovery of weapons there on 22 July 2014, that “it was highly likely that a Palestinian armed group might have used the premises to hide weapons.”

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad fired rockets from UNRWA schools. In the Jabalia school listed above, the board found that “it was highly likely that an unidentified Palestinian armed group could have used the school premises to launch attacks on or around 14 July.” Similarly, concerning weaponry stored at the UNRWA Nuseirat Preparatory Co- educational “B” School, the UN inquiry found that “the premises could have been used for an unknown period of time by members of a Palestinian armed group” — and that “it was likely that such a group may have fired the mortar from within the premises of the school.”
     
    Facilitating the use of children as human shields is despicable. UNRWA was formed in 1949 to help refugees. 70+ years later it is clear that they have 100% failed.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thetower.org/1955-un-report-confirms-hamas-stored-and-fired-weapons-from-un-schools/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  728. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history.
     
    Can’t agree. There is Ukrainian language, plus a few dialects of it in Western Ukraine, some more Polonized, others more Germanized. Several works of literature (e.g., Kotliarevsky, Nechuy-Levytsky, Franko, to name a few) were written in mainstream (Poltava) Ukrainian. Ukrainian culture is dwarfed by Russian culture, but it looks mighty compared to Latvian or Lithuanian culture, as well as many similar pygmies.

    Shevchenko is an easy target: alcoholic, third-rate poet and even lesser writer, glorifier of Haydamaks, whose claim to fame is mass murder of Poles and Jews. But only people woefully ignorant of Ukrainian literature and its history can see that pathetic person as a towering figure.

    Ukrainian is a nationality, even though current regime is busily making it a psychiatric diagnosis. This regime, along with its idiotic claims, will end up in the dustbin of history, as it amply deserves. Ukrainian language and literature will remain. Ukrainian history is quite short, even compared to relatively short (about twelve centuries) Russian history, but it exists.

    I can only agree that all significant Ukrainian achievements were within Russia, as catastrophic decline after 1991 shows. Ukraine withered like a branch cut off from the roots. But we have to remember that 32 years are a very short period even compared to Ukrainian history. Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia

    .

    Thinking about moving back anytime soon, Professor? Your friends that you left behind are still wondering about the same things that you wondered about 30 years ago, before you left and came to live in the US:

    Normalcy and Russia? An oxymoron that has no parallel. Only Geraldina1234 is left behind holding the bag, trying to figure out how to evade the next call-up…

  729. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his "Kobzar", but unfortunately he didn't care to pursue the topic any further?.....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Gerard1234

    My grandfather considered Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians as three regional variations of the same people. For him they were all brothers. He died in 1996. I am glad he didn’t witness what followed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Your grandfather sounds like he was an enlightened individual, not some sort of ultra boorish imperial louse. I can't see him paying homage to the Black Hundreds movement, like you've done. :-( At the very least, he'd probably hide his copy of Shevchenko's Kobzar under his bed away from the eyes and purview of the Ukrainaphobic Black Hundreds, lest it be found and destroyed.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Chernosotenzy_v_odessa.jpg

    I don't see Dedo among this rabble rousing crowd anywhere?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  730. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    anti-Israel and antisemitic propaganda and activity
     
    I don’t know enough about UNRWA to judge. However, I want to point out that anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    Replies: @A123

    It is not a close call… UNRWA funds & collaborates with terrorists targeting indigenous Palestinian Jews. It willingly allows its property to be weaponized. (1)

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in UNRWA schools. The board found, in the case of the UNRWA Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School, referring to the discovery of weapons there on 22 July 2014, that “it was highly likely that a Palestinian armed group might have used the premises to hide weapons.”

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad fired rockets from UNRWA schools. In the Jabalia school listed above, the board found that “it was highly likely that an unidentified Palestinian armed group could have used the school premises to launch attacks on or around 14 July.” Similarly, concerning weaponry stored at the UNRWA Nuseirat Preparatory Co- educational “B” School, the UN inquiry found that “the premises could have been used for an unknown period of time by members of a Palestinian armed group” — and that “it was likely that such a group may have fired the mortar from within the premises of the school.”

    Facilitating the use of children as human shields is despicable. UNRWA was formed in 1949 to help refugees. 70+ years later it is clear that they have 100% failed.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thetower.org/1955-un-report-confirms-hamas-stored-and-fired-weapons-from-un-schools/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Is there real evidence, w/o “could have”, “might have”, or “highly likely”? FYI, all of this is inadmissible in the court of law.

    Replies: @A123

  731. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Just wait and see, they will pitch one against the other so that they both end up ruined. Already started in Ukraine.
     
    Well, if we are in such a vulnerable state to be pitched against each other so easily, then we should be more careful, I suggest the Russian side contemplate this, too. They seem to look at this issue as if "the Americans are pitching Ukrainians against us", when in fact there is a lot in the Russian behavior and language that is alienating.

    They will not be able to pitch Ukrainians against other Eastern Europeans now, not as easily, we are blending together, the Russians are the only ones outside now. I only wonder if there is going to be a hard wall (as in during the Cold War) that will sever Russia from us or not.


    There are two Globalist projects today, competing for World-domination, the Atlanticist and the CCP Chinese (the Golem and the Machine). They seem so different, but for any human being who values his freedom, one is not better than the other, and they are economically speaking attached at the hip anyways.
     
    Of course, they are connected, and the Chinese money now flows everywhere, recently the port of Hamburg was bought by the Chinese (thankfully, only partially), there has been talk about the Chinese purchasing US land (I can't believe the US even allowed that). My preference would be to tread carefully with China and not confront them openly unnecessarily, but there are definitely issues with freedom there. We need Russia as a buffer there, we don't want the buffer to shrink so fast. You see now how foolish this "operation" was.

    People who want to eventually escape their embrace and survive as autonomous ethnic, spiritual and cultural groups, must self-organize with those who are most similar to themselves.
     
    While what you suggest would be ideal, similarity is not enough, there has to be harmony. Because people can also organize based on ideology or other interests. It's not like in the old days where one was limited to their space.

    In a generation it will be too late, they would probably have taken over.
     
    I don't know, that seems awfully fast, just 25 years? Although things move much faster now than before. You are correct that things are accelerating, the madness accelerated right during and shortly after Covid (in the US at least with the whole "Floyd" affair after which all the ads all of a sudden changed to black hair, etc). There must have been some kind of an internal impulse there that Covid triggered. Society is looking for guidelines, these guidelines are no longer stable as in a more traditional society.

    And in two – three generations, humanity might be mostly snuffed out, except for a tiny sliver of survivors. A population bottleneck of unprecedented scale.
     
    Two, three generations seems short. Come on, it's the people who are born today and their children. You mean that there will be an artificially created bottleneck or that humanity will start feeling the pinch of limited resources? Do not worry - our people are likely to get through the bottleneck, even if not in full (which will be sad) as they are numerous and they inhabit the best lands. We will still control a large part of those lands. We simply need to be more assertive. Most important is to secure water and arable land. That said, 2-3 generations is not a lot in my book. Our people should survive much longer, way more generations to come. But at that point it becomes unpredictable.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yes I am writing about an artificial population bottleneck. Depopulation is the most important part of the Globalist agenda. The War in Ukraine is part of this process. My guess is that Poland and the Baltic States will be dragged into this war, probably outside of the NATO framework. And attack against Belarus might be the trigger. The kind of attack that happened yesterday.

    https://mediazona.by/article/2023/02/27/sabotage/

    If someone would want to cause a greater havoc in Eastern Europe, that would be the right way doing it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Yes I am writing about an artificial population bottleneck. Depopulation is the most important part of the Globalist agenda.
     
    I'd have to read up on this depopulation agenda, I'm not sure it's that easy to control such large masses of people, even through wars. You must also realize that this one is a war of choice for Russia, it may not seem so, but even General Ivashov advised against his and he predicted exactly this - that thousands of able bodies youths and men in their prime would perish.

    My guess is that Poland and the Baltic States will be dragged into this war, probably outside of the NATO framework.
     
    Outside "NATO framework" is a rather long way to go. If you are talking about some kind of a "coalition of the willing" where the UK, Poland and Baltics would send troops to Ukraine, that is not desirable for those involved (except Ukraine). It's a long way until that and there is no such intention. No, our troops will stay put for as long as possible.

    The more immediate action could be in Transnistria, since there is a huge arms depot there, and very few capable Russian troops (those troops are not large and are completely "domesticated").


    The kind of attack that happened yesterday.
     
    From what I understand (haven't had time to read up on it yet), these could've been Ukraine-friendly Belarusian "partisans". The problem is is that Belarus is used as a platsdarm (place d’armes, “troop assembly area”, area of concentration (training of Russian troops) and the area for launching missile attacks against Ukraine, including civilian population).

    If the plan "Peramoga" is real (most of it is secret), that means the Zmagars still have a little bit left in them. That they could take out a plane means they have some capabilities and skills.

    Belarus needs to be sheltered and nobody sane wants to engage with Belarus in a hostile way (only those who have evil intentions do). We have nothing to fight over with Belarus (if it is not turned into, as I said, a platsdarm to attack us). The thought of attacking a Belarusian is vile and repulsive. Only if they side together with the Russian and act aggressively, only then they inspire an aggressive response. Putin wants Belarus involved. The Belarusian army is now commanded by the Russians (since around December last year). The only ones standing in the way are relatively significant masses of the Belarusian people who don't want it (and Luka, who doesn't want it either). It looks like even if Russia swamps Belarus (the russification of Belarus is proceeding very actively), many Belarusians will not be that eager to fight Ukrainians. It's unnatural.

    Belarus is important for China for transport - to move their cargoes to the EU. Poland has put some restrictions on Belarus on the border, and China doesn't like these disruptions. China might ask Belarus to resolve this situation peacefully and not aggravate the situation.
  732. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    It is not a close call... UNRWA funds & collaborates with terrorists targeting indigenous Palestinian Jews. It willingly allows its property to be weaponized. (1)


    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in UNRWA schools. The board found, in the case of the UNRWA Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School, referring to the discovery of weapons there on 22 July 2014, that “it was highly likely that a Palestinian armed group might have used the premises to hide weapons.”

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad stored rockets in schools that were in active use by children. During the war, former PLO lawyer Diana Buttu famously said on Al Jazeera that “the rockets that were found in the schools in UNRWA were schools that are not being used by anybody—school is out, I’ll have you know.” However, in the UNRWA Gaza Beach Elementary Co-educational “B” School, on 16 July 2014, the UN Board of Inquiry notes that the school gate was unlocked during the period leading up to the incident “in order to allow children access to the schoolyard.” School was out, but UNRWA was inviting the children back in to play.

    Hamas and/or Islamic Jihad fired rockets from UNRWA schools. In the Jabalia school listed above, the board found that “it was highly likely that an unidentified Palestinian armed group could have used the school premises to launch attacks on or around 14 July.” Similarly, concerning weaponry stored at the UNRWA Nuseirat Preparatory Co- educational “B” School, the UN inquiry found that “the premises could have been used for an unknown period of time by members of a Palestinian armed group” — and that “it was likely that such a group may have fired the mortar from within the premises of the school.”
     
    Facilitating the use of children as human shields is despicable. UNRWA was formed in 1949 to help refugees. 70+ years later it is clear that they have 100% failed.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thetower.org/1955-un-report-confirms-hamas-stored-and-fired-weapons-from-un-schools/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Is there real evidence, w/o “could have”, “might have”, or “highly likely”? FYI, all of this is inadmissible in the court of law.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Hard physical evidence. Weapons found in schools. (1)


    Some 20 rockets were found Wednesday in a school in Gaza operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the organization confirmed Thursday.

    The weapons were found in “the course of the regular inspection of its premises,” UNRWA said in a statement, adding that the school was vacant.

    “UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law,” the statement read.

    The discovery would seem to confirm Israel’s oft-repeated claim that Hamas and other Gazan terror groups use civilian infrastructure to hide weapons.

    “Yet again, Gaza terrorists abuse UN facilities to carry out their violent activities. Hamas and other terror groups are determined to put civilians in harm’s way and will respect nothing in their violent frenzy,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor told The Times of Israel. “We expect the UN and the international community to condemn and to act strongly against this brazen violation of international humanitarian law, which endangers children and UN humanitarian activities.”
     

    The idea of a 'vacant' school in Gaza is bizarre. There are not enough classrooms. Also, the UN openly turned over weapons to Hamas (2)

    Israel told the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza that Hamas was hiding rockets in their schools. This has happened several times.

    The first time it happened the United Nations school run by UNRWA called up Hamas and asked them to come and please take the weapons out. Hamas did just that. The school was not targeted by Israel. But the rockets were taken to be used by Hamas.

    Yesterday, the same thing happened again.

    Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird was livid when he heard of these events. How can the UN give weapons to Hamas? Here is what Baird said:
    "I was appalled to hear reports, one as recent as today, of stockpiles of rockets in a school run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza."

    "Even more alarming were reports that in the first case, officials with the United Nations returned these weapons to Hamas, a listed terrorist organization, once Israeli officials discovered their location."
     

    It would be an open and shut case if there was a court to bring such matters. Alas, the Islamophile & anti-Semitic UN/NWO repudiates 'rule based order'. All one can do is cut its funding.
    ____

    From your prior post:


    anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.
     
    I knew something was not logical when I first read it. But I did not notice the exact issue until now. The construct is not properly aligned. Presumably you were going for proper name / national identity. So let me help you:

    anti-Bennett is not necessarily anti-Israelite, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    Indeed being against Bennett, Hitler, and Not-The-President Biden are all sound positions. None of them reflect on Israel, Germany, or America. The last element pair is akin to the point I made to GR some moments ago.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-missiles-found-in-un-run-school-in-gaza/

    (2) http://micahhalpern.com/archives/2014/07/laugh_un_return.html

    Replies: @German_reader

  733. @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    When Tulsi Gabbard started to run for president in 2016 there was an early promo where she was in a bathing suit on a surfboard
     
    Absolutely great, didn't know this existed, lol

    https://lajolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/tulsi-gabbard-bikini.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I meant 2020.

    Need Singh’s report on the feedback from his neighborhood.

  734. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thank you for this detailed reply.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yeah that’s a great comment.

    The thing is the method seems to be that of Robespierre. You won’t know you have gone far enough until you clearly have gone too far. Lucky for us there do not exist sufficient Jews in the world to import a Holocaust 2.0 supply.

  735. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    Disclaimer: I did not live in anything that used to be Ukraine since September 1980, only visited my parents in Lugansk many times, my grandparents nearby several times, my aunt and cousin in Lvov once, and my cousin in Kiev once. So, my long-term first-hand experience only covers a few years near Lvov and ~13 years in Lugansk before 1980.

    My impressions are that most Ukraine residents (Ukrainians and Russians alike) are about as anti-Semitic as German Nazis. Used to be non-murderous, but now they are. Although they kill people of all nationalities, including Ukrainians, indiscriminately. In my view, that’s because post-coup regime has no agency, just follows orders of is puppeteers, who don’t give a hoot about any aborigines.

    Post-coup governments tried to suck up to the US and Israel by promoting select Jews. They tended to back the wrong horse, though: e.g., Kolomoisky is certainly a Jew (non-observant), but he is a thief and a crook first and foremost. Besides, he does not speak Ukrainian. Out of all riches of Russian he prefers non-school-appropriate expletives. In my view, any Jews that want to create new Israel in Ukraine must be dumber than bricks.

    So, as far as “New Pale” hypothesis goes, my answer is the same as Kepler’s when he was asked about God in his model of Solar System: “I did not need that hypothesis”. The events lend themselves to other interpretations much better. E.g., “New Pale” idea does not explain very stupid bloody aggression of the regime against Donbass that started in 2014. On the other hand, US thieves (including, but not limited to, Jews) were frustrated when Putin put a stop to their looting of Russian resources. Naturally, they want a regime in Russia that would let them keep looting. Therefore, they are creating whatever battering rams they can against current RF. Baltic microstates were enlisted in the crusade, Chechnya and Georgia were tried before Ukraine.

    As to the role of Jews overall, I share prevailing Russian attitude. In Russian there two words for Jews: “еврей” (“evrey”) is neutral, whereas “жид” (“zhid”) is a slur, like kike. However, in Russian “жид” invariably implies someone unnaturally greedy. There is Russian saying “Not all Jews are “жиды” (plural of “жид”), not all “жиды” are Jews” (“не все евреи жиды, и не все жиды евреи” in Russian).

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    “жиды” are Jews”

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    This is so weird I may to have to burn an hour of my life and watch it.

    What is it?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  736. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Is there real evidence, w/o “could have”, “might have”, or “highly likely”? FYI, all of this is inadmissible in the court of law.

    Replies: @A123

    Hard physical evidence. Weapons found in schools. (1)

    Some 20 rockets were found Wednesday in a school in Gaza operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the organization confirmed Thursday.

    The weapons were found in “the course of the regular inspection of its premises,” UNRWA said in a statement, adding that the school was vacant.

    “UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law,” the statement read.

    The discovery would seem to confirm Israel’s oft-repeated claim that Hamas and other Gazan terror groups use civilian infrastructure to hide weapons.

    “Yet again, Gaza terrorists abuse UN facilities to carry out their violent activities. Hamas and other terror groups are determined to put civilians in harm’s way and will respect nothing in their violent frenzy,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor told The Times of Israel. “We expect the UN and the international community to condemn and to act strongly against this brazen violation of international humanitarian law, which endangers children and UN humanitarian activities.”

    The idea of a ‘vacant’ school in Gaza is bizarre. There are not enough classrooms. Also, the UN openly turned over weapons to Hamas (2)

    Israel told the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza that Hamas was hiding rockets in their schools. This has happened several times.

    The first time it happened the United Nations school run by UNRWA called up Hamas and asked them to come and please take the weapons out. Hamas did just that. The school was not targeted by Israel. But the rockets were taken to be used by Hamas.

    Yesterday, the same thing happened again.

    Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird was livid when he heard of these events. How can the UN give weapons to Hamas? Here is what Baird said:
    “I was appalled to hear reports, one as recent as today, of stockpiles of rockets in a school run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza.”

    “Even more alarming were reports that in the first case, officials with the United Nations returned these weapons to Hamas, a listed terrorist organization, once Israeli officials discovered their location.”

    It would be an open and shut case if there was a court to bring such matters. Alas, the Islamophile & anti-Semitic UN/NWO repudiates ‘rule based order’. All one can do is cut its funding.
    ____

    From your prior post:

    anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    I knew something was not logical when I first read it. But I did not notice the exact issue until now. The construct is not properly aligned. Presumably you were going for proper name / national identity. So let me help you:

    anti-Bennett is not necessarily anti-Israelite, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    Indeed being against Bennett, Hitler, and Not-The-President Biden are all sound positions. None of them reflect on Israel, Germany, or America. The last element pair is akin to the point I made to GR some moments ago.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-missiles-found-in-un-run-school-in-gaza/

    (2) http://micahhalpern.com/archives/2014/07/laugh_un_return.html

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123

    Pretty funny that you're writing this at a time when Israel has not just taken another step towards annexation of the West Bank, but when government members (!) have openly voiced support for settlers brutalizing Palestinians and burning down their homes.
    Israel is really getting quite comically extremist, there's barely even a pretense anymore that it's a Western-style "liberal democracy". Which is good, this will hopefully cause problems for Israel's supporters in the West.

    Replies: @A123

  737. @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN

    “жиды” are Jews”

    https://youtu.be/UCopWgESliU

    Replies: @QCIC

    This is so weird I may to have to burn an hour of my life and watch it.

    What is it?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    https://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C_%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82


    Igor Vitalievich Gekko was born on August 19, 1964 in Severodonetsk.

    In 1986 he graduated from MVOKU.

    In 1986-1987, he was the commander of a reconnaissance platoon in the Central Group of Forces.

    In 1987 he went to the war in Afghanistan as a commander of a separate reconnaissance platoon, head of reconnaissance of a battalion.

    In 1991-1992 he received a financial education in the United States.

    In July 1993, together with his American partner Gregory Knowle Studer, he registered JSC TEXAKABANK in Kazakhstan.

    In 1992-2006 he worked in the financial and banking sector.

    Since 2001 - in politics.

    Since September 15, 2006 - Chairman of the Central Council of the Great Ukraine political party.

    He got into the database of the site "Peacemaker" as allegedly a "separatist".

    He is best known for putting forward the idea of ​​a “Heavenly Jerusalem”, the creation of a “New Israel” in part of Ukraine (as part of the Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Nikolaev regions), where, in his opinion, 6 million Jews from Israel and more than 12 million from the Russian Federation, the USA and the European Union.
     
    They have locked him along his partners for "separatism".

    https://rus.lb.ua/news/2021/09/17/494176_sbu_zaderzhala_podozrevaemogo.html

    Replies: @QCIC

  738. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    This is so weird I may to have to burn an hour of my life and watch it.

    What is it?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    https://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C_%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82

    Igor Vitalievich Gekko was born on August 19, 1964 in Severodonetsk.

    In 1986 he graduated from MVOKU.

    In 1986-1987, he was the commander of a reconnaissance platoon in the Central Group of Forces.

    In 1987 he went to the war in Afghanistan as a commander of a separate reconnaissance platoon, head of reconnaissance of a battalion.

    In 1991-1992 he received a financial education in the United States.

    In July 1993, together with his American partner Gregory Knowle Studer, he registered JSC TEXAKABANK in Kazakhstan.

    In 1992-2006 he worked in the financial and banking sector.

    Since 2001 – in politics.

    Since September 15, 2006 – Chairman of the Central Council of the Great Ukraine political party.

    He got into the database of the site “Peacemaker” as allegedly a “separatist”.

    He is best known for putting forward the idea of ​​a “Heavenly Jerusalem”, the creation of a “New Israel” in part of Ukraine (as part of the Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Nikolaev regions), where, in his opinion, 6 million Jews from Israel and more than 12 million from the Russian Federation, the USA and the European Union.

    They have locked him along his partners for “separatism”.

    https://rus.lb.ua/news/2021/09/17/494176_sbu_zaderzhala_podozrevaemogo.html

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    At first I thought this might be a weird Israeli porno! Is nice that she polished the eagle. Call Haxo, what category is Rosa, if she is even Jewish?

    My translation didn't work very well, I mostly watched her fidget.

    Without understanding the dialog he seems very calmly crazy.

    I got that Ukrainians are wild (lost?) Jews. That might explain a few things.

    Hopefully he is born Jewish and Ukrainian?

    In several videos she checked her watch. Is this symbolic, maybe "The time is now"?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  739. @Philip Owen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    China has a limited amount of time as a country with investment capital. It got old before it got rich and the workforce is now collapsing as never before in world history. China needs to invest.

    In 2013 China was beginning huge investments in agriculture, especially pigfarming in Ukraine, principally Donetsk and Zaporizhzhia. It was also planning two ports in Crimea. Money had changed hands. Putin's assault by proxy on the Donbas and Crimea broke those plans. Now they are destoyed beyuond recovery.

    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia's response has been modest. Uzbekistand has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China's options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.

    Russia is frustrating China's urgent interests. Xi was almost certainly not informed about the war until the last minute if that. The one person in the world (Kim apart) more actively monarchical and surrounded by Yes men than Putin is Xi. Putin will not have pleased Xi.

    China wants the war to end so that it can have a comfortable retirement. Hence the peace plan. It is not going to break its own sanctions over military equipment to Russia. It is going to, perhaps, supply a small quantity of dual use drones in an effort to exert some diplomatic pressure on Ukraine.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @LatW

    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia’s response has been modest. Uzbekistan has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China’s options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.

    Arestovych with a few of his friends has been exploring the idea of the so called “Yugorossia” lately. (Yugo meaning South). This is all obviously very hypothetical (to put it mildly), but the idea is that Ukraine, in the case of victory, would somehow gain influence over its neighboring eastern areas (Krasnodar krai, Volgograd, Rostov, etc) and then help create an East-West transportation corridor there (as well as some kind of a geopolitical buffer that several players might be interested in). It’s not clear how this would be achieved, probably what they mean is they would somehow be able to control some of the infrastructure there. From what I understood from Arestovych’s words, he was making it sound as if Ukraine would do this on her own, without involving the Anglo “partners” which might sound a bit naive. Or alternately, with partial involvement of Anglos and Turkey but not their full control.

    If Russia hadn’t invaded Ukraine, I would consider such talk tactless (even if some Russians have spoken with similar callousness about Ukraine & Baltics, treating us as mere “territory” to be exploited) and, if I were Russian, it would drive me up the wall just hearing it spelled out like that, but for China it might be interesting. And it might also signal the kind of a rising perception of the instability and fluidity of borders in the South of Russia that was exacerbated by this invasion.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @LatW

    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians. There is material to work with. The Qazaqs can readily claim up to the Volga if Russia becomes weak. Even do a deal. North Qazaqstan to Russia as a swap. (All fantasy, I know but claims could be made).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  740. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Yes I am writing about an artificial population bottleneck. Depopulation is the most important part of the Globalist agenda. The War in Ukraine is part of this process. My guess is that Poland and the Baltic States will be dragged into this war, probably outside of the NATO framework. And attack against Belarus might be the trigger. The kind of attack that happened yesterday.

    https://mediazona.by/article/2023/02/27/sabotage/

    If someone would want to cause a greater havoc in Eastern Europe, that would be the right way doing it.

    Replies: @LatW

    Yes I am writing about an artificial population bottleneck. Depopulation is the most important part of the Globalist agenda.

    I’d have to read up on this depopulation agenda, I’m not sure it’s that easy to control such large masses of people, even through wars. You must also realize that this one is a war of choice for Russia, it may not seem so, but even General Ivashov advised against his and he predicted exactly this – that thousands of able bodies youths and men in their prime would perish.

    My guess is that Poland and the Baltic States will be dragged into this war, probably outside of the NATO framework.

    Outside “NATO framework” is a rather long way to go. If you are talking about some kind of a “coalition of the willing” where the UK, Poland and Baltics would send troops to Ukraine, that is not desirable for those involved (except Ukraine). It’s a long way until that and there is no such intention. No, our troops will stay put for as long as possible.

    The more immediate action could be in Transnistria, since there is a huge arms depot there, and very few capable Russian troops (those troops are not large and are completely “domesticated”).

    The kind of attack that happened yesterday.

    From what I understand (haven’t had time to read up on it yet), these could’ve been Ukraine-friendly Belarusian “partisans”. The problem is is that Belarus is used as a platsdarm (place d’armes, “troop assembly area”, area of concentration (training of Russian troops) and the area for launching missile attacks against Ukraine, including civilian population).

    If the plan “Peramoga” is real (most of it is secret), that means the Zmagars still have a little bit left in them. That they could take out a plane means they have some capabilities and skills.

    Belarus needs to be sheltered and nobody sane wants to engage with Belarus in a hostile way (only those who have evil intentions do). We have nothing to fight over with Belarus (if it is not turned into, as I said, a platsdarm to attack us). The thought of attacking a Belarusian is vile and repulsive. Only if they side together with the Russian and act aggressively, only then they inspire an aggressive response. Putin wants Belarus involved. The Belarusian army is now commanded by the Russians (since around December last year). The only ones standing in the way are relatively significant masses of the Belarusian people who don’t want it (and Luka, who doesn’t want it either). It looks like even if Russia swamps Belarus (the russification of Belarus is proceeding very actively), many Belarusians will not be that eager to fight Ukrainians. It’s unnatural.

    Belarus is important for China for transport – to move their cargoes to the EU. Poland has put some restrictions on Belarus on the border, and China doesn’t like these disruptions. China might ask Belarus to resolve this situation peacefully and not aggravate the situation.

  741. As people have asked for other types of content…

    What type of dam is the most dangerous? Did you pick something big like Hoover?

    Nope. It is the really old, small ones that create severe hazards.

    PEACE 😇

  742. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his "Kobzar", but unfortunately he didn't care to pursue the topic any further?.....

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Gerard1234

    I only brought Shevchenko up because we were discussing the the Black Hundreds, and they were known for being Ukrainophobic, very similarly to yourself. Ivashka brought up before that his Ukrainian grandfather liked to read Shevchenko, especially his “Kobzar”, but unfortunately he didn’t care to pursue the topic any further?…..

    That’s just your 5 centuries of Galician inbreeding caused, way of admitting “Gerard you are 100% correct in all the statements you have said about Shevchenko and the lunacy of ukronazis making him their national hero”

    Say it directly in comment to me you butch dyke, Hack.

    Also, please can you think and reconsider the OBNOXIOUS way you conduct yourself on here. Show some tolerance, respect, some refinement you stupid faggot.

    And I am serious – you must refer to Gogol from now on as Hohol……..just to emphasise the fakeness and degeneracy of attempts by scum diaspora to in many cases necessary and insidiously change the anglo-version of Russian-world names

  743. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Hard physical evidence. Weapons found in schools. (1)


    Some 20 rockets were found Wednesday in a school in Gaza operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, the organization confirmed Thursday.

    The weapons were found in “the course of the regular inspection of its premises,” UNRWA said in a statement, adding that the school was vacant.

    “UNRWA strongly condemns the group or groups responsible for placing the weapons in one of its installations. This is a flagrant violation of the inviolability of its premises under international law,” the statement read.

    The discovery would seem to confirm Israel’s oft-repeated claim that Hamas and other Gazan terror groups use civilian infrastructure to hide weapons.

    “Yet again, Gaza terrorists abuse UN facilities to carry out their violent activities. Hamas and other terror groups are determined to put civilians in harm’s way and will respect nothing in their violent frenzy,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Yigal Palmor told The Times of Israel. “We expect the UN and the international community to condemn and to act strongly against this brazen violation of international humanitarian law, which endangers children and UN humanitarian activities.”
     

    The idea of a 'vacant' school in Gaza is bizarre. There are not enough classrooms. Also, the UN openly turned over weapons to Hamas (2)

    Israel told the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza that Hamas was hiding rockets in their schools. This has happened several times.

    The first time it happened the United Nations school run by UNRWA called up Hamas and asked them to come and please take the weapons out. Hamas did just that. The school was not targeted by Israel. But the rockets were taken to be used by Hamas.

    Yesterday, the same thing happened again.

    Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird was livid when he heard of these events. How can the UN give weapons to Hamas? Here is what Baird said:
    "I was appalled to hear reports, one as recent as today, of stockpiles of rockets in a school run by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in Gaza."

    "Even more alarming were reports that in the first case, officials with the United Nations returned these weapons to Hamas, a listed terrorist organization, once Israeli officials discovered their location."
     

    It would be an open and shut case if there was a court to bring such matters. Alas, the Islamophile & anti-Semitic UN/NWO repudiates 'rule based order'. All one can do is cut its funding.
    ____

    From your prior post:


    anti-Israel is not necessarily anti-Semitic, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.
     
    I knew something was not logical when I first read it. But I did not notice the exact issue until now. The construct is not properly aligned. Presumably you were going for proper name / national identity. So let me help you:

    anti-Bennett is not necessarily anti-Israelite, just like
    anti-Hitler is not necessarily anti-German, or
    anti-Biden is not necessarily anti-American.

    Indeed being against Bennett, Hitler, and Not-The-President Biden are all sound positions. None of them reflect on Israel, Germany, or America. The last element pair is akin to the point I made to GR some moments ago.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/20-missiles-found-in-un-run-school-in-gaza/

    (2) http://micahhalpern.com/archives/2014/07/laugh_un_return.html

    Replies: @German_reader

    Pretty funny that you’re writing this at a time when Israel has not just taken another step towards annexation of the West Bank, but when government members (!) have openly voiced support for settlers brutalizing Palestinians and burning down their homes.
    Israel is really getting quite comically extremist, there’s barely even a pretense anymore that it’s a Western-style “liberal democracy”. Which is good, this will hopefully cause problems for Israel’s supporters in the West.

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    Very sad that you ignored the incident that started the protest. Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews. People take justice into their own hands when that is their only option. Yes, it is usually clumsy and unfocused. However, what else do you expect?

    Ukie-stinians 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (in both Rammalah & Kiev) have become quite comically extremist. Their leaders are barely expressing a pretence about caring about their own citizens anymore. While tragic, there is a silver lining. This is causing problems for Ukie-stinian supporters in the West.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

  744. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    https://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%8C_%D0%91%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82


    Igor Vitalievich Gekko was born on August 19, 1964 in Severodonetsk.

    In 1986 he graduated from MVOKU.

    In 1986-1987, he was the commander of a reconnaissance platoon in the Central Group of Forces.

    In 1987 he went to the war in Afghanistan as a commander of a separate reconnaissance platoon, head of reconnaissance of a battalion.

    In 1991-1992 he received a financial education in the United States.

    In July 1993, together with his American partner Gregory Knowle Studer, he registered JSC TEXAKABANK in Kazakhstan.

    In 1992-2006 he worked in the financial and banking sector.

    Since 2001 - in politics.

    Since September 15, 2006 - Chairman of the Central Council of the Great Ukraine political party.

    He got into the database of the site "Peacemaker" as allegedly a "separatist".

    He is best known for putting forward the idea of ​​a “Heavenly Jerusalem”, the creation of a “New Israel” in part of Ukraine (as part of the Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Nikolaev regions), where, in his opinion, 6 million Jews from Israel and more than 12 million from the Russian Federation, the USA and the European Union.
     
    They have locked him along his partners for "separatism".

    https://rus.lb.ua/news/2021/09/17/494176_sbu_zaderzhala_podozrevaemogo.html

    Replies: @QCIC

    At first I thought this might be a weird Israeli porno! Is nice that she polished the eagle. Call Haxo, what category is Rosa, if she is even Jewish?

    My translation didn’t work very well, I mostly watched her fidget.

    Without understanding the dialog he seems very calmly crazy.

    I got that Ukrainians are wild (lost?) Jews. That might explain a few things.

    Hopefully he is born Jewish and Ukrainian?

    In several videos she checked her watch. Is this symbolic, maybe “The time is now”?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    Media report like he is in prison because Ukrainian police believe he is an FSB agent or provocateur. Ukrainian media writing saying he has multiple names and 9 passports.

    Although for me it looks like a standard eccentric postsoviet trolling, with the standard unpredictable postsoviet results that you can go to prison because of your YouTube video.

    As for Jews' interest in Ukraine, outside of the postsoviet space (where older Jews in religious sense almost don't exist, but only people with Jewish roots, maybe people in the younger generation). Most won't know where Ukraine is), excluding Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov. Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov don't care where Ukraine is. It reminds of Poland, when Poland was hoping for investment or friendship, but Israelis just view Poland as a negative place which can be used for Holocaust education.

    If Ukraine will join the EU, hundreds of thousands of Israelis will apply for a Ukrainian passport. It's not because they want to live in Ukraine, they are not crazy. It's because they want to work or study in developed countries like Germany.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  745. The Saudi delegation arrived in Ukraine – first visit at such a high level in 30 years (Saudi Arabia’s minister of foreign affairs, Prince Faisal bin Farhan).

    100M in humanitarian aid, 300M worth of oil. Rather generous assistance (I understand that they are swimming in billions but still).

    The government fund for investment were part of the delegation. This might mean that they have hopes for some Ukrainian success (might be a gesture to show that they do not agree with the destruction of Ukraine).

    There was a 200M Saudi investment in an agro holding in Kherson, which suffered losses due to the Russian occupation.

    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    War in Ukraine has created many tens of billions of dollars for Saudi Arabia, because it caused the increase in oil prices during most of 2022.

    So, Saudi Arabia are giving to Ukraine a very small proportion of the tens of billions of dollars, Ukraine and Russia has given to Saudi Arabia in 2022.


    @German_reader


    Western policies are bringing about a Russo-Chinese bloc
     
    In 2022, China doesn't do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.

    It's kind of predictable if you saw that China was investing little in Russia. If you looked in the investments and behavior, China seems a lot more interested in e.g. Germany.

    They used to have a lot of those conferences to attract Chinese investment in cities in Russia. After the end of the conference they seem to fly to China without so much for the journalists to report. But in the West, Western streets full of Chinese businessmen, Chinese people are buying the mansions and many large public investments are Chinese companies.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Greasy William
    @LatW


    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.
     
    I think this is really what it's all about.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don't think that Ukraine will not be defeated. The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine? I'm an American and I am here to tell you: the US will never stop sending Ukraine money or weapons. Ever. There is 100% consensus among the US elite that Ukraine must be supported until the end. As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.

    Similarly, I don't think that China will significantly arm Russia. Yes the West is dying. Yes the West is irreparably divided. Yes the West is degenerate and gay. But guess what? The West still has overwhelming economic and military capabilities that countries such as Russia, Iran and China can never hope to compete with, even if they were capable of pooling all their resources together. And while the West may be unsustainably divided at the societal level, it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level and this will remain the case for at least the next 20 years. Even if the Western economies end up suffering a hyperinflationary breakdown, that won't change the policies of the Western countries anymore than the hyperinflations in Weimar Germany or 1980's Israel changed the politics of those states.

    None of this is to predict an outright Ukrainian victory. It could come to that if Russia refuses to give in to reason and accept a ceasefire but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.

    Take the deal, Vlad! You stupid fucking midget.

    Replies: @LatW

  746. It is astonishing to me how many people seem to forget that thermonuclear weapons exist.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    LOL, looks like that account is a German westcuck. Really irritating how many Germans are larping as ultra-militant Westerners now. Must be some deep-rooted desire to be on the "right" side for once.
    It's wishful thinking of course, pure cope to deal with the looming new reality that Western policies are bringing about a Russo-Chinese bloc (+ Iran) that is in some ways much more powerful than the old Soviet Union was (which for most of the Cold War was an enemy of China after all).

  747. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    It is astonishing to me how many people seem to forget that thermonuclear weapons exist.

    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1630248158327349249?s=20

    Replies: @German_reader

    LOL, looks like that account is a German westcuck. Really irritating how many Germans are larping as ultra-militant Westerners now. Must be some deep-rooted desire to be on the “right” side for once.
    It’s wishful thinking of course, pure cope to deal with the looming new reality that Western policies are bringing about a Russo-Chinese bloc (+ Iran) that is in some ways much more powerful than the old Soviet Union was (which for most of the Cold War was an enemy of China after all).

    • Agree: songbird
  748. @LatW
    The Saudi delegation arrived in Ukraine - first visit at such a high level in 30 years (Saudi Arabia’s minister of foreign affairs, Prince Faisal bin Farhan).

    100M in humanitarian aid, 300M worth of oil. Rather generous assistance (I understand that they are swimming in billions but still).

    The government fund for investment were part of the delegation. This might mean that they have hopes for some Ukrainian success (might be a gesture to show that they do not agree with the destruction of Ukraine).

    There was a 200M Saudi investment in an agro holding in Kherson, which suffered losses due to the Russian occupation.

    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Greasy William

    War in Ukraine has created many tens of billions of dollars for Saudi Arabia, because it caused the increase in oil prices during most of 2022.

    So, Saudi Arabia are giving to Ukraine a very small proportion of the tens of billions of dollars, Ukraine and Russia has given to Saudi Arabia in 2022.

    Western policies are bringing about a Russo-Chinese bloc

    In 2022, China doesn’t do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.

    It’s kind of predictable if you saw that China was investing little in Russia. If you looked in the investments and behavior, China seems a lot more interested in e.g. Germany.

    They used to have a lot of those conferences to attract Chinese investment in cities in Russia. After the end of the conference they seem to fly to China without so much for the journalists to report. But in the West, Western streets full of Chinese businessmen, Chinese people are buying the mansions and many large public investments are Chinese companies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    In 2022, China doesn’t do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.
     
    If there was ever a possibility of the kind of crushing defeat inflicted on Russia (loss even of Crimea, possibly regime change and disintegration of the RF) that the Ukrainians and quite a few of their foreign supporters (including commenters here) fantasize about, I'm pretty confident China would scale up its support massively. They couldn't tolerate the loss of their major partner, it would isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests. That's another factor why this crisis could potentially escalate into a genuine world war and why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.

    Replies: @Beckow

  749. @Triteleia Laxa
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    In all established white Western countries, most of the high IQ population actively supports or passively follows antiracism and feminism because it is regarded as the high status ideology necessary for upward mobility or even just avoiding non-personing for any low six figure job.
     
    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Those who disagree with this ideology tend to focus on its excesses and never focus on the excesses of the ideology they would prefer in its place. This allows them to delude themselves that they are actually smarter and more accomplished, when really they're just biased.

    Yes, the fact that it is high status is helpful, but it is high status because it is (relatively) high quality. Those who do not understand this fail for the same reason that black people blaming their lack of economic productivity on white supremacy fail. They engage in magical thinking. They think to themselves "the only reason this thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like does not succeed is because the thing I resent succeeds and the thing I like fails." This is stupid on the face of it, but they contort themselves in knots to avoid the obvious.

    If something is dominant over you or you are jealous of it, start with the assumption that it is better than you and work on improvement, rather than dismissing it as crazy.

    That assumption may end being wrong, but it is better than what most people do.

    Ironically, we have arrived at a point where progressives build on established forms of knowledge in a way that takes advantage of centuries of human intellectual endeavour, whereas those self-styling as trads or other sorts of dissidents know little about these forms of knowledge and just alight on any random half-baked idea that kind of sort of looks like it might be flattering to them.

    Basically, if something is doing well and you're not, criticising it is generally just a way of Futher criticising yourself. If those successful people are totally stupid, what does that make you?

    Instead, realise that either what they are doing is extremely hard, or they are doing it very well, and find the genuine quality there. Then steal it. And school yard negs like "it is just high status" only serve to delude you and yours, giving you pseudo understanding and ensuring that you forever miss the actually high quality points, so can't learn from them.



    And if you read these paragraphs as some sort of affirmation of Woke excesses, that is because you have cognitive problems.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @songbird, @Coconuts, @S

    No, it is because the alternative is generally stupider.

    The smartest most accomplished people in the world will tend to support the smartest most accomplished ideology available.

    Limiting one’s self to only two ultimately stupid choices, one of these being ‘stupider’, the other being merely ‘stupid’, doesn’t sound particularly smart.

    Happily, there are many other ways to go about doing what needs to be done, of which, while they may not be perfect, at least they are not stupid. 🙂

  750. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    At first I thought this might be a weird Israeli porno! Is nice that she polished the eagle. Call Haxo, what category is Rosa, if she is even Jewish?

    My translation didn't work very well, I mostly watched her fidget.

    Without understanding the dialog he seems very calmly crazy.

    I got that Ukrainians are wild (lost?) Jews. That might explain a few things.

    Hopefully he is born Jewish and Ukrainian?

    In several videos she checked her watch. Is this symbolic, maybe "The time is now"?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Media report like he is in prison because Ukrainian police believe he is an FSB agent or provocateur. Ukrainian media writing saying he has multiple names and 9 passports.

    Although for me it looks like a standard eccentric postsoviet trolling, with the standard unpredictable postsoviet results that you can go to prison because of your YouTube video.

    As for Jews’ interest in Ukraine, outside of the postsoviet space (where older Jews in religious sense almost don’t exist, but only people with Jewish roots, maybe people in the younger generation). Most won’t know where Ukraine is), excluding Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov. Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov don’t care where Ukraine is. It reminds of Poland, when Poland was hoping for investment or friendship, but Israelis just view Poland as a negative place which can be used for Holocaust education.

    If Ukraine will join the EU, hundreds of thousands of Israelis will apply for a Ukrainian passport. It’s not because they want to live in Ukraine, they are not crazy. It’s because they want to work or study in developed countries like Germany.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    As for Jews’ interest in Ukraine, outside of the postsoviet space (where older Jews in religious sense almost don’t exist, but only people with Jewish roots, maybe people in the younger generation).
     
    Don't they teach them all about Babi Yar in the 3rd grade? Americans get this in junior high right after Auschwitz. It's like Mecca then Medina.
  751. @LatW
    The Saudi delegation arrived in Ukraine - first visit at such a high level in 30 years (Saudi Arabia’s minister of foreign affairs, Prince Faisal bin Farhan).

    100M in humanitarian aid, 300M worth of oil. Rather generous assistance (I understand that they are swimming in billions but still).

    The government fund for investment were part of the delegation. This might mean that they have hopes for some Ukrainian success (might be a gesture to show that they do not agree with the destruction of Ukraine).

    There was a 200M Saudi investment in an agro holding in Kherson, which suffered losses due to the Russian occupation.

    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Greasy William

    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.

    I think this is really what it’s all about.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don’t think that Ukraine will not be defeated. The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine? I’m an American and I am here to tell you: the US will never stop sending Ukraine money or weapons. Ever. There is 100% consensus among the US elite that Ukraine must be supported until the end. As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.

    Similarly, I don’t think that China will significantly arm Russia. Yes the West is dying. Yes the West is irreparably divided. Yes the West is degenerate and gay. But guess what? The West still has overwhelming economic and military capabilities that countries such as Russia, Iran and China can never hope to compete with, even if they were capable of pooling all their resources together. And while the West may be unsustainably divided at the societal level, it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level and this will remain the case for at least the next 20 years. Even if the Western economies end up suffering a hyperinflationary breakdown, that won’t change the policies of the Western countries anymore than the hyperinflations in Weimar Germany or 1980’s Israel changed the politics of those states.

    None of this is to predict an outright Ukrainian victory. It could come to that if Russia refuses to give in to reason and accept a ceasefire but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.

    Take the deal, Vlad! You stupid fucking midget.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I think this is really what it’s all about.
     
    It's an extraordinary visit. I only hope that they don't take advantage of a bleeding Ukraine and, if they want to cooperate in agriculture, that this is fruitful and mutually beneficial. There is a lot of potential.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don’t think that Ukraine will not be defeated.
     
    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has "committed crimes against humanity" (this is even more serious than war crimes, it's a higher level). Yes, she might be annoying and all to many on this board, but it's pretty serious. For the victims it's important as well. I wish it were the UN to be the ones to announce something like this, not her. That the UN would have a backbone. But the UN, too, just came out with a document in support of Ukraine. So all those point in Ukraine's favor.

    That said, what I hear from their soldiers (many of them are on YouTube and report daily from the battlefield), that it is very very tough. The Ukrainian media channels and people such as Podolyak talk a lot about the victory, yes, they are frustrated, but they are convinced it's coming, however, I heard at least 2-3 officers in the last couple of days saying that the media are "hyping" it and that things are very tough. That yes, victory can happen, but only if everyone, the whole nation is consolidated. But the Ukrainians will not stop, there was a poll that said that even if there was a nuclear blast, 80 or 90% Ukrainians said they would continue fighting.


    The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.
     
    There won't be a stalemate unless the Ukes lose all the means to fight, then they will fight with grandfathers' rifles (they won't need to, Ukraine was full of firearms even before 2022). They are building up for the offensive, they need to prepare not just this huge scale operation itself, but also prepare from the humanitarian point of view. Prepare the population in the occupied parts as well.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine?
     
    They always grasp at such straws. This may happen that the Republicans start supporting Russia over Ukraine, with time (the younger batch of Republicans are already pretty supportive of Russia although who knows how they will be after age 40 or so) but it will not be in the nearest future but it would be vital now.

    As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.
     

    Ukraine needs to start building out its own MIC.

    Yes the West is dying.
     
    The West is dying very slowly, meaning, yes, there are these negative trends which are most likely fatal in the long term, but not in the near term. Besides there is still some health at the core. People on this website like to make fun about how the Western militaries are "fake and gay", fatsos or whatever. Well, guess what, yes, the US servicemen are on average heavier, but not all of them, but the European ones are lean, fit and well equipped. They may not be as badass as the best Ukrainian units (simply because they're not battle tested, if they had combat experience, many would do well besides many do from Afghanistan) and they may not be in sufficient numbers for a huge war, but that can be reorganized (but let's hope that that war doesn't happen anyway or that this one is it). So the West is nowhere near dead.

    China can never hope to compete with
     

    It would be really awful to have to compete with China. Some competition is inevitable, but a military technological, geopolitical competition would be a nightmare. It would be so much nicer to spend the century on something else, on something lighter, more pleasant.

    it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level
     
    This is true, because they finally feel threatened. Not all but many. They are also finally allowed to feel a bit "militaristic", it's possible that many Western Europeans always desired it deeply, but weren't allowed to express it because of political correctness. Now they get to live it out vicariously through Ukrainians (of course, their sympathy is genuine, I don't mean this in a negative or perverted way). Let's hope it doesn't go too far. Peace is a huge value, the most important one really, besides freedom. Freedom, peace, health... in that order.

    hyperinflationary breakdown
     

    Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?

    but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.
     
    The West can't force anything on Ukraine, the West can only cease supplying weapons and funding. However, the batch of military assistance that could make a difference is already on the way, even if a decision was made today to not deliver more assistance, this batch would still go through and have an effect on the battle field.

    The risk there is that if this happened, the West would be facing the reality that a large, aggressive country can get away with something like this kind of an invasion with everything that happened.

    Replies: @songbird, @S

  752. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    And, obviously, the Saudis do not like the cooperation between Russia and Iran.
     
    I think this is really what it's all about.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don't think that Ukraine will not be defeated. The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine? I'm an American and I am here to tell you: the US will never stop sending Ukraine money or weapons. Ever. There is 100% consensus among the US elite that Ukraine must be supported until the end. As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.

    Similarly, I don't think that China will significantly arm Russia. Yes the West is dying. Yes the West is irreparably divided. Yes the West is degenerate and gay. But guess what? The West still has overwhelming economic and military capabilities that countries such as Russia, Iran and China can never hope to compete with, even if they were capable of pooling all their resources together. And while the West may be unsustainably divided at the societal level, it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level and this will remain the case for at least the next 20 years. Even if the Western economies end up suffering a hyperinflationary breakdown, that won't change the policies of the Western countries anymore than the hyperinflations in Weimar Germany or 1980's Israel changed the politics of those states.

    None of this is to predict an outright Ukrainian victory. It could come to that if Russia refuses to give in to reason and accept a ceasefire but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.

    Take the deal, Vlad! You stupid fucking midget.

    Replies: @LatW

    I think this is really what it’s all about.

    It’s an extraordinary visit. I only hope that they don’t take advantage of a bleeding Ukraine and, if they want to cooperate in agriculture, that this is fruitful and mutually beneficial. There is a lot of potential.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don’t think that Ukraine will not be defeated.

    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has “committed crimes against humanity” (this is even more serious than war crimes, it’s a higher level). Yes, she might be annoying and all to many on this board, but it’s pretty serious. For the victims it’s important as well. I wish it were the UN to be the ones to announce something like this, not her. That the UN would have a backbone. But the UN, too, just came out with a document in support of Ukraine. So all those point in Ukraine’s favor.

    That said, what I hear from their soldiers (many of them are on YouTube and report daily from the battlefield), that it is very very tough. The Ukrainian media channels and people such as Podolyak talk a lot about the victory, yes, they are frustrated, but they are convinced it’s coming, however, I heard at least 2-3 officers in the last couple of days saying that the media are “hyping” it and that things are very tough. That yes, victory can happen, but only if everyone, the whole nation is consolidated. But the Ukrainians will not stop, there was a poll that said that even if there was a nuclear blast, 80 or 90% Ukrainians said they would continue fighting.

    The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.

    There won’t be a stalemate unless the Ukes lose all the means to fight, then they will fight with grandfathers’ rifles (they won’t need to, Ukraine was full of firearms even before 2022). They are building up for the offensive, they need to prepare not just this huge scale operation itself, but also prepare from the humanitarian point of view. Prepare the population in the occupied parts as well.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine?

    They always grasp at such straws. This may happen that the Republicans start supporting Russia over Ukraine, with time (the younger batch of Republicans are already pretty supportive of Russia although who knows how they will be after age 40 or so) but it will not be in the nearest future but it would be vital now.

    As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.

    Ukraine needs to start building out its own MIC.

    Yes the West is dying.

    The West is dying very slowly, meaning, yes, there are these negative trends which are most likely fatal in the long term, but not in the near term. Besides there is still some health at the core. People on this website like to make fun about how the Western militaries are “fake and gay”, fatsos or whatever. Well, guess what, yes, the US servicemen are on average heavier, but not all of them, but the European ones are lean, fit and well equipped. They may not be as badass as the best Ukrainian units (simply because they’re not battle tested, if they had combat experience, many would do well besides many do from Afghanistan) and they may not be in sufficient numbers for a huge war, but that can be reorganized (but let’s hope that that war doesn’t happen anyway or that this one is it). So the West is nowhere near dead.

    China can never hope to compete with

    It would be really awful to have to compete with China. Some competition is inevitable, but a military technological, geopolitical competition would be a nightmare. It would be so much nicer to spend the century on something else, on something lighter, more pleasant.

    it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level

    This is true, because they finally feel threatened. Not all but many. They are also finally allowed to feel a bit “militaristic”, it’s possible that many Western Europeans always desired it deeply, but weren’t allowed to express it because of political correctness. Now they get to live it out vicariously through Ukrainians (of course, their sympathy is genuine, I don’t mean this in a negative or perverted way). Let’s hope it doesn’t go too far. Peace is a huge value, the most important one really, besides freedom. Freedom, peace, health… in that order.

    [MORE]

    hyperinflationary breakdown

    Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?

    but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.

    The West can’t force anything on Ukraine, the West can only cease supplying weapons and funding. However, the batch of military assistance that could make a difference is already on the way, even if a decision was made today to not deliver more assistance, this batch would still go through and have an effect on the battle field.

    The risk there is that if this happened, the West would be facing the reality that a large, aggressive country can get away with something like this kind of an invasion with everything that happened.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has “committed crimes against humanity”
     
    There has been a Great Awokening in war.

    Great rhetoric for the revanchists and virtue-signalers on social media.

    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    , @S
    @LatW



    Yes the West is dying.
     
    The West is dying very slowly..
     
    Living things, like peoples, have natural life cycles where they live and die.

    But what is going on today in the West, and what is planned for the East (and elsewhere) tommorrow, with the uncontrolled mass immigration being put in place by diktat as a bio-weapon, is not natural.

    The West is instead being murdered.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  753. @Ivashka the fool
    @German_reader

    This Germanic attitude is not restricted to WW2. The Germans have underestimated the Slavs/Wends since the times of the Middle Age Baltic/Wendish Crusades. And this despite the Wendish Nikloting Mecklenburg princely House being one of the oldest (or perhaps currently the oldest) aristocratic family of Germany. Also despite Prussians being heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav and Pomeranians being mostly germanized Wends. Therefore, the German ethnic groups that contributed so much to uniting Germany were heavily admixed with the Balto-Slav. Some even assign to Luther himself a partly Wendish ancestry and of course Copernicus was of Wendish stock.

    The condescending German attitude is an interesting trait of national character. Probably based on psychological differences between the Balto-Slav and the Germanic populations. HBD really. Adaptation to a different way of living in a somewhat different environment. The condescending Germanic attitude, and the somewhat humorous or mocking Slav attitude in return goes back centuries, perhaps millenia. An interesting topic because it is again creating problems in Europe, along with the chronical and typical Slavic inability to unite, organize and settle their internal conflicts.

    My subjective opinion is that this way of seeing the other : Немец or Wend is going back very far in history and perhaps to prehistoric Europe. Our ancestors have always lived side by side and have known each other very well. Despite this lenghty co-existence they mostly stayed distinct and avoided intermixing. The history of Slav - Germanic interactions is long, complicated and painful. Juraj Krizhanic (Юрий Крижанич) has written at length about it in the seventeenth century already. I have posted an excerpt from his writings on one of the previous threads, but am too lazy to look for it right now.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don’t care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don’t have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one – communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.

    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation

    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of “Russian soul”, which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It’s very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.
     
    Not just romantics, but Carl Jung touched upon these themes in his famous 1936 essay Wotan. Granted, this was already when some of the more irrational elements of the lives of his contemporaries became clearly visible. The archetype of what he calls the "tribal god" Wotan in the collective unconscious is the one who brings with himself violent impulses, war and fury. Furore Germanorum.

    Jung's description of Wotan:


    He is the god of storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of battle; moreover he is a superlative magician and artist in illusion who is versed in all secrets of an occult nature.
     
    I think he used words such as Ergriffenheit to describe the German people (at least some of them, the religious ones), this literally translates as "emotional", but the word sounds like "gripped with something", "captivated".
    , @Yevardian
    @Dmitry

    I opined earlier that I personally find it hard to believe Jew (with options or skills) would ever rather immigrate to Israel rather than Spain, at least for non-idealogical reasons.
    Mostly on gut feeling, I also strongly doubt average quality of life is higher in Israel than Spain, but as I've visited neither country, I mentioned this is a subject you could comment on.

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Dmitry


    If you know 21st century Poles, they don’t care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don’t have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians.
     
    These younger Poles aren't so Catholic anymore. However, they still have preference for some Western Slavic nationalities - Polish Czechophilia is quite inexplicable, being a kind of fascination with the other, unheroic model of Slavdom as well as with the "funny & childish" Czech language and Krtek cartoons. Last year in May I was in Praha and there was many, many Poles there, from Polish inland and not like me, from borderland. This is an unrequited love, though.

    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational - this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
    However, this does not translate into everyday life, where they organized, rational and soulless; so maybe is is just political and romantic myth - a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc - it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority. But this is not natural to them - in German school, Goethe's "Faust" must be heavily explained to them, so foreign to Germans it is now.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Coconuts

    , @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

     

    I got that impression... the influence of this guy on European ethno-nationalism (especially Northern versions) seems to be wide ranging:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Gottfried_Herder

    One of the originators of sturm und drang, and the progenitor of volksgeist thinking?

    At times there were intense French reactions against the 'indeterminate state of anarchy' that was supposed to characterise the German psyche and an anti-romantic movement developed to try and limit the spread of subjectivist 'barbarian/Germanic' influences. Maurras was a leader in promoting the 'three headed beast' theory of Reformation > Romanticism > Revolution.

    But then Carl Schmitt provided the most powerful version of this argument, maybe this aspect of his thought was one reason he got into trouble with the SS?
  754. @AP
    @Beckow

    When you are caught lying or in hypocrisy you like to use the word “autistic.”

    Meanwhile you ignored the video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims and those of Putin whose boots you are so desperate to lick and whose arguments you repeat.

    Serbia de facto gave up Kosovo as Ukraine de facto gave up Crimea.

    Replies: @Beckow

    ….video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims

    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler. That’s simply in the language, in the situation. Look up Tony Blair’s speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo, or his French and German colleagues.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn’t give up Donbas – that’s where the war is. You again in a deceptive way by lying cherry-pick half the story. Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.
     
    Actually, the phrases in the video go much further than that, in the last sentence which is worth paying attention to, it describes the crux of what the war is over:

    "Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).
     
    This is a pure claim that Russia is entitled to Ukraine and that Ukraine is what almost sounds like a "founding" component of Russia.

    * literally, "something that cannot be taken away", indispensable. One talks about a country's core region that way.
    ** our own, or private, personal, something that belongs to one (such as one's property, собственность).
    *** sphere, realm, space, expanse, a word that comes awfully close to lebensraum.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.
     
    It's the combination of slogans about right to determination combined with justification for invasion and annexation that is special.

    Look up Tony Blair’s speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo
     
    UK didn't annex Kosovo for itself, nor conquer Serbia proper, as Hitler did Bohemia and Moravia, and Poland - or Putin did Kherson and Zaporoizhia and attempted to do in Kiev, Sumy, Kharkiv, etc.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn’t give up Donbas – that’s where the war is.
     
    Because for 8 years Russians continued to support fighters there without "formally" annexing the place, while they did not try expand out of Crimea.

    If Russia had treated Donbas like Crimea, there would have been no war and Ukraine would have de facto accepted this status as it did Crimea. If Russia had treated Donbas like NATO treated Kosovo, placing its troops there openly, recoginzing its independence from Ukraine, there also would have been de facto acceptance from Kiev.

    Rusia has created very different conditions in Donbas than in Crimea or Kosovo, so any comparison is false.


    Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.
     
    By similar logic, Czechoslovakia and Poland had about 20 years to accept autonomy for the Germans but instead chose war.

    By your logic, German occupation of Bohemia, Moravia, and Poland was a Czech and Polish choice.

    Which makes sense, because you belong to a nation that was Hitler's only collaborators within Visegrad (your former masters, the Hungarians, were allies rather than collaborators). You accept the logic of those whose boots you lick.

  755. Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?

    Down. I’m in the deflationist/disinflationist camp. I think the inflationistas are largely a bunch of retarded faggots.

    Eventually all the fiat currencies will die, the dollar included, and that cannot happen one day too soon. That said, I see no reason to expect that the dollar is going to die anytime soon. The neofuedal, quasi-ponzi financial system is vastly more durable than it may appear on the surface.

    There is going to be a massive housing crash in the US; the largest such crash in US history, greater than 2005-2009. There will likewise be a similar crash in used cars and, to a lesser extent, new cars. Tech will crash worse than it did in 2000. Unemployment will more than double and real wages will decline further. Credit card defaults will hit an all time high. The stock market is going to lose over 2/3 of its value, devastating the retirements of the Baby Boomers. State pension systems are going to collapse. Economic inequality and other social and political problems will continue to get worse. All of this is inevitable.

    And none of it will fucking matter. I have been waiting for the imminent end of the current political/economic system since 2009, and yet, here we are. I was right about the severity and unsustainable nature of political and economic problems in the United States but what I got wrong was that just because the current system cannot last forever does not mean that the current system cannot last indefinitely. Like Adam Smith said, “There is a great deal of ruin in a nation.”

    Fuck.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Tech will crash worse than it did in 2000
     
    Tech crashed last year. No, I didn't mean in some mystical future that never comes or that's decades away, but in the coming few years.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  756. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW

    War in Ukraine has created many tens of billions of dollars for Saudi Arabia, because it caused the increase in oil prices during most of 2022.

    So, Saudi Arabia are giving to Ukraine a very small proportion of the tens of billions of dollars, Ukraine and Russia has given to Saudi Arabia in 2022.


    @German_reader


    Western policies are bringing about a Russo-Chinese bloc
     
    In 2022, China doesn't do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.

    It's kind of predictable if you saw that China was investing little in Russia. If you looked in the investments and behavior, China seems a lot more interested in e.g. Germany.

    They used to have a lot of those conferences to attract Chinese investment in cities in Russia. After the end of the conference they seem to fly to China without so much for the journalists to report. But in the West, Western streets full of Chinese businessmen, Chinese people are buying the mansions and many large public investments are Chinese companies.

    Replies: @German_reader

    In 2022, China doesn’t do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.

    If there was ever a possibility of the kind of crushing defeat inflicted on Russia (loss even of Crimea, possibly regime change and disintegration of the RF) that the Ukrainians and quite a few of their foreign supporters (including commenters here) fantasize about, I’m pretty confident China would scale up its support massively. They couldn’t tolerate the loss of their major partner, it would isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests. That’s another factor why this crisis could potentially escalate into a genuine world war and why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.

    • Agree: Beckow
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests...why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.
     
    I agree. There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is very high. In the unlikely scenario that Nato succeeds in a preventive first strike - some idiots dream that Russia's nukes don't work, since 'nothing works in Russia' - we would still have a nuked world forever, both materially and philosophically.

    Most likely outcome is a Russian victory - defined as control over large parts of Ukraine - and a battle line in E Europe preventing any economic cooperation.

    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world...
    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.

    In the longer run it is also very bad for US since it depends on its Euro-satrapies for credibility and $-god-like-status. US has also lost the ability to kick-around smaller Third World countries given that Russia-China would almost certainly oppose it now - so the 'global police' is mostly gone.

    This has been fun, probably the biggest group of morons in power since WW2...

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

  757. @Mikel
    @Anon 2


    why is it that Virgin Mary (or other heavenly beings) never appeared before a group of Russian or Ukrainian children, and never blessed them with miracles and grace?
     
    Interesting observation. But note that Eastern Slavs are not the only victims of the Virgin Mary's indifference. There are no records of Her appearances in Pakistan either. Or in Oman, Zimbabwe, Laos,... I don't think that even the Swedes ever got Her visit. But She did show up in Mexico and Chile. It's almost as if the Virgin Mary only made apparitions in countries where people believe in... the Virgin Mary and her apparitions.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Yes, Virgin Mary has shown a definite preference for Catholics,
    which some people might see as empirical evidence in favor of the
    claim that Catholicism is closer to the truth than Eastern Orthodoxy
    or Protestantism. Note that the apparitions of Virgin Mary in
    Medjugorje are still continuing on a regular basis. Anyone can go there,
    and see for himself. One reporter tried to interview the woman visionary
    who was one of the children when the visions bgan in 1981, and became
    literally spellbound. The supernatural radiance coming from her was
    so powerful he was unable to speak for quite some time.

    As to Russia, we could ask the question, “Would Russia have invaded
    Ukraine if it was roughly the same size as Ukraine.” Most likely not – so
    we can see how Russia has become corrupted by the obscene size of
    its territory, showing how greedy the Russians have become. Russia is
    one of the most anti-Christian countries in the world. Jesus said,
    “Love thy neighbor.” There is no evidence he ever said, “Invade thy
    neighbor.” Realistically, we know that both Russia and Ukraine
    are very corrupt, that both had a high murder rate before the invasion
    (and now it’s astronomical), and both have a short life expectancy.
    So both are really failed states. But in a war between a v. large country
    and a medium country, the former is more to blame simply because
    it has more options, whereas the smaller country is fighting for its basic
    survival. However, to Russia’s credit, the Russian troops don’t seem
    very enthusiastic about killing Ukrainians. Nevertheless, they are still
    doing a lot of killing and raping.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Anon 2


    Virgin Mary has shown a definite preference for Catholics,
    which some people might see as empirical evidence in favor of the
    claim that Catholicism is closer to the truth than Eastern Orthodoxy
    or Protestantism.
     
    Yes, based on the number of Marian apparitions, an honest researcher would have to conclude that Catholicism is the closest religion to the truth. But this only gives us a partial picture because there are many other metrics available. For example, the number of speakers in tongues would suggest that the closest to the truth are actually the Pentecostalists. Or the number of levitating gurus and reincarnated monks would favor Oriental religions. Some could even argue for the Afro-Caribbean faiths based on the number of voodoo spells. It's a complicated matter and I'm not sure you are using the right tools to study it.
  758. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don't care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don't have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one - communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation
     
    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of "Russian soul", which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It's very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @Another Polish Perspective, @Coconuts

    This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Not just romantics, but Carl Jung touched upon these themes in his famous 1936 essay Wotan. Granted, this was already when some of the more irrational elements of the lives of his contemporaries became clearly visible. The archetype of what he calls the “tribal god” Wotan in the collective unconscious is the one who brings with himself violent impulses, war and fury. Furore Germanorum.

    Jung’s description of Wotan:

    He is the god of storm and frenzy, the unleasher of passions and the lust of battle; moreover he is a superlative magician and artist in illusion who is versed in all secrets of an occult nature.

    I think he used words such as Ergriffenheit to describe the German people (at least some of them, the religious ones), this literally translates as “emotional”, but the word sounds like “gripped with something”, “captivated”.

  759. @Beckow
    @AP


    ....video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims
     
    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler. That's simply in the language, in the situation. Look up Tony Blair's speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo, or his French and German colleagues.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn't give up Donbas - that's where the war is. You again in a deceptive way by lying cherry-pick half the story. Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.

    Actually, the phrases in the video go much further than that, in the last sentence which is worth paying attention to, it describes the crux of what the war is over:

    “Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).

    This is a pure claim that Russia is entitled to Ukraine and that Ukraine is what almost sounds like a “founding” component of Russia.

    * literally, “something that cannot be taken away”, indispensable. One talks about a country’s core region that way.
    ** our own, or private, personal, something that belongs to one (such as one’s property, собственность).
    *** sphere, realm, space, expanse, a word that comes awfully close to lebensraum.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    You are engaging in verbal-anarcho manipulation, the words can be picked from endless speeches anywhere. It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders. With the indisputable Kosovo precedent the West threw away its ability to argue that borders are always untouchable.

    You don't get to pick the opposite side in an argument based on your tribal preferences. Everyone knows it: China, India, the Western politicians in private, even you. Stop the preaching about principles and silly historical analogies and accept that it is decided by force.


    It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere
     
    Any independent observer would agree that it is a true statement, look at history, religion, culture, etc... As are true similar claims by Izrael, Kashmiris, Magyars in Transylvania, Serbs in Kosovo...

    You are getting lost in the details of emotional rhetoric in the moment. Focus on the issue: do minorities have a right to self-determination at a cost of autonomy-separation that others oppose? The answer seems to be yes, if they can win the war...in Kosovo as in Crimea-Donbas-Ukraine, it is exactly the same situation.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Greasy William
    @LatW


    Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).
     
    Then why did you drive away the Ukrainians with your imperialistic policies instead of building a mutually beneficial partnership with them?

    Also, I thought all this carnage was about defending the rights of Russians living in the Donbas. What is all this blood and soil talk?
  760. Number one issue this year is the huge number of US Treasuries that need to be rolled over, at much higher rates.

    https://www.financialsense.com/video/20471/weekly-update-us-debt-markets-likely-face-trouble-year

  761. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don't care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don't have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one - communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation
     
    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of "Russian soul", which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It's very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @Another Polish Perspective, @Coconuts

    I opined earlier that I personally find it hard to believe Jew (with options or skills) would ever rather immigrate to Israel rather than Spain, at least for non-idealogical reasons.
    Mostly on gut feeling, I also strongly doubt average quality of life is higher in Israel than Spain, but as I’ve visited neither country, I mentioned this is a subject you could comment on.

  762. @Greasy William

    Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?
     
    Down. I'm in the deflationist/disinflationist camp. I think the inflationistas are largely a bunch of retarded faggots.

    Eventually all the fiat currencies will die, the dollar included, and that cannot happen one day too soon. That said, I see no reason to expect that the dollar is going to die anytime soon. The neofuedal, quasi-ponzi financial system is vastly more durable than it may appear on the surface.

    There is going to be a massive housing crash in the US; the largest such crash in US history, greater than 2005-2009. There will likewise be a similar crash in used cars and, to a lesser extent, new cars. Tech will crash worse than it did in 2000. Unemployment will more than double and real wages will decline further. Credit card defaults will hit an all time high. The stock market is going to lose over 2/3 of its value, devastating the retirements of the Baby Boomers. State pension systems are going to collapse. Economic inequality and other social and political problems will continue to get worse. All of this is inevitable.

    And none of it will fucking matter. I have been waiting for the imminent end of the current political/economic system since 2009, and yet, here we are. I was right about the severity and unsustainable nature of political and economic problems in the United States but what I got wrong was that just because the current system cannot last forever does not mean that the current system cannot last indefinitely. Like Adam Smith said, "There is a great deal of ruin in a nation."

    Fuck.

    Replies: @LatW

    Tech will crash worse than it did in 2000

    Tech crashed last year. No, I didn’t mean in some mystical future that never comes or that’s decades away, but in the coming few years.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @LatW

    True, but tech has further to crash.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  763. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    In 2022, China doesn’t do action to support Moscow, except neutrality votes in the UN and continuing the trade.
     
    If there was ever a possibility of the kind of crushing defeat inflicted on Russia (loss even of Crimea, possibly regime change and disintegration of the RF) that the Ukrainians and quite a few of their foreign supporters (including commenters here) fantasize about, I'm pretty confident China would scale up its support massively. They couldn't tolerate the loss of their major partner, it would isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests. That's another factor why this crisis could potentially escalate into a genuine world war and why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests…why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.

    I agree. There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is very high. In the unlikely scenario that Nato succeeds in a preventive first strike – some idiots dream that Russia’s nukes don’t work, since ‘nothing works in Russia‘ – we would still have a nuked world forever, both materially and philosophically.

    Most likely outcome is a Russian victory – defined as control over large parts of Ukraine – and a battle line in E Europe preventing any economic cooperation.

    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world…
    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.

    In the longer run it is also very bad for US since it depends on its Euro-satrapies for credibility and $-god-like-status. US has also lost the ability to kick-around smaller Third World countries given that Russia-China would almost certainly oppose it now – so the ‘global police’ is mostly gone.

    This has been fun, probably the biggest group of morons in power since WW2…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is high.
     
    In case of a fight over Crimea definitely a real possibility. Which Russian government would give up such a strategically central area (one that's also full of Russians...who would presumably be expelled if Ukraine re-acquires control over the peninsula, no regime would survive such scenes) without escalating to prevent such an outcome?

    Most likely outcome of this war will be a Russian victory – defined as control over a large part of Ukraine
     
    Probably a kind of "Pyrrhic" victory though. I don't think the more extreme Russian goals that were talked about during the earlier stages of the war (like annexation of the entire Black sea coast) are achievable (nor do I personally regard them as legitimate). And given the costs of the entire enterprise to Russia, there's a real question whether it will have been worth it even from a narrow pov of Russian national interests.
    I mostly agree with the rest of your points. Outlook for Europe is certainly bleak, and yes, eventually that will also impact US power (also should be hard to spin the US role in Europe as purely benevolent hegemony, given something as egregious as the North Stream sabotage...even if discussion of that will be kept under a lid in Europe, the rest of the world must notice and draw possibly unwanted conclusions about the dangers of getting too close to the US). And after what the Americans have allegedly done in Ukraine (directly helping the Ukrainians to kill Russian generals and sink a major naval vessel, possibly also enabling that attack on a strategic nuclear bomber airbase in Russia herself), the Russian military and security circles must feel a strong desire to get revenge and reciprocate if the US is embroiled in a war against some other adversary.
    Real disaster, baffling how one could fuck up the possibility for positive change that arose in the 1990s so badly.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world…
     
    Agree.

    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.
     
    You are wrong.

    Ukraine's status as winner or loser will depend on how much territory it retains/gets back, and how quickly it will be integrated with EU and the amount of redevelopment aid it receives. This is to be determined. Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears and Ukraine becomes an ethnic Ukrainian mono-state. Balanced with the loss of some territory and population, makes Ukraine a slight winner.

    Poland wins. It gets a few million hard-working young Ukrainians who will stay. It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine (Polish firms already have many of the contracts), becomes the largest land army in Europe.

    Your desperate wish for Ukraine and Poland to be losers as a result of this war is just sour grapes.

    Russia loses the most. Wastes a lot of its military and resources on this war, ends up isolated and dependent on China who will dictate to Russia the prices of the commodities Russia will be obligated to sell to its very senior partner.

    Of course, from the perspective of loss of life, Ukraine is the biggest loser. A slight win in this war isn't worth the deaths of 100,000+. But it did not choose to this war, Russia chose to invade it.

    Replies: @Beckow

  764. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.
     
    Actually, the phrases in the video go much further than that, in the last sentence which is worth paying attention to, it describes the crux of what the war is over:

    "Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).
     
    This is a pure claim that Russia is entitled to Ukraine and that Ukraine is what almost sounds like a "founding" component of Russia.

    * literally, "something that cannot be taken away", indispensable. One talks about a country's core region that way.
    ** our own, or private, personal, something that belongs to one (such as one's property, собственность).
    *** sphere, realm, space, expanse, a word that comes awfully close to lebensraum.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

    You are engaging in verbal-anarcho manipulation, the words can be picked from endless speeches anywhere. It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders. With the indisputable Kosovo precedent the West threw away its ability to argue that borders are always untouchable.

    You don’t get to pick the opposite side in an argument based on your tribal preferences. Everyone knows it: China, India, the Western politicians in private, even you. Stop the preaching about principles and silly historical analogies and accept that it is decided by force.

    It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere

    Any independent observer would agree that it is a true statement, look at history, religion, culture, etc… As are true similar claims by Izrael, Kashmiris, Magyars in Transylvania, Serbs in Kosovo…

    You are getting lost in the details of emotional rhetoric in the moment. Focus on the issue: do minorities have a right to self-determination at a cost of autonomy-separation that others oppose? The answer seems to be yes, if they can win the war…in Kosovo as in Crimea-Donbas-Ukraine, it is exactly the same situation.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders.
     
    This is of course a classical problem. But that's not all that this is about..

    It's not really about "minorities" as you say. He wants the whole country.

    Replies: @Beckow

  765. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests...why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.
     
    I agree. There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is very high. In the unlikely scenario that Nato succeeds in a preventive first strike - some idiots dream that Russia's nukes don't work, since 'nothing works in Russia' - we would still have a nuked world forever, both materially and philosophically.

    Most likely outcome is a Russian victory - defined as control over large parts of Ukraine - and a battle line in E Europe preventing any economic cooperation.

    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world...
    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.

    In the longer run it is also very bad for US since it depends on its Euro-satrapies for credibility and $-god-like-status. US has also lost the ability to kick-around smaller Third World countries given that Russia-China would almost certainly oppose it now - so the 'global police' is mostly gone.

    This has been fun, probably the biggest group of morons in power since WW2...

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is high.

    In case of a fight over Crimea definitely a real possibility. Which Russian government would give up such a strategically central area (one that’s also full of Russians…who would presumably be expelled if Ukraine re-acquires control over the peninsula, no regime would survive such scenes) without escalating to prevent such an outcome?

    Most likely outcome of this war will be a Russian victory – defined as control over a large part of Ukraine

    Probably a kind of “Pyrrhic” victory though. I don’t think the more extreme Russian goals that were talked about during the earlier stages of the war (like annexation of the entire Black sea coast) are achievable (nor do I personally regard them as legitimate). And given the costs of the entire enterprise to Russia, there’s a real question whether it will have been worth it even from a narrow pov of Russian national interests.
    I mostly agree with the rest of your points. Outlook for Europe is certainly bleak, and yes, eventually that will also impact US power (also should be hard to spin the US role in Europe as purely benevolent hegemony, given something as egregious as the North Stream sabotage…even if discussion of that will be kept under a lid in Europe, the rest of the world must notice and draw possibly unwanted conclusions about the dangers of getting too close to the US). And after what the Americans have allegedly done in Ukraine (directly helping the Ukrainians to kill Russian generals and sink a major naval vessel, possibly also enabling that attack on a strategic nuclear bomber airbase in Russia herself), the Russian military and security circles must feel a strong desire to get revenge and reciprocate if the US is embroiled in a war against some other adversary.
    Real disaster, baffling how one could fuck up the possibility for positive change that arose in the 1990s so badly.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...In case of a fight over Crimea definitely a real possibility.
     
    Plus Donbas - today no government in Moscow can fail to protect the Donbas Russians. It could be a nuke demonstration on some remote Galician city or in the Black Sea, but if Crimea and Donbas are at risk of being overrun by the vengeful Ukies the odds are at least 50% that Russia would use nukes. Then we can all belly-ache about it for centuries, or probably not...

    “Pyrrhic” victory though. I don’t think the more extreme Russian goals that were talked about during the earlier stages of the war
     
    The Pyrrhic meme gets a lot of overuse: the narrow meaning of the term is winning a battle but losing so much logistical support and manpower that one can't go on fighting - that's Pyrrha. I don't see it with Russia, and one can argue that for Kiev it would also be a 'Pyrrhic victory. Win is a win, better than a loss...

    We don't know what Russia's goals were - or are - there are the official claims, or we can project paranoid Polish-Ukie-Balt fantasies "Russia wants everything, all the way to Pyrenees!!"

    More likely Russia's goals are modest - kind of what they said: prevent Nato in Ukraine and protect the Russian minority living there. They probably also want as much of the chernozem lands and Black Sea coast as they can get. And probably an emasculated, demilitarized rump Ukraine in the center-west. But as with all goals they are aspirational and negotiable. Painting a devil on the wall and screaming "Russia!!! Russia!!!" doesn't help anyone - least of all the Ukies.

  766. @Beckow
    @LatW

    You are engaging in verbal-anarcho manipulation, the words can be picked from endless speeches anywhere. It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders. With the indisputable Kosovo precedent the West threw away its ability to argue that borders are always untouchable.

    You don't get to pick the opposite side in an argument based on your tribal preferences. Everyone knows it: China, India, the Western politicians in private, even you. Stop the preaching about principles and silly historical analogies and accept that it is decided by force.


    It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere
     
    Any independent observer would agree that it is a true statement, look at history, religion, culture, etc... As are true similar claims by Izrael, Kashmiris, Magyars in Transylvania, Serbs in Kosovo...

    You are getting lost in the details of emotional rhetoric in the moment. Focus on the issue: do minorities have a right to self-determination at a cost of autonomy-separation that others oppose? The answer seems to be yes, if they can win the war...in Kosovo as in Crimea-Donbas-Ukraine, it is exactly the same situation.

    Replies: @LatW

    It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders.

    This is of course a classical problem. But that’s not all that this is about..

    It’s not really about “minorities” as you say. He wants the whole country.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...It’s not really about “minorities” as you say. He wants the whole country.
     
    Recent history says that is not true: Russia insisted on the Minsk deal for 8 years while watching Nato rearm Ukraine. You are projecting your fears and prejudices.

    Russia may end with more than they wanted due to military and security buffer concerns. But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  767. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don't care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don't have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one - communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation
     
    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of "Russian soul", which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It's very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @Another Polish Perspective, @Coconuts

    If you know 21st century Poles, they don’t care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don’t have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians.

    These younger Poles aren’t so Catholic anymore. However, they still have preference for some Western Slavic nationalities – Polish Czechophilia is quite inexplicable, being a kind of fascination with the other, unheroic model of Slavdom as well as with the “funny & childish” Czech language and Krtek cartoons. Last year in May I was in Praha and there was many, many Poles there, from Polish inland and not like me, from borderland. This is an unrequited love, though.

    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational – this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
    However, this does not translate into everyday life, where they organized, rational and soulless; so maybe is is just political and romantic myth – a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc – it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority. But this is not natural to them – in German school, Goethe’s “Faust” must be heavily explained to them, so foreign to Germans it is now.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Another Polish Perspective


    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational – this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
     
    Well if you take the longer view and if you can ignore WWI & WWII (big if), Germans and Russians have historically gotten along quite well, they're natural partners in a dozen ways.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Coconuts
    @Another Polish Perspective


    ...a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc – it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority.
     
    There is this book:

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Law-Blood-Thinking-Acting-Nazi/dp/0674660439/ref=sr_1_6?crid=220RAHDT4ASAY&keywords=johann+chapoutot&qid=1677579430&sprefix=Chapoutot+%2Caps%2C353&sr=8-6

    The author develops the idea that volksgeist thinking transformed into extreme ethnic particularism meant that the idea of a general rational human moral community was rejected by the Nazis, so members of other ethnic groups didn't necessarily have any moral standing. The author is French.

  768. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Dmitry


    If you know 21st century Poles, they don’t care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don’t have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians.
     
    These younger Poles aren't so Catholic anymore. However, they still have preference for some Western Slavic nationalities - Polish Czechophilia is quite inexplicable, being a kind of fascination with the other, unheroic model of Slavdom as well as with the "funny & childish" Czech language and Krtek cartoons. Last year in May I was in Praha and there was many, many Poles there, from Polish inland and not like me, from borderland. This is an unrequited love, though.

    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational - this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
    However, this does not translate into everyday life, where they organized, rational and soulless; so maybe is is just political and romantic myth - a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc - it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority. But this is not natural to them - in German school, Goethe's "Faust" must be heavily explained to them, so foreign to Germans it is now.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Coconuts

    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational – this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.

    Well if you take the longer view and if you can ignore WWI & WWII (big if), Germans and Russians have historically gotten along quite well, they’re natural partners in a dozen ways.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    The idea that most Germans "kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA" is fantastical, opinion polls consistently show the opposite, and while "anti-Americanism" is regularly invoked in German public discourse as a kind of secular mortal sin (disliking the globohomo empire would be totally Nazi after all), "Russophobia" most certainly isn't.
    "Another Polish perspective's" comment reveals more about Polish obsessions than about German realities.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  769. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Slavs vs Germans ideas for explaining history, was popular for Soviet and Russian empire culture. If you know 21st century Poles, they don't care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don't have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians. Panslavism is like a Warsaw Pact 1.0 for them.

    In the 19th century, panslavism was a political technology customized for the Russian empire to create political instability in the rival empires where slavic nationalities were ruled by German empires.

    In the second half of the 20th century, Moscow attained the most strong dreams of 19th century panslavism excluding Yugoslavia. All slavic nationalities excluding Yugoslavia were directly or indirectly controlled by them.

    But by 20th century, the political technology that attained this, was the upgraded and more universalist one - communism, which could extend for political instability not only in Central Europe, also in Cuba, Africa or Vietnam. Communism was less customized ideology though and it also causes too much superpower ambition, while panslavism was limited to the conflict of the empires in Central Europe.


    Russians see Germans as through, methodical, hard working. But they also see them as lacking intuition and being too rational, which is often a limiting factor in complex situation
     
    But how recent are these stereotypes about Germans?

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    Later concepts of "Russian soul", which saying the same thing as the German writers say about themselves. A lot was imported in the universities before the revolution. It's very imitation of German romantic ideology.

    Replies: @LatW, @Yevardian, @Another Polish Perspective, @Coconuts

    If you read German writing, they view themselves as irrational people based in intuition. All the German romantic writing was imported and copied in Russia in the 19th century.

    The idea is that Germans are irrational and French are rational. This is what German romantics wrote and this all the ideas imported to Russia.

    I got that impression… the influence of this guy on European ethno-nationalism (especially Northern versions) seems to be wide ranging:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Gottfried_Herder

    One of the originators of sturm und drang, and the progenitor of volksgeist thinking?

    At times there were intense French reactions against the ‘indeterminate state of anarchy’ that was supposed to characterise the German psyche and an anti-romantic movement developed to try and limit the spread of subjectivist ‘barbarian/Germanic’ influences. Maurras was a leader in promoting the ‘three headed beast’ theory of Reformation > Romanticism > Revolution.

    But then Carl Schmitt provided the most powerful version of this argument, maybe this aspect of his thought was one reason he got into trouble with the SS?

  770. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Dmitry


    If you know 21st century Poles, they don’t care about this. They have national identity as Poles, religious identity as Catholics and they don’t have preference for the slavic nationalities like Russian and (until few years) Ukrainians.
     
    These younger Poles aren't so Catholic anymore. However, they still have preference for some Western Slavic nationalities - Polish Czechophilia is quite inexplicable, being a kind of fascination with the other, unheroic model of Slavdom as well as with the "funny & childish" Czech language and Krtek cartoons. Last year in May I was in Praha and there was many, many Poles there, from Polish inland and not like me, from borderland. This is an unrequited love, though.

    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational - this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
    However, this does not translate into everyday life, where they organized, rational and soulless; so maybe is is just political and romantic myth - a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc - it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority. But this is not natural to them - in German school, Goethe's "Faust" must be heavily explained to them, so foreign to Germans it is now.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Coconuts

    …a pleasing one since it gives them feeling that they are deeper than they really are, that they are somehow above morality if needed etc – it is one of sources of their feeling of superiority.

    There is this book:

    The author develops the idea that volksgeist thinking transformed into extreme ethnic particularism meant that the idea of a general rational human moral community was rejected by the Nazis, so members of other ethnic groups didn’t necessarily have any moral standing. The author is French.

  771. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @Another Polish Perspective


    You are right that the collective consciousness/image of Germans is intuitive and irrational – this is one of reasons why they usually kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA.
     
    Well if you take the longer view and if you can ignore WWI & WWII (big if), Germans and Russians have historically gotten along quite well, they're natural partners in a dozen ways.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The idea that most Germans “kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA” is fantastical, opinion polls consistently show the opposite, and while “anti-Americanism” is regularly invoked in German public discourse as a kind of secular mortal sin (disliking the globohomo empire would be totally Nazi after all), “Russophobia” most certainly isn’t.
    “Another Polish perspective’s” comment reveals more about Polish obsessions than about German realities.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader

    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.
    On the other hand, I have never seen spontaneous expressions of sympathy to USA in Germany, except maybe few people interested in jazz music. You could of course say that the French appreciate culture too; but for some reason Germans have chosen Russia - I had a feeling they look for confirmation of their ingrained sympathies. In Poland, Russia is not a country of culture, so this German sympathy was also revealing their confirmation bias funded on their values maybe.

    However, there are some older Germans who dislike and are afraid of Russia - mostly with some family experience of warfare in Russia. I meet a granddaughter of one and she had this fear of "irrational" Russia: "Russia bad bad... everything can happen there."

    Replies: @German_reader

  772. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.
     
    Actually, the phrases in the video go much further than that, in the last sentence which is worth paying attention to, it describes the crux of what the war is over:

    "Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).
     
    This is a pure claim that Russia is entitled to Ukraine and that Ukraine is what almost sounds like a "founding" component of Russia.

    * literally, "something that cannot be taken away", indispensable. One talks about a country's core region that way.
    ** our own, or private, personal, something that belongs to one (such as one's property, собственность).
    *** sphere, realm, space, expanse, a word that comes awfully close to lebensraum.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

    Ukraine for us is not simply a neighboring country. It is an integral (неотъемлемая*) part of our own (собственнои) history, culture and spiritual sphere (пространства).

    Then why did you drive away the Ukrainians with your imperialistic policies instead of building a mutually beneficial partnership with them?

    Also, I thought all this carnage was about defending the rights of Russians living in the Donbas. What is all this blood and soil talk?

  773. @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    The idea that most Germans "kind of like Russia and kind of dislike USA" is fantastical, opinion polls consistently show the opposite, and while "anti-Americanism" is regularly invoked in German public discourse as a kind of secular mortal sin (disliking the globohomo empire would be totally Nazi after all), "Russophobia" most certainly isn't.
    "Another Polish perspective's" comment reveals more about Polish obsessions than about German realities.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.
    On the other hand, I have never seen spontaneous expressions of sympathy to USA in Germany, except maybe few people interested in jazz music. You could of course say that the French appreciate culture too; but for some reason Germans have chosen Russia – I had a feeling they look for confirmation of their ingrained sympathies. In Poland, Russia is not a country of culture, so this German sympathy was also revealing their confirmation bias funded on their values maybe.

    However, there are some older Germans who dislike and are afraid of Russia – mostly with some family experience of warfare in Russia. I meet a granddaughter of one and she had this fear of “irrational” Russia: “Russia bad bad… everything can happen there.”

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.
     
    Well, yes, the stereotype about Americans having no culture exists (to which the obvious retort of course is "German Kultur led to Auschwitz"), but it's been a long time since I last heard it.
    Have never heard someone in Germany express fascination for Russian culture...there's also the simple fact that apart from East Germans who attended the school system there before 1990 (so born in the 1970s at least) and immigrants from the former Soviet Union knowledge of the Russian language is very limited in Germany.
    Anyway, imo you're quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments (which you seem to have in spades, I suppose your stay in Germany was a traumatizing experience), not really interested in extensively discussing this. Believe what you want.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  774. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader

    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.
    On the other hand, I have never seen spontaneous expressions of sympathy to USA in Germany, except maybe few people interested in jazz music. You could of course say that the French appreciate culture too; but for some reason Germans have chosen Russia - I had a feeling they look for confirmation of their ingrained sympathies. In Poland, Russia is not a country of culture, so this German sympathy was also revealing their confirmation bias funded on their values maybe.

    However, there are some older Germans who dislike and are afraid of Russia - mostly with some family experience of warfare in Russia. I meet a granddaughter of one and she had this fear of "irrational" Russia: "Russia bad bad... everything can happen there."

    Replies: @German_reader

    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.

    Well, yes, the stereotype about Americans having no culture exists (to which the obvious retort of course is “German Kultur led to Auschwitz”), but it’s been a long time since I last heard it.
    Have never heard someone in Germany express fascination for Russian culture…there’s also the simple fact that apart from East Germans who attended the school system there before 1990 (so born in the 1970s at least) and immigrants from the former Soviet Union knowledge of the Russian language is very limited in Germany.
    Anyway, imo you’re quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments (which you seem to have in spades, I suppose your stay in Germany was a traumatizing experience), not really interested in extensively discussing this. Believe what you want.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Anyway, imo you’re quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgO8B5tnlU

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

  775. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Several Germans revealed to me their deep CULTURAL, not economical fascination with Russia; it was more in the sense that both Germans and Russians appreciate culture, whereas Americans do not.
     
    Well, yes, the stereotype about Americans having no culture exists (to which the obvious retort of course is "German Kultur led to Auschwitz"), but it's been a long time since I last heard it.
    Have never heard someone in Germany express fascination for Russian culture...there's also the simple fact that apart from East Germans who attended the school system there before 1990 (so born in the 1970s at least) and immigrants from the former Soviet Union knowledge of the Russian language is very limited in Germany.
    Anyway, imo you're quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments (which you seem to have in spades, I suppose your stay in Germany was a traumatizing experience), not really interested in extensively discussing this. Believe what you want.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Anyway, imo you’re quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: sudden death
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Poles annexed one fourth of German territory, expelled millions from there and killed a substantial amount in the process, got Germans to drop the matter entirely, and yet still whine constantly how they were never compensated at all. You have no grounds to complain about selective WW2 memory (but then I remember you're the kind of person who unironically talks about the "recovered" territories). So sorry, your silly little guilt-tripping act doesn't work on me.
    Anyway, you are an idiot whose comments generally are worthless trash, so I'm going to limit my interation with you to the minimum amount possible, anything else would be a waste of time.

    , @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Those skits are nicely done, this one could be dedicated to A123, lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9lD9r_fHs

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

  776. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    Tech will crash worse than it did in 2000
     
    Tech crashed last year. No, I didn't mean in some mystical future that never comes or that's decades away, but in the coming few years.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    True, but tech has further to crash.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    a lot further. A LOT

  777. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    My grandfather considered Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians as three regional variations of the same people. For him they were all brothers. He died in 1996. I am glad he didn't witness what followed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Your grandfather sounds like he was an enlightened individual, not some sort of ultra boorish imperial louse. I can’t see him paying homage to the Black Hundreds movement, like you’ve done. 🙁 At the very least, he’d probably hide his copy of Shevchenko’s Kobzar under his bed away from the eyes and purview of the Ukrainaphobic Black Hundreds, lest it be found and destroyed.

    I don’t see Dedo among this rabble rousing crowd anywhere?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    My grandfather was a communist. I am not. He is dead, I am not. Let's leave the dead rest in peace Mr Hack. That would be an appropriate sign of respect for the departed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  778. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    Media report like he is in prison because Ukrainian police believe he is an FSB agent or provocateur. Ukrainian media writing saying he has multiple names and 9 passports.

    Although for me it looks like a standard eccentric postsoviet trolling, with the standard unpredictable postsoviet results that you can go to prison because of your YouTube video.

    As for Jews' interest in Ukraine, outside of the postsoviet space (where older Jews in religious sense almost don't exist, but only people with Jewish roots, maybe people in the younger generation). Most won't know where Ukraine is), excluding Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov. Haredi pilgrims going to Breslov don't care where Ukraine is. It reminds of Poland, when Poland was hoping for investment or friendship, but Israelis just view Poland as a negative place which can be used for Holocaust education.

    If Ukraine will join the EU, hundreds of thousands of Israelis will apply for a Ukrainian passport. It's not because they want to live in Ukraine, they are not crazy. It's because they want to work or study in developed countries like Germany.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    As for Jews’ interest in Ukraine, outside of the postsoviet space (where older Jews in religious sense almost don’t exist, but only people with Jewish roots, maybe people in the younger generation).

    Don’t they teach them all about Babi Yar in the 3rd grade? Americans get this in junior high right after Auschwitz. It’s like Mecca then Medina.

  779. @German_reader
    @A123

    Pretty funny that you're writing this at a time when Israel has not just taken another step towards annexation of the West Bank, but when government members (!) have openly voiced support for settlers brutalizing Palestinians and burning down their homes.
    Israel is really getting quite comically extremist, there's barely even a pretense anymore that it's a Western-style "liberal democracy". Which is good, this will hopefully cause problems for Israel's supporters in the West.

    Replies: @A123

    Very sad that you ignored the incident that started the protest. Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews. People take justice into their own hands when that is their only option. Yes, it is usually clumsy and unfocused. However, what else do you expect?

    Ukie-stinians 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (in both Rammalah & Kiev) have become quite comically extremist. Their leaders are barely expressing a pretence about caring about their own citizens anymore. While tragic, there is a silver lining. This is causing problems for Ukie-stinian supporters in the West.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews.
     
    Murder is bad and in general I don't have all that much sympathy for the Palestinians either. But I'm not sure you can call it "unprovoked", they were literally two settlers driving through a Palestinian town.
    Also not sure about the "indigenous" part, I noticed both of the victims had blue (or at least blue-ish) eyes.

    Replies: @A123

  780. @Beckow
    @AP


    ....video with the parallels between Hitler’s claims
     
    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler. That's simply in the language, in the situation. Look up Tony Blair's speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo, or his French and German colleagues.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn't give up Donbas - that's where the war is. You again in a deceptive way by lying cherry-pick half the story. Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Any video claiming a right to self-determination for a minority has parallels with Hitler.

    It’s the combination of slogans about right to determination combined with justification for invasion and annexation that is special.

    Look up Tony Blair’s speeches about the right of Albanians to self-determination in Kosovo

    UK didn’t annex Kosovo for itself, nor conquer Serbia proper, as Hitler did Bohemia and Moravia, and Poland – or Putin did Kherson and Zaporoizhia and attempted to do in Kiev, Sumy, Kharkiv, etc.

    Ukraine may have given up de facto Crimea, but didn’t give up Donbas – that’s where the war is.

    Because for 8 years Russians continued to support fighters there without “formally” annexing the place, while they did not try expand out of Crimea.

    If Russia had treated Donbas like Crimea, there would have been no war and Ukraine would have de facto accepted this status as it did Crimea. If Russia had treated Donbas like NATO treated Kosovo, placing its troops there openly, recoginzing its independence from Ukraine, there also would have been de facto acceptance from Kiev.

    Rusia has created very different conditions in Donbas than in Crimea or Kosovo, so any comparison is false.

    Kiev had 8 years to accept autonomy for Donbas and they chose war instead.

    By similar logic, Czechoslovakia and Poland had about 20 years to accept autonomy for the Germans but instead chose war.

    By your logic, German occupation of Bohemia, Moravia, and Poland was a Czech and Polish choice.

    Which makes sense, because you belong to a nation that was Hitler’s only collaborators within Visegrad (your former masters, the Hungarians, were allies rather than collaborators). You accept the logic of those whose boots you lick.

  781. https://les.media/articles/762502-20-tezisov-pro-voynu-i-mir-for-landing

    Vitality Leibin, a Jewish Russian journalist born in Donbass has written an article that represents a sober assessment of this war. He ennonces 20 “theses” that describe this war in a balanced fashion and allow to understand those who are against this war on both sides of the conflict.

    Also, teenage kids in Ukraine have started organizing flash-mobs against war. I expect Russian kids to follow shortly. As I wrote a couple of times already, the generation of our children doesn’t give a dead rat’s ass about nationalism, imperialism or revanchism.

    They are connected through the internet to their peers accross the World, they can mock or insult each other online, but they want neither to kill or be killed for some abstract notions and interests of oligarchic elite clans. Even when they are righ-wing leaning they are probably more of libertarian or anarcho-capitalist persuasion than national socialist or fascist.

    They also want a future without “boomer conflicts” and they are right.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    In my partial translation, I don't think he adequately addressed the existential aspect of this war for Russia. The expansion of Nato is not designed merely to surround and corral Russia, it seems to be ultimately geared to dismantling and destruction. The Western people leading this long-term process do not understand or care that it will likely lead to nuclear war. Wiser heads would work to preserve the natural buffer zone around Russia. Sadly, this would be a huge diplomatic challenge under the best of times. And of course many of the people driving Western policies are either ex-Cold Warriors or long-time Russia haters.

    To summarize, my view includes the idea that Russia must fight in Ukraine to protect its natural sphere of influence specifically to prevent nuclear war.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    I believe Wokeness may be bringing out the 'Fascism beyond Fascism' that Antifa activists sometimes get preoccupied with:


    With another name, another face, and with nothing which betrays the projection from the past, with the form of a child we do not recognize and the head of a young Medusa, the Order of Sparta will be reborn: and paradoxically it will, without doubt, be the last bastion of Freedom and the sweetness of living.
     
    It's the serious part behind BAP's homo-Fash and frog trolling activities.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  782. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I think this is really what it’s all about.
     
    It's an extraordinary visit. I only hope that they don't take advantage of a bleeding Ukraine and, if they want to cooperate in agriculture, that this is fruitful and mutually beneficial. There is a lot of potential.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don’t think that Ukraine will not be defeated.
     
    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has "committed crimes against humanity" (this is even more serious than war crimes, it's a higher level). Yes, she might be annoying and all to many on this board, but it's pretty serious. For the victims it's important as well. I wish it were the UN to be the ones to announce something like this, not her. That the UN would have a backbone. But the UN, too, just came out with a document in support of Ukraine. So all those point in Ukraine's favor.

    That said, what I hear from their soldiers (many of them are on YouTube and report daily from the battlefield), that it is very very tough. The Ukrainian media channels and people such as Podolyak talk a lot about the victory, yes, they are frustrated, but they are convinced it's coming, however, I heard at least 2-3 officers in the last couple of days saying that the media are "hyping" it and that things are very tough. That yes, victory can happen, but only if everyone, the whole nation is consolidated. But the Ukrainians will not stop, there was a poll that said that even if there was a nuclear blast, 80 or 90% Ukrainians said they would continue fighting.


    The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.
     
    There won't be a stalemate unless the Ukes lose all the means to fight, then they will fight with grandfathers' rifles (they won't need to, Ukraine was full of firearms even before 2022). They are building up for the offensive, they need to prepare not just this huge scale operation itself, but also prepare from the humanitarian point of view. Prepare the population in the occupied parts as well.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine?
     
    They always grasp at such straws. This may happen that the Republicans start supporting Russia over Ukraine, with time (the younger batch of Republicans are already pretty supportive of Russia although who knows how they will be after age 40 or so) but it will not be in the nearest future but it would be vital now.

    As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.
     

    Ukraine needs to start building out its own MIC.

    Yes the West is dying.
     
    The West is dying very slowly, meaning, yes, there are these negative trends which are most likely fatal in the long term, but not in the near term. Besides there is still some health at the core. People on this website like to make fun about how the Western militaries are "fake and gay", fatsos or whatever. Well, guess what, yes, the US servicemen are on average heavier, but not all of them, but the European ones are lean, fit and well equipped. They may not be as badass as the best Ukrainian units (simply because they're not battle tested, if they had combat experience, many would do well besides many do from Afghanistan) and they may not be in sufficient numbers for a huge war, but that can be reorganized (but let's hope that that war doesn't happen anyway or that this one is it). So the West is nowhere near dead.

    China can never hope to compete with
     

    It would be really awful to have to compete with China. Some competition is inevitable, but a military technological, geopolitical competition would be a nightmare. It would be so much nicer to spend the century on something else, on something lighter, more pleasant.

    it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level
     
    This is true, because they finally feel threatened. Not all but many. They are also finally allowed to feel a bit "militaristic", it's possible that many Western Europeans always desired it deeply, but weren't allowed to express it because of political correctness. Now they get to live it out vicariously through Ukrainians (of course, their sympathy is genuine, I don't mean this in a negative or perverted way). Let's hope it doesn't go too far. Peace is a huge value, the most important one really, besides freedom. Freedom, peace, health... in that order.

    hyperinflationary breakdown
     

    Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?

    but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.
     
    The West can't force anything on Ukraine, the West can only cease supplying weapons and funding. However, the batch of military assistance that could make a difference is already on the way, even if a decision was made today to not deliver more assistance, this batch would still go through and have an effect on the battle field.

    The risk there is that if this happened, the West would be facing the reality that a large, aggressive country can get away with something like this kind of an invasion with everything that happened.

    Replies: @songbird, @S

    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has “committed crimes against humanity”

    There has been a Great Awokening in war.

    Great rhetoric for the revanchists and virtue-signalers on social media.

    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    One has to believe the original plan was to retire Not-The-President Biden after 2 years to give Not-The-VP Harris a running start at 10 years in office.

    Then she went on camera...

    https://youtu.be/sAb7b4O7Ibg

    The DNC desperately need to get rid of both of them. Harris 2024 is even more awful than Biden 2024. Propping up the near dead corpse in the Oval Office serves to keep Kamala at bay. We will have to wait for Democrat chicanery in their primary process.
    ____

    There is good news -- Trump 2024 is shaping up quite nicely. The recent rollout features tariffs as a key component: (1)


    The Golden Arrow – President Trump Announces Economic Agenda 47 Which Includes “Universal Baseline Tariffs”

     

    This is it. This is pure MAGA. President Trump is announcing the big one… “Economic Agenda 47"

    This is the economic policy blade to drive a stake through the vampire heart of corporatism, globalism and the exploitation of the U.S. economy by multinational corporate interests. This “universal baseline tariff” approach, is the policy that slays the dragons of the World Economic Forum, destroys the Beijing dragon and simultaneously ends the EU Marshal Plan advantage. This is a big deal.

    President Trump makes the economic policy announcement today, and it is an incredible structure of trade and economic proposals that would be resoundingly effective at restoring every financial mechanism within the United States as a sovereign country. The proposal is economic nationalism in policy form.

     

    To achieve this goal, we will phase in a system of universal, baseline tariffs on most foreign products. On top of this, higher tariffs will increase incrementally depending on how much individual foreign countries devalue their currency. They devalue their currency to take advantage of the United States, and they subsidize their industries, or otherwise engage in trade cheating and abuse. And they do it now like never before, and we had it largely stopped and it was going to be stopped completely within less than a year.
    ...
    We will revoke China’s Most Favored Nation trade status, and adopt a 4-year plan to phase out all Chinese imports of essential goods—everything from electronics to steel to pharmaceuticals. This will include strong protections to ensure China cannot circumvent restrictions by passing goods through conduit countries—countries that don’t make a product, but all of a sudden they’re making a lot of the product, it comes right through China, right out of China, and right into our country.

    We will also adopt new rules to stop U.S. companies from pouring investments into China, and to stop China from buying up America, allowing all of those investments that clearly serve American interests. We’re not going to allow bad things to happen to our country anymore. And we will eliminate federal contracts for any company that outsources to China.

    Biden will never get the job done. He is weak on China because the corrupt Biden family has received millions and millions of dollars from entities tied to the Chinese Communist Party. Everybody knows that. They try and hide it, and the Fake News doesn’t want to talk about it.
     
    Gradually decoupling from CCP exploitation is a key driver for MAGA Reindustrialization. Growing the U.S. economy is a necessity.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/27/the-golden-arrow-president-trump-announces-economic-agenda-47-which-includes-universal-baseline-tariffs/

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.
     
    This is not true, songbird. There are crowds of Western people who follow Ukraine online, groups such as NAFO, as well as private individuals on Twitter, where news about fallen Ukrainian soldiers are posted and everyone commiserates, everyone posts condolences and comments of support.

    Replies: @songbird

  783. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Your grandfather sounds like he was an enlightened individual, not some sort of ultra boorish imperial louse. I can't see him paying homage to the Black Hundreds movement, like you've done. :-( At the very least, he'd probably hide his copy of Shevchenko's Kobzar under his bed away from the eyes and purview of the Ukrainaphobic Black Hundreds, lest it be found and destroyed.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Chernosotenzy_v_odessa.jpg

    I don't see Dedo among this rabble rousing crowd anywhere?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    My grandfather was a communist. I am not. He is dead, I am not. Let’s leave the dead rest in peace Mr Hack. That would be an appropriate sign of respect for the departed.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with mentioning the dearly departed in a good and honest way, as I have done with your grandfather, Ivashka. Besides, you were the first to bring up his memory by mentioning that he was a Ukrainian that enjoyed reading Shevchenko. Selective censorship doesn't become you. :-(

  784. @LondonBob
    @LatW

    True, but tech has further to crash.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    a lot further. A LOT

  785. @QCIC
    @QCIC

    AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?

    I don't expect you to accept any of the premises of my original question, but it would be interesting to read your comments on the more general topic of the relationship of Jewish people to the conflict.

    As I have mentioned in the past, reading the comments of "Slava Ukraine" commenters such as yourself and the different views of more Russia-centric commenters such as Anon (I don't have a better neutral term) is very helpful to outsiders such as myself.

    Replies: @AP

    [theory that Jews want to take over Ukraine] AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?

    This idea was floated around in Polish nationalist circles before the Holocaust and before the creation of Israel. At the time, it was very implausible, but not completely impossible – perhaps 5% realistic. Back then, Jews were about 10% of Poland’s population. If millions of Jews had moved to Poland instead of to Israel they might have become 20% or 30% of Poland’s population.

    With such numbers, Europeans completely controlled South Africa and reduced the Africans to a status of semi-slavery, or serfdom. Of course, Poles are not Zulus and Bushmen and Jews are not Afrikaners. Basically a zero chance of that happening in Poland. But there was probably a 5% chance of a much lighter version of that (that is, a Poland dominated by Jews as America was historically dominated by WASPS and appears to be dominated by WASPS/Jews/Brahmins).

    AnoninTN to his credit provided a disclaimer. I would add to that, he stated that he left Lviv at the age of 4 or 5 and visited once. He knows almost nothing about that city and almost nothing about Ukraine in general, other than Donbas. He wrote the nonsense that Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine are as antisemitic as German Nazis (!!). The same population that 70% voted for a Jewish president.

    As for Ukrainian antisemtisim:

    Ukrainians are very un-PC and will make jokes and comments about Jews that would make Westerners blush. Ukrainians will openly say that Jews control much of the world economy, that Jewish women are very unattractive, etc.. In Lviv there is a Jewish-themed restaurant where customers can put on Hasid costumes for fun (including wigs with the peyses) and bargain for the price of the meal. In traditional Ukrainian Christmas performances, there is usually a Jewish character dressed as the stereotype. The Ukrainian word for Jew, Zhyd (identical to the Polish word) is a slur in the Russian language. So when Ukrainian nationalists insist on using the Ukrainian word for Jew rather than the Russian word (Evrei, or Hebrew) they are accused of antisemitism.

    But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.

    Here is a pew poll about whether people were unwilling to accept Jews as citizens. Ukrainians were the least antisemitic people in Eastern Europe, basically tied with Serbs and Bulgarians:

    This figure is about the same for Catholics in Ukraine (4%) as it is for Orthodox (5%), so it is a lie that Galicians are more antisemitic than other Ukrainians:

    An interesting nuance is that Galicians do not accept marriage with Jews. 48% are opposed to Jews in their family, second highest among Eastern Europe’s Catholics and higher than all non-Caucasian and non-Balkan Orthodox. Non-Galician Ukrainians, in contrast, are much more open to marriage with Jews than are Russians. Only 29% of Orthodox Ukrainians oppose having Jews in their family, versus 37% of Orthodox Russians.

    As for takin over Ukraine – Ukraine had around 35 million people before the invasion. Only .2% of those were Jewish. There were more ethnic Poles in Ukraine than Jews. So the idea of Ukraine becoming a new Jewish homeland is very silly.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Why making a colony one's homeland ?

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1 ?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    "But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support."

    with Jews you lose. The price tag is enormous.

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    AP, thank you for this detailed reply.

    The reason for asking this question of you and Anon is not just to learn more about your positions, but to sample the integrated position of those Ukrainians in your personal networks which may be quite different than your own outlook.

    I was also a bit surprised by Anon's comment on violent antisemitism amongst various Ukrainian groups, including Russians. Assuming it wasn't subtle humor, I took it to mean the war and outside meddling since 2014 have increased the latent animosity to a boiling point. You alluded to some of this animosity in your description. I might view those things as simple humor, but modern woke Jewish people would likely regard the Ukrainian behavior you described as a strong antisemitic pattern.

    A hypothetical crazy plan to take over the area would be a long-term effort with various phases.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  786. @LatW
    @Beckow


    It always comes down to a dilemma: self-determination vs. borders.
     
    This is of course a classical problem. But that's not all that this is about..

    It's not really about "minorities" as you say. He wants the whole country.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …It’s not really about “minorities” as you say. He wants the whole country.

    Recent history says that is not true: Russia insisted on the Minsk deal for 8 years while watching Nato rearm Ukraine. You are projecting your fears and prejudices.

    Russia may end with more than they wanted due to military and security buffer concerns. But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.
     
    Two things: 1) Russians (plus Ukrainians whose feeling one old lady expressed on camera saying “they are Russians – katsaps, we are Russians – hohols”) are the overwhelming majority in Donbass; 2) history has no subjunctive mood.

    Replies: @Beckow

  787. @AP
    @QCIC


    [theory that Jews want to take over Ukraine] AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?
     
    This idea was floated around in Polish nationalist circles before the Holocaust and before the creation of Israel. At the time, it was very implausible, but not completely impossible - perhaps 5% realistic. Back then, Jews were about 10% of Poland's population. If millions of Jews had moved to Poland instead of to Israel they might have become 20% or 30% of Poland's population.

    With such numbers, Europeans completely controlled South Africa and reduced the Africans to a status of semi-slavery, or serfdom. Of course, Poles are not Zulus and Bushmen and Jews are not Afrikaners. Basically a zero chance of that happening in Poland. But there was probably a 5% chance of a much lighter version of that (that is, a Poland dominated by Jews as America was historically dominated by WASPS and appears to be dominated by WASPS/Jews/Brahmins).

    AnoninTN to his credit provided a disclaimer. I would add to that, he stated that he left Lviv at the age of 4 or 5 and visited once. He knows almost nothing about that city and almost nothing about Ukraine in general, other than Donbas. He wrote the nonsense that Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine are as antisemitic as German Nazis (!!). The same population that 70% voted for a Jewish president.

    As for Ukrainian antisemtisim:

    Ukrainians are very un-PC and will make jokes and comments about Jews that would make Westerners blush. Ukrainians will openly say that Jews control much of the world economy, that Jewish women are very unattractive, etc.. In Lviv there is a Jewish-themed restaurant where customers can put on Hasid costumes for fun (including wigs with the peyses) and bargain for the price of the meal. In traditional Ukrainian Christmas performances, there is usually a Jewish character dressed as the stereotype. The Ukrainian word for Jew, Zhyd (identical to the Polish word) is a slur in the Russian language. So when Ukrainian nationalists insist on using the Ukrainian word for Jew rather than the Russian word (Evrei, or Hebrew) they are accused of antisemitism.

    But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.

    Here is a pew poll about whether people were unwilling to accept Jews as citizens. Ukrainians were the least antisemitic people in Eastern Europe, basically tied with Serbs and Bulgarians:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FT_18.03.26_polandHolocaustLaws_map.png

    This figure is about the same for Catholics in Ukraine (4%) as it is for Orthodox (5%), so it is a lie that Galicians are more antisemitic than other Ukrainians:

    https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/05/08150550/PF.05.10.2017_CE.europe-08-01.png

    An interesting nuance is that Galicians do not accept marriage with Jews. 48% are opposed to Jews in their family, second highest among Eastern Europe's Catholics and higher than all non-Caucasian and non-Balkan Orthodox. Non-Galician Ukrainians, in contrast, are much more open to marriage with Jews than are Russians. Only 29% of Orthodox Ukrainians oppose having Jews in their family, versus 37% of Orthodox Russians.

    As for takin over Ukraine - Ukraine had around 35 million people before the invasion. Only .2% of those were Jewish. There were more ethnic Poles in Ukraine than Jews. So the idea of Ukraine becoming a new Jewish homeland is very silly.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Why making a colony one’s homeland ?

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1 ?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Why making a colony one’s homeland ?
     
    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.
     
    That's not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn't a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1
     
    Probably negligible.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm starting to detect a sloppy habit of yours, Ivashka. You're using old nomenclature for Ukraine and Ukrainians that wasn't in use during the time periods that you're alluding to. By the beginning of the 20th century it is more proper to refer to the autochthonic inhabitants of Ukraine as "Ukrainians" not as "Ruthenians" nor the country as "Malorussia", but Ukraine. Somebody of your high intelligence should be sensitive to these matters?...just saying. :-)

  788. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...isolate China, completely unacceptable from a point of core national interests...why people who think this needs to end with a total Russian defeat are crazy.
     
    I agree. There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is very high. In the unlikely scenario that Nato succeeds in a preventive first strike - some idiots dream that Russia's nukes don't work, since 'nothing works in Russia' - we would still have a nuked world forever, both materially and philosophically.

    Most likely outcome is a Russian victory - defined as control over large parts of Ukraine - and a battle line in E Europe preventing any economic cooperation.

    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world...
    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.

    In the longer run it is also very bad for US since it depends on its Euro-satrapies for credibility and $-god-like-status. US has also lost the ability to kick-around smaller Third World countries given that Russia-China would almost certainly oppose it now - so the 'global police' is mostly gone.

    This has been fun, probably the biggest group of morons in power since WW2...

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world…

    Agree.

    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.

    You are wrong.

    Ukraine’s status as winner or loser will depend on how much territory it retains/gets back, and how quickly it will be integrated with EU and the amount of redevelopment aid it receives. This is to be determined. Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears and Ukraine becomes an ethnic Ukrainian mono-state. Balanced with the loss of some territory and population, makes Ukraine a slight winner.

    Poland wins. It gets a few million hard-working young Ukrainians who will stay. It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine (Polish firms already have many of the contracts), becomes the largest land army in Europe.

    Your desperate wish for Ukraine and Poland to be losers as a result of this war is just sour grapes.

    Russia loses the most. Wastes a lot of its military and resources on this war, ends up isolated and dependent on China who will dictate to Russia the prices of the commodities Russia will be obligated to sell to its very senior partner.

    Of course, from the perspective of loss of life, Ukraine is the biggest loser. A slight win in this war isn’t worth the deaths of 100,000+. But it did not choose to this war, Russia chose to invade it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...A slight win in this war isn’t worth the deaths of 100,000+
     
    At least we agree on that. But it was a choice - Kiev chose to escalate (or was told to), they could had ended a year ago with basically a Minsk deal enforced militarily by Russia. Bad, but not as bad as what they have now.

    Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears...Poland wins...It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine ...becomes the largest land army in Europe.
     
    You are valiantly and desperately trying to stay cheerful. The reality is that if Kiev loses in Donbas they will lose more - it is hard to stop a winning army, the Donbas 8-years of cement-steel barriers are mostly lacking further west, although they are probably busily building them now. The 'reserves' will be eventually returned and they amount to $300 billion - slightly less than Western investments that are frozen in Russia. When it comes to a deal, Kiev will be less important than the Western investors.

    I don't see Ukie integration with Europe - EU is basically broke, it needs a quite decade to get back to where it was in 2015. It has no money or interest in expanding to more poorer regions - that train has left, most of EU even regrets admitting Bulgaria-Romania and the giddy expansion plans are very unpopular.

    Poland will lose as the new heavily armed border: 'largest army' means less money and nobody invests in potential battlefields - sine qua non of all investments. But keep on dreaming, what else you got?

    Replies: @AP

  789. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    There is also the reality that Russia has nukes, in the case of an all-out assault by the West the chance of Russia using them is high.
     
    In case of a fight over Crimea definitely a real possibility. Which Russian government would give up such a strategically central area (one that's also full of Russians...who would presumably be expelled if Ukraine re-acquires control over the peninsula, no regime would survive such scenes) without escalating to prevent such an outcome?

    Most likely outcome of this war will be a Russian victory – defined as control over a large part of Ukraine
     
    Probably a kind of "Pyrrhic" victory though. I don't think the more extreme Russian goals that were talked about during the earlier stages of the war (like annexation of the entire Black sea coast) are achievable (nor do I personally regard them as legitimate). And given the costs of the entire enterprise to Russia, there's a real question whether it will have been worth it even from a narrow pov of Russian national interests.
    I mostly agree with the rest of your points. Outlook for Europe is certainly bleak, and yes, eventually that will also impact US power (also should be hard to spin the US role in Europe as purely benevolent hegemony, given something as egregious as the North Stream sabotage...even if discussion of that will be kept under a lid in Europe, the rest of the world must notice and draw possibly unwanted conclusions about the dangers of getting too close to the US). And after what the Americans have allegedly done in Ukraine (directly helping the Ukrainians to kill Russian generals and sink a major naval vessel, possibly also enabling that attack on a strategic nuclear bomber airbase in Russia herself), the Russian military and security circles must feel a strong desire to get revenge and reciprocate if the US is embroiled in a war against some other adversary.
    Real disaster, baffling how one could fuck up the possibility for positive change that arose in the 1990s so badly.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …In case of a fight over Crimea definitely a real possibility.

    Plus Donbas – today no government in Moscow can fail to protect the Donbas Russians. It could be a nuke demonstration on some remote Galician city or in the Black Sea, but if Crimea and Donbas are at risk of being overrun by the vengeful Ukies the odds are at least 50% that Russia would use nukes. Then we can all belly-ache about it for centuries, or probably not…

    “Pyrrhic” victory though. I don’t think the more extreme Russian goals that were talked about during the earlier stages of the war

    The Pyrrhic meme gets a lot of overuse: the narrow meaning of the term is winning a battle but losing so much logistical support and manpower that one can’t go on fighting – that’s Pyrrha. I don’t see it with Russia, and one can argue that for Kiev it would also be a ‘Pyrrhic victory. Win is a win, better than a loss…

    We don’t know what Russia’s goals were – or are – there are the official claims, or we can project paranoid Polish-Ukie-Balt fantasies “Russia wants everything, all the way to Pyrenees!!”

    More likely Russia’s goals are modest – kind of what they said: prevent Nato in Ukraine and protect the Russian minority living there. They probably also want as much of the chernozem lands and Black Sea coast as they can get. And probably an emasculated, demilitarized rump Ukraine in the center-west. But as with all goals they are aspirational and negotiable. Painting a devil on the wall and screaming “Russia!!! Russia!!!” doesn’t help anyone – least of all the Ukies.

  790. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...It’s not really about “minorities” as you say. He wants the whole country.
     
    Recent history says that is not true: Russia insisted on the Minsk deal for 8 years while watching Nato rearm Ukraine. You are projecting your fears and prejudices.

    Russia may end with more than they wanted due to military and security buffer concerns. But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.

    Two things: 1) Russians (plus Ukrainians whose feeling one old lady expressed on camera saying “they are Russians – katsaps, we are Russians – hohols”) are the overwhelming majority in Donbass; 2) history has no subjunctive mood.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, it is the past and we are beyond that.

    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk - that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims. It was Kiev that rejected Minsk. The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine - plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion. It matters, because the assignment of crazy aggressive Russian goals is also how these people motivate themselves...and lie to their misinformed people.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  791. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Why making a colony one's homeland ?

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1 ?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Why making a colony one’s homeland ?

    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.

    That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1

    Probably negligible.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.
     
    With today's communications it's quite doable. You just need local management.

    That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.
     
    Doesn't change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the "colonial metropole" offshores.

    Have you heard of the "cryptocolony" concept ?

    https://traditio.wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept - a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses. If another ethnic group profits more, while a local ethnic group loses more, and the locals cannot change the situation to reorient it in their favor, then the locals are not truly independent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis


    Probably negligible.
     
    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates (for example sugar beets production farms).

    I trust your data to be more reliable than the one I read back then in Russian antisemitic literature. They probably exaggerated.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

  792. @AP
    @QCIC


    [theory that Jews want to take over Ukraine] AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?
     
    This idea was floated around in Polish nationalist circles before the Holocaust and before the creation of Israel. At the time, it was very implausible, but not completely impossible - perhaps 5% realistic. Back then, Jews were about 10% of Poland's population. If millions of Jews had moved to Poland instead of to Israel they might have become 20% or 30% of Poland's population.

    With such numbers, Europeans completely controlled South Africa and reduced the Africans to a status of semi-slavery, or serfdom. Of course, Poles are not Zulus and Bushmen and Jews are not Afrikaners. Basically a zero chance of that happening in Poland. But there was probably a 5% chance of a much lighter version of that (that is, a Poland dominated by Jews as America was historically dominated by WASPS and appears to be dominated by WASPS/Jews/Brahmins).

    AnoninTN to his credit provided a disclaimer. I would add to that, he stated that he left Lviv at the age of 4 or 5 and visited once. He knows almost nothing about that city and almost nothing about Ukraine in general, other than Donbas. He wrote the nonsense that Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine are as antisemitic as German Nazis (!!). The same population that 70% voted for a Jewish president.

    As for Ukrainian antisemtisim:

    Ukrainians are very un-PC and will make jokes and comments about Jews that would make Westerners blush. Ukrainians will openly say that Jews control much of the world economy, that Jewish women are very unattractive, etc.. In Lviv there is a Jewish-themed restaurant where customers can put on Hasid costumes for fun (including wigs with the peyses) and bargain for the price of the meal. In traditional Ukrainian Christmas performances, there is usually a Jewish character dressed as the stereotype. The Ukrainian word for Jew, Zhyd (identical to the Polish word) is a slur in the Russian language. So when Ukrainian nationalists insist on using the Ukrainian word for Jew rather than the Russian word (Evrei, or Hebrew) they are accused of antisemitism.

    But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.

    Here is a pew poll about whether people were unwilling to accept Jews as citizens. Ukrainians were the least antisemitic people in Eastern Europe, basically tied with Serbs and Bulgarians:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FT_18.03.26_polandHolocaustLaws_map.png

    This figure is about the same for Catholics in Ukraine (4%) as it is for Orthodox (5%), so it is a lie that Galicians are more antisemitic than other Ukrainians:

    https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/05/08150550/PF.05.10.2017_CE.europe-08-01.png

    An interesting nuance is that Galicians do not accept marriage with Jews. 48% are opposed to Jews in their family, second highest among Eastern Europe's Catholics and higher than all non-Caucasian and non-Balkan Orthodox. Non-Galician Ukrainians, in contrast, are much more open to marriage with Jews than are Russians. Only 29% of Orthodox Ukrainians oppose having Jews in their family, versus 37% of Orthodox Russians.

    As for takin over Ukraine - Ukraine had around 35 million people before the invasion. Only .2% of those were Jewish. There were more ethnic Poles in Ukraine than Jews. So the idea of Ukraine becoming a new Jewish homeland is very silly.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    “But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.”

    with Jews you lose. The price tag is enormous.

  793. @AP
    @Beckow


    Winners: China, USA, Turkey, India and most of the non-European world…
     
    Agree.

    Losers in this order: UKRAINE (above all), E Europe becoming an armed backwater, Poland-Balts above all, Germany-EU, and Russia due to its relative isolation.
     
    You are wrong.

    Ukraine's status as winner or loser will depend on how much territory it retains/gets back, and how quickly it will be integrated with EU and the amount of redevelopment aid it receives. This is to be determined. Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears and Ukraine becomes an ethnic Ukrainian mono-state. Balanced with the loss of some territory and population, makes Ukraine a slight winner.

    Poland wins. It gets a few million hard-working young Ukrainians who will stay. It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine (Polish firms already have many of the contracts), becomes the largest land army in Europe.

    Your desperate wish for Ukraine and Poland to be losers as a result of this war is just sour grapes.

    Russia loses the most. Wastes a lot of its military and resources on this war, ends up isolated and dependent on China who will dictate to Russia the prices of the commodities Russia will be obligated to sell to its very senior partner.

    Of course, from the perspective of loss of life, Ukraine is the biggest loser. A slight win in this war isn't worth the deaths of 100,000+. But it did not choose to this war, Russia chose to invade it.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …A slight win in this war isn’t worth the deaths of 100,000+

    At least we agree on that. But it was a choice – Kiev chose to escalate (or was told to), they could had ended a year ago with basically a Minsk deal enforced militarily by Russia. Bad, but not as bad as what they have now.

    Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears…Poland wins…It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine …becomes the largest land army in Europe.

    You are valiantly and desperately trying to stay cheerful. The reality is that if Kiev loses in Donbas they will lose more – it is hard to stop a winning army, the Donbas 8-years of cement-steel barriers are mostly lacking further west, although they are probably busily building them now. The ‘reserves’ will be eventually returned and they amount to $300 billion – slightly less than Western investments that are frozen in Russia. When it comes to a deal, Kiev will be less important than the Western investors.

    I don’t see Ukie integration with Europe – EU is basically broke, it needs a quite decade to get back to where it was in 2015. It has no money or interest in expanding to more poorer regions – that train has left, most of EU even regrets admitting Bulgaria-Romania and the giddy expansion plans are very unpopular.

    Poland will lose as the new heavily armed border: ‘largest army’ means less money and nobody invests in potential battlefields – sine qua non of all investments. But keep on dreaming, what else you got?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    At least we agree on that. But it was a choice – Kiev chose to escalate (or was told to), they could had ended a year ago with basically a Minsk deal enforced militarily by Russia. Bad, but not as bad as what they have now.
     
    Russia demanded that Ukraine surrender its sovereignty to Russia. This demand was Russia's choice. Ukraine could have "chosen" to surrender its sovereignty without a fight, as Czechia chose to surrender to Germany without a fight (unlike Poland). But in all of these cases the one to blame is the invader.

    You are valiantly and desperately trying to stay cheerful.
     
    No, it's just realism. Like stating a year ago that Russia would not conquer most of Ukraine in a few weeks.

    The reality is that if Kiev loses in Donbas they will lose more – it is hard to stop a winning army,
     
    It depends on the nature of the loss. If Russia takes the rest of Donbas in a quick lightning strike, Ukraine might indeed be at risk of much greater losses. If Russia takes the rest of Donbas after many months, while losing 10,000s of its troops killed and depleting more of its equipment, then no. In that case Russia will simply be closer to the point of exhaustion, while having gained little of value.

    The reverse is also true, of course. If Ukraine suddenly successfully strikes south and grabs large pieces of the land bridge, northern Crimea will be in danger. But if Ukraine loses 10,000s to retake the Bakhmut suburbs in 3 months, it will just be closer to the point of exhaustion.

    The most likely scenario is that both sides will just get exhausted in a few months, or a year, with modest territorial changes. Though if one side breaks through it is more likely to be the Ukrainian one.


    The ‘reserves’ will be eventually returned and they amount to $300 billion – slightly less than Western investments that are frozen in Russia.
     
    The process of giving them to Ukraine has begun. Unlike the $300 billion in Russian currency reserves frozen by the West these Western investments aren't cash (IIRC it was only about $20 billion or so, but I could be wrong) but mostly goods. Russia has grabbed a bunch of airplanes, for example. They are a fraction of what the West has and have been written off as a cost of doing business in an unreliable country, like the losses in places such as Venezuela. Russia keeping them will simply mean that Westerners will be less likely to invest in Russia in the future. Another Russian loss.

    I don’t see Ukie integration with Europe – EU is basically broke, it needs a quite decade to get back to where it was in 2015.
     
    Ukrainian integration with Europe accelerates as a result of the Russian invasion. It may receive less than Poland did, but it will be enough.

    Poland will lose as the new heavily armed border: ‘largest army’ means less money and nobody invests in potential battlefields
     
    You must have never heard of South Korea, or West Germany during the Cold War.
  794. @AP
    @QCIC


    [theory that Jews want to take over Ukraine] AP, I was considering asking you a similar question. How about it?
     
    This idea was floated around in Polish nationalist circles before the Holocaust and before the creation of Israel. At the time, it was very implausible, but not completely impossible - perhaps 5% realistic. Back then, Jews were about 10% of Poland's population. If millions of Jews had moved to Poland instead of to Israel they might have become 20% or 30% of Poland's population.

    With such numbers, Europeans completely controlled South Africa and reduced the Africans to a status of semi-slavery, or serfdom. Of course, Poles are not Zulus and Bushmen and Jews are not Afrikaners. Basically a zero chance of that happening in Poland. But there was probably a 5% chance of a much lighter version of that (that is, a Poland dominated by Jews as America was historically dominated by WASPS and appears to be dominated by WASPS/Jews/Brahmins).

    AnoninTN to his credit provided a disclaimer. I would add to that, he stated that he left Lviv at the age of 4 or 5 and visited once. He knows almost nothing about that city and almost nothing about Ukraine in general, other than Donbas. He wrote the nonsense that Ukrainians and Russians in Ukraine are as antisemitic as German Nazis (!!). The same population that 70% voted for a Jewish president.

    As for Ukrainian antisemtisim:

    Ukrainians are very un-PC and will make jokes and comments about Jews that would make Westerners blush. Ukrainians will openly say that Jews control much of the world economy, that Jewish women are very unattractive, etc.. In Lviv there is a Jewish-themed restaurant where customers can put on Hasid costumes for fun (including wigs with the peyses) and bargain for the price of the meal. In traditional Ukrainian Christmas performances, there is usually a Jewish character dressed as the stereotype. The Ukrainian word for Jew, Zhyd (identical to the Polish word) is a slur in the Russian language. So when Ukrainian nationalists insist on using the Ukrainian word for Jew rather than the Russian word (Evrei, or Hebrew) they are accused of antisemitism.

    But Ukrainians are generally not antisemitic if by antisemitism you mean hatred and/or a wish to discriminate against or persecute Jews. They are the only people in Europe who have voted for a Jewish president, and are happy with Zelensky and grateful for Jewish support.

    Here is a pew poll about whether people were unwilling to accept Jews as citizens. Ukrainians were the least antisemitic people in Eastern Europe, basically tied with Serbs and Bulgarians:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FT_18.03.26_polandHolocaustLaws_map.png

    This figure is about the same for Catholics in Ukraine (4%) as it is for Orthodox (5%), so it is a lie that Galicians are more antisemitic than other Ukrainians:

    https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/05/08150550/PF.05.10.2017_CE.europe-08-01.png

    An interesting nuance is that Galicians do not accept marriage with Jews. 48% are opposed to Jews in their family, second highest among Eastern Europe's Catholics and higher than all non-Caucasian and non-Balkan Orthodox. Non-Galician Ukrainians, in contrast, are much more open to marriage with Jews than are Russians. Only 29% of Orthodox Ukrainians oppose having Jews in their family, versus 37% of Orthodox Russians.

    As for takin over Ukraine - Ukraine had around 35 million people before the invasion. Only .2% of those were Jewish. There were more ethnic Poles in Ukraine than Jews. So the idea of Ukraine becoming a new Jewish homeland is very silly.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    AP, thank you for this detailed reply.

    The reason for asking this question of you and Anon is not just to learn more about your positions, but to sample the integrated position of those Ukrainians in your personal networks which may be quite different than your own outlook.

    I was also a bit surprised by Anon’s comment on violent antisemitism amongst various Ukrainian groups, including Russians. Assuming it wasn’t subtle humor, I took it to mean the war and outside meddling since 2014 have increased the latent animosity to a boiling point. You alluded to some of this animosity in your description. I might view those things as simple humor, but modern woke Jewish people would likely regard the Ukrainian behavior you described as a strong antisemitic pattern.

    A hypothetical crazy plan to take over the area would be a long-term effort with various phases.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Igor Gekko, Igor Berkut/ Garry Ber-kut in his videos was trolling both Jewish political and economic elites of Ukraine as well as Ukrainian nationalists who on the one hand talk about giving the boot to Zhido-Moskals, but on the other gladly serv under the Jews who are in positions of power.

    Exactly the same kind of videos could be done about Russia too and would also end up with the authors being put in jail there.

    , @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    In the normal stereotype of the USSR, the racism and antisemitism is high in West and low in East.

    It also has specific waves in time, as it was controlled from top-down and promoted by security services. So, there was wave of antisemitism in 1949-1954 promoted by Stalin. And there was wave of antisemitism in the end of 1970s to 1990s which was promoted or managed by the KGB. In 1990s it was peaking and mainstream. But after 2000 in Russia, antisemitism was banned by the top-down, while in Ukraine it wasn't.

    Ukraine had historically antisemitism and the general racism. It was an area of tribal violence in the 20th century between multiple nationalities. But I think Moscow had quite a lot of the racism as well in the late 20th century.

    But as you go more East in the USSR, the multinational culture and tolerance was more of the natural culture. We still have this stereotype today (I don't believe so accurate) people are more independent thinking and tolerant, more critical about authorities.

    I remember when I was a young child, people of Ukrainian roots, were often proud of having Ukrainian roots. And more recently, just 10 years ago, it would be like this. But I guess today, people will avoid talk about their Ukrainian roots.

    Secret Ukrainian neonazis are preparing attacks and sabotage and generally it's not fashionable.
    https://susanin.news/russia/incidents/20230201-299463/

  795. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Why making a colony one’s homeland ?
     
    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.
     
    That's not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn't a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1
     
    Probably negligible.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.

    With today’s communications it’s quite doable. You just need local management.

    That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.

    Doesn’t change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole” offshores.

    Have you heard of the “cryptocolony” concept ?

    https://traditio.wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept – a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses. If another ethnic group profits more, while a local ethnic group loses more, and the locals cannot change the situation to reorient it in their favor, then the locals are not truly independent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis

    Probably negligible.

    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates (for example sugar beets production farms).

    I trust your data to be more reliable than the one I read back then in Russian antisemitic literature. They probably exaggerated.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    "That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one."

    Doesn’t change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole” offshores.
     
    The largest company in Sweden, Volvo, is owned by the Chinese. Does that mean that Sweden is becoming a Chinese colony?

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept – a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses.
     
    It's interesting but not a matter of two different populations but of small family groups or friend networks getting rich internationally.

    America has been traditionally dominated by a few hundred WASP families although Jews and most recently upper caste Indians have gotten into the mix also. This does not mean that America is a people colonized by WASPS, no more than Britian is a colony of the Normans.

    A colonial relationship would be something like Rhodesia and old South Africa, Algeria before the French were expelled, Ireland prior to independence.

    Probably negligible. [Jewish ownership of lands in Galicia]

    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates
     
    In Galicia the large agricultural estates were rarely in Jewish hands, but most often noble hands (mostly but not exclusively Polish). Something that outraged the Ruthenian/Ukrainian peasants was when the Polish nationalist government broke up some of those estates and gave the lands not the surrounding Ruthenian/Ukrainian peasants but to Polish colonists.

    Jews owned things like slaughterhouses and taverns. The rich ones owned factories or were involved in the oil business (Galicia was once a major center of oil production):

    https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/at-the-beginning-of-the-20th-century-boryslav-was-the-worlds-third-largest-producer-of-oil-after-pennsylvania-and-baku-vladyslava-moskalets/

    Galician Ukrainians started joining cooperatives on a massive scale, which basically drove a lot of the Jewish middlemen (such as slaughterhouse owners) into impoverishment and out of business. This contributed to largescale emigration of Jews out of Galicia:



    https://i.imgur.com/2o8llgk.png

    https://i.imgur.com/2tSKivK.png
    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Before the war, Ukraine's informatics industry was moving to partly outsourcing colony of Tel Aviv/Haifa/Herzliya.

    There is nothing very exciting though, it's just related to the lower cost of the labor. It's a result of economics forces.

    But my impression the younger startups entrepreneurs in Kiev is disproportionate Jewish roots culture.

    If you were in social media of the startup group in Kiev, it was half of the young Kiev entrepreneurs posting about their Jewish roots.

    They also often have a lot of the LGBT interest, feminism. Basically, stereotype of generation Z nerds.

    It's kind of funny stereotype that would be popular in the West https://tinyurl.com/bdfty37r that would confuse German_reader, A123 as they can harmonize all the fashionable things like Jewish roots, hi-tech industry, liberal culture to the Ukrainian nationalism.


    -

    Numerically though, most of the informatics workers in Ukraine will not have Jewish roots.

    Secular Jewish schools in Ukraine does focus on the IT outsourcing industry. But this can be more showing wider priorities of the middle class in Ukraine.
    http://www.ortlyceum.kiev.ua/page/rozklad_zanyat/schedule/11_a

    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802


    dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole
     
    Postsoviet billionaires are in feudal-aristocratic social position. More closed and the smaller the number of the elite, the less competition and larger their part of cake.

    They don't want to accept people from outside their clique, they don't want to minimize their size, like godfathers of MS-13 or the British aristocracy.

    But you know life in the region, our elite is small and closed, our slave workers are large and open. Young slave workers, selling Chinese products to the captive market for $1,80 per hour, is a space of tolerance and antiracism. Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gH8IDKwO4

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

  796. @songbird
    @LatW


    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has “committed crimes against humanity”
     
    There has been a Great Awokening in war.

    Great rhetoric for the revanchists and virtue-signalers on social media.

    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    One has to believe the original plan was to retire Not-The-President Biden after 2 years to give Not-The-VP Harris a running start at 10 years in office.

    Then she went on camera…

    The DNC desperately need to get rid of both of them. Harris 2024 is even more awful than Biden 2024. Propping up the near dead corpse in the Oval Office serves to keep Kamala at bay. We will have to wait for Democrat chicanery in their primary process.
    ____

    There is good news — Trump 2024 is shaping up quite nicely. The recent rollout features tariffs as a key component: (1)

    The Golden Arrow – President Trump Announces Economic Agenda 47 Which Includes “Universal Baseline Tariffs”

    This is it. This is pure MAGA. President Trump is announcing the big one… “Economic Agenda 47″

    This is the economic policy blade to drive a stake through the vampire heart of corporatism, globalism and the exploitation of the U.S. economy by multinational corporate interests. This “universal baseline tariff” approach, is the policy that slays the dragons of the World Economic Forum, destroys the Beijing dragon and simultaneously ends the EU Marshal Plan advantage. This is a big deal.

    President Trump makes the economic policy announcement today, and it is an incredible structure of trade and economic proposals that would be resoundingly effective at restoring every financial mechanism within the United States as a sovereign country. The proposal is economic nationalism in policy form.

    To achieve this goal, we will phase in a system of universal, baseline tariffs on most foreign products. On top of this, higher tariffs will increase incrementally depending on how much individual foreign countries devalue their currency. They devalue their currency to take advantage of the United States, and they subsidize their industries, or otherwise engage in trade cheating and abuse. And they do it now like never before, and we had it largely stopped and it was going to be stopped completely within less than a year.

    We will revoke China’s Most Favored Nation trade status, and adopt a 4-year plan to phase out all Chinese imports of essential goods—everything from electronics to steel to pharmaceuticals. This will include strong protections to ensure China cannot circumvent restrictions by passing goods through conduit countries—countries that don’t make a product, but all of a sudden they’re making a lot of the product, it comes right through China, right out of China, and right into our country.

    We will also adopt new rules to stop U.S. companies from pouring investments into China, and to stop China from buying up America, allowing all of those investments that clearly serve American interests. We’re not going to allow bad things to happen to our country anymore. And we will eliminate federal contracts for any company that outsources to China.

    Biden will never get the job done. He is weak on China because the corrupt Biden family has received millions and millions of dollars from entities tied to the Chinese Communist Party. Everybody knows that. They try and hide it, and the Fake News doesn’t want to talk about it.

    Gradually decoupling from CCP exploitation is a key driver for MAGA Reindustrialization. Growing the U.S. economy is a necessity.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/27/the-golden-arrow-president-trump-announces-economic-agenda-47-which-includes-universal-baseline-tariffs/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Nobody with an SOI (Sociosexual Orientation Inventory) as high as Kamala's should be allowed to be dog-catcher, let alone VP.

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @S

  797. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    But at least until 2021 a decent deal for the Russian Donbas minority would have ended the crisis.
     
    Two things: 1) Russians (plus Ukrainians whose feeling one old lady expressed on camera saying “they are Russians – katsaps, we are Russians – hohols”) are the overwhelming majority in Donbass; 2) history has no subjunctive mood.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Sure, it is the past and we are beyond that.

    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk – that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims. It was Kiev that rejected Minsk. The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine – plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion. It matters, because the assignment of crazy aggressive Russian goals is also how these people motivate themselves…and lie to their misinformed people.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk – that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims.
     
    It appears that the RF treated Minsk agreements seriously. This was a serious mistake on Putin’s part. As the acknowledgements of Merkel, Holland, and Poroshenko show, Minsk agreements were a deception, an intentional deception by the West and its Kiev lackeys.

    It was Kiev that rejected Minsk.
     
    Post-coup Kiev regime has no agency. Minsk was rejected (or, rather, meant as a deception) by its Western puppeteers.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine – plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion.
     
    You misunderstood (deliberately?) what I said about Putin's quote. Discussion is being had continuously, freely.

    They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine. Not necessarily millions of troops stationed there (which a real occupation would require, thus they basically wanted to have their cake and eat it too - achieve grandiose political aims with limited physical and intellectual means). Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin's - they talk about re-education camps for Ukrainians, they talk about taking Kyiv. I do not agree with you that what they have now is modest, as you described above - all that chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it's basically stealing (do you like being stolen from, do you think it's ok?), they have also stepped into indigenous Ukrainian territory now (such as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, etc). Ukraine has full rights to use military means to push them back according to international law.

    Once Russia would have taken over Ukraine (as they planned), they would have repeated their ultimatum to NATO on the steps of Poland and Baltics. "Pick up your items and leave EE". This was their hope.

    Putin has outdated ideas about Ukraine. It is deluded thinking of a "patriotic pensioner" with catastrophic and criminal consequences.

    And probably an emasculated, demilitarized rump Ukraine in the center-west.
     

    Yea, and that's not what Ukrainians want or any country would want of their population. Everybody wants their enemy to be emasculated, that's wishful thinking. The opposite has happened, the Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.

    Replies: @Beckow

  798. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, it is the past and we are beyond that.

    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk - that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims. It was Kiev that rejected Minsk. The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine - plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion. It matters, because the assignment of crazy aggressive Russian goals is also how these people motivate themselves...and lie to their misinformed people.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk – that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims.

    It appears that the RF treated Minsk agreements seriously. This was a serious mistake on Putin’s part. As the acknowledgements of Merkel, Holland, and Poroshenko show, Minsk agreements were a deception, an intentional deception by the West and its Kiev lackeys.

    It was Kiev that rejected Minsk.

    Post-coup Kiev regime has no agency. Minsk was rejected (or, rather, meant as a deception) by its Western puppeteers.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    It appears that the RF treated Minsk agreements seriously.
     
    There was a recent Surkov admission on Telegram somewhere where he said he knew they would not be fulfilled. Don't know if it was a real Telegram post by a real journalist who interviewed him or some fake, but it popped out a couple of weeks ago, was briefly reported on on the UA media, and then this lead wasn't pursued.
  799. @Ivashka the fool
    https://les.media/articles/762502-20-tezisov-pro-voynu-i-mir-for-landing

    Vitality Leibin, a Jewish Russian journalist born in Donbass has written an article that represents a sober assessment of this war. He ennonces 20 "theses" that describe this war in a balanced fashion and allow to understand those who are against this war on both sides of the conflict.

    Also, teenage kids in Ukraine have started organizing flash-mobs against war. I expect Russian kids to follow shortly. As I wrote a couple of times already, the generation of our children doesn't give a dead rat's ass about nationalism, imperialism or revanchism.

    They are connected through the internet to their peers accross the World, they can mock or insult each other online, but they want neither to kill or be killed for some abstract notions and interests of oligarchic elite clans. Even when they are righ-wing leaning they are probably more of libertarian or anarcho-capitalist persuasion than national socialist or fascist.

    They also want a future without "boomer conflicts" and they are right.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Coconuts

    In my partial translation, I don’t think he adequately addressed the existential aspect of this war for Russia. The expansion of Nato is not designed merely to surround and corral Russia, it seems to be ultimately geared to dismantling and destruction. The Western people leading this long-term process do not understand or care that it will likely lead to nuclear war. Wiser heads would work to preserve the natural buffer zone around Russia. Sadly, this would be a huge diplomatic challenge under the best of times. And of course many of the people driving Western policies are either ex-Cold Warriors or long-time Russia haters.

    To summarize, my view includes the idea that Russia must fight in Ukraine to protect its natural sphere of influence specifically to prevent nuclear war.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Ed Luttwak was quite specific about not dismantling RusFed before China is defeated. Whether US elite would head his advice remains to be seen.

  800. @A123
    @songbird

    One has to believe the original plan was to retire Not-The-President Biden after 2 years to give Not-The-VP Harris a running start at 10 years in office.

    Then she went on camera...

    https://youtu.be/sAb7b4O7Ibg

    The DNC desperately need to get rid of both of them. Harris 2024 is even more awful than Biden 2024. Propping up the near dead corpse in the Oval Office serves to keep Kamala at bay. We will have to wait for Democrat chicanery in their primary process.
    ____

    There is good news -- Trump 2024 is shaping up quite nicely. The recent rollout features tariffs as a key component: (1)


    The Golden Arrow – President Trump Announces Economic Agenda 47 Which Includes “Universal Baseline Tariffs”

     

    This is it. This is pure MAGA. President Trump is announcing the big one… “Economic Agenda 47"

    This is the economic policy blade to drive a stake through the vampire heart of corporatism, globalism and the exploitation of the U.S. economy by multinational corporate interests. This “universal baseline tariff” approach, is the policy that slays the dragons of the World Economic Forum, destroys the Beijing dragon and simultaneously ends the EU Marshal Plan advantage. This is a big deal.

    President Trump makes the economic policy announcement today, and it is an incredible structure of trade and economic proposals that would be resoundingly effective at restoring every financial mechanism within the United States as a sovereign country. The proposal is economic nationalism in policy form.

     

    To achieve this goal, we will phase in a system of universal, baseline tariffs on most foreign products. On top of this, higher tariffs will increase incrementally depending on how much individual foreign countries devalue their currency. They devalue their currency to take advantage of the United States, and they subsidize their industries, or otherwise engage in trade cheating and abuse. And they do it now like never before, and we had it largely stopped and it was going to be stopped completely within less than a year.
    ...
    We will revoke China’s Most Favored Nation trade status, and adopt a 4-year plan to phase out all Chinese imports of essential goods—everything from electronics to steel to pharmaceuticals. This will include strong protections to ensure China cannot circumvent restrictions by passing goods through conduit countries—countries that don’t make a product, but all of a sudden they’re making a lot of the product, it comes right through China, right out of China, and right into our country.

    We will also adopt new rules to stop U.S. companies from pouring investments into China, and to stop China from buying up America, allowing all of those investments that clearly serve American interests. We’re not going to allow bad things to happen to our country anymore. And we will eliminate federal contracts for any company that outsources to China.

    Biden will never get the job done. He is weak on China because the corrupt Biden family has received millions and millions of dollars from entities tied to the Chinese Communist Party. Everybody knows that. They try and hide it, and the Fake News doesn’t want to talk about it.
     
    Gradually decoupling from CCP exploitation is a key driver for MAGA Reindustrialization. Growing the U.S. economy is a necessity.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/27/the-golden-arrow-president-trump-announces-economic-agenda-47-which-includes-universal-baseline-tariffs/

    Replies: @songbird

    Nobody with an SOI (Sociosexual Orientation Inventory) as high as Kamala’s should be allowed to be dog-catcher, let alone VP.

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.
     
    Hinting at Hillary’s mad witch cackle when she talked about brutal murder of Gaddafi?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.
     
    What have you got against Hillary!? :-D

    Though agreed, she did have that Wicked Witch of the West laugh/cackle down pretty good. :-)



    https://halloweenalley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/wicked-witch-of-the-west-costume-for-Halloween-768x432.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  801. @QCIC
    @AP

    AP, thank you for this detailed reply.

    The reason for asking this question of you and Anon is not just to learn more about your positions, but to sample the integrated position of those Ukrainians in your personal networks which may be quite different than your own outlook.

    I was also a bit surprised by Anon's comment on violent antisemitism amongst various Ukrainian groups, including Russians. Assuming it wasn't subtle humor, I took it to mean the war and outside meddling since 2014 have increased the latent animosity to a boiling point. You alluded to some of this animosity in your description. I might view those things as simple humor, but modern woke Jewish people would likely regard the Ukrainian behavior you described as a strong antisemitic pattern.

    A hypothetical crazy plan to take over the area would be a long-term effort with various phases.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Igor Gekko, Igor Berkut/ Garry Ber-kut in his videos was trolling both Jewish political and economic elites of Ukraine as well as Ukrainian nationalists who on the one hand talk about giving the boot to Zhido-Moskals, but on the other gladly serv under the Jews who are in positions of power.

    Exactly the same kind of videos could be done about Russia too and would also end up with the authors being put in jail there.

  802. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    In my partial translation, I don't think he adequately addressed the existential aspect of this war for Russia. The expansion of Nato is not designed merely to surround and corral Russia, it seems to be ultimately geared to dismantling and destruction. The Western people leading this long-term process do not understand or care that it will likely lead to nuclear war. Wiser heads would work to preserve the natural buffer zone around Russia. Sadly, this would be a huge diplomatic challenge under the best of times. And of course many of the people driving Western policies are either ex-Cold Warriors or long-time Russia haters.

    To summarize, my view includes the idea that Russia must fight in Ukraine to protect its natural sphere of influence specifically to prevent nuclear war.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Ed Luttwak was quite specific about not dismantling RusFed before China is defeated. Whether US elite would head his advice remains to be seen.

  803. @Ivashka the fool
    https://les.media/articles/762502-20-tezisov-pro-voynu-i-mir-for-landing

    Vitality Leibin, a Jewish Russian journalist born in Donbass has written an article that represents a sober assessment of this war. He ennonces 20 "theses" that describe this war in a balanced fashion and allow to understand those who are against this war on both sides of the conflict.

    Also, teenage kids in Ukraine have started organizing flash-mobs against war. I expect Russian kids to follow shortly. As I wrote a couple of times already, the generation of our children doesn't give a dead rat's ass about nationalism, imperialism or revanchism.

    They are connected through the internet to their peers accross the World, they can mock or insult each other online, but they want neither to kill or be killed for some abstract notions and interests of oligarchic elite clans. Even when they are righ-wing leaning they are probably more of libertarian or anarcho-capitalist persuasion than national socialist or fascist.

    They also want a future without "boomer conflicts" and they are right.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Coconuts

    I believe Wokeness may be bringing out the ‘Fascism beyond Fascism’ that Antifa activists sometimes get preoccupied with:

    With another name, another face, and with nothing which betrays the projection from the past, with the form of a child we do not recognize and the head of a young Medusa, the Order of Sparta will be reborn: and paradoxically it will, without doubt, be the last bastion of Freedom and the sweetness of living.

    It’s the serious part behind BAP’s homo-Fash and frog trolling activities.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    Just in, in several cities in RusFed flash-mobs of ethnic Russian kids going to the shopping malls to have brawls with Central Asian migrant kids, but also with Skins (didn't know there were any left in RusFed).

    They call their online network pseudo-organization ChVK Redan (ЧВК Редан). The kids manifesting against the war in Ukraine in Vinnitsa and Rovno were supposedly from the same network.

    Same thing is happening in Belarus right now where the police had to intervene, beat and arrest teenagers.


    The subculture has several communities on the VKontakte social network. The largest has about 193 thousand subscribers.

    According to media reports, Redan opposes football fans, skinheads and migrants. The members of the movement find their target and start mass fights in shopping malls. According to media reports, about 131 teenagers were detained in the Gallery shopping center in St. Petersburg. Also, the Moscow police detained and delivered to the departments more than 300 Redan participants
     
    Exactly as I wrote, they identify with an Anime online community and don't give a damn about their countries.

    Network tribes, Stand Alone Complex, pure Cyberpunk. Add to this some AI algorithm that can profile and lead searches online to bring kids into organizations such as this, let them download 3D printed guns (https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220114-3d-printed-weapons-myanmar-rebels) and in a near future you got a GITS scenario in real life.

    https://ura.news/news/1052629643

    LOL, from the point of view of our teenagers we are all such "Boomers" and "Karens" to care about politics, borders, nations, ethnic groups and history. The Anime stories are way more cool and worth fighting for. They would probably exchange this time-line for any cult Anime series if they could. That tells a lot about the current state of the World.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  804. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    I believe Wokeness may be bringing out the 'Fascism beyond Fascism' that Antifa activists sometimes get preoccupied with:


    With another name, another face, and with nothing which betrays the projection from the past, with the form of a child we do not recognize and the head of a young Medusa, the Order of Sparta will be reborn: and paradoxically it will, without doubt, be the last bastion of Freedom and the sweetness of living.
     
    It's the serious part behind BAP's homo-Fash and frog trolling activities.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Just in, in several cities in RusFed flash-mobs of ethnic Russian kids going to the shopping malls to have brawls with Central Asian migrant kids, but also with Skins (didn’t know there were any left in RusFed).

    They call their online network pseudo-organization ChVK Redan (ЧВК Редан). The kids manifesting against the war in Ukraine in Vinnitsa and Rovno were supposedly from the same network.

    Same thing is happening in Belarus right now where the police had to intervene, beat and arrest teenagers.

    The subculture has several communities on the VKontakte social network. The largest has about 193 thousand subscribers.

    According to media reports, Redan opposes football fans, skinheads and migrants. The members of the movement find their target and start mass fights in shopping malls. According to media reports, about 131 teenagers were detained in the Gallery shopping center in St. Petersburg. Also, the Moscow police detained and delivered to the departments more than 300 Redan participants

    Exactly as I wrote, they identify with an Anime online community and don’t give a damn about their countries.

    Network tribes, Stand Alone Complex, pure Cyberpunk. Add to this some AI algorithm that can profile and lead searches online to bring kids into organizations such as this, let them download 3D printed guns (https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220114-3d-printed-weapons-myanmar-rebels) and in a near future you got a GITS scenario in real life.

    https://ura.news/news/1052629643

    LOL, from the point of view of our teenagers we are all such “Boomers” and “Karens” to care about politics, borders, nations, ethnic groups and history. The Anime stories are way more cool and worth fighting for. They would probably exchange this time-line for any cult Anime series if they could. That tells a lot about the current state of the World.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    Ha, BAPtists are a kind of intellectual vanguardism compared to anime based brawling. Is there any explanation behind the seemingly disparate set of targets?

    If they obtain printed weapons maybe they can work their way up to Necromunda.

    I think becoming a boomer starts at around 27 these days?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  805. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...A slight win in this war isn’t worth the deaths of 100,000+
     
    At least we agree on that. But it was a choice - Kiev chose to escalate (or was told to), they could had ended a year ago with basically a Minsk deal enforced militarily by Russia. Bad, but not as bad as what they have now.

    Most likely scenario: current line of contact +/- Bakhmut or even the rest of Donbas, mass redevelopment aid from Russian reserves, quicker integration with EU. End of divisive cultural wars as Russian culture disappears...Poland wins...It becomes a gateway to the redevelopment of Ukraine ...becomes the largest land army in Europe.
     
    You are valiantly and desperately trying to stay cheerful. The reality is that if Kiev loses in Donbas they will lose more - it is hard to stop a winning army, the Donbas 8-years of cement-steel barriers are mostly lacking further west, although they are probably busily building them now. The 'reserves' will be eventually returned and they amount to $300 billion - slightly less than Western investments that are frozen in Russia. When it comes to a deal, Kiev will be less important than the Western investors.

    I don't see Ukie integration with Europe - EU is basically broke, it needs a quite decade to get back to where it was in 2015. It has no money or interest in expanding to more poorer regions - that train has left, most of EU even regrets admitting Bulgaria-Romania and the giddy expansion plans are very unpopular.

    Poland will lose as the new heavily armed border: 'largest army' means less money and nobody invests in potential battlefields - sine qua non of all investments. But keep on dreaming, what else you got?

    Replies: @AP

    At least we agree on that. But it was a choice – Kiev chose to escalate (or was told to), they could had ended a year ago with basically a Minsk deal enforced militarily by Russia. Bad, but not as bad as what they have now.

    Russia demanded that Ukraine surrender its sovereignty to Russia. This demand was Russia’s choice. Ukraine could have “chosen” to surrender its sovereignty without a fight, as Czechia chose to surrender to Germany without a fight (unlike Poland). But in all of these cases the one to blame is the invader.

    You are valiantly and desperately trying to stay cheerful.

    No, it’s just realism. Like stating a year ago that Russia would not conquer most of Ukraine in a few weeks.

    The reality is that if Kiev loses in Donbas they will lose more – it is hard to stop a winning army,

    It depends on the nature of the loss. If Russia takes the rest of Donbas in a quick lightning strike, Ukraine might indeed be at risk of much greater losses. If Russia takes the rest of Donbas after many months, while losing 10,000s of its troops killed and depleting more of its equipment, then no. In that case Russia will simply be closer to the point of exhaustion, while having gained little of value.

    The reverse is also true, of course. If Ukraine suddenly successfully strikes south and grabs large pieces of the land bridge, northern Crimea will be in danger. But if Ukraine loses 10,000s to retake the Bakhmut suburbs in 3 months, it will just be closer to the point of exhaustion.

    The most likely scenario is that both sides will just get exhausted in a few months, or a year, with modest territorial changes. Though if one side breaks through it is more likely to be the Ukrainian one.

    The ‘reserves’ will be eventually returned and they amount to $300 billion – slightly less than Western investments that are frozen in Russia.

    The process of giving them to Ukraine has begun. Unlike the $300 billion in Russian currency reserves frozen by the West these Western investments aren’t cash (IIRC it was only about $20 billion or so, but I could be wrong) but mostly goods. Russia has grabbed a bunch of airplanes, for example. They are a fraction of what the West has and have been written off as a cost of doing business in an unreliable country, like the losses in places such as Venezuela. Russia keeping them will simply mean that Westerners will be less likely to invest in Russia in the future. Another Russian loss.

    I don’t see Ukie integration with Europe – EU is basically broke, it needs a quite decade to get back to where it was in 2015.

    Ukrainian integration with Europe accelerates as a result of the Russian invasion. It may receive less than Poland did, but it will be enough.

    Poland will lose as the new heavily armed border: ‘largest army’ means less money and nobody invests in potential battlefields

    You must have never heard of South Korea, or West Germany during the Cold War.

    • Agree: Greasy William
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  806. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    Just in, in several cities in RusFed flash-mobs of ethnic Russian kids going to the shopping malls to have brawls with Central Asian migrant kids, but also with Skins (didn't know there were any left in RusFed).

    They call their online network pseudo-organization ChVK Redan (ЧВК Редан). The kids manifesting against the war in Ukraine in Vinnitsa and Rovno were supposedly from the same network.

    Same thing is happening in Belarus right now where the police had to intervene, beat and arrest teenagers.


    The subculture has several communities on the VKontakte social network. The largest has about 193 thousand subscribers.

    According to media reports, Redan opposes football fans, skinheads and migrants. The members of the movement find their target and start mass fights in shopping malls. According to media reports, about 131 teenagers were detained in the Gallery shopping center in St. Petersburg. Also, the Moscow police detained and delivered to the departments more than 300 Redan participants
     
    Exactly as I wrote, they identify with an Anime online community and don't give a damn about their countries.

    Network tribes, Stand Alone Complex, pure Cyberpunk. Add to this some AI algorithm that can profile and lead searches online to bring kids into organizations such as this, let them download 3D printed guns (https://observers.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20220114-3d-printed-weapons-myanmar-rebels) and in a near future you got a GITS scenario in real life.

    https://ura.news/news/1052629643

    LOL, from the point of view of our teenagers we are all such "Boomers" and "Karens" to care about politics, borders, nations, ethnic groups and history. The Anime stories are way more cool and worth fighting for. They would probably exchange this time-line for any cult Anime series if they could. That tells a lot about the current state of the World.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Ha, BAPtists are a kind of intellectual vanguardism compared to anime based brawling. Is there any explanation behind the seemingly disparate set of targets?

    If they obtain printed weapons maybe they can work their way up to Necromunda.

    I think becoming a boomer starts at around 27 these days?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts


    Is there any explanation behind the seemingly disparate set of targets?
     
    Nope, and that's what's funny. Seems quite GITS SAC as situation.

    I think becoming a boomer starts at around 27 these days?
     
    More around 25. Acceleration... 🤷‍♂️
  807. @Anon 2
    @Mikel

    Yes, Virgin Mary has shown a definite preference for Catholics,
    which some people might see as empirical evidence in favor of the
    claim that Catholicism is closer to the truth than Eastern Orthodoxy
    or Protestantism. Note that the apparitions of Virgin Mary in
    Medjugorje are still continuing on a regular basis. Anyone can go there,
    and see for himself. One reporter tried to interview the woman visionary
    who was one of the children when the visions bgan in 1981, and became
    literally spellbound. The supernatural radiance coming from her was
    so powerful he was unable to speak for quite some time.

    As to Russia, we could ask the question, “Would Russia have invaded
    Ukraine if it was roughly the same size as Ukraine.” Most likely not - so
    we can see how Russia has become corrupted by the obscene size of
    its territory, showing how greedy the Russians have become. Russia is
    one of the most anti-Christian countries in the world. Jesus said,
    “Love thy neighbor.” There is no evidence he ever said, “Invade thy
    neighbor.” Realistically, we know that both Russia and Ukraine
    are very corrupt, that both had a high murder rate before the invasion
    (and now it’s astronomical), and both have a short life expectancy.
    So both are really failed states. But in a war between a v. large country
    and a medium country, the former is more to blame simply because
    it has more options, whereas the smaller country is fighting for its basic
    survival. However, to Russia’s credit, the Russian troops don’t seem
    very enthusiastic about killing Ukrainians. Nevertheless, they are still
    doing a lot of killing and raping.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Virgin Mary has shown a definite preference for Catholics,
    which some people might see as empirical evidence in favor of the
    claim that Catholicism is closer to the truth than Eastern Orthodoxy
    or Protestantism.

    Yes, based on the number of Marian apparitions, an honest researcher would have to conclude that Catholicism is the closest religion to the truth. But this only gives us a partial picture because there are many other metrics available. For example, the number of speakers in tongues would suggest that the closest to the truth are actually the Pentecostalists. Or the number of levitating gurus and reincarnated monks would favor Oriental religions. Some could even argue for the Afro-Caribbean faiths based on the number of voodoo spells. It’s a complicated matter and I’m not sure you are using the right tools to study it.

  808. @Coconuts
    @Ivashka the fool

    Ha, BAPtists are a kind of intellectual vanguardism compared to anime based brawling. Is there any explanation behind the seemingly disparate set of targets?

    If they obtain printed weapons maybe they can work their way up to Necromunda.

    I think becoming a boomer starts at around 27 these days?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Is there any explanation behind the seemingly disparate set of targets?

    Nope, and that’s what’s funny. Seems quite GITS SAC as situation.

    I think becoming a boomer starts at around 27 these days?

    More around 25. Acceleration… 🤷‍♂️

  809. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @German_reader

    Very sad that you ignored the incident that started the protest. Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews. People take justice into their own hands when that is their only option. Yes, it is usually clumsy and unfocused. However, what else do you expect?

    Ukie-stinians 🇺🇦🇵🇸 (in both Rammalah & Kiev) have become quite comically extremist. Their leaders are barely expressing a pretence about caring about their own citizens anymore. While tragic, there is a silver lining. This is causing problems for Ukie-stinian supporters in the West.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    Murder is bad and in general I don’t have all that much sympathy for the Palestinians either. But I’m not sure you can call it “unprovoked”, they were literally two settlers driving through a Palestinian town.
    Also not sure about the “indigenous” part, I noticed both of the victims had blue (or at least blue-ish) eyes.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Murder is bad and in general I don’t have all that much sympathy for the Palestinians either. But I’m not sure you can call it “unprovoked”, they were literally two settlers driving through a Palestinian town.
     
    How can Jews driving in the Jewish land of Palestine be provocative? That is crazy.

    Were Christians in Germany being provocative when they set up a Christmas village? (1)

    Your hypocrisy is visible to everyone.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack
  810. @songbird
    @A123

    Nobody with an SOI (Sociosexual Orientation Inventory) as high as Kamala's should be allowed to be dog-catcher, let alone VP.

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @S

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    Hinting at Hillary’s mad witch cackle when she talked about brutal murder of Gaddafi?

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    On youtube, there is apparently a video of HRC laughing for ten hours. I assume it contains repeated clips, and will leave it to others to verify, but I thought this comment below the video was pretty funny:


    I've decided to hide a speaker somewhere in my brother's room and play this over bluetooth in the middle of the night really really quietly.
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  811. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Anyway, imo you’re quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgO8B5tnlU

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    Poles annexed one fourth of German territory, expelled millions from there and killed a substantial amount in the process, got Germans to drop the matter entirely, and yet still whine constantly how they were never compensated at all. You have no grounds to complain about selective WW2 memory (but then I remember you’re the kind of person who unironically talks about the “recovered” territories). So sorry, your silly little guilt-tripping act doesn’t work on me.
    Anyway, you are an idiot whose comments generally are worthless trash, so I’m going to limit my interation with you to the minimum amount possible, anything else would be a waste of time.

    • Disagree: Yahya
  812. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.
     
    With today's communications it's quite doable. You just need local management.

    That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.
     
    Doesn't change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the "colonial metropole" offshores.

    Have you heard of the "cryptocolony" concept ?

    https://traditio.wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept - a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses. If another ethnic group profits more, while a local ethnic group loses more, and the locals cannot change the situation to reorient it in their favor, then the locals are not truly independent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis


    Probably negligible.
     
    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates (for example sugar beets production farms).

    I trust your data to be more reliable than the one I read back then in Russian antisemitic literature. They probably exaggerated.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    “That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.”

    Doesn’t change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole” offshores.

    The largest company in Sweden, Volvo, is owned by the Chinese. Does that mean that Sweden is becoming a Chinese colony?

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept – a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses.

    It’s interesting but not a matter of two different populations but of small family groups or friend networks getting rich internationally.

    America has been traditionally dominated by a few hundred WASP families although Jews and most recently upper caste Indians have gotten into the mix also. This does not mean that America is a people colonized by WASPS, no more than Britian is a colony of the Normans.

    A colonial relationship would be something like Rhodesia and old South Africa, Algeria before the French were expelled, Ireland prior to independence.

    Probably negligible. [Jewish ownership of lands in Galicia]

    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates

    In Galicia the large agricultural estates were rarely in Jewish hands, but most often noble hands (mostly but not exclusively Polish). Something that outraged the Ruthenian/Ukrainian peasants was when the Polish nationalist government broke up some of those estates and gave the lands not the surrounding Ruthenian/Ukrainian peasants but to Polish colonists.

    Jews owned things like slaughterhouses and taverns. The rich ones owned factories or were involved in the oil business (Galicia was once a major center of oil production):

    https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/at-the-beginning-of-the-20th-century-boryslav-was-the-worlds-third-largest-producer-of-oil-after-pennsylvania-and-baku-vladyslava-moskalets/

    Galician Ukrainians started joining cooperatives on a massive scale, which basically drove a lot of the Jewish middlemen (such as slaughterhouse owners) into impoverishment and out of business. This contributed to largescale emigration of Jews out of Galicia:

    [MORE]

  813. @German_reader
    @A123


    Yet another unprovoked murder of indigenous Palestinian Jews.
     
    Murder is bad and in general I don't have all that much sympathy for the Palestinians either. But I'm not sure you can call it "unprovoked", they were literally two settlers driving through a Palestinian town.
    Also not sure about the "indigenous" part, I noticed both of the victims had blue (or at least blue-ish) eyes.

    Replies: @A123

    Murder is bad and in general I don’t have all that much sympathy for the Palestinians either. But I’m not sure you can call it “unprovoked”, they were literally two settlers driving through a Palestinian town.

    How can Jews driving in the Jewish land of Palestine be provocative? That is crazy.

    Were Christians in Germany being provocative when they set up a Christmas village? (1)

    Your hypocrisy is visible to everyone.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Berlin_truck_attack

  814. @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Anyway, imo you’re quite simply mostly wrong, this is mostly about the usual Polish obsessions and resentments
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgO8B5tnlU

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    Those skits are nicely done, this one could be dedicated to A123, lol

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The Leopard issue imo is actually a good illustration that PiS Poland is trying to use the Ukraine crisis for anti-German agitation to the max...even better was that story (which I linked to some time ago) how they refused to let Germany set up repair facilities in Poland for the Panzerhaubitzen sent to Ukraine, but instead insisted on intellectual property transfer (the repair facilities were then set up in Slovakia). Just totally dishonest behaviour...when Germany actually caves to pressure from Poland and friends and sends genuinely useful weapons systems to aid Ukraine, PiS Poland then prioritizes its own selfish interests.
    I think I was once about as sympathetic to Polish concerns as could be expected of any German right-winger but the bs pulled by PiS Poland over the last year (also their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign) has convinced me that "dialogue" at least with that segment of Polish society is utterly pointless. Now obviously I and people like me have zero influence in Germany, but I can't imagine those antics by PiS Poland will be considered favourably even by more mainstream people who notice them.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    With all due respect it was painful to watch, Germans just don't have a sense of humor. The stiff predictable and superbly conformist sketch was on a level of a 2nd grader trying to please his teacher....they really need to do better, it almost looked like one of those government produced propaganda pieces - it probably is.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

  815. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Those skits are nicely done, this one could be dedicated to A123, lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9lD9r_fHs

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    The Leopard issue imo is actually a good illustration that PiS Poland is trying to use the Ukraine crisis for anti-German agitation to the max…even better was that story (which I linked to some time ago) how they refused to let Germany set up repair facilities in Poland for the Panzerhaubitzen sent to Ukraine, but instead insisted on intellectual property transfer (the repair facilities were then set up in Slovakia). Just totally dishonest behaviour…when Germany actually caves to pressure from Poland and friends and sends genuinely useful weapons systems to aid Ukraine, PiS Poland then prioritizes its own selfish interests.
    I think I was once about as sympathetic to Polish concerns as could be expected of any German right-winger but the bs pulled by PiS Poland over the last year (also their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign) has convinced me that “dialogue” at least with that segment of Polish society is utterly pointless. Now obviously I and people like me have zero influence in Germany, but I can’t imagine those antics by PiS Poland will be considered favourably even by more mainstream people who notice them.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @German_reader

    I see your point about German speakers in Silesia. It's only recently I realized that there are still some remnant German speaking populations in Poland. Do they have schools or at least German as a First Language classes?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign
     
    Because Germany has never fulfilled its reciprocal obligation regarding its own Polish minority according to the The Polish–German Treaty of Good Neighbourship and Friendly Cooperation of 1991 (sic!), and still keeps the Nazi status quo! Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany - Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that (they are obliged to disagree since 1991, but somehow can't).
    BTW, Poland is not revoking German minority status like the Nazis did with the Poles in Germany, just limiting state funds flowing to them.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    They then ask Germany to replace Poland's army with the most modern equipment, last year they were asking for Leopard 2A7, to fill their garage with elite new equipment.

    Then Poland is receiving money from the Western European taxpayers, for this junk equipment they give to Ukraine. This is the European Peace Facility. So, Poland is receiving money for the junk equipment they give to Ukraine.

    So, German taxpayers are funding Poland double time, while Poland upgrades their army and Ukrainian soldiers die in the T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    But the countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Denmark are giving very modern equipment to Ukraine nowadays. France/Denmark are giving Caesar artillery. America is going to transfer Bradley vehicles to Ukraine in the next months.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @German_reader

  816. @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Those skits are nicely done, this one could be dedicated to A123, lol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9lD9r_fHs

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    With all due respect it was painful to watch, Germans just don’t have a sense of humor. The stiff predictable and superbly conformist sketch was on a level of a 2nd grader trying to please his teacher….they really need to do better, it almost looked like one of those government produced propaganda pieces – it probably is.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    it's obviously presenting politically dominating attitudes, but depiction of those attitudes is quite on point, no matter if someone agrees with it or rejects;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_SaRMP90OA

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Beckow

    I beg to differ. It's predictability was in fact its funniest part.

    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.

    It just missed a balalaika and a stuffed bear.

    It would have been similar if Russians would have represented Germany as a guy wearing bavarian leather shorts and holding a 1 L beer mug.

    😄

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  817. @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya


    but also Handel’s masterful musicianship. It’s no wonder both Mozart and Beethoven looked up to him.
     
    I agree with your assessment of Handel's "masterful musicianship". Sometimes, his music evokes within me an appreciation of the purest perfection possible...but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?....

    Replies: @Yahya

    but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….

    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Yahya

    Try Albinonii oboe concertos. If you like them, proceed to longer pieces. While you are at it, compare Albinoni oboe concertos to Vivaldi oboe concertos: Albinoni, Bach, and Vivaldi are at the same level of genius. Listen to various Vivaldi pieces: he wrote a lot more than Four Seasons.

    If you enjoy Baroque music, don’t forget less known, but excellent composers like Zelenka, Heinichen, Loillet de Gant, a bunch of Italians (Corelli, Geminiani, Locatelli, Torelli, Manfredini), and many others, as well as known but often underappreciated Handel (Germans like to claim him, but he wrote most of his music in England). Actually, listen to Mozart: he lived a lot later, but the spirit of many of his pieces is Baroque.

    All Baroque music has very good effect on my mood. At that time composers sincerely believed that the creation is good and the creator is benign. Later composers weren’t so sure, and you can feel it in their music (although some of them are great). Judging by their music, in the twentieth century composers were convinced that the creation sucks and the creator is malicious. Some of their pieces are still great, but none is optimistic, like Baroque.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Yahya

    There's so much that each of these composers wrote, and I just love to listen to any of the many CD's that I have within my library including all of these great composers. Professor Tennessee's recommendation of Albinoni's oboe concertos are a great place to start. I own all three of the Naxos output, and find these to be superlative quality productions. As for Telemann (that strangely enough Professor Tennessee didn't even mention. :-( ), I'd give his "Paris Quartets" a spin - really beautiful flute and other woodwind type of music. Telemann has the distinct honor of being considered the most prolific writer of music ever (that says a lot!), and it's all high quality music to boot! Happy listening!

    , @Mikel
    @Yahya


    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?
     
    You may not associate it with Albinoni but I'm sure you must have listened to his master piece Adagio in G Minor many times:

    https://youtu.be/XMbvcp480Y4

    Sublime.

    As for your thoughts above on what causes one to like some music and not some other, I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it. All I can say is that it sounds too exotic to my ears. I may have mentioned this in the past but perhaps it didn't help that during one of my trips to Morocco I made a journey in a collective taxi where they played that kind of music non-stop at high volume all trip long. I remember Greasy expressing a similar impression about Middle Eastern music in general.

    However, I did enjoy the beautiful rendition of "Lama Bada Yatathana" by Talia Lahoud that you recommended. I listen to it from time to time. There were also moments during a concert by an Algerian orchestra that you posted (don't remember the name but I think it has some Spanish word in it) that I did like. But all things considered, my favorite Egyptian song is still this one:



    https://youtu.be/Cv6tuzHUuuk

    Replies: @Yahya

  818. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    With all due respect it was painful to watch, Germans just don't have a sense of humor. The stiff predictable and superbly conformist sketch was on a level of a 2nd grader trying to please his teacher....they really need to do better, it almost looked like one of those government produced propaganda pieces - it probably is.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

    it’s obviously presenting politically dominating attitudes, but depiction of those attitudes is quite on point, no matter if someone agrees with it or rejects;)

  819. @LatW
    @Philip Owen


    China also wants to create a transport corridor across Asia to Europe and another one by sea. It could go south via Iran but why mess with a politically unreliable regime subject to sanctions. Qazaqstan is a controllable state which takes them a long way but the land route still requires crossing Russia. (Qazaqstan closed its trade delegation with Russia yesterday). China has done some work on rail transport with Russia but Russia’s response has been modest. Uzbekistan has been a better partner. Russia has now demonstrated itself to be a new geopolitical Iran. This restricts China’s options to crossing the Caspian to Azerbaijan and then to Georgia.
     
    Arestovych with a few of his friends has been exploring the idea of the so called "Yugorossia" lately. (Yugo meaning South). This is all obviously very hypothetical (to put it mildly), but the idea is that Ukraine, in the case of victory, would somehow gain influence over its neighboring eastern areas (Krasnodar krai, Volgograd, Rostov, etc) and then help create an East-West transportation corridor there (as well as some kind of a geopolitical buffer that several players might be interested in). It's not clear how this would be achieved, probably what they mean is they would somehow be able to control some of the infrastructure there. From what I understood from Arestovych's words, he was making it sound as if Ukraine would do this on her own, without involving the Anglo "partners" which might sound a bit naive. Or alternately, with partial involvement of Anglos and Turkey but not their full control.

    If Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine, I would consider such talk tactless (even if some Russians have spoken with similar callousness about Ukraine & Baltics, treating us as mere "territory" to be exploited) and, if I were Russian, it would drive me up the wall just hearing it spelled out like that, but for China it might be interesting. And it might also signal the kind of a rising perception of the instability and fluidity of borders in the South of Russia that was exacerbated by this invasion.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians. There is material to work with. The Qazaqs can readily claim up to the Volga if Russia becomes weak. Even do a deal. North Qazaqstan to Russia as a swap. (All fantasy, I know but claims could be made).

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Philip Owen

    Qazaqs! Really ?

    Whom exactly would that be...

    😄

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @LatW
    @Philip Owen


    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians.
     
    Of course! I am not endorsing in any way Arestovych's fantastical babble (I already mentioned, it is a bit tactless). It's just an interesting, somewhat wild geopolitical discussion. Arestovych is a Russophone Kievan who still occasionally pines after the SU (and praises the SU's achievements), who is very experimental in his thinking and has visions of grandeur now, he is very different from the kind of salt of the earth Ukrainian types, such as Zaluzhny and Budanov who do not have any such ideas or fantasies. The only thing they would ask in the end, in case they succeeded, would be a limited demilitarized zone (200kms or so).
  820. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The Leopard issue imo is actually a good illustration that PiS Poland is trying to use the Ukraine crisis for anti-German agitation to the max...even better was that story (which I linked to some time ago) how they refused to let Germany set up repair facilities in Poland for the Panzerhaubitzen sent to Ukraine, but instead insisted on intellectual property transfer (the repair facilities were then set up in Slovakia). Just totally dishonest behaviour...when Germany actually caves to pressure from Poland and friends and sends genuinely useful weapons systems to aid Ukraine, PiS Poland then prioritizes its own selfish interests.
    I think I was once about as sympathetic to Polish concerns as could be expected of any German right-winger but the bs pulled by PiS Poland over the last year (also their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign) has convinced me that "dialogue" at least with that segment of Polish society is utterly pointless. Now obviously I and people like me have zero influence in Germany, but I can't imagine those antics by PiS Poland will be considered favourably even by more mainstream people who notice them.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    I see your point about German speakers in Silesia. It’s only recently I realized that there are still some remnant German speaking populations in Poland. Do they have schools or at least German as a First Language classes?

    • Thanks: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Philip Owen

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/02/07/poland-cuts-teaching-for-german-minority-and-allocates-funds-to-poles-in-germany/

    https://www.ecmi.de/infochannel/detail/ecmi-minorities-blog-german-minority-as-hostage-and-victim-of-populist-politics-in-poland

    If one wants to play such stupid games, one should just leave the EU.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  821. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The Leopard issue imo is actually a good illustration that PiS Poland is trying to use the Ukraine crisis for anti-German agitation to the max...even better was that story (which I linked to some time ago) how they refused to let Germany set up repair facilities in Poland for the Panzerhaubitzen sent to Ukraine, but instead insisted on intellectual property transfer (the repair facilities were then set up in Slovakia). Just totally dishonest behaviour...when Germany actually caves to pressure from Poland and friends and sends genuinely useful weapons systems to aid Ukraine, PiS Poland then prioritizes its own selfish interests.
    I think I was once about as sympathetic to Polish concerns as could be expected of any German right-winger but the bs pulled by PiS Poland over the last year (also their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign) has convinced me that "dialogue" at least with that segment of Polish society is utterly pointless. Now obviously I and people like me have zero influence in Germany, but I can't imagine those antics by PiS Poland will be considered favourably even by more mainstream people who notice them.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign

    Because Germany has never fulfilled its reciprocal obligation regarding its own Polish minority according to the The Polish–German Treaty of Good Neighbourship and Friendly Cooperation of 1991 (sic!), and still keeps the Nazi status quo! Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany – Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that (they are obliged to disagree since 1991, but somehow can’t).
    BTW, Poland is not revoking German minority status like the Nazis did with the Poles in Germany, just limiting state funds flowing to them.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.

    • Troll: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that
     
    SHOULD MEAN

    "Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with the Nazi status quo". According to the mutual 1991 treaty which Germany ignores (if convenient), Poles are to have the same national minority rights in Germany that Germans have in Poland.
    Whatever Germany claims (EU is enough etc), it is unable to clearly explain why Poles before 1933 ought to have had minority rights in Germany but after 1991 - no, not really.

    , @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany
     
    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you "recovered" those areas, that's obviously no longer the case. Self-identifying Poles in Germany today are overwhelmingly fairly recent immigrants (apart from some anti-communist asylum seekers most who came to the old federal republic before 1990 must have had at least some partial ethnic German connection). Maybe Germany should allocate more funding to support their cultural life, but claiming they are a national minority like Sorbs or "oppressed" is just preposterous.
    And that's just how it is with PiS Poland. An endless litany of dishonest bs which is obviously designed merely for purposes of agitation, never to bring about any constructive solutions. It gets pretty tiresome after a while.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.
     
    Spare me such gems, it's not the General Gouvernement in 1942. The federal republic is mostly a push-over, the only thing it could conceivably do is give Poland less EU funding because of issues like judges' appointments (an issue I can't evaluate in detail, but even if unjustified, it's hardly the return of Hans Frank).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Another Polish Perspective

  822. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    With all due respect it was painful to watch, Germans just don't have a sense of humor. The stiff predictable and superbly conformist sketch was on a level of a 2nd grader trying to please his teacher....they really need to do better, it almost looked like one of those government produced propaganda pieces - it probably is.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

    I beg to differ. It’s predictability was in fact its funniest part.

    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.

    It just missed a balalaika and a stuffed bear.

    It would have been similar if Russians would have represented Germany as a guy wearing bavarian leather shorts and holding a 1 L beer mug.

    😄

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.
     
    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.

    As Einstein rightly said, “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

    Replies: @Yahya

  823. @Philip Owen
    @German_reader

    I see your point about German speakers in Silesia. It's only recently I realized that there are still some remnant German speaking populations in Poland. Do they have schools or at least German as a First Language classes?

    Replies: @German_reader

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth#/media/File:Rzeczpospolita_1619_-_1621.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement#/media/File:Map_showing_the_percentage_of_Jews_in_the_Pale_of_Settlement_and_Congress_Poland,_The_Jewish_Encyclopedia_(1905).jpg

    Shared boundaries probably the same aggressive blood.

  824. @songbird
    @LatW


    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has “committed crimes against humanity”
     
    There has been a Great Awokening in war.

    Great rhetoric for the revanchists and virtue-signalers on social media.

    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.

    This is not true, songbird. There are crowds of Western people who follow Ukraine online, groups such as NAFO, as well as private individuals on Twitter, where news about fallen Ukrainian soldiers are posted and everyone commiserates, everyone posts condolences and comments of support.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.

    Replies: @LatW

  825. @Philip Owen
    @LatW

    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians. There is material to work with. The Qazaqs can readily claim up to the Volga if Russia becomes weak. Even do a deal. North Qazaqstan to Russia as a swap. (All fantasy, I know but claims could be made).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Qazaqs! Really ?

    Whom exactly would that be…

    😄

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Ivashka the fool

    Derussification is already under way.

  826. @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign
     
    Because Germany has never fulfilled its reciprocal obligation regarding its own Polish minority according to the The Polish–German Treaty of Good Neighbourship and Friendly Cooperation of 1991 (sic!), and still keeps the Nazi status quo! Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany - Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that (they are obliged to disagree since 1991, but somehow can't).
    BTW, Poland is not revoking German minority status like the Nazis did with the Poles in Germany, just limiting state funds flowing to them.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

    Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that

    SHOULD MEAN

    “Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with the Nazi status quo”. According to the mutual 1991 treaty which Germany ignores (if convenient), Poles are to have the same national minority rights in Germany that Germans have in Poland.
    Whatever Germany claims (EU is enough etc), it is unable to clearly explain why Poles before 1933 ought to have had minority rights in Germany but after 1991 – no, not really.

  827. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign
     
    Because Germany has never fulfilled its reciprocal obligation regarding its own Polish minority according to the The Polish–German Treaty of Good Neighbourship and Friendly Cooperation of 1991 (sic!), and still keeps the Nazi status quo! Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany - Bundesrepublik, well, agrees with that (they are obliged to disagree since 1991, but somehow can't).
    BTW, Poland is not revoking German minority status like the Nazis did with the Poles in Germany, just limiting state funds flowing to them.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

    Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany

    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you “recovered” those areas, that’s obviously no longer the case. Self-identifying Poles in Germany today are overwhelmingly fairly recent immigrants (apart from some anti-communist asylum seekers most who came to the old federal republic before 1990 must have had at least some partial ethnic German connection). Maybe Germany should allocate more funding to support their cultural life, but claiming they are a national minority like Sorbs or “oppressed” is just preposterous.
    And that’s just how it is with PiS Poland. An endless litany of dishonest bs which is obviously designed merely for purposes of agitation, never to bring about any constructive solutions. It gets pretty tiresome after a while.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.

    Spare me such gems, it’s not the General Gouvernement in 1942. The federal republic is mostly a push-over, the only thing it could conceivably do is give Poland less EU funding because of issues like judges’ appointments (an issue I can’t evaluate in detail, but even if unjustified, it’s hardly the return of Hans Frank).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    please cut these Poles off.

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you “recovered” those areas, that’s obviously no longer the case
     
    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen, etc... not Silesia - that were relatively late immigrants from the 19th century. Silesian people claim to be neither Polish nor German - in fact, Silesia voivodship was the only one with autonomy and its own parliament ("Sejm Śląski") before 1939 in Poland. Even now, Silesians claim to be their own people, or at least neither fully Polish nor German. They sued both Poland and Germany in Strasbourg - and lost to both of them.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them. Sorbs are not the right comparison, since they are on life-support as a kind of German pets. The minority in Germany Poles should be compared are Danes, since they also have a state beside borders of Germany. And yes, as a minority Danes are better treated than Poles - they are recognized national minority in Germany.

    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept. As a recognized minority, Germans in Poland still have more rights than Poles in Germany.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

  828. @German_reader
    @Philip Owen

    https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/02/07/poland-cuts-teaching-for-german-minority-and-allocates-funds-to-poles-in-germany/

    https://www.ecmi.de/infochannel/detail/ecmi-minorities-blog-german-minority-as-hostage-and-victim-of-populist-politics-in-poland

    If one wants to play such stupid games, one should just leave the EU.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Shared boundaries probably the same aggressive blood.

  829. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany
     
    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you "recovered" those areas, that's obviously no longer the case. Self-identifying Poles in Germany today are overwhelmingly fairly recent immigrants (apart from some anti-communist asylum seekers most who came to the old federal republic before 1990 must have had at least some partial ethnic German connection). Maybe Germany should allocate more funding to support their cultural life, but claiming they are a national minority like Sorbs or "oppressed" is just preposterous.
    And that's just how it is with PiS Poland. An endless litany of dishonest bs which is obviously designed merely for purposes of agitation, never to bring about any constructive solutions. It gets pretty tiresome after a while.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.
     
    Spare me such gems, it's not the General Gouvernement in 1942. The federal republic is mostly a push-over, the only thing it could conceivably do is give Poland less EU funding because of issues like judges' appointments (an issue I can't evaluate in detail, but even if unjustified, it's hardly the return of Hans Frank).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Another Polish Perspective

    please cut these Poles off.

  830. @Ivashka the fool
    @Beckow

    I beg to differ. It's predictability was in fact its funniest part.

    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.

    It just missed a balalaika and a stuffed bear.

    It would have been similar if Russians would have represented Germany as a guy wearing bavarian leather shorts and holding a 1 L beer mug.

    😄

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.

    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.

    As Einstein rightly said, “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.”

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN


    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.
     
    It’s a cool image though.

    https://i.ibb.co/CmJbLR7/1-BF3-C6-CA-07-AB-4980-9351-C52-F55-F99-F1-A.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool

  831. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Prior to the Nazis Poles were recognized minority in Germany
     
    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you "recovered" those areas, that's obviously no longer the case. Self-identifying Poles in Germany today are overwhelmingly fairly recent immigrants (apart from some anti-communist asylum seekers most who came to the old federal republic before 1990 must have had at least some partial ethnic German connection). Maybe Germany should allocate more funding to support their cultural life, but claiming they are a national minority like Sorbs or "oppressed" is just preposterous.
    And that's just how it is with PiS Poland. An endless litany of dishonest bs which is obviously designed merely for purposes of agitation, never to bring about any constructive solutions. It gets pretty tiresome after a while.

    This issue is a very good example that Germans tend to treat badly those weaker than themselves.
     
    Spare me such gems, it's not the General Gouvernement in 1942. The federal republic is mostly a push-over, the only thing it could conceivably do is give Poland less EU funding because of issues like judges' appointments (an issue I can't evaluate in detail, but even if unjustified, it's hardly the return of Hans Frank).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Another Polish Perspective

    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you “recovered” those areas, that’s obviously no longer the case

    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen, etc… not Silesia – that were relatively late immigrants from the 19th century. Silesian people claim to be neither Polish nor German – in fact, Silesia voivodship was the only one with autonomy and its own parliament (“Sejm Śląski”) before 1939 in Poland. Even now, Silesians claim to be their own people, or at least neither fully Polish nor German. They sued both Poland and Germany in Strasbourg – and lost to both of them.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them. Sorbs are not the right comparison, since they are on life-support as a kind of German pets. The minority in Germany Poles should be compared are Danes, since they also have a state beside borders of Germany. And yes, as a minority Danes are better treated than Poles – they are recognized national minority in Germany.

    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept. As a recognized minority, Germans in Poland still have more rights than Poles in Germany.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen
     
    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can't claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
    According to Wikipedia (yes, yes I know, but I'm not going to look for something more reliable right now) as much as two thirds of Ruhrpolen left either for newly independent Poland or for France in the 1920s. So I'm confident that I'm essentially correct with my previous assertion.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them.
     
    Silly claim imo.
    But if you don't like such potentially negative consequences of Polish emigration, maybe you should lobby for emigration restrictions like in People's Poland.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept.
     
    No, absolutely not. That money is needed for operating Goethe-Institutes in Nigeria, Sudan, Ghana, Togo, Cameroon, Bangla, Pakistan, ...etc

    Replies: @songbird

  832. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Sure, it is the past and we are beyond that.

    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk - that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims. It was Kiev that rejected Minsk. The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine - plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion. It matters, because the assignment of crazy aggressive Russian goals is also how these people motivate themselves...and lie to their misinformed people.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine – plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion.

    You misunderstood (deliberately?) what I said about Putin’s quote. Discussion is being had continuously, freely.

    They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine. Not necessarily millions of troops stationed there (which a real occupation would require, thus they basically wanted to have their cake and eat it too – achieve grandiose political aims with limited physical and intellectual means). Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin’s – they talk about re-education camps for Ukrainians, they talk about taking Kyiv. I do not agree with you that what they have now is modest, as you described above – all that chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it’s basically stealing (do you like being stolen from, do you think it’s ok?), they have also stepped into indigenous Ukrainian territory now (such as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, etc). Ukraine has full rights to use military means to push them back according to international law.

    Once Russia would have taken over Ukraine (as they planned), they would have repeated their ultimatum to NATO on the steps of Poland and Baltics. “Pick up your items and leave EE”. This was their hope.

    Putin has outdated ideas about Ukraine. It is deluded thinking of a “patriotic pensioner” with catastrophic and criminal consequences.

    And probably an emasculated, demilitarized rump Ukraine in the center-west.

    Yea, and that’s not what Ukrainians want or any country would want of their population. Everybody wants their enemy to be emasculated, that’s wishful thinking. The opposite has happened, the Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine.
     
    They wanted influence and profits. So does EU, US, China, Poland, Turkey...who do you think controls Kiev now? The vague accusations of the other evil side of wanting what you want, what everyone always wants is idiocy. If you don't see it you are so deep into the narcissistic crap of "we good, they bad" and nobody can help you.

    Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin’
     
    Some of the statements on the Western-Ukie propaganda channels are even crazier. So what? I am for an absolute freedom of speech - if a nutcase in Moscow, London, Kiev or Warsaw wants to vent and hallucinate, what harm is to me? None of that matters - it is just the way tribes always provoke each other.

    chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it’s basically stealing
     
    Right. US steals, UK steals, and now, the horror! Russia is stealing. How can that be, we all know that nobody ever took others' land - only Russia! I have been counting on you being sane, are you?

    Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.
     
    When you are dead or maimed you are not manly, you are gone. Watch the emasculated Westerners giggle about how incredibly stupid these Ukies are - all the Ukie women that will be left at the mercy of the less manly Westerners, who does that? What is the point of dying so others can benefit? You are really 'showing' them, haha...

    Replies: @LatW

  833. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    But from 2014 to 2021 Russia was willing to settle for Minsk – that reality is in direct opposition to what the Ukie side now claims.
     
    It appears that the RF treated Minsk agreements seriously. This was a serious mistake on Putin’s part. As the acknowledgements of Merkel, Holland, and Poroshenko show, Minsk agreements were a deception, an intentional deception by the West and its Kiev lackeys.

    It was Kiev that rejected Minsk.
     
    Post-coup Kiev regime has no agency. Minsk was rejected (or, rather, meant as a deception) by its Western puppeteers.

    Replies: @LatW

    It appears that the RF treated Minsk agreements seriously.

    There was a recent Surkov admission on Telegram somewhere where he said he knew they would not be fulfilled. Don’t know if it was a real Telegram post by a real journalist who interviewed him or some fake, but it popped out a couple of weeks ago, was briefly reported on on the UA media, and then this lead wasn’t pursued.

  834. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you “recovered” those areas, that’s obviously no longer the case
     
    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen, etc... not Silesia - that were relatively late immigrants from the 19th century. Silesian people claim to be neither Polish nor German - in fact, Silesia voivodship was the only one with autonomy and its own parliament ("Sejm Śląski") before 1939 in Poland. Even now, Silesians claim to be their own people, or at least neither fully Polish nor German. They sued both Poland and Germany in Strasbourg - and lost to both of them.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them. Sorbs are not the right comparison, since they are on life-support as a kind of German pets. The minority in Germany Poles should be compared are Danes, since they also have a state beside borders of Germany. And yes, as a minority Danes are better treated than Poles - they are recognized national minority in Germany.

    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept. As a recognized minority, Germans in Poland still have more rights than Poles in Germany.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen

    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can’t claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
    According to Wikipedia (yes, yes I know, but I’m not going to look for something more reliable right now) as much as two thirds of Ruhrpolen left either for newly independent Poland or for France in the 1920s. So I’m confident that I’m essentially correct with my previous assertion.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them.

    Silly claim imo.
    But if you don’t like such potentially negative consequences of Polish emigration, maybe you should lobby for emigration restrictions like in People’s Poland.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can’t claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
     
    If you gave them a chance to be a Polish minority, I assure, some of them would claim it.

    Besides, the same with Germans in Poland. I have never heard about them before 1991. Most of them left for Germany long time ago, or live partly or mostly in Germany. Opole Voivodship has very high rates of depopulation.
    Those who still are in Poland are assimilated and speak Polish too. They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.

    You are a typical arrogant Germany, judging others but not giving them the right to judge you.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

  835. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen
     
    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can't claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
    According to Wikipedia (yes, yes I know, but I'm not going to look for something more reliable right now) as much as two thirds of Ruhrpolen left either for newly independent Poland or for France in the 1920s. So I'm confident that I'm essentially correct with my previous assertion.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them.
     
    Silly claim imo.
    But if you don't like such potentially negative consequences of Polish emigration, maybe you should lobby for emigration restrictions like in People's Poland.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can’t claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.

    If you gave them a chance to be a Polish minority, I assure, some of them would claim it.

    Besides, the same with Germans in Poland. I have never heard about them before 1991. Most of them left for Germany long time ago, or live partly or mostly in Germany. Opole Voivodship has very high rates of depopulation.
    Those who still are in Poland are assimilated and speak Polish too. They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.

    You are a typical arrogant Germany, judging others but not giving them the right to judge you.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Above all, there is no living German culture in Poland which according to the international standard is an indispensable facet of nationality. Everyone knows that people who claim to be Germans in Poland, do so for mostly economical reasons and do not have any other aspirations. Frankly, the small Polish minority in Czechia is more lively - at least they generated Halinka Mlynkova the singer.

    , @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.
     
    I'm not sure what's that supposed to mean.
    And sure, long-term the minority is probably going to dwindle away, probably inevitable. Still, absolutely dickish move by PiS to use the issue like that. imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation.
    Anyway, I've spent more time on this discussion than I wanted. And I guess I was unnecessarily rude towards you. I probably should be cautious about deriving excessive enjoyment from insulting other commenters. Still think though that you make lots of very questionable assertions.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  836. @Philip Owen
    @LatW

    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians. There is material to work with. The Qazaqs can readily claim up to the Volga if Russia becomes weak. Even do a deal. North Qazaqstan to Russia as a swap. (All fantasy, I know but claims could be made).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Historically, Russian ethnic claims from Samara south are as ethically sound as those of the US west of the Appalachians.

    Of course! I am not endorsing in any way Arestovych’s fantastical babble (I already mentioned, it is a bit tactless). It’s just an interesting, somewhat wild geopolitical discussion. Arestovych is a Russophone Kievan who still occasionally pines after the SU (and praises the SU’s achievements), who is very experimental in his thinking and has visions of grandeur now, he is very different from the kind of salt of the earth Ukrainian types, such as Zaluzhny and Budanov who do not have any such ideas or fantasies. The only thing they would ask in the end, in case they succeeded, would be a limited demilitarized zone (200kms or so).

  837. @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can’t claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
     
    If you gave them a chance to be a Polish minority, I assure, some of them would claim it.

    Besides, the same with Germans in Poland. I have never heard about them before 1991. Most of them left for Germany long time ago, or live partly or mostly in Germany. Opole Voivodship has very high rates of depopulation.
    Those who still are in Poland are assimilated and speak Polish too. They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.

    You are a typical arrogant Germany, judging others but not giving them the right to judge you.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

    Above all, there is no living German culture in Poland which according to the international standard is an indispensable facet of nationality. Everyone knows that people who claim to be Germans in Poland, do so for mostly economical reasons and do not have any other aspirations. Frankly, the small Polish minority in Czechia is more lively – at least they generated Halinka Mlynkova the singer.

  838. @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    I am still laughing about the way the represented Russia.
     
    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.

    As Einstein rightly said, “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

    Replies: @Yahya

    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.

    It’s a cool image though.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Yahya


    It’s a cool image though.
     
    Vodka is missing. From Western pov it must be there, even though today Russia is not even in the top ten countries in alcohol consumption (I guess Putin convinced Russians that you can be macho w/o heavy drinking and smoking).
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    https://youtube.com/shorts/6LMI8tA2NU4?feature=share

    Replies: @Yahya

  839. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Those were mostly assimilated long ago. You may regard it as a tragic loss to the Polish nation (maybe even with good reason), but you can’t claim that they still exist as an identifiable national minority today.
     
    If you gave them a chance to be a Polish minority, I assure, some of them would claim it.

    Besides, the same with Germans in Poland. I have never heard about them before 1991. Most of them left for Germany long time ago, or live partly or mostly in Germany. Opole Voivodship has very high rates of depopulation.
    Those who still are in Poland are assimilated and speak Polish too. They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.

    You are a typical arrogant Germany, judging others but not giving them the right to judge you.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @German_reader

    They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.

    I’m not sure what’s that supposed to mean.
    And sure, long-term the minority is probably going to dwindle away, probably inevitable. Still, absolutely dickish move by PiS to use the issue like that. imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation.
    Anyway, I’ve spent more time on this discussion than I wanted. And I guess I was unnecessarily rude towards you. I probably should be cautious about deriving excessive enjoyment from insulting other commenters. Still think though that you make lots of very questionable assertions.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    I’m not sure what’s that supposed to mean.
     
    Since the only German thing they can do is learning German, they show off their German study whenever necessary for Germany. They are essentially subsidized learners of German, not even noticing how ridiculous this makes them as a minority - after all, the knowledge of German language they should acquire in home.

    " imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation."

    This is projecting. Germany started this war by not fulfilling the 1991 treaty. Germany can end it.

    Replies: @German_reader

  840. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    They keep their German identity to show off for political reason.
     
    I'm not sure what's that supposed to mean.
    And sure, long-term the minority is probably going to dwindle away, probably inevitable. Still, absolutely dickish move by PiS to use the issue like that. imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation.
    Anyway, I've spent more time on this discussion than I wanted. And I guess I was unnecessarily rude towards you. I probably should be cautious about deriving excessive enjoyment from insulting other commenters. Still think though that you make lots of very questionable assertions.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    I’m not sure what’s that supposed to mean.

    Since the only German thing they can do is learning German, they show off their German study whenever necessary for Germany. They are essentially subsidized learners of German, not even noticing how ridiculous this makes them as a minority – after all, the knowledge of German language they should acquire in home.

    ” imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation.”

    This is projecting. Germany started this war by not fulfilling the 1991 treaty. Germany can end it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Germany started this war
     
    Telling choice of words. Certainly feels like PiS Poland thinks it's still in some kind of ethnic war with Germany (instead of just a political conflict about the future of the EU, preservation of national sovereignty etc.). Which imo is just crazy. But no point to continuing this discussion, our perspectives are too divergent.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  841. @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    Well yes, back then there were actually still mixed areas where Poles were a long-established national group since medieval times, but since you “recovered” those areas, that’s obviously no longer the case
     
    The main group of POlish minority before 1939 was in the Western Germany, Rheinland, Westfalen, etc... not Silesia - that were relatively late immigrants from the 19th century. Silesian people claim to be neither Polish nor German - in fact, Silesia voivodship was the only one with autonomy and its own parliament ("Sejm Śląski") before 1939 in Poland. Even now, Silesians claim to be their own people, or at least neither fully Polish nor German. They sued both Poland and Germany in Strasbourg - and lost to both of them.

    Germans keep down Poles as they want to germanize them. Sorbs are not the right comparison, since they are on life-support as a kind of German pets. The minority in Germany Poles should be compared are Danes, since they also have a state beside borders of Germany. And yes, as a minority Danes are better treated than Poles - they are recognized national minority in Germany.

    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept. As a recognized minority, Germans in Poland still have more rights than Poles in Germany.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird

    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept.

    No, absolutely not. That money is needed for operating Goethe-Institutes in Nigeria, Sudan, Ghana, Togo, Cameroon, Bangla, Pakistan, …etc

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    Incidentally, I wonder how many of these places (especially in Africa) are gay sinecures - essentially sex tourism with a residence. Never been to the local one, but I knew the reputation of the head of it, at one time.
    ______
    Tiny apples in Yakutia. Almost looks like a cherry tree:
    https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1630601827556245508?s=20

    Am surprised that the cold doesn't kill the trees.

  842. German_reader says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @German_reader


    I’m not sure what’s that supposed to mean.
     
    Since the only German thing they can do is learning German, they show off their German study whenever necessary for Germany. They are essentially subsidized learners of German, not even noticing how ridiculous this makes them as a minority - after all, the knowledge of German language they should acquire in home.

    " imo that kind of attitude just precludes any genuine cooperation."

    This is projecting. Germany started this war by not fulfilling the 1991 treaty. Germany can end it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Germany started this war

    Telling choice of words. Certainly feels like PiS Poland thinks it’s still in some kind of ethnic war with Germany (instead of just a political conflict about the future of the EU, preservation of national sovereignty etc.). Which imo is just crazy. But no point to continuing this discussion, our perspectives are too divergent.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    I remember reading some time ago that the most prolific serial killer/ rapist in Germany during the war ( taking advantage of no lighting allowed at night because of the air raids)....... was an ethnic Pole

    Replies: @German_reader

  843. @LatW
    @songbird


    Not great rhetoric for any of the Slavs being thrown continuously into the meat grinder.
     
    This is not true, songbird. There are crowds of Western people who follow Ukraine online, groups such as NAFO, as well as private individuals on Twitter, where news about fallen Ukrainian soldiers are posted and everyone commiserates, everyone posts condolences and comments of support.

    Replies: @songbird

    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a "good peace strategy" either.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @songbird

  844. @songbird
    @LatW

    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.

    Replies: @LatW

    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.

    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW



    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.
     
    Correctly identifying demonic Rape-ugees entering the EU would be a huge step forward as a peace strategy. Turning enemy combatants out is a no brainer.

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like "Stay in Africa" plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Of course, Germany does not want this European value. They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @German_reader

    , @German_reader
    @LatW

    What are you going to do if Ukraine's upcoming offensives fail to gain much ground and the happy ending you wish for (total Ukrainian victory without triggering a wider conflict/nuclear war) doesn't materialize?
    tbf at this point it's hard to see any "good" ending to this; since no Ukrainian government could probably recognize the Russian annexations since last February, there's not really much to negotiate about, except maybe a ceasefire.
    But is there a point at which you think this war might have to be ended nevertheless to prevent greater damage? Or would you be fine with it going on for another 2-3 years?

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.
     
    Many historical instances of one party attacking another to try to get them to sue for peace. Even the US has been the target of it. To take that example: I'm not sure that the demand for an unconditional surrender was the maximization of good, even from the perspective of normal Americans. (And there is a fair case to be made that lack of good communication caused the war).

    In the past, I have also pointed out how there have been many successful cases of appeasement. And also how I am not sure that Europeans have benefited from the demonization of historical figures, and in fact there is strong reason to believe that it has harmed their core interests.

    Hyperbolic terms like "genocide", "crimes against humanity" seem calculated to try to engineer an unconditional surrender. That is certainly not the minimization of Ukrainian dead (not to mention Russian), and I believe you yourself have acknowledged this in the past, saying that it is a worthwhile trade for land.

    I will not try to impugn that settlement, but I think there needs to be some amount of realism about it. What is the goal of Ukrainians? To remove ethnic Russians from Donbass and Crimea? Then it is nearly the exact crime that Putin is accused of with only the most tenuous legal justifications - Soviet borders. (All that is changed is who is the David and who the Goliath). And we all know that Soviets had the most logical administrative borders, don't we? No problems manifested there in other places, right?

    What Ze wanted to do with Donbass, Putin wanted to do with some portion of Ukraine. Maybe, we should ask him, what portion? What is the goal of Putin? It has to be something less than what the most extreme claim - that it is a struggle Westward to the Atlantic.

    Somewhere, I think Russia's manpower advantage needs to be acknowledged. Do you think that waves of Ukrainians should be sent against a force 3x their numbers (when it is inevitably mobilized), to take back ethnic Russian territory? I do not - I will will flatly say it is unrealistically shortsided, probably, shows gross incompetence of leadership, and I would classify it as mass homicide.

  845. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.
     
    Hinting at Hillary’s mad witch cackle when she talked about brutal murder of Gaddafi?

    Replies: @songbird

    On youtube, there is apparently a video of HRC laughing for ten hours. I assume it contains repeated clips, and will leave it to others to verify, but I thought this comment below the video was pretty funny:

    I’ve decided to hide a speaker somewhere in my brother’s room and play this over bluetooth in the middle of the night really really quietly.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    On youtube, there is apparently a video of HRC laughing for ten hours.
     
    I don’t think she has (or ever had) stamina for this. But I remember her mad witch cackle when she talked about the murder of Gaddafi.
  846. @German_reader
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Germany started this war
     
    Telling choice of words. Certainly feels like PiS Poland thinks it's still in some kind of ethnic war with Germany (instead of just a political conflict about the future of the EU, preservation of national sovereignty etc.). Which imo is just crazy. But no point to continuing this discussion, our perspectives are too divergent.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    I remember reading some time ago that the most prolific serial killer/ rapist in Germany during the war ( taking advantage of no lighting allowed at night because of the air raids)……. was an ethnic Pole

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Gerard1234

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ogorzow

    Was from East Prussia, and an NSDAP and SA member even before 1933. Despite the name probably not Polish in any meaningful sense.

  847. @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN


    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.
     
    It’s a cool image though.

    https://i.ibb.co/CmJbLR7/1-BF3-C6-CA-07-AB-4980-9351-C52-F55-F99-F1-A.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s a cool image though.

    Vodka is missing. From Western pov it must be there, even though today Russia is not even in the top ten countries in alcohol consumption (I guess Putin convinced Russians that you can be macho w/o heavy drinking and smoking).

  848. @LatW
    @songbird


    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a "good peace strategy" either.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @songbird

    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.

    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.

    Correctly identifying demonic Rape-ugees entering the EU would be a huge step forward as a peace strategy. Turning enemy combatants out is a no brainer.

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like “Stay in Africa” plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Of course, Germany does not want this European value. They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    I have no objection to your plan whatsoever (I have to abstain from elaborating though, I want to avoid being caught by an algorithm that reads these pages). That's a very sound plan. I would support the necessary pre-emptive actions as well. I love the sound of the "Stay in Africa" slogan.

    I'm not sure though if Germany is the only one to be blamed here. But I guess you want to star in one of those above videos. :)

    , @Yahya
    @A123


    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like “Stay in Africa” plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.
     
    Just get rid of the asylum system altogether. The whole “processing” schtick gives migrants an incentive to give it a try. Only a resolute: “no migrants are welcome here” can keep them out. If you still want the economic benefits of high-skilled migration; look towards Saudi Arabia or the UAE for their citizenship model. There’s a reason why even with a population comprising 30-40+% foreigners; none of the indigenous inhabitants of Arabia are at risk of being demographically swamped - they don’t hand out citizenship except through the patrilineal line (viz. father must be Saudi/Emirati to obtain citizenship). Simple yet effective.
    , @German_reader
    @A123


    They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.
     
    That's actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.
    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn't really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.

    Replies: @A123

  849. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    On youtube, there is apparently a video of HRC laughing for ten hours. I assume it contains repeated clips, and will leave it to others to verify, but I thought this comment below the video was pretty funny:


    I've decided to hide a speaker somewhere in my brother's room and play this over bluetooth in the middle of the night really really quietly.
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    On youtube, there is apparently a video of HRC laughing for ten hours.

    I don’t think she has (or ever had) stamina for this. But I remember her mad witch cackle when she talked about the murder of Gaddafi.

    • LOL: songbird
  850. @A123
    @LatW



    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.
     
    Correctly identifying demonic Rape-ugees entering the EU would be a huge step forward as a peace strategy. Turning enemy combatants out is a no brainer.

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like "Stay in Africa" plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Of course, Germany does not want this European value. They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @German_reader

    I have no objection to your plan whatsoever (I have to abstain from elaborating though, I want to avoid being caught by an algorithm that reads these pages). That’s a very sound plan. I would support the necessary pre-emptive actions as well. I love the sound of the “Stay in Africa” slogan.

    I’m not sure though if Germany is the only one to be blamed here. But I guess you want to star in one of those above videos. 🙂

  851. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @songbird


    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a "good peace strategy" either.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @songbird

    What are you going to do if Ukraine’s upcoming offensives fail to gain much ground and the happy ending you wish for (total Ukrainian victory without triggering a wider conflict/nuclear war) doesn’t materialize?
    tbf at this point it’s hard to see any “good” ending to this; since no Ukrainian government could probably recognize the Russian annexations since last February, there’s not really much to negotiate about, except maybe a ceasefire.
    But is there a point at which you think this war might have to be ended nevertheless to prevent greater damage? Or would you be fine with it going on for another 2-3 years?

  852. @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    I remember reading some time ago that the most prolific serial killer/ rapist in Germany during the war ( taking advantage of no lighting allowed at night because of the air raids)....... was an ethnic Pole

    Replies: @German_reader

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ogorzow

    Was from East Prussia, and an NSDAP and SA member even before 1933. Despite the name probably not Polish in any meaningful sense.

    • Thanks: Gerard1234
  853. @A123
    @LatW



    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.
     
    Correctly identifying demonic Rape-ugees entering the EU would be a huge step forward as a peace strategy. Turning enemy combatants out is a no brainer.

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like "Stay in Africa" plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Of course, Germany does not want this European value. They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @German_reader

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like “Stay in Africa” plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Just get rid of the asylum system altogether. The whole “processing” schtick gives migrants an incentive to give it a try. Only a resolute: “no migrants are welcome here” can keep them out. If you still want the economic benefits of high-skilled migration; look towards Saudi Arabia or the UAE for their citizenship model. There’s a reason why even with a population comprising 30-40+% foreigners; none of the indigenous inhabitants of Arabia are at risk of being demographically swamped – they don’t hand out citizenship except through the patrilineal line (viz. father must be Saudi/Emirati to obtain citizenship). Simple yet effective.

  854. What are you going to do if Ukraine’s upcoming offensives fail to gain much ground and the happy ending you wish for (total Ukrainian victory without triggering a wider conflict/nuclear war) doesn’t materialize?

    It is possible that the big offensive that is apparently being planned will not be enough to reach the goal (set by the Ukrainian government, borders of 1991). But it is nevertheless important to go ahead with it, to push the opponent back.

    tbf at this point it’s hard to see any “good” ending to this

    “Good” is not the right word to use here. Either way, it is a huge tragedy that will take years to soothe. The one positive result is that the Ukrainian state has been preserved.

    since no Ukrainian government could probably recognize the Russian annexations since last February, there’s not really much to negotiate about, except maybe a ceasefire.

    Not only the Ukrainian government will recognize those annexations, but also many other countries won’t (probably most countries of the world). Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now – Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.

    But is there a point at which you think this war might have to be ended nevertheless to prevent greater damage?

    It’s really not about me personally. But about the Ukrainian General Staff. But anything going over 150K for Ukrainian dead would make me very uncomfortable – not that those casualties that have happened so far are in any way acceptable either! We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don’t like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.

    Or would you be fine with it going on for another 2-3 years?

    It most likely cannot physically go on at this intensity for 2-3 years. I highly doubt it is possible. It could go on for years at a much lower rate of fire. And, no, I would not be “fine with it”, it would still be a horrific tragedy and a huge cost for Ukraine (same as everything that transpired after 2014, there were casualties from skirmishes back then all the time even though it was low intensity). However, Ukraine could be armed well and if these skirmishes were to continue, then at least the casualty rate would be kept to a minimum.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Did you read this ?

    https://les.media/articles/762502-20-tezisov-pro-voynu-i-mir-for-landing

    Replies: @LatW

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now – Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.
     
    I didn't write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).
    Obviously Ukraine is fully in its rights to do so. The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc., because that's another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.
    But sure, if Ukraine can manage such attacks on its own, one can hardly object, an attacker has to reckon with such retaliation. Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.
    I'm not convinced though it's a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.

    We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don’t like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.
     
    I don't want to fight either. I've probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.
    The way I see it, there are no good options now. There may have been a short time window to stop the war and bring about a mutually acceptable negotiated settlement in spring 2022, but that opportunity is clearly past now...I understand that no Ukrainian government could accept the annexations since then (which also include Russian claims on territory Russia doesn't control after all). So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.
    I think total Ukrainian victory is unlikely with the kind of support they're realistically going to receive (and there are other factors, most notably China), and tbh I don't think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea (or the parts of Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022, where most of the remaining residents probably are genuinely anti-Ukraine), the risks of this escalating to a nuclear crisis are too high.
    Anyway, one has to wait what the summer brings, probably no point to idle speculation.

    Replies: @LatW

  855. @songbird
    @A123

    Nobody with an SOI (Sociosexual Orientation Inventory) as high as Kamala's should be allowed to be dog-catcher, let alone VP.

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @S

    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.

    What have you got against Hillary!? 😀

    Though agreed, she did have that Wicked Witch of the West laugh/cackle down pretty good. 🙂

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    @S

    TBH, I had put Hillary out of my mind, and was thinking of Kamala and certain others still in power, like Elizabeth Warren.

    Grew up heavily immersed in a culture about witch trials. Guessing it was probably the local state norm, due to Salem. And indeed, it was popular subject with a lot of local writers like Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. or Nathaniel Hawthorne (who was born in Salem).

    I recall being told about the idea of a "Devil's mark", while on a school field trip to a museum Salem. That was said to be like a mole or freckle, or other mark which was supposed to be evidence that the Devil had entered someone.

    Of course, it sounds a little silly. I have known people with moles and freckles that were quite good people. But still I wonder if the idea might not have some seed of truth to it, if only as an analogy or surreal suggestion. Perhaps, physiognomy or something like "voiceology" or "cackelology."

    I did once read a scifi story where aliens created a duplicate of a dead man, by analyzing a recording of his voice. Perhaps, something can be told by the sound of a laugh...

    Replies: @S

  856. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @LatW



    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.
     
    Correctly identifying demonic Rape-ugees entering the EU would be a huge step forward as a peace strategy. Turning enemy combatants out is a no brainer.

    Imagine how much better Europe would be if Christian nations had a Trump-like "Stay in Africa" plan. Every illegal would be sent to Africa for processing. When, the fabricated refugee claim is denied, they have no way to leech the European system.

    Of course, Germany does not want this European value. They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Yahya, @German_reader

    They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.

    That’s actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.
    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn’t really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    That’s actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.
     
    Thanks. Its a start.

    It is painfully clear that Not-The-President Biden's administration is puppetered by outside Anti-American forces. If you stop trying to inappropriately and clumsily shift blame to the U.S. -- I can stop reshifting the blame to Germany. You cannot possibly believe that "Not-The-President Biden represents America" or "America's unelected regime is setting global policy".

    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn’t really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.
     
    Even European politicians are admitting something on the order of 1/3 of Ukrainian document holders are actually MENA origin. The link between migration and the conflict is hard to deny.

    If you want to say that neither Zelensky nor Putin are fighting for EU migration -- I would agree with that statement. Just like Not-The-President Biden, Zelensky acts like a puppet (though Z may actually be a willing collaborator instead). Putin was stuck with the "least bad option", a major offensive he really does not want. An armistice should be easy to achieve once Zelensky flees to his safe haven in Europe.

    As long as Zelensky is in charge, the puppet masters will try keep the unwinnable fight going. However, real America has neither prestige nor commitment at stake. The unelected White House puppet is losing the ability to deliver cash for a non-American endeavor.

    Will Zelensky's true masters step up with billions of €uros when the dollars go away?

    If not, something big will likely happen in the Fall when war funding dries up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

  857. @LatW
    @songbird


    Demonization is never a good peace strategy.
     
    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a "good peace strategy" either.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader, @songbird

    Being a fucking demon that walks into a neighboring country and murders good looking youths is not a “good peace strategy” either.

    Many historical instances of one party attacking another to try to get them to sue for peace. Even the US has been the target of it. To take that example: I’m not sure that the demand for an unconditional surrender was the maximization of good, even from the perspective of normal Americans.

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    (And there is a fair case to be made that lack of good communication caused the war).

    In the past, I have also pointed out how there have been many successful cases of appeasement. And also how I am not sure that Europeans have benefited from the demonization of historical figures, and in fact there is strong reason to believe that it has harmed their core interests.

    Hyperbolic terms like “genocide”, “crimes against humanity” seem calculated to try to engineer an unconditional surrender. That is certainly not the minimization of Ukrainian dead (not to mention Russian), and I believe you yourself have acknowledged this in the past, saying that it is a worthwhile trade for land.

    I will not try to impugn that settlement, but I think there needs to be some amount of realism about it. What is the goal of Ukrainians? To remove ethnic Russians from Donbass and Crimea? Then it is nearly the exact crime that Putin is accused of with only the most tenuous legal justifications – Soviet borders. (All that is changed is who is the David and who the Goliath). And we all know that Soviets had the most logical administrative borders, don’t we? No problems manifested there in other places, right?

    What Ze wanted to do with Donbass, Putin wanted to do with some portion of Ukraine. Maybe, we should ask him, what portion? What is the goal of Putin? It has to be something less than what the most extreme claim – that it is a struggle Westward to the Atlantic.

    Somewhere, I think Russia’s manpower advantage needs to be acknowledged. Do you think that waves of Ukrainians should be sent against a force 3x their numbers (when it is inevitably mobilized), to take back ethnic Russian territory? I do not – I will will flatly say it is unrealistically shortsided, probably, shows gross incompetence of leadership, and I would classify it as mass homicide.

  858. @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN


    Standard Western image of Russia is a bear wearing “ushanka” hat, with balalaika in one paw and a bottle of vodka in another.
     
    It’s a cool image though.

    https://i.ibb.co/CmJbLR7/1-BF3-C6-CA-07-AB-4980-9351-C52-F55-F99-F1-A.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Ivashka the fool

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://youtu.be/djMORfuaIzA

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  859. @LatW

    What are you going to do if Ukraine’s upcoming offensives fail to gain much ground and the happy ending you wish for (total Ukrainian victory without triggering a wider conflict/nuclear war) doesn’t materialize?
     
    It is possible that the big offensive that is apparently being planned will not be enough to reach the goal (set by the Ukrainian government, borders of 1991). But it is nevertheless important to go ahead with it, to push the opponent back.

    tbf at this point it’s hard to see any “good” ending to this
     
    "Good" is not the right word to use here. Either way, it is a huge tragedy that will take years to soothe. The one positive result is that the Ukrainian state has been preserved.

    since no Ukrainian government could probably recognize the Russian annexations since last February, there’s not really much to negotiate about, except maybe a ceasefire.
     
    Not only the Ukrainian government will recognize those annexations, but also many other countries won't (probably most countries of the world). Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now - Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.

    But is there a point at which you think this war might have to be ended nevertheless to prevent greater damage?
     
    It's really not about me personally. But about the Ukrainian General Staff. But anything going over 150K for Ukrainian dead would make me very uncomfortable - not that those casualties that have happened so far are in any way acceptable either! We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don't like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.

    Or would you be fine with it going on for another 2-3 years?
     
    It most likely cannot physically go on at this intensity for 2-3 years. I highly doubt it is possible. It could go on for years at a much lower rate of fire. And, no, I would not be "fine with it", it would still be a horrific tragedy and a huge cost for Ukraine (same as everything that transpired after 2014, there were casualties from skirmishes back then all the time even though it was low intensity). However, Ukraine could be armed well and if these skirmishes were to continue, then at least the casualty rate would be kept to a minimum.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @German_reader

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Did you read this ?
     
    Now that Russia is losing (or their campaign stalled at least), I've been noticing a lot of these calls for peace, when the pendulum has swung in disadvantage to Russia, there are now calls to stop. Where were these calls on February 23, 2022, and even before that, when troops where amassing on the borders? When Ukrainians were subjected to the constant terror? When Kadyrov was demonstrating his bearded troops, all dressed in black, in order to intimidate not just Ukrainians, but also the rest of us. Look at this formidable force, we are coming to murder your son! Where were all these "peace lovers" then?

    There is a lot to unpack in that article, there is a lot I object to but also a few points I agree with.


    Но и идея уничтожить Россию, «отменить» русскую культуру — не менее преступна и ошибочна.
     
    Under normal circumstances, there could maybe be some kind of a discussion about accommodating the Russian interests (with the expectation that Russia should reciprocate, for instance, allow Ukrainian and Finno Ugric schools on Russian territory as well), or at least allow them some space.

    But because of the invasion (and on top of it, the way that the invasion was carried out, with Bucha, etc), the presence of Russian actually becomes a security issue, a huge liability. The Russian culture is used as a weapon against locals. Such a risk cannot be allowed to be passed down to the coming generations. From my Russophilic side, I want some of it to be retained, but the rational side says that very clear boundaries should've been drawn long ago.

    Разумная цель (для любой стороны) — мир, а не борьба до полного уничтожения противника.
     
    Why, in many wars that's exactly the end goal. No, the rational goal for the Ukrainian side is to recover what was stolen from them and free their population that is under temporary occupation right now and waiting for liberation at least in the areas that are indigenous to Ukraine, as long as they have the will and the means for it. Those are pure laws of Nature. The Russian side would do exactly the same thing if they had been invaded, if the war was raging on their territory and if they had the upper hand. And they would do it much more harshly and decisively. They would not allow the enemy to remain on their soil, for as long as they could.

    Но это не повод для ее оправдания путем нормализации
     
    The normalization of the war, even if involuntary, becomes inevitable, the natural response is to defend oneself, not lay down and be ravaged.

    Россия (в большей мере, чем Украина и ее союзники) ответственна за минимум десятки тысяч смертей на Украине и за бедственное положение миллионов беженцев.
    Но это не снимает ответственности с Украины и ее союзников за гибель людей в Донбассе в ходе войны 2014-2022 годов, как и в ходе текущего конфликта.
     
    Russia's guilt is that those atrocities are happening on the Ukrainian soil. Ukrainians are not committing atrocities or aggression somewhere in Kursk or Belgorod. Regarding Donbas, the allies did not anticipate that the Donbas militia would be armed to the extent they were and that the conflict would grow into a war. Many EU allies would've also supported language rights for Donbas (or some kind of autonomous rights). They may hold some responsibility for not helping to diffuse the situation before it turned hostile, although it is hard to say what they could've done (most of the world doesn't care enough about Eastern Slavs to diffuse their conflicts).

    I have already stated several times that some kind of a special forces operation, very early on, could've been a much better idea (тихо прийшов, тихо пішов), instead of showing up with damn tanks like in the Soviet days, then leaving because people didn't want you there and then coming back with Grad missiles and hitting their homes. I will also admit that there is some responsibility in ignoring some of the atrocities (or the so called collateral damage, which was extremely severe). Maybe compensation should be paid to the victims from the Russian funds that are now frozen (in case of the liberation of these territories). Also, not everybody in Donbas is Russian, many Ukrainians had to flee from there.

    However, the allies can not be blamed for supporting Ukraine when Ukraine tried to defend its territorial integrity against a militia that was armed by an outside force (Russia) and during a time of direct Russian intervention (the so called "Northern Wind").

    Навязывание коллективной вины любому народу — вранье и манипуляция.
    Но признание военных преступлений и ошибок необходимо.
     
    True, every crime committed has a name behind it and the name of the one who gave the order. The "collective" aspect here is that relatively large masses of Russians supported this, which once again, makes any association with Russians, a security liability.

    Нельзя не понимать тех украинских граждан, которые встали на защиту своей страны, своих родных и близких, их гнев.
    Но нельзя не понимать и жителей Донбасса, которые стали на защиту своих ценностей, своих родных и близких, и их гнев.
     
    Yes, the position of Donbassers is understandable, they did not want an alien culture pushed on them, but right now the war is way beyond Donbas - places in Central and even Western Ukraine have been under systematic attack. Places that are indigenously Ukrainian and where the Ukrainian political system existed.

    По результатам первого года войну можно назвать антироссийским предприятием, предательством интересов России. Все три объявленные цели российской спецоперации оказались проваленными
     
    This one is very problematic. He is basically implying that had the Russian military succeeded and Putin's initial goals would have been achieved, everything would've been ok. As in, justified. It completely neglects the fact that this was a crime of aggression. And above all - that having such goals towards a neighbor, in and of itself, is deeply problematic.

    Это часть большой картины противостояния в мире, а данном случае «игры на разрыв» Украины между геополитическими противниками.
     
    This is very tragic and unfair to Ukraine. This just highlights the need for security guarantees for Ukraine. And the need for Ukraine to be strengthened enough so as not to become such a playground for outside powers.

    Западная военная помощь Украине — это не помощь Украине, а инструмент войны с Россией за счет принесения в жертву украинских граждан.
     
    This is not proper wording. The Western help to Ukraine is not an instrument of war against Russia, it is an instrument of deterrence against Russia. If Russian troops were not physically located on Ukrainian soil, especially in areas that are relatively far from the Russian border, there would be no physical elimination of them. Also, the Ukrainian citizens are not "sacrificed", Ukrainian citizens have agency and they have made a rational choice to defend their homeland against an invasion.

    Западные страны не только на Украине, но и в других странах, пограничных России, систематически поддерживают и националистические (или исламистские) антироссийские идеологии, что нельзя не понимать как агрессию.
     
    The problem here is that these states do have their own national cultures that they want to protect. Russia too is nationalistic. So Russia can be nationalistic / imperialistic but these neighbors cannot be nationalistic in a protective way? Nobody was ever going to attack RF militarily on their territory. RF had already protected themselves from any evil Western influence by locking up or exiling everyone who could've served as a Western 5th column.


    Систематический отказ от признания военных ошибок и нарушений международного гуманитарного права неизбежно приведет к тому, что власть в России окажется в руках не альтруистов и героев войны, а тех, кто готовил себе карьеру доносами и интригами в тылу, враньем и очковтирательством.
     
    This is a big risk, because the war of aggression on foreign soil can turn around and become a mafia war or a war of competing groups within Russia itself. Those who were raping and stealing and murdering in Ukraine can return home and they will be emboldened by their adventures and will have a lower moral threshold.

    Anyway, I don't want to inundate you with this (wish there were nicer things to talk about), but there is a lot to be said about these points. As I said, some of the points I can agree with. But these points were sorely needed in January 2022, now is a bit late.

    Replies: @LatW

  860. @S
    @songbird


    Would also ban anyone with a cackle from seeking public office.
     
    What have you got against Hillary!? :-D

    Though agreed, she did have that Wicked Witch of the West laugh/cackle down pretty good. :-)



    https://halloweenalley.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/wicked-witch-of-the-west-costume-for-Halloween-768x432.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    TBH, I had put Hillary out of my mind, and was thinking of Kamala and certain others still in power, like Elizabeth Warren.

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    Grew up heavily immersed in a culture about witch trials. Guessing it was probably the local state norm, due to Salem. And indeed, it was popular subject with a lot of local writers like Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. or Nathaniel Hawthorne (who was born in Salem).

    I recall being told about the idea of a “Devil’s mark”, while on a school field trip to a museum Salem. That was said to be like a mole or freckle, or other mark which was supposed to be evidence that the Devil had entered someone.

    Of course, it sounds a little silly. I have known people with moles and freckles that were quite good people. But still I wonder if the idea might not have some seed of truth to it, if only as an analogy or surreal suggestion. Perhaps, physiognomy or something like “voiceology” or “cackelology.”

    I did once read a scifi story where aliens created a duplicate of a dead man, by analyzing a recording of his voice. Perhaps, something can be told by the sound of a laugh…

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird

    Warren, Hillary, and Harris, could be the new 'weird sisters' of Shakespeare's Macbeth, though it's questionable how good of a job they would do. :-)


    I recall being told about the idea of a “Devil’s mark”, while on a school field trip to a museum Salem. That was said to be like a mole or freckle, or other mark which was supposed to be evidence that the Devil had entered someone.

     

    Odd stuff. The Salem Witch Trials series with Kirstie Allie looked at some of that...



    https://youtu.be/NbweG15Xlyg
  861. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    https://youtube.com/shorts/6LMI8tA2NU4?feature=share

    Replies: @Yahya

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    There is a monastery in Bosnia dedicated to a saint who the bears and other wildlife loved and they keep a couple dozen pet bears on the premises. All the images of the monks with bears on the first page of google search were thumbnail (lame).

    I believe it's this guy but their website is not in English so it's clumsy to get all the details straight.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Serafim_and_a_bear.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov

    Feeding bears is not cheap and you want to make sure they have plenty to eat. : )

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

  862. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    The Karaite were spared because they were not Talmudic Jews, not because they were not Semites. The Karaites are descended from the Jews of the Abbasid Caliphate, whose Rosh HaGola had renounced the Talmud and embraced the reading and teaching of the Torah for all members of the community. IIRC it happened in the 10th or 11th century AD. Before him, the Torah was considered as secondary to the Talmud and was mainly read by the Rabbis and the literati. Hence the name of the Sect, Karaim - Readers. The Karaim were also sincere and patriotic citizens of the Russian Empire who seved it often in the military. Nazis had no reason to go after them. And BTW, Nazis had nothing against Semites per se, they got along well with Arabs. They even got along with right-wing Zionists and tried to negotiate a repatriation to Palestine for all those interested.

    https://www.kedem-auctions.com/en/content/nazi-medallion-swastika-and-star-david%E2%80%93-nazi-travels-palestine-1934

    The American and Soviet take on the Holocaust is BS.

    Replies: @S

    The American and Soviet take on the Holocaust is BS.

    For decades after the US Civil War of 1861-65, and in regards to the Union POW’s held by the Confederacy during that war, the US South was forever being harangued in the corporate media of the day.

    The many accusations revolved around ‘the camps’, the ‘cattle cars’, the shooting down of prisoners for sport by one major camp’s commanding officer, the health measures put in place to preserve the Union POW’s lives, such as vaccination against disease, being turned upside down into cleverly disguised instruments of mass murder, ie ‘poisonous injections’, and most importantly, the planned mass murder of the POW’s by way of their deliberate starvation.

    If it all sounds rather familiar, well, it should.

    The only problem about these accusations is that they simply were not true, and this is generally now acknowledged to be the case, though, not too loudly.

  863. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    https://youtu.be/djMORfuaIzA

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a monastery in Bosnia dedicated to a saint who the bears and other wildlife loved and they keep a couple dozen pet bears on the premises. All the images of the monks with bears on the first page of google search were thumbnail (lame).

    I believe it’s this guy but their website is not in English so it’s clumsy to get all the details straight.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov

    Feeding bears is not cheap and you want to make sure they have plenty to eat. : )

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Saint Séraphim was Russian and is considered the Saint Patron of the Russian lands. Interestingly, he prophesied the Revolution and a subsequent restauration of Russian monarchy. The Revolution happened quite similar to what he described, the monarchy restauration didn't happen yet.

    , @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, interesting information. There’s something noble and alluring about those old Christian saints. Not sure if I’m willing or capable of imitating their ascetic way of life; but there’s something to learn from their renouncement of the material world. Asceticism is also lauded in Islam; at least from my readings of the Hadiths and Imam Ghazali; and I believe in Buddhism as well (though my knowledge of the tradition is limited). There’s definitely a kernel of wisdom in the ascetic way of life. i’ve always felt that the luxurious life was sort of soulless; but wasn’t aware of an alternative. again, I’m not ready to renounce all worldly goods; but i’ve incorporated some aspects to my life.

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  864. @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Germans can pay for German classes to their minority in Poland on their own, if they dislike Polish minority concept.
     
    No, absolutely not. That money is needed for operating Goethe-Institutes in Nigeria, Sudan, Ghana, Togo, Cameroon, Bangla, Pakistan, ...etc

    Replies: @songbird

    Incidentally, I wonder how many of these places (especially in Africa) are gay sinecures – essentially sex tourism with a residence. Never been to the local one, but I knew the reputation of the head of it, at one time.
    ______
    Tiny apples in Yakutia. Almost looks like a cherry tree:

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/fasc1nate/status/1630601827556245508?s=20

    Am surprised that the cold doesn’t kill the trees.

  865. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….
     
    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    Try Albinonii oboe concertos. If you like them, proceed to longer pieces. While you are at it, compare Albinoni oboe concertos to Vivaldi oboe concertos: Albinoni, Bach, and Vivaldi are at the same level of genius. Listen to various Vivaldi pieces: he wrote a lot more than Four Seasons.

    If you enjoy Baroque music, don’t forget less known, but excellent composers like Zelenka, Heinichen, Loillet de Gant, a bunch of Italians (Corelli, Geminiani, Locatelli, Torelli, Manfredini), and many others, as well as known but often underappreciated Handel (Germans like to claim him, but he wrote most of his music in England). Actually, listen to Mozart: he lived a lot later, but the spirit of many of his pieces is Baroque.

    All Baroque music has very good effect on my mood. At that time composers sincerely believed that the creation is good and the creator is benign. Later composers weren’t so sure, and you can feel it in their music (although some of them are great). Judging by their music, in the twentieth century composers were convinced that the creation sucks and the creator is malicious. Some of their pieces are still great, but none is optimistic, like Baroque.

    • Thanks: Yahya
  866. I wonder, what is happening to the US MSM? NBC had a journo travel via Crimean bridge to Crimea and talked to the people there. Naturally, they told him that they are Russians and will defend their place from Ukraine. But the unusual thing is that NBC put it on air.

    So, either some editors at NBC are going to be fired, or some in the American elites are coming to their senses. We’ll see in a month or two.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    I wonder, what is happening to the US MSM? NBC had a journo travel via Crimean bridge to Crimea and talked to the people there. Naturally, they told him that they are Russians and will defend their place from Ukraine. But the unusual thing is that NBC put it on air.

    So, either some editors at NBC are going to be fired, or some in the American elites are coming to their senses. We’ll see in a month or two.
     
    The establishment is evil & corrupt, but not stupid.

    Regardless of the dollar amount to Ukraine, the House can and will put auditors that they control to monitor the money flow. The Big Guy no longer Gets His 10%. Thus, they are moving on to the next thing.

    Those who live in America grasp that America has no power or prestige at stake. Ukraine has is an exploitable money pit, not a commitment. I am not sure why certain European commenters here fail to grasp the big picture.

    The Ukie Maximalists cannot win. The DNC does not want to own a loss or quagmire. Thus, the establishment needs to deprioritize or fully disconnect from the Ukraine fiasco as early as possible. They do not want to carry obvious liabilities into the 2024 campaigns. Giving this European war back to Europe is a straightforward play.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  867. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    TBH, I had put Hillary out of my mind, and was thinking of Kamala and certain others still in power, like Elizabeth Warren.

    Grew up heavily immersed in a culture about witch trials. Guessing it was probably the local state norm, due to Salem. And indeed, it was popular subject with a lot of local writers like Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. or Nathaniel Hawthorne (who was born in Salem).

    I recall being told about the idea of a "Devil's mark", while on a school field trip to a museum Salem. That was said to be like a mole or freckle, or other mark which was supposed to be evidence that the Devil had entered someone.

    Of course, it sounds a little silly. I have known people with moles and freckles that were quite good people. But still I wonder if the idea might not have some seed of truth to it, if only as an analogy or surreal suggestion. Perhaps, physiognomy or something like "voiceology" or "cackelology."

    I did once read a scifi story where aliens created a duplicate of a dead man, by analyzing a recording of his voice. Perhaps, something can be told by the sound of a laugh...

    Replies: @S

    Warren, Hillary, and Harris, could be the new ‘weird sisters’ of Shakespeare’s Macbeth, though it’s questionable how good of a job they would do. 🙂

    I recall being told about the idea of a “Devil’s mark”, while on a school field trip to a museum Salem. That was said to be like a mole or freckle, or other mark which was supposed to be evidence that the Devil had entered someone.

    Odd stuff. The Salem Witch Trials series with Kirstie Allie looked at some of that…

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    • Thanks: songbird
  868. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    There is a monastery in Bosnia dedicated to a saint who the bears and other wildlife loved and they keep a couple dozen pet bears on the premises. All the images of the monks with bears on the first page of google search were thumbnail (lame).

    I believe it's this guy but their website is not in English so it's clumsy to get all the details straight.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Serafim_and_a_bear.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov

    Feeding bears is not cheap and you want to make sure they have plenty to eat. : )

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

    Saint Séraphim was Russian and is considered the Saint Patron of the Russian lands. Interestingly, he prophesied the Revolution and a subsequent restauration of Russian monarchy. The Revolution happened quite similar to what he described, the monarchy restauration didn’t happen yet.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  869. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yahya

    There is a monastery in Bosnia dedicated to a saint who the bears and other wildlife loved and they keep a couple dozen pet bears on the premises. All the images of the monks with bears on the first page of google search were thumbnail (lame).

    I believe it's this guy but their website is not in English so it's clumsy to get all the details straight.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Serafim_and_a_bear.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphim_of_Sarov

    Feeding bears is not cheap and you want to make sure they have plenty to eat. : )

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yahya

    Thanks, interesting information. There’s something noble and alluring about those old Christian saints. Not sure if I’m willing or capable of imitating their ascetic way of life; but there’s something to learn from their renouncement of the material world. Asceticism is also lauded in Islam; at least from my readings of the Hadiths and Imam Ghazali; and I believe in Buddhism as well (though my knowledge of the tradition is limited). There’s definitely a kernel of wisdom in the ascetic way of life. i’ve always felt that the luxurious life was sort of soulless; but wasn’t aware of an alternative. again, I’m not ready to renounce all worldly goods; but i’ve incorporated some aspects to my life.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Asceticism is very important in Sufism. Especially in the Tariqa Khalwatyyia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalwati_order

    It is key in Orthodox monastic tradition, its earliest Saints being the Egyptian Desert fathers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

    Ans yes it is of outstanding importance in the Buddhadharma.

    My preferred sutra is the Khaggavisana Sutta (Rhinoceros Horn Sutra) which is probably among the most ancient Buddhist scriptures. It describes the way of the early Buddhist ascetic:

    https://www.hermitary.com/solitude/rhinoceros.html

    There are many similarities between the three ascetic traditions.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  870. S says:
    @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I think this is really what it’s all about.
     
    It's an extraordinary visit. I only hope that they don't take advantage of a bleeding Ukraine and, if they want to cooperate in agriculture, that this is fruitful and mutually beneficial. There is a lot of potential.

    But yeah, read between the lines and it is clear that people in the know don’t think that Ukraine will not be defeated.
     
    One important element is that Kamala Harris recently announced formally that Russia has "committed crimes against humanity" (this is even more serious than war crimes, it's a higher level). Yes, she might be annoying and all to many on this board, but it's pretty serious. For the victims it's important as well. I wish it were the UN to be the ones to announce something like this, not her. That the UN would have a backbone. But the UN, too, just came out with a document in support of Ukraine. So all those point in Ukraine's favor.

    That said, what I hear from their soldiers (many of them are on YouTube and report daily from the battlefield), that it is very very tough. The Ukrainian media channels and people such as Podolyak talk a lot about the victory, yes, they are frustrated, but they are convinced it's coming, however, I heard at least 2-3 officers in the last couple of days saying that the media are "hyping" it and that things are very tough. That yes, victory can happen, but only if everyone, the whole nation is consolidated. But the Ukrainians will not stop, there was a poll that said that even if there was a nuclear blast, 80 or 90% Ukrainians said they would continue fighting.


    The best Russia can hope for is a stalemate and even that grows less and less likely with time.
     
    There won't be a stalemate unless the Ukes lose all the means to fight, then they will fight with grandfathers' rifles (they won't need to, Ukraine was full of firearms even before 2022). They are building up for the offensive, they need to prepare not just this huge scale operation itself, but also prepare from the humanitarian point of view. Prepare the population in the occupied parts as well.

    I wonder if Putin is thinking that the Republicans are going to cut off aid to Ukraine?
     
    They always grasp at such straws. This may happen that the Republicans start supporting Russia over Ukraine, with time (the younger batch of Republicans are already pretty supportive of Russia although who knows how they will be after age 40 or so) but it will not be in the nearest future but it would be vital now.

    As long as the United States exists, Ukraine will continue to be supplied with weaponry and other assistance, although perhaps not as much as the Ukrainians would like.
     

    Ukraine needs to start building out its own MIC.

    Yes the West is dying.
     
    The West is dying very slowly, meaning, yes, there are these negative trends which are most likely fatal in the long term, but not in the near term. Besides there is still some health at the core. People on this website like to make fun about how the Western militaries are "fake and gay", fatsos or whatever. Well, guess what, yes, the US servicemen are on average heavier, but not all of them, but the European ones are lean, fit and well equipped. They may not be as badass as the best Ukrainian units (simply because they're not battle tested, if they had combat experience, many would do well besides many do from Afghanistan) and they may not be in sufficient numbers for a huge war, but that can be reorganized (but let's hope that that war doesn't happen anyway or that this one is it). So the West is nowhere near dead.

    China can never hope to compete with
     

    It would be really awful to have to compete with China. Some competition is inevitable, but a military technological, geopolitical competition would be a nightmare. It would be so much nicer to spend the century on something else, on something lighter, more pleasant.

    it remains fully united on foreign policy at the political level
     
    This is true, because they finally feel threatened. Not all but many. They are also finally allowed to feel a bit "militaristic", it's possible that many Western Europeans always desired it deeply, but weren't allowed to express it because of political correctness. Now they get to live it out vicariously through Ukrainians (of course, their sympathy is genuine, I don't mean this in a negative or perverted way). Let's hope it doesn't go too far. Peace is a huge value, the most important one really, besides freedom. Freedom, peace, health... in that order.

    hyperinflationary breakdown
     

    Do you think housing will go up or down in the US?

    but it is likely that the West will force Ukraine to accept substantial territorial losses once Russia finally comes to the table.
     
    The West can't force anything on Ukraine, the West can only cease supplying weapons and funding. However, the batch of military assistance that could make a difference is already on the way, even if a decision was made today to not deliver more assistance, this batch would still go through and have an effect on the battle field.

    The risk there is that if this happened, the West would be facing the reality that a large, aggressive country can get away with something like this kind of an invasion with everything that happened.

    Replies: @songbird, @S

    Yes the West is dying.

    The West is dying very slowly..

    Living things, like peoples, have natural life cycles where they live and die.

    But what is going on today in the West, and what is planned for the East (and elsewhere) tommorrow, with the uncontrolled mass immigration being put in place by diktat as a bio-weapon, is not natural.

    The West is instead being murdered.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @S


    The West is instead being murdered.
     
    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?

    Voting base:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7_0D7APy0

    Replies: @Yahya, @AnonfromTN

  871. Wonder how much of AI really ultimately comes from video games. GPUs vs. CPUs.

    Will there be a net “social benefit” in the future, exceeding the past “social cost” of video games?
    ____
    Will the Poles exceed the UK by 2034?

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    And, if so, when will they overtake Germany?

  872. @Yahya
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks, interesting information. There’s something noble and alluring about those old Christian saints. Not sure if I’m willing or capable of imitating their ascetic way of life; but there’s something to learn from their renouncement of the material world. Asceticism is also lauded in Islam; at least from my readings of the Hadiths and Imam Ghazali; and I believe in Buddhism as well (though my knowledge of the tradition is limited). There’s definitely a kernel of wisdom in the ascetic way of life. i’ve always felt that the luxurious life was sort of soulless; but wasn’t aware of an alternative. again, I’m not ready to renounce all worldly goods; but i’ve incorporated some aspects to my life.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Asceticism is very important in Sufism. Especially in the Tariqa Khalwatyyia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalwati_order

    It is key in Orthodox monastic tradition, its earliest Saints being the Egyptian Desert fathers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

    Ans yes it is of outstanding importance in the Buddhadharma.

    My preferred sutra is the Khaggavisana Sutta (Rhinoceros Horn Sutra) which is probably among the most ancient Buddhist scriptures. It describes the way of the early Buddhist ascetic:

    https://www.hermitary.com/solitude/rhinoceros.html

    There are many similarities between the three ascetic traditions.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Hi Ivashka,

    You offered to bet me on whether Belarus would join the war soon, because you thought they were about to.

    Any updates on your thoughts, now that they haven't done so and some time has passed?

    I did see that Lukashenko has ordered the creation of a large citizen militia to "learn from the lessons of Ukraine." But that seems to be learning from the Ukrainians on how to secure independence, not the other way around. Odd.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-209/#comment-5813399

  873. Could the English word “measure” be related to the German word “Messer” (knife?)

    Don’t think there is any official etymological connection, but I can’t shake the idea they could be connected. There is also the English word “mess” which can mean a portion of food (mess kit, mess hall), and which, in origin, might be interpreted to suggest the action of knife, in dividing it.

    Sadly, what made me think of it is repeated German headlines.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Sadly, what made me think of it is repeated German headlines.
     
    The worst part are always the crocodile tears by the politicians who are responsible for the situation.
    Some recent stories:
    https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/ludwigshafen/messerattacke-oggersheim-zweiter-prozesstag-100.html
    https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2023/messermord-motiv/

    Will change nothing though, the entire establishment would have to admit they've been wrong after all, so there will be many more such cases.

    Replies: @songbird

  874. Did Ze really say this?

    [MORE]

    And does he believe it? Or is it just meant to be internally-consumed rhetoric?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird

    It's impossible to hear the Ukrainian text because of the voiceover, but most likely he is answering a question of some sort, probably saying that if Ukraine doesn't get help now (if assistance is not delivered quickly in the needed amount), then a NATO country could get attacked. I don't think he is saying that "US sons and daughters" would have to be ever sent to Ukraine.

    , @AP
    @songbird

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @Wokechoke

    , @QCIC
    @songbird

    President Z is the star of the show, I mean the lead actor.

    But who is the showrunner? The lead writer?

    +++

    With a sense of fairness I ask the same questions regarding Biden and Trump.

    Inquiring minds would like to know.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  875. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    My grandfather was a communist. I am not. He is dead, I am not. Let's leave the dead rest in peace Mr Hack. That would be an appropriate sign of respect for the departed.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with mentioning the dearly departed in a good and honest way, as I have done with your grandfather, Ivashka. Besides, you were the first to bring up his memory by mentioning that he was a Ukrainian that enjoyed reading Shevchenko. Selective censorship doesn’t become you. 🙁

  876. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….
     
    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    There’s so much that each of these composers wrote, and I just love to listen to any of the many CD’s that I have within my library including all of these great composers. Professor Tennessee’s recommendation of Albinoni’s oboe concertos are a great place to start. I own all three of the Naxos output, and find these to be superlative quality productions. As for Telemann (that strangely enough Professor Tennessee didn’t even mention. 🙁 ), I’d give his “Paris Quartets” a spin – really beautiful flute and other woodwind type of music. Telemann has the distinct honor of being considered the most prolific writer of music ever (that says a lot!), and it’s all high quality music to boot! Happy listening!

  877. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Did you read this ?

    https://les.media/articles/762502-20-tezisov-pro-voynu-i-mir-for-landing

    Replies: @LatW

    Did you read this ?

    Now that Russia is losing (or their campaign stalled at least), I’ve been noticing a lot of these calls for peace, when the pendulum has swung in disadvantage to Russia, there are now calls to stop. Where were these calls on February 23, 2022, and even before that, when troops where amassing on the borders? When Ukrainians were subjected to the constant terror? When Kadyrov was demonstrating his bearded troops, all dressed in black, in order to intimidate not just Ukrainians, but also the rest of us. Look at this formidable force, we are coming to murder your son! Where were all these “peace lovers” then?

    [MORE]

    There is a lot to unpack in that article, there is a lot I object to but also a few points I agree with.

    Но и идея уничтожить Россию, «отменить» русскую культуру — не менее преступна и ошибочна.

    Under normal circumstances, there could maybe be some kind of a discussion about accommodating the Russian interests (with the expectation that Russia should reciprocate, for instance, allow Ukrainian and Finno Ugric schools on Russian territory as well), or at least allow them some space.

    But because of the invasion (and on top of it, the way that the invasion was carried out, with Bucha, etc), the presence of Russian actually becomes a security issue, a huge liability. The Russian culture is used as a weapon against locals. Such a risk cannot be allowed to be passed down to the coming generations. From my Russophilic side, I want some of it to be retained, but the rational side says that very clear boundaries should’ve been drawn long ago.

    Разумная цель (для любой стороны) — мир, а не борьба до полного уничтожения противника.

    Why, in many wars that’s exactly the end goal. No, the rational goal for the Ukrainian side is to recover what was stolen from them and free their population that is under temporary occupation right now and waiting for liberation at least in the areas that are indigenous to Ukraine, as long as they have the will and the means for it. Those are pure laws of Nature. The Russian side would do exactly the same thing if they had been invaded, if the war was raging on their territory and if they had the upper hand. And they would do it much more harshly and decisively. They would not allow the enemy to remain on their soil, for as long as they could.

    Но это не повод для ее оправдания путем нормализации

    The normalization of the war, even if involuntary, becomes inevitable, the natural response is to defend oneself, not lay down and be ravaged.

    Россия (в большей мере, чем Украина и ее союзники) ответственна за минимум десятки тысяч смертей на Украине и за бедственное положение миллионов беженцев.
    Но это не снимает ответственности с Украины и ее союзников за гибель людей в Донбассе в ходе войны 2014-2022 годов, как и в ходе текущего конфликта.

    Russia’s guilt is that those atrocities are happening on the Ukrainian soil. Ukrainians are not committing atrocities or aggression somewhere in Kursk or Belgorod. Regarding Donbas, the allies did not anticipate that the Donbas militia would be armed to the extent they were and that the conflict would grow into a war. Many EU allies would’ve also supported language rights for Donbas (or some kind of autonomous rights). They may hold some responsibility for not helping to diffuse the situation before it turned hostile, although it is hard to say what they could’ve done (most of the world doesn’t care enough about Eastern Slavs to diffuse their conflicts).

    I have already stated several times that some kind of a special forces operation, very early on, could’ve been a much better idea (тихо прийшов, тихо пішов), instead of showing up with damn tanks like in the Soviet days, then leaving because people didn’t want you there and then coming back with Grad missiles and hitting their homes. I will also admit that there is some responsibility in ignoring some of the atrocities (or the so called collateral damage, which was extremely severe). Maybe compensation should be paid to the victims from the Russian funds that are now frozen (in case of the liberation of these territories). Also, not everybody in Donbas is Russian, many Ukrainians had to flee from there.

    However, the allies can not be blamed for supporting Ukraine when Ukraine tried to defend its territorial integrity against a militia that was armed by an outside force (Russia) and during a time of direct Russian intervention (the so called “Northern Wind”).

    Навязывание коллективной вины любому народу — вранье и манипуляция.
    Но признание военных преступлений и ошибок необходимо.

    True, every crime committed has a name behind it and the name of the one who gave the order. The “collective” aspect here is that relatively large masses of Russians supported this, which once again, makes any association with Russians, a security liability.

    Нельзя не понимать тех украинских граждан, которые встали на защиту своей страны, своих родных и близких, их гнев.
    Но нельзя не понимать и жителей Донбасса, которые стали на защиту своих ценностей, своих родных и близких, и их гнев.

    Yes, the position of Donbassers is understandable, they did not want an alien culture pushed on them, but right now the war is way beyond Donbas – places in Central and even Western Ukraine have been under systematic attack. Places that are indigenously Ukrainian and where the Ukrainian political system existed.

    По результатам первого года войну можно назвать антироссийским предприятием, предательством интересов России. Все три объявленные цели российской спецоперации оказались проваленными

    This one is very problematic. He is basically implying that had the Russian military succeeded and Putin’s initial goals would have been achieved, everything would’ve been ok. As in, justified. It completely neglects the fact that this was a crime of aggression. And above all – that having such goals towards a neighbor, in and of itself, is deeply problematic.

    Это часть большой картины противостояния в мире, а данном случае «игры на разрыв» Украины между геополитическими противниками.

    This is very tragic and unfair to Ukraine. This just highlights the need for security guarantees for Ukraine. And the need for Ukraine to be strengthened enough so as not to become such a playground for outside powers.

    Западная военная помощь Украине — это не помощь Украине, а инструмент войны с Россией за счет принесения в жертву украинских граждан.

    This is not proper wording. The Western help to Ukraine is not an instrument of war against Russia, it is an instrument of deterrence against Russia. If Russian troops were not physically located on Ukrainian soil, especially in areas that are relatively far from the Russian border, there would be no physical elimination of them. Also, the Ukrainian citizens are not “sacrificed”, Ukrainian citizens have agency and they have made a rational choice to defend their homeland against an invasion.

    Западные страны не только на Украине, но и в других странах, пограничных России, систематически поддерживают и националистические (или исламистские) антироссийские идеологии, что нельзя не понимать как агрессию.

    The problem here is that these states do have their own national cultures that they want to protect. Russia too is nationalistic. So Russia can be nationalistic / imperialistic but these neighbors cannot be nationalistic in a protective way? Nobody was ever going to attack RF militarily on their territory. RF had already protected themselves from any evil Western influence by locking up or exiling everyone who could’ve served as a Western 5th column.

    Систематический отказ от признания военных ошибок и нарушений международного гуманитарного права неизбежно приведет к тому, что власть в России окажется в руках не альтруистов и героев войны, а тех, кто готовил себе карьеру доносами и интригами в тылу, враньем и очковтирательством.

    This is a big risk, because the war of aggression on foreign soil can turn around and become a mafia war or a war of competing groups within Russia itself. Those who were raping and stealing and murdering in Ukraine can return home and they will be emboldened by their adventures and will have a lower moral threshold.

    Anyway, I don’t want to inundate you with this (wish there were nicer things to talk about), but there is a lot to be said about these points. As I said, some of the points I can agree with. But these points were sorely needed in January 2022, now is a bit late.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Denis can explain much better than I. His position is even much more strict and uncompromising than mine could ever be:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l7JEADIp1U&t=513s

  878. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP


    Kind of hard to do without a real presence in the country.
     
    With today's communications it's quite doable. You just need local management.

    That’s not a colonial situation, though. Ukraine isn’t a Tatar colony because the richest man in Ukraine is one.
     
    Doesn't change much from an economic and social pov. Especially when the said Tatar, actually a Noviop, would also have dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the "colonial metropole" offshores.

    Have you heard of the "cryptocolony" concept ?

    https://traditio.wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

    Keep in mind that it is only a concept - a placeholder for a type of socio-economic interaction between two populations. But it makes you think out of the box about economic and geopolitical hierarchies. In the end it is always a question of profits and losses. If another ethnic group profits more, while a local ethnic group loses more, and the locals cannot change the situation to reorient it in their favor, then the locals are not truly independent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Massacre

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Russian_constitutional_crisis


    Probably negligible.
     
    This is not what I have read a couple of decades ago. You are usually good at finding relevant and reliable data, would you please look into it ? Keep in mind that I do not write about Jewish agricultural lands that were worked by the Jews themselves, I am writing about Jewish land ownership with Ruthenian peasantry working as sharecroppers or agricultural workers in large estates (for example sugar beets production farms).

    I trust your data to be more reliable than the one I read back then in Russian antisemitic literature. They probably exaggerated.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    Before the war, Ukraine’s informatics industry was moving to partly outsourcing colony of Tel Aviv/Haifa/Herzliya.

    There is nothing very exciting though, it’s just related to the lower cost of the labor. It’s a result of economics forces.

    But my impression the younger startups entrepreneurs in Kiev is disproportionate Jewish roots culture.

    If you were in social media of the startup group in Kiev, it was half of the young Kiev entrepreneurs posting about their Jewish roots.

    They also often have a lot of the LGBT interest, feminism. Basically, stereotype of generation Z nerds.

    It’s kind of funny stereotype that would be popular in the West https://tinyurl.com/bdfty37r that would confuse German_reader, A123 as they can harmonize all the fashionable things like Jewish roots, hi-tech industry, liberal culture to the Ukrainian nationalism.

    Numerically though, most of the informatics workers in Ukraine will not have Jewish roots.

    Secular Jewish schools in Ukraine does focus on the IT outsourcing industry. But this can be more showing wider priorities of the middle class in Ukraine.
    http://www.ortlyceum.kiev.ua/page/rozklad_zanyat/schedule/11_a

    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802

    dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole

    Postsoviet billionaires are in feudal-aristocratic social position. More closed and the smaller the number of the elite, the less competition and larger their part of cake.

    They don’t want to accept people from outside their clique, they don’t want to minimize their size, like godfathers of MS-13 or the British aristocracy.

    But you know life in the region, our elite is small and closed, our slave workers are large and open. Young slave workers, selling Chinese products to the captive market for $1,80 per hour, is a space of tolerance and antiracism. Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802
     
    Oops the incorrect link. It is this link https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    Outsourcing colony exits Ukraine, moves to Poland

    The plan: Evacuation to Poland

    In Ukraine it is understood that these 17,000 employees of Israeli companies are in danger, although a distinction is made between cities like Kharkhov, Mariupol and Dnipro, which would likely be in the path of any potential Russian invasion, and cities closer to the Polish and Belarus borders like Kiev, Odessa, and Lvov, which are considered safer..
     
    https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    Replies: @AP

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.
     
    Geez, the only European nationality mentioned in the video is Moldovan. Well, I guess Udmurt could be somewhat related to Finns. Good lord. No mention of Russian or Ukrainian. Is that what they do on purpose now? Pff, Denis was right. The ethno Russians are the lowest on the totem pole.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  879. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Did you read this ?
     
    Now that Russia is losing (or their campaign stalled at least), I've been noticing a lot of these calls for peace, when the pendulum has swung in disadvantage to Russia, there are now calls to stop. Where were these calls on February 23, 2022, and even before that, when troops where amassing on the borders? When Ukrainians were subjected to the constant terror? When Kadyrov was demonstrating his bearded troops, all dressed in black, in order to intimidate not just Ukrainians, but also the rest of us. Look at this formidable force, we are coming to murder your son! Where were all these "peace lovers" then?

    There is a lot to unpack in that article, there is a lot I object to but also a few points I agree with.


    Но и идея уничтожить Россию, «отменить» русскую культуру — не менее преступна и ошибочна.
     
    Under normal circumstances, there could maybe be some kind of a discussion about accommodating the Russian interests (with the expectation that Russia should reciprocate, for instance, allow Ukrainian and Finno Ugric schools on Russian territory as well), or at least allow them some space.

    But because of the invasion (and on top of it, the way that the invasion was carried out, with Bucha, etc), the presence of Russian actually becomes a security issue, a huge liability. The Russian culture is used as a weapon against locals. Such a risk cannot be allowed to be passed down to the coming generations. From my Russophilic side, I want some of it to be retained, but the rational side says that very clear boundaries should've been drawn long ago.

    Разумная цель (для любой стороны) — мир, а не борьба до полного уничтожения противника.
     
    Why, in many wars that's exactly the end goal. No, the rational goal for the Ukrainian side is to recover what was stolen from them and free their population that is under temporary occupation right now and waiting for liberation at least in the areas that are indigenous to Ukraine, as long as they have the will and the means for it. Those are pure laws of Nature. The Russian side would do exactly the same thing if they had been invaded, if the war was raging on their territory and if they had the upper hand. And they would do it much more harshly and decisively. They would not allow the enemy to remain on their soil, for as long as they could.

    Но это не повод для ее оправдания путем нормализации
     
    The normalization of the war, even if involuntary, becomes inevitable, the natural response is to defend oneself, not lay down and be ravaged.

    Россия (в большей мере, чем Украина и ее союзники) ответственна за минимум десятки тысяч смертей на Украине и за бедственное положение миллионов беженцев.
    Но это не снимает ответственности с Украины и ее союзников за гибель людей в Донбассе в ходе войны 2014-2022 годов, как и в ходе текущего конфликта.
     
    Russia's guilt is that those atrocities are happening on the Ukrainian soil. Ukrainians are not committing atrocities or aggression somewhere in Kursk or Belgorod. Regarding Donbas, the allies did not anticipate that the Donbas militia would be armed to the extent they were and that the conflict would grow into a war. Many EU allies would've also supported language rights for Donbas (or some kind of autonomous rights). They may hold some responsibility for not helping to diffuse the situation before it turned hostile, although it is hard to say what they could've done (most of the world doesn't care enough about Eastern Slavs to diffuse their conflicts).

    I have already stated several times that some kind of a special forces operation, very early on, could've been a much better idea (тихо прийшов, тихо пішов), instead of showing up with damn tanks like in the Soviet days, then leaving because people didn't want you there and then coming back with Grad missiles and hitting their homes. I will also admit that there is some responsibility in ignoring some of the atrocities (or the so called collateral damage, which was extremely severe). Maybe compensation should be paid to the victims from the Russian funds that are now frozen (in case of the liberation of these territories). Also, not everybody in Donbas is Russian, many Ukrainians had to flee from there.

    However, the allies can not be blamed for supporting Ukraine when Ukraine tried to defend its territorial integrity against a militia that was armed by an outside force (Russia) and during a time of direct Russian intervention (the so called "Northern Wind").

    Навязывание коллективной вины любому народу — вранье и манипуляция.
    Но признание военных преступлений и ошибок необходимо.
     
    True, every crime committed has a name behind it and the name of the one who gave the order. The "collective" aspect here is that relatively large masses of Russians supported this, which once again, makes any association with Russians, a security liability.

    Нельзя не понимать тех украинских граждан, которые встали на защиту своей страны, своих родных и близких, их гнев.
    Но нельзя не понимать и жителей Донбасса, которые стали на защиту своих ценностей, своих родных и близких, и их гнев.
     
    Yes, the position of Donbassers is understandable, they did not want an alien culture pushed on them, but right now the war is way beyond Donbas - places in Central and even Western Ukraine have been under systematic attack. Places that are indigenously Ukrainian and where the Ukrainian political system existed.

    По результатам первого года войну можно назвать антироссийским предприятием, предательством интересов России. Все три объявленные цели российской спецоперации оказались проваленными
     
    This one is very problematic. He is basically implying that had the Russian military succeeded and Putin's initial goals would have been achieved, everything would've been ok. As in, justified. It completely neglects the fact that this was a crime of aggression. And above all - that having such goals towards a neighbor, in and of itself, is deeply problematic.

    Это часть большой картины противостояния в мире, а данном случае «игры на разрыв» Украины между геополитическими противниками.
     
    This is very tragic and unfair to Ukraine. This just highlights the need for security guarantees for Ukraine. And the need for Ukraine to be strengthened enough so as not to become such a playground for outside powers.

    Западная военная помощь Украине — это не помощь Украине, а инструмент войны с Россией за счет принесения в жертву украинских граждан.
     
    This is not proper wording. The Western help to Ukraine is not an instrument of war against Russia, it is an instrument of deterrence against Russia. If Russian troops were not physically located on Ukrainian soil, especially in areas that are relatively far from the Russian border, there would be no physical elimination of them. Also, the Ukrainian citizens are not "sacrificed", Ukrainian citizens have agency and they have made a rational choice to defend their homeland against an invasion.

    Западные страны не только на Украине, но и в других странах, пограничных России, систематически поддерживают и националистические (или исламистские) антироссийские идеологии, что нельзя не понимать как агрессию.
     
    The problem here is that these states do have their own national cultures that they want to protect. Russia too is nationalistic. So Russia can be nationalistic / imperialistic but these neighbors cannot be nationalistic in a protective way? Nobody was ever going to attack RF militarily on their territory. RF had already protected themselves from any evil Western influence by locking up or exiling everyone who could've served as a Western 5th column.


    Систематический отказ от признания военных ошибок и нарушений международного гуманитарного права неизбежно приведет к тому, что власть в России окажется в руках не альтруистов и героев войны, а тех, кто готовил себе карьеру доносами и интригами в тылу, враньем и очковтирательством.
     
    This is a big risk, because the war of aggression on foreign soil can turn around and become a mafia war or a war of competing groups within Russia itself. Those who were raping and stealing and murdering in Ukraine can return home and they will be emboldened by their adventures and will have a lower moral threshold.

    Anyway, I don't want to inundate you with this (wish there were nicer things to talk about), but there is a lot to be said about these points. As I said, some of the points I can agree with. But these points were sorely needed in January 2022, now is a bit late.

    Replies: @LatW

    Denis can explain much better than I. His position is even much more strict and uncompromising than mine could ever be:

  880. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Why making a colony one's homeland ?

    Intelligent people would make moneys in Ukraine and live a happy life in Israel or better still in Switzerland.

    What was the % of Jewish owned agricultural in Galicia compared to Malorossia before the WW1 ?

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    I’m starting to detect a sloppy habit of yours, Ivashka. You’re using old nomenclature for Ukraine and Ukrainians that wasn’t in use during the time periods that you’re alluding to. By the beginning of the 20th century it is more proper to refer to the autochthonic inhabitants of Ukraine as “Ukrainians” not as “Ruthenians” nor the country as “Malorussia”, but Ukraine. Somebody of your high intelligence should be sensitive to these matters?…just saying. 🙂

  881. @songbird
    Did Ze really say this?
    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1630763587471032322?s=20

    And does he believe it? Or is it just meant to be internally-consumed rhetoric?

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @QCIC

    It’s impossible to hear the Ukrainian text because of the voiceover, but most likely he is answering a question of some sort, probably saying that if Ukraine doesn’t get help now (if assistance is not delivered quickly in the needed amount), then a NATO country could get attacked. I don’t think he is saying that “US sons and daughters” would have to be ever sent to Ukraine.

    • Thanks: songbird
  882. @QCIC
    @AP

    AP, thank you for this detailed reply.

    The reason for asking this question of you and Anon is not just to learn more about your positions, but to sample the integrated position of those Ukrainians in your personal networks which may be quite different than your own outlook.

    I was also a bit surprised by Anon's comment on violent antisemitism amongst various Ukrainian groups, including Russians. Assuming it wasn't subtle humor, I took it to mean the war and outside meddling since 2014 have increased the latent animosity to a boiling point. You alluded to some of this animosity in your description. I might view those things as simple humor, but modern woke Jewish people would likely regard the Ukrainian behavior you described as a strong antisemitic pattern.

    A hypothetical crazy plan to take over the area would be a long-term effort with various phases.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    In the normal stereotype of the USSR, the racism and antisemitism is high in West and low in East.

    It also has specific waves in time, as it was controlled from top-down and promoted by security services. So, there was wave of antisemitism in 1949-1954 promoted by Stalin. And there was wave of antisemitism in the end of 1970s to 1990s which was promoted or managed by the KGB. In 1990s it was peaking and mainstream. But after 2000 in Russia, antisemitism was banned by the top-down, while in Ukraine it wasn’t.

    Ukraine had historically antisemitism and the general racism. It was an area of tribal violence in the 20th century between multiple nationalities. But I think Moscow had quite a lot of the racism as well in the late 20th century.

    But as you go more East in the USSR, the multinational culture and tolerance was more of the natural culture. We still have this stereotype today (I don’t believe so accurate) people are more independent thinking and tolerant, more critical about authorities.

    I remember when I was a young child, people of Ukrainian roots, were often proud of having Ukrainian roots. And more recently, just 10 years ago, it would be like this. But I guess today, people will avoid talk about their Ukrainian roots.

    Secret Ukrainian neonazis are preparing attacks and sabotage and generally it’s not fashionable.
    https://susanin.news/russia/incidents/20230201-299463/

  883. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Before the war, Ukraine's informatics industry was moving to partly outsourcing colony of Tel Aviv/Haifa/Herzliya.

    There is nothing very exciting though, it's just related to the lower cost of the labor. It's a result of economics forces.

    But my impression the younger startups entrepreneurs in Kiev is disproportionate Jewish roots culture.

    If you were in social media of the startup group in Kiev, it was half of the young Kiev entrepreneurs posting about their Jewish roots.

    They also often have a lot of the LGBT interest, feminism. Basically, stereotype of generation Z nerds.

    It's kind of funny stereotype that would be popular in the West https://tinyurl.com/bdfty37r that would confuse German_reader, A123 as they can harmonize all the fashionable things like Jewish roots, hi-tech industry, liberal culture to the Ukrainian nationalism.


    -

    Numerically though, most of the informatics workers in Ukraine will not have Jewish roots.

    Secular Jewish schools in Ukraine does focus on the IT outsourcing industry. But this can be more showing wider priorities of the middle class in Ukraine.
    http://www.ortlyceum.kiev.ua/page/rozklad_zanyat/schedule/11_a

    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802


    dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole
     
    Postsoviet billionaires are in feudal-aristocratic social position. More closed and the smaller the number of the elite, the less competition and larger their part of cake.

    They don't want to accept people from outside their clique, they don't want to minimize their size, like godfathers of MS-13 or the British aristocracy.

    But you know life in the region, our elite is small and closed, our slave workers are large and open. Young slave workers, selling Chinese products to the captive market for $1,80 per hour, is a space of tolerance and antiracism. Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gH8IDKwO4

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802

    Oops the incorrect link. It is this link https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    Outsourcing colony exits Ukraine, moves to Poland

    The plan: Evacuation to Poland

    In Ukraine it is understood that these 17,000 employees of Israeli companies are in danger, although a distinction is made between cities like Kharkhov, Mariupol and Dnipro, which would likely be in the path of any potential Russian invasion, and cities closer to the Polish and Belarus borders like Kiev, Odessa, and Lvov, which are considered safer..

    https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry

    Companies have moved from Kharkiv to Lviv. Lviv isn’t losing tech workers overall.

  884. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Before the war, Ukraine's informatics industry was moving to partly outsourcing colony of Tel Aviv/Haifa/Herzliya.

    There is nothing very exciting though, it's just related to the lower cost of the labor. It's a result of economics forces.

    But my impression the younger startups entrepreneurs in Kiev is disproportionate Jewish roots culture.

    If you were in social media of the startup group in Kiev, it was half of the young Kiev entrepreneurs posting about their Jewish roots.

    They also often have a lot of the LGBT interest, feminism. Basically, stereotype of generation Z nerds.

    It's kind of funny stereotype that would be popular in the West https://tinyurl.com/bdfty37r that would confuse German_reader, A123 as they can harmonize all the fashionable things like Jewish roots, hi-tech industry, liberal culture to the Ukrainian nationalism.


    -

    Numerically though, most of the informatics workers in Ukraine will not have Jewish roots.

    Secular Jewish schools in Ukraine does focus on the IT outsourcing industry. But this can be more showing wider priorities of the middle class in Ukraine.
    http://www.ortlyceum.kiev.ua/page/rozklad_zanyat/schedule/11_a

    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802


    dual citizenship and siphon all the profits of his businesses to the “colonial metropole
     
    Postsoviet billionaires are in feudal-aristocratic social position. More closed and the smaller the number of the elite, the less competition and larger their part of cake.

    They don't want to accept people from outside their clique, they don't want to minimize their size, like godfathers of MS-13 or the British aristocracy.

    But you know life in the region, our elite is small and closed, our slave workers are large and open. Young slave workers, selling Chinese products to the captive market for $1,80 per hour, is a space of tolerance and antiracism. Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8gH8IDKwO4

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

    Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.

    Geez, the only European nationality mentioned in the video is Moldovan. Well, I guess Udmurt could be somewhat related to Finns. Good lord. No mention of Russian or Ukrainian. Is that what they do on purpose now? Pff, Denis was right. The ethno Russians are the lowest on the totem pole.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    It's a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.

    This is a businessman Simanovsky who has significant proportion of the youth of a city of Ekaterinburg in Russia, working like an army in his warehouse to distribute Chinese products.

    If he sends his private army to military training, he probably has enough to defeat Group Wagner in the feudal battle, although its mostly women. Well, he has enough for a couple Roman legions probably just in his local warehouse.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdaRg6jWgt8

    Replies: @LatW

  885. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    The Leopard issue imo is actually a good illustration that PiS Poland is trying to use the Ukraine crisis for anti-German agitation to the max...even better was that story (which I linked to some time ago) how they refused to let Germany set up repair facilities in Poland for the Panzerhaubitzen sent to Ukraine, but instead insisted on intellectual property transfer (the repair facilities were then set up in Slovakia). Just totally dishonest behaviour...when Germany actually caves to pressure from Poland and friends and sends genuinely useful weapons systems to aid Ukraine, PiS Poland then prioritizes its own selfish interests.
    I think I was once about as sympathetic to Polish concerns as could be expected of any German right-winger but the bs pulled by PiS Poland over the last year (also their actions regarding language rights for the German-Silesian remnant, and obviously their reparations campaign) has convinced me that "dialogue" at least with that segment of Polish society is utterly pointless. Now obviously I and people like me have zero influence in Germany, but I can't imagine those antics by PiS Poland will be considered favourably even by more mainstream people who notice them.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Another Polish Perspective, @Dmitry

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    They then ask Germany to replace Poland’s army with the most modern equipment, last year they were asking for Leopard 2A7, to fill their garage with elite new equipment.

    Then Poland is receiving money from the Western European taxpayers, for this junk equipment they give to Ukraine. This is the European Peace Facility. So, Poland is receiving money for the junk equipment they give to Ukraine.

    So, German taxpayers are funding Poland double time, while Poland upgrades their army and Ukrainian soldiers die in the T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    But the countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Denmark are giving very modern equipment to Ukraine nowadays. France/Denmark are giving Caesar artillery. America is going to transfer Bradley vehicles to Ukraine in the next months.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.
     
    Apparently, at least some of the T72s were upgraded / modernized by the Poles and in pretty decent condition, not sure if all or most, but at least some of them.
    , @Greasy William
    @Dmitry


    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.
     
    And there never will be. China is all talk.
    , @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.
     
    Stuff like T-72s has probably been pretty useful to Ukraine, they know those systems, have spare parts etc. And some of the Western systems now pledged to Ukraine are also of questionable worth (iirc several dozen Leopards I are to be delivered...which could maybe used in some very limited role, but would be absolute death traps in tank-to-tank combat).
    But yeah, hard not to feel that PiS Poland is trying to extract political and material profit from the situation, which is irritating.
    I probably should stop though, I don't want to come across like some rabid Polonophobe, the topic isn't very edifying.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year
     
    The amount of such weapons systems Ukraine can receive from European countries is rather limited though, existing stocks are low. It will be definitely much below the (imo unrealistic) expectations the Ukrainian military has voiced.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  886. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    They then ask Germany to replace Poland's army with the most modern equipment, last year they were asking for Leopard 2A7, to fill their garage with elite new equipment.

    Then Poland is receiving money from the Western European taxpayers, for this junk equipment they give to Ukraine. This is the European Peace Facility. So, Poland is receiving money for the junk equipment they give to Ukraine.

    So, German taxpayers are funding Poland double time, while Poland upgrades their army and Ukrainian soldiers die in the T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    But the countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Denmark are giving very modern equipment to Ukraine nowadays. France/Denmark are giving Caesar artillery. America is going to transfer Bradley vehicles to Ukraine in the next months.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @German_reader

    T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    Apparently, at least some of the T72s were upgraded / modernized by the Poles and in pretty decent condition, not sure if all or most, but at least some of them.

  887. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Cheap labor of all nationalities are accepted.
     
    Geez, the only European nationality mentioned in the video is Moldovan. Well, I guess Udmurt could be somewhat related to Finns. Good lord. No mention of Russian or Ukrainian. Is that what they do on purpose now? Pff, Denis was right. The ethno Russians are the lowest on the totem pole.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It’s a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.

    This is a businessman Simanovsky who has significant proportion of the youth of a city of Ekaterinburg in Russia, working like an army in his warehouse to distribute Chinese products.

    If he sends his private army to military training, he probably has enough to defeat Group Wagner in the feudal battle, although its mostly women. Well, he has enough for a couple Roman legions probably just in his local warehouse.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It’s a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.
     
    That's a really cool warehouse, it's huge and I like the colors (but it should have Russian products, not just Chinese). Well, aren't something like 80-90% of the people in that crowd ethnic Russian? But they are not mentioned among the rest of the nationalities, I guess it's because they are the "default" nationality. In the woke culture, too, the default nationality is also often underlooked. It is understandable that they want to create an inclusive environment, you have to respect your workers and treat them well. But they are not "russkie" as they say in the video above, they are "rossiyane". Anyway, it is very cute, I shouldn't pick on them. :)

    Replies: @Dmitry

  888. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    It's a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.

    This is a businessman Simanovsky who has significant proportion of the youth of a city of Ekaterinburg in Russia, working like an army in his warehouse to distribute Chinese products.

    If he sends his private army to military training, he probably has enough to defeat Group Wagner in the feudal battle, although its mostly women. Well, he has enough for a couple Roman legions probably just in his local warehouse.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdaRg6jWgt8

    Replies: @LatW

    It’s a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.

    That’s a really cool warehouse, it’s huge and I like the colors (but it should have Russian products, not just Chinese). Well, aren’t something like 80-90% of the people in that crowd ethnic Russian? But they are not mentioned among the rest of the nationalities, I guess it’s because they are the “default” nationality. In the woke culture, too, the default nationality is also often underlooked. It is understandable that they want to create an inclusive environment, you have to respect your workers and treat them well. But they are not “russkie” as they say in the video above, they are “rossiyane”. Anyway, it is very cute, I shouldn’t pick on them. 🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    There is a kind of stereotype view, in this forum you said and Bashibuzuk/Anon4, where Russians in national sense are in the lowest position, because they are not celebrated in the government's multinational propaganda.

    Obviously, this is not true, as proportionally for their national composition far more e.g. Tuvans, will be in the bottom, than Russians. And wealth of majority nonrussian regions like Yakutsk are asset-stripped for majority Russian cities like Moscow.

    But position of people, in middle and working class in Russia, is depending mainly on location. If you in Moscow, your region receiving 100s of shiny new metro stations. If you are in even average large city like Chelyabinsk, it is still more than 30 years to construct the first metro station.

    The amount of public investment you will benefit from depends on your region and that correlates only in indirect way with nationality.


    not mentioned among the rest of the nationalities, I guess it’s because they are the “default” nationality.. understandable that they want to create an inclusive environment, you have to respect your workers and treat them well. But they are not “russkie” as they say in the
     
    It's more than just in language or propaganda. The language in a way is just controlled by choices of government. There is more importantly, how the imperial system is working for centuries.

    Russian is like default nationality, in the sense when you subtract all folkloric or national traditions, the local languages, a person is then Russian.

    So, if your grandparents were Mordvins, but your family do not continue of the specific traditions and language of the Mordvin people, then you will be Russian. If you imagine a glass of water with ice cubes. Russian is like water and the nationalities are like melting ice cubes.

    Even people with the most strong national traditions or historically different religion nationalities like Jews and Tatars, were in the 20th century rapidly dissolving into Russian nationality by intermarriage, even when the USSR having a nationality system. In the Russian Federation, the nationality system is also removed fully.

    Pushkin's biography is a popular mythology partly because it is quite a symbolic sample, of how Russian was being created by the deracination process.

    In this forum, people write a lot of anti-gypsy comments. But in my school, there were a few people with grandparents with gypsy roots, that you could never know before they boast about it. This is why certain people in this forum, could lose friends in Russia, because they wouldn't know peoples' ancestry until they talk about it.

    In this forum, AnonfromTN is even from West Ukraine, with Ukrainian language education, with Ukrainian grandparents. But he views chooses Russian as the universal identity, instead of Ukrainian as the folklorical identity.

    This also creates sentimental response behavior where many Russians, with a grandparents from a nonrussian nationality, will romanticize themselves in terms of their nonrussian roots.*

    When I was young, people were quite romantic about having Ukrainian roots, although more especially anything to have cossack roots was an item for boasting.

    Nowadays, few will boast, as they want to create anxiety about Ukrainian internal enemies (https://susanin.news/russia/incidents/20230201-299463).

    -

    * Romanticism about special roots, because many people want to feel like unusual coins, instead of common coins. Common Pokemons don't have value, but rare Pokemons have value. This is more inevitable when the population has crazy "ramps" and mass production in the 19th/20th century and some nationality becomes hundreds of millions. Nationalities like Han Chinese with over a billion .

    But it is the same time the real differences of nationalities are dissolving and people like Tatars become demographically dissolved.
  889. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    They then ask Germany to replace Poland's army with the most modern equipment, last year they were asking for Leopard 2A7, to fill their garage with elite new equipment.

    Then Poland is receiving money from the Western European taxpayers, for this junk equipment they give to Ukraine. This is the European Peace Facility. So, Poland is receiving money for the junk equipment they give to Ukraine.

    So, German taxpayers are funding Poland double time, while Poland upgrades their army and Ukrainian soldiers die in the T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    But the countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Denmark are giving very modern equipment to Ukraine nowadays. France/Denmark are giving Caesar artillery. America is going to transfer Bradley vehicles to Ukraine in the next months.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @German_reader

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    And there never will be. China is all talk.

  890. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    They then ask Germany to replace Poland's army with the most modern equipment, last year they were asking for Leopard 2A7, to fill their garage with elite new equipment.

    Then Poland is receiving money from the Western European taxpayers, for this junk equipment they give to Ukraine. This is the European Peace Facility. So, Poland is receiving money for the junk equipment they give to Ukraine.

    So, German taxpayers are funding Poland double time, while Poland upgrades their army and Ukrainian soldiers die in the T-72s and BMP-1s which should not be in a modern battlezone.

    But the countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Denmark are giving very modern equipment to Ukraine nowadays. France/Denmark are giving Caesar artillery. America is going to transfer Bradley vehicles to Ukraine in the next months.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year, while there are still zero Chinese vehicles going in the Russian army.

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William, @German_reader

    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.

    Stuff like T-72s has probably been pretty useful to Ukraine, they know those systems, have spare parts etc. And some of the Western systems now pledged to Ukraine are also of questionable worth (iirc several dozen Leopards I are to be delivered…which could maybe used in some very limited role, but would be absolute death traps in tank-to-tank combat).
    But yeah, hard not to feel that PiS Poland is trying to extract political and material profit from the situation, which is irritating.
    I probably should stop though, I don’t want to come across like some rabid Polonophobe, the topic isn’t very edifying.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year

    The amount of such weapons systems Ukraine can receive from European countries is rather limited though, existing stocks are low. It will be definitely much below the (imo unrealistic) expectations the Ukrainian military has voiced.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    dozen Leopards I are to be delivered…which could maybe used in some very limited role, but would be absolute death
     
    That is true, my comment was a bit exaggerated. Lack of adding the moderation is, often when you don't have time to edit a comment.

    Media is commonly saying Poland is giving billions of dollars of military equipment to Ukraine, when it is old Soviet export equipment, which mainly has only a money value in terms of metal.

    Governments are not allowed to sell the equipment in the civilian market, while storage costs are also high. The equipment will be dangerous for the country which uses it in a modern war.

    When Poland gives it to Ukraine, they are receiving funding from the Europrean peace facility, for equipment which has mainly no money value.

    The majority of the funding for the European peace facility is to Poland. So, it is politicians in Poland receiving money from the EU for equipment they give to Ukraine, that would normally have no money value. https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/eu-arms-fund-faces-reimbursement-issues-amid-increased-ukrainian-needs/


    , I don’t want to come across like some rabid Polonophobe, the topic
     
    Most Polish people are embarrassed about their government and politicians. They are a kind of populist hysteria for a political base of older voters in East Poland.

    such weapons systems Ukraine can receive from European countries is rather limited though, existing stocks are low.
     
    It's likely the war will continue in 2024, even 2025. In 2024, the countries like France, England or Germany can produce a lot more of the modern equipment.

    That's why this conflict of Putin with leaders of powerful countries like Macron can be suicide. It's possible for France to give to Ukraine equipment which is more advanced than Russia could have, even from China.


    Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on
     
    They just are not giving domestic Abrams tanks to Ukraine, because the domestic version have secret uranium armor.

    So, America would only give export models of Abrams to Ukraine. This is what they will be giving to Ukraine 2024. They are producing new export models of Abrams for Ukraine.

    There is a reason why Ukraine could have motivation to fight slowly this year and wait for 2024, when they will have more parts of a modern army.


    medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don’t even work reliably.

     

    Hopefully you recover safely from the virus.

    There is even the historically world's best manufacturing country, Germany, not manufacturing for their citizens, this important medical test equipment.

    A lot of people, say "US loses manufacturing because Clinton", "Russia loses manufacturing because of the oligarchs".

    It's much more universal because of economics and labor costs. Even China is now going to middle income trap and will lose increasingly the manufacturing industry if their incomes increase.

  891. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    What are you going to do if Ukraine’s upcoming offensives fail to gain much ground and the happy ending you wish for (total Ukrainian victory without triggering a wider conflict/nuclear war) doesn’t materialize?
     
    It is possible that the big offensive that is apparently being planned will not be enough to reach the goal (set by the Ukrainian government, borders of 1991). But it is nevertheless important to go ahead with it, to push the opponent back.

    tbf at this point it’s hard to see any “good” ending to this
     
    "Good" is not the right word to use here. Either way, it is a huge tragedy that will take years to soothe. The one positive result is that the Ukrainian state has been preserved.

    since no Ukrainian government could probably recognize the Russian annexations since last February, there’s not really much to negotiate about, except maybe a ceasefire.
     
    Not only the Ukrainian government will recognize those annexations, but also many other countries won't (probably most countries of the world). Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now - Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.

    But is there a point at which you think this war might have to be ended nevertheless to prevent greater damage?
     
    It's really not about me personally. But about the Ukrainian General Staff. But anything going over 150K for Ukrainian dead would make me very uncomfortable - not that those casualties that have happened so far are in any way acceptable either! We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don't like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.

    Or would you be fine with it going on for another 2-3 years?
     
    It most likely cannot physically go on at this intensity for 2-3 years. I highly doubt it is possible. It could go on for years at a much lower rate of fire. And, no, I would not be "fine with it", it would still be a horrific tragedy and a huge cost for Ukraine (same as everything that transpired after 2014, there were casualties from skirmishes back then all the time even though it was low intensity). However, Ukraine could be armed well and if these skirmishes were to continue, then at least the casualty rate would be kept to a minimum.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @German_reader

    Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now – Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.

    I didn’t write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).
    Obviously Ukraine is fully in its rights to do so. The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc., because that’s another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.
    But sure, if Ukraine can manage such attacks on its own, one can hardly object, an attacker has to reckon with such retaliation. Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.
    I’m not convinced though it’s a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.

    We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don’t like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.

    I don’t want to fight either. I’ve probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.
    The way I see it, there are no good options now. There may have been a short time window to stop the war and bring about a mutually acceptable negotiated settlement in spring 2022, but that opportunity is clearly past now…I understand that no Ukrainian government could accept the annexations since then (which also include Russian claims on territory Russia doesn’t control after all). So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.
    I think total Ukrainian victory is unlikely with the kind of support they’re realistically going to receive (and there are other factors, most notably China), and tbh I don’t think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea (or the parts of Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022, where most of the remaining residents probably are genuinely anti-Ukraine), the risks of this escalating to a nuclear crisis are too high.
    Anyway, one has to wait what the summer brings, probably no point to idle speculation.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    I didn’t write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).
     
    No, but you said that Ukraine should try to negotiate even with Russian missiles falling over their infrastructure. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

    The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc.
     
    I'm not even sure if the drone that flew all the way to the Southern Russian oil depot the other day, if it's the same drone that flew to the Engels airport, but that one was a Ukrainian (it's an old Soviet reconnaissance drone that's been repurposed). It is possible that the Americans are giving them satellite data for these particular operations, but who knows. And, yes, they do have a right to retaliate, given that much worse has been done to them and in fact they would be protecting themselves from further attacks. You cannot start a war of this scale and not expect your territory to be touched. This also highlights the gaps in the Russian air defense, I'm not sure it's even possible to cover the whole territory the size of Russia's.

    because that’s another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.
     
    Russia is already punishing Ukraine, thinking that this is the way they will have an effect on NATO. And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible (frankly, I doubt it will come to that).

    Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.
     
    This should've been the goal since 1991, this is unfinished homework for all these EE states, if Ukraine had kept its military assets, and improved their MIC, Russia may not have attacked.

    I’m not convinced though it’s a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.
     
    They have already escalated to the level that they possibly could (besides nukes). They can do more missile attacks maybe (but they also need to keep producing missiles for that). But it is hard for them to take out these drones with their current air defense system. So Ukraine is outsmarting them by trying to hit them asymmetrically.

    I don’t want to fight either. I’ve probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.
     
    It's very frustrating and even draining at times (but it is so much harder for Ukrainians). I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking. I don't approve of everything that is going on, but Russia must be kept at bay. Also, if the US did hit the Nordstream, then that's a very big deal (can technically be considered an act of war against your country, I understand why they would do it, because there is no way that Russia would start a continental war and still keep those pipes running, I don't have enough competence to judge this and have no idea who really did it, but I understand your concerns). And I know you mentioned you have a health issue, so I hope you are not in pain (I know that being in pain can make someone really cranky and even aggressive sometimes).

    So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.
     
    It will be a combination of the creativity of the Ukrainian General Staff, the amount of the weapons delivered and the stamina of the Ukrainian soldiers.

    tbh I don’t think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea
     
    That's why they are not yet receiving the long range missiles. If they received those, they could do it with fewer casualties, but, if not, they will have to attack Crimea frontally and it will be hard. I'm not sure how realistic it is, but Crimea is vulnerable in the sense that it can be turned from a peninsula into an island (in terms of logistics). And, yea, it would be a total shit show.

    Replies: @German_reader

  892. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Could the English word "measure" be related to the German word "Messer" (knife?)

    Don't think there is any official etymological connection, but I can't shake the idea they could be connected. There is also the English word "mess" which can mean a portion of food (mess kit, mess hall), and which, in origin, might be interpreted to suggest the action of knife, in dividing it.

    Sadly, what made me think of it is repeated German headlines.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Sadly, what made me think of it is repeated German headlines.

    The worst part are always the crocodile tears by the politicians who are responsible for the situation.
    Some recent stories:
    https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/ludwigshafen/messerattacke-oggersheim-zweiter-prozesstag-100.html
    https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2023/messermord-motiv/

    Will change nothing though, the entire establishment would have to admit they’ve been wrong after all, so there will be many more such cases.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    I find it really shocking how the regime seems to be continuing to import Somalis.

    IMO, any type of moderation about open borders or diversity worship would mean that there was at least a full stop on new arrivals of Somalis, but that doesn't seem to be the case, at all. They keep coming.

    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can't crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.

    The other, which I personally do think is unlikely, is that it is a deliberate plan to crash things. To offload retirement entitlements and debt and maybe the idea of democracy or a free society.

    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

  893. @S
    @LatW



    Yes the West is dying.
     
    The West is dying very slowly..
     
    Living things, like peoples, have natural life cycles where they live and die.

    But what is going on today in the West, and what is planned for the East (and elsewhere) tommorrow, with the uncontrolled mass immigration being put in place by diktat as a bio-weapon, is not natural.

    The West is instead being murdered.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The West is instead being murdered.

    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?

    Voting base:

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?
     
    Coconuts, I say this in the spirit of constructive criticism, but please do not blame ordinary Western people for the ongoing genocide (in the truest sense of this much abused word) perpetrated against them. The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people. These elites and their secret societies are aiming at creating an omnipresent One World Gvoernment super-state; headed by none other than Hillary Clinton and George Soros. Read the magnificent book “New Rome” which explains everything you need to know about the world. There’s a reason why I don’t read your posts.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Voting base:
     
    Some people on these threads appear to be interested in Russian jokes. Here is a relatively new one:
    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes. She says:
    - I am non-traditional, non-binary…
    He wants to impress her and says:
    - Well, I am also mad.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  894. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Btw, I remember you mentioned once that it is ok to negotiate while the bombings of Ukrainian towns are still taking place, well, I can say the same now – Ukraine & Russia can negotiate with drones falling on the RusFed infrastructure that is used to attack Ukraine.
     
    I didn't write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).
    Obviously Ukraine is fully in its rights to do so. The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc., because that's another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.
    But sure, if Ukraine can manage such attacks on its own, one can hardly object, an attacker has to reckon with such retaliation. Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.
    I'm not convinced though it's a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.

    We have already spoken about this over and over (and then it all just ended up with us fighting, which I don’t like). Leaving RusFed with significant territorial gains, large swaths of which have now been pushed into indigenous Ukrainian territory, will only leave the war to be continued by the following generations.
     
    I don't want to fight either. I've probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.
    The way I see it, there are no good options now. There may have been a short time window to stop the war and bring about a mutually acceptable negotiated settlement in spring 2022, but that opportunity is clearly past now...I understand that no Ukrainian government could accept the annexations since then (which also include Russian claims on territory Russia doesn't control after all). So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.
    I think total Ukrainian victory is unlikely with the kind of support they're realistically going to receive (and there are other factors, most notably China), and tbh I don't think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea (or the parts of Donbass held by the separatists before February 2022, where most of the remaining residents probably are genuinely anti-Ukraine), the risks of this escalating to a nuclear crisis are too high.
    Anyway, one has to wait what the summer brings, probably no point to idle speculation.

    Replies: @LatW

    I didn’t write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).

    No, but you said that Ukraine should try to negotiate even with Russian missiles falling over their infrastructure. Anyway, it doesn’t matter.

    The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc.

    I’m not even sure if the drone that flew all the way to the Southern Russian oil depot the other day, if it’s the same drone that flew to the Engels airport, but that one was a Ukrainian (it’s an old Soviet reconnaissance drone that’s been repurposed). It is possible that the Americans are giving them satellite data for these particular operations, but who knows. And, yes, they do have a right to retaliate, given that much worse has been done to them and in fact they would be protecting themselves from further attacks. You cannot start a war of this scale and not expect your territory to be touched. This also highlights the gaps in the Russian air defense, I’m not sure it’s even possible to cover the whole territory the size of Russia’s.

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    because that’s another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.

    Russia is already punishing Ukraine, thinking that this is the way they will have an effect on NATO. And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible (frankly, I doubt it will come to that).

    Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.

    This should’ve been the goal since 1991, this is unfinished homework for all these EE states, if Ukraine had kept its military assets, and improved their MIC, Russia may not have attacked.

    I’m not convinced though it’s a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.

    They have already escalated to the level that they possibly could (besides nukes). They can do more missile attacks maybe (but they also need to keep producing missiles for that). But it is hard for them to take out these drones with their current air defense system. So Ukraine is outsmarting them by trying to hit them asymmetrically.

    I don’t want to fight either. I’ve probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.

    It’s very frustrating and even draining at times (but it is so much harder for Ukrainians). I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking. I don’t approve of everything that is going on, but Russia must be kept at bay. Also, if the US did hit the Nordstream, then that’s a very big deal (can technically be considered an act of war against your country, I understand why they would do it, because there is no way that Russia would start a continental war and still keep those pipes running, I don’t have enough competence to judge this and have no idea who really did it, but I understand your concerns). And I know you mentioned you have a health issue, so I hope you are not in pain (I know that being in pain can make someone really cranky and even aggressive sometimes).

    So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.

    It will be a combination of the creativity of the Ukrainian General Staff, the amount of the weapons delivered and the stamina of the Ukrainian soldiers.

    tbh I don’t think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea

    That’s why they are not yet receiving the long range missiles. If they received those, they could do it with fewer casualties, but, if not, they will have to attack Crimea frontally and it will be hard. I’m not sure how realistic it is, but Crimea is vulnerable in the sense that it can be turned from a peninsula into an island (in terms of logistics). And, yea, it would be a total shit show.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible
     
    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn't attack NATO territory). Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn't suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn't granted. That seems exceedingly implausible to me (though I would even agree that it was appropriate to support Ukraine so Russia doesn't turn the entire country into a puppet state, which would have been an undesirable increase in Russian power). From my pov the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict...and the consequences for the Baltic states would presumably be quite catastrophic.

    I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking.
     
    They aren't even that overwhelming in every regard, e.g. the whole deal with the Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling. Might even be the correct decision given the risks of a Ukrainian offensive against Crimea, but one could also call it pretty cynical, given how it can be argued that Biden's administration has raised unrealistic expectations in Ukraine and contributed to getting Ukraine into a terrible predicament.
    From my perspective US policy is just pretty warped, like those hubristic (and not all that competent) "elites" shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions...I mean, sure, in the end the invasion was Putin's choice, he, his cronies and the Russian military deserve moral censure for it...but from my pov it just looks like Biden's administration didn't even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack (yes, I know, the official Russian demands were unacceptable...but why not at least make an attempt to come up with a counter-offer?). Nor do I think this war would have happened without a multitude of Western foreign policy decisions going back to the 2000s at least (which imo doesn't mean absolving Russia of its own responsibility, of course Russia also had other options). This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).

    so I hope you are not in pain
     
    I sort of am, thanks for the concern. And on top of my usual ailments I've been having Corona since the weekend (one reason why I've spent so much time on fruitless discussions here).
    Had trouble with those stupid tests, several didn't show proper results. Made in China of course. I'm normally not that anti-Chinese, but the thought struck me how irritating it is that China probably caused this pandemic through absurdly dangerous experiments, and now its medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don't even work reliably.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

  895. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    I didn’t write anything about Ukrainian drones attacking RF territory impeding negotiations (or did I?).
     
    No, but you said that Ukraine should try to negotiate even with Russian missiles falling over their infrastructure. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

    The issue is when they do so with Western (= mostly American) support, like targeting data etc.
     
    I'm not even sure if the drone that flew all the way to the Southern Russian oil depot the other day, if it's the same drone that flew to the Engels airport, but that one was a Ukrainian (it's an old Soviet reconnaissance drone that's been repurposed). It is possible that the Americans are giving them satellite data for these particular operations, but who knows. And, yes, they do have a right to retaliate, given that much worse has been done to them and in fact they would be protecting themselves from further attacks. You cannot start a war of this scale and not expect your territory to be touched. This also highlights the gaps in the Russian air defense, I'm not sure it's even possible to cover the whole territory the size of Russia's.

    because that’s another step towards direct NATO participation in the war, which must be avoided.
     
    Russia is already punishing Ukraine, thinking that this is the way they will have an effect on NATO. And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible (frankly, I doubt it will come to that).

    Theoretically at least it might even be conducive towards negotations by evening the playing field.
     
    This should've been the goal since 1991, this is unfinished homework for all these EE states, if Ukraine had kept its military assets, and improved their MIC, Russia may not have attacked.

    I’m not convinced though it’s a wise thing to do in reality, since Russia still has much greater escalation potential to retaliate against such actions.
     
    They have already escalated to the level that they possibly could (besides nukes). They can do more missile attacks maybe (but they also need to keep producing missiles for that). But it is hard for them to take out these drones with their current air defense system. So Ukraine is outsmarting them by trying to hit them asymmetrically.

    I don’t want to fight either. I’ve probably been unnecessarily bellicose recently, am rather agitated by these issues.
     
    It's very frustrating and even draining at times (but it is so much harder for Ukrainians). I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking. I don't approve of everything that is going on, but Russia must be kept at bay. Also, if the US did hit the Nordstream, then that's a very big deal (can technically be considered an act of war against your country, I understand why they would do it, because there is no way that Russia would start a continental war and still keep those pipes running, I don't have enough competence to judge this and have no idea who really did it, but I understand your concerns). And I know you mentioned you have a health issue, so I hope you are not in pain (I know that being in pain can make someone really cranky and even aggressive sometimes).

    So the outlook is pretty bleak now, difficult to see how this could end with anything better than some Korea-like permanent ceasefire.
     
    It will be a combination of the creativity of the Ukrainian General Staff, the amount of the weapons delivered and the stamina of the Ukrainian soldiers.

    tbh I don’t think Ukraine should be supported in attempts to take Crimea
     
    That's why they are not yet receiving the long range missiles. If they received those, they could do it with fewer casualties, but, if not, they will have to attack Crimea frontally and it will be hard. I'm not sure how realistic it is, but Crimea is vulnerable in the sense that it can be turned from a peninsula into an island (in terms of logistics). And, yea, it would be a total shit show.

    Replies: @German_reader

    And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible

    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn’t attack NATO territory). Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn’t suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn’t granted. That seems exceedingly implausible to me (though I would even agree that it was appropriate to support Ukraine so Russia doesn’t turn the entire country into a puppet state, which would have been an undesirable increase in Russian power). From my pov the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict…and the consequences for the Baltic states would presumably be quite catastrophic.

    I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking.

    They aren’t even that overwhelming in every regard, e.g. the whole deal with the Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling. Might even be the correct decision given the risks of a Ukrainian offensive against Crimea, but one could also call it pretty cynical, given how it can be argued that Biden’s administration has raised unrealistic expectations in Ukraine and contributed to getting Ukraine into a terrible predicament.
    From my perspective US policy is just pretty warped, like those hubristic (and not all that competent) “elites” shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions…I mean, sure, in the end the invasion was Putin’s choice, he, his cronies and the Russian military deserve moral censure for it…but from my pov it just looks like Biden’s administration didn’t even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack (yes, I know, the official Russian demands were unacceptable…but why not at least make an attempt to come up with a counter-offer?). Nor do I think this war would have happened without a multitude of Western foreign policy decisions going back to the 2000s at least (which imo doesn’t mean absolving Russia of its own responsibility, of course Russia also had other options). This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).

    so I hope you are not in pain

    I sort of am, thanks for the concern. And on top of my usual ailments I’ve been having Corona since the weekend (one reason why I’ve spent so much time on fruitless discussions here).
    Had trouble with those stupid tests, several didn’t show proper results. Made in China of course. I’m normally not that anti-Chinese, but the thought struck me how irritating it is that China probably caused this pandemic through absurdly dangerous experiments, and now its medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don’t even work reliably.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    From field and well, through pipe to terminal, I suspect Gas and Oil infrastructure is going to be targeted by all sorts of sabotage and terror groups for the next couple of decades.

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn’t attack NATO territory).
     
    I agree. I was just worried about a scenario where Russia occupies all of Ukraine, all the way up to Lviv and then having that right next door to Poland would be awful, the hell we need that in 2023. But that scenario is out of the question now. And Ukraine have their own troops.

    There might also be something brewing in Transnistria and that's close to Romania. If Moldova were to ask for assistance, it's possible Ukraine would oblige.

    Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn’t suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn’t granted.
     
    No, you're right, that's not a given. Especially now. However, they would be emboldened, could wait for some 10 years and then try something. Frankly, even a partial occupation of Ukraine might be a somewhat of a burden for them, since Ukraine would never be at peace with it and there would be constant tension.

    the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict
     
    This is a risk, because one never knows how things can go. However, I'm not sure Russia is able to open another front right now. But one shouldn't count on it and it doesn't mean it's good to have such a volatile overall situation.

    They aren’t even that overwhelming in every regard
     
    No, they're not, probably someone like Reagan or Bush Jr would have been more assertive. Or Hillary.

    Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling
     
    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams. But, yea, Americans also have a ton of Humvees sitting around in the desert (that they may never even use). Anyway, I don't want to sound pushy about it.

    “elites” shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions
     
    I don't think they can control everything, so they are just reacting to this situation and trying to project some strength. Which they did succeed in, thanks to the UA army and the support from the American population.

    from my pov it just looks like Biden’s administration didn’t even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack
     
    Well, Blinken tried. Apparently, the head of CIA made several visits to Russia (or at least was in rather close contact with them) before the invasion, but who knows what was discussed there. One such piece of info is that apparently they spoke to Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly. Not sure if this is true though.

    This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).
     
    You're right, it's quite a disaster. For me the biggest disappointment is the security vacuum that was never filled out by Russia's neighbors becoming stronger, but of course, Russia would've objected to that (and in the case of Ukraine, actively undermined their military by infiltrating their security apparatus).

    I sort of am, thanks for the concern.
     
    Aw, poor thing. I thought you must be, since you sounded a bit cranky. Don't torment yourself and take as much pain medication as you need (just don't get hooked on it).

    I’ve been having Corona
     
    Geez, even with a booster? And, yea, it would be better to have German tests, but I guess the Chinese ones must be cheaper. I'm not that anti-China either, but, yea, it is crazy how they are still winning out of this.

    Replies: @German_reader

  896. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Asceticism is very important in Sufism. Especially in the Tariqa Khalwatyyia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalwati_order

    It is key in Orthodox monastic tradition, its earliest Saints being the Egyptian Desert fathers:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

    Ans yes it is of outstanding importance in the Buddhadharma.

    My preferred sutra is the Khaggavisana Sutta (Rhinoceros Horn Sutra) which is probably among the most ancient Buddhist scriptures. It describes the way of the early Buddhist ascetic:

    https://www.hermitary.com/solitude/rhinoceros.html

    There are many similarities between the three ascetic traditions.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Hi Ivashka,

    You offered to bet me on whether Belarus would join the war soon, because you thought they were about to.

    Any updates on your thoughts, now that they haven’t done so and some time has passed?

    I did see that Lukashenko has ordered the creation of a large citizen militia to “learn from the lessons of Ukraine.” But that seems to be learning from the Ukrainians on how to secure independence, not the other way around. Odd.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-209/#comment-5813399

  897. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Ukrainian is not a language, an ethnicity a culture or history.
     
    Can’t agree. There is Ukrainian language, plus a few dialects of it in Western Ukraine, some more Polonized, others more Germanized. Several works of literature (e.g., Kotliarevsky, Nechuy-Levytsky, Franko, to name a few) were written in mainstream (Poltava) Ukrainian. Ukrainian culture is dwarfed by Russian culture, but it looks mighty compared to Latvian or Lithuanian culture, as well as many similar pygmies.

    Shevchenko is an easy target: alcoholic, third-rate poet and even lesser writer, glorifier of Haydamaks, whose claim to fame is mass murder of Poles and Jews. But only people woefully ignorant of Ukrainian literature and its history can see that pathetic person as a towering figure.

    Ukrainian is a nationality, even though current regime is busily making it a psychiatric diagnosis. This regime, along with its idiotic claims, will end up in the dustbin of history, as it amply deserves. Ukrainian language and literature will remain. Ukrainian history is quite short, even compared to relatively short (about twelve centuries) Russian history, but it exists.

    I can only agree that all significant Ukrainian achievements were within Russia, as catastrophic decline after 1991 shows. Ukraine withered like a branch cut off from the roots. But we have to remember that 32 years are a very short period even compared to Ukrainian history. Eventually compradores and other scum will be discarded, normalcy will return and bring in new achievements within Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    Your view, which I respect of course, appears a mixture of Skoropadsky and Putin’s views on the situation.

    Skoropadsky – that we are different peoples with different culture BUT that Ukraine culture and state can only develop from being closely aligned with Russia, that Galicians are separate or too different from malorossiyans, that Galician idiotic, psychopathic and inferiority complex model for Ukrainian people would be a disaster, that Galician “elites” are backwards freaks who would sell the country to foreign control. There is a lot there that is proven prophetic.

    Putin – that Ukrainian culture only developed from union with Russia, that we are still the same people…… but nothing to suggest he views Galicians as different from other Ukrainians.

  898. One thing that Oil and Gas energy companies ought to impress on the FruFru governments of the EU is that we are witnessing widespread attacks on Energy Infrastructure by randos like the Jew King of Kiev and their slavish Polish Intermariumites. The fracturing of the SU coincided with the increase in Energy prices, which could be managed. The Fracturing of the RusFed will lead to even more sabotage of pipelines and oilfields. Industrial Sabotage of specifically Energy products on a scale hitherto not seen will become the norm.

  899. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    I wonder, what is happening to the US MSM? NBC had a journo travel via Crimean bridge to Crimea and talked to the people there. Naturally, they told him that they are Russians and will defend their place from Ukraine. But the unusual thing is that NBC put it on air.

    So, either some editors at NBC are going to be fired, or some in the American elites are coming to their senses. We’ll see in a month or two.

    Replies: @A123

    I wonder, what is happening to the US MSM? NBC had a journo travel via Crimean bridge to Crimea and talked to the people there. Naturally, they told him that they are Russians and will defend their place from Ukraine. But the unusual thing is that NBC put it on air.

    So, either some editors at NBC are going to be fired, or some in the American elites are coming to their senses. We’ll see in a month or two.

    The establishment is evil & corrupt, but not stupid.

    Regardless of the dollar amount to Ukraine, the House can and will put auditors that they control to monitor the money flow. The Big Guy no longer Gets His 10%. Thus, they are moving on to the next thing.

    Those who live in America grasp that America has no power or prestige at stake. Ukraine has is an exploitable money pit, not a commitment. I am not sure why certain European commenters here fail to grasp the big picture.

    The Ukie Maximalists cannot win. The DNC does not want to own a loss or quagmire. Thus, the establishment needs to deprioritize or fully disconnect from the Ukraine fiasco as early as possible. They do not want to carry obvious liabilities into the 2024 campaigns. Giving this European war back to Europe is a straightforward play.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    We still don’t know what NBC corrupt “leadership” is going to do, but Ukie Nazis have already responded in their habitual way: put that NBC journo on “Mirotvorets” (literally “Peacekeeper”; I guess it’s black humor) website. A while ago only decent people were put by the scum on that site, but lately quite a few scumbags (who are apparently deemed not mad and obnoxious enough) also appeared there. Snake eats snake.

  900. @German_reader
    @LatW


    And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible
     
    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn't attack NATO territory). Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn't suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn't granted. That seems exceedingly implausible to me (though I would even agree that it was appropriate to support Ukraine so Russia doesn't turn the entire country into a puppet state, which would have been an undesirable increase in Russian power). From my pov the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict...and the consequences for the Baltic states would presumably be quite catastrophic.

    I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking.
     
    They aren't even that overwhelming in every regard, e.g. the whole deal with the Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling. Might even be the correct decision given the risks of a Ukrainian offensive against Crimea, but one could also call it pretty cynical, given how it can be argued that Biden's administration has raised unrealistic expectations in Ukraine and contributed to getting Ukraine into a terrible predicament.
    From my perspective US policy is just pretty warped, like those hubristic (and not all that competent) "elites" shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions...I mean, sure, in the end the invasion was Putin's choice, he, his cronies and the Russian military deserve moral censure for it...but from my pov it just looks like Biden's administration didn't even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack (yes, I know, the official Russian demands were unacceptable...but why not at least make an attempt to come up with a counter-offer?). Nor do I think this war would have happened without a multitude of Western foreign policy decisions going back to the 2000s at least (which imo doesn't mean absolving Russia of its own responsibility, of course Russia also had other options). This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).

    so I hope you are not in pain
     
    I sort of am, thanks for the concern. And on top of my usual ailments I've been having Corona since the weekend (one reason why I've spent so much time on fruitless discussions here).
    Had trouble with those stupid tests, several didn't show proper results. Made in China of course. I'm normally not that anti-Chinese, but the thought struck me how irritating it is that China probably caused this pandemic through absurdly dangerous experiments, and now its medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don't even work reliably.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    From field and well, through pipe to terminal, I suspect Gas and Oil infrastructure is going to be targeted by all sorts of sabotage and terror groups for the next couple of decades.

  901. @German_reader
    @LatW


    And, yes, I agree that NATO participation should be avoided for as long as possible
     
    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn't attack NATO territory). Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn't suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn't granted. That seems exceedingly implausible to me (though I would even agree that it was appropriate to support Ukraine so Russia doesn't turn the entire country into a puppet state, which would have been an undesirable increase in Russian power). From my pov the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict...and the consequences for the Baltic states would presumably be quite catastrophic.

    I understand that you have a contrarian position and that such overwhelming actions by America are not to your liking.
     
    They aren't even that overwhelming in every regard, e.g. the whole deal with the Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling. Might even be the correct decision given the risks of a Ukrainian offensive against Crimea, but one could also call it pretty cynical, given how it can be argued that Biden's administration has raised unrealistic expectations in Ukraine and contributed to getting Ukraine into a terrible predicament.
    From my perspective US policy is just pretty warped, like those hubristic (and not all that competent) "elites" shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions...I mean, sure, in the end the invasion was Putin's choice, he, his cronies and the Russian military deserve moral censure for it...but from my pov it just looks like Biden's administration didn't even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack (yes, I know, the official Russian demands were unacceptable...but why not at least make an attempt to come up with a counter-offer?). Nor do I think this war would have happened without a multitude of Western foreign policy decisions going back to the 2000s at least (which imo doesn't mean absolving Russia of its own responsibility, of course Russia also had other options). This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).

    so I hope you are not in pain
     
    I sort of am, thanks for the concern. And on top of my usual ailments I've been having Corona since the weekend (one reason why I've spent so much time on fruitless discussions here).
    Had trouble with those stupid tests, several didn't show proper results. Made in China of course. I'm normally not that anti-Chinese, but the thought struck me how irritating it is that China probably caused this pandemic through absurdly dangerous experiments, and now its medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don't even work reliably.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn’t attack NATO territory).

    I agree. I was just worried about a scenario where Russia occupies all of Ukraine, all the way up to Lviv and then having that right next door to Poland would be awful, the hell we need that in 2023. But that scenario is out of the question now. And Ukraine have their own troops.

    There might also be something brewing in Transnistria and that’s close to Romania. If Moldova were to ask for assistance, it’s possible Ukraine would oblige.

    Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn’t suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn’t granted.

    No, you’re right, that’s not a given. Especially now. However, they would be emboldened, could wait for some 10 years and then try something. Frankly, even a partial occupation of Ukraine might be a somewhat of a burden for them, since Ukraine would never be at peace with it and there would be constant tension.

    the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict

    This is a risk, because one never knows how things can go. However, I’m not sure Russia is able to open another front right now. But one shouldn’t count on it and it doesn’t mean it’s good to have such a volatile overall situation.

    They aren’t even that overwhelming in every regard

    No, they’re not, probably someone like Reagan or Bush Jr would have been more assertive. Or Hillary.

    Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling

    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams. But, yea, Americans also have a ton of Humvees sitting around in the desert (that they may never even use). Anyway, I don’t want to sound pushy about it.

    “elites” shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions

    I don’t think they can control everything, so they are just reacting to this situation and trying to project some strength. Which they did succeed in, thanks to the UA army and the support from the American population.

    from my pov it just looks like Biden’s administration didn’t even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack

    Well, Blinken tried. Apparently, the head of CIA made several visits to Russia (or at least was in rather close contact with them) before the invasion, but who knows what was discussed there. One such piece of info is that apparently they spoke to Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly. Not sure if this is true though.

    This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).

    You’re right, it’s quite a disaster. For me the biggest disappointment is the security vacuum that was never filled out by Russia’s neighbors becoming stronger, but of course, Russia would’ve objected to that (and in the case of Ukraine, actively undermined their military by infiltrating their security apparatus).

    [MORE]

    I sort of am, thanks for the concern.

    Aw, poor thing. I thought you must be, since you sounded a bit cranky. Don’t torment yourself and take as much pain medication as you need (just don’t get hooked on it).

    I’ve been having Corona

    Geez, even with a booster? And, yea, it would be better to have German tests, but I guess the Chinese ones must be cheaper. I’m not that anti-China either, but, yea, it is crazy how they are still winning out of this.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams.
     
    I don't buy that tbh. imo it's a pretext, the US just doesn't want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).
    The issue with the Leopards is that their numbers only sound impressive on paper, but in reality most of those aren't available for various reasons and Ukraine probably won't get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen. I don't claim to understand the situation fully, but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games, where the military situation in Ukraine wasn't the most important factor.

    Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly.

     

    If true, that's been shown to be rather delusional.
    It seems somewhat dubious to me, but on the other hand, given all the hype about Russian Wunderwaffen one has read here and in other places on the net over the years (and which some Western right-wingers still seem to believe), maybe Putin and his circle started believing their own propaganda.

    even with a booster?
     
    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I've ever had, but still unpleasant.
    But of course that's just a minor inconvenience...I don't want to imagine how people who've lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

  902. @Coconuts
    @S


    The West is instead being murdered.
     
    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?

    Voting base:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7_0D7APy0

    Replies: @Yahya, @AnonfromTN

    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?

    Coconuts, I say this in the spirit of constructive criticism, but please do not blame ordinary Western people for the ongoing genocide (in the truest sense of this much abused word) perpetrated against them. The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people. These elites and their secret societies are aiming at creating an omnipresent One World Gvoernment super-state; headed by none other than Hillary Clinton and George Soros. Read the magnificent book “New Rome” which explains everything you need to know about the world. There’s a reason why I don’t read your posts.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Yahya

    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.

    Replies: @A123

  903. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @A123


    They insist on German values that let in everyone, no questions asked.
     
    That's actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.
    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn't really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.

    Replies: @A123

    That’s actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.

    Thanks. Its a start.

    It is painfully clear that Not-The-President Biden’s administration is puppetered by outside Anti-American forces. If you stop trying to inappropriately and clumsily shift blame to the U.S. — I can stop reshifting the blame to Germany. You cannot possibly believe that “Not-The-President Biden represents America” or “America’s unelected regime is setting global policy”.

    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn’t really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.

    Even European politicians are admitting something on the order of 1/3 of Ukrainian document holders are actually MENA origin. The link between migration and the conflict is hard to deny.

    If you want to say that neither Zelensky nor Putin are fighting for EU migration — I would agree with that statement. Just like Not-The-President Biden, Zelensky acts like a puppet (though Z may actually be a willing collaborator instead). Putin was stuck with the “least bad option”, a major offensive he really does not want. An armistice should be easy to achieve once Zelensky flees to his safe haven in Europe.

    As long as Zelensky is in charge, the puppet masters will try keep the unwinnable fight going. However, real America has neither prestige nor commitment at stake. The unelected White House puppet is losing the ability to deliver cash for a non-American endeavor.

    Will Zelensky’s true masters step up with billions of €uros when the dollars go away?

    If not, something big will likely happen in the Fall when war funding dries up.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    You cannot possibly believe that “Not-The-President Biden represents America”
     
    He represents a sizeable part of America. Just as the current German government represents a sizeable part of German society (maybe 30-40% who support most of their ideological agenda, more in the classes which are dominating public discourse, staffing the civil service etc.). You can of course choose to prefer comforting illusions that there is no genuine support for the policies you oppose and it's all merely due to the shady machinations of WEF elites (which to some extent do exist, I'm not denying that), but imo that's a self-defeating attitude (or maybe not, the reality is quite depressing after all, it's not just some conspiracy which could be overturned by an uprising of the people, but at least partially a deep civilizational rot).

    Replies: @A123

  904. AP says:
    @songbird
    Did Ze really say this?
    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1630763587471032322?s=20

    And does he believe it? Or is it just meant to be internally-consumed rhetoric?

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @QCIC

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP


    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.
     
    Seeing people misrepresent this clip has been comical to watch. It was sooooo obvious what Zelensky was saying, even without the full context, and you still had all these people using this as proof that Zelensky intended to deploy US troops against Russia.

    Zelensky's point was still bullshit but he wasn't suggesting that he had control over the US military.

    The far right has completely lost its mind.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @songbird
    @AP

    Who is the audience?


    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.
     
    That is actually what I thought, but it does not seem like an especially likely scenario to me (and I wonder if he really believes it), but there is also another way it can be interpreted: even if we lose, it won't be for nothing because the US Goliath will set it right eventually, and regain Crimea and Donbass for us. That's the interpretation I would put on it, if I knew he was talking to Ukrainians.
    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US. Not probably but very likely that US troops will be in direct conflict with Russia. Also, I saw this as a threat. If he were an ethnic Ukie I would take the more innocent explanation but there's definitely an aspect to it.

    Why isn't Zelenskyy attempting to draft in Israelis openly into the Donbass for example? Why Anglos and such? Most Israeli men have a few years of service and know how to fight Arabs with Soviet gear? he has called Putin a Fascisto-Nazi hasn't he?

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @Greasy William

  905. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Nowadays after war anyway Israeli companies was moving those IT outsourcing workers to Poland https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-bezalel-smotrich-presents-2023-2024-budget-1001439802
     
    Oops the incorrect link. It is this link https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    Outsourcing colony exits Ukraine, moves to Poland

    The plan: Evacuation to Poland

    In Ukraine it is understood that these 17,000 employees of Israeli companies are in danger, although a distinction is made between cities like Kharkhov, Mariupol and Dnipro, which would likely be in the path of any potential Russian invasion, and cities closer to the Polish and Belarus borders like Kiev, Odessa, and Lvov, which are considered safer..
     
    https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-israeli-tech-firms-have-much-to-lose-in-ukraine-1001400210

    Replies: @AP

    Companies have moved from Kharkiv to Lviv. Lviv isn’t losing tech workers overall.

  906. @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?
     
    Coconuts, I say this in the spirit of constructive criticism, but please do not blame ordinary Western people for the ongoing genocide (in the truest sense of this much abused word) perpetrated against them. The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people. These elites and their secret societies are aiming at creating an omnipresent One World Gvoernment super-state; headed by none other than Hillary Clinton and George Soros. Read the magnificent book “New Rome” which explains everything you need to know about the world. There’s a reason why I don’t read your posts.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Coconuts



    The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people.
     
    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.
     
    You do need to be somewhat careful following Yahya's advice. The correct phrasing is:

    The fault lies with the *EUROPEAN* elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”)

    The European WEF, centered in the Swiss city of Davos, is the definitive collection of Elites. Merkel is the #1 crafter of Elite Open Borders politics. Scholz, and his Traffic Light coalition, is more of the same: (1)

    The head of the FDP parliamentary group in the Bundestag, Christian Dürr, told SPIEGEL.

    However, if prosperity is to be secured, Germany needs “at least 400,000 immigrants per year”.

    Faeser's suggestion is a "good approach," but not enough to make Germany "a modern immigration country."

    "The next step is for us to draw up an immigration law that removes bureaucratic hurdles and allows extensive migration into the labor market," demands Dürr.

    According to the draft for a "one-year chance of residence", tolerated migrants who have been living in Germany for five years or more should be given the opportunity to stay legally in the country permanently.
     
    And, due to Schengen -- Once work papers are issued to wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) they are good anywhere in the EU.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-06-10-fdp-wants-%E2%80%9Cat-least-400-000-immigrants-per-year%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-for-prosperity.S1hRvAeYc.html

    Replies: @Coconuts

  907. A123 says: • Website

    NATO admission requires unanimity. Turkey has been pushing that quite effectively. Now, as I expected, Hungary joins the fray. (1)

    The Hungarian parliament will begin to debate Sweden and Finland’s NATO membership bids on Wednesday; however, there are “serious discussions” to be had regarding the countries’ criticism of Hungarian democracy before ratifying their accession to the defense alliance, Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has said.

    He revealed there is a strong counter-argument against the membership bids by some within his party. “They’re spreading blatant lies about Hungary, about the rule of law in Hungary, about democracy, about life here; how, the argument goes, can anyone want to be our ally in a military system while they’re shamelessly spreading lies about Hungary?”

    “If they expect us to be fair to them, then they should also be fair to Hungary,” Orbán added.

    Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó announced on Monday a Hungarian delegation would visit both Helsinki and Stockholm as part of the parliamentary ratification process “to dispel their concerns about unfounded lies about the state of Hungary’s democracy.”

    “In recent years, lies and made-up news about Hungary have been spread by government officials in Sweden, quite regularly,” Szijjártó told Swedish broadcaster SVT.

    This would seem to offer a way out. If Ukraine cannot join NATO, that takes one of Russia’s concerns off the table.

    Then, Norway escalates the issue again: (2)

    Yet. After the western alliance previously swore that NATO would not put any member NATO state on the doorstep of Russia, a promise that was weak and viewed by many as false – ultimately influencing the decision by Russia, NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg said today that Ukraine will be joining NATO as soon as the conflict is concluded.

    Now, given that statement, why would Russia even fathom entering any type of peaceful resolution to the conflict. In essence, Stoltenberg has just turned the conflict in Ukraine into a zero-sum issue for Russia. The only way Russia can keep NATO away from its border is to win violently against Ukraine.

    What is Norway playing at? Assuming that he is taking orders from his home country. This has to be among the stupidest announcements ever. It is all down side. It inflames the conflict, and he does not have the power to admit a new member state.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/nato/hungarian-mps-lack-enthusiasm-over-sweden-and-finland-nato-bids-orban-warns/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/28/well-there-it-is-nato-general-secretary-states-ukraine-will-definitely-become-a-nato-member-once-conflict-with-russia-concludes/

  908. A123 says: • Website
    @Coconuts
    @Yahya

    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.

    Replies: @A123

    The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people.

    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.

    You do need to be somewhat careful following Yahya’s advice. The correct phrasing is:

    The fault lies with the *EUROPEAN* elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”)

    The European WEF, centered in the Swiss city of Davos, is the definitive collection of Elites. Merkel is the #1 crafter of Elite Open Borders politics. Scholz, and his Traffic Light coalition, is more of the same: (1)

    The head of the FDP parliamentary group in the Bundestag, Christian Dürr, told SPIEGEL.

    However, if prosperity is to be secured, Germany needs “at least 400,000 immigrants per year”.

    Faeser’s suggestion is a “good approach,” but not enough to make Germany “a modern immigration country.”

    “The next step is for us to draw up an immigration law that removes bureaucratic hurdles and allows extensive migration into the labor market,” demands Dürr.

    According to the draft for a “one-year chance of residence”, tolerated migrants who have been living in Germany for five years or more should be given the opportunity to stay legally in the country permanently.

    And, due to Schengen — Once work papers are issued to wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) they are good anywhere in the EU.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-06-10-fdp-wants-%E2%80%9Cat-least-400-000-immigrants-per-year%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-for-prosperity.S1hRvAeYc.html

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @A123


    The fault lies with the *EUROPEAN* elite and their hangers-on...
     
    The fault arguably lies with problems inherent in the concept itself, this might become clearer over time, but also...

    ...in the use the elites have made of it, and the extent to which they have embraced the spirit of it. Then in the people, who should have been more alert to possible problems, especially when an actively engaged civic culture was on the decline. (At least in Britain, this may not apply to the US).

    As far as I can tell this has been a joint Western European/North American phenomena.
  909. @AP
    @songbird

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @Wokechoke

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    Seeing people misrepresent this clip has been comical to watch. It was sooooo obvious what Zelensky was saying, even without the full context, and you still had all these people using this as proof that Zelensky intended to deploy US troops against Russia.

    Zelensky’s point was still bullshit but he wasn’t suggesting that he had control over the US military.

    The far right has completely lost its mind.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    What sort of threat to their core sense of identity must be being wrong on these issues be that they can't even watch a clip of someone talking without one of their defence mechanisms kicking in and completely and surreally distorting their perception?

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  912. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @AP


    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.
     
    Seeing people misrepresent this clip has been comical to watch. It was sooooo obvious what Zelensky was saying, even without the full context, and you still had all these people using this as proof that Zelensky intended to deploy US troops against Russia.

    Zelensky's point was still bullshit but he wasn't suggesting that he had control over the US military.

    The far right has completely lost its mind.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What sort of threat to their core sense of identity must be being wrong on these issues be that they can’t even watch a clip of someone talking without one of their defence mechanisms kicking in and completely and surreally distorting their perception?

  913. @songbird
    Did Ze really say this?
    https://twitter.com/TOOEdit/status/1630763587471032322?s=20

    And does he believe it? Or is it just meant to be internally-consumed rhetoric?

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @QCIC

    President Z is the star of the show, I mean the lead actor.

    But who is the showrunner? The lead writer?

    +++

    With a sense of fairness I ask the same questions regarding Biden and Trump.

    Inquiring minds would like to know.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    #1 suspect is these fellows:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Mega_Group

    (not jolly good.)

    Replies: @QCIC

  914. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    imo it has to be avoided at all costs (of course provided Russia doesn’t attack NATO territory).
     
    I agree. I was just worried about a scenario where Russia occupies all of Ukraine, all the way up to Lviv and then having that right next door to Poland would be awful, the hell we need that in 2023. But that scenario is out of the question now. And Ukraine have their own troops.

    There might also be something brewing in Transnistria and that's close to Romania. If Moldova were to ask for assistance, it's possible Ukraine would oblige.

    Frankly, I think your risk analysis is faulty. You seem to think that if Russia doesn’t suffer a crushing defeat in Ukraine, then they will next try some some sort of blackmail to move NATO out of Poland or the Baltic states, and attack if that isn’t granted.
     
    No, you're right, that's not a given. Especially now. However, they would be emboldened, could wait for some 10 years and then try something. Frankly, even a partial occupation of Ukraine might be a somewhat of a burden for them, since Ukraine would never be at peace with it and there would be constant tension.

    the real risk is that ever deepening NATO involvement in Ukraine leads to a spill-over of the conflict and a direct NATO-Russia conflict
     
    This is a risk, because one never knows how things can go. However, I'm not sure Russia is able to open another front right now. But one shouldn't count on it and it doesn't mean it's good to have such a volatile overall situation.

    They aren’t even that overwhelming in every regard
     
    No, they're not, probably someone like Reagan or Bush Jr would have been more assertive. Or Hillary.

    Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on dubious pretexts is pretty telling
     
    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams. But, yea, Americans also have a ton of Humvees sitting around in the desert (that they may never even use). Anyway, I don't want to sound pushy about it.

    “elites” shaping US foreign policy are completely oblivious of the consequences of their actions
     
    I don't think they can control everything, so they are just reacting to this situation and trying to project some strength. Which they did succeed in, thanks to the UA army and the support from the American population.

    from my pov it just looks like Biden’s administration didn’t even make much of an attempt to defuse the situation diplomatically in the weeks before the Russian attack
     
    Well, Blinken tried. Apparently, the head of CIA made several visits to Russia (or at least was in rather close contact with them) before the invasion, but who knows what was discussed there. One such piece of info is that apparently they spoke to Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly. Not sure if this is true though.

    This entire outcome is an absolute disaster that should have been avoidable and is an indictment of almost the entire Western political class (certainly the American one, but also the Europeans who mostly botched the opportunities opening up in the early 1990s).
     
    You're right, it's quite a disaster. For me the biggest disappointment is the security vacuum that was never filled out by Russia's neighbors becoming stronger, but of course, Russia would've objected to that (and in the case of Ukraine, actively undermined their military by infiltrating their security apparatus).

    I sort of am, thanks for the concern.
     
    Aw, poor thing. I thought you must be, since you sounded a bit cranky. Don't torment yourself and take as much pain medication as you need (just don't get hooked on it).

    I’ve been having Corona
     
    Geez, even with a booster? And, yea, it would be better to have German tests, but I guess the Chinese ones must be cheaper. I'm not that anti-China either, but, yea, it is crazy how they are still winning out of this.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams.

    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).
    The issue with the Leopards is that their numbers only sound impressive on paper, but in reality most of those aren’t available for various reasons and Ukraine probably won’t get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen. I don’t claim to understand the situation fully, but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games, where the military situation in Ukraine wasn’t the most important factor.

    Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly.

    If true, that’s been shown to be rather delusional.
    It seems somewhat dubious to me, but on the other hand, given all the hype about Russian Wunderwaffen one has read here and in other places on the net over the years (and which some Western right-wingers still seem to believe), maybe Putin and his circle started believing their own propaganda.

    even with a booster?

    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I’ve ever had, but still unpleasant.
    But of course that’s just a minor inconvenience…I don’t want to imagine how people who’ve lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).
     
    Abrams is a more finicky platform. Because it has been upgraded multiple times there are things that never would have been designed that way. As a result, it requires extra training and maintenance. Leopard can train up in 6 months, while Abrams is really about 12.

    The big issues are battle field related. Leopard 55 tons / Abrams 75 tons. Also, Abrams need jet fuel for their turbines. Leopard uses a conventional diesel plant. When fielding hundreds of tanks, the Abrams makes a great deal of sense despite being too dang heavy. However, the logistics to support 30 makes no sense.

    PEACE 😇
    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons
     
    What reason? Are you thinking the US want allies to put more pressure on Germany? I know little about tanks, but that's what a seasoned Ukrainian military officer said, that Abrams would be harder to maintain (although I'm sure he wouldn't reject them if given a chance, to put it mildly).

    Ukraine probably won’t get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen.
     
    Maybe, but some Leopards are arriving, in small numbers, yes. And they will get the old Polish tank. It will be visible in the nearest future how many they'll get.

    but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games

     

    Those discussions were very unfortunate, and what is even worse is that, in the age of Twitter and "public diplomacy", a lot of them happened out in the open. Weapons discussions normally should not be disclosed. But that was a big part of it, because the European public demanded a lot so, paradoxically, it came out to Ukraine's advantage. There was a lot of stress and a very high level of coordination needed with so many countries involved so that can be an excuse.

    I think the US, because they've already provided so much, wanted to also act like a coordinator for others to pitch in and provide on their side. Frankly, I'm not happy with any of these large countries, because they were all signatories to the Budapest memorandum. But in this context Russia & even China are much worse than the US (vis a vis Ukraine & E.Europe).

    Btw, you might find this interesting: today a somewhat mysterious political ad appeared in Russia, from what looks like some kind of a "peace party" within Kremlin urging to withdraw troops back to the lines of Feb 23. It called the ongoing "operation" a trap for Russia, and that Russia has completed the original goal of "eliminating the military threat from Ukraine" and that this "threat will now be gone for many years". It means some kind of a peace fraction has appeared in the Russian government. They are realizing how bad they are doing and they are looking for a way out. But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this...

    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I’ve ever had, but still unpleasant.
     
    The risk / benefit calculation is very questionable. I only got it for travel even though I really didn't want to (also, there was peer pressure). I'm not going to get any more boosters. I felt weird symptoms long after that, the worse of it was a strange type of fatigue, which luckily seems to be gone now. I'm more worried about how it can affect the younger ones.

    imagine how people who’ve lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.
     
    It's horrible. To experience such a huge loss for a trivial reason like that. It's almost as bad as all those crazy, random Somali stabbings. Those are insane.

    But for pandemic, it's not just the dead, but also the countless families that suffered because of the lockdown, job loss, stress, etc. Also, children having had to wear a mask for months 6 hours a day at school was really heart wrenching.

    What worries me re: China, is just how fast China is appearing everywhere. For Europe it's a particularly sensitive issue, I believe, because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there... how will Europe have its own undisturbed space? The EEs are kind of in a periphery so they will not be China's main focus of interest (mostly just for logistics and for food), however, being in the periphery also makes them more vulnerable for political (incl. geopolitical) and economic exploitation due to the lack of a strong institutional base and strong local finances.

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader

  915. @Coconuts
    @S


    The West is instead being murdered.
     
    Is liberal democracy the murder weapon?

    Voting base:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk7_0D7APy0

    Replies: @Yahya, @AnonfromTN

    Voting base:

    Some people on these threads appear to be interested in Russian jokes. Here is a relatively new one:
    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes. She says:
    – I am non-traditional, non-binary…
    He wants to impress her and says:
    – Well, I am also mad.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    It is funny but I think it misses a crucial point about "non-binary."

    Non-binary means nothing more than that you sometimes relate to things traditionally associated with the other sex, while also relating to some of the things associated with your own sex.

    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you're non-binary.

    In other words, it means absolutely everyone, as no one is such a ridiculous stereotype, and therefore it means nothing.

    So to rephrase:

    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes.
    She says:
    - I am non binary...
    He wants to impress her and says:
    - Well, I identify as a person who drinks water, breathes air and sleeps regularly.

    Yes, I probably don't have a career as a professional comedian but everyone would benefit from understanding this. Stupid narcissistic teenager claims to special identity and, rather than freaking out, wise older person should basically just reply "you're normal", rather than playing into their frame and hyping up the extraordinariness of it. Basically "go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary."

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

  916. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @German_reader


    That’s actually a legit criticism of Germany for once. German migration policy has certainly had quite destructive consequences for places like the Greek islands and Balkan countries.
     
    Thanks. Its a start.

    It is painfully clear that Not-The-President Biden's administration is puppetered by outside Anti-American forces. If you stop trying to inappropriately and clumsily shift blame to the U.S. -- I can stop reshifting the blame to Germany. You cannot possibly believe that "Not-The-President Biden represents America" or "America's unelected regime is setting global policy".

    Contrary to your strange assertions about the WEF agenda to bring in migrants via Ukraine, this doesn’t really have to do much with the war in Ukraine though.
     
    Even European politicians are admitting something on the order of 1/3 of Ukrainian document holders are actually MENA origin. The link between migration and the conflict is hard to deny.

    If you want to say that neither Zelensky nor Putin are fighting for EU migration -- I would agree with that statement. Just like Not-The-President Biden, Zelensky acts like a puppet (though Z may actually be a willing collaborator instead). Putin was stuck with the "least bad option", a major offensive he really does not want. An armistice should be easy to achieve once Zelensky flees to his safe haven in Europe.

    As long as Zelensky is in charge, the puppet masters will try keep the unwinnable fight going. However, real America has neither prestige nor commitment at stake. The unelected White House puppet is losing the ability to deliver cash for a non-American endeavor.

    Will Zelensky's true masters step up with billions of €uros when the dollars go away?

    If not, something big will likely happen in the Fall when war funding dries up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @German_reader

    You cannot possibly believe that “Not-The-President Biden represents America”

    He represents a sizeable part of America. Just as the current German government represents a sizeable part of German society (maybe 30-40% who support most of their ideological agenda, more in the classes which are dominating public discourse, staffing the civil service etc.). You can of course choose to prefer comforting illusions that there is no genuine support for the policies you oppose and it’s all merely due to the shady machinations of WEF elites (which to some extent do exist, I’m not denying that), but imo that’s a self-defeating attitude (or maybe not, the reality is quite depressing after all, it’s not just some conspiracy which could be overturned by an uprising of the people, but at least partially a deep civilizational rot).

    • Agree: Yahya
    • Disagree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Just as the current German government represents a sizeable part of German society (maybe 30-40% who support most of their ideological agenda, more in the classes which are dominating public discourse, staffing the civil service etc.).
     
    Which German parties favour Open [Muslim] Borders? Everybody but AfD and Other?

     
    https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/final-prelim-results-2021-german-federal-election-and-2017-result.png
     

    You can of course choose to prefer comforting illusions that only 30-40% of Germans support current policy. Looking at the hard election numbers it is more like 80%+.


    He represents a sizeable part of America.
     
    One of America's long standing traditions in polling is "Right Track / Wrong Track". Recent numbers: (1)
        Biden: Favorable / Unfavorable -- 41.5 / 51.7 / -10.2
        Right Track / Wrong Track -- 27.0 / 64.3 / -37.3

    There is objective evidence that I am correct in my accurate assertion that Not-The-President Biden does not represent a majority of Americans. If you want to blame him by name feel free. He will be shamed when the money for Ukie aggression goes away.

    America has nothing on the line in Ukraine. It is an easy, though expensive, "walk away". If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

  917. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    I wonder, what is happening to the US MSM? NBC had a journo travel via Crimean bridge to Crimea and talked to the people there. Naturally, they told him that they are Russians and will defend their place from Ukraine. But the unusual thing is that NBC put it on air.

    So, either some editors at NBC are going to be fired, or some in the American elites are coming to their senses. We’ll see in a month or two.
     
    The establishment is evil & corrupt, but not stupid.

    Regardless of the dollar amount to Ukraine, the House can and will put auditors that they control to monitor the money flow. The Big Guy no longer Gets His 10%. Thus, they are moving on to the next thing.

    Those who live in America grasp that America has no power or prestige at stake. Ukraine has is an exploitable money pit, not a commitment. I am not sure why certain European commenters here fail to grasp the big picture.

    The Ukie Maximalists cannot win. The DNC does not want to own a loss or quagmire. Thus, the establishment needs to deprioritize or fully disconnect from the Ukraine fiasco as early as possible. They do not want to carry obvious liabilities into the 2024 campaigns. Giving this European war back to Europe is a straightforward play.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    We still don’t know what NBC corrupt “leadership” is going to do, but Ukie Nazis have already responded in their habitual way: put that NBC journo on “Mirotvorets” (literally “Peacekeeper”; I guess it’s black humor) website. A while ago only decent people were put by the scum on that site, but lately quite a few scumbags (who are apparently deemed not mad and obnoxious enough) also appeared there. Snake eats snake.

  918. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams.
     
    I don't buy that tbh. imo it's a pretext, the US just doesn't want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).
    The issue with the Leopards is that their numbers only sound impressive on paper, but in reality most of those aren't available for various reasons and Ukraine probably won't get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen. I don't claim to understand the situation fully, but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games, where the military situation in Ukraine wasn't the most important factor.

    Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly.

     

    If true, that's been shown to be rather delusional.
    It seems somewhat dubious to me, but on the other hand, given all the hype about Russian Wunderwaffen one has read here and in other places on the net over the years (and which some Western right-wingers still seem to believe), maybe Putin and his circle started believing their own propaganda.

    even with a booster?
     
    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I've ever had, but still unpleasant.
    But of course that's just a minor inconvenience...I don't want to imagine how people who've lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).

    Abrams is a more finicky platform. Because it has been upgraded multiple times there are things that never would have been designed that way. As a result, it requires extra training and maintenance. Leopard can train up in 6 months, while Abrams is really about 12.

    The big issues are battle field related. Leopard 55 tons / Abrams 75 tons. Also, Abrams need jet fuel for their turbines. Leopard uses a conventional diesel plant. When fielding hundreds of tanks, the Abrams makes a great deal of sense despite being too dang heavy. However, the logistics to support 30 makes no sense.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: LatW
  919. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @A123


    You cannot possibly believe that “Not-The-President Biden represents America”
     
    He represents a sizeable part of America. Just as the current German government represents a sizeable part of German society (maybe 30-40% who support most of their ideological agenda, more in the classes which are dominating public discourse, staffing the civil service etc.). You can of course choose to prefer comforting illusions that there is no genuine support for the policies you oppose and it's all merely due to the shady machinations of WEF elites (which to some extent do exist, I'm not denying that), but imo that's a self-defeating attitude (or maybe not, the reality is quite depressing after all, it's not just some conspiracy which could be overturned by an uprising of the people, but at least partially a deep civilizational rot).

    Replies: @A123

    Just as the current German government represents a sizeable part of German society (maybe 30-40% who support most of their ideological agenda, more in the classes which are dominating public discourse, staffing the civil service etc.).

    Which German parties favour Open [Muslim] Borders? Everybody but AfD and Other?

      

    You can of course choose to prefer comforting illusions that only 30-40% of Germans support current policy. Looking at the hard election numbers it is more like 80%+.

    He represents a sizeable part of America.

    One of America’s long standing traditions in polling is “Right Track / Wrong Track”. Recent numbers: (1)
        Biden: Favorable / Unfavorable — 41.5 / 51.7 / -10.2
        Right Track / Wrong Track — 27.0 / 64.3 / -37.3

    There is objective evidence that I am correct in my accurate assertion that Not-The-President Biden does not represent a majority of Americans. If you want to blame him by name feel free. He will be shamed when the money for Ukie aggression goes away.

    America has nothing on the line in Ukraine. It is an easy, though expensive, “walk away”. If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

  920. @Ivashka the fool
    @Gerard1234


    that’s before we get to the stunning success on the battlefield.
     
    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad…..

    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.

    As a secondary point – how deranged do you have to be think Terbat. gays “defended” certain regions while in other regions ukronazi army and Nazi battalions got pissed over and incinerated?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234

    Remember Russian saying “собака лает, караван идет” (“the dog barks, but the caravan keeps moving”)?

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Gerard1234


    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.
     
    Russia annihilated the "Ukronazis" in all of those places, which is why there are no Russians there anymore and a lot of "Ukronazis."
  921. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Voting base:
     
    Some people on these threads appear to be interested in Russian jokes. Here is a relatively new one:
    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes. She says:
    - I am non-traditional, non-binary…
    He wants to impress her and says:
    - Well, I am also mad.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It is funny but I think it misses a crucial point about “non-binary.”

    Non-binary means nothing more than that you sometimes relate to things traditionally associated with the other sex, while also relating to some of the things associated with your own sex.

    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.

    In other words, it means absolutely everyone, as no one is such a ridiculous stereotype, and therefore it means nothing.

    So to rephrase:

    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes.
    She says:
    – I am non binary…
    He wants to impress her and says:
    – Well, I identify as a person who drinks water, breathes air and sleeps regularly.

    Yes, I probably don’t have a career as a professional comedian but everyone would benefit from understanding this. Stupid narcissistic teenager claims to special identity and, rather than freaking out, wise older person should basically just reply “you’re normal”, rather than playing into their frame and hyping up the extraordinariness of it. Basically “go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    “go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”
     
    Sure, because terms like "non-binary" and the entire associated trans ideology were created by teenagers, a totally authentic youth culture, nothing else to see here...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.
     
    Holy sh*t, do not scare me. I always thought of myself as purely straight (liking beautiful women doesn't count, since everyone likes them, haha).

    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  922. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    It is funny but I think it misses a crucial point about "non-binary."

    Non-binary means nothing more than that you sometimes relate to things traditionally associated with the other sex, while also relating to some of the things associated with your own sex.

    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you're non-binary.

    In other words, it means absolutely everyone, as no one is such a ridiculous stereotype, and therefore it means nothing.

    So to rephrase:

    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes.
    She says:
    - I am non binary...
    He wants to impress her and says:
    - Well, I identify as a person who drinks water, breathes air and sleeps regularly.

    Yes, I probably don't have a career as a professional comedian but everyone would benefit from understanding this. Stupid narcissistic teenager claims to special identity and, rather than freaking out, wise older person should basically just reply "you're normal", rather than playing into their frame and hyping up the extraordinariness of it. Basically "go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary."

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    “go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”

    Sure, because terms like “non-binary” and the entire associated trans ideology were created by teenagers, a totally authentic youth culture, nothing else to see here…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    The way RW media report on this stuff is backwards. Wokeness rose from the bottom-up. Yes, there were academic precursors, but there are billions of academic ideas that no one ends up caring about.

    The trends weren't cooked up in shadowy rooms. They were instead responded to by the most opportunistic, like any trend. RWers should learn from this. Usually "cui buono" is whomever responds faster and better. Like any successful entrepreneur. Bezoa didn't conspire to make online shopping better than real shopping. Instead, everything was in place for it to be and he took advantage, to his tremendous personal gain.

    Unsurprisingly, a bunch of old and out of touch men on the RW internet don't know this. The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed. Places like the NYT then went super-Woke to try and play catch up and also went from failing and facing bankruptcy to having never been so profitable. These are facts, conceding them doesn't make Wokeness right.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.

    Replies: @German_reader

  923. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Sadly, what made me think of it is repeated German headlines.
     
    The worst part are always the crocodile tears by the politicians who are responsible for the situation.
    Some recent stories:
    https://www.swr.de/swraktuell/rheinland-pfalz/ludwigshafen/messerattacke-oggersheim-zweiter-prozesstag-100.html
    https://jungefreiheit.de/politik/deutschland/2023/messermord-motiv/

    Will change nothing though, the entire establishment would have to admit they've been wrong after all, so there will be many more such cases.

    Replies: @songbird

    I find it really shocking how the regime seems to be continuing to import Somalis.

    IMO, any type of moderation about open borders or diversity worship would mean that there was at least a full stop on new arrivals of Somalis, but that doesn’t seem to be the case, at all. They keep coming.

    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can’t crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.

    The other, which I personally do think is unlikely, is that it is a deliberate plan to crash things. To offload retirement entitlements and debt and maybe the idea of democracy or a free society.

    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.
     
    Pretty stark when one considers the technological advances in forensics.
    Recently saw some tweets claiming that South Africa is finally descending into total collapse, the level of infrastructural decay (due not just to incompetence and lack of investment, but also to sabotage and issues like organized copper theft) seems to be unbelievable.
    Now South Africa of course has its own specific history. But who knows if something like that isn't our own future at least in the long term.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can’t crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.
     
    I would also think it is more this one. Addressing the Somalian issue would be against the spirit of the regime at the moment, and the implications would be too problematic.

    Replies: @songbird

  924. @QCIC
    @songbird

    President Z is the star of the show, I mean the lead actor.

    But who is the showrunner? The lead writer?

    +++

    With a sense of fairness I ask the same questions regarding Biden and Trump.

    Inquiring minds would like to know.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    #1 suspect is these fellows:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Mega_Group

    (not jolly good.)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks.

    I imagine these jerks are several levels below the top dogs. That might be the right level to implement something like the Ukraine mess. I wonder if they hang out with Kolomoisky?

  925. @AP
    @songbird

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @Wokechoke

    Who is the audience?

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    That is actually what I thought, but it does not seem like an especially likely scenario to me (and I wonder if he really believes it), but there is also another way it can be interpreted: even if we lose, it won’t be for nothing because the US Goliath will set it right eventually, and regain Crimea and Donbass for us. That’s the interpretation I would put on it, if I knew he was talking to Ukrainians.

  926. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    “go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”
     
    Sure, because terms like "non-binary" and the entire associated trans ideology were created by teenagers, a totally authentic youth culture, nothing else to see here...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The way RW media report on this stuff is backwards. Wokeness rose from the bottom-up. Yes, there were academic precursors, but there are billions of academic ideas that no one ends up caring about.

    The trends weren’t cooked up in shadowy rooms. They were instead responded to by the most opportunistic, like any trend. RWers should learn from this. Usually “cui buono” is whomever responds faster and better. Like any successful entrepreneur. Bezoa didn’t conspire to make online shopping better than real shopping. Instead, everything was in place for it to be and he took advantage, to his tremendous personal gain.

    Unsurprisingly, a bunch of old and out of touch men on the RW internet don’t know this. The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed. Places like the NYT then went super-Woke to try and play catch up and also went from failing and facing bankruptcy to having never been so profitable. These are facts, conceding them doesn’t make Wokeness right.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.
     
    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don't find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn't create it.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
     
    Careful, you're starting to sound like Medvedev.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

  927. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    The way RW media report on this stuff is backwards. Wokeness rose from the bottom-up. Yes, there were academic precursors, but there are billions of academic ideas that no one ends up caring about.

    The trends weren't cooked up in shadowy rooms. They were instead responded to by the most opportunistic, like any trend. RWers should learn from this. Usually "cui buono" is whomever responds faster and better. Like any successful entrepreneur. Bezoa didn't conspire to make online shopping better than real shopping. Instead, everything was in place for it to be and he took advantage, to his tremendous personal gain.

    Unsurprisingly, a bunch of old and out of touch men on the RW internet don't know this. The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed. Places like the NYT then went super-Woke to try and play catch up and also went from failing and facing bankruptcy to having never been so profitable. These are facts, conceding them doesn't make Wokeness right.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.

    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    Medvedev is just trying to occupy now vacant niche of late Zhirinovsky. However, Zhirinovsky was often funny and sometimes credible, whereas Medvedev is neither.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev's is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.
     
    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is "Contra-Points." He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.

    This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?

    And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.

    And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.

    There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I'd also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.

    https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @Coconuts

  928. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    I find it really shocking how the regime seems to be continuing to import Somalis.

    IMO, any type of moderation about open borders or diversity worship would mean that there was at least a full stop on new arrivals of Somalis, but that doesn't seem to be the case, at all. They keep coming.

    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can't crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.

    The other, which I personally do think is unlikely, is that it is a deliberate plan to crash things. To offload retirement entitlements and debt and maybe the idea of democracy or a free society.

    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.

    Pretty stark when one considers the technological advances in forensics.
    Recently saw some tweets claiming that South Africa is finally descending into total collapse, the level of infrastructural decay (due not just to incompetence and lack of investment, but also to sabotage and issues like organized copper theft) seems to be unbelievable.
    Now South Africa of course has its own specific history. But who knows if something like that isn’t our own future at least in the long term.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Recently saw some tweets claiming that South Africa is finally descending into total collapse, the level of infrastructural decay (due not just to incompetence and lack of investment, but also to sabotage and issues like organized copper theft) seems to be unbelievable.
     
    I've seen that too. Of course, this rhetoric has been around for a while, but it seems like inevitably the consequences are going to add up.

    Supposedly, things are a little better on the Western Cape. Not many potholes (partly weather-related?), and jobs are actually still being added to the economy. But I think there might be water issues in urban areas.

    Pretty interesting story, overall, and I really wonder where things are going. The infrastructure of South Africa seems like it was always something noted as remarkable and out of place by travelers, and it doesn't seem like the new political system is capable of maintaining it. I understand that the same thing happened with Rhodesia, but it was a lot more rural, and so without the same potential for spectacular failures.

    The million dollar question is: are they capable of any kind of reforms to recover function? South Africa is probably big enough that they could open up special economic or political zones, if they wanted to.
  929. @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.
     
    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don't find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn't create it.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
     
    Careful, you're starting to sound like Medvedev.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

    you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.

    Medvedev is just trying to occupy now vacant niche of late Zhirinovsky. However, Zhirinovsky was often funny and sometimes credible, whereas Medvedev is neither.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't think a dour, straight Slav can adequately replace a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role. It's like trying to replace Freddy Mercury as frontman of Queen with Brian May.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  930. @Gerard1234
    @Ivashka the fool


    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.....
     
    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.

    As a secondary point - how deranged do you have to be think Terbat. gays "defended" certain regions while in other regions ukronazi army and Nazi battalions got pissed over and incinerated?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

    Remember Russian saying “собака лает, караван идет” (“the dog barks, but the caravan keeps moving”)?

  931. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.
     
    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don't find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn't create it.

    The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
     
    Careful, you're starting to sound like Medvedev.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.

    My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev’s is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.

    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is “Contra-Points.” He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.

    This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?

    And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.

    And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.

    There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I’d also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.

    It basically destroyed him. His audience hasn't followed him off the platform.

    Many others have been cancelled, or demonetized, or hidden from suggestions, or have had their payment services like Paypal cancelled. Plus, the system has been reworked to make it less organic. They ditched response videos a long time ago. Now, it is heavily about promotion and what they want to feed you. At one time, you couldn't be a right-winger and have autoplay on and not have JBP videos automatically play, predictably without fail.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Seems like an ad for trannies.

    From what little I have seen of both, Ann Coulter is more convincing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.
     
    Organic might be a good choice of word. I would agree that parts of this are an organic movement in a similar way to many influential and transformative social movements of the past. (I would wonder about race issues outside of the US, I suspect this is different.)

    There are interesting questions about the extent to which its hegemony is inevitable and whether there are any alternatives. The reasons right-wingers and others oppose it are probably rooted in deeply held differences in values as much as anything.

    Opposition has been never gone away, I looked at Unherd yesterday and saw this as the lead article:

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/who-will-stand-against-progress/

    Then today, it looks like parts of the British establishment are becoming aware of issues with Woke:

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-death-of-historical-truth/

    While the movement in favour is organic, am not so sure about the absence of a counter-movement. I think the legal framework, social media companies and so on are restraining this, at least in countries where there is a combination of robust anti-hate laws and pro-diversity/identity regulations.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  932. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    Medvedev is just trying to occupy now vacant niche of late Zhirinovsky. However, Zhirinovsky was often funny and sometimes credible, whereas Medvedev is neither.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I don’t think a dour, straight Slav can adequately replace a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role. It’s like trying to replace Freddy Mercury as frontman of Queen with Brian May.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role.
     
    According to him, Zhirinovsky was only 50% Jewish (according to Orthodox Jews he was not Jewish at all): he used to say “my mother was a Russian, and my father a lawyer”.
  933. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Gerard1234
    @Ivashka the fool


    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.....
     
    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.

    As a secondary point - how deranged do you have to be think Terbat. gays "defended" certain regions while in other regions ukronazi army and Nazi battalions got pissed over and incinerated?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa

    What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.

    Russia annihilated the “Ukronazis” in all of those places, which is why there are no Russians there anymore and a lot of “Ukronazis.”

  934. @AP
    @songbird

    Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.

    So he is saying, give us the weapons we need to defeat the Russians, otherwise you’re going to have to fight the Russians later like we are doing now.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @songbird, @Wokechoke

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US. Not probably but very likely that US troops will be in direct conflict with Russia. Also, I saw this as a threat. If he were an ethnic Ukie I would take the more innocent explanation but there’s definitely an aspect to it.

    Why isn’t Zelenskyy attempting to draft in Israelis openly into the Donbass for example? Why Anglos and such? Most Israeli men have a few years of service and know how to fight Arabs with Soviet gear? he has called Putin a Fascisto-Nazi hasn’t he?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke


    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US
     
    Indeed, if Ukraine loses and Russia later attacks the Baltics and Poland there is a chance for the draft. That’s why Zelensky is using the West to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs, in order to defeat Russia and prevent Russia from further misadventures in Europe that would trigger Article 5.

    Of course, the odds of Russia attacking NATO members after taking Ukraine are pretty low (Ukraine wanted to join NATO in order to prevent such an attack). Though Russia had been demanding that NATO leave Poland and the Baltics, and quickly seizing one of the Baltic republics might be seen as a test case to see if NATO breaks (would a MAGA administration risk any American lives for Talinn?). People like Beckow are whining about “Russian rights” over there. So the odds are not zero.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    If rumours about Palestinian recruitment into Donbas will be confirmed, more Israelis might come "voluntarily" too, lol


    Palestinians living in sprawling refugee camps in Lebanon have been offered $350 to fight for Russia in Ukraine, according to The Jerusalem Post, which cited a Lebanese government security source and reporting from independent news agency The Media Line.

    Recruits are also being given a monthly stipend and compensation for their families in exchange for agreeing to fight on Russia's behalf, The Jerusalem Post reported.

    The majority of Palestinians being deployed to Ukraine come from the largest Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon, Ein El Hilweh Camp, the report said. Ein El Hilweh has a population of about 80,000 people, according to a 2017 UN estimate.

    It's not clear how many Palestinians have been recruited to date, but the publication reported that about 300 had already completed training and been deployed. Another 100 or so from the camp are being prepared for deployment, the newspaper said.

    Recruits from Ein El Hilweh are predominantly members of Fatah, a political party led by Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, per The Jerusalem Post. Others belong to another major Palestinian political party, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the newspaper said.

    The majority of those being recruited do not have proper registration with Lebanese authorities, making it easier for them to travel and harder for the government to track them, per The Jerusalem Post.

    The Internal Security Forces of Lebanon did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

    It's not clear who's behind the recruitment drive, with The Jerusalem Post suggesting it could be in coordination with activists associated with the Palestinian Embassy in Lebanon, or the Shia Islamist militant group Hezbollah.

    Insider was unable to independently verify these claims.

    But it is known that Russia has previously recruited Syrian volunteers to fight in Ukraine. Russian mercenary group Wagner has also recruited fighters internationally, according to Voice of America News.

    Riad Kahwaji, a Dubai-based security analyst, told The Media Line that Russia recruiting Palestinian refugees to fight in Ukraine wouldn't be surprising.
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/palestine-refugees-paid-350-fight-for-russia-in-ukraine-report-2023-3?
    , @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke


    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US
     
    Americans would refuse to fight. The US govt would never do such thing.

    Replies: @QCIC

  935. @A123
    @Coconuts



    The fault lies with the North American elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) to enrich themselves at the expense on ordinary people.
     
    I know Yahya, I am sorry :(. I will try to do better in the future.
     
    You do need to be somewhat careful following Yahya's advice. The correct phrasing is:

    The fault lies with the *EUROPEAN* elite and their hangers-on; who since time immemorial have been importing wage slaves (aka “immigrants”)

    The European WEF, centered in the Swiss city of Davos, is the definitive collection of Elites. Merkel is the #1 crafter of Elite Open Borders politics. Scholz, and his Traffic Light coalition, is more of the same: (1)

    The head of the FDP parliamentary group in the Bundestag, Christian Dürr, told SPIEGEL.

    However, if prosperity is to be secured, Germany needs “at least 400,000 immigrants per year”.

    Faeser's suggestion is a "good approach," but not enough to make Germany "a modern immigration country."

    "The next step is for us to draw up an immigration law that removes bureaucratic hurdles and allows extensive migration into the labor market," demands Dürr.

    According to the draft for a "one-year chance of residence", tolerated migrants who have been living in Germany for five years or more should be given the opportunity to stay legally in the country permanently.
     
    And, due to Schengen -- Once work papers are issued to wage slaves (aka “immigrants”) they are good anywhere in the EU.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-06-10-fdp-wants-%E2%80%9Cat-least-400-000-immigrants-per-year%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%93-for-prosperity.S1hRvAeYc.html

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The fault lies with the *EUROPEAN* elite and their hangers-on…

    The fault arguably lies with problems inherent in the concept itself, this might become clearer over time, but also…

    …in the use the elites have made of it, and the extent to which they have embraced the spirit of it. Then in the people, who should have been more alert to possible problems, especially when an actively engaged civic culture was on the decline. (At least in Britain, this may not apply to the US).

    As far as I can tell this has been a joint Western European/North American phenomena.

  936. @songbird
    @German_reader

    I find it really shocking how the regime seems to be continuing to import Somalis.

    IMO, any type of moderation about open borders or diversity worship would mean that there was at least a full stop on new arrivals of Somalis, but that doesn't seem to be the case, at all. They keep coming.

    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can't crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.

    The other, which I personally do think is unlikely, is that it is a deliberate plan to crash things. To offload retirement entitlements and debt and maybe the idea of democracy or a free society.

    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts

    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can’t crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.

    I would also think it is more this one. Addressing the Somalian issue would be against the spirit of the regime at the moment, and the implications would be too problematic.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    I suspect that a solution to the Somali issue might be the easiest of all, too. Recognize Somaliland in return for resettling Somalis in the West back there.

    Give them some amount of aid, to accomplish this, but not as institutionalized welfare, but as diminishing payments, or other investments.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  937. @LatW
    @Beckow


    The claim that Russia always wanted all of Ukraine – plus most of Europe is a way they try to suppress any discussion.
     
    You misunderstood (deliberately?) what I said about Putin's quote. Discussion is being had continuously, freely.

    They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine. Not necessarily millions of troops stationed there (which a real occupation would require, thus they basically wanted to have their cake and eat it too - achieve grandiose political aims with limited physical and intellectual means). Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin's - they talk about re-education camps for Ukrainians, they talk about taking Kyiv. I do not agree with you that what they have now is modest, as you described above - all that chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it's basically stealing (do you like being stolen from, do you think it's ok?), they have also stepped into indigenous Ukrainian territory now (such as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, etc). Ukraine has full rights to use military means to push them back according to international law.

    Once Russia would have taken over Ukraine (as they planned), they would have repeated their ultimatum to NATO on the steps of Poland and Baltics. "Pick up your items and leave EE". This was their hope.

    Putin has outdated ideas about Ukraine. It is deluded thinking of a "patriotic pensioner" with catastrophic and criminal consequences.

    And probably an emasculated, demilitarized rump Ukraine in the center-west.
     

    Yea, and that's not what Ukrainians want or any country would want of their population. Everybody wants their enemy to be emasculated, that's wishful thinking. The opposite has happened, the Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine.

    They wanted influence and profits. So does EU, US, China, Poland, Turkey…who do you think controls Kiev now? The vague accusations of the other evil side of wanting what you want, what everyone always wants is idiocy. If you don’t see it you are so deep into the narcissistic crap of “we good, they bad” and nobody can help you.

    Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin’

    Some of the statements on the Western-Ukie propaganda channels are even crazier. So what? I am for an absolute freedom of speech – if a nutcase in Moscow, London, Kiev or Warsaw wants to vent and hallucinate, what harm is to me? None of that matters – it is just the way tribes always provoke each other.

    chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it’s basically stealing

    Right. US steals, UK steals, and now, the horror! Russia is stealing. How can that be, we all know that nobody ever took others’ land – only Russia! I have been counting on you being sane, are you?

    Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.

    When you are dead or maimed you are not manly, you are gone. Watch the emasculated Westerners giggle about how incredibly stupid these Ukies are – all the Ukie women that will be left at the mercy of the less manly Westerners, who does that? What is the point of dying so others can benefit? You are really ‘showing’ them, haha…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    They wanted influence and profits.
     
    They wanted too much political influence (and, yes, financial, economic, too). At the expense of Ukraine, other neighbors (they already had it good which they do not realize, everyone spoke Russian, they got questionable residence permits, etc). Nobody on the planet gives such influence willingly, without getting something in return. You can exchange some sovereignty for real benefits (like access to markets, military protection and cooperation, funding for certain programs, et al), but Russia basically wants her neighbors to be totally neutered, compromise their own culture and history, and be the carriers of their culture for free.

    So does EU, US, China, Poland, Turkey…who do you think controls Kiev now?
     
    US & China, yes, but even they do not meddle to that extent. The US does not control Kyiv fully, that's a propaganda statement. In the future, the State Department will be frustrated with Kyiv, since they will chart their own course (even within the Atlantic structures) and there will not be much to be done against it because the Ukes fought for Europe. They're the European legionaries now and will get special status for that.
  938. @Ivashka the fool
    @Philip Owen

    Qazaqs! Really ?

    Whom exactly would that be...

    😄

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Derussification is already under way.

  939. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US. Not probably but very likely that US troops will be in direct conflict with Russia. Also, I saw this as a threat. If he were an ethnic Ukie I would take the more innocent explanation but there's definitely an aspect to it.

    Why isn't Zelenskyy attempting to draft in Israelis openly into the Donbass for example? Why Anglos and such? Most Israeli men have a few years of service and know how to fight Arabs with Soviet gear? he has called Putin a Fascisto-Nazi hasn't he?

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @Greasy William

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US

    Indeed, if Ukraine loses and Russia later attacks the Baltics and Poland there is a chance for the draft. That’s why Zelensky is using the West to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs, in order to defeat Russia and prevent Russia from further misadventures in Europe that would trigger Article 5.

    Of course, the odds of Russia attacking NATO members after taking Ukraine are pretty low (Ukraine wanted to join NATO in order to prevent such an attack). Though Russia had been demanding that NATO leave Poland and the Baltics, and quickly seizing one of the Baltic republics might be seen as a test case to see if NATO breaks (would a MAGA administration risk any American lives for Talinn?). People like Beckow are whining about “Russian rights” over there. So the odds are not zero.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP

    Yes, you're right. The same people would be whining about Russian rights. The same people would be decalring that it is not in their interests to help the Baltics. The same people would be ominously talking up nuclear annihilation. The same people would be eulogising Russian military prowess. The same people would be saying Putin was provoked. The same people would be blaming America. The same people would be demonising local resistance. The same people would be disingenuously claiming that the locals were the ones that stopped negotiations.

    And yet the same people say it would never happen. Even though they are the same people, minus those who could admit being wrong and change their mind, who argued that Russia would not invade Ukraine.

    Here is a classic Tweet from one of these same people the day Russia invaded, just after he said they'd never do it and it was all American lies:



    https://twitter.com/SpiritofHo/status/1496689035443679236?s=20

  940. @Yahya
    @Mr. Hack


    but what, not even the smallest nod of appreciation of the other great baroque masters, Telemann, Albinoni and Corelli?….
     
    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?

    You may not associate it with Albinoni but I’m sure you must have listened to his master piece Adagio in G Minor many times:

    Sublime.

    As for your thoughts above on what causes one to like some music and not some other, I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it. All I can say is that it sounds too exotic to my ears. I may have mentioned this in the past but perhaps it didn’t help that during one of my trips to Morocco I made a journey in a collective taxi where they played that kind of music non-stop at high volume all trip long. I remember Greasy expressing a similar impression about Middle Eastern music in general.

    However, I did enjoy the beautiful rendition of “Lama Bada Yatathana” by Talia Lahoud that you recommended. I listen to it from time to time. There were also moments during a concert by an Algerian orchestra that you posted (don’t remember the name but I think it has some Spanish word in it) that I did like. But all things considered, my favorite Egyptian song is still this one:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Mikel


    I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it.
     
    Well this is my chief disappointment in life. I have failed to convince the denizens of Karlinstan to appreciate Arabic art music. It is a failure I will carry with me for the rest of my life. But I will never give up trying!

    The Spanish sounding concert you are referring to is probably the Algerian “El Gusto Orchestra”.

    https://youtu.be/u4EqnD9dx7o

    I figured they were mostly likely to appeal to Western ears. Hard not to like their good natured music. The El Gusto Orchestra was made up of veteran Algerian Muslim and Jewish musicians, most of them above the age of 75. They were reunited by a 22-year old Algerian girl who saw a 50-year old photograph of the group in a random shop she entered in Casbah. She spent two years searching for all the members; most of whom were retired from music long ago. The NYT wrote an article on this orchestra here: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/arts/music/algerian-chaabi-musicians-reunite-in-the-band-el-gusto.html

    The genre of Algerian Chaabi music is generally high spirited in character. I love it dearly even though as I mentioned I’m temperamentally inclined to reserved melodies. Maurice El-Medioni is my favorite Algerian composer; though his music is a slight Judaic alteration of the Chaabi scale. Right now I’m listening to this tune “Ana Loulia” which originally was composed for Algerian Jewish singer Lily Monty; but performed here by a Maghrebi-Spanish group:

    https://youtu.be/Es6RLy4RQ5I

    I’m a strong believer in expanding ones musical horizons. I personally have benefited greatly from exploring Greek, Slavic, Persian, Turkish, Afghan, Japanese music; none of which I grew up with or were accustomed to listening to. It took me a full year to accommodate myself to the initially strange modalities of Western classical music; but the fruits of my efforts have been immense. That’s why I make it my mission to get others to listen to world music. I have introduced some Japanese and Russian songs to my Arab friends; but they too recoiled from the strangeness of the exotic tunes. So it is an uphill task.

    Perhaps you will enjoy this guitar-centric tune from Afghanistan. The lyrics are based on the poetry of classical Persian poet Hafez:

    https://youtu.be/QwcdrhlQDwQ

    Credit to RSDB for introducing me to this refined Afghan singer a while back on a Sailer thread.

    Replies: @Mikel

  941. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev's is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.
     
    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is "Contra-Points." He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.

    This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?

    And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.

    And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.

    There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I'd also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.

    https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @Coconuts

    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.

    It basically destroyed him. His audience hasn’t followed him off the platform.

    Many others have been cancelled, or demonetized, or hidden from suggestions, or have had their payment services like Paypal cancelled. Plus, the system has been reworked to make it less organic. They ditched response videos a long time ago. Now, it is heavily about promotion and what they want to feed you. At one time, you couldn’t be a right-winger and have autoplay on and not have JBP videos automatically play, predictably without fail.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.
     
    As far as I'm concerned, Stefan Molyneux is a literal honorary angel. You'll get no antipathy towards him from me.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.
     
    While ideas like Molyneux's have had it much harder than those like Contrapoints', there are a lot of other ideas out there that failed to succeed and didn't have it hard.

    Furthermore, the fact is that Molyneux is basically one of a kind, while Contrapoints is one of many. Molyneux was therefore a huge fish in a small pond, but Contrapoints is one of many big fish in an ocean.

    And my argument is that the ocean's vastness is because the ideas are naturally appealing to very many, and that ignoring this fact, or blaming some conspiracy, is pathetic and cowardly. It also means that you never learn from the ideas of those you oppose because you never have to see the value in them, which is just totally self-defeating.

    Replies: @songbird

  942. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @AP
    @Wokechoke


    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US
     
    Indeed, if Ukraine loses and Russia later attacks the Baltics and Poland there is a chance for the draft. That’s why Zelensky is using the West to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs, in order to defeat Russia and prevent Russia from further misadventures in Europe that would trigger Article 5.

    Of course, the odds of Russia attacking NATO members after taking Ukraine are pretty low (Ukraine wanted to join NATO in order to prevent such an attack). Though Russia had been demanding that NATO leave Poland and the Baltics, and quickly seizing one of the Baltic republics might be seen as a test case to see if NATO breaks (would a MAGA administration risk any American lives for Talinn?). People like Beckow are whining about “Russian rights” over there. So the odds are not zero.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, you’re right. The same people would be whining about Russian rights. The same people would be decalring that it is not in their interests to help the Baltics. The same people would be ominously talking up nuclear annihilation. The same people would be eulogising Russian military prowess. The same people would be saying Putin was provoked. The same people would be blaming America. The same people would be demonising local resistance. The same people would be disingenuously claiming that the locals were the ones that stopped negotiations.

    And yet the same people say it would never happen. Even though they are the same people, minus those who could admit being wrong and change their mind, who argued that Russia would not invade Ukraine.

    Here is a classic Tweet from one of these same people the day Russia invaded, just after he said they’d never do it and it was all American lies:

    [MORE]

    • Agree: AP
  943. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.

    It basically destroyed him. His audience hasn't followed him off the platform.

    Many others have been cancelled, or demonetized, or hidden from suggestions, or have had their payment services like Paypal cancelled. Plus, the system has been reworked to make it less organic. They ditched response videos a long time ago. Now, it is heavily about promotion and what they want to feed you. At one time, you couldn't be a right-winger and have autoplay on and not have JBP videos automatically play, predictably without fail.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.

    As far as I’m concerned, Stefan Molyneux is a literal honorary angel. You’ll get no antipathy towards him from me.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.

    While ideas like Molyneux’s have had it much harder than those like Contrapoints’, there are a lot of other ideas out there that failed to succeed and didn’t have it hard.

    Furthermore, the fact is that Molyneux is basically one of a kind, while Contrapoints is one of many. Molyneux was therefore a huge fish in a small pond, but Contrapoints is one of many big fish in an ocean.

    And my argument is that the ocean’s vastness is because the ideas are naturally appealing to very many, and that ignoring this fact, or blaming some conspiracy, is pathetic and cowardly. It also means that you never learn from the ideas of those you oppose because you never have to see the value in them, which is just totally self-defeating.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A lot of people seem to have identified Molyneux as a grifter.

    Not sure what exactly is behind it, but I do remember someone playing a funny clip where he castigated some poor guy for a $3 superchat and made a tirade against him.

    Of course, I have never been a youtube star, but I feel like that was a PR mistake. You probably want to rely on your whales, while not acting like you are too big to receive small donations.

  944. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US. Not probably but very likely that US troops will be in direct conflict with Russia. Also, I saw this as a threat. If he were an ethnic Ukie I would take the more innocent explanation but there's definitely an aspect to it.

    Why isn't Zelenskyy attempting to draft in Israelis openly into the Donbass for example? Why Anglos and such? Most Israeli men have a few years of service and know how to fight Arabs with Soviet gear? he has called Putin a Fascisto-Nazi hasn't he?

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @Greasy William

    If rumours about Palestinian recruitment into Donbas will be confirmed, more Israelis might come “voluntarily” too, lol

    Palestinians living in sprawling refugee camps in Lebanon have been offered $350 to fight for Russia in Ukraine, according to The Jerusalem Post, which cited a Lebanese government security source and reporting from independent news agency The Media Line.

    Recruits are also being given a monthly stipend and compensation for their families in exchange for agreeing to fight on Russia’s behalf, The Jerusalem Post reported.

    The majority of Palestinians being deployed to Ukraine come from the largest Palestinian refugee camp in southern Lebanon, Ein El Hilweh Camp, the report said. Ein El Hilweh has a population of about 80,000 people, according to a 2017 UN estimate.

    It’s not clear how many Palestinians have been recruited to date, but the publication reported that about 300 had already completed training and been deployed. Another 100 or so from the camp are being prepared for deployment, the newspaper said.

    Recruits from Ein El Hilweh are predominantly members of Fatah, a political party led by Mahmoud Abbas, the president of the Palestinian Authority, per The Jerusalem Post. Others belong to another major Palestinian political party, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the newspaper said.

    The majority of those being recruited do not have proper registration with Lebanese authorities, making it easier for them to travel and harder for the government to track them, per The Jerusalem Post.

    The Internal Security Forces of Lebanon did not immediately respond to Insider’s request for comment.

    It’s not clear who’s behind the recruitment drive, with The Jerusalem Post suggesting it could be in coordination with activists associated with the Palestinian Embassy in Lebanon, or the Shia Islamist militant group Hezbollah.

    Insider was unable to independently verify these claims.

    But it is known that Russia has previously recruited Syrian volunteers to fight in Ukraine. Russian mercenary group Wagner has also recruited fighters internationally, according to Voice of America News.

    Riad Kahwaji, a Dubai-based security analyst, told The Media Line that Russia recruiting Palestinian refugees to fight in Ukraine wouldn’t be surprising.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/palestine-refugees-paid-350-fight-for-russia-in-ukraine-report-2023-3?

  945. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    #1 suspect is these fellows:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Mega_Group

    (not jolly good.)

    Replies: @QCIC

    Thanks.

    I imagine these jerks are several levels below the top dogs. That might be the right level to implement something like the Ukraine mess. I wonder if they hang out with Kolomoisky?

  946. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev's is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.
     
    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is "Contra-Points." He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.

    This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?

    And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.

    And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.

    There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I'd also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.

    https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @Coconuts

    Seems like an ad for trannies.

    From what little I have seen of both, Ann Coulter is more convincing.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    You wish you could even be within breathing distance of Ann Coulter.

    Replies: @QCIC

  947. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    The Western establishments have also invested so much in the project
     
    Don’t be fooled by the propaganda for the sheeple, designed for those with the attention span of a guppy. The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext. Both aims only make sense while the beneficiaries are alive. Gods don’t take bribes.

    Replies: @German_reader, @War Observer

    1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine;
    2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.

    Reminds me of Russia, after all Wagner CEO did make his name by laundering money for the St. Petersburg mob back in the 00s. One has to wonder how much money the Russian elites have laundered and embezzeled through this war? I’m guessing quite a lot. After all, what happened to all that money poured into the T-14 Armata program or the Su-57 program?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @War Observer


    After all, what happened to all that money poured into the T-14 Armata program or the Su-57 program?
     
    In fact, there are a few Armata tanks in the war zone in Donbass, and Su-57 was tested in Syria.

    One has to wonder how much money the Russian elites have laundered and embezzeled through this war? I’m guessing quite a lot.
     
    I am sure some money was embezzled. But to get the sense of perspective, let’s remember that just the open annual US war budget (the money that went directly to Pentagon) is greater than the whole annual budget of the RF. So, even if we assume that the levels of embezzlement are equal, at least $30 are stolen in the US for every $ stolen in Russia. Considering ridiculous price tags of American weaponry, it might be $100 or more. No wonder MIC has the resources to buy the whole political and media circus in the US.
  948. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Seems like an ad for trannies.

    From what little I have seen of both, Ann Coulter is more convincing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You wish you could even be within breathing distance of Ann Coulter.

    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Ha, You got that wrong!

    My comment may be unfair to Coulter, but I think she has a very masculine look. She has written some wise things which is mostly what I care about. I'm not a 'conservative' so I don't keep up with her.

    On the other hand, with the other guy I'm at the stage of Full Tranny Fatigue (FTF).

  949. @German_reader
    @songbird


    US is actually on track, if trendlines continue, to be the first developed country where the majority of murders remain uncleared.
     
    Pretty stark when one considers the technological advances in forensics.
    Recently saw some tweets claiming that South Africa is finally descending into total collapse, the level of infrastructural decay (due not just to incompetence and lack of investment, but also to sabotage and issues like organized copper theft) seems to be unbelievable.
    Now South Africa of course has its own specific history. But who knows if something like that isn't our own future at least in the long term.

    Replies: @songbird

    Recently saw some tweets claiming that South Africa is finally descending into total collapse, the level of infrastructural decay (due not just to incompetence and lack of investment, but also to sabotage and issues like organized copper theft) seems to be unbelievable.

    I’ve seen that too. Of course, this rhetoric has been around for a while, but it seems like inevitably the consequences are going to add up.

    Supposedly, things are a little better on the Western Cape. Not many potholes (partly weather-related?), and jobs are actually still being added to the economy. But I think there might be water issues in urban areas.

    Pretty interesting story, overall, and I really wonder where things are going. The infrastructure of South Africa seems like it was always something noted as remarkable and out of place by travelers, and it doesn’t seem like the new political system is capable of maintaining it. I understand that the same thing happened with Rhodesia, but it was a lot more rural, and so without the same potential for spectacular failures.

    The million dollar question is: are they capable of any kind of reforms to recover function? South Africa is probably big enough that they could open up special economic or political zones, if they wanted to.

  950. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    The Western establishment has two goals in this conflict: 1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine; 2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.
     
    You can't really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones. At a minimum, punishing Russia for the invasion and preventing her from achieving the more extreme goals like annexation of the entire Black Sea coast or other major additional areas. At a maximum, restoring Ukraine in its 1991 borders and permanently destroying Russia as a great power (which of course would be a very risky thing to attempt).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @War Observer

    You can’t really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones.

    Wrong Westoid, your government is fleecing you, protest to demand they stop sending inferior weapons in negligible quantities which are mostly destroyed en route by the Mighty Russian Air Force and in any case sold on the black market by corrupt Ukrainians. This is prolonging the war!

    In other news, the Russians have lost more men in a year than they had between 1946 and 2021. Rusorez will continue until Shoigu has embezzled enough money for a new yacht.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @War Observer

    It's about time, chicks dig scars!

  951. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US. Not probably but very likely that US troops will be in direct conflict with Russia. Also, I saw this as a threat. If he were an ethnic Ukie I would take the more innocent explanation but there's definitely an aspect to it.

    Why isn't Zelenskyy attempting to draft in Israelis openly into the Donbass for example? Why Anglos and such? Most Israeli men have a few years of service and know how to fight Arabs with Soviet gear? he has called Putin a Fascisto-Nazi hasn't he?

    Replies: @AP, @sudden death, @Greasy William

    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US

    Americans would refuse to fight. The US govt would never do such thing.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Are you kidding?

    After they collapse the economy and bring out digital currency most people will work for the government in some form or another.

    All kinds of police and quasi-military functions will be expanded. There will be many volunteers ready to pull on their jackboots. For the rest they will make an offer: join the military and you get food, otherwise no food. So these people will have to chose between food or their your soul. Most are soulless at this point, so they will take the free food.

  952. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    The fact that they keep coming leads me to two possibilities. One is that it is impossible for the regime to self-moderate. Bioleninism means that they can’t crackdown on the most undesirable elements because other groups see a crackdown on Somalis as being preparatory as a crackdown on them, and some of them are probably quite willing to implode the West, and then move on, after making their money.
     
    I would also think it is more this one. Addressing the Somalian issue would be against the spirit of the regime at the moment, and the implications would be too problematic.

    Replies: @songbird

    I suspect that a solution to the Somali issue might be the easiest of all, too. Recognize Somaliland in return for resettling Somalis in the West back there.

    Give them some amount of aid, to accomplish this, but not as institutionalized welfare, but as diminishing payments, or other investments.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    I suspect that a solution to the Somali issue might be the easiest of all, too. Recognize Somaliland in return for resettling Somalis in the West back there.
     
    It is one of the more obvious ones. But it's maybe for that reason it would highlight the general idea/reasoning behind it, and this is something that at the moment can't be discussed. This could be one reason there will be some moves to curtail Woke, especially outside the US, as it draws too much attention to issues of group identity and not always in the right way for the current regime.
  953. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't think a dour, straight Slav can adequately replace a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role. It's like trying to replace Freddy Mercury as frontman of Queen with Brian May.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role.

    According to him, Zhirinovsky was only 50% Jewish (according to Orthodox Jews he was not Jewish at all): he used to say “my mother was a Russian, and my father a lawyer”.

  954. @War Observer
    @AnonfromTN


    1) directing even more money to weapons manufacturers under the pretext of aid to Ukraine;
    2) creating a massive money-laundering scheme under the same pretext.
     
    Reminds me of Russia, after all Wagner CEO did make his name by laundering money for the St. Petersburg mob back in the 00s. One has to wonder how much money the Russian elites have laundered and embezzeled through this war? I'm guessing quite a lot. After all, what happened to all that money poured into the T-14 Armata program or the Su-57 program?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    After all, what happened to all that money poured into the T-14 Armata program or the Su-57 program?

    In fact, there are a few Armata tanks in the war zone in Donbass, and Su-57 was tested in Syria.

    One has to wonder how much money the Russian elites have laundered and embezzeled through this war? I’m guessing quite a lot.

    I am sure some money was embezzled. But to get the sense of perspective, let’s remember that just the open annual US war budget (the money that went directly to Pentagon) is greater than the whole annual budget of the RF. So, even if we assume that the levels of embezzlement are equal, at least $30 are stolen in the US for every $ stolen in Russia. Considering ridiculous price tags of American weaponry, it might be $100 or more. No wonder MIC has the resources to buy the whole political and media circus in the US.

  955. @Mikel
    @Yahya


    I’m not too familiar with the composers you mentioned. Do you have recommendations; which are your favorite pieces?
     
    You may not associate it with Albinoni but I'm sure you must have listened to his master piece Adagio in G Minor many times:

    https://youtu.be/XMbvcp480Y4

    Sublime.

    As for your thoughts above on what causes one to like some music and not some other, I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it. All I can say is that it sounds too exotic to my ears. I may have mentioned this in the past but perhaps it didn't help that during one of my trips to Morocco I made a journey in a collective taxi where they played that kind of music non-stop at high volume all trip long. I remember Greasy expressing a similar impression about Middle Eastern music in general.

    However, I did enjoy the beautiful rendition of "Lama Bada Yatathana" by Talia Lahoud that you recommended. I listen to it from time to time. There were also moments during a concert by an Algerian orchestra that you posted (don't remember the name but I think it has some Spanish word in it) that I did like. But all things considered, my favorite Egyptian song is still this one:



    https://youtu.be/Cv6tuzHUuuk

    Replies: @Yahya

    I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it.

    Well this is my chief disappointment in life. I have failed to convince the denizens of Karlinstan to appreciate Arabic art music. It is a failure I will carry with me for the rest of my life. But I will never give up trying!

    The Spanish sounding concert you are referring to is probably the Algerian “El Gusto Orchestra”.

    I figured they were mostly likely to appeal to Western ears. Hard not to like their good natured music. The El Gusto Orchestra was made up of veteran Algerian Muslim and Jewish musicians, most of them above the age of 75. They were reunited by a 22-year old Algerian girl who saw a 50-year old photograph of the group in a random shop she entered in Casbah. She spent two years searching for all the members; most of whom were retired from music long ago. The NYT wrote an article on this orchestra here: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/arts/music/algerian-chaabi-musicians-reunite-in-the-band-el-gusto.html

    The genre of Algerian Chaabi music is generally high spirited in character. I love it dearly even though as I mentioned I’m temperamentally inclined to reserved melodies. Maurice El-Medioni is my favorite Algerian composer; though his music is a slight Judaic alteration of the Chaabi scale. Right now I’m listening to this tune “Ana Loulia” which originally was composed for Algerian Jewish singer Lily Monty; but performed here by a Maghrebi-Spanish group:

    I’m a strong believer in expanding ones musical horizons. I personally have benefited greatly from exploring Greek, Slavic, Persian, Turkish, Afghan, Japanese music; none of which I grew up with or were accustomed to listening to. It took me a full year to accommodate myself to the initially strange modalities of Western classical music; but the fruits of my efforts have been immense. That’s why I make it my mission to get others to listen to world music. I have introduced some Japanese and Russian songs to my Arab friends; but they too recoiled from the strangeness of the exotic tunes. So it is an uphill task.

    Perhaps you will enjoy this guitar-centric tune from Afghanistan. The lyrics are based on the poetry of classical Persian poet Hafez:

    Credit to RSDB for introducing me to this refined Afghan singer a while back on a Sailer thread.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Yahya


    The Spanish sounding concert you are referring to is probably the Algerian “El Gusto Orchestra”.
     
    Yes, that's the one. I don't think the music sounds Spanish (there's some exotic instrument there, probably a string one, that sets the sound apart from the typical European ones) but I liked the combination of the bass with the other instruments in the piece that you linked, as well as the general rhythm. The name of the group sounds very Spanish though.


    It took me a full year to accommodate myself to the initially strange modalities of Western classical music
     
    The music you grew up listening to is undoubtedly a big factor of the equation wrt musical tastes, I see that clearly with the people around me. But there's more to it than that. I met a Belarussian guy who kept listening to Cumbia music all the time (a genre that he couldn't have possibly grown up listening to) because, he said, it made him feel happy. By contrast, Cumbia makes me feel sad and upset. Likewise, a Spanish friend of mine loves Salsa but the music itself has the same depressing effect on me as Cumbia, although seeing it danced is much more pleasing. Incidentally, her former Spanish (Catalan) girlfriend felt exactly like me. She liked Salsa dance but found the music sad. So there must be some additional factors on top of familiarity that determine musical tastes.

    Perhaps you will enjoy this guitar-centric tune from Afghanistan.
     
    Nice song and very good voice but I find Talia more appealing.
  956. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Abrams would have serious maintenance issues in Europe, the maintenance is set up very well for the Leopards in Poland, but not for Abrams.
     
    I don't buy that tbh. imo it's a pretext, the US just doesn't want to send those tanks for political reasons (and as I wrote above it might even be the correct decision, since the kind of offensive against Crimea the Ukrainian military has been talking about could lead to potentially incalculable risks).
    The issue with the Leopards is that their numbers only sound impressive on paper, but in reality most of those aren't available for various reasons and Ukraine probably won't get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen. I don't claim to understand the situation fully, but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games, where the military situation in Ukraine wasn't the most important factor.

    Patrushev, who told them that Russia has military parity with the US now so can act more boldly.

     

    If true, that's been shown to be rather delusional.
    It seems somewhat dubious to me, but on the other hand, given all the hype about Russian Wunderwaffen one has read here and in other places on the net over the years (and which some Western right-wingers still seem to believe), maybe Putin and his circle started believing their own propaganda.

    even with a booster?
     
    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I've ever had, but still unpleasant.
    But of course that's just a minor inconvenience...I don't want to imagine how people who've lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons

    What reason? Are you thinking the US want allies to put more pressure on Germany? I know little about tanks, but that’s what a seasoned Ukrainian military officer said, that Abrams would be harder to maintain (although I’m sure he wouldn’t reject them if given a chance, to put it mildly).

    Ukraine probably won’t get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen.

    Maybe, but some Leopards are arriving, in small numbers, yes. And they will get the old Polish tank. It will be visible in the nearest future how many they’ll get.

    but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games

    Those discussions were very unfortunate, and what is even worse is that, in the age of Twitter and “public diplomacy”, a lot of them happened out in the open. Weapons discussions normally should not be disclosed. But that was a big part of it, because the European public demanded a lot so, paradoxically, it came out to Ukraine’s advantage. There was a lot of stress and a very high level of coordination needed with so many countries involved so that can be an excuse.

    I think the US, because they’ve already provided so much, wanted to also act like a coordinator for others to pitch in and provide on their side. Frankly, I’m not happy with any of these large countries, because they were all signatories to the Budapest memorandum. But in this context Russia & even China are much worse than the US (vis a vis Ukraine & E.Europe).

    Btw, you might find this interesting: today a somewhat mysterious political ad appeared in Russia, from what looks like some kind of a “peace party” within Kremlin urging to withdraw troops back to the lines of Feb 23. It called the ongoing “operation” a trap for Russia, and that Russia has completed the original goal of “eliminating the military threat from Ukraine” and that this “threat will now be gone for many years”. It means some kind of a peace fraction has appeared in the Russian government. They are realizing how bad they are doing and they are looking for a way out. But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this…

    [MORE]

    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I’ve ever had, but still unpleasant.

    The risk / benefit calculation is very questionable. I only got it for travel even though I really didn’t want to (also, there was peer pressure). I’m not going to get any more boosters. I felt weird symptoms long after that, the worse of it was a strange type of fatigue, which luckily seems to be gone now. I’m more worried about how it can affect the younger ones.

    imagine how people who’ve lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.

    It’s horrible. To experience such a huge loss for a trivial reason like that. It’s almost as bad as all those crazy, random Somali stabbings. Those are insane.

    But for pandemic, it’s not just the dead, but also the countless families that suffered because of the lockdown, job loss, stress, etc. Also, children having had to wear a mask for months 6 hours a day at school was really heart wrenching.

    What worries me re: China, is just how fast China is appearing everywhere. For Europe it’s a particularly sensitive issue, I believe, because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there… how will Europe have its own undisturbed space? The EEs are kind of in a periphery so they will not be China’s main focus of interest (mostly just for logistics and for food), however, being in the periphery also makes them more vulnerable for political (incl. geopolitical) and economic exploitation due to the lack of a strong institutional base and strong local finances.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons. Hard to pretend you are not at war when you are providing battlefield tanks.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    What reason?
     
    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis (probably misleading analogy, it would be worse). Which would actually be a positive sign imo, since it would indicate that at least some people in Biden's administration have retained some risk awareness.
    Maybe there are also other more cynical considerations, I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts. iirc Neue Zürcher Zeitung speculated there also could be arms industry interests behind it (Germany's run-down arms industry won't be able to easily replace Leopards NATO members send, so they might buy US tanks as replacements instead). But I'm not sure about that, maybe such ideas are too paranoid :-)

    But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this…
     
    It's not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.
    More generally that's the problem with wars, easy to get into, much harder to get out of.

    because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there… how will Europe have its own undisturbed space?
     
    We won't. Europe's future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.

    Replies: @LatW

  957. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
     
    My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev's is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.

    Can you give some examples?
    Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
    Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.
     
    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is "Contra-Points." He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.

    This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?

    And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.

    And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.

    There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I'd also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.

    https://youtu.be/aPhrTOg1RUk

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @Coconuts

    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.

    Organic might be a good choice of word. I would agree that parts of this are an organic movement in a similar way to many influential and transformative social movements of the past. (I would wonder about race issues outside of the US, I suspect this is different.)

    There are interesting questions about the extent to which its hegemony is inevitable and whether there are any alternatives. The reasons right-wingers and others oppose it are probably rooted in deeply held differences in values as much as anything.

    Opposition has been never gone away, I looked at Unherd yesterday and saw this as the lead article:

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/who-will-stand-against-progress/

    Then today, it looks like parts of the British establishment are becoming aware of issues with Woke:

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-death-of-historical-truth/

    While the movement in favour is organic, am not so sure about the absence of a counter-movement. I think the legal framework, social media companies and so on are restraining this, at least in countries where there is a combination of robust anti-hate laws and pro-diversity/identity regulations.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can't help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.

    As for establishment shutting down the woke, I am sure they will. The excesses of the woke will make this happen, but the direction won't be so much backward as deleting the more extreme proposals and moving on with the best.

    E.g trans kids is going, even if acceptance of non-adherence to sexual stereotypes will stay. And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.

    My romantic other went to a fancy high school in Russia in the 2010s. They recently described to me how the students put on a performance on "minorities day" and that particular one was to celebrate Jews. It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn't something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  958. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...They wanted political (and probably economic) control over all of Ukraine.
     
    They wanted influence and profits. So does EU, US, China, Poland, Turkey...who do you think controls Kiev now? The vague accusations of the other evil side of wanting what you want, what everyone always wants is idiocy. If you don't see it you are so deep into the narcissistic crap of "we good, they bad" and nobody can help you.

    Some of the statements on their propaganda channels are much, much more crazier than Putin’
     
    Some of the statements on the Western-Ukie propaganda channels are even crazier. So what? I am for an absolute freedom of speech - if a nutcase in Moscow, London, Kiev or Warsaw wants to vent and hallucinate, what harm is to me? None of that matters - it is just the way tribes always provoke each other.

    chernozem they invaded, is not theirs, it’s basically stealing
     
    Right. US steals, UK steals, and now, the horror! Russia is stealing. How can that be, we all know that nobody ever took others' land - only Russia! I have been counting on you being sane, are you?

    Ukrainians showed to be the most manly people on Earth.
     
    When you are dead or maimed you are not manly, you are gone. Watch the emasculated Westerners giggle about how incredibly stupid these Ukies are - all the Ukie women that will be left at the mercy of the less manly Westerners, who does that? What is the point of dying so others can benefit? You are really 'showing' them, haha...

    Replies: @LatW

    They wanted influence and profits.

    They wanted too much political influence (and, yes, financial, economic, too). At the expense of Ukraine, other neighbors (they already had it good which they do not realize, everyone spoke Russian, they got questionable residence permits, etc). Nobody on the planet gives such influence willingly, without getting something in return. You can exchange some sovereignty for real benefits (like access to markets, military protection and cooperation, funding for certain programs, et al), but Russia basically wants her neighbors to be totally neutered, compromise their own culture and history, and be the carriers of their culture for free.

    So does EU, US, China, Poland, Turkey…who do you think controls Kiev now?

    US & China, yes, but even they do not meddle to that extent. The US does not control Kyiv fully, that’s a propaganda statement. In the future, the State Department will be frustrated with Kyiv, since they will chart their own course (even within the Atlantic structures) and there will not be much to be done against it because the Ukes fought for Europe. They’re the European legionaries now and will get special status for that.

  959. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    You wish you could even be within breathing distance of Ann Coulter.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Ha, You got that wrong!

    My comment may be unfair to Coulter, but I think she has a very masculine look. She has written some wise things which is mostly what I care about. I’m not a ‘conservative’ so I don’t keep up with her.

    On the other hand, with the other guy I’m at the stage of Full Tranny Fatigue (FTF).

  960. @War Observer
    @German_reader


    You can’t really believe those are the primary reasons instead of geopolitical ones.
     
    Wrong Westoid, your government is fleecing you, protest to demand they stop sending inferior weapons in negligible quantities which are mostly destroyed en route by the Mighty Russian Air Force and in any case sold on the black market by corrupt Ukrainians. This is prolonging the war!

    In other news, the Russians have lost more men in a year than they had between 1946 and 2021. Rusorez will continue until Shoigu has embezzled enough money for a new yacht.

    https://i.ibb.co/x2pn8wh/230227-Jones-Table1.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

    It’s about time, chicks dig scars!

  961. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke


    There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US
     
    Americans would refuse to fight. The US govt would never do such thing.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Are you kidding?

    After they collapse the economy and bring out digital currency most people will work for the government in some form or another.

    All kinds of police and quasi-military functions will be expanded. There will be many volunteers ready to pull on their jackboots. For the rest they will make an offer: join the military and you get food, otherwise no food. So these people will have to chose between food or their your soul. Most are soulless at this point, so they will take the free food.

  962. @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons
     
    What reason? Are you thinking the US want allies to put more pressure on Germany? I know little about tanks, but that's what a seasoned Ukrainian military officer said, that Abrams would be harder to maintain (although I'm sure he wouldn't reject them if given a chance, to put it mildly).

    Ukraine probably won’t get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen.
     
    Maybe, but some Leopards are arriving, in small numbers, yes. And they will get the old Polish tank. It will be visible in the nearest future how many they'll get.

    but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games

     

    Those discussions were very unfortunate, and what is even worse is that, in the age of Twitter and "public diplomacy", a lot of them happened out in the open. Weapons discussions normally should not be disclosed. But that was a big part of it, because the European public demanded a lot so, paradoxically, it came out to Ukraine's advantage. There was a lot of stress and a very high level of coordination needed with so many countries involved so that can be an excuse.

    I think the US, because they've already provided so much, wanted to also act like a coordinator for others to pitch in and provide on their side. Frankly, I'm not happy with any of these large countries, because they were all signatories to the Budapest memorandum. But in this context Russia & even China are much worse than the US (vis a vis Ukraine & E.Europe).

    Btw, you might find this interesting: today a somewhat mysterious political ad appeared in Russia, from what looks like some kind of a "peace party" within Kremlin urging to withdraw troops back to the lines of Feb 23. It called the ongoing "operation" a trap for Russia, and that Russia has completed the original goal of "eliminating the military threat from Ukraine" and that this "threat will now be gone for many years". It means some kind of a peace fraction has appeared in the Russian government. They are realizing how bad they are doing and they are looking for a way out. But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this...

    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I’ve ever had, but still unpleasant.
     
    The risk / benefit calculation is very questionable. I only got it for travel even though I really didn't want to (also, there was peer pressure). I'm not going to get any more boosters. I felt weird symptoms long after that, the worse of it was a strange type of fatigue, which luckily seems to be gone now. I'm more worried about how it can affect the younger ones.

    imagine how people who’ve lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.
     
    It's horrible. To experience such a huge loss for a trivial reason like that. It's almost as bad as all those crazy, random Somali stabbings. Those are insane.

    But for pandemic, it's not just the dead, but also the countless families that suffered because of the lockdown, job loss, stress, etc. Also, children having had to wear a mask for months 6 hours a day at school was really heart wrenching.

    What worries me re: China, is just how fast China is appearing everywhere. For Europe it's a particularly sensitive issue, I believe, because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there... how will Europe have its own undisturbed space? The EEs are kind of in a periphery so they will not be China's main focus of interest (mostly just for logistics and for food), however, being in the periphery also makes them more vulnerable for political (incl. geopolitical) and economic exploitation due to the lack of a strong institutional base and strong local finances.

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader

    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons. Hard to pretend you are not at war when you are providing battlefield tanks.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons.
     
    The triad that the UA military is preparing right now, when it's complete, could in fact be considered "offensive" already, because Bradleys can be used as a supplemental vehicle for tanks.

    Replies: @songbird

  963. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.
     
    Organic might be a good choice of word. I would agree that parts of this are an organic movement in a similar way to many influential and transformative social movements of the past. (I would wonder about race issues outside of the US, I suspect this is different.)

    There are interesting questions about the extent to which its hegemony is inevitable and whether there are any alternatives. The reasons right-wingers and others oppose it are probably rooted in deeply held differences in values as much as anything.

    Opposition has been never gone away, I looked at Unherd yesterday and saw this as the lead article:

    https://unherd.com/2023/02/who-will-stand-against-progress/

    Then today, it looks like parts of the British establishment are becoming aware of issues with Woke:

    https://unherd.com/2023/03/the-death-of-historical-truth/

    While the movement in favour is organic, am not so sure about the absence of a counter-movement. I think the legal framework, social media companies and so on are restraining this, at least in countries where there is a combination of robust anti-hate laws and pro-diversity/identity regulations.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.

    As for establishment shutting down the woke, I am sure they will. The excesses of the woke will make this happen, but the direction won’t be so much backward as deleting the more extreme proposals and moving on with the best.

    E.g trans kids is going, even if acceptance of non-adherence to sexual stereotypes will stay. And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.

    My romantic other went to a fancy high school in Russia in the 2010s. They recently described to me how the students put on a performance on “minorities day” and that particular one was to celebrate Jews. It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
     
    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a 'meat space' political community. This is less the case now.

    And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
     
    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.

    It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
     
    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn't take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Triteleia Laxa

  964. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    It is funny but I think it misses a crucial point about "non-binary."

    Non-binary means nothing more than that you sometimes relate to things traditionally associated with the other sex, while also relating to some of the things associated with your own sex.

    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you're non-binary.

    In other words, it means absolutely everyone, as no one is such a ridiculous stereotype, and therefore it means nothing.

    So to rephrase:

    Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes.
    She says:
    - I am non binary...
    He wants to impress her and says:
    - Well, I identify as a person who drinks water, breathes air and sleeps regularly.

    Yes, I probably don't have a career as a professional comedian but everyone would benefit from understanding this. Stupid narcissistic teenager claims to special identity and, rather than freaking out, wise older person should basically just reply "you're normal", rather than playing into their frame and hyping up the extraordinariness of it. Basically "go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary."

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.

    Holy sh*t, do not scare me. I always thought of myself as purely straight (liking beautiful women doesn’t count, since everyone likes them, haha).

    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.
     
    That’s because it is. From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).

    I am a biologist, so here is a simple biological fact. Every one of those L, B, G, T, or whatever other letters they want to use, was conceived due to fusion of male sperm and female oocyte. The society that is 100% LGBT would die out in one generation (and good riddance, if you ask me).

    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  965. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t buy that tbh. imo it’s a pretext, the US just doesn’t want to send those tanks for political reasons
     
    What reason? Are you thinking the US want allies to put more pressure on Germany? I know little about tanks, but that's what a seasoned Ukrainian military officer said, that Abrams would be harder to maintain (although I'm sure he wouldn't reject them if given a chance, to put it mildly).

    Ukraine probably won’t get all that many of them. Maybe only a few dozen.
     
    Maybe, but some Leopards are arriving, in small numbers, yes. And they will get the old Polish tank. It will be visible in the nearest future how many they'll get.

    but to me it seems like all these debates about tank shipments involved a lot of sordid political games

     

    Those discussions were very unfortunate, and what is even worse is that, in the age of Twitter and "public diplomacy", a lot of them happened out in the open. Weapons discussions normally should not be disclosed. But that was a big part of it, because the European public demanded a lot so, paradoxically, it came out to Ukraine's advantage. There was a lot of stress and a very high level of coordination needed with so many countries involved so that can be an excuse.

    I think the US, because they've already provided so much, wanted to also act like a coordinator for others to pitch in and provide on their side. Frankly, I'm not happy with any of these large countries, because they were all signatories to the Budapest memorandum. But in this context Russia & even China are much worse than the US (vis a vis Ukraine & E.Europe).

    Btw, you might find this interesting: today a somewhat mysterious political ad appeared in Russia, from what looks like some kind of a "peace party" within Kremlin urging to withdraw troops back to the lines of Feb 23. It called the ongoing "operation" a trap for Russia, and that Russia has completed the original goal of "eliminating the military threat from Ukraine" and that this "threat will now be gone for many years". It means some kind of a peace fraction has appeared in the Russian government. They are realizing how bad they are doing and they are looking for a way out. But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this...

    Triple vaccinated (not going to get another shot, since the risk/benefit calculation seems rather questionable to me). Anyway, certainly not the worst illness I’ve ever had, but still unpleasant.
     
    The risk / benefit calculation is very questionable. I only got it for travel even though I really didn't want to (also, there was peer pressure). I'm not going to get any more boosters. I felt weird symptoms long after that, the worse of it was a strange type of fatigue, which luckily seems to be gone now. I'm more worried about how it can affect the younger ones.

    imagine how people who’ve lost relatives during the pandemic or suffered serious health impairments feel about those revelations that it was probably all because of some absurdly dangerous experiment which should never have been allowed.
     
    It's horrible. To experience such a huge loss for a trivial reason like that. It's almost as bad as all those crazy, random Somali stabbings. Those are insane.

    But for pandemic, it's not just the dead, but also the countless families that suffered because of the lockdown, job loss, stress, etc. Also, children having had to wear a mask for months 6 hours a day at school was really heart wrenching.

    What worries me re: China, is just how fast China is appearing everywhere. For Europe it's a particularly sensitive issue, I believe, because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there... how will Europe have its own undisturbed space? The EEs are kind of in a periphery so they will not be China's main focus of interest (mostly just for logistics and for food), however, being in the periphery also makes them more vulnerable for political (incl. geopolitical) and economic exploitation due to the lack of a strong institutional base and strong local finances.

    Replies: @songbird, @German_reader

    What reason?

    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis (probably misleading analogy, it would be worse). Which would actually be a positive sign imo, since it would indicate that at least some people in Biden’s administration have retained some risk awareness.
    Maybe there are also other more cynical considerations, I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts. iirc Neue Zürcher Zeitung speculated there also could be arms industry interests behind it (Germany’s run-down arms industry won’t be able to easily replace Leopards NATO members send, so they might buy US tanks as replacements instead). But I’m not sure about that, maybe such ideas are too paranoid 🙂

    But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this…

    It’s not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.
    More generally that’s the problem with wars, easy to get into, much harder to get out of.

    because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there… how will Europe have its own undisturbed space?

    We won’t. Europe’s future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis
     
    Actually, that part is very frustrating for some Ukrainians. The whole "boiling the frog" slowly thing has been quite frustrating for them.

    But speaking of pure trust, what I found remarkable was that they trusted the Ukrainian secret services enough to send a US president to Ukraine - I think this is the only case where a US president has arrived in a country at war, where the US troops are not present simultaneously.


    I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts.
     
    Interesting, some people in Ukraine believe that Sullivan is very dovish on Russia. But of course that doesn't mean that he would be averse to lording it over Germany, if such circumstances presented themselves. But I think it's not fair to Germany, because everyone had let their guard down and not stocked enough weapons, of course, the US has the privilege of the largest MIC and most of the available supplies.

    It’s not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.
     
    This is true, that's why this ad is very telling. It might even be so that eventually some kind of a "peace party" emerges within the FSB and as soon as they find a substitute for Putin, they will eliminate him. I think people like Kadyrov might be sensing this (Kadyrov has gained a lot of weight recently and looks a bit gloomy, has not been showing up for his PR stunts as much as before, it might be stress and some medication he's taking, so he knows that once Putin goes, he will go, too).

    We won’t. Europe’s future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.
     
    This is very scary. Would the German businesses be ok with this though? Is it really in their interests that so much gets bought up by China or other global players? I wonder how they feel about this whole process, I always felt that they could be a group that could at least put their foot down, if needed.

    Replies: @German_reader

  966. @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.
     
    Holy sh*t, do not scare me. I always thought of myself as purely straight (liking beautiful women doesn't count, since everyone likes them, haha).

    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.

    That’s because it is. From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).

    I am a biologist, so here is a simple biological fact. Every one of those L, B, G, T, or whatever other letters they want to use, was conceived due to fusion of male sperm and female oocyte. The society that is 100% LGBT would die out in one generation (and good riddance, if you ask me).

    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN

    To clarify a point that some might find important. Any kind of sexual deviancy in and of itself is not a crime, just like schizophrenia is not a crime. Neither should be punished. But neither is normal.

    , @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.
     
    Haha, you have a fantastic sense of humor. Yes, I've noticed that other animals are way more sane than the human animal.

    From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).
     
    The thing is, a man who thinks he is Napoleon can strut around and be pretty much harmless (and maybe even a bit entertaining), while the whole tranny agenda is very deliberate, often entitled and has some real dangers for the youth.
  967. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.
     
    That’s because it is. From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).

    I am a biologist, so here is a simple biological fact. Every one of those L, B, G, T, or whatever other letters they want to use, was conceived due to fusion of male sperm and female oocyte. The society that is 100% LGBT would die out in one generation (and good riddance, if you ask me).

    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    To clarify a point that some might find important. Any kind of sexual deviancy in and of itself is not a crime, just like schizophrenia is not a crime. Neither should be punished. But neither is normal.

  968. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.
     
    That’s because it is. From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).

    I am a biologist, so here is a simple biological fact. Every one of those L, B, G, T, or whatever other letters they want to use, was conceived due to fusion of male sperm and female oocyte. The society that is 100% LGBT would die out in one generation (and good riddance, if you ask me).

    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    To summarize: mammals have two genders; humans have many mental disorders.

    Haha, you have a fantastic sense of humor. Yes, I’ve noticed that other animals are way more sane than the human animal.

    From my pov, a man who thinks that he is Napoleon, Julius Caesar, or a woman should be treated exactly the same (lunatic asylum, if you ask me).

    The thing is, a man who thinks he is Napoleon can strut around and be pretty much harmless (and maybe even a bit entertaining), while the whole tranny agenda is very deliberate, often entitled and has some real dangers for the youth.

  969. @songbird
    @LatW

    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons. Hard to pretend you are not at war when you are providing battlefield tanks.

    Replies: @LatW

    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons.

    The triad that the UA military is preparing right now, when it’s complete, could in fact be considered “offensive” already, because Bradleys can be used as a supplemental vehicle for tanks.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    For sure, there have been a lot of gray areas already.

    But nothing on the psychological level of tanks - the ultimate charismatic weapon of war - the thing that little boys draw when they are allowed, and which war simulation enthusiasts obsess over.

    I have remarked before that I suspect that one reason that African conflicts received so little attention is that most of them did not have the hardware to capture the imagination.

  970. @German_reader
    @LatW


    What reason?
     
    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis (probably misleading analogy, it would be worse). Which would actually be a positive sign imo, since it would indicate that at least some people in Biden's administration have retained some risk awareness.
    Maybe there are also other more cynical considerations, I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts. iirc Neue Zürcher Zeitung speculated there also could be arms industry interests behind it (Germany's run-down arms industry won't be able to easily replace Leopards NATO members send, so they might buy US tanks as replacements instead). But I'm not sure about that, maybe such ideas are too paranoid :-)

    But they have committed such crimes that it will be hard to wriggle out of this…
     
    It's not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.
    More generally that's the problem with wars, easy to get into, much harder to get out of.

    because Europe is already influenced by the presence of the US and Russia, and now to add China there… how will Europe have its own undisturbed space?
     
    We won't. Europe's future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.

    Replies: @LatW

    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis

    Actually, that part is very frustrating for some Ukrainians. The whole “boiling the frog” slowly thing has been quite frustrating for them.

    But speaking of pure trust, what I found remarkable was that they trusted the Ukrainian secret services enough to send a US president to Ukraine – I think this is the only case where a US president has arrived in a country at war, where the US troops are not present simultaneously.

    I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts.

    Interesting, some people in Ukraine believe that Sullivan is very dovish on Russia. But of course that doesn’t mean that he would be averse to lording it over Germany, if such circumstances presented themselves. But I think it’s not fair to Germany, because everyone had let their guard down and not stocked enough weapons, of course, the US has the privilege of the largest MIC and most of the available supplies.

    It’s not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.

    This is true, that’s why this ad is very telling. It might even be so that eventually some kind of a “peace party” emerges within the FSB and as soon as they find a substitute for Putin, they will eliminate him. I think people like Kadyrov might be sensing this (Kadyrov has gained a lot of weight recently and looks a bit gloomy, has not been showing up for his PR stunts as much as before, it might be stress and some medication he’s taking, so he knows that once Putin goes, he will go, too).

    We won’t. Europe’s future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.

    This is very scary. Would the German businesses be ok with this though? Is it really in their interests that so much gets bought up by China or other global players? I wonder how they feel about this whole process, I always felt that they could be a group that could at least put their foot down, if needed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    because everyone had let their guard down and not stocked enough weapons, of course
     
    The situation in Germany is really acute though, and not nearly enough has been done over the last year to remedy the situation, despite Scholz's announcements to the contrary. It's not even so much a matter of funding, there's apparently massive inefficiency and red tape in the procurements office of the Bundeswehr.
    The minister of defense just stated Germany would be essentially incapable of defense against a war of aggression...
    I mean, I'm not the most enthusiastic proponent of re-militarization (tbh Poland's plans strike me as overkill), but if you can't provide any credible deterrence at all, that's a problem.

    Would the German businesses be ok with this though?
     
    I expect many of them to re-locate to other countries (including China...) in coming years. It's not like there's an abundance of smart, pro-business policy here...
    The energy situation is especially disastrous. Due to the influence of the Greens Germany has embraced the fantasy of running an industrial economy on renewables, when none of the serious issues like energy storage have really been solved so far. It's not going to work.
    More generally, do you see any signs of successful European industrial policy? Regarding key future technologies like AI Europeans come up with ridiculous ideas like possibly being "regulators", no serious competition at all with the US or the Chinese. And the established industries that remain get the wrecking ball (e.g. see the EU commission's decision to ban new cars with internal combustion engines by 2035).
    Of course theoretically a lot should still be possible, but I don't see the serious will, too much complacency.
  971. @Yahya
    @Mikel


    I have tried to appreciate some of the Arab music that you have posted in these threads but I find it difficult to derive pleasure from it.
     
    Well this is my chief disappointment in life. I have failed to convince the denizens of Karlinstan to appreciate Arabic art music. It is a failure I will carry with me for the rest of my life. But I will never give up trying!

    The Spanish sounding concert you are referring to is probably the Algerian “El Gusto Orchestra”.

    https://youtu.be/u4EqnD9dx7o

    I figured they were mostly likely to appeal to Western ears. Hard not to like their good natured music. The El Gusto Orchestra was made up of veteran Algerian Muslim and Jewish musicians, most of them above the age of 75. They were reunited by a 22-year old Algerian girl who saw a 50-year old photograph of the group in a random shop she entered in Casbah. She spent two years searching for all the members; most of whom were retired from music long ago. The NYT wrote an article on this orchestra here: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/arts/music/algerian-chaabi-musicians-reunite-in-the-band-el-gusto.html

    The genre of Algerian Chaabi music is generally high spirited in character. I love it dearly even though as I mentioned I’m temperamentally inclined to reserved melodies. Maurice El-Medioni is my favorite Algerian composer; though his music is a slight Judaic alteration of the Chaabi scale. Right now I’m listening to this tune “Ana Loulia” which originally was composed for Algerian Jewish singer Lily Monty; but performed here by a Maghrebi-Spanish group:

    https://youtu.be/Es6RLy4RQ5I

    I’m a strong believer in expanding ones musical horizons. I personally have benefited greatly from exploring Greek, Slavic, Persian, Turkish, Afghan, Japanese music; none of which I grew up with or were accustomed to listening to. It took me a full year to accommodate myself to the initially strange modalities of Western classical music; but the fruits of my efforts have been immense. That’s why I make it my mission to get others to listen to world music. I have introduced some Japanese and Russian songs to my Arab friends; but they too recoiled from the strangeness of the exotic tunes. So it is an uphill task.

    Perhaps you will enjoy this guitar-centric tune from Afghanistan. The lyrics are based on the poetry of classical Persian poet Hafez:

    https://youtu.be/QwcdrhlQDwQ

    Credit to RSDB for introducing me to this refined Afghan singer a while back on a Sailer thread.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The Spanish sounding concert you are referring to is probably the Algerian “El Gusto Orchestra”.

    Yes, that’s the one. I don’t think the music sounds Spanish (there’s some exotic instrument there, probably a string one, that sets the sound apart from the typical European ones) but I liked the combination of the bass with the other instruments in the piece that you linked, as well as the general rhythm. The name of the group sounds very Spanish though.

    It took me a full year to accommodate myself to the initially strange modalities of Western classical music

    The music you grew up listening to is undoubtedly a big factor of the equation wrt musical tastes, I see that clearly with the people around me. But there’s more to it than that. I met a Belarussian guy who kept listening to Cumbia music all the time (a genre that he couldn’t have possibly grown up listening to) because, he said, it made him feel happy. By contrast, Cumbia makes me feel sad and upset. Likewise, a Spanish friend of mine loves Salsa but the music itself has the same depressing effect on me as Cumbia, although seeing it danced is much more pleasing. Incidentally, her former Spanish (Catalan) girlfriend felt exactly like me. She liked Salsa dance but found the music sad. So there must be some additional factors on top of familiarity that determine musical tastes.

    Perhaps you will enjoy this guitar-centric tune from Afghanistan.

    Nice song and very good voice but I find Talia more appealing.

  972. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Like not fully trusting the Ukrainians and thinking that an overly successful Ukrainian offensive (one that succeeds in threatening Crimea) could create something like the Cuban missile crisis
     
    Actually, that part is very frustrating for some Ukrainians. The whole "boiling the frog" slowly thing has been quite frustrating for them.

    But speaking of pure trust, what I found remarkable was that they trusted the Ukrainian secret services enough to send a US president to Ukraine - I think this is the only case where a US president has arrived in a country at war, where the US troops are not present simultaneously.


    I could imagine people like Sullivan enjoy the power flex of forcing Germany to send tanks while refusing to send theirs on transparent pretexts.
     
    Interesting, some people in Ukraine believe that Sullivan is very dovish on Russia. But of course that doesn't mean that he would be averse to lording it over Germany, if such circumstances presented themselves. But I think it's not fair to Germany, because everyone had let their guard down and not stocked enough weapons, of course, the US has the privilege of the largest MIC and most of the available supplies.

    It’s not just the crimes, with the annexations Putin essentially tied his own hands (or even those of a potential successor), makes any real peace agreement very hard to envision.
     
    This is true, that's why this ad is very telling. It might even be so that eventually some kind of a "peace party" emerges within the FSB and as soon as they find a substitute for Putin, they will eliminate him. I think people like Kadyrov might be sensing this (Kadyrov has gained a lot of weight recently and looks a bit gloomy, has not been showing up for his PR stunts as much as before, it might be stress and some medication he's taking, so he knows that once Putin goes, he will go, too).

    We won’t. Europe’s future is totally bleak imo, even the major states are more likely to be objects of outside powers than independent actors in their own right.
     
    This is very scary. Would the German businesses be ok with this though? Is it really in their interests that so much gets bought up by China or other global players? I wonder how they feel about this whole process, I always felt that they could be a group that could at least put their foot down, if needed.

    Replies: @German_reader

    because everyone had let their guard down and not stocked enough weapons, of course

    The situation in Germany is really acute though, and not nearly enough has been done over the last year to remedy the situation, despite Scholz’s announcements to the contrary. It’s not even so much a matter of funding, there’s apparently massive inefficiency and red tape in the procurements office of the Bundeswehr.
    The minister of defense just stated Germany would be essentially incapable of defense against a war of aggression…
    I mean, I’m not the most enthusiastic proponent of re-militarization (tbh Poland’s plans strike me as overkill), but if you can’t provide any credible deterrence at all, that’s a problem.

    Would the German businesses be ok with this though?

    I expect many of them to re-locate to other countries (including China…) in coming years. It’s not like there’s an abundance of smart, pro-business policy here…
    The energy situation is especially disastrous. Due to the influence of the Greens Germany has embraced the fantasy of running an industrial economy on renewables, when none of the serious issues like energy storage have really been solved so far. It’s not going to work.
    More generally, do you see any signs of successful European industrial policy? Regarding key future technologies like AI Europeans come up with ridiculous ideas like possibly being “regulators”, no serious competition at all with the US or the Chinese. And the established industries that remain get the wrecking ball (e.g. see the EU commission’s decision to ban new cars with internal combustion engines by 2035).
    Of course theoretically a lot should still be possible, but I don’t see the serious will, too much complacency.

  973. @LatW
    @songbird


    The US providing tanks would be seen as a major escalation because their mobility and firepower makes them offensive weapons.
     
    The triad that the UA military is preparing right now, when it's complete, could in fact be considered "offensive" already, because Bradleys can be used as a supplemental vehicle for tanks.

    Replies: @songbird

    For sure, there have been a lot of gray areas already.

    But nothing on the psychological level of tanks – the ultimate charismatic weapon of war – the thing that little boys draw when they are allowed, and which war simulation enthusiasts obsess over.

    I have remarked before that I suspect that one reason that African conflicts received so little attention is that most of them did not have the hardware to capture the imagination.

  974. But nothing on the psychological level of tanks – the ultimate charismatic weapon of war – the thing that little boys draw when they are allowed..

    Why wouldn’t they be allowed? Tell me about it – my home is full of drawings of tanks and all sorts of other vehicles and Wunderwaffe that I don’t even recognize and have no idea what those are, the detail on them is incredible. I know how it goes 🙂 it’s the most popular thing that boys draw as it comes naturally to them.

    But, yea, agree about the psychological level, the only other thing to have such a level would be a fighter jet. But tanks do not function on their own, all these other components are there to supplement them. When the tanks arrive, the Ukrainian moves will be swifter.

    I have remarked before that I suspect that one reason that African conflicts received so little attention is that most of them did not have the hardware to capture the imagination.

    That’s a valid observation, although some tribal weapons can be really cool, too (and scary as hell). I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day (granted, that’s a very different culture from the African ones) and there were some really crazy weapons that went into that (knives made of obsidian and similar).

    Some vintage tank footage, I like how they almost float up from the ground.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    Why wouldn’t they be allowed?
     
    There is this proto-woke idea that boys must be kept from their natural activities lest they become too warlike, and want to start or fight wars, when they grow up. One of the reasons I dislike school is that I think that it is too anti-boy, and doesn't do a good job of inculcating masculine values and traits.

    I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day
     
    That is a funny coincidence. Last time I saw my mother, she was talking about exactly that. A pity what they did to Mel Gibson. I feel like he may have had a couple of ambitious movies in him, if he hadn't been so stigmatized to the point where it was probably too difficult for him to get the financing for anything but rather unambitious films.

    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God's wrath.

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

  975. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can't help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.

    As for establishment shutting down the woke, I am sure they will. The excesses of the woke will make this happen, but the direction won't be so much backward as deleting the more extreme proposals and moving on with the best.

    E.g trans kids is going, even if acceptance of non-adherence to sexual stereotypes will stay. And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.

    My romantic other went to a fancy high school in Russia in the 2010s. They recently described to me how the students put on a performance on "minorities day" and that particular one was to celebrate Jews. It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn't something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.

    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a ‘meat space’ political community. This is less the case now.

    And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.

    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.

    It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.

    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn’t take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Coconuts

    I should have added that according to the Hope Not Hate report this year, belief in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is on the rise among the young:

    https://hopenothate.org.uk/2023/02/26/state-of-hate-2023-rhetoric-racism-and-resentment/

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a ‘meat space’ political community. This is less the case now.
     
    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever, the fact that there is much less of it reinforces my point that there is much less demand.

    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.
     
    You're seeing it in all such cynical terms. People don't want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that. This has led to suboptimal outcomes for the most successful countries with what appears to be the most effective genetic inheritances, except that it really is the result of people's choices.

    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn’t take the issue that seriously.
     
    It wouldn't matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK. People would no longer tolerate such a thing. They don't want it and they don't like it, which is why the government takes it seriously. There might be isolated cases of some people liking it and the government oppressing them, but that's only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  976. @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
     
    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a 'meat space' political community. This is less the case now.

    And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
     
    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.

    It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
     
    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn't take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Triteleia Laxa

    I should have added that according to the Hope Not Hate report this year, belief in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is on the rise among the young:

    https://hopenothate.org.uk/2023/02/26/state-of-hate-2023-rhetoric-racism-and-resentment/

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    According to Hope Not Hate, racism of all sorts has been increasing every single day, week, month and year for decades, even as I basically never encounter it. Their alternate universe must make for wonderful fantasy material for National Front types.

  977. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    I suspect that a solution to the Somali issue might be the easiest of all, too. Recognize Somaliland in return for resettling Somalis in the West back there.

    Give them some amount of aid, to accomplish this, but not as institutionalized welfare, but as diminishing payments, or other investments.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I suspect that a solution to the Somali issue might be the easiest of all, too. Recognize Somaliland in return for resettling Somalis in the West back there.

    It is one of the more obvious ones. But it’s maybe for that reason it would highlight the general idea/reasoning behind it, and this is something that at the moment can’t be discussed. This could be one reason there will be some moves to curtail Woke, especially outside the US, as it draws too much attention to issues of group identity and not always in the right way for the current regime.

    • Agree: songbird
  978. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
     
    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a 'meat space' political community. This is less the case now.

    And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
     
    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.

    It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
     
    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn't take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Triteleia Laxa

    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a ‘meat space’ political community. This is less the case now.

    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever, the fact that there is much less of it reinforces my point that there is much less demand.

    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.

    You’re seeing it in all such cynical terms. People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that. This has led to suboptimal outcomes for the most successful countries with what appears to be the most effective genetic inheritances, except that it really is the result of people’s choices.

    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn’t take the issue that seriously.

    It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK. People would no longer tolerate such a thing. They don’t want it and they don’t like it, which is why the government takes it seriously. There might be isolated cases of some people liking it and the government oppressing them, but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever...
     
    I'm not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before? Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?

    People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that.
     
    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one's own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.

    The point about ethnocentrism being suboptimal is uncertain, depending on what this means. It was suboptimal for Nazi Germany but this is an extreme case.

    It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK.
     
    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour's description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

    The situation in Belarus is different as the experience of the country during WW2 was very distinct, discussion of these things seemed more natural to me as it was closer to 'lived experience' of people even in their early 30s (grandparents would have told them about it).

    ...but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.
     
    I think these sorts of people have always shaped and led public opinion everywhere.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  979. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Coconuts

    I should have added that according to the Hope Not Hate report this year, belief in anti-Semitic conspiracy theories is on the rise among the young:

    https://hopenothate.org.uk/2023/02/26/state-of-hate-2023-rhetoric-racism-and-resentment/

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    According to Hope Not Hate, racism of all sorts has been increasing every single day, week, month and year for decades, even as I basically never encounter it. Their alternate universe must make for wonderful fantasy material for National Front types.

  980. @LatW

    But nothing on the psychological level of tanks – the ultimate charismatic weapon of war – the thing that little boys draw when they are allowed..

     

    Why wouldn't they be allowed? Tell me about it - my home is full of drawings of tanks and all sorts of other vehicles and Wunderwaffe that I don't even recognize and have no idea what those are, the detail on them is incredible. I know how it goes :) it's the most popular thing that boys draw as it comes naturally to them.

    But, yea, agree about the psychological level, the only other thing to have such a level would be a fighter jet. But tanks do not function on their own, all these other components are there to supplement them. When the tanks arrive, the Ukrainian moves will be swifter.

    I have remarked before that I suspect that one reason that African conflicts received so little attention is that most of them did not have the hardware to capture the imagination.
     
    That's a valid observation, although some tribal weapons can be really cool, too (and scary as hell). I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day (granted, that's a very different culture from the African ones) and there were some really crazy weapons that went into that (knives made of obsidian and similar).

    Some vintage tank footage, I like how they almost float up from the ground.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivP1qYG_tLw

    Replies: @songbird

    Why wouldn’t they be allowed?

    There is this proto-woke idea that boys must be kept from their natural activities lest they become too warlike, and want to start or fight wars, when they grow up. One of the reasons I dislike school is that I think that it is too anti-boy, and doesn’t do a good job of inculcating masculine values and traits.

    I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day

    That is a funny coincidence. Last time I saw my mother, she was talking about exactly that. A pity what they did to Mel Gibson. I feel like he may have had a couple of ambitious movies in him, if he hadn’t been so stigmatized to the point where it was probably too difficult for him to get the financing for anything but rather unambitious films.

    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God’s wrath.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God’s wrath.
     
    I'm not sure about that, because, frankly, I don't think the Mayans were portrayed all that flatteringly in it. The movie is very ideological, pro-conquistador.

    It was also very graphic, I could barely watch it, especially the opening scene of the village being attacked (I was almost going to step out of the theater, it was that hard to watch). However, it is well done, I really loved all the ornamentation, the costumes, as well as the spoken native language, also liked the intensity of it. It is what I would call "agonal" (warlike).

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    My son and his friends in our close had reached four years old and never seen a gun in a movie thanks to woke culture on tv and their mothers' vigilance. Then my son was left alone for an hour with his grandfather while visiting. My father had a tv in the kitchen. He had switched on a cowboy movie. His mother had it switched off in horror when we returned. Too late. Less than 5 minutes of a gunfight and anybit of stick became a gun. His friends hadn't seen the movie but they got the idea instantly and made the same noises.

    Replies: @LatW

  981. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.
     
    As far as I'm concerned, Stefan Molyneux is a literal honorary angel. You'll get no antipathy towards him from me.

    AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.
     
    While ideas like Molyneux's have had it much harder than those like Contrapoints', there are a lot of other ideas out there that failed to succeed and didn't have it hard.

    Furthermore, the fact is that Molyneux is basically one of a kind, while Contrapoints is one of many. Molyneux was therefore a huge fish in a small pond, but Contrapoints is one of many big fish in an ocean.

    And my argument is that the ocean's vastness is because the ideas are naturally appealing to very many, and that ignoring this fact, or blaming some conspiracy, is pathetic and cowardly. It also means that you never learn from the ideas of those you oppose because you never have to see the value in them, which is just totally self-defeating.

    Replies: @songbird

    A lot of people seem to have identified Molyneux as a grifter.

    Not sure what exactly is behind it, but I do remember someone playing a funny clip where he castigated some poor guy for a $3 superchat and made a tirade against him.

    Of course, I have never been a youtube star, but I feel like that was a PR mistake. You probably want to rely on your whales, while not acting like you are too big to receive small donations.

  982. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a ‘meat space’ political community. This is less the case now.
     
    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever, the fact that there is much less of it reinforces my point that there is much less demand.

    I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.
     
    You're seeing it in all such cynical terms. People don't want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that. This has led to suboptimal outcomes for the most successful countries with what appears to be the most effective genetic inheritances, except that it really is the result of people's choices.

    I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn’t take the issue that seriously.
     
    It wouldn't matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK. People would no longer tolerate such a thing. They don't want it and they don't like it, which is why the government takes it seriously. There might be isolated cases of some people liking it and the government oppressing them, but that's only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever…

    I’m not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before? Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?

    People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that.

    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one’s own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.

    The point about ethnocentrism being suboptimal is uncertain, depending on what this means. It was suboptimal for Nazi Germany but this is an extreme case.

    It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK.

    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour’s description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

    The situation in Belarus is different as the experience of the country during WW2 was very distinct, discussion of these things seemed more natural to me as it was closer to ‘lived experience’ of people even in their early 30s (grandparents would have told them about it).

    …but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.

    I think these sorts of people have always shaped and led public opinion everywhere.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    I’m not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before?
     
    I don't think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.

    Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?
     
    I don't count that as a sufficiently different era when we're talking about history, but it is likely not harder than then anuway. The added censorship is counteracted by the proliferation of other platforms that anyone can visit if they want, and by the even more terminally online nature of near everyone.

    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one’s own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.
     
    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.

    Is this unfair? Not really. It just is. No one wants to follow the kind of scum that so frequently rose to the top of nationalist movements. Some were good people, but the average was not. We should recognise this fact easily.

    And given a choice of the status quo or the Daily Stormer, I'll pick the status quo every time. As would anyone sane. The multicultural elites were bad, but everyone else was worse, which I guess means the elites weren't so bad after all.

    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour’s description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

     

    Probably, but I don't think the Holocaust is important to what people think now anyway. Except about the "Holocaust never happened and we'd do it again" lot, obviously, as they come across ludicrously psychopathic.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  983. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever...
     
    I'm not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before? Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?

    People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that.
     
    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one's own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.

    The point about ethnocentrism being suboptimal is uncertain, depending on what this means. It was suboptimal for Nazi Germany but this is an extreme case.

    It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK.
     
    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour's description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

    The situation in Belarus is different as the experience of the country during WW2 was very distinct, discussion of these things seemed more natural to me as it was closer to 'lived experience' of people even in their early 30s (grandparents would have told them about it).

    ...but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.
     
    I think these sorts of people have always shaped and led public opinion everywhere.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I’m not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before?

    I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.

    Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?

    I don’t count that as a sufficiently different era when we’re talking about history, but it is likely not harder than then anuway. The added censorship is counteracted by the proliferation of other platforms that anyone can visit if they want, and by the even more terminally online nature of near everyone.

    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one’s own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.

    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.

    Is this unfair? Not really. It just is. No one wants to follow the kind of scum that so frequently rose to the top of nationalist movements. Some were good people, but the average was not. We should recognise this fact easily.

    And given a choice of the status quo or the Daily Stormer, I’ll pick the status quo every time. As would anyone sane. The multicultural elites were bad, but everyone else was worse, which I guess means the elites weren’t so bad after all.

    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour’s description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

    Probably, but I don’t think the Holocaust is important to what people think now anyway. Except about the “Holocaust never happened and we’d do it again” lot, obviously, as they come across ludicrously psychopathic.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.
     
    But I don't find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s. It was marginal but organised enough to have some local councillors and a couple of MEPs; some organised far-right presence had been a fixture in British politics since the 30s. Attempts to register and organise a successor group appear to have faced a variety of obstacles from institutions and the police. At the same time the evolution of politics during the past decade does not seem to have been unfavourable to this sort of party among its usual support base.

    The reason an official nationalist party can no longer be accepted by the authorities is maybe understandable due to potential conflict with Islamists, public disorder it might cause due to the level of immigration and also mobilisation of other ethnic groups (black nationalists) and so on. Imo this is a different thing to a spontaneous movement of support among the whole population for a more Woke perspective on multiculturalism and immigration though. Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing. (This is a change from the past).

    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.
     
    I wonder if awareness of these issues is growing in different parts of the population due to demographic change, at the same time as it has less and less of a place in the mainstream political parties. In the past I think more mainstream concerns about ethnicity and identity still had a natural place in the major parties, this started changing relatively recently, then especially since the spread of Woke attitudes in the last couple of years. So there may be a current of opinion that doesn't yet have much of an expression.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  984. @songbird
    @LatW


    Why wouldn’t they be allowed?
     
    There is this proto-woke idea that boys must be kept from their natural activities lest they become too warlike, and want to start or fight wars, when they grow up. One of the reasons I dislike school is that I think that it is too anti-boy, and doesn't do a good job of inculcating masculine values and traits.

    I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day
     
    That is a funny coincidence. Last time I saw my mother, she was talking about exactly that. A pity what they did to Mel Gibson. I feel like he may have had a couple of ambitious movies in him, if he hadn't been so stigmatized to the point where it was probably too difficult for him to get the financing for anything but rather unambitious films.

    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God's wrath.

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God’s wrath.

    I’m not sure about that, because, frankly, I don’t think the Mayans were portrayed all that flatteringly in it. The movie is very ideological, pro-conquistador.

    It was also very graphic, I could barely watch it, especially the opening scene of the village being attacked (I was almost going to step out of the theater, it was that hard to watch). However, it is well done, I really loved all the ornamentation, the costumes, as well as the spoken native language, also liked the intensity of it. It is what I would call “agonal” (warlike).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    >Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans.

    I’m not sure about that, because, frankly, I don’t think the Mayans were portrayed all that flatteringly in it.
     

    Well, I am just saying this somewhat impressionistically, but I've seen a lot of Spanish comments praising both the film and Gibson online. And some of the people have portraits which show them to be at least fairly Mestizo, and perhaps fairly Indio.

    I suspect that some of these people might like Gibson because they know he is a Catholic, and others might appreciate seeing a Hollywood-level production. There is a big desire for them to see themselves in such productions and I have heard some level of it firsthand, like, a bit sadly, one was once wishing that Disney would make a movie about a Latino kingdom.

    I have found these two comments, on youtube:


    I am a Guatemalan Mayan woman and I loved this movie, Mister Gibson made an excellent job on it. His story is correct because on that time Mayan people were declining so there were many groups that had copied bad habits about others aborigens, at the beginning they were peaceful and they did not practice any sacrifice and they got great cities, only one god, super buildings (temples) and big knowledge about different subjects. On their last days they became bloodthirsty and they got a lot of gods, even though there were some people which wanted to live as their ancestors (you can see that on the movie with our protagonists, they were so kind people so they did not want to live like as bad people so they preferred to live apart), you must be a Mayan person to understand better that movie, that was simply an amazing job, I would like that Mister Gibson could make new movies about this kind.
     

    Esta película es maravillosa y Mel Gibson, tremendo director.
     
    I would say it has at least a cult fanbase there, and probably something more.

    The movie is very ideological, pro-conquistador.
     
    I'm not sure I would say this, as Gibson went through all the trouble of using the Mayan language, which undoubtedly made it a lot less commercial than it would have been otherwise. And the conquistadors have the appearance of being cruel men, themselves.

    I have read some Mexican literature about first contact, and it is a bit ambiguous. Like, they recognize it was monumental change, perhaps, semi-tragic but as if ordered by God, and without demonizing the Conquistadors. It has the flavor of recognizing that they have both strains in them. And they have a holiday to that effect: Día de la Raza, and there is this idea that they are a single race, combining both elements if perhaps it is not wholly scientifically accurate, in that some are very Indio (and much truer in the Mayan areas), and a few are very Euro.


    It was also very graphic, I could barely watch it,
     
    I'm with you. It wasn't exactly to my taste, but I do think it was more ambitious than the standard Hollywood movie, and I appreciate it on that level.
  985. @songbird
    @LatW


    Why wouldn’t they be allowed?
     
    There is this proto-woke idea that boys must be kept from their natural activities lest they become too warlike, and want to start or fight wars, when they grow up. One of the reasons I dislike school is that I think that it is too anti-boy, and doesn't do a good job of inculcating masculine values and traits.

    I was watching the making of Apocalypto the other day
     
    That is a funny coincidence. Last time I saw my mother, she was talking about exactly that. A pity what they did to Mel Gibson. I feel like he may have had a couple of ambitious movies in him, if he hadn't been so stigmatized to the point where it was probably too difficult for him to get the financing for anything but rather unambitious films.

    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God's wrath.

    Replies: @LatW, @Philip Owen

    My son and his friends in our close had reached four years old and never seen a gun in a movie thanks to woke culture on tv and their mothers’ vigilance. Then my son was left alone for an hour with his grandfather while visiting. My father had a tv in the kitchen. He had switched on a cowboy movie. His mother had it switched off in horror when we returned. Too late. Less than 5 minutes of a gunfight and anybit of stick became a gun. His friends hadn’t seen the movie but they got the idea instantly and made the same noises.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Philip Owen

    Very young boys should be allowed to do what they want - of course, with some guidance, and you definitely need to start early when it comes to things like teaching them to pick up their things and putting their things back in place (these habits are learned early and they will carry them through their life). To be kind and polite to others, etc. But otherwise, very young boys should just be loved and taken great care of. I think when they reach the age of around 12, that's when you can be a bit stricter with them.

  986. @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    My son and his friends in our close had reached four years old and never seen a gun in a movie thanks to woke culture on tv and their mothers' vigilance. Then my son was left alone for an hour with his grandfather while visiting. My father had a tv in the kitchen. He had switched on a cowboy movie. His mother had it switched off in horror when we returned. Too late. Less than 5 minutes of a gunfight and anybit of stick became a gun. His friends hadn't seen the movie but they got the idea instantly and made the same noises.

    Replies: @LatW

    Very young boys should be allowed to do what they want – of course, with some guidance, and you definitely need to start early when it comes to things like teaching them to pick up their things and putting their things back in place (these habits are learned early and they will carry them through their life). To be kind and polite to others, etc. But otherwise, very young boys should just be loved and taken great care of. I think when they reach the age of around 12, that’s when you can be a bit stricter with them.

  987. @LatW
    @songbird


    Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans. I liked that final scene with the conquistadors rowing ashore with their merciless blue eyes, to be God’s wrath.
     
    I'm not sure about that, because, frankly, I don't think the Mayans were portrayed all that flatteringly in it. The movie is very ideological, pro-conquistador.

    It was also very graphic, I could barely watch it, especially the opening scene of the village being attacked (I was almost going to step out of the theater, it was that hard to watch). However, it is well done, I really loved all the ornamentation, the costumes, as well as the spoken native language, also liked the intensity of it. It is what I would call "agonal" (warlike).

    Replies: @songbird

    >Seems like it was a very popular film among Mexicans.

    I’m not sure about that, because, frankly, I don’t think the Mayans were portrayed all that flatteringly in it.

    Well, I am just saying this somewhat impressionistically, but I’ve seen a lot of Spanish comments praising both the film and Gibson online. And some of the people have portraits which show them to be at least fairly Mestizo, and perhaps fairly Indio.

    [MORE]

    I suspect that some of these people might like Gibson because they know he is a Catholic, and others might appreciate seeing a Hollywood-level production. There is a big desire for them to see themselves in such productions and I have heard some level of it firsthand, like, a bit sadly, one was once wishing that Disney would make a movie about a Latino kingdom.

    I have found these two comments, on youtube:

    I am a Guatemalan Mayan woman and I loved this movie, Mister Gibson made an excellent job on it. His story is correct because on that time Mayan people were declining so there were many groups that had copied bad habits about others aborigens, at the beginning they were peaceful and they did not practice any sacrifice and they got great cities, only one god, super buildings (temples) and big knowledge about different subjects. On their last days they became bloodthirsty and they got a lot of gods, even though there were some people which wanted to live as their ancestors (you can see that on the movie with our protagonists, they were so kind people so they did not want to live like as bad people so they preferred to live apart), you must be a Mayan person to understand better that movie, that was simply an amazing job, I would like that Mister Gibson could make new movies about this kind.

    Esta película es maravillosa y Mel Gibson, tremendo director.

    I would say it has at least a cult fanbase there, and probably something more.

    The movie is very ideological, pro-conquistador.

    I’m not sure I would say this, as Gibson went through all the trouble of using the Mayan language, which undoubtedly made it a lot less commercial than it would have been otherwise. And the conquistadors have the appearance of being cruel men, themselves.

    I have read some Mexican literature about first contact, and it is a bit ambiguous. Like, they recognize it was monumental change, perhaps, semi-tragic but as if ordered by God, and without demonizing the Conquistadors. It has the flavor of recognizing that they have both strains in them. And they have a holiday to that effect: Día de la Raza, and there is this idea that they are a single race, combining both elements if perhaps it is not wholly scientifically accurate, in that some are very Indio (and much truer in the Mayan areas), and a few are very Euro.

    It was also very graphic, I could barely watch it,

    I’m with you. It wasn’t exactly to my taste, but I do think it was more ambitious than the standard Hollywood movie, and I appreciate it on that level.

  988. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    I’m not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before?
     
    I don't think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.

    Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?
     
    I don't count that as a sufficiently different era when we're talking about history, but it is likely not harder than then anuway. The added censorship is counteracted by the proliferation of other platforms that anyone can visit if they want, and by the even more terminally online nature of near everyone.

    You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one’s own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.
     
    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.

    Is this unfair? Not really. It just is. No one wants to follow the kind of scum that so frequently rose to the top of nationalist movements. Some were good people, but the average was not. We should recognise this fact easily.

    And given a choice of the status quo or the Daily Stormer, I'll pick the status quo every time. As would anyone sane. The multicultural elites were bad, but everyone else was worse, which I guess means the elites weren't so bad after all.

    Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour’s description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.

     

    Probably, but I don't think the Holocaust is important to what people think now anyway. Except about the "Holocaust never happened and we'd do it again" lot, obviously, as they come across ludicrously psychopathic.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.

    But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s. It was marginal but organised enough to have some local councillors and a couple of MEPs; some organised far-right presence had been a fixture in British politics since the 30s. Attempts to register and organise a successor group appear to have faced a variety of obstacles from institutions and the police. At the same time the evolution of politics during the past decade does not seem to have been unfavourable to this sort of party among its usual support base.

    The reason an official nationalist party can no longer be accepted by the authorities is maybe understandable due to potential conflict with Islamists, public disorder it might cause due to the level of immigration and also mobilisation of other ethnic groups (black nationalists) and so on. Imo this is a different thing to a spontaneous movement of support among the whole population for a more Woke perspective on multiculturalism and immigration though. Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing. (This is a change from the past).

    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.

    I wonder if awareness of these issues is growing in different parts of the population due to demographic change, at the same time as it has less and less of a place in the mainstream political parties. In the past I think more mainstream concerns about ethnicity and identity still had a natural place in the major parties, this started changing relatively recently, then especially since the spread of Woke attitudes in the last couple of years. So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s.
     
    I do.

    Racist attitudes are much diminished, and those attitudes, unfortunately, turned out to be the vast majority of their appeal.

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.

    The anti-nationalists were right about why the vast majority of nationalists supported nationalism, even though they were wrong about the best of nationalism itself and how it would make a better country for living in.

    Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing.
     
    Nationalism requires government action and any poll that doesn't balance off supposed support for nationalist action with the cost, isn't getting an honest answer.

    E.g are you against multiculturalism and do you want your neighbour deported?

    The elections are the best polls as they include trade-offs and nationalist parties could have been voted for many, many times, but never really were. That's just a fact.

    So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.
     
    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny. It has literally never been easier given that we are connected to it 24/7 by super easy smartphones, yet never have fewer people done so.

    I am a nationalist, so it isn't like it is pleasing to admit all of this stuff, but all of the excuses for the fact that people never really voted for genuinely nationalist politics and avoid engaging with nationalist ideas are just so much hot air.

    People buy illegal drugs, pirate films, queue for days for the latest iPhone, engage in difficult jobs and all manner of things that are not completely easy, and literally everyone does some of these things, yet nationalists have been blaming things like getting censored off YouTube for the lack of nationalist popularity. This is absurd. There are no serious barriers to engaging with nationalist content, nor making it, nor organising. Yet the numbers involved are miniscule. This is because most people are completely unpersuaded and disinterested.

    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge. They therefore dislike us. And that is clear. I can talk about nationalist politics and get away with it because I'm just about the most delicate, sensitive and empathetic conversationalist there is, when I want to be. But the basic ideas are extremely unpopular because of the costs quite reasonably associated with them. And all of the nationalist excuses for that just seem limp and pathetic to non-nationalists.

    The only excuse I'll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities, and has never recovered from being controlled by so many with antisocial and otherwise poisonous traits. Sane and reasonable nationalists are often immune to noticing this because their standard for sane and reasonable is a tiny minority of a tiny minority. That is the sane and reasonable people within nationalism. They therefore have incredibly low expectations. But look around at the comment board at Unz for example. These people are the worst. And they absolutely dominate most nationalist movements. Normies are correct for rejecting us as whatever our abstract policies might be, they'd actually result in putting these people in charge, and that would be infinitely worse than the status quo.

    Replies: @songbird, @Coconuts

  989. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.
     
    But I don't find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s. It was marginal but organised enough to have some local councillors and a couple of MEPs; some organised far-right presence had been a fixture in British politics since the 30s. Attempts to register and organise a successor group appear to have faced a variety of obstacles from institutions and the police. At the same time the evolution of politics during the past decade does not seem to have been unfavourable to this sort of party among its usual support base.

    The reason an official nationalist party can no longer be accepted by the authorities is maybe understandable due to potential conflict with Islamists, public disorder it might cause due to the level of immigration and also mobilisation of other ethnic groups (black nationalists) and so on. Imo this is a different thing to a spontaneous movement of support among the whole population for a more Woke perspective on multiculturalism and immigration though. Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing. (This is a change from the past).

    I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.
     
    I wonder if awareness of these issues is growing in different parts of the population due to demographic change, at the same time as it has less and less of a place in the mainstream political parties. In the past I think more mainstream concerns about ethnicity and identity still had a natural place in the major parties, this started changing relatively recently, then especially since the spread of Woke attitudes in the last couple of years. So there may be a current of opinion that doesn't yet have much of an expression.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s.

    I do.

    Racist attitudes are much diminished, and those attitudes, unfortunately, turned out to be the vast majority of their appeal.

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.

    The anti-nationalists were right about why the vast majority of nationalists supported nationalism, even though they were wrong about the best of nationalism itself and how it would make a better country for living in.

    Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing.

    Nationalism requires government action and any poll that doesn’t balance off supposed support for nationalist action with the cost, isn’t getting an honest answer.

    E.g are you against multiculturalism and do you want your neighbour deported?

    The elections are the best polls as they include trade-offs and nationalist parties could have been voted for many, many times, but never really were. That’s just a fact.

    So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.

    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny. It has literally never been easier given that we are connected to it 24/7 by super easy smartphones, yet never have fewer people done so.

    I am a nationalist, so it isn’t like it is pleasing to admit all of this stuff, but all of the excuses for the fact that people never really voted for genuinely nationalist politics and avoid engaging with nationalist ideas are just so much hot air.

    People buy illegal drugs, pirate films, queue for days for the latest iPhone, engage in difficult jobs and all manner of things that are not completely easy, and literally everyone does some of these things, yet nationalists have been blaming things like getting censored off YouTube for the lack of nationalist popularity. This is absurd. There are no serious barriers to engaging with nationalist content, nor making it, nor organising. Yet the numbers involved are miniscule. This is because most people are completely unpersuaded and disinterested.

    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge. They therefore dislike us. And that is clear. I can talk about nationalist politics and get away with it because I’m just about the most delicate, sensitive and empathetic conversationalist there is, when I want to be. But the basic ideas are extremely unpopular because of the costs quite reasonably associated with them. And all of the nationalist excuses for that just seem limp and pathetic to non-nationalists.

    The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities, and has never recovered from being controlled by so many with antisocial and otherwise poisonous traits. Sane and reasonable nationalists are often immune to noticing this because their standard for sane and reasonable is a tiny minority of a tiny minority. That is the sane and reasonable people within nationalism. They therefore have incredibly low expectations. But look around at the comment board at Unz for example. These people are the worst. And they absolutely dominate most nationalist movements. Normies are correct for rejecting us as whatever our abstract policies might be, they’d actually result in putting these people in charge, and that would be infinitely worse than the status quo.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I am a nationalist
     
    Afraid nationalists just don't say stuff like this:

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.
     
    Doubtlessly, there is a carve-out for a certain amount of race-realism that isn't nationalism. I would suggest that both you and Hanania would fit into this category.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny.
     
    I was thinking about something a bit different when I posted that part, about a newer version of nationalism that maybe only exists at the moment in an embryonic form. This would be in different areas of the D/R, plus the 'post-liberal' sphere (I also had in mind 'Red Toryism' and 'Blue Labour' in the UK), it will be able to reach people that the current one can't.

    Nationalism has evolved a few times over the decades as the political context has changed, it seems possible it will happen again because of the changing demographic situation in a lot of European countries, questions about identity and ethnicity become harder not to notice. The woke focus on white supremacy and European culture and history just sort of reinforces this.


    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge.
     
    It's likely that the 'doctrine' or body of ideas needs some updating to take into account the new situation, where people will have more familiarity with different ethnic groups from interacting and living near them and will have a different sort of interest in these issues. I think I am coming across it more irl lately, just it feels like the right ideas to express it haven't been identified yet.

    The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities...
     
    If it reemerges in a more mainstream form I would guess the people leading it will be quite different. I've heard different predictions from political scientists that at some point in the future the mainstream parties will start to reclaim some of this. It seems weird for example when Sargon of Akkad remembers Burke but the Conservative Party seems to have forgotten.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  990. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s.
     
    I do.

    Racist attitudes are much diminished, and those attitudes, unfortunately, turned out to be the vast majority of their appeal.

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.

    The anti-nationalists were right about why the vast majority of nationalists supported nationalism, even though they were wrong about the best of nationalism itself and how it would make a better country for living in.

    Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing.
     
    Nationalism requires government action and any poll that doesn't balance off supposed support for nationalist action with the cost, isn't getting an honest answer.

    E.g are you against multiculturalism and do you want your neighbour deported?

    The elections are the best polls as they include trade-offs and nationalist parties could have been voted for many, many times, but never really were. That's just a fact.

    So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.
     
    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny. It has literally never been easier given that we are connected to it 24/7 by super easy smartphones, yet never have fewer people done so.

    I am a nationalist, so it isn't like it is pleasing to admit all of this stuff, but all of the excuses for the fact that people never really voted for genuinely nationalist politics and avoid engaging with nationalist ideas are just so much hot air.

    People buy illegal drugs, pirate films, queue for days for the latest iPhone, engage in difficult jobs and all manner of things that are not completely easy, and literally everyone does some of these things, yet nationalists have been blaming things like getting censored off YouTube for the lack of nationalist popularity. This is absurd. There are no serious barriers to engaging with nationalist content, nor making it, nor organising. Yet the numbers involved are miniscule. This is because most people are completely unpersuaded and disinterested.

    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge. They therefore dislike us. And that is clear. I can talk about nationalist politics and get away with it because I'm just about the most delicate, sensitive and empathetic conversationalist there is, when I want to be. But the basic ideas are extremely unpopular because of the costs quite reasonably associated with them. And all of the nationalist excuses for that just seem limp and pathetic to non-nationalists.

    The only excuse I'll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities, and has never recovered from being controlled by so many with antisocial and otherwise poisonous traits. Sane and reasonable nationalists are often immune to noticing this because their standard for sane and reasonable is a tiny minority of a tiny minority. That is the sane and reasonable people within nationalism. They therefore have incredibly low expectations. But look around at the comment board at Unz for example. These people are the worst. And they absolutely dominate most nationalist movements. Normies are correct for rejecting us as whatever our abstract policies might be, they'd actually result in putting these people in charge, and that would be infinitely worse than the status quo.

    Replies: @songbird, @Coconuts

    I am a nationalist

    Afraid nationalists just don’t say stuff like this:

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.

    Doubtlessly, there is a carve-out for a certain amount of race-realism that isn’t nationalism. I would suggest that both you and Hanania would fit into this category.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    You're proving my point. There's nothing positive in your vision. Just bitterness, resentment and hatred all around, except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.

    In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don't want white people to be, Meaning that you have nothing but contempt for us, and how you perceive Jews is how you want white people to actually be instead, meaning you have tremendous respect for them.

    My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan's. But the immigrants to Britain, and their descendants, are not hateful, or unpleasant, or deserving of cruel treatment. Most are great people, like most people, even you, though you might want to discover that last bit. You should try "loving kindness" meditations off YouTube.

    Replies: @songbird

  991. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I am a nationalist
     
    Afraid nationalists just don't say stuff like this:

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.
     
    Doubtlessly, there is a carve-out for a certain amount of race-realism that isn't nationalism. I would suggest that both you and Hanania would fit into this category.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re proving my point. There’s nothing positive in your vision. Just bitterness, resentment and hatred all around, except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.

    In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don’t want white people to be, Meaning that you have nothing but contempt for us, and how you perceive Jews is how you want white people to actually be instead, meaning you have tremendous respect for them.

    My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan’s. But the immigrants to Britain, and their descendants, are not hateful, or unpleasant, or deserving of cruel treatment. Most are great people, like most people, even you, though you might want to discover that last bit. You should try “loving kindness” meditations off YouTube.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    There’s nothing positive in your vision.
     
    You are just categorizing me into your pre-exisiting rubrik of contempt for nationalists, due to your lack of sympathy with them. Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes. It also suggests to me that you do not follow any nationalists, or else do not like any, but only hate-read them.

    FYI, I have a life-affirming vision for Europeans. Not one where their nations are treated like hotels or exploitable economic zones, and not one where they themselves are seen as replaceable cogs. Not one where they vanish out of existence.

    I want a place where they are not taught to hate their origin and smother any feelings of brotherhood. One where they are not endlessly parasitized and called names. But where they can have a healthy culture, where they feel like they belong, and have a connection to the past and future. I want a culture of life, high morals, and art. Where resources and attention can be addressed to the problem of collapsing fertility, and to other real, solvable problems, without being endlessly siphoned off to undeserving causes and peoples.

    I want a culture where such foreigners as are permitted to reside aren't grasping, selfish creatures, who will turn withering gazes on anything with the slightest whiff of nationalism, but one in which they will acknowledge the God-given rights of Europeans, and not shamelessly seek to exploit them unto death.

    I want the world to be a diamond of contrasting facets of people, and don't want to take a hammer to it, and smash it into a pile of unremarkable and indistinguishable dust or sand.


    In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don’t want white people to be
     
    Is this a great insight, or a hackneyed an obvious one? I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing. And in my experience, there are few such people.

    except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.
     
    Honestly, I selected Hanania because he was the best illustration of which I could think. I am open to considering other examples, if you can think of better, but I doubt you can because he seems to be the paragon of it.

    With Hanania the contempt seems so unnecessary. IMO, it undercuts his single good argument, but still he can't hide it.

    My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan’s.
     
    Musing about the past requires no investment, while in the present, you make apologia.

    A nationalist would be able to formulate some policy. Even Dmitry has, though he is clearly not a nationalist. But I don't think you can.

    Your refrain seems to be that everything will self-correct, that things have never been so good, and nationalists should not concern themselves with it because they are terrible people anyway.

    No nationalist would make apologia or endorse the status quo (which really isn't a status quo, at all, but rapidly advancing and disastrous trends.) Some might accuse you of trying to run interference, or being against deportations or other changes, because you fear the result of growing nationalism.
  992. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    You're proving my point. There's nothing positive in your vision. Just bitterness, resentment and hatred all around, except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.

    In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don't want white people to be, Meaning that you have nothing but contempt for us, and how you perceive Jews is how you want white people to actually be instead, meaning you have tremendous respect for them.

    My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan's. But the immigrants to Britain, and their descendants, are not hateful, or unpleasant, or deserving of cruel treatment. Most are great people, like most people, even you, though you might want to discover that last bit. You should try "loving kindness" meditations off YouTube.

    Replies: @songbird

    There’s nothing positive in your vision.

    You are just categorizing me into your pre-exisiting rubrik of contempt for nationalists, due to your lack of sympathy with them. Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes. It also suggests to me that you do not follow any nationalists, or else do not like any, but only hate-read them.

    [MORE]

    FYI, I have a life-affirming vision for Europeans. Not one where their nations are treated like hotels or exploitable economic zones, and not one where they themselves are seen as replaceable cogs. Not one where they vanish out of existence.

    I want a place where they are not taught to hate their origin and smother any feelings of brotherhood. One where they are not endlessly parasitized and called names. But where they can have a healthy culture, where they feel like they belong, and have a connection to the past and future. I want a culture of life, high morals, and art. Where resources and attention can be addressed to the problem of collapsing fertility, and to other real, solvable problems, without being endlessly siphoned off to undeserving causes and peoples.

    I want a culture where such foreigners as are permitted to reside aren’t grasping, selfish creatures, who will turn withering gazes on anything with the slightest whiff of nationalism, but one in which they will acknowledge the God-given rights of Europeans, and not shamelessly seek to exploit them unto death.

    I want the world to be a diamond of contrasting facets of people, and don’t want to take a hammer to it, and smash it into a pile of unremarkable and indistinguishable dust or sand.

    In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don’t want white people to be

    Is this a great insight, or a hackneyed an obvious one? I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing. And in my experience, there are few such people.

    except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.

    Honestly, I selected Hanania because he was the best illustration of which I could think. I am open to considering other examples, if you can think of better, but I doubt you can because he seems to be the paragon of it.

    With Hanania the contempt seems so unnecessary. IMO, it undercuts his single good argument, but still he can’t hide it.

    My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan’s.

    Musing about the past requires no investment, while in the present, you make apologia.

    A nationalist would be able to formulate some policy. Even Dmitry has, though he is clearly not a nationalist. But I don’t think you can.

    Your refrain seems to be that everything will self-correct, that things have never been so good, and nationalists should not concern themselves with it because they are terrible people anyway.

    No nationalist would make apologia or endorse the status quo (which really isn’t a status quo, at all, but rapidly advancing and disastrous trends.) Some might accuse you of trying to run interference, or being against deportations or other changes, because you fear the result of growing nationalism.

  993. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:

    Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes.

    More black and white thinking. I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself and coconuts.

    FYI, I have a life-affirming vision for Europeans. Not one where their nations are treated like hotels or exploitable economic zones, and not one where they themselves are seen as replaceable cogs. Not one where they vanish out of existence.

    Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.

    I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing.

    Say something about us white people that isn’t riddled with disdain.

    A nationalist would be able to formulate some policy.

    And yet you’ve done no such thing.

    Your refrain seems to be that everything will self-correct, that things have never been so good, and nationalists should not concern themselves with it because they are terrible people anyway.

    Things will be ok, they haven’t been better and nationalists, if we want to influence the future, should be better people.

    No nationalist would make apologia or endorse the status quo

    I’m with white people. That’s all. Through disagreements with my ideas and agreements.

    As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever. Furthermore, I would reduce a British couple’s income tax by perhaps 5 or 10% per child they had.

    The intention, and the sun’s might need to be adjusted, would be to return to a positive TFR, centred on the middle class and above, as well as to return to Japanese levels of demography.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself
     
    Isn't it odd that you put yourself first? And only mention one other person from this blog, who has posted recently, and not someone with a telegram channel or who has written books or articles? Or put out other communication? Or even a satirist on twitter?

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping, but almost seems like there is nothing to reference beyond your short-term memory that would allow you to pass as a nationalist, at the present point. You have certainly never linked to any content produced by a nationalist that I can recall.

    Seems to me you would have an easier time thinking of someone, except you must be uninterested in the topic, or else have contempt for all of those who cross your mind.


    Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.
     
    You don't think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things? What else would it be, unless you are trying to affirm things as they are - to be an apologist for it? Such as when you say:

    Things will be ok, they haven’t been better
     
    "[Things] haven't been better" seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things. Suggests materialism (while actually ignoring negative economic trends) and lack of spiritualism.

    "Things will be ok" almost seems like an attempt to disarm or placate, rather than any logical conclusion, or extrapolation of negative trends, which are accelerating.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don't see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren't exactly the best friends of nationalists now.


    And yet you’ve done no such thing.
     
    Why repeat myself endlessly? If you have read my comments, at all, you know I have proposed dozens of things, such as earlier in this very thread, sending Somalis to Somaliland. Or opening up other cities like Singapore, specifically for cosmopolitans, and for people who think we need to meet en masse to exchange ideas. Re-establishing and subsidizing a moral cultural center for Europe, to compete with the degenerate messages from America. I would open up a bureau to solicit and test ideas, including ones that might seem off-the-wall, like turning man-catching into competitive sport, with tourism encouraged, as is done with big-game hunting in Africa.

    But most of my ideas are common and don't really need to be said.

    us white people
     
    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color. For example: I see no need to make an attempt to encompass Chechens. And frankly the term "white" is easy to exploit as an attack against Europeans, to deracinate them, while stealing their identity, and villainizing them.

    As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever.
     
    Well, that is something, but £100,000 must be considerably less than most would receive over a lifetime. Minimum conditions for anyone accepting it would be to stop existing wealth-transfer, including DIE. I even wonder how many countries would accept them, without the threat of significant force or other bribes being applied.

    A one-size fits all bribe is almost very safe thinking for a progressive, but really doesn't make sense from the standpoint of trying to maximize precipitously declining resources, or right the capsizing ship of European demographics.

    A real hard look at the state of things would require an un-PC approach, optimizing RoI. Something more Machiavellian.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don't quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.

    Try to collapse the fertility of the most problematic groups by not giving it to old foggies and gays, but only the young and most likely to reproduce. Perhaps, even just one sex (I would suggest the younger, more fertile, and attractive females, with more given to those with the most fertile years), though I suppose an argument could be made the other way, since it would result in security savings, and since women might be less inclined to move on their own.

    If they want their mates, we'd pay for their tickets, maybe a very tiny sum to help settle them, but not some fortune we can't afford, and should be spending to subsidize the fertility of our people and in solving our own problems, and not on giving them a high lifestyle they never earned.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  994. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Poland transfers old and dangerous equipment to Ukraine, like BMP-1, T-72M1, that would perhaps kill more Ukrainian soldiers, than save Ukrainian lives.
     
    Stuff like T-72s has probably been pretty useful to Ukraine, they know those systems, have spare parts etc. And some of the Western systems now pledged to Ukraine are also of questionable worth (iirc several dozen Leopards I are to be delivered...which could maybe used in some very limited role, but would be absolute death traps in tank-to-tank combat).
    But yeah, hard not to feel that PiS Poland is trying to extract political and material profit from the situation, which is irritating.
    I probably should stop though, I don't want to come across like some rabid Polonophobe, the topic isn't very edifying.

    So, slowly, Ukraine will be starting to build parts of a modern army later this year
     
    The amount of such weapons systems Ukraine can receive from European countries is rather limited though, existing stocks are low. It will be definitely much below the (imo unrealistic) expectations the Ukrainian military has voiced.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    dozen Leopards I are to be delivered…which could maybe used in some very limited role, but would be absolute death

    That is true, my comment was a bit exaggerated. Lack of adding the moderation is, often when you don’t have time to edit a comment.

    Media is commonly saying Poland is giving billions of dollars of military equipment to Ukraine, when it is old Soviet export equipment, which mainly has only a money value in terms of metal.

    Governments are not allowed to sell the equipment in the civilian market, while storage costs are also high. The equipment will be dangerous for the country which uses it in a modern war.

    When Poland gives it to Ukraine, they are receiving funding from the Europrean peace facility, for equipment which has mainly no money value.

    The majority of the funding for the European peace facility is to Poland. So, it is politicians in Poland receiving money from the EU for equipment they give to Ukraine, that would normally have no money value. https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/eu-arms-fund-faces-reimbursement-issues-amid-increased-ukrainian-needs/

    , I don’t want to come across like some rabid Polonophobe, the topic

    Most Polish people are embarrassed about their government and politicians. They are a kind of populist hysteria for a political base of older voters in East Poland.

    such weapons systems Ukraine can receive from European countries is rather limited though, existing stocks are low.

    It’s likely the war will continue in 2024, even 2025. In 2024, the countries like France, England or Germany can produce a lot more of the modern equipment.

    That’s why this conflict of Putin with leaders of powerful countries like Macron can be suicide. It’s possible for France to give to Ukraine equipment which is more advanced than Russia could have, even from China.

    Americans essentially refusing to send Abrams tanks (of which they have thousands in storage) on

    They just are not giving domestic Abrams tanks to Ukraine, because the domestic version have secret uranium armor.

    So, America would only give export models of Abrams to Ukraine. This is what they will be giving to Ukraine 2024. They are producing new export models of Abrams for Ukraine.

    There is a reason why Ukraine could have motivation to fight slowly this year and wait for 2024, when they will have more parts of a modern army.

    medical companies are profiting from selling garbage products that don’t even work reliably.

    Hopefully you recover safely from the virus.

    There is even the historically world’s best manufacturing country, Germany, not manufacturing for their citizens, this important medical test equipment.

    A lot of people, say “US loses manufacturing because Clinton”, “Russia loses manufacturing because of the oligarchs”.

    It’s much more universal because of economics and labor costs. Even China is now going to middle income trap and will lose increasingly the manufacturing industry if their incomes increase.

  995. @Triteleia Laxa

    Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes.
     
    More black and white thinking. I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself and coconuts.

    FYI, I have a life-affirming vision for Europeans. Not one where their nations are treated like hotels or exploitable economic zones, and not one where they themselves are seen as replaceable cogs. Not one where they vanish out of existence.
     
    Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.

    I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing.
     
    Say something about us white people that isn't riddled with disdain.

    A nationalist would be able to formulate some policy.
     
    And yet you've done no such thing.

    Your refrain seems to be that everything will self-correct, that things have never been so good, and nationalists should not concern themselves with it because they are terrible people anyway.
     
    Things will be ok, they haven't been better and nationalists, if we want to influence the future, should be better people.

    No nationalist would make apologia or endorse the status quo
     
    I'm with white people. That's all. Through disagreements with my ideas and agreements.

    As for my own policies, I'd end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever. Furthermore, I would reduce a British couple's income tax by perhaps 5 or 10% per child they had.

    The intention, and the sun's might need to be adjusted, would be to return to a positive TFR, centred on the middle class and above, as well as to return to Japanese levels of demography.

    Replies: @songbird

    I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself

    Isn’t it odd that you put yourself first? And only mention one other person from this blog, who has posted recently, and not someone with a telegram channel or who has written books or articles? Or put out other communication? Or even a satirist on twitter?

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping, but almost seems like there is nothing to reference beyond your short-term memory that would allow you to pass as a nationalist, at the present point. You have certainly never linked to any content produced by a nationalist that I can recall.

    Seems to me you would have an easier time thinking of someone, except you must be uninterested in the topic, or else have contempt for all of those who cross your mind.

    [MORE]

    Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.

    You don’t think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things? What else would it be, unless you are trying to affirm things as they are – to be an apologist for it? Such as when you say:

    Things will be ok, they haven’t been better

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things. Suggests materialism (while actually ignoring negative economic trends) and lack of spiritualism.

    “Things will be ok” almost seems like an attempt to disarm or placate, rather than any logical conclusion, or extrapolation of negative trends, which are accelerating.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don’t see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren’t exactly the best friends of nationalists now.

    And yet you’ve done no such thing.

    Why repeat myself endlessly? If you have read my comments, at all, you know I have proposed dozens of things, such as earlier in this very thread, sending Somalis to Somaliland. Or opening up other cities like Singapore, specifically for cosmopolitans, and for people who think we need to meet en masse to exchange ideas. Re-establishing and subsidizing a moral cultural center for Europe, to compete with the degenerate messages from America. I would open up a bureau to solicit and test ideas, including ones that might seem off-the-wall, like turning man-catching into competitive sport, with tourism encouraged, as is done with big-game hunting in Africa.

    But most of my ideas are common and don’t really need to be said.

    us white people

    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color. For example: I see no need to make an attempt to encompass Chechens. And frankly the term “white” is easy to exploit as an attack against Europeans, to deracinate them, while stealing their identity, and villainizing them.

    As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever.

    Well, that is something, but £100,000 must be considerably less than most would receive over a lifetime. Minimum conditions for anyone accepting it would be to stop existing wealth-transfer, including DIE. I even wonder how many countries would accept them, without the threat of significant force or other bribes being applied.

    A one-size fits all bribe is almost very safe thinking for a progressive, but really doesn’t make sense from the standpoint of trying to maximize precipitously declining resources, or right the capsizing ship of European demographics.

    A real hard look at the state of things would require an un-PC approach, optimizing RoI. Something more Machiavellian.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don’t quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.

    Try to collapse the fertility of the most problematic groups by not giving it to old foggies and gays, but only the young and most likely to reproduce. Perhaps, even just one sex (I would suggest the younger, more fertile, and attractive females, with more given to those with the most fertile years), though I suppose an argument could be made the other way, since it would result in security savings, and since women might be less inclined to move on their own.

    If they want their mates, we’d pay for their tickets, maybe a very tiny sum to help settle them, but not some fortune we can’t afford, and should be spending to subsidize the fertility of our people and in solving our own problems, and not on giving them a high lifestyle they never earned.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Isn’t it odd that you put yourself first?
     
    No, it makes sense.

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping
     
    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.
     
    More black and white thinking.

    You don’t think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things?
     
    You don't have one.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don’t see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren’t exactly the best friends of nationalists now.
     
    We don't need saving. I also have higher priorities than nationalism. I want people to know themselves, for example. Nationalism is a mere tool in that direction.

    But most of my ideas are common and don’t really need to be said.
     
    They're neither common nor coherent.

    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color.
     
    Good for you. I used it as shorthand.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don’t quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.
     
    Ok, but you can't even persuade people to end affirmative action because you're too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.

    My previous points stand.

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  996. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself
     
    Isn't it odd that you put yourself first? And only mention one other person from this blog, who has posted recently, and not someone with a telegram channel or who has written books or articles? Or put out other communication? Or even a satirist on twitter?

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping, but almost seems like there is nothing to reference beyond your short-term memory that would allow you to pass as a nationalist, at the present point. You have certainly never linked to any content produced by a nationalist that I can recall.

    Seems to me you would have an easier time thinking of someone, except you must be uninterested in the topic, or else have contempt for all of those who cross your mind.


    Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.
     
    You don't think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things? What else would it be, unless you are trying to affirm things as they are - to be an apologist for it? Such as when you say:

    Things will be ok, they haven’t been better
     
    "[Things] haven't been better" seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things. Suggests materialism (while actually ignoring negative economic trends) and lack of spiritualism.

    "Things will be ok" almost seems like an attempt to disarm or placate, rather than any logical conclusion, or extrapolation of negative trends, which are accelerating.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don't see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren't exactly the best friends of nationalists now.


    And yet you’ve done no such thing.
     
    Why repeat myself endlessly? If you have read my comments, at all, you know I have proposed dozens of things, such as earlier in this very thread, sending Somalis to Somaliland. Or opening up other cities like Singapore, specifically for cosmopolitans, and for people who think we need to meet en masse to exchange ideas. Re-establishing and subsidizing a moral cultural center for Europe, to compete with the degenerate messages from America. I would open up a bureau to solicit and test ideas, including ones that might seem off-the-wall, like turning man-catching into competitive sport, with tourism encouraged, as is done with big-game hunting in Africa.

    But most of my ideas are common and don't really need to be said.

    us white people
     
    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color. For example: I see no need to make an attempt to encompass Chechens. And frankly the term "white" is easy to exploit as an attack against Europeans, to deracinate them, while stealing their identity, and villainizing them.

    As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever.
     
    Well, that is something, but £100,000 must be considerably less than most would receive over a lifetime. Minimum conditions for anyone accepting it would be to stop existing wealth-transfer, including DIE. I even wonder how many countries would accept them, without the threat of significant force or other bribes being applied.

    A one-size fits all bribe is almost very safe thinking for a progressive, but really doesn't make sense from the standpoint of trying to maximize precipitously declining resources, or right the capsizing ship of European demographics.

    A real hard look at the state of things would require an un-PC approach, optimizing RoI. Something more Machiavellian.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don't quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.

    Try to collapse the fertility of the most problematic groups by not giving it to old foggies and gays, but only the young and most likely to reproduce. Perhaps, even just one sex (I would suggest the younger, more fertile, and attractive females, with more given to those with the most fertile years), though I suppose an argument could be made the other way, since it would result in security savings, and since women might be less inclined to move on their own.

    If they want their mates, we'd pay for their tickets, maybe a very tiny sum to help settle them, but not some fortune we can't afford, and should be spending to subsidize the fertility of our people and in solving our own problems, and not on giving them a high lifestyle they never earned.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Isn’t it odd that you put yourself first?

    No, it makes sense.

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping

    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.

    More black and white thinking.

    You don’t think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things?

    You don’t have one.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don’t see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren’t exactly the best friends of nationalists now.

    We don’t need saving. I also have higher priorities than nationalism. I want people to know themselves, for example. Nationalism is a mere tool in that direction.

    But most of my ideas are common and don’t really need to be said.

    They’re neither common nor coherent.

    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color.

    Good for you. I used it as shorthand.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don’t quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.

    Ok, but you can’t even persuade people to end affirmative action because you’re too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.

    My previous points stand.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc
     
    Honestly, I don't recognize a lot of those names, but kind of a strange list.

    Sailer describes himself as a 'citizenist', which is totally distinct from ethnic nationalism. Derbyshire has miscegenated - not that I think he is a bad guy, but a nationalist? Coulter i believe is a single mom, who is a provocateur - I have never really read her much, but she does not seem especially different to me from Anglin, only a little more mainstream. BTW, I think it is disgusting how she dresses like a THOT, even though she is decades past her prime. BAP is an obscene homo Zionist, who uses pornographic language.

    David Glassman is a Jew, a member of the Labour party and a writer for Tablet. Honestly, I have never known a British Jew who didn't repeatedly and vigorously punch right, while denouncing any idea of real national ethnos. I would suggest that you fit into this category yourself.

    Blond is a distributist. Am not wholly unsympathetic to the ideas of Distributism, but I have never known one to identify as a nationalist, even one who is most likely more based than Blond.

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.

    >More black and white thinking.
     
    If you disagree with my statement, then you were extremely inarticulate in your original formulation, which you seem to have repeated endlessly, at one time or another, on this forum, and I suggest you revise it to make it more sensible to others.

    But you have falsely accused me of wanting to live in the past before, so that seems like you are both condemning it wholesale and fearful of it. Plus, I do not recall you mentioning one good thing about it. I am not sure you are really capable of appreciating anything about it, unless maybe, if someone tried to force it out of you.

    You don't seem to acknowledge cultural degeneracy is a thing, which I think would be required of any real nationalist.

    I would suggest that what you really meant is reductive to "technology has never been better." Of course, who would really say that rhetorically, since it is obvious? But that is a very long and far cry from "things have never been better", especially when considering Europe specifically.

    You can't even say that now is the most prosperous times, as many can no longer afford houses, since open borders has driven up the cost of real estate and rents.


    Ok, but you can’t even persuade people to end affirmative action because you’re too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.
     
    Once again, you attempt to stigmatize, even though you claim you have no disgust reflex.

    At least, I am honest enough to admit it is impossible to convince the people who have ruthlessly and immorally grasped power.

    Anyway, I thought you were leapfrogging that, and suggesting impossible ideas because you have no solution to that particular problem, even though you keep bizarrely repeating that "things will get better"?

    I know I asked you before, and you never answered, but how will that work exactly? When will the aliens who have ruthlessly exploited the system, and tried to seize every bit of power they could get, suddenly and radically change their behavior, to put Europeans ahead of their own interests? How exactly will it happen with their increasing numbers and the decreasing numbers of Europeans?

    I genuinely want to hear your explanation. Is it embryo selection and increasing their IQ artificially?

    I am sorry. I did not realize that this was a progressive forum, where we need to affirm the moral worth of jobless Somalis, and surrender to their exploding numbers, if they simply don't want to leave but have papers. Guess it is gameover, and if they are here for 2000 years then we need to give a quadrillion dollars and be bred out of existence by them and that is justice. And every one of them is deserving of a million dollars or more, or whatever payout it takes to get them to leave, despite never having worked for it, when Europeans don't have houses and can't afford to have kids.

    Of course, though you will never admit it, you are a Jew, so you are congenitally incapable of endorsing force to pursue the well-being of Europeans in their own countries, or even of suggesting anything that would increase the ethno-centricism of Europeans. Not even against Somalis, which IMO, just goes to show how ridiculous and unconvincing it is when you call yourself a nationalist.

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  997. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It’s a local businessman promoting some of his multinational employees, to show the loyalty to the messages of the Kremlin.
     
    That's a really cool warehouse, it's huge and I like the colors (but it should have Russian products, not just Chinese). Well, aren't something like 80-90% of the people in that crowd ethnic Russian? But they are not mentioned among the rest of the nationalities, I guess it's because they are the "default" nationality. In the woke culture, too, the default nationality is also often underlooked. It is understandable that they want to create an inclusive environment, you have to respect your workers and treat them well. But they are not "russkie" as they say in the video above, they are "rossiyane". Anyway, it is very cute, I shouldn't pick on them. :)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There is a kind of stereotype view, in this forum you said and Bashibuzuk/Anon4, where Russians in national sense are in the lowest position, because they are not celebrated in the government’s multinational propaganda.

    Obviously, this is not true, as proportionally for their national composition far more e.g. Tuvans, will be in the bottom, than Russians. And wealth of majority nonrussian regions like Yakutsk are asset-stripped for majority Russian cities like Moscow.

    But position of people, in middle and working class in Russia, is depending mainly on location. If you in Moscow, your region receiving 100s of shiny new metro stations. If you are in even average large city like Chelyabinsk, it is still more than 30 years to construct the first metro station.

    The amount of public investment you will benefit from depends on your region and that correlates only in indirect way with nationality.

    not mentioned among the rest of the nationalities, I guess it’s because they are the “default” nationality.. understandable that they want to create an inclusive environment, you have to respect your workers and treat them well. But they are not “russkie” as they say in the

    It’s more than just in language or propaganda. The language in a way is just controlled by choices of government. There is more importantly, how the imperial system is working for centuries.

    Russian is like default nationality, in the sense when you subtract all folkloric or national traditions, the local languages, a person is then Russian.

    So, if your grandparents were Mordvins, but your family do not continue of the specific traditions and language of the Mordvin people, then you will be Russian. If you imagine a glass of water with ice cubes. Russian is like water and the nationalities are like melting ice cubes.

    Even people with the most strong national traditions or historically different religion nationalities like Jews and Tatars, were in the 20th century rapidly dissolving into Russian nationality by intermarriage, even when the USSR having a nationality system. In the Russian Federation, the nationality system is also removed fully.

    Pushkin’s biography is a popular mythology partly because it is quite a symbolic sample, of how Russian was being created by the deracination process.

    In this forum, people write a lot of anti-gypsy comments. But in my school, there were a few people with grandparents with gypsy roots, that you could never know before they boast about it. This is why certain people in this forum, could lose friends in Russia, because they wouldn’t know peoples’ ancestry until they talk about it.

    In this forum, AnonfromTN is even from West Ukraine, with Ukrainian language education, with Ukrainian grandparents. But he views chooses Russian as the universal identity, instead of Ukrainian as the folklorical identity.

    This also creates sentimental response behavior where many Russians, with a grandparents from a nonrussian nationality, will romanticize themselves in terms of their nonrussian roots.*

    When I was young, people were quite romantic about having Ukrainian roots, although more especially anything to have cossack roots was an item for boasting.

    Nowadays, few will boast, as they want to create anxiety about Ukrainian internal enemies (https://susanin.news/russia/incidents/20230201-299463).

    * Romanticism about special roots, because many people want to feel like unusual coins, instead of common coins. Common Pokemons don’t have value, but rare Pokemons have value. This is more inevitable when the population has crazy “ramps” and mass production in the 19th/20th century and some nationality becomes hundreds of millions. Nationalities like Han Chinese with over a billion .

    But it is the same time the real differences of nationalities are dissolving and people like Tatars become demographically dissolved.

  998. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Isn’t it odd that you put yourself first?
     
    No, it makes sense.

    I am not generally a fan of name-dropping
     
    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.
     
    More black and white thinking.

    You don’t think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things?
     
    You don't have one.

    As I recall, you seem to think that transhumanism will save us, or at least embryo selection, but I don’t see how this would help a nationalist, to lift up groups that have a history of selfishly seeking their own interests. High-performing groups aren’t exactly the best friends of nationalists now.
     
    We don't need saving. I also have higher priorities than nationalism. I want people to know themselves, for example. Nationalism is a mere tool in that direction.

    But most of my ideas are common and don’t really need to be said.
     
    They're neither common nor coherent.

    I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color.
     
    Good for you. I used it as shorthand.

    Offer much more to the most problematic populations, cohorts, and sex, and much less to the others. Once a certain number have gone, threaten to cut it off for people who don’t quickly accept the deal, and threaten to use force to deport them, without even giving them a housing provision.
     
    Ok, but you can't even persuade people to end affirmative action because you're too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.

    My previous points stand.

    Replies: @songbird

    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc

    Honestly, I don’t recognize a lot of those names, but kind of a strange list.

    [MORE]

    Sailer describes himself as a ‘citizenist’, which is totally distinct from ethnic nationalism. Derbyshire has miscegenated – not that I think he is a bad guy, but a nationalist? Coulter i believe is a single mom, who is a provocateur – I have never really read her much, but she does not seem especially different to me from Anglin, only a little more mainstream. BTW, I think it is disgusting how she dresses like a THOT, even though she is decades past her prime. BAP is an obscene homo Zionist, who uses pornographic language.

    David Glassman is a Jew, a member of the Labour party and a writer for Tablet. Honestly, I have never known a British Jew who didn’t repeatedly and vigorously punch right, while denouncing any idea of real national ethnos. I would suggest that you fit into this category yourself.

    Blond is a distributist. Am not wholly unsympathetic to the ideas of Distributism, but I have never known one to identify as a nationalist, even one who is most likely more based than Blond.

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.

    >More black and white thinking.

    If you disagree with my statement, then you were extremely inarticulate in your original formulation, which you seem to have repeated endlessly, at one time or another, on this forum, and I suggest you revise it to make it more sensible to others.

    But you have falsely accused me of wanting to live in the past before, so that seems like you are both condemning it wholesale and fearful of it. Plus, I do not recall you mentioning one good thing about it. I am not sure you are really capable of appreciating anything about it, unless maybe, if someone tried to force it out of you.

    You don’t seem to acknowledge cultural degeneracy is a thing, which I think would be required of any real nationalist.

    I would suggest that what you really meant is reductive to “technology has never been better.” Of course, who would really say that rhetorically, since it is obvious? But that is a very long and far cry from “things have never been better”, especially when considering Europe specifically.

    You can’t even say that now is the most prosperous times, as many can no longer afford houses, since open borders has driven up the cost of real estate and rents.

    Ok, but you can’t even persuade people to end affirmative action because you’re too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.

    Once again, you attempt to stigmatize, even though you claim you have no disgust reflex.

    At least, I am honest enough to admit it is impossible to convince the people who have ruthlessly and immorally grasped power.

    Anyway, I thought you were leapfrogging that, and suggesting impossible ideas because you have no solution to that particular problem, even though you keep bizarrely repeating that “things will get better”?

    I know I asked you before, and you never answered, but how will that work exactly? When will the aliens who have ruthlessly exploited the system, and tried to seize every bit of power they could get, suddenly and radically change their behavior, to put Europeans ahead of their own interests? How exactly will it happen with their increasing numbers and the decreasing numbers of Europeans?

    I genuinely want to hear your explanation. Is it embryo selection and increasing their IQ artificially?

    I am sorry. I did not realize that this was a progressive forum, where we need to affirm the moral worth of jobless Somalis, and surrender to their exploding numbers, if they simply don’t want to leave but have papers. Guess it is gameover, and if they are here for 2000 years then we need to give a quadrillion dollars and be bred out of existence by them and that is justice. And every one of them is deserving of a million dollars or more, or whatever payout it takes to get them to leave, despite never having worked for it, when Europeans don’t have houses and can’t afford to have kids.

    Of course, though you will never admit it, you are a Jew, so you are congenitally incapable of endorsing force to pursue the well-being of Europeans in their own countries, or even of suggesting anything that would increase the ethno-centricism of Europeans. Not even against Somalis, which IMO, just goes to show how ridiculous and unconvincing it is when you call yourself a nationalist.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    Who do you like? Who do you admire?

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  999. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s.
     
    I do.

    Racist attitudes are much diminished, and those attitudes, unfortunately, turned out to be the vast majority of their appeal.

    So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.

    The anti-nationalists were right about why the vast majority of nationalists supported nationalism, even though they were wrong about the best of nationalism itself and how it would make a better country for living in.

    Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing.
     
    Nationalism requires government action and any poll that doesn't balance off supposed support for nationalist action with the cost, isn't getting an honest answer.

    E.g are you against multiculturalism and do you want your neighbour deported?

    The elections are the best polls as they include trade-offs and nationalist parties could have been voted for many, many times, but never really were. That's just a fact.

    So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.
     
    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny. It has literally never been easier given that we are connected to it 24/7 by super easy smartphones, yet never have fewer people done so.

    I am a nationalist, so it isn't like it is pleasing to admit all of this stuff, but all of the excuses for the fact that people never really voted for genuinely nationalist politics and avoid engaging with nationalist ideas are just so much hot air.

    People buy illegal drugs, pirate films, queue for days for the latest iPhone, engage in difficult jobs and all manner of things that are not completely easy, and literally everyone does some of these things, yet nationalists have been blaming things like getting censored off YouTube for the lack of nationalist popularity. This is absurd. There are no serious barriers to engaging with nationalist content, nor making it, nor organising. Yet the numbers involved are miniscule. This is because most people are completely unpersuaded and disinterested.

    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge. They therefore dislike us. And that is clear. I can talk about nationalist politics and get away with it because I'm just about the most delicate, sensitive and empathetic conversationalist there is, when I want to be. But the basic ideas are extremely unpopular because of the costs quite reasonably associated with them. And all of the nationalist excuses for that just seem limp and pathetic to non-nationalists.

    The only excuse I'll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities, and has never recovered from being controlled by so many with antisocial and otherwise poisonous traits. Sane and reasonable nationalists are often immune to noticing this because their standard for sane and reasonable is a tiny minority of a tiny minority. That is the sane and reasonable people within nationalism. They therefore have incredibly low expectations. But look around at the comment board at Unz for example. These people are the worst. And they absolutely dominate most nationalist movements. Normies are correct for rejecting us as whatever our abstract policies might be, they'd actually result in putting these people in charge, and that would be infinitely worse than the status quo.

    Replies: @songbird, @Coconuts

    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny.

    I was thinking about something a bit different when I posted that part, about a newer version of nationalism that maybe only exists at the moment in an embryonic form. This would be in different areas of the D/R, plus the ‘post-liberal’ sphere (I also had in mind ‘Red Toryism’ and ‘Blue Labour’ in the UK), it will be able to reach people that the current one can’t.

    Nationalism has evolved a few times over the decades as the political context has changed, it seems possible it will happen again because of the changing demographic situation in a lot of European countries, questions about identity and ethnicity become harder not to notice. The woke focus on white supremacy and European culture and history just sort of reinforces this.

    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge.

    It’s likely that the ‘doctrine’ or body of ideas needs some updating to take into account the new situation, where people will have more familiarity with different ethnic groups from interacting and living near them and will have a different sort of interest in these issues. I think I am coming across it more irl lately, just it feels like the right ideas to express it haven’t been identified yet.

    The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities…

    If it reemerges in a more mainstream form I would guess the people leading it will be quite different. I’ve heard different predictions from political scientists that at some point in the future the mainstream parties will start to reclaim some of this. It seems weird for example when Sargon of Akkad remembers Burke but the Conservative Party seems to have forgotten.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    This is all possible, but any future nationalism must understand that people buy people, not ideas or services or even products.

    Therefore the people, being sold as nationalists, must be exceptional, rather than the more common collection of individuals with serious personality disorders, or worse.

    For example, one of the nationalist groups I went to was ok at first and with seemingly decent people, but it swiftly descended into bitterness, resentment and random outbursts of racial epithets at the bar afterwards.

    In fact, one self-styled leader and Officer-class type was holding forth about philosophy, quite ignorantly but at least there was some attempt, only for me next to hear of him haranguing elderly Jews on the street and taunting them with threats of gassing and another Holocaust.

    Of course, people will have their frustrations and their confused grand theories and their scapegoats, I can handle that, at least from audience members, but they must be able to recognise that being an adult is having the ability to mask in order to adapt to society and to be effective. It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath.

    So-called nationalists, who are seemingly incapable of non-black and white thinking, will never understand that. As either you're for some sort of totaller krieg where the world is bathed in blood and fire, or you're a Jew, there to trick him into transvestism or whatever is the subject of his particular fantasy. Well, these people are poison to any movement. No one wants to be around them. No one wants to be associated with them. At least until they finally let go and grow up.

    People buy people and nationalists have been among the worst people on the political spectrum for years. For a political movement that is perfectly happy to generalise among groups, this is fatal. As I'd say to a black person unhappy about being stereotyped as a criminal, "take it up with the black criminals that create the stereotype." So too I say to all people who want nationalism to succeed. The stereotypes of us aren't a media lie, they are a plain and obvious fact.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

  1000. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @Coconuts
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny.
     
    I was thinking about something a bit different when I posted that part, about a newer version of nationalism that maybe only exists at the moment in an embryonic form. This would be in different areas of the D/R, plus the 'post-liberal' sphere (I also had in mind 'Red Toryism' and 'Blue Labour' in the UK), it will be able to reach people that the current one can't.

    Nationalism has evolved a few times over the decades as the political context has changed, it seems possible it will happen again because of the changing demographic situation in a lot of European countries, questions about identity and ethnicity become harder not to notice. The woke focus on white supremacy and European culture and history just sort of reinforces this.


    My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge.
     
    It's likely that the 'doctrine' or body of ideas needs some updating to take into account the new situation, where people will have more familiarity with different ethnic groups from interacting and living near them and will have a different sort of interest in these issues. I think I am coming across it more irl lately, just it feels like the right ideas to express it haven't been identified yet.

    The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities...
     
    If it reemerges in a more mainstream form I would guess the people leading it will be quite different. I've heard different predictions from political scientists that at some point in the future the mainstream parties will start to reclaim some of this. It seems weird for example when Sargon of Akkad remembers Burke but the Conservative Party seems to have forgotten.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    This is all possible, but any future nationalism must understand that people buy people, not ideas or services or even products.

    Therefore the people, being sold as nationalists, must be exceptional, rather than the more common collection of individuals with serious personality disorders, or worse.

    For example, one of the nationalist groups I went to was ok at first and with seemingly decent people, but it swiftly descended into bitterness, resentment and random outbursts of racial epithets at the bar afterwards.

    In fact, one self-styled leader and Officer-class type was holding forth about philosophy, quite ignorantly but at least there was some attempt, only for me next to hear of him haranguing elderly Jews on the street and taunting them with threats of gassing and another Holocaust.

    Of course, people will have their frustrations and their confused grand theories and their scapegoats, I can handle that, at least from audience members, but they must be able to recognise that being an adult is having the ability to mask in order to adapt to society and to be effective. It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath.

    So-called nationalists, who are seemingly incapable of non-black and white thinking, will never understand that. As either you’re for some sort of totaller krieg where the world is bathed in blood and fire, or you’re a Jew, there to trick him into transvestism or whatever is the subject of his particular fantasy. Well, these people are poison to any movement. No one wants to be around them. No one wants to be associated with them. At least until they finally let go and grow up.

    People buy people and nationalists have been among the worst people on the political spectrum for years. For a political movement that is perfectly happy to generalise among groups, this is fatal. As I’d say to a black person unhappy about being stereotyped as a criminal, “take it up with the black criminals that create the stereotype.” So too I say to all people who want nationalism to succeed. The stereotypes of us aren’t a media lie, they are a plain and obvious fact.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Triteleia Laxa


    It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath
     
    !

    *Literal facepalm*, Laxa :)

    So a sociopath is only the one who gets caught?

    Oi, as the Jews say.

    But I suppose this is exactly how an actual sociopath would define sociopathy - since a sociopath has no conscience, he assumes the appearance of a conscience in others must be a mask. Therefore, the person who displays a lack of conscience, which society calls a sociopath, is simply one whose mask has slipped.

    Makes perfect sense.

    Still.... facepalm, and Oi :)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  1001. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Sailer, Derbyshire, Coulter, BAP, Frank Field, Maurice Glasman, Phillip Blond, David Goodhart etc
     
    Honestly, I don't recognize a lot of those names, but kind of a strange list.

    Sailer describes himself as a 'citizenist', which is totally distinct from ethnic nationalism. Derbyshire has miscegenated - not that I think he is a bad guy, but a nationalist? Coulter i believe is a single mom, who is a provocateur - I have never really read her much, but she does not seem especially different to me from Anglin, only a little more mainstream. BTW, I think it is disgusting how she dresses like a THOT, even though she is decades past her prime. BAP is an obscene homo Zionist, who uses pornographic language.

    David Glassman is a Jew, a member of the Labour party and a writer for Tablet. Honestly, I have never known a British Jew who didn't repeatedly and vigorously punch right, while denouncing any idea of real national ethnos. I would suggest that you fit into this category yourself.

    Blond is a distributist. Am not wholly unsympathetic to the ideas of Distributism, but I have never known one to identify as a nationalist, even one who is most likely more based than Blond.

    “[Things] haven’t been better” seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things.

    >More black and white thinking.
     
    If you disagree with my statement, then you were extremely inarticulate in your original formulation, which you seem to have repeated endlessly, at one time or another, on this forum, and I suggest you revise it to make it more sensible to others.

    But you have falsely accused me of wanting to live in the past before, so that seems like you are both condemning it wholesale and fearful of it. Plus, I do not recall you mentioning one good thing about it. I am not sure you are really capable of appreciating anything about it, unless maybe, if someone tried to force it out of you.

    You don't seem to acknowledge cultural degeneracy is a thing, which I think would be required of any real nationalist.

    I would suggest that what you really meant is reductive to "technology has never been better." Of course, who would really say that rhetorically, since it is obvious? But that is a very long and far cry from "things have never been better", especially when considering Europe specifically.

    You can't even say that now is the most prosperous times, as many can no longer afford houses, since open borders has driven up the cost of real estate and rents.


    Ok, but you can’t even persuade people to end affirmative action because you’re too busy sounding like a hateful monomaniac.
     
    Once again, you attempt to stigmatize, even though you claim you have no disgust reflex.

    At least, I am honest enough to admit it is impossible to convince the people who have ruthlessly and immorally grasped power.

    Anyway, I thought you were leapfrogging that, and suggesting impossible ideas because you have no solution to that particular problem, even though you keep bizarrely repeating that "things will get better"?

    I know I asked you before, and you never answered, but how will that work exactly? When will the aliens who have ruthlessly exploited the system, and tried to seize every bit of power they could get, suddenly and radically change their behavior, to put Europeans ahead of their own interests? How exactly will it happen with their increasing numbers and the decreasing numbers of Europeans?

    I genuinely want to hear your explanation. Is it embryo selection and increasing their IQ artificially?

    I am sorry. I did not realize that this was a progressive forum, where we need to affirm the moral worth of jobless Somalis, and surrender to their exploding numbers, if they simply don't want to leave but have papers. Guess it is gameover, and if they are here for 2000 years then we need to give a quadrillion dollars and be bred out of existence by them and that is justice. And every one of them is deserving of a million dollars or more, or whatever payout it takes to get them to leave, despite never having worked for it, when Europeans don't have houses and can't afford to have kids.

    Of course, though you will never admit it, you are a Jew, so you are congenitally incapable of endorsing force to pursue the well-being of Europeans in their own countries, or even of suggesting anything that would increase the ethno-centricism of Europeans. Not even against Somalis, which IMO, just goes to show how ridiculous and unconvincing it is when you call yourself a nationalist.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Who do you like? Who do you admire?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?

    How exactly will the grossly obese Nigerians in Ireland on the dole calling the Irish racist for not opening up the floodgates to Nigeria suddenly feel contrite about it?

    I am all ears.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  1002. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    Who do you like? Who do you admire?

    Replies: @songbird

    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?

    How exactly will the grossly obese Nigerians in Ireland on the dole calling the Irish racist for not opening up the floodgates to Nigeria suddenly feel contrite about it?

    I am all ears.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?
     
    They probably won't. But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action. If you can't do these basic things, you most certainly won't be persuading anyone to do the brutal stuff.

    Try to be realistic or else you'll just continue to persuade me that your entire antisocial political ideology is merely a cover for your own fake and gay personality.

    Now answer my questions, pitiful avian.

    Replies: @songbird

  1003. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?

    How exactly will the grossly obese Nigerians in Ireland on the dole calling the Irish racist for not opening up the floodgates to Nigeria suddenly feel contrite about it?

    I am all ears.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?

    They probably won’t. But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action. If you can’t do these basic things, you most certainly won’t be persuading anyone to do the brutal stuff.

    Try to be realistic or else you’ll just continue to persuade me that your entire antisocial political ideology is merely a cover for your own fake and gay personality.

    Now answer my questions, pitiful avian.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action.
     
    You seem to be talking about elections, a rather implausible path to power, in a corrupt system of collapsing demographics. And in which pols that go off script are immediately and relentlessly demonized (Sometimes literally on magazine covers using Photoshop.)

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture - the one changeable part - is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale. ("White people" vs. "European". "British TV programming from 25 years ago has beautiful white women on it - there is nothing wrong with current British TV. There is nothing wrong with Hollywood."

    Who do you admire?
     
    I admire anyone with enough fighting spirit to challenge the rhetoric of the regime, even if only for an instant before groveling.

    I admire James Watson for speaking the truth, if only once or twice. I admire Scott Adams even though he quickly grovelled. I even admire Larry Summers, though he is probably a vile, exploitative bankster.

    Christopher Rufo, though he race-mixed, and I think he is on a false path, and incapable of contemplating the correct one. I admire Molyneux for having helped popularize people like Helmuth Nyborg and Linda Gottfredson, even though he is a lolbertarian and probably a grifter.

    I admire all the HBD researchers trying to answer politically incorrect questions. I admire Dutton as a popularizer, even though I think a lot of the things he says are daft.

    I admire the Euro women who have the fortitude to pop out eight children.

    But most of all, I admire the humorists and meme-makers ("NOT allow"; "broken branch, ancestor cry"). Stonetoss. Because what the political world needs most of all, IMO, is satire to highlight and lance the boil of the ridiculous. In a way, I even admire the pariah Anglin because I think the world needs trolls, with fighting spirit, even if they can be uncouth. They will inspire others who will have better manners and who will be subtler, but just as relentless and unflappable.

    I think Keith Woods and Morgoth's Review are both fairly high quality in articulating the problem with materialism, and how only nationalism can fill the void. Keith I would say is a little too interested in philosophy for his own good. I don't agree with him on everything - no point in picking sides in the Middle East, IMO - zero payoff and all cost. But I agree with a lot of what he says here:

    https://youtu.be/AR79qGTqPXQ

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  1004. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts

    This is all possible, but any future nationalism must understand that people buy people, not ideas or services or even products.

    Therefore the people, being sold as nationalists, must be exceptional, rather than the more common collection of individuals with serious personality disorders, or worse.

    For example, one of the nationalist groups I went to was ok at first and with seemingly decent people, but it swiftly descended into bitterness, resentment and random outbursts of racial epithets at the bar afterwards.

    In fact, one self-styled leader and Officer-class type was holding forth about philosophy, quite ignorantly but at least there was some attempt, only for me next to hear of him haranguing elderly Jews on the street and taunting them with threats of gassing and another Holocaust.

    Of course, people will have their frustrations and their confused grand theories and their scapegoats, I can handle that, at least from audience members, but they must be able to recognise that being an adult is having the ability to mask in order to adapt to society and to be effective. It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath.

    So-called nationalists, who are seemingly incapable of non-black and white thinking, will never understand that. As either you're for some sort of totaller krieg where the world is bathed in blood and fire, or you're a Jew, there to trick him into transvestism or whatever is the subject of his particular fantasy. Well, these people are poison to any movement. No one wants to be around them. No one wants to be associated with them. At least until they finally let go and grow up.

    People buy people and nationalists have been among the worst people on the political spectrum for years. For a political movement that is perfectly happy to generalise among groups, this is fatal. As I'd say to a black person unhappy about being stereotyped as a criminal, "take it up with the black criminals that create the stereotype." So too I say to all people who want nationalism to succeed. The stereotypes of us aren't a media lie, they are a plain and obvious fact.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath

    !

    *Literal facepalm*, Laxa 🙂

    So a sociopath is only the one who gets caught?

    Oi, as the Jews say.

    But I suppose this is exactly how an actual sociopath would define sociopathy – since a sociopath has no conscience, he assumes the appearance of a conscience in others must be a mask. Therefore, the person who displays a lack of conscience, which society calls a sociopath, is simply one whose mask has slipped.

    Makes perfect sense.

    Still…. facepalm, and Oi 🙂

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You have a narcissistic view of psychology, which means you perceive only the surface of the water of the psyche and no deeper.

    This is why you believe little child stuff like "sociopaths have no conscience" and "narcissists have no shame."

    There's no point in discussing this stuff with you until you realise that your self-styled spirituality, really just abstract noise, is a form of deflection from an inward gaze.

    Probably you devalue such introspection as narcissistic too.

    However, just to inform you, you don't know anything about your own conscience. You merely have an extremely loud superego and a petulant child's reaction to that, as well as some moralistic sh*t you scraped from various philosophical sources that you don't understand.

    Conscience is complicated and profound and known through feeling. It is an inward journey. Not some rationalisation you cling to so you can differentiate yourself from your mother.

    It is time for you to allow yourself to have authentic spiritual experience and not merely force yourself into a rigid inverse of your grandiosely narcissistic parent.

    Love her. Love the image of her you hold. Realise that image is you and was always you, and dive to some actual substance. You won't drown, even though you've never actually tried swimming properly before.

  1005. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Triteleia Laxa


    It is the inability or lack of willingness to mask that makes someone a sociopath
     
    !

    *Literal facepalm*, Laxa :)

    So a sociopath is only the one who gets caught?

    Oi, as the Jews say.

    But I suppose this is exactly how an actual sociopath would define sociopathy - since a sociopath has no conscience, he assumes the appearance of a conscience in others must be a mask. Therefore, the person who displays a lack of conscience, which society calls a sociopath, is simply one whose mask has slipped.

    Makes perfect sense.

    Still.... facepalm, and Oi :)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You have a narcissistic view of psychology, which means you perceive only the surface of the water of the psyche and no deeper.

    This is why you believe little child stuff like “sociopaths have no conscience” and “narcissists have no shame.”

    There’s no point in discussing this stuff with you until you realise that your self-styled spirituality, really just abstract noise, is a form of deflection from an inward gaze.

    Probably you devalue such introspection as narcissistic too.

    However, just to inform you, you don’t know anything about your own conscience. You merely have an extremely loud superego and a petulant child’s reaction to that, as well as some moralistic sh*t you scraped from various philosophical sources that you don’t understand.

    Conscience is complicated and profound and known through feeling. It is an inward journey. Not some rationalisation you cling to so you can differentiate yourself from your mother.

    It is time for you to allow yourself to have authentic spiritual experience and not merely force yourself into a rigid inverse of your grandiosely narcissistic parent.

    Love her. Love the image of her you hold. Realise that image is you and was always you, and dive to some actual substance. You won’t drown, even though you’ve never actually tried swimming properly before.

  1006. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Answer mine first: by what mechanism will the invaders of Europe suddenly and willingly subordinate their interests to Europeans, and feel apologetic and ashamed about what they have done?
     
    They probably won't. But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action. If you can't do these basic things, you most certainly won't be persuading anyone to do the brutal stuff.

    Try to be realistic or else you'll just continue to persuade me that your entire antisocial political ideology is merely a cover for your own fake and gay personality.

    Now answer my questions, pitiful avian.

    Replies: @songbird

    But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action.

    You seem to be talking about elections, a rather implausible path to power, in a corrupt system of collapsing demographics. And in which pols that go off script are immediately and relentlessly demonized (Sometimes literally on magazine covers using Photoshop.)

    [MORE]

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture – the one changeable part – is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale. (“White people” vs. “European”. “British TV programming from 25 years ago has beautiful white women on it – there is nothing wrong with current British TV. There is nothing wrong with Hollywood.”

    Who do you admire?

    I admire anyone with enough fighting spirit to challenge the rhetoric of the regime, even if only for an instant before groveling.

    I admire James Watson for speaking the truth, if only once or twice. I admire Scott Adams even though he quickly grovelled. I even admire Larry Summers, though he is probably a vile, exploitative bankster.

    Christopher Rufo, though he race-mixed, and I think he is on a false path, and incapable of contemplating the correct one. I admire Molyneux for having helped popularize people like Helmuth Nyborg and Linda Gottfredson, even though he is a lolbertarian and probably a grifter.

    I admire all the HBD researchers trying to answer politically incorrect questions. I admire Dutton as a popularizer, even though I think a lot of the things he says are daft.

    I admire the Euro women who have the fortitude to pop out eight children.

    But most of all, I admire the humorists and meme-makers (“NOT allow”; “broken branch, ancestor cry”). Stonetoss. Because what the political world needs most of all, IMO, is satire to highlight and lance the boil of the ridiculous. In a way, I even admire the pariah Anglin because I think the world needs trolls, with fighting spirit, even if they can be uncouth. They will inspire others who will have better manners and who will be subtler, but just as relentless and unflappable.

    I think Keith Woods and Morgoth’s Review are both fairly high quality in articulating the problem with materialism, and how only nationalism can fill the void. Keith I would say is a little too interested in philosophy for his own good. I don’t agree with him on everything – no point in picking sides in the Middle East, IMO – zero payoff and all cost. But I agree with a lot of what he says here:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    You seem to be talking about elections,
     
    No, I am talking about needing some popular support.

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture – the one changeable part – is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale.

     

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.

    I admire
     
    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.

    You don't know "Stonetoss". You've just seen some of his cartoons.

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and "Morgoth".

    I guess I'm glad you have some people you look up to, but, from what I've seen, their output is incredibly low brow, ill-informed, often paranoid and generally repulsive to 99% of white people.

    The last fact, in particular, is going to make them "changing the culture" as you want, or implementing laws, as you want, impossible.

    This is important because you've decided that what is good is protecting the interests of white people, as you define those interests even if it is opposed to the way white people actually define our interests, but you're forgetting that furthering said interests involves more than saying you're furthering them, but actual realistic and practical success in that endeavour. Otherwise, it is just a moral pose that you're making, and given that your heroes' way of talking is counter-productive to their supposed aims, they are about as fake and gay as it is possible to be.

    If any one of 99% of white people stumble on Anglin's "work", they will immediately dislike any political movement associated with him. This means that he is bad for movements associated with him. You might say that such white people lack a sense of humour or understanding that he is a troll and how valuable that is, but your special pleading does not change that fact.

    When a black person complains to me that I am more wary of them being a criminal than others, I will sometimes let them know that they should take that up with the black criminals who create my rational impression. And you should understand why people are more wary of nationalists being antisocial and unpleasant individuals than they are with others. It is the fault, not of Jews or progressives, but nationalists ourselves for so diproportianately being like Anglin or what I've seen of "Keith Woods."

    Persuasion is the only route to success. There is none other that even comes close. And persuasion requires being better. Most people don't have time for complicated ideas, they instead pick based off their feeling about the person articulating those ideas. Anglin is repulsive. Therefore he is only persuasive for people to reject nationalism. There's no magic button for getting around this fact. It just is. And if you're not willing to work in accordance with reality then even your supposed attachment to these politics is fake and gay. A mere trollish pose so that you can feel like you're doing something.

    Replies: @songbird

  1007. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But, if you want to persuade other white people to throw them out, you must at least be able to persuade us to buy them out, and before that, not give affirmative action.
     
    You seem to be talking about elections, a rather implausible path to power, in a corrupt system of collapsing demographics. And in which pols that go off script are immediately and relentlessly demonized (Sometimes literally on magazine covers using Photoshop.)

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture - the one changeable part - is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale. ("White people" vs. "European". "British TV programming from 25 years ago has beautiful white women on it - there is nothing wrong with current British TV. There is nothing wrong with Hollywood."

    Who do you admire?
     
    I admire anyone with enough fighting spirit to challenge the rhetoric of the regime, even if only for an instant before groveling.

    I admire James Watson for speaking the truth, if only once or twice. I admire Scott Adams even though he quickly grovelled. I even admire Larry Summers, though he is probably a vile, exploitative bankster.

    Christopher Rufo, though he race-mixed, and I think he is on a false path, and incapable of contemplating the correct one. I admire Molyneux for having helped popularize people like Helmuth Nyborg and Linda Gottfredson, even though he is a lolbertarian and probably a grifter.

    I admire all the HBD researchers trying to answer politically incorrect questions. I admire Dutton as a popularizer, even though I think a lot of the things he says are daft.

    I admire the Euro women who have the fortitude to pop out eight children.

    But most of all, I admire the humorists and meme-makers ("NOT allow"; "broken branch, ancestor cry"). Stonetoss. Because what the political world needs most of all, IMO, is satire to highlight and lance the boil of the ridiculous. In a way, I even admire the pariah Anglin because I think the world needs trolls, with fighting spirit, even if they can be uncouth. They will inspire others who will have better manners and who will be subtler, but just as relentless and unflappable.

    I think Keith Woods and Morgoth's Review are both fairly high quality in articulating the problem with materialism, and how only nationalism can fill the void. Keith I would say is a little too interested in philosophy for his own good. I don't agree with him on everything - no point in picking sides in the Middle East, IMO - zero payoff and all cost. But I agree with a lot of what he says here:

    https://youtu.be/AR79qGTqPXQ

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You seem to be talking about elections,

    No, I am talking about needing some popular support.

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture – the one changeable part – is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale.

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.

    I admire

    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.

    You don’t know “Stonetoss”. You’ve just seen some of his cartoons.

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and “Morgoth”.

    I guess I’m glad you have some people you look up to, but, from what I’ve seen, their output is incredibly low brow, ill-informed, often paranoid and generally repulsive to 99% of white people.

    The last fact, in particular, is going to make them “changing the culture” as you want, or implementing laws, as you want, impossible.

    This is important because you’ve decided that what is good is protecting the interests of white people, as you define those interests even if it is opposed to the way white people actually define our interests, but you’re forgetting that furthering said interests involves more than saying you’re furthering them, but actual realistic and practical success in that endeavour. Otherwise, it is just a moral pose that you’re making, and given that your heroes’ way of talking is counter-productive to their supposed aims, they are about as fake and gay as it is possible to be.

    If any one of 99% of white people stumble on Anglin’s “work”, they will immediately dislike any political movement associated with him. This means that he is bad for movements associated with him. You might say that such white people lack a sense of humour or understanding that he is a troll and how valuable that is, but your special pleading does not change that fact.

    When a black person complains to me that I am more wary of them being a criminal than others, I will sometimes let them know that they should take that up with the black criminals who create my rational impression. And you should understand why people are more wary of nationalists being antisocial and unpleasant individuals than they are with others. It is the fault, not of Jews or progressives, but nationalists ourselves for so diproportianately being like Anglin or what I’ve seen of “Keith Woods.”

    Persuasion is the only route to success. There is none other that even comes close. And persuasion requires being better. Most people don’t have time for complicated ideas, they instead pick based off their feeling about the person articulating those ideas. Anglin is repulsive. Therefore he is only persuasive for people to reject nationalism. There’s no magic button for getting around this fact. It just is. And if you’re not willing to work in accordance with reality then even your supposed attachment to these politics is fake and gay. A mere trollish pose so that you can feel like you’re doing something.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    or what I’ve seen of “Keith Woods.”
     
    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don't want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?

    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.
     
    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA? Did you not recognize the name, or are you that much of a misanthrope?

    I was merely telling you that a praiseworthy thing is worth admiring, even if it is small. That I can admire moments of light and of fight, even in the retiring.


    You don’t know “Stonetoss”. You’ve just seen some of his cartoons.
     
    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and “Morgoth”.
     
    Anglin was me trolling you. You have an unhealthy obsession with him, after he did not respond to your comments, and I am attempting to ameliorate it, by letting you build up a tolerance for it. Engaging with you, when he would not.

    Someone? I thought you pretended to know Keith enough to judge him? Which is it? Do you know him, or not? And if not, why the rush to denounce him?

    Scare quotes on Morgoth? Are you pulling a Jordan Peterson and saying that anyone who questions the regime should do so openly. FYI, he lives in a country with draconian speech controls, has already been doxed, and has a wife. I do not blame him one bit for wanting to discourage crazies from going after him.

    But I have already told you I don't like name-dropping, and have already established my credentials, so your line of attack is weird.

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.
     
    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.

    Frankly, and I am sure you already understand, you have not even persuaded me that you are a nationalist. Am afraid it takes more than a little roleplay where you type, and I quote: I am a nationalist.

    How can you claim to be a nationalist, without being willing to disclose your ethnic identity, even anonymously? Perhaps, you are using some strange definition? I believe you said "white people", so then you must be a "white nationalist."

    But not me. You.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  1008. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    You seem to be talking about elections,
     
    No, I am talking about needing some popular support.

    Your serious lack seems to be that you think that the current culture – the one changeable part – is AOK, and quickly dismiss any attempt to say that it is not or to change it, on whatever scale.

     

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.

    I admire
     
    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.

    You don't know "Stonetoss". You've just seen some of his cartoons.

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and "Morgoth".

    I guess I'm glad you have some people you look up to, but, from what I've seen, their output is incredibly low brow, ill-informed, often paranoid and generally repulsive to 99% of white people.

    The last fact, in particular, is going to make them "changing the culture" as you want, or implementing laws, as you want, impossible.

    This is important because you've decided that what is good is protecting the interests of white people, as you define those interests even if it is opposed to the way white people actually define our interests, but you're forgetting that furthering said interests involves more than saying you're furthering them, but actual realistic and practical success in that endeavour. Otherwise, it is just a moral pose that you're making, and given that your heroes' way of talking is counter-productive to their supposed aims, they are about as fake and gay as it is possible to be.

    If any one of 99% of white people stumble on Anglin's "work", they will immediately dislike any political movement associated with him. This means that he is bad for movements associated with him. You might say that such white people lack a sense of humour or understanding that he is a troll and how valuable that is, but your special pleading does not change that fact.

    When a black person complains to me that I am more wary of them being a criminal than others, I will sometimes let them know that they should take that up with the black criminals who create my rational impression. And you should understand why people are more wary of nationalists being antisocial and unpleasant individuals than they are with others. It is the fault, not of Jews or progressives, but nationalists ourselves for so diproportianately being like Anglin or what I've seen of "Keith Woods."

    Persuasion is the only route to success. There is none other that even comes close. And persuasion requires being better. Most people don't have time for complicated ideas, they instead pick based off their feeling about the person articulating those ideas. Anglin is repulsive. Therefore he is only persuasive for people to reject nationalism. There's no magic button for getting around this fact. It just is. And if you're not willing to work in accordance with reality then even your supposed attachment to these politics is fake and gay. A mere trollish pose so that you can feel like you're doing something.

    Replies: @songbird

    or what I’ve seen of “Keith Woods.”

    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don’t want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?

    [MORE]

    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.

    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA? Did you not recognize the name, or are you that much of a misanthrope?

    I was merely telling you that a praiseworthy thing is worth admiring, even if it is small. That I can admire moments of light and of fight, even in the retiring.

    You don’t know “Stonetoss”. You’ve just seen some of his cartoons.

    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and “Morgoth”.

    Anglin was me trolling you. You have an unhealthy obsession with him, after he did not respond to your comments, and I am attempting to ameliorate it, by letting you build up a tolerance for it. Engaging with you, when he would not.

    Someone? I thought you pretended to know Keith enough to judge him? Which is it? Do you know him, or not? And if not, why the rush to denounce him?

    Scare quotes on Morgoth? Are you pulling a Jordan Peterson and saying that anyone who questions the regime should do so openly. FYI, he lives in a country with draconian speech controls, has already been doxed, and has a wife. I do not blame him one bit for wanting to discourage crazies from going after him.

    But I have already told you I don’t like name-dropping, and have already established my credentials, so your line of attack is weird.

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.

    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.

    Frankly, and I am sure you already understand, you have not even persuaded me that you are a nationalist. Am afraid it takes more than a little roleplay where you type, and I quote: I am a nationalist.

    How can you claim to be a nationalist, without being willing to disclose your ethnic identity, even anonymously? Perhaps, you are using some strange definition? I believe you said “white people”, so then you must be a “white nationalist.”

    But not me. You.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don’t want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?
     
    His videos are unbearable. They have the typical weepy and maudlin victim-centred assumptions, wrapped in grandiose and ultimately pathetic statements of faux strength, that I expect from such people.

    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.

    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA?
     
    Because that's how your personality is. You dismissed him with contempt in the same sentence you claimed to admire him, when you said that he spoke the truth "only once or twice."

    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

     

    I asked you for some people you admire in this area. Please focus. The words I pick are important.

    The rest of your reply appears to be a rambling fantasy of yours.

    Again, I asked you to name some people you admire and you picked 6 people whom you immediately dismissed with disdain, a cartoonist whom you have now confirmed you don't actually admire, 1 troll whom you now claim you picked to troll and don't actually admire, and 2 extremely low brow nonentities whom you've been unable to identity any positive qualities of.

    I wasn't asking you to establish your credentials. You don't have any. That's fine. I don't care for that. I was instead asking for my own purposes of confirming that you're in this part of politics as a byproduct of the inability of your ego to consciously admire other people you identify with, without picking and critiquing them down, especially if they're on your so-called side.

    In other words, your "culture of critique" is you. In Freudian terms, your superego has run amok. Hence your extremely high disgust reflex, likely odd sexual coping mechanisms, constant rush to judgement, and painful self-disdain that hurts so much you have to project it into others.

    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.
     
    My suggestions are always: know yourself, which requires self-questioning and non-judgemental reflection. And I trust that any people who do this will get exactly what they need and what is best. And since I am strongly biased towards white people, it is most often white people to whom I will direct these suggestions.

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan and all manner of great literature or even religious works.

    Or not, and you can just follow my advice directly. Either way, you will shine and therefore will be much more likely to achieve what your heart desires.

    But sorry I have not suggested that some censor ban something like men holding hands on TV programmes or whatever else sparks a reaction in you. Compared to this, I just don't care.

    Replies: @songbird

  1009. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    or what I’ve seen of “Keith Woods.”
     
    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don't want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?

    The first 6 people you mention are not people you admire. You expressed strong contempt for them even in the sentences where you claimed to admire them.
     
    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA? Did you not recognize the name, or are you that much of a misanthrope?

    I was merely telling you that a praiseworthy thing is worth admiring, even if it is small. That I can admire moments of light and of fight, even in the retiring.


    You don’t know “Stonetoss”. You’ve just seen some of his cartoons.
     
    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

    This leaves Andrew Anglin, someone called Keith Woods and “Morgoth”.
     
    Anglin was me trolling you. You have an unhealthy obsession with him, after he did not respond to your comments, and I am attempting to ameliorate it, by letting you build up a tolerance for it. Engaging with you, when he would not.

    Someone? I thought you pretended to know Keith enough to judge him? Which is it? Do you know him, or not? And if not, why the rush to denounce him?

    Scare quotes on Morgoth? Are you pulling a Jordan Peterson and saying that anyone who questions the regime should do so openly. FYI, he lives in a country with draconian speech controls, has already been doxed, and has a wife. I do not blame him one bit for wanting to discourage crazies from going after him.

    But I have already told you I don't like name-dropping, and have already established my credentials, so your line of attack is weird.

    No, I think that changing cultural outputs requires persuasion.
     
    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.

    Frankly, and I am sure you already understand, you have not even persuaded me that you are a nationalist. Am afraid it takes more than a little roleplay where you type, and I quote: I am a nationalist.

    How can you claim to be a nationalist, without being willing to disclose your ethnic identity, even anonymously? Perhaps, you are using some strange definition? I believe you said "white people", so then you must be a "white nationalist."

    But not me. You.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don’t want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?

    His videos are unbearable. They have the typical weepy and maudlin victim-centred assumptions, wrapped in grandiose and ultimately pathetic statements of faux strength, that I expect from such people.

    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.

    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA?

    Because that’s how your personality is. You dismissed him with contempt in the same sentence you claimed to admire him, when you said that he spoke the truth “only once or twice.”

    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

    I asked you for some people you admire in this area. Please focus. The words I pick are important.

    The rest of your reply appears to be a rambling fantasy of yours.

    Again, I asked you to name some people you admire and you picked 6 people whom you immediately dismissed with disdain, a cartoonist whom you have now confirmed you don’t actually admire, 1 troll whom you now claim you picked to troll and don’t actually admire, and 2 extremely low brow nonentities whom you’ve been unable to identity any positive qualities of.

    I wasn’t asking you to establish your credentials. You don’t have any. That’s fine. I don’t care for that. I was instead asking for my own purposes of confirming that you’re in this part of politics as a byproduct of the inability of your ego to consciously admire other people you identify with, without picking and critiquing them down, especially if they’re on your so-called side.

    In other words, your “culture of critique” is you. In Freudian terms, your superego has run amok. Hence your extremely high disgust reflex, likely odd sexual coping mechanisms, constant rush to judgement, and painful self-disdain that hurts so much you have to project it into others.

    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.

    My suggestions are always: know yourself, which requires self-questioning and non-judgemental reflection. And I trust that any people who do this will get exactly what they need and what is best. And since I am strongly biased towards white people, it is most often white people to whom I will direct these suggestions.

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan and all manner of great literature or even religious works.

    Or not, and you can just follow my advice directly. Either way, you will shine and therefore will be much more likely to achieve what your heart desires.

    But sorry I have not suggested that some censor ban something like men holding hands on TV programmes or whatever else sparks a reaction in you. Compared to this, I just don’t care.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.
     
    If you were interested, you would search yourself.

    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples. Why not say "Me, Myself, and I" instead?

    The words I pick are important.
     
    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan
     
    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case.

    My suggestions are always: know yourself
     
    That's an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

  1010. @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    Why the quotes? Are you telling me, it is a nom de guerre, but don’t want to dox him? And why not say something specific, rather than express vague disapproval?
     
    His videos are unbearable. They have the typical weepy and maudlin victim-centred assumptions, wrapped in grandiose and ultimately pathetic statements of faux strength, that I expect from such people.

    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.

    How could I have contempt for a nonagenarian genius who was co-discoverer of the molecular structure of DNA?
     
    Because that's how your personality is. You dismissed him with contempt in the same sentence you claimed to admire him, when you said that he spoke the truth "only once or twice."

    Do you have to know the artist, to admire the painting? The humorist, to admire the joke?

     

    I asked you for some people you admire in this area. Please focus. The words I pick are important.

    The rest of your reply appears to be a rambling fantasy of yours.

    Again, I asked you to name some people you admire and you picked 6 people whom you immediately dismissed with disdain, a cartoonist whom you have now confirmed you don't actually admire, 1 troll whom you now claim you picked to troll and don't actually admire, and 2 extremely low brow nonentities whom you've been unable to identity any positive qualities of.

    I wasn't asking you to establish your credentials. You don't have any. That's fine. I don't care for that. I was instead asking for my own purposes of confirming that you're in this part of politics as a byproduct of the inability of your ego to consciously admire other people you identify with, without picking and critiquing them down, especially if they're on your so-called side.

    In other words, your "culture of critique" is you. In Freudian terms, your superego has run amok. Hence your extremely high disgust reflex, likely odd sexual coping mechanisms, constant rush to judgement, and painful self-disdain that hurts so much you have to project it into others.

    You have never made any cultural suggestions that I can recall, unless you count punching right.
     
    My suggestions are always: know yourself, which requires self-questioning and non-judgemental reflection. And I trust that any people who do this will get exactly what they need and what is best. And since I am strongly biased towards white people, it is most often white people to whom I will direct these suggestions.

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan and all manner of great literature or even religious works.

    Or not, and you can just follow my advice directly. Either way, you will shine and therefore will be much more likely to achieve what your heart desires.

    But sorry I have not suggested that some censor ban something like men holding hands on TV programmes or whatever else sparks a reaction in you. Compared to this, I just don't care.

    Replies: @songbird

    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.

    If you were interested, you would search yourself.

    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples. Why not say “Me, Myself, and I” instead?

    The words I pick are important.

    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan

    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case.

    My suggestions are always: know yourself

    That’s an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird


    That’s an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.
     

    Freud is the wisdom of Greek myths put into scientistic terminology. That's all.

    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case
     
    By trying to get you to face yourself, I am picking the hardest challenge. I could easily persuade you of any ignorance I wanted, but I'm disinterested in that.

    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?
     
    To get you to know yourself.

    If you were interested, you would search yourself.
     
    I'm not interested in them. I am interested in you, so that I can serve as a temporary substitute for your lack of interest in yourself and as a bridge to you gaining a deeper level of awareness.
    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples.
     
    I am, I would guess I am closer to his target audience. Probably he has disproportionate numbers of Irish or Irish descent followers, and Catholic or post-Catholic. His interests in philosophy (Traditionalism etc.) seem to reflect this.

    Morgoth is from the same part of England as me and I have known plenty of people from his sort of background, but not usually as articulate or original in their political ideas. I think Morgoth and Keith are often trying to defend neglected aspects of the culture and interests of their particular groups in changing times, as much as aiming to win governmental power.

    Nationalism is likely more natural in smaller countries (I know nationalism is mainstream in Belarus for similar reasons to Ireland), compared to a medium sized developed nation like the UK taken as a whole. Outside of the 'Celtic fringe', the British middle and upper classes are probably less nationalist in their way of thinking than in most other European countries, a legacy of the imperial and global orientation Britain had for so long.

    Replies: @songbird

  1011. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Leaves No Shadow"] says:
    @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.
     
    If you were interested, you would search yourself.

    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples. Why not say "Me, Myself, and I" instead?

    The words I pick are important.
     
    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan
     
    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case.

    My suggestions are always: know yourself
     
    That's an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

    That’s an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.

    Freud is the wisdom of Greek myths put into scientistic terminology. That’s all.

    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case

    By trying to get you to face yourself, I am picking the hardest challenge. I could easily persuade you of any ignorance I wanted, but I’m disinterested in that.

    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?

    To get you to know yourself.

    If you were interested, you would search yourself.

    I’m not interested in them. I am interested in you, so that I can serve as a temporary substitute for your lack of interest in yourself and as a bridge to you gaining a deeper level of awareness.

  1012. @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Give me an article where he expresses something and please try to avoid what I decry above.
     
    If you were interested, you would search yourself.

    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples. Why not say "Me, Myself, and I" instead?

    The words I pick are important.
     
    What is the point of this excercise? For me to convince you to be a nationalist, by directing you to the reading material of real nationalists? Or for me to give more names for you to express vague disapproval of? Why would I jump through your hoops, when you consistently doge my own requests?

    As part of this, you can study Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, late Wittgenstein, Freud, Jung, Lacan
     
    Are these the people who helped you self-improve? And turned you into such a great persuader? LMAO, perhaps I should avoid them in that case.

    My suggestions are always: know yourself
     
    That's an ancient Greek aphorism.

    Granted, they did believe in oracles and in making sacrifices, but I suspect they would have drawn the line at Freudism, and cringed at hearing your psychobabble, and will to power.

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    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples.

    I am, I would guess I am closer to his target audience. Probably he has disproportionate numbers of Irish or Irish descent followers, and Catholic or post-Catholic. His interests in philosophy (Traditionalism etc.) seem to reflect this.

    Morgoth is from the same part of England as me and I have known plenty of people from his sort of background, but not usually as articulate or original in their political ideas. I think Morgoth and Keith are often trying to defend neglected aspects of the culture and interests of their particular groups in changing times, as much as aiming to win governmental power.

    Nationalism is likely more natural in smaller countries (I know nationalism is mainstream in Belarus for similar reasons to Ireland), compared to a medium sized developed nation like the UK taken as a whole. Outside of the ‘Celtic fringe’, the British middle and upper classes are probably less nationalist in their way of thinking than in most other European countries, a legacy of the imperial and global orientation Britain had for so long.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Interestingly, Morgoth is supposedly part Irish himself, though he only recently found out and make a trip there.

    I think there's some conception that the Cavaliers or traditionalists were always the more Celtic people, and that was even true in the American Civil War, though I don't know if there is really anything to the theory or not. There are probably a lot of conflates, such as geography.

  1013. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Coconuts seems to be a fan. If you are expressing disapproval of anyone who is, then I guess that would only leave you, in your original assertion claiming to be a nationalist, and referencing yourself first in your two examples.
     
    I am, I would guess I am closer to his target audience. Probably he has disproportionate numbers of Irish or Irish descent followers, and Catholic or post-Catholic. His interests in philosophy (Traditionalism etc.) seem to reflect this.

    Morgoth is from the same part of England as me and I have known plenty of people from his sort of background, but not usually as articulate or original in their political ideas. I think Morgoth and Keith are often trying to defend neglected aspects of the culture and interests of their particular groups in changing times, as much as aiming to win governmental power.

    Nationalism is likely more natural in smaller countries (I know nationalism is mainstream in Belarus for similar reasons to Ireland), compared to a medium sized developed nation like the UK taken as a whole. Outside of the 'Celtic fringe', the British middle and upper classes are probably less nationalist in their way of thinking than in most other European countries, a legacy of the imperial and global orientation Britain had for so long.

    Replies: @songbird

    Interestingly, Morgoth is supposedly part Irish himself, though he only recently found out and make a trip there.

    I think there’s some conception that the Cavaliers or traditionalists were always the more Celtic people, and that was even true in the American Civil War, though I don’t know if there is really anything to the theory or not. There are probably a lot of conflates, such as geography.

  1014. Interestingly, Morgoth is supposedly part Irish himself, though he only recently found out and make a trip there.

    I heard about that as well, I think there are a lot of people in Northern England with some Irish ancestry, just from the numbers who came to work in all the industries during the 19th-20th centuries. When you see Catholic churches built during that time it’s often suggestive of an Irish presence, there were very few English Catholics left by the 18th century.

    I think there’s some conception that the Cavaliers or traditionalists were always the more Celtic people, and that was even true in the American Civil War, though I don’t know if there is really anything to the theory or not. There are probably a lot of conflates, such as geography.

    I was thinking about this, the Catholic Irish were definitely more on the side of king during the English Civil Wars, and again in 1688, probably in 1745 as well?. The French nationalists used to write about the dangers of excessive individualism and the spirit of revolt latent in Protestantism undermining social groupings. There might have been other reasons like the rural/urban divide, and peasants and people working on the land tending to ally with traditionalist aristocrats against the middle classes.

    My dad has been listening to a lot of Scottish and Irish folk music lately and I heard this one that I liked:

    I looked up what the lyrics mean, the origin of them seems quite appropriate for this sort of discussion.

    • Thanks: songbird

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