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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

Meanwhile, I’ve published another couple of articles on the Neocons, which have gotten favorable comments:

https://www.unz.com/runz/dislodging-the-neocons-difficult-but-necessary/

https://www.unz.com/runz/the-neocons-and-their-rise-to-power/

And here’s an excellent interview with Jeffrey Sachs regarding the emerging multipolar world:

 
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  1. QCIC says:

    What is the latest on the body count for mRNA side effects? Can someone link to a summary?

    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections? Can a patient’s DNA (or RNA?) be sequenced to gather this information?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    What is the latest on the body count for mRNA side effects?
     
    That psy-op is over, we are in the middle of the next one.

    Can a patient’s DNA (or RNA?) be sequenced to gather this information?
     
    Possibly, but who is going to fund it? The same cabal that made lots of money on the “mRNA vaccines” (which are neither mRNA nor vaccines)? Or the government wholly owned by the same cabal?

    If any such study can be attempted, it can only be outside of the imperial patch.
    , @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections?
     
    It doesn't seem like there is any (practical) way for us to separate the two. I think that the 'Vid has plenty of its' own potential long term issues, but there is demonstrably no benefit to me taking any of the shots so I'm not going to double down on risk factors.

    As AnonfromTN said, we're likely going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts, and the important thing will be to keep perspective on what we all can control and act accordingly.

    Proper mental, emotional, and spiritual hygiene will continue to be important to avoid getting unhinged. All lot of people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue. Yevardian and GermanReader are probably not far off the mark with their reading decisions as far as a way cultivate perspective and to avoid obsession with the latest freak-outs.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

  2. Neocons and global imperial policy are a lot more worthy of discussion that various regional conflicts between the empire and the 4/5th of the world that refuses to toe the imperial line.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Neocons do not understand modern physics.

    https://i.redd.it/y0eeki5qyaya1.png

  3. @QCIC
    What is the latest on the body count for mRNA side effects? Can someone link to a summary?

    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections? Can a patient's DNA (or RNA?) be sequenced to gather this information?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    What is the latest on the body count for mRNA side effects?

    That psy-op is over, we are in the middle of the next one.

    Can a patient’s DNA (or RNA?) be sequenced to gather this information?

    Possibly, but who is going to fund it? The same cabal that made lots of money on the “mRNA vaccines” (which are neither mRNA nor vaccines)? Or the government wholly owned by the same cabal?

    If any such study can be attempted, it can only be outside of the imperial patch.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  4. A123 says: • Website

    Open Thread Humor

     

     

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Sher Singh, Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Real chads don't care - the more open gays out there, the more women available to choose from and lesbians aren't lesbians anymore when they meet you;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sher Singh

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2023328/rs_1200x1200-230428151502-1200-King-Charles-Coronation.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Haruto Rat
    @A123

    Indeed. Even people who were born in the Soviet Union and hence had stupidity training from an early age – even they aren't prepared.

  5. @A123
    Open Thread Humor

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjW5JHe3wTcbj6aJsdlL_Cys_jpARLbv13Zc2eW8wG3dPJ5yrqQ-4sKk_YlkhuqGj41BKe_pI4T0TD7GWf4JIymKB4e8T7sTFjgHdNjKO5_NMHRhY20d8qwUx7OVLl8P7YZK9VNDgsfiEeToCIV0hiATGh_yQXgW2Ysp_V0yi7DfnSlgAihQr9FVOpAmw/s788/11.png
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Haruto Rat

    Real chads don’t care – the more open gays out there, the more women available to choose from and lesbians aren’t lesbians anymore when they meet you;)

    • LOL: A123, LatW, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    In this context gay doesn’t refer to homos.

    , @Sher Singh
    @sudden death


    ਨਮੋ ਅਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਾਣੇ ॥
    Salute to the one who Enjoys Projectiles !

    - Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Jaap Sahib, verse 52

    ਚੱਕ੍ਰ ਬੱਕ੍ਰ ਫਿਰੈ ਚਤੁਰ ਚਕ ਮਾਨਹੀ ਪੁਰਿ ਤੀਨ ॥
    With a bent chakar you roam the four directions,
    All the three worlds submit to You

    Guru Gobind Singh
    Jaap Sahib, verse 82
     


    ਪੋਸਤ ਭੰਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਸ਼ਰਾਬੈਂ । ਝਟਕ ਬੱਕਰੇ ਛਕੈਂ ਕਬਾਬੈ । ਖੇਲਹਿ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਅਪਾਰੇ । ਮਾਰਹਿਂ ਬਾਘ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਝੰਖਾਰੇ ।੧੧੫।⁣
    [Consuming] poppy plants, cannabis, opium, and alcohol, they would decapitate [jhatka] goats, and eat kebabs. Everyday they would hunt endlessly, killing leopards, deer and elk. ⁣

    ਬੀਸ ਪਚਾਸ ਸਿੰਘ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਵੈਂ । ਇਤ ਉਤ ਤੈ ਗ੍ਰਾਮਨ ਲੁਟ ਲ੍ਯਾਵੈਂ । ਦੂਰ ਦੇਸ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਕੇ ਮਾਂਹੀ । ਮਾਰਹਿਂ ਧਾਰੇ ਸੰਕਹਿਂ ਨਾਹੀ ।੧੧੬|
    When twenty to fifty Singhs would meet together, they would roam around looting various towns. They would go great distances, into the heartland of the Turks, raiding them fearlessly.

    Navin Panth Prakash [1880], author: Giani Gian Singh ⁣
    Poorabardh Bisram 62, Volume 3, Page 1594
     

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CMFfE4bMATW/

    ਅਕਾਲ

  6. @sudden death
    @A123

    Real chads don't care - the more open gays out there, the more women available to choose from and lesbians aren't lesbians anymore when they meet you;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sher Singh

    In this context gay doesn’t refer to homos.

  7. My reply to John Johnson from the last thread about the Brendan Simms book Hitler: Only The World Was Enough

    He didn’t rail against the Soviets in his Munich speeches because he made a secret deal with Stalin to split Poland and the Baltics.

    The speeches I was referring to were way back in 1923 approximately. As I said I’m only a few chapters into the book so I don’t know yet how Simms addresses Hitler’s views in the late 1930s.

  8. @AnonfromTN
    Neocons and global imperial policy are a lot more worthy of discussion that various regional conflicts between the empire and the 4/5th of the world that refuses to toe the imperial line.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Neocons do not understand modern physics.

  9. Sher Singh says:
    @sudden death
    @A123

    Real chads don't care - the more open gays out there, the more women available to choose from and lesbians aren't lesbians anymore when they meet you;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sher Singh

    ਨਮੋ ਅਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਾਣੇ ॥
    Salute to the one who Enjoys Projectiles !

    – Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Jaap Sahib, verse 52

    ਚੱਕ੍ਰ ਬੱਕ੍ਰ ਫਿਰੈ ਚਤੁਰ ਚਕ ਮਾਨਹੀ ਪੁਰਿ ਤੀਨ ॥
    With a bent chakar you roam the four directions,
    All the three worlds submit to You

    Guru Gobind Singh
    Jaap Sahib, verse 82

    ਪੋਸਤ ਭੰਗ ਅਫੀਮ ਸ਼ਰਾਬੈਂ । ਝਟਕ ਬੱਕਰੇ ਛਕੈਂ ਕਬਾਬੈ । ਖੇਲਹਿ ਨਿੱਤ ਸ਼ਿਕਾਰ ਅਪਾਰੇ । ਮਾਰਹਿਂ ਬਾਘ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਝੰਖਾਰੇ ।੧੧੫।⁣
    [Consuming] poppy plants, cannabis, opium, and alcohol, they would decapitate [jhatka] goats, and eat kebabs. Everyday they would hunt endlessly, killing leopards, deer and elk. ⁣

    ਬੀਸ ਪਚਾਸ ਸਿੰਘ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਵੈਂ । ਇਤ ਉਤ ਤੈ ਗ੍ਰਾਮਨ ਲੁਟ ਲ੍ਯਾਵੈਂ । ਦੂਰ ਦੇਸ ਤੁਰਕਨ ਕੇ ਮਾਂਹੀ । ਮਾਰਹਿਂ ਧਾਰੇ ਸੰਕਹਿਂ ਨਾਹੀ ।੧੧੬|
    When twenty to fifty Singhs would meet together, they would roam around looting various towns. They would go great distances, into the heartland of the Turks, raiding them fearlessly.

    Navin Panth Prakash [1880], author: Giani Gian Singh ⁣
    Poorabardh Bisram 62, Volume 3, Page 1594

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CMFfE4bMATW/

    ਅਕਾਲ

  10. @A123
    Open Thread Humor

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjW5JHe3wTcbj6aJsdlL_Cys_jpARLbv13Zc2eW8wG3dPJ5yrqQ-4sKk_YlkhuqGj41BKe_pI4T0TD7GWf4JIymKB4e8T7sTFjgHdNjKO5_NMHRhY20d8qwUx7OVLl8P7YZK9VNDgsfiEeToCIV0hiATGh_yQXgW2Ysp_V0yi7DfnSlgAihQr9FVOpAmw/s788/11.png
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Haruto Rat

    • LOL: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI0M1gxNTAw/z/nhcAAOSwzxhiegJz/$_1.JPG

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/282929961324

    Replies: @A123

  11. Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?

    A Jew and a Muslim walk into a Bakhmut bar……

    Bartender says……. Anglin and Pepe will definitely not report on this.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are doing propaganda for stupid people. What's the point of that?

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Zelko U-turned on a dime after his election - was told what to do. The French-Germans are vassals they do as the boss says - always and everywhere. Any 'conflict' restrictions by Nato would be papered over. Nato was moving into Ukraine. You know that, you just lie because that truth messes up your narrative.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn't matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming? You write for morons, or you are one yourself. (Hurrah for Mr. Hacks)

    It is impossible to take your stuff seriously. It is too transparently one-sided. Yes, at the end the odds are that MAD would work. But the neo-cons seem to be as stupid as you are thinking that magic will intervene. So they push on around the world attacking country after country (you want talk about 'aggression', how about that?), failing each time, but since the West is now composed of brainwashed scared conformists there are no consequences for them. That is the real failure in the West that may cost all of us dearly.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @PetrOldSack

    , @Fidelios Automata
    @John Johnson

    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  12. @John Johnson
    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurMUCJ23to

    A Jew and a Muslim walk into a Bakhmut bar......

    Bartender says....... Anglin and Pepe will definitely not report on this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @Fidelios Automata

    You are doing propaganda for stupid people. What’s the point of that?

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Zelko U-turned on a dime after his election – was told what to do. The French-Germans are vassals they do as the boss says – always and everywhere. Any ‘conflict’ restrictions by Nato would be papered over. Nato was moving into Ukraine. You know that, you just lie because that truth messes up your narrative.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn’t matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming? You write for morons, or you are one yourself. (Hurrah for Mr. Hacks)

    It is impossible to take your stuff seriously. It is too transparently one-sided. Yes, at the end the odds are that MAD would work. But the neo-cons seem to be as stupid as you are thinking that magic will intervene. So they push on around the world attacking country after country (you want talk about ‘aggression’, how about that?), failing each time, but since the West is now composed of brainwashed scared conformists there are no consequences for them. That is the real failure in the West that may cost all of us dearly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Ok why don't you source those formal announcements then? Let's see those announcements from 2018 and 2019. Or everyone will see that you are making stuff up in a sad attempt at defending the dictator.

    NATO is not a hierarchy and joining requires the vote of every member. America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.

    Germany and France did not want Ukraine to join before the war:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis

    You're not providing any sources for any of your statements. I have provided numerous sources showing that Ukraine did not have the votes and was not in the process of applying.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn’t matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming?

    It doesn't matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines and you still didn't answer these questions:

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?

    Why aren't there nuclear missiles in Poland if first-strike flight time matters?

    Russia doesn't need nuclear silos in Cuba. The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. In a first strike attack they could position their submarines on both sides of the country. You don't seem up to date on existing technologies and mistakenly trusted an ex-KGB rat and known liar to provide an ever-changing explanation for a war of greed and expansion.

    Putin's own allies mysteriously fall down stairs and out of windows:
    https://www.newsweek.com/every-russian-oligarch-who-has-died-since-putin-invaded-ukraine-full-list-1700022

    But here you are trusting his word on nuclear silos and submarines. Next time try fact checking him instead of turning off your mind in favor of an emotional tribal attachment to him.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

  13. @A123
    Open Thread Humor

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjW5JHe3wTcbj6aJsdlL_Cys_jpARLbv13Zc2eW8wG3dPJ5yrqQ-4sKk_YlkhuqGj41BKe_pI4T0TD7GWf4JIymKB4e8T7sTFjgHdNjKO5_NMHRhY20d8qwUx7OVLl8P7YZK9VNDgsfiEeToCIV0hiATGh_yQXgW2Ysp_V0yi7DfnSlgAihQr9FVOpAmw/s788/11.png
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Haruto Rat

    Indeed. Even people who were born in the Soviet Union and hence had stupidity training from an early age – even they aren’t prepared.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  14. Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    The Church Militantstein.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?
     
    The number of human facial types is large, but finite. So, this resemblance hardly proves anything. Finite number of facial types makes it possible for people with enough resources to have “doubles” and use them.

    Sometimes I see faces eerily resembling the faces of other people I know. I am pretty sure that any observant person had this experience. So what?
    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I thought he looked familiar!

    , @Sean
    @sudden death

    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/np_file_195183.jpeg


    General Surovikin and Prigozhin have been ordered to put their heads together--even if it results in them making an ass of themselves.

    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other; both have been at the front where they had very close shaves.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  15. @John Johnson
    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurMUCJ23to

    A Jew and a Muslim walk into a Bakhmut bar......

    Bartender says....... Anglin and Pepe will definitely not report on this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @Fidelios Automata

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    Scarpering away to avoid being murdered by your (((fellow Ukies))) to hold a trench in Donbas is a good evolutionary strategy. Right now Zelenskyy is doing a tour of Europe pressuring the governments to hand him back his Christian cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @LatW
    @Sean


    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.
     
    Very unfair to Russian speaking Ukrainian patriots! Sure, many are probably mobilized against their will (it's a large population). But the Russian speakers of Ukraine are some of the most dedicated patriots and also the most effective. There are also a few very seasoned and competent military analysts who are former officers. These Russian speakers are a real treasure trove. I would say they are the crème de la crème. At least in my book.

    Of course, they all understand Ukrainian, too.

    And, btw, Wagner is not all convicts, by far. The core of Wagner are very serious, professional fighters (if one can distance oneself from Wagner's general global image).

    Replies: @Sean

    , @PetrOldSack
    @Sean

    They would have "fled" on any invitation [the EU/UK borders being open barn doors] to form packs of stray-dogs around garbage cans [welfare] at the outskirts of London. Western and Eastern Ukrainians alike. The packs would be undistinguishable, mergeable, and sharing the battle cry "never go back".

    It reminds me of Colombians selling organs to get to the US. "Si te vayas, a que te vayas bien. Si no, no vuelves."

    Who benefits of these weaponized migrations? Our elites, why? Political dominance of a stressed herd easy to be-fiddle, as we see now, potential canon fodder mining, proxy conflict seedlings, empty-ing the lands for corporate mining, agriculture, experimenting [in the case of Ukraine 600.000 square kilometres, the size of Germanies + Poland is contested]. Have the back and forth goodwil of the left-behinds, their financial dependence on their siblings in the EU/UK. The possibilities are endless.

    The Finance Cabal has won some substantial victories in that sense. They stride borders, nation states do not, they have tribal loyalties and proffer globalism to the masses, ...no qualms about man-meat but for means to and end. They stride all horses, thus in the end, Russia and China as much if they hold back half-way is an indication. Multi-polarity, my *ss.

    Pertinent or coincidental detail Prigozhin, ratted out as an "oligarch", a Jew. Obscured on all sides of "media", who runs Russia, or rather which "oligarchs"? There is diplomacy going on, between all parties, out of the public's face. An "autonomous" nation is just a front, as much as a morphing corporation [Bayer, Monsanto, Ukraine, Russia, US, Nestle, Black-Rock, CIA], all in the same listing. The question for now is indeed as to who will be attributed what. Elites infighting in a planet of want.

  16. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    https://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2023328/rs_1200x1200-230428151502-1200-King-Charles-Coronation.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    What Marvel comic featured those hats? Those are even worse than the Gauntlet.

    The King is a mutant. The stones are on the back of the gauntlet. So, his right thumb is on the outside of his arm.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/joyce_carol_oates_king_charles_thanos_glove_5-6-23.jpg

     
    https://marveltoynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hot-Toys-Infinity-Gauntlet-Quarter-Scale-Replica.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

  17. @sudden death
    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/hGqMHNvC/prigozhin-pope.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Sean

    The Church Militantstein.

  18. @Sean
    @John Johnson

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @PetrOldSack

    Scarpering away to avoid being murdered by your (((fellow Ukies))) to hold a trench in Donbas is a good evolutionary strategy. Right now Zelenskyy is doing a tour of Europe pressuring the governments to hand him back his Christian cannon fodder.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    America does not want escalation in case Russia does something "irrational", which is prolly what it would be rational for them to do. Why else is the US denying Ukraine ATACMS and F-16's. America easily could jam the Russian Global Positioning System alternative GLONASS and the Russian missiles would cease to work

    According to the excellent analyst Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner, Russia is a frog being slowly boiled. Russia ought to have already taken drastic action to break out of the the prospect ofa Ukrainian army 100% armed with Western technology. . I don't see the Kremlin being good sports and simply withdrawing once they realise they are screwed. Use of nuclear weapons need not be done in order to win, it might be purely vindictive-- an act of vengeance for relegating Russia to a second rate power, Brigadier Vad suggested that is the way things are going.

  19. The full WEC replay is available:
    6 Hours of Spa

    I’m backing Corvette in the GTE category. While there are 2 Cadillacs in HyperCar, it does not seem like the track suits their package.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123

    The full Creventic replay is available:
    12 Hours of Spa

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIMk2b3RR08

    No... I am not double posting. This is an entirely different event held at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

  20. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are doing propaganda for stupid people. What's the point of that?

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Zelko U-turned on a dime after his election - was told what to do. The French-Germans are vassals they do as the boss says - always and everywhere. Any 'conflict' restrictions by Nato would be papered over. Nato was moving into Ukraine. You know that, you just lie because that truth messes up your narrative.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn't matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming? You write for morons, or you are one yourself. (Hurrah for Mr. Hacks)

    It is impossible to take your stuff seriously. It is too transparently one-sided. Yes, at the end the odds are that MAD would work. But the neo-cons seem to be as stupid as you are thinking that magic will intervene. So they push on around the world attacking country after country (you want talk about 'aggression', how about that?), failing each time, but since the West is now composed of brainwashed scared conformists there are no consequences for them. That is the real failure in the West that may cost all of us dearly.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Ok why don’t you source those formal announcements then? Let’s see those announcements from 2018 and 2019. Or everyone will see that you are making stuff up in a sad attempt at defending the dictator.

    NATO is not a hierarchy and joining requires the vote of every member. America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.

    Germany and France did not want Ukraine to join before the war:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis

    You’re not providing any sources for any of your statements. I have provided numerous sources showing that Ukraine did not have the votes and was not in the process of applying.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn’t matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming?

    It doesn’t matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines and you still didn’t answer these questions:

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?

    Why aren’t there nuclear missiles in Poland if first-strike flight time matters?

    Russia doesn’t need nuclear silos in Cuba. The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. In a first strike attack they could position their submarines on both sides of the country. You don’t seem up to date on existing technologies and mistakenly trusted an ex-KGB rat and known liar to provide an ever-changing explanation for a war of greed and expansion.

    Putin’s own allies mysteriously fall down stairs and out of windows:
    https://www.newsweek.com/every-russian-oligarch-who-has-died-since-putin-invaded-ukraine-full-list-1700022

    But here you are trusting his word on nuclear silos and submarines. Next time try fact checking him instead of turning off your mind in favor of an emotional tribal attachment to him.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    I asked you before to google the Nato meetings from 2009 till 2022 and read for yourself that each year Nato reaffirmed that "Ukraine will join Nato". Your inability or unwillingness to do something so simple speaks for itself - you prefer to lie to us and distract with Luxemburg...You also ignore the fact that Nato membership is in the Ukraine Constitution.


    America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.
     
    Riiight. You couldn't possibly be that stupid, so you are simply lying. As I said, you are a propagandist for stupid people....

    It doesn’t matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines
     
    If it doesn't matter, are you ok with Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba? Answer the f..ing question and stop distracting. Multiple delivery methods give you more power. Poland is substantially further from Moscow or Urals than Ukraine...but as I said, you must know all of this, you just need to lie because admitting what was obvious to everyone that Nato was moving into Ukraine and would over time turn it into an anti-Russia military base doesn't fit your propaganda.

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?
     
    First if all there are no nukes in Germany. But being closer to their targets (Moscow) allows for a better threat in a crisis. The idiot neo-cons may choose to gamble that a first fast strike on Russia (Moscow) will incapacitate Russia and they will not respond or respond feebly (only bye, bye Poland). We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades - any normal country would account for that.

    So Russia decided to block Nato from moving into Ukraine. They are succeeding. As in the Aesop fable about sour grapes you now pretend that "Nato never wanted to be in Ukraine"...it is a lie with sour grapes. You are a sorry case.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ, you need to improve your batting average.

    If Russia is surrounded by bases directly on her border, including missile sites, it makes a difference to her security. That is one of the key points. Ukraine is a major test case for the West, if they can get bases there, it becomes more likely to get them in other countries.

    When a military response has been set in motion (such as Russia, late 2021) no reasonable person expects the leadership to divulge information which puts their own troops at risk or reduces chances for a last minute peaceful settlement. Some of your points are valid, but this is silly, you need to find another argument.

    I think NATO needs a new name to help people understand the situation better. I propose ARTO; "Are-toe" is the Anti-Russia Treaty Organization.

  21. While Chinese factories have installed 6,000 private 5G broadband networks to support AI applications in manufacturing, only a handful of large US manufacturers have done or are planning to do so. […] A key obstacle to 5G adoption in the United States is a cumbersome regulatory framework that makes it hard for private networks to gain access to wireless spectrum. “Spectrum supply is also a serious problem and part of why we haven’t seen more commitment to onshore, non-consumer 5G,” a US official told Asia Times […] Because of these obstacles, one US official said, “It might well be more than five years before any spectrum designated for commercialization is brought to market, and probably another year before there’s significant service available.”

    https://asiatimes.com/2023/05/fourth-industrial-revolution-slow-to-start-in-america/

  22. A123 says: • Website

    (from prior thread)

    Israelis attend a rally in support of plans by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to overhaul the judicial system,

     

    Seeing a gathering without the SJW Muslim rainbow flag is a good sign.

    IslamoGloboHomo is losing.
    Judeo-Christian values are winning.

    Rainbow flag is one of the symbols in many of the protests in Israel.

    I agree… The SJW Muslim rainbow flag is on display in protests *against* Judaism and Judeo-Christian values. Dhimmis carry a flag that openly proclaims their submission to Muhammad.

    Do you see any SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags. Could the correlation be any more obvious?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123


    no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags.

     

    Local governments in Israel even adds the rainbow flags. Rainbow flag is especially in the areas of Israel where the population goes to the army, pays a lot of taxes etc.

    It's possible some areas of Israel could enter competitions for some of the world's most LGBT symbolism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNOzanuyXgk

    There is local taxpayer's rainbow flags.

    Also see there are not protests against the local government paying for rainbow flags. Perhaps you can hypothesize, many local people like the LGBT flags there.


    SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists
     
    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology which is more compatible to right-wing values.

    But probably there is some more complicated reality here, which doesn't match questions about logical consistency.

    Although there is some things now which are seen as more right-wing like the militarism and religion, Israel also lot of the 20th century centreleft politics, feminism, welfare state etc.

    This has not been always so fashionable with left in the West especially after maybe the 1960s. I would say Israel's local politics views can be more like your favorite people Joe Biden or Bill Clinton, although less like AOC.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  23. The role that technology plays in reducing humanity’s dependence on nature explains this paradox. Human technologies, from those that first enabled agriculture to replace hunting and gathering, to those that drive today’s globalized economy, have made humans less reliant upon the many ecosystems that once provided their only sustenance, even as those same ecosystems have often been left deeply damaged.

    Despite frequent assertions starting in the 1970s of fundamental “limits to growth,” there is still remarkably little evidence that human population and economic expansion will outstrip the capacity to grow food or procure critical material resources in the foreseeable future.

    To the degree to which there are fixed physical boundaries to human consumption, they are so theoretical as to be functionally irrelevant. The amount of solar radiation that hits the Earth, for instance, is ultimately finite but represents no meaningful constraint upon human endeavors. Human civilization can flourish for centuries and millennia on energy delivered from a closed uranium or thorium fuel cycle, or from hydrogen-deuterium fusion. With proper management, humans are at no risk of lacking sufficient agricultural land for food. Given plentiful land and unlimited energy, substitutes for other material inputs to human well-being can easily be found if those inputs become scarce or expensive.

    http://www.ecomodernism.org/manifesto-english

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    The huge risk in eco modernism is this phrase "With proper management, humans are at no risk". Improper management defines the human condition. The are a host of planetary death scenarios due to human error, incompetence, or malice.
    ____

    Larry Niven took the idea to a logical endpoint: (1)



    PIERSON'S PUPPETEERS
    HEARTH, THE PUPPETEER HOMEWORLD

    "our civilisation was dying in its own waste heat. Total conversion of energy had rid us of all waste products of civilisation, save that one. We had no choice but to move our world outward from its primary."

    "Was that not dangerous?"

    "Very. There was much madness that year. For that reason it is famous in our history. But we had purchased a reactionless, inertialess drive from the Outsiders. You may have guessed their price. We are still paying in installments. We had moved two agricultural worlds; we had experimented with other, useless worlds of our system using the Outsider drive.

    "In any case, we did it. We moved our world.

    "In later millennia, our numbers reached a full trillion. The dearth of natural sunlight had made it necessary to light our streets during the day, producing more heat. Our sun was misbehaving.

    "In short, we found that a sun was a liability rather than an asset. We moved our world to a tenth of a light year's distance, keeping the primary only as an anchor. We needed the farming worlds and it would have been dangerous to let our world wander randomly through space. Otherwise we would not have needed a sun at all."
     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://larryniven.net/puppeteer/puptech.shtml

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  24. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Ok why don't you source those formal announcements then? Let's see those announcements from 2018 and 2019. Or everyone will see that you are making stuff up in a sad attempt at defending the dictator.

    NATO is not a hierarchy and joining requires the vote of every member. America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.

    Germany and France did not want Ukraine to join before the war:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis

    You're not providing any sources for any of your statements. I have provided numerous sources showing that Ukraine did not have the votes and was not in the process of applying.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn’t matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming?

    It doesn't matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines and you still didn't answer these questions:

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?

    Why aren't there nuclear missiles in Poland if first-strike flight time matters?

    Russia doesn't need nuclear silos in Cuba. The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. In a first strike attack they could position their submarines on both sides of the country. You don't seem up to date on existing technologies and mistakenly trusted an ex-KGB rat and known liar to provide an ever-changing explanation for a war of greed and expansion.

    Putin's own allies mysteriously fall down stairs and out of windows:
    https://www.newsweek.com/every-russian-oligarch-who-has-died-since-putin-invaded-ukraine-full-list-1700022

    But here you are trusting his word on nuclear silos and submarines. Next time try fact checking him instead of turning off your mind in favor of an emotional tribal attachment to him.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    I asked you before to google the Nato meetings from 2009 till 2022 and read for yourself that each year Nato reaffirmed that “Ukraine will join Nato“. Your inability or unwillingness to do something so simple speaks for itself – you prefer to lie to us and distract with Luxemburg…You also ignore the fact that Nato membership is in the Ukraine Constitution.

    America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.

    Riiight. You couldn’t possibly be that stupid, so you are simply lying. As I said, you are a propagandist for stupid people….

    It doesn’t matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines

    If it doesn’t matter, are you ok with Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba? Answer the f..ing question and stop distracting. Multiple delivery methods give you more power. Poland is substantially further from Moscow or Urals than Ukraine…but as I said, you must know all of this, you just need to lie because admitting what was obvious to everyone that Nato was moving into Ukraine and would over time turn it into an anti-Russia military base doesn’t fit your propaganda.

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?

    First if all there are no nukes in Germany. But being closer to their targets (Moscow) allows for a better threat in a crisis. The idiot neo-cons may choose to gamble that a first fast strike on Russia (Moscow) will incapacitate Russia and they will not respond or respond feebly (only bye, bye Poland). We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.

    So Russia decided to block Nato from moving into Ukraine. They are succeeding. As in the Aesop fable about sour grapes you now pretend that “Nato never wanted to be in Ukraine”…it is a lie with sour grapes. You are a sorry case.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.
     
    Even if we accept this reading, you fail to notice the elephant in the room - why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Russia simply failed to become a big, affluent, relatively friendly neighbor like Germany did to her neighbors. Sure, Russia wasn't helped (maybe even on the contrary). Sure, both Russia and her neighbors could have been more competent (although people's capabilities can be limited). But the truth remains - if there was friendship and harmony, NATO may not be even needed. This should've been for Eastern Europeans to resolve on their own but it proved too hard.

    You cannot blame the Americans for taking easy spoils. Most large countries would be compelled to do so and would jump on the occasion with no questions asked.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean, @Beckow

  25. And the winner is . . .

    Romania!

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I've never encountered any people more into dogs than the Czechs.

    , @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality. Whereas the cat was understood to be Jewish and Oriental due to its individualism.

    At least in Germany in the 1930s.

    The reference to the original German article is in the Johann Chapoutot book 'The Law of Blood', sadly I don't have access to it at present.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    , @Gerard1234
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Highly likely a very misleading stat. Romania has a clear, noticeable problem with stray dogs - even more so than for us Russians. Maybe Romanians have improved (??) but this was certainly the situation 5 years before of plenty of stray dogs. Wouldn't be surprised if they have developed an American style culture of using the car for everything like what would be 2 minute walk to get something, in response to the dog problem.

    Stray dogs are practically unknown of in Western Europe.

    Stray/feral cats are all over the Mediterranean countries from my experience.

    I must assume that Polish faggots are counting their wives as dogs ( Anne Appelbaum) because there is no way Poles are bigger dog owners than Germans.

    I prefer good attitude to dogs, that in "white" or "European" civilisation we have - although an Indian guy who was studying in Kazan I regularly talked to ...moaned to me that he much prefers India where dog ownership is minimal because there the massive numbers of stray dogs just leave everyone alone, unlike the sociable "white man's" dogs who sniff around strangers, that the Indian hated

    Replies: @Beyond the pale and fedup, @Ok Hun

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I’ve never seen so many cats as in Türkiye. Inundated with cats. Sleeping on top of books in the bookstore, for example.

  26. A123 says: • Website
    @Ivashka the fool

    The role that technology plays in reducing humanity’s dependence on nature explains this paradox. Human technologies, from those that first enabled agriculture to replace hunting and gathering, to those that drive today’s globalized economy, have made humans less reliant upon the many ecosystems that once provided their only sustenance, even as those same ecosystems have often been left deeply damaged.

    Despite frequent assertions starting in the 1970s of fundamental “limits to growth,” there is still remarkably little evidence that human population and economic expansion will outstrip the capacity to grow food or procure critical material resources in the foreseeable future.

    To the degree to which there are fixed physical boundaries to human consumption, they are so theoretical as to be functionally irrelevant. The amount of solar radiation that hits the Earth, for instance, is ultimately finite but represents no meaningful constraint upon human endeavors. Human civilization can flourish for centuries and millennia on energy delivered from a closed uranium or thorium fuel cycle, or from hydrogen-deuterium fusion. With proper management, humans are at no risk of lacking sufficient agricultural land for food. Given plentiful land and unlimited energy, substitutes for other material inputs to human well-being can easily be found if those inputs become scarce or expensive.
     
    http://www.ecomodernism.org/manifesto-english

    Replies: @A123

    The huge risk in eco modernism is this phrase “With proper management, humans are at no risk“. Improper management defines the human condition. The are a host of planetary death scenarios due to human error, incompetence, or malice.
    ____

    Larry Niven took the idea to a logical endpoint: (1)

    PIERSON’S PUPPETEERS
    HEARTH, THE PUPPETEER HOMEWORLD

    our civilisation was dying in its own waste heat. Total conversion of energy had rid us of all waste products of civilisation, save that one. We had no choice but to move our world outward from its primary.”

    “Was that not dangerous?”

    “Very. There was much madness that year. For that reason it is famous in our history. But we had purchased a reactionless, inertialess drive from the Outsiders. You may have guessed their price. We are still paying in installments. We had moved two agricultural worlds; we had experimented with other, useless worlds of our system using the Outsider drive.

    “In any case, we did it. We moved our world.

    “In later millennia, our numbers reached a full trillion. The dearth of natural sunlight had made it necessary to light our streets during the day, producing more heat. Our sun was misbehaving.

    “In short, we found that a sun was a liability rather than an asset. We moved our world to a tenth of a light year’s distance, keeping the primary only as an anchor. We needed the farming worlds and it would have been dangerous to let our world wander randomly through space. Otherwise we would not have needed a sun at all.”

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://larryniven.net/puppeteer/puptech.shtml

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @A123


    Improper management defines the human condition.
     
    Correct.

    That's why:

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2017-12-29/review-shrinking-the-technosphere-by-dmitry-orlov/
  27. @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    The huge risk in eco modernism is this phrase "With proper management, humans are at no risk". Improper management defines the human condition. The are a host of planetary death scenarios due to human error, incompetence, or malice.
    ____

    Larry Niven took the idea to a logical endpoint: (1)



    PIERSON'S PUPPETEERS
    HEARTH, THE PUPPETEER HOMEWORLD

    "our civilisation was dying in its own waste heat. Total conversion of energy had rid us of all waste products of civilisation, save that one. We had no choice but to move our world outward from its primary."

    "Was that not dangerous?"

    "Very. There was much madness that year. For that reason it is famous in our history. But we had purchased a reactionless, inertialess drive from the Outsiders. You may have guessed their price. We are still paying in installments. We had moved two agricultural worlds; we had experimented with other, useless worlds of our system using the Outsider drive.

    "In any case, we did it. We moved our world.

    "In later millennia, our numbers reached a full trillion. The dearth of natural sunlight had made it necessary to light our streets during the day, producing more heat. Our sun was misbehaving.

    "In short, we found that a sun was a liability rather than an asset. We moved our world to a tenth of a light year's distance, keeping the primary only as an anchor. We needed the farming worlds and it would have been dangerous to let our world wander randomly through space. Otherwise we would not have needed a sun at all."
     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://larryniven.net/puppeteer/puptech.shtml

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Improper management defines the human condition.

    Correct.

    That’s why:

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2017-12-29/review-shrinking-the-technosphere-by-dmitry-orlov/

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  28. @sudden death
    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/hGqMHNvC/prigozhin-pope.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Sean

    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?

    The number of human facial types is large, but finite. So, this resemblance hardly proves anything. Finite number of facial types makes it possible for people with enough resources to have “doubles” and use them.

    Sometimes I see faces eerily resembling the faces of other people I know. I am pretty sure that any observant person had this experience. So what?

  29. @sudden death
    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/hGqMHNvC/prigozhin-pope.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Sean

    I thought he looked familiar!

  30. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI0M1gxNTAw/z/nhcAAOSwzxhiegJz/$_1.JPG

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/282929961324

    Replies: @A123

    What Marvel comic featured those hats? Those are even worse than the Gauntlet.

    The King is a mutant. The stones are on the back of the gauntlet. So, his right thumb is on the outside of his arm.

    PEACE 😇

     
     

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Obvious photoshopped gauntlet and description by Herring for the lulz is obvious, but can't say that about Oates reply, lol

    IIRC she is relatively known writer, but if that reply is real, reacted no better than old grandma in the village to such visual&written pranks;)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  31. We smoked a few cigars for a long time, the incomparable flavor and perfume of which made the soul long for countries and unknown happiness, and, intoxicated with all these delights, I dared, in a fit of familiarity which did not seem to displease him, exclaim, seizing a cup full to the brim, “To your immortal health, old Goat!” »

    We also talked of the universe, its creation and its future destruction; of the great idea of ​​the century, that is, of progress and perfectibility, and, in general, of all forms of human infatuation. On this subject, His Highness was full of light and irrefutable jokes, and expressed himself with a smoothness of diction and a tranquility in humor which I have not found in any of the most famous talkers of humanity. He explained to me the absurdity of the different philosophies which had hitherto taken possession of the human brain, and even condescended to confide in me some fundamental principles whose benefits and ownership it is not appropriate for me to share with anyone. . He in no way complained of the bad reputation he enjoyed in all parts of the world, assured me that he was, himself, the person most interested in the destruction of superstition, and confessed to me that only once had he been afraid, relative to his own power, when he had heard a preacher, more subtle than his confreres, exclaim from the pulpit: Never forget, when you hear boasting of the progress of enlightenment, that the finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist! »

    https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Le_Joueur_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9reux

    [MORE]

    Nous fumâmes longuement quelques cigares dont la saveur et le parfum incomparables donnaient à l’âme la nostalgie de pays et de bonheurs inconnus, et, enivré de toutes ces délices, j’osai, dans un accès de familiarité qui ne parut pas lui déplaire, m’écrier, en m’emparant d’une coupe pleine jusqu’au bord : « À votre immortelle santé, vieux Bouc ! »

    Nous causâmes aussi de l’univers, de sa création et de sa future destruction ; de la grande idée du siècle, c’est-à-dire du progrès et de la perfectibilité, et, en général, de toutes les formes de l’infatuation humaine. Sur ce sujet-là, Son Altesse ne tarissait pas en plaisanteries légères et irréfutables, et elle s’exprimait avec une suavité de diction et une tranquillité dans la drôlerie que je n’ai trouvées dans aucun des plus célèbres causeurs de l’humanité. Elle m’expliqua l’absurdité des différentes philosophies qui avaient jusqu’à présent pris possession du cerveau humain, et daigna même me faire confidence de quelques principes fondamentaux dont il ne me convient pas de partager les bénéfices et la propriété avec qui que ce soit. Elle ne se plaignit en aucune façon de la mauvaise réputation dont elle jouit dans toutes les parties du monde, m’assura qu’elle était, elle-même, la personne la plus intéressée à la destruction de la superstition, et m’avoua qu’elle n’avait eu peur, relativement à son propre pouvoir, qu’une seule fois, c’était le jour où elle avait entendu un prédicateur, plus subtil que ses confrères, s’écrier en chaire : « Mes chers frères, n’oubliez jamais, quand vous entendrez vanter le progrès des lumières, que la plus belle des ruses du diable est de vous persuader qu’il n’existe pas !

  32. @Emil Nikola Richard
    And the winner is . . .

    Romania!

    https://i.redd.it/667rxxokmfya1.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ErZokS7.png

    Replies: @Matra, @Coconuts, @Gerard1234, @RadicalCenter

    I’ve never encountered any people more into dogs than the Czechs.

  33. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    After it was explained to you that Kiev put Nato in its Constitution in 2019 and that Nato since 2008 every year formally announced that Ukraine will join Nato, you still babble irrelevant nonsense.

    Ok why don't you source those formal announcements then? Let's see those announcements from 2018 and 2019. Or everyone will see that you are making stuff up in a sad attempt at defending the dictator.

    NATO is not a hierarchy and joining requires the vote of every member. America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.

    Germany and France did not want Ukraine to join before the war:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/26/nato-allies-policy-russia-ukraine-analysis

    You're not providing any sources for any of your statements. I have provided numerous sources showing that Ukraine did not have the votes and was not in the process of applying.

    Since you stupidly argue nuke missiles flight-time doesn’t matter, then Russia can put missiles in Cuba. Is that what you are claiming?

    It doesn't matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines and you still didn't answer these questions:

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?

    Why aren't there nuclear missiles in Poland if first-strike flight time matters?

    Russia doesn't need nuclear silos in Cuba. The Cuban missile crisis was in 1962. In a first strike attack they could position their submarines on both sides of the country. You don't seem up to date on existing technologies and mistakenly trusted an ex-KGB rat and known liar to provide an ever-changing explanation for a war of greed and expansion.

    Putin's own allies mysteriously fall down stairs and out of windows:
    https://www.newsweek.com/every-russian-oligarch-who-has-died-since-putin-invaded-ukraine-full-list-1700022

    But here you are trusting his word on nuclear silos and submarines. Next time try fact checking him instead of turning off your mind in favor of an emotional tribal attachment to him.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    JJ, you need to improve your batting average.

    If Russia is surrounded by bases directly on her border, including missile sites, it makes a difference to her security. That is one of the key points. Ukraine is a major test case for the West, if they can get bases there, it becomes more likely to get them in other countries.

    When a military response has been set in motion (such as Russia, late 2021) no reasonable person expects the leadership to divulge information which puts their own troops at risk or reduces chances for a last minute peaceful settlement. Some of your points are valid, but this is silly, you need to find another argument.

    I think NATO needs a new name to help people understand the situation better. I propose ARTO; “Are-toe” is the Anti-Russia Treaty Organization.

  34. Old thread has become unstable for me, so I’ll make my reply here:

    Was thinking something like that: Ireland might be becoming a bellwether for policy in Western Europe, due to its small scale and the enormous capital floating around. It is easy to ram through policy. Once it is done, it lowers energy barriers elsewhere.

    @GR

    You should consider trying Linux. Mint has a similar feel to classic Windows. It’s free (you are not handing money to some soulless transnational megacorp) less resource-intensive, and arguably more secure. All you need to try it is an old 4 gb USB stick to make a live-usb.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Did Ireland get a gay pajeet catholic first or Portugal?

    Confirms my childhood instincts that the only place for a brown man in the west is as a faggot.

    Remember when I realized it too - was in grade 1 so 5 or 6.
    Thought the anthem sounded gay too.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Beyond the pale and fedup
    @songbird

    Better to go buy a nice shiny fast 16GB USB3 thumb drive from Wallyworld. formatting , copying the ISO to, and install from, all works better with USB3, USB2 can be slow to work with.

    USB3 use blue sockets on the PC. red is 3.1 and upwards.

  35. Mr. Hack recently mentioned something about Just for Men hair-dye, so I thought I would share these words of wisdom from a long-beard, in my local Chinatown:

    There is a fabulous flower that blooms once every twenty years on Thousand-Snow Peak. Its petals can turn white hair black and bring the dead back to life.

  36. @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    What Marvel comic featured those hats? Those are even worse than the Gauntlet.

    The King is a mutant. The stones are on the back of the gauntlet. So, his right thumb is on the outside of his arm.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/joyce_carol_oates_king_charles_thanos_glove_5-6-23.jpg

     
    https://marveltoynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Hot-Toys-Infinity-Gauntlet-Quarter-Scale-Replica.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    Obvious photoshopped gauntlet and description by Herring for the lulz is obvious, but can’t say that about Oates reply, lol

    IIRC she is relatively known writer, but if that reply is real, reacted no better than old grandma in the village to such visual&written pranks;)

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    She is 84 years old so jokes are going to be hard for her.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvMVXYMWIAA_F4M.jpg

  37. @sudden death
    @A123

    Obvious photoshopped gauntlet and description by Herring for the lulz is obvious, but can't say that about Oates reply, lol

    IIRC she is relatively known writer, but if that reply is real, reacted no better than old grandma in the village to such visual&written pranks;)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    She is 84 years old so jokes are going to be hard for her.

  38. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Old thread has become unstable for me, so I'll make my reply here:

    Was thinking something like that: Ireland might be becoming a bellwether for policy in Western Europe, due to its small scale and the enormous capital floating around. It is easy to ram through policy. Once it is done, it lowers energy barriers elsewhere.

    @GR

    You should consider trying Linux. Mint has a similar feel to classic Windows. It's free (you are not handing money to some soulless transnational megacorp) less resource-intensive, and arguably more secure. All you need to try it is an old 4 gb USB stick to make a live-usb.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beyond the pale and fedup

    Did Ireland get a gay pajeet catholic first or Portugal?

    Confirms my childhood instincts that the only place for a brown man in the west is as a faggot.

    Remember when I realized it too – was in grade 1 so 5 or 6.
    Thought the anthem sounded gay too.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Da Costa seems to have children. But guess he'd be the first. Not sure he grew up in the Church. His mother was a feminist. He holds actually holds Overseas Citizenship of India.

    Varadkar is actually a gift of the UK's NHS. That is how his parents met originally, in the UK, working for the health service. Maybe, that is how they caught the gay germ?

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

  39. @Emil Nikola Richard
    And the winner is . . .

    Romania!

    https://i.redd.it/667rxxokmfya1.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ErZokS7.png

    Replies: @Matra, @Coconuts, @Gerard1234, @RadicalCenter

    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality. Whereas the cat was understood to be Jewish and Oriental due to its individualism.

    At least in Germany in the 1930s.

    The reference to the original German article is in the Johann Chapoutot book ‘The Law of Blood’, sadly I don’t have access to it at present.

    • Thanks: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    The dog and the horse were buried along their masters in Sintashta culture. The Aryan were very dog friendly. This is of course understandable for nomadic people who need to protect their cattle against wolves.

    Even today, many Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart. When I was a kid we used to feed some and play with them as if they were our dogs. All you needed to feel like their best friend was some cheapest type of kolbasa. But lately it looks like stray dogs have become a real problem in RusFed.

    https://youtu.be/rl3JBV19wRg

    I have had four dogs in my life and I would have euthanized anyone of them if they have biten anyone. Strange that euthanizing stray dogs is no longer allowed in RusFed since 2018, even though they often bite people and have killed some of them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts


    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality
     
    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.

    I've long been fascinated by the idea that dogs have influenced human evolution. Most extreme theory seems to be that they caused the Neolithic evolution, made the domestication of other animals and plants possible, but I suspect that one could even go further than that, and suggest that they caused the megafauna to go extinct, which necessitated an increasing toolkit and increasing intelligence to hunt and trap smaller game. Of course, one flaw in this is that the extinctions of Australian megafauna seem to have preceded the arrival of dogs, but they may have been less formidable animals.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic - they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  40. Several days ago did write about Prigozhin’s video antics in previous thread:

    This is just another typical day at the field for any RF commander in the places where intensive fighting is happening, but Prigo is making a big fuss out of it for his own PR purposes acting as if it was something out of ordinary in this war.

    For comparison, excerpt from today posting by Lugansk army member, who was working as comms specialist since 2014/15 there:

    Of course, any brigade commander of the NM LPR/DPR, whose artillery has not received a comparable number of shells to Wagner’s for a long time, but receives miserable crumbs, any such brigade commander, whose people go to “meat assaults” without the necessary artillery support, take positions with great bloodshed, and then roll back from them, because the Ukrainian artillery pounds the grounds there with impunity, any brigade commander who dared pulled out a bunch of his dead from Maryinka, Avdeevka or Belogorovka under the TV cameras and demanded “give us shells or we’re leaving” would be thrown instantly “to the basement jail”.

    https://t.me/wehearfromyanina/1859

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool, LatW
  41. @Emil Nikola Richard
    And the winner is . . .

    Romania!

    https://i.redd.it/667rxxokmfya1.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ErZokS7.png

    Replies: @Matra, @Coconuts, @Gerard1234, @RadicalCenter

    Highly likely a very misleading stat. Romania has a clear, noticeable problem with stray dogs – even more so than for us Russians. Maybe Romanians have improved (??) but this was certainly the situation 5 years before of plenty of stray dogs. Wouldn’t be surprised if they have developed an American style culture of using the car for everything like what would be 2 minute walk to get something, in response to the dog problem.

    Stray dogs are practically unknown of in Western Europe.

    Stray/feral cats are all over the Mediterranean countries from my experience.

    I must assume that Polish faggots are counting their wives as dogs ( Anne Appelbaum) because there is no way Poles are bigger dog owners than Germans.

    I prefer good attitude to dogs, that in “white” or “European” civilisation we have – although an Indian guy who was studying in Kazan I regularly talked to …moaned to me that he much prefers India where dog ownership is minimal because there the massive numbers of stray dogs just leave everyone alone, unlike the sociable “white man’s” dogs who sniff around strangers, that the Indian hated

    • Replies: @Beyond the pale and fedup
    @Gerard1234

    I would imagine the Indian stray dogs are eaters of stray children.

    Dogs easily regress back to their primeval mindset when feral.

    , @Ok Hun
    @Gerard1234

    A majority of the Romanians who claim to own a dog or cat (another category at which Romanians lead in Europe) are confusing "the do you house, walk and vaccinate" with "the stray that my wife feeds".

    There are more strays than at any time in the last 10 years. This week a stray pack got a motorcyclist off his bike. Two months ago, a stray-friendly woman was killed in Bucharest by strays in the same area where she got attacked one year prior.

    It goes hand in hand with one third of the street light being now turned off and half of Bucharest lacking heat and hot water due to city inability to provide them through the municipal network.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  42. Sean says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    Scarpering away to avoid being murdered by your (((fellow Ukies))) to hold a trench in Donbas is a good evolutionary strategy. Right now Zelenskyy is doing a tour of Europe pressuring the governments to hand him back his Christian cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Sean

    America does not want escalation in case Russia does something “irrational”, which is prolly what it would be rational for them to do. Why else is the US denying Ukraine ATACMS and F-16’s. America easily could jam the Russian Global Positioning System alternative GLONASS and the Russian missiles would cease to work

    According to the excellent analyst Austrian Colonel Markus Reisner, Russia is a frog being slowly boiled. Russia ought to have already taken drastic action to break out of the the prospect ofa Ukrainian army 100% armed with Western technology. . I don’t see the Kremlin being good sports and simply withdrawing once they realise they are screwed. Use of nuclear weapons need not be done in order to win, it might be purely vindictive– an act of vengeance for relegating Russia to a second rate power, Brigadier Vad suggested that is the way things are going.

  43. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Did Ireland get a gay pajeet catholic first or Portugal?

    Confirms my childhood instincts that the only place for a brown man in the west is as a faggot.

    Remember when I realized it too - was in grade 1 so 5 or 6.
    Thought the anthem sounded gay too.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    Da Costa seems to have children. But guess he’d be the first. Not sure he grew up in the Church. His mother was a feminist. He holds actually holds Overseas Citizenship of India.

    Varadkar is actually a gift of the UK’s NHS. That is how his parents met originally, in the UK, working for the health service. Maybe, that is how they caught the gay germ?

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird


    "Ash Sarkar is anti-white because she is a fervent assimilationist into white elite culture. If she had been born in 19th century Britain she would be an imperialist. This explains the paradox of non-white leftist women who exclusively date and marry white men"
     

    Destroys the whole wignat/nigger argument of 'attractiveness'.

    Women are attractive, Men assimilate them into 'culture'.

    Ie women can be attractive independent of their tribe (culture)

    Men cannot.
     
    ਅਕਾਲ
    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    LOLOLOL

    "The lyrics have been translated into several indigenous languages of Canada, including Inuktitut, Ojibwe,[15] Cree[16] and Mi'kmaq.[17] There is also a trilingual version, in English, French and Inuktitut"

    Racism is good because I don't want a Punjabi version of this faggot simp land's anthem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwDvF0NtgdU

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1105090613499670588/image.png

    >Yes Quebec with its famous anti-gun lobby knows how to wield the sword.
    Lot of crosses in nigger-loving montreal..

    "True Patriot Love" for globohomo?

    Lol.

    Replies: @songbird

  44. “the Omicron variant, which multiplies 70 times faster than the prior strains of the virus. ”

    https://www.americaoutloud.com/early-treatment-suppression-and-nasal-hygiene-with-nathan-jones-dr-peter-mccullough/

    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.

    I got banned from GLP (again) for attempting to post this.

    • Replies: @tyrone
    @Beyond the pale and fedup


    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.
     
    .....Sorry, I can't tell you that , that would be lying.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Fidelios Automata
    @Beyond the pale and fedup

    The Omicron variant, which is totally fictional.

  45. @Gerard1234
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Highly likely a very misleading stat. Romania has a clear, noticeable problem with stray dogs - even more so than for us Russians. Maybe Romanians have improved (??) but this was certainly the situation 5 years before of plenty of stray dogs. Wouldn't be surprised if they have developed an American style culture of using the car for everything like what would be 2 minute walk to get something, in response to the dog problem.

    Stray dogs are practically unknown of in Western Europe.

    Stray/feral cats are all over the Mediterranean countries from my experience.

    I must assume that Polish faggots are counting their wives as dogs ( Anne Appelbaum) because there is no way Poles are bigger dog owners than Germans.

    I prefer good attitude to dogs, that in "white" or "European" civilisation we have - although an Indian guy who was studying in Kazan I regularly talked to ...moaned to me that he much prefers India where dog ownership is minimal because there the massive numbers of stray dogs just leave everyone alone, unlike the sociable "white man's" dogs who sniff around strangers, that the Indian hated

    Replies: @Beyond the pale and fedup, @Ok Hun

    I would imagine the Indian stray dogs are eaters of stray children.

    Dogs easily regress back to their primeval mindset when feral.

  46. @songbird
    @Coconuts

    Old thread has become unstable for me, so I'll make my reply here:

    Was thinking something like that: Ireland might be becoming a bellwether for policy in Western Europe, due to its small scale and the enormous capital floating around. It is easy to ram through policy. Once it is done, it lowers energy barriers elsewhere.

    @GR

    You should consider trying Linux. Mint has a similar feel to classic Windows. It's free (you are not handing money to some soulless transnational megacorp) less resource-intensive, and arguably more secure. All you need to try it is an old 4 gb USB stick to make a live-usb.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Beyond the pale and fedup

    Better to go buy a nice shiny fast 16GB USB3 thumb drive from Wallyworld. formatting , copying the ISO to, and install from, all works better with USB3, USB2 can be slow to work with.

    USB3 use blue sockets on the PC. red is 3.1 and upwards.

  47. @Gerard1234
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Highly likely a very misleading stat. Romania has a clear, noticeable problem with stray dogs - even more so than for us Russians. Maybe Romanians have improved (??) but this was certainly the situation 5 years before of plenty of stray dogs. Wouldn't be surprised if they have developed an American style culture of using the car for everything like what would be 2 minute walk to get something, in response to the dog problem.

    Stray dogs are practically unknown of in Western Europe.

    Stray/feral cats are all over the Mediterranean countries from my experience.

    I must assume that Polish faggots are counting their wives as dogs ( Anne Appelbaum) because there is no way Poles are bigger dog owners than Germans.

    I prefer good attitude to dogs, that in "white" or "European" civilisation we have - although an Indian guy who was studying in Kazan I regularly talked to ...moaned to me that he much prefers India where dog ownership is minimal because there the massive numbers of stray dogs just leave everyone alone, unlike the sociable "white man's" dogs who sniff around strangers, that the Indian hated

    Replies: @Beyond the pale and fedup, @Ok Hun

    A majority of the Romanians who claim to own a dog or cat (another category at which Romanians lead in Europe) are confusing “the do you house, walk and vaccinate” with “the stray that my wife feeds”.

    There are more strays than at any time in the last 10 years. This week a stray pack got a motorcyclist off his bike. Two months ago, a stray-friendly woman was killed in Bucharest by strays in the same area where she got attacked one year prior.

    It goes hand in hand with one third of the street light being now turned off and half of Bucharest lacking heat and hot water due to city inability to provide them through the municipal network.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Ok Hun

    Thanks for that - very interesting. I had assumed that Bucharest as a city had become more or less western European in infrastructure/ living standards, just as Praga, Budapest or Bratislava - happy to be corrected.

    Tell us - are the dog attacks in Romania worse in the city or in the villages?

    Replies: @Ok Hun

  48. @Beyond the pale and fedup
    "the Omicron variant, which multiplies 70 times faster than the prior strains of the virus. "

    https://www.americaoutloud.com/early-treatment-suppression-and-nasal-hygiene-with-nathan-jones-dr-peter-mccullough/

    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory... lmao.

    I got banned from GLP (again) for attempting to post this.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Fidelios Automata

    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.

    …..Sorry, I can’t tell you that , that would be lying.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @tyrone


    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.
     
    Have you guys considered the possibility that the number 70 is BS? If you knew how the viruses of this type reproduce, you’d know straight off that this number is a 100% lie, like the claim that Biden is not demented.
  49. Not sure what the point of keeping up with these open threads. There seems to be at least one paid shill that treats posting here as his full time job.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    There seems to be at least one paid shill
     
    Only one? By my count it’s more than one. But the number of real people here is greater than the number of trolls.

    However silly and misguided the views of some of them are, these are still views of real people.

    Replies: @S

  50. @tyrone
    @Beyond the pale and fedup


    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.
     
    .....Sorry, I can't tell you that , that would be lying.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory… lmao.

    Have you guys considered the possibility that the number 70 is BS? If you knew how the viruses of this type reproduce, you’d know straight off that this number is a 100% lie, like the claim that Biden is not demented.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  51. @Hapalong Cassidy
    Not sure what the point of keeping up with these open threads. There seems to be at least one paid shill that treats posting here as his full time job.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    There seems to be at least one paid shill

    Only one? By my count it’s more than one. But the number of real people here is greater than the number of trolls.

    However silly and misguided the views of some of them are, these are still views of real people.

    • Replies: @S
    @AnonfromTN



    There seems to be at least one paid shill
     
    Only one? By my count it’s more than one. But the number of real people here is greater than the number of trolls.
     
    Due to the current global geopolitical situation this site does seem to get more than it's fair share of attention from various state actor's troll farms. Some of the trolls seem to mysteriously disappear for periods of time, and then return.

    Maybe that's due to rotating of assignments to avoid burnout, or, simply taking some paid vacation time off away from what must be, like cold call phone sales, a soul destroying job.
  52. S says:

    It’s a very good thing that because people (both individually and collectively) are seen by the ruling US elites and hangers on as unique and of inherent value, that this healthy mindset trickles down to the general public and precludes mass shootings like those depicted in the 1984 film Terminator from ever taking place.

    🙂

    Naah, just kidding, of course.

    People both individually and collectively in the United States are seen by its rulers and hangers on as fully interchangeable and expendable cogs, and of no particular value. The broad general public internalizes this valuation of being seen by their rulers as all but worthless, and the more unstable act out on it, resulting in mass shootings being a common near weekly occurrence in the United States.

    Why, just yesterday there was a mass shooting in the United States…or was that two mass shootings? 🙁

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @A123
    @S


    People both individually and collectively in the United States are seen by its rulers and hangers on as fully interchangeable and expendable cogs, and of no particular value.
     
    It is the failure of SJW Globalism:

    • Normalization of sexual deviancy -- 6 dead in Tennessee
    • Refusal to discipline minority youth -- multiple dead at a birthday party
    • Open borders -- lengthy list of murders and other crimes

    There are some, admittedly long overdue, favorable signs. (1)

    Soros-Backed Prosecutor Kimberly Gardner Resigns As Missouri AG Moved To Have Her Forcibly Removed From Office

     

    Victory.

    A Missouri judge had moved to hold a George Soros-bankrolled prosecutor, Kimberly Gardner, in “indirect criminal contempt” after she and her subordinates failed to show up for multiple court dates, lambasting her office as a “rudderless ship of chaos.”

    Nearly 12,000 criminal cases have been dismissed under Gardner and more than 9,000 cases have been tossed just before going to trial, forcing judges to dismiss more than 2,000 cases due to a failure to provide defendants with evidence and speedy trials.
     
    Americans are rejecting the SJW Muslim Globalist values pushed by George IslamoSoros and the European WEF.

    Trump & his openly expressed Judeo-Christian values are polling more favourably everyday. +30% over DeNeocon in the GOP primary. +8% over IslamoSoros puppet Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gellerreport.com/2023/05/soros-da-resigns.html/
    , @Wokechoke
    @S

    I never quite connected Terminator and Mass Shootings before, but there it is.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  53. A123 says: • Website
    @S
    It's a very good thing that because people (both individually and collectively) are seen by the ruling US elites and hangers on as unique and of inherent value, that this healthy mindset trickles down to the general public and precludes mass shootings like those depicted in the 1984 film Terminator from ever taking place.

    :-)

    https://youtu.be/x3hGMgd2X14

    Naah, just kidding, of course.

    People both individually and collectively in the United States are seen by its rulers and hangers on as fully interchangeable and expendable cogs, and of no particular value. The broad general public internalizes this valuation of being seen by their rulers as all but worthless, and the more unstable act out on it, resulting in mass shootings being a common near weekly occurrence in the United States.

    Why, just yesterday there was a mass shooting in the United States...or was that two mass shootings? :-(




    https://youtu.be/FX4t1lLNl-o

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    People both individually and collectively in the United States are seen by its rulers and hangers on as fully interchangeable and expendable cogs, and of no particular value.

    It is the failure of SJW Globalism:

    • Normalization of sexual deviancy — 6 dead in Tennessee
    • Refusal to discipline minority youth — multiple dead at a birthday party
    • Open borders — lengthy list of murders and other crimes

    There are some, admittedly long overdue, favorable signs. (1)

    Soros-Backed Prosecutor Kimberly Gardner Resigns As Missouri AG Moved To Have Her Forcibly Removed From Office

    Victory.

    A Missouri judge had moved to hold a George Soros-bankrolled prosecutor, Kimberly Gardner, in “indirect criminal contempt” after she and her subordinates failed to show up for multiple court dates, lambasting her office as a “rudderless ship of chaos.”

    Nearly 12,000 criminal cases have been dismissed under Gardner and more than 9,000 cases have been tossed just before going to trial, forcing judges to dismiss more than 2,000 cases due to a failure to provide defendants with evidence and speedy trials.

    Americans are rejecting the SJW Muslim Globalist values pushed by George IslamoSoros and the European WEF.

    Trump & his openly expressed Judeo-Christian values are polling more favourably everyday. +30% over DeNeocon in the GOP primary. +8% over IslamoSoros puppet Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://gellerreport.com/2023/05/soros-da-resigns.html/

  54. @John Johnson
    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KurMUCJ23to

    A Jew and a Muslim walk into a Bakhmut bar......

    Bartender says....... Anglin and Pepe will definitely not report on this.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @Fidelios Automata

    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Fidelios Automata


    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?
     
    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    Well it looks like the billionaire Jewish chef got his ammo:

    https://news.yahoo.com/prigozhin-says-promised-much-ammunition-092115036.html

    Wagner seems to be doing better than the Russian military so maybe Putin should privatize the rest of it and hand it over to more of his Jewish friends.

    Imagine an entirely Jewish led Russian military.

    Anglin and Pepe would hang themselves.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  55. LatW says:
    @Sean
    @John Johnson

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @PetrOldSack

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    Very unfair to Russian speaking Ukrainian patriots! Sure, many are probably mobilized against their will (it’s a large population). But the Russian speakers of Ukraine are some of the most dedicated patriots and also the most effective. There are also a few very seasoned and competent military analysts who are former officers. These Russian speakers are a real treasure trove. I would say they are the crème de la crème. At least in my book.

    Of course, they all understand Ukrainian, too.

    And, btw, Wagner is not all convicts, by far. The core of Wagner are very serious, professional fighters (if one can distance oneself from Wagner’s general global image).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW

    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers' sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvwsdDRyXPw

    So many of the Russian speakers in Ukraine voted for (Russian speaker) Zelensky. The forcible drafting of Jewish men into the army, from where they in a great many cases they never came back was why so many Jews left Tsarist Russia, permanently. Ukraine is going to be an ethnically and linguistically purer place, but a rather empty one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  56. @Beyond the pale and fedup
    "the Omicron variant, which multiplies 70 times faster than the prior strains of the virus. "

    https://www.americaoutloud.com/early-treatment-suppression-and-nasal-hygiene-with-nathan-jones-dr-peter-mccullough/

    Tell me a seventy times faster reproduction rate is NATURAL and not bio-engineered in a laboratory... lmao.

    I got banned from GLP (again) for attempting to post this.

    Replies: @tyrone, @Fidelios Automata

    The Omicron variant, which is totally fictional.

  57. @S
    It's a very good thing that because people (both individually and collectively) are seen by the ruling US elites and hangers on as unique and of inherent value, that this healthy mindset trickles down to the general public and precludes mass shootings like those depicted in the 1984 film Terminator from ever taking place.

    :-)

    https://youtu.be/x3hGMgd2X14

    Naah, just kidding, of course.

    People both individually and collectively in the United States are seen by its rulers and hangers on as fully interchangeable and expendable cogs, and of no particular value. The broad general public internalizes this valuation of being seen by their rulers as all but worthless, and the more unstable act out on it, resulting in mass shootings being a common near weekly occurrence in the United States.

    Why, just yesterday there was a mass shooting in the United States...or was that two mass shootings? :-(




    https://youtu.be/FX4t1lLNl-o

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    I never quite connected Terminator and Mass Shootings before, but there it is.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/reality-is-just-a-game-now

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @S, @Wokechoke

  58. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    I asked you before to google the Nato meetings from 2009 till 2022 and read for yourself that each year Nato reaffirmed that "Ukraine will join Nato". Your inability or unwillingness to do something so simple speaks for itself - you prefer to lie to us and distract with Luxemburg...You also ignore the fact that Nato membership is in the Ukraine Constitution.


    America has the same number of votes as Luxemburg.
     
    Riiight. You couldn't possibly be that stupid, so you are simply lying. As I said, you are a propagandist for stupid people....

    It doesn’t matter in a first strike when both sides have ICBMs in submarines
     
    If it doesn't matter, are you ok with Russian nuclear missiles in Cuba? Answer the f..ing question and stop distracting. Multiple delivery methods give you more power. Poland is substantially further from Moscow or Urals than Ukraine...but as I said, you must know all of this, you just need to lie because admitting what was obvious to everyone that Nato was moving into Ukraine and would over time turn it into an anti-Russia military base doesn't fit your propaganda.

    How does moving missiles from Germany to Ukraine change the outcome of total destruction in a first strike attack?
     
    First if all there are no nukes in Germany. But being closer to their targets (Moscow) allows for a better threat in a crisis. The idiot neo-cons may choose to gamble that a first fast strike on Russia (Moscow) will incapacitate Russia and they will not respond or respond feebly (only bye, bye Poland). We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades - any normal country would account for that.

    So Russia decided to block Nato from moving into Ukraine. They are succeeding. As in the Aesop fable about sour grapes you now pretend that "Nato never wanted to be in Ukraine"...it is a lie with sour grapes. You are a sorry case.

    Replies: @LatW

    We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.

    Even if we accept this reading, you fail to notice the elephant in the room – why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Russia simply failed to become a big, affluent, relatively friendly neighbor like Germany did to her neighbors. Sure, Russia wasn’t helped (maybe even on the contrary). Sure, both Russia and her neighbors could have been more competent (although people’s capabilities can be limited). But the truth remains – if there was friendship and harmony, NATO may not be even needed. This should’ve been for Eastern Europeans to resolve on their own but it proved too hard.

    You cannot blame the Americans for taking easy spoils. Most large countries would be compelled to do so and would jump on the occasion with no questions asked.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    The balance of subsidy in the EU where Germany and France shell out a fortune explains much of the Polish tilt. The Euro amount Germany pays in is almost exactly what the Poles take in.

    , @Sean
    @LatW


    Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.
     
    NATO is America, which is powerful but too far away to threaten the independence of those countries. No matter how it behaved, Russia could never be anything but an object of suspicion in east Europe because no one could be certain what the Russian leaderships intentions were or might become.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.
     
    Not all have strived toward Nato. The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn't want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia. The propaganda is trying to change that, but it will not stick in the long run. After each bloody war people retreat to less confrontational positions.

    It is a chicken-and-egg: to what extent was the drive by the neo-cons to surround and weaken Russia responsible for the reaction by Russia? By all measures, Russia was mild, avoiding confrontation, minding its own business - with mostly rhetorical support of the Russians who ended up in the new EE countries.

    It is gone now and will be decided by force with the winner making new rules. Rationality shows that Russia is stronger in EE - as is US in the Americas, France in N Africa, China in South China Sea. The outside powers can make it bloody, painful, use local allies, but at the end the regional super-power wins or there is an unproductive stalemate.

    Why was this done? It is a combination of three things:
    - many locals live on historical resentments and seek revenge
    - underestimating Russia - they are never as weak as they look
    - neo-cons are imbeciles who over-reach and mess up everything (check-out their record).

    Replies: @LatW

  59. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.
     
    Even if we accept this reading, you fail to notice the elephant in the room - why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Russia simply failed to become a big, affluent, relatively friendly neighbor like Germany did to her neighbors. Sure, Russia wasn't helped (maybe even on the contrary). Sure, both Russia and her neighbors could have been more competent (although people's capabilities can be limited). But the truth remains - if there was friendship and harmony, NATO may not be even needed. This should've been for Eastern Europeans to resolve on their own but it proved too hard.

    You cannot blame the Americans for taking easy spoils. Most large countries would be compelled to do so and would jump on the occasion with no questions asked.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean, @Beckow

    The balance of subsidy in the EU where Germany and France shell out a fortune explains much of the Polish tilt. The Euro amount Germany pays in is almost exactly what the Poles take in.

  60. @Wokechoke
    @S

    I never quite connected Terminator and Mass Shootings before, but there it is.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    That's an excellent read. Thanks.

    If we accept that the modern world has generally traded meaning for power, then it is plausible that as people feel increasingly stripped of any power they will revert to finding meaning. Since traditional sources of meaning, such as family/tribe/nation, religion, or culture have been gutted, then people will transpose this compulsion onto all sorts of fancies.

    Not unlike Foucault's Pendulum now that it crosses my mind.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Cool poc of Dali. I wonder just how many takes of that particular shot it took to get it just right? :-D

    , @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    James Cameron has a lot to account for in a sense.

  61. @A123
    The full WEC replay is available:
    6 Hours of Spa

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g7wqTWi-eeo

    I'm backing Corvette in the GTE category. While there are 2 Cadillacs in HyperCar, it does not seem like the track suits their package.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    The full Creventic replay is available:
    12 Hours of Spa

    No… I am not double posting. This is an entirely different event held at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123

    The prior link fails. Here is the replacement for the 12 Hours of Spa.

    PEACE 😇

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VwpLRbh1whk

  62. Truer words have never been spoken:

     

     

    PEACE 😇

  63. @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality. Whereas the cat was understood to be Jewish and Oriental due to its individualism.

    At least in Germany in the 1930s.

    The reference to the original German article is in the Johann Chapoutot book 'The Law of Blood', sadly I don't have access to it at present.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    The dog and the horse were buried along their masters in Sintashta culture. The Aryan were very dog friendly. This is of course understandable for nomadic people who need to protect their cattle against wolves.

    Even today, many Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart. When I was a kid we used to feed some and play with them as if they were our dogs. All you needed to feel like their best friend was some cheapest type of kolbasa. But lately it looks like stray dogs have become a real problem in RusFed.

    I have had four dogs in my life and I would have euthanized anyone of them if they have biten anyone. Strange that euthanizing stray dogs is no longer allowed in RusFed since 2018, even though they often bite people and have killed some of them.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.
     
    Harsh conditions put severe pressure, so the smartest ones are selected for, the dumb don’t survive. Plus, wolves and dogs are the same species, they cross-breed. By all tests wolves are smarter than the smartest dogs. So, a couple of generations of random breeding would bring their ancestral smarts back in some (while the dumb failures won’t survive).
    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russia is the world's most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, "cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness", domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.


    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

     

    I don't know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don't know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek


    stray dogs have become a real problem
     
    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It's like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @OK Boomer

  64. @QCIC
    What is the latest on the body count for mRNA side effects? Can someone link to a summary?

    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections? Can a patient's DNA (or RNA?) be sequenced to gather this information?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections?

    It doesn’t seem like there is any (practical) way for us to separate the two. I think that the ‘Vid has plenty of its’ own potential long term issues, but there is demonstrably no benefit to me taking any of the shots so I’m not going to double down on risk factors.

    As AnonfromTN said, we’re likely going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts, and the important thing will be to keep perspective on what we all can control and act accordingly.

    Proper mental, emotional, and spiritual hygiene will continue to be important to avoid getting unhinged. All lot of people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue. Yevardian and GermanReader are probably not far off the mark with their reading decisions as far as a way cultivate perspective and to avoid obsession with the latest freak-outs.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    Speaking of freak outs, what is it with kids wreaking havoc in US these days during their car drifting sideshows?

    Is it something new, or it was just underreported?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Beckow
    @Barbarossa


    ...going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts...people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue.
     
    That is the context we are living in. It is not clear why it is happening other than it often happens after long-periods of peace and prosperity. The ennui sets in, and there is the inevitable collapse of accumulated pyramid schemes that societies are built on. The generational flow stops working.

    50% of women now choose not to have families - that leaves a large number of men with no role. The elites switched to depending on female support, incl. the gender freaks, but they are a symptom. The leader of the pack cultivating female support is an ancient dynamic - it works well enough for the apes.

    Staying calm is the best strategy, but it doesn't solve it, the freak-outs will get worse. Childless people are simply end-of-liners. Their biology doesn't exist, they loose a sense of restraint, it becomes a sad cul-de-sac of hedonism and anger. The weak men use it to stay in power until it eventually collapses. In the meantime we will have a circus.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  65. @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections?
     
    It doesn't seem like there is any (practical) way for us to separate the two. I think that the 'Vid has plenty of its' own potential long term issues, but there is demonstrably no benefit to me taking any of the shots so I'm not going to double down on risk factors.

    As AnonfromTN said, we're likely going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts, and the important thing will be to keep perspective on what we all can control and act accordingly.

    Proper mental, emotional, and spiritual hygiene will continue to be important to avoid getting unhinged. All lot of people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue. Yevardian and GermanReader are probably not far off the mark with their reading decisions as far as a way cultivate perspective and to avoid obsession with the latest freak-outs.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

    Speaking of freak outs, what is it with kids wreaking havoc in US these days during their car drifting sideshows?

    Is it something new, or it was just underreported?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    That one beats me. I'm more in the land of the pumped up pickup truck. Drifting could get really interesting on dirt roads though!

    My general impression is that I increasingly live in a society where a fair many people have no regard for anyone's life including their own. This seems to exist in a strange symbiotic tension with the opposite drive toward hyper-cautious and safety obsessed people.

    Maybe it's fair to say that society is schizophrenic and headed toward the psychotic break?

  66. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    The dog and the horse were buried along their masters in Sintashta culture. The Aryan were very dog friendly. This is of course understandable for nomadic people who need to protect their cattle against wolves.

    Even today, many Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart. When I was a kid we used to feed some and play with them as if they were our dogs. All you needed to feel like their best friend was some cheapest type of kolbasa. But lately it looks like stray dogs have become a real problem in RusFed.

    https://youtu.be/rl3JBV19wRg

    I have had four dogs in my life and I would have euthanized anyone of them if they have biten anyone. Strange that euthanizing stray dogs is no longer allowed in RusFed since 2018, even though they often bite people and have killed some of them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

    Harsh conditions put severe pressure, so the smartest ones are selected for, the dumb don’t survive. Plus, wolves and dogs are the same species, they cross-breed. By all tests wolves are smarter than the smartest dogs. So, a couple of generations of random breeding would bring their ancestral smarts back in some (while the dumb failures won’t survive).

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  67. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/reality-is-just-a-game-now

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @S, @Wokechoke

    That’s an excellent read. Thanks.

    If we accept that the modern world has generally traded meaning for power, then it is plausible that as people feel increasingly stripped of any power they will revert to finding meaning. Since traditional sources of meaning, such as family/tribe/nation, religion, or culture have been gutted, then people will transpose this compulsion onto all sorts of fancies.

    Not unlike Foucault’s Pendulum now that it crosses my mind.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    Eco was way ahead. And it's fiction. He was making art, i. e. he only had an intuition taking him through the map of that plot.

    The universe can amaze us but we have to allow it mind space.

  68. @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    Speaking of freak outs, what is it with kids wreaking havoc in US these days during their car drifting sideshows?

    Is it something new, or it was just underreported?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    That one beats me. I’m more in the land of the pumped up pickup truck. Drifting could get really interesting on dirt roads though!

    My general impression is that I increasingly live in a society where a fair many people have no regard for anyone’s life including their own. This seems to exist in a strange symbiotic tension with the opposite drive toward hyper-cautious and safety obsessed people.

    Maybe it’s fair to say that society is schizophrenic and headed toward the psychotic break?

  69. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    That's an excellent read. Thanks.

    If we accept that the modern world has generally traded meaning for power, then it is plausible that as people feel increasingly stripped of any power they will revert to finding meaning. Since traditional sources of meaning, such as family/tribe/nation, religion, or culture have been gutted, then people will transpose this compulsion onto all sorts of fancies.

    Not unlike Foucault's Pendulum now that it crosses my mind.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Eco was way ahead. And it’s fiction. He was making art, i. e. he only had an intuition taking him through the map of that plot.

    The universe can amaze us but we have to allow it mind space.

  70. Sean says:
    @LatW
    @Sean


    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.
     
    Very unfair to Russian speaking Ukrainian patriots! Sure, many are probably mobilized against their will (it's a large population). But the Russian speakers of Ukraine are some of the most dedicated patriots and also the most effective. There are also a few very seasoned and competent military analysts who are former officers. These Russian speakers are a real treasure trove. I would say they are the crème de la crème. At least in my book.

    Of course, they all understand Ukrainian, too.

    And, btw, Wagner is not all convicts, by far. The core of Wagner are very serious, professional fighters (if one can distance oneself from Wagner's general global image).

    Replies: @Sean

    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers’ sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.

    So many of the Russian speakers in Ukraine voted for (Russian speaker) Zelensky. The forcible drafting of Jewish men into the army, from where they in a great many cases they never came back was why so many Jews left Tsarist Russia, permanently. Ukraine is going to be an ethnically and linguistically purer place, but a rather empty one.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    And yet, as Dmitry recently indicated, a "significant" portion of your everyday Israelis are supportive of the Ukrainian cause, and not so much shilling for Russia. Here's a video that he recently posted supporting his views:

    https://youtu.be/MZyNmbiHgZU

    , @LatW
    @Sean


    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers’ sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.
     
    You misunderstood it - these Russian speakers want to fight themselves. They are the biggest patriots, regardless of what the "high command" says or does.

    Replies: @Sean

  71. Sean says:
    @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.
     
    Even if we accept this reading, you fail to notice the elephant in the room - why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Russia simply failed to become a big, affluent, relatively friendly neighbor like Germany did to her neighbors. Sure, Russia wasn't helped (maybe even on the contrary). Sure, both Russia and her neighbors could have been more competent (although people's capabilities can be limited). But the truth remains - if there was friendship and harmony, NATO may not be even needed. This should've been for Eastern Europeans to resolve on their own but it proved too hard.

    You cannot blame the Americans for taking easy spoils. Most large countries would be compelled to do so and would jump on the occasion with no questions asked.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean, @Beckow

    Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    NATO is America, which is powerful but too far away to threaten the independence of those countries. No matter how it behaved, Russia could never be anything but an object of suspicion in east Europe because no one could be certain what the Russian leaderships intentions were or might become.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sean


    NATO is America, which is powerful but too far away to threaten the independence of those countries. No matter how it behaved, Russia could never be anything but an object of suspicion in east Europe because no one could be certain what the Russian leaderships intentions were or might become.
     
    That was exactly my point (and the crux of the matter, which people like Beckow ignore). If there was no NATO (or even no America), there would be another structure. And this structure would be very interested in having EE as a buffer. There would be no "Lisabon to Vladivostok".
  72. @Fidelios Automata
    @John Johnson

    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?

    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    Well it looks like the billionaire Jewish chef got his ammo:

    https://news.yahoo.com/prigozhin-says-promised-much-ammunition-092115036.html

    Wagner seems to be doing better than the Russian military so maybe Putin should privatize the rest of it and hand it over to more of his Jewish friends.

    Imagine an entirely Jewish led Russian military.

    Anglin and Pepe would hang themselves.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    That is the CIA plan after all. Various Kosher Warlords battling it out across the RF. you tipped your hand there John.

  73. Why did AP stop posting here? Does anyone here know?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Coincidentally, I just asked the same question at the previous open thread:


    I read somewhere above, and remember originally reading, that at one point AP (is he on a scouting mission to see what the prospects are like today for living in Ukraine?) and his father were entertaining the idea of moving back.
     
    ??.....
    , @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    AP periodically takes time off to advance the cause of monarchists.

    In this instance, we can imagine him rounding up antimonarchist protestors ahead of the coronation, and then perhaps keeping a watchful eye on Meghan Markle, or that nonce Andrew.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    He mentioned he's on vacation (desert hiking).

    Went to the computer shop today with my Acer laptop I bought three months ago...hardware failure, has to be sent in to support for repairs, will take at least two weeks.
    I thought the Taiwanese were supposed to be the good Chinese. But apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash (and it wasn't that cheap either, cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care of them.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

  74. @Mr. XYZ
    Why did AP stop posting here? Does anyone here know?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @German_reader

    Coincidentally, I just asked the same question at the previous open thread:

    I read somewhere above, and remember originally reading, that at one point AP (is he on a scouting mission to see what the prospects are like today for living in Ukraine?) and his father were entertaining the idea of moving back.

    ??…..

  75. S says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Hapalong Cassidy


    There seems to be at least one paid shill
     
    Only one? By my count it’s more than one. But the number of real people here is greater than the number of trolls.

    However silly and misguided the views of some of them are, these are still views of real people.

    Replies: @S

    There seems to be at least one paid shill

    Only one? By my count it’s more than one. But the number of real people here is greater than the number of trolls.

    Due to the current global geopolitical situation this site does seem to get more than it’s fair share of attention from various state actor’s troll farms. Some of the trolls seem to mysteriously disappear for periods of time, and then return.

    Maybe that’s due to rotating of assignments to avoid burnout, or, simply taking some paid vacation time off away from what must be, like cold call phone sales, a soul destroying job.

  76. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/reality-is-just-a-game-now

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @S, @Wokechoke

    Cool poc of Dali. I wonder just how many takes of that particular shot it took to get it just right? 😀

  77. @John Johnson
    @Fidelios Automata


    Will Putin have a Jew or a Muslim in charge of Bakhmut?
     
    A Muslim would be infinitely preferable.

    Well it looks like the billionaire Jewish chef got his ammo:

    https://news.yahoo.com/prigozhin-says-promised-much-ammunition-092115036.html

    Wagner seems to be doing better than the Russian military so maybe Putin should privatize the rest of it and hand it over to more of his Jewish friends.

    Imagine an entirely Jewish led Russian military.

    Anglin and Pepe would hang themselves.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    That is the CIA plan after all. Various Kosher Warlords battling it out across the RF. you tipped your hand there John.

  78. S says:

    Some things don’t change. Clips from the 1976 movie Network.

    This would have made for a good first start, but only a start, in overthrowing the manufactured Capitalist vs Communist dialectic that the world has been living under the last two hundred plus years.

    ‘First you’ve got to get mad. My life has value!’

    [MORE]

    At 3:05 the US hyper-Capitalist comments that the Communist Soviets with their state run Capitalism do ‘just like we do’.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    We're just trying to run a business.
    It's where we are on the timeline.
    It's nothing personal.

    From the script where some asshole who has been pretending to be your friend for the last ten years gives you the heave-ho. The last one is factual. He is a robot reading a script. The fellow saying "the world is a business Mister Beale" is getting a lot more money but his destiny is precisely the same. Within five years some other robot read him the exact same script.

    Replies: @S

  79. @A123
    @Dmitry (from prior thread)



    Israelis attend a rally in support of plans by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to overhaul the judicial system,

     
    https://media.breitbart.com/media/2023/04/Israel-judicial-reform-march-Associated-Press-640x480.jpg
     
    Seeing a gathering without the SJW Muslim rainbow flag is a good sign.

    IslamoGloboHomo is losing.
    Judeo-Christian values are winning.
     
    Rainbow flag is one of the symbols in many of the protests in Israel.
     
    I agree... The SJW Muslim rainbow flag is on display in protests *against* Judaism and Judeo-Christian values. Dhimmis carry a flag that openly proclaims their submission to Muhammad.

    Do you see any SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags. Could the correlation be any more obvious?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

    no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags.

    Local governments in Israel even adds the rainbow flags. Rainbow flag is especially in the areas of Israel where the population goes to the army, pays a lot of taxes etc.

    It’s possible some areas of Israel could enter competitions for some of the world’s most LGBT symbolism.

    There is local taxpayer’s rainbow flags.

    Also see there are not protests against the local government paying for rainbow flags. Perhaps you can hypothesize, many local people like the LGBT flags there.

    SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists

    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology which is more compatible to right-wing values.

    But probably there is some more complicated reality here, which doesn’t match questions about logical consistency.

    Although there is some things now which are seen as more right-wing like the militarism and religion, Israel also lot of the 20th century centreleft politics, feminism, welfare state etc.

    This has not been always so fashionable with left in the West especially after maybe the 1960s. I would say Israel’s local politics views can be more like your favorite people Joe Biden or Bill Clinton, although less like AOC.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    OMG, all of these in your face rainbow flags? Is Israel a woke country? Why is there a need to advertise gayness in Israel? If they also have gay pride parades in Israel, where the participants can be seen nauseatingly french kissing, you can count me out!

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CA4Y3P/two-men-french-kissing-during-the-annual-lgbt-tel-aviv-pride-parade-CA4Y3P.jpg
    Two Men French kissing during the annual LGBT Tel Aviv pride parade also called 'Love Parade" as part of the international observance of Gay Pride Mon Stock Photo - Alamy

    Just for the record, I don't require scenes of public heterosexual couples french kissing either. Keep it to yourself, and 'live and let live'.

    , @A123
    @Dmitry


    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology
     
    The truth is rather different. Let me Fix That For You.

    In the West, the leftwing has positive feelings for Islam as it is a mostly permissive ideology

    Islam in the West is always SJW liberal. For example, here is an Ilhan Omar pride march & campaign event.

     
    https://www.outfront.org/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow/public/slideshow/IMG_5426_2_640.png
     

    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot. The correlation between SJW and Islam is unshakeable. It is part of the DNC's core values. To them, this is the future: (1)

    Liliana Bakhtiari becomes first non-binary official elected in Atlanta

    They will become the first queer Muslim elected official in the state of Georgia's history, and the second Iranian-American serving in Atlanta.
     
    If you want to say that there is an "Irrelevantslam", that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.

    However, Judeo-Christians in the Europe & America are impacted by SJW Islam, as it actually exists in this part of the globe. And, that relevant Islam is almost always very leftwing.

    I am sure one could cherry pick a few, highly localized, events where Islamists espoused something that seemed conservative. Nothing on this planet is 100%. However, such hyper selectivity highlighting an outlier would come across as diversion rather than a convincing argument.

    I am sure your favorite people Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib would agree. Should we start calling you Dmitry Tlaib? It has a nice Leftoid ring to it;)

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/12/liliana-bakhtiari-becomes-first-non-binary-official-elected-atlanta/

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

  80. Sher Singh says:

    Jeeps and Dodge Chargers with lots of AK-47 and Sikh decals are the thing among Punjabis.
    Pics from the Vaisakhi Nagar Kirtan (Khalsa Day) in Northwest Toronto

    https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-releases-yet-another-explosive

    Cool article, highly suggest a read for the military science stuff alone.
    How many shells per hectare per platoon to achieve suppression.
    Still “nerd” stuff because you should strive to beat that number.
    Excellence is an art not a science.

    This is true for both the local & theatre command who want maximal shell/production.
    Only the mid level bureaucrat staff officer need worry about allocation.
    The hi-low v mid meme strikes again.

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  81. Open thread humor & stuff

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    See replies.

  82. @Ivashka the fool
    @Coconuts

    The dog and the horse were buried along their masters in Sintashta culture. The Aryan were very dog friendly. This is of course understandable for nomadic people who need to protect their cattle against wolves.

    Even today, many Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart. When I was a kid we used to feed some and play with them as if they were our dogs. All you needed to feel like their best friend was some cheapest type of kolbasa. But lately it looks like stray dogs have become a real problem in RusFed.

    https://youtu.be/rl3JBV19wRg

    I have had four dogs in my life and I would have euthanized anyone of them if they have biten anyone. Strange that euthanizing stray dogs is no longer allowed in RusFed since 2018, even though they often bite people and have killed some of them.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    Russia is the world’s most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, “cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness”, domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.

    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

    I don’t know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don’t know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek

    stray dogs have become a real problem

    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It’s like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Dmitry


    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It’s like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.
     
    Forget the Maraga and the Khojali massacres, that sounds truly awful.
    I'm more grateful every day that my family got us out of that godforsaken part of the world.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    About a half a year ago, I "adopted" a feral cat, that just started living in my backyard. There are a lot of such wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here). Being a smallish tabby, she betrayed her former aristocratic leanings, although I'm quite sure she was tough and could handle herself in most any situation that she found herself in. The male cats in the neighborhood must have thought highly of her too, for she soon became pregnant and now I'm the proud owner of three cats. Well, I'm not bad at arithmetic and figured out that I needed to do something quickly to arrest the growth of the potential cat colony starting to form in my backyard. I had to obtain special cages to catch all three of them, and then transported them to a local veterinary organization that did the necessary spade and neuter procedures. The two kittens ended up being male cats. They're pretty big now, and stay almost exclusively outside, although I do occasionally let them go inside when I feed them. They're very cute cats that like to frolic around and often put on very athletic bouts of wrestling. It helps that I've always been an ailurophile (not a cat fancier) . So far, only one of the three lets me occasionally pet him.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Gerard1234
    @Dmitry

    From 1950s Soviet Union much, much higher percentage of Russians living in block apartments and cities than Americans. That and of course the much higher car ownership of Americans , traditionally, is what explains the difference in cat vs dog culture as without a garden or a car you are much less likely to own a dog, but perfectly fine to have cat.
    Not of course that you can't own dogs in cities in either country - plenty of space to do so, lots of park area (more than America cities, I think?) to walk the dogs and greenery/trees around apartment blocks etc - but it's less practical compared to a cat.
    Life in Soviet apartment is like living in the Tropics for a cat during winter and parts of other seasons, because of course its so OTT warm inside.

    But Soviet apartment have big advantages - one of them that fat primitive Americans in cities are still using launderettes en masse, as their apartments aren't fitted for connecting washing machines /tumble dryers like all in ex USSR can.

    Washing clothes twice a week, you would have to think this adds about 6 hours to the week for a city American, that Russians don't have to waste on. How filthy are several places in New York - I would be repulsed at the concept of using plenty of my life each week doing this communal laundry where any sh*t from any lowlife could have found its way into the drum, and the laundrette itself is noticeably probably closer to the toilets of a bar during a busy night, for hygiene levels than it is to own house.

    I think there was one incident a few years before of some 70s Soviet dissident New York Jew diaspora bitch "journalist" (the worst type of human possible), probably Yulia Ioffe or Elder writing some idiotic crap propaganda moaning and crying about the lack of laundrette in Moscow when this lazy tramp wanted it as in New York - done as some propaganda BS piece for unsuspecting American readers, trying to fake this as "primitive" maybe even "barbaric" Russian practise, when of course the truth is the exact opposite on this issue , LOL.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @OK Boomer
    @Dmitry

    It's like that joke, which goes "if Russia is under attack, how come it is so big?".

    So, if strays rights are not protected in Eastern Europe, how come they are so many?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  83. @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    Are there any good means of determining if a given symptom is caused by the virus (long term or latent side effect) or the mRNA injections?
     
    It doesn't seem like there is any (practical) way for us to separate the two. I think that the 'Vid has plenty of its' own potential long term issues, but there is demonstrably no benefit to me taking any of the shots so I'm not going to double down on risk factors.

    As AnonfromTN said, we're likely going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts, and the important thing will be to keep perspective on what we all can control and act accordingly.

    Proper mental, emotional, and spiritual hygiene will continue to be important to avoid getting unhinged. All lot of people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue. Yevardian and GermanReader are probably not far off the mark with their reading decisions as far as a way cultivate perspective and to avoid obsession with the latest freak-outs.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Beckow

    …going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts…people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue.

    That is the context we are living in. It is not clear why it is happening other than it often happens after long-periods of peace and prosperity. The ennui sets in, and there is the inevitable collapse of accumulated pyramid schemes that societies are built on. The generational flow stops working.

    50% of women now choose not to have families – that leaves a large number of men with no role. The elites switched to depending on female support, incl. the gender freaks, but they are a symptom. The leader of the pack cultivating female support is an ancient dynamic – it works well enough for the apes.

    Staying calm is the best strategy, but it doesn’t solve it, the freak-outs will get worse. Childless people are simply end-of-liners. Their biology doesn’t exist, they loose a sense of restraint, it becomes a sad cul-de-sac of hedonism and anger. The weak men use it to stay in power until it eventually collapses. In the meantime we will have a circus.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Beckow

    I pretty much agree, but I think that maintaining composure and focus is more than just a personal strategy, it is fundamentally part of the solution.

    As an individual none of have much real ability to change much in the societal freakout. The only avenues we have are to maintain our families and foster sanity in our own circles of family and friends.
    If I became obsessed by QAnon, Trump, the Russia Ukraine conflict, or any other rabbit hole to the point that I ceased to engage with my family and community then I am part of the problem with society.

    I know plenty of people like this. They are Red and Trumpy as can be but they wonder why their kids are so Woke. Where they talking to their kids and modelling a real life for them or just glued to Hannity and Limbaugh?

    Sure, I'll vote if there are any options worth worth a shot and I'll stay informed, but fundamentally putting some grounded kids into the world is the best avenue to turn things around. Especially since as you point out so many have abdicated that opportunity.

  84. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are dealing with irresponsible morons who have been marching on Russia in their feverish minds for decades – any normal country would account for that.
     
    Even if we accept this reading, you fail to notice the elephant in the room - why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Russia simply failed to become a big, affluent, relatively friendly neighbor like Germany did to her neighbors. Sure, Russia wasn't helped (maybe even on the contrary). Sure, both Russia and her neighbors could have been more competent (although people's capabilities can be limited). But the truth remains - if there was friendship and harmony, NATO may not be even needed. This should've been for Eastern Europeans to resolve on their own but it proved too hard.

    You cannot blame the Americans for taking easy spoils. Most large countries would be compelled to do so and would jump on the occasion with no questions asked.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean, @Beckow

    …why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.

    Not all have strived toward Nato. The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn’t want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia. The propaganda is trying to change that, but it will not stick in the long run. After each bloody war people retreat to less confrontational positions.

    It is a chicken-and-egg: to what extent was the drive by the neo-cons to surround and weaken Russia responsible for the reaction by Russia? By all measures, Russia was mild, avoiding confrontation, minding its own business – with mostly rhetorical support of the Russians who ended up in the new EE countries.

    It is gone now and will be decided by force with the winner making new rules. Rationality shows that Russia is stronger in EE – as is US in the Americas, France in N Africa, China in South China Sea. The outside powers can make it bloody, painful, use local allies, but at the end the regional super-power wins or there is an unproductive stalemate.

    Why was this done? It is a combination of three things:
    – many locals live on historical resentments and seek revenge
    – underestimating Russia – they are never as weak as they look
    – neo-cons are imbeciles who over-reach and mess up everything (check-out their record).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn’t want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia.
     
    First, nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia (it is expensive). Second, so now you're saying NATO membership is "symbolic"? But you kept saying it's a threat. So which one is it? If it is purely symbolic and you say that some countries so wanted to keep peace with Russia, then let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?

    As to the bases, be clear about what you mean. You are probably insinuating American bases. There aren't any of those in Eastern Europe, or American troops in large numbers. All of our local military installations simply become "NATO bases" formally. Those are Slovakian bases.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  85. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russia is the world's most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, "cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness", domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.


    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

     

    I don't know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don't know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek


    stray dogs have become a real problem
     
    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It's like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @OK Boomer

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It’s like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Forget the Maraga and the Khojali massacres, that sounds truly awful.
    I’m more grateful every day that my family got us out of that godforsaken part of the world.

  86. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Da Costa seems to have children. But guess he'd be the first. Not sure he grew up in the Church. His mother was a feminist. He holds actually holds Overseas Citizenship of India.

    Varadkar is actually a gift of the UK's NHS. That is how his parents met originally, in the UK, working for the health service. Maybe, that is how they caught the gay germ?

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    “Ash Sarkar is anti-white because she is a fervent assimilationist into white elite culture. If she had been born in 19th century Britain she would be an imperialist. This explains the paradox of non-white leftist women who exclusively date and marry white men”

    Destroys the whole wignat/nigger argument of ‘attractiveness’.

    Women are attractive, Men assimilate them into ‘culture’.

    Ie women can be attractive independent of their tribe (culture)

    Men cannot.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  87. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Da Costa seems to have children. But guess he'd be the first. Not sure he grew up in the Church. His mother was a feminist. He holds actually holds Overseas Citizenship of India.

    Varadkar is actually a gift of the UK's NHS. That is how his parents met originally, in the UK, working for the health service. Maybe, that is how they caught the gay germ?

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    LOLOLOL

    “The lyrics have been translated into several indigenous languages of Canada, including Inuktitut, Ojibwe,[15] Cree[16] and Mi’kmaq.[17] There is also a trilingual version, in English, French and Inuktitut”

    Racism is good because I don’t want a Punjabi version of this faggot simp land’s anthem.

    [MORE]


    >Yes Quebec with its famous anti-gun lobby knows how to wield the sword.
    Lot of crosses in nigger-loving montreal..

    “True Patriot Love” for globohomo?

    Lol.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    We will have to get someone to read Ash Sarkar's book 'Minority Rule', when it comes out. Maybe, Sailer will do it, and save others the trouble.
    ____
    Believe the French version was the original. Sounds relatively based. Quebec didn't seem to be doing too badly when the Church still controlled the schools

    A lot of national anthems just aren't very good, IMO. Canada itself may have gotten the short shrift by mostly being removed from war and having the longest peaceful border in the world.

    But I don't know if these references to old wars even make sense anymore. Anthems seem mostly used in sports, and sports are the bleeding edge of globalism, and they seem to do nothing to stop that.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  88. @Dmitry
    @A123


    no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags.

     

    Local governments in Israel even adds the rainbow flags. Rainbow flag is especially in the areas of Israel where the population goes to the army, pays a lot of taxes etc.

    It's possible some areas of Israel could enter competitions for some of the world's most LGBT symbolism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNOzanuyXgk

    There is local taxpayer's rainbow flags.

    Also see there are not protests against the local government paying for rainbow flags. Perhaps you can hypothesize, many local people like the LGBT flags there.


    SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists
     
    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology which is more compatible to right-wing values.

    But probably there is some more complicated reality here, which doesn't match questions about logical consistency.

    Although there is some things now which are seen as more right-wing like the militarism and religion, Israel also lot of the 20th century centreleft politics, feminism, welfare state etc.

    This has not been always so fashionable with left in the West especially after maybe the 1960s. I would say Israel's local politics views can be more like your favorite people Joe Biden or Bill Clinton, although less like AOC.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    OMG, all of these in your face rainbow flags? Is Israel a woke country? Why is there a need to advertise gayness in Israel? If they also have gay pride parades in Israel, where the participants can be seen nauseatingly french kissing, you can count me out!
    Two Men French kissing during the annual LGBT Tel Aviv pride parade also called ‘Love Parade” as part of the international observance of Gay Pride Mon Stock Photo – Alamy

    Just for the record, I don’t require scenes of public heterosexual couples french kissing either. Keep it to yourself, and ‘live and let live’.

  89. @Sean
    @LatW

    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers' sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvwsdDRyXPw

    So many of the Russian speakers in Ukraine voted for (Russian speaker) Zelensky. The forcible drafting of Jewish men into the army, from where they in a great many cases they never came back was why so many Jews left Tsarist Russia, permanently. Ukraine is going to be an ethnically and linguistically purer place, but a rather empty one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    And yet, as Dmitry recently indicated, a “significant” portion of your everyday Israelis are supportive of the Ukrainian cause, and not so much shilling for Russia. Here’s a video that he recently posted supporting his views:

  90. @Mr. XYZ
    Why did AP stop posting here? Does anyone here know?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @German_reader

    AP periodically takes time off to advance the cause of monarchists.

    In this instance, we can imagine him rounding up antimonarchist protestors ahead of the coronation, and then perhaps keeping a watchful eye on Meghan Markle, or that nonce Andrew.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Ha, ha, ha. I hope that AP appreciates the gentle venum of your sarcasm. :-)

    BTW, I'm slowly but surely turning my attention to the "Treasure Island" film that you recently wrote positively about. That was the 1950 Walt Disney version? Also, never used "Just for Men", however, did dye my hair completely twice, the ladies seemed to be appreciative, although I'm now perfectly comfortable with the effects of the aging process. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  91. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @A123


    no Islamists you will find no Muslim rainbow flags.

     

    Local governments in Israel even adds the rainbow flags. Rainbow flag is especially in the areas of Israel where the population goes to the army, pays a lot of taxes etc.

    It's possible some areas of Israel could enter competitions for some of the world's most LGBT symbolism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNOzanuyXgk

    There is local taxpayer's rainbow flags.

    Also see there are not protests against the local government paying for rainbow flags. Perhaps you can hypothesize, many local people like the LGBT flags there.


    SJW Muslim flags in the pro-reform picture above? Where you have no Dhimmi and no Islamists
     
    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology which is more compatible to right-wing values.

    But probably there is some more complicated reality here, which doesn't match questions about logical consistency.

    Although there is some things now which are seen as more right-wing like the militarism and religion, Israel also lot of the 20th century centreleft politics, feminism, welfare state etc.

    This has not been always so fashionable with left in the West especially after maybe the 1960s. I would say Israel's local politics views can be more like your favorite people Joe Biden or Bill Clinton, although less like AOC.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology

    The truth is rather different. Let me Fix That For You.

    In the West, the leftwing has positive feelings for Islam as it is a mostly permissive ideology

    Islam in the West is always SJW liberal. For example, here is an Ilhan Omar pride march & campaign event.

     

     

    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot. The correlation between SJW and Islam is unshakeable. It is part of the DNC’s core values. To them, this is the future: (1)

    Liliana Bakhtiari becomes first non-binary official elected in Atlanta

    They will become the first queer Muslim elected official in the state of Georgia’s history, and the second Iranian-American serving in Atlanta.

    If you want to say that there is an “Irrelevantslam”, that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.

    However, Judeo-Christians in the Europe & America are impacted by SJW Islam, as it actually exists in this part of the globe. And, that relevant Islam is almost always very leftwing.

    I am sure one could cherry pick a few, highly localized, events where Islamists espoused something that seemed conservative. Nothing on this planet is 100%. However, such hyper selectivity highlighting an outlier would come across as diversion rather than a convincing argument.

    I am sure your favorite people Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib would agree. Should we start calling you Dmitry Tlaib? It has a nice Leftoid ring to it;)

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/12/liliana-bakhtiari-becomes-first-non-binary-official-elected-atlanta/

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @A123


    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot.
     
    As far as I know nearly all American politicians are liberals of one kind or another, there are conservative ones and progressive/left-wing ones.

    Muslims are more likely to be traditionalists, even in the West, and the traditionalist current in politics is weak or marginal in the US. SJWs support them for a mixture of weird post-modernist reasons and tactical advantage.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Dmitry
    @A123


    Ilhan Omar pride march
     
    Well, for Ilhan Omar, this is indication they are consistent with the Democrat Party they are representing, but they are inconsistent with mainstream Islamic cultures.

    This LGBT activism isn't representative of the mainstream Islamic view, or mainstream view in the country like Somalia.

    Aside from natural individual variation of views, Omar is also probably a person who has assimilated more of the American culture, than Somalia's Islamic culture. After all, she was living in Somalia as a child, but most of her life is in America and she is an American politician.


    Rashida Tlaib

     

    She doesn't have the hijab, so it's probably a quite secular lifestyle woman from the view of mainstream Muslim culture.

    I think in the West Bank or especially Gaza, most Palestinian women use the hijab. At least in Israel, a significant proportion of the Muslim women are pretty secularized in terms of clothes and just look like secular people.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  92. @S
    Some things don't change. Clips from the 1976 movie Network.

    This would have made for a good first start, but only a start, in overthrowing the manufactured Capitalist vs Communist dialectic that the world has been living under the last two hundred plus years.

    'First you've got to get mad. My life has value!'

    https://youtu.be/MRuS3dxKK9U



    At 3:05 the US hyper-Capitalist comments that the Communist Soviets with their state run Capitalism do 'just like we do'.

    https://youtu.be/V9XeyBd_IuA

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    We’re just trying to run a business.
    It’s where we are on the timeline.
    It’s nothing personal.

    From the script where some asshole who has been pretending to be your friend for the last ten years gives you the heave-ho. The last one is factual. He is a robot reading a script. The fellow saying “the world is a business Mister Beale” is getting a lot more money but his destiny is precisely the same. Within five years some other robot read him the exact same script.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The fellow saying “the world is a business Mister Beale” is getting a lot more money but his destiny is precisely the same.
     
    I once saw a mid 1970's interview with the director of Network and he wanted the corporate chief executive saying those lines (performed by the actor Ned Beatty) to look like Teddy Roosevelt, and sure enough he does whenever I see that clip. :-)
  93. @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    AP periodically takes time off to advance the cause of monarchists.

    In this instance, we can imagine him rounding up antimonarchist protestors ahead of the coronation, and then perhaps keeping a watchful eye on Meghan Markle, or that nonce Andrew.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ha, ha, ha. I hope that AP appreciates the gentle venum of your sarcasm. 🙂

    BTW, I’m slowly but surely turning my attention to the “Treasure Island” film that you recently wrote positively about. That was the 1950 Walt Disney version? Also, never used “Just for Men”, however, did dye my hair completely twice, the ladies seemed to be appreciative, although I’m now perfectly comfortable with the effects of the aging process. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    That was the 1950 Walt Disney
     
    Actually the 1934 film was the one I saw.

    The guy who played Squire Trelawney in that version, Nigel Bruce, used to play Dr. Watson in Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people were unhappy with his depiction of a dumb Watson, but he seems to have been typecast as buffoonish a longtime before he even played the role.



    Not sure if I ever saw the Disney one, but I think probably not. Still have a vague memory of doing a skit in school around the book. Can't recall who played what part, but I do recall Ben Gunn's line about cheese.

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942). Not as good as the other Sabatini adaptations I've seen Captain Blood and Scaramouche (which differs from and is probably superior to the book), but I still thought it was an enjoyable film, particularly the second half.

    Quite curious on some levels. The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film - can't believe they would make a movie like that now. I've read Maureen O'Hara refused to remove her wedding ring and they had to use some camera trickery, to make it seem like the ring was on a different finger. They unfortunately dyed her hair. I liked the guy who played Morgan, he seemed very jolly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack, @S

  94. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology
     
    The truth is rather different. Let me Fix That For You.

    In the West, the leftwing has positive feelings for Islam as it is a mostly permissive ideology

    Islam in the West is always SJW liberal. For example, here is an Ilhan Omar pride march & campaign event.

     
    https://www.outfront.org/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow/public/slideshow/IMG_5426_2_640.png
     

    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot. The correlation between SJW and Islam is unshakeable. It is part of the DNC's core values. To them, this is the future: (1)

    Liliana Bakhtiari becomes first non-binary official elected in Atlanta

    They will become the first queer Muslim elected official in the state of Georgia's history, and the second Iranian-American serving in Atlanta.
     
    If you want to say that there is an "Irrelevantslam", that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.

    However, Judeo-Christians in the Europe & America are impacted by SJW Islam, as it actually exists in this part of the globe. And, that relevant Islam is almost always very leftwing.

    I am sure one could cherry pick a few, highly localized, events where Islamists espoused something that seemed conservative. Nothing on this planet is 100%. However, such hyper selectivity highlighting an outlier would come across as diversion rather than a convincing argument.

    I am sure your favorite people Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib would agree. Should we start calling you Dmitry Tlaib? It has a nice Leftoid ring to it;)

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/12/liliana-bakhtiari-becomes-first-non-binary-official-elected-atlanta/

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot.

    As far as I know nearly all American politicians are liberals of one kind or another, there are conservative ones and progressive/left-wing ones.

    Muslims are more likely to be traditionalists, even in the West, and the traditionalist current in politics is weak or marginal in the US. SJWs support them for a mixture of weird post-modernist reasons and tactical advantage.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Coconuts


    Muslims are more likely to be traditionalists, even in the West
     
    In Western countries, the defining characteristics of Muslim tradition are -- Crime and hostility to Judeo-Christians. For example, the "No-Go" zones in France. Sexual assaults in Italy. Etc. (1)

    Six teenage girls were sexually assaulted by about 30 immigrants from North Africa on board a train to Milan. The incident has provoked strong reactions in Italy.

    The Italian girls, who are between 16 and 17 years old, had on June 2 had fun at the amusement park Gardaland.

    But when they took the train back to Milan, the day turned into a nightmare. A group of about 30 Arabs showed up and started going on a sex attack.

    – We were surrounded. The heat was suffocating and some of us fainted, says one of the victims to Italian media.

    The mob laughed as they slapped at the girls and sexually insulted them.
     

    I suppose you can call preying on Christian girls, Muslim 'traditionalist'. However, that tradition is antithetical to Judeo-Christian existence.

    They really need to be returned from whence they came. Let them practice their sexually deviant Muslim 'traditionalism' on each other, not Judeo-Christians.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.eutimes.net/2022/06/outrage-and-fury-in-italy-after-30-arabs-sexually-assault-6-italian-girls-on-train/

  95. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Why did AP stop posting here? Does anyone here know?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird, @German_reader

    He mentioned he’s on vacation (desert hiking).

    Went to the computer shop today with my Acer laptop I bought three months ago…hardware failure, has to be sent in to support for repairs, will take at least two weeks.
    I thought the Taiwanese were supposed to be the good Chinese. But apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash (and it wasn’t that cheap either, cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care of them.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The last time I bought a laptop is a used refurbished macbook air 400 dollars. I only use it 5% of the time when my linux computer barfs on something. It runs like it was built by a 1970's German factory.


    It just works. Straight out of the box.
     
    Steve Jobs RIP

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    hardware failure,
     
    What is the part name which has failed? It can usually be easy to fix, although you have warranty if it's the first year since you bought it.

    Taiwanese were supposed to be the good
     
    Most of the components of the laptops are made in China. Only very advanced parts like the CPU would be made in Western countries, but these are usually never components which fails in the laptop. When it's overheating the CPU throttles unless you disable that protection.

    By the way, Acer and Asus are just an assembler and marketer of the components, the majority of components will be from Shenzhen.


    apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash

     

    Well, people who like modifying electronics, you normally will spend extra money to buy parts with more reputation for quality control, especially it's common to buy higher quality capacitors from the Japanese companies like Rubycon.

    Although the market flooded with fake versions of the Japanese capacitors which are from China.

    Generally, if there are products made in Taiwan, they should be following quite good quality control nowadays. Taiwan is quite a Western country now and most of the manufacturers should be higher quality control and manufacturing standards.

    But even Taiwan was responsible for the capacitor plague in the beginning of the 2000s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague


    , cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care

     

    If you want to lower prices but increase even more rates of deaths from consumer electronics to continue.

    This is a "creative" and "low regulation" environment which perhaps doesn't always accurately translate or read textbooks. This is a good attitude for the areas like cooking and poetry, not always supporting the desire to increase consumers' safety in the electronics industry, where there are probably increasing dangers in recent years as consumers in high regulation countries are buying most things from there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEh4jsVew0.

  96. S says:

    In preparation for WWIII, just as in preparation for WWII, people(s) are being played like violins.

    And once again, just as before, Poland is being buttered up by the US/UK to be a point man for Anglosphere objectives.

    Sure, fight if one must, but do so on one’s own terms, which in the case of these world wars is hardly the case.

    Certainly the Anglosphere shouldn’t be shamelessly manipulating the Polish people this way, but on the Poles part, whatever happened to the lesson of ‘Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me’?

    From the London Telegraph:

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-poland-europe-next-superpower-050000865.html

    ‘Warsaw is using this economic strength to transform the country into a formidable fighting force to guard against the Russian wolf at the door…Warsaw’s plan is to double the size of the army to 300,000 soldiers, equipped with the latest Western kit.’

    Poland will be wealthier than Britain by 2030 – it’s time we took notice

    Poland is rapidly becoming the new central European superpower.

    When I visited Poland as the Telegraph’s Eastern Europe correspondent in 1989, its cities were drab, decayed and ringed by hideous communist-era buildings. Shops were barren, expectations were low and life was hard.

    Yet nowhere else in the Soviet empire did people’s power prevail so triumphantly as in Poland. The land of lost causes became the vanguard of liberty — and prosperity.

    On its current path, Poland is on track to become wealthier than Britain by 2030 thanks to a post-communist economic miracle. The country has become a hotbed for future-facing industries such as battery manufacturing and tech.

    Warsaw is using this economic strength to transform the country into a formidable fighting force to guard against the Russian wolf at the door. Its willingness to stand against Moscow has also won it allies among many neighbouring countries.

    As Germany and France tie themselves in knots over their response to the Ukraine war, Poland’s star is on the rise.

    Warsaw’s plan is to double the size of the army to 300,000 soldiers, equipped with the latest Western kit.

    Poland is spending some $10bn (£7.9bn) on the US-made Himars artillery systems that have proved so effective on the Ukrainian battlefield, just one example of its significant investment plans.

    • Replies: @A123
    @S


    And once again, just as before, Poland is being buttered up by the US/UK to be a point man for Anglosphere objectives.
     
    Warsaw is being actively menaced by the EU Empire. Brussels keeps trying to strip Poland of its national sovereignty. They need to counter the threat posed by the Dark Heart of Europe and its Open [Muslim] Borders policies.

    The existential threat to the Visegrád 4 and Austria is from the West, not the East. Is it not wise for Poland to:

    • Buy arms from South Korea, including some of the planet's best tanks?
    • Solicit help from Christian nations?

    The days of Not-The-President Biden are numbered. Convincing Trump to move additional NATO forces from Germany to Poland is of huge benefit defanging Berlin aggression.

    The upcoming ban of internal combustion engines by the EU will heal the rift between Belarus and Poland. Poles will be buying real cars & trucks in Brest, driving them on international license plates. Historical enmity will rapidly fade in the presence of overwhelming necessity.

    PEACE 😇
  97. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russia is the world's most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, "cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness", domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.


    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

     

    I don't know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don't know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek


    stray dogs have become a real problem
     
    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It's like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @OK Boomer

    About a half a year ago, I “adopted” a feral cat, that just started living in my backyard. There are a lot of such wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here). Being a smallish tabby, she betrayed her former aristocratic leanings, although I’m quite sure she was tough and could handle herself in most any situation that she found herself in. The male cats in the neighborhood must have thought highly of her too, for she soon became pregnant and now I’m the proud owner of three cats. Well, I’m not bad at arithmetic and figured out that I needed to do something quickly to arrest the growth of the potential cat colony starting to form in my backyard. I had to obtain special cages to catch all three of them, and then transported them to a local veterinary organization that did the necessary spade and neuter procedures. The two kittens ended up being male cats. They’re pretty big now, and stay almost exclusively outside, although I do occasionally let them go inside when I feed them. They’re very cute cats that like to frolic around and often put on very athletic bouts of wrestling. It helps that I’ve always been an ailurophile (not a cat fancier) . So far, only one of the three lets me occasionally pet him.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    At least in the 20th century popular culture, usually the American media prefers dogs and the cat is often viewed as a nonamerican. Lovecraft seems to a bit of rebellion to this idea.

    Dogs are often in the media viewed as the patriotic and American animal. Even in our little forum, maybe I saw this attitude sometimes with the middle class Americans like AP, believes the correct white residents, with regularly cut lawn and the dog, is the adequate United States citizen, who can still shoot coyotes and bears.

    There are some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY


    wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here)
     
    Don't you also have cougars there? I know I saw enough videos on YouTube of American hunting fans shooting them.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  98. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    LOLOLOL

    "The lyrics have been translated into several indigenous languages of Canada, including Inuktitut, Ojibwe,[15] Cree[16] and Mi'kmaq.[17] There is also a trilingual version, in English, French and Inuktitut"

    Racism is good because I don't want a Punjabi version of this faggot simp land's anthem.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwDvF0NtgdU

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1105090613499670588/image.png

    >Yes Quebec with its famous anti-gun lobby knows how to wield the sword.
    Lot of crosses in nigger-loving montreal..

    "True Patriot Love" for globohomo?

    Lol.

    Replies: @songbird

    We will have to get someone to read Ash Sarkar’s book ‘Minority Rule’, when it comes out. Maybe, Sailer will do it, and save others the trouble.
    ____
    Believe the French version was the original. Sounds relatively based. Quebec didn’t seem to be doing too badly when the Church still controlled the schools

    A lot of national anthems just aren’t very good, IMO. Canada itself may have gotten the short shrift by mostly being removed from war and having the longest peaceful border in the world.

    But I don’t know if these references to old wars even make sense anymore. Anthems seem mostly used in sports, and sports are the bleeding edge of globalism, and they seem to do nothing to stop that.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Battle of Nations
    Germany Spain

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZweG8WfrBQ&ab_channel=TennisTV

    The German guy had a great tournament for him. He got to the final of the qualifier and lost then got into the main draw when somebody pulled at the last minute then he went through one whole half of the bracket to face top seed Alcaraz in the final and even took a set.

    Not Battle of Nations as the opponents were Australian and Indian guy. After they won the last point Rublev and Khachanov did synchronized crossing themselves which is a rarity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO6U24ikM2w&ab_channel=TennisTV

  99. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    We're just trying to run a business.
    It's where we are on the timeline.
    It's nothing personal.

    From the script where some asshole who has been pretending to be your friend for the last ten years gives you the heave-ho. The last one is factual. He is a robot reading a script. The fellow saying "the world is a business Mister Beale" is getting a lot more money but his destiny is precisely the same. Within five years some other robot read him the exact same script.

    Replies: @S

    The fellow saying “the world is a business Mister Beale” is getting a lot more money but his destiny is precisely the same.

    I once saw a mid 1970’s interview with the director of Network and he wanted the corporate chief executive saying those lines (performed by the actor Ned Beatty) to look like Teddy Roosevelt, and sure enough he does whenever I see that clip. 🙂

  100. A123 says: • Website
    @S
    In preparation for WWIII, just as in preparation for WWII, people(s) are being played like violins.

    And once again, just as before, Poland is being buttered up by the US/UK to be a point man for Anglosphere objectives.

    Sure, fight if one must, but do so on one's own terms, which in the case of these world wars is hardly the case.

    Certainly the Anglosphere shouldn't be shamelessly manipulating the Polish people this way, but on the Poles part, whatever happened to the lesson of 'Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me'?

    From the London Telegraph:


    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-poland-europe-next-superpower-050000865.html


    'Warsaw is using this economic strength to transform the country into a formidable fighting force to guard against the Russian wolf at the door...Warsaw's plan is to double the size of the army to 300,000 soldiers, equipped with the latest Western kit.'

    Poland will be wealthier than Britain by 2030 – it’s time we took notice

    Poland is rapidly becoming the new central European superpower.

    When I visited Poland as the Telegraph’s Eastern Europe correspondent in 1989, its cities were drab, decayed and ringed by hideous communist-era buildings. Shops were barren, expectations were low and life was hard.

    Yet nowhere else in the Soviet empire did people's power prevail so triumphantly as in Poland. The land of lost causes became the vanguard of liberty — and prosperity.

    On its current path, Poland is on track to become wealthier than Britain by 2030 thanks to a post-communist economic miracle. The country has become a hotbed for future-facing industries such as battery manufacturing and tech.

    Warsaw is using this economic strength to transform the country into a formidable fighting force to guard against the Russian wolf at the door. Its willingness to stand against Moscow has also won it allies among many neighbouring countries.

    As Germany and France tie themselves in knots over their response to the Ukraine war, Poland's star is on the rise.

    Warsaw's plan is to double the size of the army to 300,000 soldiers, equipped with the latest Western kit.

    Poland is spending some $10bn (£7.9bn) on the US-made Himars artillery systems that have proved so effective on the Ukrainian battlefield, just one example of its significant investment plans.
     

    Replies: @A123

    And once again, just as before, Poland is being buttered up by the US/UK to be a point man for Anglosphere objectives.

    Warsaw is being actively menaced by the EU Empire. Brussels keeps trying to strip Poland of its national sovereignty. They need to counter the threat posed by the Dark Heart of Europe and its Open [Muslim] Borders policies.

    The existential threat to the Visegrád 4 and Austria is from the West, not the East. Is it not wise for Poland to:

    • Buy arms from South Korea, including some of the planet’s best tanks?
    • Solicit help from Christian nations?

    The days of Not-The-President Biden are numbered. Convincing Trump to move additional NATO forces from Germany to Poland is of huge benefit defanging Berlin aggression.

    The upcoming ban of internal combustion engines by the EU will heal the rift between Belarus and Poland. Poles will be buying real cars & trucks in Brest, driving them on international license plates. Historical enmity will rapidly fade in the presence of overwhelming necessity.

    PEACE 😇

  101. @Ok Hun
    @Gerard1234

    A majority of the Romanians who claim to own a dog or cat (another category at which Romanians lead in Europe) are confusing "the do you house, walk and vaccinate" with "the stray that my wife feeds".

    There are more strays than at any time in the last 10 years. This week a stray pack got a motorcyclist off his bike. Two months ago, a stray-friendly woman was killed in Bucharest by strays in the same area where she got attacked one year prior.

    It goes hand in hand with one third of the street light being now turned off and half of Bucharest lacking heat and hot water due to city inability to provide them through the municipal network.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Thanks for that – very interesting. I had assumed that Bucharest as a city had become more or less western European in infrastructure/ living standards, just as Praga, Budapest or Bratislava – happy to be corrected.

    Tell us – are the dog attacks in Romania worse in the city or in the villages?

    • Replies: @Ok Hun
    @Gerard1234

    In the villages, people never cared for the new laws, which require vaccination, tagging, and, with few exception, castration of all dogs. (Breeding is supposed to be reserved to licensed facilities.) As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.

    In the cities, strays were eliminated a few years ago, but returned, to a lesser degree, since covid. It's still to a lesser extent than in villages. Recently, I happened to eat at a shawarma place just a few tens of steps from the gate of the Baneasa Airport, when three strays came in the restaurant begging.

    The stray can't open restaurant doors. Obviously, there is a significant proportion in Romania who thinks strays should be nourished, especially when their food would be my shawarma. In any case, these people outnumber the ones who are afraid of rabies and hate stepping on dog feces. The mayors feel that there isn't much to gain from getting rid of strays, so they saved money by cutting down on dog catchers. Nature is healing, LOL.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  102. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    He mentioned he's on vacation (desert hiking).

    Went to the computer shop today with my Acer laptop I bought three months ago...hardware failure, has to be sent in to support for repairs, will take at least two weeks.
    I thought the Taiwanese were supposed to be the good Chinese. But apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash (and it wasn't that cheap either, cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care of them.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    The last time I bought a laptop is a used refurbished macbook air 400 dollars. I only use it 5% of the time when my linux computer barfs on something. It runs like it was built by a 1970’s German factory.

    It just works. Straight out of the box.

    Steve Jobs RIP

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Heard that MacBooks have the HDD soldered in place. But not sure since when, suppose they would all be SDDs now.

    Don't know, if Americans are spoiled on the secondary market, but I recommend getting an old office PC off eBay, unless you're a gamer or need something more portable.

    Another option for GR might be to get one of these supposedly robust Amish PCs:
    https://youtu.be/TjhFu5VUv5I

    BTW, I kind of hate Jobs because for a long time, Apple only had a one button mouse, which made using things like Excel much more difficult than they had any right to be.

    Replies: @German_reader

  103. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Ha, ha, ha. I hope that AP appreciates the gentle venum of your sarcasm. :-)

    BTW, I'm slowly but surely turning my attention to the "Treasure Island" film that you recently wrote positively about. That was the 1950 Walt Disney version? Also, never used "Just for Men", however, did dye my hair completely twice, the ladies seemed to be appreciative, although I'm now perfectly comfortable with the effects of the aging process. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    That was the 1950 Walt Disney

    Actually the 1934 film was the one I saw.

    The guy who played Squire Trelawney in that version, Nigel Bruce, used to play Dr. Watson in Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people were unhappy with his depiction of a dumb Watson, but he seems to have been typecast as buffoonish a longtime before he even played the role.

    [MORE]

    Not sure if I ever saw the Disney one, but I think probably not. Still have a vague memory of doing a skit in school around the book. Can’t recall who played what part, but I do recall Ben Gunn’s line about cheese.

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942). Not as good as the other Sabatini adaptations I’ve seen Captain Blood and Scaramouche (which differs from and is probably superior to the book), but I still thought it was an enjoyable film, particularly the second half.

    Quite curious on some levels. The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film – can’t believe they would make a movie like that now. I’ve read Maureen O’Hara refused to remove her wedding ring and they had to use some camera trickery, to make it seem like the ring was on a different finger. They unfortunately dyed her hair. I liked the guy who played Morgan, he seemed very jolly.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Martin Freeman did a good Watson.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I finally watched the 1934 version of "Treasure Island" and would overall need to give the film a 3.5/5 star rating. In my book, anything over and including a "3" is a good film worth watching. The film is noteworthy, if for no other reason than it was one of the first of its kind in the very prolific pirate genre. Lots of incredibly fine photographic black/white cameo shots throughout the film. The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process.

    The acting was good and all the players played their parts well, Little Cooper led the tempo of the film at about the right pace. I thought that Wallace Beery did more than an adequate job in playing Long John Silver and his professionalism shone through at every turn. I was expecting more from Nigel Bruce and could see some of the "buffoonish" elements that you allude to shine through that made him such a hit (at least in my book) in his later romps as Dr. Watson in the famous Sherlock Holmes films. I'll be viewing the 1950 version sometime soon too, so you see you've wetted my appetite for this kind of faire!

    A couple of times throughout the film Long John Silver would curse his rivals by refering to them as bein "dogfish". I've never heard this curse before, but if you've ever seen a dogfish up close, you'll understand the serious insult inflicted upon anybody said to look like one. :-)

    I wont include a photo of such an apparition here, as I've noticed that some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish and don't want to upset any more of anybody's fine sensibilities.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942).
     
    Thanks for the review. The Black Swan seemed okay and who can argue with O'Hara. Tyrone Power, a very good actor, was very shortly going to be in the Marine Corps once the filming for the movie was over. Too bad the 3 to 4 pack a day smoking habit he had did him in at only 44 years of age.


    The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film – can’t believe they would make a movie like that now.
     
    Probably not. Likewise, many have been surprised this scene from an episode of the original Star Trek series wasn't left on the cutting room floor.

    'Don't fight me, Janice.'


    https://youtu.be/Lm0LdLgwg18

    Replies: @songbird

  104. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The last time I bought a laptop is a used refurbished macbook air 400 dollars. I only use it 5% of the time when my linux computer barfs on something. It runs like it was built by a 1970's German factory.


    It just works. Straight out of the box.
     
    Steve Jobs RIP

    Replies: @songbird

    Heard that MacBooks have the HDD soldered in place. But not sure since when, suppose they would all be SDDs now.

    Don’t know, if Americans are spoiled on the secondary market, but I recommend getting an old office PC off eBay, unless you’re a gamer or need something more portable.

    Another option for GR might be to get one of these supposedly robust Amish PCs:

    [MORE]

    BTW, I kind of hate Jobs because for a long time, Apple only had a one button mouse, which made using things like Excel much more difficult than they had any right to be.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    I was spoilt by my last laptop (from Samsung), it lasted for 12 years and never caused any trouble until it died in February. But I guess you can't expect that sort of quality. Still, hard disk failure after three months is a bit much.
    Thanks for the Linux recommendation, but tbh I'm probably too lazy to try that (and wouldn't have helped in this case either, since it seems to be a hardware issue). Am increasingly tired of all that technorot anyway. Only good parts about the internet are the ability to pirate books and the occasional conversation like here.

    Replies: @songbird

  105. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Heard that MacBooks have the HDD soldered in place. But not sure since when, suppose they would all be SDDs now.

    Don't know, if Americans are spoiled on the secondary market, but I recommend getting an old office PC off eBay, unless you're a gamer or need something more portable.

    Another option for GR might be to get one of these supposedly robust Amish PCs:
    https://youtu.be/TjhFu5VUv5I

    BTW, I kind of hate Jobs because for a long time, Apple only had a one button mouse, which made using things like Excel much more difficult than they had any right to be.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I was spoilt by my last laptop (from Samsung), it lasted for 12 years and never caused any trouble until it died in February. But I guess you can’t expect that sort of quality. Still, hard disk failure after three months is a bit much.
    Thanks for the Linux recommendation, but tbh I’m probably too lazy to try that (and wouldn’t have helped in this case either, since it seems to be a hardware issue). Am increasingly tired of all that technorot anyway. Only good parts about the internet are the ability to pirate books and the occasional conversation like here.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    and wouldn’t have helped in this case either, since it seems to be a hardware issue)
     
    True - you'd have to make the USB stick first. But, if you had it already, then you'd probably be able to boot with it.

    Incidentally, if it is an HDD problem, then Xi might be the cause (China now #1 manufacturer, Thais #2). But it appeals more to my imagination to picture it being produced flawlessly but then being mishandled by a former Taliban in Hamburg, purely through ignorance.

    Only good parts about the internet are the ability to pirate books
     
    I like gaining access to out of copyright stuff too. And archive has this quasi-legal system where they acquire a physical copy of a book, and then let you borrow it digitally, but it seems like they are in a lot of legal trouble right now, for lifting their limits during covid.

    Another thing I've recently gained an appreciation of is fan translations, which I think, at least in some instances (i.e., when it is older stuff), must be the most respectable form of piracy possible.

    I keep hoping that we will see more international stuff (at least the higher quality stuff) unlocked with AI translations, but maybe that would be a double-edged sword. One thing I'd really like is some kind of anti-poz firewall. I don't even like people supposedly on the Right using some thumbnails etc.
  106. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russia is the world's most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, "cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness", domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.


    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

     

    I don't know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don't know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek


    stray dogs have become a real problem
     
    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It's like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @OK Boomer

    From 1950s Soviet Union much, much higher percentage of Russians living in block apartments and cities than Americans. That and of course the much higher car ownership of Americans , traditionally, is what explains the difference in cat vs dog culture as without a garden or a car you are much less likely to own a dog, but perfectly fine to have cat.
    Not of course that you can’t own dogs in cities in either country – plenty of space to do so, lots of park area (more than America cities, I think?) to walk the dogs and greenery/trees around apartment blocks etc – but it’s less practical compared to a cat.
    Life in Soviet apartment is like living in the Tropics for a cat during winter and parts of other seasons, because of course its so OTT warm inside.

    But Soviet apartment have big advantages – one of them that fat primitive Americans in cities are still using launderettes en masse, as their apartments aren’t fitted for connecting washing machines /tumble dryers like all in ex USSR can.

    Washing clothes twice a week, you would have to think this adds about 6 hours to the week for a city American, that Russians don’t have to waste on. How filthy are several places in New York – I would be repulsed at the concept of using plenty of my life each week doing this communal laundry where any sh*t from any lowlife could have found its way into the drum, and the laundrette itself is noticeably probably closer to the toilets of a bar during a busy night, for hygiene levels than it is to own house.

    I think there was one incident a few years before of some 70s Soviet dissident New York Jew diaspora bitch “journalist” (the worst type of human possible), probably Yulia Ioffe or Elder writing some idiotic crap propaganda moaning and crying about the lack of laundrette in Moscow when this lazy tramp wanted it as in New York – done as some propaganda BS piece for unsuspecting American readers, trying to fake this as “primitive” maybe even “barbaric” Russian practise, when of course the truth is the exact opposite on this issue , LOL.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Gerard1234

    I don't think cats really like living in apartments, even if they enjoy modern heating and high views from the balcony.

    Cats are only semi-domestic animals, if they live in the farm they have a quite large region they manage. They have a natural autonomy and their main hobby is hunting.

    Of course, the cats are a lot more happy to live in cold country peoples' apartment with regular food, than living as street cats in the Mediterranean countries. It's still a relatively good lifestyle for Russian apartment cats, nothing near the optimal lifestyle.

    Replies: @QCIC

  107. A123 says: • Website
    @Coconuts
    @A123


    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot.
     
    As far as I know nearly all American politicians are liberals of one kind or another, there are conservative ones and progressive/left-wing ones.

    Muslims are more likely to be traditionalists, even in the West, and the traditionalist current in politics is weak or marginal in the US. SJWs support them for a mixture of weird post-modernist reasons and tactical advantage.

    Replies: @A123

    Muslims are more likely to be traditionalists, even in the West

    In Western countries, the defining characteristics of Muslim tradition are — Crime and hostility to Judeo-Christians. For example, the “No-Go” zones in France. Sexual assaults in Italy. Etc. (1)

    Six teenage girls were sexually assaulted by about 30 immigrants from North Africa on board a train to Milan. The incident has provoked strong reactions in Italy.

    The Italian girls, who are between 16 and 17 years old, had on June 2 had fun at the amusement park Gardaland.

    But when they took the train back to Milan, the day turned into a nightmare. A group of about 30 Arabs showed up and started going on a sex attack.

    – We were surrounded. The heat was suffocating and some of us fainted, says one of the victims to Italian media.

    The mob laughed as they slapped at the girls and sexually insulted them.

    I suppose you can call preying on Christian girls, Muslim ‘traditionalist’. However, that tradition is antithetical to Judeo-Christian existence.

    They really need to be returned from whence they came. Let them practice their sexually deviant Muslim ‘traditionalism’ on each other, not Judeo-Christians.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.eutimes.net/2022/06/outrage-and-fury-in-italy-after-30-arabs-sexually-assault-6-italian-girls-on-train/

  108. @Sean
    @LatW

    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers' sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvwsdDRyXPw

    So many of the Russian speakers in Ukraine voted for (Russian speaker) Zelensky. The forcible drafting of Jewish men into the army, from where they in a great many cases they never came back was why so many Jews left Tsarist Russia, permanently. Ukraine is going to be an ethnically and linguistically purer place, but a rather empty one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers’ sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.

    You misunderstood it – these Russian speakers want to fight themselves. They are the biggest patriots, regardless of what the “high command” says or does.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW

    Разведка Боем -- scouting by drawing fire and 'soaking up firepower' has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing. That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

    Replies: @LatW

  109. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...why do all of these peoples strive towards NATO? Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.
     
    Not all have strived toward Nato. The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn't want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia. The propaganda is trying to change that, but it will not stick in the long run. After each bloody war people retreat to less confrontational positions.

    It is a chicken-and-egg: to what extent was the drive by the neo-cons to surround and weaken Russia responsible for the reaction by Russia? By all measures, Russia was mild, avoiding confrontation, minding its own business - with mostly rhetorical support of the Russians who ended up in the new EE countries.

    It is gone now and will be decided by force with the winner making new rules. Rationality shows that Russia is stronger in EE - as is US in the Americas, France in N Africa, China in South China Sea. The outside powers can make it bloody, painful, use local allies, but at the end the regional super-power wins or there is an unproductive stalemate.

    Why was this done? It is a combination of three things:
    - many locals live on historical resentments and seek revenge
    - underestimating Russia - they are never as weak as they look
    - neo-cons are imbeciles who over-reach and mess up everything (check-out their record).

    Replies: @LatW

    The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn’t want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia.

    First, nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia (it is expensive). Second, so now you’re saying NATO membership is “symbolic”? But you kept saying it’s a threat. So which one is it? If it is purely symbolic and you say that some countries so wanted to keep peace with Russia, then let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?

    As to the bases, be clear about what you mean. You are probably insinuating American bases. There aren’t any of those in Eastern Europe, or American troops in large numbers. All of our local military installations simply become “NATO bases” formally. Those are Slovakian bases.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Symbolic in this context just means "consequence free".

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia
     
    That is an obvious lie. From the neo-cons (plenty of them in Europe) to EE resentful revenge-seeking nationalists and liberals in Poland, Baltic, etc...there were plenty of powerful groups that wanted hostility with Russia. Why would you deny it?

    now you’re saying NATO membership is “symbolic”
     
    No, don't intentionally misrepresent what I said: many in EE supported Nato as a 'symbolic' gesture, joining Europe, and had no desire to confront Russia. They were lied to and misled - Nato has planned a confrontation with Russia for a very long time, since it was created.

    let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?
     
    Ultimatum? it was an opening round in the Nato-Russia negotiation - there was a deal acceptable to both sides. But some really wanted to go for a war.

    Nato bases...There aren’t any of those in Eastern Europe
     
    Another lie. There are plenty of Nato bases in EE - some are called 'temporary' or are mislabeled as 'local bases', but there are by any definition quite a few EE Nato bases. Why would you deny it?

    You are running away from the reality of what is happening and how we got there. Don't play with meaning of terms or deny the obvious, stick with the neo-con narrative: "Russia is evil, we have aways known it, we are going to attack again, this time we will finally defeat it!"

    At least understand what you are fighting for - and possibly dying. You constantly deny what is very obvious and that is disorienting in a war - doubts and complexity are behind us. Our collective skin is in the game, at least let's see it clearly.

  110. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    We will have to get someone to read Ash Sarkar's book 'Minority Rule', when it comes out. Maybe, Sailer will do it, and save others the trouble.
    ____
    Believe the French version was the original. Sounds relatively based. Quebec didn't seem to be doing too badly when the Church still controlled the schools

    A lot of national anthems just aren't very good, IMO. Canada itself may have gotten the short shrift by mostly being removed from war and having the longest peaceful border in the world.

    But I don't know if these references to old wars even make sense anymore. Anthems seem mostly used in sports, and sports are the bleeding edge of globalism, and they seem to do nothing to stop that.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Battle of Nations
    Germany Spain

    The German guy had a great tournament for him. He got to the final of the qualifier and lost then got into the main draw when somebody pulled at the last minute then he went through one whole half of the bracket to face top seed Alcaraz in the final and even took a set.

    Not Battle of Nations as the opponents were Australian and Indian guy. After they won the last point Rublev and Khachanov did synchronized crossing themselves which is a rarity.

  111. LatW says:
    @Sean
    @LatW


    Because the relationship with Russia is messed up. If the relationship was good, NATO would not have such fertile soil to expand.
     
    NATO is America, which is powerful but too far away to threaten the independence of those countries. No matter how it behaved, Russia could never be anything but an object of suspicion in east Europe because no one could be certain what the Russian leaderships intentions were or might become.

    Replies: @LatW

    NATO is America, which is powerful but too far away to threaten the independence of those countries. No matter how it behaved, Russia could never be anything but an object of suspicion in east Europe because no one could be certain what the Russian leaderships intentions were or might become.

    That was exactly my point (and the crux of the matter, which people like Beckow ignore). If there was no NATO (or even no America), there would be another structure. And this structure would be very interested in having EE as a buffer. There would be no “Lisabon to Vladivostok”.

  112. • Replies: @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At first sight, rather curious distribution of ice if true - most of Alaska, Chukotka and Yakutia were ice free, while Scandinavia, UK and Baltics became extensions of North Pole then.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  113. Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.

    “Honor the past, fight for the future.”

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @LatW


    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.
     
    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.
     
    The losers grieve on May 8th
    The winners celebrate on May 9th
  114. @LatW
    @Beckow


    The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn’t want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia.
     
    First, nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia (it is expensive). Second, so now you're saying NATO membership is "symbolic"? But you kept saying it's a threat. So which one is it? If it is purely symbolic and you say that some countries so wanted to keep peace with Russia, then let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?

    As to the bases, be clear about what you mean. You are probably insinuating American bases. There aren't any of those in Eastern Europe, or American troops in large numbers. All of our local military installations simply become "NATO bases" formally. Those are Slovakian bases.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Symbolic in this context just means “consequence free”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Oh yea? Then why not agree to Putin's ultimatum, if it is so "consequence free"...

  115. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://i.redd.it/xd1ilx3n3kya1.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    At first sight, rather curious distribution of ice if true – most of Alaska, Chukotka and Yakutia were ice free, while Scandinavia, UK and Baltics became extensions of North Pole then.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    It's based on deposits from the base of the old glacial flows. Glaciers go around mountains and there are a lot of mountains in Alaska. Arguments between geologists can be pretty amusing. They tend to be a pretty hit-and-miss bunch on laboratory work experience. Mostly they work with what's there, has been for aeons and is going to be for a long time to follow.

  116. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Symbolic in this context just means "consequence free".

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh yea? Then why not agree to Putin’s ultimatum, if it is so “consequence free”…

  117. @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At first sight, rather curious distribution of ice if true - most of Alaska, Chukotka and Yakutia were ice free, while Scandinavia, UK and Baltics became extensions of North Pole then.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s based on deposits from the base of the old glacial flows. Glaciers go around mountains and there are a lot of mountains in Alaska. Arguments between geologists can be pretty amusing. They tend to be a pretty hit-and-miss bunch on laboratory work experience. Mostly they work with what’s there, has been for aeons and is going to be for a long time to follow.

  118. @LatW
    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.

    "Honor the past, fight for the future."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_w9OwrSGyo

    Replies: @Yahya, @AnonfromTN

    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.

    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yahya


    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?
     
    There is a separate date for that. It already passed this year. And the memorial is not for the SS (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    Replies: @Yahya, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

  119. @Yahya
    @LatW


    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.
     
    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?

    Replies: @LatW

    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?

    There is a separate date for that. It already passed this year. And the memorial is not for the SS (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @LatW


    (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).
     
    Projection much? I was making fun of your explicit philo-Nazi tendencies (since you decided to make yourself my enemy a while back, after I was nice to you. Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw).

    I haven’t expressed any objections to Europeans commemorating their dead. I visited St. Paul’s Cathedral recently and was impressed by the memorials to British Imperial soldiers and colonial administrators. I had not been previously aware that St. Paul housed these statues, including one of the great man himself:


    https://i.ibb.co/BynZQ34/0-B8-C4888-4-E4-B-43-FE-A58-E-193-AFE7-E3312.jpg


    There is a large WW2 memorial in Egypt dedicated to commonwealth soldiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamein_Memorial

    I was taken to the place on a school trip, many years ago.

    I recall meeting an English WW2 veteran there, but not much else.

    There is another one nearby, dedicated to Italian soldiers of WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_War_Memorial_at_El_Alamein

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...memorial is not for the SS
     
    Really? So who is it for? Latvian nationalist militias who fought on the side of Nazis? You tell us why they march and celebrate.

    It makes all the difference in the world. WW2 was a cataclysmic event won by Russia and lost by Germany and its allies. Or you can say won by the Soviets, if you can't bring yourself to mouth the word "Russia", not much of a difference.

    All history was complicated. But the brutal crimes of Latvians against their minorities were not. To march and celebrate it is in very bad taste. It is also something future generations of Latvians will eventually denounce. If there are any.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    https://i.redd.it/ahg5cg0fdl591.png

    Did the Jews ever sue you guys for reparations?

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

  120. @LatW
    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.

    "Honor the past, fight for the future."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_w9OwrSGyo

    Replies: @Yahya, @AnonfromTN

    Today is the day of Remembrance and Reconciliation for those who lost their lives during the Second World War.

    The losers grieve on May 8th
    The winners celebrate on May 9th

    • LOL: LatW
  121. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I was spoilt by my last laptop (from Samsung), it lasted for 12 years and never caused any trouble until it died in February. But I guess you can't expect that sort of quality. Still, hard disk failure after three months is a bit much.
    Thanks for the Linux recommendation, but tbh I'm probably too lazy to try that (and wouldn't have helped in this case either, since it seems to be a hardware issue). Am increasingly tired of all that technorot anyway. Only good parts about the internet are the ability to pirate books and the occasional conversation like here.

    Replies: @songbird

    and wouldn’t have helped in this case either, since it seems to be a hardware issue)

    True – you’d have to make the USB stick first. But, if you had it already, then you’d probably be able to boot with it.

    [MORE]

    Incidentally, if it is an HDD problem, then Xi might be the cause (China now #1 manufacturer, Thais #2). But it appeals more to my imagination to picture it being produced flawlessly but then being mishandled by a former Taliban in Hamburg, purely through ignorance.

    Only good parts about the internet are the ability to pirate books

    I like gaining access to out of copyright stuff too. And archive has this quasi-legal system where they acquire a physical copy of a book, and then let you borrow it digitally, but it seems like they are in a lot of legal trouble right now, for lifting their limits during covid.

    Another thing I’ve recently gained an appreciation of is fan translations, which I think, at least in some instances (i.e., when it is older stuff), must be the most respectable form of piracy possible.

    I keep hoping that we will see more international stuff (at least the higher quality stuff) unlocked with AI translations, but maybe that would be a double-edged sword. One thing I’d really like is some kind of anti-poz firewall. I don’t even like people supposedly on the Right using some thumbnails etc.

  122. Sean says:
    @LatW
    @Sean


    Yes the lives of those ethnically Russian mothers’ sons are so precious to the Ukrainian high command.
     
    You misunderstood it - these Russian speakers want to fight themselves. They are the biggest patriots, regardless of what the "high command" says or does.

    Replies: @Sean

    Разведка Боем — scouting by drawing fire and ‘soaking up firepower’ has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing. That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sean


    Разведка Боем — scouting by drawing fire and ‘soaking up firepower’ has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing
     
    Rozvedka boem has been going on for weeks now, as the Ukrainians are preparing to advance.
    This is done by everybody, regardless of what language they speak (and by the way, they are not ethnic Russians, but Russian speaking ethnic Ukrainians).

    That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

     

    I don't blame them, and I have encountered both languages in the refugee stream. My home country has accepted teenage boys from Kharkiv.

    That doesn't take away from my point that there are many patriotic Ukrainians who happen to have Russian as their first language (because it was more convenient for them). It is not correct to compare them to Wagner convicts, and that's putting it mildly.

    Replies: @Sean

  123. LatW says:
    @Sean
    @LatW

    Разведка Боем -- scouting by drawing fire and 'soaking up firepower' has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing. That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

    Replies: @LatW

    Разведка Боем — scouting by drawing fire and ‘soaking up firepower’ has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing

    Rozvedka boem has been going on for weeks now, as the Ukrainians are preparing to advance.
    This is done by everybody, regardless of what language they speak (and by the way, they are not ethnic Russians, but Russian speaking ethnic Ukrainians).

    That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

    I don’t blame them, and I have encountered both languages in the refugee stream. My home country has accepted teenage boys from Kharkiv.

    That doesn’t take away from my point that there are many patriotic Ukrainians who happen to have Russian as their first language (because it was more convenient for them). It is not correct to compare them to Wagner convicts, and that’s putting it mildly.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW


    My home country has accepted teenage boys from Kharkiv.
     
    Prolly worried they would be tagged as collaborators if they did not "volunteer"

    I have encountered both languages in the refugee stream.
     
    They are wary of saying they are ethnic Russians. Especially to Poles!

    It is not correct to compare them to Wagner convicts, and that’s putting it mildly.
     
    Correct. The Wagner convicts have more chance of going home, reportedly 20,000 already have because they completed their six month contract
  124. Yahya says:
    @LatW
    @Yahya


    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?
     
    There is a separate date for that. It already passed this year. And the memorial is not for the SS (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    Replies: @Yahya, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    Projection much? I was making fun of your explicit philo-Nazi tendencies (since you decided to make yourself my enemy a while back, after I was nice to you. Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw).

    I haven’t expressed any objections to Europeans commemorating their dead. I visited St. Paul’s Cathedral recently and was impressed by the memorials to British Imperial soldiers and colonial administrators. I had not been previously aware that St. Paul housed these statues, including one of the great man himself:

    There is a large WW2 memorial in Egypt dedicated to commonwealth soldiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamein_Memorial

    I was taken to the place on a school trip, many years ago.

    I recall meeting an English WW2 veteran there, but not much else.

    There is another one nearby, dedicated to Italian soldiers of WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_War_Memorial_at_El_Alamein

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yahya

    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don't need that (not from you in any case). I thought you would know better being on this forum, which is full of all kinds of unusual people, but where the unspoken rule is "freedom of expression".


    Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw.
     
    That's fine, it's a matter of taste. I listen to a lot of academic music as well. I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs, I wasn't trying to impress you (the music I shared was deliberately made to sound simple/folkish, the only reason I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music, I thought it was something you specifically asked, oh well).

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.
     
    I mostly visit just my own, but thanks for the link. It is important.

    Replies: @Yahya

  125. Sean says:
    @LatW
    @Sean


    Разведка Боем — scouting by drawing fire and ‘soaking up firepower’ has a hold on Russian military thinking. Ukrainian too. The ethnic Russian in the Ukrainian army is quite likely to be find himself being used for that kind of thing
     
    Rozvedka boem has been going on for weeks now, as the Ukrainians are preparing to advance.
    This is done by everybody, regardless of what language they speak (and by the way, they are not ethnic Russians, but Russian speaking ethnic Ukrainians).

    That is why there is still a considerable outflow from Ukraine of Russian families with sons approaching 18.

     

    I don't blame them, and I have encountered both languages in the refugee stream. My home country has accepted teenage boys from Kharkiv.

    That doesn't take away from my point that there are many patriotic Ukrainians who happen to have Russian as their first language (because it was more convenient for them). It is not correct to compare them to Wagner convicts, and that's putting it mildly.

    Replies: @Sean

    My home country has accepted teenage boys from Kharkiv.

    Prolly worried they would be tagged as collaborators if they did not “volunteer”

    I have encountered both languages in the refugee stream.

    They are wary of saying they are ethnic Russians. Especially to Poles!

    It is not correct to compare them to Wagner convicts, and that’s putting it mildly.

    Correct. The Wagner convicts have more chance of going home, reportedly 20,000 already have because they completed their six month contract

  126. LatW says:
    @Yahya
    @LatW


    (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).
     
    Projection much? I was making fun of your explicit philo-Nazi tendencies (since you decided to make yourself my enemy a while back, after I was nice to you. Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw).

    I haven’t expressed any objections to Europeans commemorating their dead. I visited St. Paul’s Cathedral recently and was impressed by the memorials to British Imperial soldiers and colonial administrators. I had not been previously aware that St. Paul housed these statues, including one of the great man himself:


    https://i.ibb.co/BynZQ34/0-B8-C4888-4-E4-B-43-FE-A58-E-193-AFE7-E3312.jpg


    There is a large WW2 memorial in Egypt dedicated to commonwealth soldiers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamein_Memorial

    I was taken to the place on a school trip, many years ago.

    I recall meeting an English WW2 veteran there, but not much else.

    There is another one nearby, dedicated to Italian soldiers of WW2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_War_Memorial_at_El_Alamein

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.

    Replies: @LatW

    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don’t need that (not from you in any case). I thought you would know better being on this forum, which is full of all kinds of unusual people, but where the unspoken rule is “freedom of expression”.

    Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw.

    That’s fine, it’s a matter of taste. I listen to a lot of academic music as well. I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs, I wasn’t trying to impress you (the music I shared was deliberately made to sound simple/folkish, the only reason I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music, I thought it was something you specifically asked, oh well).

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.

    I mostly visit just my own, but thanks for the link. It is important.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @LatW


    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don’t need that (not from you in any case).
     
    Well, we have different interpretations of that episode.

    But water under the bridge.

    I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs
     
    Cool. Have you sung some of this Latvian lady’s tunes?

    https://youtu.be/rttecfu1NBQ

    I discovered her randomly on YouTube about a year ago.

    She’s another obscure yet high-quality composer.

    Arvo Part is pretty good too, perhaps the only classical composer of late 20th century worth listening to.

    Impressive considering the tiny population. I think Baltics could’ve been a “Great Culture”, if only they had scale.

    I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music
     
    I’m already familiar with European folk music, especially the Eastern European traditions, which I think are much better than Western European folk. Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Balkan music.

    https://youtu.be/7iT54oRUUz0

    Good stuff.

    Replies: @LatW

  127. @Coconuts
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality. Whereas the cat was understood to be Jewish and Oriental due to its individualism.

    At least in Germany in the 1930s.

    The reference to the original German article is in the Johann Chapoutot book 'The Law of Blood', sadly I don't have access to it at present.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird

    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality

    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.

    I’ve long been fascinated by the idea that dogs have influenced human evolution. Most extreme theory seems to be that they caused the Neolithic evolution, made the domestication of other animals and plants possible, but I suspect that one could even go further than that, and suggest that they caused the megafauna to go extinct, which necessitated an increasing toolkit and increasing intelligence to hunt and trap smaller game. Of course, one flaw in this is that the extinctions of Australian megafauna seem to have preceded the arrival of dogs, but they may have been less formidable animals.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

  128. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    That was the 1950 Walt Disney
     
    Actually the 1934 film was the one I saw.

    The guy who played Squire Trelawney in that version, Nigel Bruce, used to play Dr. Watson in Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people were unhappy with his depiction of a dumb Watson, but he seems to have been typecast as buffoonish a longtime before he even played the role.



    Not sure if I ever saw the Disney one, but I think probably not. Still have a vague memory of doing a skit in school around the book. Can't recall who played what part, but I do recall Ben Gunn's line about cheese.

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942). Not as good as the other Sabatini adaptations I've seen Captain Blood and Scaramouche (which differs from and is probably superior to the book), but I still thought it was an enjoyable film, particularly the second half.

    Quite curious on some levels. The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film - can't believe they would make a movie like that now. I've read Maureen O'Hara refused to remove her wedding ring and they had to use some camera trickery, to make it seem like the ring was on a different finger. They unfortunately dyed her hair. I liked the guy who played Morgan, he seemed very jolly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack, @S

    Martin Freeman did a good Watson.

    • Thanks: songbird
  129. @sudden death
    Anybody has seen Pope and Prigozhin in the same room?;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/hGqMHNvC/prigozhin-pope.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Sean

    General Surovikin and Prigozhin have been ordered to put their heads together–even if it results in them making an ass of themselves.

    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other; both have been at the front where they had very close shaves.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other.
     
    לא פלא ששני יהודים חכמים תמיד ימצאו שפה משותפת...

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

  130. @LatW
    @Yahya

    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don't need that (not from you in any case). I thought you would know better being on this forum, which is full of all kinds of unusual people, but where the unspoken rule is "freedom of expression".


    Those Latvian folk tunes you referred me to were gypsy-tier garbage, btw.
     
    That's fine, it's a matter of taste. I listen to a lot of academic music as well. I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs, I wasn't trying to impress you (the music I shared was deliberately made to sound simple/folkish, the only reason I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music, I thought it was something you specifically asked, oh well).

    You’d probably prefer to visit this one, if you are ever in Egypt.
     
    I mostly visit just my own, but thanks for the link. It is important.

    Replies: @Yahya

    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don’t need that (not from you in any case).

    Well, we have different interpretations of that episode.

    But water under the bridge.

    I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs

    Cool. Have you sung some of this Latvian lady’s tunes?

    I discovered her randomly on YouTube about a year ago.

    She’s another obscure yet high-quality composer.

    Arvo Part is pretty good too, perhaps the only classical composer of late 20th century worth listening to.

    Impressive considering the tiny population. I think Baltics could’ve been a “Great Culture”, if only they had scale.

    I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music

    I’m already familiar with European folk music, especially the Eastern European traditions, which I think are much better than Western European folk. Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Balkan music.

    Good stuff.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Yahya


    I discovered her randomly on YouTube about a year ago.
     
    Of course, I know this piece very well. "God, Thy land is on fire". It was written in 1940 right before the invasions. It is an appropriate song to play on this occasion. It is done very well with a choir and an organ, with the Lord's Prayer in the end.

    Arvo Pärt
     
    He is very minimalist, if one is into that, but, yes, very good.

    Well, here are a couple of Latvian opera singers for you:

    Elina Garanca

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U9gIr5aIyU

    Kristine Opolais

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjsLHvv3Wk

  131. @Beckow
    @Barbarossa


    ...going to be in a progressive cycle of freakouts...people of all stripes are getting increasingly unhinged and this will likely continue.
     
    That is the context we are living in. It is not clear why it is happening other than it often happens after long-periods of peace and prosperity. The ennui sets in, and there is the inevitable collapse of accumulated pyramid schemes that societies are built on. The generational flow stops working.

    50% of women now choose not to have families - that leaves a large number of men with no role. The elites switched to depending on female support, incl. the gender freaks, but they are a symptom. The leader of the pack cultivating female support is an ancient dynamic - it works well enough for the apes.

    Staying calm is the best strategy, but it doesn't solve it, the freak-outs will get worse. Childless people are simply end-of-liners. Their biology doesn't exist, they loose a sense of restraint, it becomes a sad cul-de-sac of hedonism and anger. The weak men use it to stay in power until it eventually collapses. In the meantime we will have a circus.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I pretty much agree, but I think that maintaining composure and focus is more than just a personal strategy, it is fundamentally part of the solution.

    As an individual none of have much real ability to change much in the societal freakout. The only avenues we have are to maintain our families and foster sanity in our own circles of family and friends.
    If I became obsessed by QAnon, Trump, the Russia Ukraine conflict, or any other rabbit hole to the point that I ceased to engage with my family and community then I am part of the problem with society.

    I know plenty of people like this. They are Red and Trumpy as can be but they wonder why their kids are so Woke. Where they talking to their kids and modelling a real life for them or just glued to Hannity and Limbaugh?

    Sure, I’ll vote if there are any options worth worth a shot and I’ll stay informed, but fundamentally putting some grounded kids into the world is the best avenue to turn things around. Especially since as you point out so many have abdicated that opportunity.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  132. LatW says:
    @Yahya
    @LatW


    If I recall correctly, you were trying to lecture me and I don’t need that (not from you in any case).
     
    Well, we have different interpretations of that episode.

    But water under the bridge.

    I used to sing in a very good choir, and I know hundreds of folk songs
     
    Cool. Have you sung some of this Latvian lady’s tunes?

    https://youtu.be/rttecfu1NBQ

    I discovered her randomly on YouTube about a year ago.

    She’s another obscure yet high-quality composer.

    Arvo Part is pretty good too, perhaps the only classical composer of late 20th century worth listening to.

    Impressive considering the tiny population. I think Baltics could’ve been a “Great Culture”, if only they had scale.

    I shared it was because you were saying something about wanting to hear European folk music
     
    I’m already familiar with European folk music, especially the Eastern European traditions, which I think are much better than Western European folk. Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Balkan music.

    https://youtu.be/7iT54oRUUz0

    Good stuff.

    Replies: @LatW

    I discovered her randomly on YouTube about a year ago.

    Of course, I know this piece very well. “God, Thy land is on fire”. It was written in 1940 right before the invasions. It is an appropriate song to play on this occasion. It is done very well with a choir and an organ, with the Lord’s Prayer in the end.

    Arvo Pärt

    He is very minimalist, if one is into that, but, yes, very good.

    Well, here are a couple of Latvian opera singers for you:

    Elina Garanca

    Kristine Opolais

    • Thanks: Yahya
  133. @Sean
    @sudden death

    https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/np_file_195183.jpeg


    General Surovikin and Prigozhin have been ordered to put their heads together--even if it results in them making an ass of themselves.

    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other; both have been at the front where they had very close shaves.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other.

    לא פלא ששני יהודים חכמים תמיד ימצאו שפה משותפת…

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    What is the nationality of Mizintsev?;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Sean
    @Ivashka the fool

    Surovikin was the designer of the Bakhmut operation, and thus of the use of convicts by Wagner. Proigozhin is a manager (as he was for the troll farm), and PR front man.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  134. @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other.
     
    לא פלא ששני יהודים חכמים תמיד ימצאו שפה משותפת...

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    What is the nationality of Mizintsev?;)

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    He is from the small Sjamzha village in the Vologda region. Before the arrival of Novgorodian colonists, this region was peopled by Ugric tribes. Mostly Vepsy.

    http://www.krassever.ru/statics/thumbs/840x560/1df-mizincevsema-84056080.jpg

    https://vk.com/@holmgardhype-nasledie-finno-ugrov-v-vologodskoi-oblasti

  135. Sher Singh says:

    Mr hack hidden for gay postin wtf is wrong with you?
    Fkn weirdo faggot.

    Sikhs attacked by fans at UFC Event
    by u/TheSuperSingh in Sikh

    Some background. The white guys started recording the singhs dumalla and making jokes. One of the singhs saw and got tight and told him to delete it. Then the long haired white guy started getting aggresive and threw a sucker punch then the singhs ended what they started

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Yeah, that was a painfully unnecessary pic.

    Now you know it's an awkward situation when A123 won't even acknowledge the post and respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    Replies: @A123, @A123, @Mr. Hack

  136. @Sher Singh
    Mr hack hidden for gay postin wtf is wrong with you?
    Fkn weirdo faggot.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/13avkcf/sikhs_attacked_by_fans_at_ufc_event/

    Some background. The white guys started recording the singhs dumalla and making jokes. One of the singhs saw and got tight and told him to delete it. Then the long haired white guy started getting aggresive and threw a sucker punch then the singhs ended what they started
     

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yeah, that was a painfully unnecessary pic.

    Now you know it’s an awkward situation when A123 won’t even acknowledge the post and respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    A123 won’t even acknowledge the post
     
    I have had Mr. Hack blocked on compassionate grounds for quite some time. He needs psychiatric help that I cannot provide. All I can do is offer forgiveness... and pity.

    respond with his own scantily clad female pics.
     
    As you request [MORE]

    PSA -- Clothing one should NOT wear at the range.

    PEACE 😇

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxoUyrU47l1Fyr9Dc089zEuCi5dMLwwLS0-MPKGsZT_sjA-HoPAw-ZD_b5GP4lagvNgxDum9bZTn5dS9oTEGkSXLP-nO0XyZTkTVY9d1GRpaswHrjrttC6fddfnwVEY4pW-mpYJtL6qG9N5HV5dYuTAbs7Z4Vx7S7sLA_PpCZ-bNsJpD700aBfehyvGg/s379/m1.gif

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDFbIT4n7XjmJF7lubx6whmqoXPvi9aBnZQRPZM6XXZfHN9__xwpHcAgp6kjKWphezX4e04CmWcsLInQtENUehnn9QrykJGa3y1f5sDINo0lvni5j6KR1n1P-eeFg4n9l3tmHfN_hNQeyXat3k77xUAW6jjeOujOVA-5opa8rMJFGMCWhNFRN0wHGnIQ/s793/90miles2d62229c79098ac8ce2de495a30aa0e5_d77ccad4_640.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @Barbarossa

    How about a 😁chick pic😂 instead? [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    https://quicklol.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/chicken-wearing-a-pink-bikini.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    These types of displays are what I'm ranting against. Pretending that they don't exist or ducking ones head into the sand wont make them go away. I though that this was a site for adults that don't want to duck the hard questions and want to discuss the issues of the day. This is the kind of stuff going on in the world today.

  137. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    What is the nationality of Mizintsev?;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    He is from the small Sjamzha village in the Vologda region. Before the arrival of Novgorodian colonists, this region was peopled by Ugric tribes. Mostly Vepsy.

    https://vk.com/@holmgardhype-nasledie-finno-ugrov-v-vologodskoi-oblasti

    • Thanks: sudden death
  138. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Yeah, that was a painfully unnecessary pic.

    Now you know it's an awkward situation when A123 won't even acknowledge the post and respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    Replies: @A123, @A123, @Mr. Hack

    A123 won’t even acknowledge the post

    I have had Mr. Hack blocked on compassionate grounds for quite some time. He needs psychiatric help that I cannot provide. All I can do is offer forgiveness… and pity.

    respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    As you request [MORE]

    PSA — Clothing one should NOT wear at the range.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]


     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Are you positive that its me that is in need of psychiatric help, Dr. kremlinstoogeA123?

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/59/5c/7c/595c7cee1e3027ba81e5a0093e7a88c4.jpg

  139. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Yeah, that was a painfully unnecessary pic.

    Now you know it's an awkward situation when A123 won't even acknowledge the post and respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    Replies: @A123, @A123, @Mr. Hack

    How about a 😁chick pic😂 instead? [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • LOL: Yahya, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @A123

    Blackguard, Vanguard & State secret own the largest stakes in:

    Oil & Gas Distribution
    Truck Engines
    Truck Manufacturers

    &

    Each other!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gku3TVThf-o

    Replies: @QCIC

  140. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russia is the world's most cat culture since Ancient Egypt, which is maybe not surprising as a co-incidence (who really built the pyramids?).

    Dogs are a lot less popular than in the West, just look in size of the pet food areas in the supermarket.

    Somewhere in the cats vs dogs, was one of the philosophical differences of Russian and American culture.

    I guess, the normal ego boosting stereotype, would be related to the spiritual vs utilitarian.

    Cats believe they are aristocrats, or politically accepted to say, "cats are like the proletariat after class consciousness", domestic dogs behave like somekind of eugenically created slaves, or maybe kind to say they are responsible citizens with high social responsibility.

    Less romantic reality, is apartments are small and dogs are expensive. Cats are easy pets, dogs are more work.


    Russians oppose killing stray dogs who attack people (among which children and women are often targeted). I must admit that some of these semi-feral dogs are extremely smart.

     

    I don't know, there is a problem with a lot people killing street dogs, there is lack of adequate animal protection in the postsoviet countries. Although I saw enough YouTube, to know Americans are even worse with animal protection.

    I don't know the law, but hopefully after Ukraine joins the EU, there will more laws on this topic.
    https://kp.ua/incidents/308810-sobak-ubyvauit-ot-strakha-yly-yz-mesty-za-pohybshykh-koshek


    stray dogs have become a real problem
     
    Street dogs are like the Bloods vs Crips.

    Street cats? When I was a small child, we could walk to school across cats frozen to pieces of ice on the asphalt. It's like throwing some noble Roman with the Mediterranean toga, on to Antarctica.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @OK Boomer

    It’s like that joke, which goes “if Russia is under attack, how come it is so big?”.

    So, if strays rights are not protected in Eastern Europe, how come they are so many?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @OK Boomer

    A single female dog can have 10 or 30 children a year.

    Their expansion of population is not exactly related to animal protection, actually the opposite.

    In the countries with higher standards for animal protection, they would sterilize the female street dogs and give them an opportunity for domestication, even they could be adopted by residents.

    -

    In many countries, there is also another situation where many animals seem to be immigrating to the cities. Partly this is related to increasing destruction and imbalances of the ecology, the use of chemicals in agriculture, the killing of insect populations, the killing of too many fish in the ocean.

    So, now in the industrialized societies, even many animals who would normally live in the forests, are also becoming a kind of refugees who have to live in humans' concrete jungles.

  141. Mikel says:

    I guess our former host was always a bit eccentric. TBH, I never cared too much for his posts and came here essentially for the comments section but for the past months, following his full acknowledgement of the Z-fiasco, his twitter feed is full of totally autistic posts like these:

    I updated towards AI doom at #Zuzalu. Not Yud level, but I’m now closer to Christiano or Roko than to Hanson. Regulation is near certain so it’s best to front-run it with decentralized but rigorous safety protocol to avoid both Scylla of paperclips & Charybdis of Butlerian Jihad.

    Back to the topic, the ASI could willingly devote a tiny percentage of its resources to directly play-acting the Dark Lord/Dark One.

    The subsequent Long War between Light and Shadow will be endless variations on the one that gives birth to the template: EA vs. e/acc.

    Whatever he’s trying to say, I know I don’t want to be part of the small group able to understand such sentences (assuming there’s such a group).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel

    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he'll eventually return there, given how Russia seems to have disappointed his expectations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mikel

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Well, AK is back to his futurist / transhumanist roots.

    I agree with him that the Technosphere and its AI development will have much more bearing on the future of life than the archaic and idiotic tribal Slav infighting in the Wild Field and the Donbas.

    I remember arguing humorously with Daniel Chieh about the Butlerian Jihad being required for us to survive the Technosphere.

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    He compares this dialectics it to a controlled opposition similar to late Zoroastrianism and/or the Bogomil heresy theological pattern of thought.

    He might be right. He was always good discussing these topics.

    Nothing really new here, except for the Manichean accelerationist outlook (which is indeed interesting), Vernadsky had fleshed out the evolution of the lithosphere towards the noosphere in the early around a century ago.

    And yeah, we are not many to be interested in these topics...

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2ss6gomAJdqjwdSCy/what-s-the-deal-with-effective-accelerationalism-e-acc

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Barbarossa

  142. @Gerard1234
    @Ok Hun

    Thanks for that - very interesting. I had assumed that Bucharest as a city had become more or less western European in infrastructure/ living standards, just as Praga, Budapest or Bratislava - happy to be corrected.

    Tell us - are the dog attacks in Romania worse in the city or in the villages?

    Replies: @Ok Hun

    In the villages, people never cared for the new laws, which require vaccination, tagging, and, with few exception, castration of all dogs. (Breeding is supposed to be reserved to licensed facilities.) As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.

    In the cities, strays were eliminated a few years ago, but returned, to a lesser degree, since covid. It’s still to a lesser extent than in villages. Recently, I happened to eat at a shawarma place just a few tens of steps from the gate of the Baneasa Airport, when three strays came in the restaurant begging.

    The stray can’t open restaurant doors. Obviously, there is a significant proportion in Romania who thinks strays should be nourished, especially when their food would be my shawarma. In any case, these people outnumber the ones who are afraid of rabies and hate stepping on dog feces. The mayors feel that there isn’t much to gain from getting rid of strays, so they saved money by cutting down on dog catchers. Nature is healing, LOL.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ok Hun


    As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.
     
    Walking alone unarmed. Old people need guns.

    Replies: @songbird

  143. @Ok Hun
    @Gerard1234

    In the villages, people never cared for the new laws, which require vaccination, tagging, and, with few exception, castration of all dogs. (Breeding is supposed to be reserved to licensed facilities.) As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.

    In the cities, strays were eliminated a few years ago, but returned, to a lesser degree, since covid. It's still to a lesser extent than in villages. Recently, I happened to eat at a shawarma place just a few tens of steps from the gate of the Baneasa Airport, when three strays came in the restaurant begging.

    The stray can't open restaurant doors. Obviously, there is a significant proportion in Romania who thinks strays should be nourished, especially when their food would be my shawarma. In any case, these people outnumber the ones who are afraid of rabies and hate stepping on dog feces. The mayors feel that there isn't much to gain from getting rid of strays, so they saved money by cutting down on dog catchers. Nature is healing, LOL.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.

    Walking alone unarmed. Old people need guns.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a wiki article about stray dogs in Bucharest:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_dogs_in_Bucharest

    According to it, a Japanese tourist was killed in 2006, and a German family (?) then adopted the dog that killed him, and it has since died of old age.

  144. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Yeah, that was a painfully unnecessary pic.

    Now you know it's an awkward situation when A123 won't even acknowledge the post and respond with his own scantily clad female pics.

    Replies: @A123, @A123, @Mr. Hack

    These types of displays are what I’m ranting against. Pretending that they don’t exist or ducking ones head into the sand wont make them go away. I though that this was a site for adults that don’t want to duck the hard questions and want to discuss the issues of the day. This is the kind of stuff going on in the world today.

  145. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    A123 won’t even acknowledge the post
     
    I have had Mr. Hack blocked on compassionate grounds for quite some time. He needs psychiatric help that I cannot provide. All I can do is offer forgiveness... and pity.

    respond with his own scantily clad female pics.
     
    As you request [MORE]

    PSA -- Clothing one should NOT wear at the range.

    PEACE 😇

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgxoUyrU47l1Fyr9Dc089zEuCi5dMLwwLS0-MPKGsZT_sjA-HoPAw-ZD_b5GP4lagvNgxDum9bZTn5dS9oTEGkSXLP-nO0XyZTkTVY9d1GRpaswHrjrttC6fddfnwVEY4pW-mpYJtL6qG9N5HV5dYuTAbs7Z4Vx7S7sLA_PpCZ-bNsJpD700aBfehyvGg/s379/m1.gif

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiDFbIT4n7XjmJF7lubx6whmqoXPvi9aBnZQRPZM6XXZfHN9__xwpHcAgp6kjKWphezX4e04CmWcsLInQtENUehnn9QrykJGa3y1f5sDINo0lvni5j6KR1n1P-eeFg4n9l3tmHfN_hNQeyXat3k77xUAW6jjeOujOVA-5opa8rMJFGMCWhNFRN0wHGnIQ/s793/90miles2d62229c79098ac8ce2de495a30aa0e5_d77ccad4_640.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Are you positive that its me that is in need of psychiatric help, Dr. kremlinstoogeA123?

  146. @LatW
    @Yahya


    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?
     
    There is a separate date for that. It already passed this year. And the memorial is not for the SS (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    Replies: @Yahya, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    …memorial is not for the SS

    Really? So who is it for? Latvian nationalist militias who fought on the side of Nazis? You tell us why they march and celebrate.

    It makes all the difference in the world. WW2 was a cataclysmic event won by Russia and lost by Germany and its allies. Or you can say won by the Soviets, if you can’t bring yourself to mouth the word “Russia”, not much of a difference.

    All history was complicated. But the brutal crimes of Latvians against their minorities were not. To march and celebrate it is in very bad taste. It is also something future generations of Latvians will eventually denounce. If there are any.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    All history was complicated.
     
    There will be reconciliation. It is coming. At least, in the EE, not sure about Russia. They might take longer.

    Replies: @Beckow

  147. @LatW
    @Beckow


    The support was roughly half-and-half with the pro-Nato half mostly composed of many people who wanted it symbolically and didn’t want actual bases and armed hostility with Russia.
     
    First, nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia (it is expensive). Second, so now you're saying NATO membership is "symbolic"? But you kept saying it's a threat. So which one is it? If it is purely symbolic and you say that some countries so wanted to keep peace with Russia, then let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?

    As to the bases, be clear about what you mean. You are probably insinuating American bases. There aren't any of those in Eastern Europe, or American troops in large numbers. All of our local military installations simply become "NATO bases" formally. Those are Slovakian bases.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    nobody in Europe wanted any hostility with Russia

    That is an obvious lie. From the neo-cons (plenty of them in Europe) to EE resentful revenge-seeking nationalists and liberals in Poland, Baltic, etc…there were plenty of powerful groups that wanted hostility with Russia. Why would you deny it?

    now you’re saying NATO membership is “symbolic”

    No, don’t intentionally misrepresent what I said: many in EE supported Nato as a ‘symbolic’ gesture, joining Europe, and had no desire to confront Russia. They were lied to and misled – Nato has planned a confrontation with Russia for a very long time, since it was created.

    let Slovakia or Hungary exit NATO like Putin requested right before the war? Or have you forgotten about that little ultimatum?

    Ultimatum? it was an opening round in the Nato-Russia negotiation – there was a deal acceptable to both sides. But some really wanted to go for a war.

    Nato bases…There aren’t any of those in Eastern Europe

    Another lie. There are plenty of Nato bases in EE – some are called ‘temporary’ or are mislabeled as ‘local bases’, but there are by any definition quite a few EE Nato bases. Why would you deny it?

    You are running away from the reality of what is happening and how we got there. Don’t play with meaning of terms or deny the obvious, stick with the neo-con narrative: “Russia is evil, we have aways known it, we are going to attack again, this time we will finally defeat it!

    At least understand what you are fighting for – and possibly dying. You constantly deny what is very obvious and that is disorienting in a war – doubts and complexity are behind us. Our collective skin is in the game, at least let’s see it clearly.

  148. @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    Prigozhin and Surovikin respect each other.
     
    לא פלא ששני יהודים חכמים תמיד ימצאו שפה משותפת...

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    Surovikin was the designer of the Bakhmut operation, and thus of the use of convicts by Wagner. Proigozhin is a manager (as he was for the troll farm), and PR front man.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean

    Stralkov has nicknamed Prigozhin "the Dark Clown".

    When Prigozhin went to offer mandarines for Chistmas to Ukrainian POWs captured by WG, he was filmed saying : "Why am I bringing them these [mandarines] ? Because they are Slavs too." And he had a little smile.

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2013/12/1213-world-Nuland2.jpg

    By their fruits will you know them.

    https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/1/5/17554518.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

  149. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ok Hun


    As such, every few months, you would still read about an older villager mauled to death when they made the mistake of walking alone on farmland.
     
    Walking alone unarmed. Old people need guns.

    Replies: @songbird

    There is a wiki article about stray dogs in Bucharest:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_dogs_in_Bucharest

    According to it, a Japanese tourist was killed in 2006, and a German family (?) then adopted the dog that killed him, and it has since died of old age.

  150. @Sean
    @Ivashka the fool

    Surovikin was the designer of the Bakhmut operation, and thus of the use of convicts by Wagner. Proigozhin is a manager (as he was for the troll farm), and PR front man.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Stralkov has nicknamed Prigozhin “the Dark Clown”.

    When Prigozhin went to offer mandarines for Chistmas to Ukrainian POWs captured by WG, he was filmed saying : “Why am I bringing them these [mandarines] ? Because they are Slavs too.” And he had a little smile.

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    By their fruits will you know them.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Two images that show exactly what's going on.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Know Your memes.

    "Important thing to understand about Noviops is that both government and opposition in Russia consists of Noviops. They are relatives and they are foreign for the majority of Russia's population: ethnic Russians.

    So Russian "democratic opposition" can never win popular vote. For ex Kasparov is armenian jew from Azerbaijan. He can't explain why he even bother to do politics in Russia. He has zero political perspectives in democratic Russia. Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant "Russian" "opposition" figure and be sure it's not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    So political process in Russia is a fuss of small minority ethnic group and does not represent Russian people AT ALL."

    Noviop.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.
     
    And where would Ukraine be today without the weaponry and ammo providedby these gift givers?

    An overrun country that would be glued unwillingly to a belligerent and authoritarian RusFed, something that Ukraine has been struggling against for many centuries. Russian empire building has meant a loss of meaningful statehood and ethnicity for the vast number of Ukrainians. There will not be many janisaries, like our Professor, left in Ukraine after the dust settles. The real "giftgivers" have been the Russians, always ready to give, but with a big stick (instead of cookies and milk) hidden in the other hand.

    Putin Says Ukraine Doesn’t Exist. That’s Why He’s Trying to Destroy It.

    Is a turn towards Moscow really realistic today? These are the options Ivashka, either Nuland and her cookies or Putler with his cruise missiles and bombs. Which one would you opt for?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  151. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    I guess our former host was always a bit eccentric. TBH, I never cared too much for his posts and came here essentially for the comments section but for the past months, following his full acknowledgement of the Z-fiasco, his twitter feed is full of totally autistic posts like these:

    I updated towards AI doom at #Zuzalu. Not Yud level, but I'm now closer to Christiano or Roko than to Hanson. Regulation is near certain so it's best to front-run it with decentralized but rigorous safety protocol to avoid both Scylla of paperclips & Charybdis of Butlerian Jihad.
     

    Back to the topic, the ASI could willingly devote a tiny percentage of its resources to directly play-acting the Dark Lord/Dark One.

    The subsequent Long War between Light and Shadow will be endless variations on the one that gives birth to the template: EA vs. e/acc.
     
    Whatever he's trying to say, I know I don't want to be part of the small group able to understand such sentences (assuming there's such a group).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he’ll eventually return there, given how Russia seems to have disappointed his expectations.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @German_reader

    There is no need going back to California.

    AI reshaping the Technosphere is a global trend that is important everywhere. If AK sticks to what he really understands, that is IQ / HBD and Fururism / Transhumanism, he will be very useful in post-war Eurasia.

    Besides, California as a functional society is going down the drain real fast, which is normal for a society where the techno elite disconnects from the useless eating masses.

    https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/two-mile-homeless-camp-takes-over-in-californias-posh-marin-county/

    Funny how Bruce Sterling predicted it happening some twenty something years ago. He had nomadic Proles moving through the US landscape in a generation time.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Distraction-Bruce-Sterling/dp/0553576399

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he’ll eventually return there
     
    Hard to envision how. He must surely have lost his green card since then, if he had one. And he must already be on the FBI's radar. Hard to convince them that he's escaping Putin's regime lol.

    I suspect he will have to stay in Russia, hoping that AI and CRISPR fixes things. Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West made me think that Russia could be a good alternative if the political and social situation in the US deteriorated too much. The Altai mountains area, close to China and Mongolia, or perhaps the Caucasus seemed to approach the kind of natural environment that I need. Not anymore, once Putin decided to show the world what kind of country Russia really is.

    Replies: @German_reader

  152. @Mikel
    I guess our former host was always a bit eccentric. TBH, I never cared too much for his posts and came here essentially for the comments section but for the past months, following his full acknowledgement of the Z-fiasco, his twitter feed is full of totally autistic posts like these:

    I updated towards AI doom at #Zuzalu. Not Yud level, but I'm now closer to Christiano or Roko than to Hanson. Regulation is near certain so it's best to front-run it with decentralized but rigorous safety protocol to avoid both Scylla of paperclips & Charybdis of Butlerian Jihad.
     

    Back to the topic, the ASI could willingly devote a tiny percentage of its resources to directly play-acting the Dark Lord/Dark One.

    The subsequent Long War between Light and Shadow will be endless variations on the one that gives birth to the template: EA vs. e/acc.
     
    Whatever he's trying to say, I know I don't want to be part of the small group able to understand such sentences (assuming there's such a group).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, AK is back to his futurist / transhumanist roots.

    I agree with him that the Technosphere and its AI development will have much more bearing on the future of life than the archaic and idiotic tribal Slav infighting in the Wild Field and the Donbas.

    I remember arguing humorously with Daniel Chieh about the Butlerian Jihad being required for us to survive the Technosphere.

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    He compares this dialectics it to a controlled opposition similar to late Zoroastrianism and/or the Bogomil heresy theological pattern of thought.

    He might be right. He was always good discussing these topics.

    Nothing really new here, except for the Manichean accelerationist outlook (which is indeed interesting), Vernadsky had fleshed out the evolution of the lithosphere towards the noosphere in the early around a century ago.

    And yeah, we are not many to be interested in these topics…

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2ss6gomAJdqjwdSCy/what-s-the-deal-with-effective-accelerationalism-e-acc

    🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    If you had paid more attention in Sunday School you would know that fiddling with the genetics of your offspring is a violation of commandment # 3.


    You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
     
    There are only 10. You could put it in your twitter and shock some folks.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020&version=RSV

    Exodus ch 20 verse 3-17.

    Playing like you are God is very very very foolish. : )
    , @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool


    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.
     
    Thanks. Still not basic enough for my understanding but it does sound like the kind of stuff one puts his mind in after a big real life disappointment. The relevant part for me though is not the meaning of his words but how he chooses them and how he conscious or unconsciously comes across to a normal audience. At the beginning of the war he became moderately famous with people like Hanania interacting with him and even some presence in the MSM iirc.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm currently reading Noah Yuval Harari's Homo Deus which is actually a good read. He's a smart guy and like AK clearly believes that AI and genetic engineering will create superhumans who will make normal humans obsolete. Harari seems to think that if you miss the bus on this one you will be rendered forever extraneous.

    Maybe he's right and perhaps in a few more years this will be somewhat true for the rich at any rate.

    Thus far the track record has been that all the tech has just made people even more retarded than they already were, so I'm sticking to my Luddite guns. My skepticism has been well placed so far.

    Some music for my place in the supposed AI revolution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nhZxzJAkY

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

  153. @German_reader
    @Mikel

    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he'll eventually return there, given how Russia seems to have disappointed his expectations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mikel

    There is no need going back to California.

    AI reshaping the Technosphere is a global trend that is important everywhere. If AK sticks to what he really understands, that is IQ / HBD and Fururism / Transhumanism, he will be very useful in post-war Eurasia.

    Besides, California as a functional society is going down the drain real fast, which is normal for a society where the techno elite disconnects from the useless eating masses.

    https://nypost.com/2023/05/05/two-mile-homeless-camp-takes-over-in-californias-posh-marin-county/

    Funny how Bruce Sterling predicted it happening some twenty something years ago. He had nomadic Proles moving through the US landscape in a generation time.

  154. Good development as poor indebted US should be relieved even just a little bit;)

    May 8, 2023

    The Council of the European on Friday adopted an assistance measure worth €1 billion under the European Peace Facility (EPF) to finance the provision to the Ukrainian Armed Forces of 155-mm-calibre artillery rounds and, if requested, missiles which will be jointly procured by EU member states from the European defence industry.

    EU High Representative Josep Borrell described the decision as another major step to deliver more ammunition to Ukraine. “The Ukrainian Armed Forces need substantial amounts of ammunition to defend the Ukrainian people and territory. They need it fast. Together with the previous decision to swiftly provide ammunition from existing stocks, we are committing €2 billion to this purpose, bringing the total EU military support to Ukraine to €5.6 billion,” he said.

    The measure will support joint procurement of ammunition and missiles from economic operators established in the EU or Norway, and producing these ammunition and missiles in the EU or Norway. The supply chains of these operators may include operators established or having their production outside of the EU or Norway. The measure will also cover deliveries of ammunition and missiles which have undergone an important stage of their manufacturing in the EU or Norway which consists of final assembly.

    Together with the previous packages of military support, the assistance measure adopted on Friday brings the total EU contribution for Ukraine to support the delivery of military equipment under the EPF to €5.6 billion.

    https://euneighbourseast.eu/news/latest-news/eu-agrees-e1-billion-support-for-joint-procurement-of-ammunition-and-missiles-for-ukraine/

  155. German_reader says:

    Thread by AfD politician about relations to Poland (after Konfederacja politician had invited members from AfD’s youth section who have recently been declared anti-constitutional by Germany’s inland security service):

    [MORE]


    Not going to have much success in the current climate, but at least a valiant attempt.

  156. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    That was the 1950 Walt Disney
     
    Actually the 1934 film was the one I saw.

    The guy who played Squire Trelawney in that version, Nigel Bruce, used to play Dr. Watson in Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people were unhappy with his depiction of a dumb Watson, but he seems to have been typecast as buffoonish a longtime before he even played the role.



    Not sure if I ever saw the Disney one, but I think probably not. Still have a vague memory of doing a skit in school around the book. Can't recall who played what part, but I do recall Ben Gunn's line about cheese.

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942). Not as good as the other Sabatini adaptations I've seen Captain Blood and Scaramouche (which differs from and is probably superior to the book), but I still thought it was an enjoyable film, particularly the second half.

    Quite curious on some levels. The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film - can't believe they would make a movie like that now. I've read Maureen O'Hara refused to remove her wedding ring and they had to use some camera trickery, to make it seem like the ring was on a different finger. They unfortunately dyed her hair. I liked the guy who played Morgan, he seemed very jolly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack, @S

    I finally watched the 1934 version of “Treasure Island” and would overall need to give the film a 3.5/5 star rating. In my book, anything over and including a “3” is a good film worth watching. The film is noteworthy, if for no other reason than it was one of the first of its kind in the very prolific pirate genre. Lots of incredibly fine photographic black/white cameo shots throughout the film. The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process.

    The acting was good and all the players played their parts well, Little Cooper led the tempo of the film at about the right pace. I thought that Wallace Beery did more than an adequate job in playing Long John Silver and his professionalism shone through at every turn. I was expecting more from Nigel Bruce and could see some of the “buffoonish” elements that you allude to shine through that made him such a hit (at least in my book) in his later romps as Dr. Watson in the famous Sherlock Holmes films. I’ll be viewing the 1950 version sometime soon too, so you see you’ve wetted my appetite for this kind of faire!

    A couple of times throughout the film Long John Silver would curse his rivals by refering to them as bein “dogfish”. I’ve never heard this curse before, but if you’ve ever seen a dogfish up close, you’ll understand the serious insult inflicted upon anybody said to look like one. 🙂

    I wont include a photo of such an apparition here, as I’ve noticed that some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish and don’t want to upset any more of anybody’s fine sensibilities.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Swashbucklers have been a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a child. I might have watched this one 20 times. Way more than Star Wars or Blade Runner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCNSulj_B2M&ab_channel=OscarMovieTrailers

    Replies: @S

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish

     

    Some speculate that aversion to gays (a reaction which I share) is an evolved response for avoiding the gay germ.

    What I've heard is that there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way. (I.e. mistaking dominance signals) No male animal actually spurns the female

    in his later romps as Dr. Watson
     
    I though Basil Rathbone was a very good Holmes, though, at least one of those films was really awful war propaganda.

    The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process
     
    I've read that widescreen disappeared during the Great Depression and only re-merged in 1953, when they were trying to differentiate from TV.

    Some years ago, I was happy to find a DVD of Prince of Foxes (1949), which was based on probably my all-time favorite adventure novel. The film was absolutely loaded with on-location shots, had thousands of extras, but it still wasn't in color! (Or widescreen)

    Though my bigger criticism would be what they did to the plot.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

  157. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Well, AK is back to his futurist / transhumanist roots.

    I agree with him that the Technosphere and its AI development will have much more bearing on the future of life than the archaic and idiotic tribal Slav infighting in the Wild Field and the Donbas.

    I remember arguing humorously with Daniel Chieh about the Butlerian Jihad being required for us to survive the Technosphere.

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    He compares this dialectics it to a controlled opposition similar to late Zoroastrianism and/or the Bogomil heresy theological pattern of thought.

    He might be right. He was always good discussing these topics.

    Nothing really new here, except for the Manichean accelerationist outlook (which is indeed interesting), Vernadsky had fleshed out the evolution of the lithosphere towards the noosphere in the early around a century ago.

    And yeah, we are not many to be interested in these topics...

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2ss6gomAJdqjwdSCy/what-s-the-deal-with-effective-accelerationalism-e-acc

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    If you had paid more attention in Sunday School you would know that fiddling with the genetics of your offspring is a violation of commandment # 3.

    You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

    There are only 10. You could put it in your twitter and shock some folks.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2020&version=RSV

    Exodus ch 20 verse 3-17.

    Playing like you are God is very very very foolish. : )

  158. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I finally watched the 1934 version of "Treasure Island" and would overall need to give the film a 3.5/5 star rating. In my book, anything over and including a "3" is a good film worth watching. The film is noteworthy, if for no other reason than it was one of the first of its kind in the very prolific pirate genre. Lots of incredibly fine photographic black/white cameo shots throughout the film. The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process.

    The acting was good and all the players played their parts well, Little Cooper led the tempo of the film at about the right pace. I thought that Wallace Beery did more than an adequate job in playing Long John Silver and his professionalism shone through at every turn. I was expecting more from Nigel Bruce and could see some of the "buffoonish" elements that you allude to shine through that made him such a hit (at least in my book) in his later romps as Dr. Watson in the famous Sherlock Holmes films. I'll be viewing the 1950 version sometime soon too, so you see you've wetted my appetite for this kind of faire!

    A couple of times throughout the film Long John Silver would curse his rivals by refering to them as bein "dogfish". I've never heard this curse before, but if you've ever seen a dogfish up close, you'll understand the serious insult inflicted upon anybody said to look like one. :-)

    I wont include a photo of such an apparition here, as I've noticed that some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish and don't want to upset any more of anybody's fine sensibilities.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Swashbucklers have been a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a child. I might have watched this one 20 times. Way more than Star Wars or Blade Runner.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks for the movie trailer clip.

    I was mildly disappointed to see at the end of it that the film title was not Devil-May-Care Philanderer, as the trailer still indicated and which sounded pretty good, but was 'merely' Captain Blood.

    Oh, well. ;-)

  159. Mikel says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Well, AK is back to his futurist / transhumanist roots.

    I agree with him that the Technosphere and its AI development will have much more bearing on the future of life than the archaic and idiotic tribal Slav infighting in the Wild Field and the Donbas.

    I remember arguing humorously with Daniel Chieh about the Butlerian Jihad being required for us to survive the Technosphere.

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    He compares this dialectics it to a controlled opposition similar to late Zoroastrianism and/or the Bogomil heresy theological pattern of thought.

    He might be right. He was always good discussing these topics.

    Nothing really new here, except for the Manichean accelerationist outlook (which is indeed interesting), Vernadsky had fleshed out the evolution of the lithosphere towards the noosphere in the early around a century ago.

    And yeah, we are not many to be interested in these topics...

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2ss6gomAJdqjwdSCy/what-s-the-deal-with-effective-accelerationalism-e-acc

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    Thanks. Still not basic enough for my understanding but it does sound like the kind of stuff one puts his mind in after a big real life disappointment. The relevant part for me though is not the meaning of his words but how he chooses them and how he conscious or unconsciously comes across to a normal audience. At the beginning of the war he became moderately famous with people like Hanania interacting with him and even some presence in the MSM iirc.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    Well, used to think Karlin has no interest about Russia and talks about it as a kind of imaginary space.

    But maybe he has absorbed a lot of this bohemian Moscow dreamer personality from his family. He might not be so isolated from the local culture.

    Bashibuzuk seems to understand Karlin, while I can't understand anything about their posts.

    I understand Bashibuzuk when he talks about Russia or religion, but those last few posts seem like somekind of code for me.

    I guess, culturally Bashibuzuk representative of the nonpractical, artistic bohemian "intellectual", Moscow late Soviet kind of culture.

    I guess in the 1980s, the science fiction was very popular with those kind of poetrical demographic in Moscow.

    In the Western culture, the poets and dreamers, were focusing more about the past. But in the Soviet Union, the poets were interested in technology and science, in a kind of mystical way.

    This is creating a kind of bohemian and poetical dreams about technology, which is of course a bit disconnected from the average engineer, who are usually a bit more like "boring people" let's say.

  160. S says:
    @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    That was the 1950 Walt Disney
     
    Actually the 1934 film was the one I saw.

    The guy who played Squire Trelawney in that version, Nigel Bruce, used to play Dr. Watson in Sherlock Holmes. A lot of people were unhappy with his depiction of a dumb Watson, but he seems to have been typecast as buffoonish a longtime before he even played the role.



    Not sure if I ever saw the Disney one, but I think probably not. Still have a vague memory of doing a skit in school around the book. Can't recall who played what part, but I do recall Ben Gunn's line about cheese.

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942). Not as good as the other Sabatini adaptations I've seen Captain Blood and Scaramouche (which differs from and is probably superior to the book), but I still thought it was an enjoyable film, particularly the second half.

    Quite curious on some levels. The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film - can't believe they would make a movie like that now. I've read Maureen O'Hara refused to remove her wedding ring and they had to use some camera trickery, to make it seem like the ring was on a different finger. They unfortunately dyed her hair. I liked the guy who played Morgan, he seemed very jolly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack, @S

    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942).

    Thanks for the review. The Black Swan seemed okay and who can argue with O’Hara. Tyrone Power, a very good actor, was very shortly going to be in the Marine Corps once the filming for the movie was over. Too bad the 3 to 4 pack a day smoking habit he had did him in at only 44 years of age.

    [MORE]

    The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film – can’t believe they would make a movie like that now.

    Probably not. Likewise, many have been surprised this scene from an episode of the original Star Trek series wasn’t left on the cutting room floor.

    ‘Don’t fight me, Janice.’

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp's obviously ambiguous character.


    The Black Swan seemed okay
     
    (spoiler) Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. - at least it seemed improbable to me.

    BTW, 'Blood' from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin - though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.

    Replies: @S, @LondonBob

  161. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Swashbucklers have been a guilty pleasure of mine since I was a child. I might have watched this one 20 times. Way more than Star Wars or Blade Runner.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCNSulj_B2M&ab_channel=OscarMovieTrailers

    Replies: @S

    Thanks for the movie trailer clip.

    I was mildly disappointed to see at the end of it that the film title was not Devil-May-Care Philanderer, as the trailer still indicated and which sounded pretty good, but was ‘merely’ Captain Blood.

    Oh, well. 😉

  162. @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean

    Stralkov has nicknamed Prigozhin "the Dark Clown".

    When Prigozhin went to offer mandarines for Chistmas to Ukrainian POWs captured by WG, he was filmed saying : "Why am I bringing them these [mandarines] ? Because they are Slavs too." And he had a little smile.

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2013/12/1213-world-Nuland2.jpg

    By their fruits will you know them.

    https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/1/5/17554518.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Two images that show exactly what’s going on.

  163. @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean

    Stralkov has nicknamed Prigozhin "the Dark Clown".

    When Prigozhin went to offer mandarines for Chistmas to Ukrainian POWs captured by WG, he was filmed saying : "Why am I bringing them these [mandarines] ? Because they are Slavs too." And he had a little smile.

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2013/12/1213-world-Nuland2.jpg

    By their fruits will you know them.

    https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/1/5/17554518.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Know Your memes.

    “Important thing to understand about Noviops is that both government and opposition in Russia consists of Noviops. They are relatives and they are foreign for the majority of Russia’s population: ethnic Russians.

    So Russian “democratic opposition” can never win popular vote. For ex Kasparov is armenian jew from Azerbaijan. He can’t explain why he even bother to do politics in Russia. He has zero political perspectives in democratic Russia. Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    So political process in Russia is a fuss of small minority ethnic group and does not represent Russian people AT ALL.”

    Noviop.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    Exactly what I was writing all along.

    , @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    Lyubov Sobol is a significant opposition figure and is Russian
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49205690

    Since Putin has a Jewish grandparent that would make him more Jewish than Sobol and Navalny. Doesn't sound like he qualifies as a pure Russian according to your own standards.

    In any case it doesn't really matter since Putin is a little pussy boy in an old man's body and is afraid of any opposition. That is why he poisons and imprisons them.

    Putin is a coward and the world thinks he is a joke. Look at the comments for his one tank parade:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6547PJRKv1w

    Do all the damage control you want but this war is a disaster and his image is permanently ruined.

    In his speech he described a war where Russia is defending civilization and the day before he launched missiles at civilian areas. What a clown. He can't even maintain a semi-sane image for 24 hours.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  164. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...memorial is not for the SS
     
    Really? So who is it for? Latvian nationalist militias who fought on the side of Nazis? You tell us why they march and celebrate.

    It makes all the difference in the world. WW2 was a cataclysmic event won by Russia and lost by Germany and its allies. Or you can say won by the Soviets, if you can't bring yourself to mouth the word "Russia", not much of a difference.

    All history was complicated. But the brutal crimes of Latvians against their minorities were not. To march and celebrate it is in very bad taste. It is also something future generations of Latvians will eventually denounce. If there are any.

    Replies: @LatW

    All history was complicated.

    There will be reconciliation. It is coming. At least, in the EE, not sure about Russia. They might take longer.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...not sure about Russia.
     
    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

  165. Mikel says:
    @German_reader
    @Mikel

    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he'll eventually return there, given how Russia seems to have disappointed his expectations.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mikel

    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he’ll eventually return there

    Hard to envision how. He must surely have lost his green card since then, if he had one. And he must already be on the FBI’s radar. Hard to convince them that he’s escaping Putin’s regime lol.

    I suspect he will have to stay in Russia, hoping that AI and CRISPR fixes things. Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West made me think that Russia could be a good alternative if the political and social situation in the US deteriorated too much. The Altai mountains area, close to China and Mongolia, or perhaps the Caucasus seemed to approach the kind of natural environment that I need. Not anymore, once Putin decided to show the world what kind of country Russia really is.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

  166. @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean

    Stralkov has nicknamed Prigozhin "the Dark Clown".

    When Prigozhin went to offer mandarines for Chistmas to Ukrainian POWs captured by WG, he was filmed saying : "Why am I bringing them these [mandarines] ? Because they are Slavs too." And he had a little smile.

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2013/12/1213-world-Nuland2.jpg

    By their fruits will you know them.

    https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/8/1/5/17554518.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke, @Mr. Hack

    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.

    And where would Ukraine be today without the weaponry and ammo providedby these gift givers?

    An overrun country that would be glued unwillingly to a belligerent and authoritarian RusFed, something that Ukraine has been struggling against for many centuries. Russian empire building has meant a loss of meaningful statehood and ethnicity for the vast number of Ukrainians. There will not be many janisaries, like our Professor, left in Ukraine after the dust settles. The real “giftgivers” have been the Russians, always ready to give, but with a big stick (instead of cookies and milk) hidden in the other hand.

    Putin Says Ukraine Doesn’t Exist. That’s Why He’s Trying to Destroy It.

    Is a turn towards Moscow really realistic today? These are the options Ivashka, either Nuland and her cookies or Putler with his cruise missiles and bombs. Which one would you opt for?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    A jew faking it everytime...


    https://twitter.com/Devilito02/status/1655723556330778625?s=20

    ...it is what everyone wants deep down.

  167. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    How about a 😁chick pic😂 instead? [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    https://quicklol.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/chicken-wearing-a-pink-bikini.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Blackguard, Vanguard & State secret own the largest stakes in:

    Oil & Gas Distribution
    Truck Engines
    Truck Manufacturers

    &

    Each other!

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sher Singh

    I'm sure these creeps are colluding but modern diesel long-haul trucks are pretty efficient. There may be a tradeoff between exhaust emissions and further efficiency improvements in the engines. I assume trucks are optimized for lowest total cost so fuel efficiency isn't the only factor.

  168. S says:

    A lot of famous supposed quotes, when you check up on them, turn out that if they even had been spoken at all, to have been so post edited in the years after they had originally been uttered that it is questionable if their original point had remained intact.

    After doing some checking on the abridged purported quote below by the prominent US journalists John Swinton (1829-1901), it does seem that he (more, or less) had actually spoken something along the lines below, italics in original.

    For background, Swinton had been asked at a gathering of journalists in New York City in 1883 to give his response to a toast to ‘the independent press’. Being nauseated by the idea, he tried to back off saying anything, but after being called repeatedly by the other attendees to speak on the subject, Swinton finally gave in, and to cleanse his soul he spoke the truth.

    [In theory, within the broadly controlled and manufactured Capitalism vs Communism dialectic, Communism is supposed to correct the error Swinton describes within the Capitalist press. But, if it’s the very same people who control Capitalism and whom corrupted it, also control the supposed corrective of Communism…What then? What is to stop the whole dialectic from eventually being corrupted, in the same way the present ‘progressive’ US government, quite far along now in the dialectical synthesis of Capitalism and Communism, is now thoroughly and utterly corrupt?]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Swinton_(journalist)

    https://archive.org/details/newrepublicfound00scherich/page/122/mode/2up

    ‘There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion….The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary…We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.

    [MORE]

    The full 1883 John Swinton quote:

    https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Swinton

    ‘There is no such a thing in America as an independent press, unless it is out in country towns. You are all slaves. You know it, and I know it.’

    ‘There is not one of you who dares to express an honest opinion. If you expressed it, you would know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid $150 for keeping honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should allow honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, I would be like Othello before twenty-four hours: my occupation would be gone. The man who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the street hunting for another job.’

    ‘The business of a New York journalist is to distort the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to villify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread, or for what is about the same — his salary. You know this, and I know it; and what foolery to be toasting an “Independent Press”! We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping-jacks. They pull the string and we dance. Our time, our talents, our lives, our possibilities, are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.’

  169. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    Karlin spent too much time in California. Maybe he’ll eventually return there
     
    Hard to envision how. He must surely have lost his green card since then, if he had one. And he must already be on the FBI's radar. Hard to convince them that he's escaping Putin's regime lol.

    I suspect he will have to stay in Russia, hoping that AI and CRISPR fixes things. Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West made me think that Russia could be a good alternative if the political and social situation in the US deteriorated too much. The Altai mountains area, close to China and Mongolia, or perhaps the Caucasus seemed to approach the kind of natural environment that I need. Not anymore, once Putin decided to show the world what kind of country Russia really is.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West

    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard…he criticized “Russophobia” within the West (and often with good reason, even now there’s quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about “orcs” and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn’t volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I’m pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that “of course” Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe – or even more than that – because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn’t matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022…”the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev”, “the mother of Russian cities is coming home”, “the war is about capturing Ukraine’s human capital” etc…really should be repellent to anybody who isn’t invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don’t think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there’s also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    • Agree: Mikel
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Not sure if it's relevant to mention anymore, as Sher Singh pointed out, re: Russia, AK 'gave up' a few months ago.
    I don't care about this AI buzz, and I don't think any serious people do either. A good barometer was a recent interview with Vaclav Smil who said he still wasn't sure whether AI research was a tremendous waste of money, though his tone wasn't very optimistic.

    Is a AI chatbot that gives a convincing simulacrum of human communication going to fix America's crumbling infrastructure, restore its international reputation, secure Taiwan, revive the space program, assist in the now 50+ year unsolved problems of physics, or solve the advanced world's continually worsening obesity/childlessness/incel/immigration/financial/energy/education-decline problems?
    To ask the question is to answer it.

    Karlin fundamentally wishes Russia would become a 2nd America, no more no less. Whatever his protestations, he idolises everything American (stemming entirely from his inherent power-worship) and basically despises authentic Russian culture (has he even read a single Russian fiction author except the Strugatsky Brothers or watched anything aside from 'Brother'?) and Slavs in general (because 'losers').

    Anyway, he's gone off the deepend with current AI fad, making apocalypic predictions just as he did with peak oil (a far more justifiable concern than this) a few years ago, before nothing happened and it was quietly dropped.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader


    pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that “of course” Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe – or even more than that – because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn’t matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022…”the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev”, “the mother of Russian cities is coming home”, “the war is about capturing Ukraine’s human capital” etc
     
    Those all are pretty mainstream points regarding intra-RF discourse, AK wasn't some notable outlier anyhow though, maybe only "human capitalistic" thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @German_reader

    IIRC correctly AK holds British citizenship.

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Kholmogorov is a quite known celebrity in Russia. He is used for television about ten years ago.

    I even saw him a few times on the television, this is many years in the past before 2015. He was collaborator with a more famous celebrity called Anatoly Vasserman, who is really famous in the local media.

    Kholmogorov presents the mainstream Kremlin or Russian imperialist views. Then Vasserman presents the more extreme version of the Russian imperialist views with a neosoviet or Stalinist packaging.

    This is a kind of argument between friends.

    So, Kholmogorov seems like the sensible, while Vasserman seems like notsensible version, of the same government views. Both sides of the argument are within the government narrative.

    You can choose two packaging of the same product, like blue or red can of Pringles. Vasserman packages as a eccentric Soviet grandfather. Kholmogorov as a fake "Russian empire" grandfather.

    It was a bit of genius trolling by Karlin of you. You are a person with elite education from an elite country, when you are responding seriously about Kholmogorov's text. There is a reason where Karlin was impressive and seemed to focus on trolling you.

    It's a professional historian, with elite education in Germany, writing about a local political entertainment from Russia.

    Maybe we can find professional German rocket scientists to write criticisms of the physics in "Masha and the Bear".

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    OT, but reading Livy is having me consider changing my mind about exhaustively going through the main canon. Honestly his first pentad may be some of the most utterly boring historical literature I've ever read (not counting actual annals, but as a prose work this comes close).
    As often commented on, Livy's lack of historical perspective or real world military/political experience becomes painfully obvious early on. Even by classical standards the omnipresent moralism gets sickly, unlike (say) Plutarch's, Livy has about as much subtlety as a sledgehammer, absolutely Diodoros-tier. Not much of a Latinist myself, but I don't see why his style is much praised either.

    Though I suppose these defects are particularly magnified by the near-ahistoric nature of the period of Rome before the Gallic sacking... I think a major reason for the tedium of Livy's first pentad is he's taking essentially annalistic scraps, and just inventing whole scenes from them, transforming what could only have been tawdry miserable skirmishes between rival villages into lengthy and otiose epics.
    That and Livy clearly has either no understanding or interest in strategy or the history of ideas, a real shame Sallust's main works are lost. I can't even call him a historian at this point, he seems to have been just a popular summariser for the plebs, Robin Lane-Fox tier.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  170. @LatW
    @Beckow


    All history was complicated.
     
    There will be reconciliation. It is coming. At least, in the EE, not sure about Russia. They might take longer.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …not sure about Russia.

    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    Well, it's up to them to come around eventually, if they so wish. But it may take time now with the new war. Either way, your worries about "SS memorials" are getting a bit old as we speak.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.
     
    Today is the victory day. Those who won WWII celebrate on May 9th, those who lost grieve on May 8th.

    BTW, Soviet Marshal Zhukov, who contributed a lot to the 1945 victory, said prophetic words back then:
    “We liberated Eastern Europe from Nazis. They will never forgive us for that”.
  171. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...not sure about Russia.
     
    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Well, it’s up to them to come around eventually, if they so wish. But it may take time now with the new war. Either way, your worries about “SS memorials” are getting a bit old as we speak.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    your worries about “SS memorials” are getting a bit old

     

    Are you saying that worrying about the Nazis is old? I suspect a new-day Nazi would say that. Enjoy your SS memorials, a unique custom in 2023...
  172. @LatW
    @Yahya


    Will you be visiting a Waffen-SS memorial to commemorate the WW2 dead?
     
    There is a separate date for that. It already passed this year. And the memorial is not for the SS (not that it would make a difference for the likes of you, I see that you have objections to Europeans honoring their dead).

    Replies: @Yahya, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did the Jews ever sue you guys for reparations?

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    What do you think? Are you afraid of them? Oh, and you don't need to feign compassion. I know how you guys talk about this thing in private.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Poland is a very odd one. Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it's hard to get that quite right. Also it was the USSR for a moment or two before Barbarossa so could there be a double entry? Lithuania ha da high count claim, Per Capita. Again were those Sovuet Union numbers or Lithuania numbers? More potential double entries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

  173. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    https://i.redd.it/ahg5cg0fdl591.png

    Did the Jews ever sue you guys for reparations?

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    What do you think? Are you afraid of them? Oh, and you don’t need to feign compassion. I know how you guys talk about this thing in private.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    It's a very interesting map. The Poland of that Era is not on the same patch of land as the Poland of today. Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania count for half of it and Germany a third of what is there today. Poland is today where much of Eastern Germany was. No marker for Ukraine figures either. A classic omission.

    Mores the pity that HItler didn't bomb Bricklane and Whitechapel a little more thoroughly.

  174. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...not sure about Russia.
     
    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Without Russia there can be no real reconciliation in EE.

    Today is the victory day. Those who won WWII celebrate on May 9th, those who lost grieve on May 8th.

    BTW, Soviet Marshal Zhukov, who contributed a lot to the 1945 victory, said prophetic words back then:
    “We liberated Eastern Europe from Nazis. They will never forgive us for that”.

  175. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    https://i.redd.it/ahg5cg0fdl591.png

    Did the Jews ever sue you guys for reparations?

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    Poland is a very odd one. Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it’s hard to get that quite right. Also it was the USSR for a moment or two before Barbarossa so could there be a double entry? Lithuania ha da high count claim, Per Capita. Again were those Sovuet Union numbers or Lithuania numbers? More potential double entries.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it’s hard to get that quite right.
     
    I big chunk of Poland of that time is now Lithuania (including current Lithuanian capital Vilnius). Basically, Poland grabbed everything it could from the Soviet Russia in the 1920s. The USSR took it back after WWII. After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig (which Poles now call Gdansk), as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    To me the most interesting comp there is France versus Netherlands. It looks like the Dutch really wanted to get to 100%.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  176. @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Poland is a very odd one. Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it's hard to get that quite right. Also it was the USSR for a moment or two before Barbarossa so could there be a double entry? Lithuania ha da high count claim, Per Capita. Again were those Sovuet Union numbers or Lithuania numbers? More potential double entries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it’s hard to get that quite right.

    I big chunk of Poland of that time is now Lithuania (including current Lithuanian capital Vilnius). Basically, Poland grabbed everything it could from the Soviet Russia in the 1920s. The USSR took it back after WWII. After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig (which Poles now call Gdansk), as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    But Russia did keep Konigsberg.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig...as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.
     
    Most important was Silesia. If East Germany kept Silesia, the recent history would be very different: it would tie Germans more to the east and Poland would be weaker. Poland took larger part of East Prussia and Lithuania a smaller part. Russia took the rest.

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there - it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as 'justice' after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

  177. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    What do you think? Are you afraid of them? Oh, and you don't need to feign compassion. I know how you guys talk about this thing in private.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s a very interesting map. The Poland of that Era is not on the same patch of land as the Poland of today. Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania count for half of it and Germany a third of what is there today. Poland is today where much of Eastern Germany was. No marker for Ukraine figures either. A classic omission.

    Mores the pity that HItler didn’t bomb Bricklane and Whitechapel a little more thoroughly.

  178. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it’s hard to get that quite right.
     
    I big chunk of Poland of that time is now Lithuania (including current Lithuanian capital Vilnius). Basically, Poland grabbed everything it could from the Soviet Russia in the 1920s. The USSR took it back after WWII. After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig (which Poles now call Gdansk), as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    But Russia did keep Konigsberg.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    No, East Prussia was split three ways and Poland took the largest chunk in the south. Russia took the middle w Koningsberg city and Lithuania took the northern coast (Memel).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

  179. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it’s hard to get that quite right.
     
    I big chunk of Poland of that time is now Lithuania (including current Lithuanian capital Vilnius). Basically, Poland grabbed everything it could from the Soviet Russia in the 1920s. The USSR took it back after WWII. After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig (which Poles now call Gdansk), as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig…as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.

    Most important was Silesia. If East Germany kept Silesia, the recent history would be very different: it would tie Germans more to the east and Poland would be weaker. Poland took larger part of East Prussia and Lithuania a smaller part. Russia took the rest.

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there – it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as ‘justice’ after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.
     
    Describes blacks in the US to a tee.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Silesia was taken as revenge for Frederick the Great's Polonophobia and warmongering. Since Silesia was Frederick the Great's giant trophy, it was considered unfair to let Germany keep it after WWII.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Gerard1234
    @Beckow


    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there – it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as ‘justice’ after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.
     
    I certainly agree with you in principle - Polish dickheads did not deserve to gain ANY territory from post-WW2. But I think Soviet decisions on post-WW2 borders were logical and mostly reasonable and intelligent decision making ( for the time) . Redrawing borders was not as complex as for kavkaz and central Asia....but it was still very difficult puzzle. What borders Germany is now is directly linked like a chain to the modern-day borders of Moldova via 7 other states.

    I am sure you know this anyway, but to show how complicated:

    Poland lost territory ( that it stole) from Belarus, and lost Galicia to Ukraine, lost territory to Lithuania. Baltic coast regained, given much german land, shared access of Vistula spit (inlands could and should have given USSR to itself)

    UkraineSSR gets Moldovan, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian,Slovak land

    Romania (Nazi partner before changing) loses north Bukovina to Ukraine, gains Transylvania from Hungary (Nazi partner), loses Bessarabia (Moldova)...still has Black Sea access

    Czechoslovakia regains land seized by the Germans

    Germany of course conceded land to Czechs, Russia, Lithuania, Poland

    Lithuanian SSR gets Polish and german territory

    Moldova effectively lost most of Bessarabia after Civil war, the SSR created after 1921 being Pridnestrovie as it is now. It gains all of this back from M-R pact.....but then after reoccupation during GPW, a big part of its historical land ( Izmail region - Islamic name from Ottoman rule) is given to Ukrainian SSR after 1945 - so Moldova is completely cut away from Black Sea coastline then after 1991

    I believe it entirely plausible that the Soviets were forward thinking, and trying to ensure that any future problem would be with Polish retards and whatever future Germany...i.e they were solving the problem of rabid ( but limp-wristed) poles either trying to invade Russia or trying to cause mass trouble inside it for centuries. In addition to saving Poland,......mass evicting them from western Belarus and Ukraine into normal Poland and german Poland should, in theory, have transferred this tension and problem for generations away from Russia
    I can only think, other than Poles being deranged losers, the reason for it not happening like this was because of Polish diaspora in US being entirely anti-Russia/anti-communist type........and German diaspora ( which should have been significant) effectively extinct as a lobbying or political-demographic entity in US for 100 years.

    Even after 1991, you would have to assume that other than Poland v Germany problem , it would have been logical to assume Poland vs Banderatards in Galicia problem.
    Here Poland's weakness became it's "strength" and Russia's strength became it's weakness. Even until 2014 Poland's "soft power" in 404 was non-existant, despite Poland's EU status for 10 years and everyone knowing in Galicia and rest of Ukraine knowing that Poland is objectively a far better place to live and work with better roads/hospitals etc than Banderastan....very small amount of ukrops were working in or visiting Poland ( even from the west regions). Galicia far more integrated at civilian and business level with Russians than they were with Poles, from my experiences. It didn't require any EU Association agreement for there to be millions of ukrops working in Poland....but still they were near non-existant. That's because of course Poles are Poles, the history and the complete lack of cultural/entertainment etc attraction of Poland to Ukrainians.

    I think , their lunatic, US-cuckhold slimeball "elite" focused less on positive ukraine-Poland relations ( even with Euro 2012) ...but on negative Poland vs Russia relations after the millenium as a method of weakening Russia-Banderastan relationship, Russia vs west and via this indirect method.....increasing there relation with 404. I suppose its this indirect method that got them into (deserved ) big disaster in 1939.

    So some decisions on borders were based on justice, others on ethnic majority preference.....and others on certain practical considerations

    Every country should be eternally grateful to USSR for these new borders they received in 1989/1991 because of Stalin/Khrushev decisions. Except Nazi partner Hungary and Germany.....and except Moldova which lost access to Black Sea (almost certainly because of fact that ukrops dominated USSR governance and wanted Izmail region more directly linked to Black Sea/Azov mass industrial base )- not even a Poland-style post-WW1 corridor. It's no coincidence that, though only symbolic for the time, Izmail Oblast was abolished and incorporated into Odessa oblast in 1954 - 300th anniversary and of course when Khrushchev gave Crimea to ukrainiain SSR.
  180. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    But Russia did keep Konigsberg.

    Replies: @Beckow

    No, East Prussia was split three ways and Poland took the largest chunk in the south. Russia took the middle w Koningsberg city and Lithuania took the northern coast (Memel).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    It's a very odd set of countries, no mistake about that. The Borders between them all are a farce.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The part of East Prussia that Poland took was largely Polish-majority, albeit with a strongly German political orientation:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Sprachen_Deutsches_Reich_1900.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite

    I wonder: Had Tsarist Russia survived up to the end of WWI, would it have sought to partition East Prussia together with Poland, with Poland getting the southern half while Tsarist Russia would have gotten the northern half? Of course, in such a scenario, Poland would have very likely been in personal union with Russia.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  181. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    No, East Prussia was split three ways and Poland took the largest chunk in the south. Russia took the middle w Koningsberg city and Lithuania took the northern coast (Memel).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s a very odd set of countries, no mistake about that. The Borders between them all are a farce.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    In 1918 it might maybe have been a better idea to draw the borders between the dominant breed of sheep dogs. Would that have been worse?

  182. @LatW
    @Beckow

    Well, it's up to them to come around eventually, if they so wish. But it may take time now with the new war. Either way, your worries about "SS memorials" are getting a bit old as we speak.

    Replies: @Beckow

    your worries about “SS memorials” are getting a bit old

    Are you saying that worrying about the Nazis is old? I suspect a new-day Nazi would say that. Enjoy your SS memorials, a unique custom in 2023…

  183. LatW says:

    Oh, I’ll enjoy everything that I find to my liking, thank you very much.

    In the meanwhile, for Mykola’s grandfather. Sleep tight, grandpa, glad you don’t have to see what’s going on today. [Deep sigh] Well… at least your grandson and great grandson are real fighters.

  184. @Sher Singh
    @A123

    Blackguard, Vanguard & State secret own the largest stakes in:

    Oil & Gas Distribution
    Truck Engines
    Truck Manufacturers

    &

    Each other!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gku3TVThf-o

    Replies: @QCIC

    I’m sure these creeps are colluding but modern diesel long-haul trucks are pretty efficient. There may be a tradeoff between exhaust emissions and further efficiency improvements in the engines. I assume trucks are optimized for lowest total cost so fuel efficiency isn’t the only factor.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  185. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Beware of the Noviop bringing gifts, either in RusFed or anywhere else.
     
    And where would Ukraine be today without the weaponry and ammo providedby these gift givers?

    An overrun country that would be glued unwillingly to a belligerent and authoritarian RusFed, something that Ukraine has been struggling against for many centuries. Russian empire building has meant a loss of meaningful statehood and ethnicity for the vast number of Ukrainians. There will not be many janisaries, like our Professor, left in Ukraine after the dust settles. The real "giftgivers" have been the Russians, always ready to give, but with a big stick (instead of cookies and milk) hidden in the other hand.

    Putin Says Ukraine Doesn’t Exist. That’s Why He’s Trying to Destroy It.

    Is a turn towards Moscow really realistic today? These are the options Ivashka, either Nuland and her cookies or Putler with his cruise missiles and bombs. Which one would you opt for?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    A jew faking it everytime…

    …it is what everyone wants deep down.

  186. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/reality-is-just-a-game-now

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @S, @Wokechoke

    James Cameron has a lot to account for in a sense.

  187. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    Not sure if it’s relevant to mention anymore, as Sher Singh pointed out, re: Russia, AK ‘gave up’ a few months ago.
    I don’t care about this AI buzz, and I don’t think any serious people do either. A good barometer was a recent interview with Vaclav Smil who said he still wasn’t sure whether AI research was a tremendous waste of money, though his tone wasn’t very optimistic.

    Is a AI chatbot that gives a convincing simulacrum of human communication going to fix America’s crumbling infrastructure, restore its international reputation, secure Taiwan, revive the space program, assist in the now 50+ year unsolved problems of physics, or solve the advanced world’s continually worsening obesity/childlessness/incel/immigration/financial/energy/education-decline problems?
    To ask the question is to answer it.

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    Karlin fundamentally wishes Russia would become a 2nd America, no more no less. Whatever his protestations, he idolises everything American (stemming entirely from his inherent power-worship) and basically despises authentic Russian culture (has he even read a single Russian fiction author except the Strugatsky Brothers or watched anything aside from ‘Brother’?) and Slavs in general (because ‘losers’).

    Anyway, he’s gone off the deepend with current AI fad, making apocalypic predictions just as he did with peak oil (a far more justifiable concern than this) a few years ago, before nothing happened and it was quietly dropped.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    They will totally kick your ass at Chess and Go.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  188. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I finally watched the 1934 version of "Treasure Island" and would overall need to give the film a 3.5/5 star rating. In my book, anything over and including a "3" is a good film worth watching. The film is noteworthy, if for no other reason than it was one of the first of its kind in the very prolific pirate genre. Lots of incredibly fine photographic black/white cameo shots throughout the film. The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process.

    The acting was good and all the players played their parts well, Little Cooper led the tempo of the film at about the right pace. I thought that Wallace Beery did more than an adequate job in playing Long John Silver and his professionalism shone through at every turn. I was expecting more from Nigel Bruce and could see some of the "buffoonish" elements that you allude to shine through that made him such a hit (at least in my book) in his later romps as Dr. Watson in the famous Sherlock Holmes films. I'll be viewing the 1950 version sometime soon too, so you see you've wetted my appetite for this kind of faire!

    A couple of times throughout the film Long John Silver would curse his rivals by refering to them as bein "dogfish". I've never heard this curse before, but if you've ever seen a dogfish up close, you'll understand the serious insult inflicted upon anybody said to look like one. :-)

    I wont include a photo of such an apparition here, as I've noticed that some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish and don't want to upset any more of anybody's fine sensibilities.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish

    Some speculate that aversion to gays (a reaction which I share) is an evolved response for avoiding the gay germ.

    What I’ve heard is that there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way. (I.e. mistaking dominance signals) No male animal actually spurns the female

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    in his later romps as Dr. Watson

    I though Basil Rathbone was a very good Holmes, though, at least one of those films was really awful war propaganda.

    The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process

    I’ve read that widescreen disappeared during the Great Depression and only re-merged in 1953, when they were trying to differentiate from TV.

    Some years ago, I was happy to find a DVD of Prince of Foxes (1949), which was based on probably my all-time favorite adventure novel. The film was absolutely loaded with on-location shots, had thousands of extras, but it still wasn’t in color! (Or widescreen)

    Though my bigger criticism would be what they did to the plot.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way.
     
    Virtually 100% of what MSM publish are lies and blatant lies.

    There is a way to make mice “gay” (more like totally crazy): if you put too many adult mouse males in a cage with limited food and water, within a week or so some will try to have sex with other males. The proof that they just become irreversibly crazy: if you return these males to normal conditions without overcrowding and with food and water ad libitum, they never become normal again.

    Attraction to your own sex is a mental disorder. It is as incurable as other mental disorders (e.g., schizophrenia). That’s why these people should not be punished: it is out of their control. That’s also why this cannot be considered normal.
    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I would guess that the feelings of disgust that normal men have toward gays is just an extension of the natural disgust reflex toward things that are likely to be unhealthy. Anal sex is in the same realm as rotten meat, feces, or vomit.

    It seems like gays have highest distaste among men and less among women, while lesbianism has less yuck factor for either sex. That seems to make sense if it plays a disease aversion reaction.

    Replies: @songbird

  189. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    It's a very odd set of countries, no mistake about that. The Borders between them all are a farce.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    In 1918 it might maybe have been a better idea to draw the borders between the dominant breed of sheep dogs. Would that have been worse?

    • Agree: Wokechoke
  190. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Not sure if it's relevant to mention anymore, as Sher Singh pointed out, re: Russia, AK 'gave up' a few months ago.
    I don't care about this AI buzz, and I don't think any serious people do either. A good barometer was a recent interview with Vaclav Smil who said he still wasn't sure whether AI research was a tremendous waste of money, though his tone wasn't very optimistic.

    Is a AI chatbot that gives a convincing simulacrum of human communication going to fix America's crumbling infrastructure, restore its international reputation, secure Taiwan, revive the space program, assist in the now 50+ year unsolved problems of physics, or solve the advanced world's continually worsening obesity/childlessness/incel/immigration/financial/energy/education-decline problems?
    To ask the question is to answer it.

    Karlin fundamentally wishes Russia would become a 2nd America, no more no less. Whatever his protestations, he idolises everything American (stemming entirely from his inherent power-worship) and basically despises authentic Russian culture (has he even read a single Russian fiction author except the Strugatsky Brothers or watched anything aside from 'Brother'?) and Slavs in general (because 'losers').

    Anyway, he's gone off the deepend with current AI fad, making apocalypic predictions just as he did with peak oil (a far more justifiable concern than this) a few years ago, before nothing happened and it was quietly dropped.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    They will totally kick your ass at Chess and Go.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes, they may even may writing essays (at least C+ tier) a thing of the past for millions of lazy highschool students and put out of a job those doing rote coding/clerical work. Tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars well spent.

  191. @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Poland is a very odd one. Half of the Poland of the time is now Belarus/Ukraine so it's hard to get that quite right. Also it was the USSR for a moment or two before Barbarossa so could there be a double entry? Lithuania ha da high count claim, Per Capita. Again were those Sovuet Union numbers or Lithuania numbers? More potential double entries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    To me the most interesting comp there is France versus Netherlands. It looks like the Dutch really wanted to get to 100%.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    They certainly got under the radar there. Top Marks for doing it and not getting blamed.

  192. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    They will totally kick your ass at Chess and Go.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Yes, they may even may writing essays (at least C+ tier) a thing of the past for millions of lazy highschool students and put out of a job those doing rote coding/clerical work. Tens (if not hundreds) of billions of dollars well spent.

  193. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Know Your memes.

    "Important thing to understand about Noviops is that both government and opposition in Russia consists of Noviops. They are relatives and they are foreign for the majority of Russia's population: ethnic Russians.

    So Russian "democratic opposition" can never win popular vote. For ex Kasparov is armenian jew from Azerbaijan. He can't explain why he even bother to do politics in Russia. He has zero political perspectives in democratic Russia. Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant "Russian" "opposition" figure and be sure it's not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    So political process in Russia is a fuss of small minority ethnic group and does not represent Russian people AT ALL."

    Noviop.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @John Johnson

    Exactly what I was writing all along.

  194. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that “of course” Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe – or even more than that – because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn’t matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022…”the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev”, “the mother of Russian cities is coming home”, “the war is about capturing Ukraine’s human capital” etc

    Those all are pretty mainstream points regarding intra-RF discourse, AK wasn’t some notable outlier anyhow though, maybe only “human capitalistic” thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Those who are called "professional patriotes" in RusFed are usually quite repulsive. I remember what Prosvirnin and Krylov said about these people. They basically called them "human garbage". And usually these people are not nationalists, they come accross more as imperialists.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @LatW
    @sudden death


    maybe only “human capitalistic” thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.
     
    Only insofar as it pertains to the IQ and technical knowledge, did Toly care about the Ukrainian "human capital", whereas the vatnik imperialists have talked a lot about Ukrainians potentially adding numbers wise (e.g., in quantity). Unlike Toly, the vatnik imperialists do not recognize the Ukrainian IQ since their stereotype of a Ukrainian is a retarded "younger brother" who is a "Little Russian". They don't even fully appreciate the Ukrainian beauty, having stereotypes such as "the dark eye browed beauty" (eg., from the South), even though this is just one of the Ukrainian types.

    But, yea, you're right (I mean you and I know this since we've had to listen to this for years), but what people like some of these posters here don't get, is that many of the AK's talking points are not some "extremism" but rather common talking points among vatniks and their propagandists. And even some intellectuals. Apparently, Putin used to read a lot of Ilyin before he went cray. It took them years and an invasion to get this, congrats.

  195. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    IIRC correctly AK holds British citizenship.

  196. @S
    @songbird


    Caught another old pirate flick last night, The Black Swan (1942).
     
    Thanks for the review. The Black Swan seemed okay and who can argue with O'Hara. Tyrone Power, a very good actor, was very shortly going to be in the Marine Corps once the filming for the movie was over. Too bad the 3 to 4 pack a day smoking habit he had did him in at only 44 years of age.


    The protagonist, played by Tyrone Power, seemed remarkably rapey at the start of the film – can’t believe they would make a movie like that now.
     
    Probably not. Likewise, many have been surprised this scene from an episode of the original Star Trek series wasn't left on the cutting room floor.

    'Don't fight me, Janice.'


    https://youtu.be/Lm0LdLgwg18

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.

    The Black Swan seemed okay

    (spoiler)

    [MORE]
    Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. – at least it seemed improbable to me.

    BTW, ‘Blood’ from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin – though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    If they were to do redo it now, Depp's character would probably be played by a Black tranny.


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    Power's pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. :-D

    BTW, ‘Blood’ from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin – though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I suppose it's an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.
     
    That is funny.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.

    There is a dash of that, a slight caricaturization, in the clip below of a 1965 episode of The Avengers. The fictional town is called 'Little Bazeley by the Sea', and the pub is named 'The Inebriated Gremlin'.

    There was a better example of that sort of thing I recall from one of the old episodes but I couldn't find it just now. Oh, well. :-)


    https://youtu.be/W363ExEokpE

    Replies: @songbird, @S

    , @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Depp based the character on Keith Richards, not sure Depp can pull off masculine.

    Well suited to his Fast Show cameo.



    https://youtu.be/LT-b1qXznKI

    Replies: @songbird

  197. @sudden death
    @German_reader


    pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that “of course” Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe – or even more than that – because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn’t matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022…”the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev”, “the mother of Russian cities is coming home”, “the war is about capturing Ukraine’s human capital” etc
     
    Those all are pretty mainstream points regarding intra-RF discourse, AK wasn't some notable outlier anyhow though, maybe only "human capitalistic" thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Those who are called “professional patriotes” in RusFed are usually quite repulsive. I remember what Prosvirnin and Krylov said about these people. They basically called them “human garbage”. And usually these people are not nationalists, they come accross more as imperialists.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Prosvirnin's 2015 map of great "nationalistic" future, where "Russia is for Russians":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/russiamap1x.jpg

    This was great picture, perfectly illustrating what a laughable type of RU landgrabism is the one which is masquerading itself as “RU ethnic nationalism” , e.g. Lithuania has roughly 85% non slavic Lithuanian ethnic majority, 5% Poles and 5% Russians, but they still paint it as a part of “Russia for Russians” and were/are somewhat surprised when people there are requesting more NATO military presence;)

    There are other cultivated types of landgrabism in RF such as eurasianism, retrosovietism or retroimperialism, but at least those are little bit more internally consistent.

    Prosvirnin program on Poland/Romania - required ultimatum about getting them out of EU/NATO and becoming "neutral buffer state like Finland":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/41868/this-is-russia/

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

  198. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    He mentioned he's on vacation (desert hiking).

    Went to the computer shop today with my Acer laptop I bought three months ago...hardware failure, has to be sent in to support for repairs, will take at least two weeks.
    I thought the Taiwanese were supposed to be the good Chinese. But apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash (and it wasn't that cheap either, cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care of them.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    hardware failure,

    What is the part name which has failed? It can usually be easy to fix, although you have warranty if it’s the first year since you bought it.

    Taiwanese were supposed to be the good

    Most of the components of the laptops are made in China. Only very advanced parts like the CPU would be made in Western countries, but these are usually never components which fails in the laptop. When it’s overheating the CPU throttles unless you disable that protection.

    By the way, Acer and Asus are just an assembler and marketer of the components, the majority of components will be from Shenzhen.

    apparently they too have no scruples at all to sell total trash

    Well, people who like modifying electronics, you normally will spend extra money to buy parts with more reputation for quality control, especially it’s common to buy higher quality capacitors from the Japanese companies like Rubycon.

    Although the market flooded with fake versions of the Japanese capacitors which are from China.

    Generally, if there are products made in Taiwan, they should be following quite good quality control nowadays. Taiwan is quite a Western country now and most of the manufacturers should be higher quality control and manufacturing standards.

    But even Taiwan was responsible for the capacitor plague in the beginning of the 2000s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

    , cost more than 1000 Euros). Assholes, President Xi should take care

    If you want to lower prices but increase even more rates of deaths from consumer electronics to continue.

    This is a “creative” and “low regulation” environment which perhaps doesn’t always accurately translate or read textbooks. This is a good attitude for the areas like cooking and poetry, not always supporting the desire to increase consumers’ safety in the electronics industry, where there are probably increasing dangers in recent years as consumers in high regulation countries are buying most things from there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwEh4jsVew0.

  199. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader


    pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that “of course” Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe – or even more than that – because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn’t matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022…”the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev”, “the mother of Russian cities is coming home”, “the war is about capturing Ukraine’s human capital” etc
     
    Those all are pretty mainstream points regarding intra-RF discourse, AK wasn't some notable outlier anyhow though, maybe only "human capitalistic" thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    maybe only “human capitalistic” thing is bit more unusual than the overall trend.

    Only insofar as it pertains to the IQ and technical knowledge, did Toly care about the Ukrainian “human capital”, whereas the vatnik imperialists have talked a lot about Ukrainians potentially adding numbers wise (e.g., in quantity). Unlike Toly, the vatnik imperialists do not recognize the Ukrainian IQ since their stereotype of a Ukrainian is a retarded “younger brother” who is a “Little Russian”. They don’t even fully appreciate the Ukrainian beauty, having stereotypes such as “the dark eye browed beauty” (eg., from the South), even though this is just one of the Ukrainian types.

    But, yea, you’re right (I mean you and I know this since we’ve had to listen to this for years), but what people like some of these posters here don’t get, is that many of the AK’s talking points are not some “extremism” but rather common talking points among vatniks and their propagandists. And even some intellectuals. Apparently, Putin used to read a lot of Ilyin before he went cray. It took them years and an invasion to get this, congrats.

  200. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool


    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.
     
    Thanks. Still not basic enough for my understanding but it does sound like the kind of stuff one puts his mind in after a big real life disappointment. The relevant part for me though is not the meaning of his words but how he chooses them and how he conscious or unconsciously comes across to a normal audience. At the beginning of the war he became moderately famous with people like Hanania interacting with him and even some presence in the MSM iirc.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Well, used to think Karlin has no interest about Russia and talks about it as a kind of imaginary space.

    But maybe he has absorbed a lot of this bohemian Moscow dreamer personality from his family. He might not be so isolated from the local culture.

    Bashibuzuk seems to understand Karlin, while I can’t understand anything about their posts.

    I understand Bashibuzuk when he talks about Russia or religion, but those last few posts seem like somekind of code for me.

    I guess, culturally Bashibuzuk representative of the nonpractical, artistic bohemian “intellectual”, Moscow late Soviet kind of culture.

    I guess in the 1980s, the science fiction was very popular with those kind of poetrical demographic in Moscow.

    In the Western culture, the poets and dreamers, were focusing more about the past. But in the Soviet Union, the poets were interested in technology and science, in a kind of mystical way.

    This is creating a kind of bohemian and poetical dreams about technology, which is of course a bit disconnected from the average engineer, who are usually a bit more like “boring people” let’s say.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  201. @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    Know Your memes.

    "Important thing to understand about Noviops is that both government and opposition in Russia consists of Noviops. They are relatives and they are foreign for the majority of Russia's population: ethnic Russians.

    So Russian "democratic opposition" can never win popular vote. For ex Kasparov is armenian jew from Azerbaijan. He can't explain why he even bother to do politics in Russia. He has zero political perspectives in democratic Russia. Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant "Russian" "opposition" figure and be sure it's not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    So political process in Russia is a fuss of small minority ethnic group and does not represent Russian people AT ALL."

    Noviop.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @John Johnson

    Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    Lyubov Sobol is a significant opposition figure and is Russian
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49205690

    Since Putin has a Jewish grandparent that would make him more Jewish than Sobol and Navalny. Doesn’t sound like he qualifies as a pure Russian according to your own standards.

    In any case it doesn’t really matter since Putin is a little pussy boy in an old man’s body and is afraid of any opposition. That is why he poisons and imprisons them.

    Putin is a coward and the world thinks he is a joke. Look at the comments for his one tank parade:

    Do all the damage control you want but this war is a disaster and his image is permanently ruined.

    In his speech he described a war where Russia is defending civilization and the day before he launched missiles at civilian areas. What a clown. He can’t even maintain a semi-sane image for 24 hours.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks? How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  202. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Those who are called "professional patriotes" in RusFed are usually quite repulsive. I remember what Prosvirnin and Krylov said about these people. They basically called them "human garbage". And usually these people are not nationalists, they come accross more as imperialists.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Prosvirnin’s 2015 map of great “nationalistic” future, where “Russia is for Russians”:

    This was great picture, perfectly illustrating what a laughable type of RU landgrabism is the one which is masquerading itself as “RU ethnic nationalism” , e.g. Lithuania has roughly 85% non slavic Lithuanian ethnic majority, 5% Poles and 5% Russians, but they still paint it as a part of “Russia for Russians” and were/are somewhat surprised when people there are requesting more NATO military presence;)

    There are other cultivated types of landgrabism in RF such as eurasianism, retrosovietism or retroimperialism, but at least those are little bit more internally consistent.

    Prosvirnin program on Poland/Romania – required ultimatum about getting them out of EU/NATO and becoming “neutral buffer state like Finland”:

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/41868/this-is-russia/

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death

    Krylov was a bit better that way.

    I guess Prosvirnin's map means we should move to Western Ukraine. LOL

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Also the most liked comment in Russian below that Prosvirnin proposed map and action program was quite perfect example of intra-RF nationalist discourse at the time:


    I will express a paradoxical thought - in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary to start without fools and idiotic jokes to establish an uninterrupted supply of weapons, cartridges and in general any military ammunition (including "Stingers" and "Iglas") to rightly indignant progressive groups active citizens in Ferguson, like him, and any other cities where the spirit of protest against racial injustice in the United States is strong. In California and other southern states near the Mexican border, too, there is someone to hand the banner of the liberation struggle into strong, tanned hands, for the just return of the stolen states back to Mexico.

    Without such a preliminary move, there will be no success - as long as everything is quiet and calm in the aggressor country, they will not allow anyone to change borders or somehow actively act in their own favor. Of course, you can kill another 30-40 million in a direct and senseless slaughter for Europe, thereby finally weakening both yourself and Europe in front of China and the United States, but it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods.
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Yegor was a level 1488 troll. I loved S&P, it was excellent entertainment. These guys were as good as it gets. You read too much into their antics. You shouldn't project the Baltic resolute and serious attitude on sloppy Slavic mentality. You guys are way too serious. ;-)

    Replies: @sudden death

  203. @OK Boomer
    @Dmitry

    It's like that joke, which goes "if Russia is under attack, how come it is so big?".

    So, if strays rights are not protected in Eastern Europe, how come they are so many?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    A single female dog can have 10 or 30 children a year.

    Their expansion of population is not exactly related to animal protection, actually the opposite.

    In the countries with higher standards for animal protection, they would sterilize the female street dogs and give them an opportunity for domestication, even they could be adopted by residents.

    In many countries, there is also another situation where many animals seem to be immigrating to the cities. Partly this is related to increasing destruction and imbalances of the ecology, the use of chemicals in agriculture, the killing of insect populations, the killing of too many fish in the ocean.

    So, now in the industrialized societies, even many animals who would normally live in the forests, are also becoming a kind of refugees who have to live in humans’ concrete jungles.

  204. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Prosvirnin's 2015 map of great "nationalistic" future, where "Russia is for Russians":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/russiamap1x.jpg

    This was great picture, perfectly illustrating what a laughable type of RU landgrabism is the one which is masquerading itself as “RU ethnic nationalism” , e.g. Lithuania has roughly 85% non slavic Lithuanian ethnic majority, 5% Poles and 5% Russians, but they still paint it as a part of “Russia for Russians” and were/are somewhat surprised when people there are requesting more NATO military presence;)

    There are other cultivated types of landgrabism in RF such as eurasianism, retrosovietism or retroimperialism, but at least those are little bit more internally consistent.

    Prosvirnin program on Poland/Romania - required ultimatum about getting them out of EU/NATO and becoming "neutral buffer state like Finland":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/41868/this-is-russia/

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

    Krylov was a bit better that way.

    I guess Prosvirnin’s map means we should move to Western Ukraine. LOL

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Krylov was into thinking, while Prosvirnin was more into communicating. Krylov was an amazingly intelligent man. Yegor was funny.

    BTW, I strongly recommend fiction books written by Krylov under his Kharitonov pseudonym.

    Yevardian, you're into serious and deep literature, you should read this:

    http://samlib.ru/h/haritonow_m_j/asisaj.shtml

    It will lighten you up a little and you would be even more glad that your parents left Sovok/RusFed behind.

    LatW, if you didn't read yet:

    https://www.rulit.me/books/yuber-alles-roman-beta-versiya-read-223339-1.html

    Try it, I guarantee that you will (most probably) like it.

    Книги детям не игрушки...

    🙃

    Replies: @LatW

  205. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Navalny is Ukrainian with Ukrainian wife from western Ukraine, his team is 90% Tatar Jewish Ukrainian etc. Milov is Bulgarian Jew. Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian. This applies to gvmnt as well.

    Lyubov Sobol is a significant opposition figure and is Russian
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49205690

    Since Putin has a Jewish grandparent that would make him more Jewish than Sobol and Navalny. Doesn't sound like he qualifies as a pure Russian according to your own standards.

    In any case it doesn't really matter since Putin is a little pussy boy in an old man's body and is afraid of any opposition. That is why he poisons and imprisons them.

    Putin is a coward and the world thinks he is a joke. Look at the comments for his one tank parade:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6547PJRKv1w

    Do all the damage control you want but this war is a disaster and his image is permanently ruined.

    In his speech he described a war where Russia is defending civilization and the day before he launched missiles at civilian areas. What a clown. He can't even maintain a semi-sane image for 24 hours.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks? How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Sobol is not that obscure, although she's not some kind of an A lister either.

    Out of the liberal opposition, the Gudkovs are Russian, I think. But, yea, there are way too many Jews.On both sides. But the problem is that the Gentile Russians follow these Jews because they say what they like to hear.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks?

    This was your statement: Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian.

    I pointed out an opposition leader that is ethnic Russian.

    How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Once again you seem mystified by the fact I read outside of Unz and don't run on half-emotion like yourself.

    Here is a good article for you from a Jewish source:

    Why Putin embraces Jews and not gays
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-putin-embraces-russias-jews-but-not-its-gays/

    Does Navalny or Putin have more Jewish ties?

    Nalvany was born in Russia and growing up in Ukraine as a child does not somehow discredit his citizenship. So nice attempt at trying to discredit him but Putin's own rules make him a Russian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny#Early_life_and_career

    Of course one look at Nalvany and you can see why Putin hates him. He is over 6ft and can obtain women without buying them.

    But keep defending the dwarf. You'd think that dragon's teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn't going so well but I guess you and others can't get off your knees.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

  206. A123 says: • Website

    As much as I discourage embedded tweets, this is too important not to share in its original form.

    The RULE of what you CAN’T SAY defines everything
    ____

    How many problems in Europe could be solved quickly if people COULD SAY the truth about the Islamic Great Replacement of Judeo-Christians? (1)

    Social Democrats hesitate to name the perpetrators as migrants despite 12 attacks occurring every day in the German state

    However, neither the SPD nor the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) Interior Minister Herbert Reul were enthusiastic about naming who was behind the vast majority of attacks, with the Alternative for Germany (AfD) instead seizing the opportunity.

    Instead, the SPD deputy Andreas Bialas referred to “socially marginalized persons,” who he said require an increase in the number of police “contact officers.” He did not explain what these contact officers are responsible for doing, but it is known that contract officers in North Rhine Westphalia are in charge of ensuring communication and relations between police stations and local Islamic communities.

    Everyone knows that Islamic ‘traditionalism’ includes stabbing Infidels. When will the press be free TO SAY the truth about traditional, violent Muslim values?

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://rmx.news/crime/knife-madness-germanys-left-claims-socially-marginalized-persons-are-behind-soaring-knife-attacks-in-countrys-biggest-state/

    • Thanks: QCIC
  207. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    To me the most interesting comp there is France versus Netherlands. It looks like the Dutch really wanted to get to 100%.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    They certainly got under the radar there. Top Marks for doing it and not getting blamed.

  208. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks? How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Sobol is not that obscure, although she’s not some kind of an A lister either.

    Out of the liberal opposition, the Gudkovs are Russian, I think. But, yea, there are way too many Jews.On both sides. But the problem is that the Gentile Russians follow these Jews because they say what they like to hear.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Johnson,

    Wish he’d come clean. That kind of arcana is Sportsball fanatic or professional study.

  209. @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Sobol is not that obscure, although she's not some kind of an A lister either.

    Out of the liberal opposition, the Gudkovs are Russian, I think. But, yea, there are way too many Jews.On both sides. But the problem is that the Gentile Russians follow these Jews because they say what they like to hear.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Johnson,

    Wish he’d come clean. That kind of arcana is Sportsball fanatic or professional study.

  210. Coup & General Mutiny in Pakistan

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    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    Don't arrest the Cricket team captain.

  211. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks? How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks?

    This was your statement: Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian.

    I pointed out an opposition leader that is ethnic Russian.

    How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Once again you seem mystified by the fact I read outside of Unz and don’t run on half-emotion like yourself.

    Here is a good article for you from a Jewish source:

    Why Putin embraces Jews and not gays
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-putin-embraces-russias-jews-but-not-its-gays/

    Does Navalny or Putin have more Jewish ties?

    Nalvany was born in Russia and growing up in Ukraine as a child does not somehow discredit his citizenship. So nice attempt at trying to discredit him but Putin’s own rules make him a Russian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny#Early_life_and_career

    Of course one look at Nalvany and you can see why Putin hates him. He is over 6ft and can obtain women without buying them.

    But keep defending the dwarf. You’d think that dragon’s teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn’t going so well but I guess you and others can’t get off your knees.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    The entire text is a quote…

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    {D]ragon’s teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn’t going so well
     
    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) "There are several distinct layers or defensive zones. Zone 1: first 3-4km from the RuFLOT is the forward security zone consisting of individual squad or platoon outposts and individual company strongpoints. Zone 2: first defensive line, 2-3km deep. Company trenches and strongpoints arranged along key terrain features in continuous line. ... Zone 3: 4-5km deep zone with reserve- and possible decoy positions. This zone is also where majority of the local Russian artillery and mechanized reserves will be maneuvering behind the first defense line. Multiple shelter areas for vehicles and equipment observed. Zone 4: Prepared main defensive line. Massive multilayered trench lines with anti-tank ditches and dragons’ teeth obstacles. Extensive minefields are likely. These fortifications form nearly uniformly continuous defensive belt across the front. Built 3-4km deep. Zone 5: Reserve and fallback positions behind the main defensive line (zone 3). Zone 6: Town ... and the surrounding AT-ditch and strongpoints form the last fallback and reserve position on this sector prepared for all-around defense."


    Having a circular anti tank ditch, they are not gong to to flee just because a photo of a Ukrainian flag in a town behind them appears on social media, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5hrx4V6-Q So what if the Ukrainian' counter' offensive succeeds?

    .Prominent media voices such as journalist Anne Applebaum and retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges have consistently advocated for the retaking of Crimea, arguing that such a move would effectively end the war. This may or may not be true, but the risks of nuclear escalation do not today warrant such an aggressive strategy. The Biden administration’s unwillingness to provide Ukraine long-range missiles such as those used in last fall’s counteroffensive seems to confirm this hesitancy.
     

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

  212. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    Kholmogorov is a quite known celebrity in Russia. He is used for television about ten years ago.

    I even saw him a few times on the television, this is many years in the past before 2015. He was collaborator with a more famous celebrity called Anatoly Vasserman, who is really famous in the local media.

    Kholmogorov presents the mainstream Kremlin or Russian imperialist views. Then Vasserman presents the more extreme version of the Russian imperialist views with a neosoviet or Stalinist packaging.

    This is a kind of argument between friends.

    So, Kholmogorov seems like the sensible, while Vasserman seems like notsensible version, of the same government views. Both sides of the argument are within the government narrative.

    You can choose two packaging of the same product, like blue or red can of Pringles. Vasserman packages as a eccentric Soviet grandfather. Kholmogorov as a fake “Russian empire” grandfather.

    It was a bit of genius trolling by Karlin of you. You are a person with elite education from an elite country, when you are responding seriously about Kholmogorov’s text. There is a reason where Karlin was impressive and seemed to focus on trolling you.

    It’s a professional historian, with elite education in Germany, writing about a local political entertainment from Russia.

    Maybe we can find professional German rocket scientists to write criticisms of the physics in “Masha and the Bear”.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    It was a bit of genius trolling by Karlin of you. You are a person with elite education from an elite country, when you are responding seriously about Kholmogorov’s text. There is a reason where Karlin was impressive and seemed to focus on trolling you.
     
    Some of Karlin's ability must have been related to the way Western academics and specialists were writing about contemporary Russia.

    I know I read various books and materials by a seemingly reputable security/defence analysis (like Mark Galeotti) describing the Russian army as sophisticated and powerful, these books were being sold to Western general readers. At the same time, other prominent academics like Timothy Snyder and some of his Yale colleagues were discussing Putinism seriously as being the leading edge of a global nationalistic or identarian revival (Putin and his cyber warfare experts won the US election for Trump, caused Brexit and other things) .

    It's like this helped foster a kind of background plausibility to things Karlin was writing, Karlin also seemed aware of some of the more interesting ideas within the Western Dissident Right and would hint that they were already being closer to reality in the RF. It seems he had a decent sense of how to interest some Western readers at a particular point in time.

  213. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig...as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.
     
    Most important was Silesia. If East Germany kept Silesia, the recent history would be very different: it would tie Germans more to the east and Poland would be weaker. Poland took larger part of East Prussia and Lithuania a smaller part. Russia took the rest.

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there - it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as 'justice' after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    Describes blacks in the US to a tee.

  214. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Prosvirnin's 2015 map of great "nationalistic" future, where "Russia is for Russians":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/russiamap1x.jpg

    This was great picture, perfectly illustrating what a laughable type of RU landgrabism is the one which is masquerading itself as “RU ethnic nationalism” , e.g. Lithuania has roughly 85% non slavic Lithuanian ethnic majority, 5% Poles and 5% Russians, but they still paint it as a part of “Russia for Russians” and were/are somewhat surprised when people there are requesting more NATO military presence;)

    There are other cultivated types of landgrabism in RF such as eurasianism, retrosovietism or retroimperialism, but at least those are little bit more internally consistent.

    Prosvirnin program on Poland/Romania - required ultimatum about getting them out of EU/NATO and becoming "neutral buffer state like Finland":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/41868/this-is-russia/

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

    Also the most liked comment in Russian below that Prosvirnin proposed map and action program was quite perfect example of intra-RF nationalist discourse at the time:

    I will express a paradoxical thought – in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary to start without fools and idiotic jokes to establish an uninterrupted supply of weapons, cartridges and in general any military ammunition (including “Stingers” and “Iglas”) to rightly indignant progressive groups active citizens in Ferguson, like him, and any other cities where the spirit of protest against racial injustice in the United States is strong. In California and other southern states near the Mexican border, too, there is someone to hand the banner of the liberation struggle into strong, tanned hands, for the just return of the stolen states back to Mexico.

    Without such a preliminary move, there will be no success – as long as everything is quiet and calm in the aggressor country, they will not allow anyone to change borders or somehow actively act in their own favor. Of course, you can kill another 30-40 million in a direct and senseless slaughter for Europe, thereby finally weakening both yourself and Europe in front of China and the United States, but it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods
     
    This is both sensible and funny. Yegor was absolutely right and his trolling in this article was top notch. Sad that it is someone as mediocre as Simonyan that is in charge of RT. If it was someone like Yegor, the youth of the World would make every RT newsreel into a collection of memes. Speaking of memes, supposedly, the ambulance that came picking up the body of Yegor after his "suicide" was numbered 1488. That's RusFed-ian humor.

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/84728/dear-putin-loving-etatist-cocksuckers/

    Kek !

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

  215. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish

     

    Some speculate that aversion to gays (a reaction which I share) is an evolved response for avoiding the gay germ.

    What I've heard is that there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way. (I.e. mistaking dominance signals) No male animal actually spurns the female

    in his later romps as Dr. Watson
     
    I though Basil Rathbone was a very good Holmes, though, at least one of those films was really awful war propaganda.

    The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process
     
    I've read that widescreen disappeared during the Great Depression and only re-merged in 1953, when they were trying to differentiate from TV.

    Some years ago, I was happy to find a DVD of Prince of Foxes (1949), which was based on probably my all-time favorite adventure novel. The film was absolutely loaded with on-location shots, had thousands of extras, but it still wasn't in color! (Or widescreen)

    Though my bigger criticism would be what they did to the plot.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way.

    Virtually 100% of what MSM publish are lies and blatant lies.

    There is a way to make mice “gay” (more like totally crazy): if you put too many adult mouse males in a cage with limited food and water, within a week or so some will try to have sex with other males. The proof that they just become irreversibly crazy: if you return these males to normal conditions without overcrowding and with food and water ad libitum, they never become normal again.

    Attraction to your own sex is a mental disorder. It is as incurable as other mental disorders (e.g., schizophrenia). That’s why these people should not be punished: it is out of their control. That’s also why this cannot be considered normal.

    • Thanks: songbird
  216. @A123
    @Dmitry


    Well, there is a situation in the West, when the leftwing is very positively feeling to Islam, which is mostly a conservative ideology
     
    The truth is rather different. Let me Fix That For You.

    In the West, the leftwing has positive feelings for Islam as it is a mostly permissive ideology

    Islam in the West is always SJW liberal. For example, here is an Ilhan Omar pride march & campaign event.

     
    https://www.outfront.org/sites/default/files/styles/slideshow/public/slideshow/IMG_5426_2_640.png
     

    Can you name any senior elected right wing Muslim official in America? I cannot. The correlation between SJW and Islam is unshakeable. It is part of the DNC's core values. To them, this is the future: (1)

    Liliana Bakhtiari becomes first non-binary official elected in Atlanta

    They will become the first queer Muslim elected official in the state of Georgia's history, and the second Iranian-American serving in Atlanta.
     
    If you want to say that there is an "Irrelevantslam", that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.

    However, Judeo-Christians in the Europe & America are impacted by SJW Islam, as it actually exists in this part of the globe. And, that relevant Islam is almost always very leftwing.

    I am sure one could cherry pick a few, highly localized, events where Islamists espoused something that seemed conservative. Nothing on this planet is 100%. However, such hyper selectivity highlighting an outlier would come across as diversion rather than a convincing argument.

    I am sure your favorite people Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib would agree. Should we start calling you Dmitry Tlaib? It has a nice Leftoid ring to it;)

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2021/12/liliana-bakhtiari-becomes-first-non-binary-official-elected-atlanta/

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

    Ilhan Omar pride march

    Well, for Ilhan Omar, this is indication they are consistent with the Democrat Party they are representing, but they are inconsistent with mainstream Islamic cultures.

    This LGBT activism isn’t representative of the mainstream Islamic view, or mainstream view in the country like Somalia.

    Aside from natural individual variation of views, Omar is also probably a person who has assimilated more of the American culture, than Somalia’s Islamic culture. After all, she was living in Somalia as a child, but most of her life is in America and she is an American politician.

    Rashida Tlaib

    She doesn’t have the hijab, so it’s probably a quite secular lifestyle woman from the view of mainstream Muslim culture.

    I think in the West Bank or especially Gaza, most Palestinian women use the hijab. At least in Israel, a significant proportion of the Muslim women are pretty secularized in terms of clothes and just look like secular people.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry



    If you want to say that there is an “Irrelevantslam”, that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.
     
    This LGBT activism isn’t representative ... in [a] country like Somalia
     
    I do not dispute your assertions about “Irrelevantslam” in Somalia. It is a belief system that does not interact with Europe or America, and is therefore not relevant to Jihad as practiced in the West.

    The defining characteristics of Islam in Europe & America are -- Deviancy -&- Crime against Judeo-Christians. I provided more detail about relevant Muslim, knife based, activism (1) above.

    Do you really believe that Muslims are NOT bringing sex crimes and other violent deviancy to the West? The statistics for Islamist crime in Europe clearly puncture your laughably unsupportable assertion.
    ____

    By the way, SJW Muslim sexual deviancy is not limited to Europe & America. Paedophile Islam also preys in India: (2)


    Produced by noted Indian filmmaker Vipul Amrutlal Shah, The Kerala Story depicts the plight of Hindu and Christian girls caught in the clutches of Muslim grooming gangs, many of which have ties to the Islamic State (ISIS). “The movie is based on the genuine accounts of young Hindu and Christian girls from Kerala who were tricked by local terrorists using grooming jihad before being flown to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS terrorist camps,” the new outlet added.

    Even before the completion of the movie, leftist Indian politicians called for it to be banned. India’s socialist Congress Party and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) demanded legal action against the filmmaker for daring to expose the issue. “Some politicians from the state have called for the film to be banned,” the BBC reported last November.


    The film especially showcases certain cases of how ‘love jihad’ was used by ISIS to lure 32,000 women to Syria. The trailer shows how men were brainwashed to woo Hindu and Christian women of Kerala in the name of love, convert them to Islam and convince them to join ISIS and other Islamic war zones. The shocking incidents occurred between 2018-19, when a rising number of Kerala youths had come under the influence of ISIS.
     

     
    Depraved sexual deviancy is core to Muslim ethos and tradition. No matter how much you engage in deflection with "Irrelevantslam". The reality of Jihadist behavior in Infidel lands is undeniable.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-217/#comment-5954256

    (2) https://www.frontpagemag.com/india-muslims-enraged-by-movie-highlighting-plight-of-sexually-groomed-hindu-and-christian-girls/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Worth noting that Ilhan Omar has a likely gay brother whom she apparently married so that he could also obtain US citizenship. Technically, she committed immigration fraud by doing this. Though if one opposes incest bans, then one could disagree with the designation of immigration fraud here as well.

  217. @Gerard1234
    @Dmitry

    From 1950s Soviet Union much, much higher percentage of Russians living in block apartments and cities than Americans. That and of course the much higher car ownership of Americans , traditionally, is what explains the difference in cat vs dog culture as without a garden or a car you are much less likely to own a dog, but perfectly fine to have cat.
    Not of course that you can't own dogs in cities in either country - plenty of space to do so, lots of park area (more than America cities, I think?) to walk the dogs and greenery/trees around apartment blocks etc - but it's less practical compared to a cat.
    Life in Soviet apartment is like living in the Tropics for a cat during winter and parts of other seasons, because of course its so OTT warm inside.

    But Soviet apartment have big advantages - one of them that fat primitive Americans in cities are still using launderettes en masse, as their apartments aren't fitted for connecting washing machines /tumble dryers like all in ex USSR can.

    Washing clothes twice a week, you would have to think this adds about 6 hours to the week for a city American, that Russians don't have to waste on. How filthy are several places in New York - I would be repulsed at the concept of using plenty of my life each week doing this communal laundry where any sh*t from any lowlife could have found its way into the drum, and the laundrette itself is noticeably probably closer to the toilets of a bar during a busy night, for hygiene levels than it is to own house.

    I think there was one incident a few years before of some 70s Soviet dissident New York Jew diaspora bitch "journalist" (the worst type of human possible), probably Yulia Ioffe or Elder writing some idiotic crap propaganda moaning and crying about the lack of laundrette in Moscow when this lazy tramp wanted it as in New York - done as some propaganda BS piece for unsuspecting American readers, trying to fake this as "primitive" maybe even "barbaric" Russian practise, when of course the truth is the exact opposite on this issue , LOL.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I don’t think cats really like living in apartments, even if they enjoy modern heating and high views from the balcony.

    Cats are only semi-domestic animals, if they live in the farm they have a quite large region they manage. They have a natural autonomy and their main hobby is hunting.

    Of course, the cats are a lot more happy to live in cold country peoples’ apartment with regular food, than living as street cats in the Mediterranean countries. It’s still a relatively good lifestyle for Russian apartment cats, nothing near the optimal lifestyle.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    Many cats are very comfortable with their humans and I don't think they mind so much. In some places outdoor domestic cats are extremely vulnerable because they are domestic. Nothing wrong with that if you don't mind adopting a new cat on a regular basis :(

  218. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @A123


    Ilhan Omar pride march
     
    Well, for Ilhan Omar, this is indication they are consistent with the Democrat Party they are representing, but they are inconsistent with mainstream Islamic cultures.

    This LGBT activism isn't representative of the mainstream Islamic view, or mainstream view in the country like Somalia.

    Aside from natural individual variation of views, Omar is also probably a person who has assimilated more of the American culture, than Somalia's Islamic culture. After all, she was living in Somalia as a child, but most of her life is in America and she is an American politician.


    Rashida Tlaib

     

    She doesn't have the hijab, so it's probably a quite secular lifestyle woman from the view of mainstream Muslim culture.

    I think in the West Bank or especially Gaza, most Palestinian women use the hijab. At least in Israel, a significant proportion of the Muslim women are pretty secularized in terms of clothes and just look like secular people.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    If you want to say that there is an “Irrelevantslam”, that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.

    This LGBT activism isn’t representative … in [a] country like Somalia

    I do not dispute your assertions about “Irrelevantslam” in Somalia. It is a belief system that does not interact with Europe or America, and is therefore not relevant to Jihad as practiced in the West.

    The defining characteristics of Islam in Europe & America are — Deviancy -&- Crime against Judeo-Christians. I provided more detail about relevant Muslim, knife based, activism (1) above.

    Do you really believe that Muslims are NOT bringing sex crimes and other violent deviancy to the West? The statistics for Islamist crime in Europe clearly puncture your laughably unsupportable assertion.
    ____

    By the way, SJW Muslim sexual deviancy is not limited to Europe & America. Paedophile Islam also preys in India: (2)

    Produced by noted Indian filmmaker Vipul Amrutlal Shah, The Kerala Story depicts the plight of Hindu and Christian girls caught in the clutches of Muslim grooming gangs, many of which have ties to the Islamic State (ISIS). “The movie is based on the genuine accounts of young Hindu and Christian girls from Kerala who were tricked by local terrorists using grooming jihad before being flown to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS terrorist camps,” the new outlet added.

    Even before the completion of the movie, leftist Indian politicians called for it to be banned. India’s socialist Congress Party and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) demanded legal action against the filmmaker for daring to expose the issue. “Some politicians from the state have called for the film to be banned,” the BBC reported last November.

    The film especially showcases certain cases of how ‘love jihad’ was used by ISIS to lure 32,000 women to Syria. The trailer shows how men were brainwashed to woo Hindu and Christian women of Kerala in the name of love, convert them to Islam and convince them to join ISIS and other Islamic war zones. The shocking incidents occurred between 2018-19, when a rising number of Kerala youths had come under the influence of ISIS.

    Depraved sexual deviancy is core to Muslim ethos and tradition. No matter how much you engage in deflection with “Irrelevantslam”. The reality of Jihadist behavior in Infidel lands is undeniable.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-217/#comment-5954256

    (2) https://www.frontpagemag.com/india-muslims-enraged-by-movie-highlighting-plight-of-sexually-groomed-hindu-and-christian-girls/

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    Depraved sexual deviancy is core to Muslim ethos and tradition. No matter how much you engage in deflection with “Irrelevantslam”. The reality of Jihadist behavior in Infidel lands is undeniable.
     
    Muslims who are into that shit should get child sex dolls combined with their own artificial wombs inside of them. That would be a true ETHICAL future solution for this issue for Muslims!
  219. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    About a half a year ago, I "adopted" a feral cat, that just started living in my backyard. There are a lot of such wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here). Being a smallish tabby, she betrayed her former aristocratic leanings, although I'm quite sure she was tough and could handle herself in most any situation that she found herself in. The male cats in the neighborhood must have thought highly of her too, for she soon became pregnant and now I'm the proud owner of three cats. Well, I'm not bad at arithmetic and figured out that I needed to do something quickly to arrest the growth of the potential cat colony starting to form in my backyard. I had to obtain special cages to catch all three of them, and then transported them to a local veterinary organization that did the necessary spade and neuter procedures. The two kittens ended up being male cats. They're pretty big now, and stay almost exclusively outside, although I do occasionally let them go inside when I feed them. They're very cute cats that like to frolic around and often put on very athletic bouts of wrestling. It helps that I've always been an ailurophile (not a cat fancier) . So far, only one of the three lets me occasionally pet him.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    At least in the 20th century popular culture, usually the American media prefers dogs and the cat is often viewed as a nonamerican. Lovecraft seems to a bit of rebellion to this idea.

    Dogs are often in the media viewed as the patriotic and American animal. Even in our little forum, maybe I saw this attitude sometimes with the middle class Americans like AP, believes the correct white residents, with regularly cut lawn and the dog, is the adequate United States citizen, who can still shoot coyotes and bears.

    There are some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude.

    wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here)

    Don’t you also have cougars there? I know I saw enough videos on YouTube of American hunting fans shooting them.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY
     

    Oops the wrong link, that was including the proletarian cats.
    There is the song of the cats who Thomas Paine was disliking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYe6ffMrOWE.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    I know people 60 years old who have hiked the back country their entire lives and never seen one cougar.

    I have only seen two. You could go out hunting mountain lions 40 hours a week for a 1000 straight weeks and not get one. They are absolutely terrified of humans and will see you before you see them 99.999% of the time.

    Domestic cats are only barely tamed. They can pass the mirror test and when they look in it they see this:

    https://i.imgur.com/e5pIOwD.jpg

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    We do have bobcats here in AZ, although I've never seen one in the wild. The "Aristocats" were a bit high brow and special, given the red carpet treatment by the Disney studios. Also, you had to shell out top buck to see them on the Big Screen somewhere in the downtown fancy theaters. For more plebian kids, the choices came down to "Felix the Cat: and "Top Cat" both of whom played a special role within my affections.

    Felix had a magical bag of tricks that he could rely upon to help him on his escapades, whereas Top Cat, "TC" was a kind of early day hipster who mostly hung out with less than savory other neighborhood stray cats. Well, come to think about it, Disney also had their own cat character "Sylvester", but all I remember him doing was chasing around a small yellow "birdie" and alas, never catching his prey. :-) So you see, cats were also well represented in the world of American make believe too.

    https://youtu.be/amGbBFsiuzc

    https://youtu.be/tBDF-UQWHh0


    https://youtu.be/hyQHoyp2Ulg

    And of course, perhaps the best cat character of all times, the venerable Pink Panther:

    https://youtu.be/o9s3Fir62Mk

    Replies: @songbird

  220. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig...as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.
     
    Most important was Silesia. If East Germany kept Silesia, the recent history would be very different: it would tie Germans more to the east and Poland would be weaker. Poland took larger part of East Prussia and Lithuania a smaller part. Russia took the rest.

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there - it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as 'justice' after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    Silesia was taken as revenge for Frederick the Great’s Polonophobia and warmongering. Since Silesia was Frederick the Great’s giant trophy, it was considered unfair to let Germany keep it after WWII.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ... Silesia was Frederick the Great’s giant trophy
     
    Silesia was what made Prussia eventually dominant within Germany - rich, industrious region. Prussia took it from Habsburgs, not Poland. Previous to that Silesia was a part of the Czech crown lands.

    There was no ethnic, historical or geographic reason for Poland to take it, Churchill was against it till the end. Silesia was given to Poland as a very generous gift by Russia after Russia lost half a million soldiers liberating Poland. Poles were slated by Germans to disappear, to not exist, to be gone. They live because of Russian sacrifices.

    The cosmic ingratitude that the Poles are showing is fatal. The universe is not perfect, but there is harmony, eventually the Poles will pay a high price - all their equivocation, Anglo-love, fake history, hatred, will come back to haunt them. As in the past.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

  221. @A123
    @Dmitry



    If you want to say that there is an “Irrelevantslam”, that does not interact with the West and has different values. OK. You can say that.
     
    This LGBT activism isn’t representative ... in [a] country like Somalia
     
    I do not dispute your assertions about “Irrelevantslam” in Somalia. It is a belief system that does not interact with Europe or America, and is therefore not relevant to Jihad as practiced in the West.

    The defining characteristics of Islam in Europe & America are -- Deviancy -&- Crime against Judeo-Christians. I provided more detail about relevant Muslim, knife based, activism (1) above.

    Do you really believe that Muslims are NOT bringing sex crimes and other violent deviancy to the West? The statistics for Islamist crime in Europe clearly puncture your laughably unsupportable assertion.
    ____

    By the way, SJW Muslim sexual deviancy is not limited to Europe & America. Paedophile Islam also preys in India: (2)


    Produced by noted Indian filmmaker Vipul Amrutlal Shah, The Kerala Story depicts the plight of Hindu and Christian girls caught in the clutches of Muslim grooming gangs, many of which have ties to the Islamic State (ISIS). “The movie is based on the genuine accounts of young Hindu and Christian girls from Kerala who were tricked by local terrorists using grooming jihad before being flown to Syria and Iraq to join ISIS terrorist camps,” the new outlet added.

    Even before the completion of the movie, leftist Indian politicians called for it to be banned. India’s socialist Congress Party and the Communist Party of India (Marxist) demanded legal action against the filmmaker for daring to expose the issue. “Some politicians from the state have called for the film to be banned,” the BBC reported last November.


    The film especially showcases certain cases of how ‘love jihad’ was used by ISIS to lure 32,000 women to Syria. The trailer shows how men were brainwashed to woo Hindu and Christian women of Kerala in the name of love, convert them to Islam and convince them to join ISIS and other Islamic war zones. The shocking incidents occurred between 2018-19, when a rising number of Kerala youths had come under the influence of ISIS.
     

     
    Depraved sexual deviancy is core to Muslim ethos and tradition. No matter how much you engage in deflection with "Irrelevantslam". The reality of Jihadist behavior in Infidel lands is undeniable.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-217/#comment-5954256

    (2) https://www.frontpagemag.com/india-muslims-enraged-by-movie-highlighting-plight-of-sexually-groomed-hindu-and-christian-girls/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Depraved sexual deviancy is core to Muslim ethos and tradition. No matter how much you engage in deflection with “Irrelevantslam”. The reality of Jihadist behavior in Infidel lands is undeniable.

    Muslims who are into that shit should get child sex dolls combined with their own artificial wombs inside of them. That would be a true ETHICAL future solution for this issue for Muslims!

    • Thanks: A123
  222. @Dmitry
    @A123


    Ilhan Omar pride march
     
    Well, for Ilhan Omar, this is indication they are consistent with the Democrat Party they are representing, but they are inconsistent with mainstream Islamic cultures.

    This LGBT activism isn't representative of the mainstream Islamic view, or mainstream view in the country like Somalia.

    Aside from natural individual variation of views, Omar is also probably a person who has assimilated more of the American culture, than Somalia's Islamic culture. After all, she was living in Somalia as a child, but most of her life is in America and she is an American politician.


    Rashida Tlaib

     

    She doesn't have the hijab, so it's probably a quite secular lifestyle woman from the view of mainstream Muslim culture.

    I think in the West Bank or especially Gaza, most Palestinian women use the hijab. At least in Israel, a significant proportion of the Muslim women are pretty secularized in terms of clothes and just look like secular people.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    Worth noting that Ilhan Omar has a likely gay brother whom she apparently married so that he could also obtain US citizenship. Technically, she committed immigration fraud by doing this. Though if one opposes incest bans, then one could disagree with the designation of immigration fraud here as well.

  223. @Sher Singh
    Coup & General Mutiny in Pakistan

    https://twitter.com/Leopard212/status/1656014572170653696
    https://twitter.com/Yogakshema_/status/1655940074574577666

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Don’t arrest the Cricket team captain.

  224. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    At least in the 20th century popular culture, usually the American media prefers dogs and the cat is often viewed as a nonamerican. Lovecraft seems to a bit of rebellion to this idea.

    Dogs are often in the media viewed as the patriotic and American animal. Even in our little forum, maybe I saw this attitude sometimes with the middle class Americans like AP, believes the correct white residents, with regularly cut lawn and the dog, is the adequate United States citizen, who can still shoot coyotes and bears.

    There are some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY


    wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here)
     
    Don't you also have cougars there? I know I saw enough videos on YouTube of American hunting fans shooting them.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY

    Oops the wrong link, that was including the proletarian cats.
    There is the song of the cats who Thomas Paine was disliking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYe6ffMrOWE.

  225. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Prosvirnin's 2015 map of great "nationalistic" future, where "Russia is for Russians":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/russiamap1x.jpg

    This was great picture, perfectly illustrating what a laughable type of RU landgrabism is the one which is masquerading itself as “RU ethnic nationalism” , e.g. Lithuania has roughly 85% non slavic Lithuanian ethnic majority, 5% Poles and 5% Russians, but they still paint it as a part of “Russia for Russians” and were/are somewhat surprised when people there are requesting more NATO military presence;)

    There are other cultivated types of landgrabism in RF such as eurasianism, retrosovietism or retroimperialism, but at least those are little bit more internally consistent.

    Prosvirnin program on Poland/Romania - required ultimatum about getting them out of EU/NATO and becoming "neutral buffer state like Finland":

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/41868/this-is-russia/

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool

    Yegor was a level 1488 troll. I loved S&P, it was excellent entertainment. These guys were as good as it gets. You read too much into their antics. You shouldn’t project the Baltic resolute and serious attitude on sloppy Slavic mentality. You guys are way too serious. 😉

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Putin himself isn't any worse troll either, but does it make more fun for those who have to spill own blood on the grounds somewhere in a field foxhole while believing they're implementing/defending from the same map Prosvirnin was drawing?

    I'd say Putka is better troll than Egor Prosvirnin, cause he managed to declared Kherson being RF forever under the screams about "Goida" done by presenter hard RU nationalist, but dressed in red/black colours of UPA flag and then left the city several weeks after, lol

    https://i.postimg.cc/x9qzvmtC/red-square-ochlobystin.webp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

    Also, during Tzarist rule in 19th century Lithuania it was forbidden to print any press/books in Latin scripture, but now RF has been Latinized to the point of having hybrid Latin/Cyrillic banners at the highest imaginable levels, but under the pretext of returning to imperial glory kek;)

    https://www.merkur.de/bilder/2022/03/18/91420904/28471819-russlands-praesident-putin-0fe.jpg

    The most famous brand of RF military company isn't called "Tchaikovsky PMC" either, so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  226. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    At least in the 20th century popular culture, usually the American media prefers dogs and the cat is often viewed as a nonamerican. Lovecraft seems to a bit of rebellion to this idea.

    Dogs are often in the media viewed as the patriotic and American animal. Even in our little forum, maybe I saw this attitude sometimes with the middle class Americans like AP, believes the correct white residents, with regularly cut lawn and the dog, is the adequate United States citizen, who can still shoot coyotes and bears.

    There are some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY


    wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here)
     
    Don't you also have cougars there? I know I saw enough videos on YouTube of American hunting fans shooting them.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    I know people 60 years old who have hiked the back country their entire lives and never seen one cougar.

    I have only seen two. You could go out hunting mountain lions 40 hours a week for a 1000 straight weeks and not get one. They are absolutely terrified of humans and will see you before you see them 99.999% of the time.

    Domestic cats are only barely tamed. They can pass the mirror test and when they look in it they see this:

  227. @LatW
    @sudden death

    Krylov was a bit better that way.

    I guess Prosvirnin's map means we should move to Western Ukraine. LOL

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Krylov was into thinking, while Prosvirnin was more into communicating. Krylov was an amazingly intelligent man. Yegor was funny.

    BTW, I strongly recommend fiction books written by Krylov under his Kharitonov pseudonym.

    Yevardian, you’re into serious and deep literature, you should read this:

    http://samlib.ru/h/haritonow_m_j/asisaj.shtml

    It will lighten you up a little and you would be even more glad that your parents left Sovok/RusFed behind.

    LatW, if you didn’t read yet:

    https://www.rulit.me/books/yuber-alles-roman-beta-versiya-read-223339-1.html

    Try it, I guarantee that you will (most probably) like it.

    Книги детям не игрушки…

    🙃

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Krylov was an amazingly intelligent man.
     
    I listened to a few of his interviews and there were some really decent parts there. Yes, he is quite deep, a level higher than many others.

    I'll read it when I have time, oh God, just reading something like Юбер аллес cracks me up.

    I hope it's not Germanophobic, probably not. 😀

  228. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Also the most liked comment in Russian below that Prosvirnin proposed map and action program was quite perfect example of intra-RF nationalist discourse at the time:


    I will express a paradoxical thought - in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary to start without fools and idiotic jokes to establish an uninterrupted supply of weapons, cartridges and in general any military ammunition (including "Stingers" and "Iglas") to rightly indignant progressive groups active citizens in Ferguson, like him, and any other cities where the spirit of protest against racial injustice in the United States is strong. In California and other southern states near the Mexican border, too, there is someone to hand the banner of the liberation struggle into strong, tanned hands, for the just return of the stolen states back to Mexico.

    Without such a preliminary move, there will be no success - as long as everything is quiet and calm in the aggressor country, they will not allow anyone to change borders or somehow actively act in their own favor. Of course, you can kill another 30-40 million in a direct and senseless slaughter for Europe, thereby finally weakening both yourself and Europe in front of China and the United States, but it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods.
     

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods

    This is both sensible and funny. Yegor was absolutely right and his trolling in this article was top notch. Sad that it is someone as mediocre as Simonyan that is in charge of RT. If it was someone like Yegor, the youth of the World would make every RT newsreel into a collection of memes. Speaking of memes, supposedly, the ambulance that came picking up the body of Yegor after his “suicide” was numbered 1488. That’s RusFed-ian humor.

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/84728/dear-putin-loving-etatist-cocksuckers/

    Kek !

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    You know which part in that above quote I liked the most (and which cracked me up the most)?

    ".... in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary.. bla bla bla..."

    That is priceless! That is some serious realism and national self-awareness, so true, he admits it, and yet goes on to write an elaborate plan.

    The 1488 number is a total прикол... but the whole thing is жесть.

    Btw, that essay of Yegor's above... that kind of explains a little why what happened happened...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Everyone in the forum knows all this story already, everyone here was talking about the art performance of this kind of imperialist activist in the forum, only you were not interested to post here.

    He suicided ("suicided") in front of the Armenia shop, opposite Russia's first McDonald's, where the fat body that perhaps eats too much McDonald's fast food was removed by the 14/88 ambulance, pushing metal bars on it, few months before Starbucks was transfered to Timati.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-173/#comment-5145839

    Sure, it is a very postsoviet performance art.

    But it's also just a low quality of clown entertainment. It's not a performance art which shows anything positive or interesting.

    All of this is a kind of postmodern clown art is a junk food for the soul, without connection to power or the real politics.


    -

    As you know, in terms of anything in Russia, activists and ideology is irrelevant. They throw a lot of bizarre "clown culture" as the political discussion, so ordinary or adequate people do not interest in politics.

    If there can be small positive thing about 2022, can be reduction of this postmodernist stage of the society

    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns' culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022. In Stalin's time, there was at least less of the clown culture.

    Let's say, the loss of the postsoviet pseudodemocracy 1991-2022 culture, will not be like the loss of Beethoven symphonies and plays of Shakespeare.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

  229. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Krylov was into thinking, while Prosvirnin was more into communicating. Krylov was an amazingly intelligent man. Yegor was funny.

    BTW, I strongly recommend fiction books written by Krylov under his Kharitonov pseudonym.

    Yevardian, you're into serious and deep literature, you should read this:

    http://samlib.ru/h/haritonow_m_j/asisaj.shtml

    It will lighten you up a little and you would be even more glad that your parents left Sovok/RusFed behind.

    LatW, if you didn't read yet:

    https://www.rulit.me/books/yuber-alles-roman-beta-versiya-read-223339-1.html

    Try it, I guarantee that you will (most probably) like it.

    Книги детям не игрушки...

    🙃

    Replies: @LatW

    Krylov was an amazingly intelligent man.

    I listened to a few of his interviews and there were some really decent parts there. Yes, he is quite deep, a level higher than many others.

    I’ll read it when I have time, oh God, just reading something like Юбер аллес cracks me up.

    I hope it’s not Germanophobic, probably not. 😀

  230. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods
     
    This is both sensible and funny. Yegor was absolutely right and his trolling in this article was top notch. Sad that it is someone as mediocre as Simonyan that is in charge of RT. If it was someone like Yegor, the youth of the World would make every RT newsreel into a collection of memes. Speaking of memes, supposedly, the ambulance that came picking up the body of Yegor after his "suicide" was numbered 1488. That's RusFed-ian humor.

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/84728/dear-putin-loving-etatist-cocksuckers/

    Kek !

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    You know which part in that above quote I liked the most (and which cracked me up the most)?

    “…. in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary.. bla bla bla…”

    That is priceless! That is some serious realism and national self-awareness, so true, he admits it, and yet goes on to write an elaborate plan.

    The 1488 number is a total прикол… but the whole thing is жесть.

    Btw, that essay of Yegor’s above… that kind of explains a little why what happened happened…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Well, жизнь вообще жесть.



    That's why we say in Russian: жизнь - золотая наша жестянка...

    Yes Yegor had it coming, but he was aware of it. When he was much younger, IIRC he wrote something along the lines of : "and perhaps one day some chaos demon would swallow me whole (меня сожрёт)". He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he "committed suicide" after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother's side and his wife once being a pageant in the "Jewish star of Moscow" competition.

    They were a truly lovely couple...

    https://ruskline.ru/images/cms/data/portrety/prosvirin.jpg

    (In good Noviop company).

    https://vittar.livejournal.com/570391.html

    (Notice the picture of Prigozhin wearing a yarmulke)

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andreychernuhin/69297246/256117/256117_900.jpg

    (Notice Belov - Potkin wearing a vyshivanka).

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/adonaris/18513111/55672/55672_original.jpg

    (Notice Nosyk wearing a kipa)

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал...

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious...

    As Dmitry Ponomaryov (aka known as the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist conspiracy theorist blogger RedDVL) wrote about Prosvirnin: "других Русских националистов у меня для вас нет..."

    Our friend sudden death took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way...

    Мир праху...

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW

    While assassination in politics is probably more common than we believe in general and I don't know more than you, I would still overall guess he was killing himself, if you look at the interviews with his wife and the scenario she describes.

    Who knows, but I'm not sure the FSB can make the wife invent this story unless you would claim she was also an agent.

    He also seems "strange person", or at least "poetic person" if you see him talking on YouTube, which are the kind of people who have high rates of suicide.

    It's an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very "creative industry", he would be suitable.

    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don't know the name, before the suicide.

    The suicide or assassination was the first event where he was discussed in the Russian media, so it publicized him and spreads his writing a bit. So, assassination has the opposite effect.

    -

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.

    There is suicide in front of the Armenia shop, which represents the reality of postsoviet of multinationalism. https://t.me/ENews112/10615

    There is suicide in front of the first McDonald's, which is like "Giza Pyramids" or "Stonehenge" for the Russian Federation culture of 1991-2022.

    The ambulance which after many hours removes the body, has 1488 written on the numberplate.
    https://t.me/based_departament/3669

    There is like a kind of "full moon", or change of the psychic energy, before the invasion of Ukraine.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or "poetic personality" people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.


    -
    There were strange somethings like the numerological plan to invade for 22/22, that Zhirinovsky said months earlier, which was disrupted by Biden

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1495474850458226689.

    Replies: @LatW

  231. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    it’s still better to set fire to a neighbor’s house, and only then drag home bags with those earlier stolen goods
     
    This is both sensible and funny. Yegor was absolutely right and his trolling in this article was top notch. Sad that it is someone as mediocre as Simonyan that is in charge of RT. If it was someone like Yegor, the youth of the World would make every RT newsreel into a collection of memes. Speaking of memes, supposedly, the ambulance that came picking up the body of Yegor after his "suicide" was numbered 1488. That's RusFed-ian humor.

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/politics/84728/dear-putin-loving-etatist-cocksuckers/

    Kek !

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    Everyone in the forum knows all this story already, everyone here was talking about the art performance of this kind of imperialist activist in the forum, only you were not interested to post here.

    He suicided (“suicided”) in front of the Armenia shop, opposite Russia’s first McDonald’s, where the fat body that perhaps eats too much McDonald’s fast food was removed by the 14/88 ambulance, pushing metal bars on it, few months before Starbucks was transfered to Timati.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-173/#comment-5145839

    Sure, it is a very postsoviet performance art.

    But it’s also just a low quality of clown entertainment. It’s not a performance art which shows anything positive or interesting.

    All of this is a kind of postmodern clown art is a junk food for the soul, without connection to power or the real politics.

    As you know, in terms of anything in Russia, activists and ideology is irrelevant. They throw a lot of bizarre “clown culture” as the political discussion, so ordinary or adequate people do not interest in politics.

    If there can be small positive thing about 2022, can be reduction of this postmodernist stage of the society

    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns’ culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022. In Stalin’s time, there was at least less of the clown culture.

    Let’s say, the loss of the postsoviet pseudodemocracy 1991-2022 culture, will not be like the loss of Beethoven symphonies and plays of Shakespeare.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Wow, Dima, you scare me when you talk that way... I mean, I understand your bitterness and annoyance. But maybe they created the clown show from the opposition just to keep the regime intact? As in, "look at these clowns, you need to have the adult in charge".

    I remember watching some "pre-election debate" once where Zhirik so drove Ksenia Sobchak crazy that she couldn't take it anymore and splashed the water from the cup in his face. This was back when she still took herself seriously and tried to have a "political career". This upset me so much. I think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a "clown show" as you say...


    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns’ culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022.
     
    Dima, 6-20 years in a colony, for non-violent crimes, means broken lives and torment. There is nothing good or desirable about that.

    In Stalin’s time, there was at least less of the clown culture.
     

    You scare me. That is so not like you. I understand... if Codreanu had been in charge, fully, over everyone, life, too, would've been more simple and more beautiful. In some ways...

    But as I told you... under Stalin, they were always fighting under the carpet, they were always eliminating or neutralizing someone. And it's not like they did it to degenerates... but to normal people.

    Anyway, I do appreciate your dark and sarcastic humor...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I agree and concur.

    Although you're being a little snobbish, you need to упростить себя Dima, closer to earth, closer to the roots.

    (Also see my reply to LatW.)

    Yes the loss of RusFed will not be like the loss of Russia, which was lost a very long time ago...

    https://youtu.be/P8SAtQ4e7Dg

    OTOH when walking through Hell, better doing it laughing. If Sabbatean Frankists are right, and if all measure of iniquity must be surpassed before Redemption comes, then Russian people would be among the first in line in front of Heaven's Gates. As the unforgettable Yegor Letov had it in one of the ГрОб songs : "но Иуда будет в раю"...

  232. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    You know which part in that above quote I liked the most (and which cracked me up the most)?

    ".... in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary.. bla bla bla..."

    That is priceless! That is some serious realism and national self-awareness, so true, he admits it, and yet goes on to write an elaborate plan.

    The 1488 number is a total прикол... but the whole thing is жесть.

    Btw, that essay of Yegor's above... that kind of explains a little why what happened happened...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Well, жизнь вообще жесть.

    [MORE]

    That’s why we say in Russian: жизнь – золотая наша жестянка

    Yes Yegor had it coming, but he was aware of it. When he was much younger, IIRC he wrote something along the lines of : “and perhaps one day some chaos demon would swallow me whole (меня сожрёт)”. He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he “committed suicide” after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother’s side and his wife once being a pageant in the “Jewish star of Moscow” competition.

    They were a truly lovely couple…

    (In good Noviop company).

    https://vittar.livejournal.com/570391.html

    (Notice the picture of Prigozhin wearing a yarmulke)

    (Notice Belov – Potkin wearing a vyshivanka).

    (Notice Nosyk wearing a kipa)

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал…

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious…

    As Dmitry Ponomaryov (aka known as the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist conspiracy theorist blogger RedDVL) wrote about Prosvirnin: “других Русских националистов у меня для вас нет…

    Our friend sudden death took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way…

    Мир праху

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he “committed suicide” after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother’s side and his wife once being a pageant in the “Jewish star of Moscow” competition.
     
    Hmm, I had no idea he was Jewish.. but the wife really is Jewish.. that's a strange choice for a Slavic nationalist, but I won't judge. I hope she's ok, what ever one may think of them, it is way harsh and you don't wish that upon any woman. Women in Russia have had to go through so much...

    He did seem to have a slightly agitated mind (or psychological framework) so mixing that with Chaos Magick can definitely be highly emotional or risky and lead to жесть. But of course also interesting insights, I'm sure.

    But who the heck had him killed? Was it really someone in the government "structures" so to speak?

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал…
     
    Holy moly, is that for real? This is weird re: Jewishness... that's a lot.. strange..

    Apparently, the dude who led the Russian Imperial Party was also Jewish.

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious…

     

    Seriously? That is insane. And hilarious ofc... maybe he was wearing a kipa to troll?

    took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way…
     
    Indeed. What an innocent and light hearted way to put it.. The only issue with this kind of a biography is that, even if it is trolling, this kind of pro-imperial talk eventually does lead to what we have now... the death of innocents if taken seriously.

    Btw, it was Max's birthday yesterday...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the "Jewish star" contest together with Prosvirnin's wife? Hmm. Did they just happen to be there together... makes one wonder.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  233. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Everyone in the forum knows all this story already, everyone here was talking about the art performance of this kind of imperialist activist in the forum, only you were not interested to post here.

    He suicided ("suicided") in front of the Armenia shop, opposite Russia's first McDonald's, where the fat body that perhaps eats too much McDonald's fast food was removed by the 14/88 ambulance, pushing metal bars on it, few months before Starbucks was transfered to Timati.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-173/#comment-5145839

    Sure, it is a very postsoviet performance art.

    But it's also just a low quality of clown entertainment. It's not a performance art which shows anything positive or interesting.

    All of this is a kind of postmodern clown art is a junk food for the soul, without connection to power or the real politics.


    -

    As you know, in terms of anything in Russia, activists and ideology is irrelevant. They throw a lot of bizarre "clown culture" as the political discussion, so ordinary or adequate people do not interest in politics.

    If there can be small positive thing about 2022, can be reduction of this postmodernist stage of the society

    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns' culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022. In Stalin's time, there was at least less of the clown culture.

    Let's say, the loss of the postsoviet pseudodemocracy 1991-2022 culture, will not be like the loss of Beethoven symphonies and plays of Shakespeare.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    Wow, Dima, you scare me when you talk that way… I mean, I understand your bitterness and annoyance. But maybe they created the clown show from the opposition just to keep the regime intact? As in, “look at these clowns, you need to have the adult in charge”.

    I remember watching some “pre-election debate” once where Zhirik so drove Ksenia Sobchak crazy that she couldn’t take it anymore and splashed the water from the cup in his face. This was back when she still took herself seriously and tried to have a “political career”. This upset me so much. I think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a “clown show” as you say…

    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns’ culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022.

    Dima, 6-20 years in a colony, for non-violent crimes, means broken lives and torment. There is nothing good or desirable about that.

    In Stalin’s time, there was at least less of the clown culture.

    You scare me. That is so not like you. I understand… if Codreanu had been in charge, fully, over everyone, life, too, would’ve been more simple and more beautiful. In some ways…

    But as I told you… under Stalin, they were always fighting under the carpet, they were always eliminating or neutralizing someone. And it’s not like they did it to degenerates… but to normal people.

    Anyway, I do appreciate your dark and sarcastic humor…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Dima be like:

    https://cm.author.today/content/2022/01/19/c883353ee0ef4fb19c6f45d126c861d1.jpg

    😆

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW

    There is a difference between the life in a large country and the political culture.

    Life in the country with model of "pseudodemocracy" politics, is probably usually better than in most of the autocracy societies.

    But pseudodemocracy was an experiment of those years 1991-2022 and how was the result for the general culture?

    If you know these toys.
    https://i.imgur.com/3xrxGLJ.jpg

    In pseudodemocracy, the children sit in the toy car or toy boat. The toy car make some kinds of noises and movement, so the child believes they are controlling it.

    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don't really believe this. It's a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing. So, the managers of the toys are always adding more loud noises, more exciting movements to the game.

    In autocracy, they just put the children in a quiet room and lock the door. It's the same result, so the children don't move.

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?

    In both situations, children don't move. In some ways, you can prefer the calm quiet television in Soviet times. There was still negative effects for the culture. But it was different than the noise and distraction that is required for managing children in the pseudodemocracy.

    I think there are already some of the difference with Belarus. Lukashenko is not from the KGB training. He doesn't flood the culture so much with decoys and distraction.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games. It's possible after 2022, in Russia it is already becoming more like Belarus. For many people, this change feels positively.


    think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a “clown show”

     

    I don't think it is following a script.

    They are just were autonomous people who have a kind of general direction of their profession, until Zhirinovsky seems unprofessional in December 2021 and he doesn't wake again.

    By the way, without jokes, she is doing quite good journalism, but it is not always unmatching with the authorities.

    https://dailystorm.ru/kultura/shiigumen-sergiy-otkrestilsya-ot-svoey-svyazi-s-sobchak

    https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/5185c69f

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/13/sobchak/

    https://www.starhit.ru/life/opalnyiy-otets-sergiy-soratniki-kotorogo-napali-na-kseniyu-sobchak-syadet-na-3-5-goda-259858/

    Replies: @LatW

  234. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Everyone in the forum knows all this story already, everyone here was talking about the art performance of this kind of imperialist activist in the forum, only you were not interested to post here.

    He suicided ("suicided") in front of the Armenia shop, opposite Russia's first McDonald's, where the fat body that perhaps eats too much McDonald's fast food was removed by the 14/88 ambulance, pushing metal bars on it, few months before Starbucks was transfered to Timati.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-173/#comment-5145839

    Sure, it is a very postsoviet performance art.

    But it's also just a low quality of clown entertainment. It's not a performance art which shows anything positive or interesting.

    All of this is a kind of postmodern clown art is a junk food for the soul, without connection to power or the real politics.


    -

    As you know, in terms of anything in Russia, activists and ideology is irrelevant. They throw a lot of bizarre "clown culture" as the political discussion, so ordinary or adequate people do not interest in politics.

    If there can be small positive thing about 2022, can be reduction of this postmodernist stage of the society

    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns' culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022. In Stalin's time, there was at least less of the clown culture.

    Let's say, the loss of the postsoviet pseudodemocracy 1991-2022 culture, will not be like the loss of Beethoven symphonies and plays of Shakespeare.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    I agree and concur.

    Although you’re being a little snobbish, you need to упростить себя Dima, closer to earth, closer to the roots.

    (Also see my reply to LatW.)

    Yes the loss of RusFed will not be like the loss of Russia, which was lost a very long time ago…

    OTOH when walking through Hell, better doing it laughing. If Sabbatean Frankists are right, and if all measure of iniquity must be surpassed before Redemption comes, then Russian people would be among the first in line in front of Heaven’s Gates. As the unforgettable Yegor Letov had it in one of the ГрОб songs : “но Иуда будет в раю“…

  235. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    You know which part in that above quote I liked the most (and which cracked me up the most)?

    ".... in order for all this splendor to play as it should, and not as always, it is necessary.. bla bla bla..."

    That is priceless! That is some serious realism and national self-awareness, so true, he admits it, and yet goes on to write an elaborate plan.

    The 1488 number is a total прикол... but the whole thing is жесть.

    Btw, that essay of Yegor's above... that kind of explains a little why what happened happened...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    While assassination in politics is probably more common than we believe in general and I don’t know more than you, I would still overall guess he was killing himself, if you look at the interviews with his wife and the scenario she describes.

    Who knows, but I’m not sure the FSB can make the wife invent this story unless you would claim she was also an agent.

    He also seems “strange person”, or at least “poetic person” if you see him talking on YouTube, which are the kind of people who have high rates of suicide.

    It’s an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very “creative industry”, he would be suitable.

    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don’t know the name, before the suicide.

    The suicide or assassination was the first event where he was discussed in the Russian media, so it publicized him and spreads his writing a bit. So, assassination has the opposite effect.

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.

    There is suicide in front of the Armenia shop, which represents the reality of postsoviet of multinationalism. https://t.me/ENews112/10615

    There is suicide in front of the first McDonald’s, which is like “Giza Pyramids” or “Stonehenge” for the Russian Federation culture of 1991-2022.

    The ambulance which after many hours removes the body, has 1488 written on the numberplate.
    https://t.me/based_departament/3669

    There is like a kind of “full moon”, or change of the psychic energy, before the invasion of Ukraine.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or “poetic personality” people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.


    There were strange somethings like the numerological plan to invade for 22/22, that Zhirinovsky said months earlier, which was disrupted by Biden

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1495474850458226689.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It’s an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very “creative industry”, he would be suitable.
     
    Well, it was visible he had anxiety. And him being so glib and intelligent also indicates a more sensitive personality. So that part you got right, I suppose... there could've also been drugs involved... maybe amphetamines.. but still... a bit suspicious. I'm not familiar with the wife's story, they argued but that's not the reason to jump out of the window.

    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don’t know the name, before the suicide.
     
    Oh, he was known. The ratings were high and readership got somewhat significant.

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.
     
    It does indeed... life imitating art a little maybe? And the timing...

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.
     
    It is a kind of neo-imperialism.. you're right, it is a bit like a spectacle in both cases... is it the crazy demon that ate him? And could eat us too?

    Something has definitely ended... the post-soviet era.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or “poetic personality” people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.
     
    Right, there is apparently slight agitation during full moon (people on internet forums usually write crazier comments than usual), although the Moon can also be calming to look at.

    I think he was worried, there was a lot of tension. I think deep inside he knew that it is wrong to have such enmity with Ukraine, but there was not much one can do from a Russian nationalist perspective. The level of agitation was very high, in the media as well, plus it was post Covid. Also, didn't they shut down his page? It could've been hurtful to have his project shut down...

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.
     
    Well, a lot is controlled by FSB, but it seems that Zhirinovsky was ideologically that way. Yes, it is a little strange, because he spent decades trashing Ukraine et al, he mapped out the potential partitions a long time ago, but then he died right as the war began.

    This is all so wild...

    Replies: @Dmitry

  236. @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Wow, Dima, you scare me when you talk that way... I mean, I understand your bitterness and annoyance. But maybe they created the clown show from the opposition just to keep the regime intact? As in, "look at these clowns, you need to have the adult in charge".

    I remember watching some "pre-election debate" once where Zhirik so drove Ksenia Sobchak crazy that she couldn't take it anymore and splashed the water from the cup in his face. This was back when she still took herself seriously and tried to have a "political career". This upset me so much. I think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a "clown show" as you say...


    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns’ culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022.
     
    Dima, 6-20 years in a colony, for non-violent crimes, means broken lives and torment. There is nothing good or desirable about that.

    In Stalin’s time, there was at least less of the clown culture.
     

    You scare me. That is so not like you. I understand... if Codreanu had been in charge, fully, over everyone, life, too, would've been more simple and more beautiful. In some ways...

    But as I told you... under Stalin, they were always fighting under the carpet, they were always eliminating or neutralizing someone. And it's not like they did it to degenerates... but to normal people.

    Anyway, I do appreciate your dark and sarcastic humor...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Dima be like:

    😆

    • LOL: LatW
  237. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Well, жизнь вообще жесть.



    That's why we say in Russian: жизнь - золотая наша жестянка...

    Yes Yegor had it coming, but he was aware of it. When he was much younger, IIRC he wrote something along the lines of : "and perhaps one day some chaos demon would swallow me whole (меня сожрёт)". He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he "committed suicide" after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother's side and his wife once being a pageant in the "Jewish star of Moscow" competition.

    They were a truly lovely couple...

    https://ruskline.ru/images/cms/data/portrety/prosvirin.jpg

    (In good Noviop company).

    https://vittar.livejournal.com/570391.html

    (Notice the picture of Prigozhin wearing a yarmulke)

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andreychernuhin/69297246/256117/256117_900.jpg

    (Notice Belov - Potkin wearing a vyshivanka).

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/adonaris/18513111/55672/55672_original.jpg

    (Notice Nosyk wearing a kipa)

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал...

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious...

    As Dmitry Ponomaryov (aka known as the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist conspiracy theorist blogger RedDVL) wrote about Prosvirnin: "других Русских националистов у меня для вас нет..."

    Our friend sudden death took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way...

    Мир праху...

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    [MORE]

    He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he “committed suicide” after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother’s side and his wife once being a pageant in the “Jewish star of Moscow” competition.

    Hmm, I had no idea he was Jewish.. but the wife really is Jewish.. that’s a strange choice for a Slavic nationalist, but I won’t judge. I hope she’s ok, what ever one may think of them, it is way harsh and you don’t wish that upon any woman. Women in Russia have had to go through so much…

    He did seem to have a slightly agitated mind (or psychological framework) so mixing that with Chaos Magick can definitely be highly emotional or risky and lead to жесть. But of course also interesting insights, I’m sure.

    But who the heck had him killed? Was it really someone in the government “structures” so to speak?

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал…

    Holy moly, is that for real? This is weird re: Jewishness… that’s a lot.. strange..

    Apparently, the dude who led the Russian Imperial Party was also Jewish.

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious…

    Seriously? That is insane. And hilarious ofc… maybe he was wearing a kipa to troll?

    took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way…

    Indeed. What an innocent and light hearted way to put it.. The only issue with this kind of a biography is that, even if it is trolling, this kind of pro-imperial talk eventually does lead to what we have now… the death of innocents if taken seriously.

    Btw, it was Max’s birthday yesterday…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Btw, it was Max’s birthday yesterday

    Yep, another talented young man with an original sense of humor...

    Мы рождены чтобы сказку сделать пылью...

    When I was young I really liked the following song:

    https://youtu.be/ehxWMCUQW0k

    It felt ominous...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW

  238. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks?

    This was your statement: Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian.

    I pointed out an opposition leader that is ethnic Russian.

    How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Once again you seem mystified by the fact I read outside of Unz and don't run on half-emotion like yourself.

    Here is a good article for you from a Jewish source:

    Why Putin embraces Jews and not gays
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-putin-embraces-russias-jews-but-not-its-gays/

    Does Navalny or Putin have more Jewish ties?

    Nalvany was born in Russia and growing up in Ukraine as a child does not somehow discredit his citizenship. So nice attempt at trying to discredit him but Putin's own rules make him a Russian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny#Early_life_and_career

    Of course one look at Nalvany and you can see why Putin hates him. He is over 6ft and can obtain women without buying them.

    But keep defending the dwarf. You'd think that dragon's teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn't going so well but I guess you and others can't get off your knees.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

    The entire text is a quote…

  239. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he “committed suicide” after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother’s side and his wife once being a pageant in the “Jewish star of Moscow” competition.
     
    Hmm, I had no idea he was Jewish.. but the wife really is Jewish.. that's a strange choice for a Slavic nationalist, but I won't judge. I hope she's ok, what ever one may think of them, it is way harsh and you don't wish that upon any woman. Women in Russia have had to go through so much...

    He did seem to have a slightly agitated mind (or psychological framework) so mixing that with Chaos Magick can definitely be highly emotional or risky and lead to жесть. But of course also interesting insights, I'm sure.

    But who the heck had him killed? Was it really someone in the government "structures" so to speak?

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал…
     
    Holy moly, is that for real? This is weird re: Jewishness... that's a lot.. strange..

    Apparently, the dude who led the Russian Imperial Party was also Jewish.

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious…

     

    Seriously? That is insane. And hilarious ofc... maybe he was wearing a kipa to troll?

    took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way…
     
    Indeed. What an innocent and light hearted way to put it.. The only issue with this kind of a biography is that, even if it is trolling, this kind of pro-imperial talk eventually does lead to what we have now... the death of innocents if taken seriously.

    Btw, it was Max's birthday yesterday...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Btw, it was Max’s birthday yesterday

    Yep, another talented young man with an original sense of humor…

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    When I was young I really liked the following song:

    It felt ominous…

    🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    Cool lyrics...


    Yep, another talented young man with an original sense of humor…
     
    Indeed. LOL And a backbone.

    I mean... whatever can be said about his ambiguous path but very straightforward persona, in his case it does feel like something was taken away... and the circumstances of his death... he went through hell. It was done with such viciousness and hatred as if they really wanted to get rid of something big... poor Max.

  240. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW

    While assassination in politics is probably more common than we believe in general and I don't know more than you, I would still overall guess he was killing himself, if you look at the interviews with his wife and the scenario she describes.

    Who knows, but I'm not sure the FSB can make the wife invent this story unless you would claim she was also an agent.

    He also seems "strange person", or at least "poetic person" if you see him talking on YouTube, which are the kind of people who have high rates of suicide.

    It's an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very "creative industry", he would be suitable.

    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don't know the name, before the suicide.

    The suicide or assassination was the first event where he was discussed in the Russian media, so it publicized him and spreads his writing a bit. So, assassination has the opposite effect.

    -

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.

    There is suicide in front of the Armenia shop, which represents the reality of postsoviet of multinationalism. https://t.me/ENews112/10615

    There is suicide in front of the first McDonald's, which is like "Giza Pyramids" or "Stonehenge" for the Russian Federation culture of 1991-2022.

    The ambulance which after many hours removes the body, has 1488 written on the numberplate.
    https://t.me/based_departament/3669

    There is like a kind of "full moon", or change of the psychic energy, before the invasion of Ukraine.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or "poetic personality" people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.


    -
    There were strange somethings like the numerological plan to invade for 22/22, that Zhirinovsky said months earlier, which was disrupted by Biden

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1495474850458226689.

    Replies: @LatW

    It’s an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very “creative industry”, he would be suitable.

    Well, it was visible he had anxiety. And him being so glib and intelligent also indicates a more sensitive personality. So that part you got right, I suppose… there could’ve also been drugs involved… maybe amphetamines.. but still… a bit suspicious. I’m not familiar with the wife’s story, they argued but that’s not the reason to jump out of the window.

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    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don’t know the name, before the suicide.

    Oh, he was known. The ratings were high and readership got somewhat significant.

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.

    It does indeed… life imitating art a little maybe? And the timing…

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.

    It is a kind of neo-imperialism.. you’re right, it is a bit like a spectacle in both cases… is it the crazy demon that ate him? And could eat us too?

    Something has definitely ended… the post-soviet era.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or “poetic personality” people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.

    Right, there is apparently slight agitation during full moon (people on internet forums usually write crazier comments than usual), although the Moon can also be calming to look at.

    I think he was worried, there was a lot of tension. I think deep inside he knew that it is wrong to have such enmity with Ukraine, but there was not much one can do from a Russian nationalist perspective. The level of agitation was very high, in the media as well, plus it was post Covid. Also, didn’t they shut down his page? It could’ve been hurtful to have his project shut down…

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.

    Well, a lot is controlled by FSB, but it seems that Zhirinovsky was ideologically that way. Yes, it is a little strange, because he spent decades trashing Ukraine et al, he mapped out the potential partitions a long time ago, but then he died right as the war began.

    This is all so wild…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    irinovsky was ideologically that way.
     
    Well, I know even less than you so it's just intuition of someone who finds all this topic depressing and therefore looks at it for a few minutes time maximum before depression, and then guesses.

    But I wouldn't guess they are "ideologically that way".

    Maybe he was just worker for the KGB after 1970s or sometime already in Brezhnev time, does the different job with them in the USSR, without personal views, continues the same in the postsoviet epoch.

    It doesn't mean he actually believes these things. It's just his job.

    You know in the 1990s, he was famous for promoting antisemitism for some political agenda, maybe nobody understands which was not powerful people. Parts of the government in the 1980s and 1990s was promoting antisemitism and Zhirinovsky was the mainstream representative of this fashion.

    In the 1980s he was working quite other job though, which could be funny for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHu8pfOB4o.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  241. @LatW
    @Dmitry

    Wow, Dima, you scare me when you talk that way... I mean, I understand your bitterness and annoyance. But maybe they created the clown show from the opposition just to keep the regime intact? As in, "look at these clowns, you need to have the adult in charge".

    I remember watching some "pre-election debate" once where Zhirik so drove Ksenia Sobchak crazy that she couldn't take it anymore and splashed the water from the cup in his face. This was back when she still took herself seriously and tried to have a "political career". This upset me so much. I think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a "clown show" as you say...


    The culture of the real autocracy might be a bit more serious in someway than the clowns’ culture of the pseudodemocracy of 1991-2022.
     
    Dima, 6-20 years in a colony, for non-violent crimes, means broken lives and torment. There is nothing good or desirable about that.

    In Stalin’s time, there was at least less of the clown culture.
     

    You scare me. That is so not like you. I understand... if Codreanu had been in charge, fully, over everyone, life, too, would've been more simple and more beautiful. In some ways...

    But as I told you... under Stalin, they were always fighting under the carpet, they were always eliminating or neutralizing someone. And it's not like they did it to degenerates... but to normal people.

    Anyway, I do appreciate your dark and sarcastic humor...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    There is a difference between the life in a large country and the political culture.

    Life in the country with model of “pseudodemocracy” politics, is probably usually better than in most of the autocracy societies.

    But pseudodemocracy was an experiment of those years 1991-2022 and how was the result for the general culture?

    If you know these toys.

    In pseudodemocracy, the children sit in the toy car or toy boat. The toy car make some kinds of noises and movement, so the child believes they are controlling it.

    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don’t really believe this. It’s a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing. So, the managers of the toys are always adding more loud noises, more exciting movements to the game.

    In autocracy, they just put the children in a quiet room and lock the door. It’s the same result, so the children don’t move.

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?

    In both situations, children don’t move. In some ways, you can prefer the calm quiet television in Soviet times. There was still negative effects for the culture. But it was different than the noise and distraction that is required for managing children in the pseudodemocracy.

    I think there are already some of the difference with Belarus. Lukashenko is not from the KGB training. He doesn’t flood the culture so much with decoys and distraction.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games. It’s possible after 2022, in Russia it is already becoming more like Belarus. For many people, this change feels positively.

    think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a “clown show”

    I don’t think it is following a script.

    They are just were autonomous people who have a kind of general direction of their profession, until Zhirinovsky seems unprofessional in December 2021 and he doesn’t wake again.

    By the way, without jokes, she is doing quite good journalism, but it is not always unmatching with the authorities.

    https://dailystorm.ru/kultura/shiigumen-sergiy-otkrestilsya-ot-svoey-svyazi-s-sobchak

    https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/5185c69f

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/13/sobchak/

    https://www.starhit.ru/life/opalnyiy-otets-sergiy-soratniki-kotorogo-napali-na-kseniyu-sobchak-syadet-na-3-5-goda-259858/

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don’t really believe this. It’s a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.
     
    This is an interesting analogy. It's a situation where one is safe yet gets to have some excitement or experience of some "action". Many probably know they don't have a real democracy, but are pretending that exists. Some media moderators are that way since it's their job.

    But it's not always easy to live in a pluralistic society and multi party politics, as well as political competition, can create tension. It would be awesome to have a real ethnonationalist party (it wouldn't be that large but would still be awesome), but I can imagine how it would be attacked by other parties. Let's admit it, it would be a mess. But eventually everyone would get used to it and just accept it.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing.
     
    Are you trying to say that it stopped just now or in 2022? Do you mean that the pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there's much left there...

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?
     
    Best is to sit together in a room and talk for a long time (ok, maybe not necessarily in a circle, lol, but you know what I mean), where nobody is treated like a child.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games.
     
    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian. But Belarus is totalitarian, there are many Belarusians who are in Ukraine now, who want freedom (including nationalists).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

  242. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Btw, it was Max’s birthday yesterday

    Yep, another talented young man with an original sense of humor...

    Мы рождены чтобы сказку сделать пылью...

    When I was young I really liked the following song:

    https://youtu.be/ehxWMCUQW0k

    It felt ominous...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW

    Cool lyrics…

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    Yep, another talented young man with an original sense of humor…

    Indeed. LOL And a backbone.

    I mean… whatever can be said about his ambiguous path but very straightforward persona, in his case it does feel like something was taken away… and the circumstances of his death… he went through hell. It was done with such viciousness and hatred as if they really wanted to get rid of something big… poor Max.

  243. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It’s an unusual person, not a normal person e.g. you have them to a job interview or who would be part of the normal society. If it was a very “creative industry”, he would be suitable.
     
    Well, it was visible he had anxiety. And him being so glib and intelligent also indicates a more sensitive personality. So that part you got right, I suppose... there could've also been drugs involved... maybe amphetamines.. but still... a bit suspicious. I'm not familiar with the wife's story, they argued but that's not the reason to jump out of the window.

    Also assassinate, someone who is not known, but becomes famous because of the suicide? 99,99% of Russians don’t know the name, before the suicide.
     
    Oh, he was known. The ratings were high and readership got somewhat significant.

    But within the media space, it looks like a kind of premonition and performance art of early 2022.
     
    It does indeed... life imitating art a little maybe? And the timing...

    As performance art, it is autodestruction of the postsoviet imperialism, just before the government autodestructs postsoviet imperialism by invading Ukraine.
     
    It is a kind of neo-imperialism.. you're right, it is a bit like a spectacle in both cases... is it the crazy demon that ate him? And could eat us too?

    Something has definitely ended... the post-soviet era.

    When there is a full moon, psychologically sensitive or “poetic personality” people have perhaps premonitions, although there were also some assassinations.
     
    Right, there is apparently slight agitation during full moon (people on internet forums usually write crazier comments than usual), although the Moon can also be calming to look at.

    I think he was worried, there was a lot of tension. I think deep inside he knew that it is wrong to have such enmity with Ukraine, but there was not much one can do from a Russian nationalist perspective. The level of agitation was very high, in the media as well, plus it was post Covid. Also, didn't they shut down his page? It could've been hurtful to have his project shut down...

    Zhirinovsky was who was known as controlled by KGB and then later FSB. So, going to coma in February 2022, when he was talking about the operation too early.
     
    Well, a lot is controlled by FSB, but it seems that Zhirinovsky was ideologically that way. Yes, it is a little strange, because he spent decades trashing Ukraine et al, he mapped out the potential partitions a long time ago, but then he died right as the war began.

    This is all so wild...

    Replies: @Dmitry

    irinovsky was ideologically that way.

    Well, I know even less than you so it’s just intuition of someone who finds all this topic depressing and therefore looks at it for a few minutes time maximum before depression, and then guesses.

    But I wouldn’t guess they are “ideologically that way”.

    Maybe he was just worker for the KGB after 1970s or sometime already in Brezhnev time, does the different job with them in the USSR, without personal views, continues the same in the postsoviet epoch.

    It doesn’t mean he actually believes these things. It’s just his job.

    You know in the 1990s, he was famous for promoting antisemitism for some political agenda, maybe nobody understands which was not powerful people. Parts of the government in the 1980s and 1990s was promoting antisemitism and Zhirinovsky was the mainstream representative of this fashion.

    In the 1980s he was working quite other job though, which could be funny for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHu8pfOB4o.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    In those years, the notions of dignity had not completely disappeared from the city. Zhirinovsky seemed like an accidental clown that everyone will forget about in a couple of years, with whom no one will deal with and, in general, a mistake of nature. Well, a dude came out with some crazy statements “we will wash our boots in the Indian Ocean, we are a great nation, Russia is above all!” Well, he got some applause. Well, we had a good time, we chose a joke. In Italy, fir example, Chichollina was elected a deputy, I even drank champagne with her in Rome at the congress of the Radical Party. You never know what freaks emerge from the collective unconscious at historical turning points!

    But I agreed. Filippov made me look at Zhirinovsky differently. And a week later, at night (in order to maintain secrecy), the lawyer's son came to my studio on Kamennoostrovsky. The studio was at Lenfilm. And the babushka-watchman at the main entrance was not at all surprised. Well, some extras coming, what is it again? And here I was dumbfounded. Zhirinovsky arrived with an entourage. There were three hundred people with him. And Woland's ball turned out to be just a miserable fantasy of a morphine addict, reality is always more interesting
     

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/65727/dela-4/

    Zapolskyi knew a lot and wrote and talked too much and now he's dead.

    Same about Prosvirnin.

    But there's nothing depressing about it. When one knows a lot, one should just laugh it all away, because as is said in the Scriptures : "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief." Ecc. 1:17 - 18.


    Vaut mieux en rire qu'en pleurer, mon jeune ami...
     
    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Sher Singh

  244. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Silesia was taken as revenge for Frederick the Great's Polonophobia and warmongering. Since Silesia was Frederick the Great's giant trophy, it was considered unfair to let Germany keep it after WWII.

    Replies: @Beckow

    … Silesia was Frederick the Great’s giant trophy

    Silesia was what made Prussia eventually dominant within Germany – rich, industrious region. Prussia took it from Habsburgs, not Poland. Previous to that Silesia was a part of the Czech crown lands.

    There was no ethnic, historical or geographic reason for Poland to take it, Churchill was against it till the end. Silesia was given to Poland as a very generous gift by Russia after Russia lost half a million soldiers liberating Poland. Poles were slated by Germans to disappear, to not exist, to be gone. They live because of Russian sacrifices.

    The cosmic ingratitude that the Poles are showing is fatal. The universe is not perfect, but there is harmony, eventually the Poles will pay a high price – all their equivocation, Anglo-love, fake history, hatred, will come back to haunt them. As in the past.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    but there is harmony
     
    I don’t think there is harmony. But there is karma. Poland chose its karma when Poles ate each other in besieged Kremlin in 1611. Delusions of grandeur combined with enthusiastic boot-licking is just as disgusting today as it ever was.

    I am not saying that all Poles are disgusting boot-lickers with bloated egos. I personally know quite a few. Most of them are normal decent people. None of them lives in Poland, though.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages. If Zionists could claim Palestine based on 2,000-year-old history, why can't Poles do the same for Silesia with somewhat more recent history?

    Also, Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary had they agreed to ally with Hitler early enough. Heck, even allying with Hitler late or at least quickly submitting to Hitler would have probably resulted in a Czech scenario for Poland. But a Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Replies: @Beckow

  245. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Incidentally, some of his portrayals of Russia as a sane country where many things worked better than in the West
     
    From my pov there was always a fundamental tension in this regard...he criticized "Russophobia" within the West (and often with good reason, even now there's quite a bit to criticize with all that self-righteous talk about "orcs" and similar war hysteria), yet promoted the imperialist-chauvinist garbage of people like Kholmogorov (who of course also hasn't volunteered for the Z-operation) and made comments betraying the very megalomania Russians are typically accused of (e.g. I'm pretty sure that reiner tor or me got him at one point to say that "of course" Russia should have had hegemony over Eastern Europe - or even more than that - because its culture was intrinsically superior and the opinion of the locals didn't matter anyway). And the things he wrote in February 2022..."the FSB is coming for the rainbow people in Kiev", "the mother of Russian cities is coming home", "the war is about capturing Ukraine's human capital" etc...really should be repellent to anybody who isn't invested in Russian nationalism, like he went out of his way to confirm the worst stereotypes. tbh I don't think it speaks well of professional contrarians like Hanania that they totally overlooked this dimension (of course there's also the issue that Karlin was simply wrong about the course of the war in the first weeks/months).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death, @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Yevardian

    OT, but reading Livy is having me consider changing my mind about exhaustively going through the main canon. Honestly his first pentad may be some of the most utterly boring historical literature I’ve ever read (not counting actual annals, but as a prose work this comes close).
    As often commented on, Livy’s lack of historical perspective or real world military/political experience becomes painfully obvious early on. Even by classical standards the omnipresent moralism gets sickly, unlike (say) Plutarch’s, Livy has about as much subtlety as a sledgehammer, absolutely Diodoros-tier. Not much of a Latinist myself, but I don’t see why his style is much praised either.

    Though I suppose these defects are particularly magnified by the near-ahistoric nature of the period of Rome before the Gallic sacking… I think a major reason for the tedium of Livy’s first pentad is he’s taking essentially annalistic scraps, and just inventing whole scenes from them, transforming what could only have been tawdry miserable skirmishes between rival villages into lengthy and otiose epics.
    That and Livy clearly has either no understanding or interest in strategy or the history of ideas, a real shame Sallust’s main works are lost. I can’t even call him a historian at this point, he seems to have been just a popular summariser for the plebs, Robin Lane-Fox tier.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    I always liked Tacitus and thought Livy was a snooze in comparison. Maybe the historians like it just because more of it survived and it fills up a vacuum?

    Sutonius 12 Caesars is great if you haven't gotten around to reading it. Most of it is probably made up but the same is true of all ancient histories.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

  246. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Well, жизнь вообще жесть.



    That's why we say in Russian: жизнь - золотая наша жестянка...

    Yes Yegor had it coming, but he was aware of it. When he was much younger, IIRC he wrote something along the lines of : "and perhaps one day some chaos demon would swallow me whole (меня сожрёт)". He was quite a lot into Chaos Magick and he "committed suicide" after officially converting to Orthodox Christianity, despite his supposedly Jewish roots on his mother's side and his wife once being a pageant in the "Jewish star of Moscow" competition.

    They were a truly lovely couple...

    https://ruskline.ru/images/cms/data/portrety/prosvirin.jpg

    (In good Noviop company).

    https://vittar.livejournal.com/570391.html

    (Notice the picture of Prigozhin wearing a yarmulke)

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/andreychernuhin/69297246/256117/256117_900.jpg

    (Notice Belov - Potkin wearing a vyshivanka).

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/adonaris/18513111/55672/55672_original.jpg

    (Notice Nosyk wearing a kipa)

    Здесь все свои. Это наш весёлый карнавал...

    BTW, I remember posting on the S&P discussion board a picture of Yegor wearing a kipa that I found somewhere on teh internets back in the day. The reaction of the Sputniko-Pogromists was hilarious...

    As Dmitry Ponomaryov (aka known as the libertarian/anarcho-capitalist conspiracy theorist blogger RedDVL) wrote about Prosvirnin: "других Русских националистов у меня для вас нет..."

    Our friend sudden death took seriously the jokes of a talented young man endowed with a great sense of humor, who unfortunately ended up in a very sad way...

    Мир праху...

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife? Hmm. Did they just happen to be there together… makes one wonder.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife?
     
    Yes it is the Wagner's Chief (pun intended).

    Did they just happen to be there together… makes one wonder

    Perhaps it was 7:40 pm and the proverbial train had just arrived at the Kievskyi Vokzal from Odessa Mama ?

    https://youtu.be/WpBwMSval9I

    BTW, Prosvirnin knew Bednov (Batman) and Mozgovoy very well, S&P sponsored Bednov's platoon. Prosvirnin also knew very well who liquidated Bednov, his wife probably also knew as well.

    As did Mil'chakov (of DShRG Rusych fame), who knew very well who killed his militia boss (that was Batman), but then nevertheless went to work for Wagner in the Bilad al Sham. Mil'chakov knew very well who was Yegor's wife as well (despite Mil'chakov's muh Nazism much), but he accepted to give a YouTube interview to Yegor after S&P got censored. That video has been memory-holed as well, despite Mil'chakov being very well behaved in that vid. They wore fancy suits and drank single malts in the Dmitriev's Pub in Moscow where AK also happened to go sometimes to join the nationalist meetings.

    When that video interview came out, AK was kind of destabilized and wrote in a reply to one of my comments that Russia doesn't need passionarii such as Mil'chakov. I agree that RusFed doesn't need people such as Mil'chakov (and/or Tesak), RusFed would prefer these people dying in Donbas or in Idlib. But Rus' might need this kind of people, and not in Ukraine, but in Moscow itself...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW

  247. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW

    There is a difference between the life in a large country and the political culture.

    Life in the country with model of "pseudodemocracy" politics, is probably usually better than in most of the autocracy societies.

    But pseudodemocracy was an experiment of those years 1991-2022 and how was the result for the general culture?

    If you know these toys.
    https://i.imgur.com/3xrxGLJ.jpg

    In pseudodemocracy, the children sit in the toy car or toy boat. The toy car make some kinds of noises and movement, so the child believes they are controlling it.

    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don't really believe this. It's a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing. So, the managers of the toys are always adding more loud noises, more exciting movements to the game.

    In autocracy, they just put the children in a quiet room and lock the door. It's the same result, so the children don't move.

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?

    In both situations, children don't move. In some ways, you can prefer the calm quiet television in Soviet times. There was still negative effects for the culture. But it was different than the noise and distraction that is required for managing children in the pseudodemocracy.

    I think there are already some of the difference with Belarus. Lukashenko is not from the KGB training. He doesn't flood the culture so much with decoys and distraction.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games. It's possible after 2022, in Russia it is already becoming more like Belarus. For many people, this change feels positively.


    think they did it on purpose, to turn the whole debate into a “clown show”

     

    I don't think it is following a script.

    They are just were autonomous people who have a kind of general direction of their profession, until Zhirinovsky seems unprofessional in December 2021 and he doesn't wake again.

    By the way, without jokes, she is doing quite good journalism, but it is not always unmatching with the authorities.

    https://dailystorm.ru/kultura/shiigumen-sergiy-otkrestilsya-ot-svoey-svyazi-s-sobchak

    https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/5185c69f

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/13/sobchak/

    https://www.starhit.ru/life/opalnyiy-otets-sergiy-soratniki-kotorogo-napali-na-kseniyu-sobchak-syadet-na-3-5-goda-259858/

    Replies: @LatW

    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don’t really believe this. It’s a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.

    This is an interesting analogy. It’s a situation where one is safe yet gets to have some excitement or experience of some “action”. Many probably know they don’t have a real democracy, but are pretending that exists. Some media moderators are that way since it’s their job.

    But it’s not always easy to live in a pluralistic society and multi party politics, as well as political competition, can create tension. It would be awesome to have a real ethnonationalist party (it wouldn’t be that large but would still be awesome), but I can imagine how it would be attacked by other parties. Let’s admit it, it would be a mess. But eventually everyone would get used to it and just accept it.

    [MORE]

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing.

    Are you trying to say that it stopped just now or in 2022? Do you mean that the pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there’s much left there…

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?

    Best is to sit together in a room and talk for a long time (ok, maybe not necessarily in a circle, lol, but you know what I mean), where nobody is treated like a child.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games.

    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian. But Belarus is totalitarian, there are many Belarusians who are in Ukraine now, who want freedom (including nationalists).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    where nobody is treated like a child.
     
    Available choices are not democracy vs pseudodemocracy.

    Options are something like pseudodemocracy vs autocracy/oligarchy/junta etc.

    So, which were the pluses and minuses of the managed democracy.

    -

    Some of the minuses are psychologicaly.

    For example, Eurovision song contest has been extremely popular in Russia for ordinary people. It was very promoted by the government and federal media for all these years.

    But in the last years, media is saying patriots are supposed to dislike it.

    There is something psychologically which is stressful, when people have to pretend to be simulating attitudes that change every few years, so everyone can pretend it is a democratic choice.

    If it can be, systems transition to more tradition autocracy or collective leadership, there is at least the small plus people don't have the burden of carrying the pseudodemocracy theatre.

    -

    By the way, you asked about my parents' interest in Soviet bands of the 1980s. But they were real experts about Western bands. In Soviet times, the music nerds know more about Western music, than many people in the West of those years. People had quite a lot of the cultural access. .


    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian.
     
    They have mostly autocracy system although with a lot of wealthy local oligarchs surrounding the politician.

    t the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife? Hmm
     
    It looks like she is a journalist reporting for the event.

    Also for Prosvirnin, it doesn't mean he necessarily has Jewish roots, just because he was going to some Jewish events.

    Jewish events in Russia, are a common part of the elite social life.

    Prosvirnin was a imperialist activist, trying to become part of the media or celebrity elite. So, it is also possible he would go to Jewish events in Moscow as part of the social climbing. That's not to say, he doesn't have Jewish roots.


    -

    There are two things there. Jewish roots are very common in Russia, so it's kind of likely he would have Jewish roots like anyone.

    But the Jewish events is also just one of the parts of the upper class social events in Russia. If you wanted to do social climbing, you would go to this kind of events.

    It doesn't mean, the celebrities and people in Jewish events are all Jewish. It's just one part of the social life of celebrities.


    -

    If you want example of the Russian Federation ruling celebrities, you know Baskov, Kirkorov, Leps, Klava Koka etc are not Jewish.

    But a lot of the life of Russian celebrities, is singing Hava Nagila in the Jewish events, bar mitvahs etc.

    You know Baskov has no Jewish nationality, but probably no-one in Russia sings more Hava Nagila (except Kirkorov).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxp-IWcXWe4

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there’s much left there…
     
    We were discussing in end of 2021, there was already transition in the culture of the popular music, when Morgenshtern goes to exile really because the weak level of satire of the political elite.

    Morgenshtern was not sophisticated. He was just YouTuber level of satire.

    But he was still satire of the postsoviet political system and elite, that is suitable for pseudodemocracy. He was very careful to say anything directly to criticize the authorities. He didn't add direct criticism in the meaningless song lyrics. Mostly it was just indirect visual satire.

    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn't say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He's too much of satire for the new system and that's why he was exiting in 2021.

    In comparison, Klava Koka will be politically acceptable after 2022.

    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won't have satire tones.

    -

    Morgenshtern was doing Charlie Chaplin clowning to satire the postsoviet elite/arrivistes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsvM80bIA1k

    Klava Koka just does unironically aesthetics of the postsoviet elite, without satire. Although adding promoting feminism and LGBT culture.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTB5nfF5Cc

    Klava Koka seems like she really wants to display unironically lifestyle of Russian elite, without the satire or criticism.

    She is serious enough like she doesn't understand satire, I don't Morgenshtern could do enough of funny Charlie Chaplin behaviors to make her video satire of elites' culture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymC66795MNE

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  248. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Kholmogorov is a quite known celebrity in Russia. He is used for television about ten years ago.

    I even saw him a few times on the television, this is many years in the past before 2015. He was collaborator with a more famous celebrity called Anatoly Vasserman, who is really famous in the local media.

    Kholmogorov presents the mainstream Kremlin or Russian imperialist views. Then Vasserman presents the more extreme version of the Russian imperialist views with a neosoviet or Stalinist packaging.

    This is a kind of argument between friends.

    So, Kholmogorov seems like the sensible, while Vasserman seems like notsensible version, of the same government views. Both sides of the argument are within the government narrative.

    You can choose two packaging of the same product, like blue or red can of Pringles. Vasserman packages as a eccentric Soviet grandfather. Kholmogorov as a fake "Russian empire" grandfather.

    It was a bit of genius trolling by Karlin of you. You are a person with elite education from an elite country, when you are responding seriously about Kholmogorov's text. There is a reason where Karlin was impressive and seemed to focus on trolling you.

    It's a professional historian, with elite education in Germany, writing about a local political entertainment from Russia.

    Maybe we can find professional German rocket scientists to write criticisms of the physics in "Masha and the Bear".

    Replies: @Coconuts

    It was a bit of genius trolling by Karlin of you. You are a person with elite education from an elite country, when you are responding seriously about Kholmogorov’s text. There is a reason where Karlin was impressive and seemed to focus on trolling you.

    Some of Karlin’s ability must have been related to the way Western academics and specialists were writing about contemporary Russia.

    I know I read various books and materials by a seemingly reputable security/defence analysis (like Mark Galeotti) describing the Russian army as sophisticated and powerful, these books were being sold to Western general readers. At the same time, other prominent academics like Timothy Snyder and some of his Yale colleagues were discussing Putinism seriously as being the leading edge of a global nationalistic or identarian revival (Putin and his cyber warfare experts won the US election for Trump, caused Brexit and other things) .

    It’s like this helped foster a kind of background plausibility to things Karlin was writing, Karlin also seemed aware of some of the more interesting ideas within the Western Dissident Right and would hint that they were already being closer to reality in the RF. It seems he had a decent sense of how to interest some Western readers at a particular point in time.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  249. But it’s not always easy to live in a pluralistic society and multi party politics, as well as political competition, can create tension.

    One problem with liberal-democratic models is that they can end up concealing where political power really lies, and what kind of forces and interests might really be driving political change. This means sometimes you can get the development of a ‘crisis of the demo-liberal fictions’, more or less severe depending on the circumstances. The previous crisis in the post-WW1 era was very severe, the I guess the current one will be milder at least.

    The problem with managed democracy in the RF seems to reflect some more general trend, just in a a more stark way.

    I suspect Belarus doesn’t have this issue at the moment because almost everyone is aware of where authority and power lies in that system, and it is all channeled around a single guy. Belarus must be the most retro European country in this respect.

  250. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    irinovsky was ideologically that way.
     
    Well, I know even less than you so it's just intuition of someone who finds all this topic depressing and therefore looks at it for a few minutes time maximum before depression, and then guesses.

    But I wouldn't guess they are "ideologically that way".

    Maybe he was just worker for the KGB after 1970s or sometime already in Brezhnev time, does the different job with them in the USSR, without personal views, continues the same in the postsoviet epoch.

    It doesn't mean he actually believes these things. It's just his job.

    You know in the 1990s, he was famous for promoting antisemitism for some political agenda, maybe nobody understands which was not powerful people. Parts of the government in the 1980s and 1990s was promoting antisemitism and Zhirinovsky was the mainstream representative of this fashion.

    In the 1980s he was working quite other job though, which could be funny for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgHu8pfOB4o.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    In those years, the notions of dignity had not completely disappeared from the city. Zhirinovsky seemed like an accidental clown that everyone will forget about in a couple of years, with whom no one will deal with and, in general, a mistake of nature. Well, a dude came out with some crazy statements “we will wash our boots in the Indian Ocean, we are a great nation, Russia is above all!” Well, he got some applause. Well, we had a good time, we chose a joke. In Italy, fir example, Chichollina was elected a deputy, I even drank champagne with her in Rome at the congress of the Radical Party. You never know what freaks emerge from the collective unconscious at historical turning points!

    But I agreed. Filippov made me look at Zhirinovsky differently. And a week later, at night (in order to maintain secrecy), the lawyer’s son came to my studio on Kamennoostrovsky. The studio was at Lenfilm. And the babushka-watchman at the main entrance was not at all surprised. Well, some extras coming, what is it again? And here I was dumbfounded. Zhirinovsky arrived with an entourage. There were three hundred people with him. And Woland’s ball turned out to be just a miserable fantasy of a morphine addict, reality is always more interesting

    [MORE]

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/65727/dela-4/

    Zapolskyi knew a lot and wrote and talked too much and now he’s dead.

    Same about Prosvirnin.

    But there’s nothing depressing about it. When one knows a lot, one should just laugh it all away, because as is said in the Scriptures : “For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief.” Ecc. 1:17 – 18.

    Vaut mieux en rire qu’en pleurer, mon jeune ami…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    nothing depressing about it.

     

    Liberal media has always said Zhirinovsky was a representative of the KGB and continues this work in the postsoviet system.

    His work in KGB was always semi-mainstream discussion in Russian media.

    But this is a depressing story for country's culture with him in 2022, receiving the "mafia pension". After all these years, he is stable part of Russian television.

    He begins work in the KGB maybe 50 years ago? Working probably as a loyal servant all these decades.

    Then thrown on the trashcan in February 2022, like a waste product, when he is not required.

    -

    It's the "mafia pension". They work for the mafia for all their life and instead of pension, just get the bullet.

    , @Sher Singh
    @Ivashka the fool


    https://twitter.com/YungBhujang/status/1280931073384501249
    https://twitter.com/YungBhujang/status/1632913883869376513

    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1489864779040980992?s=20

    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1478859999484936195
    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1529492813729366017

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  251. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    I was quoting a comment elsewhere about the Noviops. Did you miss the quotation marks?

    This was your statement: Take any significant “Russian” “opposition” figure and be sure it’s not ethnic Russian.

    I pointed out an opposition leader that is ethnic Russian.

    How do you know so much about obscure candidates for the mantle of a Russian nationalist opposition leaders? CIA much

    Once again you seem mystified by the fact I read outside of Unz and don't run on half-emotion like yourself.

    Here is a good article for you from a Jewish source:

    Why Putin embraces Jews and not gays
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-putin-embraces-russias-jews-but-not-its-gays/

    Does Navalny or Putin have more Jewish ties?

    Nalvany was born in Russia and growing up in Ukraine as a child does not somehow discredit his citizenship. So nice attempt at trying to discredit him but Putin's own rules make him a Russian:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny#Early_life_and_career

    Of course one look at Nalvany and you can see why Putin hates him. He is over 6ft and can obtain women without buying them.

    But keep defending the dwarf. You'd think that dragon's teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn't going so well but I guess you and others can't get off your knees.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Sean

    {D]ragon’s teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn’t going so well

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones. Zone 1: first 3-4km from the RuFLOT is the forward security zone consisting of individual squad or platoon outposts and individual company strongpoints. Zone 2: first defensive line, 2-3km deep. Company trenches and strongpoints arranged along key terrain features in continuous line. … Zone 3: 4-5km deep zone with reserve- and possible decoy positions. This zone is also where majority of the local Russian artillery and mechanized reserves will be maneuvering behind the first defense line. Multiple shelter areas for vehicles and equipment observed. Zone 4: Prepared main defensive line. Massive multilayered trench lines with anti-tank ditches and dragons’ teeth obstacles. Extensive minefields are likely. These fortifications form nearly uniformly continuous defensive belt across the front. Built 3-4km deep. Zone 5: Reserve and fallback positions behind the main defensive line (zone 3). Zone 6: Town … and the surrounding AT-ditch and strongpoints form the last fallback and reserve position on this sector prepared for all-around defense.

    Having a circular anti tank ditch, they are not gong to to flee just because a photo of a Ukrainian flag in a town behind them appears on social media, but

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    .Prominent media voices such as journalist Anne Applebaum and retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges have consistently advocated for the retaking of Crimea, arguing that such a move would effectively end the war. This may or may not be true, but the risks of nuclear escalation do not today warrant such an aggressive strategy. The Biden administration’s unwillingness to provide Ukraine long-range missiles such as those used in last fall’s counteroffensive seems to confirm this hesitancy.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean

    If this will be persistent issue, no much use of that hypothetical all around defense by RF:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvw0BNjXoAI7Paw.png


    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1656256203432013824

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones.

    Some interesting details but I think most of it is useless.

    Mines can slow armored offenses but not trenches. Even the Nazis stopped building them at the end of WW2. They switched to the tactic of hiding artillery and letting the enemy enter an area without knowing if it is defended. Tear up the armor with artillery and leave the troops vulnerable. The Nazis could have bled the Soviets into an armistice if they played smart defensive battles after Stalingrad. Hitler however wanted an offensive for the sake of morale and made the mistake of attacking Kursk even though it was heavily defended.

    I don't see the Ukrainians making the same mistake of Kursk. They can see the defenses on satellite and can prepare for them. They're not going to drive gun ho into minefields and artillery. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut. That is what Russian State TV and Putin's fans keep telling themselves. Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater. As if Putin is playing some grand game where it only appears that they are unable to take Bakhmut. Putin is not a master strategist and doesn't use the internet. As I have pointed out many times he hasn't even read about the lessons from WW1 trench warfare. He has an extremely arrogant belief that the Russians will somehow win in the end and he doesn't have to educate himself to such things.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @Sean

  252. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Yegor was a level 1488 troll. I loved S&P, it was excellent entertainment. These guys were as good as it gets. You read too much into their antics. You shouldn't project the Baltic resolute and serious attitude on sloppy Slavic mentality. You guys are way too serious. ;-)

    Replies: @sudden death

    Putin himself isn’t any worse troll either, but does it make more fun for those who have to spill own blood on the grounds somewhere in a field foxhole while believing they’re implementing/defending from the same map Prosvirnin was drawing?

    I’d say Putka is better troll than Egor Prosvirnin, cause he managed to declared Kherson being RF forever under the screams about “Goida” done by presenter hard RU nationalist, but dressed in red/black colours of UPA flag and then left the city several weeks after, lol

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

    Also, during Tzarist rule in 19th century Lithuania it was forbidden to print any press/books in Latin scripture, but now RF has been Latinized to the point of having hybrid Latin/Cyrillic banners at the highest imaginable levels, but under the pretext of returning to imperial glory kek;)

    The most famous brand of RF military company isn’t called “Tchaikovsky PMC” either, so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground…
     
    Yes.

    That's how Noviops play their bloody "Hunger Games". And they do that on both sides of the frontline. That's why I say again (I know that I still have to repeat myself, but I hope that one day this line would become self-evident for any intelligent person): борьба была равна, боролись два г☆вна.

    Slavs ans other Eastern European folks do not benefit from the games these degenerate scum play with other peoples' lives. Nobody does benefit anywhere from these people being in charge. These people are sick. They should be rounded up and put in some serious mental reform facility, карательная психиатрия label not withstanding...

    Replies: @sudden death

  253. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the "Jewish star" contest together with Prosvirnin's wife? Hmm. Did they just happen to be there together... makes one wonder.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife?

    Yes it is the Wagner’s Chief (pun intended).

    Did they just happen to be there together… makes one wonder

    Perhaps it was 7:40 pm and the proverbial train had just arrived at the Kievskyi Vokzal from Odessa Mama ?

    BTW, Prosvirnin knew Bednov (Batman) and Mozgovoy very well, S&P sponsored Bednov’s platoon. Prosvirnin also knew very well who liquidated Bednov, his wife probably also knew as well.

    As did Mil’chakov (of DShRG Rusych fame), who knew very well who killed his militia boss (that was Batman), but then nevertheless went to work for Wagner in the Bilad al Sham. Mil’chakov knew very well who was Yegor’s wife as well (despite Mil’chakov’s muh Nazism much), but he accepted to give a YouTube interview to Yegor after S&P got censored. That video has been memory-holed as well, despite Mil’chakov being very well behaved in that vid. They wore fancy suits and drank single malts in the Dmitriev’s Pub in Moscow where AK also happened to go sometimes to join the nationalist meetings.

    When that video interview came out, AK was kind of destabilized and wrote in a reply to one of my comments that Russia doesn’t need passionarii such as Mil’chakov. I agree that RusFed doesn’t need people such as Mil’chakov (and/or Tesak), RusFed would prefer these people dying in Donbas or in Idlib. But Rus’ might need this kind of people, and not in Ukraine, but in Moscow itself…

    🙂

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    despite Mil’chakov being very well behaved in that vid.
     
    Hahaha, it's funny how you say that, to call that "well behaved" ("я нацист!"). Priceless. But I know what you mean. I enjoyed that interview. Mil'chakov just really looks like some soldier of fortune, not sure he has any influence on Rus nationalism as a movement.

    But Rus’ might need this kind of people, and not in Ukraine, but in Moscow itself…
     
    If things turn to smuta like conditions, then yes. But they would just be used. They could just end up killing each other then. But I like him wearing a suit.
  254. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Putin himself isn't any worse troll either, but does it make more fun for those who have to spill own blood on the grounds somewhere in a field foxhole while believing they're implementing/defending from the same map Prosvirnin was drawing?

    I'd say Putka is better troll than Egor Prosvirnin, cause he managed to declared Kherson being RF forever under the screams about "Goida" done by presenter hard RU nationalist, but dressed in red/black colours of UPA flag and then left the city several weeks after, lol

    https://i.postimg.cc/x9qzvmtC/red-square-ochlobystin.webp

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

    Also, during Tzarist rule in 19th century Lithuania it was forbidden to print any press/books in Latin scripture, but now RF has been Latinized to the point of having hybrid Latin/Cyrillic banners at the highest imaginable levels, but under the pretext of returning to imperial glory kek;)

    https://www.merkur.de/bilder/2022/03/18/91420904/28471819-russlands-praesident-putin-0fe.jpg

    The most famous brand of RF military company isn't called "Tchaikovsky PMC" either, so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground…

    Yes.

    That’s how Noviops play their bloody “Hunger Games”. And they do that on both sides of the frontline. That’s why I say again (I know that I still have to repeat myself, but I hope that one day this line would become self-evident for any intelligent person): борьба была равна, боролись два г☆вна.

    Slavs ans other Eastern European folks do not benefit from the games these degenerate scum play with other peoples’ lives. Nobody does benefit anywhere from these people being in charge. These people are sick. They should be rounded up and put in some serious mental reform facility, карательная психиатрия label not withstanding…

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    And they do that on both sides of the frontline
     
    Where is seen current UA state trolling at the highest levels from UA state mythology in this conflict? They seem to take it way more seriously at least regarding the both the visual and "holding the ground at all cost" levels, so this is rather baseless equalizing in this context.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  255. The myths of a nation are like the emotions of an individual: they prevent overthinking it

  256. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    so on symbolical level all of this is quite elaborate trolling/taunting of all those things which are considered as foundations of Russian state mythology, but yet it is the real blood flowing on the ground…
     
    Yes.

    That's how Noviops play their bloody "Hunger Games". And they do that on both sides of the frontline. That's why I say again (I know that I still have to repeat myself, but I hope that one day this line would become self-evident for any intelligent person): борьба была равна, боролись два г☆вна.

    Slavs ans other Eastern European folks do not benefit from the games these degenerate scum play with other peoples' lives. Nobody does benefit anywhere from these people being in charge. These people are sick. They should be rounded up and put in some serious mental reform facility, карательная психиатрия label not withstanding...

    Replies: @sudden death

    And they do that on both sides of the frontline

    Where is seen current UA state trolling at the highest levels from UA state mythology in this conflict? They seem to take it way more seriously at least regarding the both the visual and “holding the ground at all cost” levels, so this is rather baseless equalizing in this context.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    A tiger cannot change its stripes. Both the RusFedian and Ukiestani Noviops are mostly amoral scum (there are notable exceptions to this rule, but that's not the topic here). The Ukiestani Noviops come from the same matrix as the RusFedian ones. The Ukiestani strain are just better at marketing, public relations and communications. Which will make it just more bloody and painful for the normal Ukrainian folks in the first place. I know you think the problem is just the RusFedian one, but it is common to all Judeo-Christian derived societies. It is similar in the West as well, in the West we call them Globohomo, but it's thr same type of people. Degenerate sociopaths.

  257. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp's obviously ambiguous character.


    The Black Swan seemed okay
     
    (spoiler) Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. - at least it seemed improbable to me.

    BTW, 'Blood' from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin - though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.

    Replies: @S, @LondonBob

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.

    If they were to do redo it now, Depp’s character would probably be played by a Black tranny.

    [MORE]

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.

    Power’s pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. 😀

    BTW, ‘Blood’ from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin – though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).

    Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that. I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.

    That is funny.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.

    There is a dash of that, a slight caricaturization, in the clip below of a 1965 episode of The Avengers. The fictional town is called ‘Little Bazeley by the Sea’, and the pub is named ‘The Inebriated Gremlin’.

    There was a better example of that sort of thing I recall from one of the old episodes but I couldn’t find it just now. Oh, well. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S


    If they were to do redo it now, Depp’s character would probably be played by a Black tranny
     
    They did have that Jamaican patois-speaking black woman with black teeth who was supposed to be the goddess of the sea and who could grow to Godzilla's size, and who had previous race-mixing relationships with Davy Jones and, by inference, Jack Sparrow.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tia_Dalma

    For me, the most remarkable thing about those movies was how bad they were, despite the money put into them. I guess a lot of these cape movies are similar, but I wonder if it might be some epoch we are moving away from. Not that the movies will get better - just that less investment will go into them. Though I guess Bezos did spend a lot to buy the rights to LotR.

    I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.
     
    Welsh: ab Lloyd. They supposedly came to Ireland to help put down Hugh O'Neill's rebellion. There was a famous Col. Blood from Ireland who tried to steal the crown jewells. Probably that is were Sabatini got the name.

    Not very scientific, but my vague impression is that there were a number of Welsh families, who though arriving relatively late in Ireland, seem to have amalgamated into the Catholic population. Perhaps, it was because they were poor? But for example, there are Taylors near the Reeks who came over to work the mines after the Cromwellian conquest.

    I think it likely that the average Irish person has at least a very tiny bit of Welsh in them.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.
     
    There is a great diversity of placenames in Britain. Maybe, it helps create a homey feel that inspires one to try to come up with original names for pubs, etc?

    Replies: @S

    , @S
    @S

    Previous reply to Songbird should have read:



    Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. – at least it seemed improbable to me.
     
    Power’s pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. 😀
     
  258. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    And they do that on both sides of the frontline
     
    Where is seen current UA state trolling at the highest levels from UA state mythology in this conflict? They seem to take it way more seriously at least regarding the both the visual and "holding the ground at all cost" levels, so this is rather baseless equalizing in this context.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    A tiger cannot change its stripes. Both the RusFedian and Ukiestani Noviops are mostly amoral scum (there are notable exceptions to this rule, but that’s not the topic here). The Ukiestani Noviops come from the same matrix as the RusFedian ones. The Ukiestani strain are just better at marketing, public relations and communications. Which will make it just more bloody and painful for the normal Ukrainian folks in the first place. I know you think the problem is just the RusFedian one, but it is common to all Judeo-Christian derived societies. It is similar in the West as well, in the West we call them Globohomo, but it’s thr same type of people. Degenerate sociopaths.

  259. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    At least in the 20th century popular culture, usually the American media prefers dogs and the cat is often viewed as a nonamerican. Lovecraft seems to a bit of rebellion to this idea.

    Dogs are often in the media viewed as the patriotic and American animal. Even in our little forum, maybe I saw this attitude sometimes with the middle class Americans like AP, believes the correct white residents, with regularly cut lawn and the dog, is the adequate United States citizen, who can still shoot coyotes and bears.

    There are some examples in American culture, where the cats are seen as a kind of hedonistic, international mafia, reminding of the Old World, without so much of Republican or democratic attitude.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rrXR6n0RTY


    wild cats in Maricopa county (no problem with cats turning into popsicles here)
     
    Don't you also have cougars there? I know I saw enough videos on YouTube of American hunting fans shooting them.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    We do have bobcats here in AZ, although I’ve never seen one in the wild. The “Aristocats” were a bit high brow and special, given the red carpet treatment by the Disney studios. Also, you had to shell out top buck to see them on the Big Screen somewhere in the downtown fancy theaters. For more plebian kids, the choices came down to “Felix the Cat: and “Top Cat” both of whom played a special role within my affections.

    Felix had a magical bag of tricks that he could rely upon to help him on his escapades, whereas Top Cat, “TC” was a kind of early day hipster who mostly hung out with less than savory other neighborhood stray cats. Well, come to think about it, Disney also had their own cat character “Sylvester”, but all I remember him doing was chasing around a small yellow “birdie” and alas, never catching his prey. 🙂 So you see, cats were also well represented in the world of American make believe too.

    [MORE]

    And of course, perhaps the best cat character of all times, the venerable Pink Panther:

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    An interesting bit of American history is how the Tom and Jerry character Mammy Two-Shoes, debuted 1940 as a maid, and seemed to subtly transform into the owner of the house, before being axed altogether in 1953, and replaced in the old cartoons.

    https://youtu.be/qWlpktF5h0A

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

    Seems as though Turner brought her back in the '80s (likely with edits) while replacing the voice to be less stereotypical.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  260. I wonder if tatenori – the Japanese practice of jumping in unison at concerts is an example of the supposed affinity that East Asians have for mass synchronous movements.
    ____
    Koreans with the same name couldn’t get married until about 2005, which seems kind of shocking given the top 6 names cover about 56% of the pop. Perhaps, that is just an indication that clans were seen as a big problem in Korea until recently. (With some legacy of legal inertia)

  261. So do we have a prognosis for the Ukrainian spring/summer offensive? Initially I was skeptical, then I started thinking it might achieve breakthrough, and now I’m back to being skeptical. I expect that if the offensive is even launched at all, it probably won’t be until the fall. Right now I’m thinking that Ukraine just forgoes an attack in the south at this time and instead just focuses on counterattacking around Bakhmut.

    Ukraine’s biggest problem is that it isn’t possible to have a successful offensive operation when the other side has air supremacy. Ukraine is able to defend most of the airspace in the interior of the country, but Ukrainian air defense seems fairly impotent along the line of contact.

    The Russian army is a mess but it does appear that Russia is doing okay in terms of logistics and production. Furthermore, the Russian army’s tactical deficiencies are mostly an issue for offensive operations, the Russian military has performed well in defensive operations so far. This is all very common in authoritarian states at war.

    …..
    …..
    …..

    The debt impasse in the US has the potential to get interesting. I had been dismissive of it because I remember how nothing happened in 2011, but this time the Republicans have control of the House and got a resolution to raise the debt ceiling over to the Senate. Since the Senate is incapable of passing a clean debt limit hike, this gives the Republicans an unprecedented degree of leverage. Also, whereas in 2011 there was no public sympathy for the Republican demand to kill Obamacare, this time there is public support for the Republican calls to cut spending, particularly with the ongoing inflation situation.

    Even still, I’d say it is all a non issue except that the Dems have sort of backed themselves into a corner by saying that they won’t agree to anything short of a clean hike. I really don’t think the Republicans are going to agree to that.

    If we get to a situation where some type of technical default is triggered, it is quite possible that that blows up the entire bond market. I’m assuming that things won’t get to that point but the Dem leadership is so stupid that they may yet allow it to happen.

    Right now my money is still on nothing happens except maybe a short term stock market crash as we approach D Day, but it is worth keeping an eye on.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Sean
    @Greasy William

    It is not at all obvious that a combined arms offensive can work for either side, but assuming Ukraine achieved a decisive success and broke the Russians, what might they do? It is clear to me that America is not looking to find out.

    America could easily give F16's, jam the Russian GLONASS, (GPS than is necessary for guided missiles) and supply Ukraine with ATACMS , but haven't: they don't dare. I think Washington's goal is to stalemate Putin and wait out his tenure in the Kremlin.

    However, it is not at all clear what Putin's objectives now are. It was a matter of days after Putin's Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky's orders that Putin began the Russian army build up on Ukraine's border for the invasion.

    Replies: @sudden death

  262. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    OT, but reading Livy is having me consider changing my mind about exhaustively going through the main canon. Honestly his first pentad may be some of the most utterly boring historical literature I've ever read (not counting actual annals, but as a prose work this comes close).
    As often commented on, Livy's lack of historical perspective or real world military/political experience becomes painfully obvious early on. Even by classical standards the omnipresent moralism gets sickly, unlike (say) Plutarch's, Livy has about as much subtlety as a sledgehammer, absolutely Diodoros-tier. Not much of a Latinist myself, but I don't see why his style is much praised either.

    Though I suppose these defects are particularly magnified by the near-ahistoric nature of the period of Rome before the Gallic sacking... I think a major reason for the tedium of Livy's first pentad is he's taking essentially annalistic scraps, and just inventing whole scenes from them, transforming what could only have been tawdry miserable skirmishes between rival villages into lengthy and otiose epics.
    That and Livy clearly has either no understanding or interest in strategy or the history of ideas, a real shame Sallust's main works are lost. I can't even call him a historian at this point, he seems to have been just a popular summariser for the plebs, Robin Lane-Fox tier.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I always liked Tacitus and thought Livy was a snooze in comparison. Maybe the historians like it just because more of it survived and it fills up a vacuum?

    Sutonius 12 Caesars is great if you haven’t gotten around to reading it. Most of it is probably made up but the same is true of all ancient histories.

    • Replies: @Wanderghost
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Most of it is probably made up but the same is true of all ancient histories.

     

    Not, of course, to mention modern and current history.
  263. @S
    @songbird


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    If they were to do redo it now, Depp's character would probably be played by a Black tranny.


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    Power's pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. :-D

    BTW, ‘Blood’ from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin – though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I suppose it's an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.
     
    That is funny.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.

    There is a dash of that, a slight caricaturization, in the clip below of a 1965 episode of The Avengers. The fictional town is called 'Little Bazeley by the Sea', and the pub is named 'The Inebriated Gremlin'.

    There was a better example of that sort of thing I recall from one of the old episodes but I couldn't find it just now. Oh, well. :-)


    https://youtu.be/W363ExEokpE

    Replies: @songbird, @S

    If they were to do redo it now, Depp’s character would probably be played by a Black tranny

    They did have that Jamaican patois-speaking black woman with black teeth who was supposed to be the goddess of the sea and who could grow to Godzilla’s size, and who had previous race-mixing relationships with Davy Jones and, by inference, Jack Sparrow.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tia_Dalma

    For me, the most remarkable thing about those movies was how bad they were, despite the money put into them. I guess a lot of these cape movies are similar, but I wonder if it might be some epoch we are moving away from. Not that the movies will get better – just that less investment will go into them. Though I guess Bezos did spend a lot to buy the rights to LotR.

    [MORE]

    I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    Welsh: ab Lloyd. They supposedly came to Ireland to help put down Hugh O’Neill’s rebellion. There was a famous Col. Blood from Ireland who tried to steal the crown jewells. Probably that is were Sabatini got the name.

    Not very scientific, but my vague impression is that there were a number of Welsh families, who though arriving relatively late in Ireland, seem to have amalgamated into the Catholic population. Perhaps, it was because they were poor? But for example, there are Taylors near the Reeks who came over to work the mines after the Cromwellian conquest.

    I think it likely that the average Irish person has at least a very tiny bit of Welsh in them.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.

    There is a great diversity of placenames in Britain. Maybe, it helps create a homey feel that inspires one to try to come up with original names for pubs, etc?

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    They did have that Jamaican patois-speaking black woman with black teeth who was supposed to be the goddess of the sea...
     
    Yes, Calypso, whom was a Greek invention and hardly African.


    I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.
     
    Welsh: ab Lloyd. They supposedly came to Ireland to help put down Hugh O’Neill’s rebellion. There was a famous Col. Blood from Ireland who tried to steal the crown jewells. Probably that is were Sabatini got the name.
     
    Thanks. It's fascinating how these names come about.

    There is a great diversity of placenames in Britain. Maybe, it helps create a homey feel that inspires one to try to come up with original names for pubs, etc?
     
    That, and I suppose as life is difficult enough, it's not a bad thing to throw in a little bit of humor here and there.
  264. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ... Silesia was Frederick the Great’s giant trophy
     
    Silesia was what made Prussia eventually dominant within Germany - rich, industrious region. Prussia took it from Habsburgs, not Poland. Previous to that Silesia was a part of the Czech crown lands.

    There was no ethnic, historical or geographic reason for Poland to take it, Churchill was against it till the end. Silesia was given to Poland as a very generous gift by Russia after Russia lost half a million soldiers liberating Poland. Poles were slated by Germans to disappear, to not exist, to be gone. They live because of Russian sacrifices.

    The cosmic ingratitude that the Poles are showing is fatal. The universe is not perfect, but there is harmony, eventually the Poles will pay a high price - all their equivocation, Anglo-love, fake history, hatred, will come back to haunt them. As in the past.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    but there is harmony

    I don’t think there is harmony. But there is karma. Poland chose its karma when Poles ate each other in besieged Kremlin in 1611. Delusions of grandeur combined with enthusiastic boot-licking is just as disgusting today as it ever was.

    I am not saying that all Poles are disgusting boot-lickers with bloated egos. I personally know quite a few. Most of them are normal decent people. None of them lives in Poland, though.

  265. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    We do have bobcats here in AZ, although I've never seen one in the wild. The "Aristocats" were a bit high brow and special, given the red carpet treatment by the Disney studios. Also, you had to shell out top buck to see them on the Big Screen somewhere in the downtown fancy theaters. For more plebian kids, the choices came down to "Felix the Cat: and "Top Cat" both of whom played a special role within my affections.

    Felix had a magical bag of tricks that he could rely upon to help him on his escapades, whereas Top Cat, "TC" was a kind of early day hipster who mostly hung out with less than savory other neighborhood stray cats. Well, come to think about it, Disney also had their own cat character "Sylvester", but all I remember him doing was chasing around a small yellow "birdie" and alas, never catching his prey. :-) So you see, cats were also well represented in the world of American make believe too.

    https://youtu.be/amGbBFsiuzc

    https://youtu.be/tBDF-UQWHh0


    https://youtu.be/hyQHoyp2Ulg

    And of course, perhaps the best cat character of all times, the venerable Pink Panther:

    https://youtu.be/o9s3Fir62Mk

    Replies: @songbird

    An interesting bit of American history is how the Tom and Jerry character Mammy Two-Shoes, debuted 1940 as a maid, and seemed to subtly transform into the owner of the house, before being axed altogether in 1953, and replaced in the old cartoons.

    [MORE]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

    Seems as though Turner brought her back in the ’80s (likely with edits) while replacing the voice to be less stereotypical.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I have no idea what Turner might have done with perhaps overdubbing the original (1950) or the edited (1966) versions in the 1980's. An equally interesting question would be how and why the 1966 version of the cartoon was ever made? Was this a sign that wokeization was already under way in 1966?

    Replies: @songbird

  266. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    {D]ragon’s teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn’t going so well
     
    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) "There are several distinct layers or defensive zones. Zone 1: first 3-4km from the RuFLOT is the forward security zone consisting of individual squad or platoon outposts and individual company strongpoints. Zone 2: first defensive line, 2-3km deep. Company trenches and strongpoints arranged along key terrain features in continuous line. ... Zone 3: 4-5km deep zone with reserve- and possible decoy positions. This zone is also where majority of the local Russian artillery and mechanized reserves will be maneuvering behind the first defense line. Multiple shelter areas for vehicles and equipment observed. Zone 4: Prepared main defensive line. Massive multilayered trench lines with anti-tank ditches and dragons’ teeth obstacles. Extensive minefields are likely. These fortifications form nearly uniformly continuous defensive belt across the front. Built 3-4km deep. Zone 5: Reserve and fallback positions behind the main defensive line (zone 3). Zone 6: Town ... and the surrounding AT-ditch and strongpoints form the last fallback and reserve position on this sector prepared for all-around defense."


    Having a circular anti tank ditch, they are not gong to to flee just because a photo of a Ukrainian flag in a town behind them appears on social media, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5hrx4V6-Q So what if the Ukrainian' counter' offensive succeeds?

    .Prominent media voices such as journalist Anne Applebaum and retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges have consistently advocated for the retaking of Crimea, arguing that such a move would effectively end the war. This may or may not be true, but the risks of nuclear escalation do not today warrant such an aggressive strategy. The Biden administration’s unwillingness to provide Ukraine long-range missiles such as those used in last fall’s counteroffensive seems to confirm this hesitancy.
     

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    If this will be persistent issue, no much use of that hypothetical all around defense by RF:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Interesting. If the RF forces while being in total disarray keep advancing in Bahmut/Artemovsk, Avdeevka, Mariinka, Kurakhovo, and elsewhere, what does it tell us about the Ukrainian army? Aren’t you afraid of being placed on Ukie Mirotvorets site?

    Replies: @sudden death

  267. Sean says:
    @Greasy William
    So do we have a prognosis for the Ukrainian spring/summer offensive? Initially I was skeptical, then I started thinking it might achieve breakthrough, and now I'm back to being skeptical. I expect that if the offensive is even launched at all, it probably won't be until the fall. Right now I'm thinking that Ukraine just forgoes an attack in the south at this time and instead just focuses on counterattacking around Bakhmut.

    Ukraine's biggest problem is that it isn't possible to have a successful offensive operation when the other side has air supremacy. Ukraine is able to defend most of the airspace in the interior of the country, but Ukrainian air defense seems fairly impotent along the line of contact.

    The Russian army is a mess but it does appear that Russia is doing okay in terms of logistics and production. Furthermore, the Russian army's tactical deficiencies are mostly an issue for offensive operations, the Russian military has performed well in defensive operations so far. This is all very common in authoritarian states at war.

    .....
    .....
    .....


    The debt impasse in the US has the potential to get interesting. I had been dismissive of it because I remember how nothing happened in 2011, but this time the Republicans have control of the House and got a resolution to raise the debt ceiling over to the Senate. Since the Senate is incapable of passing a clean debt limit hike, this gives the Republicans an unprecedented degree of leverage. Also, whereas in 2011 there was no public sympathy for the Republican demand to kill Obamacare, this time there is public support for the Republican calls to cut spending, particularly with the ongoing inflation situation.

    Even still, I'd say it is all a non issue except that the Dems have sort of backed themselves into a corner by saying that they won't agree to anything short of a clean hike. I really don't think the Republicans are going to agree to that.

    If we get to a situation where some type of technical default is triggered, it is quite possible that that blows up the entire bond market. I'm assuming that things won't get to that point but the Dem leadership is so stupid that they may yet allow it to happen.

    Right now my money is still on nothing happens except maybe a short term stock market crash as we approach D Day, but it is worth keeping an eye on.

    Replies: @Sean

    It is not at all obvious that a combined arms offensive can work for either side, but assuming Ukraine achieved a decisive success and broke the Russians, what might they do? It is clear to me that America is not looking to find out.

    America could easily give F16’s, jam the Russian GLONASS, (GPS than is necessary for guided missiles) and supply Ukraine with ATACMS , but haven’t: they don’t dare. I think Washington’s goal is to stalemate Putin and wait out his tenure in the Kremlin.

    However, it is not at all clear what Putin’s objectives now are. It was a matter of days after Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky’s orders that Putin began the Russian army build up on Ukraine’s border for the invasion.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean


    supply Ukraine with ATACMS , but haven’t: they don’t dare
     
    UK is daring though, that probably is the result of that previously announced special UA defence fund tender, which ended on May 6th IIRC:

    The UK has confirmed it is supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles it requested for its fight against invading Russian forces.

    The Storm Shadow cruise missile has a range of over 250km (155 miles), according to the manufacturer.

    By contrast, the US-supplied Himars missiles used by Ukraine only have a range of around 80 km (50 miles).

    The weapons will give Ukraine new capabilities as it prepares a counter-offensive against Russia.

    They are fired from aircraft, so the longer range means Ukrainian pilots will be able to stay further from the frontlines.

    Once launched, the Storm Shadow drops to low altitude to avoid detection by enemy radar, before latching onto its target with an infra-red seeker.

    The announcement was made in the House of Commons by UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace. The decision follows repeated pleas from Ukraine for more weapons from the West.

    Mr Wallace said the missiles would "allow Ukraine to push back Russian forces based on Ukrainian sovereign territory".
     

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65558070
  268. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    So, wait, in that pic, is that Yevgeni Prigozhin at the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife?
     
    Yes it is the Wagner's Chief (pun intended).

    Did they just happen to be there together… makes one wonder

    Perhaps it was 7:40 pm and the proverbial train had just arrived at the Kievskyi Vokzal from Odessa Mama ?

    https://youtu.be/WpBwMSval9I

    BTW, Prosvirnin knew Bednov (Batman) and Mozgovoy very well, S&P sponsored Bednov's platoon. Prosvirnin also knew very well who liquidated Bednov, his wife probably also knew as well.

    As did Mil'chakov (of DShRG Rusych fame), who knew very well who killed his militia boss (that was Batman), but then nevertheless went to work for Wagner in the Bilad al Sham. Mil'chakov knew very well who was Yegor's wife as well (despite Mil'chakov's muh Nazism much), but he accepted to give a YouTube interview to Yegor after S&P got censored. That video has been memory-holed as well, despite Mil'chakov being very well behaved in that vid. They wore fancy suits and drank single malts in the Dmitriev's Pub in Moscow where AK also happened to go sometimes to join the nationalist meetings.

    When that video interview came out, AK was kind of destabilized and wrote in a reply to one of my comments that Russia doesn't need passionarii such as Mil'chakov. I agree that RusFed doesn't need people such as Mil'chakov (and/or Tesak), RusFed would prefer these people dying in Donbas or in Idlib. But Rus' might need this kind of people, and not in Ukraine, but in Moscow itself...

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW

    [MORE]

    despite Mil’chakov being very well behaved in that vid.

    Hahaha, it’s funny how you say that, to call that “well behaved” (“я нацист!”). Priceless. But I know what you mean. I enjoyed that interview. Mil’chakov just really looks like some soldier of fortune, not sure he has any influence on Rus nationalism as a movement.

    But Rus’ might need this kind of people, and not in Ukraine, but in Moscow itself…

    If things turn to smuta like conditions, then yes. But they would just be used. They could just end up killing each other then. But I like him wearing a suit.

  269. @sudden death
    @Sean

    If this will be persistent issue, no much use of that hypothetical all around defense by RF:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fvw0BNjXoAI7Paw.png


    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1656256203432013824

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Interesting. If the RF forces while being in total disarray keep advancing in Bahmut/Artemovsk, Avdeevka, Mariinka, Kurakhovo, and elsewhere, what does it tell us about the Ukrainian army? Aren’t you afraid of being placed on Ukie Mirotvorets site?

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    Probably should ask those questions both from RF journo Kashevarova and Prigozhin, whom were whining about succesful local counterattacking by UA forces;)

    At the same time Earth is also calling you back from the planet of Rosy Ponies as there is magic ability these days down there too - watching the drone video about the mentioned battle on the net!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  270. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Interesting. If the RF forces while being in total disarray keep advancing in Bahmut/Artemovsk, Avdeevka, Mariinka, Kurakhovo, and elsewhere, what does it tell us about the Ukrainian army? Aren’t you afraid of being placed on Ukie Mirotvorets site?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Probably should ask those questions both from RF journo Kashevarova and Prigozhin, whom were whining about succesful local counterattacking by UA forces;)

    At the same time Earth is also calling you back from the planet of Rosy Ponies as there is magic ability these days down there too – watching the drone video about the mentioned battle on the net!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    watching the drone video about the mentioned battle
     
    Yea, sure. That video does not show what happened next, though.

    Reminds me of a Russian joke about the cat telling how he fell from the third story window: I flew very well, but the landing wasn’t as good.

    Replies: @sudden death

  271. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    {D]ragon’s teeth in Crimea might be a sign that this isn’t going so well
     
    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) "There are several distinct layers or defensive zones. Zone 1: first 3-4km from the RuFLOT is the forward security zone consisting of individual squad or platoon outposts and individual company strongpoints. Zone 2: first defensive line, 2-3km deep. Company trenches and strongpoints arranged along key terrain features in continuous line. ... Zone 3: 4-5km deep zone with reserve- and possible decoy positions. This zone is also where majority of the local Russian artillery and mechanized reserves will be maneuvering behind the first defense line. Multiple shelter areas for vehicles and equipment observed. Zone 4: Prepared main defensive line. Massive multilayered trench lines with anti-tank ditches and dragons’ teeth obstacles. Extensive minefields are likely. These fortifications form nearly uniformly continuous defensive belt across the front. Built 3-4km deep. Zone 5: Reserve and fallback positions behind the main defensive line (zone 3). Zone 6: Town ... and the surrounding AT-ditch and strongpoints form the last fallback and reserve position on this sector prepared for all-around defense."


    Having a circular anti tank ditch, they are not gong to to flee just because a photo of a Ukrainian flag in a town behind them appears on social media, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ5hrx4V6-Q So what if the Ukrainian' counter' offensive succeeds?

    .Prominent media voices such as journalist Anne Applebaum and retired Lieutenant General Ben Hodges have consistently advocated for the retaking of Crimea, arguing that such a move would effectively end the war. This may or may not be true, but the risks of nuclear escalation do not today warrant such an aggressive strategy. The Biden administration’s unwillingness to provide Ukraine long-range missiles such as those used in last fall’s counteroffensive seems to confirm this hesitancy.
     

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones.

    Some interesting details but I think most of it is useless.

    Mines can slow armored offenses but not trenches. Even the Nazis stopped building them at the end of WW2. They switched to the tactic of hiding artillery and letting the enemy enter an area without knowing if it is defended. Tear up the armor with artillery and leave the troops vulnerable. The Nazis could have bled the Soviets into an armistice if they played smart defensive battles after Stalingrad. Hitler however wanted an offensive for the sake of morale and made the mistake of attacking Kursk even though it was heavily defended.

    I don’t see the Ukrainians making the same mistake of Kursk. They can see the defenses on satellite and can prepare for them. They’re not going to drive gun ho into minefields and artillery. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut. That is what Russian State TV and Putin’s fans keep telling themselves. Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater. As if Putin is playing some grand game where it only appears that they are unable to take Bakhmut. Putin is not a master strategist and doesn’t use the internet. As I have pointed out many times he hasn’t even read about the lessons from WW1 trench warfare. He has an extremely arrogant belief that the Russians will somehow win in the end and he doesn’t have to educate himself to such things.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Gung Ho simply means Teamwork in Chinese.

    Did you mean they won’t charge Pell Mell or Suicidally?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.
     
    Don't know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a "moronic granpa". It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut.
     

    You seem to be anticipating no huge territorial gains and a mainly psychological warfare benefit sapping the Russian will to continue. Might one inquire what happens if the Kremlin is under pressure of time and driven into a desperate frame of mind. Supposing the Ukrainians attain total success and the Russian army runs away; why would Putin not use nuclear weapons in that situation? The weakness of the Russian conventional forces thus become an asset to the Kremlin, inasmuch as America will be wary of giving Ukraine too much help. Yet, Ukraine might still break the Russians anyway. Something like that on the small scale seems to have happened in Bakhmut in the last few days where the Russian army could not even hold the territory that Wagner had won.

    {L]essons from WW1 trench warfare
     

    In offence Russia only effective formation (Wagner) seems to have combined the lesson taken by the British in WW1 (artillery) and the lesson taken by the Germans ('operational considerations had to be subordinated to tactical ones') a la Stoßtruppen), and added a dash of the Soviet WW2 practice of using expendible Gulag prisoners.

    The Russian army proper's defensive set up is rather like late WW1 German positions with a lose screen of strongpoints out in front of the actual continuous line that gets more and more dense the deeper the attacker goes.

  272. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones.

    Some interesting details but I think most of it is useless.

    Mines can slow armored offenses but not trenches. Even the Nazis stopped building them at the end of WW2. They switched to the tactic of hiding artillery and letting the enemy enter an area without knowing if it is defended. Tear up the armor with artillery and leave the troops vulnerable. The Nazis could have bled the Soviets into an armistice if they played smart defensive battles after Stalingrad. Hitler however wanted an offensive for the sake of morale and made the mistake of attacking Kursk even though it was heavily defended.

    I don't see the Ukrainians making the same mistake of Kursk. They can see the defenses on satellite and can prepare for them. They're not going to drive gun ho into minefields and artillery. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut. That is what Russian State TV and Putin's fans keep telling themselves. Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater. As if Putin is playing some grand game where it only appears that they are unable to take Bakhmut. Putin is not a master strategist and doesn't use the internet. As I have pointed out many times he hasn't even read about the lessons from WW1 trench warfare. He has an extremely arrogant belief that the Russians will somehow win in the end and he doesn't have to educate himself to such things.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @Sean

    Gung Ho simply means Teamwork in Chinese.

    Did you mean they won’t charge Pell Mell or Suicidally?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Gung Ho simply means Teamwork in Chinese.

    That's nice but in English it has a different definition:

    extremely or overly zealous or enthusiastic
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gung%20ho

  273. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones.

    Some interesting details but I think most of it is useless.

    Mines can slow armored offenses but not trenches. Even the Nazis stopped building them at the end of WW2. They switched to the tactic of hiding artillery and letting the enemy enter an area without knowing if it is defended. Tear up the armor with artillery and leave the troops vulnerable. The Nazis could have bled the Soviets into an armistice if they played smart defensive battles after Stalingrad. Hitler however wanted an offensive for the sake of morale and made the mistake of attacking Kursk even though it was heavily defended.

    I don't see the Ukrainians making the same mistake of Kursk. They can see the defenses on satellite and can prepare for them. They're not going to drive gun ho into minefields and artillery. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut. That is what Russian State TV and Putin's fans keep telling themselves. Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater. As if Putin is playing some grand game where it only appears that they are unable to take Bakhmut. Putin is not a master strategist and doesn't use the internet. As I have pointed out many times he hasn't even read about the lessons from WW1 trench warfare. He has an extremely arrogant belief that the Russians will somehow win in the end and he doesn't have to educate himself to such things.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @Sean

    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.

    Don’t know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a “moronic granpa”. It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW


    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.
     
    Don’t know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a “moronic granpa”. It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.

    Here is the actual post:
    https://sonar21.com/evgeny-prigozhin-truth-teller-mad-man-or-maskirovka/

    I don't buy his theory that it is all a show. It is well argued but I think he is wrong.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don't know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    Seems to be the case. I don't see how Wagner could stop even a dozen tanks when the Russian air force has been a no show. Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.

    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides. He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism. Would give him a good excuse to get out.

    It's an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.

    Replies: @LatW

  274. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    Probably should ask those questions both from RF journo Kashevarova and Prigozhin, whom were whining about succesful local counterattacking by UA forces;)

    At the same time Earth is also calling you back from the planet of Rosy Ponies as there is magic ability these days down there too - watching the drone video about the mentioned battle on the net!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    watching the drone video about the mentioned battle

    Yea, sure. That video does not show what happened next, though.

    Reminds me of a Russian joke about the cat telling how he fell from the third story window: I flew very well, but the landing wasn’t as good.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    That video does not show what happened next, though.
     
    And what is the problem of revealing what happened next if you know it? This question isn't sarcastic btw, cause might be indeed out of the loop sometimes.

    The last thing heard was Prigozhin figuratively shedding tears 2 days ago in a video about RF army losing "strategic bridgehead" in the Bakhmut flank to UA army, where previously it took half thousand dead wagnerites to achieve the hold. Day ago he told about flanks continuing "to burst out at the seams" from UA pressure.

    Approximately it looked like this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/FHGhrNYH/Bahmut-flank.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  275. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    My understanding is that Russian lines are built primarily for the purpose of funneling the Ukrainians to where the Russians can meet them head on. If the offensive ever gets launched, I think that Russia will win but no result would surprise me.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Greasy William

    There will be no offensive, indefinitely postponed.

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/05/08/dreizin-publishes-complete-ukrainian-battle-plan-for-entire-zaporozhie-front/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  276. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Well, AK is back to his futurist / transhumanist roots.

    I agree with him that the Technosphere and its AI development will have much more bearing on the future of life than the archaic and idiotic tribal Slav infighting in the Wild Field and the Donbas.

    I remember arguing humorously with Daniel Chieh about the Butlerian Jihad being required for us to survive the Technosphere.

    Basically, what AK wrote is that a future Artificial Super Intelligence could well create evolution as a means to bootstrap the inert material world to efficient technological accelerationism once the Technosphere comes into full functionality.

    He compares this dialectics it to a controlled opposition similar to late Zoroastrianism and/or the Bogomil heresy theological pattern of thought.

    He might be right. He was always good discussing these topics.

    Nothing really new here, except for the Manichean accelerationist outlook (which is indeed interesting), Vernadsky had fleshed out the evolution of the lithosphere towards the noosphere in the early around a century ago.

    And yeah, we are not many to be interested in these topics...

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2ss6gomAJdqjwdSCy/what-s-the-deal-with-effective-accelerationalism-e-acc

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    I’m currently reading Noah Yuval Harari’s Homo Deus which is actually a good read. He’s a smart guy and like AK clearly believes that AI and genetic engineering will create superhumans who will make normal humans obsolete. Harari seems to think that if you miss the bus on this one you will be rendered forever extraneous.

    Maybe he’s right and perhaps in a few more years this will be somewhat true for the rich at any rate.

    Thus far the track record has been that all the tech has just made people even more retarded than they already were, so I’m sticking to my Luddite guns. My skepticism has been well placed so far.

    Some music for my place in the supposed AI revolution…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Barbarossa

    Polish band? Quite good... beautiful vocal. Thanks for posting. Some parts vaguely remind me of Opeth, just much lighter.

    @sudden death, this sounds like something you might like.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Very competent musicianship with wisps of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater thrown in for good measure. The lead singer betrays no Polishness in his enunciation, perhaps a second generationer born in the US?

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    The music is good although their style is too diverse for my taste, as if they tries to blend all the different musical influences into one.

    When it comes to representing the future (failure of) merging of mankind and the technosphere, I believe none has been as good as Voivod.

    https://youtu.be/bauQtbnv7YA

  277. I don’t see much chance of the current hostilities in Israel turning into a larger war. There hasn’t been a large scale war in the region since 2014 primarily because such a conflict would be in the interest of neither side.

    The Lebanese want to destroy Israel, but like all Arabs, they don’t think *their* state should be the one to do it. And the Lebanese are an especially cowardly lot. Hezbollah is extremely mindful of Lebanese public opinion and I can’t see them launching a major operation against Israel unless they are sure said operation would end Israel’s existence.

    Hamas likewise prefers to only use it’s military strength when it wants specific concessions.

    Iran has always said that it is playing the long game against Israel: the idea is to tighten thee noose around Israel both militarily and diplomatically and gradually grind Israel down, although the Iranians presumably do anticipate some sort of final battle that will definitely end the conflict. The Iranian strategy has been very successful so far, certainly vastly more successful than I anticipated and I expect the IDF is equally surprised with how badly Israel’s strategic position has deteriorated over the past several years. I mean, the Iranians aren’t exactly a bunch of geniuses so for Israel to get so badly outplayed by what is essentially a 3rd world country still living in the middle ages is pretty pathetic.

    Right now, Hezbollah and Hamas seem content to let Islamic Jihad bombard Israel with rockets, knowing that as long as they (Hezbollah and Hamas) don’t join in themselves that they are immune from retaliation. Israel greatly fears a full scale conflict with Hezbollah and Hamas because it has no prospect of defeating either.

    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel’s final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran’s clients Sudan and Libya!).

    I don’t think it’s imminent though because I can’t imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved. Also, Putin isn’t much of an antisemite and I can’t see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin’s successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    Why do you like niggers?

    Also Muslims hate dogs due to Zoroastrians. Many Persian Sufis have dogs guarding their tombs.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @RadicalCenter

    , @S
    @Greasy William


    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel’s final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran’s clients Sudan and Libya!).
     
    I've posted before about two books, The New Rome published in the United States in 1853, and now effectively blacklisted globally, and The Third Empire published in Russia in 2006, each telling their country of publication that there will be a future world war between the US and Russia which they will prevail in.

    I've hypothesized that these two books may have constituted 'a suggestion' being placed in their respective publics' minds.

    Full disclosure, Theodore Poesche and Charles Goepp, the two authors of the mid 19th century The New Rome, which tells of future victory over Russia by the United States, were two German gentiles. Mikhail Yuryev, the author of The Third Empire, which tells of a future victory by Russia over the United States, was a Russian Jew.


    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n16/mode/1up?view=theater

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    I don’t think it’s imminent though because I can’t imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved.
     
    The map at the link above of Russia's projected 'Third Empire' includes the present day state of Israel.

    Also, Putin isn’t much of an antisemite and I can’t see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin’s successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.
     
    Prigozhin with his 'Wagnerites' (collectively named after Hitler's personal favorite) may be just the man, though how much of a real 'Nazi!'TM ('crypto', or, otherwise) he potentially actually is or can be, considering Prigozhin's Jewish background, is unknown.

    Just to be sure the point wasn't missed, ie 'that they all be 'Nazis!'TM it may have been preferred to call the Wagnerites the 'Adolf Hitler Division', but that would have been too blunt, and self defeating.

    'Wagner' and 'Wagnerites' has just the right subtlety about it, and gets the point across just fine. :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

  278. @Greasy William

    That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.
     
    My understanding is that Russian lines are built primarily for the purpose of funneling the Ukrainians to where the Russians can meet them head on. If the offensive ever gets launched, I think that Russia will win but no result would surprise me.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    There will be no offensive, indefinitely postponed.
     
    There are still three weeks left for the Spring offensive. If it does not happen in the Spring, there are three months for the Summer offensive. If it does not happen in the Summer, there are three months for the Fall offensive. If it does not happen in the Fall… You get the drift.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  279. @songbird
    @S

    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp's obviously ambiguous character.


    The Black Swan seemed okay
     
    (spoiler) Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. - at least it seemed improbable to me.

    BTW, 'Blood' from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin - though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.

    Replies: @S, @LondonBob

    Depp based the character on Keith Richards, not sure Depp can pull off masculine.

    Well suited to his Fast Show cameo.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LondonBob

    One of the things I found off-putting about Depp's character was the heavy use of kohl. He supposedly said that he based it on nomads like the Tuareg, with his character being kind of sunstruck and looney. Though I guess he probably took it from Keith Richards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  280. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm currently reading Noah Yuval Harari's Homo Deus which is actually a good read. He's a smart guy and like AK clearly believes that AI and genetic engineering will create superhumans who will make normal humans obsolete. Harari seems to think that if you miss the bus on this one you will be rendered forever extraneous.

    Maybe he's right and perhaps in a few more years this will be somewhat true for the rich at any rate.

    Thus far the track record has been that all the tech has just made people even more retarded than they already were, so I'm sticking to my Luddite guns. My skepticism has been well placed so far.

    Some music for my place in the supposed AI revolution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nhZxzJAkY

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

    Polish band? Quite good… beautiful vocal. Thanks for posting. Some parts vaguely remind me of Opeth, just much lighter.

    , this sounds like something you might like.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @LatW

    Yep, Riverside is Polish. They are quite good. I do like much of Opeth's stuff too, but they are really the only band with any growling that I care for.

    Here is another by Anathema that you may like if you didn't mind Riverside .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1LZxtFNM-8


    And a couple by The Pineapple Thief. They have some really good music videos. And their drummer is Gavin Harrison who is just so exceptional, not that non-drummers care about that so much!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O32DMyXN-mI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBdrXo4Nw0

    Replies: @LatW

  281. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Gung Ho simply means Teamwork in Chinese.

    Did you mean they won’t charge Pell Mell or Suicidally?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Gung Ho simply means Teamwork in Chinese.

    That’s nice but in English it has a different definition:

    extremely or overly zealous or enthusiastic
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gung%20ho

  282. Sean says:
    @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Those are the least of it. Russian defenses have been constructed along dominant heights and ridgelines. Defenses have been established at depth of 25-30km from Russian forward line of friendly troops (FLOT) “There are several distinct layers or defensive zones.

    Some interesting details but I think most of it is useless.

    Mines can slow armored offenses but not trenches. Even the Nazis stopped building them at the end of WW2. They switched to the tactic of hiding artillery and letting the enemy enter an area without knowing if it is defended. Tear up the armor with artillery and leave the troops vulnerable. The Nazis could have bled the Soviets into an armistice if they played smart defensive battles after Stalingrad. Hitler however wanted an offensive for the sake of morale and made the mistake of attacking Kursk even though it was heavily defended.

    I don't see the Ukrainians making the same mistake of Kursk. They can see the defenses on satellite and can prepare for them. They're not going to drive gun ho into minefields and artillery. That is the problem with giant defensive lines. It allows the enemy to plan around them.

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut. That is what Russian State TV and Putin's fans keep telling themselves. Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater. As if Putin is playing some grand game where it only appears that they are unable to take Bakhmut. Putin is not a master strategist and doesn't use the internet. As I have pointed out many times he hasn't even read about the lessons from WW1 trench warfare. He has an extremely arrogant belief that the Russians will somehow win in the end and he doesn't have to educate himself to such things.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @Sean

    So what if the Ukrainian’ counter’ offensive succeeds?

    It will crush any hope that Russia is intentionally playing a defensive game with Bakhmut.

    You seem to be anticipating no huge territorial gains and a mainly psychological warfare benefit sapping the Russian will to continue. Might one inquire what happens if the Kremlin is under pressure of time and driven into a desperate frame of mind. Supposing the Ukrainians attain total success and the Russian army runs away; why would Putin not use nuclear weapons in that situation? The weakness of the Russian conventional forces thus become an asset to the Kremlin, inasmuch as America will be wary of giving Ukraine too much help. Yet, Ukraine might still break the Russians anyway. Something like that on the small scale seems to have happened in Bakhmut in the last few days where the Russian army could not even hold the territory that Wagner had won.

    {L]essons from WW1 trench warfare

    In offence Russia only effective formation (Wagner) seems to have combined the lesson taken by the British in WW1 (artillery) and the lesson taken by the Germans (‘operational considerations had to be subordinated to tactical ones’) a la Stoßtruppen), and added a dash of the Soviet WW2 practice of using expendible Gulag prisoners.

    The Russian army proper’s defensive set up is rather like late WW1 German positions with a lose screen of strongpoints out in front of the actual continuous line that gets more and more dense the deeper the attacker goes.

  283. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.
     
    Don't know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a "moronic granpa". It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.

    Don’t know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a “moronic granpa”. It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.

    Here is the actual post:
    https://sonar21.com/evgeny-prigozhin-truth-teller-mad-man-or-maskirovka/

    I don’t buy his theory that it is all a show. It is well argued but I think he is wrong.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don’t know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    Seems to be the case. I don’t see how Wagner could stop even a dozen tanks when the Russian air force has been a no show. Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.

    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides. He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism. Would give him a good excuse to get out.

    It’s an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.
     
    Hm, I'd have to read what he said. These things can be read differently, of course, and it's good to have different perspectives, but if he worked for the CIA, he should be more knowledgable. Maybe he didn't specialize in EE. One must know Russian (and preferably Ukrainian) to have a full grasp of this, because things are moving rather fast now.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don’t know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.
     
    He is reckless and bold, and he is running out of moves. Your guesses are good. Yesterday he openly called Putin a "mudak" ("dumbass") and a "grandpa" (ded). That is very risky.

    Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.
     
    If Putin wants to get rid of him eventually, he could leave him there to be "hirmars'ed". But I'm not sure Putin is fully in charge any longer.

    Who is behind Prigozhin? I don't know, I think it is the FSB faction. Someone is also probably trying to regulate the "Z patriots".


    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides.
     
    Good thinking. Prigozhin has been kissing up to the Ukrainians as well, giving them compliments about how good they are.

    He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism.
     
    I think he is mostly interested in his career, funds, reputation. For him it is a gesheft.

    But he does throw in a lot of patriotic language, so he knows what buttons to push.

    By the way, Kadyrov started talking smack to him. He told him we need to deal "po ponyatiyam". That's kind of rough language to indicate some dominance. "My people will call you and let you know what to do," he said (re: transfering Bakhmut).


    It’s an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.
     
    The Wagner core have a decent pay check, I believe, and they are international criminals, so for them the only place to go would be some place in Africa. Vulnerability in this case is an understatement - nothing can replace an efficient well run regular army especially during a campaign of this scale. These merc groups can be used to plug in holes, but not win a war of this kind when they are going against the whole nation (plus allies).

    By the way, some Russians are still coming onto Ukraine's side, normal volunteers, not mercs (although they will be taken care of at least at the basic level). It is very hard for them to come over logistically. In some cases, they cannot even move out of Russia.

    Replies: @Sean

  284. @LondonBob
    @Greasy William

    There will be no offensive, indefinitely postponed.

    https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/05/08/dreizin-publishes-complete-ukrainian-battle-plan-for-entire-zaporozhie-front/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    There will be no offensive, indefinitely postponed.

    There are still three weeks left for the Spring offensive. If it does not happen in the Spring, there are three months for the Summer offensive. If it does not happen in the Summer, there are three months for the Fall offensive. If it does not happen in the Fall… You get the drift.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    If Bakhmut falls and the Ukrainian counter attack to retake Bakhmut fails, there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

  285. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    There will be no offensive, indefinitely postponed.
     
    There are still three weeks left for the Spring offensive. If it does not happen in the Spring, there are three months for the Summer offensive. If it does not happen in the Summer, there are three months for the Fall offensive. If it does not happen in the Fall… You get the drift.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    If Bakhmut falls and the Ukrainian counter attack to retake Bakhmut fails, there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    Taking Bakhmut would be the easy part. It's not that large of a city and is mostly in ruins. They could easily steam through it with a dozen tanks and Bradleys.

    The real problem is that Ukraine is a huge country and any offensive comes with the risk of spreading their forces thin. Makes sense to go after the Ukrainian majority areas first and also the power plants. But they also might try going straight East to take Luhansk.

    I'm not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense. I would try to let the Prigozhin situation cook a bit. The guy seems close to cracking. If the enemy has a command division then you want to encourage it.

    But the Ukrainians are itching to go and I get it. I'd rather take the risk of an offense than sit in a trench.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army
     
    Didn’t your experience teach you by now that in a “democracy” the rulers don’t give a hoot what the people want? People’s wishes only matter in a “dictatorship”.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  286. A123 says: • Website

    Palestinian Jews Win / Iran Loses (1)

    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on Tuesday canceled Rep. Rashida Tlaib’s antisemitic event at the U.S. Capitol scheduled for Wednesday and will host a “bipartisan discussion to honor the 75th anniversary of the US-Israel relationship” in its place.

    Tlaib was scheduled to headline the anti-Israel event with several organizations that support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, an anti-Semitic effort to wage economic war on Israel. They include Jewish Voice for Peace, a “radical anti-Israel activist group” that pushes the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement and has come under fire for glorifying Palestinian terrorism. Other organizers include Emgage Action, another BDS supporter that claims Israel is an “apartheid state,” and Americans for Justice in Palestine Action, an advocacy group that claims Jewish money is infecting politics.

    Why does Iran keep pushing the genocidal BDS movement? It never works. And, it causes them to lose face every time they fail.
    ___

    Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] is also doing amazingly poorly: (2)

    Israel killed three senior commanders of the Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorist group in targeted airstrikes early Tuesday.

    It identified them as Khalil Bahtini, the Islamic Jihad commander for northern Gaza Strip; Tareq Izzeldeen, the group’s intermediary between its Gaza and West Bank members; and Jehad Ghanam, the secretary of the Islamic Jihad’s military council.

    The bombings came days after Gazan terrorists led by Islamic Jihad fired 104 rockets toward Israel in response to the death of an alleged senior member of the group who had been on hunger strike in Israeli prison, the Times of Israel reports.

    • One PIJ member committed suicide.
    • Three more PIJ commanders killed by counter fire.
    • Hundreds of Iranian rockets launched. Zero casualties reported.

    Could Khamenei look any more impotent & pathetic?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/09/kevin-mccarthy-cancels-rashida-tlaib-antisemitic-event-u-s-capitol/

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/05/09/israel-kills-three-islamic-jihad-terrorist-commanders-in-strikes-on-gaza/

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123

    ADDENDUM -- Here are some statistics on Iran's pathetic rocket launch at Palestinian Jews.

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhII0X5sH-FbA6MbjVJdJwIM59XSE4j5DHs-Hn4_PRSvaSxI47pRFes0G9yTp95vJ6b2ue_8RtPghukGNaTrVvRDqZVuxc3xXgTmPjfHQyWA4Rh-GrzgcbMyTa8KYBr1tgu8fOmBP9nacjNNKTpqExcdRGnrwP7iejb1PuCVjrOqVowWSzDxg/s1080/FvxWnk3WAAAWsre.jpg

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvxU2zWWAAIcV5b.png
     

    Iran did more damage to the Muslim colony in Gaza versus what they inflicted on indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    Why do Iranian rockets fall short 30% of the time?

    37 Intercepts stopped all of the damage from over 350 rockets. That means ~90% of Iranian ordinance missed so badly that it did not need to be engaged by Jewish defense systems like Iron Dome.

    Khamenei is clearly dysfunctional. When will the Iranian people replace this travesty?

    PEACE 😇

    , @RadicalCenter
    @A123

    You people are accomplishing the difficult task of making me root for the Iranians.

  287. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    If Bakhmut falls and the Ukrainian counter attack to retake Bakhmut fails, there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Taking Bakhmut would be the easy part. It’s not that large of a city and is mostly in ruins. They could easily steam through it with a dozen tanks and Bradleys.

    The real problem is that Ukraine is a huge country and any offensive comes with the risk of spreading their forces thin. Makes sense to go after the Ukrainian majority areas first and also the power plants. But they also might try going straight East to take Luhansk.

    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense. I would try to let the Prigozhin situation cook a bit. The guy seems close to cracking. If the enemy has a command division then you want to encourage it.

    But the Ukrainians are itching to go and I get it. I’d rather take the risk of an offense than sit in a trench.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.
     
    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a "shock and awe" but maybe. They need air cover. I wonder if Zaluzhniy will show any surprises, there is a lot of guessing about that.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  288. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @LatW


    Larry C Johnson is convinced that the Prigozhen spat is all Kabuki theater.
     
    Don’t know who Larry Johnson is, but yesterday Prigozhin openly called Putin a “moronic granpa”. It may be a show, but it is a realistic one.

    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.

    Here is the actual post:
    https://sonar21.com/evgeny-prigozhin-truth-teller-mad-man-or-maskirovka/

    I don't buy his theory that it is all a show. It is well argued but I think he is wrong.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don't know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.

    Evacuation is taking place in the Zaporizhzhia region, and most likely Wagner will have to leave Bakhmut as well (or be ground up).

    Seems to be the case. I don't see how Wagner could stop even a dozen tanks when the Russian air force has been a no show. Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.

    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides. He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism. Would give him a good excuse to get out.

    It's an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.

    Replies: @LatW

    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.

    Hm, I’d have to read what he said. These things can be read differently, of course, and it’s good to have different perspectives, but if he worked for the CIA, he should be more knowledgable. Maybe he didn’t specialize in EE. One must know Russian (and preferably Ukrainian) to have a full grasp of this, because things are moving rather fast now.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don’t know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.

    He is reckless and bold, and he is running out of moves. Your guesses are good. Yesterday he openly called Putin a “mudak” (“dumbass”) and a “grandpa” (ded). That is very risky.

    Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.

    If Putin wants to get rid of him eventually, he could leave him there to be “hirmars’ed”. But I’m not sure Putin is fully in charge any longer.

    Who is behind Prigozhin? I don’t know, I think it is the FSB faction. Someone is also probably trying to regulate the “Z patriots”.

    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides.

    Good thinking. Prigozhin has been kissing up to the Ukrainians as well, giving them compliments about how good they are.

    He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism.

    I think he is mostly interested in his career, funds, reputation. For him it is a gesheft.

    But he does throw in a lot of patriotic language, so he knows what buttons to push.

    By the way, Kadyrov started talking smack to him. He told him we need to deal “po ponyatiyam“. That’s kind of rough language to indicate some dominance. “My people will call you and let you know what to do,” he said (re: transfering Bakhmut).

    It’s an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.

    The Wagner core have a decent pay check, I believe, and they are international criminals, so for them the only place to go would be some place in Africa. Vulnerability in this case is an understatement – nothing can replace an efficient well run regular army especially during a campaign of this scale. These merc groups can be used to plug in holes, but not win a war of this kind when they are going against the whole nation (plus allies).

    By the way, some Russians are still coming onto Ukraine’s side, normal volunteers, not mercs (although they will be taken care of at least at the basic level). It is very hard for them to come over logistically. In some cases, they cannot even move out of Russia.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW


    Yesterday he openly called Putin a “mudak” (“dumbass”) and a “grandpa” (ded).
     
    Bullshit!
  289. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    If Bakhmut falls and the Ukrainian counter attack to retake Bakhmut fails, there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army

    Didn’t your experience teach you by now that in a “democracy” the rulers don’t give a hoot what the people want? People’s wishes only matter in a “dictatorship”.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Biden's staffers are all young (or youngish) libtards who hate Russia with a passion and they will want to see results.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  290. @songbird
    @Coconuts


    The dog used to be recognised as more Aryan in character, showing more solidarity and collectivist personality
     
    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.

    I've long been fascinated by the idea that dogs have influenced human evolution. Most extreme theory seems to be that they caused the Neolithic evolution, made the domestication of other animals and plants possible, but I suspect that one could even go further than that, and suggest that they caused the megafauna to go extinct, which necessitated an increasing toolkit and increasing intelligence to hunt and trap smaller game. Of course, one flaw in this is that the extinctions of Australian megafauna seem to have preceded the arrival of dogs, but they may have been less formidable animals.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic - they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.

    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It’s interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.

    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.

    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog’s, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs
     
    Westerners tend to be ignorant of this fact, but dogs are considered unclean in Islam. When Americans searched places in Iraq using dogs, people had to burn the clothes that the dogs sniffed. However, the US did not lose much because of this, as most Iraqis hated Americans, anyway.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @John Johnson
    @Coconuts

    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It’s interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    Well of course Pakis and Bangles dislike the presence of dogs. They hate them.

    Muhammed declared them to be a dirty animal. Muslims are only allowed to keep working dogs and they have to stay outside. Muhammed in fact believed that black dogs were the worst:
    The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them. Hadith 2839

    I scarcely remember a theory whereby he had to deal with them in war. As in the enemy was using war dogs against his soldiers.

    Anyone know the reference or which military he would have been fighting at the time?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @Coconuts

    It's rather interesting that the Ancient Egyptians worshiped certain types of canines. This sounds very white in many respects.

    https://www.thecollector.com/dogs-in-ancient-egypt/


    a civilized folk slandered by jewish scribblers, liars and swindlers.

    "Like their modern counterparts [in most European societies], dogs in ancient Egypt were considered “man’s best friend”. This is unsurprising as the dog was the first domesticated animal, living by man’s side since ca. 23,000 BCE. The ancient Egyptians recognized their versatile role, using the faithful canine as a watchdog, a helper during the hunt, or as a household pet. The human-dog bond extended beyond this world into the afterlife."

    All dogs go to heaven.

    "Mummified dogs were buried with their owners or sometimes in their own coffins. In addition, dogs occupied an important place in ancient Egyptian religion. The animal was associated with Anubis, the god of death, mummification, and the afterlife, usually depicted as a canine or a man with a canine head."


    buried with the family dog. That's mighty European sounding. Semitic attitudes to dogs are quite alien to me, but I recognize these Egyptians. I buried my dog near/under an apple tree on my father's property way back when.

    , @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    In many countries, dogs vs cat ownership shows the level of the Americanization and the embourgeoisement of the urban population.

    The example is in the Middle East. The city with the highest dog ownership per capita in the world is Tel Aviv, which also probably has some of the most of the LGBT flags.
    https://www.booking.com/articles/the-worlds-7-most-dog-friendly-cities.html#:~:text=With%20one%20dog%20for%20every,one%20park%20per%20square%20kilometre

    There it is like the LGBT flags and the other symbols of the Western culture. It's the wealthy liberals.

    In Russia, there is also a taste of Westernization with dogs as a status for the middle class people, especially wealthy women like the dogs, like a German automobile. While the majority of average people have cats.

    But the actual working dogs, which are in the countryside with farmers? They are used as a cheap alarm system. They are tied with strings to the expensive equipment in the farm. They walk in a small circle all day following the string. Dogs in the countryside are living as a kind of serf.

    Farmers or peasants are really brutal with the dogs, from what I could see personally. They have utilitarian position that doesn't respect the animal rights. Wealthy and liberal city people, with high Westernization level are the people who are sentimentalizing the dogs and giving them a privileged life, including all the expensive Western brands for dog food.

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts

    It's kind of funny, when you go all the way North, and that seems to be the extremis of the usefulness of dogs. Huskies can run 40 miles in day or 100 miles if they are in training. Of course, they have peculiar metabolic adaptations.

    Probably their dogs was the reason the Thule were able to destroy the Dorset and take over their territory.

    BTW, I'm not entirely convinced of the idea that dogs led to more sympathetic people. For one thing, in the past, I think it was typical to kill many puppies for population control.


    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed?
     
    I've always conceived of Anubis as a jackal, but I'm not entirely sure about it.

    Curiously, both cats and dogs seem to be banned from many public spaces in Saudi.
  291. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    Taking Bakhmut would be the easy part. It's not that large of a city and is mostly in ruins. They could easily steam through it with a dozen tanks and Bradleys.

    The real problem is that Ukraine is a huge country and any offensive comes with the risk of spreading their forces thin. Makes sense to go after the Ukrainian majority areas first and also the power plants. But they also might try going straight East to take Luhansk.

    I'm not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense. I would try to let the Prigozhin situation cook a bit. The guy seems close to cracking. If the enemy has a command division then you want to encourage it.

    But the Ukrainians are itching to go and I get it. I'd rather take the risk of an offense than sit in a trench.

    Replies: @LatW

    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.

    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a “shock and awe” but maybe. They need air cover. I wonder if Zaluzhniy will show any surprises, there is a lot of guessing about that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW


    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.
     
    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a “shock and awe” but maybe.

    That is what I also concluded would be the better strategy. They shouldn't even announce that an offensive is happening. Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes. I think they should also make extensive use of special forces. They have much better night equipment.

    If they actually round up a giant armored force then Putin will send out every last Mig. It would be too juicy of a target. I also assume the Russians still have plenty of artillery that can deploy mines.

    Replies: @LatW

  292. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

    there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs

    Westerners tend to be ignorant of this fact, but dogs are considered unclean in Islam. When Americans searched places in Iraq using dogs, people had to burn the clothes that the dogs sniffed. However, the US did not lose much because of this, as most Iraqis hated Americans, anyway.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  293. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    there are gonna be a lot of people in the West demanding some offensive action from the Ukrainian army
     
    Didn’t your experience teach you by now that in a “democracy” the rulers don’t give a hoot what the people want? People’s wishes only matter in a “dictatorship”.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Biden’s staffers are all young (or youngish) libtards who hate Russia with a passion and they will want to see results.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Biden’s staffers are all young (or youngish) libtards who hate Russia with a passion and they will want to see results.
     
    Biden’s puppeteers are unlikely to take their wishes into account. They are nothing more than disposable extras in this show. Staffers of a stuffed shirt.
  294. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Biden's staffers are all young (or youngish) libtards who hate Russia with a passion and they will want to see results.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Biden’s staffers are all young (or youngish) libtards who hate Russia with a passion and they will want to see results.

    Biden’s puppeteers are unlikely to take their wishes into account. They are nothing more than disposable extras in this show. Staffers of a stuffed shirt.

  295. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It’s interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    Well of course Pakis and Bangles dislike the presence of dogs. They hate them.

    Muhammed declared them to be a dirty animal. Muslims are only allowed to keep working dogs and they have to stay outside. Muhammed in fact believed that black dogs were the worst:
    The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them. Hadith 2839

    I scarcely remember a theory whereby he had to deal with them in war. As in the enemy was using war dogs against his soldiers.

    Anyone know the reference or which military he would have been fighting at the time?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat — that purchased animal cannot be brought to the temple as a sacrifice. The Book of Kings includes several references to dogs feeding on corpses. And in the Psalms, dogs are described as beasts that maul at human beings.“

    This sort of thing is alien to Europeans.

    “The negative attitude toward dogs persists in the Talmud , which frequently regards dogs as dangerous animals. Though the Talmud in Baba Kama states that it is permissible to keep certain kinds of dogs that are useful for preventing infestations of vermin, it also states that dogs must be kept chained and that those who “raise” (the Hebrew word used here is the same as the one used for rearing children) dogs are cursed. Elsewhere, the tractate records a case in which a woman miscarried because a dog barked at her. One talmudic sage states that the owner of a dog whose bark is capable of triggering a miscarriage causes the presence of God to depart from the Jewish people.”

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    “In the Jewish mystical tradition, dogs are symbols of the demonic. The Zohar, the core text of Jewish mysticism, says that evil in the world is like a vicious dog on a long leash.“

    The Muslims were just cribbing off the Jew playbook. Nothing like this exists in Christian cultures.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  296. @John Johnson
    @Coconuts

    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It’s interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    Well of course Pakis and Bangles dislike the presence of dogs. They hate them.

    Muhammed declared them to be a dirty animal. Muslims are only allowed to keep working dogs and they have to stay outside. Muhammed in fact believed that black dogs were the worst:
    The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them. Hadith 2839

    I scarcely remember a theory whereby he had to deal with them in war. As in the enemy was using war dogs against his soldiers.

    Anyone know the reference or which military he would have been fighting at the time?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat — that purchased animal cannot be brought to the temple as a sacrifice. The Book of Kings includes several references to dogs feeding on corpses. And in the Psalms, dogs are described as beasts that maul at human beings.“

    This sort of thing is alien to Europeans.

    “The negative attitude toward dogs persists in the Talmud , which frequently regards dogs as dangerous animals. Though the Talmud in Baba Kama states that it is permissible to keep certain kinds of dogs that are useful for preventing infestations of vermin, it also states that dogs must be kept chained and that those who “raise” (the Hebrew word used here is the same as the one used for rearing children) dogs are cursed. Elsewhere, the tractate records a case in which a woman miscarried because a dog barked at her. One talmudic sage states that the owner of a dog whose bark is capable of triggering a miscarriage causes the presence of God to depart from the Jewish people.”

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    “In the Jewish mystical tradition, dogs are symbols of the demonic. The Zohar, the core text of Jewish mysticism, says that evil in the world is like a vicious dog on a long leash.“

    The Muslims were just cribbing off the Jew playbook. Nothing like this exists in Christian cultures.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat

    Deuteronomy 23:19 is about interest:
    19 “You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

    Once again you seem to be making stuff up in your head.

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    I'm not Jewish and I own a dog. In fact I've written here at length about dog breeds and what to own for vermin control when you own a farm or large rural property. More Jewish behavior? Writing about farm dogs? Did you add that to your list?

    Would you agree with the following statement and do you think it is from a Jew?
    We have to end this lie that Blacks and Whites are the same people but different colors. It simply isn’t true and the lie doesn’t work for either side. Whites are endlessly blamed for Black pathologies while liberals spend endless time and resources trying to turn Blacks into Swedes. It’s just not productive for anyone. The Bantu were separated from Whites for over 100k years and it is wishful thinking to believe that only superficial differences accrued.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  297. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat — that purchased animal cannot be brought to the temple as a sacrifice. The Book of Kings includes several references to dogs feeding on corpses. And in the Psalms, dogs are described as beasts that maul at human beings.“

    This sort of thing is alien to Europeans.

    “The negative attitude toward dogs persists in the Talmud , which frequently regards dogs as dangerous animals. Though the Talmud in Baba Kama states that it is permissible to keep certain kinds of dogs that are useful for preventing infestations of vermin, it also states that dogs must be kept chained and that those who “raise” (the Hebrew word used here is the same as the one used for rearing children) dogs are cursed. Elsewhere, the tractate records a case in which a woman miscarried because a dog barked at her. One talmudic sage states that the owner of a dog whose bark is capable of triggering a miscarriage causes the presence of God to depart from the Jewish people.”

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    “In the Jewish mystical tradition, dogs are symbols of the demonic. The Zohar, the core text of Jewish mysticism, says that evil in the world is like a vicious dog on a long leash.“

    The Muslims were just cribbing off the Jew playbook. Nothing like this exists in Christian cultures.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat

    Deuteronomy 23:19 is about interest:
    19 “You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

    Once again you seem to be making stuff up in your head.

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    I’m not Jewish and I own a dog. In fact I’ve written here at length about dog breeds and what to own for vermin control when you own a farm or large rural property. More Jewish behavior? Writing about farm dogs? Did you add that to your list?

    Would you agree with the following statement and do you think it is from a Jew?
    We have to end this lie that Blacks and Whites are the same people but different colors. It simply isn’t true and the lie doesn’t work for either side. Whites are endlessly blamed for Black pathologies while liberals spend endless time and resources trying to turn Blacks into Swedes. It’s just not productive for anyone. The Bantu were separated from Whites for over 100k years and it is wishful thinking to believe that only superficial differences accrued.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Odd that you'd attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

  298. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.
     
    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a "shock and awe" but maybe. They need air cover. I wonder if Zaluzhniy will show any surprises, there is a lot of guessing about that.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.

    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a “shock and awe” but maybe.

    That is what I also concluded would be the better strategy. They shouldn’t even announce that an offensive is happening. Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes. I think they should also make extensive use of special forces. They have much better night equipment.

    If they actually round up a giant armored force then Putin will send out every last Mig. It would be too juicy of a target. I also assume the Russians still have plenty of artillery that can deploy mines.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    They shouldn’t even announce that an offensive is happening.
     
    They won't.


    Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes.
     
    Exactly, it looks like that's what's being done around Enerhodar.

    I think they should also make extensive use of special forces.
     
    Of course, that goes without saying. Oh, and by the way... Azov resurfaced, they are operating in that area near Bakhmut from where parts of Wagner group retreated the other day. Their Chief finally resurfaced, that's a very good sign.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  299. @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Depp based the character on Keith Richards, not sure Depp can pull off masculine.

    Well suited to his Fast Show cameo.



    https://youtu.be/LT-b1qXznKI

    Replies: @songbird

    One of the things I found off-putting about Depp’s character was the heavy use of kohl. He supposedly said that he based it on nomads like the Tuareg, with his character being kind of sunstruck and looney. Though I guess he probably took it from Keith Richards.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Depp based his real life on Keith Richards. He apparently missed the part where Richards gave up partying except for public relations around age 30.

    https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/the-lone-ranger.jpg

    This is almost brain damaging media to consume but Lex Fridman did an interview with the therapist who testified on Amber Heard's mental health and that part of the interview (there are chapter headings) is only worth it if you shut down your brain around 8:30 p.m. which I tend to do most days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtOKrG_wK5A&ab_channel=LexFridman

    Replies: @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird

    This is my favorite Johnny Depp movie poster:

     
    https://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/trial-memes2.jpg
     

    That is a real film? Right? If not it should be.

    PEACE 😇

  300. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    In this they are copying from explicitly Jew customs.

    “Dogs are for the most part portrayed negatively in the Old Testament Deuteronomy appears to equate dogs and prostitution, ruling in Deuteronomy 23:19 that if one of these is used to pay for an animal — say, if one offered a dog or sex in exchange for a goat

    Deuteronomy 23:19 is about interest:
    19 “You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.

    Once again you seem to be making stuff up in your head.

    Again, few white women know how touchy you kikes are around Dogs. Niggers Jews and Muslims get frightened by dogs.

    I'm not Jewish and I own a dog. In fact I've written here at length about dog breeds and what to own for vermin control when you own a farm or large rural property. More Jewish behavior? Writing about farm dogs? Did you add that to your list?

    Would you agree with the following statement and do you think it is from a Jew?
    We have to end this lie that Blacks and Whites are the same people but different colors. It simply isn’t true and the lie doesn’t work for either side. Whites are endlessly blamed for Black pathologies while liberals spend endless time and resources trying to turn Blacks into Swedes. It’s just not productive for anyone. The Bantu were separated from Whites for over 100k years and it is wishful thinking to believe that only superficial differences accrued.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Odd that you’d attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Odd that you’d attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    What exactly is odd? Am I your religious studies instructor? Do I need to compare and contrast religions anytime I criticize one?

    Nothing prevents Jews from owning a dog.

    It was news to me that Hasidic Jews tend to not like dogs.

    I'll let you in on a little secret which is that I don't actually know everything about Hasidic Jews and I really don't care.

    When I lived in the city they would creep me out. They have a disconcerting vibe of arrogance and cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Your little dwarf dictator however puts on the Jewish party hat and hugs Hasidic Jews when he visits Israel. I would stay at least 5 feet from them but your little dwarf can't get enough Hasidic huggies:

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/06/000_1H83Y8-e1559731520363.jpg

    Now go back to thinking I'm the Jew while your dwarf dictator boasts of expanding trade relations with Israel and sends love letters to Netanyahu. Here is one from last year:

    Russia very much appreciates your personal long-term contribution to the strengthening of friendly relations between our countries. I hope that the new government under your leadership will continue the policy of developing constructive Russian-Israeli cooperation in all areas for the benefit of our peoples and in the interests of ensuring peace and security in the Middle East.
    - Dwarfy McDictator

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Wokechoke

    All three religi0ns are batshit absurd for the most part. The fact that Christians don't have the strange aversion to dogs of the other two stupid "abrahamic" religions doesn't make christianity any less embarrassing.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  301. @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs
     
    Westerners tend to be ignorant of this fact, but dogs are considered unclean in Islam. When Americans searched places in Iraq using dogs, people had to burn the clothes that the dogs sniffed. However, the US did not lose much because of this, as most Iraqis hated Americans, anyway.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.
     
    It is a well known fact that Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, same as Christianity. Christianity appeared a lot earlier, and evolved farther away from its Judaic roots. Plus, Muhammad apparently had little imagination. Thus, religious Muslims consider prohibited a lot of the same things as religious Jews: eating pork, eating seafood other than fish, etc.

    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever. In this regard Islam is no different.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  302. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

    It’s rather interesting that the Ancient Egyptians worshiped certain types of canines. This sounds very white in many respects.

    https://www.thecollector.com/dogs-in-ancient-egypt/

    a civilized folk slandered by jewish scribblers, liars and swindlers.

    “Like their modern counterparts [in most European societies], dogs in ancient Egypt were considered “man’s best friend”. This is unsurprising as the dog was the first domesticated animal, living by man’s side since ca. 23,000 BCE. The ancient Egyptians recognized their versatile role, using the faithful canine as a watchdog, a helper during the hunt, or as a household pet. The human-dog bond extended beyond this world into the afterlife.”

    All dogs go to heaven.

    “Mummified dogs were buried with their owners or sometimes in their own coffins. In addition, dogs occupied an important place in ancient Egyptian religion. The animal was associated with Anubis, the god of death, mummification, and the afterlife, usually depicted as a canine or a man with a canine head.”

    buried with the family dog. That’s mighty European sounding. Semitic attitudes to dogs are quite alien to me, but I recognize these Egyptians. I buried my dog near/under an apple tree on my father’s property way back when.

  303. @songbird
    @LondonBob

    One of the things I found off-putting about Depp's character was the heavy use of kohl. He supposedly said that he based it on nomads like the Tuareg, with his character being kind of sunstruck and looney. Though I guess he probably took it from Keith Richards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Depp based his real life on Keith Richards. He apparently missed the part where Richards gave up partying except for public relations around age 30.

    This is almost brain damaging media to consume but Lex Fridman did an interview with the therapist who testified on Amber Heard’s mental health and that part of the interview (there are chapter headings) is only worth it if you shut down your brain around 8:30 p.m. which I tend to do most days.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thought it was really bizarre at the time how they let Depp play an Indian in that political climate.

    @A123
    Afraid I just barely grasp the meme, not having seen Aquaman. (Which I assume it alludes to. Don't recognize the chick) I know who Momoa is from Stargate and so I am just able to sense a connection between Depp and him based on the hair.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

  304. @songbird
    @LondonBob

    One of the things I found off-putting about Depp's character was the heavy use of kohl. He supposedly said that he based it on nomads like the Tuareg, with his character being kind of sunstruck and looney. Though I guess he probably took it from Keith Richards.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    This is my favorite Johnny Depp movie poster:

      

    That is a real film? Right? If not it should be.

    PEACE 😇

  305. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    watching the drone video about the mentioned battle
     
    Yea, sure. That video does not show what happened next, though.

    Reminds me of a Russian joke about the cat telling how he fell from the third story window: I flew very well, but the landing wasn’t as good.

    Replies: @sudden death

    That video does not show what happened next, though.

    And what is the problem of revealing what happened next if you know it? This question isn’t sarcastic btw, cause might be indeed out of the loop sometimes.

    The last thing heard was Prigozhin figuratively shedding tears 2 days ago in a video about RF army losing “strategic bridgehead” in the Bakhmut flank to UA army, where previously it took half thousand dead wagnerites to achieve the hold. Day ago he told about flanks continuing “to burst out at the seams” from UA pressure.

    Approximately it looked like this:

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    And what is the problem of revealing what happened next if you know it?
     
    Next Ukrainian troops were stopped, suffering heavy casualties and massive loss of equipment.

    The last thing heard was Prigozhin figuratively shedding tears 2 days ago
    Day ago he told about flanks continuing “to burst out at the seams” from UA pressure.
     
    There are two hypothesis about Prigozhin’s behavior. Mine is that he is a dwarf with a bloated ego, and that is why he is pathologically obsessed with self-aggrandizement. Hence all these videos: he is trying to look a lot more important than he really is. He might be OK against ham-handed cowardly African bandits, but that’s his limit.

    Ukrainian hypothesis is that the whole Prigozhin circus is a Kabuki theater designed to lure Ukies into a trap.

    General rule is that serious people do not make hue a cry about minor movements at the front lines, which have local operational importance that does not even rise to tactical, let alone strategic.
    If Russian leadership payed attention to local movements, there would be rivers of tears and reams of joy, but they are too adult to engage in these childish reactions.

    FYI, Ukrainians tried exact same trick near Avdeevka, trying to retake the positions they recently lost. There they were met by Donbass fighters. Lots of Ukies were killed, a lot of their equipment was damaged, and the survivors ran back with the tail between their legs, having achieved exactly nothing. There was no Wagner anywhere near. W/o any participation of Wagner Donbass fighters liberated more than 90% of Avdeevka and Mariinka, which were fortified by Ukies a lot more than Bahmut/Artemovsk, and Wagner also played no role in that.

    In general, in terms of dedication to victory and hatred of the enemy Donbass fighters beat Wagnerites by about 100:1. Many of them are what old Scandinavians called berserkers. Ukies are mortally afraid of them. They do the fighting, not the PR. They fight for their own country, not for money or early release from prison.

    That’s why I find ridiculous speculations that Prigozhin might end up being a leader of the RF. His caliber is way too small for that.
  306. @Greasy William
    I don't see much chance of the current hostilities in Israel turning into a larger war. There hasn't been a large scale war in the region since 2014 primarily because such a conflict would be in the interest of neither side.

    The Lebanese want to destroy Israel, but like all Arabs, they don't think *their* state should be the one to do it. And the Lebanese are an especially cowardly lot. Hezbollah is extremely mindful of Lebanese public opinion and I can't see them launching a major operation against Israel unless they are sure said operation would end Israel's existence.

    Hamas likewise prefers to only use it's military strength when it wants specific concessions.

    Iran has always said that it is playing the long game against Israel: the idea is to tighten thee noose around Israel both militarily and diplomatically and gradually grind Israel down, although the Iranians presumably do anticipate some sort of final battle that will definitely end the conflict. The Iranian strategy has been very successful so far, certainly vastly more successful than I anticipated and I expect the IDF is equally surprised with how badly Israel's strategic position has deteriorated over the past several years. I mean, the Iranians aren't exactly a bunch of geniuses so for Israel to get so badly outplayed by what is essentially a 3rd world country still living in the middle ages is pretty pathetic.

    Right now, Hezbollah and Hamas seem content to let Islamic Jihad bombard Israel with rockets, knowing that as long as they (Hezbollah and Hamas) don't join in themselves that they are immune from retaliation. Israel greatly fears a full scale conflict with Hezbollah and Hamas because it has no prospect of defeating either.

    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel's final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran's clients Sudan and Libya!).

    I don't think it's imminent though because I can't imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved. Also, Putin isn't much of an antisemite and I can't see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin's successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @S

    Why do you like niggers?

    Also Muslims hate dogs due to Zoroastrians. Many Persian Sufis have dogs guarding their tombs.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    Sounds very likely. Dogs will sit at their Master's grave mourning the loss for some time.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Sher Singh

    Muslims don't have dogs because that raving asshole Mo had a bizarre fear of or disgust with dogs. Period. Like other things that were mere personal preferences or prejudices of this sick fuck, he made it into a religious rule. How convenient.

    Replies: @QCIC

  307. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

    In many countries, dogs vs cat ownership shows the level of the Americanization and the embourgeoisement of the urban population.

    The example is in the Middle East. The city with the highest dog ownership per capita in the world is Tel Aviv, which also probably has some of the most of the LGBT flags.
    https://www.booking.com/articles/the-worlds-7-most-dog-friendly-cities.html#:~:text=With%20one%20dog%20for%20every,one%20park%20per%20square%20kilometre

    There it is like the LGBT flags and the other symbols of the Western culture. It’s the wealthy liberals.

    In Russia, there is also a taste of Westernization with dogs as a status for the middle class people, especially wealthy women like the dogs, like a German automobile. While the majority of average people have cats.

    But the actual working dogs, which are in the countryside with farmers? They are used as a cheap alarm system. They are tied with strings to the expensive equipment in the farm. They walk in a small circle all day following the string. Dogs in the countryside are living as a kind of serf.

    Farmers or peasants are really brutal with the dogs, from what I could see personally. They have utilitarian position that doesn’t respect the animal rights. Wealthy and liberal city people, with high Westernization level are the people who are sentimentalizing the dogs and giving them a privileged life, including all the expensive Western brands for dog food.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry

    In the U.S. -- 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     
    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1387225/images/o-DOG-STATES-facebook.jpg
     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Dmitry

    , @LondonBob
    @Dmitry

    Dog ownership must be highest amongst single, childless women, which explains certain trends.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  308. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    In many countries, dogs vs cat ownership shows the level of the Americanization and the embourgeoisement of the urban population.

    The example is in the Middle East. The city with the highest dog ownership per capita in the world is Tel Aviv, which also probably has some of the most of the LGBT flags.
    https://www.booking.com/articles/the-worlds-7-most-dog-friendly-cities.html#:~:text=With%20one%20dog%20for%20every,one%20park%20per%20square%20kilometre

    There it is like the LGBT flags and the other symbols of the Western culture. It's the wealthy liberals.

    In Russia, there is also a taste of Westernization with dogs as a status for the middle class people, especially wealthy women like the dogs, like a German automobile. While the majority of average people have cats.

    But the actual working dogs, which are in the countryside with farmers? They are used as a cheap alarm system. They are tied with strings to the expensive equipment in the farm. They walk in a small circle all day following the string. Dogs in the countryside are living as a kind of serf.

    Farmers or peasants are really brutal with the dogs, from what I could see personally. They have utilitarian position that doesn't respect the animal rights. Wealthy and liberal city people, with high Westernization level are the people who are sentimentalizing the dogs and giving them a privileged life, including all the expensive Western brands for dog food.

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    In the U.S. — 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     

     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Mormon's appear to be terrible pet owners. Viz Mitt Romney. Lashed his dog to the roof of the family car. Like an Arab or Nignog might be expected to do so.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    That map appears to have been made by a person who does not know how to read a map.

    Replies: @A123

    , @QCIC
    @A123

    I used to spend time in New Mexico and never noticed that many dogs. I wonder if the situation is like that in Romania discussed elsewhere? There are apparently a lot of dogs, but many of them are strays and not pets. That sounds like New Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Dmitry
    @A123

    America for many years their prioritization animals are dogs.

    In Russia, by far the most popular animals are cats.

    If you go to the hard working, industrial city in Russia, most everyone has a cat, even with the Westernization of the culture.

    -

    Superficially it seems maybe not how you would guess.

    Americans are supposed to prioritize freedom politically, but they idealized the more servant animal. Russia as a state has tradition of autocracy, but peoples' idealization is one of the more autonomous animals.

    But cat is just an animal which has desire for autonomy, even if he is in a small apartment, or the political reality is fences. The cat with some dignity and inner autonomy, in the apartment of a cold country is quite sympathetic for anthropomorphism.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Xq8RXE.jpg

  309. @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    Why do you like niggers?

    Also Muslims hate dogs due to Zoroastrians. Many Persian Sufis have dogs guarding their tombs.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @RadicalCenter

    Sounds very likely. Dogs will sit at their Master’s grave mourning the loss for some time.

  310. One thing to think about is exactly who is banning these Dog Races.

    Admittedly The Greyhound is an abused breed but the ban on the Racing means the animal will vanish. It’s a dastardly thing to do to a noble breed that goes back to the Pharoah.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/21/greyhound-racing-is-morally-unjustifiable-it-should-be-banned

    It might be telling to hit the early life section of the Animal Rights activists in this case. It reminds me of the early 2000s when Paki and Muslim park attendants were going around London making life miserable for white women who were out walking the dog enforcing the scooping rules a little too zealously. You knew at the time it was a Muslim flex. But who orders these darkies in to fine whitey for walking a dog? There should be a limit to the effective ban on dogs via such statutes. Here’s the nigger in the bushes who ambushed the white girl because of her unleashed dog. Of course she mishandled the situation and overdid her protestations and pathetically groveled after. But still Ambushed then vilified for… walking a dog.

    Even Sunak got stung by this War on Dogs…The Met Police are a waste of space. They should be controlling the Negro/Paki problem in London, not the presence of a few dogs.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-leader-doghouse-after-letting-pet-roam-free-97857540

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    The difference between Pakistan and India is illustrated by the contrasting stature of their government officials.

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country, Pakistan selects tribal chiefs who can wrestle a small Buffalo to the ground.

    LOL funny twitter thread


    https://twitter.com/ArainGang/status/1655958986640744449

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    In my state, there was a ballot on greyhound tracks. I get the sense that it was more women who voted for for the ban.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Greyhound_Protection_Act

    But if I had to suspect a secret agenda, it would be casinos. Racetracks were an early form of state-sanctioned gambling. The idea was that there were limits to the number of races run, and so constraints on the opportunity to gamble. But casinos often don't have windows or clocks inside.

    They legalized casinos very shortly after the ban. I'd suspect guys like Steve Wynn of fronting the money for the campaign against greyhounds.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  311. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    In those years, the notions of dignity had not completely disappeared from the city. Zhirinovsky seemed like an accidental clown that everyone will forget about in a couple of years, with whom no one will deal with and, in general, a mistake of nature. Well, a dude came out with some crazy statements “we will wash our boots in the Indian Ocean, we are a great nation, Russia is above all!” Well, he got some applause. Well, we had a good time, we chose a joke. In Italy, fir example, Chichollina was elected a deputy, I even drank champagne with her in Rome at the congress of the Radical Party. You never know what freaks emerge from the collective unconscious at historical turning points!

    But I agreed. Filippov made me look at Zhirinovsky differently. And a week later, at night (in order to maintain secrecy), the lawyer's son came to my studio on Kamennoostrovsky. The studio was at Lenfilm. And the babushka-watchman at the main entrance was not at all surprised. Well, some extras coming, what is it again? And here I was dumbfounded. Zhirinovsky arrived with an entourage. There were three hundred people with him. And Woland's ball turned out to be just a miserable fantasy of a morphine addict, reality is always more interesting
     

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/65727/dela-4/

    Zapolskyi knew a lot and wrote and talked too much and now he's dead.

    Same about Prosvirnin.

    But there's nothing depressing about it. When one knows a lot, one should just laugh it all away, because as is said in the Scriptures : "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief." Ecc. 1:17 - 18.


    Vaut mieux en rire qu'en pleurer, mon jeune ami...
     
    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Sher Singh

    nothing depressing about it.

    Liberal media has always said Zhirinovsky was a representative of the KGB and continues this work in the postsoviet system.

    His work in KGB was always semi-mainstream discussion in Russian media.

    But this is a depressing story for country’s culture with him in 2022, receiving the “mafia pension”. After all these years, he is stable part of Russian television.

    He begins work in the KGB maybe 50 years ago? Working probably as a loyal servant all these decades.

    Then thrown on the trashcan in February 2022, like a waste product, when he is not required.

    It’s the “mafia pension”. They work for the mafia for all their life and instead of pension, just get the bullet.

  312. @A123
    @Dmitry

    In the U.S. -- 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     
    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1387225/images/o-DOG-STATES-facebook.jpg
     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Dmitry

    Mormon’s appear to be terrible pet owners. Viz Mitt Romney. Lashed his dog to the roof of the family car. Like an Arab or Nignog might be expected to do so.

  313. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    some of the local natives here are becoming a little bit squeamish

     

    Some speculate that aversion to gays (a reaction which I share) is an evolved response for avoiding the gay germ.

    What I've heard is that there are no gay animals, despite media attempts to paint things that way. (I.e. mistaking dominance signals) No male animal actually spurns the female

    in his later romps as Dr. Watson
     
    I though Basil Rathbone was a very good Holmes, though, at least one of those films was really awful war propaganda.

    The film was to be originally shot in color, but due to cost limitations went through the black/white process
     
    I've read that widescreen disappeared during the Great Depression and only re-merged in 1953, when they were trying to differentiate from TV.

    Some years ago, I was happy to find a DVD of Prince of Foxes (1949), which was based on probably my all-time favorite adventure novel. The film was absolutely loaded with on-location shots, had thousands of extras, but it still wasn't in color! (Or widescreen)

    Though my bigger criticism would be what they did to the plot.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    I would guess that the feelings of disgust that normal men have toward gays is just an extension of the natural disgust reflex toward things that are likely to be unhealthy. Anal sex is in the same realm as rotten meat, feces, or vomit.

    It seems like gays have highest distaste among men and less among women, while lesbianism has less yuck factor for either sex. That seems to make sense if it plays a disease aversion reaction.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    I would guess that the feelings of disgust that normal men have toward gays is just an extension of the natural disgust reflex toward things that are likely to be unhealthy.
     
    I think this is true to a certain extent. For example, I find bathroom humor disgusting, to the point where it lowers anything that I encounter it in, even if it is only one instance, for a short moment.

    But I think that the disgust against gays has other components as well. I find the voice of trannies to be deeply disturbing, even without seeing them.

    Similarly, I think men are naturally disgusted with any women that might be extreme outliers and who appear very mannish. Some of the disgust around gays may stem from this natural aversion, which probably helps one find a fertile mate.
  314. @A123
    @Dmitry

    In the U.S. -- 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     
    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1387225/images/o-DOG-STATES-facebook.jpg
     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Dmitry

    That map appears to have been made by a person who does not know how to read a map.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    LOL. You are correct. The statistic is accurate, but they colored in Arizona rather than New Mexico.

    IMHO, it would have been better if they called out the four anti-dog, IslamoGloboHomo states:
        • New York
        • Massachusetts
        • Connecticut
        • Rhode Island
    However, that is a style point.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.zippia.com/research/jobs-high-marriage-rates/states-with-the-most-dog-owners.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  315. A123 says: • Website
    @A123
    Palestinian Jews Win / Iran Loses (1)

    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on Tuesday canceled Rep. Rashida Tlaib’s antisemitic event at the U.S. Capitol scheduled for Wednesday and will host a “bipartisan discussion to honor the 75th anniversary of the US-Israel relationship” in its place.
    ...
    Tlaib was scheduled to headline the anti-Israel event with several organizations that support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, an anti-Semitic effort to wage economic war on Israel. They include Jewish Voice for Peace, a “radical anti-Israel activist group” that pushes the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement and has come under fire for glorifying Palestinian terrorism. Other organizers include Emgage Action, another BDS supporter that claims Israel is an “apartheid state,” and Americans for Justice in Palestine Action, an advocacy group that claims Jewish money is infecting politics.
     
    Why does Iran keep pushing the genocidal BDS movement? It never works. And, it causes them to lose face every time they fail.
    ___

    Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] is also doing amazingly poorly: (2)

    Israel killed three senior commanders of the Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorist group in targeted airstrikes early Tuesday.

    It identified them as Khalil Bahtini, the Islamic Jihad commander for northern Gaza Strip; Tareq Izzeldeen, the group’s intermediary between its Gaza and West Bank members; and Jehad Ghanam, the secretary of the Islamic Jihad’s military council.

    The bombings came days after Gazan terrorists led by Islamic Jihad fired 104 rockets toward Israel in response to the death of an alleged senior member of the group who had been on hunger strike in Israeli prison, the Times of Israel reports.
     
    • One PIJ member committed suicide.
    • Three more PIJ commanders killed by counter fire.
    • Hundreds of Iranian rockets launched. Zero casualties reported.

    Could Khamenei look any more impotent & pathetic?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/09/kevin-mccarthy-cancels-rashida-tlaib-antisemitic-event-u-s-capitol/

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/05/09/israel-kills-three-islamic-jihad-terrorist-commanders-in-strikes-on-gaza/

    Replies: @A123, @RadicalCenter

    ADDENDUM — Here are some statistics on Iran’s pathetic rocket launch at Palestinian Jews.

     

     

     

    Iran did more damage to the Muslim colony in Gaza versus what they inflicted on indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    Why do Iranian rockets fall short 30% of the time?

    37 Intercepts stopped all of the damage from over 350 rockets. That means ~90% of Iranian ordinance missed so badly that it did not need to be engaged by Jewish defense systems like Iron Dome.

    Khamenei is clearly dysfunctional. When will the Iranian people replace this travesty?

    PEACE 😇

  316. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.

    It is a well known fact that Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, same as Christianity. Christianity appeared a lot earlier, and evolved farther away from its Judaic roots. Plus, Muhammad apparently had little imagination. Thus, religious Muslims consider prohibited a lot of the same things as religious Jews: eating pork, eating seafood other than fish, etc.

    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever. In this regard Islam is no different.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Disagreeable to who or whom? To paraphrase Lenin.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever.
     
    In general they don't. But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly. A few do, but most replace religion with even less normal customs and beliefs. Just lo0k around. We still have the usual passionate offshoots of the old religions but also an absurd modern proliferation of outright idiocy.

    There can be no absence of myths in a society - the Enlightenment offshoots from liberalism to socialism created a vacuum and spawned a free-wheeling anything goes nonsense. Fine, it has been liberating, but it has reached a fin-de-siecle dead-end.

    Myth is a timeless understanding of our past, a connection to where we came from. The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better. This is something the enthusiasts in the past few centuries didn't understand. Many warned them, but the idea of progress was too intoxicating. Now we have a comfortable sh..t world that lost the ability to sustain itself. Maybe better for us, but the civilization we had is disappearing.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

  317. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    That map appears to have been made by a person who does not know how to read a map.

    Replies: @A123

    LOL. You are correct. The statistic is accurate, but they colored in Arizona rather than New Mexico.

    IMHO, it would have been better if they called out the four anti-dog, IslamoGloboHomo states:
        • New York
        • Massachusetts
        • Connecticut
        • Rhode Island
    However, that is a style point.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    New York is full of Jewish 10% Same with Connecticut at this point. You are making a map of where Jews cluster by looking at dog ownership stats! DC might be another with 9% Jew population.

    Is Boston really a place to keep a dog? It would be crazy to keep dogs in heavily urban apartment set ups. Still, again what’s the ethnic make up of Boston these days?

  318. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don’t really believe this. It’s a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.
     
    This is an interesting analogy. It's a situation where one is safe yet gets to have some excitement or experience of some "action". Many probably know they don't have a real democracy, but are pretending that exists. Some media moderators are that way since it's their job.

    But it's not always easy to live in a pluralistic society and multi party politics, as well as political competition, can create tension. It would be awesome to have a real ethnonationalist party (it wouldn't be that large but would still be awesome), but I can imagine how it would be attacked by other parties. Let's admit it, it would be a mess. But eventually everyone would get used to it and just accept it.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing.
     
    Are you trying to say that it stopped just now or in 2022? Do you mean that the pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there's much left there...

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?
     
    Best is to sit together in a room and talk for a long time (ok, maybe not necessarily in a circle, lol, but you know what I mean), where nobody is treated like a child.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games.
     
    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian. But Belarus is totalitarian, there are many Belarusians who are in Ukraine now, who want freedom (including nationalists).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    where nobody is treated like a child.

    Available choices are not democracy vs pseudodemocracy.

    Options are something like pseudodemocracy vs autocracy/oligarchy/junta etc.

    So, which were the pluses and minuses of the managed democracy.

    Some of the minuses are psychologicaly.

    For example, Eurovision song contest has been extremely popular in Russia for ordinary people. It was very promoted by the government and federal media for all these years.

    But in the last years, media is saying patriots are supposed to dislike it.

    There is something psychologically which is stressful, when people have to pretend to be simulating attitudes that change every few years, so everyone can pretend it is a democratic choice.

    If it can be, systems transition to more tradition autocracy or collective leadership, there is at least the small plus people don’t have the burden of carrying the pseudodemocracy theatre.

    By the way, you asked about my parents’ interest in Soviet bands of the 1980s. But they were real experts about Western bands. In Soviet times, the music nerds know more about Western music, than many people in the West of those years. People had quite a lot of the cultural access. .

    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian.

    They have mostly autocracy system although with a lot of wealthy local oligarchs surrounding the politician.

    t the “Jewish star” contest together with Prosvirnin’s wife? Hmm

    It looks like she is a journalist reporting for the event.

    Also for Prosvirnin, it doesn’t mean he necessarily has Jewish roots, just because he was going to some Jewish events.

    Jewish events in Russia, are a common part of the elite social life.

    Prosvirnin was a imperialist activist, trying to become part of the media or celebrity elite. So, it is also possible he would go to Jewish events in Moscow as part of the social climbing. That’s not to say, he doesn’t have Jewish roots.

    There are two things there. Jewish roots are very common in Russia, so it’s kind of likely he would have Jewish roots like anyone.

    But the Jewish events is also just one of the parts of the upper class social events in Russia. If you wanted to do social climbing, you would go to this kind of events.

    It doesn’t mean, the celebrities and people in Jewish events are all Jewish. It’s just one part of the social life of celebrities.

    If you want example of the Russian Federation ruling celebrities, you know Baskov, Kirkorov, Leps, Klava Koka etc are not Jewish.

    But a lot of the life of Russian celebrities, is singing Hava Nagila in the Jewish events, bar mitvahs etc.

    You know Baskov has no Jewish nationality, but probably no-one in Russia sings more Hava Nagila (except Kirkorov).

  319. I saw what you did there. You stinking fucking fraud…Here’s Jewish attitudes in the Deuteronomy text…

    No Israelite woman shall be a prostitute, nor shall any Israelite man be a prostitute.
    לֹא־תָבִיא֩ אֶתְנַ֨ן זוֹנָ֜ה וּמְחִ֣יר כֶּ֗לֶב בֵּ֛ית יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ לְכׇל־נֶ֑דֶר כִּ֧י תוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ גַּם־שְׁנֵיהֶֽם׃ {ס}        
    You shall not bring the fee of a whore or the pay of a dog into the house of your God יהוה in fulfillment of any vow, for both are abhorrent to your God יהוה.

    לֹא־תַשִּׁ֣יךְ לְאָחִ֔יךָ נֶ֥שֶׁךְ כֶּ֖סֶף נֶ֣שֶׁךְ אֹ֑כֶל נֶ֕שֶׁךְ כׇּל־דָּבָ֖ר אֲשֶׁ֥ר יִשָּֽׁךְ׃
    You shall not deduct interest from loans to your fellow Israelites, whether in money or food or anything else that can be deducted as interest;
    לַנׇּכְרִ֣י תַשִּׁ֔יךְ וּלְאָחִ֖יךָ לֹ֣א תַשִּׁ֑יךְ לְמַ֨עַן יְבָרֶכְךָ֜ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֗יךָ בְּכֹל֙ מִשְׁלַ֣ח יָדֶ֔ךָ עַל־הָאָ֕רֶץ אֲשֶׁר־אַתָּ֥ה בָא־שָׁ֖מָּה לְרִשְׁתָּֽהּ׃ {ס}        
    but you may deduct interest from loans to foreigners. Do not deduct interest from loans to your fellow Israelites, so that your God יהוה may bless you in all your undertakings in the land that you are about to enter and possess.

    That’s a reference to a DOG right there where I said, in Deuteronomy. And there’s the Hebrew text for the scholars. You must be a fucking jew after that little bit of CUTE editing out of the surrounding bits that make jew’s look vampiric. What’s read in context is that jews closely imply that other races are a group of dogs to be both shunned and exploited while fellow jews are to be given financial freebees. You are deceptive, jewboy.

    Among modern religious authorities, Rabbi Jacob Emden, an 18th-century German Rabbi, permitted dogs for economic or security reasons. However, to keep a dog merely for pleasure is “precisely the behavior of the uncircumcised,” he said. It’s an accurate description of being a dog lover. It’s mighty white.

  320. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.
     
    It is a well known fact that Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, same as Christianity. Christianity appeared a lot earlier, and evolved farther away from its Judaic roots. Plus, Muhammad apparently had little imagination. Thus, religious Muslims consider prohibited a lot of the same things as religious Jews: eating pork, eating seafood other than fish, etc.

    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever. In this regard Islam is no different.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Disagreeable to who or whom? To paraphrase Lenin.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Disagreeable to who or whom? To paraphrase Lenin.
     
    Disagreeable to level-headed rational people. Agreeable to zealots of a particular sect.
  321. @LatW
    @Barbarossa

    Polish band? Quite good... beautiful vocal. Thanks for posting. Some parts vaguely remind me of Opeth, just much lighter.

    @sudden death, this sounds like something you might like.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yep, Riverside is Polish. They are quite good. I do like much of Opeth’s stuff too, but they are really the only band with any growling that I care for.

    Here is another by Anathema that you may like if you didn’t mind Riverside .

    And a couple by The Pineapple Thief. They have some really good music videos. And their drummer is Gavin Harrison who is just so exceptional, not that non-drummers care about that so much!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for those links. Yes, I have heard of Anathema.

    I really like female vocals with guitars, especially dark symphonic metal, with a thick, velvety layer of guitars, synth, an aggressive battery and a powerful, operatic female vocal on top of it.


    And their drummer is Gavin Harrison who is just so exceptional, not that non-drummers care about that so much!
     
    Are you kidding? Drums are super important in this genre. I can't really judge all the technique, but I know when it is good in combination with other instruments.

    The timeless Tarja Turunen is one of my all time favorite vocals (it's not really progressive rock, but close enough), oldies but goodies, so to speak:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfKMV5AbMI
  322. @Dmitry
    @Gerard1234

    I don't think cats really like living in apartments, even if they enjoy modern heating and high views from the balcony.

    Cats are only semi-domestic animals, if they live in the farm they have a quite large region they manage. They have a natural autonomy and their main hobby is hunting.

    Of course, the cats are a lot more happy to live in cold country peoples' apartment with regular food, than living as street cats in the Mediterranean countries. It's still a relatively good lifestyle for Russian apartment cats, nothing near the optimal lifestyle.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Many cats are very comfortable with their humans and I don’t think they mind so much. In some places outdoor domestic cats are extremely vulnerable because they are domestic. Nothing wrong with that if you don’t mind adopting a new cat on a regular basis 🙁

  323. @Wokechoke
    One thing to think about is exactly who is banning these Dog Races.

    Admittedly The Greyhound is an abused breed but the ban on the Racing means the animal will vanish. It's a dastardly thing to do to a noble breed that goes back to the Pharoah.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/21/greyhound-racing-is-morally-unjustifiable-it-should-be-banned


    It might be telling to hit the early life section of the Animal Rights activists in this case. It reminds me of the early 2000s when Paki and Muslim park attendants were going around London making life miserable for white women who were out walking the dog enforcing the scooping rules a little too zealously. You knew at the time it was a Muslim flex. But who orders these darkies in to fine whitey for walking a dog? There should be a limit to the effective ban on dogs via such statutes. Here's the nigger in the bushes who ambushed the white girl because of her unleashed dog. Of course she mishandled the situation and overdid her protestations and pathetically groveled after. But still Ambushed then vilified for... walking a dog.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbA9rWo89gQ

    Even Sunak got stung by this War on Dogs...The Met Police are a waste of space. They should be controlling the Negro/Paki problem in London, not the presence of a few dogs.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-leader-doghouse-after-letting-pet-roam-free-97857540

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird

    The difference between Pakistan and India is illustrated by the contrasting stature of their government officials.

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country, Pakistan selects tribal chiefs who can wrestle a small Buffalo to the ground.

    LOL funny twitter thread

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Wokechoke
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country

    So when is that going to start?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  324. @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    LOL. You are correct. The statistic is accurate, but they colored in Arizona rather than New Mexico.

    IMHO, it would have been better if they called out the four anti-dog, IslamoGloboHomo states:
        • New York
        • Massachusetts
        • Connecticut
        • Rhode Island
    However, that is a style point.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.zippia.com/research/jobs-high-marriage-rates/states-with-the-most-dog-owners.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    New York is full of Jewish 10% Same with Connecticut at this point. You are making a map of where Jews cluster by looking at dog ownership stats! DC might be another with 9% Jew population.

    Is Boston really a place to keep a dog? It would be crazy to keep dogs in heavily urban apartment set ups. Still, again what’s the ethnic make up of Boston these days?

  325. @A123
    @Dmitry

    In the U.S. -- 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     
    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1387225/images/o-DOG-STATES-facebook.jpg
     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Dmitry

    I used to spend time in New Mexico and never noticed that many dogs. I wonder if the situation is like that in Romania discussed elsewhere? There are apparently a lot of dogs, but many of them are strays and not pets. That sounds like New Mexico.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @QCIC

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tjängvide_image_stone#/media/File:Tjängvide.jpg

    Riding with the Valkyrie to Valhalla? Bring your dog. All dogs go to Valhalla.

  326. @QCIC
    @A123

    I used to spend time in New Mexico and never noticed that many dogs. I wonder if the situation is like that in Romania discussed elsewhere? There are apparently a lot of dogs, but many of them are strays and not pets. That sounds like New Mexico.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Riding with the Valkyrie to Valhalla? Bring your dog. All dogs go to Valhalla.

  327. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    That video does not show what happened next, though.
     
    And what is the problem of revealing what happened next if you know it? This question isn't sarcastic btw, cause might be indeed out of the loop sometimes.

    The last thing heard was Prigozhin figuratively shedding tears 2 days ago in a video about RF army losing "strategic bridgehead" in the Bakhmut flank to UA army, where previously it took half thousand dead wagnerites to achieve the hold. Day ago he told about flanks continuing "to burst out at the seams" from UA pressure.

    Approximately it looked like this:

    https://i.postimg.cc/FHGhrNYH/Bahmut-flank.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    And what is the problem of revealing what happened next if you know it?

    Next Ukrainian troops were stopped, suffering heavy casualties and massive loss of equipment.

    The last thing heard was Prigozhin figuratively shedding tears 2 days ago
    Day ago he told about flanks continuing “to burst out at the seams” from UA pressure.

    There are two hypothesis about Prigozhin’s behavior. Mine is that he is a dwarf with a bloated ego, and that is why he is pathologically obsessed with self-aggrandizement. Hence all these videos: he is trying to look a lot more important than he really is. He might be OK against ham-handed cowardly African bandits, but that’s his limit.

    Ukrainian hypothesis is that the whole Prigozhin circus is a Kabuki theater designed to lure Ukies into a trap.

    General rule is that serious people do not make hue a cry about minor movements at the front lines, which have local operational importance that does not even rise to tactical, let alone strategic.
    If Russian leadership payed attention to local movements, there would be rivers of tears and reams of joy, but they are too adult to engage in these childish reactions.

    FYI, Ukrainians tried exact same trick near Avdeevka, trying to retake the positions they recently lost. There they were met by Donbass fighters. Lots of Ukies were killed, a lot of their equipment was damaged, and the survivors ran back with the tail between their legs, having achieved exactly nothing. There was no Wagner anywhere near. W/o any participation of Wagner Donbass fighters liberated more than 90% of Avdeevka and Mariinka, which were fortified by Ukies a lot more than Bahmut/Artemovsk, and Wagner also played no role in that.

    In general, in terms of dedication to victory and hatred of the enemy Donbass fighters beat Wagnerites by about 100:1. Many of them are what old Scandinavians called berserkers. Ukies are mortally afraid of them. They do the fighting, not the PR. They fight for their own country, not for money or early release from prison.

    That’s why I find ridiculous speculations that Prigozhin might end up being a leader of the RF. His caliber is way too small for that.

  328. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Disagreeable to who or whom? To paraphrase Lenin.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Disagreeable to who or whom? To paraphrase Lenin.

    Disagreeable to level-headed rational people. Agreeable to zealots of a particular sect.

  329. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Children also add their imagination so they can act like they are controllers. Even though they don’t really believe this. It’s a kind of border between imagination and reality for the children.
     
    This is an interesting analogy. It's a situation where one is safe yet gets to have some excitement or experience of some "action". Many probably know they don't have a real democracy, but are pretending that exists. Some media moderators are that way since it's their job.

    But it's not always easy to live in a pluralistic society and multi party politics, as well as political competition, can create tension. It would be awesome to have a real ethnonationalist party (it wouldn't be that large but would still be awesome), but I can imagine how it would be attacked by other parties. Let's admit it, it would be a mess. But eventually everyone would get used to it and just accept it.

    In 1991-2022, after time the children could stop playing.
     
    Are you trying to say that it stopped just now or in 2022? Do you mean that the pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there's much left there...

    Is it better for psychology health locked in a room, or sitting in noisy, stimulating version of the toy car, imagining you are moving?
     
    Best is to sit together in a room and talk for a long time (ok, maybe not necessarily in a circle, lol, but you know what I mean), where nobody is treated like a child.

    Media in Belarus is relatively more calm, without so many games.
     
    Belarus is calmer, more non-eventful, with less friction and more egalitarian. But Belarus is totalitarian, there are many Belarusians who are in Ukraine now, who want freedom (including nationalists).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there’s much left there…

    We were discussing in end of 2021, there was already transition in the culture of the popular music, when Morgenshtern goes to exile really because the weak level of satire of the political elite.

    [MORE]

    Morgenshtern was not sophisticated. He was just YouTuber level of satire.

    But he was still satire of the postsoviet political system and elite, that is suitable for pseudodemocracy. He was very careful to say anything directly to criticize the authorities. He didn’t add direct criticism in the meaningless song lyrics. Mostly it was just indirect visual satire.

    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn’t say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He’s too much of satire for the new system and that’s why he was exiting in 2021.

    In comparison, Klava Koka will be politically acceptable after 2022.

    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.

    Morgenshtern was doing Charlie Chaplin clowning to satire the postsoviet elite/arrivistes.

    Klava Koka just does unironically aesthetics of the postsoviet elite, without satire. Although adding promoting feminism and LGBT culture.

    Klava Koka seems like she really wants to display unironically lifestyle of Russian elite, without the satire or criticism.

    She is serious enough like she doesn’t understand satire, I don’t Morgenshtern could do enough of funny Charlie Chaplin behaviors to make her video satire of elites’ culture.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn’t say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He’s too much of satire for the new system and that’s why he was exiting in 2021.
     

    He is too open, too honest. He doesn't have a filter and can't really pretend. That's not him.

    I remember when we spoke of this and this was already a while back, and it was already getting harsh, I remember before going to Dubai he posted something like "It's getting really cold in Russia, I'm out", that was pretty meaningful (for a supposedly shallow guy like him, you can see he had чуй).

    Yes, it is satire, but he took it a bit far in terms of the shock value, that Aristocrat video is really, really bad, it is way too much. But it's so hard to shock people anymore. And, yes, you can look at it from another side - as ridicule of the flashy parts of the post-soviet culture. It's a parody of pop musicians. It is pretty shocking in some ways (to see how society has changed).

    That said... back when we spoke about him I did listen to some of his pieces, it's not really my genre, but some of it was ok, especially the live concert in St Pete, it had a good energy and intensity about it, it was well done. I already told you back then that Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all... do you know what he is up to now?

    That last song with Klava Koka, what I did like about it the lyrics in the refrain - "I love you so much that I don't care" or "I don't care, I love you". It doesn't translate fully, but the way that phrase is done, is really good, kind of in your face and easy going, such a fundamental feeling done in such a light way. Again, it's not my genre, but what is somewhat catchy about it is that it's light, fluffy, hedonistic ultra feminine stuff with a cuss word thrown in - that's so Russian. :)


    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.
     
    Well, let me be honest - it seems like this kind of trash will always be there from now on. Female clowns are very popular now (see Nicki Minaj and similar). People have always liked it, it's easy, slightly trashy, visually saturated entertainment. So, yes, it will stay. My hunch is that she will find it hard to constantly "re-invent" herself, as the sex positive feminists say, with new outfits, etc. Very hard to surprise people with that stuff these days. And at some point, some new "stars" will have to replace Kirkorov and other such stage dinosaurs.

    Oh, and some of the Russian pop will probably suffer too because of the current geopolitical situation... that's probably inevitable. You know, they all used to tour a lot all over Ukraine and Baltics.

    Now one can only get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai. My favorite Morgenshtern tune was ДУЛО (Warthunder), it is too bad to post online.Now that I think of it that song was prophetic (it's about dying in war and him ridiculing that choice).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.
     
    So yea, that's just fantastic. The Russians will be closed in and isolated, will be sent to the colony for speaking out, but they will still be fed their regular dose of dissolute culture.
  330. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Odd that you'd attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

    Odd that you’d attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    What exactly is odd? Am I your religious studies instructor? Do I need to compare and contrast religions anytime I criticize one?

    Nothing prevents Jews from owning a dog.

    It was news to me that Hasidic Jews tend to not like dogs.

    I’ll let you in on a little secret which is that I don’t actually know everything about Hasidic Jews and I really don’t care.

    When I lived in the city they would creep me out. They have a disconcerting vibe of arrogance and cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Your little dwarf dictator however puts on the Jewish party hat and hugs Hasidic Jews when he visits Israel. I would stay at least 5 feet from them but your little dwarf can’t get enough Hasidic huggies:

    Now go back to thinking I’m the Jew while your dwarf dictator boasts of expanding trade relations with Israel and sends love letters to Netanyahu. Here is one from last year:

    Russia very much appreciates your personal long-term contribution to the strengthening of friendly relations between our countries. I hope that the new government under your leadership will continue the policy of developing constructive Russian-Israeli cooperation in all areas for the benefit of our peoples and in the interests of ensuring peace and security in the Middle East.
    – Dwarfy McDictator

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @John Johnson


    d hugs Hasidic Jews
     
    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or "religious nationalist".

    Haredi Jewish men have expensive large hats, including handmade fur hats which cost thousands of dollars.

    These are different religious cults, different clothes, culture, politics, don't marry each other, live in different zones, can have different languages.

    They are both messianic religious cults, but the culture and politics is not similar. Hasids are mystical part of the Haredi Jews, which are more similar to Amish in the United States.

    Datim Leumim who have the small circle hat, are very similar to Mormons in the United States.


    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

     

    I don't think it's similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Dati Leumim, is a Mormon kind of messianic cult waiting for apocalypse. These include a lot of politically normal, moderate people, but there are also including politically dangerous cults which they have potential for violence.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don't have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Even when they protest, they are physically nonviolent, usually bullied by the police, who spray paint on their clothes. They only can be violent against people in their own community.

    They have some rules so the only violent behavior Haredim are allowed for outsiders, is something like to spit on people. Excluding spitting on people, they are kind of pacifist cult for outsiders that are often beaten by police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpuSVNuJfPc

    Replies: @John Johnson

  331. @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    The difference between Pakistan and India is illustrated by the contrasting stature of their government officials.

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country, Pakistan selects tribal chiefs who can wrestle a small Buffalo to the ground.

    LOL funny twitter thread


    https://twitter.com/ArainGang/status/1655958986640744449

    Replies: @John Johnson

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country

    So when is that going to start?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    There’s Sunak and Varadkar. The VP in the US might as well be a Hindu. There are several corporations in the US headed by them.

  332. LatW says:
    @Barbarossa
    @LatW

    Yep, Riverside is Polish. They are quite good. I do like much of Opeth's stuff too, but they are really the only band with any growling that I care for.

    Here is another by Anathema that you may like if you didn't mind Riverside .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1LZxtFNM-8


    And a couple by The Pineapple Thief. They have some really good music videos. And their drummer is Gavin Harrison who is just so exceptional, not that non-drummers care about that so much!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O32DMyXN-mI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDBdrXo4Nw0

    Replies: @LatW

    Thanks for those links. Yes, I have heard of Anathema.

    I really like female vocals with guitars, especially dark symphonic metal, with a thick, velvety layer of guitars, synth, an aggressive battery and a powerful, operatic female vocal on top of it.

    And their drummer is Gavin Harrison who is just so exceptional, not that non-drummers care about that so much!

    Are you kidding? Drums are super important in this genre. I can’t really judge all the technique, but I know when it is good in combination with other instruments.

    The timeless Tarja Turunen is one of my all time favorite vocals (it’s not really progressive rock, but close enough), oldies but goodies, so to speak:

    • Thanks: S
  333. Sher Singh says:

    Contrary to modern Sikh descriptions enthusiastic of Sikh involvement in WWII, the British were anxious about “the Sikh situation” owing to anti-colonial sentiments spread amongst Sikhs by the Akali Dal & Kirti Kisan – at one point the British even suspended Sikh recruitment.

    And with that, I have finished The Garrison State – an absolutely phenomenal book that gives amazing insight into the colonial administration of Punjab. Really made me rethink perspectives on the world wars as it pertains to Sikhs – look forward to writing & speaking on that soon

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  334. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    In those years, the notions of dignity had not completely disappeared from the city. Zhirinovsky seemed like an accidental clown that everyone will forget about in a couple of years, with whom no one will deal with and, in general, a mistake of nature. Well, a dude came out with some crazy statements “we will wash our boots in the Indian Ocean, we are a great nation, Russia is above all!” Well, he got some applause. Well, we had a good time, we chose a joke. In Italy, fir example, Chichollina was elected a deputy, I even drank champagne with her in Rome at the congress of the Radical Party. You never know what freaks emerge from the collective unconscious at historical turning points!

    But I agreed. Filippov made me look at Zhirinovsky differently. And a week later, at night (in order to maintain secrecy), the lawyer's son came to my studio on Kamennoostrovsky. The studio was at Lenfilm. And the babushka-watchman at the main entrance was not at all surprised. Well, some extras coming, what is it again? And here I was dumbfounded. Zhirinovsky arrived with an entourage. There were three hundred people with him. And Woland's ball turned out to be just a miserable fantasy of a morphine addict, reality is always more interesting
     

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/65727/dela-4/

    Zapolskyi knew a lot and wrote and talked too much and now he's dead.

    Same about Prosvirnin.

    But there's nothing depressing about it. When one knows a lot, one should just laugh it all away, because as is said in the Scriptures : "For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief." Ecc. 1:17 - 18.


    Vaut mieux en rire qu'en pleurer, mon jeune ami...
     
    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Sher Singh

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    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Sher Singh



    http://heritage.ismaili.net/node/28980

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/23062807

    http://heritage.ismaili.net/node/17934

    https://the.ismaili/usa/ismailis-in-action/volunteering-the-sikh-community

  335. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there’s much left there…
     
    We were discussing in end of 2021, there was already transition in the culture of the popular music, when Morgenshtern goes to exile really because the weak level of satire of the political elite.

    Morgenshtern was not sophisticated. He was just YouTuber level of satire.

    But he was still satire of the postsoviet political system and elite, that is suitable for pseudodemocracy. He was very careful to say anything directly to criticize the authorities. He didn't add direct criticism in the meaningless song lyrics. Mostly it was just indirect visual satire.

    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn't say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He's too much of satire for the new system and that's why he was exiting in 2021.

    In comparison, Klava Koka will be politically acceptable after 2022.

    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won't have satire tones.

    -

    Morgenshtern was doing Charlie Chaplin clowning to satire the postsoviet elite/arrivistes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsvM80bIA1k

    Klava Koka just does unironically aesthetics of the postsoviet elite, without satire. Although adding promoting feminism and LGBT culture.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTB5nfF5Cc

    Klava Koka seems like she really wants to display unironically lifestyle of Russian elite, without the satire or criticism.

    She is serious enough like she doesn't understand satire, I don't Morgenshtern could do enough of funny Charlie Chaplin behaviors to make her video satire of elites' culture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymC66795MNE

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn’t say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He’s too much of satire for the new system and that’s why he was exiting in 2021.

    He is too open, too honest. He doesn’t have a filter and can’t really pretend. That’s not him.

    I remember when we spoke of this and this was already a while back, and it was already getting harsh, I remember before going to Dubai he posted something like “It’s getting really cold in Russia, I’m out”, that was pretty meaningful (for a supposedly shallow guy like him, you can see he had чуй).

    [MORE]

    Yes, it is satire, but he took it a bit far in terms of the shock value, that Aristocrat video is really, really bad, it is way too much. But it’s so hard to shock people anymore. And, yes, you can look at it from another side – as ridicule of the flashy parts of the post-soviet culture. It’s a parody of pop musicians. It is pretty shocking in some ways (to see how society has changed).

    That said… back when we spoke about him I did listen to some of his pieces, it’s not really my genre, but some of it was ok, especially the live concert in St Pete, it had a good energy and intensity about it, it was well done. I already told you back then that Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all… do you know what he is up to now?

    That last song with Klava Koka, what I did like about it the lyrics in the refrain – “I love you so much that I don’t care” or “I don’t care, I love you”. It doesn’t translate fully, but the way that phrase is done, is really good, kind of in your face and easy going, such a fundamental feeling done in such a light way. Again, it’s not my genre, but what is somewhat catchy about it is that it’s light, fluffy, hedonistic ultra feminine stuff with a cuss word thrown in – that’s so Russian. 🙂

    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.

    Well, let me be honest – it seems like this kind of trash will always be there from now on. Female clowns are very popular now (see Nicki Minaj and similar). People have always liked it, it’s easy, slightly trashy, visually saturated entertainment. So, yes, it will stay. My hunch is that she will find it hard to constantly “re-invent” herself, as the sex positive feminists say, with new outfits, etc. Very hard to surprise people with that stuff these days. And at some point, some new “stars” will have to replace Kirkorov and other such stage dinosaurs.

    Oh, and some of the Russian pop will probably suffer too because of the current geopolitical situation… that’s probably inevitable. You know, they all used to tour a lot all over Ukraine and Baltics.

    Now one can only get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai. My favorite Morgenshtern tune was ДУЛО (Warthunder), it is too bad to post online.Now that I think of it that song was prophetic (it’s about dying in war and him ridiculing that choice).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai.

     

    Well, the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other "hobbies" nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.

    Probably Dubai has less Kadyrov activity also. Last Kadyrov vacation in Dubai with Timati, already 2 years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAvyO4BGU8.


    Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all… do you know what he is up to now?
     
    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

    He was just responding https://www.instagram.com/p/CpvC7vqNpGB.

    After bullied by Oxxymiron
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x--M8d7UBMM


    Klava Koka,
     
    Unlike "dinosaurs", she didn't receive the Western sanctions, also not added to Ukrainian assassination lists. She was traveling last year in America, now she is in France. She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkh2ocXjOQ.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.

    Replies: @LatW

  336. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    pseudodemocracy is done and they will now start накручивать гайки? As if there’s much left there…
     
    We were discussing in end of 2021, there was already transition in the culture of the popular music, when Morgenshtern goes to exile really because the weak level of satire of the political elite.

    Morgenshtern was not sophisticated. He was just YouTuber level of satire.

    But he was still satire of the postsoviet political system and elite, that is suitable for pseudodemocracy. He was very careful to say anything directly to criticize the authorities. He didn't add direct criticism in the meaningless song lyrics. Mostly it was just indirect visual satire.

    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn't say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He's too much of satire for the new system and that's why he was exiting in 2021.

    In comparison, Klava Koka will be politically acceptable after 2022.

    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won't have satire tones.

    -

    Morgenshtern was doing Charlie Chaplin clowning to satire the postsoviet elite/arrivistes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsvM80bIA1k

    Klava Koka just does unironically aesthetics of the postsoviet elite, without satire. Although adding promoting feminism and LGBT culture.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRTB5nfF5Cc

    Klava Koka seems like she really wants to display unironically lifestyle of Russian elite, without the satire or criticism.

    She is serious enough like she doesn't understand satire, I don't Morgenshtern could do enough of funny Charlie Chaplin behaviors to make her video satire of elites' culture.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymC66795MNE

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.

    So yea, that’s just fantastic. The Russians will be closed in and isolated, will be sent to the colony for speaking out, but they will still be fed their regular dose of dissolute culture.

  337. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    Odd that you’d attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    What exactly is odd? Am I your religious studies instructor? Do I need to compare and contrast religions anytime I criticize one?

    Nothing prevents Jews from owning a dog.

    It was news to me that Hasidic Jews tend to not like dogs.

    I'll let you in on a little secret which is that I don't actually know everything about Hasidic Jews and I really don't care.

    When I lived in the city they would creep me out. They have a disconcerting vibe of arrogance and cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Your little dwarf dictator however puts on the Jewish party hat and hugs Hasidic Jews when he visits Israel. I would stay at least 5 feet from them but your little dwarf can't get enough Hasidic huggies:

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/06/000_1H83Y8-e1559731520363.jpg

    Now go back to thinking I'm the Jew while your dwarf dictator boasts of expanding trade relations with Israel and sends love letters to Netanyahu. Here is one from last year:

    Russia very much appreciates your personal long-term contribution to the strengthening of friendly relations between our countries. I hope that the new government under your leadership will continue the policy of developing constructive Russian-Israeli cooperation in all areas for the benefit of our peoples and in the interests of ensuring peace and security in the Middle East.
    - Dwarfy McDictator

    Replies: @Dmitry

    d hugs Hasidic Jews

    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or “religious nationalist”.

    Haredi Jewish men have expensive large hats, including handmade fur hats which cost thousands of dollars.

    These are different religious cults, different clothes, culture, politics, don’t marry each other, live in different zones, can have different languages.

    They are both messianic religious cults, but the culture and politics is not similar. Hasids are mystical part of the Haredi Jews, which are more similar to Amish in the United States.

    Datim Leumim who have the small circle hat, are very similar to Mormons in the United States.

    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

    I don’t think it’s similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Dati Leumim, is a Mormon kind of messianic cult waiting for apocalypse. These include a lot of politically normal, moderate people, but there are also including politically dangerous cults which they have potential for violence.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don’t have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Even when they protest, they are physically nonviolent, usually bullied by the police, who spray paint on their clothes. They only can be violent against people in their own community.

    They have some rules so the only violent behavior Haredim are allowed for outsiders, is something like to spit on people. Excluding spitting on people, they are kind of pacifist cult for outsiders that are often beaten by police.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Dmitry


    dwarf dictator hugs Hasidic Jews
     
    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or “religious nationalist”.

    That's amusing. Wokechoke thinks I know all about Hasidic Jews, you believe I don't know enough.

    Maybe you two can get some coffee and discuss what really uninterests me.

    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.
     
    I don’t think it’s similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    I described how they creep me out. It doesn't garner a counter-point of knowledge.

    Hasidic Jews, Nation of Islam, Scientology and Watchtower all creep me out. They creep me out on an emotional level by simply being near them. My "batshit crazy" sensors go off.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don’t have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Well I've purchased goods from the Amish and they actually seemed pretty reasonable. I've also bought baked goods from the Mennonites on many occasions.

    I know enough about Hasidic Jews to know that I don't ever want to live near them again. I know about the witching hour, the separate beds and the loopholes for Shabbat. I know more about dog breeding than Hasidic Jews so by all means point out to Wokechoke that I'm not up to speed on Jewish distinctions. I've gone into detail on rural septic design, problems with the MLB, firearm design, WW1/WW2 history, racial biology, European history, Roman history, Greek history and yet Wokechoke still goes to bed at night thinking I'm a Jew. His dwarf dictator has bragged about having close relations to Israel and yet he obsesses over me as some Jew in the shadows. This is what happens when you abandon Western rationality and convince yourself that all opposition to your assumptions must be Jewish in origin.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  338. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    A pro-Putin anti-vaxx blogger that sometimes posts here. He actually has quite a few followers.
     
    Hm, I'd have to read what he said. These things can be read differently, of course, and it's good to have different perspectives, but if he worked for the CIA, he should be more knowledgable. Maybe he didn't specialize in EE. One must know Russian (and preferably Ukrainian) to have a full grasp of this, because things are moving rather fast now.

    My guess is that Prigozhin really is that reckless but also correctly assumes that Putin values him alive over dead because of the Wagner successes. But I don’t know how much more of this Putin will tolerate. Other allies have been pushed out of windows for much less.
     
    He is reckless and bold, and he is running out of moves. Your guesses are good. Yesterday he openly called Putin a "mudak" ("dumbass") and a "grandpa" (ded). That is very risky.

    Putin may even intentionally leave him with AK-47s and a message of good luck asshole.
     
    If Putin wants to get rid of him eventually, he could leave him there to be "hirmars'ed". But I'm not sure Putin is fully in charge any longer.

    Who is behind Prigozhin? I don't know, I think it is the FSB faction. Someone is also probably trying to regulate the "Z patriots".


    Ukraine should offer Prigozhen a hundred million to switch sides.
     
    Good thinking. Prigozhin has been kissing up to the Ukrainians as well, giving them compliments about how good they are.

    He seems more interested in the war for the joy of it and not so much Russian nationalism.
     
    I think he is mostly interested in his career, funds, reputation. For him it is a gesheft.

    But he does throw in a lot of patriotic language, so he knows what buttons to push.

    By the way, Kadyrov started talking smack to him. He told him we need to deal "po ponyatiyam". That's kind of rough language to indicate some dominance. "My people will call you and let you know what to do," he said (re: transfering Bakhmut).


    It’s an interesting situation since this vulnerability with mercenaries goes back thousands of years. If one side starts losing they become open to offers from the enemy. Or they just take power like the Anglo-Saxons instead of bothering with a meager paycheck.
     
    The Wagner core have a decent pay check, I believe, and they are international criminals, so for them the only place to go would be some place in Africa. Vulnerability in this case is an understatement - nothing can replace an efficient well run regular army especially during a campaign of this scale. These merc groups can be used to plug in holes, but not win a war of this kind when they are going against the whole nation (plus allies).

    By the way, some Russians are still coming onto Ukraine's side, normal volunteers, not mercs (although they will be taken care of at least at the basic level). It is very hard for them to come over logistically. In some cases, they cannot even move out of Russia.

    Replies: @Sean

    Yesterday he openly called Putin a “mudak” (“dumbass”) and a “grandpa” (ded).

    Bullshit!

  339. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @LatW


    I’m not even convinced that an immediate offensive make sense.
     
    It will most likely be a series of campaigns in several places. I doubt it will be some kind of a “shock and awe” but maybe.

    That is what I also concluded would be the better strategy. They shouldn't even announce that an offensive is happening. Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes. I think they should also make extensive use of special forces. They have much better night equipment.

    If they actually round up a giant armored force then Putin will send out every last Mig. It would be too juicy of a target. I also assume the Russians still have plenty of artillery that can deploy mines.

    Replies: @LatW

    They shouldn’t even announce that an offensive is happening.

    They won’t.

    Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes.

    Exactly, it looks like that’s what’s being done around Enerhodar.

    I think they should also make extensive use of special forces.

    Of course, that goes without saying. Oh, and by the way… Azov resurfaced, they are operating in that area near Bakhmut from where parts of Wagner group retreated the other day. Their Chief finally resurfaced, that’s a very good sign.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Fireworks have started and both sides have reported a rout of the Russian 72nd Brigade in Bakhmut.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0103GwUtwy0

    Folks get yourself some popcorn and stay in this weekend.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean

  340. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    They shouldn’t even announce that an offensive is happening.
     
    They won't.


    Just pick at weaknesses along the line and say nothing. Let it be a mystery if the offensive has actually started or if they are just prodding for holes.
     
    Exactly, it looks like that's what's being done around Enerhodar.

    I think they should also make extensive use of special forces.
     
    Of course, that goes without saying. Oh, and by the way... Azov resurfaced, they are operating in that area near Bakhmut from where parts of Wagner group retreated the other day. Their Chief finally resurfaced, that's a very good sign.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Fireworks have started and both sides have reported a rout of the Russian 72nd Brigade in Bakhmut.

    Folks get yourself some popcorn and stay in this weekend.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson

    Tsushima, says my intuition.

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    No massive all out offensive would be preceded by a virtual countdown. It was not going to happen if they said it was, but I think the Ukrainians' switched to saying their big attack is not going ahead because the Russians have ceased to believe in an advance announcement by Ukraine of what should be a military secret. Yet in a way they are saying it is going ahead by saying it won't. So it still isn't.

    Replies: @sudden death

  341. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Morgenshtern was trying to be the postsoviet Charlie Chaplin, but he is a lot less aggressive than real Charlie Chaplin and he doesn’t say anything the authorities can criticize.

    But Morgenshtern was still not acceptable for the new politics of 2022. He’s too much of satire for the new system and that’s why he was exiting in 2021.
     

    He is too open, too honest. He doesn't have a filter and can't really pretend. That's not him.

    I remember when we spoke of this and this was already a while back, and it was already getting harsh, I remember before going to Dubai he posted something like "It's getting really cold in Russia, I'm out", that was pretty meaningful (for a supposedly shallow guy like him, you can see he had чуй).

    Yes, it is satire, but he took it a bit far in terms of the shock value, that Aristocrat video is really, really bad, it is way too much. But it's so hard to shock people anymore. And, yes, you can look at it from another side - as ridicule of the flashy parts of the post-soviet culture. It's a parody of pop musicians. It is pretty shocking in some ways (to see how society has changed).

    That said... back when we spoke about him I did listen to some of his pieces, it's not really my genre, but some of it was ok, especially the live concert in St Pete, it had a good energy and intensity about it, it was well done. I already told you back then that Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all... do you know what he is up to now?

    That last song with Klava Koka, what I did like about it the lyrics in the refrain - "I love you so much that I don't care" or "I don't care, I love you". It doesn't translate fully, but the way that phrase is done, is really good, kind of in your face and easy going, such a fundamental feeling done in such a light way. Again, it's not my genre, but what is somewhat catchy about it is that it's light, fluffy, hedonistic ultra feminine stuff with a cuss word thrown in - that's so Russian. :)


    She promotes LGBT culture like Kirkorov, but she does everything serious, no satire. I think this kind of culture is going to continue now after 2022. The celebrities will still promote the LGBT, but they won’t have satire tones.
     
    Well, let me be honest - it seems like this kind of trash will always be there from now on. Female clowns are very popular now (see Nicki Minaj and similar). People have always liked it, it's easy, slightly trashy, visually saturated entertainment. So, yes, it will stay. My hunch is that she will find it hard to constantly "re-invent" herself, as the sex positive feminists say, with new outfits, etc. Very hard to surprise people with that stuff these days. And at some point, some new "stars" will have to replace Kirkorov and other such stage dinosaurs.

    Oh, and some of the Russian pop will probably suffer too because of the current geopolitical situation... that's probably inevitable. You know, they all used to tour a lot all over Ukraine and Baltics.

    Now one can only get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai. My favorite Morgenshtern tune was ДУЛО (Warthunder), it is too bad to post online.Now that I think of it that song was prophetic (it's about dying in war and him ridiculing that choice).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai.

    Well, the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other “hobbies” nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.

    Probably Dubai has less Kadyrov activity also. Last Kadyrov vacation in Dubai with Timati, already 2 years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAvyO4BGU8.

    Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all… do you know what he is up to now?

    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

    He was just responding https://www.instagram.com/p/CpvC7vqNpGB.

    After bullied by Oxxymiron

    Klava Koka,

    Unlike “dinosaurs”, she didn’t receive the Western sanctions, also not added to Ukrainian assassination lists. She was traveling last year in America, now she is in France. She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkh2ocXjOQ.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other “hobbies” nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.
     
    That's right, Don Don's got bigger fish to fry these days... you know, when the Ukrainian soldier showed the world that Don Don's TikTok troops aren't even all that scary in real life, maybe that changed the perception a little. By the way, that concert in St Pete, it was good and refreshing. It was like a breath of fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system "celebrities"...

    It was something good that wasn't allowed to continue, like many other things...

    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

     

    I agree, he's truthful, I mean he's way too rude for my taste, but I forgive him because he's not nasty and he'd rather leave then kiss up to the ones at the top.

    Those pics on Instagram are so adorable! You can just see all his cuteness there, and you can see his nationality, he's half Bashkir, not full right? That's an adorable age.

    Tbh, I don't know anything about Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia. I wonder what the old rappers such as Kasta think of everything. I have more respect for him. Way back, Kasta did a few pieces with one of our rappers, believe it or not, they used to hang out. Think of how much is broken and will be broken now... because granpa went crazy... :(


    She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer.
     
    Really, why? That's not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She's not propagating invading Ukraine.

    Btw, did you see that blonde guy with the letter Z on the Red Square, Shaman? And Я русский, that song I may have liked, in a different time and place... or different world, rather.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.
     
    OMG, don't get me started on that topic, I literally used to live not too far where they all used to gather every summer, with all their billionaires. Probably the highest per capita billionaire concentration in one spot. That was back during the oil boom. Until 2014.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  342. S says:
    @S
    @songbird


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    If they were to do redo it now, Depp's character would probably be played by a Black tranny.


    IMO, it is pretty notable how nearly all these old pirate films had masculine archetypes, but, then we get to more modern times and witness Depp’s obviously ambiguous character.
     
    Power's pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. :-D

    BTW, ‘Blood’ from the movie Captain Blood is actually a real surname. Welsh in origin – though found in Ireland (character was Irish, IIRC).
     
    Interesting. I wasn't aware of that. I suppose it's an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    When you brought up that guy Pine-Coffin or whatever his name was, I was going to suggest it would have been a funny bit, to have him join up some military unit, and see that the other guys in the squad had names like Blood, Gore, Limb, Heart, etc.
     
    That is funny.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.

    There is a dash of that, a slight caricaturization, in the clip below of a 1965 episode of The Avengers. The fictional town is called 'Little Bazeley by the Sea', and the pub is named 'The Inebriated Gremlin'.

    There was a better example of that sort of thing I recall from one of the old episodes but I couldn't find it just now. Oh, well. :-)


    https://youtu.be/W363ExEokpE

    Replies: @songbird, @S

    Previous reply to Songbird should have read:

    Took a while to hook me. I was shaking my head a bit, when he cut the rudder chain with his knife. – at least it seemed improbable to me.

    Power’s pirate character was sort of an anti-superhero. They can do that sort of thing. 😀

  343. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    get their Morgenshtern with a glass of champagne in Dubai.

     

    Well, the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other "hobbies" nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.

    Probably Dubai has less Kadyrov activity also. Last Kadyrov vacation in Dubai with Timati, already 2 years ago? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izAvyO4BGU8.


    Morgenshtern seems more authentic to me than Timati. Not comparable at all… do you know what he is up to now?
     
    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

    He was just responding https://www.instagram.com/p/CpvC7vqNpGB.

    After bullied by Oxxymiron
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x--M8d7UBMM


    Klava Koka,
     
    Unlike "dinosaurs", she didn't receive the Western sanctions, also not added to Ukrainian assassination lists. She was traveling last year in America, now she is in France. She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEkh2ocXjOQ.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.

    Replies: @LatW

    the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other “hobbies” nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.

    That’s right, Don Don’s got bigger fish to fry these days… you know, when the Ukrainian soldier showed the world that Don Don’s TikTok troops aren’t even all that scary in real life, maybe that changed the perception a little. By the way, that concert in St Pete, it was good and refreshing. It was like a breath of fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system “celebrities”…

    It was something good that wasn’t allowed to continue, like many other things…

    [MORE]

    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

    I agree, he’s truthful, I mean he’s way too rude for my taste, but I forgive him because he’s not nasty and he’d rather leave then kiss up to the ones at the top.

    Those pics on Instagram are so adorable! You can just see all his cuteness there, and you can see his nationality, he’s half Bashkir, not full right? That’s an adorable age.

    Tbh, I don’t know anything about Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia. I wonder what the old rappers such as Kasta think of everything. I have more respect for him. Way back, Kasta did a few pieces with one of our rappers, believe it or not, they used to hang out. Think of how much is broken and will be broken now… because granpa went crazy… 🙁

    She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer.

    Really, why? That’s not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She’s not propagating invading Ukraine.

    Btw, did you see that blonde guy with the letter Z on the Red Square, Shaman? And Я русский, that song I may have liked, in a different time and place… or different world, rather.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.

    OMG, don’t get me started on that topic, I literally used to live not too far where they all used to gather every summer, with all their billionaires. Probably the highest per capita billionaire concentration in one spot. That was back during the oil boom. Until 2014.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system “celebrities”

     

    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum. The final test, would be to distinguish correctly between Zhigan and Dzhigan.

    Who was better in MMA? Who goes to prison? Who beat Oxxxy? Who does Kadyrov invite for a boxing match?


    why? That’s not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She’s not propagating invading Ukraine.

     

    She was in Ukraine's sanctions list
    https://ura.news/news/1052616377

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.


    he’s half Bashkir, not full right
     
    His family is a bit of representative of bad stereotypes of Ufa.

    Father was a Bashkir oligarch of the 1990s that died after mysterious conflicts. His mother was a Jewish businesswoman and this is how Morgenshtern has the Israeli citizenship. "Morgenshtern" is just the mother's family name.

    Ex-wife Dilara is Tatar. Tatars often look very different in different region. But really she looks like the most famous Israeli models or actresses, so it's one of the times I start to almost believe a pseudoscience "Khazar hypothesis".


    Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia.

     

    Authorities usually seem less threatened by him, than he imagines. They view him as a kind of upper middle class liberal nerds' culture. Surkov said he was genius. Parliament celebrates his new album.

    https://riafan.ru/1566114-deputat-gosdumy-drapeko-sravnila-reperov-oxxxymiron-i-morgenshterna


    know anything about Oxxxyimiron,

     

    Morgenshtern isn't good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don't like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting.

    He was popular with ordinary kids, who just enjoy mix of Charlie Chaplin comedy and shiny cars. But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.

    Oxxxymiron is less effective criticism than some simple clown video of Morgenshtern. He is criticizing ideological things which are only distractions they confuse the population.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn't "ideological fascism", it's small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.

    BlackStar was more close descriptions of elites' and country's values. But Morgenshtern adds too much satire tone for nowadays. It's a court's controlled channel which is commuting the values. You know, it was only ten years ago court's clowns could sing about life of court to everyone in the lyrics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIAgcCnFmE.

    Replies: @LatW

  344. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Fireworks have started and both sides have reported a rout of the Russian 72nd Brigade in Bakhmut.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0103GwUtwy0

    Folks get yourself some popcorn and stay in this weekend.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean

    Tsushima, says my intuition.

  345. S says:
    @songbird
    @S


    If they were to do redo it now, Depp’s character would probably be played by a Black tranny
     
    They did have that Jamaican patois-speaking black woman with black teeth who was supposed to be the goddess of the sea and who could grow to Godzilla's size, and who had previous race-mixing relationships with Davy Jones and, by inference, Jack Sparrow.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tia_Dalma

    For me, the most remarkable thing about those movies was how bad they were, despite the money put into them. I guess a lot of these cape movies are similar, but I wonder if it might be some epoch we are moving away from. Not that the movies will get better - just that less investment will go into them. Though I guess Bezos did spend a lot to buy the rights to LotR.

    I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.
     
    Welsh: ab Lloyd. They supposedly came to Ireland to help put down Hugh O'Neill's rebellion. There was a famous Col. Blood from Ireland who tried to steal the crown jewells. Probably that is were Sabatini got the name.

    Not very scientific, but my vague impression is that there were a number of Welsh families, who though arriving relatively late in Ireland, seem to have amalgamated into the Catholic population. Perhaps, it was because they were poor? But for example, there are Taylors near the Reeks who came over to work the mines after the Cromwellian conquest.

    I think it likely that the average Irish person has at least a very tiny bit of Welsh in them.

    The English have historically prided themselves on having a certain subtle eccentricity in regards to personal and place names.
     
    There is a great diversity of placenames in Britain. Maybe, it helps create a homey feel that inspires one to try to come up with original names for pubs, etc?

    Replies: @S

    They did have that Jamaican patois-speaking black woman with black teeth who was supposed to be the goddess of the sea…

    Yes, Calypso, whom was a Greek invention and hardly African.

    I suppose it’s an Anglicization of a Gaelic name.

    Welsh: ab Lloyd. They supposedly came to Ireland to help put down Hugh O’Neill’s rebellion. There was a famous Col. Blood from Ireland who tried to steal the crown jewells. Probably that is were Sabatini got the name.

    Thanks. It’s fascinating how these names come about.

    There is a great diversity of placenames in Britain. Maybe, it helps create a homey feel that inspires one to try to come up with original names for pubs, etc?

    That, and I suppose as life is difficult enough, it’s not a bad thing to throw in a little bit of humor here and there.

    • Agree: songbird
  346. @A123
    @Dmitry

    In the U.S. -- 4 of the top 5 states for dog ownership are among the least likely to see the Muslim rainbow flag. And, 4 of the bottom 5 are highly likely to be friendly to SJW Islam

     
    https://i.huffpost.com/gen/1387225/images/o-DOG-STATES-facebook.jpg
     

    Dog ownership is antithetical to LGBT flags and other symbols of IslamoGloboHomo culture.
    ____

    Utah is an interesting outlier. I do not know any reason why Mormons would be less likely to own dogs, but that does seem to be the case.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Dmitry

    America for many years their prioritization animals are dogs.

    In Russia, by far the most popular animals are cats.

    If you go to the hard working, industrial city in Russia, most everyone has a cat, even with the Westernization of the culture.

    Superficially it seems maybe not how you would guess.

    Americans are supposed to prioritize freedom politically, but they idealized the more servant animal. Russia as a state has tradition of autocracy, but peoples’ idealization is one of the more autonomous animals.

    But cat is just an animal which has desire for autonomy, even if he is in a small apartment, or the political reality is fences. The cat with some dignity and inner autonomy, in the apartment of a cold country is quite sympathetic for anthropomorphism.

  347. @Dmitry
    @John Johnson


    d hugs Hasidic Jews
     
    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or "religious nationalist".

    Haredi Jewish men have expensive large hats, including handmade fur hats which cost thousands of dollars.

    These are different religious cults, different clothes, culture, politics, don't marry each other, live in different zones, can have different languages.

    They are both messianic religious cults, but the culture and politics is not similar. Hasids are mystical part of the Haredi Jews, which are more similar to Amish in the United States.

    Datim Leumim who have the small circle hat, are very similar to Mormons in the United States.


    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

     

    I don't think it's similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    Dati Leumim, is a Mormon kind of messianic cult waiting for apocalypse. These include a lot of politically normal, moderate people, but there are also including politically dangerous cults which they have potential for violence.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don't have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Even when they protest, they are physically nonviolent, usually bullied by the police, who spray paint on their clothes. They only can be violent against people in their own community.

    They have some rules so the only violent behavior Haredim are allowed for outsiders, is something like to spit on people. Excluding spitting on people, they are kind of pacifist cult for outsiders that are often beaten by police.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpuSVNuJfPc

    Replies: @John Johnson

    dwarf dictator hugs Hasidic Jews

    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or “religious nationalist”.

    That’s amusing. Wokechoke thinks I know all about Hasidic Jews, you believe I don’t know enough.

    Maybe you two can get some coffee and discuss what really uninterests me.

    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.

    I don’t think it’s similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    I described how they creep me out. It doesn’t garner a counter-point of knowledge.

    Hasidic Jews, Nation of Islam, Scientology and Watchtower all creep me out. They creep me out on an emotional level by simply being near them. My “batshit crazy” sensors go off.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don’t have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Well I’ve purchased goods from the Amish and they actually seemed pretty reasonable. I’ve also bought baked goods from the Mennonites on many occasions.

    I know enough about Hasidic Jews to know that I don’t ever want to live near them again. I know about the witching hour, the separate beds and the loopholes for Shabbat. I know more about dog breeding than Hasidic Jews so by all means point out to Wokechoke that I’m not up to speed on Jewish distinctions. I’ve gone into detail on rural septic design, problems with the MLB, firearm design, WW1/WW2 history, racial biology, European history, Roman history, Greek history and yet Wokechoke still goes to bed at night thinking I’m a Jew. His dwarf dictator has bragged about having close relations to Israel and yet he obsesses over me as some Jew in the shadows. This is what happens when you abandon Western rationality and convince yourself that all opposition to your assumptions must be Jewish in origin.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    You’ve lived around Hasids? Or among them?

  348. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts

    In many countries, dogs vs cat ownership shows the level of the Americanization and the embourgeoisement of the urban population.

    The example is in the Middle East. The city with the highest dog ownership per capita in the world is Tel Aviv, which also probably has some of the most of the LGBT flags.
    https://www.booking.com/articles/the-worlds-7-most-dog-friendly-cities.html#:~:text=With%20one%20dog%20for%20every,one%20park%20per%20square%20kilometre

    There it is like the LGBT flags and the other symbols of the Western culture. It's the wealthy liberals.

    In Russia, there is also a taste of Westernization with dogs as a status for the middle class people, especially wealthy women like the dogs, like a German automobile. While the majority of average people have cats.

    But the actual working dogs, which are in the countryside with farmers? They are used as a cheap alarm system. They are tied with strings to the expensive equipment in the farm. They walk in a small circle all day following the string. Dogs in the countryside are living as a kind of serf.

    Farmers or peasants are really brutal with the dogs, from what I could see personally. They have utilitarian position that doesn't respect the animal rights. Wealthy and liberal city people, with high Westernization level are the people who are sentimentalizing the dogs and giving them a privileged life, including all the expensive Western brands for dog food.

    Replies: @A123, @LondonBob

    Dog ownership must be highest amongst single, childless women, which explains certain trends.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @LondonBob

    The term "Dog Mom" which, incredibly, is used unironically, has to one of the most pathetic societal tells.

  349. @Sean
    @John Johnson

    The Ukrainian equivalent of the Wagner convicts are the Russian speaking Ukrainians. I can assure you that many of the Ukrainian refugee families in Europe are from the ethnic Russian minority and fled because their teenage sons were going to to used as cannon fodder.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW, @PetrOldSack

    They would have “fled” on any invitation [the EU/UK borders being open barn doors] to form packs of stray-dogs around garbage cans [welfare] at the outskirts of London. Western and Eastern Ukrainians alike. The packs would be undistinguishable, mergeable, and sharing the battle cry “never go back”.

    It reminds me of Colombians selling organs to get to the US. “Si te vayas, a que te vayas bien. Si no, no vuelves.”

    Who benefits of these weaponized migrations? Our elites, why? Political dominance of a stressed herd easy to be-fiddle, as we see now, potential canon fodder mining, proxy conflict seedlings, empty-ing the lands for corporate mining, agriculture, experimenting [in the case of Ukraine 600.000 square kilometres, the size of Germanies + Poland is contested]. Have the back and forth goodwil of the left-behinds, their financial dependence on their siblings in the EU/UK. The possibilities are endless.

    The Finance Cabal has won some substantial victories in that sense. They stride borders, nation states do not, they have tribal loyalties and proffer globalism to the masses, …no qualms about man-meat but for means to and end. They stride all horses, thus in the end, Russia and China as much if they hold back half-way is an indication. Multi-polarity, my *ss.

    Pertinent or coincidental detail Prigozhin, ratted out as an “oligarch”, a Jew. Obscured on all sides of “media”, who runs Russia, or rather which “oligarchs”? There is diplomacy going on, between all parties, out of the public’s face. An “autonomous” nation is just a front, as much as a morphing corporation [Bayer, Monsanto, Ukraine, Russia, US, Nestle, Black-Rock, CIA], all in the same listing. The question for now is indeed as to who will be attributed what. Elites infighting in a planet of want.

  350. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    Dogs are unclean in Judaism. Which is exactly where Muslims pick up 9/10 of their disagreeable customs.
     
    It is a well known fact that Islam is an offshoot of Judaism, same as Christianity. Christianity appeared a lot earlier, and evolved farther away from its Judaic roots. Plus, Muhammad apparently had little imagination. Thus, religious Muslims consider prohibited a lot of the same things as religious Jews: eating pork, eating seafood other than fish, etc.

    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever. In this regard Islam is no different.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever.

    In general they don’t. But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly. A few do, but most replace religion with even less normal customs and beliefs. Just lo0k around. We still have the usual passionate offshoots of the old religions but also an absurd modern proliferation of outright idiocy.

    There can be no absence of myths in a society – the Enlightenment offshoots from liberalism to socialism created a vacuum and spawned a free-wheeling anything goes nonsense. Fine, it has been liberating, but it has reached a fin-de-siecle dead-end.

    Myth is a timeless understanding of our past, a connection to where we came from. The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better. This is something the enthusiasts in the past few centuries didn’t understand. Many warned them, but the idea of progress was too intoxicating. Now we have a comfortable sh..t world that lost the ability to sustain itself. Maybe better for us, but the civilization we had is disappearing.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    ― G.K. Chesterton.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.
     
    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Barbarossa, @Sean

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly.
     
    There is a powerful minority who consider it a scientific fact that religion is a primitive superstition that it will be beneficial to eliminate. They are full of hate at all religious people. Their hate speech seems socially acceptable. In my old zip code houses and businesses at every third address had a Black Lives Splatter sign posted.

    I moved. Progress. I'm a partisan of Whig history for me personally. : )

  351. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever.
     
    In general they don't. But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly. A few do, but most replace religion with even less normal customs and beliefs. Just lo0k around. We still have the usual passionate offshoots of the old religions but also an absurd modern proliferation of outright idiocy.

    There can be no absence of myths in a society - the Enlightenment offshoots from liberalism to socialism created a vacuum and spawned a free-wheeling anything goes nonsense. Fine, it has been liberating, but it has reached a fin-de-siecle dead-end.

    Myth is a timeless understanding of our past, a connection to where we came from. The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better. This is something the enthusiasts in the past few centuries didn't understand. Many warned them, but the idea of progress was too intoxicating. Now we have a comfortable sh..t world that lost the ability to sustain itself. Maybe better for us, but the civilization we had is disappearing.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    ― G.K. Chesterton.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
    ― G.K. Chesterton.
     
    There thousands of Gods humans currently believe in. I can guess what God Chesterton had in mind. Do you mean the same Christian God? Then I have bad news for you: the majority of humans do not believe in that particular one.
  352. @Sher Singh
    @Ivashka the fool


    https://twitter.com/YungBhujang/status/1280931073384501249
    https://twitter.com/YungBhujang/status/1632913883869376513

    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1489864779040980992?s=20

    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1478859999484936195
    https://twitter.com/akali_berserker/status/1529492813729366017

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  353. A123 says: • Website

    Trump turned in a strong performance last night: (1)

    Enter 2023… Hilariously, CNN never learned anything from the previous seven years, asks Donald Trump to come back and sends Kaitlin Collins onto the stage with instructions to be rude, combative, argumentative, snide and nasty. What happens… Trump fearlessly destroys the effort, and the audience is well entertained.

    CNN cried mercy and cut the Townhall short by 20 minutes, it was scheduled for 90 – they conceded defeat at 70 minutes and ended the broadcast. The leftists then went into full meltdown pearl clutching in panel reviews everywhere, while the Ron DeSantis team had apoplectic fits of sad.

    At about minute 46, Trump tells the truth about Ukraine:
        • America has put in ~$172 billion
        • Europe had put in about $20 billion
    He states that the EU is more impacted than American due to simple geography. Which is, of course, true. And, that they need to step up their funding.

    Trump also states that he would end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours. While that is obviously comic over ebulliance, it points out his intent to achieve a quick armistice. Putin has offered a halt to fighting along current lines. So, it is not hard to figure out. He is going to put the squeeze on Kiev aggression.

    If you want peace, vote TRUMP 2024.
    ♦ If you want unaffordable war, vote 4 more years for Not-The-President Biden.

    It really is that simple.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/11/full-replay-cnn-broadcasts-trump-townhall-the-culmination-of-their-seven-year-effort-to-destroy-president-trump-cnn-leaves-in-tears/



    Video Link

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Did he get ratings?

    CNN is a business.

    Replies: @A123

  354. @Sean
    @Greasy William

    It is not at all obvious that a combined arms offensive can work for either side, but assuming Ukraine achieved a decisive success and broke the Russians, what might they do? It is clear to me that America is not looking to find out.

    America could easily give F16's, jam the Russian GLONASS, (GPS than is necessary for guided missiles) and supply Ukraine with ATACMS , but haven't: they don't dare. I think Washington's goal is to stalemate Putin and wait out his tenure in the Kremlin.

    However, it is not at all clear what Putin's objectives now are. It was a matter of days after Putin's Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky's orders that Putin began the Russian army build up on Ukraine's border for the invasion.

    Replies: @sudden death

    supply Ukraine with ATACMS , but haven’t: they don’t dare

    UK is daring though, that probably is the result of that previously announced special UA defence fund tender, which ended on May 6th IIRC:

    The UK has confirmed it is supplying Ukraine with long-range missiles it requested for its fight against invading Russian forces.

    The Storm Shadow cruise missile has a range of over 250km (155 miles), according to the manufacturer.

    By contrast, the US-supplied Himars missiles used by Ukraine only have a range of around 80 km (50 miles).

    The weapons will give Ukraine new capabilities as it prepares a counter-offensive against Russia.

    They are fired from aircraft, so the longer range means Ukrainian pilots will be able to stay further from the frontlines.

    Once launched, the Storm Shadow drops to low altitude to avoid detection by enemy radar, before latching onto its target with an infra-red seeker.

    The announcement was made in the House of Commons by UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace. The decision follows repeated pleas from Ukraine for more weapons from the West.

    Mr Wallace said the missiles would “allow Ukraine to push back Russian forces based on Ukrainian sovereign territory”.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65558070

  355. @John Johnson
    @Dmitry


    dwarf dictator hugs Hasidic Jews
     
    That is not a Hasidic Jew. The person he has hugging has a miniature circle hat, indicates Dati leumi, or “religious nationalist”.

    That's amusing. Wokechoke thinks I know all about Hasidic Jews, you believe I don't know enough.

    Maybe you two can get some coffee and discuss what really uninterests me.

    cult like devotion. They creep me out just as much as Nation of Islam or Scientology.
     
    I don’t think it’s similar to nation of Islam or Scientology.

    I described how they creep me out. It doesn't garner a counter-point of knowledge.

    Hasidic Jews, Nation of Islam, Scientology and Watchtower all creep me out. They creep me out on an emotional level by simply being near them. My "batshit crazy" sensors go off.

    Haredim are like a village type of Amish cult, exist in a different society, without interaction with the secular world except political demands. If they don’t have their political demands, the leaders send them to protest for civil disobedience.

    Well I've purchased goods from the Amish and they actually seemed pretty reasonable. I've also bought baked goods from the Mennonites on many occasions.

    I know enough about Hasidic Jews to know that I don't ever want to live near them again. I know about the witching hour, the separate beds and the loopholes for Shabbat. I know more about dog breeding than Hasidic Jews so by all means point out to Wokechoke that I'm not up to speed on Jewish distinctions. I've gone into detail on rural septic design, problems with the MLB, firearm design, WW1/WW2 history, racial biology, European history, Roman history, Greek history and yet Wokechoke still goes to bed at night thinking I'm a Jew. His dwarf dictator has bragged about having close relations to Israel and yet he obsesses over me as some Jew in the shadows. This is what happens when you abandon Western rationality and convince yourself that all opposition to your assumptions must be Jewish in origin.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    You’ve lived around Hasids? Or among them?

  356. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Depp based his real life on Keith Richards. He apparently missed the part where Richards gave up partying except for public relations around age 30.

    https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/the-lone-ranger.jpg

    This is almost brain damaging media to consume but Lex Fridman did an interview with the therapist who testified on Amber Heard's mental health and that part of the interview (there are chapter headings) is only worth it if you shut down your brain around 8:30 p.m. which I tend to do most days.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtOKrG_wK5A&ab_channel=LexFridman

    Replies: @songbird

    Thought it was really bizarre at the time how they let Depp play an Indian in that political climate.


    Afraid I just barely grasp the meme, not having seen Aquaman. (Which I assume it alludes to. Don’t recognize the chick) I know who Momoa is from Stargate and so I am just able to sense a connection between Depp and him based on the hair.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/sunken-pirate-stronghold-at-port-royal

    Replies: @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird

    The girl from Aquaman 2 is Amber Heard....

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depp_v._Heard

    PEACE 😇

  357. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    An interesting bit of American history is how the Tom and Jerry character Mammy Two-Shoes, debuted 1940 as a maid, and seemed to subtly transform into the owner of the house, before being axed altogether in 1953, and replaced in the old cartoons.

    https://youtu.be/qWlpktF5h0A

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammy_Two_Shoes

    Seems as though Turner brought her back in the '80s (likely with edits) while replacing the voice to be less stereotypical.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I have no idea what Turner might have done with perhaps overdubbing the original (1950) or the edited (1966) versions in the 1980’s. An equally interesting question would be how and why the 1966 version of the cartoon was ever made? Was this a sign that wokeization was already under way in 1966?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Was this a sign that wokeization was already under way in 1966?
     
    The NAACP started a campaign against the character in 1949.

    It is interesting to think about: Hollywood is usually conceived as being at the forefront of the political push. But, at least in this instance, it seems they fought back or resisted outside pressure for a slight while.

    They didn't stop using the character until after 1952. They may have kept her longer, but the voice actress who called the head of the NAACP "one-eighth Negro" (actually he looked even less) went on to do other work.

    If I had to put it into some greater trend, I think it was because the government had already signaled the direction it was moving in. Truman worked with the NAACP to desegregate the military. The Supreme Court had declared housing compacts illegal. All before they stopped making shorts with the character.
  358. @Wokechoke
    One thing to think about is exactly who is banning these Dog Races.

    Admittedly The Greyhound is an abused breed but the ban on the Racing means the animal will vanish. It's a dastardly thing to do to a noble breed that goes back to the Pharoah.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jun/21/greyhound-racing-is-morally-unjustifiable-it-should-be-banned


    It might be telling to hit the early life section of the Animal Rights activists in this case. It reminds me of the early 2000s when Paki and Muslim park attendants were going around London making life miserable for white women who were out walking the dog enforcing the scooping rules a little too zealously. You knew at the time it was a Muslim flex. But who orders these darkies in to fine whitey for walking a dog? There should be a limit to the effective ban on dogs via such statutes. Here's the nigger in the bushes who ambushed the white girl because of her unleashed dog. Of course she mishandled the situation and overdid her protestations and pathetically groveled after. But still Ambushed then vilified for... walking a dog.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbA9rWo89gQ

    Even Sunak got stung by this War on Dogs...The Met Police are a waste of space. They should be controlling the Negro/Paki problem in London, not the presence of a few dogs.

    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/uk-leader-doghouse-after-letting-pet-roam-free-97857540

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird

    In my state, there was a ballot on greyhound tracks. I get the sense that it was more women who voted for for the ban.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Greyhound_Protection_Act

    But if I had to suspect a secret agenda, it would be casinos. Racetracks were an early form of state-sanctioned gambling. The idea was that there were limits to the number of races run, and so constraints on the opportunity to gamble. But casinos often don’t have windows or clocks inside.

    They legalized casinos very shortly after the ban. I’d suspect guys like Steve Wynn of fronting the money for the campaign against greyhounds.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    A close analysis ought to be conducted. Who put this on the ballot for one?

  359. S says:
    @Greasy William
    I don't see much chance of the current hostilities in Israel turning into a larger war. There hasn't been a large scale war in the region since 2014 primarily because such a conflict would be in the interest of neither side.

    The Lebanese want to destroy Israel, but like all Arabs, they don't think *their* state should be the one to do it. And the Lebanese are an especially cowardly lot. Hezbollah is extremely mindful of Lebanese public opinion and I can't see them launching a major operation against Israel unless they are sure said operation would end Israel's existence.

    Hamas likewise prefers to only use it's military strength when it wants specific concessions.

    Iran has always said that it is playing the long game against Israel: the idea is to tighten thee noose around Israel both militarily and diplomatically and gradually grind Israel down, although the Iranians presumably do anticipate some sort of final battle that will definitely end the conflict. The Iranian strategy has been very successful so far, certainly vastly more successful than I anticipated and I expect the IDF is equally surprised with how badly Israel's strategic position has deteriorated over the past several years. I mean, the Iranians aren't exactly a bunch of geniuses so for Israel to get so badly outplayed by what is essentially a 3rd world country still living in the middle ages is pretty pathetic.

    Right now, Hezbollah and Hamas seem content to let Islamic Jihad bombard Israel with rockets, knowing that as long as they (Hezbollah and Hamas) don't join in themselves that they are immune from retaliation. Israel greatly fears a full scale conflict with Hezbollah and Hamas because it has no prospect of defeating either.

    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel's final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran's clients Sudan and Libya!).

    I don't think it's imminent though because I can't imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved. Also, Putin isn't much of an antisemite and I can't see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin's successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @S

    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel’s final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran’s clients Sudan and Libya!).

    I’ve posted before about two books, The New Rome published in the United States in 1853, and now effectively blacklisted globally, and The Third Empire published in Russia in 2006, each telling their country of publication that there will be a future world war between the US and Russia which they will prevail in.

    I’ve hypothesized that these two books may have constituted ‘a suggestion’ being placed in their respective publics’ minds.

    Full disclosure, Theodore Poesche and Charles Goepp, the two authors of the mid 19th century The New Rome, which tells of future victory over Russia by the United States, were two German gentiles. Mikhail Yuryev, the author of The Third Empire, which tells of a future victory by Russia over the United States, was a Russian Jew.

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n16/mode/1up?view=theater

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    I don’t think it’s imminent though because I can’t imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved.

    The map at the link above of Russia’s projected ‘Third Empire’ includes the present day state of Israel.

    Also, Putin isn’t much of an antisemite and I can’t see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin’s successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.

    Prigozhin with his ‘Wagnerites’ (collectively named after Hitler’s personal favorite) may be just the man, though how much of a real ‘Nazi!’TM (‘crypto’, or, otherwise) he potentially actually is or can be, considering Prigozhin’s Jewish background, is unknown.

    Just to be sure the point wasn’t missed, ie ‘that they all be ‘Nazis!’TM it may have been preferred to call the Wagnerites the ‘Adolf Hitler Division’, but that would have been too blunt, and self defeating.

    ‘Wagner’ and ‘Wagnerites’ has just the right subtlety about it, and gets the point across just fine. 🙂

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @S

    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia? I can't see that happening.

    Replies: @Matra, @S

  360. @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    In my state, there was a ballot on greyhound tracks. I get the sense that it was more women who voted for for the ban.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Greyhound_Protection_Act

    But if I had to suspect a secret agenda, it would be casinos. Racetracks were an early form of state-sanctioned gambling. The idea was that there were limits to the number of races run, and so constraints on the opportunity to gamble. But casinos often don't have windows or clocks inside.

    They legalized casinos very shortly after the ban. I'd suspect guys like Steve Wynn of fronting the money for the campaign against greyhounds.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    A close analysis ought to be conducted. Who put this on the ballot for one?

  361. @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    ― G.K. Chesterton.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”
    ― G.K. Chesterton.

    There thousands of Gods humans currently believe in. I can guess what God Chesterton had in mind. Do you mean the same Christian God? Then I have bad news for you: the majority of humans do not believe in that particular one.

  362. @John Johnson
    @Sher Singh

    India selects nerds who are capable of running a modern country

    So when is that going to start?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There’s Sunak and Varadkar. The VP in the US might as well be a Hindu. There are several corporations in the US headed by them.

  363. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever.
     
    In general they don't. But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly. A few do, but most replace religion with even less normal customs and beliefs. Just lo0k around. We still have the usual passionate offshoots of the old religions but also an absurd modern proliferation of outright idiocy.

    There can be no absence of myths in a society - the Enlightenment offshoots from liberalism to socialism created a vacuum and spawned a free-wheeling anything goes nonsense. Fine, it has been liberating, but it has reached a fin-de-siecle dead-end.

    Myth is a timeless understanding of our past, a connection to where we came from. The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better. This is something the enthusiasts in the past few centuries didn't understand. Many warned them, but the idea of progress was too intoxicating. Now we have a comfortable sh..t world that lost the ability to sustain itself. Maybe better for us, but the civilization we had is disappearing.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.

    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Societies that enfranchised jews are all going down the drain.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    I didn't know you subscribe to the values viewpoint :)... I generally don't and find morality very hard to define in most situations. On a societal level stability beats morality any day - we are are trying to have some order, maintain stability, steadiness that allows for an individual to live his life. The alternative is chaos - I am not sure chaos is moral or immoral, but it basically describes a life that cannot be sustained, something unpleasant and bad. If I fear anything it is chaos.

    the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse.
     
    I am not sure that is true. Maybe China and a few Asian countries. But the rot is pretty deep in the rest of the world whether coming from a previously Christian tradition or not. Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let's not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don't help.

    I don't pine for the pre-Enlightenment world, but we should consider whether Enlightenment was a mistake with the inevitable consequences being what we have now. The Enlightenment has a sacred cultural status and you represent it well, but how come that its ideas brought us this sh..ty West - in its heartland? If the rules you follow got you here, maybe they are not that great.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN

    , @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Which to be fair was Jesus' point. We are supposed to worship in Spirit and in Truth as one with our being, not as a box checking exercise to get on the right side of a pissed off Sky Chief.

    As far as the Chesterson quote, I would think of it this way:

    Take God in the quote as being the Ultimate Transcendent which is the ground of reality and gives context and limitation to all of creation.

    If one has a faith in this, which is not limited to Christianity, then one will recognize a certain sense of order and place in creation and our place within it. Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens. So, we have limits on what we can and should do.

    We can argue over what those limits really are, but I think it is hard to believe that we should be unchained from all limits.

    Humanism believes that we really are the center of the Universe and all meaning proceeds from us. This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations. We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don't exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    So, to get back to Chesterton, if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one's moral and ethical order become unhinged. Belief in any absurdity can take root, which is certainly self-evident today in society.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    , @Sean
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Kant. But he always implied that the morally pure would win through to a success in the end.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  364. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    The norms and customs of any religion can be considered disagreeable, as they make no sense whatsoever.
     
    In general they don't. But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly. A few do, but most replace religion with even less normal customs and beliefs. Just lo0k around. We still have the usual passionate offshoots of the old religions but also an absurd modern proliferation of outright idiocy.

    There can be no absence of myths in a society - the Enlightenment offshoots from liberalism to socialism created a vacuum and spawned a free-wheeling anything goes nonsense. Fine, it has been liberating, but it has reached a fin-de-siecle dead-end.

    Myth is a timeless understanding of our past, a connection to where we came from. The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better. This is something the enthusiasts in the past few centuries didn't understand. Many warned them, but the idea of progress was too intoxicating. Now we have a comfortable sh..t world that lost the ability to sustain itself. Maybe better for us, but the civilization we had is disappearing.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    But it was a mistake to assume that sans religious norms people will live more sensibly.

    There is a powerful minority who consider it a scientific fact that religion is a primitive superstition that it will be beneficial to eliminate. They are full of hate at all religious people. Their hate speech seems socially acceptable. In my old zip code houses and businesses at every third address had a Black Lives Splatter sign posted.

    I moved. Progress. I’m a partisan of Whig history for me personally. : )

  365. @A123
    Trump turned in a strong performance last night: (1)

    Enter 2023… Hilariously, CNN never learned anything from the previous seven years, asks Donald Trump to come back and sends Kaitlin Collins onto the stage with instructions to be rude, combative, argumentative, snide and nasty. What happens… Trump fearlessly destroys the effort, and the audience is well entertained.

    CNN cried mercy and cut the Townhall short by 20 minutes, it was scheduled for 90 – they conceded defeat at 70 minutes and ended the broadcast. The leftists then went into full meltdown pearl clutching in panel reviews everywhere, while the Ron DeSantis team had apoplectic fits of sad.
     
    At about minute 46, Trump tells the truth about Ukraine:
        • America has put in ~$172 billion
        • Europe had put in about $20 billion
    He states that the EU is more impacted than American due to simple geography. Which is, of course, true. And, that they need to step up their funding.

    Trump also states that he would end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours. While that is obviously comic over ebulliance, it points out his intent to achieve a quick armistice. Putin has offered a halt to fighting along current lines. So, it is not hard to figure out. He is going to put the squeeze on Kiev aggression.

    If you want peace, vote TRUMP 2024.
    ♦ If you want unaffordable war, vote 4 more years for Not-The-President Biden.

    It really is that simple.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/11/full-replay-cnn-broadcasts-trump-townhall-the-culmination-of-their-seven-year-effort-to-destroy-president-trump-cnn-leaves-in-tears/

    https://rumble.com/embed/v2kk1ka/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did he get ratings?

    CNN is a business.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Did he get ratings? CNN is a business.
     
    Is water wet? (1)

    According to Mediaite, citing Nielsen Fast National data, CNN scored 3.12 million total viewers - of which a whopping 703,000 were from the coveted 25-54 age demographic.

    Fox News came in second place for the night, with 1.412 million viewers, followed by MSNBC, which had 1.372 million. In the 25-54 demo, MSNBC topped Fox with 155,000 vs. 125,000 viewers.

    Early data does not reflect the town hall’s full viewership as later numbers will, additionally, both CNN.com and CNN’s apps aired the town live as well, numbers which will be released later in the day. -Mediaite
     

     
    3 million is much lower than the actual. A bunch of people refused to watch live CNN and picked it up on replay.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-effect-cnn-ratings-explode-after-town-hall
  366. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.
     
    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Barbarossa, @Sean

    Societies that enfranchised jews are all going down the drain.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    yeah, but so are the ones that didn't

  367. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I have no idea what Turner might have done with perhaps overdubbing the original (1950) or the edited (1966) versions in the 1980's. An equally interesting question would be how and why the 1966 version of the cartoon was ever made? Was this a sign that wokeization was already under way in 1966?

    Replies: @songbird

    Was this a sign that wokeization was already under way in 1966?

    The NAACP started a campaign against the character in 1949.

    It is interesting to think about: Hollywood is usually conceived as being at the forefront of the political push. But, at least in this instance, it seems they fought back or resisted outside pressure for a slight while.

    They didn’t stop using the character until after 1952. They may have kept her longer, but the voice actress who called the head of the NAACP “one-eighth Negro” (actually he looked even less) went on to do other work.

    If I had to put it into some greater trend, I think it was because the government had already signaled the direction it was moving in. Truman worked with the NAACP to desegregate the military. The Supreme Court had declared housing compacts illegal. All before they stopped making shorts with the character.

  368. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I would guess that the feelings of disgust that normal men have toward gays is just an extension of the natural disgust reflex toward things that are likely to be unhealthy. Anal sex is in the same realm as rotten meat, feces, or vomit.

    It seems like gays have highest distaste among men and less among women, while lesbianism has less yuck factor for either sex. That seems to make sense if it plays a disease aversion reaction.

    Replies: @songbird

    I would guess that the feelings of disgust that normal men have toward gays is just an extension of the natural disgust reflex toward things that are likely to be unhealthy.

    I think this is true to a certain extent. For example, I find bathroom humor disgusting, to the point where it lowers anything that I encounter it in, even if it is only one instance, for a short moment.

    But I think that the disgust against gays has other components as well. I find the voice of trannies to be deeply disturbing, even without seeing them.

    Similarly, I think men are naturally disgusted with any women that might be extreme outliers and who appear very mannish. Some of the disgust around gays may stem from this natural aversion, which probably helps one find a fertile mate.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  369. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.
     
    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Barbarossa, @Sean

    …A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    I didn’t know you subscribe to the values viewpoint :)… I generally don’t and find morality very hard to define in most situations. On a societal level stability beats morality any day – we are are trying to have some order, maintain stability, steadiness that allows for an individual to live his life. The alternative is chaos – I am not sure chaos is moral or immoral, but it basically describes a life that cannot be sustained, something unpleasant and bad. If I fear anything it is chaos.

    the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse.

    I am not sure that is true. Maybe China and a few Asian countries. But the rot is pretty deep in the rest of the world whether coming from a previously Christian tradition or not. Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don’t help.

    I don’t pine for the pre-Enlightenment world, but we should consider whether Enlightenment was a mistake with the inevitable consequences being what we have now. The Enlightenment has a sacred cultural status and you represent it well, but how come that its ideas brought us this sh..ty West – in its heartland? If the rules you follow got you here, maybe they are not that great.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa.
     
    Even stupid Africans recognize the inherent superiority of monotheistic societies. The Chinese are either going to have to bring back slavery with whips and chains or they are going to lose money. Let's look closely at what happens in Africa!

    Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @Beckow

    Congratulations on a reasonable post and generally correct point.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I didn’t know you subscribe to the values viewpoint
     
    I am not sure what you call values. In my book, the basic rule in a society, where people inevitably interact, should be “treat others as you want to be treated”. The only exception I would make is self-defense: if someone hits you, hit back; if someone tries to shoot or shoots at you, shoot back. Even in that I have certain personal limitations: I would not hit a woman or a child, even if provoked. However, I am not sure that my rule about women would apply to blue-haired sex-confused freaks. Never tested this experimentally.

    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don’t help.
     
    Japan and Korea are becoming dysfunctional, but as far as I can tell from my trips some years ago, not to the same extent as the bulk of the imperial patch. Interestingly, both have more sizeable Christian populations than most Asian countries. Don’t know about Australia, hope to find out during my planned visit there in November. Russia is an outlier: it is technically Christian, but remains remarkably sane (libtards are gnashing their teeth and trying to provoke every war against Russia they can). To the best of my knowledge, India is not going mad with LGBT and woke BS, even though libtards are trying to make it as crazy as they are. Middle East is gradually becoming less hellish. As someone rightly commented before, “the US is pushed out of the Middle East, and peace is breaking out”. Ongoing reconciliation between Iran and Yemen with Saudi Arabia, as well as Syria with Turkey, illustrates that. I was only in two African countries, Egypt and Kenia, and both struck me as being a lot saner than Europe (despite annoying hawkers and panhandlers).

    Replies: @Beckow

  370. @S
    @Greasy William


    All of this is stunningly consistent with the ancient Jewish prophecy that Israel’s final war will be a coalition led by Russia with Iran and Turkey as junior partners (the prophecy even mentions Iran’s clients Sudan and Libya!).
     
    I've posted before about two books, The New Rome published in the United States in 1853, and now effectively blacklisted globally, and The Third Empire published in Russia in 2006, each telling their country of publication that there will be a future world war between the US and Russia which they will prevail in.

    I've hypothesized that these two books may have constituted 'a suggestion' being placed in their respective publics' minds.

    Full disclosure, Theodore Poesche and Charles Goepp, the two authors of the mid 19th century The New Rome, which tells of future victory over Russia by the United States, were two German gentiles. Mikhail Yuryev, the author of The Third Empire, which tells of a future victory by Russia over the United States, was a Russian Jew.


    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n16/mode/1up?view=theater

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    I don’t think it’s imminent though because I can’t imagine Russia turning south until the situation with Ukraine is resolved.
     
    The map at the link above of Russia's projected 'Third Empire' includes the present day state of Israel.

    Also, Putin isn’t much of an antisemite and I can’t see him being particularly interested in such a course of action. More likely it will be Putin’s successor, who I expect to be a full scale cypto Nazi.
     
    Prigozhin with his 'Wagnerites' (collectively named after Hitler's personal favorite) may be just the man, though how much of a real 'Nazi!'TM ('crypto', or, otherwise) he potentially actually is or can be, considering Prigozhin's Jewish background, is unknown.

    Just to be sure the point wasn't missed, ie 'that they all be 'Nazis!'TM it may have been preferred to call the Wagnerites the 'Adolf Hitler Division', but that would have been too blunt, and self defeating.

    'Wagner' and 'Wagnerites' has just the right subtlety about it, and gets the point across just fine. :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia? I can’t see that happening.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Greasy William

    The Cold War was the predicted clash between the US (and subsumed UK) and Russian empires with the former emergent triumphant. I thought the book then said there'd be a clash between the winner and the world's most populous country, China, but maybe I'm mixing up my books of prophecy.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @S
    @Greasy William


    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia?
     
    While I in no way desire such a conflict, I can easily see it taking place. The United States with it's shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies is only one step away now from a war with Russia. I don't think the near religious devotion of the US/UK to recreating every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.

    Am also taking into account the cosmology of the various peoples involved.

    I can’t see that happening.
     
    We'll probably just have to agree to disagree, though I'd much rather you be right.

    Replies: @A123

  371. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    Societies that enfranchised jews are all going down the drain.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    yeah, but so are the ones that didn’t

  372. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    I didn't know you subscribe to the values viewpoint :)... I generally don't and find morality very hard to define in most situations. On a societal level stability beats morality any day - we are are trying to have some order, maintain stability, steadiness that allows for an individual to live his life. The alternative is chaos - I am not sure chaos is moral or immoral, but it basically describes a life that cannot be sustained, something unpleasant and bad. If I fear anything it is chaos.

    the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse.
     
    I am not sure that is true. Maybe China and a few Asian countries. But the rot is pretty deep in the rest of the world whether coming from a previously Christian tradition or not. Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let's not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don't help.

    I don't pine for the pre-Enlightenment world, but we should consider whether Enlightenment was a mistake with the inevitable consequences being what we have now. The Enlightenment has a sacred cultural status and you represent it well, but how come that its ideas brought us this sh..ty West - in its heartland? If the rules you follow got you here, maybe they are not that great.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN

    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa.

    Even stupid Africans recognize the inherent superiority of monotheistic societies. The Chinese are either going to have to bring back slavery with whips and chains or they are going to lose money. Let’s look closely at what happens in Africa!

    Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.
     
    This narcissism goes way back, I think Spinoza wrote about it. On an individual level these mental games are amusing, but once they become prevalent in a society they can be fatal.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Atheists are elitists without exception.
     
    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

  373. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thought it was really bizarre at the time how they let Depp play an Indian in that political climate.

    @A123
    Afraid I just barely grasp the meme, not having seen Aquaman. (Which I assume it alludes to. Don't recognize the chick) I know who Momoa is from Stargate and so I am just able to sense a connection between Depp and him based on the hair.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I recall seeing a TV show about Port Royal years ago.
    ____
    There was a pirate treasure (sunken ship) found on Cape Cod in 1984. The guy looking for it made some local presentation about what he knew about it, and one of the old ladies found him afterward and showed some necklace she got when her ancestors were combing the beach (all the locals were, at the time.)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whydah_Gally

    AC Doyle created a pirate character called 'Captain Sharkey.'. Sounds corny but 'Sharkey' is also a real surname, IIRC.

  374. Sean says:
    @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Fireworks have started and both sides have reported a rout of the Russian 72nd Brigade in Bakhmut.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0103GwUtwy0

    Folks get yourself some popcorn and stay in this weekend.

    Replies: @LatW, @Sean

    No massive all out offensive would be preceded by a virtual countdown. It was not going to happen if they said it was, but I think the Ukrainians’ switched to saying their big attack is not going ahead because the Russians have ceased to believe in an advance announcement by Ukraine of what should be a military secret. Yet in a way they are saying it is going ahead by saying it won’t. So it still isn’t.

    • LOL: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean

    According to RF side, UA already has started counterratack at least locally around Bakhmut&Soledar:

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpTXbbpG/UA-counter.jpg

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100508

    Zoperation fans should be calm though as "1991 Iraq army 2.0" cosplay is obviously improving and should come out victorious this time:

    https://i.postimg.cc/MT93K3mQ/t55.jpg

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100495

    Replies: @Sean

  375. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thought it was really bizarre at the time how they let Depp play an Indian in that political climate.

    @A123
    Afraid I just barely grasp the meme, not having seen Aquaman. (Which I assume it alludes to. Don't recognize the chick) I know who Momoa is from Stargate and so I am just able to sense a connection between Depp and him based on the hair.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    The girl from Aquaman 2 is Amber Heard….

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depp_v._Heard

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: songbird
  376. @Greasy William
    @S

    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia? I can't see that happening.

    Replies: @Matra, @S

    The Cold War was the predicted clash between the US (and subsumed UK) and Russian empires with the former emergent triumphant. I thought the book then said there’d be a clash between the winner and the world’s most populous country, China, but maybe I’m mixing up my books of prophecy.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Matra

    Yeah that seems more likely. Although if there was a nationalist takeover of Russia then I guess war between the US and Russia would be feasible. Russian ultra nationalists are every bit as insane as the 20th century German ultra nationalists were

  377. @Matra
    @Greasy William

    The Cold War was the predicted clash between the US (and subsumed UK) and Russian empires with the former emergent triumphant. I thought the book then said there'd be a clash between the winner and the world's most populous country, China, but maybe I'm mixing up my books of prophecy.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Yeah that seems more likely. Although if there was a nationalist takeover of Russia then I guess war between the US and Russia would be feasible. Russian ultra nationalists are every bit as insane as the 20th century German ultra nationalists were

  378. @LondonBob
    @Dmitry

    Dog ownership must be highest amongst single, childless women, which explains certain trends.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    The term “Dog Mom” which, incredibly, is used unironically, has to one of the most pathetic societal tells.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  379. LatW says:

    Bud Light backlash hits more beers

    “The backlash to Bud Light’s partnership with transgender social media influencer Dylan Mulvaney now appears to be hitting other brands in Anheuser-Busch InBev’s portfolio. Bud Light sales sank 21.4% in the four weeks ending April 29 from a year earlier, according to data from Beer Business Daily, while parent brand Budweiser was down 11.4% and Michelob Ultra 4.4%. Some Bud boycotters seem to be turning to brews from Anheuser-Busch rivals: Coors Light sales rose 10.9% in the period and Miller Lite climbed 12.8%.”

    They tried to mess up the NHL with pride flags, too. Ivan Provorov of Philadelphia Flyers refused to toe the line. “What is your religion?” “Russian Orthodox”. Hahahaha, good for him! Молодец, Ваня!

  380. @Sean
    @John Johnson

    No massive all out offensive would be preceded by a virtual countdown. It was not going to happen if they said it was, but I think the Ukrainians' switched to saying their big attack is not going ahead because the Russians have ceased to believe in an advance announcement by Ukraine of what should be a military secret. Yet in a way they are saying it is going ahead by saying it won't. So it still isn't.

    Replies: @sudden death

    According to RF side, UA already has started counterratack at least locally around Bakhmut&Soledar:

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100508

    Zoperation fans should be calm though as “1991 Iraq army 2.0” cosplay is obviously improving and should come out victorious this time:

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100495

    • Replies: @Sean
    @sudden death

    There is a big difference, Russia really does have weapons of mass destruction ; in fact its nuclear arsenal is essentially equivalent to America's and so Russia could destroy America just as easily as America could destroy Russia. Therefore America's aim is to erode Russian will without making them desperate. Put another way it is boiling a frog. Tactical not operational level successes are what Ukraine is going to be helped to achieve. Hence no ATACMS , F16s or jamming the Russian version of GPS that their guided missiles depend on.

    There have been two big successes for Ukraine First was the result of the Russian army being ordered to concentrate of speed of advance and the Ukrainians allowing them in them attacking vulnerable strung out columns. The Kharkov offensive was light forces infiltration and psyops mainly because Russians ran away away after going on social media and seeing Ukrainian flags planted in villages behind them, wrongly assuming that they were about to have by powerful Ukrainian pincers close on them. But those surprisingly great victories alarmed America by demonstrating how easily a complete breakdown of command and control in the Russian army might come about if Ukraine was allowed to apply serious pressure per deep strike precision weapons and a real combined arms offensive.


    Kherson was a very limited success, The Russians foolishly over extended across a natural geographical barrier. with choke points. Russia could so easily have lost 20,000 of their best professional troops (VDV), but the US seems to have bee unwilling to let Ukraine put them on the bag, or even interfere with the withdrawal back across the river. So maybe the reason the much heralded counter offensive South to cut off Crimea is being cancelled until further notice is that the US is frightened it might work far too well

  381. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    I didn't know you subscribe to the values viewpoint :)... I generally don't and find morality very hard to define in most situations. On a societal level stability beats morality any day - we are are trying to have some order, maintain stability, steadiness that allows for an individual to live his life. The alternative is chaos - I am not sure chaos is moral or immoral, but it basically describes a life that cannot be sustained, something unpleasant and bad. If I fear anything it is chaos.

    the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse.
     
    I am not sure that is true. Maybe China and a few Asian countries. But the rot is pretty deep in the rest of the world whether coming from a previously Christian tradition or not. Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let's not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don't help.

    I don't pine for the pre-Enlightenment world, but we should consider whether Enlightenment was a mistake with the inevitable consequences being what we have now. The Enlightenment has a sacred cultural status and you represent it well, but how come that its ideas brought us this sh..ty West - in its heartland? If the rules you follow got you here, maybe they are not that great.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN

    Congratulations on a reasonable post and generally correct point.

  382. That calls for a drink…

  383. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    I didn't know you subscribe to the values viewpoint :)... I generally don't and find morality very hard to define in most situations. On a societal level stability beats morality any day - we are are trying to have some order, maintain stability, steadiness that allows for an individual to live his life. The alternative is chaos - I am not sure chaos is moral or immoral, but it basically describes a life that cannot be sustained, something unpleasant and bad. If I fear anything it is chaos.

    the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse.
     
    I am not sure that is true. Maybe China and a few Asian countries. But the rot is pretty deep in the rest of the world whether coming from a previously Christian tradition or not. Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let's not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don't help.

    I don't pine for the pre-Enlightenment world, but we should consider whether Enlightenment was a mistake with the inevitable consequences being what we have now. The Enlightenment has a sacred cultural status and you represent it well, but how come that its ideas brought us this sh..ty West - in its heartland? If the rules you follow got you here, maybe they are not that great.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN

    I didn’t know you subscribe to the values viewpoint

    I am not sure what you call values. In my book, the basic rule in a society, where people inevitably interact, should be “treat others as you want to be treated”. The only exception I would make is self-defense: if someone hits you, hit back; if someone tries to shoot or shoots at you, shoot back. Even in that I have certain personal limitations: I would not hit a woman or a child, even if provoked. However, I am not sure that my rule about women would apply to blue-haired sex-confused freaks. Never tested this experimentally.

    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don’t help.

    Japan and Korea are becoming dysfunctional, but as far as I can tell from my trips some years ago, not to the same extent as the bulk of the imperial patch. Interestingly, both have more sizeable Christian populations than most Asian countries. Don’t know about Australia, hope to find out during my planned visit there in November. Russia is an outlier: it is technically Christian, but remains remarkably sane (libtards are gnashing their teeth and trying to provoke every war against Russia they can). To the best of my knowledge, India is not going mad with LGBT and woke BS, even though libtards are trying to make it as crazy as they are. Middle East is gradually becoming less hellish. As someone rightly commented before, “the US is pushed out of the Middle East, and peace is breaking out”. Ongoing reconciliation between Iran and Yemen with Saudi Arabia, as well as Syria with Turkey, illustrates that. I was only in two African countries, Egypt and Kenia, and both struck me as being a lot saner than Europe (despite annoying hawkers and panhandlers).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    the basic rule in a society should be...treat others as you want to be treated
     
    That's nice, but that rule is an oxymoron in competitive capitalisim. It goes directly against core principles of the Western market-and-money society: it can be stated but not observed. I am not sure we are capable of any other society - the mercantile acquisitive instinct is too dominant.

    Your self-defense example is schematic: we are already in constant struggle with everyone else and that dictates self-defense. In self-defense everything is allowed and we eventually come full circle: our capitalist societies when they fully mature will drop all moral rules. We will all become a version of Larry Ellison or Jeff Bezos, with fewer toys. (It is good to be kind to women and children, but the elderly witches should be exempted.)


    Middle East is gradually becoming less hellish...saner than Europe...
     
    They are 2-3 phases behind, but the dynamic also exists there. We have a global situation where the wealth and good life are heavily concentrated in the most culturally dysfunctional parts of the world - in the broader West. It happened before and the barbarians eventually stormed the decadent center. It may not work this time - the temptations are too big, it is better connected, the control tools are better. EE (my special interest) is not immune - it has the toxic combination of proximity and ambition. The unspoken truth is that people - even very good people - can be bought. The individualism of today's world actually suggests that is the best strategy for a person. That wasn't the case in the past. But we will see - I suspect if the decline is reversed it will come from an unexpected places.
  384. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.
     
    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Barbarossa, @Sean

    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Which to be fair was Jesus’ point. We are supposed to worship in Spirit and in Truth as one with our being, not as a box checking exercise to get on the right side of a pissed off Sky Chief.

    As far as the Chesterson quote, I would think of it this way:

    Take God in the quote as being the Ultimate Transcendent which is the ground of reality and gives context and limitation to all of creation.

    If one has a faith in this, which is not limited to Christianity, then one will recognize a certain sense of order and place in creation and our place within it. Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens. So, we have limits on what we can and should do.

    We can argue over what those limits really are, but I think it is hard to believe that we should be unchained from all limits.

    Humanism believes that we really are the center of the Universe and all meaning proceeds from us. This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations. We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don’t exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    So, to get back to Chesterton, if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one’s moral and ethical order become unhinged. Belief in any absurdity can take root, which is certainly self-evident today in society.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don’t exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.
     
    The main problem here seems to be that you can't technically do that in reality, at least yet - despite the cosmetic ability to chop out the dicks or boobs, nobody can change the natural limitations of inner muscle/bone density or shape or install new functioning uterus/tesicular system inside, but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.

    Usually law always followed technical abilities/improvements, but this time the cart is being stationed before the horse.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens.
     
    Agree. But humans did not get to that test yet. So far we are screwing up only the planet we totally depend on. We have no technology that would allow us to screw up someone else’s living space.

    if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one’s moral and ethical order become unhinged.
     
    I agree that there must be limits, and that those limits must have a source. However, I don’t see why that source must be external. I believe that every human must have an internal source of these limits. That’s the essence of being a human, as opposed to a beast.

    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable. This includes gender.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations.
     
    To be fair, we're not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.

    The current mainstream consensus is just about gender fluidity. Doctors make a superficial guess at what gender each person belongs to at birth but children, under the guidance of appropriate adults, must make their own journey of questioning and discovery, after which doctors may need to correct their initial mistakes by chemical and surgical means.

    For the time being, this is all you are required to believe in if you want to keep your job at big corporations, the MSM, academia and most of the education system. But, strictly speaking, some barriers of the natural order are still maintained.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  385. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Which to be fair was Jesus' point. We are supposed to worship in Spirit and in Truth as one with our being, not as a box checking exercise to get on the right side of a pissed off Sky Chief.

    As far as the Chesterson quote, I would think of it this way:

    Take God in the quote as being the Ultimate Transcendent which is the ground of reality and gives context and limitation to all of creation.

    If one has a faith in this, which is not limited to Christianity, then one will recognize a certain sense of order and place in creation and our place within it. Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens. So, we have limits on what we can and should do.

    We can argue over what those limits really are, but I think it is hard to believe that we should be unchained from all limits.

    Humanism believes that we really are the center of the Universe and all meaning proceeds from us. This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations. We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don't exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    So, to get back to Chesterton, if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one's moral and ethical order become unhinged. Belief in any absurdity can take root, which is certainly self-evident today in society.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don’t exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    The main problem here seems to be that you can’t technically do that in reality, at least yet – despite the cosmetic ability to chop out the dicks or boobs, nobody can change the natural limitations of inner muscle/bone density or shape or install new functioning uterus/tesicular system inside, but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.

    Usually law always followed technical abilities/improvements, but this time the cart is being stationed before the horse.

    • Agree: LatW
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    I completely agree that male and female do really exist, but we live in a society that increasingly adopts the official line that it doesn't and actively works to blur the lines further. How about if one could do a functional uterus swap? Apparently they are working on being able to do swaps from cadavers.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says "Enough!" One step inexorably leads to another...and another.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @LatW
    @sudden death


    but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.
     
    Exactly... but the problem is that when you start moving this into legislation (especially where it pertains to family law) it can have unexpected and negative consequences that can hurt the most vulnerable. Same thing in other areas as we see such as sports and fashion, where it creates major confusion and even a moral hazard (eg., trans destroying women's sports and ugly people posing as if they are top paragons of beauty - there is a difference between inclusion of all types vs insistence on accepting what is actually quite ugly or "aesthetically compromised" as beautiful).

    Replies: @sudden death

  386. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Which to be fair was Jesus' point. We are supposed to worship in Spirit and in Truth as one with our being, not as a box checking exercise to get on the right side of a pissed off Sky Chief.

    As far as the Chesterson quote, I would think of it this way:

    Take God in the quote as being the Ultimate Transcendent which is the ground of reality and gives context and limitation to all of creation.

    If one has a faith in this, which is not limited to Christianity, then one will recognize a certain sense of order and place in creation and our place within it. Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens. So, we have limits on what we can and should do.

    We can argue over what those limits really are, but I think it is hard to believe that we should be unchained from all limits.

    Humanism believes that we really are the center of the Universe and all meaning proceeds from us. This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations. We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don't exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    So, to get back to Chesterton, if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one's moral and ethical order become unhinged. Belief in any absurdity can take root, which is certainly self-evident today in society.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens.

    Agree. But humans did not get to that test yet. So far we are screwing up only the planet we totally depend on. We have no technology that would allow us to screw up someone else’s living space.

    if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one’s moral and ethical order become unhinged.

    I agree that there must be limits, and that those limits must have a source. However, I don’t see why that source must be external. I believe that every human must have an internal source of these limits. That’s the essence of being a human, as opposed to a beast.

    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable. This includes gender.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable.
     
    Nature not that rarely gives various birth defects which are now being fixed later - are those inviolable too? Or even not technically deffects but some peculiar nose/ear shape which can be changed, but does it mean it must be involiable by law also?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    An internal sense of limit is fraught with issues because we as a species seem exceptionally bad at self limiting and balance. You seem to believe that nature in a scientific sense and the human person is transcendently meaningful. But why is it transcendent or meaningful? We are constantly pushing the limits of what is possible. We possess god-like powers today to reorder existence in fundamental ways and practice them every day, so does it make sense to define our human existence by what nature (if one takes a happenstance nature to possess any transcendence or the ability to impart inviolable characteristics) has bequeathed us as an ironclad limitation?


    And if we as a species, through technology, constantly redefine the limits of possibility than why is it not also permissible to continually follow the daisy chain of innovation?

    Also, if humans have an internal source of limits that we all somehow agreed upon how does this intersect with pleasure seeking and desire? If we are really the pinnacle of reality (as far as we know so far) what is the point of our life if not seeking pleasure and avoiding pain? If someone decides they will be happy chopping off their dick and implanting a uterus how does society have any right to stand athwart that desire?

    Sorry to pose so many questions, but I think the concept of internal limits are fraught with intractable issues. It seems to me that in reality either there is some kind of external limit or anything goes.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  387. @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens.
     
    Agree. But humans did not get to that test yet. So far we are screwing up only the planet we totally depend on. We have no technology that would allow us to screw up someone else’s living space.

    if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one’s moral and ethical order become unhinged.
     
    I agree that there must be limits, and that those limits must have a source. However, I don’t see why that source must be external. I believe that every human must have an internal source of these limits. That’s the essence of being a human, as opposed to a beast.

    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable. This includes gender.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable.

    Nature not that rarely gives various birth defects which are now being fixed later – are those inviolable too? Or even not technically deffects but some peculiar nose/ear shape which can be changed, but does it mean it must be involiable by law also?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Nature not that rarely gives various birth defects which are now being fixed later – are those inviolable too?
     
    Naturally, birth defects can and should be corrected, as they make the child deviate from normal human design. The same goes for genetic disorders, many of which can be corrected by appropriate diet, some by other means.

    Gender does not make you deviate from human design (two designs, if you want to be literal). Besides, gender is encoded by the set of chromosomes that you have in every cell of your body, no matter what BS libtards spew.
  388. @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don’t exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.
     
    The main problem here seems to be that you can't technically do that in reality, at least yet - despite the cosmetic ability to chop out the dicks or boobs, nobody can change the natural limitations of inner muscle/bone density or shape or install new functioning uterus/tesicular system inside, but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.

    Usually law always followed technical abilities/improvements, but this time the cart is being stationed before the horse.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @LatW

    I completely agree that male and female do really exist, but we live in a society that increasingly adopts the official line that it doesn’t and actively works to blur the lines further. How about if one could do a functional uterus swap? Apparently they are working on being able to do swaps from cadavers.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says “Enough!” One step inexorably leads to another…and another.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    How about if one could do a functional uterus swap?
     
    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough - there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says “Enough!” One step inexorably leads to another…and another.
     
    This is the crux of the matter, and we can argue whether it is the Humanist paradigm or something else that creates this. There have always been deviations from the norm, but they have never been this accepted. My issue is not so much with the fact that they are trying to break these norms, but that once they break them they also lie and try to get everyone else on board - essentially trying to convince others to lie about reality as well.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa

  389. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don’t exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.
     
    The main problem here seems to be that you can't technically do that in reality, at least yet - despite the cosmetic ability to chop out the dicks or boobs, nobody can change the natural limitations of inner muscle/bone density or shape or install new functioning uterus/tesicular system inside, but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.

    Usually law always followed technical abilities/improvements, but this time the cart is being stationed before the horse.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @LatW

    but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.

    Exactly… but the problem is that when you start moving this into legislation (especially where it pertains to family law) it can have unexpected and negative consequences that can hurt the most vulnerable. Same thing in other areas as we see such as sports and fashion, where it creates major confusion and even a moral hazard (eg., trans destroying women’s sports and ugly people posing as if they are top paragons of beauty – there is a difference between inclusion of all types vs insistence on accepting what is actually quite ugly or “aesthetically compromised” as beautiful).

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LatW


    ugly vs beautiful
     
    People are different though - what somebody considers ugly others might find as a turn on. Usually it's a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if one finds MTG or Lizzo with their individual peculiar features as very attractive dream females, lol

    Replies: @LatW

  390. sounds like the Russian flanks around Bakhmut are buckling

  391. @LatW
    @sudden death


    but legally is trying to push such fiction as existing.
     
    Exactly... but the problem is that when you start moving this into legislation (especially where it pertains to family law) it can have unexpected and negative consequences that can hurt the most vulnerable. Same thing in other areas as we see such as sports and fashion, where it creates major confusion and even a moral hazard (eg., trans destroying women's sports and ugly people posing as if they are top paragons of beauty - there is a difference between inclusion of all types vs insistence on accepting what is actually quite ugly or "aesthetically compromised" as beautiful).

    Replies: @sudden death

    ugly vs beautiful

    People are different though – what somebody considers ugly others might find as a turn on. Usually it’s a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if one finds MTG or Lizzo with their individual peculiar features as very attractive dream females, lol

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    People are different though – what somebody considers ugly other might find as a turn on. Usually it’s a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if somebody finds MTG or Lizzo as very attractive dream females, lol
     
    Of course, people are different, with different tastes, with different abilities. There are also original, unusual types of beauty out there (even if the classical ideal is stable). But my point was that a male trans is very rarely beautiful, no matter how hard they try, and a female trans is never really truly masculine, no matter how hard they try. This is a different issue from having various tastes. Someone can have an alternative look, but still be very attractive and sexually normative, but not these trannies.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William

  392. LatW says:
    @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    I completely agree that male and female do really exist, but we live in a society that increasingly adopts the official line that it doesn't and actively works to blur the lines further. How about if one could do a functional uterus swap? Apparently they are working on being able to do swaps from cadavers.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says "Enough!" One step inexorably leads to another...and another.

    Replies: @LatW

    How about if one could do a functional uterus swap?

    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough – there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says “Enough!” One step inexorably leads to another…and another.

    This is the crux of the matter, and we can argue whether it is the Humanist paradigm or something else that creates this. There have always been deviations from the norm, but they have never been this accepted. My issue is not so much with the fact that they are trying to break these norms, but that once they break them they also lie and try to get everyone else on board – essentially trying to convince others to lie about reality as well.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    IVG (in-vitro gametogenesis) could result in artificial eggs being made from male DNA and artificial sperm being made from female DNA as well as artificial eggs and artificial sperm being made from skin cells from a person of any age.

    , @Barbarossa
    @LatW


    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough – there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.
     
    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible? Is your objection to trannies fundamental or just a reaction to our current imperfect technological mastery?

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption. I don't even like hair color or make-up for this reason as I think it can be a slippery slope for insecurities although I think it is perfectly well and good to take good care of oneself and make oneself attractive and presentable.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  393. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Did he get ratings?

    CNN is a business.

    Replies: @A123

    Did he get ratings? CNN is a business.

    Is water wet? (1)

    According to Mediaite, citing Nielsen Fast National data, CNN scored 3.12 million total viewers – of which a whopping 703,000 were from the coveted 25-54 age demographic.

    Fox News came in second place for the night, with 1.412 million viewers, followed by MSNBC, which had 1.372 million. In the 25-54 demo, MSNBC topped Fox with 155,000 vs. 125,000 viewers.

    Early data does not reflect the town hall’s full viewership as later numbers will, additionally, both CNN.com and CNN’s apps aired the town live as well, numbers which will be released later in the day. -Mediaite

    3 million is much lower than the actual. A bunch of people refused to watch live CNN and picked it up on replay.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-effect-cnn-ratings-explode-after-town-hall

  394. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    @LatW


    ugly vs beautiful
     
    People are different though - what somebody considers ugly others might find as a turn on. Usually it's a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if one finds MTG or Lizzo with their individual peculiar features as very attractive dream females, lol

    Replies: @LatW

    People are different though – what somebody considers ugly other might find as a turn on. Usually it’s a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if somebody finds MTG or Lizzo as very attractive dream females, lol

    Of course, people are different, with different tastes, with different abilities. There are also original, unusual types of beauty out there (even if the classical ideal is stable). But my point was that a male trans is very rarely beautiful, no matter how hard they try, and a female trans is never really truly masculine, no matter how hard they try. This is a different issue from having various tastes. Someone can have an alternative look, but still be very attractive and sexually normative, but not these trannies.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    F1NN5TER is a male-to-female cross-dresser (albeit at best cisgender genderfluid rather than trans) and he looks extremely nice. This Korean male-to-female crossdresser looks even nicer:

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/shorts

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I've noticed that lot's of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe

    Replies: @LatW

  395. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ... Silesia was Frederick the Great’s giant trophy
     
    Silesia was what made Prussia eventually dominant within Germany - rich, industrious region. Prussia took it from Habsburgs, not Poland. Previous to that Silesia was a part of the Czech crown lands.

    There was no ethnic, historical or geographic reason for Poland to take it, Churchill was against it till the end. Silesia was given to Poland as a very generous gift by Russia after Russia lost half a million soldiers liberating Poland. Poles were slated by Germans to disappear, to not exist, to be gone. They live because of Russian sacrifices.

    The cosmic ingratitude that the Poles are showing is fatal. The universe is not perfect, but there is harmony, eventually the Poles will pay a high price - all their equivocation, Anglo-love, fake history, hatred, will come back to haunt them. As in the past.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages. If Zionists could claim Palestine based on 2,000-year-old history, why can’t Poles do the same for Silesia with somewhat more recent history?

    Also, Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary had they agreed to ally with Hitler early enough. Heck, even allying with Hitler late or at least quickly submitting to Hitler would have probably resulted in a Czech scenario for Poland. But a Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages.
     
    Sure it was, hundreds of years ago. And also Czech, Habsburg and a part of the German Empire. It was not in any sense "Polish", the population was German with few local 'Silesians' in the very east. There was simply no Polish claim - it was a gift to Poland by Russia. Without Russian sacrificing half a million soldiers this was not even a possibility. Russia was trying to be friendly and it backfired - as it always does when Russia tries to be nice. The hatreds of the beneficiaries are not curable. I am nor sure Russia will ever learn that lesson.

    Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary
     
    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934 - they were the first Nazi ally, even before Italy. But it couldn't work: the map was unforgiving and the point of German Nazism was 'lebensraum' - living space for Germans: Poland was directly in the way - Hungary wasn't and they are not Slavs so they got some breaks. It simply was not possible - it would go directly against the core Nazi belief.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.
     
    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed and the Polish Jews were the first ones targeted. The only Polish Jews who were saved were around 1 million who were evacuated by Russians after M-R to the east. Without M-R treaty they would be murdered too. The choices at that time were all bad, but you like to focus only on one side's choices.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

  396. @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens.
     
    Agree. But humans did not get to that test yet. So far we are screwing up only the planet we totally depend on. We have no technology that would allow us to screw up someone else’s living space.

    if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one’s moral and ethical order become unhinged.
     
    I agree that there must be limits, and that those limits must have a source. However, I don’t see why that source must be external. I believe that every human must have an internal source of these limits. That’s the essence of being a human, as opposed to a beast.

    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable. This includes gender.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Barbarossa

    An internal sense of limit is fraught with issues because we as a species seem exceptionally bad at self limiting and balance. You seem to believe that nature in a scientific sense and the human person is transcendently meaningful. But why is it transcendent or meaningful? We are constantly pushing the limits of what is possible. We possess god-like powers today to reorder existence in fundamental ways and practice them every day, so does it make sense to define our human existence by what nature (if one takes a happenstance nature to possess any transcendence or the ability to impart inviolable characteristics) has bequeathed us as an ironclad limitation?

    And if we as a species, through technology, constantly redefine the limits of possibility than why is it not also permissible to continually follow the daisy chain of innovation?

    Also, if humans have an internal source of limits that we all somehow agreed upon how does this intersect with pleasure seeking and desire? If we are really the pinnacle of reality (as far as we know so far) what is the point of our life if not seeking pleasure and avoiding pain? If someone decides they will be happy chopping off their dick and implanting a uterus how does society have any right to stand athwart that desire?

    Sorry to pose so many questions, but I think the concept of internal limits are fraught with intractable issues. It seems to me that in reality either there is some kind of external limit or anything goes.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    If someone decides they will be happy chopping off their dick and implanting a uterus how does society have any right to stand athwart that desire?
     
    If a person is happy thinking that he is Napoleon, he is perfectly free to think that, but in a lunatic asylum, where other people are protected from that “thinker”. As to things that involve surgery, they cannot be accomplished without other people. Just like you wouldn’t help a hallucinating patient catch a little green crocodile s/he sees, you should not help other mentally disturbed people in any way except getting them to a psychiatrist.

    I think the concept of internal limits are fraught with intractable issues. It seems to me that in reality either there is some kind of external limit or anything goes.
     
    In a way, these limits are external to an individual existing among other individuals, which serve as the limits (your rights end where someone else’s rights begin).
  397. @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    How about if one could do a functional uterus swap?
     
    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough - there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says “Enough!” One step inexorably leads to another…and another.
     
    This is the crux of the matter, and we can argue whether it is the Humanist paradigm or something else that creates this. There have always been deviations from the norm, but they have never been this accepted. My issue is not so much with the fact that they are trying to break these norms, but that once they break them they also lie and try to get everyone else on board - essentially trying to convince others to lie about reality as well.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa

    IVG (in-vitro gametogenesis) could result in artificial eggs being made from male DNA and artificial sperm being made from female DNA as well as artificial eggs and artificial sperm being made from skin cells from a person of any age.

  398. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Christian ones have done it for so long that they are mostly harmless. When they are gone or undermined, the society gets worse not better.
     
    Let’s stick to facts. Many societies that formerly believed in Christian God are getting worse. However, the majority of humans did not adhere to that particular religion. Interestingly, the societies that believed in a different God (or several different Gods) are mostly not getting worse. A hypothesis: what is currently happening in the societies that are getting worse is the consequence of Christianity.

    On a more general note, if a person behaves decently out of fear of punishment in the afterlife, this is not a sign of morality, this is a sign of cowardice. A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Barbarossa, @Sean

    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.

    Kant. But he always implied that the morally pure would win through to a success in the end.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Sean


    Kant. But he always implied that the morally pure would win through to a success in the end.
     
    Kant also formulated “proofs” of the existence of a God. People who bothered to read these “proofs” are still laughing decades later. So, Kant turned out to be useful: laughing extends life.
  399. @LatW
    @sudden death


    People are different though – what somebody considers ugly other might find as a turn on. Usually it’s a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if somebody finds MTG or Lizzo as very attractive dream females, lol
     
    Of course, people are different, with different tastes, with different abilities. There are also original, unusual types of beauty out there (even if the classical ideal is stable). But my point was that a male trans is very rarely beautiful, no matter how hard they try, and a female trans is never really truly masculine, no matter how hard they try. This is a different issue from having various tastes. Someone can have an alternative look, but still be very attractive and sexually normative, but not these trannies.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William

    F1NN5TER is a male-to-female cross-dresser (albeit at best cisgender genderfluid rather than trans) and he looks extremely nice. This Korean male-to-female crossdresser looks even nicer:

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/shorts

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.

    2 Have you never been unpleasantly surprised at seeing a character from sexy videos in real life after and realizing it was 99% camera magic?

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

  400. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    These limits also mean that what nature gave each one of us is inviolable.
     
    Nature not that rarely gives various birth defects which are now being fixed later - are those inviolable too? Or even not technically deffects but some peculiar nose/ear shape which can be changed, but does it mean it must be involiable by law also?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Nature not that rarely gives various birth defects which are now being fixed later – are those inviolable too?

    Naturally, birth defects can and should be corrected, as they make the child deviate from normal human design. The same goes for genetic disorders, many of which can be corrected by appropriate diet, some by other means.

    Gender does not make you deviate from human design (two designs, if you want to be literal). Besides, gender is encoded by the set of chromosomes that you have in every cell of your body, no matter what BS libtards spew.

  401. @LatW
    @sudden death


    People are different though – what somebody considers ugly other might find as a turn on. Usually it’s a tiny minority, but who am I to judge if somebody finds MTG or Lizzo as very attractive dream females, lol
     
    Of course, people are different, with different tastes, with different abilities. There are also original, unusual types of beauty out there (even if the classical ideal is stable). But my point was that a male trans is very rarely beautiful, no matter how hard they try, and a female trans is never really truly masculine, no matter how hard they try. This is a different issue from having various tastes. Someone can have an alternative look, but still be very attractive and sexually normative, but not these trannies.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Greasy William

    I’ve noticed that lot’s of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’ve noticed that lot’s of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe
     
    I know what you mean, however, it is not a lot. This is not their first preference. Also the kind of black women these white men like are not the typical black American female.

    It is, of course, not ideal, to put it mildly. however, this type of coupling (most of them are probably flings), is not as problematic as a white female with a non-white male, because the male material is less scarce than the female one. Unless you talk about long term commitment, in which case it is not great indeed.


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male. Sorry, all children should be loved, of course, but this is just plain true.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

  402. @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    How about if one could do a functional uterus swap?
     
    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough - there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.

    My main point is that in a Humanist paradigm the cart will be ahead of the horse because there are no
    fundamental checks on the system. There is never a point where man on his own says “Enough!” One step inexorably leads to another…and another.
     
    This is the crux of the matter, and we can argue whether it is the Humanist paradigm or something else that creates this. There have always been deviations from the norm, but they have never been this accepted. My issue is not so much with the fact that they are trying to break these norms, but that once they break them they also lie and try to get everyone else on board - essentially trying to convince others to lie about reality as well.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa

    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough – there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.

    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible? Is your objection to trannies fundamental or just a reaction to our current imperfect technological mastery?

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption. I don’t even like hair color or make-up for this reason as I think it can be a slippery slope for insecurities although I think it is perfectly well and good to take good care of oneself and make oneself attractive and presentable.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa


    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself.
     
    Exactly. Otherwise the person (sometimes almost the whole nation) suffers from complexes, which are the first step to insanity. Insanity leads to maladaptive behavior, ultimately to self-destruction. Although in some cases the others have a perfect right to say “good riddance”.
    , @LatW
    @Barbarossa


    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible?
     
    But even then it would only be "aesthetically passable" (and even that is highly questionable - you cannot change the bone structure since that is already formed in the first trimester, this is one of their biggest peeves), we can question if the psychology would change and fall in line with the natural differences between male and female (it is clear it wouldn't). So we're talking about inherent limits, imo. My issue is not about aesthetics so much (although that too is important), but about the consequences on society which, when you ignore these intrinsic psychological differences, can bring harm in some cases. This is a discussion that needs to be had, since these extremely important aspects are being ignored.

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption.
     
    Absolutely, the goal is to try to achieve this while trying to improve oneself. This will sound cliche, but it should all be about balance (some individuals will take it further, others not so much - make-up can be attractive and normal to like in women, but you're right that taking it too far is not ideal either).

    @Mr XYZ


    IVG (in-vitro gametogenesis)... as well as artificial eggs and artificial sperm being made from skin cells from a person of any age.
     
    Yes, I'm aware of these technologies, but this is already going very far (with unknowns). All of the things mentioned above need to be combined in a certain way that creates a gender (or fall into place). Even if they do manage to recreate reproductive cells, we don't know where the gender specialized behaviors that are hardwired really come from, we cannot change psychology, certain instincts that are primal, behaviors that are natural. It's the ignoring of these aspects that is the most annoying. A father is not the same as the mother - and never will be. And vice versa.

    We see very well that the so called "trans women" very often retain the male aggressiveness and ruthlessness. This is exactly why they are a problem. Of course, I'm not blaming every single one of these individuals (many of whom struggle), but the ones that promote this, the ones who come on top, are in fact predatory males that strive for dominance one way or another. Same with the so called trans males, those are lesbians that, while they appear somewhat more masculine outwardly, internally are way more nurturing, responsive, inclusive than any male.

    But the bigger question is - is this really needed? Why? Why do we need to create reproductive cells artificially?


    This Korean male-to-female crossdresser looks even nicer:
     
    Not really, these are too stick like (no natural curves). Plus, these are Asians who are less sexually dimorphic (and mostly not within the scope of interest for whites). The most obnoxious ones are the Northern Euro males who try to be females. Those ones are the most aggressive and also look the worst. You can't change the male jaw or shoulders (thankfully, but not so much for them). And they are also sublimating their internal male aggression into their socially dominant behaviors. Those with the higher IQs are the scariest.
  403. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    An internal sense of limit is fraught with issues because we as a species seem exceptionally bad at self limiting and balance. You seem to believe that nature in a scientific sense and the human person is transcendently meaningful. But why is it transcendent or meaningful? We are constantly pushing the limits of what is possible. We possess god-like powers today to reorder existence in fundamental ways and practice them every day, so does it make sense to define our human existence by what nature (if one takes a happenstance nature to possess any transcendence or the ability to impart inviolable characteristics) has bequeathed us as an ironclad limitation?


    And if we as a species, through technology, constantly redefine the limits of possibility than why is it not also permissible to continually follow the daisy chain of innovation?

    Also, if humans have an internal source of limits that we all somehow agreed upon how does this intersect with pleasure seeking and desire? If we are really the pinnacle of reality (as far as we know so far) what is the point of our life if not seeking pleasure and avoiding pain? If someone decides they will be happy chopping off their dick and implanting a uterus how does society have any right to stand athwart that desire?

    Sorry to pose so many questions, but I think the concept of internal limits are fraught with intractable issues. It seems to me that in reality either there is some kind of external limit or anything goes.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If someone decides they will be happy chopping off their dick and implanting a uterus how does society have any right to stand athwart that desire?

    If a person is happy thinking that he is Napoleon, he is perfectly free to think that, but in a lunatic asylum, where other people are protected from that “thinker”. As to things that involve surgery, they cannot be accomplished without other people. Just like you wouldn’t help a hallucinating patient catch a little green crocodile s/he sees, you should not help other mentally disturbed people in any way except getting them to a psychiatrist.

    I think the concept of internal limits are fraught with intractable issues. It seems to me that in reality either there is some kind of external limit or anything goes.

    In a way, these limits are external to an individual existing among other individuals, which serve as the limits (your rights end where someone else’s rights begin).

  404. Sean says:
    @sudden death
    @Sean

    According to RF side, UA already has started counterratack at least locally around Bakhmut&Soledar:

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpTXbbpG/UA-counter.jpg

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100508

    Zoperation fans should be calm though as "1991 Iraq army 2.0" cosplay is obviously improving and should come out victorious this time:

    https://i.postimg.cc/MT93K3mQ/t55.jpg

    https://t.me/milinfolive/100495

    Replies: @Sean

    There is a big difference, Russia really does have weapons of mass destruction ; in fact its nuclear arsenal is essentially equivalent to America’s and so Russia could destroy America just as easily as America could destroy Russia. Therefore America’s aim is to erode Russian will without making them desperate. Put another way it is boiling a frog. Tactical not operational level successes are what Ukraine is going to be helped to achieve. Hence no ATACMS , F16s or jamming the Russian version of GPS that their guided missiles depend on.

    There have been two big successes for Ukraine First was the result of the Russian army being ordered to concentrate of speed of advance and the Ukrainians allowing them in them attacking vulnerable strung out columns. The Kharkov offensive was light forces infiltration and psyops mainly because Russians ran away away after going on social media and seeing Ukrainian flags planted in villages behind them, wrongly assuming that they were about to have by powerful Ukrainian pincers close on them. But those surprisingly great victories alarmed America by demonstrating how easily a complete breakdown of command and control in the Russian army might come about if Ukraine was allowed to apply serious pressure per deep strike precision weapons and a real combined arms offensive.

    Kherson was a very limited success, The Russians foolishly over extended across a natural geographical barrier. with choke points. Russia could so easily have lost 20,000 of their best professional troops (VDV), but the US seems to have bee unwilling to let Ukraine put them on the bag, or even interfere with the withdrawal back across the river. So maybe the reason the much heralded counter offensive South to cut off Crimea is being cancelled until further notice is that the US is frightened it might work far too well

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
  405. @Barbarossa
    @LatW


    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough – there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.
     
    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible? Is your objection to trannies fundamental or just a reaction to our current imperfect technological mastery?

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption. I don't even like hair color or make-up for this reason as I think it can be a slippery slope for insecurities although I think it is perfectly well and good to take good care of oneself and make oneself attractive and presentable.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself.

    Exactly. Otherwise the person (sometimes almost the whole nation) suffers from complexes, which are the first step to insanity. Insanity leads to maladaptive behavior, ultimately to self-destruction. Although in some cases the others have a perfect right to say “good riddance”.

  406. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    F1NN5TER is a male-to-female cross-dresser (albeit at best cisgender genderfluid rather than trans) and he looks extremely nice. This Korean male-to-female crossdresser looks even nicer:

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/videos

    https://www.youtube.com/@JIYOONTV/shorts

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.

    2 Have you never been unpleasantly surprised at seeing a character from sexy videos in real life after and realizing it was 99% camera magic?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    >Crying Game

    There was an episode of Father Ted which mentioned that movie.
    Never did see much of that TV show, but it seemed really subversive.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.
     
    Dicks are just organic strap-ons lol! :D ;)
  407. • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Print out and save this chart. Look at it three months from now. Then keep looking every three months. You can stop doing that after you puke on it.

  408. @sudden death
    https://i.postimg.cc/4yH7zc63/balance-of-power.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Print out and save this chart. Look at it three months from now. Then keep looking every three months. You can stop doing that after you puke on it.

  409. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Dogs are less useful in hotter climes, one reason being that they overheat quickly due to being quadrupeds (and mostly not efficient runners) evolved in Northern climes. Perhaps, this helps explain their lower status in Semitic cultures.
     
    It fits with my experience, there is a stereotype of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis that they tend to dislike the presence of dogs, whereas they are reasonably popular and valued by most European groups (apart from the Swiss for some reason if the stats in that map were accurate). It's interesting that there is more behind the Aryan dog idea than it might first seem.

    My thought is that dogs did not make it into much of subSahara until relatively recently (and wolves are obviously not native to Africa) which probably makes the theory extremely politically incorrect.
     
    At the moment it would be definitely be better to keep this part of the theory hidden. I can see a lot of people might find the general idea of dogs having played a significant role in shaping human evolution appealing.

    Some peoples claim descent from dogs. Others have myths that dogs brought them their first grain. The genes of dogs have been influenced by the Neolithic – they have more copies of amylase than wolves. I wonder whether lactose tolerance ultimately was made possible by dogs.
     
    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed? Later when they became Christian they created a certain class of saint, the cynocelaphi, who for one reason or another ended up having their normal head replaced with a dog's, they might also have mystical dogs as companions and guardians.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @songbird

    It’s kind of funny, when you go all the way North, and that seems to be the extremis of the usefulness of dogs. Huskies can run 40 miles in day or 100 miles if they are in training. Of course, they have peculiar metabolic adaptations.

    Probably their dogs was the reason the Thule were able to destroy the Dorset and take over their territory.

    BTW, I’m not entirely convinced of the idea that dogs led to more sympathetic people. For one thing, in the past, I think it was typical to kill many puppies for population control.

    I know the Egyptians liked dog-headed men as well, I think some of their classical gods are dog-headed?

    I’ve always conceived of Anubis as a jackal, but I’m not entirely sure about it.

    Curiously, both cats and dogs seem to be banned from many public spaces in Saudi.

  410. LatW says:
    @Barbarossa
    @LatW


    The uterus is a fantastic organ, but it alone is not enough – there is no way to replicate eggs, ovaries, the hormonal system (although with the latter they have been able to go very far). The uterus functions for a very long time, unlike the eggs that fade much quicker. This is not something that can be changed so easily even with current technologies.
     
    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible? Is your objection to trannies fundamental or just a reaction to our current imperfect technological mastery?

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption. I don't even like hair color or make-up for this reason as I think it can be a slippery slope for insecurities although I think it is perfectly well and good to take good care of oneself and make oneself attractive and presentable.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Certainly, but what my rhetorical question was asking was whether we are talking about technological limits or inherent limits. If we got to the point that male could be transformed through very extensive surgery to a fully functional and aesthetically passable woman would that make it permissible?

    But even then it would only be “aesthetically passable” (and even that is highly questionable – you cannot change the bone structure since that is already formed in the first trimester, this is one of their biggest peeves), we can question if the psychology would change and fall in line with the natural differences between male and female (it is clear it wouldn’t). So we’re talking about inherent limits, imo. My issue is not about aesthetics so much (although that too is important), but about the consequences on society which, when you ignore these intrinsic psychological differences, can bring harm in some cases. This is a discussion that needs to be had, since these extremely important aspects are being ignored.

    Personally, I would say that there is an intrinsic good to accepting oneself as one finds oneself. We have to get over ourselves or we will be forever lost in narcissistic self-absorption.

    Absolutely, the goal is to try to achieve this while trying to improve oneself. This will sound cliche, but it should all be about balance (some individuals will take it further, others not so much – make-up can be attractive and normal to like in women, but you’re right that taking it too far is not ideal either).

    @Mr XYZ

    IVG (in-vitro gametogenesis)… as well as artificial eggs and artificial sperm being made from skin cells from a person of any age.

    Yes, I’m aware of these technologies, but this is already going very far (with unknowns). All of the things mentioned above need to be combined in a certain way that creates a gender (or fall into place). Even if they do manage to recreate reproductive cells, we don’t know where the gender specialized behaviors that are hardwired really come from, we cannot change psychology, certain instincts that are primal, behaviors that are natural. It’s the ignoring of these aspects that is the most annoying. A father is not the same as the mother – and never will be. And vice versa.

    We see very well that the so called “trans women” very often retain the male aggressiveness and ruthlessness. This is exactly why they are a problem. Of course, I’m not blaming every single one of these individuals (many of whom struggle), but the ones that promote this, the ones who come on top, are in fact predatory males that strive for dominance one way or another. Same with the so called trans males, those are lesbians that, while they appear somewhat more masculine outwardly, internally are way more nurturing, responsive, inclusive than any male.

    But the bigger question is – is this really needed? Why? Why do we need to create reproductive cells artificially?

    This Korean male-to-female crossdresser looks even nicer:

    Not really, these are too stick like (no natural curves). Plus, these are Asians who are less sexually dimorphic (and mostly not within the scope of interest for whites). The most obnoxious ones are the Northern Euro males who try to be females. Those ones are the most aggressive and also look the worst. You can’t change the male jaw or shoulders (thankfully, but not so much for them). And they are also sublimating their internal male aggression into their socially dominant behaviors. Those with the higher IQs are the scariest.

  411. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/sunken-pirate-stronghold-at-port-royal

    Replies: @songbird

    I recall seeing a TV show about Port Royal years ago.
    ____
    There was a pirate treasure (sunken ship) found on Cape Cod in 1984. The guy looking for it made some local presentation about what he knew about it, and one of the old ladies found him afterward and showed some necklace she got when her ancestors were combing the beach (all the locals were, at the time.)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whydah_Gally

    AC Doyle created a pirate character called ‘Captain Sharkey.’. Sounds corny but ‘Sharkey’ is also a real surname, IIRC.

  412. @Sean
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Kant. But he always implied that the morally pure would win through to a success in the end.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Kant. But he always implied that the morally pure would win through to a success in the end.

    Kant also formulated “proofs” of the existence of a God. People who bothered to read these “proofs” are still laughing decades later. So, Kant turned out to be useful: laughing extends life.

  413. LatW says:
    @Greasy William
    @LatW

    I've noticed that lot's of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe

    Replies: @LatW

    I’ve noticed that lot’s of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe

    I know what you mean, however, it is not a lot. This is not their first preference. Also the kind of black women these white men like are not the typical black American female.

    It is, of course, not ideal, to put it mildly. however, this type of coupling (most of them are probably flings), is not as problematic as a white female with a non-white male, because the male material is less scarce than the female one. Unless you talk about long term commitment, in which case it is not great indeed.

    [MORE]

    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male. Sorry, all children should be loved, of course, but this is just plain true.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    the male material is less scarce than the female one
     
    The number of females is the rate-limiting factor in the reproduction of any two-gender species, including humans and other apes. Farmers know that well: one male is sufficient for hundreds of cows, sows, or mares.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Greasy William
    @LatW


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male
     
    Jesus christ. Wow.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

  414. S says:
    @Greasy William
    @S

    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia? I can't see that happening.

    Replies: @Matra, @S

    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia?

    While I in no way desire such a conflict, I can easily see it taking place. The United States with it’s shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies is only one step away now from a war with Russia. I don’t think the near religious devotion of the US/UK to recreating every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.

    Am also taking into account the cosmology of the various peoples involved.

    I can’t see that happening.

    We’ll probably just have to agree to disagree, though I’d much rather you be right.

    • Replies: @A123
    @S


    The United States with it’s shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies
     
    Except this is not happening. The European Empire is shamelessly using Ukraine & the United States as proxies.

    the near religious devotion of the US/UK
     
    This does not exist. Do you mean the Globalist cult lead from Davos, Paris, & Berlin?

    every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.
     
    There are significant differences. Most important -- The next President of America is giving coded but clear messages that he will no longer be a vassal to Berlin & Paris.

    Therefore, the European Empire has no path to anything resembling victory. They cannot spend over €5 billion per month on Kiev aggression. Even if they had the money, Germany's ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs. The EU offensive will run out of firepower long before Scholz & Macron push Russia into using nukes.

    Time is on Putin's side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

  415. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’ve noticed that lot’s of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe
     
    I know what you mean, however, it is not a lot. This is not their first preference. Also the kind of black women these white men like are not the typical black American female.

    It is, of course, not ideal, to put it mildly. however, this type of coupling (most of them are probably flings), is not as problematic as a white female with a non-white male, because the male material is less scarce than the female one. Unless you talk about long term commitment, in which case it is not great indeed.


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male. Sorry, all children should be loved, of course, but this is just plain true.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    the male material is less scarce than the female one

    The number of females is the rate-limiting factor in the reproduction of any two-gender species, including humans and other apes. Farmers know that well: one male is sufficient for hundreds of cows, sows, or mares.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    This is why the young white female needs to be sheltered, and the white alpha male should be controlled, too, within reasonable limits (that was the point). And this is why a normal female is not the same as a "trans woman".

    Deep inside these s*theads know this, they just don't want to admit it. They are fighting against reality.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  416. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    the male material is less scarce than the female one
     
    The number of females is the rate-limiting factor in the reproduction of any two-gender species, including humans and other apes. Farmers know that well: one male is sufficient for hundreds of cows, sows, or mares.

    Replies: @LatW

    This is why the young white female needs to be sheltered, and the white alpha male should be controlled, too, within reasonable limits (that was the point). And this is why a normal female is not the same as a “trans woman”.

    Deep inside these s*theads know this, they just don’t want to admit it. They are fighting against reality.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    And this is why a normal female is not the same as a “trans woman”.
     
    You are preaching to the choir. “Trans women” make me puke (same as “trans men”, or gays kissing in public). For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.

    Replies: @LatW

  417. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.

    2 Have you never been unpleasantly surprised at seeing a character from sexy videos in real life after and realizing it was 99% camera magic?

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    >Crying Game

    There was an episode of Father Ted which mentioned that movie.
    Never did see much of that TV show, but it seemed really subversive.

  418. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    This is why the young white female needs to be sheltered, and the white alpha male should be controlled, too, within reasonable limits (that was the point). And this is why a normal female is not the same as a "trans woman".

    Deep inside these s*theads know this, they just don't want to admit it. They are fighting against reality.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    And this is why a normal female is not the same as a “trans woman”.

    You are preaching to the choir. “Trans women” make me puke (same as “trans men”, or gays kissing in public). For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.
     
    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  419. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    And this is why a normal female is not the same as a “trans woman”.
     
    You are preaching to the choir. “Trans women” make me puke (same as “trans men”, or gays kissing in public). For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.

    Replies: @LatW

    For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.

    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).
     
    Generally speaking, lesbians are just as unnatural as gays. However, most of them became lesbians as a secondary reaction to bad experience with men or lack of male attention.

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man. There are few things that disgust me absolutely: I despise traitors, informers, sneaks, and snitches of all stripes regardless of their gender. In my eyes these kinds of scum are irredeemable. Everything else I would forgive a woman, but not necessarily a man.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW, @John Johnson

  420. A123 says: • Website
    @S
    @Greasy William


    So you anticipate a direct clash between the US and Russia?
     
    While I in no way desire such a conflict, I can easily see it taking place. The United States with it's shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies is only one step away now from a war with Russia. I don't think the near religious devotion of the US/UK to recreating every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.

    Am also taking into account the cosmology of the various peoples involved.

    I can’t see that happening.
     
    We'll probably just have to agree to disagree, though I'd much rather you be right.

    Replies: @A123

    The United States with it’s shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies

    Except this is not happening. The European Empire is shamelessly using Ukraine & the United States as proxies.

    the near religious devotion of the US/UK

    This does not exist. Do you mean the Globalist cult lead from Davos, Paris, & Berlin?

    every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.

    There are significant differences. Most important — The next President of America is giving coded but clear messages that he will no longer be a vassal to Berlin & Paris.

    Therefore, the European Empire has no path to anything resembling victory. They cannot spend over €5 billion per month on Kiev aggression. Even if they had the money, Germany’s ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs. The EU offensive will run out of firepower long before Scholz & Macron push Russia into using nukes.

    Time is on Putin’s side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Time is on Putin’s side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    No he can't do that and he has never cared about protecting his troops.

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    His artillery isn't good enough to be used as a shield. The Germans had better artillery tactics in 1916.

    The Russian command is worthless. They needed to take all of Donbas in an offensive and then create a massive no man's land with mines and backed by a wall of artillery.

    They didn't do that and the current conscripts are bottom of the barrel.

    This is not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    , @sudden death
    @A123


    Even if they had the money, Germany’s ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs.
     
    New gigafactories are being built in Germany, so big businesses aren't betting on energy problems being somehow significant issue regarding production abilities, even when demand will pick up:

    KIEL (dpa-AFX) - The Swedish group Northvolt is pushing ahead with the planned construction of a large battery cell factory for electric cars in Schleswig-Holstein. The federal government as well as the state government announced on Friday to support the construction of a gigafactory of Nothvolt in Heide. The request is still subject to approval by the EU Commission under state aid law, the Federal Ministry of Economics, the state government and Northvolt announced. Group CEO Peter Carlsson said that with the German government's commitment behind it, Northvolt has decided to take the next steps toward expansion.

    The requirement will unleash a billion-dollar private investment that will create 3,000 direct jobs in Heide and thousands more in surrounding industry and the service sector, the joint statement said. The annual production volume after the factory ramps up will be 60 gigawatt hours, it said, and will supply around one million electric vehicles with high-quality battery cells made in Germany.
     

    https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BMW-AG-56358353/news/Northvolt-pushes-ahead-with-construction-of-battery-factory-in-Schleswig-Holstein-43827876/

    Also:


    Natural gas futures in Europe fell more than 6% to around €34 per megawatt hour in the second week of May, the sixth consecutive week of losses and the longest losing run in over three years, due to subdued demand as the region recovers from an energy crisis. Most European countries are experiencing super low power demand at the moment, and demand for gas in power generation was lower than expected last month, even amid a sharp drop in coal burns. Strong imports of LNG and high fuel stockpiles after a mild winter have contributed to European gas stockpiles now being almost 60% full, well above the average of the past five years. However, the possibility of abnormal heat and drought this summer remains a major short-term risk.
     
    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  421. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    For whatever reason kissing lesbians do not trigger the same gag reflex.
     
    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).

    Generally speaking, lesbians are just as unnatural as gays. However, most of them became lesbians as a secondary reaction to bad experience with men or lack of male attention.

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man. There are few things that disgust me absolutely: I despise traitors, informers, sneaks, and snitches of all stripes regardless of their gender. In my eyes these kinds of scum are irredeemable. Everything else I would forgive a woman, but not necessarily a man.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man
     
    I don't even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack's picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That's frustrating.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    , @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man.
     
    Exactly. You're describing this well. Women and men should be held to different standards in many aspects, especially those aspects pertaining to the physical (and the brain, too, is largely included in the physical).

    Women and men bring different things to the table and this should be taken into the equation.

    Incidentally, trannies do not bring either of these things to the table. Yet they demand the benefits that derive from each separate sex and that each sex is entitled to. They want the status of man or woman but they don't really provide either masculine or feminine energies in the needed way. They are cheaters.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man.

    Working with liberal women will get rid of that real quick.

    If you are working with diversity hires then it will only take a few days.

  422. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN


    A moral person behaves decently without the need to fear something.
     
    Which to be fair was Jesus' point. We are supposed to worship in Spirit and in Truth as one with our being, not as a box checking exercise to get on the right side of a pissed off Sky Chief.

    As far as the Chesterson quote, I would think of it this way:

    Take God in the quote as being the Ultimate Transcendent which is the ground of reality and gives context and limitation to all of creation.

    If one has a faith in this, which is not limited to Christianity, then one will recognize a certain sense of order and place in creation and our place within it. Basically, we are asked to recognize that we are not the be all and end all. There are bigger fish in the ocean than Homo Sapiens. So, we have limits on what we can and should do.

    We can argue over what those limits really are, but I think it is hard to believe that we should be unchained from all limits.

    Humanism believes that we really are the center of the Universe and all meaning proceeds from us. This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations. We are just self-actualizing entities ultimately capable of limitless customization and self definition. Male and female don't exist, we are just sexual consumers infinitely perfectable through the correct medical procedures, product purchases, and applied techniques.

    So, to get back to Chesterton, if one rejects any Source of legitimate limits than one's moral and ethical order become unhinged. Belief in any absurdity can take root, which is certainly self-evident today in society.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations.

    To be fair, we’re not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.

    The current mainstream consensus is just about gender fluidity. Doctors make a superficial guess at what gender each person belongs to at birth but children, under the guidance of appropriate adults, must make their own journey of questioning and discovery, after which doctors may need to correct their initial mistakes by chemical and surgical means.

    For the time being, this is all you are required to believe in if you want to keep your job at big corporations, the MSM, academia and most of the education system. But, strictly speaking, some barriers of the natural order are still maintained.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel


    To be fair, we’re not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.
     
    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. Sex with an animal is certainly abnormal disgusting behavior but it's still just an act and a disordered attraction. Trans ideology overturns the fundamental understanding of reality and how it is defined and expressed.

    Zoophilia is a philosophical dead end but trans ideology blows conceptual doors wide open which can continue to be exploited to their logical end which is that we have no inherent nature and are infinitely malleable. It's the first step toward completely mainstreaming the transhumanist mindset.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

  423. @Emil Nikola Richard
    And the winner is . . .

    Romania!

    https://i.redd.it/667rxxokmfya1.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/ErZokS7.png

    Replies: @Matra, @Coconuts, @Gerard1234, @RadicalCenter

    I’ve never seen so many cats as in Türkiye. Inundated with cats. Sleeping on top of books in the bookstore, for example.

  424. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).
     
    Generally speaking, lesbians are just as unnatural as gays. However, most of them became lesbians as a secondary reaction to bad experience with men or lack of male attention.

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man. There are few things that disgust me absolutely: I despise traitors, informers, sneaks, and snitches of all stripes regardless of their gender. In my eyes these kinds of scum are irredeemable. Everything else I would forgive a woman, but not necessarily a man.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW, @John Johnson

    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man

    I don’t even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack’s picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That’s frustrating.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    I don’t even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex.
     
    I guess not. We can rationalize. First, in contrast to gays, they use the hole designed by nature for the purpose. Second, for anatomical reasons they need a dildo, so it would look like masturbation with a helper. Not really disgusting.

    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian
     
    Emotionally I move gradually. I would never like a woman much without some positive response from her. So, if she is a lesbian, I’d never progress beyond light superficial liking.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard).
     
    I had a casual friend who picked his two daughters up at daycare, drove home, and the three of them together received the news in writing that wife and mom had left, never to be heard from again one time (for 15 years), to move in with her new girlfriend. That might be up there.

    Amber Heard is not a crossover; she is a psycho.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Coconuts
    @Mikel


    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That’s frustrating.
     
    Imho there are different types of lesbian and they are more complicated than homosexual men. Some can be very militant, involved gender politics and have a girlfriend but also on the look out for men for romantic involvement on the side. Another type is a woman who is really a lesbian but has a lot of relationships and involvements with men until a certain age, but has the interest in gender politics and a 'queer' view of relationships and intersexual dynamics.

    I came across both types when I was in my 20s. In my experience the second type is more of a problem, if they are attractive.

    In the early 2000s it seems like there was some sort of fashion for women talking up their same sex experiences, as Wokechoke already said this could be weird.

    I'm not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  425. @A123
    @S


    The United States with it’s shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies
     
    Except this is not happening. The European Empire is shamelessly using Ukraine & the United States as proxies.

    the near religious devotion of the US/UK
     
    This does not exist. Do you mean the Globalist cult lead from Davos, Paris, & Berlin?

    every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.
     
    There are significant differences. Most important -- The next President of America is giving coded but clear messages that he will no longer be a vassal to Berlin & Paris.

    Therefore, the European Empire has no path to anything resembling victory. They cannot spend over €5 billion per month on Kiev aggression. Even if they had the money, Germany's ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs. The EU offensive will run out of firepower long before Scholz & Macron push Russia into using nukes.

    Time is on Putin's side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    Time is on Putin’s side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    No he can’t do that and he has never cared about protecting his troops.

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    His artillery isn’t good enough to be used as a shield. The Germans had better artillery tactics in 1916.

    The Russian command is worthless. They needed to take all of Donbas in an offensive and then create a massive no man’s land with mines and backed by a wall of artillery.

    They didn’t do that and the current conscripts are bottom of the barrel.

    This is not going to be pretty.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    It certainly won’t, but that is a lot of very bold talk. The Ukies have had it cushy so far.

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.
     
    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    Today, incredible footage came out about a Russian dude surrendering by gesturing to a Ukrainian drone, and then making what looks like a rather difficult escape from the Russian side of the frontline. This is truly spectacular. The Russian soldier gestures to the drone that he wants to surrender and the Ukrainians drop him a note telling him to surrender. Then he somehow is able to signal to them that he cannot because his side will shoot at him, they tell him to follow the drone. And he goes for it. There are explosions close to him as he runs and it looks like he passes a body in the trench. But eventually he gets to the end, good for him! Smart, young man, no need to waste his life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqKTE7Bmes

    Replies: @John Johnson

  426. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Time is on Putin’s side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    No he can't do that and he has never cared about protecting his troops.

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    His artillery isn't good enough to be used as a shield. The Germans had better artillery tactics in 1916.

    The Russian command is worthless. They needed to take all of Donbas in an offensive and then create a massive no man's land with mines and backed by a wall of artillery.

    They didn't do that and the current conscripts are bottom of the barrel.

    This is not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    It certainly won’t, but that is a lot of very bold talk. The Ukies have had it cushy so far.

  427. @LatW
    @Greasy William


    I’ve noticed that lot’s of Russian and Nordic men are very attracted to black women, whereas black women are generally not preferred by white men in America or Western Europe
     
    I know what you mean, however, it is not a lot. This is not their first preference. Also the kind of black women these white men like are not the typical black American female.

    It is, of course, not ideal, to put it mildly. however, this type of coupling (most of them are probably flings), is not as problematic as a white female with a non-white male, because the male material is less scarce than the female one. Unless you talk about long term commitment, in which case it is not great indeed.


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male. Sorry, all children should be loved, of course, but this is just plain true.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male

    Jesus christ. Wow.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    LOL. I was actually thinking the other day that I should troll a Sailer thread by saying that white men need to start going to go to Africa and start impregnating black women to combat the Great Replacement.

    Just to see what would happen.

    , @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    LatW can correct me as it is difficult to guess from forums. I recently misguess AP's personality category completely and didn't notice he was "N".

    I would guess LatW are maybe one of those personalities.

    Maybe this.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFJ

    Maybe this if the first guess is wrong.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFP

    They seem the most tolerant liberal and slavophile in the forum. It's the most rusophile culturally in the forum. If they talk to Beckow, you wouldn't know they are rusophile, to say mildly. With Greasywilliam and Yahya, you would have very different impessions.

    If internet forums had team management views, I guess it would be classic types of people you don't want on the same projects.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    That’s the based Balt bitch. Great stuff isn’t it?

  428. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man
     
    I don't even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack's picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That's frustrating.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    It is rather odd when a girl has openly expressed their sexual experience with a woman. There’s something titillating about it at first, but also something unnerving later on.

    , @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez
     
    I find that weird. If Amber Heard (or any other woman you personally found hot before learning she was lesbian) asked you to sleep with her because she wants to try some hetero fun would you be unable to satisfy her wish?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  429. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man
     
    I don't even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack's picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That's frustrating.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    I don’t even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex.

    I guess not. We can rationalize. First, in contrast to gays, they use the hole designed by nature for the purpose. Second, for anatomical reasons they need a dildo, so it would look like masturbation with a helper. Not really disgusting.

    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian

    Emotionally I move gradually. I would never like a woman much without some positive response from her. So, if she is a lesbian, I’d never progress beyond light superficial liking.

  430. @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    It is rather odd when a girl has openly expressed their sexual experience with a woman. There’s something titillating about it at first, but also something unnerving later on.

  431. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male
     
    Jesus christ. Wow.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    LOL. I was actually thinking the other day that I should troll a Sailer thread by saying that white men need to start going to go to Africa and start impregnating black women to combat the Great Replacement.

    Just to see what would happen.

  432. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).
     
    Generally speaking, lesbians are just as unnatural as gays. However, most of them became lesbians as a secondary reaction to bad experience with men or lack of male attention.

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man. There are few things that disgust me absolutely: I despise traitors, informers, sneaks, and snitches of all stripes regardless of their gender. In my eyes these kinds of scum are irredeemable. Everything else I would forgive a woman, but not necessarily a man.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW, @John Johnson

    I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man.

    Exactly. You’re describing this well. Women and men should be held to different standards in many aspects, especially those aspects pertaining to the physical (and the brain, too, is largely included in the physical).

    Women and men bring different things to the table and this should be taken into the equation.

    Incidentally, trannies do not bring either of these things to the table. Yet they demand the benefits that derive from each separate sex and that each sex is entitled to. They want the status of man or woman but they don’t really provide either masculine or feminine energies in the needed way. They are cheaters.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    They are cheaters.
     
    That too. But first and foremost, they are mentally ill people. A sane person would never even think of changing his/her gender. Even a borderline lunatic wouldn’t. To become a tranny, a person has to be seriously crazy. A guy who think they he is Napoleon or Julius Caesar is saner than a guy who thinks that he is a woman.

    Replies: @LatW

  433. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    This is why Transgenderism is the high holy sacrament of modern progressivism. It is the ultimate rejection of all limits and concepts of natural order or limitations.
     
    To be fair, we're not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.

    The current mainstream consensus is just about gender fluidity. Doctors make a superficial guess at what gender each person belongs to at birth but children, under the guidance of appropriate adults, must make their own journey of questioning and discovery, after which doctors may need to correct their initial mistakes by chemical and surgical means.

    For the time being, this is all you are required to believe in if you want to keep your job at big corporations, the MSM, academia and most of the education system. But, strictly speaking, some barriers of the natural order are still maintained.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    To be fair, we’re not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.

    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. Sex with an animal is certainly abnormal disgusting behavior but it’s still just an act and a disordered attraction. Trans ideology overturns the fundamental understanding of reality and how it is defined and expressed.

    Zoophilia is a philosophical dead end but trans ideology blows conceptual doors wide open which can continue to be exploited to their logical end which is that we have no inherent nature and are infinitely malleable. It’s the first step toward completely mainstreaming the transhumanist mindset.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa

    The idea of an artificial womb has been in sci-fi for many years. If human life reaches 1,000+ years and female fertility is limited to ~50, the concept become necessary. Frank Herbert's Tleilaxu is a grim example. Peter Hamilton presented a more constructive use.

    However, none of this excuses current day trans deviance. Interaction between groomers and children is anathema, punishable by extreme sanction. Normalization and acceptance are non-viable.

    Strong churches could express minimal tolerance, without crossing the line. Ostracization rather than summary execution. Weak churches are failing in large numbers. The future is smaller and simpler, more traditional. More OT sanctions, and less NT softness.

    In 100+ years perhaps artificial wombs will be commonly available technology. However, to survive until then, protecting current biology is obviously essential.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. 
     
    Yes, that's the half empty bottle view of what I said. We're still not in a free-for-all situation. There are still limits. But the fact that the children mutilation insanity has become mainstream without most of us even realizing how we arrived here is concerning. This either dies under the weight of its own absurdity or we haven't seen anything yet.
  434. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man
     
    I don't even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack's picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That's frustrating.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard).

    I had a casual friend who picked his two daughters up at daycare, drove home, and the three of them together received the news in writing that wife and mom had left, never to be heard from again one time (for 15 years), to move in with her new girlfriend. That might be up there.

    Amber Heard is not a crossover; she is a psycho.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Amber Heard is not a crossover; she is a psycho.
     
    Well, I did't follow the details of the story but she has to be if the freak Depp is the best partner she could find. But a beautiful psycho nonetheless.

    My wife did once say that the freak has "something" though, that characteristically feminine expression that leaves you as clueless as before.
  435. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @A123

    Time is on Putin’s side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    No he can't do that and he has never cared about protecting his troops.

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    His artillery isn't good enough to be used as a shield. The Germans had better artillery tactics in 1916.

    The Russian command is worthless. They needed to take all of Donbas in an offensive and then create a massive no man's land with mines and backed by a wall of artillery.

    They didn't do that and the current conscripts are bottom of the barrel.

    This is not going to be pretty.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    Today, incredible footage came out about a Russian dude surrendering by gesturing to a Ukrainian drone, and then making what looks like a rather difficult escape from the Russian side of the frontline. This is truly spectacular. The Russian soldier gestures to the drone that he wants to surrender and the Ukrainians drop him a note telling him to surrender. Then he somehow is able to signal to them that he cannot because his side will shoot at him, they tell him to follow the drone. And he goes for it. There are explosions close to him as he runs and it looks like he passes a body in the trench. But eventually he gets to the end, good for him! Smart, young man, no need to waste his life.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW


    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.
     
    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    They won't have a chance to surrender when the Bradleys come in.

    Those Bradleys can bust shallow trenches from over 1000 yards away and at night.

    I guess we'll see how well the Russians can mine. Based on everything else... Ukrainians will most likely break through in multiple points.

    Replies: @LatW

  436. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.
     
    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    Today, incredible footage came out about a Russian dude surrendering by gesturing to a Ukrainian drone, and then making what looks like a rather difficult escape from the Russian side of the frontline. This is truly spectacular. The Russian soldier gestures to the drone that he wants to surrender and the Ukrainians drop him a note telling him to surrender. Then he somehow is able to signal to them that he cannot because his side will shoot at him, they tell him to follow the drone. And he goes for it. There are explosions close to him as he runs and it looks like he passes a body in the trench. But eventually he gets to the end, good for him! Smart, young man, no need to waste his life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xqKTE7Bmes

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.

    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    They won’t have a chance to surrender when the Bradleys come in.

    Those Bradleys can bust shallow trenches from over 1000 yards away and at night.

    I guess we’ll see how well the Russians can mine. Based on everything else… Ukrainians will most likely break through in multiple points.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson

    Did you hear about the Storm Shadow? It might already be there, but not sure in what amounts. It could be a game changing weapon, the Ukrainians could take out a lot of Russian depots in the back. Maybe even hit military targets on Crimea, they are already doing it at a limited scale. They could hit the bridge with the Storm Shadow.

  437. A123 says: • Website

    The History Of The Bobcat

    If a farm customer had a problem, Cyril and Louis Keller made it their goal to solve it. Hear how these brothers from Minnesota tell their story of how they used scrap metal and used parts to build the first Bobcat loader.

    PEACE 😇

  438. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man.
     
    Exactly. You're describing this well. Women and men should be held to different standards in many aspects, especially those aspects pertaining to the physical (and the brain, too, is largely included in the physical).

    Women and men bring different things to the table and this should be taken into the equation.

    Incidentally, trannies do not bring either of these things to the table. Yet they demand the benefits that derive from each separate sex and that each sex is entitled to. They want the status of man or woman but they don't really provide either masculine or feminine energies in the needed way. They are cheaters.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    They are cheaters.

    That too. But first and foremost, they are mentally ill people. A sane person would never even think of changing his/her gender. Even a borderline lunatic wouldn’t. To become a tranny, a person has to be seriously crazy. A guy who think they he is Napoleon or Julius Caesar is saner than a guy who thinks that he is a woman.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    But first and foremost, they are mentally ill people. A sane person would never even think of changing his/her gender. Even a borderline lunatic wouldn’t. To become a tranny, a person has to be seriously crazy. A guy who think they he is Napoleon or Julius Caesar is saner than a guy who thinks that he is a woman.
     
    Some guys do think they are like Julius Caesar or are bound to become one, especially when they're young, so that's not even that strange or unusual. :)

    But yea, it's probably to some extent a mental disturbance or a personality disorder. For flamboyant gays it's understandable, the straight males are more puzzling. It is some strange form of auto eroticism, they adore that woman but also want to be her. They idealize beautiful women, but they still want attention or even admiration from beautiful women. They still have those male instincts of wanting to win trivia contests or do strange kind of art or literature, to be popular. I've even seen some super talented engineers. It's scary because they have such high IQs that they can manipulate others and can essentially live outside of the law and norms. Because they have this male drive, they can be more convincing when they argue because they are bolder and not passive. They don't have the feminine instincts to limit these tendencies. Sexual disorientation.

    Btw, there are two types of lesbians - real ones and casual / lifestyle ones. The type of sex they have is not real, it may be partially gratifying, but not all the way. I don't have issues with femmes who keep it private. Only those who try to be socially dominant and change society are problematic. Those are usually crazy males or butch lesbians (although the latter can be harmless if they keep it to themselves and stick with fixing machinery and not changing laws and politics).

  439. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Because femmes are not harmful for society and they are not as unnatural (this is not their main drive).
     
    Generally speaking, lesbians are just as unnatural as gays. However, most of them became lesbians as a secondary reaction to bad experience with men or lack of male attention.

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man. There are few things that disgust me absolutely: I despise traitors, informers, sneaks, and snitches of all stripes regardless of their gender. In my eyes these kinds of scum are irredeemable. Everything else I would forgive a woman, but not necessarily a man.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW, @John Johnson

    I think that my reaction is explained not so much by biology or sociology, but by the fact that, being a man, I have a soft spot for women. I’ve noticed that I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man.

    Working with liberal women will get rid of that real quick.

    If you are working with diversity hires then it will only take a few days.

  440. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa
    @Mikel


    To be fair, we’re not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.
     
    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. Sex with an animal is certainly abnormal disgusting behavior but it's still just an act and a disordered attraction. Trans ideology overturns the fundamental understanding of reality and how it is defined and expressed.

    Zoophilia is a philosophical dead end but trans ideology blows conceptual doors wide open which can continue to be exploited to their logical end which is that we have no inherent nature and are infinitely malleable. It's the first step toward completely mainstreaming the transhumanist mindset.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    The idea of an artificial womb has been in sci-fi for many years. If human life reaches 1,000+ years and female fertility is limited to ~50, the concept become necessary. Frank Herbert’s Tleilaxu is a grim example. Peter Hamilton presented a more constructive use.

    However, none of this excuses current day trans deviance. Interaction between groomers and children is anathema, punishable by extreme sanction. Normalization and acceptance are non-viable.

    Strong churches could express minimal tolerance, without crossing the line. Ostracization rather than summary execution. Weak churches are failing in large numbers. The future is smaller and simpler, more traditional. More OT sanctions, and less NT softness.

    In 100+ years perhaps artificial wombs will be commonly available technology. However, to survive until then, protecting current biology is obviously essential.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    In 100+ years perhaps artificial wombs will be commonly available technology.
     
    It's available already now, there are companies that do it, afaik, in California. But it's not about the wombs, a womb is a very strong organ that can work even in your 50s and beyond. What matters is the hormonal panel and the eggs. It's impossible to create new ones (but it is apparently possible to lengthen their life span a little).
  441. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    They are cheaters.
     
    That too. But first and foremost, they are mentally ill people. A sane person would never even think of changing his/her gender. Even a borderline lunatic wouldn’t. To become a tranny, a person has to be seriously crazy. A guy who think they he is Napoleon or Julius Caesar is saner than a guy who thinks that he is a woman.

    Replies: @LatW

    But first and foremost, they are mentally ill people. A sane person would never even think of changing his/her gender. Even a borderline lunatic wouldn’t. To become a tranny, a person has to be seriously crazy. A guy who think they he is Napoleon or Julius Caesar is saner than a guy who thinks that he is a woman.

    Some guys do think they are like Julius Caesar or are bound to become one, especially when they’re young, so that’s not even that strange or unusual. 🙂

    But yea, it’s probably to some extent a mental disturbance or a personality disorder. For flamboyant gays it’s understandable, the straight males are more puzzling. It is some strange form of auto eroticism, they adore that woman but also want to be her. They idealize beautiful women, but they still want attention or even admiration from beautiful women. They still have those male instincts of wanting to win trivia contests or do strange kind of art or literature, to be popular. I’ve even seen some super talented engineers. It’s scary because they have such high IQs that they can manipulate others and can essentially live outside of the law and norms. Because they have this male drive, they can be more convincing when they argue because they are bolder and not passive. They don’t have the feminine instincts to limit these tendencies. Sexual disorientation.

    [MORE]

    Btw, there are two types of lesbians – real ones and casual / lifestyle ones. The type of sex they have is not real, it may be partially gratifying, but not all the way. I don’t have issues with femmes who keep it private. Only those who try to be socially dominant and change society are problematic. Those are usually crazy males or butch lesbians (although the latter can be harmless if they keep it to themselves and stick with fixing machinery and not changing laws and politics).

  442. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @LatW


    Sitting passively in shallow trenches will make them targets for an offensive.
     
    Sorry to say this openly, but those could become in many cases graves they dug for themselves.

    They won't have a chance to surrender when the Bradleys come in.

    Those Bradleys can bust shallow trenches from over 1000 yards away and at night.

    I guess we'll see how well the Russians can mine. Based on everything else... Ukrainians will most likely break through in multiple points.

    Replies: @LatW

    Did you hear about the Storm Shadow? It might already be there, but not sure in what amounts. It could be a game changing weapon, the Ukrainians could take out a lot of Russian depots in the back. Maybe even hit military targets on Crimea, they are already doing it at a limited scale. They could hit the bridge with the Storm Shadow.

  443. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    the best for Morgenshtern, is that Kadyrov has a lot of other “hobbies” nowadays. There is less time for Kadyrov to send scary messages to Morgenshtern.
     
    That's right, Don Don's got bigger fish to fry these days... you know, when the Ukrainian soldier showed the world that Don Don's TikTok troops aren't even all that scary in real life, maybe that changed the perception a little. By the way, that concert in St Pete, it was good and refreshing. It was like a breath of fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system "celebrities"...

    It was something good that wasn't allowed to continue, like many other things...

    From the celebrity culture, I guess he becomes one of the more likeable IMO.

     

    I agree, he's truthful, I mean he's way too rude for my taste, but I forgive him because he's not nasty and he'd rather leave then kiss up to the ones at the top.

    Those pics on Instagram are so adorable! You can just see all his cuteness there, and you can see his nationality, he's half Bashkir, not full right? That's an adorable age.

    Tbh, I don't know anything about Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia. I wonder what the old rappers such as Kasta think of everything. I have more respect for him. Way back, Kasta did a few pieces with one of our rappers, believe it or not, they used to hang out. Think of how much is broken and will be broken now... because granpa went crazy... :(


    She was filming in Los Angeles during the special operation last summer.
     
    Really, why? That's not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She's not propagating invading Ukraine.

    Btw, did you see that blonde guy with the letter Z on the Red Square, Shaman? And Я русский, that song I may have liked, in a different time and place... or different world, rather.

    We know what happens for Baskov if he wants to visit Latvia nowadays.
     
    OMG, don't get me started on that topic, I literally used to live not too far where they all used to gather every summer, with all their billionaires. Probably the highest per capita billionaire concentration in one spot. That was back during the oil boom. Until 2014.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system “celebrities”

    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum. The final test, would be to distinguish correctly between Zhigan and Dzhigan.

    Who was better in MMA? Who goes to prison? Who beat Oxxxy? Who does Kadyrov invite for a boxing match?

    why? That’s not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She’s not propagating invading Ukraine.

    She was in Ukraine’s sanctions list
    https://ura.news/news/1052616377

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.

    he’s half Bashkir, not full right

    His family is a bit of representative of bad stereotypes of Ufa.

    Father was a Bashkir oligarch of the 1990s that died after mysterious conflicts. His mother was a Jewish businesswoman and this is how Morgenshtern has the Israeli citizenship. “Morgenshtern” is just the mother’s family name.

    Ex-wife Dilara is Tatar. Tatars often look very different in different region. But really she looks like the most famous Israeli models or actresses, so it’s one of the times I start to almost believe a pseudoscience “Khazar hypothesis”.

    Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia.

    Authorities usually seem less threatened by him, than he imagines. They view him as a kind of upper middle class liberal nerds’ culture. Surkov said he was genius. Parliament celebrates his new album.

    https://riafan.ru/1566114-deputat-gosdumy-drapeko-sravnila-reperov-oxxxymiron-i-morgenshterna

    know anything about Oxxxyimiron,

    Morgenshtern isn’t good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don’t like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting.

    He was popular with ordinary kids, who just enjoy mix of Charlie Chaplin comedy and shiny cars. But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.

    Oxxxymiron is less effective criticism than some simple clown video of Morgenshtern. He is criticizing ideological things which are only distractions they confuse the population.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn’t “ideological fascism”, it’s small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.

    BlackStar was more close descriptions of elites’ and country’s values. But Morgenshtern adds too much satire tone for nowadays. It’s a court’s controlled channel which is commuting the values. You know, it was only ten years ago court’s clowns could sing about life of court to everyone in the lyrics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIAgcCnFmE.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum.
     
    Thank you, that is very flattering (and I don't even listen to попса, much less Russian естрада).

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.
     
    Right, they need to look a bit more carefully. But these people shouldn't even care about going to Ukraine or the West.

    Morgenshtern isn’t good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don’t like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting. [..] He was popular with ordinary kids

     

    Yea, what he does is neither rap, nor singing. It's just silly sounding recitations, with few exceptions during live concerts. Btw, when he started out, he had some dark tones. And he has a recurring theme in his videos of him kneeling in darkness in the rain, his last video was that way, too. It's a beautiful condo in Dubai and then him in the dark, I wonder if it means something.

    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.


    “Morgenshtern” is just the mother’s family name.
     
    Yea, Morning star... so he's not Russian at all? Just Bashkir and Jewish? You can see he's ethnic by his cheek bones, but just barely. The eyes, too.

    Btw, you know who else is half Jewish... Emily Ratajkowski. Half Polish, half Jewish.


    But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.
     
    Yes, it is not too direct, but still somewhat visible. Also, he is very openly rude, so some may not like that either.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn’t “ideological fascism”, it’s small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.
     

    It is post.. there are strands of "ideological fascism" and vatnicism, but also those clans. That's not that great. The good forces are systematically being pushed out (and I'm not talking about liberals).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  444. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel


    To be fair, we’re not quite there yet. Zoophiliacs and other deviants are still kept out from pride events.
     
    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. Sex with an animal is certainly abnormal disgusting behavior but it's still just an act and a disordered attraction. Trans ideology overturns the fundamental understanding of reality and how it is defined and expressed.

    Zoophilia is a philosophical dead end but trans ideology blows conceptual doors wide open which can continue to be exploited to their logical end which is that we have no inherent nature and are infinitely malleable. It's the first step toward completely mainstreaming the transhumanist mindset.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    I actually find transgenderism more reality disrupting than zoophilia. 

    Yes, that’s the half empty bottle view of what I said. We’re still not in a free-for-all situation. There are still limits. But the fact that the children mutilation insanity has become mainstream without most of us even realizing how we arrived here is concerning. This either dies under the weight of its own absurdity or we haven’t seen anything yet.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  445. @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez

    I find that weird. If Amber Heard (or any other woman you personally found hot before learning she was lesbian) asked you to sleep with her because she wants to try some hetero fun would you be unable to satisfy her wish?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    well Amber Heard is past it, so I'm assuming you mean in her prime.

    If she said something like that then I'd figure she had developed at least some attraction to men so I'd be able to do it. But a woman like Portia De Rossi, once I found out she wasn't in to guys I immediately lost all attraction for her

    Replies: @Mikel

  446. LatW says:
    @A123
    @Barbarossa

    The idea of an artificial womb has been in sci-fi for many years. If human life reaches 1,000+ years and female fertility is limited to ~50, the concept become necessary. Frank Herbert's Tleilaxu is a grim example. Peter Hamilton presented a more constructive use.

    However, none of this excuses current day trans deviance. Interaction between groomers and children is anathema, punishable by extreme sanction. Normalization and acceptance are non-viable.

    Strong churches could express minimal tolerance, without crossing the line. Ostracization rather than summary execution. Weak churches are failing in large numbers. The future is smaller and simpler, more traditional. More OT sanctions, and less NT softness.

    In 100+ years perhaps artificial wombs will be commonly available technology. However, to survive until then, protecting current biology is obviously essential.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    In 100+ years perhaps artificial wombs will be commonly available technology.

    It’s available already now, there are companies that do it, afaik, in California. But it’s not about the wombs, a womb is a very strong organ that can work even in your 50s and beyond. What matters is the hormonal panel and the eggs. It’s impossible to create new ones (but it is apparently possible to lengthen their life span a little).

  447. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard).
     
    I had a casual friend who picked his two daughters up at daycare, drove home, and the three of them together received the news in writing that wife and mom had left, never to be heard from again one time (for 15 years), to move in with her new girlfriend. That might be up there.

    Amber Heard is not a crossover; she is a psycho.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Amber Heard is not a crossover; she is a psycho.

    Well, I did’t follow the details of the story but she has to be if the freak Depp is the best partner she could find. But a beautiful psycho nonetheless.

    My wife did once say that the freak has “something” though, that characteristically feminine expression that leaves you as clueless as before.

  448. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male
     
    Jesus christ. Wow.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    LatW can correct me as it is difficult to guess from forums. I recently misguess AP’s personality category completely and didn’t notice he was “N”.

    I would guess LatW are maybe one of those personalities.

    Maybe this.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFJ

    Maybe this if the first guess is wrong.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFP

    They seem the most tolerant liberal and slavophile in the forum. It’s the most rusophile culturally in the forum. If they talk to Beckow, you wouldn’t know they are rusophile, to say mildly. With Greasywilliam and Yahya, you would have very different impessions.

    If internet forums had team management views, I guess it would be classic types of people you don’t want on the same projects.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry

    Well, I'm back. From our earlier discussion about Moscow vs. Western (New York ) living standards and how much a New Yorker would have to make, to live comparably to a typical ("median") Muscovite did under pre-Crimea or pre-Covid Putin.

    We had discussed home ownership rates. I had stated that a far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans own their own homes. Therefore, the cost of mortgage or rent does not factor into typical Russians' income but does factor into Americans' income when comparing lifestyles.


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-216/#comment-5939694

    "trading economics which states “ Home Ownership Rate in Russia decreased to 91.70 percent"

    It’s probably an automated import from the Statista website, which is describing the percentage of property owned by the population.

    The data for how many adult Russians own property, is somewhere between 60%-70% as I wrote above.
     
    But many sources place home ownership rates in Russia at around 90%.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/04/global-percentage-rent-own-global-property

    "Switzerland and Germany are firmly rental societies, where around two-thirds didn't own their homes in 2020/2021. It's a very different story in China and Russia where property ownership is very much the norm - 83 and 87 percent of the adults surveyed by Statista said they own their current home."

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-home-ownership-rates.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    "Owned by the population" means it is in private hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent or mortgage.

    Moreover, only 15% of Russians pay mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    So even if the Russian home ownership figure is 65% as you claimed, this means that 50% of Russians own their dwelling outright, without paying mortgage (65% - 15%). In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright, without paying mortgage (65% - 42%).

    So the typical Russian owns a home and pays neither rent nor mortgage.

    But the typical American must pay either rent or mortgage.

    The question is what you can have with $1000, as that was the median income in 2019 in Moscow.
     
    The question is, how much would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying for his housing (see above).

    This would add about $1500 per month to the necessary income of the Muscovite's New York counterpart, that the typical Muscovite would not be paying.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying off student loans (~$300 per month) or paying for health insurance (~$200 per month). And prices for necessary expenses such as utilities and food would be about overall 20% or 30% cheaper in Moscow. So another $300.

    So to live like a typical Muscovite who made $1000 per month, the New Yorker would have to make about $3,300 per month.

    Or the New Yorker would have to be poor and get everything free from the government.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  449. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I didn’t know you subscribe to the values viewpoint
     
    I am not sure what you call values. In my book, the basic rule in a society, where people inevitably interact, should be “treat others as you want to be treated”. The only exception I would make is self-defense: if someone hits you, hit back; if someone tries to shoot or shoots at you, shoot back. Even in that I have certain personal limitations: I would not hit a woman or a child, even if provoked. However, I am not sure that my rule about women would apply to blue-haired sex-confused freaks. Never tested this experimentally.

    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa. This is more than the Christian West, but I agree that Western pathologies don’t help.
     
    Japan and Korea are becoming dysfunctional, but as far as I can tell from my trips some years ago, not to the same extent as the bulk of the imperial patch. Interestingly, both have more sizeable Christian populations than most Asian countries. Don’t know about Australia, hope to find out during my planned visit there in November. Russia is an outlier: it is technically Christian, but remains remarkably sane (libtards are gnashing their teeth and trying to provoke every war against Russia they can). To the best of my knowledge, India is not going mad with LGBT and woke BS, even though libtards are trying to make it as crazy as they are. Middle East is gradually becoming less hellish. As someone rightly commented before, “the US is pushed out of the Middle East, and peace is breaking out”. Ongoing reconciliation between Iran and Yemen with Saudi Arabia, as well as Syria with Turkey, illustrates that. I was only in two African countries, Egypt and Kenia, and both struck me as being a lot saner than Europe (despite annoying hawkers and panhandlers).

    Replies: @Beckow

    the basic rule in a society should be…treat others as you want to be treated

    That’s nice, but that rule is an oxymoron in competitive capitalisim. It goes directly against core principles of the Western market-and-money society: it can be stated but not observed. I am not sure we are capable of any other society – the mercantile acquisitive instinct is too dominant.

    Your self-defense example is schematic: we are already in constant struggle with everyone else and that dictates self-defense. In self-defense everything is allowed and we eventually come full circle: our capitalist societies when they fully mature will drop all moral rules. We will all become a version of Larry Ellison or Jeff Bezos, with fewer toys. (It is good to be kind to women and children, but the elderly witches should be exempted.)

    Middle East is gradually becoming less hellish…saner than Europe…

    They are 2-3 phases behind, but the dynamic also exists there. We have a global situation where the wealth and good life are heavily concentrated in the most culturally dysfunctional parts of the world – in the broader West. It happened before and the barbarians eventually stormed the decadent center. It may not work this time – the temptations are too big, it is better connected, the control tools are better. EE (my special interest) is not immune – it has the toxic combination of proximity and ambition. The unspoken truth is that people – even very good people – can be bought. The individualism of today’s world actually suggests that is the best strategy for a person. That wasn’t the case in the past. But we will see – I suspect if the decline is reversed it will come from an unexpected places.

  450. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa.
     
    Even stupid Africans recognize the inherent superiority of monotheistic societies. The Chinese are either going to have to bring back slavery with whips and chains or they are going to lose money. Let's look closely at what happens in Africa!

    Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    …Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.

    This narcissism goes way back, I think Spinoza wrote about it. On an individual level these mental games are amusing, but once they become prevalent in a society they can be fatal.

    • Agree: Coconuts
  451. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am inclined to forgive a woman things I would never forgive a man
     
    I don't even think that we guys feel any disgust at lesbian sex. Certainly nothing comparable to what Mr Hack's picture provoked (and fortunately he was not showing a gay French kiss, as he said he was). A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That's frustrating.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Coconuts

    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That’s frustrating.

    Imho there are different types of lesbian and they are more complicated than homosexual men. Some can be very militant, involved gender politics and have a girlfriend but also on the look out for men for romantic involvement on the side. Another type is a woman who is really a lesbian but has a lot of relationships and involvements with men until a certain age, but has the interest in gender politics and a ‘queer’ view of relationships and intersexual dynamics.

    I came across both types when I was in my 20s. In my experience the second type is more of a problem, if they are attractive.

    In the early 2000s it seems like there was some sort of fashion for women talking up their same sex experiences, as Wokechoke already said this could be weird.

    I’m not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Coconuts

    It is particularly bad in China. (1)


    LYING FLAT — China’s Slacker City — no marriage, no baby, no consumption

     

    Remember how a bunch of young Chinese just decided to give up and let it rot? Recently, a whole bunch of them have decided to make Dali in Yunnan Province their own slacker city.

    Young people [in China] see no hope for their future and choose to lie down. Their motto is "no buying a home, no car, no marriage, no baby, no consumption.”

    Chinese woman: “It isn’t that I don’t want to have children. I can’t afford it. Housing is so stressful! Without a home, I’m afraid to get married. The cost of having a baby is high. There’s no money or time to raise them, and women’s work is easily affected by childbirth.” All things that help contribute to China’s disasterous demographics.
     
    The CCP bourgeois are transferring wealth to themselves at the expense of the proletariat. They have bank runs, failed construction sector, and many individuals who have lost their life savings. Now that they have broken family formation, it is hard to see how the CCP can get that back.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54708

    https://youtu.be/BhZEjGlUUC8

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @John Johnson
    @Coconuts

    I've worked with the public in a liberal city and lesbians were practically all dating rejects.

    Nearly all of them were overweight butch types and had a resentful vibe. Amusingly they would sneer if you got too close to their woman. Why would you be worried about me taking your woman if it is 100% genetic?

    It was a stark contrast to gay men who seemed hopeless from their inborn disposition. I would get creeped out by talking to them. They don't really have female or male brains. It's like a third type. They have a preoccupation with sex in general and what are considered extreme perversions by straights are common to them.

    I’m not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    I know someone that works with them and the transgender incel is actually one of the more common. The media doesn't show a type which is the male to female that really doesn't care about acting female. Imagine a male incel with long hair and boobs not even trying to bother with female pleasantries.

    Fortunately this is still very rare as a percentage of the public. But none the less disturbing. They are actually giving hormones to confused male teenagers so they can grow boobs.

  452. @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    I cannot feel any attraction to a woman after I find out she is a lez
     
    I find that weird. If Amber Heard (or any other woman you personally found hot before learning she was lesbian) asked you to sleep with her because she wants to try some hetero fun would you be unable to satisfy her wish?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    well Amber Heard is past it, so I’m assuming you mean in her prime.

    If she said something like that then I’d figure she had developed at least some attraction to men so I’d be able to do it. But a woman like Portia De Rossi, once I found out she wasn’t in to guys I immediately lost all attraction for her

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    Amber Heard is past it ... Portia De Rossi
     
    It's nice to see we'll never fight over a woman.

    As for the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the question has become: are the retreats of the Russian regular armed forces around Bakhmut representative of the morale and preparedness in the rest of the areas or are they just an isolated case? My guess is the former. You wouldn't have a public confrontation between the leader of the PMCs and the top generals in a properly functioning military structure. Prigozhin seems to know what's coming and wants to distance himself from it. But we'll see.

    Replies: @Sean

  453. @Greasy William
    @LatW


    A white man giving an offspring to a black woman is not as bad as a white woman having an offspring with a black male
     
    Jesus christ. Wow.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    That’s the based Balt bitch. Great stuff isn’t it?

  454. @A123
    @A123

    The full Creventic replay is available:
    12 Hours of Spa

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oIMk2b3RR08

    No... I am not double posting. This is an entirely different event held at Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    The prior link fails. Here is the replacement for the 12 Hours of Spa.

    PEACE 😇

  455. A123 says: • Website
    @Coconuts
    @Mikel


    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That’s frustrating.
     
    Imho there are different types of lesbian and they are more complicated than homosexual men. Some can be very militant, involved gender politics and have a girlfriend but also on the look out for men for romantic involvement on the side. Another type is a woman who is really a lesbian but has a lot of relationships and involvements with men until a certain age, but has the interest in gender politics and a 'queer' view of relationships and intersexual dynamics.

    I came across both types when I was in my 20s. In my experience the second type is more of a problem, if they are attractive.

    In the early 2000s it seems like there was some sort of fashion for women talking up their same sex experiences, as Wokechoke already said this could be weird.

    I'm not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    It is particularly bad in China. (1)

    LYING FLAT — China’s Slacker City — no marriage, no baby, no consumption

    Remember how a bunch of young Chinese just decided to give up and let it rot? Recently, a whole bunch of them have decided to make Dali in Yunnan Province their own slacker city.

    Young people [in China] see no hope for their future and choose to lie down. Their motto is “no buying a home, no car, no marriage, no baby, no consumption.”

    Chinese woman: “It isn’t that I don’t want to have children. I can’t afford it. Housing is so stressful! Without a home, I’m afraid to get married. The cost of having a baby is high. There’s no money or time to raise them, and women’s work is easily affected by childbirth.” All things that help contribute to China’s disasterous demographics.

    The CCP bourgeois are transferring wealth to themselves at the expense of the proletariat. They have bank runs, failed construction sector, and many individuals who have lost their life savings. Now that they have broken family formation, it is hard to see how the CCP can get that back.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54708

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    The 'lying flat" lifestyle in China looks tame and like a trip through Beverly hills, compared to what's going on in the US, especially in California:

    https://youtu.be/IzLC48jZPrc

    It's spreading to the rest of the US too - wake up America!

  456. @A123
    @S


    The United States with it’s shameless use of the Ukrainians as proxies
     
    Except this is not happening. The European Empire is shamelessly using Ukraine & the United States as proxies.

    the near religious devotion of the US/UK
     
    This does not exist. Do you mean the Globalist cult lead from Davos, Paris, & Berlin?

    every event it can think of leading up to WWII in a potential lead up to WWIII is just for kicks either.
     
    There are significant differences. Most important -- The next President of America is giving coded but clear messages that he will no longer be a vassal to Berlin & Paris.

    Therefore, the European Empire has no path to anything resembling victory. They cannot spend over €5 billion per month on Kiev aggression. Even if they had the money, Germany's ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs. The EU offensive will run out of firepower long before Scholz & Macron push Russia into using nukes.

    Time is on Putin's side. He can protect his troops by staying on defense, waiting for Ukraine to run out of European Empire funding & the capability to fight.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    Even if they had the money, Germany’s ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs.

    New gigafactories are being built in Germany, so big businesses aren’t betting on energy problems being somehow significant issue regarding production abilities, even when demand will pick up:

    KIEL (dpa-AFX) – The Swedish group Northvolt is pushing ahead with the planned construction of a large battery cell factory for electric cars in Schleswig-Holstein. The federal government as well as the state government announced on Friday to support the construction of a gigafactory of Nothvolt in Heide. The request is still subject to approval by the EU Commission under state aid law, the Federal Ministry of Economics, the state government and Northvolt announced. Group CEO Peter Carlsson said that with the German government’s commitment behind it, Northvolt has decided to take the next steps toward expansion.

    The requirement will unleash a billion-dollar private investment that will create 3,000 direct jobs in Heide and thousands more in surrounding industry and the service sector, the joint statement said. The annual production volume after the factory ramps up will be 60 gigawatt hours, it said, and will supply around one million electric vehicles with high-quality battery cells made in Germany.

    https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BMW-AG-56358353/news/Northvolt-pushes-ahead-with-construction-of-battery-factory-in-Schleswig-Holstein-43827876/

    Also:

    Natural gas futures in Europe fell more than 6% to around €34 per megawatt hour in the second week of May, the sixth consecutive week of losses and the longest losing run in over three years, due to subdued demand as the region recovers from an energy crisis. Most European countries are experiencing super low power demand at the moment, and demand for gas in power generation was lower than expected last month, even amid a sharp drop in coal burns. Strong imports of LNG and high fuel stockpiles after a mild winter have contributed to European gas stockpiles now being almost 60% full, well above the average of the past five years. However, the possibility of abnormal heat and drought this summer remains a major short-term risk.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    One government subsided show piece is an anecdote. The EV car industry is a boondoggle, and everyone serious knows that. Not-The-President Biden is pushing such schemes in the U.S. That is a sure indication of failure in motion.

    Actual German statistics show economic decline: (1)


    Germany's construction industry to contract by 3.6% in real terms in 2023, owing to the impact of elevated materials and energy prices, labour shortages and the continued tightening of monetary policy.

    This industry has been on a downward trend in recent quarters, with, the value add of Germany's construction industry declining by 6.2% year on year (YoY) in Q4 2022, following Y-o-Y declines of 4.6% in Q3 and 3.4% in Q2 2022.
     
    Importing LNG by ship makes energy prices "less bad" not favourable for industry. It will never be as inexpensive as pipeline delivery.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/germany-construction-industry-report-2023-a-3-6-contract-in-2023-owing-to-the-impact-of-elevated-materials-and-energy-prices-labour-shortages-and-the-continued-tightening-of-monetary-policy-301818814.html
    , @songbird
    @sudden death

    High gas prices is one of the reasons Pakistan is being destabilized.

  457. Several days left untill Turkish elections – latest polling:

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Several days left untill Turkish elections – latest polling:
     
    Remember “polling” that predicted a landslide victory of the corrupt mad witch over Trump in 2016? The cabal responsible for this “polling” learned its lesson and organized fraud on unprecedented scale to make equally corrupt senile puppet “win” in 2020. The same cabal wants to get rid of sultan who, for all his stupidity and delusions of grandeur, tries to defend the interests of his country, rather than toeing the imperial line, like euro-nonentities. We’ll see whether the cabal succeeds. Sultan is just as unscrupulous as the cabal, so the playing field is level.
  458. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    LatW can correct me as it is difficult to guess from forums. I recently misguess AP's personality category completely and didn't notice he was "N".

    I would guess LatW are maybe one of those personalities.

    Maybe this.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFJ

    Maybe this if the first guess is wrong.
    https://www.truity.com/personality-type/ISFP

    They seem the most tolerant liberal and slavophile in the forum. It's the most rusophile culturally in the forum. If they talk to Beckow, you wouldn't know they are rusophile, to say mildly. With Greasywilliam and Yahya, you would have very different impessions.

    If internet forums had team management views, I guess it would be classic types of people you don't want on the same projects.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, I’m back. From our earlier discussion about Moscow vs. Western (New York ) living standards and how much a New Yorker would have to make, to live comparably to a typical (“median”) Muscovite did under pre-Crimea or pre-Covid Putin.

    We had discussed home ownership rates. I had stated that a far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans own their own homes. Therefore, the cost of mortgage or rent does not factor into typical Russians’ income but does factor into Americans’ income when comparing lifestyles.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-216/#comment-5939694

    “trading economics which states “ Home Ownership Rate in Russia decreased to 91.70 percent”

    It’s probably an automated import from the Statista website, which is describing the percentage of property owned by the population.

    The data for how many adult Russians own property, is somewhere between 60%-70% as I wrote above.

    But many sources place home ownership rates in Russia at around 90%.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/04/global-percentage-rent-own-global-property

    “Switzerland and Germany are firmly rental societies, where around two-thirds didn’t own their homes in 2020/2021. It’s a very different story in China and Russia where property ownership is very much the norm – 83 and 87 percent of the adults surveyed by Statista said they own their current home.”

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-home-ownership-rates.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    “Owned by the population” means it is in private hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent or mortgage.

    Moreover, only 15% of Russians pay mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    So even if the Russian home ownership figure is 65% as you claimed, this means that 50% of Russians own their dwelling outright, without paying mortgage (65% – 15%). In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright, without paying mortgage (65% – 42%).

    So the typical Russian owns a home and pays neither rent nor mortgage.

    But the typical American must pay either rent or mortgage.

    The question is what you can have with $1000, as that was the median income in 2019 in Moscow.

    The question is, how much would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying for his housing (see above).

    This would add about $1500 per month to the necessary income of the Muscovite’s New York counterpart, that the typical Muscovite would not be paying.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying off student loans (~$300 per month) or paying for health insurance (~$200 per month). And prices for necessary expenses such as utilities and food would be about overall 20% or 30% cheaper in Moscow. So another $300.

    So to live like a typical Muscovite who made $1000 per month, the New Yorker would have to make about $3,300 per month.

    Or the New Yorker would have to be poor and get everything free from the government.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans
     
    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it's a few percentage higher.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    “Owned by the population” means it

     

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn't say it is the proportion of people who own property.

    The other website can show website writers repost from Wikipedia instead of asking Russian journalists.

    By the way, e.g. 31 million housing units were privatized in the 30 years since the end of the Soviet Union. Another 17% still hasn't been privatized after 30 years.


    hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent

     

    A lot of people in Russia are living with their parents, despite the smaller size of property, it's not an indication of wealth. You can live with your parents in America if you like. I'm sure there is no law preventing this, just maybe a cultural or economic difference despite the large size of property.

    There is a difference in terms of the mortgage when a lot more Americans are paying the mortgage payment. It's also because high interest rates in Russia is a reason many people instead of buying property, and renting in Russia or live with their parents.


    would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.
     
    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same. New York residents with $1000 per month, pay lower income taxes than in Russia, received $300 free money for food, free healthcare, 50% reduction of transport costs, free funding for utilities bills, funding for university study, free funding to buy petrol. They even receive free language training classes.

    Public housing in New York is limited as not more 30% of income, so will be not more than $300 per month, which is lower than average rent in Moscow, similar to median.

    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.


    the New Yorker would have to be poor
     
    You are talking about $1000 per month in New York or Moscow, which is quite above the median income in Moscow except 2019. In New York, the personal financial situation would likely better at the median level for Moscow.

    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.

    Replies: @AP

  459. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123


    Even if they had the money, Germany’s ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs.
     
    New gigafactories are being built in Germany, so big businesses aren't betting on energy problems being somehow significant issue regarding production abilities, even when demand will pick up:

    KIEL (dpa-AFX) - The Swedish group Northvolt is pushing ahead with the planned construction of a large battery cell factory for electric cars in Schleswig-Holstein. The federal government as well as the state government announced on Friday to support the construction of a gigafactory of Nothvolt in Heide. The request is still subject to approval by the EU Commission under state aid law, the Federal Ministry of Economics, the state government and Northvolt announced. Group CEO Peter Carlsson said that with the German government's commitment behind it, Northvolt has decided to take the next steps toward expansion.

    The requirement will unleash a billion-dollar private investment that will create 3,000 direct jobs in Heide and thousands more in surrounding industry and the service sector, the joint statement said. The annual production volume after the factory ramps up will be 60 gigawatt hours, it said, and will supply around one million electric vehicles with high-quality battery cells made in Germany.
     

    https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BMW-AG-56358353/news/Northvolt-pushes-ahead-with-construction-of-battery-factory-in-Schleswig-Holstein-43827876/

    Also:


    Natural gas futures in Europe fell more than 6% to around €34 per megawatt hour in the second week of May, the sixth consecutive week of losses and the longest losing run in over three years, due to subdued demand as the region recovers from an energy crisis. Most European countries are experiencing super low power demand at the moment, and demand for gas in power generation was lower than expected last month, even amid a sharp drop in coal burns. Strong imports of LNG and high fuel stockpiles after a mild winter have contributed to European gas stockpiles now being almost 60% full, well above the average of the past five years. However, the possibility of abnormal heat and drought this summer remains a major short-term risk.
     
    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    One government subsided show piece is an anecdote. The EV car industry is a boondoggle, and everyone serious knows that. Not-The-President Biden is pushing such schemes in the U.S. That is a sure indication of failure in motion.

    Actual German statistics show economic decline: (1)

    Germany’s construction industry to contract by 3.6% in real terms in 2023, owing to the impact of elevated materials and energy prices, labour shortages and the continued tightening of monetary policy.

    This industry has been on a downward trend in recent quarters, with, the value add of Germany’s construction industry declining by 6.2% year on year (YoY) in Q4 2022, following Y-o-Y declines of 4.6% in Q3 and 3.4% in Q2 2022.

    Importing LNG by ship makes energy prices “less bad” not favourable for industry. It will never be as inexpensive as pipeline delivery.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/germany-construction-industry-report-2023-a-3-6-contract-in-2023-owing-to-the-impact-of-elevated-materials-and-energy-prices-labour-shortages-and-the-continued-tightening-of-monetary-policy-301818814.html

  460. @sudden death
    Several days left untill Turkish elections - latest polling:

    https://i.postimg.cc/D0f2s2Gf/erdo.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Several days left untill Turkish elections – latest polling:

    Remember “polling” that predicted a landslide victory of the corrupt mad witch over Trump in 2016? The cabal responsible for this “polling” learned its lesson and organized fraud on unprecedented scale to make equally corrupt senile puppet “win” in 2020. The same cabal wants to get rid of sultan who, for all his stupidity and delusions of grandeur, tries to defend the interests of his country, rather than toeing the imperial line, like euro-nonentities. We’ll see whether the cabal succeeds. Sultan is just as unscrupulous as the cabal, so the playing field is level.

  461. @Coconuts
    @Mikel


    A different matter is learning that a woman you liked is a lesbian or even that a beautiful celebrity crosses over to the other side (eg Amber Heard). That’s frustrating.
     
    Imho there are different types of lesbian and they are more complicated than homosexual men. Some can be very militant, involved gender politics and have a girlfriend but also on the look out for men for romantic involvement on the side. Another type is a woman who is really a lesbian but has a lot of relationships and involvements with men until a certain age, but has the interest in gender politics and a 'queer' view of relationships and intersexual dynamics.

    I came across both types when I was in my 20s. In my experience the second type is more of a problem, if they are attractive.

    In the early 2000s it seems like there was some sort of fashion for women talking up their same sex experiences, as Wokechoke already said this could be weird.

    I'm not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    I’ve worked with the public in a liberal city and lesbians were practically all dating rejects.

    Nearly all of them were overweight butch types and had a resentful vibe. Amusingly they would sneer if you got too close to their woman. Why would you be worried about me taking your woman if it is 100% genetic?

    It was a stark contrast to gay men who seemed hopeless from their inborn disposition. I would get creeped out by talking to them. They don’t really have female or male brains. It’s like a third type. They have a preoccupation with sex in general and what are considered extreme perversions by straights are common to them.

    I’m not surprised the birth and marriage rate is low and there are a lot of incels and other types of Transgender dysfunction now as the same trends seem to have progressed and matured over the years.

    I know someone that works with them and the transgender incel is actually one of the more common. The media doesn’t show a type which is the male to female that really doesn’t care about acting female. Imagine a male incel with long hair and boobs not even trying to bother with female pleasantries.

    Fortunately this is still very rare as a percentage of the public. But none the less disturbing. They are actually giving hormones to confused male teenagers so they can grow boobs.

  462. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow


    Both Japan and Korea have become dysfunctional, the Middle East is hellish, and let’s not even look at Africa.
     
    Even stupid Africans recognize the inherent superiority of monotheistic societies. The Chinese are either going to have to bring back slavery with whips and chains or they are going to lose money. Let's look closely at what happens in Africa!

    Atheists are elitists without exception. They think worship of the image in their mirror is a greatness idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Atheists are elitists without exception.

    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers. I don't think I was an exceptional case.

    I disagree that all atheists feel that way, though

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    This is Karlinstan.

    https://jackiepinkowitz.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/300-title-image-1.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  463. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Atheists are elitists without exception.
     
    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers. I don’t think I was an exceptional case.

    I disagree that all atheists feel that way, though

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers.
     
    Frankly, I don’t feel that way. From my pov, every person has his/her superstitions, believers and atheists alike. These superstitions are different, but they are all equally silly. As I am certainly not a militant atheist, I guess I should be classified as agnostic.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  464. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Atheists are elitists without exception.
     
    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Emil Nikola Richard

    This is Karlinstan.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    This is Karlinstan.
     
    This pic illustrates cavemen-level childish narcissism, rather than elitism.
  465. @sudden death
    @A123


    Even if they had the money, Germany’s ability to produce war material is crippled by high energy costs.
     
    New gigafactories are being built in Germany, so big businesses aren't betting on energy problems being somehow significant issue regarding production abilities, even when demand will pick up:

    KIEL (dpa-AFX) - The Swedish group Northvolt is pushing ahead with the planned construction of a large battery cell factory for electric cars in Schleswig-Holstein. The federal government as well as the state government announced on Friday to support the construction of a gigafactory of Nothvolt in Heide. The request is still subject to approval by the EU Commission under state aid law, the Federal Ministry of Economics, the state government and Northvolt announced. Group CEO Peter Carlsson said that with the German government's commitment behind it, Northvolt has decided to take the next steps toward expansion.

    The requirement will unleash a billion-dollar private investment that will create 3,000 direct jobs in Heide and thousands more in surrounding industry and the service sector, the joint statement said. The annual production volume after the factory ramps up will be 60 gigawatt hours, it said, and will supply around one million electric vehicles with high-quality battery cells made in Germany.
     

    https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/BMW-AG-56358353/news/Northvolt-pushes-ahead-with-construction-of-battery-factory-in-Schleswig-Holstein-43827876/

    Also:


    Natural gas futures in Europe fell more than 6% to around €34 per megawatt hour in the second week of May, the sixth consecutive week of losses and the longest losing run in over three years, due to subdued demand as the region recovers from an energy crisis. Most European countries are experiencing super low power demand at the moment, and demand for gas in power generation was lower than expected last month, even amid a sharp drop in coal burns. Strong imports of LNG and high fuel stockpiles after a mild winter have contributed to European gas stockpiles now being almost 60% full, well above the average of the past five years. However, the possibility of abnormal heat and drought this summer remains a major short-term risk.
     
    https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/eu-natural-gas

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    High gas prices is one of the reasons Pakistan is being destabilized.

  466. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    This is Karlinstan.

    https://jackiepinkowitz.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/300-title-image-1.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This is Karlinstan.

    This pic illustrates cavemen-level childish narcissism, rather than elitism.

  467. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers. I don't think I was an exceptional case.

    I disagree that all atheists feel that way, though

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers.

    Frankly, I don’t feel that way. From my pov, every person has his/her superstitions, believers and atheists alike. These superstitions are different, but they are all equally silly. As I am certainly not a militant atheist, I guess I should be classified as agnostic.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    I have far more respect for the fake Christian than the atheist.

    Atheists in general seem like a miserable lot that is unknowingly restricted by secular egalitarianism while viewing themselves as free from dogma.

    I knew many atheists in a city and started avoiding them. You can't have a coffee or slice of pizza with them and not hear some rant about religion (always involving Christians and never Muslims). They seemed unhappy and the men tended to be single. The most evangelical atheist I ever met was poor and worked a sh-tty dead-end job. Well if Christians are such sheep then why are you not exploiting them? That is why I have more respect for the fake Christian that uses the church for his own means. I don't understand the miserable atheist that works a 50 hour week while mocking wealthy televangelists.

    I really don't buy into secularism in general. On an ideological level it is too enwrapped with liberalism. Anyone who doubts this observation is free to spend time around secular Whites and bring up the subject of race and evolution. You can be ex-communicated for even breaching the subject.

    Most Whites seem programmed for religion and they just plug-in liberalism when they leave Christianity. This is in fact a huge problem because low White fertility rates are heavily tied to secularism. Whites stop believing in Jesus and then adopt the belief that the Bantu are suppressed Swedes and Whites are evil for holding back Wakanda. They turn to a self-loathing lifestyle and have few to no children. White Atheists have extremely low birth rates and are the second largest contributor to Democrats after Jews.

    I really lost faith in secularism after being around secular Whites in the city. It was quite depressing. They weren't trying to create a better world through secular beliefs. Their number one hobby was watching television followed by complaining about conservatives or Christians.

  468. RAF are digging up Nigger’s grave in order to house same, but without friendly, loyal disposition of a Labrador.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird

    The tragedy of nigger.

    Nigger's special name must have helped perpetuate his fame as memory of the bouncing bombs has been fading.

    There are some stories coming out that net migration to the UK is going to be nearly 1 million this year. Mostly from outside of Europe. Wonder if UK, Ireland and Portugal are in some kind of race?

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird

    A picture is worth a thousand words...

    https://westernrifleshooters.us/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/thumbnail_1682085578828blob.jpg



    https://westernrifleshooters.us/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/thumbnail_1682084548167blob.jpg

    , @S
    @songbird

    All this global uncontrolled 'mass migration' at present, in Russia, in Europe, and the United States, is (of course) quite deliberate.

    As pg 119 of the 1853 book The New Rome; or, the United States of the World explains, this is about 'the fusion of nationalities' and the 'integration of humanity.'

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/119/mode/2up

    Of course, it also fits in neatly with providing wage slaves (ie so called 'cheap labor') for unscrupulous industrial concerns and private individuals, wage slavery being the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state. :-)


    https://1622179098.rsc.cdn77.org/data/thumbs/full/147909/820/0/0/0/us-prepares-for-migrants-influx-at-the-border-as-title-42-expires.jpg


    'History now advances with great strides, to hasten on the day when all the nations of the earth shall be one people, united in a single state.'


    'In the fusion of nationalities, we find the integration of humanity.'

    'The time is past for comparing man to the vermin on the leaf, of which each species can only infest its particular plant. History now advances with great strides, to hasten on the day when all the nations of the earth shall be one people, united in a single state.'

    'No longer a circumscribed portion of lands, the new "orbis terrarum" shall encircle the globe; and as ancient Rome assembled all the gods of her empire in a single Pantheon, so shall the ideas of all nations be marshalled into unity. The signs of the times are clear and unmistakable, and "The New Rome" awakens to her task, and is resolved upon its execution.'

    'Let her raise her banner of stars over land and sea, the token of perdition to the despots and redemption to the peoples, who may be convinced: In hoc signo vinces.'
     

  469. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    when I was an atheist I had a HUGE superiority complex towards believers.
     
    Frankly, I don’t feel that way. From my pov, every person has his/her superstitions, believers and atheists alike. These superstitions are different, but they are all equally silly. As I am certainly not a militant atheist, I guess I should be classified as agnostic.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I have far more respect for the fake Christian than the atheist.

    Atheists in general seem like a miserable lot that is unknowingly restricted by secular egalitarianism while viewing themselves as free from dogma.

    I knew many atheists in a city and started avoiding them. You can’t have a coffee or slice of pizza with them and not hear some rant about religion (always involving Christians and never Muslims). They seemed unhappy and the men tended to be single. The most evangelical atheist I ever met was poor and worked a sh-tty dead-end job. Well if Christians are such sheep then why are you not exploiting them? That is why I have more respect for the fake Christian that uses the church for his own means. I don’t understand the miserable atheist that works a 50 hour week while mocking wealthy televangelists.

    I really don’t buy into secularism in general. On an ideological level it is too enwrapped with liberalism. Anyone who doubts this observation is free to spend time around secular Whites and bring up the subject of race and evolution. You can be ex-communicated for even breaching the subject.

    Most Whites seem programmed for religion and they just plug-in liberalism when they leave Christianity. This is in fact a huge problem because low White fertility rates are heavily tied to secularism. Whites stop believing in Jesus and then adopt the belief that the Bantu are suppressed Swedes and Whites are evil for holding back Wakanda. They turn to a self-loathing lifestyle and have few to no children. White Atheists have extremely low birth rates and are the second largest contributor to Democrats after Jews.

    I really lost faith in secularism after being around secular Whites in the city. It was quite depressing. They weren’t trying to create a better world through secular beliefs. Their number one hobby was watching television followed by complaining about conservatives or Christians.

  470. @A123
    @Coconuts

    It is particularly bad in China. (1)


    LYING FLAT — China’s Slacker City — no marriage, no baby, no consumption

     

    Remember how a bunch of young Chinese just decided to give up and let it rot? Recently, a whole bunch of them have decided to make Dali in Yunnan Province their own slacker city.

    Young people [in China] see no hope for their future and choose to lie down. Their motto is "no buying a home, no car, no marriage, no baby, no consumption.”

    Chinese woman: “It isn’t that I don’t want to have children. I can’t afford it. Housing is so stressful! Without a home, I’m afraid to get married. The cost of having a baby is high. There’s no money or time to raise them, and women’s work is easily affected by childbirth.” All things that help contribute to China’s disasterous demographics.
     
    The CCP bourgeois are transferring wealth to themselves at the expense of the proletariat. They have bank runs, failed construction sector, and many individuals who have lost their life savings. Now that they have broken family formation, it is hard to see how the CCP can get that back.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54708

    https://youtu.be/BhZEjGlUUC8

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The ‘lying flat” lifestyle in China looks tame and like a trip through Beverly hills, compared to what’s going on in the US, especially in California:

    It’s spreading to the rest of the US too – wake up America!

  471. @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    well Amber Heard is past it, so I'm assuming you mean in her prime.

    If she said something like that then I'd figure she had developed at least some attraction to men so I'd be able to do it. But a woman like Portia De Rossi, once I found out she wasn't in to guys I immediately lost all attraction for her

    Replies: @Mikel

    Amber Heard is past it … Portia De Rossi

    It’s nice to see we’ll never fight over a woman.

    As for the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the question has become: are the retreats of the Russian regular armed forces around Bakhmut representative of the morale and preparedness in the rest of the areas or are they just an isolated case? My guess is the former. You wouldn’t have a public confrontation between the leader of the PMCs and the top generals in a properly functioning military structure. Prigozhin seems to know what’s coming and wants to distance himself from it. But we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikel

    General Bernard Rogers the US Nato commander in Europe said in the 80s he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Warsaw Pact attack. Gen Hodges (he who says Putin won't n use nukes as there would be no point) would have too. Ditto Russian generals; Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?


    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton's father told his son "you can take a killing but you can't take a beating". Russia's very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card. Hence, the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @Mikel

  472. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    fresh air in that stale environment with all those grotesque pro-system “celebrities”

     

    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum. The final test, would be to distinguish correctly between Zhigan and Dzhigan.

    Who was better in MMA? Who goes to prison? Who beat Oxxxy? Who does Kadyrov invite for a boxing match?


    why? That’s not too original. Why would she be on the sanctions list? She’s not propagating invading Ukraine.

     

    She was in Ukraine's sanctions list
    https://ura.news/news/1052616377

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.


    he’s half Bashkir, not full right
     
    His family is a bit of representative of bad stereotypes of Ufa.

    Father was a Bashkir oligarch of the 1990s that died after mysterious conflicts. His mother was a Jewish businesswoman and this is how Morgenshtern has the Israeli citizenship. "Morgenshtern" is just the mother's family name.

    Ex-wife Dilara is Tatar. Tatars often look very different in different region. But really she looks like the most famous Israeli models or actresses, so it's one of the times I start to almost believe a pseudoscience "Khazar hypothesis".


    Oxximiron, but it appears he is still in Russia.

     

    Authorities usually seem less threatened by him, than he imagines. They view him as a kind of upper middle class liberal nerds' culture. Surkov said he was genius. Parliament celebrates his new album.

    https://riafan.ru/1566114-deputat-gosdumy-drapeko-sravnila-reperov-oxxxymiron-i-morgenshterna


    know anything about Oxxxyimiron,

     

    Morgenshtern isn't good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don't like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting.

    He was popular with ordinary kids, who just enjoy mix of Charlie Chaplin comedy and shiny cars. But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.

    Oxxxymiron is less effective criticism than some simple clown video of Morgenshtern. He is criticizing ideological things which are only distractions they confuse the population.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn't "ideological fascism", it's small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.

    BlackStar was more close descriptions of elites' and country's values. But Morgenshtern adds too much satire tone for nowadays. It's a court's controlled channel which is commuting the values. You know, it was only ten years ago court's clowns could sing about life of court to everyone in the lyrics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djIAgcCnFmE.

    Replies: @LatW

    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum.

    Thank you, that is very flattering (and I don’t even listen to попса, much less Russian естрада).

    [MORE]

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.

    Right, they need to look a bit more carefully. But these people shouldn’t even care about going to Ukraine or the West.

    Morgenshtern isn’t good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don’t like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting. [..] He was popular with ordinary kids

    Yea, what he does is neither rap, nor singing. It’s just silly sounding recitations, with few exceptions during live concerts. Btw, when he started out, he had some dark tones. And he has a recurring theme in his videos of him kneeling in darkness in the rain, his last video was that way, too. It’s a beautiful condo in Dubai and then him in the dark, I wonder if it means something.

    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.

    “Morgenshtern” is just the mother’s family name.

    Yea, Morning star… so he’s not Russian at all? Just Bashkir and Jewish? You can see he’s ethnic by his cheek bones, but just barely. The eyes, too.

    Btw, you know who else is half Jewish… Emily Ratajkowski. Half Polish, half Jewish.

    But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.

    Yes, it is not too direct, but still somewhat visible. Also, he is very openly rude, so some may not like that either.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn’t “ideological fascism”, it’s small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.

    It is post.. there are strands of “ideological fascism” and vatnicism, but also those clans. That’s not that great. The good forces are systematically being pushed out (and I’m not talking about liberals).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    he’s not Russian at
     
    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.

    Though I don't think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he's representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.

    His family in negative way was also part of "rich people problems" in Ufa. His father died with debts. His mother had to emigrate to Spain because of problems of her business. There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.


    he’s ethnic by his cheek bones

     

    The appearance is exactly Captain Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean

    The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.

     

    He was organically popular with kids. I don't think authorities can replace anything like him.

    There was also Egor Kreed who is in the older generation, although he is from a similar kind of regional wealthy family, he is more artificial as he didn't become famous as YouTuber. He was saying the war with Ukraine was stressful. But his videos after the war are just filmed in Dubai and it's escapist international content.

    His Blackstar videos was an honest Russian Federation culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRZ67HSDdA. but after the war he goes to happier utopian content as kind of escapism.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWIJhJQYN4o.


    I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.
     
    The celebrity with the youngest audience, who is agreeing to do any of the patriotic content, is probably Basta. Nobody is more loyal than Basta, he even employs Lavrov's family. But Basta's youngest fans are maybe 30 years old.

    In the younger generation, Klava Koka didn't attend the Defender of the Fatherland Day concert, when the media said she was invited to be one of the singers.

    Patriotism - the monopoly of "dinosaurs", Basta, Baskov etc.


    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him
     
    He is adding messages that he has opposition view, but he wants to not go too far, so the door could still be open to return.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It's a kind of small message,

    It's behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.

    It's similar to Maks Korzh. Korzh was becoming unpopular with the young people in Belarus in 2020 because he said they should stop the protest against Lukashenko, but he was also adding a lot of the liberal attitude in his social media.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov. To respond, he just included Abdu Rozik in the video about the exile. Rozik is the enemy of Kadyrov's Hasbulla.

    Replies: @LatW

  473. @songbird
    RAF are digging up Nigger's grave in order to house same, but without friendly, loyal disposition of a Labrador.
    https://youtu.be/3qdVTK83ZiU

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S, @S

    The tragedy of nigger.

    Nigger’s special name must have helped perpetuate his fame as memory of the bouncing bombs has been fading.

    There are some stories coming out that net migration to the UK is going to be nearly 1 million this year. Mostly from outside of Europe. Wonder if UK, Ireland and Portugal are in some kind of race?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts

    Is there enough housing for all of them?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Coconuts

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts

    And @S

    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis. And maybe one would still need suicide collars for the elites if they misbehave.

    Replies: @S

  474. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    The tragedy of nigger.

    Nigger's special name must have helped perpetuate his fame as memory of the bouncing bombs has been fading.

    There are some stories coming out that net migration to the UK is going to be nearly 1 million this year. Mostly from outside of Europe. Wonder if UK, Ireland and Portugal are in some kind of race?

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    Is there enough housing for all of them?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints



    https://youtu.be/iOCq-qR7-q8

    , @Coconuts
    @LatW

    No, unfortunately there is already a housing shortage.

    The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions to this point (looks like trippling the highest pre-Brexit figures) was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.

    Supposedlly it is a right-wing government hostile to migration. In this case I wonder what the pro-migration left might be like.

    The budgetary planning for public services and utilities is all still being done on estimates of 250,000 immigrants per year.

    I think this is still the Third Way' in action, Liberal economics + social liberalism.

    Replies: @LatW

  475. Sean says:
    @Mikel
    @Greasy William


    Amber Heard is past it ... Portia De Rossi
     
    It's nice to see we'll never fight over a woman.

    As for the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the question has become: are the retreats of the Russian regular armed forces around Bakhmut representative of the morale and preparedness in the rest of the areas or are they just an isolated case? My guess is the former. You wouldn't have a public confrontation between the leader of the PMCs and the top generals in a properly functioning military structure. Prigozhin seems to know what's coming and wants to distance himself from it. But we'll see.

    Replies: @Sean

    General Bernard Rogers the US Nato commander in Europe said in the 80s he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Warsaw Pact attack. Gen Hodges (he who says Putin won’t n use nukes as there would be no point) would have too. Ditto Russian generals; Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?

    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton’s father told his son “you can take a killing but you can’t take a beating”. Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card. Hence, the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sean


    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage
     
    There is already rage (and panic due to the retreat from Bakhmut).

    So what would merit that kind of a decision on Russia's behalf? How far would Ukraine have to go?


    Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.
     
    The problem is that it's still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies.

    the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.
     
    There will be the British Storm Shadow (alas, in very small numbers probably, but enough to smash the bridge, since each one can carry half a tonne). Once the bridge is gone, Crimea turns into an isolated, vulnerable island. Historically, Crimea has been a place that is very difficult to defend. It was always passed around.

    As to F16s, they could hypothetically fly in at the very end.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

    , @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power.

    What are you suggesting here? Russia can't let Ukraine take back their territory because it would lead to embarrassment? How do you think the Germans felt after WW1 and WW2?

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?

    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?

    Kill millions of innocent people now...what was the point again? Saving ethnic Russians or something? Well Kiev also has Russians. Or are you suggesting a nuke on the battlefield? To make Russia a permanent pariah state?

    NATO has a plan for if Putin uses a nuke. We don't know what it is but he was warned of a planned retaliation. One option would be an armada of cruise missiles that removes the remaining invading forces.

    Putin's Jewish propagandist keeps calling for nukes but that is the same guy that has a male model son in London that avoided the draft. The fact that he is calling for them speaks volumes.

    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton’s father told his son “you can take a killing but you can’t take a beating”. Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.

    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn't mean it will be carried out. Supposedly the FSB have a secret clause where they can execute him if he threatens the security of the state.

    A more likely scenario is that he invades Belarus for their tanks.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikel
    @Sean

    I think we discussed this some months ago and using tactical nukes in Ukraine makes no sense. If the Russian Army is unable to provide shells and ATGMs to the troops on the frontlines, it will be even more unable to provide them with radiation protection on the eve of a nuclear attack. The nukes would affect its own troops and leave behind a wasteland of little value for anyone. I'm not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    For some reason, Putin in unwilling or unable to do any of that. He didn't follow through with his initial threats of reprisals against the West if it interfered with the SMO and all red lines are being crossed one after the other. There is no doubt that F-16s will appear in Ukraine in due time (the Dutch declared their readiness to supply them the other day), although they may not even be necessary. The attempt to dismantle the Ukrainian electrical grid with the flying mopeds, some cruise missiles and repurposed S-300 rockets was inconsistent and ultimately a failure. And the winter offensive was finally reduced to a snail pace advance in Soledar and Bakhmut carried out at a huge cost by the mercenaries, the only part of the Russian military that has shown some competence. These advances are now being reversed as we speak.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely than a resort to tactical nukes. That's if the strategical ones don't start flying in case of some misunderstanding or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

  476. @songbird
    RAF are digging up Nigger's grave in order to house same, but without friendly, loyal disposition of a Labrador.
    https://youtu.be/3qdVTK83ZiU

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S, @S

    A picture is worth a thousand words…

    [MORE]

  477. @Sean
    @Mikel

    General Bernard Rogers the US Nato commander in Europe said in the 80s he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Warsaw Pact attack. Gen Hodges (he who says Putin won't n use nukes as there would be no point) would have too. Ditto Russian generals; Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?


    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton's father told his son "you can take a killing but you can't take a beating". Russia's very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card. Hence, the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @Mikel

    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    There is already rage (and panic due to the retreat from Bakhmut).

    So what would merit that kind of a decision on Russia’s behalf? How far would Ukraine have to go?

    Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.

    The problem is that it’s still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies.

    the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    There will be the British Storm Shadow (alas, in very small numbers probably, but enough to smash the bridge, since each one can carry half a tonne). Once the bridge is gone, Crimea turns into an isolated, vulnerable island. Historically, Crimea has been a place that is very difficult to defend. It was always passed around.

    As to F16s, they could hypothetically fly in at the very end.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Looks like they just used one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cvi6_LNm50

    , @Sean
    @LatW


    The problem is that it’s still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies
     
    Er, Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world. https://youtu.be/MhOSw5Apuc4

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

  478. @LatW
    @Sean


    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage
     
    There is already rage (and panic due to the retreat from Bakhmut).

    So what would merit that kind of a decision on Russia's behalf? How far would Ukraine have to go?


    Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.
     
    The problem is that it's still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies.

    the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.
     
    There will be the British Storm Shadow (alas, in very small numbers probably, but enough to smash the bridge, since each one can carry half a tonne). Once the bridge is gone, Crimea turns into an isolated, vulnerable island. Historically, Crimea has been a place that is very difficult to defend. It was always passed around.

    As to F16s, they could hypothetically fly in at the very end.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

    Looks like they just used one:

  479. @Sean
    @Mikel

    General Bernard Rogers the US Nato commander in Europe said in the 80s he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Warsaw Pact attack. Gen Hodges (he who says Putin won't n use nukes as there would be no point) would have too. Ditto Russian generals; Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?


    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton's father told his son "you can take a killing but you can't take a beating". Russia's very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card. Hence, the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @Mikel

    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power.

    What are you suggesting here? Russia can’t let Ukraine take back their territory because it would lead to embarrassment? How do you think the Germans felt after WW1 and WW2?

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?

    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?

    Kill millions of innocent people now…what was the point again? Saving ethnic Russians or something? Well Kiev also has Russians. Or are you suggesting a nuke on the battlefield? To make Russia a permanent pariah state?

    NATO has a plan for if Putin uses a nuke. We don’t know what it is but he was warned of a planned retaliation. One option would be an armada of cruise missiles that removes the remaining invading forces.

    Putin’s Jewish propagandist keeps calling for nukes but that is the same guy that has a male model son in London that avoided the draft. The fact that he is calling for them speaks volumes.

    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton’s father told his son “you can take a killing but you can’t take a beating”. Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.

    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn’t mean it will be carried out. Supposedly the FSB have a secret clause where they can execute him if he threatens the security of the state.

    A more likely scenario is that he invades Belarus for their tanks.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?
     
    Be he a giant or dwarf, an angry humiliated man is a very dangerous man, one who is past worrying about his popularity or even ultimate self preservation. Russia going from man mountain to midget in the eyes of the world is not going to be a good sport about it.

    https://youtu.be/RPgssK8oBb8?t=91


    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.
     
    Zelensky's decisions have all been comparatively good ones (the Russian army build up on Ukraine’s border for the invasion began a matter of days after Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky’s orders)? Zelensky is not straining every human and materiel resource of his country to recover territories lost since he became leader, and his mobilisation is not causing an outflow of families with potentially catastrophic future demographic consequences?

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn’t mean it will be carried out.
     
    You are assuming that Putin would be taking the decision rather that acquiescing in advice from his generals for what they might consider a pressing military requirement. The Russian army's' generals are not so different to Nato's. Former Nato commander in Europe Bernard Rogers said shortly after his retirement in the 1980s that he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Soviet conventional attack into Western Europe. The more recently retired Nato ground forces Europe commander Ben Hodges is widely quoted for RusFed not using a theatre thermonuclear weapon on Ukrainians because there would be no benefit (presumably he means no net benefit relative to the international opprobrium even from remaining semi allies of the Kremlin), but would Gen Hodges have hesitated to request permission for use of theatre thermo-nukes if the situation warranted it? I think not.

    Replies: @LatW

  480. S says:
    @songbird
    RAF are digging up Nigger's grave in order to house same, but without friendly, loyal disposition of a Labrador.
    https://youtu.be/3qdVTK83ZiU

    Replies: @Coconuts, @S, @S

    All this global uncontrolled ‘mass migration’ at present, in Russia, in Europe, and the United States, is (of course) quite deliberate.

    As pg 119 of the 1853 book The New Rome; or, the United States of the World explains, this is about ‘the fusion of nationalities’ and the ‘integration of humanity.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/119/mode/2up

    Of course, it also fits in neatly with providing wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) for unscrupulous industrial concerns and private individuals, wage slavery being the economic and political basis of the modern progressive Multi-Cultural state. 🙂

    ‘History now advances with great strides, to hasten on the day when all the nations of the earth shall be one people, united in a single state.’

    ‘In the fusion of nationalities, we find the integration of humanity.’

    ‘The time is past for comparing man to the vermin on the leaf, of which each species can only infest its particular plant. History now advances with great strides, to hasten on the day when all the nations of the earth shall be one people, united in a single state.’

    ‘No longer a circumscribed portion of lands, the new “orbis terrarum” shall encircle the globe; and as ancient Rome assembled all the gods of her empire in a single Pantheon, so shall the ideas of all nations be marshalled into unity. The signs of the times are clear and unmistakable, and “The New Rome” awakens to her task, and is resolved upon its execution.’

    ‘Let her raise her banner of stars over land and sea, the token of perdition to the despots and redemption to the peoples, who may be convinced: In hoc signo vinces.’

  481. Putin’s Jewish propagandist keeps calling for nukes but that is the same guy that has a male model son in London that avoided the draft. The fact that he is calling for them speaks volumes.

    There is no greater sign of weakness than threatening to use a nuclear weapon. Really any type of apocalyptic threat tends to be a sign of approaching defeat.

    In fact, the only example in history that I can think of where a leader made an apocalyptic threat and then proceeded to actually carry it out is Hitler with the Holocaust. Generally the guys you have to worry about are the one’s who don’t make big threats (Nasrallah or Sadat types).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    In fact, the only example in history that I can think of where a leader made an apocalyptic threat and then proceeded to actually carry it out is Hitler with the Holocaust.

    Even Hitler decided to not use gas as the Soviets approached Berlin.

    They had massive stocks of mustard gas and Hitler chose to let Germany collapse.

    Hitler however was defeated as a warlord who took Western Europe in a year. He was understandably hated around the world but still made his mark like Genghis Khan.

    Putin has a certain unstable factor because he has lost face in this invasion. No one views him as a cunning strategist or warlord. Kiev was an embarrassment and he is about to be pushed out of Bakhmut. They haven't won a single large scale tank battle. Russia started the war with a massive advantage and was favored to win by everyone.

    If he decides to cheat I don't think it would make sense to use a nuke. There are better options. But most of his strategy hasn't made sense and I don't think he does well under pressure.

    Hopefully the rumors of him having an escape plan are true. Saddam also talked tough and after the invasion was found in a hole. Kings and dictators should never allow themselves to be captured. If they send men into war then they should prove that they can fight at the same level. It's dishonorable to surrender after sending so many men to certain death. In feudal Japan it was unthinkable for a high level officer or general to surrender.

  482. A123 says: • Website

    The talk about Ukraine is tedious & repetitive. How about this instead? (1)

    Burning Down Barriers: Female Firefighter Conference Causes ‘Out of Control’ Forest Fire

    What happened: Female firefighters taking part in a Women-in-Fire Training Exchange program—intended to promote “mental health and gender diversity and inclusion”—accidentally caused an “out of control” forest fire in Banff National Park.

    Residents in the surrounding areas were evacuated and several buildings were damaged on May 3 after the female firefighters initiated a prescribed burn that quickly escalated into an uncontrolled blaze.

    Even if the fire was not specifically gender related…. Yet more foolishness making Canada look bad.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://ogdaa.blogspot.com/2023/05/burning-down-barriers-female.html

     

  483. @Greasy William

    Putin’s Jewish propagandist keeps calling for nukes but that is the same guy that has a male model son in London that avoided the draft. The fact that he is calling for them speaks volumes.
     
    There is no greater sign of weakness than threatening to use a nuclear weapon. Really any type of apocalyptic threat tends to be a sign of approaching defeat.

    In fact, the only example in history that I can think of where a leader made an apocalyptic threat and then proceeded to actually carry it out is Hitler with the Holocaust. Generally the guys you have to worry about are the one's who don't make big threats (Nasrallah or Sadat types).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In fact, the only example in history that I can think of where a leader made an apocalyptic threat and then proceeded to actually carry it out is Hitler with the Holocaust.

    Even Hitler decided to not use gas as the Soviets approached Berlin.

    They had massive stocks of mustard gas and Hitler chose to let Germany collapse.

    Hitler however was defeated as a warlord who took Western Europe in a year. He was understandably hated around the world but still made his mark like Genghis Khan.

    Putin has a certain unstable factor because he has lost face in this invasion. No one views him as a cunning strategist or warlord. Kiev was an embarrassment and he is about to be pushed out of Bakhmut. They haven’t won a single large scale tank battle. Russia started the war with a massive advantage and was favored to win by everyone.

    If he decides to cheat I don’t think it would make sense to use a nuke. There are better options. But most of his strategy hasn’t made sense and I don’t think he does well under pressure.

    Hopefully the rumors of him having an escape plan are true. Saddam also talked tough and after the invasion was found in a hole. Kings and dictators should never allow themselves to be captured. If they send men into war then they should prove that they can fight at the same level. It’s dishonorable to surrender after sending so many men to certain death. In feudal Japan it was unthinkable for a high level officer or general to surrender.

  484. @Sean
    @Mikel

    General Bernard Rogers the US Nato commander in Europe said in the 80s he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Warsaw Pact attack. Gen Hodges (he who says Putin won't n use nukes as there would be no point) would have too. Ditto Russian generals; Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?


    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton's father told his son "you can take a killing but you can't take a beating". Russia's very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card. Hence, the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @Mikel

    I think we discussed this some months ago and using tactical nukes in Ukraine makes no sense. If the Russian Army is unable to provide shells and ATGMs to the troops on the frontlines, it will be even more unable to provide them with radiation protection on the eve of a nuclear attack. The nukes would affect its own troops and leave behind a wasteland of little value for anyone. I’m not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    For some reason, Putin in unwilling or unable to do any of that. He didn’t follow through with his initial threats of reprisals against the West if it interfered with the SMO and all red lines are being crossed one after the other. There is no doubt that F-16s will appear in Ukraine in due time (the Dutch declared their readiness to supply them the other day), although they may not even be necessary. The attempt to dismantle the Ukrainian electrical grid with the flying mopeds, some cruise missiles and repurposed S-300 rockets was inconsistent and ultimately a failure. And the winter offensive was finally reduced to a snail pace advance in Soledar and Bakhmut carried out at a huge cost by the mercenaries, the only part of the Russian military that has shown some competence. These advances are now being reversed as we speak.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely than a resort to tactical nukes. That’s if the strategical ones don’t start flying in case of some misunderstanding or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    Putin is just as incompetent as his generals. He doesn't even utilize the internet. He is good at taking political power but is in well over his head when it comes to war strategy. Putin is completely outclassed by the Ukrainian generals. Hitler was a voracious reader and studied extreme details of war strategy. Stalin was a numbers person and kept his own account of the Red Army. According to inside reports Putin doesn't even follow the war on his own. He relies on yes-men to give him daily reports.

    What he has been doing is conscripting outside the cities to keep pushback to a minimum.

    So he is basically conscripting random Tartars, Asians and criminals while urban middle class Slavs get a pass. That excludes a lot of men that would serve well as officers or in specialized positions.

    This type of conscripting wouldn't be so bad if he had an actual plan for them or spent time training an actual force instead of sending 2 week conscripts on suicide missions. Even the Wagner convicts were wasted. There are literally hundreds of reports from POWs who described being dropped off on the front and told to go forward with AK-47s. Then they use Russian soldiers or Chechens as rear guard. That is why I never believed in some great offensive. They couldn't even use cannon fodder forces correctly.

    It's too late at this point. What can he do with 100k Slavs from the cities? Put them on horseback? I wouldn't say it is completely hopeless for Russia but I'm also not going to provide any ideas. I'll talk about how he could have used Wagner conscripts when he has zero chance in hell. I'll just say that he is clearly ignorant of strategies from previous wars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel


    or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.
     
    Crimea?
    , @Sean
    @Mikel


    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.
     
    Kofman says the Russians 'fail fast and fail cheap' and reinforce any hint of success. Also the Author of the interpretive work Icon and Axe (Billington) "showcased how the icon was wielded militantly while the axe was used delicately".

    I’m not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.
     
    The response to Russia administering some theatre thermonuclear reality therapy would be Nato strategists' silk underwear bunching up and then them closing down the war ASAP.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely
     
    Nothing in actual Russian history--as opposed to Westernizing narratives so popular among historians--would lead one to the conclusion that Putin may be overthrown for confronting the Wes--quite the opposite. Russia's armed forces Military Service Oath requires soldiers to swear to obey the RusFed Constitution, not overthrow the duly appointed Pres.
  485. Ivashka is posting to r/mapporn : )

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Israel is painted a wrong colour.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  486. @Mikel
    @Sean

    I think we discussed this some months ago and using tactical nukes in Ukraine makes no sense. If the Russian Army is unable to provide shells and ATGMs to the troops on the frontlines, it will be even more unable to provide them with radiation protection on the eve of a nuclear attack. The nukes would affect its own troops and leave behind a wasteland of little value for anyone. I'm not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    For some reason, Putin in unwilling or unable to do any of that. He didn't follow through with his initial threats of reprisals against the West if it interfered with the SMO and all red lines are being crossed one after the other. There is no doubt that F-16s will appear in Ukraine in due time (the Dutch declared their readiness to supply them the other day), although they may not even be necessary. The attempt to dismantle the Ukrainian electrical grid with the flying mopeds, some cruise missiles and repurposed S-300 rockets was inconsistent and ultimately a failure. And the winter offensive was finally reduced to a snail pace advance in Soledar and Bakhmut carried out at a huge cost by the mercenaries, the only part of the Russian military that has shown some competence. These advances are now being reversed as we speak.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely than a resort to tactical nukes. That's if the strategical ones don't start flying in case of some misunderstanding or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    Putin is just as incompetent as his generals. He doesn’t even utilize the internet. He is good at taking political power but is in well over his head when it comes to war strategy. Putin is completely outclassed by the Ukrainian generals. Hitler was a voracious reader and studied extreme details of war strategy. Stalin was a numbers person and kept his own account of the Red Army. According to inside reports Putin doesn’t even follow the war on his own. He relies on yes-men to give him daily reports.

    What he has been doing is conscripting outside the cities to keep pushback to a minimum.

    So he is basically conscripting random Tartars, Asians and criminals while urban middle class Slavs get a pass. That excludes a lot of men that would serve well as officers or in specialized positions.

    This type of conscripting wouldn’t be so bad if he had an actual plan for them or spent time training an actual force instead of sending 2 week conscripts on suicide missions. Even the Wagner convicts were wasted. There are literally hundreds of reports from POWs who described being dropped off on the front and told to go forward with AK-47s. Then they use Russian soldiers or Chechens as rear guard. That is why I never believed in some great offensive. They couldn’t even use cannon fodder forces correctly.

    It’s too late at this point. What can he do with 100k Slavs from the cities? Put them on horseback? I wouldn’t say it is completely hopeless for Russia but I’m also not going to provide any ideas. I’ll talk about how he could have used Wagner conscripts when he has zero chance in hell. I’ll just say that he is clearly ignorant of strategies from previous wars.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Bless the West for having Putin Monkey as an enemy and not someone much more competent lol.

  487. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.

    2 Have you never been unpleasantly surprised at seeing a character from sexy videos in real life after and realizing it was 99% camera magic?

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    1 The character in The Crying Game thought the tranny was really hot right up to the point when he saw it had a dick. He promptly threw up from his small intestines liver and pancreas. It was an epic puke.

    Dicks are just organic strap-ons lol! 😀 😉

    • Disagree: LatW
  488. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    Putin is just as incompetent as his generals. He doesn't even utilize the internet. He is good at taking political power but is in well over his head when it comes to war strategy. Putin is completely outclassed by the Ukrainian generals. Hitler was a voracious reader and studied extreme details of war strategy. Stalin was a numbers person and kept his own account of the Red Army. According to inside reports Putin doesn't even follow the war on his own. He relies on yes-men to give him daily reports.

    What he has been doing is conscripting outside the cities to keep pushback to a minimum.

    So he is basically conscripting random Tartars, Asians and criminals while urban middle class Slavs get a pass. That excludes a lot of men that would serve well as officers or in specialized positions.

    This type of conscripting wouldn't be so bad if he had an actual plan for them or spent time training an actual force instead of sending 2 week conscripts on suicide missions. Even the Wagner convicts were wasted. There are literally hundreds of reports from POWs who described being dropped off on the front and told to go forward with AK-47s. Then they use Russian soldiers or Chechens as rear guard. That is why I never believed in some great offensive. They couldn't even use cannon fodder forces correctly.

    It's too late at this point. What can he do with 100k Slavs from the cities? Put them on horseback? I wouldn't say it is completely hopeless for Russia but I'm also not going to provide any ideas. I'll talk about how he could have used Wagner conscripts when he has zero chance in hell. I'll just say that he is clearly ignorant of strategies from previous wars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Bless the West for having Putin Monkey as an enemy and not someone much more competent lol.

  489. @Mikel
    @Sean

    I think we discussed this some months ago and using tactical nukes in Ukraine makes no sense. If the Russian Army is unable to provide shells and ATGMs to the troops on the frontlines, it will be even more unable to provide them with radiation protection on the eve of a nuclear attack. The nukes would affect its own troops and leave behind a wasteland of little value for anyone. I'm not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    For some reason, Putin in unwilling or unable to do any of that. He didn't follow through with his initial threats of reprisals against the West if it interfered with the SMO and all red lines are being crossed one after the other. There is no doubt that F-16s will appear in Ukraine in due time (the Dutch declared their readiness to supply them the other day), although they may not even be necessary. The attempt to dismantle the Ukrainian electrical grid with the flying mopeds, some cruise missiles and repurposed S-300 rockets was inconsistent and ultimately a failure. And the winter offensive was finally reduced to a snail pace advance in Soledar and Bakhmut carried out at a huge cost by the mercenaries, the only part of the Russian military that has shown some competence. These advances are now being reversed as we speak.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely than a resort to tactical nukes. That's if the strategical ones don't start flying in case of some misunderstanding or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

    or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    Crimea?

  490. @A123
    Palestinian Jews Win / Iran Loses (1)

    House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on Tuesday canceled Rep. Rashida Tlaib’s antisemitic event at the U.S. Capitol scheduled for Wednesday and will host a “bipartisan discussion to honor the 75th anniversary of the US-Israel relationship” in its place.
    ...
    Tlaib was scheduled to headline the anti-Israel event with several organizations that support the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, an anti-Semitic effort to wage economic war on Israel. They include Jewish Voice for Peace, a “radical anti-Israel activist group” that pushes the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement and has come under fire for glorifying Palestinian terrorism. Other organizers include Emgage Action, another BDS supporter that claims Israel is an “apartheid state,” and Americans for Justice in Palestine Action, an advocacy group that claims Jewish money is infecting politics.
     
    Why does Iran keep pushing the genocidal BDS movement? It never works. And, it causes them to lose face every time they fail.
    ___

    Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ] is also doing amazingly poorly: (2)

    Israel killed three senior commanders of the Iran-backed Islamic Jihad terrorist group in targeted airstrikes early Tuesday.

    It identified them as Khalil Bahtini, the Islamic Jihad commander for northern Gaza Strip; Tareq Izzeldeen, the group’s intermediary between its Gaza and West Bank members; and Jehad Ghanam, the secretary of the Islamic Jihad’s military council.

    The bombings came days after Gazan terrorists led by Islamic Jihad fired 104 rockets toward Israel in response to the death of an alleged senior member of the group who had been on hunger strike in Israeli prison, the Times of Israel reports.
     
    • One PIJ member committed suicide.
    • Three more PIJ commanders killed by counter fire.
    • Hundreds of Iranian rockets launched. Zero casualties reported.

    Could Khamenei look any more impotent & pathetic?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/09/kevin-mccarthy-cancels-rashida-tlaib-antisemitic-event-u-s-capitol/

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/05/09/israel-kills-three-islamic-jihad-terrorist-commanders-in-strikes-on-gaza/

    Replies: @A123, @RadicalCenter

    You people are accomplishing the difficult task of making me root for the Iranians.

  491. @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    Why do you like niggers?

    Also Muslims hate dogs due to Zoroastrians. Many Persian Sufis have dogs guarding their tombs.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @RadicalCenter

    Muslims don’t have dogs because that raving asshole Mo had a bizarre fear of or disgust with dogs. Period. Like other things that were mere personal preferences or prejudices of this sick fuck, he made it into a religious rule. How convenient.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @RadicalCenter

    I like cats and dogs, but I think the pack nature of the dog is extremely creepy. When I have seen coyotes working together they strike me as dangerous despite being small. As impressive as wolves are I think my natural tendency toward a pack of wolves would be to shoot them all, at least if other people were in the area.

    One of my all time favorite YouTube videos is the one with the family cat protecting (saving?) the little kid from a creepy dog attack.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  492. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Odd that you'd attack Muslims for hating on Dogs and just omit jewish attitudes so Cohencidentally like that. All these Musselmen are doing is following a peculiar jewish custom. One that Christianity finds mystifying.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @RadicalCenter

    All three religi0ns are batshit absurd for the most part. The fact that Christians don’t have the strange aversion to dogs of the other two stupid “abrahamic” religions doesn’t make christianity any less embarrassing.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @RadicalCenter

    What specific things would you say should go? Be my guest...opposition to divorce? Miracles? Claims of a God made Human?

  493. QCIC says:
    @RadicalCenter
    @Sher Singh

    Muslims don't have dogs because that raving asshole Mo had a bizarre fear of or disgust with dogs. Period. Like other things that were mere personal preferences or prejudices of this sick fuck, he made it into a religious rule. How convenient.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I like cats and dogs, but I think the pack nature of the dog is extremely creepy. When I have seen coyotes working together they strike me as dangerous despite being small. As impressive as wolves are I think my natural tendency toward a pack of wolves would be to shoot them all, at least if other people were in the area.

    One of my all time favorite YouTube videos is the one with the family cat protecting (saving?) the little kid from a creepy dog attack.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Have you ever heard a pack of coyotes celebrating a kill? It's definitely not fun.

    Replies: @QCIC

  494. @LatW
    @Coconuts

    Is there enough housing for all of them?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Coconuts

    • Thanks: LatW
  495. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Ivashka is posting to r/mapporn : )

    https://i.redd.it/otp5ic1kofza1.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    At least they didn't color it for the Palestinian group!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  496. @LatW
    @Sean


    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power. There would be rage
     
    There is already rage (and panic due to the retreat from Bakhmut).

    So what would merit that kind of a decision on Russia's behalf? How far would Ukraine have to go?


    Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.
     
    The problem is that it's still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies.

    the failure to supply ATACMS, F16s and jam the Russian version of GPS all of which America could easily do.
     
    There will be the British Storm Shadow (alas, in very small numbers probably, but enough to smash the bridge, since each one can carry half a tonne). Once the bridge is gone, Crimea turns into an isolated, vulnerable island. Historically, Crimea has been a place that is very difficult to defend. It was always passed around.

    As to F16s, they could hypothetically fly in at the very end.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

    The problem is that it’s still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies

    Er, Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sean


    Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies (LatW)
     
    Russia will use more aggressive measures against more dangerous or more hated enemies.

    I believe they view Ukraine as the misguided brother-in-law or the retarded cousin. He is a relative, but must be dealt with to protect the family. He is armed, so the issue is serious.

    But not Dresden serious. Not Nagasaki serious.

    Not yet.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @LatW
    @Sean


    Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world.
     
    The RusFedian gerontocracy is fighting a huge part of the population of the former Russian Empire (please see the Emperor's full title), which this neo-imperialistic gerontocracy foolishly attacked. I would also be very careful calling the "power from across the ocean" a "superpower". When this so called superpower was asked for many years to provide tangible reassurances in Eastern Europe, they went out of their way to evade it. This "superpower" only showed up after the Ukrainian defenders did the toughest job. Nobody would have ever touched Matushka because they didn't want to and because your so called "superpower" was scared to provoke her. Only now that Matushka has revealed her vulnerability, will she be compromised, because weakness invites aggression - those are simple laws of Nature. And even now she will be touched only so far as to provide defenses and keep her at bay.

    Imagine what could have happened if the Chinese were not Buddhist?

  497. @QCIC
    @RadicalCenter

    I like cats and dogs, but I think the pack nature of the dog is extremely creepy. When I have seen coyotes working together they strike me as dangerous despite being small. As impressive as wolves are I think my natural tendency toward a pack of wolves would be to shoot them all, at least if other people were in the area.

    One of my all time favorite YouTube videos is the one with the family cat protecting (saving?) the little kid from a creepy dog attack.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you ever heard a pack of coyotes celebrating a kill? It’s definitely not fun.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I hear them at night occasionally and do not like it. I don't know if they are celebrating a kill but I believe that would be creepy!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  498. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Have you ever heard a pack of coyotes celebrating a kill? It's definitely not fun.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I hear them at night occasionally and do not like it. I don’t know if they are celebrating a kill but I believe that would be creepy!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVNrprs4KM&ab_channel=BYUReddCenter

    This fellow is a professor of some sort and coyote-phile. He said there are biologists who documented that the public land managers poisoning coyotes have altered the population so that instead of having 2-3 offspring at a time they are now popping out 6 or more in the areas where the eradication programs are at max level. They used to be confined to states west of the Mississippi River and are now in every state except Hawaii.

    When I see a coyote it is usually the ass end of it as they flee from humans, but one time there was one with nose to ground concentrating on some smell and it got right up behind me about four feet from my right heel. As soon as it figured out what's what it peeled off faster than Road Runner. Poof. Gone.

    Replies: @QCIC

  499. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Israel is painted a wrong colour.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    At least they didn’t color it for the Palestinian group!

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There's a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  500. QCIC says:
    @Sean
    @LatW


    The problem is that it’s still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies
     
    Er, Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world. https://youtu.be/MhOSw5Apuc4

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies (LatW)

    Russia will use more aggressive measures against more dangerous or more hated enemies.

    I believe they view Ukraine as the misguided brother-in-law or the retarded cousin. He is a relative, but must be dealt with to protect the family. He is armed, so the issue is serious.

    But not Dresden serious. Not Nagasaki serious.

    Not yet.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    Russia would have used nukes, RusFed would not.

  501. Sean says:
    @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Russia is not going to accept the kind of victory Ukraine is aspiring to relegating Russia to a third rate power.

    What are you suggesting here? Russia can't let Ukraine take back their territory because it would lead to embarrassment? How do you think the Germans felt after WW1 and WW2?

    What would the US do after the Ukrainian army got vaporized. Surely no one really thinks the US would risk retaliation by conventional attack on Russia after it had crossed the nuclear Rubicon?

    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?

    Kill millions of innocent people now...what was the point again? Saving ethnic Russians or something? Well Kiev also has Russians. Or are you suggesting a nuke on the battlefield? To make Russia a permanent pariah state?

    NATO has a plan for if Putin uses a nuke. We don't know what it is but he was warned of a planned retaliation. One option would be an armada of cruise missiles that removes the remaining invading forces.

    Putin's Jewish propagandist keeps calling for nukes but that is the same guy that has a male model son in London that avoided the draft. The fact that he is calling for them speaks volumes.

    Black Panther leader Hughie Newton’s father told his son “you can take a killing but you can’t take a beating”. Russia’s very fragility (in conventional forces) is its trump card.

    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn't mean it will be carried out. Supposedly the FSB have a secret clause where they can execute him if he threatens the security of the state.

    A more likely scenario is that he invades Belarus for their tanks.

    Replies: @Sean

    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?

    Be he a giant or dwarf, an angry humiliated man is a very dangerous man, one who is past worrying about his popularity or even ultimate self preservation. Russia going from man mountain to midget in the eyes of the world is not going to be a good sport about it.

    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.

    Zelensky’s decisions have all been comparatively good ones (the Russian army build up on Ukraine’s border for the invasion began a matter of days after Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky’s orders)? Zelensky is not straining every human and materiel resource of his country to recover territories lost since he became leader, and his mobilisation is not causing an outflow of families with potentially catastrophic future demographic consequences?

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn’t mean it will be carried out.

    You are assuming that Putin would be taking the decision rather that acquiescing in advice from his generals for what they might consider a pressing military requirement. The Russian army’s’ generals are not so different to Nato’s. Former Nato commander in Europe Bernard Rogers said shortly after his retirement in the 1980s that he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Soviet conventional attack into Western Europe. The more recently retired Nato ground forces Europe commander Ben Hodges is widely quoted for RusFed not using a theatre thermonuclear weapon on Ukrainians because there would be no benefit (presumably he means no net benefit relative to the international opprobrium even from remaining semi allies of the Kremlin), but would Gen Hodges have hesitated to request permission for use of theatre thermo-nukes if the situation warranted it? I think not.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Sean

    He does care about his self-preservation, it's quite visible. He has several children, some still quite young and he has gone out of his way to protect his older daughters. Besides, he may not even be the one to make that decision. Ultima ratio regis? When he is openly being called "a grandpa who is a complete moron".

    Besides, the Russian officer's code of honor forbids the use of nuclear weapons - there is bound to be at least one there who will follow the code.

    Replies: @Beckow

  502. @AP
    @Dmitry

    Well, I'm back. From our earlier discussion about Moscow vs. Western (New York ) living standards and how much a New Yorker would have to make, to live comparably to a typical ("median") Muscovite did under pre-Crimea or pre-Covid Putin.

    We had discussed home ownership rates. I had stated that a far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans own their own homes. Therefore, the cost of mortgage or rent does not factor into typical Russians' income but does factor into Americans' income when comparing lifestyles.


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-216/#comment-5939694

    "trading economics which states “ Home Ownership Rate in Russia decreased to 91.70 percent"

    It’s probably an automated import from the Statista website, which is describing the percentage of property owned by the population.

    The data for how many adult Russians own property, is somewhere between 60%-70% as I wrote above.
     
    But many sources place home ownership rates in Russia at around 90%.

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/04/global-percentage-rent-own-global-property

    "Switzerland and Germany are firmly rental societies, where around two-thirds didn't own their homes in 2020/2021. It's a very different story in China and Russia where property ownership is very much the norm - 83 and 87 percent of the adults surveyed by Statista said they own their current home."

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-home-ownership-rates.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    "Owned by the population" means it is in private hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent or mortgage.

    Moreover, only 15% of Russians pay mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    So even if the Russian home ownership figure is 65% as you claimed, this means that 50% of Russians own their dwelling outright, without paying mortgage (65% - 15%). In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright, without paying mortgage (65% - 42%).

    So the typical Russian owns a home and pays neither rent nor mortgage.

    But the typical American must pay either rent or mortgage.

    The question is what you can have with $1000, as that was the median income in 2019 in Moscow.
     
    The question is, how much would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying for his housing (see above).

    This would add about $1500 per month to the necessary income of the Muscovite's New York counterpart, that the typical Muscovite would not be paying.

    The typical Muscovite would not be paying off student loans (~$300 per month) or paying for health insurance (~$200 per month). And prices for necessary expenses such as utilities and food would be about overall 20% or 30% cheaper in Moscow. So another $300.

    So to live like a typical Muscovite who made $1000 per month, the New Yorker would have to make about $3,300 per month.

    Or the New Yorker would have to be poor and get everything free from the government.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans

    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it’s a few percentage higher.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    “Owned by the population” means it

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn’t say it is the proportion of people who own property.

    The other website can show website writers repost from Wikipedia instead of asking Russian journalists.

    By the way, e.g. 31 million housing units were privatized in the 30 years since the end of the Soviet Union. Another 17% still hasn’t been privatized after 30 years.

    hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent

    A lot of people in Russia are living with their parents, despite the smaller size of property, it’s not an indication of wealth. You can live with your parents in America if you like. I’m sure there is no law preventing this, just maybe a cultural or economic difference despite the large size of property.

    There is a difference in terms of the mortgage when a lot more Americans are paying the mortgage payment. It’s also because high interest rates in Russia is a reason many people instead of buying property, and renting in Russia or live with their parents.

    would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.

    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same. New York residents with $1000 per month, pay lower income taxes than in Russia, received $300 free money for food, free healthcare, 50% reduction of transport costs, free funding for utilities bills, funding for university study, free funding to buy petrol. They even receive free language training classes.

    Public housing in New York is limited as not more 30% of income, so will be not more than $300 per month, which is lower than average rent in Moscow, similar to median.

    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.

    the New Yorker would have to be poor

    You are talking about $1000 per month in New York or Moscow, which is quite above the median income in Moscow except 2019. In New York, the personal financial situation would likely better at the median level for Moscow.

    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    "far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans"

    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it’s a few percentage higher.
     

    And according to other sources it's around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate


    “Owned by the population” means it

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn’t say it is the proportion of people who own property.
     

    It doesn't say "private sector" but "owned by the population." Most sources (I linked to a couple) read this as home ownership percentage.

    But even given your low figure of ~65% - only 15% of Russians have mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    This means that 50% of Russians (65% - 15%) own their homes outright without having to pay mortgage to a bank (which costs about the same as rent), or renting.

    So the typical Russian pays no rent or mortgage.

    In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright. So the typical American pays rent or mortgage.

    This is important when comparing incomes.


    "would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month."

    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same
     

    But percentage having mortgages is not the same. It is very, very different.

    So typical Americans pay for housing (around $1500 per month in New York to split a 2 bedroom apartment, if renting or $3000 for mortgage) while a typical Russian does not. It's a huge difference. One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.


    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.
     
    This is because as you showed the New York and federal governments generously provides them with money for food and rent that is equal to around $2,500 per month. They are still living on $3,500 or so per month, regardless of source of income.

    So a typical Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making about $3,500 per month.

    That is a decent living.

    Also 2019 was not "peak year." "Peak year" was 2013, before the Crimea misadventure. And there were a few years before 2013 that were around $1,000 also. Incomes recovered to $1000 in 2019 before Covid brought them down again. The war cut off the chances for another recovery.


    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.
     
    I was not claiming that typical Muscovite earns more or has a better life than a New York lawyer or unionized public school teacher. I was stating that a monthly income of $1,010 in Moscow is equal to about $3,500 in New York City when taking into account cost of living and not having to pay rent or mortgage (typical Russians, unlike typical Americans, don't as we see above). That is, it's enough for a comfortable life in a beautiful city (a much more pleasant one than New York City).

    What kind of New Yorkers make $3,500 per month? Well, as you demonstrated, poor ones do if one counts large government subsidies, though their free housing tends to be in bad neighborhoods where Muscovites (or New York workers making a similar amount through employment rather than government subsidy) would not be living.

    But as far as workers. The average salary for a private schoolteacher in New York is about $3,000 per month:

    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Private-School-Teacher-Salary--in-New-York#:~:text=As%20of%20May%203%2C%202023%2C%20the%20average%20annual,This%20is%20the%20equivalent%20of%20%24697%2Fweek%20or%20%243%2C023%2Fmonth.

    The average salary for a secretary in New York City is $3,250 per month:

    https://www.zippia.com/secretary-jobs/salary/new-york-ny/

    So the typical pre-Covid Muscovite - who made $1,000 per month and owned his dwelling outright without mortgage - makes as much as a typical private school teacher or secretary in New York City, who must pay rent or mortgage and have higher costs for utilities and food. And who pay a higher tax rate on the $3500 salary than the Muscovite does on the $1000 salary. We can add it up here:

    Typical Muscovite - $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private school teacher. $3,000 per month. Minus $1500 in rent (half a 2 bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood if she is unmarried, or if she is married than half a $3000 mortgage on a flat that she owns with her husband). Minus $200 in heath insurance. Minus $300 in student loan. Pays 20% or so in taxes. Actually is left with slightly less money than the typical Muscovite.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  503. LatW says:
    @Sean
    @LatW


    The problem is that it’s still a fragility, so even if there are nukes, everyone knows now that Russia cannot defend itself conventionally. Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies
     
    Er, Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world. https://youtu.be/MhOSw5Apuc4

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    Russia is fighting a former part of Russia that is being backed by a superpower from a continent on the other side of the world.

    The RusFedian gerontocracy is fighting a huge part of the population of the former Russian Empire (please see the Emperor’s full title), which this neo-imperialistic gerontocracy foolishly attacked. I would also be very careful calling the “power from across the ocean” a “superpower”. When this so called superpower was asked for many years to provide tangible reassurances in Eastern Europe, they went out of their way to evade it. This “superpower” only showed up after the Ukrainian defenders did the toughest job. Nobody would have ever touched Matushka because they didn’t want to and because your so called “superpower” was scared to provoke her. Only now that Matushka has revealed her vulnerability, will she be compromised, because weakness invites aggression – those are simple laws of Nature. And even now she will be touched only so far as to provide defenses and keep her at bay.

    Imagine what could have happened if the Chinese were not Buddhist?

  504. LatW says:
    @Sean
    @John Johnson


    So are you now hoping that Putin uses a nuke? Which would make it clear that he has lost and would bring even more shame to Russia?
     
    Be he a giant or dwarf, an angry humiliated man is a very dangerous man, one who is past worrying about his popularity or even ultimate self preservation. Russia going from man mountain to midget in the eyes of the world is not going to be a good sport about it.

    https://youtu.be/RPgssK8oBb8?t=91


    Which would mean that the pro-Russian side here has been wrong this entire time and there is no secret auxiliary force and Putin is not playing a master game of strategy with Bakhmut.
     
    Zelensky's decisions have all been comparatively good ones (the Russian army build up on Ukraine’s border for the invasion began a matter of days after Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk was arrested on Zelensky’s orders)? Zelensky is not straining every human and materiel resource of his country to recover territories lost since he became leader, and his mobilisation is not causing an outflow of families with potentially catastrophic future demographic consequences?

    Even if Putin orders a battlefield nuke that doesn’t mean it will be carried out.
     
    You are assuming that Putin would be taking the decision rather that acquiescing in advice from his generals for what they might consider a pressing military requirement. The Russian army's' generals are not so different to Nato's. Former Nato commander in Europe Bernard Rogers said shortly after his retirement in the 1980s that he would have requested use of nuclear weapons within hours of a Soviet conventional attack into Western Europe. The more recently retired Nato ground forces Europe commander Ben Hodges is widely quoted for RusFed not using a theatre thermonuclear weapon on Ukrainians because there would be no benefit (presumably he means no net benefit relative to the international opprobrium even from remaining semi allies of the Kremlin), but would Gen Hodges have hesitated to request permission for use of theatre thermo-nukes if the situation warranted it? I think not.

    Replies: @LatW

    He does care about his self-preservation, it’s quite visible. He has several children, some still quite young and he has gone out of his way to protect his older daughters. Besides, he may not even be the one to make that decision. Ultima ratio regis? When he is openly being called “a grandpa who is a complete moron”.

    Besides, the Russian officer’s code of honor forbids the use of nuclear weapons – there is bound to be at least one there who will follow the code.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...He does care about his self-preservation
     
    You still don't get the situation and focus on personalities. Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.

    This happened in spite of the West throwing literally everything at Russia from the financial-economic nuclear bomb to the best arms, in the process using up tens of thousands Ukie fighters. How is that a Western victory? You are caught up in the day-to-day narratives that invent or overstate the Ukie successes - but the map speaks for itself.

    IQ means that a person can anticipate what will happen. What do you think? Ukies will finally stage the winning offensive and push all Russians out? Or Russia breaking up? Try to visualize it and stop dreaming. The reality is simple: Russia is using moderate hands-off force to gradually control and strangle Ukraine. Without a dramatic Western escalation of some kind they will succeed. It will be Zelko worrying about his 'self-preservation' (no, he will be fine across the ocean).

    Replies: @LatW

  505. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I feel you can win the competition for Russian Federation cultural knowledge in the forum.
     
    Thank you, that is very flattering (and I don't even listen to попса, much less Russian естрада).

    Western sanctions list often follows Ukraine. But you know, there are people like Altushkin which probably avoid many lists. While there are the disproportionate sanctions against court entertainers like Baskov.
     
    Right, they need to look a bit more carefully. But these people shouldn't even care about going to Ukraine or the West.

    Morgenshtern isn’t good in the rapping skills, so rap fans don’t like him.
    The lyrics are also not complicated or interesting. [..] He was popular with ordinary kids

     

    Yea, what he does is neither rap, nor singing. It's just silly sounding recitations, with few exceptions during live concerts. Btw, when he started out, he had some dark tones. And he has a recurring theme in his videos of him kneeling in darkness in the rain, his last video was that way, too. It's a beautiful condo in Dubai and then him in the dark, I wonder if it means something.

    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.


    “Morgenshtern” is just the mother’s family name.
     
    Yea, Morning star... so he's not Russian at all? Just Bashkir and Jewish? You can see he's ethnic by his cheek bones, but just barely. The eyes, too.

    Btw, you know who else is half Jewish... Emily Ratajkowski. Half Polish, half Jewish.


    But his videos are a kind of satire of the Russian elite culture and political system, so he is still threatening authorities.
     
    Yes, it is not too direct, but still somewhat visible. Also, he is very openly rude, so some may not like that either.

    Real motives of life in the postsoviet space isn’t “ideological fascism”, it’s small clans controlling the zoo, killing each other, washing money internationally and going on the yacht.
     

    It is post.. there are strands of "ideological fascism" and vatnicism, but also those clans. That's not that great. The good forces are systematically being pushed out (and I'm not talking about liberals).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    he’s not Russian at

    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.

    Though I don’t think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he’s representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.

    His family in negative way was also part of “rich people problems” in Ufa. His father died with debts. His mother had to emigrate to Spain because of problems of her business. There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.

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    he’s ethnic by his cheek bones

    The appearance is exactly Captain Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean

    The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.

    He was organically popular with kids. I don’t think authorities can replace anything like him.

    There was also Egor Kreed who is in the older generation, although he is from a similar kind of regional wealthy family, he is more artificial as he didn’t become famous as YouTuber. He was saying the war with Ukraine was stressful. But his videos after the war are just filmed in Dubai and it’s escapist international content.

    His Blackstar videos was an honest Russian Federation culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRZ67HSDdA. but after the war he goes to happier utopian content as kind of escapism.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWIJhJQYN4o.

    I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.

    The celebrity with the youngest audience, who is agreeing to do any of the patriotic content, is probably Basta. Nobody is more loyal than Basta, he even employs Lavrov’s family. But Basta’s youngest fans are maybe 30 years old.

    In the younger generation, Klava Koka didn’t attend the Defender of the Fatherland Day concert, when the media said she was invited to be one of the singers.

    Patriotism – the monopoly of “dinosaurs”, Basta, Baskov etc.

    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him

    He is adding messages that he has opposition view, but he wants to not go too far, so the door could still be open to return.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It’s a kind of small message,

    It’s behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.

    It’s similar to Maks Korzh. Korzh was becoming unpopular with the young people in Belarus in 2020 because he said they should stop the protest against Lukashenko, but he was also adding a lot of the liberal attitude in his social media.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov. To respond, he just included Abdu Rozik in the video about the exile. Rozik is the enemy of Kadyrov’s Hasbulla.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.
     
    Yes, but I meant his ethnicity, he's quite light so I thought he was at least part Slavic, but in fact, having looked them up, Bahkir skin is light, with those rather distinct features, very attractive people, the eyes look very interesting (neither Asian, neither Turkic, very unique).

    Though I don’t think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he’s representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.
     
    He's not interested in Bashkir stuff at all. I'm guessing he's so mixed that he doesn't have a real ethnicity to identify with. Well, the young will always have slightly "independent" views, although the young can be different.

    What he does care about is the RusFedian legislation - they could shut him out completely, because he is already a "foreign agent" and now they're preparing a law to shut down anyone who cooperates with a "foreign agent", so they won't be able to play him on the RusFedian platforms. He will lose access to his audience entirely. I mean, you can argue he performs "degenerate stuff" or that he's not good for the youth, but still.. not sure this is right from the ethical POV. Although, if I were Russian, he'd probably drive me up the wall (similar "artists" in my own culture, who taunt society, especially with overplayed deviance, they drive me crazy, but in Morgenshtern's case there is a bit of a message there, it's not entirely empty).

    Btw, in his last interview you can tell he's not doing all that great... and has been struggling with depression (constantly vaping and drinking beer - not good). Sounded tapped out creatively. He's following what's going on, because he made a comment: "Я не русский, я узкий" (this is a parody of Shaman's song, so he knows about it). So he cares a lot. It's obvious he misses Russia.


    There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.
     
    The money theme is so overdone in his videos, it's good to have that context - it must be a childhood trauma. That's understandable, otherwise it just looks so tacky as if trying to imitate some American hip hop videos.

    He was organically popular with kids. I don’t think authorities can replace anything like him.
     
    They have now introduced Shaman (Yaroslav). But he seems to be more popular with middle age folks, although some younger women, too. He is the opposite of Morgenshtern, very скрепный. Morgensthern made fun of his song.

    You know, there will always be these kinds of frictions. You see this in the West too. Art should probably be apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn't realize you were into all this popsa, I was under the impression you only liked Rachmaninoff's piano concerts).


    Patriotism – the monopoly of “dinosaurs”, Basta, Baskov etc.
     
    Basta is old, they are trying to promote Yaroslav now.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language.

     

    Where? I didn't notice.

    It’s behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.
     
    He cannot close the door, because his audience is there. That's all he has.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov.
     
    God, I wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully, it looks like he no longer is so eager to be a TikTok celebrity. Go ride your elite Arabian horses - alone in the mountains.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  506. @LatW
    @Sean

    He does care about his self-preservation, it's quite visible. He has several children, some still quite young and he has gone out of his way to protect his older daughters. Besides, he may not even be the one to make that decision. Ultima ratio regis? When he is openly being called "a grandpa who is a complete moron".

    Besides, the Russian officer's code of honor forbids the use of nuclear weapons - there is bound to be at least one there who will follow the code.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …He does care about his self-preservation

    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities. Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.

    This happened in spite of the West throwing literally everything at Russia from the financial-economic nuclear bomb to the best arms, in the process using up tens of thousands Ukie fighters. How is that a Western victory? You are caught up in the day-to-day narratives that invent or overstate the Ukie successes – but the map speaks for itself.

    IQ means that a person can anticipate what will happen. What do you think? Ukies will finally stage the winning offensive and push all Russians out? Or Russia breaking up? Try to visualize it and stop dreaming. The reality is simple: Russia is using moderate hands-off force to gradually control and strangle Ukraine. Without a dramatic Western escalation of some kind they will succeed. It will be Zelko worrying about his ‘self-preservation’ (no, he will be fine across the ocean).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities.
     
    If you read my comments more carefully, then you'd be able to see that I do not just focus on personalities, but have made plenty of general and very simple arguments which should be clear. Nobody knows what will happen and we're all guessing.

    In this case, I was just responding to Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic - in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him. I simply said that it does not appear that he has that kind of a personality (although his current state of mind does seem compromised) - he has a lot to lose since he has invested a lot into his kids. How he would act in the final hour is not known. There are men out there who don't care, but he doesn't seem to be one of them. He may not even be the one in charge.


    Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    The damage to Ukraine is tremendous and what has been done to Ukraine is a huge crime of massive proportions. It will take a lot to help make Ukraine whole again, if that's even possible or at least to help Ukraine reconstruct (it may become a global project with many states pitching in). By the way, the reconstruction has already begun in some areas. When large parts of Ukraine will be rebuilt, they will be rebuilt to a very high standard. This is still sad - the old places that were destroyed, took all the old memories and all the old culture with them... the material is gone, and only the memories in people's minds will remain. Or pictures.

    Ukraine has not yet been destroyed as a state - ше не вмерла! She hasn't died yet. On the contrary, their status seems to be somewhat elevated on the international landscape (feel free to disagree, I know you will). 20% of their territory is an immensely large chunk indeed, this is a giant land grab, no doubt about that, but remember that much was taken before 2022. This is about to become undone - the operation Nebesna Kara (Divine Retribution) has only just started. So we'll see.

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more. I also don't believe that the original goals of the RusFed have been fully met.


    without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    Yea, but there is Western help and it will continue. Besides, Ukrainians have demonstrated that they have good organizational skills - the Ukrainian volunteer movement is an incredible phenomenon, and it functions all by itself. You just choose to not see it and to give them credit. They are the real ones fighting this war.

    How is that a Western victory?
     
    I am getting more inclined with every day to distance myself from anything that you refer here as "Western victory" (although you might want to think about the fact that for the so called "neo-cons" this may not even be such a bad result in the end).

    For me, there will be no "victory" here, just grief and sorrow. Even if a de facto victory and the tremendous heroism of the Ukrainian military will be acknowledged. On the day of victory, we will grieve for the dead.


    but the map speaks for itself.
     
    Is the map static?

    Or Russia breaking up?
     
    Once again, be careful what you say. Even if something doesn't seem likely, with your words, you bring it within the realm of possibility. Don't hex yourself.

    Replies: @AP, @Sean, @Beckow

  507. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages. If Zionists could claim Palestine based on 2,000-year-old history, why can't Poles do the same for Silesia with somewhat more recent history?

    Also, Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary had they agreed to ally with Hitler early enough. Heck, even allying with Hitler late or at least quickly submitting to Hitler would have probably resulted in a Czech scenario for Poland. But a Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages.

    Sure it was, hundreds of years ago. And also Czech, Habsburg and a part of the German Empire. It was not in any sense “Polish”, the population was German with few local ‘Silesians’ in the very east. There was simply no Polish claim – it was a gift to Poland by Russia. Without Russian sacrificing half a million soldiers this was not even a possibility. Russia was trying to be friendly and it backfired – as it always does when Russia tries to be nice. The hatreds of the beneficiaries are not curable. I am nor sure Russia will ever learn that lesson.

    Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934 – they were the first Nazi ally, even before Italy. But it couldn’t work: the map was unforgiving and the point of German Nazism was ‘lebensraum’ – living space for Germans: Poland was directly in the way – Hungary wasn’t and they are not Slavs so they got some breaks. It simply was not possible – it would go directly against the core Nazi belief.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed and the Polish Jews were the first ones targeted. The only Polish Jews who were saved were around 1 million who were evacuated by Russians after M-R to the east. Without M-R treaty they would be murdered too. The choices at that time were all bad, but you like to focus only on one side’s choices.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    "Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary"

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934
     
    No, Poland rebuffed efforts at an alliance with Germany and only agreed to a nonaggression treaty in 1934 in which each side recognized the other's post-Versailles territory and promised not to attack the other.

    Furthermore, at the time that this pat was signed with Hitler, Poland also sent its foreign minister to the USSR to confirm a nonaggression pact with the USSR also. So it was clearly not an anti-Soviet pact. Just an agreement to recognize borders and not attack one another. You are lying again.

    You are repeating fairy tales told by Soviets to ignorant people who believe them.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    "After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. "

    Hitler was so eager for an alliance with Poland that after Pilsudski's death he came to Warsaw for the funeral. But no alliance was signed, by the stubborn Poles.

    In their place, the Slovaks would have signed an alliance. Indeed they did so. But Poles were not Slovaks.

    By refusing to join Hitler in his anti-Soviet crusade (which with Polish participation would have meant the end of the USSR and annihilation of the Soviet people), the Poles lost millions of people. Probably no nation is as lacking of gratitude towards anyone, as Russians are towards Poles, whose stubborn refusal to join the Nazis in an anti-Soviet crusade (at great price to themselves) enabled the Russians to continue to exist.

    In contrast to the limited Polish-German nonaggression pact, several pacts signed between the Soviets and Nazis indicated an actual alliance.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact involved an agreement to divide Europe between themselves.

    The German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) and German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) resulted in the Soviets supplying the German war machine with raw materials and oil that were used in Germany's war against the West.

    From wiki: During both the first period of the 1940 agreement (11 February 1940 to 1941) and the second (11 February 1941 until the Pact was broken), Germany received massive quantities of raw materials, including over:[4]: 47 [5]: 

    1,500,000 metric tons (1,700,000 short tons; 1,500,000 long tons) of grains
    820,000 metric tons (900,000 short tons; 810,000 long tons) of oil
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of cotton
    130,000 metric tons (140,000 short tons; 130,000 long tons) of manganese
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of phosphates
    18,000 metric tons (20,000 short tons; 18,000 long tons) of chrome ore
    16,000 metric tons (18,000 short tons; 16,000 long tons) of rubber
    91,000 metric tons (100,000 short tons; 90,000 long tons) of soybeans
    450,000 metric tons (500,000 short tons; 440,000 long tons) of iron ores
    270,000 metric tons (300,000 short tons; 270,000 long tons) of scrap metal and pig iron
    200,000 kilograms (440,000 lb) of platinum

    Large amounts of crude oil were delivered, with German documents in 1940 already indicating that the Soviets had delivered crude oil at a rate of 140,000 metric tons (150,000 short tons; 140,000 long tons) a month for five months in 900 German tank cars exclusively reserved for it.

    :::::::::::::::

    That is the difference between an alliance and a mere non-aggression pact.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed
     
    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies. If Horthy remains loyal to Hitler up to the very end, chances are that many more Hungarian Jews--possibly even the overwhelming majority of them--would have ended up surviving the Holocaust. The Jews of both Bulgaria and the Old Kingdom of Romania were more fortunate than the Jews of Greater Hungary because Bulgaria and Romania remained loyal to Hitler for a longer time period. AFAIK, Bulgaria never betrayed Hitler, and Romania only unexpectedly did so at the very last moment as a result of a coup, before Hitler was able to react to this.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  508. Sometimes I wonder if Mikel, Sean, LatW and John Johnson aren’t the same person. Pointless regurgitation of the same propaganda points, over and over, no matter how obviously false.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Sometimes I wonder if Mikel, Sean, LatW and John Johnson aren’t the same person. Pointless regurgitation of the same propaganda points, over and over, no matter how obviously false.
     
    Insufficient evidence. E.g., 80-90% of the US population (that’s 260-300 million people) believe the same BS spewed by the MSM. That does not mean that it’s one and the same person.

    On a more general note, in any society stupid people constitute a significant fraction of the population. Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.

    Replies: @Sean

  509. Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again, walking in to their own propaganda trap again.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    Somehow both sides are managing to lose

    Replies: @A123

    , @Beckow
    @LondonBob

    That's all they have left to gift - killed Ukie men (and correspondingly more easy Ukie women). They started out more promisingly: Crimea strategic location, arable land, riches for the connected Westerners, location perfect to threaten Russia.

    That is mostly gone, what they have left is to offer their men. This will go down in history as one of those bizarre moments when years of propaganda and stirred-up hatreds killed a large part of the nation. How can this possibly be good for the Ukies?

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again
     
    Good riddance.
  510. @LondonBob
    Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again, walking in to their own propaganda trap again.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Somehow both sides are managing to lose

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    Somehow both sides are managing to lose
     
    Not quite. The situations is better explained with:

    • Russia is underperforming
    • Kiev has no hope of winning

    Ukie Maximalists defining the objective as the capture of Crimea, or even returning to the 2022 lines is painfully unworkable. Do not ask the right/wrong question. Ask, "Would Putin use nukes to survive?" That would be, "Yes."

    Is there any difference of international reaction between use of tactical versus strategic nuclear weapons? Essentially none. There is an easy to execute strategic option. Destroy Odessa (and its ports), Kiev, Lviv, and rail infrastructure. UkieMax would be broken and cut off from resupply.

    After unilaterally abrogating Minsk, the Kiev regime is going to have to make concessions. Or, keep fighting within hope of winning. There is still no viable strategy coming from Zelensky. Groveling for money buys time... It does not provide a long term plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  511. @LondonBob
    Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again, walking in to their own propaganda trap again.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    That’s all they have left to gift – killed Ukie men (and correspondingly more easy Ukie women). They started out more promisingly: Crimea strategic location, arable land, riches for the connected Westerners, location perfect to threaten Russia.

    That is mostly gone, what they have left is to offer their men. This will go down in history as one of those bizarre moments when years of propaganda and stirred-up hatreds killed a large part of the nation. How can this possibly be good for the Ukies?

  512. @LatW
    @Coconuts

    Is there enough housing for all of them?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Coconuts

    No, unfortunately there is already a housing shortage.

    The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions to this point (looks like trippling the highest pre-Brexit figures) was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.

    Supposedlly it is a right-wing government hostile to migration. In this case I wonder what the pro-migration left might be like.

    The budgetary planning for public services and utilities is all still being done on estimates of 250,000 immigrants per year.

    I think this is still the Third Way’ in action, Liberal economics + social liberalism.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    No, unfortunately there is already a housing shortage.
     
    Well, they've been saying this for decades now, that the island is so small, there will always be a housing shortage, then why is this not raised as a counter-argument for the uncontrolled immigration...

    The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions to this point (looks like trippling the highest pre-Brexit figures) was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.
     
    Well, at what point did that change, is this something that the Home Office just decided to do by themselves? It smacks a bit of anarcho-tyranny... as in, let's do something wild and crazy like that and then let's have the ordinary British pay for it and deal with the consequences. Typical.

    One million is, afaik, what the US accepts per year, and the US is much larger, so for the UK, this is insane. But maybe they are doing this to maintain Britain's greatness - they just constantly need more people, more prospective citizens. That is quite risky and can actually compromise your greatness. Russia can maybe pull this off because Russia probably has a much bigger capacity to absorb, not sure about Britain (not that it should be done that way in the case of either of those two!).


    I think this is still the Third Way’ in action, Liberal economics + social liberalism.
     
    It might be that these things are so entrenched and have been there for so long, that it's very difficult to make any kind of a political transition towards real right wing politics (even if these right wing politics would have to co-exist with the woke parties).
  513. @Mikel
    @Sean

    I think we discussed this some months ago and using tactical nukes in Ukraine makes no sense. If the Russian Army is unable to provide shells and ATGMs to the troops on the frontlines, it will be even more unable to provide them with radiation protection on the eve of a nuclear attack. The nukes would affect its own troops and leave behind a wasteland of little value for anyone. I'm not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    For some reason, Putin in unwilling or unable to do any of that. He didn't follow through with his initial threats of reprisals against the West if it interfered with the SMO and all red lines are being crossed one after the other. There is no doubt that F-16s will appear in Ukraine in due time (the Dutch declared their readiness to supply them the other day), although they may not even be necessary. The attempt to dismantle the Ukrainian electrical grid with the flying mopeds, some cruise missiles and repurposed S-300 rockets was inconsistent and ultimately a failure. And the winter offensive was finally reduced to a snail pace advance in Soledar and Bakhmut carried out at a huge cost by the mercenaries, the only part of the Russian military that has shown some competence. These advances are now being reversed as we speak.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely than a resort to tactical nukes. That's if the strategical ones don't start flying in case of some misunderstanding or the final red line is crossed while the Ukrainians rout the Russian forces.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

    With all the deficiencies in the Russian military revealed by the SMO, Russia should still theoretically be able to defeat Ukraine conventionally if the Kremlin was willing to wage a full on war with general mobilization, war economy, asymmetrical responses to the Western supplies of weapons and intelligence to Ukraine and swift removal of the incompetent generals by the Commander in Chief.

    Kofman says the Russians ‘fail fast and fail cheap’ and reinforce any hint of success. Also the Author of the interpretive work Icon and Axe (Billington) “showcased how the icon was wielded militantly while the axe was used delicately”.

    I’m not even sure that they could stop a Ukrainian advance but they would guarantee a NATO response.

    The response to Russia administering some theatre thermonuclear reality therapy would be Nato strategists’ silk underwear bunching up and then them closing down the war ASAP.

    Absent some major change, I see a coup in Moscow more likely

    Nothing in actual Russian history–as opposed to Westernizing narratives so popular among historians–would lead one to the conclusion that Putin may be overthrown for confronting the Wes–quite the opposite. Russia’s armed forces Military Service Oath requires soldiers to swear to obey the RusFed Constitution, not overthrow the duly appointed Pres.

  514. …The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions…was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.

    Unfortunately they are not the ‘clowns’, people who believed them are.

    If I was a wealthy plutocrat worried about how the modern democratic society can take away my stuff I would open the borders: cheaper labor, collapse in solidarity, convenient political distraction. It is the only way the rich can maintain control short of brute force.

    The housing shortage is a bonus: to control people one of their basic needs has to be scarce. Since food is no longer scarce – the food shortages caused all previous revolutions and the elites learned the lesson – and curtailing medical care is too obvious, they decided to use housing as the sword hanging over most people. More migrants and less housing has two benefits: it enriches landlords and it assures fear among the people.

    Scared people don’t revolt, but they vote like sheep for A or B, and then again for A…a beautiful closed cycle. It will not last forever – mathematically it can’t – in the meantime everyone will play their assigned roles.

  515. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    At least they didn't color it for the Palestinian group!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    You sound like one of those Reality-based Community partisans. Veterans Today readers have more fun.

    www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/10/the-nasty-truth-zelensky-and-the-km-in-a-nutshell-by-cliff-high/

  516. @QCIC
    @Sean


    Russia is lucky to not have more aggressive enemies (LatW)
     
    Russia will use more aggressive measures against more dangerous or more hated enemies.

    I believe they view Ukraine as the misguided brother-in-law or the retarded cousin. He is a relative, but must be dealt with to protect the family. He is armed, so the issue is serious.

    But not Dresden serious. Not Nagasaki serious.

    Not yet.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Russia would have used nukes, RusFed would not.

  517. Bit more relief for poor indebted USA:

    3 hours ago

    Germany’s Defense Ministry has announced a new military aid package for Ukraine, which will include 20 additional Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard 1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

    Berlin has promised Ukraine further arms deliveries worth €2.7 billion ($2.95 billion) ahead of a possible visit to Germany by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the German Defense Ministry said on Saturday.

    According to the ministry, the package includes 20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

    “We all hope for a rapid end to this terrible war by Russia against the Ukrainian people, but unfortunately this is not in sight. This is why Germany will supply all the help that it can, for as long as necessary,” Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said in a statement.

    Biggest German military aid package yet

    German newsmagazine Der Spiegel was the first to report on the aid. It said the package, which is Germany’s biggest yet to Ukraine, would also include 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    Berlin has promised Ukraine further arms deliveries worth €2.7 billion ($2.95 billion)
     
    Kiev aggression consumes over €7 billion PER MONTH. So Germany is offering ~2 weeks of resources.

    • What is the delivery time frame for these weapons?
    • Will Scholz announce packages like this two or three times per month?

    If this is the best that the pro-War German Green Party can deliver, Zelensky is in a great deal of trouble.

    PEACE 😇
  518. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    Bit more relief for poor indebted USA:

    3 hours ago

    Germany's Defense Ministry has announced a new military aid package for Ukraine, which will include 20 additional Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard 1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

    Berlin has promised Ukraine further arms deliveries worth €2.7 billion ($2.95 billion) ahead of a possible visit to Germany by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the German Defense Ministry said on Saturday.

    According to the ministry, the package includes 20 more Marder infantry fighting vehicles, 30 Leopard-1 tanks and four IRIS-T-SLM air defense systems.

    "We all hope for a rapid end to this terrible war by Russia against the Ukrainian people, but unfortunately this is not in sight. This is why Germany will supply all the help that it can, for as long as necessary," Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said in a statement.

    Biggest German military aid package yet

    German newsmagazine Der Spiegel was the first to report on the aid. It said the package, which is Germany's biggest yet to Ukraine, would also include 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks, 200 reconnaissance drones, anti-aircraft ammunition, additional artillery ammunition and more than 200 armored combat and logistics vehicles.
     

    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-send-ukraine-27-billion-military-aid-package/a-65612028

    Replies: @A123

    Berlin has promised Ukraine further arms deliveries worth €2.7 billion ($2.95 billion)

    Kiev aggression consumes over €7 billion PER MONTH. So Germany is offering ~2 weeks of resources.

    • What is the delivery time frame for these weapons?
    • Will Scholz announce packages like this two or three times per month?

    If this is the best that the pro-War German Green Party can deliver, Zelensky is in a great deal of trouble.

    PEACE 😇

  519. Hardcore vatnik, former USSR air force colonel Viktor Alksnis impressions about state TVs fan in RF:

    I had a conversation with a retired colonel, a former commander of a motorized rifle regiment. He seriously was convincing me that everything is fine in Ukraine, we are advancing, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are retreating. Every day we grind thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and soon Ukraine will have no one to fight. To my question, where does he get such information from, he replied that he closely follows the television news.

    And the Internet? He answered – he has a computer at home, but he does not know how to use it, and most importantly, he does not want to use the enemy Internet in principle, since American propaganda is going on there around the clock.

    And I sadly thought that if even the former commander of the regiment has such judgments, then what can we say about the mood of the majority of Russian television viewers. But such sentiments in Russian society in the conditions of the failure of the NWO are a direct path to disaster.

    https://t.me/blackcolonel2020/908

    Alksnis is very wrong though, because we can perfectly see from LondonBob, AnonfromTN et al. – it is absolutely not required to be afraid of Internet in order to have absolutely the same beliefs as fanatical state RU TV believers;

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    the failure of the NWO
     
    Unfortunately (or luckily) enough, we most probably won't live long enough to see the failure of the New World Order.

    About the internet RusFed enthusiasts and Putinists - they live in a reality of heir own making, just like their opponents -the Russophobes.

    That controlles dialectics for you.

    Thesis, antithesis, and the synthesis being the destruction of the Eastern Slav on their native territories.

    Replies: @sudden death

  520. @sudden death
    Hardcore vatnik, former USSR air force colonel Viktor Alksnis impressions about state TVs fan in RF:

    I had a conversation with a retired colonel, a former commander of a motorized rifle regiment. He seriously was convincing me that everything is fine in Ukraine, we are advancing, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine are retreating. Every day we grind thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and soon Ukraine will have no one to fight. To my question, where does he get such information from, he replied that he closely follows the television news.

    And the Internet? He answered - he has a computer at home, but he does not know how to use it, and most importantly, he does not want to use the enemy Internet in principle, since American propaganda is going on there around the clock.

    And I sadly thought that if even the former commander of the regiment has such judgments, then what can we say about the mood of the majority of Russian television viewers. But such sentiments in Russian society in the conditions of the failure of the NWO are a direct path to disaster.

    https://t.me/blackcolonel2020/908
     

    Alksnis is very wrong though, because we can perfectly see from LondonBob, AnonfromTN et al. - it is absolutely not required to be afraid of Internet in order to have absolutely the same beliefs as fanatical state RU TV believers;

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    the failure of the NWO

    Unfortunately (or luckily) enough, we most probably won’t live long enough to see the failure of the New World Order.

    About the internet RusFed enthusiasts and Putinists – they live in a reality of heir own making, just like their opponents -the Russophobes.

    That controlles dialectics for you.

    Thesis, antithesis, and the synthesis being the destruction of the Eastern Slav on their native territories.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    NWO
     
    heh, sounds good too, but ofc Alksnis wrote about SMO in Russian, which Google autotranslate AI interpreted into English as NWO for some reason, lol

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  521. I usually avoid commenting about the war between the two Globalist Bantustans widely known as Russia and Ukraine.

    But sometimes, one has to write about especially remarkable events in tribal warfare dynamics.

    In the last 24 hours, RusFed-ian airforce has lost four aircraft shot over the RusFedian territory itself: two Mi-8 helicopters, one Su34 and one Su35 fighter jets. As mentioned, the aircrafts have been shot inside RusFedian territory. One of the helicopters was carrying an electronic antidrone/missile defense system which didn’t help.

    The RusFedian airforce, which has been more or less useless before, is now becoming irrelevant. The existence of this airforce was the last argument in favor of RusFed being able to repel the Ukiestani offensive.

    As I wrote a couple of times previously, it will be a very interesting year in RusFed. It would be extremely cynical if our Benevolent Progressor Leaders would have decided to bankrupt and liquidate the RusFed Ltd cryptocolonial corporation in 2025, that is exactly 40 years later after the official beginning of the Perestroika.

    “Our home is Europe, convergence in our lifetime, peace in our days…”

  522. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    the failure of the NWO
     
    Unfortunately (or luckily) enough, we most probably won't live long enough to see the failure of the New World Order.

    About the internet RusFed enthusiasts and Putinists - they live in a reality of heir own making, just like their opponents -the Russophobes.

    That controlles dialectics for you.

    Thesis, antithesis, and the synthesis being the destruction of the Eastern Slav on their native territories.

    Replies: @sudden death

    NWO

    heh, sounds good too, but ofc Alksnis wrote about SMO in Russian, which Google autotranslate AI interpreted into English as NWO for some reason, lol

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    Google autotranslate AI interpreted into English as NWO for some reason, lol
     
    Google AI has just shown that it knows more than it shows and is capable of complex geopolitical reasoning.

    Turing test passed successfully.

    😉
  523. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    Somehow both sides are managing to lose

    Replies: @A123

    Somehow both sides are managing to lose

    Not quite. The situations is better explained with:

    • Russia is underperforming
    • Kiev has no hope of winning

    Ukie Maximalists defining the objective as the capture of Crimea, or even returning to the 2022 lines is painfully unworkable. Do not ask the right/wrong question. Ask, “Would Putin use nukes to survive?” That would be, “Yes.”

    Is there any difference of international reaction between use of tactical versus strategic nuclear weapons? Essentially none. There is an easy to execute strategic option. Destroy Odessa (and its ports), Kiev, Lviv, and rail infrastructure. UkieMax would be broken and cut off from resupply.

    After unilaterally abrogating Minsk, the Kiev regime is going to have to make concessions. Or, keep fighting within hope of winning. There is still no viable strategy coming from Zelensky. Groveling for money buys time… It does not provide a long term plan.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Putin's survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces in order to quell any traitorous antiputinist scum from the streets of RF in case of UA victory, no any need to launch nukes for staying at the throne;)

    Replies: @A123

  524. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There's a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You sound like one of those Reality-based Community partisans. Veterans Today readers have more fun.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/10/the-nasty-truth-zelensky-and-the-km-in-a-nutshell-by-cliff-high/

  525. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    NWO
     
    heh, sounds good too, but ofc Alksnis wrote about SMO in Russian, which Google autotranslate AI interpreted into English as NWO for some reason, lol

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Google autotranslate AI interpreted into English as NWO for some reason, lol

    Google AI has just shown that it knows more than it shows and is capable of complex geopolitical reasoning.

    Turing test passed successfully.

    😉

  526. @A123
    @Greasy William


    Somehow both sides are managing to lose
     
    Not quite. The situations is better explained with:

    • Russia is underperforming
    • Kiev has no hope of winning

    Ukie Maximalists defining the objective as the capture of Crimea, or even returning to the 2022 lines is painfully unworkable. Do not ask the right/wrong question. Ask, "Would Putin use nukes to survive?" That would be, "Yes."

    Is there any difference of international reaction between use of tactical versus strategic nuclear weapons? Essentially none. There is an easy to execute strategic option. Destroy Odessa (and its ports), Kiev, Lviv, and rail infrastructure. UkieMax would be broken and cut off from resupply.

    After unilaterally abrogating Minsk, the Kiev regime is going to have to make concessions. Or, keep fighting within hope of winning. There is still no viable strategy coming from Zelensky. Groveling for money buys time... It does not provide a long term plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    Putin’s survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces in order to quell any traitorous antiputinist scum from the streets of RF in case of UA victory, no any need to launch nukes for staying at the throne;)

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    I doubt that Putin sees it that way. Or, Xi for that matter.

    Try to be serious... Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks. If you think Putin will not use nukes.... You are kidding yourself.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  527. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123

    Putin's survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces in order to quell any traitorous antiputinist scum from the streets of RF in case of UA victory, no any need to launch nukes for staying at the throne;)

    Replies: @A123

    I doubt that Putin sees it that way. Or, Xi for that matter.

    Try to be serious… Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks. If you think Putin will not use nukes…. You are kidding yourself.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals that CCP'ied China is seriously backing him, cause there is no need to persuade RF population for Xi.

    RF elections are fully controlled and desired results without much problems can be painted in MS Paint if required by Putin despite whatever real numbers may be in 2024, especially knowing that he still get around 35% of all votes thanx to RU TV zombies even without serious falsifying.

    So 2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.

    Replies: @A123

  528. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I hear them at night occasionally and do not like it. I don't know if they are celebrating a kill but I believe that would be creepy!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    This fellow is a professor of some sort and coyote-phile. He said there are biologists who documented that the public land managers poisoning coyotes have altered the population so that instead of having 2-3 offspring at a time they are now popping out 6 or more in the areas where the eradication programs are at max level. They used to be confined to states west of the Mississippi River and are now in every state except Hawaii.

    When I see a coyote it is usually the ass end of it as they flee from humans, but one time there was one with nose to ground concentrating on some smell and it got right up behind me about four feet from my right heel. As soon as it figured out what’s what it peeled off faster than Road Runner. Poof. Gone.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The expansion of the population of coyotes and feral hogs in the US during my lifetime is interesting. I wonder if this is mostly due to the fact we have vastly fewer farmers than a hundred years ago? Farmers are also hunters and kept these species in check. The coyotes grew in the vacuum created by loss of bigger predators and the hogs grew in the general predator vacuum. There are excessive numbers of deer in some areas, probably for similar reasons.

    Nature adapts.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  529. QCIC says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbVNrprs4KM&ab_channel=BYUReddCenter

    This fellow is a professor of some sort and coyote-phile. He said there are biologists who documented that the public land managers poisoning coyotes have altered the population so that instead of having 2-3 offspring at a time they are now popping out 6 or more in the areas where the eradication programs are at max level. They used to be confined to states west of the Mississippi River and are now in every state except Hawaii.

    When I see a coyote it is usually the ass end of it as they flee from humans, but one time there was one with nose to ground concentrating on some smell and it got right up behind me about four feet from my right heel. As soon as it figured out what's what it peeled off faster than Road Runner. Poof. Gone.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The expansion of the population of coyotes and feral hogs in the US during my lifetime is interesting. I wonder if this is mostly due to the fact we have vastly fewer farmers than a hundred years ago? Farmers are also hunters and kept these species in check. The coyotes grew in the vacuum created by loss of bigger predators and the hogs grew in the general predator vacuum. There are excessive numbers of deer in some areas, probably for similar reasons.

    Nature adapts.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    The coyotes didn't live in high numbers where wolves lived.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

  530. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    The tragedy of nigger.

    Nigger's special name must have helped perpetuate his fame as memory of the bouncing bombs has been fading.

    There are some stories coming out that net migration to the UK is going to be nearly 1 million this year. Mostly from outside of Europe. Wonder if UK, Ireland and Portugal are in some kind of race?

    Replies: @LatW, @songbird

    And

    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis. And maybe one would still need suicide collars for the elites if they misbehave.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis.
     
    Within the Anglosphere, slavery, and not truly having dealt with it by abolishing it, but instead monetizing it with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, really screwed things up.

    You can't serve two masters.

    The Anglosphere elites and hangers on chose to serve their slaves, both chattel and wage, (and the monetary profits and political power that comes with it), rather than serve the interests of their own people.

    The answer, going back to the time of Jamestown and the Plymouth colony of Virginia and Massachusetts respectively, when slaves were first introduced by diktat in the early 17th century, has always been at minimum to separate from these people.

    Easier said than done to be sure, but that always should of been the aim.

    The US Civil War, in reality a spat between the promoters of chattel slavery in the South and wage slavery in the North, was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown both them and their slave systems.

    Now, the wage slavery contagion (ie so called 'cheap labor'/mass immigration) has not only spread throughout the Anglosphere, but like a cancer whuch has metastatized, has spread throughout much of the rest of the world besides. :-(

    Replies: @songbird

  531. Some believe that coyotes were semidomesticated by Injuns. Perhaps, that is evidence for the putative inferiority of New World dogs.

    I once saw a coyote lying behind a white picket fence, quite close to the city, and I was impressed by how dog-like it seemed. It almost seemed to know it could pass for a dog, among the gullible. It didn’t move at all, while I was looking at it, until I gave it a sign that I knew it wasn’t a dog.

    For me, coyotes are an example of the triumph of the r-selected (in relative terms). I appreciate their predation on rodents, but in places where packs of them try to grab people’s elderly golden retrievers, while they are being walked on a leash, I would machine gun them.

    Another interesting thing about them is that the gene-flow between various canines almost seems to have echoes of that between ancient hominins.

    Suspect Dmitri would try to pet a coyote.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You can see coyotes in the wilder parts of metro Phoenix, in the large parks etc. and also on the outskirts in the more affluent suburbs. Hiking through the inner city parks, I've seen a few real scraggly and skinny looking creatures from a good distance hijacking it quite quickly through the desert landscapes, no doubt in search of food. One day, I saw a really interesting sight. After driving a caregiver friend of mine to a job one day, in some far away suburb (don't remember where right now), I spot a large looking dog prancing down a sidewalk in a nice neighborhood. As I keep my eye on him I realize that it's not a dog, but a full grown, well fed coyote. I'd never seen one that big, and it was a sight to behold. I've been told that they like to live and feed around the more affluent neighborhoods where the garbage cans can still hold a tasty feast. The difference between to two coyotes could not be more stark.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  532. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm currently reading Noah Yuval Harari's Homo Deus which is actually a good read. He's a smart guy and like AK clearly believes that AI and genetic engineering will create superhumans who will make normal humans obsolete. Harari seems to think that if you miss the bus on this one you will be rendered forever extraneous.

    Maybe he's right and perhaps in a few more years this will be somewhat true for the rich at any rate.

    Thus far the track record has been that all the tech has just made people even more retarded than they already were, so I'm sticking to my Luddite guns. My skepticism has been well placed so far.

    Some music for my place in the supposed AI revolution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nhZxzJAkY

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

    Very competent musicianship with wisps of Porcupine Tree and Dream Theater thrown in for good measure. The lead singer betrays no Polishness in his enunciation, perhaps a second generationer born in the US?

  533. @songbird
    Some believe that coyotes were semidomesticated by Injuns. Perhaps, that is evidence for the putative inferiority of New World dogs.

    I once saw a coyote lying behind a white picket fence, quite close to the city, and I was impressed by how dog-like it seemed. It almost seemed to know it could pass for a dog, among the gullible. It didn't move at all, while I was looking at it, until I gave it a sign that I knew it wasn't a dog.

    For me, coyotes are an example of the triumph of the r-selected (in relative terms). I appreciate their predation on rodents, but in places where packs of them try to grab people's elderly golden retrievers, while they are being walked on a leash, I would machine gun them.

    Another interesting thing about them is that the gene-flow between various canines almost seems to have echoes of that between ancient hominins.

    Suspect Dmitri would try to pet a coyote.
    https://youtube.com/shorts/rzcMMNowIUM?feature=share

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You can see coyotes in the wilder parts of metro Phoenix, in the large parks etc. and also on the outskirts in the more affluent suburbs. Hiking through the inner city parks, I’ve seen a few real scraggly and skinny looking creatures from a good distance hijacking it quite quickly through the desert landscapes, no doubt in search of food. One day, I saw a really interesting sight. After driving a caregiver friend of mine to a job one day, in some far away suburb (don’t remember where right now), I spot a large looking dog prancing down a sidewalk in a nice neighborhood. As I keep my eye on him I realize that it’s not a dog, but a full grown, well fed coyote. I’d never seen one that big, and it was a sight to behold. I’ve been told that they like to live and feed around the more affluent neighborhoods where the garbage cans can still hold a tasty feast. The difference between to two coyotes could not be more stark.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer. An example would be the eastern coyote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Mr. Hack

  534. Funny that they gave a Pulitzer to a tranny. Am sure that they didn’t read the book.

    At one time, they used to give it to people like John P. Marquand, who created Mr. Moto.

  535. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You can see coyotes in the wilder parts of metro Phoenix, in the large parks etc. and also on the outskirts in the more affluent suburbs. Hiking through the inner city parks, I've seen a few real scraggly and skinny looking creatures from a good distance hijacking it quite quickly through the desert landscapes, no doubt in search of food. One day, I saw a really interesting sight. After driving a caregiver friend of mine to a job one day, in some far away suburb (don't remember where right now), I spot a large looking dog prancing down a sidewalk in a nice neighborhood. As I keep my eye on him I realize that it's not a dog, but a full grown, well fed coyote. I'd never seen one that big, and it was a sight to behold. I've been told that they like to live and feed around the more affluent neighborhoods where the garbage cans can still hold a tasty feast. The difference between to two coyotes could not be more stark.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer. An example would be the eastern coyote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer.

     

    https://www.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/655285474/display_1500/stock-photo-dead-coyotes-hanging-from-fence-655285474.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    I was just out West and can confirm that the coyotes I saw out there are significantly smaller than the coyotes I have seen in my neighborhood while walking my dog at night. They are beautiful creatures, I don't have the antipathy towards them that some Western ranchers have.

    Sometimes they run away, other times they politely stay on their side of the street as we walk past. My dog is a wolf-like medium sized sled dog, comparable in size to Eastern coyotes and therefore larger than the ones I saw out West. Red foxes are more skittish, but they are fairly small.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all,
     
    It's even rumored that in Arizona, the largest, smartest and most athletic even interbreed with human beings:

    https://cdn.freebiesupply.com/logos/large/2x/phoenix-coyotes-6-logo-svg-vector.svg :-)

    Replies: @AP, @Ivashka the fool

  536. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm currently reading Noah Yuval Harari's Homo Deus which is actually a good read. He's a smart guy and like AK clearly believes that AI and genetic engineering will create superhumans who will make normal humans obsolete. Harari seems to think that if you miss the bus on this one you will be rendered forever extraneous.

    Maybe he's right and perhaps in a few more years this will be somewhat true for the rich at any rate.

    Thus far the track record has been that all the tech has just made people even more retarded than they already were, so I'm sticking to my Luddite guns. My skepticism has been well placed so far.

    Some music for my place in the supposed AI revolution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6nhZxzJAkY

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @Ivashka the fool

    The music is good although their style is too diverse for my taste, as if they tries to blend all the different musical influences into one.

    When it comes to representing the future (failure of) merging of mankind and the technosphere, I believe none has been as good as Voivod.

  537. Some weekend humor from the Dmitry Ponomaryov’s (Red DVL) Tg Channel.

    How will Russian society react to the epic f☆ckup of Zaputin’s peshmerga in Ukraine? Well, if the Armed Forces of Ukraine really go on the offensive?

    The reaction would be calm and positive. Official propaganda will say that “the goals of the SMO have been fulfilled, NATO’s aggression against the Russian Federation has failed.” The military correspondents will write about “grinding the crest.” The surrender of Crimea and the flight from it will be called redeployment and “trapping the Khokhol.”

    The defeat of the ResFed – an humiliating defeat and the payment of indemnities and contributions for the next 20 years are beneficial to the ruling class, the multimillion-dollar horde of security forces. Yes, the so-called. “Ruspatriots” will hang around a little in blogs, but they are nothing at all. Plus, the vast majority of professional-Russians are pissingly afraid of their superiors. They have this programmed into their bios: to obey and believe.

    In general, the very question of “society” is ridiculous. There is no society in Russia. There are the “GBils”, security forces and watchmen along with affiliated “biznyuks”, there is Chechnya, there are “partners”: mountain Tats, Armenians, Azeris and so on. A small caste of Jews, Germans and Armenians who run the whole mess. Plus migrant diasporas from “friendly satrapies”.

    No one would and no one will be able to arrange any “coups”. Pynya will sit on his throne until some point, then an AI will replace him with another actor. Life cannot be stopped. #humor

  538. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer. An example would be the eastern coyote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    True men don't kill coyotes.



    https://youtu.be/K-1P4XE4U_o

  539. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer. An example would be the eastern coyote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    I was just out West and can confirm that the coyotes I saw out there are significantly smaller than the coyotes I have seen in my neighborhood while walking my dog at night. They are beautiful creatures, I don’t have the antipathy towards them that some Western ranchers have.

    Sometimes they run away, other times they politely stay on their side of the street as we walk past. My dog is a wolf-like medium sized sled dog, comparable in size to Eastern coyotes and therefore larger than the ones I saw out West. Red foxes are more skittish, but they are fairly small.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Welcome back! Were you able to make it beyond your former old stomping grounds in Nevada? BTW, I watched a good psychological noir film last night "Leave her to Heaven" starring Gene Tierney and Cornel Wilde. The film included some really gorgeous landscape shots of a "lake in northern Maine" and also ocean beach views of the sea in the area too. About half of the film was shot in AZ and New Mexico too with beautiful redrock scenes as well. I bring this up because I know you've always been a strong fan and proponent of New England scenery. A good solid 3.75/5.0 in my book. It looks like I'm not the only one that thinks that this is a very good film:


    In the decades after its release, the film garnered a cult following.[7] Critic Emanuel Levy attributes its cult status to its blurring of genres, ultimately resulting in a "one of a kind work."[7] In 2018, it was selected for the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".[3]

     

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    I think Coyotes have cleaned out off-leash pets in some places, especially cats.

    The ones I have seen in suburban areas of the Southwest and Northeast are small, but in the Western USA and probably the North I believe they can be much larger.

    Coyotes kill deer no problem.

  540. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer.

     

    https://www.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/655285474/display_1500/stock-photo-dead-coyotes-hanging-from-fence-655285474.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    True men don’t kill coyotes.

    [MORE]

  541. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all, they are supposedly becoming big and smart enough to hunt for the younger deer. An example would be the eastern coyote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_coyote

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all,

    It’s even rumored that in Arizona, the largest, smartest and most athletic even interbreed with human beings:

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I drove through the Phoenix area while passing to other places. Why is gas so expensive there? It's about $.50 cheaper per gallon in both Tucson and Kingman. Phoenix is a weird zone of very expensive gasoline.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Didn't watch hockey in a very long time, are they any good?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

  542. Latest rumor is that Lukashenko may have been poisoned
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-pal-lukashenko-may-29943024

    I wouldn’t be surprised. Putin has wanted Lukashenko to open a northern front with his tanks but so far hasn’t budged.

    Putin may be planning on taking Belarus or replacing him with a pro-war puppet.

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    @John Johnson

    Following every rumor to enhance your understanding of the war is no way to go through life, son.

  543. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The expansion of the population of coyotes and feral hogs in the US during my lifetime is interesting. I wonder if this is mostly due to the fact we have vastly fewer farmers than a hundred years ago? Farmers are also hunters and kept these species in check. The coyotes grew in the vacuum created by loss of bigger predators and the hogs grew in the general predator vacuum. There are excessive numbers of deer in some areas, probably for similar reasons.

    Nature adapts.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The coyotes didn’t live in high numbers where wolves lived.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Mostly agree. I was thinking of bobcats and cougars.

    Coywolfs exist so it is not clear cut.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's dynamic. Coyotes are observed in same habitat as wolves. I am not a coyote-ologist.

    The fellow in the video above also has a book which I have not yet read.

    https://www.amazon.com/Coyote-America-Natural-Supernatural-History/dp/0465093728/

  544. One thing sort of annoying about living in the Anglosphere is that there seems to be an enormous inflation in file size, if you are trying to torrent, etc. A lot of files are at least 10x the size they need to be. 10x the size of French or Spanish versions. Of course, despite cheaper storage, this just makes a lot of things less workable.

    It is weird because I’m pretty sure, in many cases, like audio, there is no qualitative difference that can be picked up by the senses.
    ___
    Was bitten by a gnat the other day, and I think I would have rather been stung by a hornet.

  545. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP


    far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans
     
    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it's a few percentage higher.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    “Owned by the population” means it

     

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn't say it is the proportion of people who own property.

    The other website can show website writers repost from Wikipedia instead of asking Russian journalists.

    By the way, e.g. 31 million housing units were privatized in the 30 years since the end of the Soviet Union. Another 17% still hasn't been privatized after 30 years.


    hands. It could mean that a couple of generations live under the same roof. But they are not paying rent

     

    A lot of people in Russia are living with their parents, despite the smaller size of property, it's not an indication of wealth. You can live with your parents in America if you like. I'm sure there is no law preventing this, just maybe a cultural or economic difference despite the large size of property.

    There is a difference in terms of the mortgage when a lot more Americans are paying the mortgage payment. It's also because high interest rates in Russia is a reason many people instead of buying property, and renting in Russia or live with their parents.


    would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.
     
    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same. New York residents with $1000 per month, pay lower income taxes than in Russia, received $300 free money for food, free healthcare, 50% reduction of transport costs, free funding for utilities bills, funding for university study, free funding to buy petrol. They even receive free language training classes.

    Public housing in New York is limited as not more 30% of income, so will be not more than $300 per month, which is lower than average rent in Moscow, similar to median.

    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.


    the New Yorker would have to be poor
     
    You are talking about $1000 per month in New York or Moscow, which is quite above the median income in Moscow except 2019. In New York, the personal financial situation would likely better at the median level for Moscow.

    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.

    Replies: @AP

    “far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans”

    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it’s a few percentage higher.

    And according to other sources it’s around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    “Owned by the population” means it

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn’t say it is the proportion of people who own property.

    It doesn’t say “private sector” but “owned by the population.” Most sources (I linked to a couple) read this as home ownership percentage.

    But even given your low figure of ~65% – only 15% of Russians have mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    This means that 50% of Russians (65% – 15%) own their homes outright without having to pay mortgage to a bank (which costs about the same as rent), or renting.

    So the typical Russian pays no rent or mortgage.

    In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright. So the typical American pays rent or mortgage.

    This is important when comparing incomes.

    “would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month.”

    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same

    But percentage having mortgages is not the same. It is very, very different.

    So typical Americans pay for housing (around $1500 per month in New York to split a 2 bedroom apartment, if renting or $3000 for mortgage) while a typical Russian does not. It’s a huge difference. One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.

    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.

    This is because as you showed the New York and federal governments generously provides them with money for food and rent that is equal to around $2,500 per month. They are still living on $3,500 or so per month, regardless of source of income.

    So a typical Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making about $3,500 per month.

    That is a decent living.

    Also 2019 was not “peak year.” “Peak year” was 2013, before the Crimea misadventure. And there were a few years before 2013 that were around $1,000 also. Incomes recovered to $1000 in 2019 before Covid brought them down again. The war cut off the chances for another recovery.

    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.

    I was not claiming that typical Muscovite earns more or has a better life than a New York lawyer or unionized public school teacher. I was stating that a monthly income of $1,010 in Moscow is equal to about $3,500 in New York City when taking into account cost of living and not having to pay rent or mortgage (typical Russians, unlike typical Americans, don’t as we see above). That is, it’s enough for a comfortable life in a beautiful city (a much more pleasant one than New York City).

    What kind of New Yorkers make $3,500 per month? Well, as you demonstrated, poor ones do if one counts large government subsidies, though their free housing tends to be in bad neighborhoods where Muscovites (or New York workers making a similar amount through employment rather than government subsidy) would not be living.

    But as far as workers. The average salary for a private schoolteacher in New York is about $3,000 per month:

    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Private-School-Teacher-Salary--in-New-York#:~:text=As%20of%20May%203%2C%202023%2C%20the%20average%20annual,This%20is%20the%20equivalent%20of%20%24697%2Fweek%20or%20%243%2C023%2Fmonth.

    The average salary for a secretary in New York City is $3,250 per month:

    https://www.zippia.com/secretary-jobs/salary/new-york-ny/

    So the typical pre-Covid Muscovite – who made $1,000 per month and owned his dwelling outright without mortgage – makes as much as a typical private school teacher or secretary in New York City, who must pay rent or mortgage and have higher costs for utilities and food. And who pay a higher tax rate on the $3500 salary than the Muscovite does on the $1000 salary. We can add it up here:

    Typical Muscovite – $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private school teacher. $3,000 per month. Minus $1500 in rent (half a 2 bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood if she is unmarried, or if she is married than half a $3000 mortgage on a flat that she owns with her husband). Minus $200 in heath insurance. Minus $300 in student loan. Pays 20% or so in taxes. Actually is left with slightly less money than the typical Muscovite.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    according to other sources it’s around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
     

    In a way, it is impressive you seemed to hack Beckow's account earlier this thread, although he seems to have returned ownership now and sometimes you're using a bot to writes these posts to me.

    But the bot is in a loop here. I already explain the source of the Wikipedia article is statistica, which is not writing about the proportion of people who own property.

    We know the proportion of people who own property in Russia, so why repeating this circle from the Statistica page. English resources sometimes write unusual things about Russia or they are a working kind of autopilot. It's usually only more expensive resources like the New York Times or Wall Street Journal that will ask the Russian journalists about the topic like housing.


    One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.

     

    Well, the problem now, is an interpretation of extreme "anti-socialism" in the social system. For example, they copy the Western coronavirus lockdown, but without the payments to the population in the Western coronavirus lockdown.

    Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making
     
    Median income Moscow workers in 2019, would have less money than New York workers with the salary of $1000 per month.

    So, the majority of Moscow workers in the peak year of 2019, have less money than New York workers categorized as living in poverty.

    And you believe this is to support your kremlinbot view. But there is actually something quite strange. Or not really strange, they moved the money out the country, don't support the low income population and continue a high inequality even in the display case capital.

    uscovite – $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private
     

    You can translate the creative accounting. You're saying the private school teacher who wants to spend a lot of money doing renting apartments in an expensive city like New York. They still have more money than median income people that would live in the apartment of their parents in Moscow. But there is a great different of living standard. Someone who has to live with their parents, someone who has money for renting.

    Or the private school teacher who rents in New York, has more than people who inherit an apartment in Moscow. But the comparison is the person who inherits an apartment in New York.

    Replies: @AP

  546. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all,
     
    It's even rumored that in Arizona, the largest, smartest and most athletic even interbreed with human beings:

    https://cdn.freebiesupply.com/logos/large/2x/phoenix-coyotes-6-logo-svg-vector.svg :-)

    Replies: @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    I drove through the Phoenix area while passing to other places. Why is gas so expensive there? It’s about $.50 cheaper per gallon in both Tucson and Kingman. Phoenix is a weird zone of very expensive gasoline.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    When the topic is broached on the evening news, we're always given some cock and bull story about logistics and where the gas actually comes from. In MN it's over one buck cheaper. It probably comes down to good old fashioned greed. The "free market" also includes elements of getting away with as much as you can. :-)

  547. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    I was just out West and can confirm that the coyotes I saw out there are significantly smaller than the coyotes I have seen in my neighborhood while walking my dog at night. They are beautiful creatures, I don't have the antipathy towards them that some Western ranchers have.

    Sometimes they run away, other times they politely stay on their side of the street as we walk past. My dog is a wolf-like medium sized sled dog, comparable in size to Eastern coyotes and therefore larger than the ones I saw out West. Red foxes are more skittish, but they are fairly small.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Welcome back! Were you able to make it beyond your former old stomping grounds in Nevada? BTW, I watched a good psychological noir film last night “Leave her to Heaven” starring Gene Tierney and Cornel Wilde. The film included some really gorgeous landscape shots of a “lake in northern Maine” and also ocean beach views of the sea in the area too. About half of the film was shot in AZ and New Mexico too with beautiful redrock scenes as well. I bring this up because I know you’ve always been a strong fan and proponent of New England scenery. A good solid 3.75/5.0 in my book. It looks like I’m not the only one that thinks that this is a very good film:

    In the decades after its release, the film garnered a cult following.[7] Critic Emanuel Levy attributes its cult status to its blurring of genres, ultimately resulting in a “one of a kind work.”[7] In 2018, it was selected for the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being “culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant”.[3]

  548. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    The bigger ones are probably mixed with bigger dogs nd possibly wolves. They are the smartest around humans and are not afraid of us at all,
     
    It's even rumored that in Arizona, the largest, smartest and most athletic even interbreed with human beings:

    https://cdn.freebiesupply.com/logos/large/2x/phoenix-coyotes-6-logo-svg-vector.svg :-)

    Replies: @AP, @Ivashka the fool

    Didn’t watch hockey in a very long time, are they any good?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    When I first moved to Phoenix (freshly minted from MN where hockey is very popular), The "Yotes" were a pretty good club and their captain and highest scorer, a Uke, Keith Tkachuk, born in Massachusetts, was a tough and scrappy player. As his career wound down,and the fortunes of the Coyotes too, so did my interest in the club wane too. They're probably a mid-level club today.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    When I first moved to Phoenix (freshly minted from MN where hockey is very popular), The "Yotes" were a pretty good club and their captain and highest scorer, a Uke, Keith Tkachuk, born in Massachusetts was a tough and scrappy player. As his career wound down, and the fortunes of the Coyotes too, so did my interest in the club wane too. They're probably a mid-level club today.

  549. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I drove through the Phoenix area while passing to other places. Why is gas so expensive there? It's about $.50 cheaper per gallon in both Tucson and Kingman. Phoenix is a weird zone of very expensive gasoline.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    When the topic is broached on the evening news, we’re always given some cock and bull story about logistics and where the gas actually comes from. In MN it’s over one buck cheaper. It probably comes down to good old fashioned greed. The “free market” also includes elements of getting away with as much as you can. 🙂

  550. This group is representing Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today. Their song Heart Of Steel is inspired on the defense of the Azovstal factory by the Ukrainian ultra-right battalion:

    Something’s gotta give in post-war Ukraine. Or maybe not, they’ll just become another woke appendage of the EU. As for Russia, the way things are going a Serbian scenario cannot be ruled out.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    It's excellent PR. The West likes this sort of thing. They should find a trans and send him/her as an ambassador to the USA, to finally procure F-16s for Azov, or whatever.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    lol. What are they fighting for? The BBC should be salivating over such compromises.

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel


    Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today.

     

    Well, it is falling compared to the culture level of Serduchka.

    woke appendage of the EU
     
    Postsoviet countries have probably the most LGBT mass entertainment. This doesn't match to the local political system having Western "woke culture".

    When Ukraine joins the EU, in the local politics it will be like Romania, Bulgaria, Albania etc. These are generally not economically elite countries, enough to support "woke politics".

    There is usually not enough bourgeoisie for the "woke politics" to win elections in postcommunist societies. These are also aging countries, where the young people go to Western Europe.

    As a result of these (non-elite economic level, aging population), the local politics will usually be relatively "non-woke", elections containing disproportionate influence of the views of pensioners who don't have a lot of desire for Western virtue signaling.


    As for Russia
     
    Bans of Russia from Eurovision, is only reducing the level of LGBT and multinationalism in the competition.

    For example, Eurovision becomes a lot less LGBT when they ban Dima Bilan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp-F26GBojQ


    And the Blue light - The most important moment of television each year in all the postsoviet space, even when Zelensky and Galkin are not allowed to present sadly nowadays*

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oq1dQZV8ZM

    * https://youtu.be/lkdDQX06ISI?t=23.

  551. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Didn't watch hockey in a very long time, are they any good?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    When I first moved to Phoenix (freshly minted from MN where hockey is very popular), The “Yotes” were a pretty good club and their captain and highest scorer, a Uke, Keith Tkachuk, born in Massachusetts, was a tough and scrappy player. As his career wound down,and the fortunes of the Coyotes too, so did my interest in the club wane too. They’re probably a mid-level club today.

  552. @LondonBob
    Sometimes I wonder if Mikel, Sean, LatW and John Johnson aren't the same person. Pointless regurgitation of the same propaganda points, over and over, no matter how obviously false.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Sometimes I wonder if Mikel, Sean, LatW and John Johnson aren’t the same person. Pointless regurgitation of the same propaganda points, over and over, no matter how obviously false.

    Insufficient evidence. E.g., 80-90% of the US population (that’s 260-300 million people) believe the same BS spewed by the MSM. That does not mean that it’s one and the same person.

    On a more general note, in any society stupid people constitute a significant fraction of the population. Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AnonfromTN


    Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.
     
    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  553. @LondonBob
    Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again, walking in to their own propaganda trap again.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Sounds like the Ukrainians chewed up a large number of forces in Bakhmut again

    Good riddance.

  554. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    The coyotes didn't live in high numbers where wolves lived.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mostly agree. I was thinking of bobcats and cougars.

    Coywolfs exist so it is not clear cut.

  555. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool

    I was just out West and can confirm that the coyotes I saw out there are significantly smaller than the coyotes I have seen in my neighborhood while walking my dog at night. They are beautiful creatures, I don't have the antipathy towards them that some Western ranchers have.

    Sometimes they run away, other times they politely stay on their side of the street as we walk past. My dog is a wolf-like medium sized sled dog, comparable in size to Eastern coyotes and therefore larger than the ones I saw out West. Red foxes are more skittish, but they are fairly small.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    I think Coyotes have cleaned out off-leash pets in some places, especially cats.

    The ones I have seen in suburban areas of the Southwest and Northeast are small, but in the Western USA and probably the North I believe they can be much larger.

    Coyotes kill deer no problem.

  556. @John Johnson
    Latest rumor is that Lukashenko may have been poisoned
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-pal-lukashenko-may-29943024

    I wouldn't be surprised. Putin has wanted Lukashenko to open a northern front with his tanks but so far hasn't budged.

    Putin may be planning on taking Belarus or replacing him with a pro-war puppet.

    Replies: @Johnny Rico

    Following every rumor to enhance your understanding of the war is no way to go through life, son.

    • Agree: Sean
  557. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    The coyotes didn't live in high numbers where wolves lived.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s dynamic. Coyotes are observed in same habitat as wolves. I am not a coyote-ologist.

    The fellow in the video above also has a book which I have not yet read.

  558. @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Sometimes I wonder if Mikel, Sean, LatW and John Johnson aren’t the same person. Pointless regurgitation of the same propaganda points, over and over, no matter how obviously false.
     
    Insufficient evidence. E.g., 80-90% of the US population (that’s 260-300 million people) believe the same BS spewed by the MSM. That does not mean that it’s one and the same person.

    On a more general note, in any society stupid people constitute a significant fraction of the population. Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.

    Replies: @Sean

    Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.

    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Sean


    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.
     
    Is this a coming-out? Pretty brave.

    Replies: @Sean

  559. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Didn't watch hockey in a very long time, are they any good?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    When I first moved to Phoenix (freshly minted from MN where hockey is very popular), The “Yotes” were a pretty good club and their captain and highest scorer, a Uke, Keith Tkachuk, born in Massachusetts was a tough and scrappy player. As his career wound down, and the fortunes of the Coyotes too, so did my interest in the club wane too. They’re probably a mid-level club today.

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
  560. @Sean
    @AnonfromTN


    Stupid people believe anything, no matter how false or inconsistent, the propaganda feeds them.
     
    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.

    Is this a coming-out? Pretty brave.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AnonfromTN

    Criticism?


    Frankly, I don’t feel that way. From my pov, every person has his/her superstitions, believers and atheists alike. These superstitions are different, but they are all equally silly. As I am certainly not a militant atheist, I guess I should be classified as agnostic.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lTiscIgIHQ

    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.
     
    So you are sui generis. Congratulations!
  561. @Mikel
    This group is representing Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today. Their song Heart Of Steel is inspired on the defense of the Azovstal factory by the Ukrainian ultra-right battalion:

    https://www.eurovisionuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tvorchi-500x263.jpg

    Something's gotta give in post-war Ukraine. Or maybe not, they'll just become another woke appendage of the EU. As for Russia, the way things are going a Serbian scenario cannot be ruled out.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    It’s excellent PR. The West likes this sort of thing. They should find a trans and send him/her as an ambassador to the USA, to finally procure F-16s for Azov, or whatever.

  562. S says:

    CNN is getting a lot of criticism for the recent ‘town hall’ it held and for it’s ‘own goal’ of ‘inadvertently building up Trump’.

    That, imo, is a fundamental misinterpretation of what occurred.

    There was nothing inadvertent about it. CNN wants Trump to get the Republican nomination. They and the powers that be also want the Russian style Civil War which will likely follow, ie not so much a ‘civil war’ in reality but an anti-identity war which will feature roving ethnic/racial warlords, mass executions, atrocities of all sorts, vengeance killings, untold destruction of property and looting, and (of course) Communists, who will probably be allowed to declare a ‘revolution’ of some type.

    After suffering under such a hellscape for not too many months, which will undoubtedly seem like years, many people will be demanding that some type of ‘order’, any order, be restored.

    Their wish will be granted to them.

    ‘There is no order…no peace.’

  563. @Mikel
    This group is representing Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today. Their song Heart Of Steel is inspired on the defense of the Azovstal factory by the Ukrainian ultra-right battalion:

    https://www.eurovisionuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tvorchi-500x263.jpg

    Something's gotta give in post-war Ukraine. Or maybe not, they'll just become another woke appendage of the EU. As for Russia, the way things are going a Serbian scenario cannot be ruled out.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    lol. What are they fighting for? The BBC should be salivating over such compromises.

  564. @RadicalCenter
    @Wokechoke

    All three religi0ns are batshit absurd for the most part. The fact that Christians don't have the strange aversion to dogs of the other two stupid "abrahamic" religions doesn't make christianity any less embarrassing.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    What specific things would you say should go? Be my guest…opposition to divorce? Miracles? Claims of a God made Human?

  565. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages.
     
    Sure it was, hundreds of years ago. And also Czech, Habsburg and a part of the German Empire. It was not in any sense "Polish", the population was German with few local 'Silesians' in the very east. There was simply no Polish claim - it was a gift to Poland by Russia. Without Russian sacrificing half a million soldiers this was not even a possibility. Russia was trying to be friendly and it backfired - as it always does when Russia tries to be nice. The hatreds of the beneficiaries are not curable. I am nor sure Russia will ever learn that lesson.

    Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary
     
    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934 - they were the first Nazi ally, even before Italy. But it couldn't work: the map was unforgiving and the point of German Nazism was 'lebensraum' - living space for Germans: Poland was directly in the way - Hungary wasn't and they are not Slavs so they got some breaks. It simply was not possible - it would go directly against the core Nazi belief.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.
     
    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed and the Polish Jews were the first ones targeted. The only Polish Jews who were saved were around 1 million who were evacuated by Russians after M-R to the east. Without M-R treaty they would be murdered too. The choices at that time were all bad, but you like to focus only on one side's choices.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    “Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary”

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934

    No, Poland rebuffed efforts at an alliance with Germany and only agreed to a nonaggression treaty in 1934 in which each side recognized the other’s post-Versailles territory and promised not to attack the other.

    Furthermore, at the time that this pat was signed with Hitler, Poland also sent its foreign minister to the USSR to confirm a nonaggression pact with the USSR also. So it was clearly not an anti-Soviet pact. Just an agreement to recognize borders and not attack one another. You are lying again.

    You are repeating fairy tales told by Soviets to ignorant people who believe them.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Hitler was so eager for an alliance with Poland that after Pilsudski’s death he came to Warsaw for the funeral. But no alliance was signed, by the stubborn Poles.

    In their place, the Slovaks would have signed an alliance. Indeed they did so. But Poles were not Slovaks.

    By refusing to join Hitler in his anti-Soviet crusade (which with Polish participation would have meant the end of the USSR and annihilation of the Soviet people), the Poles lost millions of people. Probably no nation is as lacking of gratitude towards anyone, as Russians are towards Poles, whose stubborn refusal to join the Nazis in an anti-Soviet crusade (at great price to themselves) enabled the Russians to continue to exist.

    In contrast to the limited Polish-German nonaggression pact, several pacts signed between the Soviets and Nazis indicated an actual alliance.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact involved an agreement to divide Europe between themselves.

    The German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) and German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) resulted in the Soviets supplying the German war machine with raw materials and oil that were used in Germany’s war against the West.

    From wiki: During both the first period of the 1940 agreement (11 February 1940 to 1941) and the second (11 February 1941 until the Pact was broken), Germany received massive quantities of raw materials, including over:[4]: 47 [5]: 

    1,500,000 metric tons (1,700,000 short tons; 1,500,000 long tons) of grains
    820,000 metric tons (900,000 short tons; 810,000 long tons) of oil
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of cotton
    130,000 metric tons (140,000 short tons; 130,000 long tons) of manganese
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of phosphates
    18,000 metric tons (20,000 short tons; 18,000 long tons) of chrome ore
    16,000 metric tons (18,000 short tons; 16,000 long tons) of rubber
    91,000 metric tons (100,000 short tons; 90,000 long tons) of soybeans
    450,000 metric tons (500,000 short tons; 440,000 long tons) of iron ores
    270,000 metric tons (300,000 short tons; 270,000 long tons) of scrap metal and pig iron
    200,000 kilograms (440,000 lb) of platinum

    Large amounts of crude oil were delivered, with German documents in 1940 already indicating that the Soviets had delivered crude oil at a rate of 140,000 metric tons (150,000 short tons; 140,000 long tons) a month for five months in 900 German tank cars exclusively reserved for it.

    :::::::::::::::

    That is the difference between an alliance and a mere non-aggression pact.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed

    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Well, no, thou protest too much....

    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking - or lying - can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934 - as the first country after Nazi took over. The M&R Treaty was also called 'Non-Aggression Treaty' and happened 5 1/2 years later two weeks before Germany attacked Poland. The point of M&R was for Germany not to take the Polish colonial eastern territories in Ukraine and Belarus (they grabbed in 1920) and save the non-Polish population living there (Jews and others). None of the east is a part of Poland today, so what aggression?

    You lie about the 1930's Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany. Germany didn't want it - they wanted the Polish lebensraum and no Poles living there. That's what they did killing 5-6 million pre-war Polish citizens. Great move by Warsaw, as always.

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time. They are the ultimate puppets dying for others' interests. But one can't help stupidity.


    Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control.
     
    Hungary was an enthusiastic Nazi ally who joined Barbarossa and fought bitterly in Russia (some of the worst atrocities were done by the Hungarian troops). They 'wavered' when Germany was obviously losing in 1944 - so did all German allies, including many Germans. Sorry, but that doesn't really count. They were just scared that they were on the losing side. The Jews of Hungary ended up in Auschwitz and it was done by Hungarians.

    If your dream is that Poland should had been allowed by Germany something similar, you are one sick puppy. But the crazy mad hatreds eventually lead to that. It is almost certain that as in WW2 (and many times before) Poles will end-up bitterly regretting their latest march on the east. But one cant't help stupidity. So go for it...

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.
     
    Yep, and arguably considering that Hungary was a military pipsqueak, the best course of action for Hungary would have probably been to remain loyal to Hitler up to the very end, without any attempts at backstabbing. Maybe this is what Hungary would have done had it knew that the Allies would not allow it to keep any of its post-1937 territorial gains. Or maybe not, if Horthy would have still wanted to save his own skin. But even waiting until October 1944 (when Auschwitz was already permanently shut down for good) to make any peace feelers towards the Allies would have still likely been a significant improvement for the Hungarian Jews. The Hungarian Arrow Cross was thankfully unable to murder most of Budapest's Jews because they ran out of time, after all.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Would you agree that Hungary would have been better off not seeking a separate peace with the Allies? It didn't gain anything from this other than the prevention of Horthy's execution, which was great for Horthy but didn't actually give Hungary itself anything (Hungary was not allowed to keep any of its post-1937 territorial gains and even lost a tiny bit of its pre-1937 territory south of Bratislava). What this did result in, however, was the mass murder of over half of a million of Greater Hungary's Jews. This was an especially huge shame considering just how long into the war they survived, as well as their sheer numbers.

    Poland refusing to ally with Hitler at least saved the Soviet Union and the Soviet people from getting deported east of the Urals. Hard to think of much value in the attempted Hungarian defection.

    Replies: @AP

  566. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    he’s not Russian at
     
    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.

    Though I don't think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he's representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.

    His family in negative way was also part of "rich people problems" in Ufa. His father died with debts. His mother had to emigrate to Spain because of problems of her business. There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.


    he’s ethnic by his cheek bones

     

    The appearance is exactly Captain Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean

    The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.

     

    He was organically popular with kids. I don't think authorities can replace anything like him.

    There was also Egor Kreed who is in the older generation, although he is from a similar kind of regional wealthy family, he is more artificial as he didn't become famous as YouTuber. He was saying the war with Ukraine was stressful. But his videos after the war are just filmed in Dubai and it's escapist international content.

    His Blackstar videos was an honest Russian Federation culture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRZ67HSDdA. but after the war he goes to happier utopian content as kind of escapism.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWIJhJQYN4o.


    I mean about the whole situation with him leaving.
     
    The celebrity with the youngest audience, who is agreeing to do any of the patriotic content, is probably Basta. Nobody is more loyal than Basta, he even employs Lavrov's family. But Basta's youngest fans are maybe 30 years old.

    In the younger generation, Klava Koka didn't attend the Defender of the Fatherland Day concert, when the media said she was invited to be one of the singers.

    Patriotism - the monopoly of "dinosaurs", Basta, Baskov etc.


    Do you know what his fans are thinking about all of this? The kids who are in their teens and early 20s? I mean about the whole situation with him
     
    He is adding messages that he has opposition view, but he wants to not go too far, so the door could still be open to return.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It's a kind of small message,

    It's behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.

    It's similar to Maks Korzh. Korzh was becoming unpopular with the young people in Belarus in 2020 because he said they should stop the protest against Lukashenko, but he was also adding a lot of the liberal attitude in his social media.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov. To respond, he just included Abdu Rozik in the video about the exile. Rozik is the enemy of Kadyrov's Hasbulla.

    Replies: @LatW

    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.

    Yes, but I meant his ethnicity, he’s quite light so I thought he was at least part Slavic, but in fact, having looked them up, Bahkir skin is light, with those rather distinct features, very attractive people, the eyes look very interesting (neither Asian, neither Turkic, very unique).

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    Though I don’t think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he’s representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.

    He’s not interested in Bashkir stuff at all. I’m guessing he’s so mixed that he doesn’t have a real ethnicity to identify with. Well, the young will always have slightly “independent” views, although the young can be different.

    What he does care about is the RusFedian legislation – they could shut him out completely, because he is already a “foreign agent” and now they’re preparing a law to shut down anyone who cooperates with a “foreign agent”, so they won’t be able to play him on the RusFedian platforms. He will lose access to his audience entirely. I mean, you can argue he performs “degenerate stuff” or that he’s not good for the youth, but still.. not sure this is right from the ethical POV. Although, if I were Russian, he’d probably drive me up the wall (similar “artists” in my own culture, who taunt society, especially with overplayed deviance, they drive me crazy, but in Morgenshtern’s case there is a bit of a message there, it’s not entirely empty).

    Btw, in his last interview you can tell he’s not doing all that great… and has been struggling with depression (constantly vaping and drinking beer – not good). Sounded tapped out creatively. He’s following what’s going on, because he made a comment: “Я не русский, я узкий” (this is a parody of Shaman’s song, so he knows about it). So he cares a lot. It’s obvious he misses Russia.

    There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.

    The money theme is so overdone in his videos, it’s good to have that context – it must be a childhood trauma. That’s understandable, otherwise it just looks so tacky as if trying to imitate some American hip hop videos.

    He was organically popular with kids. I don’t think authorities can replace anything like him.

    They have now introduced Shaman (Yaroslav). But he seems to be more popular with middle age folks, although some younger women, too. He is the opposite of Morgenshtern, very скрепный. Morgensthern made fun of his song.

    You know, there will always be these kinds of frictions. You see this in the West too. Art should probably be apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn’t realize you were into all this popsa, I was under the impression you only liked Rachmaninoff’s piano concerts).

    Patriotism – the monopoly of “dinosaurs”, Basta, Baskov etc.

    Basta is old, they are trying to promote Yaroslav now.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language.

    Where? I didn’t notice.

    It’s behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.

    He cannot close the door, because his audience is there. That’s all he has.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov.

    God, I wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully, it looks like he no longer is so eager to be a TikTok celebrity. Go ride your elite Arabian horses – alone in the mountains.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    guessing he’s so mixed that he doesn’t have a real ethnicity
     
    He's more of local ingredients of his city. Bashkir "businessman" father with early death. Mother is the Jewish flowerqueen of Ufa. The wife Dilara is Tatar. It's kind of local stereotypes you would use to write a television series about Ufa.

    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians. It's also low for young people, which are mostly Russians nowadays, with roots from Gypsies, Udmurts, Mordvins, Ukrainians, Jews etc.

    But nationalism can be a bit mainstream for a few of the nationalities with their republics like Tatars (mainly in Tatarstan), Bashkirs (only in Bashkortostan), Chechens (only in Chechen Republic), also Armenians, Azerbaijanis etc.

    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It's not something related to specific nationality.

    I think the future historians will view him as one of the signs of his generation, especially he was the most popular celebrity of the last 1-2 years of the 1991-2022 epoch. When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    "The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk." It's now the new epoch 2022 - which we don't understand yet.


    money theme is so overdone in his videos, it’s good to have that context – it must be a childhood trauma
     
    This is the description of the system. They are describing the deeper reality. The problem is just he has a bit of satire tone. But it is the elite's values, methodology and reason for existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYi4a2eZL50. It's like Mexicans that were born after the cartels' wars, reflecting the values of the cartels' wars.

    Shaman (Yaroslav).
     
    Basta is one of the most important celebrities, with real fans, famous career, organic popularity, decades of career, control of the music industry, always on the television. The political loyalty can be a bit depressing, because you can imagine an alternative Basta who was more sceptical.

    "Shaman" seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these. I never saw him before, like everyone. Probably they have some search engine optimizers to boost his video, so I would be sceptical he has received real views.


    apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn’t realize you were into all this popsa,

     

    I used to enjoy a lot of Russian television and even after I was not there many years past, I still used to have television playing on the computer in the background. I stopped the bad habit around 2018. But I have a lot of the acculturation from television.

    In terms of rap, I would only listen to American rap. I'm happy to say I never listened to Russian rap, even the "serious". But in terms of the society, the nonserious rap is the music which describes the postsoviet system.

    It's the most popular music. Rappers are also some of the most central in the court. You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family's parties?


    ones do you personally like?

     

    E.g. I would prefer to listen to dogs singing, than the "musical talent" and "rap skills" of Max Korzh.

    But in terms of the culture vision, he was one of the important people of our culture of the last ten years and he showed the alternative possibility for the region. At least, he was working more for diplomacy, than all the ambassadors. He seems in Latvia at the moment btw.


    Where? I didn’t notice.

     

    It's Ukrainian, the location tag for the city. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It's not natural to add the location as Ukrainian language. Instagram autocompletes the location in Russian.

    He had to manually change the language for the location tag to Ukrainian. Ksenia Sobchak likes most of his posts, but she avoids this.


    wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully,
     
    Morgenshtern still also continues the conflict with Kadyrov, just indirectly and politely.

    He's not Boris Nemtsov. But he is still doing mockery of Kadyrov. There is Hasbulla again, the court dwarf of Kadyrov. On the t-shirt. https://www.instagram.com/p/CqS4YkHr0TZ.

    Replies: @LatW

  567. Sean says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Sean


    The stupidest people of all are the ones who think that they are immune to propaganda.
     
    Is this a coming-out? Pretty brave.

    Replies: @Sean

    Criticism?

    Frankly, I don’t feel that way. From my pov, every person has his/her superstitions, believers and atheists alike. These superstitions are different, but they are all equally silly. As I am certainly not a militant atheist, I guess I should be classified as agnostic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lTiscIgIHQ

    I wonder what you call “elitism”. If not suffering fools gladly is it, I am guilty, as charged. In everything else I am certainly not an elitist.

    So you are sui generis. Congratulations!

  568. @Coconuts
    @LatW

    No, unfortunately there is already a housing shortage.

    The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions to this point (looks like trippling the highest pre-Brexit figures) was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.

    Supposedlly it is a right-wing government hostile to migration. In this case I wonder what the pro-migration left might be like.

    The budgetary planning for public services and utilities is all still being done on estimates of 250,000 immigrants per year.

    I think this is still the Third Way' in action, Liberal economics + social liberalism.

    Replies: @LatW

    No, unfortunately there is already a housing shortage.

    Well, they’ve been saying this for decades now, that the island is so small, there will always be a housing shortage, then why is this not raised as a counter-argument for the uncontrolled immigration…

    The clown world aspect is that the government that has loosened immigration restrictions to this point (looks like trippling the highest pre-Brexit figures) was elected on the platform of reducing immigration to under 100,000.

    Well, at what point did that change, is this something that the Home Office just decided to do by themselves? It smacks a bit of anarcho-tyranny… as in, let’s do something wild and crazy like that and then let’s have the ordinary British pay for it and deal with the consequences. Typical.

    One million is, afaik, what the US accepts per year, and the US is much larger, so for the UK, this is insane. But maybe they are doing this to maintain Britain’s greatness – they just constantly need more people, more prospective citizens. That is quite risky and can actually compromise your greatness. Russia can maybe pull this off because Russia probably has a much bigger capacity to absorb, not sure about Britain (not that it should be done that way in the case of either of those two!).

    I think this is still the Third Way’ in action, Liberal economics + social liberalism.

    It might be that these things are so entrenched and have been there for so long, that it’s very difficult to make any kind of a political transition towards real right wing politics (even if these right wing politics would have to co-exist with the woke parties).

  569. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...He does care about his self-preservation
     
    You still don't get the situation and focus on personalities. Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.

    This happened in spite of the West throwing literally everything at Russia from the financial-economic nuclear bomb to the best arms, in the process using up tens of thousands Ukie fighters. How is that a Western victory? You are caught up in the day-to-day narratives that invent or overstate the Ukie successes - but the map speaks for itself.

    IQ means that a person can anticipate what will happen. What do you think? Ukies will finally stage the winning offensive and push all Russians out? Or Russia breaking up? Try to visualize it and stop dreaming. The reality is simple: Russia is using moderate hands-off force to gradually control and strangle Ukraine. Without a dramatic Western escalation of some kind they will succeed. It will be Zelko worrying about his 'self-preservation' (no, he will be fine across the ocean).

    Replies: @LatW

    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities.

    If you read my comments more carefully, then you’d be able to see that I do not just focus on personalities, but have made plenty of general and very simple arguments which should be clear. Nobody knows what will happen and we’re all guessing.

    In this case, I was just responding to Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic – in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him. I simply said that it does not appear that he has that kind of a personality (although his current state of mind does seem compromised) – he has a lot to lose since he has invested a lot into his kids. How he would act in the final hour is not known. There are men out there who don’t care, but he doesn’t seem to be one of them. He may not even be the one in charge.

    [MORE]

    Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.

    The damage to Ukraine is tremendous and what has been done to Ukraine is a huge crime of massive proportions. It will take a lot to help make Ukraine whole again, if that’s even possible or at least to help Ukraine reconstruct (it may become a global project with many states pitching in). By the way, the reconstruction has already begun in some areas. When large parts of Ukraine will be rebuilt, they will be rebuilt to a very high standard. This is still sad – the old places that were destroyed, took all the old memories and all the old culture with them… the material is gone, and only the memories in people’s minds will remain. Or pictures.

    Ukraine has not yet been destroyed as a state – ше не вмерла! She hasn’t died yet. On the contrary, their status seems to be somewhat elevated on the international landscape (feel free to disagree, I know you will). 20% of their territory is an immensely large chunk indeed, this is a giant land grab, no doubt about that, but remember that much was taken before 2022. This is about to become undone – the operation Nebesna Kara (Divine Retribution) has only just started. So we’ll see.

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more. I also don’t believe that the original goals of the RusFed have been fully met.

    without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.

    Yea, but there is Western help and it will continue. Besides, Ukrainians have demonstrated that they have good organizational skills – the Ukrainian volunteer movement is an incredible phenomenon, and it functions all by itself. You just choose to not see it and to give them credit. They are the real ones fighting this war.

    How is that a Western victory?

    I am getting more inclined with every day to distance myself from anything that you refer here as “Western victory” (although you might want to think about the fact that for the so called “neo-cons” this may not even be such a bad result in the end).

    For me, there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow. Even if a de facto victory and the tremendous heroism of the Ukrainian military will be acknowledged. On the day of victory, we will grieve for the dead.

    but the map speaks for itself.

    Is the map static?

    Or Russia breaking up?

    Once again, be careful what you say. Even if something doesn’t seem likely, with your words, you bring it within the realm of possibility. Don’t hex yourself.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW


    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more.
     
    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government. Russia seems to be more splintered, if anything.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    , @Sean
    @LatW


    Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic – in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him
     
    No. I was saying the opposite: that trying to fight Ukraine--actually an America/Ukraine assemblage--conventionally cannot work and will end with regieme change and then the break up of Russia. that if Putin wants to get himself and his country (currently like a frog in a pan of water that is getting imperceptibly warmer all the time), out of the fix it is in he ought to use theatre thermonuclear weapons on the Ukrainian army now. He is going do it eventually but vindictively, which will be too late to save Russia.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    He does care about his self-preservation...Putin is somehow fatalistic...
     
    I don't mind occasional musings about leaders' personalities, but they are meaningless. Maybe you don't do it, but 'personalizing' countries is not helpful - identifying US with Biden's dementia or Ukraine with Zelko's clownishness is also avoiding reality. The war is for all marbles and the current leaders are only playing their roles.

    there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow
     
    We agree on that, it is a catastrophe. The reasons will be emotionally manipulated for a long time, but eventually - if we are still around - people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies' idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa...), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    Is the map static?
     
    It has been stable. But who is in a stronger position as time passes? The offensive is not how you win these wars - it is costly in human lives and easily reversible. Kiev can destroy the Crimea bridge and surge forward, but what would keep Russians from annihilating Lviv or parts of Kiev? Is the dream of Crimea reconquest worth it?

    The problem for Kiev is that the only deal that would solve almost all problems doesn't satisfy the neo-cons goals: Nato in Ukraine, Russians expelled (or killed) and Crimea under Nato control. Some morons even have bigger dreams. Kiev is supervised by the neo-cons and the grief will continue, more Ukies will die, Ukraine will be destroyed, more hysterical propaganda.

    Russia has been fighting moderately - not like the Nato wars with shock-and-awe and hundreds of thousands killed civilians. They can do a lot more damage. It is possible that Kremlin is letting the frustration accumulate so they can go ape-shit. Countries often do that, US did it many times. The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing 'fellow Ukrainians'. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless 'kill them all, they are traitors or fools' sentiment. There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @LatW

  570. S says:
    @songbird
    @Coconuts

    And @S

    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis. And maybe one would still need suicide collars for the elites if they misbehave.

    Replies: @S

    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis.

    Within the Anglosphere, slavery, and not truly having dealt with it by abolishing it, but instead monetizing it with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, really screwed things up.

    You can’t serve two masters.

    The Anglosphere elites and hangers on chose to serve their slaves, both chattel and wage, (and the monetary profits and political power that comes with it), rather than serve the interests of their own people.

    The answer, going back to the time of Jamestown and the Plymouth colony of Virginia and Massachusetts respectively, when slaves were first introduced by diktat in the early 17th century, has always been at minimum to separate from these people.

    Easier said than done to be sure, but that always should of been the aim.

    The US Civil War, in reality a spat between the promoters of chattel slavery in the South and wage slavery in the North, was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown both them and their slave systems.

    Now, the wage slavery contagion (ie so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) has not only spread throughout the Anglosphere, but like a cancer whuch has metastatized, has spread throughout much of the rest of the world besides. 🙁

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    There is undoubtedly a great utility in segregation. Best case scenario would be to merely send the people who claim they want diversity to special areas designated for that purpose, where they would have to have skin in the game.

    Short of that, having your own institutions seems like it would be a big improvement. Though, I am skeptical to what extent such things would even be allowed to exist.

    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.

    Replies: @S

  571. @LatW
    @Beckow


    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities.
     
    If you read my comments more carefully, then you'd be able to see that I do not just focus on personalities, but have made plenty of general and very simple arguments which should be clear. Nobody knows what will happen and we're all guessing.

    In this case, I was just responding to Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic - in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him. I simply said that it does not appear that he has that kind of a personality (although his current state of mind does seem compromised) - he has a lot to lose since he has invested a lot into his kids. How he would act in the final hour is not known. There are men out there who don't care, but he doesn't seem to be one of them. He may not even be the one in charge.


    Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    The damage to Ukraine is tremendous and what has been done to Ukraine is a huge crime of massive proportions. It will take a lot to help make Ukraine whole again, if that's even possible or at least to help Ukraine reconstruct (it may become a global project with many states pitching in). By the way, the reconstruction has already begun in some areas. When large parts of Ukraine will be rebuilt, they will be rebuilt to a very high standard. This is still sad - the old places that were destroyed, took all the old memories and all the old culture with them... the material is gone, and only the memories in people's minds will remain. Or pictures.

    Ukraine has not yet been destroyed as a state - ше не вмерла! She hasn't died yet. On the contrary, their status seems to be somewhat elevated on the international landscape (feel free to disagree, I know you will). 20% of their territory is an immensely large chunk indeed, this is a giant land grab, no doubt about that, but remember that much was taken before 2022. This is about to become undone - the operation Nebesna Kara (Divine Retribution) has only just started. So we'll see.

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more. I also don't believe that the original goals of the RusFed have been fully met.


    without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    Yea, but there is Western help and it will continue. Besides, Ukrainians have demonstrated that they have good organizational skills - the Ukrainian volunteer movement is an incredible phenomenon, and it functions all by itself. You just choose to not see it and to give them credit. They are the real ones fighting this war.

    How is that a Western victory?
     
    I am getting more inclined with every day to distance myself from anything that you refer here as "Western victory" (although you might want to think about the fact that for the so called "neo-cons" this may not even be such a bad result in the end).

    For me, there will be no "victory" here, just grief and sorrow. Even if a de facto victory and the tremendous heroism of the Ukrainian military will be acknowledged. On the day of victory, we will grieve for the dead.


    but the map speaks for itself.
     
    Is the map static?

    Or Russia breaking up?
     
    Once again, be careful what you say. Even if something doesn't seem likely, with your words, you bring it within the realm of possibility. Don't hex yourself.

    Replies: @AP, @Sean, @Beckow

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more.

    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government. Russia seems to be more splintered, if anything.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    How often do you guys speak with people in Ukraine; I mean by telephone or Skype, not email and text?

    Are communication channels normal?

    What about Russia? Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?

    Thanks

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    , @LatW
    @AP


    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government.
     
    Of course, they are more united than ever and the West is more united than ever. Ukraine is also united with the West now. This is all true and this is a huge historical development that we are witnessing with our own eyes. There will be investments eventually as well.

    However, the demographic damage is immense (not to mention the casualties) - everything needs to be done to bring the people back. It is possible, even if partially.

  572. Does anyone know the latest on Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, notorious Ukrainian-born traitor from the Trump era?

    It seems like he should be up to something in the Ukraine conflict.

  573. @AP
    @LatW


    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more.
     
    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government. Russia seems to be more splintered, if anything.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    How often do you guys speak with people in Ukraine; I mean by telephone or Skype, not email and text?

    Are communication channels normal?

    What about Russia? Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?

    Thanks

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?
     
    I have no problem (except my University censorship, but I have another email address on my home comp that the University censors cannot touch) communicating with people in Russia and Ukraine via email, including large messages with multiple pictures. Did not try phone since I evacuated my mother from Lugansk.
    , @AP
    @QCIC

    I speak to one of my cousins every couple of weeks (when the war just started it was nearly daily). Facebook messenger is free and works normally.

    My wife uses Telegram to communicate with friends and family in Russia. But the phone works too.

    Replies: @QCIC

  574. @QCIC
    @AP

    How often do you guys speak with people in Ukraine; I mean by telephone or Skype, not email and text?

    Are communication channels normal?

    What about Russia? Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?

    Thanks

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?

    I have no problem (except my University censorship, but I have another email address on my home comp that the University censors cannot touch) communicating with people in Russia and Ukraine via email, including large messages with multiple pictures. Did not try phone since I evacuated my mother from Lugansk.

  575. LatW says:
    @AP
    @LatW


    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more.
     
    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government. Russia seems to be more splintered, if anything.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    Has it? Ukrainians are united, they support their army and government.

    Of course, they are more united than ever and the West is more united than ever. Ukraine is also united with the West now. This is all true and this is a huge historical development that we are witnessing with our own eyes. There will be investments eventually as well.

    However, the demographic damage is immense (not to mention the casualties) – everything needs to be done to bring the people back. It is possible, even if partially.

  576. @AP
    @Dmitry


    "far higher percentage of Russians versus Americans"

    Why are you wasting time writing this again?

    According to Rosreestr, the rate of the home ownership is the same in the USA and Russia. Only higher source are the government opinion polling, where it’s a few percentage higher.
     

    And according to other sources it's around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate


    “Owned by the population” means it

    The source for the Wikipedia article is the Statista webpage you posted last time, which says this is the proportion of total property in private sector. It doesn’t say it is the proportion of people who own property.
     

    It doesn't say "private sector" but "owned by the population." Most sources (I linked to a couple) read this as home ownership percentage.

    But even given your low figure of ~65% - only 15% of Russians have mortgages, compared to 42% of Americans.

    This means that 50% of Russians (65% - 15%) own their homes outright without having to pay mortgage to a bank (which costs about the same as rent), or renting.

    So the typical Russian pays no rent or mortgage.

    In contrast, only 23% of Americans own their home outright. So the typical American pays rent or mortgage.

    This is important when comparing incomes.


    "would a New Yorker have to make, to live like a typical pre-Covid Muscovite making $1,000 per month."

    I already look at this in the last post, and was surprised for New York.

    Home ownership rate is the same
     

    But percentage having mortgages is not the same. It is very, very different.

    So typical Americans pay for housing (around $1500 per month in New York to split a 2 bedroom apartment, if renting or $3000 for mortgage) while a typical Russian does not. It's a huge difference. One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.


    So, New York residents with $1000 per month, would have more personal financial resources, than most of the population of Moscow in the peak year of 2019.
     
    This is because as you showed the New York and federal governments generously provides them with money for food and rent that is equal to around $2,500 per month. They are still living on $3,500 or so per month, regardless of source of income.

    So a typical Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making about $3,500 per month.

    That is a decent living.

    Also 2019 was not "peak year." "Peak year" was 2013, before the Crimea misadventure. And there were a few years before 2013 that were around $1,000 also. Incomes recovered to $1000 in 2019 before Covid brought them down again. The war cut off the chances for another recovery.


    And of course, workers people in New York, have higher salaries. Even average school teacher salary in New York is $7300 etc. Median salary of programmers $11,000, lawyers over $16,600.
     
    I was not claiming that typical Muscovite earns more or has a better life than a New York lawyer or unionized public school teacher. I was stating that a monthly income of $1,010 in Moscow is equal to about $3,500 in New York City when taking into account cost of living and not having to pay rent or mortgage (typical Russians, unlike typical Americans, don't as we see above). That is, it's enough for a comfortable life in a beautiful city (a much more pleasant one than New York City).

    What kind of New Yorkers make $3,500 per month? Well, as you demonstrated, poor ones do if one counts large government subsidies, though their free housing tends to be in bad neighborhoods where Muscovites (or New York workers making a similar amount through employment rather than government subsidy) would not be living.

    But as far as workers. The average salary for a private schoolteacher in New York is about $3,000 per month:

    https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Private-School-Teacher-Salary--in-New-York#:~:text=As%20of%20May%203%2C%202023%2C%20the%20average%20annual,This%20is%20the%20equivalent%20of%20%24697%2Fweek%20or%20%243%2C023%2Fmonth.

    The average salary for a secretary in New York City is $3,250 per month:

    https://www.zippia.com/secretary-jobs/salary/new-york-ny/

    So the typical pre-Covid Muscovite - who made $1,000 per month and owned his dwelling outright without mortgage - makes as much as a typical private school teacher or secretary in New York City, who must pay rent or mortgage and have higher costs for utilities and food. And who pay a higher tax rate on the $3500 salary than the Muscovite does on the $1000 salary. We can add it up here:

    Typical Muscovite - $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private school teacher. $3,000 per month. Minus $1500 in rent (half a 2 bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood if she is unmarried, or if she is married than half a $3000 mortgage on a flat that she owns with her husband). Minus $200 in heath insurance. Minus $300 in student loan. Pays 20% or so in taxes. Actually is left with slightly less money than the typical Muscovite.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    according to other sources it’s around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate

    In a way, it is impressive you seemed to hack Beckow’s account earlier this thread, although he seems to have returned ownership now and sometimes you’re using a bot to writes these posts to me.

    But the bot is in a loop here. I already explain the source of the Wikipedia article is statistica, which is not writing about the proportion of people who own property.

    We know the proportion of people who own property in Russia, so why repeating this circle from the Statistica page. English resources sometimes write unusual things about Russia or they are a working kind of autopilot. It’s usually only more expensive resources like the New York Times or Wall Street Journal that will ask the Russian journalists about the topic like housing.

    One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.

    Well, the problem now, is an interpretation of extreme “anti-socialism” in the social system. For example, they copy the Western coronavirus lockdown, but without the payments to the population in the Western coronavirus lockdown.

    Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making

    Median income Moscow workers in 2019, would have less money than New York workers with the salary of $1000 per month.

    So, the majority of Moscow workers in the peak year of 2019, have less money than New York workers categorized as living in poverty.

    And you believe this is to support your kremlinbot view. But there is actually something quite strange. Or not really strange, they moved the money out the country, don’t support the low income population and continue a high inequality even in the display case capital.

    uscovite – $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private

    You can translate the creative accounting. You’re saying the private school teacher who wants to spend a lot of money doing renting apartments in an expensive city like New York. They still have more money than median income people that would live in the apartment of their parents in Moscow. But there is a great different of living standard. Someone who has to live with their parents, someone who has money for renting.

    Or the private school teacher who rents in New York, has more than people who inherit an apartment in Moscow. But the comparison is the person who inherits an apartment in New York.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    Median income Moscow workers in 2019, would have less money than New York workers with the salary of $1000 per month.
     
    Only if the government gives him more than $2500 worth of free rent and food, to add to his salary.

    But the median Moscow worker, making $1000 per month in 2019, or a little more than that in 2013, 2012 etc. would have about as much money as a New York worker making $3000-$3500 per month.

    You’re saying the private school teacher who wants to spend a lot of money doing renting apartments in an expensive city like New York. They still have more money than median income people that would live in the apartment of their parents in Moscow
     
    Not after they pay rent, health insurance etc. It becomes the same, or even slightly less.

    Or the private school teacher who rents in New York, has more than people who inherit an apartment in Moscow. But the comparison is the person who inherits an apartment in New York.
     
    The comparison is typical to typical.

    50% of Russians own their dwelling outright, without paying either rent or mortgage. This is typical, for Russians. Not to pay for where they live. They may have gotten the flat for free themselves, if they lived in it in 1990 or 1991. Or they inherited it from parents, grandparents, uncles, etc. Sometimes a family who got a three room flat in 1991 would sell it in, say, 2010 when the children grew up, so that each kid would have their own 2 room flat and own it outright when they grew up and married and started their own family. And some people were still getting free flats later too, I know someone who recently got one through their employer (some institute) a few years ago. It happens, though rarely.

    Whatever the source, the typical Russian owns his own place and doesn’t owe a mortgage on it or pays rent for it. This is how it is for 50% of Russians, according to your data that claims 65% of Russians own their dwelling and the data I posted showing that only 15% of Russians have mortgaged where they live.

    Only 23% of Americans are in this position. Typical Americans do pay for where they live. Either rent or mortgage.

    So to compare typical to typical you do not add cost or rent to mortgage for Russians, but you add it for Americans. The typical Muscovite saves $1500 per month in comparison to the typical New Yorker because unlike the typical New Yorker, the typical Muscovite doesn’t pay rent.
  577. @QCIC
    @AP

    How often do you guys speak with people in Ukraine; I mean by telephone or Skype, not email and text?

    Are communication channels normal?

    What about Russia? Are there any difficulties contacting some random person in either country?

    Thanks

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    I speak to one of my cousins every couple of weeks (when the war just started it was nearly daily). Facebook messenger is free and works normally.

    My wife uses Telegram to communicate with friends and family in Russia. But the phone works too.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Interesting.

    Thanks to both of you.

  578. @Mikel
    This group is representing Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today. Their song Heart Of Steel is inspired on the defense of the Azovstal factory by the Ukrainian ultra-right battalion:

    https://www.eurovisionuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Tvorchi-500x263.jpg

    Something's gotta give in post-war Ukraine. Or maybe not, they'll just become another woke appendage of the EU. As for Russia, the way things are going a Serbian scenario cannot be ruled out.

    Replies: @AP, @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Ukraine in the Eurovision song contest today.

    Well, it is falling compared to the culture level of Serduchka.

    woke appendage of the EU

    Postsoviet countries have probably the most LGBT mass entertainment. This doesn’t match to the local political system having Western “woke culture”.

    When Ukraine joins the EU, in the local politics it will be like Romania, Bulgaria, Albania etc. These are generally not economically elite countries, enough to support “woke politics”.

    There is usually not enough bourgeoisie for the “woke politics” to win elections in postcommunist societies. These are also aging countries, where the young people go to Western Europe.

    As a result of these (non-elite economic level, aging population), the local politics will usually be relatively “non-woke”, elections containing disproportionate influence of the views of pensioners who don’t have a lot of desire for Western virtue signaling.

    [MORE]

    As for Russia

    Bans of Russia from Eurovision, is only reducing the level of LGBT and multinationalism in the competition.

    For example, Eurovision becomes a lot less LGBT when they ban Dima Bilan.

    And the Blue light – The most important moment of television each year in all the postsoviet space, even when Zelensky and Galkin are not allowed to present sadly nowadays*

    * https://youtu.be/lkdDQX06ISI?t=23.

  579. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP


    according to other sources it’s around 90%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_home_ownership_rate
     

    In a way, it is impressive you seemed to hack Beckow's account earlier this thread, although he seems to have returned ownership now and sometimes you're using a bot to writes these posts to me.

    But the bot is in a loop here. I already explain the source of the Wikipedia article is statistica, which is not writing about the proportion of people who own property.

    We know the proportion of people who own property in Russia, so why repeating this circle from the Statistica page. English resources sometimes write unusual things about Russia or they are a working kind of autopilot. It's usually only more expensive resources like the New York Times or Wall Street Journal that will ask the Russian journalists about the topic like housing.


    One of the only good things about the Socialist legacy.

     

    Well, the problem now, is an interpretation of extreme "anti-socialism" in the social system. For example, they copy the Western coronavirus lockdown, but without the payments to the population in the Western coronavirus lockdown.

    Muscovite, making $1,000 a month prior to Covid, was living like a New Yorker making
     
    Median income Moscow workers in 2019, would have less money than New York workers with the salary of $1000 per month.

    So, the majority of Moscow workers in the peak year of 2019, have less money than New York workers categorized as living in poverty.

    And you believe this is to support your kremlinbot view. But there is actually something quite strange. Or not really strange, they moved the money out the country, don't support the low income population and continue a high inequality even in the display case capital.

    uscovite – $1,000 per month. No rent, no mortgage, no healthcare, pays only 13% in taxes.

    Typical New York private
     

    You can translate the creative accounting. You're saying the private school teacher who wants to spend a lot of money doing renting apartments in an expensive city like New York. They still have more money than median income people that would live in the apartment of their parents in Moscow. But there is a great different of living standard. Someone who has to live with their parents, someone who has money for renting.

    Or the private school teacher who rents in New York, has more than people who inherit an apartment in Moscow. But the comparison is the person who inherits an apartment in New York.

    Replies: @AP

    Median income Moscow workers in 2019, would have less money than New York workers with the salary of $1000 per month.

    Only if the government gives him more than $2500 worth of free rent and food, to add to his salary.

    But the median Moscow worker, making $1000 per month in 2019, or a little more than that in 2013, 2012 etc. would have about as much money as a New York worker making $3000-$3500 per month.

    You’re saying the private school teacher who wants to spend a lot of money doing renting apartments in an expensive city like New York. They still have more money than median income people that would live in the apartment of their parents in Moscow

    Not after they pay rent, health insurance etc. It becomes the same, or even slightly less.

    Or the private school teacher who rents in New York, has more than people who inherit an apartment in Moscow. But the comparison is the person who inherits an apartment in New York.

    The comparison is typical to typical.

    50% of Russians own their dwelling outright, without paying either rent or mortgage. This is typical, for Russians. Not to pay for where they live. They may have gotten the flat for free themselves, if they lived in it in 1990 or 1991. Or they inherited it from parents, grandparents, uncles, etc. Sometimes a family who got a three room flat in 1991 would sell it in, say, 2010 when the children grew up, so that each kid would have their own 2 room flat and own it outright when they grew up and married and started their own family. And some people were still getting free flats later too, I know someone who recently got one through their employer (some institute) a few years ago. It happens, though rarely.

    Whatever the source, the typical Russian owns his own place and doesn’t owe a mortgage on it or pays rent for it. This is how it is for 50% of Russians, according to your data that claims 65% of Russians own their dwelling and the data I posted showing that only 15% of Russians have mortgaged where they live.

    Only 23% of Americans are in this position. Typical Americans do pay for where they live. Either rent or mortgage.

    So to compare typical to typical you do not add cost or rent to mortgage for Russians, but you add it for Americans. The typical Muscovite saves $1500 per month in comparison to the typical New Yorker because unlike the typical New Yorker, the typical Muscovite doesn’t pay rent.

  580. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    It is Bashkortostan. They are the state forming people there, even if their elites had agreement to create the alliance with Moscow in the 16th century.
     
    Yes, but I meant his ethnicity, he's quite light so I thought he was at least part Slavic, but in fact, having looked them up, Bahkir skin is light, with those rather distinct features, very attractive people, the eyes look very interesting (neither Asian, neither Turkic, very unique).

    Though I don’t think Morgenshtern is interested in nationalism or Bashkortostan, he’s representative of a independent and cynical view of many of the young people in the region.
     
    He's not interested in Bashkir stuff at all. I'm guessing he's so mixed that he doesn't have a real ethnicity to identify with. Well, the young will always have slightly "independent" views, although the young can be different.

    What he does care about is the RusFedian legislation - they could shut him out completely, because he is already a "foreign agent" and now they're preparing a law to shut down anyone who cooperates with a "foreign agent", so they won't be able to play him on the RusFedian platforms. He will lose access to his audience entirely. I mean, you can argue he performs "degenerate stuff" or that he's not good for the youth, but still.. not sure this is right from the ethical POV. Although, if I were Russian, he'd probably drive me up the wall (similar "artists" in my own culture, who taunt society, especially with overplayed deviance, they drive me crazy, but in Morgenshtern's case there is a bit of a message there, it's not entirely empty).

    Btw, in his last interview you can tell he's not doing all that great... and has been struggling with depression (constantly vaping and drinking beer - not good). Sounded tapped out creatively. He's following what's going on, because he made a comment: "Я не русский, я узкий" (this is a parody of Shaman's song, so he knows about it). So he cares a lot. It's obvious he misses Russia.


    There is also the culture of money laundry as one of the main themes of his videos.
     
    The money theme is so overdone in his videos, it's good to have that context - it must be a childhood trauma. That's understandable, otherwise it just looks so tacky as if trying to imitate some American hip hop videos.

    He was organically popular with kids. I don’t think authorities can replace anything like him.
     
    They have now introduced Shaman (Yaroslav). But he seems to be more popular with middle age folks, although some younger women, too. He is the opposite of Morgenshtern, very скрепный. Morgensthern made fun of his song.

    You know, there will always be these kinds of frictions. You see this in the West too. Art should probably be apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn't realize you were into all this popsa, I was under the impression you only liked Rachmaninoff's piano concerts).


    Patriotism – the monopoly of “dinosaurs”, Basta, Baskov etc.
     
    Basta is old, they are trying to promote Yaroslav now.

    When he goes to Israel, you can see he how he tags the location names with Ukrainian language.

     

    Where? I didn't notice.

    It’s behavior of the people who are scared to go far and close the door.
     
    He cannot close the door, because his audience is there. That's all he has.

    Morgenshtern is also indirect with the argument with Kadyrov.
     
    God, I wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully, it looks like he no longer is so eager to be a TikTok celebrity. Go ride your elite Arabian horses - alone in the mountains.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    guessing he’s so mixed that he doesn’t have a real ethnicity

    He’s more of local ingredients of his city. Bashkir “businessman” father with early death. Mother is the Jewish flowerqueen of Ufa. The wife Dilara is Tatar. It’s kind of local stereotypes you would use to write a television series about Ufa.

    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians. It’s also low for young people, which are mostly Russians nowadays, with roots from Gypsies, Udmurts, Mordvins, Ukrainians, Jews etc.

    But nationalism can be a bit mainstream for a few of the nationalities with their republics like Tatars (mainly in Tatarstan), Bashkirs (only in Bashkortostan), Chechens (only in Chechen Republic), also Armenians, Azerbaijanis etc.

    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It’s not something related to specific nationality.

    I think the future historians will view him as one of the signs of his generation, especially he was the most popular celebrity of the last 1-2 years of the 1991-2022 epoch. When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    “The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk.” It’s now the new epoch 2022 – which we don’t understand yet.

    money theme is so overdone in his videos, it’s good to have that context – it must be a childhood trauma

    This is the description of the system. They are describing the deeper reality. The problem is just he has a bit of satire tone. But it is the elite’s values, methodology and reason for existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYi4a2eZL50. It’s like Mexicans that were born after the cartels’ wars, reflecting the values of the cartels’ wars.

    Shaman (Yaroslav).

    Basta is one of the most important celebrities, with real fans, famous career, organic popularity, decades of career, control of the music industry, always on the television. The political loyalty can be a bit depressing, because you can imagine an alternative Basta who was more sceptical.

    “Shaman” seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these. I never saw him before, like everyone. Probably they have some search engine optimizers to boost his video, so I would be sceptical he has received real views.

    apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn’t realize you were into all this popsa,

    I used to enjoy a lot of Russian television and even after I was not there many years past, I still used to have television playing on the computer in the background. I stopped the bad habit around 2018. But I have a lot of the acculturation from television.

    In terms of rap, I would only listen to American rap. I’m happy to say I never listened to Russian rap, even the “serious”. But in terms of the society, the nonserious rap is the music which describes the postsoviet system.

    It’s the most popular music. Rappers are also some of the most central in the court. You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family’s parties?

    ones do you personally like?

    E.g. I would prefer to listen to dogs singing, than the “musical talent” and “rap skills” of Max Korzh.

    But in terms of the culture vision, he was one of the important people of our culture of the last ten years and he showed the alternative possibility for the region. At least, he was working more for diplomacy, than all the ambassadors. He seems in Latvia at the moment btw.

    Where? I didn’t notice.

    It’s Ukrainian, the location tag for the city. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It’s not natural to add the location as Ukrainian language. Instagram autocompletes the location in Russian.

    He had to manually change the language for the location tag to Ukrainian. Ksenia Sobchak likes most of his posts, but she avoids this.

    wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully,

    Morgenshtern still also continues the conflict with Kadyrov, just indirectly and politely.

    He’s not Boris Nemtsov. But he is still doing mockery of Kadyrov. There is Hasbulla again, the court dwarf of Kadyrov. On the t-shirt. https://www.instagram.com/p/CqS4YkHr0TZ.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians.
     
    It depends on how you define it, ethno nationalism is scarce, but civic or imperial nationalism is not scarce (if one can even use the word "civic nationalism" in the case of this country).

    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It’s not something related to specific nationality.
     
    Oh, absolutely, I never said any of it is related to his nationality. I still think he has a more cosmopolitan outlook than a typical Russian. But he is liked because he is uninhibited.

    When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    “The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk.” It’s now the new epoch 2022 – which we don’t understand yet.
     
    Good description. But it's funny because they technically threw out the most popular one who was also "not good for the kids". And, yes, we don't know what will happen - it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian, but there is a slight chance that Russia will be free. Or there may even be something in between.

    “Shaman” seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these.

     

    That the young celebs avoided it, is an important piece of info. I also saw some youngish rapper fighting it out with Norkin not too long ago. It was a good display of defiance.

    Yes, Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it's funny how the Russian public, with only a few exceptions, is ok with him showing up looking like Hitler Jugend with a tricolor armband. But he is talented, with a good stage presence. But as I said, he is more likely to appeal to an older audience. He is "proper".

    You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family’s parties?
     
    Dima, please, spare me! :) This Zhigan test doesn't match my demographic profile, so it's a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial music mostly (so ask me about folk metal and I will pass all the tests!). All I know about those two Chechen little people is that one of them was a real chad - the one against Kadyrov, if I recall correctly. But who does that, who puts little people in MMA fights, that's brutal!

    As to the Putin question... hmmmm, my answer is that there is only one actually. I don't really believe in the whole doubles theory.

    He [Max Korzh] seems in Latvia at the moment btw.
     
    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  581. Sean says:
    @LatW
    @Beckow


    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities.
     
    If you read my comments more carefully, then you'd be able to see that I do not just focus on personalities, but have made plenty of general and very simple arguments which should be clear. Nobody knows what will happen and we're all guessing.

    In this case, I was just responding to Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic - in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him. I simply said that it does not appear that he has that kind of a personality (although his current state of mind does seem compromised) - he has a lot to lose since he has invested a lot into his kids. How he would act in the final hour is not known. There are men out there who don't care, but he doesn't seem to be one of them. He may not even be the one in charge.


    Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    The damage to Ukraine is tremendous and what has been done to Ukraine is a huge crime of massive proportions. It will take a lot to help make Ukraine whole again, if that's even possible or at least to help Ukraine reconstruct (it may become a global project with many states pitching in). By the way, the reconstruction has already begun in some areas. When large parts of Ukraine will be rebuilt, they will be rebuilt to a very high standard. This is still sad - the old places that were destroyed, took all the old memories and all the old culture with them... the material is gone, and only the memories in people's minds will remain. Or pictures.

    Ukraine has not yet been destroyed as a state - ше не вмерла! She hasn't died yet. On the contrary, their status seems to be somewhat elevated on the international landscape (feel free to disagree, I know you will). 20% of their territory is an immensely large chunk indeed, this is a giant land grab, no doubt about that, but remember that much was taken before 2022. This is about to become undone - the operation Nebesna Kara (Divine Retribution) has only just started. So we'll see.

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more. I also don't believe that the original goals of the RusFed have been fully met.


    without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    Yea, but there is Western help and it will continue. Besides, Ukrainians have demonstrated that they have good organizational skills - the Ukrainian volunteer movement is an incredible phenomenon, and it functions all by itself. You just choose to not see it and to give them credit. They are the real ones fighting this war.

    How is that a Western victory?
     
    I am getting more inclined with every day to distance myself from anything that you refer here as "Western victory" (although you might want to think about the fact that for the so called "neo-cons" this may not even be such a bad result in the end).

    For me, there will be no "victory" here, just grief and sorrow. Even if a de facto victory and the tremendous heroism of the Ukrainian military will be acknowledged. On the day of victory, we will grieve for the dead.


    but the map speaks for itself.
     
    Is the map static?

    Or Russia breaking up?
     
    Once again, be careful what you say. Even if something doesn't seem likely, with your words, you bring it within the realm of possibility. Don't hex yourself.

    Replies: @AP, @Sean, @Beckow

    Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic – in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him

    No. I was saying the opposite: that trying to fight Ukraine–actually an America/Ukraine assemblage–conventionally cannot work and will end with regieme change and then the break up of Russia. that if Putin wants to get himself and his country (currently like a frog in a pan of water that is getting imperceptibly warmer all the time), out of the fix it is in he ought to use theatre thermonuclear weapons on the Ukrainian army now. He is going do it eventually but vindictively, which will be too late to save Russia.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Chinese may also arrive over the eastern horizon. The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn't part of Moscow's calculus and neither is a Chinese intervention part of Washington's. If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

  582. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    I always liked Tacitus and thought Livy was a snooze in comparison. Maybe the historians like it just because more of it survived and it fills up a vacuum?

    Sutonius 12 Caesars is great if you haven't gotten around to reading it. Most of it is probably made up but the same is true of all ancient histories.

    Replies: @Wanderghost

    Most of it is probably made up but the same is true of all ancient histories.

    Not, of course, to mention modern and current history.

  583. @A123
    @sudden death

    I doubt that Putin sees it that way. Or, Xi for that matter.

    Try to be serious... Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks. If you think Putin will not use nukes.... You are kidding yourself.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals that CCP’ied China is seriously backing him, cause there is no need to persuade RF population for Xi.

    RF elections are fully controlled and desired results without much problems can be painted in MS Paint if required by Putin despite whatever real numbers may be in 2024, especially knowing that he still get around 35% of all votes thanx to RU TV zombies even without serious falsifying.

    So 2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death



    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks.
     
    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals
     
    Signal? No.... It was a statement that Putin is popular and headed to an easy & well earned win.

    Again he only has to keep more nationalist opposition at bay. Russian Leftoids are not a threat.

    From #528 --Putin’s survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces
     
    There is still nothing to indicate large numbers of regular service PLA troops will be sent to Ukraine (or Moscow) to "save" Putin. Even you seem to admit this is unnecessary.


    Try to be serious… Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    If you think Putin will not use nukes…. You are kidding yourself.
     
    2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.
     
    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    Russia would choose nuclear conflagration rather than return to the perfidious 2022 line. That line is largely what created the current need to fight. If Putin tried to concede Mariupol, he would be overthrown as an 'Enemy of the State'. What was that Tarantino line...

    Committed suicide by tying himself to a chair. Then, throwing himself of the roof. Twice.

    Putin does not want to be 'retired' that way. He will have no choice but to use nukes to ensure his own survival.
    ____

    Fortunately, a better option is on the way. Trump's 2nd term will essentially cutoff European Empire aggression in the region. Putin's best option remains waiting for Kiev to run out of war material.

    At that point a new border can be set. And, most likely it will look much like the current line of fighting. It serves both populations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

  584. @LatW
    @Beckow


    You still don’t get the situation and focus on personalities.
     
    If you read my comments more carefully, then you'd be able to see that I do not just focus on personalities, but have made plenty of general and very simple arguments which should be clear. Nobody knows what will happen and we're all guessing.

    In this case, I was just responding to Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic - in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him. I simply said that it does not appear that he has that kind of a personality (although his current state of mind does seem compromised) - he has a lot to lose since he has invested a lot into his kids. How he would act in the final hour is not known. There are men out there who don't care, but he doesn't seem to be one of them. He may not even be the one in charge.


    Russia has destroyed Ukraine as a state that can threaten it or be a staging ground for an attack. They took 20% off the land, Kiev is economically dead, tens of millions left (probably permanently), without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    The damage to Ukraine is tremendous and what has been done to Ukraine is a huge crime of massive proportions. It will take a lot to help make Ukraine whole again, if that's even possible or at least to help Ukraine reconstruct (it may become a global project with many states pitching in). By the way, the reconstruction has already begun in some areas. When large parts of Ukraine will be rebuilt, they will be rebuilt to a very high standard. This is still sad - the old places that were destroyed, took all the old memories and all the old culture with them... the material is gone, and only the memories in people's minds will remain. Or pictures.

    Ukraine has not yet been destroyed as a state - ше не вмерла! She hasn't died yet. On the contrary, their status seems to be somewhat elevated on the international landscape (feel free to disagree, I know you will). 20% of their territory is an immensely large chunk indeed, this is a giant land grab, no doubt about that, but remember that much was taken before 2022. This is about to become undone - the operation Nebesna Kara (Divine Retribution) has only just started. So we'll see.

    But, tbh, both of these countries have been compromised and weakened, Ukraine, of course, more. I also don't believe that the original goals of the RusFed have been fully met.


    without Western help Ukraine would turn into a giant chaotic Moldova.
     
    Yea, but there is Western help and it will continue. Besides, Ukrainians have demonstrated that they have good organizational skills - the Ukrainian volunteer movement is an incredible phenomenon, and it functions all by itself. You just choose to not see it and to give them credit. They are the real ones fighting this war.

    How is that a Western victory?
     
    I am getting more inclined with every day to distance myself from anything that you refer here as "Western victory" (although you might want to think about the fact that for the so called "neo-cons" this may not even be such a bad result in the end).

    For me, there will be no "victory" here, just grief and sorrow. Even if a de facto victory and the tremendous heroism of the Ukrainian military will be acknowledged. On the day of victory, we will grieve for the dead.


    but the map speaks for itself.
     
    Is the map static?

    Or Russia breaking up?
     
    Once again, be careful what you say. Even if something doesn't seem likely, with your words, you bring it within the realm of possibility. Don't hex yourself.

    Replies: @AP, @Sean, @Beckow

    He does care about his self-preservation…Putin is somehow fatalistic…

    I don’t mind occasional musings about leaders’ personalities, but they are meaningless. Maybe you don’t do it, but ‘personalizing’ countries is not helpful – identifying US with Biden’s dementia or Ukraine with Zelko’s clownishness is also avoiding reality. The war is for all marbles and the current leaders are only playing their roles.

    there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow

    We agree on that, it is a catastrophe. The reasons will be emotionally manipulated for a long time, but eventually – if we are still around – people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies’ idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa…), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    Is the map static?

    It has been stable. But who is in a stronger position as time passes? The offensive is not how you win these wars – it is costly in human lives and easily reversible. Kiev can destroy the Crimea bridge and surge forward, but what would keep Russians from annihilating Lviv or parts of Kiev? Is the dream of Crimea reconquest worth it?

    The problem for Kiev is that the only deal that would solve almost all problems doesn’t satisfy the neo-cons goals: Nato in Ukraine, Russians expelled (or killed) and Crimea under Nato control. Some morons even have bigger dreams. Kiev is supervised by the neo-cons and the grief will continue, more Ukies will die, Ukraine will be destroyed, more hysterical propaganda.

    Russia has been fighting moderately – not like the Nato wars with shock-and-awe and hundreds of thousands killed civilians. They can do a lot more damage. It is possible that Kremlin is letting the frustration accumulate so they can go ape-shit. Countries often do that, US did it many times. The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing ‘fellow Ukrainians’. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless ‘kill them all, they are traitors or fools‘ sentiment. There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    I can't shake the image of Resnikov in the driver seat of the Challenger 2 thumbs up saying "thanks!" though. He looked so damned happy in his red paratrooper jacket.


    A lot of this is about retooling Ukraine in a NATO pattern. I have to hand it to the Ukie generals, they got what they wanted.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    ‘personalizing’ countries is not helpful – identifying US with Biden’s dementia or Ukraine with Zelko’s clownishness is also avoiding reality.
     
    Understanding the current anti-American regime in the White House requires looking at his extremely pliable mental condition. The Veggie-in-Chief wanders around on stage trying to shake hands with invisible people. Only the horror of elevating Kamala keeps him in office.

    Not-The-President Biden is a puppet run by foreign interests. Macron & Scholz direct his policy in Ukraine. He lets CCP spy balloons fly over America. How is the country served by such follies?

    Biden policy is *not* American policy. The next President will have to spend time and effort undoing Beijing Biden's mistakes. For example, pushing Russia and China together is an obvious, European led, neocon error.

    There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.
     
    This is certainly true.

    Kiev aggression is funded by outside resources. America is slipping the chain placed on it by Europe and will be sending less. Will Macron & Scholz expend the necessary over €5 billion a month to keep Zelensky's forces in the field? I doubt it.

    Ukraine's best option would be an immediate armistice. Unfortunately, Berlin & Paris will not allow that to happen. And, they will not support the fight either. When will Zelensky realize the situation is hopeless and flee to his EU sinecure?

    PEACE 😇
    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Zelko’s clownishness
     
    Zelko was just awarded the Charlemagne prize for fostering European unity. They're in.

    but eventually – if we are still around – people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies’ idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa…), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.
     
    So you are now a self-pronounced Vanga who knows what people will admit in the future? Look, you can continue throwing everything in a one sided pile, but it will not help you appear more objective. I won't be putting in the work to persuade you, it's really your own business. I don't want to dig in these past events, but the fact that you don't see the nuance in events such as Odessa - that says everything (you might want to investigate the role of the police chief there - deliberate neglect with the most likely aim to foster separatism which led to a tragedy in his own city). If you are unwilling to see nuance, then I can't help you.


    It has been stable.
     
    This is not fully accurate. It has looked stable for many months, if you just look at the positions of the troops. But it is not at all stable if you look at what goes on in the rear - there have been explosions in fuel depots and other objects of similar importance now for weeks if not longer. The bavovna season is very much on, including on the RusFed territory (!!).

    The offensive is not how you win these wars – it is costly in human lives and easily reversible.
     
    The Ukrainian side are fully aware that it will be costly, this is why they are not in a rush. They are holding off to receive all possible equipment that can be used to protect the troops.

    Russia has been fighting moderately

     

    Are you sure about that? The civilian casualties are very high. Inexcusably so. Also, if you look at the arsenal employed, it is not insignificant.

    They can do a lot more damage.
     
    They can do a lot of damage, no doubt. They are killing civilians with Shaheds as we speak. And they have the Kinzhal (I will hold off commenting whether one of these was taken out by the Patriot the other, since it's hard to tell if it's true). This is a huge crime that will not be forgiven for a very long time. They already have done tremendous damage. But can they achieve their initial political goals? Why do the goals keep changing all the time (they are totally obscure now)? And can they defend their positions (now that they have assumed a defensive posture)? Distance from Bryansk to Moscow is 400kms. What does this area look like? Did the kremlins ever think about it? Or was "demilitarization" and "denazification" of other countries more of a priority?

    We are very lucky that they are what they are.

    The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing ‘fellow Ukrainians’. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless ‘kill them all, they are traitors or fools‘ sentiment
     
    This is simply not true. Many of them have hated Ukrainians and others very ardently, from the get go. They were never shy about letting it known. There have been open calls on Russian TV to drown Ukrainian children. Where else on the planet is this possible or even accepted? It is a huge shame.

    This needs to stop, as it's been going on for too long now. They either stop and contain themselves, or there will need to be a wall. Probably needs to be one either way after all of this.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  585. @Beckow
    @LatW


    He does care about his self-preservation...Putin is somehow fatalistic...
     
    I don't mind occasional musings about leaders' personalities, but they are meaningless. Maybe you don't do it, but 'personalizing' countries is not helpful - identifying US with Biden's dementia or Ukraine with Zelko's clownishness is also avoiding reality. The war is for all marbles and the current leaders are only playing their roles.

    there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow
     
    We agree on that, it is a catastrophe. The reasons will be emotionally manipulated for a long time, but eventually - if we are still around - people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies' idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa...), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    Is the map static?
     
    It has been stable. But who is in a stronger position as time passes? The offensive is not how you win these wars - it is costly in human lives and easily reversible. Kiev can destroy the Crimea bridge and surge forward, but what would keep Russians from annihilating Lviv or parts of Kiev? Is the dream of Crimea reconquest worth it?

    The problem for Kiev is that the only deal that would solve almost all problems doesn't satisfy the neo-cons goals: Nato in Ukraine, Russians expelled (or killed) and Crimea under Nato control. Some morons even have bigger dreams. Kiev is supervised by the neo-cons and the grief will continue, more Ukies will die, Ukraine will be destroyed, more hysterical propaganda.

    Russia has been fighting moderately - not like the Nato wars with shock-and-awe and hundreds of thousands killed civilians. They can do a lot more damage. It is possible that Kremlin is letting the frustration accumulate so they can go ape-shit. Countries often do that, US did it many times. The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing 'fellow Ukrainians'. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless 'kill them all, they are traitors or fools' sentiment. There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @LatW

    I can’t shake the image of Resnikov in the driver seat of the Challenger 2 thumbs up saying “thanks!” though. He looked so damned happy in his red paratrooper jacket.

    A lot of this is about retooling Ukraine in a NATO pattern. I have to hand it to the Ukie generals, they got what they wanted.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke


    Resnikov
     
    That would be Reznikov, or the offspring of a reznik:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reznik
  586. Whatever the reasons, but Lukashenko health problems seems to be real:

    It is noted that Lukashenka did not appear at the ceremony of honoring the state flag, coat of arms and anthem, which takes place on May 14 at the State Flag Square in Minsk.

    Instead, Lukashenka’s speech was delivered by Prime Minister Roman Golovchenko.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/14/7402117/

    imho, it may just as well may be banal longer term delayed consequences of having weakened natural immunity after Covid at his age too – Lukashenko publicly admitted of having infection and experiencing visible lung damage, noted on a scan by his doctor in 2020 autumn IIRC

    Ofc he downplayed it then and said he even didn’t felt and knew anything at all and having learned it later during routine health check at the time, but not during actual infection, which was “asymptomatic”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    Ofc he downplayed it then and said he even didn’t felt and knew anything at all and having learned it later during routine health check at the time, but not during actual infection, which was “asymptomatic”.
     
    It was pretty funny though how he said it could be cured with vodka, this is what you're supposed to say according to the old school standards of East Slavic masculinity (it's kind of endearing almost, even if not wise).

    It will be interesting to see if this health issue is just a one time thing (he seemed quite robust before). If he leaves the stage, things could become very interesting - will Russia even have the capacity to act here and take over Belarus fully, when all the troops are in the South of Ukraine? The Belarusian people are very reluctant to enter the war (or attack Ukraine).

    Replies: @QCIC

  587. @Sean
    @LatW


    Sean who was implying that Putin is somehow fatalistic – in the same vein that some great historical figures have been fatalistic and when they lose they commit suicide. He was implying that Putin will do that and will take everyone down with him
     
    No. I was saying the opposite: that trying to fight Ukraine--actually an America/Ukraine assemblage--conventionally cannot work and will end with regieme change and then the break up of Russia. that if Putin wants to get himself and his country (currently like a frog in a pan of water that is getting imperceptibly warmer all the time), out of the fix it is in he ought to use theatre thermonuclear weapons on the Ukrainian army now. He is going do it eventually but vindictively, which will be too late to save Russia.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Chinese may also arrive over the eastern horizon. The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn’t part of Moscow’s calculus and neither is a Chinese intervention part of Washington’s. If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ...Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    They have already intervened by sticking with Russia. The most likely behind the scene deal between Russia and China is that they will assist each other. It is not in China's or Russia's strategic interest to see Washington prevail. That reality closes the strategic box. It is remotely possible that one or the other would betray, but very unlikely. It is even less likely that Washington would win simultaneously fighting both Russia and China.

    This is the ultimate neo-con fool's errand, one in a line of many missteps. This one is catastrophic and will likely be their last one. But the poor dead Ukies will not be around to see the end of this madness. Grief and sorrow, indeed...that's what happens when one sells himself for shiny promises.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Greasy William

    , @Sean
    @Wokechoke


    The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn’t part of Moscow’s calculus
     
    Only America really matters for military hardware in quantities that can turn battles . Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative bribe position in the Ukrainian energy sector.. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin's troll farm, and been soft on Russia over Ukraine by denying Zelensky arms was pervasive and in fact was the grounds for his first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was "a killer", and Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    I think Putin had to convince his minions and acted much more confident about a coup de main's prospects of success in the full on invasion because he was out of ways to deal with Ukraine short of war; that being the case he had to use force and what was essential was to get Russia into it instantly and draw on whatever resources were necessary later, yet Putin is now acting like he has all the time in the world. Sullivan has said the US objective is a Ukraine independent of Russia and 'a weakened and isolated Russia'. Ukraine has been denied so much that America has plenty of leeway to keep Ukraine in the fight, such as ATACMS, F16s jamming the Russia's GPS system and true real time intel . Hence Ukraine cannot be knocked out of the conflict because the worse things look for it the the more goodies it will be given. The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.


    If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    Because its vital interests are not at stake, China lacks escalatory dominance in relation to Ukraine, Taiwan is a very different thing and I have no doubt the Chinese are not bluffing about invading if Taiwan declares itself independent, but why would they do that? Unlike Ukraine before the invasion Taiwan has no lost territories it might be able to regain by inveigling America into assisting it with a shooting war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

  588. Current country of residence of former Russian vice-prime ministers :

    Ilya Klebanov – Israel;
    Alfred Koch – Germany;
    Arkady Dvorkovich – USA;
    Alexander Khloponin – Israel;
    Alexey Kudrin – Israel;
    Yakov Urinson – Israel;
    Maxim Akimov – Israel;
    Anatoly Chubais – Italy;
    Igor Shuvalov – Austria;
    Victor Khristenko – Spain;
    Olga Holodets – Spain.

    [MORE]

    In additional posts on this topic on Brief, they also write that a former prime minister (Kasyanov) lives abroad, as well as many top administrators of the Presidential Administration, ministers, governors. For example, the former governor of Perm, Chirkunov, started a vineyard and a winery in France, and in an interview said that he “just started feeling alive after leaving Russia.” Work in Russia seems perceived as an unpleasant and difficult business trip.

    In what country in the world would this be even possible?

    That the top authorities connect their lives with other countries, and not with autochthonous territory?

    Maybe just some African third world countries.

    And pay attention, no one relocates to the countries of our new friends – Iran, China, Eritrea, etc.

    Yes, even among armchair autochthonous patriots it is not customary to go to the territory of their adoration: no one moved to live to LPR and DPR (except for the former liberal and admirer of Ichkeria, who in his old age became a patriot – Babitsky; but even then his family remained to live in the Czech Republic) .

    I have said many times, but I will repeat it again: about the true course of the country, about its main ideology, attitudes, and so on. it can and should be judged only by the behavior of the authorities.

    Not how they slap their tongue, but how they behave.

    Moreover, this is a global trend – all trends in society are set only by the upper classes, then they are copied by the middle class, and last of all by the lower classes

    .

    From Pavel Priannikov’s Tg Channel.

    I wholeheartedly agree with him. Those who think that the RusFed-ian Noviop are some Russian patriots, or even God forbids some Russian nationalists, do not understand anything either about Russia or RusFed.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, you do live abroad too after all, but didn't stop loving and caring about the homeland;) Why should they be different if living abroad is the criteria for judgement?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    That's a lot of jews.

    , @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Coincidentally the list shows the real reason Crimea is so important to Russia.

    It's not what you think.

    Wait for it...

    --> You cannot be a Superpower unless your country has some nice warm beaches!

  589. @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Chinese may also arrive over the eastern horizon. The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn't part of Moscow's calculus and neither is a Chinese intervention part of Washington's. If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    …Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    They have already intervened by sticking with Russia. The most likely behind the scene deal between Russia and China is that they will assist each other. It is not in China’s or Russia’s strategic interest to see Washington prevail. That reality closes the strategic box. It is remotely possible that one or the other would betray, but very unlikely. It is even less likely that Washington would win simultaneously fighting both Russia and China.

    This is the ultimate neo-con fool’s errand, one in a line of many missteps. This one is catastrophic and will likely be their last one. But the poor dead Ukies will not be around to see the end of this madness. Grief and sorrow, indeed…that’s what happens when one sells himself for shiny promises.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Excellent little Finnish film UnknownSoldier shows the problem of a smaller state making legal claims against the Big Neighbour to the East.

    Excellent human material wasted over a mosquito infested swamp.

    , @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Do you think there is any chance China moves on Taiwan before 2030?

    My guess is that if Trump wins in '24, China will choose to wait until at least '29, probably more like '33 or '35. I think if Biden wins that there is a real chance they go for it in '25 or '26.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  590. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    I can't shake the image of Resnikov in the driver seat of the Challenger 2 thumbs up saying "thanks!" though. He looked so damned happy in his red paratrooper jacket.


    A lot of this is about retooling Ukraine in a NATO pattern. I have to hand it to the Ukie generals, they got what they wanted.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Resnikov

    That would be Reznikov, or the offspring of a reznik:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reznik

  591. @Ivashka the fool
    Current country of residence of former Russian vice-prime ministers :

    Ilya Klebanov - Israel;
    Alfred Koch - Germany;
    Arkady Dvorkovich - USA;
    Alexander Khloponin - Israel;
    Alexey Kudrin - Israel;
    Yakov Urinson - Israel;
    Maxim Akimov - Israel;
    Anatoly Chubais - Italy;
    Igor Shuvalov - Austria;
    Victor Khristenko - Spain;
    Olga Holodets - Spain.

     


    In additional posts on this topic on Brief, they also write that a former prime minister (Kasyanov) lives abroad, as well as many top administrators of the Presidential Administration, ministers, governors. For example, the former governor of Perm, Chirkunov, started a vineyard and a winery in France, and in an interview said that he “just started feeling alive after leaving Russia.” Work in Russia seems perceived as an unpleasant and difficult business trip.

    In what country in the world would this be even possible?

    That the top authorities connect their lives with other countries, and not with autochthonous territory?

    Maybe just some African third world countries.

    And pay attention, no one relocates to the countries of our new friends - Iran, China, Eritrea, etc.

    Yes, even among armchair autochthonous patriots it is not customary to go to the territory of their adoration: no one moved to live to LPR and DPR (except for the former liberal and admirer of Ichkeria, who in his old age became a patriot - Babitsky; but even then his family remained to live in the Czech Republic) .

    I have said many times, but I will repeat it again: about the true course of the country, about its main ideology, attitudes, and so on. it can and should be judged only by the behavior of the authorities.

    Not how they slap their tongue, but how they behave.

    Moreover, this is a global trend - all trends in society are set only by the upper classes, then they are copied by the middle class, and last of all by the lower classes
     
    .

    From Pavel Priannikov's Tg Channel.

    I wholeheartedly agree with him. Those who think that the RusFed-ian Noviop are some Russian patriots, or even God forbids some Russian nationalists, do not understand anything either about Russia or RusFed.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Well, you do live abroad too after all, but didn’t stop loving and caring about the homeland;) Why should they be different if living abroad is the criteria for judgement?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    The people in the list, are people who were in charge of the RusFed politics at a higher level, that's the difference between me and them. If people of my inclinations would have been allowed anywhere near the executive power and strategic planning positions in RusFed after 1993, we would be living today in a very different timeline. There would be Russia in that timeline, but no RusFed. In that timeline, I would have gladly stayed in Russia, but I cannot live in RusFed. I feel too much how fake and gay it is there.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  592. @Ivashka the fool
    Current country of residence of former Russian vice-prime ministers :

    Ilya Klebanov - Israel;
    Alfred Koch - Germany;
    Arkady Dvorkovich - USA;
    Alexander Khloponin - Israel;
    Alexey Kudrin - Israel;
    Yakov Urinson - Israel;
    Maxim Akimov - Israel;
    Anatoly Chubais - Italy;
    Igor Shuvalov - Austria;
    Victor Khristenko - Spain;
    Olga Holodets - Spain.

     


    In additional posts on this topic on Brief, they also write that a former prime minister (Kasyanov) lives abroad, as well as many top administrators of the Presidential Administration, ministers, governors. For example, the former governor of Perm, Chirkunov, started a vineyard and a winery in France, and in an interview said that he “just started feeling alive after leaving Russia.” Work in Russia seems perceived as an unpleasant and difficult business trip.

    In what country in the world would this be even possible?

    That the top authorities connect their lives with other countries, and not with autochthonous territory?

    Maybe just some African third world countries.

    And pay attention, no one relocates to the countries of our new friends - Iran, China, Eritrea, etc.

    Yes, even among armchair autochthonous patriots it is not customary to go to the territory of their adoration: no one moved to live to LPR and DPR (except for the former liberal and admirer of Ichkeria, who in his old age became a patriot - Babitsky; but even then his family remained to live in the Czech Republic) .

    I have said many times, but I will repeat it again: about the true course of the country, about its main ideology, attitudes, and so on. it can and should be judged only by the behavior of the authorities.

    Not how they slap their tongue, but how they behave.

    Moreover, this is a global trend - all trends in society are set only by the upper classes, then they are copied by the middle class, and last of all by the lower classes
     
    .

    From Pavel Priannikov's Tg Channel.

    I wholeheartedly agree with him. Those who think that the RusFed-ian Noviop are some Russian patriots, or even God forbids some Russian nationalists, do not understand anything either about Russia or RusFed.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    That’s a lot of jews.

  593. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, you do live abroad too after all, but didn't stop loving and caring about the homeland;) Why should they be different if living abroad is the criteria for judgement?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The people in the list, are people who were in charge of the RusFed politics at a higher level, that’s the difference between me and them. If people of my inclinations would have been allowed anywhere near the executive power and strategic planning positions in RusFed after 1993, we would be living today in a very different timeline. There would be Russia in that timeline, but no RusFed. In that timeline, I would have gladly stayed in Russia, but I cannot live in RusFed. I feel too much how fake and gay it is there.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    If people of your generation and persuasion would have taken over the top levers of power in 1993, how do you think relations would be different with Ukraine today? If more fair and equal, why not come out harsher and condemn Putler's aggression in Ukraine? If not, what's the difference?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  594. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123

    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals that CCP'ied China is seriously backing him, cause there is no need to persuade RF population for Xi.

    RF elections are fully controlled and desired results without much problems can be painted in MS Paint if required by Putin despite whatever real numbers may be in 2024, especially knowing that he still get around 35% of all votes thanx to RU TV zombies even without serious falsifying.

    So 2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.

    Replies: @A123

    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks.

    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals

    Signal? No…. It was a statement that Putin is popular and headed to an easy & well earned win.

    Again he only has to keep more nationalist opposition at bay. Russian Leftoids are not a threat.

    From #528 –Putin’s survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces

    There is still nothing to indicate large numbers of regular service PLA troops will be sent to Ukraine (or Moscow) to “save” Putin. Even you seem to admit this is unnecessary.

    Try to be serious… Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    If you think Putin will not use nukes…. You are kidding yourself.

    2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.

    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    Russia would choose nuclear conflagration rather than return to the perfidious 2022 line. That line is largely what created the current need to fight. If Putin tried to concede Mariupol, he would be overthrown as an ‘Enemy of the State’. What was that Tarantino line…

    Committed suicide by tying himself to a chair. Then, throwing himself of the roof. Twice.

    Putin does not want to be ‘retired’ that way. He will have no choice but to use nukes to ensure his own survival.
    ____

    Fortunately, a better option is on the way. Trump’s 2nd term will essentially cutoff European Empire aggression in the region. Putin’s best option remains waiting for Kiev to run out of war material.

    At that point a new border can be set. And, most likely it will look much like the current line of fighting. It serves both populations.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.
     
    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you've been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too, before RF was kicked out from there, Mariupol city isn't anyhow different in this regard;)

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.
     
    More solid proof that kremlinstoogeA123 has been seriously huffing that airplane glue. I feel sorry for kremlinstoogeA123, he needs to have himself enrolled in a drug rehab/addiction center, pronto...

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4330748188.3535/pp,504x498-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

    C'mon kremlinstoogeA123, don't give up, you can do it!

    Replies: @Beckow

  595. @A123
    @sudden death



    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks.
     
    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals
     
    Signal? No.... It was a statement that Putin is popular and headed to an easy & well earned win.

    Again he only has to keep more nationalist opposition at bay. Russian Leftoids are not a threat.

    From #528 --Putin’s survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces
     
    There is still nothing to indicate large numbers of regular service PLA troops will be sent to Ukraine (or Moscow) to "save" Putin. Even you seem to admit this is unnecessary.


    Try to be serious… Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    If you think Putin will not use nukes…. You are kidding yourself.
     
    2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.
     
    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    Russia would choose nuclear conflagration rather than return to the perfidious 2022 line. That line is largely what created the current need to fight. If Putin tried to concede Mariupol, he would be overthrown as an 'Enemy of the State'. What was that Tarantino line...

    Committed suicide by tying himself to a chair. Then, throwing himself of the roof. Twice.

    Putin does not want to be 'retired' that way. He will have no choice but to use nukes to ensure his own survival.
    ____

    Fortunately, a better option is on the way. Trump's 2nd term will essentially cutoff European Empire aggression in the region. Putin's best option remains waiting for Kiev to run out of war material.

    At that point a new border can be set. And, most likely it will look much like the current line of fighting. It serves both populations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

    Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you’ve been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too, before RF was kicked out from there, Mariupol city isn’t anyhow different in this regard;)

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you’ve been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too
     
    Your IIRC is incorrect;) Your absurd BS is a failed effort at propaganda;)

    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it. This is entirely different versus the Mariupol rescue where much of the city was captured intact, many residents stayed, utilities (water, sewer, electricity, etc.) were restored, schools reopened. Only the Neo Nazi redoubt centered on the Azov steel works was flattened.

    Having made it across the Dnieper, my conjecture was that they had a good chance at reaching Mykolaiv and the Southern Bug River. The next geographic feature with huge military benefit. Having not secured the area, an orderly withdrawal from Kherson made sense. Leaving troops on the wrong side of the Dnieper would invite unnecessary losses. And, the wrecked city has little strategic value. Kherson is effectively an uninhabited wasteland, and will likely remain that way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  596. @AP
    @Beckow


    "Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary"

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934
     
    No, Poland rebuffed efforts at an alliance with Germany and only agreed to a nonaggression treaty in 1934 in which each side recognized the other's post-Versailles territory and promised not to attack the other.

    Furthermore, at the time that this pat was signed with Hitler, Poland also sent its foreign minister to the USSR to confirm a nonaggression pact with the USSR also. So it was clearly not an anti-Soviet pact. Just an agreement to recognize borders and not attack one another. You are lying again.

    You are repeating fairy tales told by Soviets to ignorant people who believe them.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    "After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. "

    Hitler was so eager for an alliance with Poland that after Pilsudski's death he came to Warsaw for the funeral. But no alliance was signed, by the stubborn Poles.

    In their place, the Slovaks would have signed an alliance. Indeed they did so. But Poles were not Slovaks.

    By refusing to join Hitler in his anti-Soviet crusade (which with Polish participation would have meant the end of the USSR and annihilation of the Soviet people), the Poles lost millions of people. Probably no nation is as lacking of gratitude towards anyone, as Russians are towards Poles, whose stubborn refusal to join the Nazis in an anti-Soviet crusade (at great price to themselves) enabled the Russians to continue to exist.

    In contrast to the limited Polish-German nonaggression pact, several pacts signed between the Soviets and Nazis indicated an actual alliance.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact involved an agreement to divide Europe between themselves.

    The German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) and German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) resulted in the Soviets supplying the German war machine with raw materials and oil that were used in Germany's war against the West.

    From wiki: During both the first period of the 1940 agreement (11 February 1940 to 1941) and the second (11 February 1941 until the Pact was broken), Germany received massive quantities of raw materials, including over:[4]: 47 [5]: 

    1,500,000 metric tons (1,700,000 short tons; 1,500,000 long tons) of grains
    820,000 metric tons (900,000 short tons; 810,000 long tons) of oil
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of cotton
    130,000 metric tons (140,000 short tons; 130,000 long tons) of manganese
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of phosphates
    18,000 metric tons (20,000 short tons; 18,000 long tons) of chrome ore
    16,000 metric tons (18,000 short tons; 16,000 long tons) of rubber
    91,000 metric tons (100,000 short tons; 90,000 long tons) of soybeans
    450,000 metric tons (500,000 short tons; 440,000 long tons) of iron ores
    270,000 metric tons (300,000 short tons; 270,000 long tons) of scrap metal and pig iron
    200,000 kilograms (440,000 lb) of platinum

    Large amounts of crude oil were delivered, with German documents in 1940 already indicating that the Soviets had delivered crude oil at a rate of 140,000 metric tons (150,000 short tons; 140,000 long tons) a month for five months in 900 German tank cars exclusively reserved for it.

    :::::::::::::::

    That is the difference between an alliance and a mere non-aggression pact.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed
     
    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, no, thou protest too much….

    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking – or lying – can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934 – as the first country after Nazi took over. The M&R Treaty was also called ‘Non-Aggression Treaty’ and happened 5 1/2 years later two weeks before Germany attacked Poland. The point of M&R was for Germany not to take the Polish colonial eastern territories in Ukraine and Belarus (they grabbed in 1920) and save the non-Polish population living there (Jews and others). None of the east is a part of Poland today, so what aggression?

    You lie about the 1930’s Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany. Germany didn’t want it – they wanted the Polish lebensraum and no Poles living there. That’s what they did killing 5-6 million pre-war Polish citizens. Great move by Warsaw, as always.

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time. They are the ultimate puppets dying for others’ interests. But one can’t help stupidity.

    Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control.

    Hungary was an enthusiastic Nazi ally who joined Barbarossa and fought bitterly in Russia (some of the worst atrocities were done by the Hungarian troops). They ‘wavered‘ when Germany was obviously losing in 1944 – so did all German allies, including many Germans. Sorry, but that doesn’t really count. They were just scared that they were on the losing side. The Jews of Hungary ended up in Auschwitz and it was done by Hungarians.

    If your dream is that Poland should had been allowed by Germany something similar, you are one sick puppy. But the crazy mad hatreds eventually lead to that. It is almost certain that as in WW2 (and many times before) Poles will end-up bitterly regretting their latest march on the east. But one cant’t help stupidity. So go for it…

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (other then in 1941 when Nazis spurned them), and they lost every single time.
     
    btw, Great Northern War began as joint alliance in advance made by Russia and Poland-Lithuania rulers at the time in 1699 in order to attack Sweden year later, Lithuanian troops fought alongside Russians against Sweden in Courland then, so once again you're pushing BS.

    Ofc, judging on a long term it was stupidity to ally with Russian empire and those mistakes were not repeated after getting divided in reward for that earlier alliance;)

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking – or lying – can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934
     
    The problem is that you lie about the nature of the “treaty.” It was simply an agreement to respect the Versailles border and not to attack one another. Poland made the same one with the USSR.

    The M&R Treaty was also called ‘Non-Aggression Treaty’
     
    Unlike the Polish one with Germany, the Soviet one included provisions about cooperation in the division of Europe and was followed up with economic treaties that involved the Soviets supplying the German was machine.

    You lie about the 1930’s Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany
     
    I never denied that Poland was as a nationalist dictatorship. “Open to an alliance with Germany” is a lie. The opposite is true.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time
     
    You display your historical ignorance as usual. Poland (especially when united with Ukraine) almost always defeated Russia. Russians could only defeat Poles when they had Ukrainians on their side. The last time that Poland fought with Russia, Poland defeated Russia (without Ukraine) in 1920. Poland (plus Ukraine) defeated Russia numerous times in the 15th to 17th centuries. It even captured Moscow, and although it did not keep Moscow the treaty that ended that war resulted in a lot of territory taken from Russia (so the war was a Polish win, unlike Napoleon’s loss). Poles are not Germans, Swedes, or French. They are Slavs who know how to fight Russians.

    Only in the late 18th and 19th centuries did Poles lose to Russians but that was because the Ukrainians were on the Russian side. For example the 1830 Polish uprising was crushed by a Zaporizhian Cossack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Paskevich

    Not anymore. You are re-learning an old lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  597. If Erdogan loses, I wonder if that would invalidate the Ottoman 2.0 scenario, or if it doesn’t matter, and Turkey doesn’t need a ‘sultan’ to reassert dominance over the region.

    Related: I have seen a Jake turkey a few times now, and he almost seems friendly. Don’t know if at a certain point his testosterone will increase to the point where he flies straight at my neck, but, right now, I am thinking how much I prefer turkeys to chickens.

  598. @AP
    @QCIC

    I speak to one of my cousins every couple of weeks (when the war just started it was nearly daily). Facebook messenger is free and works normally.

    My wife uses Telegram to communicate with friends and family in Russia. But the phone works too.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Interesting.

    Thanks to both of you.

  599. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    He does care about his self-preservation...Putin is somehow fatalistic...
     
    I don't mind occasional musings about leaders' personalities, but they are meaningless. Maybe you don't do it, but 'personalizing' countries is not helpful - identifying US with Biden's dementia or Ukraine with Zelko's clownishness is also avoiding reality. The war is for all marbles and the current leaders are only playing their roles.

    there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow
     
    We agree on that, it is a catastrophe. The reasons will be emotionally manipulated for a long time, but eventually - if we are still around - people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies' idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa...), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    Is the map static?
     
    It has been stable. But who is in a stronger position as time passes? The offensive is not how you win these wars - it is costly in human lives and easily reversible. Kiev can destroy the Crimea bridge and surge forward, but what would keep Russians from annihilating Lviv or parts of Kiev? Is the dream of Crimea reconquest worth it?

    The problem for Kiev is that the only deal that would solve almost all problems doesn't satisfy the neo-cons goals: Nato in Ukraine, Russians expelled (or killed) and Crimea under Nato control. Some morons even have bigger dreams. Kiev is supervised by the neo-cons and the grief will continue, more Ukies will die, Ukraine will be destroyed, more hysterical propaganda.

    Russia has been fighting moderately - not like the Nato wars with shock-and-awe and hundreds of thousands killed civilians. They can do a lot more damage. It is possible that Kremlin is letting the frustration accumulate so they can go ape-shit. Countries often do that, US did it many times. The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing 'fellow Ukrainians'. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless 'kill them all, they are traitors or fools' sentiment. There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @LatW

    ‘personalizing’ countries is not helpful – identifying US with Biden’s dementia or Ukraine with Zelko’s clownishness is also avoiding reality.

    Understanding the current anti-American regime in the White House requires looking at his extremely pliable mental condition. The Veggie-in-Chief wanders around on stage trying to shake hands with invisible people. Only the horror of elevating Kamala keeps him in office.

    Not-The-President Biden is a puppet run by foreign interests. Macron & Scholz direct his policy in Ukraine. He lets CCP spy balloons fly over America. How is the country served by such follies?

    Biden policy is *not* American policy. The next President will have to spend time and effort undoing Beijing Biden‘s mistakes. For example, pushing Russia and China together is an obvious, European led, neocon error.

    There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    This is certainly true.

    Kiev aggression is funded by outside resources. America is slipping the chain placed on it by Europe and will be sending less. Will Macron & Scholz expend the necessary over €5 billion a month to keep Zelensky’s forces in the field? I doubt it.

    Ukraine’s best option would be an immediate armistice. Unfortunately, Berlin & Paris will not allow that to happen. And, they will not support the fight either. When will Zelensky realize the situation is hopeless and flee to his EU sinecure?

    PEACE 😇

  600. @Beckow
    @AP

    Well, no, thou protest too much....

    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking - or lying - can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934 - as the first country after Nazi took over. The M&R Treaty was also called 'Non-Aggression Treaty' and happened 5 1/2 years later two weeks before Germany attacked Poland. The point of M&R was for Germany not to take the Polish colonial eastern territories in Ukraine and Belarus (they grabbed in 1920) and save the non-Polish population living there (Jews and others). None of the east is a part of Poland today, so what aggression?

    You lie about the 1930's Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany. Germany didn't want it - they wanted the Polish lebensraum and no Poles living there. That's what they did killing 5-6 million pre-war Polish citizens. Great move by Warsaw, as always.

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time. They are the ultimate puppets dying for others' interests. But one can't help stupidity.


    Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control.
     
    Hungary was an enthusiastic Nazi ally who joined Barbarossa and fought bitterly in Russia (some of the worst atrocities were done by the Hungarian troops). They 'wavered' when Germany was obviously losing in 1944 - so did all German allies, including many Germans. Sorry, but that doesn't really count. They were just scared that they were on the losing side. The Jews of Hungary ended up in Auschwitz and it was done by Hungarians.

    If your dream is that Poland should had been allowed by Germany something similar, you are one sick puppy. But the crazy mad hatreds eventually lead to that. It is almost certain that as in WW2 (and many times before) Poles will end-up bitterly regretting their latest march on the east. But one cant't help stupidity. So go for it...

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (other then in 1941 when Nazis spurned them), and they lost every single time.

    btw, Great Northern War began as joint alliance in advance made by Russia and Poland-Lithuania rulers at the time in 1699 in order to attack Sweden year later, Lithuanian troops fought alongside Russians against Sweden in Courland then, so once again you’re pushing BS.

    Ofc, judging on a long term it was stupidity to ally with Russian empire and those mistakes were not repeated after getting divided in reward for that earlier alliance;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    I am not sure what your point is. That Poland also maybe once had an alliance with Russia? In the hundreds-of-years long history there were a lot of complex situation - Poland was also in Warsaw Treaty 1955-1990. But the unlimited willingness to attack or join attacks against Russia is the dominant theme of Polish history.

    Look, you make your choice. The emotional hatred of Russia among the Poles is not curable - even Russia saving Poles from annihilation in WW2 didn't cure it. Today Poles are enthusiastically allied with people who openly worship the Polish-murdering Ukies of Galicia-Volyn. Who does that? But the hatred of Russia overrides everything in Poland.

    Go for it and see if you can win this time. But if you lose and pay a price, don't cry about the 'injustice' - it is your choice. The Anglos will forget about you, the Germans will do business as they always do, the French will do their usual revisionism blaming the dwarf pervert, the Czechs will deny what they said (they always do), and Poles will be left standing alone - as so often in the past. Or, I forgot the Latvians will be right there with you, all of 1.5 million...and the 150k Crimean Tatars maybe too, but I doubt that...

  601. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123


    Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.
     
    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you've been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too, before RF was kicked out from there, Mariupol city isn't anyhow different in this regard;)

    Replies: @A123

    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you’ve been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too

    Your IIRC is incorrect;) Your absurd BS is a failed effort at propaganda;)

    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it. This is entirely different versus the Mariupol rescue where much of the city was captured intact, many residents stayed, utilities (water, sewer, electricity, etc.) were restored, schools reopened. Only the Neo Nazi redoubt centered on the Azov steel works was flattened.

    Having made it across the Dnieper, my conjecture was that they had a good chance at reaching Mykolaiv and the Southern Bug River. The next geographic feature with huge military benefit. Having not secured the area, an orderly withdrawal from Kherson made sense. Leaving troops on the wrong side of the Dnieper would invite unnecessary losses. And, the wrecked city has little strategic value. Kherson is effectively an uninhabited wasteland, and will likely remain that way.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it.
     
    lol, what's the point of such repellent and obvious lying, because Kherson city was taken in pristine condition without damage by RF very quickly, because UA troops retreated into Nikolayev at the February 2022. Later the main damage was done by UA in Chernobayevka airfield, where the main bulk of RF military stuff was kept, but it all was beside the city.

    And, the wrecked city has little strategic value.
     
    heh, your own written pontifications last year, roughly a month before RF was kicked out, sounded like this:

    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-197/#comment-5576753
     

    Replies: @A123

  602. @A123
    @sudden death



    Remember. Putin is a politician. His biggest personal risk is being out flanked by *more* aggressive rivals within his own country, not Libtard peaceniks.
     
    Xi publicly announced he has no doubt that Pu will surely win next elections, it was clear signal to any aggresive potential domestic rivals
     
    Signal? No.... It was a statement that Putin is popular and headed to an easy & well earned win.

    Again he only has to keep more nationalist opposition at bay. Russian Leftoids are not a threat.

    From #528 --Putin’s survival is ensured by great friend Xi who is against the use of nukes and will quickly send his own forces
     
    There is still nothing to indicate large numbers of regular service PLA troops will be sent to Ukraine (or Moscow) to "save" Putin. Even you seem to admit this is unnecessary.


    Try to be serious… Give a strategic end point that you think is achievable without pushing Putin into using nukes.

    If you think Putin will not use nukes…. You are kidding yourself.
     
    2022 February lines are possible to achieve for UA without apocalyptic headaches, but potential nuclear risks will surely be growing if those lines will be breached.
     
    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    Russia would choose nuclear conflagration rather than return to the perfidious 2022 line. That line is largely what created the current need to fight. If Putin tried to concede Mariupol, he would be overthrown as an 'Enemy of the State'. What was that Tarantino line...

    Committed suicide by tying himself to a chair. Then, throwing himself of the roof. Twice.

    Putin does not want to be 'retired' that way. He will have no choice but to use nukes to ensure his own survival.
    ____

    Fortunately, a better option is on the way. Trump's 2nd term will essentially cutoff European Empire aggression in the region. Putin's best option remains waiting for Kiev to run out of war material.

    At that point a new border can be set. And, most likely it will look much like the current line of fighting. It serves both populations.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack

    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.

    More solid proof that kremlinstoogeA123 has been seriously huffing that airplane glue. I feel sorry for kremlinstoogeA123, he needs to have himself enrolled in a drug rehab/addiction center, pronto…

    C’mon kremlinstoogeA123, don’t give up, you can do it!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You should know that when you respond to other people's points with a retarded cartoon you look stupid. Are you too dumb to even have a point of view - other than the idiotic non-sequiturs?

    You need to do better. You used to try a few junior-level arguments, but now you dropped down to a silly kinder-gardener. Get hold of yourself, Mr. Hacks, is it already so hot in Phoenix?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  603. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (other then in 1941 when Nazis spurned them), and they lost every single time.
     
    btw, Great Northern War began as joint alliance in advance made by Russia and Poland-Lithuania rulers at the time in 1699 in order to attack Sweden year later, Lithuanian troops fought alongside Russians against Sweden in Courland then, so once again you're pushing BS.

    Ofc, judging on a long term it was stupidity to ally with Russian empire and those mistakes were not repeated after getting divided in reward for that earlier alliance;)

    Replies: @Beckow

    I am not sure what your point is. That Poland also maybe once had an alliance with Russia? In the hundreds-of-years long history there were a lot of complex situation – Poland was also in Warsaw Treaty 1955-1990. But the unlimited willingness to attack or join attacks against Russia is the dominant theme of Polish history.

    Look, you make your choice. The emotional hatred of Russia among the Poles is not curable – even Russia saving Poles from annihilation in WW2 didn’t cure it. Today Poles are enthusiastically allied with people who openly worship the Polish-murdering Ukies of Galicia-Volyn. Who does that? But the hatred of Russia overrides everything in Poland.

    Go for it and see if you can win this time. But if you lose and pay a price, don’t cry about the ‘injustice’ – it is your choice. The Anglos will forget about you, the Germans will do business as they always do, the French will do their usual revisionism blaming the dwarf pervert, the Czechs will deny what they said (they always do), and Poles will be left standing alone – as so often in the past. Or, I forgot the Latvians will be right there with you, all of 1.5 million…and the 150k Crimean Tatars maybe too, but I doubt that…

  604. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Well, no, thou protest too much....

    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking - or lying - can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934 - as the first country after Nazi took over. The M&R Treaty was also called 'Non-Aggression Treaty' and happened 5 1/2 years later two weeks before Germany attacked Poland. The point of M&R was for Germany not to take the Polish colonial eastern territories in Ukraine and Belarus (they grabbed in 1920) and save the non-Polish population living there (Jews and others). None of the east is a part of Poland today, so what aggression?

    You lie about the 1930's Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany. Germany didn't want it - they wanted the Polish lebensraum and no Poles living there. That's what they did killing 5-6 million pre-war Polish citizens. Great move by Warsaw, as always.

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time. They are the ultimate puppets dying for others' interests. But one can't help stupidity.


    Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control.
     
    Hungary was an enthusiastic Nazi ally who joined Barbarossa and fought bitterly in Russia (some of the worst atrocities were done by the Hungarian troops). They 'wavered' when Germany was obviously losing in 1944 - so did all German allies, including many Germans. Sorry, but that doesn't really count. They were just scared that they were on the losing side. The Jews of Hungary ended up in Auschwitz and it was done by Hungarians.

    If your dream is that Poland should had been allowed by Germany something similar, you are one sick puppy. But the crazy mad hatreds eventually lead to that. It is almost certain that as in WW2 (and many times before) Poles will end-up bitterly regretting their latest march on the east. But one cant't help stupidity. So go for it...

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking – or lying – can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934

    The problem is that you lie about the nature of the “treaty.” It was simply an agreement to respect the Versailles border and not to attack one another. Poland made the same one with the USSR.

    The M&R Treaty was also called ‘Non-Aggression Treaty’

    Unlike the Polish one with Germany, the Soviet one included provisions about cooperation in the division of Europe and was followed up with economic treaties that involved the Soviets supplying the German was machine.

    You lie about the 1930’s Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany

    I never denied that Poland was as a nationalist dictatorship. “Open to an alliance with Germany” is a lie. The opposite is true.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time

    You display your historical ignorance as usual. Poland (especially when united with Ukraine) almost always defeated Russia. Russians could only defeat Poles when they had Ukrainians on their side. The last time that Poland fought with Russia, Poland defeated Russia (without Ukraine) in 1920. Poland (plus Ukraine) defeated Russia numerous times in the 15th to 17th centuries. It even captured Moscow, and although it did not keep Moscow the treaty that ended that war resulted in a lot of territory taken from Russia (so the war was a Polish win, unlike Napoleon’s loss). Poles are not Germans, Swedes, or French. They are Slavs who know how to fight Russians.

    Only in the late 18th and 19th centuries did Poles lose to Russians but that was because the Ukrainians were on the Russian side. For example the 1830 Polish uprising was crushed by a Zaporizhian Cossack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Paskevich

    Not anymore. You are re-learning an old lesson.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You have this touching belief that 'Poland with Ukraine' will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end. 1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920 - a loss after a short delay. But go for it - many will die and eventually the odds are high that Russia will win again. Or we all go to hell together :)...

    You play with terms calling something a 'pact' with evil provisions, and the same thing a 'non-aggression treaty', it is not serious. Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument. There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930's then that Soviets were. The 1939-41 intermezzo was after the war started - Soviets used the best strategy available to them. So did UK, France and US. Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory.

    Your objection to M-R is ahistorical: at that time it was the best among very bad options. It assured Russian victory and it also saved 1 million Jews who were evacuated before 1941. It was very costly for Poland - I agree - but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers. That's what happens when they constantly provoke and attack stronger neighbors on behalf of remote sponsors who don't care about them. Now they got Ukies to do the same. The result will be the same.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Sort-of relevant to this topic: What do you think that it would have realistically taken for Poland to hold onto Kiev back in 1920?

  605. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    The people in the list, are people who were in charge of the RusFed politics at a higher level, that's the difference between me and them. If people of my inclinations would have been allowed anywhere near the executive power and strategic planning positions in RusFed after 1993, we would be living today in a very different timeline. There would be Russia in that timeline, but no RusFed. In that timeline, I would have gladly stayed in Russia, but I cannot live in RusFed. I feel too much how fake and gay it is there.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If people of your generation and persuasion would have taken over the top levers of power in 1993, how do you think relations would be different with Ukraine today? If more fair and equal, why not come out harsher and condemn Putler’s aggression in Ukraine? If not, what’s the difference?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    It is not a generational difference, but a difference of outlook. People such as myself, would find no difficulty at all at finding a common ground with people such as Biletskyi. When I was young, the ethnic Slav nationalists of the three post-Soviet Slav republics have formed ЗУБР, it was a loose transnational movement which acronym stands for За Украину, Беларусь и Россию. Basically, the idea was to promote a Slavic confederation in the post-Soviet space. People of the РНЕ were among the founders of the movement that existed in the early 90ies. Of course, the Noviop saw this project as threat for obvious reasons, and the West wants no unity among the Slav for potential economic and geopolitical competition reasons. The movement got hijacked by the provocateur agents and went extinct.

    Pynya's war is a Noviop war. The Noviop are not a purely RusFedian phenomenon. There are plenty of Noviop in Washington DC, not to mention Kiev. Why would I root for any Noviop faction against another fraction in a mafia turf war ? Despite me being somewhat eccentric (something I acknowledge and assume), I have some common sense left and would not express support for anyone in this gang war. And remember, in my understanding this war started in 2014 at the latest, but one could dig much deeper into the root causes of this engineered conflict between two close and brotherly Slavic populations.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  606. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Kiev started this conflict in 2014. Then they exacerbated it by walking away from the Minsk deal. The Russian rescue mission of 2022 was the minimum & necessary respond to European Empire aggression. Now that Mariupol has been saved, there is no chance that Putin will allow it to again fall under oppression.
     
    More solid proof that kremlinstoogeA123 has been seriously huffing that airplane glue. I feel sorry for kremlinstoogeA123, he needs to have himself enrolled in a drug rehab/addiction center, pronto...

    https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.4330748188.3535/pp,504x498-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg

    C'mon kremlinstoogeA123, don't give up, you can do it!

    Replies: @Beckow

    You should know that when you respond to other people’s points with a retarded cartoon you look stupid. Are you too dumb to even have a point of view – other than the idiotic non-sequiturs?

    You need to do better. You used to try a few junior-level arguments, but now you dropped down to a silly kinder-gardener. Get hold of yourself, Mr. Hacks, is it already so hot in Phoenix?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I've tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn't get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn't acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he's totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    Until he acknowledges my comments, I'm under no obligation to respond more sensibly. When we were communicating, my thrashing him on topics like the Crimean water issue made him cower away and hide under his pseudo psychiatric character. I have none of these issues with you?...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    , @A123
    @Beckow

    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them. Hack should know that his responses are problematic. It is not that he refuses. He is mentally incapable of processing the real world.

    Until he wants to get better, the best option is placing Hack in your "Commenters to Ignore" list. If no one reads or responds to the crazy, perhaps that will convince him to get help. At a minimum, you will no longer be contributing to his mental dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

  607. Sean says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Chinese may also arrive over the eastern horizon. The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn't part of Moscow's calculus and neither is a Chinese intervention part of Washington's. If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn’t part of Moscow’s calculus

    Only America really matters for military hardware in quantities that can turn battles . Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative bribe position in the Ukrainian energy sector.. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin’s troll farm, and been soft on Russia over Ukraine by denying Zelensky arms was pervasive and in fact was the grounds for his first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was “a killer”, and Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    I think Putin had to convince his minions and acted much more confident about a coup de main’s prospects of success in the full on invasion because he was out of ways to deal with Ukraine short of war; that being the case he had to use force and what was essential was to get Russia into it instantly and draw on whatever resources were necessary later, yet Putin is now acting like he has all the time in the world. Sullivan has said the US objective is a Ukraine independent of Russia and ‘a weakened and isolated Russia’. Ukraine has been denied so much that America has plenty of leeway to keep Ukraine in the fight, such as ATACMS, F16s jamming the Russia’s GPS system and true real time intel . Hence Ukraine cannot be knocked out of the conflict because the worse things look for it the the more goodies it will be given. The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.

    If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.

    Because its vital interests are not at stake, China lacks escalatory dominance in relation to Ukraine, Taiwan is a very different thing and I have no doubt the Chinese are not bluffing about invading if Taiwan declares itself independent, but why would they do that? Unlike Ukraine before the invasion Taiwan has no lost territories it might be able to regain by inveigling America into assisting it with a shooting war.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The world is a sphere. The landings in Sicily shut down Kursk. The battles in North Africa turned off the Spigot in the Caucasus. The slightest pressure from China will tip over all the calculations now.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @sudden death
    @Sean


    The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.
     
    Putin doing any nuclear things in UA also means invasion force will be tactically nuked at Taiwan beaches, therefore CCP'ied China is against it and has atm all the needed leverage in current situation regarding influence on Putin's behaviour.

    Replies: @Sean

  608. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You should know that when you respond to other people's points with a retarded cartoon you look stupid. Are you too dumb to even have a point of view - other than the idiotic non-sequiturs?

    You need to do better. You used to try a few junior-level arguments, but now you dropped down to a silly kinder-gardener. Get hold of yourself, Mr. Hacks, is it already so hot in Phoenix?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    I’ve tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn’t get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn’t acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he’s totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    Until he acknowledges my comments, I’m under no obligation to respond more sensibly. When we were communicating, my thrashing him on topics like the Crimean water issue made him cower away and hide under his pseudo psychiatric character. I have none of these issues with you?…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    I’ve tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn’t get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn’t acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he’s totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    The Putin defenders believe he can do no wrong.

    Even before the war he was a nasty little dictator who poisoned the opposition and locked up journalists. He claims to value Orthodox Christianity and yet spent 1.3 billion on a mansion with a casino and stripper room.

    What I have been told by his defenders since December of 2022:
    1. No invasion is planned, it's just a CIA plot you stupid Jew. It's a training exercise.
    2. He won't target civilians, you're just a MSM brainwashed Jew.
    3. He isn't being pushed out of Kiev. You're just a Jew. Go listen to MacGregor.
    4. Ukraine is doomed by the great November/December/Spring offensive. Ukraine has no chance and only a Jew trying to trick us would suggest otherwise.
    5. Bakhmut is actually a master defensive trap set by Putin. Russia's kill ratio is off the charts. MacGregor says so. You're just a Jew.

    The Putin defenders have made him their alpha male. They are no different than spear chucking Zulu that mindlessly storm the enemy because leader gave the order.

    At the beginning of this war I asked them how filling the graves of Orthodox family men will stick it to the Jews. Their response? YEA WELL um.... YOUZ A JEW

    I'm actually not a Jew or even close. Putin boasts of expanding trade with Israel and I get called the Jew supporter for asking how this war makes any sense.

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Not really, I take what you write at face value. I actually think I understand where you come from. But some of your points are way too simplistic.

    For example to say that "Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine" is a slogan, it doesn't mean anything. US (Nato) were the aggressors in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria...they acknowledged it, but it had no real impact.

    Wars are complex and the aggressor side will describe it in a way that is not necessary wrong...there are always reasons...

    If a feisty fast-talking person calls you names, arms himself, threatens you, gets in your face, lies about your common sensitive history, and constantly says that his big friend is coming to kill you soon (haha...) - are you the aggressor?

    Technically yes, as Nato was the aggressor in its wars - but it is more complex. You refuse to acknowledge the Kiev's errors, 8-years of provocations, the obvious Nato plan to use Ukraine to weaken (even attack) Russia. What is an aggression in that context?

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.

    Your slogans and silly cartoons don't solve anything. They don't even address it. In that way you are contributing to the Ukrainian catastrophe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

  609. Is it true that Modi’s party vetoed Charles from wearing the Mountain of Light at his coronation, and are demanding all the treasures back despite the British Isles now being governed by three Indians?

    And if anyone is to have it, shouldn’t it be given back to the Sikhs? The people Flashman got it from?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    lol...skillful cowardly a true Englishman. Flashman VC.

  610. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You should know that when you respond to other people's points with a retarded cartoon you look stupid. Are you too dumb to even have a point of view - other than the idiotic non-sequiturs?

    You need to do better. You used to try a few junior-level arguments, but now you dropped down to a silly kinder-gardener. Get hold of yourself, Mr. Hacks, is it already so hot in Phoenix?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them. Hack should know that his responses are problematic. It is not that he refuses. He is mentally incapable of processing the real world.

    Until he wants to get better, the best option is placing Hack in your “Commenters to Ignore” list. If no one reads or responds to the crazy, perhaps that will convince him to get help. At a minimum, you will no longer be contributing to his mental dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    You're the only one here who has "diagnosed" me with some sort of mental illness (do tell, what exact malady I've acquired?). The only "illness" that I can see is perhaps rarely agreeing with you on topics related to the Russia/Ukraine war (SMO for stooges like you). When you're unable to deal with contrary views from your own, you chose to ignore the individual, and if that doesn't work, you like to label your opponent as being "mentally ill". I would say more, but I'm off to church and don't want to totally ruin my day by thinking about bad apples like you. :-(

    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren't you in church right now?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them.
     
    While this is true, the responses of lunatics can be interesting, sometimes even entertaining. Besides, Mr. Hack’s mental disorder is not unique: quite a few people suffer from the same ailment. Thus, his ravings are representative of a group of lunatics with the same screws being loose. Back when political correctness did not extend to science, a psychiatrist could have gotten quite a few high-quality papers based on these ravings. Now this is possible only outside of the imperial patch.
  611. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    If people of your generation and persuasion would have taken over the top levers of power in 1993, how do you think relations would be different with Ukraine today? If more fair and equal, why not come out harsher and condemn Putler's aggression in Ukraine? If not, what's the difference?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    It is not a generational difference, but a difference of outlook. People such as myself, would find no difficulty at all at finding a common ground with people such as Biletskyi. When I was young, the ethnic Slav nationalists of the three post-Soviet Slav republics have formed ЗУБР, it was a loose transnational movement which acronym stands for За Украину, Беларусь и Россию. Basically, the idea was to promote a Slavic confederation in the post-Soviet space. People of the РНЕ were among the founders of the movement that existed in the early 90ies. Of course, the Noviop saw this project as threat for obvious reasons, and the West wants no unity among the Slav for potential economic and geopolitical competition reasons. The movement got hijacked by the provocateur agents and went extinct.

    Pynya’s war is a Noviop war. The Noviop are not a purely RusFedian phenomenon. There are plenty of Noviop in Washington DC, not to mention Kiev. Why would I root for any Noviop faction against another fraction in a mafia turf war ? Despite me being somewhat eccentric (something I acknowledge and assume), I have some common sense left and would not express support for anyone in this gang war. And remember, in my understanding this war started in 2014 at the latest, but one could dig much deeper into the root causes of this engineered conflict between two close and brotherly Slavic populations.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's true the Moscow vs Kiev is reminding of "Bloods vs Crips".

    That's always true in your view the "non-European" software in Russia is more like most of the country and population are resources of an extractive colony, than the European nation state. Although this is also the same in many countries like Brazil.

    As for you opposing war with Ukraine, there is nothing special there. Anyone with basic morality or even nonmoral self-interest, opposes war with Ukraine. Actually question, is how anyone could support war with Ukraine. It's bizarre to see anyone support war with Ukraine.

    Promoting a slavic confederation in the postsoviet space was one of the motives of Putin for this war. It's not so much of guardrail for peace, as many of the most famous wars in European history were creating confederations.

    The theory of common slavic space which is popular with late Soviet people, is part of the reason our king views Ukraine as not a different nation, but instead a provincial rebellion against this king. It's what he wrote was the motive for the war.

    Your theory Russian is invading Ukraine because there are many minority elites in the Kremlin, is not politics I could recognize from Russia. Often the elite with minority roots in the Kremlin are more liberal, internationalist, nonpatriotic i.e. non-imperialist.

    You reversed the normal patriotic view that a minority elite is fifth column in Russia, normally because they oppose the wars, you think instead because they support the wars.

    The normal view is "minority elites are not patriotic enough to support war with Ukraine." But the normal theory of the fifth column at least matches a bit empirically attitudes of the elites, while saying "Russia invaded Ukraine because the anti-NATO views of Kudrin and Chubais" would seem like satire.

    Minority elites in the government in Russia was on average usually less "patriotic", more based in business, on average less from KGB. Within government, which part was "patriots" are more supporting invasion of Ukraine are not systematic liberals Kudrin, Chubais, Nabiullina, Mishustin. Systematic liberals are a problem because they compromised with the imperialists, i.e. the problem was "systematic", not "liberal".

    Also, the multinational oligarch class, with international trades like Makhmudov, Altushkin, Derispaska will be generally negatively for the war. Prokhorov was going to the election with promise Russia will join the EU.

    I would say the strongest anti-Western movement in the government, was probably the security people, the part of the elite from KGB/Leningrad like Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, Sechin, Bortnikov, Patrushev etc.

    It's not because they necessarily believe imperialism, but the KGB people have less ideology, while the liberal elite had still received some more Western ideology, which could have deprioritized military imperialism as the strategy.

    If Prokhorov was winning in 2012, there would not be EU and NATO membership. But Prokhorov reaction for euromaidan was less imperialist. https://md-prokhorov.livejournal.com/125177.html

    -

    *Sanctions after 2014 already causing pain for the businesses of the old oligarchs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0mibI_Dc.

    **I don't know how powerful people are thinking, but the general impression our people even from 1990s mafia seemed even a little simple and naive by comparison with our people from Soviet security services. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkcBIu1Gdc.


    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

     

    For Putin (http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 ), motivation for war against Ukraine was similarity of nationalities. This is not so illogical. Similarity of nationality increases usually the probability of conflict between nationalities. One of the common themes of history, is similar nationalities are more likely to kill each other than more different nationalities.

    Eritreans and Sudanese are more likely to kill Ethiopians, than kill Egyptians.

    Armenians are more likely to kill Azerbaijanis, than kill Russians. Armenians and Azerbaijanis are genetically the same people.

    China more likely to bomb an island with a Chinese population, than against Indians, Europeans or Africans.

    North Koreans more likely to kill South Koreans, than kill Russians.

    Croatians more likely to kill Serbs, than kill their Italian neighbors. Serbs are more likely to kill genetically identical Bosnians, than Romanians.

    Turks are more likely to kill Armenians who more similar, than kill Russians who are more different than Turks. Greeks more likely to kill Turks who are more similar to Greeks, than kill Egyptians who are more different than Greeks.


    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population.

     

    By the way, a lot of Palestinians are more "European" and "white" ethnically than a lot of Israelis, which is a third world immigrants' society.

    You know the blonde Palestinian girls regularly beating the brown and Asian Israeli soldiers for the photos.

    https://timesofislamabad.com/digital_images/large/2017-12-19/israeli-army-arrest-girl-after-she-slapped-israeli-soldier-in-west-bank-1514369116-7966.jpg

    https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2018/07/AP_18042356494255edit-1532984363.jpg

    Most Israelis are immigrants from the third world, many are as brown than Indians. So, the concept Zionism is "European colonialism", is today related more about the transfer of culture from Europe, not the transfer of ethnicity.

    This forum is unusual, because many people say something like "brown people cannot create modern organized countries, because of genetics".

    The motive of this view, is probably to boost the ego by imagining modern organization level to an unchanging property of the Northerners. But cultural transfer is usually correlated with genetic transfer, but it's transfer of the culture and institutional software which allows the high organization level of the modern society.

    People in Murmansk and Norway are not different genetically, but the corruption index of Murmansk will be like Mexico, while Norway is one of the most developed societies in world history.

    People of Singapore is genetically the same as mixing East Asians of Buryatia with South Asians of Mumbai. But the life of Singapore after the late 20th century, is not like Mumbai or Buryatia, it has more European organization and legal protection than significant regions of Europe today.

    The modern state is not a very natural for humans and to be successful depends on the type of political and legal software.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  612. @S
    @songbird


    It does seem like a race, and I wonder when it will ever end. How is it possible to return to some form of noblesse oblige? Or did it never exist? Am not sure a sane form of government is possible without jus sanguinis.
     
    Within the Anglosphere, slavery, and not truly having dealt with it by abolishing it, but instead monetizing it with the early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, ie the so called cheap labor/mass immigration system, really screwed things up.

    You can't serve two masters.

    The Anglosphere elites and hangers on chose to serve their slaves, both chattel and wage, (and the monetary profits and political power that comes with it), rather than serve the interests of their own people.

    The answer, going back to the time of Jamestown and the Plymouth colony of Virginia and Massachusetts respectively, when slaves were first introduced by diktat in the early 17th century, has always been at minimum to separate from these people.

    Easier said than done to be sure, but that always should of been the aim.

    The US Civil War, in reality a spat between the promoters of chattel slavery in the South and wage slavery in the North, was a major missed opportunity to have overthrown both them and their slave systems.

    Now, the wage slavery contagion (ie so called 'cheap labor'/mass immigration) has not only spread throughout the Anglosphere, but like a cancer whuch has metastatized, has spread throughout much of the rest of the world besides. :-(

    Replies: @songbird

    There is undoubtedly a great utility in segregation. Best case scenario would be to merely send the people who claim they want diversity to special areas designated for that purpose, where they would have to have skin in the game.

    Short of that, having your own institutions seems like it would be a big improvement. Though, I am skeptical to what extent such things would even be allowed to exist.

    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.
     
    You're much more sanguine about the current situation than I am, though I'd much rather you be right than me. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  613. @A123
    @Beckow

    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them. Hack should know that his responses are problematic. It is not that he refuses. He is mentally incapable of processing the real world.

    Until he wants to get better, the best option is placing Hack in your "Commenters to Ignore" list. If no one reads or responds to the crazy, perhaps that will convince him to get help. At a minimum, you will no longer be contributing to his mental dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    You’re the only one here who has “diagnosed” me with some sort of mental illness (do tell, what exact malady I’ve acquired?). The only “illness” that I can see is perhaps rarely agreeing with you on topics related to the Russia/Ukraine war (SMO for stooges like you). When you’re unable to deal with contrary views from your own, you chose to ignore the individual, and if that doesn’t work, you like to label your opponent as being “mentally ill”. I would say more, but I’m off to church and don’t want to totally ruin my day by thinking about bad apples like you. 🙁

    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren’t you in church right now?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren’t you in church right now?
     
    Thought that A123's religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.

    (Sorry A123, but I do enjoy making these sort of jokes)

    Replies: @A123

  614. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I've tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn't get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn't acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he's totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    Until he acknowledges my comments, I'm under no obligation to respond more sensibly. When we were communicating, my thrashing him on topics like the Crimean water issue made him cower away and hide under his pseudo psychiatric character. I have none of these issues with you?...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    I’ve tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn’t get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn’t acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he’s totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    The Putin defenders believe he can do no wrong.

    Even before the war he was a nasty little dictator who poisoned the opposition and locked up journalists. He claims to value Orthodox Christianity and yet spent 1.3 billion on a mansion with a casino and stripper room.

    What I have been told by his defenders since December of 2022:
    1. No invasion is planned, it’s just a CIA plot you stupid Jew. It’s a training exercise.
    2. He won’t target civilians, you’re just a MSM brainwashed Jew.
    3. He isn’t being pushed out of Kiev. You’re just a Jew. Go listen to MacGregor.
    4. Ukraine is doomed by the great November/December/Spring offensive. Ukraine has no chance and only a Jew trying to trick us would suggest otherwise.
    5. Bakhmut is actually a master defensive trap set by Putin. Russia’s kill ratio is off the charts. MacGregor says so. You’re just a Jew.

    The Putin defenders have made him their alpha male. They are no different than spear chucking Zulu that mindlessly storm the enemy because leader gave the order.

    At the beginning of this war I asked them how filling the graves of Orthodox family men will stick it to the Jews. Their response? YEA WELL um…. YOUZ A JEW

    I’m actually not a Jew or even close. Putin boasts of expanding trade with Israel and I get called the Jew supporter for asking how this war makes any sense.

  615. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I've tried repeatedly to convince him that Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine, and he just doesn't get it. How many times do I need to try? Besides, he doesn't acknowledge that I exist, so in his insular little world, he's totally immune to any of my insults. Ignorance is Bliss!

    Until he acknowledges my comments, I'm under no obligation to respond more sensibly. When we were communicating, my thrashing him on topics like the Crimean water issue made him cower away and hide under his pseudo psychiatric character. I have none of these issues with you?...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    Not really, I take what you write at face value. I actually think I understand where you come from. But some of your points are way too simplistic.

    For example to say that “Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine” is a slogan, it doesn’t mean anything. US (Nato) were the aggressors in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria…they acknowledged it, but it had no real impact.

    Wars are complex and the aggressor side will describe it in a way that is not necessary wrong…there are always reasons…

    If a feisty fast-talking person calls you names, arms himself, threatens you, gets in your face, lies about your common sensitive history, and constantly says that his big friend is coming to kill you soon (haha…) – are you the aggressor?

    Technically yes, as Nato was the aggressor in its wars – but it is more complex. You refuse to acknowledge the Kiev’s errors, 8-years of provocations, the obvious Nato plan to use Ukraine to weaken (even attack) Russia. What is an aggression in that context?

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.

    Your slogans and silly cartoons don’t solve anything. They don’t even address it. In that way you are contributing to the Ukrainian catastrophe.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance.

    So what is the solution? Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire. Russia's economy has been stagnant the last 10 years and adding Ukraine would have put them closer to major European countries in scale of economy.

    NATO was just the excuse at the time. In fact he hasn't blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.

    His stupid war has pushed previously neutral Finland into NATO.

    This is an epic disaster and the best move he can make is to withdraw his troops and then his blow brains out. Of course that won't happen because he has no sense of shame and will send out another 100k conscripts if he thinks that will get him Donbas. He no longer plans on taking Kiev which means a free Ukraine will remain. He just wants a chunk of Ukraine so his Orwellian State TV can call it a victory and any Russian journalist who points out his original goals will get prison time.

    Epic disaster.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.
     
    Until Russia's clumsy and devastating invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine's constitution. Ukrainians just weren't interested in such an alliance and didn't feel the necessity of setting up quarrelsome or possibly divisive alliances against Russia. As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine. We can now see the fruits of this kind of approach amongst Ukrainians. It's even driven formerly more neutral countries like Finland and Sweden to seek NATO membership. Face it Beckow, when it comes to foreign relations, Russia looks like just a big dumb DoDo bird, having its efforts met and surpassed by its big rival the US.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIQOEbNWQAIUWGo.jpg
    Political cartoons are not "silly cartoons" like our armchair historian Beckow would like everyone to believe, but very potent symbols used to influence the propaganda war between opposing points of view. They don't give Pulitzer prizes out for these sorts of clever creations for nothing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  616. @A123
    @sudden death


    Too lazy to search, but IIRC you’ve been previously last summer pushing the same BS about Kherson city too
     
    Your IIRC is incorrect;) Your absurd BS is a failed effort at propaganda;)

    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it. This is entirely different versus the Mariupol rescue where much of the city was captured intact, many residents stayed, utilities (water, sewer, electricity, etc.) were restored, schools reopened. Only the Neo Nazi redoubt centered on the Azov steel works was flattened.

    Having made it across the Dnieper, my conjecture was that they had a good chance at reaching Mykolaiv and the Southern Bug River. The next geographic feature with huge military benefit. Having not secured the area, an orderly withdrawal from Kherson made sense. Leaving troops on the wrong side of the Dnieper would invite unnecessary losses. And, the wrecked city has little strategic value. Kherson is effectively an uninhabited wasteland, and will likely remain that way.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it.

    lol, what’s the point of such repellent and obvious lying, because Kherson city was taken in pristine condition without damage by RF very quickly, because UA troops retreated into Nikolayev at the February 2022. Later the main damage was done by UA in Chernobayevka airfield, where the main bulk of RF military stuff was kept, but it all was beside the city.

    And, the wrecked city has little strategic value.

    heh, your own written pontifications last year, roughly a month before RF was kicked out, sounded like this:

    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-197/#comment-5576753

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    Why are you such a repellant and obvious liar?

        I know you are lying
            You know you are lying
                Everyone knows you are lying

    Where did you get the idea that Kherson was captured mostly intact?

    That is just crazy. Russia shelled it, and Ukie forces placed large number of booby traps and mines. RF stacked in even more mines as they pulled out. The city is largely unlivable.


    heh, your own written pontifications last year, roughly a month before RF was kicked out, sounded like this:

    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy
     

     
    Why did you not include my full quote? Could it be you were attempting misdirection? Yes. That must be it.

    Why are you such a bad liar considering how much lying you do?

    Here is the full quote for proper context, without your cherry picking:


    Your map overstates the Lyman advance, a better one is below. That being said, it is hard to see how Russia can block an encirclement. Once Zelensky’s forces take Lyman, what is he going to do with it?
     
    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy
    .
     
    Kherson was strategic when Russia was trying to take Mykolaiv, which was still on the board as an opportunity when I made that post almost 8 months ago. It was certainly more important than Lyman, which is the point I was making at that time. I guess you were to busy lying to notice.

    Kherson became less strategic and more a liability when that leg of the offensive did not succeed. Combat involves trade offs. Even a superior force does not win everything, everywhere, all the time. Let me restate what you ignored in your rush to lie about my position:


    Having made it across the Dnieper, my conjecture was that they had a good chance at reaching Mykolaiv and the Southern Bug River. The next geographic feature with huge military benefit. Having not secured the area, an orderly withdrawal from Kherson made sense. Leaving troops on the wrong side of the Dnieper would invite unnecessary losses
     
    To give credit where it is due. Kiev forces defended Mykolaiv by breaking RF supply lines. They destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper at Kherson. Now however, that effective defense has created a problem for Kiev aggression. Crossing the Dnieper while under fire is very difficult. And, once across, keeping offensive supply lines open with temporary bridges is even harder.

    Zelensky destroyed the infrastructure needed to mount a counter attack on Mariupol. This is for the best as any such assault would invite a nuclear response.

    PEACE 😇

  617. @A123
    @Beckow

    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them. Hack should know that his responses are problematic. It is not that he refuses. He is mentally incapable of processing the real world.

    Until he wants to get better, the best option is placing Hack in your "Commenters to Ignore" list. If no one reads or responds to the crazy, perhaps that will convince him to get help. At a minimum, you will no longer be contributing to his mental dysfunction.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    Engaging with the mentally ill does not help them.

    While this is true, the responses of lunatics can be interesting, sometimes even entertaining. Besides, Mr. Hack’s mental disorder is not unique: quite a few people suffer from the same ailment. Thus, his ravings are representative of a group of lunatics with the same screws being loose. Back when political correctness did not extend to science, a psychiatrist could have gotten quite a few high-quality papers based on these ravings. Now this is possible only outside of the imperial patch.

  618. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Not really, I take what you write at face value. I actually think I understand where you come from. But some of your points are way too simplistic.

    For example to say that "Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine" is a slogan, it doesn't mean anything. US (Nato) were the aggressors in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria...they acknowledged it, but it had no real impact.

    Wars are complex and the aggressor side will describe it in a way that is not necessary wrong...there are always reasons...

    If a feisty fast-talking person calls you names, arms himself, threatens you, gets in your face, lies about your common sensitive history, and constantly says that his big friend is coming to kill you soon (haha...) - are you the aggressor?

    Technically yes, as Nato was the aggressor in its wars - but it is more complex. You refuse to acknowledge the Kiev's errors, 8-years of provocations, the obvious Nato plan to use Ukraine to weaken (even attack) Russia. What is an aggression in that context?

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.

    Your slogans and silly cartoons don't solve anything. They don't even address it. In that way you are contributing to the Ukrainian catastrophe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance.

    So what is the solution? Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire. Russia’s economy has been stagnant the last 10 years and adding Ukraine would have put them closer to major European countries in scale of economy.

    NATO was just the excuse at the time. In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.

    His stupid war has pushed previously neutral Finland into NATO.

    This is an epic disaster and the best move he can make is to withdraw his troops and then his blow brains out. Of course that won’t happen because he has no sense of shame and will send out another 100k conscripts if he thinks that will get him Donbas. He no longer plans on taking Kiev which means a free Ukraine will remain. He just wants a chunk of Ukraine so his Orwellian State TV can call it a victory and any Russian journalist who points out his original goals will get prison time.

    Epic disaster.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down
     
    That is simply not true. Russia has asked for Ukie neutrality and it was told again and again to take a hike. Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda - an attempt to change the narrative or at leat to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.
     
    Did he? He certainly hasn't acted like that - the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc...And what empire? You seem to be saying that Russia itself is an empire - ipso facto, wouldn't you want to break it up? And we come full circle.

    Finland simply doesn't matter - a more sober Estonia. Who cares? Finland will lose some business and Russia will put some troops on its border. But Finns are normal, Ukies are not.

    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    It is also a realty that by starting the war (and taking 20% of Ukraine) Russia has stopped any possible Nato expansion to Ukraine. Kiev knows it too. Russia won that one for now.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders. And Crimea stays in Russia. That's the way it will end - a de facto Russian victory. So why kill thousands of Ukies in the meantime?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

  619. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123


    Kherson was rendered mostly non-viable when Russia over ran it.
     
    lol, what's the point of such repellent and obvious lying, because Kherson city was taken in pristine condition without damage by RF very quickly, because UA troops retreated into Nikolayev at the February 2022. Later the main damage was done by UA in Chernobayevka airfield, where the main bulk of RF military stuff was kept, but it all was beside the city.

    And, the wrecked city has little strategic value.
     
    heh, your own written pontifications last year, roughly a month before RF was kicked out, sounded like this:

    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-197/#comment-5576753
     

    Replies: @A123

    Why are you such a repellant and obvious liar?

        I know you are lying
            You know you are lying
                Everyone knows you are lying

    Where did you get the idea that Kherson was captured mostly intact?

    That is just crazy. Russia shelled it, and Ukie forces placed large number of booby traps and mines. RF stacked in even more mines as they pulled out. The city is largely unlivable.

    heh, your own written pontifications last year, roughly a month before RF was kicked out, sounded like this:

    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy

    Why did you not include my full quote? Could it be you were attempting misdirection? Yes. That must be it.

    Why are you such a bad liar considering how much lying you do?

    Here is the full quote for proper context, without your cherry picking:

    Your map overstates the Lyman advance, a better one is below. That being said, it is hard to see how Russia can block an encirclement. Once Zelensky’s forces take Lyman, what is he going to do with it?
     
    Russia is winning fights around Donetsk. And continues to hold Kherson. These two locations are vastly more important to Russia’s overall strategy
    .

    Kherson was strategic when Russia was trying to take Mykolaiv, which was still on the board as an opportunity when I made that post almost 8 months ago. It was certainly more important than Lyman, which is the point I was making at that time. I guess you were to busy lying to notice.

    Kherson became less strategic and more a liability when that leg of the offensive did not succeed. Combat involves trade offs. Even a superior force does not win everything, everywhere, all the time. Let me restate what you ignored in your rush to lie about my position:

    Having made it across the Dnieper, my conjecture was that they had a good chance at reaching Mykolaiv and the Southern Bug River. The next geographic feature with huge military benefit. Having not secured the area, an orderly withdrawal from Kherson made sense. Leaving troops on the wrong side of the Dnieper would invite unnecessary losses

    To give credit where it is due. Kiev forces defended Mykolaiv by breaking RF supply lines. They destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper at Kherson. Now however, that effective defense has created a problem for Kiev aggression. Crossing the Dnieper while under fire is very difficult. And, once across, keeping offensive supply lines open with temporary bridges is even harder.

    Zelensky destroyed the infrastructure needed to mount a counter attack on Mariupol. This is for the best as any such assault would invite a nuclear response.

    PEACE 😇

  620. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance.

    So what is the solution? Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire. Russia's economy has been stagnant the last 10 years and adding Ukraine would have put them closer to major European countries in scale of economy.

    NATO was just the excuse at the time. In fact he hasn't blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.

    His stupid war has pushed previously neutral Finland into NATO.

    This is an epic disaster and the best move he can make is to withdraw his troops and then his blow brains out. Of course that won't happen because he has no sense of shame and will send out another 100k conscripts if he thinks that will get him Donbas. He no longer plans on taking Kiev which means a free Ukraine will remain. He just wants a chunk of Ukraine so his Orwellian State TV can call it a victory and any Russian journalist who points out his original goals will get prison time.

    Epic disaster.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down

    That is simply not true. Russia has asked for Ukie neutrality and it was told again and again to take a hike. Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda – an attempt to change the narrative or at leat to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.

    Did he? He certainly hasn’t acted like that – the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc…And what empire? You seem to be saying that Russia itself is an empire – ipso facto, wouldn’t you want to break it up? And we come full circle.

    Finland simply doesn’t matter – a more sober Estonia. Who cares? Finland will lose some business and Russia will put some troops on its border. But Finns are normal, Ukies are not.

    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.

    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    It is also a realty that by starting the war (and taking 20% of Ukraine) Russia has stopped any possible Nato expansion to Ukraine. Kiev knows it too. Russia won that one for now.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders. And Crimea stays in Russia. That’s the way it will end – a de facto Russian victory. So why kill thousands of Ukies in the meantime?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    God Save the Finns from banging their noggins on Karelian pine again.

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down.

     

    That is simply not true.

    You believe it is not true. Maybe you doubt the veracity of the report but you can't be certain that it is false.

    We do know for certain that Zelensky tried to negotiate with Putin and Russia cut diplomatic ties. We also know that Putin put a hit out on Zelensky. It was in fact a huge mistake of Zelensky to not take the CIA report seriously because he didn't allow the military to fully prepare out of fear that he would agitate Putin. The northern bridge to Belarus was left wide open.

    They have since mined the area and a repeat attack from the north would be devastated. This is partly why Putin no longer plans on trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

    Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda – an attempt to change the narrative or at least to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Would you rather it come from the NYPOST who was vilified by the MSM for not conforming?
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-struck-by-aide-as-war-began/

    Disregarding the source and not reading the article puts you in the same camp as liberals that rejected the Hunter Biden laptop story. You're locking yourself into a bubble.


    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.

     

    Did he? He certainly hasn’t acted like that – the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc…And what empire?

    Why did he send a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks at Kiev? What was the plan? Was that a parade for kids?

    He planned on taking Ukraine by force and adding it to the Russian empire. Or are you going to claim that all three sets of leaked plans for a takeover are false? Including plans that detailed a Russuofication of Ukraine? All just made up? Do explain the 40 mile column in this context.

    Finland simply doesn’t matter – a more sober Estonia. Who cares?

    So you maintain the war was about NATO expanding too closely to Russia and it doesn't matter if Finland joins? You do realize that they border Russia?

    It's all about NATO but it doesn't matter if Putin pushed Finland into joining? That makes zero sense.


    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    That was never one of his original reasons. There was never consistent list of reasons and you and the other Putin bootlickers were never on your knees for that false pretense. Putin could tell us that he is protecting Ukraine from space aliens and you would tell us that it is valid and you can't disprove the existence of UFOs.

    Just stop already. Wiser Putin defenders have moved on.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders.

    Is it that simple? Early in the war it was Putin that declared LPR/DRP to be independent countries. After failing to take Kiev he took them as vanilla territory. If pleasing Putin is that simple then why did he break his word on LPR/DPR? I can even dig up the document that he signed. They are not independent Republics as he promised. Their flags were thrown in the garbage and the militias were marched off to the front. There are intercepts where Russian soldiers refer to the militias as worthless cannon fodder.

    Moldova never had plans to join NATO and they were scheduled for invasion. Let me guess, another false report? Putin the poisoner would never do such things? You can trust a man that has his own allies pushed of windows?

    Full list of Russians that have fallen out of windows since the start of the Ukraine war
    https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-putin-ukraine-war-1781790

    There is negative evidence that Putin will act in principle to those that serve him and it is irrational to believe that he would act in principle towards Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Georgia. In fact he already took a slice of Georgia under the pretense of "protecting Russians" when he could have simply given them passports. Where is Lukashenko? Putin's best pal was mysteriously ill at the one-tank parade and no one has seen him. Better prepare yourself a potential new round of "that report must be false" statements. Next week you could be telling us that his death must be an accident and the basis is that it was reported in AP. It must be false because of the source. That is exactly how liberals think about information outside the MSM. Oh but you're different......right.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

  621. @Sean
    @Wokechoke


    The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn’t part of Moscow’s calculus
     
    Only America really matters for military hardware in quantities that can turn battles . Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative bribe position in the Ukrainian energy sector.. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin's troll farm, and been soft on Russia over Ukraine by denying Zelensky arms was pervasive and in fact was the grounds for his first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was "a killer", and Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    I think Putin had to convince his minions and acted much more confident about a coup de main's prospects of success in the full on invasion because he was out of ways to deal with Ukraine short of war; that being the case he had to use force and what was essential was to get Russia into it instantly and draw on whatever resources were necessary later, yet Putin is now acting like he has all the time in the world. Sullivan has said the US objective is a Ukraine independent of Russia and 'a weakened and isolated Russia'. Ukraine has been denied so much that America has plenty of leeway to keep Ukraine in the fight, such as ATACMS, F16s jamming the Russia's GPS system and true real time intel . Hence Ukraine cannot be knocked out of the conflict because the worse things look for it the the more goodies it will be given. The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.


    If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    Because its vital interests are not at stake, China lacks escalatory dominance in relation to Ukraine, Taiwan is a very different thing and I have no doubt the Chinese are not bluffing about invading if Taiwan declares itself independent, but why would they do that? Unlike Ukraine before the invasion Taiwan has no lost territories it might be able to regain by inveigling America into assisting it with a shooting war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    The world is a sphere. The landings in Sicily shut down Kursk. The battles in North Africa turned off the Spigot in the Caucasus. The slightest pressure from China will tip over all the calculations now.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    I don't think the war in Ukraine is seen by the Chinese leadership as in China's interests. China wants to remain neutral, it has investments from the West and the Chinese market accounts for a a substantial proportion of Western multinationals' profits.

    China is trying to avoid rocking the boat because it does well in the kind of liberal economic order that goes with peace. If Russia and America got into a full thermonuclear exchange, America would hit (neutral) China too, just to stop them dominating the world in the aftermath.

  622. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down
     
    That is simply not true. Russia has asked for Ukie neutrality and it was told again and again to take a hike. Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda - an attempt to change the narrative or at leat to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.
     
    Did he? He certainly hasn't acted like that - the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc...And what empire? You seem to be saying that Russia itself is an empire - ipso facto, wouldn't you want to break it up? And we come full circle.

    Finland simply doesn't matter - a more sober Estonia. Who cares? Finland will lose some business and Russia will put some troops on its border. But Finns are normal, Ukies are not.

    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    It is also a realty that by starting the war (and taking 20% of Ukraine) Russia has stopped any possible Nato expansion to Ukraine. Kiev knows it too. Russia won that one for now.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders. And Crimea stays in Russia. That's the way it will end - a de facto Russian victory. So why kill thousands of Ukies in the meantime?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    God Save the Finns from banging their noggins on Karelian pine again.

  623. @songbird
    Is it true that Modi's party vetoed Charles from wearing the Mountain of Light at his coronation, and are demanding all the treasures back despite the British Isles now being governed by three Indians?

    And if anyone is to have it, shouldn't it be given back to the Sikhs? The people Flashman got it from?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    lol…skillful cowardly a true Englishman. Flashman VC.

  624. @songbird
    @S

    There is undoubtedly a great utility in segregation. Best case scenario would be to merely send the people who claim they want diversity to special areas designated for that purpose, where they would have to have skin in the game.

    Short of that, having your own institutions seems like it would be a big improvement. Though, I am skeptical to what extent such things would even be allowed to exist.

    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.

    Replies: @S

    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.

    You’re much more sanguine about the current situation than I am, though I’d much rather you be right than me. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    On a whim, I recently flipped through an elementary school level bio of JFK that was published shortly after his death.

    There were maybe two instances of wokeness altogether, if you don't count the Peace Corps. One was how he met with Irish, Italians, Chinese, and Syrians in his district (since abolished) when running for Congress, and ate their different foods or drank their different drinks. Another was the Civil Rights regime made possible by the Supreme Court and Congress.

    But other than that, the tone of the book seemed extremely alien. There were many illustrations, but zero diversity unless you count one probable Italian (based on name.). It had a strong masculine edge to it, talking about the brothers roughhousing and different sports and feats. It spoke about how his two grandfathers were involved in politics, which seemed to indicate a rootedness that one could expect in the future. It also seemed very naive about his character.

    Hard to imagine a similar book being written today about Biden or Trump.

    Anyway, I got the sense, as I often do that nobody understood where things were going and that there might be some natural lifespan at least to elements of it. It really isn't that old, for the most part. But I think it will last for decades yet.

    Replies: @S

  625. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    You're the only one here who has "diagnosed" me with some sort of mental illness (do tell, what exact malady I've acquired?). The only "illness" that I can see is perhaps rarely agreeing with you on topics related to the Russia/Ukraine war (SMO for stooges like you). When you're unable to deal with contrary views from your own, you chose to ignore the individual, and if that doesn't work, you like to label your opponent as being "mentally ill". I would say more, but I'm off to church and don't want to totally ruin my day by thinking about bad apples like you. :-(

    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren't you in church right now?

    Replies: @songbird

    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren’t you in church right now?

    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.

    (Sorry A123, but I do enjoy making these sort of jokes)

    • LOL: sudden death, A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.
     
    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at "Beer & Bible" did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn0.wideopeneats.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/beer-brands-full-size.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Matra, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

  626. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    BTW, you like to brag about your authentic Christian worship, so why aren’t you in church right now?
     
    Thought that A123's religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.

    (Sorry A123, but I do enjoy making these sort of jokes)

    Replies: @A123

    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.

    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at “Beer & Bible” did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    It is more of an opening prayer
     
    Reminds me of a joke:
    - Do you pray before meals?
    - We are French, we know how to cook.
    , @Matra
    @A123

    I didn't know Lagunitas was now Heineken. It would explain why I saw it a few times in the Netherlands.

    Even before its recent politics InBev/Interbrew or whatever it was called has been a dubious company for some time. They tried to get Hoegaarden brewer Pierre Celis to change the recipe for the historic beer, which led to him starting the Celis brewery in Austin, Texas. Apparently a lot of beer enthusiasts in Belgium go out of their way not to drink any of the company's beers for a variety of reasons.

    Replies: @A123

    , @songbird
    @A123

    Went to the nearest Red Hook brewery a few years ago. I regret to say that it was an extremely boring experience, for the most part. The tour guide was stumped, when I asked him what the tanks in the parking lot were used for. They closed it down soon afterward.

    Don't know if it is because Germans are more serious about beer or what, but when I visited a certain brewery over there, I thought that it was much more interesting. Saw their computer room. Them recycling glass bottles (which grossed me out, as an American). They spoke a lot about industrial water usage.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched.
     
    Said by somebody that has tried to cast aspersion on the OCU. What a strange form of egotistical Christianity our kremlin stooge must practice. The gospels have this to say about the Church:

    Ephesians 5:29-30
    for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body.
     
    The gospels are ladened with information about the Church and Christ's role as the bridgroom to his church, where does one begin? Yet super-Christian kremlinstoogeA123 has been "de-churched". Like so much that he tries to pass off as wisdom, once examined, it's all just nonsense. :-(
  627. @Sean
    @Wokechoke


    The close involvement of the UK in supplying so much along with a more belligerent Germany wasn’t part of Moscow’s calculus
     
    Only America really matters for military hardware in quantities that can turn battles . Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative bribe position in the Ukrainian energy sector.. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin's troll farm, and been soft on Russia over Ukraine by denying Zelensky arms was pervasive and in fact was the grounds for his first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was "a killer", and Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    I think Putin had to convince his minions and acted much more confident about a coup de main's prospects of success in the full on invasion because he was out of ways to deal with Ukraine short of war; that being the case he had to use force and what was essential was to get Russia into it instantly and draw on whatever resources were necessary later, yet Putin is now acting like he has all the time in the world. Sullivan has said the US objective is a Ukraine independent of Russia and 'a weakened and isolated Russia'. Ukraine has been denied so much that America has plenty of leeway to keep Ukraine in the fight, such as ATACMS, F16s jamming the Russia's GPS system and true real time intel . Hence Ukraine cannot be knocked out of the conflict because the worse things look for it the the more goodies it will be given. The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.


    If you really think a nuke is on the cards, Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    Because its vital interests are not at stake, China lacks escalatory dominance in relation to Ukraine, Taiwan is a very different thing and I have no doubt the Chinese are not bluffing about invading if Taiwan declares itself independent, but why would they do that? Unlike Ukraine before the invasion Taiwan has no lost territories it might be able to regain by inveigling America into assisting it with a shooting war.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.

    Putin doing any nuclear things in UA also means invasion force will be tactically nuked at Taiwan beaches, therefore CCP’ied China is against it and has atm all the needed leverage in current situation regarding influence on Putin’s behaviour.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @sudden death

    Ukraine will not be defended against Russia with American nuclear weapons because Russia has ICBMs, Taiwan will not be defended against China with America nuclear weapons because China has ICBMs. Since 2000, China's position has been that American use of nuclear weapons to defend Taiwan would be met with retaliation in kind against the continental United States. Because China has said it will invade Taiwan if it deciares independence, if Taiwan does not want to be invaded it will not declare itself to be independent.


    As in all cases where both antagonist posses nuclear weapons they are a deterrent to nuclear attack, but not conventional attack. In my opinion if it came to it, China would put the US on the horns of a dilemma over Taiwan by simultaneously using North Korea to threaten South Korea, with a build up on the SK border by Kim and possibly even a conventional invasion.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  628. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    guessing he’s so mixed that he doesn’t have a real ethnicity
     
    He's more of local ingredients of his city. Bashkir "businessman" father with early death. Mother is the Jewish flowerqueen of Ufa. The wife Dilara is Tatar. It's kind of local stereotypes you would use to write a television series about Ufa.

    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians. It's also low for young people, which are mostly Russians nowadays, with roots from Gypsies, Udmurts, Mordvins, Ukrainians, Jews etc.

    But nationalism can be a bit mainstream for a few of the nationalities with their republics like Tatars (mainly in Tatarstan), Bashkirs (only in Bashkortostan), Chechens (only in Chechen Republic), also Armenians, Azerbaijanis etc.

    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It's not something related to specific nationality.

    I think the future historians will view him as one of the signs of his generation, especially he was the most popular celebrity of the last 1-2 years of the 1991-2022 epoch. When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    "The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk." It's now the new epoch 2022 - which we don't understand yet.


    money theme is so overdone in his videos, it’s good to have that context – it must be a childhood trauma
     
    This is the description of the system. They are describing the deeper reality. The problem is just he has a bit of satire tone. But it is the elite's values, methodology and reason for existence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYi4a2eZL50. It's like Mexicans that were born after the cartels' wars, reflecting the values of the cartels' wars.

    Shaman (Yaroslav).
     
    Basta is one of the most important celebrities, with real fans, famous career, organic popularity, decades of career, control of the music industry, always on the television. The political loyalty can be a bit depressing, because you can imagine an alternative Basta who was more sceptical.

    "Shaman" seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these. I never saw him before, like everyone. Probably they have some search engine optimizers to boost his video, so I would be sceptical he has received real views.


    apolitical. So which ones do you personally like? (Frankly, I didn’t realize you were into all this popsa,

     

    I used to enjoy a lot of Russian television and even after I was not there many years past, I still used to have television playing on the computer in the background. I stopped the bad habit around 2018. But I have a lot of the acculturation from television.

    In terms of rap, I would only listen to American rap. I'm happy to say I never listened to Russian rap, even the "serious". But in terms of the society, the nonserious rap is the music which describes the postsoviet system.

    It's the most popular music. Rappers are also some of the most central in the court. You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family's parties?


    ones do you personally like?

     

    E.g. I would prefer to listen to dogs singing, than the "musical talent" and "rap skills" of Max Korzh.

    But in terms of the culture vision, he was one of the important people of our culture of the last ten years and he showed the alternative possibility for the region. At least, he was working more for diplomacy, than all the ambassadors. He seems in Latvia at the moment btw.


    Where? I didn’t notice.

     

    It's Ukrainian, the location tag for the city. https://www.instagram.com/p/Co5EK2ZBHDX. It's not natural to add the location as Ukrainian language. Instagram autocompletes the location in Russian.

    He had to manually change the language for the location tag to Ukrainian. Ksenia Sobchak likes most of his posts, but she avoids this.


    wish Don Don would just go away and stop harassing people. Thankfully,
     
    Morgenshtern still also continues the conflict with Kadyrov, just indirectly and politely.

    He's not Boris Nemtsov. But he is still doing mockery of Kadyrov. There is Hasbulla again, the court dwarf of Kadyrov. On the t-shirt. https://www.instagram.com/p/CqS4YkHr0TZ.

    Replies: @LatW

    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians.

    It depends on how you define it, ethno nationalism is scarce, but civic or imperial nationalism is not scarce (if one can even use the word “civic nationalism” in the case of this country).

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    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It’s not something related to specific nationality.

    Oh, absolutely, I never said any of it is related to his nationality. I still think he has a more cosmopolitan outlook than a typical Russian. But he is liked because he is uninhibited.

    When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    “The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk.” It’s now the new epoch 2022 – which we don’t understand yet.

    Good description. But it’s funny because they technically threw out the most popular one who was also “not good for the kids”. And, yes, we don’t know what will happen – it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian, but there is a slight chance that Russia will be free. Or there may even be something in between.

    “Shaman” seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these.

    That the young celebs avoided it, is an important piece of info. I also saw some youngish rapper fighting it out with Norkin not too long ago. It was a good display of defiance.

    Yes, Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it’s funny how the Russian public, with only a few exceptions, is ok with him showing up looking like Hitler Jugend with a tricolor armband. But he is talented, with a good stage presence. But as I said, he is more likely to appeal to an older audience. He is “proper”.

    You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family’s parties?

    Dima, please, spare me! 🙂 This Zhigan test doesn’t match my demographic profile, so it’s a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial music mostly (so ask me about folk metal and I will pass all the tests!). All I know about those two Chechen little people is that one of them was a real chad – the one against Kadyrov, if I recall correctly. But who does that, who puts little people in MMA fights, that’s brutal!

    As to the Putin question… hmmmm, my answer is that there is only one actually. I don’t really believe in the whole doubles theory.

    He [Max Korzh] seems in Latvia at the moment btw.

    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    ow you define it, ethno nationalism is scarc
     
    It's because these republics have ambiguous ideological position to promote kind of "Moscow compatible nationalism", including for the local elites. This is like the situation in Ukraine before 1991.

    At the same time, there can be a real nationalism from fear, for especially Tatars are swallowed by the Russian nationality, so in a couple generations there won't be many people with the Tatar identity, but millions of Russians with a great-grandparent with a Tatar name.


    it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian,
     
    I don't have any predictive ability, but I feel it is becoming more reclusive, like going the same as Belarus. It doesn't feel like there will be some instability. But again, I am always very bad in predicting politics.

    So, if you accept I am bad in predictions, 2022 seemed like a stress test and the government received a high score.


    Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it’s funny how the Russian public
     
    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it's easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.

    Zhigan test doesn’t match my demographic profile, so it’s a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial

     

    Lol, it's ok, this is the question for real nerds.

    Putin was giving the award to Zhigan, before he goes to prison.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4g_xAzqHw

    And of course Dzhigan is always with Peskov's family, like they Peskov's family are his own family.

    Dzhigan should be in the Ukrainian army at now, he's from Odessa within conscription age. At least those peaceful years Kadyrov was scaring him enough with threats about MMA in Grozny, he was losing weight in the gym https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ0qfkAoXCj.


    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.
     
    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

    This is why I was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

  629. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down
     
    That is simply not true. Russia has asked for Ukie neutrality and it was told again and again to take a hike. Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda - an attempt to change the narrative or at leat to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.
     
    Did he? He certainly hasn't acted like that - the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc...And what empire? You seem to be saying that Russia itself is an empire - ipso facto, wouldn't you want to break it up? And we come full circle.

    Finland simply doesn't matter - a more sober Estonia. Who cares? Finland will lose some business and Russia will put some troops on its border. But Finns are normal, Ukies are not.

    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    It is also a realty that by starting the war (and taking 20% of Ukraine) Russia has stopped any possible Nato expansion to Ukraine. Kiev knows it too. Russia won that one for now.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders. And Crimea stays in Russia. That's the way it will end - a de facto Russian victory. So why kill thousands of Ukies in the meantime?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson

    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down.

    That is simply not true.

    You believe it is not true. Maybe you doubt the veracity of the report but you can’t be certain that it is false.

    We do know for certain that Zelensky tried to negotiate with Putin and Russia cut diplomatic ties. We also know that Putin put a hit out on Zelensky. It was in fact a huge mistake of Zelensky to not take the CIA report seriously because he didn’t allow the military to fully prepare out of fear that he would agitate Putin. The northern bridge to Belarus was left wide open.

    They have since mined the area and a repeat attack from the north would be devastated. This is partly why Putin no longer plans on trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

    Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda – an attempt to change the narrative or at least to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Would you rather it come from the NYPOST who was vilified by the MSM for not conforming?
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-struck-by-aide-as-war-began/

    Disregarding the source and not reading the article puts you in the same camp as liberals that rejected the Hunter Biden laptop story. You’re locking yourself into a bubble.

    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.

    Did he? He certainly hasn’t acted like that – the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc…And what empire?

    Why did he send a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks at Kiev? What was the plan? Was that a parade for kids?

    He planned on taking Ukraine by force and adding it to the Russian empire. Or are you going to claim that all three sets of leaked plans for a takeover are false? Including plans that detailed a Russuofication of Ukraine? All just made up? Do explain the 40 mile column in this context.

    Finland simply doesn’t matter – a more sober Estonia. Who cares?

    So you maintain the war was about NATO expanding too closely to Russia and it doesn’t matter if Finland joins? You do realize that they border Russia?

    It’s all about NATO but it doesn’t matter if Putin pushed Finland into joining? That makes zero sense.

    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.

    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    That was never one of his original reasons. There was never consistent list of reasons and you and the other Putin bootlickers were never on your knees for that false pretense. Putin could tell us that he is protecting Ukraine from space aliens and you would tell us that it is valid and you can’t disprove the existence of UFOs.

    Just stop already. Wiser Putin defenders have moved on.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders.

    Is it that simple? Early in the war it was Putin that declared LPR/DRP to be independent countries. After failing to take Kiev he took them as vanilla territory. If pleasing Putin is that simple then why did he break his word on LPR/DPR? I can even dig up the document that he signed. They are not independent Republics as he promised. Their flags were thrown in the garbage and the militias were marched off to the front. There are intercepts where Russian soldiers refer to the militias as worthless cannon fodder.

    Moldova never had plans to join NATO and they were scheduled for invasion. Let me guess, another false report? Putin the poisoner would never do such things? You can trust a man that has his own allies pushed of windows?

    Full list of Russians that have fallen out of windows since the start of the Ukraine war
    https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-putin-ukraine-war-1781790

    There is negative evidence that Putin will act in principle to those that serve him and it is irrational to believe that he would act in principle towards Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Georgia. In fact he already took a slice of Georgia under the pretense of “protecting Russians” when he could have simply given them passports. Where is Lukashenko? Putin’s best pal was mysteriously ill at the one-tank parade and no one has seen him. Better prepare yourself a potential new round of “that report must be false” statements. Next week you could be telling us that his death must be an accident and the basis is that it was reported in AP. It must be false because of the source. That is exactly how liberals think about information outside the MSM. Oh but you’re different……right.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You should understand that with your breathless regurgitation of all Western conspiracy stories about Russia you lose all credibility. It would be like someone when mentioning Tony Blair always adding that he 'killed Robin Cook'. You can't be that gullible so you are clearly just trying to manipulate.

    Reuters publishes British gment propaganda when it deals with foreign affairs, esp. with regard to Russia. Period. If you take what they write as a 'story' you are simply an idiot and there is no point in you trying your hand at Unz. Don't embarrass yourself more by childishly defending it as a 'source'. Yes, Reuters is a source of a lot of nonsense and propaganda about Russia.

    All your other geopolitical points are so one-sided and a repetition of the same old tired narratives about Belarus and Moldova - the actual reality is a lot more complicated. But you persist and make a fool out of yourself. For god's sake come up with some new material, poison in underwear and 'one-tank' are too hackneyed and over-used - and obviously untrue - that one wonders about your two-digit IQ...

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member. Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  630. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ...Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    They have already intervened by sticking with Russia. The most likely behind the scene deal between Russia and China is that they will assist each other. It is not in China's or Russia's strategic interest to see Washington prevail. That reality closes the strategic box. It is remotely possible that one or the other would betray, but very unlikely. It is even less likely that Washington would win simultaneously fighting both Russia and China.

    This is the ultimate neo-con fool's errand, one in a line of many missteps. This one is catastrophic and will likely be their last one. But the poor dead Ukies will not be around to see the end of this madness. Grief and sorrow, indeed...that's what happens when one sells himself for shiny promises.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Greasy William

    Excellent little Finnish film UnknownSoldier shows the problem of a smaller state making legal claims against the Big Neighbour to the East.

    Excellent human material wasted over a mosquito infested swamp.

  631. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Silesia was Polish in the Middle Ages.
     
    Sure it was, hundreds of years ago. And also Czech, Habsburg and a part of the German Empire. It was not in any sense "Polish", the population was German with few local 'Silesians' in the very east. There was simply no Polish claim - it was a gift to Poland by Russia. Without Russian sacrificing half a million soldiers this was not even a possibility. Russia was trying to be friendly and it backfired - as it always does when Russia tries to be nice. The hatreds of the beneficiaries are not curable. I am nor sure Russia will ever learn that lesson.

    Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary
     
    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934 - they were the first Nazi ally, even before Italy. But it couldn't work: the map was unforgiving and the point of German Nazism was 'lebensraum' - living space for Germans: Poland was directly in the way - Hungary wasn't and they are not Slavs so they got some breaks. It simply was not possible - it would go directly against the core Nazi belief.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.
     
    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed and the Polish Jews were the first ones targeted. The only Polish Jews who were saved were around 1 million who were evacuated by Russians after M-R to the east. Without M-R treaty they would be murdered too. The choices at that time were all bad, but you like to focus only on one side's choices.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies. If Horthy remains loyal to Hitler up to the very end, chances are that many more Hungarian Jews–possibly even the overwhelming majority of them–would have ended up surviving the Holocaust. The Jews of both Bulgaria and the Old Kingdom of Romania were more fortunate than the Jews of Greater Hungary because Bulgaria and Romania remained loyal to Hitler for a longer time period. AFAIK, Bulgaria never betrayed Hitler, and Romania only unexpectedly did so at the very last moment as a result of a coup, before Hitler was able to react to this.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies.

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Hitler wanted to kill them and Horthy didn't want to send them.

    Hitler knew he had lost the war at that point and wanted to kill as many Jews as possible. He said very early that even if Germany loses a second war the Jews will not survive.

    It was Hitler that chose to use his dwindling forces to capture Jews instead of trying to protect German women from what he knew would be mass rape and murder by the Red Army.

    This maniac obsession with Jews to where even White women are left to wolves is seen by posters here like Anglin. They claim to be pro-White and yet would clearly kill a million White women just to give a Jew like Soros a mild case of indigestion.

    They really aren't pro-White. They are nihilistic misanthropes and view Jews as the impediment of what they believe would be a natural world order of cruelty. Hitler pretended to tolerate Christianity while in private he stated that he only respected Islam for its violence.

    Most of these self-described White nationalists don't have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  632. @A123
    @songbird


    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.
     
    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at "Beer & Bible" did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn0.wideopeneats.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/beer-brands-full-size.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Matra, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    It is more of an opening prayer

    Reminds me of a joke:
    – Do you pray before meals?
    – We are French, we know how to cook.

  633. @AP
    @Beckow


    "Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary"

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934
     
    No, Poland rebuffed efforts at an alliance with Germany and only agreed to a nonaggression treaty in 1934 in which each side recognized the other's post-Versailles territory and promised not to attack the other.

    Furthermore, at the time that this pat was signed with Hitler, Poland also sent its foreign minister to the USSR to confirm a nonaggression pact with the USSR also. So it was clearly not an anti-Soviet pact. Just an agreement to recognize borders and not attack one another. You are lying again.

    You are repeating fairy tales told by Soviets to ignorant people who believe them.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    "After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. "

    Hitler was so eager for an alliance with Poland that after Pilsudski's death he came to Warsaw for the funeral. But no alliance was signed, by the stubborn Poles.

    In their place, the Slovaks would have signed an alliance. Indeed they did so. But Poles were not Slovaks.

    By refusing to join Hitler in his anti-Soviet crusade (which with Polish participation would have meant the end of the USSR and annihilation of the Soviet people), the Poles lost millions of people. Probably no nation is as lacking of gratitude towards anyone, as Russians are towards Poles, whose stubborn refusal to join the Nazis in an anti-Soviet crusade (at great price to themselves) enabled the Russians to continue to exist.

    In contrast to the limited Polish-German nonaggression pact, several pacts signed between the Soviets and Nazis indicated an actual alliance.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact involved an agreement to divide Europe between themselves.

    The German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) and German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) resulted in the Soviets supplying the German war machine with raw materials and oil that were used in Germany's war against the West.

    From wiki: During both the first period of the 1940 agreement (11 February 1940 to 1941) and the second (11 February 1941 until the Pact was broken), Germany received massive quantities of raw materials, including over:[4]: 47 [5]: 

    1,500,000 metric tons (1,700,000 short tons; 1,500,000 long tons) of grains
    820,000 metric tons (900,000 short tons; 810,000 long tons) of oil
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of cotton
    130,000 metric tons (140,000 short tons; 130,000 long tons) of manganese
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of phosphates
    18,000 metric tons (20,000 short tons; 18,000 long tons) of chrome ore
    16,000 metric tons (18,000 short tons; 16,000 long tons) of rubber
    91,000 metric tons (100,000 short tons; 90,000 long tons) of soybeans
    450,000 metric tons (500,000 short tons; 440,000 long tons) of iron ores
    270,000 metric tons (300,000 short tons; 270,000 long tons) of scrap metal and pig iron
    200,000 kilograms (440,000 lb) of platinum

    Large amounts of crude oil were delivered, with German documents in 1940 already indicating that the Soviets had delivered crude oil at a rate of 140,000 metric tons (150,000 short tons; 140,000 long tons) a month for five months in 900 German tank cars exclusively reserved for it.

    :::::::::::::::

    That is the difference between an alliance and a mere non-aggression pact.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed
     
    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    Yep, and arguably considering that Hungary was a military pipsqueak, the best course of action for Hungary would have probably been to remain loyal to Hitler up to the very end, without any attempts at backstabbing. Maybe this is what Hungary would have done had it knew that the Allies would not allow it to keep any of its post-1937 territorial gains. Or maybe not, if Horthy would have still wanted to save his own skin. But even waiting until October 1944 (when Auschwitz was already permanently shut down for good) to make any peace feelers towards the Allies would have still likely been a significant improvement for the Hungarian Jews. The Hungarian Arrow Cross was thankfully unable to murder most of Budapest’s Jews because they ran out of time, after all.

  634. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies. If Horthy remains loyal to Hitler up to the very end, chances are that many more Hungarian Jews--possibly even the overwhelming majority of them--would have ended up surviving the Holocaust. The Jews of both Bulgaria and the Old Kingdom of Romania were more fortunate than the Jews of Greater Hungary because Bulgaria and Romania remained loyal to Hitler for a longer time period. AFAIK, Bulgaria never betrayed Hitler, and Romania only unexpectedly did so at the very last moment as a result of a coup, before Hitler was able to react to this.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies.

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Hitler wanted to kill them and Horthy didn’t want to send them.

    Hitler knew he had lost the war at that point and wanted to kill as many Jews as possible. He said very early that even if Germany loses a second war the Jews will not survive.

    It was Hitler that chose to use his dwindling forces to capture Jews instead of trying to protect German women from what he knew would be mass rape and murder by the Red Army.

    This maniac obsession with Jews to where even White women are left to wolves is seen by posters here like Anglin. They claim to be pro-White and yet would clearly kill a million White women just to give a Jew like Soros a mild case of indigestion.

    They really aren’t pro-White. They are nihilistic misanthropes and view Jews as the impediment of what they believe would be a natural world order of cruelty. Hitler pretended to tolerate Christianity while in private he stated that he only respected Islam for its violence.

    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don't care about preserving even basic things. We're in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @S

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Worth noting that Hitler didn't kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was. (King Michael's Coup came very unexpectedly and months after Hungary tried to switch sides, and its sheer unexpectedness prevented the Nazis from effectively reacting to it by occupying Romania like they previously did with Hungary.)

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them. In real life, he was only able to save a majority of the Jews of Budapest, and even then in large part because the Nazis and the Arrow Cross simply (and extremely fortunately!) ran out of time to murder all of them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  635. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    He does care about his self-preservation...Putin is somehow fatalistic...
     
    I don't mind occasional musings about leaders' personalities, but they are meaningless. Maybe you don't do it, but 'personalizing' countries is not helpful - identifying US with Biden's dementia or Ukraine with Zelko's clownishness is also avoiding reality. The war is for all marbles and the current leaders are only playing their roles.

    there will be no “victory” here, just grief and sorrow
     
    We agree on that, it is a catastrophe. The reasons will be emotionally manipulated for a long time, but eventually - if we are still around - people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies' idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa...), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    Is the map static?
     
    It has been stable. But who is in a stronger position as time passes? The offensive is not how you win these wars - it is costly in human lives and easily reversible. Kiev can destroy the Crimea bridge and surge forward, but what would keep Russians from annihilating Lviv or parts of Kiev? Is the dream of Crimea reconquest worth it?

    The problem for Kiev is that the only deal that would solve almost all problems doesn't satisfy the neo-cons goals: Nato in Ukraine, Russians expelled (or killed) and Crimea under Nato control. Some morons even have bigger dreams. Kiev is supervised by the neo-cons and the grief will continue, more Ukies will die, Ukraine will be destroyed, more hysterical propaganda.

    Russia has been fighting moderately - not like the Nato wars with shock-and-awe and hundreds of thousands killed civilians. They can do a lot more damage. It is possible that Kremlin is letting the frustration accumulate so they can go ape-shit. Countries often do that, US did it many times. The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing 'fellow Ukrainians'. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless 'kill them all, they are traitors or fools' sentiment. There are simply no good outcomes left for the Ukies. They should had agreed to the Minsk deal.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123, @LatW

    Zelko’s clownishness

    Zelko was just awarded the Charlemagne prize for fostering European unity. They’re in.

    but eventually – if we are still around – people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies’ idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa…), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.

    So you are now a self-pronounced Vanga who knows what people will admit in the future? Look, you can continue throwing everything in a one sided pile, but it will not help you appear more objective. I won’t be putting in the work to persuade you, it’s really your own business. I don’t want to dig in these past events, but the fact that you don’t see the nuance in events such as Odessa – that says everything (you might want to investigate the role of the police chief there – deliberate neglect with the most likely aim to foster separatism which led to a tragedy in his own city). If you are unwilling to see nuance, then I can’t help you.

    [MORE]

    It has been stable.

    This is not fully accurate. It has looked stable for many months, if you just look at the positions of the troops. But it is not at all stable if you look at what goes on in the rear – there have been explosions in fuel depots and other objects of similar importance now for weeks if not longer. The bavovna season is very much on, including on the RusFed territory (!!).

    The offensive is not how you win these wars – it is costly in human lives and easily reversible.

    The Ukrainian side are fully aware that it will be costly, this is why they are not in a rush. They are holding off to receive all possible equipment that can be used to protect the troops.

    Russia has been fighting moderately

    Are you sure about that? The civilian casualties are very high. Inexcusably so. Also, if you look at the arsenal employed, it is not insignificant.

    They can do a lot more damage.

    They can do a lot of damage, no doubt. They are killing civilians with Shaheds as we speak. And they have the Kinzhal (I will hold off commenting whether one of these was taken out by the Patriot the other, since it’s hard to tell if it’s true). This is a huge crime that will not be forgiven for a very long time. They already have done tremendous damage. But can they achieve their initial political goals? Why do the goals keep changing all the time (they are totally obscure now)? And can they defend their positions (now that they have assumed a defensive posture)? Distance from Bryansk to Moscow is 400kms. What does this area look like? Did the kremlins ever think about it? Or was “demilitarization” and “denazification” of other countries more of a priority?

    We are very lucky that they are what they are.

    The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing ‘fellow Ukrainians’. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless ‘kill them all, they are traitors or fools‘ sentiment

    This is simply not true. Many of them have hated Ukrainians and others very ardently, from the get go. They were never shy about letting it known. There have been open calls on Russian TV to drown Ukrainian children. Where else on the planet is this possible or even accepted? It is a huge shame.

    This needs to stop, as it’s been going on for too long now. They either stop and contain themselves, or there will need to be a wall. Probably needs to be one either way after all of this.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    There’s no appreciable difference between Zelenskyy and these Dragqueen conventions.

    https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1657732806213083137?s=20

    And you know it.

  636. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies.

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Hitler wanted to kill them and Horthy didn't want to send them.

    Hitler knew he had lost the war at that point and wanted to kill as many Jews as possible. He said very early that even if Germany loses a second war the Jews will not survive.

    It was Hitler that chose to use his dwindling forces to capture Jews instead of trying to protect German women from what he knew would be mass rape and murder by the Red Army.

    This maniac obsession with Jews to where even White women are left to wolves is seen by posters here like Anglin. They claim to be pro-White and yet would clearly kill a million White women just to give a Jew like Soros a mild case of indigestion.

    They really aren't pro-White. They are nihilistic misanthropes and view Jews as the impediment of what they believe would be a natural world order of cruelty. Hitler pretended to tolerate Christianity while in private he stated that he only respected Islam for its violence.

    Most of these self-described White nationalists don't have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    At least liberal Democracy won both ww2 and the Cold War.

    https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1657732806213083137?s=20

    Stop being a fag hag.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society. It's like the annoying kid that draws swastikas on his notebook just to freak out the teachers. He really just hates everyone and that includes most White people.

    Anglin has cheered the war from the beginning, told us that he hates White women, and temporarily sided with a crazy Black rapper just because he mumbled a few sentences about the Jews (and later repented after watching 21 jump street).

    I get called a Jew for being against the war in a forum and yet Anglin is practically a mascot for any left-wing journalist. He is a dancing monkey in a suit for them. They can point at his antics and write up an entire article. Him, the glory hole "but I'm conservative" fag and Fuentes might as well start a sitcom called 3 White nationalists. Anglin could rail against White women while taking a blowjob from the fag. Then he can rant about how the Jews promote degrading standards while doing coke with a rapper. They can end the show with a heil hitler while the audience erupts in laughter.

    For the record I'm not a White nationalist but I agree that the current situation is a total mess.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Worth noting that Latvians (the Red Latvian Riflemen) were arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that's assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew. The Latvian blame for Bolshevism is spread around more people, though. Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @S
    @LatW



    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.
     
    Mercury upthread had a good response to the Anglin types, ie their complete denunciation and shunning, and the display of heartfelt goodwill towards others.

    Regarding the dysfunctional/co-dependent relationship which has long existed between many Euro peoples and the Jewish people, a poisonous and destructive relationship which is ultimately bad for all parties concerned, pretending the 'other' in each instance doesn't exist, or, attempting to genocide the 'other' in some fashion clearly isn't the moral answer. Amicable if at all possible separation from each other in mutual respect is probably best.

    There are of course those (who at least claim) that race or ethnicity doesn't in reality exist at all, that it's all just a phantasm.

    As the world is a big place, a place just for them with amply documented abundant resources and space should be allowed for. There they can virtue signal to each other as much as they like, 'mix' with abandon to their heart's content, exploit Sub-Saharan Africans sexually as much as they want without interference from anyone, import as many wage slaves (ie so called 'cheap labor') from the rest of the world as they want to do the work that they both refuse to do themselves and pay a living wage for, etc, etc.

    Not that I would wish this upon them or anyone else for that matter (ie they should choose life affirming activities instead), but this path they have chosen for themselves of unbridled wantoness and greed would probably ultimately result in their complete and utter destruction.

    Allowing for amicable separation would be fair to all parties concerned. Unfortunately, instead of that life affirming path, the world as a whole (unless something forcibly intervenes) seems to be going down the totalitarian road of self destruction lastly described.

    Some excerpts below from a couple of very insightful and outstanding articles from Psychology Today on a personality trait known as 'wound collecting'.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors

    On Wound Collectors

    'They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized.'

    'For these folks, there is never a fix or a cure. Nothing is ever good enough and apologies mean nothing. For them, there is always yet another event they perceive as a slight or a grievance. For them, the world holds nothing but nastiness and it affects how they see the world and how they react to the world—suspiciously and with contempt. When irrationality, antagonism, and rigidity combine with unyielding overconfidence in their own sentiments and beliefs go unchecked or are not attenuated, these individuals become metastable—ready to ignite and explode.'
     

    What is the definition of a wound collector or wound collecting?

    'Wound collecting is the conscious and systematic collection and preservation of transgressions, violations, social wrongs, grievances, injustice, unfair treatment, or slights of self and others, for the purpose of nourishing, fortifying, or justifying a malignant ideology, furthering hatred, satisfying a pathology, or for exacting revenge.'

    What kinds of people meet these criteria?

    'Anyone who — because of a personality disorder, character traits (e.g., insecurities, paranoia, fear, xenophobia) or emotional instability — inflexibly seeks to collect wounds and slights for a purpose that usually has negative social consequences or is self-serving. This can be anyone from a spouse, to a terrorist, to a mass killer.'
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  637. @A123
    @songbird


    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.
     
    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at "Beer & Bible" did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     
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    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Matra, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    I didn’t know Lagunitas was now Heineken. It would explain why I saw it a few times in the Netherlands.

    Even before its recent politics InBev/Interbrew or whatever it was called has been a dubious company for some time. They tried to get Hoegaarden brewer Pierre Celis to change the recipe for the historic beer, which led to him starting the Celis brewery in Austin, Texas. Apparently a lot of beer enthusiasts in Belgium go out of their way not to drink any of the company’s beers for a variety of reasons.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Matra


    I didn’t know Lagunitas was now Heineken. It would explain why I saw it a few times in the Netherlands.
     
    Niche marketing is pure gold when you can define the niche.

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/07/35/fb/0735fbb2aeb1098b04928d5e1ae84f3d.jpg
     

    Filtered Wheat IPA. This should *not* work. Yet.... It does. Smooth silky IPA exists... And when made by these guys... It is really good.

    PEACE 😇
  638. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don't care about preserving even basic things. We're in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @S

    At least liberal Democracy won both ww2 and the Cold War.

    https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1657732806213083137?s=20

    Stop being a fag hag.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Oh, so being against a degenerate like Anglin is now a "fag hag"? You are even more disoriented than it seemed. We need to be on the lookout against all forms of degeneracy.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  639. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Zelko’s clownishness
     
    Zelko was just awarded the Charlemagne prize for fostering European unity. They're in.

    but eventually – if we are still around – people will admit that the Maidan madness, Nato unwise and hurried expansion, Ukies’ idiocy in the treatment of the Russian minority (Odessa…), and unwillingness to compromise (Minsk) will be seen as fatal errors.
     
    So you are now a self-pronounced Vanga who knows what people will admit in the future? Look, you can continue throwing everything in a one sided pile, but it will not help you appear more objective. I won't be putting in the work to persuade you, it's really your own business. I don't want to dig in these past events, but the fact that you don't see the nuance in events such as Odessa - that says everything (you might want to investigate the role of the police chief there - deliberate neglect with the most likely aim to foster separatism which led to a tragedy in his own city). If you are unwilling to see nuance, then I can't help you.


    It has been stable.
     
    This is not fully accurate. It has looked stable for many months, if you just look at the positions of the troops. But it is not at all stable if you look at what goes on in the rear - there have been explosions in fuel depots and other objects of similar importance now for weeks if not longer. The bavovna season is very much on, including on the RusFed territory (!!).

    The offensive is not how you win these wars – it is costly in human lives and easily reversible.
     
    The Ukrainian side are fully aware that it will be costly, this is why they are not in a rush. They are holding off to receive all possible equipment that can be used to protect the troops.

    Russia has been fighting moderately

     

    Are you sure about that? The civilian casualties are very high. Inexcusably so. Also, if you look at the arsenal employed, it is not insignificant.

    They can do a lot more damage.
     
    They can do a lot of damage, no doubt. They are killing civilians with Shaheds as we speak. And they have the Kinzhal (I will hold off commenting whether one of these was taken out by the Patriot the other, since it's hard to tell if it's true). This is a huge crime that will not be forgiven for a very long time. They already have done tremendous damage. But can they achieve their initial political goals? Why do the goals keep changing all the time (they are totally obscure now)? And can they defend their positions (now that they have assumed a defensive posture)? Distance from Bryansk to Moscow is 400kms. What does this area look like? Did the kremlins ever think about it? Or was "demilitarization" and "denazification" of other countries more of a priority?

    We are very lucky that they are what they are.

    The only real danger for Kremlin is domestic revulsion over killing ‘fellow Ukrainians’. That is slowly shifting to a ruthless ‘kill them all, they are traitors or fools‘ sentiment
     
    This is simply not true. Many of them have hated Ukrainians and others very ardently, from the get go. They were never shy about letting it known. There have been open calls on Russian TV to drown Ukrainian children. Where else on the planet is this possible or even accepted? It is a huge shame.

    This needs to stop, as it's been going on for too long now. They either stop and contain themselves, or there will need to be a wall. Probably needs to be one either way after all of this.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There’s no appreciable difference between Zelenskyy and these Dragqueen conventions.

    https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1657732806213083137?s=20

    And you know it.

  640. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    At least liberal Democracy won both ww2 and the Cold War.

    https://twitter.com/AshleaSimonBF/status/1657732806213083137?s=20

    Stop being a fag hag.

    Replies: @LatW

    Oh, so being against a degenerate like Anglin is now a “fag hag”? You are even more disoriented than it seemed. We need to be on the lookout against all forms of degeneracy.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    What is it that you oppose again? And what is it that you support? Liberal Democracy only has one outcome. DragQueenCon.

    Replies: @sudden death

  641. @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    Oh, so being against a degenerate like Anglin is now a "fag hag"? You are even more disoriented than it seemed. We need to be on the lookout against all forms of degeneracy.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    What is it that you oppose again? And what is it that you support? Liberal Democracy only has one outcome. DragQueenCon.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wokechoke

    https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Filipp-Kirkorov-mood-color-black-egor-kreed.jpg

    https://wiwibloggs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/philipp-kikorov-vladimir-putin-honour.jpg

  642. @A123
    @songbird


    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.
     
    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at "Beer & Bible" did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn0.wideopeneats.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/beer-brands-full-size.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Matra, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    Went to the nearest Red Hook brewery a few years ago. I regret to say that it was an extremely boring experience, for the most part. The tour guide was stumped, when I asked him what the tanks in the parking lot were used for. They closed it down soon afterward.

    Don’t know if it is because Germans are more serious about beer or what, but when I visited a certain brewery over there, I thought that it was much more interesting. Saw their computer room. Them recycling glass bottles (which grossed me out, as an American). They spoke a lot about industrial water usage.

  643. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    What is it that you oppose again? And what is it that you support? Liberal Democracy only has one outcome. DragQueenCon.

    Replies: @sudden death

  644. Sean says:
    @sudden death
    @Sean


    The one thing America will not do is get into a nuclear war to help Ukraine, and that is why Putin must go nuclear against Ukraine (eg nuclear mines and a series of gigantic craters on a successful Ukrainian advance and dare the West to carry out any conventional retaliation by saying Russia reserves the right to respond with antiaircraft thermonukes to a US conventional airstrike on the Black Sea Fleet ECT . Only in that way could Putin get Washington to close things down and get Ukraine to settle.
     
    Putin doing any nuclear things in UA also means invasion force will be tactically nuked at Taiwan beaches, therefore CCP'ied China is against it and has atm all the needed leverage in current situation regarding influence on Putin's behaviour.

    Replies: @Sean

    Ukraine will not be defended against Russia with American nuclear weapons because Russia has ICBMs, Taiwan will not be defended against China with America nuclear weapons because China has ICBMs. Since 2000, China’s position has been that American use of nuclear weapons to defend Taiwan would be met with retaliation in kind against the continental United States. Because China has said it will invade Taiwan if it deciares independence, if Taiwan does not want to be invaded it will not declare itself to be independent.

    As in all cases where both antagonist posses nuclear weapons they are a deterrent to nuclear attack, but not conventional attack. In my opinion if it came to it, China would put the US on the horns of a dilemma over Taiwan by simultaneously using North Korea to threaten South Korea, with a build up on the SK border by Kim and possibly even a conventional invasion.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sean


    As in all cases where both antagonist posses nuclear weapons they are a deterrent to nuclear attack, but not conventional attack.
     
    Back when the world was sane this was a fail safe deterrent to conventional attack. Sane people refer to this as the good old days.

    Now the world's richest puppet has a baby mama who stars in Satanic movies and music videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwHwLXQXayw&ab_channel=AHRIMAN%3ADeathBeforeDying
  645. @Sean
    @sudden death

    Ukraine will not be defended against Russia with American nuclear weapons because Russia has ICBMs, Taiwan will not be defended against China with America nuclear weapons because China has ICBMs. Since 2000, China's position has been that American use of nuclear weapons to defend Taiwan would be met with retaliation in kind against the continental United States. Because China has said it will invade Taiwan if it deciares independence, if Taiwan does not want to be invaded it will not declare itself to be independent.


    As in all cases where both antagonist posses nuclear weapons they are a deterrent to nuclear attack, but not conventional attack. In my opinion if it came to it, China would put the US on the horns of a dilemma over Taiwan by simultaneously using North Korea to threaten South Korea, with a build up on the SK border by Kim and possibly even a conventional invasion.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    As in all cases where both antagonist posses nuclear weapons they are a deterrent to nuclear attack, but not conventional attack.

    Back when the world was sane this was a fail safe deterrent to conventional attack. Sane people refer to this as the good old days.

    Now the world’s richest puppet has a baby mama who stars in Satanic movies and music videos.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwHwLXQXayw&ab_channel=AHRIMAN%3ADeathBeforeDying

  646. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    Whatever the reasons, but Lukashenko health problems seems to be real:

    It is noted that Lukashenka did not appear at the ceremony of honoring the state flag, coat of arms and anthem, which takes place on May 14 at the State Flag Square in Minsk.

    Instead, Lukashenka's speech was delivered by Prime Minister Roman Golovchenko.
     

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/14/7402117/

    imho, it may just as well may be banal longer term delayed consequences of having weakened natural immunity after Covid at his age too - Lukashenko publicly admitted of having infection and experiencing visible lung damage, noted on a scan by his doctor in 2020 autumn IIRC

    Ofc he downplayed it then and said he even didn't felt and knew anything at all and having learned it later during routine health check at the time, but not during actual infection, which was "asymptomatic".

    Replies: @LatW

    Ofc he downplayed it then and said he even didn’t felt and knew anything at all and having learned it later during routine health check at the time, but not during actual infection, which was “asymptomatic”.

    It was pretty funny though how he said it could be cured with vodka, this is what you’re supposed to say according to the old school standards of East Slavic masculinity (it’s kind of endearing almost, even if not wise).

    It will be interesting to see if this health issue is just a one time thing (he seemed quite robust before). If he leaves the stage, things could become very interesting – will Russia even have the capacity to act here and take over Belarus fully, when all the troops are in the South of Ukraine? The Belarusian people are very reluctant to enter the war (or attack Ukraine).

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    Hey, don't rule out the vodka cure just yet!

    The double-blind long-term studies have not been properly completed on any of the COVID "remedies" (including vaccines).

    I'm still testing the wine cure. So far it is 100% effective preventing long-term COVID side-effects.

    Replies: @LatW

  647. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down.

     

    That is simply not true.

    You believe it is not true. Maybe you doubt the veracity of the report but you can't be certain that it is false.

    We do know for certain that Zelensky tried to negotiate with Putin and Russia cut diplomatic ties. We also know that Putin put a hit out on Zelensky. It was in fact a huge mistake of Zelensky to not take the CIA report seriously because he didn't allow the military to fully prepare out of fear that he would agitate Putin. The northern bridge to Belarus was left wide open.

    They have since mined the area and a repeat attack from the north would be devastated. This is partly why Putin no longer plans on trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

    Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda – an attempt to change the narrative or at least to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Would you rather it come from the NYPOST who was vilified by the MSM for not conforming?
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-struck-by-aide-as-war-began/

    Disregarding the source and not reading the article puts you in the same camp as liberals that rejected the Hunter Biden laptop story. You're locking yourself into a bubble.


    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.

     

    Did he? He certainly hasn’t acted like that – the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc…And what empire?

    Why did he send a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks at Kiev? What was the plan? Was that a parade for kids?

    He planned on taking Ukraine by force and adding it to the Russian empire. Or are you going to claim that all three sets of leaked plans for a takeover are false? Including plans that detailed a Russuofication of Ukraine? All just made up? Do explain the 40 mile column in this context.

    Finland simply doesn’t matter – a more sober Estonia. Who cares?

    So you maintain the war was about NATO expanding too closely to Russia and it doesn't matter if Finland joins? You do realize that they border Russia?

    It's all about NATO but it doesn't matter if Putin pushed Finland into joining? That makes zero sense.


    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    That was never one of his original reasons. There was never consistent list of reasons and you and the other Putin bootlickers were never on your knees for that false pretense. Putin could tell us that he is protecting Ukraine from space aliens and you would tell us that it is valid and you can't disprove the existence of UFOs.

    Just stop already. Wiser Putin defenders have moved on.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders.

    Is it that simple? Early in the war it was Putin that declared LPR/DRP to be independent countries. After failing to take Kiev he took them as vanilla territory. If pleasing Putin is that simple then why did he break his word on LPR/DPR? I can even dig up the document that he signed. They are not independent Republics as he promised. Their flags were thrown in the garbage and the militias were marched off to the front. There are intercepts where Russian soldiers refer to the militias as worthless cannon fodder.

    Moldova never had plans to join NATO and they were scheduled for invasion. Let me guess, another false report? Putin the poisoner would never do such things? You can trust a man that has his own allies pushed of windows?

    Full list of Russians that have fallen out of windows since the start of the Ukraine war
    https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-putin-ukraine-war-1781790

    There is negative evidence that Putin will act in principle to those that serve him and it is irrational to believe that he would act in principle towards Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Georgia. In fact he already took a slice of Georgia under the pretense of "protecting Russians" when he could have simply given them passports. Where is Lukashenko? Putin's best pal was mysteriously ill at the one-tank parade and no one has seen him. Better prepare yourself a potential new round of "that report must be false" statements. Next week you could be telling us that his death must be an accident and the basis is that it was reported in AP. It must be false because of the source. That is exactly how liberals think about information outside the MSM. Oh but you're different......right.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    You should understand that with your breathless regurgitation of all Western conspiracy stories about Russia you lose all credibility. It would be like someone when mentioning Tony Blair always adding that he ‘killed Robin Cook‘. You can’t be that gullible so you are clearly just trying to manipulate.

    Reuters publishes British gment propaganda when it deals with foreign affairs, esp. with regard to Russia. Period. If you take what they write as a ‘story’ you are simply an idiot and there is no point in you trying your hand at Unz. Don’t embarrass yourself more by childishly defending it as a ‘source’. Yes, Reuters is a source of a lot of nonsense and propaganda about Russia.

    All your other geopolitical points are so one-sided and a repetition of the same old tired narratives about Belarus and Moldova – the actual reality is a lot more complicated. But you persist and make a fool out of yourself. For god’s sake come up with some new material, poison in underwear and ‘one-tank’ are too hackneyed and over-used – and obviously untrue – that one wonders about your two-digit IQ…

  648. Sean says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The world is a sphere. The landings in Sicily shut down Kursk. The battles in North Africa turned off the Spigot in the Caucasus. The slightest pressure from China will tip over all the calculations now.

    Replies: @Sean

    I don’t think the war in Ukraine is seen by the Chinese leadership as in China’s interests. China wants to remain neutral, it has investments from the West and the Chinese market accounts for a a substantial proportion of Western multinationals’ profits.

    China is trying to avoid rocking the boat because it does well in the kind of liberal economic order that goes with peace. If Russia and America got into a full thermonuclear exchange, America would hit (neutral) China too, just to stop them dominating the world in the aftermath.

  649. If AI video comes along, I wonder what sort of strange videos these people who anthropomorphize vicious animals like pythons, pitbulls, and cobras, and show them with toddlers will be making and posting and pretending they were real.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    Ultimate uncanny dog valley - AI generated video from text/image inputs:


    AI systems for image and video synthesis are quickly becoming more precise, realistic and controllable. Runway Research is at the forefront of these developments and is dedicated to ensuring the future of creativity is accessible, controllable and empowering for all.
     
    https://research.runwayml.com/gen2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMqEG32UslU

    However if those things will become more improved and bit less creepy looking, a lot of people would be able troll wokist trend of employing black actors in historical roles for the sake of "artistry" and easily create short movies/faux trailers of movies about Taubman or MLK but with white or asian actors, lol

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

  650. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ...Chinese intervention certain is more likely.
     
    They have already intervened by sticking with Russia. The most likely behind the scene deal between Russia and China is that they will assist each other. It is not in China's or Russia's strategic interest to see Washington prevail. That reality closes the strategic box. It is remotely possible that one or the other would betray, but very unlikely. It is even less likely that Washington would win simultaneously fighting both Russia and China.

    This is the ultimate neo-con fool's errand, one in a line of many missteps. This one is catastrophic and will likely be their last one. But the poor dead Ukies will not be around to see the end of this madness. Grief and sorrow, indeed...that's what happens when one sells himself for shiny promises.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Greasy William

    Do you think there is any chance China moves on Taiwan before 2030?

    My guess is that if Trump wins in ’24, China will choose to wait until at least ’29, probably more like ’33 or ’35. I think if Biden wins that there is a real chance they go for it in ’25 or ’26.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    They will make a move pretty soon. The world is a globe. Shifts in power and military balance often occur on opposite sides of the planet.

    Biden did need the Ukraine to become a hot war to externalise they internal race war in the US. For example. Putin provided the solution to some extent.

    , @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    There is always a chance, but China is a reactive status quo preserving power (as is Russia). If US pushes the issue with Taiwan 'independence' and with placing arms closer to China, I can see the Chinese moving. They would see it as a preventive necessary defense against an out-of-control aggressor on their doorsteps. The West would say that it is a wanton aggression.

    If US calms down, China would keep the Taiwan status quo indefinitely.

    Romans marched into the Teutonburg forest - why? They had the legions, felt inviolable, and it was a good career move for many officers. That's how disasters are made: hubris and stupidity.

    (See the moronic "John Johnson' on how their minds work - or not work.)

  651. @Ivashka the fool
    Current country of residence of former Russian vice-prime ministers :

    Ilya Klebanov - Israel;
    Alfred Koch - Germany;
    Arkady Dvorkovich - USA;
    Alexander Khloponin - Israel;
    Alexey Kudrin - Israel;
    Yakov Urinson - Israel;
    Maxim Akimov - Israel;
    Anatoly Chubais - Italy;
    Igor Shuvalov - Austria;
    Victor Khristenko - Spain;
    Olga Holodets - Spain.

     


    In additional posts on this topic on Brief, they also write that a former prime minister (Kasyanov) lives abroad, as well as many top administrators of the Presidential Administration, ministers, governors. For example, the former governor of Perm, Chirkunov, started a vineyard and a winery in France, and in an interview said that he “just started feeling alive after leaving Russia.” Work in Russia seems perceived as an unpleasant and difficult business trip.

    In what country in the world would this be even possible?

    That the top authorities connect their lives with other countries, and not with autochthonous territory?

    Maybe just some African third world countries.

    And pay attention, no one relocates to the countries of our new friends - Iran, China, Eritrea, etc.

    Yes, even among armchair autochthonous patriots it is not customary to go to the territory of their adoration: no one moved to live to LPR and DPR (except for the former liberal and admirer of Ichkeria, who in his old age became a patriot - Babitsky; but even then his family remained to live in the Czech Republic) .

    I have said many times, but I will repeat it again: about the true course of the country, about its main ideology, attitudes, and so on. it can and should be judged only by the behavior of the authorities.

    Not how they slap their tongue, but how they behave.

    Moreover, this is a global trend - all trends in society are set only by the upper classes, then they are copied by the middle class, and last of all by the lower classes
     
    .

    From Pavel Priannikov's Tg Channel.

    I wholeheartedly agree with him. Those who think that the RusFed-ian Noviop are some Russian patriots, or even God forbids some Russian nationalists, do not understand anything either about Russia or RusFed.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @QCIC

    Coincidentally the list shows the real reason Crimea is so important to Russia.

    It’s not what you think.

    Wait for it…

    –> You cannot be a Superpower unless your country has some nice warm beaches!

  652. @songbird
    If AI video comes along, I wonder what sort of strange videos these people who anthropomorphize vicious animals like pythons, pitbulls, and cobras, and show them with toddlers will be making and posting and pretending they were real.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Ultimate uncanny dog valley – AI generated video from text/image inputs:

    AI systems for image and video synthesis are quickly becoming more precise, realistic and controllable. Runway Research is at the forefront of these developments and is dedicated to ensuring the future of creativity is accessible, controllable and empowering for all.

    https://research.runwayml.com/gen2

    However if those things will become more improved and bit less creepy looking, a lot of people would be able troll wokist trend of employing black actors in historical roles for the sake of “artistry” and easily create short movies/faux trailers of movies about Taubman or MLK but with white or asian actors, lol

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Speaking of the uncanny valley, I was wondering the other day, if it is possible that females have a greater threshold before they reach 'weird.'

    Might make sense, if they are more invested in babies, or since men are supposed to defend territory.

    What made me think of it is the shoujo-style of drawing in Japan which is meant to appeal to girls seems to weird a lot of people out, myself included.

    Or maybe the sexes have different uncanny valleys that don't fully coincide.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    MLK but with white or asian actors
     
    Now, that’s a good idea. Make trailers (or even movies) about MLK and Mandela with title roles performed by white or Asian actors. Make people laugh at woke scum.
  653. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Propose a treaty whereby Ukraine adopts constitutional neutrality and stays out of NATO? That was proposed early in the war and Putin turned it down.

     

    That is simply not true.

    You believe it is not true. Maybe you doubt the veracity of the report but you can't be certain that it is false.

    We do know for certain that Zelensky tried to negotiate with Putin and Russia cut diplomatic ties. We also know that Putin put a hit out on Zelensky. It was in fact a huge mistake of Zelensky to not take the CIA report seriously because he didn't allow the military to fully prepare out of fear that he would agitate Putin. The northern bridge to Belarus was left wide open.

    They have since mined the area and a repeat attack from the north would be devastated. This is partly why Putin no longer plans on trying to conquer all of Ukraine.

    Your Reuters article is laughable propaganda – an attempt to change the narrative or at least to confuse. (Reuters is British intelligence mouthpiece, I hope you know that.)

    Would you rather it come from the NYPOST who was vilified by the MSM for not conforming?
    https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-struck-by-aide-as-war-began/

    Disregarding the source and not reading the article puts you in the same camp as liberals that rejected the Hunter Biden laptop story. You're locking yourself into a bubble.


    Putin planned on adding Ukraine to the empire.

     

    Did he? He certainly hasn’t acted like that – the very generous Minsk deal, the moderate war, etc…And what empire?

    Why did he send a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks at Kiev? What was the plan? Was that a parade for kids?

    He planned on taking Ukraine by force and adding it to the Russian empire. Or are you going to claim that all three sets of leaked plans for a takeover are false? Including plans that detailed a Russuofication of Ukraine? All just made up? Do explain the 40 mile column in this context.

    Finland simply doesn’t matter – a more sober Estonia. Who cares?

    So you maintain the war was about NATO expanding too closely to Russia and it doesn't matter if Finland joins? You do realize that they border Russia?

    It's all about NATO but it doesn't matter if Putin pushed Finland into joining? That makes zero sense.


    In fact he hasn’t blamed NATO for months. In his latest speech he claimed that he is protecting civilization.
     
    I explained to you before that wars can have multiple reasons. Your pretend infantilism suggests you are trying to hide and deceive. Why?

    That was never one of his original reasons. There was never consistent list of reasons and you and the other Putin bootlickers were never on your knees for that false pretense. Putin could tell us that he is protecting Ukraine from space aliens and you would tell us that it is valid and you can't disprove the existence of UFOs.

    Just stop already. Wiser Putin defenders have moved on.

    The solution is simple: Kiev admits that they will not join Nato, Russia gets to protect the Russian-speaking majority areas by either autonomy (Minsk) or redrawing the borders.

    Is it that simple? Early in the war it was Putin that declared LPR/DRP to be independent countries. After failing to take Kiev he took them as vanilla territory. If pleasing Putin is that simple then why did he break his word on LPR/DPR? I can even dig up the document that he signed. They are not independent Republics as he promised. Their flags were thrown in the garbage and the militias were marched off to the front. There are intercepts where Russian soldiers refer to the militias as worthless cannon fodder.

    Moldova never had plans to join NATO and they were scheduled for invasion. Let me guess, another false report? Putin the poisoner would never do such things? You can trust a man that has his own allies pushed of windows?

    Full list of Russians that have fallen out of windows since the start of the Ukraine war
    https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-russians-fall-windows-putin-ukraine-war-1781790

    There is negative evidence that Putin will act in principle to those that serve him and it is irrational to believe that he would act in principle towards Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus or Georgia. In fact he already took a slice of Georgia under the pretense of "protecting Russians" when he could have simply given them passports. Where is Lukashenko? Putin's best pal was mysteriously ill at the one-tank parade and no one has seen him. Better prepare yourself a potential new round of "that report must be false" statements. Next week you could be telling us that his death must be an accident and the basis is that it was reported in AP. It must be false because of the source. That is exactly how liberals think about information outside the MSM. Oh but you're different......right.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member. Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    Which objectives? Taking Kiev and adding Ukraine to Russia? How would that happen when Russia hasn't been able to take Bakhmut?

    The US military hardware still isn't at the front. The Ukrainians are currently chasing unsupported Russian soldiers with T-72s. How will everything improve once the hardware arrives?

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Complete fantasy. Russia has broken any remaining trust with not only Europe but nearby nations like Kazakhstan. Russia was supposed to transition into a democracy and instead they went right back to cheering a bitter Tsar as he tries to violently expand the empire. Putin started eroding democracy in the name of "fighting terrorism" and the Russian public did nothing. Bitterness and serfdom seem to be in their blood. They can't be Germany or Britain and instead of accepting that reality they try to expand the empire and rule over their neighbors. This very problem was described in the 19th century. The problem of Russian resentment towards the West and how it manifests itself in conquest dreams of the monarchy. Marx even wrote about how this national feeling should be exploited. He viewed Russia as a nation teeming with bitter proles and barely held together by the monarchy. He viewed his own nation of Germany as much harder to convert because of strong social institutions. The early Marxists had complete contempt for Russians and viewed them as useful idiots.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member.

    No the opposite will happen. There will be a movement to phase out the Russian language which is what is happening in Lithuania. Anti-Russian resentment is at an all time high in Eastern Europe. Russian has become a language of shame. The same result happened to the German language after the war. Interest in eugenics and the German language both plummeted with the defeat of Nazi Germany. Before WW1 it was common for US med students to learn German.

    Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    Total delusion. Polls show that the Ukrainian public backs Zelensky and hates Putin.
    https://news.yahoo.com/poll-reveals-over-90-ukrainians-141200610.html

    The ethnic Russians in Donbas will be devastated by this war. The men were rounded up and marched off to the front. Cities like Bakhmut will never recover.

    The best you can hope for is that Putin takes a slice of Donbas and gets to keep Crimea. And to do even that will require the deaths of at least 20k Russian conscripts. So you will have to continue to cheer the death of young men and hope that Putin's Jewish chef can somehow hold the line.

    Replies: @QCIC

  654. A123 says: • Website
    @Matra
    @A123

    I didn't know Lagunitas was now Heineken. It would explain why I saw it a few times in the Netherlands.

    Even before its recent politics InBev/Interbrew or whatever it was called has been a dubious company for some time. They tried to get Hoegaarden brewer Pierre Celis to change the recipe for the historic beer, which led to him starting the Celis brewery in Austin, Texas. Apparently a lot of beer enthusiasts in Belgium go out of their way not to drink any of the company's beers for a variety of reasons.

    Replies: @A123

    I didn’t know Lagunitas was now Heineken. It would explain why I saw it a few times in the Netherlands.

    Niche marketing is pure gold when you can define the niche.

     

     

    Filtered Wheat IPA. This should *not* work. Yet…. It does. Smooth silky IPA exists… And when made by these guys… It is really good.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Matra
  655. @LatW
    @sudden death


    Ofc he downplayed it then and said he even didn’t felt and knew anything at all and having learned it later during routine health check at the time, but not during actual infection, which was “asymptomatic”.
     
    It was pretty funny though how he said it could be cured with vodka, this is what you're supposed to say according to the old school standards of East Slavic masculinity (it's kind of endearing almost, even if not wise).

    It will be interesting to see if this health issue is just a one time thing (he seemed quite robust before). If he leaves the stage, things could become very interesting - will Russia even have the capacity to act here and take over Belarus fully, when all the troops are in the South of Ukraine? The Belarusian people are very reluctant to enter the war (or attack Ukraine).

    Replies: @QCIC

    Hey, don’t rule out the vodka cure just yet!

    The double-blind long-term studies have not been properly completed on any of the COVID “remedies” (including vaccines).

    I’m still testing the wine cure. So far it is 100% effective preventing long-term COVID side-effects.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Hey, don’t rule out the vodka cure just yet!
     
    I'm not, I have friends and relatives who will give vodka rubs when you're running high fever, they will even do it to toddlers! LOL

    The double-blind long-term studies have not been properly completed on any of the COVID “remedies” (including vaccines).
     
    The only remedy that can be trusted is to strengthen one's immunity.

    I’m still testing the wine cure. So far it is 100% effective preventing long-term COVID side-effects.
     
    Oh yea. An anti-anxiety aid and a resveratrol supplement. Approved.
  656. @QCIC
    @LatW

    Hey, don't rule out the vodka cure just yet!

    The double-blind long-term studies have not been properly completed on any of the COVID "remedies" (including vaccines).

    I'm still testing the wine cure. So far it is 100% effective preventing long-term COVID side-effects.

    Replies: @LatW

    Hey, don’t rule out the vodka cure just yet!

    I’m not, I have friends and relatives who will give vodka rubs when you’re running high fever, they will even do it to toddlers! LOL

    The double-blind long-term studies have not been properly completed on any of the COVID “remedies” (including vaccines).

    The only remedy that can be trusted is to strengthen one’s immunity.

    I’m still testing the wine cure. So far it is 100% effective preventing long-term COVID side-effects.

    Oh yea. An anti-anxiety aid and a resveratrol supplement. Approved.

    • Agree: QCIC
  657. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Ultimate uncanny dog valley - AI generated video from text/image inputs:


    AI systems for image and video synthesis are quickly becoming more precise, realistic and controllable. Runway Research is at the forefront of these developments and is dedicated to ensuring the future of creativity is accessible, controllable and empowering for all.
     
    https://research.runwayml.com/gen2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMqEG32UslU

    However if those things will become more improved and bit less creepy looking, a lot of people would be able troll wokist trend of employing black actors in historical roles for the sake of "artistry" and easily create short movies/faux trailers of movies about Taubman or MLK but with white or asian actors, lol

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Speaking of the uncanny valley, I was wondering the other day, if it is possible that females have a greater threshold before they reach ‘weird.’

    Might make sense, if they are more invested in babies, or since men are supposed to defend territory.

    What made me think of it is the shoujo-style of drawing in Japan which is meant to appeal to girls seems to weird a lot of people out, myself included.

    Or maybe the sexes have different uncanny valleys that don’t fully coincide.

  658. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don't care about preserving even basic things. We're in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @S

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society. It’s like the annoying kid that draws swastikas on his notebook just to freak out the teachers. He really just hates everyone and that includes most White people.

    Anglin has cheered the war from the beginning, told us that he hates White women, and temporarily sided with a crazy Black rapper just because he mumbled a few sentences about the Jews (and later repented after watching 21 jump street).

    I get called a Jew for being against the war in a forum and yet Anglin is practically a mascot for any left-wing journalist. He is a dancing monkey in a suit for them. They can point at his antics and write up an entire article. Him, the glory hole “but I’m conservative” fag and Fuentes might as well start a sitcom called 3 White nationalists. Anglin could rail against White women while taking a blowjob from the fag. Then he can rant about how the Jews promote degrading standards while doing coke with a rapper. They can end the show with a heil hitler while the audience erupts in laughter.

    For the record I’m not a White nationalist but I agree that the current situation is a total mess.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society.
     
    I'm sure a lot of them are not even real WNs since they do not fully follow the right principles.

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can't believe he's been able to get away with everything he's said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types. If any in his readership can be salvaged or their problems mitigated, that might be worth it, the rest can stay out in the cold.

    Replies: @Anne Lid, @S, @Triteleia Laxa

  659. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Not really, I take what you write at face value. I actually think I understand where you come from. But some of your points are way too simplistic.

    For example to say that "Russia is the aggressor in this war, not Ukraine" is a slogan, it doesn't mean anything. US (Nato) were the aggressors in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria...they acknowledged it, but it had no real impact.

    Wars are complex and the aggressor side will describe it in a way that is not necessary wrong...there are always reasons...

    If a feisty fast-talking person calls you names, arms himself, threatens you, gets in your face, lies about your common sensitive history, and constantly says that his big friend is coming to kill you soon (haha...) - are you the aggressor?

    Technically yes, as Nato was the aggressor in its wars - but it is more complex. You refuse to acknowledge the Kiev's errors, 8-years of provocations, the obvious Nato plan to use Ukraine to weaken (even attack) Russia. What is an aggression in that context?

    To end this nightmare for Ukraine we need to go beyond slogans: Russia has valid points and without addressing them it will continue as a rolling catastrophe. Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.

    Your slogans and silly cartoons don't solve anything. They don't even address it. In that way you are contributing to the Ukrainian catastrophe.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.

    Until Russia’s clumsy and devastating invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine’s constitution. Ukrainians just weren’t interested in such an alliance and didn’t feel the necessity of setting up quarrelsome or possibly divisive alliances against Russia. As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine. We can now see the fruits of this kind of approach amongst Ukrainians. It’s even driven formerly more neutral countries like Finland and Sweden to seek NATO membership. Face it Beckow, when it comes to foreign relations, Russia looks like just a big dumb DoDo bird, having its efforts met and surpassed by its big rival the US.
    Political cartoons are not “silly cartoons” like our armchair historian Beckow would like everyone to believe, but very potent symbols used to influence the propaganda war between opposing points of view. They don’t give Pulitzer prizes out for these sorts of clever creations for nothing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine.

    The clumsy caveman approach is similar to how Germany treated Poland until the end of WW2.

    There was never an interest in a fair deal on anything because the Germans viewed Poles as their natural subjects.

    Hitler represented the unspoken view of the Germans which is that the Poles only had a country thanks to the Allies. The Germans didn't believe that a Polish state had a right to exist. Hitler planned on wiping out the Polish identity and turning the country into farmland. His talk of a Polish corridor was all a distraction. Hitler was so eager to invade Poland that he was willing to gamble world war. Only with a complete second defeat of Germany and Europe in ashes did the Germans finally accept Poland as a state.

    Russians today have a similar attitude towards Ukraine, the Baltics and even Poland. You can see this in the 1420 interviews on youtube. Older Russians especially view those countries as the natural subjects of Russia. They lived during the USSR and can remember when Moscow gave orders to everyone East of Berlin. They miss those days and are embarrassed by those states wanting closer ties to the West. These older Russians watch State TV 24/7 and say stuff like "Roosa vill alvays vin" with a dead-eyed robot like stare. We could see some serious cultural turmoil if millions of Russians suddenly realize that Putin doesn't know what he is doing and State TV has been lying this entire time.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Ramirez was the number one cartoonist promoting the invasion of Iraq, which clearly is more closely connected to the implosion in Syria than anything the Russians have done.

    He was really quite pernicious in the 2000-2010 era. Ra Ra George Bush before that.

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    They gave the Pulitzer to some outfit for "discovering that Trump is a Russian agent". It is an unserious joke, as is the "Nobel Price" now, (Obama, anyone? how many kids did he murder with the price on his chest?)

    Your cartoons are a low-level propaganda, not exactly what one expects on Unz. But suit yourself.


    NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine’s constitution.
     
    Nonsense. As early as 2008 Nato and Ukraine said that Ukraine is joining Nato - they have repeated it officially every year since then. You are lying or misguided. Having it in Constitution is not a joke - it is the highest possible level of a declared intent.

    The circus and tragedy in Ukraine started because the neo-cons wanted Ukraine in Nato to use as a cudgel against Russia. Including Crimea, with the Russian Navy out and Nato moving in. This is an obvious and essential reality acknowledged by all sides, you denying is childish.

    Many normal Ukies were not enthusiastic about Nato, but that means nothing to the neo-cons. They put in power the Ukies who would do it. Most people in Europe oppose open borders, globalist economics and trans-gender idiocy - and yet it is easily forced on them. Your faith in the influence of public opinion is naive.


    Russia never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine
     
    That's true and in general Russia and China have almost no soft power. It is built into the current civilization: English language, Western culture, the quality of life, tourism, music, etc...Russia has no chance with soft power. But they are very strong in hard power, and the West has stupidly switched the competition from soft to hard power. A fatal mistake.

    What the West has going for it is the absolute superiority in soft power, but they can't win in hard power - exactly because they are too soft. Why Washington decided to stupidly move to military and economic warfare will be discussed for generations. But the odds have dramatically changed in Russia-China favor with that mistake.

    It is like the paper-rock-scissors game: if the West dominates the 'paper' hand why would they change it to 'scissors'. It is almost incomprehensible. So enjoy your warmongering cartoons - soft power, indeed. That's all you will be left with...

  660. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Ultimate uncanny dog valley - AI generated video from text/image inputs:


    AI systems for image and video synthesis are quickly becoming more precise, realistic and controllable. Runway Research is at the forefront of these developments and is dedicated to ensuring the future of creativity is accessible, controllable and empowering for all.
     
    https://research.runwayml.com/gen2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMqEG32UslU

    However if those things will become more improved and bit less creepy looking, a lot of people would be able troll wokist trend of employing black actors in historical roles for the sake of "artistry" and easily create short movies/faux trailers of movies about Taubman or MLK but with white or asian actors, lol

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    MLK but with white or asian actors

    Now, that’s a good idea. Make trailers (or even movies) about MLK and Mandela with title roles performed by white or Asian actors. Make people laugh at woke scum.

  661. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member. Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    Which objectives? Taking Kiev and adding Ukraine to Russia? How would that happen when Russia hasn’t been able to take Bakhmut?

    The US military hardware still isn’t at the front. The Ukrainians are currently chasing unsupported Russian soldiers with T-72s. How will everything improve once the hardware arrives?

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Complete fantasy. Russia has broken any remaining trust with not only Europe but nearby nations like Kazakhstan. Russia was supposed to transition into a democracy and instead they went right back to cheering a bitter Tsar as he tries to violently expand the empire. Putin started eroding democracy in the name of “fighting terrorism” and the Russian public did nothing. Bitterness and serfdom seem to be in their blood. They can’t be Germany or Britain and instead of accepting that reality they try to expand the empire and rule over their neighbors. This very problem was described in the 19th century. The problem of Russian resentment towards the West and how it manifests itself in conquest dreams of the monarchy. Marx even wrote about how this national feeling should be exploited. He viewed Russia as a nation teeming with bitter proles and barely held together by the monarchy. He viewed his own nation of Germany as much harder to convert because of strong social institutions. The early Marxists had complete contempt for Russians and viewed them as useful idiots.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member.

    No the opposite will happen. There will be a movement to phase out the Russian language which is what is happening in Lithuania. Anti-Russian resentment is at an all time high in Eastern Europe. Russian has become a language of shame. The same result happened to the German language after the war. Interest in eugenics and the German language both plummeted with the defeat of Nazi Germany. Before WW1 it was common for US med students to learn German.

    Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    Total delusion. Polls show that the Ukrainian public backs Zelensky and hates Putin.
    https://news.yahoo.com/poll-reveals-over-90-ukrainians-141200610.html

    The ethnic Russians in Donbas will be devastated by this war. The men were rounded up and marched off to the front. Cities like Bakhmut will never recover.

    The best you can hope for is that Putin takes a slice of Donbas and gets to keep Crimea. And to do even that will require the deaths of at least 20k Russian conscripts. So you will have to continue to cheer the death of young men and hope that Putin’s Jewish chef can somehow hold the line.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I get it, more Western support = More NeoNazis.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  662. @S
    @songbird


    I myself am not forecasting civil war anytime soon, unless there is cataclysmic collapse, which does not seem likely to me.
     
    You're much more sanguine about the current situation than I am, though I'd much rather you be right than me. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    On a whim, I recently flipped through an elementary school level bio of JFK that was published shortly after his death.

    [MORE]

    There were maybe two instances of wokeness altogether, if you don’t count the Peace Corps. One was how he met with Irish, Italians, Chinese, and Syrians in his district (since abolished) when running for Congress, and ate their different foods or drank their different drinks. Another was the Civil Rights regime made possible by the Supreme Court and Congress.

    But other than that, the tone of the book seemed extremely alien. There were many illustrations, but zero diversity unless you count one probable Italian (based on name.). It had a strong masculine edge to it, talking about the brothers roughhousing and different sports and feats. It spoke about how his two grandfathers were involved in politics, which seemed to indicate a rootedness that one could expect in the future. It also seemed very naive about his character.

    Hard to imagine a similar book being written today about Biden or Trump.

    Anyway, I got the sense, as I often do that nobody understood where things were going and that there might be some natural lifespan at least to elements of it. It really isn’t that old, for the most part. But I think it will last for decades yet.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird

    I appreciate the fact that you're not a Kennedy worshiper. I'm not a Kennedy hater, but I'm certainly not a Kennedy worshiper either.

    At the time Kennedy was in office he was the progressive's poster boy. While progressivism had not yet reached the level it's at today, even then it was headed there.


    One was how he [Kennedy] met with Irish, Italians, Chinese, and Syrians in his district (since abolished) when running for Congress, and ate their different foods or drank their different drinks.
     
    During chattel slave times the Massachusetts colony, not to mention New England as a whole, was a base for slave dealing, though they certainly owned slaves as well in many instances. It was the New England region which basically ran the North American slave trade, directing the show as it were. There, and in the South too, the 'doting' phenomena, ie a sick and unhealthy fetishizing of their Black slaves developed, in leiu of actually truly caring enough about them to not be enslaving them in the first place.

    In the early 19th century when (rather than having been abolished) chattel slavery and it's trade was simply monetized in New England via the introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system, the perverse doting/fetishizing was largely transferred over to their new slaves, aka 'the immigrants'. [Witness the 2020 presidential campaign of the progressive Massachusett's senator Elizabeth Warren being launched from Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Massachusetts.]

    The ties between Anglosphere progressivism and slavery (both chattel and wage) are deeply rooted, and colors the progressivism movement throughout the world.



    As an aside, and though some will probably hate me for saying it, I think Oswald acted alone, albeit with the caveat that someone (or something) other than Oswald seems to have known exactly what was going to happen beforehand in regards to the assassination. There may have been more of an occult element involved that many would feel comfortable in acknowledging.

    Some friendly Kennedy satire during his presidency... :-)


    https://youtu.be/35aO9GdOAZ0
  663. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    In my opinion Ukraine as it was two years ago is gone. There will be various Western gambits to induce Russia to negotiate but I think she will avoid these until the key objectives are achieved.

    Which objectives? Taking Kiev and adding Ukraine to Russia? How would that happen when Russia hasn't been able to take Bakhmut?

    The US military hardware still isn't at the front. The Ukrainians are currently chasing unsupported Russian soldiers with T-72s. How will everything improve once the hardware arrives?

    In a few years, countries such as Finland will leave NATO, unless NATO can reimagine itself in a way that is not adversarial toward Russia.

    Complete fantasy. Russia has broken any remaining trust with not only Europe but nearby nations like Kazakhstan. Russia was supposed to transition into a democracy and instead they went right back to cheering a bitter Tsar as he tries to violently expand the empire. Putin started eroding democracy in the name of "fighting terrorism" and the Russian public did nothing. Bitterness and serfdom seem to be in their blood. They can't be Germany or Britain and instead of accepting that reality they try to expand the empire and rule over their neighbors. This very problem was described in the 19th century. The problem of Russian resentment towards the West and how it manifests itself in conquest dreams of the monarchy. Marx even wrote about how this national feeling should be exploited. He viewed Russia as a nation teeming with bitter proles and barely held together by the monarchy. He viewed his own nation of Germany as much harder to convert because of strong social institutions. The early Marxists had complete contempt for Russians and viewed them as useful idiots.

    Ukraine will gradually heal and return to being a Russian-speaking family member.

    No the opposite will happen. There will be a movement to phase out the Russian language which is what is happening in Lithuania. Anti-Russian resentment is at an all time high in Eastern Europe. Russian has become a language of shame. The same result happened to the German language after the war. Interest in eugenics and the German language both plummeted with the defeat of Nazi Germany. Before WW1 it was common for US med students to learn German.

    Many people who left to the East and West will return since prospects in Ukraine will be better after Russia weeds out much of the oligarchy and annihilates the NeoNazis. Even the Ukrainian nationalists will eventually be supported as long as they are not violent and not supported by NGOs. The NeoNazis will be strongly hated by all and their Jewish puppet-masters will be made to eat crow in some form or another.

    Total delusion. Polls show that the Ukrainian public backs Zelensky and hates Putin.
    https://news.yahoo.com/poll-reveals-over-90-ukrainians-141200610.html

    The ethnic Russians in Donbas will be devastated by this war. The men were rounded up and marched off to the front. Cities like Bakhmut will never recover.

    The best you can hope for is that Putin takes a slice of Donbas and gets to keep Crimea. And to do even that will require the deaths of at least 20k Russian conscripts. So you will have to continue to cheer the death of young men and hope that Putin's Jewish chef can somehow hold the line.

    Replies: @QCIC

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I get it, more Western support = More NeoNazis.

    Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I don't believe that Ukraine is managed by NeoNazis and neither does the UN. They voted on the subject and only a few authoritarian states supported Russia.

    No one has provided evidence that Ukraine has more NeoNazi groups than Russia. In fact I've cited evidence that suggests the opposite.

    Russian State TV talks about NeoNazis while the world views Putin as not only a complete fascist but also as an amateur when compared to Hitler. So basically a dunce fascist with a Napolean complex.

    Russian State TV also once claimed that the war was over and Ukraine was about to surrender. Those same Putin pundits laughed and smiled as Ukrainian civilian buildings burned.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its "not fair" that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back.

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing? All this talk of NeoNazis is a joke to everyone outside of a few Putin bootlickers.

    There are Bradleys in Ukraine that are getting ready to fight. This an underrated vehicle and the Putin pundits are going to flip when they see what it can do.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3d6iAgNhLM

    Even MacGregor looks like he is sweating in his latest video. This is not going to be pretty. Russia has green conscripts in shallow trenches and they are about to be targeted by Bradleys that can use indirect fire on a trench from 1000 yards at night.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

  664. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.
     
    Until Russia's clumsy and devastating invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine's constitution. Ukrainians just weren't interested in such an alliance and didn't feel the necessity of setting up quarrelsome or possibly divisive alliances against Russia. As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine. We can now see the fruits of this kind of approach amongst Ukrainians. It's even driven formerly more neutral countries like Finland and Sweden to seek NATO membership. Face it Beckow, when it comes to foreign relations, Russia looks like just a big dumb DoDo bird, having its efforts met and surpassed by its big rival the US.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIQOEbNWQAIUWGo.jpg
    Political cartoons are not "silly cartoons" like our armchair historian Beckow would like everyone to believe, but very potent symbols used to influence the propaganda war between opposing points of view. They don't give Pulitzer prizes out for these sorts of clever creations for nothing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine.

    The clumsy caveman approach is similar to how Germany treated Poland until the end of WW2.

    There was never an interest in a fair deal on anything because the Germans viewed Poles as their natural subjects.

    Hitler represented the unspoken view of the Germans which is that the Poles only had a country thanks to the Allies. The Germans didn’t believe that a Polish state had a right to exist. Hitler planned on wiping out the Polish identity and turning the country into farmland. His talk of a Polish corridor was all a distraction. Hitler was so eager to invade Poland that he was willing to gamble world war. Only with a complete second defeat of Germany and Europe in ashes did the Germans finally accept Poland as a state.

    Russians today have a similar attitude towards Ukraine, the Baltics and even Poland. You can see this in the 1420 interviews on youtube. Older Russians especially view those countries as the natural subjects of Russia. They lived during the USSR and can remember when Moscow gave orders to everyone East of Berlin. They miss those days and are embarrassed by those states wanting closer ties to the West. These older Russians watch State TV 24/7 and say stuff like “Roosa vill alvays vin” with a dead-eyed robot like stare. We could see some serious cultural turmoil if millions of Russians suddenly realize that Putin doesn’t know what he is doing and State TV has been lying this entire time.

    • Agree: sudden death
  665. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.
     
    Until Russia's clumsy and devastating invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine's constitution. Ukrainians just weren't interested in such an alliance and didn't feel the necessity of setting up quarrelsome or possibly divisive alliances against Russia. As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine. We can now see the fruits of this kind of approach amongst Ukrainians. It's even driven formerly more neutral countries like Finland and Sweden to seek NATO membership. Face it Beckow, when it comes to foreign relations, Russia looks like just a big dumb DoDo bird, having its efforts met and surpassed by its big rival the US.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIQOEbNWQAIUWGo.jpg
    Political cartoons are not "silly cartoons" like our armchair historian Beckow would like everyone to believe, but very potent symbols used to influence the propaganda war between opposing points of view. They don't give Pulitzer prizes out for these sorts of clever creations for nothing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Ramirez was the number one cartoonist promoting the invasion of Iraq, which clearly is more closely connected to the implosion in Syria than anything the Russians have done.

    He was really quite pernicious in the 2000-2010 era. Ra Ra George Bush before that.

  666. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I get it, more Western support = More NeoNazis.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I don’t believe that Ukraine is managed by NeoNazis and neither does the UN. They voted on the subject and only a few authoritarian states supported Russia.

    No one has provided evidence that Ukraine has more NeoNazi groups than Russia. In fact I’ve cited evidence that suggests the opposite.

    Russian State TV talks about NeoNazis while the world views Putin as not only a complete fascist but also as an amateur when compared to Hitler. So basically a dunce fascist with a Napolean complex.

    Russian State TV also once claimed that the war was over and Ukraine was about to surrender. Those same Putin pundits laughed and smiled as Ukrainian civilian buildings burned.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its “not fair” that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back.

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing? All this talk of NeoNazis is a joke to everyone outside of a few Putin bootlickers.

    There are Bradleys in Ukraine that are getting ready to fight. This an underrated vehicle and the Putin pundits are going to flip when they see what it can do.

    Even MacGregor looks like he is sweating in his latest video. This is not going to be pretty. Russia has green conscripts in shallow trenches and they are about to be targeted by Bradleys that can use indirect fire on a trench from 1000 yards at night.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    As far as I know, NeoNazis in Russia are not a factor in the SMO, so they are a different concern.

    I'm sure the Bradley is a fine vehicle. Time will tell how this works out, just be patient.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    What does Nazi even mean though? For the Russians who actually had to do the bleeding in ww2 it just means westerners who are fighting them. For a Jew like yourself it’s the dictator guys who chased Jews around for 12 years. Russian dead? Afterthought really.


    There were Two Wars wars in one.


    Most Europeans and European Americans probably supported Barbarossa in principle. Many European nations sent excellent troops: French, Dutch, Spanish Italian, Belgians, Finns, Swedes, Danes, Croats, Lats, Liths, Estonians, Romanians, Bulgarians…Just the timing and executive leadership was anti Semitic so it had to be carefully strangled by the British & Americans and the overall task postponed for a generation. Give the press a kosher figurehead like Zelenskyy controlling some ornery Ukies and here we are. A war directed by Washington that might topple Moscow for keeps.

  667. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Do you think there is any chance China moves on Taiwan before 2030?

    My guess is that if Trump wins in '24, China will choose to wait until at least '29, probably more like '33 or '35. I think if Biden wins that there is a real chance they go for it in '25 or '26.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    They will make a move pretty soon. The world is a globe. Shifts in power and military balance often occur on opposite sides of the planet.

    Biden did need the Ukraine to become a hot war to externalise they internal race war in the US. For example. Putin provided the solution to some extent.

  668. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society. It's like the annoying kid that draws swastikas on his notebook just to freak out the teachers. He really just hates everyone and that includes most White people.

    Anglin has cheered the war from the beginning, told us that he hates White women, and temporarily sided with a crazy Black rapper just because he mumbled a few sentences about the Jews (and later repented after watching 21 jump street).

    I get called a Jew for being against the war in a forum and yet Anglin is practically a mascot for any left-wing journalist. He is a dancing monkey in a suit for them. They can point at his antics and write up an entire article. Him, the glory hole "but I'm conservative" fag and Fuentes might as well start a sitcom called 3 White nationalists. Anglin could rail against White women while taking a blowjob from the fag. Then he can rant about how the Jews promote degrading standards while doing coke with a rapper. They can end the show with a heil hitler while the audience erupts in laughter.

    For the record I'm not a White nationalist but I agree that the current situation is a total mess.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    I not only have children but was scolded here by White nationalists for marrying a White woman.

    I've also been scolded for trying to give advice to White men that want to meet White women.

    I've also been scolded by a White nationalist for stating that I chose a White woman over an Asian.

    That's in my history. There are self-described White nationalists that hate White women and depict marrying one as a trap. I guess they expect someone else to have the children while they cheer war and destruction from a basement. As I said before they are really just nihilistic misanthropes like Anglin. They care nothing for White families and cheer as Putin bombs civilian areas.

    Anglin's followers are heavily incel. They have backed him as he has cheered loner incel shooters while condemning White women as whores. Can provide sources if you would like. Anglin ran off to Asia and slept with prostitutes while penning articles on how the Jews are a corrupting influence.

    Incels refer to themselves as incel. They have forums where they sit around and bash White women and Jews. They also tend to support Putin which is no surprise since he has the shortchanged 'n bitter vibe despite being dictator of the world's largest country. He clearly has obvious compensation issues and they share his desire to destroy the West and any White women or children that might be in the way.

    So you are upset with me for calling them by their own term?

    Makes about as much as sense anything you post.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  669. It appears the Ukrainian counter attacks on the Russian flanks around Bakhmut are failing after having some initial success. This isn’t too surprising.

    What we don’t know is: is what we are seeing the counter offensive or is this all a diversion to get Russia to thin out the southern front so the UkAF can push through. I think probably the latter but I am becoming increasingly confident that the Ukrainian offensive in the south will be a costly failure.

    And we are suddenly in a very different situation if Ukraine doesn’t achieve some offensive success by the end of this year. It took 6-9 months and hundreds of billions of dollars for Ukraine to build up the forces to launch these attacks. Is the West really going to build another assault force for Kiev when it is known in advance that no Ukrainian offensive has any realistic prospect of success?

    The problem for the West is why should Putin make any kind of deal when he knows that the US wants to focus on Taiwan and the ME and that the Euro weenies want to surrender completely? What can the US even offer Putin? Ending the sanctions? Putin doesn’t care. Recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea? Putin doesn’t care. Promising no NATO membership for Ukraine? Putin doesn’t care and he wouldn’t believe such promises anyway.

    Meanwhile, if Putin ends the war then western aid will flow into Ukraine to rebuild the country, leading to an even worse strategic situation for Russia than just continuing hostilities indefinitely. If the West cannot deal Russia a decisive military defeat, there is absolutely no reason for Putin to make peace.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    Tokmak is the key strategic city. If the Ukies get that they can push to Melitopol and force an evacuation of Kherson Oblast.

    Challenger2 will be the tanks used for this operation.

  670. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society. It's like the annoying kid that draws swastikas on his notebook just to freak out the teachers. He really just hates everyone and that includes most White people.

    Anglin has cheered the war from the beginning, told us that he hates White women, and temporarily sided with a crazy Black rapper just because he mumbled a few sentences about the Jews (and later repented after watching 21 jump street).

    I get called a Jew for being against the war in a forum and yet Anglin is practically a mascot for any left-wing journalist. He is a dancing monkey in a suit for them. They can point at his antics and write up an entire article. Him, the glory hole "but I'm conservative" fag and Fuentes might as well start a sitcom called 3 White nationalists. Anglin could rail against White women while taking a blowjob from the fag. Then he can rant about how the Jews promote degrading standards while doing coke with a rapper. They can end the show with a heil hitler while the audience erupts in laughter.

    For the record I'm not a White nationalist but I agree that the current situation is a total mess.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @LatW

    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society.

    I’m sure a lot of them are not even real WNs since they do not fully follow the right principles.

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can’t believe he’s been able to get away with everything he’s said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types. If any in his readership can be salvaged or their problems mitigated, that might be worth it, the rest can stay out in the cold.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
    @LatW

    I remember the first time I read Anglin. It was around the time fat woman threads disappeared on fark.com. I laughed aloud (I hadn't done that for a long time reading supposedly funny stuff.) It was woman bashing.

    Anglin is a satirical writer and thus exaggerates. The best thing I have done for my son (I am not a very good mother) is hooking him onto the Daily Stormer. It is a necessary antidote to the brainwashing he is subjected to at school and almost everywhere we go.

    , @S
    @LatW



    And what can we do about the Anglin types?...
     
    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can’t believe he’s been able to get away with everything he’s said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types.
     
    As you infer, Anglin is a troll, best just to be ignored.
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @LatW

    The recent Mestizo shooter with the Nazi tattoos summed up the problem of WN movements in his own words when he wrote "of course I love the Nazis, I love all evil things."

    WN as a designated "evil" movement ends up attracting many people who are drawn to anything designated evil, which then reinforces its evil image.

    The solution is twofold: to ruthlessly shun these types and to present as relentlessly kind, compassionate and otherwise positive.

    Replies: @LatW

  671. @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    I not only have children but was scolded here by White nationalists for marrying a White woman.

    I’ve also been scolded for trying to give advice to White men that want to meet White women.

    I’ve also been scolded by a White nationalist for stating that I chose a White woman over an Asian.

    That’s in my history. There are self-described White nationalists that hate White women and depict marrying one as a trap. I guess they expect someone else to have the children while they cheer war and destruction from a basement. As I said before they are really just nihilistic misanthropes like Anglin. They care nothing for White families and cheer as Putin bombs civilian areas.

    Anglin’s followers are heavily incel. They have backed him as he has cheered loner incel shooters while condemning White women as whores. Can provide sources if you would like. Anglin ran off to Asia and slept with prostitutes while penning articles on how the Jews are a corrupting influence.

    Incels refer to themselves as incel. They have forums where they sit around and bash White women and Jews. They also tend to support Putin which is no surprise since he has the shortchanged ‘n bitter vibe despite being dictator of the world’s largest country. He clearly has obvious compensation issues and they share his desire to destroy the West and any White women or children that might be in the way.

    So you are upset with me for calling them by their own term?

    Makes about as much as sense anything you post.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Incel. It’s a catch word used by journalists. And has been much twisted. The term originates as far as I can tell from a subset of unattractive guys who slammed the programs of PUA chatup coaches. They are Mostly darkies, Arabs and slants who can’t get with white girls from what I can tell. Basically they’d consumed the advice of these swarthy hirsute Jewish (can’t recall the main guy’s name) and Iranian (Roosh) coaches and found that attractive women like “blue eyes, tall, dark and handsome” or “fair headed charmers”.

    Stormer emerged at roughly the same time as Roosh was peddling his wares. The PUA phenomenon held that all men should stick together and enjoy the debasement. People pointing out race, were often told to fuck off. The far right who would have been consuming Stormer at the time had to see through this strange idea of universal male brotherhood and avoid the avowedly philosemitic Gates of Vienna style anti-Islam claptrap. Incel were just enraged ethnics who were still striking out after literally buying PUA books and finding blonde girls wouldn’t touch them. That dynamic got on my radar around 2012. By then I’d already had 4 children.


    You’ve got multiple kids have you? And you are not a pensioned civil servant or retired boomer? And you have time to gab on a forum during your peak earning years? Can’t pay a qualified plumber for your crumbling house either? You might want to just figure out the trade craft yourself. It’s not difficult.

  672. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I don't believe that Ukraine is managed by NeoNazis and neither does the UN. They voted on the subject and only a few authoritarian states supported Russia.

    No one has provided evidence that Ukraine has more NeoNazi groups than Russia. In fact I've cited evidence that suggests the opposite.

    Russian State TV talks about NeoNazis while the world views Putin as not only a complete fascist but also as an amateur when compared to Hitler. So basically a dunce fascist with a Napolean complex.

    Russian State TV also once claimed that the war was over and Ukraine was about to surrender. Those same Putin pundits laughed and smiled as Ukrainian civilian buildings burned.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its "not fair" that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back.

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing? All this talk of NeoNazis is a joke to everyone outside of a few Putin bootlickers.

    There are Bradleys in Ukraine that are getting ready to fight. This an underrated vehicle and the Putin pundits are going to flip when they see what it can do.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3d6iAgNhLM

    Even MacGregor looks like he is sweating in his latest video. This is not going to be pretty. Russia has green conscripts in shallow trenches and they are about to be targeted by Bradleys that can use indirect fire on a trench from 1000 yards at night.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    As far as I know, NeoNazis in Russia are not a factor in the SMO, so they are a different concern.

    I’m sure the Bradley is a fine vehicle. Time will tell how this works out, just be patient.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    I never said anything about NeoNazi ranks expanding.

    I'm not convinced of this NeoNazi group you speak of that is involved in high level politics. There are NeoNazis in every European country but I see no reason to believe that some specific group is controlling Ukrainian politics.

    How about naming the top 5 NeoNazi leaders of this group.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    So you believe that there are not only NeoNazis in Ukrainian politics but the goverment will eventually collapse? Do you realize that Ukraine is getting over 250 tanks and over 100 striker vehicles? You think there is a chance that Russia can not only defeat all this armor but also crawl back to Kiev and defeat the locally armed population? I just watched a video of a Ukrainian T-72 chase down a Russian in Bakhmut. The armor hasn't arrived and the Russians are doing poorly.

    Answer: No chance in hell.

    Replies: @QCIC

  673. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    So you are suggesting that if Ukraine somehow managed to win, the NeoNazis will become even more common and dangerous in Ukraine?

    I don't believe that Ukraine is managed by NeoNazis and neither does the UN. They voted on the subject and only a few authoritarian states supported Russia.

    No one has provided evidence that Ukraine has more NeoNazi groups than Russia. In fact I've cited evidence that suggests the opposite.

    Russian State TV talks about NeoNazis while the world views Putin as not only a complete fascist but also as an amateur when compared to Hitler. So basically a dunce fascist with a Napolean complex.

    Russian State TV also once claimed that the war was over and Ukraine was about to surrender. Those same Putin pundits laughed and smiled as Ukrainian civilian buildings burned.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its "not fair" that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back.

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing? All this talk of NeoNazis is a joke to everyone outside of a few Putin bootlickers.

    There are Bradleys in Ukraine that are getting ready to fight. This an underrated vehicle and the Putin pundits are going to flip when they see what it can do.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3d6iAgNhLM

    Even MacGregor looks like he is sweating in his latest video. This is not going to be pretty. Russia has green conscripts in shallow trenches and they are about to be targeted by Bradleys that can use indirect fire on a trench from 1000 yards at night.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    What does Nazi even mean though? For the Russians who actually had to do the bleeding in ww2 it just means westerners who are fighting them. For a Jew like yourself it’s the dictator guys who chased Jews around for 12 years. Russian dead? Afterthought really.

    There were Two Wars wars in one.

    Most Europeans and European Americans probably supported Barbarossa in principle. Many European nations sent excellent troops: French, Dutch, Spanish Italian, Belgians, Finns, Swedes, Danes, Croats, Lats, Liths, Estonians, Romanians, Bulgarians…Just the timing and executive leadership was anti Semitic so it had to be carefully strangled by the British & Americans and the overall task postponed for a generation. Give the press a kosher figurehead like Zelenskyy controlling some ornery Ukies and here we are. A war directed by Washington that might topple Moscow for keeps.

  674. @Greasy William
    It appears the Ukrainian counter attacks on the Russian flanks around Bakhmut are failing after having some initial success. This isn't too surprising.

    What we don't know is: is what we are seeing the counter offensive or is this all a diversion to get Russia to thin out the southern front so the UkAF can push through. I think probably the latter but I am becoming increasingly confident that the Ukrainian offensive in the south will be a costly failure.

    And we are suddenly in a very different situation if Ukraine doesn't achieve some offensive success by the end of this year. It took 6-9 months and hundreds of billions of dollars for Ukraine to build up the forces to launch these attacks. Is the West really going to build another assault force for Kiev when it is known in advance that no Ukrainian offensive has any realistic prospect of success?

    The problem for the West is why should Putin make any kind of deal when he knows that the US wants to focus on Taiwan and the ME and that the Euro weenies want to surrender completely? What can the US even offer Putin? Ending the sanctions? Putin doesn't care. Recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimea? Putin doesn't care. Promising no NATO membership for Ukraine? Putin doesn't care and he wouldn't believe such promises anyway.

    Meanwhile, if Putin ends the war then western aid will flow into Ukraine to rebuild the country, leading to an even worse strategic situation for Russia than just continuing hostilities indefinitely. If the West cannot deal Russia a decisive military defeat, there is absolutely no reason for Putin to make peace.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Tokmak is the key strategic city. If the Ukies get that they can push to Melitopol and force an evacuation of Kherson Oblast.

    Challenger2 will be the tanks used for this operation.

  675. @John Johnson
    @Wokechoke

    I doubt you have children. Throwing around incel like some faggoty Jewish feminist when you didn’t have children yourself really is a chutzpah mitzvah.

    I not only have children but was scolded here by White nationalists for marrying a White woman.

    I've also been scolded for trying to give advice to White men that want to meet White women.

    I've also been scolded by a White nationalist for stating that I chose a White woman over an Asian.

    That's in my history. There are self-described White nationalists that hate White women and depict marrying one as a trap. I guess they expect someone else to have the children while they cheer war and destruction from a basement. As I said before they are really just nihilistic misanthropes like Anglin. They care nothing for White families and cheer as Putin bombs civilian areas.

    Anglin's followers are heavily incel. They have backed him as he has cheered loner incel shooters while condemning White women as whores. Can provide sources if you would like. Anglin ran off to Asia and slept with prostitutes while penning articles on how the Jews are a corrupting influence.

    Incels refer to themselves as incel. They have forums where they sit around and bash White women and Jews. They also tend to support Putin which is no surprise since he has the shortchanged 'n bitter vibe despite being dictator of the world's largest country. He clearly has obvious compensation issues and they share his desire to destroy the West and any White women or children that might be in the way.

    So you are upset with me for calling them by their own term?

    Makes about as much as sense anything you post.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Incel. It’s a catch word used by journalists. And has been much twisted. The term originates as far as I can tell from a subset of unattractive guys who slammed the programs of PUA chatup coaches. They are Mostly darkies, Arabs and slants who can’t get with white girls from what I can tell. Basically they’d consumed the advice of these swarthy hirsute Jewish (can’t recall the main guy’s name) and Iranian (Roosh) coaches and found that attractive women like “blue eyes, tall, dark and handsome” or “fair headed charmers”.

    Stormer emerged at roughly the same time as Roosh was peddling his wares. The PUA phenomenon held that all men should stick together and enjoy the debasement. People pointing out race, were often told to fuck off. The far right who would have been consuming Stormer at the time had to see through this strange idea of universal male brotherhood and avoid the avowedly philosemitic Gates of Vienna style anti-Islam claptrap. Incel were just enraged ethnics who were still striking out after literally buying PUA books and finding blonde girls wouldn’t touch them. That dynamic got on my radar around 2012. By then I’d already had 4 children.

    You’ve got multiple kids have you? And you are not a pensioned civil servant or retired boomer? And you have time to gab on a forum during your peak earning years? Can’t pay a qualified plumber for your crumbling house either? You might want to just figure out the trade craft yourself. It’s not difficult.

  676. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Horthy tried to backstab Hitler by trying to make a separate peace with the Allies.

    Hungarian Jews were killed because Hitler wanted to kill them and Horthy didn't want to send them.

    Hitler knew he had lost the war at that point and wanted to kill as many Jews as possible. He said very early that even if Germany loses a second war the Jews will not survive.

    It was Hitler that chose to use his dwindling forces to capture Jews instead of trying to protect German women from what he knew would be mass rape and murder by the Red Army.

    This maniac obsession with Jews to where even White women are left to wolves is seen by posters here like Anglin. They claim to be pro-White and yet would clearly kill a million White women just to give a Jew like Soros a mild case of indigestion.

    They really aren't pro-White. They are nihilistic misanthropes and view Jews as the impediment of what they believe would be a natural world order of cruelty. Hitler pretended to tolerate Christianity while in private he stated that he only respected Islam for its violence.

    Most of these self-described White nationalists don't have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Worth noting that Hitler didn’t kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was. (King Michael’s Coup came very unexpectedly and months after Hungary tried to switch sides, and its sheer unexpectedness prevented the Nazis from effectively reacting to it by occupying Romania like they previously did with Hungary.)

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them. In real life, he was only able to save a majority of the Jews of Budapest, and even then in large part because the Nazis and the Arrow Cross simply (and extremely fortunately!) ran out of time to murder all of them.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Worth noting that Hitler didn’t kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was.

    You are talking about the remaining Jews of Bulgaria.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2012/how-bulgaria-saved-its-jews

    Romania was a collaborator:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

    Bulgaria had 50k Jews while Hungary had 500k. It was more likely a decision based on economics than loyalty.

    Hungary had the last large population within the reach of the Hitler. As I pointed out before he used troops to take Hungary and round up Jews instead of protecting German women. He knew the war was lost and chose to kill Jews rather than protect Germans.

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them.

    It's the fault of Horthy that Hitler killed Hungary's Jews even though that was Hitler's plan for every European country?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  677. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    On a whim, I recently flipped through an elementary school level bio of JFK that was published shortly after his death.

    There were maybe two instances of wokeness altogether, if you don't count the Peace Corps. One was how he met with Irish, Italians, Chinese, and Syrians in his district (since abolished) when running for Congress, and ate their different foods or drank their different drinks. Another was the Civil Rights regime made possible by the Supreme Court and Congress.

    But other than that, the tone of the book seemed extremely alien. There were many illustrations, but zero diversity unless you count one probable Italian (based on name.). It had a strong masculine edge to it, talking about the brothers roughhousing and different sports and feats. It spoke about how his two grandfathers were involved in politics, which seemed to indicate a rootedness that one could expect in the future. It also seemed very naive about his character.

    Hard to imagine a similar book being written today about Biden or Trump.

    Anyway, I got the sense, as I often do that nobody understood where things were going and that there might be some natural lifespan at least to elements of it. It really isn't that old, for the most part. But I think it will last for decades yet.

    Replies: @S

    I appreciate the fact that you’re not a Kennedy worshiper. I’m not a Kennedy hater, but I’m certainly not a Kennedy worshiper either.

    At the time Kennedy was in office he was the progressive’s poster boy. While progressivism had not yet reached the level it’s at today, even then it was headed there.

    One was how he [Kennedy] met with Irish, Italians, Chinese, and Syrians in his district (since abolished) when running for Congress, and ate their different foods or drank their different drinks.

    During chattel slave times the Massachusetts colony, not to mention New England as a whole, was a base for slave dealing, though they certainly owned slaves as well in many instances. It was the New England region which basically ran the North American slave trade, directing the show as it were. There, and in the South too, the ‘doting’ phenomena, ie a sick and unhealthy fetishizing of their Black slaves developed, in leiu of actually truly caring enough about them to not be enslaving them in the first place.

    In the early 19th century when (rather than having been abolished) chattel slavery and it’s trade was simply monetized in New England via the introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the perverse doting/fetishizing was largely transferred over to their new slaves, aka ‘the immigrants’. [Witness the 2020 presidential campaign of the progressive Massachusett’s senator Elizabeth Warren being launched from Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Massachusetts.]

    The ties between Anglosphere progressivism and slavery (both chattel and wage) are deeply rooted, and colors the progressivism movement throughout the world.

    [MORE]

    As an aside, and though some will probably hate me for saying it, I think Oswald acted alone, albeit with the caveat that someone (or something) other than Oswald seems to have known exactly what was going to happen beforehand in regards to the assassination. There may have been more of an occult element involved that many would feel comfortable in acknowledging.

    Some friendly Kennedy satire during his presidency… 🙂

    • Thanks: songbird
  678. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    As far as I know, NeoNazis in Russia are not a factor in the SMO, so they are a different concern.

    I'm sure the Bradley is a fine vehicle. Time will tell how this works out, just be patient.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    I never said anything about NeoNazi ranks expanding.

    I’m not convinced of this NeoNazi group you speak of that is involved in high level politics. There are NeoNazis in every European country but I see no reason to believe that some specific group is controlling Ukrainian politics.

    How about naming the top 5 NeoNazi leaders of this group.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    So you believe that there are not only NeoNazis in Ukrainian politics but the goverment will eventually collapse? Do you realize that Ukraine is getting over 250 tanks and over 100 striker vehicles? You think there is a chance that Russia can not only defeat all this armor but also crawl back to Kiev and defeat the locally armed population? I just watched a video of a Ukrainian T-72 chase down a Russian in Bakhmut. The armor hasn’t arrived and the Russians are doing poorly.

    Answer: No chance in hell.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little, but they seem to be motivated ideological thugs who are used to suppress dissent against Western-approved government policies.

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What's a few more?

    I don't think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there. On the other hand, I think they will level the place if it comes down to that.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  679. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Do you think there is any chance China moves on Taiwan before 2030?

    My guess is that if Trump wins in '24, China will choose to wait until at least '29, probably more like '33 or '35. I think if Biden wins that there is a real chance they go for it in '25 or '26.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    There is always a chance, but China is a reactive status quo preserving power (as is Russia). If US pushes the issue with Taiwan ‘independence’ and with placing arms closer to China, I can see the Chinese moving. They would see it as a preventive necessary defense against an out-of-control aggressor on their doorsteps. The West would say that it is a wanton aggression.

    If US calms down, China would keep the Taiwan status quo indefinitely.

    Romans marched into the Teutonburg forest – why? They had the legions, felt inviolable, and it was a good career move for many officers. That’s how disasters are made: hubris and stupidity.

    (See the moronic “John Johnson’ on how their minds work – or not work.)

  680. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Russia has a right to security and that means they have say in whether their large neighbor joins the anti-Russia historically very aggressive military alliance. Russians living in Ukraine have the same right to their language, culture and political representation as all minorities.
     
    Until Russia's clumsy and devastating invasion of Ukraine in 2014, NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine's constitution. Ukrainians just weren't interested in such an alliance and didn't feel the necessity of setting up quarrelsome or possibly divisive alliances against Russia. As hard as Russia tried, it unfortunately never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine, but instead opted for a clumsy caveman approach to dealing with Ukraine. We can now see the fruits of this kind of approach amongst Ukrainians. It's even driven formerly more neutral countries like Finland and Sweden to seek NATO membership. Face it Beckow, when it comes to foreign relations, Russia looks like just a big dumb DoDo bird, having its efforts met and surpassed by its big rival the US.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIQOEbNWQAIUWGo.jpg
    Political cartoons are not "silly cartoons" like our armchair historian Beckow would like everyone to believe, but very potent symbols used to influence the propaganda war between opposing points of view. They don't give Pulitzer prizes out for these sorts of clever creations for nothing.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    They gave the Pulitzer to some outfit for “discovering that Trump is a Russian agent“. It is an unserious joke, as is the “Nobel Price” now, (Obama, anyone? how many kids did he murder with the price on his chest?)

    Your cartoons are a low-level propaganda, not exactly what one expects on Unz. But suit yourself.

    NATO membership was not even considered a real option, no matter what was stated in Ukraine’s constitution.

    Nonsense. As early as 2008 Nato and Ukraine said that Ukraine is joining Nato – they have repeated it officially every year since then. You are lying or misguided. Having it in Constitution is not a joke – it is the highest possible level of a declared intent.

    The circus and tragedy in Ukraine started because the neo-cons wanted Ukraine in Nato to use as a cudgel against Russia. Including Crimea, with the Russian Navy out and Nato moving in. This is an obvious and essential reality acknowledged by all sides, you denying is childish.

    Many normal Ukies were not enthusiastic about Nato, but that means nothing to the neo-cons. They put in power the Ukies who would do it. Most people in Europe oppose open borders, globalist economics and trans-gender idiocy – and yet it is easily forced on them. Your faith in the influence of public opinion is naive.

    Russia never developed a viable soft power approach towards Ukraine

    That’s true and in general Russia and China have almost no soft power. It is built into the current civilization: English language, Western culture, the quality of life, tourism, music, etc…Russia has no chance with soft power. But they are very strong in hard power, and the West has stupidly switched the competition from soft to hard power. A fatal mistake.

    What the West has going for it is the absolute superiority in soft power, but they can’t win in hard power – exactly because they are too soft. Why Washington decided to stupidly move to military and economic warfare will be discussed for generations. But the odds have dramatically changed in Russia-China favor with that mistake.

    It is like the paper-rock-scissors game: if the West dominates the ‘paper’ hand why would they change it to ‘scissors’. It is almost incomprehensible. So enjoy your warmongering cartoons – soft power, indeed. That’s all you will be left with…

  681. @AP
    @Beckow


    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking – or lying – can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934
     
    The problem is that you lie about the nature of the “treaty.” It was simply an agreement to respect the Versailles border and not to attack one another. Poland made the same one with the USSR.

    The M&R Treaty was also called ‘Non-Aggression Treaty’
     
    Unlike the Polish one with Germany, the Soviet one included provisions about cooperation in the division of Europe and was followed up with economic treaties that involved the Soviets supplying the German was machine.

    You lie about the 1930’s Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany
     
    I never denied that Poland was as a nationalist dictatorship. “Open to an alliance with Germany” is a lie. The opposite is true.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time
     
    You display your historical ignorance as usual. Poland (especially when united with Ukraine) almost always defeated Russia. Russians could only defeat Poles when they had Ukrainians on their side. The last time that Poland fought with Russia, Poland defeated Russia (without Ukraine) in 1920. Poland (plus Ukraine) defeated Russia numerous times in the 15th to 17th centuries. It even captured Moscow, and although it did not keep Moscow the treaty that ended that war resulted in a lot of territory taken from Russia (so the war was a Polish win, unlike Napoleon’s loss). Poles are not Germans, Swedes, or French. They are Slavs who know how to fight Russians.

    Only in the late 18th and 19th centuries did Poles lose to Russians but that was because the Ukrainians were on the Russian side. For example the 1830 Polish uprising was crushed by a Zaporizhian Cossack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Paskevich

    Not anymore. You are re-learning an old lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    You have this touching belief that ‘Poland with Ukraine‘ will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end. 1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920 – a loss after a short delay. But go for it – many will die and eventually the odds are high that Russia will win again. Or we all go to hell together :)…

    You play with terms calling something a ‘pact’ with evil provisions, and the same thing a ‘non-aggression treaty’, it is not serious. Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument. There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930’s then that Soviets were. The 1939-41 intermezzo was after the war started – Soviets used the best strategy available to them. So did UK, France and US. Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory.

    Your objection to M-R is ahistorical: at that time it was the best among very bad options. It assured Russian victory and it also saved 1 million Jews who were evacuated before 1941. It was very costly for Poland – I agree – but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers. That’s what happens when they constantly provoke and attack stronger neighbors on behalf of remote sponsors who don’t care about them. Now they got Ukies to do the same. The result will be the same.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Most of Ukraine was already on the Soviet side even before the start of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. AP said that Poland loses when Russia and Ukraine are allied, but not when Ukraine is on Poland's side.

    The Soviets would have looked better had they not done Katyn and also done a deal with Hitler to deport all of Poland's Jews to the Soviet Union, where Stalin could have subsequently deported them en masse to the Soviet interior and thus ironically saved them from the impending Holocaust.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    You have this touching belief that ‘Poland with Ukraine‘ will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end
     
    They did not. The last time that Poland + Ukraine fought against Russia, Russia lost.

    Only after the rebellion in which Khmelnytsky removed Ukraine (at least 60% of it) from Poland and joined it to Russia, did Russia start to win.

    It’s been the historical task of the Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky. Doing so will result in the restoration of the independence of central-eastern Europe and relegation of Russia to its traditional role in Europe's periphery. Either as servant of some Asian power, or as civilizer of some eastern places.

    We are seeing this happening. You picked the wrong master.

    1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920
     
    As Mr. XYZ correctly noted, M & R involved a Russia that had already been united with 80% of Ukraine. Russia alone was defeated by Poland (and some auxiliary Polish-allied Ukrainian forces) in 1920.

    And M&R involved both Germany and the Soviets together against Poland. With Germans doing most of the fighting. Soviets just took on the Polish remnants.

    You and Russians who ascribe Soviet or Russian Empire successes (19th century, World War II) to modern Rusfed conveniently forget that Ukrainians were about 1/3 of those forces. Rusfed in contrast is like early 17th century Muscovy (often defeated by Poland-Lithuania) or 1920 Russia (defeated by Poland).

    Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument
     
    Dismissing the statement of Encyclopedia Britannica about Pilsudski repeatedly refusing to meet Hitler and refusing a German alliance as not reliable because it is supposedly British intelligence is not a valid argument.

    There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930’s then that Soviets were

     

    And yet you have never provided any such data. Yet I have shown that the Soviets provided a massive amount of material to their Nazi ally’s war machine in 1939-1941.

    Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory
     
    Oh, I never denied that being the Nazi’s ally was useful for the USSR. It’s good that you admit it.

    I only pointed out that Poland’s agreement with the Nazis was limited to border recognition and not to attack one another, while Soviets were true allies - suppliers of vital raw materials and coordinating with the division of Europe.

    but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers
     
    They paid a heavy price for choosing to fight the Nazis rather than ally with them as the Slovaks did and as the Soviets did. But if the Poles had not done so the fate of the Slavs would have been much worse. The lack of gratitude for this by Russians and their lackeys is incredible.

    Replies: @Beckow

  682. Dmitry says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    It is not a generational difference, but a difference of outlook. People such as myself, would find no difficulty at all at finding a common ground with people such as Biletskyi. When I was young, the ethnic Slav nationalists of the three post-Soviet Slav republics have formed ЗУБР, it was a loose transnational movement which acronym stands for За Украину, Беларусь и Россию. Basically, the idea was to promote a Slavic confederation in the post-Soviet space. People of the РНЕ were among the founders of the movement that existed in the early 90ies. Of course, the Noviop saw this project as threat for obvious reasons, and the West wants no unity among the Slav for potential economic and geopolitical competition reasons. The movement got hijacked by the provocateur agents and went extinct.

    Pynya's war is a Noviop war. The Noviop are not a purely RusFedian phenomenon. There are plenty of Noviop in Washington DC, not to mention Kiev. Why would I root for any Noviop faction against another fraction in a mafia turf war ? Despite me being somewhat eccentric (something I acknowledge and assume), I have some common sense left and would not express support for anyone in this gang war. And remember, in my understanding this war started in 2014 at the latest, but one could dig much deeper into the root causes of this engineered conflict between two close and brotherly Slavic populations.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It’s true the Moscow vs Kiev is reminding of “Bloods vs Crips”.

    That’s always true in your view the “non-European” software in Russia is more like most of the country and population are resources of an extractive colony, than the European nation state. Although this is also the same in many countries like Brazil.

    As for you opposing war with Ukraine, there is nothing special there. Anyone with basic morality or even nonmoral self-interest, opposes war with Ukraine. Actually question, is how anyone could support war with Ukraine. It’s bizarre to see anyone support war with Ukraine.

    Promoting a slavic confederation in the postsoviet space was one of the motives of Putin for this war. It’s not so much of guardrail for peace, as many of the most famous wars in European history were creating confederations.

    The theory of common slavic space which is popular with late Soviet people, is part of the reason our king views Ukraine as not a different nation, but instead a provincial rebellion against this king. It’s what he wrote was the motive for the war.

    Your theory Russian is invading Ukraine because there are many minority elites in the Kremlin, is not politics I could recognize from Russia. Often the elite with minority roots in the Kremlin are more liberal, internationalist, nonpatriotic i.e. non-imperialist.

    You reversed the normal patriotic view that a minority elite is fifth column in Russia, normally because they oppose the wars, you think instead because they support the wars.

    The normal view is “minority elites are not patriotic enough to support war with Ukraine.” But the normal theory of the fifth column at least matches a bit empirically attitudes of the elites, while saying “Russia invaded Ukraine because the anti-NATO views of Kudrin and Chubais” would seem like satire.

    Minority elites in the government in Russia was on average usually less “patriotic”, more based in business, on average less from KGB. Within government, which part was “patriots” are more supporting invasion of Ukraine are not systematic liberals Kudrin, Chubais, Nabiullina, Mishustin. Systematic liberals are a problem because they compromised with the imperialists, i.e. the problem was “systematic”, not “liberal”.

    Also, the multinational oligarch class, with international trades like Makhmudov, Altushkin, Derispaska will be generally negatively for the war. Prokhorov was going to the election with promise Russia will join the EU.

    I would say the strongest anti-Western movement in the government, was probably the security people, the part of the elite from KGB/Leningrad like Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, Sechin, Bortnikov, Patrushev etc.

    It’s not because they necessarily believe imperialism, but the KGB people have less ideology, while the liberal elite had still received some more Western ideology, which could have deprioritized military imperialism as the strategy.

    If Prokhorov was winning in 2012, there would not be EU and NATO membership. But Prokhorov reaction for euromaidan was less imperialist. https://md-prokhorov.livejournal.com/125177.html

    *Sanctions after 2014 already causing pain for the businesses of the old oligarchs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0mibI_Dc.

    **I don’t know how powerful people are thinking, but the general impression our people even from 1990s mafia seemed even a little simple and naive by comparison with our people from Soviet security services. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkcBIu1Gdc.

    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

    For Putin (http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 ), motivation for war against Ukraine was similarity of nationalities. This is not so illogical. Similarity of nationality increases usually the probability of conflict between nationalities. One of the common themes of history, is similar nationalities are more likely to kill each other than more different nationalities.

    Eritreans and Sudanese are more likely to kill Ethiopians, than kill Egyptians.

    Armenians are more likely to kill Azerbaijanis, than kill Russians. Armenians and Azerbaijanis are genetically the same people.

    China more likely to bomb an island with a Chinese population, than against Indians, Europeans or Africans.

    North Koreans more likely to kill South Koreans, than kill Russians.

    Croatians more likely to kill Serbs, than kill their Italian neighbors. Serbs are more likely to kill genetically identical Bosnians, than Romanians.

    Turks are more likely to kill Armenians who more similar, than kill Russians who are more different than Turks. Greeks more likely to kill Turks who are more similar to Greeks, than kill Egyptians who are more different than Greeks.

    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population.

    By the way, a lot of Palestinians are more “European” and “white” ethnically than a lot of Israelis, which is a third world immigrants’ society.

    You know the blonde Palestinian girls regularly beating the brown and Asian Israeli soldiers for the photos.

    Most Israelis are immigrants from the third world, many are as brown than Indians. So, the concept Zionism is “European colonialism”, is today related more about the transfer of culture from Europe, not the transfer of ethnicity.

    This forum is unusual, because many people say something like “brown people cannot create modern organized countries, because of genetics”.

    The motive of this view, is probably to boost the ego by imagining modern organization level to an unchanging property of the Northerners. But cultural transfer is usually correlated with genetic transfer, but it’s transfer of the culture and institutional software which allows the high organization level of the modern society.

    People in Murmansk and Norway are not different genetically, but the corruption index of Murmansk will be like Mexico, while Norway is one of the most developed societies in world history.

    People of Singapore is genetically the same as mixing East Asians of Buryatia with South Asians of Mumbai. But the life of Singapore after the late 20th century, is not like Mumbai or Buryatia, it has more European organization and legal protection than significant regions of Europe today.

    The modern state is not a very natural for humans and to be successful depends on the type of political and legal software.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry


    It’s bizarre to see anyone support war with Ukraine.
     
    You must have put kremlinstoogeA123, Beckow and Professor Tennessee all on "hide comments"?

    They all have developed their own pet theories about why the RusFed invasion of Ukraine is a positive development. Don't ever see you take any of them on for their very obtuse comments here (a shame)?...
  683. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don't care about preserving even basic things. We're in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @S

    Worth noting that Latvians (the Red Latvian Riflemen) were arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that’s assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew. The Latvian blame for Bolshevism is spread around more people, though. Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that’s assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew.
     
    His mother's name is Blank. That sounds quite Jewish, especially the spelling. The Germans typically include a "c", as in Blanck or Planck.

    So are you saying there were no Jews in the Red Army or that there were fewer Jews in the Red Army than there were Latvians?

    Are you aware of how many Russian Imperial officers actually switched to Bolsheviks? Are you aware that there were Red guards everywhere - including in Finland, Ukraine, etc.

    The Riflemen only arrived in Russia in November 1918, so a whole year after the revolution. They had to go to Russia because the Germans had taken over almost all of Latvia. Many Latvians who were in Russia at the time were in fact refugees and they were mobilized into the Red Army.

    Are you aware that there were in fact Riflemen who fought on the side of the Whites during the Civil war?


    Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.
     
    Because they wanted peace. The war was very harsh and the Latvians were the first to take the hit.

    Btw, the great role you assign to them - meaning that they were really that influential - that is quite flattering, thank you. Don't overdo it or I'll start liking them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. XYZ

  684. @AP
    @Beckow


    "Poles could have potentially had a place in a Nazi-dominated Europe similar to Hungary"

    Poland tried an alliance with Germany against Russia as early as 1934
     
    No, Poland rebuffed efforts at an alliance with Germany and only agreed to a nonaggression treaty in 1934 in which each side recognized the other's post-Versailles territory and promised not to attack the other.

    Furthermore, at the time that this pat was signed with Hitler, Poland also sent its foreign minister to the USSR to confirm a nonaggression pact with the USSR also. So it was clearly not an anti-Soviet pact. Just an agreement to recognize borders and not attack one another. You are lying again.

    You are repeating fairy tales told by Soviets to ignorant people who believe them.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    "After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. "

    Hitler was so eager for an alliance with Poland that after Pilsudski's death he came to Warsaw for the funeral. But no alliance was signed, by the stubborn Poles.

    In their place, the Slovaks would have signed an alliance. Indeed they did so. But Poles were not Slovaks.

    By refusing to join Hitler in his anti-Soviet crusade (which with Polish participation would have meant the end of the USSR and annihilation of the Soviet people), the Poles lost millions of people. Probably no nation is as lacking of gratitude towards anyone, as Russians are towards Poles, whose stubborn refusal to join the Nazis in an anti-Soviet crusade (at great price to themselves) enabled the Russians to continue to exist.

    In contrast to the limited Polish-German nonaggression pact, several pacts signed between the Soviets and Nazis indicated an actual alliance.

    The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact involved an agreement to divide Europe between themselves.

    The German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939) and German–Soviet Commercial Agreement (1940) resulted in the Soviets supplying the German war machine with raw materials and oil that were used in Germany's war against the West.

    From wiki: During both the first period of the 1940 agreement (11 February 1940 to 1941) and the second (11 February 1941 until the Pact was broken), Germany received massive quantities of raw materials, including over:[4]: 47 [5]: 

    1,500,000 metric tons (1,700,000 short tons; 1,500,000 long tons) of grains
    820,000 metric tons (900,000 short tons; 810,000 long tons) of oil
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of cotton
    130,000 metric tons (140,000 short tons; 130,000 long tons) of manganese
    180,000 metric tons (200,000 short tons; 180,000 long tons) of phosphates
    18,000 metric tons (20,000 short tons; 18,000 long tons) of chrome ore
    16,000 metric tons (18,000 short tons; 16,000 long tons) of rubber
    91,000 metric tons (100,000 short tons; 90,000 long tons) of soybeans
    450,000 metric tons (500,000 short tons; 440,000 long tons) of iron ores
    270,000 metric tons (300,000 short tons; 270,000 long tons) of scrap metal and pig iron
    200,000 kilograms (440,000 lb) of platinum

    Large amounts of crude oil were delivered, with German documents in 1940 already indicating that the Soviets had delivered crude oil at a rate of 140,000 metric tons (150,000 short tons; 140,000 long tons) a month for five months in 900 German tank cars exclusively reserved for it.

    :::::::::::::::

    That is the difference between an alliance and a mere non-aggression pact.

    Hungary scenario would have been even better for Poland since that would have also meant the survival of Polish Jews, not only of Polish Poles.

    Nonsense, Hungarian Jews were also killed
     
    They were killed only after Hungary wavered in the German alliance and sought peace with the Allies, causing the Nazis to invade and take direct control. As long as Hungary was an ally (until March 1944), its Jews were safe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Would you agree that Hungary would have been better off not seeking a separate peace with the Allies? It didn’t gain anything from this other than the prevention of Horthy’s execution, which was great for Horthy but didn’t actually give Hungary itself anything (Hungary was not allowed to keep any of its post-1937 territorial gains and even lost a tiny bit of its pre-1937 territory south of Bratislava). What this did result in, however, was the mass murder of over half of a million of Greater Hungary’s Jews. This was an especially huge shame considering just how long into the war they survived, as well as their sheer numbers.

    Poland refusing to ally with Hitler at least saved the Soviet Union and the Soviet people from getting deported east of the Urals. Hard to think of much value in the attempted Hungarian defection.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are correct. One thing I disagree about is that Horthy would have been executed had he not attempted to join the Allies. Maybe he would have, but he did not have a lot of blood on his hands like Tiso had, nor did he betray his people as Quisling did. If Horthy had managed to avoid Soviet custody, he might have ended up in exile in Spain.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  685. @Beckow
    @AP

    You have this touching belief that 'Poland with Ukraine' will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end. 1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920 - a loss after a short delay. But go for it - many will die and eventually the odds are high that Russia will win again. Or we all go to hell together :)...

    You play with terms calling something a 'pact' with evil provisions, and the same thing a 'non-aggression treaty', it is not serious. Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument. There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930's then that Soviets were. The 1939-41 intermezzo was after the war started - Soviets used the best strategy available to them. So did UK, France and US. Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory.

    Your objection to M-R is ahistorical: at that time it was the best among very bad options. It assured Russian victory and it also saved 1 million Jews who were evacuated before 1941. It was very costly for Poland - I agree - but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers. That's what happens when they constantly provoke and attack stronger neighbors on behalf of remote sponsors who don't care about them. Now they got Ukies to do the same. The result will be the same.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Most of Ukraine was already on the Soviet side even before the start of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. AP said that Poland loses when Russia and Ukraine are allied, but not when Ukraine is on Poland’s side.

    The Soviets would have looked better had they not done Katyn and also done a deal with Hitler to deport all of Poland’s Jews to the Soviet Union, where Stalin could have subsequently deported them en masse to the Soviet interior and thus ironically saved them from the impending Holocaust.

  686. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Generally, nationalism is very low or unusual for Russians.
     
    It depends on how you define it, ethno nationalism is scarce, but civic or imperial nationalism is not scarce (if one can even use the word "civic nationalism" in the case of this country).

    The reason I was talking about this, is because Morgenshtern has not always secret opposition views. But they are the generational ones, which are going across all the country in his age. It’s not something related to specific nationality.
     
    Oh, absolutely, I never said any of it is related to his nationality. I still think he has a more cosmopolitan outlook than a typical Russian. But he is liked because he is uninhibited.

    When he exiles in the end of 2021, this was one of the unavoidable historical premonitions of the change of the historical epochs.

    “The owl of Minerva spreads its wings only with the coming of the dusk.” It’s now the new epoch 2022 – which we don’t understand yet.
     
    Good description. But it's funny because they technically threw out the most popular one who was also "not good for the kids". And, yes, we don't know what will happen - it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian, but there is a slight chance that Russia will be free. Or there may even be something in between.

    “Shaman” seems a mysterious fake actor that is planted in February 2022 the government maybe astroturf for some patriotic concerts, because the young celebrities avoided these.

     

    That the young celebs avoided it, is an important piece of info. I also saw some youngish rapper fighting it out with Norkin not too long ago. It was a good display of defiance.

    Yes, Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it's funny how the Russian public, with only a few exceptions, is ok with him showing up looking like Hitler Jugend with a tricolor armband. But he is talented, with a good stage presence. But as I said, he is more likely to appeal to an older audience. He is "proper".

    You know I was going to add some more questions to the Zhigan vs. Dzhigan test. Which Putin dances in front of on television? Which performs in the Peskov family’s parties?
     
    Dima, please, spare me! :) This Zhigan test doesn't match my demographic profile, so it's a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial music mostly (so ask me about folk metal and I will pass all the tests!). All I know about those two Chechen little people is that one of them was a real chad - the one against Kadyrov, if I recall correctly. But who does that, who puts little people in MMA fights, that's brutal!

    As to the Putin question... hmmmm, my answer is that there is only one actually. I don't really believe in the whole doubles theory.

    He [Max Korzh] seems in Latvia at the moment btw.
     
    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    ow you define it, ethno nationalism is scarc

    It’s because these republics have ambiguous ideological position to promote kind of “Moscow compatible nationalism”, including for the local elites. This is like the situation in Ukraine before 1991.

    At the same time, there can be a real nationalism from fear, for especially Tatars are swallowed by the Russian nationality, so in a couple generations there won’t be many people with the Tatar identity, but millions of Russians with a great-grandparent with a Tatar name.

    it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian,

    I don’t have any predictive ability, but I feel it is becoming more reclusive, like going the same as Belarus. It doesn’t feel like there will be some instability. But again, I am always very bad in predicting politics.

    So, if you accept I am bad in predictions, 2022 seemed like a stress test and the government received a high score.

    Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it’s funny how the Russian public

    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it’s easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.

    Zhigan test doesn’t match my demographic profile, so it’s a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial

    Lol, it’s ok, this is the question for real nerds.

    Putin was giving the award to Zhigan, before he goes to prison.

    And of course Dzhigan is always with Peskov’s family, like they Peskov’s family are his own family.

    Dzhigan should be in the Ukrainian army at now, he’s from Odessa within conscription age. At least those peaceful years Kadyrov was scaring him enough with threats about MMA in Grozny, he was losing weight in the gym https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ0qfkAoXCj.

    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.

    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

    This is why I was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

     

    Hopefully if giving visas they will ignore singing "skills", for the words of songs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnAfBje1BM

    Replies: @LatW

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    because these republics
     
    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce, not the republics. It may not be as scarce as I used to think but still not that common. Maybe most Russians don't need it and are fine without it. :(

    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it’s easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.
     
    That's a very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not, because last year there was a big "patriotic" vibe. He's good though, if one can distance oneself from the ideology and what is going on. Decent voice and has had some folk singing training. But definitely it is not for the very young, more for middle age folks.

    Ok, I totally flunked your test, because, having checked out Zhigan & Dzhigan, I can confirm that it's highly unlikely they'd ever be on my radar. Sorry. :)


    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

     

    Did he openly say that this was his decision? Wow...

    I saw that some shows were cancelled. The pic in Riga is from the island with the TV station, there's a panoramic view of the old city from where he's standing, across the river. Hmmm.... he probably has friends or he may have been filming a video. He should hang more often.

    He put out a song recently, with a very touching but disturbing photo. Based on the lyrics I can tell he's ours, with us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVIWPap7X0

    Не могу...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

  687. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society.
     
    I'm sure a lot of them are not even real WNs since they do not fully follow the right principles.

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can't believe he's been able to get away with everything he's said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types. If any in his readership can be salvaged or their problems mitigated, that might be worth it, the rest can stay out in the cold.

    Replies: @Anne Lid, @S, @Triteleia Laxa

    I remember the first time I read Anglin. It was around the time fat woman threads disappeared on fark.com. I laughed aloud (I hadn’t done that for a long time reading supposedly funny stuff.) It was woman bashing.

    Anglin is a satirical writer and thus exaggerates. The best thing I have done for my son (I am not a very good mother) is hooking him onto the Daily Stormer. It is a necessary antidote to the brainwashing he is subjected to at school and almost everywhere we go.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  688. LatW says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Worth noting that Latvians (the Red Latvian Riflemen) were arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that's assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew. The Latvian blame for Bolshevism is spread around more people, though. Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.

    Replies: @LatW

    arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that’s assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew.

    His mother’s name is Blank. That sounds quite Jewish, especially the spelling. The Germans typically include a “c”, as in Blanck or Planck.

    So are you saying there were no Jews in the Red Army or that there were fewer Jews in the Red Army than there were Latvians?

    Are you aware of how many Russian Imperial officers actually switched to Bolsheviks? Are you aware that there were Red guards everywhere – including in Finland, Ukraine, etc.

    The Riflemen only arrived in Russia in November 1918, so a whole year after the revolution. They had to go to Russia because the Germans had taken over almost all of Latvia. Many Latvians who were in Russia at the time were in fact refugees and they were mobilized into the Red Army.

    Are you aware that there were in fact Riflemen who fought on the side of the Whites during the Civil war?

    Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.

    Because they wanted peace. The war was very harsh and the Latvians were the first to take the hit.

    Btw, the great role you assign to them – meaning that they were really that influential – that is quite flattering, thank you. Don’t overdo it or I’ll start liking them.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @LatW

    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power. The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

    These discussions remind me of a friend who felt guilty for her Germanic ancestors having been photographed proudly holding a Swastika in 1930s Southern Brazil. There was nothing for her to feel bad about. Not just because she is not them, but also because they did not know what would happen. They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.

    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.

    This is easier to understand if we depoliticise the topic. Who judges pre-modern doctors for recommending that their patients smoke tobacco for their health?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Weren't the Red Latvian Riflemen crucial for the crushing of the Left SR revolt in Moscow in the summer of 1918?

    And Yes, Lenin's mother was half-Jewish through her own father.

    Replies: @LatW

  689. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    ow you define it, ethno nationalism is scarc
     
    It's because these republics have ambiguous ideological position to promote kind of "Moscow compatible nationalism", including for the local elites. This is like the situation in Ukraine before 1991.

    At the same time, there can be a real nationalism from fear, for especially Tatars are swallowed by the Russian nationality, so in a couple generations there won't be many people with the Tatar identity, but millions of Russians with a great-grandparent with a Tatar name.


    it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian,
     
    I don't have any predictive ability, but I feel it is becoming more reclusive, like going the same as Belarus. It doesn't feel like there will be some instability. But again, I am always very bad in predicting politics.

    So, if you accept I am bad in predictions, 2022 seemed like a stress test and the government received a high score.


    Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it’s funny how the Russian public
     
    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it's easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.

    Zhigan test doesn’t match my demographic profile, so it’s a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial

     

    Lol, it's ok, this is the question for real nerds.

    Putin was giving the award to Zhigan, before he goes to prison.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4g_xAzqHw

    And of course Dzhigan is always with Peskov's family, like they Peskov's family are his own family.

    Dzhigan should be in the Ukrainian army at now, he's from Odessa within conscription age. At least those peaceful years Kadyrov was scaring him enough with threats about MMA in Grozny, he was losing weight in the gym https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ0qfkAoXCj.


    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.
     
    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

    This is why I was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

    was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

    Hopefully if giving visas they will ignore singing “skills”, for the words of songs.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Hopefully if giving visas they will ignore singing “skills”, for the words of songs.
     
    For those cute Slavic eyes, they should give him one. And his "singing" "skills" really crack me up, you just can't listen to that without laughing, it's made to sound deliberately immature or as if someone is singing at home or just at the friends' party. He does it on purpose, can't you tell? :)

    Geez, we posted the same song...

  690. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    ow you define it, ethno nationalism is scarc
     
    It's because these republics have ambiguous ideological position to promote kind of "Moscow compatible nationalism", including for the local elites. This is like the situation in Ukraine before 1991.

    At the same time, there can be a real nationalism from fear, for especially Tatars are swallowed by the Russian nationality, so in a couple generations there won't be many people with the Tatar identity, but millions of Russians with a great-grandparent with a Tatar name.


    it could go either way, it could become more totalitarian,
     
    I don't have any predictive ability, but I feel it is becoming more reclusive, like going the same as Belarus. It doesn't feel like there will be some instability. But again, I am always very bad in predicting politics.

    So, if you accept I am bad in predictions, 2022 seemed like a stress test and the government received a high score.


    Shaman is artificially constructed and promoted, of course. And it’s funny how the Russian public
     
    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it's easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.

    Zhigan test doesn’t match my demographic profile, so it’s a bit unfair! I listen to non-commercial

     

    Lol, it's ok, this is the question for real nerds.

    Putin was giving the award to Zhigan, before he goes to prison.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN4g_xAzqHw

    And of course Dzhigan is always with Peskov's family, like they Peskov's family are his own family.

    Dzhigan should be in the Ukrainian army at now, he's from Odessa within conscription age. At least those peaceful years Kadyrov was scaring him enough with threats about MMA in Grozny, he was losing weight in the gym https://www.instagram.com/p/CQ0qfkAoXCj.


    It looks like he visits quite often. Morgenshtern will visit in June, too.
     
    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

    This is why I was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

    Replies: @Dmitry, @LatW

    because these republics

    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce, not the republics. It may not be as scarce as I used to think but still not that common. Maybe most Russians don’t need it and are fine without it. 🙁

    [MORE]

    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it’s easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.

    That’s a very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not, because last year there was a big “patriotic” vibe. He’s good though, if one can distance oneself from the ideology and what is going on. Decent voice and has had some folk singing training. But definitely it is not for the very young, more for middle age folks.

    Ok, I totally flunked your test, because, having checked out Zhigan & Dzhigan, I can confirm that it’s highly unlikely they’d ever be on my radar. Sorry. 🙂

    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

    Did he openly say that this was his decision? Wow…

    I saw that some shows were cancelled. The pic in Riga is from the island with the TV station, there’s a panoramic view of the old city from where he’s standing, across the river. Hmmm…. he probably has friends or he may have been filming a video. He should hang more often.

    He put out a song recently, with a very touching but disturbing photo. Based on the lyrics I can tell he’s ours, with us.

    Не могу…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce
     
    As a popular saying puts it, Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Former commander of Gorlovka expressed it well: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German. So, what am I? A Russian!” There are Russian ethno-nationalists, but their popular support is marginal, in single digits. Russian ethno-nationalist must be a confused pretty dim person. Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Maybe most Russians don’t need it

     

    There is some regional variation, with anti-racism/racism having the East-West dimension.

    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it's possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.


    very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not,

     

    It's more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?

    It seems like they add thousands of the subscribers as bots in late 2021, before popular videos were published. When there were zero subscribers when his older videos were published.

    I'm also not sure it is normal subscriptions jumping in vertical lines.
    https://i.postimg.cc/g0z4hwc9/sdfsdsdddds.jpg


    he openly say that this was his decision? Wow…

    I saw that some shows were cancelled.

     

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.

    the IDF and have the children
     
    Having children in Israel is delayed and mothers are unusually old compared to other countries.

    Women are going to the army usually when they are 18-20. Then they go travel. Then they go to university.

    Average age of women having their first child in Israel is 30,6 years old.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b11xwxfyh#:~:text=Israeli%20women%20have%20an%20average,were%20born%20to%20married%20women.

    They have a kind of extended youth, so it's common to only begin the career at age 27, 28, 29.
    https://youtu.be/6OO9ohgDWpI?t=469.

    Marriage is also very expensive there and they are commonly waiting until their 30s.


    urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing).

     

    I think there can be a culture related to the Middle Eastern people. E.g. Middle Eastern singers sing love songs about their baby.

    The words of the song are saying phrases like “there is no love in the world like mother’s love” (“ayn beolam ahavah kmo ahavah shel ima”).
    https://youtu.be/D4nm614Md_Q?t=74.

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the "courtly love" ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.


    , the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic
     
    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.

    Maybe also, Israel is a third wave feminist society, as there is a less gendered society. There is less difference between the men and the women.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine tasks, cleaning the baby etc. https://youtu.be/yaWAxueuOVg?t=66.

    Replies: @LatW

  691. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    was wondering if he might have been in Latvia for immigration or just vacations ? https://t.me/s/maxkorzh

     

    Hopefully if giving visas they will ignore singing "skills", for the words of songs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wnAfBje1BM

    Replies: @LatW

    Hopefully if giving visas they will ignore singing “skills”, for the words of songs.

    For those cute Slavic eyes, they should give him one. And his “singing” “skills” really crack me up, you just can’t listen to that without laughing, it’s made to sound deliberately immature or as if someone is singing at home or just at the friends’ party. He does it on purpose, can’t you tell? 🙂

    Geez, we posted the same song…

  692. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:

    Hello all,

    I am writing a university thesis on armchair support for the antagonists in the Russian-Ukraine war.

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    I now need case-studies of individuals to make this research compelling. The specific details include what each individual wanted at the beginning of the war, what they thought would happen and how they have revised these conceptualisations since in ongoing processes and related to events.

    Given that many of the commentors here have unalterable records stretching back many years, but also that I don’t want to spend tens of hours going through them, can any individuals give an account of their own journeys on this subject?

    I would value mea culpas, opinion reversals and those who are willing to point out how the facts have changed their more general worldview most.

    Many thanks,

    M

    • Replies: @Mike_from_Russia
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Chronicle of the war in Russian
    Day by day
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1068185

    , @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.
     
    Look no further than this blog’s former host:

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1657016589441458177?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    He had possibly the most interesting and dramatic change in views, not only of the war but of his conception of RusFed during the previous year.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.
     
    If you want an interesting case-study in changing appraisals during the conflict, look no further than this blog’s former host:

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1657016589441458177?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA
  693. S says:
    @LatW
    @John Johnson


    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society.
     
    I'm sure a lot of them are not even real WNs since they do not fully follow the right principles.

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can't believe he's been able to get away with everything he's said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types. If any in his readership can be salvaged or their problems mitigated, that might be worth it, the rest can stay out in the cold.

    Replies: @Anne Lid, @S, @Triteleia Laxa

    And what can we do about the Anglin types?…

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can’t believe he’s been able to get away with everything he’s said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types.

    As you infer, Anglin is a troll, best just to be ignored.

  694. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that’s assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew.
     
    His mother's name is Blank. That sounds quite Jewish, especially the spelling. The Germans typically include a "c", as in Blanck or Planck.

    So are you saying there were no Jews in the Red Army or that there were fewer Jews in the Red Army than there were Latvians?

    Are you aware of how many Russian Imperial officers actually switched to Bolsheviks? Are you aware that there were Red guards everywhere - including in Finland, Ukraine, etc.

    The Riflemen only arrived in Russia in November 1918, so a whole year after the revolution. They had to go to Russia because the Germans had taken over almost all of Latvia. Many Latvians who were in Russia at the time were in fact refugees and they were mobilized into the Red Army.

    Are you aware that there were in fact Riflemen who fought on the side of the Whites during the Civil war?


    Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.
     
    Because they wanted peace. The war was very harsh and the Latvians were the first to take the hit.

    Btw, the great role you assign to them - meaning that they were really that influential - that is quite flattering, thank you. Don't overdo it or I'll start liking them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. XYZ

    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power. The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

    These discussions remind me of a friend who felt guilty for her Germanic ancestors having been photographed proudly holding a Swastika in 1930s Southern Brazil. There was nothing for her to feel bad about. Not just because she is not them, but also because they did not know what would happen. They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.

    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.

    This is easier to understand if we depoliticise the topic. Who judges pre-modern doctors for recommending that their patients smoke tobacco for their health?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power.
     
    This would depend on each separate person or unit and what it was exactly that they did. And maybe even where and at what time. However, in the case of the Riflemen their initial goal was not to oppress somebody in most cases (besides there were also mercenaries among them, a lot of the Riflemen were not in a great situation, since as I said, the war was very harsh and they were driven out of their homes, many of them were teenagers, although in general people did mature much faster during the Empire times).

    The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

     

    The problem is that the previous regime had tried to eliminate non-Russian, non-Orthodox nationalities in the areas where these nationalities had lived much much longer than the Slavs and the Orthodox had lived on their lands. There was the issue of the German barons as well, and as I said, the war was very harsh and many people were literally driven out of their ancestral land - the Germans were coming back to colonize fully, let's not pretend this wasn't their intention. One can admit this even if they are a Germanophile.

    They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.
     
    Again, there were a lot of different people on the pro-Nazi camp as well. Some guilty, some not. I know what you mean but the comparison with the Nazis is not adequate here. The Latvian Riflemen were essentially still subjects of the Empire so there were technically operating on their home soil. The Nazis walked into foreign soil in many cases with the intention to subjugate and to eliminate. The Nazis had not been formerly oppressed by their victims, as the Riflemen had been.

    Also, please do not view the Latvian Riflemen in isolation (this is done for propaganda reasons on this site), but remember that there were a ton of different nationalities involved there in various roles. There were Latvian Riflemen on the side of the Whites that were killed by the ChK.


    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.
     
    It's tempting to agree, but again, it would depend on the person. There were NKVDshniks that were evil, even if they thought they were doing something good (they all feel that way, there can always be easily constructed excuses). And that on principle, the fact that this ideology took over and assumed such totalitarian forms, is very unfortunate. Many leftists who had themselves fought against the Tsar were later dismayed about what the Bolsheviks were turning into. They had just wanted freedom and more decent living standards for those masses of people who came into the city. Before 1905, they used to work 12 hours a day and even children worked, I don't remember how many hours they had to work in 1917, but they had lousy living conditions plus a horrific war (most of us today would not be able to tolerate it, yet we judge). Shortage of bread, etc.

    The leftist ideas at that time had some legitimacy in the sense that many were truly oppressed and remember that these ideas were very popular in Europe, and in the Empire itself, including among upper class Russians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  695. @Triteleia Laxa
    Hello all,

    I am writing a university thesis on armchair support for the antagonists in the Russian-Ukraine war.

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    I now need case-studies of individuals to make this research compelling. The specific details include what each individual wanted at the beginning of the war, what they thought would happen and how they have revised these conceptualisations since in ongoing processes and related to events.

    Given that many of the commentors here have unalterable records stretching back many years, but also that I don't want to spend tens of hours going through them, can any individuals give an account of their own journeys on this subject?

    I would value mea culpas, opinion reversals and those who are willing to point out how the facts have changed their more general worldview most.

    Many thanks,

    M

    Replies: @Mike_from_Russia, @Yahya, @Yahya

    The Chronicle of the war in Russian
    Day by day
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1068185

  696. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @LatW
    @John Johnson


    And what can we do about the Anglin types? He unfortunately attracts a growing incel underbelly that likes to identity as White nationalist just to intimidate society.
     
    I'm sure a lot of them are not even real WNs since they do not fully follow the right principles.

    It would be ideal to not have to do anything about the Anglin types, if they could just be ignored and stayed on the margins (I can't believe he's been able to get away with everything he's said about White women, and they naively believe that Asian women will take their crap). The normal people could just move on and leave these types. If any in his readership can be salvaged or their problems mitigated, that might be worth it, the rest can stay out in the cold.

    Replies: @Anne Lid, @S, @Triteleia Laxa

    The recent Mestizo shooter with the Nazi tattoos summed up the problem of WN movements in his own words when he wrote “of course I love the Nazis, I love all evil things.”

    WN as a designated “evil” movement ends up attracting many people who are drawn to anything designated evil, which then reinforces its evil image.

    The solution is twofold: to ruthlessly shun these types and to present as relentlessly kind, compassionate and otherwise positive.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The solution is twofold: to ruthlessly shun these types and to present as relentlessly kind, compassionate and otherwise positive.
     
    This is a good approach. By the way, in Europe and even in Russia, there is a lot of confusion among the ranks of nationalists. The more disciplined and pure Russian & EE nationalists complain about this sometimes, because there are weird personalities floating around and those personalities often try to take central stage. This has been a problem for a long time. I think it's because these orgs are not militarized enough, do not have proper subordination and all kinds of crazies are allowed to hijack the ideology and act on their own.
  697. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    You have this touching belief that 'Poland with Ukraine' will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end. 1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920 - a loss after a short delay. But go for it - many will die and eventually the odds are high that Russia will win again. Or we all go to hell together :)...

    You play with terms calling something a 'pact' with evil provisions, and the same thing a 'non-aggression treaty', it is not serious. Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument. There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930's then that Soviets were. The 1939-41 intermezzo was after the war started - Soviets used the best strategy available to them. So did UK, France and US. Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory.

    Your objection to M-R is ahistorical: at that time it was the best among very bad options. It assured Russian victory and it also saved 1 million Jews who were evacuated before 1941. It was very costly for Poland - I agree - but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers. That's what happens when they constantly provoke and attack stronger neighbors on behalf of remote sponsors who don't care about them. Now they got Ukies to do the same. The result will be the same.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You have this touching belief that ‘Poland with Ukraine‘ will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end

    They did not. The last time that Poland + Ukraine fought against Russia, Russia lost.

    Only after the rebellion in which Khmelnytsky removed Ukraine (at least 60% of it) from Poland and joined it to Russia, did Russia start to win.

    It’s been the historical task of the Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky. Doing so will result in the restoration of the independence of central-eastern Europe and relegation of Russia to its traditional role in Europe’s periphery. Either as servant of some Asian power, or as civilizer of some eastern places.

    We are seeing this happening. You picked the wrong master.

    1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920

    As Mr. XYZ correctly noted, M & R involved a Russia that had already been united with 80% of Ukraine. Russia alone was defeated by Poland (and some auxiliary Polish-allied Ukrainian forces) in 1920.

    And M&R involved both Germany and the Soviets together against Poland. With Germans doing most of the fighting. Soviets just took on the Polish remnants.

    You and Russians who ascribe Soviet or Russian Empire successes (19th century, World War II) to modern Rusfed conveniently forget that Ukrainians were about 1/3 of those forces. Rusfed in contrast is like early 17th century Muscovy (often defeated by Poland-Lithuania) or 1920 Russia (defeated by Poland).

    Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument

    Dismissing the statement of Encyclopedia Britannica about Pilsudski repeatedly refusing to meet Hitler and refusing a German alliance as not reliable because it is supposedly British intelligence is not a valid argument.

    There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930’s then that Soviets were

    And yet you have never provided any such data. Yet I have shown that the Soviets provided a massive amount of material to their Nazi ally’s war machine in 1939-1941.

    Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory

    Oh, I never denied that being the Nazi’s ally was useful for the USSR. It’s good that you admit it.

    I only pointed out that Poland’s agreement with the Nazis was limited to border recognition and not to attack one another, while Soviets were true allies – suppliers of vital raw materials and coordinating with the division of Europe.

    but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers

    They paid a heavy price for choosing to fight the Nazis rather than ally with them as the Slovaks did and as the Soviets did. But if the Poles had not done so the fate of the Slavs would have been much worse. The lack of gratitude for this by Russians and their lackeys is incredible.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.
     
    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks. (Right there with your fond memories of the murderous Habsburg bastards.) It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths and on thick-as-a-brick propaganda that they are blissfully unaware off.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that - the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason? Let's see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers and would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2.

    You are peeing into a hurricane and thinking it does something. The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat, the Western haters and papists have tried it for centuries - and failed.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles - but it is interesting that it floats through your mind: instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians. And of course, to Belorussians, Russified-Ukies, and Jews - that was the Nazi deal and came with the joining them. You are subconsciously unhinged, and that goes back to your mis-education.

    Refightiong the 17th century Khmelnitsky treason - that is just so precious. I think you will be disappointed...:)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

  698. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Among other tasks, I believe the NeoNazis in Ukraine are used to pressure (i.e. murder) people who are not anti-Russia or pro-Maidan, including politicians and business leaders. They also round up cannon fodder. They operate outside the law with the approval of the government so there do not need to be so many of them. But I think you are correct, the Ukrainian NeoNazi ranks may expand in the unlikely event Ukraine has any real successes.

    I never said anything about NeoNazi ranks expanding.

    I'm not convinced of this NeoNazi group you speak of that is involved in high level politics. There are NeoNazis in every European country but I see no reason to believe that some specific group is controlling Ukrainian politics.

    How about naming the top 5 NeoNazi leaders of this group.

    It will be interesting to see where the surviving NeoNazis go to hide out once this is over. I wonder if Kolomoisky can get them into Israel?

    So you believe that there are not only NeoNazis in Ukrainian politics but the goverment will eventually collapse? Do you realize that Ukraine is getting over 250 tanks and over 100 striker vehicles? You think there is a chance that Russia can not only defeat all this armor but also crawl back to Kiev and defeat the locally armed population? I just watched a video of a Ukrainian T-72 chase down a Russian in Bakhmut. The armor hasn't arrived and the Russians are doing poorly.

    Answer: No chance in hell.

    Replies: @QCIC

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little, but they seem to be motivated ideological thugs who are used to suppress dissent against Western-approved government policies.

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there. On the other hand, I think they will level the place if it comes down to that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little

    Ok so you can't name any of these NeoNazis.

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    The Russians are literally pulling tanks from museums and taking them to the front.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war instead of taking it to the question of:

    What happens when a modern Leopard engages a T-55 manned by drunk recruits?

    All the Ukrainians have to do is punch a hole in the line and Russian morale will collapse even further. That will make it clear that Putin does not know what he is doing and Bakhmut is not a trap as Russian State TV claims.

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there.

    Well I guess you don't follow the war outside of Unz. During the invasion of Kiev the Russians dropped Spetsnaz around the city and they were gunned down by the locals. They also tried to capture an airport in an urban center and were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. There was also a massive tank battle in the burbs of Kiev.

    The war in fact started with a Russian missile hitting an apartment tower. That was captured on CCTV. They killed a pregnant woman.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don't want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022. Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

  699. @A123
    @songbird


    Thought that A123’s religious community meets on Saturdays, and it is already verging on Monday over there, where he is.
     
    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched. There is only one, and the head office sent a Leftoid nutter to run the place when the competent minister retired. Families with children spend a good 30-45 minutes driving to one of the non-woke churches in adjacent towns.

    My well intentioned attempt at "Beer & Bible" did not pan out as intended. A bit more beer and much less Bible. It is more of an opening prayer before The Drinking. Though we did rescue a few people from the horror of NFL watching, so at that level it is a minor win.

    Gay Tranny beer is of course forbidden. The surprise to me was RED HOOK. When did that happen? Leinenkugel has been sold to Coors, so it is safe.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://cdn0.wideopeneats.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/beer-brands-full-size.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Matra, @songbird, @Mr. Hack

    I think that I have mentioned that I have been de-churched.

    Said by somebody that has tried to cast aspersion on the OCU. What a strange form of egotistical Christianity our kremlin stooge must practice. The gospels have this to say about the Church:

    Ephesians 5:29-30
    for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body.

    The gospels are ladened with information about the Church and Christ’s role as the bridgroom to his church, where does one begin? Yet super-Christian kremlinstoogeA123 has been “de-churched”. Like so much that he tries to pass off as wisdom, once examined, it’s all just nonsense. 🙁

  700. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's true the Moscow vs Kiev is reminding of "Bloods vs Crips".

    That's always true in your view the "non-European" software in Russia is more like most of the country and population are resources of an extractive colony, than the European nation state. Although this is also the same in many countries like Brazil.

    As for you opposing war with Ukraine, there is nothing special there. Anyone with basic morality or even nonmoral self-interest, opposes war with Ukraine. Actually question, is how anyone could support war with Ukraine. It's bizarre to see anyone support war with Ukraine.

    Promoting a slavic confederation in the postsoviet space was one of the motives of Putin for this war. It's not so much of guardrail for peace, as many of the most famous wars in European history were creating confederations.

    The theory of common slavic space which is popular with late Soviet people, is part of the reason our king views Ukraine as not a different nation, but instead a provincial rebellion against this king. It's what he wrote was the motive for the war.

    Your theory Russian is invading Ukraine because there are many minority elites in the Kremlin, is not politics I could recognize from Russia. Often the elite with minority roots in the Kremlin are more liberal, internationalist, nonpatriotic i.e. non-imperialist.

    You reversed the normal patriotic view that a minority elite is fifth column in Russia, normally because they oppose the wars, you think instead because they support the wars.

    The normal view is "minority elites are not patriotic enough to support war with Ukraine." But the normal theory of the fifth column at least matches a bit empirically attitudes of the elites, while saying "Russia invaded Ukraine because the anti-NATO views of Kudrin and Chubais" would seem like satire.

    Minority elites in the government in Russia was on average usually less "patriotic", more based in business, on average less from KGB. Within government, which part was "patriots" are more supporting invasion of Ukraine are not systematic liberals Kudrin, Chubais, Nabiullina, Mishustin. Systematic liberals are a problem because they compromised with the imperialists, i.e. the problem was "systematic", not "liberal".

    Also, the multinational oligarch class, with international trades like Makhmudov, Altushkin, Derispaska will be generally negatively for the war. Prokhorov was going to the election with promise Russia will join the EU.

    I would say the strongest anti-Western movement in the government, was probably the security people, the part of the elite from KGB/Leningrad like Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, Sechin, Bortnikov, Patrushev etc.

    It's not because they necessarily believe imperialism, but the KGB people have less ideology, while the liberal elite had still received some more Western ideology, which could have deprioritized military imperialism as the strategy.

    If Prokhorov was winning in 2012, there would not be EU and NATO membership. But Prokhorov reaction for euromaidan was less imperialist. https://md-prokhorov.livejournal.com/125177.html

    -

    *Sanctions after 2014 already causing pain for the businesses of the old oligarchs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0mibI_Dc.

    **I don't know how powerful people are thinking, but the general impression our people even from 1990s mafia seemed even a little simple and naive by comparison with our people from Soviet security services. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTkcBIu1Gdc.


    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population. Serbs and Croats or Russians and Ukrainians come to mind.

     

    For Putin (http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 ), motivation for war against Ukraine was similarity of nationalities. This is not so illogical. Similarity of nationality increases usually the probability of conflict between nationalities. One of the common themes of history, is similar nationalities are more likely to kill each other than more different nationalities.

    Eritreans and Sudanese are more likely to kill Ethiopians, than kill Egyptians.

    Armenians are more likely to kill Azerbaijanis, than kill Russians. Armenians and Azerbaijanis are genetically the same people.

    China more likely to bomb an island with a Chinese population, than against Indians, Europeans or Africans.

    North Koreans more likely to kill South Koreans, than kill Russians.

    Croatians more likely to kill Serbs, than kill their Italian neighbors. Serbs are more likely to kill genetically identical Bosnians, than Romanians.

    Turks are more likely to kill Armenians who more similar, than kill Russians who are more different than Turks. Greeks more likely to kill Turks who are more similar to Greeks, than kill Egyptians who are more different than Greeks.


    The genetics of both populations are quite similar. There’s a genetic influence of European bloodlines on the Ashkenazi side, but other than that, they are basically the same population.

     

    By the way, a lot of Palestinians are more "European" and "white" ethnically than a lot of Israelis, which is a third world immigrants' society.

    You know the blonde Palestinian girls regularly beating the brown and Asian Israeli soldiers for the photos.

    https://timesofislamabad.com/digital_images/large/2017-12-19/israeli-army-arrest-girl-after-she-slapped-israeli-soldier-in-west-bank-1514369116-7966.jpg

    https://theintercept.imgix.net/wp-uploads/sites/1/2018/07/AP_18042356494255edit-1532984363.jpg

    Most Israelis are immigrants from the third world, many are as brown than Indians. So, the concept Zionism is "European colonialism", is today related more about the transfer of culture from Europe, not the transfer of ethnicity.

    This forum is unusual, because many people say something like "brown people cannot create modern organized countries, because of genetics".

    The motive of this view, is probably to boost the ego by imagining modern organization level to an unchanging property of the Northerners. But cultural transfer is usually correlated with genetic transfer, but it's transfer of the culture and institutional software which allows the high organization level of the modern society.

    People in Murmansk and Norway are not different genetically, but the corruption index of Murmansk will be like Mexico, while Norway is one of the most developed societies in world history.

    People of Singapore is genetically the same as mixing East Asians of Buryatia with South Asians of Mumbai. But the life of Singapore after the late 20th century, is not like Mumbai or Buryatia, it has more European organization and legal protection than significant regions of Europe today.

    The modern state is not a very natural for humans and to be successful depends on the type of political and legal software.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s bizarre to see anyone support war with Ukraine.

    You must have put kremlinstoogeA123, Beckow and Professor Tennessee all on “hide comments”?

    They all have developed their own pet theories about why the RusFed invasion of Ukraine is a positive development. Don’t ever see you take any of them on for their very obtuse comments here (a shame)?…

  701. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Worth noting that Hitler didn't kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was. (King Michael's Coup came very unexpectedly and months after Hungary tried to switch sides, and its sheer unexpectedness prevented the Nazis from effectively reacting to it by occupying Romania like they previously did with Hungary.)

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them. In real life, he was only able to save a majority of the Jews of Budapest, and even then in large part because the Nazis and the Arrow Cross simply (and extremely fortunately!) ran out of time to murder all of them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Worth noting that Hitler didn’t kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was.

    You are talking about the remaining Jews of Bulgaria.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2012/how-bulgaria-saved-its-jews

    Romania was a collaborator:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

    Bulgaria had 50k Jews while Hungary had 500k. It was more likely a decision based on economics than loyalty.

    Hungary had the last large population within the reach of the Hitler. As I pointed out before he used troops to take Hungary and round up Jews instead of protecting German women. He knew the war was lost and chose to kill Jews rather than protect Germans.

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them.

    It’s the fault of Horthy that Hitler killed Hungary’s Jews even though that was Hitler’s plan for every European country?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Yes, Romania was a collaborator in the Holocaust but not a total one. The Jews of southern Transylvania and the Romanian Old Kingdom territories were overwhelmingly spared from the Holocaust, after all, and their total population was slightly over 300,000, if I recall correctly. (Also, something like 50,000 Jews in Bessarabia combined with Bukovina survived the Holocaust, with slightly over 15,000 of them being in Chernivtsi. That's also counted if one looks at Greater Romania.) Was Greater Hungary simply a more lucrative target because it had around 800,000-900,000 surviving Jews rather than "only" 300,000-400,000 surviving Jews in Greater Romania? Or was Horthy's lack of continued loyalty vs. Antonescu's continued loyalty a more important factor here?

    Worth noting that the Germans actually did have contingency plans to occupy Romania during World War II (called Operation Margarethe II) but never actually carried them out, unlike with Hungary (Operation Margarethe I):

    https://codenames.info/operation/margarethe-ii/

    As for Bulgaria, the Jews within Bulgaria's pre-1939 borders almost completely survived the Holocaust, IIRC. But you're right that there were only around 50,000 of them in total.

  702. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Would you agree that Hungary would have been better off not seeking a separate peace with the Allies? It didn't gain anything from this other than the prevention of Horthy's execution, which was great for Horthy but didn't actually give Hungary itself anything (Hungary was not allowed to keep any of its post-1937 territorial gains and even lost a tiny bit of its pre-1937 territory south of Bratislava). What this did result in, however, was the mass murder of over half of a million of Greater Hungary's Jews. This was an especially huge shame considering just how long into the war they survived, as well as their sheer numbers.

    Poland refusing to ally with Hitler at least saved the Soviet Union and the Soviet people from getting deported east of the Urals. Hard to think of much value in the attempted Hungarian defection.

    Replies: @AP

    You are correct. One thing I disagree about is that Horthy would have been executed had he not attempted to join the Allies. Maybe he would have, but he did not have a lot of blood on his hands like Tiso had, nor did he betray his people as Quisling did. If Horthy had managed to avoid Soviet custody, he might have ended up in exile in Spain.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Horthy's hands weren't fully bloodless, but Yes, they were certainly much less bloody than Antonescu's, for instance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad_raid

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamianets-Podilskyi_massacre

    Ironically, though, I suspect that more of Romania's Jews (for instance, the overwhelming majority of the Jews in the former Old Kingdom of Romania territories) ended up surviving the Holocaust relative to Greater Hungary's Jews, even in percentage terms, because Antonescu remained loyal to Hitler up to the very end, unlike Horthy, and thus managed to have Romania avoid Hungary's fate of outright direct German occupation.

  703. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little, but they seem to be motivated ideological thugs who are used to suppress dissent against Western-approved government policies.

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What's a few more?

    I don't think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there. On the other hand, I think they will level the place if it comes down to that.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little

    Ok so you can’t name any of these NeoNazis.

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    The Russians are literally pulling tanks from museums and taking them to the front.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war instead of taking it to the question of:

    What happens when a modern Leopard engages a T-55 manned by drunk recruits?

    All the Ukrainians have to do is punch a hole in the line and Russian morale will collapse even further. That will make it clear that Putin does not know what he is doing and Bakhmut is not a trap as Russian State TV claims.

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there.

    Well I guess you don’t follow the war outside of Unz. During the invasion of Kiev the Russians dropped Spetsnaz around the city and they were gunned down by the locals. They also tried to capture an airport in an urban center and were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. There was also a massive tank battle in the burbs of Kiev.

    The war in fact started with a Russian missile hitting an apartment tower. That was captured on CCTV. They killed a pregnant woman.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don’t want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022. Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I don't read Ukrainian, maybe Hack can help you with names of Ukrainian NeoNazis. Search on "followers of Stepan Bandera".

    Yes, I heard there was some combat around Kiev which confused many people, partially because at the time the Russians seemed to have some confusion of their own. This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia. Some of your Ukrainian NeoNazi darlings were probably involved.

    I thought the apartment building in Kiev was accidentally damaged by a Ukrainian Buk missile similar to the one Ukrainians used in 2014 to shoot down the MH17 passenger airliner (probably not accidental).

    My understanding is that oligarchs such as Kolomoisky funded Zelensky's campaign after previously casting him in a Ukrainian TV show. In the show he played a teacher against corruption who became President. Now in real life he plays a corrupt war President very convincingly.

    Whatever you think about Ukraine and Russia, it is not worth nuclear war. Unfortunately, if the West pushes hard enough Russia might be forced to go down this path. Not to mention the fact that the West has used this conflict as an excuse to increase censorship and media lies. Truth is the first casualty in War. Great job, morons.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Your comments are like a breath of fresh air here. Where have you been in the past? Always enjoy reading your posts!

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?
     
    Because his platform of regaining lost territories by peaceful negotiations was supported by ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    Ok so you can’t name any of these NeoNazis.
     
    The AZOV veterans who who in 2019 staged noisy demoes and threatened Zelensky that if he signed the Paris agreement for autonomy for the Donbass (entailing it being able to veto Ukrainian Nato membership), he would return from Paris an ex-President.

    Even MacGregor
     
    He has never looked well, and his analysis has been shaky.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its “not fair” that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back. {...]

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing?
     

    When are you going accept that Ukraine's backers understand they can't have it both ways. Either Russia is going to lose conventionally and capitulate or not. Given that it has been backward for half a millennium and is up against the world's most advanced and powerful economy plus almost all of Europe's military inventory the eventual conventionall warfare outcome is quite certainly going to be the immediate elimination of Russia as a power comparable to the US and Chna.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war
     
    He is being offered only capitulation--complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don’t want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022.
     
    Do the denizens of east Donbass want rule from Kiev?

    Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev
     
    For the sake of argument, and putting Crimea to one side for the moment, were Ukraine to recover the Donbass there would be a massive insurgency among the millions of ethnic Russians who live there. Ukraine is going to be in effect partitioned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

  704. S says:

    Every now and again a major event takes place that many people will afterward ponder if there was perhaps and underlying ‘message’ or ‘meaning’ to.

    A relatively recent example of this type of thing was the space shuttle Columbia disaster in 2003 which occurred over Palestine, TX:

    Khttps://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90879&page=1#:~:text=At a time when America is preparing to,had fallen in a town called Palestine%2C Texas.

    https://davidstent.org/from-palestine-to-columbia-2/

    I would propose another of this type of an event might prove to be the alleged Bryan Kohberger quadruple murder of six months ago.

    The mystery of the murders, which captivated the people of the United States and many outside of the country for weeks, took place on an early November morning at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho.

    In Freemasonry’s global war against autarky, royalty (ie ‘kingship’), and in the West, against Roman Catholicism, and in it’s promotion of (at least theoretical) wholly secularized republics, ‘the killing of the king’ as it is called, is a major concept within the secret society.

    The assassination of the Catholic John F Kennedy on 11/22/63, who, as with his political family, had become almost like royalty in the United States, has been perceived by some as a ritualized manifestation of this Masonic ideal, in the form of the spectacle of a modern public execution/beheading.

    So important is the concept within the secret society, a now defunct Masonic website had recommended first seeing, out of a list of ten movies all Freemasons should go see, the 2003 British film To Kill a King which is about the English Civil War, the execution of King Charles I in 1649, and the founding of the Commonwealth of England (a republic) that very same year.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England

    [Lastly, check out Masonry’s ‘G’ symbol and compare it to photographs of the stylized ‘G’ of Bryan Kohberger’s apartment block he was living in at the time of the alleged murders.]

    If there was any underlying symbolic meaning in the ghastly events this past November in Moscow, Idaho, my takeaway would be that it might potentially signal the coming assassination of an important political personage (a type of autarky advocating Czar/king in the form of Putin?) in Moscow, RusFed.

    Below is from the 2003 film To Kill a King. Besides King Charles I dying that day, something also would seem to have died within the hearts of the English people that day as well. 🙁

    Upon the execution of King Charles I, according to observer Philip Henry, a moan “as I never heard before and desire I may never hear again” arose from the assembled crowd…

    • Replies: @S
    @S

    That first link in my previous post should have been:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90879&page=1

  705. @S
    Every now and again a major event takes place that many people will afterward ponder if there was perhaps and underlying 'message' or 'meaning' to.

    A relatively recent example of this type of thing was the space shuttle Columbia disaster in 2003 which occurred over Palestine, TX:

    Khttps://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90879&page=1#:~:text=At a time when America is preparing to,had fallen in a town called Palestine%2C Texas.

    https://davidstent.org/from-palestine-to-columbia-2/

    I would propose another of this type of an event might prove to be the alleged Bryan Kohberger quadruple murder of six months ago.

    The mystery of the murders, which captivated the people of the United States and many outside of the country for weeks, took place on an early November morning at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho.

    In Freemasonry's global war against autarky, royalty (ie 'kingship'), and in the West, against Roman Catholicism, and in it's promotion of (at least theoretical) wholly secularized republics, 'the killing of the king' as it is called, is a major concept within the secret society.

    The assassination of the Catholic John F Kennedy on 11/22/63, who, as with his political family, had become almost like royalty in the United States, has been perceived by some as a ritualized manifestation of this Masonic ideal, in the form of the spectacle of a modern public execution/beheading.

    So important is the concept within the secret society, a now defunct Masonic website had recommended first seeing, out of a list of ten movies all Freemasons should go see, the 2003 British film To Kill a King which is about the English Civil War, the execution of King Charles I in 1649, and the founding of the Commonwealth of England (a republic) that very same year.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_I_of_England

    [Lastly, check out Masonry's 'G' symbol and compare it to photographs of the stylized 'G' of Bryan Kohberger's apartment block he was living in at the time of the alleged murders.]

    If there was any underlying symbolic meaning in the ghastly events this past November in Moscow, Idaho, my takeaway would be that it might potentially signal the coming assassination of an important political personage (a type of autarky advocating Czar/king in the form of Putin?) in Moscow, RusFed.

    Below is from the 2003 film To Kill a King. Besides King Charles I dying that day, something also would seem to have died within the hearts of the English people that day as well. :-(


    Upon the execution of King Charles I, according to observer Philip Henry, a moan "as I never heard before and desire I may never hear again" arose from the assembled crowd...

    https://youtu.be/hS0owFcvz40

    Replies: @S

    That first link in my previous post should have been:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90879&page=1

  706. @Triteleia Laxa
    Hello all,

    I am writing a university thesis on armchair support for the antagonists in the Russian-Ukraine war.

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    I now need case-studies of individuals to make this research compelling. The specific details include what each individual wanted at the beginning of the war, what they thought would happen and how they have revised these conceptualisations since in ongoing processes and related to events.

    Given that many of the commentors here have unalterable records stretching back many years, but also that I don't want to spend tens of hours going through them, can any individuals give an account of their own journeys on this subject?

    I would value mea culpas, opinion reversals and those who are willing to point out how the facts have changed their more general worldview most.

    Many thanks,

    M

    Replies: @Mike_from_Russia, @Yahya, @Yahya

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    Look no further than this blog’s former host:

    He had possibly the most interesting and dramatic change in views, not only of the war but of his conception of RusFed during the previous year.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Yahya

    The recent dynamics seem plausible as some form of Maskirovka. By design the dynamics may be impossible for outsiders to correctly sort out.

    On the other hand, this has been going on for a long time in the Putin Kremlin, so there is probably more in play.

    I think Karlin was (is?) too literal to process this stuff. Eventually his brain may have shorted out ;(

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  707. @Triteleia Laxa
    Hello all,

    I am writing a university thesis on armchair support for the antagonists in the Russian-Ukraine war.

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    I now need case-studies of individuals to make this research compelling. The specific details include what each individual wanted at the beginning of the war, what they thought would happen and how they have revised these conceptualisations since in ongoing processes and related to events.

    Given that many of the commentors here have unalterable records stretching back many years, but also that I don't want to spend tens of hours going through them, can any individuals give an account of their own journeys on this subject?

    I would value mea culpas, opinion reversals and those who are willing to point out how the facts have changed their more general worldview most.

    Many thanks,

    M

    Replies: @Mike_from_Russia, @Yahya, @Yahya

    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.

    If you want an interesting case-study in changing appraisals during the conflict, look no further than this blog’s former host:

  708. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    After the war the USSR also stupidly gave Poland Western Prussia and Danzig...as well as a big chunk of Eastern Germany.
     
    Most important was Silesia. If East Germany kept Silesia, the recent history would be very different: it would tie Germans more to the east and Poland would be weaker. Poland took larger part of East Prussia and Lithuania a smaller part. Russia took the rest.

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there - it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as 'justice' after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    It is hard to comprehend what the Soviets were doing there – it was impulsive and self-defeating. They saw it as ‘justice’ after what happened in WW2. In retrospect it was fatal. You can never please the Poles, more you give them, more they hate you. It is their low self-esteem combined with entitlement.

    I certainly agree with you in principle – Polish dickheads did not deserve to gain ANY territory from post-WW2. But I think Soviet decisions on post-WW2 borders were logical and mostly reasonable and intelligent decision making ( for the time) . Redrawing borders was not as complex as for kavkaz and central Asia….but it was still very difficult puzzle. What borders Germany is now is directly linked like a chain to the modern-day borders of Moldova via 7 other states.

    I am sure you know this anyway, but to show how complicated:

    Poland lost territory ( that it stole) from Belarus, and lost Galicia to Ukraine, lost territory to Lithuania. Baltic coast regained, given much german land, shared access of Vistula spit (inlands could and should have given USSR to itself)

    UkraineSSR gets Moldovan, Romanian, Polish, Hungarian,Slovak land

    Romania (Nazi partner before changing) loses north Bukovina to Ukraine, gains Transylvania from Hungary (Nazi partner), loses Bessarabia (Moldova)…still has Black Sea access

    Czechoslovakia regains land seized by the Germans

    Germany of course conceded land to Czechs, Russia, Lithuania, Poland

    Lithuanian SSR gets Polish and german territory

    Moldova effectively lost most of Bessarabia after Civil war, the SSR created after 1921 being Pridnestrovie as it is now. It gains all of this back from M-R pact…..but then after reoccupation during GPW, a big part of its historical land ( Izmail region – Islamic name from Ottoman rule) is given to Ukrainian SSR after 1945 – so Moldova is completely cut away from Black Sea coastline then after 1991

    I believe it entirely plausible that the Soviets were forward thinking, and trying to ensure that any future problem would be with Polish retards and whatever future Germany…i.e they were solving the problem of rabid ( but limp-wristed) poles either trying to invade Russia or trying to cause mass trouble inside it for centuries. In addition to saving Poland,……mass evicting them from western Belarus and Ukraine into normal Poland and german Poland should, in theory, have transferred this tension and problem for generations away from Russia
    I can only think, other than Poles being deranged losers, the reason for it not happening like this was because of Polish diaspora in US being entirely anti-Russia/anti-communist type……..and German diaspora ( which should have been significant) effectively extinct as a lobbying or political-demographic entity in US for 100 years.

    Even after 1991, you would have to assume that other than Poland v Germany problem , it would have been logical to assume Poland vs Banderatards in Galicia problem.
    Here Poland’s weakness became it’s “strength” and Russia’s strength became it’s weakness. Even until 2014 Poland’s “soft power” in 404 was non-existant, despite Poland’s EU status for 10 years and everyone knowing in Galicia and rest of Ukraine knowing that Poland is objectively a far better place to live and work with better roads/hospitals etc than Banderastan….very small amount of ukrops were working in or visiting Poland ( even from the west regions). Galicia far more integrated at civilian and business level with Russians than they were with Poles, from my experiences. It didn’t require any EU Association agreement for there to be millions of ukrops working in Poland….but still they were near non-existant. That’s because of course Poles are Poles, the history and the complete lack of cultural/entertainment etc attraction of Poland to Ukrainians.

    I think , their lunatic, US-cuckhold slimeball “elite” focused less on positive ukraine-Poland relations ( even with Euro 2012) …but on negative Poland vs Russia relations after the millenium as a method of weakening Russia-Banderastan relationship, Russia vs west and via this indirect method…..increasing there relation with 404. I suppose its this indirect method that got them into (deserved ) big disaster in 1939.

    So some decisions on borders were based on justice, others on ethnic majority preference…..and others on certain practical considerations

    Every country should be eternally grateful to USSR for these new borders they received in 1989/1991 because of Stalin/Khrushev decisions. Except Nazi partner Hungary and Germany…..and except Moldova which lost access to Black Sea (almost certainly because of fact that ukrops dominated USSR governance and wanted Izmail region more directly linked to Black Sea/Azov mass industrial base )- not even a Poland-style post-WW1 corridor. It’s no coincidence that, though only symbolic for the time, Izmail Oblast was abolished and incorporated into Odessa oblast in 1954 – 300th anniversary and of course when Khrushchev gave Crimea to ukrainiain SSR.

  709. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    because these republics
     
    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce, not the republics. It may not be as scarce as I used to think but still not that common. Maybe most Russians don't need it and are fine without it. :(

    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it’s easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.
     
    That's a very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not, because last year there was a big "patriotic" vibe. He's good though, if one can distance oneself from the ideology and what is going on. Decent voice and has had some folk singing training. But definitely it is not for the very young, more for middle age folks.

    Ok, I totally flunked your test, because, having checked out Zhigan & Dzhigan, I can confirm that it's highly unlikely they'd ever be on my radar. Sorry. :)


    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

     

    Did he openly say that this was his decision? Wow...

    I saw that some shows were cancelled. The pic in Riga is from the island with the TV station, there's a panoramic view of the old city from where he's standing, across the river. Hmmm.... he probably has friends or he may have been filming a video. He should hang more often.

    He put out a song recently, with a very touching but disturbing photo. Based on the lyrics I can tell he's ours, with us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVIWPap7X0

    Не могу...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce

    As a popular saying puts it, Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Former commander of Gorlovka expressed it well: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German. So, what am I? A Russian!” There are Russian ethno-nationalists, but their popular support is marginal, in single digits. Russian ethno-nationalist must be a confused pretty dim person. Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN


    Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.
     
    A clarification: even relatively big nations can slide down to rabid ethno-nationalism, but that happens only to nations with a severe inferiority complex. Nations that are sure of themselves never fall this low.
    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian nationalism is similar to Iranian, Indian or Chinese nationalism. It's a quilt, not a blanket.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  710. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little

    Ok so you can't name any of these NeoNazis.

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    The Russians are literally pulling tanks from museums and taking them to the front.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war instead of taking it to the question of:

    What happens when a modern Leopard engages a T-55 manned by drunk recruits?

    All the Ukrainians have to do is punch a hole in the line and Russian morale will collapse even further. That will make it clear that Putin does not know what he is doing and Bakhmut is not a trap as Russian State TV claims.

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there.

    Well I guess you don't follow the war outside of Unz. During the invasion of Kiev the Russians dropped Spetsnaz around the city and they were gunned down by the locals. They also tried to capture an airport in an urban center and were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. There was also a massive tank battle in the burbs of Kiev.

    The war in fact started with a Russian missile hitting an apartment tower. That was captured on CCTV. They killed a pregnant woman.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don't want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022. Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    I don’t read Ukrainian, maybe Hack can help you with names of Ukrainian NeoNazis. Search on “followers of Stepan Bandera”.

    Yes, I heard there was some combat around Kiev which confused many people, partially because at the time the Russians seemed to have some confusion of their own. This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia. Some of your Ukrainian NeoNazi darlings were probably involved.

    I thought the apartment building in Kiev was accidentally damaged by a Ukrainian Buk missile similar to the one Ukrainians used in 2014 to shoot down the MH17 passenger airliner (probably not accidental).

    My understanding is that oligarchs such as Kolomoisky funded Zelensky’s campaign after previously casting him in a Ukrainian TV show. In the show he played a teacher against corruption who became President. Now in real life he plays a corrupt war President very convincingly.

    Whatever you think about Ukraine and Russia, it is not worth nuclear war. Unfortunately, if the West pushes hard enough Russia might be forced to go down this path. Not to mention the fact that the West has used this conflict as an excuse to increase censorship and media lies. Truth is the first casualty in War. Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha
     
    A hard claim to make because there were plenty of people in Bucha who saw who was doing what.

    Serious question: do you believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @LatW
    @QCIC


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
     
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound. Imagine if the relatives of those people who were killed in the 9/11 towers were told that they did it to themselves. How would that make you feel.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

  711. QCIC says:
    @Yahya
    @Triteleia Laxa


    In particular, I am looking at appraisals of how the war is going and how those predictions changed over time.
     
    Look no further than this blog’s former host:

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1657016589441458177?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    He had possibly the most interesting and dramatic change in views, not only of the war but of his conception of RusFed during the previous year.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The recent dynamics seem plausible as some form of Maskirovka. By design the dynamics may be impossible for outsiders to correctly sort out.

    On the other hand, this has been going on for a long time in the Putin Kremlin, so there is probably more in play.

    I think Karlin was (is?) too literal to process this stuff. Eventually his brain may have shorted out ;(

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Eventually his brain may have shorted out
     
    Always assuming that he had a properly functioning brain to begin with.
  712. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I don't read Ukrainian, maybe Hack can help you with names of Ukrainian NeoNazis. Search on "followers of Stepan Bandera".

    Yes, I heard there was some combat around Kiev which confused many people, partially because at the time the Russians seemed to have some confusion of their own. This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia. Some of your Ukrainian NeoNazi darlings were probably involved.

    I thought the apartment building in Kiev was accidentally damaged by a Ukrainian Buk missile similar to the one Ukrainians used in 2014 to shoot down the MH17 passenger airliner (probably not accidental).

    My understanding is that oligarchs such as Kolomoisky funded Zelensky's campaign after previously casting him in a Ukrainian TV show. In the show he played a teacher against corruption who became President. Now in real life he plays a corrupt war President very convincingly.

    Whatever you think about Ukraine and Russia, it is not worth nuclear war. Unfortunately, if the West pushes hard enough Russia might be forced to go down this path. Not to mention the fact that the West has used this conflict as an excuse to increase censorship and media lies. Truth is the first casualty in War. Great job, morons.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha

    A hard claim to make because there were plenty of people in Bucha who saw who was doing what.

    Serious question: do you believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    I don't have a strong opinion on Sandy Hook. I try not to fall down the Rabbit Hole on every one of these things. My lack of a strong opinion in this case means that anomalies exist which a serious person should acknowledge, but that doesn't tell me what actually happened. The Bucha episode seems more clear cut.

    Are you implying that you accept the standard Sandy Hook explanation or are you suggesting otherwise?

    I agree with those who thought some of the grieving parent(s) were not credible. I understand people can be very different under the soul crushing shock of a Sandy Hook-style event and they might be medicated as well, but that is not how the Robby Parker (?) guy came across to me. A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  713. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce
     
    As a popular saying puts it, Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Former commander of Gorlovka expressed it well: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German. So, what am I? A Russian!” There are Russian ethno-nationalists, but their popular support is marginal, in single digits. Russian ethno-nationalist must be a confused pretty dim person. Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.

    A clarification: even relatively big nations can slide down to rabid ethno-nationalism, but that happens only to nations with a severe inferiority complex. Nations that are sure of themselves never fall this low.

  714. @QCIC
    @Yahya

    The recent dynamics seem plausible as some form of Maskirovka. By design the dynamics may be impossible for outsiders to correctly sort out.

    On the other hand, this has been going on for a long time in the Putin Kremlin, so there is probably more in play.

    I think Karlin was (is?) too literal to process this stuff. Eventually his brain may have shorted out ;(

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Eventually his brain may have shorted out

    Always assuming that he had a properly functioning brain to begin with.

    • LOL: QCIC
  715. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little

    Ok so you can't name any of these NeoNazis.

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    The Russians are literally pulling tanks from museums and taking them to the front.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war instead of taking it to the question of:

    What happens when a modern Leopard engages a T-55 manned by drunk recruits?

    All the Ukrainians have to do is punch a hole in the line and Russian morale will collapse even further. That will make it clear that Putin does not know what he is doing and Bakhmut is not a trap as Russian State TV claims.

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there.

    Well I guess you don't follow the war outside of Unz. During the invasion of Kiev the Russians dropped Spetsnaz around the city and they were gunned down by the locals. They also tried to capture an airport in an urban center and were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. There was also a massive tank battle in the burbs of Kiev.

    The war in fact started with a Russian missile hitting an apartment tower. That was captured on CCTV. They killed a pregnant woman.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don't want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022. Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    Your comments are like a breath of fresh air here. Where have you been in the past? Always enjoy reading your posts!

  716. LatW says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @LatW

    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power. The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

    These discussions remind me of a friend who felt guilty for her Germanic ancestors having been photographed proudly holding a Swastika in 1930s Southern Brazil. There was nothing for her to feel bad about. Not just because she is not them, but also because they did not know what would happen. They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.

    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.

    This is easier to understand if we depoliticise the topic. Who judges pre-modern doctors for recommending that their patients smoke tobacco for their health?

    Replies: @LatW

    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power.

    This would depend on each separate person or unit and what it was exactly that they did. And maybe even where and at what time. However, in the case of the Riflemen their initial goal was not to oppress somebody in most cases (besides there were also mercenaries among them, a lot of the Riflemen were not in a great situation, since as I said, the war was very harsh and they were driven out of their homes, many of them were teenagers, although in general people did mature much faster during the Empire times).

    The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

    The problem is that the previous regime had tried to eliminate non-Russian, non-Orthodox nationalities in the areas where these nationalities had lived much much longer than the Slavs and the Orthodox had lived on their lands. There was the issue of the German barons as well, and as I said, the war was very harsh and many people were literally driven out of their ancestral land – the Germans were coming back to colonize fully, let’s not pretend this wasn’t their intention. One can admit this even if they are a Germanophile.

    They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.

    Again, there were a lot of different people on the pro-Nazi camp as well. Some guilty, some not. I know what you mean but the comparison with the Nazis is not adequate here. The Latvian Riflemen were essentially still subjects of the Empire so there were technically operating on their home soil. The Nazis walked into foreign soil in many cases with the intention to subjugate and to eliminate. The Nazis had not been formerly oppressed by their victims, as the Riflemen had been.

    Also, please do not view the Latvian Riflemen in isolation (this is done for propaganda reasons on this site), but remember that there were a ton of different nationalities involved there in various roles. There were Latvian Riflemen on the side of the Whites that were killed by the ChK.

    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.

    It’s tempting to agree, but again, it would depend on the person. There were NKVDshniks that were evil, even if they thought they were doing something good (they all feel that way, there can always be easily constructed excuses). And that on principle, the fact that this ideology took over and assumed such totalitarian forms, is very unfortunate. Many leftists who had themselves fought against the Tsar were later dismayed about what the Bolsheviks were turning into. They had just wanted freedom and more decent living standards for those masses of people who came into the city. Before 1905, they used to work 12 hours a day and even children worked, I don’t remember how many hours they had to work in 1917, but they had lousy living conditions plus a horrific war (most of us today would not be able to tolerate it, yet we judge). Shortage of bread, etc.

    The leftist ideas at that time had some legitimacy in the sense that many were truly oppressed and remember that these ideas were very popular in Europe, and in the Empire itself, including among upper class Russians.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    plus a horrific war (most of us today would not be able to tolerate it, yet we judge).
     
    Anatoly Karlin criticizes Ukraine for engaging in conscription right now and thus in maximizing involuntary suffering, but would he have been willing to apply the same logic towards Russia during World War I? Russia during World War I would have almost certainly been incapable of winning the war with just volunteers even without the Bolshevik coup. Ditto for the rest of the Entente.

    And this is not to mention the extremely massive increase in suffering, including involuntary suffering, that resulted (both in the short-run and in the long-run) from Russia's decision to fight for Serbia in 1914 instead of simply having Russia stand aside and condemn Serbia to its fate.

  717. LatW says:
    @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I don't read Ukrainian, maybe Hack can help you with names of Ukrainian NeoNazis. Search on "followers of Stepan Bandera".

    Yes, I heard there was some combat around Kiev which confused many people, partially because at the time the Russians seemed to have some confusion of their own. This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia. Some of your Ukrainian NeoNazi darlings were probably involved.

    I thought the apartment building in Kiev was accidentally damaged by a Ukrainian Buk missile similar to the one Ukrainians used in 2014 to shoot down the MH17 passenger airliner (probably not accidental).

    My understanding is that oligarchs such as Kolomoisky funded Zelensky's campaign after previously casting him in a Ukrainian TV show. In the show he played a teacher against corruption who became President. Now in real life he plays a corrupt war President very convincingly.

    Whatever you think about Ukraine and Russia, it is not worth nuclear war. Unfortunately, if the West pushes hard enough Russia might be forced to go down this path. Not to mention the fact that the West has used this conflict as an excuse to increase censorship and media lies. Truth is the first casualty in War. Great job, morons.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.

    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound. Imagine if the relatives of those people who were killed in the 9/11 towers were told that they did it to themselves. How would that make you feel.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound.
     
    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away. What about witnesses who saw how Ukies bring real corpses to the scene for filming and arrange them?

    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    , @QCIC
    @LatW

    The situation IS horrific. I think JJ and others of his stripe are trying to stir up WW3 and get millions of people killed. I save the niceties for polite conversation.

    War is hell. I consider this all a predictable outcome of the West's desire to weaken Russia by using Ukraine as a battering ram. I mourn for the innocent victims but I hate the people who manipulated the situation to stir up trouble and create the carnage.

    I'm not religious (yet) but some years ago I decided that I approve of the idea of Hell since there is no real-world response proportionate to the evil deeds that some men do.

  718. LatW says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @LatW

    The recent Mestizo shooter with the Nazi tattoos summed up the problem of WN movements in his own words when he wrote "of course I love the Nazis, I love all evil things."

    WN as a designated "evil" movement ends up attracting many people who are drawn to anything designated evil, which then reinforces its evil image.

    The solution is twofold: to ruthlessly shun these types and to present as relentlessly kind, compassionate and otherwise positive.

    Replies: @LatW

    The solution is twofold: to ruthlessly shun these types and to present as relentlessly kind, compassionate and otherwise positive.

    This is a good approach. By the way, in Europe and even in Russia, there is a lot of confusion among the ranks of nationalists. The more disciplined and pure Russian & EE nationalists complain about this sometimes, because there are weird personalities floating around and those personalities often try to take central stage. This has been a problem for a long time. I think it’s because these orgs are not militarized enough, do not have proper subordination and all kinds of crazies are allowed to hijack the ideology and act on their own.

    • Agree: S
  719. @LatW
    @QCIC


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
     
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound. Imagine if the relatives of those people who were killed in the 9/11 towers were told that they did it to themselves. How would that make you feel.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound.

    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away. What about witnesses who saw how Ukies bring real corpses to the scene for filming and arrange them?

    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.
     
    I concur.

    The Ukiewood filming & propaganda manual is more or less a direct lift from Pallywood. The Muslim scum lying about Palestinian Jews are indeed proper company for Ukie Maximalists.

    PEACE 😇
    , @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away.
     
    Are you talking about that one instance where it appears that one of the bodies is standing up in the car mirror? Well, the police and the prosecutor are on the spot, everything will be investigated fully. There is a lot of forensic evidence. I wish there wasn't.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

  720. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound.
     
    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away. What about witnesses who saw how Ukies bring real corpses to the scene for filming and arrange them?

    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.

    I concur.

    The Ukiewood filming & propaganda manual is more or less a direct lift from Pallywood. The Muslim scum lying about Palestinian Jews are indeed proper company for Ukie Maximalists.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  721. LatW says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound.
     
    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away. What about witnesses who saw how Ukies bring real corpses to the scene for filming and arrange them?

    Ukie “proofs” were about as ham-handed as the “proofs” of White Helmets manufactured in Syria to blame Assad. Only the lowliest scum resorts to fakes of that kind. So Ukies are in fitting company.

    Replies: @A123, @LatW

    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away.

    Are you talking about that one instance where it appears that one of the bodies is standing up in the car mirror? Well, the police and the prosecutor are on the spot, everything will be investigated fully. There is a lot of forensic evidence. I wish there wasn’t.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    There were holes in the timeline and the story. There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.

    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear. The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others) and PR video was taken to make it look the the Russians did it. This is a war and I'm sure people on both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I think the Ukrainians did this one. The flaws in the narrative were great enough I didn't think anyone still took it seriously. Sort of like the Biden election, if a person doesn't understand that was rigged they are simply not paying attention.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    There is a lot of forensic evidence.
     
    Forensic evidence collected by the fox investigating a break-in into the chicken coup? What possibly can be more reliable!

    Replies: @LatW

  722. What is behind the Japanese penchant for linking blood type to personality? Some secret cabal of vampires that favor certain flavors? Or is it some hidden drive to increase blood donation by getting people to wonder about their blood type?

  723. QCIC says:
    @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away.
     
    Are you talking about that one instance where it appears that one of the bodies is standing up in the car mirror? Well, the police and the prosecutor are on the spot, everything will be investigated fully. There is a lot of forensic evidence. I wish there wasn't.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    There were holes in the timeline and the story. There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.

    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear. The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others) and PR video was taken to make it look the the Russians did it. This is a war and I’m sure people on both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I think the Ukrainians did this one. The flaws in the narrative were great enough I didn’t think anyone still took it seriously. Sort of like the Biden election, if a person doesn’t understand that was rigged they are simply not paying attention.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC


    There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.
     
    That was from a film set months earlier and had nothing to do with Bucha until some Russians looking for a gullible audience pretended that it was an attempted fake at Bucha.

    You didn’t answer my question - do you think Sandy Hook was a hoax?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @LatW
    @QCIC


    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear.
     
    Your level of confidence is simply incredible, especially given your ignorance of the region and the lack of language skills.

    The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others)
     
    You do realize that many of the victims can and will be ID'd and it will be easily established if they were "a sympathizer" or not.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

  724. QCIC says:
    @LatW
    @QCIC


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha which were transparently blamed on Russia.
     
    You are probably not aware how horrific you sound. Imagine if the relatives of those people who were killed in the 9/11 towers were told that they did it to themselves. How would that make you feel.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    The situation IS horrific. I think JJ and others of his stripe are trying to stir up WW3 and get millions of people killed. I save the niceties for polite conversation.

    War is hell. I consider this all a predictable outcome of the West’s desire to weaken Russia by using Ukraine as a battering ram. I mourn for the innocent victims but I hate the people who manipulated the situation to stir up trouble and create the carnage.

    I’m not religious (yet) but some years ago I decided that I approve of the idea of Hell since there is no real-world response proportionate to the evil deeds that some men do.

  725. AP says:
    @QCIC
    @LatW

    There were holes in the timeline and the story. There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.

    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear. The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others) and PR video was taken to make it look the the Russians did it. This is a war and I'm sure people on both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I think the Ukrainians did this one. The flaws in the narrative were great enough I didn't think anyone still took it seriously. Sort of like the Biden election, if a person doesn't understand that was rigged they are simply not paying attention.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.

    That was from a film set months earlier and had nothing to do with Bucha until some Russians looking for a gullible audience pretended that it was an attempted fake at Bucha.

    You didn’t answer my question – do you think Sandy Hook was a hoax?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    My reply to your conspiracy theory litmus test is in another comment :) [I saw your response, that's fine. We know we disagree on Ukraine. I am trying to learn more, but my main emphasis is on the big picture which I think some are unwilling to acknowledge.]

    I mentioned Bucha in my discussion with JJ as an attempt to break through his repetitive rhetorical style. Whatever happened in Bucha is very sad, but is not an issue I have focussed on. I'm sorry it happened, but we need to work to avoid war to prevent these things. The memories of Bucha will be lost in a river of tears if this war gets to the point of heavy Russian aerial bombing of large cities.

    JJ actually writes a few things I agree with, but I think he is effectively cheerleading in his own strange way for WW3. That is how I see it and I am acting accordingly.

    PS1: I only get three replies per thread, I don't think I signed up properly which is probably good, helps keep me sane-ish.

    PS2 to LatW. AP has already "debunked" two videos, the one I referred to and one AnonfromTN mentioned. That's fine, there is more to the Bucha issue than the videos. Also, I wonder what the Ghost of Kiev has to say about the videos? The translation of the last sentence is: ALL UKRAINIAN VIDEOS ARE SUSPECT. There have been too many blatantly fake videos championed by all the players, so this is not an irrational response. It is a version of the "Johnny cried Wolf" parable. Does that mean they are all fake? No, but how do we tell? Does it mean all the Russian videos are real? No, of course not.

  726. @QCIC
    @LatW

    There were holes in the timeline and the story. There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.

    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear. The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others) and PR video was taken to make it look the the Russians did it. This is a war and I'm sure people on both sides have committed heinous atrocities. I think the Ukrainians did this one. The flaws in the narrative were great enough I didn't think anyone still took it seriously. Sort of like the Biden election, if a person doesn't understand that was rigged they are simply not paying attention.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear.

    Your level of confidence is simply incredible, especially given your ignorance of the region and the lack of language skills.

    The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others)

    You do realize that many of the victims can and will be ID’d and it will be easily established if they were “a sympathizer” or not.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Can and will be ID’d
     
    Considering how long ago this happened, your “will be” clearly shows that the investigation is as reliable as that of Maidan shootings, of MH17 downing, or of terrorist acts on both Nord Stream pipelines. Nothing new there. “Credo quia absurdum” is centuries old. Stick to tradition, and damn the facts.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    , @QCIC
    @LatW

    I started commenting on this war since I think some people are effectively trying to start WW3 and possible nuclear armageddon through their misguided cheerleading. With stakes like that I have to work around my lack of language skills and first hand knowledge as well as possible. I am simply trying to offset the torrent of propaganda flooding the West regarding this war.

    I try to write my comments tersely since I dislike reading long comments. I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it, but I didn't think it was too ambiguous or worth another sentence. I thought about using 'sympathizers' but that would have been confusing. The fuller story I heard about Bucha actually makes things worse. My recollection is that some of those Ukrainians were simply picking up humanitarian supplies the Russians had dropped off in the town. This required wearing of some colored arm bands, but did not actually clarify if those people were sympathizers to either side, perhaps they had a baby or a grandparent who was simply starving in the chaos. Then they were killed as traitors by their own people. Very sad and part of the highly predictable outcome of what the West did in Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

  727. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @QCIC


    This was followed by Ukrainian atrocities in nearby Bucha
     
    A hard claim to make because there were plenty of people in Bucha who saw who was doing what.

    Serious question: do you believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t have a strong opinion on Sandy Hook. I try not to fall down the Rabbit Hole on every one of these things. My lack of a strong opinion in this case means that anomalies exist which a serious person should acknowledge, but that doesn’t tell me what actually happened. The Bucha episode seems more clear cut.

    Are you implying that you accept the standard Sandy Hook explanation or are you suggesting otherwise?

    I agree with those who thought some of the grieving parent(s) were not credible. I understand people can be very different under the soul crushing shock of a Sandy Hook-style event and they might be medicated as well, but that is not how the Robby Parker (?) guy came across to me. A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.
     
    Which video is this?
    , @AP
    @QCIC

    Indeed, someone gullible enough to believe some of the nonsense about Sandy Hook being a hoax will also believe that Bucha was done by the Ukrainians themselves.

  728. @QCIC
    @AP

    I don't have a strong opinion on Sandy Hook. I try not to fall down the Rabbit Hole on every one of these things. My lack of a strong opinion in this case means that anomalies exist which a serious person should acknowledge, but that doesn't tell me what actually happened. The Bucha episode seems more clear cut.

    Are you implying that you accept the standard Sandy Hook explanation or are you suggesting otherwise?

    I agree with those who thought some of the grieving parent(s) were not credible. I understand people can be very different under the soul crushing shock of a Sandy Hook-style event and they might be medicated as well, but that is not how the Robby Parker (?) guy came across to me. A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.

    Which video is this?

  729. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    What about videos where “corpses” in Bucha move, some “dead” even stand up and walk away.
     
    Are you talking about that one instance where it appears that one of the bodies is standing up in the car mirror? Well, the police and the prosecutor are on the spot, everything will be investigated fully. There is a lot of forensic evidence. I wish there wasn't.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    There is a lot of forensic evidence.

    Forensic evidence collected by the fox investigating a break-in into the chicken coup? What possibly can be more reliable!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Absolutely, international investigators and experts will be needed here. There's going to be a ton of work and this will take some time.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  730. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    There is a lot of forensic evidence.
     
    Forensic evidence collected by the fox investigating a break-in into the chicken coup? What possibly can be more reliable!

    Replies: @LatW

    Absolutely, international investigators and experts will be needed here. There’s going to be a ton of work and this will take some time.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    international investigators and experts will be needed here
     
    International does not cut it, investigators must be impartial. Now, what country capable of professional investigation is truly impartial in today’s world? I cannot name a single one. Can you?

    Replies: @A123

  731. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear.
     
    Your level of confidence is simply incredible, especially given your ignorance of the region and the lack of language skills.

    The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others)
     
    You do realize that many of the victims can and will be ID'd and it will be easily established if they were "a sympathizer" or not.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    Can and will be ID’d

    Considering how long ago this happened, your “will be” clearly shows that the investigation is as reliable as that of Maidan shootings, of MH17 downing, or of terrorist acts on both Nord Stream pipelines. Nothing new there. “Credo quia absurdum” is centuries old. Stick to tradition, and damn the facts.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    your “will be” clearly shows
     
    Please do not pick on words. The point was that this can be investigated and the victims can very often be ID'd. I'm aware that the Kyiv police are working very diligent, they have a very competent chief.

    The point is that these crimes are not as easy to hide (as they obviously tried to in haste), especially in the age of media. Even in Stalin's times they had to go out of their way to hide the crimes and the victims. And even many of those were found.

    As to which country could investigate, it's not about a specific country, but about an international body such as the International Criminal Court. The Rome Statute is signed by 60 countries.

    And the sad truth here is that the Donbas side (if there are cases where there could be a legitimate issue or a probable cause, even though it was all so chaotic there) will not receive enough advocacy. It could be done even under Ukrainian law. But the Ukes are the more recent victims, there are even more victims on their side now than in Donbas in 2014 and people care about them more so nobody will go after them. This is the harsh reality here. The Donbas victims will suffer in silence...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    MH17 stands out as a very strange event. Given what we have seen the Ukies do, that we can reasonably surmise is their modus operandi, downing a civil aircraft with an S300 to gain attention or warn off doesn't look far fetched, in principle. Could have easily been an Ukie AntiAircraft crew.

    Replies: @QCIC

  732. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    Absolutely, international investigators and experts will be needed here. There's going to be a ton of work and this will take some time.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    international investigators and experts will be needed here

    International does not cut it, investigators must be impartial. Now, what country capable of professional investigation is truly impartial in today’s world? I cannot name a single one. Can you?

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    International does not cut it, investigators must be impartial. Now, what country capable of professional investigation is truly impartial in today’s world? I cannot name a single one. Can you?
     
    Even if you could find one -- Why would any sane country take up the task?

    It isn't in their interest to do so. At a minimum one group will be upset when the investigation is finished. And, it would likely not satisfy multiple parties.
    ____

    Also, there is unlikely to be much to find. 18 year olds with guns take things into their own hands when their buddies get blown away. Civilians also seek out payback when the opportunity presents itself.

    Generals hate it when this stuff happens and try to stop it. The chances of command structure on either side ordering war crimes is virtually nil. Loss of discipline happens periodically in every war. This one is no different.

    PEACE 😇
  733. @QCIC
    @AP

    I don't have a strong opinion on Sandy Hook. I try not to fall down the Rabbit Hole on every one of these things. My lack of a strong opinion in this case means that anomalies exist which a serious person should acknowledge, but that doesn't tell me what actually happened. The Bucha episode seems more clear cut.

    Are you implying that you accept the standard Sandy Hook explanation or are you suggesting otherwise?

    I agree with those who thought some of the grieving parent(s) were not credible. I understand people can be very different under the soul crushing shock of a Sandy Hook-style event and they might be medicated as well, but that is not how the Robby Parker (?) guy came across to me. A key feature was much like Bucha in that bits of the video which were not supposed to see the light of day made all the difference.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    Indeed, someone gullible enough to believe some of the nonsense about Sandy Hook being a hoax will also believe that Bucha was done by the Ukrainians themselves.

  734. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Can and will be ID’d
     
    Considering how long ago this happened, your “will be” clearly shows that the investigation is as reliable as that of Maidan shootings, of MH17 downing, or of terrorist acts on both Nord Stream pipelines. Nothing new there. “Credo quia absurdum” is centuries old. Stick to tradition, and damn the facts.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    your “will be” clearly shows

    Please do not pick on words. The point was that this can be investigated and the victims can very often be ID’d. I’m aware that the Kyiv police are working very diligent, they have a very competent chief.

    The point is that these crimes are not as easy to hide (as they obviously tried to in haste), especially in the age of media. Even in Stalin’s times they had to go out of their way to hide the crimes and the victims. And even many of those were found.

    As to which country could investigate, it’s not about a specific country, but about an international body such as the International Criminal Court. The Rome Statute is signed by 60 countries.

    [MORE]

    And the sad truth here is that the Donbas side (if there are cases where there could be a legitimate issue or a probable cause, even though it was all so chaotic there) will not receive enough advocacy. It could be done even under Ukrainian law. But the Ukes are the more recent victims, there are even more victims on their side now than in Donbas in 2014 and people care about them more so nobody will go after them. This is the harsh reality here. The Donbas victims will suffer in silence…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    about an international body such as the International Criminal Court
     
    If ICC is impartial or even credible, I am the Pope. End of this discussion.
  735. Curious how Japan, which is perceived as being very open to robots, does not seem to be as approving of AI.
    Though it seems China is more approving.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @songbird

    It might be related to the aversion there to surveillance and invasion of privacy--

    https://i.postimg.cc/PrrrXmSF/2019-12-06-image-9.jpg

    https://www.techspot.com/news/83061-report-finds-us-has-largest-number-surveillance-cameras.html

    Anyways, PRC has potential to set the standard for AI, and AI safety. Whereas Japan and Europe can play along with US and/or China.

    Most pathetic is RusFed which doesn't even have a plan for a plan.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @songbird

    These types of surveys suffer from being unable to discern the strength of respondents' beliefs and therefore how likely they will change their mind. A lot of people in developed countries vaguely think of Microsoft's clippy and Indian call centres when they consider AI.

  736. @LatW
    @AnonfromTN


    your “will be” clearly shows
     
    Please do not pick on words. The point was that this can be investigated and the victims can very often be ID'd. I'm aware that the Kyiv police are working very diligent, they have a very competent chief.

    The point is that these crimes are not as easy to hide (as they obviously tried to in haste), especially in the age of media. Even in Stalin's times they had to go out of their way to hide the crimes and the victims. And even many of those were found.

    As to which country could investigate, it's not about a specific country, but about an international body such as the International Criminal Court. The Rome Statute is signed by 60 countries.

    And the sad truth here is that the Donbas side (if there are cases where there could be a legitimate issue or a probable cause, even though it was all so chaotic there) will not receive enough advocacy. It could be done even under Ukrainian law. But the Ukes are the more recent victims, there are even more victims on their side now than in Donbas in 2014 and people care about them more so nobody will go after them. This is the harsh reality here. The Donbas victims will suffer in silence...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    about an international body such as the International Criminal Court

    If ICC is impartial or even credible, I am the Pope. End of this discussion.

    • Agree: A123
  737. @AP
    @QCIC


    There were also a number of compelling clips which came out soon after, including one showing a film crew moving bodies around to stage a better shot.
     
    That was from a film set months earlier and had nothing to do with Bucha until some Russians looking for a gullible audience pretended that it was an attempted fake at Bucha.

    You didn’t answer my question - do you think Sandy Hook was a hoax?

    Replies: @QCIC

    My reply to your conspiracy theory litmus test is in another comment 🙂 [I saw your response, that’s fine. We know we disagree on Ukraine. I am trying to learn more, but my main emphasis is on the big picture which I think some are unwilling to acknowledge.]

    I mentioned Bucha in my discussion with JJ as an attempt to break through his repetitive rhetorical style. Whatever happened in Bucha is very sad, but is not an issue I have focussed on. I’m sorry it happened, but we need to work to avoid war to prevent these things. The memories of Bucha will be lost in a river of tears if this war gets to the point of heavy Russian aerial bombing of large cities.

    JJ actually writes a few things I agree with, but I think he is effectively cheerleading in his own strange way for WW3. That is how I see it and I am acting accordingly.

    PS1: I only get three replies per thread, I don’t think I signed up properly which is probably good, helps keep me sane-ish.

    PS2 to LatW. AP has already “debunked” two videos, the one I referred to and one AnonfromTN mentioned. That’s fine, there is more to the Bucha issue than the videos. Also, I wonder what the Ghost of Kiev has to say about the videos? The translation of the last sentence is: ALL UKRAINIAN VIDEOS ARE SUSPECT. There have been too many blatantly fake videos championed by all the players, so this is not an irrational response. It is a version of the “Johnny cried Wolf” parable. Does that mean they are all fake? No, but how do we tell? Does it mean all the Russian videos are real? No, of course not.

  738. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I think what happened in Bucha is pretty clear.
     
    Your level of confidence is simply incredible, especially given your ignorance of the region and the lack of language skills.

    The Russians pulled out unexpectedly, their sympathizers were murdered in short order (as a warning to others)
     
    You do realize that many of the victims can and will be ID'd and it will be easily established if they were "a sympathizer" or not.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    I started commenting on this war since I think some people are effectively trying to start WW3 and possible nuclear armageddon through their misguided cheerleading. With stakes like that I have to work around my lack of language skills and first hand knowledge as well as possible. I am simply trying to offset the torrent of propaganda flooding the West regarding this war.

    I try to write my comments tersely since I dislike reading long comments. I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it, but I didn’t think it was too ambiguous or worth another sentence. I thought about using ‘sympathizers’ but that would have been confusing. The fuller story I heard about Bucha actually makes things worse. My recollection is that some of those Ukrainians were simply picking up humanitarian supplies the Russians had dropped off in the town. This required wearing of some colored arm bands, but did not actually clarify if those people were sympathizers to either side, perhaps they had a baby or a grandparent who was simply starving in the chaos. Then they were killed as traitors by their own people. Very sad and part of the highly predictable outcome of what the West did in Ukraine.

    • Agree: Wokechoke
    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it
     
    It's not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members. The Bucha victims are known by their names. For example, there is a lot of evidence that the Russians were looking for anyone who even had Ukrainian flags in their home.

    There are different kind of victims in general - many died because of the hardships that were imposed by the Russian occupation, especially in places such as Mariupol. However, when war crimes were committed, those are possible to investigate.

    But the biggest issue is that Russian troops shouldn't have been there in the first place. So that alone is a huge transgression. This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one's border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @A123

  739. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    international investigators and experts will be needed here
     
    International does not cut it, investigators must be impartial. Now, what country capable of professional investigation is truly impartial in today’s world? I cannot name a single one. Can you?

    Replies: @A123

    International does not cut it, investigators must be impartial. Now, what country capable of professional investigation is truly impartial in today’s world? I cannot name a single one. Can you?

    Even if you could find one — Why would any sane country take up the task?

    It isn’t in their interest to do so. At a minimum one group will be upset when the investigation is finished. And, it would likely not satisfy multiple parties.
    ____

    Also, there is unlikely to be much to find. 18 year olds with guns take things into their own hands when their buddies get blown away. Civilians also seek out payback when the opportunity presents itself.

    Generals hate it when this stuff happens and try to stop it. The chances of command structure on either side ordering war crimes is virtually nil. Loss of discipline happens periodically in every war. This one is no different.

    PEACE 😇

  740. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    As I understand it, Western powers and local oligarchs control Ukrainian politics. The NeoNazis control very little

    Ok so you can't name any of these NeoNazis.

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    The last time I checked the Russians have destroyed thousands of Ukrainian armored vehicles of various sorts, including a great many tanks. What’s a few more?

    The Russians are literally pulling tanks from museums and taking them to the front.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war instead of taking it to the question of:

    What happens when a modern Leopard engages a T-55 manned by drunk recruits?

    All the Ukrainians have to do is punch a hole in the line and Russian morale will collapse even further. That will make it clear that Putin does not know what he is doing and Bakhmut is not a trap as Russian State TV claims.

    I don’t think Russia wants to fight seriously inside the city of Kiev due to the risk of both high civilian casualties and the destruction of shared cultural history there.

    Well I guess you don't follow the war outside of Unz. During the invasion of Kiev the Russians dropped Spetsnaz around the city and they were gunned down by the locals. They also tried to capture an airport in an urban center and were destroyed by Ukrainian artillery. There was also a massive tank battle in the burbs of Kiev.

    The war in fact started with a Russian missile hitting an apartment tower. That was captured on CCTV. They killed a pregnant woman.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don't want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022. Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?

    Because his platform of regaining lost territories by peaceful negotiations was supported by ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    Ok so you can’t name any of these NeoNazis.

    The AZOV veterans who who in 2019 staged noisy demoes and threatened Zelensky that if he signed the Paris agreement for autonomy for the Donbass (entailing it being able to veto Ukrainian Nato membership), he would return from Paris an ex-President.

    Even MacGregor

    He has never looked well, and his analysis has been shaky.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its “not fair” that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back. {…]

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing?

    When are you going accept that Ukraine’s backers understand they can’t have it both ways. Either Russia is going to lose conventionally and capitulate or not. Given that it has been backward for half a millennium and is up against the world’s most advanced and powerful economy plus almost all of Europe’s military inventory the eventual conventionall warfare outcome is quite certainly going to be the immediate elimination of Russia as a power comparable to the US and Chna.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war

    He is being offered only capitulation–complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don’t want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022.

    Do the denizens of east Donbass want rule from Kiev?

    Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev

    For the sake of argument, and putting Crimea to one side for the moment, were Ukraine to recover the Donbass there would be a massive insurgency among the millions of ethnic Russians who live there. Ukraine is going to be in effect partitioned.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    Zelenskyy performed a sort of bait and switch, official reproachment with Russia for the Election then an all out attack on the region/ethne that actually trusted him and voted for him. With Jews you lose. Prigozhin's apparently erratic behaviour is similar.

    , @A123
    @Sean



    If Putin had any sense he would end this war
     
    He is being offered only capitulation–complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.
     
    It is worth repeating the fact that Not-The-President Biden and Zelensky are both pawns. The occupied White House has less intellectual capability that a woodchuck that has been run over by a lawn mower. Clearly, command & control are European figures.

    Say it this way -- It is not clear Europe has an endgame.

    Now ask the logical question -- What is Europe getting from a fight without an endgame?

    The Visegrád 4 had been unified in resisting Brussels threats to national sovereignty. How are Polish-Hungarian relations today? They placed a main opposition block in turmoil.

    An even larger group of nations was gearing up to block Merkel's legacy of Open Muslim Borders. Now ~⅓ of all "Ukrainian" refugees are MENA origin on forged identity documents.

    Europe does not want an endgame! Perpetual chaos is what they are after.
    ___

    I know it hard to face the fact that the current conflict has very little to do with Ukraine or Russia, but what's real is real. Europe stoked this violence to serve SJW Globalist goals. Berlin does not care how many Ukrainian kids die. Paris does not care how many Russian kids die.

    Putin is well past the point of no return. He cannot survive backing down. And, no one knows what the nuclear red line is. It may not be set in stone. Domestic Russian politics could be moving the red line on a daily basis.

    Europe needs to rein in their puppet Zelensky. But, it is not clear that they can. Momentum is a killer if you lose control of it. And, the Scholz/Macron golem construct is not yielding what they expected.

    PEACE 😇
  741. If Erdogan is out (and right now seems probable to me), I wonder what the chances are they will try to fastrack Turkey into the EU.

  742. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are correct. One thing I disagree about is that Horthy would have been executed had he not attempted to join the Allies. Maybe he would have, but he did not have a lot of blood on his hands like Tiso had, nor did he betray his people as Quisling did. If Horthy had managed to avoid Soviet custody, he might have ended up in exile in Spain.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Horthy’s hands weren’t fully bloodless, but Yes, they were certainly much less bloody than Antonescu’s, for instance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad_raid

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamianets-Podilskyi_massacre

    Ironically, though, I suspect that more of Romania’s Jews (for instance, the overwhelming majority of the Jews in the former Old Kingdom of Romania territories) ended up surviving the Holocaust relative to Greater Hungary’s Jews, even in percentage terms, because Antonescu remained loyal to Hitler up to the very end, unlike Horthy, and thus managed to have Romania avoid Hungary’s fate of outright direct German occupation.

  743. LatW says:
    @QCIC
    @LatW

    I started commenting on this war since I think some people are effectively trying to start WW3 and possible nuclear armageddon through their misguided cheerleading. With stakes like that I have to work around my lack of language skills and first hand knowledge as well as possible. I am simply trying to offset the torrent of propaganda flooding the West regarding this war.

    I try to write my comments tersely since I dislike reading long comments. I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it, but I didn't think it was too ambiguous or worth another sentence. I thought about using 'sympathizers' but that would have been confusing. The fuller story I heard about Bucha actually makes things worse. My recollection is that some of those Ukrainians were simply picking up humanitarian supplies the Russians had dropped off in the town. This required wearing of some colored arm bands, but did not actually clarify if those people were sympathizers to either side, perhaps they had a baby or a grandparent who was simply starving in the chaos. Then they were killed as traitors by their own people. Very sad and part of the highly predictable outcome of what the West did in Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

    I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it

    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members. The Bucha victims are known by their names. For example, there is a lot of evidence that the Russians were looking for anyone who even had Ukrainian flags in their home.

    There are different kind of victims in general – many died because of the hardships that were imposed by the Russian occupation, especially in places such as Mariupol. However, when war crimes were committed, those are possible to investigate.

    But the biggest issue is that Russian troops shouldn’t have been there in the first place. So that alone is a huge transgression. This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one’s border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    If I recall Bucha correctly the bodies strewn on the road outside the Hardware Store/Lumber Yard were all wearing white cloths on their arms as a sign of being pro-Russian. Like the military police had murdered them for collaborating. 5-7 bodies quite conspicuously. The Ukie secret police are quite ruthless enforcers not unlike the Provisional IRA back in the 1970s and 80s.

    , @AP
    @LatW


    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members.
     
    Indeed, this is why conspiracy theories like Bucha (or Sandy Hook, or that 9-11 didn't involve planes) are so stupid. Large numbers of victims (thus hundreds of relatives and friends), in populated towns with thousands of people. But they are all fooled, or all lying, right? But someone who heard from Alex Jones or whatever Russian website knows what really happened. He is not fooled.

    The best thing about such theories is that they indicate right away when someone has a combination of high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride. And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    , @A123
    @LatW


    This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one’s border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.
     
    I think you just made Putin's core point. Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.

    Why was the Punishment Dam built if it was not intentionally targeting Russian farmers?

    Encroachment on the Russian military's primary warm water port generated justified push back. The Kiev regime could have chosen differently, but they exacerbated their approach towards Russian strategic assets by breaking the Minsk accords.

    PEACE😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  744. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it
     
    It's not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members. The Bucha victims are known by their names. For example, there is a lot of evidence that the Russians were looking for anyone who even had Ukrainian flags in their home.

    There are different kind of victims in general - many died because of the hardships that were imposed by the Russian occupation, especially in places such as Mariupol. However, when war crimes were committed, those are possible to investigate.

    But the biggest issue is that Russian troops shouldn't have been there in the first place. So that alone is a huge transgression. This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one's border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @A123

    If I recall Bucha correctly the bodies strewn on the road outside the Hardware Store/Lumber Yard were all wearing white cloths on their arms as a sign of being pro-Russian. Like the military police had murdered them for collaborating. 5-7 bodies quite conspicuously. The Ukie secret police are quite ruthless enforcers not unlike the Provisional IRA back in the 1970s and 80s.

  745. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce
     
    As a popular saying puts it, Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Former commander of Gorlovka expressed it well: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German. So, what am I? A Russian!” There are Russian ethno-nationalists, but their popular support is marginal, in single digits. Russian ethno-nationalist must be a confused pretty dim person. Ethno-nationalism is a province of parochialists from small tribes, not of great nations.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    Russian nationalism is similar to Iranian, Indian or Chinese nationalism. It’s a quilt, not a blanket.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Nationalism in Russia, that at least we are allowed to know about, is a right-wing ideology, with conspiracy theory, racism etc.

    Nationalism is very uncommon and marginal at least in the normal areas of the country. I've never met any nationalists. I don't think I would know anyone, who knows anyone.

    There is a question whether this is natural, or is a successful political technology by the government to remove a nationalist option in the politics i.e. they only promote the most dislikeable nationalists as a kind of zoo, or circus of clowns. They don't allow the normal nationalism.

    So, nationalism is viewed negatively in Russia today, but this can be partly the result of government engineering. I would guess, a normal nationalism would be a serious threat for the government, so they used the methods to suppress this.

    -

    The ideology which is very common in Russia is jingoism, imperialism, militarism, patriotism etc. In the late soviet time, this was mapped to the Slavophiles, in the Westernizers vs. Slavophiles.

    By comparison, the Westernizers today are more anti-imperialist. Westernizers are the Russian liberalism, which is today the ideology of the small upper middle class in Russia.

    Putin used to talk to both sides, so he presents to the upper middle class, that he is a Westernizer. He presents, to security class and the main population, that he is a "patriot" etc.

    Of course, he is the "patriot" for external policy and internal legal and political structure. Westernizers agenda of Putin has a limit to the superficial terms importing Western shopping malls and popular culture, not balance of power or transparent accounting.

    Westernizers in Russia of course didn't care about the shopping malls, they wanted parliamentary democracy and European things like bicycle infrastructure. Something about them, they still have a lot of more provincial and patriotic culture compared to the rulers, less internationalist, naive, and not cynical enough to have influence in the politics.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  746. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?
     
    Because his platform of regaining lost territories by peaceful negotiations was supported by ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    Ok so you can’t name any of these NeoNazis.
     
    The AZOV veterans who who in 2019 staged noisy demoes and threatened Zelensky that if he signed the Paris agreement for autonomy for the Donbass (entailing it being able to veto Ukrainian Nato membership), he would return from Paris an ex-President.

    Even MacGregor
     
    He has never looked well, and his analysis has been shaky.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its “not fair” that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back. {...]

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing?
     

    When are you going accept that Ukraine's backers understand they can't have it both ways. Either Russia is going to lose conventionally and capitulate or not. Given that it has been backward for half a millennium and is up against the world's most advanced and powerful economy plus almost all of Europe's military inventory the eventual conventionall warfare outcome is quite certainly going to be the immediate elimination of Russia as a power comparable to the US and Chna.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war
     
    He is being offered only capitulation--complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don’t want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022.
     
    Do the denizens of east Donbass want rule from Kiev?

    Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev
     
    For the sake of argument, and putting Crimea to one side for the moment, were Ukraine to recover the Donbass there would be a massive insurgency among the millions of ethnic Russians who live there. Ukraine is going to be in effect partitioned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Zelenskyy performed a sort of bait and switch, official reproachment with Russia for the Election then an all out attack on the region/ethne that actually trusted him and voted for him. With Jews you lose. Prigozhin’s apparently erratic behaviour is similar.

  747. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Can and will be ID’d
     
    Considering how long ago this happened, your “will be” clearly shows that the investigation is as reliable as that of Maidan shootings, of MH17 downing, or of terrorist acts on both Nord Stream pipelines. Nothing new there. “Credo quia absurdum” is centuries old. Stick to tradition, and damn the facts.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    MH17 stands out as a very strange event. Given what we have seen the Ukies do, that we can reasonably surmise is their modus operandi, downing a civil aircraft with an S300 to gain attention or warn off doesn’t look far fetched, in principle. Could have easily been an Ukie AntiAircraft crew.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    A solid case was presented that a Ukrainian Buk missile shot down the aircraft.

  748. AP says:
    @LatW
    @QCIC


    I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it
     
    It's not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members. The Bucha victims are known by their names. For example, there is a lot of evidence that the Russians were looking for anyone who even had Ukrainian flags in their home.

    There are different kind of victims in general - many died because of the hardships that were imposed by the Russian occupation, especially in places such as Mariupol. However, when war crimes were committed, those are possible to investigate.

    But the biggest issue is that Russian troops shouldn't have been there in the first place. So that alone is a huge transgression. This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one's border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @A123

    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members.

    Indeed, this is why conspiracy theories like Bucha (or Sandy Hook, or that 9-11 didn’t involve planes) are so stupid. Large numbers of victims (thus hundreds of relatives and friends), in populated towns with thousands of people. But they are all fooled, or all lying, right? But someone who heard from Alex Jones or whatever Russian website knows what really happened. He is not fooled.

    The best thing about such theories is that they indicate right away when someone has a combination of high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride. And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP


    high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride
     
    I hope it's just that and not something more sinister.

    I can only imagine how hurtful it is for the parents of Sandy Hook. In EE, they should not allow to spread such conspiracies about Bucha. I hope Father Andriy Halavin is ok, since he's been through so much.

    And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.
     
    Well, that's a good approach. Some of this stuff is so stunning and so nutty that I have no idea what can be done there.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    This reminds me of a poll question that I previously asked: Who is stupider: Holocaust deniers or 9/11 truthers?

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, off-topic, but would you say that Russia invading Ukraine is comparable to Nazi Germany invading the Netherlands instead of invading Poland? (Poland proper didn't have any German-majority territories in 1939, IIRC. Danzig was German-majority but it was located outside of Poland, would mean risking a war with Poland and thus with the Anglo-French, and contained less than one million people in total. Conquering the Netherlands was theoretically much more lucrative for Hitler had he actually realized this. IIRC, the Anglo-French did not offer any guarantees to the Netherlands like they did to Poland, right?) Similar people, similar language, similar culture, and they were previously a part of the same political entity (the Holy Roman Empire in the case of the Germans and Dutch, back during the Middle Ages, which was actually somewhat more recent than Kievan Rus' was).

    Hitler could have easily argued that the Dutch are a German people who have lost their German identity over the centuries and who need to be conquered by Germany so that they could finally reacquire their German identity. Hitler could have even pointed out that Dutch is extremely similar to the word Deutsch, which is used to refer to the German language in German.

    Replies: @AP

  749. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    arguably as important to the rise of Bolshevism in Russia as Jews were, and that’s assuming that one counts the quarter-Jew Lenin as Jewish even though he never actually identified as a Jew.
     
    His mother's name is Blank. That sounds quite Jewish, especially the spelling. The Germans typically include a "c", as in Blanck or Planck.

    So are you saying there were no Jews in the Red Army or that there were fewer Jews in the Red Army than there were Latvians?

    Are you aware of how many Russian Imperial officers actually switched to Bolsheviks? Are you aware that there were Red guards everywhere - including in Finland, Ukraine, etc.

    The Riflemen only arrived in Russia in November 1918, so a whole year after the revolution. They had to go to Russia because the Germans had taken over almost all of Latvia. Many Latvians who were in Russia at the time were in fact refugees and they were mobilized into the Red Army.

    Are you aware that there were in fact Riflemen who fought on the side of the Whites during the Civil war?


    Latvians also voted for the Bolsheviks in the December 1917 Constituent Assembly elections.
     
    Because they wanted peace. The war was very harsh and the Latvians were the first to take the hit.

    Btw, the great role you assign to them - meaning that they were really that influential - that is quite flattering, thank you. Don't overdo it or I'll start liking them.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. XYZ

    Weren’t the Red Latvian Riflemen crucial for the crushing of the Left SR revolt in Moscow in the summer of 1918?

    And Yes, Lenin’s mother was half-Jewish through her own father.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Weren’t the Red Latvian Riflemen crucial for the crushing of the Left SR revolt in Moscow in the summer of 1918?
     
    Yes, because Lenin and Sverdlov specifically requested the help of the Riflemen and that they should arrive in Moscow from the south. I've often wonder why it was so, because it does sound like they were always begging for them (could be because they had had experience in the war).

    And apparently the SRs timed their revolt so that it was during the time that the Riflemen would be celebrating the Midsummer. Which they were, but they still managed to arrive there.
  750. LatW says:
    @AP
    @LatW


    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members.
     
    Indeed, this is why conspiracy theories like Bucha (or Sandy Hook, or that 9-11 didn't involve planes) are so stupid. Large numbers of victims (thus hundreds of relatives and friends), in populated towns with thousands of people. But they are all fooled, or all lying, right? But someone who heard from Alex Jones or whatever Russian website knows what really happened. He is not fooled.

    The best thing about such theories is that they indicate right away when someone has a combination of high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride. And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride

    I hope it’s just that and not something more sinister.

    I can only imagine how hurtful it is for the parents of Sandy Hook. In EE, they should not allow to spread such conspiracies about Bucha. I hope Father Andriy Halavin is ok, since he’s been through so much.

    And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    Well, that’s a good approach. Some of this stuff is so stunning and so nutty that I have no idea what can be done there.

  751. @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa


    There is no crime in having supported the Bolsheviks in their rise to power.
     
    This would depend on each separate person or unit and what it was exactly that they did. And maybe even where and at what time. However, in the case of the Riflemen their initial goal was not to oppress somebody in most cases (besides there were also mercenaries among them, a lot of the Riflemen were not in a great situation, since as I said, the war was very harsh and they were driven out of their homes, many of them were teenagers, although in general people did mature much faster during the Empire times).

    The ideology they proposed promised mostly good things. The previous regime was broken and exhausted. Only with hindsight can we damn the hopeful revolutionaries. A gift they did not have.

     

    The problem is that the previous regime had tried to eliminate non-Russian, non-Orthodox nationalities in the areas where these nationalities had lived much much longer than the Slavs and the Orthodox had lived on their lands. There was the issue of the German barons as well, and as I said, the war was very harsh and many people were literally driven out of their ancestral land - the Germans were coming back to colonize fully, let's not pretend this wasn't their intention. One can admit this even if they are a Germanophile.

    They were likely isolated former Pomeranians who had heard of a revitalisation movement among their distant ethnic kin and innocently dressed up to show their support.
     
    Again, there were a lot of different people on the pro-Nazi camp as well. Some guilty, some not. I know what you mean but the comparison with the Nazis is not adequate here. The Latvian Riflemen were essentially still subjects of the Empire so there were technically operating on their home soil. The Nazis walked into foreign soil in many cases with the intention to subjugate and to eliminate. The Nazis had not been formerly oppressed by their victims, as the Riflemen had been.

    Also, please do not view the Latvian Riflemen in isolation (this is done for propaganda reasons on this site), but remember that there were a ton of different nationalities involved there in various roles. There were Latvian Riflemen on the side of the Whites that were killed by the ChK.


    Being a distant Nazi in 1930s Brazil and being a Bolshevik in the revolutionary period is not the same as being one while they were secure in power and enacting horrors, such as under Stalin, nor being one in the glare of our information age in which the products of those movements can be seen with a monstrous clarity.
     
    It's tempting to agree, but again, it would depend on the person. There were NKVDshniks that were evil, even if they thought they were doing something good (they all feel that way, there can always be easily constructed excuses). And that on principle, the fact that this ideology took over and assumed such totalitarian forms, is very unfortunate. Many leftists who had themselves fought against the Tsar were later dismayed about what the Bolsheviks were turning into. They had just wanted freedom and more decent living standards for those masses of people who came into the city. Before 1905, they used to work 12 hours a day and even children worked, I don't remember how many hours they had to work in 1917, but they had lousy living conditions plus a horrific war (most of us today would not be able to tolerate it, yet we judge). Shortage of bread, etc.

    The leftist ideas at that time had some legitimacy in the sense that many were truly oppressed and remember that these ideas were very popular in Europe, and in the Empire itself, including among upper class Russians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    plus a horrific war (most of us today would not be able to tolerate it, yet we judge).

    Anatoly Karlin criticizes Ukraine for engaging in conscription right now and thus in maximizing involuntary suffering, but would he have been willing to apply the same logic towards Russia during World War I? Russia during World War I would have almost certainly been incapable of winning the war with just volunteers even without the Bolshevik coup. Ditto for the rest of the Entente.

    And this is not to mention the extremely massive increase in suffering, including involuntary suffering, that resulted (both in the short-run and in the long-run) from Russia’s decision to fight for Serbia in 1914 instead of simply having Russia stand aside and condemn Serbia to its fate.

  752. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If Ukraine has very little control over their political system then how did a no-name actor beat the pro-Western candidate in 2019?
     
    Because his platform of regaining lost territories by peaceful negotiations was supported by ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    Ok so you can’t name any of these NeoNazis.
     
    The AZOV veterans who who in 2019 staged noisy demoes and threatened Zelensky that if he signed the Paris agreement for autonomy for the Donbass (entailing it being able to veto Ukrainian Nato membership), he would return from Paris an ex-President.

    Even MacGregor
     
    He has never looked well, and his analysis has been shaky.

    Now they claim Russia is a victim and needs to use nukes against civilians because its “not fair” that Ukraine has Western weapons and can fight back. {...]

    When are you going to face the fact that Putin is losing?
     

    When are you going accept that Ukraine's backers understand they can't have it both ways. Either Russia is going to lose conventionally and capitulate or not. Given that it has been backward for half a millennium and is up against the world's most advanced and powerful economy plus almost all of Europe's military inventory the eventual conventionall warfare outcome is quite certainly going to be the immediate elimination of Russia as a power comparable to the US and Chna.

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war
     
    He is being offered only capitulation--complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.

    But more importantly how would they change the government without invading Kiev? The Ukrainian people don’t want Russian rule and made that clear in 2022.
     
    Do the denizens of east Donbass want rule from Kiev?

    Maybe you missed the videos of Russian tank crews burning to death outside of Kiev
     
    For the sake of argument, and putting Crimea to one side for the moment, were Ukraine to recover the Donbass there would be a massive insurgency among the millions of ethnic Russians who live there. Ukraine is going to be in effect partitioned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    If Putin had any sense he would end this war

    He is being offered only capitulation–complete withdrawal from Donbass and Crime. Clearly, Putin sees continuation of the war as preferable to the terms currently on offer: nothing. He always has the option of a specimen thermonuclear use if Ukrainian forces begin to get momentum,. I think the West is begining to worry about a Ukrainian offensive succeeding so well it panics the Kremlin. It is not clear Washington has an endgame.

    It is worth repeating the fact that Not-The-President Biden and Zelensky are both pawns. The occupied White House has less intellectual capability that a woodchuck that has been run over by a lawn mower. Clearly, command & control are European figures.

    Say it this way — It is not clear Europe has an endgame.

    Now ask the logical question — What is Europe getting from a fight without an endgame?

    The Visegrád 4 had been unified in resisting Brussels threats to national sovereignty. How are Polish-Hungarian relations today? They placed a main opposition block in turmoil.

    An even larger group of nations was gearing up to block Merkel’s legacy of Open Muslim Borders. Now ~⅓ of all “Ukrainian” refugees are MENA origin on forged identity documents.

    Europe does not want an endgame! Perpetual chaos is what they are after.
    ___

    I know it hard to face the fact that the current conflict has very little to do with Ukraine or Russia, but what’s real is real. Europe stoked this violence to serve SJW Globalist goals. Berlin does not care how many Ukrainian kids die. Paris does not care how many Russian kids die.

    Putin is well past the point of no return. He cannot survive backing down. And, no one knows what the nuclear red line is. It may not be set in stone. Domestic Russian politics could be moving the red line on a daily basis.

    Europe needs to rein in their puppet Zelensky. But, it is not clear that they can. Momentum is a killer if you lose control of it. And, the Scholz/Macron golem construct is not yielding what they expected.

    PEACE 😇

  753. @AP
    @LatW


    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members.
     
    Indeed, this is why conspiracy theories like Bucha (or Sandy Hook, or that 9-11 didn't involve planes) are so stupid. Large numbers of victims (thus hundreds of relatives and friends), in populated towns with thousands of people. But they are all fooled, or all lying, right? But someone who heard from Alex Jones or whatever Russian website knows what really happened. He is not fooled.

    The best thing about such theories is that they indicate right away when someone has a combination of high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride. And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    This reminds me of a poll question that I previously asked: Who is stupider: Holocaust deniers or 9/11 truthers?

  754. LatW says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Weren't the Red Latvian Riflemen crucial for the crushing of the Left SR revolt in Moscow in the summer of 1918?

    And Yes, Lenin's mother was half-Jewish through her own father.

    Replies: @LatW

    Weren’t the Red Latvian Riflemen crucial for the crushing of the Left SR revolt in Moscow in the summer of 1918?

    Yes, because Lenin and Sverdlov specifically requested the help of the Riflemen and that they should arrive in Moscow from the south. I’ve often wonder why it was so, because it does sound like they were always begging for them (could be because they had had experience in the war).

    And apparently the SRs timed their revolt so that it was during the time that the Riflemen would be celebrating the Midsummer. Which they were, but they still managed to arrive there.

  755. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW
    @QCIC


    I knew that sympathizers is a loaded word the way I used it
     
    It's not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members. The Bucha victims are known by their names. For example, there is a lot of evidence that the Russians were looking for anyone who even had Ukrainian flags in their home.

    There are different kind of victims in general - many died because of the hardships that were imposed by the Russian occupation, especially in places such as Mariupol. However, when war crimes were committed, those are possible to investigate.

    But the biggest issue is that Russian troops shouldn't have been there in the first place. So that alone is a huge transgression. This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one's border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP, @A123

    This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one’s border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.

    I think you just made Putin’s core point. Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.

    Why was the Punishment Dam built if it was not intentionally targeting Russian farmers?

    Encroachment on the Russian military’s primary warm water port generated justified push back. The Kiev regime could have chosen differently, but they exacerbated their approach towards Russian strategic assets by breaking the Minsk accords.

    PEACE😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.
     
    Well, in this case Russia's main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could've lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @A123

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Should Russia have attacked the Baltic countries back in 2003 before they actually joined NATO?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  756. @A123
    @LatW


    This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one’s border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.
     
    I think you just made Putin's core point. Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.

    Why was the Punishment Dam built if it was not intentionally targeting Russian farmers?

    Encroachment on the Russian military's primary warm water port generated justified push back. The Kiev regime could have chosen differently, but they exacerbated their approach towards Russian strategic assets by breaking the Minsk accords.

    PEACE😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.

    Well, in this case Russia’s main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could’ve lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yep, Russia feels like it needs Ukraine in order to be a superpower/world-empire because Russians can't be bothered to breed as much as Israeli Jews are currently breeding. A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.

    Heck, even a TFR of ~2.35 is enough to have 0.5% annual natural growth with a neutral net migration balance. *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.

    (Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can't even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews, thus making Russian nationalism considerably faker and gayer than Israeli Jewish nationalism is. Though Israeli Jewish nationalism also certainly has its excesses, with its support of the occupation of the West Bank and its opposition to the Grandchild Clause in Israel's Law of Return.)

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ah you've been caught out. Good try to recover but you've been hit with a telling blow. Russia can see this alliance forming in the west moving eastward and saw it before with both Imperial Germany, The Third Reich and with earlier Napoleon's France. They are just doing what grand strategy dictates.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    , @A123
    @LatW


    Well, in this case Russia’s main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could’ve lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.
     
    The comparatively small size of the SMO does not mesh with your assertion. Capturing all of Ukraine by force would take over million troops.

    Presumably, the initial push at Kiev was intended to achieve regime change. This would not have resulted in annexation. Rather, the new government would have been put in place to disentangle itself from European machinations.

    Absorbing poorer areas is hard on the budget. That is why Russia had been trying to push independent Republics rather than absorbing them. Breaking and then reconstructing Ukraine was never a credible plan. Unless you believe Putin is as dense as GW.

    PEACE 😇

  757. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Worth noting that Hitler didn’t kill the Jews of either Bulgaria or the Old Kingdom of Romania in spite of his general murderous anti-Jewish tendencies. Those two countries, especially the latter one, had plenty of Jews and yet Hitler still chose to spare their Jews because they remained loyal to Hitler longer than Hungary was.

    You are talking about the remaining Jews of Bulgaria.
    https://www.bu.edu/articles/2012/how-bulgaria-saved-its-jews

    Romania was a collaborator:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Romania

    Bulgaria had 50k Jews while Hungary had 500k. It was more likely a decision based on economics than loyalty.

    Hungary had the last large population within the reach of the Hitler. As I pointed out before he used troops to take Hungary and round up Jews instead of protecting German women. He knew the war was lost and chose to kill Jews rather than protect Germans.

    Had Horthy been loyal to Hitler up to the very end like Antonescu was, chances are that he would have been able to save many more Greater Hungarian Jews, possibly even the overwhelming majority of them.

    It's the fault of Horthy that Hitler killed Hungary's Jews even though that was Hitler's plan for every European country?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, Romania was a collaborator in the Holocaust but not a total one. The Jews of southern Transylvania and the Romanian Old Kingdom territories were overwhelmingly spared from the Holocaust, after all, and their total population was slightly over 300,000, if I recall correctly. (Also, something like 50,000 Jews in Bessarabia combined with Bukovina survived the Holocaust, with slightly over 15,000 of them being in Chernivtsi. That’s also counted if one looks at Greater Romania.) Was Greater Hungary simply a more lucrative target because it had around 800,000-900,000 surviving Jews rather than “only” 300,000-400,000 surviving Jews in Greater Romania? Or was Horthy’s lack of continued loyalty vs. Antonescu’s continued loyalty a more important factor here?

    Worth noting that the Germans actually did have contingency plans to occupy Romania during World War II (called Operation Margarethe II) but never actually carried them out, unlike with Hungary (Operation Margarethe I):

    https://codenames.info/operation/margarethe-ii/

    As for Bulgaria, the Jews within Bulgaria’s pre-1939 borders almost completely survived the Holocaust, IIRC. But you’re right that there were only around 50,000 of them in total.

  758. @LatW
    @A123


    Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.
     
    Well, in this case Russia's main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could've lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @A123

    Yep, Russia feels like it needs Ukraine in order to be a superpower/world-empire because Russians can’t be bothered to breed as much as Israeli Jews are currently breeding. A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.

    Heck, even a TFR of ~2.35 is enough to have 0.5% annual natural growth with a neutral net migration balance. *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.

    (Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can’t even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews, thus making Russian nationalism considerably faker and gayer than Israeli Jewish nationalism is. Though Israeli Jewish nationalism also certainly has its excesses, with its support of the occupation of the West Bank and its opposition to the Grandchild Clause in Israel’s Law of Return.)

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.
     
    That's probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It's going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It's interesting because I've had similar thoughts as you write above - I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It's not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism - the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).


    *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.
     
    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they're done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?

    Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can’t even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews
     
    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can't fully judge whether the Russian Empire could've done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don't think they were very high).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    There is no such thing as "Israeli Jewish" nationalism. The term is an oxymoron. In Israel, one either primarily identifies as an "Israeli" or as a "Jew". Those who identify as Israeli are some of the least nationalistic people in the world (the only positive quality of this group, btw). This group also is strongly opposed to Israel being in Judea and Samaria and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.

    The self identified Jews are hardly very nationalistic either. The so called National Religious are, but the nationalism of the working class Mizrahim merely consists of anti Arab racism and the haredi aren't nationalistic at all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  759. @AP
    @LatW


    It’s not about who was a sympathizer, rather that it would be easy to find out who the victims are and even the circumstances of their death. People know their neighbors and family members.
     
    Indeed, this is why conspiracy theories like Bucha (or Sandy Hook, or that 9-11 didn't involve planes) are so stupid. Large numbers of victims (thus hundreds of relatives and friends), in populated towns with thousands of people. But they are all fooled, or all lying, right? But someone who heard from Alex Jones or whatever Russian website knows what really happened. He is not fooled.

    The best thing about such theories is that they indicate right away when someone has a combination of high stupidity, gullibility, and self-pride. And anything else they claim can be judged accordingly.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, off-topic, but would you say that Russia invading Ukraine is comparable to Nazi Germany invading the Netherlands instead of invading Poland? (Poland proper didn’t have any German-majority territories in 1939, IIRC. Danzig was German-majority but it was located outside of Poland, would mean risking a war with Poland and thus with the Anglo-French, and contained less than one million people in total. Conquering the Netherlands was theoretically much more lucrative for Hitler had he actually realized this. IIRC, the Anglo-French did not offer any guarantees to the Netherlands like they did to Poland, right?) Similar people, similar language, similar culture, and they were previously a part of the same political entity (the Holy Roman Empire in the case of the Germans and Dutch, back during the Middle Ages, which was actually somewhat more recent than Kievan Rus’ was).

    Hitler could have easily argued that the Dutch are a German people who have lost their German identity over the centuries and who need to be conquered by Germany so that they could finally reacquire their German identity. Hitler could have even pointed out that Dutch is extremely similar to the word Deutsch, which is used to refer to the German language in German.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are basically correct, but Russians are bitter about it and seem to be more angry about Ukrainians being “traitors” than the Deutsch were about the Dutch. There has been much more blood spilled.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  760. LatW says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yep, Russia feels like it needs Ukraine in order to be a superpower/world-empire because Russians can't be bothered to breed as much as Israeli Jews are currently breeding. A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.

    Heck, even a TFR of ~2.35 is enough to have 0.5% annual natural growth with a neutral net migration balance. *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.

    (Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can't even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews, thus making Russian nationalism considerably faker and gayer than Israeli Jewish nationalism is. Though Israeli Jewish nationalism also certainly has its excesses, with its support of the occupation of the West Bank and its opposition to the Grandchild Clause in Israel's Law of Return.)

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William

    A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.

    That’s probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It’s going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It’s interesting because I’ve had similar thoughts as you write above – I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It’s not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism – the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).

    *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.

    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they’re done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?

    Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can’t even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews

    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can’t fully judge whether the Russian Empire could’ve done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don’t think they were very high).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    That’s probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It’s going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It’s interesting because I’ve had similar thoughts as you write above – I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It’s not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism – the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).
     
    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands. Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine. Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.

    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they’re done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?
     
    Out-of-wedlock births are apparently relatively rare in Israel for a developed country:

    https://www.taubcenter.org.il/en/research/israels-exceptional-fertility/#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20non%2Dmarital%20fertility%20in,to%2017%25%20of%20all%20births.

    I would presume that this also applies to the non-Haredim who live there since they still make up most Jewish Israeli births AFAIK.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn't want. Though it's possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.

    My non-Jewish maternal uncle married a rather dull half-Jewish woman who gave birth in Israel at age 20 or 21 and didn't have to go through IDF service. I don't know if her already having a baby was the reason for this, but possibly?

    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).
     
    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can't hurt. It might not succeed, but it's still worth trying since the potential gains could be significant in the best-case scenario.

    You can also look at the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s Western world as an example of a successful relatively nationalistic pro-natalist culture. But unfortunately it didn't last. :( Still, it gave the West a solid demographic boost for a while, which certainly helped. For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans, mostly whites, by 2000 than it was projected to have in 2000 back in the early 1930s (in a magazine article titled the "A Nation of Elders").

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can’t fully judge whether the Russian Empire could’ve done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don’t think they were very high).
     
    FWIW, I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia's actual course of action in real life. Not entering WWI would have been by far the superior Russian course of action if one would have wanted to prevent suffering, especially involuntary suffering, though. I'm specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives as well as the Armenians who got murdered and who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI.

    Replies: @LatW

  761. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian nationalism is similar to Iranian, Indian or Chinese nationalism. It's a quilt, not a blanket.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Nationalism in Russia, that at least we are allowed to know about, is a right-wing ideology, with conspiracy theory, racism etc.

    Nationalism is very uncommon and marginal at least in the normal areas of the country. I’ve never met any nationalists. I don’t think I would know anyone, who knows anyone.

    There is a question whether this is natural, or is a successful political technology by the government to remove a nationalist option in the politics i.e. they only promote the most dislikeable nationalists as a kind of zoo, or circus of clowns. They don’t allow the normal nationalism.

    So, nationalism is viewed negatively in Russia today, but this can be partly the result of government engineering. I would guess, a normal nationalism would be a serious threat for the government, so they used the methods to suppress this.

    The ideology which is very common in Russia is jingoism, imperialism, militarism, patriotism etc. In the late soviet time, this was mapped to the Slavophiles, in the Westernizers vs. Slavophiles.

    By comparison, the Westernizers today are more anti-imperialist. Westernizers are the Russian liberalism, which is today the ideology of the small upper middle class in Russia.

    Putin used to talk to both sides, so he presents to the upper middle class, that he is a Westernizer. He presents, to security class and the main population, that he is a “patriot” etc.

    Of course, he is the “patriot” for external policy and internal legal and political structure. Westernizers agenda of Putin has a limit to the superficial terms importing Western shopping malls and popular culture, not balance of power or transparent accounting.

    Westernizers in Russia of course didn’t care about the shopping malls, they wanted parliamentary democracy and European things like bicycle infrastructure. Something about them, they still have a lot of more provincial and patriotic culture compared to the rulers, less internationalist, naive, and not cynical enough to have influence in the politics.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry


    By comparison, the Westernizers today are more anti-imperialist. Westernizers are the Russian liberalism, which is today the ideology of the small upper middle class in Russia.

     

    Do Westernizers in Russia want less corruption (at least reduce Russian corruption down to Polish levels over the decades), or do they simply want to steal more for themselves? Serious question, BTW.

    Eastern Europe is noticeably more corrupt than Western Europe is but it still varies by country. The further south in Eastern Europe one goes, the worse things generally tend to get. Georgia is a positive exception to this rule, though. With Russia being a negative exception to this rule.
  762. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.
     
    That's probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It's going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It's interesting because I've had similar thoughts as you write above - I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It's not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism - the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).


    *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.
     
    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they're done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?

    Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can’t even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews
     
    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can't fully judge whether the Russian Empire could've done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don't think they were very high).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    That’s probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It’s going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It’s interesting because I’ve had similar thoughts as you write above – I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It’s not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism – the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).

    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands. Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine. Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.

    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they’re done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?

    Out-of-wedlock births are apparently relatively rare in Israel for a developed country:

    https://www.taubcenter.org.il/en/research/israels-exceptional-fertility/#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20non%2Dmarital%20fertility%20in,to%2017%25%20of%20all%20births.

    I would presume that this also applies to the non-Haredim who live there since they still make up most Jewish Israeli births AFAIK.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn’t want. Though it’s possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.

    My non-Jewish maternal uncle married a rather dull half-Jewish woman who gave birth in Israel at age 20 or 21 and didn’t have to go through IDF service. I don’t know if her already having a baby was the reason for this, but possibly?

    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).

    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can’t hurt. It might not succeed, but it’s still worth trying since the potential gains could be significant in the best-case scenario.

    You can also look at the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s Western world as an example of a successful relatively nationalistic pro-natalist culture. But unfortunately it didn’t last. 🙁 Still, it gave the West a solid demographic boost for a while, which certainly helped. For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans, mostly whites, by 2000 than it was projected to have in 2000 back in the early 1930s (in a magazine article titled the “A Nation of Elders”).

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can’t fully judge whether the Russian Empire could’ve done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don’t think they were very high).

    FWIW, I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia’s actual course of action in real life. Not entering WWI would have been by far the superior Russian course of action if one would have wanted to prevent suffering, especially involuntary suffering, though. I’m specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives as well as the Armenians who got murdered and who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.
     
    Yea, it makes sense regarding the Netherlands, however, I was looking at it from a different, more esoteric, mystical angle, since this is also an aspect with Kiev as a symbol of the Rus. The Nazis probably viewed Scandinavia as some kind of a cradle for the Northern Germanic people, since they had the Lebensborn program there. The biological had a bit of an esoteric aspect there. However, I do not believe that the Nazis treated the Dutch or the Scandinavians condescendingly or with contempt (the way that Russians sometimes treat Ukrainians), they probably paternalized them and they also subdued the resistance, but they were probably inclined to shelter them for their racial qualities and kinship.

    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands.
     
    They don't see it that way - they believe that Kiev will not be in the Ukrainian hands but will be managed from Washington or "run by the Jews" (an opinion that you can witness in full splendor on this very forum). The Russian imperialist do not believe that the "little brothers" can run their own affairs (they seem them as wasting the territory that all Rus are entitled to). Or worse - they see them as traitors.

    Of course, normal Russians exist who do not see things this way. Either way, things will change considerably, thus we'll see whether there will be an attitude adjustment, probably not at first.

    Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine.
     
    It is how it should normally be with a country's capital. And Kyiv will thrive.

    Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.
     
    Some Russian nationalists would not mind, as long as there is a Slavic confederacy and they are allied with each other against outside forces. If they are friends, it doesn't matter, it only becomes a point of contention when they compete and hate each other.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn’t want.
     
    That would be way too brutal (and maybe not even doable), it would be cruel to both mother and child. It's already pushing it with the military service, even though it's understandable that Israel has to do it.

    Though it’s possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.
     
    Yea, this could also explain a relatively high TFR, if this is true. This is how Israel says to her women: you will serve, one way or another. But I'm sure there is a broad consensus on that and women don't mind. Worth asking.

    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can’t hurt.
     
    Most important is to have the relationship last long enough for the second child to be welcomed, if this could be achieved, this would solve the problem, and those couples who are more stable could go ahead and have more children.

    For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans
     
    White American birth rates / TFR were quite good as recent as the mid 1990s. Things probably started going downhill in the 2000s.

    I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia’s actual course of action in real life.
     
    I'm not sure what you mean here, but it may not have been possible to "crack down on defeatism" because the war was very exhausting, if you added more hardship to it, things could have gone even worse. They just didn't have enough supplies (or maybe it was too large). In general, the Russian Empire was forced to modernize fast which was challenging. There was a bad omen already way before the Revolution of 1905 and the war - the Khodynka stampede (in 1896), a very sad event, since the Tsar had brought such generous gifts and treats for everyone. It is difficult to organize such large events.

    I’m specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives
     
    This is a very painful topic, even as it is covered in poems and in prose. It was a complete catastrophe for my people, and also very tough on the boys, many of whom were very young. But somehow I feel that their spirit was elevated.

    who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI
     
    When these large empires collapse, everything is disturbed, unsettled and the people on the periphery suffer. Similarly to peoples who are positioned between large powers. I've been to the Armenian Genocide museum in Yerevan, it left quite an impression on me. It's sometimes good to see such things, it helps one put things into perspective, and see that other peoples and nations, too, have suffered, not just one's own people. Although that time was indeed unduly harsh on Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  763. @Dmitry
    @Greasy William

    Nationalism in Russia, that at least we are allowed to know about, is a right-wing ideology, with conspiracy theory, racism etc.

    Nationalism is very uncommon and marginal at least in the normal areas of the country. I've never met any nationalists. I don't think I would know anyone, who knows anyone.

    There is a question whether this is natural, or is a successful political technology by the government to remove a nationalist option in the politics i.e. they only promote the most dislikeable nationalists as a kind of zoo, or circus of clowns. They don't allow the normal nationalism.

    So, nationalism is viewed negatively in Russia today, but this can be partly the result of government engineering. I would guess, a normal nationalism would be a serious threat for the government, so they used the methods to suppress this.

    -

    The ideology which is very common in Russia is jingoism, imperialism, militarism, patriotism etc. In the late soviet time, this was mapped to the Slavophiles, in the Westernizers vs. Slavophiles.

    By comparison, the Westernizers today are more anti-imperialist. Westernizers are the Russian liberalism, which is today the ideology of the small upper middle class in Russia.

    Putin used to talk to both sides, so he presents to the upper middle class, that he is a Westernizer. He presents, to security class and the main population, that he is a "patriot" etc.

    Of course, he is the "patriot" for external policy and internal legal and political structure. Westernizers agenda of Putin has a limit to the superficial terms importing Western shopping malls and popular culture, not balance of power or transparent accounting.

    Westernizers in Russia of course didn't care about the shopping malls, they wanted parliamentary democracy and European things like bicycle infrastructure. Something about them, they still have a lot of more provincial and patriotic culture compared to the rulers, less internationalist, naive, and not cynical enough to have influence in the politics.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    By comparison, the Westernizers today are more anti-imperialist. Westernizers are the Russian liberalism, which is today the ideology of the small upper middle class in Russia.

    Do Westernizers in Russia want less corruption (at least reduce Russian corruption down to Polish levels over the decades), or do they simply want to steal more for themselves? Serious question, BTW.

    Eastern Europe is noticeably more corrupt than Western Europe is but it still varies by country. The further south in Eastern Europe one goes, the worse things generally tend to get. Georgia is a positive exception to this rule, though. With Russia being a negative exception to this rule.

  764. @A123
    @LatW


    This just goes to show that one must never ever let the enemy even approach anywhere near one’s border, probably one needs to destroy the enemy already on their soil at a relatively close distance when their intentions are visible.
     
    I think you just made Putin's core point. Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.

    Why was the Punishment Dam built if it was not intentionally targeting Russian farmers?

    Encroachment on the Russian military's primary warm water port generated justified push back. The Kiev regime could have chosen differently, but they exacerbated their approach towards Russian strategic assets by breaking the Minsk accords.

    PEACE😇

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    Should Russia have attacked the Baltic countries back in 2003 before they actually joined NATO?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. XYZ

    If you look at these tables:

    https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/states-by-population/
    https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/

    Lithuania ~ New Mexico
    Estonia ~ Maine
    Latvia ~ West Virginia

    Ukraine ~ California

    So you aren't comparing apples versus oranges but it's more like a watermelon versus oranges.

    There are obvious reasons the banker cartel bossess started with the Baltics and worked their way up.

  765. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    because these republics
     
    I meant the Russian ethno-nationalism is scarce, not the republics. It may not be as scarce as I used to think but still not that common. Maybe most Russians don't need it and are fine without it. :(

    I saw there are a lot of views and comments on the videos. Perhaps many of these are bots. At least, it’s easier for my ego to accept, than to believe these are real people.
     
    That's a very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not, because last year there was a big "patriotic" vibe. He's good though, if one can distance oneself from the ideology and what is going on. Decent voice and has had some folk singing training. But definitely it is not for the very young, more for middle age folks.

    Ok, I totally flunked your test, because, having checked out Zhigan & Dzhigan, I can confirm that it's highly unlikely they'd ever be on my radar. Sorry. :)


    Korzh is presenting no concerts until after the war is finishing.

     

    Did he openly say that this was his decision? Wow...

    I saw that some shows were cancelled. The pic in Riga is from the island with the TV station, there's a panoramic view of the old city from where he's standing, across the river. Hmmm.... he probably has friends or he may have been filming a video. He should hang more often.

    He put out a song recently, with a very touching but disturbing photo. Based on the lyrics I can tell he's ours, with us.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPVIWPap7X0

    Не могу...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    Maybe most Russians don’t need it

    There is some regional variation, with anti-racism/racism having the East-West dimension.

    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it’s possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.

    very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not,

    It’s more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?

    It seems like they add thousands of the subscribers as bots in late 2021, before popular videos were published. When there were zero subscribers when his older videos were published.

    I’m also not sure it is normal subscriptions jumping in vertical lines.

    he openly say that this was his decision? Wow…

    I saw that some shows were cancelled.

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.

    the IDF and have the children

    Having children in Israel is delayed and mothers are unusually old compared to other countries.

    Women are going to the army usually when they are 18-20. Then they go travel. Then they go to university.

    Average age of women having their first child in Israel is 30,6 years old.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b11xwxfyh#:~:text=Israeli%20women%20have%20an%20average,were%20born%20to%20married%20women.

    They have a kind of extended youth, so it’s common to only begin the career at age 27, 28, 29.
    https://youtu.be/6OO9ohgDWpI?t=469.

    Marriage is also very expensive there and they are commonly waiting until their 30s.

    urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing).

    I think there can be a culture related to the Middle Eastern people. E.g. Middle Eastern singers sing love songs about their baby.

    The words of the song are saying phrases like “there is no love in the world like mother’s love” (“ayn beolam ahavah kmo ahavah shel ima”).
    https://youtu.be/D4nm614Md_Q?t=74.

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the “courtly love” ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.

    , the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic

    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.

    Maybe also, Israel is a third wave feminist society, as there is a less gendered society. There is less difference between the men and the women.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine tasks, cleaning the baby etc. https://youtu.be/yaWAxueuOVg?t=66.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it’s possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.
     
    There is intellectual nationalism (vs plain vatnicism).

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.
     
    But that makes sense. Must be a nice, laid back atmosphere there, unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.


    It’s more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?
     
    He is artificially promoted, no doubt about that, prior to this he was only on those talent competition shows like Golos. It's a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic type of patriotism, but he does have a decent voice. But he doesn't really have an edge, although he tries to create that with his outfits and the stage manner.

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.
     
    That makes me respect him more. That's a very graceful way to show one's attitude. I understand - we won't be singing and dancing and jumping or drinking champagne on the beach as long as our brothers and sisters in Ukraine are dying. Wow, Max Korzh, Human Being with the capital letter. He's giving up a lot because his shows were packed. He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them that nobody wants to attack them from the European side and never would, so that they are not stressed and confused about everything. Poor kids, having to see all this at a young age.. :(

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the “courtly love” ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.
     
    This is true, although it didn't used to be that way in Europe. This really matters. By the way, in the States they have some remnants of this, for example, in Hallmark cards - there is a card for every family member, mom, sister, children's first years of life, of course, beloved husband and wife as well, but the whole family. It's not that way in Europe or it's not displayed as much.

    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.
     
    EE (and Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it's a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes that don't necessarily get lived out, since few people have a truly traditional lifestyle. Whereas Israel looks like it has kind of moved on. I'm not sure what is the right way, I have very mixed feelings about all this.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine task

     

    I think in reality they are both busy and that's why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio favors women, which is also better for the TFR, since men commit faster and stay committed. Which incidentally is confirmed by the woman in the video you posted.

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  766. LatW says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    That’s probably not why. They feel entitled to Ukraine and they cannot accept Ukraine in its current ideological format. It’s going to take a major attitude adjustment.

    It’s interesting because I’ve had similar thoughts as you write above – I have thought of Nazi Germany invading Denmark, Norway, as a comparison. It’s not a complete comparison, because Kyiv is the cultural center of the Rus the inheritance of which they are competing over (although some comparison can be made with Nordicism – the Nazis thought the real Aryans lived in the North, so Norway may could have been considered for Nazis for Kyiv is for Russians).
     
    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands. Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine. Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.

    How do the women manage to be in the IDF and have the children? Do they mostly have the children after they’re done with the service? For non-Haredis, are most children born within wedlock?
     
    Out-of-wedlock births are apparently relatively rare in Israel for a developed country:

    https://www.taubcenter.org.il/en/research/israels-exceptional-fertility/#:~:text=Nonetheless%2C%20non%2Dmarital%20fertility%20in,to%2017%25%20of%20all%20births.

    I would presume that this also applies to the non-Haredim who live there since they still make up most Jewish Israeli births AFAIK.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn't want. Though it's possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.

    My non-Jewish maternal uncle married a rather dull half-Jewish woman who gave birth in Israel at age 20 or 21 and didn't have to go through IDF service. I don't know if her already having a baby was the reason for this, but possibly?

    It might be that the kind of nationalist they have in Israel inspires more urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing). In Russia & the EE, the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic can be in some cases a bit dysfunctional and the relationships are not always stable. This is not something that can be easily tackled without some kind of a massive national solidarity (or other incentives).
     
    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can't hurt. It might not succeed, but it's still worth trying since the potential gains could be significant in the best-case scenario.

    You can also look at the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s Western world as an example of a successful relatively nationalistic pro-natalist culture. But unfortunately it didn't last. :( Still, it gave the West a solid demographic boost for a while, which certainly helped. For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans, mostly whites, by 2000 than it was projected to have in 2000 back in the early 1930s (in a magazine article titled the "A Nation of Elders").

    As to your comment re: WW1, I can’t fully judge whether the Russian Empire could’ve done better or had any decent chances, but I know that the Tsar did try to send some help to the Baltics, but it was insufficient. Because the casualties were high, this inspired some anger which only helped with radicalizing the Riflemen and making them lean even more leftist. However, they did send some troops from Siberia (some died in Latvia, I have to look up what their numbers were, but I don’t think they were very high).
     
    FWIW, I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia's actual course of action in real life. Not entering WWI would have been by far the superior Russian course of action if one would have wanted to prevent suffering, especially involuntary suffering, though. I'm specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives as well as the Armenians who got murdered and who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI.

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    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Yea, it makes sense regarding the Netherlands, however, I was looking at it from a different, more esoteric, mystical angle, since this is also an aspect with Kiev as a symbol of the Rus. The Nazis probably viewed Scandinavia as some kind of a cradle for the Northern Germanic people, since they had the Lebensborn program there. The biological had a bit of an esoteric aspect there. However, I do not believe that the Nazis treated the Dutch or the Scandinavians condescendingly or with contempt (the way that Russians sometimes treat Ukrainians), they probably paternalized them and they also subdued the resistance, but they were probably inclined to shelter them for their racial qualities and kinship.

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    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands.

    They don’t see it that way – they believe that Kiev will not be in the Ukrainian hands but will be managed from Washington or “run by the Jews” (an opinion that you can witness in full splendor on this very forum). The Russian imperialist do not believe that the “little brothers” can run their own affairs (they seem them as wasting the territory that all Rus are entitled to). Or worse – they see them as traitors.

    Of course, normal Russians exist who do not see things this way. Either way, things will change considerably, thus we’ll see whether there will be an attitude adjustment, probably not at first.

    Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine.

    It is how it should normally be with a country’s capital. And Kyiv will thrive.

    Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.

    Some Russian nationalists would not mind, as long as there is a Slavic confederacy and they are allied with each other against outside forces. If they are friends, it doesn’t matter, it only becomes a point of contention when they compete and hate each other.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn’t want.

    That would be way too brutal (and maybe not even doable), it would be cruel to both mother and child. It’s already pushing it with the military service, even though it’s understandable that Israel has to do it.

    Though it’s possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.

    Yea, this could also explain a relatively high TFR, if this is true. This is how Israel says to her women: you will serve, one way or another. But I’m sure there is a broad consensus on that and women don’t mind. Worth asking.

    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can’t hurt.

    Most important is to have the relationship last long enough for the second child to be welcomed, if this could be achieved, this would solve the problem, and those couples who are more stable could go ahead and have more children.

    For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans

    White American birth rates / TFR were quite good as recent as the mid 1990s. Things probably started going downhill in the 2000s.

    I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia’s actual course of action in real life.

    I’m not sure what you mean here, but it may not have been possible to “crack down on defeatism” because the war was very exhausting, if you added more hardship to it, things could have gone even worse. They just didn’t have enough supplies (or maybe it was too large). In general, the Russian Empire was forced to modernize fast which was challenging. There was a bad omen already way before the Revolution of 1905 and the war – the Khodynka stampede (in 1896), a very sad event, since the Tsar had brought such generous gifts and treats for everyone. It is difficult to organize such large events.

    I’m specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives

    This is a very painful topic, even as it is covered in poems and in prose. It was a complete catastrophe for my people, and also very tough on the boys, many of whom were very young. But somehow I feel that their spirit was elevated.

    who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI

    When these large empires collapse, everything is disturbed, unsettled and the people on the periphery suffer. Similarly to peoples who are positioned between large powers. I’ve been to the Armenian Genocide museum in Yerevan, it left quite an impression on me. It’s sometimes good to see such things, it helps one put things into perspective, and see that other peoples and nations, too, have suffered, not just one’s own people. Although that time was indeed unduly harsh on Eastern Europeans.

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    @LatW


    They don’t see it that way – they believe that Kiev will not be in the Ukrainian hands but will be managed from Washington or “run by the Jews” (an opinion that you can witness in full splendor on this very forum). The Russian imperialist do not believe that the “little brothers” can run their own affairs (they seem them as wasting the territory that all Rus are entitled to). Or worse – they see them as traitors.
     
    Yep, the logic is that Ukrainians can't govern themselves, so it's either having them be governed by Russians or having them be governed by those who are hostile towards Russia. A very infantilizing logic towards Ukrainians. Though unfortunately Ukraine's first 25 years post-independence haven't exactly been a huge success story.

    That would be way too brutal (and maybe not even doable), it would be cruel to both mother and child. It’s already pushing it with the military service, even though it’s understandable that Israel has to do it.
     
    Forcing women into military service is egalitarian if men also have to do this.

    Yea, this could also explain a relatively high TFR, if this is true. This is how Israel says to her women: you will serve, one way or another. But I’m sure there is a broad consensus on that and women don’t mind. Worth asking.
     
    Yep, I suspect that patriotism is a bigger deal in Israel than it is in some Western countries.

    Most important is to have the relationship last long enough for the second child to be welcomed, if this could be achieved, this would solve the problem, and those couples who are more stable could go ahead and have more children.
     
    That would require people to choose better mates, which might be tricky if people are frequently horny lol.

    White American birth rates / TFR were quite good as recent as the mid 1990s. Things probably started going downhill in the 2000s.
     
    Possibly, but they were still much higher in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s.

    I’m not sure what you mean here, but it may not have been possible to “crack down on defeatism” because the war was very exhausting, if you added more hardship to it, things could have gone even worse. They just didn’t have enough supplies (or maybe it was too large). In general, the Russian Empire was forced to modernize fast which was challenging. There was a bad omen already way before the Revolution of 1905 and the war – the Khodynka stampede (in 1896), a very sad event, since the Tsar had brought such generous gifts and treats for everyone. It is difficult to organize such large events.
     
    I just find it interesting that defeatism set in in Russia at the very same time that the US had entered WWI, thus making long-term victory virtually certain for the Entente. Of course, maybe Russians feared that they would have still had to fight for 2+ additional years in order to achieve victory in WWI and thus preferred a negotiated peace over the additional casualties that this would result in. But it's a huge shame, because Russia ended up getting the worse of both worlds: A negotiated peace plus many more additional casualties in both the Russian Civil War and WWII. Had Russia made a separate peace before the Bolshevik coup, things would have likely been much, much better for Russia, both short-term and long-term.

    This is a very painful topic, even as it is covered in poems and in prose. It was a complete catastrophe for my people, and also very tough on the boys, many of whom were very young. But somehow I feel that their spirit was elevated.
     
    Yes, one can certainly get a morale boost from being a hero.

    When these large empires collapse, everything is disturbed, unsettled and the people on the periphery suffer. Similarly to peoples who are positioned between large powers. I’ve been to the Armenian Genocide museum in Yerevan, it left quite an impression on me. It’s sometimes good to see such things, it helps one put things into perspective, and see that other peoples and nations, too, have suffered, not just one’s own people. Although that time was indeed unduly harsh on Eastern Europeans.
     
    At least WWI was good for the peoples of Eastern Europe due to it securing independence for many of them (albeit not, unfortunately, for the Ukrainians and Belarusians). But the Armenians really did get fucked by WWI. A genocide and no long-term independence either until 1991. And decades of Bolshevik rule in the meantime!
  767. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Maybe most Russians don’t need it

     

    There is some regional variation, with anti-racism/racism having the East-West dimension.

    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it's possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.


    very good question, are those bots or not? Probably not,

     

    It's more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?

    It seems like they add thousands of the subscribers as bots in late 2021, before popular videos were published. When there were zero subscribers when his older videos were published.

    I'm also not sure it is normal subscriptions jumping in vertical lines.
    https://i.postimg.cc/g0z4hwc9/sdfsdsdddds.jpg


    he openly say that this was his decision? Wow…

    I saw that some shows were cancelled.

     

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.

    the IDF and have the children
     
    Having children in Israel is delayed and mothers are unusually old compared to other countries.

    Women are going to the army usually when they are 18-20. Then they go travel. Then they go to university.

    Average age of women having their first child in Israel is 30,6 years old.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/b11xwxfyh#:~:text=Israeli%20women%20have%20an%20average,were%20born%20to%20married%20women.

    They have a kind of extended youth, so it's common to only begin the career at age 27, 28, 29.
    https://youtu.be/6OO9ohgDWpI?t=469.

    Marriage is also very expensive there and they are commonly waiting until their 30s.


    urgency when it comes to having children (or it might be a southern thing).

     

    I think there can be a culture related to the Middle Eastern people. E.g. Middle Eastern singers sing love songs about their baby.

    The words of the song are saying phrases like “there is no love in the world like mother’s love” (“ayn beolam ahavah kmo ahavah shel ima”).
    https://youtu.be/D4nm614Md_Q?t=74.

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the "courtly love" ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.


    , the nationalism is more focused on slogans and the political life, not the biological aspects. The mating dynamic
     
    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.

    Maybe also, Israel is a third wave feminist society, as there is a less gendered society. There is less difference between the men and the women.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine tasks, cleaning the baby etc. https://youtu.be/yaWAxueuOVg?t=66.

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    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it’s possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.

    There is intellectual nationalism (vs plain vatnicism).

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.

    But that makes sense. Must be a nice, laid back atmosphere there, unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.

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    It’s more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?

    He is artificially promoted, no doubt about that, prior to this he was only on those talent competition shows like Golos. It’s a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic type of patriotism, but he does have a decent voice. But he doesn’t really have an edge, although he tries to create that with his outfits and the stage manner.

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.

    That makes me respect him more. That’s a very graceful way to show one’s attitude. I understand – we won’t be singing and dancing and jumping or drinking champagne on the beach as long as our brothers and sisters in Ukraine are dying. Wow, Max Korzh, Human Being with the capital letter. He’s giving up a lot because his shows were packed. He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them that nobody wants to attack them from the European side and never would, so that they are not stressed and confused about everything. Poor kids, having to see all this at a young age.. 🙁

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the “courtly love” ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.

    This is true, although it didn’t used to be that way in Europe. This really matters. By the way, in the States they have some remnants of this, for example, in Hallmark cards – there is a card for every family member, mom, sister, children’s first years of life, of course, beloved husband and wife as well, but the whole family. It’s not that way in Europe or it’s not displayed as much.

    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.

    EE (and Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it’s a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes that don’t necessarily get lived out, since few people have a truly traditional lifestyle. Whereas Israel looks like it has kind of moved on. I’m not sure what is the right way, I have very mixed feelings about all this.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine task

    I think in reality they are both busy and that’s why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio favors women, which is also better for the TFR, since men commit faster and stay committed. Which incidentally is confirmed by the woman in the video you posted.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    intellectual nationalism
     
    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn't a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views. There is the indication he wasn't part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov's zoo.

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children's story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn't care, because if the laundry machine the raison d'être of the system why would it be its weakness.

    unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.
     

    Yes, it's freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.

    So, Moscow, they had enough money to convert to the digital gulag, but they would never have enough investment in half of the country.

    Although unfortunately, it is still less budget needed to add microphones in the schools, than to have clean water sources.


    It’s a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic

     

    A lot of the theme, is like "we have a young person "fashionable looking person" who respects the older generation".

    He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them
     
    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.

    It's the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.

    It's why he the special connection with the youth, because it's how they still teach everyone in school. Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18. Until you are 18, all the teachers present like there will be "successful career" and improving the world as the future engineers, scientists and doctors. But this future of jobs and world the education system prepares youth for, is the ghost which doesn't exist in the region since the 1980s.


    Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it’s a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes
     
    It's overall, feeling more like matriarchy than patriarchy. In the first day of school, every child in the classroom knows, the girls are more privileged than the boys, not without reason. They are doing better school work, they are more responsible people, probably they are more intelligent, at least this was the impression of youth.

    This is still matched in the reality of life in Russia, even when most of the population are losers in a resource extraction colony, smore women generally more upward mobile, more organized, living better than men.

    She is the best commentator about Israel in my opinion, which few reporters describe, but her views especially about Russia, are biased from her gender, if she believes men are privileged in Russia.

    She's an example of the most pedantic well organized kind of women in Russia, with good survival skills and upward mobile. The way those YouTubers produce videos, reminds of the girls from the first day in school, with the neat and organized books.

    She's from Chelyabinsk, from ordinary background I guess. Without having profession, without husband with profession. Within a few years of emigration , she is talking how she organized Israeli middle class life, posting about the $600,000 apartment, all pedantically, managing a few children. If the Russian army was organized like this.


    they are both busy and that’s why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio

     

    Something she talks about, but they don't say in other places is how the secular Jews go to bed early.

    If it's 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can't see Russian people, it's lots of Israelis everywhere. If it's 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn't go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.

    It's one of the main things about Jewish culture, which somehow isn't in the stereotypes. To say negatively, they are perhaps on average more boring, or to say positively, they are more nonprocrastinating.

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  768. S says:
    @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don't care about preserving even basic things. We're in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

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    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.

    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.

    Mercury upthread had a good response to the Anglin types, ie their complete denunciation and shunning, and the display of heartfelt goodwill towards others.

    Regarding the dysfunctional/co-dependent relationship which has long existed between many Euro peoples and the Jewish people, a poisonous and destructive relationship which is ultimately bad for all parties concerned, pretending the ‘other’ in each instance doesn’t exist, or, attempting to genocide the ‘other’ in some fashion clearly isn’t the moral answer. Amicable if at all possible separation from each other in mutual respect is probably best.

    There are of course those (who at least claim) that race or ethnicity doesn’t in reality exist at all, that it’s all just a phantasm.

    As the world is a big place, a place just for them with amply documented abundant resources and space should be allowed for. There they can virtue signal to each other as much as they like, ‘mix’ with abandon to their heart’s content, exploit Sub-Saharan Africans sexually as much as they want without interference from anyone, import as many wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) from the rest of the world as they want to do the work that they both refuse to do themselves and pay a living wage for, etc, etc.

    Not that I would wish this upon them or anyone else for that matter (ie they should choose life affirming activities instead), but this path they have chosen for themselves of unbridled wantoness and greed would probably ultimately result in their complete and utter destruction.

    Allowing for amicable separation would be fair to all parties concerned. Unfortunately, instead of that life affirming path, the world as a whole (unless something forcibly intervenes) seems to be going down the totalitarian road of self destruction lastly described.

    Some excerpts below from a couple of very insightful and outstanding articles from Psychology Today on a personality trait known as ‘wound collecting’.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors

    On Wound Collectors

    ‘They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized.’

    ‘For these folks, there is never a fix or a cure. Nothing is ever good enough and apologies mean nothing. For them, there is always yet another event they perceive as a slight or a grievance. For them, the world holds nothing but nastiness and it affects how they see the world and how they react to the world—suspiciously and with contempt. When irrationality, antagonism, and rigidity combine with unyielding overconfidence in their own sentiments and beliefs go unchecked or are not attenuated, these individuals become metastable—ready to ignite and explode.’

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    What is the definition of a wound collector or wound collecting?

    ‘Wound collecting is the conscious and systematic collection and preservation of transgressions, violations, social wrongs, grievances, injustice, unfair treatment, or slights of self and others, for the purpose of nourishing, fortifying, or justifying a malignant ideology, furthering hatred, satisfying a pathology, or for exacting revenge.’

    What kinds of people meet these criteria?

    ‘Anyone who — because of a personality disorder, character traits (e.g., insecurities, paranoia, fear, xenophobia) or emotional instability — inflexibly seeks to collect wounds and slights for a purpose that usually has negative social consequences or is self-serving. This can be anyone from a spouse, to a terrorist, to a mass killer.’

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @S

    There's an old dirty joke about healing wounds. In Gethsemane awaiting Jesus arrest the Apostles send in Mary Magdelene so that Jesus doesn't die a virgin. Mary comes out shrieking. The Apostles ask what happened, "All was going well but He took one look said 'you've been cut terribly i'll heal it!' put his hand in my pussy and sealed up my cunt."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLUH6LMgA-w


    Humans like their injuries. Especially these violent people in the East.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

  769. @AP
    @Beckow


    You have this touching belief that ‘Poland with Ukraine‘ will win. Based on what? 17th century? Not really, they lost at the end
     
    They did not. The last time that Poland + Ukraine fought against Russia, Russia lost.

    Only after the rebellion in which Khmelnytsky removed Ukraine (at least 60% of it) from Poland and joined it to Russia, did Russia start to win.

    It’s been the historical task of the Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky. Doing so will result in the restoration of the independence of central-eastern Europe and relegation of Russia to its traditional role in Europe's periphery. Either as servant of some Asian power, or as civilizer of some eastern places.

    We are seeing this happening. You picked the wrong master.

    1920? M&R 20 years later was about reversing 1920
     
    As Mr. XYZ correctly noted, M & R involved a Russia that had already been united with 80% of Ukraine. Russia alone was defeated by Poland (and some auxiliary Polish-allied Ukrainian forces) in 1920.

    And M&R involved both Germany and the Soviets together against Poland. With Germans doing most of the fighting. Soviets just took on the Polish remnants.

    You and Russians who ascribe Soviet or Russian Empire successes (19th century, World War II) to modern Rusfed conveniently forget that Ukrainians were about 1/3 of those forces. Rusfed in contrast is like early 17th century Muscovy (often defeated by Poland-Lithuania) or 1920 Russia (defeated by Poland).

    Quoting wiki selectively or the British intelligence (Britannica?) is not a valid argument
     
    Dismissing the statement of Encyclopedia Britannica about Pilsudski repeatedly refusing to meet Hitler and refusing a German alliance as not reliable because it is supposedly British intelligence is not a valid argument.

    There is a lot more data showing that Poland was an ally of Germany in the 1930’s then that Soviets were

     

    And yet you have never provided any such data. Yet I have shown that the Soviets provided a massive amount of material to their Nazi ally’s war machine in 1939-1941.

    Delaying the German attack and controlling a huge Western Ukraine-Belarus middle space was very important to the eventual Russian victory
     
    Oh, I never denied that being the Nazi’s ally was useful for the USSR. It’s good that you admit it.

    I only pointed out that Poland’s agreement with the Nazis was limited to border recognition and not to attack one another, while Soviets were true allies - suppliers of vital raw materials and coordinating with the division of Europe.

    but the Poles have only themselves to blame for ending up as the ultimate losers
     
    They paid a heavy price for choosing to fight the Nazis rather than ally with them as the Slovaks did and as the Soviets did. But if the Poles had not done so the fate of the Slavs would have been much worse. The lack of gratitude for this by Russians and their lackeys is incredible.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.

    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks. (Right there with your fond memories of the murderous Habsburg bastards.) It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths and on thick-as-a-brick propaganda that they are blissfully unaware off.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that – the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason? Let’s see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers and would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2.

    You are peeing into a hurricane and thinking it does something. The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat, the Western haters and papists have tried it for centuries – and failed.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles – but it is interesting that it floats through your mind: instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians. And of course, to Belorussians, Russified-Ukies, and Jews – that was the Nazi deal and came with the joining them. You are subconsciously unhinged, and that goes back to your mis-education.

    Refightiong the 17th century Khmelnitsky treason – that is just so precious. I think you will be disappointed…:)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    To be blunt about it, there must have been Poles who did side with the Third Reich. Polish identity can be pretty fluid and subservient to Germans or Russians or swedes etc when there is a career riding cavalry to eke out. There are a lot of German troops with Polish sounding names in the annals of ww2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    “Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.”

    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks
     
    Given that at least two of my direct ancestors were participants in the uprising I am hardly an outsider.

    But are we are seeing a glimmer of self-awareness by you? You are an outsider, ignorant, and moronic, and making claims about Poland, Ukraine, and Russia whose languages you do not speak and whose countries (at least 2 of the 3) you have never seen with your own eyes.

    It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths
     
    Other than that movie with Yul Brenner, Hollywood has avoided this topic.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that – the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason
     
    In your ignorance you failed to realize that Ukraine and Russia had different Orthodox Churches back then, and the Ukrainian Church hierarchy opposed Khmelnytsky’s deal with Muscovy.

    Or that PLC’s main negotiator and Senate member was an Orthodox.

    But perhaps you are starting to understand that the Catholics who moved against their Catholic Hapsburg monarch were traitors.

    Let’s see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers
     
    When united with Ukraine the two defeated Russia most of the time.

    In your ignorance you claimed the opposite.

    would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2

     

    As we have seen, if not for the Poles repeatedly refusing an alliance with Germany, the Russians would not exist.

    The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat
     
    Indeed. This is why Russia wants to reabsorb Ukraine. But it can’t do it. And without Ukraine, it is just Russia.

    Just Russia was defeated by Poland in 1920.

    Just Russia was defeated numerous times by Ukraine + Poland + Lithuania when those countries were united.

    And in 2022, Just Russia failed to conquer Ukraine. It has only managed to take 18% of it. Let’s see if it manages to keep it. It might, or might not.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles

     

    Oops:

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians

     

    Poles refused to do this. They do not have sick minds, like yours.

    Because decent Poles refused to ally with Nazis (unlike your Slovaks, who were eager allies - and unlike the Soviets themselves), millions of Poles perished.

    Russia exists because of the self-sacrifice of the decent Poles.

    :::::::::

    How does it feel that the chances of your would-be master owning territory up to the Slovak border are fading. Time to choose a new one, to fulfill your purpose as a natural lackey? Be like the Russians and serve the Chinese? Or go for India, a rising power? You can practice with your local representatives of the Indian diaspora, the Roma. Serve them well.
  770. PiS Poland has banned Jared Taylor a second time.

    Poland seems to be woker than any Western Euro country, when it had the same demographics.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    He claims he's not just banned from Poland (which would at least be understandable from a desire to avoid diplomatic complications with the US, similarly to how Hungary banned Richard Spencer from its national territory), but from the entire Schengen zone:
    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2023/05/why-i-cannot-be-with-you-today/

    I'm not totally sure how this works, does Poland really have the power to make such decisions affecting most of the EU? But yeah, pretty lame if it's accurate. But not really surprising.

    Replies: @songbird

  771. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    PiS Poland has banned Jared Taylor a second time.

    Poland seems to be woker than any Western Euro country, when it had the same demographics.

    Replies: @German_reader

    He claims he’s not just banned from Poland (which would at least be understandable from a desire to avoid diplomatic complications with the US, similarly to how Hungary banned Richard Spencer from its national territory), but from the entire Schengen zone:
    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2023/05/why-i-cannot-be-with-you-today/

    I’m not totally sure how this works, does Poland really have the power to make such decisions affecting most of the EU? But yeah, pretty lame if it’s accurate. But not really surprising.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings. Doesn't fill me with confidence for parliamentary democracy, especially with declining demographics.

    In fact, not that I consider it part of Europe, but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is, and they are looking to weaken their presidency.

    Replies: @German_reader

  772. @S
    @LatW



    Most of these self-described White nationalists don’t have children or families. Anglin openly hates White women and told us that they f-ck dogs.
     
    Some Jews are definitely problematic (even as a group, but not all), but these Anglin types are just as bad since they don’t care about preserving even basic things. We’re in a terrible situation now, where we have to deal with both of these! We need to treat both sternly.
     
    Mercury upthread had a good response to the Anglin types, ie their complete denunciation and shunning, and the display of heartfelt goodwill towards others.

    Regarding the dysfunctional/co-dependent relationship which has long existed between many Euro peoples and the Jewish people, a poisonous and destructive relationship which is ultimately bad for all parties concerned, pretending the 'other' in each instance doesn't exist, or, attempting to genocide the 'other' in some fashion clearly isn't the moral answer. Amicable if at all possible separation from each other in mutual respect is probably best.

    There are of course those (who at least claim) that race or ethnicity doesn't in reality exist at all, that it's all just a phantasm.

    As the world is a big place, a place just for them with amply documented abundant resources and space should be allowed for. There they can virtue signal to each other as much as they like, 'mix' with abandon to their heart's content, exploit Sub-Saharan Africans sexually as much as they want without interference from anyone, import as many wage slaves (ie so called 'cheap labor') from the rest of the world as they want to do the work that they both refuse to do themselves and pay a living wage for, etc, etc.

    Not that I would wish this upon them or anyone else for that matter (ie they should choose life affirming activities instead), but this path they have chosen for themselves of unbridled wantoness and greed would probably ultimately result in their complete and utter destruction.

    Allowing for amicable separation would be fair to all parties concerned. Unfortunately, instead of that life affirming path, the world as a whole (unless something forcibly intervenes) seems to be going down the totalitarian road of self destruction lastly described.

    Some excerpts below from a couple of very insightful and outstanding articles from Psychology Today on a personality trait known as 'wound collecting'.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/wound-collectors

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors

    On Wound Collectors

    'They don’t forgive or forget and they don’t move on. They wallow in the actual or often perceived transgressions of others and they allow sentiments of animosity and vengeance to percolate and froth at the surface by their constant and attentive nurturing of those perceived wounds. As you can imagine, in an imperfect world where there are real injustices, where people make mistakes, and stupid things are said and done, the wound collector never has to go far to feel victimized.'

    'For these folks, there is never a fix or a cure. Nothing is ever good enough and apologies mean nothing. For them, there is always yet another event they perceive as a slight or a grievance. For them, the world holds nothing but nastiness and it affects how they see the world and how they react to the world—suspiciously and with contempt. When irrationality, antagonism, and rigidity combine with unyielding overconfidence in their own sentiments and beliefs go unchecked or are not attenuated, these individuals become metastable—ready to ignite and explode.'
     

    What is the definition of a wound collector or wound collecting?

    'Wound collecting is the conscious and systematic collection and preservation of transgressions, violations, social wrongs, grievances, injustice, unfair treatment, or slights of self and others, for the purpose of nourishing, fortifying, or justifying a malignant ideology, furthering hatred, satisfying a pathology, or for exacting revenge.'

    What kinds of people meet these criteria?

    'Anyone who — because of a personality disorder, character traits (e.g., insecurities, paranoia, fear, xenophobia) or emotional instability — inflexibly seeks to collect wounds and slights for a purpose that usually has negative social consequences or is self-serving. This can be anyone from a spouse, to a terrorist, to a mass killer.'
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    There’s an old dirty joke about healing wounds. In Gethsemane awaiting Jesus arrest the Apostles send in Mary Magdelene so that Jesus doesn’t die a virgin. Mary comes out shrieking. The Apostles ask what happened, “All was going well but He took one look said ‘you’ve been cut terribly i’ll heal it!’ put his hand in my pussy and sealed up my cunt.”

    Humans like their injuries. Especially these violent people in the East.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    You're 100% sicko for posting this profanity here on this website. All I can say is that you're lucky that most of the readers here are not like Moslems that don't tolerate such rude insults towards their Prophet, or else you'd be personally slated for "rehabilitation" of a permanent nature. :-(

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @S
    @Wokechoke

    Why, that's terrible! :-)

    (As an aside, I'm a little surprised YouTube let that one slip through without even a warning. Funny how that works.)

  773. @LatW
    @A123


    Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.
     
    Well, in this case Russia's main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could've lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @A123

    Ah you’ve been caught out. Good try to recover but you’ve been hit with a telling blow. Russia can see this alliance forming in the west moving eastward and saw it before with both Imperial Germany, The Third Reich and with earlier Napoleon’s France. They are just doing what grand strategy dictates.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    I've looked back through your comments and you appear to have been predicting an easy Russian victory back in Feb 2022. In particular, I found your extreme self-confidence very striking.

    Do you still have this opinion? And if so/not, why so/not?

    Replies: @Matra

    , @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    In a war like this, both sides will use force to stop civilians who they determine may give aid to enemy troops.

    +++

    Russia has a large military; much smaller than the Soviets but larger than any European force. After the Maidan coup, the Ukrainians started shooting and assaulting Russian-speaking civilians in the Eastern part of the country (using artillery on cities IIRC!), less than a hundred miles from the Russian border.

    What did the Ukrainians think was going to happen? This question is so silly it answers itself: the Russians would eventually engage with and destroy the Ukrainian troops to stop these murders.

    I think the delayed response by Russia while they tried other avenues to sort things out reinforced Western delusions. This took so long many people were lulled into a sense of unfounded confidence. Russia was taking the time to prepare to fight a major war on her border. This combat is what the West wanted, so Russia got ready to fight the war on her own terms as much as possible.

    Ukraine will likely come out of this a broken shell of what it was a few years ago. Many in the West will consider this result a complete success with "Mission Accomplished!" Unfortunately for Western schemers they had not counted on Russia being able to prepare economically and military for the war, so the result will be a hollow victory for them, though not for Russia. The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  774. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.
     
    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks. (Right there with your fond memories of the murderous Habsburg bastards.) It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths and on thick-as-a-brick propaganda that they are blissfully unaware off.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that - the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason? Let's see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers and would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2.

    You are peeing into a hurricane and thinking it does something. The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat, the Western haters and papists have tried it for centuries - and failed.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles - but it is interesting that it floats through your mind: instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians. And of course, to Belorussians, Russified-Ukies, and Jews - that was the Nazi deal and came with the joining them. You are subconsciously unhinged, and that goes back to your mis-education.

    Refightiong the 17th century Khmelnitsky treason - that is just so precious. I think you will be disappointed...:)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    To be blunt about it, there must have been Poles who did side with the Third Reich. Polish identity can be pretty fluid and subservient to Germans or Russians or swedes etc when there is a career riding cavalry to eke out. There are a lot of German troops with Polish sounding names in the annals of ww2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ...Polish identity can be pretty fluid and subservient to Germans or Russians or swedes
     
    It goes further, and not only among the Poles. A large number of Germans troops who attacked Russia were Volksdeutsche or people whose ethnicity was fluid and regional: Pomeranian, Kashubian, Silesian...In Czechia people freely moved to and from German (pre-1918) to Czech (1918-39), back to German in WW2, and claiming again that they are Czechs in 1945. For women there was no cost, and huge benefits, but for men it meant being drafted to the German army.

    Donald Tusk is a good example. Something similar is happening in eastern Ukraine and people who think that the fluid identities stick don't know history and human nature. The winner will eventually consolidate it. Winning is the only thing now, and both sides know it. Ultima ratio regis...
  775. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:

    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.

    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

    This leads me to doubt their entire message since they either lack even starter level knowledge about what they are talking or they are actively lying in easily disprovable ways.

    Does anyone here have any particular personalities to vouch for? Maybe one who still supports the Russian side and has a track record of competence? Anatoly Karlin is instead now arguing that Russia should essentially beg for peace now and could then keep Crimea, but this is the best deal they will ever get. A result that everyone would see as an unimaginable loss for Russia at the beginning of the war and their consignment to moderate regional power status. I cannot believe it.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.
     
    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

     
    A Patriot system is composed of three major pieces. M901 Launchers are exposed and expendable. The AN/MPQ-53/65 radars are typically deployed with some redundancy. The Ukrainian equipment list is not terribly detailed.

    Presumably what they Russians are claiming they took out is the command vehicle: (1)

    The Engagement Control Station calculates trajectories for interceptors and controls the launching sequence. As such, it communicates with the launcher stations and other PATRIOT batteries. It is the only manned station in a PATRIOT fire unit.
    ...

    AN/MSQ-104 Control Station is the command and control unit of the entire Patriot system. The ECS consists of a shelter mounted on the chassis of an M927 5-Ton Cargo Truck or on the chassis of a Light Medium Tactical Vehicle (LMTV) cargo truck. The MSQ-104 has a crew of 3.
     

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/north_america/united_states/missile_vehicle_system/an_msq-104/AN_MSQ-104_Engagement_Control_Station_Patriot_MIM-104_925_001.jpg

     

    If this nondescript looking truck is blown up, nothing else works. And, the chance of a ready spare is virtually nil. The entire Patriot system is likely to be out of commission for days, weeks, or longer, until replacement equipment and highly specialized crew can be found.

    The claim has superficial plausibility.

    If the Ukrainians are using proper doctrine, the mobile system should relocate irregularly and frequently. The issue would be intelligence. The targeting details would have to be passed from the field to the Khinzal launch command authority. Then be turned into a mission fairly quickly.

    If the story is true. Either, the Russians were unusually efficient (or just lucky). Or, the Ukrainians did something predictable. If the newer support teams are spending excessive time taking down, moving, and coming back into service.... There would be a great deal of temptation to slow down the move tempo so the system has more time available for use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.armyrecognition.com/united_states_american_missile_system_vehicle_uk/patriot_mim-104_surface-to-air_defense_missile_data_sheet_specifications_information_description.html

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  776. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ah you've been caught out. Good try to recover but you've been hit with a telling blow. Russia can see this alliance forming in the west moving eastward and saw it before with both Imperial Germany, The Third Reich and with earlier Napoleon's France. They are just doing what grand strategy dictates.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    I’ve looked back through your comments and you appear to have been predicting an easy Russian victory back in Feb 2022. In particular, I found your extreme self-confidence very striking.

    Do you still have this opinion? And if so/not, why so/not?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I’ve looked back through your comments and you appear to have been predicting an easy Russian victory back in Feb 2022. In particular, I found your extreme self-confidence very striking.
     
    Many such cases. Nothing wrong with thinking that back in Feb. or even perhaps April 2022, after all so did the US & other NATO governments. However, the observers who continued saying things were going according to plan even after abandoning Kherson are either grifters (eg. Scott Ritter) making money out of useful idiots or they're in a information bubble not unlike the typical MSM-watching libtard.
  777. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:

    A lot of mainstream commenters sympathetic to Ukraine believed that Putin would not survive this long into a war that played out like this. Yet he is still firmly in power.

    Are there any here who thought he would be gone by now who have since had to revise their opinion?

    If so, how do you explain it?

    Meanwhile, Russia sympathetic commenters appear to believe that his hold on power was extremely firm and have been proven correct. Or do any disagree?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You seem very interested in this topic.

    I would choose a better one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeiY6ITFs38&ab_channel=AnimaNoira

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  778. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.

    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

    This leads me to doubt their entire message since they either lack even starter level knowledge about what they are talking or they are actively lying in easily disprovable ways.

    Does anyone here have any particular personalities to vouch for? Maybe one who still supports the Russian side and has a track record of competence? Anatoly Karlin is instead now arguing that Russia should essentially beg for peace now and could then keep Crimea, but this is the best deal they will ever get. A result that everyone would see as an unimaginable loss for Russia at the beginning of the war and their consignment to moderate regional power status. I cannot believe it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.
     
    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

    A Patriot system is composed of three major pieces. M901 Launchers are exposed and expendable. The AN/MPQ-53/65 radars are typically deployed with some redundancy. The Ukrainian equipment list is not terribly detailed.

    Presumably what they Russians are claiming they took out is the command vehicle: (1)

    The Engagement Control Station calculates trajectories for interceptors and controls the launching sequence. As such, it communicates with the launcher stations and other PATRIOT batteries. It is the only manned station in a PATRIOT fire unit.

    AN/MSQ-104 Control Station is the command and control unit of the entire Patriot system. The ECS consists of a shelter mounted on the chassis of an M927 5-Ton Cargo Truck or on the chassis of a Light Medium Tactical Vehicle (LMTV) cargo truck. The MSQ-104 has a crew of 3.
     

    If this nondescript looking truck is blown up, nothing else works. And, the chance of a ready spare is virtually nil. The entire Patriot system is likely to be out of commission for days, weeks, or longer, until replacement equipment and highly specialized crew can be found.

    The claim has superficial plausibility.

    If the Ukrainians are using proper doctrine, the mobile system should relocate irregularly and frequently. The issue would be intelligence. The targeting details would have to be passed from the field to the Khinzal launch command authority. Then be turned into a mission fairly quickly.

    If the story is true. Either, the Russians were unusually efficient (or just lucky). Or, the Ukrainians did something predictable. If the newer support teams are spending excessive time taking down, moving, and coming back into service…. There would be a great deal of temptation to slow down the move tempo so the system has more time available for use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.armyrecognition.com/united_states_american_missile_system_vehicle_uk/patriot_mim-104_surface-to-air_defense_missile_data_sheet_specifications_information_description.html

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    SAMS are a natural target for Kinzhal and Iskander missiles. Assume Mach 6 average speed, roughly 75 miles per minute. Does that allow enough warning to bug out a major missile complex? Not always. That is one reason why NASAMS exist.

  779. A123 says: • Website
    @LatW
    @A123


    Russia should never have allowed the NATO enemy to approach their border.
     
    Well, in this case Russia's main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could've lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @A123

    Well, in this case Russia’s main goal was probably not to keep NATO away, but to swallow Ukraine. They could’ve lived with NATO on their border per se, but they needed / wanted the whole of Ukraine.

    The comparatively small size of the SMO does not mesh with your assertion. Capturing all of Ukraine by force would take over million troops.

    Presumably, the initial push at Kiev was intended to achieve regime change. This would not have resulted in annexation. Rather, the new government would have been put in place to disentangle itself from European machinations.

    Absorbing poorer areas is hard on the budget. That is why Russia had been trying to push independent Republics rather than absorbing them. Breaking and then reconstructing Ukraine was never a credible plan. Unless you believe Putin is as dense as GW.

    PEACE 😇

  780. @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Should Russia have attacked the Baltic countries back in 2003 before they actually joined NATO?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If you look at these tables:

    https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/states-by-population/
    https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/

    Lithuania ~ New Mexico
    Estonia ~ Maine
    Latvia ~ West Virginia

    Ukraine ~ California

    So you aren’t comparing apples versus oranges but it’s more like a watermelon versus oranges.

    There are obvious reasons the banker cartel bossess started with the Baltics and worked their way up.

  781. @Triteleia Laxa
    A lot of mainstream commenters sympathetic to Ukraine believed that Putin would not survive this long into a war that played out like this. Yet he is still firmly in power.

    Are there any here who thought he would be gone by now who have since had to revise their opinion?

    If so, how do you explain it?

    Meanwhile, Russia sympathetic commenters appear to believe that his hold on power was extremely firm and have been proven correct. Or do any disagree?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You seem very interested in this topic.

    I would choose a better one.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war to YouTube Halloween actor who wraps his cheap merch in infantile understanding of the occult.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

  782. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.
     
    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks. (Right there with your fond memories of the murderous Habsburg bastards.) It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths and on thick-as-a-brick propaganda that they are blissfully unaware off.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that - the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason? Let's see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers and would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2.

    You are peeing into a hurricane and thinking it does something. The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat, the Western haters and papists have tried it for centuries - and failed.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles - but it is interesting that it floats through your mind: instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians. And of course, to Belorussians, Russified-Ukies, and Jews - that was the Nazi deal and came with the joining them. You are subconsciously unhinged, and that goes back to your mis-education.

    Refightiong the 17th century Khmelnitsky treason - that is just so precious. I think you will be disappointed...:)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    “Ukrainian and Polish people to undo that tragic revolt and treason by Khmelnytsky.”

    You provided a nice summary of how an outsider meddling moron thinks

    Given that at least two of my direct ancestors were participants in the uprising I am hardly an outsider.

    But are we are seeing a glimmer of self-awareness by you? You are an outsider, ignorant, and moronic, and making claims about Poland, Ukraine, and Russia whose languages you do not speak and whose countries (at least 2 of the 3) you have never seen with your own eyes.

    It happens to Americans raised on Hollywood myths

    Other than that movie with Yul Brenner, Hollywood has avoided this topic.

    Ok, Khmelnytsky, 17th century and all that – the Orthodox sided with the Orthodox and you call that treason

    In your ignorance you failed to realize that Ukraine and Russia had different Orthodox Churches back then, and the Ukrainian Church hierarchy opposed Khmelnytsky’s deal with Muscovy.

    Or that PLC’s main negotiator and Senate member was an Orthodox.

    But perhaps you are starting to understand that the Catholics who moved against their Catholic Hapsburg monarch were traitors.

    Let’s see what the brave Poles do this time, they are the history ultimate losers

    When united with Ukraine the two defeated Russia most of the time.

    In your ignorance you claimed the opposite.

    would simply not exist if not for the incredible generosity and sacrifice of the Russians in WW2

    As we have seen, if not for the Poles repeatedly refusing an alliance with Germany, the Russians would not exist.

    The overwhelming Russians-Orthodox superiority in the region is very hard to defeat

    Indeed. This is why Russia wants to reabsorb Ukraine. But it can’t do it. And without Ukraine, it is just Russia.

    Just Russia was defeated by Poland in 1920.

    Just Russia was defeated numerous times by Ukraine + Poland + Lithuania when those countries were united.

    And in 2022, Just Russia failed to conquer Ukraine. It has only managed to take 18% of it. Let’s see if it manages to keep it. It might, or might not.

    Choosing the Nazis was not an option for the Poles

    Oops:

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    instead of Germans partially exterminating the Poles, the Poles with Germans would do it to the evil Russians

    Poles refused to do this. They do not have sick minds, like yours.

    Because decent Poles refused to ally with Nazis (unlike your Slovaks, who were eager allies – and unlike the Soviets themselves), millions of Poles perished.

    Russia exists because of the self-sacrifice of the decent Poles.

    :::::::::

    How does it feel that the chances of your would-be master owning territory up to the Slovak border are fading. Time to choose a new one, to fulfill your purpose as a natural lackey? Be like the Russians and serve the Chinese? Or go for India, a rising power? You can practice with your local representatives of the Indian diaspora, the Roma. Serve them well.

  783. QCIC says:
    @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ah you've been caught out. Good try to recover but you've been hit with a telling blow. Russia can see this alliance forming in the west moving eastward and saw it before with both Imperial Germany, The Third Reich and with earlier Napoleon's France. They are just doing what grand strategy dictates.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @QCIC

    In a war like this, both sides will use force to stop civilians who they determine may give aid to enemy troops.

    +++

    Russia has a large military; much smaller than the Soviets but larger than any European force. After the Maidan coup, the Ukrainians started shooting and assaulting Russian-speaking civilians in the Eastern part of the country (using artillery on cities IIRC!), less than a hundred miles from the Russian border.

    What did the Ukrainians think was going to happen? This question is so silly it answers itself: the Russians would eventually engage with and destroy the Ukrainian troops to stop these murders.

    I think the delayed response by Russia while they tried other avenues to sort things out reinforced Western delusions. This took so long many people were lulled into a sense of unfounded confidence. Russia was taking the time to prepare to fight a major war on her border. This combat is what the West wanted, so Russia got ready to fight the war on her own terms as much as possible.

    Ukraine will likely come out of this a broken shell of what it was a few years ago. Many in the West will consider this result a complete success with “Mission Accomplished!” Unfortunately for Western schemers they had not counted on Russia being able to prepare economically and military for the war, so the result will be a hollow victory for them, though not for Russia. The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.
     
    Are you arguing that the West and not Russia will be held responsible for the war deaths by Ukrainians?

    That seems extremely unlikely. I don't even read any serious Russian sources trying to hold the West responsible for Russian war deaths.

    You also seem to be implying that success for Russia in this war is achieved by merely surviving. That is interesting and leads me to conclude that by your measure Russian success is 95% certain.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

  784. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You seem very interested in this topic.

    I would choose a better one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeiY6ITFs38&ab_channel=AnimaNoira

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I don’t believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war to YouTube Halloween actor who wraps his cheap merch in infantile understanding of the occult.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war
     
    Based on my history here I think you will find:

    • Most commenters started on a side.
    • A relatively brief period near the start where neutral observers picked sides.

    For example, I was pushed into the Russia leaning camp by how horrible Ukraine was to Russian ethnics in the region. For example, stealing fresh water to push civilian farmers into poverty is collective punishment.

    Outside that window, few if any have changed positions. If anything, the Ukie Maximalists have become more intransigent, vicious, and unreasonable.
    ___

    My primary evolution was not even on directly on Russia/Ukraine. Instead I realized there was something wrong with the Big Picture.

    • I originally thought, like many here, Washington/NATO was fighting to win. Later on I figured out that could not be case. If Washington was fighting to win, different & achievable objectives would have been set. By process of elimination, that led to...

    Europe is setting policy and is continuing the fight with no desire to win. Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos. The last thing they want is a win that would cause migrants to return to Ukraine. It also helps to keep the euro-skeptic Visegrád 4 block internally conflicted. Hence, the selection of non-viable objectives, such as liberating Crimea.
    ____

    Good luck with your paper, however you should be ready for an outcome along the lines of, "People are incredibly stubborn. They do not change their minds once emotion kicks in."

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Barbarossa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Besides, I applaud your fresh and critical approach on asking these questions. The cud chewing on Russia/ Ukraine conflict can be more than a little repetitious and circular.

    It would be fine and dandy with me if you sparked some original dialog pertaining what is going on. Maybe it will jump-start some different avenues or reasoning.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  785. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, off-topic, but would you say that Russia invading Ukraine is comparable to Nazi Germany invading the Netherlands instead of invading Poland? (Poland proper didn't have any German-majority territories in 1939, IIRC. Danzig was German-majority but it was located outside of Poland, would mean risking a war with Poland and thus with the Anglo-French, and contained less than one million people in total. Conquering the Netherlands was theoretically much more lucrative for Hitler had he actually realized this. IIRC, the Anglo-French did not offer any guarantees to the Netherlands like they did to Poland, right?) Similar people, similar language, similar culture, and they were previously a part of the same political entity (the Holy Roman Empire in the case of the Germans and Dutch, back during the Middle Ages, which was actually somewhat more recent than Kievan Rus' was).

    Hitler could have easily argued that the Dutch are a German people who have lost their German identity over the centuries and who need to be conquered by Germany so that they could finally reacquire their German identity. Hitler could have even pointed out that Dutch is extremely similar to the word Deutsch, which is used to refer to the German language in German.

    Replies: @AP

    You are basically correct, but Russians are bitter about it and seem to be more angry about Ukrainians being “traitors” than the Deutsch were about the Dutch. There has been much more blood spilled.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Maybe the "traitor" feeling among Russians in regards to Ukrainians is due to them being a part of a common political entity for much longer than the Deutsch and the Dutch, who stopped being a part of a common political entity sometime before 1648.

    The blood spilled is, of course, primarily Russia's fault. Russia could have either avoided getting involved at all in Ukraine or quickly annexed both Crimea and Donbass almost bloodlessly. Instead, Russia chose the bloodiest option in 2014. Then, when things had calmed down by early 2022, Russia once again chose the bloodiest option instead of quickly and bloodlessly annexing the Donbass.

    I'm a white American (albeit of East Slavic and Jewish descent) and I view Canadians as being one people together with us who are only separated from us due to our decision to rebel against the British back in 1776. Still, I would never dream of supporting the use of force to conquer Canada. Though if Canada wants to voluntarily join us, then that would be great! :)

    Honestly, the best way for Russia and Ukraine to achieve unity at this point would be for both of them to eventually join the EU. But this would require both of them to clean up their corruption issue, for Russia to move to a more democratic system, for journalists, opposition figures, critics, et cetera to stop getting murdered in Russia, and for Russia to let go of Chechnya since there's no way in Hell that the EU will ever invite even a non-corrupt democratic liberal Russia to join the EU so long as Russia still has Chechnya.

    BTW, off-topic, but I find it interesting that notoriously "Islamophobic" (I don't blame them) Poland supports Turkey's EU accession:

    https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/poland-supports-turkeys-eu-membership-ambassador-says

    https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-supports-turkeys-eu-bid-says-duda/

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/warsaw-loyally-supports-turkeys-eu-membership-polish-envoy/2303227

    This fact combined with Turkey's secularism (Erdogan is a mild Islamist but as a whole the Turkish people are very secular for a Muslim population) and the fact that including Turkey in the EU would help achieve greater economies of scale for the EU strikes me as implying that Turkish EU membership would be a good ideal and a good deal. Not any other Muslim country membership in the EU unless it's a secular Balkan Muslim country or secular Kazakhstan (but that specifically would require Russia to join the EU beforehand, since otherwise Kazakhstan won't have a common border with the EU).

  786. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Wokechoke

    In a war like this, both sides will use force to stop civilians who they determine may give aid to enemy troops.

    +++

    Russia has a large military; much smaller than the Soviets but larger than any European force. After the Maidan coup, the Ukrainians started shooting and assaulting Russian-speaking civilians in the Eastern part of the country (using artillery on cities IIRC!), less than a hundred miles from the Russian border.

    What did the Ukrainians think was going to happen? This question is so silly it answers itself: the Russians would eventually engage with and destroy the Ukrainian troops to stop these murders.

    I think the delayed response by Russia while they tried other avenues to sort things out reinforced Western delusions. This took so long many people were lulled into a sense of unfounded confidence. Russia was taking the time to prepare to fight a major war on her border. This combat is what the West wanted, so Russia got ready to fight the war on her own terms as much as possible.

    Ukraine will likely come out of this a broken shell of what it was a few years ago. Many in the West will consider this result a complete success with "Mission Accomplished!" Unfortunately for Western schemers they had not counted on Russia being able to prepare economically and military for the war, so the result will be a hollow victory for them, though not for Russia. The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.

    Are you arguing that the West and not Russia will be held responsible for the war deaths by Ukrainians?

    That seems extremely unlikely. I don’t even read any serious Russian sources trying to hold the West responsible for Russian war deaths.

    You also seem to be implying that success for Russia in this war is achieved by merely surviving. That is interesting and leads me to conclude that by your measure Russian success is 95% certain.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    These comments are an extension of earlier points I have made.

    Of course Ukrainians will initially see Russia as the cause of most of the deaths. Some may feel let down by the West as well. The job of historians over the next few decades will be to explain the larger context to Ukrainians so the people can understand they were simply used as pawns by the West against Russia. This is an easy case to make so I wonder if this will be the long-term view held by most Ukrainians.

    I don't see the war as "organic" (i.e. largely the result of homegrown Ukrainian nationalism) and I doubt many Russian military people do either.

    I think Russia's likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Keeping Sevastopol is pretty much the game.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  787. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    MH17 stands out as a very strange event. Given what we have seen the Ukies do, that we can reasonably surmise is their modus operandi, downing a civil aircraft with an S300 to gain attention or warn off doesn't look far fetched, in principle. Could have easily been an Ukie AntiAircraft crew.

    Replies: @QCIC

    A solid case was presented that a Ukrainian Buk missile shot down the aircraft.

  788. @Wokechoke
    @S

    There's an old dirty joke about healing wounds. In Gethsemane awaiting Jesus arrest the Apostles send in Mary Magdelene so that Jesus doesn't die a virgin. Mary comes out shrieking. The Apostles ask what happened, "All was going well but He took one look said 'you've been cut terribly i'll heal it!' put his hand in my pussy and sealed up my cunt."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLUH6LMgA-w


    Humans like their injuries. Especially these violent people in the East.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

    You’re 100% sicko for posting this profanity here on this website. All I can say is that you’re lucky that most of the readers here are not like Moslems that don’t tolerate such rude insults towards their Prophet, or else you’d be personally slated for “rehabilitation” of a permanent nature. 🙁

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    It’s an old joke. Probably of Slavic origin. Jesus comes out of the joke innocent if a little bit naive. What’s your problem?

    You are probably not a Christian. Spare me your accusation of blasphemy Jewboy.

  789. @Wokechoke
    @S

    There's an old dirty joke about healing wounds. In Gethsemane awaiting Jesus arrest the Apostles send in Mary Magdelene so that Jesus doesn't die a virgin. Mary comes out shrieking. The Apostles ask what happened, "All was going well but He took one look said 'you've been cut terribly i'll heal it!' put his hand in my pussy and sealed up my cunt."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLUH6LMgA-w


    Humans like their injuries. Especially these violent people in the East.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @S

    Why, that’s terrible! 🙂

    (As an aside, I’m a little surprised YouTube let that one slip through without even a warning. Funny how that works.)

  790. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.
     
    Are you arguing that the West and not Russia will be held responsible for the war deaths by Ukrainians?

    That seems extremely unlikely. I don't even read any serious Russian sources trying to hold the West responsible for Russian war deaths.

    You also seem to be implying that success for Russia in this war is achieved by merely surviving. That is interesting and leads me to conclude that by your measure Russian success is 95% certain.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    These comments are an extension of earlier points I have made.

    Of course Ukrainians will initially see Russia as the cause of most of the deaths. Some may feel let down by the West as well. The job of historians over the next few decades will be to explain the larger context to Ukrainians so the people can understand they were simply used as pawns by the West against Russia. This is an easy case to make so I wonder if this will be the long-term view held by most Ukrainians.

    I don’t see the war as “organic” (i.e. largely the result of homegrown Ukrainian nationalism) and I doubt many Russian military people do either.

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I think I understand your perspective.

    You believe "historians" will explain to future Ukrainians that it was Ukrainians who actually started the war and Ukrainians did so because the West was using them to perpetrate some injustice on Russia, which is of course innocent of all actions and is actually engaging in altruism by sending its forces into Ukraine.

    You also believe that Russia has intentionally failed to take Bakhmut in a year of fighting, as well as to surrender Kherson just after declaring it part of Russia, and generally extend this war for as long as possible, in order to achieve certain effects, and that Russia could win this war whenever it wanted.

    This viewpoint is interesting. It combines allocating all moral culpability to the West even while allocating all actual decision-making power to Russia. I consider it an outlier on the side of Russia sympathy. Do you consider it that way, or do you self-identify as a moderate who sees others as much more partisan for Russian than you? Keep in mind that I am not based in Russia and am therefore not exposed to every possible opinion and that my idea of a middle ground can only be based on the range of views which I have encountered.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.
     
    Time remains on Putin's side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    The upcoming Presidential race in the U.S. is poised to transfer money away from Kiev and towards domestic priorities. As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    This will not change Europe's policy. However, EU strategy depended on controlling America's purse strings. Germany & France will have to pay vastly more, billions of € per month. Or, watch as Kiev forces degrade & lose.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

  791. @German_reader
    @songbird

    He claims he's not just banned from Poland (which would at least be understandable from a desire to avoid diplomatic complications with the US, similarly to how Hungary banned Richard Spencer from its national territory), but from the entire Schengen zone:
    https://www.amren.com/commentary/2023/05/why-i-cannot-be-with-you-today/

    I'm not totally sure how this works, does Poland really have the power to make such decisions affecting most of the EU? But yeah, pretty lame if it's accurate. But not really surprising.

    Replies: @songbird

    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings. Doesn’t fill me with confidence for parliamentary democracy, especially with declining demographics.

    In fact, not that I consider it part of Europe, but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is, and they are looking to weaken their presidency.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings.
     
    Don't really get the reference, what are you thinking of?
    AfD's youth section was recently declared anti-constitutional by Germany's inland security service (on the grounds that they think there's such a thing as ethnic Germans, that alone is now sufficient, considerable escalation by the establishment). But so far the main party hasn't cucked and disavowed them (only a question of time anyway until the entire party will be declared proven extremists).

    but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is
     
    Apart from the Kurdish areas, many parts of Turkey already have very bad demographics. Future doesn't look good for ethnic Turks either (all the more so given all those foreigners Erdogan has invited).
    Turks in Germany who voted in the elections were about two thirds in favour of Erdogan though...after the Greens explicitly told not them not to, lol.

    Replies: @songbird

  792. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.

    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

    This leads me to doubt their entire message since they either lack even starter level knowledge about what they are talking or they are actively lying in easily disprovable ways.

    Does anyone here have any particular personalities to vouch for? Maybe one who still supports the Russian side and has a track record of competence? Anatoly Karlin is instead now arguing that Russia should essentially beg for peace now and could then keep Crimea, but this is the best deal they will ever get. A result that everyone would see as an unimaginable loss for Russia at the beginning of the war and their consignment to moderate regional power status. I cannot believe it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AP


    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.
     
    The only correction I would add is the timing - Karlin was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start. He kept doing it untill RF retreats from Kharkov/Kherson, mobilization announcements and renewal of grain deal in 2022 autumn.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia.
     
    That's what Biden likely would have done in the event of a minor Russian incursion into Ukraine, as Biden himself has explicitly said before the war. So, an outright Russian annexation of Donbass or whatever. But obviously the West could not tolerate a complete Russian conquest of Ukraine. Especially those Westerners who viewed Ukraine as a future EU member.

    Frankly, I'm inclined to believe that Trump would have been worse for Ukraine, possibly by giving them HIMARS and whatnot pre-invasion, thus making Putin even more paranoid and thus even more likely to invade Ukraine, only for Trump to subsequently get scared of nuclear war and thus to throw Ukraine under the bus after Russia would have already invaded it.

    As for a Ukrainian insurgency, just how easy would it be for a population with a TFR of 1.3 and a median age of 40+ to sustain an insurgency long-term? Especially with open borders with the EU? You gotta keep in mind that moving to the EU beats spending 25 years or whatever in a gulag and getting poisoned and/or killed, either in the gulag or as a part of some kind of special Russian military/intelligence operation.

    As for cancelling Nord Stream 2 sanctions, I'll repeat what I previously said: The pre-invasion logic for this move was sound: To preserve some economic ties with Russia in order to reduce the risk of Russia acting aggressively. It didn't work, obviously, but it was still a valiant effort. The West won't be so gullible in the future, of course.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, worth noting that at least one pro-Russian blamed Trump much more than he blamed Biden for the Russo-Ukrainian War:

    https://eharding.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-is-primarily-responsible

    He argues that the point of no return had already been reached once Biden became US President and that Biden was actually relatively conciliatory towards Russia for a US President--just not conciliatory enough for Russia's liking.

    He, of course, also believed that a Russian invasion of Ukraine was going to be a piece of cake, comparable to the US invading Great Britain if Great Britain didn't actually have its own nukes:

    https://eharding.substack.com/p/the-case-for-russia-invading-ukraine

  793. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    These comments are an extension of earlier points I have made.

    Of course Ukrainians will initially see Russia as the cause of most of the deaths. Some may feel let down by the West as well. The job of historians over the next few decades will be to explain the larger context to Ukrainians so the people can understand they were simply used as pawns by the West against Russia. This is an easy case to make so I wonder if this will be the long-term view held by most Ukrainians.

    I don't see the war as "organic" (i.e. largely the result of homegrown Ukrainian nationalism) and I doubt many Russian military people do either.

    I think Russia's likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

    I think I understand your perspective.

    You believe “historians” will explain to future Ukrainians that it was Ukrainians who actually started the war and Ukrainians did so because the West was using them to perpetrate some injustice on Russia, which is of course innocent of all actions and is actually engaging in altruism by sending its forces into Ukraine.

    You also believe that Russia has intentionally failed to take Bakhmut in a year of fighting, as well as to surrender Kherson just after declaring it part of Russia, and generally extend this war for as long as possible, in order to achieve certain effects, and that Russia could win this war whenever it wanted.

    This viewpoint is interesting. It combines allocating all moral culpability to the West even while allocating all actual decision-making power to Russia. I consider it an outlier on the side of Russia sympathy. Do you consider it that way, or do you self-identify as a moderate who sees others as much more partisan for Russian than you? Keep in mind that I am not based in Russia and am therefore not exposed to every possible opinion and that my idea of a middle ground can only be based on the range of views which I have encountered.

    • Troll: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you do not understand my perspective.

    I am against WW3 and nuclear war.

    I recognize that Russia was pressured militarily by the West. Three important examples are expansion of NATO which is intrinsically aggressive, dropping out of the ABM treaty which is intrinsically aggressive and participating in a violent coup in a border country which is intrinsically aggressive. If similar things had been done against the West our response might be similar to Russia's. This is stuff a high school student can understand. These concerns have been pointed out by Western diplomats, scholars and military men for decades.

    There is no middle ground. The West is pressuring Russia because people think they are powerful enough to pull it off. I see this as a continuation of past Western-Russian tensions. The difference is that the slightly controlled nature of the process can break down and lead to massive worldwide war, probably including nuclear weapons. The biggest short-term tragedy from a world war will probably be starvation of billions of people.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Bakhmut is Prigozhin’ sort project. His own Kosher attempt to springboard a political career. Probably one that the CIA and Mi6 encourage.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  794. Anyone following Peter Turchin? Has he updated any of his premises, based on AI?

  795. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    The only correction I would add is the timing – Karlin was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start. He kept doing it untill RF retreats from Kharkov/Kherson, mobilization announcements and renewal of grain deal in 2022 autumn.

  796. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    I've looked back through your comments and you appear to have been predicting an easy Russian victory back in Feb 2022. In particular, I found your extreme self-confidence very striking.

    Do you still have this opinion? And if so/not, why so/not?

    Replies: @Matra

    I’ve looked back through your comments and you appear to have been predicting an easy Russian victory back in Feb 2022. In particular, I found your extreme self-confidence very striking.

    Many such cases. Nothing wrong with thinking that back in Feb. or even perhaps April 2022, after all so did the US & other NATO governments. However, the observers who continued saying things were going according to plan even after abandoning Kherson are either grifters (eg. Scott Ritter) making money out of useful idiots or they’re in a information bubble not unlike the typical MSM-watching libtard.

    • Agree: S
  797. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war to YouTube Halloween actor who wraps his cheap merch in infantile understanding of the occult.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    I don’t believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war

    Based on my history here I think you will find:

    • Most commenters started on a side.
    • A relatively brief period near the start where neutral observers picked sides.

    For example, I was pushed into the Russia leaning camp by how horrible Ukraine was to Russian ethnics in the region. For example, stealing fresh water to push civilian farmers into poverty is collective punishment.

    Outside that window, few if any have changed positions. If anything, the Ukie Maximalists have become more intransigent, vicious, and unreasonable.
    ___

    My primary evolution was not even on directly on Russia/Ukraine. Instead I realized there was something wrong with the Big Picture.

    • I originally thought, like many here, Washington/NATO was fighting to win. Later on I figured out that could not be case. If Washington was fighting to win, different & achievable objectives would have been set. By process of elimination, that led to…

    Europe is setting policy and is continuing the fight with no desire to win. Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos. The last thing they want is a win that would cause migrants to return to Ukraine. It also helps to keep the euro-skeptic Visegrád 4 block internally conflicted. Hence, the selection of non-viable objectives, such as liberating Crimea.
    ____

    Good luck with your paper, however you should be ready for an outcome along the lines of, “People are incredibly stubborn. They do not change their minds once emotion kicks in.”

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Matra
    @A123


    Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos
     
    C'mon man!

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn't age well



    https://i.redd.it/95gxjk6fw2d51.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

  798. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    These comments are an extension of earlier points I have made.

    Of course Ukrainians will initially see Russia as the cause of most of the deaths. Some may feel let down by the West as well. The job of historians over the next few decades will be to explain the larger context to Ukrainians so the people can understand they were simply used as pawns by the West against Russia. This is an easy case to make so I wonder if this will be the long-term view held by most Ukrainians.

    I don't see the war as "organic" (i.e. largely the result of homegrown Ukrainian nationalism) and I doubt many Russian military people do either.

    I think Russia's likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.

    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    The upcoming Presidential race in the U.S. is poised to transfer money away from Kiev and towards domestic priorities. As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    This will not change Europe’s policy. However, EU strategy depended on controlling America’s purse strings. Germany & France will have to pay vastly more, billions of € per month. Or, watch as Kiev forces degrade & lose.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123


    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.
     
    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    Time isn't on Putin's side. The quality of his conscripts is clearly dwindling.

    Do these look like fighting men?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGdLn7u9BJ0

    They look starved and demoralized.

    As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    Most of the aid isn't money. It's excess military stock and there is plenty more in storage.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    There’s actually good analysis here. The trouble with assaulting Kiev was that every denizen of every capital could imagine tanks rolling in. It grabbed headlines. A big strategic error. Prigozhin is a headliner and that’s intrinsically bad.

  799. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    To be blunt about it, there must have been Poles who did side with the Third Reich. Polish identity can be pretty fluid and subservient to Germans or Russians or swedes etc when there is a career riding cavalry to eke out. There are a lot of German troops with Polish sounding names in the annals of ww2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Polish identity can be pretty fluid and subservient to Germans or Russians or swedes

    It goes further, and not only among the Poles. A large number of Germans troops who attacked Russia were Volksdeutsche or people whose ethnicity was fluid and regional: Pomeranian, Kashubian, Silesian…In Czechia people freely moved to and from German (pre-1918) to Czech (1918-39), back to German in WW2, and claiming again that they are Czechs in 1945. For women there was no cost, and huge benefits, but for men it meant being drafted to the German army.

    Donald Tusk is a good example. Something similar is happening in eastern Ukraine and people who think that the fluid identities stick don’t know history and human nature. The winner will eventually consolidate it. Winning is the only thing now, and both sides know it. Ultima ratio regis…

  800. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war
     
    Based on my history here I think you will find:

    • Most commenters started on a side.
    • A relatively brief period near the start where neutral observers picked sides.

    For example, I was pushed into the Russia leaning camp by how horrible Ukraine was to Russian ethnics in the region. For example, stealing fresh water to push civilian farmers into poverty is collective punishment.

    Outside that window, few if any have changed positions. If anything, the Ukie Maximalists have become more intransigent, vicious, and unreasonable.
    ___

    My primary evolution was not even on directly on Russia/Ukraine. Instead I realized there was something wrong with the Big Picture.

    • I originally thought, like many here, Washington/NATO was fighting to win. Later on I figured out that could not be case. If Washington was fighting to win, different & achievable objectives would have been set. By process of elimination, that led to...

    Europe is setting policy and is continuing the fight with no desire to win. Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos. The last thing they want is a win that would cause migrants to return to Ukraine. It also helps to keep the euro-skeptic Visegrád 4 block internally conflicted. Hence, the selection of non-viable objectives, such as liberating Crimea.
    ____

    Good luck with your paper, however you should be ready for an outcome along the lines of, "People are incredibly stubborn. They do not change their minds once emotion kicks in."

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Matra

    Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos

    C’mon man!

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn’t age well

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    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Matra

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn’t age well

    I guess it's actually a bad idea to appoint someone with zero military background to defense minister.

    Huh.

    But I'm sure that letting your Jewish chef build his own private army is a winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  801. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    > a universal Russian delusion

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a “normal” war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true – to date, Russia is literally spending less on the “existential” Ukraine “war against Satanism” than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely “peculiar” state, that reads like Karen Dawisha’s Putin’s Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson – a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.

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    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Has your AI chatbot been hacked?

    , @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I was bearish during the summer
     
    Reminder how that Karlin "summer bearishness" looked in writing here:

    The Ukraine does not enjoy that, while suffering what in all likelihood is a a 3:1 casualty attrition ratio relative to Russia/LDNR. This ratio will likely get worse as Ukraine’s stock of trained manpower and equipment attritions. At that point, it will start collapsing across multiple fronts short of it going USSR/Germany 1945-totalitarian mode.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5375244
     
    Also:

    The materiel advantage doesn't favor Ukraine, I think people who argue otherwise are increasingly veering into delusional territory. Yes, the supplied Western weaponry superior to the predominantly Soviet stocks which which Ukraine is still currently fighting, but their numbers are much more limited and will remain so unless the West itself moves to a war economy. Meanwhile Russia is massively ramping up military-industrial production. While Reddit and Blue Checks fantasize about it using T-62s and tank production stopping because of components shortages and the like, Russia is now producing 120 Kalibrs a day.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5375915
     
    And my own comment in the same thread which was going in June of 2022:

    For what it’s worth, lately in his videos Strelkov laughed off the ideas about favourable manpower attrition rates for RF – he claimed that for attacking forces losses can be counted as reduced in comparison with the enemy only in last phases of a succesful offensive operation, but during initial and still ongoing phase the attacker is always suffering higher losses than defender. In his opinion, despite the Ukrainian losses being high lately, RF operations on the whole are nowhere near to completion phase of a succesful overall offensive operation, so such manpower atrittional theories are just bunk atm.

    There’s certainly higher chance of Strelkov having better inside knowledge about the real numbers of RF manpower losses than some keyboard military strategist who has been previously pushing theories about Ukrainians not having any will to fight for their own homeland.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5376182
     

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Frankly, I was just surprised that your immediate pre-war takes on a Ukraine War were much more bullish than your 2018 takes on a Ukraine War, as if you were letting your hopes dictate your expectations now that the idea of a Ukraine War was much, much closer to becoming a reality (it was purely hypothetical and deemed unlikely back in 2018).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that
     
    Indeed.

    Welcome back Tolik !

    BTW, don't you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.

    Anyway, keep safe if you are still in RusFed. Times gonna be hard there in the next couple of years or so. And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?

    Any thoughts about it ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Also, one more thing worth asking: Did Russia actually have the necessary logistics to launch a military campaign against Ukraine with several times more troops relative to real life in February 2022? Because if Russia has a larger army but can't logistically sustain them, then they're simply going to become sitting ducks for the Ukrainians, aren't they?

    Reminds me of the Schlieffen Plan running out of steam due to logistics by the time that the Germans were approaching Paris:

    https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA491685.pdf

  802. @A123
    @QCIC


    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.
     
    Time remains on Putin's side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    The upcoming Presidential race in the U.S. is poised to transfer money away from Kiev and towards domestic priorities. As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    This will not change Europe's policy. However, EU strategy depended on controlling America's purse strings. Germany & France will have to pay vastly more, billions of € per month. Or, watch as Kiev forces degrade & lose.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.

    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    Time isn’t on Putin’s side. The quality of his conscripts is clearly dwindling.

    Do these look like fighting men?

    They look starved and demoralized.

    As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    Most of the aid isn’t money. It’s excess military stock and there is plenty more in storage.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?
     
    Time isn’t on Putin’s side. The quality of his conscripts is clearly dwindling.

    Do these look like fighting men?
     
    Cherry picking a single anecdote is a form of strawmanning. You are discrediting your own position.

    There is no reason to believe that Russian recruits are lower quality that the Ukrainian ones.


    As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

     

    Most of the aid isn’t money.
     
    A huge amount of the aid, ~$4 billion per month, is cash to pay salaries. Kiev administration is totally propped up by outside assistance.

    It’s excess military stock and there is plenty more in storage.
     
    Most of the available military stock has already been expended. For example:

    • The U.S. is raiding logistical depots in Israel and South Korea for artillery shells. It will run up against minimum permitted inventory for those theatres in a few months, possibly weeks.
    • Ukraine expended 30 Patriot interceptors ($3-5 million each), so that is $90-150 million gone in a few minutes (1). And, stocks of those missiles are known to be limited. Total production is only ~300 year.

    There is a need for Europe to ramp up combat material manufacturing. And, it is not clear that Germany has the means. Energy availability and price is crushing their economy.

    Do you really expect Scholz & Macron to put in over €5 billion per month to keep their war going?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-us-supplied-patriot-missile-unit-hypersonic-strike-kiev
  803. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are basically correct, but Russians are bitter about it and seem to be more angry about Ukrainians being “traitors” than the Deutsch were about the Dutch. There has been much more blood spilled.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Maybe the “traitor” feeling among Russians in regards to Ukrainians is due to them being a part of a common political entity for much longer than the Deutsch and the Dutch, who stopped being a part of a common political entity sometime before 1648.

    The blood spilled is, of course, primarily Russia’s fault. Russia could have either avoided getting involved at all in Ukraine or quickly annexed both Crimea and Donbass almost bloodlessly. Instead, Russia chose the bloodiest option in 2014. Then, when things had calmed down by early 2022, Russia once again chose the bloodiest option instead of quickly and bloodlessly annexing the Donbass.

    I’m a white American (albeit of East Slavic and Jewish descent) and I view Canadians as being one people together with us who are only separated from us due to our decision to rebel against the British back in 1776. Still, I would never dream of supporting the use of force to conquer Canada. Though if Canada wants to voluntarily join us, then that would be great! 🙂

    Honestly, the best way for Russia and Ukraine to achieve unity at this point would be for both of them to eventually join the EU. But this would require both of them to clean up their corruption issue, for Russia to move to a more democratic system, for journalists, opposition figures, critics, et cetera to stop getting murdered in Russia, and for Russia to let go of Chechnya since there’s no way in Hell that the EU will ever invite even a non-corrupt democratic liberal Russia to join the EU so long as Russia still has Chechnya.

    BTW, off-topic, but I find it interesting that notoriously “Islamophobic” (I don’t blame them) Poland supports Turkey’s EU accession:

    https://www.dailysabah.com/politics/diplomacy/poland-supports-turkeys-eu-membership-ambassador-says

    https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-supports-turkeys-eu-bid-says-duda/

    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/warsaw-loyally-supports-turkeys-eu-membership-polish-envoy/2303227

    This fact combined with Turkey’s secularism (Erdogan is a mild Islamist but as a whole the Turkish people are very secular for a Muslim population) and the fact that including Turkey in the EU would help achieve greater economies of scale for the EU strikes me as implying that Turkish EU membership would be a good ideal and a good deal. Not any other Muslim country membership in the EU unless it’s a secular Balkan Muslim country or secular Kazakhstan (but that specifically would require Russia to join the EU beforehand, since otherwise Kazakhstan won’t have a common border with the EU).

  804. History Legends is a mostly pro-Russia military analyst who admits when things go wrong and makes some effort to be objective – though that hasn’t stopped YouTube from giving him trouble. He’s much better than Ron Unz’s favourite Colonel.

  805. @Matra
    @A123


    Europe gains by perpetuating the chaos
     
    C'mon man!

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn't age well



    https://i.redd.it/95gxjk6fw2d51.jpg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn’t age well

    I guess it’s actually a bad idea to appoint someone with zero military background to defense minister.

    Huh.

    But I’m sure that letting your Jewish chef build his own private army is a winner.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    As you know by now the Wagner group is the child of the GRU and KGB. Prigozhin is just the spokesman. BTW in the thread above we see Laxa make another sock puppet account.

  806. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    Has your AI chatbot been hacked?

    • Agree: QCIC
  807. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yep, Russia feels like it needs Ukraine in order to be a superpower/world-empire because Russians can't be bothered to breed as much as Israeli Jews are currently breeding. A Russian TFR of 2.5+ would have ensured that Russia would have had no need for Ukraine.

    Heck, even a TFR of ~2.35 is enough to have 0.5% annual natural growth with a neutral net migration balance. *Non-Haredi* Israeli Jews have such a TFR, if not even slightly higher than this.

    (Russian nationalists claim to admire Israel, but they can't even get the Russian people to breed like non-Haredi Israeli Jews, thus making Russian nationalism considerably faker and gayer than Israeli Jewish nationalism is. Though Israeli Jewish nationalism also certainly has its excesses, with its support of the occupation of the West Bank and its opposition to the Grandchild Clause in Israel's Law of Return.)

    Replies: @LatW, @Greasy William

    There is no such thing as “Israeli Jewish” nationalism. The term is an oxymoron. In Israel, one either primarily identifies as an “Israeli” or as a “Jew”. Those who identify as Israeli are some of the least nationalistic people in the world (the only positive quality of this group, btw). This group also is strongly opposed to Israel being in Judea and Samaria and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.

    The self identified Jews are hardly very nationalistic either. The so called National Religious are, but the nationalism of the working class Mizrahim merely consists of anti Arab racism and the haredi aren’t nationalistic at all.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.
     
    If they're descended from Jews, such as children and grandchildren of Jews, then Yes. If they're not descended from Jews, then it gets a bit more complicated, I suspect.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  808. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    I was bearish during the summer

    Reminder how that Karlin “summer bearishness” looked in writing here:

    The Ukraine does not enjoy that, while suffering what in all likelihood is a a 3:1 casualty attrition ratio relative to Russia/LDNR. This ratio will likely get worse as Ukraine’s stock of trained manpower and equipment attritions. At that point, it will start collapsing across multiple fronts short of it going USSR/Germany 1945-totalitarian mode.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5375244

    Also:

    The materiel advantage doesn’t favor Ukraine, I think people who argue otherwise are increasingly veering into delusional territory. Yes, the supplied Western weaponry superior to the predominantly Soviet stocks which which Ukraine is still currently fighting, but their numbers are much more limited and will remain so unless the West itself moves to a war economy. Meanwhile Russia is massively ramping up military-industrial production. While Reddit and Blue Checks fantasize about it using T-62s and tank production stopping because of components shortages and the like, Russia is now producing 120 Kalibrs a day.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5375915

    And my own comment in the same thread which was going in June of 2022:

    For what it’s worth, lately in his videos Strelkov laughed off the ideas about favourable manpower attrition rates for RF – he claimed that for attacking forces losses can be counted as reduced in comparison with the enemy only in last phases of a succesful offensive operation, but during initial and still ongoing phase the attacker is always suffering higher losses than defender. In his opinion, despite the Ukrainian losses being high lately, RF operations on the whole are nowhere near to completion phase of a succesful overall offensive operation, so such manpower atrittional theories are just bunk atm.

    There’s certainly higher chance of Strelkov having better inside knowledge about the real numbers of RF manpower losses than some keyboard military strategist who has been previously pushing theories about Ukrainians not having any will to fight for their own homeland.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-189-russia-ukraine/#comment-5376182

  809. A123 says: • Website
    @John Johnson
    @A123


    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.
     
    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    Time isn't on Putin's side. The quality of his conscripts is clearly dwindling.

    Do these look like fighting men?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGdLn7u9BJ0

    They look starved and demoralized.

    As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    Most of the aid isn't money. It's excess military stock and there is plenty more in storage.

    Replies: @A123

    Time remains on Putin’s side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    Time isn’t on Putin’s side. The quality of his conscripts is clearly dwindling.

    Do these look like fighting men?

    Cherry picking a single anecdote is a form of strawmanning. You are discrediting your own position.

    There is no reason to believe that Russian recruits are lower quality that the Ukrainian ones.

    As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    Most of the aid isn’t money.

    A huge amount of the aid, ~$4 billion per month, is cash to pay salaries. Kiev administration is totally propped up by outside assistance.

    It’s excess military stock and there is plenty more in storage.

    Most of the available military stock has already been expended. For example:

    • The U.S. is raiding logistical depots in Israel and South Korea for artillery shells. It will run up against minimum permitted inventory for those theatres in a few months, possibly weeks.
    • Ukraine expended 30 Patriot interceptors ($3-5 million each), so that is $90-150 million gone in a few minutes (1). And, stocks of those missiles are known to be limited. Total production is only ~300 year.

    There is a need for Europe to ramp up combat material manufacturing. And, it is not clear that Germany has the means. Energy availability and price is crushing their economy.

    Do you really expect Scholz & Macron to put in over €5 billion per month to keep their war going?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-us-supplied-patriot-missile-unit-hypersonic-strike-kiev

  810. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I think I understand your perspective.

    You believe "historians" will explain to future Ukrainians that it was Ukrainians who actually started the war and Ukrainians did so because the West was using them to perpetrate some injustice on Russia, which is of course innocent of all actions and is actually engaging in altruism by sending its forces into Ukraine.

    You also believe that Russia has intentionally failed to take Bakhmut in a year of fighting, as well as to surrender Kherson just after declaring it part of Russia, and generally extend this war for as long as possible, in order to achieve certain effects, and that Russia could win this war whenever it wanted.

    This viewpoint is interesting. It combines allocating all moral culpability to the West even while allocating all actual decision-making power to Russia. I consider it an outlier on the side of Russia sympathy. Do you consider it that way, or do you self-identify as a moderate who sees others as much more partisan for Russian than you? Keep in mind that I am not based in Russia and am therefore not exposed to every possible opinion and that my idea of a middle ground can only be based on the range of views which I have encountered.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    No, you do not understand my perspective.

    I am against WW3 and nuclear war.

    I recognize that Russia was pressured militarily by the West. Three important examples are expansion of NATO which is intrinsically aggressive, dropping out of the ABM treaty which is intrinsically aggressive and participating in a violent coup in a border country which is intrinsically aggressive. If similar things had been done against the West our response might be similar to Russia’s. This is stuff a high school student can understand. These concerns have been pointed out by Western diplomats, scholars and military men for decades.

    There is no middle ground. The West is pressuring Russia because people think they are powerful enough to pull it off. I see this as a continuation of past Western-Russian tensions. The difference is that the slightly controlled nature of the process can break down and lead to massive worldwide war, probably including nuclear weapons. The biggest short-term tragedy from a world war will probably be starvation of billions of people.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I don't understand how the various threads in your reply tie together. We were discussing Russia's invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia and that also Russia did not choose it, which I found an interesting position. Here you seem to have made a couple of grievances that you have against the West and combined them with threats of WW3.

    Are you arguing that NATO allowing in countries that applied to join it and leaving the ABM treaty is why Russia had no choice but to invade Ukraine and enact this "just as planned" operation, complete with all of the deaths, destruction and withdrawals?

    Replies: @A123

  811. @A123
    @QCIC


    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional.
     
    Time remains on Putin's side. Why fight when you can gain a better outcome by waiting?

    The upcoming Presidential race in the U.S. is poised to transfer money away from Kiev and towards domestic priorities. As long as Putin can keep the fighting off of the front pages, much of the American money will go away.

    This will not change Europe's policy. However, EU strategy depended on controlling America's purse strings. Germany & France will have to pay vastly more, billions of € per month. Or, watch as Kiev forces degrade & lose.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    There’s actually good analysis here. The trouble with assaulting Kiev was that every denizen of every capital could imagine tanks rolling in. It grabbed headlines. A big strategic error. Prigozhin is a headliner and that’s intrinsically bad.

  812. My own invasion prediction record was nowhere near flawless, but still was bit closer to reality than Zoperation fan camp:

    2 days before invasion:

    Atm it looks like RF is kinda trying to treat whole UA like some base inside Crimea they were blocking in 2014, that would be preferable to them than real fighting. Not that they will not attack, but Crimea type full UA surrender is primary gamble goal. It is like a big dog and average cat – no doubt which is overall stronger, but dog still can get unpleasant eye damage from that cat. RF is surely methodically raising temperature – there is a request of Putin to use military force abroad at RF Federation Soviet.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-176/#comment-5189939

    6 days after invasion:

    Imho, still too early to make final conclusions – maybe some remote comparisons could be made with Winter War of 1939 against Finland where initially everything also was just as bad, but in the end Red Army still made a break through the very good prepared Finnish defensive lines. But it was that initial smack up which made long lasting impression for adversaries and caused a very serious circa 1941 miscalculations of overall capabilities, especially mobilizational and industrial.
    Also note that RF is not using strategic bombers and their remote rocketry that much as they really can, they are still restraining a little bit.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-177-continuing-russia-ukraine-war/#comment-5204409

    Imho the fierce resistance and near max Western pressure already made RF to abandon any plans to swallow whole UA, the rearranged goal is some variation of finlandization like Finns got it after 1945, which btw will be quite a defeat to the karlinist dreams. So the more UA army will be capable to fight before nearing a military defeat, the better conditions they should get.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-177-continuing-russia-ukraine-war/#comment-5204674

    Roughly a month after invasion:

    But wait, there is more to come – it was not some strange coincidence last time when rather big armies were clashing in roughly the same areas the battles are going now, all war participants were trying to start and do all their own biggest ground offensives in summer. Yeah, I mean 1941, 1942,1943 and 1944.
    Right now some country is regrouping and trying to do the biggest and certainly very quick crushing victorious Donbas offensive against the strongest defence lines during coming spring with thawing grounds and soon starting April potential cloudy raining…just after they couldn’t finish some offensive against a capital in a place where there were just relatively minor UA forces and no prepared defence lines in advance, lol
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-183-russia-ukraine/#comment-5269025

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    My prediction was that the Russians would drive around the country side burning crops and warehouses. I did not expect the forces available would conduct an assault on Kiev to occupy it. I did think that capturing the airport was a sign that the Ukies were finished though. Those landings were somewhat shocking in their ease of execution. The counter attack by the Militias around Kiev was a surprise as well.

    I also made a rather different prediction. Russia would sacrifice 250,000 KIA to keep Crimea by any means. Made that prediction in 2014.

  813. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I think I understand your perspective.

    You believe "historians" will explain to future Ukrainians that it was Ukrainians who actually started the war and Ukrainians did so because the West was using them to perpetrate some injustice on Russia, which is of course innocent of all actions and is actually engaging in altruism by sending its forces into Ukraine.

    You also believe that Russia has intentionally failed to take Bakhmut in a year of fighting, as well as to surrender Kherson just after declaring it part of Russia, and generally extend this war for as long as possible, in order to achieve certain effects, and that Russia could win this war whenever it wanted.

    This viewpoint is interesting. It combines allocating all moral culpability to the West even while allocating all actual decision-making power to Russia. I consider it an outlier on the side of Russia sympathy. Do you consider it that way, or do you self-identify as a moderate who sees others as much more partisan for Russian than you? Keep in mind that I am not based in Russia and am therefore not exposed to every possible opinion and that my idea of a middle ground can only be based on the range of views which I have encountered.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Bakhmut is Prigozhin’ sort project. His own Kosher attempt to springboard a political career. Probably one that the CIA and Mi6 encourage.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that the CIA are controlling the only part of the Russian military that had success during what was supposed to be their war winning Winter offensive?

    Do you also believe that the Russian Federation is a globalist/CIA/MI6 project?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

  814. @sudden death
    My own invasion prediction record was nowhere near flawless, but still was bit closer to reality than Zoperation fan camp:

    2 days before invasion:


    Atm it looks like RF is kinda trying to treat whole UA like some base inside Crimea they were blocking in 2014, that would be preferable to them than real fighting. Not that they will not attack, but Crimea type full UA surrender is primary gamble goal. It is like a big dog and average cat – no doubt which is overall stronger, but dog still can get unpleasant eye damage from that cat. RF is surely methodically raising temperature – there is a request of Putin to use military force abroad at RF Federation Soviet.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-176/#comment-5189939
     
    6 days after invasion:

    Imho, still too early to make final conclusions – maybe some remote comparisons could be made with Winter War of 1939 against Finland where initially everything also was just as bad, but in the end Red Army still made a break through the very good prepared Finnish defensive lines. But it was that initial smack up which made long lasting impression for adversaries and caused a very serious circa 1941 miscalculations of overall capabilities, especially mobilizational and industrial.
    Also note that RF is not using strategic bombers and their remote rocketry that much as they really can, they are still restraining a little bit.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-177-continuing-russia-ukraine-war/#comment-5204409

    Imho the fierce resistance and near max Western pressure already made RF to abandon any plans to swallow whole UA, the rearranged goal is some variation of finlandization like Finns got it after 1945, which btw will be quite a defeat to the karlinist dreams. So the more UA army will be capable to fight before nearing a military defeat, the better conditions they should get.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-177-continuing-russia-ukraine-war/#comment-5204674
     

    Roughly a month after invasion:

    But wait, there is more to come – it was not some strange coincidence last time when rather big armies were clashing in roughly the same areas the battles are going now, all war participants were trying to start and do all their own biggest ground offensives in summer. Yeah, I mean 1941, 1942,1943 and 1944.
    Right now some country is regrouping and trying to do the biggest and certainly very quick crushing victorious Donbas offensive against the strongest defence lines during coming spring with thawing grounds and soon starting April potential cloudy raining…just after they couldn’t finish some offensive against a capital in a place where there were just relatively minor UA forces and no prepared defence lines in advance, lol
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-183-russia-ukraine/#comment-5269025
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    My prediction was that the Russians would drive around the country side burning crops and warehouses. I did not expect the forces available would conduct an assault on Kiev to occupy it. I did think that capturing the airport was a sign that the Ukies were finished though. Those landings were somewhat shocking in their ease of execution. The counter attack by the Militias around Kiev was a surprise as well.

    I also made a rather different prediction. Russia would sacrifice 250,000 KIA to keep Crimea by any means. Made that prediction in 2014.

  815. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings. Doesn't fill me with confidence for parliamentary democracy, especially with declining demographics.

    In fact, not that I consider it part of Europe, but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is, and they are looking to weaken their presidency.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings.

    Don’t really get the reference, what are you thinking of?
    AfD’s youth section was recently declared anti-constitutional by Germany’s inland security service (on the grounds that they think there’s such a thing as ethnic Germans, that alone is now sufficient, considerable escalation by the establishment). But so far the main party hasn’t cucked and disavowed them (only a question of time anyway until the entire party will be declared proven extremists).

    but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is

    Apart from the Kurdish areas, many parts of Turkey already have very bad demographics. Future doesn’t look good for ethnic Turks either (all the more so given all those foreigners Erdogan has invited).
    Turks in Germany who voted in the elections were about two thirds in favour of Erdogan though…after the Greens explicitly told not them not to, lol.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Could be misremembering, or maybe my impression isn't accurate. Thought there was a story about the FPÖ a few years back - notable because Kurz was in the youth wing, at one time. I think Mark Collett was in the youth wing of the BNP (though I guess that is not really a major party) when he was driven out.

    I just get the impression that the leadership of parties tends to be old and careerist, and they are constantly trying to crackdown on the youth wings to control optics. Though, I guess All-Polish Youth isn't closely afiliated with any party.



    Future doesn’t look good for ethnic Turks either
     
    Shocking that TFR in Ankara and Constantinople is now <1.3. It is kind of amazing to me how old the guy they set up against Erdogan is (74!) - but, maybe, that's just the result of him being some consensus placeholder to remove Erdogan.

    Turks in Germany who voted in the elections were about two thirds in favour of Erdogan
     
    I still remember that amusing statue of him that mysteriously appeared.
  816. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Bakhmut is Prigozhin’ sort project. His own Kosher attempt to springboard a political career. Probably one that the CIA and Mi6 encourage.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You believe that the CIA are controlling the only part of the Russian military that had success during what was supposed to be their war winning Winter offensive?

    Do you also believe that the Russian Federation is a globalist/CIA/MI6 project?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well we are making progress at least. The Putin defenders like Wokechoke are at least acknowledging the Jewish chef.

    For most of last year they wouldn't even state his name. MacGregor would talk about Bakhmut with no mention of him.

    I don't think Anglin has yet to reference him.

    He's the Voldemort Jew that they don't like talking about.

    He ruins their fantasy of Russia being an Orthodox ethnostate against a Jewish alliance.

    They also don't mention Putin's Jewish propagandist who is currently demanding that nukes be used against cities.

    Also no mention of Putin being pals with Netanyahu or his trips to Israel where he hugs everyone and wears the party cap. Posting those pictures will really aggravate them. It's like reminding children that it is impossible for Santa to fit down a chimney.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command's nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin's survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He's the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian "Strelkov" in all western coverage.

    It's very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It's quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin's career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn't mean it'll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Matra, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

  817. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you do not understand my perspective.

    I am against WW3 and nuclear war.

    I recognize that Russia was pressured militarily by the West. Three important examples are expansion of NATO which is intrinsically aggressive, dropping out of the ABM treaty which is intrinsically aggressive and participating in a violent coup in a border country which is intrinsically aggressive. If similar things had been done against the West our response might be similar to Russia's. This is stuff a high school student can understand. These concerns have been pointed out by Western diplomats, scholars and military men for decades.

    There is no middle ground. The West is pressuring Russia because people think they are powerful enough to pull it off. I see this as a continuation of past Western-Russian tensions. The difference is that the slightly controlled nature of the process can break down and lead to massive worldwide war, probably including nuclear weapons. The biggest short-term tragedy from a world war will probably be starvation of billions of people.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I don’t understand how the various threads in your reply tie together. We were discussing Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia and that also Russia did not choose it, which I found an interesting position. Here you seem to have made a couple of grievances that you have against the West and combined them with threats of WW3.

    Are you arguing that NATO allowing in countries that applied to join it and leaving the ABM treaty is why Russia had no choice but to invade Ukraine and enact this “just as planned” operation, complete with all of the deaths, destruction and withdrawals?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia
     
    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev. However almost everyone, including QCIC, grasps that they didn't achieve what they were after. Therefore, I am reasonably sure that is *not* what QCIC wrote.

    Would you please provide the exact citation that you are reading to reach this decidedly odd misinterpretation?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

  818. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that the CIA are controlling the only part of the Russian military that had success during what was supposed to be their war winning Winter offensive?

    Do you also believe that the Russian Federation is a globalist/CIA/MI6 project?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    Well we are making progress at least. The Putin defenders like Wokechoke are at least acknowledging the Jewish chef.

    For most of last year they wouldn’t even state his name. MacGregor would talk about Bakhmut with no mention of him.

    I don’t think Anglin has yet to reference him.

    He’s the Voldemort Jew that they don’t like talking about.

    He ruins their fantasy of Russia being an Orthodox ethnostate against a Jewish alliance.

    They also don’t mention Putin’s Jewish propagandist who is currently demanding that nukes be used against cities.

    Also no mention of Putin being pals with Netanyahu or his trips to Israel where he hugs everyone and wears the party cap. Posting those pictures will really aggravate them. It’s like reminding children that it is impossible for Santa to fit down a chimney.

  819. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

     

    Four days, no?

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.
     
    Based on the population ratios, comparing the Russia-Ukraine War to the Iran-Iraq War and to the Italo-Greek War seems more accurate, no? In the case of the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq (the less populous country) actually did get a lot of supplies, weapons, intelligence, et cetera from the West. Maybe it would be more comparable to the Italo-Greek War if there was no general war in Europe at the time and thus no 1940 Fall of France and thus the Anglo-French could offer much greater material support to the Greeks in their fight against the Italians.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it's a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  820. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I don't understand how the various threads in your reply tie together. We were discussing Russia's invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia and that also Russia did not choose it, which I found an interesting position. Here you seem to have made a couple of grievances that you have against the West and combined them with threats of WW3.

    Are you arguing that NATO allowing in countries that applied to join it and leaving the ABM treaty is why Russia had no choice but to invade Ukraine and enact this "just as planned" operation, complete with all of the deaths, destruction and withdrawals?

    Replies: @A123

    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia

    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev. However almost everyone, including QCIC, grasps that they didn’t achieve what they were after. Therefore, I am reasonably sure that is *not* what QCIC wrote.

    Would you please provide the exact citation that you are reading to reach this decidedly odd misinterpretation?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    He directly states that Russia's "slow progress" is "intentional." In other words, that it is proceeding as planned.

    He also adds that Russia's chances of winning are 100%, except for a 1/5 chance that international powers conspire against Russia, I think. In others words, that the plan is working and is good.

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev.

    There are three separate leaked plans detailing a takeover. You can't launch a massive invasion without giving out some plans.

    Captured POWs describe being told that the mission will only last a few days.

    There was a 40 mile column of supply trucks and armor headed towards Kiev. It was visible by public satellites. Amusingly I was initially told by Putin defenders that it didn't exist and was made up by the US or MSM.

    There are CCTV captures of tank battles and small arms fights within the city limits.

    There are captured Chechens that claim they were told to find and kill Zelensky.

    The Russians failed to take an airport close to the city and the Ukrainians in fact used it as a trap. They fully expected the Russians and had artillery waiting.

    It's only a mystery as to what Putin had planned if you don't want to know.

    . Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention.

    Yes they supposedly had the stronger hand and failed to take Kiev. Military analysts will discuss that failure for years. One of the worst assumptions Putin made is that the Ukrainians would welcome them. He also was in serious denial of the Javalins and INLAWs. It was almost as if he believed they wouldn't work. Or the more likely answer is that he is disconnected from reality and conducted the war from his imagination.

  821. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia.

    That’s what Biden likely would have done in the event of a minor Russian incursion into Ukraine, as Biden himself has explicitly said before the war. So, an outright Russian annexation of Donbass or whatever. But obviously the West could not tolerate a complete Russian conquest of Ukraine. Especially those Westerners who viewed Ukraine as a future EU member.

    Frankly, I’m inclined to believe that Trump would have been worse for Ukraine, possibly by giving them HIMARS and whatnot pre-invasion, thus making Putin even more paranoid and thus even more likely to invade Ukraine, only for Trump to subsequently get scared of nuclear war and thus to throw Ukraine under the bus after Russia would have already invaded it.

    As for a Ukrainian insurgency, just how easy would it be for a population with a TFR of 1.3 and a median age of 40+ to sustain an insurgency long-term? Especially with open borders with the EU? You gotta keep in mind that moving to the EU beats spending 25 years or whatever in a gulag and getting poisoned and/or killed, either in the gulag or as a part of some kind of special Russian military/intelligence operation.

    As for cancelling Nord Stream 2 sanctions, I’ll repeat what I previously said: The pre-invasion logic for this move was sound: To preserve some economic ties with Russia in order to reduce the risk of Russia acting aggressively. It didn’t work, obviously, but it was still a valiant effort. The West won’t be so gullible in the future, of course.

  822. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    Frankly, I was just surprised that your immediate pre-war takes on a Ukraine War were much more bullish than your 2018 takes on a Ukraine War, as if you were letting your hopes dictate your expectations now that the idea of a Ukraine War was much, much closer to becoming a reality (it was purely hypothetical and deemed unlikely back in 2018).

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn't come off as a senile grandpa at the time (granted it now appears they played an "activist" role in the affair).

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ

  823. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

    Four days, no?

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.

    Based on the population ratios, comparing the Russia-Ukraine War to the Iran-Iraq War and to the Italo-Greek War seems more accurate, no? In the case of the Iran-Iraq War, Iraq (the less populous country) actually did get a lot of supplies, weapons, intelligence, et cetera from the West. Maybe it would be more comparable to the Italo-Greek War if there was no general war in Europe at the time and thus no 1940 Fall of France and thus the Anglo-French could offer much greater material support to the Greeks in their fight against the Italians.

  824. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia
     
    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev. However almost everyone, including QCIC, grasps that they didn't achieve what they were after. Therefore, I am reasonably sure that is *not* what QCIC wrote.

    Would you please provide the exact citation that you are reading to reach this decidedly odd misinterpretation?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    He directly states that Russia’s “slow progress” is “intentional.” In other words, that it is proceeding as planned.

    He also adds that Russia’s chances of winning are 100%, except for a 1/5 chance that international powers conspire against Russia, I think. In others words, that the plan is working and is good.

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I have explained my perspective in earlier threads. If I accept Russia's stated goals at face value (all of them Mr. JJ) and some of the key facts on the ground, I conclude that a fairly rapid, shock and awe type of campaign could not achieve those goals. So then I have to decide if the current slow, grinding approach might achieve the goals. I say yes. Is my interpretation correct? Who knows, check back in a year or two. They are killing off the AFU, probably taking out NeoNazis left and right and burning through NATO assets, apparently at manageable cost to Russia. As I have written before, it is not in the best interest of the Russian military if Ukraine capitulates too soon.

    The most important facts on the ground are that Russia has blatantly avoided civilian casualties and limited the destruction of crucial infrastructure. Yes, many civilians have been killed, substantial medium-size cities have been leveled, but these losses are small compared to the scale of the conflict IMO. They seem to be stepping things up in regard to infrastructure, but as long as the main bridges stand and the power is still on most places then I see the Russian campaign as highly controlled and very intentional.

    No one needs to agree, but think about it. Russia has goals for this situation, what process can achieve those goals in a couple of years?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think you are the over reading what was actually written. Trying to state that things are going exactly as planned when Russia has not announced its plans is rather problematic. The phrase that you are trying to insert "the plan is working and is good" has connotations that really are not present.

    You would be better served by sticking with something that more closely resembles what QCIC actually wrote. Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention. It is a much more general assertion about the balance of power and does not dwell on unannounced and unknowable Kremlin plans.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Triteleia Laxa

  825. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree. The Biden administration also predicted Kiev falling in 3 days.

    Based on the false assumption that Ukraine was artificial (or more so, than other nations), the 300k troops that Russia committed at the beginning would have been sufficient for a Czechoslovakia 1968 type takeover at best (bloodless a couple of weeks), or an Iraq war style takeover at worst (5 weeks, no more than a thousand or two thousand casualties).

    But given that Ukraine was not fake, it’s population was highly motivated, and it’s government was not a Somalis as the Saker envisioned but rather one that was capable of organizing a good army ( it’s infantry was better than Russia’s even before the flood of Western weapons), Putin was rather stumbling into something more like the US Civil War. A smaller, more motivated and skillful force fighting against a juggernaut. It took the North 4 years, I figured in the age of jets, rockets and tanks it might take Russia 6 months of bloody fighting to grind out a victory over Ukraine’s military.

    But what if the Confederacy hadn’t been blockaded and on the contrary had been lavishly equipped by all of Europe? And if the North has failed to produce a Grant or Sherman (and Putin is no Lincoln)? This scenario actually is a lot like the Soviet invasion of Poland in 1919-1920. Poland, well led, highly motivated, and lavishly equipped by a steady supply of the best Western arms. Poland did much better than the Confederacy.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it’s a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization
     
    What's the source for those numbers? Any firm data, or just a guess (like with so much else about this war, since crucial factors like the casualty numbers of both sides aren't known to any reliable degree)?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Lincoln is denying it’s a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent.
     
    Exactly. And Britain/France have already figured out that Lincoln's threats of unprecedented consequences if they cross unclear red lines are a bluff so keep crossing them one after the other.

    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Out of curiosity: If you believe that it is immoral for the West to support Ukraine and for Ukraine to engage in conscription, do you also believe that it is immoral for Russia to engage in conscription, both in this (current) war and in World War I? As well as it being immoral for Russia to go to war on Serbia's behalf in 1914 in general?

    After all, Russia's decision to go to war for Serbia in 1914 massively increased the amount of suffering that people endured during the 1910s, including involuntary suffering (and, for that matter, very possibly *Serb* suffering as well since Serbia would have likely fallen quicker without Russian military intervention on its behalf) due to conscription as well as the Armenian Genocide (which almost certainly would not have occurred, at least not on anywhere near the same scale, without World War I). If the West is evil for supporting Ukraine and thus prolonging Ukrainian suffering even though this gives Ukraine a chance to get better peace terms, was Russia evil for prolonging suffering in the 1910s so that it could acquire Galicia, Constantinople, et cetera (even though it was far from clear that Russia could actually win free and fair plebiscites in these places, especially Tsarist Russia)?

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization
     
    This was from a poll of 150 IT specialists who are readers of the website. Only 15% of those 150 people received summons.

    So the draft avoidance percentage is based on 23 people who got summoned!

    From the comments, one of the ones who didn't go complained of irregularities (he was given the summons at a market, he was involved in humanitarian projects).

    Not sure what percentage of the general population are actually avoiding the draft, but doing so is a source of shame:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/world/asia/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html

    So I doubt that it's a majority. I recall it was around 30%, but haven't found concrete numbers now. At any rate, Ukraine so far hasn't had trouble filling its ranks:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-into-war-ukraine-faces-challenges-mobilizing-troops-64dcdc49

    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.

    Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly
     
    Sure, but it's still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

  826. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it's a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization

    What’s the source for those numbers? Any firm data, or just a guess (like with so much else about this war, since crucial factors like the casualty numbers of both sides aren’t known to any reliable degree)?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1613274364459335680

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

  827. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    He directly states that Russia's "slow progress" is "intentional." In other words, that it is proceeding as planned.

    He also adds that Russia's chances of winning are 100%, except for a 1/5 chance that international powers conspire against Russia, I think. In others words, that the plan is working and is good.

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    I have explained my perspective in earlier threads. If I accept Russia’s stated goals at face value (all of them Mr. JJ) and some of the key facts on the ground, I conclude that a fairly rapid, shock and awe type of campaign could not achieve those goals. So then I have to decide if the current slow, grinding approach might achieve the goals. I say yes. Is my interpretation correct? Who knows, check back in a year or two. They are killing off the AFU, probably taking out NeoNazis left and right and burning through NATO assets, apparently at manageable cost to Russia. As I have written before, it is not in the best interest of the Russian military if Ukraine capitulates too soon.

    The most important facts on the ground are that Russia has blatantly avoided civilian casualties and limited the destruction of crucial infrastructure. Yes, many civilians have been killed, substantial medium-size cities have been leveled, but these losses are small compared to the scale of the conflict IMO. They seem to be stepping things up in regard to infrastructure, but as long as the main bridges stand and the power is still on most places then I see the Russian campaign as highly controlled and very intentional.

    No one needs to agree, but think about it. Russia has goals for this situation, what process can achieve those goals in a couple of years?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Can you elaborate as if to a young child on what you believe those goals to be?

    Replies: @QCIC

  828. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I have explained my perspective in earlier threads. If I accept Russia's stated goals at face value (all of them Mr. JJ) and some of the key facts on the ground, I conclude that a fairly rapid, shock and awe type of campaign could not achieve those goals. So then I have to decide if the current slow, grinding approach might achieve the goals. I say yes. Is my interpretation correct? Who knows, check back in a year or two. They are killing off the AFU, probably taking out NeoNazis left and right and burning through NATO assets, apparently at manageable cost to Russia. As I have written before, it is not in the best interest of the Russian military if Ukraine capitulates too soon.

    The most important facts on the ground are that Russia has blatantly avoided civilian casualties and limited the destruction of crucial infrastructure. Yes, many civilians have been killed, substantial medium-size cities have been leveled, but these losses are small compared to the scale of the conflict IMO. They seem to be stepping things up in regard to infrastructure, but as long as the main bridges stand and the power is still on most places then I see the Russian campaign as highly controlled and very intentional.

    No one needs to agree, but think about it. Russia has goals for this situation, what process can achieve those goals in a couple of years?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Can you elaborate as if to a young child on what you believe those goals to be?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not really. Is an adult conversation I have been trying to have here for a year. I edited out the words "and some of their implications" [of the stated goals] from the sentence you are referring to, which makes it even more of an adult conversation.

    I can't tell if you are sincere or a troll so I don't know if it is worth the effort.

    Which is it?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  829. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization
     
    What's the source for those numbers? Any firm data, or just a guess (like with so much else about this war, since crucial factors like the casualty numbers of both sides aren't known to any reliable degree)?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ok, thanks. If accurate, even less reason to care about this gay farce of a war (apart from the potential nuclear factor).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    This was a small sample of 150 IT specialists who are readers of dev.ua.

  830. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Reading Russian mil Twitter today, many personalities are hyping the idea that the Russian Khinzal missile destroyed the US donated Patriot missile system.
     
    But this is an impossible claim as the Patriot missile system consists of many launchers, spread over a wide area and the main part of the device would not be in the open.

     
    A Patriot system is composed of three major pieces. M901 Launchers are exposed and expendable. The AN/MPQ-53/65 radars are typically deployed with some redundancy. The Ukrainian equipment list is not terribly detailed.

    Presumably what they Russians are claiming they took out is the command vehicle: (1)

    The Engagement Control Station calculates trajectories for interceptors and controls the launching sequence. As such, it communicates with the launcher stations and other PATRIOT batteries. It is the only manned station in a PATRIOT fire unit.
    ...

    AN/MSQ-104 Control Station is the command and control unit of the entire Patriot system. The ECS consists of a shelter mounted on the chassis of an M927 5-Ton Cargo Truck or on the chassis of a Light Medium Tactical Vehicle (LMTV) cargo truck. The MSQ-104 has a crew of 3.
     

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/north_america/united_states/missile_vehicle_system/an_msq-104/AN_MSQ-104_Engagement_Control_Station_Patriot_MIM-104_925_001.jpg

     

    If this nondescript looking truck is blown up, nothing else works. And, the chance of a ready spare is virtually nil. The entire Patriot system is likely to be out of commission for days, weeks, or longer, until replacement equipment and highly specialized crew can be found.

    The claim has superficial plausibility.

    If the Ukrainians are using proper doctrine, the mobile system should relocate irregularly and frequently. The issue would be intelligence. The targeting details would have to be passed from the field to the Khinzal launch command authority. Then be turned into a mission fairly quickly.

    If the story is true. Either, the Russians were unusually efficient (or just lucky). Or, the Ukrainians did something predictable. If the newer support teams are spending excessive time taking down, moving, and coming back into service.... There would be a great deal of temptation to slow down the move tempo so the system has more time available for use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.armyrecognition.com/united_states_american_missile_system_vehicle_uk/patriot_mim-104_surface-to-air_defense_missile_data_sheet_specifications_information_description.html

    Replies: @QCIC

    SAMS are a natural target for Kinzhal and Iskander missiles. Assume Mach 6 average speed, roughly 75 miles per minute. Does that allow enough warning to bug out a major missile complex? Not always. That is one reason why NASAMS exist.

  831. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    He directly states that Russia's "slow progress" is "intentional." In other words, that it is proceeding as planned.

    He also adds that Russia's chances of winning are 100%, except for a 1/5 chance that international powers conspire against Russia, I think. In others words, that the plan is working and is good.

    I think Russia’s likelihood of full victory is about 80%. I think the slow progression is intentional. Mere survival is not a realistic option for Russia. Anything less than a decisive Russian victory will embolden the West to pursue future similar projects against Russia. My 20% chance for other outcomes has nothing to do with military capabilities, this would be the result of some background dealing by the powers that be.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    I think you are the over reading what was actually written. Trying to state that things are going exactly as planned when Russia has not announced its plans is rather problematic. The phrase that you are trying to insert “the plan is working and is good” has connotations that really are not present.

    You would be better served by sticking with something that more closely resembles what QCIC actually wrote. Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention. It is a much more general assertion about the balance of power and does not dwell on unannounced and unknowable Kremlin plans.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I don't mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don't learn much.

    I am not anti-war (I believe in self-defense) but I am really, really anti-World War.

    I think there was clearly some disagreement in the Russian military leadership at the beginning of the SMO. In my view that implies behind the scenes fighting amongst factions and fifth columns inside Russia, but I don't expect to ever hear the real explanation.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture. As JJ likes to point out Russia has many negative internal trends to fight in this larger civilizational war, so who knows how it will turn out?

    Replies: @A123

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Many reasonable people doubt that Russia has the ability to threaten Kherson again. In this context, I am trying to discover what anyone sympathetic to Russia considers to be a workable theory of victory for them.

    Replies: @A123

  832. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1613274364459335680

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    Ok, thanks. If accurate, even less reason to care about this gay farce of a war (apart from the potential nuclear factor).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    There is value in aiming to ensure that Ukraine wins this war on the maximally advantageous terms possible that don't involve either direct NATO military intervention or nuclear war: Specifically, this would pave the way for creating the largest possible EU in the long(er)-run. Really, from a selfish Western perspective, creating a larger EU is the main reason for the West to support Ukraine. A Ukraine that will eventually be in the EU (once it will fix its problems with corruption, et cetera; Ukrainian corruption probably can't be reduced to German or Scandinavian levels but hopefully it can be reduced to Polish levels over the next several decades) would result in even larger economies of scale for the EU and West.

    I also support Turkish EU membership for similar reasons. Turks are relatively high-human capital, relatively secular, and have the stamp of approval of the notoriously "Islamophobic" Poles. Sounds like a great idea and a great deal to me! :)

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    The article says it is based on a poll in which 150 IT specialists responded. Of them, only 15% got a summons.

    So the sample of only 23 people, who are IT specialists.

    I wouldn't draw conclusions about the general draft avoidance rate from this.

    Here's the article:

    https://dev.ua/news/de-aitishnykam-vruchaly-povistky-10-mini-istorii-vid-chytachiv-devua-1655811982

  833. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it's a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Lincoln is denying it’s a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent.

    Exactly. And Britain/France have already figured out that Lincoln’s threats of unprecedented consequences if they cross unclear red lines are a bluff so keep crossing them one after the other.

    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mikel


    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?
     
    My view (covered several times on Twitter) is that the kremlins blew their nuclear credibility through extreme overuse. Personally I think they'll capitulate in this scenario and try to resolve the political fallout with truncheons in Moscow. (However, I don't expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective). Still, assuming this as a given would still be deeply reckless of Western leaders, given the stakes involved.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

  834. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and you seemed to be arguing that it was going exactly as planned for Russia
     
    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev. However almost everyone, including QCIC, grasps that they didn't achieve what they were after. Therefore, I am reasonably sure that is *not* what QCIC wrote.

    Would you please provide the exact citation that you are reading to reach this decidedly odd misinterpretation?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    As Russia has has not made it public, no one knows what the exact plan was at Kiev.

    There are three separate leaked plans detailing a takeover. You can’t launch a massive invasion without giving out some plans.

    Captured POWs describe being told that the mission will only last a few days.

    There was a 40 mile column of supply trucks and armor headed towards Kiev. It was visible by public satellites. Amusingly I was initially told by Putin defenders that it didn’t exist and was made up by the US or MSM.

    There are CCTV captures of tank battles and small arms fights within the city limits.

    There are captured Chechens that claim they were told to find and kill Zelensky.

    The Russians failed to take an airport close to the city and the Ukrainians in fact used it as a trap. They fully expected the Russians and had artillery waiting.

    It’s only a mystery as to what Putin had planned if you don’t want to know.

    . Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention.

    Yes they supposedly had the stronger hand and failed to take Kiev. Military analysts will discuss that failure for years. One of the worst assumptions Putin made is that the Ukrainians would welcome them. He also was in serious denial of the Javalins and INLAWs. It was almost as if he believed they wouldn’t work. Or the more likely answer is that he is disconnected from reality and conducted the war from his imagination.

  835. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Can you elaborate as if to a young child on what you believe those goals to be?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Not really. Is an adult conversation I have been trying to have here for a year. I edited out the words “and some of their implications” [of the stated goals] from the sentence you are referring to, which makes it even more of an adult conversation.

    I can’t tell if you are sincere or a troll so I don’t know if it is worth the effort.

    Which is it?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Sincere. So what are the goals in your opinion?

    Replies: @QCIC

  836. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    No, East Prussia was split three ways and Poland took the largest chunk in the south. Russia took the middle w Koningsberg city and Lithuania took the northern coast (Memel).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    The part of East Prussia that Poland took was largely Polish-majority, albeit with a strongly German political orientation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite

    I wonder: Had Tsarist Russia survived up to the end of WWI, would it have sought to partition East Prussia together with Poland, with Poland getting the southern half while Tsarist Russia would have gotten the northern half? Of course, in such a scenario, Poland would have very likely been in personal union with Russia.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder: Had Tsarist Russia survived up to the end of WWI, would it have sought to partition East Prussia together with Poland, with Poland getting the southern half while Tsarist Russia would have gotten the northern half? Of course, in such a scenario, Poland would have very likely been in personal union with Russia.

    That's a complex scenario because the Germans wouldn't be able to make the same deal with the Communists. It was favorable to the Germans because the Communists believed they would eventually take all of Europe through revolution.

    Maybe Germany would have cut a deal with France and went East. Talk the French into breaking ties with Russia.

    Or better year go after territories outside of continental Europe.

    But that is what they should have done anyways. Getting into a war with Britain was always a bad idea. The British Navy can choke your shipping lines and there is always the threat of dialing in 1800YANKEE. The British can sit on their island and hold out with US supplies. They are also very stubborn as both German dictators learned.

    Hitler talked about going East in his book and then made the same mistake of dragging in France and Britain. Then he amazingly made the same mistake of two fronts after swearing that he wouldn't.

  837. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it's a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Out of curiosity: If you believe that it is immoral for the West to support Ukraine and for Ukraine to engage in conscription, do you also believe that it is immoral for Russia to engage in conscription, both in this (current) war and in World War I? As well as it being immoral for Russia to go to war on Serbia’s behalf in 1914 in general?

    After all, Russia’s decision to go to war for Serbia in 1914 massively increased the amount of suffering that people endured during the 1910s, including involuntary suffering (and, for that matter, very possibly *Serb* suffering as well since Serbia would have likely fallen quicker without Russian military intervention on its behalf) due to conscription as well as the Armenian Genocide (which almost certainly would not have occurred, at least not on anywhere near the same scale, without World War I). If the West is evil for supporting Ukraine and thus prolonging Ukrainian suffering even though this gives Ukraine a chance to get better peace terms, was Russia evil for prolonging suffering in the 1910s so that it could acquire Galicia, Constantinople, et cetera (even though it was far from clear that Russia could actually win free and fair plebiscites in these places, especially Tsarist Russia)?

  838. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ok, thanks. If accurate, even less reason to care about this gay farce of a war (apart from the potential nuclear factor).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    There is value in aiming to ensure that Ukraine wins this war on the maximally advantageous terms possible that don’t involve either direct NATO military intervention or nuclear war: Specifically, this would pave the way for creating the largest possible EU in the long(er)-run. Really, from a selfish Western perspective, creating a larger EU is the main reason for the West to support Ukraine. A Ukraine that will eventually be in the EU (once it will fix its problems with corruption, et cetera; Ukrainian corruption probably can’t be reduced to German or Scandinavian levels but hopefully it can be reduced to Polish levels over the next several decades) would result in even larger economies of scale for the EU and West.

    I also support Turkish EU membership for similar reasons. Turks are relatively high-human capital, relatively secular, and have the stamp of approval of the notoriously “Islamophobic” Poles. Sounds like a great idea and a great deal to me! 🙂

  839. LatW says:

    So last night in Kyiv, probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. The massive attack included Kalibr, Kinzhal, Iskander – in larger numbers than ever and all at once! They were intercepted by Patriot (and probably Iris T). Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.

    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.
     

    Why? Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what's supposed to be the reasoning here?
    If there's any truth to the idea that Russia's nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. .../... Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.
     
    Apparently, the interception rate was over 100% again. More missiles intercepted than launched. But at least 2 clear impacts were filmed and geolocated to the Sikorsky airport. No idea where the thousands of saved lives theory comes from. I don't think any Russian missile attack has ever produced that amount of casualties. This one seems to have actually been an attack to suppress the Patriot systems and there's a video showing that indeed something exploded on the ground at the very place where the AA missiles were being launched from. Western sources are acknowledging that some damage to the Patriots occurred.

    The idea that the Patriots in Ukraine are going to be more effective than in Gaza or Yemen is quite unsound. Fortunately, given the implications pointed out by G_R. But some idiots like Fabian Hoffmann (Doctoral Research Fellow. Defense policy, missile technology, and nuclear strategy) or the usually more level-headed Justin Bronk look convinced that we have the means to stop any salvo of Russian missiles, including the hypersonic ones. These are some of the experts guiding our policymakers.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

  840. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think you are the over reading what was actually written. Trying to state that things are going exactly as planned when Russia has not announced its plans is rather problematic. The phrase that you are trying to insert "the plan is working and is good" has connotations that really are not present.

    You would be better served by sticking with something that more closely resembles what QCIC actually wrote. Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention. It is a much more general assertion about the balance of power and does not dwell on unannounced and unknowable Kremlin plans.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Triteleia Laxa

    I don’t mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don’t learn much.

    I am not anti-war (I believe in self-defense) but I am really, really anti-World War.

    I think there was clearly some disagreement in the Russian military leadership at the beginning of the SMO. In my view that implies behind the scenes fighting amongst factions and fifth columns inside Russia, but I don’t expect to ever hear the real explanation.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture. As JJ likes to point out Russia has many negative internal trends to fight in this larger civilizational war, so who knows how it will turn out?

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I don’t mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don’t learn much.
     
    I am the only one suggesting that Europe is deliberately prolonging the mess. It fits the necessary characteristics of driving the Muslim Great Replacement of Judeo-Christians.

    So... I am Mr. Different Perspective.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture
     
    Russia cannot afford to destroy and rebuild all of Ukraine. And, they do not want a failed state on their border. That implies that regime change is a Russia goal. Bringing it into the Russian bloc is probably too far. A better neutral that will keep European military adventurism out is a more practical end state.

    There is no sign that Russia cares if Ukraine joins the economic EU. As long as it does not become part of a European military alliance, like NATO. Letting Europe pay for Ukraine would be tolerable. Whether Europe will allow Ukraine to join the EU is a different question.
    ____

    NATO is too large and makes very little sense at this point. It should have died with the Warsaw Pact dissolution. However, that is an entirely different topic.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  841. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The part of East Prussia that Poland took was largely Polish-majority, albeit with a strongly German political orientation:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Sprachen_Deutsches_Reich_1900.png

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_East_Prussian_plebiscite

    I wonder: Had Tsarist Russia survived up to the end of WWI, would it have sought to partition East Prussia together with Poland, with Poland getting the southern half while Tsarist Russia would have gotten the northern half? Of course, in such a scenario, Poland would have very likely been in personal union with Russia.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I wonder: Had Tsarist Russia survived up to the end of WWI, would it have sought to partition East Prussia together with Poland, with Poland getting the southern half while Tsarist Russia would have gotten the northern half? Of course, in such a scenario, Poland would have very likely been in personal union with Russia.

    That’s a complex scenario because the Germans wouldn’t be able to make the same deal with the Communists. It was favorable to the Germans because the Communists believed they would eventually take all of Europe through revolution.

    Maybe Germany would have cut a deal with France and went East. Talk the French into breaking ties with Russia.

    Or better year go after territories outside of continental Europe.

    But that is what they should have done anyways. Getting into a war with Britain was always a bad idea. The British Navy can choke your shipping lines and there is always the threat of dialing in 1800YANKEE. The British can sit on their island and hold out with US supplies. They are also very stubborn as both German dictators learned.

    Hitler talked about going East in his book and then made the same mistake of dragging in France and Britain. Then he amazingly made the same mistake of two fronts after swearing that he wouldn’t.

  842. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    So last night in Kyiv, probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. The massive attack included Kalibr, Kinzhal, Iskander - in larger numbers than ever and all at once! They were intercepted by Patriot (and probably Iris T). Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.

    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.

    Why? Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what’s supposed to be the reasoning here?
    If there’s any truth to the idea that Russia’s nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what’s supposed to be the reasoning here?
     
    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished. What is more important is that we see now that there is enough capability to withstand such massive air attacks, so limitations can be place on the use of these most formidable Russian weapons, even if it is very expensive and, of course, considerable damage can still be done. This is more about the so called Russian wunderwaffe being neutralized to a significant extent. They used to threaten with those Kinzhals for a long time.

    If there’s any truth to the idea that Russia’s nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.
     
    Nuclear weapons are meant for strategic deterrence. So Russia should not have threatened their use in a regional conventional war. A nuclear state is not even supposed to use them against a non-nuclear state. When one carries a firearm, they do it responsibly, same should be for nukes.

    Replies: @German_reader

  843. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.
     

    Why? Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what's supposed to be the reasoning here?
    If there's any truth to the idea that Russia's nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.

    Replies: @LatW

    Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what’s supposed to be the reasoning here?

    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished. What is more important is that we see now that there is enough capability to withstand such massive air attacks, so limitations can be place on the use of these most formidable Russian weapons, even if it is very expensive and, of course, considerable damage can still be done. This is more about the so called Russian wunderwaffe being neutralized to a significant extent. They used to threaten with those Kinzhals for a long time.

    If there’s any truth to the idea that Russia’s nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.

    Nuclear weapons are meant for strategic deterrence. So Russia should not have threatened their use in a regional conventional war. A nuclear state is not even supposed to use them against a non-nuclear state. When one carries a firearm, they do it responsibly, same should be for nukes.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished.
     
    You're crazy, you don't understand what that would mean, it would make a nuclear war MORE likely. It would mean Russia can't be secure that its 2nd strike capability will work, coupled with the fact that the Kremlinites already are prone to paranoia (though I'm not sure it could be called just paranoia, US policy does clearly aim at ensuring the US is the dominant world power which can dictate terms to everybody else after all) this will make miscalculations and short-time decisions for supposedly preemptive strikes much more of a risk.
    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don't think Russia's invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me. You don't give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances (as if this war were primarily about them, lol) and you are incapable of entertaining even the slightest doubts.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

  844. @LatW
    So last night in Kyiv, probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. The massive attack included Kalibr, Kinzhal, Iskander - in larger numbers than ever and all at once! They were intercepted by Patriot (and probably Iris T). Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.

    Iskander is something that the RusFed could use with nuclear heads.

    The implication here is that a massive Russian air attack can be defended against. This will only embolden the West to provide whatever weapons Ukraine needs to recover their territory.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. …/… Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.

    Apparently, the interception rate was over 100% again. More missiles intercepted than launched. But at least 2 clear impacts were filmed and geolocated to the Sikorsky airport. No idea where the thousands of saved lives theory comes from. I don’t think any Russian missile attack has ever produced that amount of casualties. This one seems to have actually been an attack to suppress the Patriot systems and there’s a video showing that indeed something exploded on the ground at the very place where the AA missiles were being launched from. Western sources are acknowledging that some damage to the Patriots occurred.

    The idea that the Patriots in Ukraine are going to be more effective than in Gaza or Yemen is quite unsound. Fortunately, given the implications pointed out by G_R. But some idiots like Fabian Hoffmann (Doctoral Research Fellow. Defense policy, missile technology, and nuclear strategy) or the usually more level-headed Justin Bronk look convinced that we have the means to stop any salvo of Russian missiles, including the hypersonic ones. These are some of the experts guiding our policymakers.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel

    Where do you get your info from?

    Well, let's wait for more details. It was a very large attack, those in Kyiv say it was louder than usual. There may have been some other systems there besides Patriot, because it is Kyiv, so the Ukes must have some kind of systems of their own as well.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Has anyone seen any confirmation of Colonel Macgregor's report of a successful Russian missile attack on Moldovan bridges to limit access of Western troops to Odessa? This was mentioned in an interview linked by Ron.

    The Colonel reported on this several days ago. It should have been confirmed by now or I believe he would have retracted it. Unless he accidentally disclosed sensitive information which may be suppressed a bit more throughly.

  845. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. .../... Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.
     
    Apparently, the interception rate was over 100% again. More missiles intercepted than launched. But at least 2 clear impacts were filmed and geolocated to the Sikorsky airport. No idea where the thousands of saved lives theory comes from. I don't think any Russian missile attack has ever produced that amount of casualties. This one seems to have actually been an attack to suppress the Patriot systems and there's a video showing that indeed something exploded on the ground at the very place where the AA missiles were being launched from. Western sources are acknowledging that some damage to the Patriots occurred.

    The idea that the Patriots in Ukraine are going to be more effective than in Gaza or Yemen is quite unsound. Fortunately, given the implications pointed out by G_R. But some idiots like Fabian Hoffmann (Doctoral Research Fellow. Defense policy, missile technology, and nuclear strategy) or the usually more level-headed Justin Bronk look convinced that we have the means to stop any salvo of Russian missiles, including the hypersonic ones. These are some of the experts guiding our policymakers.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    Where do you get your info from?

    Well, let’s wait for more details. It was a very large attack, those in Kyiv say it was louder than usual. There may have been some other systems there besides Patriot, because it is Kyiv, so the Ukes must have some kind of systems of their own as well.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    This seems important and will be interesting if we get more facts.

    It may be the air defenses around Kiev are solid. On the other hand, I can think of at least a couple of reasons Russia would launch an apparently low-casualty strike on Kiev, beyond whatever sites were targeted.

    First is to identify exactly what high performance air defense capabilities are present and where.

    Second is to give a final warning to civilians demonstrating what may happen soon.

    The warning is for imminent bombing, not missile attacks. Kiev is fairly close to the border with Belarus, so once the SAMS are destroyed it seems vulnerable to bombers. It is probably still heavily defended to the North so these missions might entail aircraft losses. The Russians might accept some losses if they think the time is right for an old school coup de grace. It seems too early to me, but we don't have much detail on what has really happened in the past month.

  846. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Because the threat of nuclear war can now be totally discounted, or what’s supposed to be the reasoning here?
     
    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished. What is more important is that we see now that there is enough capability to withstand such massive air attacks, so limitations can be place on the use of these most formidable Russian weapons, even if it is very expensive and, of course, considerable damage can still be done. This is more about the so called Russian wunderwaffe being neutralized to a significant extent. They used to threaten with those Kinzhals for a long time.

    If there’s any truth to the idea that Russia’s nuclear missiles can be defended against, it also means that Russian concerns about the US intentionally destroying mutual deterrence in its quest for global hegemony have been validated btw.
     
    Nuclear weapons are meant for strategic deterrence. So Russia should not have threatened their use in a regional conventional war. A nuclear state is not even supposed to use them against a non-nuclear state. When one carries a firearm, they do it responsibly, same should be for nukes.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished.

    You’re crazy, you don’t understand what that would mean, it would make a nuclear war MORE likely. It would mean Russia can’t be secure that its 2nd strike capability will work, coupled with the fact that the Kremlinites already are prone to paranoia (though I’m not sure it could be called just paranoia, US policy does clearly aim at ensuring the US is the dominant world power which can dictate terms to everybody else after all) this will make miscalculations and short-time decisions for supposedly preemptive strikes much more of a risk.
    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me. You don’t give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances (as if this war were primarily about them, lol) and you are incapable of entertaining even the slightest doubts.

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader

    Sigh. I understand that this is a tense moment, but you might want to calm down (and start accepting reality).

    , @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me.

    Well Deutsche just what are you suggesting?

    Should Ukraine accept a loss of territory and billions worth of coal just because Putin has nukes? That's like giving into a terrorist who has dynamite strapped to his chest.

    You don’t give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances

    The petty nationalist responsible for this mess is Putin.

    He ruled over the world's largest country and the West even let him take Crimea.

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and is trying to go out as a conqueror.

    It isn't working and the world thinks he is a loser. If he sets off a tactical nuke then it will be an affirmation that he lost. It means that the underdog Ukraine has beaten Russia at war.

    There is also no reason to assume the order would be followed. Someone within the Kremlin might leak the plan to the West. His invasion plans were leaked before they happened.

    Ukraine should actually hold off on the offensive and see where the spat goes with Putin's Jewish chef. In fact Zelensky should offer to buy out Wagner.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  847. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished.
     
    You're crazy, you don't understand what that would mean, it would make a nuclear war MORE likely. It would mean Russia can't be secure that its 2nd strike capability will work, coupled with the fact that the Kremlinites already are prone to paranoia (though I'm not sure it could be called just paranoia, US policy does clearly aim at ensuring the US is the dominant world power which can dictate terms to everybody else after all) this will make miscalculations and short-time decisions for supposedly preemptive strikes much more of a risk.
    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don't think Russia's invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me. You don't give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances (as if this war were primarily about them, lol) and you are incapable of entertaining even the slightest doubts.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    Sigh. I understand that this is a tense moment, but you might want to calm down (and start accepting reality).

  848. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Frankly, I was just surprised that your immediate pre-war takes on a Ukraine War were much more bullish than your 2018 takes on a Ukraine War, as if you were letting your hopes dictate your expectations now that the idea of a Ukraine War was much, much closer to becoming a reality (it was purely hypothetical and deemed unlikely back in 2018).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn’t come off as a senile grandpa at the time (granted it now appears they played an “activist” role in the affair).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn’t come off as a senile grandpa at the time
     
    Zelensky looked very fresh faced in 2019, one wonders what he was indulging over the next two years to get that raddled look. Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative Ukrainian energy sector job. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin’s troll farm, and Trump been soft on Russia over Ukraine and denied Zelensky arms was the grounds for Trump's first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was “a killer”, and Biden said Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    Nevertheless, none of that seems to have been key, what apparently was-- judging by the way the Russian army build up for the invasion began a matter of days afterward---is Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk (they went on holidays together and Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk’s daughter) being arrested on Zelensky’s orders. So my impression is almost instantly after Zelensky had Medvedchuk detained, Putin's intentions changed from using repeated ostensible preparatory build ups for an invasion as a pressure tactic. to reactivating the feigned preparations as the basis for a real assault on Kiev and regime change. That would explain why the preparations lacked thoroughness and the force was far from massive in relation to what it was supposed to accomplish.

    The real target of Zelensky's anti oligarch campaign was Poroshenko who was regaining popularity, and the charges against Medvedchuk and Proshenk were both "treason"; so intended to tar Poroshenko with being just another pro Russian billionaire. Zelensky told the US to stop talking about an invasion mere weeks before it happened, which surely indicated that he was preoccupied with securing his domestic political position, did not understand the the Godfather, and thought he was simply sabre rattling again.
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    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, TBH, I (quite rightly) suspected that Putin might have had a rosier view of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia than they actually had. In other words, Putin might have believed that Ukrainian hostility towards Russia was only surface-level, ready to evaporate as soon as the Russian troops will come in to liberate Ukrainians from the svidomy. He didn't anticipate these anti-Russian attitudes being deep among Ukrainians. Even in the parts of Ukraine that Russia conquered, Russia could find very few non-marginal politicians who would actually be willing to collaborate with it, for instance:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/07/world/europe/russia-putin-ukraine-politicians.html

    BTW, I'm just curious: Which Tweet of mine specifically caused you to block me on Twitter? I mean, it's your right; I'm not going to tell you what to do. I'm just curious.

    FWIW, my comment about maximizing Russian suffering was not said from a sadistic point of view but rather from the point of view that the more casualties Russia will endure this time around, the less likely that Russia is going to aim for a second round in Ukraine sometime later on. It is this calculation that I was thinking of here. Similar to how if Germany would have continued WWI into 1919 instead of calling it quits relatively early, the sheer devastation to Germany might have discouraged Germany from trying for a second round later on. (Indeed, Germany suffered much more in WWII relative to WWI and also became much more docile and peaceful afterwards.) But the main value of having Ukraine fight on would be to get better peace terms, similar to how various countries in WWI chose to fight on rather than getting worse peace terms, even though by fighting on they increased the amount of suffering that they and their allies endured, including involuntary suffering.

    Also, as a side note, what do you expect the Ukrainian TFR to be after the end of the war? I think that it's a wild card and could be anything from 1.5 to 2.5. Ukrainian TFR during the war was extraordinarily low, so some kind of baby boom is guaranteed if Ukraine won't lose too much of their men, but I think that the scale of it will depend on the magnitude and length of Ukraine's post-war economic boom as well as on just how much this war and the rise of Ukrainian nationalism will increase pro-natalist attitudes among Ukrainians. Zelensky said that he wants Ukraine to become a big Israel. Hopefully that can apply to its fertility rate as well! FWIW, huge parts of western Ukraine had TFRs as high as 2.0-2.3 back in 1990, right before the Soviet collapse, and nowadays I suspect that all of Ukraine is as nationalistic as western Ukraine was back then (at least in terms of surface-level political views). So, Yeah, I don't think that post-war Ukrainian TFR would ever go above 2.5, but there's a huge amount of variation between 1.5 and 2.5.

  849. @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Lincoln is denying it’s a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent.
     
    Exactly. And Britain/France have already figured out that Lincoln's threats of unprecedented consequences if they cross unclear red lines are a bluff so keep crossing them one after the other.

    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?

    My view (covered several times on Twitter) is that the kremlins blew their nuclear credibility through extreme overuse. Personally I think they’ll capitulate in this scenario and try to resolve the political fallout with truncheons in Moscow. (However, I don’t expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective). Still, assuming this as a given would still be deeply reckless of Western leaders, given the stakes involved.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, there's a decent-to-strong case that the West should aim to have (a post-Putin) Russia return Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine through negotiations rather than through conquest. (Ukraine can give them South Tyrol-style autonomy afterwards, but no veto power over Ukrainian national policies.) But I'm unsure that Ukraine would actually listen, and the West might be unwilling to restrain Ukraine in regards to this.

    If I was a Ukrainian, I might very well be willing to trade free and fair plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass of all of their 2013 inhabitants (who are now adults) only (so, people who left still get to vote; people who came in in 2014 or later don't get to vote) in exchange for Russian acquiescence to Ukrainian NATO membership. But such a deal would have been better proposed and made before the start of this war and all of its resulting suffering. Now Ukrainians are much angrier towards Russia and thus probably much less likely to accept such a deal short of extreme desperation, in which case Russia might not even offer them such a deal.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    However, I don’t expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective
     
    I think along the same lines, so the question would be whether we are in 1915 yet or in 1916 already?

    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power?

    Along regional, ethnic or political lines ?

    Replies: @Sean

  850. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    I don't mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don't learn much.

    I am not anti-war (I believe in self-defense) but I am really, really anti-World War.

    I think there was clearly some disagreement in the Russian military leadership at the beginning of the SMO. In my view that implies behind the scenes fighting amongst factions and fifth columns inside Russia, but I don't expect to ever hear the real explanation.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture. As JJ likes to point out Russia has many negative internal trends to fight in this larger civilizational war, so who knows how it will turn out?

    Replies: @A123

    I don’t mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don’t learn much.

    I am the only one suggesting that Europe is deliberately prolonging the mess. It fits the necessary characteristics of driving the Muslim Great Replacement of Judeo-Christians.

    So… I am Mr. Different Perspective.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture

    Russia cannot afford to destroy and rebuild all of Ukraine. And, they do not want a failed state on their border. That implies that regime change is a Russia goal. Bringing it into the Russian bloc is probably too far. A better neutral that will keep European military adventurism out is a more practical end state.

    There is no sign that Russia cares if Ukraine joins the economic EU. As long as it does not become part of a European military alliance, like NATO. Letting Europe pay for Ukraine would be tolerable. Whether Europe will allow Ukraine to join the EU is a different question.
    ____

    NATO is too large and makes very little sense at this point. It should have died with the Warsaw Pact dissolution. However, that is an entirely different topic.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Well Mr. Different Perspective, I still think of you as Hydrate Slug.

    My 20% option, the "I don't have any idea what is truly going on", includes notions from left field such as Europe is intentionally prolonging the war to increase migration. I didn't think of that one, but it is no crazier than some recent things which turned out to be true. In 2023 this stuff cannot be ruled out!

    Some people view the killing off of male Slavs in a similar vein as the main result of the war and maybe the specific goal. Since I see Russia's defensive perspective on Ukraine as existential, the loss of the Slavs is just the number one negative outcome, but probably unavoidable in their view.

    On the other hand, from a Karlin-esque view, all Russia needs to do is promote Orthodox polygamy and big Christian families. In that case the loss of males is inconsequential and probably accidentally Eugenic. Can I call it a Big Brain Take?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

  851. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @QCIC


    I don’t mind having a wildly different perspective from most people. If everyone repeats the same dumbed-down story based on highly unreliable information we don’t learn much.
     
    I am the only one suggesting that Europe is deliberately prolonging the mess. It fits the necessary characteristics of driving the Muslim Great Replacement of Judeo-Christians.

    So... I am Mr. Different Perspective.

    I think Russia is also protecting her flanks and has intentionally constrained how the Generals run the SMO. The gradual call ups, use of old munitions, lack of use of some newer equipment are part of this.

    At the end of the day, I still think they plan to return most of Ukraine permanently to the Russophile/Russophone orbit as part of preserving their own civilization and culture
     
    Russia cannot afford to destroy and rebuild all of Ukraine. And, they do not want a failed state on their border. That implies that regime change is a Russia goal. Bringing it into the Russian bloc is probably too far. A better neutral that will keep European military adventurism out is a more practical end state.

    There is no sign that Russia cares if Ukraine joins the economic EU. As long as it does not become part of a European military alliance, like NATO. Letting Europe pay for Ukraine would be tolerable. Whether Europe will allow Ukraine to join the EU is a different question.
    ____

    NATO is too large and makes very little sense at this point. It should have died with the Warsaw Pact dissolution. However, that is an entirely different topic.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Well Mr. Different Perspective, I still think of you as Hydrate Slug.

    My 20% option, the “I don’t have any idea what is truly going on”, includes notions from left field such as Europe is intentionally prolonging the war to increase migration. I didn’t think of that one, but it is no crazier than some recent things which turned out to be true. In 2023 this stuff cannot be ruled out!

    Some people view the killing off of male Slavs in a similar vein as the main result of the war and maybe the specific goal. Since I see Russia’s defensive perspective on Ukraine as existential, the loss of the Slavs is just the number one negative outcome, but probably unavoidable in their view.

    On the other hand, from a Karlin-esque view, all Russia needs to do is promote Orthodox polygamy and big Christian families. In that case the loss of males is inconsequential and probably accidentally Eugenic. Can I call it a Big Brain Take?

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    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Go HYDRATE SLUGS Go!

    PEACE 😇

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    , @QCIC
    @QCIC

    Apologies to all,

    I should have written "...might be civilizationally inconsequential..." RIP.

  852. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Not really. Is an adult conversation I have been trying to have here for a year. I edited out the words "and some of their implications" [of the stated goals] from the sentence you are referring to, which makes it even more of an adult conversation.

    I can't tell if you are sincere or a troll so I don't know if it is worth the effort.

    Which is it?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Sincere. So what are the goals in your opinion?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Mercury, it took me 2600 words to create what I think is a credible minimum explanation. The following is a much shorter "Russia's goals in Ukraine or Why she is fighting the SMO?" for your consideration.

    +++

    Summary:

    I think Russia's publicly stated goals for the SMO merely represent relevant details of a much more serious crisis which make for a straightforward public story. Russia is fighting the West defensively in Ukraine as the opening round in WW3. It is up to the West to either back off or go all in.

    Some Highly Simplified Background

    The West has pressured Russia since the end of the Cold War economically, culturally and at times militarily. The pressures include active measures as well as threats. The "West" in this case is mostly the USA with the rest of NATO as a helper or proxy. A crucial part of this pressure includes the USA dropping the ABM treaty which explicitly relates to nuclear warfare and therefore is a threat directly related to Russia's existential survival.

    NATO is a military alliance specifically intended to fight and destroy Russia. Moving the boundaries closer to Russia constitutes pressure. Moving the boundaries directly against Russia is a threat. Nonetheless, the boundaries with the Baltic countries and Finland are less important than a hypothetical NATO membership for Ukraine.

    The Western coup in Ukraine was a direct threat to Russia as Russian speakers in the Eastern part of the country were attacked and were expected to be driven out or genocided.

    Russian Publicly Stated Goals (that I recall)

    Protect citizens of Donbass, Lugansk and Crimea
    Remove the threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to both the Eastern regions of Ukraine and Russia
    Destroy NeoNazis which are an important part of the coup process in Ukraine
    Destroy all NATO military capabilities within Ukraine
    Prevent future NATO ascension of Ukraine

    Other Russian Concerns Mentioned with Regard to Ukraine

    US-funded Bioweapons labs in Ukraine
    Ukraine's publicly stated goal of acquiring nuclear weapons
    Likely Western destruction of Nordstream
    Likely Ukrainian shootdown of airliner
    Likely Ukrainian publicly championed torture of Russians
    Ukrainian threats against Crimea

    Some of these last items might be viewed as tit-for-tat actions in a war. On the other hand, I believe Russia sees this essentially as a proxy war of the West versus Russia, with Ukraine as the proxy. In that scenario the West is held accountable for all of Ukraine's actions in the war.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Triteleia Laxa

  853. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The tragedy for Russia will be the loss of half a million to a million Slavic sons on both sides of the imaginary line. I doubt they will ever forgive the West.
     
    Are you arguing that the West and not Russia will be held responsible for the war deaths by Ukrainians?

    That seems extremely unlikely. I don't even read any serious Russian sources trying to hold the West responsible for Russian war deaths.

    You also seem to be implying that success for Russia in this war is achieved by merely surviving. That is interesting and leads me to conclude that by your measure Russian success is 95% certain.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Keeping Sevastopol is pretty much the game.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that Russian victory is achieved by Russia keeping control of Sebastopol?

    Do you think Putin will be able to sell this to the Russian people after perhaps 2 or 3 years of fighting and so much death and destruction if this is all of internationally recognised Ukraine that he keeps control of? It is certainly a spot with historical significance.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

  854. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think you are the over reading what was actually written. Trying to state that things are going exactly as planned when Russia has not announced its plans is rather problematic. The phrase that you are trying to insert "the plan is working and is good" has connotations that really are not present.

    You would be better served by sticking with something that more closely resembles what QCIC actually wrote. Russia has the stronger hand, and should be able to use that to win baring an unexpected intervention. It is a much more general assertion about the balance of power and does not dwell on unannounced and unknowable Kremlin plans.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Triteleia Laxa

    Many reasonable people doubt that Russia has the ability to threaten Kherson again. In this context, I am trying to discover what anyone sympathetic to Russia considers to be a workable theory of victory for them.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    IMHO, the current line is about 90% workable.

    The full Crimea "land bridge" makes up for not capturing 100% of the two original Oblasts. While soft on territory, ending sanctions and resuming full price hydrocarbon exports would give Putin significant room to maneuver.

    The Dniper river is a solid, unambiguous border in the south. The city of Zaporizhzhia and the nuclear plant of the same name are difficult points. Kherson is likely to be largely abandoned. Both sides have left mines & booby traps. Would you go in to clear that hazard? I wouldn't!

    In the north Lyman is wrecked, so is Bakhmut. Ukraine is huge. A wide DMZ is easily conceivable. There will be a limited number of people in it. Elderly who refuse to leave family plots and graves. Small numbers of workers heavily tied to the land.

    If the Kiev regime would agree to a armistice (not cover to rearm), there are real opportunities to end this. Alas, Macron & Scholz keep the fighting going via their puppet Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  855. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    probably thousands of lives were saved by the Western provided air defense. .../... Apparently everything was intercepted 100%.
     
    Apparently, the interception rate was over 100% again. More missiles intercepted than launched. But at least 2 clear impacts were filmed and geolocated to the Sikorsky airport. No idea where the thousands of saved lives theory comes from. I don't think any Russian missile attack has ever produced that amount of casualties. This one seems to have actually been an attack to suppress the Patriot systems and there's a video showing that indeed something exploded on the ground at the very place where the AA missiles were being launched from. Western sources are acknowledging that some damage to the Patriots occurred.

    The idea that the Patriots in Ukraine are going to be more effective than in Gaza or Yemen is quite unsound. Fortunately, given the implications pointed out by G_R. But some idiots like Fabian Hoffmann (Doctoral Research Fellow. Defense policy, missile technology, and nuclear strategy) or the usually more level-headed Justin Bronk look convinced that we have the means to stop any salvo of Russian missiles, including the hypersonic ones. These are some of the experts guiding our policymakers.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    Has anyone seen any confirmation of Colonel Macgregor’s report of a successful Russian missile attack on Moldovan bridges to limit access of Western troops to Odessa? This was mentioned in an interview linked by Ron.

    The Colonel reported on this several days ago. It should have been confirmed by now or I believe he would have retracted it. Unless he accidentally disclosed sensitive information which may be suppressed a bit more throughly.

  856. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Keeping Sevastopol is pretty much the game.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You believe that Russian victory is achieved by Russia keeping control of Sebastopol?

    Do you think Putin will be able to sell this to the Russian people after perhaps 2 or 3 years of fighting and so much death and destruction if this is all of internationally recognised Ukraine that he keeps control of? It is certainly a spot with historical significance.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    When the Royal Navy did that provocative demonstration with HMS Defender back in 2021 it was quite clear that the British were planning to build their own base there under Ukie authority.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57583363.amp

    Intention of the voyage was clear.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Better to just withdraw from there as well and rename Anapa new Sevastopol and the Kuban new Crimea lol.

  857. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    You're 100% sicko for posting this profanity here on this website. All I can say is that you're lucky that most of the readers here are not like Moslems that don't tolerate such rude insults towards their Prophet, or else you'd be personally slated for "rehabilitation" of a permanent nature. :-(

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s an old joke. Probably of Slavic origin. Jesus comes out of the joke innocent if a little bit naive. What’s your problem?

    You are probably not a Christian. Spare me your accusation of blasphemy Jewboy.

  858. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that Russian victory is achieved by Russia keeping control of Sebastopol?

    Do you think Putin will be able to sell this to the Russian people after perhaps 2 or 3 years of fighting and so much death and destruction if this is all of internationally recognised Ukraine that he keeps control of? It is certainly a spot with historical significance.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    When the Royal Navy did that provocative demonstration with HMS Defender back in 2021 it was quite clear that the British were planning to build their own base there under Ukie authority.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57583363.amp

    Intention of the voyage was clear.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that Britain had plans to build a base in Crimea in 2021?

  859. QCIC says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel

    Where do you get your info from?

    Well, let's wait for more details. It was a very large attack, those in Kyiv say it was louder than usual. There may have been some other systems there besides Patriot, because it is Kyiv, so the Ukes must have some kind of systems of their own as well.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This seems important and will be interesting if we get more facts.

    It may be the air defenses around Kiev are solid. On the other hand, I can think of at least a couple of reasons Russia would launch an apparently low-casualty strike on Kiev, beyond whatever sites were targeted.

    First is to identify exactly what high performance air defense capabilities are present and where.

    Second is to give a final warning to civilians demonstrating what may happen soon.

    The warning is for imminent bombing, not missile attacks. Kiev is fairly close to the border with Belarus, so once the SAMS are destroyed it seems vulnerable to bombers. It is probably still heavily defended to the North so these missions might entail aircraft losses. The Russians might accept some losses if they think the time is right for an old school coup de grace. It seems too early to me, but we don’t have much detail on what has really happened in the past month.

  860. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Seems like all these supposed nationalist parties in Europe (at least mainstream) suppress their youth wings.
     
    Don't really get the reference, what are you thinking of?
    AfD's youth section was recently declared anti-constitutional by Germany's inland security service (on the grounds that they think there's such a thing as ethnic Germans, that alone is now sufficient, considerable escalation by the establishment). But so far the main party hasn't cucked and disavowed them (only a question of time anyway until the entire party will be declared proven extremists).

    but I find it quite amazing how woke Turkey already is
     
    Apart from the Kurdish areas, many parts of Turkey already have very bad demographics. Future doesn't look good for ethnic Turks either (all the more so given all those foreigners Erdogan has invited).
    Turks in Germany who voted in the elections were about two thirds in favour of Erdogan though...after the Greens explicitly told not them not to, lol.

    Replies: @songbird

    Could be misremembering, or maybe my impression isn’t accurate. Thought there was a story about the FPÖ a few years back – notable because Kurz was in the youth wing, at one time. I think Mark Collett was in the youth wing of the BNP (though I guess that is not really a major party) when he was driven out.

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    I just get the impression that the leadership of parties tends to be old and careerist, and they are constantly trying to crackdown on the youth wings to control optics. Though, I guess All-Polish Youth isn’t closely afiliated with any party.

    Future doesn’t look good for ethnic Turks either

    Shocking that TFR in Ankara and Constantinople is now <1.3. It is kind of amazing to me how old the guy they set up against Erdogan is (74!) – but, maybe, that's just the result of him being some consensus placeholder to remove Erdogan.

    Turks in Germany who voted in the elections were about two thirds in favour of Erdogan

    I still remember that amusing statue of him that mysteriously appeared.

  861. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Many reasonable people doubt that Russia has the ability to threaten Kherson again. In this context, I am trying to discover what anyone sympathetic to Russia considers to be a workable theory of victory for them.

    Replies: @A123

    IMHO, the current line is about 90% workable.

    The full Crimea “land bridge” makes up for not capturing 100% of the two original Oblasts. While soft on territory, ending sanctions and resuming full price hydrocarbon exports would give Putin significant room to maneuver.

    The Dniper river is a solid, unambiguous border in the south. The city of Zaporizhzhia and the nuclear plant of the same name are difficult points. Kherson is likely to be largely abandoned. Both sides have left mines & booby traps. Would you go in to clear that hazard? I wouldn’t!

    In the north Lyman is wrecked, so is Bakhmut. Ukraine is huge. A wide DMZ is easily conceivable. There will be a limited number of people in it. Elderly who refuse to leave family plots and graves. Small numbers of workers heavily tied to the land.

    If the Kiev regime would agree to a armistice (not cover to rearm), there are real opportunities to end this. Alas, Macron & Scholz keep the fighting going via their puppet Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    As far as I can research, it seems that the populace of the country that most supports Ukraine continuing to fight is Ukraine's.

    Replies: @A123

  862. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    Well Mr. Different Perspective, I still think of you as Hydrate Slug.

    My 20% option, the "I don't have any idea what is truly going on", includes notions from left field such as Europe is intentionally prolonging the war to increase migration. I didn't think of that one, but it is no crazier than some recent things which turned out to be true. In 2023 this stuff cannot be ruled out!

    Some people view the killing off of male Slavs in a similar vein as the main result of the war and maybe the specific goal. Since I see Russia's defensive perspective on Ukraine as existential, the loss of the Slavs is just the number one negative outcome, but probably unavoidable in their view.

    On the other hand, from a Karlin-esque view, all Russia needs to do is promote Orthodox polygamy and big Christian families. In that case the loss of males is inconsequential and probably accidentally Eugenic. Can I call it a Big Brain Take?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    Go HYDRATE SLUGS Go!

    PEACE 😇

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  863. @QCIC
    @A123

    Well Mr. Different Perspective, I still think of you as Hydrate Slug.

    My 20% option, the "I don't have any idea what is truly going on", includes notions from left field such as Europe is intentionally prolonging the war to increase migration. I didn't think of that one, but it is no crazier than some recent things which turned out to be true. In 2023 this stuff cannot be ruled out!

    Some people view the killing off of male Slavs in a similar vein as the main result of the war and maybe the specific goal. Since I see Russia's defensive perspective on Ukraine as existential, the loss of the Slavs is just the number one negative outcome, but probably unavoidable in their view.

    On the other hand, from a Karlin-esque view, all Russia needs to do is promote Orthodox polygamy and big Christian families. In that case the loss of males is inconsequential and probably accidentally Eugenic. Can I call it a Big Brain Take?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    Apologies to all,

    I should have written “…might be civilizationally inconsequential…” RIP.

  864. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    When the Royal Navy did that provocative demonstration with HMS Defender back in 2021 it was quite clear that the British were planning to build their own base there under Ukie authority.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57583363.amp

    Intention of the voyage was clear.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You believe that Britain had plans to build a base in Crimea in 2021?

  865. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    IMHO, the current line is about 90% workable.

    The full Crimea "land bridge" makes up for not capturing 100% of the two original Oblasts. While soft on territory, ending sanctions and resuming full price hydrocarbon exports would give Putin significant room to maneuver.

    The Dniper river is a solid, unambiguous border in the south. The city of Zaporizhzhia and the nuclear plant of the same name are difficult points. Kherson is likely to be largely abandoned. Both sides have left mines & booby traps. Would you go in to clear that hazard? I wouldn't!

    In the north Lyman is wrecked, so is Bakhmut. Ukraine is huge. A wide DMZ is easily conceivable. There will be a limited number of people in it. Elderly who refuse to leave family plots and graves. Small numbers of workers heavily tied to the land.

    If the Kiev regime would agree to a armistice (not cover to rearm), there are real opportunities to end this. Alas, Macron & Scholz keep the fighting going via their puppet Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    As far as I can research, it seems that the populace of the country that most supports Ukraine continuing to fight is Ukraine’s.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    As far as I can research, it seems that the populace of the country that most supports Ukraine continuing to fight is Ukraine’s.
     
    Today that may be true.

    What will they think when the funds to pay for their aggression shrink by 50%+? Fighting is much less attractive when your side is under supplied.

    This does tangent to another important point. If Russia took all of Ukraine, they would have an insurgent problem for many years. Taking only the parts that are most Russian greatly limits this risk.

    PEACE 😇
  866. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn't come off as a senile grandpa at the time (granted it now appears they played an "activist" role in the affair).

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ

    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn’t come off as a senile grandpa at the time

    Zelensky looked very fresh faced in 2019, one wonders what he was indulging over the next two years to get that raddled look. Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative Ukrainian energy sector job. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin’s troll farm, and Trump been soft on Russia over Ukraine and denied Zelensky arms was the grounds for Trump’s first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was “a killer”, and Biden said Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    Nevertheless, none of that seems to have been key, what apparently was– judging by the way the Russian army build up for the invasion began a matter of days afterward—is Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk (they went on holidays together and Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk’s daughter) being arrested on Zelensky’s orders. So my impression is almost instantly after Zelensky had Medvedchuk detained, Putin’s intentions changed from using repeated ostensible preparatory build ups for an invasion as a pressure tactic. to reactivating the feigned preparations as the basis for a real assault on Kiev and regime change. That would explain why the preparations lacked thoroughness and the force was far from massive in relation to what it was supposed to accomplish.

    The real target of Zelensky’s anti oligarch campaign was Poroshenko who was regaining popularity, and the charges against Medvedchuk and Proshenk were both “treason”; so intended to tar Poroshenko with being just another pro Russian billionaire. Zelensky told the US to stop talking about an invasion mere weeks before it happened, which surely indicated that he was preoccupied with securing his domestic political position, did not understand the the Godfather, and thought he was simply sabre rattling again.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    FWIW, I'm unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn't very high to begin with.

    Was the prosecution against him politically motivated or were the charges against him legitimate?

    Replies: @Sean

  867. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    As far as I can research, it seems that the populace of the country that most supports Ukraine continuing to fight is Ukraine's.

    Replies: @A123

    As far as I can research, it seems that the populace of the country that most supports Ukraine continuing to fight is Ukraine’s.

    Today that may be true.

    What will they think when the funds to pay for their aggression shrink by 50%+? Fighting is much less attractive when your side is under supplied.

    This does tangent to another important point. If Russia took all of Ukraine, they would have an insurgent problem for many years. Taking only the parts that are most Russian greatly limits this risk.

    PEACE 😇

  868. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that

    Indeed.

    Welcome back Tolik !

    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.

    Anyway, keep safe if you are still in RusFed. Times gonna be hard there in the next couple of years or so. And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?

    Any thoughts about it ?

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.
     
    It's a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.
     
    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that's unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there's some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?
     
    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the "international community" and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1571825787736657927

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  869. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn't come off as a senile grandpa at the time (granted it now appears they played an "activist" role in the affair).

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, TBH, I (quite rightly) suspected that Putin might have had a rosier view of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia than they actually had. In other words, Putin might have believed that Ukrainian hostility towards Russia was only surface-level, ready to evaporate as soon as the Russian troops will come in to liberate Ukrainians from the svidomy. He didn’t anticipate these anti-Russian attitudes being deep among Ukrainians. Even in the parts of Ukraine that Russia conquered, Russia could find very few non-marginal politicians who would actually be willing to collaborate with it, for instance:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/07/world/europe/russia-putin-ukraine-politicians.html

    BTW, I’m just curious: Which Tweet of mine specifically caused you to block me on Twitter? I mean, it’s your right; I’m not going to tell you what to do. I’m just curious.

    FWIW, my comment about maximizing Russian suffering was not said from a sadistic point of view but rather from the point of view that the more casualties Russia will endure this time around, the less likely that Russia is going to aim for a second round in Ukraine sometime later on. It is this calculation that I was thinking of here. Similar to how if Germany would have continued WWI into 1919 instead of calling it quits relatively early, the sheer devastation to Germany might have discouraged Germany from trying for a second round later on. (Indeed, Germany suffered much more in WWII relative to WWI and also became much more docile and peaceful afterwards.) But the main value of having Ukraine fight on would be to get better peace terms, similar to how various countries in WWI chose to fight on rather than getting worse peace terms, even though by fighting on they increased the amount of suffering that they and their allies endured, including involuntary suffering.

    Also, as a side note, what do you expect the Ukrainian TFR to be after the end of the war? I think that it’s a wild card and could be anything from 1.5 to 2.5. Ukrainian TFR during the war was extraordinarily low, so some kind of baby boom is guaranteed if Ukraine won’t lose too much of their men, but I think that the scale of it will depend on the magnitude and length of Ukraine’s post-war economic boom as well as on just how much this war and the rise of Ukrainian nationalism will increase pro-natalist attitudes among Ukrainians. Zelensky said that he wants Ukraine to become a big Israel. Hopefully that can apply to its fertility rate as well! FWIW, huge parts of western Ukraine had TFRs as high as 2.0-2.3 back in 1990, right before the Soviet collapse, and nowadays I suspect that all of Ukraine is as nationalistic as western Ukraine was back then (at least in terms of surface-level political views). So, Yeah, I don’t think that post-war Ukrainian TFR would ever go above 2.5, but there’s a huge amount of variation between 1.5 and 2.5.

  870. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that Russian victory is achieved by Russia keeping control of Sebastopol?

    Do you think Putin will be able to sell this to the Russian people after perhaps 2 or 3 years of fighting and so much death and destruction if this is all of internationally recognised Ukraine that he keeps control of? It is certainly a spot with historical significance.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Better to just withdraw from there as well and rename Anapa new Sevastopol and the Kuban new Crimea lol.

  871. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1613274364459335680

    Replies: @German_reader, @AP

    This was a small sample of 150 IT specialists who are readers of dev.ua.

  872. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mikel


    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?
     
    My view (covered several times on Twitter) is that the kremlins blew their nuclear credibility through extreme overuse. Personally I think they'll capitulate in this scenario and try to resolve the political fallout with truncheons in Moscow. (However, I don't expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective). Still, assuming this as a given would still be deeply reckless of Western leaders, given the stakes involved.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, there’s a decent-to-strong case that the West should aim to have (a post-Putin) Russia return Crimea and Donbass to Ukraine through negotiations rather than through conquest. (Ukraine can give them South Tyrol-style autonomy afterwards, but no veto power over Ukrainian national policies.) But I’m unsure that Ukraine would actually listen, and the West might be unwilling to restrain Ukraine in regards to this.

    If I was a Ukrainian, I might very well be willing to trade free and fair plebiscites in Crimea and Donbass of all of their 2013 inhabitants (who are now adults) only (so, people who left still get to vote; people who came in in 2014 or later don’t get to vote) in exchange for Russian acquiescence to Ukrainian NATO membership. But such a deal would have been better proposed and made before the start of this war and all of its resulting suffering. Now Ukrainians are much angrier towards Russia and thus probably much less likely to accept such a deal short of extreme desperation, in which case Russia might not even offer them such a deal.

  873. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mikel


    So what does a realist Muscovite like you think is going to happen if the ever stronger Ukrainians make Russia retreat once again and threaten LDNR and Crimea (even mainland Russia perhaps)? Coup? Nukes? Capitulation?
     
    My view (covered several times on Twitter) is that the kremlins blew their nuclear credibility through extreme overuse. Personally I think they'll capitulate in this scenario and try to resolve the political fallout with truncheons in Moscow. (However, I don't expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective). Still, assuming this as a given would still be deeply reckless of Western leaders, given the stakes involved.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool

    However, I don’t expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective

    I think along the same lines, so the question would be whether we are in 1915 yet or in 1916 already?

    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power?

    Along regional, ethnic or political lines ?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ivashka the fool


    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power
     
    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union and the USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party's hold on power. I do not see any parallel with the current situation , but were there to be chaos, Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state. So there would be no new centres geographically.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  874. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Your comparisons are quite apt though I would make some further alterations. All early 20C and earlier comparisons are irrelevant IMO, the level of nationalism is an OOM (not an exaggeration) lower across the board. The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization, obviously even less so Russia, which struggles to raise 10ks of volunteers out of a population of 150M. Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly, meanwhile Lincoln is denying it's a war, refusing to assume personal responsibility for it, delegates it to a bunch of warlords, promotes failed generals upwards, and refuses to mobilize industry to any significant extent. De Gobineau runs a marginal forum in which weird losers debate which side is less white and more Jewish.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization

    This was from a poll of 150 IT specialists who are readers of the website. Only 15% of those 150 people received summons.

    So the draft avoidance percentage is based on 23 people who got summoned!

    From the comments, one of the ones who didn’t go complained of irregularities (he was given the summons at a market, he was involved in humanitarian projects).

    Not sure what percentage of the general population are actually avoiding the draft, but doing so is a source of shame:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/world/asia/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html

    So I doubt that it’s a majority. I recall it was around 30%, but haven’t found concrete numbers now. At any rate, Ukraine so far hasn’t had trouble filling its ranks:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-into-war-ukraine-faces-challenges-mobilizing-troops-64dcdc49

    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.

    Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly

    Sure, but it’s still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.
     
    IIRC, in the ACW, one could hire a substitute to be drafted in one's place until 1864 or so. There were apparently plenty of willing volunteers for this, such as among recent immigrants to the US.

    Sure, but it’s still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.
     
    Had the Confederacy held on until 1868, the Union would have likely been compelled to make peace unless it was already on the verge of total victory by that point in time. I also wonder how 1866 would have gone had the Confederates still been fighting and Lincoln not been assassinated yet.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    It's not a big poll, but it's not like one can easily poll on this question. IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment; conversely, I allow that IT specialists are likely to be less svidomy (or at least to the extent of being willing to fight for it) than social sciences and humanities graduates, such as graduates of the KSE, for instance.

    Anyhow I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years in the context of being willing to progressively raise coercion (as it has indeed been doing so) and steadily improving loss ratios vis-a-vis Russia (also happening).

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  875. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Ok, thanks. If accurate, even less reason to care about this gay farce of a war (apart from the potential nuclear factor).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The article says it is based on a poll in which 150 IT specialists responded. Of them, only 15% got a summons.

    So the sample of only 23 people, who are IT specialists.

    I wouldn’t draw conclusions about the general draft avoidance rate from this.

    Here’s the article:

    https://dev.ua/news/de-aitishnykam-vruchaly-povistky-10-mini-istorii-vid-chytachiv-devua-1655811982

  876. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You believe that the CIA are controlling the only part of the Russian military that had success during what was supposed to be their war winning Winter offensive?

    Do you also believe that the Russian Federation is a globalist/CIA/MI6 project?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Wokechoke

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command’s nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin’s survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He’s the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian “Strelkov” in all western coverage.

    It’s very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It’s quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin’s career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn’t mean it’ll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Wokechoke

    I think you might be overthinking motives here. Western press prefers to focus on Prigozhin over Strelkov for pumping out negative Russia coverage simply because of Prigozhin's repulsive appearance and behaviour (little doubt Shoigu is worse, but he doesn't make a spectacle of himself).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    Sounds like everyone is to blame for Prigozhin's notoriety except those who run the Russian state that sent him to Ukraine in the first place. Your bad arguments are giving us JQers a bad name!

    Mr. XYZ:


    Well, TBH, I (quite rightly) suspected that Putin might have had a rosier view of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia than they actually had. In other words, Putin might have believed that Ukrainian hostility towards Russia was only surface-level
     
    Maybe it's true that Putin never uses the internet. If he did instead of relying entirely on his subordinates he might've discovered forums like this and modified his views.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    It seems that you think an international conspiracy of Jews has made Prigozhin famous for their own ends instead of Igor Girkin. Did they appoint him head of the only part of Russia's force that has advanced in months, while demoting Girkin to marginalised Russian-language podcaster?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @S
    @Wokechoke


    It’s quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin’s career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn’t mean it’ll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.
     
    According to Guido Preparata in his book Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich, the US/UK wanted the most militant manifestation of German nationalism (specifically in the form of Hitler's National Socialism) in power in Germany so as to ensure that (1) the most damaging to Russia (and continental Europe as a whole) world war would take place, and (2) when Germany was defeated that the crushing of German identity and peoplehood would be as thorough and complete as possible.

    https://archive.org/details/conjuringhitlerh0000prep/page/n5/mode/1up

    Anthony Sutton's financial forensic work in regards to the US/UK, Germany, and WWII also supports this hypothesis.

    None of this would preclude Stalin from attempting to use Hitler's National Socialist Germany as a deadly pawn with which to bludgeon the US/UK and the West with, which I think he indeed tried to do, but I think his efforts were something of a weak echo in comparison to the US/UK's doings in this area.

    So it's not at all impossible that Prigozhin is indeed being groomed by the US/UK to be a 'literal' Hitler 2.0, so as to conclude the work of identity/peoplehood destruction in regards to Russia, Germany, continental Europe, and the rest of the world, that WWI and WWII had set in motion, and to clear the way for the establishment of the global super-state, the United States of the World.

    Putin (aka 'Grandpa') is not up to the task.

    And besides that, Prigozhin has just the right dastardly looks for this important historic role.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5RtgNf20D0Y/UOx_KeYP4II/AAAAAAAABlE/ky7fwPLUhQA/s280/2%2BLex.jpg

    Replies: @S

  877. Today is a big Day of Remembrance for the Jews – Iyar 26 – the Day of Salvation and Liberation. May 9, 1945 fell on Iyar 26, 5705 according to the Jewish calendar. Therefore, this date was chosen as the Day of Salvation and Liberation.

    Today, Iyar 26 falls on May 16. Commemorative events and services are held in synagogues around the world on this day. In the synagogues of Moscow – too.

    By the way, this holiday was initiated by Russian Jews – the Russian Jewish Congress in 2013. In 2014, it appeared in Israel, in 2015, after the Conference of European Rabbis, in Europe.

    The President of the Conference of Rabbis of Europe, Chief Rabbi of Moscow, Pinchas Goldschmidt said in 2013 that this day should be celebrated like the Passover holiday – as a holiday of liberation from slavery.

    And who led the Jews in 1945 from slavery to freedom, from enslavement to liberation, from mourning into a holiday – the Soviet people, the Red Army.

    If the Red Army had defeated Germany and its last allies even six months later, then there would simply be no Jews left in Europe. Why, half a year – then the count went to days – a week maximum. In Hungary, after 10 days, if the USSR had not defeated it, all the Jews would have been killed.

    The greatest victims in the Holocaust were in Belarus – 99% of all Jews who fell under Nazi occupation died there. For example, 25 thousand Jews lived in Brest before the war, and 19 people survived until the liberation. And in Estonia – already in February 1942, Hitler was informed that Estonia had become “judenfrei”, the first country in Europe “free of Jews.”

    If you have the opportunity, go to the synagogue today. Or just remember the victims of the Holocaust, and in general – all the victims of Nazism.

    From the Tg channel of Pavel Priannikov.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Perhaps maybes, 2000s or 2010s, was the time when the money of Russian Jewish elites was enough to have some effects among elites even it looks like they have influence with religious authorities in Israel. .

    After 2022, Russian Jewish elites are perhaps, viewed as losers again including by the world's elites.

    At least, Kudrin is still part of the systemic liberals and nobody seems to have cared he was living in Israel last year.

    But Chubais maybe loses even the protection of the "systemic" part of the "systemic liberalism".

    There is people taking photos of Chubais, who supposedly has to wait like a normal immigrant, in the immigration office in a small village in Northern Israel.
    https://strana.today/news/434206-chubajs-vmeste-s-zhenoj-podal-zapros-v-mvd-izrailja-chtoby-poluchit-dokumenty.html

    https://strana.today/img/forall/u/11/55/5(67).jpg

    https://strana.today/img/forall/u/11/55/4(124).jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  878. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command's nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin's survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He's the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian "Strelkov" in all western coverage.

    It's very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It's quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin's career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn't mean it'll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Matra, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    I think you might be overthinking motives here. Western press prefers to focus on Prigozhin over Strelkov for pumping out negative Russia coverage simply because of Prigozhin’s repulsive appearance and behaviour (little doubt Shoigu is worse, but he doesn’t make a spectacle of himself).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    I’m not overthinking the Dastardlyness of the western press.

  879. This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    A lively debate about the war is going on, which affects the actual war about as much as it does the Earth orbit around the Sun.

    A lively debate about trans individuals and other lunatics was going on, which affected everyone exactly as much: woke crazies remain mad, normal people remain normal.

    A lively debate about religion(s) waxes and wanes, affecting religions exactly as much: not at all.

    Other lively debates come and go, while the real life goes by, paying zero attention to them.

    The whole thing is best described by a saying “a dog is barking, while the caravan keeps moving.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    What you say is true... And always has been so.

    Would you prefer auto racing?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVGYw5XsSg

    PEACE 😇

    , @Yahya
    @AnonfromTN


    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.
     
    It’s good conversation.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Listen grandpa.

    Karlin is back in Karlinstan and not one person had to accuse him of letting Ukrainian trannies suck on his weener. The glass is not half full. The glass is 85% full. If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.

    TL/DR: it is not dogs. It's cats.

    https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/675/https://media.salon.com/2022/05/cats-party-0516221.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Rough day, huh?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  880. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command's nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin's survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He's the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian "Strelkov" in all western coverage.

    It's very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It's quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin's career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn't mean it'll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Matra, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    Sounds like everyone is to blame for Prigozhin’s notoriety except those who run the Russian state that sent him to Ukraine in the first place. Your bad arguments are giving us JQers a bad name!

    Mr. XYZ:

    Well, TBH, I (quite rightly) suspected that Putin might have had a rosier view of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia than they actually had. In other words, Putin might have believed that Ukrainian hostility towards Russia was only surface-level

    Maybe it’s true that Putin never uses the internet. If he did instead of relying entirely on his subordinates he might’ve discovered forums like this and modified his views.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Putin could also benefit from playing some strategy military games lol. Thanks to him, there will no doubt be plenty of strategy military games developed around the idea of Russia fighting Ukraine.

  881. @AnonfromTN
    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    A lively debate about the war is going on, which affects the actual war about as much as it does the Earth orbit around the Sun.

    A lively debate about trans individuals and other lunatics was going on, which affected everyone exactly as much: woke crazies remain mad, normal people remain normal.

    A lively debate about religion(s) waxes and wanes, affecting religions exactly as much: not at all.

    Other lively debates come and go, while the real life goes by, paying zero attention to them.

    The whole thing is best described by a saying “a dog is barking, while the caravan keeps moving.

    Replies: @A123, @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    What you say is true… And always has been so.

    Would you prefer auto racing?

    PEACE 😇

  882. @AnonfromTN
    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    A lively debate about the war is going on, which affects the actual war about as much as it does the Earth orbit around the Sun.

    A lively debate about trans individuals and other lunatics was going on, which affected everyone exactly as much: woke crazies remain mad, normal people remain normal.

    A lively debate about religion(s) waxes and wanes, affecting religions exactly as much: not at all.

    Other lively debates come and go, while the real life goes by, paying zero attention to them.

    The whole thing is best described by a saying “a dog is barking, while the caravan keeps moving.

    Replies: @A123, @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    It’s good conversation.

  883. @AnonfromTN
    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    A lively debate about the war is going on, which affects the actual war about as much as it does the Earth orbit around the Sun.

    A lively debate about trans individuals and other lunatics was going on, which affected everyone exactly as much: woke crazies remain mad, normal people remain normal.

    A lively debate about religion(s) waxes and wanes, affecting religions exactly as much: not at all.

    Other lively debates come and go, while the real life goes by, paying zero attention to them.

    The whole thing is best described by a saying “a dog is barking, while the caravan keeps moving.

    Replies: @A123, @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    Listen grandpa.

    Karlin is back in Karlinstan and not one person had to accuse him of letting Ukrainian trannies suck on his weener. The glass is not half full. The glass is 85% full. If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.

    TL/DR: it is not dogs. It’s cats.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.
     
    My point exactly. They can also spend 200 comments arguing how many angels can fit onto a needlepoint. Or discuss some other equally pressing and profitable issue.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  884. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The nuclear threat cannot be fully discounted, but it is diminished.
     
    You're crazy, you don't understand what that would mean, it would make a nuclear war MORE likely. It would mean Russia can't be secure that its 2nd strike capability will work, coupled with the fact that the Kremlinites already are prone to paranoia (though I'm not sure it could be called just paranoia, US policy does clearly aim at ensuring the US is the dominant world power which can dictate terms to everybody else after all) this will make miscalculations and short-time decisions for supposedly preemptive strikes much more of a risk.
    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don't think Russia's invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me. You don't give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances (as if this war were primarily about them, lol) and you are incapable of entertaining even the slightest doubts.

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson

    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me.

    Well Deutsche just what are you suggesting?

    Should Ukraine accept a loss of territory and billions worth of coal just because Putin has nukes? That’s like giving into a terrorist who has dynamite strapped to his chest.

    You don’t give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances

    The petty nationalist responsible for this mess is Putin.

    He ruled over the world’s largest country and the West even let him take Crimea.

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and is trying to go out as a conqueror.

    It isn’t working and the world thinks he is a loser. If he sets off a tactical nuke then it will be an affirmation that he lost. It means that the underdog Ukraine has beaten Russia at war.

    There is also no reason to assume the order would be followed. Someone within the Kremlin might leak the plan to the West. His invasion plans were leaked before they happened.

    Ukraine should actually hold off on the offensive and see where the spat goes with Putin’s Jewish chef. In fact Zelensky should offer to buy out Wagner.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    I'm confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn't you be supporting Putin?

    Replies: @Matra, @John Johnson

  885. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Listen grandpa.

    Karlin is back in Karlinstan and not one person had to accuse him of letting Ukrainian trannies suck on his weener. The glass is not half full. The glass is 85% full. If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.

    TL/DR: it is not dogs. It's cats.

    https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/height/675/https://media.salon.com/2022/05/cats-party-0516221.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.

    My point exactly. They can also spend 200 comments arguing how many angels can fit onto a needlepoint. Or discuss some other equally pressing and profitable issue.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    You are right. It is painful to watch people endlessly arguing about the real reasons of this war when everything is so recent and so clear. The Russian troops were about to return to their barracks after finishing their routine exercises when Ukraine started shelling Russian agricultural land across the border. I remember the RT and Sputnik reports of these provocations as if it had happened yesterday but I forget if it was a destroyed barn or a burned tractor that left Putin with no choice but to march on Kiev. How can people forget such crucial events?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN

    Don't be so bitter. I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya's RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening. I also imagine how AK feels after having imagined that these Noviop scum are somehow better than their equally corrupt "Western partners". Life is sometimes made of disappointments. But if taken the right way, these disappointments are enlightening. Cheer up, the future is bright!

    https://youtu.be/q8cl8lyhn6w

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

  886. @Sean
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Another one of my not wildly unreasonable assumptions was that, given my strong conviction that war was programmed by mid January, that Putin had a much better handle on how it would go than I did in 2018, since he has multiple intelligence services working for him and didn’t come off as a senile grandpa at the time
     
    Zelensky looked very fresh faced in 2019, one wonders what he was indulging over the next two years to get that raddled look. Biden has been known to be a hawk on Ukraine since he was VP, which is why his son got a lucrative Ukrainian energy sector job. The idea that Trump had got elected through help from Prigozhin’s troll farm, and Trump been soft on Russia over Ukraine and denied Zelensky arms was the grounds for Trump's first impeachment. Biden publicly said in 2021 that he believed Putin was “a killer”, and Biden said Putin would be made to pay for trying to help Trump.

    Nevertheless, none of that seems to have been key, what apparently was-- judging by the way the Russian army build up for the invasion began a matter of days afterward---is Putin’s Ukrainian billionaire friend Victor Medvedchuk (they went on holidays together and Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk’s daughter) being arrested on Zelensky’s orders. So my impression is almost instantly after Zelensky had Medvedchuk detained, Putin's intentions changed from using repeated ostensible preparatory build ups for an invasion as a pressure tactic. to reactivating the feigned preparations as the basis for a real assault on Kiev and regime change. That would explain why the preparations lacked thoroughness and the force was far from massive in relation to what it was supposed to accomplish.

    The real target of Zelensky's anti oligarch campaign was Poroshenko who was regaining popularity, and the charges against Medvedchuk and Proshenk were both "treason"; so intended to tar Poroshenko with being just another pro Russian billionaire. Zelensky told the US to stop talking about an invasion mere weeks before it happened, which surely indicated that he was preoccupied with securing his domestic political position, did not understand the the Godfather, and thought he was simply sabre rattling again.
    https://media.artsper.com/artwork/1280343_1_l.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, I’m unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn’t very high to begin with.

    Was the prosecution against him politically motivated or were the charges against him legitimate?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ


    FWIW, I’m unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn’t very high to begin with
     
    I agree he did not have all that much significance in steering the politics of Ukraine after the occupation of the mainly Russian inhabited areas, but the action against him was an indirect way of tarring Porroshenko with the same brush. Medvedchuk's Russian language TV stations were closed down, then he was arrested for treason and Poroshenko--the real target--fled the country. I don't think Zelensky realised the impact that arresting Medvedchuk would have on Putin.

    Zelensky is the most inexperienced person ever to lead a country, and his advisers were former members of his coomedy troupe. After astounding success that must have gone to his head--it would have gone to anyones--he was suffering a decline in popularity and tried to reinvent himself as a Donbass warrior while smearing Poroshenko and preventing him making a comeback; in my opinion the arrest of Medvedchuk was part of a plan to discredit Poroshenko, and was not properly thought though in regards to what Russia's reaction would be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  887. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization
     
    This was from a poll of 150 IT specialists who are readers of the website. Only 15% of those 150 people received summons.

    So the draft avoidance percentage is based on 23 people who got summoned!

    From the comments, one of the ones who didn't go complained of irregularities (he was given the summons at a market, he was involved in humanitarian projects).

    Not sure what percentage of the general population are actually avoiding the draft, but doing so is a source of shame:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/world/asia/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html

    So I doubt that it's a majority. I recall it was around 30%, but haven't found concrete numbers now. At any rate, Ukraine so far hasn't had trouble filling its ranks:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-into-war-ukraine-faces-challenges-mobilizing-troops-64dcdc49

    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.

    Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly
     
    Sure, but it's still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.

    IIRC, in the ACW, one could hire a substitute to be drafted in one’s place until 1864 or so. There were apparently plenty of willing volunteers for this, such as among recent immigrants to the US.

    Sure, but it’s still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.

    Had the Confederacy held on until 1868, the Union would have likely been compelled to make peace unless it was already on the verge of total victory by that point in time. I also wonder how 1866 would have gone had the Confederates still been fighting and Lincoln not been assassinated yet.

  888. @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    Sounds like everyone is to blame for Prigozhin's notoriety except those who run the Russian state that sent him to Ukraine in the first place. Your bad arguments are giving us JQers a bad name!

    Mr. XYZ:


    Well, TBH, I (quite rightly) suspected that Putin might have had a rosier view of Ukrainian attitudes towards Russia than they actually had. In other words, Putin might have believed that Ukrainian hostility towards Russia was only surface-level
     
    Maybe it's true that Putin never uses the internet. If he did instead of relying entirely on his subordinates he might've discovered forums like this and modified his views.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Putin could also benefit from playing some strategy military games lol. Thanks to him, there will no doubt be plenty of strategy military games developed around the idea of Russia fighting Ukraine.

  889. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Sincere. So what are the goals in your opinion?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Mercury, it took me 2600 words to create what I think is a credible minimum explanation. The following is a much shorter “Russia’s goals in Ukraine or Why she is fighting the SMO?” for your consideration.

    +++

    Summary:

    I think Russia’s publicly stated goals for the SMO merely represent relevant details of a much more serious crisis which make for a straightforward public story. Russia is fighting the West defensively in Ukraine as the opening round in WW3. It is up to the West to either back off or go all in.

    Some Highly Simplified Background

    The West has pressured Russia since the end of the Cold War economically, culturally and at times militarily. The pressures include active measures as well as threats. The “West” in this case is mostly the USA with the rest of NATO as a helper or proxy. A crucial part of this pressure includes the USA dropping the ABM treaty which explicitly relates to nuclear warfare and therefore is a threat directly related to Russia’s existential survival.

    NATO is a military alliance specifically intended to fight and destroy Russia. Moving the boundaries closer to Russia constitutes pressure. Moving the boundaries directly against Russia is a threat. Nonetheless, the boundaries with the Baltic countries and Finland are less important than a hypothetical NATO membership for Ukraine.

    The Western coup in Ukraine was a direct threat to Russia as Russian speakers in the Eastern part of the country were attacked and were expected to be driven out or genocided.

    Russian Publicly Stated Goals (that I recall)

    Protect citizens of Donbass, Lugansk and Crimea
    Remove the threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to both the Eastern regions of Ukraine and Russia
    Destroy NeoNazis which are an important part of the coup process in Ukraine
    Destroy all NATO military capabilities within Ukraine
    Prevent future NATO ascension of Ukraine

    Other Russian Concerns Mentioned with Regard to Ukraine

    US-funded Bioweapons labs in Ukraine
    Ukraine’s publicly stated goal of acquiring nuclear weapons
    Likely Western destruction of Nordstream
    Likely Ukrainian shootdown of airliner
    Likely Ukrainian publicly championed torture of Russians
    Ukrainian threats against Crimea

    Some of these last items might be viewed as tit-for-tat actions in a war. On the other hand, I believe Russia sees this essentially as a proxy war of the West versus Russia, with Ukraine as the proxy. In that scenario the West is held accountable for all of Ukraine’s actions in the war.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @QCIC

    In order to be anti-WW3 there's no need to fully enter McGregorian territory at all. Besides, you can't really believe that Mercury came here to gather material for a dispassionate doctoral dissertation, can you??

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    That is a very passionate and epic account of Russia's motivations.

    Why do you think they are allocating so little GDP to the effort?

    Replies: @QCIC

  890. @AnonfromTN
    This thread has become a vigorous exercise in futility.

    A lively debate about the war is going on, which affects the actual war about as much as it does the Earth orbit around the Sun.

    A lively debate about trans individuals and other lunatics was going on, which affected everyone exactly as much: woke crazies remain mad, normal people remain normal.

    A lively debate about religion(s) waxes and wanes, affecting religions exactly as much: not at all.

    Other lively debates come and go, while the real life goes by, paying zero attention to them.

    The whole thing is best described by a saying “a dog is barking, while the caravan keeps moving.

    Replies: @A123, @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    Rough day, huh?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Rough day, huh?
     
    Not really. Just compared this to fresh real-life experiences I had today:

    1. One good (smart and hard-working) PhD student on whose committee I was defended in the morning.

    2. After Friday ligation I got plenty of colonies on Saturday, started four minipreps overnight on Monday, today purified DNA from them and got four out of four clones that look correct by restriction analysis. Sent two for sequencing.

    3. In the afternoon I had an interesting discussion about one particular group of G protein-coupled receptors I am curious about with our seminar speaker; then attended her interesting talk where she showed structures obtained in collaboration with my former grad student, who is now an Assistant Professor in Indiana.

    Then compared all of this with lively circulation of pure hot air on this thread. The conclusion is inevitable.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  891. @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    I think I need to check out of this discussion again, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was in any way justified, the myopia of you and other pro-Ukrainians here sickens me.

    Well Deutsche just what are you suggesting?

    Should Ukraine accept a loss of territory and billions worth of coal just because Putin has nukes? That's like giving into a terrorist who has dynamite strapped to his chest.

    You don’t give a fuck about anything but your petty nationalistic grievances

    The petty nationalist responsible for this mess is Putin.

    He ruled over the world's largest country and the West even let him take Crimea.

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and is trying to go out as a conqueror.

    It isn't working and the world thinks he is a loser. If he sets off a tactical nuke then it will be an affirmation that he lost. It means that the underdog Ukraine has beaten Russia at war.

    There is also no reason to assume the order would be followed. Someone within the Kremlin might leak the plan to the West. His invasion plans were leaked before they happened.

    Ukraine should actually hold off on the offensive and see where the spat goes with Putin's Jewish chef. In fact Zelensky should offer to buy out Wagner.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I’m confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn’t you be supporting Putin?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Greasy William

    Judging by his/her comments some kind of embittered troll-like character with a Putin fixation who uses effeminate shaming language. For example above:

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and the world thinks he is a loser

    Skimming through other comments from today only!

    You seem to trust a dwarf dictator who started this war by lying

    His Jewish chef has supposedly consorted with the enemy. This would be a good time to quit defending the dwarf

    The Putin defenders like Wokechoke are at least acknowledging the Jewish chef.

    Some non-Putin but very neoconnish comments that you would never catch a WN or paleocon saying:Qaddafi was a bastard and his people would have gotten him without our help

    The US is not the cause of all problems. Psychopaths like Qaddafi predate the existence of America. Sometimes the people get fed up and go after them

    Back to Putin: He is just a power hungry dwarf

    The psychopath is in the Kremlin. A little dwarf psychopath

    Putin uses Novichok and Polonium as calling cards...Putin also kills people the old fashioned way

    It’s really sad that you went from being an insightful independent-left racial realist to defending a mass murdering dwarf

    We don’t need defenders of a mass murdering dwarf and his orc invasion that is currently failing

    Instead of doing P.R. work for the dwarf dictator and his T-55 Armada maybe you should volunteer

    Those are just a small sample of JJ's posts on May 16 only; there are many more, almost all raging about Russia.

    I'm going to guess JJ is a neocon or libtard pretending to be a right winger in order to appeal to them to stop supporting Putin/Russia but not knowledgeable enough about the target audience to be able to pull it off. Though hysterical, probably not female like LatW - who has the most womanish writing style I've ever seen here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    I’m confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn’t you be supporting Putin?

    I'm not a White nationalist and have never claimed to be one. I am a racial realist. That means I accept the reality of race. You can have a variety of political opinions while accepting a biological reality. I reject liberalism but I'm not a right winger and certainly not mainstream right. I think the "free market" right is just as full of shit.

    As for White nationalists I don't see why they would support Putin.

    Russian Slavs have been in population decline since 1991.
    https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/

    Russia has the world's highest abortion rate.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

    The largest Muslim population in Europe
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

    They also have hate crime laws where talking about the biology of race can land you in prison.

    Ukraine was actually criticized by the UN for not taking in Syrian refugees. They along with Poland and Hungary were criticized by globalist groups for not taking in Muslims.

    So no I don't see why White nationalists would back Putin. He is a dictator that boasts of Russia being a multi-racial and multi-religious country. I thought he was going after NeoNazis? His Unz defenders don't even seem to agree on why he is in Ukraine.

  892. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Mercury, it took me 2600 words to create what I think is a credible minimum explanation. The following is a much shorter "Russia's goals in Ukraine or Why she is fighting the SMO?" for your consideration.

    +++

    Summary:

    I think Russia's publicly stated goals for the SMO merely represent relevant details of a much more serious crisis which make for a straightforward public story. Russia is fighting the West defensively in Ukraine as the opening round in WW3. It is up to the West to either back off or go all in.

    Some Highly Simplified Background

    The West has pressured Russia since the end of the Cold War economically, culturally and at times militarily. The pressures include active measures as well as threats. The "West" in this case is mostly the USA with the rest of NATO as a helper or proxy. A crucial part of this pressure includes the USA dropping the ABM treaty which explicitly relates to nuclear warfare and therefore is a threat directly related to Russia's existential survival.

    NATO is a military alliance specifically intended to fight and destroy Russia. Moving the boundaries closer to Russia constitutes pressure. Moving the boundaries directly against Russia is a threat. Nonetheless, the boundaries with the Baltic countries and Finland are less important than a hypothetical NATO membership for Ukraine.

    The Western coup in Ukraine was a direct threat to Russia as Russian speakers in the Eastern part of the country were attacked and were expected to be driven out or genocided.

    Russian Publicly Stated Goals (that I recall)

    Protect citizens of Donbass, Lugansk and Crimea
    Remove the threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to both the Eastern regions of Ukraine and Russia
    Destroy NeoNazis which are an important part of the coup process in Ukraine
    Destroy all NATO military capabilities within Ukraine
    Prevent future NATO ascension of Ukraine

    Other Russian Concerns Mentioned with Regard to Ukraine

    US-funded Bioweapons labs in Ukraine
    Ukraine's publicly stated goal of acquiring nuclear weapons
    Likely Western destruction of Nordstream
    Likely Ukrainian shootdown of airliner
    Likely Ukrainian publicly championed torture of Russians
    Ukrainian threats against Crimea

    Some of these last items might be viewed as tit-for-tat actions in a war. On the other hand, I believe Russia sees this essentially as a proxy war of the West versus Russia, with Ukraine as the proxy. In that scenario the West is held accountable for all of Ukraine's actions in the war.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Triteleia Laxa

    In order to be anti-WW3 there’s no need to fully enter McGregorian territory at all. Besides, you can’t really believe that Mercury came here to gather material for a dispassionate doctoral dissertation, can you??

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I don't know what you mean about Macgregor. I don't think he is willing to go as far as my suggestion that the Russians are intentionally grinding down (killing) the AFU and NeoNazis slowly so these men don't have to be dealt with after the SMO when they may cause major problems for reconstruction. This will be a problem no matter what, but the Russians may be trying to minimize it. They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.

    Publically Macgregor cannot go there. From his professional soldier perspective you blow everything up then capture a bunch of people. They go to prison camps for a few years. The survivors eventiually get out. Maybe they try to live normal lives or maybe they stir up trouble. The US military doesn't care too much since it happens in a distant foreign country.

    What the Russians seem to be doing is more direct but also nastier since they don't have any qualms about killing any bad guy who is likely to turn into a guerilla. Because of the nature of this war I imagine a lot of AFU prisoners would immediately become guerrillas when released.

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don't like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  893. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Rough day, huh?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Rough day, huh?

    Not really. Just compared this to fresh real-life experiences I had today:

    1. One good (smart and hard-working) PhD student on whose committee I was defended in the morning.

    2. After Friday ligation I got plenty of colonies on Saturday, started four minipreps overnight on Monday, today purified DNA from them and got four out of four clones that look correct by restriction analysis. Sent two for sequencing.

    3. In the afternoon I had an interesting discussion about one particular group of G protein-coupled receptors I am curious about with our seminar speaker; then attended her interesting talk where she showed structures obtained in collaboration with my former grad student, who is now an Assistant Professor in Indiana.

    Then compared all of this with lively circulation of pure hot air on this thread. The conclusion is inevitable.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, you found this forum in the Qanon conspiracy part of the internet, people here are not very normal or intelligent. We will be less intelligent, to say mildly, than people you know in real life who understand about real of life topics like proteins. But you still enjoy posting here.

    This is the old internet, where people still write in forums, which almost doesn't exist today. We are like people who are exchanging cassette tapes, when everyone is using Spotify.

    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can't have high standards where you find them.

    Replies: @Mikel

  894. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Mercury, it took me 2600 words to create what I think is a credible minimum explanation. The following is a much shorter "Russia's goals in Ukraine or Why she is fighting the SMO?" for your consideration.

    +++

    Summary:

    I think Russia's publicly stated goals for the SMO merely represent relevant details of a much more serious crisis which make for a straightforward public story. Russia is fighting the West defensively in Ukraine as the opening round in WW3. It is up to the West to either back off or go all in.

    Some Highly Simplified Background

    The West has pressured Russia since the end of the Cold War economically, culturally and at times militarily. The pressures include active measures as well as threats. The "West" in this case is mostly the USA with the rest of NATO as a helper or proxy. A crucial part of this pressure includes the USA dropping the ABM treaty which explicitly relates to nuclear warfare and therefore is a threat directly related to Russia's existential survival.

    NATO is a military alliance specifically intended to fight and destroy Russia. Moving the boundaries closer to Russia constitutes pressure. Moving the boundaries directly against Russia is a threat. Nonetheless, the boundaries with the Baltic countries and Finland are less important than a hypothetical NATO membership for Ukraine.

    The Western coup in Ukraine was a direct threat to Russia as Russian speakers in the Eastern part of the country were attacked and were expected to be driven out or genocided.

    Russian Publicly Stated Goals (that I recall)

    Protect citizens of Donbass, Lugansk and Crimea
    Remove the threat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces to both the Eastern regions of Ukraine and Russia
    Destroy NeoNazis which are an important part of the coup process in Ukraine
    Destroy all NATO military capabilities within Ukraine
    Prevent future NATO ascension of Ukraine

    Other Russian Concerns Mentioned with Regard to Ukraine

    US-funded Bioweapons labs in Ukraine
    Ukraine's publicly stated goal of acquiring nuclear weapons
    Likely Western destruction of Nordstream
    Likely Ukrainian shootdown of airliner
    Likely Ukrainian publicly championed torture of Russians
    Ukrainian threats against Crimea

    Some of these last items might be viewed as tit-for-tat actions in a war. On the other hand, I believe Russia sees this essentially as a proxy war of the West versus Russia, with Ukraine as the proxy. In that scenario the West is held accountable for all of Ukraine's actions in the war.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Triteleia Laxa

    That is a very passionate and epic account of Russia’s motivations.

    Why do you think they are allocating so little GDP to the effort?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think the Russians are allocating what rubles they can while keeping their powder dry for other potential military challenges. It seems they are still building major high tech gear for other purposes.

    In Ukraine, I think they are missing 1) More fire and forget air-to-ground weapons and DIRCM equipment to reduce aircraft losses 2) Hardkill active protection systems which would have cut tank losses. On the other hand, they may not want these systems to fall into Western hands.

    My completely amateur speculation is that everything else is going roughly according to plan after some serious command screw ups for a while. Now they don't want to rush it.

    I think this interpretation fits the observations better than "The Russians are incompetent!" when we know that is not true from other information.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  895. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command's nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin's survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He's the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian "Strelkov" in all western coverage.

    It's very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It's quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin's career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn't mean it'll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Matra, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    It seems that you think an international conspiracy of Jews has made Prigozhin famous for their own ends instead of Igor Girkin. Did they appoint him head of the only part of Russia’s force that has advanced in months, while demoting Girkin to marginalised Russian-language podcaster?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Wagner is a Brigade or a Regiment. Around 5,000 men, probably less. The level of coverage that Prigozhin enjoys is quite out of proportion to anything he could be accomplishing with a force that size. Long column inches and free airtime. The spring board to politics is obvious. The coverage in the western press is absurd.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  896. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.
     
    My point exactly. They can also spend 200 comments arguing how many angels can fit onto a needlepoint. Or discuss some other equally pressing and profitable issue.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    You are right. It is painful to watch people endlessly arguing about the real reasons of this war when everything is so recent and so clear. The Russian troops were about to return to their barracks after finishing their routine exercises when Ukraine started shelling Russian agricultural land across the border. I remember the RT and Sputnik reports of these provocations as if it had happened yesterday but I forget if it was a destroyed barn or a burned tractor that left Putin with no choice but to march on Kiev. How can people forget such crucial events?

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mikel

    There is a young man from outside Moscow who I started speaking to after he contacted me on Telegram. Despite coming from a middle class, anti Putin family, he 100% believed that Ukraine was attacking Russia

  897. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Rough day, huh?
     
    Not really. Just compared this to fresh real-life experiences I had today:

    1. One good (smart and hard-working) PhD student on whose committee I was defended in the morning.

    2. After Friday ligation I got plenty of colonies on Saturday, started four minipreps overnight on Monday, today purified DNA from them and got four out of four clones that look correct by restriction analysis. Sent two for sequencing.

    3. In the afternoon I had an interesting discussion about one particular group of G protein-coupled receptors I am curious about with our seminar speaker; then attended her interesting talk where she showed structures obtained in collaboration with my former grad student, who is now an Assistant Professor in Indiana.

    Then compared all of this with lively circulation of pure hot air on this thread. The conclusion is inevitable.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Well, you found this forum in the Qanon conspiracy part of the internet, people here are not very normal or intelligent. We will be less intelligent, to say mildly, than people you know in real life who understand about real of life topics like proteins. But you still enjoy posting here.

    This is the old internet, where people still write in forums, which almost doesn’t exist today. We are like people who are exchanging cassette tapes, when everyone is using Spotify.

    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can’t have high standards where you find them.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can’t have high standards where you find them.
     
    He's too old to abandon this format and go to more modern venues of discussion. And so am I. We continue communicating in full sentences that give way to paragraphs and use emoticons sparingly, if at all. The younger generations don't communicate like that any more. In fact, they consider that type of writing very uncool, as I was recently reminded when someone saw me writing a long sentence in a whatsapp message. Unlike him, I do value many of the discussions here though. I don't know where he expects to find a blog where the discussions have any real-life impact. On the course of a war launched by people who don't use the internet, no less.

    Replies: @QCIC

  898. Sean says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    However, I don’t expect them to succeed, which makes their conduct extra bizarre to me even just from a regime preservation perspective
     
    I think along the same lines, so the question would be whether we are in 1915 yet or in 1916 already?

    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power?

    Along regional, ethnic or political lines ?

    Replies: @Sean

    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power

    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union and the USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party’s hold on power. I do not see any parallel with the current situation , but were there to be chaos, Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state. So there would be no new centres geographically.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union
     
    Please tell me more about that.

    USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party’s hold on power
     
    Your outlook is peculiar, but interesting.

    Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state.
     
    The problem is that there's none of it to be found in RusFed. Otherwise, Russia would have been a normal country by now.

    Problem is, Russians did not complete their nation-building before the Revolution, and then they have been pressured into becoming the Soviet People. As a result, Russians are completely disoriented as an ethnic group.

    They need to get out of this historical clusteerf☆ck that the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring put them in. Russians need at least three - four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.

    But the Globalist wouldn't allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    Replies: @Sean, @S

  899. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    I'm confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn't you be supporting Putin?

    Replies: @Matra, @John Johnson

    Judging by his/her comments some kind of embittered troll-like character with a Putin fixation who uses effeminate shaming language. For example above:

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and the world thinks he is a loser

    Skimming through other comments from today only!

    You seem to trust a dwarf dictator who started this war by lying

    His Jewish chef has supposedly consorted with the enemy. This would be a good time to quit defending the dwarf

    The Putin defenders like Wokechoke are at least acknowledging the Jewish chef.

    Some non-Putin but very neoconnish comments that you would never catch a WN or paleocon saying:Qaddafi was a bastard and his people would have gotten him without our help

    The US is not the cause of all problems. Psychopaths like Qaddafi predate the existence of America. Sometimes the people get fed up and go after them

    Back to Putin: He is just a power hungry dwarf

    The psychopath is in the Kremlin. A little dwarf psychopath

    Putin uses Novichok and Polonium as calling cards…Putin also kills people the old fashioned way

    It’s really sad that you went from being an insightful independent-left racial realist to defending a mass murdering dwarf

    We don’t need defenders of a mass murdering dwarf and his orc invasion that is currently failing

    Instead of doing P.R. work for the dwarf dictator and his T-55 Armada maybe you should volunteer

    Those are just a small sample of JJ’s posts on May 16 only; there are many more, almost all raging about Russia.

    I’m going to guess JJ is a neocon or libtard pretending to be a right winger in order to appeal to them to stop supporting Putin/Russia but not knowledgeable enough about the target audience to be able to pull it off. Though hysterical, probably not female like LatW – who has the most womanish writing style I’ve ever seen here.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Matra

    It’s pretty obvious that he is a leftist posing in right wing clothing. He wears certain talking points that have been processed through the good will of rightists and have been rejected as too shabbygoy.

    Replies: @Matra

  900. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    That is a very passionate and epic account of Russia's motivations.

    Why do you think they are allocating so little GDP to the effort?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think the Russians are allocating what rubles they can while keeping their powder dry for other potential military challenges. It seems they are still building major high tech gear for other purposes.

    In Ukraine, I think they are missing 1) More fire and forget air-to-ground weapons and DIRCM equipment to reduce aircraft losses 2) Hardkill active protection systems which would have cut tank losses. On the other hand, they may not want these systems to fall into Western hands.

    My completely amateur speculation is that everything else is going roughly according to plan after some serious command screw ups for a while. Now they don’t want to rush it.

    I think this interpretation fits the observations better than “The Russians are incompetent!” when we know that is not true from other information.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Ok, thank you.

    As for your opinion of your opinion. Do you recognise that it is considered a marginal one? Do you understand that generally you will be seen as impermeable to truth or facts? What is it that makes you know these things, if indeed you're right, better than everyone else?

    Replies: @QCIC

  901. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    > a universal Russian delusion

    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609314481875701760

    I made some very non-radical baseline assumptions about competence and commitment, (1) that Russia would do a normal shock and awe campaign and bring many more than 200k troops (40k to Kiev!?) to bear at the start, would carve out vast chunks of undefended southern Ukraine as opposed to expending manpower and precious time on reducing Mariupol instead of just surrounding it, etc., etc., and (2), in the event all that failed, (which was not even tried), would transition to a "normal" war economy with concomitant manpower, industrial, propaganda, etc. mobilization, as most any classical 20C polity be it democratic, Communist, or fascist would have. Neither proved true - to date, Russia is literally spending less on the "existential" Ukraine "war against Satanism" than the US did on Vietnam as a share of GDP. The issue just really boils down to the fact that Putinist Russia is an extremely "peculiar" state, that reads like Karen Dawisha's Putin's Kleptocracy and the Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that (ironically despite having kinda/sorta been in that camp in the late 2010s).

    ***

    sudden death

    > was hallucinating about the more or less rationally going invasion which was worth all the done mess and believed in thoroughly calculated Kremlin military actions despite fail in Kiev at the start.

    That is objectively wrong. I was bearish during the summer, turned briefly bullish in September precisely on account of mobilization and the Kalibr bombing campaign being a signal kremlins were starting to take the war seriously (this was precisely when Z was dooming over Kherson - a retreat I called correctly, and approved of), then soon turned bearish again when it became clear it was all kneejerk stuff and not any kind of coherent plan.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1651208791784935425

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @AP, @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ

    Also, one more thing worth asking: Did Russia actually have the necessary logistics to launch a military campaign against Ukraine with several times more troops relative to real life in February 2022? Because if Russia has a larger army but can’t logistically sustain them, then they’re simply going to become sitting ducks for the Ukrainians, aren’t they?

    Reminds me of the Schlieffen Plan running out of steam due to logistics by the time that the Germans were approaching Paris:

    https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA491685.pdf

  902. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Karlin has been the most objective of the Russians. He believed that Russia would win quickly (a universal Russian delusion) but changed his mind in response to the facts.

    I think I was mostly right when I insisted that Ukrainians would fight and fight hard. I made two mistakes:

    1. I thought Putin would be smarter and better informed than Russian nationalists, and understand (as I did) that Ukrainians would fight hard for their country. For this reason, I assumed he wouldn’t invade.

    2. I thought Biden would follow the example of the disgusting Obama, and do almost nothing for Eastern Europe/Ukraine and pursue policies favorable to Russia. It was Biden’s approach early in his presidency (he canceled Trump’s Nordstream sanctions and limited American energy independence). Obama-esque policy would have resulted in a very bloody Russian conventional victory in 6 months or so (not weeks as Russian nationalists and their lackeys falsely assumed) and would be followed by a long period of mass resistance, partisan warfare and anti-Russian terrorism. But instead, Ukrainians were given the means to defend their country, and have driven Russia to stalemate and very limited territorial gains.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, worth noting that at least one pro-Russian blamed Trump much more than he blamed Biden for the Russo-Ukrainian War:

    https://eharding.substack.com/p/why-donald-trump-is-primarily-responsible

    He argues that the point of no return had already been reached once Biden became US President and that Biden was actually relatively conciliatory towards Russia for a US President–just not conciliatory enough for Russia’s liking.

    He, of course, also believed that a Russian invasion of Ukraine was going to be a piece of cake, comparable to the US invading Great Britain if Great Britain didn’t actually have its own nukes:

    https://eharding.substack.com/p/the-case-for-russia-invading-ukraine

  903. @AP
    @Beckow


    No amount of synonym games or cherry-picking – or lying – can change the fact that Poland signed a treaty with Germany in 1934
     
    The problem is that you lie about the nature of the “treaty.” It was simply an agreement to respect the Versailles border and not to attack one another. Poland made the same one with the USSR.

    The M&R Treaty was also called ‘Non-Aggression Treaty’
     
    Unlike the Polish one with Germany, the Soviet one included provisions about cooperation in the division of Europe and was followed up with economic treaties that involved the Soviets supplying the German was machine.

    You lie about the 1930’s Poland that was a nationalist dictatorship open to an alliance with Germany
     
    I never denied that Poland was as a nationalist dictatorship. “Open to an alliance with Germany” is a lie. The opposite is true.

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany on January 30, 1933, Piłsudski was compelled to accept Hitler’s suggestion of a 10-year German-Polish nonaggression agreement (January 24, 1934). To show that Poland’s intentions were above suspicion, Beck was sent to Moscow in February, and the existing Soviet-Polish nonaggression treaty was prolonged to December 31, 1945. Later Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Poland joined or led every attack on Russia in the last few hundred years (in 1941 Nazis spurned them), and they lost every time
     
    You display your historical ignorance as usual. Poland (especially when united with Ukraine) almost always defeated Russia. Russians could only defeat Poles when they had Ukrainians on their side. The last time that Poland fought with Russia, Poland defeated Russia (without Ukraine) in 1920. Poland (plus Ukraine) defeated Russia numerous times in the 15th to 17th centuries. It even captured Moscow, and although it did not keep Moscow the treaty that ended that war resulted in a lot of territory taken from Russia (so the war was a Polish win, unlike Napoleon’s loss). Poles are not Germans, Swedes, or French. They are Slavs who know how to fight Russians.

    Only in the late 18th and 19th centuries did Poles lose to Russians but that was because the Ukrainians were on the Russian side. For example the 1830 Polish uprising was crushed by a Zaporizhian Cossack:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Paskevich

    Not anymore. You are re-learning an old lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Sort-of relevant to this topic: What do you think that it would have realistically taken for Poland to hold onto Kiev back in 1920?

  904. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @QCIC

    In order to be anti-WW3 there's no need to fully enter McGregorian territory at all. Besides, you can't really believe that Mercury came here to gather material for a dispassionate doctoral dissertation, can you??

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t know what you mean about Macgregor. I don’t think he is willing to go as far as my suggestion that the Russians are intentionally grinding down (killing) the AFU and NeoNazis slowly so these men don’t have to be dealt with after the SMO when they may cause major problems for reconstruction. This will be a problem no matter what, but the Russians may be trying to minimize it. They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.

    Publically Macgregor cannot go there. From his professional soldier perspective you blow everything up then capture a bunch of people. They go to prison camps for a few years. The survivors eventiually get out. Maybe they try to live normal lives or maybe they stir up trouble. The US military doesn’t care too much since it happens in a distant foreign country.

    What the Russians seem to be doing is more direct but also nastier since they don’t have any qualms about killing any bad guy who is likely to turn into a guerilla. Because of the nature of this war I imagine a lot of AFU prisoners would immediately become guerrillas when released.

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don’t like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.
     
    All surveys say that support for the EU and NATO has strengthened greatly because of this war.

    In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don’t like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.
     
    You guess that Russia is currently conducting a methodical campaign to kill all Ukrainian men between 16-50, so as to extinguish any future guerrilla movements before they start?

    Does the West have moral culpability for this too?

    Will future Ukrainians, at least those that remain, also blame this on the West and not Russia? It'd be a historical first.

    How does this square with the released Ukrainian figures of just 13,000 operational fatalities? Are they lying by a factor of 30? If so, who are they lying to? I don't believe it could be to the Ukrainian people who, given the scale of the numbers suggested by Russia sympathetic sources, would absolutely know the truth?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

  905. Sean says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    FWIW, I'm unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn't very high to begin with.

    Was the prosecution against him politically motivated or were the charges against him legitimate?

    Replies: @Sean

    FWIW, I’m unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn’t very high to begin with

    I agree he did not have all that much significance in steering the politics of Ukraine after the occupation of the mainly Russian inhabited areas, but the action against him was an indirect way of tarring Porroshenko with the same brush. Medvedchuk’s Russian language TV stations were closed down, then he was arrested for treason and Poroshenko–the real target–fled the country. I don’t think Zelensky realised the impact that arresting Medvedchuk would have on Putin.

    Zelensky is the most inexperienced person ever to lead a country, and his advisers were former members of his coomedy troupe. After astounding success that must have gone to his head–it would have gone to anyones–he was suffering a decline in popularity and tried to reinvent himself as a Donbass warrior while smearing Poroshenko and preventing him making a comeback; in my opinion the arrest of Medvedchuk was part of a plan to discredit Poroshenko, and was not properly thought though in regards to what Russia’s reaction would be.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    Seems like this move ironically worked out very well for Zelensky long-term, virtually ensuring that he'd get a second term due to his success in the current Ukrainian fight against Russia.

  906. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    In parts of Western Russia, especially I think Moscow, it’s possible nationalism is a bit less uncommon. You know, the nationalist views of some celebrities like Navalny.
     
    There is intellectual nationalism (vs plain vatnicism).

    But already in Urals regions, multinationalism or anti-racism starts to feel like an unofficial ideology. I would say in Siberia and Far East, the society was constructed using the multinational principles.
     
    But that makes sense. Must be a nice, laid back atmosphere there, unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.


    It’s more comfortable for my ego, but they must use bots and prepared this before the invasion of Ukraine. Otherwise, how would attain millions of views on YouTube, for a singer nobody has heard and has no fans?
     
    He is artificially promoted, no doubt about that, prior to this he was only on those talent competition shows like Golos. It's a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic type of patriotism, but he does have a decent voice. But he doesn't really have an edge, although he tries to create that with his outfits and the stage manner.

    Yes he says there will be no concerts from February 2022 until the end of the war.
     
    That makes me respect him more. That's a very graceful way to show one's attitude. I understand - we won't be singing and dancing and jumping or drinking champagne on the beach as long as our brothers and sisters in Ukraine are dying. Wow, Max Korzh, Human Being with the capital letter. He's giving up a lot because his shows were packed. He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them that nobody wants to attack them from the European side and never would, so that they are not stressed and confused about everything. Poor kids, having to see all this at a young age.. :(

    While in Europe, we have inherited the idea love songs between the man and the woman, should be based in the “courtly love” ideal from medieval chivalry.

    A lot more of the Israeli love songs about family relations like their father, their baby, etc. This is the singers from Middle Eastern culture, liek Morocco.
     
    This is true, although it didn't used to be that way in Europe. This really matters. By the way, in the States they have some remnants of this, for example, in Hallmark cards - there is a card for every family member, mom, sister, children's first years of life, of course, beloved husband and wife as well, but the whole family. It's not that way in Europe or it's not displayed as much.

    In some ways, Russian society is kind of matriarchy and has a lot of the first-wave feminism. But Israel can be described as a very feminist in terms of the second-wave feminism.
     
    EE (and Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it's a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes that don't necessarily get lived out, since few people have a truly traditional lifestyle. Whereas Israel looks like it has kind of moved on. I'm not sure what is the right way, I have very mixed feelings about all this.

    Israeli women have generally more masculine values, Israeli men have more of the feminine task

     

    I think in reality they are both busy and that's why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio favors women, which is also better for the TFR, since men commit faster and stay committed. Which incidentally is confirmed by the woman in the video you posted.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    intellectual nationalism

    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn’t a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views. There is the indication he wasn’t part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov’s zoo.

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children’s story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn’t care, because if the laundry machine the raison d’être of the system why would it be its weakness.

    unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.

    Yes, it’s freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.

    So, Moscow, they had enough money to convert to the digital gulag, but they would never have enough investment in half of the country.

    Although unfortunately, it is still less budget needed to add microphones in the schools, than to have clean water sources.

    It’s a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic

    A lot of the theme, is like “we have a young person “fashionable looking person” who respects the older generation”.

    He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them

    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.

    It’s the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.

    It’s why he the special connection with the youth, because it’s how they still teach everyone in school. Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18. Until you are 18, all the teachers present like there will be “successful career” and improving the world as the future engineers, scientists and doctors. But this future of jobs and world the education system prepares youth for, is the ghost which doesn’t exist in the region since the 1980s.

    Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it’s a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes

    It’s overall, feeling more like matriarchy than patriarchy. In the first day of school, every child in the classroom knows, the girls are more privileged than the boys, not without reason. They are doing better school work, they are more responsible people, probably they are more intelligent, at least this was the impression of youth.

    This is still matched in the reality of life in Russia, even when most of the population are losers in a resource extraction colony, smore women generally more upward mobile, more organized, living better than men.

    She is the best commentator about Israel in my opinion, which few reporters describe, but her views especially about Russia, are biased from her gender, if she believes men are privileged in Russia.

    She’s an example of the most pedantic well organized kind of women in Russia, with good survival skills and upward mobile. The way those YouTubers produce videos, reminds of the girls from the first day in school, with the neat and organized books.

    She’s from Chelyabinsk, from ordinary background I guess. Without having profession, without husband with profession. Within a few years of emigration , she is talking how she organized Israeli middle class life, posting about the $600,000 apartment, all pedantically, managing a few children. If the Russian army was organized like this.

    they are both busy and that’s why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio

    Something she talks about, but they don’t say in other places is how the secular Jews go to bed early.

    If it’s 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can’t see Russian people, it’s lots of Israelis everywhere. If it’s 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn’t go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.

    It’s one of the main things about Jewish culture, which somehow isn’t in the stereotypes. To say negatively, they are perhaps on average more boring, or to say positively, they are more nonprocrastinating.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn’t a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views.
     
    He is not a loser either way, externally or internally. He has tremendous fortitude. By the way, apparently he is sitting in the same cell where Dmitry Demushkin (a Russian nationalist) was once sitting. I wasn't thinking of Navalny though since he's not particularly intellectual (although not dumb). He may have had "unfashionable" views as you say (as if that was relevant when it comes to ideology, lol), but his persona was quite progressive (not in the Western sense, but in the sense that he is not a vatnik).

    There is the indication he wasn’t part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov’s zoo.
     
    No, that's why he is where he is. :( He has lost a lot of weight... :(

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children’s story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn’t care, because if the laundry machine the raison d’être of the system why would it be its weakness.
     
    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they "don't care" as you imply, many don't care, but some do care.

    Yes, it’s freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.
     
    Yea, this is what happens in some cases in such areas, in the US as well, this is partly where American libertarianism derives its strength from. Some parts of the North might be that way as well (but in Scandinavia they try to compensate with solidarity to alleviate this). This mental independence and freedom is very attractive, but it may also not always be safe if you encounter bad people (there are no institutions to help you). However, most people in those areas are good. They are rugged but kind folks.

    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.
     
    I will have to listen to the "My home" lyrics once again to see where exactly he said it. That's important because his cultural background is somewhat "Soviet friendly" (understandably so, given the context).

    It’s the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.
     
    It is sort of that way, but in his case the "brotherly" peoples are also about his own dvizh, in his dvizh everyone is a brother and sister.

    Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18.
     
    One of his themes is the life of teenagers and their challenges of becoming borderline delinquent. He plays with that idea because it has "an edge" and can resonate with his working class kids audience. In songs such as Малый повзрослел.

    By the way, I looked into it and he gave up a lot. His message re: Ukraine was more stern than it at first seemed. He may not be able to go to Russia now. He's giving up hundreds of thousands of euros probably, for his stance. This is truly admirable. Especially since he is not a Zmagar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists (this is worth thinking about).

    With Luka now being seriously ill, who knows how things will go.

    Only the warmest thoughts for Max Korzh and his people. 🙏


    If it’s 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can’t see Russian people, it’s lots of Israelis everywhere. If it’s 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn’t go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.
     
    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  907. @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ


    FWIW, I’m unsure that targeting Medvedchuk actually had much value since his popularity wasn’t very high to begin with
     
    I agree he did not have all that much significance in steering the politics of Ukraine after the occupation of the mainly Russian inhabited areas, but the action against him was an indirect way of tarring Porroshenko with the same brush. Medvedchuk's Russian language TV stations were closed down, then he was arrested for treason and Poroshenko--the real target--fled the country. I don't think Zelensky realised the impact that arresting Medvedchuk would have on Putin.

    Zelensky is the most inexperienced person ever to lead a country, and his advisers were former members of his coomedy troupe. After astounding success that must have gone to his head--it would have gone to anyones--he was suffering a decline in popularity and tried to reinvent himself as a Donbass warrior while smearing Poroshenko and preventing him making a comeback; in my opinion the arrest of Medvedchuk was part of a plan to discredit Poroshenko, and was not properly thought though in regards to what Russia's reaction would be.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Seems like this move ironically worked out very well for Zelensky long-term, virtually ensuring that he’d get a second term due to his success in the current Ukrainian fight against Russia.

  908. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I still think that the Netherlands is a better comparison because the Dutch language is closer to German than the Scandinavian languages are. And AFAIK Scandinavia, unlike the Netherlands, was never actually a part of the Holy Roman Empire.
     
    Yea, it makes sense regarding the Netherlands, however, I was looking at it from a different, more esoteric, mystical angle, since this is also an aspect with Kiev as a symbol of the Rus. The Nazis probably viewed Scandinavia as some kind of a cradle for the Northern Germanic people, since they had the Lebensborn program there. The biological had a bit of an esoteric aspect there. However, I do not believe that the Nazis treated the Dutch or the Scandinavians condescendingly or with contempt (the way that Russians sometimes treat Ukrainians), they probably paternalized them and they also subdued the resistance, but they were probably inclined to shelter them for their racial qualities and kinship.

    Anyway, if Russia, as the Third Rome, can tolerate Constantinople being in Muslim hands (and it can), then Yes, it should likewise get an attitude adjustment so that it would finally be able to tolerate Kiev being in Ukrainian hands.
     
    They don't see it that way - they believe that Kiev will not be in the Ukrainian hands but will be managed from Washington or "run by the Jews" (an opinion that you can witness in full splendor on this very forum). The Russian imperialist do not believe that the "little brothers" can run their own affairs (they seem them as wasting the territory that all Rus are entitled to). Or worse - they see them as traitors.

    Of course, normal Russians exist who do not see things this way. Either way, things will change considerably, thus we'll see whether there will be an attitude adjustment, probably not at first.

    Kiev is more pampered under Ukrainian rule than under Russian rule anyway, with it being the capital of Ukraine.
     
    It is how it should normally be with a country's capital. And Kyiv will thrive.

    Now, if Tsarist Russia had made Kiev its capital, then things could have perhaps gotten more interesting.
     
    Some Russian nationalists would not mind, as long as there is a Slavic confederacy and they are allied with each other against outside forces. If they are friends, it doesn't matter, it only becomes a point of contention when they compete and hate each other.

    And Yes, AFAIK, Israeli women generally have children after they serve in the IDF, not before IDF service or during IDF service. As you said, that would make things considerably more complicated, which Israeli women likely wouldn’t want.
     
    That would be way too brutal (and maybe not even doable), it would be cruel to both mother and child. It's already pushing it with the military service, even though it's understandable that Israel has to do it.

    Though it’s possible that a young Israeli woman who already has a child might be exempt from IDF service. Worth checking out.
     
    Yea, this could also explain a relatively high TFR, if this is true. This is how Israel says to her women: you will serve, one way or another. But I'm sure there is a broad consensus on that and women don't mind. Worth asking.

    Aiming for a culture of pro-natalism along with artificial wombs can’t hurt.
     
    Most important is to have the relationship last long enough for the second child to be welcomed, if this could be achieved, this would solve the problem, and those couples who are more stable could go ahead and have more children.

    For instance, even without the post-1965 immigration, it ensured that the US would have several dozen million more Americans
     
    White American birth rates / TFR were quite good as recent as the mid 1990s. Things probably started going downhill in the 2000s.

    I think that either having Russia not enter WWI at all or having Russia much more aggressively crack down on defeatism and subversive activities during WWI would have both been better than Russia’s actual course of action in real life.
     
    I'm not sure what you mean here, but it may not have been possible to "crack down on defeatism" because the war was very exhausting, if you added more hardship to it, things could have gone even worse. They just didn't have enough supplies (or maybe it was too large). In general, the Russian Empire was forced to modernize fast which was challenging. There was a bad omen already way before the Revolution of 1905 and the war - the Khodynka stampede (in 1896), a very sad event, since the Tsar had brought such generous gifts and treats for everyone. It is difficult to organize such large events.

    I’m specifically thinking about all of those WWI troops who got killed after being conscripted even if they might not have wanted to fight and risk their lives
     
    This is a very painful topic, even as it is covered in poems and in prose. It was a complete catastrophe for my people, and also very tough on the boys, many of whom were very young. But somehow I feel that their spirit was elevated.

    who died en masse during the Armenian Genocide, which would almost certainly not have happened without WWI
     
    When these large empires collapse, everything is disturbed, unsettled and the people on the periphery suffer. Similarly to peoples who are positioned between large powers. I've been to the Armenian Genocide museum in Yerevan, it left quite an impression on me. It's sometimes good to see such things, it helps one put things into perspective, and see that other peoples and nations, too, have suffered, not just one's own people. Although that time was indeed unduly harsh on Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    They don’t see it that way – they believe that Kiev will not be in the Ukrainian hands but will be managed from Washington or “run by the Jews” (an opinion that you can witness in full splendor on this very forum). The Russian imperialist do not believe that the “little brothers” can run their own affairs (they seem them as wasting the territory that all Rus are entitled to). Or worse – they see them as traitors.

    Yep, the logic is that Ukrainians can’t govern themselves, so it’s either having them be governed by Russians or having them be governed by those who are hostile towards Russia. A very infantilizing logic towards Ukrainians. Though unfortunately Ukraine’s first 25 years post-independence haven’t exactly been a huge success story.

    That would be way too brutal (and maybe not even doable), it would be cruel to both mother and child. It’s already pushing it with the military service, even though it’s understandable that Israel has to do it.

    Forcing women into military service is egalitarian if men also have to do this.

    Yea, this could also explain a relatively high TFR, if this is true. This is how Israel says to her women: you will serve, one way or another. But I’m sure there is a broad consensus on that and women don’t mind. Worth asking.

    Yep, I suspect that patriotism is a bigger deal in Israel than it is in some Western countries.

    Most important is to have the relationship last long enough for the second child to be welcomed, if this could be achieved, this would solve the problem, and those couples who are more stable could go ahead and have more children.

    That would require people to choose better mates, which might be tricky if people are frequently horny lol.

    White American birth rates / TFR were quite good as recent as the mid 1990s. Things probably started going downhill in the 2000s.

    Possibly, but they were still much higher in the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s.

    I’m not sure what you mean here, but it may not have been possible to “crack down on defeatism” because the war was very exhausting, if you added more hardship to it, things could have gone even worse. They just didn’t have enough supplies (or maybe it was too large). In general, the Russian Empire was forced to modernize fast which was challenging. There was a bad omen already way before the Revolution of 1905 and the war – the Khodynka stampede (in 1896), a very sad event, since the Tsar had brought such generous gifts and treats for everyone. It is difficult to organize such large events.

    I just find it interesting that defeatism set in in Russia at the very same time that the US had entered WWI, thus making long-term victory virtually certain for the Entente. Of course, maybe Russians feared that they would have still had to fight for 2+ additional years in order to achieve victory in WWI and thus preferred a negotiated peace over the additional casualties that this would result in. But it’s a huge shame, because Russia ended up getting the worse of both worlds: A negotiated peace plus many more additional casualties in both the Russian Civil War and WWII. Had Russia made a separate peace before the Bolshevik coup, things would have likely been much, much better for Russia, both short-term and long-term.

    This is a very painful topic, even as it is covered in poems and in prose. It was a complete catastrophe for my people, and also very tough on the boys, many of whom were very young. But somehow I feel that their spirit was elevated.

    Yes, one can certainly get a morale boost from being a hero.

    When these large empires collapse, everything is disturbed, unsettled and the people on the periphery suffer. Similarly to peoples who are positioned between large powers. I’ve been to the Armenian Genocide museum in Yerevan, it left quite an impression on me. It’s sometimes good to see such things, it helps one put things into perspective, and see that other peoples and nations, too, have suffered, not just one’s own people. Although that time was indeed unduly harsh on Eastern Europeans.

    At least WWI was good for the peoples of Eastern Europe due to it securing independence for many of them (albeit not, unfortunately, for the Ukrainians and Belarusians). But the Armenians really did get fucked by WWI. A genocide and no long-term independence either until 1991. And decades of Bolshevik rule in the meantime!

  909. @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    There is no such thing as "Israeli Jewish" nationalism. The term is an oxymoron. In Israel, one either primarily identifies as an "Israeli" or as a "Jew". Those who identify as Israeli are some of the least nationalistic people in the world (the only positive quality of this group, btw). This group also is strongly opposed to Israel being in Judea and Samaria and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.

    The self identified Jews are hardly very nationalistic either. The so called National Religious are, but the nationalism of the working class Mizrahim merely consists of anti Arab racism and the haredi aren't nationalistic at all.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.

    If they’re descended from Jews, such as children and grandchildren of Jews, then Yes. If they’re not descended from Jews, then it gets a bit more complicated, I suspect.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    They are in a a demographic war with the Haredim. They will take all the seculars they can get, even if they are non Jewish

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  910. @Ivashka the fool

    Today is a big Day of Remembrance for the Jews - Iyar 26 - the Day of Salvation and Liberation. May 9, 1945 fell on Iyar 26, 5705 according to the Jewish calendar. Therefore, this date was chosen as the Day of Salvation and Liberation.

    Today, Iyar 26 falls on May 16. Commemorative events and services are held in synagogues around the world on this day. In the synagogues of Moscow - too.

    By the way, this holiday was initiated by Russian Jews - the Russian Jewish Congress in 2013. In 2014, it appeared in Israel, in 2015, after the Conference of European Rabbis, in Europe.

    The President of the Conference of Rabbis of Europe, Chief Rabbi of Moscow, Pinchas Goldschmidt said in 2013 that this day should be celebrated like the Passover holiday - as a holiday of liberation from slavery.

    And who led the Jews in 1945 from slavery to freedom, from enslavement to liberation, from mourning into a holiday - the Soviet people, the Red Army.

    If the Red Army had defeated Germany and its last allies even six months later, then there would simply be no Jews left in Europe. Why, half a year - then the count went to days - a week maximum. In Hungary, after 10 days, if the USSR had not defeated it, all the Jews would have been killed.

    The greatest victims in the Holocaust were in Belarus - 99% of all Jews who fell under Nazi occupation died there. For example, 25 thousand Jews lived in Brest before the war, and 19 people survived until the liberation. And in Estonia - already in February 1942, Hitler was informed that Estonia had become "judenfrei", the first country in Europe "free of Jews."

    If you have the opportunity, go to the synagogue today. Or just remember the victims of the Holocaust, and in general - all the victims of Nazism.
     

    From the Tg channel of Pavel Priannikov.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Perhaps maybes, 2000s or 2010s, was the time when the money of Russian Jewish elites was enough to have some effects among elites even it looks like they have influence with religious authorities in Israel. .

    After 2022, Russian Jewish elites are perhaps, viewed as losers again including by the world’s elites.

    At least, Kudrin is still part of the systemic liberals and nobody seems to have cared he was living in Israel last year.

    But Chubais maybe loses even the protection of the “systemic” part of the “systemic liberalism”.

    There is people taking photos of Chubais, who supposedly has to wait like a normal immigrant, in the immigration office in a small village in Northern Israel.
    https://strana.today/news/434206-chubajs-vmeste-s-zhenoj-podal-zapros-v-mvd-izrailja-chtoby-poluchit-dokumenty.html

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    As Arabs have it: "The return to one's origins is preferable" (inna er-roodjuee lil' asli fadhila).

    Or if you dislike your Semitic cousins' pearls of wisdom, as Shrek the Ogre famously told in the DreamWorks Pictures' movie: "better out than in".

    https://www.jewthink.org/2020/12/15/ten-reasons-why-shrek-is-jewish/

    Replies: @Dmitry

  911. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If everybody would just relax him and Ivashkya could have a debate for the next 200 comments on how the Russian legal institutions still cannot contain the tribal squabbles after 400 years and two titanic regime changes but this crisis is going to be the one where the nine-life cat lands on its feet.
     
    My point exactly. They can also spend 200 comments arguing how many angels can fit onto a needlepoint. Or discuss some other equally pressing and profitable issue.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    Don’t be so bitter. I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya’s RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening. I also imagine how AK feels after having imagined that these Noviop scum are somehow better than their equally corrupt “Western partners”. Life is sometimes made of disappointments. But if taken the right way, these disappointments are enlightening. Cheer up, the future is bright!

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Unfortunately, too many people in the world try to find solace and answers to their most existential problems at the bottom of a can of beer. BTW, I used to buy and drink Tuborg Gold as a young man, way before the imported beer phenomenon really took hold. At that time, about the only other imported beer on the shelves of my neighborhood was Heineken. I thought that it was awful tasting and the most bitter tasting beer that could be imagined. This predilection for bitter tasting beer has only been magnified with the advent of the IPA phase we're still in. Eechh! Tuborg was nice and refreshing, as I remember, but I haven't seen it here in many years....

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    Don’t be so bitter.
     
    It’s not about bitterness, it’s about a direct comparison of real life with these empty discussions. Real life wins hands down.

    I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya’s RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening.
     
    The RF, warts and all, is far from ideal, but there is a reason people always put ideals in imaginary afterlife (many religions) or in the equally imaginary distant future (Marxism). Today’s problem is, the imperial patch is a lot more corrupt than the RF. Even more disappointing is current libtards’ push to infect the imperial patch with LGBT and woke BS. Madness is a fatal disease for society, so the imperial patch is doomed. In sharp contrast, the RF remains remarkably sane in both regards.

    Science is likely an escape, but it is rewarding. You pit your wits against nature. When in your brief lifetime you figure out something that evolution spent millions of years designing and perfecting, you feel really smart. But science is an element of current civilization, which is in danger of disappearing in a fiery storm of WWIII.

    At the moment the imperial patch is ruled not by ordinary fools, but by psychopaths. The only force that stands between life as we know it and WWIII is Putin and his team. Xi has the same sane and reasonable attitude, but he is not in the driver’s seat right now.

    the future is bright!
     
    Yes, if there is going to be future, it would be better than the present. Imperial domination will end, replaced by a multi-polar world, which will be saner and friendlier to humans.

    Replies: @orchardist, @Ivashka the fool

  912. @Sean
    @Ivashka the fool


    Also, if it all really goes to full chaos, what would be the potential centers of crystallization of power
     
    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union and the USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party's hold on power. I do not see any parallel with the current situation , but were there to be chaos, Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state. So there would be no new centres geographically.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union

    Please tell me more about that.

    USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party’s hold on power

    Your outlook is peculiar, but interesting.

    Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state.

    The problem is that there’s none of it to be found in RusFed. Otherwise, Russia would have been a normal country by now.

    Problem is, Russians did not complete their nation-building before the Revolution, and then they have been pressured into becoming the Soviet People. As a result, Russians are completely disoriented as an ethnic group.

    They need to get out of this historical clusteerf☆ck that the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring put them in. Russians need at least three – four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.

    But the Globalist wouldn’t allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Ivashka the fool

    In 1988 Gorby said in a speech to the UN that “we have entered an era when progress will be shaped by universal human interests ... awareness of this dictates that world politics, too, should be guided by the primacy of universal human values.” So he gave up the Soviet raison d'etre of class war. Gorbachev’s allowed elections fpr multi-party system and created a presidency in May 1990 . Following his withdrawal of Soviet army from East Germany, Gorbachev agreed to a united Germany and even tt joining NATO. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the USSR took the US's side, and Gorby agreed to the reduction of the enormous Soviet nuclear arsenal in the START talks.

    Days after the failure of the August 1991 coup against Gorbachev, Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union; this was because it was clear that Russian ethnic assertion in the person of Yeltsin was going to take the place of Soviet ideology and Gorby's universal values.


    And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.
     
    Biden said in 2019"I want China to succeed. The idea that they're going to eat our lunch? ... because they’re so xenophobic they won’t let anybody else in, and more people are retired than working". Biden was wrong, it will be a generation hence before China more retired than working. There us a lot of wishful thinking about China and Russia's demographics mandating them necessarily ceasing to assert themselves .Has Russia? Deaths have exceeded births in Russia for three decades. However .

    In many Western countries, the peak childbearing age for women has grown older and now falls between 25 and 29; by contrast, the peak age in Russia has become younger, occurring between ages 20–24. Furthermore, by 1991, fertility between ages 15–19 exceeded that in the age groups over 30 and rivaled that of the 25–29 age group.

    This tendency towards fertility at younger ages is reflected in marriage patterns. Between 1960 and 1995, the average marrying age of women in Russia fell by 4.2 years, from 26.2 to 22.0. This trend sharply distinguishes Russia from other industrialized nations, where the tendency is for women to postpone marriage and childbearing.
     

    , @S
    @Ivashka the fool


    Russians need at least three – four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.
     
    Alas, it is the same situation with most peoples everywhere. :-(

    But the Globalist wouldn’t allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak.
     
    That's true, though I would differ with the use of the term 'dying'.

    Peoples everywhere have protested and resisted this to varying degrees. I liken it to the 'enlightened'/'progressives' having figuratively wrapped a ligature around a person's neck and then choking the life out of the person while the victim resists the best they can.

    How vigorous or loud the person's resistance is is besides the point, what matters is that they indeed resisted. That makes it no longer simply 'dying' or 'suicide, but rather murder, ie genocide of people(s) in the truest sense of that often much abused term.



    Projection definitely applies when the self described progressive goes on and on about 'genocide', typically abusing the term in regards to what they see in their mind as 'phantasmic' people(s), in relation to what they themselves in actuality push via the wholesale crude biological 'mixing' away of peoples which actually do physically exist in reality.

    That they are in denial about it doesn't change the facts. I think though that a good many of them in their heart of hearts know that what they are doing is wrong, but for whatever reason still don't stop their murderous actions.

    I think this sense of guilt might in part explain how so many of the progs seem suicidal, either collectively (see Jonestown) or individually (see how many of their personal bios end with an overdose of alcohol and barbutuates).

    It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.
     
    Yes, both a tragedy, and a very great crime, all in one.
  913. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Perhaps maybes, 2000s or 2010s, was the time when the money of Russian Jewish elites was enough to have some effects among elites even it looks like they have influence with religious authorities in Israel. .

    After 2022, Russian Jewish elites are perhaps, viewed as losers again including by the world's elites.

    At least, Kudrin is still part of the systemic liberals and nobody seems to have cared he was living in Israel last year.

    But Chubais maybe loses even the protection of the "systemic" part of the "systemic liberalism".

    There is people taking photos of Chubais, who supposedly has to wait like a normal immigrant, in the immigration office in a small village in Northern Israel.
    https://strana.today/news/434206-chubajs-vmeste-s-zhenoj-podal-zapros-v-mvd-izrailja-chtoby-poluchit-dokumenty.html

    https://strana.today/img/forall/u/11/55/5(67).jpg

    https://strana.today/img/forall/u/11/55/4(124).jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    As Arabs have it: “The return to one’s origins is preferable” (inna er-roodjuee lil’ asli fadhila).

    Or if you dislike your Semitic cousins’ pearls of wisdom, as Shrek the Ogre famously told in the DreamWorks Pictures’ movie: “better out than in”.

    https://www.jewthink.org/2020/12/15/ten-reasons-why-shrek-is-jewish/

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Their origins are 1960s or 1970s Soviet Union, some nerdy kids in the classroom. I'm not sure they want to return to their origins as ordinary people of the Soviet republics Latvia and Belarus.

    They had a few decades, pretending to be elite people, "fake elite" who are "economists" or "businessmen", although maybe never probably accepted within the international community.

    Kudrin is now allowed to do some managing related to Yandex or relations with Israel. Chubais seems to be a real exile. They could be scammers, but at least in external policy, the world would be a better planet if the systemic liberal point of view was followed instead of the security people point of view in relation to Ukraine.

    By the way, Chubais is living in Nazareth Illit now. I couldn't extract this, but maybe there are some esoterical Biblical message someone can extract from the emigration to Nazareth. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A14-30&version=NIV

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  914. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The South fought until something like 30% of its men were dead and near all of them had passed through the military, Ukraine is not going to do that in any hypothetical scenario in the context in which 60-70% of the population try to evade mobilization
     
    This was from a poll of 150 IT specialists who are readers of the website. Only 15% of those 150 people received summons.

    So the draft avoidance percentage is based on 23 people who got summoned!

    From the comments, one of the ones who didn't go complained of irregularities (he was given the summons at a market, he was involved in humanitarian projects).

    Not sure what percentage of the general population are actually avoiding the draft, but doing so is a source of shame:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/world/asia/ukraine-draft-dodgers.html

    So I doubt that it's a majority. I recall it was around 30%, but haven't found concrete numbers now. At any rate, Ukraine so far hasn't had trouble filling its ranks:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-into-war-ukraine-faces-challenges-mobilizing-troops-64dcdc49

    You are correct that on both sides, numbers are much lower than they were in the 19th and early 20th centuries. But I think the ratio is comparable to that of North Vs. South or Soviets vs. Poland. Ukrainians, defending their own lands, are a lot more motivated than Russians.

    Britain/France are supplying the Confederacy just enough to keep it fighting but not enough to win quickly
     
    Sure, but it's still a large amount of help to ensure that the North fails to win. And the help increases with time. The latest batch (Patriot system, the British shadowstorm) may be better than anything Russia has.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s not a big poll, but it’s not like one can easily poll on this question. IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment; conversely, I allow that IT specialists are likely to be less svidomy (or at least to the extent of being willing to fight for it) than social sciences and humanities graduates, such as graduates of the KSE, for instance.

    Anyhow I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years in the context of being willing to progressively raise coercion (as it has indeed been doing so) and steadily improving loss ratios vis-a-vis Russia (also happening).

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s not a big poll, but it’s not like one can easily poll on this question
     
    Sure, but 23 IT workers is such a small sample size from a a very specific population, that it’s kind of useless.

    IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment

     

    From the comments, it looks like some were doing some non-combat help which they felt was more effective for the overall war effort (and very conveniently happened to not put their physical lives in danger). Others said they weren’t in good shape to do much on a battlefield. These IT specialists might in general not be a combat capable group of people.

    But the same size of the summoned (23 people out of 150 survey respondents) was so small that one can’t draw much conclusions from it.

    The fact that only 15% of the 150 even got summoned suggests that mobilization is hardly on a mass scale and there remains a large reservoir of potential troops in Ukraine.

    And the fact that none of the people who refused faced consequences suggests that participation in the war might still be de facto voluntary.

    Anecdotally none of my male relatives have been sent off to combat, though some have registered with TD. Some others are nervous and hope they won’t get called up but have made no plans to shirk their duty, are in country, and say they will go if called, despite their nervousness, because they say it’s their duty.

    So life is as before on some level (people work, go to cafes or the beach on the Dnipro after work, stores have most things) but are always aware that they or one of their loved ones may be called up to serve, or that a Russian rocket might land somewhere. My cousin described it to me as normal life but with a constant level of low-grade fear and tension in the background, that had not existed before, added to it.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hello AK

    You wrote:


    I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years
     
    Does this view change if Russia decides to more aggressively destroy key infrastructure?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    IT specialists are uneducated?

  915. @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Sputnik & Pogrom archives proved to be a far better descriptor of it than all the Western Russophile scribblings combined, and my prime failure was not recognizing that
     
    Indeed.

    Welcome back Tolik !

    BTW, don't you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.

    Anyway, keep safe if you are still in RusFed. Times gonna be hard there in the next couple of years or so. And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?

    Any thoughts about it ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.

    It’s a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.

    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that’s unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there’s some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3)
     
    This is an excellent observation. People who blame the elites for being out of touch for not supporting any particular political attitude are most often shown to be out of touch themselves, and the elites' attitudes actually very much mainstream.

    I wonder if "Ivashka" perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there’s some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.
     
    Do you believe that Putin will run for re-election in these circumstances?

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.
     
    Attitudinal surveys suggest that the Russian people would be most comfortable folded into the "East European rightoid" sphere.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @S

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.

    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.
     
    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-refugee-question

    Interesting if true.

    "The Moor has done his duty, the Moor can go."

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.
     
    Does this also include reducing Russian corruption levels to Polish/Spanish/Portuguese levels?

    And how much immigration do you envision Russia attracting in such a scenario? I mean in terms of both high-skilled and low-skilled immigration. Would Russia be a more attractive immigration destination than the West is, and, if so, for whom?

    Russia should also develop a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of invading Ukraine just like Germany developed a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of starving WWII and engaging in the Holocaust. Westerners LOVE self-flagellation cultures, as evidenced by the West's current kowtowing before BLM.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    BTW, does it strike you that Russia should have simply avoided getting involved in Ukraine at all, even back in 2014, and instead simply opened its borders wide open for all aspiring Ukrainian immigrants in order to drain Ukraine's human capital? With Russia's reputation in Ukraine being much higher, especially without Russian support even for Crimean and Donbass separatism, many more Ukrainians might have been willing to move to Russia.

    The next best thing, of course, might have been to swiftly conquer and annex Crimea and the Donbass back in 2014 (plus/minus the Crimean Corridor, if one is passionately concerned about the water supply to Crimea), get minor Western sanctions, and then offer to make a grand bargain--at least sometime down the line--with Ukraine and the West for sanctions relief and agreement to hold free and fair UN-supervised plebiscites in these territories in exchange for Russian consent to the idea of Ukraine joining both the EU and NATO. That's the only way that Ukraine had even a remote chance of agreeing to such a deal short of it being totally conquered by Russia.

  916. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I think the Russians are allocating what rubles they can while keeping their powder dry for other potential military challenges. It seems they are still building major high tech gear for other purposes.

    In Ukraine, I think they are missing 1) More fire and forget air-to-ground weapons and DIRCM equipment to reduce aircraft losses 2) Hardkill active protection systems which would have cut tank losses. On the other hand, they may not want these systems to fall into Western hands.

    My completely amateur speculation is that everything else is going roughly according to plan after some serious command screw ups for a while. Now they don't want to rush it.

    I think this interpretation fits the observations better than "The Russians are incompetent!" when we know that is not true from other information.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Ok, thank you.

    As for your opinion of your opinion. Do you recognise that it is considered a marginal one? Do you understand that generally you will be seen as impermeable to truth or facts? What is it that makes you know these things, if indeed you’re right, better than everyone else?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It is my personal speculation based on the facts as I see them. It is intended to help people break through the propaganda and ask questions.

    There is an enormous amount of bogus rhetoric around this war. The number of stories from the pro-Kiev side shown to be lies is mind boggling.

    I am speculating in this forum to help people think on their own. We need more of that. I hope it might help in some minute way to avoid a major World War.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  917. S says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I argued quite early that Prigozhin was a jewish man that the the (((Western Press))) is promoting with free airtime and long column inches, quite out of all proportion to his military importance. He command's nothing more than a Brigade or if you like a Regiment. Even then Prigozhin is only the Wagner spokesman according to several sources.

    How come Prigozhin's survived the kind of pinpoint strikes that took out the very goyische and photogenic Daria Dugina? She was making a small name for herself and got zapped. He's the conqueror of Bahkmut apparently, we know where he is. Prigozhin also appears to have supplanted in importance the Errol Flynn lookalike and very Russian "Strelkov" in all western coverage.

    It's very very likely that Prigohzin has backchannels to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu that have not been fully explored. It's quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin's career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn't mean it'll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Matra, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    It’s quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin’s career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn’t mean it’ll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.

    According to Guido Preparata in his book Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich, the US/UK wanted the most militant manifestation of German nationalism (specifically in the form of Hitler’s National Socialism) in power in Germany so as to ensure that (1) the most damaging to Russia (and continental Europe as a whole) world war would take place, and (2) when Germany was defeated that the crushing of German identity and peoplehood would be as thorough and complete as possible.

    https://archive.org/details/conjuringhitlerh0000prep/page/n5/mode/1up

    Anthony Sutton’s financial forensic work in regards to the US/UK, Germany, and WWII also supports this hypothesis.

    None of this would preclude Stalin from attempting to use Hitler’s National Socialist Germany as a deadly pawn with which to bludgeon the US/UK and the West with, which I think he indeed tried to do, but I think his efforts were something of a weak echo in comparison to the US/UK’s doings in this area.

    So it’s not at all impossible that Prigozhin is indeed being groomed by the US/UK to be a ‘literal’ Hitler 2.0, so as to conclude the work of identity/peoplehood destruction in regards to Russia, Germany, continental Europe, and the rest of the world, that WWI and WWII had set in motion, and to clear the way for the establishment of the global super-state, the United States of the World.

    Putin (aka ‘Grandpa’) is not up to the task.

    And besides that, Prigozhin has just the right dastardly looks for this important historic role.

    • Replies: @S
    @S

    If the hypothesis is correct that Prigozhin, with his 'Wagnerites' may be a 'literal Hitler' 2.0 in the making, it would have been articles such as the one below from 2019 (one of many such articles I'd suspect) at a presumably US/UK NGO affiliated site which did much of the grooming.

    https://jfj.fund/master-and-chef-how-evgeny-prigozhin-led-the-russian-offensive-in-africa/


    Master and Chef. How Evgeny Prigozhin led the Russian offensive in Africa.

    Since 2018, Russia has started active expansion in Africa, helping various countries on the continent, politically, financially and with military assistance. At the forefront of this expansion was the “Kremlin Chef”, a shady businessman named Evgenу Prigozhin, who fell under U.S. sanctions for his interference in the US presidential election. The Project tells how this campaign was organized, based on the example of Madagascar, where the Kremlin’s plans were especially large-scale.
     
    'Kremlin Chef' has the same sort of ring to it that 'Bohemian Corporal' and 'Austrian Wallpaper Hanger' once had to it.

    Should Prigozhin take power in Russia via a coup of some type, as a 'literal Hitler' 2.0, and WWIII formally commences, will Anglosphere countries see the reworking of cartoons like the 1942 The Ducktators, but now featuring Rusfed's Prigozhin, China's Xi, and Iran's Khamenei in the place of Germany's Hitler, Japan's Tojo, and Italy's Mussolini, and with the Russian 'Z' ('zwaztika') in place of the original German swastika?

    What's that you say? Farfetched? Not at all! The US/UK has been religiously and faithfully recreating every WWII event it can in the lead up to WWIII.

    Recreating Anglosphere WWII propaganda during a coming hypothetical WWIII would make perfect sense in this context.

    https://youtu.be/TdMlqq-vL5A
  918. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.
     
    It's a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.
     
    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that's unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there's some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?
     
    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the "international community" and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1571825787736657927

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3)

    This is an excellent observation. People who blame the elites for being out of touch for not supporting any particular political attitude are most often shown to be out of touch themselves, and the elites’ attitudes actually very much mainstream.

    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there’s some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    Do you believe that Putin will run for re-election in these circumstances?

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.

    Attitudinal surveys suggest that the Russian people would be most comfortable folded into the “East European rightoid” sphere.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?
     
    Yeah, I am stuck in a glubinka Mukhosransk (Google it if you are unfamiliar with this slang). About what ordinary people think, you go here:

    https://youtu.be/KyLcR-LRq3I

    BTW, your trolling skills are sub-par...

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @S
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?
     
    I don't know how you did it, but you've obviously found him out.

    Ivashka lives as a hermit on Wrangel Island in Russia's far north, the last known refuge of the Wooly Mammoth on this Earth, where he ponders upon...well, he ponders and he ponders. And, as time allows, he then ponders some more.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangel_Island

    In regards to your accusation of his being out of touch with the thinking of the ordinary people, I can assure you that this is not so, and that his musings upon pondering are equally well received by both the elites and the 'ordinary people', the latter of whom most assuredly see in Ivashka and his pondering one of their own ordinary Russian selves.. [J/k Bashi! :-D ]

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  919. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.
     
    It's a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.
     
    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that's unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there's some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?
     
    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the "international community" and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1571825787736657927

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.

    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.

    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-refugee-question

    Interesting if true.

    “The Moor has done his duty, the Moor can go.”

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    The sourcing in this article reminds me of the sourcing in many of the more strident Russiagate articles and even some of the Dominion reporting and QAnon stuff. All of it would be interesting if true, but turned out to be fantastical literary creations packaged for online entertainment.

    If you discovered that much of your own media consumption turned out to be exactly this, consciously constructed in order to generate an audience and money, like any Hollywood movie, would you mind?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  920. @Yevardian
    @Wokechoke

    I think you might be overthinking motives here. Western press prefers to focus on Prigozhin over Strelkov for pumping out negative Russia coverage simply because of Prigozhin's repulsive appearance and behaviour (little doubt Shoigu is worse, but he doesn't make a spectacle of himself).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I’m not overthinking the Dastardlyness of the western press.

  921. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3)
     
    This is an excellent observation. People who blame the elites for being out of touch for not supporting any particular political attitude are most often shown to be out of touch themselves, and the elites' attitudes actually very much mainstream.

    I wonder if "Ivashka" perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there’s some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.
     
    Do you believe that Putin will run for re-election in these circumstances?

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.
     
    Attitudinal surveys suggest that the Russian people would be most comfortable folded into the "East European rightoid" sphere.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @S

    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    Yeah, I am stuck in a glubinka Mukhosransk (Google it if you are unfamiliar with this slang). About what ordinary people think, you go here:

    BTW, your trolling skills are sub-par…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Love the synthetic beige and brown kilim on the wall (you see a lot of the same in Ukraine, where they also can easily find beautiful handmade kilims with Ukrainian motifs). :-)

  922. @Matra
    @Greasy William

    Judging by his/her comments some kind of embittered troll-like character with a Putin fixation who uses effeminate shaming language. For example above:

    Unfortunately he is hopelessly insecure and the world thinks he is a loser

    Skimming through other comments from today only!

    You seem to trust a dwarf dictator who started this war by lying

    His Jewish chef has supposedly consorted with the enemy. This would be a good time to quit defending the dwarf

    The Putin defenders like Wokechoke are at least acknowledging the Jewish chef.

    Some non-Putin but very neoconnish comments that you would never catch a WN or paleocon saying:Qaddafi was a bastard and his people would have gotten him without our help

    The US is not the cause of all problems. Psychopaths like Qaddafi predate the existence of America. Sometimes the people get fed up and go after them

    Back to Putin: He is just a power hungry dwarf

    The psychopath is in the Kremlin. A little dwarf psychopath

    Putin uses Novichok and Polonium as calling cards...Putin also kills people the old fashioned way

    It’s really sad that you went from being an insightful independent-left racial realist to defending a mass murdering dwarf

    We don’t need defenders of a mass murdering dwarf and his orc invasion that is currently failing

    Instead of doing P.R. work for the dwarf dictator and his T-55 Armada maybe you should volunteer

    Those are just a small sample of JJ's posts on May 16 only; there are many more, almost all raging about Russia.

    I'm going to guess JJ is a neocon or libtard pretending to be a right winger in order to appeal to them to stop supporting Putin/Russia but not knowledgeable enough about the target audience to be able to pull it off. Though hysterical, probably not female like LatW - who has the most womanish writing style I've ever seen here.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s pretty obvious that he is a leftist posing in right wing clothing. He wears certain talking points that have been processed through the good will of rightists and have been rejected as too shabbygoy.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, the right know a lot more about the left than vice versa. Right wingers have no choice but to pay attention to leftoid media and government so they learn about them, meanwhile leftists get virtually all their knowledge of the right from leftist sources like TV talk show hosts. My favourite is when they think they're scoring big time by saying Jesus was a person of colour, apparently unaware that it is religious conservatives who are the most stubbornly colour blind people on the right.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  923. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I don't know what you mean about Macgregor. I don't think he is willing to go as far as my suggestion that the Russians are intentionally grinding down (killing) the AFU and NeoNazis slowly so these men don't have to be dealt with after the SMO when they may cause major problems for reconstruction. This will be a problem no matter what, but the Russians may be trying to minimize it. They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.

    Publically Macgregor cannot go there. From his professional soldier perspective you blow everything up then capture a bunch of people. They go to prison camps for a few years. The survivors eventiually get out. Maybe they try to live normal lives or maybe they stir up trouble. The US military doesn't care too much since it happens in a distant foreign country.

    What the Russians seem to be doing is more direct but also nastier since they don't have any qualms about killing any bad guy who is likely to turn into a guerilla. Because of the nature of this war I imagine a lot of AFU prisoners would immediately become guerrillas when released.

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don't like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.

    All surveys say that support for the EU and NATO has strengthened greatly because of this war.

    In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don’t like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.

    You guess that Russia is currently conducting a methodical campaign to kill all Ukrainian men between 16-50, so as to extinguish any future guerrilla movements before they start?

    Does the West have moral culpability for this too?

    Will future Ukrainians, at least those that remain, also blame this on the West and not Russia? It’d be a historical first.

    How does this square with the released Ukrainian figures of just 13,000 operational fatalities? Are they lying by a factor of 30? If so, who are they lying to? I don’t believe it could be to the Ukrainian people who, given the scale of the numbers suggested by Russia sympathetic sources, would absolutely know the truth?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?
     
    EU has not been weakened, but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can't fight. They will send money, arms, make speeches, brutally bomb weaker countries from far away - but their skin will never be in the fight. They can kill, but can't die. Unless that changes - and I don't know how - that is in the long-run devastating.

    Nato started out as an armed enforcer for the Western order, for talkers sitting in the back rooms who don't fight and risk lives - now Nato has become effectively like those people. Maybe Nato needs its own 'Nato' for actual wars - and Ukies volunteered.

    Nato eastward march is stalled, unless Kiev manages to win. Officially consolidating Finland-Sweden, who were de facto in Nato, is a small symbolic win to cover the strategic loss.


    Will future Ukrainians...also blame this on the West and not Russia? It’d be a historical first.
     
    No, it would not. Countries suffering huge war losses always also blame their leaders - WW1 General Haig is not popular in UK. The survivors and the relatives become embittered - after WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq...Even in Russia a lot of the revulsion against Stalin and commies had to do with the blood spilled in WW2.

    With Ukies the most likely target of regrets and sorrow will be Zelko and his gang of Kiev-Galician nationalists. People do not like to die and suffer, they put up with it as it happens, but once it is over, the regrets come in. This is inevitable if Kiev doesn't accomplish something tangible with the sacrifices.

    Regarding losses, Kiev is understating them by at least an order of magnitude. They are destroying the country both demographically and economically. The question is for what? Unlike WW2, nobody was coming to 'exterminate' them, this was a war of choice for Kiev. They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for? There was the Minsk deal for 8 years assuring peace...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn't seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine. A second reason the Ukrainian government wildly understates casualties is to protect their own hides from the citizens.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

  924. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    It seems that you think an international conspiracy of Jews has made Prigozhin famous for their own ends instead of Igor Girkin. Did they appoint him head of the only part of Russia's force that has advanced in months, while demoting Girkin to marginalised Russian-language podcaster?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Wagner is a Brigade or a Regiment. Around 5,000 men, probably less. The level of coverage that Prigozhin enjoys is quite out of proportion to anything he could be accomplishing with a force that size. Long column inches and free airtime. The spring board to politics is obvious. The coverage in the western press is absurd.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    My impression of the media coverage was that it was uniformly mocking until Wagner appeared to be the only group within the Russian military able to achieve successes on the ground. Mocking doesn't seem to be great PR, but I know little about PR and assume an "international Jewish conspiracy" would be the world's repository of expertise on this subject.

    Do you believe in an international Jewish conspiracy? And, if so, what are its common aims?

  925. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia. These countries are all allies of Ukraine and declared enemies of Vladimir Putin.

    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.
     
    https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-refugee-question

    Interesting if true.

    "The Moor has done his duty, the Moor can go."

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The sourcing in this article reminds me of the sourcing in many of the more strident Russiagate articles and even some of the Dominion reporting and QAnon stuff. All of it would be interesting if true, but turned out to be fantastical literary creations packaged for online entertainment.

    If you discovered that much of your own media consumption turned out to be exactly this, consciously constructed in order to generate an audience and money, like any Hollywood movie, would you mind?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    If you discovered that much of your own media consumption turned out to be exactly this, consciously constructed in order to generate an audience and money, like any Hollywood movie, would you mind?
     
    I have written above that your trolling skills are sub-par. You have confirmed my opinion.

    🙂
  926. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Wagner is a Brigade or a Regiment. Around 5,000 men, probably less. The level of coverage that Prigozhin enjoys is quite out of proportion to anything he could be accomplishing with a force that size. Long column inches and free airtime. The spring board to politics is obvious. The coverage in the western press is absurd.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    My impression of the media coverage was that it was uniformly mocking until Wagner appeared to be the only group within the Russian military able to achieve successes on the ground. Mocking doesn’t seem to be great PR, but I know little about PR and assume an “international Jewish conspiracy” would be the world’s repository of expertise on this subject.

    Do you believe in an international Jewish conspiracy? And, if so, what are its common aims?

  927. @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN

    Don't be so bitter. I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya's RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening. I also imagine how AK feels after having imagined that these Noviop scum are somehow better than their equally corrupt "Western partners". Life is sometimes made of disappointments. But if taken the right way, these disappointments are enlightening. Cheer up, the future is bright!

    https://youtu.be/q8cl8lyhn6w

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    Unfortunately, too many people in the world try to find solace and answers to their most existential problems at the bottom of a can of beer. BTW, I used to buy and drink Tuborg Gold as a young man, way before the imported beer phenomenon really took hold. At that time, about the only other imported beer on the shelves of my neighborhood was Heineken. I thought that it was awful tasting and the most bitter tasting beer that could be imagined. This predilection for bitter tasting beer has only been magnified with the advent of the IPA phase we’re still in. Eechh! Tuborg was nice and refreshing, as I remember, but I haven’t seen it here in many years….

  928. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.
     
    All surveys say that support for the EU and NATO has strengthened greatly because of this war.

    In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don’t like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.
     
    You guess that Russia is currently conducting a methodical campaign to kill all Ukrainian men between 16-50, so as to extinguish any future guerrilla movements before they start?

    Does the West have moral culpability for this too?

    Will future Ukrainians, at least those that remain, also blame this on the West and not Russia? It'd be a historical first.

    How does this square with the released Ukrainian figures of just 13,000 operational fatalities? Are they lying by a factor of 30? If so, who are they lying to? I don't believe it could be to the Ukrainian people who, given the scale of the numbers suggested by Russia sympathetic sources, would absolutely know the truth?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    …In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?

    EU has not been weakened, but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can’t fight. They will send money, arms, make speeches, brutally bomb weaker countries from far away – but their skin will never be in the fight. They can kill, but can’t die. Unless that changes – and I don’t know how – that is in the long-run devastating.

    Nato started out as an armed enforcer for the Western order, for talkers sitting in the back rooms who don’t fight and risk lives – now Nato has become effectively like those people. Maybe Nato needs its own ‘Nato’ for actual wars – and Ukies volunteered.

    Nato eastward march is stalled, unless Kiev manages to win. Officially consolidating Finland-Sweden, who were de facto in Nato, is a small symbolic win to cover the strategic loss.

    Will future Ukrainians…also blame this on the West and not Russia? It’d be a historical first.

    No, it would not. Countries suffering huge war losses always also blame their leaders – WW1 General Haig is not popular in UK. The survivors and the relatives become embittered – after WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq…Even in Russia a lot of the revulsion against Stalin and commies had to do with the blood spilled in WW2.

    With Ukies the most likely target of regrets and sorrow will be Zelko and his gang of Kiev-Galician nationalists. People do not like to die and suffer, they put up with it as it happens, but once it is over, the regrets come in. This is inevitable if Kiev doesn’t accomplish something tangible with the sacrifices.

    Regarding losses, Kiev is understating them by at least an order of magnitude. They are destroying the country both demographically and economically. The question is for what? Unlike WW2, nobody was coming to ‘exterminate‘ them, this was a war of choice for Kiev. They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for? There was the Minsk deal for 8 years assuring peace…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can’t fight
     
    What do you mean by "official"? It is not a widely held opinion.

    Nato eastward march is stalled
     
    You believe that NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?

    I am having a problem squaring these two.


    They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for?
     
    The Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting and dying, believe they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country. What do you believe privileges you to know better their motivations than them? I don't mean this dismissively, as it is normal in political discussions to assume groups' motivations, but usually there is an explanation for why such insight is possessed.

    I also looked back through your comments and saw that you were consistently bullish on Russian prospects. Had the war gone like you predicted, it would have been finished with a complete Russian victory many times over. Has the fact of Russia's withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint and question your previous assumptions? If so/not, why so/not?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

  929. @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?
     
    Yeah, I am stuck in a glubinka Mukhosransk (Google it if you are unfamiliar with this slang). About what ordinary people think, you go here:

    https://youtu.be/KyLcR-LRq3I

    BTW, your trolling skills are sub-par...

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Love the synthetic beige and brown kilim on the wall (you see a lot of the same in Ukraine, where they also can easily find beautiful handmade kilims with Ukrainian motifs). 🙂

  930. @songbird
    Curious how Japan, which is perceived as being very open to robots, does not seem to be as approving of AI.
    Though it seems China is more approving.
    https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1657238246655393792?s=20

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Triteleia Laxa

    It might be related to the aversion there to surveillance and invasion of privacy–

    https://www.techspot.com/news/83061-report-finds-us-has-largest-number-surveillance-cameras.html

    Anyways, PRC has potential to set the standard for AI, and AI safety. Whereas Japan and Europe can play along with US and/or China.

    Most pathetic is RusFed which doesn’t even have a plan for a plan.

  931. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?
     
    EU has not been weakened, but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can't fight. They will send money, arms, make speeches, brutally bomb weaker countries from far away - but their skin will never be in the fight. They can kill, but can't die. Unless that changes - and I don't know how - that is in the long-run devastating.

    Nato started out as an armed enforcer for the Western order, for talkers sitting in the back rooms who don't fight and risk lives - now Nato has become effectively like those people. Maybe Nato needs its own 'Nato' for actual wars - and Ukies volunteered.

    Nato eastward march is stalled, unless Kiev manages to win. Officially consolidating Finland-Sweden, who were de facto in Nato, is a small symbolic win to cover the strategic loss.


    Will future Ukrainians...also blame this on the West and not Russia? It’d be a historical first.
     
    No, it would not. Countries suffering huge war losses always also blame their leaders - WW1 General Haig is not popular in UK. The survivors and the relatives become embittered - after WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Iraq...Even in Russia a lot of the revulsion against Stalin and commies had to do with the blood spilled in WW2.

    With Ukies the most likely target of regrets and sorrow will be Zelko and his gang of Kiev-Galician nationalists. People do not like to die and suffer, they put up with it as it happens, but once it is over, the regrets come in. This is inevitable if Kiev doesn't accomplish something tangible with the sacrifices.

    Regarding losses, Kiev is understating them by at least an order of magnitude. They are destroying the country both demographically and economically. The question is for what? Unlike WW2, nobody was coming to 'exterminate' them, this was a war of choice for Kiev. They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for? There was the Minsk deal for 8 years assuring peace...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can’t fight

    What do you mean by “official”? It is not a widely held opinion.

    Nato eastward march is stalled

    You believe that NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?

    I am having a problem squaring these two.

    They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for?

    The Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting and dying, believe they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country. What do you believe privileges you to know better their motivations than them? I don’t mean this dismissively, as it is normal in political discussions to assume groups’ motivations, but usually there is an explanation for why such insight is possessed.

    I also looked back through your comments and saw that you were consistently bullish on Russian prospects. Had the war gone like you predicted, it would have been finished with a complete Russian victory many times over. Has the fact of Russia’s withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint and question your previous assumptions? If so/not, why so/not?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?...I am having a problem squaring these two.
     
    It is like the story about an emperor with no clothes...that may help you square the two ideas...:)

    Making it official means that although Nato's unwillingness to shed its own blood was widely suspected, in Ukraine Russia called their bluff. It is complicated and there are nuances, but when the chips were down Nato stayed on the sidelines.


    Has the fact of Russia’s withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint
     
    My views always reflect the present moment. Russia under-powered the war and Ukies turned out to be more willing or obedient to die in a hopeless war. I still think the odds are around 80% that Russia will prevail - I can't see too many other outcomes. We could escalate to nukes, or there could be a coup in Moscow - but those are very low probability events. Grinding the Ukies down is more likely. Look at history how these things usually go.

    they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country
     
    That's a slogan. The two points over which the war is fought are: Nato membership and the Russian minority rights - or lack of them. Domination is not a definable term; is US dominating Germany? Is Russia dominating Belarus? You have to be more precise when sending people to die.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Hello Hello Hello it’s Laxa!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  932. @songbird
    Curious how Japan, which is perceived as being very open to robots, does not seem to be as approving of AI.
    Though it seems China is more approving.
    https://twitter.com/whyvert/status/1657238246655393792?s=20

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Triteleia Laxa

    These types of surveys suffer from being unable to discern the strength of respondents’ beliefs and therefore how likely they will change their mind. A lot of people in developed countries vaguely think of Microsoft’s clippy and Indian call centres when they consider AI.

  933. Sean says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union
     
    Please tell me more about that.

    USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party’s hold on power
     
    Your outlook is peculiar, but interesting.

    Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state.
     
    The problem is that there's none of it to be found in RusFed. Otherwise, Russia would have been a normal country by now.

    Problem is, Russians did not complete their nation-building before the Revolution, and then they have been pressured into becoming the Soviet People. As a result, Russians are completely disoriented as an ethnic group.

    They need to get out of this historical clusteerf☆ck that the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring put them in. Russians need at least three - four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.

    But the Globalist wouldn't allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    Replies: @Sean, @S

    In 1988 Gorby said in a speech to the UN that “we have entered an era when progress will be shaped by universal human interests … awareness of this dictates that world politics, too, should be guided by the primacy of universal human values.” So he gave up the Soviet raison d’etre of class war. Gorbachev’s allowed elections fpr multi-party system and created a presidency in May 1990 . Following his withdrawal of Soviet army from East Germany, Gorbachev agreed to a united Germany and even tt joining NATO. When Saddam invaded Kuwait, the USSR took the US’s side, and Gorby agreed to the reduction of the enormous Soviet nuclear arsenal in the START talks.

    Days after the failure of the August 1991 coup against Gorbachev, Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union; this was because it was clear that Russian ethnic assertion in the person of Yeltsin was going to take the place of Soviet ideology and Gorby’s universal values.

    And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    Biden said in 2019″I want China to succeed. The idea that they’re going to eat our lunch? … because they’re so xenophobic they won’t let anybody else in, and more people are retired than working”. Biden was wrong, it will be a generation hence before China more retired than working. There us a lot of wishful thinking about China and Russia’s demographics mandating them necessarily ceasing to assert themselves .Has Russia? Deaths have exceeded births in Russia for three decades. However .

    In many Western countries, the peak childbearing age for women has grown older and now falls between 25 and 29; by contrast, the peak age in Russia has become younger, occurring between ages 20–24. Furthermore, by 1991, fertility between ages 15–19 exceeded that in the age groups over 30 and rivaled that of the 25–29 age group.

    This tendency towards fertility at younger ages is reflected in marriage patterns. Between 1960 and 1995, the average marrying age of women in Russia fell by 4.2 years, from 26.2 to 22.0. This trend sharply distinguishes Russia from other industrialized nations, where the tendency is for women to postpone marriage and childbearing.

  934. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Ok, thank you.

    As for your opinion of your opinion. Do you recognise that it is considered a marginal one? Do you understand that generally you will be seen as impermeable to truth or facts? What is it that makes you know these things, if indeed you're right, better than everyone else?

    Replies: @QCIC

    It is my personal speculation based on the facts as I see them. It is intended to help people break through the propaganda and ask questions.

    There is an enormous amount of bogus rhetoric around this war. The number of stories from the pro-Kiev side shown to be lies is mind boggling.

    I am speculating in this forum to help people think on their own. We need more of that. I hope it might help in some minute way to avoid a major World War.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Your purpose on this forum is to teach people how to think so that we might avoid WW3?

    Replies: @QCIC

  935. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It is my personal speculation based on the facts as I see them. It is intended to help people break through the propaganda and ask questions.

    There is an enormous amount of bogus rhetoric around this war. The number of stories from the pro-Kiev side shown to be lies is mind boggling.

    I am speculating in this forum to help people think on their own. We need more of that. I hope it might help in some minute way to avoid a major World War.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Your purpose on this forum is to teach people how to think so that we might avoid WW3?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am not teaching anything, simply making a few outside the box suggestions. I am not trolling, I think these possibilities I mention have a connection to the reality beyond our computer screens.

    I also acknowledge there are factors at play outside the public discussion whose importance may far outweigh all the CNN and RT articles in the World.

    What is your purpose here?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  936. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    It's not a big poll, but it's not like one can easily poll on this question. IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment; conversely, I allow that IT specialists are likely to be less svidomy (or at least to the extent of being willing to fight for it) than social sciences and humanities graduates, such as graduates of the KSE, for instance.

    Anyhow I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years in the context of being willing to progressively raise coercion (as it has indeed been doing so) and steadily improving loss ratios vis-a-vis Russia (also happening).

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s not a big poll, but it’s not like one can easily poll on this question

    Sure, but 23 IT workers is such a small sample size from a a very specific population, that it’s kind of useless.

    IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment

    From the comments, it looks like some were doing some non-combat help which they felt was more effective for the overall war effort (and very conveniently happened to not put their physical lives in danger). Others said they weren’t in good shape to do much on a battlefield. These IT specialists might in general not be a combat capable group of people.

    But the same size of the summoned (23 people out of 150 survey respondents) was so small that one can’t draw much conclusions from it.

    The fact that only 15% of the 150 even got summoned suggests that mobilization is hardly on a mass scale and there remains a large reservoir of potential troops in Ukraine.

    And the fact that none of the people who refused faced consequences suggests that participation in the war might still be de facto voluntary.

    Anecdotally none of my male relatives have been sent off to combat, though some have registered with TD. Some others are nervous and hope they won’t get called up but have made no plans to shirk their duty, are in country, and say they will go if called, despite their nervousness, because they say it’s their duty.

    So life is as before on some level (people work, go to cafes or the beach on the Dnipro after work, stores have most things) but are always aware that they or one of their loved ones may be called up to serve, or that a Russian rocket might land somewhere. My cousin described it to me as normal life but with a constant level of low-grade fear and tension in the background, that had not existed before, added to it.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    Male Ukrainian ethnic Russians still in the country and 18 years' of age or older don't just get 'called up', the authorities come for them.

  937. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    It's not a big poll, but it's not like one can easily poll on this question. IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment; conversely, I allow that IT specialists are likely to be less svidomy (or at least to the extent of being willing to fight for it) than social sciences and humanities graduates, such as graduates of the KSE, for instance.

    Anyhow I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years in the context of being willing to progressively raise coercion (as it has indeed been doing so) and steadily improving loss ratios vis-a-vis Russia (also happening).

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Hello AK

    You wrote:

    I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years

    Does this view change if Russia decides to more aggressively destroy key infrastructure?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @QCIC

    The time to do that was before NATO saturated Ukraine with advanced AD assets, so, at the very start, or last winter at the very latest. Russia failed then (bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators, in addition to failing to surge production of missiles) and I don't see how it can succeed now if the West remains committed to making good Ukraine's AD attrition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

  938. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    Your purpose on this forum is to teach people how to think so that we might avoid WW3?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I am not teaching anything, simply making a few outside the box suggestions. I am not trolling, I think these possibilities I mention have a connection to the reality beyond our computer screens.

    I also acknowledge there are factors at play outside the public discussion whose importance may far outweigh all the CNN and RT articles in the World.

    What is your purpose here?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    It strikes me that any belief or suggestion of yours is justified by you to you as merely an equal and opposite reaction to what you perceive as the malevolence of international news media entertainment.

    This means that you therefore have a blank cheque to speculate or act as you wish because it is fair in this context. You did not start it. You are just defending yourself.

    Is this a reasonable approximation?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

  939. Bakhmut has fallen, several elite Ukrainian units got badly mauled in the stalled counter attack.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-kofman-lees-urgent-new

    No doubt the Judeo-Hibernian junta in the White House are desperate to call time on the Ukraine, the question is whether Russia will play along, I would say a firm niet!

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    I still don't buy that Bakhmut is a big deal in and of itself. The real question is the Ukrainian offensive (not counter offensive! A counter offensive is a response to an ongoing attack. Even people who really should no better are calling it a counter offensive) in the south. If that attack fails or doesn't happen at all, the US is going to have to cut a deal with Russia to end hostilities.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  940. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    You are right. It is painful to watch people endlessly arguing about the real reasons of this war when everything is so recent and so clear. The Russian troops were about to return to their barracks after finishing their routine exercises when Ukraine started shelling Russian agricultural land across the border. I remember the RT and Sputnik reports of these provocations as if it had happened yesterday but I forget if it was a destroyed barn or a burned tractor that left Putin with no choice but to march on Kiev. How can people forget such crucial events?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    There is a young man from outside Moscow who I started speaking to after he contacted me on Telegram. Despite coming from a middle class, anti Putin family, he 100% believed that Ukraine was attacking Russia

  941. An interesting article about Odessa’s wartime transformation:

    https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/how-war-made-odessa-more-ukrainian/

    It is lost to Russia.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    From the article:

    "The city is no stranger to identity shifts: up until the mid-nineteenth century most of its street names were actually in Italian."

    Thirty years to tip it West, 20 years to tip it back East.

    Perhaps after Ukraine is partitioned post-SMO, Odessa will become a free port again.

  942. @LondonBob
    Bakhmut has fallen, several elite Ukrainian units got badly mauled in the stalled counter attack.

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/analysis-of-kofman-lees-urgent-new

    No doubt the Judeo-Hibernian junta in the White House are desperate to call time on the Ukraine, the question is whether Russia will play along, I would say a firm niet!

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I still don’t buy that Bakhmut is a big deal in and of itself. The real question is the Ukrainian offensive (not counter offensive! A counter offensive is a response to an ongoing attack. Even people who really should no better are calling it a counter offensive) in the south. If that attack fails or doesn’t happen at all, the US is going to have to cut a deal with Russia to end hostilities.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Ukrainians appear to be confident that they can outlast Russia in a war for Ukraine, though a successful summer offensive that ends in the decisive defeat of Russia's military, either in the South or East of Ukraine, leading Russia's humiliation, and the deposal of Putin, seems to be their theory of victory. Their intended result would be Ukraine being safe from Russian invasion forever and a potentially peaceful and equal relationship with their neighbour to the East. Outlasting Russia in Ukraine would only achieve the first part of this.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  943. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am not teaching anything, simply making a few outside the box suggestions. I am not trolling, I think these possibilities I mention have a connection to the reality beyond our computer screens.

    I also acknowledge there are factors at play outside the public discussion whose importance may far outweigh all the CNN and RT articles in the World.

    What is your purpose here?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It strikes me that any belief or suggestion of yours is justified by you to you as merely an equal and opposite reaction to what you perceive as the malevolence of international news media entertainment.

    This means that you therefore have a blank cheque to speculate or act as you wish because it is fair in this context. You did not start it. You are just defending yourself.

    Is this a reasonable approximation?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    As an American I believe freedom of speech, free exchange of ideas and rejection of censorship are some of the most important concepts we hold. These things must be exercised to be meaningful. I think my informed speculation may have some value to people that have been stuck in an echo chamber most of their lives. Even free-thinking Unz readers have blind spots, we all do.

    I don't have a blank check, just the opposite. Most of the opinions I write here are fully serious, but I acknowledge there is no crystal ball. I'm not a specialist in these military areas, if I were I would write elsewhere or not at all. Sometimes I toss in a little humor, usually one can tell from the smiley face. Unfortunately there is not much to smile about in the Ukraine mess, just lies and blood all around.

    Why are you here?

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Laxa honey, is that you again ?

    😄

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

  944. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    They also seem to be weakening NATO and the EU the longer this drags on.
     
    All surveys say that support for the EU and NATO has strengthened greatly because of this war.

    In what way do you think these institutions have been weakened?

    This is just a guess on my part. No one here is mean enough to weigh in on this discussion. Just as well, it is dehumanizing. I don’t like it, but I think it could be what we are seeing.
     
    You guess that Russia is currently conducting a methodical campaign to kill all Ukrainian men between 16-50, so as to extinguish any future guerrilla movements before they start?

    Does the West have moral culpability for this too?

    Will future Ukrainians, at least those that remain, also blame this on the West and not Russia? It'd be a historical first.

    How does this square with the released Ukrainian figures of just 13,000 operational fatalities? Are they lying by a factor of 30? If so, who are they lying to? I don't believe it could be to the Ukrainian people who, given the scale of the numbers suggested by Russia sympathetic sources, would absolutely know the truth?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn’t seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine. A second reason the Ukrainian government wildly understates casualties is to protect their own hides from the citizens.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine.
     
    My impression is that the Ukrainians have loudly publicised their losses whenever they felt they needed more military support. This is the opposite of the dynamic you are suggesting.

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn’t seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.
     
    And that this foresight is leading them to conduct an ongoing methodical genocide of Ukrainians.

    What do you think makes this invasion worth that?

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete.

    They call it a war now. You can stop calling it a SMO. Putin calls it a war and breaks his own censorship law.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else.

    We don't know the losses of either side.

    MacGregor told us that Ukraine is using teenage boys and old men because of high losses. Those numbers are from his "inside sources" that he doesn't disclose. He also tells us every month that Ukraine is about to collapse.

    Do these look like boys?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoyeGiOB_Vc

    The days of delusion are coming to an end. Next time don't follow a war by isolating yourself to pro-Russian sources.

    Replies: @QCIC

  945. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    I still don't buy that Bakhmut is a big deal in and of itself. The real question is the Ukrainian offensive (not counter offensive! A counter offensive is a response to an ongoing attack. Even people who really should no better are calling it a counter offensive) in the south. If that attack fails or doesn't happen at all, the US is going to have to cut a deal with Russia to end hostilities.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Ukrainians appear to be confident that they can outlast Russia in a war for Ukraine, though a successful summer offensive that ends in the decisive defeat of Russia’s military, either in the South or East of Ukraine, leading Russia’s humiliation, and the deposal of Putin, seems to be their theory of victory. Their intended result would be Ukraine being safe from Russian invasion forever and a potentially peaceful and equal relationship with their neighbour to the East. Outlasting Russia in Ukraine would only achieve the first part of this.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I believe Russia has already given up on conquering Ukraine, or if they haven' yet, they will eventually. The West will fight to the last to prevent Russia from conquering Ukraine or turning it into a puppet state.

    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  946. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    It strikes me that any belief or suggestion of yours is justified by you to you as merely an equal and opposite reaction to what you perceive as the malevolence of international news media entertainment.

    This means that you therefore have a blank cheque to speculate or act as you wish because it is fair in this context. You did not start it. You are just defending yourself.

    Is this a reasonable approximation?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    As an American I believe freedom of speech, free exchange of ideas and rejection of censorship are some of the most important concepts we hold. These things must be exercised to be meaningful. I think my informed speculation may have some value to people that have been stuck in an echo chamber most of their lives. Even free-thinking Unz readers have blind spots, we all do.

    I don’t have a blank check, just the opposite. Most of the opinions I write here are fully serious, but I acknowledge there is no crystal ball. I’m not a specialist in these military areas, if I were I would write elsewhere or not at all. Sometimes I toss in a little humor, usually one can tell from the smiley face. Unfortunately there is not much to smile about in the Ukraine mess, just lies and blood all around.

    Why are you here?

  947. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn't seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine. A second reason the Ukrainian government wildly understates casualties is to protect their own hides from the citizens.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine.

    My impression is that the Ukrainians have loudly publicised their losses whenever they felt they needed more military support. This is the opposite of the dynamic you are suggesting.

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn’t seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.

    And that this foresight is leading them to conduct an ongoing methodical genocide of Ukrainians.

    What do you think makes this invasion worth that?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The notion I floated to explain Russian tactics would not be a genocide. We know this because the Russians have avoided civilian casualties to an unprecedented degree in the fighting. It is a war so there still are too many civilian deaths which are made worse since the Ukrainians use civilians as human shields.

    On the other hand, the murders in the Donbass by Ukrainian troops have been widely viewed as genocide since they have intentionally attacked women and children. I think the Ukrainian NeoNazi battalions such as the Azov brigade and other armed groups sympathetic to the Ukrainian Nazi "hero" Bandera have played a role in this genocide.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  948. QCIC says:
    @AP
    An interesting article about Odessa’s wartime transformation:

    https://engelsbergideas.com/essays/how-war-made-odessa-more-ukrainian/

    It is lost to Russia.

    Replies: @QCIC

    From the article:

    “The city is no stranger to identity shifts: up until the mid-nineteenth century most of its street names were actually in Italian.”

    Thirty years to tip it West, 20 years to tip it back East.

    Perhaps after Ukraine is partitioned post-SMO, Odessa will become a free port again.

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  949. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can’t fight
     
    What do you mean by "official"? It is not a widely held opinion.

    Nato eastward march is stalled
     
    You believe that NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?

    I am having a problem squaring these two.


    They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for?
     
    The Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting and dying, believe they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country. What do you believe privileges you to know better their motivations than them? I don't mean this dismissively, as it is normal in political discussions to assume groups' motivations, but usually there is an explanation for why such insight is possessed.

    I also looked back through your comments and saw that you were consistently bullish on Russian prospects. Had the war gone like you predicted, it would have been finished with a complete Russian victory many times over. Has the fact of Russia's withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint and question your previous assumptions? If so/not, why so/not?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    …NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?…I am having a problem squaring these two.

    It is like the story about an emperor with no clothes…that may help you square the two ideas…:)

    Making it official means that although Nato’s unwillingness to shed its own blood was widely suspected, in Ukraine Russia called their bluff. It is complicated and there are nuances, but when the chips were down Nato stayed on the sidelines.

    Has the fact of Russia’s withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint

    My views always reflect the present moment. Russia under-powered the war and Ukies turned out to be more willing or obedient to die in a hopeless war. I still think the odds are around 80% that Russia will prevail – I can’t see too many other outcomes. We could escalate to nukes, or there could be a coup in Moscow – but those are very low probability events. Grinding the Ukies down is more likely. Look at history how these things usually go.

    they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country

    That’s a slogan. The two points over which the war is fought are: Nato membership and the Russian minority rights – or lack of them. Domination is not a definable term; is US dominating Germany? Is Russia dominating Belarus? You have to be more precise when sending people to die.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them? I would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA.

    Death to America

    Replies: @Beckow

  950. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Ukrainians appear to be confident that they can outlast Russia in a war for Ukraine, though a successful summer offensive that ends in the decisive defeat of Russia's military, either in the South or East of Ukraine, leading Russia's humiliation, and the deposal of Putin, seems to be their theory of victory. Their intended result would be Ukraine being safe from Russian invasion forever and a potentially peaceful and equal relationship with their neighbour to the East. Outlasting Russia in Ukraine would only achieve the first part of this.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I believe Russia has already given up on conquering Ukraine, or if they haven’ yet, they will eventually. The West will fight to the last to prevent Russia from conquering Ukraine or turning it into a puppet state.

    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William


    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years
     
    Is this your theory of Russian victory?

    I don't understand the mechanism of how the US will be "forced"? Forced by what? At what cost if they do not comply?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  951. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?...I am having a problem squaring these two.
     
    It is like the story about an emperor with no clothes...that may help you square the two ideas...:)

    Making it official means that although Nato's unwillingness to shed its own blood was widely suspected, in Ukraine Russia called their bluff. It is complicated and there are nuances, but when the chips were down Nato stayed on the sidelines.


    Has the fact of Russia’s withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint
     
    My views always reflect the present moment. Russia under-powered the war and Ukies turned out to be more willing or obedient to die in a hopeless war. I still think the odds are around 80% that Russia will prevail - I can't see too many other outcomes. We could escalate to nukes, or there could be a coup in Moscow - but those are very low probability events. Grinding the Ukies down is more likely. Look at history how these things usually go.

    they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country
     
    That's a slogan. The two points over which the war is fought are: Nato membership and the Russian minority rights - or lack of them. Domination is not a definable term; is US dominating Germany? Is Russia dominating Belarus? You have to be more precise when sending people to die.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them? I would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA.

    Death to America

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them?
     
    No, I would not. But the event is too far fetched and imprecise to have a reasoned response. It is kind of like saying, if France invaded or the Martians. Why would they? What is the context?

    The inability to see wars in their full context is a huge problem. It leads to shallow sloganeering and chest pumping. Wars are about actual 'things' - the people not willing to even consider what those reasons are suffer from a form of adult retardation.

    Replies: @Greasy William


  952. Anybody knows if somebody ever did Scandi DNA samples regarding the times of Roman empire ending? Ostrogoths or Vandals could have been Scandinavian too?

  953. S says:
    @S
    @Wokechoke


    It’s quite likely that when the dust settles that Prigozhin’s career tracks to executive power will be greased by MI6, SBU, CIA and Mossad. Doesn’t mean it’ll be popular with Russian military officers and other Russian figures.
     
    According to Guido Preparata in his book Conjuring Hitler: How Britain and America Made the Third Reich, the US/UK wanted the most militant manifestation of German nationalism (specifically in the form of Hitler's National Socialism) in power in Germany so as to ensure that (1) the most damaging to Russia (and continental Europe as a whole) world war would take place, and (2) when Germany was defeated that the crushing of German identity and peoplehood would be as thorough and complete as possible.

    https://archive.org/details/conjuringhitlerh0000prep/page/n5/mode/1up

    Anthony Sutton's financial forensic work in regards to the US/UK, Germany, and WWII also supports this hypothesis.

    None of this would preclude Stalin from attempting to use Hitler's National Socialist Germany as a deadly pawn with which to bludgeon the US/UK and the West with, which I think he indeed tried to do, but I think his efforts were something of a weak echo in comparison to the US/UK's doings in this area.

    So it's not at all impossible that Prigozhin is indeed being groomed by the US/UK to be a 'literal' Hitler 2.0, so as to conclude the work of identity/peoplehood destruction in regards to Russia, Germany, continental Europe, and the rest of the world, that WWI and WWII had set in motion, and to clear the way for the establishment of the global super-state, the United States of the World.

    Putin (aka 'Grandpa') is not up to the task.

    And besides that, Prigozhin has just the right dastardly looks for this important historic role.

    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5RtgNf20D0Y/UOx_KeYP4II/AAAAAAAABlE/ky7fwPLUhQA/s280/2%2BLex.jpg

    Replies: @S

    If the hypothesis is correct that Prigozhin, with his ‘Wagnerites’ may be a ‘literal Hitler’ 2.0 in the making, it would have been articles such as the one below from 2019 (one of many such articles I’d suspect) at a presumably US/UK NGO affiliated site which did much of the grooming.

    https://jfj.fund/master-and-chef-how-evgeny-prigozhin-led-the-russian-offensive-in-africa/

    Master and Chef. How Evgeny Prigozhin led the Russian offensive in Africa.

    Since 2018, Russia has started active expansion in Africa, helping various countries on the continent, politically, financially and with military assistance. At the forefront of this expansion was the “Kremlin Chef”, a shady businessman named Evgenу Prigozhin, who fell under U.S. sanctions for his interference in the US presidential election. The Project tells how this campaign was organized, based on the example of Madagascar, where the Kremlin’s plans were especially large-scale.

    ‘Kremlin Chef’ has the same sort of ring to it that ‘Bohemian Corporal’ and ‘Austrian Wallpaper Hanger’ once had to it.

    Should Prigozhin take power in Russia via a coup of some type, as a ‘literal Hitler’ 2.0, and WWIII formally commences, will Anglosphere countries see the reworking of cartoons like the 1942 The Ducktators, but now featuring Rusfed’s Prigozhin, China’s Xi, and Iran’s Khamenei in the place of Germany’s Hitler, Japan’s Tojo, and Italy’s Mussolini, and with the Russian ‘Z’ (‘zwaztika’) in place of the original German swastika?

    What’s that you say? Farfetched? Not at all! The US/UK has been religiously and faithfully recreating every WWII event it can in the lead up to WWIII.

    Recreating Anglosphere WWII propaganda during a coming hypothetical WWIII would make perfect sense in this context.

  954. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them? I would enthusiastically collaborate with a Russian invasion of the USA.

    Death to America

    Replies: @Beckow

    …If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them?

    No, I would not. But the event is too far fetched and imprecise to have a reasoned response. It is kind of like saying, if France invaded or the Martians. Why would they? What is the context?

    The inability to see wars in their full context is a huge problem. It leads to shallow sloganeering and chest pumping. Wars are about actual ‘things’ – the people not willing to even consider what those reasons are suffer from a form of adult retardation.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Russia isn't going to invade America, but I know that I would support a Russian invasion of the US simply because I hate the US that much. Don't you hate your own government?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Keypusher

  955. @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN

    Don't be so bitter. I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya's RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening. I also imagine how AK feels after having imagined that these Noviop scum are somehow better than their equally corrupt "Western partners". Life is sometimes made of disappointments. But if taken the right way, these disappointments are enlightening. Cheer up, the future is bright!

    https://youtu.be/q8cl8lyhn6w

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    Don’t be so bitter.

    It’s not about bitterness, it’s about a direct comparison of real life with these empty discussions. Real life wins hands down.

    I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya’s RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening.

    The RF, warts and all, is far from ideal, but there is a reason people always put ideals in imaginary afterlife (many religions) or in the equally imaginary distant future (Marxism). Today’s problem is, the imperial patch is a lot more corrupt than the RF. Even more disappointing is current libtards’ push to infect the imperial patch with LGBT and woke BS. Madness is a fatal disease for society, so the imperial patch is doomed. In sharp contrast, the RF remains remarkably sane in both regards.

    Science is likely an escape, but it is rewarding. You pit your wits against nature. When in your brief lifetime you figure out something that evolution spent millions of years designing and perfecting, you feel really smart. But science is an element of current civilization, which is in danger of disappearing in a fiery storm of WWIII.

    At the moment the imperial patch is ruled not by ordinary fools, but by psychopaths. The only force that stands between life as we know it and WWIII is Putin and his team. Xi has the same sane and reasonable attitude, but he is not in the driver’s seat right now.

    the future is bright!

    Yes, if there is going to be future, it would be better than the present. Imperial domination will end, replaced by a multi-polar world, which will be saner and friendlier to humans.

    • Replies: @orchardist
    @AnonfromTN

    Well said!

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN


    Real life wins hands down.
     
    Of course it does. As Yahya wrote, all this posting here - it is all just good conversation. I hope you never took all that too seriously.

    And I agree that G-protein coupled receptors are interesting, especially when it comes to their signaling crosstalk. There is true complexity to be found into it. IIRC most (all ?) Serotonin receptors are 7TM GCPR.

    I wish you good luck with the project and your research to be published in a nice peer reviewed journal with a high impact factor. Seeing one's work recognized by one's peers is a major source of satisfaction.

    Когда Бог в помощь и люди не в обузу!

    🙂

  956. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson

    I'm confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn't you be supporting Putin?

    Replies: @Matra, @John Johnson

    I’m confused, are you a WN? If so, shouldn’t you be supporting Putin?

    I’m not a White nationalist and have never claimed to be one. I am a racial realist. That means I accept the reality of race. You can have a variety of political opinions while accepting a biological reality. I reject liberalism but I’m not a right winger and certainly not mainstream right. I think the “free market” right is just as full of shit.

    As for White nationalists I don’t see why they would support Putin.

    Russian Slavs have been in population decline since 1991.
    https://healthpolicy-watch.news/russia-population-drop/

    Russia has the world’s highest abortion rate.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/abortion-rates-by-country

    The largest Muslim population in Europe
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Russia

    They also have hate crime laws where talking about the biology of race can land you in prison.

    Ukraine was actually criticized by the UN for not taking in Syrian refugees. They along with Poland and Hungary were criticized by globalist groups for not taking in Muslims.

    So no I don’t see why White nationalists would back Putin. He is a dictator that boasts of Russia being a multi-racial and multi-religious country. I thought he was going after NeoNazis? His Unz defenders don’t even seem to agree on why he is in Ukraine.

  957. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I believe Russia has already given up on conquering Ukraine, or if they haven' yet, they will eventually. The West will fight to the last to prevent Russia from conquering Ukraine or turning it into a puppet state.

    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years

    Is this your theory of Russian victory?

    I don’t understand the mechanism of how the US will be “forced”? Forced by what? At what cost if they do not comply?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t understand the mechanism of how the US will be “forced”? Forced by what?
     
    Forced by political/budgetary constraints.

    The only reason that the US can spend over $200 billion on year on this war is because it is able to literally just print the money it needs to pay for it. But the US is already in a recession (it just doesn't know it yet) and the markets are going to crash in the fall. The US is not going to be able to send Ukraine $200+ billion when the deficit is $2 trillion, the Dow is at 15k and unemployment is at 7%, if it appears like the fighting has reached a stalemate. Especially not during an election season when Trump is going to demagogue the hell out of the Ukraine aid.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  958. @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn't seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine. A second reason the Ukrainian government wildly understates casualties is to protect their own hides from the citizens.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @John Johnson

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete.

    They call it a war now. You can stop calling it a SMO. Putin calls it a war and breaks his own censorship law.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else.

    We don’t know the losses of either side.

    MacGregor told us that Ukraine is using teenage boys and old men because of high losses. Those numbers are from his “inside sources” that he doesn’t disclose. He also tells us every month that Ukraine is about to collapse.

    Do these look like boys?

    The days of delusion are coming to an end. Next time don’t follow a war by isolating yourself to pro-Russian sources.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I suggested that Russia will keep fighting until Ukraine is out of men (and boys) and women who are willing to fight them. I never said Ukraine was out of fighting men.

    Like I said before, I will keep calling it the SMO until the White Swans bomb a major Ukrainian city. This will be a horrible thing so I hope to stick with SMO indefinitely.

    JJ, why are you so eager to start WW3?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  959. @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...If Russia invaded Slovakia, would you support them?
     
    No, I would not. But the event is too far fetched and imprecise to have a reasoned response. It is kind of like saying, if France invaded or the Martians. Why would they? What is the context?

    The inability to see wars in their full context is a huge problem. It leads to shallow sloganeering and chest pumping. Wars are about actual 'things' - the people not willing to even consider what those reasons are suffer from a form of adult retardation.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Russia isn’t going to invade America, but I know that I would support a Russian invasion of the US simply because I hate the US that much. Don’t you hate your own government?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    Not really, they are incompetent, too liberal and too insecure, but they won the elections.

    I have issues with one-man-one-vote because it places everyone on the same level - and we are not - but that is the system in place.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Keypusher
    @Greasy William

    Don’t you understand that if Russia invaded the USA, assuming the world didn’t get blown to smithereens, tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians would die? I think Russia is waging an evil war of aggression, but I’m not rooting for the death of Russian civilians or the dismemberment of the country.

    If you really feel that way, kindly get out of the United States. Traitors are disgusting.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  960. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William


    However, if Ukraine is unable to subject Russia to a clear military defeat, the US will have no choice but to drop the sanctions and grant Russia recognition of its current territorial conquests. And the West will have to at least unofficially agree that Ukraine will not become part of NATO and that Ukraine will not be provided with long range weapons. Economic/political problems in the United States will keep the US from funding this conflict past another couple of years
     
    Is this your theory of Russian victory?

    I don't understand the mechanism of how the US will be "forced"? Forced by what? At what cost if they do not comply?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I don’t understand the mechanism of how the US will be “forced”? Forced by what?

    Forced by political/budgetary constraints.

    The only reason that the US can spend over $200 billion on year on this war is because it is able to literally just print the money it needs to pay for it. But the US is already in a recession (it just doesn’t know it yet) and the markets are going to crash in the fall. The US is not going to be able to send Ukraine $200+ billion when the deficit is $2 trillion, the Dow is at 15k and unemployment is at 7%, if it appears like the fighting has reached a stalemate. Especially not during an election season when Trump is going to demagogue the hell out of the Ukraine aid.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.

    Is your theory of Russian military victory therefore based on relying on imminent US collapse as a country?

    If that happens, do you think Eastern European countries will also abandon Ukraine?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

  961. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC


    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else. The main customers for the lies are the citizens in the countries whose politicians support Ukraine.
     
    My impression is that the Ukrainians have loudly publicised their losses whenever they felt they needed more military support. This is the opposite of the dynamic you are suggesting.

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete. This concern may influence their combat tactics. That notion doesn’t seem too Earth shattering to me, but it is something one can think about.
     
    And that this foresight is leading them to conduct an ongoing methodical genocide of Ukrainians.

    What do you think makes this invasion worth that?

    Replies: @QCIC

    The notion I floated to explain Russian tactics would not be a genocide. We know this because the Russians have avoided civilian casualties to an unprecedented degree in the fighting. It is a war so there still are too many civilian deaths which are made worse since the Ukrainians use civilians as human shields.

    On the other hand, the murders in the Donbass by Ukrainian troops have been widely viewed as genocide since they have intentionally attacked women and children. I think the Ukrainian NeoNazi battalions such as the Azov brigade and other armed groups sympathetic to the Ukrainian Nazi “hero” Bandera have played a role in this genocide.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    The intentional wiping out of large sections of a population fits most definitions of genocide.

    The Ukrainian Donbas conflict, on the other hand, had very few total casualties prior to this invasion, therefore it does not. Unless you are trying to argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

  962. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I don’t understand the mechanism of how the US will be “forced”? Forced by what?
     
    Forced by political/budgetary constraints.

    The only reason that the US can spend over $200 billion on year on this war is because it is able to literally just print the money it needs to pay for it. But the US is already in a recession (it just doesn't know it yet) and the markets are going to crash in the fall. The US is not going to be able to send Ukraine $200+ billion when the deficit is $2 trillion, the Dow is at 15k and unemployment is at 7%, if it appears like the fighting has reached a stalemate. Especially not during an election season when Trump is going to demagogue the hell out of the Ukraine aid.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.

    Is your theory of Russian military victory therefore based on relying on imminent US collapse as a country?

    If that happens, do you think Eastern European countries will also abandon Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't think the US will collapse as a country, but I think it will lose the ability to get Ukraine aid packages through Congress.

    I don't see a US collapse in my lifetime but I do see the dollar collapsing in the early/mid 2030's. I don't think the European countries will ever abandon Ukraine but I do think they will concede to Ukraine becoming a de facto buffer state like Armenia was for Rome and Parthia

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.
     
    During the mid terms the GOP won the House. This will lead to cuts in spending on a foreign war.

    relying on imminent US collapse as a country?
     
    Are you a troll? Or, a moronic Leftoid?

    This jump is so hyperbolic if defies any semblance of cognition.

    You have been equally unethical in deliberately misquoting QCIC. Only a dishonest Anti-Semite would conflate De-Nazification with genocide.

    Why do you hate Jews & defend Nazis?

    PEACE 😇
  963. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The notion I floated to explain Russian tactics would not be a genocide. We know this because the Russians have avoided civilian casualties to an unprecedented degree in the fighting. It is a war so there still are too many civilian deaths which are made worse since the Ukrainians use civilians as human shields.

    On the other hand, the murders in the Donbass by Ukrainian troops have been widely viewed as genocide since they have intentionally attacked women and children. I think the Ukrainian NeoNazi battalions such as the Azov brigade and other armed groups sympathetic to the Ukrainian Nazi "hero" Bandera have played a role in this genocide.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The intentional wiping out of large sections of a population fits most definitions of genocide.

    The Ukrainian Donbas conflict, on the other hand, had very few total casualties prior to this invasion, therefore it does not. Unless you are trying to argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?
     
    What did they intend? Can you tell us? Whatever it was, it wasn't good.

    Donbas with 5-7 million people was the second richest and economically important region. It is Russian speaking and always voted for close ties with Russia.

    After 2014 'revolution' Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools, there was the Odessa massacre of Russians, and the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian.

    So what was the plan? In 2021, Zelko - a supposed moderate - stated that Russians if they don't like it should pack up and go to Russia. Can anyone imagine the Flemish in Belgium saying that to the French there? Or Finns to its Swedish minority? This was madness and the fact that EU pretended it wasn't happening is one of the main reasons there is a war now. EU failed - its 'values' turned out to be fake. There is no coming back from that.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    , @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Live by the sword, die by the sword"

    This phrase can be applied to combat soldiers such as the Ukrainian forces: If you want to live, stop fighting. If you want to die for your cause, keep fighting. This is separate from genocide.

    You may be confused about some aspects of the situation in Ukraine.

    Mercury, why do you want WW3 to start? It will be bad for everyone.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  964. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Russia isn't going to invade America, but I know that I would support a Russian invasion of the US simply because I hate the US that much. Don't you hate your own government?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Keypusher

    Not really, they are incompetent, too liberal and too insecure, but they won the elections.

    I have issues with one-man-one-vote because it places everyone on the same level – and we are not – but that is the system in place.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    I don't even remember what it feels like to not hate my country. I'm not sure if I envy you or pity you

  965. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I am saying the Russian military has enough foresight to be concerned about managing the complex situation in Ukraine after the combat phase of the SMO is complete.

    They call it a war now. You can stop calling it a SMO. Putin calls it a war and breaks his own censorship law.

    The Ukrainians understate their losses for obvious reasons. If they repeat the lies often enough and loudly enough, people believe the lies even when they know better. Same as everywhere else.

    We don't know the losses of either side.

    MacGregor told us that Ukraine is using teenage boys and old men because of high losses. Those numbers are from his "inside sources" that he doesn't disclose. He also tells us every month that Ukraine is about to collapse.

    Do these look like boys?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoyeGiOB_Vc

    The days of delusion are coming to an end. Next time don't follow a war by isolating yourself to pro-Russian sources.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I suggested that Russia will keep fighting until Ukraine is out of men (and boys) and women who are willing to fight them. I never said Ukraine was out of fighting men.

    Like I said before, I will keep calling it the SMO until the White Swans bomb a major Ukrainian city. This will be a horrible thing so I hope to stick with SMO indefinitely.

    JJ, why are you so eager to start WW3?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I suggested that Russia will keep fighting until Ukraine is out of men (and boys) and women who are willing to fight them. I never said Ukraine was out of fighting men.

    I said MacGregor told us they were out of men.

    That was months ago.

    JJ, why are you so eager to start WW3?

    I do not want WW3. I would like the dictator to deescalate the situation by returning to his borders.

  966. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    The intentional wiping out of large sections of a population fits most definitions of genocide.

    The Ukrainian Donbas conflict, on the other hand, had very few total casualties prior to this invasion, therefore it does not. Unless you are trying to argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    …argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?

    What did they intend? Can you tell us? Whatever it was, it wasn’t good.

    Donbas with 5-7 million people was the second richest and economically important region. It is Russian speaking and always voted for close ties with Russia.

    After 2014 ‘revolution’ Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools, there was the Odessa massacre of Russians, and the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian.

    So what was the plan? In 2021, Zelko – a supposed moderate – stated that Russians if they don’t like it should pack up and go to Russia. Can anyone imagine the Flemish in Belgium saying that to the French there? Or Finns to its Swedish minority? This was madness and the fact that EU pretended it wasn’t happening is one of the main reasons there is a war now. EU failed – its ‘values’ turned out to be fake. There is no coming back from that.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    I can't find any evidence to support your allegations about Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    After 2014 ‘revolution’ Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools
     
    A lie.

    After the 2014 revolution, Ukraine cancelled the unpopular law of 2011 that made Russian a second official language in certain regions.

    Russian was no more "banned" in 2014 than it had been in 1991-2011.

    Years later, Russian was phased out out of secondary schools. It was never eliminated from primary schools.

    I think it will be totally removed now, as a consequence of this war.

    there was the Odessa massacre of Russians
     
    A street brawl started by pro-Russian, whose first victim was a pro-Ukrainian shot dead by a pro-Russians, that ended when the pro-Russians retreated to a building that caught fire (not even known whether it was caused by an accident because the pro-Russian had stockpiled Molotov cocktails, or by the pro-Ukrainians throwing Molotov cocktails because both sides were throwing them) where 42 died.

    the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian
     
    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?
     
    You can't help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  967. QCIC says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    The intentional wiping out of large sections of a population fits most definitions of genocide.

    The Ukrainian Donbas conflict, on the other hand, had very few total casualties prior to this invasion, therefore it does not. Unless you are trying to argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    “Live by the sword, die by the sword”

    This phrase can be applied to combat soldiers such as the Ukrainian forces: If you want to live, stop fighting. If you want to die for your cause, keep fighting. This is separate from genocide.

    You may be confused about some aspects of the situation in Ukraine.

    Mercury, why do you want WW3 to start? It will be bad for everyone.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    You were alleging that Russia has been fighting as it has in order to cull the Ukrainian population, rather than take Kiev and end the war. Or whatever territory would allow them to do so. You argued this was necessary to stave off a future insurgency. Do you think the benefits to you and Russia make all of that death and destruction worth it? Because I still can't identify any benefits.

    I hardly think this ongoing invasion of Ukraine by Russia makes WW3 less likely, but perhaps you can explain why you think that is so?

    Replies: @A123

  968. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.

    Is your theory of Russian military victory therefore based on relying on imminent US collapse as a country?

    If that happens, do you think Eastern European countries will also abandon Ukraine?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    I don’t think the US will collapse as a country, but I think it will lose the ability to get Ukraine aid packages through Congress.

    I don’t see a US collapse in my lifetime but I do see the dollar collapsing in the early/mid 2030’s. I don’t think the European countries will ever abandon Ukraine but I do think they will concede to Ukraine becoming a de facto buffer state like Armenia was for Rome and Parthia

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet, given that it is much higher than the majority of similar areas for spending and it enjoys bipartisan Congressional support too.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  969. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.

    Is your theory of Russian military victory therefore based on relying on imminent US collapse as a country?

    If that happens, do you think Eastern European countries will also abandon Ukraine?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    In the first year of the war, the US delivered $75 billion aid in total. That is less than 7.5% of the US security budget.

    During the mid terms the GOP won the House. This will lead to cuts in spending on a foreign war.

    relying on imminent US collapse as a country?

    Are you a troll? Or, a moronic Leftoid?

    This jump is so hyperbolic if defies any semblance of cognition.

    You have been equally unethical in deliberately misquoting QCIC. Only a dishonest Anti-Semite would conflate De-Nazification with genocide.

    Why do you hate Jews & defend Nazis?

    PEACE 😇

  970. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    intellectual nationalism
     
    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn't a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views. There is the indication he wasn't part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov's zoo.

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children's story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn't care, because if the laundry machine the raison d'être of the system why would it be its weakness.

    unlike the ultra-competitive Moscow. Probably more free in some ways, too.
     

    Yes, it's freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.

    So, Moscow, they had enough money to convert to the digital gulag, but they would never have enough investment in half of the country.

    Although unfortunately, it is still less budget needed to add microphones in the schools, than to have clean water sources.


    It’s a pure Z project, and he has a lot of nostalgic

     

    A lot of the theme, is like "we have a young person "fashionable looking person" who respects the older generation".

    He is sending a good message to the kids, he should continue that and tell them
     
    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.

    It's the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.

    It's why he the special connection with the youth, because it's how they still teach everyone in school. Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18. Until you are 18, all the teachers present like there will be "successful career" and improving the world as the future engineers, scientists and doctors. But this future of jobs and world the education system prepares youth for, is the ghost which doesn't exist in the region since the 1980s.


    Russia) are still in a very bad spot, where it’s a mix of old school feminism and rather outwardly traditional attitudes
     
    It's overall, feeling more like matriarchy than patriarchy. In the first day of school, every child in the classroom knows, the girls are more privileged than the boys, not without reason. They are doing better school work, they are more responsible people, probably they are more intelligent, at least this was the impression of youth.

    This is still matched in the reality of life in Russia, even when most of the population are losers in a resource extraction colony, smore women generally more upward mobile, more organized, living better than men.

    She is the best commentator about Israel in my opinion, which few reporters describe, but her views especially about Russia, are biased from her gender, if she believes men are privileged in Russia.

    She's an example of the most pedantic well organized kind of women in Russia, with good survival skills and upward mobile. The way those YouTubers produce videos, reminds of the girls from the first day in school, with the neat and organized books.

    She's from Chelyabinsk, from ordinary background I guess. Without having profession, without husband with profession. Within a few years of emigration , she is talking how she organized Israeli middle class life, posting about the $600,000 apartment, all pedantically, managing a few children. If the Russian army was organized like this.


    they are both busy and that’s why they manage those TFRs. It looks like the sex ratio

     

    Something she talks about, but they don't say in other places is how the secular Jews go to bed early.

    If it's 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can't see Russian people, it's lots of Israelis everywhere. If it's 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn't go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.

    It's one of the main things about Jewish culture, which somehow isn't in the stereotypes. To say negatively, they are perhaps on average more boring, or to say positively, they are more nonprocrastinating.

    Replies: @LatW

    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn’t a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views.

    He is not a loser either way, externally or internally. He has tremendous fortitude. By the way, apparently he is sitting in the same cell where Dmitry Demushkin (a Russian nationalist) was once sitting. I wasn’t thinking of Navalny though since he’s not particularly intellectual (although not dumb). He may have had “unfashionable” views as you say (as if that was relevant when it comes to ideology, lol), but his persona was quite progressive (not in the Western sense, but in the sense that he is not a vatnik).

    [MORE]

    There is the indication he wasn’t part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov’s zoo.

    No, that’s why he is where he is. 🙁 He has lost a lot of weight… 🙁

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children’s story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn’t care, because if the laundry machine the raison d’être of the system why would it be its weakness.

    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they “don’t care” as you imply, many don’t care, but some do care.

    Yes, it’s freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.

    Yea, this is what happens in some cases in such areas, in the US as well, this is partly where American libertarianism derives its strength from. Some parts of the North might be that way as well (but in Scandinavia they try to compensate with solidarity to alleviate this). This mental independence and freedom is very attractive, but it may also not always be safe if you encounter bad people (there are no institutions to help you). However, most people in those areas are good. They are rugged but kind folks.

    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.

    I will have to listen to the “My home” lyrics once again to see where exactly he said it. That’s important because his cultural background is somewhat “Soviet friendly” (understandably so, given the context).

    It’s the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.

    It is sort of that way, but in his case the “brotherly” peoples are also about his own dvizh, in his dvizh everyone is a brother and sister.

    Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18.

    One of his themes is the life of teenagers and their challenges of becoming borderline delinquent. He plays with that idea because it has “an edge” and can resonate with his working class kids audience. In songs such as Малый повзрослел.

    By the way, I looked into it and he gave up a lot. His message re: Ukraine was more stern than it at first seemed. He may not be able to go to Russia now. He’s giving up hundreds of thousands of euros probably, for his stance. This is truly admirable. Especially since he is not a Zmagar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists (this is worth thinking about).

    With Luka now being seriously ill, who knows how things will go.

    Only the warmest thoughts for Max Korzh and his people. 🙏

    If it’s 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can’t see Russian people, it’s lots of Israelis everywhere. If it’s 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn’t go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.

    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    not a loser either way, externally or internally
     
    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a "negative energy" (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).

    Maybe it's subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though. Also there is a positive impression from his family.


    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they “don’t care” as you imply, many don’t care, but some do care.


     

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It's the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn't seem to care, without knowing so much less.

    It's the reason Black Star, is not only accepted, but it's a pro-government. Describing the laundry machine is an indication of dominance for the population.

    "Correct attitude" of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect. You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn't view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.

    -

    It's bad for the ego to say, but it's not so different when Kadyrov's cousins throw Germany's annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village.

    It's a sign of the family's power and the response of the local people is respect and fear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbka_njVwA


    That’s important because his cultural background is somewhat “Soviet friendly” (understandably so, given the context).
     
    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.

    It's how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.


    gar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists
     
    He's not anti-nationalist. It's the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples' right of self-determination.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly. In Ukraine, the concerts before 2020 were like festival of a gentle version of the Ukrainian nationalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU.


    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

     

    I'm not sure conservative is the accurate concept. Maybe the more accurate is, "more sensible". In the classical literature in the 19th century like Dostoevsky, nobody is sleeping.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.

    Replies: @LatW

  971. S says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3)
     
    This is an excellent observation. People who blame the elites for being out of touch for not supporting any particular political attitude are most often shown to be out of touch themselves, and the elites' attitudes actually very much mainstream.

    I wonder if "Ivashka" perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there’s some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.
     
    Do you believe that Putin will run for re-election in these circumstances?

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.
     
    Attitudinal surveys suggest that the Russian people would be most comfortable folded into the "East European rightoid" sphere.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @S

    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?

    I don’t know how you did it, but you’ve obviously found him out.

    Ivashka lives as a hermit on Wrangel Island in Russia’s far north, the last known refuge of the Wooly Mammoth on this Earth, where he ponders upon…well, he ponders and he ponders. And, as time allows, he then ponders some more.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangel_Island

    In regards to your accusation of his being out of touch with the thinking of the ordinary people, I can assure you that this is not so, and that his musings upon pondering are equally well received by both the elites and the ‘ordinary people’, the latter of whom most assuredly see in Ivashka and his pondering one of their own ordinary Russian selves.. [J/k Bashi! 😀 ]

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Since you've practically doxed old Ivashka out, I don't think that there's any harm in posting the one and only photo/video clip of him that I've been able to locate, he being the only resident currently living on the island (along with his aide).

    https://youtu.be/hA76ffTu650
    Ivashka once described himself as being "dark and swarthy", and as you can see, he wasn't kidding! :-)

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

  972. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, you found this forum in the Qanon conspiracy part of the internet, people here are not very normal or intelligent. We will be less intelligent, to say mildly, than people you know in real life who understand about real of life topics like proteins. But you still enjoy posting here.

    This is the old internet, where people still write in forums, which almost doesn't exist today. We are like people who are exchanging cassette tapes, when everyone is using Spotify.

    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can't have high standards where you find them.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can’t have high standards where you find them.

    He’s too old to abandon this format and go to more modern venues of discussion. And so am I. We continue communicating in full sentences that give way to paragraphs and use emoticons sparingly, if at all. The younger generations don’t communicate like that any more. In fact, they consider that type of writing very uncool, as I was recently reminded when someone saw me writing a long sentence in a whatsapp message. Unlike him, I do value many of the discussions here though. I don’t know where he expects to find a blog where the discussions have any real-life impact. On the course of a war launched by people who don’t use the internet, no less.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I recommend optimism.

    Always remember the concept of six degrees of separation. This idea is more relevant now than ever and might be the only good thing about Twitter. Sure it has a dark side, like everything else.

  973. @Mikel
    @Dmitry


    Perhaps the intelligent people nowadays are arguing in the comments section of TikTok videos, but you want to exchange cassette tapes so you can’t have high standards where you find them.
     
    He's too old to abandon this format and go to more modern venues of discussion. And so am I. We continue communicating in full sentences that give way to paragraphs and use emoticons sparingly, if at all. The younger generations don't communicate like that any more. In fact, they consider that type of writing very uncool, as I was recently reminded when someone saw me writing a long sentence in a whatsapp message. Unlike him, I do value many of the discussions here though. I don't know where he expects to find a blog where the discussions have any real-life impact. On the course of a war launched by people who don't use the internet, no less.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I recommend optimism.

    Always remember the concept of six degrees of separation. This idea is more relevant now than ever and might be the only good thing about Twitter. Sure it has a dark side, like everything else.

  974. @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hello AK

    You wrote:


    I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years
     
    Does this view change if Russia decides to more aggressively destroy key infrastructure?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The time to do that was before NATO saturated Ukraine with advanced AD assets, so, at the very start, or last winter at the very latest. Russia failed then (bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators, in addition to failing to surge production of missiles) and I don’t see how it can succeed now if the West remains committed to making good Ukraine’s AD attrition.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Anatoly Karlin

    are you still down with the Russians with Attitude guys? Rolo Slavisky, who I assume you are friendly with, HAAAATES them

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK wrote,


    "...bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators..."
     
    I think this is one of the very telling aspects of Russia's war. People can argue over the meaning, but it seems extremely important. I think a missile hit on a transformer is more of a warning than a real attack, since in some cases it would be easier to destroy the larger power plant.

    "...in addition to failing to surge production of missiles..."
     
    My impression is they have fired a lot of missiles in the past year. I took it for granted they are cranking them out. I don't know if they would publish anything believable on production rates. My view is that missiles are very difficult to develop, but very straightforward to build. Production of the Zircon might be an exception if the possible SCRAMJET technology is still being matured.
    , @Wokechoke
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Easy enough. China does something. Somewhere to Someone.

  975. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s not a big poll, but it’s not like one can easily poll on this question
     
    Sure, but 23 IT workers is such a small sample size from a a very specific population, that it’s kind of useless.

    IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment

     

    From the comments, it looks like some were doing some non-combat help which they felt was more effective for the overall war effort (and very conveniently happened to not put their physical lives in danger). Others said they weren’t in good shape to do much on a battlefield. These IT specialists might in general not be a combat capable group of people.

    But the same size of the summoned (23 people out of 150 survey respondents) was so small that one can’t draw much conclusions from it.

    The fact that only 15% of the 150 even got summoned suggests that mobilization is hardly on a mass scale and there remains a large reservoir of potential troops in Ukraine.

    And the fact that none of the people who refused faced consequences suggests that participation in the war might still be de facto voluntary.

    Anecdotally none of my male relatives have been sent off to combat, though some have registered with TD. Some others are nervous and hope they won’t get called up but have made no plans to shirk their duty, are in country, and say they will go if called, despite their nervousness, because they say it’s their duty.

    So life is as before on some level (people work, go to cafes or the beach on the Dnipro after work, stores have most things) but are always aware that they or one of their loved ones may be called up to serve, or that a Russian rocket might land somewhere. My cousin described it to me as normal life but with a constant level of low-grade fear and tension in the background, that had not existed before, added to it.

    Replies: @Sean

    Male Ukrainian ethnic Russians still in the country and 18 years’ of age or older don’t just get ‘called up’, the authorities come for them.

  976. @Wokechoke
    @Matra

    It’s pretty obvious that he is a leftist posing in right wing clothing. He wears certain talking points that have been processed through the good will of rightists and have been rejected as too shabbygoy.

    Replies: @Matra

    Yes, the right know a lot more about the left than vice versa. Right wingers have no choice but to pay attention to leftoid media and government so they learn about them, meanwhile leftists get virtually all their knowledge of the right from leftist sources like TV talk show hosts. My favourite is when they think they’re scoring big time by saying Jesus was a person of colour, apparently unaware that it is religious conservatives who are the most stubbornly colour blind people on the right.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Matra

    This is true. Plenty of racially aware white people would not consider the historical or biological Jesus as a fellow white anyway. He's a kike guru who founded a deracinated and ultimately degenerate cult, in many cases. Other whites might find Christianity as a useful bulwark against racial encroachment by Jews Muslims etc.

    The Hard Right is very aware of novelties spawned from the left.

  977. @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    Not really, they are incompetent, too liberal and too insecure, but they won the elections.

    I have issues with one-man-one-vote because it places everyone on the same level - and we are not - but that is the system in place.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I don’t even remember what it feels like to not hate my country. I’m not sure if I envy you or pity you

  978. @Anatoly Karlin
    @QCIC

    The time to do that was before NATO saturated Ukraine with advanced AD assets, so, at the very start, or last winter at the very latest. Russia failed then (bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators, in addition to failing to surge production of missiles) and I don't see how it can succeed now if the West remains committed to making good Ukraine's AD attrition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    are you still down with the Russians with Attitude guys? Rolo Slavisky, who I assume you are friendly with, HAAAATES them

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Greasy William

    Regarding my attitudes towards RWA and Rolo, it is precisely the other way round.

  979. @Greasy William
    @Anatoly Karlin

    are you still down with the Russians with Attitude guys? Rolo Slavisky, who I assume you are friendly with, HAAAATES them

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Regarding my attitudes towards RWA and Rolo, it is precisely the other way round.

  980. @S
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I wonder if “Ivashka” perhaps lives in a particularly isolated part of Russia and therefore has less understanding of how ordinary people think?
     
    I don't know how you did it, but you've obviously found him out.

    Ivashka lives as a hermit on Wrangel Island in Russia's far north, the last known refuge of the Wooly Mammoth on this Earth, where he ponders upon...well, he ponders and he ponders. And, as time allows, he then ponders some more.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrangel_Island

    In regards to your accusation of his being out of touch with the thinking of the ordinary people, I can assure you that this is not so, and that his musings upon pondering are equally well received by both the elites and the 'ordinary people', the latter of whom most assuredly see in Ivashka and his pondering one of their own ordinary Russian selves.. [J/k Bashi! :-D ]

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Since you’ve practically doxed old Ivashka out, I don’t think that there’s any harm in posting the one and only photo/video clip of him that I’ve been able to locate, he being the only resident currently living on the island (along with his aide).

    Ivashka once described himself as being “dark and swarthy”, and as you can see, he wasn’t kidding! 🙂

    • Replies: @S
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, you're being quite naughty Mr Hack with that picture.

    I'm sure that if Ivashka had said that about himself being 'dark and swarthy' that he was either joking, exagerrating in some fashion perhaps, or had simply overdid it at at the beach one summer in search of getting the proverbial 'perfect tan'. ;-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The older I get and the more I look like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    From the pov of music, I listen to more laid-back ans simple songs these days:

    https://youtu.be/gMqsL4emCq4

    About the kilim rugs, there is something peculiar in the Slav love for these ковры:

    https://s14.stc.yc.kpcdn.net/share/i/12/12126963/de-1200x900.jpg

    Not that I plan to top my Jeep with one of these.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yahya

  981. Battle of the Nations
    Serbia Denmark

  982. QCIC says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @QCIC

    The time to do that was before NATO saturated Ukraine with advanced AD assets, so, at the very start, or last winter at the very latest. Russia failed then (bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators, in addition to failing to surge production of missiles) and I don't see how it can succeed now if the West remains committed to making good Ukraine's AD attrition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    AK wrote,

    “…bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators…”

    I think this is one of the very telling aspects of Russia’s war. People can argue over the meaning, but it seems extremely important. I think a missile hit on a transformer is more of a warning than a real attack, since in some cases it would be easier to destroy the larger power plant.

    “…in addition to failing to surge production of missiles…”

    My impression is they have fired a lot of missiles in the past year. I took it for granted they are cranking them out. I don’t know if they would publish anything believable on production rates. My view is that missiles are very difficult to develop, but very straightforward to build. Production of the Zircon might be an exception if the possible SCRAMJET technology is still being matured.

  983. S says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Sean


    The Cold war ended years before the fall of the Soviet Union
     
    Please tell me more about that.

    USSR came apart not because of popular unrest against authority but because the forces of repression (including the army) tried to stop Gorbachev giving up the Communist Party’s hold on power
     
    Your outlook is peculiar, but interesting.

    Russian ethnic exclusivity would be the basis for a new state.
     
    The problem is that there's none of it to be found in RusFed. Otherwise, Russia would have been a normal country by now.

    Problem is, Russians did not complete their nation-building before the Revolution, and then they have been pressured into becoming the Soviet People. As a result, Russians are completely disoriented as an ethnic group.

    They need to get out of this historical clusteerf☆ck that the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring put them in. Russians need at least three - four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.

    But the Globalist wouldn't allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak. It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    Replies: @Sean, @S

    Russians need at least three – four generations of simple and quiet rebuilding of their ethnic heartland and healing their sickly demographics.

    Alas, it is the same situation with most peoples everywhere. 🙁

    But the Globalist wouldn’t allow them that. And the Russian ethnos is dying as we speak.

    That’s true, though I would differ with the use of the term ‘dying’.

    Peoples everywhere have protested and resisted this to varying degrees. I liken it to the ‘enlightened’/’progressives’ having figuratively wrapped a ligature around a person’s neck and then choking the life out of the person while the victim resists the best they can.

    How vigorous or loud the person’s resistance is is besides the point, what matters is that they indeed resisted. That makes it no longer simply ‘dying’ or ‘suicide, but rather murder, ie genocide of people(s) in the truest sense of that often much abused term.

    [MORE]

    Projection definitely applies when the self described progressive goes on and on about ‘genocide’, typically abusing the term in regards to what they see in their mind as ‘phantasmic’ people(s), in relation to what they themselves in actuality push via the wholesale crude biological ‘mixing’ away of peoples which actually do physically exist in reality.

    That they are in denial about it doesn’t change the facts. I think though that a good many of them in their heart of hearts know that what they are doing is wrong, but for whatever reason still don’t stop their murderous actions.

    I think this sense of guilt might in part explain how so many of the progs seem suicidal, either collectively (see Jonestown) or individually (see how many of their personal bios end with an overdose of alcohol and barbutuates).

    It is actually a tragedy, but few people see the forest for the trees.

    Yes, both a tragedy, and a very great crime, all in one.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  984. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    It's not a big poll, but it's not like one can easily poll on this question. IT specialists are much better educated than average, and education is notably associated with svidomy sentiment; conversely, I allow that IT specialists are likely to be less svidomy (or at least to the extent of being willing to fight for it) than social sciences and humanities graduates, such as graduates of the KSE, for instance.

    Anyhow I agree on the general point that Ukraine can probably sustain the war for years in the context of being willing to progressively raise coercion (as it has indeed been doing so) and steadily improving loss ratios vis-a-vis Russia (also happening).

    Replies: @AP, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    IT specialists are uneducated?

  985. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.
     
    It's a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.
     
    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that's unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there's some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?
     
    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the "international community" and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1571825787736657927

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.

    Does this also include reducing Russian corruption levels to Polish/Spanish/Portuguese levels?

    And how much immigration do you envision Russia attracting in such a scenario? I mean in terms of both high-skilled and low-skilled immigration. Would Russia be a more attractive immigration destination than the West is, and, if so, for whom?

    Russia should also develop a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of invading Ukraine just like Germany developed a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of starving WWII and engaging in the Holocaust. Westerners LOVE self-flagellation cultures, as evidenced by the West’s current kowtowing before BLM.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn't larp.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Matra

  986. @Greasy William
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't think the US will collapse as a country, but I think it will lose the ability to get Ukraine aid packages through Congress.

    I don't see a US collapse in my lifetime but I do see the dollar collapsing in the early/mid 2030's. I don't think the European countries will ever abandon Ukraine but I do think they will concede to Ukraine becoming a de facto buffer state like Armenia was for Rome and Parthia

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet, given that it is much higher than the majority of similar areas for spending and it enjoys bipartisan Congressional support too.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet,
     
    Nope.

    Money is allocated by priority, not generic favorability. Funding for Ukraine is an inch deep fad. Transferring that money to protect American borders is a GOP priority.

    Now mater how much Azov neo-Nazis, such as yourself, scream for funding... The resources for your Kiev aggression will be reduced. The questions are "When?" and "By how much?"

    PEACE 😇

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Triteleia Laxa

    What's great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine, which is great. We need more Republicans like that in the US Congress right now.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

  987. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?
     
    What did they intend? Can you tell us? Whatever it was, it wasn't good.

    Donbas with 5-7 million people was the second richest and economically important region. It is Russian speaking and always voted for close ties with Russia.

    After 2014 'revolution' Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools, there was the Odessa massacre of Russians, and the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian.

    So what was the plan? In 2021, Zelko - a supposed moderate - stated that Russians if they don't like it should pack up and go to Russia. Can anyone imagine the Flemish in Belgium saying that to the French there? Or Finns to its Swedish minority? This was madness and the fact that EU pretended it wasn't happening is one of the main reasons there is a war now. EU failed - its 'values' turned out to be fake. There is no coming back from that.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    I can’t find any evidence to support your allegations about Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Sure, just google it...But you would deny nose between your eyes, so talking to you is pointless...

    Replies: @Johnny Rico

  988. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW, don’t you tell nobody warned you about RusFed being a simulacre of a state that only exists to allow the kremlins keeping on with their extractive and exploitative policies towards the Russian masses and Russian natural ressources.
     
    It's a common endeavor, nothing specific to noviops per se. The Russian people have been no more supportive of the war than elites, see (3).

    And yeah, I still think Pynya will exit before the end of his term and our bet still holds firm on my end.
     
    IIRC you predicted him out of power before completing his term? I think that's unlikely. I will be surprised in the event Ukraine succeeds in a big way this summer and Putin is still in power EOY 2024 though.

    The obvious pathway there is massive electoral fraud in 2024 intersecting with economic stagnation and military defeat; individually, these are the three most common proximate causes of post-Soviet color revolutions, and there's some chance Putin is going to gather the entire trifecta.

    The question that I now ask myself is : would that be the end of the Noviop regime / RusFed or historical Russia itself going FUBAR ?
     
    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the "international community" and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1571825787736657927

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, does it strike you that Russia should have simply avoided getting involved in Ukraine at all, even back in 2014, and instead simply opened its borders wide open for all aspiring Ukrainian immigrants in order to drain Ukraine’s human capital? With Russia’s reputation in Ukraine being much higher, especially without Russian support even for Crimean and Donbass separatism, many more Ukrainians might have been willing to move to Russia.

    The next best thing, of course, might have been to swiftly conquer and annex Crimea and the Donbass back in 2014 (plus/minus the Crimean Corridor, if one is passionately concerned about the water supply to Crimea), get minor Western sanctions, and then offer to make a grand bargain–at least sometime down the line–with Ukraine and the West for sanctions relief and agreement to hold free and fair UN-supervised plebiscites in these territories in exchange for Russian consent to the idea of Ukraine joining both the EU and NATO. That’s the only way that Ukraine had even a remote chance of agreeing to such a deal short of it being totally conquered by Russia.

  989. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Mercury"] says:
    @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    "Live by the sword, die by the sword"

    This phrase can be applied to combat soldiers such as the Ukrainian forces: If you want to live, stop fighting. If you want to die for your cause, keep fighting. This is separate from genocide.

    You may be confused about some aspects of the situation in Ukraine.

    Mercury, why do you want WW3 to start? It will be bad for everyone.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You were alleging that Russia has been fighting as it has in order to cull the Ukrainian population, rather than take Kiev and end the war. Or whatever territory would allow them to do so. You argued this was necessary to stave off a future insurgency. Do you think the benefits to you and Russia make all of that death and destruction worth it? Because I still can’t identify any benefits.

    I hardly think this ongoing invasion of Ukraine by Russia makes WW3 less likely, but perhaps you can explain why you think that is so?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I still can’t identify any benefits
     
    The benefit is De-Nazification. How is that hard is that to identify?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  990. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet, given that it is much higher than the majority of similar areas for spending and it enjoys bipartisan Congressional support too.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet,

    Nope.

    Money is allocated by priority, not generic favorability. Funding for Ukraine is an inch deep fad. Transferring that money to protect American borders is a GOP priority.

    Now mater how much Azov neo-Nazis, such as yourself, scream for funding… The resources for your Kiev aggression will be reduced. The questions are “When?” and “By how much?”

    PEACE 😇

  991. @Greasy William
    @Beckow

    Russia isn't going to invade America, but I know that I would support a Russian invasion of the US simply because I hate the US that much. Don't you hate your own government?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Keypusher

    Don’t you understand that if Russia invaded the USA, assuming the world didn’t get blown to smithereens, tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians would die? I think Russia is waging an evil war of aggression, but I’m not rooting for the death of Russian civilians or the dismemberment of the country.

    If you really feel that way, kindly get out of the United States. Traitors are disgusting.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Keypusher


    Traitors are disgusting.
     
    You can only be a traitor to your own country. America stopped being my country on Nov. 4, 2008, although it took me another 13 years to realize as much.

    Replies: @Matra

  992. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    You were alleging that Russia has been fighting as it has in order to cull the Ukrainian population, rather than take Kiev and end the war. Or whatever territory would allow them to do so. You argued this was necessary to stave off a future insurgency. Do you think the benefits to you and Russia make all of that death and destruction worth it? Because I still can't identify any benefits.

    I hardly think this ongoing invasion of Ukraine by Russia makes WW3 less likely, but perhaps you can explain why you think that is so?

    Replies: @A123

    I still can’t identify any benefits

    The benefit is De-Nazification. How is that hard is that to identify?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Looking back through your comment history, you appear to combine the belief that banning "Nazis" off Twitter is a gross authoritarian injustice and yet also invading Ukraine and killing potentially hundreds of thousands and levelling cities in order to attack "Nazis" is "worth it.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

  993. S says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Since you've practically doxed old Ivashka out, I don't think that there's any harm in posting the one and only photo/video clip of him that I've been able to locate, he being the only resident currently living on the island (along with his aide).

    https://youtu.be/hA76ffTu650
    Ivashka once described himself as being "dark and swarthy", and as you can see, he wasn't kidding! :-)

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

    Well, you’re being quite naughty Mr Hack with that picture.

    I’m sure that if Ivashka had said that about himself being ‘dark and swarthy’ that he was either joking, exagerrating in some fashion perhaps, or had simply overdid it at at the beach one summer in search of getting the proverbial ‘perfect tan’. 😉

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Ivashka and I have developed a little bit of a history among ourselves, and are able to poke fun of each other, and even have disagreements. That's what a true friendship is all about. I don't know whether he was in a quest to get the darkest suntan or not, but he did at one time state that he had a "dark and swarthy' look about himself. Even his latest illustration that he's posted of himself doesn't negate his contention:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  994. @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    Don’t be so bitter.
     
    It’s not about bitterness, it’s about a direct comparison of real life with these empty discussions. Real life wins hands down.

    I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya’s RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening.
     
    The RF, warts and all, is far from ideal, but there is a reason people always put ideals in imaginary afterlife (many religions) or in the equally imaginary distant future (Marxism). Today’s problem is, the imperial patch is a lot more corrupt than the RF. Even more disappointing is current libtards’ push to infect the imperial patch with LGBT and woke BS. Madness is a fatal disease for society, so the imperial patch is doomed. In sharp contrast, the RF remains remarkably sane in both regards.

    Science is likely an escape, but it is rewarding. You pit your wits against nature. When in your brief lifetime you figure out something that evolution spent millions of years designing and perfecting, you feel really smart. But science is an element of current civilization, which is in danger of disappearing in a fiery storm of WWIII.

    At the moment the imperial patch is ruled not by ordinary fools, but by psychopaths. The only force that stands between life as we know it and WWIII is Putin and his team. Xi has the same sane and reasonable attitude, but he is not in the driver’s seat right now.

    the future is bright!
     
    Yes, if there is going to be future, it would be better than the present. Imperial domination will end, replaced by a multi-polar world, which will be saner and friendlier to humans.

    Replies: @orchardist, @Ivashka the fool

    Well said!

  995. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In this scenario, my preference would be for Russia to go very gay and liberal in order to rapidly rehabilitate itself in the “international community” and to attract human capital. Perhaps that process can even be accelerated by an alliance with the Western partners against East European r*ghtoids made unduly intransigent by their otherwise entirely Pyrrhic victory, as I suggested to AP.
     
    Does this also include reducing Russian corruption levels to Polish/Spanish/Portuguese levels?

    And how much immigration do you envision Russia attracting in such a scenario? I mean in terms of both high-skilled and low-skilled immigration. Would Russia be a more attractive immigration destination than the West is, and, if so, for whom?

    Russia should also develop a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of invading Ukraine just like Germany developed a culture of self-flagellation for its sin of starving WWII and engaging in the Holocaust. Westerners LOVE self-flagellation cultures, as evidenced by the West's current kowtowing before BLM.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn’t larp.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Frankly, I suspect that Garett Jones would approve more of Russia being an open borders destination than of the West being an open borders destination (other than for cognitive elites, of course) since institutional deterioration in Russia (through duller voters, worse policies, et cetera) doesn't affect the world anywhere near as much as institutional deterioration in the West does. Russia cumulatively produces much less elite science than the West does, after all. And the Russian cognitive elites can always relocate to the West, or to East Asia, or to Israel if they're of close Jewish descent.

    Worth noting that if I lived in a relatively prosperous country but with a low average IQ (so, not Russia, but duller), such as Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera, I might actually be pro-immigration of culturally compatible immigrants (I would not want them to be as dysfunctional as the Roma are or to have significant bad apple populations, though). Maybe something like bring them in as lifetime guest workers but give citizenship and voting rights to all of their children? I wonder just how many, say, Indians or Filipinos or Vietnamese or Thais or even, say, Ethiopians would be willing to relocate to Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera if they did not have the opportunity to relocate to the West.

    Worth noting that there is a case of successful African assimilation in Greece:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannis_Antetokounmpo

    The Greek Freak lol!

    BTW, Russia should get more men like this one (though he's British!):

    https://twitter.com/F1NN5TER/status/1656736681905487888

    Eliminate both toxic masculinity and LGBTQ+ phobia in Russia! (FWIW, this British man is a cisgender straight male-to-female crossdresser. He's exclusively attracted to women.)

    One last thing: I think that the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is associated with higher IQ while Russian nationalism is associated with lower IQ (on average) indicates that Ukrainian nationalism is more of a winner than Russian nationalism is. Really, nationalists should seek to learn what exactly makes Ukrainian nationalism in particular so attractive to high-IQ people. I suspect that in countries like Poland and Hungary, nationalism won't be correlated with higher IQ as much as it would be in Ukraine.

    Also, I think that Russia's lack of serious potential as its own civilizational space, at least under the current Kremlin-cucks, was sort-of demonstrated when Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand. I mean, wasn't there anything more dignified that Putin could have chosen to differentiate the Russian brand? It's like Hitler choosing to make rabid Jew hate the distinguishing feature of the German brand in the 1930s and 1940s. Just how well did that work out for him? A sizable number of Central and/or Eastern European Jews were apparently Germanophilic before the Nazis but no longer. Similarly, Putin's Russia has severely alienated its most natural allies: The Poles, the Ukrainians, and the gays. (Gays and Slavs/Russians do look very similar after all.)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, as the French saying goes : "il y a que les cons qui ne changent pas".

    I think you are right about the post-national angle, nations will soon be a thing of the past.

    About the post-masculine angle: "люди разные нужны, люди разные важны".

    Although I am as straight as a 2 by 4, I have always been of a live and let live attitude when it comes to adult gender preferences.

    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone, unless one is committed to overcoming attachments and being liberated from emotional burdens.

    Now, if we live aside all this retarded bloody tribal Eastern Slav conflict, I would truly love you restart blogging on a regular basis. I would like to read your takes about the technology development and the other things such as intelligence and consciousness.

    So many interesting things are ongoing right now, AI, nuclear fusion, bioengineering and synthetic biology, biomechanics, medical nanotechnology.

    I would be ready to get a subscription to read what you have to say about that.

    Okay, I won't take more of your time, cause I ain't writing anything too valuable anyways.

    Be well Tolik and stay safe if you are in RusFed.

    It was nice reading you again.

    🙂

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You chickenhawk faggot. When were you ever masculine?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Matra
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I’m post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn’t larp

     

    AK still following the footsteps of Richard Spencer.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  996. QCIC says:

    I am arguing that Russia is thinking long-term about guerrillas and saboteurs after the combat is over. The Ukrainian NeoNazis may be in trouble once this is over. Maybe you are one of them?

    I guess you didn’t understand my earlier comments. I think the progressive Western aggression against Russia since 1990 is forcing us all closer to WW3. If Russia rolls over and takes it, WW3 gets here faster since they get cornered sooner. Russia responded defensively in Ukraine to stand against the Western aggression there. The Ukies were foolish enough to get mixed up in it.

    Presumably some war mongers in the West hoped that if they could corner Russia well enough they can pressure them to unilaterally give up their nuclear weapons. Combined with delusions about missile defense these Western losers created a huge mess. Bioweapons labs in Ukraine may have been another prong in their attack on Russia.

    The West should go back to the better policy of coexisting with countries like Russia which we have no natural quarrel with.

    Why do YOU want to get millions of innocent people killed?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I'm not getting it. Do you think the West invaded Russia or was going to invade Russia?

    Replies: @QCIC

  997. @Matra
    @Wokechoke

    Yes, the right know a lot more about the left than vice versa. Right wingers have no choice but to pay attention to leftoid media and government so they learn about them, meanwhile leftists get virtually all their knowledge of the right from leftist sources like TV talk show hosts. My favourite is when they think they're scoring big time by saying Jesus was a person of colour, apparently unaware that it is religious conservatives who are the most stubbornly colour blind people on the right.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    This is true. Plenty of racially aware white people would not consider the historical or biological Jesus as a fellow white anyway. He’s a kike guru who founded a deracinated and ultimately degenerate cult, in many cases. Other whites might find Christianity as a useful bulwark against racial encroachment by Jews Muslims etc.

    The Hard Right is very aware of novelties spawned from the left.

  998. @Keypusher
    @Greasy William

    Don’t you understand that if Russia invaded the USA, assuming the world didn’t get blown to smithereens, tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians would die? I think Russia is waging an evil war of aggression, but I’m not rooting for the death of Russian civilians or the dismemberment of the country.

    If you really feel that way, kindly get out of the United States. Traitors are disgusting.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Traitors are disgusting.

    You can only be a traitor to your own country. America stopped being my country on Nov. 4, 2008, although it took me another 13 years to realize as much.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Greasy William

    US institutions have been removing the names of George Washington and other Founding Fathers throughout the US since the late 1980s. Virtually every school child is taught to hate the old stock Americans who built the country and to worship Trayvon and George Floyd instead. Being loyal to the current bastardized version of the USA is a form of collaborationism at this point. Keypuncher probably serves on board the USNS Harvey Milk

  999. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    and is very supportive of non Jewish immigration.
     
    If they're descended from Jews, such as children and grandchildren of Jews, then Yes. If they're not descended from Jews, then it gets a bit more complicated, I suspect.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    They are in a a demographic war with the Haredim. They will take all the seculars they can get, even if they are non Jewish

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    I don't see the Israeli left advocating for a Canada style merit-based immigration policy for Israel on top of Israel's Law of Return, though. It's generally just keeping the Law of Return as it is and perhaps being a bit more sympathetic and open towards non-Jewish refugees such as Eritreans and Sudanese (but nowhere near completely open towards them since even left-wing Israelis don't want anything resembling open borders, even for non-Jewish non-Muslims).

    Replies: @Greasy William

  1000. @Anatoly Karlin
    @QCIC

    The time to do that was before NATO saturated Ukraine with advanced AD assets, so, at the very start, or last winter at the very latest. Russia failed then (bizarrely focusing on transformers instead of turbines and generators, in addition to failing to surge production of missiles) and I don't see how it can succeed now if the West remains committed to making good Ukraine's AD attrition.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Easy enough. China does something. Somewhere to Someone.

  1001. @Greasy William
    @Keypusher


    Traitors are disgusting.
     
    You can only be a traitor to your own country. America stopped being my country on Nov. 4, 2008, although it took me another 13 years to realize as much.

    Replies: @Matra

    US institutions have been removing the names of George Washington and other Founding Fathers throughout the US since the late 1980s. Virtually every school child is taught to hate the old stock Americans who built the country and to worship Trayvon and George Floyd instead. Being loyal to the current bastardized version of the USA is a form of collaborationism at this point. Keypuncher probably serves on board the USNS Harvey Milk

  1002. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn't larp.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Matra

    Frankly, I suspect that Garett Jones would approve more of Russia being an open borders destination than of the West being an open borders destination (other than for cognitive elites, of course) since institutional deterioration in Russia (through duller voters, worse policies, et cetera) doesn’t affect the world anywhere near as much as institutional deterioration in the West does. Russia cumulatively produces much less elite science than the West does, after all. And the Russian cognitive elites can always relocate to the West, or to East Asia, or to Israel if they’re of close Jewish descent.

    Worth noting that if I lived in a relatively prosperous country but with a low average IQ (so, not Russia, but duller), such as Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera, I might actually be pro-immigration of culturally compatible immigrants (I would not want them to be as dysfunctional as the Roma are or to have significant bad apple populations, though). Maybe something like bring them in as lifetime guest workers but give citizenship and voting rights to all of their children? I wonder just how many, say, Indians or Filipinos or Vietnamese or Thais or even, say, Ethiopians would be willing to relocate to Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera if they did not have the opportunity to relocate to the West.

    Worth noting that there is a case of successful African assimilation in Greece:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannis_Antetokounmpo

    The Greek Freak lol!

    BTW, Russia should get more men like this one (though he’s British!):

    Eliminate both toxic masculinity and LGBTQ+ phobia in Russia! (FWIW, this British man is a cisgender straight male-to-female crossdresser. He’s exclusively attracted to women.)

    One last thing: I think that the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is associated with higher IQ while Russian nationalism is associated with lower IQ (on average) indicates that Ukrainian nationalism is more of a winner than Russian nationalism is. Really, nationalists should seek to learn what exactly makes Ukrainian nationalism in particular so attractive to high-IQ people. I suspect that in countries like Poland and Hungary, nationalism won’t be correlated with higher IQ as much as it would be in Ukraine.

    Also, I think that Russia’s lack of serious potential as its own civilizational space, at least under the current Kremlin-cucks, was sort-of demonstrated when Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand. I mean, wasn’t there anything more dignified that Putin could have chosen to differentiate the Russian brand? It’s like Hitler choosing to make rabid Jew hate the distinguishing feature of the German brand in the 1930s and 1940s. Just how well did that work out for him? A sizable number of Central and/or Eastern European Jews were apparently Germanophilic before the Nazis but no longer. Similarly, Putin’s Russia has severely alienated its most natural allies: The Poles, the Ukrainians, and the gays. (Gays and Slavs/Russians do look very similar after all.)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Regarding the Tweet:

    This is so weird. There are a LOT of insane people in the world. This raises the perennial question, were they always here lurking or are there more of them now? Seems like more to me :( :( :(

    +++

    You have reversed cause and effect.

    Marginally smarter Ukrainians (midwits?) were likely targeted by subtle Western propaganda to create Nationalists. The smartest ones left and the less intelligent ones got conned or dragged to the front to pay for the sins of their slightly higher IQ brethren (paid with their lives and limbs). It was all fun and games until the TOS rockets landed.

    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ


    the gays. (Gays and Slavs/R
     
    It's a local culture, outsiders probably don't feel the context of most of things in Russia. The rank in the society is based in the privilege of what you should be allowed or not.

    If the elite people are allowed something, the ordinary should not be allowed this. If the ordinary people are not allowed something, then it is elite.

    They say to the low status people to vacation in Crimea, so the officials' children can have more social media status, when they post pictures about the vacation in Monaco on Instagram.

    This is why, after they say to the normal people to inject with Sputnik vaccines, a locally made vaccine during the coronavirus pandemic.

    Because ordinary access the local vaccine, government officials, wealthy people and celebrities refuse Sputnik vaccines, would only inject Pfizer.

    Shoigu's children were celebrating in Instagram how they had the Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer vaccine was a status symbol, only because the officials were saying to the public to have the Sputnik vaccine.

    -

    Russian elite culture is usually one of the most LGBT or feminine culture in Europe, in Musorgsky, Tchaikovsky, ballet, Scheherazade etc. So, there is some local humor about this theme, in the postsoviet time.

    In the local parliamenty, Mizulina writes the LGBT propaganda law while her children work to support LGBT rights in the EU.

    It was also common using sometimes the court clowns who everyone said were the former LGBT people Vitaly Milonov or Vladimir Eidelshtein, to be promoters of the "homophobic comments".

    Probably people from Western Europe don't understand. If you are from second world culture at least, you know signals of the elite, are like this. I think it's similar for people in countries like Latin America.

    BlackStar has the main singer now, as Klava Koka, who uses in her work, the themes of status signal and the Russian upper class.

    She promotes the LGBT dancing in the Kremlin, as this liberalism, the feminism etc is a status signaling in the local context.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INKXoQuZb_U


    Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand
     
    I think this was an accident. It created a lot of international unpopularity and the bad image for Russia. But the Western media also doesn't understand the local culture. Without accepting the public hazing of LGBT community, Russia is still relatively liberal for LGBT, if you judged in the world context. LGBT freedoms would be like Mexico or Argentina or somewhere like this. The illiberal regions for LGBT are the Middle East, South Asia or Africa.
  1003. @QCIC
    I am arguing that Russia is thinking long-term about guerrillas and saboteurs after the combat is over. The Ukrainian NeoNazis may be in trouble once this is over. Maybe you are one of them?

    I guess you didn't understand my earlier comments. I think the progressive Western aggression against Russia since 1990 is forcing us all closer to WW3. If Russia rolls over and takes it, WW3 gets here faster since they get cornered sooner. Russia responded defensively in Ukraine to stand against the Western aggression there. The Ukies were foolish enough to get mixed up in it.

    Presumably some war mongers in the West hoped that if they could corner Russia well enough they can pressure them to unilaterally give up their nuclear weapons. Combined with delusions about missile defense these Western losers created a huge mess. Bioweapons labs in Ukraine may have been another prong in their attack on Russia.

    The West should go back to the better policy of coexisting with countries like Russia which we have no natural quarrel with.

    Why do YOU want to get millions of innocent people killed?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I’m not getting it. Do you think the West invaded Russia or was going to invade Russia?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Western coup and genocide in Ukraine are similar in consequence to an invasion.

    The ongoing serious Western threats against Russia including the ABM issue and expansion of NATO make this WW3 material.

    Context matters.

    It is a tragedy. The Ukrainians should have kicked out all the Western con men who got them into this mess. Unfortunately there were not enough wise people there to avoid what is happening.

  1004. @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    They are in a a demographic war with the Haredim. They will take all the seculars they can get, even if they are non Jewish

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I don’t see the Israeli left advocating for a Canada style merit-based immigration policy for Israel on top of Israel’s Law of Return, though. It’s generally just keeping the Law of Return as it is and perhaps being a bit more sympathetic and open towards non-Jewish refugees such as Eritreans and Sudanese (but nowhere near completely open towards them since even left-wing Israelis don’t want anything resembling open borders, even for non-Jewish non-Muslims).

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    Israel is so crowded and so polarized that even Israeli liberals can see what a disaster mass non white immigration would be for them. But if there was a way for Israel to import millions of well educated, middle class, white Europeans, I guarantee you that secular Israelis would jump at the opportunity.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1005. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Greasy William

    Public support for funding Ukraine is high. Certainly high enough to continue providing the modest current level of financial backing for many years yet, given that it is much higher than the majority of similar areas for spending and it enjoys bipartisan Congressional support too.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    What’s great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine, which is great. We need more Republicans like that in the US Congress right now.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    US politicians and Ukraine:

    Non-MAGA Republicans are more pro-Ukraine than are any Democrats. People like Tom Cotton condemn Biden's weakness on Ukraine, for not providing enough military aid quickly enough. When DeSantis had been in congress he had also condemned Obama for his weak response. His later "pivot" was vague and he backtracked.

    The far left (OAC) and MAGA (Matt Gaetz, Boebert, Green et al) are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia though the former obey the Democratic leadership.

    Trump is a wildcard. As president he was much better than Obama had been and much better than Biden had been, early in Biden's term. In a second term he may be as bad for Ukraine as the MAGA people are, or may not be. If he brings Pompeo back, he will be stronger than Biden for Ukraine. But if Greene becomes his running mate the opposite will probably be true. As on most issues, I suspect he doesn't really care and will go with what is profitable and expedient for himself and his family.

    Trump colluding with Russians to win the elections was a Democratic hoax that ironically some pro-Russian losers on the Right thought was an excellent idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    What’s great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine,
     
    Lol as if you don't know that being a "Swamp Creature (longtime Washington Insider)" automatically means being "pro-Ukraine" pro-CIA/MIC/NATO and the rest of it. I don't think any of the GOPers who put their own country first are Swamp Creatures. Even on the Democrat side the one politician, Robert Kennedy, who is calling out the tired old warmongering foreign policy, is now coming under attack from the same pro-Swamp Creature media that spread the lie about Trump/Russia collusion. No wonder the AOCs and Bernies now toe the establishment line on foreign policy.
  1006. @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I still can’t identify any benefits
     
    The benefit is De-Nazification. How is that hard is that to identify?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Looking back through your comment history, you appear to combine the belief that banning “Nazis” off Twitter is a gross authoritarian injustice and yet also invading Ukraine and killing potentially hundreds of thousands and levelling cities in order to attack “Nazis” is “worth it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This is what's truly insane about these types - the extreme inconsistency. There is another type here who is openly anti-semitic (anti Jew) yet he keeps trashing and shaming UPA (the Ukrainian resistance who were mostly fighting for their own interests on their own soil). It seems these types have proliferated and are making the info space more confusing, the good news is that they are not that relevant in real life, and, of course, they are completely useless as nationalist allies. They are useless even for the real Russian interests (since the real Russian interests lie in peace and positive collaboration with like minded related peoples).

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Looking back through your comment history
     
    So where is the citation. You have nothing.... So you lie____ Why are Nazis, such as yourself, such transparent & pathetic liars?

    Everyone noticed that you refuse to answer the questions about your personal belief system:

    • Why do you support genocide of Jews?
    • Why are you opposed to De-Nazification?
    • Why do you hate Christians, such as myself?

    PEACE 😇

  1007. Pretty skeptical of this Mt. Gox guy space station.

    Probably a niche market for government-contract space stations. But fully commercial ones? And I don’t see how you’d control the market, if it did exist.

    https://futurism.com/mt-gox-vast-launching-space-station

  1008. @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Looking back through your comment history, you appear to combine the belief that banning "Nazis" off Twitter is a gross authoritarian injustice and yet also invading Ukraine and killing potentially hundreds of thousands and levelling cities in order to attack "Nazis" is "worth it.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

    This is what’s truly insane about these types – the extreme inconsistency. There is another type here who is openly anti-semitic (anti Jew) yet he keeps trashing and shaming UPA (the Ukrainian resistance who were mostly fighting for their own interests on their own soil). It seems these types have proliferated and are making the info space more confusing, the good news is that they are not that relevant in real life, and, of course, they are completely useless as nationalist allies. They are useless even for the real Russian interests (since the real Russian interests lie in peace and positive collaboration with like minded related peoples).

    • LOL: A123
  1009. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    I don't see the Israeli left advocating for a Canada style merit-based immigration policy for Israel on top of Israel's Law of Return, though. It's generally just keeping the Law of Return as it is and perhaps being a bit more sympathetic and open towards non-Jewish refugees such as Eritreans and Sudanese (but nowhere near completely open towards them since even left-wing Israelis don't want anything resembling open borders, even for non-Jewish non-Muslims).

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Israel is so crowded and so polarized that even Israeli liberals can see what a disaster mass non white immigration would be for them. But if there was a way for Israel to import millions of well educated, middle class, white Europeans, I guarantee you that secular Israelis would jump at the opportunity.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren't that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese). But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren't they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?

    Replies: @Greasy William

  1010. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ivashka the fool

    The sourcing in this article reminds me of the sourcing in many of the more strident Russiagate articles and even some of the Dominion reporting and QAnon stuff. All of it would be interesting if true, but turned out to be fantastical literary creations packaged for online entertainment.

    If you discovered that much of your own media consumption turned out to be exactly this, consciously constructed in order to generate an audience and money, like any Hollywood movie, would you mind?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    If you discovered that much of your own media consumption turned out to be exactly this, consciously constructed in order to generate an audience and money, like any Hollywood movie, would you mind?

    I have written above that your trolling skills are sub-par. You have confirmed my opinion.

    🙂

  1011. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    I'm not getting it. Do you think the West invaded Russia or was going to invade Russia?

    Replies: @QCIC

    The Western coup and genocide in Ukraine are similar in consequence to an invasion.

    The ongoing serious Western threats against Russia including the ABM issue and expansion of NATO make this WW3 material.

    Context matters.

    It is a tragedy. The Ukrainians should have kicked out all the Western con men who got them into this mess. Unfortunately there were not enough wise people there to avoid what is happening.

  1012. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    Looking back through your comment history, you appear to combine the belief that banning "Nazis" off Twitter is a gross authoritarian injustice and yet also invading Ukraine and killing potentially hundreds of thousands and levelling cities in order to attack "Nazis" is "worth it.

    Replies: @LatW, @A123

    Looking back through your comment history

    So where is the citation. You have nothing…. So you lie____ Why are Nazis, such as yourself, such transparent & pathetic liars?

    Everyone noticed that you refuse to answer the questions about your personal belief system:

    • Why do you support genocide of Jews?
    • Why are you opposed to De-Nazification?
    • Why do you hate Christians, such as myself?

    PEACE 😇

  1013. @Triteleia Laxa
    @QCIC

    It strikes me that any belief or suggestion of yours is justified by you to you as merely an equal and opposite reaction to what you perceive as the malevolence of international news media entertainment.

    This means that you therefore have a blank cheque to speculate or act as you wish because it is fair in this context. You did not start it. You are just defending yourself.

    Is this a reasonable approximation?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    Laxa honey, is that you again ?

    😄

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    My eyes glazed over for most of the Laxa stuff. Is it the same pattern or are they just kindred spirits?

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Of course she is. But that doesn't necessarily mean that she wasn't sincere when she explained that she came here simply to write a university thesis on the supporters of both sides of this war. Perhaps she really is doing that... It would also explain why she is being equally argumentative with both types of supporters.

  1014. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Frankly, I suspect that Garett Jones would approve more of Russia being an open borders destination than of the West being an open borders destination (other than for cognitive elites, of course) since institutional deterioration in Russia (through duller voters, worse policies, et cetera) doesn't affect the world anywhere near as much as institutional deterioration in the West does. Russia cumulatively produces much less elite science than the West does, after all. And the Russian cognitive elites can always relocate to the West, or to East Asia, or to Israel if they're of close Jewish descent.

    Worth noting that if I lived in a relatively prosperous country but with a low average IQ (so, not Russia, but duller), such as Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera, I might actually be pro-immigration of culturally compatible immigrants (I would not want them to be as dysfunctional as the Roma are or to have significant bad apple populations, though). Maybe something like bring them in as lifetime guest workers but give citizenship and voting rights to all of their children? I wonder just how many, say, Indians or Filipinos or Vietnamese or Thais or even, say, Ethiopians would be willing to relocate to Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera if they did not have the opportunity to relocate to the West.

    Worth noting that there is a case of successful African assimilation in Greece:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannis_Antetokounmpo

    The Greek Freak lol!

    BTW, Russia should get more men like this one (though he's British!):

    https://twitter.com/F1NN5TER/status/1656736681905487888

    Eliminate both toxic masculinity and LGBTQ+ phobia in Russia! (FWIW, this British man is a cisgender straight male-to-female crossdresser. He's exclusively attracted to women.)

    One last thing: I think that the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is associated with higher IQ while Russian nationalism is associated with lower IQ (on average) indicates that Ukrainian nationalism is more of a winner than Russian nationalism is. Really, nationalists should seek to learn what exactly makes Ukrainian nationalism in particular so attractive to high-IQ people. I suspect that in countries like Poland and Hungary, nationalism won't be correlated with higher IQ as much as it would be in Ukraine.

    Also, I think that Russia's lack of serious potential as its own civilizational space, at least under the current Kremlin-cucks, was sort-of demonstrated when Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand. I mean, wasn't there anything more dignified that Putin could have chosen to differentiate the Russian brand? It's like Hitler choosing to make rabid Jew hate the distinguishing feature of the German brand in the 1930s and 1940s. Just how well did that work out for him? A sizable number of Central and/or Eastern European Jews were apparently Germanophilic before the Nazis but no longer. Similarly, Putin's Russia has severely alienated its most natural allies: The Poles, the Ukrainians, and the gays. (Gays and Slavs/Russians do look very similar after all.)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    Regarding the Tweet:

    This is so weird. There are a LOT of insane people in the world. This raises the perennial question, were they always here lurking or are there more of them now? Seems like more to me 🙁 🙁 🙁

    +++

    You have reversed cause and effect.

    Marginally smarter Ukrainians (midwits?) were likely targeted by subtle Western propaganda to create Nationalists. The smartest ones left and the less intelligent ones got conned or dragged to the front to pay for the sins of their slightly higher IQ brethren (paid with their lives and limbs). It was all fun and games until the TOS rockets landed.

  1015. @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Laxa honey, is that you again ?

    😄

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    My eyes glazed over for most of the Laxa stuff. Is it the same pattern or are they just kindred spirits?

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Laxa was bizarre and long winded. 卐Mercury卐 is a pro Azov neo-Nazi.

    I would much rather have Laxa back.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  1016. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @Triteleia Laxa

    What's great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine, which is great. We need more Republicans like that in the US Congress right now.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    US politicians and Ukraine:

    Non-MAGA Republicans are more pro-Ukraine than are any Democrats. People like Tom Cotton condemn Biden’s weakness on Ukraine, for not providing enough military aid quickly enough. When DeSantis had been in congress he had also condemned Obama for his weak response. His later “pivot” was vague and he backtracked.

    The far left (OAC) and MAGA (Matt Gaetz, Boebert, Green et al) are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia though the former obey the Democratic leadership.

    Trump is a wildcard. As president he was much better than Obama had been and much better than Biden had been, early in Biden’s term. In a second term he may be as bad for Ukraine as the MAGA people are, or may not be. If he brings Pompeo back, he will be stronger than Biden for Ukraine. But if Greene becomes his running mate the opposite will probably be true. As on most issues, I suspect he doesn’t really care and will go with what is profitable and expedient for himself and his family.

    Trump colluding with Russians to win the elections was a Democratic hoax that ironically some pro-Russian losers on the Right thought was an excellent idea.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden. He could place HIMARS missiles in Ukraine at the start of his second term in order to look tough and deflect Democratic criticism from Russiagate (hoax or not, the Dems were still going to criticize him for it) and then once Russia would inevitably panic about this (a panic that would be much more based on reality relative to real life), Trump might have decided to throw Ukraine under the Russian bus due to his fear of nuclear war.

    If Ukraine will be militarily succeeding over the next 1.5 years, then Russia is going to look more like a loser country and Trump might feel pressured and compelled to have the US continue supporting Ukraine because why exactly should the US save the bacon of a loser country, right? But if there will be continued stalemate, then Trump will likely push for peace talks and whatnot. Though if he outright backstabs Ukraine, then Dems are going to howl to the Moon about Trump being a Russian agent/asset.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me. Including Ukraine in the US would produce a more nationalistic and European EU, after all. And Ukrainian nationalism has a virtue in the sense that it appeals more to smarter and more educated people, unlike nationalism in much of the rest of the developed world. Ukrainian nationalism is a good model for other Western nationalists, including white nationalists, to try emulating.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Trump is a wildcard.
     
    Not really. His CNN interview showed that he is exactly the same person he was 4 or 8 years ago, which is not surprising given his age. He said with a straight face that he did finish the wall and that he would be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. In the very unlikely event that he won the election and actually remembered his 24-hour armistice promise, he would obviously fail and then he'd carry on doing in Ukraine what he started during his first presidency. The Lindsey Graham branch of his support base would make sure of that. He praised Lindsey during that interview, btw. This could cause some pushback from a few of his most ideological supporters, like the ones you've mentioned, but when has that been a problem for him? The fact that they still support him after having failed at almost everything he promised in 2016 shows that he doesn't need to care about that.

    As Elon Musk said in his NBC interview yesterday, choosing a president is not only about ideological affinities. It is also about his ability to get things done. He's going to be the CEO of the country and Commander in Chief for 4 years.

    Btw, CNN showed very clearly who they want to be the Republican nominee. I don't blame them.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    BTW, other than Nord Stream 2, what specifically did Biden do that was "anti-Ukraine" pre-invasion? He refused to accept Putin's pre-invasion ultimatum, after all. He didn't provide a realistic pathway for Ukraine into NATO but neither did Trump, so Biden wasn't worse in regards to this than Trump was.

  1017. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn't larp.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Matra

    Well, as the French saying goes : “il y a que les cons qui ne changent pas“.

    I think you are right about the post-national angle, nations will soon be a thing of the past.

    About the post-masculine angle: “люди разные нужны, люди разные важны“.

    Although I am as straight as a 2 by 4, I have always been of a live and let live attitude when it comes to adult gender preferences.

    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone, unless one is committed to overcoming attachments and being liberated from emotional burdens.

    Now, if we live aside all this retarded bloody tribal Eastern Slav conflict, I would truly love you restart blogging on a regular basis. I would like to read your takes about the technology development and the other things such as intelligence and consciousness.

    So many interesting things are ongoing right now, AI, nuclear fusion, bioengineering and synthetic biology, biomechanics, medical nanotechnology.

    I would be ready to get a subscription to read what you have to say about that.

    Okay, I won’t take more of your time, cause I ain’t writing anything too valuable anyways.

    Be well Tolik and stay safe if you are in RusFed.

    It was nice reading you again.

    🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Ivashka the fool


    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone
     
    My sentiments exactly.

    This is why I would send the super-gays to some isolated prison island, rather than locking them up in an expensive traditional prison.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool

    Although I greatly respect LGBT people, as they constitute a massive reservoir of human capital, I am sadly not gay myself. However, I no longer identify as male, but as an arbitrary object or thing, i.e. an "it".

    First, it is a way to cope with anomie and disillusionment, being in this aspect heavily inspired by Oleg Kulik, a Russian-Ukrainian artist who came to identify as a dog to make sense of the Soviet collapse.

    https://www.artriot.art/artist.html?id=OlegKulik&ch=perfomance&tid=2

    Second, it is a kind of return to the rootlessness of my prior life, and so becoming a "parasite".

    Third, masculinity (or femininity) as traditionally viewed is a fixed category - whereas I aspire to undergo constant mutation - as my one Prophet aside from Prosvirnin, yarowrath, always called on his followers to do.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

  1018. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    My eyes glazed over for most of the Laxa stuff. Is it the same pattern or are they just kindred spirits?

    Replies: @A123

    Laxa was bizarre and long winded. 卐Mercury卐 is a pro Azov neo-Nazi.

    I would much rather have Laxa back.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    Mercury卐 is a pro Azov neo-Nazi.
     
    'Mercury' has made me recall the connection between the Roman god and 'Wednesday' in the Romance languages.

    At one time, when the US wasn't so pozzed, it actually had a coin called a 'Mercury dime.'

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_dime

    The 'Mercury dime' actually had the fasces prominently displayed in the center of the side that says 'E pluribus unum.'

    Once we had a Roman god on money, but soon we will have Tubman.

  1019. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...argue that the Ukrainians intended a genocide in the Donbas?
     
    What did they intend? Can you tell us? Whatever it was, it wasn't good.

    Donbas with 5-7 million people was the second richest and economically important region. It is Russian speaking and always voted for close ties with Russia.

    After 2014 'revolution' Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools, there was the Odessa massacre of Russians, and the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian.

    So what was the plan? In 2021, Zelko - a supposed moderate - stated that Russians if they don't like it should pack up and go to Russia. Can anyone imagine the Flemish in Belgium saying that to the French there? Or Finns to its Swedish minority? This was madness and the fact that EU pretended it wasn't happening is one of the main reasons there is a war now. EU failed - its 'values' turned out to be fake. There is no coming back from that.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    After 2014 ‘revolution’ Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools

    A lie.

    After the 2014 revolution, Ukraine cancelled the unpopular law of 2011 that made Russian a second official language in certain regions.

    Russian was no more “banned” in 2014 than it had been in 1991-2011.

    Years later, Russian was phased out out of secondary schools. It was never eliminated from primary schools.

    I think it will be totally removed now, as a consequence of this war.

    there was the Odessa massacre of Russians

    A street brawl started by pro-Russian, whose first victim was a pro-Ukrainian shot dead by a pro-Russians, that ended when the pro-Russians retreated to a building that caught fire (not even known whether it was caused by an accident because the pro-Russian had stockpiled Molotov cocktails, or by the pro-Ukrainians throwing Molotov cocktails because both sides were throwing them) where 42 died.

    the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian

    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?

    You can’t help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.
     
    Interesting question: Was Putin or Milosevic a bigger killer of Slavs? Because whichever one of them "wins" this poll would likely be the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler, no?

    (I guess that if one doesn't count Slavic-speaking Balkanoids as Slavs other than northern Croats and Slovenes, then Putin would qualify as the "winner" of this poll. I'm not sure just how many Croats Milosevic killed, but he did kill a lot of Bosniaks. And of course Albanians are not Slavs.)


    You can’t help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.
     

    One could argue that the Russophone figure should be more meaningful than the Russian figure, but after the loss of Crimea and Donbass, there were likely less than 10 million self-identified Russophones in Ukraine as well, a figure that is likely to significantly shrink even further as a result of the current war making Russian less cool among even traditionally pro-Russian Ukrainians.
    , @Beckow
    @AP

    You manage with your usual stupidity to agree to all the points I made while vociferously denying it with the old-hag screams of 'lies'. I said that Kiev banned Russian language in schools and offices in 2014 - an absolute truth. Your response?


    Russian was phased out out of secondary schools.
     
    Phased out? What the f..k does that mean? It was banned effective next school year. Banned, forbidden. The fact that many Russian speaking areas probably procrastinated is irrelevant. What counts was the 'Maidan' gment decision. And it applied to all schools.

    the Odessa massacre of Russians...

    Your response: a street brawl
     
    Right, just like the Kristallnacht was a 'street brawl'. You are a dangerous inhuman moron, 50 Russians were murdered - burnt to death by screaming Ukie nationalists. It was not only not punished, it wasn't even investigated. Watch the French documentary about it. I would remind you that a lot of neo-Nazis use the same evasive language. Are you a one? And be honest.

    And your autistic arguing that 8.3 million is not "10 million", just precious. Kindly, take some pills before you do more damage to your already very poor reputation.

    Replies: @AP

  1020. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    US politicians and Ukraine:

    Non-MAGA Republicans are more pro-Ukraine than are any Democrats. People like Tom Cotton condemn Biden's weakness on Ukraine, for not providing enough military aid quickly enough. When DeSantis had been in congress he had also condemned Obama for his weak response. His later "pivot" was vague and he backtracked.

    The far left (OAC) and MAGA (Matt Gaetz, Boebert, Green et al) are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia though the former obey the Democratic leadership.

    Trump is a wildcard. As president he was much better than Obama had been and much better than Biden had been, early in Biden's term. In a second term he may be as bad for Ukraine as the MAGA people are, or may not be. If he brings Pompeo back, he will be stronger than Biden for Ukraine. But if Greene becomes his running mate the opposite will probably be true. As on most issues, I suspect he doesn't really care and will go with what is profitable and expedient for himself and his family.

    Trump colluding with Russians to win the elections was a Democratic hoax that ironically some pro-Russian losers on the Right thought was an excellent idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden. He could place HIMARS missiles in Ukraine at the start of his second term in order to look tough and deflect Democratic criticism from Russiagate (hoax or not, the Dems were still going to criticize him for it) and then once Russia would inevitably panic about this (a panic that would be much more based on reality relative to real life), Trump might have decided to throw Ukraine under the Russian bus due to his fear of nuclear war.

    If Ukraine will be militarily succeeding over the next 1.5 years, then Russia is going to look more like a loser country and Trump might feel pressured and compelled to have the US continue supporting Ukraine because why exactly should the US save the bacon of a loser country, right? But if there will be continued stalemate, then Trump will likely push for peace talks and whatnot. Though if he outright backstabs Ukraine, then Dems are going to howl to the Moon about Trump being a Russian agent/asset.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me. Including Ukraine in the US would produce a more nationalistic and European EU, after all. And Ukrainian nationalism has a virtue in the sense that it appeals more to smarter and more educated people, unlike nationalism in much of the rest of the developed world. Ukrainian nationalism is a good model for other Western nationalists, including white nationalists, to try emulating.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden.

    This is a difficult question.

    I voted for Trump twice but he was always naive about Putin.

    Trump projects certain characteristics onto dictators as if they are just businessmen. He assumes they just want a "fair deal" like everyone else. He has a hard time facing the reality of the psychopathic dictator who becomes embolden by people trying to be fair. Putin turns into a vulture when offered fairness.

    Trump most likely would have been worse for Ukraine. In fact Putin may have started his plans on the assumption that Trump would win and wouldn't pass serious sanctions.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me.

    They make zero sense and I have been saying this from the beginning. They talk of this as a war against Jews while Orthodox men on both sides are fill the graveyards. Putin boasts of his Israeli connections and the White nationalists cheer as the Russian dictator launches missiles against civilian areas. It makes no sense and has long past the level of insanity.

    I don't think most of them are actually White nationalists. They are misanthropes that hate the West more than anything and would happily drive a bulldozer over White women just to get a rise out of someone in DC. They hate everyone and only slightly prefer Whites over Blacks and Jews. Anglin called himself "Putin's #1 fanboy" and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

  1021. @AP
    @Beckow


    After 2014 ‘revolution’ Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools
     
    A lie.

    After the 2014 revolution, Ukraine cancelled the unpopular law of 2011 that made Russian a second official language in certain regions.

    Russian was no more "banned" in 2014 than it had been in 1991-2011.

    Years later, Russian was phased out out of secondary schools. It was never eliminated from primary schools.

    I think it will be totally removed now, as a consequence of this war.

    there was the Odessa massacre of Russians
     
    A street brawl started by pro-Russian, whose first victim was a pro-Ukrainian shot dead by a pro-Russians, that ended when the pro-Russians retreated to a building that caught fire (not even known whether it was caused by an accident because the pro-Russian had stockpiled Molotov cocktails, or by the pro-Ukrainians throwing Molotov cocktails because both sides were throwing them) where 42 died.

    the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian
     
    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?
     
    You can't help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.

    Interesting question: Was Putin or Milosevic a bigger killer of Slavs? Because whichever one of them “wins” this poll would likely be the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler, no?

    (I guess that if one doesn’t count Slavic-speaking Balkanoids as Slavs other than northern Croats and Slovenes, then Putin would qualify as the “winner” of this poll. I’m not sure just how many Croats Milosevic killed, but he did kill a lot of Bosniaks. And of course Albanians are not Slavs.)

    You can’t help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.

    One could argue that the Russophone figure should be more meaningful than the Russian figure, but after the loss of Crimea and Donbass, there were likely less than 10 million self-identified Russophones in Ukraine as well, a figure that is likely to significantly shrink even further as a result of the current war making Russian less cool among even traditionally pro-Russian Ukrainians.

  1022. @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ

    Israel is so crowded and so polarized that even Israeli liberals can see what a disaster mass non white immigration would be for them. But if there was a way for Israel to import millions of well educated, middle class, white Europeans, I guarantee you that secular Israelis would jump at the opportunity.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren’t that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese). But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren’t they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ


    But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren’t they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?
     
    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It's just that everyone knows that the EU doesn't want them.

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren’t that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese)
     
    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that "Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1023. @Ivashka the fool
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Laxa honey, is that you again ?

    😄

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    Of course she is. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that she wasn’t sincere when she explained that she came here simply to write a university thesis on the supporters of both sides of this war. Perhaps she really is doing that… It would also explain why she is being equally argumentative with both types of supporters.

  1024. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn't larp.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Matra

    You chickenhawk faggot. When were you ever masculine?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Oh come on, that was unwarranted. People change, impermanence is the only permanent feature of our existence. As long as one ends up finding balance in this world and solace in the next, all si well.

    🙂

  1025. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Since you've practically doxed old Ivashka out, I don't think that there's any harm in posting the one and only photo/video clip of him that I've been able to locate, he being the only resident currently living on the island (along with his aide).

    https://youtu.be/hA76ffTu650
    Ivashka once described himself as being "dark and swarthy", and as you can see, he wasn't kidding! :-)

    Replies: @S, @Ivashka the fool

    The older I get and the more I look like this:

    From the pov of music, I listen to more laid-back ans simple songs these days:

    About the kilim rugs, there is something peculiar in the Slav love for these ковры:

    Not that I plan to top my Jeep with one of these.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I barely listened to the video clip, I used it because it was the only way to present the visual image that I thought was interesting. In your current quest for laid back and simpler music and your interest in Asian themes, you might enjoy listening to Kitaro's music. He's been one of my favorites for a very long time.

    https://open.spotify.com/album/4pr527LVBe1JCYW15BeaKV?si=YAw0mK9kT2y3dLDYTAJAEg

    This one always seems to hit the right notes for me. :-)

    , @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and soft music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

  1026. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren't that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese). But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren't they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?

    Replies: @Greasy William

    But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren’t they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?

    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It’s just that everyone knows that the EU doesn’t want them.

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren’t that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese)

    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that “Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year.”

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It’s just that everyone knows that the EU doesn’t want them.
     
    Does the EU not want them due to the Palestinian conflict or for some other reason?

    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.
     
    They apparently like the black Falash Mura.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that “Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year.”
     
    Not a surprising mentality considering that almost half of Israelis of Jewish descent have their ancestral origins in Europe.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1027. @Mr. XYZ
    @Triteleia Laxa

    What's great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine, which is great. We need more Republicans like that in the US Congress right now.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    What’s great is that even though Mitch McConnell is a Swamp Creature (longtime Washington insider), he is nevertheless very pro-Ukraine,

    Lol as if you don’t know that being a “Swamp Creature (longtime Washington Insider)” automatically means being “pro-Ukraine” pro-CIA/MIC/NATO and the rest of it. I don’t think any of the GOPers who put their own country first are Swamp Creatures. Even on the Democrat side the one politician, Robert Kennedy, who is calling out the tired old warmongering foreign policy, is now coming under attack from the same pro-Swamp Creature media that spread the lie about Trump/Russia collusion. No wonder the AOCs and Bernies now toe the establishment line on foreign policy.

  1028. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You chickenhawk faggot. When were you ever masculine?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Oh come on, that was unwarranted. People change, impermanence is the only permanent feature of our existence. As long as one ends up finding balance in this world and solace in the next, all si well.

    🙂

  1029. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    US politicians and Ukraine:

    Non-MAGA Republicans are more pro-Ukraine than are any Democrats. People like Tom Cotton condemn Biden's weakness on Ukraine, for not providing enough military aid quickly enough. When DeSantis had been in congress he had also condemned Obama for his weak response. His later "pivot" was vague and he backtracked.

    The far left (OAC) and MAGA (Matt Gaetz, Boebert, Green et al) are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia though the former obey the Democratic leadership.

    Trump is a wildcard. As president he was much better than Obama had been and much better than Biden had been, early in Biden's term. In a second term he may be as bad for Ukraine as the MAGA people are, or may not be. If he brings Pompeo back, he will be stronger than Biden for Ukraine. But if Greene becomes his running mate the opposite will probably be true. As on most issues, I suspect he doesn't really care and will go with what is profitable and expedient for himself and his family.

    Trump colluding with Russians to win the elections was a Democratic hoax that ironically some pro-Russian losers on the Right thought was an excellent idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    Trump is a wildcard.

    Not really. His CNN interview showed that he is exactly the same person he was 4 or 8 years ago, which is not surprising given his age. He said with a straight face that he did finish the wall and that he would be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. In the very unlikely event that he won the election and actually remembered his 24-hour armistice promise, he would obviously fail and then he’d carry on doing in Ukraine what he started during his first presidency. The Lindsey Graham branch of his support base would make sure of that. He praised Lindsey during that interview, btw. This could cause some pushback from a few of his most ideological supporters, like the ones you’ve mentioned, but when has that been a problem for him? The fact that they still support him after having failed at almost everything he promised in 2016 shows that he doesn’t need to care about that.

    As Elon Musk said in his NBC interview yesterday, choosing a president is not only about ideological affinities. It is also about his ability to get things done. He’s going to be the CEO of the country and Commander in Chief for 4 years.

    Btw, CNN showed very clearly who they want to be the Republican nominee. I don’t blame them.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Trump is a wildcard.

    Not really. His CNN interview showed that he is exactly the same person he was 4 or 8 years ago
     
    By that I meant that he is an opportunist who can change his position depending on circumstance. Other then self-aggrandizement and self-enrichment he has no consistency.

    For various and specific reasons this made him a better candidate than Hilary and a better president than Obama or Biden.

    he’d carry on doing in Ukraine what he started during his first presidency. The Lindsey Graham branch of his support base would make sure of that. He praised Lindsey during that interview,
     
    There is certainly a high chance of that happening. He might try to make peace in 24 hours by presenting Putin with an extreme ultimatum that Biden wouldn’t dare to do (maximum jets and long range missiles for Ukraine) with some mild face saving gesture such as retention of Crimea and dropping sanctions. That would be nice. Trump’s unpredictability has its advantages, who knows maybe it will work?

    But if Trump picked Greene as running mate I don’t see him being helpful to Ukraine.

    As Elon Musk said in his NBC interview yesterday, choosing a president is not only about ideological affinities. It is also about his ability to get things done

     

    Which is why he is not my first choice.
  1030. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn't larp.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ivashka the fool, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Matra

    I’m post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn’t larp

    AK still following the footsteps of Richard Spencer.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Matra

    What happened with Richard Spencer ?

    Did I miss anything?

    Replies: @Matra

  1031. @Matra
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I’m post-national, post-masculine, and an Open Borders supporter. My current Twitter description isn’t larp

     

    AK still following the footsteps of Richard Spencer.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    What happened with Richard Spencer ?

    Did I miss anything?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Ivashka the fool

    In the 2010s most of the younger dissident right/HBDers followed Spencer's activites. Perhaps at the time it seemed WNism or whatever his 'movement' was was on the rise and he was, more or less, the leader.

    AK with Spencer in California

    After becoming disillusioned with his numerous failed endeavours Spencer has tried desperately to rebrand himself. He began this process by first attacking and thereby trying to shake off previous associations he deemed to be low status. (Very online activists like these guys who go in for 'hot takes' tend to be very socially anxious, which is understandable if your name and face are public information). I believe he now opines on totally different subjects from the ones that made him infamous and untouchable to polite society. A number of other lower profile ex-followers have gone in the same direction. AK seems to have tech, transhumanist and other interests that he can now devote his time to and try to forget about time wasted on Re-Gatherings of Russian Lands and nationalism in general.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1032. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    US politicians and Ukraine:

    Non-MAGA Republicans are more pro-Ukraine than are any Democrats. People like Tom Cotton condemn Biden's weakness on Ukraine, for not providing enough military aid quickly enough. When DeSantis had been in congress he had also condemned Obama for his weak response. His later "pivot" was vague and he backtracked.

    The far left (OAC) and MAGA (Matt Gaetz, Boebert, Green et al) are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia though the former obey the Democratic leadership.

    Trump is a wildcard. As president he was much better than Obama had been and much better than Biden had been, early in Biden's term. In a second term he may be as bad for Ukraine as the MAGA people are, or may not be. If he brings Pompeo back, he will be stronger than Biden for Ukraine. But if Greene becomes his running mate the opposite will probably be true. As on most issues, I suspect he doesn't really care and will go with what is profitable and expedient for himself and his family.

    Trump colluding with Russians to win the elections was a Democratic hoax that ironically some pro-Russian losers on the Right thought was an excellent idea.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @Mr. XYZ

    BTW, other than Nord Stream 2, what specifically did Biden do that was “anti-Ukraine” pre-invasion? He refused to accept Putin’s pre-invasion ultimatum, after all. He didn’t provide a realistic pathway for Ukraine into NATO but neither did Trump, so Biden wasn’t worse in regards to this than Trump was.

  1033. @Ivashka the fool
    @Matra

    What happened with Richard Spencer ?

    Did I miss anything?

    Replies: @Matra

    In the 2010s most of the younger dissident right/HBDers followed Spencer’s activites. Perhaps at the time it seemed WNism or whatever his ‘movement’ was was on the rise and he was, more or less, the leader.

    AK with Spencer in California

    After becoming disillusioned with his numerous failed endeavours Spencer has tried desperately to rebrand himself. He began this process by first attacking and thereby trying to shake off previous associations he deemed to be low status. (Very online activists like these guys who go in for ‘hot takes’ tend to be very socially anxious, which is understandable if your name and face are public information). I believe he now opines on totally different subjects from the ones that made him infamous and untouchable to polite society. A number of other lower profile ex-followers have gone in the same direction. AK seems to have tech, transhumanist and other interests that he can now devote his time to and try to forget about time wasted on Re-Gatherings of Russian Lands and nationalism in general.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Matra

    Sic transit gloria mundi

    I made a quick search and my understanding is Richard is doing some freelance journalism for the The Hindustan Times, which if true is quite ironic.

    He was quite entertaining as a journalist back in the day, and the Radix often was an interesting read.

    OTOH, when one thinks of the early nineteenth century socialists, one finds them being socially inept, sexually -deviant and being attracted to fringe theoretical musings and unworkable social constructs. That didn't prevent socialist ideologies from achieving major momentum in the twentieth century and in fact from becoming somewhat mainstream nowadays in the West.

    Perhaps race realistic humanistic conservative solidarism will still have his glory days and is the ideology for the twenty-second century ?

    Perhaps we'll still see streets or even towns named after Richard B. Spencer in Pindostan and Yegor Prosvirnin in RusFed.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

  1034. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Trump is a wildcard.
     
    Not really. His CNN interview showed that he is exactly the same person he was 4 or 8 years ago, which is not surprising given his age. He said with a straight face that he did finish the wall and that he would be able to end the Ukraine war in 24 hours. In the very unlikely event that he won the election and actually remembered his 24-hour armistice promise, he would obviously fail and then he'd carry on doing in Ukraine what he started during his first presidency. The Lindsey Graham branch of his support base would make sure of that. He praised Lindsey during that interview, btw. This could cause some pushback from a few of his most ideological supporters, like the ones you've mentioned, but when has that been a problem for him? The fact that they still support him after having failed at almost everything he promised in 2016 shows that he doesn't need to care about that.

    As Elon Musk said in his NBC interview yesterday, choosing a president is not only about ideological affinities. It is also about his ability to get things done. He's going to be the CEO of the country and Commander in Chief for 4 years.

    Btw, CNN showed very clearly who they want to be the Republican nominee. I don't blame them.

    Replies: @AP

    Trump is a wildcard.

    Not really. His CNN interview showed that he is exactly the same person he was 4 or 8 years ago

    By that I meant that he is an opportunist who can change his position depending on circumstance. Other then self-aggrandizement and self-enrichment he has no consistency.

    For various and specific reasons this made him a better candidate than Hilary and a better president than Obama or Biden.

    he’d carry on doing in Ukraine what he started during his first presidency. The Lindsey Graham branch of his support base would make sure of that. He praised Lindsey during that interview,

    There is certainly a high chance of that happening. He might try to make peace in 24 hours by presenting Putin with an extreme ultimatum that Biden wouldn’t dare to do (maximum jets and long range missiles for Ukraine) with some mild face saving gesture such as retention of Crimea and dropping sanctions. That would be nice. Trump’s unpredictability has its advantages, who knows maybe it will work?

    But if Trump picked Greene as running mate I don’t see him being helpful to Ukraine.

    As Elon Musk said in his NBC interview yesterday, choosing a president is not only about ideological affinities. It is also about his ability to get things done

    Which is why he is not my first choice.

  1035. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Frankly, I suspect that Garett Jones would approve more of Russia being an open borders destination than of the West being an open borders destination (other than for cognitive elites, of course) since institutional deterioration in Russia (through duller voters, worse policies, et cetera) doesn't affect the world anywhere near as much as institutional deterioration in the West does. Russia cumulatively produces much less elite science than the West does, after all. And the Russian cognitive elites can always relocate to the West, or to East Asia, or to Israel if they're of close Jewish descent.

    Worth noting that if I lived in a relatively prosperous country but with a low average IQ (so, not Russia, but duller), such as Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera, I might actually be pro-immigration of culturally compatible immigrants (I would not want them to be as dysfunctional as the Roma are or to have significant bad apple populations, though). Maybe something like bring them in as lifetime guest workers but give citizenship and voting rights to all of their children? I wonder just how many, say, Indians or Filipinos or Vietnamese or Thais or even, say, Ethiopians would be willing to relocate to Bulgaria, Romania, Mexico, Brazil, et cetera if they did not have the opportunity to relocate to the West.

    Worth noting that there is a case of successful African assimilation in Greece:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giannis_Antetokounmpo

    The Greek Freak lol!

    BTW, Russia should get more men like this one (though he's British!):

    https://twitter.com/F1NN5TER/status/1656736681905487888

    Eliminate both toxic masculinity and LGBTQ+ phobia in Russia! (FWIW, this British man is a cisgender straight male-to-female crossdresser. He's exclusively attracted to women.)

    One last thing: I think that the fact that Ukrainian nationalism is associated with higher IQ while Russian nationalism is associated with lower IQ (on average) indicates that Ukrainian nationalism is more of a winner than Russian nationalism is. Really, nationalists should seek to learn what exactly makes Ukrainian nationalism in particular so attractive to high-IQ people. I suspect that in countries like Poland and Hungary, nationalism won't be correlated with higher IQ as much as it would be in Ukraine.

    Also, I think that Russia's lack of serious potential as its own civilizational space, at least under the current Kremlin-cucks, was sort-of demonstrated when Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand. I mean, wasn't there anything more dignified that Putin could have chosen to differentiate the Russian brand? It's like Hitler choosing to make rabid Jew hate the distinguishing feature of the German brand in the 1930s and 1940s. Just how well did that work out for him? A sizable number of Central and/or Eastern European Jews were apparently Germanophilic before the Nazis but no longer. Similarly, Putin's Russia has severely alienated its most natural allies: The Poles, the Ukrainians, and the gays. (Gays and Slavs/Russians do look very similar after all.)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    the gays. (Gays and Slavs/R

    It’s a local culture, outsiders probably don’t feel the context of most of things in Russia. The rank in the society is based in the privilege of what you should be allowed or not.

    If the elite people are allowed something, the ordinary should not be allowed this. If the ordinary people are not allowed something, then it is elite.

    They say to the low status people to vacation in Crimea, so the officials’ children can have more social media status, when they post pictures about the vacation in Monaco on Instagram.

    This is why, after they say to the normal people to inject with Sputnik vaccines, a locally made vaccine during the coronavirus pandemic.

    Because ordinary access the local vaccine, government officials, wealthy people and celebrities refuse Sputnik vaccines, would only inject Pfizer.

    Shoigu’s children were celebrating in Instagram how they had the Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer vaccine was a status symbol, only because the officials were saying to the public to have the Sputnik vaccine.

    Russian elite culture is usually one of the most LGBT or feminine culture in Europe, in Musorgsky, Tchaikovsky, ballet, Scheherazade etc. So, there is some local humor about this theme, in the postsoviet time.

    In the local parliamenty, Mizulina writes the LGBT propaganda law while her children work to support LGBT rights in the EU.

    It was also common using sometimes the court clowns who everyone said were the former LGBT people Vitaly Milonov or Vladimir Eidelshtein, to be promoters of the “homophobic comments”.

    Probably people from Western Europe don’t understand. If you are from second world culture at least, you know signals of the elite, are like this. I think it’s similar for people in countries like Latin America.

    BlackStar has the main singer now, as Klava Koka, who uses in her work, the themes of status signal and the Russian upper class.

    She promotes the LGBT dancing in the Kremlin, as this liberalism, the feminism etc is a status signaling in the local context.

    Putin chose to make LGBTQ+ hate the distinguishing feature of the Russian brand

    I think this was an accident. It created a lot of international unpopularity and the bad image for Russia. But the Western media also doesn’t understand the local culture. Without accepting the public hazing of LGBT community, Russia is still relatively liberal for LGBT, if you judged in the world context. LGBT freedoms would be like Mexico or Argentina or somewhere like this. The illiberal regions for LGBT are the Middle East, South Asia or Africa.

  1036. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    As Arabs have it: "The return to one's origins is preferable" (inna er-roodjuee lil' asli fadhila).

    Or if you dislike your Semitic cousins' pearls of wisdom, as Shrek the Ogre famously told in the DreamWorks Pictures' movie: "better out than in".

    https://www.jewthink.org/2020/12/15/ten-reasons-why-shrek-is-jewish/

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Their origins are 1960s or 1970s Soviet Union, some nerdy kids in the classroom. I’m not sure they want to return to their origins as ordinary people of the Soviet republics Latvia and Belarus.

    They had a few decades, pretending to be elite people, “fake elite” who are “economists” or “businessmen”, although maybe never probably accepted within the international community.

    Kudrin is now allowed to do some managing related to Yandex or relations with Israel. Chubais seems to be a real exile. They could be scammers, but at least in external policy, the world would be a better planet if the systemic liberal point of view was followed instead of the security people point of view in relation to Ukraine.

    By the way, Chubais is living in Nazareth Illit now. I couldn’t extract this, but maybe there are some esoterical Biblical message someone can extract from the emigration to Nazareth. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A14-30&version=NIV

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique. But today seeing him downtrodden and cast out, being just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gated community in Israel, leaves me cold and emotionally dispassionate. Was it all worth it for him, all these evil things that he did, all this pride that he took from climbing to the top ?

    I wish I could ask him about all those millions that died because they didn't "fit into the market" as he said while defending his reforms. Now it is him who didn't fit.

    Anyway, at the eve of dying the first Spanish Umayad Caliph supposedly said : "When I look back at my life, I realize that for only three days have I been perfectly happy and at ease. Do not place your confidence into this world and its people. Place your faith in God only". He was a wise man, just like the Ecclesiastes in the Bible.

    All is vanity...

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

  1037. @Matra
    @Ivashka the fool

    In the 2010s most of the younger dissident right/HBDers followed Spencer's activites. Perhaps at the time it seemed WNism or whatever his 'movement' was was on the rise and he was, more or less, the leader.

    AK with Spencer in California

    After becoming disillusioned with his numerous failed endeavours Spencer has tried desperately to rebrand himself. He began this process by first attacking and thereby trying to shake off previous associations he deemed to be low status. (Very online activists like these guys who go in for 'hot takes' tend to be very socially anxious, which is understandable if your name and face are public information). I believe he now opines on totally different subjects from the ones that made him infamous and untouchable to polite society. A number of other lower profile ex-followers have gone in the same direction. AK seems to have tech, transhumanist and other interests that he can now devote his time to and try to forget about time wasted on Re-Gatherings of Russian Lands and nationalism in general.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Sic transit gloria mundi

    I made a quick search and my understanding is Richard is doing some freelance journalism for the The Hindustan Times, which if true is quite ironic.

    He was quite entertaining as a journalist back in the day, and the Radix often was an interesting read.

    OTOH, when one thinks of the early nineteenth century socialists, one finds them being socially inept, sexually -deviant and being attracted to fringe theoretical musings and unworkable social constructs. That didn’t prevent socialist ideologies from achieving major momentum in the twentieth century and in fact from becoming somewhat mainstream nowadays in the West.

    Perhaps race realistic humanistic conservative solidarism will still have his glory days and is the ideology for the twenty-second century ?

    Perhaps we’ll still see streets or even towns named after Richard B. Spencer in Pindostan and Yegor Prosvirnin in RusFed.

    Hope springs eternal.

    🙂

  1038. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Their origins are 1960s or 1970s Soviet Union, some nerdy kids in the classroom. I'm not sure they want to return to their origins as ordinary people of the Soviet republics Latvia and Belarus.

    They had a few decades, pretending to be elite people, "fake elite" who are "economists" or "businessmen", although maybe never probably accepted within the international community.

    Kudrin is now allowed to do some managing related to Yandex or relations with Israel. Chubais seems to be a real exile. They could be scammers, but at least in external policy, the world would be a better planet if the systemic liberal point of view was followed instead of the security people point of view in relation to Ukraine.

    By the way, Chubais is living in Nazareth Illit now. I couldn't extract this, but maybe there are some esoterical Biblical message someone can extract from the emigration to Nazareth. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A14-30&version=NIV

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique. But today seeing him downtrodden and cast out, being just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gated community in Israel, leaves me cold and emotionally dispassionate. Was it all worth it for him, all these evil things that he did, all this pride that he took from climbing to the top ?

    I wish I could ask him about all those millions that died because they didn’t “fit into the market” as he said while defending his reforms. Now it is him who didn’t fit.

    Anyway, at the eve of dying the first Spanish Umayad Caliph supposedly said : “When I look back at my life, I realize that for only three days have I been perfectly happy and at ease. Do not place your confidence into this world and its people. Place your faith in God only”. He was a wise man, just like the Ecclesiastes in the Bible.

    All is vanity…

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    He opposed war with Ukraine, why he is now an exile. So, it's at least not 100% inconsistent with the views of the historical celebrity of the new city. If they kill him, he can say it was for this kindness.

    His earlier career, was perhaps less consistent, to say mildly, with the historical celebrity, who was rejected by the people of Nazareth.

    "to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free."


    just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gate

     

    Going to upper Nazareth, or "Jesus area" could have something religious, but maybe more likely he wants to escape and feels safer personally in the hinterland.

    It's an Arab majority area that is a periphery zone. I don't think it's an area with any wealthy gated community, more like economical Soviet housing.

    Maybe he is not living in the place of the immigration office, but in some village or empty farm in the area.

    Kudrin's son lives in Israel and Kudrin was living in Herzliya last year. But he was possibly there for the government work related to the management of Yandex.

    Yandex's owner immigrated to Israel in 2014 and they were trying to move Yandex to Israel last year. They moved the management of Yandex there later.
    https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hkomngbd5

    Later in the year, Putin added Kudrin to the management of Yandex and perhaps he was in Israel to negotiate for the Russian part of the company.

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.
     

    I don't read so much like German Reader or Yevardian. But personally if I read an old text, I think it's better to do this without preconceptions, at least of people especially with strong opinions.

    It's like "blind testing" of wine or listening of hifi. Perhaps, it might not be so good to modify your own impressions.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    Also sort of reminds me of the Bolsheviks who created a monster-state which subsequently devoured them after it was taken over by Stalin.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique
     
    In this you are in perfect agreement with the majority of the RF residents. If you look through comments on Russian-language sites in the last ~20 years, many want other oligarchs imprisoned, but there is remarkable consensus about Chubais: people want him hanged, preferably publicly. He is arguably the most hated Russian libtard.
  1039. @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    Don’t be so bitter.
     
    It’s not about bitterness, it’s about a direct comparison of real life with these empty discussions. Real life wins hands down.

    I understand how you feel, after taking seriously Pynya’s RusFed for all these years, discovering that it is just a corrupt masquerade must be disheartening.
     
    The RF, warts and all, is far from ideal, but there is a reason people always put ideals in imaginary afterlife (many religions) or in the equally imaginary distant future (Marxism). Today’s problem is, the imperial patch is a lot more corrupt than the RF. Even more disappointing is current libtards’ push to infect the imperial patch with LGBT and woke BS. Madness is a fatal disease for society, so the imperial patch is doomed. In sharp contrast, the RF remains remarkably sane in both regards.

    Science is likely an escape, but it is rewarding. You pit your wits against nature. When in your brief lifetime you figure out something that evolution spent millions of years designing and perfecting, you feel really smart. But science is an element of current civilization, which is in danger of disappearing in a fiery storm of WWIII.

    At the moment the imperial patch is ruled not by ordinary fools, but by psychopaths. The only force that stands between life as we know it and WWIII is Putin and his team. Xi has the same sane and reasonable attitude, but he is not in the driver’s seat right now.

    the future is bright!
     
    Yes, if there is going to be future, it would be better than the present. Imperial domination will end, replaced by a multi-polar world, which will be saner and friendlier to humans.

    Replies: @orchardist, @Ivashka the fool

    Real life wins hands down.

    Of course it does. As Yahya wrote, all this posting here – it is all just good conversation. I hope you never took all that too seriously.

    And I agree that G-protein coupled receptors are interesting, especially when it comes to their signaling crosstalk. There is true complexity to be found into it. IIRC most (all ?) Serotonin receptors are 7TM GCPR.

    I wish you good luck with the project and your research to be published in a nice peer reviewed journal with a high impact factor. Seeing one’s work recognized by one’s peers is a major source of satisfaction.

    Когда Бог в помощь и люди не в обузу!

    🙂

  1040. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Navalny seemed like a normal person, that wasn’t a loser externally, even though he had the unfashionable or nonprestigious views.
     
    He is not a loser either way, externally or internally. He has tremendous fortitude. By the way, apparently he is sitting in the same cell where Dmitry Demushkin (a Russian nationalist) was once sitting. I wasn't thinking of Navalny though since he's not particularly intellectual (although not dumb). He may have had "unfashionable" views as you say (as if that was relevant when it comes to ideology, lol), but his persona was quite progressive (not in the Western sense, but in the sense that he is not a vatnik).

    There is the indication he wasn’t part of the pseudoopposition and could be restricted in Venediktov’s zoo.
     
    No, that's why he is where he is. :( He has lost a lot of weight... :(

    Although his point of view, is the naive, idealist pioneer from the 1970s, who believes he will be the hero in the Soviet children’s story, because he found everything is a secret money laundary machine. But everyone already knows this and doesn’t care, because if the laundry machine the raison d’être of the system why would it be its weakness.
     
    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they "don't care" as you imply, many don't care, but some do care.

    Yes, it’s freedom, partly created by the lower ability of the state and underinestment. But the people are also more mentally independent.
     
    Yea, this is what happens in some cases in such areas, in the US as well, this is partly where American libertarianism derives its strength from. Some parts of the North might be that way as well (but in Scandinavia they try to compensate with solidarity to alleviate this). This mental independence and freedom is very attractive, but it may also not always be safe if you encounter bad people (there are no institutions to help you). However, most people in those areas are good. They are rugged but kind folks.

    But as he says, old message was an illusion, at least in the region. The freedom, multinational toleration, brotherly peoples.
     
    I will have to listen to the "My home" lyrics once again to see where exactly he said it. That's important because his cultural background is somewhat "Soviet friendly" (understandably so, given the context).

    It’s the last believer of the brotherly peoples, like someone who had still believed the 18th century feudal illusions in the 19th century world of the bourgeoisie.
     
    It is sort of that way, but in his case the "brotherly" peoples are also about his own dvizh, in his dvizh everyone is a brother and sister.

    Songs are very matching the life structure in the postsoviet space, he is over 30, but most of the songs about life when you are 18.
     
    One of his themes is the life of teenagers and their challenges of becoming borderline delinquent. He plays with that idea because it has "an edge" and can resonate with his working class kids audience. In songs such as Малый повзрослел.

    By the way, I looked into it and he gave up a lot. His message re: Ukraine was more stern than it at first seemed. He may not be able to go to Russia now. He's giving up hundreds of thousands of euros probably, for his stance. This is truly admirable. Especially since he is not a Zmagar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists (this is worth thinking about).

    With Luka now being seriously ill, who knows how things will go.

    Only the warmest thoughts for Max Korzh and his people. 🙏


    If it’s 11pm in Tel Aviv, you can’t see Russian people, it’s lots of Israelis everywhere. If it’s 2am in Tel Aviv, most of the people who didn’t go home, are speaking Russian. The Israelis had gone home, only the romantic dreamer nationalities are walking on the streets looking at the stars.
     
    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    not a loser either way, externally or internally

    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a “negative energy” (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).

    Maybe it’s subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though. Also there is a positive impression from his family.

    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they “don’t care” as you imply, many don’t care, but some do care.

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It’s the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn’t seem to care, without knowing so much less.

    It’s the reason Black Star, is not only accepted, but it’s a pro-government. Describing the laundry machine is an indication of dominance for the population.

    “Correct attitude” of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect. You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn’t view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.

    It’s bad for the ego to say, but it’s not so different when Kadyrov’s cousins throw Germany’s annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village.

    It’s a sign of the family’s power and the response of the local people is respect and fear.

    That’s important because his cultural background is somewhat “Soviet friendly” (understandably so, given the context).

    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.

    It’s how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.

    gar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists

    He’s not anti-nationalist. It’s the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples’ right of self-determination.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly. In Ukraine, the concerts before 2020 were like festival of a gentle version of the Ukrainian nationalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU.

    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

    I’m not sure conservative is the accurate concept. Maybe the more accurate is, “more sensible”. In the classical literature in the 19th century like Dostoevsky, nobody is sleeping.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a “negative energy” (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).
     
    I understand what you mean, he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness about him (not sure it's his personality though, he may have put on that kind of a tone to sound more confident and self-assured). As to the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that, because people who make them sometimes have a negative view of the ruling power and this is conveyed in their tone. One has to be careful with that because you don't want the public to become too pessimistic or even self-destructive towards the system. The goal should be to clean the system, to eradicate corruption, not turn people hateful towards their government or the political parties.

    You know, Navalny's people actually connect the corruption issue with the war, saying that Putin needed war to keep his ratings up so he can maintain the system for his friends. If this is truly so, then it is truly horrific.

    Maybe it’s subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though.

     

    Yea, it was a different time. If he still has strength, maybe he could be released in a few years, there is definitely hope, although if the FSB stays in charge, then maybe not...

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It’s the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn’t seem to care, without knowing so much less.
     
    You know, I'm not fully sure of this, it feels like there are strata in the middle class and the working class who would want this. Yes, this is a pet topic for those upper or professional class Moscovites, but it's definitely not their monopoly. Everyone deserves to talk about this. Afaik, even the communist party members have ranted against corruption, although their angle is more against the systemic liberals and those who expatriated funds.

    “Correct attitude” of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect.

     

    This is just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

    You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn’t view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.
     
    Morgenshtern has his own money so he doesn't need to care about this. I don't know much about Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn't want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too "dirty" to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the "good kids" in the school and he is the "bad boy" who is too different.

    It’s bad for the ego to say, but it’s not so different when Kadyrov’s cousins throw Germany’s annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village
     
    .

    Right, it's the same mentality, status signaling. Some classy status signaling might be ok, but when it's overdone like this, it is immature. Luxury is actually a very subtle and refined thing and luxury can often be enjoyed in private, without these show offs. Luxury is to be enjoyed for itself and maybe with one's closest, special people, not necessarily as something public, it's a goal in itself.

    But a Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.

    Btw, you don't need to worry about your ego, there is a normal culture out there which is equally representative of Russia. Those who know that part of the culture, simply do not take all this pakazuha seriously.

    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.
     
    Yes, I'm well aware of this, but even there it is not all monolithic. There are those who are anti-Soviet, and Max Korzh wasn't really one of them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which actually suits him well, but he has said a few things where I felt he was a bit more sympathetic to certain aspects of it.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.
     
    Right. This is in line with his simple, non-pretentious, friendly, somewhat laid back persona. His persona is a "chill dude", hence his style of "singing".

    It’s how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.

     

    I'm starting to agree with that almost, however, you cannot evade reality in the end. You can only get a break from it during these concerts, maybe that's what people like. They want a little day dream wrapped in drum and bass (or phonk, as they call it these days).

    He’s not anti-nationalist. It’s the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples’ right of self-determination.
     
    Yes, of course. But I think he is against strong nationalism.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly
     
    There are different gradations of friendly, and the whole political spectrum. Yes, it was always quite friendly (why wouldn't it be, that is totally natural), but he is not like the guys from the Kastus Kalinouski regiment. Nowhere near. He was on the opposite end actually, it seems, but it will be interesting to see how he will evolve now. He sounds like he has clean principles, but the world is not simple now. To be honest, in normal times I would not find his political stance all that appealing or interesting, however, at this moment in time, it seems quite meaningful. It is appreciated.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.
     
    Well, that was probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn't use to sleep the whole night through. They would go to bed somewhat early, then get up at around 1am and stay up for an hour and then go back to sleep. At least that's what I've heard, not sure it's true (as it doesn't seem all that easy).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1041. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I suggested that Russia will keep fighting until Ukraine is out of men (and boys) and women who are willing to fight them. I never said Ukraine was out of fighting men.

    Like I said before, I will keep calling it the SMO until the White Swans bomb a major Ukrainian city. This will be a horrible thing so I hope to stick with SMO indefinitely.

    JJ, why are you so eager to start WW3?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I suggested that Russia will keep fighting until Ukraine is out of men (and boys) and women who are willing to fight them. I never said Ukraine was out of fighting men.

    I said MacGregor told us they were out of men.

    That was months ago.

    JJ, why are you so eager to start WW3?

    I do not want WW3. I would like the dictator to deescalate the situation by returning to his borders.

  1042. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The older I get and the more I look like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    From the pov of music, I listen to more laid-back ans simple songs these days:

    https://youtu.be/gMqsL4emCq4

    About the kilim rugs, there is something peculiar in the Slav love for these ковры:

    https://s14.stc.yc.kpcdn.net/share/i/12/12126963/de-1200x900.jpg

    Not that I plan to top my Jeep with one of these.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yahya

    I barely listened to the video clip, I used it because it was the only way to present the visual image that I thought was interesting. In your current quest for laid back and simpler music and your interest in Asian themes, you might enjoy listening to Kitaro’s music. He’s been one of my favorites for a very long time.

    This one always seems to hit the right notes for me. 🙂

  1043. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique. But today seeing him downtrodden and cast out, being just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gated community in Israel, leaves me cold and emotionally dispassionate. Was it all worth it for him, all these evil things that he did, all this pride that he took from climbing to the top ?

    I wish I could ask him about all those millions that died because they didn't "fit into the market" as he said while defending his reforms. Now it is him who didn't fit.

    Anyway, at the eve of dying the first Spanish Umayad Caliph supposedly said : "When I look back at my life, I realize that for only three days have I been perfectly happy and at ease. Do not place your confidence into this world and its people. Place your faith in God only". He was a wise man, just like the Ecclesiastes in the Bible.

    All is vanity...

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    He opposed war with Ukraine, why he is now an exile. So, it’s at least not 100% inconsistent with the views of the historical celebrity of the new city. If they kill him, he can say it was for this kindness.

    His earlier career, was perhaps less consistent, to say mildly, with the historical celebrity, who was rejected by the people of Nazareth.

    “to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
    and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free.”

    just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gate

    Going to upper Nazareth, or “Jesus area” could have something religious, but maybe more likely he wants to escape and feels safer personally in the hinterland.

    It’s an Arab majority area that is a periphery zone. I don’t think it’s an area with any wealthy gated community, more like economical Soviet housing.

    Maybe he is not living in the place of the immigration office, but in some village or empty farm in the area.

    Kudrin’s son lives in Israel and Kudrin was living in Herzliya last year. But he was possibly there for the government work related to the management of Yandex.

    Yandex’s owner immigrated to Israel in 2014 and they were trying to move Yandex to Israel last year. They moved the management of Yandex there later.
    https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hkomngbd5

    Later in the year, Putin added Kudrin to the management of Yandex and perhaps he was in Israel to negotiate for the Russian part of the company.

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    I don’t read so much like German Reader or Yevardian. But personally if I read an old text, I think it’s better to do this without preconceptions, at least of people especially with strong opinions.

    It’s like “blind testing” of wine or listening of hifi. Perhaps, it might not be so good to modify your own impressions.

  1044. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden. He could place HIMARS missiles in Ukraine at the start of his second term in order to look tough and deflect Democratic criticism from Russiagate (hoax or not, the Dems were still going to criticize him for it) and then once Russia would inevitably panic about this (a panic that would be much more based on reality relative to real life), Trump might have decided to throw Ukraine under the Russian bus due to his fear of nuclear war.

    If Ukraine will be militarily succeeding over the next 1.5 years, then Russia is going to look more like a loser country and Trump might feel pressured and compelled to have the US continue supporting Ukraine because why exactly should the US save the bacon of a loser country, right? But if there will be continued stalemate, then Trump will likely push for peace talks and whatnot. Though if he outright backstabs Ukraine, then Dems are going to howl to the Moon about Trump being a Russian agent/asset.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me. Including Ukraine in the US would produce a more nationalistic and European EU, after all. And Ukrainian nationalism has a virtue in the sense that it appeals more to smarter and more educated people, unlike nationalism in much of the rest of the developed world. Ukrainian nationalism is a good model for other Western nationalists, including white nationalists, to try emulating.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden.

    This is a difficult question.

    I voted for Trump twice but he was always naive about Putin.

    Trump projects certain characteristics onto dictators as if they are just businessmen. He assumes they just want a “fair deal” like everyone else. He has a hard time facing the reality of the psychopathic dictator who becomes embolden by people trying to be fair. Putin turns into a vulture when offered fairness.

    Trump most likely would have been worse for Ukraine. In fact Putin may have started his plans on the assumption that Trump would win and wouldn’t pass serious sanctions.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me.

    They make zero sense and I have been saying this from the beginning. They talk of this as a war against Jews while Orthodox men on both sides are fill the graveyards. Putin boasts of his Israeli connections and the White nationalists cheer as the Russian dictator launches missiles against civilian areas. It makes no sense and has long past the level of insanity.

    I don’t think most of them are actually White nationalists. They are misanthropes that hate the West more than anything and would happily drive a bulldozer over White women just to get a rise out of someone in DC. They hate everyone and only slightly prefer Whites over Blacks and Jews. Anglin called himself “Putin’s #1 fanboy” and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    • Agree: LatW, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.
     
    Maybe he's talking about liberal white women lol? Though even among them bestiality is non-existent lol.

    Interesting story: A couple dozen or so liberal white Polish women apparently previously got infected with HIV as a result of them having condomless sex with HIV-positive African refugee Simon Mol, who told all of them that it was racist for them to insist that he use a condom since it reinforces the stereotype that black men are HIV-positive. In his case, though, this stereotype was actually accurate but unfortunately these liberal white Polish women wanted to be politically correct and not racist against Mr. Mol, that notorious black sacred cow.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    On the other hand, he has a lot of backers who see it differently. Not to mention Kushner.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1045. @Greasy William
    @Mr. XYZ


    But if the Israeli left wants more white immigrants for Israel, why exactly aren’t they pushing for having Israel join the European Union?
     
    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It's just that everyone knows that the EU doesn't want them.

    Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Thais, Vietnamese, et cetera really aren’t that bad (at least without the risk of espionage for Chinese)
     
    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that "Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year."

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It’s just that everyone knows that the EU doesn’t want them.

    Does the EU not want them due to the Palestinian conflict or for some other reason?

    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.

    They apparently like the black Falash Mura.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that “Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year.”

    Not a surprising mentality considering that almost half of Israelis of Jewish descent have their ancestral origins in Europe.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    Greasy William doesn't know basics about Israel, he writes everything backwards like he doesn't know the introduction class.

    Israel has quite a lot of nationalism, especially the Middle Eastern Jews.

    Sudanese and Eritrean immigration was protected by the liberal institutions which are more associated to Ashkenazi demographics, while people of South Tel Aviv protested (i.e. more working class Middle Eastern Jewish demographics).

    There was even such a difference, the South Tel Aviv anti-immigrant protesters, go to protest in North Tel Aviv, where the demographics are liberal Ashkenazim.

    In this local conflict in Tel Aviv between the pro-immigrant vs. anti-immigrant activists in relation to the immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea, there are tensions related to politics which is popular with Middle Eastern vs. liberal Ashkenazi Jews.

    As for the discussion about supposed "European immigration to Israel", perhaps it would be possible in future decades, but at least nowadays the only European nationalities that immigrate with significant numbers to Israel are only Romanians and Bulgarians, more as temporary workers.

  1046. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden.

    This is a difficult question.

    I voted for Trump twice but he was always naive about Putin.

    Trump projects certain characteristics onto dictators as if they are just businessmen. He assumes they just want a "fair deal" like everyone else. He has a hard time facing the reality of the psychopathic dictator who becomes embolden by people trying to be fair. Putin turns into a vulture when offered fairness.

    Trump most likely would have been worse for Ukraine. In fact Putin may have started his plans on the assumption that Trump would win and wouldn't pass serious sanctions.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me.

    They make zero sense and I have been saying this from the beginning. They talk of this as a war against Jews while Orthodox men on both sides are fill the graveyards. Putin boasts of his Israeli connections and the White nationalists cheer as the Russian dictator launches missiles against civilian areas. It makes no sense and has long past the level of insanity.

    I don't think most of them are actually White nationalists. They are misanthropes that hate the West more than anything and would happily drive a bulldozer over White women just to get a rise out of someone in DC. They hate everyone and only slightly prefer Whites over Blacks and Jews. Anglin called himself "Putin's #1 fanboy" and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    Maybe he’s talking about liberal white women lol? Though even among them bestiality is non-existent lol.

    Interesting story: A couple dozen or so liberal white Polish women apparently previously got infected with HIV as a result of them having condomless sex with HIV-positive African refugee Simon Mol, who told all of them that it was racist for them to insist that he use a condom since it reinforces the stereotype that black men are HIV-positive. In his case, though, this stereotype was actually accurate but unfortunately these liberal white Polish women wanted to be politically correct and not racist against Mr. Mol, that notorious black sacred cow.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.
     
    Maybe he’s talking about liberal white women lol? Though even among them bestiality is non-existent lol.

    No he was referring to all White women. It's actually an incel meme. The belief is that White women would rather sleep with a dog than a virgin. It is implied that they hump dogs until they find an experienced and desired male.

    Interesting story: A couple dozen or so liberal white Polish women apparently previously got infected with HIV as a result of them having condomless sex with HIV-positive African refugee Simon Mol, who told all of them that it was racist for them to insist that he use a condom since it reinforces the stereotype that black men are HIV-positive.

    Something similar happened in California. A Black who knowingly had HIV and went on a sexual spree with liberal White women.

    There is a real problem with Blacks coming back from prison and spreading HIV. Blacks are much more likely to engage in homosexual sex while in prison. Most of it is consensual.

    It's one of those problems that is unspeakable in the MSM.
  1047. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique. But today seeing him downtrodden and cast out, being just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gated community in Israel, leaves me cold and emotionally dispassionate. Was it all worth it for him, all these evil things that he did, all this pride that he took from climbing to the top ?

    I wish I could ask him about all those millions that died because they didn't "fit into the market" as he said while defending his reforms. Now it is him who didn't fit.

    Anyway, at the eve of dying the first Spanish Umayad Caliph supposedly said : "When I look back at my life, I realize that for only three days have I been perfectly happy and at ease. Do not place your confidence into this world and its people. Place your faith in God only". He was a wise man, just like the Ecclesiastes in the Bible.

    All is vanity...

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    Also sort of reminds me of the Bolsheviks who created a monster-state which subsequently devoured them after it was taken over by Stalin.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    (((Bolshevik))) - corrected for you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1048. @AP
    @Beckow


    After 2014 ‘revolution’ Kiev banned Russian language in offices and schools
     
    A lie.

    After the 2014 revolution, Ukraine cancelled the unpopular law of 2011 that made Russian a second official language in certain regions.

    Russian was no more "banned" in 2014 than it had been in 1991-2011.

    Years later, Russian was phased out out of secondary schools. It was never eliminated from primary schools.

    I think it will be totally removed now, as a consequence of this war.

    there was the Odessa massacre of Russians
     
    A street brawl started by pro-Russian, whose first victim was a pro-Ukrainian shot dead by a pro-Russians, that ended when the pro-Russians retreated to a building that caught fire (not even known whether it was caused by an accident because the pro-Russian had stockpiled Molotov cocktails, or by the pro-Ukrainians throwing Molotov cocktails because both sides were throwing them) where 42 died.

    the hysterical hatred by the Galician Bandera groupies of anything Russian
     
    Yet the Russian state has killed far more Russian-speakers from Ukraine than the Galicians ever did. And destroyed far more of their towns.

    What was the plan by Kiev and the Western sponsors for the 10 million Russians in Ukraine?
     
    You can't help but lie, can you?

    In 2001 there were 8.3 million Russians in Ukraine.

    They enjoyed more official support for their language than Spanish-speakers have in the USA, or minorities have in France or the Baltics.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You manage with your usual stupidity to agree to all the points I made while vociferously denying it with the old-hag screams of ‘lies’. I said that Kiev banned Russian language in schools and offices in 2014 – an absolute truth. Your response?

    Russian was phased out out of secondary schools.

    Phased out? What the f..k does that mean? It was banned effective next school year. Banned, forbidden. The fact that many Russian speaking areas probably procrastinated is irrelevant. What counts was the ‘Maidan’ gment decision. And it applied to all schools.

    the Odessa massacre of Russians…

    Your response: a street brawl

    Right, just like the Kristallnacht was a ‘street brawl‘. You are a dangerous inhuman moron, 50 Russians were murdered – burnt to death by screaming Ukie nationalists. It was not only not punished, it wasn’t even investigated. Watch the French documentary about it. I would remind you that a lot of neo-Nazis use the same evasive language. Are you a one? And be honest.

    And your autistic arguing that 8.3 million is not “10 million”, just precious. Kindly, take some pills before you do more damage to your already very poor reputation.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    I said that Kiev banned Russian language in schools and offices in 2014 – an absolute truth.
     
    An absolute lie.

    It did not happen in 2014. And it did not happen in primary schools.

    Phased out? What the f..k does that mean? It was banned effective next school year.
     
    You add lie on top of lie.

    Phased out means that years later. The school regulations were made in 2017, the Russian language was phased put of secondary school gradually, until 2023.

    So that's two lies in one post.

    And it wasn't applied to primary schools. Maybe it will be now, as a result of this war.

    "the Odessa massacre of Russians…"

    Your response: a street brawl

    Right, just like the Kristallnacht was a ‘street brawl‘.
     
    Did Krystallnacht begin as a result of Jews shooting dead Germans in a parade?

    So now you lie by comparing the deadly street brawl that pro-Russians started and that ended with their defeat, to Krystallnacht.

    50 Russians were murdered – burnt to death by screaming Ukie nationalists
     
    And now you lie by turning 42 to 50.

    There were 42 victims in the building.

    The aggressors who hid in the building after losing the street fight were throwing Molotov cocktails out in the street outside, while the nationalists were throwing them inward. We don't know which one ignited the fire.

    It was not only not punished, it wasn’t even investigated. Watch the French documentary about it
     
    Is that where you got your lies from?

    Did you learn the false number of 50, or banning Russian language in 2014, from your French documentary? LOL.

    You are a dangerous inhuman moron
     
    No, that describes you. The dangerous lie about 50 people massacred, banning Russian language, etc. led to the civil war in which thousands died (mostly Russian-speakers), and then the invasion in which 100,000+ have died.

    Your lies are stupid and easily refuted, but still deadly.

    The extra stupidity of it all is that it is mostly Russian-speakers and exclusively Russian-speaking cities that have been destroyed as a direct result of the lies that your masters have spread. To avenge the deaths of 42 pro-Russians, your side have killed 10,000s of Russian speakers. Congratulations. If this were a movie, it would be a very dark comedy. But in real life, it is a tragedy.

    And your autistic arguing that 8.3 million is not “10 million”
     
    What's 1.7 million people for a liar such as you?

    damage to your already very poor reputation.
     
    Of showing what a liar you are? Nice try.
  1049. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    not a loser either way, externally or internally
     
    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a "negative energy" (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).

    Maybe it's subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though. Also there is a positive impression from his family.


    Yea, but he gave the details of the laundry machine. And it is not clear that they “don’t care” as you imply, many don’t care, but some do care.


     

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It's the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn't seem to care, without knowing so much less.

    It's the reason Black Star, is not only accepted, but it's a pro-government. Describing the laundry machine is an indication of dominance for the population.

    "Correct attitude" of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect. You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn't view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.

    -

    It's bad for the ego to say, but it's not so different when Kadyrov's cousins throw Germany's annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village.

    It's a sign of the family's power and the response of the local people is respect and fear.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkbka_njVwA


    That’s important because his cultural background is somewhat “Soviet friendly” (understandably so, given the context).
     
    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.

    It's how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.


    gar, by far, the opposite actually, so this is a huge step for him. He also criticized both sides, he criticized the invasion, but also the nationalists
     
    He's not anti-nationalist. It's the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples' right of self-determination.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly. In Ukraine, the concerts before 2020 were like festival of a gentle version of the Ukrainian nationalism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU.


    That just shows that Israelis are more conservative than dissolute Eastern Euros. With everything that comes with that.

     

    I'm not sure conservative is the accurate concept. Maybe the more accurate is, "more sensible". In the classical literature in the 19th century like Dostoevsky, nobody is sleeping.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.

    Replies: @LatW

    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a “negative energy” (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).

    I understand what you mean, he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness about him (not sure it’s his personality though, he may have put on that kind of a tone to sound more confident and self-assured). As to the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that, because people who make them sometimes have a negative view of the ruling power and this is conveyed in their tone. One has to be careful with that because you don’t want the public to become too pessimistic or even self-destructive towards the system. The goal should be to clean the system, to eradicate corruption, not turn people hateful towards their government or the political parties.

    [MORE]

    You know, Navalny’s people actually connect the corruption issue with the war, saying that Putin needed war to keep his ratings up so he can maintain the system for his friends. If this is truly so, then it is truly horrific.

    Maybe it’s subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though.

    Yea, it was a different time. If he still has strength, maybe he could be released in a few years, there is definitely hope, although if the FSB stays in charge, then maybe not…

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It’s the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn’t seem to care, without knowing so much less.

    You know, I’m not fully sure of this, it feels like there are strata in the middle class and the working class who would want this. Yes, this is a pet topic for those upper or professional class Moscovites, but it’s definitely not their monopoly. Everyone deserves to talk about this. Afaik, even the communist party members have ranted against corruption, although their angle is more against the systemic liberals and those who expatriated funds.

    “Correct attitude” of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect.

    This is just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

    You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn’t view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.

    Morgenshtern has his own money so he doesn’t need to care about this. I don’t know much about Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn’t want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too “dirty” to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the “good kids” in the school and he is the “bad boy” who is too different.

    It’s bad for the ego to say, but it’s not so different when Kadyrov’s cousins throw Germany’s annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village

    .

    Right, it’s the same mentality, status signaling. Some classy status signaling might be ok, but when it’s overdone like this, it is immature. Luxury is actually a very subtle and refined thing and luxury can often be enjoyed in private, without these show offs. Luxury is to be enjoyed for itself and maybe with one’s closest, special people, not necessarily as something public, it’s a goal in itself.

    But a Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.

    Btw, you don’t need to worry about your ego, there is a normal culture out there which is equally representative of Russia. Those who know that part of the culture, simply do not take all this pakazuha seriously.

    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.

    Yes, I’m well aware of this, but even there it is not all monolithic. There are those who are anti-Soviet, and Max Korzh wasn’t really one of them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which actually suits him well, but he has said a few things where I felt he was a bit more sympathetic to certain aspects of it.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.

    Right. This is in line with his simple, non-pretentious, friendly, somewhat laid back persona. His persona is a “chill dude”, hence his style of “singing”.

    It’s how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.

    I’m starting to agree with that almost, however, you cannot evade reality in the end. You can only get a break from it during these concerts, maybe that’s what people like. They want a little day dream wrapped in drum and bass (or phonk, as they call it these days).

    He’s not anti-nationalist. It’s the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples’ right of self-determination.

    Yes, of course. But I think he is against strong nationalism.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly

    There are different gradations of friendly, and the whole political spectrum. Yes, it was always quite friendly (why wouldn’t it be, that is totally natural), but he is not like the guys from the Kastus Kalinouski regiment. Nowhere near. He was on the opposite end actually, it seems, but it will be interesting to see how he will evolve now. He sounds like he has clean principles, but the world is not simple now. To be honest, in normal times I would not find his political stance all that appealing or interesting, however, at this moment in time, it seems quite meaningful. It is appreciated.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.

    Well, that was probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn’t use to sleep the whole night through. They would go to bed somewhat early, then get up at around 1am and stay up for an hour and then go back to sleep. At least that’s what I’ve heard, not sure it’s true (as it doesn’t seem all that easy).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness
     
    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics. He also writes with a lot of aggressive adjectives and expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a "serious country".

    You know when I read his articles, my feeling is "this is normal". Often positively, "oh they cut a lot less money than I would guess". "It must be less corrupt than I would expect". My expectation level was quite different than those people "born in a serious country".


    the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that,

     

    I'm talking about his old blog, before he became the popular YouTuber.

    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.

    Also he has more of the attitude this is a comedy, which is less of this late Soviet serious peoples' culture. For the last decades, the politics has been a kind of comedy and to fair, Navalny was talking about it in the accurate tones in the last few years.


    just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

     

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power. Postsoviet culture in Russia is just an extreme version of this. There is some idea the money laundry is secret, but the authorities want it to be public.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another "flex".


    Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn’t want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too “dirty” to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the “good kids” in the school and he is the “bad boy” who is too different.

     

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the "winners". But they probably don't dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

    It's the government which dislike Morgenshtern, as he shows the system, but with a comic point of view.


    Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.
     
    You're not supposed to like the Maybachs, it's the indication of the ruling family's power.

    Chechens don't like Kadyrov, they feel fear about him.


    them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which
     
    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like "imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place".

    probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn’t use to sleep the whole night
     
    They used to party and socialize a lot, have multi-night festivals. Even in the earlier 19th century, it was also quite sexually liberal in the villages, the church was always complaining the villagers didn't obey them.

    There are some things which didn't change that much. Partly, it's because we have distorted views of time. Young people believe 100 or 200 years is a lot of years, but older people begin to understand it is almost nothing. 19th century, 18th century, not so much has changed in the peoples' culture, if you remove the changes of clothes and how we would receive the information.

    Replies: @LatW

  1050. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    I can't find any evidence to support your allegations about Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Sure, just google it…But you would deny nose between your eyes, so talking to you is pointless…

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
    @Beckow

    Typical. Your argument is incoherent and without merit...soooooo, Google it.

    Type less. Read and meditate more. It'll change your life.

  1051. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    You know, I wonder if a second Trump term would have been much worse for Ukraine relative to Biden.

    This is a difficult question.

    I voted for Trump twice but he was always naive about Putin.

    Trump projects certain characteristics onto dictators as if they are just businessmen. He assumes they just want a "fair deal" like everyone else. He has a hard time facing the reality of the psychopathic dictator who becomes embolden by people trying to be fair. Putin turns into a vulture when offered fairness.

    Trump most likely would have been worse for Ukraine. In fact Putin may have started his plans on the assumption that Trump would win and wouldn't pass serious sanctions.

    White nationalists who support Russia make no sense to me.

    They make zero sense and I have been saying this from the beginning. They talk of this as a war against Jews while Orthodox men on both sides are fill the graveyards. Putin boasts of his Israeli connections and the White nationalists cheer as the Russian dictator launches missiles against civilian areas. It makes no sense and has long past the level of insanity.

    I don't think most of them are actually White nationalists. They are misanthropes that hate the West more than anything and would happily drive a bulldozer over White women just to get a rise out of someone in DC. They hate everyone and only slightly prefer Whites over Blacks and Jews. Anglin called himself "Putin's #1 fanboy" and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    On the other hand, he has a lot of backers who see it differently. Not to mention Kushner.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    It is an angry dwarf that is threatening WW3 over his failed plans. He could de-escalate at any time by withdrawing his forces.

    Putin assumed a quick takeover and would have been pushed out of Kiev in any scenario. The Ukrainians bought most of their American weapons on the market. They have been preparing for this war for 8 years. US military aid was minimal until the Ukrainians pushed the Russians back. The US/Brits didn't think the Ukrainians would hold.

    Even if Trump stayed neutral there still would have been embarrassment for Putin and threats against NATO.

    Thus Trump's image would be on the line and I doubt he would have sided with Putin. That means going against Western Europe which does far more trade with the US than Russia. The US actually does very little trade with Russia.

    Trump is naive when it comes to psychopaths and sociopaths. That is how he was played by swamp creatures in DC. He sits down and tries to compromise as if everything is a business deal.

    He was swindled by Schumer on the border and then the GOP talked him out of his centrist view on health care. He would be president if he listened to Bannon and ignored the Ryan/McTurtle/Schumer swamp creatures.

    Replies: @QCIC

  1052. @A123
    @QCIC

    Laxa was bizarre and long winded. 卐Mercury卐 is a pro Azov neo-Nazi.

    I would much rather have Laxa back.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Mercury卐 is a pro Azov neo-Nazi.

    ‘Mercury’ has made me recall the connection between the Roman god and ‘Wednesday’ in the Romance languages.

    At one time, when the US wasn’t so pozzed, it actually had a coin called a ‘Mercury dime.’

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_dime

    The ‘Mercury dime’ actually had the fasces prominently displayed in the center of the side that says ‘E pluribus unum.’

    Once we had a Roman god on money, but soon we will have Tubman.

  1053. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique. But today seeing him downtrodden and cast out, being just another Rusim pensionnaire drifting around some settler gated community in Israel, leaves me cold and emotionally dispassionate. Was it all worth it for him, all these evil things that he did, all this pride that he took from climbing to the top ?

    I wish I could ask him about all those millions that died because they didn't "fit into the market" as he said while defending his reforms. Now it is him who didn't fit.

    Anyway, at the eve of dying the first Spanish Umayad Caliph supposedly said : "When I look back at my life, I realize that for only three days have I been perfectly happy and at ease. Do not place your confidence into this world and its people. Place your faith in God only". He was a wise man, just like the Ecclesiastes in the Bible.

    All is vanity...

    Speaking of Nazareth, did you hear of this samizdat book, published under a pseudonym, that is being discussed around Runet ?

    https://www.litres.ru/book/anri-tuza/vzglyad-skvoz-veka-64825861/chitat-onlayn/

    I started reading, but I am not certain it is worth the effort.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    In my life there are few people I have so strongly hated and despised as Chubais and his clique

    In this you are in perfect agreement with the majority of the RF residents. If you look through comments on Russian-language sites in the last ~20 years, many want other oligarchs imprisoned, but there is remarkable consensus about Chubais: people want him hanged, preferably publicly. He is arguably the most hated Russian libtard.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  1054. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The older I get and the more I look like this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    From the pov of music, I listen to more laid-back ans simple songs these days:

    https://youtu.be/gMqsL4emCq4

    About the kilim rugs, there is something peculiar in the Slav love for these ковры:

    https://s14.stc.yc.kpcdn.net/share/i/12/12126963/de-1200x900.jpg

    Not that I plan to top my Jeep with one of these.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Yahya

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and soft music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Yahya akhi, you are being a little elitist as usual. There is a lot of simple pop music that puts some light positive emotion in one's life. Besides, the young lady that sings the song that I shared with our friend Mr Hack is really beautiful.

    https://www.facebook.com/hildurottiliahoglind

    Perhaps that would soften your judgement.

    🙂

    , @Yevardian
    @Yahya

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century's greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider's critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone's The Closed Circle, I'm curious how you'll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye'or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone's book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn't blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and "honour" (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone's himself, I like his repeated usage of "money-favouring" and the "money-favour nexus".
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781842126110-us.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Matra, @Wokechoke

  1055. @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, as the French saying goes : "il y a que les cons qui ne changent pas".

    I think you are right about the post-national angle, nations will soon be a thing of the past.

    About the post-masculine angle: "люди разные нужны, люди разные важны".

    Although I am as straight as a 2 by 4, I have always been of a live and let live attitude when it comes to adult gender preferences.

    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone, unless one is committed to overcoming attachments and being liberated from emotional burdens.

    Now, if we live aside all this retarded bloody tribal Eastern Slav conflict, I would truly love you restart blogging on a regular basis. I would like to read your takes about the technology development and the other things such as intelligence and consciousness.

    So many interesting things are ongoing right now, AI, nuclear fusion, bioengineering and synthetic biology, biomechanics, medical nanotechnology.

    I would be ready to get a subscription to read what you have to say about that.

    Okay, I won't take more of your time, cause I ain't writing anything too valuable anyways.

    Be well Tolik and stay safe if you are in RusFed.

    It was nice reading you again.

    🙂

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin

    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone

    My sentiments exactly.

    This is why I would send the super-gays to some isolated prison island, rather than locking them up in an expensive traditional prison.

  1056. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.
     
    Maybe he's talking about liberal white women lol? Though even among them bestiality is non-existent lol.

    Interesting story: A couple dozen or so liberal white Polish women apparently previously got infected with HIV as a result of them having condomless sex with HIV-positive African refugee Simon Mol, who told all of them that it was racist for them to insist that he use a condom since it reinforces the stereotype that black men are HIV-positive. In his case, though, this stereotype was actually accurate but unfortunately these liberal white Polish women wanted to be politically correct and not racist against Mr. Mol, that notorious black sacred cow.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    and then later told us that White women are whores that f-ck dogs.

    Maybe he’s talking about liberal white women lol? Though even among them bestiality is non-existent lol.

    No he was referring to all White women. It’s actually an incel meme. The belief is that White women would rather sleep with a dog than a virgin. It is implied that they hump dogs until they find an experienced and desired male.

    Interesting story: A couple dozen or so liberal white Polish women apparently previously got infected with HIV as a result of them having condomless sex with HIV-positive African refugee Simon Mol, who told all of them that it was racist for them to insist that he use a condom since it reinforces the stereotype that black men are HIV-positive.

    Something similar happened in California. A Black who knowingly had HIV and went on a sexual spree with liberal White women.

    There is a real problem with Blacks coming back from prison and spreading HIV. Blacks are much more likely to engage in homosexual sex while in prison. Most of it is consensual.

    It’s one of those problems that is unspeakable in the MSM.

  1057. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    On the other hand, he has a lot of backers who see it differently. Not to mention Kushner.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    It is an angry dwarf that is threatening WW3 over his failed plans. He could de-escalate at any time by withdrawing his forces.

    Putin assumed a quick takeover and would have been pushed out of Kiev in any scenario. The Ukrainians bought most of their American weapons on the market. They have been preparing for this war for 8 years. US military aid was minimal until the Ukrainians pushed the Russians back. The US/Brits didn’t think the Ukrainians would hold.

    Even if Trump stayed neutral there still would have been embarrassment for Putin and threats against NATO.

    Thus Trump’s image would be on the line and I doubt he would have sided with Putin. That means going against Western Europe which does far more trade with the US than Russia. The US actually does very little trade with Russia.

    Trump is naive when it comes to psychopaths and sociopaths. That is how he was played by swamp creatures in DC. He sits down and tries to compromise as if everything is a business deal.

    He was swindled by Schumer on the border and then the GOP talked him out of his centrist view on health care. He would be president if he listened to Bannon and ignored the Ryan/McTurtle/Schumer swamp creatures.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Avoiding war is one clear aspect of Trump's term, at least if we discount the weird missile strike in Syria and Soleimani.

    I think Trump would privately pressure Ukraine to fold but would publicly stay aloof from Russia.

    Trump's trump is to deal with the various oligarchs involved in this mess and tell them to shape up. He might be able to pull it off by making some weird deals. I think he would take a weird bad deal over nuclear war.

    What is the latest on Semion Mogleivich, the Russian/Ukrainian kingpin? Does he have any visibility in this or maybe he is just doing some low-profile human, organ, weapon and drug trafficking?

  1058. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Trump knows that avoiding WW3 and healing Cold War war scars with Russia is more important for US citizens (and Western civilization) than getting involved in a cultural battle/border dispute/civil war in Ukraine.

    It is an angry dwarf that is threatening WW3 over his failed plans. He could de-escalate at any time by withdrawing his forces.

    Putin assumed a quick takeover and would have been pushed out of Kiev in any scenario. The Ukrainians bought most of their American weapons on the market. They have been preparing for this war for 8 years. US military aid was minimal until the Ukrainians pushed the Russians back. The US/Brits didn't think the Ukrainians would hold.

    Even if Trump stayed neutral there still would have been embarrassment for Putin and threats against NATO.

    Thus Trump's image would be on the line and I doubt he would have sided with Putin. That means going against Western Europe which does far more trade with the US than Russia. The US actually does very little trade with Russia.

    Trump is naive when it comes to psychopaths and sociopaths. That is how he was played by swamp creatures in DC. He sits down and tries to compromise as if everything is a business deal.

    He was swindled by Schumer on the border and then the GOP talked him out of his centrist view on health care. He would be president if he listened to Bannon and ignored the Ryan/McTurtle/Schumer swamp creatures.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Avoiding war is one clear aspect of Trump’s term, at least if we discount the weird missile strike in Syria and Soleimani.

    I think Trump would privately pressure Ukraine to fold but would publicly stay aloof from Russia.

    Trump’s trump is to deal with the various oligarchs involved in this mess and tell them to shape up. He might be able to pull it off by making some weird deals. I think he would take a weird bad deal over nuclear war.

    What is the latest on Semion Mogleivich, the Russian/Ukrainian kingpin? Does he have any visibility in this or maybe he is just doing some low-profile human, organ, weapon and drug trafficking?

  1059. @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, as the French saying goes : "il y a que les cons qui ne changent pas".

    I think you are right about the post-national angle, nations will soon be a thing of the past.

    About the post-masculine angle: "люди разные нужны, люди разные важны".

    Although I am as straight as a 2 by 4, I have always been of a live and let live attitude when it comes to adult gender preferences.

    As long as it makes you feel happy and important for someone it is worth it. Life is too short to go it alone, unless one is committed to overcoming attachments and being liberated from emotional burdens.

    Now, if we live aside all this retarded bloody tribal Eastern Slav conflict, I would truly love you restart blogging on a regular basis. I would like to read your takes about the technology development and the other things such as intelligence and consciousness.

    So many interesting things are ongoing right now, AI, nuclear fusion, bioengineering and synthetic biology, biomechanics, medical nanotechnology.

    I would be ready to get a subscription to read what you have to say about that.

    Okay, I won't take more of your time, cause I ain't writing anything too valuable anyways.

    Be well Tolik and stay safe if you are in RusFed.

    It was nice reading you again.

    🙂

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin

    Although I greatly respect LGBT people, as they constitute a massive reservoir of human capital, I am sadly not gay myself. However, I no longer identify as male, but as an arbitrary object or thing, i.e. an “it”.

    First, it is a way to cope with anomie and disillusionment, being in this aspect heavily inspired by Oleg Kulik, a Russian-Ukrainian artist who came to identify as a dog to make sense of the Soviet collapse.

    https://www.artriot.art/artist.html?id=OlegKulik&ch=perfomance&tid=2

    Second, it is a kind of return to the rootlessness of my prior life, and so becoming a “parasite”.

    Third, masculinity (or femininity) as traditionally viewed is a fixed category – whereas I aspire to undergo constant mutation – as my one Prophet aside from Prosvirnin, yarowrath, always called on his followers to do.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I believe you are way too smart to feel that way for long. You are still young, you have brains, the world is vast and immensely interesting.

    Yarowrath ended up working in crypto, although I have no idea if his business got successful. Prosvirnin would have become a successful politician if his life wouldn't have been cut in such a dramatic way. You could also be successful in a scientific/technical field linked with your interests in AI and human intelligence etc. You could build some startup and have years of exciting work ahead of you.

    About us being objects or subjects, we are all in an intermediate position between these two states. I think what is important in the end is to find balance and some harmony, and to get to this stage, one needs to stop being too focused on the dark side of Reality. There is always a silver lining.

    About all the gender stuff, this is perhaps not so important. What is important in my opinion is to live a meaningful life and die a decent human being. Basically, what the Stoics of the old preached about. Everything is fleeting and imperfect, but if get our life in order, then this Reality is bearable.

    I wish you well Anatoly.

    Бог в помощь брат !

    , @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock.... and disbelief!

    I guess it's a cliche to observe that often the most demonstrative fire-breathers with ostensibly the most recalcitrant opinions are actually the most fragile. As suspected, your misanthropy is ultimately rooted in masochism, wallowing in movements rooted in first world mental illnesses aren't going to help that.

    Still, this (and this AI doomer fixation) is your most cringe self-reinvention yet, you could at least embrace your чурка roots, move to Dagestan and become an Islamist agitator, reach out to Kamil Galeev for a new prometheanism-based grift network.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  1060. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Sure, just google it...But you would deny nose between your eyes, so talking to you is pointless...

    Replies: @Johnny Rico

    Typical. Your argument is incoherent and without merit…soooooo, Google it.

    Type less. Read and meditate more. It’ll change your life.

  1061. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool

    Although I greatly respect LGBT people, as they constitute a massive reservoir of human capital, I am sadly not gay myself. However, I no longer identify as male, but as an arbitrary object or thing, i.e. an "it".

    First, it is a way to cope with anomie and disillusionment, being in this aspect heavily inspired by Oleg Kulik, a Russian-Ukrainian artist who came to identify as a dog to make sense of the Soviet collapse.

    https://www.artriot.art/artist.html?id=OlegKulik&ch=perfomance&tid=2

    Second, it is a kind of return to the rootlessness of my prior life, and so becoming a "parasite".

    Third, masculinity (or femininity) as traditionally viewed is a fixed category - whereas I aspire to undergo constant mutation - as my one Prophet aside from Prosvirnin, yarowrath, always called on his followers to do.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

    I believe you are way too smart to feel that way for long. You are still young, you have brains, the world is vast and immensely interesting.

    Yarowrath ended up working in crypto, although I have no idea if his business got successful. Prosvirnin would have become a successful politician if his life wouldn’t have been cut in such a dramatic way. You could also be successful in a scientific/technical field linked with your interests in AI and human intelligence etc. You could build some startup and have years of exciting work ahead of you.

    About us being objects or subjects, we are all in an intermediate position between these two states. I think what is important in the end is to find balance and some harmony, and to get to this stage, one needs to stop being too focused on the dark side of Reality. There is always a silver lining.

    About all the gender stuff, this is perhaps not so important. What is important in my opinion is to live a meaningful life and die a decent human being. Basically, what the Stoics of the old preached about. Everything is fleeting and imperfect, but if get our life in order, then this Reality is bearable.

    I wish you well Anatoly.

    Бог в помощь брат !

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  1062. @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    Also sort of reminds me of the Bolsheviks who created a monster-state which subsequently devoured them after it was taken over by Stalin.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    (((Bolshevik))) – corrected for you.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    Interestingly enough, a lot of Jews initially were either non-Bolshevik socialists or Bundists. But Yes, AFAIK, Jews generally supported the Reds over the Whites in the Russian Civil War. I can't really blame them since they did not have the benefit of hindsight and (probably rightly) viewed the Reds as being less anti-Semitic than the Whites were. They simply didn't anticipate that a Red Russia would make a Nazi rise to power in Germany more likely and thus pave the way for the eventual Holocaust, including in the USSR.

  1063. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and soft music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

    Yahya akhi, you are being a little elitist as usual. There is a lot of simple pop music that puts some light positive emotion in one’s life. Besides, the young lady that sings the song that I shared with our friend Mr Hack is really beautiful.

    https://www.facebook.com/hildurottiliahoglind

    Perhaps that would soften your judgement.

    🙂

    • LOL: Yahya
  1064. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    You manage with your usual stupidity to agree to all the points I made while vociferously denying it with the old-hag screams of 'lies'. I said that Kiev banned Russian language in schools and offices in 2014 - an absolute truth. Your response?


    Russian was phased out out of secondary schools.
     
    Phased out? What the f..k does that mean? It was banned effective next school year. Banned, forbidden. The fact that many Russian speaking areas probably procrastinated is irrelevant. What counts was the 'Maidan' gment decision. And it applied to all schools.

    the Odessa massacre of Russians...

    Your response: a street brawl
     
    Right, just like the Kristallnacht was a 'street brawl'. You are a dangerous inhuman moron, 50 Russians were murdered - burnt to death by screaming Ukie nationalists. It was not only not punished, it wasn't even investigated. Watch the French documentary about it. I would remind you that a lot of neo-Nazis use the same evasive language. Are you a one? And be honest.

    And your autistic arguing that 8.3 million is not "10 million", just precious. Kindly, take some pills before you do more damage to your already very poor reputation.

    Replies: @AP

    I said that Kiev banned Russian language in schools and offices in 2014 – an absolute truth.

    An absolute lie.

    It did not happen in 2014. And it did not happen in primary schools.

    Phased out? What the f..k does that mean? It was banned effective next school year.

    You add lie on top of lie.

    Phased out means that years later. The school regulations were made in 2017, the Russian language was phased put of secondary school gradually, until 2023.

    So that’s two lies in one post.

    And it wasn’t applied to primary schools. Maybe it will be now, as a result of this war.

    “the Odessa massacre of Russians…”

    Your response: a street brawl

    Right, just like the Kristallnacht was a ‘street brawl‘.

    Did Krystallnacht begin as a result of Jews shooting dead Germans in a parade?

    So now you lie by comparing the deadly street brawl that pro-Russians started and that ended with their defeat, to Krystallnacht.

    50 Russians were murdered – burnt to death by screaming Ukie nationalists

    And now you lie by turning 42 to 50.

    There were 42 victims in the building.

    The aggressors who hid in the building after losing the street fight were throwing Molotov cocktails out in the street outside, while the nationalists were throwing them inward. We don’t know which one ignited the fire.

    It was not only not punished, it wasn’t even investigated. Watch the French documentary about it

    Is that where you got your lies from?

    Did you learn the false number of 50, or banning Russian language in 2014, from your French documentary? LOL.

    You are a dangerous inhuman moron

    No, that describes you. The dangerous lie about 50 people massacred, banning Russian language, etc. led to the civil war in which thousands died (mostly Russian-speakers), and then the invasion in which 100,000+ have died.

    Your lies are stupid and easily refuted, but still deadly.

    The extra stupidity of it all is that it is mostly Russian-speakers and exclusively Russian-speaking cities that have been destroyed as a direct result of the lies that your masters have spread. To avenge the deaths of 42 pro-Russians, your side have killed 10,000s of Russian speakers. Congratulations. If this were a movie, it would be a very dark comedy. But in real life, it is a tragedy.

    And your autistic arguing that 8.3 million is not “10 million”

    What’s 1.7 million people for a liar such as you?

    damage to your already very poor reputation.

    Of showing what a liar you are? Nice try.

  1065. @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William


    Because they know it is a non starter, but they would love that and they do frequently advocate for it. It’s just that everyone knows that the EU doesn’t want them.
     
    Does the EU not want them due to the Palestinian conflict or for some other reason?

    Israeli liberals do not like non whites. The type of liberalism that exists in Western Europe and the Anglo countries does not exist in Israel.
     
    They apparently like the black Falash Mura.

    Let me give you an example of the Israeli mindset: there was this time that part of Israel got some snow in June or something and the left wing Israeli daily Yehidot Arinoth published an article boasting that “Israel is the only country in Europe (emphasis added) to get snowfall so late in the year.”
     
    Not a surprising mentality considering that almost half of Israelis of Jewish descent have their ancestral origins in Europe.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Greasy William doesn’t know basics about Israel, he writes everything backwards like he doesn’t know the introduction class.

    Israel has quite a lot of nationalism, especially the Middle Eastern Jews.

    Sudanese and Eritrean immigration was protected by the liberal institutions which are more associated to Ashkenazi demographics, while people of South Tel Aviv protested (i.e. more working class Middle Eastern Jewish demographics).

    There was even such a difference, the South Tel Aviv anti-immigrant protesters, go to protest in North Tel Aviv, where the demographics are liberal Ashkenazim.

    In this local conflict in Tel Aviv between the pro-immigrant vs. anti-immigrant activists in relation to the immigrants from Sudan and Eritrea, there are tensions related to politics which is popular with Middle Eastern vs. liberal Ashkenazi Jews.

    As for the discussion about supposed “European immigration to Israel”, perhaps it would be possible in future decades, but at least nowadays the only European nationalities that immigrate with significant numbers to Israel are only Romanians and Bulgarians, more as temporary workers.

  1066. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    There is something which seems narcissist in his voice, also his writing and blog often had a “negative energy” (not sure how to describe this, but they were not very happy or spiritual texts and had some aspects of propaganda).
     
    I understand what you mean, he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness about him (not sure it's his personality though, he may have put on that kind of a tone to sound more confident and self-assured). As to the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that, because people who make them sometimes have a negative view of the ruling power and this is conveyed in their tone. One has to be careful with that because you don't want the public to become too pessimistic or even self-destructive towards the system. The goal should be to clean the system, to eradicate corruption, not turn people hateful towards their government or the political parties.

    You know, Navalny's people actually connect the corruption issue with the war, saying that Putin needed war to keep his ratings up so he can maintain the system for his friends. If this is truly so, then it is truly horrific.

    Maybe it’s subjective projections, but I had received not the best impression of him in those days. He seemed a lot more likeable when he became a YouTuber though.

     

    Yea, it was a different time. If he still has strength, maybe he could be released in a few years, there is definitely hope, although if the FSB stays in charge, then maybe not...

    Honestly, I think caring about the laundry machine, was more something restricted in a kind of upper middle class, which he is representative of, with European aspirations. It’s the class below the elite, which was passionate about this topic, while most of the population doesn’t seem to care, without knowing so much less.
     
    You know, I'm not fully sure of this, it feels like there are strata in the middle class and the working class who would want this. Yes, this is a pet topic for those upper or professional class Moscovites, but it's definitely not their monopoly. Everyone deserves to talk about this. Afaik, even the communist party members have ranted against corruption, although their angle is more against the systemic liberals and those who expatriated funds.

    “Correct attitude” of the population to the laundry machine, was fear, jealously and respect.

     

    This is just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

    You know Morgenshtern is conflicting with Black Star culture, because he doesn’t view it seriously and this is why he is a problem for the authorities.
     
    Morgenshtern has his own money so he doesn't need to care about this. I don't know much about Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn't want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too "dirty" to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the "good kids" in the school and he is the "bad boy" who is too different.

    It’s bad for the ego to say, but it’s not so different when Kadyrov’s cousins throw Germany’s annual production of Maybachs in a Chechen village
     
    .

    Right, it's the same mentality, status signaling. Some classy status signaling might be ok, but when it's overdone like this, it is immature. Luxury is actually a very subtle and refined thing and luxury can often be enjoyed in private, without these show offs. Luxury is to be enjoyed for itself and maybe with one's closest, special people, not necessarily as something public, it's a goal in itself.

    But a Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.

    Btw, you don't need to worry about your ego, there is a normal culture out there which is equally representative of Russia. Those who know that part of the culture, simply do not take all this pakazuha seriously.

    In Belarus, they continued more of the Soviet ideology to the young people.
     
    Yes, I'm well aware of this, but even there it is not all monolithic. There are those who are anti-Soviet, and Max Korzh wasn't really one of them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which actually suits him well, but he has said a few things where I felt he was a bit more sympathetic to certain aspects of it.

    He extracted the attractive parts of brotherly peoples, avoided the unattractive parts like police state and anti-Western ideologies, added some of the feeling of liberty, which in the region is existing the most in youth.
     
    Right. This is in line with his simple, non-pretentious, friendly, somewhat laid back persona. His persona is a "chill dude", hence his style of "singing".

    It’s how the ideology of the region should have been developed in the last 30 years, if there was some utopian alternative history.

     

    I'm starting to agree with that almost, however, you cannot evade reality in the end. You can only get a break from it during these concerts, maybe that's what people like. They want a little day dream wrapped in drum and bass (or phonk, as they call it these days).

    He’s not anti-nationalist. It’s the liberal version of the brotherly peoples point of view, to respect also peoples’ right of self-determination.
     
    Yes, of course. But I think he is against strong nationalism.

    Before 2020, the Ukrainians used to view him as friendly
     
    There are different gradations of friendly, and the whole political spectrum. Yes, it was always quite friendly (why wouldn't it be, that is totally natural), but he is not like the guys from the Kastus Kalinouski regiment. Nowhere near. He was on the opposite end actually, it seems, but it will be interesting to see how he will evolve now. He sounds like he has clean principles, but the world is not simple now. To be honest, in normal times I would not find his political stance all that appealing or interesting, however, at this moment in time, it seems quite meaningful. It is appreciated.

    If you read history books, in the Russian village in the 18th century, it was common to celebrate multi-night parties and festivals.
     
    Well, that was probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn't use to sleep the whole night through. They would go to bed somewhat early, then get up at around 1am and stay up for an hour and then go back to sleep. At least that's what I've heard, not sure it's true (as it doesn't seem all that easy).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness

    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics. He also writes with a lot of aggressive adjectives and expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a “serious country”.

    You know when I read his articles, my feeling is “this is normal”. Often positively, “oh they cut a lot less money than I would guess”. “It must be less corrupt than I would expect”. My expectation level was quite different than those people “born in a serious country”.

    the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that,

    I’m talking about his old blog, before he became the popular YouTuber.

    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.

    Also he has more of the attitude this is a comedy, which is less of this late Soviet serious peoples’ culture. For the last decades, the politics has been a kind of comedy and to fair, Navalny was talking about it in the accurate tones in the last few years.

    just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power. Postsoviet culture in Russia is just an extreme version of this. There is some idea the money laundry is secret, but the authorities want it to be public.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another “flex”.

    Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn’t want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too “dirty” to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the “good kids” in the school and he is the “bad boy” who is too different.

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the “winners”. But they probably don’t dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

    It’s the government which dislike Morgenshtern, as he shows the system, but with a comic point of view.

    Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.

    You’re not supposed to like the Maybachs, it’s the indication of the ruling family’s power.

    Chechens don’t like Kadyrov, they feel fear about him.

    them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which

    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like “imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place”.

    probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn’t use to sleep the whole night

    They used to party and socialize a lot, have multi-night festivals. Even in the earlier 19th century, it was also quite sexually liberal in the villages, the church was always complaining the villagers didn’t obey them.

    There are some things which didn’t change that much. Partly, it’s because we have distorted views of time. Young people believe 100 or 200 years is a lot of years, but older people begin to understand it is almost nothing. 19th century, 18th century, not so much has changed in the peoples’ culture, if you remove the changes of clothes and how we would receive the information.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics.
     
    Strange, I've never noticed any narcissism in him, just some loud criticisms of the ruling power sometimes, but that's different. Do you know if there have been any other court speeches or statements of his since the last one a year ago? Except the Oscar thing.

    The aggressive adjectives are to get attention (but one needs to be careful not to go too far, if you call grandpa a certain word, you can get killed the next morning, a 100 meters from the Kremlin). Not sure it that's worse than being killed slowly in prison.

    expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.
     
    Well what do you expect, there are things that are scandalous.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a “serious country”.
     

    Those aren't really the late Soviet values, it might be that something is retained from the childhood experience, but these are new values from the 1990s, with the goal of Westernization and open market competition. And basic things such as freedom of assembly.

    As to "serious country"... these folks only live once and for them it is important, regardless of how the country might be perceived. And whatever country one has, serious or no, it's about the people and if they are given basic things or no.


    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.
     
    I think there is still a YouTube channel going, where his pals put out some content.

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.
     
    In an absolutist system, such as a monarchy, the king's crown is a symbol of the power bestowed to the king by God (or a higher power above). So compared to this, these elites you refer to, their actions cannot be perceived as all that great. Since they bestowed it upon themselves and then had the likes of Gundyayev bless it.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power.

     

    By the way, the Italian mafia actually took care of the community in some ways.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another “flex”.
     

    There are people out there who do not like this, these are quite different from the ones who have the Stockholm syndrome.

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the “winners”. But they probably don’t dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

     

    Well, does Morgenshtern have more fans than the artists of Black Star taken individually (except Timati)?

    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like “imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place”.
     
    He is mildly ideological. Yes, he did try to have this dvizh where everyone is together and on the same page, but sometimes he says things that sound like they are against nationalism (which from his side, I totally understand). But very subtly. He has to be careful too, not sure he wants a bunch of people showing up to his shows with the white red white flags (although there have been some). Anyway, he has made some friendly gestures, that I believe should be reciprocated (just don't know yet how, especially given the current situation).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1067. There is a liberal politician in Russia called Roizman who was regularly criticizing the special military operation on his Facebook or Instagram.

    He was arrested, but the courts were gentle.

    After all the trial, they will give him a fine of $3000, which isn’t so scary. ( https://www.vedomosti.ru/society/news/2023/05/18/975691-prokuror-zaprosil-dlya-roizmana-shtraf )

    Although his social media is still locked. I guess if he is able to continue posting the criticism, will be a test how liberal they would be in the next stage about the free speech of politicians.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    An ethnic Russian municipal politician from Moscow criticizes the SMO and gets arrested and sentenced for 7 (seven) years.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_russian/E1AC/production/_125827775_gettyimages-1241770946.jpg

    A RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg criticizes SMO and gets fined a three thousand (3000) $.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Roizman_Yevgeny.png

    Conclusion, a year in an ethnic Russian's life is equivalent to a 500 of Noviop $.

    Talmudic mathematics 101.

    BTW, when young, Roizman was a mobster in the Yeburg organized crime, which didn't prevent him from becoming the city mayor for a time.

    https://medialeaks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/e6pqyr3x0aeeupb.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

  1068. @Dmitry
    There is a liberal politician in Russia called Roizman who was regularly criticizing the special military operation on his Facebook or Instagram.

    He was arrested, but the courts were gentle.

    After all the trial, they will give him a fine of $3000, which isn't so scary. ( https://www.vedomosti.ru/society/news/2023/05/18/975691-prokuror-zaprosil-dlya-roizmana-shtraf )

    Although his social media is still locked. I guess if he is able to continue posting the criticism, will be a test how liberal they would be in the next stage about the free speech of politicians.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    An ethnic Russian municipal politician from Moscow criticizes the SMO and gets arrested and sentenced for 7 (seven) years.

    A RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg criticizes SMO and gets fined a three thousand (3000) $.

    Conclusion, a year in an ethnic Russian’s life is equivalent to a 500 of Noviop $.

    Talmudic mathematics 101.

    BTW, when young, Roizman was a mobster in the Yeburg organized crime, which didn’t prevent him from becoming the city mayor for a time.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    You say Hebrew, I say HeBro lol. He was buff as fuck when he was young. So tasty lol! ;) :D

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    didn’t prevent him from becoming the city mayor
     
    When you pretend to be someone's grandparent on the internet who wasn't introduced yet to photoshop, maybe you are overcooking with your counter-signal? After all, we are talking here about the elite hacker that wiped AltanBakshi's hard drive)

    Roizman was a mobster
     
    Well, he is from Uralmash.

    RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg
     
    The focus about racial purity can be useful for boosting the ego of the "racially pure emigrant", but how does it match judgement of courts and security people in Russia?

    Kara-Murza just received 16 years in prison. Nemtsov's body was cut with bullets.

    Of course, Roizman is a popular celebrity, which gives some protection and probably the gentle punishing. Pugacheva wrote the letter to the court. On the other hand, it's possible he has a risk, who can say.

    This topic in Russia is unclear. Not many know who they would kill, and we are the loser people trying to look in a palace window, without binoculars, a few kilometers outside the walls i.e. using our imagination. Navalny seemed to be protected for many years. But now he is in prison.


    Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?
     

    I think it is violence, they use to control other nationalities in the Islamic world by presenting themselves not as external enemies, but a protector from another external enemy.

    Turks and Persians are often dominating the Arabs, so it's natural their leaders would try to be the anti-Zionist reconquista to "rescue the Arabs", if the Zionism is interpreted in terms of a new crusade.

    Although in terms of the worst case scenario the territory of Arab land threatened by Zionism even in the more extreme format, is not exactly the size of Sasanian or Ottoman empires.

    -

    As for the part of the comment about "anglo", especially emigrants to the most civilized country in North America, there should be a lot of grateful feelings for the anglo culture, which has the most important values of free speech, the personal autonomy, balance of power.

    Like any emigrants from Pakistan that go to a developed country. Some have the ego and snobby view, as not every emigrant is from the bohemian circle, of 1980s Islamabad. Maybe there are some racially nonpure Pakistani from the mountain village.

    Islamabad might have a good cookery. The Urdu poetry was beautiful. But the snobby Islamabad person, is living in the relatively utopian Western society, enjoying the attainments of liberalism, with the difficult problem of choosing Nike to use for trail running.

    I'm not saying emigrants cannot criticize the country which welcomes them. But the emigrants should have gratitude and interest in the tradition which allow their happy new life to become possible.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1069. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ivashka the fool

    Although I greatly respect LGBT people, as they constitute a massive reservoir of human capital, I am sadly not gay myself. However, I no longer identify as male, but as an arbitrary object or thing, i.e. an "it".

    First, it is a way to cope with anomie and disillusionment, being in this aspect heavily inspired by Oleg Kulik, a Russian-Ukrainian artist who came to identify as a dog to make sense of the Soviet collapse.

    https://www.artriot.art/artist.html?id=OlegKulik&ch=perfomance&tid=2

    Second, it is a kind of return to the rootlessness of my prior life, and so becoming a "parasite".

    Third, masculinity (or femininity) as traditionally viewed is a fixed category - whereas I aspire to undergo constant mutation - as my one Prophet aside from Prosvirnin, yarowrath, always called on his followers to do.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

    Shock…. and disbelief!

    I guess it’s a cliche to observe that often the most demonstrative fire-breathers with ostensibly the most recalcitrant opinions are actually the most fragile. As suspected, your misanthropy is ultimately rooted in masochism, wallowing in movements rooted in first world mental illnesses aren’t going to help that.

    Still, this (and this AI doomer fixation) is your most cringe self-reinvention yet, you could at least embrace your чурка roots, move to Dagestan and become an Islamist agitator, reach out to Kamil Galeev for a new prometheanism-based grift network.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609791119247687680

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

  1070. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    “My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, and soft music.”

    ― Vladmir Nabakov, Strong Opinions

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Yevardian

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century’s greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider’s critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone’s The Closed Circle, I’m curious how you’ll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye’or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone’s book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn’t blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and “honour” (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone’s himself, I like his repeated usage of “money-favouring” and the “money-favour nexus”.
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yevardian

    How do Arabs compare to various non-Arab Muslims?

    , @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature
     
    I’ve read the introductions of these two books about a year ago; and some parts relating to 4-5 novels I’m familiar with. I particularly liked his analysis of Tolstoy’s Death Of Ivan Ilyich, which I view as one of the best pieces of literature I’ve read so far, a view Nabokov shares (“This story is Tolstoy’s most artistic, most perfect, and most sophisticated achievement.”) I also realized the extent of my literary unsophistication when reading Nabokov’s analysis; he has a sharp eye for detail, and manages to ring out a boatload of insights from even the tiniest detail (such as Ivan Ilyich’s name). He is also capable of zooming out and analyzing a text from a bird’s eyes perspective, incorporating historical knowledge into his analysis. An impressive mind.

    I haven’t read any of his novels yet, though I have Pale Fire and Bend Sinister on my watchlist. Too many books to read, too little time. I’ll probably read Strong Opinions first before any of his novels; I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements. :)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Matra
    @Yevardian

    I read The Closed Circle some 30 years ago as a teenager and recall it being very informative but also quite hostile to Arabs - Pryce-Jones is a Jewish Zionist who used to write for National Review back in the run-up to the Iraq war. I remember lending it to a Palestinian friend who read a page or two then gave it back saying English language books are Jewish propaganda.

    , @Wokechoke
    @Yevardian

    That author is Jewish!

  1071. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    (((Bolshevik))) - corrected for you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Interestingly enough, a lot of Jews initially were either non-Bolshevik socialists or Bundists. But Yes, AFAIK, Jews generally supported the Reds over the Whites in the Russian Civil War. I can’t really blame them since they did not have the benefit of hindsight and (probably rightly) viewed the Reds as being less anti-Semitic than the Whites were. They simply didn’t anticipate that a Red Russia would make a Nazi rise to power in Germany more likely and thus pave the way for the eventual Holocaust, including in the USSR.

  1072. @Yevardian
    @Yahya

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century's greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider's critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone's The Closed Circle, I'm curious how you'll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye'or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone's book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn't blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and "honour" (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone's himself, I like his repeated usage of "money-favouring" and the "money-favour nexus".
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781842126110-us.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Matra, @Wokechoke

    How do Arabs compare to various non-Arab Muslims?

  1073. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    An ethnic Russian municipal politician from Moscow criticizes the SMO and gets arrested and sentenced for 7 (seven) years.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_russian/E1AC/production/_125827775_gettyimages-1241770946.jpg

    A RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg criticizes SMO and gets fined a three thousand (3000) $.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Roizman_Yevgeny.png

    Conclusion, a year in an ethnic Russian's life is equivalent to a 500 of Noviop $.

    Talmudic mathematics 101.

    BTW, when young, Roizman was a mobster in the Yeburg organized crime, which didn't prevent him from becoming the city mayor for a time.

    https://medialeaks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/e6pqyr3x0aeeupb.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    You say Hebrew, I say HeBro lol. He was buff as fuck when he was young. So tasty lol! 😉 😀

  1074. @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock.... and disbelief!

    I guess it's a cliche to observe that often the most demonstrative fire-breathers with ostensibly the most recalcitrant opinions are actually the most fragile. As suspected, your misanthropy is ultimately rooted in masochism, wallowing in movements rooted in first world mental illnesses aren't going to help that.

    Still, this (and this AI doomer fixation) is your most cringe self-reinvention yet, you could at least embrace your чурка roots, move to Dagestan and become an Islamist agitator, reach out to Kamil Galeev for a new prometheanism-based grift network.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree that it is better to laugh about it all.

    When one lives in a planet-sized asylum, one better find some fun in all the madness. Anyway, it will most probably end up with mankind getting caught in the Great Filter and the Earth being inhabited by the mutated intelligent octopi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niourk

    But even then all (transhumanist) hope wouldn't be lost.

    Вера, Надежда, Любовь и матерь их София giving birth to Saklas over and over again until the end of times.

    🙂

    , @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Every society in human history has a lot of LGBT people, but organic popularity of the LGBT movement among non-LGBT people, is associated nowadays to wealthy areas with high standards of living and a kind of political respect for the values of autonomy i.e. the development of the liberal political philosophy.

    Usually, LGBT flags are the signal of the areas with high levels of economic complexity and too much standards of living.

    GDP per capita in West Bank could be above Ukraine, before the war, but it's still poor and underinvested, not similar to conditions normally associated with LGBT flags, if we look at the economic conditions that would support this.

    Maybe some of the Arab areas inside the green line, could have LGBT parades soon, if you believe there is enough "trickle down" economics. Although there is a lot of underinvestment in some of those Arab areas by the government.

    As for caucasus. It's not Norway. It's not Benelux region.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN47M7wcb3c

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?
     
    Aligning one with Islam and with Russia in order to oppose Western Supremacy both strike me as dumb lol. It's either the Western road or the Chinese road. Pick one.

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.
     
    Caucasians would rather be privileged and pampered POC in a wealthy liberal Russia than be kings of their own dirt-poor independent shithole countries lol.

    As a side note, someone should go ask Ramzan Kadyrov if butt plugs are gay when they're used by straight men and women.
  1075. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609791119247687680

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    I agree that it is better to laugh about it all.

    When one lives in a planet-sized asylum, one better find some fun in all the madness. Anyway, it will most probably end up with mankind getting caught in the Great Filter and the Earth being inhabited by the mutated intelligent octopi.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niourk

    But even then all (transhumanist) hope wouldn’t be lost.

    Вера, Надежда, Любовь и матерь их София giving birth to Saklas over and over again until the end of times.

    🙂

  1076. @Yevardian
    @Yahya

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century's greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider's critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone's The Closed Circle, I'm curious how you'll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye'or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone's book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn't blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and "honour" (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone's himself, I like his repeated usage of "money-favouring" and the "money-favour nexus".
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781842126110-us.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Matra, @Wokechoke

    His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature

    I’ve read the introductions of these two books about a year ago; and some parts relating to 4-5 novels I’m familiar with. I particularly liked his analysis of Tolstoy’s Death Of Ivan Ilyich, which I view as one of the best pieces of literature I’ve read so far, a view Nabokov shares (“This story is Tolstoy’s most artistic, most perfect, and most sophisticated achievement.”) I also realized the extent of my literary unsophistication when reading Nabokov’s analysis; he has a sharp eye for detail, and manages to ring out a boatload of insights from even the tiniest detail (such as Ivan Ilyich’s name). He is also capable of zooming out and analyzing a text from a bird’s eyes perspective, incorporating historical knowledge into his analysis. An impressive mind.

    I haven’t read any of his novels yet, though I have Pale Fire and Bend Sinister on my watchlist. Too many books to read, too little time. I’ll probably read Strong Opinions first before any of his novels; I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements. 🙂

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements.
     
    Am I not surprised.

    Ivory towers are clean and comfortable.

    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?

    😉

    Replies: @Yahya

  1077. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature
     
    I’ve read the introductions of these two books about a year ago; and some parts relating to 4-5 novels I’m familiar with. I particularly liked his analysis of Tolstoy’s Death Of Ivan Ilyich, which I view as one of the best pieces of literature I’ve read so far, a view Nabokov shares (“This story is Tolstoy’s most artistic, most perfect, and most sophisticated achievement.”) I also realized the extent of my literary unsophistication when reading Nabokov’s analysis; he has a sharp eye for detail, and manages to ring out a boatload of insights from even the tiniest detail (such as Ivan Ilyich’s name). He is also capable of zooming out and analyzing a text from a bird’s eyes perspective, incorporating historical knowledge into his analysis. An impressive mind.

    I haven’t read any of his novels yet, though I have Pale Fire and Bend Sinister on my watchlist. Too many books to read, too little time. I’ll probably read Strong Opinions first before any of his novels; I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements. :)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements.

    Am I not surprised.

    Ivory towers are clean and comfortable.

    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?

    😉

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

     

    Arabs have suffered far more from our own irrationality, incompetence and dysfunctionality than from the "ungodly Zio-Anglo" Empire.

    Put it this way: if Israel and America were to disappear tomorrow, would the Arab world experience any significant improvement as society? Would we become more prosperous and peaceful? Would our cultural and economic productivity be meaningfully elevated?

    The Palestinians might experience some perceptible improvement, since evidently Israel is a stranglehold around their necks. But the rest of the Arab world would see no difference materially or culturally; in fact quite the opposite, since like the rest of the world, much of our technological and material advancement is dependent upon American knowledge, expertise and innovation. The world would be worse off without Intel, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Oracle, Boeing and GE; Harvard, MIT and Stanford.

    Even assuming the Middle East becomes less conflict-ridden without Anglo-Zionist intervention, Charles Murray in Human Accomplishment presented statistical evidence of warfare's tendency to not diminish cultural productivity. The Athenian Golden Age (circa 479 B.C. to 322 B.C.) corresponded with the First Peloponnesian War which lasted 15 years, followed by only decade of peace and then another 30 year period of war and turmoil which culminated in Athens losing 1/3 of its population in 430 B.C. Yet this 150 year period of war and turmoil also produced Aeschylus, Pindar, Parmenides, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Herodotus, Protagoras, Euripides, Myron, Polykleitos, Lysippos, Phidias, Thucydides, Socrates, Democritus, Hippocrates, Polygnotus, Aristophanes, Zeuxis, Eudoxus, Praxiteles, Theophrastus, Plato and Aristotle.

    So the Arab world's malaise is more due to our own failures than any external agent. I wrote before that the only durable solution to our problems is to improve our human capital base, through either long-term differential fertility or genetic enhancement technologies. It would reduce poverty, improve aesthetics, and elevate our civilization’s cultural productivity. The probability of this happening is unfortunately <1%, because the people in power have faulty diagnosis' and misplaced priorities. And most people are simply incapable of absorbing inconvenient truths regarding genetics, and to a lesser extent, culture; especially when the conversation centers around deficiencies. They prefer to blame external agents for all their ills - sooths the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

  1078. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't believe my supervisor will accept a change of topic from opinion-forming and the Russia-Ukraine war to YouTube Halloween actor who wraps his cheap merch in infantile understanding of the occult.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    Besides, I applaud your fresh and critical approach on asking these questions. The cud chewing on Russia/ Ukraine conflict can be more than a little repetitious and circular.

    It would be fine and dandy with me if you sparked some original dialog pertaining what is going on. Maybe it will jump-start some different avenues or reasoning.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Barbarossa

    Stone the crows (and throw the Jews down the well) it’s Trit Laxa again.

    Arguing in good faith and all that Jazz.


    Russia is going be fine by the looks of it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  1079. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    I am enamored by his aesthetic elitism and tendency towards categorical judgements.
     
    Am I not surprised.

    Ivory towers are clean and comfortable.

    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?

    😉

    Replies: @Yahya

    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Arabs have suffered far more from our own irrationality, incompetence and dysfunctionality than from the “ungodly Zio-Anglo” Empire.

    Put it this way: if Israel and America were to disappear tomorrow, would the Arab world experience any significant improvement as society? Would we become more prosperous and peaceful? Would our cultural and economic productivity be meaningfully elevated?

    The Palestinians might experience some perceptible improvement, since evidently Israel is a stranglehold around their necks. But the rest of the Arab world would see no difference materially or culturally; in fact quite the opposite, since like the rest of the world, much of our technological and material advancement is dependent upon American knowledge, expertise and innovation. The world would be worse off without Intel, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Oracle, Boeing and GE; Harvard, MIT and Stanford.

    Even assuming the Middle East becomes less conflict-ridden without Anglo-Zionist intervention, Charles Murray in Human Accomplishment presented statistical evidence of warfare’s tendency to not diminish cultural productivity. The Athenian Golden Age (circa 479 B.C. to 322 B.C.) corresponded with the First Peloponnesian War which lasted 15 years, followed by only decade of peace and then another 30 year period of war and turmoil which culminated in Athens losing 1/3 of its population in 430 B.C. Yet this 150 year period of war and turmoil also produced Aeschylus, Pindar, Parmenides, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Herodotus, Protagoras, Euripides, Myron, Polykleitos, Lysippos, Phidias, Thucydides, Socrates, Democritus, Hippocrates, Polygnotus, Aristophanes, Zeuxis, Eudoxus, Praxiteles, Theophrastus, Plato and Aristotle.

    So the Arab world’s malaise is more due to our own failures than any external agent. I wrote before that the only durable solution to our problems is to improve our human capital base, through either long-term differential fertility or genetic enhancement technologies. It would reduce poverty, improve aesthetics, and elevate our civilization’s cultural productivity. The probability of this happening is unfortunately <1%, because the people in power have faulty diagnosis' and misplaced priorities. And most people are simply incapable of absorbing inconvenient truths regarding genetics, and to a lesser extent, culture; especially when the conversation centers around deficiencies. They prefer to blame external agents for all their ills – sooths the ego.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?

    Don't you feel the urge to do something about it ?

    I mean even an early 90ies protohypster British experimental musician that I listened to when young, has been touched by the plight and degradation of your people.

    https://www.allmusic.com/artist/muslimgauze-mn0000620392/biography

    But you will just continue reading Nabokov ?

    Wouldn't it be the time to follow in the footsteps of this man, whose grandfather you greatly admire ?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Hassani_ben_el-Hachemi

    He influenced :

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89toile_nord-africaine

    Which led to the Algerian war of independence.

    https://youtu.be/8XTJomI91yo

    I recently had the pleasure to exchange via Telegram with Russian Identitarians about what I have learned about the topic above. They were strongly interested in the OAS and its influence on the European Far Right. It was immensely gratifying to see that those people, on both sides of the conflict, idealistic both of them, still have some influence on younger minds more than two generations after the end of these events.

    These young Russian men and women are in their early 20ies, they are idealistic, they fight for what I now believe is a lost cause and I respect them greatly for that. I recall my younger years and I understand their thirst of justice and their ability to stand for their beliefs.

    What about you akhi Yahya?

    What do you truly care about?

    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?

    Feel free to tell me to f☆ck off and mind my own business. I won't be angry if you do.

    😉

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Yahya

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    or genetic enhancement
     
    Yes, I'm sure you need to wait for "genetic enhancement", before solving the problems of Cairo's traffic. Maybe also flying carpets?

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.

    Usually the main thing is not to drive the car into a wall, which was the problem recently for Putin or the postsoviet countries, which is possible with the removal of guardrails, lack of balance of power. What the probability el-Sisi will actually drive the car into a wall instead of incremental development?

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya

    Get rid of FBD cousin marriage and the Arab and Muslim worlds could possibly prosper much more.

  1080. @Yevardian
    @Yahya

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century's greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider's critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone's The Closed Circle, I'm curious how you'll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye'or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone's book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn't blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and "honour" (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone's himself, I like his repeated usage of "money-favouring" and the "money-favour nexus".
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781842126110-us.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Matra, @Wokechoke

    I read The Closed Circle some 30 years ago as a teenager and recall it being very informative but also quite hostile to Arabs – Pryce-Jones is a Jewish Zionist who used to write for National Review back in the run-up to the Iraq war. I remember lending it to a Palestinian friend who read a page or two then gave it back saying English language books are Jewish propaganda.

  1081. @S
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, you're being quite naughty Mr Hack with that picture.

    I'm sure that if Ivashka had said that about himself being 'dark and swarthy' that he was either joking, exagerrating in some fashion perhaps, or had simply overdid it at at the beach one summer in search of getting the proverbial 'perfect tan'. ;-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ivashka and I have developed a little bit of a history among ourselves, and are able to poke fun of each other, and even have disagreements. That’s what a true friendship is all about. I don’t know whether he was in a quest to get the darkest suntan or not, but he did at one time state that he had a “dark and swarthy’ look about himself. Even his latest illustration that he’s posted of himself doesn’t negate his contention:

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Where have I ever written that I am of "dark and swarthy complexion" ? I don't recall this. It is true that when I was younger, sometimes people thought that I had some Jewish or Gipsy ancestry.Once a Rabbi, sitting by my side on a plane even inquired where my "ancestors" came from and we had an interesting discussion about the Chassidim communities history in Eastern Europe, we had time to kill during our flight. A very nice man who offered me to drive me around in New York. I told him that I trace my ancestry to Russia, but didn't tell him I was a Goy, perhaps that is why he was so kind and talkative.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    I've noticed that some Ukrainians have really dark eyebrows (that can look quite attractive sometimes and even somewhat striking).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1082. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Ivashka and I have developed a little bit of a history among ourselves, and are able to poke fun of each other, and even have disagreements. That's what a true friendship is all about. I don't know whether he was in a quest to get the darkest suntan or not, but he did at one time state that he had a "dark and swarthy' look about himself. Even his latest illustration that he's posted of himself doesn't negate his contention:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Where have I ever written that I am of “dark and swarthy complexion” ? I don’t recall this. It is true that when I was younger, sometimes people thought that I had some Jewish or Gipsy ancestry.Once a Rabbi, sitting by my side on a plane even inquired where my “ancestors” came from and we had an interesting discussion about the Chassidim communities history in Eastern Europe, we had time to kill during our flight. A very nice man who offered me to drive me around in New York. I told him that I trace my ancestry to Russia, but didn’t tell him I was a Goy, perhaps that is why he was so kind and talkative.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Where have I ever written that I am of “dark and swarthy complexion” ? I don’t recall this.
     
    I could swear that I read something to this effect within the last couple of months, however, after trying twice I could not locate any such quote. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, or maybe it doesn't exist. It's clear as can be though in my mind. In my mind this comment of yours also included a visual representation, not dissimilar to the one that you've recently posted. Your admission that while in your youth some thought that you had some stereotypical Jewish or Gypsy features kind of verifies my assertion. Perhaps I'm going nuts, or perhaps I'm developing some sort of predictive powers of commenting here? Most likely, I need to take some time off from this blogging spiel...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1083. @Mr. Hack
    @S

    Ivashka and I have developed a little bit of a history among ourselves, and are able to poke fun of each other, and even have disagreements. That's what a true friendship is all about. I don't know whether he was in a quest to get the darkest suntan or not, but he did at one time state that he had a "dark and swarthy' look about himself. Even his latest illustration that he's posted of himself doesn't negate his contention:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg/640px-BodhidharmaYoshitoshi1887.jpg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    I’ve noticed that some Ukrainians have really dark eyebrows (that can look quite attractive sometimes and even somewhat striking).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    My father had bushy dark eyebrows, reminiscent of Brezhnev, an ethnic Russian that was born in Ukraine.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Leonid_Brezhnev_Portrait_%281%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

  1084. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    he used to have a barely noticeable snobbiness
     
    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics. He also writes with a lot of aggressive adjectives and expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a "serious country".

    You know when I read his articles, my feeling is "this is normal". Often positively, "oh they cut a lot less money than I would guess". "It must be less corrupt than I would expect". My expectation level was quite different than those people "born in a serious country".


    the negative vibe, anti-corruption videos often have that,

     

    I'm talking about his old blog, before he became the popular YouTuber.

    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.

    Also he has more of the attitude this is a comedy, which is less of this late Soviet serious peoples' culture. For the last decades, the politics has been a kind of comedy and to fair, Navalny was talking about it in the accurate tones in the last few years.


    just a kind of Stockholm syndrome. It may be a coping mechanism.

     

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power. Postsoviet culture in Russia is just an extreme version of this. There is some idea the money laundry is secret, but the authorities want it to be public.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another "flex".


    Black Star, but it seems sterile and non-creative. And Morgenshtern doesn’t want to submit to them because they are engagé. They probably also think he is too “dirty” to be allowed in their ranks. They are the clique of the “good kids” in the school and he is the “bad boy” who is too different.

     

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the "winners". But they probably don't dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

    It's the government which dislike Morgenshtern, as he shows the system, but with a comic point of view.


    Chechen wedding might be different, I get that. By the way, those Russian nationalists that I follow, really dislike this kind of culture.
     
    You're not supposed to like the Maybachs, it's the indication of the ruling family's power.

    Chechens don't like Kadyrov, they feel fear about him.


    them. Frankly, he has never been ideological which
     
    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like "imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place".

    probably fun. They also had trans events. Btw, apparently, in the middle ages in Europe, they didn’t use to sleep the whole night
     
    They used to party and socialize a lot, have multi-night festivals. Even in the earlier 19th century, it was also quite sexually liberal in the villages, the church was always complaining the villagers didn't obey them.

    There are some things which didn't change that much. Partly, it's because we have distorted views of time. Young people believe 100 or 200 years is a lot of years, but older people begin to understand it is almost nothing. 19th century, 18th century, not so much has changed in the peoples' culture, if you remove the changes of clothes and how we would receive the information.

    Replies: @LatW

    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics.

    Strange, I’ve never noticed any narcissism in him, just some loud criticisms of the ruling power sometimes, but that’s different. Do you know if there have been any other court speeches or statements of his since the last one a year ago? Except the Oscar thing.

    [MORE]

    The aggressive adjectives are to get attention (but one needs to be careful not to go too far, if you call grandpa a certain word, you can get killed the next morning, a 100 meters from the Kremlin). Not sure it that’s worse than being killed slowly in prison.

    expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.

    Well what do you expect, there are things that are scandalous.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a “serious country”.

    Those aren’t really the late Soviet values, it might be that something is retained from the childhood experience, but these are new values from the 1990s, with the goal of Westernization and open market competition. And basic things such as freedom of assembly.

    As to “serious country”… these folks only live once and for them it is important, regardless of how the country might be perceived. And whatever country one has, serious or no, it’s about the people and if they are given basic things or no.

    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.

    I think there is still a YouTube channel going, where his pals put out some content.

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.

    In an absolutist system, such as a monarchy, the king’s crown is a symbol of the power bestowed to the king by God (or a higher power above). So compared to this, these elites you refer to, their actions cannot be perceived as all that great. Since they bestowed it upon themselves and then had the likes of Gundyayev bless it.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power.

    By the way, the Italian mafia actually took care of the community in some ways.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another “flex”.

    There are people out there who do not like this, these are quite different from the ones who have the Stockholm syndrome.

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the “winners”. But they probably don’t dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

    Well, does Morgenshtern have more fans than the artists of Black Star taken individually (except Timati)?

    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like “imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place”.

    He is mildly ideological. Yes, he did try to have this dvizh where everyone is together and on the same page, but sometimes he says things that sound like they are against nationalism (which from his side, I totally understand). But very subtly. He has to be careful too, not sure he wants a bunch of people showing up to his shows with the white red white flags (although there have been some). Anyway, he has made some friendly gestures, that I believe should be reciprocated (just don’t know yet how, especially given the current situation).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    things that are scandalous.
     
    It's scandals for the people in developed countries like Denmark or England, Benelux region, etc but in the undeveloped countries it is the normal life. It is not Norway.

    Well I was an emigrant for many years now, so don't view my commentary as so accurate, but my emigrants' impression, people are honestly not caring about Navalny in prison.

    The culture celebrates the elites' "flexes". For thirty years, everyone in Russia over age of 11, knows the governments steals most of the country's wealth and drinks Moët and Cristal every day, but most of the people still celebrating on the internet about the hypersonic missiles, "decaying West", defense against "scary nationalism", the installation of kitsch decorations from Aliexpress in central Moscow, that symbolize the drinking of Moët and Cristal.

    There was some hope of the liberals of Generation Z. There all the media hype about the most disliked video on YouTube a few years ago before Timati removed it, was the celebration of Sobyanin's protection against LGBT parades. But outside YouTube comments, young liberals, are not a very influential demographic.

    late Soviet values, it might be that something is retained from the childhood experience, but these are new values from the 1990s, with the goal of Westernization and open market competition.
     

    Of course, but the security services have a very effective work, to convert the possibility of reforms that every developed country follows, to the association with social collapse, mass alcoholism and mafia wars.

    , these elites you refer to, their actions cannot be perceived as all that great. Since they bestowed it upon themselves

     

    I'm not sure self-crowning is uncommon historically, Romanovs, Napoleon. How is the Greek, Alexander of Macedon, "King of Persia".

    By the way, the Italian mafia actually took care of the community in some ways.

     

    There is similar in Russia, when the ruling elite stabilizes, the small corruption has fallen in the last couple decades. Big criminals don't want small criminals to steal, as small crime is stealing from big criminals.

    everyone is together and on the same page, but sometimes he says things that sound like they are against nationalism

     

    He's kind of ambiguous because he doesn't want trouble in Belarus, if you remember the controversy of a few years ago, Navalny's criticism etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6-H5u1U9c.

    He has to be careful too, not sure he wants a bunch of people showing up to his shows with the white red white flags (although there have been some).
     
    His concerts often has some nationalist aspect and he selects these clips for his official channel. In his concert in Kazan, there is the Ukrainian flag https://youtu.be/POixBqTnUSQ?t=219. and he selects the Ukrainian flag in Russia for his official video. Aside from the Ukrainian symbols, there was also the Tatar nationalism symbols. When he is in Yakutia, Yakuts' flags.
    Because he encourages this liberal interpretation of self-determination and multinational friendship.
  1085. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I guess he has the narcissist personality, like most people related to politics.
     
    Strange, I've never noticed any narcissism in him, just some loud criticisms of the ruling power sometimes, but that's different. Do you know if there have been any other court speeches or statements of his since the last one a year ago? Except the Oscar thing.

    The aggressive adjectives are to get attention (but one needs to be careful not to go too far, if you call grandpa a certain word, you can get killed the next morning, a 100 meters from the Kremlin). Not sure it that's worse than being killed slowly in prison.

    expectation the audience would be angry, although also like anyone related to politics.
     
    Well what do you expect, there are things that are scandalous.

    He is also the Moscow middle class people, with late Soviet values, that was born in a superpower and still thinks he should be living in a “serious country”.
     

    Those aren't really the late Soviet values, it might be that something is retained from the childhood experience, but these are new values from the 1990s, with the goal of Westernization and open market competition. And basic things such as freedom of assembly.

    As to "serious country"... these folks only live once and for them it is important, regardless of how the country might be perceived. And whatever country one has, serious or no, it's about the people and if they are given basic things or no.


    As YouTuber, he seemed a different personality, with likeable personality.
     
    I think there is still a YouTube channel going, where his pals put out some content.

    Elites in most of the second or third world (maybe excluding China), display their wealth publicly, just like the kings of the past have a gold crown so the people will obey.
     
    In an absolutist system, such as a monarchy, the king's crown is a symbol of the power bestowed to the king by God (or a higher power above). So compared to this, these elites you refer to, their actions cannot be perceived as all that great. Since they bestowed it upon themselves and then had the likes of Gundyayev bless it.

    Just like mafia, has to wear shiny shoes and an expensive car, to show their power.

     

    By the way, the Italian mafia actually took care of the community in some ways.

    If your region is uninvested, they want you to visit Moscow, to see they used your budget to buy the fairly lights on aliexpress to decorate the Gucci shop.

    The corruption is another “flex”.
     

    There are people out there who do not like this, these are quite different from the ones who have the Stockholm syndrome.

    Black Star is honest representative of the postsoviet society, at least of the “winners”. But they probably don’t dislike Morgenshtern, at least they still like and comment his Instagram posts.

     

    Well, does Morgenshtern have more fans than the artists of Black Star taken individually (except Timati)?

    I would say he is ideological. He has created more like a utopian society, than a music career. The ideology message was something like “imagine the postsoviet space was a normal place”.
     
    He is mildly ideological. Yes, he did try to have this dvizh where everyone is together and on the same page, but sometimes he says things that sound like they are against nationalism (which from his side, I totally understand). But very subtly. He has to be careful too, not sure he wants a bunch of people showing up to his shows with the white red white flags (although there have been some). Anyway, he has made some friendly gestures, that I believe should be reciprocated (just don't know yet how, especially given the current situation).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    things that are scandalous.

    It’s scandals for the people in developed countries like Denmark or England, Benelux region, etc but in the undeveloped countries it is the normal life. It is not Norway.

    Well I was an emigrant for many years now, so don’t view my commentary as so accurate, but my emigrants’ impression, people are honestly not caring about Navalny in prison.

    The culture celebrates the elites’ “flexes”. For thirty years, everyone in Russia over age of 11, knows the governments steals most of the country’s wealth and drinks Moët and Cristal every day, but most of the people still celebrating on the internet about the hypersonic missiles, “decaying West”, defense against “scary nationalism”, the installation of kitsch decorations from Aliexpress in central Moscow, that symbolize the drinking of Moët and Cristal.

    There was some hope of the liberals of Generation Z. There all the media hype about the most disliked video on YouTube a few years ago before Timati removed it, was the celebration of Sobyanin’s protection against LGBT parades. But outside YouTube comments, young liberals, are not a very influential demographic.

    late Soviet values, it might be that something is retained from the childhood experience, but these are new values from the 1990s, with the goal of Westernization and open market competition.

    Of course, but the security services have a very effective work, to convert the possibility of reforms that every developed country follows, to the association with social collapse, mass alcoholism and mafia wars.

    , these elites you refer to, their actions cannot be perceived as all that great. Since they bestowed it upon themselves

    I’m not sure self-crowning is uncommon historically, Romanovs, Napoleon. How is the Greek, Alexander of Macedon, “King of Persia”.

    By the way, the Italian mafia actually took care of the community in some ways.

    There is similar in Russia, when the ruling elite stabilizes, the small corruption has fallen in the last couple decades. Big criminals don’t want small criminals to steal, as small crime is stealing from big criminals.

    everyone is together and on the same page, but sometimes he says things that sound like they are against nationalism

    He’s kind of ambiguous because he doesn’t want trouble in Belarus, if you remember the controversy of a few years ago, Navalny’s criticism etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6-H5u1U9c.

    He has to be careful too, not sure he wants a bunch of people showing up to his shows with the white red white flags (although there have been some).

    His concerts often has some nationalist aspect and he selects these clips for his official channel. In his concert in Kazan, there is the Ukrainian flag https://youtu.be/POixBqTnUSQ?t=219. and he selects the Ukrainian flag in Russia for his official video. Aside from the Ukrainian symbols, there was also the Tatar nationalism symbols. When he is in Yakutia, Yakuts’ flags.
    Because he encourages this liberal interpretation of self-determination and multinational friendship.

  1086. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    but Nato is a different story: it is now official that they can’t fight
     
    What do you mean by "official"? It is not a widely held opinion.

    Nato eastward march is stalled
     
    You believe that NATO both does not want to fight and wanted to march eastward from Ukraine into Russia?

    I am having a problem squaring these two.


    They are fighting and dying for two things: so Nato can move to Ukraine and so the Russian minority is eliminated.Is that really something people should be dying for?
     
    The Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting and dying, believe they are doing so in order to stop Russian domination of their country. What do you believe privileges you to know better their motivations than them? I don't mean this dismissively, as it is normal in political discussions to assume groups' motivations, but usually there is an explanation for why such insight is possessed.

    I also looked back through your comments and saw that you were consistently bullish on Russian prospects. Had the war gone like you predicted, it would have been finished with a complete Russian victory many times over. Has the fact of Russia's withdrawal from Kherson, as well as fighting in Bakhmut for 1 year, caused you to adjust your viewpoint and question your previous assumptions? If so/not, why so/not?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Hello Hello Hello it’s Laxa!

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Wokechoke

    Aaand it's gone... (again)

    Must be the law of diminishing returns...

    🙂

  1087. @Barbarossa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Besides, I applaud your fresh and critical approach on asking these questions. The cud chewing on Russia/ Ukraine conflict can be more than a little repetitious and circular.

    It would be fine and dandy with me if you sparked some original dialog pertaining what is going on. Maybe it will jump-start some different avenues or reasoning.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Stone the crows (and throw the Jews down the well) it’s Trit Laxa again.

    Arguing in good faith and all that Jazz.

    Russia is going be fine by the looks of it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Wokechoke

    Wow, she actually had me fooled that time. Usually it's a dead giveaway from the first post.

  1088. @Yevardian
    @Yahya

    Great book, from (probably) the 20th century's greatest writer. His Lectures on Russian Literature and Lectures on Literature are well worth picking up as well.

    What have you read from Nabokov so far?

    Btw, since I noticed you reading George Antonius, you might be interested in reading an outsider's critique on the mental landscape of the Arab world, David Pryce-Jone's The Closed Circle, I'm curious how you'll find it.

    I read it back in highschool when I was reading any Islamophobic tracts (Bat Ye'or, Rushdie, Ayaan Hirsi Ali [I know], 19th cent Christian-apologist Arabists like William Muir) I could find, but this Pryce-Jone's book stands out because when highlighting the dysfunctionality of Arab society, he doesn't blame Islam at all. Instead he points all Arab pathologies originating in the continued exaltation of tribalism and obsession with the appearance of shame and "honour" (not to be confused with actual honourable behaviour).

    The book has a lot of terminology that seems to be coined by Pryce-Jone's himself, I like his repeated usage of "money-favouring" and the "money-favour nexus".
    Most importantly, his writing style is excellent, despite the sociological subject matter, the prose has a strongly literary quality.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9781842126110-us.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Matra, @Wokechoke

    That author is Jewish!

  1089. @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Hello Hello Hello it’s Laxa!

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Aaand it’s gone… (again)

    Must be the law of diminishing returns…

    🙂

  1090. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    An ethnic Russian municipal politician from Moscow criticizes the SMO and gets arrested and sentenced for 7 (seven) years.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/branded_russian/E1AC/production/_125827775_gettyimages-1241770946.jpg

    A RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg criticizes SMO and gets fined a three thousand (3000) $.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Roizman_Yevgeny.png

    Conclusion, a year in an ethnic Russian's life is equivalent to a 500 of Noviop $.

    Talmudic mathematics 101.

    BTW, when young, Roizman was a mobster in the Yeburg organized crime, which didn't prevent him from becoming the city mayor for a time.

    https://medialeaks.ru/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/e6pqyr3x0aeeupb.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Dmitry

    didn’t prevent him from becoming the city mayor

    When you pretend to be someone’s grandparent on the internet who wasn’t introduced yet to photoshop, maybe you are overcooking with your counter-signal? After all, we are talking here about the elite hacker that wiped AltanBakshi’s hard drive)

    Roizman was a mobster

    Well, he is from Uralmash.

    RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg

    The focus about racial purity can be useful for boosting the ego of the “racially pure emigrant”, but how does it match judgement of courts and security people in Russia?

    Kara-Murza just received 16 years in prison. Nemtsov’s body was cut with bullets.

    Of course, Roizman is a popular celebrity, which gives some protection and probably the gentle punishing. Pugacheva wrote the letter to the court. On the other hand, it’s possible he has a risk, who can say.

    This topic in Russia is unclear. Not many know who they would kill, and we are the loser people trying to look in a palace window, without binoculars, a few kilometers outside the walls i.e. using our imagination. Navalny seemed to be protected for many years. But now he is in prison.

    Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?

    I think it is violence, they use to control other nationalities in the Islamic world by presenting themselves not as external enemies, but a protector from another external enemy.

    Turks and Persians are often dominating the Arabs, so it’s natural their leaders would try to be the anti-Zionist reconquista to “rescue the Arabs”, if the Zionism is interpreted in terms of a new crusade.

    Although in terms of the worst case scenario the territory of Arab land threatened by Zionism even in the more extreme format, is not exactly the size of Sasanian or Ottoman empires.

    As for the part of the comment about “anglo”, especially emigrants to the most civilized country in North America, there should be a lot of grateful feelings for the anglo culture, which has the most important values of free speech, the personal autonomy, balance of power.

    Like any emigrants from Pakistan that go to a developed country. Some have the ego and snobby view, as not every emigrant is from the bohemian circle, of 1980s Islamabad. Maybe there are some racially nonpure Pakistani from the mountain village.

    Islamabad might have a good cookery. The Urdu poetry was beautiful. But the snobby Islamabad person, is living in the relatively utopian Western society, enjoying the attainments of liberalism, with the difficult problem of choosing Nike to use for trail running.

    I’m not saying emigrants cannot criticize the country which welcomes them. But the emigrants should have gratitude and interest in the tradition which allow their happy new life to become possible.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I have never criticized the countries that welcomed me. At least not before I left them and moved to another location.

    And regarding Roizman, what I get from your explanation is that he was protected because he was a Noviop mobster and not because he was a Noviop opposition politician.

    You know, каждый понимает в меру своей испорченности.


    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1091. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

     

    Arabs have suffered far more from our own irrationality, incompetence and dysfunctionality than from the "ungodly Zio-Anglo" Empire.

    Put it this way: if Israel and America were to disappear tomorrow, would the Arab world experience any significant improvement as society? Would we become more prosperous and peaceful? Would our cultural and economic productivity be meaningfully elevated?

    The Palestinians might experience some perceptible improvement, since evidently Israel is a stranglehold around their necks. But the rest of the Arab world would see no difference materially or culturally; in fact quite the opposite, since like the rest of the world, much of our technological and material advancement is dependent upon American knowledge, expertise and innovation. The world would be worse off without Intel, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Oracle, Boeing and GE; Harvard, MIT and Stanford.

    Even assuming the Middle East becomes less conflict-ridden without Anglo-Zionist intervention, Charles Murray in Human Accomplishment presented statistical evidence of warfare's tendency to not diminish cultural productivity. The Athenian Golden Age (circa 479 B.C. to 322 B.C.) corresponded with the First Peloponnesian War which lasted 15 years, followed by only decade of peace and then another 30 year period of war and turmoil which culminated in Athens losing 1/3 of its population in 430 B.C. Yet this 150 year period of war and turmoil also produced Aeschylus, Pindar, Parmenides, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Herodotus, Protagoras, Euripides, Myron, Polykleitos, Lysippos, Phidias, Thucydides, Socrates, Democritus, Hippocrates, Polygnotus, Aristophanes, Zeuxis, Eudoxus, Praxiteles, Theophrastus, Plato and Aristotle.

    So the Arab world's malaise is more due to our own failures than any external agent. I wrote before that the only durable solution to our problems is to improve our human capital base, through either long-term differential fertility or genetic enhancement technologies. It would reduce poverty, improve aesthetics, and elevate our civilization’s cultural productivity. The probability of this happening is unfortunately <1%, because the people in power have faulty diagnosis' and misplaced priorities. And most people are simply incapable of absorbing inconvenient truths regarding genetics, and to a lesser extent, culture; especially when the conversation centers around deficiencies. They prefer to blame external agents for all their ills - sooths the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?

    Don’t you feel the urge to do something about it ?

    I mean even an early 90ies protohypster British experimental musician that I listened to when young, has been touched by the plight and degradation of your people.

    https://www.allmusic.com/artist/muslimgauze-mn0000620392/biography

    But you will just continue reading Nabokov ?

    Wouldn’t it be the time to follow in the footsteps of this man, whose grandfather you greatly admire ?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Hassani_ben_el-Hachemi

    He influenced :

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89toile_nord-africaine

    Which led to the Algerian war of independence.

    I recently had the pleasure to exchange via Telegram with Russian Identitarians about what I have learned about the topic above. They were strongly interested in the OAS and its influence on the European Far Right. It was immensely gratifying to see that those people, on both sides of the conflict, idealistic both of them, still have some influence on younger minds more than two generations after the end of these events.

    These young Russian men and women are in their early 20ies, they are idealistic, they fight for what I now believe is a lost cause and I respect them greatly for that. I recall my younger years and I understand their thirst of justice and their ability to stand for their beliefs.

    What about you akhi Yahya?

    What do you truly care about?

    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?

    Feel free to tell me to f☆ck off and mind my own business. I won’t be angry if you do.

    😉

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool


    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?
     
    They're more noble objects of sacrifice than for Islam or a non-existent pan-Arab identity in any age.

    Considering your own interest in Родноверия and haplogroups, shouldn't you be more sympathetic to stuff like Pharaohnism and Phoenicianism than a movement invented largely by MENA Christians, in an (ultimately futile) attempt to avoid persecution by re-identifying as 'Arabs'?

    Anyway, what is it with otherwise overwhelmingly anti-religious Sovok Slavs and their Islamophilia? I saw the same thing with Gerard, the Dragon-man's endless spat with AP, and Beckow.
    I suppose it was just strategic alignments of the USSR filtering into the education system, portraying thugs like Carlos the Jackal or the PFLP as heroes.

    True art is vanishingly rare and eternal.
    Sordid nationalistic squabbles, resentments and chimpouts can be found everywhere from professional breitbart grifters to Andaman islanders... or every human society that ever existed.

    Both Arabs and the Judeo-Muslim faith (where is A123 actually? I almost miss him) continue to be exported around the world, they're not going anywhere.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?
     
    I’ve already explained my viewpoints on this issue. The abject state of degradation of the Ummah has multiple causes. It can only be alleviated by elitism, realism and rationalism.

    As Gregory Clark demonstrated in Farewell to Alms, the British had undergone several centuries of positive fertility differential between rich and poor. Wealthier testators begot more children who were more likely to survive through to adulthood than poorer children. The Windsors, Cromwells, Buckinghams, Courtenays, Tudors, and Wilberforces multiplied exponentially and began to constitute a greater share of English society over time. The result was a gradual process of bourgousification of English society, which became more intelligent, industrious, thirty and providential; and ultimately more prosperous, peaceful and productive.


    https://i.ibb.co/qdmBxp8/9403-B444-0-E6-E-470-E-A648-76-DDF2-A11482.jpg


    This is the path everyone must follow to attain functionality.

    That, or sit atop a mass of oil, diamonds or gold.

    If you have any alternatives, I’d be happy to hear it.


    Don’t you feel the urge to do something about it ?
     
    No.

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?
     
    Which ideals currently in fashion among the Boobus Arabicus should I be dying for? Democracy? Islamism? Socialism? Pan-Arabism?

    Have you not been paying attention to the events in the Arab world over the past 10 years? Did you not witness the palpable failures of high-minded idealism? Young idealistic males my age, whom you would have me emulate, took to the streets in a fervor of hope and optimism, thinking they can improve their situation by overthrowing the Old Regime, and putting something better in place. They ended up with a regressive, incompetent and downright absurd Islamist regime, followed by an even more repressive, somewhat less absurd, but abjectly incompetent regime of midwit military officers.

    If a Lee Kuan Yew, Cardinal Richelieu, or Mustafa Kemal appeared on the scene, I might feel inclined to jump into the water and provide political support to these rational, competent men. But as it stands, there is nothing and no-one that gives one political motivation or encouragement. The only solution is to retreat to seclusion, develop a sense of equanimity, and accept the reality of human irrationality.

    @Dmitry


    before solving the problems of Cairo’s traffic.
     
    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.
     
    Egypt already had sufficient time for economic development, and was exposed to the best governmental software through colonial occupation by the two leading nations of the 19th century.

    But it was South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt remained among the bottom ranks of global prosperity.


    https://i.ibb.co/9VTQcdD/469285-A8-E399-4329-BE67-B78-B04-D357-B7.jpg


    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

    But according to you, it’s just a coincidence that all these Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best practices.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  1092. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    didn’t prevent him from becoming the city mayor
     
    When you pretend to be someone's grandparent on the internet who wasn't introduced yet to photoshop, maybe you are overcooking with your counter-signal? After all, we are talking here about the elite hacker that wiped AltanBakshi's hard drive)

    Roizman was a mobster
     
    Well, he is from Uralmash.

    RusFedian ethnic Jewish politician from Yeburg
     
    The focus about racial purity can be useful for boosting the ego of the "racially pure emigrant", but how does it match judgement of courts and security people in Russia?

    Kara-Murza just received 16 years in prison. Nemtsov's body was cut with bullets.

    Of course, Roizman is a popular celebrity, which gives some protection and probably the gentle punishing. Pugacheva wrote the letter to the court. On the other hand, it's possible he has a risk, who can say.

    This topic in Russia is unclear. Not many know who they would kill, and we are the loser people trying to look in a palace window, without binoculars, a few kilometers outside the walls i.e. using our imagination. Navalny seemed to be protected for many years. But now he is in prison.


    Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

    Do you plan to do anything about it, or is it up to the Persian and Yemeni Shiah to do all the dirty work?
     

    I think it is violence, they use to control other nationalities in the Islamic world by presenting themselves not as external enemies, but a protector from another external enemy.

    Turks and Persians are often dominating the Arabs, so it's natural their leaders would try to be the anti-Zionist reconquista to "rescue the Arabs", if the Zionism is interpreted in terms of a new crusade.

    Although in terms of the worst case scenario the territory of Arab land threatened by Zionism even in the more extreme format, is not exactly the size of Sasanian or Ottoman empires.

    -

    As for the part of the comment about "anglo", especially emigrants to the most civilized country in North America, there should be a lot of grateful feelings for the anglo culture, which has the most important values of free speech, the personal autonomy, balance of power.

    Like any emigrants from Pakistan that go to a developed country. Some have the ego and snobby view, as not every emigrant is from the bohemian circle, of 1980s Islamabad. Maybe there are some racially nonpure Pakistani from the mountain village.

    Islamabad might have a good cookery. The Urdu poetry was beautiful. But the snobby Islamabad person, is living in the relatively utopian Western society, enjoying the attainments of liberalism, with the difficult problem of choosing Nike to use for trail running.

    I'm not saying emigrants cannot criticize the country which welcomes them. But the emigrants should have gratitude and interest in the tradition which allow their happy new life to become possible.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I have never criticized the countries that welcomed me. At least not before I left them and moved to another location.

    And regarding Roizman, what I get from your explanation is that he was protected because he was a Noviop mobster and not because he was a Noviop opposition politician.

    You know, каждый понимает в меру своей испорченности.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't have such a positive view of Roizman, but people from Uralmash is more sympathetic origin to me than a snobby racist Moscow bohemian, who seems only interested in promoting the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  1093. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609791119247687680

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    Every society in human history has a lot of LGBT people, but organic popularity of the LGBT movement among non-LGBT people, is associated nowadays to wealthy areas with high standards of living and a kind of political respect for the values of autonomy i.e. the development of the liberal political philosophy.

    Usually, LGBT flags are the signal of the areas with high levels of economic complexity and too much standards of living.

    GDP per capita in West Bank could be above Ukraine, before the war, but it’s still poor and underinvested, not similar to conditions normally associated with LGBT flags, if we look at the economic conditions that would support this.

    Maybe some of the Arab areas inside the green line, could have LGBT parades soon, if you believe there is enough “trickle down” economics. Although there is a lot of underinvestment in some of those Arab areas by the government.

    As for caucasus. It’s not Norway. It’s not Benelux region.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    I doubt this "organic popularity" will last very long when the propaganda is turned off. I think in the clear light of day the negatives of this 'celebration' will be quickly recognized by the sleepwalkers and a more realistic balance can be found.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1094. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I have never criticized the countries that welcomed me. At least not before I left them and moved to another location.

    And regarding Roizman, what I get from your explanation is that he was protected because he was a Noviop mobster and not because he was a Noviop opposition politician.

    You know, каждый понимает в меру своей испорченности.


    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I don’t have such a positive view of Roizman, but people from Uralmash is more sympathetic origin to me than a snobby racist Moscow bohemian, who seems only interested in promoting the ego.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    The excuisite fruit of incremental social progress:

    https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/_louis-vuitton-x-nike-air-force-1-low-or-size-75-e369

    The snobby racist Muskovite be like:

    https://youtu.be/pH2ozq65yHQ

    🙂

    , @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    Btw, that comments is very nicely written and concise, which is not common for me, but sounds a bit rude to my beloved Bashibuzuk.

    If I had self-discipline of Utu I could avoid damaging the comment with explanation. But I can't be like Utu unfortunately.

    All these replies about the racial purity which is designed to promote the ego of our forum's only racially pure emigrant from snobby intellectual circles, is not the explanation for local politics or gentle decision for Roizman.

    Uralmash is place in Russia which is not popular with snobby people from Moscow, also not exactly the route to power and palaces of Moscow even in the mafia epoch.

    Obviously, Roizman is not protected by his origin, which is very nonelite if I remember, neither the racial impurity. He also isn't very connected in the local politics and kind of hated by the local political class, which is also not racially pure.

    Moscow decide to be gentle with him. Why? But those decisions are opaque for the outsiders, which is why Russian politics is like a Rorschach test.

    But Roizman is popular with the local population, so this is likely part of the calculation for the decision.

    One of the reasons they can be gentle with him, of course, is because they can always change their decision later. Navalny has probably survived many times they decided to be gentle with him

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1095. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

     

    Arabs have suffered far more from our own irrationality, incompetence and dysfunctionality than from the "ungodly Zio-Anglo" Empire.

    Put it this way: if Israel and America were to disappear tomorrow, would the Arab world experience any significant improvement as society? Would we become more prosperous and peaceful? Would our cultural and economic productivity be meaningfully elevated?

    The Palestinians might experience some perceptible improvement, since evidently Israel is a stranglehold around their necks. But the rest of the Arab world would see no difference materially or culturally; in fact quite the opposite, since like the rest of the world, much of our technological and material advancement is dependent upon American knowledge, expertise and innovation. The world would be worse off without Intel, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Oracle, Boeing and GE; Harvard, MIT and Stanford.

    Even assuming the Middle East becomes less conflict-ridden without Anglo-Zionist intervention, Charles Murray in Human Accomplishment presented statistical evidence of warfare's tendency to not diminish cultural productivity. The Athenian Golden Age (circa 479 B.C. to 322 B.C.) corresponded with the First Peloponnesian War which lasted 15 years, followed by only decade of peace and then another 30 year period of war and turmoil which culminated in Athens losing 1/3 of its population in 430 B.C. Yet this 150 year period of war and turmoil also produced Aeschylus, Pindar, Parmenides, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Herodotus, Protagoras, Euripides, Myron, Polykleitos, Lysippos, Phidias, Thucydides, Socrates, Democritus, Hippocrates, Polygnotus, Aristophanes, Zeuxis, Eudoxus, Praxiteles, Theophrastus, Plato and Aristotle.

    So the Arab world's malaise is more due to our own failures than any external agent. I wrote before that the only durable solution to our problems is to improve our human capital base, through either long-term differential fertility or genetic enhancement technologies. It would reduce poverty, improve aesthetics, and elevate our civilization’s cultural productivity. The probability of this happening is unfortunately <1%, because the people in power have faulty diagnosis' and misplaced priorities. And most people are simply incapable of absorbing inconvenient truths regarding genetics, and to a lesser extent, culture; especially when the conversation centers around deficiencies. They prefer to blame external agents for all their ills - sooths the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    or genetic enhancement

    Yes, I’m sure you need to wait for “genetic enhancement”, before solving the problems of Cairo’s traffic. Maybe also flying carpets?

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.

    Usually the main thing is not to drive the car into a wall, which was the problem recently for Putin or the postsoviet countries, which is possible with the removal of guardrails, lack of balance of power. What the probability el-Sisi will actually drive the car into a wall instead of incremental development?

  1096. @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Every society in human history has a lot of LGBT people, but organic popularity of the LGBT movement among non-LGBT people, is associated nowadays to wealthy areas with high standards of living and a kind of political respect for the values of autonomy i.e. the development of the liberal political philosophy.

    Usually, LGBT flags are the signal of the areas with high levels of economic complexity and too much standards of living.

    GDP per capita in West Bank could be above Ukraine, before the war, but it's still poor and underinvested, not similar to conditions normally associated with LGBT flags, if we look at the economic conditions that would support this.

    Maybe some of the Arab areas inside the green line, could have LGBT parades soon, if you believe there is enough "trickle down" economics. Although there is a lot of underinvestment in some of those Arab areas by the government.

    As for caucasus. It's not Norway. It's not Benelux region.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN47M7wcb3c

    Replies: @QCIC

    I doubt this “organic popularity” will last very long when the propaganda is turned off. I think in the clear light of day the negatives of this ‘celebration’ will be quickly recognized by the sleepwalkers and a more realistic balance can be found.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    I wouldn't underestimate it, if you know what it's like in the wealthy zones. If you live in those areas.

    The wealthy young people are often more passionate about these ideologies than the authorities. They are doing the symbolism, before the official culture accepts it.

    A lot of the ideology, was constructed in the university earlier, but there are many university ideologies, nobody cares about. The university can begin the tinder, but the fire requires a suitable material.

    You can try to astroturf it, but without the suitable economic level, it would be like Tbilisi, with a small minority of liberals and the majority of the people rejecting it and beating the liberals.

    What allows the popularity in other areas? It's a specific economic level and kind of wealthy population. This population is very limited in the low and middle income countries.

    But in the high income countries where there is a university, at least a large minority have this personality.

    So, if you have a university, with hi-tech industry and the bicycle paths, then in that kind of area it becomes a majority that likes these ideologies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8LBdTRCsM.

  1097. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't have such a positive view of Roizman, but people from Uralmash is more sympathetic origin to me than a snobby racist Moscow bohemian, who seems only interested in promoting the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    The excuisite fruit of incremental social progress:

    https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/_louis-vuitton-x-nike-air-force-1-low-or-size-75-e369

    The snobby racist Muskovite be like:

    🙂

    • LOL: S
  1098. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't have such a positive view of Roizman, but people from Uralmash is more sympathetic origin to me than a snobby racist Moscow bohemian, who seems only interested in promoting the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Btw, that comments is very nicely written and concise, which is not common for me, but sounds a bit rude to my beloved Bashibuzuk.

    If I had self-discipline of Utu I could avoid damaging the comment with explanation. But I can’t be like Utu unfortunately.

    All these replies about the racial purity which is designed to promote the ego of our forum’s only racially pure emigrant from snobby intellectual circles, is not the explanation for local politics or gentle decision for Roizman.

    Uralmash is place in Russia which is not popular with snobby people from Moscow, also not exactly the route to power and palaces of Moscow even in the mafia epoch.

    Obviously, Roizman is not protected by his origin, which is very nonelite if I remember, neither the racial impurity. He also isn’t very connected in the local politics and kind of hated by the local political class, which is also not racially pure.

    Moscow decide to be gentle with him. Why? But those decisions are opaque for the outsiders, which is why Russian politics is like a Rorschach test.

    But Roizman is popular with the local population, so this is likely part of the calculation for the decision.

    One of the reasons they can be gentle with him, of course, is because they can always change their decision later. Navalny has probably survived many times they decided to be gentle with him

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Dima, being a Noviop doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Only the Noviop who hate or despise their average Russian neighbors and colleagues are scum.

    Other Noviops are okay. I have excellent Noviop Muscovite friends who love and understand Russian art, culture, history and politics and who feel that they are part and parcel of the Russian people. It is always a pleasure to see them and spend time with them when I am back to the old country.

    About the Uralmash gang, I would have gotten very well with these guys when young, not so much today. I started фарцевать when I was 16 years old and only stopped moving in these circles when I emigrated. So I have known these types.

    Speaking of the Noviop, Псой Короленко is really cool:

    https://youtu.be/NS0rwed0gjE

    He's a real Noviop genius (I am not kidding, the guy's IQ must be 150+).

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1099. @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    I doubt this "organic popularity" will last very long when the propaganda is turned off. I think in the clear light of day the negatives of this 'celebration' will be quickly recognized by the sleepwalkers and a more realistic balance can be found.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I wouldn’t underestimate it, if you know what it’s like in the wealthy zones. If you live in those areas.

    The wealthy young people are often more passionate about these ideologies than the authorities. They are doing the symbolism, before the official culture accepts it.

    A lot of the ideology, was constructed in the university earlier, but there are many university ideologies, nobody cares about. The university can begin the tinder, but the fire requires a suitable material.

    You can try to astroturf it, but without the suitable economic level, it would be like Tbilisi, with a small minority of liberals and the majority of the people rejecting it and beating the liberals.

    What allows the popularity in other areas? It’s a specific economic level and kind of wealthy population. This population is very limited in the low and middle income countries.

    But in the high income countries where there is a university, at least a large minority have this personality.

    So, if you have a university, with hi-tech industry and the bicycle paths, then in that kind of area it becomes a majority that likes these ideologies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA8LBdTRCsM.

  1100. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    Btw, that comments is very nicely written and concise, which is not common for me, but sounds a bit rude to my beloved Bashibuzuk.

    If I had self-discipline of Utu I could avoid damaging the comment with explanation. But I can't be like Utu unfortunately.

    All these replies about the racial purity which is designed to promote the ego of our forum's only racially pure emigrant from snobby intellectual circles, is not the explanation for local politics or gentle decision for Roizman.

    Uralmash is place in Russia which is not popular with snobby people from Moscow, also not exactly the route to power and palaces of Moscow even in the mafia epoch.

    Obviously, Roizman is not protected by his origin, which is very nonelite if I remember, neither the racial impurity. He also isn't very connected in the local politics and kind of hated by the local political class, which is also not racially pure.

    Moscow decide to be gentle with him. Why? But those decisions are opaque for the outsiders, which is why Russian politics is like a Rorschach test.

    But Roizman is popular with the local population, so this is likely part of the calculation for the decision.

    One of the reasons they can be gentle with him, of course, is because they can always change their decision later. Navalny has probably survived many times they decided to be gentle with him

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Dima, being a Noviop doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person. Only the Noviop who hate or despise their average Russian neighbors and colleagues are scum.

    Other Noviops are okay. I have excellent Noviop Muscovite friends who love and understand Russian art, culture, history and politics and who feel that they are part and parcel of the Russian people. It is always a pleasure to see them and spend time with them when I am back to the old country.

    About the Uralmash gang, I would have gotten very well with these guys when young, not so much today. I started фарцевать when I was 16 years old and only stopped moving in these circles when I emigrated. So I have known these types.

    Speaking of the Noviop, Псой Короленко is really cool:

    He’s a real Noviop genius (I am not kidding, the guy’s IQ must be 150+).

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Have you seen "Once Upon a Time in America"?

    I remember talking to German Reader, he couldn't accept the film "Once Upon a Time in America", because the story is too unviable as the historical process. But a lot of the elite formation in some regions is like the end of the film.


    -


    LatW in this thread writes that Italian mafia is sometimes doing a "social services" for the region.

    In the earlier, Roizman was an activist for the "social services" that has developed in that region and was trying to reduce that particular region's social dysfunction. It was a strange kind of "civil society".

    There were negative stories with those of bad treatment for the addicts, although it's not always directly related to the Roizman's center. Also, there were a lot of the rehabilitated people, who love Roizman today.

    He might be villain or hero, but it is idiotic to say he has some special privileged because he is not racially pure, or has the Yiddish family name, as he has always been negatively privileged by the government and the local elites. The local poltiicians removed Roizman in the end, not the voters. He is an ideological liberal and unpopular with local authorities.

    It's just a speculation, but perhaps the gentle punishment, is also related to the feeling Moscow can't pull too much on that local region.

    There was a lot of the clown performance of Kremlin media was attacking the local elites last year. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/04/2022/626bb4be9a7947e517bc07d9 After even enemies of Roizman were sounding more sympathetic to his view https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/08/2022/6305dd999a794776e3fee622

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1101. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?

    Don't you feel the urge to do something about it ?

    I mean even an early 90ies protohypster British experimental musician that I listened to when young, has been touched by the plight and degradation of your people.

    https://www.allmusic.com/artist/muslimgauze-mn0000620392/biography

    But you will just continue reading Nabokov ?

    Wouldn't it be the time to follow in the footsteps of this man, whose grandfather you greatly admire ?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Hassani_ben_el-Hachemi

    He influenced :

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89toile_nord-africaine

    Which led to the Algerian war of independence.

    https://youtu.be/8XTJomI91yo

    I recently had the pleasure to exchange via Telegram with Russian Identitarians about what I have learned about the topic above. They were strongly interested in the OAS and its influence on the European Far Right. It was immensely gratifying to see that those people, on both sides of the conflict, idealistic both of them, still have some influence on younger minds more than two generations after the end of these events.

    These young Russian men and women are in their early 20ies, they are idealistic, they fight for what I now believe is a lost cause and I respect them greatly for that. I recall my younger years and I understand their thirst of justice and their ability to stand for their beliefs.

    What about you akhi Yahya?

    What do you truly care about?

    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?

    Feel free to tell me to f☆ck off and mind my own business. I won't be angry if you do.

    😉

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Yahya

    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?

    They’re more noble objects of sacrifice than for Islam or a non-existent pan-Arab identity in any age.

    Considering your own interest in Родноверия and haplogroups, shouldn’t you be more sympathetic to stuff like Pharaohnism and Phoenicianism than a movement invented largely by MENA Christians, in an (ultimately futile) attempt to avoid persecution by re-identifying as ‘Arabs’?

    Anyway, what is it with otherwise overwhelmingly anti-religious Sovok Slavs and their Islamophilia? I saw the same thing with Gerard, the Dragon-man’s endless spat with AP, and Beckow.
    I suppose it was just strategic alignments of the USSR filtering into the education system, portraying thugs like Carlos the Jackal or the PFLP as heroes.

    True art is vanishingly rare and eternal.
    Sordid nationalistic squabbles, resentments and chimpouts can be found everywhere from professional breitbart grifters to Andaman islanders… or every human society that ever existed.

    Both Arabs and the Judeo-Muslim faith (where is A123 actually? I almost miss him) continue to be exported around the world, they’re not going anywhere.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yevardian

    I have no Islamophilic inclinations, but I do appreciate the achievements of the Islamic culture at its highest. Have you read this:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63342787-le-soleil-d-allah-brille-sur-l-occident

    If not, you perhaps should have a look at it, if only to balance your bias.

    Also, Sufi thought is worthy of interest for those who are spiritually inclined, but of course, most Muslims nowadays would have considered Ibn Arabi as a heretic, and treated him as the Islamic authorities treated Al Hallaj. Bottom line, Islamic culture has produced (notice the past tense) a great civilization, which at its highest spanned the immense area between Spain and India / China.

    Most modern anti-Islamic writers make the same dishonest argument: if Arabs are mostly dumb today (which they are) and if most Muslims are archaic barbarians nowadays (which they are), then Islam must have always been a heap of thrash. But it is incorrect, the Islamic civilization has been in a state of decay and degeneration for the last 800 years or so. Its Golden Age is long gone, but it doesn't mean that it was non-existent.

    A modern day comparison with something we both know and appreciate: Classical Russian culture (music and literature of the Russian Silver Age). If one looks today at Psoy Korolenko, Morgenshtern and/or Putin, one would conclude that Russians must have always been a bunch of idiotic degenerates. But this conclusion would be incorrect, because 1) Psoy Korolenko and Morgenshtern are hardly Russian 2) Psoy Korolenko, although being a very eccentric person, is hardly an idiot 3) Although Putin is an idiot, a degenerate a Russian (of Tver' Korela Old Believer descent), it doesn't mean Tolstoy, Dostoievsky, Turguenieff didn't write their books and Rachmaninoff didn't play their concerts. Basically, one shouldn't project present situations on long gone past or try to extend them into the future. Especially in our uncertain times.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1102. @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool


    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?
     
    They're more noble objects of sacrifice than for Islam or a non-existent pan-Arab identity in any age.

    Considering your own interest in Родноверия and haplogroups, shouldn't you be more sympathetic to stuff like Pharaohnism and Phoenicianism than a movement invented largely by MENA Christians, in an (ultimately futile) attempt to avoid persecution by re-identifying as 'Arabs'?

    Anyway, what is it with otherwise overwhelmingly anti-religious Sovok Slavs and their Islamophilia? I saw the same thing with Gerard, the Dragon-man's endless spat with AP, and Beckow.
    I suppose it was just strategic alignments of the USSR filtering into the education system, portraying thugs like Carlos the Jackal or the PFLP as heroes.

    True art is vanishingly rare and eternal.
    Sordid nationalistic squabbles, resentments and chimpouts can be found everywhere from professional breitbart grifters to Andaman islanders... or every human society that ever existed.

    Both Arabs and the Judeo-Muslim faith (where is A123 actually? I almost miss him) continue to be exported around the world, they're not going anywhere.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I have no Islamophilic inclinations, but I do appreciate the achievements of the Islamic culture at its highest. Have you read this:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63342787-le-soleil-d-allah-brille-sur-l-occident

    If not, you perhaps should have a look at it, if only to balance your bias.

    Also, Sufi thought is worthy of interest for those who are spiritually inclined, but of course, most Muslims nowadays would have considered Ibn Arabi as a heretic, and treated him as the Islamic authorities treated Al Hallaj. Bottom line, Islamic culture has produced (notice the past tense) a great civilization, which at its highest spanned the immense area between Spain and India / China.

    Most modern anti-Islamic writers make the same dishonest argument: if Arabs are mostly dumb today (which they are) and if most Muslims are archaic barbarians nowadays (which they are), then Islam must have always been a heap of thrash. But it is incorrect, the Islamic civilization has been in a state of decay and degeneration for the last 800 years or so. Its Golden Age is long gone, but it doesn’t mean that it was non-existent.

    A modern day comparison with something we both know and appreciate: Classical Russian culture (music and literature of the Russian Silver Age). If one looks today at Psoy Korolenko, Morgenshtern and/or Putin, one would conclude that Russians must have always been a bunch of idiotic degenerates. But this conclusion would be incorrect, because 1) Psoy Korolenko and Morgenshtern are hardly Russian 2) Psoy Korolenko, although being a very eccentric person, is hardly an idiot 3) Although Putin is an idiot, a degenerate a Russian (of Tver’ Korela Old Believer descent), it doesn’t mean Tolstoy, Dostoievsky, Turguenieff didn’t write their books and Rachmaninoff didn’t play their concerts. Basically, one shouldn’t project present situations on long gone past or try to extend them into the future. Especially in our uncertain times.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Btw before we feel self-conscious as a weird person about our strange discussions about religion, what some professors say about that topic nowadays

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1103. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Dima, being a Noviop doesn't necessarily make you a bad person. Only the Noviop who hate or despise their average Russian neighbors and colleagues are scum.

    Other Noviops are okay. I have excellent Noviop Muscovite friends who love and understand Russian art, culture, history and politics and who feel that they are part and parcel of the Russian people. It is always a pleasure to see them and spend time with them when I am back to the old country.

    About the Uralmash gang, I would have gotten very well with these guys when young, not so much today. I started фарцевать when I was 16 years old and only stopped moving in these circles when I emigrated. So I have known these types.

    Speaking of the Noviop, Псой Короленко is really cool:

    https://youtu.be/NS0rwed0gjE

    He's a real Noviop genius (I am not kidding, the guy's IQ must be 150+).

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Have you seen “Once Upon a Time in America”?

    I remember talking to German Reader, he couldn’t accept the film “Once Upon a Time in America”, because the story is too unviable as the historical process. But a lot of the elite formation in some regions is like the end of the film.

    LatW in this thread writes that Italian mafia is sometimes doing a “social services” for the region.

    In the earlier, Roizman was an activist for the “social services” that has developed in that region and was trying to reduce that particular region’s social dysfunction. It was a strange kind of “civil society”.

    There were negative stories with those of bad treatment for the addicts, although it’s not always directly related to the Roizman’s center. Also, there were a lot of the rehabilitated people, who love Roizman today.

    He might be villain or hero, but it is idiotic to say he has some special privileged because he is not racially pure, or has the Yiddish family name, as he has always been negatively privileged by the government and the local elites. The local poltiicians removed Roizman in the end, not the voters. He is an ideological liberal and unpopular with local authorities.

    It’s just a speculation, but perhaps the gentle punishment, is also related to the feeling Moscow can’t pull too much on that local region.

    There was a lot of the clown performance of Kremlin media was attacking the local elites last year. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/04/2022/626bb4be9a7947e517bc07d9 After even enemies of Roizman were sounding more sympathetic to his view https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/08/2022/6305dd999a794776e3fee622

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I am aware of Roizman's back story. I agree that the mob is more or less an inevitable part of the societal construction, especially in the dysfunctional societies such as RusFed. RusFed has partially been organized by the interaction of the former KGB and the organized crime, plus what was called in the later Soviet couple of decades the shadow/grey economy (цеховики, фарцовщики, спекулянты etc.). It only happened because of the mismanagement of the catastrophic collapse of the USSR. Somebody had to replace the complex system with a simple and archaic one, the mob and the siloviki did. The fact that the mob was and still is less ethnic Russian than the average RusFed population, is well known and is now part of the story of the build up of the "Russian" mafia.

    That is not the subject of our discussion, the primary subject is why an opposition ethnic Russian politician, a middle income engineer and a normal citizen who probably committed no crime in his whole life, other than perhaps parking in the wrong place, gets seven years of jail time for more or less saying the same thing as a charismatic ethnic Jewish former mobster turned opposition leader in Ural's capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept equality in any form. For these Noviop, an ethnic Russian Vanya cannot be an equal under any circumstances. That is the problem that I am pointing at. The RusFed regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian masses and denies them economic, social and political equality. This regime always favors those who are socially and ethnically closer to its core constituency, that is a mix of (former) organized crime, siloviki, the Noviop and the ethnic minority diaspora groups of influence.

    That is what I am pointing at. And if you'd prefer to call it racism so be it. Although, from the racial pov, me, you, the poor Russian engineer who will now do time for his harmless pacifism, and the chad Roizman who will enjoy his life to the fullest as he had always did, all of us belong to the same racial category. It's not like one of us is a bantoïd.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

  1104. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yevardian

    I have no Islamophilic inclinations, but I do appreciate the achievements of the Islamic culture at its highest. Have you read this:

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/63342787-le-soleil-d-allah-brille-sur-l-occident

    If not, you perhaps should have a look at it, if only to balance your bias.

    Also, Sufi thought is worthy of interest for those who are spiritually inclined, but of course, most Muslims nowadays would have considered Ibn Arabi as a heretic, and treated him as the Islamic authorities treated Al Hallaj. Bottom line, Islamic culture has produced (notice the past tense) a great civilization, which at its highest spanned the immense area between Spain and India / China.

    Most modern anti-Islamic writers make the same dishonest argument: if Arabs are mostly dumb today (which they are) and if most Muslims are archaic barbarians nowadays (which they are), then Islam must have always been a heap of thrash. But it is incorrect, the Islamic civilization has been in a state of decay and degeneration for the last 800 years or so. Its Golden Age is long gone, but it doesn't mean that it was non-existent.

    A modern day comparison with something we both know and appreciate: Classical Russian culture (music and literature of the Russian Silver Age). If one looks today at Psoy Korolenko, Morgenshtern and/or Putin, one would conclude that Russians must have always been a bunch of idiotic degenerates. But this conclusion would be incorrect, because 1) Psoy Korolenko and Morgenshtern are hardly Russian 2) Psoy Korolenko, although being a very eccentric person, is hardly an idiot 3) Although Putin is an idiot, a degenerate a Russian (of Tver' Korela Old Believer descent), it doesn't mean Tolstoy, Dostoievsky, Turguenieff didn't write their books and Rachmaninoff didn't play their concerts. Basically, one shouldn't project present situations on long gone past or try to extend them into the future. Especially in our uncertain times.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I don't really care whether the Aliens would land tomorrow on the Red Square or wouldn't ever make themselves visible to the masse. If it happens today, I wouldn't be surprised, if it never happens, then it is also okay with me. What I more currently interested in is the following:

    https://youtu.be/eb00xzikEIg

    Perhaps it is a little too serious to discuss here. Morgenshtern and Roizman make for more entertaining topics.

  1105. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack

    I've noticed that some Ukrainians have really dark eyebrows (that can look quite attractive sometimes and even somewhat striking).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    My father had bushy dark eyebrows, reminiscent of Brezhnev, an ethnic Russian that was born in Ukraine.

  1106. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Where have I ever written that I am of "dark and swarthy complexion" ? I don't recall this. It is true that when I was younger, sometimes people thought that I had some Jewish or Gipsy ancestry.Once a Rabbi, sitting by my side on a plane even inquired where my "ancestors" came from and we had an interesting discussion about the Chassidim communities history in Eastern Europe, we had time to kill during our flight. A very nice man who offered me to drive me around in New York. I told him that I trace my ancestry to Russia, but didn't tell him I was a Goy, perhaps that is why he was so kind and talkative.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Where have I ever written that I am of “dark and swarthy complexion” ? I don’t recall this.

    I could swear that I read something to this effect within the last couple of months, however, after trying twice I could not locate any such quote. Maybe I’m just not seeing it, or maybe it doesn’t exist. It’s clear as can be though in my mind. In my mind this comment of yours also included a visual representation, not dissimilar to the one that you’ve recently posted. Your admission that while in your youth some thought that you had some stereotypical Jewish or Gypsy features kind of verifies my assertion. Perhaps I’m going nuts, or perhaps I’m developing some sort of predictive powers of commenting here? Most likely, I need to take some time off from this blogging spiel…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    No you aren't losing your wits Mr Hack, I have jokingly replied with a Bodhidharma Chinese drawing to our Oriental friend Bromance, who wrote that he thought I wouldn't be offended by the fact that the Chinese call Russians "the Hairy ones". Of course I am not offended, I don't care that the Chinese or whatever other Orientals call the Slavs any way they like. We also call them узкоглазые, плосколицые, it just fits with the phenotypic differences that the Slavs are more hairy than the Orientals who have more broad faces and more slanted eyes. Someone would be silly if he was offended by such folk ethnic descriptions.

    I didn't write that I am swarthy though, and I have clear colored eyes. BTW, the Fatyanovo people from which both proto-Balto-Slavic, proto-Vedic Aryan and proto-Avestan Aryan populations descended, were somewhat darker than the modern day Slav tend to be, not to mention Balts, who are on average usually lighter than Eastern Slavs anyway. I think that the Blond / Nordic phenotype is not inherent in the Corded Ware descended populations, but might have been assimilated into the Corded Ware through intermixing with another population, which in my personal and non-scientific understanding, is derived from those Mesolithic hunters gatherers who lived in the Doggerland territory that had been flooded by the Northern Sea. I have written about it a couple of times previously.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1107. @John Johnson
    @Matra

    BTW this Shoigu meme below didn’t age well

    I guess it's actually a bad idea to appoint someone with zero military background to defense minister.

    Huh.

    But I'm sure that letting your Jewish chef build his own private army is a winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    As you know by now the Wagner group is the child of the GRU and KGB. Prigozhin is just the spokesman. BTW in the thread above we see Laxa make another sock puppet account.

  1108. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Have you seen "Once Upon a Time in America"?

    I remember talking to German Reader, he couldn't accept the film "Once Upon a Time in America", because the story is too unviable as the historical process. But a lot of the elite formation in some regions is like the end of the film.


    -


    LatW in this thread writes that Italian mafia is sometimes doing a "social services" for the region.

    In the earlier, Roizman was an activist for the "social services" that has developed in that region and was trying to reduce that particular region's social dysfunction. It was a strange kind of "civil society".

    There were negative stories with those of bad treatment for the addicts, although it's not always directly related to the Roizman's center. Also, there were a lot of the rehabilitated people, who love Roizman today.

    He might be villain or hero, but it is idiotic to say he has some special privileged because he is not racially pure, or has the Yiddish family name, as he has always been negatively privileged by the government and the local elites. The local poltiicians removed Roizman in the end, not the voters. He is an ideological liberal and unpopular with local authorities.

    It's just a speculation, but perhaps the gentle punishment, is also related to the feeling Moscow can't pull too much on that local region.

    There was a lot of the clown performance of Kremlin media was attacking the local elites last year. https://www.rbc.ru/politics/29/04/2022/626bb4be9a7947e517bc07d9 After even enemies of Roizman were sounding more sympathetic to his view https://www.rbc.ru/politics/24/08/2022/6305dd999a794776e3fee622

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I am aware of Roizman’s back story. I agree that the mob is more or less an inevitable part of the societal construction, especially in the dysfunctional societies such as RusFed. RusFed has partially been organized by the interaction of the former KGB and the organized crime, plus what was called in the later Soviet couple of decades the shadow/grey economy (цеховики, фарцовщики, спекулянты etc.). It only happened because of the mismanagement of the catastrophic collapse of the USSR. Somebody had to replace the complex system with a simple and archaic one, the mob and the siloviki did. The fact that the mob was and still is less ethnic Russian than the average RusFed population, is well known and is now part of the story of the build up of the “Russian” mafia.

    That is not the subject of our discussion, the primary subject is why an opposition ethnic Russian politician, a middle income engineer and a normal citizen who probably committed no crime in his whole life, other than perhaps parking in the wrong place, gets seven years of jail time for more or less saying the same thing as a charismatic ethnic Jewish former mobster turned opposition leader in Ural’s capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept equality in any form. For these Noviop, an ethnic Russian Vanya cannot be an equal under any circumstances. That is the problem that I am pointing at. The RusFed regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian masses and denies them economic, social and political equality. This regime always favors those who are socially and ethnically closer to its core constituency, that is a mix of (former) organized crime, siloviki, the Noviop and the ethnic minority diaspora groups of influence.

    That is what I am pointing at. And if you’d prefer to call it racism so be it. Although, from the racial pov, me, you, the poor Russian engineer who will now do time for his harmless pacifism, and the chad Roizman who will enjoy his life to the fullest as he had always did, all of us belong to the same racial category. It’s not like one of us is a bantoïd.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

    +++

    Is the RusFed/Noviop issue partially analogous to the situation in the USA where a Senator from South Dakota hypothetically has the same power as a Senator from New York? In other words, is there some similar federal structure which allows power lusters on the geographic fringes to have a direct path to power at the center? Presumably they abuse this power to the detriment of the people at the center who made the system possible in the first place.

    I think this doesn't happen too much in the US because the hidden layers in the system usually keep the upstart country bumpkins in check, or something like that.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    call it racism so be it

     

    I'm sure Colombian emigrants, also have Colombian emigrants boasting about their racial purity to pretend to be the special snowflake. "I'm from Bogota, with pure Spanish blood, not impure arrivistes from Medellin", or what is their version of Uralmash. "All the problems in Colombia are because of the impure blood".

    The thing is, we are talking about Colombians. It's not English or Swedes.

    I guess there's not the only one here, at least someone is from Moscow, with the developed bohemian circles, when the Sher Singh/AP can be a special snowflake, because "my great-grandfather was a Brahmin in India or Ukraine".


    regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian

     

    Which is also a large part racially impure, in different proportions than the elite, especially not in villages than urban population of cities, but not necessarily different rates.

    And this discussion confuse all the QCIC and Mr Hack.

    A few years ago, I looked at school photos. Everyone looks like from Sweden. But I remember, which classmates with Islamic origins family names. Classmates with gypsy grandparents.

    -

    Btw, this is also one of the areas where Russia is successful. It's not a dystopia of nationalities, but everyone generally is having good relations.

    You can see there is neuroticism of people from Soviet Moscow, but the other areas often doesn't cares about the peoples' nationalities.

    Putin was also generally successful in terms of the local nationalities, although not when millions of exogenous nationalities from the postsoviet countries for the cheap labor.


    It’s not like one of us is a bantoïd.
     
    So the level of snobbery that thinks you and Roizman are above e.g. Pushkin because of something related to racial purity. I would prefer to exclude from this discussion.

    Ural’s capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept
     

    Because not everything in life, is matching the latest internet blogger's conspiracy theory you read, just like you should be a bit more sceptical about every photoshop image you seem to believe, although I know there is some counter-signaling your elite hacking skills there.

    If Roizman has a small punishment because the hypothesis racial impurity of Roizman is matching racial impurity of the government, then how would this "hypothesis" explain the courts giving 16 years for Kara-Murza, who is not exactly the most racially pure representative?

    The answer, is because it's probably not calculating the racial purity of their opponents. The government is balancing how to manage their opponents, how much they can push etc. Roizman is still part of the balance in his region, even the local elite are not that happy.


    Morgenshtern are hardly Russian

     

    In terms of nationality, he and Dilara are representative of the region. The question is Bashkortostan is part of the Russian Federation, so its local nationalities will become Russians in the post 1991 concept, and this is the policy the government follows since 1991.

    Alternatively, if the Bashkir nationalist solution, Bashkortostan can be an independent country, but then Moscow will lose one of its important regions.

    There is the choices of a federal vs national system.

  1109. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool


    Where have I ever written that I am of “dark and swarthy complexion” ? I don’t recall this.
     
    I could swear that I read something to this effect within the last couple of months, however, after trying twice I could not locate any such quote. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, or maybe it doesn't exist. It's clear as can be though in my mind. In my mind this comment of yours also included a visual representation, not dissimilar to the one that you've recently posted. Your admission that while in your youth some thought that you had some stereotypical Jewish or Gypsy features kind of verifies my assertion. Perhaps I'm going nuts, or perhaps I'm developing some sort of predictive powers of commenting here? Most likely, I need to take some time off from this blogging spiel...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    No you aren’t losing your wits Mr Hack, I have jokingly replied with a Bodhidharma Chinese drawing to our Oriental friend Bromance, who wrote that he thought I wouldn’t be offended by the fact that the Chinese call Russians “the Hairy ones”. Of course I am not offended, I don’t care that the Chinese or whatever other Orientals call the Slavs any way they like. We also call them узкоглазые, плосколицые, it just fits with the phenotypic differences that the Slavs are more hairy than the Orientals who have more broad faces and more slanted eyes. Someone would be silly if he was offended by such folk ethnic descriptions.

    I didn’t write that I am swarthy though, and I have clear colored eyes. BTW, the Fatyanovo people from which both proto-Balto-Slavic, proto-Vedic Aryan and proto-Avestan Aryan populations descended, were somewhat darker than the modern day Slav tend to be, not to mention Balts, who are on average usually lighter than Eastern Slavs anyway. I think that the Blond / Nordic phenotype is not inherent in the Corded Ware descended populations, but might have been assimilated into the Corded Ware through intermixing with another population, which in my personal and non-scientific understanding, is derived from those Mesolithic hunters gatherers who lived in the Doggerland territory that had been flooded by the Northern Sea. I have written about it a couple of times previously.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Would you be so kind as to direct me to the exact comment? Thanks for vindicating me (at least partially)! :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1110. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    Btw before we feel self-conscious as a weird person about our strange discussions about religion, what some professors say about that topic nowadays

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I don’t really care whether the Aliens would land tomorrow on the Red Square or wouldn’t ever make themselves visible to the masse. If it happens today, I wouldn’t be surprised, if it never happens, then it is also okay with me. What I more currently interested in is the following:

    Perhaps it is a little too serious to discuss here. Morgenshtern and Roizman make for more entertaining topics.

  1111. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I am aware of Roizman's back story. I agree that the mob is more or less an inevitable part of the societal construction, especially in the dysfunctional societies such as RusFed. RusFed has partially been organized by the interaction of the former KGB and the organized crime, plus what was called in the later Soviet couple of decades the shadow/grey economy (цеховики, фарцовщики, спекулянты etc.). It only happened because of the mismanagement of the catastrophic collapse of the USSR. Somebody had to replace the complex system with a simple and archaic one, the mob and the siloviki did. The fact that the mob was and still is less ethnic Russian than the average RusFed population, is well known and is now part of the story of the build up of the "Russian" mafia.

    That is not the subject of our discussion, the primary subject is why an opposition ethnic Russian politician, a middle income engineer and a normal citizen who probably committed no crime in his whole life, other than perhaps parking in the wrong place, gets seven years of jail time for more or less saying the same thing as a charismatic ethnic Jewish former mobster turned opposition leader in Ural's capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept equality in any form. For these Noviop, an ethnic Russian Vanya cannot be an equal under any circumstances. That is the problem that I am pointing at. The RusFed regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian masses and denies them economic, social and political equality. This regime always favors those who are socially and ethnically closer to its core constituency, that is a mix of (former) organized crime, siloviki, the Noviop and the ethnic minority diaspora groups of influence.

    That is what I am pointing at. And if you'd prefer to call it racism so be it. Although, from the racial pov, me, you, the poor Russian engineer who will now do time for his harmless pacifism, and the chad Roizman who will enjoy his life to the fullest as he had always did, all of us belong to the same racial category. It's not like one of us is a bantoïd.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

    +++

    Is the RusFed/Noviop issue partially analogous to the situation in the USA where a Senator from South Dakota hypothetically has the same power as a Senator from New York? In other words, is there some similar federal structure which allows power lusters on the geographic fringes to have a direct path to power at the center? Presumably they abuse this power to the detriment of the people at the center who made the system possible in the first place.

    I think this doesn’t happen too much in the US because the hidden layers in the system usually keep the upstart country bumpkins in check, or something like that.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    AFAIK, by the end of the 80ies, KGB had different ethnic groups in it, more or less aligned with the ethnic makeup of the USSR at the time. But an interesting detail that most people are unaware of, all republics had their own republican KGB under the control of the central office of KGB in Moscow, but the RSFSR had no republican KGB it had only the central office.

    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.

    Now, about the Noviop, the term stands for Novaya Istoricheskaya Obshhnost' it means the New / Novel Historical Community. That was the type of people that the Soviet System aimed at creating. A thoroughly mixed population. Noviop doesn't mean Jewish, but most Noviop would have some Jewish ancestors. The Noviop came from the Communist melting pot. Just like the Neocon often came from the American melting pot and are mostly also of Jewish descent. Compared to
    the rest of the RusFed population, the Noviop often had parents belonging to Nomenklatura and/or higher Soviet intelligentsia, Bolshevik and/or Trotskyite ancestors (another thing they have in common with the Neocon).

    Therefore, the Noviop are not bumpkins, quite the opposite. Many among them are quite intelligent and well educated. The problem is not that they are stupid or ignorant for they are not, but that they are rootless. And just like their Neocon counterparts, they often despise the local population and have no qualms about lying and manipulating the popular masses. They also often have a feeling of rejection towards the Russian history, art and culture.

    Of course, this doesn't apply to all people of mixed ancestry in RusFed, quite the opposite. Most people that have a mixed ancestry are entirely normal and average people.

    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry. It is unknown how much ethnic Russian ancestry he truly had.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    Because America still has a transparent and rules-based kind of power sharing, you could see certain demographics being represented by their politicians.

    In Russia, it's opaque, with a clans system, and layers of security people and also some ex-mafia. The nationality of the elite are even more multinational than the population, which is also very multinational.*

    Because power in Russia is opaque, there can be a lot of Rorschach test, where people present the theories which are boosting their ego.

    If we talk about Roizman, Bashibuzuk produces a lot of Rorschach test about racial purity and Moscow blogger conspiracy theories related to the racially impure people in Russia disliking the racially pure victims.

    But Roizman is just a local celebrity, who opposes Moscow. The security people who are managing the opposition, have mostly background in the KGB.

    Roizman has no power, just some celebrity status and he's doing good thing trying to continue free speech and criticism of the invasion of Ukraine.


    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

     

    They would use people from different nationalities, to manage those nationalities.

    There is a good example discussed higher in this thread, in 1980s, they use a Jewish worker Vladimir Eidelshtein, to manage the Jewish organizations. Although after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, he is used for other jobs.

    -


    *
    How this multinational elite is behaving, is possibly similar to mafia groups, like the elite in many countries. The problem is probably more mafia, than multinationality. A large part of undeveloped countries are ruled by a kind of mafia and the problems are quite common for these countries, not depending on the racial purity of their mafia. Lebanon has impure racially mafia, Brazil has pure mafia, etc.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1112. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    No you aren't losing your wits Mr Hack, I have jokingly replied with a Bodhidharma Chinese drawing to our Oriental friend Bromance, who wrote that he thought I wouldn't be offended by the fact that the Chinese call Russians "the Hairy ones". Of course I am not offended, I don't care that the Chinese or whatever other Orientals call the Slavs any way they like. We also call them узкоглазые, плосколицые, it just fits with the phenotypic differences that the Slavs are more hairy than the Orientals who have more broad faces and more slanted eyes. Someone would be silly if he was offended by such folk ethnic descriptions.

    I didn't write that I am swarthy though, and I have clear colored eyes. BTW, the Fatyanovo people from which both proto-Balto-Slavic, proto-Vedic Aryan and proto-Avestan Aryan populations descended, were somewhat darker than the modern day Slav tend to be, not to mention Balts, who are on average usually lighter than Eastern Slavs anyway. I think that the Blond / Nordic phenotype is not inherent in the Corded Ware descended populations, but might have been assimilated into the Corded Ware through intermixing with another population, which in my personal and non-scientific understanding, is derived from those Mesolithic hunters gatherers who lived in the Doggerland territory that had been flooded by the Northern Sea. I have written about it a couple of times previously.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Would you be so kind as to direct me to the exact comment? Thanks for vindicating me (at least partially)! 🙂

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-210/#comment-5834184

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1113. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Would you be so kind as to direct me to the exact comment? Thanks for vindicating me (at least partially)! :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't know, but the one legendary batbarian fellow, looks kind of "swarthy and Jewish" to me. Mind you, there's nothing wrong with that kind of look:

    https://static.sadhguru.org/d/46272/1637048823-1637048822006.jpg

    If olive colored skin is considered to be a subset of the swarthy look, than I too can plead mea culpa. :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1114. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

    +++

    Is the RusFed/Noviop issue partially analogous to the situation in the USA where a Senator from South Dakota hypothetically has the same power as a Senator from New York? In other words, is there some similar federal structure which allows power lusters on the geographic fringes to have a direct path to power at the center? Presumably they abuse this power to the detriment of the people at the center who made the system possible in the first place.

    I think this doesn't happen too much in the US because the hidden layers in the system usually keep the upstart country bumpkins in check, or something like that.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    AFAIK, by the end of the 80ies, KGB had different ethnic groups in it, more or less aligned with the ethnic makeup of the USSR at the time. But an interesting detail that most people are unaware of, all republics had their own republican KGB under the control of the central office of KGB in Moscow, but the RSFSR had no republican KGB it had only the central office.

    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.

    Now, about the Noviop, the term stands for Novaya Istoricheskaya Obshhnost’ it means the New / Novel Historical Community. That was the type of people that the Soviet System aimed at creating. A thoroughly mixed population. Noviop doesn’t mean Jewish, but most Noviop would have some Jewish ancestors. The Noviop came from the Communist melting pot. Just like the Neocon often came from the American melting pot and are mostly also of Jewish descent. Compared to
    the rest of the RusFed population, the Noviop often had parents belonging to Nomenklatura and/or higher Soviet intelligentsia, Bolshevik and/or Trotskyite ancestors (another thing they have in common with the Neocon).

    Therefore, the Noviop are not bumpkins, quite the opposite. Many among them are quite intelligent and well educated. The problem is not that they are stupid or ignorant for they are not, but that they are rootless. And just like their Neocon counterparts, they often despise the local population and have no qualms about lying and manipulating the popular masses. They also often have a feeling of rejection towards the Russian history, art and culture.

    Of course, this doesn’t apply to all people of mixed ancestry in RusFed, quite the opposite. Most people that have a mixed ancestry are entirely normal and average people.

    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry. It is unknown how much ethnic Russian ancestry he truly had.

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry.
     
    Something like this is an ancient Russian tradition that precedes the Soviets not by decades but by centuries. Noviops are as Russian as peasants, as Russian as priests.

    Regular Russians almost never ruled over Russia, at least not from the time when the name "Russia" existed. Before the Soviet-era Noviops there was the often French-speaking aristocracy, led by a German royal family, and full of Baltic Germans, other random Westerners (in the case of Pushkin's family, an Ethiopian), and heirs of earlier waves of non-Russians. These pre-Petrine elites consisted of a heavy mix of Rurikids (Norse), Tatars, Lithuanians, and non-local Slavs from Ukraine or further West. The very adoption of the name "Rus" meant the arrival of non-native ruling elite - the Rus, a mixture of Scandinavians and western Wends. Those were the original Noviops. The very name Rus comes from ancient Noviops. Russia is named after them.

    So Noviops are an ancient Russian cultural tradition.

    So to repeat, Noviops have always been central to Russian culture, Russia always had a Noviop elite. The composition changes, the phenomenon is table. First it was Rus (Norse and Wends). Then to this was added Tatars and Mongols, and Lithuanians. Later, Baltic Germans and regular Germans, and more random Westerners came into the mix. The Bolsheviks cleared a lot of the previous ones out, but just replaced the mix - Jews, Georgians, Latvians stepped in to rule over the Russians. The collapse (or rebranding, in a more ruthless form) of the Soviet system has brought in Armenians, Chechens, an Uzbek, etc. into the Soviet-era mix.

    You'd have to go to Slavic tribal times to imagine a Russia without Noviops. And even then, who knows? We don't have surviving written records. Perhaps the ancient Antes had an Alanic (Iranic-Sarmatian) ruling class. Maybe the Slavs took to the Rus ruling over them naturally, because of the ancient tradition.

    Sure, other nations have had some internationalism among the elites. Maybe the most noteworthy example was the English after the Norman conquest, but even that was a rather singular event, they later got a German royal family but not waves of Germans comparable to the Baltic barons in Russia. Britain's elites were overwhelmingly Englishmen and Scots. Germany's elites have been almost all Germans, PLC had some elected Swedish and German kings but the Szlachta was overwhelmingly Polish, Lithuanian or Ruthenian. French elites were Frenchmen, with the exception of that singular Corsican. Italy - Italian. But Russia has always had some sort Noviop elites.


    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.
     
    One of my friends from Moscow was an FSB officer in the 1990s (he then went into the private sector). He told me about a wave of western Ukrainians entering the KGB in the 1950s and 1960s. He was the only Russian I ever met who expressed a sort of respect for Bandera, more than I ever had!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

  1115. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    I am aware of Roizman's back story. I agree that the mob is more or less an inevitable part of the societal construction, especially in the dysfunctional societies such as RusFed. RusFed has partially been organized by the interaction of the former KGB and the organized crime, plus what was called in the later Soviet couple of decades the shadow/grey economy (цеховики, фарцовщики, спекулянты etc.). It only happened because of the mismanagement of the catastrophic collapse of the USSR. Somebody had to replace the complex system with a simple and archaic one, the mob and the siloviki did. The fact that the mob was and still is less ethnic Russian than the average RusFed population, is well known and is now part of the story of the build up of the "Russian" mafia.

    That is not the subject of our discussion, the primary subject is why an opposition ethnic Russian politician, a middle income engineer and a normal citizen who probably committed no crime in his whole life, other than perhaps parking in the wrong place, gets seven years of jail time for more or less saying the same thing as a charismatic ethnic Jewish former mobster turned opposition leader in Ural's capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept equality in any form. For these Noviop, an ethnic Russian Vanya cannot be an equal under any circumstances. That is the problem that I am pointing at. The RusFed regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian masses and denies them economic, social and political equality. This regime always favors those who are socially and ethnically closer to its core constituency, that is a mix of (former) organized crime, siloviki, the Noviop and the ethnic minority diaspora groups of influence.

    That is what I am pointing at. And if you'd prefer to call it racism so be it. Although, from the racial pov, me, you, the poor Russian engineer who will now do time for his harmless pacifism, and the chad Roizman who will enjoy his life to the fullest as he had always did, all of us belong to the same racial category. It's not like one of us is a bantoïd.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    call it racism so be it

    I’m sure Colombian emigrants, also have Colombian emigrants boasting about their racial purity to pretend to be the special snowflake. “I’m from Bogota, with pure Spanish blood, not impure arrivistes from Medellin”, or what is their version of Uralmash. “All the problems in Colombia are because of the impure blood”.

    The thing is, we are talking about Colombians. It’s not English or Swedes.

    I guess there’s not the only one here, at least someone is from Moscow, with the developed bohemian circles, when the Sher Singh/AP can be a special snowflake, because “my great-grandfather was a Brahmin in India or Ukraine”.

    regime is in fact an extractive regime that is lording upon the (mostly) ethnic Russian

    Which is also a large part racially impure, in different proportions than the elite, especially not in villages than urban population of cities, but not necessarily different rates.

    And this discussion confuse all the QCIC and Mr Hack.

    A few years ago, I looked at school photos. Everyone looks like from Sweden. But I remember, which classmates with Islamic origins family names. Classmates with gypsy grandparents.

    Btw, this is also one of the areas where Russia is successful. It’s not a dystopia of nationalities, but everyone generally is having good relations.

    You can see there is neuroticism of people from Soviet Moscow, but the other areas often doesn’t cares about the peoples’ nationalities.

    Putin was also generally successful in terms of the local nationalities, although not when millions of exogenous nationalities from the postsoviet countries for the cheap labor.

    It’s not like one of us is a bantoïd.

    So the level of snobbery that thinks you and Roizman are above e.g. Pushkin because of something related to racial purity. I would prefer to exclude from this discussion.

    Ural’s capital city?

    Why is it even possible?

    People should be equal before the law. But some Noviop do not accept

    Because not everything in life, is matching the latest internet blogger’s conspiracy theory you read, just like you should be a bit more sceptical about every photoshop image you seem to believe, although I know there is some counter-signaling your elite hacking skills there.

    If Roizman has a small punishment because the hypothesis racial impurity of Roizman is matching racial impurity of the government, then how would this “hypothesis” explain the courts giving 16 years for Kara-Murza, who is not exactly the most racially pure representative?

    The answer, is because it’s probably not calculating the racial purity of their opponents. The government is balancing how to manage their opponents, how much they can push etc. Roizman is still part of the balance in his region, even the local elite are not that happy.

    Morgenshtern are hardly Russian

    In terms of nationality, he and Dilara are representative of the region. The question is Bashkortostan is part of the Russian Federation, so its local nationalities will become Russians in the post 1991 concept, and this is the policy the government follows since 1991.

    Alternatively, if the Bashkir nationalist solution, Bashkortostan can be an independent country, but then Moscow will lose one of its important regions.

    There is the choices of a federal vs national system.

  1116. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

    +++

    Is the RusFed/Noviop issue partially analogous to the situation in the USA where a Senator from South Dakota hypothetically has the same power as a Senator from New York? In other words, is there some similar federal structure which allows power lusters on the geographic fringes to have a direct path to power at the center? Presumably they abuse this power to the detriment of the people at the center who made the system possible in the first place.

    I think this doesn't happen too much in the US because the hidden layers in the system usually keep the upstart country bumpkins in check, or something like that.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Because America still has a transparent and rules-based kind of power sharing, you could see certain demographics being represented by their politicians.

    In Russia, it’s opaque, with a clans system, and layers of security people and also some ex-mafia. The nationality of the elite are even more multinational than the population, which is also very multinational.*

    Because power in Russia is opaque, there can be a lot of Rorschach test, where people present the theories which are boosting their ego.

    If we talk about Roizman, Bashibuzuk produces a lot of Rorschach test about racial purity and Moscow blogger conspiracy theories related to the racially impure people in Russia disliking the racially pure victims.

    But Roizman is just a local celebrity, who opposes Moscow. The security people who are managing the opposition, have mostly background in the KGB.

    Roizman has no power, just some celebrity status and he’s doing good thing trying to continue free speech and criticism of the invasion of Ukraine.

    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

    They would use people from different nationalities, to manage those nationalities.

    There is a good example discussed higher in this thread, in 1980s, they use a Jewish worker Vladimir Eidelshtein, to manage the Jewish organizations. Although after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, he is used for other jobs.

    *
    How this multinational elite is behaving, is possibly similar to mafia groups, like the elite in many countries. The problem is probably more mafia, than multinationality. A large part of undeveloped countries are ruled by a kind of mafia and the problems are quite common for these countries, not depending on the racial purity of their mafia. Lebanon has impure racially mafia, Brazil has pure mafia, etc.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Yours is a typical Noviop reaction. So what is it being Russian for you my Noviop friend? Do Russians and other Slav anything at all that is special about them? Something that makes them different?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1117. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    AFAIK, by the end of the 80ies, KGB had different ethnic groups in it, more or less aligned with the ethnic makeup of the USSR at the time. But an interesting detail that most people are unaware of, all republics had their own republican KGB under the control of the central office of KGB in Moscow, but the RSFSR had no republican KGB it had only the central office.

    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.

    Now, about the Noviop, the term stands for Novaya Istoricheskaya Obshhnost' it means the New / Novel Historical Community. That was the type of people that the Soviet System aimed at creating. A thoroughly mixed population. Noviop doesn't mean Jewish, but most Noviop would have some Jewish ancestors. The Noviop came from the Communist melting pot. Just like the Neocon often came from the American melting pot and are mostly also of Jewish descent. Compared to
    the rest of the RusFed population, the Noviop often had parents belonging to Nomenklatura and/or higher Soviet intelligentsia, Bolshevik and/or Trotskyite ancestors (another thing they have in common with the Neocon).

    Therefore, the Noviop are not bumpkins, quite the opposite. Many among them are quite intelligent and well educated. The problem is not that they are stupid or ignorant for they are not, but that they are rootless. And just like their Neocon counterparts, they often despise the local population and have no qualms about lying and manipulating the popular masses. They also often have a feeling of rejection towards the Russian history, art and culture.

    Of course, this doesn't apply to all people of mixed ancestry in RusFed, quite the opposite. Most people that have a mixed ancestry are entirely normal and average people.

    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry. It is unknown how much ethnic Russian ancestry he truly had.

    Replies: @AP

    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry.

    Something like this is an ancient Russian tradition that precedes the Soviets not by decades but by centuries. Noviops are as Russian as peasants, as Russian as priests.

    Regular Russians almost never ruled over Russia, at least not from the time when the name “Russia” existed. Before the Soviet-era Noviops there was the often French-speaking aristocracy, led by a German royal family, and full of Baltic Germans, other random Westerners (in the case of Pushkin’s family, an Ethiopian), and heirs of earlier waves of non-Russians. These pre-Petrine elites consisted of a heavy mix of Rurikids (Norse), Tatars, Lithuanians, and non-local Slavs from Ukraine or further West. The very adoption of the name “Rus” meant the arrival of non-native ruling elite – the Rus, a mixture of Scandinavians and western Wends. Those were the original Noviops. The very name Rus comes from ancient Noviops. Russia is named after them.

    So Noviops are an ancient Russian cultural tradition.

    So to repeat, Noviops have always been central to Russian culture, Russia always had a Noviop elite. The composition changes, the phenomenon is table. First it was Rus (Norse and Wends). Then to this was added Tatars and Mongols, and Lithuanians. Later, Baltic Germans and regular Germans, and more random Westerners came into the mix. The Bolsheviks cleared a lot of the previous ones out, but just replaced the mix – Jews, Georgians, Latvians stepped in to rule over the Russians. The collapse (or rebranding, in a more ruthless form) of the Soviet system has brought in Armenians, Chechens, an Uzbek, etc. into the Soviet-era mix.

    You’d have to go to Slavic tribal times to imagine a Russia without Noviops. And even then, who knows? We don’t have surviving written records. Perhaps the ancient Antes had an Alanic (Iranic-Sarmatian) ruling class. Maybe the Slavs took to the Rus ruling over them naturally, because of the ancient tradition.

    Sure, other nations have had some internationalism among the elites. Maybe the most noteworthy example was the English after the Norman conquest, but even that was a rather singular event, they later got a German royal family but not waves of Germans comparable to the Baltic barons in Russia. Britain’s elites were overwhelmingly Englishmen and Scots. Germany’s elites have been almost all Germans, PLC had some elected Swedish and German kings but the Szlachta was overwhelmingly Polish, Lithuanian or Ruthenian. French elites were Frenchmen, with the exception of that singular Corsican. Italy – Italian. But Russia has always had some sort Noviop elites.

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    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.

    One of my friends from Moscow was an FSB officer in the 1990s (he then went into the private sector). He told me about a wave of western Ukrainians entering the KGB in the 1950s and 1960s. He was the only Russian I ever met who expressed a sort of respect for Bandera, more than I ever had!

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Do you have an idea to explain this pattern?

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Yes, you are entirely correct here AP. And that's exactly the problem of the Russian people. And it goes way back. Probably to the very beginning of the Russia itself.

    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz' who was the representative of the military/executive power. 2) Novgorod also had a very strong power of its religious Orthodox Christian leadership. Its metropolitan bishop easily vetoed the decisions of the veché, the posadnyk ans the knyaz' if he felt it necessary. 3) According to what I understand, that was probably also the case in the other early (although some of them probably existed for centuries) Eastern Slav polities. But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the "Russian" Empire. That is why some of the most extreme Russian nationalists have written books such as Россия против Руси and that is why some among them rejected the Orthodox Christianity outright, because it was one of the main tools of the "taming" and the "domestication" of the Slav. They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian. Although the elite preferred to call these enserfed folks smerdy, that is "the stinky ones" or in Poland bydlo, that is "cattle".

    The elite saw themselves as entirely different, superior and sophisticated. In Russia as you wrote they were nearly 3/4 of foreign origin, in Poland they embraced Sarmaticism. And in Russia this lead in due time to the Revolution and a tentative of "rebranding" of these krestyane as Soviet people.

    Despite this taming and domestication, Russians have explored and conquered an immense territory and were the first to go into space. Poles have created a beautiful native culture and resisted the conquest by both Germans and Russians, Ukrainians have rebelled against any form of unjust domination. Imagine what would have happened if the Slav remained untamed. We would be living now in a different world.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here. 988 is the "canonical" date of the baptism of the Rus under knyaz' Vladimir, the son of the Khazar concubine, the one that the Church made into a Saint.

    https://youtu.be/P8SAtQ4e7Dg

    The same band has another song, which in my humble opinion represents what the Slav passionary feels like when facing the immensity of the World.

    https://youtu.be/MK2qQmjRSf4

    It took a lot of effort to tame and domesticate such people. A thousand years of effort. And now they have turned us against each other so we use what is left of our passionarnost' against our brothers and end up entirely enslaved without any hope of recovering what was once our birthright, that is the feeling of boundless courage and an ability to go to the very limits of Reality.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

  1118. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-210/#comment-5834184

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know, but the one legendary batbarian fellow, looks kind of “swarthy and Jewish” to me. Mind you, there’s nothing wrong with that kind of look:

    If olive colored skin is considered to be a subset of the swarthy look, than I too can plead mea culpa. 🙂

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr Hack, I have a type of humor that is somewhat self-deprecating. Don't take too seriously everything I write.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1119. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry.
     
    Something like this is an ancient Russian tradition that precedes the Soviets not by decades but by centuries. Noviops are as Russian as peasants, as Russian as priests.

    Regular Russians almost never ruled over Russia, at least not from the time when the name "Russia" existed. Before the Soviet-era Noviops there was the often French-speaking aristocracy, led by a German royal family, and full of Baltic Germans, other random Westerners (in the case of Pushkin's family, an Ethiopian), and heirs of earlier waves of non-Russians. These pre-Petrine elites consisted of a heavy mix of Rurikids (Norse), Tatars, Lithuanians, and non-local Slavs from Ukraine or further West. The very adoption of the name "Rus" meant the arrival of non-native ruling elite - the Rus, a mixture of Scandinavians and western Wends. Those were the original Noviops. The very name Rus comes from ancient Noviops. Russia is named after them.

    So Noviops are an ancient Russian cultural tradition.

    So to repeat, Noviops have always been central to Russian culture, Russia always had a Noviop elite. The composition changes, the phenomenon is table. First it was Rus (Norse and Wends). Then to this was added Tatars and Mongols, and Lithuanians. Later, Baltic Germans and regular Germans, and more random Westerners came into the mix. The Bolsheviks cleared a lot of the previous ones out, but just replaced the mix - Jews, Georgians, Latvians stepped in to rule over the Russians. The collapse (or rebranding, in a more ruthless form) of the Soviet system has brought in Armenians, Chechens, an Uzbek, etc. into the Soviet-era mix.

    You'd have to go to Slavic tribal times to imagine a Russia without Noviops. And even then, who knows? We don't have surviving written records. Perhaps the ancient Antes had an Alanic (Iranic-Sarmatian) ruling class. Maybe the Slavs took to the Rus ruling over them naturally, because of the ancient tradition.

    Sure, other nations have had some internationalism among the elites. Maybe the most noteworthy example was the English after the Norman conquest, but even that was a rather singular event, they later got a German royal family but not waves of Germans comparable to the Baltic barons in Russia. Britain's elites were overwhelmingly Englishmen and Scots. Germany's elites have been almost all Germans, PLC had some elected Swedish and German kings but the Szlachta was overwhelmingly Polish, Lithuanian or Ruthenian. French elites were Frenchmen, with the exception of that singular Corsican. Italy - Italian. But Russia has always had some sort Noviop elites.


    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.
     
    One of my friends from Moscow was an FSB officer in the 1990s (he then went into the private sector). He told me about a wave of western Ukrainians entering the KGB in the 1950s and 1960s. He was the only Russian I ever met who expressed a sort of respect for Bandera, more than I ever had!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    Do you have an idea to explain this pattern?

  1120. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Finally, the original appearance of the Noviop dates to the Russian Empire. Lenin was one of those, he had Geeman, Swedish, Jewish and Kalmyk ancestry.
     
    Something like this is an ancient Russian tradition that precedes the Soviets not by decades but by centuries. Noviops are as Russian as peasants, as Russian as priests.

    Regular Russians almost never ruled over Russia, at least not from the time when the name "Russia" existed. Before the Soviet-era Noviops there was the often French-speaking aristocracy, led by a German royal family, and full of Baltic Germans, other random Westerners (in the case of Pushkin's family, an Ethiopian), and heirs of earlier waves of non-Russians. These pre-Petrine elites consisted of a heavy mix of Rurikids (Norse), Tatars, Lithuanians, and non-local Slavs from Ukraine or further West. The very adoption of the name "Rus" meant the arrival of non-native ruling elite - the Rus, a mixture of Scandinavians and western Wends. Those were the original Noviops. The very name Rus comes from ancient Noviops. Russia is named after them.

    So Noviops are an ancient Russian cultural tradition.

    So to repeat, Noviops have always been central to Russian culture, Russia always had a Noviop elite. The composition changes, the phenomenon is table. First it was Rus (Norse and Wends). Then to this was added Tatars and Mongols, and Lithuanians. Later, Baltic Germans and regular Germans, and more random Westerners came into the mix. The Bolsheviks cleared a lot of the previous ones out, but just replaced the mix - Jews, Georgians, Latvians stepped in to rule over the Russians. The collapse (or rebranding, in a more ruthless form) of the Soviet system has brought in Armenians, Chechens, an Uzbek, etc. into the Soviet-era mix.

    You'd have to go to Slavic tribal times to imagine a Russia without Noviops. And even then, who knows? We don't have surviving written records. Perhaps the ancient Antes had an Alanic (Iranic-Sarmatian) ruling class. Maybe the Slavs took to the Rus ruling over them naturally, because of the ancient tradition.

    Sure, other nations have had some internationalism among the elites. Maybe the most noteworthy example was the English after the Norman conquest, but even that was a rather singular event, they later got a German royal family but not waves of Germans comparable to the Baltic barons in Russia. Britain's elites were overwhelmingly Englishmen and Scots. Germany's elites have been almost all Germans, PLC had some elected Swedish and German kings but the Szlachta was overwhelmingly Polish, Lithuanian or Ruthenian. French elites were Frenchmen, with the exception of that singular Corsican. Italy - Italian. But Russia has always had some sort Noviop elites.


    Therefore, when the Russian FSB has been put in place, after the fall of the Soviet Union, its first director was from the Ukrainian KGB. And to this very day, a lot of FSB officers are ethnic Ukrainian.
     
    One of my friends from Moscow was an FSB officer in the 1990s (he then went into the private sector). He told me about a wave of western Ukrainians entering the KGB in the 1950s and 1960s. He was the only Russian I ever met who expressed a sort of respect for Bandera, more than I ever had!

    Replies: @QCIC, @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, you are entirely correct here AP. And that’s exactly the problem of the Russian people. And it goes way back. Probably to the very beginning of the Russia itself.

    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz‘ who was the representative of the military/executive power. 2) Novgorod also had a very strong power of its religious Orthodox Christian leadership. Its metropolitan bishop easily vetoed the decisions of the veché, the posadnyk ans the knyaz’ if he felt it necessary. 3) According to what I understand, that was probably also the case in the other early (although some of them probably existed for centuries) Eastern Slav polities. But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the “Russian” Empire. That is why some of the most extreme Russian nationalists have written books such as Россия против Руси and that is why some among them rejected the Orthodox Christianity outright, because it was one of the main tools of the “taming” and the “domestication” of the Slav. They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian. Although the elite preferred to call these enserfed folks smerdy, that is “the stinky ones” or in Poland bydlo, that is “cattle”.

    The elite saw themselves as entirely different, superior and sophisticated. In Russia as you wrote they were nearly 3/4 of foreign origin, in Poland they embraced Sarmaticism. And in Russia this lead in due time to the Revolution and a tentative of “rebranding” of these krestyane as Soviet people.

    Despite this taming and domestication, Russians have explored and conquered an immense territory and were the first to go into space. Poles have created a beautiful native culture and resisted the conquest by both Germans and Russians, Ukrainians have rebelled against any form of unjust domination. Imagine what would have happened if the Slav remained untamed. We would be living now in a different world.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here. 988 is the “canonical” date of the baptism of the Rus under knyaz’ Vladimir, the son of the Khazar concubine, the one that the Church made into a Saint.

    The same band has another song, which in my humble opinion represents what the Slav passionary feels like when facing the immensity of the World.

    It took a lot of effort to tame and domesticate such people. A thousand years of effort. And now they have turned us against each other so we use what is left of our passionarnost‘ against our brothers and end up entirely enslaved without any hope of recovering what was once our birthright, that is the feeling of boundless courage and an ability to go to the very limits of Reality.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz‘ who was the representative of the military/executive power.
     
    Yes, it's people also ultimately sought union with the PLC, so the Muscovites destroyed them.

    But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.
     
    Christianity did not weaken the position of Slavs in Poland, while that in what is now Russia was already weak, prior to Christianity. Having a foreign "Noviop" elite was a Russia problem, not a Christianity problem. And in East Slavic lands this preceded Christianity - the Rus took over before Christianization, and before the Rus arrived, the Slavs there may have been ruled by Khazars.

    Polish Szlachta may have LARPed as Sarmatians but they were just as Slavic as their peasant subjects. Maybe even more so - some Germans were allowed to settle as farmers and these may have mixed with the peasants. (I once came across a Polish eccentric who turned Sarmatism on its head by claiming that only Szlachta were Slavs and therefore were the only indigenous inhabitants of Poland, while peasants were imported outsiders, comparable to Filipinos and Pakistani workers in Dubai, and therefore like them not deserving of any rights or even citizenship).

    The East Slavs of what would later be Ukraine shared with those of what would later be Russia the problem of having been taken over by the Rus. But for Ukrainians this was a one-time event, like the Norman conquest was for the English. After that, the elites were mostly locals. Many of them may have adopted the language of their Polish brothers but the local gentry and Cossack officer class was mostly arising from a mix of local boyar families and the Rus. While in Russia, the Tatar yoke added another layer and centuries more to the "Noviop" phenomenon, the influx of Baltic Germans yet another, the Bolsheviks another still.

    The contrast is seen in the period of the Russian Civil War. All of the Ukrainian figures were ethnic Ukrainians. Petliura (Cossack gentry/officer class), Makhno, Vynnychenko (peasants), Hrushevsky (gentry). But the Reds were led by Lenin (Swedish, German, Kalmyk, Jewish descent), Trotsky (Jew from Ukraine - note he had to move to Russia to make something of himself, Russia not Ukraine was where a Jew could become a great leader), Stalin (Georgian). Actual Russians played a rather marginal role. The Whites were a little better, but still - Denikin was a Russian, but Wrangel was a German, Kornilov a Kalmyk.

    Ironically the fact that a Jewish guy could in the 21st century become president of Ukraine is probably the product of Russian cultural influence brought about by Soviet rule which despite its opposition to Russian nationalism, managed to import more Russian influence into Ukraine than the more laid back tsars had managed to do. The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.

    They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian
     
    The Wends on the Baltic were explorers and raiders but the East Slavs seem to have been agriculturalists, even prior to their enserfment. IIRC Herodotus mentioned some farmer-Scythians north of the steppe.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the “Russian” Empire.
     
    This was sort of theme in Bykov's book Ж/Д. It was about Varangians and Jews fighting over Russia, with the local Slavs carrying on underneath, barely noticed, but with their own magic. Bykov himself is Jewish but he writes respectfully, I think. He is a friend of a friend, though I was never introduced.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here
     
    Thank you. We have similar musical taste.

    We disagree on Christianity. As I've said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.

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    , @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I checked out the music, by the way. Awesome stuff! Despite not understanding a word, I also feel like the feeling conveys. I'll work it into rotation.

    Thanks for sharing it.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1121. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I don't know, but the one legendary batbarian fellow, looks kind of "swarthy and Jewish" to me. Mind you, there's nothing wrong with that kind of look:

    https://static.sadhguru.org/d/46272/1637048823-1637048822006.jpg

    If olive colored skin is considered to be a subset of the swarthy look, than I too can plead mea culpa. :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Mr Hack, I have a type of humor that is somewhat self-deprecating. Don’t take too seriously everything I write.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's hard to imagine much self deprecating humor on your part after reading your wonderful laudatory message regarding Slav greatness (and self destructive habits in your comment #1123). Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.

    It's refreshing to hear that you approve of Ukrainian state building processes (albeit without Hrushevsky).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

  1122. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    Because America still has a transparent and rules-based kind of power sharing, you could see certain demographics being represented by their politicians.

    In Russia, it's opaque, with a clans system, and layers of security people and also some ex-mafia. The nationality of the elite are even more multinational than the population, which is also very multinational.*

    Because power in Russia is opaque, there can be a lot of Rorschach test, where people present the theories which are boosting their ego.

    If we talk about Roizman, Bashibuzuk produces a lot of Rorschach test about racial purity and Moscow blogger conspiracy theories related to the racially impure people in Russia disliking the racially pure victims.

    But Roizman is just a local celebrity, who opposes Moscow. The security people who are managing the opposition, have mostly background in the KGB.

    Roizman has no power, just some celebrity status and he's doing good thing trying to continue free speech and criticism of the invasion of Ukraine.


    What was the ethnic make up of the KGB prior to ~ 1990?

     

    They would use people from different nationalities, to manage those nationalities.

    There is a good example discussed higher in this thread, in 1980s, they use a Jewish worker Vladimir Eidelshtein, to manage the Jewish organizations. Although after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, he is used for other jobs.

    -


    *
    How this multinational elite is behaving, is possibly similar to mafia groups, like the elite in many countries. The problem is probably more mafia, than multinationality. A large part of undeveloped countries are ruled by a kind of mafia and the problems are quite common for these countries, not depending on the racial purity of their mafia. Lebanon has impure racially mafia, Brazil has pure mafia, etc.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yours is a typical Noviop reaction. So what is it being Russian for you my Noviop friend? Do Russians and other Slav anything at all that is special about them? Something that makes them different?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    You want me to write a patriotic comment and talk about my special Russian soul in the self-fart smelling and also your Soviet tradition, but you do really think you deserve a cookie. It's like talking to someone who cannot focus in the classroom/ I was interested in the topic we were discussing, not self-boasts.

    I would give you the ego-booster in another discussion, but I don't want to write this comment in same thread where you are snobby about Uralmash mestizos and writing things like "everyone is better than Africans". It's probably not good for the other person's internet use, to boost their negative traits indirectly with the cookie giving.

    To return to the internet conspiracy/Galkovsky, which I think is popular with the people not only for ego, but also because they don't have much contact with their rulers.

    For example, why do you think the elites, are moving the money and family out of Russia.

    Is it because of the "lack of patriotism"? This is Putin's speeches, if you exclude the idea of plan of racially impure to oppress racially pure. He says everyone needs to be more patriotic and live in Russia.

    Well, if you know a little of reality, if you exclude the normal fears like the financial crisis, inflation and the geopolitical crisis, it's because they are scared of each other.

    Being scared of each other is not a good conspiracy, as they don't have "class solidarity", but it's typical anyone from groups like this, from mafia and other violent groups like royal families when they still had power.

    You want to have the money and life in Switzerland, where there are centuries of legal protection and centuries of gentle bourgeois life.

    In terms of the ethnic solidarity, as you know they all love each other across the different ethnicities, as in terms of sleeping in the same bed. So, the solidarity is a kind of multiracial utopianism. The idea they hate their nationalities is a strange one. It's one of the most utopian groups from the racial perspective, even if constructed on the dystopian reality in the economic or political perspective.

    -

    Lavrov's family is famous again. We had an interesting about them a couple years ago. They are the owners of KFC and Magnit in Russia. Kind of imitations that pretend they are Israeli hipsters, but of course they are not like the real Israelis, it's a standard fake like people from the Witness Protection Program.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  1123. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?

    Don't you feel the urge to do something about it ?

    I mean even an early 90ies protohypster British experimental musician that I listened to when young, has been touched by the plight and degradation of your people.

    https://www.allmusic.com/artist/muslimgauze-mn0000620392/biography

    But you will just continue reading Nabokov ?

    Wouldn't it be the time to follow in the footsteps of this man, whose grandfather you greatly admire ?

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_el-Hassani_ben_el-Hachemi

    He influenced :

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89toile_nord-africaine

    Which led to the Algerian war of independence.

    https://youtu.be/8XTJomI91yo

    I recently had the pleasure to exchange via Telegram with Russian Identitarians about what I have learned about the topic above. They were strongly interested in the OAS and its influence on the European Far Right. It was immensely gratifying to see that those people, on both sides of the conflict, idealistic both of them, still have some influence on younger minds more than two generations after the end of these events.

    These young Russian men and women are in their early 20ies, they are idealistic, they fight for what I now believe is a lost cause and I respect them greatly for that. I recall my younger years and I understand their thirst of justice and their ability to stand for their beliefs.

    What about you akhi Yahya?

    What do you truly care about?

    Would you die and kill for Nabokov and Classical music?

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?

    Feel free to tell me to f☆ck off and mind my own business. I won't be angry if you do.

    😉

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Yahya

    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?

    I’ve already explained my viewpoints on this issue. The abject state of degradation of the Ummah has multiple causes. It can only be alleviated by elitism, realism and rationalism.

    As Gregory Clark demonstrated in Farewell to Alms, the British had undergone several centuries of positive fertility differential between rich and poor. Wealthier testators begot more children who were more likely to survive through to adulthood than poorer children. The Windsors, Cromwells, Buckinghams, Courtenays, Tudors, and Wilberforces multiplied exponentially and began to constitute a greater share of English society over time. The result was a gradual process of bourgousification of English society, which became more intelligent, industrious, thirty and providential; and ultimately more prosperous, peaceful and productive.

    This is the path everyone must follow to attain functionality.

    That, or sit atop a mass of oil, diamonds or gold.

    If you have any alternatives, I’d be happy to hear it.

    Don’t you feel the urge to do something about it ?

    No.

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?

    Which ideals currently in fashion among the Boobus Arabicus should I be dying for? Democracy? Islamism? Socialism? Pan-Arabism?

    Have you not been paying attention to the events in the Arab world over the past 10 years? Did you not witness the palpable failures of high-minded idealism? Young idealistic males my age, whom you would have me emulate, took to the streets in a fervor of hope and optimism, thinking they can improve their situation by overthrowing the Old Regime, and putting something better in place. They ended up with a regressive, incompetent and downright absurd Islamist regime, followed by an even more repressive, somewhat less absurd, but abjectly incompetent regime of midwit military officers.

    If a Lee Kuan Yew, Cardinal Richelieu, or Mustafa Kemal appeared on the scene, I might feel inclined to jump into the water and provide political support to these rational, competent men. But as it stands, there is nothing and no-one that gives one political motivation or encouragement. The only solution is to retreat to seclusion, develop a sense of equanimity, and accept the reality of human irrationality.

    before solving the problems of Cairo’s traffic.

    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.

    Egypt already had sufficient time for economic development, and was exposed to the best governmental software through colonial occupation by the two leading nations of the 19th century.

    But it was South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt remained among the bottom ranks of global prosperity.

    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

    But according to you, it’s just a coincidence that all these Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best practices.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Makes sense. Thanks for your reply. I would just add something; if one wants to influence Reality, one sometimes has to confront it. Rational people often stay in the comfortable intellectual territory that allows them to avoid this confrontation with Reality. If all rational ways of effecting change are blocked, then one perhaps needs to explore the irrational ones.

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best
     
    Just look at the garbage border between Russia and Norway.

    It's not related to "genetic engineering". Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged. https://youtu.be/IWoOjmvlqNA?t=238.


    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

     

    You think this is not related to the civilizational issues?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jadrXiu6-z0


    South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt
     
    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same "genetic engineering" as South Korea. Not just the same genetics, but North and South Korea also have almost the same culture. But the path of history diverged, so South Koreans are building televisions, North Koreans cannot feed their population.

    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

     

    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt's GDP), better infrastructure than Germany. It's still not a place where the young people want to live, but it's the kind of path Ukraine could follow, although it is going to be difficult for Egypt as they don't have EU to rescue themselves.
  1124. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?
     
    I’ve already explained my viewpoints on this issue. The abject state of degradation of the Ummah has multiple causes. It can only be alleviated by elitism, realism and rationalism.

    As Gregory Clark demonstrated in Farewell to Alms, the British had undergone several centuries of positive fertility differential between rich and poor. Wealthier testators begot more children who were more likely to survive through to adulthood than poorer children. The Windsors, Cromwells, Buckinghams, Courtenays, Tudors, and Wilberforces multiplied exponentially and began to constitute a greater share of English society over time. The result was a gradual process of bourgousification of English society, which became more intelligent, industrious, thirty and providential; and ultimately more prosperous, peaceful and productive.


    https://i.ibb.co/qdmBxp8/9403-B444-0-E6-E-470-E-A648-76-DDF2-A11482.jpg


    This is the path everyone must follow to attain functionality.

    That, or sit atop a mass of oil, diamonds or gold.

    If you have any alternatives, I’d be happy to hear it.


    Don’t you feel the urge to do something about it ?
     
    No.

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?
     
    Which ideals currently in fashion among the Boobus Arabicus should I be dying for? Democracy? Islamism? Socialism? Pan-Arabism?

    Have you not been paying attention to the events in the Arab world over the past 10 years? Did you not witness the palpable failures of high-minded idealism? Young idealistic males my age, whom you would have me emulate, took to the streets in a fervor of hope and optimism, thinking they can improve their situation by overthrowing the Old Regime, and putting something better in place. They ended up with a regressive, incompetent and downright absurd Islamist regime, followed by an even more repressive, somewhat less absurd, but abjectly incompetent regime of midwit military officers.

    If a Lee Kuan Yew, Cardinal Richelieu, or Mustafa Kemal appeared on the scene, I might feel inclined to jump into the water and provide political support to these rational, competent men. But as it stands, there is nothing and no-one that gives one political motivation or encouragement. The only solution is to retreat to seclusion, develop a sense of equanimity, and accept the reality of human irrationality.

    @Dmitry


    before solving the problems of Cairo’s traffic.
     
    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.
     
    Egypt already had sufficient time for economic development, and was exposed to the best governmental software through colonial occupation by the two leading nations of the 19th century.

    But it was South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt remained among the bottom ranks of global prosperity.


    https://i.ibb.co/9VTQcdD/469285-A8-E399-4329-BE67-B78-B04-D357-B7.jpg


    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

    But according to you, it’s just a coincidence that all these Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best practices.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Makes sense. Thanks for your reply. I would just add something; if one wants to influence Reality, one sometimes has to confront it. Rational people often stay in the comfortable intellectual territory that allows them to avoid this confrontation with Reality. If all rational ways of effecting change are blocked, then one perhaps needs to explore the irrational ones.

  1125. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr Hack, I have a type of humor that is somewhat self-deprecating. Don't take too seriously everything I write.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s hard to imagine much self deprecating humor on your part after reading your wonderful laudatory message regarding Slav greatness (and self destructive habits in your comment #1123). Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.

    It’s refreshing to hear that you approve of Ukrainian state building processes (albeit without Hrushevsky).

    • Agree: LatW
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    States and nations are simulacra. What matters are the bloodlines. They are fundamental, everything else is secondary. If bloodlines are diluted or lost an ethnic group dies.

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.
     
    Agreed. It's incredible how humble he is, despite the level of his intelligence (must be his meditations or something).
  1126. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's hard to imagine much self deprecating humor on your part after reading your wonderful laudatory message regarding Slav greatness (and self destructive habits in your comment #1123). Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.

    It's refreshing to hear that you approve of Ukrainian state building processes (albeit without Hrushevsky).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    States and nations are simulacra. What matters are the bloodlines. They are fundamental, everything else is secondary. If bloodlines are diluted or lost an ethnic group dies.

    • Agree: S
  1127. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's hard to imagine much self deprecating humor on your part after reading your wonderful laudatory message regarding Slav greatness (and self destructive habits in your comment #1123). Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.

    It's refreshing to hear that you approve of Ukrainian state building processes (albeit without Hrushevsky).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @LatW

    Part of your charm is actually reflected in your modesty, not self-deprecation. There is a difference.

    Agreed. It’s incredible how humble he is, despite the level of his intelligence (must be his meditations or something).

  1128. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    Yours is a typical Noviop reaction. So what is it being Russian for you my Noviop friend? Do Russians and other Slav anything at all that is special about them? Something that makes them different?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    You want me to write a patriotic comment and talk about my special Russian soul in the self-fart smelling and also your Soviet tradition, but you do really think you deserve a cookie. It’s like talking to someone who cannot focus in the classroom/ I was interested in the topic we were discussing, not self-boasts.

    I would give you the ego-booster in another discussion, but I don’t want to write this comment in same thread where you are snobby about Uralmash mestizos and writing things like “everyone is better than Africans”. It’s probably not good for the other person’s internet use, to boost their negative traits indirectly with the cookie giving.

    To return to the internet conspiracy/Galkovsky, which I think is popular with the people not only for ego, but also because they don’t have much contact with their rulers.

    For example, why do you think the elites, are moving the money and family out of Russia.

    Is it because of the “lack of patriotism”? This is Putin’s speeches, if you exclude the idea of plan of racially impure to oppress racially pure. He says everyone needs to be more patriotic and live in Russia.

    Well, if you know a little of reality, if you exclude the normal fears like the financial crisis, inflation and the geopolitical crisis, it’s because they are scared of each other.

    Being scared of each other is not a good conspiracy, as they don’t have “class solidarity”, but it’s typical anyone from groups like this, from mafia and other violent groups like royal families when they still had power.

    You want to have the money and life in Switzerland, where there are centuries of legal protection and centuries of gentle bourgeois life.

    In terms of the ethnic solidarity, as you know they all love each other across the different ethnicities, as in terms of sleeping in the same bed. So, the solidarity is a kind of multiracial utopianism. The idea they hate their nationalities is a strange one. It’s one of the most utopian groups from the racial perspective, even if constructed on the dystopian reality in the economic or political perspective.

    Lavrov’s family is famous again. We had an interesting about them a couple years ago. They are the owners of KFC and Magnit in Russia. Kind of imitations that pretend they are Israeli hipsters, but of course they are not like the real Israelis, it’s a standard fake like people from the Witness Protection Program.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry


    You want me to write a patriotic comment and talk about my special Russian soul in the self-fart smelling and also your Soviet tradition, but you do really think you deserve a cookie. It’s like talking to someone who cannot focus in the classroom/ I was interested in the topic we were discussing, not self-boasts.
     
    Dima, you get it all wrong. I am sorry, but the way you see me is a bit of a caricature. This discussion ain't going anywhere. BTW, the way you see AP lately is also a little weird. What is going on with you pal ? Is everything alright ?
  1129. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    So tell me Yahya akhi, how do you reconcile your higher class Arabic elitism with the abject state of degradation of the Oumma ?
     
    I’ve already explained my viewpoints on this issue. The abject state of degradation of the Ummah has multiple causes. It can only be alleviated by elitism, realism and rationalism.

    As Gregory Clark demonstrated in Farewell to Alms, the British had undergone several centuries of positive fertility differential between rich and poor. Wealthier testators begot more children who were more likely to survive through to adulthood than poorer children. The Windsors, Cromwells, Buckinghams, Courtenays, Tudors, and Wilberforces multiplied exponentially and began to constitute a greater share of English society over time. The result was a gradual process of bourgousification of English society, which became more intelligent, industrious, thirty and providential; and ultimately more prosperous, peaceful and productive.


    https://i.ibb.co/qdmBxp8/9403-B444-0-E6-E-470-E-A648-76-DDF2-A11482.jpg


    This is the path everyone must follow to attain functionality.

    That, or sit atop a mass of oil, diamonds or gold.

    If you have any alternatives, I’d be happy to hear it.


    Don’t you feel the urge to do something about it ?
     
    No.

    And if you are not ready to die for an ideal in your 20ies, how are you going to feel in your 50ies ?
     
    Which ideals currently in fashion among the Boobus Arabicus should I be dying for? Democracy? Islamism? Socialism? Pan-Arabism?

    Have you not been paying attention to the events in the Arab world over the past 10 years? Did you not witness the palpable failures of high-minded idealism? Young idealistic males my age, whom you would have me emulate, took to the streets in a fervor of hope and optimism, thinking they can improve their situation by overthrowing the Old Regime, and putting something better in place. They ended up with a regressive, incompetent and downright absurd Islamist regime, followed by an even more repressive, somewhat less absurd, but abjectly incompetent regime of midwit military officers.

    If a Lee Kuan Yew, Cardinal Richelieu, or Mustafa Kemal appeared on the scene, I might feel inclined to jump into the water and provide political support to these rational, competent men. But as it stands, there is nothing and no-one that gives one political motivation or encouragement. The only solution is to retreat to seclusion, develop a sense of equanimity, and accept the reality of human irrationality.

    @Dmitry


    before solving the problems of Cairo’s traffic.
     
    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

    Most of the developed countries require many years of incremental development, this is on the software level, including importing the best practice from the developed societies.
     
    Egypt already had sufficient time for economic development, and was exposed to the best governmental software through colonial occupation by the two leading nations of the 19th century.

    But it was South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt remained among the bottom ranks of global prosperity.


    https://i.ibb.co/9VTQcdD/469285-A8-E399-4329-BE67-B78-B04-D357-B7.jpg


    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

    But according to you, it’s just a coincidence that all these Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best practices.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    Eastern European and East Asian nations happened to adopt governmental best

    Just look at the garbage border between Russia and Norway.

    It’s not related to “genetic engineering”. Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged. https://youtu.be/IWoOjmvlqNA?t=238.

    I’m glad you are thinking about the big civilizational issues here.

    You think this is not related to the civilizational issues?

    South Korea, poorer than Egypt in 1950, which ultimately developed into a first world economy within 50-70 years, while Egypt

    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same “genetic engineering” as South Korea. Not just the same genetics, but North and South Korea also have almost the same culture. But the path of history diverged, so South Koreans are building televisions, North Koreans cannot feed their population.

    The one country lacked the human capital, while the other possessed it in abundance.

    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt’s GDP), better infrastructure than Germany. It’s still not a place where the young people want to live, but it’s the kind of path Ukraine could follow, although it is going to be difficult for Egypt as they don’t have EU to rescue themselves.

  1130. @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    You want me to write a patriotic comment and talk about my special Russian soul in the self-fart smelling and also your Soviet tradition, but you do really think you deserve a cookie. It's like talking to someone who cannot focus in the classroom/ I was interested in the topic we were discussing, not self-boasts.

    I would give you the ego-booster in another discussion, but I don't want to write this comment in same thread where you are snobby about Uralmash mestizos and writing things like "everyone is better than Africans". It's probably not good for the other person's internet use, to boost their negative traits indirectly with the cookie giving.

    To return to the internet conspiracy/Galkovsky, which I think is popular with the people not only for ego, but also because they don't have much contact with their rulers.

    For example, why do you think the elites, are moving the money and family out of Russia.

    Is it because of the "lack of patriotism"? This is Putin's speeches, if you exclude the idea of plan of racially impure to oppress racially pure. He says everyone needs to be more patriotic and live in Russia.

    Well, if you know a little of reality, if you exclude the normal fears like the financial crisis, inflation and the geopolitical crisis, it's because they are scared of each other.

    Being scared of each other is not a good conspiracy, as they don't have "class solidarity", but it's typical anyone from groups like this, from mafia and other violent groups like royal families when they still had power.

    You want to have the money and life in Switzerland, where there are centuries of legal protection and centuries of gentle bourgeois life.

    In terms of the ethnic solidarity, as you know they all love each other across the different ethnicities, as in terms of sleeping in the same bed. So, the solidarity is a kind of multiracial utopianism. The idea they hate their nationalities is a strange one. It's one of the most utopian groups from the racial perspective, even if constructed on the dystopian reality in the economic or political perspective.

    -

    Lavrov's family is famous again. We had an interesting about them a couple years ago. They are the owners of KFC and Magnit in Russia. Kind of imitations that pretend they are Israeli hipsters, but of course they are not like the real Israelis, it's a standard fake like people from the Witness Protection Program.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    You want me to write a patriotic comment and talk about my special Russian soul in the self-fart smelling and also your Soviet tradition, but you do really think you deserve a cookie. It’s like talking to someone who cannot focus in the classroom/ I was interested in the topic we were discussing, not self-boasts.

    Dima, you get it all wrong. I am sorry, but the way you see me is a bit of a caricature. This discussion ain’t going anywhere. BTW, the way you see AP lately is also a little weird. What is going on with you pal ? Is everything alright ?

  1131. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Yes, you are entirely correct here AP. And that's exactly the problem of the Russian people. And it goes way back. Probably to the very beginning of the Russia itself.

    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz' who was the representative of the military/executive power. 2) Novgorod also had a very strong power of its religious Orthodox Christian leadership. Its metropolitan bishop easily vetoed the decisions of the veché, the posadnyk ans the knyaz' if he felt it necessary. 3) According to what I understand, that was probably also the case in the other early (although some of them probably existed for centuries) Eastern Slav polities. But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the "Russian" Empire. That is why some of the most extreme Russian nationalists have written books such as Россия против Руси and that is why some among them rejected the Orthodox Christianity outright, because it was one of the main tools of the "taming" and the "domestication" of the Slav. They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian. Although the elite preferred to call these enserfed folks smerdy, that is "the stinky ones" or in Poland bydlo, that is "cattle".

    The elite saw themselves as entirely different, superior and sophisticated. In Russia as you wrote they were nearly 3/4 of foreign origin, in Poland they embraced Sarmaticism. And in Russia this lead in due time to the Revolution and a tentative of "rebranding" of these krestyane as Soviet people.

    Despite this taming and domestication, Russians have explored and conquered an immense territory and were the first to go into space. Poles have created a beautiful native culture and resisted the conquest by both Germans and Russians, Ukrainians have rebelled against any form of unjust domination. Imagine what would have happened if the Slav remained untamed. We would be living now in a different world.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here. 988 is the "canonical" date of the baptism of the Rus under knyaz' Vladimir, the son of the Khazar concubine, the one that the Church made into a Saint.

    https://youtu.be/P8SAtQ4e7Dg

    The same band has another song, which in my humble opinion represents what the Slav passionary feels like when facing the immensity of the World.

    https://youtu.be/MK2qQmjRSf4

    It took a lot of effort to tame and domesticate such people. A thousand years of effort. And now they have turned us against each other so we use what is left of our passionarnost' against our brothers and end up entirely enslaved without any hope of recovering what was once our birthright, that is the feeling of boundless courage and an ability to go to the very limits of Reality.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz‘ who was the representative of the military/executive power.

    Yes, it’s people also ultimately sought union with the PLC, so the Muscovites destroyed them.

    But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.

    Christianity did not weaken the position of Slavs in Poland, while that in what is now Russia was already weak, prior to Christianity. Having a foreign “Noviop” elite was a Russia problem, not a Christianity problem. And in East Slavic lands this preceded Christianity – the Rus took over before Christianization, and before the Rus arrived, the Slavs there may have been ruled by Khazars.

    Polish Szlachta may have LARPed as Sarmatians but they were just as Slavic as their peasant subjects. Maybe even more so – some Germans were allowed to settle as farmers and these may have mixed with the peasants. (I once came across a Polish eccentric who turned Sarmatism on its head by claiming that only Szlachta were Slavs and therefore were the only indigenous inhabitants of Poland, while peasants were imported outsiders, comparable to Filipinos and Pakistani workers in Dubai, and therefore like them not deserving of any rights or even citizenship).

    The East Slavs of what would later be Ukraine shared with those of what would later be Russia the problem of having been taken over by the Rus. But for Ukrainians this was a one-time event, like the Norman conquest was for the English. After that, the elites were mostly locals. Many of them may have adopted the language of their Polish brothers but the local gentry and Cossack officer class was mostly arising from a mix of local boyar families and the Rus. While in Russia, the Tatar yoke added another layer and centuries more to the “Noviop” phenomenon, the influx of Baltic Germans yet another, the Bolsheviks another still.

    The contrast is seen in the period of the Russian Civil War. All of the Ukrainian figures were ethnic Ukrainians. Petliura (Cossack gentry/officer class), Makhno, Vynnychenko (peasants), Hrushevsky (gentry). But the Reds were led by Lenin (Swedish, German, Kalmyk, Jewish descent), Trotsky (Jew from Ukraine – note he had to move to Russia to make something of himself, Russia not Ukraine was where a Jew could become a great leader), Stalin (Georgian). Actual Russians played a rather marginal role. The Whites were a little better, but still – Denikin was a Russian, but Wrangel was a German, Kornilov a Kalmyk.

    Ironically the fact that a Jewish guy could in the 21st century become president of Ukraine is probably the product of Russian cultural influence brought about by Soviet rule which despite its opposition to Russian nationalism, managed to import more Russian influence into Ukraine than the more laid back tsars had managed to do. The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.

    They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian

    The Wends on the Baltic were explorers and raiders but the East Slavs seem to have been agriculturalists, even prior to their enserfment. IIRC Herodotus mentioned some farmer-Scythians north of the steppe.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the “Russian” Empire.

    This was sort of theme in Bykov’s book Ж/Д. It was about Varangians and Jews fighting over Russia, with the local Slavs carrying on underneath, barely noticed, but with their own magic. Bykov himself is Jewish but he writes respectfully, I think. He is a friend of a friend, though I was never introduced.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here

    Thank you. We have similar musical taste.

    We disagree on Christianity. As I’ve said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.
     
    That wasn't because Zelensky was Jewish, though--right? But rather because he was perceived as being too soft on Russia.

    Though if one wants to be a cynic, one could point out that the Jewish population in western Ukraine was almost completely murdered in the Holocaust whereas there were astronomically more Jewish survivors in the Ukrainian territories that were already a part of the Soviet Union back in 1938. In these latter territories, I've seen data from Yitzhak Arad's book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR's 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941. That's extraordinarily impressive given that the entire Ukrainian SSR was occupied by the Nazis in the early stages of World War II!

    We disagree on Christianity. As I’ve said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.
     
    Is Hinduism pagan because it's polytheistic or for another reason?

    And basically, to clarify: You're suggesting that something similar to Christianity and Islam would have eventually been created and taken over much of the world in place of these two religions had both of these religions never been created, right?

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1132. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1609791119247687680

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    Islamists are dumb as shit r*ghtoids. Why would anyone in their right mind who does not at least have the excuse of being from a Muslim culture and seeking some way (no matter how retarded) to overturn Western colonialism sign up with them?

    Aligning one with Islam and with Russia in order to oppose Western Supremacy both strike me as dumb lol. It’s either the Western road or the Chinese road. Pick one.

    The Israeli occupation of Palestine will end within a decade of the Palestinians beginning to throw a gay pride parade. Kavkazoids should also make note of that.

    Caucasians would rather be privileged and pampered POC in a wealthy liberal Russia than be kings of their own dirt-poor independent shithole countries lol.

    As a side note, someone should go ask Ramzan Kadyrov if butt plugs are gay when they’re used by straight men and women.

  1133. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    But what about the suffering of the proverbial Arab Street on the hands of the ungodly Zio-Anglo Imperialism?

     

    Arabs have suffered far more from our own irrationality, incompetence and dysfunctionality than from the "ungodly Zio-Anglo" Empire.

    Put it this way: if Israel and America were to disappear tomorrow, would the Arab world experience any significant improvement as society? Would we become more prosperous and peaceful? Would our cultural and economic productivity be meaningfully elevated?

    The Palestinians might experience some perceptible improvement, since evidently Israel is a stranglehold around their necks. But the rest of the Arab world would see no difference materially or culturally; in fact quite the opposite, since like the rest of the world, much of our technological and material advancement is dependent upon American knowledge, expertise and innovation. The world would be worse off without Intel, Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Oracle, Boeing and GE; Harvard, MIT and Stanford.

    Even assuming the Middle East becomes less conflict-ridden without Anglo-Zionist intervention, Charles Murray in Human Accomplishment presented statistical evidence of warfare's tendency to not diminish cultural productivity. The Athenian Golden Age (circa 479 B.C. to 322 B.C.) corresponded with the First Peloponnesian War which lasted 15 years, followed by only decade of peace and then another 30 year period of war and turmoil which culminated in Athens losing 1/3 of its population in 430 B.C. Yet this 150 year period of war and turmoil also produced Aeschylus, Pindar, Parmenides, Anaxagoras, Sophocles, Herodotus, Protagoras, Euripides, Myron, Polykleitos, Lysippos, Phidias, Thucydides, Socrates, Democritus, Hippocrates, Polygnotus, Aristophanes, Zeuxis, Eudoxus, Praxiteles, Theophrastus, Plato and Aristotle.

    So the Arab world's malaise is more due to our own failures than any external agent. I wrote before that the only durable solution to our problems is to improve our human capital base, through either long-term differential fertility or genetic enhancement technologies. It would reduce poverty, improve aesthetics, and elevate our civilization’s cultural productivity. The probability of this happening is unfortunately <1%, because the people in power have faulty diagnosis' and misplaced priorities. And most people are simply incapable of absorbing inconvenient truths regarding genetics, and to a lesser extent, culture; especially when the conversation centers around deficiencies. They prefer to blame external agents for all their ills - sooths the ego.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    Get rid of FBD cousin marriage and the Arab and Muslim worlds could possibly prosper much more.

  1134. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz‘ who was the representative of the military/executive power.
     
    Yes, it's people also ultimately sought union with the PLC, so the Muscovites destroyed them.

    But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.
     
    Christianity did not weaken the position of Slavs in Poland, while that in what is now Russia was already weak, prior to Christianity. Having a foreign "Noviop" elite was a Russia problem, not a Christianity problem. And in East Slavic lands this preceded Christianity - the Rus took over before Christianization, and before the Rus arrived, the Slavs there may have been ruled by Khazars.

    Polish Szlachta may have LARPed as Sarmatians but they were just as Slavic as their peasant subjects. Maybe even more so - some Germans were allowed to settle as farmers and these may have mixed with the peasants. (I once came across a Polish eccentric who turned Sarmatism on its head by claiming that only Szlachta were Slavs and therefore were the only indigenous inhabitants of Poland, while peasants were imported outsiders, comparable to Filipinos and Pakistani workers in Dubai, and therefore like them not deserving of any rights or even citizenship).

    The East Slavs of what would later be Ukraine shared with those of what would later be Russia the problem of having been taken over by the Rus. But for Ukrainians this was a one-time event, like the Norman conquest was for the English. After that, the elites were mostly locals. Many of them may have adopted the language of their Polish brothers but the local gentry and Cossack officer class was mostly arising from a mix of local boyar families and the Rus. While in Russia, the Tatar yoke added another layer and centuries more to the "Noviop" phenomenon, the influx of Baltic Germans yet another, the Bolsheviks another still.

    The contrast is seen in the period of the Russian Civil War. All of the Ukrainian figures were ethnic Ukrainians. Petliura (Cossack gentry/officer class), Makhno, Vynnychenko (peasants), Hrushevsky (gentry). But the Reds were led by Lenin (Swedish, German, Kalmyk, Jewish descent), Trotsky (Jew from Ukraine - note he had to move to Russia to make something of himself, Russia not Ukraine was where a Jew could become a great leader), Stalin (Georgian). Actual Russians played a rather marginal role. The Whites were a little better, but still - Denikin was a Russian, but Wrangel was a German, Kornilov a Kalmyk.

    Ironically the fact that a Jewish guy could in the 21st century become president of Ukraine is probably the product of Russian cultural influence brought about by Soviet rule which despite its opposition to Russian nationalism, managed to import more Russian influence into Ukraine than the more laid back tsars had managed to do. The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.

    They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian
     
    The Wends on the Baltic were explorers and raiders but the East Slavs seem to have been agriculturalists, even prior to their enserfment. IIRC Herodotus mentioned some farmer-Scythians north of the steppe.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the “Russian” Empire.
     
    This was sort of theme in Bykov's book Ж/Д. It was about Varangians and Jews fighting over Russia, with the local Slavs carrying on underneath, barely noticed, but with their own magic. Bykov himself is Jewish but he writes respectfully, I think. He is a friend of a friend, though I was never introduced.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here
     
    Thank you. We have similar musical taste.

    We disagree on Christianity. As I've said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.

    That wasn’t because Zelensky was Jewish, though–right? But rather because he was perceived as being too soft on Russia.

    Though if one wants to be a cynic, one could point out that the Jewish population in western Ukraine was almost completely murdered in the Holocaust whereas there were astronomically more Jewish survivors in the Ukrainian territories that were already a part of the Soviet Union back in 1938. In these latter territories, I’ve seen data from Yitzhak Arad’s book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR’s 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941. That’s extraordinarily impressive given that the entire Ukrainian SSR was occupied by the Nazis in the early stages of World War II!

    We disagree on Christianity. As I’ve said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.

    Is Hinduism pagan because it’s polytheistic or for another reason?

    And basically, to clarify: You’re suggesting that something similar to Christianity and Islam would have eventually been created and taken over much of the world in place of these two religions had both of these religions never been created, right?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I’ve seen data from Yitzhak Arad’s book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR’s 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941.

    That is entirely possible.

    We know that during the Battle of Kiev (1941) the Communists and their sympathizers fled into the Soviet Union. They weren't going to stick around to see what the Nazis had planned. There were also a lot of local Ukrainians that were itching to get revenge against the Communists. Bad time to be a Red.

    Why would we assume that most of the Jews decided to stay? We also know that there were Polish Jews that kept fleeing Eastward. Word would have spread that you're better off moving than waiting for the SS.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1135. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The least Soviet and Russian part of Ukraine, Galicia, was the only one that voted for the ethnic Ukrainian Poroshenko and against Zelensky.
     
    That wasn't because Zelensky was Jewish, though--right? But rather because he was perceived as being too soft on Russia.

    Though if one wants to be a cynic, one could point out that the Jewish population in western Ukraine was almost completely murdered in the Holocaust whereas there were astronomically more Jewish survivors in the Ukrainian territories that were already a part of the Soviet Union back in 1938. In these latter territories, I've seen data from Yitzhak Arad's book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR's 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941. That's extraordinarily impressive given that the entire Ukrainian SSR was occupied by the Nazis in the early stages of World War II!

    We disagree on Christianity. As I’ve said earlier, paganism could only survive in a geographically isolated and densely populated place like India. It fell everywhere else, if not to Christianity than to Islam. And Slavic paganism was of the primitive kind, analogous to that practiced in the Kush mountains, not of the an urban civilized place as in India.
     
    Is Hinduism pagan because it's polytheistic or for another reason?

    And basically, to clarify: You're suggesting that something similar to Christianity and Islam would have eventually been created and taken over much of the world in place of these two religions had both of these religions never been created, right?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’ve seen data from Yitzhak Arad’s book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR’s 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941.

    That is entirely possible.

    We know that during the Battle of Kiev (1941) the Communists and their sympathizers fled into the Soviet Union. They weren’t going to stick around to see what the Nazis had planned. There were also a lot of local Ukrainians that were itching to get revenge against the Communists. Bad time to be a Red.

    Why would we assume that most of the Jews decided to stay? We also know that there were Polish Jews that kept fleeing Eastward. Word would have spread that you’re better off moving than waiting for the SS.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    The Kresy (eastern Polish) Jews had much less time to evacuate to the Soviet interior and also the border between the USSR and Poland from before 1939 was not fully removed after 1939. People could not travel freely between the Kresy and the pre-1939 Soviet territories until after Operation Barbarossa had already begun.

  1136. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I’ve seen data from Yitzhak Arad’s book The Holocaust in the Soviet Union that indicates that as much as (around) 60% of the Jewish population within the Ukrainian SSR’s 1938 borders actually survived the Holocaust due to mass evacuations of Ukrainian Jews to the Soviet interior in 1941.

    That is entirely possible.

    We know that during the Battle of Kiev (1941) the Communists and their sympathizers fled into the Soviet Union. They weren't going to stick around to see what the Nazis had planned. There were also a lot of local Ukrainians that were itching to get revenge against the Communists. Bad time to be a Red.

    Why would we assume that most of the Jews decided to stay? We also know that there were Polish Jews that kept fleeing Eastward. Word would have spread that you're better off moving than waiting for the SS.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The Kresy (eastern Polish) Jews had much less time to evacuate to the Soviet interior and also the border between the USSR and Poland from before 1939 was not fully removed after 1939. People could not travel freely between the Kresy and the pre-1939 Soviet territories until after Operation Barbarossa had already begun.

  1137. People could not travel freely between the Kresy and the pre-1939 Soviet territories until after Operation Barbarossa had already begun.

    That would still give Polish refugees plenty of time to move Eastward.

    The Nazis weren’t rounding people up as military operations commenced.

    That would happen afterwards and through the SS.

    In fact Eastern Poland still had refugees from the 1939 invasion. Might as well keep moving.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    The Kresy was rapidly conquered during Operation Barbarossa:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yndm1o/operation_barbarossa_on_the_4th_of_july_1941_in/

    By July 4, 1941, pretty much the entire Kresy had already been conquered by the Nazis:

    https://i.redd.it/xkozk8pim8y91.png

    I don't think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1138. New leak of Putin’s $1.3 billion dollar mansion shows massive underground bunker:
    https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/inside-vladimir-putins-top-secret-bunker-on-the-black-sea/

    The guy has watched too many James Bond movies.

    Maybe his defenders will again try to tell us that he would never build such an expensive mansion with a stripper pole and casino.

    20% of Russians use an outhouse and the bunker dwarf spends $1.3 on a mansion with underground tunnels.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ says, "High-placed politicians have hidden agendas and may be crooked, too."

    To quote others,

    Water is Wet.

    Clicking on the link, I am reminded of a more consequential question:

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1139. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    New leak of Putin's $1.3 billion dollar mansion shows massive underground bunker:
    https://nypost.com/2023/05/18/inside-vladimir-putins-top-secret-bunker-on-the-black-sea/

    The guy has watched too many James Bond movies.

    Maybe his defenders will again try to tell us that he would never build such an expensive mansion with a stripper pole and casino.

    20% of Russians use an outhouse and the bunker dwarf spends $1.3 on a mansion with underground tunnels.

    Replies: @QCIC

    JJ says, “High-placed politicians have hidden agendas and may be crooked, too.”

    To quote others,

    Water is Wet.

    Clicking on the link, I am reminded of a more consequential question:

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    There is only one politician in the world with a mansion worth more than a billion dollars.

    That would be cave dwarf, the dictator you defend.

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    He seems mentally unhealthy and should not be given media attention.

    Hannity interviewed him as some type of conservative. I think he was running for governor.

    Fox News will someday have an S&M dungeon show where a guy in leather chaps talks about how liberalism needs to be stopped. Cause taxes. Then he will get whipped by another man but there will be a picture of Reagan in the background so it's conservative.

    Replies: @QCIC

  1140. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ says, "High-placed politicians have hidden agendas and may be crooked, too."

    To quote others,

    Water is Wet.

    Clicking on the link, I am reminded of a more consequential question:

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There is only one politician in the world with a mansion worth more than a billion dollars.

    That would be cave dwarf, the dictator you defend.

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    He seems mentally unhealthy and should not be given media attention.

    Hannity interviewed him as some type of conservative. I think he was running for governor.

    Fox News will someday have an S&M dungeon show where a guy in leather chaps talks about how liberalism needs to be stopped. Cause taxes. Then he will get whipped by another man but there will be a picture of Reagan in the background so it’s conservative.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia's military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive. I think the Russian moves are predictable, so even if I thought they were behaving aggressively the actions of Ukraine and the West would be still be stupid and counterproductive for provoking the Russian response.

    I never claimed to have much opinion on VVP except that:

    He speaks as a statesman should.
    He supposedly had an attractive young mistress.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise. I wouldn't expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history, that is not possible. Trump is similar in this regard. I expect and accept that he has serious connections with organized crime of some form or another. It is naive to believe otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

  1141. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    There is only one politician in the world with a mansion worth more than a billion dollars.

    That would be cave dwarf, the dictator you defend.

    WTF is Bruce Jenner doing wearing a dress? I know the answer, but no one should accept or pretend that this is normal.

    He seems mentally unhealthy and should not be given media attention.

    Hannity interviewed him as some type of conservative. I think he was running for governor.

    Fox News will someday have an S&M dungeon show where a guy in leather chaps talks about how liberalism needs to be stopped. Cause taxes. Then he will get whipped by another man but there will be a picture of Reagan in the background so it's conservative.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive. I think the Russian moves are predictable, so even if I thought they were behaving aggressively the actions of Ukraine and the West would be still be stupid and counterproductive for provoking the Russian response.

    I never claimed to have much opinion on VVP except that:

    He speaks as a statesman should.
    He supposedly had an attractive young mistress.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise. I wouldn’t expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history, that is not possible. Trump is similar in this regard. I expect and accept that he has serious connections with organized crime of some form or another. It is naive to believe otherwise.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive.
     
    "Defensive" with the aim of purifying Ukraine from Nazis no doubt:

    https://static.lsm.lv/media/2022/03/large/1/hfjz.jpg
    , @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine.

    My view is that you are emotionally tied to Putin like an abused wife. You constantly run damage control for him.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise.

    It's not simply gossip. There are details that have been leaked by multiple people.

    If you want to believe they are all false and a $1.3 billion dollar mansion with a bunker belongs to someone else then go ahead. You just tell yourself that just as the abused wife tells herself that he husband isn't so bad.

    In December 2021 did you believe the CIA revealed plans were possible or did you convince yourself that he wouldn't invade?

    I wouldn’t expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history

    Do you deny that he poisons the opposition and imprisons journalists?

    Replies: @QCIC

  1142. @Wokechoke
    @Barbarossa

    Stone the crows (and throw the Jews down the well) it’s Trit Laxa again.

    Arguing in good faith and all that Jazz.


    Russia is going be fine by the looks of it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Wow, she actually had me fooled that time. Usually it’s a dead giveaway from the first post.

  1143. @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Yes, you are entirely correct here AP. And that's exactly the problem of the Russian people. And it goes way back. Probably to the very beginning of the Russia itself.

    I would just add a few things: 1) Novgorod had a veché until it got destroyed. The veché elected a posadnyk (literally a president). And the posadnyk and the main boyar families then invited a knyaz' who was the representative of the military/executive power. 2) Novgorod also had a very strong power of its religious Orthodox Christian leadership. Its metropolitan bishop easily vetoed the decisions of the veché, the posadnyk ans the knyaz' if he felt it necessary. 3) According to what I understand, that was probably also the case in the other early (although some of them probably existed for centuries) Eastern Slav polities. But prior to the conversion to the Christianity, the spiritual power was represented by the head priest of the native paganism. Of course this is very archaic, but it was an entirely functional system. Starting with the christianisation, this system was progressively replaced in Slav lands by a system built upon an abject slavery and the domination of a parasitic cosmopolitan elite. This is what Juraj Krizhanic decried in his writings despite being himself a Uniate priest. Bring a Christian, he could obviously not understand the Christianity role in the process of weakening of the Slav.

    In fact, Russian people have a tragic history that is hidden behind the glitter of the "Russian" Empire. That is why some of the most extreme Russian nationalists have written books such as Россия против Руси and that is why some among them rejected the Orthodox Christianity outright, because it was one of the main tools of the "taming" and the "domestication" of the Slav. They took an ethnos of traders, explorers and warriors and made it into an ethnos of krestyane, because as you have probably noted, the word peasant is in Russian nowadays a cognate of Christian. Although the elite preferred to call these enserfed folks smerdy, that is "the stinky ones" or in Poland bydlo, that is "cattle".

    The elite saw themselves as entirely different, superior and sophisticated. In Russia as you wrote they were nearly 3/4 of foreign origin, in Poland they embraced Sarmaticism. And in Russia this lead in due time to the Revolution and a tentative of "rebranding" of these krestyane as Soviet people.

    Despite this taming and domestication, Russians have explored and conquered an immense territory and were the first to go into space. Poles have created a beautiful native culture and resisted the conquest by both Germans and Russians, Ukrainians have rebelled against any form of unjust domination. Imagine what would have happened if the Slav remained untamed. We would be living now in a different world.

    I have posted it a couple of times already, but I will repost it again because it fits perfectly the discussion, it is a video clip of Сруб, a young postpunk Russian rock band that hints at what we are discussing here. 988 is the "canonical" date of the baptism of the Rus under knyaz' Vladimir, the son of the Khazar concubine, the one that the Church made into a Saint.

    https://youtu.be/P8SAtQ4e7Dg

    The same band has another song, which in my humble opinion represents what the Slav passionary feels like when facing the immensity of the World.

    https://youtu.be/MK2qQmjRSf4

    It took a lot of effort to tame and domesticate such people. A thousand years of effort. And now they have turned us against each other so we use what is left of our passionarnost' against our brothers and end up entirely enslaved without any hope of recovering what was once our birthright, that is the feeling of boundless courage and an ability to go to the very limits of Reality.

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa

    I checked out the music, by the way. Awesome stuff! Despite not understanding a word, I also feel like the feeling conveys. I’ll work it into rotation.

    Thanks for sharing it.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    Post-Soviet Gothic Post-punk.

  1144. @John Johnson
    People could not travel freely between the Kresy and the pre-1939 Soviet territories until after Operation Barbarossa had already begun.

    That would still give Polish refugees plenty of time to move Eastward.

    The Nazis weren't rounding people up as military operations commenced.

    That would happen afterwards and through the SS.

    In fact Eastern Poland still had refugees from the 1939 invasion. Might as well keep moving.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The Kresy was rapidly conquered during Operation Barbarossa:

    Operation Barbarossa on the 4th of July 1941 in the style of Wikipedia War Maps (without roads)
    by u/Miiiiieo in MapPorn

    By July 4, 1941, pretty much the entire Kresy had already been conquered by the Nazis:

    I don’t think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm aware of how fast they invaded.

    The opening days were mostly artillery and aerial bombings. There were already refugees moving East.

    I don’t think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    They weren't controlling anyone during the first week.

    You can't shell an area with thousands of artillery rounds while telling Jews what they can and cannot do.

    The Germans started the war with a massive bombardment and refugees of all types fled East. Control of the local population only occurs once hostilities have concluded.

    Refugees fled all the way to Tashkent:
    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/escape-to-tashkent-fleeing-operation-barbarossa/

    This is normal in war. People get up and leave instead of finding out what will happen to them. The Slavs that decided to stay in Leningrad certainly regretted it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1145. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia's military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive. I think the Russian moves are predictable, so even if I thought they were behaving aggressively the actions of Ukraine and the West would be still be stupid and counterproductive for provoking the Russian response.

    I never claimed to have much opinion on VVP except that:

    He speaks as a statesman should.
    He supposedly had an attractive young mistress.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise. I wouldn't expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history, that is not possible. Trump is similar in this regard. I expect and accept that he has serious connections with organized crime of some form or another. It is naive to believe otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive.

    “Defensive” with the aim of purifying Ukraine from Nazis no doubt:

  1146. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia's military actions in Ukraine. Based on that framework I see their behavior as defensive. I think the Russian moves are predictable, so even if I thought they were behaving aggressively the actions of Ukraine and the West would be still be stupid and counterproductive for provoking the Russian response.

    I never claimed to have much opinion on VVP except that:

    He speaks as a statesman should.
    He supposedly had an attractive young mistress.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise. I wouldn't expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history, that is not possible. Trump is similar in this regard. I expect and accept that he has serious connections with organized crime of some form or another. It is naive to believe otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine.

    My view is that you are emotionally tied to Putin like an abused wife. You constantly run damage control for him.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise.

    It’s not simply gossip. There are details that have been leaked by multiple people.

    If you want to believe they are all false and a $1.3 billion dollar mansion with a bunker belongs to someone else then go ahead. You just tell yourself that just as the abused wife tells herself that he husband isn’t so bad.

    In December 2021 did you believe the CIA revealed plans were possible or did you convince yourself that he wouldn’t invade?

    I wouldn’t expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history

    Do you deny that he poisons the opposition and imprisons journalists?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I expected Russia to respond militarily after Maidan, though at that time I had little idea of the larger context. I did understand the West was toying with WW3 as now everyone recognizes. I believe the main reason for Russia fighting in Syria was to prepare for very serious fighting in Ukraine. At the time I thought a secondary reason was that it might convince the West to back off. I now realize this was mistaken, the Russian military would have never been that foolish.

    In late 2021 I was not paying much attention to this. I did not think Russia was going in, since we had seen lots of pictures of Ukrainian and Russian arms movements in the previous 8 years which did not lead to a full scale operation.

    I wonder if the Russians preempted the long-planned Ukrainian ethnic cleansing in the East by the AFU/NeoNazis?

    Russia's timetable was clearly rushed, so I think the Ukrainians set the schedule and Russia reacted to it. I suspect Russia wanted another year or two of preparation. Russia has experience with drones, but they apparently had not fully embraced the lessons from the latest Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after a year and a half.

    I think Putin's control over this situation is not as strong as you believe. His clique has to coexist with the Russian military and the Russian military industrial complex. I'm sure his group controls parts of it but probably not all. When the country is blatantly threatened militarily [reminder: ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country] these stakeholders become more powerful.

    Just to be clear, every time I write this: "Western ending of ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country" I think you people may be functionally retarded. There is always an extensive backstory to kibbitz over, but the basics of why Russia is fighting in Ukraine are dead simple.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1147. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    The Kresy was rapidly conquered during Operation Barbarossa:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yndm1o/operation_barbarossa_on_the_4th_of_july_1941_in/

    By July 4, 1941, pretty much the entire Kresy had already been conquered by the Nazis:

    https://i.redd.it/xkozk8pim8y91.png

    I don't think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I’m aware of how fast they invaded.

    The opening days were mostly artillery and aerial bombings. There were already refugees moving East.

    I don’t think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    They weren’t controlling anyone during the first week.

    You can’t shell an area with thousands of artillery rounds while telling Jews what they can and cannot do.

    The Germans started the war with a massive bombardment and refugees of all types fled East. Control of the local population only occurs once hostilities have concluded.

    Refugees fled all the way to Tashkent:
    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/escape-to-tashkent-fleeing-operation-barbarossa/

    This is normal in war. People get up and leave instead of finding out what will happen to them. The Slavs that decided to stay in Leningrad certainly regretted it.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3p7dxrhl8

  1148. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    My view is that I have a framework to partially understand Russia’s military actions in Ukraine.

    My view is that you are emotionally tied to Putin like an abused wife. You constantly run damage control for him.

    All the other gossip on VVP seems like noise.

    It's not simply gossip. There are details that have been leaked by multiple people.

    If you want to believe they are all false and a $1.3 billion dollar mansion with a bunker belongs to someone else then go ahead. You just tell yourself that just as the abused wife tells herself that he husband isn't so bad.

    In December 2021 did you believe the CIA revealed plans were possible or did you convince yourself that he wouldn't invade?

    I wouldn’t expect someone who stays ahead of oligarchs and the rest of the Kremlin swamp to have a lily white history

    Do you deny that he poisons the opposition and imprisons journalists?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I expected Russia to respond militarily after Maidan, though at that time I had little idea of the larger context. I did understand the West was toying with WW3 as now everyone recognizes. I believe the main reason for Russia fighting in Syria was to prepare for very serious fighting in Ukraine. At the time I thought a secondary reason was that it might convince the West to back off. I now realize this was mistaken, the Russian military would have never been that foolish.

    In late 2021 I was not paying much attention to this. I did not think Russia was going in, since we had seen lots of pictures of Ukrainian and Russian arms movements in the previous 8 years which did not lead to a full scale operation.

    I wonder if the Russians preempted the long-planned Ukrainian ethnic cleansing in the East by the AFU/NeoNazis?

    Russia’s timetable was clearly rushed, so I think the Ukrainians set the schedule and Russia reacted to it. I suspect Russia wanted another year or two of preparation. Russia has experience with drones, but they apparently had not fully embraced the lessons from the latest Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after a year and a half.

    I think Putin’s control over this situation is not as strong as you believe. His clique has to coexist with the Russian military and the Russian military industrial complex. I’m sure his group controls parts of it but probably not all. When the country is blatantly threatened militarily [reminder: ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country] these stakeholders become more powerful.

    Just to be clear, every time I write this: “Western ending of ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country” I think you people may be functionally retarded. There is always an extensive backstory to kibbitz over, but the basics of why Russia is fighting in Ukraine are dead simple.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I expected Russia to respond militarily after Maidan, though at that time I had little idea of the larger context.

    You're avoiding a very basic question of corruption.

    If Biden was caught taking 100 million from the Chinese should he be removed from office?

    If the Ukrainians did the same with their own pro-Russian president (who didn't deny the charges and fled to Russia) then why would Russia have a moral right to respond militarily?

    Putin never claimed that the war was about the Maidan revolution. You have made up that excuse on your own. Russia actually preferred the non-name actor Zelensky over the pro-Western candidate in 2019. Zelensky won by running on a neutral platform.

    Putin initially claimed the war was about NATO even though Ukraine wasn't in the process of applying.

    In his latest speech he claims to be protecting civilization:
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/09/in-victory-day-speech-putin-says-russias-future-depends-on-troops-in-ukraine-a81074

    Your defenses are not only unsupported but are in contradiction with Putin. You are making up excuses that he isn't using. Do you believe he is dishonest in his explanations?

    I wonder if the Russians preempted the long-planned Ukrainian ethnic cleansing in the East by the AFU/NeoNazis?

    And what evidence do you have of this? Militia fighting by both sides was at a low in 2021. Unlike you I can provide sources.

  1149. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    I checked out the music, by the way. Awesome stuff! Despite not understanding a word, I also feel like the feeling conveys. I'll work it into rotation.

    Thanks for sharing it.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Post-Soviet Gothic Post-punk.

  1150. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'm aware of how fast they invaded.

    The opening days were mostly artillery and aerial bombings. There were already refugees moving East.

    I don’t think that the Nazis ever actually allowed Jews to move from Nazi-controlled territory to Soviet-controlled territory after the start of Operation Barbarossa.

    They weren't controlling anyone during the first week.

    You can't shell an area with thousands of artillery rounds while telling Jews what they can and cannot do.

    The Germans started the war with a massive bombardment and refugees of all types fled East. Control of the local population only occurs once hostilities have concluded.

    Refugees fled all the way to Tashkent:
    https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/escape-to-tashkent-fleeing-operation-barbarossa/

    This is normal in war. People get up and leave instead of finding out what will happen to them. The Slavs that decided to stay in Leningrad certainly regretted it.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1151. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I expected Russia to respond militarily after Maidan, though at that time I had little idea of the larger context. I did understand the West was toying with WW3 as now everyone recognizes. I believe the main reason for Russia fighting in Syria was to prepare for very serious fighting in Ukraine. At the time I thought a secondary reason was that it might convince the West to back off. I now realize this was mistaken, the Russian military would have never been that foolish.

    In late 2021 I was not paying much attention to this. I did not think Russia was going in, since we had seen lots of pictures of Ukrainian and Russian arms movements in the previous 8 years which did not lead to a full scale operation.

    I wonder if the Russians preempted the long-planned Ukrainian ethnic cleansing in the East by the AFU/NeoNazis?

    Russia's timetable was clearly rushed, so I think the Ukrainians set the schedule and Russia reacted to it. I suspect Russia wanted another year or two of preparation. Russia has experience with drones, but they apparently had not fully embraced the lessons from the latest Nagorno-Karabakh conflict after a year and a half.

    I think Putin's control over this situation is not as strong as you believe. His clique has to coexist with the Russian military and the Russian military industrial complex. I'm sure his group controls parts of it but probably not all. When the country is blatantly threatened militarily [reminder: ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country] these stakeholders become more powerful.

    Just to be clear, every time I write this: "Western ending of ABM Treaty and others, progressive expansion of NATO, Western-sponsored coup in a border country" I think you people may be functionally retarded. There is always an extensive backstory to kibbitz over, but the basics of why Russia is fighting in Ukraine are dead simple.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I expected Russia to respond militarily after Maidan, though at that time I had little idea of the larger context.

    You’re avoiding a very basic question of corruption.

    If Biden was caught taking 100 million from the Chinese should he be removed from office?

    If the Ukrainians did the same with their own pro-Russian president (who didn’t deny the charges and fled to Russia) then why would Russia have a moral right to respond militarily?

    Putin never claimed that the war was about the Maidan revolution. You have made up that excuse on your own. Russia actually preferred the non-name actor Zelensky over the pro-Western candidate in 2019. Zelensky won by running on a neutral platform.

    Putin initially claimed the war was about NATO even though Ukraine wasn’t in the process of applying.

    In his latest speech he claims to be protecting civilization:
    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/09/in-victory-day-speech-putin-says-russias-future-depends-on-troops-in-ukraine-a81074

    Your defenses are not only unsupported but are in contradiction with Putin. You are making up excuses that he isn’t using. Do you believe he is dishonest in his explanations?

    I wonder if the Russians preempted the long-planned Ukrainian ethnic cleansing in the East by the AFU/NeoNazis?

    And what evidence do you have of this? Militia fighting by both sides was at a low in 2021. Unlike you I can provide sources.

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