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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

Meanwhile, I’ve published another couple of articles on the Russia/Ukraine conflict that the commenters might find of interest:

https://www.unz.com/runz/did-a-russian-missile-strike-kill-200-nato-officers-in-a-ukrainian-bunker/

https://www.unz.com/runz/assassinating-vladimir-putin/

Also, here’s the new CIA recruitment video ad aimed at disgruntled Russians and the troll response the Russians apparently volleyed back:

 
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  1. Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn’t transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    He will probably become a GAE-Lord, as in, a Lord of the Greater American Empire, especially if Russia will experience a color revolution and turn towards the West again. He might also try playing the grift game due to his quarter-Lak heritage, which can make him a person of color in liberal eyes.

  2. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I’ve read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    I can get ChatGPT to write me interesting stories about Hester Prynne getting married to a eunuch who had a sexual fetish for her scarlet letter. Is that not something?

  3. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn’t cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today’s internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  4. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  5. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer’s hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mickey @ his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISo

    Replies: @QCIC

  6. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Mickey @ his best:

    • LOL: James of Africa
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  7. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    He will probably become a GAE-Lord, as in, a Lord of the Greater American Empire, especially if Russia will experience a color revolution and turn towards the West again. He might also try playing the grift game due to his quarter-Lak heritage, which can make him a person of color in liberal eyes.

  8. A123 says: • Website

    Much has been made of Trump saying he would end the fight in Ukraine in 24 hours.

    -1- The time frame is clearly not serious. It is *exaggerated in a humorous way*. Anyone who thinks that number was intended to be taken seriously has entirely missed the comic strategy:
    • At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden’s lethargy and absence from the world stage.
    • It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with “When?” based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.

    -2- Trump’s 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel’s stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.

    Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

  9. According to Strelkov’s current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is “waging war” (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk’s mother was Jewish), so it’s putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin – former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist “Ozero” political-criminal gang members.

    Sergei Kiriyenko’s grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Since you brought up Prigozhin,

    https://twitter.com/realism_fan/status/1659064275082829824?s=20

    This is a good example of Prigozhin's "let's you and him fight" jewry. No one on the thread points out that Prigozhin is a jew. Many in BOTH sides in that thread know he is. Yet it's turned a blind eye to and Prigozhin is just another Ivan. Most normies will say "There goes that Toad Faced Russian again."

    Prigozhin's "Ecco Homo" with both Russian and Ukie (or American in this case) corpses is very Kosher.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    I doubt that Shoigu's mother was Jewish since she apparently survived the German occupation in Ukraine during WWII, which was almost impossible for a Jewish person or even a half-Jewish person to do:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu

  10. @A123
    Much has been made of Trump saying he would end the fight in Ukraine in 24 hours.

    -1- The time frame is clearly not serious. It is *exaggerated in a humorous way*. Anyone who thinks that number was intended to be taken seriously has entirely missed the comic strategy:
    • At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden's lethargy and absence from the world stage.
    • It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with "When?" based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.

    -2- Trump's 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel's stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.

    Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn’t suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria – uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain – is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That’s why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia – I don’t know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Beckow

    "The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain"

    His name is that Paki.

  11. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the “wrong” side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ….
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.

    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.

    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump’s 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best” ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mikel
    @A123




    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.
     
    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.

    Replies: @A123

  12. QCIC says:
    @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mickey @ his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISo

    Replies: @QCIC

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer’s Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    AI is about control
     
    I've thought about this most explicitly, though it's somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through "approved and fact-checked" channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    Replies: @QCIC

  13. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with “Russia Bad” sensibilities and the “Enemy of my enemy is my friend” logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

  14. Where do all the bodies and the wounded go on both sides?

    Is there ANYTHING leaking out on this subject?

  15. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net – seemed like a letdown.

    [MORE]

    But I’m not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument – the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal – and many are easy to define – it doesn’t take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won’t give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can’t say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird


    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.
     
    The last time I went to a medical doctor (this was ten years ago) he sat with his laptop and input my answers to his questions into a flowchart-tree-diagnosis program. He never touched my body but he did hold a stethoscope against my breastbone for 45 seconds. His nurse in the preliminary exam did handle my arm to attach and detach the blood pressure meter sleeve. Less than a minute. The nurse in the after-session did handle my arm and stick me with a syringe to extract blood. They might as well have been robots.

    I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.

    This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:

    https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
    5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak

    They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
    , @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

  16. @QCIC
    @A123

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.

    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia – here too – but the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled – the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don’t really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind’s future?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.
     
    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.
     
    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    The HMS Defender naval demonstration probably triggered the executive decision.

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  17. There’s so much to discuss about what’s happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the “Great Refusal” as resistance to the “Great Reset” but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one’s physical health indicators like “the internet of bodies” is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming …

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George’s old age by now anyway) … Hopefully Musk doesn’t end up like poor Kanye did …

    It’s a shame I can’t just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I’ll just state that Karlin’s predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren’t worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that “Political Economy” (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn’t know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That’s why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin’s beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov’s Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov’s fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov’s Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin’s much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I’m critiquing Karlin’s assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it’s only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call “Force Employment” or perhaps more simply “Military skill” in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we’ve seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle – Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of “Force Employment” or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn’t always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no “wunderwaffen”/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it’s not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    “Military skill” can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros
     
    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the "Leave out the A" Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.
     
    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

  18. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.

    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

  19. @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.

    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News’ Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump’s disdain for Bolton’s signature mustache.[141]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists’ poor electoral performance.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    You *DO NOT* understand American politics... At all. There are a huge number of unwritten rules. There is every reason to believe that a non cabinet position, like NSA, can horse traded for cabinet position confirmation.

    The truth is visible to all who can see: (1)


    Pompeo: Bolton left out of meetings ‘because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie’

     

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed back on claims in former national security adviser John Bolton’s memoir late Monday, telling Fox News’s Sean Hannity that Bolton was frozen out of meetings over suspicions he would either leak or lie about the topics discussed.

    “I haven’t read the book in its entirety, but the excerpts I’ve seen, there’s lots of falsehoods, there’s lot of lies contained there,” Pompeo told Hannity, saying he took issue with even the title, “The Room Where It Happened.”

    “The president and others, myself included, had to cut him out of meetings because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie,” Pompeo said. “It was a really difficult situation where John Bolton thought he was more important than the president of the United States and the American people.”
     
    Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.

    The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump's 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
    ____

    Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2)

    DeSantis Quietly Signs New Law Sealing All of His Travel Records From Public, the Law Applies Retroactively

     

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis always makes a big deal about signing all of the Florida laws that stem from new legislation the people behind his administration submit from his office. However, when he signed the new law that sealed all his travel records [Previously Discussed Here], he did so quietly.

    The Ron DeSantis reelection was all a big con job… all of it. Florida was duped, and I have had a lot of people begging me not to point it out and talk about it. Too bad. The Truth Has No Agenda here!

    The not pretending reason for the exclusive DeSantis new law is to stop anyone from tracing the background of his travel, and the billionaire special interests and donors who funded it, as he launches his 2024 presidential campaign. As I have been saying since last summer, the DeSantis ’24 campaign was planned years ago – long before anyone else was paying attention.
     
    You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/
  20. @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    The last time I went to a medical doctor (this was ten years ago) he sat with his laptop and input my answers to his questions into a flowchart-tree-diagnosis program. He never touched my body but he did hold a stethoscope against my breastbone for 45 seconds. His nurse in the preliminary exam did handle my arm to attach and detach the blood pressure meter sleeve. Less than a minute. The nurse in the after-session did handle my arm and stick me with a syringe to extract blood. They might as well have been robots.

    I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.

    This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:

    https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
    5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak

    They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Thanks: songbird
  21. Recently watched the 1959 Disney movie ‘The Shaggy Dog.’

    [MORE]

    Apparently, it was loosely inspired by the novel ‘The Hound of Florence’ by Felix Salten. It is amazing to think that the author of ‘Josephine Mutzenbacher’ was so influential at Disney, though I guess his name was never on that book. But I have heard that the novel ‘Bambi’ had a lot of dirty elements.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Mutzenbacher

    Afraid that the dog puppet did not work very well and looked creepy. A few of the jokes were too corny for me, but from a socio-historical standpoint, of a story from a vanished America, I still thought it was interesting.

    Early in the film, the older brother is a hobby scientist, but one of his experiments goes wrong (very cornball.) But this results in two interesting scenes.

    In one the father is really mad, and he tells his son to get rid of everything in his laboratory and he says ‘Bury the chemicals.’

    In the other, the two boys (and one of them very young) are on the roof, trying to repair the damage that they did. (Would be perceived as too dangerous today.)

    I also thought that it was interesting how the film sort of has a weak theme of foreigners being suspicious. None of the American characters appear to be able to speak a foreign language, or seem to really need or want to, unless you count Latin, in one scene.

  22. @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    I don’t know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we’ll survive them, obviously.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikel

    Never been able to wrap my head around quantum computing. Even if I could see it, not sure I'd be able to believe it.
    ___
    Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects - wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.

    But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.

    If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can't be faked.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mikel

    "He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037


    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?
     
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.
     
    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.
     
    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  23. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.
     
    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.
     
    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.

    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won’t allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck – and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off…or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That’s what I think they will do…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the "Russia Bad" meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

  24. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    The HMS Defender naval demonstration probably triggered the executive decision.

  25. Lots of cross over with the Lynx and K-Car as a Drone Strike before the drone. Also a semi disavowed Mercenary force fresh from Malaya, Vietnam and Indonesia fighting a Soviet Equipped Autocrat.

  26. @sudden death
    According to Strelkov's current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is "waging war" (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk's mother was Jewish), so it's putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin - former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist "Ozero" political-criminal gang members.


    Sergei Kiriyenko's grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Since you brought up Prigozhin,

    This is a good example of Prigozhin’s “let’s you and him fight” jewry. No one on the thread points out that Prigozhin is a jew. Many in BOTH sides in that thread know he is. Yet it’s turned a blind eye to and Prigozhin is just another Ivan. Most normies will say “There goes that Toad Faced Russian again.”

    Prigozhin’s “Ecco Homo” with both Russian and Ukie (or American in this case) corpses is very Kosher.

  27. @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

    Never been able to wrap my head around quantum computing. Even if I could see it, not sure I’d be able to believe it.
    ___
    Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects – wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.

    But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.

    If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can’t be faked.

  28. QCIC says:
    @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the “Russia Bad” meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don’t know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.
     
    Nazis are irrelevant, they are disposable pawns in this game. What really matters is that the so-called West (the empire and its vassals; the identity of the empire changes, but the crux of the matter does not) is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as it was for centuries. It is ruled by psychopaths today. The inmates “democratically” took over lunatic asylum.
  29. Patriot system trash-talks Russian hypersonic missiles. SlightlyNSFW.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    Replies: @Pixo

  30. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    They could still take their toys and retreat.

    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  31. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the "Russia Bad" meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    Nazis are irrelevant, they are disposable pawns in this game. What really matters is that the so-called West (the empire and its vassals; the identity of the empire changes, but the crux of the matter does not) is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as it was for centuries. It is ruled by psychopaths today. The inmates “democratically” took over lunatic asylum.

    • Agree: QCIC
  32. Supposedly, a smaller, lighter version of a radioisotope thermoelectric generator on the horizon. Hard to understand what its secret sauce is, other than strontium, though strontium has been done before.

    https://spacenews.com/zeno-power-gets-30-million-to-build-radioisotope-powered-satellite-for-u-s-military/

    [MORE]

    BTW, did anyone ever hear of the Soviet lighthouse RTGs along the Arctic Coast? Seems like kind of a failed idea in some ways, but still pretty interesting. Forget if I ever mentioned them before:

    In addition to spacecraft, the Soviet Union built 1007 RTGs[7] to power uncrewed lighthouses and navigation beacons on the Soviet arctic coast by the late 1980s.[7][8] Many different types of RTGs (including Beta-M type) were built in the Soviet Union for a wide variety of purposes. The lighthouses were not maintained for many years after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Some of the RTG units disappeared during this time—either by looting or by the natural forces of ice/storm/sea.[7] In 1996, a project was begun by Russian and international supporters to decommission the RTGs in the lighthouses, and by 2021, all RTGs are now removed.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator

  33. QCIC says:
    @Pixo
    Patriot system trash-talks Russian hypersonic missiles. SlightlyNSFW.

    https://twitter.com/jebbbby/status/1658577472072429573

    Replies: @QCIC

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @QCIC

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    Replies: @QCIC

  34. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.
     
    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    Replies: @sudden death

  35. A123 says: • Website
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    There's so much to discuss about what's happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the "Great Refusal" as resistance to the "Great Reset" but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one's physical health indicators like "the internet of bodies" is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming ...

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...

    It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    "Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    Replies: @A123, @Pixo

    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros

    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  36. A lot of what’s going on with the regime was baked in because, as analysts from Pareto and Mosca, Schmitt, Burnham, McLuhan all were telling us, the refinement of mind manipulation ideas go back to Ramses III (who invented Leni Riefenstahl style epic spectacle propaganda) , then on to the Romans but were refined by Bernays and his disciples. It’d be instructive to know the discussions behind opening up the internet to non- institutional users in the early 90s. They tried to make a tame/controlled version with AOL and Compuscrew- remember those? But it sure looks to me like things got out of hand- however since those early days, they refined their ability to control search, so now results are the thin gruel they all ate in ‘1984’
    Power is an end in itself, but until there is literally only one mind remaining, it will always be confounded and subverted. Right now, Russia and China make common cause to defend themselves against the New Jerusalem but no one should be under the illusion China would not play the same game had they not gone through a collapse period of their own- much of it self caused. Powerful people surround themselves with toadies and suppress heresies. They assume a track record of success over multiple generations is indicative of permanent divine favor.

  37. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.
     
    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)


    https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  38. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @A123




    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.
     
    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.

    Replies: @A123

    You *DO NOT* understand American politics… At all. There are a huge number of unwritten rules. There is every reason to believe that a non cabinet position, like NSA, can horse traded for cabinet position confirmation.

    The truth is visible to all who can see: (1)

    Pompeo: Bolton left out of meetings ‘because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie’

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed back on claims in former national security adviser John Bolton’s memoir late Monday, telling Fox News’s Sean Hannity that Bolton was frozen out of meetings over suspicions he would either leak or lie about the topics discussed.

    “I haven’t read the book in its entirety, but the excerpts I’ve seen, there’s lots of falsehoods, there’s lot of lies contained there,” Pompeo told Hannity, saying he took issue with even the title, “The Room Where It Happened.”

    “The president and others, myself included, had to cut him out of meetings because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie,” Pompeo said. “It was a really difficult situation where John Bolton thought he was more important than the president of the United States and the American people.”

    Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.

    The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump’s 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
    ____

    Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2)

    DeSantis Quietly Signs New Law Sealing All of His Travel Records From Public, the Law Applies Retroactively

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis always makes a big deal about signing all of the Florida laws that stem from new legislation the people behind his administration submit from his office. However, when he signed the new law that sealed all his travel records [Previously Discussed Here], he did so quietly.

    The Ron DeSantis reelection was all a big con job… all of it. Florida was duped, and I have had a lot of people begging me not to point it out and talk about it. Too bad. The Truth Has No Agenda here!

    The not pretending reason for the exclusive DeSantis new law is to stop anyone from tracing the background of his travel, and the billionaire special interests and donors who funded it, as he launches his 2024 presidential campaign. As I have been saying since last summer, the DeSantis ’24 campaign was planned years ago – long before anyone else was paying attention.

    You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/

  39. Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    How does that make any sense?
     
    To a WEIRD WEIRD West-ener it doesn't, but it is a different culture, some might say a more primitive one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBMY3VV5AMA

    Those Russians didn't need any kind of training to know they were inevitably going to die going up against a tank plus superior numbers of supporting infantry --and not even in Russia proper--yet they did not quit. And those were merely part of a thin screen of satellite forces out on front the beetling battlements of continuous line that gets more dense and the deeper you go. If those grimily determined (and grimy) fellows were just 'conscripts', they had a remarkable fighting spirit.


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    Mike
    @KofmanMichael
    and I wrote about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive and what comes afterwards. Although Ukraine will likely make gains, this offensive is unlikely to end the war. Western countries need a plan for supporting Ukraine for a long war.
     
    Endless if the above small unit action is anything to go b.y

    Tatarigami_UA
    @Tatarigami_UA
    I had discussions with several officers in Bakhmut and its surrounding area today, and it is disheartening to note that the situation remains very challenging in the city itself. The problem stems from the fact that the russian forces maintain a significant advantage in terms of artillery and mortars numbers.

    Regardless of the training, experience and preparation of our soldiers, if positions are reduced to rubble by non-stop shelling, we will be unable to hold them.
     

    I agree the (seventy-something) Macgregor has been less than prescient about Russian capabilities and the utility of armored mobile large formation warfare. The most likely explanation for Bakhmut is not that one side is clever and the other is idiotic, but rather that both sides somewhat stupidly decided to go toe to toe irrespective of the consequences.
  40. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    They could still take their toys and retreat.

    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn’t that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/”religious” value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.
     
    Give it time. Trump's 2nd term will repudiate anti-America IslamoGloboHomo, including anti-Semite Zelensky and Not-The-President Biden.

    The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.

    PEACE 😇
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Everything that liberals love would be gone.
     
    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    Replies: @Beckow

  41. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    Give it time. Trump’s 2nd term will repudiate anti-America IslamoGloboHomo, including anti-Semite Zelensky and Not-The-President Biden.

    The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.

    PEACE 😇

  42. Pixo says:
    @QCIC
    @Pixo

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    Replies: @Pixo

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    Missile defense systems can be overwhelmed or fooled and it only takes one missile leaking through to destroy a system. To do a reasonable job you need a lot of defensive missile systems such as Russia employs with multiple levels (short-medium-long range).

    I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.

  43. Pixo says:
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    There's so much to discuss about what's happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the "Great Refusal" as resistance to the "Great Reset" but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one's physical health indicators like "the internet of bodies" is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming ...

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...

    It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    "Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    Replies: @A123, @Pixo

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Pixo

    Elon Musk's latest baby mama: 5/10. Would not bang

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I'm thinking about a serious theory to the effect that IVF creates people who are missing something which normally develops at the time of conception and early growth in the mother. I am interested in background material on the IVF topic such as how many people, how many miscarriages, how do they turn out, etc. If anyone here was born as the result of IVF it would be neat to read about any unique experiences they have in this regard.

    I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.

    I don't know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn't surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.

    Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity's best hope. Now, not so much.

    , @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers :(

    "Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"

    Replies: @Pixo

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Pixo


    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

     

    Thanks.

    Perhaps the whole conflict of Elon Musk vs "the Jews" is fake and there's behind the scenes harmony, with some theatre for the masses. Or perhaps Greenblatt is just a hothead who can't restrain himself, so he overreached and overplayed his hand.

    Anyway, I'm reading the book "Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future" by Ashlee Vance.

    It's interesting in many different ways about Elon Musk's life biography from his earliest years until about 2015/16. Being halfway through the book it's already obvious Greenblatt doesn't have any explicit and clear proof of Musk's "anti-Semitism" since Musk even had a Jewish CEO as a business partner in Tesla, and had some Jewish employees over the years with which he worked just fine and conducted business as with any other non-Jewish persons.

    Otherwise, my feeling is that Musk's heart and soul is in the right place and his intentions are good, but his life record has a lot of suffering and difficult moments in it (Musk got beaten and bullied hard as a youngster, nearly died from a tropical disease once, miscarriages with former partners, daddy issues, etc.), and particularly with wild swings of business fortunes with ugly spats with former business partners and employees, big losses of income on various companies, hard work on entirely new businesses from scratch and so on. Perhaps everyone should make what they will of him and the differing testimonies about his character and pivotal moments of Musk's life and businesses.

  44. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Sean

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the “opportunity” to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia’s starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin’s team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC


    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.
     
    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    Replies: @QCIC

  45. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon Musk’s latest baby mama: 5/10. Would not bang

  46. One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks.

    They don't seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    In other words, AnoninTN will believe anything.

  47. QCIC says:
    @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I’m thinking about a serious theory to the effect that IVF creates people who are missing something which normally develops at the time of conception and early growth in the mother. I am interested in background material on the IVF topic such as how many people, how many miscarriages, how do they turn out, etc. If anyone here was born as the result of IVF it would be neat to read about any unique experiences they have in this regard.

    I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.

    I don’t know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn’t surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.

    Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity’s best hope. Now, not so much.

  48. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    If that happens my humble suggestion would be to go back to the pre-Enlightenment...

    ...the time when AP's ancestors (as he proudly tells us) were already fighting Russia in the name of Greek-Catholicism. Or was it Catholic-Orthodoxy? one never knows with these invented religions...

  49. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or “Millennium Bug”. Don’t you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn’t taken any measures.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    You're right, I have completely forgotten about it. I found the whole idea goofy at the time. Just like the Mayan calendar thing. Silly stuff.

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    If you know machine learning, you might find it less exciting, although there is a still unknown question if the animals' brains are also "less exciting" and perhaps implementing similar networks. Some of the pertubation learning could be similar to some of the learning in nature.

    The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like "terminator science", "golem engineering".

    Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. "RMSProp".

    But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is "Adaptive Moment Estimation".

    Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, "Adam". Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcM_DdqiLSE

    -

    By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.

  50. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.
     
    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.

    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

  51. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.
     
    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)


    https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Bit of crumbling upwards lately

    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

  52. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    In case you haven’t noticed timescales/percentages on the graph – both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline
     
    From predator’s point of view, the best thing about an ostrich is that it hides the head in the sand and does not see the predator coming. Apparently, Ted Cruz turned out to be smarter than an ostrich. Which likely puts him in the smartest dozen in the US senate.
  53. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.

    I don’t know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia’s nuclear threat remains though, if that’s what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    , @A123
    @Mikel


    the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    The idea that there is a committed coalition supporting Kiev aggression is delusional.

    We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon's presidential hopes.

    Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a "war economy" in support of Zelensky's violence?

    PEACE 😇
  54. Wonder if Japanese is the language with the most double-entendres. That is what it seems like to me, reading their humor.

  55. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @songbird

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you're going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.
     
    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    Replies: @songbird

  56. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline

    From predator’s point of view, the best thing about an ostrich is that it hides the head in the sand and does not see the predator coming. Apparently, Ted Cruz turned out to be smarter than an ostrich. Which likely puts him in the smartest dozen in the US senate.

  57. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Everything that liberals love would be gone.
     
    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    Replies: @Beckow

    If that happens my humble suggestion would be to go back to the pre-Enlightenment…

    …the time when AP’s ancestors (as he proudly tells us) were already fighting Russia in the name of Greek-Catholicism. Or was it Catholic-Orthodoxy? one never knows with these invented religions…

  58. The full replay from Laguna Seca is now up.

    PEACE 😇

  59. @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

    “The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain”

    His name is that Paki.

  60. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you’re going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Joe Paluka

    I do that sometimes. You can also freeze whole loaves and put them in the oven, though it is a bit trickier.

  61. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.

    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters – it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army…all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke. I don’t think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? – it has all been done. That’s the problem with overdoing desperate ‘soft power’ measures – it leaves no credible threats.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails
     
    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

     

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke
     
    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    That is not the way it works
     
    That's the way it's been working. As AK said when he predicted the imminent invasion, "troops don't lie". Those troops hadn't been amassed around Ukraine for routine exercises. Likewise, those same troops haven't stopped retreating after their initial gains due to "gestures of good will" or "regroupings for the next phase". Their direction of march shows who has the better logistics, tactics and weapons.

    In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine's western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can't possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.
    , @Sean
    @Beckow


    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value
     
    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China's undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child's play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.
     
    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery's mass effect--rather than precision weapons-- might prove to be the crucial factor.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  62. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don’t know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I've said this before, but I don't think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  63. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yep, this would be comparable to China trying to conquer and outright annex all of Vietnam and engage in cultural genocide there, aiming to turn the Vietnamese into Chinamen. In such a case, the Vietnamese are likely to ferociously resist the Chinese. Also assume that the Vietnamese get extremely massive amounts of Western military assistance in such a scenario and that the China:Vietnam population disparity is 5:1 rather than 14:1.

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.
     
    What Ukraine? Are the Russians in Ukraine also "Ukraine"? Is Crimea or Donbas?

    You use over-the-top rhetoric to cover up the real issue. It is always done in wars, you should do better.

    The reality is that two separate 'nations' are fighting for their existence: Ukie Ukies and the Donbas Ukies assisted now by the Russians from Russia. The Ukie Ukies can easily retreat from Donbas - they don't live there. But where would the millions of Russians living there go? Killed or expelled? Or only totally suppressed and forcefully Ukrainized?

    The real analogy to this war is something like Netherlands' Belgium in 1830 - the Dutch suppressed the Catholic French-speakers and France came to help its co-patriots and created Belgium. Or creation of Italy and Germany. Or WW1 aftermath when a number of minorities were allowed self-determination. In 2023 it is a bit late for this ethnic mess, that's why it feels so odd and is easily manipulated - you do it too.

    It is about equal rights and equal security for all sides - just because you stick "Russian!" in front of a universal term doesn't mean that the basic human rights no longer exist. Think about it a little and stop with sloganeering. If for no other reason, because you are likely to lose this fight and will grudgingly admit that "Russian are people too". Why wait until then to be reasonable?

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    That you have to say it sorta speaks to the lies.

    That Azov Bat call themselves that name…

  64. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it’s risky and shouldn’t be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Bill P

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @QCIC
    @Bill P

    Thanks.

    I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  65. @sudden death
    According to Strelkov's current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is "waging war" (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk's mother was Jewish), so it's putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin - former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist "Ozero" political-criminal gang members.


    Sergei Kiriyenko's grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    I doubt that Shoigu’s mother was Jewish since she apparently survived the German occupation in Ukraine during WWII, which was almost impossible for a Jewish person or even a half-Jewish person to do:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu

  66. @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Yep, this would be comparable to China trying to conquer and outright annex all of Vietnam and engage in cultural genocide there, aiming to turn the Vietnamese into Chinamen. In such a case, the Vietnamese are likely to ferociously resist the Chinese. Also assume that the Vietnamese get extremely massive amounts of Western military assistance in such a scenario and that the China:Vietnam population disparity is 5:1 rather than 14:1.

  67. Sean says:
    @John Johnson
    Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Sean

    How does that make any sense?

    To a WEIRD WEIRD West-ener it doesn’t, but it is a different culture, some might say a more primitive one.

    Those Russians didn’t need any kind of training to know they were inevitably going to die going up against a tank plus superior numbers of supporting infantry –and not even in Russia proper–yet they did not quit. And those were merely part of a thin screen of satellite forces out on front the beetling battlements of continuous line that gets more dense and the deeper you go. If those grimily determined (and grimy) fellows were just ‘conscripts’, they had a remarkable fighting spirit.

    Pinned Tweet
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    Mike
    @KofmanMichael
    and I wrote about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive and what comes afterwards. Although Ukraine will likely make gains, this offensive is unlikely to end the war. Western countries need a plan for supporting Ukraine for a long war.

    Endless if the above small unit action is anything to go b.y

    Tatarigami_UA
    @Tatarigami_UA
    I had discussions with several officers in Bakhmut and its surrounding area today, and it is disheartening to note that the situation remains very challenging in the city itself. The problem stems from the fact that the russian forces maintain a significant advantage in terms of artillery and mortars numbers.

    Regardless of the training, experience and preparation of our soldiers, if positions are reduced to rubble by non-stop shelling, we will be unable to hold them.

    I agree the (seventy-something) Macgregor has been less than prescient about Russian capabilities and the utility of armored mobile large formation warfare. The most likely explanation for Bakhmut is not that one side is clever and the other is idiotic, but rather that both sides somewhat stupidly decided to go toe to toe irrespective of the consequences.

  68. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk’s father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Mr. XYZ

    Can't be bothered to go find that Tweet (might go and do it sometime), but Elon's father basically has the same/similar worldview as Alex Jones (not sure if he's a follower or not) lol.

  69. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.

    The idea that there is a committed coalition supporting Kiev aggression is delusional.

    We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon’s presidential hopes.

    Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a “war economy” in support of Zelensky’s violence?

    PEACE 😇

  70. QCIC says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven’t done this yet because they don’t want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don’t need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.
     
    All wars are generally stupid, but this one takes the cake: the level of destruction, escalation risks, and very high casualties are way out of line with the issues this war is fought about: Nato expansion and Russian minority rights.

    They twist it into an 'existential, civilizational' war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical "Asiats are coming!!!' racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.

    But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.
  71. @AnonfromTN
    One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Thanks.

    They don’t seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.

  72. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we've rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    Replies: @Pixo

  73. A123 says: • Website

    Nike being IslamoGloboHomo is understandable. It is a brand that hates Christians.

    The fiasco from Bud Light is obvious. Can marketing get worse? Yep. Ford has gone full IslamoGloboHomo: (1)

    Ford Motor Company has found itself ensnared in a potential controversy after Twitter users highlighted an ad that features a rainbow colored vehicle as part of a campaign called ‘redefining tough’.

      

    The end of the commercial shows the words ‘REDIFINING TOUGH’ as the ‘TOUGH’ part of the text also flashes with LGBT colors.

    Apparently, the colors of a movement that seeks to normalize the sexual mutilation of children is now considered “tough” by Ford.

    Although the commercial was actually produced by the European division of Ford and is over 10 months old, the clip only just caught the attention of Twitter users and has over a million views on the platform.

    How many truck buyers are Muslim or gay? Yes. It is obviously an EU deviant ad. The license plate gives it away. But, why would American HQ approve this?

    I am in the market for a truck… And 100% sure… I will not buy a gay Ford.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truck

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAFKqkifqBM

  74. @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

    “He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037

    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.

    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.

    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The answer to your question does not fit into internet bulletin board text boxes and no, Chat GPT can't tell you either. You need to read books.

    Begin with this one:

    https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565

    Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.

  75. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    Thanks.

    I wasn’t even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  76. The world is big. From outside of the imperial patch:
    The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
    A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
    China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
    (Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the "Valeriepieris circle", which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYFo9QpVsAAw99y.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcqq8eAufXk

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  77. @AnonfromTN
    One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    In other words, AnoninTN will believe anything.

  78. @A123
    Nike being IslamoGloboHomo is understandable. It is a brand that hates Christians.

    The fiasco from Bud Light is obvious. Can marketing get worse? Yep. Ford has gone full IslamoGloboHomo: (1)


    Ford Motor Company has found itself ensnared in a potential controversy after Twitter users highlighted an ad that features a rainbow colored vehicle as part of a campaign called ‘redefining tough’.

     
    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2023-05-18_09-59-19.jpg?itok=eaMZKU3i
     

    The end of the commercial shows the words ‘REDIFINING TOUGH’ as the ‘TOUGH’ part of the text also flashes with LGBT colors.

    Apparently, the colors of a movement that seeks to normalize the sexual mutilation of children is now considered “tough” by Ford.

    Although the commercial was actually produced by the European division of Ford and is over 10 months old, the clip only just caught the attention of Twitter users and has over a million views on the platform.
     

    How many truck buyers are Muslim or gay? Yes. It is obviously an EU deviant ad. The license plate gives it away. But, why would American HQ approve this?

    I am in the market for a truck... And 100% sure... I will not buy a gay Ford.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truck

    Replies: @Sean

  79. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails

    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke

    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    Replies: @AP

  80. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    That is not the way it works

    That’s the way it’s been working. As AK said when he predicted the imminent invasion, “troops don’t lie”. Those troops hadn’t been amassed around Ukraine for routine exercises. Likewise, those same troops haven’t stopped retreating after their initial gains due to “gestures of good will” or “regroupings for the next phase”. Their direction of march shows who has the better logistics, tactics and weapons.

    In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine’s western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can’t possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.

  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mikel

    "He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037


    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?
     
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.
     
    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.
     
    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The answer to your question does not fit into internet bulletin board text boxes and no, Chat GPT can’t tell you either. You need to read books.

    Begin with this one:

    Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.

  82. @QCIC
    @Bill P

    Thanks.

    I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell’s demon would like to have a word with them.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That's the smart way to move forward as a species.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  83. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we’ve rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of “known unknowns” strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings’ lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there’s a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

  84. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers 🙁

    “Just take Mars and get out of my sight!”

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

  85. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value

    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China’s undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child’s play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.

    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery’s mass effect–rather than precision weapons– might prove to be the crucial factor.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Chinese would not have to do much to have the US shut down the material flow into Ukraine.

  86. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Missile defense systems can be overwhelmed or fooled and it only takes one missile leaking through to destroy a system. To do a reasonable job you need a lot of defensive missile systems such as Russia employs with multiple levels (short-medium-long range).

    I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.

  87. @Joe Paluka
    @songbird

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you're going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    Replies: @songbird

    I do that sometimes. You can also freeze whole loaves and put them in the oven, though it is a bit trickier.

  88. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can’t seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don’t go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    Replies: @songbird

  89. @AP
    @Beckow


    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails
     
    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

     

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke
     
    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    Replies: @Sean

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

  90. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.
     
    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve said this before, but I don’t think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can’t be solved by chasing GDP, and I don’t think it is to anyone’s social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    Replies: @AP

  91. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    You’re right, I have completely forgotten about it. I found the whole idea goofy at the time. Just like the Mayan calendar thing. Silly stuff.

  92. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That’s the smart way to move forward as a species.

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  93. @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers :(

    "Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"

    Replies: @Pixo

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo


    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.
     
    This isn't always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    Replies: @Pixo

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    The idea that one child should be entitled to a much better quality of life relative to another child due to something that is completely out of both of their control is ridiculous. If this was voluntary, then I could understand, but child support is often involuntary and instead relies on the coercive power of the state to enforce.

    If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don't see how exactly one wouldn't likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    You guys are trying to spoil my snark with your logic!

    I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.

    Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.

    +++

    "I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!"

  94. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we've rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    Replies: @Pixo

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    Are clones inferior for a fundamental genetic reason or is it a practical matter of the technology?

    , @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Anecdotally I suspect there is. I'm not claiming any authority here but from the results I've seen autism is suspiciously prevalent for this cohort. Keep in mind that fertility treatment is a very big business here with all the attendant obfuscation of results.

    I'd rather not risk it if it isn't necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.

  95. From Pavel Priannikov’s Tg channel, machine translated with minor corrections.

    Political scientist Gleb Pavlovsky in his book “The System of the Russian Federation. Sources of Russian Strategic Behavior: The George F. Kennan Method, 2015, wrote:
    “Early Putin shared the postmodern dogma that economic power took the place of military power. He laid the financial power of Russia as the basis of national interests and, cutting corners, rushed to it by the shortest path of the “raw material model”. It is imperfect, but for the Kremlin team it was about security, not about economy. Putin can be reproached for something else – the wrong bet he made on the type of globalization. The Russian economy has turned into a financial superbubble fueled by the American-Chinese-European boom. Putin’s project is an ultra-globalist project.

    By nature, Putin is a bourgeois, he is not prone to conflicts. In the 2002 census questionnaire, he wrote about his profession “I provide services to the public.” But after 2014, stability is now out of the question.

    Of course, it was possible to allow a normal democratic conflict in the elections with an uncertain outcome into the System. But for this you need to believe in the good faith of the System, its willingness to change while remaining itself. Its leader, Putin, has no such faith. Putin has absolutely no faith in the civic virtues of Russians. Stalin eradicated the recalcitrant who remembered the Russian Revolution, Brezhnev fought against dissidents, while Putin does not believe in honest behavior at all. He is the biggest skeptic of all the rulers of Russia.”

    Gleb Pavlovsky is often seen as the intellectual father of the RusFed political model. He got estranged from the higher political circles after 2012. He believed tgeb that Putin’s return to power was a mistake. I think we can conclude today that Pavlovsky has been proven right.

    • Agree: AP
  96. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.

    This isn’t always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  97. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    The idea that one child should be entitled to a much better quality of life relative to another child due to something that is completely out of both of their control is ridiculous. If this was voluntary, then I could understand, but child support is often involuntary and instead relies on the coercive power of the state to enforce.

    If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don’t see how exactly one wouldn’t likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.

  98. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I've said this before, but I don't think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  99. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    You guys are trying to spoil my snark with your logic!

    I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.

    Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.

    +++

    “I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!”

  100. @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  101. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that’s not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.

    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was

    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it’s going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ai-human-extinction-great-filter-b2337487.html

    OTOH:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)

    Perhaps it amounts to the same.

  102. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

    Are clones inferior for a fundamental genetic reason or is it a practical matter of the technology?

  103. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo


    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.
     
    This isn't always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    Replies: @Pixo

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Against sperm donors? Yes, in some cases. Not all cases. Hence Ferguson v. McKiernan.

    Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.

    Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.

  104. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    AI is about control

    I’ve thought about this most explicitly, though it’s somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through “approved and fact-checked” channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    I don't think it is possible to police it. People will have to not use the digital tech. Otherwise one is relying on those you know to be lying to you for control and profit.

    In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?

    Yes, I'm a high tech Luddite.

    The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.

  105. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.

    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    Replies: @sudden death

  106. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.

    We’ve always been doing that, haven’t we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    We shouldn't have killed the first mammoth back in the day...

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

  107. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

    Anecdotally I suspect there is. I’m not claiming any authority here but from the results I’ve seen autism is suspiciously prevalent for this cohort. Keep in mind that fertility treatment is a very big business here with all the attendant obfuscation of results.

    I’d rather not risk it if it isn’t necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.

  108. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That's the smart way to move forward as a species.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  109. @Pixo
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Against sperm donors? Yes, in some cases. Not all cases. Hence Ferguson v. McKiernan.

    Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.

    Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.

  110. QCIC says:
    @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    AI is about control
     
    I've thought about this most explicitly, though it's somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through "approved and fact-checked" channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t think it is possible to police it. People will have to not use the digital tech. Otherwise one is relying on those you know to be lying to you for control and profit.

    In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?

    Yes, I’m a high tech Luddite.

    The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.

  111. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  112. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    We shouldn’t have killed the first mammoth back in the day…

  113. QCIC says:
    @sudden death
    @QCIC


    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.
     
    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    Replies: @QCIC

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    The great "westernizer democrat" Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful "safety" delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:


    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”
     
    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  114. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent beguiled me, and I ate.”
     
  115. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    Replies: @AP

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.
     
    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  116. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent beguiled me, and I ate.”

  117. Jean DeVille Idol of Perversity

  118. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    Replies: @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev

    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb

    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And the Kharkiv offensive.
     
    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.
     
    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  119. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    If you know machine learning, you might find it less exciting, although there is a still unknown question if the animals’ brains are also “less exciting” and perhaps implementing similar networks. Some of the pertubation learning could be similar to some of the learning in nature.

    The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like “terminator science”, “golem engineering”.

    Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. “RMSProp”.

    But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is “Adaptive Moment Estimation”.

    Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, “Adam”. Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk.

    By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  120. @AnonfromTN
    The world is big. From outside of the imperial patch:
    The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
    A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
    China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
    (Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)
    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1659229007508807692

    Replies: @Dmitry

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the “Valeriepieris circle”, which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.
     
    That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.

    Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.

    Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.

    Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.

    The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.

    The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.

    Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  121. @Sean
    @Beckow


    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value
     
    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China's undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child's play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.
     
    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery's mass effect--rather than precision weapons-- might prove to be the crucial factor.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Chinese would not have to do much to have the US shut down the material flow into Ukraine.

  122. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    Will this change if Russia is at serious risk of losing the Battle of Crimea River?

    , @AP
    @Sean

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    Replies: @Sean

  123. https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/05/18/clowns-to-left-of-me-jokers-to-right-nato-soft-war-soldiers/

    Excerpt –

    The truth of the matter is Zelensky and Pope Francis are not NATO’s only dunces; NATO is awash with such imbeciles. America has at the helm the senile Joe Biden, whose penchant is soiling his pants in the presence of Zelensky’s Holy Father (when Irish Joe isn’t otherwise engaged with groping children), and his number two is Kamala Harris, a cretin who cackles like one of those 1950s’ laughing sailor machines brought back to life to further terrify the little children Biden has just groped. France has one of history’s most unpopular ever dictators and Scotland, Britain and Ireland have unelected Indians, all three of whom have less charisma than stale bread and less integrity than even Zelensky, supposedly running the show.

    The Germans, whose leaders couldn’t lead a pet pup to the lavatory, are disproving Churchill’s maxim that “the Hun is always either at your throat or your feet” because they are now permanently prostrated at Americas feet, doing Uncle Sam’s bidding and killing off not only their own economy but all of Europe’s in the process.

    Outside of Hungary’s Orbán, Central and Western Europe seem to be ruled by clowns, knock-off Zelenskys who lack any sense, let alone a sense of humour, a sense of honour or indeed any common sense at all.

    Where are Europe’s Charles de Gaulles. Willi Brandts and Éamon de Valeras and why does Europe send Colgate grinner Ursula von der Leyen, who is little more than a walking ad for Botox, to Beijing, given that China had the measure of that plagiarizing tramp-for-hire and treated her accordingly?

    Imagine you try to blow your brains out and you then blame it on Putin or China’s President Xi? Far-fetched? No! That is precisely what Air France, which is 28% owned by Macron’s corrupt regime, is doing. Having waged an unrelenting economic war against Russia, Air France is complaining that Chinese airlines have a competitive advantage, as they can fly over Russia’s vast expanses and the French cannot. Boo hoo.

  124. The alphabet people are getting kicked out of Libraries in Australia over drag queen story time, maybe the worm is turning.

    Roy was disappointed when he was told he wasn’t a woman.

    He reacted badly to the information!

  125. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don’t mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It’s the lower-class blacks that people don’t want to live next to–not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

  126. @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Will this change if Russia is at serious risk of losing the Battle of Crimea River?

  127. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler...
     
    That's easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor...

    Replies: @AP

  128. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    All wars are generally stupid, but this one takes the cake: the level of destruction, escalation risks, and very high casualties are way out of line with the issues this war is fought about: Nato expansion and Russian minority rights.

    They twist it into an ‘existential, civilizational‘ war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical “Asiats are coming!!!‘ racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.

    But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.

  129. @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.

    What Ukraine? Are the Russians in Ukraine also “Ukraine”? Is Crimea or Donbas?

    You use over-the-top rhetoric to cover up the real issue. It is always done in wars, you should do better.

    The reality is that two separate ‘nations’ are fighting for their existence: Ukie Ukies and the Donbas Ukies assisted now by the Russians from Russia. The Ukie Ukies can easily retreat from Donbas – they don’t live there. But where would the millions of Russians living there go? Killed or expelled? Or only totally suppressed and forcefully Ukrainized?

    The real analogy to this war is something like Netherlands’ Belgium in 1830 – the Dutch suppressed the Catholic French-speakers and France came to help its co-patriots and created Belgium. Or creation of Italy and Germany. Or WW1 aftermath when a number of minorities were allowed self-determination. In 2023 it is a bit late for this ethnic mess, that’s why it feels so odd and is easily manipulated – you do it too.

    It is about equal rights and equal security for all sides – just because you stick “Russian!” in front of a universal term doesn’t mean that the basic human rights no longer exist. Think about it a little and stop with sloganeering. If for no other reason, because you are likely to lose this fight and will grudgingly admit that “Russian are people too”. Why wait until then to be reasonable?

  130. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And the Kharkiv offensive.
     
    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.
     
    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    Replies: @Beckow

    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…
     
    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    Replies: @Beckow

  131. @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros
     
    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the "Leave out the A" Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.
     
    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more “anti-Semitism” than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk’s career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei’s Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei’s Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of “death to Zionists” and “Israel will be destroyed in 20 years” every now and then, with Iran’s influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk).
     
    George IslamoSoros supports the genocidal BDS movement. This is from 2019, but nothing has changed: (1)

    Financing tied to billionaire activist George Soros is a common yet largely under-reported theme among organizations that lead or support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign attempting to delegitimize the Jewish state.

    In January [2019], Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.
     
    Essentially every action The IslamoSoros takes is anti-Semitic and pro-Muslim.


    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.
     
    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.
     
    You are delusional if you do not see it changing.

    Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.

    Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/
    , @John Johnson
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally.

    Well our conservatives don't want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.

    Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    They really aren't much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.

    So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?

  132. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The great “westernizer democrat” Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful “safety” delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:

    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

  133. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    Thanks.

    Perhaps the whole conflict of Elon Musk vs “the Jews” is fake and there’s behind the scenes harmony, with some theatre for the masses. Or perhaps Greenblatt is just a hothead who can’t restrain himself, so he overreached and overplayed his hand.

    Anyway, I’m reading the book “Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future” by Ashlee Vance.

    It’s interesting in many different ways about Elon Musk’s life biography from his earliest years until about 2015/16. Being halfway through the book it’s already obvious Greenblatt doesn’t have any explicit and clear proof of Musk’s “anti-Semitism” since Musk even had a Jewish CEO as a business partner in Tesla, and had some Jewish employees over the years with which he worked just fine and conducted business as with any other non-Jewish persons.

    Otherwise, my feeling is that Musk’s heart and soul is in the right place and his intentions are good, but his life record has a lot of suffering and difficult moments in it (Musk got beaten and bullied hard as a youngster, nearly died from a tropical disease once, miscarriages with former partners, daddy issues, etc.), and particularly with wild swings of business fortunes with ugly spats with former business partners and employees, big losses of income on various companies, hard work on entirely new businesses from scratch and so on. Perhaps everyone should make what they will of him and the differing testimonies about his character and pivotal moments of Musk’s life and businesses.

  134. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Can’t be bothered to go find that Tweet (might go and do it sometime), but Elon’s father basically has the same/similar worldview as Alex Jones (not sure if he’s a follower or not) lol.

  135. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    Wouldn’t even a “tactical” nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia’s role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. 🙁

    Don’t worry Beckow, “Super Putler” will save you as he fights the whole world. 🙁

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    Replies: @German_reader

  136. @sudden death
    @QCIC

    The great "westernizer democrat" Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful "safety" delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:


    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”
     
    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    What's the matter? Doesn't Kitaro's music appeal to you? :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

  137. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    What’s the matter? Doesn’t Kitaro’s music appeal to you? 🙂

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    I haven't listened to Kitaro for so many years, he's very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  138. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler...
     
    That's easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor...

    Replies: @AP

    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…

    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    Replies: @AP

  139. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    1. Before the invasion there was a universal expectation that mechanized dashes by either/ any side that managed to concentrate sufficient large formations would be very effective, especially when allied to drones for reconnaissance and artillery spotting. But in practice it has not worked for the Russians despite repeated attempts. What has proven to be crucial is artillery ammunition supply/ transport. We know this because both sides in Bakhmut are complaining that of bottlenecks in the supply of shells. Any mechanized advance that goes forward ten kilometers a day will outrun its logistical train's ability to supply the self propelled guns for the mass effect bombardments necessary for real fighting, and the defending enemy supply dumps will be getting closer to the point of contact so they will have improved logistics.

    2. I do not think there is any prospect of a nuclear weapon being used because the Russians now know that mobile maneuver warfare does not work and so there will be no big Russian offensive to fall victim to a swift powerful counter-offensive and need to be rescued by Russian detonation of thermonuclear mines to create huge craters in from of the tanks. Other first use of any kind of nukes by Russia is non credible. Unless the entire Russian army runs away. But those guys did not run from the tank

  140. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony – drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:

    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).

    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, that's true. What you wrote about is probably also true, but by 1999 Bor'ka alkash was entirely out of his wits. He was basically a zombie, not much to do with the man who seized power with western backing in 1991. Whatever he said after 1996 is to be taken as a drunkard's ramblings similar to the typical drunk Russian "ну ты меня уважаешь?"

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    Replies: @sudden death

  141. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    What's the matter? Doesn't Kitaro's music appeal to you? :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I haven’t listened to Kitaro for so many years, he’s very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    To be honest, I don't listen to Kitaro's music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It's still magical to this day, and he's certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to "Tojiki' and of course his ground breaking "Silk Road", you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  142. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

    Well, that’s true. What you wrote about is probably also true, but by 1999 Bor’ka alkash was entirely out of his wits. He was basically a zombie, not much to do with the man who seized power with western backing in 1991. Whatever he said after 1996 is to be taken as a drunkard’s ramblings similar to the typical drunk Russian “ну ты меня уважаешь?”

  143. @AP
    @Beckow


    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…
     
    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    Replies: @Beckow

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  144. Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    “The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia – no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field – and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it,” the academician said.

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though – preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won’t leave anymore;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Sounds like the Chinese could send a fraction of a fraction of their graduating class of BEng or MEng and fill those gaps. Not unlike the US does with its increasingly Sinoized University cohort.


    Thank Jews.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that's the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

  145. A123 says: • Website
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk).

    George IslamoSoros supports the genocidal BDS movement. This is from 2019, but nothing has changed: (1)

    Financing tied to billionaire activist George Soros is a common yet largely under-reported theme among organizations that lead or support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign attempting to delegitimize the Jewish state.

    In January [2019], Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.

    Essentially every action The IslamoSoros takes is anti-Semitic and pro-Muslim.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    You are delusional if you do not see it changing.

    Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.

    Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/

  146. @sudden death

    Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    "The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia - no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field - and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it," the academician said.
     

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though - preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won't leave anymore;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Sounds like the Chinese could send a fraction of a fraction of their graduating class of BEng or MEng and fill those gaps. Not unlike the US does with its increasingly Sinoized University cohort.

    Thank Jews.

  147. @sudden death

    Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    "The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia - no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field - and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it," the academician said.
     

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though - preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won't leave anymore;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that’s the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the "vaguely free market".

    It doesn't matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.

    50,000 out of how many?

    Replies: @sudden death

  148. @Beckow
    @AP

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    Replies: @AP

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn't comparable to mass murder!

    Replies: @Beckow

  149. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    Replies: @songbird

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.png

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  150. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

    I’m trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about "non targeted neutral" zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    Replies: @QCIC

  151. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    Replies: @sudden death

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about “non targeted neutral” zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

  152. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn’t rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West.
     
    The facts support your evaluation. So far only one country deliberately used nukes against humans. It was not Russia. It also was not NK, India, Pakistan, or even Israel.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    Replies: @QCIC

  153. QCIC says:
    @sudden death
    @QCIC

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about "non targeted neutral" zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    Replies: @QCIC

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
     
    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That's russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let's do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there's a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Matra
    @QCIC

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan's relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    Replies: @sudden death

  154. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the "Valeriepieris circle", which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYFo9QpVsAAw99y.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcqq8eAufXk

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.

    Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.

    Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.

    Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.

    The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.

    The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.

    Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    I wasn't writing specifically for Russia, but for a lot of countries should learn more about India.

    For example, people know in electronic engineering and computer science, some of the main creators of the 19th century are Boole, De Morgan and Babbage. Their inspiration was partly India, as result of the contact of British and Indian peoples created by the British imperialism in India.

    Indian texts were only mostly translated in the beginning of the 19th century. Immediately, after 2 thousand years with no advancement in European logic, the influence of Indian logic partially inspired the creators of modern logic in 1830-65. This is an important theme if you read the biographies of this group, India was almost their main passion in life.

    De Morgan writes in 1859.



    At this very moment there still exists among the higher castes of the country - castes which exercise vast influence over the rest - a body of literature and science which might well be the nucleus of a new civilization, though every trace of Christian and Mohamedan civilization were blotted out of existence. They forget that there exists in India, under circumstances which prove a very high antiquity, a philosophical language which is one of the wonders of the world, and which is a near collateral of the Greek, if not its parent form. From those who wrote in this language we derive our system of arithmetic, and the algebra which is the most powerful instrument of modern analysis.
     
    http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/De_Morgan_1859_Preface.html

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  155. They should have gone in the other direction with Indy and made a politically incorrect movie, where he spoke about things like Battle Axe Culture, or how there was never a meaningful civilization run by women, or how the wheel was practically absent from sub-Sahara.

    That Phoebe character could have been his enemy, digging up sites and trying to claim there were female warriors, or that the Bantu built Great Zimbabwe, or that Cleopatra was black, or that it was ‘pots, not people.’

  156. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That’s russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let’s do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there’s a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance
     
    Translation - not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  157. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West.

    The facts support your evaluation. So far only one country deliberately used nukes against humans. It was not Russia. It also was not NK, India, Pakistan, or even Israel.

  158. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Filthy rich people are the ultimate atheists, no matter what they claim: Gods do not take bribes.

  159. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.png

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Filthy rich people are the ultimate atheists, no matter what they claim: Gods do not take bribes.

  160. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
     
    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That's russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let's do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there's a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @sudden death

    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance

    Translation – not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    Replies: @sudden death

  161. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.

    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do :(

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Mikel
    @sudden death


    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out
     
    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    Replies: @AP

  162. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that's the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the “vaguely free market”.

    It doesn’t matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.

    50,000 out of how many?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC


    50,000 out of how many?
     
    Roughly about 8% from all, but perhaps 20/80 proportion exists in scientific fields too, so the questions are bit open ended - not that easily to quantify what is the loss rate of the most productive/talented strata.

    According to experts from the Institute for Statistical Research and Economics of Knowledge, as of the second half of last year, there were more than 600,000 science workers in the Russian Federation.
     
    https://t.me/russica2/51942

    Replies: @QCIC

  163. @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do 🙁

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    If Ukrainians make it harder and harder to do pointless moronic things for the pointless invading morons, then they achieved the right thing and should be helped, whatever the nicknames may be;)

  164. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do :(

    Replies: @sudden death

    If Ukrainians make it harder and harder to do pointless moronic things for the pointless invading morons, then they achieved the right thing and should be helped, whatever the nicknames may be;)

  165. @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out

    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn’t really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia’s ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

  166. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Is tough to say so I didn't say. This depends on the weather and the jet stream.

    You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.

    There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.

  167. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    I haven't listened to Kitaro for so many years, he's very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    To be honest, I don’t listen to Kitaro’s music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It’s still magical to this day, and he’s certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to “Tojiki’ and of course his ground breaking “Silk Road”, you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The internet is the postmodern Silk Road.

    https://youtu.be/lk2eKqhVouU

  168. Erdogan’s pro-Western rival is claiming that he will kick out the refugees, if elected. Is it all a bluff? Or will he deliver?

    https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Syria has been re-admitted to the Arab League, from the pov of Arab states the attempt to overthrow Assad's government has failed. So theoretically, re-construction should now be possible, and Syrians should be able to go home (maybe after some sort of agreement is reached which has Assad promise not to harm those returning).
    Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria's economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn't normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn't want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
    But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it's still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
    In any case, it's funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/Timour_Ozturk/status/1659127343691059202?cxt=HHwWhMC-3erhs4YuAAAA

  169. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan’s relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Matra

    Selective memory is amazing thing - not only first Reagan term forgotten, but very easy to ignore that US supplied the guns all the time then against invading Soviet army;)

    He even escalated it more in 1986 IIRC with providing Stingers, which negated local Soviet air superiority and was one of the causes, along with financial Soviet shortages due to Western sanctions and oil price slide, which forced to remove Soviet troops from USSR neighbouring Afghanistan in 1988.

  170. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly and argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I’m just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We’re even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I’m fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don’t personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I’m part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I’m fine with that.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

  171. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Is tough to say so I didn’t say. This depends on the weather and the jet stream.

    You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.

    There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.

  172. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Erdogan's pro-Western rival is claiming that he will kick out the refugees, if elected. Is it all a bluff? Or will he deliver?

    https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/

    Replies: @German_reader

    Syria has been re-admitted to the Arab League, from the pov of Arab states the attempt to overthrow Assad’s government has failed. So theoretically, re-construction should now be possible, and Syrians should be able to go home (maybe after some sort of agreement is reached which has Assad promise not to harm those returning).
    Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria’s economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn’t normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn’t want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
    But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it’s still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
    In any case, it’s funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:

    [MORE]

    • Agree: songbird
  173. QCIC says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI’s will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI’s be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @QCIC

    I would expect that AI will follow the same moral schema that I assign to the internet in general, "The internet is sometimes convenient but mostly evil." I always love the baffled looks I get for that one in conversation!

    Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like "ethical porn".

    Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that "ethical porn" was bad for people's sex lives and relationships.

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you!

  174. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @sudden death


    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out
     
    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    Replies: @AP

    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia

    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Didn't Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his "Two movies paradigm" during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

  175. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

  176. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.
     
    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It’s a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that “big government” must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of “big government” being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    I heard that some libertarians became alt-right because they concluded that free-market solutions can't effectively handle the problem of underclass minorities.


    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.
     
    It's like with the busing debate back in the day: It's easy to support busing while sending one's own kids to fancy private schools where the diversity is cherry-picked to only include elite black and Hispanic kids.
    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.

    Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.

    Replies: @Sean

  177. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    • Agree: Matra
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @German_reader

    Why use a missile for a nuke when you can have FedX deliver it right to someone's door? Easy peasy.

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    @AP

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     

    You suspect that Poland would void its Article 5 defense protection of the NATO treaty?

    It seems highly unlikely that Poland will exit NATO by openly attacking Russian forces.


    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.
     
    The burn in rate for fiction is quite amazing.

    The Patriot engagement proved the system quickly consumes 100% of all available interceptors on the launchers ($100-150 million). How often can they do that before they run out.

    No one knows how effective it was. Kiev could not stop conventional warheads from detonating. The Russian warheads still landed in the area, but no one (for or against) can say with credibility what WAS hit.

    Consider that U238 encased fusion warheads are much more durable than their conventional counterparts. The chances of intercepting and in flight disarming a nuclear warhead in near zero. Causing a strategic warhead to explode in the wrong part of Kiev is far short of successful "defense".

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-war

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html

    Replies: @German_reader

  178. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally.

    Well our conservatives don’t want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.

    Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    They really aren’t much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.

    So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?

  179. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don’t do that though because they like the current system.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Everybody likes the current system. Depending on how you look at it:

    I. Money grows on trees
    II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit

    As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!

  180. @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.

    Didn’t Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William

    Only in the same delusional world where Ukraine was conquered a year ago.

  181. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his “Two movies paradigm” during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which “facts” they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  182. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    Why use a missile for a nuke when you can have FedX deliver it right to someone’s door? Easy peasy.

  183. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance
     
    Translation - not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It’s a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don’t target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : “Убей Немца !”, you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian – Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don't think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn't be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable "phobe" because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.


    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
     
    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to "the people" and mocked official demands for accessibility: "I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that's the reason why I have so many readers."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  184. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.

    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe
     
    A gradual decline in USD is:

    • Bad for Globalist Elites.
    • Great for American workers & exporters.

    MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world's "reserve currency" has been detrimental to Main Street America.

    I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new "reserve currency". Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.

    Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin's regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  185. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    You suspect that Poland would void its Article 5 defense protection of the NATO treaty?

    It seems highly unlikely that Poland will exit NATO by openly attacking Russian forces.

    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    The burn in rate for fiction is quite amazing.

    The Patriot engagement proved the system quickly consumes 100% of all available interceptors on the launchers ($100-150 million). How often can they do that before they run out.

    No one knows how effective it was. Kiev could not stop conventional warheads from detonating. The Russian warheads still landed in the area, but no one (for or against) can say with credibility what WAS hit.

    Consider that U238 encased fusion warheads are much more durable than their conventional counterparts. The chances of intercepting and in flight disarming a nuclear warhead in near zero. Causing a strategic warhead to explode in the wrong part of Kiev is far short of successful “defense”.

    PEACE 😇

  186. @Greasy William
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Didn't Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    Replies: @AP

    Only in the same delusional world where Ukraine was conquered a year ago.

  187. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe

    A gradual decline in USD is:

    • Bad for Globalist Elites.
    • Great for American workers & exporters.

    MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world’s “reserve currency” has been detrimental to Main Street America.

    I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new “reserve currency”. Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.

    Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America.

    PEACE 😇

  188. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers 🙂

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers
     
    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    Replies: @AP

  189. @AP
    @German_reader

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

  190. @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless…

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted “some damage” to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles “useless”. Why would anybody believe that?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza
     
    Iron Dome is highly effective against premium Iranian rocket/missile technology used by PIJ and Hamas.

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtvn59-16wx620hpdiwOYLG_EY9NknRscJyps7mhQRsdx963qLZjTQwBKJ3OAkQ7-6BXf3QbP5XBNlHNveIpETssz0mWkOhHDy9X0UgkAdf3-Lfoao4eiKd5qXdOPCmSwwKhsAxeahf0zi8Jph5o3h4Gr5ktA9bAZZHa3eMKHSi9xXhi9l0Q/s4096/FwLb3uaWwAQwfNl.jpg

    Iranian forces killed more Gaza colonists versus indigenous Palestinian Jews. Any solution in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon relies on getting rid of Khamenei's forces. They inevitably bring bloodshed.

    ____

    Of course, Iranian technology is laughable compared to most of the globe, including Russian. So, the 95%+ Iron Dome success rate does not apply to Ukraine. Until we know what was (or was not) destroyed, it is impossible to call a clear victor in the recent exchange.

    The huge question is, "How many interceptors are available to the Kiev regime?" That one engagement consumed a month of output. How long before that supply is exhausted? Even if Patriot is highly effective it can be beaten by running it out of ammo.

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?
     
    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from
     


    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Mikel

  191. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Everybody likes the current system. Depending on how you look at it:

    I. Money grows on trees
    II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit

    As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!

  192. @QCIC
    @AP

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his "Two movies paradigm" during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.
     
    C’mon, man, google is as woke and “progressive” as the craziest inmate in the lunatic asylum. I stopped using it years ago. Google gives you millions of hits, but all politically incorrect ones are given way after one hundred, so that no sane person using google ever sees them. There are relatively honest search engines, such as Duckduckgo (and many others), that are not owned by the same cabal as the US government.
  193. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    C’mon, man, google is as woke and “progressive” as the craziest inmate in the lunatic asylum. I stopped using it years ago. Google gives you millions of hits, but all politically incorrect ones are given way after one hundred, so that no sane person using google ever sees them. There are relatively honest search engines, such as Duckduckgo (and many others), that are not owned by the same cabal as the US government.

  194. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Sean

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    Replies: @Sean

    1. Before the invasion there was a universal expectation that mechanized dashes by either/ any side that managed to concentrate sufficient large formations would be very effective, especially when allied to drones for reconnaissance and artillery spotting. But in practice it has not worked for the Russians despite repeated attempts. What has proven to be crucial is artillery ammunition supply/ transport. We know this because both sides in Bakhmut are complaining that of bottlenecks in the supply of shells. Any mechanized advance that goes forward ten kilometers a day will outrun its logistical train’s ability to supply the self propelled guns for the mass effect bombardments necessary for real fighting, and the defending enemy supply dumps will be getting closer to the point of contact so they will have improved logistics.

    2. I do not think there is any prospect of a nuclear weapon being used because the Russians now know that mobile maneuver warfare does not work and so there will be no big Russian offensive to fall victim to a swift powerful counter-offensive and need to be rescued by Russian detonation of thermonuclear mines to create huge craters in from of the tanks. Other first use of any kind of nukes by Russia is non credible. Unless the entire Russian army runs away. But those guys did not run from the tank

  195. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin’s regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn’t going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.
     
    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  196. Funny thing: I know full well that discussions here are essentially pointless, yet here I am again. Doing mostly molecular biology, I often have waits for an hour or more. When I am done reading/writing/reviewing papers/grants, I want to see what’s going on in the world. This means internet search. Even though some people believe that internet offers endless possibilities, they are in fact rather limited. It’s like cable TV in the US: 200 channels of BS do not offer more options than just one channel of BS.

    There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.

    Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN


    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.
     
    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn't in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...

    🙂

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  197. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza

    Iron Dome is highly effective against premium Iranian rocket/missile technology used by PIJ and Hamas.

    Iranian forces killed more Gaza colonists versus indigenous Palestinian Jews. Any solution in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon relies on getting rid of Khamenei’s forces. They inevitably bring bloodshed.

    ____

    Of course, Iranian technology is laughable compared to most of the globe, including Russian. So, the 95%+ Iron Dome success rate does not apply to Ukraine. Until we know what was (or was not) destroyed, it is impossible to call a clear victor in the recent exchange.

    The huge question is, “How many interceptors are available to the Kiev regime?” That one engagement consumed a month of output. How long before that supply is exhausted? Even if Patriot is highly effective it can be beaten by running it out of ammo.

    PEACE 😇

  198. @AP
    @Beckow

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn’t comparable to mass murder!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that's the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind 'but they were not killed'...but they are gone, that's what the question was about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  199. AP says:
    @Greasy William
    @AP


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers
     
    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    Replies: @AP

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Sean
    @AP

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!


    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
     
    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They'd prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    Replies: @AP

  200. @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    I can't access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    Of course AP doesn't read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    Replies: @AP

  201. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?

    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner's tweets instead? From your own link:


    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail - in their missions and their lies.
     
    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot
     
    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    Replies: @AP

  202. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin's regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN


    In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries
     
    And how do you buy those currencies? Currently, if you want to buy Rubles, you pay in USD or in Euros. India tried to pay in Rupees and was told to GTFO by Russia. Well what about in a world where there is no dollar (and thus no Euro), what do you buy Rubles or Yuan in then? The only option will be gold.

    I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it's inevitable.
  203. A special day for the Arab world.

    Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    , @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

    Replies: @Yahya

  204. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    Replies: @sudden death

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don’t think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to “the people” and mocked official demands for accessibility: “I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that’s the reason why I have so many readers.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?
     
    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don't think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don't think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn't as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won't fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    https://youtu.be/crVHMGQpMT4

    Replies: @sudden death

  205. Nuclear waste weirdo arrested again.

    [MORE]

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html

    Apparently, he wasn’t jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.

    I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    Replies: @songbird

  206. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don't think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn't be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable "phobe" because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.


    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
     
    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to "the people" and mocked official demands for accessibility: "I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that's the reason why I have so many readers."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?

    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don’t think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don’t think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn’t as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won’t fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)
     
    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»
     
    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  207. @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    I can’t access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Replies: @QCIC

  208. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn't comparable to mass murder!

    Replies: @Beckow

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that’s the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind ‘but they were not killed‘…but they are gone, that’s what the question was about.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    They can still help Ukraine by sending Ukraine remittances from abroad.

  209. @songbird
    Nuclear waste weirdo arrested again.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html

    Apparently, he wasn't jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.

    I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    Maybe, they will send him to a women's prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  210. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.
     
    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries

    And how do you buy those currencies? Currently, if you want to buy Rubles, you pay in USD or in Euros. India tried to pay in Rupees and was told to GTFO by Russia. Well what about in a world where there is no dollar (and thus no Euro), what do you buy Rubles or Yuan in then? The only option will be gold.

    I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it’s inevitable.

  211. @AnonfromTN
    Funny thing: I know full well that discussions here are essentially pointless, yet here I am again. Doing mostly molecular biology, I often have waits for an hour or more. When I am done reading/writing/reviewing papers/grants, I want to see what’s going on in the world. This means internet search. Even though some people believe that internet offers endless possibilities, they are in fact rather limited. It’s like cable TV in the US: 200 channels of BS do not offer more options than just one channel of BS.

    There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.

    Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn’t in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…

    🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…
     
    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    Replies: @QCIC

  212. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that's the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind 'but they were not killed'...but they are gone, that's what the question was about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    They can still help Ukraine by sending Ukraine remittances from abroad.

  213. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?
     
    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don't think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don't think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn't as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won't fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    https://youtu.be/crVHMGQpMT4

    Replies: @sudden death

    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)

    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»

    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn't see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn't know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn't have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn't put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:


    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said - "quality of life".

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia - 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.
     
    That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

  214. @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    Of course AP doesn’t read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.
     
    This is a good catch, I hadn’t realized that. Thank you.
  215. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    Replies: @songbird

    Maybe, they will send him to a women’s prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    MSNBC should hire it as an anchor-thing. It doesn't look any worse than R Maddow.

  216. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    I can't access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    Replies: @AP

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    LOL. There are plenty of clowns on all sides.

    Maybe he meant bioweapons? :)

  217. @AP
    @Mikel


    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?
     
    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from
     


    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Mikel

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead? From your own link:

    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail – in their missions and their lies.

    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn’t care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it’s not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS. As for the rest, it’s just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren’t any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot

    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It’s somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead
     
    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS
     
    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

     

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    Replies: @Mikel

  218. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)
     
    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»
     
    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn’t know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn’t have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn’t put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You’re also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:

    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said – “quality of life”.

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia – 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.

    That’s Priannikov again, he’s my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian
     
    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable
     
    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  219. @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I would expect that AI will follow the same moral schema that I assign to the internet in general, “The internet is sometimes convenient but mostly evil.” I always love the baffled looks I get for that one in conversation!

    Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like “ethical porn”.

    Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that “ethical porn” was bad for people’s sex lives and relationships.

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you!

    • LOL: QCIC
  220. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner's tweets instead? From your own link:


    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail - in their missions and their lies.
     
    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot
     
    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    Replies: @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead

    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS

    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.
     
    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    Replies: @AP

  221. @songbird
    @QCIC

    Maybe, they will send him to a women's prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    MSNBC should hire it as an anchor-thing. It doesn’t look any worse than R Maddow.

    • Agree: songbird
  222. Battle of the Nations
    Latvia Kazakhstan

  223. Is it true that chickenpox was nearly as fatal as smallpox to Australian Abos? Seems hard to believe.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I wouldn't expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn't surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...


    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    Replies: @songbird

  224. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    Of course AP doesn't read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    Replies: @AP

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    This is a good catch, I hadn’t realized that. Thank you.

  225. @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN


    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.
     
    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn't in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...

    🙂

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…

    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Great quote from AnonfromTN


    In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.
     
  226. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn't see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn't know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn't have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn't put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:


    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said - "quality of life".

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia - 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.
     
    That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian

    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable

    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Ok, we have discussed this many times and I don't want to start this debate again. I know that you are an unrelenting debater, and I know that I will rapidly lose interest.

    I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.

    🙂

  227. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I’m definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn’t pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or “quantum entanglement” between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don’t see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don’t seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn’t even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don’t get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don’t exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won’t hesitate to take the pill.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Thanks for the reply. I'll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.


    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.
     
    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven't categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    Replies: @Mikel

  228. @songbird
    Is it true that chickenpox was nearly as fatal as smallpox to Australian Abos? Seems hard to believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I wouldn’t expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn’t surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well…

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    Hadn't been thinking about age at all. Might be a big factor with pregnant women.

    Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.

    It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren't so specific but are more generalist.

  229. @AP
    @Mikel


    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead
     
    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS
     
    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

     

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    Replies: @Mikel

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.

    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    Replies: @Mikel

  230. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.
     
    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    Replies: @AP

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 
     
    OK. And why should I believe that you've had access to all that privileged information?

    Replies: @AP

  231. @AP
    @QCIC

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Replies: @QCIC

    LOL. There are plenty of clowns on all sides.

    Maybe he meant bioweapons? 🙂

  232. @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…
     
    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Great quote from AnonfromTN

    In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  233. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian
     
    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable
     
    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Ok, we have discussed this many times and I don’t want to start this debate again. I know that you are an unrelenting debater, and I know that I will rapidly lose interest.

    I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.

    🙂

  234. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'm sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At least he's trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  235. Coyote range by decade

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
  236. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    To be honest, I don't listen to Kitaro's music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It's still magical to this day, and he's certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to "Tojiki' and of course his ground breaking "Silk Road", you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The internet is the postmodern Silk Road.

  237. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

    Thanks for the reply. I’ll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.

    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.

    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven’t categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don’t worry though, I wasn’t swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn’t have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren’t inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn’t about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can’t seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I’m not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can’t be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I’m not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I’ve come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn’t have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Good points on IVF. To be honest, I hadn't thought about them. All I know is that couples that discover that they are infertile often go through a lot of anxiety. Their revealed preference shows that in general human nature leads people to try the closest thing to what's natural: getting pregnant and continuing their genetic lineage. Reasonable aspirations, as far as I'm concerned, but I also respect your point of view and no longer consider it radical, now that you've explained it.

    As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it's prohibitively expensive, which most likely won't be the case. Not for long anyway.

  238. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    I’m sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it’s the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom’s cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it’s got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa


    Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society from any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
     
    True. It's like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  239. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'm sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society from any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    True. It’s like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    If technology has been a self driving rationale by default thus far it really makes you wonder what happens if AI gives that process some measure of agency.

    The notion sure doesn't float my boat.

  240. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian’s books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I’ll read Ronald Syme’s “The Roman Revolution” fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic… yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I’ve never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you'll forgive me, if I'm not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don't think Russia's invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it "evil" and "criminal", to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history...) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians...apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
    Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  241. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Thanks for the reply. I'll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.


    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.
     
    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven't categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Good points on IVF. To be honest, I hadn’t thought about them. All I know is that couples that discover that they are infertile often go through a lot of anxiety. Their revealed preference shows that in general human nature leads people to try the closest thing to what’s natural: getting pregnant and continuing their genetic lineage. Reasonable aspirations, as far as I’m concerned, but I also respect your point of view and no longer consider it radical, now that you’ve explained it.

    As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it’s prohibitively expensive, which most likely won’t be the case. Not for long anyway.

  242. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    At least he’s trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Kurzweil ?

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

  243. @AP
    @Mikel

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 

    OK. And why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

  244. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At least he's trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, that one.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Or there is always this guy.

    https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

    His process sounds like an utter miserable pain in the ass. I think you would have to exceptionally neurotic to undertake such a regimen.

    Replies: @RSDB

  245. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Kurzweil ?

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    Yes, that one.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    There is a photo on the web of Clinton giving him a medal.

    https://www.kurzweiltech.com/images/ray_medal2.jpg

    His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.

  246. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 
     
    OK. And why should I believe that you've had access to all that privileged information?

    Replies: @AP

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

  247. US Government-Kiev Regime Corruption

    Re: Below May 19 Andrew Napolitano-Tony Shaffer Discussion on the US Military Industrial Complex and Why the F-16s to Ukraine are Another Flop

    The below segment pertains to the citizens of leading Western countries who are increasingly being told that there’s limited government funding for domestic concerns.

    The US outspends the next seven-eleven leading nations in defense spending combined. Five of the ten leading defense spenders (US included) are NATO members. Russia has regularly ranked between four and six in defense spending. Yet Russia appears to produce artillery shells and tanks at a much better rate than what the collective West can give to the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Another good discussion on the subject well worth viewing:

  248. Forwarded to my attention –

    In the same note, this came with the following –

    An excellent summary of what the heck happened this week in the global balance of power between missile defense shields and hypersonic/high Mach supersonic arrows and why Khinzals are harder to track as they corkscrew upon reentry into the stratosphere via radar than infrared here:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

  249. @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    …One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 – that’s how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That’s what you do since you can’t live with reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945
     
    No, it’s saying that a component had minor damage that was quickly repaired.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission
     
    Is that why when harassing the city of Kiev, Russia switched to using drones (which Patriot isn’t for) , after its failed missile barrage?



    https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1659835464478498816?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
  250. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    I heard that some libertarians became alt-right because they concluded that free-market solutions can’t effectively handle the problem of underclass minorities.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    It’s like with the busing debate back in the day: It’s easy to support busing while sending one’s own kids to fancy private schools where the diversity is cherry-picked to only include elite black and Hispanic kids.

  251. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century’s taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!
     
    The Polish Home Army didn't coordinate their attack with the Red Army, which was quite stupid, given the latter had to strategically consider such a prompt supporting move with other matters at that point in time. When it initially appeared that it was winning, there was pro-Polish Home Army propaganda claiming the Red Army wasn't really needed.
    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

  252. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    I can get ChatGPT to write me interesting stories about Hester Prynne getting married to a eunuch who had a sexual fetish for her scarlet letter. Is that not something?

  253. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    The Polish Home Army didn’t coordinate their attack with the Red Army, which was quite stupid, given the latter had to strategically consider such a prompt supporting move with other matters at that point in time. When it initially appeared that it was winning, there was pro-Polish Home Army propaganda claiming the Red Army wasn’t really needed.

  254. Zlatti71
    @djuric_zlatko
    Military Watch Magazine not only admits that the Russian Kinnzhal hypersonic missile disabled one of the two US Patriot batteries supplied to Kiev on May 16, less than a month after it was put on combat duty, but also writes that the second battery will meet the same fate in the near future.

    However, one may disagree with the publication on the last point. The second battery has a chance to survive. The Americans have already ordered its de-alerting and removal from firing positions until “further orders”. Experts believe that further orders will be to evacuate it from Ukraine.

    #source

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    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"

    It looks like it’s from Iran:



    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    Replies: @QCIC

  255. Don Huntsberger
    @DHuntsberger
    Another US wonder weapon apparently taken out. What arrogance for anyone to believe that they are not vulnerable, just as tanks, HIMARS, etc. Now the whine is about F16s, not invincible, neither are the F35s.
    11:35 PM · May 19, 2023
    ·

    [MORE]

  256. @Matra
    @QCIC

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan's relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Selective memory is amazing thing – not only first Reagan term forgotten, but very easy to ignore that US supplied the guns all the time then against invading Soviet army;)

    He even escalated it more in 1986 IIRC with providing Stingers, which negated local Soviet air superiority and was one of the causes, along with financial Soviet shortages due to Western sanctions and oil price slide, which forced to remove Soviet troops from USSR neighbouring Afghanistan in 1988.

  257. @Yahya
    A special day for the Arab world.

    Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.



    https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1659633248643760142?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    It would be funny to see these two in the octagon with their shirts off. Have you seen that Vice video where the reporter goes to Andrew Tate's estate and Tate puts him in the octagon for one of his cult zombies to smack around?

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Blockbuster worldtour;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230520/ARTICLE/230529978/AR/0/AR-230529978.jpg

  258. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-war

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html

    Replies: @German_reader

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you’ll forgive me, if I’m not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it “evil” and “criminal”, to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history…) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians…apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven’t read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn’t find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven’t forgotten about it.
    Can’t comment much on Livy tbh, I think I’ve only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You’re probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I’ve always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you’ve also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games…too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    Replies: @songbird

  259. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    Zlatti71
    @djuric_zlatko
    Military Watch Magazine not only admits that the Russian Kinnzhal hypersonic missile disabled one of the two US Patriot batteries supplied to Kiev on May 16, less than a month after it was put on combat duty, but also writes that the second battery will meet the same fate in the near future.

    However, one may disagree with the publication on the last point. The second battery has a chance to survive. The Americans have already ordered its de-alerting and removal from firing positions until "further orders". Experts believe that further orders will be to evacuate it from Ukraine.

    #source

    Join Slavyangrad chat. Your opinion matters.
    https://t.me/+B6ixfOM5VkxhODQx
     


    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1659514236018601985

    @Slavyangrad

    Join SLG 🔺 Intelligence Briefings, Strategy and Analysis, Expert Community

    Replies: @AP

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There’s no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it’s some Indian guy’s blog presented as a “magazine”

    It looks like it’s from Iran:

    [MORE]

    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it’s up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command’s output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it’s often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 – 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site’s rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the “magazine” ranks highest. It’s categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    Replies: @AP

  260. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945

    No, it’s saying that a component had minor damage that was quickly repaired.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission

    Is that why when harassing the city of Kiev, Russia switched to using drones (which Patriot isn’t for) , after its failed missile barrage?

    [MORE]

  261. Karlin, you’re a dumb faggot.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

  262. German_reader says:
    @Sher Singh
    Karlin, you're a dumb faggot.

    https://imgur.com/a/003HGC1

    Replies: @German_reader

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don’t think there’s much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn’t ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That’s Karlin’s status now.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bZBWanhRg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Neopronouns: Veggie/grill/barbecue

    lol!

  263. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?

    It was in the Theiner video
    …Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm…. Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123


    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor
     
    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

  264. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!

    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They’d prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. The ground is still muddy though. The longer the delay, the larger the trained and well- equipped the Ukrainian force becomes. While Russia is atritted at an unfavorable rate in Bakhmut.

    How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?
     
    Does giving Himars suggest that Ukraine lost the Battle of Kiev?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.
     
    That remains to be seen.

    They also have a rather huge front manned by a force that is light enough that the Ukrainians can maneuver around it. We'll se how complex and effective those fortifications are, I suppose.

    I give the Ukrainians a 50/50 chance of seizing the Crimean corridor by the end of the season.

  265. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, that one.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a photo on the web of Clinton giving him a medal.

    His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.

  266. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    It would be funny to see these two in the octagon with their shirts off. Have you seen that Vice video where the reporter goes to Andrew Tate’s estate and Tate puts him in the octagon for one of his cult zombies to smack around?

  267. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    They should take him to NEOM.

    Replies: @QCIC

  268. @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
     
    Yeah, just a bunch of stupid rightoids. While he's apparently part of "elite human capital".
    Sure thing.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Of course Tolik thinks we are dumb. And that's okay with me. I ain't getting smarter because people think that I am smart and neither am I getting dumber because people think that I am dumb. People's subjective opinions are mostly misguided and irrelevant anyway. What is important is whether anyone of us, Tolik included, is capable of confronting our own biases and limitations. Doing this makes us better people, doing otherwise makes us worse.

  269. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @Mikhail

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"

    It looks like it’s from Iran:



    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    Replies: @QCIC

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    Well, the sources that claim the Patriot system was partially or completely destroyed include a blogger who claimed that Russian would conquer Ukraine soon (in February) and that Ukraine regularly uses chemical weapons, a shady Iranian source, and the Russian MOD. These are no more credible than claims by the Ukrainian MOD. And the only proof of those claims is a doctored video.

    In terms of actions - if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.

    Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.

  270. German_reader says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    Yeah, just a bunch of stupid rightoids. While he’s apparently part of “elite human capital”.
    Sure thing.

  271. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    They should take him to NEOM.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Will that be a good place for him to show off his dance moves?

  272. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Of course Tolik thinks we are dumb. And that’s okay with me. I ain’t getting smarter because people think that I am smart and neither am I getting dumber because people think that I am dumb. People’s subjective opinions are mostly misguided and irrelevant anyway. What is important is whether anyone of us, Tolik included, is capable of confronting our own biases and limitations. Doing this makes us better people, doing otherwise makes us worse.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  273. Supposedly, only 34% of female college students in China ever want children.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @songbird

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  274. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I wouldn't expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn't surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...


    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    Replies: @songbird

    Hadn’t been thinking about age at all. Might be a big factor with pregnant women.

    Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.

    It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren’t so specific but are more generalist.

  275. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    They should take him to NEOM.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Will that be a good place for him to show off his dance moves?

  276. @songbird
    Supposedly, only 34% of female college students in China ever want children.
    https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1659585940895981568?s=20

    Replies: @Greasy William

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Greasy William


    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour
     
    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    LOL. Either it's your problem or your nephews aren't being raised correctly to non-obnoxious kiddos.

    Done properly kids are awesome, and I can say this as someone who has 5 of them.


    children are gay, imo
     
    Spoiled kids may be gay since they make people not want to reproduce.

    Properly raised kids are the opposite. I've actually had multiple people tell me that being around my kids has made them want kids, which is the opposite of gay.

    I kind of feel bad for seeming like I'm bragging, but I have to set the record straight here!

    In honesty, other people's kids sometime make me want to smack them upside the head and then chew the parents out. Operator error is too common in raising small humans.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  277. AP says:
    @QCIC
    @AP

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, the sources that claim the Patriot system was partially or completely destroyed include a blogger who claimed that Russian would conquer Ukraine soon (in February) and that Ukraine regularly uses chemical weapons, a shady Iranian source, and the Russian MOD. These are no more credible than claims by the Ukrainian MOD. And the only proof of those claims is a doctored video.

    In terms of actions – if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.

    Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  278. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!


    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
     
    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They'd prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    Replies: @AP

    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024.

    Maybe, maybe not. The ground is still muddy though. The longer the delay, the larger the trained and well- equipped the Ukrainian force becomes. While Russia is atritted at an unfavorable rate in Bakhmut.

    How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Does giving Himars suggest that Ukraine lost the Battle of Kiev?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    That remains to be seen.

    They also have a rather huge front manned by a force that is light enough that the Ukrainians can maneuver around it. We’ll se how complex and effective those fortifications are, I suppose.

    I give the Ukrainians a 50/50 chance of seizing the Crimean corridor by the end of the season.

  279. AP says:
    @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to “test” the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn’t work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That’s what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:


    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

     

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.
     
    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

  280. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    …Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944

    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don’t expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up – and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Might be seen as a golden age once the Negritude hits Warsaw.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
     
    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  281. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @A123


    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor
     
    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    Replies: @A123

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.

    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123

    We don't know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has stockpiled. Apparently at least enough for that barrage and then some, Moscow isn't sending more Kinzhals or others into Kiev. It was instead sending them to places like Odessa that aren't covered by a Patriot battery.

  282. Sean says:

    So we are being told where and when. Obvious to me this is a scare tactic. In my opinion the Ukrainians want to stop the Russian front line troops being rotated out, thereby eroding their effectiveness. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting all this great training in combined arms maneuver warfare and the new Western arms deliveries. Yet in war the measure is relative power; with all this time the Russians are being given the dragon’s teeth may be quite well built.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.


    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.



    A ship or a freighter etc.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  283. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Might be seen as a golden age once the Negritude hits Warsaw.

  284. @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you'll forgive me, if I'm not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don't think Russia's invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it "evil" and "criminal", to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history...) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians...apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
    Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn't seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can't find a book.

    https://youtu.be/1O3NVRlbnSY

    Replies: @German_reader

  285. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    Replies: @songbird

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn’t seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can’t find a book.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths.
     
    Are there actually even any Roman myths in the sense the Greeks had? I can't think of any (unless you count Aneas and the Roman foundation myth), it's mostly quasi-historical stories from the time of the kings and the early to mid-Republic (Horatius at the bridge etc.).
    Don't know what the current consensus on archaic Roman religion is, iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods. In any case there was strong Greek influence from quite early on.

    @Wokechoke: thanks for the movie recommendation!

    Replies: @songbird

  286. @Greasy William
    @songbird

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @songbird

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  287. @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)

    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can’t explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    What's so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvw

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos
     
    What was inaccurate there?

    Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don't want to engage in further acts of futility.

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?

    Replies: @QCIC

  288. @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    What’s so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikhail

    https://static.rusi.org/403-SR-Russian-Tactics-web-final.pdf

  289. @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”. The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    ROTFLMAO


    this top-notch system [Iron Dome] hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”.
     
    Iron Dome effectively countered top notch Iranian guidance packages delivered to their proxies, such Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ]. These systems were rendered almost "entirely useless". 1,500 high tech Iranian weapons were launched from Gaza. ~300 fell short killing at least 4 Muslim colonists, including 1 child. At the same time Iron Dome was so effective at countering the air threat, only 1 Palestinian Jew was killed.

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtvn59-16wx620hpdiwOYLG_EY9NknRscJyps7mhQRsdx963qLZjTQwBKJ3OAkQ7-6BXf3QbP5XBNlHNveIpETssz0mWkOhHDy9X0UgkAdf3-Lfoao4eiKd5qXdOPCmSwwKhsAxeahf0zi8Jph5o3h4Gr5ktA9bAZZHa3eMKHSi9xXhi9l0Q/s4096/FwLb3uaWwAQwfNl.jpg
     

    I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.

    The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) -- Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
    ____

    Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?

    I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden's campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.
     
    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn't affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.
     
    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    "On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    "In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away."

    Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split

    (China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)

    Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.

    The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine's Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  290. @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    What's so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvw

    Replies: @Sean

  291. @Sean
    So we are being told where and when. Obvious to me this is a scare tactic. In my opinion the Ukrainians want to stop the Russian front line troops being rotated out, thereby eroding their effectiveness. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting all this great training in combined arms maneuver warfare and the new Western arms deliveries. Yet in war the measure is relative power; with all this time the Russians are being given the dragon's teeth may be quite well built.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p08mt3g2.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.

    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.

    A ship or a freighter etc.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't think China is planning to move until the 2030's

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  292. @songbird
    @Greasy William


    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour
     
    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Children do not smoke, do not drink, and some of them have psychic powers. Everybody has their plusses/minuses. Negroes are good at basketball.

  293. @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.


    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.



    A ship or a freighter etc.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I don’t think China is planning to move until the 2030’s

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    G7 meeting Japanese statement…they sound fucking nervous.

  294. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't think China is planning to move until the 2030's

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    G7 meeting Japanese statement…they sound fucking nervous.

  295. @Greasy William
    @songbird

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Children do not smoke, do not drink, and some of them have psychic powers. Everybody has their plusses/minuses. Negroes are good at basketball.

  296. Recently was curious about what happens to mosquitos when you slap them and miss and only get one leg, and they fly off.

    This seems to suggest that they can still bite and lay eggs.

  297. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn’t, had you been a Pole.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    In a scenario where the Poles would have allied with the Nazis against the Soviets, the Soviets could have also blamed the Anglo-French for not supporting them. But Yeah, a sin of omission is less bad than a sin of commission.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    The Poles did side with the Germans over the Czechoslovakia question. If the Poles had been adults they may have even granted the USSR passage through to the Czechs to deter Germany. Jackal like behavior.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.
     
    You are lying now. You directly stated that "Russians should be grateful that Poles didn't join the Germans in exterminating them". In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened - Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in 'what-if' history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn't change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don't come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  298. @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos

    What was inaccurate there?

    Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility.

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Wait and see. I think Russia is gradually turning up the heat on Kiev to promote regime change. It seems they have a long way to go, but who knows what intrigues happen in the dark corridors of the palace?

    The information control in this War is amazing. We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot. We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job. A few were obvious duds, but the Ukrainians will say who cares, we got the Kinzhals. I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what? So we have to wait, maybe someone will tell us the truth someday.

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground. I saw a few pictures of several dud PAC-3 missiles, but nothing else. I don't look at Ukrainian and Russian feeds, so what have others seen? Are these feeds blocked in Western countries? Are we now like New Zealand where the government made it illegal to download the video or something equally bad?

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123

  299. @A123
    @AP

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:


    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

     

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.
     
    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    We don’t know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has stockpiled. Apparently at least enough for that barrage and then some, Moscow isn’t sending more Kinzhals or others into Kiev. It was instead sending them to places like Odessa that aren’t covered by a Patriot battery.

  300. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.

    Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    Working class organisation of yesteryears meant they could get pay rises greater than inflation. Meanwhile the middle class held wealth as bank deposits ECT that were eaten away by inflation. Currently the affluent hold their wealth as property and assets while the workers have lost their unions and are vulnerable to a rocketing cost of living

  301. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    ROTFLMAO

    this top-notch system [Iron Dome] hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”.

    Iron Dome effectively countered top notch Iranian guidance packages delivered to their proxies, such Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ]. These systems were rendered almost “entirely useless”. 1,500 high tech Iranian weapons were launched from Gaza. ~300 fell short killing at least 4 Muslim colonists, including 1 child. At the same time Iron Dome was so effective at countering the air threat, only 1 Palestinian Jew was killed.

      

    I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.

    The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) — Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
    ____

    Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?

    I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden’s campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.

    PEACE 😇

  302. The fateful G7 meeting.

    Agenda by the numbers…

    1. Russia
    2. China

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit

    3. Vaccines…

    There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

  303. @Wokechoke
    The fateful G7 meeting.

    Agenda by the numbers…


    1. Russia
    2. China

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit

    3. Vaccines…


    There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The fateful G7 meeting.

    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60

    Could be the wrong article but…

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime.
     
    Who is the Godfather -- Scholz? Or, Macron?

    Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him... Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  304. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60

    Could be the wrong article but…

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.
     
    Ukies are terrorists, but they are ham-handed terrorists: succeed once in ten tries. They did blow up rails in one place in Crimea, but the line was repaired within a few hours and trains move on it again. They try to compensate by fakes: if you read Ukie sources, they perpetrate several successful terrorists acts daily. Their propaganda outfit usually “illustrates” these fakes with pics from long ago, often from different places. Naturally, their fakes are debunked pretty quickly, but they keep faking. Well, criminal dreams are less harmful than actual criminal acts.
  305. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.

    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn’t affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides’ claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn’t made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    “On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army’s 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system’s handling of timestamps”

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    “In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away.”

    Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split

    (China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)

    Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.

    The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine’s Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    This sounds a little bit like the superiority of Flaktowers in Berlin vs Lancaster Bombers dropping incendiary bombs. Yeah the 88 was good but who is getting burned out of city after city?

  306. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime.

    Who is the Godfather — Scholz? Or, Macron?

    Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him… Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Who is the Godfather
     
    Godfather is the puppeteers of Alzheimer-in-Chief. No matter how hard you pretend, this is common knowledge.

    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    Replies: @A123

  307. @AP
    @Mikel


    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.
     
    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn't affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.
     
    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    "On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    "In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away."

    Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split

    (China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)

    Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.

    The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine's Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    This sounds a little bit like the superiority of Flaktowers in Berlin vs Lancaster Bombers dropping incendiary bombs. Yeah the 88 was good but who is getting burned out of city after city?

  308. @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60

    Could be the wrong article but…

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    Ukies are terrorists, but they are ham-handed terrorists: succeed once in ten tries. They did blow up rails in one place in Crimea, but the line was repaired within a few hours and trains move on it again. They try to compensate by fakes: if you read Ukie sources, they perpetrate several successful terrorists acts daily. Their propaganda outfit usually “illustrates” these fakes with pics from long ago, often from different places. Naturally, their fakes are debunked pretty quickly, but they keep faking. Well, criminal dreams are less harmful than actual criminal acts.

  309. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime.
     
    Who is the Godfather -- Scholz? Or, Macron?

    Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him... Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Who is the Godfather

    Godfather is the puppeteers of Alzheimer-in-Chief. No matter how hard you pretend, this is common knowledge.

    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.
     
    They are both giants compared to the Veggie-in-Chief. He is confused on how to walk in a straight line: (1)

    VIDEO below [MORE]

    Ask yourself, is watching Biden get lost in public again really worth the time and money being spent to attend this pointless exercise? Has anything of substance come out of the G7 in the last decade?

    In the video, all the other world leaders have no problem ascertaining which direction to exit the photo op. Heck, Biden is in the center of the group, so he’s even got the cheat code of being able to simply follow everyone else. Yet, he still somehow manages to get turned around and jam up the line before having to be shown the right way to go.

    I mean come on, I know it’s not a big thing in a vacuum, but we don’t live in a vacuum. Biden continually gets lost in public, specifically when trying to exit any kind of stage environment. How does he find that entire process so complicated? What’s the big hang-up for him? That’s a question we all know the answer to, even if the mainstream press is too in the tank to say it.
     
    It is clear that the occupied White House is being run by anti-American interests.

    • What nations are pulling his strings?
    • Or, are you suggesting the Godfather is the EU's Ursula von der Leyen?
    • Perhaps, Islamophile Klaus Schwab, head of the anti-Semitic WEF?

    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden's strings.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/05/20/joe-biden-gets-lost-again-tells-reporter-to-shush-up-before-incoherent-rant-on-the-debt-ceiling-n749037



    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1659945973504782336?s=20

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN

  310. @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

    ਅਕਾਲ

  311. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Who is the Godfather
     
    Godfather is the puppeteers of Alzheimer-in-Chief. No matter how hard you pretend, this is common knowledge.

    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    Replies: @A123

    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

    They are both giants compared to the Veggie-in-Chief. He is confused on how to walk in a straight line: (1)

    VIDEO below [MORE]

    Ask yourself, is watching Biden get lost in public again really worth the time and money being spent to attend this pointless exercise? Has anything of substance come out of the G7 in the last decade?

    In the video, all the other world leaders have no problem ascertaining which direction to exit the photo op. Heck, Biden is in the center of the group, so he’s even got the cheat code of being able to simply follow everyone else. Yet, he still somehow manages to get turned around and jam up the line before having to be shown the right way to go.

    I mean come on, I know it’s not a big thing in a vacuum, but we don’t live in a vacuum. Biden continually gets lost in public, specifically when trying to exit any kind of stage environment. How does he find that entire process so complicated? What’s the big hang-up for him? That’s a question we all know the answer to, even if the mainstream press is too in the tank to say it.

    It is clear that the occupied White House is being run by anti-American interests.

    • What nations are pulling his strings?
    • Or, are you suggesting the Godfather is the EU’s Ursula von der Leyen?
    • Perhaps, Islamophile Klaus Schwab, head of the anti-Semitic WEF?

    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden’s strings.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/05/20/joe-biden-gets-lost-again-tells-reporter-to-shush-up-before-incoherent-rant-on-the-debt-ceiling-n749037

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The law firm of Blinken Nuland and Sullivan…by cohencidence.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden’s strings.
     
    To keep your pretense, you are barking up the wrong tree. The puppet is operated by the same cabal that got this demented half-corpse into the White house by large scale fraud in 2020. Biden himself is irrelevant, he does not even remember when he peed last time.

    The real tragedy of the US is not even that his puppeteers are stupid, but that they are psychopaths ruining the country and the whole imperial patch with it.
  312. I don’t make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe.
     
    Then why are Delhi girls hitting on the Khalsa?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KMIn1_K3cy8

    A man's obligation is to fight and die.

    ਅਕਾਲ


    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/call-to-arms-by-guru-gobind-singh-ji

    ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ - ਰੁਤ ੩, ਅਧਿਾਇ ੨੩

    Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth - Rut 3, Chapter 23

    ਯਾਂਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।

    The Guru then said to his Sikhs, "All of the Khalsa should listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.


    ਜਬਿ ਹਮਰੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਆਵਹੁ । ਬਨਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਤਨ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਜਾਵਹੁ ।।੭।।

    When you come to have my Darshan, adorn your body with weapons.


    ਕਮਰ ਕਸਾ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਿਖਾਈ । ਹਮਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਇ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।

    When showing yourself to me have your Kamar Kasa [waist band which holds weapons] tied, in such a way I shall be extremely happy.


    ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਉ ਲਖਹੁ ਨਰ । ਕੇਸ ਧਰੇ ਤਬਿ ਆਧੋ ਲਖਿ ਉਰ ।।੮।।

    Those men who do not have Kesh [unshorn hair] or Shastars [weapons], do not recognize those men as full men. Those who have Kesh [unshorn hair], recognize those as half-men.


    ਕੇਸ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਜਬਿ ਦੋਨਹੁਂ ਧਾਰੇ । ਤਬਿ ਨਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੇ ।

    Those who have adorned themselves with Kesh [unshorn hair] and Shastar [weapons], those men have attained their full form."


    ਅਸ ਉਪਦੇਸ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਕਰਿ । ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਪਰਸਤਿ ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿ ਧਰਿ ।।੯।।

    After listening to this discourse by the Guru, Sikhs would come to the Guru adorning various weapons.


    ਸਿੰਘ ਰੂਪ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਨ ਜੁਤਿ ਹੇਰੈਂ । ਹੋਤਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਬਡੇਰੈ ।

    The appearance of a Singh [is complete] with weapons, when the Guru see's this He becomes extremely happy.


    ਕਮਰ ਕਸੇ ਬਿਨ ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਜਾਇ । ਤਿਸ ਪਰ ਰੁਖ ਨਹਿ ਕਰੈਂ ਕਦਾਇ ।।੧੦।।

    Those Sikhs who went towards the Guru without wearing a Kamarkasa [waist band which holds weapons], the Guru would never look towards them.
     
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They're a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.

    I also enjoyed your articles on economic growth, military power, and history.


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing.
     
    Even had Russia won in Ukraine, much of Ukraine's elite human capital would have probably moved to the West (or to whatever would have remained of free Ukraine, if they were especially patriotic, and if anything actually remained of free Ukraine) due to the fact that in Ukraine, unlike in other countries, increased nationalism is correlated with higher IQ. Russia would have thus been primarily left with the lower-IQ sovoks and pensioners.

    This is why I'm skeptical that conquering all of Novorossiya back in 2014 would have been a good idea:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-ukraine-iq/

    It would have destroyed relations with the West much more and would have only secured Ukraine's lower-human capital areas for Russia, areas which could have subsequently experienced brain drain if the West would have still opened its doors wide open to Ukrainian refugees (and at least Poland and other Eastern European countries would have, I suspect). The only part of Novorossiya that has a reasonably high average IQ is Kharkiv.

    BTW, worth noting that southern Ukrainians, unlike eastern Ukrainians, significantly soured on Russia even right after Crimea, on the eve of the war in the Donbass:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=347&page=79

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=83

    Compare with the data for there pre-Crimea:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=236&page=84

    So, the bump in Russian support in southern Ukraine in the event of a Russian conquest of it in 2014 would have likely started from a lower base.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Pocket1

    , @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).
     
    Wizard powers unlocked (no mean feat in Russia)
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Off-topic, but here's an alternate history question for you, AK: In the event that the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs) succeed in gaining power in Russia in 1917 instead of the Bolsheviks (like the Russian voters themselves actually wanted), what are the odds that Russia will eventually go to war with Japan, such as in the 1930s or 1940s, in order to drive Japan out of China in response to the likely huge outrage that mass Japanese atrocities in China are going to generate in Russia?

    Think of outrage similar to the one that developed in the US on the eve of the Spanish-American War back in 1898, which helped pave the way for the US's entry into that war:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Remember_the_Maine%21_And_Don%27t_Forget_the_Starving_Cubans%21_-_Victor_Gillam_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sher Singh is pretty whacko but he is absolutely correct about this part. If you do a bunch of dead lifts and squats and presses your testes will kick in again. Live!

    Time is finite.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle
     
    That's just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin's Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity. It's just a not very efficient personal rule whose proponents are obsessed with great power status and competition with the West, same as Russia always was. Granted, this is now more obvious than it was before the war in Ukraine, but even before it's not like Putin was ever able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
    And your main mistake wasn't so much hanging out with "rightoids", but absurd cheerleading for a war that has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Which you could have known was a real risk, but your wishful thinking and imperial power fantasy larping overwhelmed your critical thinking skills.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).
     
    That's seriously depressing, doesn't sound happy at all. Hopefully you'll find a way out of this mental malaise again.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  313. Sher Singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe.

    Then why are Delhi girls hitting on the Khalsa?

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KMIn1_K3cy8

    A man’s obligation is to fight and die.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    [MORE]

    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/call-to-arms-by-guru-gobind-singh-ji

    ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ – ਰੁਤ ੩, ਅਧਿਾਇ ੨੩

    Gurpratap Suraj Prakash Granth – Rut 3, Chapter 23

    ਯਾਂਤੇ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ ।

    The Guru then said to his Sikhs, “All of the Khalsa should listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action.

    ਜਬਿ ਹਮਰੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੋ ਆਵਹੁ । ਬਨਿ ਸੁਚੇਤ ਤਨ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਜਾਵਹੁ ।।੭।।

    When you come to have my Darshan, adorn your body with weapons.

    ਕਮਰ ਕਸਾ ਕਰਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਦਿਖਾਈ । ਹਮਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਹੋਇ ਅਧਿਕਾਈ ।

    When showing yourself to me have your Kamar Kasa [waist band which holds weapons] tied, in such a way I shall be extremely happy.

    ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਕੇਸ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਉ ਲਖਹੁ ਨਰ । ਕੇਸ ਧਰੇ ਤਬਿ ਆਧੋ ਲਖਿ ਉਰ ।।੮।।

    Those men who do not have Kesh [unshorn hair] or Shastars [weapons], do not recognize those men as full men. Those who have Kesh [unshorn hair], recognize those as half-men.

    ਕੇਸ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰ ਜਬਿ ਦੋਨਹੁਂ ਧਾਰੇ । ਤਬਿ ਨਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਹੋਤਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਰੇ ।

    Those who have adorned themselves with Kesh [unshorn hair] and Shastar [weapons], those men have attained their full form.”

    ਅਸ ਉਪਦੇਸ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਕਰਿ । ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਪਰਸਤਿ ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿ ਧਰਿ ।।੯।।

    After listening to this discourse by the Guru, Sikhs would come to the Guru adorning various weapons.

    ਸਿੰਘ ਰੂਪ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਨ ਜੁਤਿ ਹੇਰੈਂ । ਹੋਤਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਬਡੇਰੈ ।

    The appearance of a Singh [is complete] with weapons, when the Guru see’s this He becomes extremely happy.

    ਕਮਰ ਕਸੇ ਬਿਨ ਜੋ ਸਿਖ ਜਾਇ । ਤਿਸ ਪਰ ਰੁਖ ਨਹਿ ਕਰੈਂ ਕਦਾਇ ।।੧੦।।

    Those Sikhs who went towards the Guru without wearing a Kamarkasa [waist band which holds weapons], the Guru would never look towards them.

  314. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    Blockbuster worldtour;)

  315. Sher Singh says:

    “A Gay neither mounts a steed (woman) nor does he rise in battle” – Suraj Prakash Granth

    The Singh further states – A faggot will desire peace – say my affairs in order, let’s stay peaceful.

    No desire to further his aims, ambitions or tribe – Unarmed, peaceful man = FAGGOT

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    I had no idea that India was so homophobic. I always regarded homophobia as a Christian thing

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

  316. @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

    Neopronouns: Veggie/grill/barbecue

    lol!

  317. Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can’t make this up.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can’t make this up.

     

    The two are not comparable and should not be mentioned in the same phrase. One can point out many mistakes that McGregor makes. Theiner overall has been much more accurate in his predictions and claims. But he is predicting a successful Ukrainian offensive, so we will see if he holds up.

    You are avoiding the questions I asked you.

    Not only about what was inaccurate in Theiner's interview, but also:

    Did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility. Right?

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate that the Patriot system no longer works and therefore the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage and Russian faith in their missiles against it?

    If Patriot still exists and Russians have given up on attacking Kiev with missiles, it means Theiner was right as usual.

    BTW the guy is not just a twitter personality or blogger, he gets quoted in various sources:

    https://news.yahoo.com/how-did-ukraine-strike-deep-inside-russian-occupied-crimea-193926506.html

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Matra
    @Mikel

    It's interesting how similar the mindset is between Russians and Ukrainians along with their non-Slavic Western partisans. The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.

    BTW I wonder if AK's re-branding is because he is planning on returning to California or the UK or whatever country he has citizenship in. Renouncing the views his name is attached to and coming out as a Rightoid-hating social liberal might be worth a try if that is what he is planning.

    Replies: @Mikel

  318. @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.

    I also enjoyed your articles on economic growth, military power, and history.

    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing.

    Even had Russia won in Ukraine, much of Ukraine’s elite human capital would have probably moved to the West (or to whatever would have remained of free Ukraine, if they were especially patriotic, and if anything actually remained of free Ukraine) due to the fact that in Ukraine, unlike in other countries, increased nationalism is correlated with higher IQ. Russia would have thus been primarily left with the lower-IQ sovoks and pensioners.

    This is why I’m skeptical that conquering all of Novorossiya back in 2014 would have been a good idea:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-ukraine-iq/

    It would have destroyed relations with the West much more and would have only secured Ukraine’s lower-human capital areas for Russia, areas which could have subsequently experienced brain drain if the West would have still opened its doors wide open to Ukrainian refugees (and at least Poland and other Eastern European countries would have, I suspect). The only part of Novorossiya that has a reasonably high average IQ is Kharkiv.

    BTW, worth noting that southern Ukrainians, unlike eastern Ukrainians, significantly soured on Russia even right after Crimea, on the eve of the war in the Donbass:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=347&page=79

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=83

    Compare with the data for there pre-Crimea:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=236&page=84

    So, the bump in Russian support in southern Ukraine in the event of a Russian conquest of it in 2014 would have likely started from a lower base.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    , @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism
     
    LOL.

    Dude, Anatoly Karlin has written some of the most racist comments on the internet.

    Where have you been?

    Here's a direct quote from Karlin as recent as 2020 -

    What you have in #BlackLivesMatter is an emerging religion, complete with its own pantheon of saints and martyrs and the latest iteration of what some have called negrolatry, or the Cult of the Magical Negro.
     

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Opposition_to_Black_Lives_Matter
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    Another:


    Britain isn’t a shithole country – well, it sort of is becoming one, thanks to all the Negroes and Mohammedans it is importing, but it’s not there yet – and yet hundreds of thousands of Britons leave yearly for Canada, Australia, and the US (and Iberia, for retirement). Leaving because your own country is a shithole country is something that is more specific to Negroes

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sweden-no/#comment-2344221

    Calling BLM as "negrolatry" and African countries "shitholes" is respectable racial realism? wtf?

    Karlin always was a Daily Stormer type race realist. He's a racist clown.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  319. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.
     
    They are both giants compared to the Veggie-in-Chief. He is confused on how to walk in a straight line: (1)

    VIDEO below [MORE]

    Ask yourself, is watching Biden get lost in public again really worth the time and money being spent to attend this pointless exercise? Has anything of substance come out of the G7 in the last decade?

    In the video, all the other world leaders have no problem ascertaining which direction to exit the photo op. Heck, Biden is in the center of the group, so he’s even got the cheat code of being able to simply follow everyone else. Yet, he still somehow manages to get turned around and jam up the line before having to be shown the right way to go.

    I mean come on, I know it’s not a big thing in a vacuum, but we don’t live in a vacuum. Biden continually gets lost in public, specifically when trying to exit any kind of stage environment. How does he find that entire process so complicated? What’s the big hang-up for him? That’s a question we all know the answer to, even if the mainstream press is too in the tank to say it.
     
    It is clear that the occupied White House is being run by anti-American interests.

    • What nations are pulling his strings?
    • Or, are you suggesting the Godfather is the EU's Ursula von der Leyen?
    • Perhaps, Islamophile Klaus Schwab, head of the anti-Semitic WEF?

    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden's strings.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/05/20/joe-biden-gets-lost-again-tells-reporter-to-shush-up-before-incoherent-rant-on-the-debt-ceiling-n749037



    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1659945973504782336?s=20

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN

    The law firm of Blinken Nuland and Sullivan…by cohencidence.

  320. @AP
    @Beckow


    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
     
    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    In a scenario where the Poles would have allied with the Nazis against the Soviets, the Soviets could have also blamed the Anglo-French for not supporting them. But Yeah, a sin of omission is less bad than a sin of commission.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Many Poles did side with National Socialism. It’s just they went in as Germans. It’s not complicated. Otto Skorzeny for example. He’s a Pole in essence. Or we call them Ukrainians to save them from blushing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  321. @AP
    @Mikel


    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos
     
    What was inaccurate there?

    Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don't want to engage in further acts of futility.

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Wait and see. I think Russia is gradually turning up the heat on Kiev to promote regime change. It seems they have a long way to go, but who knows what intrigues happen in the dark corridors of the palace?

    The information control in this War is amazing. We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot. We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job. A few were obvious duds, but the Ukrainians will say who cares, we got the Kinzhals. I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what? So we have to wait, maybe someone will tell us the truth someday.

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground. I saw a few pictures of several dud PAC-3 missiles, but nothing else. I don’t look at Ukrainian and Russian feeds, so what have others seen? Are these feeds blocked in Western countries? Are we now like New Zealand where the government made it illegal to download the video or something equally bad?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @QCIC


    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground
     
    I've seen several videos of the Patriot launching its missiles before two explosions took place on the ground. These videos were taken from different angles and one of them showed quite clearly that the explosions happened at a location that I verified through Gloogle Earth was in the Sikorsky Airport area. Exactly where you would expect a system like the Patriot to be. Kiev strictly forbids people from posting footage and images of the Russian air attacks (even though apparently that would now show how useless the Russian missiles are) but it's a big country with lots of people using cell phones so some videos always leak out.

    This of course doesn't mean that all the videos I have seen weren't fakes and that for the first time in this war Ukrainian claims of 100% effectiveness of its AD systems happened to be true. But common sense and the preponderance of evidence argue against that. Among other things that I don't have the time to get into today, the Pentagon admitted not long ago that we don't have the means to defend against hypersonic weapons, the efficacy of the Patriot against much less sophisticated weapons is well known from other conflicts and the Pentagon is letting Kiev do all the talking instead of confirming the putative huge success. By contrast, what they did confirm is that the Patriot got some damage in the attack.
    , @A123
    @QCIC


    We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot.
     
    I concur.

    The propaganda is so thick one needs to cut it with a knife. Without a credible eyewitness near the site, no one here knows how effective the defense was.

    We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job.
     
    The system needs to protect itself. So, is the engagement 'overwhelmed'? Or, 'minimum necessary'? Either way, the battle chewed up a large number of consumables that cannot be readily replaced.

    I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what?
     
    The MIC always wants more money. Overstating the threat from hypersonic is a technique that can play to expand their budget.

    The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The current system has a decent chance of working. However, that means some will get through.

    what have others seen
     
    I haven't seen anything that looked particularly credible and informative. Apparently, some unoccupied commercial or light industrial buildings were damaged. However, the Patriots themselves also return to earth. Therefore, it is hard to ascribe a source.

    PEACE 😇
  322. @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Wizard powers unlocked (no mean feat in Russia)

  323. AP says:
    @Mikel
    Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can't make this up.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can’t make this up.

    The two are not comparable and should not be mentioned in the same phrase. One can point out many mistakes that McGregor makes. Theiner overall has been much more accurate in his predictions and claims. But he is predicting a successful Ukrainian offensive, so we will see if he holds up.

    You are avoiding the questions I asked you.

    Not only about what was inaccurate in Theiner’s interview, but also:

    Did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility. Right?

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate that the Patriot system no longer works and therefore the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage and Russian faith in their missiles against it?

    If Patriot still exists and Russians have given up on attacking Kiev with missiles, it means Theiner was right as usual.

    BTW the guy is not just a twitter personality or blogger, he gets quoted in various sources:

    https://news.yahoo.com/how-did-ukraine-strike-deep-inside-russian-occupied-crimea-193926506.html

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Theiner is in financial terms a "permabull" on Ukraine, so much less impressive if you look into details - for instance, he thought masses of Russians would be encircled in Kherson (didn't happen), and that 10ks of Russians would die of cold weather during the winter (!?). All far more ridiculous predictions that don't get quoted like my Russia bullish ones in the first few days of the war.

    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don't think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average. Less so, if anything.

    FWIW, I think there's a good chance the Ukrainian offensive succeeds. My current prediction on this question is 70% https://www.metaculus.com/questions/13531/ukraine-to-cut-land-bridge-to-crimea-by-2024/ or a lot higher than the Metaculus average (let alone Z glue huffers).

    Replies: @AP

  324. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    In a scenario where the Poles would have allied with the Nazis against the Soviets, the Soviets could have also blamed the Anglo-French for not supporting them. But Yeah, a sin of omission is less bad than a sin of commission.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Many Poles did side with National Socialism. It’s just they went in as Germans. It’s not complicated. Otto Skorzeny for example. He’s a Pole in essence. Or we call them Ukrainians to save them from blushing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    Looks like he was of distant Polish descent, Yes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

    Though it's still possible that most of his ancestors were German rather than Polish.

  325. @AP
    @Beckow


    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
     
    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    The Poles did side with the Germans over the Czechoslovakia question. If the Poles had been adults they may have even granted the USSR passage through to the Czechs to deter Germany. Jackal like behavior.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    There was a fear that the Soviets weren't going to leave Poland after the end of the war, no? A fear that proved prescient by the events of 1945-1989.

    Though given that Poland ended up getting almost half-a-century's worth of Communist rule anyway, maybe Poland should have simply consented to it earlier and thus spared itself and the world a lot of suffering. But Poles didn't know that they were condemned to this fate ahead of time! They were thinking of France not falling in 1940 and thus subsequently liberating them in place of the USSR.

    , @AP
    @Wokechoke

    It was not a coordinated operation. Czechs under pressure from Brits and French chose to surrender lands to Germans, so Poland took Polish-inhabited lands too, which could have fallen to the Germans.

    They would have preferred an anti-German alliance with the Czechs but a precondition would be the return of Polish-inhabited lands that Czechoslovakia had taken while Poland had been busy successfully fighting the Soviets (speaking of jackal-like behavior).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  326. @Mikel
    Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can't make this up.

    Replies: @AP, @Matra

    It’s interesting how similar the mindset is between Russians and Ukrainians along with their non-Slavic Western partisans. The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.

    BTW I wonder if AK’s re-branding is because he is planning on returning to California or the UK or whatever country he has citizenship in. Renouncing the views his name is attached to and coming out as a Rightoid-hating social liberal might be worth a try if that is what he is planning.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Matra


    The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.
     
    Well, I have some family in that general part of the world and they're actually very normal people. But I very well understand what you mean. It's quite irritating sometimes. As things stand right now, if Russia decided to attack Latvia, Lithuania or Poland we have committed ourselves to defend them even if that leads to a nuclear conflagration and our own destruction (not that our leaders found it necessary to ask us if we really felt such a strong solidarity but people in our countries have accepted it quite meekly anyway). In spite of this generous commitment, some people in EE make you feel as if this wasn't enough and we were too selfish by not extending those guarantees to all countries around Russia, regardless of whether they are ion NATO or not.

    Btw, the other day we were discussing right here if the F-16s will finally be provided to Ukraine or not. Well, that "mental barrier" has also been lifted and now it is a fact that they will be delivered, which makes me think that Biden is being played by his entourage just like Trump was. Someone is clearly agitating to lift all "mental barriers" and go for a full confrontation, and it's not just the EEs. What will be the next barrier to be lifted if the Russians manage to keep their ground? A NFZ, as was also suggested from the very beginning?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  327. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    The Poles did side with the Germans over the Czechoslovakia question. If the Poles had been adults they may have even granted the USSR passage through to the Czechs to deter Germany. Jackal like behavior.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    There was a fear that the Soviets weren’t going to leave Poland after the end of the war, no? A fear that proved prescient by the events of 1945-1989.

    Though given that Poland ended up getting almost half-a-century’s worth of Communist rule anyway, maybe Poland should have simply consented to it earlier and thus spared itself and the world a lot of suffering. But Poles didn’t know that they were condemned to this fate ahead of time! They were thinking of France not falling in 1940 and thus subsequently liberating them in place of the USSR.

  328. @QCIC
    @AP

    Wait and see. I think Russia is gradually turning up the heat on Kiev to promote regime change. It seems they have a long way to go, but who knows what intrigues happen in the dark corridors of the palace?

    The information control in this War is amazing. We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot. We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job. A few were obvious duds, but the Ukrainians will say who cares, we got the Kinzhals. I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what? So we have to wait, maybe someone will tell us the truth someday.

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground. I saw a few pictures of several dud PAC-3 missiles, but nothing else. I don't look at Ukrainian and Russian feeds, so what have others seen? Are these feeds blocked in Western countries? Are we now like New Zealand where the government made it illegal to download the video or something equally bad?

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground

    I’ve seen several videos of the Patriot launching its missiles before two explosions took place on the ground. These videos were taken from different angles and one of them showed quite clearly that the explosions happened at a location that I verified through Gloogle Earth was in the Sikorsky Airport area. Exactly where you would expect a system like the Patriot to be. Kiev strictly forbids people from posting footage and images of the Russian air attacks (even though apparently that would now show how useless the Russian missiles are) but it’s a big country with lots of people using cell phones so some videos always leak out.

    This of course doesn’t mean that all the videos I have seen weren’t fakes and that for the first time in this war Ukrainian claims of 100% effectiveness of its AD systems happened to be true. But common sense and the preponderance of evidence argue against that. Among other things that I don’t have the time to get into today, the Pentagon admitted not long ago that we don’t have the means to defend against hypersonic weapons, the efficacy of the Patriot against much less sophisticated weapons is well known from other conflicts and the Pentagon is letting Kiev do all the talking instead of confirming the putative huge success. By contrast, what they did confirm is that the Patriot got some damage in the attack.

  329. @AP
    @Mikel


    Mikhail and AP asking me at the same time what is wrong with McGregor and Theiner, respectively. You can’t make this up.

     

    The two are not comparable and should not be mentioned in the same phrase. One can point out many mistakes that McGregor makes. Theiner overall has been much more accurate in his predictions and claims. But he is predicting a successful Ukrainian offensive, so we will see if he holds up.

    You are avoiding the questions I asked you.

    Not only about what was inaccurate in Theiner's interview, but also:

    Did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility. Right?

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate that the Patriot system no longer works and therefore the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage and Russian faith in their missiles against it?

    If Patriot still exists and Russians have given up on attacking Kiev with missiles, it means Theiner was right as usual.

    BTW the guy is not just a twitter personality or blogger, he gets quoted in various sources:

    https://news.yahoo.com/how-did-ukraine-strike-deep-inside-russian-occupied-crimea-193926506.html

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Theiner is in financial terms a “permabull” on Ukraine, so much less impressive if you look into details – for instance, he thought masses of Russians would be encircled in Kherson (didn’t happen), and that 10ks of Russians would die of cold weather during the winter (!?). All far more ridiculous predictions that don’t get quoted like my Russia bullish ones in the first few days of the war.

    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average. Less so, if anything.

    FWIW, I think there’s a good chance the Ukrainian offensive succeeds. My current prediction on this question is 70% https://www.metaculus.com/questions/13531/ukraine-to-cut-land-bridge-to-crimea-by-2024/ or a lot higher than the Metaculus average (let alone Z glue huffers).

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average
     
    Well, you’ve been pretty accurate after the first couple of months. For perhaps the banal reason that Russia has been failing, Theiner has not been in the same league of being wrong as has been MacGregor.

    What is your take on the attempt to take out the Patriot battery in Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin, @Sean

  330. @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    Off-topic, but here’s an alternate history question for you, AK: In the event that the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs) succeed in gaining power in Russia in 1917 instead of the Bolsheviks (like the Russian voters themselves actually wanted), what are the odds that Russia will eventually go to war with Japan, such as in the 1930s or 1940s, in order to drive Japan out of China in response to the likely huge outrage that mass Japanese atrocities in China are going to generate in Russia?

    Think of outrage similar to the one that developed in the US on the eve of the Spanish-American War back in 1898, which helped pave the way for the US’s entry into that war:

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mr. XYZ

    Bullshit. Soviets and ROC instigated war with Japan.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  331. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Many Poles did side with National Socialism. It’s just they went in as Germans. It’s not complicated. Otto Skorzeny for example. He’s a Pole in essence. Or we call them Ukrainians to save them from blushing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Looks like he was of distant Polish descent, Yes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Skorzeny

    Though it’s still possible that most of his ancestors were German rather than Polish.

  332. @Sher Singh
    "A Gay neither mounts a steed (woman) nor does he rise in battle" - Suraj Prakash Granth

    The Singh further states - A faggot will desire peace - say my affairs in order, let's stay peaceful.

    No desire to further his aims, ambitions or tribe - Unarmed, peaceful man = FAGGOT


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1109589736613482657/GpBAAIUkd_NMeacz.mp4

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I had no idea that India was so homophobic. I always regarded homophobia as a Christian thing

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Greasy William

    It's an instinctive and universal human cultural reaction to something deeply disgusting.
    This includes Ancient Greece, pederasty should not be confused with sodomy (known instances being restricted to slaves and perverts and being corporally punished).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaphanidosis

    There is no evidence Greco-Roman culture accepted what contemporary liberals think of as 'gay' with its paraphernalia of sham 'marriages' the 'adoption' of unfortunate children and so forth, I think this idea may have been popularised by the female historical fiction author Mary Renault.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Greasy William

    It's not. Singh's brains were colonized by the W*stoids, who subsequently "rugged" him by embracing LGBT half a century after killing Turing for it.

    He now fantasizes more about homosexuality than the vast majority of actual homosexuals, but that's a typical r*ghtoid pathology.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  333. @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    Sher Singh is pretty whacko but he is absolutely correct about this part. If you do a bunch of dead lifts and squats and presses your testes will kick in again. Live!

    Time is finite.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I have been lifting and supplementing intensively since the start of 2023 and accumulated significant muscle mass (although I am currently taking a monthly long break to travel and much needed rest). Incidentally, coming to identify as an object or thing, with its connotations of a machine, as opposed to a m*noid, with its connotations of loserdom, has been a great psychological boost in this process.

  334. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They're a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.

    I also enjoyed your articles on economic growth, military power, and history.


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing.
     
    Even had Russia won in Ukraine, much of Ukraine's elite human capital would have probably moved to the West (or to whatever would have remained of free Ukraine, if they were especially patriotic, and if anything actually remained of free Ukraine) due to the fact that in Ukraine, unlike in other countries, increased nationalism is correlated with higher IQ. Russia would have thus been primarily left with the lower-IQ sovoks and pensioners.

    This is why I'm skeptical that conquering all of Novorossiya back in 2014 would have been a good idea:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-ukraine-iq/

    It would have destroyed relations with the West much more and would have only secured Ukraine's lower-human capital areas for Russia, areas which could have subsequently experienced brain drain if the West would have still opened its doors wide open to Ukrainian refugees (and at least Poland and other Eastern European countries would have, I suspect). The only part of Novorossiya that has a reasonably high average IQ is Kharkiv.

    BTW, worth noting that southern Ukrainians, unlike eastern Ukrainians, significantly soured on Russia even right after Crimea, on the eve of the war in the Donbass:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=347&page=79

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=83

    Compare with the data for there pre-Crimea:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=236&page=84

    So, the bump in Russian support in southern Ukraine in the event of a Russian conquest of it in 2014 would have likely started from a lower base.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Pocket1

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.

    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.
     
    Так тонко, что почти толсто.

    I can't believe a second that you really feel that way. If you do, that might be depression and if you think that it might be depression, then seek for help.

    And FWIW, although we sometimes disagreed, I still do believe that you are a very intelligent person.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Elite human capital doesn't unequivocally support open borders. Garett Jones doesn't (he only supports it for cognitive elites, specifically for those who are the best of the best; the rest he thinks should have the right to work in the West but not to live/settle there permanently). Ruth Gavison didn't (she only supported it for Jews and close descendants of Jews for Israel; also, she spoke with pride about how Israel and various European countries have preferential immigration policies for their co-ethics in order to preserve their traditional ethnic character). Sam Harris doesn't (since open borders for Muslims would increase his own odds of getting murdered for "Islamophobic" speech; though he does support accepting culturally compatible Muslim refugees who are extremely hostile towards radical and illiberal segments of Islam).

    Liberals in Canada and Israel (the Jewish ones, at least) don't appear to be advocating for open borders for anyone other than cognitive elites (Canada) and close descendants of Jews (Israel). Canada does admit a good amount of refugees but nothing compared to how many refugees it would be compelled to accept under an open borders scheme.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    My religion supports Total Nigger Death.
    ==
    Depression confirmed GAY

    https://twitter.com/spandrell3/status/1659847100946083840?s=20

    You'll start lecturing us on what Dharma really means.
    That's part of the Whib Lib/Faggot ID.
    I'll call you a white supremacist & point out you're being replaced.
    You'll seethe & go elsewhere.
    --

    You have 2 1/2 blind spots in understanding 'wokeness'.


    First you see ideology as a personal belief (christian influence).
    Instead - it is a product of institutions, networks & assimilation.
    Rightoids are extremely parochial & myopic.
    They underestimate the level of cultural distance WITHIN a nation state & overestimate it outside.
    This is because they are ultimately failed liberals (post enlightenment Whites).

     


    Second you underestimate the LOCAL/Regional influence of communal elites.
    You also discount the impact of demographics & what Liberalism entails.
    Western Governments have been offloading service delivery & consultation to NGOs for 3 decades.
    Many of these NGOS or 'private actors' are communal organizations specific to 1 tribe or ethnos.
    Wokeness as a rule supports non-white or minority Communal orgs, while suppressing those of the majority.
     

    A Weaker/Woke Russia isn't one in which Chechens support gay marriage.
    It's one where Chechen elites IN Moscow signal tolerance - while leaving the door open for Kadyrov.
    On the local (street) level it involves police pulling back from Gang violence against ethnic Russians by others.
    See above - a criminal with a communal org backing is an insurgent.
     

    Dr. Christopher Larsen US Army Ret'd defines an insurgent as an embedded (civilian) fighter enacting a grievance.
    The men in the field are guerillas - in one way, ANY ethnically motivated actor with backing is an insurgent.
     

    Rightoids see ethnic differences (status) as inherent.
    You apply the same to ideology.
    There is only the Sword - people follow the strong horse.
     
    https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/


    "Ash Sarkar is anti-white because she is a fervent assimilationist into white elite culture. If she had been born in 19th century Britain she would be an imperialist. This explains the paradox of non-white leftist women who exclusively date and marry white men"
     
    There is no will or attempt to assimilate or integrate non-whites at this point.
    Wignats are simply unable to imagine what a 80% non-white city in North America or the West is like.
    You're the other side of a coin (Wignats) which fails to see what an 80% non-white city is like.
    People aren't anti-liberal they're simply unaware it exists for linguistic & other reasons.

    Liberalism is soft on criminals - which inherently makes it harder for non-mainstream elites to assimilate.
    Civil society among minorities is controlled by extremists & this has been a complaint of Thulean type leftists for decades.
    Those types control criminal cadre which regularly kill those who get far out of line.
    The state is simply Service Delivery + Violence.

    Both are increasingly dominated by private actors which have a parochial vs universal (enlightenment) mandate.
    There's a strong rational argument of Liberalism for thee (whites) but not for me.
    That you don't see this is your problem.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962860873435713557/1098207309504716810/IMG_20230312_152607.jpg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Sean
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.
     
    War does not take place between races. War is a political event.

    Peace is the path to prosperity, and Zelensky was elected on a platform of peaceful return of Crimea and Donbass. Diversity was not tolerated in Ukraine by the Zelensky regime, which closed down Russian language TV stations and arrested their owner (father of Putin’s godchildren Victor Medvedchuk) days before the build up for the invasion started.

    War leads to partition into ethnically excusive separate state and peace. Ukraine is effectively partitioned and peace will come, but who will pay to to rebuild the damaged infrastructure, housing and busineses?

    , @helloid
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Stop lying you absolute moron.

    You were a white nationalist hate filled racist who promoted extreme race hatred:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    You wrote racist bile like this:



    Britain isn’t a shithole country – well, it sort of is becoming one, thanks to all the Negroes and Mohammedans it is importing, but it’s not there yet – and yet hundreds of thousands of Britons leave yearly for Canada, Australia, and the US (and Iberia, for retirement).

    Leaving because your own country is a shithole country is something that is more specific to Negroes
     
  335. @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    I had no idea that India was so homophobic. I always regarded homophobia as a Christian thing

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s an instinctive and universal human cultural reaction to something deeply disgusting.
    This includes Ancient Greece, pederasty should not be confused with sodomy (known instances being restricted to slaves and perverts and being corporally punished).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaphanidosis

    There is no evidence Greco-Roman culture accepted what contemporary liberals think of as ‘gay’ with its paraphernalia of sham ‘marriages’ the ‘adoption’ of unfortunate children and so forth, I think this idea may have been popularised by the female historical fiction author Mary Renault.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yevardian

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/fags.png

    Greasy is a Jew - Karlin has heavy Jewish ancestry.
    Their homophilia is simply tribalism.

    Their support of open borders is simply a desire for Brown rape.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  336. Since this is a Russian forum I’m just going to say that the annual IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship, which I’ve always enjoyed in the past, is boring without the Russians. Belarus, though I miss them, we can live without, but no Russia means the tournament is a joke.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  337. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sher Singh is pretty whacko but he is absolutely correct about this part. If you do a bunch of dead lifts and squats and presses your testes will kick in again. Live!

    Time is finite.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I have been lifting and supplementing intensively since the start of 2023 and accumulated significant muscle mass (although I am currently taking a monthly long break to travel and much needed rest). Incidentally, coming to identify as an object or thing, with its connotations of a machine, as opposed to a m*noid, with its connotations of loserdom, has been a great psychological boost in this process.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  338. @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    I had no idea that India was so homophobic. I always regarded homophobia as a Christian thing

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s not. Singh’s brains were colonized by the W*stoids, who subsequently “rugged” him by embracing LGBT half a century after killing Turing for it.

    He now fantasizes more about homosexuality than the vast majority of actual homosexuals, but that’s a typical r*ghtoid pathology.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Karlin, I thought you were going to instigate PRC to missile strike against Japan.

    Even Chicom shills like Carl Zha knows that a Sino-Japanese alliance is more potent than a Sino-Russian one.

    How do you like them apples? You fucking cunt.

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1642376370323095554?s=20

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  339. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    Так тонко, что почти толсто.

    I can’t believe a second that you really feel that way. If you do, that might be depression and if you think that it might be depression, then seek for help.

    And FWIW, although we sometimes disagreed, I still do believe that you are a very intelligent person.

  340. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Off-topic, but here's an alternate history question for you, AK: In the event that the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs) succeed in gaining power in Russia in 1917 instead of the Bolsheviks (like the Russian voters themselves actually wanted), what are the odds that Russia will eventually go to war with Japan, such as in the 1930s or 1940s, in order to drive Japan out of China in response to the likely huge outrage that mass Japanese atrocities in China are going to generate in Russia?

    Think of outrage similar to the one that developed in the US on the eve of the Spanish-American War back in 1898, which helped pave the way for the US's entry into that war:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Remember_the_Maine%21_And_Don%27t_Forget_the_Starving_Cubans%21_-_Victor_Gillam_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Bullshit. Soviets and ROC instigated war with Japan.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Did they cause Japan to attack Manchuria in 1931 or to attack the rest of China in 1937?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  341. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Greasy William

    It's not. Singh's brains were colonized by the W*stoids, who subsequently "rugged" him by embracing LGBT half a century after killing Turing for it.

    He now fantasizes more about homosexuality than the vast majority of actual homosexuals, but that's a typical r*ghtoid pathology.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Karlin, I thought you were going to instigate PRC to missile strike against Japan.

    Even Chicom shills like Carl Zha knows that a Sino-Japanese alliance is more potent than a Sino-Russian one.

    How do you like them apples? You fucking cunt.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US will prevent such an alliance, just like it does everything to prevent a Russian-German alliance.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  342. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Becker

    Barbarossa was made possible by French and English largesse and also US trucks.

  343. AP says:
    @Wokechoke
    @AP

    The Poles did side with the Germans over the Czechoslovakia question. If the Poles had been adults they may have even granted the USSR passage through to the Czechs to deter Germany. Jackal like behavior.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    It was not a coordinated operation. Czechs under pressure from Brits and French chose to surrender lands to Germans, so Poland took Polish-inhabited lands too, which could have fallen to the Germans.

    They would have preferred an anti-German alliance with the Czechs but a precondition would be the return of Polish-inhabited lands that Czechoslovakia had taken while Poland had been busy successfully fighting the Soviets (speaking of jackal-like behavior).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Teschen had a vital railway, which is why the Allies proposed giving it to Czechoslovakia, IIRC. It was Polish-majority but strategically it was probably more important for Czechoslovakia than it was for Poland.

    Teschen is discussed here in this 1919 book by a Brit:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044014238240&view=1up&seq=320&q1=Teschen

    If I was Polish, I'd have simply given up my country's claim to Teschen for the sake of having better relations with Czechoslovakia. Ditto for consenting to the reunion of Danzig and Germany. But I would never give up any Polish territory or ally with the Nazis against the USSR.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  344. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Theiner is in financial terms a "permabull" on Ukraine, so much less impressive if you look into details - for instance, he thought masses of Russians would be encircled in Kherson (didn't happen), and that 10ks of Russians would die of cold weather during the winter (!?). All far more ridiculous predictions that don't get quoted like my Russia bullish ones in the first few days of the war.

    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don't think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average. Less so, if anything.

    FWIW, I think there's a good chance the Ukrainian offensive succeeds. My current prediction on this question is 70% https://www.metaculus.com/questions/13531/ukraine-to-cut-land-bridge-to-crimea-by-2024/ or a lot higher than the Metaculus average (let alone Z glue huffers).

    Replies: @AP

    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average

    Well, you’ve been pretty accurate after the first couple of months. For perhaps the banal reason that Russia has been failing, Theiner has not been in the same league of being wrong as has been MacGregor.

    What is your take on the attempt to take out the Patriot battery in Kiev?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    This is a very off-topic question, but nevertheless, here goes:

    Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik and remained in World War I up to the very end but still experienced the first February/liberal-style revolution during the war, just how much gratitude would Ukrainians have shown towards the Russians for sacrificing millions of lives (many Ukrainians, but a majority consisting of Great Russians) so that Ukraine can be unified, albeit within a liberal Greater Russia? In such a scenario, Russia is likely to secure Galicia, Subcarpathian Ruthenia, and perhaps even the Lemko Land for an autonomous Ukraine (within a Greater Russia) at the end of World War I.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    True - but Theiner's calls are extreme and often absurd. If you want a consistently accurate prognosticator, there's many vastly better candidates - Michael Kofman, Rob Lee, Igor Strelkov, even Binkov's Battlegrounds on YouTube come to mind. What distinguishes them is that are hedged and far more cautious than the glue huffers on both sides.

    I don't have an opinion on the Patriot debate. That it's moronic and negative value added can be surmised from the fact that respective positions can be crisply predicted from one's alignment on the Z/NAFO spectrum. I am interested in stocks and flows in manpower and materiel, as that's what will actually determine outcomes.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Sean
    @AP

    The worst predictor of all was Zelemsky's that Putin would not do it. Despite there being a 400 mile front line left over from 2014 well inside Ukraine's territory, and all the warnings from Washington, until mere weeks before the invasions' Zelensky clearly disbelieved that this build up, which started days after the father of Putin’s godchildren, Ukrainian billionaire Victor Medvedchuk, was arrested on Zelensky’s orders, was for real. Proof of Zelensky's disbelief is that is he told the US to stop publicly predicting an invasion.

    Macgragor and many in the West think traditional combined arms maneuver warfare to breach defences 'still' works against well prepared defences . Experience has taught the Russians and Ukrainians better. Neither side intends to conduct dashing mobile operations, and so the current situation is the Russians have successfully hunkered down on a 600 mile front well inside Ukrainian teritory and are proceeding at the speed of dry rot in the Bakhmut area, there has not been a victory for Ukraine since November last year, and the conflict is begining to show many similarities to how the Korean war (sort of) ended.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  345. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mr. XYZ

    Bullshit. Soviets and ROC instigated war with Japan.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Did they cause Japan to attack Manchuria in 1931 or to attack the rest of China in 1937?

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mr. XYZ

    Are you a goyishe kop?

    Do the Chinese strike you as a people who are guileless and would never do anything underhanded or acquisitive?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  346. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    Elite human capital doesn’t unequivocally support open borders. Garett Jones doesn’t (he only supports it for cognitive elites, specifically for those who are the best of the best; the rest he thinks should have the right to work in the West but not to live/settle there permanently). Ruth Gavison didn’t (she only supported it for Jews and close descendants of Jews for Israel; also, she spoke with pride about how Israel and various European countries have preferential immigration policies for their co-ethics in order to preserve their traditional ethnic character). Sam Harris doesn’t (since open borders for Muslims would increase his own odds of getting murdered for “Islamophobic” speech; though he does support accepting culturally compatible Muslim refugees who are extremely hostile towards radical and illiberal segments of Islam).

    Liberals in Canada and Israel (the Jewish ones, at least) don’t appear to be advocating for open borders for anyone other than cognitive elites (Canada) and close descendants of Jews (Israel). Canada does admit a good amount of refugees but nothing compared to how many refugees it would be compelled to accept under an open borders scheme.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Garrett Jones' proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy. Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia - which needs to be suppressed), and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the "breaking wave" idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed. History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage. (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

  347. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    It was not a coordinated operation. Czechs under pressure from Brits and French chose to surrender lands to Germans, so Poland took Polish-inhabited lands too, which could have fallen to the Germans.

    They would have preferred an anti-German alliance with the Czechs but a precondition would be the return of Polish-inhabited lands that Czechoslovakia had taken while Poland had been busy successfully fighting the Soviets (speaking of jackal-like behavior).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Teschen had a vital railway, which is why the Allies proposed giving it to Czechoslovakia, IIRC. It was Polish-majority but strategically it was probably more important for Czechoslovakia than it was for Poland.

    Teschen is discussed here in this 1919 book by a Brit:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044014238240&view=1up&seq=320&q1=Teschen

    If I was Polish, I’d have simply given up my country’s claim to Teschen for the sake of having better relations with Czechoslovakia. Ditto for consenting to the reunion of Danzig and Germany. But I would never give up any Polish territory or ally with the Nazis against the USSR.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Which is what they did in 1938. Viz Sudetenland.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  348. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @AP

    Wait and see. I think Russia is gradually turning up the heat on Kiev to promote regime change. It seems they have a long way to go, but who knows what intrigues happen in the dark corridors of the palace?

    The information control in this War is amazing. We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot. We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job. A few were obvious duds, but the Ukrainians will say who cares, we got the Kinzhals. I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what? So we have to wait, maybe someone will tell us the truth someday.

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground. I saw a few pictures of several dud PAC-3 missiles, but nothing else. I don't look at Ukrainian and Russian feeds, so what have others seen? Are these feeds blocked in Western countries? Are we now like New Zealand where the government made it illegal to download the video or something equally bad?

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123

    We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot.

    I concur.

    The propaganda is so thick one needs to cut it with a knife. Without a credible eyewitness near the site, no one here knows how effective the defense was.

    We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job.

    The system needs to protect itself. So, is the engagement ‘overwhelmed’? Or, ‘minimum necessary’? Either way, the battle chewed up a large number of consumables that cannot be readily replaced.

    I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what?

    The MIC always wants more money. Overstating the threat from hypersonic is a technique that can play to expand their budget.

    The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. The current system has a decent chance of working. However, that means some will get through.

    what have others seen

    I haven’t seen anything that looked particularly credible and informative. Apparently, some unoccupied commercial or light industrial buildings were damaged. However, the Patriots themselves also return to earth. Therefore, it is hard to ascribe a source.

    PEACE 😇

  349. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Karlin, I thought you were going to instigate PRC to missile strike against Japan.

    Even Chicom shills like Carl Zha knows that a Sino-Japanese alliance is more potent than a Sino-Russian one.

    How do you like them apples? You fucking cunt.

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1642376370323095554?s=20

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    US will prevent such an alliance, just like it does everything to prevent a Russian-German alliance.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    I know. By the way my insults are directed at Karlin only, not the Russian people in general.

    It's also a tactic of literary background, 激將法 jījiàngfǎ


    First attested at the end of Chapter 70* of Romance of the Three Kingdoms:

    to goad someone into action by the means of reverse psychology, as by ridicule, sarcasm, etc.
     
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/激將法

    * In that case it was to belittle a general as incapable due to old age, who got fired up and then led his army to victory.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  350. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.
     
    They are both giants compared to the Veggie-in-Chief. He is confused on how to walk in a straight line: (1)

    VIDEO below [MORE]

    Ask yourself, is watching Biden get lost in public again really worth the time and money being spent to attend this pointless exercise? Has anything of substance come out of the G7 in the last decade?

    In the video, all the other world leaders have no problem ascertaining which direction to exit the photo op. Heck, Biden is in the center of the group, so he’s even got the cheat code of being able to simply follow everyone else. Yet, he still somehow manages to get turned around and jam up the line before having to be shown the right way to go.

    I mean come on, I know it’s not a big thing in a vacuum, but we don’t live in a vacuum. Biden continually gets lost in public, specifically when trying to exit any kind of stage environment. How does he find that entire process so complicated? What’s the big hang-up for him? That’s a question we all know the answer to, even if the mainstream press is too in the tank to say it.
     
    It is clear that the occupied White House is being run by anti-American interests.

    • What nations are pulling his strings?
    • Or, are you suggesting the Godfather is the EU's Ursula von der Leyen?
    • Perhaps, Islamophile Klaus Schwab, head of the anti-Semitic WEF?

    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden's strings.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/05/20/joe-biden-gets-lost-again-tells-reporter-to-shush-up-before-incoherent-rant-on-the-debt-ceiling-n749037



    https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1659945973504782336?s=20

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AnonfromTN

    Please name the foreigner (or foreigners) pulling Not-The-President Biden’s strings.

    To keep your pretense, you are barking up the wrong tree. The puppet is operated by the same cabal that got this demented half-corpse into the White house by large scale fraud in 2020. Biden himself is irrelevant, he does not even remember when he peed last time.

    The real tragedy of the US is not even that his puppeteers are stupid, but that they are psychopaths ruining the country and the whole imperial patch with it.

  351. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William

    It's an instinctive and universal human cultural reaction to something deeply disgusting.
    This includes Ancient Greece, pederasty should not be confused with sodomy (known instances being restricted to slaves and perverts and being corporally punished).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaphanidosis

    There is no evidence Greco-Roman culture accepted what contemporary liberals think of as 'gay' with its paraphernalia of sham 'marriages' the 'adoption' of unfortunate children and so forth, I think this idea may have been popularised by the female historical fiction author Mary Renault.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Greasy is a Jew – Karlin has heavy Jewish ancestry.
    Their homophilia is simply tribalism.

    Their support of open borders is simply a desire for Brown rape.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sher Singh

    Anatoly Karlin is only around 2% or 3% Jewish by ancestry lol.

    And Yes, if one genuinely supports *real* equity for non-whites, then one needs to support giving them access to all of the white booty that their hearts desire, provided that this white booty itself consents to this, of course.

    Throw in as much cute Asian waifus as they want as well.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  352. @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa


    Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society from any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
     
    True. It's like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    If technology has been a self driving rationale by default thus far it really makes you wonder what happens if AI gives that process some measure of agency.

    The notion sure doesn’t float my boat.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  353. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Kurzweil ?

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    Or there is always this guy.

    https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

    His process sounds like an utter miserable pain in the ass. I think you would have to exceptionally neurotic to undertake such a regimen.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Barbarossa

    Everybody has to have something to live for; some people undergo torments for love of truth, other people undergo torments so that they might possibly look a little younger than they otherwise would.


    And after many a summer dies the swan.
    Me only cruel immortality
    Consumes: I wither slowly in thine arms,
    Here at the quiet limit of the world,
    A white-hair'd shadow roaming like a dream
    The ever-silent spaces of the East,
    Far-folded mists, and gleaming halls of morn.
     
    There was a Huxley novel named after this poem, After Many a Summer, rather less well known than Brave New World, which is somewhat interesting in this connection although my recollection of it is spotty.
  354. @Greasy William
    @songbird

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    LOL. Either it’s your problem or your nephews aren’t being raised correctly to non-obnoxious kiddos.

    Done properly kids are awesome, and I can say this as someone who has 5 of them.

    children are gay, imo

    Spoiled kids may be gay since they make people not want to reproduce.

    Properly raised kids are the opposite. I’ve actually had multiple people tell me that being around my kids has made them want kids, which is the opposite of gay.

    I kind of feel bad for seeming like I’m bragging, but I have to set the record straight here!

    In honesty, other people’s kids sometime make me want to smack them upside the head and then chew the parents out. Operator error is too common in raising small humans.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Barbarossa

    No, my nephews are great. Other people comment on how sweet and well behaved they are.

    And I love them. I just don't enjoy caring for them. In fact, I hate it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  355. @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    LOL. Either it's your problem or your nephews aren't being raised correctly to non-obnoxious kiddos.

    Done properly kids are awesome, and I can say this as someone who has 5 of them.


    children are gay, imo
     
    Spoiled kids may be gay since they make people not want to reproduce.

    Properly raised kids are the opposite. I've actually had multiple people tell me that being around my kids has made them want kids, which is the opposite of gay.

    I kind of feel bad for seeming like I'm bragging, but I have to set the record straight here!

    In honesty, other people's kids sometime make me want to smack them upside the head and then chew the parents out. Operator error is too common in raising small humans.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    No, my nephews are great. Other people comment on how sweet and well behaved they are.

    And I love them. I just don’t enjoy caring for them. In fact, I hate it.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I'm glad to hear that your nephews are great. It must just be you. It's probably just best for all parties involved if you don't have kids then. I'm not saying that in a judgemental way, I think it's important to recognize one's limitations and not try to ignore them for the wrong justifications.

    I personally really enjoy being around and caring for my kids in various ways and I know plenty of other fathers who do as well.

    I'll still completely disagree that children are in any way gay as a blanket statement even if you feel like it's the case for yourself.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel, @Greasy William

  356. @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    US will prevent such an alliance, just like it does everything to prevent a Russian-German alliance.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I know. By the way my insults are directed at Karlin only, not the Russian people in general.

    It’s also a tactic of literary background, 激將法 jījiàngfǎ

    First attested at the end of Chapter 70* of Romance of the Three Kingdoms:

    to goad someone into action by the means of reverse psychology, as by ridicule, sarcasm, etc.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/激將法

    * In that case it was to belittle a general as incapable due to old age, who got fired up and then led his army to victory.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I understand this, but where I was raised, it was seen as non-honorable to still beat someone who was already knocked to the ground. Some people did it, but I never did. When one is weakened and disoriented, insulting or beating this person doesn't help.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  357. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Teschen had a vital railway, which is why the Allies proposed giving it to Czechoslovakia, IIRC. It was Polish-majority but strategically it was probably more important for Czechoslovakia than it was for Poland.

    Teschen is discussed here in this 1919 book by a Brit:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044014238240&view=1up&seq=320&q1=Teschen

    If I was Polish, I'd have simply given up my country's claim to Teschen for the sake of having better relations with Czechoslovakia. Ditto for consenting to the reunion of Danzig and Germany. But I would never give up any Polish territory or ally with the Nazis against the USSR.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Which is what they did in 1938. Viz Sudetenland.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    The Czechs did; not the Poles.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  358. @Mr. XYZ
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Did they cause Japan to attack Manchuria in 1931 or to attack the rest of China in 1937?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Are you a goyishe kop?

    Do the Chinese strike you as a people who are guileless and would never do anything underhanded or acquisitive?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Well, what specifically did the Chinese do here that was provocative enough to warrant their level of treatment by the Japanese?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  359. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Which is what they did in 1938. Viz Sudetenland.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The Czechs did; not the Poles.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Side with Germany in 1938?

  360. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mr. XYZ

    Are you a goyishe kop?

    Do the Chinese strike you as a people who are guileless and would never do anything underhanded or acquisitive?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, what specifically did the Chinese do here that was provocative enough to warrant their level of treatment by the Japanese?

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Mr. XYZ

    The Tribe aren't sending their best to Karlinstan. Go read my past posts.

    The Chinese allied with Nazis

    https://i.postimg.cc/XvMRrKgX/person-hitler130.jpg

    And this Japanese saved more of your people than Schindler,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara

  361. Sher Singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    My religion supports Total Nigger Death.
    ==
    Depression confirmed GAY

    You’ll start lecturing us on what Dharma really means.
    That’s part of the Whib Lib/Faggot ID.
    I’ll call you a white supremacist & point out you’re being replaced.
    You’ll seethe & go elsewhere.

    You have 2 1/2 blind spots in understanding ‘wokeness’.

    First you see ideology as a personal belief (christian influence).
    Instead – it is a product of institutions, networks & assimilation.
    Rightoids are extremely parochial & myopic.
    They underestimate the level of cultural distance WITHIN a nation state & overestimate it outside.
    This is because they are ultimately failed liberals (post enlightenment Whites).

    Second you underestimate the LOCAL/Regional influence of communal elites.
    You also discount the impact of demographics & what Liberalism entails.
    Western Governments have been offloading service delivery & consultation to NGOs for 3 decades.
    Many of these NGOS or ‘private actors’ are communal organizations specific to 1 tribe or ethnos.
    Wokeness as a rule supports non-white or minority Communal orgs, while suppressing those of the majority.

    A Weaker/Woke Russia isn’t one in which Chechens support gay marriage.
    It’s one where Chechen elites IN Moscow signal tolerance – while leaving the door open for Kadyrov.
    On the local (street) level it involves police pulling back from Gang violence against ethnic Russians by others.
    See above – a criminal with a communal org backing is an insurgent.

    Dr. Christopher Larsen US Army Ret’d defines an insurgent as an embedded (civilian) fighter enacting a grievance.
    The men in the field are guerillas – in one way, ANY ethnically motivated actor with backing is an insurgent.

    Rightoids see ethnic differences (status) as inherent.
    You apply the same to ideology.
    There is only the Sword – people follow the strong horse.

    https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    [MORE]

    “Ash Sarkar is anti-white because she is a fervent assimilationist into white elite culture. If she had been born in 19th century Britain she would be an imperialist. This explains the paradox of non-white leftist women who exclusively date and marry white men”

    There is no will or attempt to assimilate or integrate non-whites at this point.
    Wignats are simply unable to imagine what a 80% non-white city in North America or the West is like.
    You’re the other side of a coin (Wignats) which fails to see what an 80% non-white city is like.
    People aren’t anti-liberal they’re simply unaware it exists for linguistic & other reasons.

    Liberalism is soft on criminals – which inherently makes it harder for non-mainstream elites to assimilate.
    Civil society among minorities is controlled by extremists & this has been a complaint of Thulean type leftists for decades.
    Those types control criminal cadre which regularly kill those who get far out of line.
    The state is simply Service Delivery + Violence.

    Both are increasingly dominated by private actors which have a parochial vs universal (enlightenment) mandate.
    There’s a strong rational argument of Liberalism for thee (whites) but not for me.
    That you don’t see this is your problem.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Some believe that is why Iran cracksdown on people walking their dogs - they want to undercut any convergence with America.

  362. @Sher Singh
    @Yevardian

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/fags.png

    Greasy is a Jew - Karlin has heavy Jewish ancestry.
    Their homophilia is simply tribalism.

    Their support of open borders is simply a desire for Brown rape.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Anatoly Karlin is only around 2% or 3% Jewish by ancestry lol.

    And Yes, if one genuinely supports *real* equity for non-whites, then one needs to support giving them access to all of the white booty that their hearts desire, provided that this white booty itself consents to this, of course.

    Throw in as much cute Asian waifus as they want as well.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'd rather you just let us settle personal disputes through murder.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  363. @Greasy William
    @Barbarossa

    No, my nephews are great. Other people comment on how sweet and well behaved they are.

    And I love them. I just don't enjoy caring for them. In fact, I hate it.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I’m glad to hear that your nephews are great. It must just be you. It’s probably just best for all parties involved if you don’t have kids then. I’m not saying that in a judgemental way, I think it’s important to recognize one’s limitations and not try to ignore them for the wrong justifications.

    I personally really enjoy being around and caring for my kids in various ways and I know plenty of other fathers who do as well.

    I’ll still completely disagree that children are in any way gay as a blanket statement even if you feel like it’s the case for yourself.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    Grats on the ੫th.

    Easier to raise kids in the country -
    The pinko swine you have is a healthier variety.

    I like playing with kids - feeding & clothing them is not my job. Encouraging violence is.

    https://youtu.be/3x5BFftW0K4

    Jatt fan Hitler da

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    I wouldn't rush to recommend GW to abstain from becoming a father based just on a sentence where he was most likely exaggerating. Nature has taken care of this problem after millions of years of evolution and releases a storm of oxytocins when you have children of your own to make sure you are a caring parent and the species is preserved (the only thing evolution cares about).

    To be fair, this effect is probably much stronger in the average woman but you and I know that it's also powerful in us men. I actually think that men change with age and older men make better fathers in the modern environment. When we are younger we probably have too much testosterone and other hormones counteracting the action of oxytocins, as they probably should, to make sure that we don't spend too much time in the cave mesmerized with our children and carry on hunting and defending the tribe.

    That's probably also why grandparents are so good babysitters. I've read that one of the reason why we humans are so long-lived compared to most other animals is the evolutionary advantage of having grandparents participate in the rearing of our offspring, that takes much longer to mature than all other species. Women appear to to be the only mammals who live very long after the end of their reproductive capability and this is the most likely reason.

    , @Greasy William
    @Barbarossa

    Yeah I was never meant to have kids. I'm not a kid hater, I just hate childcare.

    Historically, I'm not sure that men had to do too much childcare. The child rearing was mostly left to the wife and the in laws with the father maybe helping a little bit on an as needed basis.

  364. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average
     
    Well, you’ve been pretty accurate after the first couple of months. For perhaps the banal reason that Russia has been failing, Theiner has not been in the same league of being wrong as has been MacGregor.

    What is your take on the attempt to take out the Patriot battery in Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin, @Sean

    This is a very off-topic question, but nevertheless, here goes:

    Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik and remained in World War I up to the very end but still experienced the first February/liberal-style revolution during the war, just how much gratitude would Ukrainians have shown towards the Russians for sacrificing millions of lives (many Ukrainians, but a majority consisting of Great Russians) so that Ukraine can be unified, albeit within a liberal Greater Russia? In such a scenario, Russia is likely to secure Galicia, Subcarpathian Ruthenia, and perhaps even the Lemko Land for an autonomous Ukraine (within a Greater Russia) at the end of World War I.

  365. Sean says:
    @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.

    Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.

    Replies: @Sean

    Working class organisation of yesteryears meant they could get pay rises greater than inflation. Meanwhile the middle class held wealth as bank deposits ECT that were eaten away by inflation. Currently the affluent hold their wealth as property and assets while the workers have lost their unions and are vulnerable to a rocketing cost of living

  366. @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I'm glad to hear that your nephews are great. It must just be you. It's probably just best for all parties involved if you don't have kids then. I'm not saying that in a judgemental way, I think it's important to recognize one's limitations and not try to ignore them for the wrong justifications.

    I personally really enjoy being around and caring for my kids in various ways and I know plenty of other fathers who do as well.

    I'll still completely disagree that children are in any way gay as a blanket statement even if you feel like it's the case for yourself.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel, @Greasy William

    Grats on the ੫th.

    Easier to raise kids in the country –
    The pinko swine you have is a healthier variety.

    I like playing with kids – feeding & clothing them is not my job. Encouraging violence is.

    Jatt fan Hitler da

    ਅਕਾਲ

  367. @Mr. XYZ
    @Sher Singh

    Anatoly Karlin is only around 2% or 3% Jewish by ancestry lol.

    And Yes, if one genuinely supports *real* equity for non-whites, then one needs to support giving them access to all of the white booty that their hearts desire, provided that this white booty itself consents to this, of course.

    Throw in as much cute Asian waifus as they want as well.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    I’d rather you just let us settle personal disputes through murder.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sher Singh

    Honor killings?

    Anyway, if you don't want the wrong kinds of immigrants *that* badly, just close the doors for them. Better than murder for sure!

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  368. @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.
     
    That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.

    Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.

    Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.

    Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.

    The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.

    The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.

    Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I wasn’t writing specifically for Russia, but for a lot of countries should learn more about India.

    For example, people know in electronic engineering and computer science, some of the main creators of the 19th century are Boole, De Morgan and Babbage. Their inspiration was partly India, as result of the contact of British and Indian peoples created by the British imperialism in India.

    Indian texts were only mostly translated in the beginning of the 19th century. Immediately, after 2 thousand years with no advancement in European logic, the influence of Indian logic partially inspired the creators of modern logic in 1830-65. This is an important theme if you read the biographies of this group, India was almost their main passion in life.

    De Morgan writes in 1859.

    At this very moment there still exists among the higher castes of the country – castes which exercise vast influence over the rest – a body of literature and science which might well be the nucleus of a new civilization, though every trace of Christian and Mohamedan civilization were blotted out of existence. They forget that there exists in India, under circumstances which prove a very high antiquity, a philosophical language which is one of the wonders of the world, and which is a near collateral of the Greek, if not its parent form. From those who wrote in this language we derive our system of arithmetic, and the algebra which is the most powerful instrument of modern analysis.

    http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/De_Morgan_1859_Preface.html

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    So where did Indians get this philosophical inclinations from ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

  369. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    I'd rather you just let us settle personal disputes through murder.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Honor killings?

    Anyway, if you don’t want the wrong kinds of immigrants *that* badly, just close the doors for them. Better than murder for sure!

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    No, I meant TND - disputes with women are never personal as they cannot be/are not 'persons'.

    I guess even TND isn't murder, more so wildlife control or animal abuse depending on one's inclinations.

  370. • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mikhail

    2 day old video of Zaluzhny "raised from coma" in video call - legs not shown, might be amputee perhaps or just all entirely fullest deep fake done by visual AI;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXCkzVA0hBY&t=67s

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  371. Fennec_Radar
    @RadarFennec
    Ukraine poured just under half of its brigades into Bakhmut and were not able to hold it. Taking immense casualties along the way in men and equipment.

    Losses that are irreplaceable for Ukraine. It is part of the reason the Spring Offensive never happened.

    Bakhmut was a trap.

    [MORE]

  372. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Elite human capital doesn't unequivocally support open borders. Garett Jones doesn't (he only supports it for cognitive elites, specifically for those who are the best of the best; the rest he thinks should have the right to work in the West but not to live/settle there permanently). Ruth Gavison didn't (she only supported it for Jews and close descendants of Jews for Israel; also, she spoke with pride about how Israel and various European countries have preferential immigration policies for their co-ethics in order to preserve their traditional ethnic character). Sam Harris doesn't (since open borders for Muslims would increase his own odds of getting murdered for "Islamophobic" speech; though he does support accepting culturally compatible Muslim refugees who are extremely hostile towards radical and illiberal segments of Islam).

    Liberals in Canada and Israel (the Jewish ones, at least) don't appear to be advocating for open borders for anyone other than cognitive elites (Canada) and close descendants of Jews (Israel). Canada does admit a good amount of refugees but nothing compared to how many refugees it would be compelled to accept under an open borders scheme.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Garrett Jones’ proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy. Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia – which needs to be suppressed), and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the “breaking wave” idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed. History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage. (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    effective altruists
     
    Whom under an open border regime would be swamped by the Third World morass. Already happening...
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    While you are fed this nonsense by elite humans they are making other plans they aren't telling you about.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tQ-f0mMddw&ab_channel=THEGREATRESET

    The Robert Ryan character uses the elite pronunciation of the word DATA!

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Garrett Jones’ proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy.
     
    Well, a cynic could say that the Third World deserves to lose its human capital after backing imperialist Russia rather than relatively anti-imperialist Ukraine in the current war.

    Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia – which needs to be suppressed),
     
    Harris is not Islamophobic per se. He has no problem with liberal and secular Muslims. He does have a problem with how Islam is currently practiced by a lot of Muslims in much of the world right now, though. Glad that you and him see eye to eye on fixing this. In the meantime, though, it's prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.

    and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.
     
    Here is an extraordinarily long article/book that she wrote:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228128038_The_Law_of_Return_at_Sixty_Years_History_Ideology_Justification

    FWIW, I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character. While constitutional/legal guarantees against this can exist, by this logic, such guarantees are not morally obligatory.

    Restricting speech and/or religion is less burdensome upon natives than restricting migration is upon non-natives, after all.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the “breaking wave” idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed.
     
    But didn't you previously argue against open borders even from an effective altruist perspective?

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigration-and-effective-altruism/

    With the argument being that it's significantly cheaper per person to help Third Worlders if they're stuck in the Third World than if they move to the First World? And also much better for the environment (much less global warming) as well?

    History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage.
     
    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I'm unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.

    Also, off-topic, but in regards to pork: You previously said that killing one pig is around 100 times worse than killing one chicken due to pigs being much smarter, correct? But isn't this significantly compensated by the fact that, right now, we kill about 60 chickens for every pig that we kill?

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60cb59ec491c9e72f748c48d/1643303792045-GAPINKLJA4W92IQ6E2EX/VOX.jpg

    1/60 and 1/100 are not cardinally different figures from each other.

    (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).
     
    I don't know if there was ever research indicating that women were, on average, duller than men, but Yeah, if Jones's research on average IQ and GDP was available 100+ years ago, chances are that some or even many people would have indeed used it to argue in favor of immigration restrictions as well as Jim Crow. Here's an early 1920s article talking about the allegedly lower average IQs of recent European immigrants to the US, for instance:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/6403.pdf

    And Jim Crow ensured that the Southern US would have a smarter electorate than it would otherwise have by preventing duller blacks and poor whites from voting in a lot of cases.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

  373. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average
     
    Well, you’ve been pretty accurate after the first couple of months. For perhaps the banal reason that Russia has been failing, Theiner has not been in the same league of being wrong as has been MacGregor.

    What is your take on the attempt to take out the Patriot battery in Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin, @Sean

    True – but Theiner’s calls are extreme and often absurd. If you want a consistently accurate prognosticator, there’s many vastly better candidates – Michael Kofman, Rob Lee, Igor Strelkov, even Binkov’s Battlegrounds on YouTube come to mind. What distinguishes them is that are hedged and far more cautious than the glue huffers on both sides.

    I don’t have an opinion on the Patriot debate. That it’s moronic and negative value added can be surmised from the fact that respective positions can be crisply predicted from one’s alignment on the Z/NAFO spectrum. I am interested in stocks and flows in manpower and materiel, as that’s what will actually determine outcomes.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Open borders work fine if the "level of civilization" is similar on both sides of the border. If this is not the case, then open borders are a sign that someone inside a country wants to change it, apparently for the worse in most cases.

  374. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    I know. By the way my insults are directed at Karlin only, not the Russian people in general.

    It's also a tactic of literary background, 激將法 jījiàngfǎ


    First attested at the end of Chapter 70* of Romance of the Three Kingdoms:

    to goad someone into action by the means of reverse psychology, as by ridicule, sarcasm, etc.
     
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/激將法

    * In that case it was to belittle a general as incapable due to old age, who got fired up and then led his army to victory.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I understand this, but where I was raised, it was seen as non-honorable to still beat someone who was already knocked to the ground. Some people did it, but I never did. When one is weakened and disoriented, insulting or beating this person doesn’t help.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    When did he get knocked to the ground? He didn't even join the fight, and goaded on others to do the fighting for him. And tens of thousands have already died.

    How would you like it if I as an outsider was inciting for a war between Slavic peoples?



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1498119654908309505?s=20

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  375. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    I wasn't writing specifically for Russia, but for a lot of countries should learn more about India.

    For example, people know in electronic engineering and computer science, some of the main creators of the 19th century are Boole, De Morgan and Babbage. Their inspiration was partly India, as result of the contact of British and Indian peoples created by the British imperialism in India.

    Indian texts were only mostly translated in the beginning of the 19th century. Immediately, after 2 thousand years with no advancement in European logic, the influence of Indian logic partially inspired the creators of modern logic in 1830-65. This is an important theme if you read the biographies of this group, India was almost their main passion in life.

    De Morgan writes in 1859.



    At this very moment there still exists among the higher castes of the country - castes which exercise vast influence over the rest - a body of literature and science which might well be the nucleus of a new civilization, though every trace of Christian and Mohamedan civilization were blotted out of existence. They forget that there exists in India, under circumstances which prove a very high antiquity, a philosophical language which is one of the wonders of the world, and which is a near collateral of the Greek, if not its parent form. From those who wrote in this language we derive our system of arithmetic, and the algebra which is the most powerful instrument of modern analysis.
     
    http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/De_Morgan_1859_Preface.html

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    So where did Indians get this philosophical inclinations from ?

    🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    It is a strategy for looking busy with important matters while the women do the work.

    Not confined to India.

    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool

    You think it is something about magic mushrooms. https://edtimes.in/a-brief-history-of-mind-altering-drugs-in-ancient-india/

    This hypothesis can perhaps explain the birth of the "imaginative" art, architecture and combinations of spices. But the development of logical distinctions, which is interesting for the modernization of logic by De Morgan and Boole. This is possibly related to the talkative culture of India, if you believe any of the ancient culture is still reflecting in the modern Indians.

    If you know many Indians, the lack of discussion, is not one of their cultural "weaknesses". After enough talking about practical topics, you are talking about talking. This is where the self-conscious logic begins with the metadata.

  376. @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    My religion supports Total Nigger Death.
    ==
    Depression confirmed GAY

    https://twitter.com/spandrell3/status/1659847100946083840?s=20

    You'll start lecturing us on what Dharma really means.
    That's part of the Whib Lib/Faggot ID.
    I'll call you a white supremacist & point out you're being replaced.
    You'll seethe & go elsewhere.
    --

    You have 2 1/2 blind spots in understanding 'wokeness'.


    First you see ideology as a personal belief (christian influence).
    Instead - it is a product of institutions, networks & assimilation.
    Rightoids are extremely parochial & myopic.
    They underestimate the level of cultural distance WITHIN a nation state & overestimate it outside.
    This is because they are ultimately failed liberals (post enlightenment Whites).

     


    Second you underestimate the LOCAL/Regional influence of communal elites.
    You also discount the impact of demographics & what Liberalism entails.
    Western Governments have been offloading service delivery & consultation to NGOs for 3 decades.
    Many of these NGOS or 'private actors' are communal organizations specific to 1 tribe or ethnos.
    Wokeness as a rule supports non-white or minority Communal orgs, while suppressing those of the majority.
     

    A Weaker/Woke Russia isn't one in which Chechens support gay marriage.
    It's one where Chechen elites IN Moscow signal tolerance - while leaving the door open for Kadyrov.
    On the local (street) level it involves police pulling back from Gang violence against ethnic Russians by others.
    See above - a criminal with a communal org backing is an insurgent.
     

    Dr. Christopher Larsen US Army Ret'd defines an insurgent as an embedded (civilian) fighter enacting a grievance.
    The men in the field are guerillas - in one way, ANY ethnically motivated actor with backing is an insurgent.
     

    Rightoids see ethnic differences (status) as inherent.
    You apply the same to ideology.
    There is only the Sword - people follow the strong horse.
     
    https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/


    "Ash Sarkar is anti-white because she is a fervent assimilationist into white elite culture. If she had been born in 19th century Britain she would be an imperialist. This explains the paradox of non-white leftist women who exclusively date and marry white men"
     
    There is no will or attempt to assimilate or integrate non-whites at this point.
    Wignats are simply unable to imagine what a 80% non-white city in North America or the West is like.
    You're the other side of a coin (Wignats) which fails to see what an 80% non-white city is like.
    People aren't anti-liberal they're simply unaware it exists for linguistic & other reasons.

    Liberalism is soft on criminals - which inherently makes it harder for non-mainstream elites to assimilate.
    Civil society among minorities is controlled by extremists & this has been a complaint of Thulean type leftists for decades.
    Those types control criminal cadre which regularly kill those who get far out of line.
    The state is simply Service Delivery + Violence.

    Both are increasingly dominated by private actors which have a parochial vs universal (enlightenment) mandate.
    There's a strong rational argument of Liberalism for thee (whites) but not for me.
    That you don't see this is your problem.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/962860873435713557/1098207309504716810/IMG_20230312_152607.jpg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    Some believe that is why Iran cracksdown on people walking their dogs – they want to undercut any convergence with America.

  377. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Garrett Jones' proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy. Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia - which needs to be suppressed), and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the "breaking wave" idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed. History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage. (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    effective altruists

    Whom under an open border regime would be swamped by the Third World morass. Already happening…

  378. @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    The Czechs did; not the Poles.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Side with Germany in 1938?

  379. LEHIGHTON, Pennsylvania, May 20 (Reuters) – George Stawnyczyj voted for Donald Trump twice. On domestic policy, he gives the former president top marks. But he’ll stay home on Election Day should Trump win his party’s nomination to take on Joe Biden in 2024.

    Stawnyczyj is an official in the Republican Party in rural Carbon County, Pennsylvania. He’s also Ukrainian-American and can’t stomach Trump’s criticism of aid payments to war-torn Ukraine nor his habit of complimenting Vladimir Putin.

    “The way Trump is talking right now, getting into bed with Putin, there’s no way I can support him,” Stawnyczyj, a retired truck driver, told Reuters at his home in the Appalachian Mountains.

    The votes of Ukrainian-Americans – traditionally a Republican-leaning bloc – could have an outsize impact on the 2024 general election, according to some lawmakers, strategists and advocates, plus a Reuters analysis of U.S. census data.

    While the number of Americans who identify as being of Ukrainian descent is relatively small at about 1 million, they are densely distributed in a string of unusually competitive areas where their votes could potentially be decisive.

    In Pennsylvania and Michigan, the size of the Ukrainian-American community outstrips Trump’s margin of victory in 2016, according to the analysis. In at least 13 congressional districts across the country, it exceeds or roughly matches the margin of victory by either party in the 2022 midterm elections.

    Stawnyczyj is one of many Ukrainian-Americans who plan to sit out the 2024 election or even vote Democrat for the first time, according to interviews with 22 Ukrainian-American activists, elected officials, community leaders and voters, as well as a dozen officials and strategists that interact with the community.
    ……………………………
    In Pennsylvania, about 92,000 people identify as Ukrainian-American – more than double Trump’s margin of victory here in 2016 of 44,000 votes, and also exceeding Biden’s margin of 81,000 in 2020, according to the Reuters analysis. Michigan has roughly 33,000 Ukrainian-Americans, more than Trump’s 2016 margin of about 11,000 votes.

    The 13 congressional districts where the community is larger than or similar to the margins of victory in the midterms were identified in New York state, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Washington state, Connecticut, California and Colorado. Republicans and Democrats won about half of the districts each.

    The Census Bureau produces estimates of the Ukrainian-American population based on an annual nationwide survey. While the data does not provide information on the age of Americans in most states and congressional districts who identify as having Ukrainian ancestry, the bureau says about four-fifths of the overall Ukrainian-American population is of voting age.

    In the coalfields of eastern Pennsylvania where Stawnyczyj lives and where the Republican and Democratic parties fight tooth-and-nail for control, the Ukrainian population exceeds 10% in some towns.

    Democratic U.S. Representative Susan Wild, who won Stawnyczyj’s district by less than 5,000 votes in 2022, said that courting the Ukrainian-American vote would be crucial.

    She is in regular contact with her district’s Ukrainian community, members of which donated to her campaign and made calls on her behalf in the last election.

    “When you’re talking about races like the one I came out of with really small margins, even a small bloc of people makes a big difference,” she said in an interview.

    “Certainly in Pennsylvania, it will make a difference.”
    …………………………

    Stawnyczyj, the Republican official in Carbon County, said he liked Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey. His friend Michael Saciw said he favored former Vice President Mike Pence. Neither of those politicians has declared a presidential bid, though both are openly pondering it.

    Both Christie and Pence have consistently backed aid for Ukraine.

    “If Trump wins, he’s not getting my vote,” said Saciw, who was born in Ukraine. “And a lot of people around here feel the same way.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-or-desantis-neither-say-ukrainian-american-voters-angry-war-stance-2023-05-20/

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Might be curious to see how blacks are viewing the war in Ukraine. They must resent the outpouring of liberal support with cash and gear for the very white looking ukies.
    The resentment won’t amount to a shift in votes but the general attitudes among the niggers ought to be accounted for.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Greasy William

  380. @Mr. XYZ
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Well, what specifically did the Chinese do here that was provocative enough to warrant their level of treatment by the Japanese?

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The Tribe aren’t sending their best to Karlinstan. Go read my past posts.

    The Chinese allied with Nazis

    And this Japanese saved more of your people than Schindler,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara

  381. Very “based orthodox Christian” country behaviour regarding domestic Koran burning – throwing the man after this to the muslim majority jail:

    The Minister of Justice of the Russian Federation Konstantin Chuichenko told us that he considers it right to send the person who committed the arson of the Koran near the Cathedral Mosque in Volgograd after the verdict to a correctional colony in the region, where the Muslim population prevails.

    “We consider it necessary and correct, after the verdict is passed, to send the person who committed the crime to serve his sentence in one of the correctional institutions located in a region with a predominantly Muslim population. This will contribute to respect for religion and religious feelings of believers in our multinational and multi-confessional country,” he stressed.

    https://t.me/tass_agency/192871

    Muslim occupied gay Sweden can’t even be compared with such based Jesus defenders;)

  382. @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I understand this, but where I was raised, it was seen as non-honorable to still beat someone who was already knocked to the ground. Some people did it, but I never did. When one is weakened and disoriented, insulting or beating this person doesn't help.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    When did he get knocked to the ground? He didn’t even join the fight, and goaded on others to do the fighting for him. And tens of thousands have already died.

    How would you like it if I as an outsider was inciting for a war between Slavic peoples?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Well yeah, I have to agree with you on that. But some people are born to be warriors and others to be thinkers. The combination of both is rare. That is why it is precious. Anatoly is a thinker first and foremost. And once the current crisis is behind us and the dust is settled down, I look forward to his great achievements in the intellectual fields related to his central interests and concerns. BTW, you have probably noticed that I have a great deal of respect for your way of seeing things, but you are sometimes a bit maximalist. Of course it happens to the best of us. But life is shades of gray, not a sharp black and white picture.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  383. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn't seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can't find a book.

    https://youtu.be/1O3NVRlbnSY

    Replies: @German_reader

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths.

    Are there actually even any Roman myths in the sense the Greeks had? I can’t think of any (unless you count Aneas and the Roman foundation myth), it’s mostly quasi-historical stories from the time of the kings and the early to mid-Republic (Horatius at the bridge etc.).
    Don’t know what the current consensus on archaic Roman religion is, iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods. In any case there was strong Greek influence from quite early on.

    : thanks for the movie recommendation!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.

    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge


    iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods
     
    Tacitus claimed that Germans had idols but didn't anthropomorphize their gods. If he was correct, this seems to have later changed, but it is difficult to say when.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

  384. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    I don't make any claims to being elite human capital, though the behavior patterns of elite human capital interest me, and I think I have some relevant observations and comment to make on that topic.

    Incidentally, one rather core and definitive observation is that elite human capital is repelled by r*ghtoids of any stripe. I thought Putin's Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing. Everything r*ghtoid-adjacent I ever wrote has been invalidated, and while the net balance is probably still positive, it still represents a massive liquidation of accumulated intellectual investments.

    My identification is as a "thing" or an "object" and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a "man" with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is "toxic masculinity" AFAIK, but regardless, it's something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ, @Yevardian, @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader

    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle

    That’s just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin’s Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity. It’s just a not very efficient personal rule whose proponents are obsessed with great power status and competition with the West, same as Russia always was. Granted, this is now more obvious than it was before the war in Ukraine, but even before it’s not like Putin was ever able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
    And your main mistake wasn’t so much hanging out with “rightoids”, but absurd cheerleading for a war that has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Which you could have known was a real risk, but your wishful thinking and imperial power fantasy larping overwhelmed your critical thinking skills.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).

    That’s seriously depressing, doesn’t sound happy at all. Hopefully you’ll find a way out of this mental malaise again.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    reconciling tradition and modernity...able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
     
    That is true, and that is also the fundamental problem with all other potential alternatives: China, Islam, India, "Black" power... The critiques can be very effective but they proposes to replace something faulty - maybe even slowly collapsing - with nothing, or with shallow, simplified, hard to understand set of normalizing ideas. Those are refuges, intellectual compounds, not something that can attract most people.

    But when you ask for a positive vision you raise the bar too high. Why do we need one? The Western uber-liberalism is self-destructing with increasingly less chance for a reversal. It is demographically dead, economically removed from the material realities, ideologically unbelievably hypocritical - and it abandoned its metaphysical core.

    Simply standing aside and surviving is a win. You are looking for an external shake-up, but there won't be one. At some point the last homo will scribble his last tweet about equity, world-without-borders, Georgie Floyd #99, and then disappear mouthing "all you need is love" or some other inane stupidity. The positive vision will be what is left standing. And we will go from there.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    That’s just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin’s Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity.
     
    You mean the propagandistic photo opts including Putler and the ex-cigarette peddler Kyrill, didn't persuade you?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

  385. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Garrett Jones' proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy. Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia - which needs to be suppressed), and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the "breaking wave" idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed. History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage. (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    While you are fed this nonsense by elite humans they are making other plans they aren’t telling you about.

    The Robert Ryan character uses the elite pronunciation of the word DATA!

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  386. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    So where did Indians get this philosophical inclinations from ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    It is a strategy for looking busy with important matters while the women do the work.

    Not confined to India.

  387. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    When did he get knocked to the ground? He didn't even join the fight, and goaded on others to do the fighting for him. And tens of thousands have already died.

    How would you like it if I as an outsider was inciting for a war between Slavic peoples?



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1498119654908309505?s=20

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well yeah, I have to agree with you on that. But some people are born to be warriors and others to be thinkers. The combination of both is rare. That is why it is precious. Anatoly is a thinker first and foremost. And once the current crisis is behind us and the dust is settled down, I look forward to his great achievements in the intellectual fields related to his central interests and concerns. BTW, you have probably noticed that I have a great deal of respect for your way of seeing things, but you are sometimes a bit maximalist. Of course it happens to the best of us. But life is shades of gray, not a sharp black and white picture.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm amazed by your credulity. If Johnson all the sudden switched teams and starts shilling for Putin would you take him at his word? That's the caliber of aboutface we've seen with Karlin. He's also started a Substack which he flaked out on.

    That said, his Sinotriumphalist clickbaits circa 2019 were what partly brought me here as commenter.

    Separately, if Russia's future is to pivot East, its better to get to know more than only China-- but Japan and SK as well.

    It came upon me that Fields Medalist Maxim Kontsevich's father is a renown expert on Koreanistik, a field which Russia seems to be a leader in

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корееведение

    The Japanese-American actor in Rising Sun and Mortal Kombat, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, converted to Orthodox and Russian citizenship. I can't think of a Chinese ethnic who's done the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2XSgeM7LQ

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

  388. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle
     
    That's just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin's Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity. It's just a not very efficient personal rule whose proponents are obsessed with great power status and competition with the West, same as Russia always was. Granted, this is now more obvious than it was before the war in Ukraine, but even before it's not like Putin was ever able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
    And your main mistake wasn't so much hanging out with "rightoids", but absurd cheerleading for a war that has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Which you could have known was a real risk, but your wishful thinking and imperial power fantasy larping overwhelmed your critical thinking skills.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).
     
    That's seriously depressing, doesn't sound happy at all. Hopefully you'll find a way out of this mental malaise again.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    reconciling tradition and modernity…able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.

    That is true, and that is also the fundamental problem with all other potential alternatives: China, Islam, India, “Black” power… The critiques can be very effective but they proposes to replace something faulty – maybe even slowly collapsing – with nothing, or with shallow, simplified, hard to understand set of normalizing ideas. Those are refuges, intellectual compounds, not something that can attract most people.

    But when you ask for a positive vision you raise the bar too high. Why do we need one? The Western uber-liberalism is self-destructing with increasingly less chance for a reversal. It is demographically dead, economically removed from the material realities, ideologically unbelievably hypocritical – and it abandoned its metaphysical core.

    Simply standing aside and surviving is a win. You are looking for an external shake-up, but there won’t be one. At some point the last homo will scribble his last tweet about equity, world-without-borders, Georgie Floyd #99, and then disappear mouthing “all you need is love” or some other inane stupidity. The positive vision will be what is left standing. And we will go from there.

    • Agree: German_reader, Ivashka the fool
  389. RSDB says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Or there is always this guy.

    https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

    His process sounds like an utter miserable pain in the ass. I think you would have to exceptionally neurotic to undertake such a regimen.

    Replies: @RSDB

    Everybody has to have something to live for; some people undergo torments for love of truth, other people undergo torments so that they might possibly look a little younger than they otherwise would.

    [MORE]

    And after many a summer dies the swan.
    Me only cruel immortality
    Consumes: I wither slowly in thine arms,
    Here at the quiet limit of the world,
    A white-hair’d shadow roaming like a dream
    The ever-silent spaces of the East,
    Far-folded mists, and gleaming halls of morn.

    There was a Huxley novel named after this poem, After Many a Summer, rather less well known than Brave New World, which is somewhat interesting in this connection although my recollection of it is spotty.

  390. @German_reader
    @songbird


    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths.
     
    Are there actually even any Roman myths in the sense the Greeks had? I can't think of any (unless you count Aneas and the Roman foundation myth), it's mostly quasi-historical stories from the time of the kings and the early to mid-Republic (Horatius at the bridge etc.).
    Don't know what the current consensus on archaic Roman religion is, iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods. In any case there was strong Greek influence from quite early on.

    @Wokechoke: thanks for the movie recommendation!

    Replies: @songbird

    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.

    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge

    iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods

    Tacitus claimed that Germans had idols but didn’t anthropomorphize their gods. If he was correct, this seems to have later changed, but it is difficult to say when.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    You could read the first ten books of Livy (ignoring Yevardian's condemnation of it as boring). It should have all the classic stories from the regal and early republican period (rape of Lucretia, Horatii, Verginia, Cincinnatus at his plow etc.). Other than that, Dionysius of Halikarnassos? Have never read him myself, but my understanding is that he and Livy are the primary extant sources in that regard.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Yevardian
    @songbird


    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.
     
    Adding the disclaimer that my own area of interest Antiquity is on the Near-East and Greece, I could add a few things I've heard or read on the topic of Roman religion.

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The Hellenisation of the Romans of course began with the most educated people, but unfortunately that class is naturally the one which we have nigh-all the surviving written evidence from, so the nature of 'indigenous' Roman religion/mythology/ritual might be one area were archaeology can tell us more than the works of writers like Livy and Ovid (his one surviving work is both enormous and extremely dense, btw), who are all late anyway.

    Something you might find of interest though, is that Greek mythology is considered almost useless for reconstructing any Proto-IndoEuropean religion, since the pre-IE 'Pelasgian' influence and that of the Near-East are admixed in Greek classical religion to such an overwhelming degree.
    A very large number of Greek deities (and vocabulary more generally, e.g. quite basic words θαλασα -'sea') can't be found to have any cognates from any surviving language group, and thus probably came from 'pelasgian'.

    Conversely Roman mythology (or least, their deities' names and associated ritual practice) is considered much more important for PIE studies in that regard, being less permeated by 'foreign' influences. This seems like quite an unintuitive finding to me, considering the Romans were at the northernmost frontier of the Latin world bordering the Etruscans (who may have subjugated them for a century, I know Gladiator fights at funerals were borrowed from them), but apparenty, the consensus is that this is the case.


    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.
     
    Hittite religion was (unsurprisingly) particularly syncretistic, as it was practiced in a region bordering several advanced non-IE civilisations, whilst also living amongst surviving non-IE Anatolian populations (Hatti, Urartu, Hurrian, pre-Lykian, presumably dozens more unwritten or leaving no surviving records).

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    Then again, if you just like the fables themselves and aren't interested in their deeper anthropological origins, Livy and Ovid are indeed the main surviving sources for them.
    Livy in particular seems to have been feebleminded enough to have sincerely believed in it (reminded me Xenophon's simple piety), whilst Ovid's attitude is heavily ironic.

    I might differ from Bashibuzuk or Sher Singh in that I don't believe there's any special or arcane widsom to be derived from ancient PIE folktales, although admittedly any traditional religion is a valuable prophylactic against the sort of pitiable freakshow that Herr Karlin has chosen to get into.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LondonBob, @German_reader

  391. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle
     
    That's just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin's Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity. It's just a not very efficient personal rule whose proponents are obsessed with great power status and competition with the West, same as Russia always was. Granted, this is now more obvious than it was before the war in Ukraine, but even before it's not like Putin was ever able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
    And your main mistake wasn't so much hanging out with "rightoids", but absurd cheerleading for a war that has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Which you could have known was a real risk, but your wishful thinking and imperial power fantasy larping overwhelmed your critical thinking skills.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).
     
    That's seriously depressing, doesn't sound happy at all. Hopefully you'll find a way out of this mental malaise again.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin’s Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity.

    You mean the propagandistic photo opts including Putler and the ex-cigarette peddler Kyrill, didn’t persuade you?

  392. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle
     
    That's just absurd, there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate that Putin's Russia had hit upon a system successfully reconciling the best elements of tradition and modernity. It's just a not very efficient personal rule whose proponents are obsessed with great power status and competition with the West, same as Russia always was. Granted, this is now more obvious than it was before the war in Ukraine, but even before it's not like Putin was ever able to formulate a positive vision (different thing from pointing out the manifest flaws, double standards and hypocrisy of the West) that could attract intelligent people.
    And your main mistake wasn't so much hanging out with "rightoids", but absurd cheerleading for a war that has turned out to be an unmitigated disaster. Which you could have known was a real risk, but your wishful thinking and imperial power fantasy larping overwhelmed your critical thinking skills.

    My identification is as a “thing” or an “object” and am far happier with this identity than I ever was as a “man” with all of its confusing obligations and expectations (the formal term is “toxic masculinity” AFAIK, but regardless, it’s something I no longer have to think or concern myself with).
     
    That's seriously depressing, doesn't sound happy at all. Hopefully you'll find a way out of this mental malaise again.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin’s RF was an exception (as described in Russia’s Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn’t. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it’s ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world’s most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    "Rightoids" (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated
     
    The only thing that has been invalidated is the "Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated" nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don't be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Ok. In other words, you've decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Sher Singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25482019

    https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/04/15/the-taliban-were-afghanistans-real-modernizers/

    https://scholars-stage.org/learning-from-our-defeat-the-madrassas-and-the-modern/

    The estrogenic stress as you come off cycle turns you gay. You're basically half white half Tajik & have the same overly intellectual cringed takes they do.

    Too analytic to be brown - too dark, parochial & aggressive to be white yet not enough aggro to be among us. That's the real 3rd culture alienation. Good that you lift though.
    --

    Wondering if you consider weapons exemptions in dozens of countries 'winning' & how that squares with who you think is 'rightoid'.

    There's more than one type of trans national modernity.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25482019

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Coconuts
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    The rightoid win with Neo-Conservatism back in the 80s has ended up involving the sacrifice of a lot of the cultural right, but arguably the pay off for the economic right-wing and a certain form of Liberalism has been very significant (in a decades spanning way). I think this is why often the current left can seem so much like yet more colourful sock puppets for this perspective.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Accelerationist techno-anarchism ?

    Looks interesting.

    Are you going to write about it in more detail?
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The rightist intellectual class can be impressive at times, but Yeah, a lot of the rightist proles aren't exactly super-inspiring. Such as when they bought into Trump's 2020 election lies, COVID vaccine denial, deep state conspiracies, et cetera.

    Worth noting, of course, that it's possible that some of the rightist intellectual class has migrated to the Democrats or at least become neutral over the last couple of decades due to them being purged by the right. "Respectable Right" figures like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger, for instance.

    Russian nationalists should embrace Israeli-style pro-natalism along with a post-WWII German-style aversion to militarism and guilt culture, with Ukrainians becoming Russia's holy cow just like Jews became Germany's holy cow post-WWII. Imagine Russia being led by a highly technocratic Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) in the late 21st century while having a TFR of 2.5. Now that would be epic and would likely result in a Renaissance for Russia were this to ever occur.

    BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and Middle suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine's suffering, including Ukraine's involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You're going too far Anatoly. Wokism is also a loser ideology. Conservatives win on the vast majority of issues. They just hate recognising that fact. The function of the modern political system is a process of trial and error where the two sides, conservatives and progressives represent one of each of the two tendencies.

    For example, progressives trial gay marriage and, let's all be honest, the conservative arguments against it have been proven ridiculous. It was a good thing and everybody thinks it is fine now. This is not a conspiracy but blatantly true. The reaction against it is a mere psychological tendency and those who are victims of their own psychological tendencies are inferior. Lower forms of consciousness that make themselves feel good by dunking on the people who can't even do basic logic. Well, they can't even do basic self-reflection. They've lost their sunglasses on their head and over their eyes!

    But, while inferior, importantly, they are part of the overall market and therefore paradoxically their opinion counts. They are valued, loved and necessary. Just like the people lacking even the spiritual uplift, abstract thinking, to do basic logic.

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair, and progressives see it and it gives them the confidence to keep risking. Again, these are co-dependent psychological or spiritual tendendicss, enacted on the political stage. Indeed, this tendency to react this way is what creates those movements, out if the conglomeration of millions or billions of differently split-minded neurotics, psychotics and perverts.

    All made from mud and, not fallen, but just working their way into something less earth bound.

    And so and but conservatives are blind to winning on crime (repeatedly), capitalism (constantly), the government supporting families etc etc etc. Basically, everything is a conservative victory. Until it very occasionally isn't, and then conservatives doom and act like they never won. Again, a psychological tendency.

    Conservatives: "Oh my god, the prevalence of a strict and male-jeaded nuclear family does not fit with my mostly false image of the past and even in an age when contraception and unimaginable material security has changed the conditions of life. Maybe I'll have to adjust my neurotic expectations accordingly!!!"

    Progressives: "this technological change means that everyone will live in communal families and experiment constantly because...oh they won't...well then it'll make this change...oh that doesn't work..then this one...now this one...finally, success, see I'm on the right side of history."

    But perhaps I misunderstand you and by "rightoids" you mean dissidents of all stripes. Dissidents are generally losers. From Jew obsessives who are akin to individual middle class investors who think they've devised a simple formulae to predict the stock market, thereby advertising their intense psychosis, to all of the esoteric stuff. Against this, political market trackers win and strick market trackers win. Hayek was right but he didn't understand that modern politics is also an information processing machine and that it would defeat those arguing for just one of its components, the free market in terms of efficacy. I.e the free market is one function of the bigger info processing machine .

    Anyway, basically your progressive turn, a reaction to your temporary derangement on the war, as caused by many factors, is an equal and opposite derangement, but as a psychological balancing mechanism, probably not unhealthy for you. Nonetheless, the political market tracker tends conservative and is open to progressives. That's what will happen. The result of that process. The best thing to do is to accept your own mental insignificance in the face of the world, and the universe, and gravitate your opinion to where the smart and successfull people are. This will be conservative neoliberalism with some woke rhetoric until it isn't. Chasing alpha in this field is pointless unless you speak to God directly.

    And again, maybe this is what you're actually doing. Otherwise, just support policies that will, in the short-run benefit people's lives in boring practical ways. That's all you can know and predict. There isn't alpha there, but it works, and, if you're intensely against something that others see as boringly helpful to their lives and keep allowing, please understand that you're likely to be wrong, not the information processing machine that is everything that you can't possibly conceptualise.

    As for AI, don't worry. It'll be fine. Maybe invest in somewhere that would be great for extremely long holidays. Spring cities are cool. Spring cities with beaches and politically passive populations are better. Black people do commit too much crime, almost everywhere, so avoid areas dominated by them. I should probably follow my own advice but I have my conceptualisation of my own duties and enjoy them.

    Finally, if you're looking for a point, first resolve your contradictions into the paradoxes you can understand, then you'll see.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Last message, throttled and banned, @Coconuts

  393. Diversity is our strength! – Putin

    Russia is a discount version of the West

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Matra

    So this is favoring RusFed over Russia?

    , @German_reader
    @Matra

    I don't really disagree with your larger point, but Putin's comments here seem to be a reaction to all those Western proposals for the "decolonization" of the Russian Federation (that is breaking it up into dozens of statelets and presumably encouraging interethnic conflict, with ethnic Russians cast as evil colonizers oppressing Tatars and others). Given that context, his statement seems unremarkable to me, not really comparable to the bs we get in the West.

    , @Dmitry
    @Matra

    Putin is kind of being honest, as this is probably one of the things the historians will see as a practical attainment of his time, assimilation of the local nationalities, reduction of some of the Soviet neurosis.*

    In 2000-2008, he could talk about the economic growth. But economy almost doesn't grow since 2008.

    Before 2020, something about the improving public health, reduction of deaths from alcohol, but they didn't manage the coronavirus pandemic and there were some of the highest deaths in the world in that area.

    Before 2022, he would say something about the modernization of the army, but now it became too open secret this was mainly funding modernization of the champagne industry in France.

    -

    *
    But nowadays importing of street fights between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan to cities without history of this, probably less positively viewed than the assimilation of local nationalities.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPlhLc5JAYw.

    , @LondonBob
    @Matra

    Thing is Russia does contain different peoples who very much have a right to their own territories within the Russian Federation, it really isn't comparable to what we in the West are experiencing due to mass immigration, multiculturalism and the culture of critique. Regardless of this fact it is by large clear that the Russian ethnicity and culture is protected as the core of the Russian nation whilst allowing for regional identities.

    Very obvious that the globohomo strategy is play up regional differences and grievances in China and Russia, imagine if Breton separatism was promoted in France, Cornish in England, or the many different regional identities in Spain.

  394. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.

    “Rightoids” (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated

    The only thing that has been invalidated is the “Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated” nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don’t be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Ok. In other words, you’ve decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @German_reader

    The suffix "-oids" often stems from Android, as in robotic. But your version is good, too.

    I wonder if Mr. K has become a mutant form of globalist?

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    The only thing that has been invalidated is the “Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated” nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
     
    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia's sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany's sacred cows. If Russia can also experience a baby boom like post-WWII Germany did, then that would be even better.

    Russian nationalists want Russians to act like Israeli Jews but couldn't get Russians to breed anywhere near as much as Israeli Jews breed. Were Russia to boost its TFR to 2.5 and keep it there for at least 2-3 decades, Russia could experience an unprecedented Renaissance, especially if it is led by a Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) during this time.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Barbarossa
    @German_reader


    Rightoids” (why the *?Rightoids” (why the *?
     
    AK's personal war-on-one vowel-per-group-I-despise is a strangely annoying rhetorical flourish.

    As Ivashka said upthread, Karlin is a smart guy and it's too bad to see him identifying as an object (whatever inscrutable thing that is supposed to mean). I hope he rediscovers the joys of being a man again. Despite the way he feels I've certainly never found my manhood to have any intractable connotations of loserhood. I wish him the best.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    You're certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I'm signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    Replies: @Beckow, @helloid, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

  395. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    True - but Theiner's calls are extreme and often absurd. If you want a consistently accurate prognosticator, there's many vastly better candidates - Michael Kofman, Rob Lee, Igor Strelkov, even Binkov's Battlegrounds on YouTube come to mind. What distinguishes them is that are hedged and far more cautious than the glue huffers on both sides.

    I don't have an opinion on the Patriot debate. That it's moronic and negative value added can be surmised from the fact that respective positions can be crisply predicted from one's alignment on the Z/NAFO spectrum. I am interested in stocks and flows in manpower and materiel, as that's what will actually determine outcomes.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Open borders work fine if the “level of civilization” is similar on both sides of the border. If this is not the case, then open borders are a sign that someone inside a country wants to change it, apparently for the worse in most cases.

  396. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.

    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge


    iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods
     
    Tacitus claimed that Germans had idols but didn't anthropomorphize their gods. If he was correct, this seems to have later changed, but it is difficult to say when.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge

    You could read the first ten books of Livy (ignoring Yevardian’s condemnation of it as boring). It should have all the classic stories from the regal and early republican period (rape of Lucretia, Horatii, Verginia, Cincinnatus at his plow etc.). Other than that, Dionysius of Halikarnassos? Have never read him myself, but my understanding is that he and Livy are the primary extant sources in that regard.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    In reading the outline of the story of Verginia (which I think Sher Singh would appreciate for its depiction of honor killing), am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.

    My previous view was that the Romans were very patriarchal (as for example demonstrated by the lack of unique names for sisters), and that any education would have been done in the home. Though I guess even the Taliban allow education for girls up through the 6th grade.

    Not sure I had ever heard of Cloacina before, though I knew of the Cloaca Maxima.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloacina

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh

  397. @Matra
    Diversity is our strength! - Putin

    Russia is a discount version of the West


    https://twitter.com/worldnews24u/status/1659854551426400257

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LondonBob

    So this is favoring RusFed over Russia?

  398. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    Diversity is our strength! - Putin

    Russia is a discount version of the West


    https://twitter.com/worldnews24u/status/1659854551426400257

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LondonBob

    I don’t really disagree with your larger point, but Putin’s comments here seem to be a reaction to all those Western proposals for the “decolonization” of the Russian Federation (that is breaking it up into dozens of statelets and presumably encouraging interethnic conflict, with ethnic Russians cast as evil colonizers oppressing Tatars and others). Given that context, his statement seems unremarkable to me, not really comparable to the bs we get in the West.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  399. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    In fact, adjusting for all of these episodes, I don’t think he was more accurate than myself or the Metaculus average
     
    Well, you’ve been pretty accurate after the first couple of months. For perhaps the banal reason that Russia has been failing, Theiner has not been in the same league of being wrong as has been MacGregor.

    What is your take on the attempt to take out the Patriot battery in Kiev?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Anatoly Karlin, @Sean

    The worst predictor of all was Zelemsky’s that Putin would not do it. Despite there being a 400 mile front line left over from 2014 well inside Ukraine’s territory, and all the warnings from Washington, until mere weeks before the invasions’ Zelensky clearly disbelieved that this build up, which started days after the father of Putin’s godchildren, Ukrainian billionaire Victor Medvedchuk, was arrested on Zelensky’s orders, was for real. Proof of Zelensky’s disbelief is that is he told the US to stop publicly predicting an invasion.

    Macgragor and many in the West think traditional combined arms maneuver warfare to breach defences ‘still’ works against well prepared defences . Experience has taught the Russians and Ukrainians better. Neither side intends to conduct dashing mobile operations, and so the current situation is the Russians have successfully hunkered down on a 600 mile front well inside Ukrainian teritory and are proceeding at the speed of dry rot in the Bakhmut area, there has not been a victory for Ukraine since November last year, and the conflict is begining to show many similarities to how the Korean war (sort of) ended.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Sean

    https://en.usm.media/two-naval-bases-are-being-built-in-ukraine-at-once/

    I remember autumn 2021 reports looking very like the British were in effect going to have a base in Berdyansk, although it was presented as British support for developing the Ukrainian navy. I also remember thinking, "I wonder how the Russians will react to that."
    Berdyansk was one of the first places the Russians went for.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  400. @German_reader
    @songbird


    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    You could read the first ten books of Livy (ignoring Yevardian's condemnation of it as boring). It should have all the classic stories from the regal and early republican period (rape of Lucretia, Horatii, Verginia, Cincinnatus at his plow etc.). Other than that, Dionysius of Halikarnassos? Have never read him myself, but my understanding is that he and Livy are the primary extant sources in that regard.

    Replies: @songbird

    In reading the outline of the story of Verginia (which I think Sher Singh would appreciate for its depiction of honor killing), am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.

    My previous view was that the Romans were very patriarchal (as for example demonstrated by the lack of unique names for sisters), and that any education would have been done in the home. Though I guess even the Taliban allow education for girls up through the 6th grade.

    Not sure I had ever heard of Cloacina before, though I knew of the Cloaca Maxima.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloacina

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.
     
    Strange indeed, but it seems to be in Livy (looked it up, it mentions ludi litterarum in the forum, which I suppose must be some kind of school, presumably for elementary reading and writing?). I suppose it's anachronistic in any case, but still odd it could have seemed plausible to Romans in Livy's time, wouldn't have expected that either.
    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    What a sad story - and one that's completely relatable.

    Both the abuse of power by your own & the liberal state backing the morally bankrupt.

    The penalty for abducting a noble woman must be death. Otherwise, noblemen cannot go off to war.

    Nobility is a position of both great prestige & obligation.
    --
    A man of lesser stature could just take money in leiu of the daughter being ruined.

    Warriors cannot, the fear of retribution & their reputation is all the currency they deal in.
    --


    https://youtu.be/VY4DUHyleM4

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

  401. Sean says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    War does not take place between races. War is a political event.

    Peace is the path to prosperity, and Zelensky was elected on a platform of peaceful return of Crimea and Donbass. Diversity was not tolerated in Ukraine by the Zelensky regime, which closed down Russian language TV stations and arrested their owner (father of Putin’s godchildren Victor Medvedchuk) days before the build up for the invasion started.

    War leads to partition into ethnically excusive separate state and peace. Ukraine is effectively partitioned and peace will come, but who will pay to to rebuild the damaged infrastructure, housing and busineses?

  402. Sher Singh says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25482019

    https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/04/15/the-taliban-were-afghanistans-real-modernizers/

    https://scholars-stage.org/learning-from-our-defeat-the-madrassas-and-the-modern/

    The estrogenic stress as you come off cycle turns you gay. You’re basically half white half Tajik & have the same overly intellectual cringed takes they do.

    Too analytic to be brown – too dark, parochial & aggressive to be white yet not enough aggro to be among us. That’s the real 3rd culture alienation. Good that you lift though.

    Wondering if you consider weapons exemptions in dozens of countries ‘winning’ & how that squares with who you think is ‘rightoid’.

    There’s more than one type of trans national modernity.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/25482019

    ਅਕਾਲ

  403. @Mr. XYZ
    @Sher Singh

    Honor killings?

    Anyway, if you don't want the wrong kinds of immigrants *that* badly, just close the doors for them. Better than murder for sure!

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    No, I meant TND – disputes with women are never personal as they cannot be/are not ‘persons’.

    I guess even TND isn’t murder, more so wildlife control or animal abuse depending on one’s inclinations.

  404. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    In reading the outline of the story of Verginia (which I think Sher Singh would appreciate for its depiction of honor killing), am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.

    My previous view was that the Romans were very patriarchal (as for example demonstrated by the lack of unique names for sisters), and that any education would have been done in the home. Though I guess even the Taliban allow education for girls up through the 6th grade.

    Not sure I had ever heard of Cloacina before, though I knew of the Cloaca Maxima.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloacina

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh

    am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.

    Strange indeed, but it seems to be in Livy (looked it up, it mentions ludi litterarum in the forum, which I suppose must be some kind of school, presumably for elementary reading and writing?). I suppose it’s anachronistic in any case, but still odd it could have seemed plausible to Romans in Livy’s time, wouldn’t have expected that either.

  405. @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I'm glad to hear that your nephews are great. It must just be you. It's probably just best for all parties involved if you don't have kids then. I'm not saying that in a judgemental way, I think it's important to recognize one's limitations and not try to ignore them for the wrong justifications.

    I personally really enjoy being around and caring for my kids in various ways and I know plenty of other fathers who do as well.

    I'll still completely disagree that children are in any way gay as a blanket statement even if you feel like it's the case for yourself.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel, @Greasy William

    I wouldn’t rush to recommend GW to abstain from becoming a father based just on a sentence where he was most likely exaggerating. Nature has taken care of this problem after millions of years of evolution and releases a storm of oxytocins when you have children of your own to make sure you are a caring parent and the species is preserved (the only thing evolution cares about).

    To be fair, this effect is probably much stronger in the average woman but you and I know that it’s also powerful in us men. I actually think that men change with age and older men make better fathers in the modern environment. When we are younger we probably have too much testosterone and other hormones counteracting the action of oxytocins, as they probably should, to make sure that we don’t spend too much time in the cave mesmerized with our children and carry on hunting and defending the tribe.

    That’s probably also why grandparents are so good babysitters. I’ve read that one of the reason why we humans are so long-lived compared to most other animals is the evolutionary advantage of having grandparents participate in the rearing of our offspring, that takes much longer to mature than all other species. Women appear to to be the only mammals who live very long after the end of their reproductive capability and this is the most likely reason.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Thanks: Barbarossa
  406. @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I'm glad to hear that your nephews are great. It must just be you. It's probably just best for all parties involved if you don't have kids then. I'm not saying that in a judgemental way, I think it's important to recognize one's limitations and not try to ignore them for the wrong justifications.

    I personally really enjoy being around and caring for my kids in various ways and I know plenty of other fathers who do as well.

    I'll still completely disagree that children are in any way gay as a blanket statement even if you feel like it's the case for yourself.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Mikel, @Greasy William

    Yeah I was never meant to have kids. I’m not a kid hater, I just hate childcare.

    Historically, I’m not sure that men had to do too much childcare. The child rearing was mostly left to the wife and the in laws with the father maybe helping a little bit on an as needed basis.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  407. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    In reading the outline of the story of Verginia (which I think Sher Singh would appreciate for its depiction of honor killing), am surprised that she was abducted on the way to school.

    My previous view was that the Romans were very patriarchal (as for example demonstrated by the lack of unique names for sisters), and that any education would have been done in the home. Though I guess even the Taliban allow education for girls up through the 6th grade.

    Not sure I had ever heard of Cloacina before, though I knew of the Cloaca Maxima.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloacina

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh

    What a sad story – and one that’s completely relatable.

    Both the abuse of power by your own & the liberal state backing the morally bankrupt.

    The penalty for abducting a noble woman must be death. Otherwise, noblemen cannot go off to war.

    Nobility is a position of both great prestige & obligation.

    A man of lesser stature could just take money in leiu of the daughter being ruined.

    Warriors cannot, the fear of retribution & their reputation is all the currency they deal in.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Technically, she was a pleb, but there was a patrician branch of the gens, so maybe Livy was retconning it.

    400+ years is a long time, anyway. I know some local traditions have been garbled in less time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

  408. @Matra
    @Mikel

    It's interesting how similar the mindset is between Russians and Ukrainians along with their non-Slavic Western partisans. The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.

    BTW I wonder if AK's re-branding is because he is planning on returning to California or the UK or whatever country he has citizenship in. Renouncing the views his name is attached to and coming out as a Rightoid-hating social liberal might be worth a try if that is what he is planning.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.

    Well, I have some family in that general part of the world and they’re actually very normal people. But I very well understand what you mean. It’s quite irritating sometimes. As things stand right now, if Russia decided to attack Latvia, Lithuania or Poland we have committed ourselves to defend them even if that leads to a nuclear conflagration and our own destruction (not that our leaders found it necessary to ask us if we really felt such a strong solidarity but people in our countries have accepted it quite meekly anyway). In spite of this generous commitment, some people in EE make you feel as if this wasn’t enough and we were too selfish by not extending those guarantees to all countries around Russia, regardless of whether they are ion NATO or not.

    Btw, the other day we were discussing right here if the F-16s will finally be provided to Ukraine or not. Well, that “mental barrier” has also been lifted and now it is a fact that they will be delivered, which makes me think that Biden is being played by his entourage just like Trump was. Someone is clearly agitating to lift all “mental barriers” and go for a full confrontation, and it’s not just the EEs. What will be the next barrier to be lifted if the Russians manage to keep their ground? A NFZ, as was also suggested from the very beginning?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    A NFZ won't happen; it's too risky and unnecessary since Ukraine is quite capable of holding its own ground anyway.


    and we were too selfish by not extending those guarantees to all countries around Russia, regardless of whether they are ion NATO or not.
     
    Including Ukraine in NATO back in 2008 was probably unfeasible since the Ukrainian people themselves opposed this back then. Worth noting that twice as many Ukrainians viewed NATO as an enemy than viewed NATO as protection even in 2009:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/127094/ukrainians-likely-support-move-away-nato.aspx

    2008 figures:

    15% of Ukrainians viewed NATO as protection, 43% as a threat, 30% as neither, and 12% were unsure

    In 2009, these figures were:

    17%, 40%, 33%, 11%

    2/5 of Ukrainians viewed NATO as a threat back in 2009! Quite amazing!
  409. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    "Rightoids" (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated
     
    The only thing that has been invalidated is the "Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated" nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don't be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Ok. In other words, you've decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa, @Anatoly Karlin

    The suffix “-oids” often stems from Android, as in robotic. But your version is good, too.

    I wonder if Mr. K has become a mutant form of globalist?

  410. @Sean
    @AP

    The worst predictor of all was Zelemsky's that Putin would not do it. Despite there being a 400 mile front line left over from 2014 well inside Ukraine's territory, and all the warnings from Washington, until mere weeks before the invasions' Zelensky clearly disbelieved that this build up, which started days after the father of Putin’s godchildren, Ukrainian billionaire Victor Medvedchuk, was arrested on Zelensky’s orders, was for real. Proof of Zelensky's disbelief is that is he told the US to stop publicly predicting an invasion.

    Macgragor and many in the West think traditional combined arms maneuver warfare to breach defences 'still' works against well prepared defences . Experience has taught the Russians and Ukrainians better. Neither side intends to conduct dashing mobile operations, and so the current situation is the Russians have successfully hunkered down on a 600 mile front well inside Ukrainian teritory and are proceeding at the speed of dry rot in the Bakhmut area, there has not been a victory for Ukraine since November last year, and the conflict is begining to show many similarities to how the Korean war (sort of) ended.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    https://en.usm.media/two-naval-bases-are-being-built-in-ukraine-at-once/

    I remember autumn 2021 reports looking very like the British were in effect going to have a base in Berdyansk, although it was presented as British support for developing the Ukrainian navy. I also remember thinking, “I wonder how the Russians will react to that.”
    Berdyansk was one of the first places the Russians went for.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Wielgus

    Azov is a very provocative name for an Ukraine division.

    Replies: @Sean

  411. QCIC says:

    What happens next?

    This note includes sordid questions on post-combat political restoration of Ukraine which are important since they have an impact on the quality of life for 10 million beleaguered civilian pawns.

    I still believe Russia will work to pressure Kharkov and Odessa to capitulate. Once this happens, eventually Kiev will also capitulate. At that point the East and South of Ukraine will be militarily reunited with Russia. What does this entail? The capitulation of Kiev requires new government leadership and will occur as the Zelensky team is replaced. Are there any hidden moderates still alive in Ukraine to make this happen? Is there a substantial diaspora of Ukrainian moderates (anti-War, pro-Slav, Russophilic) which can be tapped for leaders?

    Even before this I expect tension and struggles between city, regional and national governments. The Western backers of Zelensky want him to keep fighting until the last Ukrainian. This will lead to more pointless death and leveled cities like Bakhmut and Mariupol. Soon mayors and governors may begin to recognize that military resistance is hopeless and decide to save their citizens and regions from destruction. I think the NeoNazis and SBU will attempt to murder any high profile moderates so this will only work if local police and AFU members protect the outspoken moderates.

    In my view this sort of locally-grown voluntary resolution is best for the future Ukraine. If this doesn’t happen, then Russia will keep destroying the AFU, NeoNazis and NATO-supplied weapons. Eventually they will probably begin destroying more critical infrastructure to make life untenable for civilians to pressure them to speak up for surrender. The worst case for Ukraine is that Russia has to forcibly install new governments after leveling much of the country.

    Once the SMO gets to this point, will Kiev have enough power to politically control the Western part of Ukraine or will Poland-NATO try to reclaim this section in some form? Maybe the NeoNazis will concentrate themselves in this area.

    I think Russia will show their hand by late summer. That is, do they plan to wrap up this first phase of the SMO before winter 2023-24 or after? If they plan to do so this year, the attacks on civilian infrastructure need to happen soon so that emergency measures can be put in place before winter to avoid an even more tragic human catastrophe. On the other hand, maybe they leave the population hungry and shivering through the winter with limited damage to infrastructure (not starving and freezing) and then wrap things up next summer. I doubt the Russians have done much NeoNazi hunting West of the Dniepr so that may be a crucial part of the SMO we have yet to see.

    Alternatively, could a realist Ukrainian group perform a palace coup in Kiev and capitulate right away? The goal of this would be to oust the puppet Zelensky and his backers and try to cut the death and destruction while retaining as much autonomy for the new Russia-Ukraine as possible. This may be the best for all involved, but I have seen few signs this is realistic. The West might like this as well since it would give them an excuse to turn their back on the whole project and blame it on the Ukrainian pawns: “Well, you surrender-monkey Ukies blew it. Don’t say we didn’t try to help you!”

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    How much Russian nonsense does a Westerner need to consume in order to produce the above?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    , @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    SMO was about Ukraine for a few weeks. But as soon as NATO weapons and ammo started pouring in, it’s not about Ukraine any more. Today the RF is fighting the whole imperial crime family. The empire ensnared itself in its own trap, it cannot pretend that it’s not a combatant any more. An issue now is world order. Ukraine provides battleground and so far provided most of the cannon fodder, but that’s it. Where the masters’ interests are at stake, servants have no agency.

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation. However, I don’t see sane forces in current Ukraine in a position to achieve that: most sane people with any leadership qualities have either run away before or are being held and tortured in SBU dungeons. Maybe the RF can still find some credible people there, the existence of which I am not aware of. The most likely scenario is widespread destruction of infrastructure and human capital in former Ukraine, which would make it a hopeless shithole for decades.

    The empire is on the slippery slope: from ammo, old Soviet artillery pieces, tanks, and jets, to Western armored personnel carriers and HIMARS, to tanks and anti-aircraft systems, now to F-16s. The empire itself still holds the fig leaf of supplying most of these things through vassals, but that’s no more than a fig leaf, implausible deniability. Prevailing public opinion in Russia is a lot more anti-Western than Putin, and he tends to follow public opinion, usually with some time lag.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc. The war will keeping going until this result is achieved, regardless whose puppets rule in Kiev.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  412. @AP
    @Beckow


    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
     
    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.

    You are lying now. You directly stated that “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“. In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened – Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in ‘what-if’ history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn’t change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don’t come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow

    Vision of hell: Being forced to listen to you and AP having the same argument with the exact same talking points over and over, in an endless Sisyphean cycle.
    What a relief one can just scroll over it here, and mostly ignore it. Still, I wonder how you two do it, one would assume it gets boring at some point.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    A Nazi-Polish attack on the USSR would likely fail if the Anglo-French directly entered the war on the Soviet side, but it's less clear what would have happened had the Anglo-French remained neutral. Though there are different degrees of neutrality: Not doing anything vs. providing minor aid vs. providing major aid (comparable to Western aid to Ukraine in the current war).

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    Poles refused.

    Russians survived because of Polish refusal. But millions of Poles were killed.

    Russian ingratitude is amazing. And they think the Poles should been grateful to them. For doing what the Poles refused to do - allying with the Nazis. And doing nothing until the Nazis attacked them. And thanking the Poles by occupying them afterwards.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos
     
    It is not "again."

    USSR was Russia + Ukraine + a bunch of other countries.

    Now, just Russia.

    Unless by "again" you mean the last time that Russia without Ukraine got into a war against a Western country? That was when it lost to Poland.

    Or by "again" you mean previous such wars against the Slavs to its West? The last one before 1920 when it didn't have Ukraine on its side was in 1632-1634. It lost that one also. Just as it lost the war from 1605-1618. And the one from 1577-1582.

    Russia only consistently wins wars against Western rivals when it is united with Ukraine. It's an obvious and old lesson, it's why Putin was so desperate for union with Ukraine. Maybe even someone as ignorant and dumb as you are will figure it out.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail.
     
    According to you, the idiot.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

  413. @Wielgus
    @Sean

    https://en.usm.media/two-naval-bases-are-being-built-in-ukraine-at-once/

    I remember autumn 2021 reports looking very like the British were in effect going to have a base in Berdyansk, although it was presented as British support for developing the Ukrainian navy. I also remember thinking, "I wonder how the Russians will react to that."
    Berdyansk was one of the first places the Russians went for.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Azov is a very provocative name for an Ukraine division.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    It's better than Azathoth!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  414. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.
     
    You are lying now. You directly stated that "Russians should be grateful that Poles didn't join the Germans in exterminating them". In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened - Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in 'what-if' history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn't change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don't come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Vision of hell: Being forced to listen to you and AP having the same argument with the exact same talking points over and over, in an endless Sisyphean cycle.
    What a relief one can just scroll over it here, and mostly ignore it. Still, I wonder how you two do it, one would assume it gets boring at some point.

    • Agree: Sher Singh, LondonBob
    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/973087973266567208/1109885651396067409/6861488665287470174.mov

    On the other hand, one could listen to this all day.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    I sometimes think that men who fought in WW2 - the medal-winners, even the generals and heads of state - if they had been cryogenically frozen and de-thawed in our time, would be less concerned about about WW2, than some on this forum.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Point taken. But I think hell is a bit more unpleasant...

    I will let AP enjoy his what-if history from now on...:)

  415. @sudden death

    LEHIGHTON, Pennsylvania, May 20 (Reuters) - George Stawnyczyj voted for Donald Trump twice. On domestic policy, he gives the former president top marks. But he'll stay home on Election Day should Trump win his party's nomination to take on Joe Biden in 2024.

    Stawnyczyj is an official in the Republican Party in rural Carbon County, Pennsylvania. He's also Ukrainian-American and can't stomach Trump's criticism of aid payments to war-torn Ukraine nor his habit of complimenting Vladimir Putin.

    "The way Trump is talking right now, getting into bed with Putin, there's no way I can support him," Stawnyczyj, a retired truck driver, told Reuters at his home in the Appalachian Mountains.

    The votes of Ukrainian-Americans - traditionally a Republican-leaning bloc - could have an outsize impact on the 2024 general election, according to some lawmakers, strategists and advocates, plus a Reuters analysis of U.S. census data.

    While the number of Americans who identify as being of Ukrainian descent is relatively small at about 1 million, they are densely distributed in a string of unusually competitive areas where their votes could potentially be decisive.

    In Pennsylvania and Michigan, the size of the Ukrainian-American community outstrips Trump's margin of victory in 2016, according to the analysis. In at least 13 congressional districts across the country, it exceeds or roughly matches the margin of victory by either party in the 2022 midterm elections.

    Stawnyczyj is one of many Ukrainian-Americans who plan to sit out the 2024 election or even vote Democrat for the first time, according to interviews with 22 Ukrainian-American activists, elected officials, community leaders and voters, as well as a dozen officials and strategists that interact with the community.
    .................................
    In Pennsylvania, about 92,000 people identify as Ukrainian-American - more than double Trump's margin of victory here in 2016 of 44,000 votes, and also exceeding Biden's margin of 81,000 in 2020, according to the Reuters analysis. Michigan has roughly 33,000 Ukrainian-Americans, more than Trump's 2016 margin of about 11,000 votes.

    The 13 congressional districts where the community is larger than or similar to the margins of victory in the midterms were identified in New York state, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Washington state, Connecticut, California and Colorado. Republicans and Democrats won about half of the districts each.

    The Census Bureau produces estimates of the Ukrainian-American population based on an annual nationwide survey. While the data does not provide information on the age of Americans in most states and congressional districts who identify as having Ukrainian ancestry, the bureau says about four-fifths of the overall Ukrainian-American population is of voting age.

    In the coalfields of eastern Pennsylvania where Stawnyczyj lives and where the Republican and Democratic parties fight tooth-and-nail for control, the Ukrainian population exceeds 10% in some towns.

    Democratic U.S. Representative Susan Wild, who won Stawnyczyj's district by less than 5,000 votes in 2022, said that courting the Ukrainian-American vote would be crucial.

    She is in regular contact with her district's Ukrainian community, members of which donated to her campaign and made calls on her behalf in the last election.

    "When you're talking about races like the one I came out of with really small margins, even a small bloc of people makes a big difference," she said in an interview.

    "Certainly in Pennsylvania, it will make a difference."
    ..............................

    Stawnyczyj, the Republican official in Carbon County, said he liked Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey. His friend Michael Saciw said he favored former Vice President Mike Pence. Neither of those politicians has declared a presidential bid, though both are openly pondering it.

    Both Christie and Pence have consistently backed aid for Ukraine.

    "If Trump wins, he's not getting my vote," said Saciw, who was born in Ukraine. "And a lot of people around here feel the same way."
     
    https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-or-desantis-neither-say-ukrainian-american-voters-angry-war-stance-2023-05-20/

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Might be curious to see how blacks are viewing the war in Ukraine. They must resent the outpouring of liberal support with cash and gear for the very white looking ukies.
    The resentment won’t amount to a shift in votes but the general attitudes among the niggers ought to be accounted for.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    Sir, thank you for using the word Nigger.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    blacks don't have a problem with whites, this is a right wing fantasy. Blacks do have a bit of a problem with Asians and Latinos, but even then not much. Blacks just want to live their lives and don't care about politics. They don't trust any government authority, even their own elected leaders.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  416. Retroactively viewing strictly isolated natgas pricing timeline, NS blowup looks more like desperate attempt to stop inevitable price slide?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Futures price isn't the physical price, my heating bill is higher than ever. You should have realised this by now.

    I don't think you will ever convince anyone that anyone but the Biden regime blew up Nordstream, no matter how many times you post different theories.

    Replies: @Beckow

  417. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.

    The rightoid win with Neo-Conservatism back in the 80s has ended up involving the sacrifice of a lot of the cultural right, but arguably the pay off for the economic right-wing and a certain form of Liberalism has been very significant (in a decades spanning way). I think this is why often the current left can seem so much like yet more colourful sock puppets for this perspective.

  418. Battle of the Nations
    Denmark Russia

  419. @Matra
    Diversity is our strength! - Putin

    Russia is a discount version of the West


    https://twitter.com/worldnews24u/status/1659854551426400257

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LondonBob

    Putin is kind of being honest, as this is probably one of the things the historians will see as a practical attainment of his time, assimilation of the local nationalities, reduction of some of the Soviet neurosis.*

    In 2000-2008, he could talk about the economic growth. But economy almost doesn’t grow since 2008.

    Before 2020, something about the improving public health, reduction of deaths from alcohol, but they didn’t manage the coronavirus pandemic and there were some of the highest deaths in the world in that area.

    Before 2022, he would say something about the modernization of the army, but now it became too open secret this was mainly funding modernization of the champagne industry in France.

    *
    But nowadays importing of street fights between Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan to cities without history of this, probably less positively viewed than the assimilation of local nationalities.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPlhLc5JAYw.

  420. @Ivashka the fool
    @Dmitry

    So where did Indians get this philosophical inclinations from ?

    🙂

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry

    You think it is something about magic mushrooms. https://edtimes.in/a-brief-history-of-mind-altering-drugs-in-ancient-india/

    This hypothesis can perhaps explain the birth of the “imaginative” art, architecture and combinations of spices. But the development of logical distinctions, which is interesting for the modernization of logic by De Morgan and Boole. This is possibly related to the talkative culture of India, if you believe any of the ancient culture is still reflecting in the modern Indians.

    If you know many Indians, the lack of discussion, is not one of their cultural “weaknesses”. After enough talking about practical topics, you are talking about talking. This is where the self-conscious logic begins with the metadata.

  421. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Garrett Jones' proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy. Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia - which needs to be suppressed), and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the "breaking wave" idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed. History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage. (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Garrett Jones’ proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy.

    Well, a cynic could say that the Third World deserves to lose its human capital after backing imperialist Russia rather than relatively anti-imperialist Ukraine in the current war.

    Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia – which needs to be suppressed),

    Harris is not Islamophobic per se. He has no problem with liberal and secular Muslims. He does have a problem with how Islam is currently practiced by a lot of Muslims in much of the world right now, though. Glad that you and him see eye to eye on fixing this. In the meantime, though, it’s prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.

    and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.

    Here is an extraordinarily long article/book that she wrote:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228128038_The_Law_of_Return_at_Sixty_Years_History_Ideology_Justification

    FWIW, I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character. While constitutional/legal guarantees against this can exist, by this logic, such guarantees are not morally obligatory.

    Restricting speech and/or religion is less burdensome upon natives than restricting migration is upon non-natives, after all.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the “breaking wave” idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed.

    But didn’t you previously argue against open borders even from an effective altruist perspective?

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigration-and-effective-altruism/

    With the argument being that it’s significantly cheaper per person to help Third Worlders if they’re stuck in the Third World than if they move to the First World? And also much better for the environment (much less global warming) as well?

    History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage.

    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I’m unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.

    Also, off-topic, but in regards to pork: You previously said that killing one pig is around 100 times worse than killing one chicken due to pigs being much smarter, correct? But isn’t this significantly compensated by the fact that, right now, we kill about 60 chickens for every pig that we kill?

    1/60 and 1/100 are not cardinally different figures from each other.

    (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).

    I don’t know if there was ever research indicating that women were, on average, duller than men, but Yeah, if Jones’s research on average IQ and GDP was available 100+ years ago, chances are that some or even many people would have indeed used it to argue in favor of immigration restrictions as well as Jim Crow. Here’s an early 1920s article talking about the allegedly lower average IQs of recent European immigrants to the US, for instance:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/6403.pdf

    And Jim Crow ensured that the Southern US would have a smarter electorate than it would otherwise have by preventing duller blacks and poor whites from voting in a lot of cases.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    it’s prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.
     
    There is a fatal flaw with your proposal.

    The Boston Marathon bomber and Pulse nightclub killer became radicalized while in the U.S. There is no reason to believe that there is a reliable category of "non-radicals" guaranteed to have equally "non-radical" children & grand children. Recidivism is statistically inevitable.

    The only possible survival strategy for Judeo-Christian countries to keep children safe is near total exclusion.


    I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character.
     
    This needs to extend further into school and other key life activities. In America, money states, "In God We Trust". The Constitution never envisioned freedom from religion. Certainly, it does not protect anti-American concepts such as after school Satan clubs.

    We tried tolerance, and it failed. It opens the door to worse deviancy via acceptance and normalization. The solution is intolerance. If some one builds a mosque, burn it down. Then bankrupt them with removal fees & illegal construction charges. Public shaming works. It does not take many outcasts to prove the point.


    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I’m unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.
     
     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0lzatjFD66xlvGm6xAgxbDVPlcwkcEqugFV6s0clhFtbrw3OU2BMvgawZmkY1NiNoQSDh-cJE-AnUuxKaCurq26xd4_1nXJelg6B8uncGiLdNCp7Ym0lsWSjeruYmp4CJmReWM_hQzaVB41xJmHSQG9cvuBoRfh9HhOHcmBJs0q0iekC36Ak2csDlPg/s733/90miles5db996374fae56c1e49d715cd6449bdd_c1102746_640.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    They will soon grow some of the fat or muscle cells and add it to the processed food.

    There was a lot of hype about this especially from the startup scene in Israel in the last years when they were doing the fundraising. It was somewhere in the biotech startup category for the speculation.

    I remember I posted this podcast in this forum a few years ago. ARK had a good podcast on the topic 4 years ago. In this example, they won't grow the complex structures, but just growing fat and muscle cells from fibroblasts and they claim it could be economically possible in certain scales.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIU9x_i_r-M


    After these parts of the "fourth industrial revolution", animal farming could hopefully be reduced and this would result in a more ethical culture.

    Although with this particular technology, is it's still a kind of processed food in the negative sense, at it will be without the ethical problem of killing animals.

    It doesn't have the same structure as the animals' tissue, like the people who boil lobsters etc. It's adding animal cells to change the flavor and texture of the processed food.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  422. @Beckow
    @AP


    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.
     
    You are lying now. You directly stated that "Russians should be grateful that Poles didn't join the Germans in exterminating them". In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened - Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in 'what-if' history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn't change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don't come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    A Nazi-Polish attack on the USSR would likely fail if the Anglo-French directly entered the war on the Soviet side, but it’s less clear what would have happened had the Anglo-French remained neutral. Though there are different degrees of neutrality: Not doing anything vs. providing minor aid vs. providing major aid (comparable to Western aid to Ukraine in the current war).

  423. @Mikel
    @Matra


    The less we in the West have to do with these Eastern Slavs & Baltoids the better.
     
    Well, I have some family in that general part of the world and they're actually very normal people. But I very well understand what you mean. It's quite irritating sometimes. As things stand right now, if Russia decided to attack Latvia, Lithuania or Poland we have committed ourselves to defend them even if that leads to a nuclear conflagration and our own destruction (not that our leaders found it necessary to ask us if we really felt such a strong solidarity but people in our countries have accepted it quite meekly anyway). In spite of this generous commitment, some people in EE make you feel as if this wasn't enough and we were too selfish by not extending those guarantees to all countries around Russia, regardless of whether they are ion NATO or not.

    Btw, the other day we were discussing right here if the F-16s will finally be provided to Ukraine or not. Well, that "mental barrier" has also been lifted and now it is a fact that they will be delivered, which makes me think that Biden is being played by his entourage just like Trump was. Someone is clearly agitating to lift all "mental barriers" and go for a full confrontation, and it's not just the EEs. What will be the next barrier to be lifted if the Russians manage to keep their ground? A NFZ, as was also suggested from the very beginning?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    A NFZ won’t happen; it’s too risky and unnecessary since Ukraine is quite capable of holding its own ground anyway.

    and we were too selfish by not extending those guarantees to all countries around Russia, regardless of whether they are ion NATO or not.

    Including Ukraine in NATO back in 2008 was probably unfeasible since the Ukrainian people themselves opposed this back then. Worth noting that twice as many Ukrainians viewed NATO as an enemy than viewed NATO as protection even in 2009:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/127094/ukrainians-likely-support-move-away-nato.aspx

    2008 figures:

    15% of Ukrainians viewed NATO as protection, 43% as a threat, 30% as neither, and 12% were unsure

    In 2009, these figures were:

    17%, 40%, 33%, 11%

    2/5 of Ukrainians viewed NATO as a threat back in 2009! Quite amazing!

  424. @German_reader
    @Beckow

    Vision of hell: Being forced to listen to you and AP having the same argument with the exact same talking points over and over, in an endless Sisyphean cycle.
    What a relief one can just scroll over it here, and mostly ignore it. Still, I wonder how you two do it, one would assume it gets boring at some point.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Beckow

  425. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Might be curious to see how blacks are viewing the war in Ukraine. They must resent the outpouring of liberal support with cash and gear for the very white looking ukies.
    The resentment won’t amount to a shift in votes but the general attitudes among the niggers ought to be accounted for.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Greasy William

    Sir, thank you for using the word Nigger.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    Get back in line and shut yer pie hole Badmash.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  426. @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    Sir, thank you for using the word Nigger.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Get back in line and shut yer pie hole Badmash.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Wokechoke

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1110017741441732628/brave_boy.mp4

  427. @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Might be curious to see how blacks are viewing the war in Ukraine. They must resent the outpouring of liberal support with cash and gear for the very white looking ukies.
    The resentment won’t amount to a shift in votes but the general attitudes among the niggers ought to be accounted for.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Greasy William

    blacks don’t have a problem with whites, this is a right wing fantasy. Blacks do have a bit of a problem with Asians and Latinos, but even then not much. Blacks just want to live their lives and don’t care about politics. They don’t trust any government authority, even their own elected leaders.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    I’ve seen data suggesting that they disfavor sending gear to Ukraine and oppose actual deployment of troops.

  428. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Accelerationist techno-anarchism ?

    Looks interesting.

    Are you going to write about it in more detail?

  429. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Garrett Jones’ proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy.
     
    Well, a cynic could say that the Third World deserves to lose its human capital after backing imperialist Russia rather than relatively anti-imperialist Ukraine in the current war.

    Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia – which needs to be suppressed),
     
    Harris is not Islamophobic per se. He has no problem with liberal and secular Muslims. He does have a problem with how Islam is currently practiced by a lot of Muslims in much of the world right now, though. Glad that you and him see eye to eye on fixing this. In the meantime, though, it's prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.

    and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.
     
    Here is an extraordinarily long article/book that she wrote:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228128038_The_Law_of_Return_at_Sixty_Years_History_Ideology_Justification

    FWIW, I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character. While constitutional/legal guarantees against this can exist, by this logic, such guarantees are not morally obligatory.

    Restricting speech and/or religion is less burdensome upon natives than restricting migration is upon non-natives, after all.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the “breaking wave” idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed.
     
    But didn't you previously argue against open borders even from an effective altruist perspective?

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigration-and-effective-altruism/

    With the argument being that it's significantly cheaper per person to help Third Worlders if they're stuck in the Third World than if they move to the First World? And also much better for the environment (much less global warming) as well?

    History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage.
     
    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I'm unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.

    Also, off-topic, but in regards to pork: You previously said that killing one pig is around 100 times worse than killing one chicken due to pigs being much smarter, correct? But isn't this significantly compensated by the fact that, right now, we kill about 60 chickens for every pig that we kill?

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60cb59ec491c9e72f748c48d/1643303792045-GAPINKLJA4W92IQ6E2EX/VOX.jpg

    1/60 and 1/100 are not cardinally different figures from each other.

    (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).
     
    I don't know if there was ever research indicating that women were, on average, duller than men, but Yeah, if Jones's research on average IQ and GDP was available 100+ years ago, chances are that some or even many people would have indeed used it to argue in favor of immigration restrictions as well as Jim Crow. Here's an early 1920s article talking about the allegedly lower average IQs of recent European immigrants to the US, for instance:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/6403.pdf

    And Jim Crow ensured that the Southern US would have a smarter electorate than it would otherwise have by preventing duller blacks and poor whites from voting in a lot of cases.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    it’s prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.

    There is a fatal flaw with your proposal.

    The Boston Marathon bomber and Pulse nightclub killer became radicalized while in the U.S. There is no reason to believe that there is a reliable category of “non-radicals” guaranteed to have equally “non-radical” children & grand children. Recidivism is statistically inevitable.

    The only possible survival strategy for Judeo-Christian countries to keep children safe is near total exclusion.

    I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character.

    This needs to extend further into school and other key life activities. In America, money states, “In God We Trust”. The Constitution never envisioned freedom from religion. Certainly, it does not protect anti-American concepts such as after school Satan clubs.

    We tried tolerance, and it failed. It opens the door to worse deviancy via acceptance and normalization. The solution is intolerance. If some one builds a mosque, burn it down. Then bankrupt them with removal fees & illegal construction charges. Public shaming works. It does not take many outcasts to prove the point.

    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I’m unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.

      

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @A123


    https://twitter.com/eugyppius1/status/1660362394571268097

  430. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.
     
    You are lying now. You directly stated that "Russians should be grateful that Poles didn't join the Germans in exterminating them". In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened - Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in 'what-if' history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn't change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don't come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“

    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    Poles refused.

    Russians survived because of Polish refusal. But millions of Poles were killed.

    Russian ingratitude is amazing. And they think the Poles should been grateful to them. For doing what the Poles refused to do – allying with the Nazis. And doing nothing until the Nazis attacked them. And thanking the Poles by occupying them afterwards.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos

    It is not “again.”

    USSR was Russia + Ukraine + a bunch of other countries.

    Now, just Russia.

    Unless by “again” you mean the last time that Russia without Ukraine got into a war against a Western country? That was when it lost to Poland.

    Or by “again” you mean previous such wars against the Slavs to its West? The last one before 1920 when it didn’t have Ukraine on its side was in 1632-1634. It lost that one also. Just as it lost the war from 1605-1618. And the one from 1577-1582.

    Russia only consistently wins wars against Western rivals when it is united with Ukraine. It’s an obvious and old lesson, it’s why Putin was so desperate for union with Ukraine. Maybe even someone as ignorant and dumb as you are will figure it out.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail.

    According to you, the idiot.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.
     
    The Nazis and Poles would not have had the benefit of utilizing Western military equipment that they captured during the Fall of France in this scenario like they had in real life since there won't be a Fall of France in this scenario. That should hurt the Nazis and Poles a bit, albeit possibly not enough to prevent them from conquering the USSR unless the Anglo-French directly enter the war on the Soviet side.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.
     
    The alternative for the Slovaks in early 1939 was for them to get conquered by Hungary. Would that have been better for them?

    Replies: @AP

    , @John Johnson
    @AP


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn't have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.

    Hitler's last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn't a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    All his negotiations with the Poles were for show. He planned on getting revenge over WW1 by taking Poland and made a deal with the worst Communist in history to split the country in half.

    It was Hitler that not only allied with a Communist but carpet bombed Warsaw. It was Hitler that wanted Warsaw wiped off the face of the earth. He planned on eliminating the Polish identity entirely. The existence of Poland was an insulting reminder to German WW1 vets that they had lost. The Germans were secretly drawing up plans to turn Poland into German farmland while publicly talking about the Polish corridor. His final pretense for attacking was a lazy false flag operation. In his own book he talked about taking land from the East.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    That is correct. It was Hitler's greed and desire for revenge that led to his demise. If he went after the USSR through Romania and The Baltics it would have collapsed. Hitler actually originally planned for a single army to head straight for the Volgograd. It was actually a sound plan. Instead of invading Moscow like Napolean he planned on creating an economic shockwave by cutting off their grain and oil. Screwing with Poland and then Western Europe led to too many casualties. It also gave Stalin time to build up mechanized divisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  431. @QCIC
    What happens next?

    This note includes sordid questions on post-combat political restoration of Ukraine which are important since they have an impact on the quality of life for 10 million beleaguered civilian pawns.

    I still believe Russia will work to pressure Kharkov and Odessa to capitulate. Once this happens, eventually Kiev will also capitulate. At that point the East and South of Ukraine will be militarily reunited with Russia. What does this entail? The capitulation of Kiev requires new government leadership and will occur as the Zelensky team is replaced. Are there any hidden moderates still alive in Ukraine to make this happen? Is there a substantial diaspora of Ukrainian moderates (anti-War, pro-Slav, Russophilic) which can be tapped for leaders?

    Even before this I expect tension and struggles between city, regional and national governments. The Western backers of Zelensky want him to keep fighting until the last Ukrainian. This will lead to more pointless death and leveled cities like Bakhmut and Mariupol. Soon mayors and governors may begin to recognize that military resistance is hopeless and decide to save their citizens and regions from destruction. I think the NeoNazis and SBU will attempt to murder any high profile moderates so this will only work if local police and AFU members protect the outspoken moderates.

    In my view this sort of locally-grown voluntary resolution is best for the future Ukraine. If this doesn’t happen, then Russia will keep destroying the AFU, NeoNazis and NATO-supplied weapons. Eventually they will probably begin destroying more critical infrastructure to make life untenable for civilians to pressure them to speak up for surrender. The worst case for Ukraine is that Russia has to forcibly install new governments after leveling much of the country.

    Once the SMO gets to this point, will Kiev have enough power to politically control the Western part of Ukraine or will Poland-NATO try to reclaim this section in some form? Maybe the NeoNazis will concentrate themselves in this area.

    I think Russia will show their hand by late summer. That is, do they plan to wrap up this first phase of the SMO before winter 2023-24 or after? If they plan to do so this year, the attacks on civilian infrastructure need to happen soon so that emergency measures can be put in place before winter to avoid an even more tragic human catastrophe. On the other hand, maybe they leave the population hungry and shivering through the winter with limited damage to infrastructure (not starving and freezing) and then wrap things up next summer. I doubt the Russians have done much NeoNazi hunting West of the Dniepr so that may be a crucial part of the SMO we have yet to see.

    Alternatively, could a realist Ukrainian group perform a palace coup in Kiev and capitulate right away? The goal of this would be to oust the puppet Zelensky and his backers and try to cut the death and destruction while retaining as much autonomy for the new Russia-Ukraine as possible. This may be the best for all involved, but I have seen few signs this is realistic. The West might like this as well since it would give them an excuse to turn their back on the whole project and blame it on the Ukrainian pawns: “Well, you surrender-monkey Ukies blew it. Don’t say we didn’t try to help you!”

    Replies: @AP, @AnonfromTN

    How much Russian nonsense does a Westerner need to consume in order to produce the above?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    My motivation for commenting has been to alert people to the dangers of WW3 and nuclear war stemming directly from the Ukraine-Western fiasco. This was prompted by a continuous stream of apparently heartfelt and often wildly misleading comments by you and Mr. Hack and more obvious pro-War trolling by others.

    This phase of my commenting task may be winding down. If Unz readers don't recognize these serious risks by now, they never will.

    My new phase is an attempt to understand what might be a better tomorrow for the Ukrainian survivors over the next few years (ok, call it a least bad tomorrow). I realize this idea and premises must horrify you, but maybe not as much as the idea of WW3 horrifies me.

    I generate mostly my own opinions in this area. I generally don't follow Russian information channels other than what is reposted by Western truth-tellers. Much of my tiny understanding of Ukrainian history comes from the discussions here at Unz which I thank you and other sincere posters for creating. On the other hand, I have some awareness of the various technical capabilities and experience of the Russian military which are one of my lenses for viewing the SMO (along with my understanding of the Cold War and MAD). The Western and Ukrainian tales of a lack of Russian military capability or competence seem unrealistic from this view, so I seek other explanations for what is going on.

    You can participate in a similar and possibly less distasteful (for you) post-SMO thought process by thinking about the outcome of a hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea. How do you visualize the people living in those areas in two years after Kiev sends in the NeoNazis?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Off-topic, but what are your thoughts on Poland banning American Renaissance man Jared Taylor from the EU/Schengen zone?

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/poland-doesnt-want-pro-europeans/

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Also, off-topic, but Tulsi Gabbard strikes you as a Russian shill, doesn't she? She condemns warmongers without ever actually including Putin, the actual warmonger here:

    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1660242661767516163?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    As Greg Cochran pointed out, Putin started this war out of nothing (Ukraine was not planning an Operation Storm in the near future and in any case merely occupying and annexing the Donbass would have been enough to reduce the risk of this to virtually zero; there was absolutely no need for Putin and Russia to attack the rest of Ukraine) and he can easily give himself an off-ramp anytime. Just declare victory and get out lol. Though I wonder if the Russian people will overthrow Putin if he does this. Anyway, if Putin wants to keep on bleeding Russia, then it would be quite sad for Russia but also (quite Machiavellian-ly!) great for the West. More delicious humble pie for Russia to eat in the future.

    The more that Russia bleeds from this war, the less likely that Russia will attempt to conquer Ukraine in the future if it will fail to do so this time around. So, there actually *is* a non-sadistic reason for Westerners to maximize Russian suffering on the battlefield right now. Though obviously this should only be done if it has a chance of securing better peace terms for Ukraine, since otherwise Ukraine is going to be bleeding a lot as well for no purpose.

    Replies: @QCIC

  432. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    What a sad story - and one that's completely relatable.

    Both the abuse of power by your own & the liberal state backing the morally bankrupt.

    The penalty for abducting a noble woman must be death. Otherwise, noblemen cannot go off to war.

    Nobility is a position of both great prestige & obligation.
    --
    A man of lesser stature could just take money in leiu of the daughter being ruined.

    Warriors cannot, the fear of retribution & their reputation is all the currency they deal in.
    --


    https://youtu.be/VY4DUHyleM4

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    Technically, she was a pleb, but there was a patrician branch of the gens, so maybe Livy was retconning it.

    400+ years is a long time, anyway. I know some local traditions have been garbled in less time.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny06u-jrpdg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RlUcA8gNu8

    https://ehmerapunjab.tumblr.com/post/38301395501/sucha-soorma

    This is the flower of Punjab the Brits or any Christian state have always hated.
    How many such righteous deeds were punished in 2000 years of tyranny in Europe?

    One can only imagine.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w60wKRFspNQ

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Read.

    https://chevauchee.substack.com/p/coming-soon

    Replies: @songbird

  433. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    The rightist intellectual class can be impressive at times, but Yeah, a lot of the rightist proles aren’t exactly super-inspiring. Such as when they bought into Trump’s 2020 election lies, COVID vaccine denial, deep state conspiracies, et cetera.

    Worth noting, of course, that it’s possible that some of the rightist intellectual class has migrated to the Democrats or at least become neutral over the last couple of decades due to them being purged by the right. “Respectable Right” figures like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger, for instance.

    Russian nationalists should embrace Israeli-style pro-natalism along with a post-WWII German-style aversion to militarism and guilt culture, with Ukrainians becoming Russia’s holy cow just like Jews became Germany’s holy cow post-WWII. Imagine Russia being led by a highly technocratic Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) in the late 21st century while having a TFR of 2.5. Now that would be epic and would likely result in a Renaissance for Russia were this to ever occur.

    BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and Middle suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine’s suffering, including Ukraine’s involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Rasputin who apparently did reflect Russian public opinion said that helping Serbia was a bad idea. He made fun of the idea of helping out little brothers like Bulgaria or Serbia because they’d just drag you down with them.

    So Russians generally were not keen on expansion in the Balkans or toward Germany and Austria.

    There’s plenty of published pamphlets by Rasputin that show he was a perceptive and farseeing geostrategist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Natalism, like nationalism, is idiotic now. Relative population size is only important if:

    * As a country, you are invested into Great Power politics.
    * AI timelines are long.
    * You expect the system to remain centered around nation-states.

    In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them). As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.

    AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d'être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1647269401350094848

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  434. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    "Rightoids" (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated
     
    The only thing that has been invalidated is the "Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated" nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don't be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Ok. In other words, you've decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa, @Anatoly Karlin

    The only thing that has been invalidated is the “Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated” nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.

    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia’s sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany’s sacred cows. If Russia can also experience a baby boom like post-WWII Germany did, then that would be even better.

    Russian nationalists want Russians to act like Israeli Jews but couldn’t get Russians to breed anywhere near as much as Israeli Jews breed. Were Russia to boost its TFR to 2.5 and keep it there for at least 2-3 decades, Russia could experience an unprecedented Renaissance, especially if it is led by a Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) during this time.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia’s sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany’s sacred cows.
     
    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all...
    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they're mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  435. @AP
    @Beckow


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    Poles refused.

    Russians survived because of Polish refusal. But millions of Poles were killed.

    Russian ingratitude is amazing. And they think the Poles should been grateful to them. For doing what the Poles refused to do - allying with the Nazis. And doing nothing until the Nazis attacked them. And thanking the Poles by occupying them afterwards.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos
     
    It is not "again."

    USSR was Russia + Ukraine + a bunch of other countries.

    Now, just Russia.

    Unless by "again" you mean the last time that Russia without Ukraine got into a war against a Western country? That was when it lost to Poland.

    Or by "again" you mean previous such wars against the Slavs to its West? The last one before 1920 when it didn't have Ukraine on its side was in 1632-1634. It lost that one also. Just as it lost the war from 1605-1618. And the one from 1577-1582.

    Russia only consistently wins wars against Western rivals when it is united with Ukraine. It's an obvious and old lesson, it's why Putin was so desperate for union with Ukraine. Maybe even someone as ignorant and dumb as you are will figure it out.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail.
     
    According to you, the idiot.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    The Nazis and Poles would not have had the benefit of utilizing Western military equipment that they captured during the Fall of France in this scenario like they had in real life since there won’t be a Fall of France in this scenario. That should hurt the Nazis and Poles a bit, albeit possibly not enough to prevent them from conquering the USSR unless the Anglo-French directly enter the war on the Soviet side.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.

    The alternative for the Slovaks in early 1939 was for them to get conquered by Hungary. Would that have been better for them?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    "Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly."

    The Nazis and Poles would not have had the benefit of utilizing Western military equipment that they captured during the Fall of France in this scenario like they had in real life since there won’t be a Fall of France in this scenario
     
    How critical was that, compared to perhaps 2 million additional troops and a starting point about 200 km further east?

    the Anglo-French directly enter the war on the Soviet side.
     
    I really doubt that the English and French would join the war on the Soviet side.

    "But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance."

    The alternative for the Slovaks in early 1939 was for them to get conquered by Hungary. Would that have been better for them?
     
    Well, the alternative for Poles to a German-Polish alliance was invasion and occupation by Germany. Poles still didn't got for it. Sure, they thought they could count on the French and British to back them up, but still - they refused.
  436. @German_reader
    @Beckow

    Vision of hell: Being forced to listen to you and AP having the same argument with the exact same talking points over and over, in an endless Sisyphean cycle.
    What a relief one can just scroll over it here, and mostly ignore it. Still, I wonder how you two do it, one would assume it gets boring at some point.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Beckow

    I sometimes think that men who fought in WW2 – the medal-winners, even the generals and heads of state – if they had been cryogenically frozen and de-thawed in our time, would be less concerned about about WW2, than some on this forum.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    I think that they might have concluded that they should have voted for Strom Thurmond in 1948. Though they'd have been surprised that Thurmond had a secret illegitimate half-black daughter, thus making him a hypocrite for supporting anti-miscegenation laws while at the same time that he himself personally engaged in miscegenation.

    Replies: @songbird

  437. @QCIC
    What happens next?

    This note includes sordid questions on post-combat political restoration of Ukraine which are important since they have an impact on the quality of life for 10 million beleaguered civilian pawns.

    I still believe Russia will work to pressure Kharkov and Odessa to capitulate. Once this happens, eventually Kiev will also capitulate. At that point the East and South of Ukraine will be militarily reunited with Russia. What does this entail? The capitulation of Kiev requires new government leadership and will occur as the Zelensky team is replaced. Are there any hidden moderates still alive in Ukraine to make this happen? Is there a substantial diaspora of Ukrainian moderates (anti-War, pro-Slav, Russophilic) which can be tapped for leaders?

    Even before this I expect tension and struggles between city, regional and national governments. The Western backers of Zelensky want him to keep fighting until the last Ukrainian. This will lead to more pointless death and leveled cities like Bakhmut and Mariupol. Soon mayors and governors may begin to recognize that military resistance is hopeless and decide to save their citizens and regions from destruction. I think the NeoNazis and SBU will attempt to murder any high profile moderates so this will only work if local police and AFU members protect the outspoken moderates.

    In my view this sort of locally-grown voluntary resolution is best for the future Ukraine. If this doesn’t happen, then Russia will keep destroying the AFU, NeoNazis and NATO-supplied weapons. Eventually they will probably begin destroying more critical infrastructure to make life untenable for civilians to pressure them to speak up for surrender. The worst case for Ukraine is that Russia has to forcibly install new governments after leveling much of the country.

    Once the SMO gets to this point, will Kiev have enough power to politically control the Western part of Ukraine or will Poland-NATO try to reclaim this section in some form? Maybe the NeoNazis will concentrate themselves in this area.

    I think Russia will show their hand by late summer. That is, do they plan to wrap up this first phase of the SMO before winter 2023-24 or after? If they plan to do so this year, the attacks on civilian infrastructure need to happen soon so that emergency measures can be put in place before winter to avoid an even more tragic human catastrophe. On the other hand, maybe they leave the population hungry and shivering through the winter with limited damage to infrastructure (not starving and freezing) and then wrap things up next summer. I doubt the Russians have done much NeoNazi hunting West of the Dniepr so that may be a crucial part of the SMO we have yet to see.

    Alternatively, could a realist Ukrainian group perform a palace coup in Kiev and capitulate right away? The goal of this would be to oust the puppet Zelensky and his backers and try to cut the death and destruction while retaining as much autonomy for the new Russia-Ukraine as possible. This may be the best for all involved, but I have seen few signs this is realistic. The West might like this as well since it would give them an excuse to turn their back on the whole project and blame it on the Ukrainian pawns: “Well, you surrender-monkey Ukies blew it. Don’t say we didn’t try to help you!”

    Replies: @AP, @AnonfromTN

    SMO was about Ukraine for a few weeks. But as soon as NATO weapons and ammo started pouring in, it’s not about Ukraine any more. Today the RF is fighting the whole imperial crime family. The empire ensnared itself in its own trap, it cannot pretend that it’s not a combatant any more. An issue now is world order. Ukraine provides battleground and so far provided most of the cannon fodder, but that’s it. Where the masters’ interests are at stake, servants have no agency.

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation. However, I don’t see sane forces in current Ukraine in a position to achieve that: most sane people with any leadership qualities have either run away before or are being held and tortured in SBU dungeons. Maybe the RF can still find some credible people there, the existence of which I am not aware of. The most likely scenario is widespread destruction of infrastructure and human capital in former Ukraine, which would make it a hopeless shithole for decades.

    The empire is on the slippery slope: from ammo, old Soviet artillery pieces, tanks, and jets, to Western armored personnel carriers and HIMARS, to tanks and anti-aircraft systems, now to F-16s. The empire itself still holds the fig leaf of supplying most of these things through vassals, but that’s no more than a fig leaf, implausible deniability. Prevailing public opinion in Russia is a lot more anti-Western than Putin, and he tends to follow public opinion, usually with some time lag.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc. The war will keeping going until this result is achieved, regardless whose puppets rule in Kiev.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation.

    They wouldn't exist in that situation. Putin planned on eliminating them as a state.

    Why would they completely capitulate when Putin has signaled that he is only going after Donbas? He failed to take Kiev and the country but clearly wants Donbas as a consolation prize. They don't have the manpower to attempt another attack on Kiev so why would Ukraine quit at this point?

    It makes far more sense for Ukraine to wait for all the Western weapons and then gamble on an offensive. If it doesn't work then negotiate over Donbas.

    Putin is using T-55s and his troops continue to show up in mismatched camo. He does not have some secret auxiliary army.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc.

    Total fantasy. The UN voted 141-5 that the annexations were illegal. The world is not looking to Russia for leadership.

    Every single year someone proclaims it to be the last year of the dollar.

    But I'm sure this year will be it now that Putin is reviled by everyone but a few states with dictators.

    At the start of the war we had pro-Putin posters that claimed the dollar was over. Well it finished ahead of the Euro and the Ruble.

    Putin talked of a "multipolar world" but that is only a buzzword with his fans. In the real world he is hated and viewed as an albatross on global economic progress.

    Putin says all kinds of things. So what? In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine. Last year he referred to them as Russian territory that doesn't deserve autonomy.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

  438. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Garrett Jones’ proposals is a cynical ploy for harvesting the human capital of the Third World, perpetuating Western White-World Supremacy.
     
    Well, a cynic could say that the Third World deserves to lose its human capital after backing imperialist Russia rather than relatively anti-imperialist Ukraine in the current war.

    Sam Harris is an Islamophobe bigot (without denying that much of Islam as currently practiced has highly problematic aspects with respect to misogyny and homophobia – which needs to be suppressed),
     
    Harris is not Islamophobic per se. He has no problem with liberal and secular Muslims. He does have a problem with how Islam is currently practiced by a lot of Muslims in much of the world right now, though. Glad that you and him see eye to eye on fixing this. In the meantime, though, it's prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.

    and Ruth Gavison while I am an unfamiliar with her comes off as a Zionist. Zionism is nationalism and as such illegitimate.
     
    Here is an extraordinarily long article/book that she wrote:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228128038_The_Law_of_Return_at_Sixty_Years_History_Ideology_Justification

    FWIW, I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character. While constitutional/legal guarantees against this can exist, by this logic, such guarantees are not morally obligatory.

    Restricting speech and/or religion is less burdensome upon natives than restricting migration is upon non-natives, after all.

    While none of the people you cite are dumb, elite human capital has a teleology that trends towards Open Borders. That is, while it is still a relatively fringe opinion, it is the “breaking wave” idea held by the most progressive human capital (e.g., effective altruists), and as such, its long-term normalization is programmed.
     
    But didn't you previously argue against open borders even from an effective altruist perspective?

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/immigration-and-effective-altruism/

    With the argument being that it's significantly cheaper per person to help Third Worlders if they're stuck in the Third World than if they move to the First World? And also much better for the environment (much less global warming) as well?

    History will judge opponents of Open Borders to be regressives, in the same way that it will judge non-vegetarians, and has already judged slave owners and opponents of female suffrage.
     
    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I'm unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.

    Also, off-topic, but in regards to pork: You previously said that killing one pig is around 100 times worse than killing one chicken due to pigs being much smarter, correct? But isn't this significantly compensated by the fact that, right now, we kill about 60 chickens for every pig that we kill?

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/60cb59ec491c9e72f748c48d/1643303792045-GAPINKLJA4W92IQ6E2EX/VOX.jpg

    1/60 and 1/100 are not cardinally different figures from each other.

    (There were certainly privileged m*noids like Jones arguing again female emancipation on the grounds of their supposedly deleterious impacts on republican institutions).
     
    I don't know if there was ever research indicating that women were, on average, duller than men, but Yeah, if Jones's research on average IQ and GDP was available 100+ years ago, chances are that some or even many people would have indeed used it to argue in favor of immigration restrictions as well as Jim Crow. Here's an early 1920s article talking about the allegedly lower average IQs of recent European immigrants to the US, for instance:

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/6403.pdf

    And Jim Crow ensured that the Southern US would have a smarter electorate than it would otherwise have by preventing duller blacks and poor whites from voting in a lot of cases.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    They will soon grow some of the fat or muscle cells and add it to the processed food.

    There was a lot of hype about this especially from the startup scene in Israel in the last years when they were doing the fundraising. It was somewhere in the biotech startup category for the speculation.

    I remember I posted this podcast in this forum a few years ago. ARK had a good podcast on the topic 4 years ago. In this example, they won’t grow the complex structures, but just growing fat and muscle cells from fibroblasts and they claim it could be economically possible in certain scales.

    After these parts of the “fourth industrial revolution”, animal farming could hopefully be reduced and this would result in a more ethical culture.

    Although with this particular technology, is it’s still a kind of processed food in the negative sense, at it will be without the ethical problem of killing animals.

    It doesn’t have the same structure as the animals’ tissue, like the people who boil lobsters etc. It’s adding animal cells to change the flavor and texture of the processed food.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Is it similar to this?

    https://scene7.samsclub.com/is/image/samsclub/0081005729012_A

    Or does this not involve actual animal cells?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  439. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @QCIC

    How much Russian nonsense does a Westerner need to consume in order to produce the above?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    My motivation for commenting has been to alert people to the dangers of WW3 and nuclear war stemming directly from the Ukraine-Western fiasco. This was prompted by a continuous stream of apparently heartfelt and often wildly misleading comments by you and Mr. Hack and more obvious pro-War trolling by others.

    This phase of my commenting task may be winding down. If Unz readers don’t recognize these serious risks by now, they never will.

    My new phase is an attempt to understand what might be a better tomorrow for the Ukrainian survivors over the next few years (ok, call it a least bad tomorrow). I realize this idea and premises must horrify you, but maybe not as much as the idea of WW3 horrifies me.

    I generate mostly my own opinions in this area. I generally don’t follow Russian information channels other than what is reposted by Western truth-tellers. Much of my tiny understanding of Ukrainian history comes from the discussions here at Unz which I thank you and other sincere posters for creating. On the other hand, I have some awareness of the various technical capabilities and experience of the Russian military which are one of my lenses for viewing the SMO (along with my understanding of the Cold War and MAD). The Western and Ukrainian tales of a lack of Russian military capability or competence seem unrealistic from this view, so I seek other explanations for what is going on.

    You can participate in a similar and possibly less distasteful (for you) post-SMO thought process by thinking about the outcome of a hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea. How do you visualize the people living in those areas in two years after Kiev sends in the NeoNazis?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea.
     
    That can only be a thought experiment, like Schrödinger’s cat. Crimea and Donbass (BTW, Lugansk region is part of it) will never be in Ukraine again.

    As far as WW3 is concerned, I see only one way it can be avoided: the imperial gang admits defeat. That would require sane leadership in the empire, with the self-preservation in mind. I do not see how anybody sane can replace current psychopaths ruling the US via demented puppet. Then again, I am not in a position to know what is really going on within the ruling cabal.

    Replies: @sudden death

  440. @QCIC
    @AP

    My motivation for commenting has been to alert people to the dangers of WW3 and nuclear war stemming directly from the Ukraine-Western fiasco. This was prompted by a continuous stream of apparently heartfelt and often wildly misleading comments by you and Mr. Hack and more obvious pro-War trolling by others.

    This phase of my commenting task may be winding down. If Unz readers don't recognize these serious risks by now, they never will.

    My new phase is an attempt to understand what might be a better tomorrow for the Ukrainian survivors over the next few years (ok, call it a least bad tomorrow). I realize this idea and premises must horrify you, but maybe not as much as the idea of WW3 horrifies me.

    I generate mostly my own opinions in this area. I generally don't follow Russian information channels other than what is reposted by Western truth-tellers. Much of my tiny understanding of Ukrainian history comes from the discussions here at Unz which I thank you and other sincere posters for creating. On the other hand, I have some awareness of the various technical capabilities and experience of the Russian military which are one of my lenses for viewing the SMO (along with my understanding of the Cold War and MAD). The Western and Ukrainian tales of a lack of Russian military capability or competence seem unrealistic from this view, so I seek other explanations for what is going on.

    You can participate in a similar and possibly less distasteful (for you) post-SMO thought process by thinking about the outcome of a hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea. How do you visualize the people living in those areas in two years after Kiev sends in the NeoNazis?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea.

    That can only be a thought experiment, like Schrödinger’s cat. Crimea and Donbass (BTW, Lugansk region is part of it) will never be in Ukraine again.

    As far as WW3 is concerned, I see only one way it can be avoided: the imperial gang admits defeat. That would require sane leadership in the empire, with the self-preservation in mind. I do not see how anybody sane can replace current psychopaths ruling the US via demented puppet. Then again, I am not in a position to know what is really going on within the ruling cabal.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    ruling the US via demented puppet
     
    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:

    Q How do you respond to the Kremlin calling this a “colossal risk,” Mr. President?

    THE PRESIDENT: It is for them.

    Q And, Mr. President, on the debt limit, you said already, “I’ve done…”

    Q Can you speak to your experience —

    Q “I’ve done my part.” Do you think that if there is a breach, nobody is going to blame you?

    THE PRESIDENT: Of course no one would blame me. I know you won’t. You’ll be saying, “Biden did a wonderful job.” (Laughter.) I — I know you.

    Q I’m asking: Would you be blameless in a default situation?

    THE PRESIDENT: On the merits based on what I’ve offered, I would be blameless. On the politics of it, no one would be blameless. And, by the way, that’s one of the — that’s one of the things that some are — are contemplating.

    I actually had — well, I got to be careful here. I think there are some MAGA Republicans in the House who know the damage that it would do to the economy. And because I am President, and presidents are responsible for everything, Biden would take the blame. And that’s the one way to make sure Biden is not reelected.
     

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/05/21/remarks-by-president-biden-in-a-press-conference/

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1660326383996788736

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  441. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    They will soon grow some of the fat or muscle cells and add it to the processed food.

    There was a lot of hype about this especially from the startup scene in Israel in the last years when they were doing the fundraising. It was somewhere in the biotech startup category for the speculation.

    I remember I posted this podcast in this forum a few years ago. ARK had a good podcast on the topic 4 years ago. In this example, they won't grow the complex structures, but just growing fat and muscle cells from fibroblasts and they claim it could be economically possible in certain scales.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIU9x_i_r-M


    After these parts of the "fourth industrial revolution", animal farming could hopefully be reduced and this would result in a more ethical culture.

    Although with this particular technology, is it's still a kind of processed food in the negative sense, at it will be without the ethical problem of killing animals.

    It doesn't have the same structure as the animals' tissue, like the people who boil lobsters etc. It's adding animal cells to change the flavor and texture of the processed food.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Is it similar to this?

    https://scene7.samsclub.com/is/image/samsclub/0081005729012_A

    Or does this not involve actual animal cells?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    Beyond Meat are processed food products from plant proteins.

    This new idea is to grow animal fat cells artificially, then add this is to the processed food products. The comment which summarized the podcast says.

    "A different way of decreasing the cost for the consumer would be to combine the synthetic meat with plantbased protein such as a soy or pea. The reason this could work is that there are only small difference between plantbased protein and animal protein. The difference stems from the animal fat, which causes the typical taste of meat. It is possible to manipulate the cells of the synthetic meat in such a way, that the meat consists mostly of animal fat. If you combine that with plantbased protein it will have the flavour of meat and similar nutritional value. By doing so, it is possible to produce 5kg of hybrid meat out of 1kg of synthetic meat and plants. "
     

    It's a very industrialized product, at least, doesn't have the negative ethical problem of killing real animals.

    -

    There is another startup UPSIDE foods which received some funding. A few of these different startups already have these pilot projects beginning soon. So, it's just hype for the last years, but it's probably going to become a real industry later this decade. That report seemed not to explain the animal cells wouldn't be structured.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSS9Em4a_qs

    Replies: @Yahya

  442. @AP
    @QCIC

    How much Russian nonsense does a Westerner need to consume in order to produce the above?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Off-topic, but what are your thoughts on Poland banning American Renaissance man Jared Taylor from the EU/Schengen zone?

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/poland-doesnt-want-pro-europeans/

  443. @songbird
    @German_reader

    I sometimes think that men who fought in WW2 - the medal-winners, even the generals and heads of state - if they had been cryogenically frozen and de-thawed in our time, would be less concerned about about WW2, than some on this forum.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I think that they might have concluded that they should have voted for Strom Thurmond in 1948. Though they’d have been surprised that Thurmond had a secret illegitimate half-black daughter, thus making him a hypocrite for supporting anti-miscegenation laws while at the same time that he himself personally engaged in miscegenation.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    I don't think that it was something really decided by voting, but by a very narrow circle of elites.

    Truman desegregated the military, seemingly without listening to his generals. There were several Supreme Court decisions.

    The vote was already enough to override a veto, without including some who were ideologically in favor but withheld their vote because they felt it did not go far enough.

  444. The activists who threw black dye in the Trevi Fountain, should, in turn, be forced to become black themselves.

  445. @Wokechoke
    @Wielgus

    Azov is a very provocative name for an Ukraine division.

    Replies: @Sean

    It’s better than Azathoth!

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    Synagogue of Satan Brigade

  446. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    I think that they might have concluded that they should have voted for Strom Thurmond in 1948. Though they'd have been surprised that Thurmond had a secret illegitimate half-black daughter, thus making him a hypocrite for supporting anti-miscegenation laws while at the same time that he himself personally engaged in miscegenation.

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t think that it was something really decided by voting, but by a very narrow circle of elites.

    Truman desegregated the military, seemingly without listening to his generals. There were several Supreme Court decisions.

    The vote was already enough to override a veto, without including some who were ideologically in favor but withheld their vote because they felt it did not go far enough.

  447. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    SMO was about Ukraine for a few weeks. But as soon as NATO weapons and ammo started pouring in, it’s not about Ukraine any more. Today the RF is fighting the whole imperial crime family. The empire ensnared itself in its own trap, it cannot pretend that it’s not a combatant any more. An issue now is world order. Ukraine provides battleground and so far provided most of the cannon fodder, but that’s it. Where the masters’ interests are at stake, servants have no agency.

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation. However, I don’t see sane forces in current Ukraine in a position to achieve that: most sane people with any leadership qualities have either run away before or are being held and tortured in SBU dungeons. Maybe the RF can still find some credible people there, the existence of which I am not aware of. The most likely scenario is widespread destruction of infrastructure and human capital in former Ukraine, which would make it a hopeless shithole for decades.

    The empire is on the slippery slope: from ammo, old Soviet artillery pieces, tanks, and jets, to Western armored personnel carriers and HIMARS, to tanks and anti-aircraft systems, now to F-16s. The empire itself still holds the fig leaf of supplying most of these things through vassals, but that’s no more than a fig leaf, implausible deniability. Prevailing public opinion in Russia is a lot more anti-Western than Putin, and he tends to follow public opinion, usually with some time lag.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc. The war will keeping going until this result is achieved, regardless whose puppets rule in Kiev.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation.

    They wouldn’t exist in that situation. Putin planned on eliminating them as a state.

    Why would they completely capitulate when Putin has signaled that he is only going after Donbas? He failed to take Kiev and the country but clearly wants Donbas as a consolation prize. They don’t have the manpower to attempt another attack on Kiev so why would Ukraine quit at this point?

    It makes far more sense for Ukraine to wait for all the Western weapons and then gamble on an offensive. If it doesn’t work then negotiate over Donbas.

    Putin is using T-55s and his troops continue to show up in mismatched camo. He does not have some secret auxiliary army.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc.

    Total fantasy. The UN voted 141-5 that the annexations were illegal. The world is not looking to Russia for leadership.

    Every single year someone proclaims it to be the last year of the dollar.

    But I’m sure this year will be it now that Putin is reviled by everyone but a few states with dictators.

    At the start of the war we had pro-Putin posters that claimed the dollar was over. Well it finished ahead of the Euro and the Ruble.

    Putin talked of a “multipolar world” but that is only a buzzword with his fans. In the real world he is hated and viewed as an albatross on global economic progress.

    Putin says all kinds of things. So what? In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine. Last year he referred to them as Russian territory that doesn’t deserve autonomy.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ,

    You have an interesting mix: 9 parts tedious, repetitious and often incorrect facts to 1 part mildly interesting information.

    Oops, I forgot about 10 parts "Putin is too short" :(

    The dollar and debt issue is amazing. I chalk up the survival of the greenback to worldwide technological progress barely keeping up with wasteful debt-driven process in the economy and built-in wealth transfers to the elites who pull the strings. Somehow it balances out...so far. This is one of the many process in the modern world apparently designed to destroy the Western middle-class.

    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    You mean the Russian Federation is viewed as a stumbling block to neo liberal resource extraction economics.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine.
     
    He also in a particular speech told Latvia and/or Estonia to get over the idea of losing a tiny bit of their territory to Russia as a result of the USSR's conquest of these countries back in 1940 because, guess what, Russia itself lost Crimea and isn't complaining about this (well, wasn't complaining about this during that time)!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_changes_of_the_Baltic_states

    "President Vladimir Putin in his speech regarding these territories said that "it goes against the spirit of modern Europe" to raise issues like this one, that "Russia as well has lost many of its external territories during the breakup of the Soviet Union, such as the Crimea".[citation needed] In an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda in May 2005, Putin addressed the issue of Pytalovo, when he stated that Russia would not hold any negotiations with Latvia which involved territorial losses for Russia.[5][6]"

    Can someone here please find the exact source for the first sentence in the paragraph above?
  448. @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    Is it similar to this?

    https://scene7.samsclub.com/is/image/samsclub/0081005729012_A

    Or does this not involve actual animal cells?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Beyond Meat are processed food products from plant proteins.

    This new idea is to grow animal fat cells artificially, then add this is to the processed food products. The comment which summarized the podcast says.

    “A different way of decreasing the cost for the consumer would be to combine the synthetic meat with plantbased protein such as a soy or pea. The reason this could work is that there are only small difference between plantbased protein and animal protein. The difference stems from the animal fat, which causes the typical taste of meat. It is possible to manipulate the cells of the synthetic meat in such a way, that the meat consists mostly of animal fat. If you combine that with plantbased protein it will have the flavour of meat and similar nutritional value. By doing so, it is possible to produce 5kg of hybrid meat out of 1kg of synthetic meat and plants. ”

    It’s a very industrialized product, at least, doesn’t have the negative ethical problem of killing real animals.

    There is another startup UPSIDE foods which received some funding. A few of these different startups already have these pilot projects beginning soon. So, it’s just hype for the last years, but it’s probably going to become a real industry later this decade. That report seemed not to explain the animal cells wouldn’t be structured.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged.
     
    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.


    https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/religious-divisions-of-europe-map-austrasia-hajnal-line.png


    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same “genetic engineering” as South Korea.
     
    North Korea is evidently kept down by an extreme form of communism, which almost every HBDer recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very few high IQ nations are poor, and picking out the 3-4 outliers doesn't negate the reliability or validity of IQ in predicting economic success. The HBD argument isn't that genetics determines destiny, but that it plays an importantrole, especially in the modern age, where cognitive capability is critical to industrial development.

    If "governance software" were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain's (or Portugal's) developmental level, despite being culturally and politically modeled upon their mother country?

    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png

    Why does India, despite being governed mostly by an Oxbridge-educated Anglophonic elite, not come anywhere close to Singapore's level of development? Did it not occur to any of India's leaders to come up with the zany idea of modelling their government after British norms and institutions. You think Nehru, steeped in J.S. Mill and other British thinkers, was incapable of absorbing the ideas of his intellectual idols, and putting them into practice?

    Why does India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still lag Russia in economic development, despite the stranglehold exerted by Bolshevism and Communism on the latter country? You think Stalin imported better governmental software than Nehru?


    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png


    Is it a coincidence that 95%+ of Eastern European nations reached upper income levels as soon as the Iron Curtain fell down, while no Latin American, African or South Asian country did?


    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt’s GDP), better infrastructure than Germany.

     

    South Korea is not a member of the EU, doesn't receive as much subsidies, yet is richer and more productive than Poland.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

  449. @AP
    @Beckow


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    Poles refused.

    Russians survived because of Polish refusal. But millions of Poles were killed.

    Russian ingratitude is amazing. And they think the Poles should been grateful to them. For doing what the Poles refused to do - allying with the Nazis. And doing nothing until the Nazis attacked them. And thanking the Poles by occupying them afterwards.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos
     
    It is not "again."

    USSR was Russia + Ukraine + a bunch of other countries.

    Now, just Russia.

    Unless by "again" you mean the last time that Russia without Ukraine got into a war against a Western country? That was when it lost to Poland.

    Or by "again" you mean previous such wars against the Slavs to its West? The last one before 1920 when it didn't have Ukraine on its side was in 1632-1634. It lost that one also. Just as it lost the war from 1605-1618. And the one from 1577-1582.

    Russia only consistently wins wars against Western rivals when it is united with Ukraine. It's an obvious and old lesson, it's why Putin was so desperate for union with Ukraine. Maybe even someone as ignorant and dumb as you are will figure it out.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail.
     
    According to you, the idiot.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“

    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn’t have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.

    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    All his negotiations with the Poles were for show. He planned on getting revenge over WW1 by taking Poland and made a deal with the worst Communist in history to split the country in half.

    It was Hitler that not only allied with a Communist but carpet bombed Warsaw. It was Hitler that wanted Warsaw wiped off the face of the earth. He planned on eliminating the Polish identity entirely. The existence of Poland was an insulting reminder to German WW1 vets that they had lost. The Germans were secretly drawing up plans to turn Poland into German farmland while publicly talking about the Polish corridor. His final pretense for attacking was a lazy false flag operation. In his own book he talked about taking land from the East.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    That is correct. It was Hitler’s greed and desire for revenge that led to his demise. If he went after the USSR through Romania and The Baltics it would have collapsed. Hitler actually originally planned for a single army to head straight for the Volgograd. It was actually a sound plan. Instead of invading Moscow like Napolean he planned on creating an economic shockwave by cutting off their grain and oil. Screwing with Poland and then Western Europe led to too many casualties. It also gave Stalin time to build up mechanized divisions.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.
     
    Comparable to pre-1944 Hungary?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @AP
    @John Johnson


    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn’t have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.
     

    Hitler admired Pilsudski (he also admired Mannerheim) and sought an alliance with him:

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Later, after all the refusals, and after Pilsudski's death (he respectfully attended the funeral), the German attitude became what you described.

  450. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation.

    They wouldn't exist in that situation. Putin planned on eliminating them as a state.

    Why would they completely capitulate when Putin has signaled that he is only going after Donbas? He failed to take Kiev and the country but clearly wants Donbas as a consolation prize. They don't have the manpower to attempt another attack on Kiev so why would Ukraine quit at this point?

    It makes far more sense for Ukraine to wait for all the Western weapons and then gamble on an offensive. If it doesn't work then negotiate over Donbas.

    Putin is using T-55s and his troops continue to show up in mismatched camo. He does not have some secret auxiliary army.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc.

    Total fantasy. The UN voted 141-5 that the annexations were illegal. The world is not looking to Russia for leadership.

    Every single year someone proclaims it to be the last year of the dollar.

    But I'm sure this year will be it now that Putin is reviled by everyone but a few states with dictators.

    At the start of the war we had pro-Putin posters that claimed the dollar was over. Well it finished ahead of the Euro and the Ruble.

    Putin talked of a "multipolar world" but that is only a buzzword with his fans. In the real world he is hated and viewed as an albatross on global economic progress.

    Putin says all kinds of things. So what? In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine. Last year he referred to them as Russian territory that doesn't deserve autonomy.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    JJ,

    You have an interesting mix: 9 parts tedious, repetitious and often incorrect facts to 1 part mildly interesting information.

    Oops, I forgot about 10 parts “Putin is too short” 🙁

    The dollar and debt issue is amazing. I chalk up the survival of the greenback to worldwide technological progress barely keeping up with wasteful debt-driven process in the economy and built-in wealth transfers to the elites who pull the strings. Somehow it balances out…so far. This is one of the many process in the modern world apparently designed to destroy the Western middle-class.

  451. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    blacks don't have a problem with whites, this is a right wing fantasy. Blacks do have a bit of a problem with Asians and Latinos, but even then not much. Blacks just want to live their lives and don't care about politics. They don't trust any government authority, even their own elected leaders.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    I’ve seen data suggesting that they disfavor sending gear to Ukraine and oppose actual deployment of troops.

  452. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The rightist intellectual class can be impressive at times, but Yeah, a lot of the rightist proles aren't exactly super-inspiring. Such as when they bought into Trump's 2020 election lies, COVID vaccine denial, deep state conspiracies, et cetera.

    Worth noting, of course, that it's possible that some of the rightist intellectual class has migrated to the Democrats or at least become neutral over the last couple of decades due to them being purged by the right. "Respectable Right" figures like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger, for instance.

    Russian nationalists should embrace Israeli-style pro-natalism along with a post-WWII German-style aversion to militarism and guilt culture, with Ukrainians becoming Russia's holy cow just like Jews became Germany's holy cow post-WWII. Imagine Russia being led by a highly technocratic Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) in the late 21st century while having a TFR of 2.5. Now that would be epic and would likely result in a Renaissance for Russia were this to ever occur.

    BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and Middle suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine's suffering, including Ukraine's involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Anatoly Karlin

    Rasputin who apparently did reflect Russian public opinion said that helping Serbia was a bad idea. He made fun of the idea of helping out little brothers like Bulgaria or Serbia because they’d just drag you down with them.

    So Russians generally were not keen on expansion in the Balkans or toward Germany and Austria.

    There’s plenty of published pamphlets by Rasputin that show he was a perceptive and farseeing geostrategist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    On this specific issue, Rasputin was certainly smart. But his view was not accepted by the Russian Tsar or by the Russian Duma back in 1914 or in any other year before the Bolshevik coup.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    Non paywalled ny times:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20221205181729/https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    I enjoyed reading Smith's book. Much of it relies on sources which are contradictory. The most interesting bits new to me:

    1. Rasputin was virtually illiterate. The book has a picture of him holding a pencil. He was about as good with a pencil as I am with chopsticks.

    2. When he visited prostitutes it wasn't for sex services. He preached the gospel at 'em.

    3. He did nurse the Czar's son back from death's door a handful of times.

    4. He opposed the war because that's what his prayers/meditations compelled.

    Attributing geopolitics acumen to the fellow seems absurd.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  453. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation.

    They wouldn't exist in that situation. Putin planned on eliminating them as a state.

    Why would they completely capitulate when Putin has signaled that he is only going after Donbas? He failed to take Kiev and the country but clearly wants Donbas as a consolation prize. They don't have the manpower to attempt another attack on Kiev so why would Ukraine quit at this point?

    It makes far more sense for Ukraine to wait for all the Western weapons and then gamble on an offensive. If it doesn't work then negotiate over Donbas.

    Putin is using T-55s and his troops continue to show up in mismatched camo. He does not have some secret auxiliary army.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc.

    Total fantasy. The UN voted 141-5 that the annexations were illegal. The world is not looking to Russia for leadership.

    Every single year someone proclaims it to be the last year of the dollar.

    But I'm sure this year will be it now that Putin is reviled by everyone but a few states with dictators.

    At the start of the war we had pro-Putin posters that claimed the dollar was over. Well it finished ahead of the Euro and the Ruble.

    Putin talked of a "multipolar world" but that is only a buzzword with his fans. In the real world he is hated and viewed as an albatross on global economic progress.

    Putin says all kinds of things. So what? In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine. Last year he referred to them as Russian territory that doesn't deserve autonomy.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    You mean the Russian Federation is viewed as a stumbling block to neo liberal resource extraction economics.

  454. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Rasputin who apparently did reflect Russian public opinion said that helping Serbia was a bad idea. He made fun of the idea of helping out little brothers like Bulgaria or Serbia because they’d just drag you down with them.

    So Russians generally were not keen on expansion in the Balkans or toward Germany and Austria.

    There’s plenty of published pamphlets by Rasputin that show he was a perceptive and farseeing geostrategist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    On this specific issue, Rasputin was certainly smart. But his view was not accepted by the Russian Tsar or by the Russian Duma back in 1914 or in any other year before the Bolshevik coup.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Just goes to show

  455. @John Johnson
    @AP


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn't have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.

    Hitler's last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn't a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    All his negotiations with the Poles were for show. He planned on getting revenge over WW1 by taking Poland and made a deal with the worst Communist in history to split the country in half.

    It was Hitler that not only allied with a Communist but carpet bombed Warsaw. It was Hitler that wanted Warsaw wiped off the face of the earth. He planned on eliminating the Polish identity entirely. The existence of Poland was an insulting reminder to German WW1 vets that they had lost. The Germans were secretly drawing up plans to turn Poland into German farmland while publicly talking about the Polish corridor. His final pretense for attacking was a lazy false flag operation. In his own book he talked about taking land from the East.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    That is correct. It was Hitler's greed and desire for revenge that led to his demise. If he went after the USSR through Romania and The Baltics it would have collapsed. Hitler actually originally planned for a single army to head straight for the Volgograd. It was actually a sound plan. Instead of invading Moscow like Napolean he planned on creating an economic shockwave by cutting off their grain and oil. Screwing with Poland and then Western Europe led to too many casualties. It also gave Stalin time to build up mechanized divisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    Comparable to pre-1944 Hungary?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ


    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.
     
    Comparable to pre-1944 Hungary?

    Not at all.

    Hungary was a voluntary member of the Axis alliance up until 1944.

    Poland was basically given an offer to submit to German rule. Hitler planned on carving up Poland from the beginning. It was a common belief by Germans at the time that Poland was an artificial state. Hitler completely ignored their fight against the Soviets in the Polish-Soviet war. The great anti-communist dictator signed a deal with Stalin to split Poland. Both dictators had former anti-Communist combat veterans executed. Truly shameful and ignored by Hitler apologists that try to depict him as trying to save Europe from Communism.

  456. No wonder that after finally finishing Bahmut such type RF mobik-waifu video appeared:

    Russian women appeal to Putin for assistance with their mobilised men – in this new video, women say their men were commanded by a Separate Sabotage Assault Brigade “Veterany” [Veterans], who sent them into meat assaults in Bakhmut, which saw only 130 men survive out of 500. Two platoons have been completely lost

    .

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death

    But has Bakhmut fallen? Zelensky doesn't think so and the Western media continue referring to the fall of Bakhmut as just a "Russian claim". Interestingly, the most militant pro-Ukrainian accounts on Twitter, like Roepcke or Theiner, admitted the loss of Bakhmut as soon as Prigozhin announced it. Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the "free world".

    Replies: @LatW

  457. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    There is one way Ukraine can save whatever is still left of it and get out of this fight: unconditional capitulation.

    They wouldn't exist in that situation. Putin planned on eliminating them as a state.

    Why would they completely capitulate when Putin has signaled that he is only going after Donbas? He failed to take Kiev and the country but clearly wants Donbas as a consolation prize. They don't have the manpower to attempt another attack on Kiev so why would Ukraine quit at this point?

    It makes far more sense for Ukraine to wait for all the Western weapons and then gamble on an offensive. If it doesn't work then negotiate over Donbas.

    Putin is using T-55s and his troops continue to show up in mismatched camo. He does not have some secret auxiliary army.

    Ukraine is virtually irrelevant for the final result: transition from a unipolar to a multi-polar world, dethroning of the USD and Euro, etc.

    Total fantasy. The UN voted 141-5 that the annexations were illegal. The world is not looking to Russia for leadership.

    Every single year someone proclaims it to be the last year of the dollar.

    But I'm sure this year will be it now that Putin is reviled by everyone but a few states with dictators.

    At the start of the war we had pro-Putin posters that claimed the dollar was over. Well it finished ahead of the Euro and the Ruble.

    Putin talked of a "multipolar world" but that is only a buzzword with his fans. In the real world he is hated and viewed as an albatross on global economic progress.

    Putin says all kinds of things. So what? In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine. Last year he referred to them as Russian territory that doesn't deserve autonomy.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    In 2008 he said that he had no border contentions with Ukraine.

    He also in a particular speech told Latvia and/or Estonia to get over the idea of losing a tiny bit of their territory to Russia as a result of the USSR’s conquest of these countries back in 1940 because, guess what, Russia itself lost Crimea and isn’t complaining about this (well, wasn’t complaining about this during that time)!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_changes_of_the_Baltic_states

    “President Vladimir Putin in his speech regarding these territories said that “it goes against the spirit of modern Europe” to raise issues like this one, that “Russia as well has lost many of its external territories during the breakup of the Soviet Union, such as the Crimea”.[citation needed] In an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda in May 2005, Putin addressed the issue of Pytalovo, when he stated that Russia would not hold any negotiations with Latvia which involved territorial losses for Russia.[5][6]”

    Can someone here please find the exact source for the first sentence in the paragraph above?

  458. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    "Rightoids" (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated
     
    The only thing that has been invalidated is the "Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated" nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don't be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Ok. In other words, you've decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa, @Anatoly Karlin

    Rightoids” (why the *?Rightoids” (why the *?

    AK’s personal war-on-one vowel-per-group-I-despise is a strangely annoying rhetorical flourish.

    As Ivashka said upthread, Karlin is a smart guy and it’s too bad to see him identifying as an object (whatever inscrutable thing that is supposed to mean). I hope he rediscovers the joys of being a man again. Despite the way he feels I’ve certainly never found my manhood to have any intractable connotations of loserhood. I wish him the best.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa

    When I was a lot younger, there was a half-joking Russian song that you cannot lose something you don’t have. It started with words that is you don’t have a dog, your neighbor won’t poison it, and you can’t end up fighting your friend if you don’t have any friends, and ended that if you don’t live, you won’t have to die.

    I think it’s applicable in this case.

  459. @AP
    @QCIC

    How much Russian nonsense does a Westerner need to consume in order to produce the above?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Also, off-topic, but Tulsi Gabbard strikes you as a Russian shill, doesn’t she? She condemns warmongers without ever actually including Putin, the actual warmonger here:

    As Greg Cochran pointed out, Putin started this war out of nothing (Ukraine was not planning an Operation Storm in the near future and in any case merely occupying and annexing the Donbass would have been enough to reduce the risk of this to virtually zero; there was absolutely no need for Putin and Russia to attack the rest of Ukraine) and he can easily give himself an off-ramp anytime. Just declare victory and get out lol. Though I wonder if the Russian people will overthrow Putin if he does this. Anyway, if Putin wants to keep on bleeding Russia, then it would be quite sad for Russia but also (quite Machiavellian-ly!) great for the West. More delicious humble pie for Russia to eat in the future.

    The more that Russia bleeds from this war, the less likely that Russia will attempt to conquer Ukraine in the future if it will fail to do so this time around. So, there actually *is* a non-sadistic reason for Westerners to maximize Russian suffering on the battlefield right now. Though obviously this should only be done if it has a chance of securing better peace terms for Ukraine, since otherwise Ukraine is going to be bleeding a lot as well for no purpose.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The text in this post is incorrect. The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine. I don't know why Tulsi actually cares, but she is not wrong. Do you people really want to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe?

    To all the Ukies: Yes, minor disagreements. Very minor. Wake up! Snap out of your trance, we are in the 21st century now.

    Tulsi G (Top G???) = Globalist limited hangout

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

  460. @Wokechoke
    @Sher Singh

    Get back in line and shut yer pie hole Badmash.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  461. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader


    Rightoids” (why the *?Rightoids” (why the *?
     
    AK's personal war-on-one vowel-per-group-I-despise is a strangely annoying rhetorical flourish.

    As Ivashka said upthread, Karlin is a smart guy and it's too bad to see him identifying as an object (whatever inscrutable thing that is supposed to mean). I hope he rediscovers the joys of being a man again. Despite the way he feels I've certainly never found my manhood to have any intractable connotations of loserhood. I wish him the best.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    When I was a lot younger, there was a half-joking Russian song that you cannot lose something you don’t have. It started with words that is you don’t have a dog, your neighbor won’t poison it, and you can’t end up fighting your friend if you don’t have any friends, and ended that if you don’t live, you won’t have to die.

    I think it’s applicable in this case.

  462. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    Rasputin who apparently did reflect Russian public opinion said that helping Serbia was a bad idea. He made fun of the idea of helping out little brothers like Bulgaria or Serbia because they’d just drag you down with them.

    So Russians generally were not keen on expansion in the Balkans or toward Germany and Austria.

    There’s plenty of published pamphlets by Rasputin that show he was a perceptive and farseeing geostrategist.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Non paywalled ny times:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20221205181729/https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    I enjoyed reading Smith’s book. Much of it relies on sources which are contradictory. The most interesting bits new to me:

    1. Rasputin was virtually illiterate. The book has a picture of him holding a pencil. He was about as good with a pencil as I am with chopsticks.

    2. When he visited prostitutes it wasn’t for sex services. He preached the gospel at ’em.

    3. He did nurse the Czar’s son back from death’s door a handful of times.

    4. He opposed the war because that’s what his prayers/meditations compelled.

    Attributing geopolitics acumen to the fellow seems absurd.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes he wasn't the devil they described. He was a kind of holy man, a wandering mystic. He believed that Russian War against the German Empire would end in disaster. And it did. He foretold that if he gets killed, then Russia will go through a lot of pain and the Czar family would perish. This is exactly what happened. He was an interesting fellow.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  463. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1660123613893206017

    Replies: @sudden death

    2 day old video of Zaluzhny “raised from coma” in video call – legs not shown, might be amputee perhaps or just all entirely fullest deep fake done by visual AI;)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    In Alexander Mercouris Bakhmut fallen video he has Bakhmut fallen and Zaluzhny not dead despite the thousands of reports.

  464. @sudden death
    @Mikhail

    2 day old video of Zaluzhny "raised from coma" in video call - legs not shown, might be amputee perhaps or just all entirely fullest deep fake done by visual AI;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXCkzVA0hBY&t=67s

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    In Alexander Mercouris Bakhmut fallen video he has Bakhmut fallen and Zaluzhny not dead despite the thousands of reports.

  465. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    Non paywalled ny times:

    http://web.archive.org/web/20221205181729/https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/books/rasputin-biography-douglas-smith.html

    I enjoyed reading Smith's book. Much of it relies on sources which are contradictory. The most interesting bits new to me:

    1. Rasputin was virtually illiterate. The book has a picture of him holding a pencil. He was about as good with a pencil as I am with chopsticks.

    2. When he visited prostitutes it wasn't for sex services. He preached the gospel at 'em.

    3. He did nurse the Czar's son back from death's door a handful of times.

    4. He opposed the war because that's what his prayers/meditations compelled.

    Attributing geopolitics acumen to the fellow seems absurd.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Yes he wasn’t the devil they described. He was a kind of holy man, a wandering mystic. He believed that Russian War against the German Empire would end in disaster. And it did. He foretold that if he gets killed, then Russia will go through a lot of pain and the Czar family would perish. This is exactly what happened. He was an interesting fellow.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Ivashka the fool

    He. Got a lot spot on. The pamphlets he wrote about war over Serbia and Bulgaria are full of acumen.

  466. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes he wasn't the devil they described. He was a kind of holy man, a wandering mystic. He believed that Russian War against the German Empire would end in disaster. And it did. He foretold that if he gets killed, then Russia will go through a lot of pain and the Czar family would perish. This is exactly what happened. He was an interesting fellow.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    He. Got a lot spot on. The pamphlets he wrote about war over Serbia and Bulgaria are full of acumen.

  467. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Technically, she was a pleb, but there was a patrician branch of the gens, so maybe Livy was retconning it.

    400+ years is a long time, anyway. I know some local traditions have been garbled in less time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    [MORE]

    https://www.tumblr.com/ehmerapunjab/38301395501/sucha-soorma

    This is the flower of Punjab the Brits or any Christian state have always hated.
    How many such righteous deeds were punished in 2000 years of tyranny in Europe?

    One can only imagine.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Thanks: songbird
  468. @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    It's better than Azathoth!

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Synagogue of Satan Brigade

  469. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    hypothetical Ukrainian reclamation of Donbass, Luhansk and Crimea.
     
    That can only be a thought experiment, like Schrödinger’s cat. Crimea and Donbass (BTW, Lugansk region is part of it) will never be in Ukraine again.

    As far as WW3 is concerned, I see only one way it can be avoided: the imperial gang admits defeat. That would require sane leadership in the empire, with the self-preservation in mind. I do not see how anybody sane can replace current psychopaths ruling the US via demented puppet. Then again, I am not in a position to know what is really going on within the ruling cabal.

    Replies: @sudden death

    ruling the US via demented puppet

    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:

    Q How do you respond to the Kremlin calling this a “colossal risk,” Mr. President?

    THE PRESIDENT: It is for them.

    Q And, Mr. President, on the debt limit, you said already, “I’ve done…”

    Q Can you speak to your experience —

    Q “I’ve done my part.” Do you think that if there is a breach, nobody is going to blame you?

    THE PRESIDENT: Of course no one would blame me. I know you won’t. You’ll be saying, “Biden did a wonderful job.” (Laughter.) I — I know you.

    Q I’m asking: Would you be blameless in a default situation?

    THE PRESIDENT: On the merits based on what I’ve offered, I would be blameless. On the politics of it, no one would be blameless. And, by the way, that’s one of the — that’s one of the things that some are — are contemplating.

    I actually had — well, I got to be careful here. I think there are some MAGA Republicans in the House who know the damage that it would do to the economy. And because I am President, and presidents are responsible for everything, Biden would take the blame. And that’s the one way to make sure Biden is not reelected.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/05/21/remarks-by-president-biden-in-a-press-conference/

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:
     
    Sometimes controls slip. Like when the puppet not only fell asleep, but farted loudly in public during Camilla’s speech at the UK climate summit. She is hard to embarrass, but this puppet managed. Or like it repeatedly forgets that it is supposed to be the president and calls Kamala president. Or when the puppet repeatedly shakes hands of non-existent people. The programming sometimes fails in simple tasks: the puppet often cannot find its way after press briefings. But overall, not bad for a demented half-corpse.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  470. I just had a wild night sky sighting I’d like opinions on.

    I’ve been gone all day and was doing some chores in the dark. After watering the cow I looked up into the clear starry sky to see a line of points of light traveling NE across the top of the sky. They spanned a considerable distance in the sky, I’d say approximately the equivalent if one held their hands 18″ apart at arms length.

    They about as bright as a moderate star, in a perfectly straight line and semi-regularly spaced, moving at a consistent moderate speed. I didn’t get a chance to count them but I’d say there were 15 or so.

    I figured they’d be visible for at least a couple minutes given their height in the sky and speed so I tried to call my wife’s phone to get here and the kids to look up and check it out. When I looked back up they were entirely gone, which was surprising.

    My best explanation is that they were some sort of satellite group that caught the sun just right, but that seems a little odd since sunset was quite a while ago. I’ve seen individual satellites fade like that but usually it’s much closer to when the sun sets.

    Anyone have any ideas of what might travel in a belt like that?

    The more entertaining alternate explanation is that it’s an alien armada that accidentally came out of cloaking for a minute on their way to attack Albany. If so I suppose we’ll hear on the news tomorrow if so!

    But anyhow, it was pretty wild whatever it was and I’d be interested in any good conjectures as to what it was.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Barbarossa

    Well, I spoiled my fun by checking the almighty search engine. It was just Starlink, which was what I half surmised.

    I should have held off on the instant gratification of knowing and heard it from you guys.

  471. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    ruling the US via demented puppet
     
    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:

    Q How do you respond to the Kremlin calling this a “colossal risk,” Mr. President?

    THE PRESIDENT: It is for them.

    Q And, Mr. President, on the debt limit, you said already, “I’ve done…”

    Q Can you speak to your experience —

    Q “I’ve done my part.” Do you think that if there is a breach, nobody is going to blame you?

    THE PRESIDENT: Of course no one would blame me. I know you won’t. You’ll be saying, “Biden did a wonderful job.” (Laughter.) I — I know you.

    Q I’m asking: Would you be blameless in a default situation?

    THE PRESIDENT: On the merits based on what I’ve offered, I would be blameless. On the politics of it, no one would be blameless. And, by the way, that’s one of the — that’s one of the things that some are — are contemplating.

    I actually had — well, I got to be careful here. I think there are some MAGA Republicans in the House who know the damage that it would do to the economy. And because I am President, and presidents are responsible for everything, Biden would take the blame. And that’s the one way to make sure Biden is not reelected.
     

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2023/05/21/remarks-by-president-biden-in-a-press-conference/

    https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1660326383996788736

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:

    Sometimes controls slip. Like when the puppet not only fell asleep, but farted loudly in public during Camilla’s speech at the UK climate summit. She is hard to embarrass, but this puppet managed. Or like it repeatedly forgets that it is supposed to be the president and calls Kamala president. Or when the puppet repeatedly shakes hands of non-existent people. The programming sometimes fails in simple tasks: the puppet often cannot find its way after press briefings. But overall, not bad for a demented half-corpse.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN


    But overall, not bad for a demented half-corpse.
     
    More praise for the puppet’s performance. AI of my Neato vacuum does not work as well as the puppet’s. Then again, it’s a lot cheaper.
  472. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    it’s prudent NOT to allow RADICAL Muslims to immigrate to the West.
     
    There is a fatal flaw with your proposal.

    The Boston Marathon bomber and Pulse nightclub killer became radicalized while in the U.S. There is no reason to believe that there is a reliable category of "non-radicals" guaranteed to have equally "non-radical" children & grand children. Recidivism is statistically inevitable.

    The only possible survival strategy for Judeo-Christian countries to keep children safe is near total exclusion.


    I do agree with you that if a state has a right to keep its existing racial/ethnic/religious character by restricting immigration, then it also has a comparable right to do so by criminalizing speech and/or religion (such as apostasy and/or pro-apostasy speech, or for that matter anti-Zionist speech) that could threaten its existing racial/ethnic/religious character.
     
    This needs to extend further into school and other key life activities. In America, money states, "In God We Trust". The Constitution never envisioned freedom from religion. Certainly, it does not protect anti-American concepts such as after school Satan clubs.

    We tried tolerance, and it failed. It opens the door to worse deviancy via acceptance and normalization. The solution is intolerance. If some one builds a mosque, burn it down. Then bankrupt them with removal fees & illegal construction charges. Public shaming works. It does not take many outcasts to prove the point.


    Factory farming can certainly eventually go out of style, but I’m unsure that hunting of animals ever will. People seem to love it way too much.
     
     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh0lzatjFD66xlvGm6xAgxbDVPlcwkcEqugFV6s0clhFtbrw3OU2BMvgawZmkY1NiNoQSDh-cJE-AnUuxKaCurq26xd4_1nXJelg6B8uncGiLdNCp7Ym0lsWSjeruYmp4CJmReWM_hQzaVB41xJmHSQG9cvuBoRfh9HhOHcmBJs0q0iekC36Ak2csDlPg/s733/90miles5db996374fae56c1e49d715cd6449bdd_c1102746_640.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

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  473. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.
     
    The Nazis and Poles would not have had the benefit of utilizing Western military equipment that they captured during the Fall of France in this scenario like they had in real life since there won't be a Fall of France in this scenario. That should hurt the Nazis and Poles a bit, albeit possibly not enough to prevent them from conquering the USSR unless the Anglo-French directly enter the war on the Soviet side.

    But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.
     
    The alternative for the Slovaks in early 1939 was for them to get conquered by Hungary. Would that have been better for them?

    Replies: @AP

    “Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.”

    The Nazis and Poles would not have had the benefit of utilizing Western military equipment that they captured during the Fall of France in this scenario like they had in real life since there won’t be a Fall of France in this scenario

    How critical was that, compared to perhaps 2 million additional troops and a starting point about 200 km further east?

    the Anglo-French directly enter the war on the Soviet side.

    I really doubt that the English and French would join the war on the Soviet side.

    “But Poles unlike your Slovak people, had the decency to refuse a Nazi alliance.”

    The alternative for the Slovaks in early 1939 was for them to get conquered by Hungary. Would that have been better for them?

    Well, the alternative for Poles to a German-Polish alliance was invasion and occupation by Germany. Poles still didn’t got for it. Sure, they thought they could count on the French and British to back them up, but still – they refused.

  474. @Barbarossa
    I just had a wild night sky sighting I'd like opinions on.

    I've been gone all day and was doing some chores in the dark. After watering the cow I looked up into the clear starry sky to see a line of points of light traveling NE across the top of the sky. They spanned a considerable distance in the sky, I'd say approximately the equivalent if one held their hands 18" apart at arms length.

    They about as bright as a moderate star, in a perfectly straight line and semi-regularly spaced, moving at a consistent moderate speed. I didn't get a chance to count them but I'd say there were 15 or so.

    I figured they'd be visible for at least a couple minutes given their height in the sky and speed so I tried to call my wife's phone to get here and the kids to look up and check it out. When I looked back up they were entirely gone, which was surprising.

    My best explanation is that they were some sort of satellite group that caught the sun just right, but that seems a little odd since sunset was quite a while ago. I've seen individual satellites fade like that but usually it's much closer to when the sun sets.

    Anyone have any ideas of what might travel in a belt like that?

    The more entertaining alternate explanation is that it's an alien armada that accidentally came out of cloaking for a minute on their way to attack Albany. If so I suppose we'll hear on the news tomorrow if so!

    But anyhow, it was pretty wild whatever it was and I'd be interested in any good conjectures as to what it was.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Well, I spoiled my fun by checking the almighty search engine. It was just Starlink, which was what I half surmised.

    I should have held off on the instant gratification of knowing and heard it from you guys.

  475. AP says:
    @John Johnson
    @AP


    “Russians should be grateful that Poles didn’t join the Germans in exterminating them“
     
    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn't have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.

    Hitler's last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn't a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    All his negotiations with the Poles were for show. He planned on getting revenge over WW1 by taking Poland and made a deal with the worst Communist in history to split the country in half.

    It was Hitler that not only allied with a Communist but carpet bombed Warsaw. It was Hitler that wanted Warsaw wiped off the face of the earth. He planned on eliminating the Polish identity entirely. The existence of Poland was an insulting reminder to German WW1 vets that they had lost. The Germans were secretly drawing up plans to turn Poland into German farmland while publicly talking about the Polish corridor. His final pretense for attacking was a lazy false flag operation. In his own book he talked about taking land from the East.

    Nazis almost won without Poland. with Poland, they would have started further East and would have had a few million more troops, who are very good at fighting Russians (see: 1920). It would have ended quickly.

    That is correct. It was Hitler's greed and desire for revenge that led to his demise. If he went after the USSR through Romania and The Baltics it would have collapsed. Hitler actually originally planned for a single army to head straight for the Volgograd. It was actually a sound plan. Instead of invading Moscow like Napolean he planned on creating an economic shockwave by cutting off their grain and oil. Screwing with Poland and then Western Europe led to too many casualties. It also gave Stalin time to build up mechanized divisions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Poles had a choice, offered by the Germans many times:

    Join the Germans (as Slovaks did) as anti-Soviet Allies, or refuse and face the consequences.

    They didn’t have a choice that allowed them to remain independent.

    Hitler admired Pilsudski (he also admired Mannerheim) and sought an alliance with him:

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jozef-Pilsudski/Later-years

    “Hitler repeatedly suggested a German-Polish alliance against the U.S.S.R., but Piłsudski took no notice of the proposal; he also declined to meet with Hitler. ”

    Later, after all the refusals, and after Pilsudski’s death (he respectfully attended the funeral), the German attitude became what you described.

  476. • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    LOL !
    LOL :)
    LOL ?
    LOL :(
    ...

  477. • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail

    This pic is all over Western MSM, even though it’s politically incorrect.

    Official Ukie reaction to the loss of “Fortress Bakhmut” reminds me of the old Russian joke about a woman who came to the neighbor to retrieve a borrowed crock. The neighbor says: “First, I never borrowed it; second, I’ve already returned it; third, it was cracked.”

  478. @songbird
    @German_reader

    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.

    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge


    iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods
     
    Tacitus claimed that Germans had idols but didn't anthropomorphize their gods. If he was correct, this seems to have later changed, but it is difficult to say when.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.

    Adding the disclaimer that my own area of interest Antiquity is on the Near-East and Greece, I could add a few things I’ve heard or read on the topic of Roman religion.

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The Hellenisation of the Romans of course began with the most educated people, but unfortunately that class is naturally the one which we have nigh-all the surviving written evidence from, so the nature of ‘indigenous’ Roman religion/mythology/ritual might be one area were archaeology can tell us more than the works of writers like Livy and Ovid (his one surviving work is both enormous and extremely dense, btw), who are all late anyway.

    Something you might find of interest though, is that Greek mythology is considered almost useless for reconstructing any Proto-IndoEuropean religion, since the pre-IE ‘Pelasgian’ influence and that of the Near-East are admixed in Greek classical religion to such an overwhelming degree.
    A very large number of Greek deities (and vocabulary more generally, e.g. quite basic words θαλασα -‘sea’) can’t be found to have any cognates from any surviving language group, and thus probably came from ‘pelasgian’.

    Conversely Roman mythology (or least, their deities’ names and associated ritual practice) is considered much more important for PIE studies in that regard, being less permeated by ‘foreign’ influences. This seems like quite an unintuitive finding to me, considering the Romans were at the northernmost frontier of the Latin world bordering the Etruscans (who may have subjugated them for a century, I know Gladiator fights at funerals were borrowed from them), but apparenty, the consensus is that this is the case.

    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.

    Hittite religion was (unsurprisingly) particularly syncretistic, as it was practiced in a region bordering several advanced non-IE civilisations, whilst also living amongst surviving non-IE Anatolian populations (Hatti, Urartu, Hurrian, pre-Lykian, presumably dozens more unwritten or leaving no surviving records).

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge

    Then again, if you just like the fables themselves and aren’t interested in their deeper anthropological origins, Livy and Ovid are indeed the main surviving sources for them.
    Livy in particular seems to have been feebleminded enough to have sincerely believed in it (reminded me Xenophon’s simple piety), whilst Ovid’s attitude is heavily ironic.

    I might differ from Bashibuzuk or Sher Singh in that I don’t believe there’s any special or arcane widsom to be derived from ancient PIE folktales, although admittedly any traditional religion is a valuable prophylactic against the sort of pitiable freakshow that Herr Karlin has chosen to get into.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    I have been to a few museum shows where they displayed Roman household idols. They have tons of these. Some of them are as small as 4". Like Star Wars action figures.

    Maybe in a few millennia the archaeologists from Aldebaran can dig up our Hermes and whatnot.

    https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5af24586e7494027b796a200/1647205822314-DVVBAOCP7TTB93R1T5Z4/IMG_1474.JPG

    , @LondonBob
    @Yevardian

    A modern day Horatio at the Bridge.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/west-hams-angel-of-alkmaar-who-single-handedly-fought-off-dutch-ultras-is-a-dad-of-four/ar-AA1bptMi

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.
     
    The book by Tim Cornell about early Rome which I mentioned recently argues that Greek cultural influence on Rome was already pervasive in the archaic era (iirc at least as early as the 7th century BC), and that later claims of Old Roman simplicity in the 3rd century BC are a literary and ideological construct. I've already forgotten the details again tbh, but seemed like an interesting thesis, and at least to me quite convincing.
  479. @Yevardian
    @songbird


    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.
     
    Adding the disclaimer that my own area of interest Antiquity is on the Near-East and Greece, I could add a few things I've heard or read on the topic of Roman religion.

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The Hellenisation of the Romans of course began with the most educated people, but unfortunately that class is naturally the one which we have nigh-all the surviving written evidence from, so the nature of 'indigenous' Roman religion/mythology/ritual might be one area were archaeology can tell us more than the works of writers like Livy and Ovid (his one surviving work is both enormous and extremely dense, btw), who are all late anyway.

    Something you might find of interest though, is that Greek mythology is considered almost useless for reconstructing any Proto-IndoEuropean religion, since the pre-IE 'Pelasgian' influence and that of the Near-East are admixed in Greek classical religion to such an overwhelming degree.
    A very large number of Greek deities (and vocabulary more generally, e.g. quite basic words θαλασα -'sea') can't be found to have any cognates from any surviving language group, and thus probably came from 'pelasgian'.

    Conversely Roman mythology (or least, their deities' names and associated ritual practice) is considered much more important for PIE studies in that regard, being less permeated by 'foreign' influences. This seems like quite an unintuitive finding to me, considering the Romans were at the northernmost frontier of the Latin world bordering the Etruscans (who may have subjugated them for a century, I know Gladiator fights at funerals were borrowed from them), but apparenty, the consensus is that this is the case.


    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.
     
    Hittite religion was (unsurprisingly) particularly syncretistic, as it was practiced in a region bordering several advanced non-IE civilisations, whilst also living amongst surviving non-IE Anatolian populations (Hatti, Urartu, Hurrian, pre-Lykian, presumably dozens more unwritten or leaving no surviving records).

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    Then again, if you just like the fables themselves and aren't interested in their deeper anthropological origins, Livy and Ovid are indeed the main surviving sources for them.
    Livy in particular seems to have been feebleminded enough to have sincerely believed in it (reminded me Xenophon's simple piety), whilst Ovid's attitude is heavily ironic.

    I might differ from Bashibuzuk or Sher Singh in that I don't believe there's any special or arcane widsom to be derived from ancient PIE folktales, although admittedly any traditional religion is a valuable prophylactic against the sort of pitiable freakshow that Herr Karlin has chosen to get into.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LondonBob, @German_reader

    I have been to a few museum shows where they displayed Roman household idols. They have tons of these. Some of them are as small as 4″. Like Star Wars action figures.

    Maybe in a few millennia the archaeologists from Aldebaran can dig up our Hermes and whatnot.

  480. @sudden death
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fwp5Vg5WAAMub91.png

    No wonder that after finally finishing Bahmut such type RF mobik-waifu video appeared:


    Russian women appeal to Putin for assistance with their mobilised men - in this new video, women say their men were commanded by a Separate Sabotage Assault Brigade "Veterany" [Veterans], who sent them into meat assaults in Bakhmut, which saw only 130 men survive out of 500. Two platoons have been completely lost
     
    .

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660273337744982023

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1660296610088189954

    Replies: @Mikel

    But has Bakhmut fallen? Zelensky doesn’t think so and the Western media continue referring to the fall of Bakhmut as just a “Russian claim”. Interestingly, the most militant pro-Ukrainian accounts on Twitter, like Roepcke or Theiner, admitted the loss of Bakhmut as soon as Prigozhin announced it. Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.
     
    The media of the free world may not have full access to everything that is going on on the ground.

    However, our democratic ally is reliable. A few days ago the head of Ukraine's security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned that Prigozhin has largely been truthful in his recent rants.

    "The scariest thing* is that what Prigozhin says - it is mostly the truth. There are some things which cannot be described as false - they can be perceived in an ambiguous way, however, 80% of what he is saying, actually, it is pure truth."

    This still means that 20% may not be true.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/16/7402486/

    * It seems that by "scariest thing" he didn't mean scary for him but probably for Russia (or even the world), it looks like what he means is that this kind of a warlord, a former convict, saying the truth is a grotesquely scary reality.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mikel

  481. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Technically, she was a pleb, but there was a patrician branch of the gens, so maybe Livy was retconning it.

    400+ years is a long time, anyway. I know some local traditions have been garbled in less time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Thanks that was interesting about patrician vs. plebian religion and ancestor worship.

    It's a bit hard for me to understand how the Romans could have given up their old gods, when they had ancestral hearths, and it seems like the city was seldom sacked in deep history. Though, in such a scenario, it is interesting to note how the ceremonial gates of Janus being open in war (and seldom shut), may have lead to his special preservation.


    looks like it degenerated into a socialist demon worshiping matriarchy reliant on long-distance trade networks. Wrong place to go into details.
     
    This is what I call 'engaging revisionism', but I wonder if anyone here can substantiate it.

    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline? Did he also mention something about it degenerating into a 'demon-worshipping matriarchy?' (I may have to read him, if he did.)

    Replies: @German_reader

  482. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @sudden death

    But has Bakhmut fallen? Zelensky doesn't think so and the Western media continue referring to the fall of Bakhmut as just a "Russian claim". Interestingly, the most militant pro-Ukrainian accounts on Twitter, like Roepcke or Theiner, admitted the loss of Bakhmut as soon as Prigozhin announced it. Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the "free world".

    Replies: @LatW

    Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.

    The media of the free world may not have full access to everything that is going on on the ground.

    However, our democratic ally is reliable. A few days ago the head of Ukraine’s security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned that Prigozhin has largely been truthful in his recent rants.

    “The scariest thing* is that what Prigozhin says – it is mostly the truth. There are some things which cannot be described as false – they can be perceived in an ambiguous way, however, 80% of what he is saying, actually, it is pure truth.”

    This still means that 20% may not be true.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/16/7402486/

    * It seems that by “scariest thing” he didn’t mean scary for him but probably for Russia (or even the world), it looks like what he means is that this kind of a warlord, a former convict, saying the truth is a grotesquely scary reality.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    P.S. Note that this is also a rather extraordinary situation when someone such as Prigozhin comes out with so many public statements. It's hard to find a similar war party that has done that. Technically, he is not even legal by Russian law. This was pointed out by a Russian MP recently, but Wagner soldiers threatened him for doubting the legitimacy of Wagner, because they are somewhat popular. It is a crazy situation when a head of a "private military company" can threatened high level heads of state. So it's a new situation for the traditional media as well (and it's probably not all that easy for the media to find good sources besides government officials and that isn't sufficient). Whereas Kirilo Budanov is comparing what Prigozhin says with his own info.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    A few days ago the head of Ukraine’s security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned
     
    Budanov also recently admitted (or maybe one should say "boasted") that Ukraine has been carrying out assassinations within Russia (iirc he called it "punishing scum" or something of the sort). Which raises the question what other surprises the "democratic ally" might come up with.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Mikel
    @LatW

    Roepcke and Theiner don't have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists. In fact, Roepcke is a Western journalist. He just has a reputation to maintain in order to keep Twitter readers following him and he knows (consciously or not) that when it comes to providing factual information, he's better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.

    The bankruptcy of the Western media is not exactly new. Iraq and Libya didn't happen for nothing. But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately. Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point and the anti-Trump, Russiagate insanity was the nail in the coffin. Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

  483. LatW says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.
     
    The media of the free world may not have full access to everything that is going on on the ground.

    However, our democratic ally is reliable. A few days ago the head of Ukraine's security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned that Prigozhin has largely been truthful in his recent rants.

    "The scariest thing* is that what Prigozhin says - it is mostly the truth. There are some things which cannot be described as false - they can be perceived in an ambiguous way, however, 80% of what he is saying, actually, it is pure truth."

    This still means that 20% may not be true.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/16/7402486/

    * It seems that by "scariest thing" he didn't mean scary for him but probably for Russia (or even the world), it looks like what he means is that this kind of a warlord, a former convict, saying the truth is a grotesquely scary reality.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mikel

    P.S. Note that this is also a rather extraordinary situation when someone such as Prigozhin comes out with so many public statements. It’s hard to find a similar war party that has done that. Technically, he is not even legal by Russian law. This was pointed out by a Russian MP recently, but Wagner soldiers threatened him for doubting the legitimacy of Wagner, because they are somewhat popular. It is a crazy situation when a head of a “private military company” can threatened high level heads of state. So it’s a new situation for the traditional media as well (and it’s probably not all that easy for the media to find good sources besides government officials and that isn’t sufficient). Whereas Kirilo Budanov is comparing what Prigozhin says with his own info.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    If the Ukrainians and the West get to make everything up, why can't the Russians have some fun too?

    [Appropriate Sun Tzu quote goes here]

    Modern translation: Round eye bee-reev ((( prigogine :) ))), not so smart.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    Wackenhut (renamed G4S) and Blackwater (renamed Xe renamed Academi) and other mercenary companies that are held by common stock do public presentations all the time. The Wagner CEO gets his dribble on the front page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_military_contractors

  484. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1660361152445157376

    Replies: @QCIC

    LOL !
    LOL 🙂
    LOL ?
    LOL 🙁

  485. @LatW
    @LatW

    P.S. Note that this is also a rather extraordinary situation when someone such as Prigozhin comes out with so many public statements. It's hard to find a similar war party that has done that. Technically, he is not even legal by Russian law. This was pointed out by a Russian MP recently, but Wagner soldiers threatened him for doubting the legitimacy of Wagner, because they are somewhat popular. It is a crazy situation when a head of a "private military company" can threatened high level heads of state. So it's a new situation for the traditional media as well (and it's probably not all that easy for the media to find good sources besides government officials and that isn't sufficient). Whereas Kirilo Budanov is comparing what Prigozhin says with his own info.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    If the Ukrainians and the West get to make everything up, why can’t the Russians have some fun too?

    [Appropriate Sun Tzu quote goes here]

    Modern translation: Round eye bee-reev ((( prigogine 🙂 ))), not so smart.

  486. QCIC says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Also, off-topic, but Tulsi Gabbard strikes you as a Russian shill, doesn't she? She condemns warmongers without ever actually including Putin, the actual warmonger here:

    https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1660242661767516163?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    As Greg Cochran pointed out, Putin started this war out of nothing (Ukraine was not planning an Operation Storm in the near future and in any case merely occupying and annexing the Donbass would have been enough to reduce the risk of this to virtually zero; there was absolutely no need for Putin and Russia to attack the rest of Ukraine) and he can easily give himself an off-ramp anytime. Just declare victory and get out lol. Though I wonder if the Russian people will overthrow Putin if he does this. Anyway, if Putin wants to keep on bleeding Russia, then it would be quite sad for Russia but also (quite Machiavellian-ly!) great for the West. More delicious humble pie for Russia to eat in the future.

    The more that Russia bleeds from this war, the less likely that Russia will attempt to conquer Ukraine in the future if it will fail to do so this time around. So, there actually *is* a non-sadistic reason for Westerners to maximize Russian suffering on the battlefield right now. Though obviously this should only be done if it has a chance of securing better peace terms for Ukraine, since otherwise Ukraine is going to be bleeding a lot as well for no purpose.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The text in this post is incorrect. The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine. I don’t know why Tulsi actually cares, but she is not wrong. Do you people really want to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe?

    To all the Ukies: Yes, minor disagreements. Very minor. Wake up! Snap out of your trance, we are in the 21st century now.

    Tulsi G (Top G???) = Globalist limited hangout

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine...to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe...
     
    The question is: why are the Western elites willing to risk it? (The hoi polloi commoners don't matter, they have no say.)

    Few possibilities:
    - they are savvy calculating risk takers who have it under control...:)
    - the West has a wonder weapon ready to smash Russia, or Putin is their agent
    - the minor loss can lead to the unravelling - not an inch back!!! (now self-fulfilling)
    - they have over-reached and don't know how to back down (oops!)
    - everybody is in a trance.

    I tend to go with the second half of that list, but who knows?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    I don’t know why Tulsi actually cares,
     
    She left the Democrat Party, but did not join the GOP.

    It is not obvious what her next step is. While she would be good for MAGA anti-war, I am not sure she would ever be sufficiently trusted to re enter the competition for elected office.

    Perhaps she is angling to work for high dollar consultant think tank operation.


    The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine…to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe…
     
    Generalizing on an ambiguous cloud like "The West" does not provide adequate focus. Who is actually making the decisions? It is not Veggie-in-Chief Biden. The decision makers are much more coherent European Elites.... People like Scholz, Macron, and von der Leyen.

    Are things not what they seem?

    All of the risk is based on the assumption that there is a desire to see Ukie Maximalist victory. Take a step back and look at the objectives of European Elites. Scholz wants open borders. Macron wants mass migration. Von der Leyen (of Germany), head of the EU, wants the Visegrád 4 to stay weak.

    All of these European Elite goals are helped by breaking Ukraine. Migrants cannot return. Controversy over the outcome will led to hostility toward Hungary. And, so on. Letting the Western portion of Ukraine become a failed state avoids WW III. Suddenly cutting Zelensky off after he is over extended cleverly achieves this goal.

    As Beckow puts it, the hoi polloi don't matter. Opinion surveys of European proles might seem to oppose this end state, but the European Elites are not listening to them.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    She was on PBD but like any politician if you could listen to more than 3 minutes of that you must be pretty bored. It was interesting that it was the first time I had seen her on camera without her standard hour of hair and makeup prep. She must have really wanted to do that guy's show.

    His Whitney Webb interview was great. I wonder if Whitney has had a one hour hair and makeup prep since she went to her senior prom.

  487. @German_reader
    @Beckow

    Vision of hell: Being forced to listen to you and AP having the same argument with the exact same talking points over and over, in an endless Sisyphean cycle.
    What a relief one can just scroll over it here, and mostly ignore it. Still, I wonder how you two do it, one would assume it gets boring at some point.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @songbird, @Beckow

    Point taken. But I think hell is a bit more unpleasant…

    I will let AP enjoy his what-if history from now on…:)

  488. @Yevardian
    @songbird


    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.
     
    Adding the disclaimer that my own area of interest Antiquity is on the Near-East and Greece, I could add a few things I've heard or read on the topic of Roman religion.

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The Hellenisation of the Romans of course began with the most educated people, but unfortunately that class is naturally the one which we have nigh-all the surviving written evidence from, so the nature of 'indigenous' Roman religion/mythology/ritual might be one area were archaeology can tell us more than the works of writers like Livy and Ovid (his one surviving work is both enormous and extremely dense, btw), who are all late anyway.

    Something you might find of interest though, is that Greek mythology is considered almost useless for reconstructing any Proto-IndoEuropean religion, since the pre-IE 'Pelasgian' influence and that of the Near-East are admixed in Greek classical religion to such an overwhelming degree.
    A very large number of Greek deities (and vocabulary more generally, e.g. quite basic words θαλασα -'sea') can't be found to have any cognates from any surviving language group, and thus probably came from 'pelasgian'.

    Conversely Roman mythology (or least, their deities' names and associated ritual practice) is considered much more important for PIE studies in that regard, being less permeated by 'foreign' influences. This seems like quite an unintuitive finding to me, considering the Romans were at the northernmost frontier of the Latin world bordering the Etruscans (who may have subjugated them for a century, I know Gladiator fights at funerals were borrowed from them), but apparenty, the consensus is that this is the case.


    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.
     
    Hittite religion was (unsurprisingly) particularly syncretistic, as it was practiced in a region bordering several advanced non-IE civilisations, whilst also living amongst surviving non-IE Anatolian populations (Hatti, Urartu, Hurrian, pre-Lykian, presumably dozens more unwritten or leaving no surviving records).

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    Then again, if you just like the fables themselves and aren't interested in their deeper anthropological origins, Livy and Ovid are indeed the main surviving sources for them.
    Livy in particular seems to have been feebleminded enough to have sincerely believed in it (reminded me Xenophon's simple piety), whilst Ovid's attitude is heavily ironic.

    I might differ from Bashibuzuk or Sher Singh in that I don't believe there's any special or arcane widsom to be derived from ancient PIE folktales, although admittedly any traditional religion is a valuable prophylactic against the sort of pitiable freakshow that Herr Karlin has chosen to get into.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LondonBob, @German_reader

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob


    Then out spake brave Horatius,
    The Captain of the gate:
    To every man upon this earth
    Death cometh soon or late.
    And how can man die better
    Than facing fearful odds,
    For the ashes of his fathers,
    And the temples of his Gods
    "
     
    https://poemanalysis.com/thomas-babington-macaulay/horatius/

    Back on topic, can we assume that the commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Zaluzhny, is either deceased or not at all well?

    https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/05/20/commander-in-chief-of-ukrainian-armed-forces-said-to-be-in-critical-condition-after-being-wounded/

  489. @sudden death
    Retroactively viewing strictly isolated natgas pricing timeline, NS blowup looks more like desperate attempt to stop inevitable price slide?

    https://i.postimg.cc/RVLyQNrF/TTF-gas.jpg

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Futures price isn’t the physical price, my heating bill is higher than ever. You should have realised this by now.

    I don’t think you will ever convince anyone that anyone but the Biden regime blew up Nordstream, no matter how many times you post different theories.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LondonBob

    The future prices are bets (speculations). Two factors:

    - Many dealers are staying out with expectation that industrial activity will drop. Not good, but it would reduce energy consumption as it did last winter. Pick your poison :)...

    - Futures lock up resources for long term - today people in the know think short term, future be damned. It is like putting down money on a house delivery in 2025-27. Why not just have fun?

  490. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The text in this post is incorrect. The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine. I don't know why Tulsi actually cares, but she is not wrong. Do you people really want to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe?

    To all the Ukies: Yes, minor disagreements. Very minor. Wake up! Snap out of your trance, we are in the 21st century now.

    Tulsi G (Top G???) = Globalist limited hangout

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine…to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe…

    The question is: why are the Western elites willing to risk it? (The hoi polloi commoners don’t matter, they have no say.)

    Few possibilities:
    – they are savvy calculating risk takers who have it under control…:)
    – the West has a wonder weapon ready to smash Russia, or Putin is their agent
    – the minor loss can lead to the unravelling – not an inch back!!! (now self-fulfilling)
    – they have over-reached and don’t know how to back down (oops!)
    – everybody is in a trance.

    I tend to go with the second half of that list, but who knows?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    The decisions are made by modern corporate committees. The committee members' universal motivation is how this might affect their next annual performance review.

    You are a lucky man if you don't see how this works on a routine basis.

    With the committees that have Biden in the chair this is the end member on that phenomenon as he is the emptiest possible suit.

  491. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Futures price isn't the physical price, my heating bill is higher than ever. You should have realised this by now.

    I don't think you will ever convince anyone that anyone but the Biden regime blew up Nordstream, no matter how many times you post different theories.

    Replies: @Beckow

    The future prices are bets (speculations). Two factors:

    – Many dealers are staying out with expectation that industrial activity will drop. Not good, but it would reduce energy consumption as it did last winter. Pick your poison :)…

    – Futures lock up resources for long term – today people in the know think short term, future be damned. It is like putting down money on a house delivery in 2025-27. Why not just have fun?

  492. @Matra
    Diversity is our strength! - Putin

    Russia is a discount version of the West


    https://twitter.com/worldnews24u/status/1659854551426400257

    Replies: @QCIC, @German_reader, @Dmitry, @LondonBob

    Thing is Russia does contain different peoples who very much have a right to their own territories within the Russian Federation, it really isn’t comparable to what we in the West are experiencing due to mass immigration, multiculturalism and the culture of critique. Regardless of this fact it is by large clear that the Russian ethnicity and culture is protected as the core of the Russian nation whilst allowing for regional identities.

    Very obvious that the globohomo strategy is play up regional differences and grievances in China and Russia, imagine if Breton separatism was promoted in France, Cornish in England, or the many different regional identities in Spain.

  493. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The rightist intellectual class can be impressive at times, but Yeah, a lot of the rightist proles aren't exactly super-inspiring. Such as when they bought into Trump's 2020 election lies, COVID vaccine denial, deep state conspiracies, et cetera.

    Worth noting, of course, that it's possible that some of the rightist intellectual class has migrated to the Democrats or at least become neutral over the last couple of decades due to them being purged by the right. "Respectable Right" figures like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinziger, for instance.

    Russian nationalists should embrace Israeli-style pro-natalism along with a post-WWII German-style aversion to militarism and guilt culture, with Ukrainians becoming Russia's holy cow just like Jews became Germany's holy cow post-WWII. Imagine Russia being led by a highly technocratic Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) in the late 21st century while having a TFR of 2.5. Now that would be epic and would likely result in a Renaissance for Russia were this to ever occur.

    BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and Middle suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine's suffering, including Ukraine's involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence).

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Anatoly Karlin

    Natalism, like nationalism, is idiotic now. Relative population size is only important if:

    * As a country, you are invested into Great Power politics.
    * AI timelines are long.
    * You expect the system to remain centered around nation-states.

    In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them). As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.

    AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d’être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What does this mean: "H+/rat-adjacent" ?

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d’être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.
     
    Are you saying wars are vanishing? This seems unlikely.

    Technology is driven by war. The weapons potential of AI and modified humans will propel combatant nation states to invest in them.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    First of all, my previous post had a typo; I will now correct it:

    "BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and *Middle Eastern* suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine's suffering, including Ukraine's involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence)."

    Anyway, back to your post here:

    "In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them)."

    What about the EU? It will have 500 million people long-term (600 million if Turkey will join; 650 million if a reformed Russia will join; 750 million if both Turkey and Russia will join) of high human capital. The EU still produces a lot of elite science and spends a lot on R & D even right now, even if the US is the world's cognitive hub.

    You argued that Russia can become a superpower with just 200 million people, but the EU can't with 500+ million people? And if the EU can't, then Russia certainly can't with a much smaller population either, in which case the current war with Ukraine was completely for nothing. Just killed a lot of people and made Ukrainians hate Russia much, much more than they did already.

    "AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade."

    I believe that Garett Jones argued that greater human intelligence will still be an advantage in an AI-dominated world since smarter humans could insert better/more creative prompts into AI than duller humans could.

    "As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction."

    So, what exactly was the point of the goddamn stupid war that Russia launched against Ukraine? A whole bunch of people were killed *for nothing*!

    At least Iraqis got democracy in exchange for their own struggles. Very flawed democracy, but still better than what they had under Saddam. But Ukrainians didn't actually get anything out of Russia's invasion, unless you're going to argue that this was all a Machiavellian ploy to secure EU membership for Ukraine lol.

    "Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d’être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now."

    Europe was largely at peace between 1871 and 1914 and yet nation-states did not become weaker during this time. Over the last several decades, there has been a push for more inclusive nation-states in the West, but even that has its limits given cultural compatibility problems. You don't want people getting murdered for Islamophobic speech, after all.

    Good luck having network states create their own governments, national banks, police forces, military forces, et cetera. And having network states be accessible for everyone, not just the rich.

  494. Taking down a bimbo:

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail

    The title graphic was pretty good, but they lied about Trump in the first 15 seconds so I immediately turned it off.

    Who is the intended audience for the video?

    I would be interested to know if any commenters here viewed it at all.
    And, how long it took them to abandon it.

    PEACE 😇

  495. So Zaluzhny has been incapacitated in some form, can see why Zelensky has been elsewhere, presumably revenge for the drone attack on the Kremlin?

  496. Lee Stranahan 🇷🇺
    @stranahan
    Do you agree the following statement?

    Anthony Blinken falsely accused Russia, of being behind the true story of Hunter Biden‘s laptop. For that reason, he cannot possibly negotiate with Russia and should recuse himself, i.e. resign as Secretary of State.

    Totally agree
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  497. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    R*ghtoids are permanent losers.
     
    "Rightoids" (why the *? And where did that irritating habit of affixing -oids, like in hemorrhoids, originate? ) is an idiotic term, any category that includes Western secular nationalists (let alone an unprincipled con man like Trump) and the Taliban under the same heading (as you apparently do) is meaningless. The term says more about its users (presumably militant Westerners who regard any opposition to their own teleological view of human development as illegitimate) than those it describes.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated
     
    The only thing that has been invalidated is the "Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated" nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
    The issue really is that you yourself are a deracinated individual, apparently quite traumatized by your childhood experiences just after the fall of the Soviet Union and without organic connection to the real Russia. Ok, sucks for you, I guess, but don't be such a total narcissist. Try to have some empathy for the concerns of normal people for once.

    I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).
     
    Ok. In other words, you've decided to devote your life to science-fiction.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Barbarossa, @Anatoly Karlin

    You’re certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I’m signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ...Open Borders are inevitable.
     
    Actually not, open borders are a political choice. Most of the world today still has relatively closed borders. It is the US-Canada-EU that are an exception.

    There is also nothing 'rightoid' about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    Something is 'inevitable' right before it becomes impossible. Fatalism is a disease of end-of-liners, maybe you should have some kids...:)...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    , @helloid
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your own racist followers don't even believe your sudden 'open borders' Antifa persona.


    Some of Karlin's own followers have questioned whether he has genuinely repudiated the alt-right:

    “”Karlin is just playing along with the rhetoric sadly some of his fellow compatriots have, the man lived in the US for years, got in trouble for certain statements he made in Russian newspapers, and I have it on good authority he's a based racist. We shall see.
     
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    So, you would support having hundreds of millions of Sub-Saharan Africans (and not just their cognitive elites, who would prefer to move to the West anyway) move to Russia? Just how exactly do you plan on convincing a majority of the Russian population to go along with this plan of yours? A majority of the Russian population still supports Russia for Russians, after all. Is the definition of Russians going to become massively expanded to the point that it would include anyone, of any race, ethnicity, religion, and national origin, who wants to move to Russia?

    Replies: @Pocket1

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    By the way, if it's allegedly inevitable that nation-states are going to be replaced by network-states, then why bother launching the 2022 Ukraine invasion to begin with? Hell, why even bother getting involved in Ukraine starting from 2014 to begin with? The people of Crimea and the Donbass could have created their own Russian network-state within Ukraine in an exclusive skyscraper of theirs or something, no? And a lot of lives would have been saved if Russia would have refrained from getting involved in Ukraine.

  498. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    R*ghtoids are permanent losers. I thought Putin's RF was an exception (as described in Russia's Nationalist Turn). Evidently, it wasn't. The only r*ghtoids who won in the past decade was the Taliban, and it's ironically quite telling that it happened in one of the world's most backward and r*ghtoid polies, and by outwitting another r*ghtoid (Trump) at that.

    Since Russian nationalism, now invalidated, was the only thing keeping me somewhat r*ghtoid adjacent in the face of all their dementia (reaching a peak in COVID), I have no incentives to continue aligning with that camp on any of their parochial obsessions. I am now only interested in technological accelerationism and the destruction of all centralized and traditional institutions and their replacement with decentralized, borderless alternatives (DeFi, DeSci, Web3, network states).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Coconuts, @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Last message, throttled and banned

    You’re going too far Anatoly. Wokism is also a loser ideology. Conservatives win on the vast majority of issues. They just hate recognising that fact. The function of the modern political system is a process of trial and error where the two sides, conservatives and progressives represent one of each of the two tendencies.

    For example, progressives trial gay marriage and, let’s all be honest, the conservative arguments against it have been proven ridiculous. It was a good thing and everybody thinks it is fine now. This is not a conspiracy but blatantly true. The reaction against it is a mere psychological tendency and those who are victims of their own psychological tendencies are inferior. Lower forms of consciousness that make themselves feel good by dunking on the people who can’t even do basic logic. Well, they can’t even do basic self-reflection. They’ve lost their sunglasses on their head and over their eyes!

    But, while inferior, importantly, they are part of the overall market and therefore paradoxically their opinion counts. They are valued, loved and necessary. Just like the people lacking even the spiritual uplift, abstract thinking, to do basic logic.

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair, and progressives see it and it gives them the confidence to keep risking. Again, these are co-dependent psychological or spiritual tendendicss, enacted on the political stage. Indeed, this tendency to react this way is what creates those movements, out if the conglomeration of millions or billions of differently split-minded neurotics, psychotics and perverts.

    All made from mud and, not fallen, but just working their way into something less earth bound.

    And so and but conservatives are blind to winning on crime (repeatedly), capitalism (constantly), the government supporting families etc etc etc. Basically, everything is a conservative victory. Until it very occasionally isn’t, and then conservatives doom and act like they never won. Again, a psychological tendency.

    Conservatives: “Oh my god, the prevalence of a strict and male-jeaded nuclear family does not fit with my mostly false image of the past and even in an age when contraception and unimaginable material security has changed the conditions of life. Maybe I’ll have to adjust my neurotic expectations accordingly!!!”

    Progressives: “this technological change means that everyone will live in communal families and experiment constantly because…oh they won’t…well then it’ll make this change…oh that doesn’t work..then this one…now this one…finally, success, see I’m on the right side of history.”

    But perhaps I misunderstand you and by “rightoids” you mean dissidents of all stripes. Dissidents are generally losers. From Jew obsessives who are akin to individual middle class investors who think they’ve devised a simple formulae to predict the stock market, thereby advertising their intense psychosis, to all of the esoteric stuff. Against this, political market trackers win and strick market trackers win. Hayek was right but he didn’t understand that modern politics is also an information processing machine and that it would defeat those arguing for just one of its components, the free market in terms of efficacy. I.e the free market is one function of the bigger info processing machine .

    Anyway, basically your progressive turn, a reaction to your temporary derangement on the war, as caused by many factors, is an equal and opposite derangement, but as a psychological balancing mechanism, probably not unhealthy for you. Nonetheless, the political market tracker tends conservative and is open to progressives. That’s what will happen. The result of that process. The best thing to do is to accept your own mental insignificance in the face of the world, and the universe, and gravitate your opinion to where the smart and successfull people are. This will be conservative neoliberalism with some woke rhetoric until it isn’t. Chasing alpha in this field is pointless unless you speak to God directly.

    And again, maybe this is what you’re actually doing. Otherwise, just support policies that will, in the short-run benefit people’s lives in boring practical ways. That’s all you can know and predict. There isn’t alpha there, but it works, and, if you’re intensely against something that others see as boringly helpful to their lives and keep allowing, please understand that you’re likely to be wrong, not the information processing machine that is everything that you can’t possibly conceptualise.

    As for AI, don’t worry. It’ll be fine. Maybe invest in somewhere that would be great for extremely long holidays. Spring cities are cool. Spring cities with beaches and politically passive populations are better. Black people do commit too much crime, almost everywhere, so avoid areas dominated by them. I should probably follow my own advice but I have my conceptualisation of my own duties and enjoy them.

    Finally, if you’re looking for a point, first resolve your contradictions into the paradoxes you can understand, then you’ll see.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Last message, throttled and banned

    I think the two main arguments against giving comparable legal sanction to 'gay marriage' and marriage are easy.

    The first one is widely held but not widely discussed from what little I've seen.

    1) Gay men often have very loose sexual boundaries and their "children" are much more likely to be sexually abused than kids in a real marriage.

    Discussion of this crucial topic is suppressed which leaves the weaker #2.

    2) Marriage is a unique and important institution in the West and should be protected. A same sex couple raising children can be fine, but politically and legally conflating this with marriage is specifically intended to break down the family structure.

    Lesbianism has little in common with male homosexuality except that they share ridiculous slogans and radical politics.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Last message, throttled and banned

    What has done most of the actual winning on long-term policy implementation in the US and will continue to do most of the winning.



    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1660445925180063745?t=C16rgRK1vqnVQ9_lJ3NOKA&s=19

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Coconuts
    @Last message, throttled and banned


    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair...
     
    I was visiting Berlin recently for the first time in about 25 years, now for one reason or another it looks to be around 40% non-white, and a certain number of the white people were Slavs from hearing them speak.

    On Museum Island in what I imagine are some of the premier German museums, about 80% of the visible staff seemed to be non-white.

    I don't remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    Replies: @LatW, @Matra, @Yahya

  499. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    You're certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I'm signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    Replies: @Beckow, @helloid, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    …Open Borders are inevitable.

    Actually not, open borders are a political choice. Most of the world today still has relatively closed borders. It is the US-Canada-EU that are an exception.

    There is also nothing ‘rightoid’ about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    Something is ‘inevitable’ right before it becomes impossible. Fatalism is a disease of end-of-liners, maybe you should have some kids…:)…

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    There is also nothing ‘rightoid’ about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    There was a time when both right and left supported strict borders.

    In fact it was traditionally a left issue in the US because companies in border states would use cheap illegal labor instead of hiring union members. The Chavez labor movement in fact opposed illegal labor.

    What happened is that the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s. White men became convinced that it is "Freedom" to open the border and flood the country with illegals. Amusingly Ayn Rand supported borders for Israel but not the US or Europe. She is on video ranting about Palestinians as savages while her duped supporters still tell us that we need to keep the borders open for individualists.

    Open borders are not inevitable. We are already seeing pushback in NYC which has a Democrat majority. Sending illegals into Democrat cities was the right move. When Democrats see their already fragile social systems overwhelmed they lose faith in the liberal belief that immigration is always beneficial.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    maybe you should have some kids…:)
     
    Apparently he can't. Putin made him become a thing and he's no longer a man.

    There must be an element of trolling in all of this but, otoh, he does seem to believe in an impending singularity, which was always one of his favorite subjects of interest, so he may believe in it to some extent. Sad in any case. His big intellect made him predict the invasion when most of us couldn't believe Putin was so insane but he missed an excellent chance to distance himself from what was clear to become, competence or incompetence aside, an ugly carnage. The SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it's just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not. There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Gerard1234

  500. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    The only thing that has been invalidated is the “Ukrainians are Russians, they just are in denial about it and need to be re-educated” nonsense. Russians still exist, more than a 100 million of them in fact, and presumably many of them still have an interest in ensuring their collective interests as Russians.
     
    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia's sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany's sacred cows. If Russia can also experience a baby boom like post-WWII Germany did, then that would be even better.

    Russian nationalists want Russians to act like Israeli Jews but couldn't get Russians to breed anywhere near as much as Israeli Jews breed. Were Russia to boost its TFR to 2.5 and keep it there for at least 2-3 decades, Russia could experience an unprecedented Renaissance, especially if it is led by a Rishi Sunak-style GAE-Lord (Lord of the Greater American Empire) during this time.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia’s sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany’s sacred cows.

    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all…
    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they’re mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all…
     
    If you guys had rejected the Wokeness and possibly been more selective with which Muslims you'd have been importing, then it would have worked out better for you. Still, Germany remains Europe's premier economic engine even right now.

    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they’re mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.
     
    True, but if Russia will win in Ukraine, it will likely try engaging in cultural genocide there. Not as bad as physical genocide, of course, but still pretty bad.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @songbird

  501. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The text in this post is incorrect. The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine. I don't know why Tulsi actually cares, but she is not wrong. Do you people really want to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe?

    To all the Ukies: Yes, minor disagreements. Very minor. Wake up! Snap out of your trance, we are in the 21st century now.

    Tulsi G (Top G???) = Globalist limited hangout

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t know why Tulsi actually cares,

    She left the Democrat Party, but did not join the GOP.

    It is not obvious what her next step is. While she would be good for MAGA anti-war, I am not sure she would ever be sufficiently trusted to re enter the competition for elected office.

    Perhaps she is angling to work for high dollar consultant think tank operation.

    The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine…to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe…

    Generalizing on an ambiguous cloud like “The West” does not provide adequate focus. Who is actually making the decisions? It is not Veggie-in-Chief Biden. The decision makers are much more coherent European Elites…. People like Scholz, Macron, and von der Leyen.

    Are things not what they seem?

    All of the risk is based on the assumption that there is a desire to see Ukie Maximalist victory. Take a step back and look at the objectives of European Elites. Scholz wants open borders. Macron wants mass migration. Von der Leyen (of Germany), head of the EU, wants the Visegrád 4 to stay weak.

    All of these European Elite goals are helped by breaking Ukraine. Migrants cannot return. Controversy over the outcome will led to hostility toward Hungary. And, so on. Letting the Western portion of Ukraine become a failed state avoids WW III. Suddenly cutting Zelensky off after he is over extended cleverly achieves this goal.

    As Beckow puts it, the hoi polloi don’t matter. Opinion surveys of European proles might seem to oppose this end state, but the European Elites are not listening to them.

    PEACE 😇

  502. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @songbird


    What I recall reading is that many consider Janus (the god of doors) to be the only unique, significant Roman god, and the rest were very similar to or derived from Greek gods.
     
    Adding the disclaimer that my own area of interest Antiquity is on the Near-East and Greece, I could add a few things I've heard or read on the topic of Roman religion.

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The Hellenisation of the Romans of course began with the most educated people, but unfortunately that class is naturally the one which we have nigh-all the surviving written evidence from, so the nature of 'indigenous' Roman religion/mythology/ritual might be one area were archaeology can tell us more than the works of writers like Livy and Ovid (his one surviving work is both enormous and extremely dense, btw), who are all late anyway.

    Something you might find of interest though, is that Greek mythology is considered almost useless for reconstructing any Proto-IndoEuropean religion, since the pre-IE 'Pelasgian' influence and that of the Near-East are admixed in Greek classical religion to such an overwhelming degree.
    A very large number of Greek deities (and vocabulary more generally, e.g. quite basic words θαλασα -'sea') can't be found to have any cognates from any surviving language group, and thus probably came from 'pelasgian'.

    Conversely Roman mythology (or least, their deities' names and associated ritual practice) is considered much more important for PIE studies in that regard, being less permeated by 'foreign' influences. This seems like quite an unintuitive finding to me, considering the Romans were at the northernmost frontier of the Latin world bordering the Etruscans (who may have subjugated them for a century, I know Gladiator fights at funerals were borrowed from them), but apparenty, the consensus is that this is the case.


    It is curious how the Hittites, despite also being PIE seem to have had many more gods.
     
    Hittite religion was (unsurprisingly) particularly syncretistic, as it was practiced in a region bordering several advanced non-IE civilisations, whilst also living amongst surviving non-IE Anatolian populations (Hatti, Urartu, Hurrian, pre-Lykian, presumably dozens more unwritten or leaving no surviving records).

    I guess what I was more interested in was folklore. Other stories like Horatius at the Bridge
     
    Then again, if you just like the fables themselves and aren't interested in their deeper anthropological origins, Livy and Ovid are indeed the main surviving sources for them.
    Livy in particular seems to have been feebleminded enough to have sincerely believed in it (reminded me Xenophon's simple piety), whilst Ovid's attitude is heavily ironic.

    I might differ from Bashibuzuk or Sher Singh in that I don't believe there's any special or arcane widsom to be derived from ancient PIE folktales, although admittedly any traditional religion is a valuable prophylactic against the sort of pitiable freakshow that Herr Karlin has chosen to get into.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LondonBob, @German_reader

    Of course the Romans (and Latin peoples in general) previously had many more major deities with unique attributes and backstories, but were lost over time as Romans overwhelmingly began adopting Greek cultural mores and values from about the beginning of the 3rd Century BC.

    The book by Tim Cornell about early Rome which I mentioned recently argues that Greek cultural influence on Rome was already pervasive in the archaic era (iirc at least as early as the 7th century BC), and that later claims of Old Roman simplicity in the 3rd century BC are a literary and ideological construct. I’ve already forgotten the details again tbh, but seemed like an interesting thesis, and at least to me quite convincing.

  503. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.
     
    The media of the free world may not have full access to everything that is going on on the ground.

    However, our democratic ally is reliable. A few days ago the head of Ukraine's security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned that Prigozhin has largely been truthful in his recent rants.

    "The scariest thing* is that what Prigozhin says - it is mostly the truth. There are some things which cannot be described as false - they can be perceived in an ambiguous way, however, 80% of what he is saying, actually, it is pure truth."

    This still means that 20% may not be true.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/16/7402486/

    * It seems that by "scariest thing" he didn't mean scary for him but probably for Russia (or even the world), it looks like what he means is that this kind of a warlord, a former convict, saying the truth is a grotesquely scary reality.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mikel

    A few days ago the head of Ukraine’s security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned

    Budanov also recently admitted (or maybe one should say “boasted”) that Ukraine has been carrying out assassinations within Russia (iirc he called it “punishing scum” or something of the sort). Which raises the question what other surprises the “democratic ally” might come up with.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @German_reader

    Didn't take long, apparently those weirdo Russian Neo-Nazis (or whatever they are) in Ukraine's service have infiltrated Belgorod region again on a sabotage mission (or for propaganda, who knows).
    Just great.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel, @Matra

  504. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    Taking down a bimbo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaTv69cGLOs

    Replies: @A123

    The title graphic was pretty good, but they lied about Trump in the first 15 seconds so I immediately turned it off.

    Who is the intended audience for the video?

    I would be interested to know if any commenters here viewed it at all.
    And, how long it took them to abandon it.

    PEACE 😇

  505. I’m not about to take out a tape measure nor a magnifying glass and reread all of Karlin’s old messages regarding his political and cultural philosophies, etc. But the Karlin that I remember was at least some kind of a Russian nationalist, parroting the old party line of Triunism. He would often rail against the encroachment on Moscow of Central Asians and Caucasians, that needed to be kept more ethnically homogenous Russian. And let’s face it, his true sexual orientation was alway kind of suspect, and he’s now strangely envious of gay or bi orientations (I suspect that within a year he’ll finally come out of the closet). Well, at least the man is capable of change, and that’s more than most are capable of today.

    “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity” and Open Borders too!

    Amazing stuff going on…

  506. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Natalism, like nationalism, is idiotic now. Relative population size is only important if:

    * As a country, you are invested into Great Power politics.
    * AI timelines are long.
    * You expect the system to remain centered around nation-states.

    In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them). As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.

    AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d'être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1647269401350094848

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    What does this mean: “H+/rat-adjacent” ?

  507. A123 says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Natalism, like nationalism, is idiotic now. Relative population size is only important if:

    * As a country, you are invested into Great Power politics.
    * AI timelines are long.
    * You expect the system to remain centered around nation-states.

    In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them). As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.

    AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d'être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1647269401350094848

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d’être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.

    Are you saying wars are vanishing? This seems unlikely.

    Technology is driven by war. The weapons potential of AI and modified humans will propel combatant nation states to invest in them.

    PEACE 😇

  508. QCIC says:
    @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You're going too far Anatoly. Wokism is also a loser ideology. Conservatives win on the vast majority of issues. They just hate recognising that fact. The function of the modern political system is a process of trial and error where the two sides, conservatives and progressives represent one of each of the two tendencies.

    For example, progressives trial gay marriage and, let's all be honest, the conservative arguments against it have been proven ridiculous. It was a good thing and everybody thinks it is fine now. This is not a conspiracy but blatantly true. The reaction against it is a mere psychological tendency and those who are victims of their own psychological tendencies are inferior. Lower forms of consciousness that make themselves feel good by dunking on the people who can't even do basic logic. Well, they can't even do basic self-reflection. They've lost their sunglasses on their head and over their eyes!

    But, while inferior, importantly, they are part of the overall market and therefore paradoxically their opinion counts. They are valued, loved and necessary. Just like the people lacking even the spiritual uplift, abstract thinking, to do basic logic.

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair, and progressives see it and it gives them the confidence to keep risking. Again, these are co-dependent psychological or spiritual tendendicss, enacted on the political stage. Indeed, this tendency to react this way is what creates those movements, out if the conglomeration of millions or billions of differently split-minded neurotics, psychotics and perverts.

    All made from mud and, not fallen, but just working their way into something less earth bound.

    And so and but conservatives are blind to winning on crime (repeatedly), capitalism (constantly), the government supporting families etc etc etc. Basically, everything is a conservative victory. Until it very occasionally isn't, and then conservatives doom and act like they never won. Again, a psychological tendency.

    Conservatives: "Oh my god, the prevalence of a strict and male-jeaded nuclear family does not fit with my mostly false image of the past and even in an age when contraception and unimaginable material security has changed the conditions of life. Maybe I'll have to adjust my neurotic expectations accordingly!!!"

    Progressives: "this technological change means that everyone will live in communal families and experiment constantly because...oh they won't...well then it'll make this change...oh that doesn't work..then this one...now this one...finally, success, see I'm on the right side of history."

    But perhaps I misunderstand you and by "rightoids" you mean dissidents of all stripes. Dissidents are generally losers. From Jew obsessives who are akin to individual middle class investors who think they've devised a simple formulae to predict the stock market, thereby advertising their intense psychosis, to all of the esoteric stuff. Against this, political market trackers win and strick market trackers win. Hayek was right but he didn't understand that modern politics is also an information processing machine and that it would defeat those arguing for just one of its components, the free market in terms of efficacy. I.e the free market is one function of the bigger info processing machine .

    Anyway, basically your progressive turn, a reaction to your temporary derangement on the war, as caused by many factors, is an equal and opposite derangement, but as a psychological balancing mechanism, probably not unhealthy for you. Nonetheless, the political market tracker tends conservative and is open to progressives. That's what will happen. The result of that process. The best thing to do is to accept your own mental insignificance in the face of the world, and the universe, and gravitate your opinion to where the smart and successfull people are. This will be conservative neoliberalism with some woke rhetoric until it isn't. Chasing alpha in this field is pointless unless you speak to God directly.

    And again, maybe this is what you're actually doing. Otherwise, just support policies that will, in the short-run benefit people's lives in boring practical ways. That's all you can know and predict. There isn't alpha there, but it works, and, if you're intensely against something that others see as boringly helpful to their lives and keep allowing, please understand that you're likely to be wrong, not the information processing machine that is everything that you can't possibly conceptualise.

    As for AI, don't worry. It'll be fine. Maybe invest in somewhere that would be great for extremely long holidays. Spring cities are cool. Spring cities with beaches and politically passive populations are better. Black people do commit too much crime, almost everywhere, so avoid areas dominated by them. I should probably follow my own advice but I have my conceptualisation of my own duties and enjoy them.

    Finally, if you're looking for a point, first resolve your contradictions into the paradoxes you can understand, then you'll see.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Last message, throttled and banned, @Coconuts

    I think the two main arguments against giving comparable legal sanction to ‘gay marriage’ and marriage are easy.

    The first one is widely held but not widely discussed from what little I’ve seen.

    1) Gay men often have very loose sexual boundaries and their “children” are much more likely to be sexually abused than kids in a real marriage.

    Discussion of this crucial topic is suppressed which leaves the weaker #2.

    2) Marriage is a unique and important institution in the West and should be protected. A same sex couple raising children can be fine, but politically and legally conflating this with marriage is specifically intended to break down the family structure.

    Lesbianism has little in common with male homosexuality except that they share ridiculous slogans and radical politics.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    It's Laxa again.

    🙂

  509. @LatW
    @LatW

    P.S. Note that this is also a rather extraordinary situation when someone such as Prigozhin comes out with so many public statements. It's hard to find a similar war party that has done that. Technically, he is not even legal by Russian law. This was pointed out by a Russian MP recently, but Wagner soldiers threatened him for doubting the legitimacy of Wagner, because they are somewhat popular. It is a crazy situation when a head of a "private military company" can threatened high level heads of state. So it's a new situation for the traditional media as well (and it's probably not all that easy for the media to find good sources besides government officials and that isn't sufficient). Whereas Kirilo Budanov is comparing what Prigozhin says with his own info.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Wackenhut (renamed G4S) and Blackwater (renamed Xe renamed Academi) and other mercenary companies that are held by common stock do public presentations all the time. The Wagner CEO gets his dribble on the front page.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_military_contractors

  510. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    The text in this post is incorrect. The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine. I don't know why Tulsi actually cares, but she is not wrong. Do you people really want to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe?

    To all the Ukies: Yes, minor disagreements. Very minor. Wake up! Snap out of your trance, we are in the 21st century now.

    Tulsi G (Top G???) = Globalist limited hangout

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    She was on PBD but like any politician if you could listen to more than 3 minutes of that you must be pretty bored. It was interesting that it was the first time I had seen her on camera without her standard hour of hair and makeup prep. She must have really wanted to do that guy’s show.

    His Whitney Webb interview was great. I wonder if Whitney has had a one hour hair and makeup prep since she went to her senior prom.

  511. @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You're going too far Anatoly. Wokism is also a loser ideology. Conservatives win on the vast majority of issues. They just hate recognising that fact. The function of the modern political system is a process of trial and error where the two sides, conservatives and progressives represent one of each of the two tendencies.

    For example, progressives trial gay marriage and, let's all be honest, the conservative arguments against it have been proven ridiculous. It was a good thing and everybody thinks it is fine now. This is not a conspiracy but blatantly true. The reaction against it is a mere psychological tendency and those who are victims of their own psychological tendencies are inferior. Lower forms of consciousness that make themselves feel good by dunking on the people who can't even do basic logic. Well, they can't even do basic self-reflection. They've lost their sunglasses on their head and over their eyes!

    But, while inferior, importantly, they are part of the overall market and therefore paradoxically their opinion counts. They are valued, loved and necessary. Just like the people lacking even the spiritual uplift, abstract thinking, to do basic logic.

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair, and progressives see it and it gives them the confidence to keep risking. Again, these are co-dependent psychological or spiritual tendendicss, enacted on the political stage. Indeed, this tendency to react this way is what creates those movements, out if the conglomeration of millions or billions of differently split-minded neurotics, psychotics and perverts.

    All made from mud and, not fallen, but just working their way into something less earth bound.

    And so and but conservatives are blind to winning on crime (repeatedly), capitalism (constantly), the government supporting families etc etc etc. Basically, everything is a conservative victory. Until it very occasionally isn't, and then conservatives doom and act like they never won. Again, a psychological tendency.

    Conservatives: "Oh my god, the prevalence of a strict and male-jeaded nuclear family does not fit with my mostly false image of the past and even in an age when contraception and unimaginable material security has changed the conditions of life. Maybe I'll have to adjust my neurotic expectations accordingly!!!"

    Progressives: "this technological change means that everyone will live in communal families and experiment constantly because...oh they won't...well then it'll make this change...oh that doesn't work..then this one...now this one...finally, success, see I'm on the right side of history."

    But perhaps I misunderstand you and by "rightoids" you mean dissidents of all stripes. Dissidents are generally losers. From Jew obsessives who are akin to individual middle class investors who think they've devised a simple formulae to predict the stock market, thereby advertising their intense psychosis, to all of the esoteric stuff. Against this, political market trackers win and strick market trackers win. Hayek was right but he didn't understand that modern politics is also an information processing machine and that it would defeat those arguing for just one of its components, the free market in terms of efficacy. I.e the free market is one function of the bigger info processing machine .

    Anyway, basically your progressive turn, a reaction to your temporary derangement on the war, as caused by many factors, is an equal and opposite derangement, but as a psychological balancing mechanism, probably not unhealthy for you. Nonetheless, the political market tracker tends conservative and is open to progressives. That's what will happen. The result of that process. The best thing to do is to accept your own mental insignificance in the face of the world, and the universe, and gravitate your opinion to where the smart and successfull people are. This will be conservative neoliberalism with some woke rhetoric until it isn't. Chasing alpha in this field is pointless unless you speak to God directly.

    And again, maybe this is what you're actually doing. Otherwise, just support policies that will, in the short-run benefit people's lives in boring practical ways. That's all you can know and predict. There isn't alpha there, but it works, and, if you're intensely against something that others see as boringly helpful to their lives and keep allowing, please understand that you're likely to be wrong, not the information processing machine that is everything that you can't possibly conceptualise.

    As for AI, don't worry. It'll be fine. Maybe invest in somewhere that would be great for extremely long holidays. Spring cities are cool. Spring cities with beaches and politically passive populations are better. Black people do commit too much crime, almost everywhere, so avoid areas dominated by them. I should probably follow my own advice but I have my conceptualisation of my own duties and enjoy them.

    Finally, if you're looking for a point, first resolve your contradictions into the paradoxes you can understand, then you'll see.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Last message, throttled and banned, @Coconuts

    What has done most of the actual winning on long-term policy implementation in the US and will continue to do most of the winning.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Last message, throttled and banned

    Laxa honey, here you are again!

    https://images.prom.ua/1334885238_w200_h200_vafelnaya-kartinka-cheburashka.jpg

    Welcome back.

    🙂

  512. German_reader says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    A few days ago the head of Ukraine’s security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned
     
    Budanov also recently admitted (or maybe one should say "boasted") that Ukraine has been carrying out assassinations within Russia (iirc he called it "punishing scum" or something of the sort). Which raises the question what other surprises the "democratic ally" might come up with.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Didn’t take long, apparently those weirdo Russian Neo-Nazis (or whatever they are) in Ukraine’s service have infiltrated Belgorod region again on a sabotage mission (or for propaganda, who knows).
    Just great.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    kek;


    https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1660630391068164096?cxt=HHwWgICwrdqi34suAAAA

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader

    I remember Strelkov predicting weeks or months ago that one of the diversionary movements of the Ukrainians prior to their counteroffensive would be against the Russian border because he warned that no serious defenses were being built there. This looks just like a fishing expedition that should end soon, like the previous one, but who knows. If the Russians prove incapable of repulsing this well-armed detachment, why wouldn't they keep advancing and create a wedge in Russian territory to divert as many forces as they can?

    , @Matra
    @German_reader

    It's knocked the Ukrainian defeat in Bakhmut off the headlines so a bit of a morale boosting propaganda victory I suppose.

  513. @QCIC
    @Last message, throttled and banned

    I think the two main arguments against giving comparable legal sanction to 'gay marriage' and marriage are easy.

    The first one is widely held but not widely discussed from what little I've seen.

    1) Gay men often have very loose sexual boundaries and their "children" are much more likely to be sexually abused than kids in a real marriage.

    Discussion of this crucial topic is suppressed which leaves the weaker #2.

    2) Marriage is a unique and important institution in the West and should be protected. A same sex couple raising children can be fine, but politically and legally conflating this with marriage is specifically intended to break down the family structure.

    Lesbianism has little in common with male homosexuality except that they share ridiculous slogans and radical politics.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    It’s Laxa again.

    🙂

  514. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    The West is risking WW3 in Ukraine...to die over a minor disagreement in Eastern Europe...
     
    The question is: why are the Western elites willing to risk it? (The hoi polloi commoners don't matter, they have no say.)

    Few possibilities:
    - they are savvy calculating risk takers who have it under control...:)
    - the West has a wonder weapon ready to smash Russia, or Putin is their agent
    - the minor loss can lead to the unravelling - not an inch back!!! (now self-fulfilling)
    - they have over-reached and don't know how to back down (oops!)
    - everybody is in a trance.

    I tend to go with the second half of that list, but who knows?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The decisions are made by modern corporate committees. The committee members’ universal motivation is how this might affect their next annual performance review.

    You are a lucky man if you don’t see how this works on a routine basis.

    With the committees that have Biden in the chair this is the end member on that phenomenon as he is the emptiest possible suit.

  515. @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Last message, throttled and banned

    What has done most of the actual winning on long-term policy implementation in the US and will continue to do most of the winning.



    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1660445925180063745?t=C16rgRK1vqnVQ9_lJ3NOKA&s=19

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Laxa honey, here you are again!

    Welcome back.

    🙂

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  516. @German_reader
    @German_reader

    Didn't take long, apparently those weirdo Russian Neo-Nazis (or whatever they are) in Ukraine's service have infiltrated Belgorod region again on a sabotage mission (or for propaganda, who knows).
    Just great.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel, @Matra

    kek;

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro "Free Russians", has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it's "only" handing Russia free propaganda material.
    But I guess one just has to put that under the "post-Soviets doing post-Soviet things" rubric, like so much else.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP, @sudden death

    , @LatW
    @sudden death



    It is an interesting set up. They are under the auspices of the Ukrainian Armed forces, but they act quite independently when it comes to RusFed.

    They probably do have some cooperation with UA secret services (they may or may not, they went through thorough due diligence in the beginning), but their motivation was already there way way before the war. Podolyak is making the correct type of statements, because this is not at his level and this is not in the name of Ukraine, but in the name of Russian citizens.

    This recent activity (if the media reports are correct) is from Freedom of Russia Legion (Caesar), not the Volunteer Corps (which has operated in Bryansk region). The Legion does not have a far right ideology (unlike the Volunteer Corps), although their leader is a traditionalist conservative. The Legion has supported armed resistance for a long time, way before the war in Ukraine.

    They are simply going home to liberate their homeland from scum who put innocents in prisons for many years and who separate children from parents for writing an anti-war slogan somewhere. These are just normal freedom fighters. Personally, I think it's a bit early to return, the political situation is not ripe yet, but they know better. They will continue the war on the Russian soil.

    I mean, what did they expect? That all Russians will just bend over?

    Nothing is secret here at all - all the info along has been open for months and months now and all the intentions have been stated openly a long time ago.

    "Soon you will experience what has never taken place on the territory of Russia ever before, and the little achievement of the Primorsk partisans will seem like a walk in the park to you. There are tens of thousands of us and we are ready to give everything for the future of a free Russia."
    (c) Vol Corps freedom fighter in the glubinka.

    Replies: @LatW

  517. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    kek;


    https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1660630391068164096?cxt=HHwWgICwrdqi34suAAAA

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro “Free Russians”, has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it’s “only” handing Russia free propaganda material.
    But I guess one just has to put that under the “post-Soviets doing post-Soviet things” rubric, like so much else.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro “Free Russians”, has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it’s “only” handing Russia free propaganda material.

    What is bs? That there are currently armed Free Russians fighting Russian forces? Is reality just too hard for you to face? Why not get high instead of pretending to be interested in what is happening?

    Putin defectors say they've seized Belgorod towns, vow to 'liberate Russia'
    https://headtopics.com/us/putin-defectors-say-they-ve-seized-belgorod-towns-vow-to-liberate-russia-39394094

    This also happened during Nazi Germany. The government hated admitting that there were Germans that opposed the dictator. They tried to write them off as foreign agitators. It couldn't possibly be that a German citizen would be against Hitler.

    Oh and try to forget that over 300k Russian men voted with their feet and left the Abortion Empire to avoid conscription in this stupid war. Must all be Jews or something.

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    Tying up Russian forces away from Ukraine could be very useful, and apparently a lot of railroad lines to Ukraine pass by there.

    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea. This was part of the 20th century Ukrainian Hetmanate and recognized as part of Ukraine at Brest-Litovsk in 1918.

    Russians whine about Soviets giving Crimea to Ukraine but forget about Soviets taking Bilhorod from Ukraine:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Ukrainian_State_1918_divisions.png

    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader


    what the point
     
    imho, it probably has mostly current practical military significance as RF will be forced to create operational defensive reserves on the long north border of four regions with UA, which could weaken defense density in the south in the zone of the probable main UA offensive.

    Also, several days ago, there was some minor RF stealth attack in UA Chernigov administrative district near the border, so it may be retaliation too.

    Regarding rhetorics, it's just mocking/mirroring RF spewed BS circa 2014-2021 about not being anyhow involved in UA "civil" war in Donbas;)

  518. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Read.

    https://chevauchee.substack.com/p/coming-soon

    Replies: @songbird

    Thanks that was interesting about patrician vs. plebian religion and ancestor worship.

    [MORE]

    It’s a bit hard for me to understand how the Romans could have given up their old gods, when they had ancestral hearths, and it seems like the city was seldom sacked in deep history. Though, in such a scenario, it is interesting to note how the ceremonial gates of Janus being open in war (and seldom shut), may have lead to his special preservation.

    looks like it degenerated into a socialist demon worshiping matriarchy reliant on long-distance trade networks. Wrong place to go into details.

    This is what I call ‘engaging revisionism’, but I wonder if anyone here can substantiate it.

    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline? Did he also mention something about it degenerating into a ‘demon-worshipping matriarchy?’ (I may have to read him, if he did.)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline?
     
    Yes, it's in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early "globalization" for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually sceptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

  519. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Must be the most sophisticatedly controlled puppet ever, modern technology development and reaction speed is awe inspiring:
     
    Sometimes controls slip. Like when the puppet not only fell asleep, but farted loudly in public during Camilla’s speech at the UK climate summit. She is hard to embarrass, but this puppet managed. Or like it repeatedly forgets that it is supposed to be the president and calls Kamala president. Or when the puppet repeatedly shakes hands of non-existent people. The programming sometimes fails in simple tasks: the puppet often cannot find its way after press briefings. But overall, not bad for a demented half-corpse.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    But overall, not bad for a demented half-corpse.

    More praise for the puppet’s performance. AI of my Neato vacuum does not work as well as the puppet’s. Then again, it’s a lot cheaper.

  520. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.
     
    Comparable to pre-1944 Hungary?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Hitler’s last offer made them a vassal state. Go ahead and dig up his last offer. It wasn’t a proposed alliance where Poland exists as an autonomous state.

    Comparable to pre-1944 Hungary?

    Not at all.

    Hungary was a voluntary member of the Axis alliance up until 1944.

    Poland was basically given an offer to submit to German rule. Hitler planned on carving up Poland from the beginning. It was a common belief by Germans at the time that Poland was an artificial state. Hitler completely ignored their fight against the Soviets in the Polish-Soviet war. The great anti-communist dictator signed a deal with Stalin to split Poland. Both dictators had former anti-Communist combat veterans executed. Truly shameful and ignored by Hitler apologists that try to depict him as trying to save Europe from Communism.

  521. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Thanks that was interesting about patrician vs. plebian religion and ancestor worship.

    It's a bit hard for me to understand how the Romans could have given up their old gods, when they had ancestral hearths, and it seems like the city was seldom sacked in deep history. Though, in such a scenario, it is interesting to note how the ceremonial gates of Janus being open in war (and seldom shut), may have lead to his special preservation.


    looks like it degenerated into a socialist demon worshiping matriarchy reliant on long-distance trade networks. Wrong place to go into details.
     
    This is what I call 'engaging revisionism', but I wonder if anyone here can substantiate it.

    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline? Did he also mention something about it degenerating into a 'demon-worshipping matriarchy?' (I may have to read him, if he did.)

    Replies: @German_reader

    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline?

    Yes, it’s in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early “globalization” for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually sceptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    For some reason, I can't seem to find a good link to the text.

    Probably inferring too much, but from the blurbs, it almost sounds like he uses the word 'globalism' a bunch of times - even if if he dismisses it as a single factor explanation.

    Don't know if I could tolerate that. Repeated stock phrases or words in bestselling nonfiction drive me insane, especially anachronistic ones in histories. There is something about the combination of the lack of sources combined with popularizing language that I find infuriating.

    Once read a a book about the plague which compared it to a nuclear bomb going off. Still makes me shudder...

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader

    I'll focus on commenting on history now to avoid present issues as much as possible (but of course history has obvious important insights for the present and future, hence a key part of history's value).


    Yes, it’s in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early “globalization” for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually skeptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

     

    I think with this it's important to remember that the Ancient Mediterranean was a very different place to the contemporary Mediterranean. Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.

    Although it's true that Rome-Carthage animosity and Punic Wars suggest otherwise, before Punic Wars, Rome and Carthage were very close. Pre-Islamic breakout on Mediterranean meant that there were a lot of casual cultural connections, trade routes, and exchanges despite occasional wars. Perhaps similar to Europe as a common cultural and civilizational space with smooth interactions (aside from occasional wars) pre-20th century. E.g. Phoenicians, Myceneans, Ancient Greeks, Trojans, Romans, Carthaginians, etc. all despite vicissitudes of war and politics interacted closely over many centuries until that relative continuity was shattered by Muslim conquests of 600s. Of course, Greek settlements and Roman conquest helped integrate the Mediterranean as a common space, although Barbarian invasions of late Rome reintroduced some frictions, but nothing as polarizing as Islamic conquests.

    Replies: @German_reader

  522. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MUXj5DtlM8

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This pic is all over Western MSM, even though it’s politically incorrect.

    Official Ukie reaction to the loss of “Fortress Bakhmut” reminds me of the old Russian joke about a woman who came to the neighbor to retrieve a borrowed crock. The neighbor says: “First, I never borrowed it; second, I’ve already returned it; third, it was cracked.”

  523. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro "Free Russians", has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it's "only" handing Russia free propaganda material.
    But I guess one just has to put that under the "post-Soviets doing post-Soviet things" rubric, like so much else.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP, @sudden death

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro “Free Russians”, has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it’s “only” handing Russia free propaganda material.

    What is bs? That there are currently armed Free Russians fighting Russian forces? Is reality just too hard for you to face? Why not get high instead of pretending to be interested in what is happening?

    Putin defectors say they’ve seized Belgorod towns, vow to ‘liberate Russia’
    https://headtopics.com/us/putin-defectors-say-they-ve-seized-belgorod-towns-vow-to-liberate-russia-39394094

    This also happened during Nazi Germany. The government hated admitting that there were Germans that opposed the dictator. They tried to write them off as foreign agitators. It couldn’t possibly be that a German citizen would be against Hitler.

    Oh and try to forget that over 300k Russian men voted with their feet and left the Abortion Empire to avoid conscription in this stupid war. Must all be Jews or something.

  524. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ...Open Borders are inevitable.
     
    Actually not, open borders are a political choice. Most of the world today still has relatively closed borders. It is the US-Canada-EU that are an exception.

    There is also nothing 'rightoid' about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    Something is 'inevitable' right before it becomes impossible. Fatalism is a disease of end-of-liners, maybe you should have some kids...:)...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    There is also nothing ‘rightoid’ about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    There was a time when both right and left supported strict borders.

    In fact it was traditionally a left issue in the US because companies in border states would use cheap illegal labor instead of hiring union members. The Chavez labor movement in fact opposed illegal labor.

    What happened is that the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s. White men became convinced that it is “Freedom” to open the border and flood the country with illegals. Amusingly Ayn Rand supported borders for Israel but not the US or Europe. She is on video ranting about Palestinians as savages while her duped supporters still tell us that we need to keep the borders open for individualists.

    Open borders are not inevitable. We are already seeing pushback in NYC which has a Democrat majority. Sending illegals into Democrat cities was the right move. When Democrats see their already fragile social systems overwhelmed they lose faith in the liberal belief that immigration is always beneficial.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s.
     
    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal - they don't need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    But what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-"racism", and a few other leftist perversions that the left was always prone to support. What a collapse. (Are they all quietly supported by the business interests?)

    Replies: @John Johnson

  525. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro "Free Russians", has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it's "only" handing Russia free propaganda material.
    But I guess one just has to put that under the "post-Soviets doing post-Soviet things" rubric, like so much else.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP, @sudden death

    Tying up Russian forces away from Ukraine could be very useful, and apparently a lot of railroad lines to Ukraine pass by there.

    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea. This was part of the 20th century Ukrainian Hetmanate and recognized as part of Ukraine at Brest-Litovsk in 1918.

    Russians whine about Soviets giving Crimea to Ukraine but forget about Soviets taking Bilhorod from Ukraine:

    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)
     
    If Russia doesn't respond to this by using nukes against Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea.
     
    Apparently a lot of pro-Ukrainians agree, this afternoon I saw the incredibly idiotic line "Bilhorod, not Belgorod" trending on Twitter.
    I understand the sentiments of Matra and Mikel perfectly. Ukraine is really pushing its luck with this kind of bs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  526. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Total bs, of course Ukraine is supporting those bizarro "Free Russians", has already been admitted before. One wonders what the point of this nonsense is supposed to be, best possible outcome is that it's "only" handing Russia free propaganda material.
    But I guess one just has to put that under the "post-Soviets doing post-Soviet things" rubric, like so much else.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP, @sudden death

    what the point

    imho, it probably has mostly current practical military significance as RF will be forced to create operational defensive reserves on the long north border of four regions with UA, which could weaken defense density in the south in the zone of the probable main UA offensive.

    Also, several days ago, there was some minor RF stealth attack in UA Chernigov administrative district near the border, so it may be retaliation too.

    Regarding rhetorics, it’s just mocking/mirroring RF spewed BS circa 2014-2021 about not being anyhow involved in UA “civil” war in Donbas;)

    • LOL: LondonBob
  527. I came across this powerful article about Jean Raspail’s novel the Camp of the Saints :

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/05/spiritual-death-of-the-west

    Again and again in the novel, cowardice and self-hatred are masked and moderated by the conviction that mass immigration into Europe and the deconstruction of European identity will somehow take away the sins of the West. But Raspail knows the truth: Third World immigrants do not have the power to deliver Europeans from their sense of worthlessness. Once one embraces the logic of civilizational repudiation, the endpoint is nihilism and cultural death.

    Interesting here:

    The novel’s band of resisters are very much part of Raspail’s satire. They lack ethical refinement and display a rough, schoolboy Nietzscheanism. They are either lovers of violence or lovers of sensual pleasures. They have only the fragments of the real religion.

    The inspiration Sartre and Frantz Fanon provided to Raspail is also interesting and probably adds to the current relevance.

    I guess I will have to read it now.

    • Thanks: Yahya, German_reader
  528. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    kek;


    https://twitter.com/Podolyak_M/status/1660630391068164096?cxt=HHwWgICwrdqi34suAAAA

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    [MORE]

    It is an interesting set up. They are under the auspices of the Ukrainian Armed forces, but they act quite independently when it comes to RusFed.

    They probably do have some cooperation with UA secret services (they may or may not, they went through thorough due diligence in the beginning), but their motivation was already there way way before the war. Podolyak is making the correct type of statements, because this is not at his level and this is not in the name of Ukraine, but in the name of Russian citizens.

    This recent activity (if the media reports are correct) is from Freedom of Russia Legion (Caesar), not the Volunteer Corps (which has operated in Bryansk region). The Legion does not have a far right ideology (unlike the Volunteer Corps), although their leader is a traditionalist conservative. The Legion has supported armed resistance for a long time, way before the war in Ukraine.

    They are simply going home to liberate their homeland from scum who put innocents in prisons for many years and who separate children from parents for writing an anti-war slogan somewhere. These are just normal freedom fighters. Personally, I think it’s a bit early to return, the political situation is not ripe yet, but they know better. They will continue the war on the Russian soil.

    I mean, what did they expect? That all Russians will just bend over?

    Nothing is secret here at all – all the info along has been open for months and months now and all the intentions have been stated openly a long time ago.

    “Soon you will experience what has never taken place on the territory of Russia ever before, and the little achievement of the Primorsk partisans will seem like a walk in the park to you. There are tens of thousands of us and we are ready to give everything for the future of a free Russia.”
    (c) Vol Corps freedom fighter in the glubinka.

    • Thanks: sudden death
    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Ok, it looks like both groups went into RusFed, they recently announced they would cooperate closer (despite of ideological differences).

  529. @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the "vaguely free market".

    It doesn't matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.

    50,000 out of how many?

    Replies: @sudden death

    50,000 out of how many?

    Roughly about 8% from all, but perhaps 20/80 proportion exists in scientific fields too, so the questions are bit open ended – not that easily to quantify what is the loss rate of the most productive/talented strata.

    According to experts from the Institute for Statistical Research and Economics of Knowledge, as of the second half of last year, there were more than 600,000 science workers in the Russian Federation.

    https://t.me/russica2/51942

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important "Peace Dividends" from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone. This view is based on the unproven notion that the benefits would have been much less if these people had remained within the Soviet economic system. I suppose the biggest dividend was a temporary hiatus from nuclear war MAD problems. I guess that's over now, so back to work Cold Warriors and Peaceniks!

    They used to discuss the 'end of history'. That phase lasted about 30 years. After a resolution happens in Ukraine, maybe historians can start the PU era: Post-Ukraine Era. This should probably have a Russian name to look more erudite.

    Replies: @LatW

  530. @Last message, throttled and banned
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You're going too far Anatoly. Wokism is also a loser ideology. Conservatives win on the vast majority of issues. They just hate recognising that fact. The function of the modern political system is a process of trial and error where the two sides, conservatives and progressives represent one of each of the two tendencies.

    For example, progressives trial gay marriage and, let's all be honest, the conservative arguments against it have been proven ridiculous. It was a good thing and everybody thinks it is fine now. This is not a conspiracy but blatantly true. The reaction against it is a mere psychological tendency and those who are victims of their own psychological tendencies are inferior. Lower forms of consciousness that make themselves feel good by dunking on the people who can't even do basic logic. Well, they can't even do basic self-reflection. They've lost their sunglasses on their head and over their eyes!

    But, while inferior, importantly, they are part of the overall market and therefore paradoxically their opinion counts. They are valued, loved and necessary. Just like the people lacking even the spiritual uplift, abstract thinking, to do basic logic.

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair, and progressives see it and it gives them the confidence to keep risking. Again, these are co-dependent psychological or spiritual tendendicss, enacted on the political stage. Indeed, this tendency to react this way is what creates those movements, out if the conglomeration of millions or billions of differently split-minded neurotics, psychotics and perverts.

    All made from mud and, not fallen, but just working their way into something less earth bound.

    And so and but conservatives are blind to winning on crime (repeatedly), capitalism (constantly), the government supporting families etc etc etc. Basically, everything is a conservative victory. Until it very occasionally isn't, and then conservatives doom and act like they never won. Again, a psychological tendency.

    Conservatives: "Oh my god, the prevalence of a strict and male-jeaded nuclear family does not fit with my mostly false image of the past and even in an age when contraception and unimaginable material security has changed the conditions of life. Maybe I'll have to adjust my neurotic expectations accordingly!!!"

    Progressives: "this technological change means that everyone will live in communal families and experiment constantly because...oh they won't...well then it'll make this change...oh that doesn't work..then this one...now this one...finally, success, see I'm on the right side of history."

    But perhaps I misunderstand you and by "rightoids" you mean dissidents of all stripes. Dissidents are generally losers. From Jew obsessives who are akin to individual middle class investors who think they've devised a simple formulae to predict the stock market, thereby advertising their intense psychosis, to all of the esoteric stuff. Against this, political market trackers win and strick market trackers win. Hayek was right but he didn't understand that modern politics is also an information processing machine and that it would defeat those arguing for just one of its components, the free market in terms of efficacy. I.e the free market is one function of the bigger info processing machine .

    Anyway, basically your progressive turn, a reaction to your temporary derangement on the war, as caused by many factors, is an equal and opposite derangement, but as a psychological balancing mechanism, probably not unhealthy for you. Nonetheless, the political market tracker tends conservative and is open to progressives. That's what will happen. The result of that process. The best thing to do is to accept your own mental insignificance in the face of the world, and the universe, and gravitate your opinion to where the smart and successfull people are. This will be conservative neoliberalism with some woke rhetoric until it isn't. Chasing alpha in this field is pointless unless you speak to God directly.

    And again, maybe this is what you're actually doing. Otherwise, just support policies that will, in the short-run benefit people's lives in boring practical ways. That's all you can know and predict. There isn't alpha there, but it works, and, if you're intensely against something that others see as boringly helpful to their lives and keep allowing, please understand that you're likely to be wrong, not the information processing machine that is everything that you can't possibly conceptualise.

    As for AI, don't worry. It'll be fine. Maybe invest in somewhere that would be great for extremely long holidays. Spring cities are cool. Spring cities with beaches and politically passive populations are better. Black people do commit too much crime, almost everywhere, so avoid areas dominated by them. I should probably follow my own advice but I have my conceptualisation of my own duties and enjoy them.

    Finally, if you're looking for a point, first resolve your contradictions into the paradoxes you can understand, then you'll see.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Last message, throttled and banned, @Coconuts

    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair…

    I was visiting Berlin recently for the first time in about 25 years, now for one reason or another it looks to be around 40% non-white, and a certain number of the white people were Slavs from hearing them speak.

    On Museum Island in what I imagine are some of the premier German museums, about 80% of the visible staff seemed to be non-white.

    I don’t remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts

    The real Germans most likely live in small towns, but what does it say when one gives up his capital city? This is a very negative trend everywhere in the West. On the other hand, some separation could make sense, although it may not be safe, since if the native is no longer in certain places and is not spreading his culture and dominance, then... he simply won't be there.

    , @Matra
    @Coconuts

    Did you go to the German Spy Museum? I went there last time as well as the DDR (East German) Museum. Both would be moderately interesting to anyone who posts here.

    , @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    I don’t remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

     

    According to the statistics, native Brits make up only 44% of London's population, but whenever I visit I don't get the sense that the city is anything other than English/European. Perhaps because the large number of European tourists masks the declining share of whites in London; but still, I don't think you can classify London as an Islamic/African city; it is nowhere close to being 3rd world (I know of which I speak). At least in the wealthy and touristic areas of London, the quality of environment is unmatched anywhere else in the world, and it's fairly easy to avoid the "bad parts" so to speak. I also went to the outskirts of London, around Surrey, a few weeks ago, and you can see a visible decline in the quality of infrastructure and architecture the farther you move away from London. The shops and restaurants were also noticeably poorer, even though Surrey is more ethnically English than London.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  531. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    Frankly, Russia should learn from post-WWII Germany and adopt an anti-militarist and guilty culture, with Ukrainians being Russia’s sacred cows just like Jews are post-WWII Germany’s sacred cows.
     
    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all...
    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they're mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all…

    If you guys had rejected the Wokeness and possibly been more selective with which Muslims you’d have been importing, then it would have worked out better for you. Still, Germany remains Europe’s premier economic engine even right now.

    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they’re mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.

    True, but if Russia will win in Ukraine, it will likely try engaging in cultural genocide there. Not as bad as physical genocide, of course, but still pretty bad.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    Well Ukraine aren't winning, but are engaging in cultural genocide in Western Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Seems the German government is now trying to import 'skilled and semi-skilled' workers from Africa - Ghana and Kenya (the latter from which some say Scholz agreed to take in 250,000 workers - I can't seem to verify if he actually agreed to it).

    And supposedly its dropped its requirements from a university degree down to vocational training. And a lot of the real professionals they import move to other parts of Europe, and there are predicted to be big shortfalls in professional positions, as Germans retire - like the scale that can collapse economies (though maybe this could be rhetoric?)

    But how strange that they are already seeking African labor?! Is that just part of the ideology, or are they really that desperate to try to get the financials working?

    Anyways, there is a lot of ruin in a country, but already looking to Africa? There is no way that will work! Even this replacement state seems to have some built-in mortality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

  532. @LatW
    @sudden death



    It is an interesting set up. They are under the auspices of the Ukrainian Armed forces, but they act quite independently when it comes to RusFed.

    They probably do have some cooperation with UA secret services (they may or may not, they went through thorough due diligence in the beginning), but their motivation was already there way way before the war. Podolyak is making the correct type of statements, because this is not at his level and this is not in the name of Ukraine, but in the name of Russian citizens.

    This recent activity (if the media reports are correct) is from Freedom of Russia Legion (Caesar), not the Volunteer Corps (which has operated in Bryansk region). The Legion does not have a far right ideology (unlike the Volunteer Corps), although their leader is a traditionalist conservative. The Legion has supported armed resistance for a long time, way before the war in Ukraine.

    They are simply going home to liberate their homeland from scum who put innocents in prisons for many years and who separate children from parents for writing an anti-war slogan somewhere. These are just normal freedom fighters. Personally, I think it's a bit early to return, the political situation is not ripe yet, but they know better. They will continue the war on the Russian soil.

    I mean, what did they expect? That all Russians will just bend over?

    Nothing is secret here at all - all the info along has been open for months and months now and all the intentions have been stated openly a long time ago.

    "Soon you will experience what has never taken place on the territory of Russia ever before, and the little achievement of the Primorsk partisans will seem like a walk in the park to you. There are tens of thousands of us and we are ready to give everything for the future of a free Russia."
    (c) Vol Corps freedom fighter in the glubinka.

    Replies: @LatW

    Ok, it looks like both groups went into RusFed, they recently announced they would cooperate closer (despite of ideological differences).

  533. @AP
    @German_reader

    Tying up Russian forces away from Ukraine could be very useful, and apparently a lot of railroad lines to Ukraine pass by there.

    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea. This was part of the 20th century Ukrainian Hetmanate and recognized as part of Ukraine at Brest-Litovsk in 1918.

    Russians whine about Soviets giving Crimea to Ukraine but forget about Soviets taking Bilhorod from Ukraine:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Ukrainian_State_1918_divisions.png

    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)

    If Russia doesn’t respond to this by using nukes against Ukraine.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    A radioactive wasteland would be a decent military buffer zone :(

    I've heard the word Ukraine means "borderland". Someone may have been planning ahead.

  534. @Coconuts
    @Last message, throttled and banned


    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair...
     
    I was visiting Berlin recently for the first time in about 25 years, now for one reason or another it looks to be around 40% non-white, and a certain number of the white people were Slavs from hearing them speak.

    On Museum Island in what I imagine are some of the premier German museums, about 80% of the visible staff seemed to be non-white.

    I don't remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    Replies: @LatW, @Matra, @Yahya

    The real Germans most likely live in small towns, but what does it say when one gives up his capital city? This is a very negative trend everywhere in the West. On the other hand, some separation could make sense, although it may not be safe, since if the native is no longer in certain places and is not spreading his culture and dominance, then… he simply won’t be there.

  535. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ...Open Borders are inevitable.
     
    Actually not, open borders are a political choice. Most of the world today still has relatively closed borders. It is the US-Canada-EU that are an exception.

    There is also nothing 'rightoid' about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    Something is 'inevitable' right before it becomes impossible. Fatalism is a disease of end-of-liners, maybe you should have some kids...:)...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    maybe you should have some kids…:)

    Apparently he can’t. Putin made him become a thing and he’s no longer a man.

    There must be an element of trolling in all of this but, otoh, he does seem to believe in an impending singularity, which was always one of his favorite subjects of interest, so he may believe in it to some extent. Sad in any case. His big intellect made him predict the invasion when most of us couldn’t believe Putin was so insane but he missed an excellent chance to distance himself from what was clear to become, competence or incompetence aside, an ugly carnage. The SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it’s just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not. There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it’s just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not.
     
    It is a war. All real wars are clusterf..ck butchery. It is shocking to have one again, but don't forget the Nato adventures of the recent past. It has started now and to end it the unleashed passions have to burn out. But why only blame Russia? Kiev could end the war by simply acting normally and not hiding in stupid slogans. The West could end it with a single phone call to Kiev. As of now it is only gathering speed, we are in the early chapters.

    There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.
     
    You have too elevated a view of our feudal past - they butchered each other more mindlessly than we do. They fought for things like who will sit on a "throne", or whether "pragmatic sanction" applies. They were real morons compared to us.
    , @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Russia and the USA have thousands of weapons which are capable of killing millions of people in an instant.

    There is a fragile stalemate in this nuclear war arena which apparently kept us all safe and gradually allowed lowering of tensions. The West intentionally weakened this stalemate with the intention of removing it! Anyone who didn't expect a war after that own goal was not paying attention.

    The tragic "good news" is that murdering a million people in the Ukrainian theatre is not as bad as killing billions of people worldwide. The bad news is that Western leaders seem to have an "all or nothing" mindset: either they grab Ukraine or they kill everyone.

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mikel

    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature, I decided not to respond to your idiotic provocations in the previous thread ....but level of BS is getting too extreme. So I will reply to some of the crap I was going to from the previous thread:

    In response to somebody ( I think AnonfromTN) about , clearly, taking Khuev is 3 days not being part of SMO , your retarded response was this:


    At this point any dialogue with you breaks apart. Following your logic, we cannot be sure if Russia is really trying to conquer Bakhmut or liberate Donbass at all. All we can know for sure is that if somehow the Ukrainians were to retake Bakhmut or drive the Russians out from Donbass you would be telling us that the intention of taking Bakhmut or liberating Donbass were just fairy tales invented by “Western and Ukie propagandists”.

    There will never be a way to disprove your null hypothesis: that Putin and the Russian military cannot possibly have embarked in a gigantic screw up, regardless of what our eyes tell us.
     
    Errrr......once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 - that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead. How the f**k are you stupid enough to compare Donbass liberation, what all Donbass and majority of Russia have asked for 8 years.....to something like reunifying with Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev etc you idiot - something nobody was even talking about until western disinfo whoring in the week leading up to SMO?

    The intent to take Kiev is a fairy tale

    So what was the multi-pronged attack that reached the outskirts of Kiev from two sides a clever ruse for? What was accomplished by sending the bulk of the SMO forces towards Kiev at the cost of hundreds (probably thousands) of lives of Russian soldiers and vast quantities of tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, planes, trucks, etc?
     
    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit. If we take Kiev then with all the surrounding areas we would be compelled to liberate simultaneously, that is about 15 million new Russians, immediately . For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that's the MINIMUM you stupid idiot, because in reality as we know from the ukronazi scum genocide actions since 2014 - pensions won't be paid if they remain on liberated territory (OK, pension I will included in the 10k per civilian). State salaries will not be paid, ukronazi oligarchs will either refuse to pay salaries, get sanctioned or assets taken if they do pay to keep the business running......or Russia will nationalise their companies. Add in road maintenance, schools , hospitals blablabla....I would guess that at 6 trillion Rb for 1 years work in 404 - MINIMUM.
    Is there any guarantee that a sane government in 404 would actually have access to state funds for salaries, infrastructure, services spending etc if there was a Russian installed government? In reality those funds would be frozen by their western masters, and either a government in exile or in the west would immediately have been setup


    .......Federal Budget of Russia is 25 Trillion. You seriously think a desire to minimise economic effects from extreme sanctions of the west as shown by the only 2% GDP loss and already started growth this year would be schizophrenically contradicted by all the rest of Russia having 25% of all public spending removed from them immediately? How much of a diseased faggot are you? Stupid prick.


    WTF? "What was accomplished"? Are you serious you deranged POS? the land corridor to Crimea was gained - something west and Banderastan had spent millions of manhours and billions of dollars and fortifications to stop from happening, as was control of Azov coast,Lugansk liberated, much of Donersk region, effective control of Black Sea Coast - blockade or unblockade of black sea coast is entirely at Russia's discretion, radioactive material taken from Chernobyl, control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant ( you're too thick to realise that control of it was basically the WORST-permutation possible for 404 in evaluation of any Russian action, control of it is probably worth more than control of 5 of the biggest 10 cities in Ukraine)

    True that Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye is being targeted by these satanists,clearly NATO is in these boundaries that we now recognise as our own - but have you seen anything to dispute the fact that the west de jure recognises Crimea as part of Russia , you diseased faggot? Where are the long range weapons targeting Crimea? Not a single thing (for now). OK so we know that NATO has been tested on recognition of Banderastan borders and on "ownership" of Black Sea.On both highly strategic issues its proven that Russia owns both where Crimea starts, and is the ruler of the Black Sea (certainly the territorial waters of 404 in Black Sea , and Azov).

    What can or is NATO then doing about Belarus or Caspian Sea?.....f**k all.

    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered........you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

  536. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Something is deeply rotten when everyone in the know understands that a character like Prigozhin is more reliable than our democratic ally or our own media in the “free world”.
     
    The media of the free world may not have full access to everything that is going on on the ground.

    However, our democratic ally is reliable. A few days ago the head of Ukraine's security services, Kirilo Budanov mentioned that Prigozhin has largely been truthful in his recent rants.

    "The scariest thing* is that what Prigozhin says - it is mostly the truth. There are some things which cannot be described as false - they can be perceived in an ambiguous way, however, 80% of what he is saying, actually, it is pure truth."

    This still means that 20% may not be true.

    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/16/7402486/

    * It seems that by "scariest thing" he didn't mean scary for him but probably for Russia (or even the world), it looks like what he means is that this kind of a warlord, a former convict, saying the truth is a grotesquely scary reality.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mikel

    Roepcke and Theiner don’t have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists. In fact, Roepcke is a Western journalist. He just has a reputation to maintain in order to keep Twitter readers following him and he knows (consciously or not) that when it comes to providing factual information, he’s better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.

    The bankruptcy of the Western media is not exactly new. Iraq and Libya didn’t happen for nothing. But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately. Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point and the anti-Trump, Russiagate insanity was the nail in the coffin. Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.
     
    From geopolitical perspective, couldn’t have happened to better people. I guess this sounds like pure schadenfreude. There is Russian saying “don’t spit into a well: you might need to drink from it”. Of course, it’s too late now.
    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    Roepcke and Theiner don’t have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists.
     
    I don't follow these two, I did read Theiner a little last year and he was decent. My point was that most of these Western journalists, during a serious war such as this, would need to be somehow embedded with the troops. This was the case in Iraq, for example, but in there, from what I understand, a lot of them stayed in the heavily fortified base and probably the embassy compound. Even the soldiers themselves past the initial, more intense stage of the Iraq war did not venture out of the base much, since they were very cautious.

    This war is very different, it's all on the open, to be embedded with the troops would be very dangerous. I have seen some good analytical reports by Western media (for example, the in-depth analysis about the beginning of the war, in NY Times, if I'm not mistaken), but overall I do not read Western media much (except for some news and a few foreign policy analytical pieces). All the war related info, I only view on the Ukrainian live stream and the Ukrainian veterans. As well as a few Russian sources.

    he’s better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.
     
    Why wouldn't Prigozhin be a good source since he has been directly involved there (unlike Western journalists)? Granted, he may not be there right now, since he has to be much more careful now not to be "himars'ed" after all those anti-Putin comments he made, Putin's people could direct a himars at him and he knows it. But the point is, as long as you can compare the info against other reliable info, why wouldn't you trust him? It looks now like he's for real. Facts are not ideological.

    But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately.
     
    Western media is a very broad concept, which includes various media that are in fact very different. I know that you are probably referring to more ideological ones.

    Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point a
     
    We were technically at a war situation already then, that's why some media sided with Ukraine. Honestly, I don't know what you're complaining about, since there has been a ton of rabidly anti-Ukrainian media out there for years now. Freely available.

    Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.
     
    This isn't correct - the Ukrainian media is much more open than the Western one. They have several constant live streams going, and they talk to the type of people who would never be allowed on Western media. They are very open, they need to be careful and maintain high standards and not give out too much info right now.


    he’s no longer a man
     
    At least he's man enough to admit the reality (unlike some of the wilder creatures on this forum). He just didn't want to fulfill his "manly duty" to be himars'ed for a state that doesn't provide a 110% support in the rear. Not that he was ever gonna go and live out his imperialist ideology but at least he had fortitude to admit he was wrong (while many still choose to stay deluded here).
  537. A123 says: • Website

    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.

    However — Even the blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut: (1)

    But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia.

    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.

    The European leaders have made it clear that “Zelensky can keep what he’s got”—a villa in Italy and interests in offshore bank accounts—“if he works up a peace deal even if he’s got to be paid off, if it’s the only way to get a deal.”

    So far, the official said, Zelensky has rejected such advice and ignored offers of large sums of money to ease his retreat to an estate he owns in Italy.

    This points at the best, and probably only, option to quickly end the unnecessary dying on both sides. Zelensky bails out to a European Elite sinecure and his family is protected.

    However…. Hersh…. At best 50/50 chance of being true. Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.
     
    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.

    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

  538. @LondonBob
    @Yevardian

    A modern day Horatio at the Bridge.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/west-hams-angel-of-alkmaar-who-single-handedly-fought-off-dutch-ultras-is-a-dad-of-four/ar-AA1bptMi

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Then out spake brave Horatius,
    The Captain of the gate:
    To every man upon this earth
    Death cometh soon or late.
    And how can man die better
    Than facing fearful odds,
    For the ashes of his fathers,
    And the temples of his Gods

    https://poemanalysis.com/thomas-babington-macaulay/horatius/

    Back on topic, can we assume that the commander of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Zaluzhny, is either deceased or not at all well?

    https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/05/20/commander-in-chief-of-ukrainian-armed-forces-said-to-be-in-critical-condition-after-being-wounded/

  539. @Mikel
    @LatW

    Roepcke and Theiner don't have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists. In fact, Roepcke is a Western journalist. He just has a reputation to maintain in order to keep Twitter readers following him and he knows (consciously or not) that when it comes to providing factual information, he's better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.

    The bankruptcy of the Western media is not exactly new. Iraq and Libya didn't happen for nothing. But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately. Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point and the anti-Trump, Russiagate insanity was the nail in the coffin. Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    From geopolitical perspective, couldn’t have happened to better people. I guess this sounds like pure schadenfreude. There is Russian saying “don’t spit into a well: you might need to drink from it”. Of course, it’s too late now.

  540. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)
     
    If Russia doesn't respond to this by using nukes against Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

    A radioactive wasteland would be a decent military buffer zone 🙁

    I’ve heard the word Ukraine means “borderland”. Someone may have been planning ahead.

  541. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all…
     
    If you guys had rejected the Wokeness and possibly been more selective with which Muslims you'd have been importing, then it would have worked out better for you. Still, Germany remains Europe's premier economic engine even right now.

    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they’re mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.
     
    True, but if Russia will win in Ukraine, it will likely try engaging in cultural genocide there. Not as bad as physical genocide, of course, but still pretty bad.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @songbird

    Well Ukraine aren’t winning, but are engaging in cultural genocide in Western Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There are already very few ethnic minorities in Western Ukraine.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  542. @A123
    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.

    However -- Even the blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut: (1)


    But something else is cooking, as some in the American intelligence community know and have reported in secret, at the instigation of government officials at various levels in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, and Latvia.
    ...
    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way. Zelensky is not budging, according to intercepts and other data known inside the Central Intelligence Agency, but he is beginning to lose the private support of his neighbors.

     

    The European leaders have made it clear that “Zelensky can keep what he’s got”—a villa in Italy and interests in offshore bank accounts—“if he works up a peace deal even if he’s got to be paid off, if it’s the only way to get a deal.”

    So far, the official said, Zelensky has rejected such advice and ignored offers of large sums of money to ease his retreat to an estate he owns in Italy.
     

    This points at the best, and probably only, option to quickly end the unnecessary dying on both sides. Zelensky bails out to a European Elite sinecure and his family is protected.

    However.... Hersh.... At best 50/50 chance of being true. Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.

    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.

    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.

    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN


    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way.
     
    Does this imply Poland believes they can recover Galicia by force? That brings to mind an interesting "Let's you and him fight" scenario. Poland helps get Ukraine into a fight with Russia. The Poles expect Ukraine will lose. Russia kills off and discredits the NeoNazis, but is greatly weakened in fighting Ukraine. Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area. I Think we know this one is at least partially true.

    Of course the opposite is possible. The Ukrainian refugees remake Poland in their own image.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.
     
    The reason you hear teeth gnashing from DC is Not-The-President Biden put his dentures in backwards and is trying to speak. Anything you hear from that direction is detached from reality.

    Hersh completely blew the analysis -- Blaming America for a ship that is 100% certain not to be American. (Shakes head). All one can do is point at Harsh and laugh at that failed story.


    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.
     
    Putin is already at his long term budget for reconstruction with the line more or less where it is now. Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    A sound deal would:
        • Freeze the current line
        • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
        • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed -- A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

  543. @German_reader
    @German_reader

    Didn't take long, apparently those weirdo Russian Neo-Nazis (or whatever they are) in Ukraine's service have infiltrated Belgorod region again on a sabotage mission (or for propaganda, who knows).
    Just great.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel, @Matra

    I remember Strelkov predicting weeks or months ago that one of the diversionary movements of the Ukrainians prior to their counteroffensive would be against the Russian border because he warned that no serious defenses were being built there. This looks just like a fishing expedition that should end soon, like the previous one, but who knows. If the Russians prove incapable of repulsing this well-armed detachment, why wouldn’t they keep advancing and create a wedge in Russian territory to divert as many forces as they can?

  544. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    There is also nothing ‘rightoid’ about the choice: it is the only way to keep the living standards high (social left) and to keep the native culture (traditional right). You are welcome to give up, but the issue will not go away.

    There was a time when both right and left supported strict borders.

    In fact it was traditionally a left issue in the US because companies in border states would use cheap illegal labor instead of hiring union members. The Chavez labor movement in fact opposed illegal labor.

    What happened is that the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s. White men became convinced that it is "Freedom" to open the border and flood the country with illegals. Amusingly Ayn Rand supported borders for Israel but not the US or Europe. She is on video ranting about Palestinians as savages while her duped supporters still tell us that we need to keep the borders open for individualists.

    Open borders are not inevitable. We are already seeing pushback in NYC which has a Democrat majority. Sending illegals into Democrat cities was the right move. When Democrats see their already fragile social systems overwhelmed they lose faith in the liberal belief that immigration is always beneficial.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s.

    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal – they don’t need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    But what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-“racism”, and a few other leftist perversions that the left was always prone to support. What a collapse. (Are they all quietly supported by the business interests?)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …the right became infected with the Randin virus in the 70s.
     
    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal – they don’t need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    It is true that the business right has always wanted cheap labor. But they were once kept in check by a cultural right. There was a much better balance until Rand came along. I've never come across any pre-Rand articles by conservatives that argue for open borders. If Operation Wetback was ordered today we would see protests by White male libertarians. These are the same Whites that decry the "militarization of the police" which really means police using AR-15s and body armor because the Democrats have decided to let Blacks go wild. No one complains about the "militarization of the police" in Wyoming. You will see state troopers there still using revolvers. It's total libertarian race denial.

    BBut what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-“racism”

    We have talked about this quite a bit. Yes at some point the Western left favored third world immigration over labor interests. It completely goes against what they were supposed to stand for which is the working class.

    The left at some point became anti-White. That is the crux of it. They decided that White people were the main problem and couldn't accept a world where democratic-left White nations are clearly more advanced even if the workers were well supported. The left is motivated by bitterness and resentment. Outspoken labor-left activists are extremely rare. They eventually get talked into an anti-White/pro-degeneracy platform. The underlying cause is an interesting topic but I'm not sure how much it matters. Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics. Even if they start out as labor focused the colleges convert them into wokesters.

    I've pointed out to leftists that open borders favors cheap labor. Most have been indoctrinated into supporting open borders even if they can't explain why. They really have no response and just mumble about racism.

    I really see little hope for leftists. The independent and labor minded ones are completely outnumbered and outplayed. I can be hard on libertarians in part because I believe a lot of the White men that have been duped by Rand can be useful. As a movement it attracts anti-leftists. It lulls rational Whites through its anti-liberal message but it is just as destructive and globalist. Moderate Democrats do not want open borders but libertarians would not only tear down the fences on the border but would also allow millions of Africans to come by boat and stay.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  545. @German_reader
    @German_reader

    Didn't take long, apparently those weirdo Russian Neo-Nazis (or whatever they are) in Ukraine's service have infiltrated Belgorod region again on a sabotage mission (or for propaganda, who knows).
    Just great.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mikel, @Matra

    It’s knocked the Ukrainian defeat in Bakhmut off the headlines so a bit of a morale boosting propaganda victory I suppose.

  546. QCIC says:
    @sudden death
    @QCIC


    50,000 out of how many?
     
    Roughly about 8% from all, but perhaps 20/80 proportion exists in scientific fields too, so the questions are bit open ended - not that easily to quantify what is the loss rate of the most productive/talented strata.

    According to experts from the Institute for Statistical Research and Economics of Knowledge, as of the second half of last year, there were more than 600,000 science workers in the Russian Federation.
     
    https://t.me/russica2/51942

    Replies: @QCIC

    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important “Peace Dividends” from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone. This view is based on the unproven notion that the benefits would have been much less if these people had remained within the Soviet economic system. I suppose the biggest dividend was a temporary hiatus from nuclear war MAD problems. I guess that’s over now, so back to work Cold Warriors and Peaceniks!

    They used to discuss the ‘end of history’. That phase lasted about 30 years. After a resolution happens in Ukraine, maybe historians can start the PU era: Post-Ukraine Era. This should probably have a Russian name to look more erudite.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important “Peace Dividends” from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone.
     
    How much did this benefit the Russian people? These specialists were raised and nurtured by the Russian people and received their education from Russia. Yet the fruits of their labor - are they shared with Russia?

    Replies: @QCIC

  547. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW

    Roepcke and Theiner don't have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists. In fact, Roepcke is a Western journalist. He just has a reputation to maintain in order to keep Twitter readers following him and he knows (consciously or not) that when it comes to providing factual information, he's better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.

    The bankruptcy of the Western media is not exactly new. Iraq and Libya didn't happen for nothing. But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately. Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point and the anti-Trump, Russiagate insanity was the nail in the coffin. Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @LatW

    Roepcke and Theiner don’t have any inside knowledge unavailable to Western journalists.

    I don’t follow these two, I did read Theiner a little last year and he was decent. My point was that most of these Western journalists, during a serious war such as this, would need to be somehow embedded with the troops. This was the case in Iraq, for example, but in there, from what I understand, a lot of them stayed in the heavily fortified base and probably the embassy compound. Even the soldiers themselves past the initial, more intense stage of the Iraq war did not venture out of the base much, since they were very cautious.

    This war is very different, it’s all on the open, to be embedded with the troops would be very dangerous. I have seen some good analytical reports by Western media (for example, the in-depth analysis about the beginning of the war, in NY Times, if I’m not mistaken), but overall I do not read Western media much (except for some news and a few foreign policy analytical pieces). All the war related info, I only view on the Ukrainian live stream and the Ukrainian veterans. As well as a few Russian sources.

    [MORE]

    he’s better off trusting Prigozhin than his own colleagues.

    Why wouldn’t Prigozhin be a good source since he has been directly involved there (unlike Western journalists)? Granted, he may not be there right now, since he has to be much more careful now not to be “himars’ed” after all those anti-Putin comments he made, Putin’s people could direct a himars at him and he knows it. But the point is, as long as you can compare the info against other reliable info, why wouldn’t you trust him? It looks now like he’s for real. Facts are not ideological.

    But I think that things have deteriorated a lot lately.

    Western media is a very broad concept, which includes various media that are in fact very different. I know that you are probably referring to more ideological ones.

    Giving full support to everything Ukraine said and did in 2014 was a turning point a

    We were technically at a war situation already then, that’s why some media sided with Ukraine. Honestly, I don’t know what you’re complaining about, since there has been a ton of rabidly anti-Ukrainian media out there for years now. Freely available.

    Instead of Ukraine becoming westernized we have ended up being Ukrainicized ourselves.

    This isn’t correct – the Ukrainian media is much more open than the Western one. They have several constant live streams going, and they talk to the type of people who would never be allowed on Western media. They are very open, they need to be careful and maintain high standards and not give out too much info right now.

    he’s no longer a man

    At least he’s man enough to admit the reality (unlike some of the wilder creatures on this forum). He just didn’t want to fulfill his “manly duty” to be himars’ed for a state that doesn’t provide a 110% support in the rear. Not that he was ever gonna go and live out his imperialist ideology but at least he had fortitude to admit he was wrong (while many still choose to stay deluded here).

  548. @Coconuts
    @Last message, throttled and banned


    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair...
     
    I was visiting Berlin recently for the first time in about 25 years, now for one reason or another it looks to be around 40% non-white, and a certain number of the white people were Slavs from hearing them speak.

    On Museum Island in what I imagine are some of the premier German museums, about 80% of the visible staff seemed to be non-white.

    I don't remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    Replies: @LatW, @Matra, @Yahya

    Did you go to the German Spy Museum? I went there last time as well as the DDR (East German) Museum. Both would be moderately interesting to anyone who posts here.

  549. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    maybe you should have some kids…:)
     
    Apparently he can't. Putin made him become a thing and he's no longer a man.

    There must be an element of trolling in all of this but, otoh, he does seem to believe in an impending singularity, which was always one of his favorite subjects of interest, so he may believe in it to some extent. Sad in any case. His big intellect made him predict the invasion when most of us couldn't believe Putin was so insane but he missed an excellent chance to distance himself from what was clear to become, competence or incompetence aside, an ugly carnage. The SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it's just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not. There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it’s just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not.

    It is a war. All real wars are clusterf..ck butchery. It is shocking to have one again, but don’t forget the Nato adventures of the recent past. It has started now and to end it the unleashed passions have to burn out. But why only blame Russia? Kiev could end the war by simply acting normally and not hiding in stupid slogans. The West could end it with a single phone call to Kiev. As of now it is only gathering speed, we are in the early chapters.

    There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    You have too elevated a view of our feudal past – they butchered each other more mindlessly than we do. They fought for things like who will sit on a “throne”, or whether “pragmatic sanction” applies. They were real morons compared to us.

  550. QCIC says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.
     
    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.

    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way.

    Does this imply Poland believes they can recover Galicia by force? That brings to mind an interesting “Let’s you and him fight” scenario. Poland helps get Ukraine into a fight with Russia. The Poles expect Ukraine will lose. Russia kills off and discredits the NeoNazis, but is greatly weakened in fighting Ukraine. Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area. I Think we know this one is at least partially true.

    Of course the opposite is possible. The Ukrainian refugees remake Poland in their own image.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC

    This info by this Hersh is of dubious origin and highly dubious content. Which makes one scrutinize his other stuff more seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

  551. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN


    This group is led by Poland, whose leadership no longer fears the Russian army because its performance in Ukraine has left the glow of its success at Stalingrad during the Second World War in tatters. It has been quietly urging Zelensky to find a way to end the war—even by resigning himself, if necessary—and to allow the process of rebuilding his nation to get under way.
     
    Does this imply Poland believes they can recover Galicia by force? That brings to mind an interesting "Let's you and him fight" scenario. Poland helps get Ukraine into a fight with Russia. The Poles expect Ukraine will lose. Russia kills off and discredits the NeoNazis, but is greatly weakened in fighting Ukraine. Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area. I Think we know this one is at least partially true.

    Of course the opposite is possible. The Ukrainian refugees remake Poland in their own image.

    Replies: @LatW

    This info by this Hersh is of dubious origin and highly dubious content. Which makes one scrutinize his other stuff more seriously.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I don't know much about Hersh but he is an insider and therefore anything true he passes on is probably a "limited hangout". I imagine his stuff is either part of a narrative or simple damage control.

    The claim about Poland didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the paragraph very well so I was unsure of his message.

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Hersh operates like the back door for Rand or the DoD. His only error historically was calling out Calley instead of pointing out that Mai Lay Massacre was a bunch of buck wild niggers killing slants.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  552. @Yahya
    A special day for the Arab world.

    Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.



    https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1659633248643760142?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj3-JydZQ2I&ab_channel=CoreyGil-Shuster

    4:19

    Replies: @Greasy William

  553. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Seymour Hersh is pushing more anonymous rumors. He blew the NordStream story badly, so his recent track record is failure.
     
    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.

    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.

    The reason you hear teeth gnashing from DC is Not-The-President Biden put his dentures in backwards and is trying to speak. Anything you hear from that direction is detached from reality.

    Hersh completely blew the analysis — Blaming America for a ship that is 100% certain not to be American. (Shakes head). All one can do is point at Harsh and laugh at that failed story.

    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.

    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.

    Putin is already at his long term budget for reconstruction with the line more or less where it is now. Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    A sound deal would:
        • Freeze the current line
        • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
        • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed — A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Freeze the current line
     
    Go, freeze it. See a lot of options for freezing? Freeze away.

    Alas, it doesn't work that way in real life. You start a savage war on a foreign territory, that you aren't even able to control, then be ready to take it.

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    A sound deal would:
    • Freeze the current line
    • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
    • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed — A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    You think it is sane to freeze the current line before most of the Western aid has arrived?

    It isn't just land. Donbas is the coal reserve.

    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants. What does Ukraine get? Graves and less land. They also lose their main port.

    What Russia needs is a sane voice in the Kremlin to point out how this was all a terrible idea.

    Of course that won't happen since Russia doesn't have free speech. It's a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.

    Polls show that the Ukrainian people support continuing the war. It's not some top down decision by Zelensky. There is no dogma. Ukraine is not ready to surrender.

    Putin invaded Ukraine and the Ukrainian men are voting with bullets. Putin could end this at any time by withdrawing his military.

    If some little faggot dwarf invaded my country I would also vote with bullets. If some poor rural Slav wants to die for the dictator in a rat hole then let him.

    Take a bow Ivan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TcLm4KP780

    A real professional military there. Leaving a lone Slav to take a nap in a rat hole.

    Good luck with those Bradleys and Strikers.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LatW

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.
     
    That would have been a huge problem if it were attempted. I don’t think Russia intends to annex more than what it holds plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more). Another task I think Putin has is to prevent Poles from getting anything out of it, except more dead bodies of Polish soldiers (active duty soldiers posing as volunteers or mercenaries that are dying in droves now). That means installing the government in the rump Ukraine willing to give Poland diddly squat (using British expression).

    However, the war today is about a lot more than partition lines in the late unlamented Ukraine. NATO entrapped itself.

    Replies: @German_reader

  554. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.
     
    The reason you hear teeth gnashing from DC is Not-The-President Biden put his dentures in backwards and is trying to speak. Anything you hear from that direction is detached from reality.

    Hersh completely blew the analysis -- Blaming America for a ship that is 100% certain not to be American. (Shakes head). All one can do is point at Harsh and laugh at that failed story.


    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.
     
    Putin is already at his long term budget for reconstruction with the line more or less where it is now. Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    A sound deal would:
        • Freeze the current line
        • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
        • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed -- A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Freeze the current line

    Go, freeze it. See a lot of options for freezing? Freeze away.

    Alas, it doesn’t work that way in real life. You start a savage war on a foreign territory, that you aren’t even able to control, then be ready to take it.

  555. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...the right became infected with the Randian virus in the 70s.
     
    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal - they don't need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    But what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-"racism", and a few other leftist perversions that the left was always prone to support. What a collapse. (Are they all quietly supported by the business interests?)

    Replies: @John Johnson

    …the right became infected with the Randin virus in the 70s.

    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal – they don’t need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    It is true that the business right has always wanted cheap labor. But they were once kept in check by a cultural right. There was a much better balance until Rand came along. I’ve never come across any pre-Rand articles by conservatives that argue for open borders. If Operation Wetback was ordered today we would see protests by White male libertarians. These are the same Whites that decry the “militarization of the police” which really means police using AR-15s and body armor because the Democrats have decided to let Blacks go wild. No one complains about the “militarization of the police” in Wyoming. You will see state troopers there still using revolvers. It’s total libertarian race denial.

    BBut what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-“racism”

    We have talked about this quite a bit. Yes at some point the Western left favored third world immigration over labor interests. It completely goes against what they were supposed to stand for which is the working class.

    The left at some point became anti-White. That is the crux of it. They decided that White people were the main problem and couldn’t accept a world where democratic-left White nations are clearly more advanced even if the workers were well supported. The left is motivated by bitterness and resentment. Outspoken labor-left activists are extremely rare. They eventually get talked into an anti-White/pro-degeneracy platform. The underlying cause is an interesting topic but I’m not sure how much it matters. Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics. Even if they start out as labor focused the colleges convert them into wokesters.

    I’ve pointed out to leftists that open borders favors cheap labor. Most have been indoctrinated into supporting open borders even if they can’t explain why. They really have no response and just mumble about racism.

    I really see little hope for leftists. The independent and labor minded ones are completely outnumbered and outplayed. I can be hard on libertarians in part because I believe a lot of the White men that have been duped by Rand can be useful. As a movement it attracts anti-leftists. It lulls rational Whites through its anti-liberal message but it is just as destructive and globalist. Moderate Democrats do not want open borders but libertarians would not only tear down the fences on the border but would also allow millions of Africans to come by boat and stay.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Another revolutionary Jewish bitch fucking up white space.

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    I agree (see, you and I can agree on something ...:).


    ...Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics.
     
    The gender part is more important (or was at the beginning). Something had to be done about the women status as it used to be - but what was done fixed a few issues and created a huge number of new ones: e.g. massive number of women in the white collar office jobs actually lowers productivity, they become the process-heavy unmovable chair-warmers (check out the governments all around feminized world).

    It also destroyed family formation among people who should carry on the native culture. That's where the racial-migrant issue comes in - as a substitute that eventually became worshipped. It is all so thoroughly f..ed up now that only the high living standards are keeping it afloat. God help if that ends - the Western societies are not coherent enough to handle a drop in living standards.

  556. @Coconuts
    @Last message, throttled and banned


    Anyway, so conservatives seee the complete progressive victory on gay marriage and despair...
     
    I was visiting Berlin recently for the first time in about 25 years, now for one reason or another it looks to be around 40% non-white, and a certain number of the white people were Slavs from hearing them speak.

    On Museum Island in what I imagine are some of the premier German museums, about 80% of the visible staff seemed to be non-white.

    I don't remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    Replies: @LatW, @Matra, @Yahya

    I don’t remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

    According to the statistics, native Brits make up only 44% of London’s population, but whenever I visit I don’t get the sense that the city is anything other than English/European. Perhaps because the large number of European tourists masks the declining share of whites in London; but still, I don’t think you can classify London as an Islamic/African city; it is nowhere close to being 3rd world (I know of which I speak). At least in the wealthy and touristic areas of London, the quality of environment is unmatched anywhere else in the world, and it’s fairly easy to avoid the “bad parts” so to speak. I also went to the outskirts of London, around Surrey, a few weeks ago, and you can see a visible decline in the quality of infrastructure and architecture the farther you move away from London. The shops and restaurants were also noticeably poorer, even though Surrey is more ethnically English than London.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    I like Berlin and this little dystopian atmosphere of their city. It's not really dystopian at all, just there is a feeling of the historical destruction and empty centre.

    It is a strange and unusual place, I guess since 1945. I think the Berlin people are friendly, relative to a capital city and it's not too inauthentic.

    London is more typical example of a successful post-industrial first world city. Nowadays, it has lost maybe the brutal and disorganized atmosphere Dostoevsky and Marx was writing about, so it's feeling more of a calm province, than "exciting centre of the world in the 19th century".

    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn't have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

    It's not my opinion deserving to be the pilgrimage site for the anglomaniacs, even although most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles' Vatican.

    -

    There is more of a feeling of anglomania, in the places when every building looks like it is constructed by a lost race of magical ogres or dwarfs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5F6-yyaDY
    Or the traditional English villages, which should have perfectly balanced dwarves' houses

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEjPkyKIDQ

    Also the places with magical elves' castles, although this castle has more of a sinister mafia atmosphere inside in my opinion, and too much disneyland atmosphere outside.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGQ7E2joKg

    Replies: @Yahya

  557. LatW says:
    @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important "Peace Dividends" from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone. This view is based on the unproven notion that the benefits would have been much less if these people had remained within the Soviet economic system. I suppose the biggest dividend was a temporary hiatus from nuclear war MAD problems. I guess that's over now, so back to work Cold Warriors and Peaceniks!

    They used to discuss the 'end of history'. That phase lasted about 30 years. After a resolution happens in Ukraine, maybe historians can start the PU era: Post-Ukraine Era. This should probably have a Russian name to look more erudite.

    Replies: @LatW

    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important “Peace Dividends” from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone.

    How much did this benefit the Russian people? These specialists were raised and nurtured by the Russian people and received their education from Russia. Yet the fruits of their labor – are they shared with Russia?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I wasn't trying to diminish the fact that this entire process was very bad for a lot of Russians. I think the "Peace Dividend" idea was a Western meme designed to gloat over victory in the cold war or something like that. I know there was no such thing for those ex-Soviet scientists and engineers and their families who died early deaths as a result of the upheaval.

    I don't know if Russians here think this notional "Peace Dividend" worked out for them in the long run. A more accurate description might be reduction of the government hand in Russian society and integration with the larger world economy. I don't really know to what degree these have occurred and how positive or negative the results are in terms of daily life.

  558. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.
     
    The reason you hear teeth gnashing from DC is Not-The-President Biden put his dentures in backwards and is trying to speak. Anything you hear from that direction is detached from reality.

    Hersh completely blew the analysis -- Blaming America for a ship that is 100% certain not to be American. (Shakes head). All one can do is point at Harsh and laugh at that failed story.


    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.
     
    Putin is already at his long term budget for reconstruction with the line more or less where it is now. Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    A sound deal would:
        • Freeze the current line
        • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
        • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed -- A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    A sound deal would:
    • Freeze the current line
    • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
    • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed — A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    You think it is sane to freeze the current line before most of the Western aid has arrived?

    It isn’t just land. Donbas is the coal reserve.

    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants. What does Ukraine get? Graves and less land. They also lose their main port.

    What Russia needs is a sane voice in the Kremlin to point out how this was all a terrible idea.

    Of course that won’t happen since Russia doesn’t have free speech. It’s a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.

    Polls show that the Ukrainian people support continuing the war. It’s not some top down decision by Zelensky. There is no dogma. Ukraine is not ready to surrender.

    Putin invaded Ukraine and the Ukrainian men are voting with bullets. Putin could end this at any time by withdrawing his military.

    If some little faggot dwarf invaded my country I would also vote with bullets. If some poor rural Slav wants to die for the dictator in a rat hole then let him.

    Take a bow Ivan

    A real professional military there. Leaving a lone Slav to take a nap in a rat hole.

    Good luck with those Bradleys and Strikers.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    Of course that won’t happen since Russia doesn’t have free speech. It’s a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.
     
    The invasion is murder and Putin is a corrupt thug but this statement is completely false. Russian hipsters walk around Moscow wearing clothing with pro Ukraine slogans and they are left alone. Russia isn't China

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants.
     
    We should look at this issue more broadly. What you describe above is simply brutal resource theft. So we have a situation, where Putin has plenty of coal and arable soil at home, yet he is coming to Ukraine to steal more. At the same time, Putin is allowing China to extract resources in Russia's Far East. China is eyeing lake Baikal, world's largest freshwater lake (which is in fact becoming endangered). So China is grabbing in the East, while Russia is grabbing towards the West - this may be more dangerous for us than we even realize. Ideally, of course, we should've been united with the good forces in Russia, but this hasn't been too realistic so far. Maybe in the future...

    Replies: @QCIC

  559. @John Johnson
    @A123

    A sound deal would:
    • Freeze the current line
    • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
    • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed — A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    You think it is sane to freeze the current line before most of the Western aid has arrived?

    It isn't just land. Donbas is the coal reserve.

    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants. What does Ukraine get? Graves and less land. They also lose their main port.

    What Russia needs is a sane voice in the Kremlin to point out how this was all a terrible idea.

    Of course that won't happen since Russia doesn't have free speech. It's a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.

    Polls show that the Ukrainian people support continuing the war. It's not some top down decision by Zelensky. There is no dogma. Ukraine is not ready to surrender.

    Putin invaded Ukraine and the Ukrainian men are voting with bullets. Putin could end this at any time by withdrawing his military.

    If some little faggot dwarf invaded my country I would also vote with bullets. If some poor rural Slav wants to die for the dictator in a rat hole then let him.

    Take a bow Ivan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TcLm4KP780

    A real professional military there. Leaving a lone Slav to take a nap in a rat hole.

    Good luck with those Bradleys and Strikers.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LatW

    Of course that won’t happen since Russia doesn’t have free speech. It’s a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.

    The invasion is murder and Putin is a corrupt thug but this statement is completely false. Russian hipsters walk around Moscow wearing clothing with pro Ukraine slogans and they are left alone. Russia isn’t China

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Greasy William

    You are saying Russia isn't a 1948 style state?

    Couple arrested for criticizing war in private conversation
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11695831/Shocking-moment-couple-arrested-Russian-restaurant-criticising-Putins-war.html

    Dad arrested after teen draws anti-war picture
    https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/russian-dad-in-anti-war-drawing-case-arrested-in-belarus/

    Anti-war protester raped at police station
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/russia-activist-allegedly-beaten-and-raped-for-reciting-anti-war-poem-online/

    Anti-war journalist given 6 years in prison
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-journalist-ponomarkenko-beaten-custody-ukraine-war/32333064.html

    77 year old peace activist arrested
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-elderly-woman-anti-war-protest-b2027436.html

    How Putin's censors look for posts about him being a dwarf, crab or little naches
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11735931/Vladimir-Putin-secret-team-protect-crab-Hitler-memes.html

    You are telling me this isn't a totalitarian state? Putin made it against the law to merely call it a war. He eventually broke his own rule but it is still on the books. How is it not a totalitarian state when using the word war can lead to jail time?

  560. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @Beckow


    maybe you should have some kids…:)
     
    Apparently he can't. Putin made him become a thing and he's no longer a man.

    There must be an element of trolling in all of this but, otoh, he does seem to believe in an impending singularity, which was always one of his favorite subjects of interest, so he may believe in it to some extent. Sad in any case. His big intellect made him predict the invasion when most of us couldn't believe Putin was so insane but he missed an excellent chance to distance himself from what was clear to become, competence or incompetence aside, an ugly carnage. The SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it's just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not. There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Russia and the USA have thousands of weapons which are capable of killing millions of people in an instant.

    There is a fragile stalemate in this nuclear war arena which apparently kept us all safe and gradually allowed lowering of tensions. The West intentionally weakened this stalemate with the intention of removing it! Anyone who didn’t expect a war after that own goal was not paying attention.

    The tragic “good news” is that murdering a million people in the Ukrainian theatre is not as bad as killing billions of people worldwide. The bad news is that Western leaders seem to have an “all or nothing” mindset: either they grab Ukraine or they kill everyone.

  561. @Greasy William
    @John Johnson


    Of course that won’t happen since Russia doesn’t have free speech. It’s a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.
     
    The invasion is murder and Putin is a corrupt thug but this statement is completely false. Russian hipsters walk around Moscow wearing clothing with pro Ukraine slogans and they are left alone. Russia isn't China

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You are saying Russia isn’t a 1948 style state?

    Couple arrested for criticizing war in private conversation
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11695831/Shocking-moment-couple-arrested-Russian-restaurant-criticising-Putins-war.html

    Dad arrested after teen draws anti-war picture
    https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/russian-dad-in-anti-war-drawing-case-arrested-in-belarus/

    Anti-war protester raped at police station
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/russia-activist-allegedly-beaten-and-raped-for-reciting-anti-war-poem-online/

    Anti-war journalist given 6 years in prison
    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-journalist-ponomarkenko-beaten-custody-ukraine-war/32333064.html

    77 year old peace activist arrested
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-elderly-woman-anti-war-protest-b2027436.html

    How Putin’s censors look for posts about him being a dwarf, crab or little naches
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11735931/Vladimir-Putin-secret-team-protect-crab-Hitler-memes.html

    You are telling me this isn’t a totalitarian state? Putin made it against the law to merely call it a war. He eventually broke his own rule but it is still on the books. How is it not a totalitarian state when using the word war can lead to jail time?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  562. QCIC says:
    @LatW
    @QCIC

    This info by this Hersh is of dubious origin and highly dubious content. Which makes one scrutinize his other stuff more seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    I don’t know much about Hersh but he is an insider and therefore anything true he passes on is probably a “limited hangout”. I imagine his stuff is either part of a narrative or simple damage control.

    The claim about Poland didn’t seem to fit in with the rest of the paragraph very well so I was unsure of his message.

  563. hmm.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Why would they need caste? Outside of the Indus was hunter-gatherers. Low population density. Ganges was hunter-gatherers, IIRC.

    Only makes sense if you are invading an agricultural civilization.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  564. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @A123

    A sound deal would:
    • Freeze the current line
    • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
    • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed — A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    You think it is sane to freeze the current line before most of the Western aid has arrived?

    It isn't just land. Donbas is the coal reserve.

    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants. What does Ukraine get? Graves and less land. They also lose their main port.

    What Russia needs is a sane voice in the Kremlin to point out how this was all a terrible idea.

    Of course that won't happen since Russia doesn't have free speech. It's a 1984 style state where telling the truth can get you 10 years in jail.

    Polls show that the Ukrainian people support continuing the war. It's not some top down decision by Zelensky. There is no dogma. Ukraine is not ready to surrender.

    Putin invaded Ukraine and the Ukrainian men are voting with bullets. Putin could end this at any time by withdrawing his military.

    If some little faggot dwarf invaded my country I would also vote with bullets. If some poor rural Slav wants to die for the dictator in a rat hole then let him.

    Take a bow Ivan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TcLm4KP780

    A real professional military there. Leaving a lone Slav to take a nap in a rat hole.

    Good luck with those Bradleys and Strikers.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @LatW

    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants.

    We should look at this issue more broadly. What you describe above is simply brutal resource theft. So we have a situation, where Putin has plenty of coal and arable soil at home, yet he is coming to Ukraine to steal more. At the same time, Putin is allowing China to extract resources in Russia’s Far East. China is eyeing lake Baikal, world’s largest freshwater lake (which is in fact becoming endangered). So China is grabbing in the East, while Russia is grabbing towards the West – this may be more dangerous for us than we even realize. Ideally, of course, we should’ve been united with the good forces in Russia, but this hasn’t been too realistic so far. Maybe in the future…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    What will it take to convince you people that this war is substantially and possibly largely about "Superpower issues" such as nuclear weapons and Mutually Assured Destruction?

    +++

    Russia has stated many times the West is not agreement capable, so any agreement Moscow signs short of full surrender of Ukraine is probably a failure from their perspective. In other words a hollow agreement which Western partners have no intention of respecting, such as Minsk II.

    Any line East of the Dniepr is obviously a failure for Russia.

    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some "Game-changing" points such as the following:

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties, returns all stolen funds and removes sanctions, removes missile sites from Poland and Romania, collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters, removes US forces from Syria and takes other possible NATO states such as Georgia permanently off the menu. These major important concessions might lead to a result which Ukies would find less intolerable. But what would make the West do these things other than a limited nuclear war in some partial "near-miss" scenario? Amazingly enough, none of these would have any real negative effects for US citizens.

    Replies: @A123

  565. QCIC says:
    @LatW
    @QCIC


    I consider the major post-Soviet exodus of S&T professionals to the West as one of the important “Peace Dividends” from the fall of (or destruction of) the Soviet system. These people made major advances and productive improvements in many areas which benefited everyone.
     
    How much did this benefit the Russian people? These specialists were raised and nurtured by the Russian people and received their education from Russia. Yet the fruits of their labor - are they shared with Russia?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I wasn’t trying to diminish the fact that this entire process was very bad for a lot of Russians. I think the “Peace Dividend” idea was a Western meme designed to gloat over victory in the cold war or something like that. I know there was no such thing for those ex-Soviet scientists and engineers and their families who died early deaths as a result of the upheaval.

    I don’t know if Russians here think this notional “Peace Dividend” worked out for them in the long run. A more accurate description might be reduction of the government hand in Russian society and integration with the larger world economy. I don’t really know to what degree these have occurred and how positive or negative the results are in terms of daily life.

  566. @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    Beyond Meat are processed food products from plant proteins.

    This new idea is to grow animal fat cells artificially, then add this is to the processed food products. The comment which summarized the podcast says.

    "A different way of decreasing the cost for the consumer would be to combine the synthetic meat with plantbased protein such as a soy or pea. The reason this could work is that there are only small difference between plantbased protein and animal protein. The difference stems from the animal fat, which causes the typical taste of meat. It is possible to manipulate the cells of the synthetic meat in such a way, that the meat consists mostly of animal fat. If you combine that with plantbased protein it will have the flavour of meat and similar nutritional value. By doing so, it is possible to produce 5kg of hybrid meat out of 1kg of synthetic meat and plants. "
     

    It's a very industrialized product, at least, doesn't have the negative ethical problem of killing real animals.

    -

    There is another startup UPSIDE foods which received some funding. A few of these different startups already have these pilot projects beginning soon. So, it's just hype for the last years, but it's probably going to become a real industry later this decade. That report seemed not to explain the animal cells wouldn't be structured.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSS9Em4a_qs

    Replies: @Yahya

    Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged.

    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.

    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same “genetic engineering” as South Korea.

    North Korea is evidently kept down by an extreme form of communism, which almost every HBDer recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very few high IQ nations are poor, and picking out the 3-4 outliers doesn’t negate the reliability or validity of IQ in predicting economic success. The HBD argument isn’t that genetics determines destiny, but that it plays an importantrole, especially in the modern age, where cognitive capability is critical to industrial development.

    If “governance software” were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain’s (or Portugal’s) developmental level, despite being culturally and politically modeled upon their mother country?

    Why does India, despite being governed mostly by an Oxbridge-educated Anglophonic elite, not come anywhere close to Singapore’s level of development? Did it not occur to any of India’s leaders to come up with the zany idea of modelling their government after British norms and institutions. You think Nehru, steeped in J.S. Mill and other British thinkers, was incapable of absorbing the ideas of his intellectual idols, and putting them into practice?

    Why does India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still lag Russia in economic development, despite the stranglehold exerted by Bolshevism and Communism on the latter country? You think Stalin imported better governmental software than Nehru?

    Is it a coincidence that 95%+ of Eastern European nations reached upper income levels as soon as the Iron Curtain fell down, while no Latin American, African or South Asian country did?

    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt’s GDP), better infrastructure than Germany.

    South Korea is not a member of the EU, doesn’t receive as much subsidies, yet is richer and more productive than Poland.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    It is different. Russia falls outside
     
    This map line is showing some division of Europe between Aryans vs. Slavs + brown people?

    The map doesn't function, if want to explain an economic difference because of genetics. A large part of genetics in Russia is not different than Estonian people. When my relatives have the genetic test, we have a low level of slavic genetics, but the main proportion is Baltic. This isn't an always idiosyncratic example, in some way predictable, I have seen now many studies and reports explaining this is the mainstream in many regions in Russia.

    Unfortunately, nothing magical with Baltic genetics, is going to help to save the usual lack of alignment of the government. When the political software is like this, if you imported a million Swedish rocket scientists to the country, the government can convert them to another million emigrants.


    recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very
     
    How this hindcast, for example, China in the 19th century, before communism. Today, China has similar economic development as Mexico, perhaps soon it will be like Romania. But in the 19th century, China's income was below Egypt. Why would one time section be more predicted than another time section. If there is some laws of history it needs to generalized across different times.

    Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain’s (or Portugal’s) developmental

     

    Spain and Portugal are in the EU today, they receive tens of billions of dollars of investment and part of the world's largest and wealthiest trade bloc, which also is part of the governance system of those countries.

    Spain and Portugal are governed partly by Brussels, where mainly North Western European political software is managing the countries. Also Egypt would have a lot of development, if it was in the EU for the last decades, as in many ways Egyptian elites would not be managing the country.

    Argentina was historically more wealthy than those countries a century in the past. By the way, a large part of Latin America were developed from slave colonies and many things in society is still structured like this today for countries like Brazil. We might not see this on the graph, which is why we need to read history books.


    “governance software” were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries

     

    There is Argentina, with West European population, still operating unsuccessful updates of an old Spanish software, with century of economic and cultural decline while elites are fighting and extracting from the population.

    If you compare Egypt's neighbor Israel. Israel has almost majority of the immigrants from third world countries like Morocco and Ukraine, a lot of the population are still kind of behaving like peasants from the undeveloped society.

    But even with the majority third world population, they run an English political and legal software and except with things like occupation of West Bank, the government is usually following sensible alignment with the population, compromise, political consensus, English property laws.


    India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still

     

    India has one of the most nerdy and intellectual cultures. If you go to the Western companies, there are often Indians as some of more nerdy employees.

    Intellectual population doesn't save, the social organization and development in India. You know, you need to read the history books about India, as there will be a thousand local variables for the historians to understand in such a country's history.

    Although with this example of India, probably we would need to read a hundred books, learn five of their local languages, live there several hundred years, give sacrifices to Vishnu every morning, and still not understand anything.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya


    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.
     
    Makes one wonder just how much better the corruption situation in Eastern Europe would have been without a long history of Communist rule there.
  567. The yield on a ten year gilt has blasted through four percent today, looks like it could keep going for awhile yet.

  568. @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    On this specific issue, Rasputin was certainly smart. But his view was not accepted by the Russian Tsar or by the Russian Duma back in 1914 or in any other year before the Bolshevik coup.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Just goes to show

  569. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Sure, that has worked out really well for Germans after all…
     
    If you guys had rejected the Wokeness and possibly been more selective with which Muslims you'd have been importing, then it would have worked out better for you. Still, Germany remains Europe's premier economic engine even right now.

    Also pretty absurd comparison. There certainly are quite a few Russian war crimes in Ukraine, but frankly, they’re mostly the standard kind that happen in many wars (e. g. ill-disciplined soldiers brutalizing and killing civilians they suspect of aiding the enemy/engaging in irregular combat; also probably at least a few cases of intentionally trying to kill large numbers of civilians in air raids/missile attacks, like seems to happened at Kramatorsk railway station). Undoubtedly deserving of serious censure, but still not even close to genocidal.
     
    True, but if Russia will win in Ukraine, it will likely try engaging in cultural genocide there. Not as bad as physical genocide, of course, but still pretty bad.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @songbird

    Seems the German government is now trying to import ‘skilled and semi-skilled’ workers from Africa – Ghana and Kenya (the latter from which some say Scholz agreed to take in 250,000 workers – I can’t seem to verify if he actually agreed to it).

    [MORE]

    And supposedly its dropped its requirements from a university degree down to vocational training. And a lot of the real professionals they import move to other parts of Europe, and there are predicted to be big shortfalls in professional positions, as Germans retire – like the scale that can collapse economies (though maybe this could be rhetoric?)

    But how strange that they are already seeking African labor?! Is that just part of the ideology, or are they really that desperate to try to get the financials working?

    Anyways, there is a lot of ruin in a country, but already looking to Africa? There is no way that will work! Even this replacement state seems to have some built-in mortality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    Which countries in the European Union are more attractive to skilled workers than Germany is? I could understand leaving Germany in order to move to the Anglosphere, but which other EU countries offer more than Germany does for skilled workers?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    There is no excuse in 2023 when videos of Africans in action are at the click of a mouse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMG9CCJiQKk&ab_channel=ActiveSelfProtection

  570. @LatW
    @QCIC

    This info by this Hersh is of dubious origin and highly dubious content. Which makes one scrutinize his other stuff more seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Hersh operates like the back door for Rand or the DoD. His only error historically was calling out Calley instead of pointing out that Mai Lay Massacre was a bunch of buck wild niggers killing slants.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    Hersch has sources in the CIA he trusts. Sometimes they feed him contrivances to sway public opinion. Sometimes they feed him straight dope to earn trust. He is about 50-50 over the years.

  571. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader

    Tying up Russian forces away from Ukraine could be very useful, and apparently a lot of railroad lines to Ukraine pass by there.

    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea. This was part of the 20th century Ukrainian Hetmanate and recognized as part of Ukraine at Brest-Litovsk in 1918.

    Russians whine about Soviets giving Crimea to Ukraine but forget about Soviets taking Bilhorod from Ukraine:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Ukrainian_State_1918_divisions.png

    (I don’t imply that Ukraine should try to keep it but opening a front here could be useful and it may be a bargaining chip)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader

    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea.

    Apparently a lot of pro-Ukrainians agree, this afternoon I saw the incredibly idiotic line “Bilhorod, not Belgorod” trending on Twitter.
    I understand the sentiments of Matra and Mikel perfectly. Ukraine is really pushing its luck with this kind of bs.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Ironically, had Bilhorod been a part of Ukraine back in 2010, Yanukovych would have likely won by an even larger margin that year.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    It's attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is "bs?"

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what - 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don't even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Mikel

  572. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …the right became infected with the Randin virus in the 70s.
     
    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal – they don’t need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    It is true that the business right has always wanted cheap labor. But they were once kept in check by a cultural right. There was a much better balance until Rand came along. I've never come across any pre-Rand articles by conservatives that argue for open borders. If Operation Wetback was ordered today we would see protests by White male libertarians. These are the same Whites that decry the "militarization of the police" which really means police using AR-15s and body armor because the Democrats have decided to let Blacks go wild. No one complains about the "militarization of the police" in Wyoming. You will see state troopers there still using revolvers. It's total libertarian race denial.

    BBut what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-“racism”

    We have talked about this quite a bit. Yes at some point the Western left favored third world immigration over labor interests. It completely goes against what they were supposed to stand for which is the working class.

    The left at some point became anti-White. That is the crux of it. They decided that White people were the main problem and couldn't accept a world where democratic-left White nations are clearly more advanced even if the workers were well supported. The left is motivated by bitterness and resentment. Outspoken labor-left activists are extremely rare. They eventually get talked into an anti-White/pro-degeneracy platform. The underlying cause is an interesting topic but I'm not sure how much it matters. Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics. Even if they start out as labor focused the colleges convert them into wokesters.

    I've pointed out to leftists that open borders favors cheap labor. Most have been indoctrinated into supporting open borders even if they can't explain why. They really have no response and just mumble about racism.

    I really see little hope for leftists. The independent and labor minded ones are completely outnumbered and outplayed. I can be hard on libertarians in part because I believe a lot of the White men that have been duped by Rand can be useful. As a movement it attracts anti-leftists. It lulls rational Whites through its anti-liberal message but it is just as destructive and globalist. Moderate Democrats do not want open borders but libertarians would not only tear down the fences on the border but would also allow millions of Africans to come by boat and stay.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Another revolutionary Jewish bitch fucking up white space.

  573. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

    Replies: @Yahya

    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

    4:19

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    the lady doth protest too much. You can tell she wants it

    I was surprised by the responses. I expected them to be much more pro Russian. I was really surprised by what that one said about Syria. The Arab Israelis are all Assad die hards but I guess the Pals in Yesha aren't

    Replies: @QCIC

  574. @Sher Singh
    https://twitter.com/Hulakhu3Khan/status/1660729899865329676?s=20

    hmm.

    Replies: @songbird

    Why would they need caste? Outside of the Indus was hunter-gatherers. Low population density. Ganges was hunter-gatherers, IIRC.

    Only makes sense if you are invading an agricultural civilization.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Because of nigger hatred. IVC ranged from 10-90% Abo with an average of 35.

  575. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    Well Ukraine aren't winning, but are engaging in cultural genocide in Western Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    There are already very few ethnic minorities in Western Ukraine.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    What about Russian Ukrainians?

    They are burning their churches, attacking them in the street for speaking Russian, they've abolished Russian-language education, destroyed historic monuments to their heroes...

  576. @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Seems the German government is now trying to import 'skilled and semi-skilled' workers from Africa - Ghana and Kenya (the latter from which some say Scholz agreed to take in 250,000 workers - I can't seem to verify if he actually agreed to it).

    And supposedly its dropped its requirements from a university degree down to vocational training. And a lot of the real professionals they import move to other parts of Europe, and there are predicted to be big shortfalls in professional positions, as Germans retire - like the scale that can collapse economies (though maybe this could be rhetoric?)

    But how strange that they are already seeking African labor?! Is that just part of the ideology, or are they really that desperate to try to get the financials working?

    Anyways, there is a lot of ruin in a country, but already looking to Africa? There is no way that will work! Even this replacement state seems to have some built-in mortality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Which countries in the European Union are more attractive to skilled workers than Germany is? I could understand leaving Germany in order to move to the Anglosphere, but which other EU countries offer more than Germany does for skilled workers?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Presumably, it is the Anglosphere. (Language being cited as a barrier.) Guess if you are a real professional, going outside of Schengen isn't a barrier.

    Don't really recommend this video (visualpolitik is trash), but I find it very strange on an ideological level. It seems so fish-eyed and alien-hearted for not asking a lot of obvious questions.

    Strange timing too, on the heels of Scholz's visit to East Africa. Almost seems like someone gave them money to be part of a campaign.

    https://youtu.be/1fKhUyF0xbM

  577. @German_reader
    @AP


    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea.
     
    Apparently a lot of pro-Ukrainians agree, this afternoon I saw the incredibly idiotic line "Bilhorod, not Belgorod" trending on Twitter.
    I understand the sentiments of Matra and Mikel perfectly. Ukraine is really pushing its luck with this kind of bs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Ironically, had Bilhorod been a part of Ukraine back in 2010, Yanukovych would have likely won by an even larger margin that year.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    And if Hitler had been Gitler (that’s how Slavs often pronounced the name) we could all be making sly jokes about the soft G H problem of Ukies obsession with language distinctions. “What a git he was!” “Sod that git the boys go wild for rescuing Jews”

    Putler sounds like a specialist golf club.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  578. @Yahya
    @Coconuts


    I don’t remember this last time I visited. Things like the shrinking population of Germans in Berlin may be bigger reasons for despair among conservatives than gay marriage.

     

    According to the statistics, native Brits make up only 44% of London's population, but whenever I visit I don't get the sense that the city is anything other than English/European. Perhaps because the large number of European tourists masks the declining share of whites in London; but still, I don't think you can classify London as an Islamic/African city; it is nowhere close to being 3rd world (I know of which I speak). At least in the wealthy and touristic areas of London, the quality of environment is unmatched anywhere else in the world, and it's fairly easy to avoid the "bad parts" so to speak. I also went to the outskirts of London, around Surrey, a few weeks ago, and you can see a visible decline in the quality of infrastructure and architecture the farther you move away from London. The shops and restaurants were also noticeably poorer, even though Surrey is more ethnically English than London.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I like Berlin and this little dystopian atmosphere of their city. It’s not really dystopian at all, just there is a feeling of the historical destruction and empty centre.

    It is a strange and unusual place, I guess since 1945. I think the Berlin people are friendly, relative to a capital city and it’s not too inauthentic.

    London is more typical example of a successful post-industrial first world city. Nowadays, it has lost maybe the brutal and disorganized atmosphere Dostoevsky and Marx was writing about, so it’s feeling more of a calm province, than “exciting centre of the world in the 19th century”.

    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn’t have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

    It’s not my opinion deserving to be the pilgrimage site for the anglomaniacs, even although most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles’ Vatican.

    [MORE]

    There is more of a feeling of anglomania, in the places when every building looks like it is constructed by a lost race of magical ogres or dwarfs.

    Or the traditional English villages, which should have perfectly balanced dwarves’ houses

    Also the places with magical elves’ castles, although this castle has more of a sinister mafia atmosphere inside in my opinion, and too much disneyland atmosphere outside.

    • Thanks: Yahya
    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn’t have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

     

    You seem to be an expert-level tourist.

    Admittedly, I am a touristic pleb. I've been to France and England a billion times now, but only a single time have I ventured outside the confines of the capitals. Even in Egypt, a trip to the countryside is a Shackeltonian expedition for me.

    I am most comfortable around density. My city-dwelling Cairene genes have overpowered the Bedouin ones.

    Never been to Germany, but if I went, I'd probably stick around Berlin. I am typically most interested in museums, galleries, cathedrals and classical concerts. I'm sure there are some interesting ones outside the capitals, but the best ones would tend to be in the major cities, no?

    most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles’ Vatican.

     

    There are some nice parts in London which give strong "Anglo" vibes, like the neighborhood in Kensington I stayed in during my previous visit. The housing units tend to be smaller (3-4 stories), and made uniformly out of red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called "gentle density" areas.

    But I think you're right the authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside. When I went to the event in Surrey, I felt as though I was entering Narnia-land. A sharp contrast with cosmopolitan London. I hear the French countryside is pretty quaint too, though i've never been.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

  579. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    He correctly named the contractor and possibly the perpetrator of that crime. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington.
     
    The reason you hear teeth gnashing from DC is Not-The-President Biden put his dentures in backwards and is trying to speak. Anything you hear from that direction is detached from reality.

    Hersh completely blew the analysis -- Blaming America for a ship that is 100% certain not to be American. (Shakes head). All one can do is point at Harsh and laugh at that failed story.


    Hopefully, a more credible source will be able to confirm the international efforts to displace Zelensky.
     
    It’s more than a year too late now. This war is about Ukraine no more than WWI was about Serbia.
     
    Putin is already at his long term budget for reconstruction with the line more or less where it is now. Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    A sound deal would:
        • Freeze the current line
        • Prevent future, threatening force build ups
        • End sanctions

    This is very achievable. Most desperately needed -- A sane voice in Kiev that is not saddled with Ukie Maximalist dogma.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW, @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.

    That would have been a huge problem if it were attempted. I don’t think Russia intends to annex more than what it holds plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more). Another task I think Putin has is to prevent Poles from getting anything out of it, except more dead bodies of Polish soldiers (active duty soldiers posing as volunteers or mercenaries that are dying in droves now). That means installing the government in the rump Ukraine willing to give Poland diddly squat (using British expression).

    However, the war today is about a lot more than partition lines in the late unlamented Ukraine. NATO entrapped itself.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).
     
    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  580. @Yahya
    @Greasy William


    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj3-JydZQ2I&ab_channel=CoreyGil-Shuster

    4:19

    Replies: @Greasy William

    the lady doth protest too much. You can tell she wants it

    I was surprised by the responses. I expected them to be much more pro Russian. I was really surprised by what that one said about Syria. The Arab Israelis are all Assad die hards but I guess the Pals in Yesha aren’t

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    Doh! They cut most of the ones which were pro-Russian.

    I guess the Arab women will be disappointed when they find out President Z is gay. Let's see, Jewish and gay, won't they be stoned (the old school version) for consorting with that?

  581. @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Seems the German government is now trying to import 'skilled and semi-skilled' workers from Africa - Ghana and Kenya (the latter from which some say Scholz agreed to take in 250,000 workers - I can't seem to verify if he actually agreed to it).

    And supposedly its dropped its requirements from a university degree down to vocational training. And a lot of the real professionals they import move to other parts of Europe, and there are predicted to be big shortfalls in professional positions, as Germans retire - like the scale that can collapse economies (though maybe this could be rhetoric?)

    But how strange that they are already seeking African labor?! Is that just part of the ideology, or are they really that desperate to try to get the financials working?

    Anyways, there is a lot of ruin in a country, but already looking to Africa? There is no way that will work! Even this replacement state seems to have some built-in mortality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is no excuse in 2023 when videos of Africans in action are at the click of a mouse.

    • Agree: songbird
  582. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Hersh operates like the back door for Rand or the DoD. His only error historically was calling out Calley instead of pointing out that Mai Lay Massacre was a bunch of buck wild niggers killing slants.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hersch has sources in the CIA he trusts. Sometimes they feed him contrivances to sway public opinion. Sometimes they feed him straight dope to earn trust. He is about 50-50 over the years.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  583. Behold….all China needs to do is something to someone somewhere…

  584. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Annexing all of Ukraine would create huge problems for Russia.
     
    That would have been a huge problem if it were attempted. I don’t think Russia intends to annex more than what it holds plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more). Another task I think Putin has is to prevent Poles from getting anything out of it, except more dead bodies of Polish soldiers (active duty soldiers posing as volunteers or mercenaries that are dying in droves now). That means installing the government in the rump Ukraine willing to give Poland diddly squat (using British expression).

    However, the war today is about a lot more than partition lines in the late unlamented Ukraine. NATO entrapped itself.

    Replies: @German_reader

    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).

    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far
     
    Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Most of the world keeps trading with Russia like it did before. China, India, and many other countries have greatly increased their trade with Russia in the last year. Saner parts of the world even open new airline routes to Moscow (e.g., Georgia, Morocco, etc.).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    Chinese will do so.

    , @QCIC
    @German_reader

    Eventually these "stakeholders" may realize that allowing the West to cause a completely avoidable WW3 with Russia is not in their best interests.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Anatoly Karlin once said that North Korea's opinion on the annexation question (it's the only country in the world that has actually recognized Russia's 2022 annexations of additional Ukrainian territory) is worth more than that of dozens of countries because of just how based North Korea is lol.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  585. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    Putin basically gets a check for 50 billion in coal along with Ukrainian nuclear plants.
     
    We should look at this issue more broadly. What you describe above is simply brutal resource theft. So we have a situation, where Putin has plenty of coal and arable soil at home, yet he is coming to Ukraine to steal more. At the same time, Putin is allowing China to extract resources in Russia's Far East. China is eyeing lake Baikal, world's largest freshwater lake (which is in fact becoming endangered). So China is grabbing in the East, while Russia is grabbing towards the West - this may be more dangerous for us than we even realize. Ideally, of course, we should've been united with the good forces in Russia, but this hasn't been too realistic so far. Maybe in the future...

    Replies: @QCIC

    What will it take to convince you people that this war is substantially and possibly largely about “Superpower issues” such as nuclear weapons and Mutually Assured Destruction?

    +++

    Russia has stated many times the West is not agreement capable, so any agreement Moscow signs short of full surrender of Ukraine is probably a failure from their perspective. In other words a hollow agreement which Western partners have no intention of respecting, such as Minsk II.

    Any line East of the Dniepr is obviously a failure for Russia.

    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some “Game-changing” points such as the following:

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties, returns all stolen funds and removes sanctions, removes missile sites from Poland and Romania, collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters, removes US forces from Syria and takes other possible NATO states such as Georgia permanently off the menu. These major important concessions might lead to a result which Ukies would find less intolerable. But what would make the West do these things other than a limited nuclear war in some partial “near-miss” scenario? Amazingly enough, none of these would have any real negative effects for US citizens.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some “Game-changing” points such as the following:
     
    Some of these make sense, some of them are too extreme. Others tie to very different issues

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties,
     
    INF is technically obsolete. The now ubiquitous vertically launched cruise missile makes INF pointless. Strictly speaking both countries were in violation years before it was cancelled.

    America needs to defend against CCP missiles. An ABM that limits China and America would be needed. Restarting a deal that does not match geopolitical reality is a non starter.

    Open skies could be restarted. It is not particularly controversial, though it could use some tweaks.

    removes sanctions,
     
    Of course, this would be included.

    removes missile sites from Poland and Romania
     
    Poland and Romania need to defend themselves from French & German aggression. There is an existential need to move NATO arms out of IslamoGloboHomo countries and into Christian Populist nations such as the Visegrád 4.

    collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters,

     

    International tribunals are laughable. Both America and Russia repudiate the ICC. You have to know this is inconceivable.

    removes US forces from Syria
     
    Sociopath Khamenei and his terrorist proxies would have to be excluded in a verifiable way. As long as Iran is present, America will remain to counter their vile depredations.

    Turkey would also have to go.
    ____

    A smaller list of more practical objectives specific to Ukraine is more likely to produce an immediate armistice. The larger issues such as an ABM treaty that includes the CCP are important, but everything cannot wait on Xi becoming less enamoured of his colonial military might.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  586. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    I like Berlin and this little dystopian atmosphere of their city. It's not really dystopian at all, just there is a feeling of the historical destruction and empty centre.

    It is a strange and unusual place, I guess since 1945. I think the Berlin people are friendly, relative to a capital city and it's not too inauthentic.

    London is more typical example of a successful post-industrial first world city. Nowadays, it has lost maybe the brutal and disorganized atmosphere Dostoevsky and Marx was writing about, so it's feeling more of a calm province, than "exciting centre of the world in the 19th century".

    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn't have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

    It's not my opinion deserving to be the pilgrimage site for the anglomaniacs, even although most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles' Vatican.

    -

    There is more of a feeling of anglomania, in the places when every building looks like it is constructed by a lost race of magical ogres or dwarfs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq5F6-yyaDY
    Or the traditional English villages, which should have perfectly balanced dwarves' houses

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chEjPkyKIDQ

    Also the places with magical elves' castles, although this castle has more of a sinister mafia atmosphere inside in my opinion, and too much disneyland atmosphere outside.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMGQ7E2joKg

    Replies: @Yahya

    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn’t have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

    You seem to be an expert-level tourist.

    Admittedly, I am a touristic pleb. I’ve been to France and England a billion times now, but only a single time have I ventured outside the confines of the capitals. Even in Egypt, a trip to the countryside is a Shackeltonian expedition for me.

    I am most comfortable around density. My city-dwelling Cairene genes have overpowered the Bedouin ones.

    Never been to Germany, but if I went, I’d probably stick around Berlin. I am typically most interested in museums, galleries, cathedrals and classical concerts. I’m sure there are some interesting ones outside the capitals, but the best ones would tend to be in the major cities, no?

    most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles’ Vatican.

    There are some nice parts in London which give strong “Anglo” vibes, like the neighborhood in Kensington I stayed in during my previous visit. The housing units tend to be smaller (3-4 stories), and made uniformly out of red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called “gentle density” areas.

    But I think you’re right the authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside. When I went to the event in Surrey, I felt as though I was entering Narnia-land. A sharp contrast with cosmopolitan London. I hear the French countryside is pretty quaint too, though i’ve never been.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    Cotswolds (and Chilterns to a lesser extent) are Narnia.

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.

    https://www.worldfinance.com/strategy/egypts-economic-woes



    “Egypt’s economy is one of the most vulnerable to the war in Ukraine given its position as a net commodity importer. This has left the country more at risk of the large swings in commodity prices and has exacerbated strains in the balance of payments that were already present following the pandemic,” explains James Swanston, MENA Economist at the UK-based Capital Economics.

    -


    Apart from ripple effects emanating from a weakening currency, poverty is on the rise. Roughly a third of Egypt’s 104 million population live in poverty. The country’s plight is worsened by debt, a huge chunk of which Kaldas contends has been accumulated by borrowing to finance unnecessary vanity projects as well as excessive arms imports. “The government needs to be much more prudent about its spending priorities and subject any new project to a credible and well-studied cost benefit analysis that shows such spending is worthwhile,” he notes.
     
    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.

    "A weak private sector is the last thing Egypt needs, not when the country is witnessing an unprecedented surge in birth rate. In February 2020, the country’s population crossed the 100 million mark. Since then, Egypt has been adding a million people to its population every 240 days on average."

     

    Probability of being re-incarnated in Egypt is higher than some other countries.

    red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called “gentle density” areas.

     

    They were building the best bourgeois residential systems in the world in this epoch of the 18th century and 19th century.

    I guess those Brooklyn houses have influence from English architecture. In New York, those kind of houses seem often the most attractive houses in my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.

    In comparison to other European culture, you can usually see influence in this architecture of the anglosaxon civilization, with focus on the personal autonomy, balance between public and private space etc.

    authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside.
     
    These areas also had a lot of money for the building, compared to some other countries.

    You know Dublin has a similar style, but generally noncreative and boring architecture compared to other cities of the region.

    Replies: @Yahya

  587. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).
     
    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far

    Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Most of the world keeps trading with Russia like it did before. China, India, and many other countries have greatly increased their trade with Russia in the last year. Saner parts of the world even open new airline routes to Moscow (e.g., Georgia, Morocco, etc.).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN


    I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far
     
    Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Most of the world keeps trading with Russia like it did before. China, India, and many other countries have greatly increased their trade with Russia in the last year. Saner parts of the world even open new airline routes to Moscow (e.g., Georgia, Morocco, etc.).

    Talk is cheap and Russia is highly dependent on oil sales. It doesn't matter if the world outside the US/EU keeps trade relations because Putin needs gas sales from the West to fund his abortion empire.

    Their oil revenue is down 40% year over year.
    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230519_26/

  588. @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    the lady doth protest too much. You can tell she wants it

    I was surprised by the responses. I expected them to be much more pro Russian. I was really surprised by what that one said about Syria. The Arab Israelis are all Assad die hards but I guess the Pals in Yesha aren't

    Replies: @QCIC

    Doh! They cut most of the ones which were pro-Russian.

    I guess the Arab women will be disappointed when they find out President Z is gay. Let’s see, Jewish and gay, won’t they be stoned (the old school version) for consorting with that?

  589. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).
     
    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Chinese will do so.

  590. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn’t have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

     

    You seem to be an expert-level tourist.

    Admittedly, I am a touristic pleb. I've been to France and England a billion times now, but only a single time have I ventured outside the confines of the capitals. Even in Egypt, a trip to the countryside is a Shackeltonian expedition for me.

    I am most comfortable around density. My city-dwelling Cairene genes have overpowered the Bedouin ones.

    Never been to Germany, but if I went, I'd probably stick around Berlin. I am typically most interested in museums, galleries, cathedrals and classical concerts. I'm sure there are some interesting ones outside the capitals, but the best ones would tend to be in the major cities, no?

    most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles’ Vatican.

     

    There are some nice parts in London which give strong "Anglo" vibes, like the neighborhood in Kensington I stayed in during my previous visit. The housing units tend to be smaller (3-4 stories), and made uniformly out of red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called "gentle density" areas.

    But I think you're right the authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside. When I went to the event in Surrey, I felt as though I was entering Narnia-land. A sharp contrast with cosmopolitan London. I hear the French countryside is pretty quaint too, though i've never been.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Cotswolds (and Chilterns to a lesser extent) are Narnia.

  591. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).
     
    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Eventually these “stakeholders” may realize that allowing the West to cause a completely avoidable WW3 with Russia is not in their best interests.

  592. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged.
     
    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.


    https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/religious-divisions-of-europe-map-austrasia-hajnal-line.png


    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same “genetic engineering” as South Korea.
     
    North Korea is evidently kept down by an extreme form of communism, which almost every HBDer recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very few high IQ nations are poor, and picking out the 3-4 outliers doesn't negate the reliability or validity of IQ in predicting economic success. The HBD argument isn't that genetics determines destiny, but that it plays an importantrole, especially in the modern age, where cognitive capability is critical to industrial development.

    If "governance software" were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain's (or Portugal's) developmental level, despite being culturally and politically modeled upon their mother country?

    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png

    Why does India, despite being governed mostly by an Oxbridge-educated Anglophonic elite, not come anywhere close to Singapore's level of development? Did it not occur to any of India's leaders to come up with the zany idea of modelling their government after British norms and institutions. You think Nehru, steeped in J.S. Mill and other British thinkers, was incapable of absorbing the ideas of his intellectual idols, and putting them into practice?

    Why does India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still lag Russia in economic development, despite the stranglehold exerted by Bolshevism and Communism on the latter country? You think Stalin imported better governmental software than Nehru?


    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png


    Is it a coincidence that 95%+ of Eastern European nations reached upper income levels as soon as the Iron Curtain fell down, while no Latin American, African or South Asian country did?


    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt’s GDP), better infrastructure than Germany.

     

    South Korea is not a member of the EU, doesn't receive as much subsidies, yet is richer and more productive than Poland.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    It is different. Russia falls outside

    This map line is showing some division of Europe between Aryans vs. Slavs + brown people?

    The map doesn’t function, if want to explain an economic difference because of genetics. A large part of genetics in Russia is not different than Estonian people. When my relatives have the genetic test, we have a low level of slavic genetics, but the main proportion is Baltic. This isn’t an always idiosyncratic example, in some way predictable, I have seen now many studies and reports explaining this is the mainstream in many regions in Russia.

    Unfortunately, nothing magical with Baltic genetics, is going to help to save the usual lack of alignment of the government. When the political software is like this, if you imported a million Swedish rocket scientists to the country, the government can convert them to another million emigrants.

    recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very

    How this hindcast, for example, China in the 19th century, before communism. Today, China has similar economic development as Mexico, perhaps soon it will be like Romania. But in the 19th century, China’s income was below Egypt. Why would one time section be more predicted than another time section. If there is some laws of history it needs to generalized across different times.

    Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain’s (or Portugal’s) developmental

    Spain and Portugal are in the EU today, they receive tens of billions of dollars of investment and part of the world’s largest and wealthiest trade bloc, which also is part of the governance system of those countries.

    Spain and Portugal are governed partly by Brussels, where mainly North Western European political software is managing the countries. Also Egypt would have a lot of development, if it was in the EU for the last decades, as in many ways Egyptian elites would not be managing the country.

    Argentina was historically more wealthy than those countries a century in the past. By the way, a large part of Latin America were developed from slave colonies and many things in society is still structured like this today for countries like Brazil. We might not see this on the graph, which is why we need to read history books.

    “governance software” were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries

    There is Argentina, with West European population, still operating unsuccessful updates of an old Spanish software, with century of economic and cultural decline while elites are fighting and extracting from the population.

    If you compare Egypt’s neighbor Israel. Israel has almost majority of the immigrants from third world countries like Morocco and Ukraine, a lot of the population are still kind of behaving like peasants from the undeveloped society.

    But even with the majority third world population, they run an English political and legal software and except with things like occupation of West Bank, the government is usually following sensible alignment with the population, compromise, political consensus, English property laws.

    India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still

    India has one of the most nerdy and intellectual cultures. If you go to the Western companies, there are often Indians as some of more nerdy employees.

    Intellectual population doesn’t save, the social organization and development in India. You know, you need to read the history books about India, as there will be a thousand local variables for the historians to understand in such a country’s history.

    Although with this example of India, probably we would need to read a hundred books, learn five of their local languages, live there several hundred years, give sacrifices to Vishnu every morning, and still not understand anything.

  593. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Ironically, had Bilhorod been a part of Ukraine back in 2010, Yanukovych would have likely won by an even larger margin that year.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    And if Hitler had been Gitler (that’s how Slavs often pronounced the name) we could all be making sly jokes about the soft G H problem of Ukies obsession with language distinctions. “What a git he was!” “Sod that git the boys go wild for rescuing Jews”

    Putler sounds like a specialist golf club.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Wokechoke

    If Hitler was Gitler he might have been Jewish lol:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira_Gitler#:~:text=Gitler%20was%20born%20at%20Brooklyn,Charlie%20Parker%20and%20Dizzy%20Gillespie.

  594. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @LatW

    What will it take to convince you people that this war is substantially and possibly largely about "Superpower issues" such as nuclear weapons and Mutually Assured Destruction?

    +++

    Russia has stated many times the West is not agreement capable, so any agreement Moscow signs short of full surrender of Ukraine is probably a failure from their perspective. In other words a hollow agreement which Western partners have no intention of respecting, such as Minsk II.

    Any line East of the Dniepr is obviously a failure for Russia.

    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some "Game-changing" points such as the following:

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties, returns all stolen funds and removes sanctions, removes missile sites from Poland and Romania, collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters, removes US forces from Syria and takes other possible NATO states such as Georgia permanently off the menu. These major important concessions might lead to a result which Ukies would find less intolerable. But what would make the West do these things other than a limited nuclear war in some partial "near-miss" scenario? Amazingly enough, none of these would have any real negative effects for US citizens.

    Replies: @A123

    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some “Game-changing” points such as the following:

    Some of these make sense, some of them are too extreme. Others tie to very different issues

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties,

    INF is technically obsolete. The now ubiquitous vertically launched cruise missile makes INF pointless. Strictly speaking both countries were in violation years before it was cancelled.

    America needs to defend against CCP missiles. An ABM that limits China and America would be needed. Restarting a deal that does not match geopolitical reality is a non starter.

    Open skies could be restarted. It is not particularly controversial, though it could use some tweaks.

    removes sanctions,

    Of course, this would be included.

    removes missile sites from Poland and Romania

    Poland and Romania need to defend themselves from French & German aggression. There is an existential need to move NATO arms out of IslamoGloboHomo countries and into Christian Populist nations such as the Visegrád 4.

    collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters,

    International tribunals are laughable. Both America and Russia repudiate the ICC. You have to know this is inconceivable.

    removes US forces from Syria

    Sociopath Khamenei and his terrorist proxies would have to be excluded in a verifiable way. As long as Iran is present, America will remain to counter their vile depredations.

    Turkey would also have to go.
    ____

    A smaller list of more practical objectives specific to Ukraine is more likely to produce an immediate armistice. The larger issues such as an ABM treaty that includes the CCP are important, but everything cannot wait on Xi becoming less enamoured of his colonial military might.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don't believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security. I believe they think long term, so real steps in a positive direction might be enough, but who knows. I am familiar with the points you made, but I think you are underestimating the Russian concern level. They did not make the Poseidon weapon because they think the US is "reasonable". It is a weapon meant to deal with an unreasonable adversary. The Burevestnik may have a similar psychological purpose.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I'm not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like "low hanging fruit" for negotiators. I agree any tribunal is probably not implemented through the ICC, which is probably unsalvageable from Russia's perspective. Maybe the USA would play a role by extraditing some Bandera-types who thought they were safe and sound.

    In terms of the big picture this is similar to NSII. The players will be happy to trot out experts explaining your Sluggo theory even if it is not the cause of the explosions. Better to restart the pipe and no one has to take the blame. Behind the scenes Russia pressures the West with evidence of the Western demolition to get a very good deal to cover their troubles. On the other hand, the West might make Ukraine the fall guy for NSII since they will not have any money to lose to Russia.

    I think Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn't seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.

    Replies: @A123

  595. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline?
     
    Yes, it's in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early "globalization" for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually sceptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    For some reason, I can’t seem to find a good link to the text.

    Probably inferring too much, but from the blurbs, it almost sounds like he uses the word ‘globalism’ a bunch of times – even if if he dismisses it as a single factor explanation.

    Don’t know if I could tolerate that. Repeated stock phrases or words in bestselling nonfiction drive me insane, especially anachronistic ones in histories. There is something about the combination of the lack of sources combined with popularizing language that I find infuriating.

    Once read a a book about the plague which compared it to a nuclear bomb going off. Still makes me shudder…

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    For some reason, I can’t seem to find a good link to the text.
     
    Just pirate it on LibGen:
    http://library.lol/main/44797D2D2C2463BA2E3F769944315822

    It's not bad, didn't find it excessively popularizing. Cline is actually honest enough to admit that all the grand theories for the Late Bronze Age collapse have issues, he doesn't try to offer a neat narrative where everything just fits.

    Replies: @songbird

  596. Right now the border zone in Belgorod oblast’ feels like:

    And the local FSB feels like:

    (Sorry couldn’t help myself)

    These imbeciles spent 10 bln $ on “defensive” countermeasures in the border zone and all the pro-Ukrainian Russian nationalists had to do to avoid these non-existent defenses (the moneys were stolen as usual) was to enter through an abandoned checkpoint.

    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.

    LOL

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    border zone in Belgorod oblast’ feels like
     
    Actually, they are operating under the slogan which is even older than this song - Отбоя не было, добудем Родину! It's from 1917.

    This is a very creative raid. With relatively minimal resources the idea is to de-sacralize Putin and to show there are Russians who want freedom from his neo-Bolshevik government and that they are willing and able to fight for it with something more than just white ribbons.

    And to think that this is the second time they do it (first time was in Bryansk - after which the mayor of Bryansk took out some old fashioned gear). Hopefully, they don't hurt innocents.


    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.
     
    I know, too funny. In their defense though it can be said that nobody was going to ever attack Matushka in her RF borders and they most definitely must have known this, so they couldn't bother preparing anything. It was safe the whole time, until they decided to go on their extraterritorial escapade. A bigger облом is hard to fathom.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

  597. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    For some reason, I can't seem to find a good link to the text.

    Probably inferring too much, but from the blurbs, it almost sounds like he uses the word 'globalism' a bunch of times - even if if he dismisses it as a single factor explanation.

    Don't know if I could tolerate that. Repeated stock phrases or words in bestselling nonfiction drive me insane, especially anachronistic ones in histories. There is something about the combination of the lack of sources combined with popularizing language that I find infuriating.

    Once read a a book about the plague which compared it to a nuclear bomb going off. Still makes me shudder...

    Replies: @German_reader

    For some reason, I can’t seem to find a good link to the text.

    Just pirate it on LibGen:
    http://library.lol/main/44797D2D2C2463BA2E3F769944315822

    It’s not bad, didn’t find it excessively popularizing. Cline is actually honest enough to admit that all the grand theories for the Late Bronze Age collapse have issues, he doesn’t try to offer a neat narrative where everything just fits.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Sometimes, I don't behave any luck with certain books. For me, the links are all broken now or else seem to go to questionable ads, despite using adblocker.

    But thanks for your assessment.

    Replies: @German_reader

  598. A123 says: • Website

    😁See picture below [MORE]😂

    SAUL ALINSKY SMILES: Florida GOP Chair makes the NAACP Chair an offer he will probably refuse.

    Yesterday, we told you about the latest travel warning from the NAACP. The NAACP outrageously declared Florida unsafe for Black Americans. Today, Christian Ziegler, Chairman of the Florida Republican Party, made an offer the chairman of the NAACP surely cannot refuse (but he probably will).

    [MORE]

    You see, the Chairman of the Board of Directors of the NAACP, Leon Russell, is himself a Florida resident. Can you imagine living in a place so unsafe? Chairman Ziegler, always one to be helpful to his fellow Floridian, offered to pay the moving expenses of Mr. Russell if he wanted to flee the dreadful state. What a generous gesture.

    Heh, indeed.™

    PEACE 😇
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    [MORE]

     

  599. @Ivashka the fool
    Right now the border zone in Belgorod oblast' feels like:

    https://youtu.be/OpTC_McHEzw

    And the local FSB feels like:

    https://youtu.be/BjZ4pN5xqxM

    (Sorry couldn't help myself)

    These imbeciles spent 10 bln $ on "defensive" countermeasures in the border zone and all the pro-Ukrainian Russian nationalists had to do to avoid these non-existent defenses (the moneys were stolen as usual) was to enter through an abandoned checkpoint.

    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.

    LOL

    Replies: @LatW

    border zone in Belgorod oblast’ feels like

    Actually, they are operating under the slogan which is even older than this song – Отбоя не было, добудем Родину! It’s from 1917.

    This is a very creative raid. With relatively minimal resources the idea is to de-sacralize Putin and to show there are Russians who want freedom from his neo-Bolshevik government and that they are willing and able to fight for it with something more than just white ribbons.

    And to think that this is the second time they do it (first time was in Bryansk – after which the mayor of Bryansk took out some old fashioned gear). Hopefully, they don’t hurt innocents.

    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.

    I know, too funny. In their defense though it can be said that nobody was going to ever attack Matushka in her RF borders and they most definitely must have known this, so they couldn’t bother preparing anything. It was safe the whole time, until they decided to go on their extraterritorial escapade. A bigger облом is hard to fathom.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    It's just too funny... LOL

    To hit Kyiv with a barrage of Kinzhals, to send all the troops into a small area in southern Ukraine, but to leave the actual border completely open... Belgorod to Moscow is 600kms, Bryansk to Moscow 400kms. What does it look like there? Is the road fully open?

    I guess at least Rosgvardia is at home.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    A bigger облом is hard to fathom
     
    Indeed.

    LOL

    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters. That's adding insult to injury. And there is nothing they can do because they don't want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime. These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits. They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn't want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.

    As the Russian saying goes, Punya and his crew are молодец против овец, а на молодца и сам овца...

    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

  600. @German_reader
    @songbird


    For some reason, I can’t seem to find a good link to the text.
     
    Just pirate it on LibGen:
    http://library.lol/main/44797D2D2C2463BA2E3F769944315822

    It's not bad, didn't find it excessively popularizing. Cline is actually honest enough to admit that all the grand theories for the Late Bronze Age collapse have issues, he doesn't try to offer a neat narrative where everything just fits.

    Replies: @songbird

    Sometimes, I don’t behave any luck with certain books. For me, the links are all broken now or else seem to go to questionable ads, despite using adblocker.

    But thanks for your assessment.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    For me, the links are all broken now
     
    It's having issues right now for me too, maybe too much traffic? Should be ok again eventually.
    Don't know about the ads, never get those (I always use the first download mirror on libgen.is, don't know about the others, or other LibGen sites).
  601. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Sometimes, I don't behave any luck with certain books. For me, the links are all broken now or else seem to go to questionable ads, despite using adblocker.

    But thanks for your assessment.

    Replies: @German_reader

    For me, the links are all broken now

    It’s having issues right now for me too, maybe too much traffic? Should be ok again eventually.
    Don’t know about the ads, never get those (I always use the first download mirror on libgen.is, don’t know about the others, or other LibGen sites).

    • Thanks: songbird
  602. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    border zone in Belgorod oblast’ feels like
     
    Actually, they are operating under the slogan which is even older than this song - Отбоя не было, добудем Родину! It's from 1917.

    This is a very creative raid. With relatively minimal resources the idea is to de-sacralize Putin and to show there are Russians who want freedom from his neo-Bolshevik government and that they are willing and able to fight for it with something more than just white ribbons.

    And to think that this is the second time they do it (first time was in Bryansk - after which the mayor of Bryansk took out some old fashioned gear). Hopefully, they don't hurt innocents.


    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.
     
    I know, too funny. In their defense though it can be said that nobody was going to ever attack Matushka in her RF borders and they most definitely must have known this, so they couldn't bother preparing anything. It was safe the whole time, until they decided to go on their extraterritorial escapade. A bigger облом is hard to fathom.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s just too funny… LOL

    To hit Kyiv with a barrage of Kinzhals, to send all the troops into a small area in southern Ukraine, but to leave the actual border completely open… Belgorod to Moscow is 600kms, Bryansk to Moscow 400kms. What does it look like there? Is the road fully open?

    I guess at least Rosgvardia is at home.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    Any chance this is made up, as a Russian false-flag to build up emotional support for heavier strikes in Ukraine? This might be important because Western media may run civilian casualty porn at a horrifying level we have never seen before.

    The drone strike on the Kremlin was also very strange. It makes the Kremlins look retarded, but also generates genuine rage which can be channeled.

    This psychwar will happen anyway, so it doesn't matter if it was real or false flag from that perspective. Obviously is a great morale builder for many Ukrainians.

  603. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    Which countries in the European Union are more attractive to skilled workers than Germany is? I could understand leaving Germany in order to move to the Anglosphere, but which other EU countries offer more than Germany does for skilled workers?

    Replies: @songbird

    Presumably, it is the Anglosphere. (Language being cited as a barrier.) Guess if you are a real professional, going outside of Schengen isn’t a barrier.

    [MORE]

    Don’t really recommend this video (visualpolitik is trash), but I find it very strange on an ideological level. It seems so fish-eyed and alien-hearted for not asking a lot of obvious questions.

    Strange timing too, on the heels of Scholz’s visit to East Africa. Almost seems like someone gave them money to be part of a campaign.

  604. The Lokot Autonomy was in Bryansk oblost’, too.

  605. @A123
    @QCIC


    Post-SMO, Russia might agree to some things which are positive for Ukrainian nationalists if the West agrees to some “Game-changing” points such as the following:
     
    Some of these make sense, some of them are too extreme. Others tie to very different issues

    US rejoins ABM, INF, Open Skies treaties,
     
    INF is technically obsolete. The now ubiquitous vertically launched cruise missile makes INF pointless. Strictly speaking both countries were in violation years before it was cancelled.

    America needs to defend against CCP missiles. An ABM that limits China and America would be needed. Restarting a deal that does not match geopolitical reality is a non starter.

    Open skies could be restarted. It is not particularly controversial, though it could use some tweaks.

    removes sanctions,
     
    Of course, this would be included.

    removes missile sites from Poland and Romania
     
    Poland and Romania need to defend themselves from French & German aggression. There is an existential need to move NATO arms out of IslamoGloboHomo countries and into Christian Populist nations such as the Visegrád 4.

    collaborates in some international tribunal for NeoNazis and supporters,

     

    International tribunals are laughable. Both America and Russia repudiate the ICC. You have to know this is inconceivable.

    removes US forces from Syria
     
    Sociopath Khamenei and his terrorist proxies would have to be excluded in a verifiable way. As long as Iran is present, America will remain to counter their vile depredations.

    Turkey would also have to go.
    ____

    A smaller list of more practical objectives specific to Ukraine is more likely to produce an immediate armistice. The larger issues such as an ABM treaty that includes the CCP are important, but everything cannot wait on Xi becoming less enamoured of his colonial military might.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don’t believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security. I believe they think long term, so real steps in a positive direction might be enough, but who knows. I am familiar with the points you made, but I think you are underestimating the Russian concern level. They did not make the Poseidon weapon because they think the US is “reasonable”. It is a weapon meant to deal with an unreasonable adversary. The Burevestnik may have a similar psychological purpose.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I’m not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like “low hanging fruit” for negotiators. I agree any tribunal is probably not implemented through the ICC, which is probably unsalvageable from Russia’s perspective. Maybe the USA would play a role by extraditing some Bandera-types who thought they were safe and sound.

    In terms of the big picture this is similar to NSII. The players will be happy to trot out experts explaining your Sluggo theory even if it is not the cause of the explosions. Better to restart the pipe and no one has to take the blame. Behind the scenes Russia pressures the West with evidence of the Western demolition to get a very good deal to cover their troubles. On the other hand, the West might make Ukraine the fall guy for NSII since they will not have any money to lose to Russia.

    I think Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn’t seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don’t believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security.
     
    I concur that Russia concerns need to be accommodated.

    However, INF and ABM are not coming back. Does everything has to stay on hold until there is a huge multiparty deal that includes many European nations? And, the U.S. will not sign anything that allows China to make strategic gains. So, odds are this would be a global treaty not a regional one.

    Some other method must be found. It is a tricky proposition.

    France and Germany are rapidly sliding towards oblivion. Moving the U.S. center of action to the Visegrád 4 is necessary as these are the most reliable allies in the region. The goal is not encroaching on Russia. It is about protecting the Western border of Poland when the EU self destructs. But, from a Russian perspective, the appearance of that necessary shift does not look favourable.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I’m not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like “low hanging fruit” for negotiators.
     
    If it could be packaged as Ukraine cleaning up its own house (with external support), perhaps that could sell. International tribunals are perceived as winners punishing losers, so that structure will not fly in a negotiated deal.

    Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn’t seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.
     
    Türkiye will continue in NATO. The question is, "How long will NATO continue?"

    Any deal on Syria will have to exclude a Turkish presence in Syria. Iran and its proxies will also have to be totally excluded. A verifiable Iranian exit would allow U.S. forces to depart. However, both Turkey & America will come back if Iran and its proxies reappear. Iranian zealotry turned Lebanon into a failed state. Khamenei cannot be allowed to inflict the same pain on Syria.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Matra

  606. @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Well yeah, I have to agree with you on that. But some people are born to be warriors and others to be thinkers. The combination of both is rare. That is why it is precious. Anatoly is a thinker first and foremost. And once the current crisis is behind us and the dust is settled down, I look forward to his great achievements in the intellectual fields related to his central interests and concerns. BTW, you have probably noticed that I have a great deal of respect for your way of seeing things, but you are sometimes a bit maximalist. Of course it happens to the best of us. But life is shades of gray, not a sharp black and white picture.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    I’m amazed by your credulity. If Johnson all the sudden switched teams and starts shilling for Putin would you take him at his word? That’s the caliber of aboutface we’ve seen with Karlin. He’s also started a Substack which he flaked out on.

    That said, his Sinotriumphalist clickbaits circa 2019 were what partly brought me here as commenter.

    Separately, if Russia’s future is to pivot East, its better to get to know more than only China– but Japan and SK as well.

    It came upon me that Fields Medalist Maxim Kontsevich’s father is a renown expert on Koreanistik, a field which Russia seems to be a leader in

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корееведение

    The Japanese-American actor in Rising Sun and Mortal Kombat, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, converted to Orthodox and Russian citizenship. I can’t think of a Chinese ethnic who’s done the same.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Yeah I am quite gullible by nature. I always prefer seeing the best in all people and all things. And I feel fine that way. Why being angry when one can be happy and relaxed ?

    https://www.karusel-tv.ru/media/suit/preview_full/media/image/2020/03/1584048829690560_24_14297927121.jpg

    Now, more seriously the Orthodox Church of Japan has an interesting history.

    https://cnewa.org/eastern-christian-churches/orthodox-church/autonomous-churches/orthodox-church-of-japan/

    https://ak-d.tripcdn.com/images/100t0o000000ey0ma56BC.jpg

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The movie looks interesting. Thanks.

  607. @LatW
    @LatW

    It's just too funny... LOL

    To hit Kyiv with a barrage of Kinzhals, to send all the troops into a small area in southern Ukraine, but to leave the actual border completely open... Belgorod to Moscow is 600kms, Bryansk to Moscow 400kms. What does it look like there? Is the road fully open?

    I guess at least Rosgvardia is at home.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Any chance this is made up, as a Russian false-flag to build up emotional support for heavier strikes in Ukraine? This might be important because Western media may run civilian casualty porn at a horrifying level we have never seen before.

    The drone strike on the Kremlin was also very strange. It makes the Kremlins look retarded, but also generates genuine rage which can be channeled.

    This psychwar will happen anyway, so it doesn’t matter if it was real or false flag from that perspective. Obviously is a great morale builder for many Ukrainians.

  608. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    border zone in Belgorod oblast’ feels like
     
    Actually, they are operating under the slogan which is even older than this song - Отбоя не было, добудем Родину! It's from 1917.

    This is a very creative raid. With relatively minimal resources the idea is to de-sacralize Putin and to show there are Russians who want freedom from his neo-Bolshevik government and that they are willing and able to fight for it with something more than just white ribbons.

    And to think that this is the second time they do it (first time was in Bryansk - after which the mayor of Bryansk took out some old fashioned gear). Hopefully, they don't hurt innocents.


    Я х☆ею с этих олухов.
     
    I know, too funny. In their defense though it can be said that nobody was going to ever attack Matushka in her RF borders and they most definitely must have known this, so they couldn't bother preparing anything. It was safe the whole time, until they decided to go on their extraterritorial escapade. A bigger облом is hard to fathom.

    Replies: @LatW, @Ivashka the fool

    A bigger облом is hard to fathom

    Indeed.

    LOL

    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters. That’s adding insult to injury. And there is nothing they can do because they don’t want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime. These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits. They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn’t want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.

    As the Russian saying goes, Punya and his crew are молодец против овец, а на молодца и сам овца…

    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters.
     
    They must be quite skillful (Ceasar is former military). Haha. They are so bad. :)

    And there is nothing they can do because they don’t want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime.
     

    Yes, it's a lot of people, and to give them weapons would be very dangerous, it's only a question how big this fraction would be. It might be bigger than I had thought. And when people see this kind of activity and gestures from the armed resistance, they will get more emboldened.

    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits.
     
    So true. They'll be dealing with real men now. And hopefully they will release the guy who got a 7 year sentence for writing a note.

    They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn’t want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.
     

    Well, they themselves created this situation, the more you pressure, the more people dislike it. The Nat Dems had a natural niche (not a huge one, but a stable one) - they could've stayed in that niche with ethno nats not having any say whatsoever (except on Telegram). Now they will deal with the ethno nats.

    My worry though is that the fight will be between Ethno nats / White Blue Whites and Rosgvardia. That wouldn't be that great, frankly. Could be wasteful of manpower. But we'll see.


    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.
     
    As the РДК affiliated partisan said, "something that has never happened before in Russia". These guys know.

    Hopefully, innocents won't be hurt.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool


    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students,
     
    Isn't Quran burning free speech, regardless of just how offensive it is? At least in Western countries?

    I mean, if it's fair game to burn the Torah and Bible, why not the Quran as well? Though Yes, unfortunately it is indeed quite tragic that radical Muslims are likely to try murdering people who burn the Quran. That's the cost of having radical Muslims in countries with free speech; they try to silence you by murdering you. :(

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  609. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm amazed by your credulity. If Johnson all the sudden switched teams and starts shilling for Putin would you take him at his word? That's the caliber of aboutface we've seen with Karlin. He's also started a Substack which he flaked out on.

    That said, his Sinotriumphalist clickbaits circa 2019 were what partly brought me here as commenter.

    Separately, if Russia's future is to pivot East, its better to get to know more than only China-- but Japan and SK as well.

    It came upon me that Fields Medalist Maxim Kontsevich's father is a renown expert on Koreanistik, a field which Russia seems to be a leader in

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корееведение

    The Japanese-American actor in Rising Sun and Mortal Kombat, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, converted to Orthodox and Russian citizenship. I can't think of a Chinese ethnic who's done the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2XSgeM7LQ

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    Yeah I am quite gullible by nature. I always prefer seeing the best in all people and all things. And I feel fine that way. Why being angry when one can be happy and relaxed ?

    Now, more seriously the Orthodox Church of Japan has an interesting history.

    https://cnewa.org/eastern-christian-churches/orthodox-church/autonomous-churches/orthodox-church-of-japan/

  610. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm amazed by your credulity. If Johnson all the sudden switched teams and starts shilling for Putin would you take him at his word? That's the caliber of aboutface we've seen with Karlin. He's also started a Substack which he flaked out on.

    That said, his Sinotriumphalist clickbaits circa 2019 were what partly brought me here as commenter.

    Separately, if Russia's future is to pivot East, its better to get to know more than only China-- but Japan and SK as well.

    It came upon me that Fields Medalist Maxim Kontsevich's father is a renown expert on Koreanistik, a field which Russia seems to be a leader in

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Корееведение

    The Japanese-American actor in Rising Sun and Mortal Kombat, Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, converted to Orthodox and Russian citizenship. I can't think of a Chinese ethnic who's done the same.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ2XSgeM7LQ

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Ivashka the fool

    The movie looks interesting. Thanks.

  611. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    A bigger облом is hard to fathom
     
    Indeed.

    LOL

    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters. That's adding insult to injury. And there is nothing they can do because they don't want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime. These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits. They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn't want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.

    As the Russian saying goes, Punya and his crew are молодец против овец, а на молодца и сам овца...

    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters.

    They must be quite skillful (Ceasar is former military). Haha. They are so bad. 🙂

    And there is nothing they can do because they don’t want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime.

    Yes, it’s a lot of people, and to give them weapons would be very dangerous, it’s only a question how big this fraction would be. It might be bigger than I had thought. And when people see this kind of activity and gestures from the armed resistance, they will get more emboldened.

    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits.

    So true. They’ll be dealing with real men now. And hopefully they will release the guy who got a 7 year sentence for writing a note.

    They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn’t want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.

    Well, they themselves created this situation, the more you pressure, the more people dislike it. The Nat Dems had a natural niche (not a huge one, but a stable one) – they could’ve stayed in that niche with ethno nats not having any say whatsoever (except on Telegram). Now they will deal with the ethno nats.

    My worry though is that the fight will be between Ethno nats / White Blue Whites and Rosgvardia. That wouldn’t be that great, frankly. Could be wasteful of manpower. But we’ll see.

    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.

    As the РДК affiliated partisan said, “something that has never happened before in Russia”. These guys know.

    Hopefully, innocents won’t be hurt.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    Hopefully, innocents won’t be hurt
     
    Unfortunately there will be innocent victims. War is a disgusting affair and revolution worse still.
  612. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    But there are a lot more stereotypical anglomaniac places near there. I would say London doesn’t have much of the romantic or glamorous old English atmosphere.

     

    You seem to be an expert-level tourist.

    Admittedly, I am a touristic pleb. I've been to France and England a billion times now, but only a single time have I ventured outside the confines of the capitals. Even in Egypt, a trip to the countryside is a Shackeltonian expedition for me.

    I am most comfortable around density. My city-dwelling Cairene genes have overpowered the Bedouin ones.

    Never been to Germany, but if I went, I'd probably stick around Berlin. I am typically most interested in museums, galleries, cathedrals and classical concerts. I'm sure there are some interesting ones outside the capitals, but the best ones would tend to be in the major cities, no?

    most of the anglomaniacs in the world seem to think London is somekind of anglophiles’ Vatican.

     

    There are some nice parts in London which give strong "Anglo" vibes, like the neighborhood in Kensington I stayed in during my previous visit. The housing units tend to be smaller (3-4 stories), and made uniformly out of red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called "gentle density" areas.

    But I think you're right the authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside. When I went to the event in Surrey, I felt as though I was entering Narnia-land. A sharp contrast with cosmopolitan London. I hear the French countryside is pretty quaint too, though i've never been.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.

    https://www.worldfinance.com/strategy/egypts-economic-woes

    “Egypt’s economy is one of the most vulnerable to the war in Ukraine given its position as a net commodity importer. This has left the country more at risk of the large swings in commodity prices and has exacerbated strains in the balance of payments that were already present following the pandemic,” explains James Swanston, MENA Economist at the UK-based Capital Economics.

    Apart from ripple effects emanating from a weakening currency, poverty is on the rise. Roughly a third of Egypt’s 104 million population live in poverty. The country’s plight is worsened by debt, a huge chunk of which Kaldas contends has been accumulated by borrowing to finance unnecessary vanity projects as well as excessive arms imports. “The government needs to be much more prudent about its spending priorities and subject any new project to a credible and well-studied cost benefit analysis that shows such spending is worthwhile,” he notes.

    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.

    “A weak private sector is the last thing Egypt needs, not when the country is witnessing an unprecedented surge in birth rate. In February 2020, the country’s population crossed the 100 million mark. Since then, Egypt has been adding a million people to its population every 240 days on average.

    Probability of being re-incarnated in Egypt is higher than some other countries.

    red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called “gentle density” areas.

    They were building the best bourgeois residential systems in the world in this epoch of the 18th century and 19th century.

    I guess those Brooklyn houses have influence from English architecture. In New York, those kind of houses seem often the most attractive houses in my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.

    In comparison to other European culture, you can usually see influence in this architecture of the anglosaxon civilization, with focus on the personal autonomy, balance between public and private space etc.

    authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside.

    These areas also had a lot of money for the building, compared to some other countries.

    You know Dublin has a similar style, but generally noncreative and boring architecture compared to other cities of the region.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.
     
    Yes I touched upon these points in my long post a few threads back.

    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.
     
    It gets even worse.

    Total number of babies born annually in Egypt: 1.89 million

    Total number of babies born annually in the EU: 4.09 million

    Total number of babies born annually in Nigeria: 7 million

    ———

    Fare ye well, Europa.

    https://youtu.be/ht-GwA7UV20

    Replies: @Dmitry

  613. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters.
     
    They must be quite skillful (Ceasar is former military). Haha. They are so bad. :)

    And there is nothing they can do because they don’t want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime.
     

    Yes, it's a lot of people, and to give them weapons would be very dangerous, it's only a question how big this fraction would be. It might be bigger than I had thought. And when people see this kind of activity and gestures from the armed resistance, they will get more emboldened.

    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits.
     
    So true. They'll be dealing with real men now. And hopefully they will release the guy who got a 7 year sentence for writing a note.

    They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn’t want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.
     

    Well, they themselves created this situation, the more you pressure, the more people dislike it. The Nat Dems had a natural niche (not a huge one, but a stable one) - they could've stayed in that niche with ethno nats not having any say whatsoever (except on Telegram). Now they will deal with the ethno nats.

    My worry though is that the fight will be between Ethno nats / White Blue Whites and Rosgvardia. That wouldn't be that great, frankly. Could be wasteful of manpower. But we'll see.


    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.
     
    As the РДК affiliated partisan said, "something that has never happened before in Russia". These guys know.

    Hopefully, innocents won't be hurt.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Hopefully, innocents won’t be hurt

    Unfortunately there will be innocent victims. War is a disgusting affair and revolution worse still.

  614. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. XYZ

    And if Hitler had been Gitler (that’s how Slavs often pronounced the name) we could all be making sly jokes about the soft G H problem of Ukies obsession with language distinctions. “What a git he was!” “Sod that git the boys go wild for rescuing Jews”

    Putler sounds like a specialist golf club.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  615. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    plus possibly a few other regions (Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, maybe one or two more).
     
    Wow, very modest.
    You always go on about the emerging multi-polar world order. I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Anatoly Karlin once said that North Korea’s opinion on the annexation question (it’s the only country in the world that has actually recognized Russia’s 2022 annexations of additional Ukrainian territory) is worth more than that of dozens of countries because of just how based North Korea is lol.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. XYZ

    Hey, if MemeLords on Twitter say it is so, then I guess it just must be so!

    Reality must conform! Best Chad Korea ascendent!

  616. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    A bigger облом is hard to fathom
     
    Indeed.

    LOL

    The White Blue White team supposedly used drones to attack the local MVD and FSB headquarters. That's adding insult to injury. And there is nothing they can do because they don't want to arm the locals for fear that sooner or later these arms would be turned against the Noviop regime. These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students, local hipster peaceniks and other LGBTQ misfits. They pressured the Nat Dems for two decades and didn't want to allow them anywhere near power centers, now it is Ethno Nats that they will have to deal with.

    As the Russian saying goes, Punya and his crew are молодец против овец, а на молодца и сам овца...

    2024 gonna be amazing in RusFed.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. XYZ

    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students,

    Isn’t Quran burning free speech, regardless of just how offensive it is? At least in Western countries?

    I mean, if it’s fair game to burn the Torah and Bible, why not the Quran as well? Though Yes, unfortunately it is indeed quite tragic that radical Muslims are likely to try murdering people who burn the Quran. That’s the cost of having radical Muslims in countries with free speech; they try to silence you by murdering you. 🙁

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    fair game to burn the Torah
     
    Where?

    When?

    Don't play it dumb Shlomo, you know perfectly well that the ADL will eat alive anyone who desecrates the Torah and/or the Talmud and would decree this eating a Goy alive kosher and halachic.

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book. Both are Abrahamic maniacs. A plague on both your houses. I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we - normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations to something that makes more sense and is more open-minded.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

  617. Hitler had the same Y haplogroup as a lineage of Chassidic Rabbis and Einstein. Hitler’s grandmother gave birth to her son Alois Schiklegruber out of wedlock.

    https://sites.google.com/view/ashkenazi-y-dna-and-mtdna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-e-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

    Laveov mentioned Hitler’s Jewish roots about a year ago, only to receive an angry rebuke from Israeli government.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Hitler had the same Y haplogroup as a lineage of Chassidic Rabbis and Einstein. Hitler’s grandmother gave birth to her son Alois Schiklegruber out of wedlock.
     
    Polish nationalists of the 1930s considered Nazism to be a debased echo of Judaism. Koneczny claimed that Mein Kampf was an analogy of the Talmud, that the idea of "Chosen People" and collective predestination of the German ethnos was the result of the assimilation of Jewish values by Germans, he wrote "Hitler murders Jews but he thinks and feels in the Jewish manner."

    I am neither a fan of Polish nationalists of the interwar period, nor an antisemite, but they were onto something there.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  618. @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool


    These morons are only good to arrest the Qurʾān burning students,
     
    Isn't Quran burning free speech, regardless of just how offensive it is? At least in Western countries?

    I mean, if it's fair game to burn the Torah and Bible, why not the Quran as well? Though Yes, unfortunately it is indeed quite tragic that radical Muslims are likely to try murdering people who burn the Quran. That's the cost of having radical Muslims in countries with free speech; they try to silence you by murdering you. :(

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    fair game to burn the Torah

    Where?

    When?

    Don’t play it dumb Shlomo, you know perfectly well that the ADL will eat alive anyone who desecrates the Torah and/or the Talmud and would decree this eating a Goy alive kosher and halachic.

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book. Both are Abrahamic maniacs. A plague on both your houses. I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations to something that makes more sense and is more open-minded.

    • LOL: LatW, Yahya, A123
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    This quarter-Jew will likely defend one's right to burn the Torah and/or Talmud even if one is not Jewish:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Strossen

    I do wonder what the laws on this topic are in Israel, though.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I don’t want to miss up on another ethnic slug-fest.


    I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations
     
    Which normal people are you referring to?

    The people cooking each other’s heads in the fields of Ukraine?

    The ones bringing the world ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon, over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet - the Holy Land.

    Hardly anyone cared, much less heard of, Donetsk and Luhansk before this war erupted. Zero historical significance outside of Russia/Ukraine.

    But now multiple nuclear powers are being dragged into a petty territorial conflict between you Slavs. Several 3rd world countries are at risk of famine.

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool


    I always prefer seeing the best in all people and all things. And I feel fine that way. Why being angry when one can be happy and relaxed ?
     
    Ivashka goes from chill to kill, Yow!

    Everybody has their buttons!
  619. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @AP


    Ironically, Ukraine has a better historical claim on this region than it has in Crimea.
     
    Apparently a lot of pro-Ukrainians agree, this afternoon I saw the incredibly idiotic line "Bilhorod, not Belgorod" trending on Twitter.
    I understand the sentiments of Matra and Mikel perfectly. Ukraine is really pushing its luck with this kind of bs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    It’s attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is “bs?”

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what – 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don’t even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    • LOL: Yahya
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP

    Sometime I wish Utu was still in the forum, I need to him to propose the conspiracy theory that you and Beckow have been sharing an account.

    The "decaying West" , with the famous historical losers called "anglos", who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact, I'm sure our great-grandparents believed this.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya's parents buy a house in London and you live in New England.


    by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what – 44% native?
     
    They might be hateful of Mikel, only because he is critical of Ukraine, while they are the demographic which, are one of the world's most loving of Ukraine people, including to some extent even wealthy Russians of London who are organizing for the Ukrainian refugees.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.


    https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1609346879896145923

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    I agree with you in theory, but Russia has nukes. You don't think that an attack on internationally recognized Russian territory will trigger them?

    It's like if Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of China (likelihood--virtually zero, but hypothetical scenarios don't have to be realistic--at all) and China won the war and continued by attacking Vladivostok and the Russian Far East. You don't think that a Russia led by any government, even a liberal one, would respond to such a scenario by using nukes? (Ironically, I suspect that Russian liberals might if anything be more Sinophobic than Russian nationalists are.)

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia. Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee.
    Now the basic issue is pretty simple. NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe. It's not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who's the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they're a great power again. There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans, that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war. You always dodge this issue with nonsensical rationalizations (and a stunning sense of entitlement), like comparisons with gun ownership or other issues on the level of individuals, but it's still true.
    Now rationally I'm not even in favour of ending support for Ukraine. But I'm not going to pretend otherwise, emotionally I'm fed up with Ukraine and its unhinged, self-centred supporters. There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can't be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine's position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes. Like not supporting fringe characters like those "Free Russians" (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context) in an attempt to trigger internal unrest, maybe even civil war in the Russian Federation (like that would be a positive outcome, given Russia's arsenal of nuclear weapons), or whatever idiotic goal Ukraine's intelligence service is intending to achieve with such antics. As I wrote above, Ukraine and its supporters are pushing their luck with this kind of thing, and at some point it may run out.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn't start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.
     
    My people already have their own country. That's what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco - Pays Basque (Basque Country). I don't know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,... A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that's what turns you on.

    In fact, you're barking up the wrong tree here. Other that the Northern Irish, nobody in Western Europe has done more patriotic killing than my people in the past half of a century. Definitely not the Balts or the Poles either. The Lithuanians did put some corpses on the table but not nearly as many as we did.

    In any case, we've discussed this ad nauseam before. How much they're willing to sacrifice for state structures as opposed to actual self-governance is their decision to make. At least they haven't been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.
     
    I don't know what that has to do with anything but you're wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her. Her mother only speaks Spanish so I followed the old tradition of taking the responsibility of passing on the language to her. My American son doesn't speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US and may even become necessary, the way things are going. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned a lot of Ukrainian history on this blog thanks to your efforts. Khmelnitsky, Bandera and Skropadsky have become household names for all the regulars here but, to be honest, I don't want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous.
     
    Asking what's in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization and in all the meddling that preceded it may be off limits in most MSM (look what happened to Tucker) but you're not going to stamp out that conversation from this blog, no matter how hard you try. I don't think I've ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not). That's not the big problem. The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia's goal is to invade us as well. And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Btw, my disgust at Zelensky and his entourage doesn't mean that I'm unable to recognize his personal courage and his skills as a military leader, in spite of his clownish origins. The problem with Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro wasn't the lack of courage and leadership skills.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @John Johnson

  620. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    Hitler had the same Y haplogroup as a lineage of Chassidic Rabbis and Einstein. Hitler's grandmother gave birth to her son Alois Schiklegruber out of wedlock.

    https://sites.google.com/view/ashkenazi-y-dna-and-mtdna/y-dna-haplogroups-of-ashkenazi-jews/haplogroup-e-y-dna-clusters-for-ashkenazi-jews

    Laveov mentioned Hitler's Jewish roots about a year ago, only to receive an angry rebuke from Israeli government.

    Replies: @AP

    Hitler had the same Y haplogroup as a lineage of Chassidic Rabbis and Einstein. Hitler’s grandmother gave birth to her son Alois Schiklegruber out of wedlock.

    Polish nationalists of the 1930s considered Nazism to be a debased echo of Judaism. Koneczny claimed that Mein Kampf was an analogy of the Talmud, that the idea of “Chosen People” and collective predestination of the German ethnos was the result of the assimilation of Jewish values by Germans, he wrote “Hitler murders Jews but he thinks and feels in the Jewish manner.”

    I am neither a fan of Polish nationalists of the interwar period, nor an antisemite, but they were onto something there.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Right-wing Jews oppose intermarriage (like the Nazis did) and, in the West Bank, want Lebensraum at the expense of others (again, like the Nazis, but without the mass murder or even mass expulsions post-1949).

  621. No frozen conflict:

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikhail

    No reason for the Kremlin to agree to a frozen conflict, delusional thinking.

  622. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    fair game to burn the Torah
     
    Where?

    When?

    Don't play it dumb Shlomo, you know perfectly well that the ADL will eat alive anyone who desecrates the Torah and/or the Talmud and would decree this eating a Goy alive kosher and halachic.

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book. Both are Abrahamic maniacs. A plague on both your houses. I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we - normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations to something that makes more sense and is more open-minded.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    This quarter-Jew will likely defend one’s right to burn the Torah and/or Talmud even if one is not Jewish:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Strossen

    I do wonder what the laws on this topic are in Israel, though.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/28/bible.burning/index.html

    https://newdailycompass.com/en/forbidden-to-talk-about-jesus-shock-proposal-in-israel

    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.

    Nothing to add, ain't gonna discuss anything seriously with a pervert who enjoys teenage trannies and writing about but plugs.

    You should change your pseudonym from Mr XYZ to Mr LGBT...

    Replies: @A123

  623. @AP
    @German_reader

    It's attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is "bs?"

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what - 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don't even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Mikel

    Sometime I wish Utu was still in the forum, I need to him to propose the conspiracy theory that you and Beckow have been sharing an account.

    The “decaying West” , with the famous historical losers called “anglos”, who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact, I’m sure our great-grandparents believed this.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya’s parents buy a house in London and you live in New England.

    by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what – 44% native?

    They might be hateful of Mikel, only because he is critical of Ukraine, while they are the demographic which, are one of the world’s most loving of Ukraine people, including to some extent even wealthy Russians of London who are organizing for the Ukrainian refugees.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    The “decaying West” , with the famous historical losers called “anglos”, who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact
     
    At the moment they are burying themselves (hopefully they will wake up some day, as the Italians seem to be doing). But at least most of them support Ukrainians who are not burying themselves. That is better than nothing. There is something particularly offensive about the exceptions who do not.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya’s parents buy a house in London and you live in New England
     
    I was never specific about where I live, only said in the Northeast. Could be New England, or Westchester, or Catskills, or out on Long Island.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.

     

    I am grateful to them, who follow the British aristocrat Boris Johnson who was very strongly pro-Ukraine. Unlike the pathetic British leftist Jeremy Corbyn.

    Btw this captures the Northeast that I mentioned (New England but is also true of Westchester etc.):



    https://twitter.com/dagosupremacy/status/1657689484853428224?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Dmitry

  624. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Hitler had the same Y haplogroup as a lineage of Chassidic Rabbis and Einstein. Hitler’s grandmother gave birth to her son Alois Schiklegruber out of wedlock.
     
    Polish nationalists of the 1930s considered Nazism to be a debased echo of Judaism. Koneczny claimed that Mein Kampf was an analogy of the Talmud, that the idea of "Chosen People" and collective predestination of the German ethnos was the result of the assimilation of Jewish values by Germans, he wrote "Hitler murders Jews but he thinks and feels in the Jewish manner."

    I am neither a fan of Polish nationalists of the interwar period, nor an antisemite, but they were onto something there.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Right-wing Jews oppose intermarriage (like the Nazis did) and, in the West Bank, want Lebensraum at the expense of others (again, like the Nazis, but without the mass murder or even mass expulsions post-1949).

  625. @AP
    @German_reader

    It's attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is "bs?"

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what - 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don't even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Mikel

    I agree with you in theory, but Russia has nukes. You don’t think that an attack on internationally recognized Russian territory will trigger them?

    It’s like if Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of China (likelihood–virtually zero, but hypothetical scenarios don’t have to be realistic–at all) and China won the war and continued by attacking Vladivostok and the Russian Far East. You don’t think that a Russia led by any government, even a liberal one, would respond to such a scenario by using nukes? (Ironically, I suspect that Russian liberals might if anything be more Sinophobic than Russian nationalists are.)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. XYZ

    Collective Kremlin himself officially normalized all this roughly 8 months ago:


    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news, instead of being some extraordinary regular news flow stopping event like 9/11.

    This happened in a very large part thanx to nobody, but RF itself, which decided to formally annex the lands without controlling it and maybe stupidly hoping that gambling with nuclear hissing in advance would be enough to scare everybody away, but such hopes failed. So at least in theory now UA attacking Belgorod or Crimea (or maybe Japan attacking Kuril islands) is not really any different than fighting in Kherson or Liman and RF nuclear detterent threats are useless if being so often pronounced that it became misused.
     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5599569

    Replies: @LatW

  626. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.

    https://www.worldfinance.com/strategy/egypts-economic-woes



    “Egypt’s economy is one of the most vulnerable to the war in Ukraine given its position as a net commodity importer. This has left the country more at risk of the large swings in commodity prices and has exacerbated strains in the balance of payments that were already present following the pandemic,” explains James Swanston, MENA Economist at the UK-based Capital Economics.

    -


    Apart from ripple effects emanating from a weakening currency, poverty is on the rise. Roughly a third of Egypt’s 104 million population live in poverty. The country’s plight is worsened by debt, a huge chunk of which Kaldas contends has been accumulated by borrowing to finance unnecessary vanity projects as well as excessive arms imports. “The government needs to be much more prudent about its spending priorities and subject any new project to a credible and well-studied cost benefit analysis that shows such spending is worthwhile,” he notes.
     
    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.

    "A weak private sector is the last thing Egypt needs, not when the country is witnessing an unprecedented surge in birth rate. In February 2020, the country’s population crossed the 100 million mark. Since then, Egypt has been adding a million people to its population every 240 days on average."

     

    Probability of being re-incarnated in Egypt is higher than some other countries.

    red brick. I think these types of neighborhoods are called “gentle density” areas.

     

    They were building the best bourgeois residential systems in the world in this epoch of the 18th century and 19th century.

    I guess those Brooklyn houses have influence from English architecture. In New York, those kind of houses seem often the most attractive houses in my opinion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z76MiQv0zg.

    In comparison to other European culture, you can usually see influence in this architecture of the anglosaxon civilization, with focus on the personal autonomy, balance between public and private space etc.

    authentic England lies outside in the suburbs and countryside.
     
    These areas also had a lot of money for the building, compared to some other countries.

    You know Dublin has a similar style, but generally noncreative and boring architecture compared to other cities of the region.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.

    Yes I touched upon these points in my long post a few threads back.

    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.

    It gets even worse.

    Total number of babies born annually in Egypt: 1.89 million

    Total number of babies born annually in the EU: 4.09 million

    Total number of babies born annually in Nigeria: 7 million

    ———

    Fare ye well, Europa.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Btw return to topic of Egypt.

    Arab culture is stereo-typically mix of aristocrat/feudal and redneck, anti-intellectual.

    The elite model, is sitting in palace eating dates, occasionally going outside the palace to sacrifice a camel or kill someone who insulted your honor by looking at your sister.

    So, this model for development, waiting for your magic carpets to solve the traffic in Cairo, or "genetic engineering" to create a hi-tech industry, is a kind of matching too conveniently the romantic stereotypes.

    However, how will you explain India. Indians are one of the most nerdy cultures in history. Today, Indian employees are rapidly "plug and play" in the most advanced "fourth industrial revolution" sectors. While, Indian cities are often more of a chaos than anywhere in Africa, including not only Cairo, also Nigeria etc.

    The "plug and play" aspect of the Indian employees is especially funny, because they "plug and play" directly from the third world not to lower class of the first world, but it's future industries. They are "plug and play" from chaos of Mumbai slums, to Harvard or Menlo Park.

    There is the explanation for such complex systems like national development can only have some small understanding with the thousand variables of the historian, not some theories about the kind of puzzle test results to explain the development of the countries.

    -

    When I young in the classroom, I never expected I would need to explain our scores in the school test, was not relevant explaining the forces of history which somehow created the childhood in the trash can of history. Especially as the Soviet Union had went to the trashcan with some of the best teaching in the world for technical areas.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

  627. France&England scheming together again – that’s all folks!

  628. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    fair game to burn the Torah
     
    Where?

    When?

    Don't play it dumb Shlomo, you know perfectly well that the ADL will eat alive anyone who desecrates the Torah and/or the Talmud and would decree this eating a Goy alive kosher and halachic.

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book. Both are Abrahamic maniacs. A plague on both your houses. I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we - normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations to something that makes more sense and is more open-minded.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    Well, I don’t want to miss up on another ethnic slug-fest.

    I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations

    Which normal people are you referring to?

    The people cooking each other’s heads in the fields of Ukraine?

    The ones bringing the world ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon, over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet – the Holy Land.

    Hardly anyone cared, much less heard of, Donetsk and Luhansk before this war erupted. Zero historical significance outside of Russia/Ukraine.

    But now multiple nuclear powers are being dragged into a petty territorial conflict between you Slavs. Several 3rd world countries are at risk of famine.

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Yahya

    Talk about blaming the victims. Iago ain't in it.

    "over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?"

    You mean the areas that provided most of Ukraine's GDP?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    Crimea is "Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier Number 1" for Russia. Donbass is the land bridge toward that asset. Plenty of people know all about it and have done so since very ancient times like the Hellenic Bosporan Kingdom entered history.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book.
     
    I don't think you are either, are you ?

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?
     
    Normal people are all that people that make efforts to foster peace.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/jewish-muslim-friendship-in-middle-east-helps-us-stand-together-opinion-665916

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet – the Holy Land.
     
    It's a sand box ignored by half of humans living on the planet.

    That's a sacred place below:

    https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-87536736,width-748,height-499,resizemode=4,imgsize-110998/Kailash-stays-undefeated.jpg

    And unlike the Semitic sanctuaries, it is not man made...

    Replies: @Yahya

  629. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Why would they need caste? Outside of the Indus was hunter-gatherers. Low population density. Ganges was hunter-gatherers, IIRC.

    Only makes sense if you are invading an agricultural civilization.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Because of nigger hatred. IVC ranged from 10-90% Abo with an average of 35.

    • LOL: songbird
  630. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    I agree with you in theory, but Russia has nukes. You don't think that an attack on internationally recognized Russian territory will trigger them?

    It's like if Russia launched an unprovoked invasion of China (likelihood--virtually zero, but hypothetical scenarios don't have to be realistic--at all) and China won the war and continued by attacking Vladivostok and the Russian Far East. You don't think that a Russia led by any government, even a liberal one, would respond to such a scenario by using nukes? (Ironically, I suspect that Russian liberals might if anything be more Sinophobic than Russian nationalists are.)

    Replies: @sudden death

    Collective Kremlin himself officially normalized all this roughly 8 months ago:

    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news, instead of being some extraordinary regular news flow stopping event like 9/11.

    This happened in a very large part thanx to nobody, but RF itself, which decided to formally annex the lands without controlling it and maybe stupidly hoping that gambling with nuclear hissing in advance would be enough to scare everybody away, but such hopes failed. So at least in theory now UA attacking Belgorod or Crimea (or maybe Japan attacking Kuril islands) is not really any different than fighting in Kherson or Liman and RF nuclear detterent threats are useless if being so often pronounced that it became misused.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5599569

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @LatW
    @sudden death


    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news
     
    That's right, it's actually quite remarkable and it happened already a while ago (even before Bryansk and Belgorod), there were explosions on Crimea and, of course, they do not control fully the territories that they have annexed. They have created a problem for themselves legally and militarily.

    What is even more remarkable is how quietly it has been accepted. But these are laws of Nature, when you start this kind of activity, it can go either way. It can go far in either direction.

    But for these Western skeptics here the issue is something else - even if this big shift in reality has happened, they still wonder at what point someone in RusFed will snap and decide to use the proverbial nukes. I don't think they are mentally adjusted to this fluid situation. With each further step, as things unravel and move ahead into more and more chaos and bolder actions, they will keep guessing when is that fatal moment. Are there red lines? There have got to be! This is how they think. It's understandable given how unusual the situation has become.

    Btw, some news came out on Ukrainian live streams that there were in fact nuclear heads in Belgorod that the Russian side removed in haste. Hard to say if it's true (but if it is true, then it is smart, better move those away from the chaos).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

  631. LatW says:
    @sudden death
    @Mr. XYZ

    Collective Kremlin himself officially normalized all this roughly 8 months ago:


    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news, instead of being some extraordinary regular news flow stopping event like 9/11.

    This happened in a very large part thanx to nobody, but RF itself, which decided to formally annex the lands without controlling it and maybe stupidly hoping that gambling with nuclear hissing in advance would be enough to scare everybody away, but such hopes failed. So at least in theory now UA attacking Belgorod or Crimea (or maybe Japan attacking Kuril islands) is not really any different than fighting in Kherson or Liman and RF nuclear detterent threats are useless if being so often pronounced that it became misused.
     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-199/#comment-5599569

    Replies: @LatW

    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news

    That’s right, it’s actually quite remarkable and it happened already a while ago (even before Bryansk and Belgorod), there were explosions on Crimea and, of course, they do not control fully the territories that they have annexed. They have created a problem for themselves legally and militarily.

    What is even more remarkable is how quietly it has been accepted. But these are laws of Nature, when you start this kind of activity, it can go either way. It can go far in either direction.

    But for these Western skeptics here the issue is something else – even if this big shift in reality has happened, they still wonder at what point someone in RusFed will snap and decide to use the proverbial nukes. I don’t think they are mentally adjusted to this fluid situation. With each further step, as things unravel and move ahead into more and more chaos and bolder actions, they will keep guessing when is that fatal moment. Are there red lines? There have got to be! This is how they think. It’s understandable given how unusual the situation has become.

    Btw, some news came out on Ukrainian live streams that there were in fact nuclear heads in Belgorod that the Russian side removed in haste. Hard to say if it’s true (but if it is true, then it is smart, better move those away from the chaos).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    I'm not sure it's so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences. Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014. This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.

    As for the precedent of fighting in Russia, I'm not sure it feels so unusual, if you remember until about 2012, there was regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.
    -

    Btw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoXPUHOqWdE

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    The combined economic weight of Russia and China is enough to brazen this out. In Peking "Beijing", someone somewhere is prepping to do something to someone somewhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NLV24qTnlg


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyEJZ9yODB8

  632. …Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area.

    It doesn’t work in 2023. More likely, Poland w Nato would try to create a Galicia-Plus ally centered on Lviv – a separate, fully dependent quasi-country. It will not work in the long run: hard-core Galicians are too stupid and ambitious: they want it all and then emigrate or mismanage everything.

    There will be Ukraine (or few of them) after the war but it is heading toward a regional model. To create a unified Ukraine required patience, tolerance of ethnic sub-groups, gradually building up the economy, and 1-2 generations.

    Maidan shortcut the process and effectively killed Ukraine – we are going through the consequences: angry regional groups, pretend “unity”, lots of blood, massive foreign meddling – but in their hearts they all know that it can’t be put back together.

    It is a pity, it could have been a great European country – if they had patience and a sense of humor. And didn’t pathetically beg to be in “Europe” – if you have to constantly scream “we are Europeans!!!!“, you are really not.

    Come to think, maybe Putin did organize Maidan, a savvy way to destroy a potential rival. Only a well-trained, patient guy could pull it off…with help from a lot of morons.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Nowadays pretty much of all Ukraine is a giant Galicia as a result of the current war. Seriously.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWx53-AgqgQ&list=PLBA3ijso0hT26JDeUbJfq3V9CrpBXsP6R&index=10&ab_channel=TalesoftheAmericanEmpire

    Carlton Meyer comments elsewhere on this website. He is clever as Unz and also succinct.

  633. @Mikhail
    No frozen conflict:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWL3hgjKGHI

    Replies: @LondonBob

    No reason for the Kremlin to agree to a frozen conflict, delusional thinking.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  634. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …the right became infected with the Randin virus in the 70s.
     
    That gives the poor wretched witch too much credit. The business desire for the cheapest possible labor is eternal – they don’t need a virus, only a calculator. It goes away for a while when checked by popular anger, then it comes back.

    It is true that the business right has always wanted cheap labor. But they were once kept in check by a cultural right. There was a much better balance until Rand came along. I've never come across any pre-Rand articles by conservatives that argue for open borders. If Operation Wetback was ordered today we would see protests by White male libertarians. These are the same Whites that decry the "militarization of the police" which really means police using AR-15s and body armor because the Democrats have decided to let Blacks go wild. No one complains about the "militarization of the police" in Wyoming. You will see state troopers there still using revolvers. It's total libertarian race denial.

    BBut what infected the Western left? It is incomprehensible from their point of view, how did they lose the reason for their political existence? I suppose the answer is some combination of feminism, ecumenism, anti-“racism”

    We have talked about this quite a bit. Yes at some point the Western left favored third world immigration over labor interests. It completely goes against what they were supposed to stand for which is the working class.

    The left at some point became anti-White. That is the crux of it. They decided that White people were the main problem and couldn't accept a world where democratic-left White nations are clearly more advanced even if the workers were well supported. The left is motivated by bitterness and resentment. Outspoken labor-left activists are extremely rare. They eventually get talked into an anti-White/pro-degeneracy platform. The underlying cause is an interesting topic but I'm not sure how much it matters. Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics. Even if they start out as labor focused the colleges convert them into wokesters.

    I've pointed out to leftists that open borders favors cheap labor. Most have been indoctrinated into supporting open borders even if they can't explain why. They really have no response and just mumble about racism.

    I really see little hope for leftists. The independent and labor minded ones are completely outnumbered and outplayed. I can be hard on libertarians in part because I believe a lot of the White men that have been duped by Rand can be useful. As a movement it attracts anti-leftists. It lulls rational Whites through its anti-liberal message but it is just as destructive and globalist. Moderate Democrats do not want open borders but libertarians would not only tear down the fences on the border but would also allow millions of Africans to come by boat and stay.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    I agree (see, you and I can agree on something …:).

    …Leftists today seem unable to comprehend a labor movement that is separate from race and gender politics.

    The gender part is more important (or was at the beginning). Something had to be done about the women status as it used to be – but what was done fixed a few issues and created a huge number of new ones: e.g. massive number of women in the white collar office jobs actually lowers productivity, they become the process-heavy unmovable chair-warmers (check out the governments all around feminized world).

    It also destroyed family formation among people who should carry on the native culture. That’s where the racial-migrant issue comes in – as a substitute that eventually became worshipped. It is all so thoroughly f..ed up now that only the high living standards are keeping it afloat. God help if that ends – the Western societies are not coherent enough to handle a drop in living standards.

  635. @LatW
    @sudden death


    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news
     
    That's right, it's actually quite remarkable and it happened already a while ago (even before Bryansk and Belgorod), there were explosions on Crimea and, of course, they do not control fully the territories that they have annexed. They have created a problem for themselves legally and militarily.

    What is even more remarkable is how quietly it has been accepted. But these are laws of Nature, when you start this kind of activity, it can go either way. It can go far in either direction.

    But for these Western skeptics here the issue is something else - even if this big shift in reality has happened, they still wonder at what point someone in RusFed will snap and decide to use the proverbial nukes. I don't think they are mentally adjusted to this fluid situation. With each further step, as things unravel and move ahead into more and more chaos and bolder actions, they will keep guessing when is that fatal moment. Are there red lines? There have got to be! This is how they think. It's understandable given how unusual the situation has become.

    Btw, some news came out on Ukrainian live streams that there were in fact nuclear heads in Belgorod that the Russian side removed in haste. Hard to say if it's true (but if it is true, then it is smart, better move those away from the chaos).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    I’m not sure it’s so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences. Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014. This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.

    As for the precedent of fighting in Russia, I’m not sure it feels so unusual, if you remember until about 2012, there was regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.

    Btw

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I’m not sure it’s so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences.
     
    Well, previously there were very loose and relaxed borders (except for a few minor border treaty disputes and those cases were there was conflict, such as Azeri-Armenian, it's a large space so let's just stick with the European part for now). There was no real need for "secured border fences", that only appeared in 2014 and later during the artificially engineered refugee crisis on the Belarusian border with Lithuania & Poland. There was no need to be on alert (seemingly).

    Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014.
     
    Yes, but they are not combatants from a country that you are at war with. Or as Russians call Ukraine now (and other European countries) вражеское государство - a hostile state (or country). :(

    This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.
     
    Well, that was exactly my point. That it can go both ways. That one thinks he can walk into another country in order to commit violent crime there or pretend like he owns something there and do this with impunity and without fear of slightest punishment... that is a phenomenon. Not a new one.

    Under normal natural circumstances, such things typically are not allowed to fester or even take place, if a country or a tribe has any self-respect. Once they have capacity to withstand such disrespect and transgressions, they will. So the Russian military can "walk into Ukraine" and murder Ukraine's sons, then the same can happen to Russia. I don't get why people find this shocking, when Dmytro Yarosh acknowledged this even before the war began (when he said "this will be a total war")! These psychological barriers will be overcome. Is it good? No, but it's the reality.


    regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.
     
    Those are low grade insurgencies (although they were quite serious, since they took up a lot of resources from the special forces units, it was constant work that was quite dangerous in fact). That's different. Those are technically Russian subjects (but it's still telling that they were fighting). This is different - this is military hardware coming in from the territory of a "hostile state". That hasn't taken place since 1944 or so.

    Btw
     
    Sigh... well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can. You know, under normal circumstances, I couldn't care less, who lives where or who sleeps with who or what citizenship they choose to have for their kids. It really wouldn't matter at all if it wasn't for the dead Ukrainian girls in the rubble and the destroyed cities. That these scum can live in luxury while propagating and waging a war on innocent populations... it's beyond vile...

    On the other hand... it's probably exactly this kind of complacency, not caring what these elites do or that they are completely out of control, that led to all this... Elites must be held to very high standards, post-Soviet elites probably in particular. Until they learn.

    This report is well done, btw. Quite professional (assuming it's accurate which it seems it is). These reports are good, but they are too light. Armed men need to fix this.

    Nevertheless... He needs to be released and soon. He needs to summon all his strength and just hang in there, freedom is coming. But he will be a shadow of the man he once was when he comes out... :(

    Replies: @Dmitry

  636. @Beckow

    ...Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area.
     
    It doesn't work in 2023. More likely, Poland w Nato would try to create a Galicia-Plus ally centered on Lviv - a separate, fully dependent quasi-country. It will not work in the long run: hard-core Galicians are too stupid and ambitious: they want it all and then emigrate or mismanage everything.

    There will be Ukraine (or few of them) after the war but it is heading toward a regional model. To create a unified Ukraine required patience, tolerance of ethnic sub-groups, gradually building up the economy, and 1-2 generations.

    Maidan shortcut the process and effectively killed Ukraine - we are going through the consequences: angry regional groups, pretend "unity", lots of blood, massive foreign meddling - but in their hearts they all know that it can't be put back together.

    It is a pity, it could have been a great European country - if they had patience and a sense of humor. And didn't pathetically beg to be in "Europe" - if you have to constantly scream "we are Europeans!!!!", you are really not.

    Come to think, maybe Putin did organize Maidan, a savvy way to destroy a potential rival. Only a well-trained, patient guy could pull it off...with help from a lot of morons.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Nowadays pretty much of all Ukraine is a giant Galicia as a result of the current war. Seriously.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Seriously, not; emotions during a war are skin-deep. It takes a long time to change one's identity - Kharkov or Odessa will not march to Banderism. Even Kiev most likely won't...

    Replies: @AP

  637. The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:

    Qatar has been of crucial importance for Europe, since in the past year “a large part of theRussian gas missing from the European economy has been replaced by LNG from thatcountry”, Viktor Orbán said in a video published on Facebook on Monday.
    The prime minister announced that Hungary would also buy gas from Qatar in future.
    Orbán arrived in Doha on an offi cial visit on Sunday. In his video, he said he had had “long,exhausting and successful talks” with the emir of Qatar.
    Orbán noted Qatar’s outstanding economic performance and its presence across the world.He also said Qatar was “in the peace camp”, which had an interest in an urgent settlement ofthe war in Ukraine, adding that Qatar was willing to mediate in the interest of peace talks.
    Orbán said an agreement had been reached concerning Hungary’s gas purchases from Qatar,adding that “standing on several feet is better than on one foot”.
    “We have seen eye to eye in infrastructure projects, airport development, cooperation in thecommunications industry … we even concluded agreements in agriculture,” he said. “Goodperspectives have opened up for bilateral economic cooperation,” the prime minister said.

    https://www.budapesttimes.hu/diplomacy/orban-qatar-key-for-europe/

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    What's the matter? Isn't Russia capable of supplying its European proxy enough oil and gas?

    , @A123
    @sudden death


    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:
     
    And he promptly kicks the SJW rehab guards in the teeth and escapes their control .... Again. (1)

    Hungary President VIKTOR ORBAN: "It's obvious that there is no victory for poor Ukrainians on the battlefield.. escalation should be stopped and we should argue in favor of peace and negotiation."

     

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has once again spoken the quiet part out loud, as he continues to be a thorn in the side of NATO and the EU regarding continually escalating arms deliveries to Ukraine, with F-16 fighter jets poised to be delivered to Kiev in the near future.

    The first day of the annual Qatar Economic Forum (QEF) included a speech and on-stage interview by Orban wherein he bluntly stated that Ukraine can't win the war against Russia, short of NATO directly sending troops - which it isn't willing to do, and which Hungary stands against.

    He also reminded the West that the Hungarian government isn't part of the "mainstream" European Union approach to the war, but has pursued attempts at peaceful negotiations.

    "The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start," he said. He explained this is the only path forward given Kiev can't win.
     

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-obvious-there-will-be-no-victory-poor-ukrainians-orban

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

  638. • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Who digs a hole for others, falls in it himself...

    It kind of summarizes the Maidan madness.

  639. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/DmodosCutter/status/1660324507125530626

    Replies: @Beckow

    Who digs a hole for others, falls in it himself…

    It kind of summarizes the Maidan madness.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  640. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Nowadays pretty much of all Ukraine is a giant Galicia as a result of the current war. Seriously.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Seriously, not; emotions during a war are skin-deep. It takes a long time to change one’s identity – Kharkov or Odessa will not march to Banderism. Even Kiev most likely won’t…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    Wishful thinking by a shallow ignoramus. Galicia became Galicia as a result of World War I and the Polish-Ukrainian war that followed.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  641. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Seriously, not; emotions during a war are skin-deep. It takes a long time to change one's identity - Kharkov or Odessa will not march to Banderism. Even Kiev most likely won't...

    Replies: @AP

    Wishful thinking by a shallow ignoramus. Galicia became Galicia as a result of World War I and the Polish-Ukrainian war that followed.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    What? Who cares? Non-sequitur...now you are just incoherent.

    Galicia - or Halich - existed for hundreds of years prior to WW1, maybe a 1,000.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Didn't decades of pre-WWI Ukrainian nationalist education and indoctrination under Austria also have a role in Galicia's development?

  642. @Mr. XYZ
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There are already very few ethnic minorities in Western Ukraine.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    What about Russian Ukrainians?

    They are burning their churches, attacking them in the street for speaking Russian, they’ve abolished Russian-language education, destroyed historic monuments to their heroes…

  643. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I don’t want to miss up on another ethnic slug-fest.


    I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations
     
    Which normal people are you referring to?

    The people cooking each other’s heads in the fields of Ukraine?

    The ones bringing the world ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon, over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet - the Holy Land.

    Hardly anyone cared, much less heard of, Donetsk and Luhansk before this war erupted. Zero historical significance outside of Russia/Ukraine.

    But now multiple nuclear powers are being dragged into a petty territorial conflict between you Slavs. Several 3rd world countries are at risk of famine.

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Talk about blaming the victims. Iago ain’t in it.

    “over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?”

    You mean the areas that provided most of Ukraine’s GDP?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The cognitive dissonance with these pro Ukies is staggering. At least the Ukies do understand the physical assets there. Ww2 hinged on the battles around the Don river.

  644. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I don’t want to miss up on another ethnic slug-fest.


    I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations
     
    Which normal people are you referring to?

    The people cooking each other’s heads in the fields of Ukraine?

    The ones bringing the world ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon, over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet - the Holy Land.

    Hardly anyone cared, much less heard of, Donetsk and Luhansk before this war erupted. Zero historical significance outside of Russia/Ukraine.

    But now multiple nuclear powers are being dragged into a petty territorial conflict between you Slavs. Several 3rd world countries are at risk of famine.

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Crimea is “Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier Number 1” for Russia. Donbass is the land bridge toward that asset. Plenty of people know all about it and have done so since very ancient times like the Hellenic Bosporan Kingdom entered history.

  645. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Yahya

    Talk about blaming the victims. Iago ain't in it.

    "over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?"

    You mean the areas that provided most of Ukraine's GDP?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The cognitive dissonance with these pro Ukies is staggering. At least the Ukies do understand the physical assets there. Ww2 hinged on the battles around the Don river.

  646. @LatW
    @sudden death


    Another so quick, that it became almost unnoticed, but a huge geopolitical tectonic shift has happened lately – conventional military fighting inside RF has been normalized in principle and now is just a matter of everyday news
     
    That's right, it's actually quite remarkable and it happened already a while ago (even before Bryansk and Belgorod), there were explosions on Crimea and, of course, they do not control fully the territories that they have annexed. They have created a problem for themselves legally and militarily.

    What is even more remarkable is how quietly it has been accepted. But these are laws of Nature, when you start this kind of activity, it can go either way. It can go far in either direction.

    But for these Western skeptics here the issue is something else - even if this big shift in reality has happened, they still wonder at what point someone in RusFed will snap and decide to use the proverbial nukes. I don't think they are mentally adjusted to this fluid situation. With each further step, as things unravel and move ahead into more and more chaos and bolder actions, they will keep guessing when is that fatal moment. Are there red lines? There have got to be! This is how they think. It's understandable given how unusual the situation has become.

    Btw, some news came out on Ukrainian live streams that there were in fact nuclear heads in Belgorod that the Russian side removed in haste. Hard to say if it's true (but if it is true, then it is smart, better move those away from the chaos).

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Wokechoke

    The combined economic weight of Russia and China is enough to brazen this out. In Peking “Beijing”, someone somewhere is prepping to do something to someone somewhere.

  647. First Korean movie I’ve seen other than Snowpiercer (bad commie film, dual production) and Escape from Mogadishu (one scene worth price of admission) with a black in it.

    [MORE]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Delivery_(2022_film)

    He’s a hapa and they had a joke in it where they called him a Paki or from Bangladesh.

    But he seems to be a popular model there and was depicted sympathetically, as an illegal.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Hyun-min

  648. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Anatoly Karlin once said that North Korea's opinion on the annexation question (it's the only country in the world that has actually recognized Russia's 2022 annexations of additional Ukrainian territory) is worth more than that of dozens of countries because of just how based North Korea is lol.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Hey, if MemeLords on Twitter say it is so, then I guess it just must be so!

    Reality must conform! Best Chad Korea ascendent!

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  649. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ


    fair game to burn the Torah
     
    Where?

    When?

    Don't play it dumb Shlomo, you know perfectly well that the ADL will eat alive anyone who desecrates the Torah and/or the Talmud and would decree this eating a Goy alive kosher and halachic.

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book. Both are Abrahamic maniacs. A plague on both your houses. I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we - normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations to something that makes more sense and is more open-minded.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Yahya, @Barbarossa

    I always prefer seeing the best in all people and all things. And I feel fine that way. Why being angry when one can be happy and relaxed ?

    Ivashka goes from chill to kill, Yow!

    Everybody has their buttons!

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  650. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don't believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security. I believe they think long term, so real steps in a positive direction might be enough, but who knows. I am familiar with the points you made, but I think you are underestimating the Russian concern level. They did not make the Poseidon weapon because they think the US is "reasonable". It is a weapon meant to deal with an unreasonable adversary. The Burevestnik may have a similar psychological purpose.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I'm not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like "low hanging fruit" for negotiators. I agree any tribunal is probably not implemented through the ICC, which is probably unsalvageable from Russia's perspective. Maybe the USA would play a role by extraditing some Bandera-types who thought they were safe and sound.

    In terms of the big picture this is similar to NSII. The players will be happy to trot out experts explaining your Sluggo theory even if it is not the cause of the explosions. Better to restart the pipe and no one has to take the blame. Behind the scenes Russia pressures the West with evidence of the Western demolition to get a very good deal to cover their troubles. On the other hand, the West might make Ukraine the fall guy for NSII since they will not have any money to lose to Russia.

    I think Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn't seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.

    Replies: @A123

    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don’t believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security.

    I concur that Russia concerns need to be accommodated.

    However, INF and ABM are not coming back. Does everything has to stay on hold until there is a huge multiparty deal that includes many European nations? And, the U.S. will not sign anything that allows China to make strategic gains. So, odds are this would be a global treaty not a regional one.

    Some other method must be found. It is a tricky proposition.

    France and Germany are rapidly sliding towards oblivion. Moving the U.S. center of action to the Visegrád 4 is necessary as these are the most reliable allies in the region. The goal is not encroaching on Russia. It is about protecting the Western border of Poland when the EU self destructs. But, from a Russian perspective, the appearance of that necessary shift does not look favourable.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I’m not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like “low hanging fruit” for negotiators.

    If it could be packaged as Ukraine cleaning up its own house (with external support), perhaps that could sell. International tribunals are perceived as winners punishing losers, so that structure will not fly in a negotiated deal.

    Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn’t seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.

    Türkiye will continue in NATO. The question is, “How long will NATO continue?”

    Any deal on Syria will have to exclude a Turkish presence in Syria. Iran and its proxies will also have to be totally excluded. A verifiable Iranian exit would allow U.S. forces to depart. However, both Turkey & America will come back if Iran and its proxies reappear. Iranian zealotry turned Lebanon into a failed state. Khamenei cannot be allowed to inflict the same pain on Syria.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I think the nuclear issue trumps all the other stuff. Of course the defunct treaties must be replaced by new treaties, but a framework could be set up along the lines of the old treaties to cover the gap. This would be meaningless unless the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I'm not sure what steps are possible for the US. There is a sector of the MIC pushing to revive nuclear testing, so any momentum in that area has to be fought, unless the US and Russia do joint tests. The maneuvering room on arms control for the US politicians is extremely limited which is one reason this Ukraine mess is so dangerous.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty. The Russians responded by creating new weapons that are less susceptible to missile defenses or completely immune. Since the Western ABM defense probably doesn't work too well, we have actually tipped the MAD balance in Russia's favor! Great job crazy idiots. Predictably, the US will want to develop new weapons to restore MAD parity so there will be strong forces against arms control treaties. One exception could be that Russia sees her own recent developments as bargaining chips for arms control. Of course now that the world has entered the age of bioweapons things are more complicated.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start. These sites have nothing to do with Iran, btw. If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith then a nuclear security framework between our two countries might be enough to induce China to join a three party arrangement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    , @Matra
    @A123


    Türkiye will continue in NATO
     
    I've never used the Ignore Commenter feature but after this outrage I'm considering it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  651. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP

    Sometime I wish Utu was still in the forum, I need to him to propose the conspiracy theory that you and Beckow have been sharing an account.

    The "decaying West" , with the famous historical losers called "anglos", who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact, I'm sure our great-grandparents believed this.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya's parents buy a house in London and you live in New England.


    by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what – 44% native?
     
    They might be hateful of Mikel, only because he is critical of Ukraine, while they are the demographic which, are one of the world's most loving of Ukraine people, including to some extent even wealthy Russians of London who are organizing for the Ukrainian refugees.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.


    https://twitter.com/SadiqKhan/status/1609346879896145923

    Replies: @AP

    The “decaying West” , with the famous historical losers called “anglos”, who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact

    At the moment they are burying themselves (hopefully they will wake up some day, as the Italians seem to be doing). But at least most of them support Ukrainians who are not burying themselves. That is better than nothing. There is something particularly offensive about the exceptions who do not.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya’s parents buy a house in London and you live in New England

    I was never specific about where I live, only said in the Northeast. Could be New England, or Westchester, or Catskills, or out on Long Island.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.

    I am grateful to them, who follow the British aristocrat Boris Johnson who was very strongly pro-Ukraine. Unlike the pathetic British leftist Jeremy Corbyn.

    Btw this captures the Northeast that I mentioned (New England but is also true of Westchester etc.):

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    they are burying themselves
     
    Western Europe is a dream zone for most people in Eastern and Central Europe. So, there is a quite a lot of the disconnection between real life and these Soviet claims.

    And parts of Central Europe which improve, of course, in significant ways because they are nowadays partly funded by Western Europe, partly also managed by Western Europe.


    was very strongly pro-Ukraine. Unlike the pathetic British leftist

     

    Even British leftists were even more supporting open borders for Ukrainian refugees than rightists, who were already supporting them.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukrainian-refugees-terror-attack-suella-braverman-b2038899.html

    Btw this captures the Northeast that I mentioned (New England but is also true of Westchester etc.):
     
    There with the highest voting proportions for Obama.

    All these places like Harvard, Yale, Princeton are copy-paste of the English social model. Large part of the modern world is copy-paste from them, the idea the main programming culture of recent history are historical losers, is going to be pretty implausible. Probably also, when those "losers" sit in the attractive wooden house eating kale and not talk about their trust fund.

  652. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader

    It's attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is "bs?"

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what - 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don't even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Mikel

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.

    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia. Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee.
    Now the basic issue is pretty simple. NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe. It’s not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who’s the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they’re a great power again. There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans, that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war. You always dodge this issue with nonsensical rationalizations (and a stunning sense of entitlement), like comparisons with gun ownership or other issues on the level of individuals, but it’s still true.
    Now rationally I’m not even in favour of ending support for Ukraine. But I’m not going to pretend otherwise, emotionally I’m fed up with Ukraine and its unhinged, self-centred supporters. There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can’t be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine’s position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes. Like not supporting fringe characters like those “Free Russians” (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context) in an attempt to trigger internal unrest, maybe even civil war in the Russian Federation (like that would be a positive outcome, given Russia’s arsenal of nuclear weapons), or whatever idiotic goal Ukraine’s intelligence service is intending to achieve with such antics. As I wrote above, Ukraine and its supporters are pushing their luck with this kind of thing, and at some point it may run out.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    What kind of a strange world do you live in German_reader, where a country under attack from an insane neighboring aggressor state that is being attacked from within by its own people wouldn't try and use these current events to its own advantage in the ongoing propaganda war between the two states? Face it, if this sort of thing didn't spur on some points by the Ukrainian side, then one could really begin to wonder as to what is going on over there.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AP
    @German_reader


    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia
     
    Correct.

    Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee
     
    Given the Polish role in ending the Soviet threat they earned some leeway.

    NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe.

     

    Yes.

    It’s not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who’s the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they’re a great power again
     
    NATO is the combined military force of the countries that collectively form “the West.” That is the value of NATO. Should “the West” have a collective military alliance presenting a more or less united front against non-West, or should it’s militaries consist of atomized local forces?

    Ukraine is on the edge of the West and border conflicts define the limits of the West.

    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.

    There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans,
     
    The loss of Egypt was ultimately very bad for core Eastern Rome, and the later loss of Eastern Rome to the Turks was ultimately bad for Western Europeans too, no?

    It’s better for the West for it not to lose places. Particularly when the western parts of the West are a bit unhealthy due to having accepted large numbers of non-Western (and often anti-Western) settlers while the eastern parts of the West are still a fairly clean reservoir of Western peoples. One that is threatened by invasion and occupation by Eurasia.

    that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war

     

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true. Even taking Crimea (or if Russia took Estonia) would not result in self destruction by either side. The unrealistic fear of this is exploited by the enemy. Fear is how the West is defeated: fear of nukes, so give away parts of it. Fear of being offensive, so don’t interfere with rape gangs in one’s own country. Fear of climate change, so don’t have children. It’s always some kind of fear. And those such as the people of Ukraine who are not afraid - are perceived by the fearful ones as being annoying.

    There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can’t be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine’s position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes

     

    Constraints in the battle for existence? It should boldly push for as much as possible. Would it have gotten as much as it has if it has not been doing so?

    Like not supporting fringe characters like those “Free Russians” (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context

     

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable. Including unleashing these Russians in their own homeland. And whatever their distasteful political ideology, I bet they are far less likely to rape and murder people in Russia, than Putin’s troops have been doing to Ukrainians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

  653. @sudden death
    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:

    https://hungarytoday.hu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/D_MTI20230521010-1536x1024.jpg

    Qatar has been of crucial importance for Europe, since in the past year "a large part of theRussian gas missing from the European economy has been replaced by LNG from thatcountry", Viktor Orbán said in a video published on Facebook on Monday.
    The prime minister announced that Hungary would also buy gas from Qatar in future.
    Orbán arrived in Doha on an offi cial visit on Sunday. In his video, he said he had had “long,exhausting and successful talks” with the emir of Qatar.
    Orbán noted Qatar’s outstanding economic performance and its presence across the world.He also said Qatar was “in the peace camp”, which had an interest in an urgent settlement ofthe war in Ukraine, adding that Qatar was willing to mediate in the interest of peace talks.
    Orbán said an agreement had been reached concerning Hungary’s gas purchases from Qatar,adding that “standing on several feet is better than on one foot”.
    “We have seen eye to eye in infrastructure projects, airport development, cooperation in thecommunications industry … we even concluded agreements in agriculture,” he said. “Goodperspectives have opened up for bilateral economic cooperation,” the prime minister said.
     
    https://www.budapesttimes.hu/diplomacy/orban-qatar-key-for-europe/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    What’s the matter? Isn’t Russia capable of supplying its European proxy enough oil and gas?

  654. @German_reader
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia. Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee.
    Now the basic issue is pretty simple. NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe. It's not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who's the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they're a great power again. There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans, that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war. You always dodge this issue with nonsensical rationalizations (and a stunning sense of entitlement), like comparisons with gun ownership or other issues on the level of individuals, but it's still true.
    Now rationally I'm not even in favour of ending support for Ukraine. But I'm not going to pretend otherwise, emotionally I'm fed up with Ukraine and its unhinged, self-centred supporters. There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can't be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine's position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes. Like not supporting fringe characters like those "Free Russians" (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context) in an attempt to trigger internal unrest, maybe even civil war in the Russian Federation (like that would be a positive outcome, given Russia's arsenal of nuclear weapons), or whatever idiotic goal Ukraine's intelligence service is intending to achieve with such antics. As I wrote above, Ukraine and its supporters are pushing their luck with this kind of thing, and at some point it may run out.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    What kind of a strange world do you live in German_reader, where a country under attack from an insane neighboring aggressor state that is being attacked from within by its own people wouldn’t try and use these current events to its own advantage in the ongoing propaganda war between the two states? Face it, if this sort of thing didn’t spur on some points by the Ukrainian side, then one could really begin to wonder as to what is going on over there.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    What kind of a strange world do you live in
     
    A world in which Russia still has a massive nuclear arsenal?

    that is being attacked from within by its own people
     
    That's just propagandistic bs, these "Free Russians" are based in and supported by Ukraine.
    Anyway, if you think it's a great idea to work towards regime change and possibly even civil war in Russia, not much point in arguing about that. I just fundamentally disagree. Maybe I'm wrong, and it all works out wonderfully. We'll see.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

  655. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    What kind of a strange world do you live in German_reader, where a country under attack from an insane neighboring aggressor state that is being attacked from within by its own people wouldn't try and use these current events to its own advantage in the ongoing propaganda war between the two states? Face it, if this sort of thing didn't spur on some points by the Ukrainian side, then one could really begin to wonder as to what is going on over there.

    Replies: @German_reader

    What kind of a strange world do you live in

    A world in which Russia still has a massive nuclear arsenal?

    that is being attacked from within by its own people

    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.
    Anyway, if you think it’s a great idea to work towards regime change and possibly even civil war in Russia, not much point in arguing about that. I just fundamentally disagree. Maybe I’m wrong, and it all works out wonderfully. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2220904/russia-fsb-office-bombing-rostov-don.jpg
    Sweep this kind of stuff under the carpet? Face it, Russia is starting to fall apart.


    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

     

    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren't real grievances in Putler's Russia?

    Perhaps, old Putler needs to nuke some of his own home grown Russian rebels and clean his own house?

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    , @John Johnson
    @German_reader


    that is being attacked from within by its own people
     
    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

    How do you know that? Over 300k men have left Russia because they don't want to be buried for this stupid war. Are they all based in Ukraine?

    It's really pathetic that you and others have such a hard time with the possibility of there being Russians that don't want to live under a mass murdering dwarf.

    Some poor Russian was living just fine and today he has to die for the dictator. And for what? So Putin can take Donbas? NATO expanded, free Ukraine remains, over 100k dead on both sides....what was the point again?

    This is what real men look like:

    https://youtu.be/Bt_Ei1aGi_M?t=20

    Putin will never be a real man. Just a bitter little boy trapped in the body of a dwarf.

    Replies: @LatW

  656. You’d think that someone would make a potato that was more resistant to solanine formation, or which would store better in cold conditions, like a fridge.

  657. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    What kind of a strange world do you live in
     
    A world in which Russia still has a massive nuclear arsenal?

    that is being attacked from within by its own people
     
    That's just propagandistic bs, these "Free Russians" are based in and supported by Ukraine.
    Anyway, if you think it's a great idea to work towards regime change and possibly even civil war in Russia, not much point in arguing about that. I just fundamentally disagree. Maybe I'm wrong, and it all works out wonderfully. We'll see.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Sweep this kind of stuff under the carpet? Face it, Russia is starting to fall apart.

    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren’t real grievances in Putler’s Russia?

    Perhaps, old Putler needs to nuke some of his own home grown Russian rebels and clean his own house?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren’t real grievances in Putler’s Russia?
     
    You can look here, info about some of those involved in this raid:

    https://twitter.com/leonidragozin

    Ragozin is a standard liberal, obviously I would disagree with him on pretty much everything...but I see no reason to doubt his characterization of quite a few of those "Free Russians"...these are very nutty people from groups like Wotanjugend (lol). imo total idiocy for Ukraine to use these people as proxies, nothing good will come of it. But tbh I'm already tired of this discussion, unless something drastically changes (when will the Ukrainian offensive begin?), not much point to it anyway.

    , @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    The Ukrainians regularly brag about murdering people and committing terrorist attacks in Russia. One senior guy seemed to be saying he plans to "destroy" (murder) 3 million Crimeans. The West has visibly nurtured fifth columns in Ukraine and Russia for decades. Part of their purpose is to create chaos in civilian life. This is likely some of that.

    Eventually this sort of stupidity may tip the Russian battle plan in favor of the White Swans.

  658. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia. Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee.
    Now the basic issue is pretty simple. NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe. It's not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who's the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they're a great power again. There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans, that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war. You always dodge this issue with nonsensical rationalizations (and a stunning sense of entitlement), like comparisons with gun ownership or other issues on the level of individuals, but it's still true.
    Now rationally I'm not even in favour of ending support for Ukraine. But I'm not going to pretend otherwise, emotionally I'm fed up with Ukraine and its unhinged, self-centred supporters. There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can't be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine's position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes. Like not supporting fringe characters like those "Free Russians" (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context) in an attempt to trigger internal unrest, maybe even civil war in the Russian Federation (like that would be a positive outcome, given Russia's arsenal of nuclear weapons), or whatever idiotic goal Ukraine's intelligence service is intending to achieve with such antics. As I wrote above, Ukraine and its supporters are pushing their luck with this kind of thing, and at some point it may run out.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia

    Correct.

    Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee

    Given the Polish role in ending the Soviet threat they earned some leeway.

    NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe.

    Yes.

    It’s not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who’s the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they’re a great power again

    NATO is the combined military force of the countries that collectively form “the West.” That is the value of NATO. Should “the West” have a collective military alliance presenting a more or less united front against non-West, or should it’s militaries consist of atomized local forces?

    Ukraine is on the edge of the West and border conflicts define the limits of the West.

    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.

    There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans,

    The loss of Egypt was ultimately very bad for core Eastern Rome, and the later loss of Eastern Rome to the Turks was ultimately bad for Western Europeans too, no?

    It’s better for the West for it not to lose places. Particularly when the western parts of the West are a bit unhealthy due to having accepted large numbers of non-Western (and often anti-Western) settlers while the eastern parts of the West are still a fairly clean reservoir of Western peoples. One that is threatened by invasion and occupation by Eurasia.

    that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true. Even taking Crimea (or if Russia took Estonia) would not result in self destruction by either side. The unrealistic fear of this is exploited by the enemy. Fear is how the West is defeated: fear of nukes, so give away parts of it. Fear of being offensive, so don’t interfere with rape gangs in one’s own country. Fear of climate change, so don’t have children. It’s always some kind of fear. And those such as the people of Ukraine who are not afraid – are perceived by the fearful ones as being annoying.

    There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can’t be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine’s position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes

    Constraints in the battle for existence? It should boldly push for as much as possible. Would it have gotten as much as it has if it has not been doing so?

    Like not supporting fringe characters like those “Free Russians” (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable. Including unleashing these Russians in their own homeland. And whatever their distasteful political ideology, I bet they are far less likely to rape and murder people in Russia, than Putin’s troops have been doing to Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.
     
    That much is true. As I've written before, imo Russia definitely went much too far with its invasion of February 2022, so a strong reaction was appropriate.

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War.
     
    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there's a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine...all the more since so many of Russia's previous "red lines" have already been crossed without consequences. But who knows how long this luck will continue. Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia's historic core territories (there wasn't even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all). Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development. And there are of course also other factors, like China's potential involvement on Russia's side.
    Essentially it's a high stakes gamble. If it succeeds and Russia is destroyed as a great power, that's of course great from the pov of those invested in American global hegemony (I have my own issues with that, but let's leave that aside for the moment). But if it doesn't, the results could be catastrophic.

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable.
     
    I don't agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. "Desperate struggle for existence" makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland's occupation by Germany during WW2, where the eventual outcome would have been existence as a slave people or even physical annihilation. Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia's initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations). Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine. So I don't agree that "all measures are acceptable".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    AP wrote:


    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true.
     
    I disagree.

    The new problem with MAD is the West is now insane. This was not true in 1990. We have insane people in all parts of the government and the military. So creating a hair trigger situation between the West and Russia is very dangerous. When the West dropped out of the ABM treaty it was an announcement that yes, we seek to overturn MAD to our advantage.

    Some people here like to wallow in the "Big Bad Bear" mindset where this is a typical EE war over some nonsense like mean old Russia wants your silly coal mines or something. You should try a little empathy and think about the Russian military perspective and see what is really going on.

    The West drops out of the ABM treaty with the goal of undermining MAD. In the eyes of the Russian military this was extremely serious. The arms reduction treaties were a big deal and the USA unilaterally backing out of them was an even bigger deal.

    The specifically anti-Russian military alliance NATO was gradually expanded towards Russia, incorporating territories recently held by Russia. NATO was ready to attack or repel Russia on a moment's notice for decades. There is no way to spin NATO expansion as not a threat to Russia. That was the entire point of expanding NATO. A veiled threat is still a threat.

    Assisting with a coup in a country which borders on your nuclear adversary (i.e. Ukraine borders Russia) is obviously a military threat. Once MAD exists everything in the political-military-economic sphere is tainted by it. We don't have to like it but it is worth recognizing the issue.

    Why can't you people accept that you have fallen into a dangerously foolish mindset? Maybe you think some border dispute between these two regions is worth starting WW3.
  659. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2220904/russia-fsb-office-bombing-rostov-don.jpg
    Sweep this kind of stuff under the carpet? Face it, Russia is starting to fall apart.


    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

     

    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren't real grievances in Putler's Russia?

    Perhaps, old Putler needs to nuke some of his own home grown Russian rebels and clean his own house?

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren’t real grievances in Putler’s Russia?

    You can look here, info about some of those involved in this raid:


    [MORE]

    Ragozin is a standard liberal, obviously I would disagree with him on pretty much everything…but I see no reason to doubt his characterization of quite a few of those “Free Russians”…these are very nutty people from groups like Wotanjugend (lol). imo total idiocy for Ukraine to use these people as proxies, nothing good will come of it. But tbh I’m already tired of this discussion, unless something drastically changes (when will the Ukrainian offensive begin?), not much point to it anyway.

  660. @AP
    @Beckow

    Wishful thinking by a shallow ignoramus. Galicia became Galicia as a result of World War I and the Polish-Ukrainian war that followed.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    What? Who cares? Non-sequitur…now you are just incoherent.

    Galicia – or Halich – existed for hundreds of years prior to WW1, maybe a 1,000.

  661. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia
     
    Correct.

    Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee
     
    Given the Polish role in ending the Soviet threat they earned some leeway.

    NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe.

     

    Yes.

    It’s not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who’s the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they’re a great power again
     
    NATO is the combined military force of the countries that collectively form “the West.” That is the value of NATO. Should “the West” have a collective military alliance presenting a more or less united front against non-West, or should it’s militaries consist of atomized local forces?

    Ukraine is on the edge of the West and border conflicts define the limits of the West.

    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.

    There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans,
     
    The loss of Egypt was ultimately very bad for core Eastern Rome, and the later loss of Eastern Rome to the Turks was ultimately bad for Western Europeans too, no?

    It’s better for the West for it not to lose places. Particularly when the western parts of the West are a bit unhealthy due to having accepted large numbers of non-Western (and often anti-Western) settlers while the eastern parts of the West are still a fairly clean reservoir of Western peoples. One that is threatened by invasion and occupation by Eurasia.

    that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war

     

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true. Even taking Crimea (or if Russia took Estonia) would not result in self destruction by either side. The unrealistic fear of this is exploited by the enemy. Fear is how the West is defeated: fear of nukes, so give away parts of it. Fear of being offensive, so don’t interfere with rape gangs in one’s own country. Fear of climate change, so don’t have children. It’s always some kind of fear. And those such as the people of Ukraine who are not afraid - are perceived by the fearful ones as being annoying.

    There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can’t be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine’s position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes

     

    Constraints in the battle for existence? It should boldly push for as much as possible. Would it have gotten as much as it has if it has not been doing so?

    Like not supporting fringe characters like those “Free Russians” (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context

     

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable. Including unleashing these Russians in their own homeland. And whatever their distasteful political ideology, I bet they are far less likely to rape and murder people in Russia, than Putin’s troops have been doing to Ukrainians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.

    That much is true. As I’ve written before, imo Russia definitely went much too far with its invasion of February 2022, so a strong reaction was appropriate.

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War.

    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine…all the more since so many of Russia’s previous “red lines” have already been crossed without consequences. But who knows how long this luck will continue. Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all). Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development. And there are of course also other factors, like China’s potential involvement on Russia’s side.
    Essentially it’s a high stakes gamble. If it succeeds and Russia is destroyed as a great power, that’s of course great from the pov of those invested in American global hegemony (I have my own issues with that, but let’s leave that aside for the moment). But if it doesn’t, the results could be catastrophic.

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable.

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2, where the eventual outcome would have been existence as a slave people or even physical annihilation. Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia’s initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations). Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine. So I don’t agree that “all measures are acceptable”.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia’s initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations).
     
    You forgot to mention cultural genocide and the functional end of Ukrainian independence.

    Also, worth noting that the West did support and fund Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s as well as the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the same time.

    , @AP
    @German_reader


    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine
     
    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia's elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone's family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn't going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won't use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)
     
    Didn't the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development
     
    Russia doesn't have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    "Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable."

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2
     
    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
     
    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms - that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @German_reader

  662. @Beckow

    ...Poland swoops in to reclaim Galicia and at the same time drives out Ukrainian nationalists from the area.
     
    It doesn't work in 2023. More likely, Poland w Nato would try to create a Galicia-Plus ally centered on Lviv - a separate, fully dependent quasi-country. It will not work in the long run: hard-core Galicians are too stupid and ambitious: they want it all and then emigrate or mismanage everything.

    There will be Ukraine (or few of them) after the war but it is heading toward a regional model. To create a unified Ukraine required patience, tolerance of ethnic sub-groups, gradually building up the economy, and 1-2 generations.

    Maidan shortcut the process and effectively killed Ukraine - we are going through the consequences: angry regional groups, pretend "unity", lots of blood, massive foreign meddling - but in their hearts they all know that it can't be put back together.

    It is a pity, it could have been a great European country - if they had patience and a sense of humor. And didn't pathetically beg to be in "Europe" - if you have to constantly scream "we are Europeans!!!!", you are really not.

    Come to think, maybe Putin did organize Maidan, a savvy way to destroy a potential rival. Only a well-trained, patient guy could pull it off...with help from a lot of morons.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Carlton Meyer comments elsewhere on this website. He is clever as Unz and also succinct.

  663. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @QCIC


    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don’t believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security.
     
    I concur that Russia concerns need to be accommodated.

    However, INF and ABM are not coming back. Does everything has to stay on hold until there is a huge multiparty deal that includes many European nations? And, the U.S. will not sign anything that allows China to make strategic gains. So, odds are this would be a global treaty not a regional one.

    Some other method must be found. It is a tricky proposition.

    France and Germany are rapidly sliding towards oblivion. Moving the U.S. center of action to the Visegrád 4 is necessary as these are the most reliable allies in the region. The goal is not encroaching on Russia. It is about protecting the Western border of Poland when the EU self destructs. But, from a Russian perspective, the appearance of that necessary shift does not look favourable.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I’m not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like “low hanging fruit” for negotiators.
     
    If it could be packaged as Ukraine cleaning up its own house (with external support), perhaps that could sell. International tribunals are perceived as winners punishing losers, so that structure will not fly in a negotiated deal.

    Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn’t seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.
     
    Türkiye will continue in NATO. The question is, "How long will NATO continue?"

    Any deal on Syria will have to exclude a Turkish presence in Syria. Iran and its proxies will also have to be totally excluded. A verifiable Iranian exit would allow U.S. forces to depart. However, both Turkey & America will come back if Iran and its proxies reappear. Iranian zealotry turned Lebanon into a failed state. Khamenei cannot be allowed to inflict the same pain on Syria.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Matra

    I think the nuclear issue trumps all the other stuff. Of course the defunct treaties must be replaced by new treaties, but a framework could be set up along the lines of the old treaties to cover the gap. This would be meaningless unless the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I’m not sure what steps are possible for the US. There is a sector of the MIC pushing to revive nuclear testing, so any momentum in that area has to be fought, unless the US and Russia do joint tests. The maneuvering room on arms control for the US politicians is extremely limited which is one reason this Ukraine mess is so dangerous.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty. The Russians responded by creating new weapons that are less susceptible to missile defenses or completely immune. Since the Western ABM defense probably doesn’t work too well, we have actually tipped the MAD balance in Russia’s favor! Great job crazy idiots. Predictably, the US will want to develop new weapons to restore MAD parity so there will be strong forces against arms control treaties. One exception could be that Russia sees her own recent developments as bargaining chips for arms control. Of course now that the world has entered the age of bioweapons things are more complicated.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start. These sites have nothing to do with Iran, btw. If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith then a nuclear security framework between our two countries might be enough to induce China to join a three party arrangement.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith
     
    I don’t think anyone who has any influence in Russia believes that the US can do anything in good faith. As far as Russians are concerned, the belief of ~95% is that the US and good faith cannot be used in the same sentence. You can only trust a snake when it’s defanged.

    You show naïve belief that things can go back to “normal”. That old “normal” is gone, never to come back. Some things are irreversible, even though the people who do them rarely appreciate irreversibility of their actions.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I’m not sure what steps are possible for the US.
     
    Going into an election season, bipartisan is difficult to achieve. The Veggie-in-Chief regime is so extreme that they are refusing to raise the debt ceiling even though the House already passed a bill. The corruption issue will likely yield a formal Impeachment and Senate trial.

    Trump's 2nd term will provide huge opportunities to improve America-Russia relations as the "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth is finally thoroughly debunked.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty
     
    ABM died over 20 years ago. Do we need a replacement that includes China? Yes. However, trying to link a 20+ year old problem to the current Ukraine fight can only extend that fight. Getting China onboard will take months, possibly years, of negotiations. The situation in Ukraine can not wait that long.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start.
     
    Closing sites in EE is unworkable. The U.S. needs to replace unstable nations in core Europe that may collapse, notably France and Germany. The UK so screwed up Brexit, that Labour is going to come back into power (shudder). Even Italy may not qualify as reliable. Meloni continues to under perform. I am slowly beginning to think the GR may be correct in his analysis.

    The sane Christian Populist options are in Eastern Europe, Visegrád 4. These moves have nothing to do with Iran or Russia. It has to do with Open Borders and other SJW Muslim Globalist extremism wrecking the reliability of former bulwarks.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  664. Have not read Srinivasan’s book about network states. I think his idea is cool in a scifi sense – fun to think about.

    [MORE]

    But I have a lot of trouble thinking how it could work. Seems a combination of Truth Social and Esperanto.

    How do you create ‘alignment’ without a sense of ethnos? How can you even have a country without a military? How do you scale without recreating the problems of open borders? (I.e. lack of selection and rootedness). How do you tax and provide services without bigger states wanting a hand in it? At a minimum, seems like it would need to be a cult or its own religion.

    Though, I guess it is probably a lot more realistic than starting a country in space or on Mars.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Need to look more into the concept (Srinivasan has an entire website about it), but I find it pretty bizarre, like something only the terminally online could ever find plausible. Lots of practical problems (e. g. just the travel expenses for physical meet-ups), plus the crucial question: why should existing states tolerate such a subversion of their sovereignty? The ultimate goal is to take over physical spaces as well after all, and presumably mold them according to the preferences of a specific community (which also makes a mockery of Karlin's Open Borderism, something like that would obviously have to include some amount of implicit exclusion). The idea that this would just be accepted and even be granted diplomatic recognition sounds rather fantastical.
    Ironically, if it were possible, this would obviously be highly attractive as a strategy to rightoids...just think of White Nationalist network states (another reason why this concept would be likely to be crushed by the state, if it ever gained some traction).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  665. @QCIC
    @A123

    I think the nuclear issue trumps all the other stuff. Of course the defunct treaties must be replaced by new treaties, but a framework could be set up along the lines of the old treaties to cover the gap. This would be meaningless unless the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I'm not sure what steps are possible for the US. There is a sector of the MIC pushing to revive nuclear testing, so any momentum in that area has to be fought, unless the US and Russia do joint tests. The maneuvering room on arms control for the US politicians is extremely limited which is one reason this Ukraine mess is so dangerous.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty. The Russians responded by creating new weapons that are less susceptible to missile defenses or completely immune. Since the Western ABM defense probably doesn't work too well, we have actually tipped the MAD balance in Russia's favor! Great job crazy idiots. Predictably, the US will want to develop new weapons to restore MAD parity so there will be strong forces against arms control treaties. One exception could be that Russia sees her own recent developments as bargaining chips for arms control. Of course now that the world has entered the age of bioweapons things are more complicated.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start. These sites have nothing to do with Iran, btw. If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith then a nuclear security framework between our two countries might be enough to induce China to join a three party arrangement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith

    I don’t think anyone who has any influence in Russia believes that the US can do anything in good faith. As far as Russians are concerned, the belief of ~95% is that the US and good faith cannot be used in the same sentence. You can only trust a snake when it’s defanged.

    You show naïve belief that things can go back to “normal”. That old “normal” is gone, never to come back. Some things are irreversible, even though the people who do them rarely appreciate irreversibility of their actions.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    I agree. I don't believe a return to the old normal is possible, so I'm thinking about ways to avoid a World War.

    A return to the old USA (whatever that was) is impossible because people are now just too stupid. There were barely enough bright people to keep things stable in the past. Even if the Neocons all disappeared today, there may not be enough wise people to make true improvements.

  666. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2220904/russia-fsb-office-bombing-rostov-don.jpg
    Sweep this kind of stuff under the carpet? Face it, Russia is starting to fall apart.


    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

     

    All of them, or some of them? In either case, is this kind of stuff all that surprising, as if there aren't real grievances in Putler's Russia?

    Perhaps, old Putler needs to nuke some of his own home grown Russian rebels and clean his own house?

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    The Ukrainians regularly brag about murdering people and committing terrorist attacks in Russia. One senior guy seemed to be saying he plans to “destroy” (murder) 3 million Crimeans. The West has visibly nurtured fifth columns in Ukraine and Russia for decades. Part of their purpose is to create chaos in civilian life. This is likely some of that.

    Eventually this sort of stupidity may tip the Russian battle plan in favor of the White Swans.

  667. What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?

    Is it cultural integration with post 1965-regime in the US? Common attitude of rootless late-comers seeking status against original stock? Eastern European cultural milieu? (Polish? Communist?)

    …or could he be a crypto-Indian?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?
     
    I don’t know about AP, but IMO English is a convenient language. It has little grammar (American English has virtually none), nouns, verbs, and adjectives don’t have gender, plus in the US most longer words are shortened to one or two syllables. It’s already pidgin. Perfect for non-native speakers. Chinese has virtually no grammar, words don’t change, but their writing is mind-boggling. In addition, Chinese is a tonal language, closed to those who don’t have musical ear. That’s why as an international language English has no rivals.

    BTW, if you are a Brit, let me tell you a little secret: out of 6-8 synonyms with slightly different flavors that British have for most words, people in the US use only one.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AP
    @songbird


    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?
     
    Who said I had a distaste for the English? I feel sad that they have allowed their charming homelands to be diluted by non-Europeans. If I disliked them, this would not be viewed by me as a negative thing. I like Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and English post-punk music.

    More interesting is why you, an Irishman, are so eager to leap to their defense all the time?

    My take on the English is that they are the very refined and ultimate heirs of the Vikings, creating a very just, nice and orderly (within reason) society for themselves while also being rather ruthless and sophisticated raiders. Within their homelands they have created an excellent combination of gentleness, prosperity and pleasant aesthetics. Many of us non-Anglos are lucky and privileged to have been able to settle in the Angloshere. It’s a damn shame that the English themselves seem to have soured on their own brilliant legacy.

    Those whom they colonized got the bad end of the deal (others such as Spaniards were more humane) because the English were tough, ruthless and savvy invaders and exploiters who made sure to get themselves the best deal, but to the extent that the victims can learn from and emulate their former masters, they can do well too. Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel are probably positive examples. Dima was mentioning this, about English “software.”

    I am grateful for Anglo support for Ukraine.

    or could he be a crypto-Indian?
     
    Well, a couple thousand years ago some distant cousins of my distant ancestors did move down there.

    Replies: @songbird

  668. QCIC says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith
     
    I don’t think anyone who has any influence in Russia believes that the US can do anything in good faith. As far as Russians are concerned, the belief of ~95% is that the US and good faith cannot be used in the same sentence. You can only trust a snake when it’s defanged.

    You show naïve belief that things can go back to “normal”. That old “normal” is gone, never to come back. Some things are irreversible, even though the people who do them rarely appreciate irreversibility of their actions.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I agree. I don’t believe a return to the old normal is possible, so I’m thinking about ways to avoid a World War.

    A return to the old USA (whatever that was) is impossible because people are now just too stupid. There were barely enough bright people to keep things stable in the past. Even if the Neocons all disappeared today, there may not be enough wise people to make true improvements.

  669. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far
     
    Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Most of the world keeps trading with Russia like it did before. China, India, and many other countries have greatly increased their trade with Russia in the last year. Saner parts of the world even open new airline routes to Moscow (e.g., Georgia, Morocco, etc.).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I wonder what kind of interest other stakeholders in that order should have in recognizing or supporting such blatant annexationism. Not even China has recognized the Russian annexations so far

    Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Most of the world keeps trading with Russia like it did before. China, India, and many other countries have greatly increased their trade with Russia in the last year. Saner parts of the world even open new airline routes to Moscow (e.g., Georgia, Morocco, etc.).

    Talk is cheap and Russia is highly dependent on oil sales. It doesn’t matter if the world outside the US/EU keeps trade relations because Putin needs gas sales from the West to fund his abortion empire.

    Their oil revenue is down 40% year over year.
    https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20230519_26/

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  670. @songbird
    What explains AP's distaste for the English, I wonder?

    Is it cultural integration with post 1965-regime in the US? Common attitude of rootless late-comers seeking status against original stock? Eastern European cultural milieu? (Polish? Communist?)

    ...or could he be a crypto-Indian?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?

    I don’t know about AP, but IMO English is a convenient language. It has little grammar (American English has virtually none), nouns, verbs, and adjectives don’t have gender, plus in the US most longer words are shortened to one or two syllables. It’s already pidgin. Perfect for non-native speakers. Chinese has virtually no grammar, words don’t change, but their writing is mind-boggling. In addition, Chinese is a tonal language, closed to those who don’t have musical ear. That’s why as an international language English has no rivals.

    BTW, if you are a Brit, let me tell you a little secret: out of 6-8 synonyms with slightly different flavors that British have for most words, people in the US use only one.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, I think that is true - English became what Esperanto set out to become. (Though I think Esperanto still has abstract, non-linguistic relevence to the idea of network states, in how it was a failure because there was no pre-existing Esperanto country.)

    I often feel disappointed when I look up a list of synonyms or antonyms. Perhaps, it would be good to have a language which took a separate tack, than the modern focus on reforms of simplification. One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  671. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    What kind of a strange world do you live in
     
    A world in which Russia still has a massive nuclear arsenal?

    that is being attacked from within by its own people
     
    That's just propagandistic bs, these "Free Russians" are based in and supported by Ukraine.
    Anyway, if you think it's a great idea to work towards regime change and possibly even civil war in Russia, not much point in arguing about that. I just fundamentally disagree. Maybe I'm wrong, and it all works out wonderfully. We'll see.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    that is being attacked from within by its own people

    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

    How do you know that? Over 300k men have left Russia because they don’t want to be buried for this stupid war. Are they all based in Ukraine?

    It’s really pathetic that you and others have such a hard time with the possibility of there being Russians that don’t want to live under a mass murdering dwarf.

    Some poor Russian was living just fine and today he has to die for the dictator. And for what? So Putin can take Donbas? NATO expanded, free Ukraine remains, over 100k dead on both sides….what was the point again?

    This is what real men look like:

    Putin will never be a real man. Just a bitter little boy trapped in the body of a dwarf.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    This is what real men look like
     
    Indeed. These are men who care about their society and what kind of society they will live in. And who are realistic enough to understand that freedom is not free. For example, Caesar has known for years (at least 10 or so) that only armed resistance will have any impact, not waving white ribbons and just chanting slogans like "We are the power here" - a famous Russian non-systemic liberal slogan which means exactly nothing since they have exactly zero political power. They can scream that before they are hit with a baton and put away, while these guys are armed. Mentally and physically.

    They are not only friendlies, but also our allies. They will be able to put the foot down against the woke crazies, too, because they care about having control over their posterity.

    They will earn respect (which they already have) as freedom fighters and then it will be harder for the liberals to go against them. After the war it'll be like, "Well, what did you do...". The likes of Khodorkovsky can say that say that they sat in exile and talked about democracy.

    These ones also have experience from the mistakes of the past generations - they see what happened to the nationalists after 1991 and what happened to the Right Sector after the Maidan (they were pushed aside), they are aware of these dynamics of the powers trying to remove them "after the job is done". Whether they will succeed in avoiding that, it is a question, but at least they are aware of this potential vulnerability.

    Btw, there are two groups - one very moderate (Freedom of Russia Legion) and the Volunteer Corps (RDK) who are far-right (with classical Italian influences). They were in sort of competition and had rather significant ideological differences, but they came together recently out of necessity to combine their strengths, if needed.

    Don't ever believe when they are called "Nazis", that is bs. Even the group that is "naughtier" is very Euro friendly (and could find their spot in the European political spectrum).

  672. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Who was that author GR mentioned who made some claim about globalism being a feature in the bronze age collapse? Cline?
     
    Yes, it's in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early "globalization" for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually sceptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I’ll focus on commenting on history now to avoid present issues as much as possible (but of course history has obvious important insights for the present and future, hence a key part of history’s value).

    Yes, it’s in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early “globalization” for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually skeptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

    I think with this it’s important to remember that the Ancient Mediterranean was a very different place to the contemporary Mediterranean. Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.

    Although it’s true that Rome-Carthage animosity and Punic Wars suggest otherwise, before Punic Wars, Rome and Carthage were very close. Pre-Islamic breakout on Mediterranean meant that there were a lot of casual cultural connections, trade routes, and exchanges despite occasional wars. Perhaps similar to Europe as a common cultural and civilizational space with smooth interactions (aside from occasional wars) pre-20th century. E.g. Phoenicians, Myceneans, Ancient Greeks, Trojans, Romans, Carthaginians, etc. all despite vicissitudes of war and politics interacted closely over many centuries until that relative continuity was shattered by Muslim conquests of 600s. Of course, Greek settlements and Roman conquest helped integrate the Mediterranean as a common space, although Barbarian invasions of late Rome reintroduced some frictions, but nothing as polarizing as Islamic conquests.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.
     
    That's pretty much Pirenne's thesis (Mahomet et Charlemagne). Don't know what the current state of research on it is, iirc it's now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests. But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.
    Don't have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here...

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

  673. A123 says: • Website
    @QCIC
    @A123

    I think the nuclear issue trumps all the other stuff. Of course the defunct treaties must be replaced by new treaties, but a framework could be set up along the lines of the old treaties to cover the gap. This would be meaningless unless the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I'm not sure what steps are possible for the US. There is a sector of the MIC pushing to revive nuclear testing, so any momentum in that area has to be fought, unless the US and Russia do joint tests. The maneuvering room on arms control for the US politicians is extremely limited which is one reason this Ukraine mess is so dangerous.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty. The Russians responded by creating new weapons that are less susceptible to missile defenses or completely immune. Since the Western ABM defense probably doesn't work too well, we have actually tipped the MAD balance in Russia's favor! Great job crazy idiots. Predictably, the US will want to develop new weapons to restore MAD parity so there will be strong forces against arms control treaties. One exception could be that Russia sees her own recent developments as bargaining chips for arms control. Of course now that the world has entered the age of bioweapons things are more complicated.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start. These sites have nothing to do with Iran, btw. If we could build up a hint of USA-Russia good faith then a nuclear security framework between our two countries might be enough to induce China to join a three party arrangement.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I’m not sure what steps are possible for the US.

    Going into an election season, bipartisan is difficult to achieve. The Veggie-in-Chief regime is so extreme that they are refusing to raise the debt ceiling even though the House already passed a bill. The corruption issue will likely yield a formal Impeachment and Senate trial.

    Trump’s 2nd term will provide huge opportunities to improve America-Russia relations as the “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth is finally thoroughly debunked.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty

    ABM died over 20 years ago. Do we need a replacement that includes China? Yes. However, trying to link a 20+ year old problem to the current Ukraine fight can only extend that fight. Getting China onboard will take months, possibly years, of negotiations. The situation in Ukraine can not wait that long.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start.

    Closing sites in EE is unworkable. The U.S. needs to replace unstable nations in core Europe that may collapse, notably France and Germany. The UK so screwed up Brexit, that Labour is going to come back into power (shudder). Even Italy may not qualify as reliable. Meloni continues to under perform. I am slowly beginning to think the GR may be correct in his analysis.

    The sane Christian Populist options are in Eastern Europe, Visegrád 4. These moves have nothing to do with Iran or Russia. It has to do with Open Borders and other SJW Muslim Globalist extremism wrecking the reliability of former bulwarks.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    The sane Christian Populist options are in Eastern Europe, Visegrád 4. These moves have nothing to do with Iran or Russia. It has to do with Open Borders and other SJW Muslim Globalist extremism wrecking the reliability of former bulwarks.
     
    If you want to help the Visegrad+ states, you, American nationalists, might want to think about a narrative that could possibly influence the activity of the US diplomatic forces abroad. Pushing Trumpism may not be that great, because it only radicalizes or polarizes people (you can push Trumpism at home, but overseas, in the diplomatic circles, it becomes a scarecrow). These institutes need to represent more conservative Americans (most Americans cannot be bothered to walk in endless Pride parades), but in a way that is not alien to the EEs (for instance, most EEs will not be into Evangelical Christianity, although some will be). You need to find a narrative that is still somewhat conservative regards to non Euro immigration, etc., that is not Trumpian "crazy" but that is conservative but still "freedom oriented" and can still neutralize the rabidly woke narratives that are slowly being filtered into the EE. We need to find a formula there. If it has to be an entirely new formula, then so be it.
  674. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    maybe you should have some kids…:)
     
    Apparently he can't. Putin made him become a thing and he's no longer a man.

    There must be an element of trolling in all of this but, otoh, he does seem to believe in an impending singularity, which was always one of his favorite subjects of interest, so he may believe in it to some extent. Sad in any case. His big intellect made him predict the invasion when most of us couldn't believe Putin was so insane but he missed an excellent chance to distance himself from what was clear to become, competence or incompetence aside, an ugly carnage. The SMO only made sense with a quick Russian victory replacing the regime in Kiev. Once that failed, it's just become a big clusterf*ck. The worst butchery on European soil since WW2 with clear potential to turn into WW3 for no ideological reason. Just a pissing contest to decide if Russia still deserves big power respect or not. There must have been more worthwhile battles during the times of feudal warfare.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature, I decided not to respond to your idiotic provocations in the previous thread ….but level of BS is getting too extreme. So I will reply to some of the crap I was going to from the previous thread:

    In response to somebody ( I think AnonfromTN) about , clearly, taking Khuev is 3 days not being part of SMO , your retarded response was this:

    At this point any dialogue with you breaks apart. Following your logic, we cannot be sure if Russia is really trying to conquer Bakhmut or liberate Donbass at all. All we can know for sure is that if somehow the Ukrainians were to retake Bakhmut or drive the Russians out from Donbass you would be telling us that the intention of taking Bakhmut or liberating Donbass were just fairy tales invented by “Western and Ukie propagandists”.

    There will never be a way to disprove your null hypothesis: that Putin and the Russian military cannot possibly have embarked in a gigantic screw up, regardless of what our eyes tell us.

    Errrr……once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 – that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead. How the f**k are you stupid enough to compare Donbass liberation, what all Donbass and majority of Russia have asked for 8 years…..to something like reunifying with Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev etc you idiot – something nobody was even talking about until western disinfo whoring in the week leading up to SMO?

    The intent to take Kiev is a fairy tale

    So what was the multi-pronged attack that reached the outskirts of Kiev from two sides a clever ruse for? What was accomplished by sending the bulk of the SMO forces towards Kiev at the cost of hundreds (probably thousands) of lives of Russian soldiers and vast quantities of tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, planes, trucks, etc?

    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit. If we take Kiev then with all the surrounding areas we would be compelled to liberate simultaneously, that is about 15 million new Russians, immediately . For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that’s the MINIMUM you stupid idiot, because in reality as we know from the ukronazi scum genocide actions since 2014 – pensions won’t be paid if they remain on liberated territory (OK, pension I will included in the 10k per civilian). State salaries will not be paid, ukronazi oligarchs will either refuse to pay salaries, get sanctioned or assets taken if they do pay to keep the business running……or Russia will nationalise their companies. Add in road maintenance, schools , hospitals blablabla….I would guess that at 6 trillion Rb for 1 years work in 404 – MINIMUM.
    Is there any guarantee that a sane government in 404 would actually have access to state funds for salaries, infrastructure, services spending etc if there was a Russian installed government? In reality those funds would be frozen by their western masters, and either a government in exile or in the west would immediately have been setup

    …….Federal Budget of Russia is 25 Trillion. You seriously think a desire to minimise economic effects from extreme sanctions of the west as shown by the only 2% GDP loss and already started growth this year would be schizophrenically contradicted by all the rest of Russia having 25% of all public spending removed from them immediately? How much of a diseased faggot are you? Stupid prick.

    WTF? “What was accomplished”? Are you serious you deranged POS? the land corridor to Crimea was gained – something west and Banderastan had spent millions of manhours and billions of dollars and fortifications to stop from happening, as was control of Azov coast,Lugansk liberated, much of Donersk region, effective control of Black Sea Coast – blockade or unblockade of black sea coast is entirely at Russia’s discretion, radioactive material taken from Chernobyl, control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant ( you’re too thick to realise that control of it was basically the WORST-permutation possible for 404 in evaluation of any Russian action, control of it is probably worth more than control of 5 of the biggest 10 cities in Ukraine)

    True that Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye is being targeted by these satanists,clearly NATO is in these boundaries that we now recognise as our own – but have you seen anything to dispute the fact that the west de jure recognises Crimea as part of Russia , you diseased faggot? Where are the long range weapons targeting Crimea? Not a single thing (for now). OK so we know that NATO has been tested on recognition of Banderastan borders and on “ownership” of Black Sea.On both highly strategic issues its proven that Russia owns both where Crimea starts, and is the ruler of the Black Sea (certainly the territorial waters of 404 in Black Sea , and Azov).

    What can or is NATO then doing about Belarus or Caspian Sea?…..f**k all.

    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered……..you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Errrr……once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 – that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead.

    If you believe that he did not intend to take Kiev and the entire country then what was the point of this 40 mile column of supply and armor:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHA6maU4E40

    You're trying to engage in historical revisionism. It was already leaked that he planned on taking the entire country and was going to add them to the empire.
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234

    Why waste your time (and vitriol) on something that is totally inconsequential? Dogs bark, while the caravan keeps moving ahead.

    A lot of Westerners have various delusions, so what? In the old days KGB had a whole department whose task was to misinform and deceive the enemy. When the enemy is doing this to itself, FSB can save money and direct its efforts to more pressing tasks. That’s all there is to it.

  675. @Gerard1234
    @Mikel

    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature, I decided not to respond to your idiotic provocations in the previous thread ....but level of BS is getting too extreme. So I will reply to some of the crap I was going to from the previous thread:

    In response to somebody ( I think AnonfromTN) about , clearly, taking Khuev is 3 days not being part of SMO , your retarded response was this:


    At this point any dialogue with you breaks apart. Following your logic, we cannot be sure if Russia is really trying to conquer Bakhmut or liberate Donbass at all. All we can know for sure is that if somehow the Ukrainians were to retake Bakhmut or drive the Russians out from Donbass you would be telling us that the intention of taking Bakhmut or liberating Donbass were just fairy tales invented by “Western and Ukie propagandists”.

    There will never be a way to disprove your null hypothesis: that Putin and the Russian military cannot possibly have embarked in a gigantic screw up, regardless of what our eyes tell us.
     
    Errrr......once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 - that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead. How the f**k are you stupid enough to compare Donbass liberation, what all Donbass and majority of Russia have asked for 8 years.....to something like reunifying with Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev etc you idiot - something nobody was even talking about until western disinfo whoring in the week leading up to SMO?

    The intent to take Kiev is a fairy tale

    So what was the multi-pronged attack that reached the outskirts of Kiev from two sides a clever ruse for? What was accomplished by sending the bulk of the SMO forces towards Kiev at the cost of hundreds (probably thousands) of lives of Russian soldiers and vast quantities of tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, planes, trucks, etc?
     
    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit. If we take Kiev then with all the surrounding areas we would be compelled to liberate simultaneously, that is about 15 million new Russians, immediately . For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that's the MINIMUM you stupid idiot, because in reality as we know from the ukronazi scum genocide actions since 2014 - pensions won't be paid if they remain on liberated territory (OK, pension I will included in the 10k per civilian). State salaries will not be paid, ukronazi oligarchs will either refuse to pay salaries, get sanctioned or assets taken if they do pay to keep the business running......or Russia will nationalise their companies. Add in road maintenance, schools , hospitals blablabla....I would guess that at 6 trillion Rb for 1 years work in 404 - MINIMUM.
    Is there any guarantee that a sane government in 404 would actually have access to state funds for salaries, infrastructure, services spending etc if there was a Russian installed government? In reality those funds would be frozen by their western masters, and either a government in exile or in the west would immediately have been setup


    .......Federal Budget of Russia is 25 Trillion. You seriously think a desire to minimise economic effects from extreme sanctions of the west as shown by the only 2% GDP loss and already started growth this year would be schizophrenically contradicted by all the rest of Russia having 25% of all public spending removed from them immediately? How much of a diseased faggot are you? Stupid prick.


    WTF? "What was accomplished"? Are you serious you deranged POS? the land corridor to Crimea was gained - something west and Banderastan had spent millions of manhours and billions of dollars and fortifications to stop from happening, as was control of Azov coast,Lugansk liberated, much of Donersk region, effective control of Black Sea Coast - blockade or unblockade of black sea coast is entirely at Russia's discretion, radioactive material taken from Chernobyl, control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant ( you're too thick to realise that control of it was basically the WORST-permutation possible for 404 in evaluation of any Russian action, control of it is probably worth more than control of 5 of the biggest 10 cities in Ukraine)

    True that Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye is being targeted by these satanists,clearly NATO is in these boundaries that we now recognise as our own - but have you seen anything to dispute the fact that the west de jure recognises Crimea as part of Russia , you diseased faggot? Where are the long range weapons targeting Crimea? Not a single thing (for now). OK so we know that NATO has been tested on recognition of Banderastan borders and on "ownership" of Black Sea.On both highly strategic issues its proven that Russia owns both where Crimea starts, and is the ruler of the Black Sea (certainly the territorial waters of 404 in Black Sea , and Azov).

    What can or is NATO then doing about Belarus or Caspian Sea?.....f**k all.

    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered........you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Errrr……once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 – that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead.

    If you believe that he did not intend to take Kiev and the entire country then what was the point of this 40 mile column of supply and armor:

    You’re trying to engage in historical revisionism. It was already leaked that he planned on taking the entire country and was going to add them to the empire.
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    You didn't respond to Gerard's valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  676. Can’t help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.

    Look at this opening sentence from Gerad1234:
    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature

    Calls someone a deranged cockroach and then describes himself as a diplomat in nature in the next sentence.

    Diplomat:
    a person who can deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.

    Let’s see some more comments form this sensitive people person:

    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit
    ..
    For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that’s the MINIMUM you stupid idiot
    ..
    Stupid prick.
    ..
    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered……..you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Not sure if Putin defenders are normally this unhinged and CAPS-prone or are just losing it mentally over the war. I’m going to guess the former.

    Gerard1234 sounds exactly like people specialist from office space:

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Can’t help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.
     
    Please show some more respect to Gerard going forward. It may not look like it to you because you haven't spent enough time here but I'm sure he is right when he says that he's been self-censoring himself. In fact, I was getting worried that after so many months making comments against Putin and the SMO he wasn't responding at all. But finally he has. Thanks Gerard, now I feel better.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    Laxa was right, Gerard-like commenters/people are very useful - even if RF will be kicked out of Crimea, they will continue pontificating from the high mountains about the crushing Putin triumph and ensuing stability and prosperity upon Kremlin wisemen guidance;) It works as a mental painkiller and helps to remain calm for the patients instead of thrashing around in desperation and making damage to themselves and others.

    Replies: @Beckow

  677. AP says:
    @songbird
    What explains AP's distaste for the English, I wonder?

    Is it cultural integration with post 1965-regime in the US? Common attitude of rootless late-comers seeking status against original stock? Eastern European cultural milieu? (Polish? Communist?)

    ...or could he be a crypto-Indian?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AP

    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?

    Who said I had a distaste for the English? I feel sad that they have allowed their charming homelands to be diluted by non-Europeans. If I disliked them, this would not be viewed by me as a negative thing. I like Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and English post-punk music.

    More interesting is why you, an Irishman, are so eager to leap to their defense all the time?

    My take on the English is that they are the very refined and ultimate heirs of the Vikings, creating a very just, nice and orderly (within reason) society for themselves while also being rather ruthless and sophisticated raiders. Within their homelands they have created an excellent combination of gentleness, prosperity and pleasant aesthetics. Many of us non-Anglos are lucky and privileged to have been able to settle in the Angloshere. It’s a damn shame that the English themselves seem to have soured on their own brilliant legacy.

    Those whom they colonized got the bad end of the deal (others such as Spaniards were more humane) because the English were tough, ruthless and savvy invaders and exploiters who made sure to get themselves the best deal, but to the extent that the victims can learn from and emulate their former masters, they can do well too. Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel are probably positive examples. Dima was mentioning this, about English “software.”

    I am grateful for Anglo support for Ukraine.

    or could he be a crypto-Indian?

    Well, a couple thousand years ago some distant cousins of my distant ancestors did move down there.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP


    More interesting is why you, an Irishman, are so eager to leap to their defense all the time?
     
    Have expressed myself before on this point. To recap:

    1.) The English are used as a convenient proxy. If they are brought down in status, it will hardly help other Europeans.
    2.) Only so much room in Irish public attention (as in any other people). Focusing too much on the English is to blind to the severe and immediate threat of invasion and dispossession by the global south. Not to mention, hurting the English does not help the Irish.
    3.) They are a related people. More closely related than people within many other single countries, not to mention I have relatives who are part English, both in America and abroad.
    4.) Even if they were alien, like the Japanese, I have appreciated parts of their culture and would not approve of what is being done to them.
    5.) 'Anglophobia' is not integral to Irish history. Most of the lessons can take more general forms like absentee landlords, lack of rootedness, or class strife, etc.
    6.) Don't want to sound blackpillled about it, but on some levels they seem like a defeated people. How many of them are even left? Must be much less than the census (already alarming). A lot of the people who now call themselves 'British' look like Southern Slavs, etc.

    I would not badmouth the Sioux everyday, even though I am sure they were fantastic savages in their time, because I think it would be in bad taste.

    Anyway, I think Europeans need to cultivate a shared identity. Not necessarily blend into one, but at least have some asabiyyah, and bury the old hatchets.
  678. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW

    I'm not sure it's so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences. Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014. This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.

    As for the precedent of fighting in Russia, I'm not sure it feels so unusual, if you remember until about 2012, there was regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.
    -

    Btw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoXPUHOqWdE

    Replies: @LatW

    I’m not sure it’s so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences.

    Well, previously there were very loose and relaxed borders (except for a few minor border treaty disputes and those cases were there was conflict, such as Azeri-Armenian, it’s a large space so let’s just stick with the European part for now). There was no real need for “secured border fences”, that only appeared in 2014 and later during the artificially engineered refugee crisis on the Belarusian border with Lithuania & Poland. There was no need to be on alert (seemingly).

    [MORE]

    Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014.

    Yes, but they are not combatants from a country that you are at war with. Or as Russians call Ukraine now (and other European countries) вражеское государство – a hostile state (or country). 🙁

    This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.

    Well, that was exactly my point. That it can go both ways. That one thinks he can walk into another country in order to commit violent crime there or pretend like he owns something there and do this with impunity and without fear of slightest punishment… that is a phenomenon. Not a new one.

    Under normal natural circumstances, such things typically are not allowed to fester or even take place, if a country or a tribe has any self-respect. Once they have capacity to withstand such disrespect and transgressions, they will. So the Russian military can “walk into Ukraine” and murder Ukraine’s sons, then the same can happen to Russia. I don’t get why people find this shocking, when Dmytro Yarosh acknowledged this even before the war began (when he said “this will be a total war”)! These psychological barriers will be overcome. Is it good? No, but it’s the reality.

    regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.

    Those are low grade insurgencies (although they were quite serious, since they took up a lot of resources from the special forces units, it was constant work that was quite dangerous in fact). That’s different. Those are technically Russian subjects (but it’s still telling that they were fighting). This is different – this is military hardware coming in from the territory of a “hostile state”. That hasn’t taken place since 1944 or so.

    Btw

    Sigh… well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can. You know, under normal circumstances, I couldn’t care less, who lives where or who sleeps with who or what citizenship they choose to have for their kids. It really wouldn’t matter at all if it wasn’t for the dead Ukrainian girls in the rubble and the destroyed cities. That these scum can live in luxury while propagating and waging a war on innocent populations… it’s beyond vile…

    On the other hand… it’s probably exactly this kind of complacency, not caring what these elites do or that they are completely out of control, that led to all this… Elites must be held to very high standards, post-Soviet elites probably in particular. Until they learn.

    This report is well done, btw. Quite professional (assuming it’s accurate which it seems it is). These reports are good, but they are too light. Armed men need to fix this.

    Nevertheless… He needs to be released and soon. He needs to summon all his strength and just hang in there, freedom is coming. But he will be a shadow of the man he once was when he comes out… 🙁

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    “walk into Ukraine” and murder Ukraine’
     
    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn't stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders' desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.

    Until Putin was the 40 years old, the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn't go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.

    It's rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but even after the early deaths of the older generation in multiple events of the incorrectly managed public health crisis, most of the population is still born in the USSR, Bruce Springsteen copyright was ignored.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions. Between Russia and Kazakhstan, there isn't so much border. If people don't follow the roads, they can accidentally go to the wrong country.


    military hardware coming in from the territory of a “hostile state”. That hasn’t taken place since 1944

     

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

    Chechen independence forces, were also in this way exparts of the Soviet army, who were using the Soviet military equipment supported by many local politicians, just without international recognition, support or stabilization. Fighting there was still like civil wars of parts of the Soviet army.

    -

    There are different ways you can interpret this. If you view in the short term perspective, it could look like a significant historical events. But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.

    A large part of the internationally recognized Colombian territory is not controlled by Bogota for decades, but alternative armies like FARC have control of regions of the country. There is like non-astroturf version of DNR or LNR.

    Replies: @LatW

  679. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:

    https://hungarytoday.hu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/D_MTI20230521010-1536x1024.jpg

    Qatar has been of crucial importance for Europe, since in the past year "a large part of theRussian gas missing from the European economy has been replaced by LNG from thatcountry", Viktor Orbán said in a video published on Facebook on Monday.
    The prime minister announced that Hungary would also buy gas from Qatar in future.
    Orbán arrived in Doha on an offi cial visit on Sunday. In his video, he said he had had “long,exhausting and successful talks” with the emir of Qatar.
    Orbán noted Qatar’s outstanding economic performance and its presence across the world.He also said Qatar was “in the peace camp”, which had an interest in an urgent settlement ofthe war in Ukraine, adding that Qatar was willing to mediate in the interest of peace talks.
    Orbán said an agreement had been reached concerning Hungary’s gas purchases from Qatar,adding that “standing on several feet is better than on one foot”.
    “We have seen eye to eye in infrastructure projects, airport development, cooperation in thecommunications industry … we even concluded agreements in agriculture,” he said. “Goodperspectives have opened up for bilateral economic cooperation,” the prime minister said.
     
    https://www.budapesttimes.hu/diplomacy/orban-qatar-key-for-europe/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:

    And he promptly kicks the SJW rehab guards in the teeth and escapes their control …. Again. (1)

    Hungary President VIKTOR ORBAN: “It’s obvious that there is no victory for poor Ukrainians on the battlefield.. escalation should be stopped and we should argue in favor of peace and negotiation.”

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has once again spoken the quiet part out loud, as he continues to be a thorn in the side of NATO and the EU regarding continually escalating arms deliveries to Ukraine, with F-16 fighter jets poised to be delivered to Kiev in the near future.

    The first day of the annual Qatar Economic Forum (QEF) included a speech and on-stage interview by Orban wherein he bluntly stated that Ukraine can’t win the war against Russia, short of NATO directly sending troops – which it isn’t willing to do, and which Hungary stands against.

    He also reminded the West that the Hungarian government isn’t part of the “mainstream” European Union approach to the war, but has pursued attempts at peaceful negotiations.

    The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start,” he said. He explained this is the only path forward given Kiev can’t win.

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-obvious-there-will-be-no-victory-poor-ukrainians-orban

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    “The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start,”
     
    Maybe Orban has fewer delusions than many European nonentities and their masters, but he still has delusions. That option was on the cards in the first month or two of SMO. After the empire and its sidekicks started pouring ammo and weapons into so-called “Ukraine”, this option disappeared. The only option is unconditional capitulation of the third-rate imperial puppets in Kiev and conditional capitulation of their puppeteers.
    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    There is no way that Ukraine can defend Kiev.

    Everyone knows that. This war will be over within weeks.

    - Putin defenders last year including MacGregor, Larry Johnson, Anglin, Pepe and Ritter

  680. @Gerard1234
    @Mikel

    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature, I decided not to respond to your idiotic provocations in the previous thread ....but level of BS is getting too extreme. So I will reply to some of the crap I was going to from the previous thread:

    In response to somebody ( I think AnonfromTN) about , clearly, taking Khuev is 3 days not being part of SMO , your retarded response was this:


    At this point any dialogue with you breaks apart. Following your logic, we cannot be sure if Russia is really trying to conquer Bakhmut or liberate Donbass at all. All we can know for sure is that if somehow the Ukrainians were to retake Bakhmut or drive the Russians out from Donbass you would be telling us that the intention of taking Bakhmut or liberating Donbass were just fairy tales invented by “Western and Ukie propagandists”.

    There will never be a way to disprove your null hypothesis: that Putin and the Russian military cannot possibly have embarked in a gigantic screw up, regardless of what our eyes tell us.
     
    Errrr......once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 - that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead. How the f**k are you stupid enough to compare Donbass liberation, what all Donbass and majority of Russia have asked for 8 years.....to something like reunifying with Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev etc you idiot - something nobody was even talking about until western disinfo whoring in the week leading up to SMO?

    The intent to take Kiev is a fairy tale

    So what was the multi-pronged attack that reached the outskirts of Kiev from two sides a clever ruse for? What was accomplished by sending the bulk of the SMO forces towards Kiev at the cost of hundreds (probably thousands) of lives of Russian soldiers and vast quantities of tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters, planes, trucks, etc?
     
    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit. If we take Kiev then with all the surrounding areas we would be compelled to liberate simultaneously, that is about 15 million new Russians, immediately . For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that's the MINIMUM you stupid idiot, because in reality as we know from the ukronazi scum genocide actions since 2014 - pensions won't be paid if they remain on liberated territory (OK, pension I will included in the 10k per civilian). State salaries will not be paid, ukronazi oligarchs will either refuse to pay salaries, get sanctioned or assets taken if they do pay to keep the business running......or Russia will nationalise their companies. Add in road maintenance, schools , hospitals blablabla....I would guess that at 6 trillion Rb for 1 years work in 404 - MINIMUM.
    Is there any guarantee that a sane government in 404 would actually have access to state funds for salaries, infrastructure, services spending etc if there was a Russian installed government? In reality those funds would be frozen by their western masters, and either a government in exile or in the west would immediately have been setup


    .......Federal Budget of Russia is 25 Trillion. You seriously think a desire to minimise economic effects from extreme sanctions of the west as shown by the only 2% GDP loss and already started growth this year would be schizophrenically contradicted by all the rest of Russia having 25% of all public spending removed from them immediately? How much of a diseased faggot are you? Stupid prick.


    WTF? "What was accomplished"? Are you serious you deranged POS? the land corridor to Crimea was gained - something west and Banderastan had spent millions of manhours and billions of dollars and fortifications to stop from happening, as was control of Azov coast,Lugansk liberated, much of Donersk region, effective control of Black Sea Coast - blockade or unblockade of black sea coast is entirely at Russia's discretion, radioactive material taken from Chernobyl, control of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant ( you're too thick to realise that control of it was basically the WORST-permutation possible for 404 in evaluation of any Russian action, control of it is probably worth more than control of 5 of the biggest 10 cities in Ukraine)

    True that Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye is being targeted by these satanists,clearly NATO is in these boundaries that we now recognise as our own - but have you seen anything to dispute the fact that the west de jure recognises Crimea as part of Russia , you diseased faggot? Where are the long range weapons targeting Crimea? Not a single thing (for now). OK so we know that NATO has been tested on recognition of Banderastan borders and on "ownership" of Black Sea.On both highly strategic issues its proven that Russia owns both where Crimea starts, and is the ruler of the Black Sea (certainly the territorial waters of 404 in Black Sea , and Azov).

    What can or is NATO then doing about Belarus or Caspian Sea?.....f**k all.

    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered........you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Why waste your time (and vitriol) on something that is totally inconsequential? Dogs bark, while the caravan keeps moving ahead.

    A lot of Westerners have various delusions, so what? In the old days KGB had a whole department whose task was to misinform and deceive the enemy. When the enemy is doing this to itself, FSB can save money and direct its efforts to more pressing tasks. That’s all there is to it.

  681. LatW says:
    @John Johnson
    @German_reader


    that is being attacked from within by its own people
     
    That’s just propagandistic bs, these “Free Russians” are based in and supported by Ukraine.

    How do you know that? Over 300k men have left Russia because they don't want to be buried for this stupid war. Are they all based in Ukraine?

    It's really pathetic that you and others have such a hard time with the possibility of there being Russians that don't want to live under a mass murdering dwarf.

    Some poor Russian was living just fine and today he has to die for the dictator. And for what? So Putin can take Donbas? NATO expanded, free Ukraine remains, over 100k dead on both sides....what was the point again?

    This is what real men look like:

    https://youtu.be/Bt_Ei1aGi_M?t=20

    Putin will never be a real man. Just a bitter little boy trapped in the body of a dwarf.

    Replies: @LatW

    This is what real men look like

    Indeed. These are men who care about their society and what kind of society they will live in. And who are realistic enough to understand that freedom is not free. For example, Caesar has known for years (at least 10 or so) that only armed resistance will have any impact, not waving white ribbons and just chanting slogans like “We are the power here” – a famous Russian non-systemic liberal slogan which means exactly nothing since they have exactly zero political power. They can scream that before they are hit with a baton and put away, while these guys are armed. Mentally and physically.

    [MORE]

    They are not only friendlies, but also our allies. They will be able to put the foot down against the woke crazies, too, because they care about having control over their posterity.

    They will earn respect (which they already have) as freedom fighters and then it will be harder for the liberals to go against them. After the war it’ll be like, “Well, what did you do…”. The likes of Khodorkovsky can say that say that they sat in exile and talked about democracy.

    These ones also have experience from the mistakes of the past generations – they see what happened to the nationalists after 1991 and what happened to the Right Sector after the Maidan (they were pushed aside), they are aware of these dynamics of the powers trying to remove them “after the job is done”. Whether they will succeed in avoiding that, it is a question, but at least they are aware of this potential vulnerability.

    Btw, there are two groups – one very moderate (Freedom of Russia Legion) and the Volunteer Corps (RDK) who are far-right (with classical Italian influences). They were in sort of competition and had rather significant ideological differences, but they came together recently out of necessity to combine their strengths, if needed.

    Don’t ever believe when they are called “Nazis”, that is bs. Even the group that is “naughtier” is very Euro friendly (and could find their spot in the European political spectrum).

  682. @A123
    @sudden death


    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:
     
    And he promptly kicks the SJW rehab guards in the teeth and escapes their control .... Again. (1)

    Hungary President VIKTOR ORBAN: "It's obvious that there is no victory for poor Ukrainians on the battlefield.. escalation should be stopped and we should argue in favor of peace and negotiation."

     

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has once again spoken the quiet part out loud, as he continues to be a thorn in the side of NATO and the EU regarding continually escalating arms deliveries to Ukraine, with F-16 fighter jets poised to be delivered to Kiev in the near future.

    The first day of the annual Qatar Economic Forum (QEF) included a speech and on-stage interview by Orban wherein he bluntly stated that Ukraine can't win the war against Russia, short of NATO directly sending troops - which it isn't willing to do, and which Hungary stands against.

    He also reminded the West that the Hungarian government isn't part of the "mainstream" European Union approach to the war, but has pursued attempts at peaceful negotiations.

    "The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start," he said. He explained this is the only path forward given Kiev can't win.
     

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-obvious-there-will-be-no-victory-poor-ukrainians-orban

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    “The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start,”

    Maybe Orban has fewer delusions than many European nonentities and their masters, but he still has delusions. That option was on the cards in the first month or two of SMO. After the empire and its sidekicks started pouring ammo and weapons into so-called “Ukraine”, this option disappeared. The only option is unconditional capitulation of the third-rate imperial puppets in Kiev and conditional capitulation of their puppeteers.

  683. @A123
    @sudden death


    The most severe RF pipeline natgas addict of EU goes to rehabilitation center:
     
    And he promptly kicks the SJW rehab guards in the teeth and escapes their control .... Again. (1)

    Hungary President VIKTOR ORBAN: "It's obvious that there is no victory for poor Ukrainians on the battlefield.. escalation should be stopped and we should argue in favor of peace and negotiation."

     

    Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has once again spoken the quiet part out loud, as he continues to be a thorn in the side of NATO and the EU regarding continually escalating arms deliveries to Ukraine, with F-16 fighter jets poised to be delivered to Kiev in the near future.

    The first day of the annual Qatar Economic Forum (QEF) included a speech and on-stage interview by Orban wherein he bluntly stated that Ukraine can't win the war against Russia, short of NATO directly sending troops - which it isn't willing to do, and which Hungary stands against.

    He also reminded the West that the Hungarian government isn't part of the "mainstream" European Union approach to the war, but has pursued attempts at peaceful negotiations.

    "The only solution is ceasefire, and then after the ceasefire, peace talks should start," he said. He explained this is the only path forward given Kiev can't win.
     

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-obvious-there-will-be-no-victory-poor-ukrainians-orban

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    When will the Kiev regime stop the killing? Ukie Maximalism cannot win, and everyone knows that.

    There is no way that Ukraine can defend Kiev.

    Everyone knows that. This war will be over within weeks.

    – Putin defenders last year including MacGregor, Larry Johnson, Anglin, Pepe and Ritter

  684. LatW says:
    @A123
    @QCIC


    the US does something solid immediately and also demonstrates bipartisan congressional support. I’m not sure what steps are possible for the US.
     
    Going into an election season, bipartisan is difficult to achieve. The Veggie-in-Chief regime is so extreme that they are refusing to raise the debt ceiling even though the House already passed a bill. The corruption issue will likely yield a formal Impeachment and Senate trial.

    Trump's 2nd term will provide huge opportunities to improve America-Russia relations as the "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth is finally thoroughly debunked.

    The US damaged the MAD framework by dropping out of the ABM treaty
     
    ABM died over 20 years ago. Do we need a replacement that includes China? Yes. However, trying to link a 20+ year old problem to the current Ukraine fight can only extend that fight. Getting China onboard will take months, possibly years, of negotiations. The situation in Ukraine can not wait that long.

    The only steps relatively easy for the US would be to close the missile sites in Eastern Europe and revive Open Skies. These moves are completely token and symbolic, but might be a good start.
     
    Closing sites in EE is unworkable. The U.S. needs to replace unstable nations in core Europe that may collapse, notably France and Germany. The UK so screwed up Brexit, that Labour is going to come back into power (shudder). Even Italy may not qualify as reliable. Meloni continues to under perform. I am slowly beginning to think the GR may be correct in his analysis.

    The sane Christian Populist options are in Eastern Europe, Visegrád 4. These moves have nothing to do with Iran or Russia. It has to do with Open Borders and other SJW Muslim Globalist extremism wrecking the reliability of former bulwarks.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    The sane Christian Populist options are in Eastern Europe, Visegrád 4. These moves have nothing to do with Iran or Russia. It has to do with Open Borders and other SJW Muslim Globalist extremism wrecking the reliability of former bulwarks.

    If you want to help the Visegrad+ states, you, American nationalists, might want to think about a narrative that could possibly influence the activity of the US diplomatic forces abroad. Pushing Trumpism may not be that great, because it only radicalizes or polarizes people (you can push Trumpism at home, but overseas, in the diplomatic circles, it becomes a scarecrow). These institutes need to represent more conservative Americans (most Americans cannot be bothered to walk in endless Pride parades), but in a way that is not alien to the EEs (for instance, most EEs will not be into Evangelical Christianity, although some will be). You need to find a narrative that is still somewhat conservative regards to non Euro immigration, etc., that is not Trumpian “crazy” but that is conservative but still “freedom oriented” and can still neutralize the rabidly woke narratives that are slowly being filtered into the EE. We need to find a formula there. If it has to be an entirely new formula, then so be it.

  685. @John Johnson
    Can't help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.

    Look at this opening sentence from Gerad1234:
    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature

    Calls someone a deranged cockroach and then describes himself as a diplomat in nature in the next sentence.

    Diplomat:
    a person who can deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.

    Let's see some more comments form this sensitive people person:

    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit
    ..
    For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that’s the MINIMUM you stupid idiot
    ..
    Stupid prick.
    ..
    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered……..you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Not sure if Putin defenders are normally this unhinged and CAPS-prone or are just losing it mentally over the war. I'm going to guess the former.

    Gerard1234 sounds exactly like people specialist from office space:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcIMIyQnOso

    Replies: @Mikel, @sudden death

    Can’t help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.

    Please show some more respect to Gerard going forward. It may not look like it to you because you haven’t spent enough time here but I’m sure he is right when he says that he’s been self-censoring himself. In fact, I was getting worried that after so many months making comments against Putin and the SMO he wasn’t responding at all. But finally he has. Thanks Gerard, now I feel better.

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel

    Gerard is funny because of his uninhibited nature (in a grotesque way), but why should anyone show him respect when he himself has chosen to blatantly disrespect so many posters here? He should receive back exactly what he has been dishing out. You can be graceful and forgive him a few times, but not forever.

    I know you were being ironic, but this is still merited.

    He could turn things around with one swift move and become a friend, yet he doesn't want to. That's his choice. He can stay that way and enjoy his isolation to be coming soon.

    Replies: @Mikel

  686. @German_reader
    @AP


    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.
     
    That much is true. As I've written before, imo Russia definitely went much too far with its invasion of February 2022, so a strong reaction was appropriate.

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War.
     
    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there's a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine...all the more since so many of Russia's previous "red lines" have already been crossed without consequences. But who knows how long this luck will continue. Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia's historic core territories (there wasn't even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all). Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development. And there are of course also other factors, like China's potential involvement on Russia's side.
    Essentially it's a high stakes gamble. If it succeeds and Russia is destroyed as a great power, that's of course great from the pov of those invested in American global hegemony (I have my own issues with that, but let's leave that aside for the moment). But if it doesn't, the results could be catastrophic.

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable.
     
    I don't agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. "Desperate struggle for existence" makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland's occupation by Germany during WW2, where the eventual outcome would have been existence as a slave people or even physical annihilation. Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia's initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations). Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine. So I don't agree that "all measures are acceptable".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia’s initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations).

    You forgot to mention cultural genocide and the functional end of Ukrainian independence.

    Also, worth noting that the West did support and fund Solidarity in Poland in the 1980s as well as the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the same time.

  687. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Have not read Srinivasan's book about network states. I think his idea is cool in a scifi sense - fun to think about.

    But I have a lot of trouble thinking how it could work. Seems a combination of Truth Social and Esperanto.

    How do you create 'alignment' without a sense of ethnos? How can you even have a country without a military? How do you scale without recreating the problems of open borders? (I.e. lack of selection and rootedness). How do you tax and provide services without bigger states wanting a hand in it? At a minimum, seems like it would need to be a cult or its own religion.

    Though, I guess it is probably a lot more realistic than starting a country in space or on Mars.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Need to look more into the concept (Srinivasan has an entire website about it), but I find it pretty bizarre, like something only the terminally online could ever find plausible. Lots of practical problems (e. g. just the travel expenses for physical meet-ups), plus the crucial question: why should existing states tolerate such a subversion of their sovereignty? The ultimate goal is to take over physical spaces as well after all, and presumably mold them according to the preferences of a specific community (which also makes a mockery of Karlin’s Open Borderism, something like that would obviously have to include some amount of implicit exclusion). The idea that this would just be accepted and even be granted diplomatic recognition sounds rather fantastical.
    Ironically, if it were possible, this would obviously be highly attractive as a strategy to rightoids…just think of White Nationalist network states (another reason why this concept would be likely to be crushed by the state, if it ever gained some traction).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Yep, the US doesn't even tolerate racially restrictive covenants since 1948. And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant than it was back in 1948?

    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich? Because there's a similar problem with open borders: One can easily advocate in favor of open borders while one personally lives in a gated community, but for everyone else, it's nowhere near as easy to do this.

    Replies: @German_reader

  688. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Genetics is not so different, but the history of countries diverged.
     
    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.


    https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/religious-divisions-of-europe-map-austrasia-hajnal-line.png


    Egypt has multiple higher income than North Korea, which has the same “genetic engineering” as South Korea.
     
    North Korea is evidently kept down by an extreme form of communism, which almost every HBDer recognizes. You are highlighting the exception which proves the rule, insofar as very few high IQ nations are poor, and picking out the 3-4 outliers doesn't negate the reliability or validity of IQ in predicting economic success. The HBD argument isn't that genetics determines destiny, but that it plays an importantrole, especially in the modern age, where cognitive capability is critical to industrial development.

    If "governance software" were the key factor, then explain why out of the 20 Latin American countries, not a single one comes close to Spain's (or Portugal's) developmental level, despite being culturally and politically modeled upon their mother country?

    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png

    Why does India, despite being governed mostly by an Oxbridge-educated Anglophonic elite, not come anywhere close to Singapore's level of development? Did it not occur to any of India's leaders to come up with the zany idea of modelling their government after British norms and institutions. You think Nehru, steeped in J.S. Mill and other British thinkers, was incapable of absorbing the ideas of his intellectual idols, and putting them into practice?

    Why does India, which possessed relatively sane and competent leaders over the past 70 years, still lag Russia in economic development, despite the stranglehold exerted by Bolshevism and Communism on the latter country? You think Stalin imported better governmental software than Nehru?


    https://i.ibb.co/NFQgKKc/Screenshot-2023-05-22-232957.png


    Is it a coincidence that 95%+ of Eastern European nations reached upper income levels as soon as the Iron Curtain fell down, while no Latin American, African or South Asian country did?


    Poland is a European civilization, next to Germany, now with EU membership. They received hundreds of billions of dollars from the EU (something like a third of Egypt’s GDP), better infrastructure than Germany.

     

    South Korea is not a member of the EU, doesn't receive as much subsidies, yet is richer and more productive than Poland.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

    It is different. Russia falls outside the Hajnal line, Norway inside of it. The European countries within the Hajnal line were characterized by delayed marriage (23-26). comparatively higher non-marriage rates (10-20%) and lower fertility. There is a strong correlation between these variables and a variety of socio-cultural behaviors including attitudes towards individualism, trust, and corruption.

    Makes one wonder just how much better the corruption situation in Eastern Europe would have been without a long history of Communist rule there.

  689. @German_reader
    @songbird

    Need to look more into the concept (Srinivasan has an entire website about it), but I find it pretty bizarre, like something only the terminally online could ever find plausible. Lots of practical problems (e. g. just the travel expenses for physical meet-ups), plus the crucial question: why should existing states tolerate such a subversion of their sovereignty? The ultimate goal is to take over physical spaces as well after all, and presumably mold them according to the preferences of a specific community (which also makes a mockery of Karlin's Open Borderism, something like that would obviously have to include some amount of implicit exclusion). The idea that this would just be accepted and even be granted diplomatic recognition sounds rather fantastical.
    Ironically, if it were possible, this would obviously be highly attractive as a strategy to rightoids...just think of White Nationalist network states (another reason why this concept would be likely to be crushed by the state, if it ever gained some traction).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yep, the US doesn’t even tolerate racially restrictive covenants since 1948. And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant than it was back in 1948?

    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich? Because there’s a similar problem with open borders: One can easily advocate in favor of open borders while one personally lives in a gated community, but for everyone else, it’s nowhere near as easy to do this.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich?
     
    Since you'd need money (and visa etc.) for international travel and for buying property in the offline world, I'd assume so.
    I need to look into the concept, but the idea sounds bizarre to me, a state is defined by sovereignty, the ability to set policies and make laws, ultimately by means of coercion, there's no way some online community could usurp that without coming into conflict with real states...and if you don't have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping. It's like confusing online fandoms or some forum with a political community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

  690. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Can’t help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.
     
    Please show some more respect to Gerard going forward. It may not look like it to you because you haven't spent enough time here but I'm sure he is right when he says that he's been self-censoring himself. In fact, I was getting worried that after so many months making comments against Putin and the SMO he wasn't responding at all. But finally he has. Thanks Gerard, now I feel better.

    Replies: @LatW

    Gerard is funny because of his uninhibited nature (in a grotesque way), but why should anyone show him respect when he himself has chosen to blatantly disrespect so many posters here? He should receive back exactly what he has been dishing out. You can be graceful and forgive him a few times, but not forever.

    I know you were being ironic, but this is still merited.

    He could turn things around with one swift move and become a friend, yet he doesn’t want to. That’s his choice. He can stay that way and enjoy his isolation to be coming soon.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    I know you were being ironic
     
    Yes, a little. But who knows what the future holds. Now that AK is talking to us again, he may return full time and make Gerard the blog moderator, as he threatened he would ..-)
  691. German_reader says:
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader

    I'll focus on commenting on history now to avoid present issues as much as possible (but of course history has obvious important insights for the present and future, hence a key part of history's value).


    Yes, it’s in that 1177 BC book by Cline. More accurately, collapse of trade links leading to cascading systems failure across multiple societies, stopping early “globalization” for several centuries. But iirc Cline is actually skeptical of that explanation, since it might attribute too much importance to long-distance trade.

     

    I think with this it's important to remember that the Ancient Mediterranean was a very different place to the contemporary Mediterranean. Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.

    Although it's true that Rome-Carthage animosity and Punic Wars suggest otherwise, before Punic Wars, Rome and Carthage were very close. Pre-Islamic breakout on Mediterranean meant that there were a lot of casual cultural connections, trade routes, and exchanges despite occasional wars. Perhaps similar to Europe as a common cultural and civilizational space with smooth interactions (aside from occasional wars) pre-20th century. E.g. Phoenicians, Myceneans, Ancient Greeks, Trojans, Romans, Carthaginians, etc. all despite vicissitudes of war and politics interacted closely over many centuries until that relative continuity was shattered by Muslim conquests of 600s. Of course, Greek settlements and Roman conquest helped integrate the Mediterranean as a common space, although Barbarian invasions of late Rome reintroduced some frictions, but nothing as polarizing as Islamic conquests.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.

    That’s pretty much Pirenne’s thesis (Mahomet et Charlemagne). Don’t know what the current state of research on it is, iirc it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests. But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.
    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

     

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I'm no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could've lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.


    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

     

    Agreed, but I think you're understating it with the "presumably", because that "cultural unity" is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

     

    I feel it's a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

  692. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Yep, the US doesn't even tolerate racially restrictive covenants since 1948. And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant than it was back in 1948?

    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich? Because there's a similar problem with open borders: One can easily advocate in favor of open borders while one personally lives in a gated community, but for everyone else, it's nowhere near as easy to do this.

    Replies: @German_reader

    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich?

    Since you’d need money (and visa etc.) for international travel and for buying property in the offline world, I’d assume so.
    I need to look into the concept, but the idea sounds bizarre to me, a state is defined by sovereignty, the ability to set policies and make laws, ultimately by means of coercion, there’s no way some online community could usurp that without coming into conflict with real states…and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping. It’s like confusing online fandoms or some forum with a political community.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    To address Mr. XYZ:


    And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant

     

    Only possible discriminatory mechanism that I heard him mention seems to be paying dues or shared political interest. Presumably this would keep many people out, but I don't see any real workaround to civil rights law. (And how it would be possible to create a network state that advocates against it or other forms of poz)

    In particular, I find it a deficiency that he doesn't mention how trannies dominate a lot of social networks by their bullying and mania. He does not explain how to keep them out.

    and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping.
     
    I've thought of a funny analogy he should use:

    He should say something like "the tremendous political power that gays have was created by their networking ability, moving into urban environments, not having a family life, and being able to meet in segregated bars, etc. We can duplicate the power of gays, by using cyberspace."

    I may have to try to read more of him. Even if he is obviously missing pieces, I think some of his ideas are interesting, like verifiable history leading to better predictions and control theory.

    I wonder what AK's 'One Commandment' would be, since he seems to believe in the idea. book seems to mention some crazy ideas, like a state built around life extension -seems rather to be putting the cart before the horse, in ignoring natalism. IMO, you can't possibly have a state without children.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Agreed. Also, one more thing worth mentioning: Despite Anatoly Karlin's newfound Wokeness of convenience, it's actually ironically incredibly racist to argue in favor of open borders. Why? Because it implies that non-whites other than East Asians (and a few others--Vietnamese, Ashkenazi Jews, Indian Brahmins, et cetera) cannot flourish and prosper unless they live near a lot of whites (or East Asians, etc, but the open borders folks appear to be less passionate about open borders for East Asian countries than for white countries). If that's not racist, then I don't know what is.

    Arguing for open borders is an implicit acknowledgement that decolonization, that legendary progressive cause celebre, has actually been a miserable failure in a lot of places and that a lot of Third Worlders actually prefer white rule to rule by their own countrymen or even to rule by other Third Worlders who are not their own countrymen.

    Replies: @Matra

  693. @AP
    @German_reader

    It's attacked and invaded by a country, but sending troops into the invading country is "bs?"

    Should they also say excuse me and sorry when shooting at the invaders?

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers. Matra is an Anglo, whose people have sadly allowed themselves to get flooded by resentful and hateful foreigners. London is what - 44% native?

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country. I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    It is rather unseemly to have these types resent a country when it is doing all it can to fight for its existence against invaders. Doing what (sadly) their own people would probably not do if faced with similar circumstances.

    I do not dislike either poster (not that it matters), but this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous. Yeah, he does whatever it takes to get bullets and guns to save his people, while your own people don't even shut down rape gangs run by outsiders in your own country that prey on your children. Shame on Zelensky. Oh, those nasty Eastern Europeans.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ, @German_reader, @Mikel

    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.

    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn’t start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.

    My people already have their own country. That’s what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco – Pays Basque (Basque Country). I don’t know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,… A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn’t have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that’s what turns you on.

    In fact, you’re barking up the wrong tree here. Other that the Northern Irish, nobody in Western Europe has done more patriotic killing than my people in the past half of a century. Definitely not the Balts or the Poles either. The Lithuanians did put some corpses on the table but not nearly as many as we did.

    In any case, we’ve discussed this ad nauseam before. How much they’re willing to sacrifice for state structures as opposed to actual self-governance is their decision to make. At least they haven’t been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    I don’t know what that has to do with anything but you’re wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her. Her mother only speaks Spanish so I followed the old tradition of taking the responsibility of passing on the language to her. My American son doesn’t speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US and may even become necessary, the way things are going. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has learned a lot of Ukrainian history on this blog thanks to your efforts. Khmelnitsky, Bandera and Skropadsky have become household names for all the regulars here but, to be honest, I don’t want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous.

    Asking what’s in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization and in all the meddling that preceded it may be off limits in most MSM (look what happened to Tucker) but you’re not going to stamp out that conversation from this blog, no matter how hard you try. I don’t think I’ve ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not). That’s not the big problem. The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well. And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Btw, my disgust at Zelensky and his entourage doesn’t mean that I’m unable to recognize his personal courage and his skills as a military leader, in spite of his clownish origins. The problem with Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro wasn’t the lack of courage and leadership skills.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    At least they haven’t been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.
     
    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct? Have there ever been any issues with, let's say, the French?

    Btw, how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?


    Now that AK is talking to us again, he may return full time and make Gerard the blog moderator, as he threatened he would
     
    Total hilarity. Although I suspect Zhora imbibes a little too much to take on such a serious responsibility full time.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn’t start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.
     
    You don't have Russia as a neighbor.

    Anglos have only been losers for about 30 years. They have allowed their capital to be taken over by often-hostile settlers and many of them (especially many of their elites) denigrate their own glorious civilization.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.


    My people already have their own country. That’s what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco – Pays Basque (Basque Country).
     
    You don't have your own state.

    I don’t know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,… A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn’t have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that’s what turns you on.
     
    Thank you for the info.

    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.

    But, perhaps because you don't have your own state - according to wiki only 28% of Basques (already a small nation) speak their own language.


    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    I don’t know what that has to do with anything but you’re wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her.
     

    Not that it maters (or should matter), but I commend you.

    My American son doesn’t speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US
     
    This is sad.

    to be honest, I don’t want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.
     
    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.

    I'm "assimilated" fine, professionally and socially. I am not deracinated, however. There is a difference.


    Asking what’s in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization
     
    The odds of this are basically zero. If everyone who mattered in the USA thought as you do, Russia would have regained everything to Germany by now, it only would have needed to threaten nukes. That would raise the "existential risk."

    I don’t think I’ve ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not)
     
    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated - the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this "investment" is to punish a country for doing something outrageous - invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.
     
    His job is to get as much support for his country as possible. This is what a normal leader of any country would do. One that values its existence, at least. One that isn't fading away.

    And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.
     
    Russia's clumsy brutality is more simian than is what Ukraine is doing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.

    Invade who? Western Europe?

    I'm throwing down the bullshit card on that statement.

    Zelensky has talked about how Russia planned on invading additional non-NATO countries but he was obviously talking about Eastern Europe. It was in fact leaked that they planned on taking Moldova after Ukraine.

    Go ahead and quote him if you think I am wrong.

  694. @LatW
    @Mikel

    Gerard is funny because of his uninhibited nature (in a grotesque way), but why should anyone show him respect when he himself has chosen to blatantly disrespect so many posters here? He should receive back exactly what he has been dishing out. You can be graceful and forgive him a few times, but not forever.

    I know you were being ironic, but this is still merited.

    He could turn things around with one swift move and become a friend, yet he doesn't want to. That's his choice. He can stay that way and enjoy his isolation to be coming soon.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I know you were being ironic

    Yes, a little. But who knows what the future holds. Now that AK is talking to us again, he may return full time and make Gerard the blog moderator, as he threatened he would ..-)

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
  695. @Mikel
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn't start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.
     
    My people already have their own country. That's what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco - Pays Basque (Basque Country). I don't know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,... A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that's what turns you on.

    In fact, you're barking up the wrong tree here. Other that the Northern Irish, nobody in Western Europe has done more patriotic killing than my people in the past half of a century. Definitely not the Balts or the Poles either. The Lithuanians did put some corpses on the table but not nearly as many as we did.

    In any case, we've discussed this ad nauseam before. How much they're willing to sacrifice for state structures as opposed to actual self-governance is their decision to make. At least they haven't been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.
     
    I don't know what that has to do with anything but you're wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her. Her mother only speaks Spanish so I followed the old tradition of taking the responsibility of passing on the language to her. My American son doesn't speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US and may even become necessary, the way things are going. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned a lot of Ukrainian history on this blog thanks to your efforts. Khmelnitsky, Bandera and Skropadsky have become household names for all the regulars here but, to be honest, I don't want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous.
     
    Asking what's in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization and in all the meddling that preceded it may be off limits in most MSM (look what happened to Tucker) but you're not going to stamp out that conversation from this blog, no matter how hard you try. I don't think I've ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not). That's not the big problem. The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia's goal is to invade us as well. And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Btw, my disgust at Zelensky and his entourage doesn't mean that I'm unable to recognize his personal courage and his skills as a military leader, in spite of his clownish origins. The problem with Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro wasn't the lack of courage and leadership skills.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @John Johnson

    At least they haven’t been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct? Have there ever been any issues with, let’s say, the French?

    Btw, how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?

    Now that AK is talking to us again, he may return full time and make Gerard the blog moderator, as he threatened he would

    Total hilarity. Although I suspect Zhora imbibes a little too much to take on such a serious responsibility full time.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct?
     
    Incorrect. Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.

    how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?
     
    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best. The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea. At least that's what it felt like to me when I vacationed there.

    Replies: @LatW

  696. @German_reader
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Basically, the outburst of Islam and Muslim conquests of North Africa in 600s AD shattered a common Mediterranean intimate interconnection of different non-Muslim groups.
     
    That's pretty much Pirenne's thesis (Mahomet et Charlemagne). Don't know what the current state of research on it is, iirc it's now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests. But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.
    Don't have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here...

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I’m no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could’ve lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.

    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

    I feel it’s a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    I’m no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could’ve lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse.
     
    Yes, in the 5th century. I'm not an expert on this issue either (not much of an "expert" on anything tbh, lol), but iirc it's now believed long-distance trade (and the ecoonomic complexity linked to it) was drastically reduced well before the Islamic conquests. Maybe look at that book by Bryan Ward-Perkins (The end of Rome and the fall of civilization), I think he discusses the evidence from amphorae deposits etc. which hint at such a process, at least in the Western Mediterranean.
    Of course somewhat relative, North Africa, large parts of Italy and even a bit of southern Spain were still under East Roman rule for quite some time after Justinian's reconquest after all, so there still were significant links.

    I feel it’s a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else.
     
    Maybe you should ask Ron Unz in one of his Open Threads, if he can help you change the name (better don't try anything on your own though like via VPN, it could be interpreted as sockpuppetry and lead to a ban).

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @Yahya
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.
     
    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.


    https://i.ibb.co/689ykVk/AC8257-F0-DD19-4-B75-B7-A3-C3398200-AB9-D.jpg


    Facade of the Doge's Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510


    https://i.ibb.co/PMz8Gtt/6-C207849-93-E2-4-FC8-AEA5-3-D70-F9-E293-EA.jpg


    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:


    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Wokechoke, @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency. Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result. Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England. In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Although there is evidence that bubonic plague has been around for as long as humankind, the plague of Justinian is the first documented outbreak of a bubonic plague pandemic. The 6th-century historian Procopius wrote about the Byzantine Empire during Justinian’s reign, and he recounts the devastation wreaked by the plague on Constantinople (later renamed Istanbul), at that time the most important political and cultural centre of the Western world and the hub of Christian civilization.

    [...]

    The plague spread throughout western Europe where it became endemic with localized outbreaks occurring for the next two centuries. However, the worst was over by 590. It is impossible to be certain of the mortality rate during this outbreak. Estimates vary between 25 million and 100 million deaths. About a third of Europe’s population had been wiped out.
     
    https://www.britannica.com/event/plague-of-Justinian

    The Plague of Shiryue[1] (627–628) or Shiruye's Plague[2] takes its name from the Sasanian monarch Kavad II, whose birth name was Shiruye. The plague was an epidemic that devastated the western provinces of the Sasanian Empire, mainly Mesopotamia (Asorestan), killing half of its population,[3] including the reigning Sasanian king Kavad II, who died in the fall of 628 CE, only a few months into his reign.[2][4] It killed more than 100,000 people in Ctesiphon.[5]

    The Plague of Shiruye was one of several epidemics that occurred in or close to Iran within two centuries after the first plague pandemic was brought by the Sasanian armies from its campaigns in Constantinople, Syria, and Armenia.[2] There was a subsequent plague outbreak from 634 to 642 during the reign of Yazdegerd III.[6]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Sheroe

    The Hijrah or Hijra (Arabic: الهجرة) was the journey of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Medina.[1][2] The year in which the Hijrah took place is also identified as the epoch of the Lunar Hijri[a] and Solar Hijri calendars; its date equates to 16 July 622 in the Julian calendar.[3][4][b]
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijrah

    The plague opened the way to the Islamic conquest. Without it the Byzantine and the Sasanian would have crushed the Saracenes.

    Also I couldn't believe there was much long distance trade left during the decades of the plague epidemic.
  697. German_reader says:
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

     

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I'm no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could've lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.


    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

     

    Agreed, but I think you're understating it with the "presumably", because that "cultural unity" is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

     

    I feel it's a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    I’m no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could’ve lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse.

    Yes, in the 5th century. I’m not an expert on this issue either (not much of an “expert” on anything tbh, lol), but iirc it’s now believed long-distance trade (and the ecoonomic complexity linked to it) was drastically reduced well before the Islamic conquests. Maybe look at that book by Bryan Ward-Perkins (The end of Rome and the fall of civilization), I think he discusses the evidence from amphorae deposits etc. which hint at such a process, at least in the Western Mediterranean.
    Of course somewhat relative, North Africa, large parts of Italy and even a bit of southern Spain were still under East Roman rule for quite some time after Justinian’s reconquest after all, so there still were significant links.

    I feel it’s a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else.

    Maybe you should ask Ron Unz in one of his Open Threads, if he can help you change the name (better don’t try anything on your own though like via VPN, it could be interpreted as sockpuppetry and lead to a ban).

    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    I’m not an expert on this issue either (not much of an “expert” on anything tbh, lol)
     
    That's interesting because you give away the impression that you're some sort of historian educated with a PhD diploma or something. Although hard to see how being a historian pays and is commercially profitable. Doesn't feel much different than being a poet or something like that. Seems only real way to earn income as a historian would be from book sales. Fortunately since many periods of history lack solid primary sources and even many issues are contested/debatable, being a historian doesn't seem to be something that AI can easily substitute.

    E.g. I asked ChatGPT 3 (publicly available one) some history questions and while it's decent for basic facts about history that is distant from the present, it feels terrible about nearly everything from 1900s onwards (actually same for even say who really caused 2nd Punic War, Rome or Carthage?). So ChatGPT just gives superficial and evasive mainstream answers about everything from Jewish role in Communist Revolution of 1917 in Russia, why Japan really attacked Pearl Harbor in WW2, 1967 sinking of USS Liberty, real causes and unfolding of Yugoslav Wars and collapse, who really did 9/11, did Saddam Hussein have chemical weapons, and so on.


    Maybe you should ask Ron Unz in one of his Open Threads, if he can help you change the name

     

    Maybe it's just better to stick to discussions of history since current events are just too flammable and chaotic, while being interpreted based upon a lot of outlandish assumptions (e.g. Ukraine War).

    Otherwise, I'm surprised my comment #705 has generated quite a few reactions. Seems that people have strong and powerful opinions about history, not only the present. If people can't agree (or at least form a broad consensus) on history, seems no surprise that they can't agree about the present and future at all.

  698. @John Johnson
    Can't help but notice that the Putin defenders are the most emotional and unhinged.

    Look at this opening sentence from Gerad1234:
    Wow you deranged cockroach. Because I am a diplomat in nature

    Calls someone a deranged cockroach and then describes himself as a diplomat in nature in the next sentence.

    Diplomat:
    a person who can deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.

    Let's see some more comments form this sensitive people person:

    MIMIMUN government social payment per civilian refugee or in liberated lands is 10000 Roubles a month you dumb bag of shit
    ..
    For one year that is 1.8 trillion roubles. But of course that’s the MINIMUM you stupid idiot
    ..
    Stupid prick.
    ..
    plenty more to continue when I can be bothered……..you should be ashamed. Worthless tramp

    Not sure if Putin defenders are normally this unhinged and CAPS-prone or are just losing it mentally over the war. I'm going to guess the former.

    Gerard1234 sounds exactly like people specialist from office space:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcIMIyQnOso

    Replies: @Mikel, @sudden death

    Laxa was right, Gerard-like commenters/people are very useful – even if RF will be kicked out of Crimea, they will continue pontificating from the high mountains about the crushing Putin triumph and ensuing stability and prosperity upon Kremlin wisemen guidance;) It works as a mental painkiller and helps to remain calm for the patients instead of thrashing around in desperation and making damage to themselves and others.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death


    if RF will be kicked out of Crimea...it works as a mental painkiller and helps to remain calm
     
    You do realize that works both ways? If 'RF is not kicked out...' and Ukie-land gradually becomes a shrunken wasteland, angry, resentful, regretful...still not in the 'European club', and strung along by Nato so they can use the Ukie men to die in their wars...

    Any rational person would ask: which one of the two scenarios has better odds? Given that RF out of Crimea would likely mean a nuclear war, I will go with the shrunken Ukielands. Over time you will get used to it too, with or without painkillers...:)

  699. @LatW
    @Mikel


    At least they haven’t been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.
     
    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct? Have there ever been any issues with, let's say, the French?

    Btw, how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?


    Now that AK is talking to us again, he may return full time and make Gerard the blog moderator, as he threatened he would
     
    Total hilarity. Although I suspect Zhora imbibes a little too much to take on such a serious responsibility full time.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct?

    Incorrect. Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.

    how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?

    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best. The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea. At least that’s what it felt like to me when I vacationed there.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.
     
    Ugh, lame. Well, I meant in modern times.

    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best.

     

    Oh, then the season is shorter than I assumed. Well, it's not bad that it's a moderate climate.

    The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea.
     
    Oh, it can get very warm, even up to 30C sometimes (not often, but pretty much every year in July).

    Replies: @Mikel

  700. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    The Basque country has never been desired by any foreign powers, correct?
     
    Incorrect. Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.

    how long does the beach area stay warm over there? Like, how many months per year?
     
    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best. The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea. At least that's what it felt like to me when I vacationed there.

    Replies: @LatW

    Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.

    Ugh, lame. Well, I meant in modern times.

    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best.

    Oh, then the season is shorter than I assumed. Well, it’s not bad that it’s a moderate climate.

    The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea.

    Oh, it can get very warm, even up to 30C sometimes (not often, but pretty much every year in July).

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    Well, I meant in modern times.
     
    Unfortunately, nothing much changed since that fateful invasion, 500 years ago. Just some minor border changes between France and Spain. For a short period of time there was an independent kingdom of sorts in the French Basque Country but they decided to join the Protestant reform and the French ended the experiment.

    As to your question about the French causing issues, Basque nationalism only started in the late 19th century, like all other nationalisms. But it never was as strong in the French Basque Country as in the Spanish one. This is due to the French being more efficient than the Spanish at imposing their culture (though they never managed to eradicate the Basque language) and the lack of a prosperity differential between Basques and French that did develop between Basques and Spaniards after the industrial revolution. Still, a small armed independentist group existed in the French Basque Country in the 60s-80s period. They were called Iparretarrak (the Northerners). The French Basque Country is called Iparralde in Basque (the northern part). This group, like the much larger ETA movement in the South was heavily influenced by Marxism though. This was the time of the national/social liberation ideologies. Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology. Another reason for me to veer away from them.

    Replies: @LatW

  701. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

     

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I'm no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could've lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.


    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

     

    Agreed, but I think you're understating it with the "presumably", because that "cultural unity" is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

     

    I feel it's a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.

    Facade of the Doge’s Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510

    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:

    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!… The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!

    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Nietzsche was writing nonsense, can't be doubted that crusaders were strongly motivated by faith, not primarily by material considerations.
    The entire "Catholic fanatics destroyed enlightened Moorish civilization" narrative is also dubious, in reality Moorish Spain's "Golden Age" ended due not least to internal conflicts, and then fanatics from the North African desert (Almohads and Almoravids) swept in who had nothing enlightened about them at all.

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Sher Singh
    @Yahya


    later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization
     
    >

    https://twitter.com/PishvaMehr/status/1660413398239068161

    "When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else."

    Do you have a servant licker?

    LOL. Pajeet - how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?

    Are you partial to niggers because you are one??

    :joy:

    --

    LMFAO

    Chapter: It is not permissible for a woman who has been thrice-divorced to return to the one who divorced her until she marries another husband who has intercourse with her, then divorces her, and she completes the 'Iddah

    https://twitter.com/checkmate444zz/status/1660688381150412825

    HAHAHAHAHAA

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    Did Freidrich get out of Germany much? The British Victorians were basically Supermen. Was played out by ww1 but still remarkable people.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Yahya


    The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.
     
    Don't you see a basic logical problem here though?

    There was no "Islamic portion of the Mediterranean" before Islamic conquest, meaning that there were no Muslim links pre-existing ~650 AD at all to begin with that could ever even be "broken".

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate.

     

    I should've clarified that I wasn't referring strictly and only to trade and commercial transactions, but even things like immigration, settlement, intermarriage, and elite interaction at the level of royal courts. Those are two very different things. Commercial transactions, especially in civilian trade, don't show the true state of relations between different communities. Perhaps sales/transfer of arms, weapons, and military equipment does though.

    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries.

     

    Of course, but the way in which there are new apologist perspectives of how those were tolerant, enlightened, or even "Golden Age" conquests are just grotesque. For instance, notion that the Islamic Caliphate itself underwent a "Golden Age" is just nonsense as the Library of Alexandria was actually destroyed by the Muslims as a customary part of practicing Jihad. Unbelievable people get payed to push those narratives. No amount of obfuscation can cover up the sheer extent of Jihad and religious-tribal warfare involved in all of those cases.

    I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:

     

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream. Interestingly his logic for preference of Islam over Christianity because "Christianity is weak while Islam is a strong warrior Jihad religion" or something along those lines, was also shared by the Nazis. Along with a preference and serious appreciation for paganism.

    Otherwise, I should clarify that I'm not being "Islamophobic" or whatever other nonsense terms there are about that, but that I'm just stating it as I actually perceive it to have been. Since obviously many here are on various sides of many different fault lines of Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations", that may mean everyone just easily gets upset (Huntington's work was hated by Western liberals and Muslims since he shattered their bubbles and said things like "Islam has bloody borders", Muslim youth bulge is a serious demographic problem of creating masses of Muslim jihadists, and so on) and nobody is capable of bridging the inherently irreconcilable differences of their perspectives. Still, Huntington's work is the most relevant, insightful and valuable in its field since 1992 (when it was an original essay response to Fukuyama) while Fukuyama's "End of History" will hopefully live forever in infamy. It feels like the world would be a better place if everyone honestly acknowledged Huntington's fault lines and then worked on if not bridging differences, then at least reducing friction as much as possible. It honestly feels to me several problems of the present are caused by ruling elites (particularly in the USA) that embrace the worldview of Francis Fukuyama instead of Samuel Huntington.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

  702. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich?
     
    Since you'd need money (and visa etc.) for international travel and for buying property in the offline world, I'd assume so.
    I need to look into the concept, but the idea sounds bizarre to me, a state is defined by sovereignty, the ability to set policies and make laws, ultimately by means of coercion, there's no way some online community could usurp that without coming into conflict with real states...and if you don't have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping. It's like confusing online fandoms or some forum with a political community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    To address Mr. XYZ:

    And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant

    Only possible discriminatory mechanism that I heard him mention seems to be paying dues or shared political interest. Presumably this would keep many people out, but I don’t see any real workaround to civil rights law. (And how it would be possible to create a network state that advocates against it or other forms of poz)

    [MORE]

    In particular, I find it a deficiency that he doesn’t mention how trannies dominate a lot of social networks by their bullying and mania. He does not explain how to keep them out.

    and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping.

    I’ve thought of a funny analogy he should use:

    He should say something like “the tremendous political power that gays have was created by their networking ability, moving into urban environments, not having a family life, and being able to meet in segregated bars, etc. We can duplicate the power of gays, by using cyberspace.”

    I may have to try to read more of him. Even if he is obviously missing pieces, I think some of his ideas are interesting, like verifiable history leading to better predictions and control theory.

    I wonder what AK’s ‘One Commandment’ would be, since he seems to believe in the idea. book seems to mention some crazy ideas, like a state built around life extension -seems rather to be putting the cart before the horse, in ignoring natalism. IMO, you can’t possibly have a state without children.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    IMO, you can’t possibly have a state without children.
     
    You can steal the children that others have reared. It's already happening. Big question for nationalists, when you rear children, how to make sure they are not ideologically stolen later. I know, children are to be free and all that, but still.. it's a big investment to just give away.
    , @German_reader
    @songbird

    I'll look at the book (maybe next weekend), will comment more on it then.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    If network states are a part of a larger unit, such as the EU, if Montenegro will eventually join it, could its exclusionary immigration policies be subjected to challenge in EU courts? Especially if these policies will be outside of existing European norms?

    And of course EU citizens would get easy access to Montenegro due to the EU's internal open borders. The EU is actually a wet dream for open borders people lol.

  703. @songbird
    @German_reader

    To address Mr. XYZ:


    And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant

     

    Only possible discriminatory mechanism that I heard him mention seems to be paying dues or shared political interest. Presumably this would keep many people out, but I don't see any real workaround to civil rights law. (And how it would be possible to create a network state that advocates against it or other forms of poz)

    In particular, I find it a deficiency that he doesn't mention how trannies dominate a lot of social networks by their bullying and mania. He does not explain how to keep them out.

    and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping.
     
    I've thought of a funny analogy he should use:

    He should say something like "the tremendous political power that gays have was created by their networking ability, moving into urban environments, not having a family life, and being able to meet in segregated bars, etc. We can duplicate the power of gays, by using cyberspace."

    I may have to try to read more of him. Even if he is obviously missing pieces, I think some of his ideas are interesting, like verifiable history leading to better predictions and control theory.

    I wonder what AK's 'One Commandment' would be, since he seems to believe in the idea. book seems to mention some crazy ideas, like a state built around life extension -seems rather to be putting the cart before the horse, in ignoring natalism. IMO, you can't possibly have a state without children.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    IMO, you can’t possibly have a state without children.

    You can steal the children that others have reared. It’s already happening. Big question for nationalists, when you rear children, how to make sure they are not ideologically stolen later. I know, children are to be free and all that, but still.. it’s a big investment to just give away.

    • Agree: songbird
  704. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.
     
    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.


    https://i.ibb.co/689ykVk/AC8257-F0-DD19-4-B75-B7-A3-C3398200-AB9-D.jpg


    Facade of the Doge's Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510


    https://i.ibb.co/PMz8Gtt/6-C207849-93-E2-4-FC8-AEA5-3-D70-F9-E293-EA.jpg


    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:


    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Wokechoke, @Resist Covid Slavery

    The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!

    Nietzsche was writing nonsense, can’t be doubted that crusaders were strongly motivated by faith, not primarily by material considerations.
    The entire “Catholic fanatics destroyed enlightened Moorish civilization” narrative is also dubious, in reality Moorish Spain’s “Golden Age” ended due not least to internal conflicts, and then fanatics from the North African desert (Almohads and Almoravids) swept in who had nothing enlightened about them at all.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @German_reader


    Nietzsche was writing nonsense, can’t be doubted that crusaders were strongly motivated by faith, not primarily by material considerations.
     
    I was a bit surprised to come across this sentiment, towards the end of the book, because it’s an argument you’d expect from a modern woke academic, not a 19th century German philosopher. Especially one with the quasi-reactionary outlook of Nietzsche. But on some levels it is understandable; Nietzsche held an almost visceral hatred of Christianity, so that may have influenced his judgement of the Reconquista & the Crusades. His positive outlook of Islam may also be colored by his desire to deprecate Christianity by providing a favorable contrast (though the main antithetical religion he upholds throughout the book is Buddhism not Islam).

    Nietzche continues the point with the following paragraph:

    The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won.... The German noble, always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church—but well paid.... Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious.... Christianity, alcohol—the two great means of corruption.... Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not.... “War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!”: this was the feeling, this was the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently? I can’t make out how a German could ever feel Christian....
     
  705. @AP
    @songbird


    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?
     
    Who said I had a distaste for the English? I feel sad that they have allowed their charming homelands to be diluted by non-Europeans. If I disliked them, this would not be viewed by me as a negative thing. I like Tolkien, C.S. Lewis, and English post-punk music.

    More interesting is why you, an Irishman, are so eager to leap to their defense all the time?

    My take on the English is that they are the very refined and ultimate heirs of the Vikings, creating a very just, nice and orderly (within reason) society for themselves while also being rather ruthless and sophisticated raiders. Within their homelands they have created an excellent combination of gentleness, prosperity and pleasant aesthetics. Many of us non-Anglos are lucky and privileged to have been able to settle in the Angloshere. It’s a damn shame that the English themselves seem to have soured on their own brilliant legacy.

    Those whom they colonized got the bad end of the deal (others such as Spaniards were more humane) because the English were tough, ruthless and savvy invaders and exploiters who made sure to get themselves the best deal, but to the extent that the victims can learn from and emulate their former masters, they can do well too. Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, Israel are probably positive examples. Dima was mentioning this, about English “software.”

    I am grateful for Anglo support for Ukraine.

    or could he be a crypto-Indian?
     
    Well, a couple thousand years ago some distant cousins of my distant ancestors did move down there.

    Replies: @songbird

    More interesting is why you, an Irishman, are so eager to leap to their defense all the time?

    Have expressed myself before on this point. To recap:

    [MORE]

    1.) The English are used as a convenient proxy. If they are brought down in status, it will hardly help other Europeans.
    2.) Only so much room in Irish public attention (as in any other people). Focusing too much on the English is to blind to the severe and immediate threat of invasion and dispossession by the global south. Not to mention, hurting the English does not help the Irish.
    3.) They are a related people. More closely related than people within many other single countries, not to mention I have relatives who are part English, both in America and abroad.
    4.) Even if they were alien, like the Japanese, I have appreciated parts of their culture and would not approve of what is being done to them.
    5.) ‘Anglophobia’ is not integral to Irish history. Most of the lessons can take more general forms like absentee landlords, lack of rootedness, or class strife, etc.
    6.) Don’t want to sound blackpillled about it, but on some levels they seem like a defeated people. How many of them are even left? Must be much less than the census (already alarming). A lot of the people who now call themselves ‘British’ look like Southern Slavs, etc.

    I would not badmouth the Sioux everyday, even though I am sure they were fantastic savages in their time, because I think it would be in bad taste.

    Anyway, I think Europeans need to cultivate a shared identity. Not necessarily blend into one, but at least have some asabiyyah, and bury the old hatchets.

  706. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    To address Mr. XYZ:


    And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant

     

    Only possible discriminatory mechanism that I heard him mention seems to be paying dues or shared political interest. Presumably this would keep many people out, but I don't see any real workaround to civil rights law. (And how it would be possible to create a network state that advocates against it or other forms of poz)

    In particular, I find it a deficiency that he doesn't mention how trannies dominate a lot of social networks by their bullying and mania. He does not explain how to keep them out.

    and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping.
     
    I've thought of a funny analogy he should use:

    He should say something like "the tremendous political power that gays have was created by their networking ability, moving into urban environments, not having a family life, and being able to meet in segregated bars, etc. We can duplicate the power of gays, by using cyberspace."

    I may have to try to read more of him. Even if he is obviously missing pieces, I think some of his ideas are interesting, like verifiable history leading to better predictions and control theory.

    I wonder what AK's 'One Commandment' would be, since he seems to believe in the idea. book seems to mention some crazy ideas, like a state built around life extension -seems rather to be putting the cart before the horse, in ignoring natalism. IMO, you can't possibly have a state without children.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    I’ll look at the book (maybe next weekend), will comment more on it then.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    I've gleaned just enough of him to understand that he seems to have a critical view of historical narratives, so I think it goes without saying that he may be withholding certain ideas. I mean, can you really be woke and believe in such an concept? At least, he seems to understand the US is in decline. So, maybe, it is a game of trying to fill in the blanks?

    (Guessing he thinks that influence can be gained by bribes, and that it is possible to build something in smaller, poorer states by buying such influence. Guess one could extend this up to Israel's influence, though am sure it would be hard to duplicate.)

    Though, of course, his overall concept still doesn't seem very practical to me. When he mentions the cloud, all I think is that it may be a better economic model for socialized states to focus on cloud-based services, and they may have to do so at some point, which might take some of the wind out of his sails.

  707. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Errrr……once Putin, Duma, Federal Council and Constitutional Court recognised LNR and DNR as states in January 2022 – that OBVIOUSLY meant liberation of all Donbass was definite goal of SMO you dickhead.

    If you believe that he did not intend to take Kiev and the entire country then what was the point of this 40 mile column of supply and armor:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHA6maU4E40

    You're trying to engage in historical revisionism. It was already leaked that he planned on taking the entire country and was going to add them to the empire.
    https://www.newsweek.com/leaked-invasion-plan-reveals-4-assumptions-putin-regime-wrong-1764309

    Replies: @QCIC

    You didn’t respond to Gerard’s valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    You didn’t respond to Gerard’s valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    What point would that be? You are suggesting that the Battle of Kiev was all a ruse because wars are expensive? The leaked plans are all just a conspiracy to make it look like Putin planned on taking all of it?

    Putin ordered a 40 mile convoy at Kiev as a ruse? Is that what you are suggesting? Tanks were sent into Kiev just for show?

    Putin's plans show that he thought Kiev could be captured in 13 hours:
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-leaked-invasion-plan-shows-28766012

    The dwarf obviously wasn't accounting correctly for military expenditures so there is no reason to assume that refugee expenditures are why this unsupported ruse theory has any credence.

    There is no evidence that Putin does anything based on economic utility. The war is currently a drain on the Russian economy and he has no intention of ending it.

    Replies: @QCIC

  708. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    What explains AP’s distaste for the English, I wonder?
     
    I don’t know about AP, but IMO English is a convenient language. It has little grammar (American English has virtually none), nouns, verbs, and adjectives don’t have gender, plus in the US most longer words are shortened to one or two syllables. It’s already pidgin. Perfect for non-native speakers. Chinese has virtually no grammar, words don’t change, but their writing is mind-boggling. In addition, Chinese is a tonal language, closed to those who don’t have musical ear. That’s why as an international language English has no rivals.

    BTW, if you are a Brit, let me tell you a little secret: out of 6-8 synonyms with slightly different flavors that British have for most words, people in the US use only one.

    Replies: @songbird

    Yes, I think that is true – English became what Esperanto set out to become. (Though I think Esperanto still has abstract, non-linguistic relevence to the idea of network states, in how it was a failure because there was no pre-existing Esperanto country.)

    I often feel disappointed when I look up a list of synonyms or antonyms. Perhaps, it would be good to have a language which took a separate tack, than the modern focus on reforms of simplification. One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.
     
    It’s not only poetic value, it’s also communication potential. It is sad that while Webster has over 200,000 entries, people in the US use maybe 10,000 words, or even fewer. In the last 10+ years I reviewed more than 600 scientific papers. Only one among these was written in full-blooded English, the rest being in pidgin or simplified pidgin. What’s more, many of these were from native English speakers (which I am not). I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used. I was saddened by the discovery that I know more English words than American born and bred graduate students. Not to mention that by their writing in the exams they turn in you can’t tell who is Chinese and who is American: grammar is equally mangled, word usage is atrocious (e.g., at best one in twenty knows the difference between “effect” and “affect”).

    Replies: @A123, @songbird, @Mikel

  709. @Yahya
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.
     
    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.


    https://i.ibb.co/689ykVk/AC8257-F0-DD19-4-B75-B7-A3-C3398200-AB9-D.jpg


    Facade of the Doge's Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510


    https://i.ibb.co/PMz8Gtt/6-C207849-93-E2-4-FC8-AEA5-3-D70-F9-E293-EA.jpg


    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:


    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Wokechoke, @Resist Covid Slavery

    later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization

    >

    “When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else.”

    Do you have a servant licker?

    LOL. Pajeet – how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?

    Are you partial to niggers because you are one??

    :joy:

    LMFAO

    Chapter: It is not permissible for a woman who has been thrice-divorced to return to the one who divorced her until she marries another husband who has intercourse with her, then divorces her, and she completes the ‘Iddah

    HAHAHAHAHAA

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    LOL. Pajeet – how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?
     
    https://youtu.be/Y8gudyUHMgw

    HAHAHAHAHAA
     
    Are you drunk?

    https://www.amazon.com/Cradle-Islam-Hijaz-Identity-Arabia/dp/1845118243

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  710. @German_reader
    @Yahya


    The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich…. Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Nietzsche was writing nonsense, can't be doubted that crusaders were strongly motivated by faith, not primarily by material considerations.
    The entire "Catholic fanatics destroyed enlightened Moorish civilization" narrative is also dubious, in reality Moorish Spain's "Golden Age" ended due not least to internal conflicts, and then fanatics from the North African desert (Almohads and Almoravids) swept in who had nothing enlightened about them at all.

    Replies: @Yahya

    Nietzsche was writing nonsense, can’t be doubted that crusaders were strongly motivated by faith, not primarily by material considerations.

    I was a bit surprised to come across this sentiment, towards the end of the book, because it’s an argument you’d expect from a modern woke academic, not a 19th century German philosopher. Especially one with the quasi-reactionary outlook of Nietzsche. But on some levels it is understandable; Nietzsche held an almost visceral hatred of Christianity, so that may have influenced his judgement of the Reconquista & the Crusades. His positive outlook of Islam may also be colored by his desire to deprecate Christianity by providing a favorable contrast (though the main antithetical religion he upholds throughout the book is Buddhism not Islam).

    Nietzche continues the point with the following paragraph:

    The German nobility, which is fundamentally a Viking nobility, was in its element there: the church knew only too well how the German nobility was to be won…. The German noble, always the “Swiss guard” of the church, always in the service of every bad instinct of the church—but well paid…. Consider the fact that it is precisely the aid of German swords and German blood and valour that has enabled the church to carry through its war to the death upon everything noble on earth! At this point a host of painful questions suggest themselves. The German nobility stands outside the history of the higher civilization: the reason is obvious…. Christianity, alcohol—the two great means of corruption…. Intrinsically there should be no more choice between Islam and Christianity than there is between an Arab and a Jew. The decision is already reached; nobody remains at liberty to choose here. Either a man is a Chandala or he is not…. “War to the knife with Rome! Peace and friendship with Islam!”: this was the feeling, this was the act, of that great free spirit, that genius among German emperors, Frederick II. What! must a German first be a genius, a free spirit, before he can feel decently? I can’t make out how a German could ever feel Christian….

  711. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya


    later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization
     
    >

    https://twitter.com/PishvaMehr/status/1660413398239068161

    "When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else."

    Do you have a servant licker?

    LOL. Pajeet - how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?

    Are you partial to niggers because you are one??

    :joy:

    --

    LMFAO

    Chapter: It is not permissible for a woman who has been thrice-divorced to return to the one who divorced her until she marries another husband who has intercourse with her, then divorces her, and she completes the 'Iddah

    https://twitter.com/checkmate444zz/status/1660688381150412825

    HAHAHAHAHAA

    Replies: @Yahya

    LOL. Pajeet – how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?

    HAHAHAHAHAA

    Are you drunk?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/History_of_Guru_Nanak%27s_travel_to_Mecca#Karni_Nama

    Ccucked - you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
    Really are just Arabic christianity..

    So do you truly love a woman enough to take her back after being ran through?

    HAHAHAHAHA

    You listen to Opera while Egyptian girls visit Spain..
    Really are just westernized & full of inferiority complex.
    No dif than Hindus.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/property-dealer-accused-of-shooting-alleged-drunk-woman-at-gurdwara-premises-sent-to-judicial-custody-in-patiala-101684167544344.html

    ਅਕਾਲ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lav6W25gsZI

    Replies: @Yahya

  712. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, I think that is true - English became what Esperanto set out to become. (Though I think Esperanto still has abstract, non-linguistic relevence to the idea of network states, in how it was a failure because there was no pre-existing Esperanto country.)

    I often feel disappointed when I look up a list of synonyms or antonyms. Perhaps, it would be good to have a language which took a separate tack, than the modern focus on reforms of simplification. One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.

    It’s not only poetic value, it’s also communication potential. It is sad that while Webster has over 200,000 entries, people in the US use maybe 10,000 words, or even fewer. In the last 10+ years I reviewed more than 600 scientific papers. Only one among these was written in full-blooded English, the rest being in pidgin or simplified pidgin. What’s more, many of these were from native English speakers (which I am not). I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used. I was saddened by the discovery that I know more English words than American born and bred graduate students. Not to mention that by their writing in the exams they turn in you can’t tell who is Chinese and who is American: grammar is equally mangled, word usage is atrocious (e.g., at best one in twenty knows the difference between “effect” and “affect”).

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Brace yourself for "aeffect": (1)


    A combination of effect and affect, so that you're never wrong. Aeffect is a result of, influence by, or article. 1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result. 2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence. 3. To have an influence on or effect a change in. 4. To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
     
    I can't make stuff like this up... It is out there....


    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aeffect

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    From the mid '70s to the 2010s, the GSS measured >0.5 SD decline in vocab among people with bachelor or graduate degrees.
    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-is-vocabulary-shrinking.html?m=1

    And, IIRC, there are declines in newspaper vocab going back more than 100 years.

    I suspect reading has become less of a pastime, perhaps related to the decline in quality of writing. Am sure this affects spelling (along with spell check).

    Though personally I find it very hard to proofread myself because one cannot empty the cache, so to speak. When ideas are still fresh in the mind, the mind does not want to read letters. Those that it does read become mere hints for filling in the blanks, as the eyes move without really reading.

    , @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.
     
    But still you didn't understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

  713. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    They are citizens of the US and the UK. Without help from those states (and Western Europe, including my own country, despite the constant bashing against it) Ukraine would stand no chance at all against Russia
     
    Correct.

    Nor could the Poles and Balts afford to play their role as militant anti-Russian loudmouths without the NATO security guarantee
     
    Given the Polish role in ending the Soviet threat they earned some leeway.

    NATO made sense, both for Western Europeans and from a pov of essential American interests, when it was about deterring a Soviet attack on Western Europe.

     

    Yes.

    It’s not clear at all that this is true when it means engaging in a proxy war with nuclear-armed Russia over who owns Mariupol or some other depressing post-Soviet shithole, let alone about lunacy like who’s the rightful successor of ancient Rus or attempts to re-create the PLC so Poles can get over their historical trauma and pretend they’re a great power again
     
    NATO is the combined military force of the countries that collectively form “the West.” That is the value of NATO. Should “the West” have a collective military alliance presenting a more or less united front against non-West, or should it’s militaries consist of atomized local forces?

    Ukraine is on the edge of the West and border conflicts define the limits of the West.

    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.

    There simply is nothing in this conflict for Western Europeans, or for the vast mass of Americans,
     
    The loss of Egypt was ultimately very bad for core Eastern Rome, and the later loss of Eastern Rome to the Turks was ultimately bad for Western Europeans too, no?

    It’s better for the West for it not to lose places. Particularly when the western parts of the West are a bit unhealthy due to having accepted large numbers of non-Western (and often anti-Western) settlers while the eastern parts of the West are still a fairly clean reservoir of Western peoples. One that is threatened by invasion and occupation by Eurasia.

    that is worth the existential risk of nuclear war

     

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true. Even taking Crimea (or if Russia took Estonia) would not result in self destruction by either side. The unrealistic fear of this is exploited by the enemy. Fear is how the West is defeated: fear of nukes, so give away parts of it. Fear of being offensive, so don’t interfere with rape gangs in one’s own country. Fear of climate change, so don’t have children. It’s always some kind of fear. And those such as the people of Ukraine who are not afraid - are perceived by the fearful ones as being annoying.

    There never is even the slightest acknowledgement that maybe solidarity with Ukraine can’t be unconditional and unlimited, and that a country in Ukraine’s position needs to accept certain constraints on what actions it takes

     

    Constraints in the battle for existence? It should boldly push for as much as possible. Would it have gotten as much as it has if it has not been doing so?

    Like not supporting fringe characters like those “Free Russians” (Neo-Nazis, far rightists or whatever they are, in any case not characters the liberal West would consider acceptable in any other context

     

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable. Including unleashing these Russians in their own homeland. And whatever their distasteful political ideology, I bet they are far less likely to rape and murder people in Russia, than Putin’s troops have been doing to Ukrainians.

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    AP wrote:

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War. MAD is still true.

    I disagree.

    The new problem with MAD is the West is now insane. This was not true in 1990. We have insane people in all parts of the government and the military. So creating a hair trigger situation between the West and Russia is very dangerous. When the West dropped out of the ABM treaty it was an announcement that yes, we seek to overturn MAD to our advantage.

    Some people here like to wallow in the “Big Bad Bear” mindset where this is a typical EE war over some nonsense like mean old Russia wants your silly coal mines or something. You should try a little empathy and think about the Russian military perspective and see what is really going on.

    The West drops out of the ABM treaty with the goal of undermining MAD. In the eyes of the Russian military this was extremely serious. The arms reduction treaties were a big deal and the USA unilaterally backing out of them was an even bigger deal.

    The specifically anti-Russian military alliance NATO was gradually expanded towards Russia, incorporating territories recently held by Russia. NATO was ready to attack or repel Russia on a moment’s notice for decades. There is no way to spin NATO expansion as not a threat to Russia. That was the entire point of expanding NATO. A veiled threat is still a threat.

    Assisting with a coup in a country which borders on your nuclear adversary (i.e. Ukraine borders Russia) is obviously a military threat. Once MAD exists everything in the political-military-economic sphere is tainted by it. We don’t have to like it but it is worth recognizing the issue.

    Why can’t you people accept that you have fallen into a dangerously foolish mindset? Maybe you think some border dispute between these two regions is worth starting WW3.

  714. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I'll look at the book (maybe next weekend), will comment more on it then.

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve gleaned just enough of him to understand that he seems to have a critical view of historical narratives, so I think it goes without saying that he may be withholding certain ideas. I mean, can you really be woke and believe in such an concept? At least, he seems to understand the US is in decline. So, maybe, it is a game of trying to fill in the blanks?

    (Guessing he thinks that influence can be gained by bribes, and that it is possible to build something in smaller, poorer states by buying such influence. Guess one could extend this up to Israel’s influence, though am sure it would be hard to duplicate.)

    Though, of course, his overall concept still doesn’t seem very practical to me. When he mentions the cloud, all I think is that it may be a better economic model for socialized states to focus on cloud-based services, and they may have to do so at some point, which might take some of the wind out of his sails.

  715. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.
     
    It’s not only poetic value, it’s also communication potential. It is sad that while Webster has over 200,000 entries, people in the US use maybe 10,000 words, or even fewer. In the last 10+ years I reviewed more than 600 scientific papers. Only one among these was written in full-blooded English, the rest being in pidgin or simplified pidgin. What’s more, many of these were from native English speakers (which I am not). I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used. I was saddened by the discovery that I know more English words than American born and bred graduate students. Not to mention that by their writing in the exams they turn in you can’t tell who is Chinese and who is American: grammar is equally mangled, word usage is atrocious (e.g., at best one in twenty knows the difference between “effect” and “affect”).

    Replies: @A123, @songbird, @Mikel

    Brace yourself for “aeffect”: (1)

    A combination of effect and affect, so that you’re never wrong. Aeffect is a result of, influence by, or article. 1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result. 2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence. 3. To have an influence on or effect a change in. 4. To act on the emotions of; touch or move.

    I can’t make stuff like this up… It is out there….

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aeffect

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    A great word for people who think begging a question means to raise a question with emphasis or that to decimate means to wipe out.

  716. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.
     
    It’s not only poetic value, it’s also communication potential. It is sad that while Webster has over 200,000 entries, people in the US use maybe 10,000 words, or even fewer. In the last 10+ years I reviewed more than 600 scientific papers. Only one among these was written in full-blooded English, the rest being in pidgin or simplified pidgin. What’s more, many of these were from native English speakers (which I am not). I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used. I was saddened by the discovery that I know more English words than American born and bred graduate students. Not to mention that by their writing in the exams they turn in you can’t tell who is Chinese and who is American: grammar is equally mangled, word usage is atrocious (e.g., at best one in twenty knows the difference between “effect” and “affect”).

    Replies: @A123, @songbird, @Mikel

    From the mid ’70s to the 2010s, the GSS measured >0.5 SD decline in vocab among people with bachelor or graduate degrees.
    https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2019/09/why-is-vocabulary-shrinking.html?m=1

    And, IIRC, there are declines in newspaper vocab going back more than 100 years.

    I suspect reading has become less of a pastime, perhaps related to the decline in quality of writing. Am sure this affects spelling (along with spell check).

    Though personally I find it very hard to proofread myself because one cannot empty the cache, so to speak. When ideas are still fresh in the mind, the mind does not want to read letters. Those that it does read become mere hints for filling in the blanks, as the eyes move without really reading.

  717. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Brace yourself for "aeffect": (1)


    A combination of effect and affect, so that you're never wrong. Aeffect is a result of, influence by, or article. 1. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result. 2. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence. 3. To have an influence on or effect a change in. 4. To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
     
    I can't make stuff like this up... It is out there....


    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aeffect

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    A great word for people who think begging a question means to raise a question with emphasis or that to decimate means to wipe out.

  718. Sher Singh says:
    @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    LOL. Pajeet – how did your line get an Arab wife in the 1st place?
     
    https://youtu.be/Y8gudyUHMgw

    HAHAHAHAHAA
     
    Are you drunk?

    https://www.amazon.com/Cradle-Islam-Hijaz-Identity-Arabia/dp/1845118243

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/History_of_Guru_Nanak%27s_travel_to_Mecca#Karni_Nama

    Ccucked – you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
    Really are just Arabic christianity..

    So do you truly love a woman enough to take her back after being ran through?

    HAHAHAHAHA

    You listen to Opera while Egyptian girls visit Spain..
    Really are just westernized & full of inferiority complex.
    No dif than Hindus.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/property-dealer-accused-of-shooting-alleged-drunk-woman-at-gurdwara-premises-sent-to-judicial-custody-in-patiala-101684167544344.html

    ਅਕਾਲ

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    Ccucked – you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
     
    Your entire religion is just a discount version of Hinduism.

    Your Sikh-posting is a compensatory mechanism for your religious inferiority complex.

    And your own status as a deracinated emigre.

    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.

    Deep down you know women wouldn’t touch a Sikh with a ten-foot pole.

    Muslims are the Übermensch of the Indian subcontinent.


    https://i.ibb.co/JrdKF07/9-D88-E57-E-56-DE-4-A0-C-9632-6031-BAE751-C8.jpg


    Followed by the Brahmins and Kshatriyas.


    https://youtu.be/qwOMXWy-JXs


    Sikhs dwell at the bottom, alongside the cāṇḍāla.

    Increase the prayers to Allah, and don’t eat pork.

    لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الل

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

  719. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    One that sought to revive archaic words like Shakespeare, for their poetic value.
     
    It’s not only poetic value, it’s also communication potential. It is sad that while Webster has over 200,000 entries, people in the US use maybe 10,000 words, or even fewer. In the last 10+ years I reviewed more than 600 scientific papers. Only one among these was written in full-blooded English, the rest being in pidgin or simplified pidgin. What’s more, many of these were from native English speakers (which I am not). I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used. I was saddened by the discovery that I know more English words than American born and bred graduate students. Not to mention that by their writing in the exams they turn in you can’t tell who is Chinese and who is American: grammar is equally mangled, word usage is atrocious (e.g., at best one in twenty knows the difference between “effect” and “affect”).

    Replies: @A123, @songbird, @Mikel

    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.

    But still you didn’t understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.
     
    In this case he is just exaggerating rather spouting nonsense.

    I've noticed that in everyday speech, Canadian English-speakers use a more extensive vocabulary than do typical Americans. I recall one of my Torontonian cousins complaining about a "torturous" commute; an American would just say "bad" or that it "sucked."

    I haven't been to Britain but I assume it is the same there.

    , @A123
    @Mikel



    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.

     

    But still you didn’t understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.
     
    Would an American ever describe something as:

    A miasmatic, swirling, abyss burdened with the odours of brimstone and bile.

    I do not remember what that is from, but it is definitely British.

    PEACE 😇
  720. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn't start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.
     
    My people already have their own country. That's what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco - Pays Basque (Basque Country). I don't know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,... A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that's what turns you on.

    In fact, you're barking up the wrong tree here. Other that the Northern Irish, nobody in Western Europe has done more patriotic killing than my people in the past half of a century. Definitely not the Balts or the Poles either. The Lithuanians did put some corpses on the table but not nearly as many as we did.

    In any case, we've discussed this ad nauseam before. How much they're willing to sacrifice for state structures as opposed to actual self-governance is their decision to make. At least they haven't been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.
     
    I don't know what that has to do with anything but you're wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her. Her mother only speaks Spanish so I followed the old tradition of taking the responsibility of passing on the language to her. My American son doesn't speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US and may even become necessary, the way things are going. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned a lot of Ukrainian history on this blog thanks to your efforts. Khmelnitsky, Bandera and Skropadsky have become household names for all the regulars here but, to be honest, I don't want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous.
     
    Asking what's in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization and in all the meddling that preceded it may be off limits in most MSM (look what happened to Tucker) but you're not going to stamp out that conversation from this blog, no matter how hard you try. I don't think I've ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not). That's not the big problem. The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia's goal is to invade us as well. And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Btw, my disgust at Zelensky and his entourage doesn't mean that I'm unable to recognize his personal courage and his skills as a military leader, in spite of his clownish origins. The problem with Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro wasn't the lack of courage and leadership skills.

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    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn’t start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    You don’t have Russia as a neighbor.

    Anglos have only been losers for about 30 years. They have allowed their capital to be taken over by often-hostile settlers and many of them (especially many of their elites) denigrate their own glorious civilization.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.

    My people already have their own country. That’s what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco – Pays Basque (Basque Country).

    You don’t have your own state.

    I don’t know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,… A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn’t have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that’s what turns you on.

    Thank you for the info.

    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.

    But, perhaps because you don’t have your own state – according to wiki only 28% of Basques (already a small nation) speak their own language.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    I don’t know what that has to do with anything but you’re wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her.

    Not that it maters (or should matter), but I commend you.

    My American son doesn’t speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US

    This is sad.

    to be honest, I don’t want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.

    I’m “assimilated” fine, professionally and socially. I am not deracinated, however. There is a difference.

    Asking what’s in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization

    The odds of this are basically zero. If everyone who mattered in the USA thought as you do, Russia would have regained everything to Germany by now, it only would have needed to threaten nukes. That would raise the “existential risk.”

    I don’t think I’ve ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not)

    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated – the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this “investment” is to punish a country for doing something outrageous – invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.

    His job is to get as much support for his country as possible. This is what a normal leader of any country would do. One that values its existence, at least. One that isn’t fading away.

    And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Russia’s clumsy brutality is more simian than is what Ukraine is doing.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated – the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this “investment” is to punish a country for doing something outrageous – invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).
     

    The foreign policy realist (such as Philippe Lemoine) will say that we shouldn't alienate Russia since otherwise Russia could sell advanced weapons systems to rogue regimes and refuse to cooperate with the West on things such as nuclear non-proliferation (Iran, et cetera). Of course, if one wants to truly not alienate Russia, one would need to not only let Russia conquer Ukraine, but also refuse to sponsor a Ukrainian insurgency afterwards as well as refuse to sanction Russia for conquering Ukraine (other than perhaps a few largely meaningless symbolic sanctions). After all, Russia would almost certainly view Western sponsorship of a Ukrainian insurgency and heavy Western sanctions on Russia as being hostile Western acts towards Russia even if the West allowed Russia to conquer Ukraine.
    , @Mikel
    @AP


    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.
     
    Not at all. The most important part was gained through hard work and honest business practices. As for self-government, a part of it was due (imo) to the pressure imposed on the Spaniards through something similar to what the Ukrainians are doing. ETA was definitely a ruthless and vicious organization. Quite a few of the victims of its bombings were innocent people, including children. I'll let you decide if some more autonomy was worth that price or not. But even there there was a huge difference. ETA never demanded that foreigners support their struggle. Much less that anyone started WW3 to expel the Spaniards from Basque lands.

    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.
     
    Italy, Ireland, Poland, the Netherlands, etc continued to exist and prosper after millions emigrated to the USA, became fully assimilated US citizens and abandoned their ancestors' language. By contrast, the countries of origin of the least assimilated people in the US, such as the Hispanics, are not what one usually regards as 'winners".
  721. @Yahya
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.
     
    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.


    https://i.ibb.co/689ykVk/AC8257-F0-DD19-4-B75-B7-A3-C3398200-AB9-D.jpg


    Facade of the Doge's Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510


    https://i.ibb.co/PMz8Gtt/6-C207849-93-E2-4-FC8-AEA5-3-D70-F9-E293-EA.jpg


    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:


    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

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    Did Freidrich get out of Germany much? The British Victorians were basically Supermen. Was played out by ww1 but still remarkable people.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Wokechoke

    Not disputing you, but from Beyond Good and Evil


    European noblesse -- of feeling, taste, mores, in short in every superior sense -- is the work and invention of France; European commoness, the plebeianism of modern ideas, belongs to England.
     

    These Englishmen: they are not a philosophical race. Bacon constitutes a downright attack on the philosophic spirit; Hobbes, Hume and Locke were a depreciation, a devaluation of the concept "philosopher" for more than a century. It was against Hume that Kant rose and elevated himself; it was Locke of whom Schelling had a right to say "je méprise Locke [I despise Locke]".
     

    In the end they all want to prove that English morality is right, insofar as humanity or the "general welfare" or the "happiness of the greatest number" -- nay, the happiness of England is best served by it. With all their powers they like to prove to themselves that the striving for English happiness -- by this I mean comfort and fashion (and, at the highest level, a seat in Parliament) -- is at the same time the proper path to virtue -- that indeed, whatever virtue there has been in the world, consisted of such striving.

    They are a modest and thoroughly mediocre kind, these Utilitarian Englishmen, and, as I said before, insofar as they are boring, one cannot think too highly of their utility.
     
    This from On Genealogy of Morals, seems to read that he consider Jews to be in ways, superior to Germans, Chinese, and the Romans, whom he regards as not just the noblest, but nobler than it is possible to be dreamt of

    The Romans were the strong and noble, stronger and nobler than they had ever been on earth, never dreamed of; every remnant of them, every inscription delightful, supposing one guesses what is written there. The Jews, on the other hand, were that priestly people of resentment par excellence, inhabited by a folksy-moral genius without equal: just compare the peoples with related talents, such as the Chinese or the Germans, with the Jews, in order to understand what is first and what is fifth range is. Which of them has conquered for the time being, Rome or Judea? But there is no doubt at all: just consider to whom one bows down today in Rome itself as the epitome of all highest values - and not only in Rome, but almost half over the world, wherever only man has become tame or wants to become tame – before three Jews, as we know, and one Jewess (before Jesus of Nazareth, the fisherman Peter, the carpet weaver Paul and the mother of the Jesus mentioned at the beginning, called Mary). This is very strange: Rome is without a doubt inferior.
     

    ...die europäische noblesse -- des Gefühls, des Geschmacks, der Sitte, kurz, das Wort in jedem hohen Sinne genommen -- ist Frankreich's Werk und Erfindung, die europäische Gemeinheit, der Plebejismus der modernen Ideen -- Englands. --
     

    Das ist keine philosophische Rasse -- diese Engländer; Bacon bedeutet einen Angriff auf den philosophischen Geist überhaupt, Hobbes, Hume und Locke eine Erniedrigung und Werth-Minderung des Begriffs »Philosoph« für mehr als ein Jahrhundert. Gegen Hume erhob und hob sich Kant; Locke war es, von dem Schelling sagen durfte: »je méprise Locke«;
     

    Zuletzt wollen sie Alle, daß die englische Moralität Recht bekomme: insofern gerade damit der Menschheit, oder dem »allgemeinen Nutzen« oder »dem Glück der Meisten«, nein! dem Glücke Englands am besten gedient wird; sie möchten mit allen Kräften sich beweisen, daß das Streben nach englischem Glück, ich meine nach comfort und fashion (und, an höchster Stelle, einem Sitz im Parlament) zugleich auch der rechte Pfad der Tugend sei, ja daß, so viel Tugend es bisher in der Welt gegeben hat, es eben in einem solchen Streben bestanden habe.

    Es ist eine bescheidene und gründlich mittelmäßige Art Mensch, diese utilitarischen Engländer, und, wie gesagt: insofern sie langweilig sind, kann man nicht hoch genug von ihrer Utilität denken.
     

    Die Römer waren ja die Starken und Vornehmen, wie sie stärker und vornehmer bisher auf Erden nie dagewesen, selbst niemals geträumt worden sind; jeder Überrest von ihnen, jede Inschrift entzückt, gesetzt, dass man erräth, was da schreibt. Die Juden umgekehrt waren jenes priesterliche Volk des Ressentiment par excellence, dem eine volksthümlich-moralische Genialität sonder Gleichen innewohnte: man vergleiche nur die verwandt-begabten Völker, etwa die Chinesen oder die Deutschen, mit den Juden, um nachzufühlen, was ersten und was fünften Ranges ist. Wer von ihnen einstweilen gesiegt hat, Rom oder Judäa? Aber es ist ja gar kein Zweifel: man erwäge doch, vor wem man sich heute in Rom selber als vor dem Inbegriff aller höchsten Werthe beugt – und nicht nur in Rom, sondern fast auf der halben Erde, überall wo nur der Mensch zahm geworden ist oder zahm werden will, – vor drei Juden, wie man weiss, und Einer Jüdin (vor Jesus von Nazareth, dem Fischer Petrus, dem Teppichwirker Paulus und der Mutter des anfangs genannten Jesus, genannt Maria). Dies ist sehr merkwürdig: Rom ist ohne allen Zweifel unterlegen.
     

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  722. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.
     
    But still you didn't understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    In this case he is just exaggerating rather spouting nonsense.

    I’ve noticed that in everyday speech, Canadian English-speakers use a more extensive vocabulary than do typical Americans. I recall one of my Torontonian cousins complaining about a “torturous” commute; an American would just say “bad” or that it “sucked.”

    I haven’t been to Britain but I assume it is the same there.

  723. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

     

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I'm no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could've lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.


    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

     

    Agreed, but I think you're understating it with the "presumably", because that "cultural unity" is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

     

    I feel it's a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency. Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result. Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England. In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Wokechoke

    I actually think your reply is the most powerful of all with some of the takes in it. I put in effort to retain civility in discussion with Yahya despite mostly disagreeing, but now that I noticed his spat with Sher Singh, maybe I shouldn't have bothered lol.


    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency.
     
    I presume it's referred to as Eastern Romans post 500/600 AD? After all, whole term "Byzantium" was apparently invented by German and Catholic historians of 16th and 17th centuries to delegitimize any Orthodox Christian claims on Eastern Rome and Roman history + inheritance more broadly.

    Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result.
     
    Although the thesis that Black Death/Bubonic Plague did much to end Feudalism and begin processes of modernity in Europe, it doesn't really seem to be proven in a smooth continuous link since although power of landowning nobility was harmed by loss of many peasants, land-owning nobles only truly faded away in Western Europe by 1500s and finally in 1600s as a result of deliberate state-centralism.

    Otherwise, one of the most basic debates in history is about when which "period" of history ends, or when a specific "historical process" ends. There is that point about history being a bunch of threads that are continuously woven and rewoven into a broader continuous thread.


    Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England.

     

    I think this is the single most powerful take I've come across in this thread about anything history related. Although it is quite bland compared to anything else in any other corner of Unz Review lol.

    Would you care to explain how exactly England was most severely hit by the Black Death compared to anyone else in Europe?

    Although there is the internal turmoil in England and peasants war, my feeling would be that perhaps France or Genoa (it was Genoese merchants that brought it from the Mongols in Kaffa as per the "established" narrative after all?) got devastated worse by the plague. Feels strange in hindsight that English embarked upon invasion of France and "Hundred" Years War and stubbornly persisted with war despite the plague. Not many seem to speculate that the plague helped the French avoid absolute defeat. Seems surprising the French pulled through to victory in hindsight despite imperfect monarchs, haughty nobility, low-country Flemish-Burgundian collaboration with England and many other factors that worked against the French. Maybe it does show the power of strategic factors such as demographics and the indecisive nature of single or even several battlefield engagements. Either way, Hundred Year's War feels massively under-rated to me, imo (e.g. 1360 storm saving French defenders of Paris also just seems bizarre and makes one think that the divine truly does exist, along with Joan of Arc).


    In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

     

    This is another interesting and powerful take. Never though before that the English are the ones that enabled lice to attach to clothes worldwide through wool manufacture/processing.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  724. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Most of the Basque-speaking lands were independent under the Kingdom of Navarre but the Spanish invaded and divided them up with the French.
     
    Ugh, lame. Well, I meant in modern times.

    Two and a half, usually. July to mid-September. But it never gets really warm like the Mediterranean. Low 20s C at best.

     

    Oh, then the season is shorter than I assumed. Well, it's not bad that it's a moderate climate.

    The Baltic by Sopot actually gets warmer, being a shallower sea.
     
    Oh, it can get very warm, even up to 30C sometimes (not often, but pretty much every year in July).

    Replies: @Mikel

    Well, I meant in modern times.

    Unfortunately, nothing much changed since that fateful invasion, 500 years ago. Just some minor border changes between France and Spain. For a short period of time there was an independent kingdom of sorts in the French Basque Country but they decided to join the Protestant reform and the French ended the experiment.

    As to your question about the French causing issues, Basque nationalism only started in the late 19th century, like all other nationalisms. But it never was as strong in the French Basque Country as in the Spanish one. This is due to the French being more efficient than the Spanish at imposing their culture (though they never managed to eradicate the Basque language) and the lack of a prosperity differential between Basques and French that did develop between Basques and Spaniards after the industrial revolution. Still, a small armed independentist group existed in the French Basque Country in the 60s-80s period. They were called Iparretarrak (the Northerners). The French Basque Country is called Iparralde in Basque (the northern part). This group, like the much larger ETA movement in the South was heavily influenced by Marxism though. This was the time of the national/social liberation ideologies. Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology. Another reason for me to veer away from them.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology.
     
    Yes, unfortunately, some of these oppressed populations tend to develop that illness (like the Riflemen did, also during the wave of prevailing socialist ideologies or how the IRA was sympathetic to the Palestinians, although that may not have been due to Marxism, as I understand, only one wing of IRA stuck to that ideology). It's somewhat understandable in that context, although far from great, of course. I know that there was also a true, nationalist wing of ETA .

    Anyway, thanks for sharing all that (and sorry for my ignorance). But I think my point still stands in that Ukraine has been more contested from outside nationalities and empires - culturally, politically, demographically, identity wise, than the Basque Country, although it is slightly comparable (although neither Spain nor France are not really like Russia here).

    Replies: @Mikel

  725. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/History_of_Guru_Nanak%27s_travel_to_Mecca#Karni_Nama

    Ccucked - you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
    Really are just Arabic christianity..

    So do you truly love a woman enough to take her back after being ran through?

    HAHAHAHAHA

    You listen to Opera while Egyptian girls visit Spain..
    Really are just westernized & full of inferiority complex.
    No dif than Hindus.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/property-dealer-accused-of-shooting-alleged-drunk-woman-at-gurdwara-premises-sent-to-judicial-custody-in-patiala-101684167544344.html

    ਅਕਾਲ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lav6W25gsZI

    Replies: @Yahya

    Ccucked – you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.

    Your entire religion is just a discount version of Hinduism.

    Your Sikh-posting is a compensatory mechanism for your religious inferiority complex.

    And your own status as a deracinated emigre.

    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.

    Deep down you know women wouldn’t touch a Sikh with a ten-foot pole.

    Muslims are the Übermensch of the Indian subcontinent.

    Followed by the Brahmins and Kshatriyas.

    Sikhs dwell at the bottom, alongside the cāṇḍāla.

    Increase the prayers to Allah, and don’t eat pork.

    لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الل

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    You've posted the tomb of a man who used to fuck his daughter.
    Enjoying the KFC?

    Is there a need to respond to the rest?
    You give women to Christians shouldn't I just talk to them??

    @songbird What u think, how u doing?

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Sher Singh
    @Yahya


    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.
     
    All women belong to the Khalsa so I can't even say that.
    Muslim women have always treated us well - that's a fact, even today.

    You want to be Western so bad but your mannerisms & thick accent make you stand out.
    ---

    You seeth at someone in a Turban with beard, Salotar & Sword who gets along fine.
    ---
    Dust off your Asshole after the Mullah's inspection during Namaz.

    Make a man of yourself Yahya.

    ਅਕਾਲ

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  726. Max Blumenthal
    @MaxBlumenthal
    At this event on the Diaa digital ID app, I asked Ukraine’s ambassador to the US Oksana Markarova about her govt promoting itself as a laboratory for predatory surveillance tech & its maintenance of a kill list that includes my colleagues Anya and @aaronjmate

    She walked away

    [MORE]

  727. @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    Ccucked – you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
     
    Your entire religion is just a discount version of Hinduism.

    Your Sikh-posting is a compensatory mechanism for your religious inferiority complex.

    And your own status as a deracinated emigre.

    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.

    Deep down you know women wouldn’t touch a Sikh with a ten-foot pole.

    Muslims are the Übermensch of the Indian subcontinent.


    https://i.ibb.co/JrdKF07/9-D88-E57-E-56-DE-4-A0-C-9632-6031-BAE751-C8.jpg


    Followed by the Brahmins and Kshatriyas.


    https://youtu.be/qwOMXWy-JXs


    Sikhs dwell at the bottom, alongside the cāṇḍāla.

    Increase the prayers to Allah, and don’t eat pork.

    لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الل

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    You’ve posted the tomb of a man who used to fuck his daughter.
    Enjoying the KFC?

    Is there a need to respond to the rest?
    You give women to Christians shouldn’t I just talk to them??

    What u think, how u doing?

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Did not know Sikhs were proselytizing here.

    Just like how the Mormons try to do it with genealogy, Sikhs should hijack that database of historical battles and maybe add duels to it.

    Get the people who go to Gettysburg and get them to lift.

  728. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @German_reader


    it’s now believed that long-distance trade in the Mediterranean collapsed even before the Islamic conquests.

     

    You mean besides the late Bronze Age collapse?

    I'm no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could've lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse. For example, Punic Wars and Roman Civil Wars were only temporary disruptions.


    But on the other hand, without the spread of Islam, presumably some cultural unity would have persisted in the Mediterranean, e. g. North Africa had been a center of Latin culture and Christianity in late antiquity after all.

     

    Agreed, but I think you're understating it with the "presumably", because that "cultural unity" is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.

    Don’t have much more to add right now, but thanks for your comment, a welcome change from the dominant topics here…

     

    I feel it's a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else. Perhaps history is the most appropriate thing to discuss otherwise.

    I think I should be the one to thank you for indulging me in such a discussion.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yahya, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Although there is evidence that bubonic plague has been around for as long as humankind, the plague of Justinian is the first documented outbreak of a bubonic plague pandemic. The 6th-century historian Procopius wrote about the Byzantine Empire during Justinian’s reign, and he recounts the devastation wreaked by the plague on Constantinople (later renamed Istanbul), at that time the most important political and cultural centre of the Western world and the hub of Christian civilization.

    […]

    The plague spread throughout western Europe where it became endemic with localized outbreaks occurring for the next two centuries. However, the worst was over by 590. It is impossible to be certain of the mortality rate during this outbreak. Estimates vary between 25 million and 100 million deaths. About a third of Europe’s population had been wiped out.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/plague-of-Justinian

    The Plague of Shiryue[1] (627–628) or Shiruye’s Plague[2] takes its name from the Sasanian monarch Kavad II, whose birth name was Shiruye. The plague was an epidemic that devastated the western provinces of the Sasanian Empire, mainly Mesopotamia (Asorestan), killing half of its population,[3] including the reigning Sasanian king Kavad II, who died in the fall of 628 CE, only a few months into his reign.[2][4] It killed more than 100,000 people in Ctesiphon.[5]

    The Plague of Shiruye was one of several epidemics that occurred in or close to Iran within two centuries after the first plague pandemic was brought by the Sasanian armies from its campaigns in Constantinople, Syria, and Armenia.[2] There was a subsequent plague outbreak from 634 to 642 during the reign of Yazdegerd III.[6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Sheroe

    The Hijrah or Hijra (Arabic: الهجرة) was the journey of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and his followers from Mecca to Medina.[1][2] The year in which the Hijrah took place is also identified as the epoch of the Lunar Hijri[a] and Solar Hijri calendars; its date equates to 16 July 622 in the Julian calendar.[3][4][b]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijrah

    The plague opened the way to the Islamic conquest. Without it the Byzantine and the Sasanian would have crushed the Saracenes.

    Also I couldn’t believe there was much long distance trade left during the decades of the plague epidemic.

  729. @AP
    @Mikel


    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn’t start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.
     
    You don't have Russia as a neighbor.

    Anglos have only been losers for about 30 years. They have allowed their capital to be taken over by often-hostile settlers and many of them (especially many of their elites) denigrate their own glorious civilization.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.


    My people already have their own country. That’s what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco – Pays Basque (Basque Country).
     
    You don't have your own state.

    I don’t know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,… A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn’t have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that’s what turns you on.
     
    Thank you for the info.

    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.

    But, perhaps because you don't have your own state - according to wiki only 28% of Basques (already a small nation) speak their own language.


    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    I don’t know what that has to do with anything but you’re wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her.
     

    Not that it maters (or should matter), but I commend you.

    My American son doesn’t speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US
     
    This is sad.

    to be honest, I don’t want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.
     
    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.

    I'm "assimilated" fine, professionally and socially. I am not deracinated, however. There is a difference.


    Asking what’s in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization
     
    The odds of this are basically zero. If everyone who mattered in the USA thought as you do, Russia would have regained everything to Germany by now, it only would have needed to threaten nukes. That would raise the "existential risk."

    I don’t think I’ve ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not)
     
    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated - the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this "investment" is to punish a country for doing something outrageous - invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.
     
    His job is to get as much support for his country as possible. This is what a normal leader of any country would do. One that values its existence, at least. One that isn't fading away.

    And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.
     
    Russia's clumsy brutality is more simian than is what Ukraine is doing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated – the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this “investment” is to punish a country for doing something outrageous – invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).

    The foreign policy realist (such as Philippe Lemoine) will say that we shouldn’t alienate Russia since otherwise Russia could sell advanced weapons systems to rogue regimes and refuse to cooperate with the West on things such as nuclear non-proliferation (Iran, et cetera). Of course, if one wants to truly not alienate Russia, one would need to not only let Russia conquer Ukraine, but also refuse to sponsor a Ukrainian insurgency afterwards as well as refuse to sanction Russia for conquering Ukraine (other than perhaps a few largely meaningless symbolic sanctions). After all, Russia would almost certainly view Western sponsorship of a Ukrainian insurgency and heavy Western sanctions on Russia as being hostile Western acts towards Russia even if the West allowed Russia to conquer Ukraine.

  730. Sher Singh says:
    @Yahya
    @Sher Singh


    Ccucked – you create an entire religion for people to come fuck your women.
     
    Your entire religion is just a discount version of Hinduism.

    Your Sikh-posting is a compensatory mechanism for your religious inferiority complex.

    And your own status as a deracinated emigre.

    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.

    Deep down you know women wouldn’t touch a Sikh with a ten-foot pole.

    Muslims are the Übermensch of the Indian subcontinent.


    https://i.ibb.co/JrdKF07/9-D88-E57-E-56-DE-4-A0-C-9632-6031-BAE751-C8.jpg


    Followed by the Brahmins and Kshatriyas.


    https://youtu.be/qwOMXWy-JXs


    Sikhs dwell at the bottom, alongside the cāṇḍāla.

    Increase the prayers to Allah, and don’t eat pork.

    لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الل

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.

    All women belong to the Khalsa so I can’t even say that.
    Muslim women have always treated us well – that’s a fact, even today.

    You want to be Western so bad but your mannerisms & thick accent make you stand out.

    You seeth at someone in a Turban with beard, Salotar & Sword who gets along fine.

    Dust off your Asshole after the Mullah’s inspection during Namaz.

    Make a man of yourself Yahya.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Sher Singh

    You like to LARP as a Chad, but in reality you are a squishy faggot.

    You lift weights because you were bullied as a kid - probably by a Negro.

    You seethe because you cannot be as Alpha as an Arab.

    You wish you were living in Dubai or Jeddah.

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    I rock a thawb and bisht just fine when I need to.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  731. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    And would network states be for everyone or only for the rich?
     
    Since you'd need money (and visa etc.) for international travel and for buying property in the offline world, I'd assume so.
    I need to look into the concept, but the idea sounds bizarre to me, a state is defined by sovereignty, the ability to set policies and make laws, ultimately by means of coercion, there's no way some online community could usurp that without coming into conflict with real states...and if you don't have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping. It's like confusing online fandoms or some forum with a political community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    Agreed. Also, one more thing worth mentioning: Despite Anatoly Karlin’s newfound Wokeness of convenience, it’s actually ironically incredibly racist to argue in favor of open borders. Why? Because it implies that non-whites other than East Asians (and a few others–Vietnamese, Ashkenazi Jews, Indian Brahmins, et cetera) cannot flourish and prosper unless they live near a lot of whites (or East Asians, etc, but the open borders folks appear to be less passionate about open borders for East Asian countries than for white countries). If that’s not racist, then I don’t know what is.

    Arguing for open borders is an implicit acknowledgement that decolonization, that legendary progressive cause celebre, has actually been a miserable failure in a lot of places and that a lot of Third Worlders actually prefer white rule to rule by their own countrymen or even to rule by other Third Worlders who are not their own countrymen.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, and don't forget Dems are the real racists and blacks are the real victims of Affirmative Action. Did you just arrive from 1995?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  732. @AP
    @Mikel


    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn’t start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.
     
    You don't have Russia as a neighbor.

    Anglos have only been losers for about 30 years. They have allowed their capital to be taken over by often-hostile settlers and many of them (especially many of their elites) denigrate their own glorious civilization.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.


    My people already have their own country. That’s what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco – Pays Basque (Basque Country).
     
    You don't have your own state.

    I don’t know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,… A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn’t have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that’s what turns you on.
     
    Thank you for the info.

    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.

    But, perhaps because you don't have your own state - according to wiki only 28% of Basques (already a small nation) speak their own language.


    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.

    I don’t know what that has to do with anything but you’re wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her.
     

    Not that it maters (or should matter), but I commend you.

    My American son doesn’t speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US
     
    This is sad.

    to be honest, I don’t want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.
     
    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.

    I'm "assimilated" fine, professionally and socially. I am not deracinated, however. There is a difference.


    Asking what’s in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization
     
    The odds of this are basically zero. If everyone who mattered in the USA thought as you do, Russia would have regained everything to Germany by now, it only would have needed to threaten nukes. That would raise the "existential risk."

    I don’t think I’ve ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not)
     
    These are from two different streams. Much of the billions is in the form of equipment and arms that we would be spending money maintaining anyways. It is inflated - the price of what this stuff would be brand new when it was build 20 years ago. And it is a fraction of the defense budget.

    The return on this "investment" is to punish a country for doing something outrageous - invading and annexing territory in Europe against native wishes, militarily degrade a rival, help local arms industry (the stuff that is not old is being produced in the USA), test and refine weapons. At the cost of no US lives (other than individual volunteers).

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.
     
    His job is to get as much support for his country as possible. This is what a normal leader of any country would do. One that values its existence, at least. One that isn't fading away.

    And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.
     
    Russia's clumsy brutality is more simian than is what Ukraine is doing.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    So all the good that your people have, was gained by your people doing what the Ukrainians are doing now.

    Not at all. The most important part was gained through hard work and honest business practices. As for self-government, a part of it was due (imo) to the pressure imposed on the Spaniards through something similar to what the Ukrainians are doing. ETA was definitely a ruthless and vicious organization. Quite a few of the victims of its bombings were innocent people, including children. I’ll let you decide if some more autonomy was worth that price or not. But even there there was a huge difference. ETA never demanded that foreigners support their struggle. Much less that anyone started WW3 to expel the Spaniards from Basque lands.

    This is how peoples disappear. If it becomes a collective approach, it is a loser nation.

    Italy, Ireland, Poland, the Netherlands, etc continued to exist and prosper after millions emigrated to the USA, became fully assimilated US citizens and abandoned their ancestors’ language. By contrast, the countries of origin of the least assimilated people in the US, such as the Hispanics, are not what one usually regards as ‘winners”.

  733. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN


    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.
     
    But still you didn't understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    I am grateful to the Soviet education system that taught me British English: now I can enjoy Tolkien and understand every word he used.

    But still you didn’t understand that songbird was talking about the English, not about English. A big difference, actually.

    And your statement that the Brits use 6 times more synonyms than the Americans is of course nonsense.

    Would an American ever describe something as:

    A miasmatic, swirling, abyss burdened with the odours of brimstone and bile.

    I do not remember what that is from, but it is definitely British.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: songbird
  734. @songbird
    @German_reader

    To address Mr. XYZ:


    And the US would be expected to tolerate white nationalist network states in an era where the US population is astronomically more diverse and tolerant

     

    Only possible discriminatory mechanism that I heard him mention seems to be paying dues or shared political interest. Presumably this would keep many people out, but I don't see any real workaround to civil rights law. (And how it would be possible to create a network state that advocates against it or other forms of poz)

    In particular, I find it a deficiency that he doesn't mention how trannies dominate a lot of social networks by their bullying and mania. He does not explain how to keep them out.

    and if you don’t have that kind of sovereignty, pretending you opt out of the existing system is just larping.
     
    I've thought of a funny analogy he should use:

    He should say something like "the tremendous political power that gays have was created by their networking ability, moving into urban environments, not having a family life, and being able to meet in segregated bars, etc. We can duplicate the power of gays, by using cyberspace."

    I may have to try to read more of him. Even if he is obviously missing pieces, I think some of his ideas are interesting, like verifiable history leading to better predictions and control theory.

    I wonder what AK's 'One Commandment' would be, since he seems to believe in the idea. book seems to mention some crazy ideas, like a state built around life extension -seems rather to be putting the cart before the horse, in ignoring natalism. IMO, you can't possibly have a state without children.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ

    If network states are a part of a larger unit, such as the EU, if Montenegro will eventually join it, could its exclusionary immigration policies be subjected to challenge in EU courts? Especially if these policies will be outside of existing European norms?

    And of course EU citizens would get easy access to Montenegro due to the EU’s internal open borders. The EU is actually a wet dream for open borders people lol.

  735. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool

    Well, I don’t want to miss up on another ethnic slug-fest.


    I hope you exterminate each other one day, so we – normal people can live peacefully at last and move on from these Semitic elucbrations
     
    Which normal people are you referring to?

    The people cooking each other’s heads in the fields of Ukraine?

    The ones bringing the world ever closer to Nuclear Armageddon, over some depopulated rust belt sh*tholes in the Donbass?

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet - the Holy Land.

    Hardly anyone cared, much less heard of, Donetsk and Luhansk before this war erupted. Zero historical significance outside of Russia/Ukraine.

    But now multiple nuclear powers are being dragged into a petty territorial conflict between you Slavs. Several 3rd world countries are at risk of famine.

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book.

    I don’t think you are either, are you ?

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?

    Normal people are all that people that make efforts to foster peace.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/jewish-muslim-friendship-in-middle-east-helps-us-stand-together-opinion-665916

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet – the Holy Land.

    It’s a sand box ignored by half of humans living on the planet.

    That’s a sacred place below:

    And unlike the Semitic sanctuaries, it is not man made…

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    I don’t think you are either, are you ?
     
    Apologies, I didn’t read your comment carefully.

    Thought you were referring to all Semites.

    That’s a sacred place below:
     
    Where is that?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  736. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya


    Your common refrain that “X group’s women love our hair” masks your insecurity.
     
    All women belong to the Khalsa so I can't even say that.
    Muslim women have always treated us well - that's a fact, even today.

    You want to be Western so bad but your mannerisms & thick accent make you stand out.
    ---

    You seeth at someone in a Turban with beard, Salotar & Sword who gets along fine.
    ---
    Dust off your Asshole after the Mullah's inspection during Namaz.

    Make a man of yourself Yahya.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Yahya

    You like to LARP as a Chad, but in reality you are a squishy faggot.

    You lift weights because you were bullied as a kid – probably by a Negro.

    You seethe because you cannot be as Alpha as an Arab.

    You wish you were living in Dubai or Jeddah.

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    I rock a thawb and bisht just fine when I need to.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    You can marry them after we're done - that's halal..

    You don't come off as someone who's ever got in a fight.

    Typical faggy Arab who's spent most of the Islamic era under foreign rule.

    Same as anywhere tbh.

    Let the Talwar speak.

    >tries to racially insult Indians
    >literal product of Gujju cucking Arabs

    https://twitter.com/Pb08Waleee/status/1659953133546528775?s=20

    The Arabic language developed as a way for people to clear their nostrils of desert sand.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  737. @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya


    Zionists + Islamists = same sh☆t in my book.
     
    I don't think you are either, are you ?

    So which group again is responsible for disturbing the peace of “normal people”?
     
    Normal people are all that people that make efforts to foster peace.

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/jewish-muslim-friendship-in-middle-east-helps-us-stand-together-opinion-665916

    At least us Semites are fighting over sacred ground. The most historically important stretch of land on the planet – the Holy Land.
     
    It's a sand box ignored by half of humans living on the planet.

    That's a sacred place below:

    https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-87536736,width-748,height-499,resizemode=4,imgsize-110998/Kailash-stays-undefeated.jpg

    And unlike the Semitic sanctuaries, it is not man made...

    Replies: @Yahya

    I don’t think you are either, are you ?

    Apologies, I didn’t read your comment carefully.

    Thought you were referring to all Semites.

    That’s a sacred place below:

    Where is that?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Yahya

    Mount Kailash.

    https://sacredsites.com/asia/tibet/mt_kailash.html

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/trekking-mount-kailash-one-of-the-worlds-greatest-overland-trips

    The Holy Site of your Indian Y haplogroup R1a ancestors before they converted to Islam.

  738. @Mr. XYZ
    @Ivashka the fool

    This quarter-Jew will likely defend one's right to burn the Torah and/or Talmud even if one is not Jewish:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Strossen

    I do wonder what the laws on this topic are in Israel, though.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/28/bible.burning/index.html

    https://newdailycompass.com/en/forbidden-to-talk-about-jesus-shock-proposal-in-israel

    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.

    Nothing to add, ain’t gonna discuss anything seriously with a pervert who enjoys teenage trannies and writing about but plugs.

    You should change your pseudonym from Mr XYZ to Mr LGBT…

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ivashka the fool


    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.
     
    The Knesset has 120 members. One or two have floated some crazy ideas that will never pass. Blaming all Jews for those nutters is like blaming all Americans for Ilhan "Incest" Omar's SJW Muslim deviance.

    • The bulk of Palestinian Jews do not support the Knesset extremists.
    • SJW Muslims in America (and abroad) support the Islamist deviancy of Ilhan Omar.

    Any comparison based on "just like" is a red carpet for failed analysis. Islamic deviancy is overwhelmingly supported in Europe and America by Muslims. Horrible individuals like Rashida Tlaib are idolized.

    If you want to prove me wrong, name a senior elected Republican Muslim in America.

    You cannot find one. Islam in America and Europe is an exclusively permissive and deviant SJW religion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  739. @Yahya
    @Ivashka the fool


    I don’t think you are either, are you ?
     
    Apologies, I didn’t read your comment carefully.

    Thought you were referring to all Semites.

    That’s a sacred place below:
     
    Where is that?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Mount Kailash.

    https://sacredsites.com/asia/tibet/mt_kailash.html

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/articles/trekking-mount-kailash-one-of-the-worlds-greatest-overland-trips

    The Holy Site of your Indian Y haplogroup R1a ancestors before they converted to Islam.

    • Thanks: Yahya
  740. A123 says: • Website
    @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. XYZ

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/28/bible.burning/index.html

    https://newdailycompass.com/en/forbidden-to-talk-about-jesus-shock-proposal-in-israel

    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.

    Nothing to add, ain't gonna discuss anything seriously with a pervert who enjoys teenage trannies and writing about but plugs.

    You should change your pseudonym from Mr XYZ to Mr LGBT...

    Replies: @A123

    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.

    The Knesset has 120 members. One or two have floated some crazy ideas that will never pass. Blaming all Jews for those nutters is like blaming all Americans for Ilhan “Incest” Omar’s SJW Muslim deviance.

    • The bulk of Palestinian Jews do not support the Knesset extremists.
    • SJW Muslims in America (and abroad) support the Islamist deviancy of Ilhan Omar.

    Any comparison based on “just like” is a red carpet for failed analysis. Islamic deviancy is overwhelmingly supported in Europe and America by Muslims. Horrible individuals like Rashida Tlaib are idolized.

    If you want to prove me wrong, name a senior elected Republican Muslim in America.

    You cannot find one. Islam in America and Europe is an exclusively permissive and deviant SJW religion.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @A123

    So you confirm that some Jews are indeed fanatics.

    Duly noted.

    Replies: @A123

  741. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Agreed. Also, one more thing worth mentioning: Despite Anatoly Karlin's newfound Wokeness of convenience, it's actually ironically incredibly racist to argue in favor of open borders. Why? Because it implies that non-whites other than East Asians (and a few others--Vietnamese, Ashkenazi Jews, Indian Brahmins, et cetera) cannot flourish and prosper unless they live near a lot of whites (or East Asians, etc, but the open borders folks appear to be less passionate about open borders for East Asian countries than for white countries). If that's not racist, then I don't know what is.

    Arguing for open borders is an implicit acknowledgement that decolonization, that legendary progressive cause celebre, has actually been a miserable failure in a lot of places and that a lot of Third Worlders actually prefer white rule to rule by their own countrymen or even to rule by other Third Worlders who are not their own countrymen.

    Replies: @Matra

    Yeah, and don’t forget Dems are the real racists and blacks are the real victims of Affirmative Action. Did you just arrive from 1995?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Some liberals are, in fact, racist:

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/people-of-color-have-agency

    And affirmative action could be construed as being racist towards blacks since it gives the accurate impression that blacks are unable to meet higher standards anywhere near as frequently as some other groups.

    For that matter, denouncing timeliness as an example of white privilege is also racist towards blacks for assuming that blacks are incapable of showing up to school, college, work, et cetera on time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Matra

  742. Sher Singh says:
    @Yahya
    @Sher Singh

    You like to LARP as a Chad, but in reality you are a squishy faggot.

    You lift weights because you were bullied as a kid - probably by a Negro.

    You seethe because you cannot be as Alpha as an Arab.

    You wish you were living in Dubai or Jeddah.

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    I rock a thawb and bisht just fine when I need to.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    You can marry them after we’re done – that’s halal..

    You don’t come off as someone who’s ever got in a fight.

    Typical faggy Arab who’s spent most of the Islamic era under foreign rule.

    Same as anywhere tbh.

    Let the Talwar speak.

    >tries to racially insult Indians
    >literal product of Gujju cucking Arabs

    The Arabic language developed as a way for people to clear their nostrils of desert sand.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/8/4/166060645-dr-strangelove-jpg.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  743. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, and don't forget Dems are the real racists and blacks are the real victims of Affirmative Action. Did you just arrive from 1995?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Some liberals are, in fact, racist:

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/people-of-color-have-agency

    And affirmative action could be construed as being racist towards blacks since it gives the accurate impression that blacks are unable to meet higher standards anywhere near as frequently as some other groups.

    For that matter, denouncing timeliness as an example of white privilege is also racist towards blacks for assuming that blacks are incapable of showing up to school, college, work, et cetera on time.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    Urinals are racist against muslims since they're not allowed to stand and pee.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ

    It's been a talking point of squishy conservatives for decades because they are afraid of taking their own group's side lest they be called racists. There is some truth to what you say but liberals are usually motivated by hatred of other whites so pointing out that they often deny agency to non-whites (usually blacks) doesn't accomplish anything. If anything such conservatives just signal their fear of the R-word to liberals and non-whites. As for AK, rather than having changed his HBD beliefs he's just calculating and cynical.

  744. @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Some liberals are, in fact, racist:

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/people-of-color-have-agency

    And affirmative action could be construed as being racist towards blacks since it gives the accurate impression that blacks are unable to meet higher standards anywhere near as frequently as some other groups.

    For that matter, denouncing timeliness as an example of white privilege is also racist towards blacks for assuming that blacks are incapable of showing up to school, college, work, et cetera on time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Matra

    Urinals are racist against muslims since they’re not allowed to stand and pee.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Sher Singh

    Maybe there are more Muslims in Germany than we thought.


    https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/1660271733293699074

  745. @A123
    @Ivashka the fool


    Jewish fanatics, just like their Islamic counterparts.
     
    The Knesset has 120 members. One or two have floated some crazy ideas that will never pass. Blaming all Jews for those nutters is like blaming all Americans for Ilhan "Incest" Omar's SJW Muslim deviance.

    • The bulk of Palestinian Jews do not support the Knesset extremists.
    • SJW Muslims in America (and abroad) support the Islamist deviancy of Ilhan Omar.

    Any comparison based on "just like" is a red carpet for failed analysis. Islamic deviancy is overwhelmingly supported in Europe and America by Muslims. Horrible individuals like Rashida Tlaib are idolized.

    If you want to prove me wrong, name a senior elected Republican Muslim in America.

    You cannot find one. Islam in America and Europe is an exclusively permissive and deviant SJW religion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    So you confirm that some Jews are indeed fanatics.

    Duly noted.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    I confirm -- Water is wet.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm -- A tiny % of any group is extreme.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm -- Gravity pulls things down.
        But you already knew that.
    ____

    Is there some serious point you were trying to make?
    Or, are you being a pathetic anti-Semitic troll?

    Why do you hate Judeo-Christians?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    P.S. OT218 is now unstable and failing.
           You may need to hold responses until OT219.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  746. @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Some liberals are, in fact, racist:

    https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/people-of-color-have-agency

    And affirmative action could be construed as being racist towards blacks since it gives the accurate impression that blacks are unable to meet higher standards anywhere near as frequently as some other groups.

    For that matter, denouncing timeliness as an example of white privilege is also racist towards blacks for assuming that blacks are incapable of showing up to school, college, work, et cetera on time.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Matra

    It’s been a talking point of squishy conservatives for decades because they are afraid of taking their own group’s side lest they be called racists. There is some truth to what you say but liberals are usually motivated by hatred of other whites so pointing out that they often deny agency to non-whites (usually blacks) doesn’t accomplish anything. If anything such conservatives just signal their fear of the R-word to liberals and non-whites. As for AK, rather than having changed his HBD beliefs he’s just calculating and cynical.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
  747. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. XYZ

    Urinals are racist against muslims since they're not allowed to stand and pee.

    Replies: @Matra

    Maybe there are more Muslims in Germany than we thought.

    [MORE]

  748. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    Muslim women take pity on you.

    You can marry them after we're done - that's halal..

    You don't come off as someone who's ever got in a fight.

    Typical faggy Arab who's spent most of the Islamic era under foreign rule.

    Same as anywhere tbh.

    Let the Talwar speak.

    >tries to racially insult Indians
    >literal product of Gujju cucking Arabs

    https://twitter.com/Pb08Waleee/status/1659953133546528775?s=20

    The Arabic language developed as a way for people to clear their nostrils of desert sand.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://m.youtube.com/shorts/N0v08OPkRBs

    ਅਕਾਲ

  749. A123 says: • Website
    @Ivashka the fool
    @A123

    So you confirm that some Jews are indeed fanatics.

    Duly noted.

    Replies: @A123

    I confirm — Water is wet.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm — A tiny % of any group is extreme.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm — Gravity pulls things down.
        But you already knew that.
    ____

    Is there some serious point you were trying to make?
    Or, are you being a pathetic anti-Semitic troll?

    Why do you hate Judeo-Christians?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    P.S. OT218 is now unstable and failing.
           You may need to hold responses until OT219.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @A123

    I hate no one. But if someone is an imbecile, I don't feel inclined to call that someone otherwise just because 3500 years ago a group of that someone's indirect ancestors wrote fancy stories about their supposed spiritual greatness.

    But you already knew that.

  750. • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail

    The US government buys whatever is available. Better goods weren’t on offer. This just illustrates the situation in the RF. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo.

    Naturally, sluts are cheap: normal prostitutes demand money. Some cheap sluts pretend that they can sing. That’s all there is to it.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mikhail

    Spring Breakers Crimea

  751. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @AP


    Furthermore, if one considers self-determination to be important, borders important, and wars (especially in Europe) as bad, then one must enact a price on those violate self-determination, borders and peace. Russia violated 2 of those 3 when it took Crimea and Donbas, but all 3 when it seized the Crimean corridor.
     
    That much is true. As I've written before, imo Russia definitely went much too far with its invasion of February 2022, so a strong reaction was appropriate.

    There is no existential risk of nuclear war, at least not beyond the limits of the stable phase of the Cold War.
     
    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there's a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine...all the more since so many of Russia's previous "red lines" have already been crossed without consequences. But who knows how long this luck will continue. Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia's historic core territories (there wasn't even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all). Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development. And there are of course also other factors, like China's potential involvement on Russia's side.
    Essentially it's a high stakes gamble. If it succeeds and Russia is destroyed as a great power, that's of course great from the pov of those invested in American global hegemony (I have my own issues with that, but let's leave that aside for the moment). But if it doesn't, the results could be catastrophic.

    Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable.
     
    I don't agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. "Desperate struggle for existence" makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland's occupation by Germany during WW2, where the eventual outcome would have been existence as a slave people or even physical annihilation. Nothing like that was on the cards even during Russia's initial invasion (presumably the goal was installing a puppet regime, and some territorial annexations). Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine. So I don't agree that "all measures are acceptable".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine

    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia’s elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone’s family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won’t use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)

    Didn’t the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development

    Russia doesn’t have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    “Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable.”

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2

    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.

    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms – that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.
     
    I am not sure. You are not either, your bravado is based on not thinking it through.

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group...that group can't survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory...the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke...maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland...

    What are the odds that an order would be given and obeyed? What are the odds that Nato would then respond in kind? What are the odds that for strategic reasons the whole hell would break lose ('use them or lose them').

    The odds are non-zero, probably 2% now, but up to uncomfortable levels with a direct attack on Russia or loss of Crimea...then we are not safe in Europe or US. What would we die for? For the crazy dream of Nato bases in Ukraine and banning the Russian language...Do you think it is worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.
     
    Somewhat off-topic, but does this mean that Russia won't respond with nukes if China will ever attack the Russian Far East either? Such as if a more liberal and pro-Western regime will ever come to power in Russia?
    , @Mikel
    @AP


    nuclear war with the West means that everyone’s family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won’t use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.
     
    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there's no need to worry anymore. Let's declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Let's help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia. They won't dare use their nukes and extinguish themselves. It would be silly. We can all sit down and relax watching the show from our coaches.

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It's like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that's too horrific or Putin will never invade Ukraine because he's not so irrational.

    As a matter of fact, Putin had clearly explained his imperialistic designs on Ukraine in an article published the summer before the invasion. But why pay attention to what Putin says? He's a liar and a deranged dictator so let's ignore his threats. By the same token, when he said that he's not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in so he wouldn't hesitate to destroy it if someone attacked Russia it was all empty threats. Purely imaginary red lines in our minds. Let's cross them and build a better world. We're perfectly safe in Germany or the US.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea.
     
    A nuclear war presumably wouldn't start with the intent to initiate a full-on strategic exchange. I would begin in incremental steps, probably first tactical nukes on the battlefield in Ukraine, then a Western response to that. Decisions would be taken in short time frames, under pressure and possibly based on limited or even false information (e. g. Putin could believe the US has initiated a nuclear decapitation strike against the Russian leadership and Russia's nuclear forces, then it would be a question of making a decision within minutes to launch nuclear missiles, before they might be destroyed; the Russian fear seems to be that their 2nd strike capability isn't assured). A lot of opportunities for miscalculations. And at some point those making the decisions might not even care about anything like their own families anymore, it might be a matter of principle, not to let the other side go unpunished for its supposed transgressions.
    You put far too much trust in rational behaviour among those making the decisions (all the more surprising, since you never argue for restraint when it comes to your own side, essentially you're just hoping that Putin and his circle will do the supposedly rational thing).

    Didn’t the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary?
     
    That's news to me. I don't think it's the standard view that Suez was decisive and that Western powers would otherwise have intervened in Hungary (which almost certainly would have triggered WW3).

    You are safe, in Germany.
     
    Germany is deeply implicated in this conflict, not just through arms shipments to Ukraine, but also through training Ukrainian troops and housing NATO command structures on its territory. It's also a country which has no independent means of deterrence or retaliation against a nuclear attack. Even if Russia and the US would ultimately recoil from a full-on strategic exchange destroying their national territories, central Europe might still be devastated.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms
     
    I'm not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself) things might get very dangerous. Ukraine's government has shown no willingness at all to exercise the restraint that would be necessary in such a situation, and many of its Western supporters are egging them on to take maximalist positions.
    It may all remain academic anyway, I'm not convinced Ukraine will actually be able to conquer Crimea. But there still needs to be a discussion about war aims, and Ukrainians and their hardline supporters can't expect it's them alone who are setting the terms of that debate.
  752. @AP
    @Beckow

    Wishful thinking by a shallow ignoramus. Galicia became Galicia as a result of World War I and the Polish-Ukrainian war that followed.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Didn’t decades of pre-WWI Ukrainian nationalist education and indoctrination under Austria also have a role in Galicia’s development?

  753. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/8/4/166060645-dr-strangelove-jpg.jpg

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  754. @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    Laxa was right, Gerard-like commenters/people are very useful - even if RF will be kicked out of Crimea, they will continue pontificating from the high mountains about the crushing Putin triumph and ensuing stability and prosperity upon Kremlin wisemen guidance;) It works as a mental painkiller and helps to remain calm for the patients instead of thrashing around in desperation and making damage to themselves and others.

    Replies: @Beckow

    if RF will be kicked out of Crimea…it works as a mental painkiller and helps to remain calm

    You do realize that works both ways? If ‘RF is not kicked out…‘ and Ukie-land gradually becomes a shrunken wasteland, angry, resentful, regretful…still not in the ‘European club’, and strung along by Nato so they can use the Ukie men to die in their wars…

    Any rational person would ask: which one of the two scenarios has better odds? Given that RF out of Crimea would likely mean a nuclear war, I will go with the shrunken Ukielands. Over time you will get used to it too, with or without painkillers…:)

  755. @AP
    @German_reader


    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine
     
    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia's elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone's family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn't going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won't use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)
     
    Didn't the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development
     
    Russia doesn't have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    "Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable."

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2
     
    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
     
    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms - that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @German_reader

    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    I am not sure. You are not either, your bravado is based on not thinking it through.

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group…that group can’t survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory…the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke…maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland…

    What are the odds that an order would be given and obeyed? What are the odds that Nato would then respond in kind? What are the odds that for strategic reasons the whole hell would break lose (‘use them or lose them‘).

    The odds are non-zero, probably 2% now, but up to uncomfortable levels with a direct attack on Russia or loss of Crimea…then we are not safe in Europe or US. What would we die for? For the crazy dream of Nato bases in Ukraine and banning the Russian language…Do you think it is worth it?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    NATO doesn't need bases in Ukraine if Ukraine will be a part of NATO. Ukraine's military has demonstrated that it can defend itself just fine. NATO can move in swiftly from the NATO countries further to the west if Russia will ever attack Ukraine again.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    BTW, this is off-topic, but I might as well ask: If the West offered Russia a package deal in December 2021 where the West accepts the entire Russian ultimatum to the West/Ukraine in exchange for Russia doing whatever the West wants it to do in regards to China (so, at the very least, joining any Western sanctions regime on China in the event that China will ever attack Taiwan) and actually committing to this promise in writing in the form of a legal document signed by both it and prominent Western powers such as the US, would Russia have actually agreed to such a deal?

    FWIW, I actually do suspect that foreign policy realists such as John Mearsheimer and Steven (Steve) Hsu would have likely proposed such a deal between the West and Russia in December 2021 had they been US President during this time in place of Joe Biden. The crucial question, of course, is whether Russia would actually accept such a deal and openly backstab its Chinese ally like that. I'm skeptical, but it depends on just how much Russia genuinely wanted that ultimatum of its fulfilled versus merely using that ultimatum of its as an excuse to attack Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group…that group can’t survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory
     
    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.

    There is as much a chance of that happening as there is a chance of America sacrificing itself in a nuclear holocaust over a Russian takeover of Estonia.

    But Russia’s nuclear rhetoric is useful because it works in the dumber sorts of cowards. Or for appeasers who know, but who find the excuse a useful one.

    the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke…maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland…
     
    This is probably what you eagerly want, but such a response (tactical nuke against a Ukrainian city or more likely Ukrainian forces in the field*) would not lead not to a nuclear counter strike and nuclear escalation. The West would allow Russia to keep the distinction of being the only country to use nukes in the 21st century and the only country to use nukes to kill Europeans. The West would instead implement some devastating conventional response such as the sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of much of Russia’s army by conventional forces. The response would be more devastating on a practical level then Russia’s nuke strike. For this reason, a Russian tactical strike in response to something like Ukrainian forces entering and taking northern Crimea or devastating Belgorod would be very unlikely. Not 0% chance as would be the chances of nuking America, but .01% or whatever chance.

    And then we are back to square one: is Russia going to sacrifice 120 million of its own people by launching nukes against the West in response to losing the Black Sea fleet? Of course not.

    * I doubt Russia would hit a base in Poland or a city in western Ukraine where fallout would hit Poland or miscalculation might result in Polish territory getting hit. A tactical nuke would likely hit an eastern Ukrainian city such as Zaporizhia or Kharkiv (most of Russia’s efforts so far have involved killing eastern Ukrainians, it’s a clear pattern) or would be used on the battlefield. But as I said, the chances of this being attempted in response to something like taking northern Crimea or Belgorod are probably .01% or so.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  756. @Beckow
    @AP


    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.
     
    I am not sure. You are not either, your bravado is based on not thinking it through.

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group...that group can't survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory...the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke...maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland...

    What are the odds that an order would be given and obeyed? What are the odds that Nato would then respond in kind? What are the odds that for strategic reasons the whole hell would break lose ('use them or lose them').

    The odds are non-zero, probably 2% now, but up to uncomfortable levels with a direct attack on Russia or loss of Crimea...then we are not safe in Europe or US. What would we die for? For the crazy dream of Nato bases in Ukraine and banning the Russian language...Do you think it is worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    NATO doesn’t need bases in Ukraine if Ukraine will be a part of NATO. Ukraine’s military has demonstrated that it can defend itself just fine. NATO can move in swiftly from the NATO countries further to the west if Russia will ever attack Ukraine again.

  757. @AP
    @German_reader


    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine
     
    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia's elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone's family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn't going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won't use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)
     
    Didn't the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development
     
    Russia doesn't have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    "Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable."

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2
     
    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
     
    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms - that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @German_reader

    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    Somewhat off-topic, but does this mean that Russia won’t respond with nukes if China will ever attack the Russian Far East either? Such as if a more liberal and pro-Western regime will ever come to power in Russia?

  758. @Beckow
    @AP


    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.
     
    I am not sure. You are not either, your bravado is based on not thinking it through.

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group...that group can't survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory...the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke...maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland...

    What are the odds that an order would be given and obeyed? What are the odds that Nato would then respond in kind? What are the odds that for strategic reasons the whole hell would break lose ('use them or lose them').

    The odds are non-zero, probably 2% now, but up to uncomfortable levels with a direct attack on Russia or loss of Crimea...then we are not safe in Europe or US. What would we die for? For the crazy dream of Nato bases in Ukraine and banning the Russian language...Do you think it is worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    BTW, this is off-topic, but I might as well ask: If the West offered Russia a package deal in December 2021 where the West accepts the entire Russian ultimatum to the West/Ukraine in exchange for Russia doing whatever the West wants it to do in regards to China (so, at the very least, joining any Western sanctions regime on China in the event that China will ever attack Taiwan) and actually committing to this promise in writing in the form of a legal document signed by both it and prominent Western powers such as the US, would Russia have actually agreed to such a deal?

    FWIW, I actually do suspect that foreign policy realists such as John Mearsheimer and Steven (Steve) Hsu would have likely proposed such a deal between the West and Russia in December 2021 had they been US President during this time in place of Joe Biden. The crucial question, of course, is whether Russia would actually accept such a deal and openly backstab its Chinese ally like that. I’m skeptical, but it depends on just how much Russia genuinely wanted that ultimatum of its fulfilled versus merely using that ultimatum of its as an excuse to attack Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    You didn't answer my question above...it was about the nuclear escalation path, not about whether Nato would 'officially' have bases in Ukraine (de facto they would, and that all that matters).


    whether Russia would actually accept such a deal and openly backstab its Chinese ally like that. I’m skeptical
     
    I am also very skeptical. For two reasons Russia wouldn't accept it:
    - China is potentially bigger danger than the West - good relations are crucial, why mess it up?
    - Russia has made it clear that any 'verbal' agreements with Washington are pointless because US is not 'agreement capable'.

    Any deal in December 2021 had to be tangible: moving bases and arms out, specific things that Nato simply couldn't do without losing face. Russian offer in Dec 2021 was done to put on record what they want - and to stall until the Beijing Olympics were over.

    Nato could have negotiated, but neither side was in a position to make a deal by then...the war has been inevitable since around 2020, maybe all the way back in 2014. It started with the madness and overreach on Maidan...

  759. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    BTW, this is off-topic, but I might as well ask: If the West offered Russia a package deal in December 2021 where the West accepts the entire Russian ultimatum to the West/Ukraine in exchange for Russia doing whatever the West wants it to do in regards to China (so, at the very least, joining any Western sanctions regime on China in the event that China will ever attack Taiwan) and actually committing to this promise in writing in the form of a legal document signed by both it and prominent Western powers such as the US, would Russia have actually agreed to such a deal?

    FWIW, I actually do suspect that foreign policy realists such as John Mearsheimer and Steven (Steve) Hsu would have likely proposed such a deal between the West and Russia in December 2021 had they been US President during this time in place of Joe Biden. The crucial question, of course, is whether Russia would actually accept such a deal and openly backstab its Chinese ally like that. I'm skeptical, but it depends on just how much Russia genuinely wanted that ultimatum of its fulfilled versus merely using that ultimatum of its as an excuse to attack Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You didn’t answer my question above…it was about the nuclear escalation path, not about whether Nato would ‘officially’ have bases in Ukraine (de facto they would, and that all that matters).

    whether Russia would actually accept such a deal and openly backstab its Chinese ally like that. I’m skeptical

    I am also very skeptical. For two reasons Russia wouldn’t accept it:
    – China is potentially bigger danger than the West – good relations are crucial, why mess it up?
    – Russia has made it clear that any ‘verbal’ agreements with Washington are pointless because US is not ‘agreement capable‘.

    Any deal in December 2021 had to be tangible: moving bases and arms out, specific things that Nato simply couldn’t do without losing face. Russian offer in Dec 2021 was done to put on record what they want – and to stall until the Beijing Olympics were over.

    Nato could have negotiated, but neither side was in a position to make a deal by then…the war has been inevitable since around 2020, maybe all the way back in 2014. It started with the madness and overreach on Maidan…

  760. After such short succesful victorious Bahmut operation Prigozhin continues the career of being the another Strelkov competitor truthteller;)

    The SMO was made for the sake of denazification… And we made Ukraine a nation that is known throughout the world. Legitimized Ukraine… Now, as for demilitarization. If at the beginning of the special operation they had conditionally 500 tanks, now they have five thousand of them. If then 20 thousand fighters skillfully fought, then now 400 thousand. How did we demilitarize it? Now, on the contrary, much as hell, but we have militarized Ukraine.

    https://t.me/rusbrief/119709

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    btw, even after bloody protracted Bahmut, Prigozhin not a fan of using nukes because of a fight with UA:


    What is a nuclear conflict? Here are the neighbors. They had a fight. You can punch your neighbor in the face. You can break dishes. Anything happens. But if a neighbor said FU, and you took an axe and laid it on his head, then this is such a strange situation. Here is a nuclear bomb - this is an axe. No need to run after a neighbor with an axe. You must honestly either just beat his ass or confess that he smacked you. It is necessary to prove one's case on the battlefield, and not to run with an axe as nuclear bomb.
     
    https://nsn.fm/policy/prigozhin-vystupil-protiv-vozmozhnogo-primeneniya-yadernogo-oruzhiya-na-ukraine

    Also makes a case of free Navalny being more useful than locked in jail:


    Hooray-patriotism makes people fool around and do nothing, because everything will still be "hooray" Navalny's effect - Navalny was a complete dick. But he was very useful. When some CEO of state corporation stole money, and Navalny started squealing about it, then it was dangerous for him to withdraw this money. And now, when Navalny is in prison, Navalny is not there, it is possible steal the money, there are no public questions anymore.
     
    https://riafan.ru/24071611-prigozhin_ura_patriotizm_zastavlyaet_lyudei_valyat_duraka_i_nichego_ne_delat

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

  761. @German_reader
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    I’m no expert on this issue, but hard to see how else the trade could’ve lastingly collapsed unless you mean Western Roman collapse.
     
    Yes, in the 5th century. I'm not an expert on this issue either (not much of an "expert" on anything tbh, lol), but iirc it's now believed long-distance trade (and the ecoonomic complexity linked to it) was drastically reduced well before the Islamic conquests. Maybe look at that book by Bryan Ward-Perkins (The end of Rome and the fall of civilization), I think he discusses the evidence from amphorae deposits etc. which hint at such a process, at least in the Western Mediterranean.
    Of course somewhat relative, North Africa, large parts of Italy and even a bit of southern Spain were still under East Roman rule for quite some time after Justinian's reconquest after all, so there still were significant links.

    I feel it’s a real shame I chose to name my handle on a single issue since it just feels strange discussing anything else.
     
    Maybe you should ask Ron Unz in one of his Open Threads, if he can help you change the name (better don't try anything on your own though like via VPN, it could be interpreted as sockpuppetry and lead to a ban).

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    I’m not an expert on this issue either (not much of an “expert” on anything tbh, lol)

    That’s interesting because you give away the impression that you’re some sort of historian educated with a PhD diploma or something. Although hard to see how being a historian pays and is commercially profitable. Doesn’t feel much different than being a poet or something like that. Seems only real way to earn income as a historian would be from book sales. Fortunately since many periods of history lack solid primary sources and even many issues are contested/debatable, being a historian doesn’t seem to be something that AI can easily substitute.

    E.g. I asked ChatGPT 3 (publicly available one) some history questions and while it’s decent for basic facts about history that is distant from the present, it feels terrible about nearly everything from 1900s onwards (actually same for even say who really caused 2nd Punic War, Rome or Carthage?). So ChatGPT just gives superficial and evasive mainstream answers about everything from Jewish role in Communist Revolution of 1917 in Russia, why Japan really attacked Pearl Harbor in WW2, 1967 sinking of USS Liberty, real causes and unfolding of Yugoslav Wars and collapse, who really did 9/11, did Saddam Hussein have chemical weapons, and so on.

    Maybe you should ask Ron Unz in one of his Open Threads, if he can help you change the name

    Maybe it’s just better to stick to discussions of history since current events are just too flammable and chaotic, while being interpreted based upon a lot of outlandish assumptions (e.g. Ukraine War).

    Otherwise, I’m surprised my comment #705 has generated quite a few reactions. Seems that people have strong and powerful opinions about history, not only the present. If people can’t agree (or at least form a broad consensus) on history, seems no surprise that they can’t agree about the present and future at all.

  762. If people can’t agree (or at least form a broad consensus) on history, seems no surprise that they can’t agree about the present and future at all.

    History is just politics of the past, so why is that somehow surprising?;) Not even to mention that not only causes, but events themselves are not that clearly visible the further back you go…

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    History is just a well polished mythology coupled to unprincipled propaganda. The past is another land, and when we visit it, we are just tourists lead around by tourist guides who are called historians. They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @sudden death


    History is just politics of the past, so why is that somehow surprising?;)
     
    Well, some things might seem obvious or unsurprising in hindsight, but it does take a bit of thinking through to fully understand something, no matter how simple it may appear. At least I feel that way at times.

    As for politics, war stands out most obviously alongside it, but there's many other trends like demography, economics, literature/culture/society and so on that are often neglected.


    Not even to mention that not only causes, but events themselves are not that clearly visible the further back you go…

     

    Well that's an issue of evidence and details. Feels surprising that a large amount of people don't bother to ask themselves basic questions such as who, what, when, where, why, and how about events whose original account often tends to be taken for granted. Regarding contemporary and present news stories, it's just even more hopeless.
  763. @A123
    @Ivashka the fool

    I confirm -- Water is wet.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm -- A tiny % of any group is extreme.
        But you already knew that.

    I confirm -- Gravity pulls things down.
        But you already knew that.
    ____

    Is there some serious point you were trying to make?
    Or, are you being a pathetic anti-Semitic troll?

    Why do you hate Judeo-Christians?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    P.S. OT218 is now unstable and failing.
           You may need to hold responses until OT219.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I hate no one. But if someone is an imbecile, I don’t feel inclined to call that someone otherwise just because 3500 years ago a group of that someone’s indirect ancestors wrote fancy stories about their supposed spiritual greatness.

    But you already knew that.

  764. @Yahya
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Agreed, but I think you’re understating it with the “presumably”, because that “cultural unity” is exactly what was shattered by Islamic conquest.
     
    He’s right to add some qualifications. The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    This is the Mosque of Altinbugha al-Maridani, in Cairo, Egypt, built in 1339–40.


    https://i.ibb.co/689ykVk/AC8257-F0-DD19-4-B75-B7-A3-C3398200-AB9-D.jpg


    Facade of the Doge's Palace, Venice, Italy, 1340–1510


    https://i.ibb.co/PMz8Gtt/6-C207849-93-E2-4-FC8-AEA5-3-D70-F9-E293-EA.jpg


    Notice the similarities in the style of the arcades and crenellations.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate. The Met Museum houses some of the objects exchanged between the two polities during the time period: https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/vmos/hd_vmos.htm

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries. The Renaissance Italians were aware of and influenced by the intellectual developments in the Islamic world. The two Medieval Islamic thinkers, Averroes and Avicenna, were read among the literate elite in Renaissance Europe, and feature in Canto IV of Dante’s Divine Comedy. I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:


    Christianity destroyed for us the whole harvest of ancient civilization, and later it also destroyed for us the whole harvest of Mohammedan civilization. The wonderful culture of the Moors in Spain, which was fundamentally nearer to us and appealed more to our senses and tastes than that of Rome and Greece, was trampled down (—I do not say by what sort of feet—) Why? Because it had to thank noble and manly instincts for its origin—because it said yes to life, even to the rare and refined luxuriousness of Moorish life!... The crusaders later made war on something before which it would have been more fitting for them to have grovelled in the dust—a civilization beside which even that of our nineteenth century seems very poor and very “senile.”—What they wanted, of course, was booty: the orient was rich.... Let us put aside our prejudices! The crusades were a higher form of piracy, nothing more!
     
    Farther North, the Medieval Europeans exported clocks and watches to measure time, eyeglasses and telescopes to improve vision, as attested in the Middle East in the fifteenth century, and maybe even earlier. But by far the most important export of the West to the Islamic world was in weaponry. Already during the Crusades, Frankish prisoners of war were employed in building fortifications, and passed something of their skills to their masters. Saladin, in a letter to the caliph, justifies his action in allowing the continued presence of European merchants in reconquered seaports by explaining that they were useful since ‘there is not one of them that does not bring and sell us weapons of war, to their detriment and to our advantage’. That tradition continued without interruption during the Crusades, the Ottoman advance and retreat, and into modern times.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman–Arab–Byzantine_culture

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sher Singh, @Wokechoke, @Resist Covid Slavery

    The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.

    Don’t you see a basic logical problem here though?

    There was no “Islamic portion of the Mediterranean” before Islamic conquest, meaning that there were no Muslim links pre-existing ~650 AD at all to begin with that could ever even be “broken”.

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate.

    I should’ve clarified that I wasn’t referring strictly and only to trade and commercial transactions, but even things like immigration, settlement, intermarriage, and elite interaction at the level of royal courts. Those are two very different things. Commercial transactions, especially in civilian trade, don’t show the true state of relations between different communities. Perhaps sales/transfer of arms, weapons, and military equipment does though.

    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries.

    Of course, but the way in which there are new apologist perspectives of how those were tolerant, enlightened, or even “Golden Age” conquests are just grotesque. For instance, notion that the Islamic Caliphate itself underwent a “Golden Age” is just nonsense as the Library of Alexandria was actually destroyed by the Muslims as a customary part of practicing Jihad. Unbelievable people get payed to push those narratives. No amount of obfuscation can cover up the sheer extent of Jihad and religious-tribal warfare involved in all of those cases.

    I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream. Interestingly his logic for preference of Islam over Christianity because “Christianity is weak while Islam is a strong warrior Jihad religion” or something along those lines, was also shared by the Nazis. Along with a preference and serious appreciation for paganism.

    Otherwise, I should clarify that I’m not being “Islamophobic” or whatever other nonsense terms there are about that, but that I’m just stating it as I actually perceive it to have been. Since obviously many here are on various sides of many different fault lines of Samuel Huntington’s “Clash of Civilizations”, that may mean everyone just easily gets upset (Huntington’s work was hated by Western liberals and Muslims since he shattered their bubbles and said things like “Islam has bloody borders”, Muslim youth bulge is a serious demographic problem of creating masses of Muslim jihadists, and so on) and nobody is capable of bridging the inherently irreconcilable differences of their perspectives. Still, Huntington’s work is the most relevant, insightful and valuable in its field since 1992 (when it was an original essay response to Fukuyama) while Fukuyama’s “End of History” will hopefully live forever in infamy. It feels like the world would be a better place if everyone honestly acknowledged Huntington’s fault lines and then worked on if not bridging differences, then at least reducing friction as much as possible. It honestly feels to me several problems of the present are caused by ruling elites (particularly in the USA) that embrace the worldview of Francis Fukuyama instead of Samuel Huntington.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream.
     
    He was a philosopher. According to google trends ~ half X Plato. Definitely fringe human but half of a Plato is a mainstream philosopher. That the people who read him and study him are in the weirdo humanities departments is a cultural anomaly.

    https://i.redd.it/y8c6ukoids1b1.png

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.
     
    Yes, this is likely correct, though I want to point out that in the 21st century, there was a single case of a German (Bavarian) royal man marrying a (likely Muslim) Turkish woman:

    https://www.tatler.com/gallery/the-wedding-of-prince-konstantin-of-bavaria-and-princess-deniz-of-bavaria

    This was, of course, almost 100 years after the abolition of the various German Empire monarchies, including Bavaria's.
  765. @sudden death

    If people can’t agree (or at least form a broad consensus) on history, seems no surprise that they can’t agree about the present and future at all.
     
    History is just politics of the past, so why is that somehow surprising?;) Not even to mention that not only causes, but events themselves are not that clearly visible the further back you go...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Resist Covid Slavery

    History is just a well polished mythology coupled to unprincipled propaganda. The past is another land, and when we visit it, we are just tourists lead around by tourist guides who are called historians. They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Ivashka the fool


    They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.
     
    Actually, I think if historians aren't going to explore there, nobody else is going to either. Otherwise that field is left open to for domination by charismatic quacks, grifters and frauds like Graham Hancock or Anatoly Fomenko.
    The average person isn't going to have the background, patience or time to tell the difference between legitimate controversy, cynical self-promotion or plain nuttery when dealing with the distant or even relatively recent past.
    , @Dmitry
    @Ivashka the fool


    usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

     

    It's because the rates of the information transmission to the future is changing in the different epoch.

    As recently as Russian empire times, 90% of people were illiterate. The information transmission to the future from Russian empire times, is mainly shiny information transmitted from a minority of the most wealthy people to the future.

    Especially, for non-historians, the information of the 19th century we receive, is usually only from some elites' entertainment culture, like a few novels, palaces and some music they played only in concert halls in larger cities with mostly educated audience.

    Peoples' view of that time, is a lot from the top 0,1% of the population of the epoch. It's like viewing America today, if only people like Obama's daughters were allowed to post on YouTube. YouTube would be somethings like romance stories about ice-skating in Central Park.

    When the information transmission is from wider circles, then the overall view becomes less rosy. This is a feature of the 21st century. There is view of decline in our time, as the circle of the transmitters is wider after the internet, it could be not reflecting a real decline or not.

  766. @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency. Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result. Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England. In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    I actually think your reply is the most powerful of all with some of the takes in it. I put in effort to retain civility in discussion with Yahya despite mostly disagreeing, but now that I noticed his spat with Sher Singh, maybe I shouldn’t have bothered lol.

    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency.

    I presume it’s referred to as Eastern Romans post 500/600 AD? After all, whole term “Byzantium” was apparently invented by German and Catholic historians of 16th and 17th centuries to delegitimize any Orthodox Christian claims on Eastern Rome and Roman history + inheritance more broadly.

    Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result.

    Although the thesis that Black Death/Bubonic Plague did much to end Feudalism and begin processes of modernity in Europe, it doesn’t really seem to be proven in a smooth continuous link since although power of landowning nobility was harmed by loss of many peasants, land-owning nobles only truly faded away in Western Europe by 1500s and finally in 1600s as a result of deliberate state-centralism.

    Otherwise, one of the most basic debates in history is about when which “period” of history ends, or when a specific “historical process” ends. There is that point about history being a bunch of threads that are continuously woven and rewoven into a broader continuous thread.

    Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England.

    I think this is the single most powerful take I’ve come across in this thread about anything history related. Although it is quite bland compared to anything else in any other corner of Unz Review lol.

    Would you care to explain how exactly England was most severely hit by the Black Death compared to anyone else in Europe?

    Although there is the internal turmoil in England and peasants war, my feeling would be that perhaps France or Genoa (it was Genoese merchants that brought it from the Mongols in Kaffa as per the “established” narrative after all?) got devastated worse by the plague. Feels strange in hindsight that English embarked upon invasion of France and “Hundred” Years War and stubbornly persisted with war despite the plague. Not many seem to speculate that the plague helped the French avoid absolute defeat. Seems surprising the French pulled through to victory in hindsight despite imperfect monarchs, haughty nobility, low-country Flemish-Burgundian collaboration with England and many other factors that worked against the French. Maybe it does show the power of strategic factors such as demographics and the indecisive nature of single or even several battlefield engagements. Either way, Hundred Year’s War feels massively under-rated to me, imo (e.g. 1360 storm saving French defenders of Paris also just seems bizarre and makes one think that the divine truly does exist, along with Joan of Arc).

    In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

    This is another interesting and powerful take. Never though before that the English are the ones that enabled lice to attach to clothes worldwide through wool manufacture/processing.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still. The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

  767. Seems Voltaire was writing that in 1731: “The Ukraine has always aspired to be free”?

  768. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    History is just a well polished mythology coupled to unprincipled propaganda. The past is another land, and when we visit it, we are just tourists lead around by tourist guides who are called historians. They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    Actually, I think if historians aren’t going to explore there, nobody else is going to either. Otherwise that field is left open to for domination by charismatic quacks, grifters and frauds like Graham Hancock or Anatoly Fomenko.
    The average person isn’t going to have the background, patience or time to tell the difference between legitimate controversy, cynical self-promotion or plain nuttery when dealing with the distant or even relatively recent past.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
  769. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Wokechoke

    I actually think your reply is the most powerful of all with some of the takes in it. I put in effort to retain civility in discussion with Yahya despite mostly disagreeing, but now that I noticed his spat with Sher Singh, maybe I shouldn't have bothered lol.


    The plagues at the time of Justinian really did appear to have decimated the Romans. The wealth of Rome depended on having copious slaves. Big plague ruined that dependency.
     
    I presume it's referred to as Eastern Romans post 500/600 AD? After all, whole term "Byzantium" was apparently invented by German and Catholic historians of 16th and 17th centuries to delegitimize any Orthodox Christian claims on Eastern Rome and Roman history + inheritance more broadly.

    Likewise The Medieval period probably ended in England with the Black Death. The traces of modern economy with wages seem to have been cooked up as a result.
     
    Although the thesis that Black Death/Bubonic Plague did much to end Feudalism and begin processes of modernity in Europe, it doesn't really seem to be proven in a smooth continuous link since although power of landowning nobility was harmed by loss of many peasants, land-owning nobles only truly faded away in Western Europe by 1500s and finally in 1600s as a result of deliberate state-centralism.

    Otherwise, one of the most basic debates in history is about when which "period" of history ends, or when a specific "historical process" ends. There is that point about history being a bunch of threads that are continuously woven and rewoven into a broader continuous thread.


    Other regions of Europe were not so badly hit as England.

     

    I think this is the single most powerful take I've come across in this thread about anything history related. Although it is quite bland compared to anything else in any other corner of Unz Review lol.

    Would you care to explain how exactly England was most severely hit by the Black Death compared to anyone else in Europe?

    Although there is the internal turmoil in England and peasants war, my feeling would be that perhaps France or Genoa (it was Genoese merchants that brought it from the Mongols in Kaffa as per the "established" narrative after all?) got devastated worse by the plague. Feels strange in hindsight that English embarked upon invasion of France and "Hundred" Years War and stubbornly persisted with war despite the plague. Not many seem to speculate that the plague helped the French avoid absolute defeat. Seems surprising the French pulled through to victory in hindsight despite imperfect monarchs, haughty nobility, low-country Flemish-Burgundian collaboration with England and many other factors that worked against the French. Maybe it does show the power of strategic factors such as demographics and the indecisive nature of single or even several battlefield engagements. Either way, Hundred Year's War feels massively under-rated to me, imo (e.g. 1360 storm saving French defenders of Paris also just seems bizarre and makes one think that the divine truly does exist, along with Joan of Arc).


    In warmer climates there were fewer layers for lice to hide in and white linen and or silk was much more common. English had wool and lice loved that.

     

    This is another interesting and powerful take. Never though before that the English are the ones that enabled lice to attach to clothes worldwide through wool manufacture/processing.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still. The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Wokechoke


    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still.
     
    We were talking about the period of the Black Death and the Hundred Year's War, not Napoleon. Although your point is correct insofar as I believe for Hundred Year's War France had about 10 million while England had only 1-2 million.

    Since you mentioned the Napoleonic era, perhaps my impression is wrong, but England/Britain's innovation in the Agricultural Revolution led to greater food production which meant the British isles managed to reach parity with France in terms of population post-1815 despite smaller territorial possession.


    The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

     

    I'm curious regarding your sources, or at least a coherent explanation of the reasons why you believe England was uniquely hard hit (we're ignoring China since you chose to focus only on Europe, of course).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Wokechoke

  770. @sudden death

    If people can’t agree (or at least form a broad consensus) on history, seems no surprise that they can’t agree about the present and future at all.
     
    History is just politics of the past, so why is that somehow surprising?;) Not even to mention that not only causes, but events themselves are not that clearly visible the further back you go...

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Resist Covid Slavery

    History is just politics of the past, so why is that somehow surprising?;)

    Well, some things might seem obvious or unsurprising in hindsight, but it does take a bit of thinking through to fully understand something, no matter how simple it may appear. At least I feel that way at times.

    As for politics, war stands out most obviously alongside it, but there’s many other trends like demography, economics, literature/culture/society and so on that are often neglected.

    Not even to mention that not only causes, but events themselves are not that clearly visible the further back you go…

    Well that’s an issue of evidence and details. Feels surprising that a large amount of people don’t bother to ask themselves basic questions such as who, what, when, where, why, and how about events whose original account often tends to be taken for granted. Regarding contemporary and present news stories, it’s just even more hopeless.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  771. @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still. The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still.

    We were talking about the period of the Black Death and the Hundred Year’s War, not Napoleon. Although your point is correct insofar as I believe for Hundred Year’s War France had about 10 million while England had only 1-2 million.

    Since you mentioned the Napoleonic era, perhaps my impression is wrong, but England/Britain’s innovation in the Agricultural Revolution led to greater food production which meant the British isles managed to reach parity with France in terms of population post-1815 despite smaller territorial possession.

    The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

    I’m curious regarding your sources, or at least a coherent explanation of the reasons why you believe England was uniquely hard hit (we’re ignoring China since you chose to focus only on Europe, of course).

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Do you think you could change your username? I'd rather not have Kevin Barret's people drawn over here.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Heavy dark clothing, questionable hygiene.

    In the Med where people wore light colored and lighter cloth there were less body lice being carried around. The Medieval English didn’t appear to wash in the lower classes. More body lice so more plague. The plague was comparatively lighter in Florence. As you went north the proportion of deaths increased until you got to the lowlands in Scotland.

    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.

    Replies: @S

  772. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Wokechoke


    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still.
     
    We were talking about the period of the Black Death and the Hundred Year's War, not Napoleon. Although your point is correct insofar as I believe for Hundred Year's War France had about 10 million while England had only 1-2 million.

    Since you mentioned the Napoleonic era, perhaps my impression is wrong, but England/Britain's innovation in the Agricultural Revolution led to greater food production which meant the British isles managed to reach parity with France in terms of population post-1815 despite smaller territorial possession.


    The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

     

    I'm curious regarding your sources, or at least a coherent explanation of the reasons why you believe England was uniquely hard hit (we're ignoring China since you chose to focus only on Europe, of course).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Wokechoke

    Do you think you could change your username? I’d rather not have Kevin Barret’s people drawn over here.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    Do you think you could change your username?
     
    Agree. Besides, covid psyop is now over, Putin cured the whole world of “covid”. Today we are in the middle of the next psyop.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  773. @Mikel
    @AP


    Matra and Mikel are, sorry, kind of historical losers.
     
    If it was my countrymen who had been unable to get prosperity and good governance after a quarter century of independence and their youth was now being slaughtered by the tens of thousands while millions flee the country of their ancestors as refugees after millions more had left it earlier as economic migrants, I wouldn't start a conversation about loser and winner nationalities.

    Mikel is a Basque, whose people will probably never have their own country.
     
    My people already have their own country. That's what even our big neighbors settled on calling it: País Vasco - Pays Basque (Basque Country). I don't know much about Greenland but the part of the Basque Country where I was born has the highest level of autonomy I know of in Europe. Other than an army, border control and international recognition as a sovereign state, my people have their own institutions to manage everything that matters for their everyday life: police, justice system, education, tax collection,... A good part of this level of self-government was achieved through political negotiations but, to be perfectly honest, it wouldn't have been possible without plenty of my countrymen killing and dying for their fatherland, if that's what turns you on.

    In fact, you're barking up the wrong tree here. Other that the Northern Irish, nobody in Western Europe has done more patriotic killing than my people in the past half of a century. Definitely not the Balts or the Poles either. The Lithuanians did put some corpses on the table but not nearly as many as we did.

    In any case, we've discussed this ad nauseam before. How much they're willing to sacrifice for state structures as opposed to actual self-governance is their decision to make. At least they haven't been pawns of foreign powers living under the rule of corrupt mafiosi.

    I hope his children at least speak their ancestral language, I suspect they do not.
     
    I don't know what that has to do with anything but you're wrong. My daughter speaks perfect Basque, more fluent than me these days, because I taught her. Her mother only speaks Spanish so I followed the old tradition of taking the responsibility of passing on the language to her. My American son doesn't speak Basque but is learning Spanish, which is much more useful in the US and may even become necessary, the way things are going. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learned a lot of Ukrainian history on this blog thanks to your efforts. Khmelnitsky, Bandera and Skropadsky have become household names for all the regulars here but, to be honest, I don't want my son to be like you in the future. I want him to be a fully assimilated citizen, living in the here and now.

    this whining when Zelensky asks for help for the existential struggle is ridiculous.
     
    Asking what's in it for us in a war that could lead us to indeed an existential threat for all civilization and in all the meddling that preceded it may be off limits in most MSM (look what happened to Tucker) but you're not going to stamp out that conversation from this blog, no matter how hard you try. I don't think I've ever wasted much time complaining about the billions of our tax dollars that are being sent to Ukraine (as our leaders discuss if we have enough money to keep our government running or not). That's not the big problem. The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia's goal is to invade us as well. And our leaders, instead of calling out these lies, keep giving the proverbial grenades to the monkey in the cage.

    Btw, my disgust at Zelensky and his entourage doesn't mean that I'm unable to recognize his personal courage and his skills as a military leader, in spite of his clownish origins. The problem with Hitler, Stalin or Fidel Castro wasn't the lack of courage and leadership skills.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @John Johnson

    The big problem is that Zelensky has repeatedly lied to try to turn this war into WW3, under the bigger lie that Russia’s goal is to invade us as well.

    Invade who? Western Europe?

    I’m throwing down the bullshit card on that statement.

    Zelensky has talked about how Russia planned on invading additional non-NATO countries but he was obviously talking about Eastern Europe. It was in fact leaked that they planned on taking Moldova after Ukraine.

    Go ahead and quote him if you think I am wrong.

  774. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    You didn't respond to Gerard's valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You didn’t respond to Gerard’s valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    What point would that be? You are suggesting that the Battle of Kiev was all a ruse because wars are expensive? The leaked plans are all just a conspiracy to make it look like Putin planned on taking all of it?

    Putin ordered a 40 mile convoy at Kiev as a ruse? Is that what you are suggesting? Tanks were sent into Kiev just for show?

    Putin’s plans show that he thought Kiev could be captured in 13 hours:
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-leaked-invasion-plan-shows-28766012

    The dwarf obviously wasn’t accounting correctly for military expenditures so there is no reason to assume that refugee expenditures are why this unsupported ruse theory has any credence.

    There is no evidence that Putin does anything based on economic utility. The war is currently a drain on the Russian economy and he has no intention of ending it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  775. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.
     
    I am not sure. You are not either, your bravado is based on not thinking it through.

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group...that group can't survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory...the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke...maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland...

    What are the odds that an order would be given and obeyed? What are the odds that Nato would then respond in kind? What are the odds that for strategic reasons the whole hell would break lose ('use them or lose them').

    The odds are non-zero, probably 2% now, but up to uncomfortable levels with a direct attack on Russia or loss of Crimea...then we are not safe in Europe or US. What would we die for? For the crazy dream of Nato bases in Ukraine and banning the Russian language...Do you think it is worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group…that group can’t survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory

    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.

    There is as much a chance of that happening as there is a chance of America sacrificing itself in a nuclear holocaust over a Russian takeover of Estonia.

    But Russia’s nuclear rhetoric is useful because it works in the dumber sorts of cowards. Or for appeasers who know, but who find the excuse a useful one.

    the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke…maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland…

    This is probably what you eagerly want, but such a response (tactical nuke against a Ukrainian city or more likely Ukrainian forces in the field*) would not lead not to a nuclear counter strike and nuclear escalation. The West would allow Russia to keep the distinction of being the only country to use nukes in the 21st century and the only country to use nukes to kill Europeans. The West would instead implement some devastating conventional response such as the sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of much of Russia’s army by conventional forces. The response would be more devastating on a practical level then Russia’s nuke strike. For this reason, a Russian tactical strike in response to something like Ukrainian forces entering and taking northern Crimea or devastating Belgorod would be very unlikely. Not 0% chance as would be the chances of nuking America, but .01% or whatever chance.

    And then we are back to square one: is Russia going to sacrifice 120 million of its own people by launching nukes against the West in response to losing the Black Sea fleet? Of course not.

    * I doubt Russia would hit a base in Poland or a city in western Ukraine where fallout would hit Poland or miscalculation might result in Polish territory getting hit. A tactical nuke would likely hit an eastern Ukrainian city such as Zaporizhia or Kharkiv (most of Russia’s efforts so far have involved killing eastern Ukrainians, it’s a clear pattern) or would be used on the battlefield. But as I said, the chances of this being attempted in response to something like taking northern Crimea or Belgorod are probably .01% or so.

    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    The superpower nuclear rhetoric is a two-way street. The USA has kept people agitated for years by discussing things like B61 bombs, the improved fuse, resumption of nuclear testing, prompt global strike, etc. People who fall for the 'Putin is threatening to use nukes' claim without recognizing the full context and his actual meaning are simply misinformed. Don't forget the USA is building the new B-21 bomber, Sentinel ICBM, Columbia submarine and everything else. China is another story which probably drives most of the USA nuclear palpitations, at least until Russia stood its ground in Ukraine.

    I'm not too worried about a full nuclear exchange. Also, Russia is extremely unlikely to use nukes in Ukraine (no good targets except Lvov). I could imagine them nuking a NATO submarine which Turkey happened to allow to sneak into the Black Sea, but I doubt this would escalate. They don't need a nuke for such a mission, so using one would be a statement. I can easily imagine a Ukrainian nuke or USA false flag just to make the mess even bigger, but I agree this might not escalate.

    A bigger risk of escalation could be the result of a military person on either side, someone with a Hack or AP level crazed mentality deciding to nuke something. This wouldn't be in Ukraine, but is more likely a result of some trouble between Western and Russian submarines which are apparently almost at war even in the best of times. This sort of thing could escalate to destruction of an aircraft carrier, more submarines, sinking of tankers etc. Even without any cities destroyed this could lead to maritime shipping chaos which could cause starvation of a vast number of people among other terrible results.

    In the modern world, nuclear fallout from a war is not the biggest threat to life, that is likely to be destruction of global food supply chains as a result of WW3 with or without nukes.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.
     
    Does this mean that Russia's leadership, even post-Putin, should vehemently oppose joining the West (EU and/or NATO) for fear that this would cause China to attack the Russian Far East?
  776. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Yahya


    The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.
     
    Don't you see a basic logical problem here though?

    There was no "Islamic portion of the Mediterranean" before Islamic conquest, meaning that there were no Muslim links pre-existing ~650 AD at all to begin with that could ever even be "broken".

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate.

     

    I should've clarified that I wasn't referring strictly and only to trade and commercial transactions, but even things like immigration, settlement, intermarriage, and elite interaction at the level of royal courts. Those are two very different things. Commercial transactions, especially in civilian trade, don't show the true state of relations between different communities. Perhaps sales/transfer of arms, weapons, and military equipment does though.

    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries.

     

    Of course, but the way in which there are new apologist perspectives of how those were tolerant, enlightened, or even "Golden Age" conquests are just grotesque. For instance, notion that the Islamic Caliphate itself underwent a "Golden Age" is just nonsense as the Library of Alexandria was actually destroyed by the Muslims as a customary part of practicing Jihad. Unbelievable people get payed to push those narratives. No amount of obfuscation can cover up the sheer extent of Jihad and religious-tribal warfare involved in all of those cases.

    I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:

     

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream. Interestingly his logic for preference of Islam over Christianity because "Christianity is weak while Islam is a strong warrior Jihad religion" or something along those lines, was also shared by the Nazis. Along with a preference and serious appreciation for paganism.

    Otherwise, I should clarify that I'm not being "Islamophobic" or whatever other nonsense terms there are about that, but that I'm just stating it as I actually perceive it to have been. Since obviously many here are on various sides of many different fault lines of Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations", that may mean everyone just easily gets upset (Huntington's work was hated by Western liberals and Muslims since he shattered their bubbles and said things like "Islam has bloody borders", Muslim youth bulge is a serious demographic problem of creating masses of Muslim jihadists, and so on) and nobody is capable of bridging the inherently irreconcilable differences of their perspectives. Still, Huntington's work is the most relevant, insightful and valuable in its field since 1992 (when it was an original essay response to Fukuyama) while Fukuyama's "End of History" will hopefully live forever in infamy. It feels like the world would be a better place if everyone honestly acknowledged Huntington's fault lines and then worked on if not bridging differences, then at least reducing friction as much as possible. It honestly feels to me several problems of the present are caused by ruling elites (particularly in the USA) that embrace the worldview of Francis Fukuyama instead of Samuel Huntington.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream.

    He was a philosopher. According to google trends ~ half X Plato. Definitely fringe human but half of a Plato is a mainstream philosopher. That the people who read him and study him are in the weirdo humanities departments is a cultural anomaly.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream.
     
    He was a philosopher. According to google trends ~ half X Plato. Definitely fringe human but half of a Plato is a mainstream philosopher. That the people who read him and study him are in the weirdo humanities departments is a cultural anomaly.

    People in the humanities do not study Nietzche.

    He was anti-egalitarian and pro-individual.

    Humanities are liberal bastions and Nietzche is a dark philosopher to them.

    Sometimes they will use him to criticize Christianity but they keep his philosophy of weak/strong morality a secret. They don't want White freshmen getting any ideas.

  777. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnE9aW7_okc

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    The US government buys whatever is available. Better goods weren’t on offer. This just illustrates the situation in the RF. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo.

    Naturally, sluts are cheap: normal prostitutes demand money. Some cheap sluts pretend that they can sing. That’s all there is to it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    This reminds me of the video clip where the interviewer tries to bait Putin into saying the words "Pussy Riot". Of course Putin doesn't do it since he knows they will use the quote out of context to make him look bad. The exchange is like an adult dealing with a child, just like his interactions with Megyn what's her name.

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn't try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western 'statesmen'.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

  778. @Yevardian
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Do you think you could change your username? I'd rather not have Kevin Barret's people drawn over here.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Do you think you could change your username?

    Agree. Besides, covid psyop is now over, Putin cured the whole world of “covid”. Today we are in the middle of the next psyop.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you line up and take the stupid vaccine like a good servant?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  779. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream.
     
    He was a philosopher. According to google trends ~ half X Plato. Definitely fringe human but half of a Plato is a mainstream philosopher. That the people who read him and study him are in the weirdo humanities departments is a cultural anomaly.

    https://i.redd.it/y8c6ukoids1b1.png

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream.

    He was a philosopher. According to google trends ~ half X Plato. Definitely fringe human but half of a Plato is a mainstream philosopher. That the people who read him and study him are in the weirdo humanities departments is a cultural anomaly.

    People in the humanities do not study Nietzche.

    He was anti-egalitarian and pro-individual.

    Humanities are liberal bastions and Nietzche is a dark philosopher to them.

    Sometimes they will use him to criticize Christianity but they keep his philosophy of weak/strong morality a secret. They don’t want White freshmen getting any ideas.

  780. @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    Do you think you could change your username?
     
    Agree. Besides, covid psyop is now over, Putin cured the whole world of “covid”. Today we are in the middle of the next psyop.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you line up and take the stupid vaccine like a good servant?

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Did you line up and take the stupid vaccine like a good servant?
     
    My scientific opinion is that this “vaccine” is 100% fraud and “covid” was 70% psyop and 30% unsuccessful test of the US bioweapon. However, my university, along with the rest of libtard useful idiots, gave me a “democratic” choice: get the “vaccine” or lose your job. I got the “vaccine” a few months later than they wanted me to (I tried a few tricks to avoid it with no success), but I did get it. By the time university was likely to make “booster” shots mandatory this psyop ended, the cabal switched to the next one, so I was spared that.

    I did it because I had real covid (or something covid-like) in 2021 and it was milder than flu (BTW, flu “vaccines” are just as fraudulent as covid “vaccine”). So, I figured that their concoction is unlikely to damage my health too much. Due to my background in biochemistry and cell biology I know that such a thing as stable mRNA does not exist (you can make it stable by chemical modifications, but it stops being an mRNA: ribosomes won’t use it to make protein). I figured that the other things they’ve added to their horse-piss are unlikely to be too harmful. They weren’t: I didn’t even have a fever after their “vaccine”. On the plus side, I now have the printout of the QR code to prove that I am “vaccinated”. I had to use it once in Kenya early this year: Kenyan authorities are a bit behind the curve and wanted it on entry. I travel a lot, so I keep the printout just in case some other country is not yet aware that “covid” psyop is now passé, replaced with “Ukraine”.

    Does this answer your question?

  781. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Did you line up and take the stupid vaccine like a good servant?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Did you line up and take the stupid vaccine like a good servant?

    My scientific opinion is that this “vaccine” is 100% fraud and “covid” was 70% psyop and 30% unsuccessful test of the US bioweapon. However, my university, along with the rest of libtard useful idiots, gave me a “democratic” choice: get the “vaccine” or lose your job. I got the “vaccine” a few months later than they wanted me to (I tried a few tricks to avoid it with no success), but I did get it. By the time university was likely to make “booster” shots mandatory this psyop ended, the cabal switched to the next one, so I was spared that.

    I did it because I had real covid (or something covid-like) in 2021 and it was milder than flu (BTW, flu “vaccines” are just as fraudulent as covid “vaccine”). So, I figured that their concoction is unlikely to damage my health too much. Due to my background in biochemistry and cell biology I know that such a thing as stable mRNA does not exist (you can make it stable by chemical modifications, but it stops being an mRNA: ribosomes won’t use it to make protein). I figured that the other things they’ve added to their horse-piss are unlikely to be too harmful. They weren’t: I didn’t even have a fever after their “vaccine”. On the plus side, I now have the printout of the QR code to prove that I am “vaccinated”. I had to use it once in Kenya early this year: Kenyan authorities are a bit behind the curve and wanted it on entry. I travel a lot, so I keep the printout just in case some other country is not yet aware that “covid” psyop is now passé, replaced with “Ukraine”.

    Does this answer your question?

    • Thanks: Emil Nikola Richard, QCIC
  782. @A123
    @QCIC


    I think the Russian military views the USA as extremely dangerous. I don’t believe they will make concessions with respect to post-SMO Ukraine without major positive trades from the West regarding nuclear security.
     
    I concur that Russia concerns need to be accommodated.

    However, INF and ABM are not coming back. Does everything has to stay on hold until there is a huge multiparty deal that includes many European nations? And, the U.S. will not sign anything that allows China to make strategic gains. So, odds are this would be a global treaty not a regional one.

    Some other method must be found. It is a tricky proposition.

    France and Germany are rapidly sliding towards oblivion. Moving the U.S. center of action to the Visegrád 4 is necessary as these are the most reliable allies in the region. The goal is not encroaching on Russia. It is about protecting the Western border of Poland when the EU self destructs. But, from a Russian perspective, the appearance of that necessary shift does not look favourable.

    The NeoNazi idea is about optics at home in Russia. Publicly dealing with these people is easy for all sides and gives the War some hint of universal meaning. I’m not saying this is accurate or that I agree with it or whatever, it just seems like “low hanging fruit” for negotiators.
     
    If it could be packaged as Ukraine cleaning up its own house (with external support), perhaps that could sell. International tribunals are perceived as winners punishing losers, so that structure will not fly in a negotiated deal.

    Erdogan stays in NATO forever. It is part of his strategic ambiguity with no downside. From what I recall, Russia didn’t seriously take him to the woodshed over the shoot downs of Russian aircraft in Syria.
     
    Türkiye will continue in NATO. The question is, "How long will NATO continue?"

    Any deal on Syria will have to exclude a Turkish presence in Syria. Iran and its proxies will also have to be totally excluded. A verifiable Iranian exit would allow U.S. forces to depart. However, both Turkey & America will come back if Iran and its proxies reappear. Iranian zealotry turned Lebanon into a failed state. Khamenei cannot be allowed to inflict the same pain on Syria.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Matra

    Türkiye will continue in NATO

    I’ve never used the Ignore Commenter feature but after this outrage I’m considering it.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Matra

    The Ignore Commenter feature is needless for skilled skimmers. Skimming is an essential skill in 2023 and improves with practice. : )

    The Kennedy Fauci book is a challenge. 6 pt type single space lines one quarter inch margins and 3 pt type on the thousands footnotes. I have only got the through the first 200 pages so far but it is a great skimming exercise even if you deplore the man's politics.

  783. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    You didn’t respond to Gerard’s valid point, that Russia has to pay the bills. This suggests the SMO may continue very slowly as Russia absorbs the costs.

    What point would that be? You are suggesting that the Battle of Kiev was all a ruse because wars are expensive? The leaked plans are all just a conspiracy to make it look like Putin planned on taking all of it?

    Putin ordered a 40 mile convoy at Kiev as a ruse? Is that what you are suggesting? Tanks were sent into Kiev just for show?

    Putin's plans show that he thought Kiev could be captured in 13 hours:
    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-leaked-invasion-plan-shows-28766012

    The dwarf obviously wasn't accounting correctly for military expenditures so there is no reason to assume that refugee expenditures are why this unsupported ruse theory has any credence.

    There is no evidence that Putin does anything based on economic utility. The war is currently a drain on the Russian economy and he has no intention of ending it.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    No they are clearly not trying to minimize civilian casualties when they were attacking Kiev with missiles from day one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ekA9skT7QQ

    Does that look like a military target?

    The US patriot system has been taking down missiles aimed civilian areas. Putin in fact sent his rocket designers to prison:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Do you take pride in walling yourself off from reality?

    Putin is using the same stupid playbook as Hitler. Attack civilian areas with minimal results while cementing yourself to the world as the aggressor. Totally stupid military strategy that failed in both WW1 and WW2. Hitler even knew about the failed Zeppelin attacks on London and still thought it was a good idea to try and terrorize the population.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    You are speaking of Russia as if everything is going to plan.

    Putin planned on taking Kiev in 13 hours. Of course he expected the war to be net beneficial to Russia.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    What exactly are you saying? They only pretended to invade Kiev and now plan to do it later?

    That belief not only contradicts everything that happened on the ground but also requires believing that 3 separate leaked plans to take the entire country are fake. Is that what you believe? Leaked plans are fake and POWs that describe being sent to take positions in Kiev are lying? Chechens are lying about being given orders to find and kill Zelensky?

    Doofus Lukashenko in fact leaked Russia's plans on live TV which included invading Moldova:
    https://nypost.com/2022/03/01/belarus-dictator-alexander-lukashenko-appeared-to-show-russian-plans-to-invade-moldova-through-ukraine/

    When this war is over there will be books by Russians on how they failed to take Kiev. They will be constant reminders of a time when you tried to live in some ridiculous false reality where a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks wasn't actually a real invasion. The simple reality that you and other Putin bootlickers are unable to face is that the Russians got their asses kicked in Kiev. Yes it really is that simple and there is no reason to assume that Putin can still take his consolation prize of Donbas. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It's too early to tell.

    Replies: @QCIC

  784. @Matra
    @A123


    Türkiye will continue in NATO
     
    I've never used the Ignore Commenter feature but after this outrage I'm considering it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Ignore Commenter feature is needless for skilled skimmers. Skimming is an essential skill in 2023 and improves with practice. : )

    The Kennedy Fauci book is a challenge. 6 pt type single space lines one quarter inch margins and 3 pt type on the thousands footnotes. I have only got the through the first 200 pages so far but it is a great skimming exercise even if you deplore the man’s politics.

  785. QCIC says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail

    The US government buys whatever is available. Better goods weren’t on offer. This just illustrates the situation in the RF. Hence gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo.

    Naturally, sluts are cheap: normal prostitutes demand money. Some cheap sluts pretend that they can sing. That’s all there is to it.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This reminds me of the video clip where the interviewer tries to bait Putin into saying the words “Pussy Riot”. Of course Putin doesn’t do it since he knows they will use the quote out of context to make him look bad. The exchange is like an adult dealing with a child, just like his interactions with Megyn what’s her name.

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn’t try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn’t try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.

    Putin hasn't done a real interview in years. All his interviews are scripted or with safe journalists under the watch of the FSB.

    Putin is scared of female journalists and punk rockers. He has them locked away like terrifying monsters of the night.

    Your 5'3 alpha male is scared of women.

    That is the bunker dwarf for you. He is terrified of a woman asking him basic questions about the war.

    Bunker dwarf will go to his grave being afraid of women. Pathetic.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.
     
    Western “statesmen” are a winning background: a well-trained dog would look smarter and more dignified than them. One “leader” at least has an excuse of advanced Alzheimer’s, but others are just pieces of shit w/o valid excuses.

    Putin also has another advantage: because the reality is “politically incorrect”, he does not need to lie as much as clowns pushing the imperial narrative.

    IMO, he is a man with at least normal human intelligence and sane views, most of which are likely sincere: people sincerely espousing current libtard views would be locked up in lunatic asylums in the RF. He learned on the job to dress right and behave with dignity. At the beginning of his presidency he did not look and sound nearly as good. The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Also, Putin always successfully fools Western “leaders” by telling the truth. Westerners automatically assume that everything any politician says is a lie, so telling the truth is the best way to deceive them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  786. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    No they are clearly not trying to minimize civilian casualties when they were attacking Kiev with missiles from day one:

    Does that look like a military target?

    The US patriot system has been taking down missiles aimed civilian areas. Putin in fact sent his rocket designers to prison:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Do you take pride in walling yourself off from reality?

    Putin is using the same stupid playbook as Hitler. Attack civilian areas with minimal results while cementing yourself to the world as the aggressor. Totally stupid military strategy that failed in both WW1 and WW2. Hitler even knew about the failed Zeppelin attacks on London and still thought it was a good idea to try and terrorize the population.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    You are speaking of Russia as if everything is going to plan.

    Putin planned on taking Kiev in 13 hours. Of course he expected the war to be net beneficial to Russia.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    What exactly are you saying? They only pretended to invade Kiev and now plan to do it later?

    That belief not only contradicts everything that happened on the ground but also requires believing that 3 separate leaked plans to take the entire country are fake. Is that what you believe? Leaked plans are fake and POWs that describe being sent to take positions in Kiev are lying? Chechens are lying about being given orders to find and kill Zelensky?

    Doofus Lukashenko in fact leaked Russia’s plans on live TV which included invading Moldova:
    https://nypost.com/2022/03/01/belarus-dictator-alexander-lukashenko-appeared-to-show-russian-plans-to-invade-moldova-through-ukraine/

    When this war is over there will be books by Russians on how they failed to take Kiev. They will be constant reminders of a time when you tried to live in some ridiculous false reality where a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks wasn’t actually a real invasion. The simple reality that you and other Putin bootlickers are unable to face is that the Russians got their asses kicked in Kiev. Yes it really is that simple and there is no reason to assume that Putin can still take his consolation prize of Donbas. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. It’s too early to tell.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    LOL.

    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia. Everything else is roughly predictable.

    I misspoke in an earlier response. I think the video clip shows a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile hitting an apartment building (I typed Buk missile previously). I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields. Sadly there have been many other Russian attacks which have serious civilian casualties, but I think this example makes a different point.

    War is hell and best avoided.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

  787. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    This reminds me of the video clip where the interviewer tries to bait Putin into saying the words "Pussy Riot". Of course Putin doesn't do it since he knows they will use the quote out of context to make him look bad. The exchange is like an adult dealing with a child, just like his interactions with Megyn what's her name.

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn't try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western 'statesmen'.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn’t try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.

    Putin hasn’t done a real interview in years. All his interviews are scripted or with safe journalists under the watch of the FSB.

    Putin is scared of female journalists and punk rockers. He has them locked away like terrifying monsters of the night.

    Your 5’3 alpha male is scared of women.

    That is the bunker dwarf for you. He is terrified of a woman asking him basic questions about the war.

    Bunker dwarf will go to his grave being afraid of women. Pathetic.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    You may want to try : 1-800-Dwarves-Scare-Me, maybe they can help you out.

    I guess this is a variant of the clown phobia.

  788. @AP
    @Dmitry


    The “decaying West” , with the famous historical losers called “anglos”, who will be buried by the Warsaw Pact
     
    At the moment they are burying themselves (hopefully they will wake up some day, as the Italians seem to be doing). But at least most of them support Ukrainians who are not burying themselves. That is better than nothing. There is something particularly offensive about the exceptions who do not.

    We would need to explain to them why 60 years later, Yahya’s parents buy a house in London and you live in New England
     
    I was never specific about where I live, only said in the Northeast. Could be New England, or Westchester, or Catskills, or out on Long Island.

    You know, Rishi Sunak will not stop giving the cruise missiles to Kiev and Sadiq Khan only loves Ukraine more than himself.

     

    I am grateful to them, who follow the British aristocrat Boris Johnson who was very strongly pro-Ukraine. Unlike the pathetic British leftist Jeremy Corbyn.

    Btw this captures the Northeast that I mentioned (New England but is also true of Westchester etc.):



    https://twitter.com/dagosupremacy/status/1657689484853428224?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Dmitry

    they are burying themselves

    Western Europe is a dream zone for most people in Eastern and Central Europe. So, there is a quite a lot of the disconnection between real life and these Soviet claims.

    And parts of Central Europe which improve, of course, in significant ways because they are nowadays partly funded by Western Europe, partly also managed by Western Europe.

    was very strongly pro-Ukraine. Unlike the pathetic British leftist

    Even British leftists were even more supporting open borders for Ukrainian refugees than rightists, who were already supporting them.
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukrainian-refugees-terror-attack-suella-braverman-b2038899.html

    Btw this captures the Northeast that I mentioned (New England but is also true of Westchester etc.):

    There with the highest voting proportions for Obama.

    All these places like Harvard, Yale, Princeton are copy-paste of the English social model. Large part of the modern world is copy-paste from them, the idea the main programming culture of recent history are historical losers, is going to be pretty implausible. Probably also, when those “losers” sit in the attractive wooden house eating kale and not talk about their trust fund.

  789. What is the significance of the Jewish name Tuarog?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Taurog

    Could it somehow be connected to the Tuareg? Or is it derived from a Polish word?

  790. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Btw there was an interesting article about Egypt.
     
    Yes I touched upon these points in my long post a few threads back.

    For example, Egypt is creating the population of Estonia, every 240 days.
     
    It gets even worse.

    Total number of babies born annually in Egypt: 1.89 million

    Total number of babies born annually in the EU: 4.09 million

    Total number of babies born annually in Nigeria: 7 million

    ———

    Fare ye well, Europa.

    https://youtu.be/ht-GwA7UV20

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Btw return to topic of Egypt.

    Arab culture is stereo-typically mix of aristocrat/feudal and redneck, anti-intellectual.

    The elite model, is sitting in palace eating dates, occasionally going outside the palace to sacrifice a camel or kill someone who insulted your honor by looking at your sister.

    So, this model for development, waiting for your magic carpets to solve the traffic in Cairo, or “genetic engineering” to create a hi-tech industry, is a kind of matching too conveniently the romantic stereotypes.

    However, how will you explain India. Indians are one of the most nerdy cultures in history. Today, Indian employees are rapidly “plug and play” in the most advanced “fourth industrial revolution” sectors. While, Indian cities are often more of a chaos than anywhere in Africa, including not only Cairo, also Nigeria etc.

    The “plug and play” aspect of the Indian employees is especially funny, because they “plug and play” directly from the third world not to lower class of the first world, but it’s future industries. They are “plug and play” from chaos of Mumbai slums, to Harvard or Menlo Park.

    There is the explanation for such complex systems like national development can only have some small understanding with the thousand variables of the historian, not some theories about the kind of puzzle test results to explain the development of the countries.

    When I young in the classroom, I never expected I would need to explain our scores in the school test, was not relevant explaining the forces of history which somehow created the childhood in the trash can of history. Especially as the Soviet Union had went to the trashcan with some of the best teaching in the world for technical areas.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    Today, Indian employees are rapidly “plug and play” in the most advanced “fourth industrial revolution” sectors.
     
    Have you ever looked at their code?

    They ain't gonna be plug and playing into Chinese Tech any time soon.
    , @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    However, how will you explain India.
     
    I've written a post before India. The problem in its essence: India is a bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1, and that is why it is a sh*thole, albeit one that can produce some modicum of elite science and technology. There is room for improvement in India if some institutional and cultural changes are effected, but India's developmental level is capped in relation to China, because there are too many Sher Singhs for the Tatas to carry on their shoulders.

    As for your dismissal of IQ tests as mere puzzles, well I will just leave you some links demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

    But my guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor will change your mind, since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

  791. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @Beckow


    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group…that group can’t survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory
     
    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.

    There is as much a chance of that happening as there is a chance of America sacrificing itself in a nuclear holocaust over a Russian takeover of Estonia.

    But Russia’s nuclear rhetoric is useful because it works in the dumber sorts of cowards. Or for appeasers who know, but who find the excuse a useful one.

    the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke…maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland…
     
    This is probably what you eagerly want, but such a response (tactical nuke against a Ukrainian city or more likely Ukrainian forces in the field*) would not lead not to a nuclear counter strike and nuclear escalation. The West would allow Russia to keep the distinction of being the only country to use nukes in the 21st century and the only country to use nukes to kill Europeans. The West would instead implement some devastating conventional response such as the sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of much of Russia’s army by conventional forces. The response would be more devastating on a practical level then Russia’s nuke strike. For this reason, a Russian tactical strike in response to something like Ukrainian forces entering and taking northern Crimea or devastating Belgorod would be very unlikely. Not 0% chance as would be the chances of nuking America, but .01% or whatever chance.

    And then we are back to square one: is Russia going to sacrifice 120 million of its own people by launching nukes against the West in response to losing the Black Sea fleet? Of course not.

    * I doubt Russia would hit a base in Poland or a city in western Ukraine where fallout would hit Poland or miscalculation might result in Polish territory getting hit. A tactical nuke would likely hit an eastern Ukrainian city such as Zaporizhia or Kharkiv (most of Russia’s efforts so far have involved killing eastern Ukrainians, it’s a clear pattern) or would be used on the battlefield. But as I said, the chances of this being attempted in response to something like taking northern Crimea or Belgorod are probably .01% or so.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    The superpower nuclear rhetoric is a two-way street. The USA has kept people agitated for years by discussing things like B61 bombs, the improved fuse, resumption of nuclear testing, prompt global strike, etc. People who fall for the ‘Putin is threatening to use nukes’ claim without recognizing the full context and his actual meaning are simply misinformed. Don’t forget the USA is building the new B-21 bomber, Sentinel ICBM, Columbia submarine and everything else. China is another story which probably drives most of the USA nuclear palpitations, at least until Russia stood its ground in Ukraine.

    I’m not too worried about a full nuclear exchange. Also, Russia is extremely unlikely to use nukes in Ukraine (no good targets except Lvov). I could imagine them nuking a NATO submarine which Turkey happened to allow to sneak into the Black Sea, but I doubt this would escalate. They don’t need a nuke for such a mission, so using one would be a statement. I can easily imagine a Ukrainian nuke or USA false flag just to make the mess even bigger, but I agree this might not escalate.

    A bigger risk of escalation could be the result of a military person on either side, someone with a Hack or AP level crazed mentality deciding to nuke something. This wouldn’t be in Ukraine, but is more likely a result of some trouble between Western and Russian submarines which are apparently almost at war even in the best of times. This sort of thing could escalate to destruction of an aircraft carrier, more submarines, sinking of tankers etc. Even without any cities destroyed this could lead to maritime shipping chaos which could cause starvation of a vast number of people among other terrible results.

    In the modern world, nuclear fallout from a war is not the biggest threat to life, that is likely to be destruction of global food supply chains as a result of WW3 with or without nukes.

  792. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn’t try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.

    Putin hasn't done a real interview in years. All his interviews are scripted or with safe journalists under the watch of the FSB.

    Putin is scared of female journalists and punk rockers. He has them locked away like terrifying monsters of the night.

    Your 5'3 alpha male is scared of women.

    That is the bunker dwarf for you. He is terrified of a woman asking him basic questions about the war.

    Bunker dwarf will go to his grave being afraid of women. Pathetic.

    Replies: @QCIC

    You may want to try : 1-800-Dwarves-Scare-Me, maybe they can help you out.

    I guess this is a variant of the clown phobia.

  793. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Minimizing civilian casualties and collateral damage are important for Russia in moral terms, but may have a post-SMO financial aspect as well.

    No they are clearly not trying to minimize civilian casualties when they were attacking Kiev with missiles from day one:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ekA9skT7QQ

    Does that look like a military target?

    The US patriot system has been taking down missiles aimed civilian areas. Putin in fact sent his rocket designers to prison:
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Do you take pride in walling yourself off from reality?

    Putin is using the same stupid playbook as Hitler. Attack civilian areas with minimal results while cementing yourself to the world as the aggressor. Totally stupid military strategy that failed in both WW1 and WW2. Hitler even knew about the failed Zeppelin attacks on London and still thought it was a good idea to try and terrorize the population.

    The point is that Russia expects to pay to correct the destruction and problems created in Ukrainian territory they have captured or repatriated (since no one else will pay for it). They have finite financial resources to cover these costs and this limitation may be pacing their approach to the combat.

    You are speaking of Russia as if everything is going to plan.

    Putin planned on taking Kiev in 13 hours. Of course he expected the war to be net beneficial to Russia.

    These costs are one of many reasons to pace themselves with combat in the city of Kiev. If they crush the city militarily the costs to triage and repair it will be enormous. So it is better to fight in other places first to gradually shift the Ukrainian narrative.

    What exactly are you saying? They only pretended to invade Kiev and now plan to do it later?

    That belief not only contradicts everything that happened on the ground but also requires believing that 3 separate leaked plans to take the entire country are fake. Is that what you believe? Leaked plans are fake and POWs that describe being sent to take positions in Kiev are lying? Chechens are lying about being given orders to find and kill Zelensky?

    Doofus Lukashenko in fact leaked Russia's plans on live TV which included invading Moldova:
    https://nypost.com/2022/03/01/belarus-dictator-alexander-lukashenko-appeared-to-show-russian-plans-to-invade-moldova-through-ukraine/

    When this war is over there will be books by Russians on how they failed to take Kiev. They will be constant reminders of a time when you tried to live in some ridiculous false reality where a 40 mile column of armor and supply trucks wasn't actually a real invasion. The simple reality that you and other Putin bootlickers are unable to face is that the Russians got their asses kicked in Kiev. Yes it really is that simple and there is no reason to assume that Putin can still take his consolation prize of Donbas. Maybe he will, maybe he won't. It's too early to tell.

    Replies: @QCIC

    LOL.

    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia. Everything else is roughly predictable.

    I misspoke in an earlier response. I think the video clip shows a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile hitting an apartment building (I typed Buk missile previously). I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields. Sadly there have been many other Russian attacks which have serious civilian casualties, but I think this example makes a different point.

    War is hell and best avoided.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @QCIC


    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!
     
    Don't fall so easily for falsehoods. Look at his own link. It just shows an arrow to Transnistria, which Russia is already occupying. There were no designs beyond Ukraine. Maybe just Belarus itself, in due time.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia.

    They are fighting for the existence of Ukraine.

    Ukraine is a country that Russia swore to recognize in 1994. Putin in 2008 stated that they have no border contentions with them.

    Here is bunker dwarf in 2008 talking about how Crimea belongs to Ukraine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VOJ7mEviQY

    I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields.

    That doesn't make any sense. You are saying the apartment building contained military targets?

    Stop making stuff up.

    When Putin launches Iranian drones at Kiev is he aiming for military targets?

    Apartment building in Kiev hit by Russian drone
    https://www.businessinsider.com/kyiv-drone-strikes-before-and-after-photos-show-kamikaze-impact-2022-10

    Maybe you don't read the news. Putin targets civilian areas on a weekly basis at minimum:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/16/air-raid-alerts-sound-across-ukraine-kyiv-repels-missile-attack

    Kiev is not a military target. The front line is over 100 miles away.

    Replies: @QCIC

  794. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Btw return to topic of Egypt.

    Arab culture is stereo-typically mix of aristocrat/feudal and redneck, anti-intellectual.

    The elite model, is sitting in palace eating dates, occasionally going outside the palace to sacrifice a camel or kill someone who insulted your honor by looking at your sister.

    So, this model for development, waiting for your magic carpets to solve the traffic in Cairo, or "genetic engineering" to create a hi-tech industry, is a kind of matching too conveniently the romantic stereotypes.

    However, how will you explain India. Indians are one of the most nerdy cultures in history. Today, Indian employees are rapidly "plug and play" in the most advanced "fourth industrial revolution" sectors. While, Indian cities are often more of a chaos than anywhere in Africa, including not only Cairo, also Nigeria etc.

    The "plug and play" aspect of the Indian employees is especially funny, because they "plug and play" directly from the third world not to lower class of the first world, but it's future industries. They are "plug and play" from chaos of Mumbai slums, to Harvard or Menlo Park.

    There is the explanation for such complex systems like national development can only have some small understanding with the thousand variables of the historian, not some theories about the kind of puzzle test results to explain the development of the countries.

    -

    When I young in the classroom, I never expected I would need to explain our scores in the school test, was not relevant explaining the forces of history which somehow created the childhood in the trash can of history. Especially as the Soviet Union had went to the trashcan with some of the best teaching in the world for technical areas.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

    Today, Indian employees are rapidly “plug and play” in the most advanced “fourth industrial revolution” sectors.

    Have you ever looked at their code?

    They ain’t gonna be plug and playing into Chinese Tech any time soon.

  795. @AP
    @German_reader


    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine
     
    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia's elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone's family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn't going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won't use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)
     
    Didn't the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development
     
    Russia doesn't have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    "Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable."

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2
     
    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
     
    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms - that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @German_reader

    nuclear war with the West means that everyone’s family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won’t use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia. They won’t dare use their nukes and extinguish themselves. It would be silly. We can all sit down and relax watching the show from our coaches.

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific or Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.

    As a matter of fact, Putin had clearly explained his imperialistic designs on Ukraine in an article published the summer before the invasion. But why pay attention to what Putin says? He’s a liar and a deranged dictator so let’s ignore his threats. By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in so he wouldn’t hesitate to destroy it if someone attacked Russia it was all empty threats. Purely imaginary red lines in our minds. Let’s cross them and build a better world. We’re perfectly safe in Germany or the US.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.
     
    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

     

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn't want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.
     
    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one's own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in
     
    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be "safe", you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a "world without Russia."

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel


    It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    If one wants to be fair, a smarter anti-Semitic leader would have probably aggressively encouraged intermarriage between Jews and gentiles rather than prohibiting it. This would have massively diluted the Jewish population in Germany over the centuries had this arrangement survived for that long. Maybe even prohibited Jew-Jew marriages while one is at it. Jews were only 1% of Germany's total population, so it would be easy for them to find gentile marriage partners.

    Mass intermarriage between Jews and gentiles for centuries would achieve an outcome similar to the Holocaust, but more eugenically for Germans and without mass murder. This is why some right-wing Israeli Jews refer to intermarriage as a second Holocaust, though in the US case, they're not fully accurate since a lot of descendants of intermarriage still retain ties to the Jewish community. In the German context, I was talking about a hypothetical smarter anti-Semitic German leader prohibiting Jew-Jew marriages and instead forcing all German Jews to either marry Germans or remain single.

  796. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    This reminds me of the video clip where the interviewer tries to bait Putin into saying the words "Pussy Riot". Of course Putin doesn't do it since he knows they will use the quote out of context to make him look bad. The exchange is like an adult dealing with a child, just like his interactions with Megyn what's her name.

    Then there is the clip where the Pussy Riot idiots are protesting at a church and Putin trolls that interviewer by saying the protesters are lucky they didn't try it in Israel.

    He may be an evil Noviop or whatever, but he can do well in interviews. This may not be consequential, but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western 'statesmen'.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.

    Western “statesmen” are a winning background: a well-trained dog would look smarter and more dignified than them. One “leader” at least has an excuse of advanced Alzheimer’s, but others are just pieces of shit w/o valid excuses.

    Putin also has another advantage: because the reality is “politically incorrect”, he does not need to lie as much as clowns pushing the imperial narrative.

    IMO, he is a man with at least normal human intelligence and sane views, most of which are likely sincere: people sincerely espousing current libtard views would be locked up in lunatic asylums in the RF. He learned on the job to dress right and behave with dignity. At the beginning of his presidency he did not look and sound nearly as good. The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Also, Putin always successfully fools Western “leaders” by telling the truth. Westerners automatically assume that everything any politician says is a lie, so telling the truth is the best way to deceive them.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Avoiding the internet shows a lack of interest in learning.

    Putin holes up in his $1.3 billion dollar dwarf castle and has his underlings report on the war. Does that sound like someone that values learning? He basically lives in the 80s.

    Putin refuses to use internet
    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-refuses-use-internet-because-hes-worried-about-spies-report-2022-12

    I can tell that he doesn't have any interest in reading about war strategy. He keeps making the same mistakes of WW1.

    Replies: @Sean

  797. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I’m not sure it’s so unpredictable, postsoviet countries are not developed countries with secured border fences.
     
    Well, previously there were very loose and relaxed borders (except for a few minor border treaty disputes and those cases were there was conflict, such as Azeri-Armenian, it's a large space so let's just stick with the European part for now). There was no real need for "secured border fences", that only appeared in 2014 and later during the artificially engineered refugee crisis on the Belarusian border with Lithuania & Poland. There was no need to be on alert (seemingly).

    Anyone can unofficially walk over most of the postsoviet borders in the night and they have been doing in the war not just since 2022, but since 2014.
     
    Yes, but they are not combatants from a country that you are at war with. Or as Russians call Ukraine now (and other European countries) вражеское государство - a hostile state (or country). :(

    This is what happens since 2014, quite few parts of the Russian army have been walking into Ukraine and fighting there.
     
    Well, that was exactly my point. That it can go both ways. That one thinks he can walk into another country in order to commit violent crime there or pretend like he owns something there and do this with impunity and without fear of slightest punishment... that is a phenomenon. Not a new one.

    Under normal natural circumstances, such things typically are not allowed to fester or even take place, if a country or a tribe has any self-respect. Once they have capacity to withstand such disrespect and transgressions, they will. So the Russian military can "walk into Ukraine" and murder Ukraine's sons, then the same can happen to Russia. I don't get why people find this shocking, when Dmytro Yarosh acknowledged this even before the war began (when he said "this will be a total war")! These psychological barriers will be overcome. Is it good? No, but it's the reality.


    regular fighting inside in the Russian Federation and it was normalized in those days i.e. Dagestan, Ingushetia etc.
     
    Those are low grade insurgencies (although they were quite serious, since they took up a lot of resources from the special forces units, it was constant work that was quite dangerous in fact). That's different. Those are technically Russian subjects (but it's still telling that they were fighting). This is different - this is military hardware coming in from the territory of a "hostile state". That hasn't taken place since 1944 or so.

    Btw
     
    Sigh... well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can. You know, under normal circumstances, I couldn't care less, who lives where or who sleeps with who or what citizenship they choose to have for their kids. It really wouldn't matter at all if it wasn't for the dead Ukrainian girls in the rubble and the destroyed cities. That these scum can live in luxury while propagating and waging a war on innocent populations... it's beyond vile...

    On the other hand... it's probably exactly this kind of complacency, not caring what these elites do or that they are completely out of control, that led to all this... Elites must be held to very high standards, post-Soviet elites probably in particular. Until they learn.

    This report is well done, btw. Quite professional (assuming it's accurate which it seems it is). These reports are good, but they are too light. Armed men need to fix this.

    Nevertheless... He needs to be released and soon. He needs to summon all his strength and just hang in there, freedom is coming. But he will be a shadow of the man he once was when he comes out... :(

    Replies: @Dmitry

    “walk into Ukraine” and murder Ukraine’

    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn’t stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders’ desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.

    Until Putin was the 40 years old, the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn’t go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.

    It’s rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but even after the early deaths of the older generation in multiple events of the incorrectly managed public health crisis, most of the population is still born in the USSR, Bruce Springsteen copyright was ignored.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions. Between Russia and Kazakhstan, there isn’t so much border. If people don’t follow the roads, they can accidentally go to the wrong country.

    military hardware coming in from the territory of a “hostile state”. That hasn’t taken place since 1944

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

    Chechen independence forces, were also in this way exparts of the Soviet army, who were using the Soviet military equipment supported by many local politicians, just without international recognition, support or stabilization. Fighting there was still like civil wars of parts of the Soviet army.

    There are different ways you can interpret this. If you view in the short term perspective, it could look like a significant historical events. But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.

    A large part of the internationally recognized Colombian territory is not controlled by Bogota for decades, but alternative armies like FARC have control of regions of the country. There is like non-astroturf version of DNR or LNR.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn’t stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders’ desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.
     
    I understand what you're trying to say, but it looks like it should've been handled with more caution and foresight, because now it can go in either direction.

    the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn’t go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.
     
    Yea, but before 2014, when you crossed borders, the intent was not hostile, whereas now they openly announced hostile intentions. And carried those out to a large extent. So that old reality has changed, sadly.

    It’s rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union
     
    You think they feel different? I'm sure they all have different outlooks, but it seems they have fewer hangups.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions.
     
    I agree with this, it is slow to change these kinds of perceptions. Unfortunately, it was the same for Ukraine in 2014, when they started suppressing the separatists, they initially tried to old way, I recently rewatched a series about those events and there was footage of a few Ukrainian tanks with very young soldiers who were sent to calm down the rebellion and were totally clueless and didn't know what to do. The local population told them to get out, they left and then the armed forces came back with their missile campaign (which turned out too brutal).

    I know this MO well, because when I saw those soldiers in the tank, this reminded me of something I saw some time around 1991 - a Soviet Russian tank that rode through my town, it was very quiet, and the tank just drove past me, the soldier in it must have been like barely 20 years old (but of course he seemed like an adult to me back then), he looked at me very briefly and then rode past. But this was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to "separatism" or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do the same thing. It should have been a different approach probably (neither complacency nor missiles, but something in between maybe). It is a kind of a complacency, same with Belgorod and Graivoron it seems. So you're right. They didn't even have territorial units because they never thought somebody would show up there.

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

     

    Well, they had a ton of Soviet equipment, of course, but they had some of their own as well, that they had recently built. They're very technically savvy. But you're right, I was shocked when I saw how many of the old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn't have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center.

    But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.
     
    Well, it's a large territory, that's why you need a militia on the local level or territorial defense units. But we know that they don't really want the Russian people to be independently armed. I think what Denis did with this second bigger raid is basically demonstrate that the social contract is no longer valid - when they announced the "SMO", the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going "according to the plan". They would have protection, but now it turns out it's not the case. So someone should guarantee their security (not sure Denis is capable of it right now, it is very risky and requires more resources). So if the Russian side does decide to do something about this raiding (which will no doubt continue) on the border regions, they will have to allocated resources to that and this could make them compromise their forces during the Ukrainian offensive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

  798. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    LOL.

    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia. Everything else is roughly predictable.

    I misspoke in an earlier response. I think the video clip shows a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile hitting an apartment building (I typed Buk missile previously). I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields. Sadly there have been many other Russian attacks which have serious civilian casualties, but I think this example makes a different point.

    War is hell and best avoided.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!

    Don’t fall so easily for falsehoods. Look at his own link. It just shows an arrow to Transnistria, which Russia is already occupying. There were no designs beyond Ukraine. Maybe just Belarus itself, in due time.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I know little about Belarus or Moldova.

    For many years I have assumed Russia would "reclaim" much of Ukraine. I think this process naturally includes the strengthening of Russian ties with Belarus and Transnistria. I don't know if this will involve retaking those countries or something less drastic such as updating the CIS to the CRS (Confederation of Russian States).

    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting. Once the SMO is all settled some years in the future, I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia? This might partially overlap the role of NATO and therefore be in conflict with it. This could be part of long-term vision to get Finland out of NATO and probably eventually release Kaliningrad to its own devices.

    Replies: @LatW

  799. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    LOL.

    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia. Everything else is roughly predictable.

    I misspoke in an earlier response. I think the video clip shows a Ukrainian S-300 air defense missile hitting an apartment building (I typed Buk missile previously). I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields. Sadly there have been many other Russian attacks which have serious civilian casualties, but I think this example makes a different point.

    War is hell and best avoided.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia.

    They are fighting for the existence of Ukraine.

    Ukraine is a country that Russia swore to recognize in 1994. Putin in 2008 stated that they have no border contentions with them.

    Here is bunker dwarf in 2008 talking about how Crimea belongs to Ukraine:

    I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields.

    That doesn’t make any sense. You are saying the apartment building contained military targets?

    Stop making stuff up.

    When Putin launches Iranian drones at Kiev is he aiming for military targets?

    Apartment building in Kiev hit by Russian drone
    https://www.businessinsider.com/kyiv-drone-strikes-before-and-after-photos-show-kamikaze-impact-2022-10

    Maybe you don’t read the news. Putin targets civilian areas on a weekly basis at minimum:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/16/air-raid-alerts-sound-across-ukraine-kyiv-repels-missile-attack

    Kiev is not a military target. The front line is over 100 miles away.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane). This probably occurred because the S-300 launchers were emplaced close to apartments and were apparently set up incorrectly as well since the missile struck a building. This didn't get much coverage since there was a lot going on at the time. Something similar happened this year, I think this involved a Kh-22 missile in Dnipro.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    You may have noticed that political leaders say all sorts of things which may or may not be consistent or to your liking. That is why humans came up with this neat concept, sometimes called a treaty or an agreement, which is a more formal and hopefully binding statement of what is really going on. You may have heard of these: ABM Treaty, Minsk II agreement, etc.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  800. Watch these loitering drones take out a pack of Orcs:

  801. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    but is refreshing after a lifetime of disappointment with Western ‘statesmen’.
     
    Western “statesmen” are a winning background: a well-trained dog would look smarter and more dignified than them. One “leader” at least has an excuse of advanced Alzheimer’s, but others are just pieces of shit w/o valid excuses.

    Putin also has another advantage: because the reality is “politically incorrect”, he does not need to lie as much as clowns pushing the imperial narrative.

    IMO, he is a man with at least normal human intelligence and sane views, most of which are likely sincere: people sincerely espousing current libtard views would be locked up in lunatic asylums in the RF. He learned on the job to dress right and behave with dignity. At the beginning of his presidency he did not look and sound nearly as good. The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Also, Putin always successfully fools Western “leaders” by telling the truth. Westerners automatically assume that everything any politician says is a lie, so telling the truth is the best way to deceive them.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Avoiding the internet shows a lack of interest in learning.

    Putin holes up in his $1.3 billion dollar dwarf castle and has his underlings report on the war. Does that sound like someone that values learning? He basically lives in the 80s.

    Putin refuses to use internet
    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-refuses-use-internet-because-hes-worried-about-spies-report-2022-12

    I can tell that he doesn’t have any interest in reading about war strategy. He keeps making the same mistakes of WW1.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Putin's views about Ukraine may seem retrograde to a Westerner, but they are shared by the majority of Russians.

  802. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @QCIC


    I think Luka will release whatever the Kremlin asks him to release!
     
    Don't fall so easily for falsehoods. Look at his own link. It just shows an arrow to Transnistria, which Russia is already occupying. There were no designs beyond Ukraine. Maybe just Belarus itself, in due time.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I know little about Belarus or Moldova.

    For many years I have assumed Russia would “reclaim” much of Ukraine. I think this process naturally includes the strengthening of Russian ties with Belarus and Transnistria. I don’t know if this will involve retaking those countries or something less drastic such as updating the CIS to the CRS (Confederation of Russian States).

    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting. Once the SMO is all settled some years in the future, I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia? This might partially overlap the role of NATO and therefore be in conflict with it. This could be part of long-term vision to get Finland out of NATO and probably eventually release Kaliningrad to its own devices.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting.
     
    What tensions?

    I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia?
     
    With a new Novgorod, yes. 😊 🥂

    Replies: @QCIC

  803. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    The ability to learn is a sure sign of intelligence: fools never learn, as they believe that they know it all, like Bush Jr.

    Avoiding the internet shows a lack of interest in learning.

    Putin holes up in his $1.3 billion dollar dwarf castle and has his underlings report on the war. Does that sound like someone that values learning? He basically lives in the 80s.

    Putin refuses to use internet
    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-refuses-use-internet-because-hes-worried-about-spies-report-2022-12

    I can tell that he doesn't have any interest in reading about war strategy. He keeps making the same mistakes of WW1.

    Replies: @Sean

    Putin’s views about Ukraine may seem retrograde to a Westerner, but they are shared by the majority of Russians.

  804. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    “walk into Ukraine” and murder Ukraine’
     
    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn't stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders' desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.

    Until Putin was the 40 years old, the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn't go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.

    It's rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union, but even after the early deaths of the older generation in multiple events of the incorrectly managed public health crisis, most of the population is still born in the USSR, Bruce Springsteen copyright was ignored.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions. Between Russia and Kazakhstan, there isn't so much border. If people don't follow the roads, they can accidentally go to the wrong country.


    military hardware coming in from the territory of a “hostile state”. That hasn’t taken place since 1944

     

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

    Chechen independence forces, were also in this way exparts of the Soviet army, who were using the Soviet military equipment supported by many local politicians, just without international recognition, support or stabilization. Fighting there was still like civil wars of parts of the Soviet army.

    -

    There are different ways you can interpret this. If you view in the short term perspective, it could look like a significant historical events. But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.

    A large part of the internationally recognized Colombian territory is not controlled by Bogota for decades, but alternative armies like FARC have control of regions of the country. There is like non-astroturf version of DNR or LNR.

    Replies: @LatW

    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn’t stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders’ desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.

    I understand what you’re trying to say, but it looks like it should’ve been handled with more caution and foresight, because now it can go in either direction.

    [MORE]

    the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn’t go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.

    Yea, but before 2014, when you crossed borders, the intent was not hostile, whereas now they openly announced hostile intentions. And carried those out to a large extent. So that old reality has changed, sadly.

    It’s rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union

    You think they feel different? I’m sure they all have different outlooks, but it seems they have fewer hangups.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions.

    I agree with this, it is slow to change these kinds of perceptions. Unfortunately, it was the same for Ukraine in 2014, when they started suppressing the separatists, they initially tried to old way, I recently rewatched a series about those events and there was footage of a few Ukrainian tanks with very young soldiers who were sent to calm down the rebellion and were totally clueless and didn’t know what to do. The local population told them to get out, they left and then the armed forces came back with their missile campaign (which turned out too brutal).

    I know this MO well, because when I saw those soldiers in the tank, this reminded me of something I saw some time around 1991 – a Soviet Russian tank that rode through my town, it was very quiet, and the tank just drove past me, the soldier in it must have been like barely 20 years old (but of course he seemed like an adult to me back then), he looked at me very briefly and then rode past. But this was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to “separatism” or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do the same thing. It should have been a different approach probably (neither complacency nor missiles, but something in between maybe). It is a kind of a complacency, same with Belgorod and Graivoron it seems. So you’re right. They didn’t even have territorial units because they never thought somebody would show up there.

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

    Well, they had a ton of Soviet equipment, of course, but they had some of their own as well, that they had recently built. They’re very technically savvy. But you’re right, I was shocked when I saw how many of the old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn’t have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center.

    But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.

    Well, it’s a large territory, that’s why you need a militia on the local level or territorial defense units. But we know that they don’t really want the Russian people to be independently armed. I think what Denis did with this second bigger raid is basically demonstrate that the social contract is no longer valid – when they announced the “SMO”, the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going “according to the plan”. They would have protection, but now it turns out it’s not the case. So someone should guarantee their security (not sure Denis is capable of it right now, it is very risky and requires more resources). So if the Russian side does decide to do something about this raiding (which will no doubt continue) on the border regions, they will have to allocated resources to that and this could make them compromise their forces during the Ukrainian offensive.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Fireforce, much like the Rhodesian bush war. Drones identify raiders then the mass of quads arrive and pour in fire. The remnants retreat or surrender.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    think they feel different? I’m sure they all have different outlooks
     
    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries. Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.

    For any older generation, the new countries are often merging a lot more in peoples' views, as changes or new countries happening in your life seem a lot more artificial, than changes happening before you are born.


    was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to “separatism” or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do

     

    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.

    Grozny, December 1994 the moved tanks in the centre of the city as a kind of demonstration, before many were destroyed in the night by anti-tank weapons.


    old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn’t have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center
     
    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.

    social contract is no longer valid – when they announced the “SMO”, the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going “according to the plan”

     

    I feel there is misunderstanding there is social contract in Russia. Also an idea people would be shocked about some fighting in Russia. It's not Western Europe or America where people have those kind of high expectations.

    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.

    Yet, if I remember around 1000 Russian citizens were dying each year, from the internal war in Russia each year even in Medvedev years, if you include both sides and civilians.

    Of course, the situation with Ukraine is going to be a serious problem for the internal security. Although a lot of this aspect, can be also questionable. For example, when every few months there is supposedly a defeated terrorist attack in Russia, by Ukrainian radicals etc. https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/27460/4714614/ It's not always clear which are real or not.


    Sigh… well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can.
     
    You know the traditional joke. "We want to destroy America and get a Green Card".

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

  805. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I know little about Belarus or Moldova.

    For many years I have assumed Russia would "reclaim" much of Ukraine. I think this process naturally includes the strengthening of Russian ties with Belarus and Transnistria. I don't know if this will involve retaking those countries or something less drastic such as updating the CIS to the CRS (Confederation of Russian States).

    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting. Once the SMO is all settled some years in the future, I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia? This might partially overlap the role of NATO and therefore be in conflict with it. This could be part of long-term vision to get Finland out of NATO and probably eventually release Kaliningrad to its own devices.

    Replies: @LatW

    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting.

    What tensions?

    I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia?

    With a new Novgorod, yes. 😊 🥂

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc. My writing wasn't clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don't expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along and this often plays out in the long run. I admit it seems far-fetched at the moment. On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.

    Replies: @LatW

  806. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Wokechoke


    The English population was tiny in comparison to France at the time of Napoleon 20 million French and 7 Million in Britain and Ireland. In the medieval period it may have been wider still.
     
    We were talking about the period of the Black Death and the Hundred Year's War, not Napoleon. Although your point is correct insofar as I believe for Hundred Year's War France had about 10 million while England had only 1-2 million.

    Since you mentioned the Napoleonic era, perhaps my impression is wrong, but England/Britain's innovation in the Agricultural Revolution led to greater food production which meant the British isles managed to reach parity with France in terms of population post-1815 despite smaller territorial possession.


    The Plague really did hit England hard. France has certain areas where 40% died but also had areas that 10-15% died. The Black Plague was a 40% die off everywhere in England. Florence famously hot by the plague only lost 20%. Among the wealthy and clean living it passed over.

     

    I'm curious regarding your sources, or at least a coherent explanation of the reasons why you believe England was uniquely hard hit (we're ignoring China since you chose to focus only on Europe, of course).

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Wokechoke

    Heavy dark clothing, questionable hygiene.

    In the Med where people wore light colored and lighter cloth there were less body lice being carried around. The Medieval English didn’t appear to wash in the lower classes. More body lice so more plague. The plague was comparatively lighter in Florence. As you went north the proportion of deaths increased until you got to the lowlands in Scotland.

    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.

    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
    • Replies: @S
    @Wokechoke


    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.
     
    This reminds me how the Germans, to determine how best they could help their beleaguered Italian allies in Libya in their struggle with Britain, had sent a staff officer from Berlin to fly there and personally gage the situation.

    Weeks later he reported back that the crux of the problem for the Italians was that one British soldier was worth twelve of the Italian infantry.

    The German higher ups couldn't believe the situation in North Africa could possibly be that dire for the Italians, yet this is what the officer reported.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  807. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn’t stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders’ desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.
     
    I understand what you're trying to say, but it looks like it should've been handled with more caution and foresight, because now it can go in either direction.

    the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn’t go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.
     
    Yea, but before 2014, when you crossed borders, the intent was not hostile, whereas now they openly announced hostile intentions. And carried those out to a large extent. So that old reality has changed, sadly.

    It’s rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union
     
    You think they feel different? I'm sure they all have different outlooks, but it seems they have fewer hangups.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions.
     
    I agree with this, it is slow to change these kinds of perceptions. Unfortunately, it was the same for Ukraine in 2014, when they started suppressing the separatists, they initially tried to old way, I recently rewatched a series about those events and there was footage of a few Ukrainian tanks with very young soldiers who were sent to calm down the rebellion and were totally clueless and didn't know what to do. The local population told them to get out, they left and then the armed forces came back with their missile campaign (which turned out too brutal).

    I know this MO well, because when I saw those soldiers in the tank, this reminded me of something I saw some time around 1991 - a Soviet Russian tank that rode through my town, it was very quiet, and the tank just drove past me, the soldier in it must have been like barely 20 years old (but of course he seemed like an adult to me back then), he looked at me very briefly and then rode past. But this was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to "separatism" or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do the same thing. It should have been a different approach probably (neither complacency nor missiles, but something in between maybe). It is a kind of a complacency, same with Belgorod and Graivoron it seems. So you're right. They didn't even have territorial units because they never thought somebody would show up there.

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

     

    Well, they had a ton of Soviet equipment, of course, but they had some of their own as well, that they had recently built. They're very technically savvy. But you're right, I was shocked when I saw how many of the old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn't have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center.

    But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.
     
    Well, it's a large territory, that's why you need a militia on the local level or territorial defense units. But we know that they don't really want the Russian people to be independently armed. I think what Denis did with this second bigger raid is basically demonstrate that the social contract is no longer valid - when they announced the "SMO", the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going "according to the plan". They would have protection, but now it turns out it's not the case. So someone should guarantee their security (not sure Denis is capable of it right now, it is very risky and requires more resources). So if the Russian side does decide to do something about this raiding (which will no doubt continue) on the border regions, they will have to allocated resources to that and this could make them compromise their forces during the Ukrainian offensive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    Fireforce, much like the Rhodesian bush war. Drones identify raiders then the mass of quads arrive and pour in fire. The remnants retreat or surrender.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke

    They left when the Russian troops opened fire, because they didn't want the population to be hurt.

  808. @Sher Singh
    @Yahya

    You've posted the tomb of a man who used to fuck his daughter.
    Enjoying the KFC?

    Is there a need to respond to the rest?
    You give women to Christians shouldn't I just talk to them??

    @songbird What u think, how u doing?

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    Did not know Sikhs were proselytizing here.

    Just like how the Mormons try to do it with genealogy, Sikhs should hijack that database of historical battles and maybe add duels to it.

    Get the people who go to Gettysburg and get them to lift.

  809. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Fireforce, much like the Rhodesian bush war. Drones identify raiders then the mass of quads arrive and pour in fire. The remnants retreat or surrender.

    Replies: @LatW

    They left when the Russian troops opened fire, because they didn’t want the population to be hurt.

  810. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Btw return to topic of Egypt.

    Arab culture is stereo-typically mix of aristocrat/feudal and redneck, anti-intellectual.

    The elite model, is sitting in palace eating dates, occasionally going outside the palace to sacrifice a camel or kill someone who insulted your honor by looking at your sister.

    So, this model for development, waiting for your magic carpets to solve the traffic in Cairo, or "genetic engineering" to create a hi-tech industry, is a kind of matching too conveniently the romantic stereotypes.

    However, how will you explain India. Indians are one of the most nerdy cultures in history. Today, Indian employees are rapidly "plug and play" in the most advanced "fourth industrial revolution" sectors. While, Indian cities are often more of a chaos than anywhere in Africa, including not only Cairo, also Nigeria etc.

    The "plug and play" aspect of the Indian employees is especially funny, because they "plug and play" directly from the third world not to lower class of the first world, but it's future industries. They are "plug and play" from chaos of Mumbai slums, to Harvard or Menlo Park.

    There is the explanation for such complex systems like national development can only have some small understanding with the thousand variables of the historian, not some theories about the kind of puzzle test results to explain the development of the countries.

    -

    When I young in the classroom, I never expected I would need to explain our scores in the school test, was not relevant explaining the forces of history which somehow created the childhood in the trash can of history. Especially as the Soviet Union had went to the trashcan with some of the best teaching in the world for technical areas.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Yahya

    However, how will you explain India.

    I’ve written a post before India. The problem in its essence: India is a bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1, and that is why it is a sh*thole, albeit one that can produce some modicum of elite science and technology. There is room for improvement in India if some institutional and cultural changes are effected, but India’s developmental level is capped in relation to China, because there are too many Sher Singhs for the Tatas to carry on their shoulders.

    As for your dismissal of IQ tests as mere puzzles, well I will just leave you some links demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

    But my guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor will change your mind, since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Yahya


    demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.
     
    Word of caution from scientific viewpoint. By definition, statistics deals with groups of objects (humans in this case), not individual ones. By definition, statistics gives you a probability, not a certainty. The correlation you put your faith in tells you what’s likely to be, not what will be. The average IQ score in a group is a valid predictor (with the probability you calculate, which is never 100%), whereas an IQ score of an individual is not. That’s what statistical results actually tell you, unless you are a true believer. In the latter case evidence does not matter, Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as Jesus or Vishnu.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Jazman

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    post before India.
     
    Something about why India has less Nobel prize winners than United Kingdom, although it has also more Nobel prize winners than China.

    Great Britain is a first world country, with scientific history, funding for universities etc. India is a third world countries, without funding for science etc.

    There is quite a difference of the confounders, like the difference an ancient mud village and a laboratory of Oxford/


    bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1,
     
    This is a way to say, in third world countries, most of the people are still peasants.

    Of course, there are more peasants in the third world country.

    When the country industrializes, the peasants move to the city, become urban proletariat, some part join the middle class, higher proportion go to university etc as the historical process of the Soviet Union century in the past, China in last thirty years.

    Perhaps for India, this will be 2050s or sometimes.


    guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor
     
    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it's like someone telling about " statistical evidence or rigor" of astrology, when the problem is not the interpretation of results of astrology, but the concepts are mystical and don't have lawlike relation to what they want to explain.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm
     
    I can read a few paragraphs, of this writing, which seems to have some statistical illiteracy and also a kind of gullible text, "GDP is positively correlated to average IQ".

    For example, it's possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.

    I won't waste more time in this discussion, but wasn't the data they are discussing not just concepts, also faked?
    https://psyarxiv.com/26vfb/


    since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.
     
    I guess, a pre-defense of believers of astrology, chiropody etc, when you talk to them.

    Replies: @Yahya

  811. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    nuclear war with the West means that everyone’s family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won’t use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.
     
    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there's no need to worry anymore. Let's declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Let's help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia. They won't dare use their nukes and extinguish themselves. It would be silly. We can all sit down and relax watching the show from our coaches.

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It's like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that's too horrific or Putin will never invade Ukraine because he's not so irrational.

    As a matter of fact, Putin had clearly explained his imperialistic designs on Ukraine in an article published the summer before the invasion. But why pay attention to what Putin says? He's a liar and a deranged dictator so let's ignore his threats. By the same token, when he said that he's not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in so he wouldn't hesitate to destroy it if someone attacked Russia it was all empty threats. Purely imaginary red lines in our minds. Let's cross them and build a better world. We're perfectly safe in Germany or the US.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.

    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific

    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia’s nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn’t want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.

    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one’s own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in

    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be “safe”, you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a “world without Russia.”

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn’t want to take my chances.
     
    Worth noting that the 1990s Taliban was a bit more radical than its 2020s counterpart. Back in the 1990s, they castrated and hanged Najibullah and his brother, banned photography and the Internet as un-Islamic, et cetera. Now they use iPhones, TikTok, and Twitter lol.

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a “world without Russia.”
     
    Are the Russian nukes in Kaliningrad just for show? Interestingly enough, this is why I speculated that in the unlikely event of a future Russia-NATO war over the Baltics, NATO would be better off trying to liberate the Baltics through Belarus instead of through Kaliningrad. The Suwalki Corridor by itself might be too narrow for NATO to use only it to liberate the Baltics from Russia.

    BTW, do you support a NATO no-fly zone over Ukraine? Because that should defeat Russia quite quickly *if* nukes aren't used. The *if* here is extraordinarily crucial, of course. I'm not sure if I view Russia's leadership as being *fully* rational since they appear to have genuinely believed that there was a genocide in the Donbass (in spite of there being, what, 12 people killed as a result of the Donbass War in all of 2021? Less than 12 people?), that NATO was going to place nukes and/or missiles in Ukraine in spite of there being exactly zero evidence that NATO was ever actually interested in doing any of these things, and that Ukraine's language policies are the equivalent of using a WMD against the Russian people (this is an actual statement from Putin's 2021 speech On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians, shockingly enough). That's not to say that the Russian leadership is fully irrational either, only that their mentality is somewhere between fully rational and fully irrational.

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?
     
    This is by no means over yet. Putin could still make Hitler's actions look like child's play. And it all depends on how level headed we are.

    But not really, I was comparing you to the people who didn't believe the Nazis would try to exterminate the Jews or the people who a year and a half ago didn't think that Putin would invade Ukraine. Actually, that would be you, wouldn't it? You were wrong then and you may well be wrong now again. But the stakes for the world are much higher in this current prediction of yours.

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants
     
    Not at all. But please get your feet on the ground. Of course nuclear powers get to do things that the rest can't. They may have stopped the Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, who knows, but Eisenhower and Johnson (nor exactly doves) had the same understanding that I do now. Everybody did back then. Now idiocy prevails, in this like in so many other subjects.

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    In the context of Ukraine, AP seems to believe the risk of nuclear war and WW3 are trivial and not a concern. He wrote this rhetorical question, referring to the good old days when the political leadership of the USA was vaguely reasonable:


    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?
     
    LOL!

    Back here in the real world, the government of the USA appointed Sam Brinton as a senior leader in the department responsible for nuclear waste. Admiral Richard Levine was appointed to be a senior leader in an enormous government agency related to health. These very high profile recent actions are not those of a reasonable government with sensible leaders. I will spare you the photographs of these mentally ill individuals who are seen by many as icons within our modern Western power structure.

    I submit that trusting the US government to do the right thing in tense situations involving nuclear war is outright fantasy. It would have been much better if the USA had avoided this situation by not using Ukraine as a military proxy against Russia.

    You people have no idea how dangerous this is. The USA should stop sending arms to Ukraine tomorrow. Ukraine should unconditionally surrender immediately. Just deal with it.
    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Goebbels didnt want his children gang raped by the onrushing allies.

  812. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    However, how will you explain India.
     
    I've written a post before India. The problem in its essence: India is a bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1, and that is why it is a sh*thole, albeit one that can produce some modicum of elite science and technology. There is room for improvement in India if some institutional and cultural changes are effected, but India's developmental level is capped in relation to China, because there are too many Sher Singhs for the Tatas to carry on their shoulders.

    As for your dismissal of IQ tests as mere puzzles, well I will just leave you some links demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

    But my guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor will change your mind, since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.

    Word of caution from scientific viewpoint. By definition, statistics deals with groups of objects (humans in this case), not individual ones. By definition, statistics gives you a probability, not a certainty. The correlation you put your faith in tells you what’s likely to be, not what will be. The average IQ score in a group is a valid predictor (with the probability you calculate, which is never 100%), whereas an IQ score of an individual is not. That’s what statistical results actually tell you, unless you are a true believer. In the latter case evidence does not matter, Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as Jesus or Vishnu.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    What a word salad, Professor. When a correlation (derived from pure statistics) is sufficiently strong we all adjust our behaviors and expectations. Some smokers live into their 100s but doctors advise their patients not to smoke with good reason. They d0n't need to be "true believers" in anything and in fact they may be smokers themselves, they just need to be rational.

    Herrnstein and Murray have never been seriously refuted on the subject at hand.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1661698114917646336?t=RVuTNsCwLdiOixTp5E5KeA&s=33&fbclid=IwAR1J6cUIasioFzy_hIb0Trhj2t1Tix5mtG6NdLyY7Yd6BHPUUAumaq5BymQ

    everything you said about Corona and vaccine was correct

  813. @Mikel
    @LatW


    Well, I meant in modern times.
     
    Unfortunately, nothing much changed since that fateful invasion, 500 years ago. Just some minor border changes between France and Spain. For a short period of time there was an independent kingdom of sorts in the French Basque Country but they decided to join the Protestant reform and the French ended the experiment.

    As to your question about the French causing issues, Basque nationalism only started in the late 19th century, like all other nationalisms. But it never was as strong in the French Basque Country as in the Spanish one. This is due to the French being more efficient than the Spanish at imposing their culture (though they never managed to eradicate the Basque language) and the lack of a prosperity differential between Basques and French that did develop between Basques and Spaniards after the industrial revolution. Still, a small armed independentist group existed in the French Basque Country in the 60s-80s period. They were called Iparretarrak (the Northerners). The French Basque Country is called Iparralde in Basque (the northern part). This group, like the much larger ETA movement in the South was heavily influenced by Marxism though. This was the time of the national/social liberation ideologies. Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology. Another reason for me to veer away from them.

    Replies: @LatW

    Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology.

    Yes, unfortunately, some of these oppressed populations tend to develop that illness (like the Riflemen did, also during the wave of prevailing socialist ideologies or how the IRA was sympathetic to the Palestinians, although that may not have been due to Marxism, as I understand, only one wing of IRA stuck to that ideology). It’s somewhat understandable in that context, although far from great, of course. I know that there was also a true, nationalist wing of ETA .

    Anyway, thanks for sharing all that (and sorry for my ignorance). But I think my point still stands in that Ukraine has been more contested from outside nationalities and empires – culturally, politically, demographically, identity wise, than the Basque Country, although it is slightly comparable (although neither Spain nor France are not really like Russia here).

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    I know that there was also a true, nationalist wing of ETA .
     
    Not really. There were a couple of splits in ETA but they were all of a Marxist nature. Perhaps what you have in mind (and this would actually put you in a very advanced level of knowledge) is that ETA itself was a split from EGI: the youth section of the Basque Nationalist Party (PNV) in the late 50s.

    The PNV was a clerical, moderate right-wing party that offered armed resistance to Franco during the Spanish Civil War but the surviving leaders went into exile and abandoned armed struggle once Franco conquered the Basque territory. They didn't even follow the Republicans' policy of destroying the factories before retreating because they didn't want to harm the occupied Basque population. Some members of my family were clandestine militants of the PNV and I was a member of EGI myself in my early teens when it had already become legal.

    This origin of ETA meant that many of its members, especially in the early days, were not too much on board with Marxism. I read a book written by one of them who explained how it was common in those early days for ETA prisoners to pray together in detention before being tortured by the Francoist police.
  814. @LatW
    @QCIC


    Sorting out tensions in the Baltics will be interesting.
     
    What tensions?

    I wonder if a new Baltic organization will be created which includes Russia?
     
    With a new Novgorod, yes. 😊 🥂

    Replies: @QCIC

    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc. My writing wasn’t clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don’t expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along and this often plays out in the long run. I admit it seems far-fetched at the moment. On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc.
     
    These tensions are, of course, not desirable, but they are not so bad that they cannot be managed.

    My writing wasn’t clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don’t expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.
     
    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don't believe this and don't care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along
     
    Absolutely, peace is always better, peace is fruitful, unrest and quarreling is harmful. All those countries in the region have a good relationship among themselves, and will continue to have it that way even if Russia is isolated. Most people did get along during the Cold War. Those who were inside their own camp. They just did not communicate with the other camp. But we'll see what the Russian people make of it. There is hope they can become free, although the hope is small (small but ardent like a sparkle).

    On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.
     
    There will no longer be a vacuum because those nations will arm themselves. And Ukraine will be integrated into the West in some form.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

  815. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Yahya


    The links between the Islamic & Christian portions of the Mediterranean weren’t completely broken, just weakened following the Islamic conquest.
     
    Don't you see a basic logical problem here though?

    There was no "Islamic portion of the Mediterranean" before Islamic conquest, meaning that there were no Muslim links pre-existing ~650 AD at all to begin with that could ever even be "broken".

    Trade between the Mamelukes and Venice were established in the 13th century, and led to an exchange of materials and goods as well as artistic styles and techniques. The Venetians acted as conduits to trade between the Islamic world and Europe. Artists in Syria and Egypt produced works of craftsmanship in glass, metal, silk, and wood; while Venetians supplied brass and copper to the Mameluke Sultanate.

     

    I should've clarified that I wasn't referring strictly and only to trade and commercial transactions, but even things like immigration, settlement, intermarriage, and elite interaction at the level of royal courts. Those are two very different things. Commercial transactions, especially in civilian trade, don't show the true state of relations between different communities. Perhaps sales/transfer of arms, weapons, and military equipment does though.

    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.

    One also mustn’t forget that Muslims occupied Iberia, Sicily & the Balkans for centuries.

     

    Of course, but the way in which there are new apologist perspectives of how those were tolerant, enlightened, or even "Golden Age" conquests are just grotesque. For instance, notion that the Islamic Caliphate itself underwent a "Golden Age" is just nonsense as the Library of Alexandria was actually destroyed by the Muslims as a customary part of practicing Jihad. Unbelievable people get payed to push those narratives. No amount of obfuscation can cover up the sheer extent of Jihad and religious-tribal warfare involved in all of those cases.

    I recently came across this passage in Neitzche’s Anti-Christ, where he interestingly opines that Andalusia was “fundamentally nearer to us” than Greece and Rome:

     

    Nietzche is fringe and not mainstream. Interestingly his logic for preference of Islam over Christianity because "Christianity is weak while Islam is a strong warrior Jihad religion" or something along those lines, was also shared by the Nazis. Along with a preference and serious appreciation for paganism.

    Otherwise, I should clarify that I'm not being "Islamophobic" or whatever other nonsense terms there are about that, but that I'm just stating it as I actually perceive it to have been. Since obviously many here are on various sides of many different fault lines of Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations", that may mean everyone just easily gets upset (Huntington's work was hated by Western liberals and Muslims since he shattered their bubbles and said things like "Islam has bloody borders", Muslim youth bulge is a serious demographic problem of creating masses of Muslim jihadists, and so on) and nobody is capable of bridging the inherently irreconcilable differences of their perspectives. Still, Huntington's work is the most relevant, insightful and valuable in its field since 1992 (when it was an original essay response to Fukuyama) while Fukuyama's "End of History" will hopefully live forever in infamy. It feels like the world would be a better place if everyone honestly acknowledged Huntington's fault lines and then worked on if not bridging differences, then at least reducing friction as much as possible. It honestly feels to me several problems of the present are caused by ruling elites (particularly in the USA) that embrace the worldview of Francis Fukuyama instead of Samuel Huntington.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    For instance, intermarriage of Christian dynasties with Muslim ones basically never happened. Perhaps only the Ottoman expansion in the Balkans of late 14th century and 15th century is the exception, with the Christian polities being wiped out eventually with military force anyway. Unthinkable for dynasties of France, England, Italy, and Germany intermarrying with Muslim dynasties at that time.

    Yes, this is likely correct, though I want to point out that in the 21st century, there was a single case of a German (Bavarian) royal man marrying a (likely Muslim) Turkish woman:

    https://www.tatler.com/gallery/the-wedding-of-prince-konstantin-of-bavaria-and-princess-deniz-of-bavaria

    This was, of course, almost 100 years after the abolition of the various German Empire monarchies, including Bavaria’s.

  816. @QCIC
    @LatW

    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc. My writing wasn't clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don't expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along and this often plays out in the long run. I admit it seems far-fetched at the moment. On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.

    Replies: @LatW

    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc.

    These tensions are, of course, not desirable, but they are not so bad that they cannot be managed.

    My writing wasn’t clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don’t expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.

    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don’t believe this and don’t care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along

    Absolutely, peace is always better, peace is fruitful, unrest and quarreling is harmful. All those countries in the region have a good relationship among themselves, and will continue to have it that way even if Russia is isolated. Most people did get along during the Cold War. Those who were inside their own camp. They just did not communicate with the other camp. But we’ll see what the Russian people make of it. There is hope they can become free, although the hope is small (small but ardent like a sparkle).

    On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.

    There will no longer be a vacuum because those nations will arm themselves. And Ukraine will be integrated into the West in some form.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don’t believe this and don’t care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).
     
    What's interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.

    It's quite interesting: Russia and the West have historically often been friendly only to subsequently have falling outs. Prussia and Russia were very friendly in the early 19th century but then relations between Prussia/Germany and Russia turned hostile in the very late 19th and early 20th centuries. Then Germany and Russia were friendly again in the 1920s before becoming hostile towards each other again during the Nazi era, and extraordinarily so this time around (with the brief exception of 1939-1941, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). The West and Russia were friendly and allied during WWII (1941-1945), only to subsequently fight a Cold War against each other for almost half a century. The West was also friendly with Russia during WWI but that relationship massively soured due to the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. And of course the West and Russia were also friendly in the 1990s and to some extent the 2000s and early 2010s as well but then things turned sour in 2014 and significantly sour in 2022.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @QCIC
    @LatW

    I try not to let my optimism become delusional. Sometimes there is a fine line between the two, but that is a risk I'm willing to take :)

    The actions of the West in Ukraine are so dangerous and depressing that I try to think about a better future and plant the seeds of those possibilities for people who can't see past the red mist. The details are not as important as the idea to work toward peace.

    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.

    Replies: @LatW

  817. New Mearsheimer speech and Q&A just dropped. Summary: the Russians have the upper hand now; reports of 7 Russians dying for every Ukrainian are nonsense, talks about Russia’s artillery advantage; says F-16s won’t make much difference for Ukraine – takes too long to train pilots; in the unlikely events things go south for Russia there is a high probability they’ll use nukes.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra


    reports of 7 Russians dying for every Ukrainian are nonsense
     
    From the comments (haven't watched the video) he says it is not 7:1, but 2:1.

    Replies: @Matra

  818. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The loss of lives is tragic. That is why it is so sad the Ukrainians signed themselves up as a Western combat proxy against Russia.

    They are fighting for the existence of Ukraine.

    Ukraine is a country that Russia swore to recognize in 1994. Putin in 2008 stated that they have no border contentions with them.

    Here is bunker dwarf in 2008 talking about how Crimea belongs to Ukraine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VOJ7mEviQY

    I think this friendly fire catastrophe was eventually acknowledged by the AFU and was a result of using the Kiev citizens in the building as human shields.

    That doesn't make any sense. You are saying the apartment building contained military targets?

    Stop making stuff up.

    When Putin launches Iranian drones at Kiev is he aiming for military targets?

    Apartment building in Kiev hit by Russian drone
    https://www.businessinsider.com/kyiv-drone-strikes-before-and-after-photos-show-kamikaze-impact-2022-10

    Maybe you don't read the news. Putin targets civilian areas on a weekly basis at minimum:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/16/air-raid-alerts-sound-across-ukraine-kyiv-repels-missile-attack

    Kiev is not a military target. The front line is over 100 miles away.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane). This probably occurred because the S-300 launchers were emplaced close to apartments and were apparently set up incorrectly as well since the missile struck a building. This didn’t get much coverage since there was a lot going on at the time. Something similar happened this year, I think this involved a Kh-22 missile in Dnipro.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    You may have noticed that political leaders say all sorts of things which may or may not be consistent or to your liking. That is why humans came up with this neat concept, sometimes called a treaty or an agreement, which is a more formal and hopefully binding statement of what is really going on. You may have heard of these: ABM Treaty, Minsk II agreement, etc.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane).

    So you are suggesting that the Ukrainians hit their own population center?

    Ok provide some evidence of what we all know is total bullshit. Show us the work of your fact checking.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    What was the target?

    Why don't you explain the target here:

    https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/iranian-made-drones-ukraine-1.jpg?quality=85&w=2400

    Putin launches drone and missile attacks on Kiev every single week. The battle is in Bakhmut. What he is doing is a war crime.

    You're an embarrassment to other Putin defenders. You are better off not replying.

    Replies: @QCIC

  819. @AP
    @Mikel


    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.
     
    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

     

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn't want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.
     
    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one's own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in
     
    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be "safe", you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a "world without Russia."

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn’t want to take my chances.

    Worth noting that the 1990s Taliban was a bit more radical than its 2020s counterpart. Back in the 1990s, they castrated and hanged Najibullah and his brother, banned photography and the Internet as un-Islamic, et cetera. Now they use iPhones, TikTok, and Twitter lol.

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a “world without Russia.”

    Are the Russian nukes in Kaliningrad just for show? Interestingly enough, this is why I speculated that in the unlikely event of a future Russia-NATO war over the Baltics, NATO would be better off trying to liberate the Baltics through Belarus instead of through Kaliningrad. The Suwalki Corridor by itself might be too narrow for NATO to use only it to liberate the Baltics from Russia.

    BTW, do you support a NATO no-fly zone over Ukraine? Because that should defeat Russia quite quickly *if* nukes aren’t used. The *if* here is extraordinarily crucial, of course. I’m not sure if I view Russia’s leadership as being *fully* rational since they appear to have genuinely believed that there was a genocide in the Donbass (in spite of there being, what, 12 people killed as a result of the Donbass War in all of 2021? Less than 12 people?), that NATO was going to place nukes and/or missiles in Ukraine in spite of there being exactly zero evidence that NATO was ever actually interested in doing any of these things, and that Ukraine’s language policies are the equivalent of using a WMD against the Russian people (this is an actual statement from Putin’s 2021 speech On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians, shockingly enough). That’s not to say that the Russian leadership is fully irrational either, only that their mentality is somewhere between fully rational and fully irrational.

  820. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc.
     
    These tensions are, of course, not desirable, but they are not so bad that they cannot be managed.

    My writing wasn’t clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don’t expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.
     
    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don't believe this and don't care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along
     
    Absolutely, peace is always better, peace is fruitful, unrest and quarreling is harmful. All those countries in the region have a good relationship among themselves, and will continue to have it that way even if Russia is isolated. Most people did get along during the Cold War. Those who were inside their own camp. They just did not communicate with the other camp. But we'll see what the Russian people make of it. There is hope they can become free, although the hope is small (small but ardent like a sparkle).

    On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.
     
    There will no longer be a vacuum because those nations will arm themselves. And Ukraine will be integrated into the West in some form.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don’t believe this and don’t care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).

    What’s interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.

    It’s quite interesting: Russia and the West have historically often been friendly only to subsequently have falling outs. Prussia and Russia were very friendly in the early 19th century but then relations between Prussia/Germany and Russia turned hostile in the very late 19th and early 20th centuries. Then Germany and Russia were friendly again in the 1920s before becoming hostile towards each other again during the Nazi era, and extraordinarily so this time around (with the brief exception of 1939-1941, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). The West and Russia were friendly and allied during WWII (1941-1945), only to subsequently fight a Cold War against each other for almost half a century. The West was also friendly with Russia during WWI but that relationship massively soured due to the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. And of course the West and Russia were also friendly in the 1990s and to some extent the 2000s and early 2010s as well but then things turned sour in 2014 and significantly sour in 2022.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    What’s interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.
     
    I would not call them Ostkrieger, that is way too exaggerated. They may not have been "returning" to anything, just unwillingly forced into the current situation by the circumstances (although there may have been different undercurrents in their society).

    The West and Russia were friendly
     
    It is important on what terms one is friendly, if one is friendly for mercantile reasons or allied against a common enemy that is one thing. But to be truly friendly, one either has to be a close relative with a good relationship where that relationship derives from kinship or countries must be united by common values and behavior standards.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

     

    That is not very realistic. There are no institutional preconditions for that. There are even questions about what kind of a power could come in place that the West would talk to - it is most likely not going to be a group of liberals, but some group that will arise from the existing functionaries. And there is a possibility of a Russian smuta. But there could also be some kind of a peaceful transition eventually. Not into a real democracy, but to a new leader. As I said, that they would become really free, is a very small hope.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  821. @LatW
    @QCIC


    I was referring to the recent tensions between Finland and Russia, long-standing tensions between Poland and Russia, concerns over Kaliningrad, Nordstream, etc.
     
    These tensions are, of course, not desirable, but they are not so bad that they cannot be managed.

    My writing wasn’t clear, since I intended to refer to most of the countries in the entire Baltic Sea region, not simply the Baltic States. I don’t expect the smaller countries would willingly align with Russia unless Poland and Germany reached some serious, mutually binding security guarantees with Russia covering the full group.
     
    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don't believe this and don't care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).

    My optimism is only based on the fact that most people prefer to get along
     
    Absolutely, peace is always better, peace is fruitful, unrest and quarreling is harmful. All those countries in the region have a good relationship among themselves, and will continue to have it that way even if Russia is isolated. Most people did get along during the Cold War. Those who were inside their own camp. They just did not communicate with the other camp. But we'll see what the Russian people make of it. There is hope they can become free, although the hope is small (small but ardent like a sparkle).

    On the other hand, NATO will not exist forever and nature abhors a vacuum.
     
    There will no longer be a vacuum because those nations will arm themselves. And Ukraine will be integrated into the West in some form.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    I try not to let my optimism become delusional. Sometimes there is a fine line between the two, but that is a risk I’m willing to take 🙂

    The actions of the West in Ukraine are so dangerous and depressing that I try to think about a better future and plant the seeds of those possibilities for people who can’t see past the red mist. The details are not as important as the idea to work toward peace.

    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.
     
    How would you propose to do that?

    Replies: @QCIC

  822. @Matra
    New Mearsheimer speech and Q&A just dropped. Summary: the Russians have the upper hand now; reports of 7 Russians dying for every Ukrainian are nonsense, talks about Russia's artillery advantage; says F-16s won't make much difference for Ukraine - takes too long to train pilots; in the unlikely events things go south for Russia there is a high probability they'll use nukes.

    Replies: @AP

    reports of 7 Russians dying for every Ukrainian are nonsense

    From the comments (haven’t watched the video) he says it is not 7:1, but 2:1.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @AP

    He said 2:1 in the Russian favour - ie. 2 Ukrainian dead for every Russian - but some "friends" of his believe it is 3:1. He then said it is at least 2:1 due to the Russian artillery advantage. He explains that although there is generally a 3:1 ratio in favour of defensive forces in a war (3 offensive soldiers dead for every defender) the Ukrainians have been on the offensive almost as much as the Russians during this war.


  823. Niggers aren’t human.

    End of thread.

    Will delay posting till next one cuz of load the tweets/images put.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Sher Singh

    I assume "modern black Africans" = Bantu? iirc, the Khoisan, Pygmies, Hadza and San peoples whom the Bantu exterminated or assimilated also have their own primitive/archaic traits/genetic-traces not shared by Bantu, or found in any humans.

    Actually, a really compelling documentary was made by Louis Theroux quite a few years ago documenting the ongoing collapse of civilisation in South Africa... Theroux is of course a typical self-deceiving liberal in attempting to view our world through rose-coloured glasses, but no amount of editing can hide the savagery on display here.
    This particular documentary of Theroux's is especially funny because it was made roughly a decade after a previous one in South Africa where he's trying to gently condescend and subtly undermine "White Racists" in his usual manner... of course it turns out every prediction and warning from the 'racists' came horrifically true even beyond their worst fears at the time.


    Again, Louis Theroux just manages to be open enough in his documentary-making process that his liberal smugness can be looked past. Haven't seen anything from him in years though.

    How it was predicted:
    https://archive.org/details/LouisTheroux-Whites

    How it's going (I recommend this one first):
    https://ok.ru/video/1775903443503

    Oh, and nice interactions between you and Yahya btw, keep it up.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/928/173/fd2.jpg

  824. @QCIC
    @LatW

    I try not to let my optimism become delusional. Sometimes there is a fine line between the two, but that is a risk I'm willing to take :)

    The actions of the West in Ukraine are so dangerous and depressing that I try to think about a better future and plant the seeds of those possibilities for people who can't see past the red mist. The details are not as important as the idea to work toward peace.

    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.

    Replies: @LatW

    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.

    How would you propose to do that?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    The nuclear arms treaties between the USSR and the USA were important. What is left of that should be salvaged and nurtured like the last plant on Earth.

    I don't know how to include China in future treaties, but I hope some wise people have considered it. I trust the Chinese government about as much as you trust the Russians, so I don't know the best path. I believe Taiwan and China will voluntarily reunite anyway, so making their tension into an artificial problem should be avoided. Pressuring China and Israel to expose the true scale of their nuclear arsenals might be a helpful baby step.

    Replies: @LatW

  825. @AnonfromTN
    @Yahya


    demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.
     
    Word of caution from scientific viewpoint. By definition, statistics deals with groups of objects (humans in this case), not individual ones. By definition, statistics gives you a probability, not a certainty. The correlation you put your faith in tells you what’s likely to be, not what will be. The average IQ score in a group is a valid predictor (with the probability you calculate, which is never 100%), whereas an IQ score of an individual is not. That’s what statistical results actually tell you, unless you are a true believer. In the latter case evidence does not matter, Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as Jesus or Vishnu.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Jazman

    What a word salad, Professor. When a correlation (derived from pure statistics) is sufficiently strong we all adjust our behaviors and expectations. Some smokers live into their 100s but doctors advise their patients not to smoke with good reason. They d0n’t need to be “true believers” in anything and in fact they may be smokers themselves, they just need to be rational.

    Herrnstein and Murray have never been seriously refuted on the subject at hand.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I don't think there is an argument here.

    The statistical predictions from the results of many IQ tests are probably valid. This statistical information tells you nothing about an individual. One the other hand, the individual IQ test results MAY also be valid, but it should be kept clearly in mind that tests give false positives and false negatives in individual cases. It is a nice feature that a test can be somewhat unreliable on an individual basis and and still give valid results for large sample sizes.

    It is a topic for a different forum, but I think the optimization of tests such as the SAT for an acceptable level of false positives and false negatives is an under-appreciated topic. Tests such as the SAT were possibly originally optimized based on the idea that false positives were more detrimental than false negatives. In other words, sending less intelligent kids to MIT might be a waste of everyone's time, on average. So naturally there are people who tested low (a false negative result) for which the test result was not representative of their capability. Since the test was part of a selection process with a great many applicants to be evaluated for a small group of positions, this optimization is understandable though not necessarily correct.

    Unfortunately, the newer SAT tests have been DESIGNED to give a large number of false positives.

  826. @AP
    @Matra


    reports of 7 Russians dying for every Ukrainian are nonsense
     
    From the comments (haven't watched the video) he says it is not 7:1, but 2:1.

    Replies: @Matra

    He said 2:1 in the Russian favour – ie. 2 Ukrainian dead for every Russian – but some “friends” of his believe it is 3:1. He then said it is at least 2:1 due to the Russian artillery advantage. He explains that although there is generally a 3:1 ratio in favour of defensive forces in a war (3 offensive soldiers dead for every defender) the Ukrainians have been on the offensive almost as much as the Russians during this war.

  827. @AP
    @Mikel


    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.
     
    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

     

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn't want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.
     
    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one's own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in
     
    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be "safe", you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a "world without Russia."

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    This is by no means over yet. Putin could still make Hitler’s actions look like child’s play. And it all depends on how level headed we are.

    But not really, I was comparing you to the people who didn’t believe the Nazis would try to exterminate the Jews or the people who a year and a half ago didn’t think that Putin would invade Ukraine. Actually, that would be you, wouldn’t it? You were wrong then and you may well be wrong now again. But the stakes for the world are much higher in this current prediction of yours.

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants

    Not at all. But please get your feet on the ground. Of course nuclear powers get to do things that the rest can’t. They may have stopped the Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, who knows, but Eisenhower and Johnson (nor exactly doves) had the same understanding that I do now. Everybody did back then. Now idiocy prevails, in this like in so many other subjects.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    "Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?"

    This is by no means over yet. Putin could still make Hitler’s actions look like child’s play.
     
    Putin is in his seventies and has been in power for 24. Neither he nor his people are fanatical like Hitler et al. What an absurd comparison.

    But not really, I was comparing you to the people who didn’t believe the Nazis would try to exterminate the Jews
     
    Because a quick, bloodless invasion (what Putin believed would happen, as evidenced by the nature of the invasion force) is comparable to the extermination of 6 million Jews.

    The mental gymnastics needed to defend the idea that Ukraine ought to be abandoned because Putin might nuke the world are rather incredible.

    Actually, that would be you, wouldn’t it? You were wrong then and you may well be wrong now again
     
    I was not wrong in a way that would be relevant here.

    I was wrong because I assumed that Putin would know that the invasion would be hard and very bloody, so he wouldn't do it.

    Instead, Putin ignorantly believed that it would be quick and relatively bloodless (like Czechoslovakia 1968) as is shown by the low number of troops he used, presence of riot [police being sent to Kiev, etc. That's the behavior of an opportunist, not a fanatic willing to nuke himself and the rest of the world.
  828. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    The Baltic States would not change their policies just because in some miraculously unrealistic scenario both Poland and Germany decide to ally with the a neo-Bolshevic RusFed. All of those countries you mention, including Germany, yes, even them, find RusFed repulsive now and it is likely to stay that way. My only hope is that there is some possibility of reconnecting after Russia reformats itself in the future. Most people I know don’t believe this and don’t care, they just want Russia to stay away. This is the reality now, and you, too, should get with the program (unless you simply enjoy writing delusional posts).
     
    What's interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.

    It's quite interesting: Russia and the West have historically often been friendly only to subsequently have falling outs. Prussia and Russia were very friendly in the early 19th century but then relations between Prussia/Germany and Russia turned hostile in the very late 19th and early 20th centuries. Then Germany and Russia were friendly again in the 1920s before becoming hostile towards each other again during the Nazi era, and extraordinarily so this time around (with the brief exception of 1939-1941, with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). The West and Russia were friendly and allied during WWII (1941-1945), only to subsequently fight a Cold War against each other for almost half a century. The West was also friendly with Russia during WWI but that relationship massively soured due to the 1917 Bolshevik coup in Russia. And of course the West and Russia were also friendly in the 1990s and to some extent the 2000s and early 2010s as well but then things turned sour in 2014 and significantly sour in 2022.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

    Replies: @LatW

    What’s interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.

    I would not call them Ostkrieger, that is way too exaggerated. They may not have been “returning” to anything, just unwillingly forced into the current situation by the circumstances (although there may have been different undercurrents in their society).

    The West and Russia were friendly

    It is important on what terms one is friendly, if one is friendly for mercantile reasons or allied against a common enemy that is one thing. But to be truly friendly, one either has to be a close relative with a good relationship where that relationship derives from kinship or countries must be united by common values and behavior standards.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

    That is not very realistic. There are no institutional preconditions for that. There are even questions about what kind of a power could come in place that the West would talk to – it is most likely not going to be a group of liberals, but some group that will arise from the existing functionaries. And there is a possibility of a Russian smuta. But there could also be some kind of a peaceful transition eventually. Not into a real democracy, but to a new leader. As I said, that they would become really free, is a very small hope.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    It is important on what terms one is friendly, if one is friendly for mercantile reasons or allied against a common enemy that is one thing. But to be truly friendly, one either has to be a close relative with a good relationship where that relationship derives from kinship or countries must be united by common values and behavior standards.
     
    Well, the West (EU + NATO + the pro-Western parts of East Asia + Israel and the rest of the developed Anglosphere) are united by common values, no? Liberalism, democracy, freedom of speech and expression (well, OK, perhaps less so on this more recently due to Wokeness in the West, etc). There are some differences, ofc. Eastern Europe and East Asia are more nationalistic than the rest of the West is. Ditto for Israel.

    It's great to see Woke leftists become such huge fans of liberal European nationalism as a result of the current Ukraine War, with their support for Ukraine very possibly making EU enlargement into Ukraine a real long-term possibility. A Ukraine conquered by Russia obviously wouldn't have joined the EU.

    That is not very realistic. There are no institutional preconditions for that. There are even questions about what kind of a power could come in place that the West would talk to – it is most likely not going to be a group of liberals, but some group that will arise from the existing functionaries. And there is a possibility of a Russian smuta. But there could also be some kind of a peaceful transition eventually. Not into a real democracy, but to a new leader. As I said, that they would become really free, is a very small hope.
     
    Anatoly Karlin actually speculated about the Russian siloviks and functionaries making a deal with the Russian liberals to keep their wealth and some amount of power and influence in a post-Putin Russia. I can't say that it's an unreasonable prediction; people can be willing to make strange alliances for the sake of convenience.

    I don't know if Russians would be interested in another strongman if Putin is badly discredited by Ukraine, though obviously I can't fully rule it out either. I don't think that Russia is predestined for authoritarianism, but at the same time, I do think that there are stronger authoritarian tendencies in Russia than in the rest of Europe. One could have said the same thing for Belarus before Lukashenko got discredited and for eastern and southern Ukraine until the last decade (they voted for the authoritarian Sovok Yanukovych back in 2010, though I suspect that they now deeply regret this choice of theirs).

    Would be interesting to see just how much of a positive role model Ukraine can be for Russia in the long-run. It's definitely freer than Russia is (except in regards to male emigration while it is in a war of existential survival), but would Ukraine be able to significantly curb and reduce its corruption problem before it enters the EU? The former USSR, other than the Baltics and Georgia, are notoriously corrupt by European standards.
  829. Here’s a timestamp of Mearsheimer talking for about 5 or 6 minutes about casualties.

  830. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    What’s interesting is that Germany is simply returning to its historical role as an Ostkrieger, or eastern warrior, only in an indirect form this time around.
     
    I would not call them Ostkrieger, that is way too exaggerated. They may not have been "returning" to anything, just unwillingly forced into the current situation by the circumstances (although there may have been different undercurrents in their society).

    The West and Russia were friendly
     
    It is important on what terms one is friendly, if one is friendly for mercantile reasons or allied against a common enemy that is one thing. But to be truly friendly, one either has to be a close relative with a good relationship where that relationship derives from kinship or countries must be united by common values and behavior standards.

    I hope that a post-Putin, much more liberal Russia will reconcile with the West for good this time around, let Chechnya go, and eventually join both Russia and the EU once it will clean up its corruption issue and also finally definitively renounce its imperialist ambitions once and for all.

     

    That is not very realistic. There are no institutional preconditions for that. There are even questions about what kind of a power could come in place that the West would talk to - it is most likely not going to be a group of liberals, but some group that will arise from the existing functionaries. And there is a possibility of a Russian smuta. But there could also be some kind of a peaceful transition eventually. Not into a real democracy, but to a new leader. As I said, that they would become really free, is a very small hope.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It is important on what terms one is friendly, if one is friendly for mercantile reasons or allied against a common enemy that is one thing. But to be truly friendly, one either has to be a close relative with a good relationship where that relationship derives from kinship or countries must be united by common values and behavior standards.

    Well, the West (EU + NATO + the pro-Western parts of East Asia + Israel and the rest of the developed Anglosphere) are united by common values, no? Liberalism, democracy, freedom of speech and expression (well, OK, perhaps less so on this more recently due to Wokeness in the West, etc). There are some differences, ofc. Eastern Europe and East Asia are more nationalistic than the rest of the West is. Ditto for Israel.

    It’s great to see Woke leftists become such huge fans of liberal European nationalism as a result of the current Ukraine War, with their support for Ukraine very possibly making EU enlargement into Ukraine a real long-term possibility. A Ukraine conquered by Russia obviously wouldn’t have joined the EU.

    That is not very realistic. There are no institutional preconditions for that. There are even questions about what kind of a power could come in place that the West would talk to – it is most likely not going to be a group of liberals, but some group that will arise from the existing functionaries. And there is a possibility of a Russian smuta. But there could also be some kind of a peaceful transition eventually. Not into a real democracy, but to a new leader. As I said, that they would become really free, is a very small hope.

    Anatoly Karlin actually speculated about the Russian siloviks and functionaries making a deal with the Russian liberals to keep their wealth and some amount of power and influence in a post-Putin Russia. I can’t say that it’s an unreasonable prediction; people can be willing to make strange alliances for the sake of convenience.

    I don’t know if Russians would be interested in another strongman if Putin is badly discredited by Ukraine, though obviously I can’t fully rule it out either. I don’t think that Russia is predestined for authoritarianism, but at the same time, I do think that there are stronger authoritarian tendencies in Russia than in the rest of Europe. One could have said the same thing for Belarus before Lukashenko got discredited and for eastern and southern Ukraine until the last decade (they voted for the authoritarian Sovok Yanukovych back in 2010, though I suspect that they now deeply regret this choice of theirs).

    Would be interesting to see just how much of a positive role model Ukraine can be for Russia in the long-run. It’s definitely freer than Russia is (except in regards to male emigration while it is in a war of existential survival), but would Ukraine be able to significantly curb and reduce its corruption problem before it enters the EU? The former USSR, other than the Baltics and Georgia, are notoriously corrupt by European standards.

  831. @AP
    @Mikel


    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.
     
    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

     

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn't want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.
     
    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one's own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in
     
    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be "safe", you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a "world without Russia."

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    In the context of Ukraine, AP seems to believe the risk of nuclear war and WW3 are trivial and not a concern. He wrote this rhetorical question, referring to the good old days when the political leadership of the USA was vaguely reasonable:

    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    LOL!

    Back here in the real world, the government of the USA appointed Sam Brinton as a senior leader in the department responsible for nuclear waste. Admiral Richard Levine was appointed to be a senior leader in an enormous government agency related to health. These very high profile recent actions are not those of a reasonable government with sensible leaders. I will spare you the photographs of these mentally ill individuals who are seen by many as icons within our modern Western power structure.

    I submit that trusting the US government to do the right thing in tense situations involving nuclear war is outright fantasy. It would have been much better if the USA had avoided this situation by not using Ukraine as a military proxy against Russia.

    You people have no idea how dangerous this is. The USA should stop sending arms to Ukraine tomorrow. Ukraine should unconditionally surrender immediately. Just deal with it.

  832. @AP
    @Beckow


    A few assumptions: Russia remains ruled by the same group…that group can’t survive with a loss of Crimea or core Russian territory
     
    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.

    There is as much a chance of that happening as there is a chance of America sacrificing itself in a nuclear holocaust over a Russian takeover of Estonia.

    But Russia’s nuclear rhetoric is useful because it works in the dumber sorts of cowards. Or for appeasers who know, but who find the excuse a useful one.

    the only weapon left is a small tactical nuke…maybe in Western Ukraine, on an assembled army, or a base in Poland…
     
    This is probably what you eagerly want, but such a response (tactical nuke against a Ukrainian city or more likely Ukrainian forces in the field*) would not lead not to a nuclear counter strike and nuclear escalation. The West would allow Russia to keep the distinction of being the only country to use nukes in the 21st century and the only country to use nukes to kill Europeans. The West would instead implement some devastating conventional response such as the sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of much of Russia’s army by conventional forces. The response would be more devastating on a practical level then Russia’s nuke strike. For this reason, a Russian tactical strike in response to something like Ukrainian forces entering and taking northern Crimea or devastating Belgorod would be very unlikely. Not 0% chance as would be the chances of nuking America, but .01% or whatever chance.

    And then we are back to square one: is Russia going to sacrifice 120 million of its own people by launching nukes against the West in response to losing the Black Sea fleet? Of course not.

    * I doubt Russia would hit a base in Poland or a city in western Ukraine where fallout would hit Poland or miscalculation might result in Polish territory getting hit. A tactical nuke would likely hit an eastern Ukrainian city such as Zaporizhia or Kharkiv (most of Russia’s efforts so far have involved killing eastern Ukrainians, it’s a clear pattern) or would be used on the battlefield. But as I said, the chances of this being attempted in response to something like taking northern Crimea or Belgorod are probably .01% or so.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Loss of Crimea (or, for Mr. XYZ, in extremely unlikely case of Chinese moves in the Far East, loss of Vladivostok) is not going to inspire Russia’s leaders to sacrifice the 15 million people of Moscow or rather about 120 million Russians in a nuclear holocaust.

    Does this mean that Russia’s leadership, even post-Putin, should vehemently oppose joining the West (EU and/or NATO) for fear that this would cause China to attack the Russian Far East?

  833. @LatW
    @QCIC


    Arming these counties is much less important than getting China, Russia and the USA to disarm.
     
    How would you propose to do that?

    Replies: @QCIC

    The nuclear arms treaties between the USSR and the USA were important. What is left of that should be salvaged and nurtured like the last plant on Earth.

    I don’t know how to include China in future treaties, but I hope some wise people have considered it. I trust the Chinese government about as much as you trust the Russians, so I don’t know the best path. I believe Taiwan and China will voluntarily reunite anyway, so making their tension into an artificial problem should be avoided. Pressuring China and Israel to expose the true scale of their nuclear arsenals might be a helpful baby step.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    I trust the Chinese government about as much as you trust the Russians
     
    I don't distrust all Russians. I grew up with them, some of them I trust, others no.

    Pressuring China and Israel to expose the true scale of their nuclear arsenals might be a helpful baby step.
     
    That's not going to happen, and those two particular countries would not bow to the pressure.
  834. @Mikel
    @AP


    nuclear war with the West means that everyone’s family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won’t use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.
     
    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there's no need to worry anymore. Let's declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky. Let's help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia. They won't dare use their nukes and extinguish themselves. It would be silly. We can all sit down and relax watching the show from our coaches.

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It's like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that's too horrific or Putin will never invade Ukraine because he's not so irrational.

    As a matter of fact, Putin had clearly explained his imperialistic designs on Ukraine in an article published the summer before the invasion. But why pay attention to what Putin says? He's a liar and a deranged dictator so let's ignore his threats. By the same token, when he said that he's not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in so he wouldn't hesitate to destroy it if someone attacked Russia it was all empty threats. Purely imaginary red lines in our minds. Let's cross them and build a better world. We're perfectly safe in Germany or the US.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific

    If one wants to be fair, a smarter anti-Semitic leader would have probably aggressively encouraged intermarriage between Jews and gentiles rather than prohibiting it. This would have massively diluted the Jewish population in Germany over the centuries had this arrangement survived for that long. Maybe even prohibited Jew-Jew marriages while one is at it. Jews were only 1% of Germany’s total population, so it would be easy for them to find gentile marriage partners.

    Mass intermarriage between Jews and gentiles for centuries would achieve an outcome similar to the Holocaust, but more eugenically for Germans and without mass murder. This is why some right-wing Israeli Jews refer to intermarriage as a second Holocaust, though in the US case, they’re not fully accurate since a lot of descendants of intermarriage still retain ties to the Jewish community. In the German context, I was talking about a hypothetical smarter anti-Semitic German leader prohibiting Jew-Jew marriages and instead forcing all German Jews to either marry Germans or remain single.

  835. @Sher Singh
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1111069880230359062/image.png

    Niggers aren't human.

    https://twitter.com/empireenjoyer10/status/1661407763367329799

    End of thread.

    Will delay posting till next one cuz of load the tweets/images put.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I assume “modern black Africans” = Bantu? iirc, the Khoisan, Pygmies, Hadza and San peoples whom the Bantu exterminated or assimilated also have their own primitive/archaic traits/genetic-traces not shared by Bantu, or found in any humans.

    Actually, a really compelling documentary was made by Louis Theroux quite a few years ago documenting the ongoing collapse of civilisation in South Africa… Theroux is of course a typical self-deceiving liberal in attempting to view our world through rose-coloured glasses, but no amount of editing can hide the savagery on display here.
    This particular documentary of Theroux’s is especially funny because it was made roughly a decade after a previous one in South Africa where he’s trying to gently condescend and subtly undermine “White Racists” in his usual manner… of course it turns out every prediction and warning from the ‘racists’ came horrifically true even beyond their worst fears at the time.

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    Again, Louis Theroux just manages to be open enough in his documentary-making process that his liberal smugness can be looked past. Haven’t seen anything from him in years though.

    How it was predicted:
    https://archive.org/details/LouisTheroux-Whites

    How it’s going (I recommend this one first):
    https://ok.ru/video/1775903443503

    Oh, and nice interactions between you and Yahya btw, keep it up.

  836. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    What a word salad, Professor. When a correlation (derived from pure statistics) is sufficiently strong we all adjust our behaviors and expectations. Some smokers live into their 100s but doctors advise their patients not to smoke with good reason. They d0n't need to be "true believers" in anything and in fact they may be smokers themselves, they just need to be rational.

    Herrnstein and Murray have never been seriously refuted on the subject at hand.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t think there is an argument here.

    The statistical predictions from the results of many IQ tests are probably valid. This statistical information tells you nothing about an individual. One the other hand, the individual IQ test results MAY also be valid, but it should be kept clearly in mind that tests give false positives and false negatives in individual cases. It is a nice feature that a test can be somewhat unreliable on an individual basis and and still give valid results for large sample sizes.

    It is a topic for a different forum, but I think the optimization of tests such as the SAT for an acceptable level of false positives and false negatives is an under-appreciated topic. Tests such as the SAT were possibly originally optimized based on the idea that false positives were more detrimental than false negatives. In other words, sending less intelligent kids to MIT might be a waste of everyone’s time, on average. So naturally there are people who tested low (a false negative result) for which the test result was not representative of their capability. Since the test was part of a selection process with a great many applicants to be evaluated for a small group of positions, this optimization is understandable though not necessarily correct.

    Unfortunately, the newer SAT tests have been DESIGNED to give a large number of false positives.

  837. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Many of its adherents were just ordinary patriotic youngsters but the cadres were fully indoctrinated in the Marxist ideology.
     
    Yes, unfortunately, some of these oppressed populations tend to develop that illness (like the Riflemen did, also during the wave of prevailing socialist ideologies or how the IRA was sympathetic to the Palestinians, although that may not have been due to Marxism, as I understand, only one wing of IRA stuck to that ideology). It's somewhat understandable in that context, although far from great, of course. I know that there was also a true, nationalist wing of ETA .

    Anyway, thanks for sharing all that (and sorry for my ignorance). But I think my point still stands in that Ukraine has been more contested from outside nationalities and empires - culturally, politically, demographically, identity wise, than the Basque Country, although it is slightly comparable (although neither Spain nor France are not really like Russia here).

    Replies: @Mikel

    I know that there was also a true, nationalist wing of ETA .

    Not really. There were a couple of splits in ETA but they were all of a Marxist nature. Perhaps what you have in mind (and this would actually put you in a very advanced level of knowledge) is that ETA itself was a split from EGI: the youth section of the Basque Nationalist Party (PNV) in the late 50s.

    The PNV was a clerical, moderate right-wing party that offered armed resistance to Franco during the Spanish Civil War but the surviving leaders went into exile and abandoned armed struggle once Franco conquered the Basque territory. They didn’t even follow the Republicans’ policy of destroying the factories before retreating because they didn’t want to harm the occupied Basque population. Some members of my family were clandestine militants of the PNV and I was a member of EGI myself in my early teens when it had already become legal.

    This origin of ETA meant that many of its members, especially in the early days, were not too much on board with Marxism. I read a book written by one of them who explained how it was common in those early days for ETA prisoners to pray together in detention before being tortured by the Francoist police.

  838. LatW says:
    @QCIC
    @LatW

    The nuclear arms treaties between the USSR and the USA were important. What is left of that should be salvaged and nurtured like the last plant on Earth.

    I don't know how to include China in future treaties, but I hope some wise people have considered it. I trust the Chinese government about as much as you trust the Russians, so I don't know the best path. I believe Taiwan and China will voluntarily reunite anyway, so making their tension into an artificial problem should be avoided. Pressuring China and Israel to expose the true scale of their nuclear arsenals might be a helpful baby step.

    Replies: @LatW

    I trust the Chinese government about as much as you trust the Russians

    I don’t distrust all Russians. I grew up with them, some of them I trust, others no.

    Pressuring China and Israel to expose the true scale of their nuclear arsenals might be a helpful baby step.

    That’s not going to happen, and those two particular countries would not bow to the pressure.

  839. S says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Heavy dark clothing, questionable hygiene.

    In the Med where people wore light colored and lighter cloth there were less body lice being carried around. The Medieval English didn’t appear to wash in the lower classes. More body lice so more plague. The plague was comparatively lighter in Florence. As you went north the proportion of deaths increased until you got to the lowlands in Scotland.

    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.

    Replies: @S

    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.

    This reminds me how the Germans, to determine how best they could help their beleaguered Italian allies in Libya in their struggle with Britain, had sent a staff officer from Berlin to fly there and personally gage the situation.

    Weeks later he reported back that the crux of the problem for the Italians was that one British soldier was worth twelve of the Italian infantry.

    The German higher ups couldn’t believe the situation in North Africa could possibly be that dire for the Italians, yet this is what the officer reported.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @S

    The formulation in history was that the English could easy be fighting French armies 10x the size of anything the English could field. By the time of Napoleon it was 3 to 1

  840. @Wokechoke
    @Yahya

    Did Freidrich get out of Germany much? The British Victorians were basically Supermen. Was played out by ww1 but still remarkable people.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Not disputing you, but from Beyond Good and Evil

    European noblesse — of feeling, taste, mores, in short in every superior sense — is the work and invention of France; European commoness, the plebeianism of modern ideas, belongs to England.

    These Englishmen: they are not a philosophical race. Bacon constitutes a downright attack on the philosophic spirit; Hobbes, Hume and Locke were a depreciation, a devaluation of the concept “philosopher” for more than a century. It was against Hume that Kant rose and elevated himself; it was Locke of whom Schelling had a right to say “je méprise Locke [I despise Locke]”.

    In the end they all want to prove that English morality is right, insofar as humanity or the “general welfare” or the “happiness of the greatest number” — nay, the happiness of England is best served by it. With all their powers they like to prove to themselves that the striving for English happiness — by this I mean comfort and fashion (and, at the highest level, a seat in Parliament) — is at the same time the proper path to virtue — that indeed, whatever virtue there has been in the world, consisted of such striving.

    They are a modest and thoroughly mediocre kind, these Utilitarian Englishmen, and, as I said before, insofar as they are boring, one cannot think too highly of their utility.

    This from On Genealogy of Morals, seems to read that he consider Jews to be in ways, superior to Germans, Chinese, and the Romans, whom he regards as not just the noblest, but nobler than it is possible to be dreamt of

    The Romans were the strong and noble, stronger and nobler than they had ever been on earth, never dreamed of; every remnant of them, every inscription delightful, supposing one guesses what is written there. The Jews, on the other hand, were that priestly people of resentment par excellence, inhabited by a folksy-moral genius without equal: just compare the peoples with related talents, such as the Chinese or the Germans, with the Jews, in order to understand what is first and what is fifth range is. Which of them has conquered for the time being, Rome or Judea? But there is no doubt at all: just consider to whom one bows down today in Rome itself as the epitome of all highest values – and not only in Rome, but almost half over the world, wherever only man has become tame or wants to become tame – before three Jews, as we know, and one Jewess (before Jesus of Nazareth, the fisherman Peter, the carpet weaver Paul and the mother of the Jesus mentioned at the beginning, called Mary). This is very strange: Rome is without a doubt inferior.

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    …die europäische noblesse — des Gefühls, des Geschmacks, der Sitte, kurz, das Wort in jedem hohen Sinne genommen — ist Frankreich’s Werk und Erfindung, die europäische Gemeinheit, der Plebejismus der modernen Ideen — Englands. —

    Das ist keine philosophische Rasse — diese Engländer; Bacon bedeutet einen Angriff auf den philosophischen Geist überhaupt, Hobbes, Hume und Locke eine Erniedrigung und Werth-Minderung des Begriffs »Philosoph« für mehr als ein Jahrhundert. Gegen Hume erhob und hob sich Kant; Locke war es, von dem Schelling sagen durfte: »je méprise Locke«;

    Zuletzt wollen sie Alle, daß die englische Moralität Recht bekomme: insofern gerade damit der Menschheit, oder dem »allgemeinen Nutzen« oder »dem Glück der Meisten«, nein! dem Glücke Englands am besten gedient wird; sie möchten mit allen Kräften sich beweisen, daß das Streben nach englischem Glück, ich meine nach comfort und fashion (und, an höchster Stelle, einem Sitz im Parlament) zugleich auch der rechte Pfad der Tugend sei, ja daß, so viel Tugend es bisher in der Welt gegeben hat, es eben in einem solchen Streben bestanden habe.

    Es ist eine bescheidene und gründlich mittelmäßige Art Mensch, diese utilitarischen Engländer, und, wie gesagt: insofern sie langweilig sind, kann man nicht hoch genug von ihrer Utilität denken.

    Die Römer waren ja die Starken und Vornehmen, wie sie stärker und vornehmer bisher auf Erden nie dagewesen, selbst niemals geträumt worden sind; jeder Überrest von ihnen, jede Inschrift entzückt, gesetzt, dass man erräth, was da schreibt. Die Juden umgekehrt waren jenes priesterliche Volk des Ressentiment par excellence, dem eine volksthümlich-moralische Genialität sonder Gleichen innewohnte: man vergleiche nur die verwandt-begabten Völker, etwa die Chinesen oder die Deutschen, mit den Juden, um nachzufühlen, was ersten und was fünften Ranges ist. Wer von ihnen einstweilen gesiegt hat, Rom oder Judäa? Aber es ist ja gar kein Zweifel: man erwäge doch, vor wem man sich heute in Rom selber als vor dem Inbegriff aller höchsten Werthe beugt – und nicht nur in Rom, sondern fast auf der halben Erde, überall wo nur der Mensch zahm geworden ist oder zahm werden will, – vor drei Juden, wie man weiss, und Einer Jüdin (vor Jesus von Nazareth, dem Fischer Petrus, dem Teppichwirker Paulus und der Mutter des anfangs genannten Jesus, genannt Maria). Dies ist sehr merkwürdig: Rom ist ohne allen Zweifel unterlegen.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Cont'd from Zur Genealogie der Moral.


    Deep within all these noble races is the beast of prey, the magnificent blond beast roaming lustfully for booty and victory; for this hidden reason it needs to be discharged from time to time, the animal has to get out again, has to go back into the wild: - Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings - in this need they are all the same . It is the noble races who have left the term "barbarian" in all the tracks where they have gone; Even their highest culture reveals an awareness of it and a pride in it (for example when Pericles says to his Athenians, in that famous funeral oration, "Our boldness has broken the way to all land and sea, imperishable monuments are everywhere in good spirits and uplifting the bad"). This "boldness" of noble races, mad, absurd, suddenly, as it expresses itself, the unpredictable, the improbable even of their undertakings
     
    I'm quoting this from an old libertarian's critique of Nietzsche's attack on Christian morality-- deeming it as amoral

    https://www.friesian.com/nietzsch.htm#note-1

    But I don't think he would have foresaw that 40 percent of Germans today pee sitting down.

    Auf dem Grunde aller dieser vornehmen Rassen ist das Raubthier, die prachtvolle nach Beute und Sieg lüstern schweifende blonde Bestie nicht zu verkennen; es bedarf für diesen verborgenen Grund von Zeit zu Zeit der Entladung, das Thier muss wieder heraus, muss wieder in die Wildniss zurück: – römischer, arabischer, germanischer, japanesischer Adel, homerische Helden, skandinavische Wikinger – in diesem Bedürfniss sind sie sich alle gleich. Die vornehmen Rassen sind es, welche den Begriff »Barbar« auf all den Spuren hinterlassen haben, wo sie gegangen sind; noch aus ihrer höchsten Cultur heraus verräth sich ein Bewusstsein davon und ein Stolz selbst darauf (zum Beispiel wenn Perikles seinen Athenern sagt, in jener berühmten Leichenrede, »zu allem Land und Meer hat unsre Kühnheit sich den Weg gebrochen, unvergängliche Denkmale sich überall im Guten und Schlimmen aufrichtend«). Diese »Kühnheit« vornehmer Rassen, toll, absurd, plötzlich, wie sie sich äussert, das Unberechenbare, das Unwahrscheinliche selbst ihrer Unternehmungen
     
  841. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Wokechoke

    Not disputing you, but from Beyond Good and Evil


    European noblesse -- of feeling, taste, mores, in short in every superior sense -- is the work and invention of France; European commoness, the plebeianism of modern ideas, belongs to England.
     

    These Englishmen: they are not a philosophical race. Bacon constitutes a downright attack on the philosophic spirit; Hobbes, Hume and Locke were a depreciation, a devaluation of the concept "philosopher" for more than a century. It was against Hume that Kant rose and elevated himself; it was Locke of whom Schelling had a right to say "je méprise Locke [I despise Locke]".
     

    In the end they all want to prove that English morality is right, insofar as humanity or the "general welfare" or the "happiness of the greatest number" -- nay, the happiness of England is best served by it. With all their powers they like to prove to themselves that the striving for English happiness -- by this I mean comfort and fashion (and, at the highest level, a seat in Parliament) -- is at the same time the proper path to virtue -- that indeed, whatever virtue there has been in the world, consisted of such striving.

    They are a modest and thoroughly mediocre kind, these Utilitarian Englishmen, and, as I said before, insofar as they are boring, one cannot think too highly of their utility.
     
    This from On Genealogy of Morals, seems to read that he consider Jews to be in ways, superior to Germans, Chinese, and the Romans, whom he regards as not just the noblest, but nobler than it is possible to be dreamt of

    The Romans were the strong and noble, stronger and nobler than they had ever been on earth, never dreamed of; every remnant of them, every inscription delightful, supposing one guesses what is written there. The Jews, on the other hand, were that priestly people of resentment par excellence, inhabited by a folksy-moral genius without equal: just compare the peoples with related talents, such as the Chinese or the Germans, with the Jews, in order to understand what is first and what is fifth range is. Which of them has conquered for the time being, Rome or Judea? But there is no doubt at all: just consider to whom one bows down today in Rome itself as the epitome of all highest values - and not only in Rome, but almost half over the world, wherever only man has become tame or wants to become tame – before three Jews, as we know, and one Jewess (before Jesus of Nazareth, the fisherman Peter, the carpet weaver Paul and the mother of the Jesus mentioned at the beginning, called Mary). This is very strange: Rome is without a doubt inferior.
     

    ...die europäische noblesse -- des Gefühls, des Geschmacks, der Sitte, kurz, das Wort in jedem hohen Sinne genommen -- ist Frankreich's Werk und Erfindung, die europäische Gemeinheit, der Plebejismus der modernen Ideen -- Englands. --
     

    Das ist keine philosophische Rasse -- diese Engländer; Bacon bedeutet einen Angriff auf den philosophischen Geist überhaupt, Hobbes, Hume und Locke eine Erniedrigung und Werth-Minderung des Begriffs »Philosoph« für mehr als ein Jahrhundert. Gegen Hume erhob und hob sich Kant; Locke war es, von dem Schelling sagen durfte: »je méprise Locke«;
     

    Zuletzt wollen sie Alle, daß die englische Moralität Recht bekomme: insofern gerade damit der Menschheit, oder dem »allgemeinen Nutzen« oder »dem Glück der Meisten«, nein! dem Glücke Englands am besten gedient wird; sie möchten mit allen Kräften sich beweisen, daß das Streben nach englischem Glück, ich meine nach comfort und fashion (und, an höchster Stelle, einem Sitz im Parlament) zugleich auch der rechte Pfad der Tugend sei, ja daß, so viel Tugend es bisher in der Welt gegeben hat, es eben in einem solchen Streben bestanden habe.

    Es ist eine bescheidene und gründlich mittelmäßige Art Mensch, diese utilitarischen Engländer, und, wie gesagt: insofern sie langweilig sind, kann man nicht hoch genug von ihrer Utilität denken.
     

    Die Römer waren ja die Starken und Vornehmen, wie sie stärker und vornehmer bisher auf Erden nie dagewesen, selbst niemals geträumt worden sind; jeder Überrest von ihnen, jede Inschrift entzückt, gesetzt, dass man erräth, was da schreibt. Die Juden umgekehrt waren jenes priesterliche Volk des Ressentiment par excellence, dem eine volksthümlich-moralische Genialität sonder Gleichen innewohnte: man vergleiche nur die verwandt-begabten Völker, etwa die Chinesen oder die Deutschen, mit den Juden, um nachzufühlen, was ersten und was fünften Ranges ist. Wer von ihnen einstweilen gesiegt hat, Rom oder Judäa? Aber es ist ja gar kein Zweifel: man erwäge doch, vor wem man sich heute in Rom selber als vor dem Inbegriff aller höchsten Werthe beugt – und nicht nur in Rom, sondern fast auf der halben Erde, überall wo nur der Mensch zahm geworden ist oder zahm werden will, – vor drei Juden, wie man weiss, und Einer Jüdin (vor Jesus von Nazareth, dem Fischer Petrus, dem Teppichwirker Paulus und der Mutter des anfangs genannten Jesus, genannt Maria). Dies ist sehr merkwürdig: Rom ist ohne allen Zweifel unterlegen.
     

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Cont’d from Zur Genealogie der Moral.

    Deep within all these noble races is the beast of prey, the magnificent blond beast roaming lustfully for booty and victory; for this hidden reason it needs to be discharged from time to time, the animal has to get out again, has to go back into the wild: – Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings – in this need they are all the same . It is the noble races who have left the term “barbarian” in all the tracks where they have gone; Even their highest culture reveals an awareness of it and a pride in it (for example when Pericles says to his Athenians, in that famous funeral oration, “Our boldness has broken the way to all land and sea, imperishable monuments are everywhere in good spirits and uplifting the bad”). This “boldness” of noble races, mad, absurd, suddenly, as it expresses itself, the unpredictable, the improbable even of their undertakings

    I’m quoting this from an old libertarian’s critique of Nietzsche’s attack on Christian morality– deeming it as amoral

    https://www.friesian.com/nietzsch.htm#note-1

    But I don’t think he would have foresaw that 40 percent of Germans today pee sitting down.

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    Auf dem Grunde aller dieser vornehmen Rassen ist das Raubthier, die prachtvolle nach Beute und Sieg lüstern schweifende blonde Bestie nicht zu verkennen; es bedarf für diesen verborgenen Grund von Zeit zu Zeit der Entladung, das Thier muss wieder heraus, muss wieder in die Wildniss zurück: – römischer, arabischer, germanischer, japanesischer Adel, homerische Helden, skandinavische Wikinger – in diesem Bedürfniss sind sie sich alle gleich. Die vornehmen Rassen sind es, welche den Begriff »Barbar« auf all den Spuren hinterlassen haben, wo sie gegangen sind; noch aus ihrer höchsten Cultur heraus verräth sich ein Bewusstsein davon und ein Stolz selbst darauf (zum Beispiel wenn Perikles seinen Athenern sagt, in jener berühmten Leichenrede, »zu allem Land und Meer hat unsre Kühnheit sich den Weg gebrochen, unvergängliche Denkmale sich überall im Guten und Schlimmen aufrichtend«). Diese »Kühnheit« vornehmer Rassen, toll, absurd, plötzlich, wie sie sich äussert, das Unberechenbare, das Unwahrscheinliche selbst ihrer Unternehmungen

  842. LatW says:

    But I don’t think he would have foresaw that 40 percent of Germans today pee sitting down.

    Yet he did speak of “The Last Man” – a European that has abandoned his strivings, who values comfort and comformity too much. I wouldn’t agree that Europeans today can be characterized as such, however, he did believe that he was diagnosing something that would be visible later (he kept saying that he has arrived 300 years early, meaning his philosophy is untimely and what he speaks of had not yet come to pass in the 19th century – although it is obvious that it was already felt then).

    “For this is how things are: the diminution and leveling of European man constitutes our greatest danger, for the sight of him makes us weary. — We can see nothing today that wants to grow greater, we suspect that things will continue to go down, down, to become thinner, more good-natured, more prudent, more comfortable, more mediocre, more indifferent, more Chinese, more Christian — there is no doubt that man is getting ‘better’ all the time.”

    (Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    A Nietzsche debate might be a fine diversion.

    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. His father died when F. was very young and he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him. It is a rare fellow that manages to overcome that completely and he deserves an "A" for effort. Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.

    Replies: @LatW

  843. @LatW

    But I don’t think he would have foresaw that 40 percent of Germans today pee sitting down.
     
    Yet he did speak of "The Last Man" - a European that has abandoned his strivings, who values comfort and comformity too much. I wouldn't agree that Europeans today can be characterized as such, however, he did believe that he was diagnosing something that would be visible later (he kept saying that he has arrived 300 years early, meaning his philosophy is untimely and what he speaks of had not yet come to pass in the 19th century - although it is obvious that it was already felt then).

    “For this is how things are: the diminution and leveling of European man constitutes our greatest danger, for the sight of him makes us weary. — We can see nothing today that wants to grow greater, we suspect that things will continue to go down, down, to become thinner, more good-natured, more prudent, more comfortable, more mediocre, more indifferent, more Chinese, more Christian — there is no doubt that man is getting ‘better’ all the time.”

    (Friedrich Nietzsche, On the Genealogy of Morals)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    A Nietzsche debate might be a fine diversion.

    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. His father died when F. was very young and he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him. It is a rare fellow that manages to overcome that completely and he deserves an “A” for effort. Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. [..] he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him
     
    Of course, it is sad that his father died (as well as his younger brother), his father was a pastor and maybe if he were around, he would not have become so anti-Christian? Who knows why he was so intense, I wouldn't blame it all on the women, he just had an intense personality combined with a sensitive soul (poets have that sometimes and he also wrote music). But, yea, he didn't do well with Lou Salome either, she must've have liked his more mellow and more "normal" friend better. It is hard to live with such an intense personality even if it is exciting and gratifying. It is too consuming. So this must have left him completely alone and he had to heal that through his writing and his praise of the loneliness of the strong ones.


    Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.
     
    What do you mean? You think this was evident already in Ecce Homo? He does recognize his illness in that book openly, btw (but I think just physical illness). He mentions going to a sanatorium in Italy quite early on.

    Remember that he had also been to war at a relatively young age, he must have seen true horrors. Sending a sensitive, humanities type of person to war... too cruel.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  844. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnE9aW7_okc

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    Spring Breakers Crimea

  845. LatW says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    A Nietzsche debate might be a fine diversion.

    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. His father died when F. was very young and he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him. It is a rare fellow that manages to overcome that completely and he deserves an "A" for effort. Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.

    Replies: @LatW

    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. [..] he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him

    Of course, it is sad that his father died (as well as his younger brother), his father was a pastor and maybe if he were around, he would not have become so anti-Christian? Who knows why he was so intense, I wouldn’t blame it all on the women, he just had an intense personality combined with a sensitive soul (poets have that sometimes and he also wrote music). But, yea, he didn’t do well with Lou Salome either, she must’ve have liked his more mellow and more “normal” friend better. It is hard to live with such an intense personality even if it is exciting and gratifying. It is too consuming. So this must have left him completely alone and he had to heal that through his writing and his praise of the loneliness of the strong ones.

    Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.

    What do you mean? You think this was evident already in Ecce Homo? He does recognize his illness in that book openly, btw (but I think just physical illness). He mentions going to a sanatorium in Italy quite early on.

    Remember that he had also been to war at a relatively young age, he must have seen true horrors. Sending a sensitive, humanities type of person to war… too cruel.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    You think this was evident already in Ecce Homo?
     
    Yes. This is a judgment call and everybody has different criteria they use judging crazy.

    Game.

    If Nietzsche was born in 1946 he would have been _________________________


    If Nietzsche was born in 1966 he would have been _________________________


    If Nietzsche was born in 1986 he would have been _________________________

    Answers: Terrance McKenna, Jordan Peterson, a nondescript tranny. Becoming a half of a Plato is an uber accomplishment.
  846. @AP
    @Mikel


    Alright. AP has it all figured out so there’s no need to worry anymore. Let’s declare a NFZ around Ukraine tomorrow and start shooting Russian planes out of the sky.
     
    Did America use nukes when Russian pilots were shooting Americans out of the sky in Korea and (probably) Vietnam?

    Let’s help Ukraine retake Crimea, launch attacks against Moscow and foment a revolution inside Russia

     

    None of these would cause Russia to use nukes.

    If the Trump collusion claims were true, would America use nukes in retaliation?

    This idea that nobody will ever use nukes because they are too horrible is quite insane, actually. It’s like saying in the 30s that nobody will try to exterminate the Jews because that’s too horrific
     
    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?

    Hitler and his top team might have used one. Goebbels poisoned his six children so they would not grow up in a world without National Socialism. Someone like that might have done so.

    ISIS might have done so too, if they got control of Russia's nuclear arsenal. Taliban would not have, they are more rational, though I wouldn't want to take my chances.

    Russia? Speaking of Russophobia.

    Putin will never invade Ukraine because he’s not so irrational.
     
    Because stupidly invading Ukraine because one got bad intelligence and falsely assuming it would be a cakewalk is even remotely comparable to starting a nuclear holocaust ending the existence of one's own nation.

    You are the one who sounds unhinged here.

    By the same token, when he said that he’s not willing to let the next war be fought on Russian soil and that a world without Russia is not worth living in
     
    Putin declared Kherson (including the parts that Russia had not yet captured) to be Russian soil. So in order to be "safe", you would demand Ukraine to withdraw from the rest of the territory and put up no resistance to further incursions? What are the limits to your appeasement, when a nuclear threat is made?

    In reality, neither the loss of Crimea nor even Belgorod or Kalinigrad, or ffs a no fly zone over Ukrainian territory, would mean a "world without Russia."

    But sure, I oppose a massive land invasion of Russia for the purpose of erasing it from the Earth. That would indeed likely trigger a nuclear response.

    :::::::::::::

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants, with no consequences other than perhaps economic ones (but what if Putin said that sanctions are killing Russian people and deserve a nuclear response? Would you oppose sanctions in that case too, because why take a risk?) or perhaps that this nuclear power has the right to determine what countermeasures are acceptable or not.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @QCIC, @Wokechoke

    Goebbels didnt want his children gang raped by the onrushing allies.

  847. @S
    @Wokechoke


    Anyway one Englishman was often fighting ten Frenchmen. Hence one Englishman is worth ten French. It was a fact in combat.
     
    This reminds me how the Germans, to determine how best they could help their beleaguered Italian allies in Libya in their struggle with Britain, had sent a staff officer from Berlin to fly there and personally gage the situation.

    Weeks later he reported back that the crux of the problem for the Italians was that one British soldier was worth twelve of the Italian infantry.

    The German higher ups couldn't believe the situation in North Africa could possibly be that dire for the Italians, yet this is what the officer reported.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The formulation in history was that the English could easy be fighting French armies 10x the size of anything the English could field. By the time of Napoleon it was 3 to 1

    • Thanks: S
  848. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    However, how will you explain India.
     
    I've written a post before India. The problem in its essence: India is a bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1, and that is why it is a sh*thole, albeit one that can produce some modicum of elite science and technology. There is room for improvement in India if some institutional and cultural changes are effected, but India's developmental level is capped in relation to China, because there are too many Sher Singhs for the Tatas to carry on their shoulders.

    As for your dismissal of IQ tests as mere puzzles, well I will just leave you some links demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft2.htm

    But my guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor will change your mind, since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Dmitry

    post before India.

    Something about why India has less Nobel prize winners than United Kingdom, although it has also more Nobel prize winners than China.

    Great Britain is a first world country, with scientific history, funding for universities etc. India is a third world countries, without funding for science etc.

    There is quite a difference of the confounders, like the difference an ancient mud village and a laboratory of Oxford/

    bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1,

    This is a way to say, in third world countries, most of the people are still peasants.

    Of course, there are more peasants in the third world country.

    When the country industrializes, the peasants move to the city, become urban proletariat, some part join the middle class, higher proportion go to university etc as the historical process of the Soviet Union century in the past, China in last thirty years.

    Perhaps for India, this will be 2050s or sometimes.

    guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor

    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it’s like someone telling about ” statistical evidence or rigor” of astrology, when the problem is not the interpretation of results of astrology, but the concepts are mystical and don’t have lawlike relation to what they want to explain.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    I can read a few paragraphs, of this writing, which seems to have some statistical illiteracy and also a kind of gullible text, “GDP is positively correlated to average IQ”.

    For example, it’s possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.

    I won’t waste more time in this discussion, but wasn’t the data they are discussing not just concepts, also faked?
    https://psyarxiv.com/26vfb/

    since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.

    I guess, a pre-defense of believers of astrology, chiropody etc, when you talk to them.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it’s like someone telling about ” statistical evidence or rigor” of astrology,
     
    https://youtu.be/lev8dGnxvdw

    For example, it’s possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.
     
    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

  849. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    But as you know, the division in the postsoviet space are very recent and still didn’t stabilize in terms of culture, or some of the political leaders’ desires, and even tens of millions of people supported when the border was moved around Crimea.
     
    I understand what you're trying to say, but it looks like it should've been handled with more caution and foresight, because now it can go in either direction.

    the concept authorities controlled by Moscow couldn’t go in Ukraine, would be a kind of bad dream, like saying the US army cannot go to Texas.
     
    Yea, but before 2014, when you crossed borders, the intent was not hostile, whereas now they openly announced hostile intentions. And carried those out to a large extent. So that old reality has changed, sadly.

    It’s rapidly different for people born after the collapse of the Soviet Union
     
    You think they feel different? I'm sure they all have different outlooks, but it seems they have fewer hangups.

    Also the attitude of authorities in topics like border security, is still reflecting this culture, when you have no border security even when there is a opium epidemic causing HIV epidemic from the open borders to the opium growing regions.
     
    I agree with this, it is slow to change these kinds of perceptions. Unfortunately, it was the same for Ukraine in 2014, when they started suppressing the separatists, they initially tried to old way, I recently rewatched a series about those events and there was footage of a few Ukrainian tanks with very young soldiers who were sent to calm down the rebellion and were totally clueless and didn't know what to do. The local population told them to get out, they left and then the armed forces came back with their missile campaign (which turned out too brutal).

    I know this MO well, because when I saw those soldiers in the tank, this reminded me of something I saw some time around 1991 - a Soviet Russian tank that rode through my town, it was very quiet, and the tank just drove past me, the soldier in it must have been like barely 20 years old (but of course he seemed like an adult to me back then), he looked at me very briefly and then rode past. But this was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to "separatism" or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do the same thing. It should have been a different approach probably (neither complacency nor missiles, but something in between maybe). It is a kind of a complacency, same with Belgorod and Graivoron it seems. So you're right. They didn't even have territorial units because they never thought somebody would show up there.

    Most of the Ukrainian military equipment, maybe not this year, is still from the Soviet army. Ukraine is heiress of the Soviet Union and Russian empire, like Russia.

     

    Well, they had a ton of Soviet equipment, of course, but they had some of their own as well, that they had recently built. They're very technically savvy. But you're right, I was shocked when I saw how many of the old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn't have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center.

    But in the longer term which includes the Soviet and Russian empire history, you know these fightings have also aspects similar to conflicts like in Columbia, where the government can just not extend security over areas of land.
     
    Well, it's a large territory, that's why you need a militia on the local level or territorial defense units. But we know that they don't really want the Russian people to be independently armed. I think what Denis did with this second bigger raid is basically demonstrate that the social contract is no longer valid - when they announced the "SMO", the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going "according to the plan". They would have protection, but now it turns out it's not the case. So someone should guarantee their security (not sure Denis is capable of it right now, it is very risky and requires more resources). So if the Russian side does decide to do something about this raiding (which will no doubt continue) on the border regions, they will have to allocated resources to that and this could make them compromise their forces during the Ukrainian offensive.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry

    think they feel different? I’m sure they all have different outlooks

    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries. Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.

    For any older generation, the new countries are often merging a lot more in peoples’ views, as changes or new countries happening in your life seem a lot more artificial, than changes happening before you are born.

    was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to “separatism” or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do

    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.

    Grozny, December 1994 the moved tanks in the centre of the city as a kind of demonstration, before many were destroyed in the night by anti-tank weapons.

    old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn’t have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center

    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.

    social contract is no longer valid – when they announced the “SMO”, the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going “according to the plan”

    I feel there is misunderstanding there is social contract in Russia. Also an idea people would be shocked about some fighting in Russia. It’s not Western Europe or America where people have those kind of high expectations.

    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.

    Yet, if I remember around 1000 Russian citizens were dying each year, from the internal war in Russia each year even in Medvedev years, if you include both sides and civilians.

    Of course, the situation with Ukraine is going to be a serious problem for the internal security. Although a lot of this aspect, can be also questionable. For example, when every few months there is supposedly a defeated terrorist attack in Russia, by Ukrainian radicals etc. https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/27460/4714614/ It’s not always clear which are real or not.

    Sigh… well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can.

    You know the traditional joke. “We want to destroy America and get a Green Card”.

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries.
     
    But they are quite different, even if they are similar as well. They essentially have the same language. But the temperament is different, and partly the ethnic composition.

    Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.
     
    :)

    Well, I'm sure we'd notice the same things about BL and UA, they are sort of objective. I never considered them "one" country, anything that I would consider "one" is only from common ethnic heritage aspect (not because of the SU which was a recent and rather short lived country in fact).


    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.
     
    Well, you still have to be very careful with this kind of a thing, an occupying force in a foreign country is not at home, but the locals are at home. Whereas your home city, such as Belgorod, should be fortified with territorial defense, especially if you're fighting a war next door. And they are admitting this on the propaganda channels - post factum, one of the propagandist said there needs to be a new cossack regimen stationed there, it just confirms what I said about their attitude. They live in their heads, not in reality. And then talk on the tv about how things "should be". There's nothing easier than that.

    Btw, because relations are good with, let's say, Kaliningrad, there is no need for more troops there. Pskov can stay completely unarmed and nothing will happen there. It is safe. The border with NATO is safe. Where there is no NATO, it is not safe - isn't that ironic?


    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.
     
    This is correct, but remember also that 30 years is a long time in a person's life (and even in the life of institutions). So a lot can change, especially for those who are barely 50. In the case of Ukraine's military today, it is exactly this middle generation that is leading the operations, they have knowledge from both the Soviet era and their more recent education that they received during the free years. And those older are using the Soviet education in rather skillful ways to defend themselves. And then there are the young ones, under 40, who are raised already differently and many of who have decent training.

    But you do have a point re: Afghanistan, etc. In our military there is one high ranking commander who actually graduated from the aviation institute in Kharkov. They reviewed the dudes who had been in high posts in the Soviet military and they kept some of them.

    And this was similar in the previous times as well, some of the White soldiers and officers who fought for the Empire in WW1 and the Civil War, later went into the militaries that followed them (interesting, on both sides, both anti-Bolshevik such as ROA and some in fact joined the Soviet army, afaik).

    And yes, they shouldn't all be fighting each other, this is awful (even if it's always been that way in history).


    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.
     
    I actually brought this up a few years ago on this forum, because those skirmishes were quite bad, with quite a few Dags dying as well as some Russian soldiers. But this is all in the Caucasus, away from the Slavic population (except the soldiers and their families).

    You know the traditional joke. “We want to destroy America and get a Green Card”.
     
    This is something I cannot relate to at all. I don't get the propaganda side, if you're going to live in the West, why trash the West? I understand that for Solovyov it's how he makes his money, it's just I could never stoop that low. And the people do know, and yet they do not say anything.

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.
     
    It's not great and doesn't look good at all, but it's not as bad as deliberately having anchor babies in the US (while still being married to your first wife?), and then attacking the coach of the national basketball team. This is totally unacceptable behavior. This person is laughing in the face of the real Russians (in fact, he's lying to the Russian people and making money that way). I wouldn't tolerate it. The Russian freedom fighters won't either.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  850. Many people that were mobilized in October 2022, people that didn’t escape across the borders, died in Bakhmut.

    In Irbit, which is not such a very big city, there was a kind mass funeral for 4 mobilized who were killed in Bakhmut last week.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    In Irbit, which is not such a very big city, there was a kind mass funeral for 4 mobilized who were killed in Bakhmut last week.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-UppmG-vmE
  851. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    History is just a well polished mythology coupled to unprincipled propaganda. The past is another land, and when we visit it, we are just tourists lead around by tourist guides who are called historians. They show us some tourist attractions, but usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    usually avoid the dirty parts of the town.

    It’s because the rates of the information transmission to the future is changing in the different epoch.

    As recently as Russian empire times, 90% of people were illiterate. The information transmission to the future from Russian empire times, is mainly shiny information transmitted from a minority of the most wealthy people to the future.

    Especially, for non-historians, the information of the 19th century we receive, is usually only from some elites’ entertainment culture, like a few novels, palaces and some music they played only in concert halls in larger cities with mostly educated audience.

    Peoples’ view of that time, is a lot from the top 0,1% of the population of the epoch. It’s like viewing America today, if only people like Obama’s daughters were allowed to post on YouTube. YouTube would be somethings like romance stories about ice-skating in Central Park.

    When the information transmission is from wider circles, then the overall view becomes less rosy. This is a feature of the 21st century. There is view of decline in our time, as the circle of the transmitters is wider after the internet, it could be not reflecting a real decline or not.

  852. @Dmitry
    Many people that were mobilized in October 2022, people that didn't escape across the borders, died in Bakhmut.

    In Irbit, which is not such a very big city, there was a kind mass funeral for 4 mobilized who were killed in Bakhmut last week.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcZJrDLWD4Q

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In Irbit, which is not such a very big city, there was a kind mass funeral for 4 mobilized who were killed in Bakhmut last week.

  853. S says:

    As if on cue, immediately after the Stalingrad like battle of Bakhmut, and in the midst of the new Ukrainian counter-offensive, the Wagner chief Prigozhin is now calling upon the Rusfed to commit to ‘total war’ in Ukraine, and to ‘prepare for hundreds of thousands’ of new Russian casualties, or risk ‘losing Russia’.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/24/world/europe/wagner-group-prigozhin-russia.html

    This recalls Goebbels’ paralleling ‘Total War’ speech within weeks of the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad and in the midst of new Soviet counter-offensives, which he gave at the Berlin Sport’s Palace on Feb 18, 1943, in which he called for Germany and Germans to commit to ‘Total War’, or risk losing Germany.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

    This stuff is carefully scripted.

    To be filed under Prigozhin is ‘literally a new Hitler’ 2.0:

    The Wagner group forecasts disaster if Russia does not move into total war footing.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin has been ramping up pressure on Russia’s military leadership and extending his criticism to the country’s moneyed elites.

    As Russia vowed to respond “extremely harshly” to a rare, two-day border incursion by pro-Ukrainian fighters, the leader of Russia’s largest mercenary force warned that it faced further setbacks unless its ruling elite took drastic, and likely unpopular, measures to win the war….

    ..“The most likely scenario for us in a special operation would not be a good one,” Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the founder of the Wagner mercenary group, said in a profanity-laced interview with a pro-Kremlin political observer published late Tuesday on the Telegram messaging platform. “We are in such a condition that we could lose Russia,” he continued, his speech laced with profanity. “We have to prepare for a very hard war that will result in hundreds of thousands of casualties.”…

    …In the interview, Mr. Prigozhin called for total war — something Mr. Putin has carefully avoided, seeking to reassure his people that their lives will not be disrupted by the “special military operation” in Ukraine. That position has grown harder to maintain as the war drags on and Russian losses mount.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @S


    “We have to prepare for a very hard war that will result in hundreds of thousands of casualties.”…
     
    https://mediacloud.theweek.com/image/private/s--APki9McK--/f_auto,t_single-media-image-desktop@1/v1608410531/123016MichaelRamirez_Creators.jpg

    Are all of the various stripes of kremlin stooges here ready to follow their fuhrer into Russia's glorious future? Professor Tennessee, Beckow, Averko, kremlonstoogeA123? Nah, I didn't think so, you're all too busy living your comfortable Western lifestyles.

  854. @S
    As if on cue, immediately after the Stalingrad like battle of Bakhmut, and in the midst of the new Ukrainian counter-offensive, the Wagner chief Prigozhin is now calling upon the Rusfed to commit to 'total war' in Ukraine, and to 'prepare for hundreds of thousands' of new Russian casualties, or risk 'losing Russia'.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/24/world/europe/wagner-group-prigozhin-russia.html

    This recalls Goebbels' paralleling 'Total War' speech within weeks of the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad and in the midst of new Soviet counter-offensives, which he gave at the Berlin Sport's Palace on Feb 18, 1943, in which he called for Germany and Germans to commit to 'Total War', or risk losing Germany.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

    This stuff is carefully scripted.

    To be filed under Prigozhin is 'literally a new Hitler' 2.0:


    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-J05235%2C_Berlin%2C_Großkundgebung_im_Sportpalast.jpg/660px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-J05235%2C_Berlin%2C_Großkundgebung_im_Sportpalast.jpg

    The Wagner group forecasts disaster if Russia does not move into total war footing.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin has been ramping up pressure on Russia’s military leadership and extending his criticism to the country’s moneyed elites.

    As Russia vowed to respond “extremely harshly” to a rare, two-day border incursion by pro-Ukrainian fighters, the leader of Russia’s largest mercenary force warned that it faced further setbacks unless its ruling elite took drastic, and likely unpopular, measures to win the war....

    ..“The most likely scenario for us in a special operation would not be a good one,” Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, the founder of the Wagner mercenary group, said in a profanity-laced interview with a pro-Kremlin political observer published late Tuesday on the Telegram messaging platform. “We are in such a condition that we could lose Russia,” he continued, his speech laced with profanity. “We have to prepare for a very hard war that will result in hundreds of thousands of casualties.”...

    ...In the interview, Mr. Prigozhin called for total war — something Mr. Putin has carefully avoided, seeking to reassure his people that their lives will not be disrupted by the “special military operation” in Ukraine. That position has grown harder to maintain as the war drags on and Russian losses mount.
     

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “We have to prepare for a very hard war that will result in hundreds of thousands of casualties.”…


    Are all of the various stripes of kremlin stooges here ready to follow their fuhrer into Russia’s glorious future? Professor Tennessee, Beckow, Averko, kremlonstoogeA123? Nah, I didn’t think so, you’re all too busy living your comfortable Western lifestyles.

  855. There should be a jail OT for people who destabilize this OT.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Why? You trying to help Prigozhin fulfill his quotas for a new recruitment?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/15/09/62433425-11214765-image-a-1_1663230338200.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    What you want is a spreadsheet with username and number of twitter links posted. Twitter has surveillance scripts which execute and chew up large resources. No doubt other companies do these shenanigans but theirs is the worst by far which is why the administrator requests using the [more] tag.

    See the Tragedy of the Commons from your freshman economics textbook. : )

    https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/tragedy-of-the-commons-impact-on-sustainability-issues

    Twitter is a virtually useless software. Mainly it is useful for gossip, ghoulishness, and schadenfreude. Antisocial media. The only people I have ever heard of who need it are professional journalists. It is a dying profession but there are a few left covering sports. If you are Ian Rapoport and your income depends on scooping Adam Shefter you have to have twitter. 99.99999% of the rest of us should dump it.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird


    https://twitter.com/madh_enjoyer/status/1660998450589073408

    https://twitter.com/Jang_e_Khalsa/status/1659720293269512192?s=20

  856. Freedom is the MacGuffin of the US.

    Or maybe was. Nowadays, might be diversity, gays, or trannies.

  857. @songbird
    There should be a jail OT for people who destabilize this OT.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    Why? You trying to help Prigozhin fulfill his quotas for a new recruitment?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Prison military corps is not really my style.

    A few weeks ago, I did, on a whim, read an old book of peasant songs. Some of them were quite picturesque, evocative, or even poetic.

    And that got me thinking about how many people from the pop charts we would need to exile to make mosern music more tolerable. Surely, in the worst case scenario, it would be <1000.

    A price well worth it, don't you think?

  858. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane). This probably occurred because the S-300 launchers were emplaced close to apartments and were apparently set up incorrectly as well since the missile struck a building. This didn't get much coverage since there was a lot going on at the time. Something similar happened this year, I think this involved a Kh-22 missile in Dnipro.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    You may have noticed that political leaders say all sorts of things which may or may not be consistent or to your liking. That is why humans came up with this neat concept, sometimes called a treaty or an agreement, which is a more formal and hopefully binding statement of what is really going on. You may have heard of these: ABM Treaty, Minsk II agreement, etc.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane).

    So you are suggesting that the Ukrainians hit their own population center?

    Ok provide some evidence of what we all know is total bullshit. Show us the work of your fact checking.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    What was the target?

    Why don’t you explain the target here:

    Putin launches drone and missile attacks on Kiev every single week. The battle is in Bakhmut. What he is doing is a war crime.

    You’re an embarrassment to other Putin defenders. You are better off not replying.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO. Often these assets seem to reside in civilian areas, which is a clear sign that NATO does not give a rat's ass about Ukrainian lives. Russia has been striking these targets all across Ukraine for over a year.

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    If you look at non-Western news sites you will see that Russia has recently been completing missile strikes across the country on a regular basis.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  859. @songbird
    There should be a jail OT for people who destabilize this OT.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    What you want is a spreadsheet with username and number of twitter links posted. Twitter has surveillance scripts which execute and chew up large resources. No doubt other companies do these shenanigans but theirs is the worst by far which is why the administrator requests using the [more] tag.

    See the Tragedy of the Commons from your freshman economics textbook. : )

    https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/tragedy-of-the-commons-impact-on-sustainability-issues

    Twitter is a virtually useless software. Mainly it is useful for gossip, ghoulishness, and schadenfreude. Antisocial media. The only people I have ever heard of who need it are professional journalists. It is a dying profession but there are a few left covering sports. If you are Ian Rapoport and your income depends on scooping Adam Shefter you have to have twitter. 99.99999% of the rest of us should dump it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    What you want is a spreadsheet
     
    No need to duplicate someone else's work. Must be a few NGO people here, who could supply the necessary info.

    Antisocial media
     
    Some of the memes and characters from racist Twitter were brilliantly satirical and unique. Unfortunately, it did not last long.

    Not too sure it has much other value, except maybe in exposing the biases in mainstream journos, etc.
  860. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The poor guy had a deeply warped psychology. [..] he spent his entire youth in a house full of women who reminded him all day every day that there was something deeply wrong with him
     
    Of course, it is sad that his father died (as well as his younger brother), his father was a pastor and maybe if he were around, he would not have become so anti-Christian? Who knows why he was so intense, I wouldn't blame it all on the women, he just had an intense personality combined with a sensitive soul (poets have that sometimes and he also wrote music). But, yea, he didn't do well with Lou Salome either, she must've have liked his more mellow and more "normal" friend better. It is hard to live with such an intense personality even if it is exciting and gratifying. It is too consuming. So this must have left him completely alone and he had to heal that through his writing and his praise of the loneliness of the strong ones.


    Also: he went completely bugnuts about three books before the end which few seem to notice. I attribute this to people not reading him very close.
     
    What do you mean? You think this was evident already in Ecce Homo? He does recognize his illness in that book openly, btw (but I think just physical illness). He mentions going to a sanatorium in Italy quite early on.

    Remember that he had also been to war at a relatively young age, he must have seen true horrors. Sending a sensitive, humanities type of person to war... too cruel.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You think this was evident already in Ecce Homo?

    Yes. This is a judgment call and everybody has different criteria they use judging crazy.

    Game.

    If Nietzsche was born in 1946 he would have been _________________________

    If Nietzsche was born in 1966 he would have been _________________________

    If Nietzsche was born in 1986 he would have been _________________________

    Answers: Terrance McKenna, Jordan Peterson, a nondescript tranny. Becoming a half of a Plato is an uber accomplishment.

    • LOL: Yahya
  861. @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    post before India.
     
    Something about why India has less Nobel prize winners than United Kingdom, although it has also more Nobel prize winners than China.

    Great Britain is a first world country, with scientific history, funding for universities etc. India is a third world countries, without funding for science etc.

    There is quite a difference of the confounders, like the difference an ancient mud village and a laboratory of Oxford/


    bifurcated nation of Gypsies and Jews. The former outnumber the latter 100 to 1,
     
    This is a way to say, in third world countries, most of the people are still peasants.

    Of course, there are more peasants in the third world country.

    When the country industrializes, the peasants move to the city, become urban proletariat, some part join the middle class, higher proportion go to university etc as the historical process of the Soviet Union century in the past, China in last thirty years.

    Perhaps for India, this will be 2050s or sometimes.


    guess is that no amount of statistical evidence or rigor
     
    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it's like someone telling about " statistical evidence or rigor" of astrology, when the problem is not the interpretation of results of astrology, but the concepts are mystical and don't have lawlike relation to what they want to explain.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm
     
    I can read a few paragraphs, of this writing, which seems to have some statistical illiteracy and also a kind of gullible text, "GDP is positively correlated to average IQ".

    For example, it's possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.

    I won't waste more time in this discussion, but wasn't the data they are discussing not just concepts, also faked?
    https://psyarxiv.com/26vfb/


    since your non-acceptance stems from emotion not reason.
     
    I guess, a pre-defense of believers of astrology, chiropody etc, when you talk to them.

    Replies: @Yahya

    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it’s like someone telling about ” statistical evidence or rigor” of astrology,

    For example, it’s possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.

    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.
     
    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    Asians score higher than whites in the US
     
    In your view, why would Asians having average high test scores in the US, support the divergent economic development where Asia is many times more poor than Europe for most of the modern history, or difference of Nobel Prize per capita e.g. Switzerland vs. China. Switzerland winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 300,000 citizens. China winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 155 million citizens. Also how would it hindcast in the 18th, 19th, 20th century.

    Comparing people in the same school, will have more valid results, than between different cultures, as you remove some more of the confounders, like the different cultural understanding of the test. But it's not explained what you are testing, i.e. the literacy, conformity.

    You are adding connection of this theme to the topic of economic development, when you seemed to say Egypt cannot develop without "genetic engineering", or India has high levels of peasants because of genetic issues although this ratio will change every year as they industrialize, which you are also connecting the genetic components to the puzzle test scores.


    Do they value education more in the first place? If so, why? If it’s theological in basis

     

    It's possible or likely there will be hereditary aspects of peoples' personality, which is making them more suitable for academic jobs, or another kind of jobs which are useful in the modern economy. It's also likely this proportion can vary in groups if there is some kinds of selection.

    For example, as every manager would learn, good engineering, depends on specific personality type. This can be significantly culture, but there are also in every group people who are born more suitable for engineering, than other people. You know, people who literary writers who live in dream world, use their imagination since childhood, could likely be very dangerous to work as engineers.

    Across different groups, there could be different distributions of genes for these different personalities. In complex system, there can also be selection for different personalities, in different historical epochs or environments, that changes the proportion of the genes in a group.

    But this discussion becomes more unclear, when wild claims about complex systems like national development, people are introduced who would probably explain the reason India and China are not good in football, as result of some genetic variable you would "mystically" test by asking people some unrelated puzzle test like how long they can balance a football on their foot.

    Btw, Egypt doesn't need to wait for magic carpets before having a path for development. They would just need to join the EU. Before German Reader begins to have nightmares, I'm not saying EU has to accept Egypt. But, in theory, if Egypt joins the EU, follows the management advice for internal reform, would have a path for development without "genetic engineering".

    I think we would see even Ukraine, has a path for development in the 2030s, if they join the EU.

    Replies: @Yahya

  862. @songbird
    There should be a jail OT for people who destabilize this OT.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    [MORE]

  863. @AnonfromTN
    @Yahya


    demonstrating their statistical validity and reliability in predicting developmental outcomes.
     
    Word of caution from scientific viewpoint. By definition, statistics deals with groups of objects (humans in this case), not individual ones. By definition, statistics gives you a probability, not a certainty. The correlation you put your faith in tells you what’s likely to be, not what will be. The average IQ score in a group is a valid predictor (with the probability you calculate, which is never 100%), whereas an IQ score of an individual is not. That’s what statistical results actually tell you, unless you are a true believer. In the latter case evidence does not matter, Flying Spaghetti Monster is as good as Jesus or Vishnu.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Jazman

    everything you said about Corona and vaccine was correct

  864. WTF is up with Farmington New Mexico, first there was the double homicide at the scrap yard, then the cops shot dead their co-worker at the wrong address, then one or two mass shooting (revenge attack !?) there the next month. One being confirmed the second being a phantom event that may or may not officially happened.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beyond the pale and fedup

    This may be related to the project of gun psyops being executed on an almost daily basis to enable gun confiscation in the USA.

  865. Very insightful comment by Strelkov, as usual (Google Translate):

    If the impotent does not work out, then this is not a reason to cancel sexual relations as impossible.

    And he finishes his analysis of the lack of envelopment movements and destruction of infrastructure with these words:

    Bakhmut is a Pyrrhic victory. Without changing the war from a stupid position to a smart, air-ground one, the Russian Federation will be defeated

    Considering the success of his predictions so far (including incursions into Southern Russia as part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive maneuvers), an opinion to keep in mind.

    https://t.me/s/igorstrelkov

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    The main question related to Bakhmut is the ratio of Ukrainian KIA to Russian KIA. It seems no one has a fully defensible source for this information.

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    The Girkin predictions were very inaccurate. Remember at the beginning of the war, we posted the interview in the forum, where he said Ukraine's army would be easily destroyed in a few days, with "precision weapons" etc.

    After some months, he was saying Russia will win, if it uses massive conscription, to invade with millions of soldiers etc.

    He doesn't seem to understand, there is no reason to send millions of soldiers, if you don't have equipment for thousands of soldiers and most of the equipment was destroyed in the first months.

    Unless, he wants human wave attacks or to use T-34s, which would only be useful if the authorities want to reduce population of the Russian Federation.

    The determination of the results of the war, is by technology level. In the beginning, Russia and Ukraine have a similar technology level as both are in the 1970s or 1960s level. Russia has a few more equipment from the 1980s like Kalibr missile which are from 1982 or some other quantity of 1980s Soviet guided weapons.

    But Russia has a vast quantity of equipment than Ukraine, because it has main stocks of the equipment from a superpower i.e. the USSR while Ukraine only has a smaller portion of the Soviet army.

    However, depending Western decisions, there is potential, for Ukraine to receive Western technology of the 1990s level or even more advanced. This will be mainly integrating after 2024. They are receiving equipment like Patriot missiles and Caesar artillery.

    Already in 2022, we saw effects of small equipment using Western technology, like the NLAW or Javelin, has bypassed the difference in tank quantities.

  866. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    The video looks familiar to me. After some fact checking, one of the serious early hits on a Kiev civilian building was recognized to be a Ukrainian S-300 missile which hit during an attempted interception of a Russian target (missile or airplane).

    So you are suggesting that the Ukrainians hit their own population center?

    Ok provide some evidence of what we all know is total bullshit. Show us the work of your fact checking.

    The recent strikes on Kiev show it is definitely a military target.

    What was the target?

    Why don't you explain the target here:

    https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/iranian-made-drones-ukraine-1.jpg?quality=85&w=2400

    Putin launches drone and missile attacks on Kiev every single week. The battle is in Bakhmut. What he is doing is a war crime.

    You're an embarrassment to other Putin defenders. You are better off not replying.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO. Often these assets seem to reside in civilian areas, which is a clear sign that NATO does not give a rat’s ass about Ukrainian lives. Russia has been striking these targets all across Ukraine for over a year.

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    If you look at non-Western news sites you will see that Russia has recently been completing missile strikes across the country on a regular basis.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO.

    So once again you have zero sources and didn't have an explanation of your "fact checking" where you claim the Ukrainians shot their own apartment building with a cruise missile.

    You also can't explain what military target Putin was trying to hit within a block of apartments.

    Do you think Iranian drones are being used to attack military targets within civilian areas? Are you also suggesting they accurate enough for such attacks?

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    I posted a video from the start of the war when Russia launched cruise missiles at Kiev. When I first posted that attack the Putin defenders here said he would never do such a thing. Putin then bought a shipment of 2 stroke engine drones from Iran and launches them at Kiev at least once a week.

    The world can see the destroyed apartment buildings and mangled bodies. They dragged out the body of a child a few weeks ago. Your damage control for the mass murdering dwarf is reprehensible. You have zero moral basis and have latched yourself to him like a primitive.

    Oh and he just killed another one of his own for opposing the war:
    Russian minister who opposed war dies of illness on return to Russia
    https://globalnews.ca/news/9716699/russian-minister-dead-pyotr-kucherenko-mid-flight-cuba/

    The bunker dwarf will kill his own employees if they have even a hint of being against the war. But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas? Is that right? The same dwarf who tried to freeze Europe?

    Replies: @Mikel

  867. @Beyond the pale and fedup
    WTF is up with Farmington New Mexico, first there was the double homicide at the scrap yard, then the cops shot dead their co-worker at the wrong address, then one or two mass shooting (revenge attack !?) there the next month. One being confirmed the second being a phantom event that may or may not officially happened.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This may be related to the project of gun psyops being executed on an almost daily basis to enable gun confiscation in the USA.

  868. That’s what happens when you just can’t go and buy some greedy corrupt shroeders from some socialdemocratic european bantustans like always used to do;)

    China decided to build a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan instead of “Power of Siberia-2”

    Attempts by Russian President Vladimir Putin to negotiate an increase in gas supplies to China have stalled. Instead of the 50 billion cubic meter Power of Siberia-2 project, which the Kremlin has been pushing for more than 7 years, Beijing has decided to give priority to a new gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, Reuters reported, citing senior Chinese officials and representatives of the country’s oil and gas industry.

    Although Turkmen gas costs China 30% more than Russian gas, and negotiations on a discount with Ashgabat failed, Beijing gave the green light to the Line D project, which will import 30 billion cubic meters from Turkmenistan annually.

    Despite all Russia’s overtures and statements about an indestructible and “strategic partnership”, China is betting on Turkmenistan. “Central Asian pipelines are considered a key investment in China’s energy and geopolitical space. It is a supply chain with strategic value that transcends commercial aspects,” a Chinese official familiar with CNPC’s global strategy told Reuters.

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/13042

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Germany is now officially in recession.

    Replies: @sudden death

  869. @Mikel
    Very insightful comment by Strelkov, as usual (Google Translate):

    If the impotent does not work out, then this is not a reason to cancel sexual relations as impossible.

    And he finishes his analysis of the lack of envelopment movements and destruction of infrastructure with these words:

    Bakhmut is a Pyrrhic victory. Without changing the war from a stupid position to a smart, air-ground one, the Russian Federation will be defeated

    Considering the success of his predictions so far (including incursions into Southern Russia as part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive maneuvers), an opinion to keep in mind.

    https://t.me/s/igorstrelkov

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    The main question related to Bakhmut is the ratio of Ukrainian KIA to Russian KIA. It seems no one has a fully defensible source for this information.

  870. • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I guess it's time for

    Nuland, Blinken and various (((others))) to stand up and say "I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!"

  871. @sudden death
    After such short succesful victorious Bahmut operation Prigozhin continues the career of being the another Strelkov competitor truthteller;)

    The SMO was made for the sake of denazification... And we made Ukraine a nation that is known throughout the world. Legitimized Ukraine... Now, as for demilitarization. If at the beginning of the special operation they had conditionally 500 tanks, now they have five thousand of them. If then 20 thousand fighters skillfully fought, then now 400 thousand. How did we demilitarize it? Now, on the contrary, much as hell, but we have militarized Ukraine.
     
    https://t.me/rusbrief/119709

    Replies: @sudden death

    btw, even after bloody protracted Bahmut, Prigozhin not a fan of using nukes because of a fight with UA:

    What is a nuclear conflict? Here are the neighbors. They had a fight. You can punch your neighbor in the face. You can break dishes. Anything happens. But if a neighbor said FU, and you took an axe and laid it on his head, then this is such a strange situation. Here is a nuclear bomb – this is an axe. No need to run after a neighbor with an axe. You must honestly either just beat his ass or confess that he smacked you. It is necessary to prove one’s case on the battlefield, and not to run with an axe as nuclear bomb.

    https://nsn.fm/policy/prigozhin-vystupil-protiv-vozmozhnogo-primeneniya-yadernogo-oruzhiya-na-ukraine

    Also makes a case of free Navalny being more useful than locked in jail:

    Hooray-patriotism makes people fool around and do nothing, because everything will still be “hooray” Navalny’s effect – Navalny was a complete dick. But he was very useful. When some CEO of state corporation stole money, and Navalny started squealing about it, then it was dangerous for him to withdraw this money. And now, when Navalny is in prison, Navalny is not there, it is possible steal the money, there are no public questions anymore.

    https://riafan.ru/24071611-prigozhin_ura_patriotizm_zastavlyaet_lyudei_valyat_duraka_i_nichego_ne_delat

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @sudden death

    If there is a coup or a reshuffle of forces in the Kremlin, I wouldn't mind Prigozhin getting on top. He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises. Much better than the Strelkov angry patriots types, definitely. Unfortunately, I haven't found any translation of his latest full interview.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    , @LatW
    @sudden death

    He threw out a few more gems the other day. Among other things, he said that Ukraine has now become a real country that is known by the whole world, "like ancient Greece was at its prime".

    Things like "we stomped on them with boots when we should've kissed the population's a**" and other great gems like that. All very true.

    Was it worth killing and tormenting all those people to come to that basic realization?

  872. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO. Often these assets seem to reside in civilian areas, which is a clear sign that NATO does not give a rat's ass about Ukrainian lives. Russia has been striking these targets all across Ukraine for over a year.

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    If you look at non-Western news sites you will see that Russia has recently been completing missile strikes across the country on a regular basis.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO.

    So once again you have zero sources and didn’t have an explanation of your “fact checking” where you claim the Ukrainians shot their own apartment building with a cruise missile.

    You also can’t explain what military target Putin was trying to hit within a block of apartments.

    Do you think Iranian drones are being used to attack military targets within civilian areas? Are you also suggesting they accurate enough for such attacks?

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    I posted a video from the start of the war when Russia launched cruise missiles at Kiev. When I first posted that attack the Putin defenders here said he would never do such a thing. Putin then bought a shipment of 2 stroke engine drones from Iran and launches them at Kiev at least once a week.

    The world can see the destroyed apartment buildings and mangled bodies. They dragged out the body of a child a few weeks ago. Your damage control for the mass murdering dwarf is reprehensible. You have zero moral basis and have latched yourself to him like a primitive.

    Oh and he just killed another one of his own for opposing the war:
    Russian minister who opposed war dies of illness on return to Russia
    https://globalnews.ca/news/9716699/russian-minister-dead-pyotr-kucherenko-mid-flight-cuba/

    The bunker dwarf will kill his own employees if they have even a hint of being against the war. But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas? Is that right? The same dwarf who tried to freeze Europe?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas?
     
    He's definitely as willing to kill civilians as Poroshenko was in Donbass, if not more. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. Much though the killing of any civilian disgusts me, these strikes on apartment buildings were likely either "collateral damage" or stray Ukrainian AD missiles, like the one that landed in Poland.

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @John Johnson

  873. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    btw, even after bloody protracted Bahmut, Prigozhin not a fan of using nukes because of a fight with UA:


    What is a nuclear conflict? Here are the neighbors. They had a fight. You can punch your neighbor in the face. You can break dishes. Anything happens. But if a neighbor said FU, and you took an axe and laid it on his head, then this is such a strange situation. Here is a nuclear bomb - this is an axe. No need to run after a neighbor with an axe. You must honestly either just beat his ass or confess that he smacked you. It is necessary to prove one's case on the battlefield, and not to run with an axe as nuclear bomb.
     
    https://nsn.fm/policy/prigozhin-vystupil-protiv-vozmozhnogo-primeneniya-yadernogo-oruzhiya-na-ukraine

    Also makes a case of free Navalny being more useful than locked in jail:


    Hooray-patriotism makes people fool around and do nothing, because everything will still be "hooray" Navalny's effect - Navalny was a complete dick. But he was very useful. When some CEO of state corporation stole money, and Navalny started squealing about it, then it was dangerous for him to withdraw this money. And now, when Navalny is in prison, Navalny is not there, it is possible steal the money, there are no public questions anymore.
     
    https://riafan.ru/24071611-prigozhin_ura_patriotizm_zastavlyaet_lyudei_valyat_duraka_i_nichego_ne_delat

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

    If there is a coup or a reshuffle of forces in the Kremlin, I wouldn’t mind Prigozhin getting on top. He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises. Much better than the Strelkov angry patriots types, definitely. Unfortunately, I haven’t found any translation of his latest full interview.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Maybe Putin is grooming Prigo as his successor.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises.
     
    Yes, he is pragmatic and a realist (also eloquent in a kind of a funny, primitive way), but... he still has the old school mentality and for Ukrainians, despite all the praise he has been heaping on them lately, he is nothing but an occupying scum and a war criminal.

    Once again, in his recent interview, he went on and on about how "Stalin would've dealt with" the types who made mistakes (e.g., would have executed several hundred people), so same ancient attitude that stems not just from Stalin but probably Ivan Grozny times. This is just not a good approach in modern times, instilling fear. These days you have to cultivate, grow, build, etc. Doesn't mean you can't be strict, but you have to be very careful. And it takes years and decades and you need good management at the middle level (this is what they lack).

    And above all - he doesn't realize that the Ukes don't want them. Once again, in his interview he said that they should've removed Ukraine's leadership, the top (e.g., the government of another country via an incursion) and then tried to woo the population, but the truth is that the population doesn't want it in principle. And would've been enraged if someone had walked in and toppled their government. This is what he doesn't see apparently. Or refuses to admit still to this day. I understand that he has to keep his face with the RusFed public, but it is still delusional. And he is himself a part of this elite that he is so critical of, maybe not at the very top, but he was feeding off of it for years.

    Replies: @Mikel

  874. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Men and material related to NATO military involvement in Ukraine have been considered a target since the beginning of the SMO.

    So once again you have zero sources and didn't have an explanation of your "fact checking" where you claim the Ukrainians shot their own apartment building with a cruise missile.

    You also can't explain what military target Putin was trying to hit within a block of apartments.

    Do you think Iranian drones are being used to attack military targets within civilian areas? Are you also suggesting they accurate enough for such attacks?

    For Kiev, I was referring to the recent Kinzhal attack on the Patriot batteries which most of the world recognized was a likely military target for Russian strikes.

    I posted a video from the start of the war when Russia launched cruise missiles at Kiev. When I first posted that attack the Putin defenders here said he would never do such a thing. Putin then bought a shipment of 2 stroke engine drones from Iran and launches them at Kiev at least once a week.

    The world can see the destroyed apartment buildings and mangled bodies. They dragged out the body of a child a few weeks ago. Your damage control for the mass murdering dwarf is reprehensible. You have zero moral basis and have latched yourself to him like a primitive.

    Oh and he just killed another one of his own for opposing the war:
    Russian minister who opposed war dies of illness on return to Russia
    https://globalnews.ca/news/9716699/russian-minister-dead-pyotr-kucherenko-mid-flight-cuba/

    The bunker dwarf will kill his own employees if they have even a hint of being against the war. But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas? Is that right? The same dwarf who tried to freeze Europe?

    Replies: @Mikel

    But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas?

    He’s definitely as willing to kill civilians as Poroshenko was in Donbass, if not more. But I haven’t seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. Much though the killing of any civilian disgusts me, these strikes on apartment buildings were likely either “collateral damage” or stray Ukrainian AD missiles, like the one that landed in Poland.

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?
     
    Internal contradiction in this sentence: civilians could not have been killed “before the war started”. They were killed after the war started. The war started in 2014.
    , @QCIC
    @Mikel

    I think you guys may be getting the picture (JJ, Mikel, etc.). If you see this as part of the simmering stage which builds up to a possible nuclear war, the possibility for civilian deaths is immense. The pile of bodies will be so high that no one cares who shot first. This is the position the Ukrainians and the West have put us in.

    You can say this conflict is too minor for that, but the Russian military, government and diplomats cannot count on this. So eventually they get backed into the insane calculus of 10 million Ukrainian deaths to avoid 100 million Russian deaths in a future nuclear war. This is part of what it means to say the Ukraine situation is existential for Russia. The West intentionally dropped out of nuclear arms treaties so they would be more capable of fighting a nuclear war. They thought Russia had no say in this, but that belief was mistaken.

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I haven’t seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose.

    So you believe he is currently targeting military targets in densely populated civilian areas?

    Do you believe that 2 stroke Iranian drones are capable of pinpoint accuracy? You believe a military target was next to these apartment buildings and he simply missed?

    When he tried to freeze Europe was that an attempt at killing civilians? Why is it hard to believe that he would target civilian areas with Iranian drones if he was willing to freeze old German ladies to death?

    https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230103115252-kyiv-drone-attack-1017.jpg

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Casualties in the milita fighting had dropped off to around 25 per year. That means more ethnic Russian died by drowning accidents in the last few years.

    Peak casualties were in 2014 and the largest group was ethnic Ukrainian:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    I don't support attacking civilians in any context. The Ukrainian government has not targeted civilians. The bulk of the fighting has been by militias in civilian areas.

    Replies: @QCIC

  875. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    think they feel different? I’m sure they all have different outlooks
     
    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries. Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.

    For any older generation, the new countries are often merging a lot more in peoples' views, as changes or new countries happening in your life seem a lot more artificial, than changes happening before you are born.


    was their MO, to ride by in a tank as a reaction to “separatism” or rebellion or whatever you want to call it. To try to pacify by just demonstrating a tank, but not really do anything serious, and the Ukes tried to do

     

    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.

    Grozny, December 1994 the moved tanks in the centre of the city as a kind of demonstration, before many were destroyed in the night by anti-tank weapons.


    old weapons were still available, it is tragic. We didn’t have anywhere near as much although we had a whole military center
     
    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.

    social contract is no longer valid – when they announced the “SMO”, the people were told that this will take place in another country and they will not be affected. And that everything is going “according to the plan”

     

    I feel there is misunderstanding there is social contract in Russia. Also an idea people would be shocked about some fighting in Russia. It's not Western Europe or America where people have those kind of high expectations.

    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.

    Yet, if I remember around 1000 Russian citizens were dying each year, from the internal war in Russia each year even in Medvedev years, if you include both sides and civilians.

    Of course, the situation with Ukraine is going to be a serious problem for the internal security. Although a lot of this aspect, can be also questionable. For example, when every few months there is supposedly a defeated terrorist attack in Russia, by Ukrainian radicals etc. https://www.ural.kp.ru/daily/27460/4714614/ It's not always clear which are real or not.


    Sigh… well, what can one say here. When you think this creature could not fall any lower, it turns out he can.
     
    You know the traditional joke. "We want to destroy America and get a Green Card".

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.

    Replies: @LatW

    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries.

    But they are quite different, even if they are similar as well. They essentially have the same language. But the temperament is different, and partly the ethnic composition.

    [MORE]

    Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.

    🙂

    Well, I’m sure we’d notice the same things about BL and UA, they are sort of objective. I never considered them “one” country, anything that I would consider “one” is only from common ethnic heritage aspect (not because of the SU which was a recent and rather short lived country in fact).

    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.

    Well, you still have to be very careful with this kind of a thing, an occupying force in a foreign country is not at home, but the locals are at home. Whereas your home city, such as Belgorod, should be fortified with territorial defense, especially if you’re fighting a war next door. And they are admitting this on the propaganda channels – post factum, one of the propagandist said there needs to be a new cossack regimen stationed there, it just confirms what I said about their attitude. They live in their heads, not in reality. And then talk on the tv about how things “should be”. There’s nothing easier than that.

    Btw, because relations are good with, let’s say, Kaliningrad, there is no need for more troops there. Pskov can stay completely unarmed and nothing will happen there. It is safe. The border with NATO is safe. Where there is no NATO, it is not safe – isn’t that ironic?

    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.

    This is correct, but remember also that 30 years is a long time in a person’s life (and even in the life of institutions). So a lot can change, especially for those who are barely 50. In the case of Ukraine’s military today, it is exactly this middle generation that is leading the operations, they have knowledge from both the Soviet era and their more recent education that they received during the free years. And those older are using the Soviet education in rather skillful ways to defend themselves. And then there are the young ones, under 40, who are raised already differently and many of who have decent training.

    But you do have a point re: Afghanistan, etc. In our military there is one high ranking commander who actually graduated from the aviation institute in Kharkov. They reviewed the dudes who had been in high posts in the Soviet military and they kept some of them.

    And this was similar in the previous times as well, some of the White soldiers and officers who fought for the Empire in WW1 and the Civil War, later went into the militaries that followed them (interesting, on both sides, both anti-Bolshevik such as ROA and some in fact joined the Soviet army, afaik).

    And yes, they shouldn’t all be fighting each other, this is awful (even if it’s always been that way in history).

    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.

    I actually brought this up a few years ago on this forum, because those skirmishes were quite bad, with quite a few Dags dying as well as some Russian soldiers. But this is all in the Caucasus, away from the Slavic population (except the soldiers and their families).

    You know the traditional joke. “We want to destroy America and get a Green Card”.

    This is something I cannot relate to at all. I don’t get the propaganda side, if you’re going to live in the West, why trash the West? I understand that for Solovyov it’s how he makes his money, it’s just I could never stoop that low. And the people do know, and yet they do not say anything.

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.

    It’s not great and doesn’t look good at all, but it’s not as bad as deliberately having anchor babies in the US (while still being married to your first wife?), and then attacking the coach of the national basketball team. This is totally unacceptable behavior. This person is laughing in the face of the real Russians (in fact, he’s lying to the Russian people and making money that way). I wouldn’t tolerate it. The Russian freedom fighters won’t either.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    away from the Slavic population
     
    This is not true, a lot of slavic population are living in those areas, although the number is falling especially in the later Soviet epoch.

    Grozny was a majority Russian city for most of the 20th century. Even in the 1990s, the majority of the civilian killed in the bombings of Grozny were the Russians by nationality as more Chechen civilians on average able to escape to villages.


    I cannot relate to at all. I don’t get the propaganda side, if you’re going to live in the West, why trash the West?

     

    For the elite, it is continuing the Soviet ideology for management of the farm, not following it for themselves.

    For ordinary people, although the geopolitical situation in the 20th century of the ideological enemy superpowers is a unique, I wouldn't say it is especially unique for the relation between the developed and developing countries. People want to immigrate to the developed countries, but not everyone is ideologically consistent. Sometimes Algerian immigrants in France, continue with the Algerian flag. Conservative Pakistanis might continue with the anti-Western ideologies, even while many dream to emigrate to the developed Western country.


    it’s not as bad as deliberately having anchor babies in the US (while still being married to your first wife?), and then attacking the coach of the national basketball team. This is totally unacceptable behavior. This person is laughing in the face of the real Russians
     
    Somehow, I don't think his situation is so happy nowadays. He has a lot of girlfriends and children, with all the privileges of court. His girlfriend probably wanted to emigrate and he wanted the pension years in Miami or Haiwaii.

    Well, nowadays, he is not going to be accepted in the West and he will only have the pension years in Crimea. There is something similar with Medvedev.

    I would assume, Medvedev's family has property in America and will not be able to access. After some months, Medvedev is writing exaggerated anti-Western comments in the social media. Probably, some of the dreams of the younger years, for the pension years were broken eventually.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULLONbBfAbU

  876. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    btw, even after bloody protracted Bahmut, Prigozhin not a fan of using nukes because of a fight with UA:


    What is a nuclear conflict? Here are the neighbors. They had a fight. You can punch your neighbor in the face. You can break dishes. Anything happens. But if a neighbor said FU, and you took an axe and laid it on his head, then this is such a strange situation. Here is a nuclear bomb - this is an axe. No need to run after a neighbor with an axe. You must honestly either just beat his ass or confess that he smacked you. It is necessary to prove one's case on the battlefield, and not to run with an axe as nuclear bomb.
     
    https://nsn.fm/policy/prigozhin-vystupil-protiv-vozmozhnogo-primeneniya-yadernogo-oruzhiya-na-ukraine

    Also makes a case of free Navalny being more useful than locked in jail:


    Hooray-patriotism makes people fool around and do nothing, because everything will still be "hooray" Navalny's effect - Navalny was a complete dick. But he was very useful. When some CEO of state corporation stole money, and Navalny started squealing about it, then it was dangerous for him to withdraw this money. And now, when Navalny is in prison, Navalny is not there, it is possible steal the money, there are no public questions anymore.
     
    https://riafan.ru/24071611-prigozhin_ura_patriotizm_zastavlyaet_lyudei_valyat_duraka_i_nichego_ne_delat

    Replies: @Mikel, @LatW

    He threw out a few more gems the other day. Among other things, he said that Ukraine has now become a real country that is known by the whole world, “like ancient Greece was at its prime”.

    Things like “we stomped on them with boots when we should’ve kissed the population’s a**” and other great gems like that. All very true.

    Was it worth killing and tormenting all those people to come to that basic realization?

  877. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas?
     
    He's definitely as willing to kill civilians as Poroshenko was in Donbass, if not more. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. Much though the killing of any civilian disgusts me, these strikes on apartment buildings were likely either "collateral damage" or stray Ukrainian AD missiles, like the one that landed in Poland.

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Internal contradiction in this sentence: civilians could not have been killed “before the war started”. They were killed after the war started. The war started in 2014.

  878. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    What you want is a spreadsheet with username and number of twitter links posted. Twitter has surveillance scripts which execute and chew up large resources. No doubt other companies do these shenanigans but theirs is the worst by far which is why the administrator requests using the [more] tag.

    See the Tragedy of the Commons from your freshman economics textbook. : )

    https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/tragedy-of-the-commons-impact-on-sustainability-issues

    Twitter is a virtually useless software. Mainly it is useful for gossip, ghoulishness, and schadenfreude. Antisocial media. The only people I have ever heard of who need it are professional journalists. It is a dying profession but there are a few left covering sports. If you are Ian Rapoport and your income depends on scooping Adam Shefter you have to have twitter. 99.99999% of the rest of us should dump it.

    Replies: @songbird

    What you want is a spreadsheet

    No need to duplicate someone else’s work. Must be a few NGO people here, who could supply the necessary info.

    Antisocial media

    Some of the memes and characters from racist Twitter were brilliantly satirical and unique. Unfortunately, it did not last long.

    Not too sure it has much other value, except maybe in exposing the biases in mainstream journos, etc.

  879. @sudden death
    That's what happens when you just can't go and buy some greedy corrupt shroeders from some socialdemocratic european bantustans like always used to do;)

    China decided to build a gas pipeline from Turkmenistan instead of "Power of Siberia-2"

    Attempts by Russian President Vladimir Putin to negotiate an increase in gas supplies to China have stalled. Instead of the 50 billion cubic meter Power of Siberia-2 project, which the Kremlin has been pushing for more than 7 years, Beijing has decided to give priority to a new gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, Reuters reported, citing senior Chinese officials and representatives of the country's oil and gas industry.

    Although Turkmen gas costs China 30% more than Russian gas, and negotiations on a discount with Ashgabat failed, Beijing gave the green light to the Line D project, which will import 30 billion cubic meters from Turkmenistan annually.

    Despite all Russia's overtures and statements about an indestructible and "strategic partnership", China is betting on Turkmenistan. “Central Asian pipelines are considered a key investment in China's energy and geopolitical space. It is a supply chain with strategic value that transcends commercial aspects,” a Chinese official familiar with CNPC’s global strategy told Reuters.
     
    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/13042

    Replies: @songbird

    Germany is now officially in recession.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    So far doesn't look that much radically different from 2019 pre-covidian quarter by quarter dynamics:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw1QuwsWIAMJ-IK.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  880. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Why? You trying to help Prigozhin fulfill his quotas for a new recruitment?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/09/15/09/62433425-11214765-image-a-1_1663230338200.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    Prison military corps is not really my style.

    A few weeks ago, I did, on a whim, read an old book of peasant songs. Some of them were quite picturesque, evocative, or even poetic.

    And that got me thinking about how many people from the pop charts we would need to exile to make mosern music more tolerable. Surely, in the worst case scenario, it would be <1000.

    A price well worth it, don't you think?

  881. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/dana916/status/1661392229900992514

    Replies: @QCIC

    I guess it’s time for

    Nuland, Blinken and various (((others))) to stand up and say “I’m shocked! Shocked I tell you!”

  882. As a kid I really liked this tune by the Animals. It’s about war, death and loss, belief in God, and how high a sky pilot might actually fly. You’ll probably like it:

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Went through a period when I was interested in classic rock. Sometimes, I would listen to this radio show:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_45s

    Can't say I liked everything I heard, but I appreciated how it was always something different, that I hadn't heard. Didn't sound commercial. Though, I suppose originally the songs were commercial hits of a sort.

    Boston once had some great radio stations. Though, I can't really listen to the radio anymore. Hate the commercials, etc. And public radio is like ear cancer, IMO.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  883. QCIC says:
    @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas?
     
    He's definitely as willing to kill civilians as Poroshenko was in Donbass, if not more. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. Much though the killing of any civilian disgusts me, these strikes on apartment buildings were likely either "collateral damage" or stray Ukrainian AD missiles, like the one that landed in Poland.

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    I think you guys may be getting the picture (JJ, Mikel, etc.). If you see this as part of the simmering stage which builds up to a possible nuclear war, the possibility for civilian deaths is immense. The pile of bodies will be so high that no one cares who shot first. This is the position the Ukrainians and the West have put us in.

    You can say this conflict is too minor for that, but the Russian military, government and diplomats cannot count on this. So eventually they get backed into the insane calculus of 10 million Ukrainian deaths to avoid 100 million Russian deaths in a future nuclear war. This is part of what it means to say the Ukraine situation is existential for Russia. The West intentionally dropped out of nuclear arms treaties so they would be more capable of fighting a nuclear war. They thought Russia had no say in this, but that belief was mistaken.

  884. @Mikel
    @sudden death

    If there is a coup or a reshuffle of forces in the Kremlin, I wouldn't mind Prigozhin getting on top. He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises. Much better than the Strelkov angry patriots types, definitely. Unfortunately, I haven't found any translation of his latest full interview.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    Maybe Putin is grooming Prigo as his successor.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Maybe Putin is grooming Prigo as his successor.
     
    No chance. Judging by his addiction to self-aggrandizement, Prigozhin does not measure up by a long chalk. Besides, there is simple rule: tell me who quotes you, and I tell you what you are. Prigozhin is going in the direction of Girkin (formerly known as Strelkov).
  885. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @sudden death

    If there is a coup or a reshuffle of forces in the Kremlin, I wouldn't mind Prigozhin getting on top. He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises. Much better than the Strelkov angry patriots types, definitely. Unfortunately, I haven't found any translation of his latest full interview.

    Replies: @QCIC, @LatW

    He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises.

    Yes, he is pragmatic and a realist (also eloquent in a kind of a funny, primitive way), but… he still has the old school mentality and for Ukrainians, despite all the praise he has been heaping on them lately, he is nothing but an occupying scum and a war criminal.

    Once again, in his recent interview, he went on and on about how “Stalin would’ve dealt with” the types who made mistakes (e.g., would have executed several hundred people), so same ancient attitude that stems not just from Stalin but probably Ivan Grozny times. This is just not a good approach in modern times, instilling fear. These days you have to cultivate, grow, build, etc. Doesn’t mean you can’t be strict, but you have to be very careful. And it takes years and decades and you need good management at the middle level (this is what they lack).

    And above all – he doesn’t realize that the Ukes don’t want them. Once again, in his interview he said that they should’ve removed Ukraine’s leadership, the top (e.g., the government of another country via an incursion) and then tried to woo the population, but the truth is that the population doesn’t want it in principle. And would’ve been enraged if someone had walked in and toppled their government. This is what he doesn’t see apparently. Or refuses to admit still to this day. I understand that he has to keep his face with the RusFed public, but it is still delusional. And he is himself a part of this elite that he is so critical of, maybe not at the very top, but he was feeding off of it for years.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW

    OK thanks. I've only seen parts of the interview translated here and there. He should be better than Putin though. No nukes, pragmatism and some measure of respect for the Ukrainians.

    Replies: @LatW

  886. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Maybe Putin is grooming Prigo as his successor.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Maybe Putin is grooming Prigo as his successor.

    No chance. Judging by his addiction to self-aggrandizement, Prigozhin does not measure up by a long chalk. Besides, there is simple rule: tell me who quotes you, and I tell you what you are. Prigozhin is going in the direction of Girkin (formerly known as Strelkov).

  887. @Mr. Hack
    As a kid I really liked this tune by the Animals. It's about war, death and loss, belief in God, and how high a sky pilot might actually fly. You'll probably like it:

    https://youtu.be/lroU7apzma8

    Replies: @songbird

    Went through a period when I was interested in classic rock. Sometimes, I would listen to this radio show:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_45s

    Can’t say I liked everything I heard, but I appreciated how it was always something different, that I hadn’t heard. Didn’t sound commercial. Though, I suppose originally the songs were commercial hits of a sort.

    Boston once had some great radio stations. Though, I can’t really listen to the radio anymore. Hate the commercials, etc. And public radio is like ear cancer, IMO.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Can’t say I liked everything I heard, but I appreciated how it was always something different, that I hadn’t heard. Didn’t sound commercial. Though, I suppose originally the songs were commercial hits of a sort.
     
    Your summation of pop music of this period (1965 - 1980), although made up of your own views comes very close to my own. The Beatles, and the "British Invasion" (Beatles, Rolling Stones, the Animals being the big three) ushered in a vibrant new period that helped shape things immensely, especially in the US too. A lot of these groups (Rolling Stones, the Animals, Spencer Davis Group, Cream, Yardbirds etc) also redefined the American blues style with their own catchy twang too. Then around 1968 a new totally different fusion of sounds, that goes under the nomenclature of "psychedelia" influenced a lot of quality sounds on both sides of the Atlantic. The tune "Sky Pilot" that I posted above was actually the commercial variant, whereas the full version was featured on the 1968 album "The Twain Shall Meet". The full version is more than twice as long thaan the commercial version, clocking in at 7:27, that was also "over the top" for commercial rock radio stations of that time. A big difference between the two versions was the all important "interlude segment" that you can hear starting at 2:49 through 5:07. It's really quite creative and artistic IMHO. The long version is all around a more satisfying and creative composition. The video clip is quite good too, with an interesting grouping of wartime photos:

    https://youtu.be/m0JMCaKwOUY

    A bit more about the creative "interlude segment". At the very least, you'll probably appreciate the bagpipe sub-section:

    The interlude starts as a guitar solo [actually, a very high quality psychedelic guitar solo] , but the guitar is quickly submerged under a montage of battle sounds. First come the scary sounds of an airstrike with the "Jericho Trumpet" sirens of Junkers Ju 87 Stuka; then the airstrike and rock band fade into the sounds of shouting, gunfire, and bagpipes. Near the end of the interlude the battle sounds fade, briefly leaving the bagpipes playing alone before the third movement begins. The bagpipe music is a performance by the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards playing "All The Blue Bonnets Are Over the Border". According to an unverified story, the pipers were recorded covertly by Burdon, resulting in the government of the United Kingdom sending the band a letter of complaint.[2]

  888. @LatW
    @Mikel


    He may have a very bloody past but he is also a realist and has learned to respect the Ukrainians, whom he often praises.
     
    Yes, he is pragmatic and a realist (also eloquent in a kind of a funny, primitive way), but... he still has the old school mentality and for Ukrainians, despite all the praise he has been heaping on them lately, he is nothing but an occupying scum and a war criminal.

    Once again, in his recent interview, he went on and on about how "Stalin would've dealt with" the types who made mistakes (e.g., would have executed several hundred people), so same ancient attitude that stems not just from Stalin but probably Ivan Grozny times. This is just not a good approach in modern times, instilling fear. These days you have to cultivate, grow, build, etc. Doesn't mean you can't be strict, but you have to be very careful. And it takes years and decades and you need good management at the middle level (this is what they lack).

    And above all - he doesn't realize that the Ukes don't want them. Once again, in his interview he said that they should've removed Ukraine's leadership, the top (e.g., the government of another country via an incursion) and then tried to woo the population, but the truth is that the population doesn't want it in principle. And would've been enraged if someone had walked in and toppled their government. This is what he doesn't see apparently. Or refuses to admit still to this day. I understand that he has to keep his face with the RusFed public, but it is still delusional. And he is himself a part of this elite that he is so critical of, maybe not at the very top, but he was feeding off of it for years.

    Replies: @Mikel

    OK thanks. I’ve only seen parts of the interview translated here and there. He should be better than Putin though. No nukes, pragmatism and some measure of respect for the Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel

    Well, that you're supporting an open fascist (I don't care that he is Jewish), an invasionist, a leader of a government sponsored criminal gang (Wagner), that's pretty shocking. Given how much you've always cared about "human rights" in the countries neighboring RusFed. And I don't even have an animus against Prigozhin.

    Yes, the interview is good, but it is post factum. Talk is cheap. Unless what he says gets implemented (it won't), only then his words would make a real difference.

    Do you remember the sledge hammer video? Not the video itself (I haven't watched it), but that a video like that came out?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

  889. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Germany is now officially in recession.

    Replies: @sudden death

    So far doesn’t look that much radically different from 2019 pre-covidian quarter by quarter dynamics:

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Germany was never the healthy powerhouse they said it was. (At least not in many decades). Am sure they are underestimating the shrinkage (for example due to underestimating inflation), and it will get worse.

    They are chirruping about green investments that will turn the economy around. Doesn't seem very probable to me. Actually seems pretty dumb. Some electric car battery factory, if it works out at all, is not going to prop up traditional combustion supply chains. Wind and solar are only believed in by fanatic ideologues, at that latitude.

    It will get worse.

    Replies: @German_reader

  890. @Mikel
    @LatW

    OK thanks. I've only seen parts of the interview translated here and there. He should be better than Putin though. No nukes, pragmatism and some measure of respect for the Ukrainians.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well, that you’re supporting an open fascist (I don’t care that he is Jewish), an invasionist, a leader of a government sponsored criminal gang (Wagner), that’s pretty shocking. Given how much you’ve always cared about “human rights” in the countries neighboring RusFed. And I don’t even have an animus against Prigozhin.

    Yes, the interview is good, but it is post factum. Talk is cheap. Unless what he says gets implemented (it won’t), only then his words would make a real difference.

    Do you remember the sledge hammer video? Not the video itself (I haven’t watched it), but that a video like that came out?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Oh, and by the way, if you believe that Prigozhin's motivation in all of this is anything but pure money - look harder. He received insane levels of cash from the MOD, 5B or so, and a lot of money from Africa (mostly not honestly earned). I hope that makes this idol of convicts and vatniks more appealing to you. A golden calf, indeed.

    , @Mikel
    @LatW

    You don't understand. What I said in my original comment is that if this war leads to a change of rule in Moscow, in which everybody seems to think that some sort of hardliner is much more likely to come on top than a liberal, Prigozhin may turn out to be better than Putin for peace and stability. In fact, I think that a man like him must perfectly understand that the SMO was a terrible idea and that ordinary Ukrainians now hate Russians with a passion, whatever he says on camera. But that is not "supporting" him. In fact, if I had a say in the matter I would much prefer Navalny or Chubais. I don't know how good that would be for Russia but for the rest of the world a return to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.

    Replies: @LatW

  891. @LatW
    @Mikel

    Well, that you're supporting an open fascist (I don't care that he is Jewish), an invasionist, a leader of a government sponsored criminal gang (Wagner), that's pretty shocking. Given how much you've always cared about "human rights" in the countries neighboring RusFed. And I don't even have an animus against Prigozhin.

    Yes, the interview is good, but it is post factum. Talk is cheap. Unless what he says gets implemented (it won't), only then his words would make a real difference.

    Do you remember the sledge hammer video? Not the video itself (I haven't watched it), but that a video like that came out?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

    Oh, and by the way, if you believe that Prigozhin’s motivation in all of this is anything but pure money – look harder. He received insane levels of cash from the MOD, 5B or so, and a lot of money from Africa (mostly not honestly earned). I hope that makes this idol of convicts and vatniks more appealing to you. A golden calf, indeed.

  892. @LatW
    @Mikel

    Well, that you're supporting an open fascist (I don't care that he is Jewish), an invasionist, a leader of a government sponsored criminal gang (Wagner), that's pretty shocking. Given how much you've always cared about "human rights" in the countries neighboring RusFed. And I don't even have an animus against Prigozhin.

    Yes, the interview is good, but it is post factum. Talk is cheap. Unless what he says gets implemented (it won't), only then his words would make a real difference.

    Do you remember the sledge hammer video? Not the video itself (I haven't watched it), but that a video like that came out?

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikel

    You don’t understand. What I said in my original comment is that if this war leads to a change of rule in Moscow, in which everybody seems to think that some sort of hardliner is much more likely to come on top than a liberal, Prigozhin may turn out to be better than Putin for peace and stability. In fact, I think that a man like him must perfectly understand that the SMO was a terrible idea and that ordinary Ukrainians now hate Russians with a passion, whatever he says on camera. But that is not “supporting” him. In fact, if I had a say in the matter I would much prefer Navalny or Chubais. I don’t know how good that would be for Russia but for the rest of the world a return to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel

    First of all, Wagner is a criminal entity even under Russian law, not just international. So there's that. That a Westerner can even consider that a criminal entity could lead a large country, while simultaneously, chastising Russia's neighbors for not supplicating harder, that is mighty rich.

    Second, most likely nobody will let him anywhere near real power, right now, he is just trying to save himself by gathering support from the vatnik public (Putin's electorate essentially). Most likely the FSB will select some grey suit as president (some Mishustin or Sobyanin). Of course, if there is a smuta (chaos), then Prigozhin could gain some power, but this would most likely be in a form of some smaller chunk of land under his rule, maybe with an oil field in it or a kimberlite pipe with diamonds. Prigozhin could only try to take on Kremlin if he had some support from siloviks (if siloviks got weaker than they are now and some of them sided with him, which is not unrealistic because some in Rosgvardia most likely support him). But at that point he will not be the only one who will try to make this kind of an appeal to the people and the siloviks.

    So it is not yet a given that it will be a hardliner, we don't know how severely the Russian army will be crushed. And what will be left over.


    to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.
     
    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before, no matter who will get to be in charge, but it doesn't mean that someone like Prigozhin and the vatnik mass will not remain hostile to their neighbors. And the West in general.

    Replies: @Mikel

  893. @Mikel
    @LatW

    You don't understand. What I said in my original comment is that if this war leads to a change of rule in Moscow, in which everybody seems to think that some sort of hardliner is much more likely to come on top than a liberal, Prigozhin may turn out to be better than Putin for peace and stability. In fact, I think that a man like him must perfectly understand that the SMO was a terrible idea and that ordinary Ukrainians now hate Russians with a passion, whatever he says on camera. But that is not "supporting" him. In fact, if I had a say in the matter I would much prefer Navalny or Chubais. I don't know how good that would be for Russia but for the rest of the world a return to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.

    Replies: @LatW

    First of all, Wagner is a criminal entity even under Russian law, not just international. So there’s that. That a Westerner can even consider that a criminal entity could lead a large country, while simultaneously, chastising Russia’s neighbors for not supplicating harder, that is mighty rich.

    Second, most likely nobody will let him anywhere near real power, right now, he is just trying to save himself by gathering support from the vatnik public (Putin’s electorate essentially). Most likely the FSB will select some grey suit as president (some Mishustin or Sobyanin). Of course, if there is a smuta (chaos), then Prigozhin could gain some power, but this would most likely be in a form of some smaller chunk of land under his rule, maybe with an oil field in it or a kimberlite pipe with diamonds. Prigozhin could only try to take on Kremlin if he had some support from siloviks (if siloviks got weaker than they are now and some of them sided with him, which is not unrealistic because some in Rosgvardia most likely support him). But at that point he will not be the only one who will try to make this kind of an appeal to the people and the siloviks.

    So it is not yet a given that it will be a hardliner, we don’t know how severely the Russian army will be crushed. And what will be left over.

    to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.

    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before, no matter who will get to be in charge, but it doesn’t mean that someone like Prigozhin and the vatnik mass will not remain hostile to their neighbors. And the West in general.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before
     
    German Reader is right. You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear. If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war. Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears in a radioactive cloud and Utah, with its multiple military targets for a first strike scenario, could follow the same fate. What else do you want from us?? That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  894. @LatW
    @Mikel

    First of all, Wagner is a criminal entity even under Russian law, not just international. So there's that. That a Westerner can even consider that a criminal entity could lead a large country, while simultaneously, chastising Russia's neighbors for not supplicating harder, that is mighty rich.

    Second, most likely nobody will let him anywhere near real power, right now, he is just trying to save himself by gathering support from the vatnik public (Putin's electorate essentially). Most likely the FSB will select some grey suit as president (some Mishustin or Sobyanin). Of course, if there is a smuta (chaos), then Prigozhin could gain some power, but this would most likely be in a form of some smaller chunk of land under his rule, maybe with an oil field in it or a kimberlite pipe with diamonds. Prigozhin could only try to take on Kremlin if he had some support from siloviks (if siloviks got weaker than they are now and some of them sided with him, which is not unrealistic because some in Rosgvardia most likely support him). But at that point he will not be the only one who will try to make this kind of an appeal to the people and the siloviks.

    So it is not yet a given that it will be a hardliner, we don't know how severely the Russian army will be crushed. And what will be left over.


    to the 90s would be much better than the return to the Cuban missile crisis that we have now.
     
    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before, no matter who will get to be in charge, but it doesn't mean that someone like Prigozhin and the vatnik mass will not remain hostile to their neighbors. And the West in general.

    Replies: @Mikel

    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before

    German Reader is right. You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear. If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war. Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears in a radioactive cloud and Utah, with its multiple military targets for a first strike scenario, could follow the same fate. What else do you want from us?? That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear.
     
    It's not about humiliating him, it's about keeping him at bay, in his own territory (which he has plenty of). So he doesn't come in and kill Ukrainian children. You are simply deliberately refusing to see this basic truth. The whole world sees it but you don't.

    If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.
     
    This is still speculative (you do not have full knowledge of Russia's internal situation), but I will neither oppose this nor accept it as a given.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war.
     
    You are fresh off the boat, you're not an Anglo-American and you never committed to anything, since I'm more than convinced that you were against NATO expansion. You do not speak for the United States.

    Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears
     
    As a matter of fact, my people, too, have a millenary culture. But I understand that you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night. You could still sleep at night if you didn't allow Russian nuclear bluff rile you up so much. The solution to this problem should've been to not disarm Ukraine in 1993.

    Utah
     
    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.

    What else do you want from us??
     
    What I want from you is never going to happen - I want you to stop being such hypocrites. That you can write for years on this forum, lecturing Eastern Europeans about "human rights" or how one should run their country, or dissecting every little bit about how awful Ukrainians are, yet you turn around and call people like Prigozhin "better than Putin". And your excuse for calling him better than Putin is merely the fact that he is supposedly just more realist. Nevermind that the reason for him being realist is his own ambition, his own fear of being forced to stay in Bakhmut. Nevermind that he is calling on the state to "fight the war for real", long term, which would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths (and still wouldn't diminish the threat of nuclear war).

    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn't observe international norms.


    That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?
     
    No, I want to hear from you just once, genuinely, that it is not ok to rattle with the nukes the way Russia has been doing for the last 30 years. But, of course, you won't. You're incapable of it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader

    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense
     
    Oh, and don't single out one country here - this is much larger than that. Tens of millions have been threatened by the current Russian regime. Many have an issue with him now and many don't like him in his current state. If it were just about one small country, we wouldn't even be discussing it here.

    Replies: @AP

  895. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before
     
    German Reader is right. You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear. If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war. Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears in a radioactive cloud and Utah, with its multiple military targets for a first strike scenario, could follow the same fate. What else do you want from us?? That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear.

    It’s not about humiliating him, it’s about keeping him at bay, in his own territory (which he has plenty of). So he doesn’t come in and kill Ukrainian children. You are simply deliberately refusing to see this basic truth. The whole world sees it but you don’t.

    If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.

    This is still speculative (you do not have full knowledge of Russia’s internal situation), but I will neither oppose this nor accept it as a given.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war.

    You are fresh off the boat, you’re not an Anglo-American and you never committed to anything, since I’m more than convinced that you were against NATO expansion. You do not speak for the United States.

    Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears

    As a matter of fact, my people, too, have a millenary culture. But I understand that you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night. You could still sleep at night if you didn’t allow Russian nuclear bluff rile you up so much. The solution to this problem should’ve been to not disarm Ukraine in 1993.

    Utah

    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.

    What else do you want from us??

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites. That you can write for years on this forum, lecturing Eastern Europeans about “human rights” or how one should run their country, or dissecting every little bit about how awful Ukrainians are, yet you turn around and call people like Prigozhin “better than Putin”. And your excuse for calling him better than Putin is merely the fact that he is supposedly just more realist. Nevermind that the reason for him being realist is his own ambition, his own fear of being forced to stay in Bakhmut. Nevermind that he is calling on the state to “fight the war for real”, long term, which would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths (and still wouldn’t diminish the threat of nuclear war).

    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn’t observe international norms.

    That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?

    No, I want to hear from you just once, genuinely, that it is not ok to rattle with the nukes the way Russia has been doing for the last 30 years. But, of course, you won’t. You’re incapable of it.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    you never committed to anything
     
    Exactly. Nobody ever asked me or the other hundreds of millions of interested parties anything. It was all cooked up in much higher spheres than the ordinary citizenry. But I couldn't have cared less at the time. I didn't think that our leaders would be so insane as to throw in the trash bin the best opportunity humanity has known of leaving behind the nuclear holocaust threat.

    My country does not have any military anyway. The Spaniards "kindly" volunteered to take that task from us and they were as enthusiastic as anyone else to expand NATO towards Russia. Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn't attack you and willing, if the need arises, to act as a tripwire and lead us all to a confrontation where my people, both in the old and the new country (but especially in the former) could disappear for your independence.

    That is the plain truth, apparently too inconvenient for you to recognize.

    you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night
     
    What a disgusting accusation to someone who has spoken up here against the Russian atrocities from day one and received abuse from all the resident Putinists for that reason. Are your hormonal levels misadjusted?

    In any case, I sleep very well at night, thank you. Apparently much better than you, who are commenting here at a very unusual time for a Latvian. If your doctor tells you that your cholesterol levels are high you're not going to stop sleeping because now your chances of a cardiac event are 5%, unless you're a hypochondriac, but you do have a concern that you didn't have before and it's real. Cholesterol levels don't usually stop climbing by just not thinking about them. Much less by not talking about them to avoid irritating someone in Latvia. Thanks to this preventable war, the "cholesterol levels" of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    And speaking of killing children, you have just decided to mention the one thing that separates us in all this. I am against Russia's killing of innocent people as much as I was against the same behavior by the Ukrainians in Donbas. You, on the contrary, only oppose Russia's killing of children now but defended the Ukrainians when they did it. The one who is OK with killing children, depending on who does it and why, is you, not me, as our commenting history proves.

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites.
     
    As expected. Far from showing any gratitude, it's you who thinks that you can lecture Westerners who complain about this idiotic situation of a nuclear threat due to NATO's interventionism and the superpower dreams of your neighbor.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Dmitry

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn’t observe international norms.
     
    There's a really simple reason for that: Russia isn't supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally (despite no treaty of alliance existing), in fact the opposite. Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine, if the support is to continue.
    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine (and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably), unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects, no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side. Sorry, it shouldn't work like that in international relations. And frankly, the sense of entitlement coming from you Balts especially is just sickening. You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO, you're a liability, essentially charity dependents. The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment. Other than that, you should just shut up.

    Replies: @LatW

  896. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    After the defeat, they will no longer be able to threaten in the way that they were able to before
     
    German Reader is right. You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear. If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war. Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears in a radioactive cloud and Utah, with its multiple military targets for a first strike scenario, could follow the same fate. What else do you want from us?? That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense

    Oh, and don’t single out one country here – this is much larger than that. Tens of millions have been threatened by the current Russian regime. Many have an issue with him now and many don’t like him in his current state. If it were just about one small country, we wouldn’t even be discussing it here.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    Indeed, all the European countries that border Russia (and know Russia best) other than Russified Belarus have been very alarmed and have responded accordingly. Finland has joined NATO, Poland has skyrocketed its defense, the Balts have helped Ukraine enormously. Clearly if every country that borders Russia behaves a certain way, the problem is with Russia.


    Utah

    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.
     
    Indeed, and I strongly suspect that Mikel's American-born neighbors are more supportive of Ukraine than he is.

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    This thread crashes on my phone, and I will be away from my PC for awhile so any responses should be on the next thread, please.
  897. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?
     
    This is by no means over yet. Putin could still make Hitler's actions look like child's play. And it all depends on how level headed we are.

    But not really, I was comparing you to the people who didn't believe the Nazis would try to exterminate the Jews or the people who a year and a half ago didn't think that Putin would invade Ukraine. Actually, that would be you, wouldn't it? You were wrong then and you may well be wrong now again. But the stakes for the world are much higher in this current prediction of yours.

    You seem to think that a nuclear power has the right to invade any neighbor and do what it wants
     
    Not at all. But please get your feet on the ground. Of course nuclear powers get to do things that the rest can't. They may have stopped the Soviet invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, who knows, but Eisenhower and Johnson (nor exactly doves) had the same understanding that I do now. Everybody did back then. Now idiocy prevails, in this like in so many other subjects.

    Replies: @AP

    “Now you are comparing Putin to Hitler?”

    This is by no means over yet. Putin could still make Hitler’s actions look like child’s play.

    Putin is in his seventies and has been in power for 24. Neither he nor his people are fanatical like Hitler et al. What an absurd comparison.

    But not really, I was comparing you to the people who didn’t believe the Nazis would try to exterminate the Jews

    Because a quick, bloodless invasion (what Putin believed would happen, as evidenced by the nature of the invasion force) is comparable to the extermination of 6 million Jews.

    The mental gymnastics needed to defend the idea that Ukraine ought to be abandoned because Putin might nuke the world are rather incredible.

    Actually, that would be you, wouldn’t it? You were wrong then and you may well be wrong now again

    I was not wrong in a way that would be relevant here.

    I was wrong because I assumed that Putin would know that the invasion would be hard and very bloody, so he wouldn’t do it.

    Instead, Putin ignorantly believed that it would be quick and relatively bloodless (like Czechoslovakia 1968) as is shown by the low number of troops he used, presence of riot [police being sent to Kiev, etc. That’s the behavior of an opportunist, not a fanatic willing to nuke himself and the rest of the world.

  898. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it’s like someone telling about ” statistical evidence or rigor” of astrology,
     
    https://youtu.be/lev8dGnxvdw

    For example, it’s possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.
     
    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.

    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.
     
    There is no evidence in the literature to suggest that valuing education has any menaingful impact on IQ scores. The environmental factors are more due to nutrition, exposure to stimuli and parasitic load - all of which are maxed out in first world countries. The potential contribution of formal schooling has already been realized in the developed world with the advent of universal twelve-year systems.

    Do Ashkenazis Jews score 7-10 points higher than East Asians because they value education more?

    Do they value education more in the first place? If so, why? If it’s theological in basis, then why does the same not apply to Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews?

    Again, this is assuming that valuing education results in higher IQs, which hasn’t been demonstrated.

    https://twitter.com/NoahCarl90/status/1638650063873527808?s=20

    , @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.
     
    I realized you may have been addressing the question of why Asians outperform whites in income.

    But that’s not the question I raised in my previous comment.

    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.

    Replies: @Max Payne, @Ron Unz

  899. AP says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense
     
    Oh, and don't single out one country here - this is much larger than that. Tens of millions have been threatened by the current Russian regime. Many have an issue with him now and many don't like him in his current state. If it were just about one small country, we wouldn't even be discussing it here.

    Replies: @AP

    Indeed, all the European countries that border Russia (and know Russia best) other than Russified Belarus have been very alarmed and have responded accordingly. Finland has joined NATO, Poland has skyrocketed its defense, the Balts have helped Ukraine enormously. Clearly if every country that borders Russia behaves a certain way, the problem is with Russia.

    Utah

    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.

    Indeed, and I strongly suspect that Mikel’s American-born neighbors are more supportive of Ukraine than he is.

    :::::::::::::::::::::

    This thread crashes on my phone, and I will be away from my PC for awhile so any responses should be on the next thread, please.

  900. @LatW
    @Mikel


    You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear.
     
    It's not about humiliating him, it's about keeping him at bay, in his own territory (which he has plenty of). So he doesn't come in and kill Ukrainian children. You are simply deliberately refusing to see this basic truth. The whole world sees it but you don't.

    If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.
     
    This is still speculative (you do not have full knowledge of Russia's internal situation), but I will neither oppose this nor accept it as a given.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war.
     
    You are fresh off the boat, you're not an Anglo-American and you never committed to anything, since I'm more than convinced that you were against NATO expansion. You do not speak for the United States.

    Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears
     
    As a matter of fact, my people, too, have a millenary culture. But I understand that you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night. You could still sleep at night if you didn't allow Russian nuclear bluff rile you up so much. The solution to this problem should've been to not disarm Ukraine in 1993.

    Utah
     
    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.

    What else do you want from us??
     
    What I want from you is never going to happen - I want you to stop being such hypocrites. That you can write for years on this forum, lecturing Eastern Europeans about "human rights" or how one should run their country, or dissecting every little bit about how awful Ukrainians are, yet you turn around and call people like Prigozhin "better than Putin". And your excuse for calling him better than Putin is merely the fact that he is supposedly just more realist. Nevermind that the reason for him being realist is his own ambition, his own fear of being forced to stay in Bakhmut. Nevermind that he is calling on the state to "fight the war for real", long term, which would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths (and still wouldn't diminish the threat of nuclear war).

    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn't observe international norms.


    That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?
     
    No, I want to hear from you just once, genuinely, that it is not ok to rattle with the nukes the way Russia has been doing for the last 30 years. But, of course, you won't. You're incapable of it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader

    you never committed to anything

    Exactly. Nobody ever asked me or the other hundreds of millions of interested parties anything. It was all cooked up in much higher spheres than the ordinary citizenry. But I couldn’t have cared less at the time. I didn’t think that our leaders would be so insane as to throw in the trash bin the best opportunity humanity has known of leaving behind the nuclear holocaust threat.

    My country does not have any military anyway. The Spaniards “kindly” volunteered to take that task from us and they were as enthusiastic as anyone else to expand NATO towards Russia. Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn’t attack you and willing, if the need arises, to act as a tripwire and lead us all to a confrontation where my people, both in the old and the new country (but especially in the former) could disappear for your independence.

    That is the plain truth, apparently too inconvenient for you to recognize.

    you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night

    What a disgusting accusation to someone who has spoken up here against the Russian atrocities from day one and received abuse from all the resident Putinists for that reason. Are your hormonal levels misadjusted?

    In any case, I sleep very well at night, thank you. Apparently much better than you, who are commenting here at a very unusual time for a Latvian. If your doctor tells you that your cholesterol levels are high you’re not going to stop sleeping because now your chances of a cardiac event are 5%, unless you’re a hypochondriac, but you do have a concern that you didn’t have before and it’s real. Cholesterol levels don’t usually stop climbing by just not thinking about them. Much less by not talking about them to avoid irritating someone in Latvia. Thanks to this preventable war, the “cholesterol levels” of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    And speaking of killing children, you have just decided to mention the one thing that separates us in all this. I am against Russia’s killing of innocent people as much as I was against the same behavior by the Ukrainians in Donbas. You, on the contrary, only oppose Russia’s killing of children now but defended the Ukrainians when they did it. The one who is OK with killing children, depending on who does it and why, is you, not me, as our commenting history proves.

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites.

    As expected. Far from showing any gratitude, it’s you who thinks that you can lecture Westerners who complain about this idiotic situation of a nuclear threat due to NATO’s interventionism and the superpower dreams of your neighbor.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    but defended the Ukrainians when they did it.
     
    I have stated many many times that this was not the right approach and a huge tragedy and an injustice, but you deliberately choose to not see it, because it must feel good for you to be self-righteous.

    Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn’t attack you and willing
     
    Their numbers are not that high and there are other nationalities as well, not just Spanish so they are not the only ones who will prevent any dangers. There are many Eastern Europeans as well.

    Besides we have our own really fantastic military. We are reintroducing the draft and we have a decent special forces unit, as well as very good riot police. Plus Ukrainian friends and potentially anti-imperialist Russian friends as well. It all adds up. It's not at all a situation where we owe everything to Westerners, especially not the Russophile ones, that's for sure.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    Thanks to this preventable war, the “cholesterol levels” of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.
     
    Try berberine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    I'm not a medical worker, but I would be sceptical wars in other countries, will be causing your cholesterol levels to increase.

    Probably exercise more, play tennis, swim twice a week, will have more effect for improving peoples' cholesterol than even world peace between all countries.

    Replies: @Mikel

  901. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    you never committed to anything
     
    Exactly. Nobody ever asked me or the other hundreds of millions of interested parties anything. It was all cooked up in much higher spheres than the ordinary citizenry. But I couldn't have cared less at the time. I didn't think that our leaders would be so insane as to throw in the trash bin the best opportunity humanity has known of leaving behind the nuclear holocaust threat.

    My country does not have any military anyway. The Spaniards "kindly" volunteered to take that task from us and they were as enthusiastic as anyone else to expand NATO towards Russia. Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn't attack you and willing, if the need arises, to act as a tripwire and lead us all to a confrontation where my people, both in the old and the new country (but especially in the former) could disappear for your independence.

    That is the plain truth, apparently too inconvenient for you to recognize.

    you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night
     
    What a disgusting accusation to someone who has spoken up here against the Russian atrocities from day one and received abuse from all the resident Putinists for that reason. Are your hormonal levels misadjusted?

    In any case, I sleep very well at night, thank you. Apparently much better than you, who are commenting here at a very unusual time for a Latvian. If your doctor tells you that your cholesterol levels are high you're not going to stop sleeping because now your chances of a cardiac event are 5%, unless you're a hypochondriac, but you do have a concern that you didn't have before and it's real. Cholesterol levels don't usually stop climbing by just not thinking about them. Much less by not talking about them to avoid irritating someone in Latvia. Thanks to this preventable war, the "cholesterol levels" of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    And speaking of killing children, you have just decided to mention the one thing that separates us in all this. I am against Russia's killing of innocent people as much as I was against the same behavior by the Ukrainians in Donbas. You, on the contrary, only oppose Russia's killing of children now but defended the Ukrainians when they did it. The one who is OK with killing children, depending on who does it and why, is you, not me, as our commenting history proves.

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites.
     
    As expected. Far from showing any gratitude, it's you who thinks that you can lecture Westerners who complain about this idiotic situation of a nuclear threat due to NATO's interventionism and the superpower dreams of your neighbor.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Dmitry

    but defended the Ukrainians when they did it.

    I have stated many many times that this was not the right approach and a huge tragedy and an injustice, but you deliberately choose to not see it, because it must feel good for you to be self-righteous.

    Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn’t attack you and willing

    Their numbers are not that high and there are other nationalities as well, not just Spanish so they are not the only ones who will prevent any dangers. There are many Eastern Europeans as well.

    Besides we have our own really fantastic military. We are reintroducing the draft and we have a decent special forces unit, as well as very good riot police. Plus Ukrainian friends and potentially anti-imperialist Russian friends as well. It all adds up. It’s not at all a situation where we owe everything to Westerners, especially not the Russophile ones, that’s for sure.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    LatW, Mikel is right. Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war. It is mostly a mafia gang turf war between the RusFed Noviop and their henchmen on one side, and US Neocon plus the Ukrainian Noviop and their henchmen. Both sides are amoral. Both sides play zero sum games and both sides do not care about civilians. Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces. It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment. You are similar to AP in this. You are both highly intelligent people, you are principled and you both have sound ethical standards. But your alignment makes you, despite your rather Russophile outlook on a lot of topics, a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine. Fact is, both sides are wrong un this conflict. This conflict didn't start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier. This conflict is not "Imperial Russia" invading Ukraine. There is no "Imperial Russia" since 1917 and the USSR is long dead. One of my Odessite friends got the right words about it : "проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир". This friend of mine nailed it alright despite didn't care about politics in general. It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer. Those who started it are scum. They are sociopaths playing geopolitical chess games with human lives. Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  902. @Mikel
    @LatW


    you never committed to anything
     
    Exactly. Nobody ever asked me or the other hundreds of millions of interested parties anything. It was all cooked up in much higher spheres than the ordinary citizenry. But I couldn't have cared less at the time. I didn't think that our leaders would be so insane as to throw in the trash bin the best opportunity humanity has known of leaving behind the nuclear holocaust threat.

    My country does not have any military anyway. The Spaniards "kindly" volunteered to take that task from us and they were as enthusiastic as anyone else to expand NATO towards Russia. Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn't attack you and willing, if the need arises, to act as a tripwire and lead us all to a confrontation where my people, both in the old and the new country (but especially in the former) could disappear for your independence.

    That is the plain truth, apparently too inconvenient for you to recognize.

    you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night
     
    What a disgusting accusation to someone who has spoken up here against the Russian atrocities from day one and received abuse from all the resident Putinists for that reason. Are your hormonal levels misadjusted?

    In any case, I sleep very well at night, thank you. Apparently much better than you, who are commenting here at a very unusual time for a Latvian. If your doctor tells you that your cholesterol levels are high you're not going to stop sleeping because now your chances of a cardiac event are 5%, unless you're a hypochondriac, but you do have a concern that you didn't have before and it's real. Cholesterol levels don't usually stop climbing by just not thinking about them. Much less by not talking about them to avoid irritating someone in Latvia. Thanks to this preventable war, the "cholesterol levels" of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    And speaking of killing children, you have just decided to mention the one thing that separates us in all this. I am against Russia's killing of innocent people as much as I was against the same behavior by the Ukrainians in Donbas. You, on the contrary, only oppose Russia's killing of children now but defended the Ukrainians when they did it. The one who is OK with killing children, depending on who does it and why, is you, not me, as our commenting history proves.

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites.
     
    As expected. Far from showing any gratitude, it's you who thinks that you can lecture Westerners who complain about this idiotic situation of a nuclear threat due to NATO's interventionism and the superpower dreams of your neighbor.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Dmitry

    Thanks to this preventable war, the “cholesterol levels” of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    Try berberine.

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    Try berberine.
     
    I've been thinking about it quite seriously as of late and you seem to be the only person that I know of that has. Please share with me whatever you know about this magical herb. How did you come about taking it, in what manner, has it helped etc etc. Duzhe Diakuu!

    Replies: @LatW

  903. @LatW
    @Mikel


    but defended the Ukrainians when they did it.
     
    I have stated many many times that this was not the right approach and a huge tragedy and an injustice, but you deliberately choose to not see it, because it must feel good for you to be self-righteous.

    Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn’t attack you and willing
     
    Their numbers are not that high and there are other nationalities as well, not just Spanish so they are not the only ones who will prevent any dangers. There are many Eastern Europeans as well.

    Besides we have our own really fantastic military. We are reintroducing the draft and we have a decent special forces unit, as well as very good riot police. Plus Ukrainian friends and potentially anti-imperialist Russian friends as well. It all adds up. It's not at all a situation where we owe everything to Westerners, especially not the Russophile ones, that's for sure.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    LatW, Mikel is right. Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war. It is mostly a mafia gang turf war between the RusFed Noviop and their henchmen on one side, and US Neocon plus the Ukrainian Noviop and their henchmen. Both sides are amoral. Both sides play zero sum games and both sides do not care about civilians. Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces. It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment. You are similar to AP in this. You are both highly intelligent people, you are principled and you both have sound ethical standards. But your alignment makes you, despite your rather Russophile outlook on a lot of topics, a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine. Fact is, both sides are wrong un this conflict. This conflict didn’t start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier. This conflict is not “Imperial Russia” invading Ukraine. There is no “Imperial Russia” since 1917 and the USSR is long dead. One of my Odessite friends got the right words about it : “проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир“. This friend of mine nailed it alright despite didn’t care about politics in general. It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer. Those who started it are scum. They are sociopaths playing geopolitical chess games with human lives. Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Since you seem to understand this conflict between Russia and Ukraine better than most, how do you think it should all end? Should the Ukrainian mafia just roll over and capitulate to all of RusFed's demands etc? BTW, what exactly do you see being RusFed's demands in this war? For Ukraine, its legitimate demands seem to be simply GTFO, and don't meddle with our internal problems.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war.
     
    Where have I ever said that there were no mistakes on the West's side? However, the West cannot be blamed for the incursion. Although if one considers that Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014 and that the West disarmed Ukraine, then maybe the West should be responsible after all.

    But the truth is, had the RusFed just annexed the two regions on top of Crimea, the West would have accepted it. They would have objected, of course, but they would not have done anything real about it.


    Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces.
     
    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life. So it would be weird of me to not support them. As to Donbas, I consider them mostly victims and have stated many many times, that I have sympathy for the innocent victims there and I was the only one who suggested that maybe the victims there should be compensated through the reparations. Of course, all of these statements were ignored by the likes of Mikel and all the others. But if you mean people such as Givi, then yea, I consider them strange and hostile external elements to Ukraine.

    It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment.
     
    I sometimes judge objectively regardless of my background, but of course that is not noticed.

    despite your rather Russophile outlook
     
    I'm Russophile despite everything that the RusFedian propagandists and vatniks have said and done, which is frankly a real miracle. Most are not that way, trust me.

    a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine.
     
    Ukraine and the Ukrainian culture have a right to exist. No less than the Russian or German culture.

    This conflict didn’t start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier.
     
    This conflict started hundreds of years ago and our Baltic conflict with you started with Ivan Grozny and the Livonian wars, if not earlier, probably even earlier. You know, I'm not dumb - I understand what happened in Maidan. We should've all parted in 1991 (maybe certain arrangements should've been made then but it is messy, there's a lot that goes into it besides just Crimea and Donbas). But you never accepted it as final it turns out. You should've been honest about it.

    This conflict is not “Imperial Russia” invading Ukraine. There is no “Imperial Russia” since 1917 and the USSR is long dead.
     
    I don't care what it is called, those are just words. What matters is what happens on the ground, on the ground soldiers from the RusFed side have trespassed and are even planting red flags in occupied territory. The fact that there are Chechens and Buryat with RusFed passports killing Ukrainian men and boys and even women is a great insult. But let's not pretend there are no ethnic Russians there.

    “проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир“
     
    I understand very well what they mean, there is truth to it, but only partially. What language do the invaders speak?

    It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer.
     
    There are definitely simulacra elements at play here, but there are also genuine ethnic interests on Ukraine's side.

    Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.
     
    Of course, not just Putin, but also Kovalchuk, Patrushev, the rabid and overpaid propagandists.

    But you would have to be more specific here for me to accept this. To just say there are clandestine groups that wish ill... let them come out then. That there are certain overseas groups that have interests, I am not denying that.

    But there is also a genuine striving to be free and there is real solidarity from the West. We are just tired of RusFed, it's been 30 years of hostility, we are tired and want change. We want to be free of this finally.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

  904. @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    LatW, Mikel is right. Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war. It is mostly a mafia gang turf war between the RusFed Noviop and their henchmen on one side, and US Neocon plus the Ukrainian Noviop and their henchmen. Both sides are amoral. Both sides play zero sum games and both sides do not care about civilians. Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces. It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment. You are similar to AP in this. You are both highly intelligent people, you are principled and you both have sound ethical standards. But your alignment makes you, despite your rather Russophile outlook on a lot of topics, a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine. Fact is, both sides are wrong un this conflict. This conflict didn't start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier. This conflict is not "Imperial Russia" invading Ukraine. There is no "Imperial Russia" since 1917 and the USSR is long dead. One of my Odessite friends got the right words about it : "проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир". This friend of mine nailed it alright despite didn't care about politics in general. It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer. Those who started it are scum. They are sociopaths playing geopolitical chess games with human lives. Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Since you seem to understand this conflict between Russia and Ukraine better than most, how do you think it should all end? Should the Ukrainian mafia just roll over and capitulate to all of RusFed’s demands etc? BTW, what exactly do you see being RusFed’s demands in this war? For Ukraine, its legitimate demands seem to be simply GTFO, and don’t meddle with our internal problems.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    There won't be either RusFed or Ukrostan by the end of the twenty-first century. Those who fought on both sides of this conflict did it all in vain and against the best interests of their ethnic and cultural groups. They should have worked peacefully together instead for the prosperity of their common ethnic kin. They were played by those who despise them and see them all as лохи. It is a sad and tragic situation. But life goes on...

    https://youtu.be/TaDbMZlN2Pg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  905. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    Since you seem to understand this conflict between Russia and Ukraine better than most, how do you think it should all end? Should the Ukrainian mafia just roll over and capitulate to all of RusFed's demands etc? BTW, what exactly do you see being RusFed's demands in this war? For Ukraine, its legitimate demands seem to be simply GTFO, and don't meddle with our internal problems.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    There won’t be either RusFed or Ukrostan by the end of the twenty-first century. Those who fought on both sides of this conflict did it all in vain and against the best interests of their ethnic and cultural groups. They should have worked peacefully together instead for the prosperity of their common ethnic kin. They were played by those who despise them and see them all as лохи. It is a sad and tragic situation. But life goes on…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    I'm disappointed in you. You're a person who can clearly see more than 75 years into the future as to the definitive fates of both Russia and Ukraine, but yet doesn't seem to have a clue a to what should transpire in the near future as to the conclusion of the current war? Please reread my questions to you in my comment #919 and try to respond again. Thanks.

  906. @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.
     
    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    There is no evidence in the literature to suggest that valuing education has any menaingful impact on IQ scores. The environmental factors are more due to nutrition, exposure to stimuli and parasitic load – all of which are maxed out in first world countries. The potential contribution of formal schooling has already been realized in the developed world with the advent of universal twelve-year systems.

    Do Ashkenazis Jews score 7-10 points higher than East Asians because they value education more?

    Do they value education more in the first place? If so, why? If it’s theological in basis, then why does the same not apply to Sephardic or Mizrahi Jews?

    Again, this is assuming that valuing education results in higher IQs, which hasn’t been demonstrated.

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  907. @Yevardian
    @Yahya


    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.
     
    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Yahya

    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.

    I realized you may have been addressing the question of why Asians outperform whites in income.

    But that’s not the question I raised in my previous comment.

    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.

    • Replies: @Max Payne
    @Yahya

    This has nothing to do with the current discussion you are having about the difference in IQ between Asian and Whites.



    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.

    It's quite curious. I rarely can find an Arab who has ever taken that stance. I have to wonder if the current softening of the Arab world is not due to the young nouveau-riche that have fallen to the long-game PSYOPs of "Israel isn't so bad".

    Most things I hear from Arabs are:
    -Arabs have been occupied by Turks, Brits, et. al and have never been truly free.
    -The British split the Arab world in 22 (or 24, can't recall) nations as part of their plan
    -Since Israel any independent stable working government/entity must be destroyed, harassed, etc. Syria, Iraq, Libya vs Jordan (UK-connections/marriage), Saudi Arabia (UK/US alliance), Egypt (Mubarak/Sisi both seem US friendly).

    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?

    I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood lasted a whole year before the CIA-approved Sisi junta came into power if I recall correctly..... (classic playbook, an officer once trained in the US takes government). Does anyone comment on this in Egypt or is the media totally denied to point out the obvious? Also any particular reason why Egypt is blowing money on the 'Octagon'? Bigger-er and better-er than the Pentagon I see... but still just 5 minutes away from the capital; can't be bothered with strategically remote locations....

    With the levels of corruption in Egypt do you not factor the large commitments organizations such as the CIA have in Egypt (to protect Israel)? Do Egyptians really see their military as something independent (consider the heavy ties it has to the US in procurement and training)?

    Does the Egyptian military act in the same manner as the silovik culture that holds the Russian state together? I don't think it does considering from outside perspective it's been infiltrated by many nations to some degree or another.

    I'm not saying Israel is to blame as it is true Arabs need to step up (in a lot of areas) but surely Israel is not helping uplift the Middle East (opposite in fact with assassinations, economic espionage, strikes on critical facilities, and near-total military hegemony thanks to the US.... not to mention the Israeli-beneficial wars across the Middle East that produce refugees that go wherever they can and the brain drain of those with means to immigrate to the West).

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?

    And yet even now as Israeli tourists raid Arab hotels of towels and TVs do the young people of the Middle East no longer see this apparent truth? Just out of strategic necessity Israel must destabilize the region at all costs. This has no play or factor in the overall landscape in your mind?

    Replies: @Yahya

    , @Ron Unz
    @Yahya


    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.
     
    Someone brought to my attention that there was a heavy discussion of IQ issues on this thread, including focus on work of Lynn/Vanhanen and La Griffe du Lion. He was quite surprised that the participants seemed unaware of my own series of articles from about a decade ago that I think drastically transformed the IQ debate. I strongly suggest that all of you should take a look at this first couple of pieces, with the follow-ups linked at the bottom:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-east-asian-exception-to-socio-economic-iq-influences/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/
  908. @sudden death
    @songbird

    So far doesn't look that much radically different from 2019 pre-covidian quarter by quarter dynamics:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fw1QuwsWIAMJ-IK.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    Germany was never the healthy powerhouse they said it was. (At least not in many decades). Am sure they are underestimating the shrinkage (for example due to underestimating inflation), and it will get worse.

    They are chirruping about green investments that will turn the economy around. Doesn’t seem very probable to me. Actually seems pretty dumb. Some electric car battery factory, if it works out at all, is not going to prop up traditional combustion supply chains. Wind and solar are only believed in by fanatic ideologues, at that latitude.

    It will get worse.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Germany has officially entered recession.
    I agree, unless something changes drastically, Germany is screwed; large number of mid-level companies (the backbone of the German economy, essentially established in the imperial era more than a century ago) are reportedly already considering leaving the country because of the energy situation and over factors like over-regulation. Much of it is due to internal factors, but the geopolitical situation doesn't help either. Blowing up Nordstream was pretty gratuitious.
    But no point telling that to sudden death, he sees only what he wants to see.

  909. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @sudden death

    Germany was never the healthy powerhouse they said it was. (At least not in many decades). Am sure they are underestimating the shrinkage (for example due to underestimating inflation), and it will get worse.

    They are chirruping about green investments that will turn the economy around. Doesn't seem very probable to me. Actually seems pretty dumb. Some electric car battery factory, if it works out at all, is not going to prop up traditional combustion supply chains. Wind and solar are only believed in by fanatic ideologues, at that latitude.

    It will get worse.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Germany has officially entered recession.
    I agree, unless something changes drastically, Germany is screwed; large number of mid-level companies (the backbone of the German economy, essentially established in the imperial era more than a century ago) are reportedly already considering leaving the country because of the energy situation and over factors like over-regulation. Much of it is due to internal factors, but the geopolitical situation doesn’t help either. Blowing up Nordstream was pretty gratuitious.
    But no point telling that to sudden death, he sees only what he wants to see.

    • Thanks: songbird
  910. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    There won't be either RusFed or Ukrostan by the end of the twenty-first century. Those who fought on both sides of this conflict did it all in vain and against the best interests of their ethnic and cultural groups. They should have worked peacefully together instead for the prosperity of their common ethnic kin. They were played by those who despise them and see them all as лохи. It is a sad and tragic situation. But life goes on...

    https://youtu.be/TaDbMZlN2Pg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m disappointed in you. You’re a person who can clearly see more than 75 years into the future as to the definitive fates of both Russia and Ukraine, but yet doesn’t seem to have a clue a to what should transpire in the near future as to the conclusion of the current war? Please reread my questions to you in my comment #919 and try to respond again. Thanks.

  911. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    You guys live in a parallel universe where the only thing that matters is humiliating the bad Russian bear.
     
    It's not about humiliating him, it's about keeping him at bay, in his own territory (which he has plenty of). So he doesn't come in and kill Ukrainian children. You are simply deliberately refusing to see this basic truth. The whole world sees it but you don't.

    If the Russians are defeated conventionally everybody in the rest of the world understands that the threat of them resorting to their nuclear trump card increases, not decreases.
     
    This is still speculative (you do not have full knowledge of Russia's internal situation), but I will neither oppose this nor accept it as a given.

    As a matter of fact, if Russia invaded Latvia, we have committed ourselves to go to your defense, even if that means nuclear war.
     
    You are fresh off the boat, you're not an Anglo-American and you never committed to anything, since I'm more than convinced that you were against NATO expansion. You do not speak for the United States.

    Defending the independence of your country could well mean that the Basque Country with its millenary culture disappears
     
    As a matter of fact, my people, too, have a millenary culture. But I understand that you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night. You could still sleep at night if you didn't allow Russian nuclear bluff rile you up so much. The solution to this problem should've been to not disarm Ukraine in 1993.

    Utah
     
    As I said, you do not speak for all Americans.

    What else do you want from us??
     
    What I want from you is never going to happen - I want you to stop being such hypocrites. That you can write for years on this forum, lecturing Eastern Europeans about "human rights" or how one should run their country, or dissecting every little bit about how awful Ukrainians are, yet you turn around and call people like Prigozhin "better than Putin". And your excuse for calling him better than Putin is merely the fact that he is supposedly just more realist. Nevermind that the reason for him being realist is his own ambition, his own fear of being forced to stay in Bakhmut. Nevermind that he is calling on the state to "fight the war for real", long term, which would result in hundreds of thousands of deaths (and still wouldn't diminish the threat of nuclear war).

    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn't observe international norms.


    That we also shut up and pretend that all of the above is not true?
     
    No, I want to hear from you just once, genuinely, that it is not ok to rattle with the nukes the way Russia has been doing for the last 30 years. But, of course, you won't. You're incapable of it.

    Replies: @Mikel, @German_reader

    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn’t observe international norms.

    There’s a really simple reason for that: Russia isn’t supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally (despite no treaty of alliance existing), in fact the opposite. Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine, if the support is to continue.
    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine (and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably), unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects, no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side. Sorry, it shouldn’t work like that in international relations. And frankly, the sense of entitlement coming from you Balts especially is just sickening. You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO, you’re a liability, essentially charity dependents. The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment. Other than that, you should just shut up.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    There’s a really simple reason for that: Russia isn’t supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally
     
    Not anymore, but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently. You have yourself admitted that this relationship was more important to you than the relationship with the EE and that you respected Russia more because it has natural resources and is a "more serous country". Ok, I accept that - thank you for that kind of honesty, I wish everyone who felt that way said it openly.

    But then be honest and straightforward all the way - quit with the human rights lecturing. Then you do not determine the civilizational norms and parameters but you run your foreign policy based on what is convenient. Because all these years it was one set of rules for the EE, another set of rules for Russia. I understand that those who are inside of the EU, must abide by much higher standards, however, the Western Europeans have always stated that they are the ones to lay down the civilizational guidelines (what is wrong or right), so you basically betrayed your own principles by catering to Russia. Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily. In fact, not you but we - because the Baltic states traded with Russia very intensively as well. My issue is that you have double standards morally. You should've treated Russia as Saudi Arabia, not like a potential strategic partner (which they essentially were to you). Until they start respecting basic freedoms.

    Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine
     
    When you criticize Ukraine, you need to do it objectively.

    Ukraine is a vital security buffer and after the war could be a provider of security in the EE. But I agree that Ukraine should be encouraged to improve its internal processes, they will have to if they want real investment with returns. My only worry is that Westernization could take away from their genuine character and they could become less martial in the future due to that.

    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine
     
    For now yes, because they are under enormous strain, however, if they want some kind of a fast track into the Western fold, they need to set aside institutional resources and work on it now. They are trying. Besides, it is not a blank check when they are dying. Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don't get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.

    and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably
     
    Well, in the case of the Baltic States and Poland, our own military budgets have been growing considerably. The Baltic States now have mutual military projects on their own as well (building out training grounds, common purchases for the air defense, the Livonian shield, there will be increase in troops). Not to mention Poland who will have it even better with their own efforts.

    unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects
     
    They're not really nationalist projects. Not by my definition at least. A true nationalist project would look slightly different, to put it mildly. We must have different definitions of nationalism or you're seeing something that I'm not. Or vice versa.

    no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side
     
    No obligations? Are you kidding me? You want me to list all the obligations we have fulfilled since 1991? No criticism ever?? Are you serious, you're able to say this to me with a straight face? You obviously are completely ignorant how politics works and how it's been diplomatically over the years (maybe not now, but previously definitely). Now in hindsight, seeing people such as yourself and other similar "Russia lovers", I regret that we ever listened to your government on all issues.

    Sorry, it shouldn’t work like that in international relations.
     
    It also shouldn't work that you should dominate by default, as you seem to believe you should.

    You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO
     
    That's just not true. We contribute a safe space for money flows that are connected with Scandinavia, Germany and through there further with the UK and the US. We contribute in terms of easier potential access to the Arctic. We contribute in preservation of European heritage. With open space for trade. One thing that you haven't noticed is that we have never since 2004, agreed for any serious weaponry to be placed in the Baltic States, this is not just because the Americans don't want to - it's also because the people are relatively peaceful and may not have even wanted a heavy military build up prior to 2022. Essentially it has been NATO without real tangible military investment, just in words. Yet with full access to the Westerners.

    The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment.
     
    As an FIY, you are speaking with a nationalist here, not some liberal Atlanticist. Right now when the war is raging, we should probably have some Western troops stationed (their numbers are still very small, btw). But in general it is not my preference. My preference has always been to increase the number and skills of the local troops. And combined purchases of all three Baltic states for more expensive equipment. If any foreign troops should be present it should be Polish and Ukrainian, or even anti-imperialist Russian ones. Obviously this differs from the mainstream opinion. As to NATO, if they don't want to protect us, they should also not be allowed access to this territory (no info sharing, no trade preferences). That means Lidl and others shouldn't be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains. You wouldn't be allowed to compete with our pharmaceuticals, even banking and all the other stuff either. This is not my preference because I like Germany and German product, but that's what it would mean if there was no NATO - protectionism (and hopefully real nationalism).

    By the way, your opinion really differs from the one of the German officers who visit. Recently one of them said it is his "duty" to protect the Baltic States. Things on the ground are very very different than on his website. There is a lot of understanding and friendship in real life. There is an even stronger mutual solidarity now after 2022.

    Replies: @German_reader

  912. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Thanks to this preventable war, the “cholesterol levels” of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.
     
    Try berberine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Try berberine.

    I’ve been thinking about it quite seriously as of late and you seem to be the only person that I know of that has. Please share with me whatever you know about this magical herb. How did you come about taking it, in what manner, has it helped etc etc. Duzhe Diakuu!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Please share with me whatever you know about this magical herb.
     
    Oh, dear Hack, I wish I could give you something tangible here, but I don't really have any empirical proof of how berberine works, I did not bother to do a blood test after taking it to see if it made any difference (my blood panel has been almost ideal for years anyway and I have never had high blood sugar). I took it for a couple of months daily. I heard about this through someone I knew who had health issues and decided to treat them homeopathically, without heavier drugs so they knew like a 100 different supplement types. Apparently, berberine helps keep blood sugar & cholesterol levels in check, helps reduce food cravings. I have no way to prove this since I only took it for a short while (and didn't notice any apparent changes, lol). And, frankly, I'm not sure it works better for reducing cravings than let's say the paleo diet.

    There is another supplement though that I like even better that I can share with you - meldonium. But it is not available in the US (it's considered a sports drug but it's not really in that heavy category, I do not bring it into the US out of respect for the US). If you went to Ukraine, you may find it there. It was created by a Latvian chemist in the 1970s and is mass produced (under the name Mildronat). It's popular in the EE. It is meant to strengthen one's heart muscle and help maintain overall strength. I take it about once a year through IV, again, one doesn't really feel anything, nor do I really need it, it just feels good to take it. I wish we would give this to the Ukrainian soldiers who will visit for rehabilitation. It may or may not work. :)
  913. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    The situation is much more unstable, and therefore the risk much higher than during most of the Cold War (except maybe the earliest phase, and of course the Cuban missile crisis). Russia is of course much weaker than the Soviet Union, but that actually brings greater dangers, since some at least in the West think this is the opportunity to permanently cripple Russia as a great power, so there’s a temptation to get ever more directly involved in Ukraine
     
    Well, unlike in the Cold War, Russia's elites have half of their wives and children in the West.

    But ultimately, nuclear war with the West means that everyone's family dies, no matter where they are. What would lead to that? Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn't going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea. Or Belgorod.

    So it won't use nukes against the West. You are safe, in Germany.

    Certainly during the Cold War almost no one in the West would have considered it an acceptable risk to engage in a proxy war right next to Russia’s historic core territories (there wasn’t even intervention in Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 after all)
     
    Didn't the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary? Czechoslovakia was too fast. The West might not have done much for Ukraine, if Ukraine had been swiftly occupied.

    Nor did Soviet leaders normalize the idea of using nuclear weapons to such a degree in their rhetoric, another ominous development
     
    Russia doesn't have much of a conventional military, but it has nukes and rhetoric. This an scare some people, so it is useful and is used.

    "Again, in a desperate struggle for existence, one caused by Russia, all measures are acceptable."

    I don’t agree with that characterization of the conflict at all. “Desperate struggle for existence” makes it sound like something along the lines of Poland’s occupation by Germany during WW2
     
    Cultural not physical genocide for Ukraine. End of Ukrainian statehood, 10+ million refugees, thousands executed (not millions or even 10,000s, but bad enough), etc. etc. No, not German occupation of Poland during World War II, more like German occupation of Bohemia (for Czechs, no Jews in the equation). Bad enough that the leaders should do all they can to prevent it and to get as much help as possible.

    Even less so now; unless something drastically changes again, this is essentially a struggle over control of limited areas in Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine.
     
    Thanks in large part to all the efforts that were made and the weapons that were delivered, that were viewed as unacceptable early in the war.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms - that is, ones that would not reward aggression and invasion with territory. Rather than enough to keep the war going, keep people dying, for a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel, @German_reader

    Nothing remotely involving the war in Ukraine. Russia isn’t going to extinguish itself and condemn most of its people to a fiery death even over Crimea.

    A nuclear war presumably wouldn’t start with the intent to initiate a full-on strategic exchange. I would begin in incremental steps, probably first tactical nukes on the battlefield in Ukraine, then a Western response to that. Decisions would be taken in short time frames, under pressure and possibly based on limited or even false information (e. g. Putin could believe the US has initiated a nuclear decapitation strike against the Russian leadership and Russia’s nuclear forces, then it would be a question of making a decision within minutes to launch nuclear missiles, before they might be destroyed; the Russian fear seems to be that their 2nd strike capability isn’t assured). A lot of opportunities for miscalculations. And at some point those making the decisions might not even care about anything like their own families anymore, it might be a matter of principle, not to let the other side go unpunished for its supposed transgressions.
    You put far too much trust in rational behaviour among those making the decisions (all the more surprising, since you never argue for restraint when it comes to your own side, essentially you’re just hoping that Putin and his circle will do the supposedly rational thing).

    Didn’t the Suez crisis prevent intervention in Hungary?

    That’s news to me. I don’t think it’s the standard view that Suez was decisive and that Western powers would otherwise have intervened in Hungary (which almost certainly would have triggered WW3).

    You are safe, in Germany.

    Germany is deeply implicated in this conflict, not just through arms shipments to Ukraine, but also through training Ukrainian troops and housing NATO command structures on its territory. It’s also a country which has no independent means of deterrence or retaliation against a nuclear attack. Even if Russia and the US would ultimately recoil from a full-on strategic exchange destroying their national territories, central Europe might still be devastated.

    The goal now is to get enough arms to enable a decisive victory, one that would force Russia to seek peace on reasonable terms

    I’m not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself) things might get very dangerous. Ukraine’s government has shown no willingness at all to exercise the restraint that would be necessary in such a situation, and many of its Western supporters are egging them on to take maximalist positions.
    It may all remain academic anyway, I’m not convinced Ukraine will actually be able to conquer Crimea. But there still needs to be a discussion about war aims, and Ukrainians and their hardline supporters can’t expect it’s them alone who are setting the terms of that debate.

  914. LatW says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    Try berberine.
     
    I've been thinking about it quite seriously as of late and you seem to be the only person that I know of that has. Please share with me whatever you know about this magical herb. How did you come about taking it, in what manner, has it helped etc etc. Duzhe Diakuu!

    Replies: @LatW

    Please share with me whatever you know about this magical herb.

    Oh, dear Hack, I wish I could give you something tangible here, but I don’t really have any empirical proof of how berberine works, I did not bother to do a blood test after taking it to see if it made any difference (my blood panel has been almost ideal for years anyway and I have never had high blood sugar). I took it for a couple of months daily. I heard about this through someone I knew who had health issues and decided to treat them homeopathically, without heavier drugs so they knew like a 100 different supplement types. Apparently, berberine helps keep blood sugar & cholesterol levels in check, helps reduce food cravings. I have no way to prove this since I only took it for a short while (and didn’t notice any apparent changes, lol). And, frankly, I’m not sure it works better for reducing cravings than let’s say the paleo diet.

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    There is another supplement though that I like even better that I can share with you – meldonium. But it is not available in the US (it’s considered a sports drug but it’s not really in that heavy category, I do not bring it into the US out of respect for the US). If you went to Ukraine, you may find it there. It was created by a Latvian chemist in the 1970s and is mass produced (under the name Mildronat). It’s popular in the EE. It is meant to strengthen one’s heart muscle and help maintain overall strength. I take it about once a year through IV, again, one doesn’t really feel anything, nor do I really need it, it just feels good to take it. I wish we would give this to the Ukrainian soldiers who will visit for rehabilitation. It may or may not work. 🙂

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  915. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    Russia has zero human rights, but I have not heard you or German reader mention that once! I have not heard you once saying anything in the defense of the people who are arrested in RusFed for opposing the war. Yet you go on and on about how Ukraine is full of Nazis and how Ukraine doesn’t observe international norms.
     
    There's a really simple reason for that: Russia isn't supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally (despite no treaty of alliance existing), in fact the opposite. Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine, if the support is to continue.
    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine (and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably), unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects, no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side. Sorry, it shouldn't work like that in international relations. And frankly, the sense of entitlement coming from you Balts especially is just sickening. You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO, you're a liability, essentially charity dependents. The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment. Other than that, you should just shut up.

    Replies: @LatW

    There’s a really simple reason for that: Russia isn’t supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally

    Not anymore, but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently. You have yourself admitted that this relationship was more important to you than the relationship with the EE and that you respected Russia more because it has natural resources and is a “more serous country”. Ok, I accept that – thank you for that kind of honesty, I wish everyone who felt that way said it openly.

    But then be honest and straightforward all the way – quit with the human rights lecturing. Then you do not determine the civilizational norms and parameters but you run your foreign policy based on what is convenient. Because all these years it was one set of rules for the EE, another set of rules for Russia. I understand that those who are inside of the EU, must abide by much higher standards, however, the Western Europeans have always stated that they are the ones to lay down the civilizational guidelines (what is wrong or right), so you basically betrayed your own principles by catering to Russia. Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily. In fact, not you but we – because the Baltic states traded with Russia very intensively as well. My issue is that you have double standards morally. You should’ve treated Russia as Saudi Arabia, not like a potential strategic partner (which they essentially were to you). Until they start respecting basic freedoms.

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    Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine

    When you criticize Ukraine, you need to do it objectively.

    Ukraine is a vital security buffer and after the war could be a provider of security in the EE. But I agree that Ukraine should be encouraged to improve its internal processes, they will have to if they want real investment with returns. My only worry is that Westernization could take away from their genuine character and they could become less martial in the future due to that.

    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine

    For now yes, because they are under enormous strain, however, if they want some kind of a fast track into the Western fold, they need to set aside institutional resources and work on it now. They are trying. Besides, it is not a blank check when they are dying. Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don’t get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.

    and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably

    Well, in the case of the Baltic States and Poland, our own military budgets have been growing considerably. The Baltic States now have mutual military projects on their own as well (building out training grounds, common purchases for the air defense, the Livonian shield, there will be increase in troops). Not to mention Poland who will have it even better with their own efforts.

    unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects

    They’re not really nationalist projects. Not by my definition at least. A true nationalist project would look slightly different, to put it mildly. We must have different definitions of nationalism or you’re seeing something that I’m not. Or vice versa.

    no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side

    No obligations? Are you kidding me? You want me to list all the obligations we have fulfilled since 1991? No criticism ever?? Are you serious, you’re able to say this to me with a straight face? You obviously are completely ignorant how politics works and how it’s been diplomatically over the years (maybe not now, but previously definitely). Now in hindsight, seeing people such as yourself and other similar “Russia lovers”, I regret that we ever listened to your government on all issues.

    Sorry, it shouldn’t work like that in international relations.

    It also shouldn’t work that you should dominate by default, as you seem to believe you should.

    You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO

    That’s just not true. We contribute a safe space for money flows that are connected with Scandinavia, Germany and through there further with the UK and the US. We contribute in terms of easier potential access to the Arctic. We contribute in preservation of European heritage. With open space for trade. One thing that you haven’t noticed is that we have never since 2004, agreed for any serious weaponry to be placed in the Baltic States, this is not just because the Americans don’t want to – it’s also because the people are relatively peaceful and may not have even wanted a heavy military build up prior to 2022. Essentially it has been NATO without real tangible military investment, just in words. Yet with full access to the Westerners.

    The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment.

    As an FIY, you are speaking with a nationalist here, not some liberal Atlanticist. Right now when the war is raging, we should probably have some Western troops stationed (their numbers are still very small, btw). But in general it is not my preference. My preference has always been to increase the number and skills of the local troops. And combined purchases of all three Baltic states for more expensive equipment. If any foreign troops should be present it should be Polish and Ukrainian, or even anti-imperialist Russian ones. Obviously this differs from the mainstream opinion. As to NATO, if they don’t want to protect us, they should also not be allowed access to this territory (no info sharing, no trade preferences). That means Lidl and others shouldn’t be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains. You wouldn’t be allowed to compete with our pharmaceuticals, even banking and all the other stuff either. This is not my preference because I like Germany and German product, but that’s what it would mean if there was no NATO – protectionism (and hopefully real nationalism).

    By the way, your opinion really differs from the one of the German officers who visit. Recently one of them said it is his “duty” to protect the Baltic States. Things on the ground are very very different than on his website. There is a lot of understanding and friendship in real life. There is an even stronger mutual solidarity now after 2022.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently.
     
    I don't agree with that characterization and tbh I don't really see anything in German policy towards Russia to apologize for, at least not in the sense it's frequently portrayed as, as some kind of plot or Russo-German conspiracy against the interests of Eastern Europeans. From my pov it could be said that it was naive and foolish, creating that level of energy dependence on Russia was a mistake, as was letting Germany's armed forces atrophy to such a disastrous degree...obviously it's better to deal with Russia from a position of strength.
    I don't agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to "appease" Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren't fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren't exactly positive. Russia is a dangerous country with the power to destroy all of Europe, you forget that basic fact too much. Whether one likes it or not, one has to take Russian views into account.

    quit with the human rights lecturing.
     
    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia? I don't think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don't like it there). I'm not a big fan of the concept of "human rights" anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?

    Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily.
     
    There weren't that many murders, and in many cases it wasn't clear who exactly was responsible, if it was to be traced back to Putin himself, or to other actors like Kadyrov acting on their own. imo you're also a bit too idealistic here, there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.

    Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don’t get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.
     
    Lol. I think you have a rather flawed perception of the costs to Germany of this whole mess.

    We contribute a safe space for money flows
     
    Cool, didn't know that financial transactions are what NATO's supposed to be about, one always learns something new.

    That means Lidl and others shouldn’t be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains.
     
    I don't give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains, spare me these silly arguments, as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you're in favour of.

    Recently one of them said it is his “duty” to protect the Baltic States.
     
    Well yes, because there's a treaty commitment by NATO to defend the Baltic states, I have NEVER doubted that or stated that one shouldn't defend the Baltic states against a Russian attack. But you're so fucking annoying with your mindless militancy, it's hard at times not to see that commitment as a mistake. You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.

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  916. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    LatW, Mikel is right. Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war. It is mostly a mafia gang turf war between the RusFed Noviop and their henchmen on one side, and US Neocon plus the Ukrainian Noviop and their henchmen. Both sides are amoral. Both sides play zero sum games and both sides do not care about civilians. Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces. It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment. You are similar to AP in this. You are both highly intelligent people, you are principled and you both have sound ethical standards. But your alignment makes you, despite your rather Russophile outlook on a lot of topics, a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine. Fact is, both sides are wrong un this conflict. This conflict didn't start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier. This conflict is not "Imperial Russia" invading Ukraine. There is no "Imperial Russia" since 1917 and the USSR is long dead. One of my Odessite friends got the right words about it : "проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир". This friend of mine nailed it alright despite didn't care about politics in general. It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer. Those who started it are scum. They are sociopaths playing geopolitical chess games with human lives. Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.

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    Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war.

    Where have I ever said that there were no mistakes on the West’s side? However, the West cannot be blamed for the incursion. Although if one considers that Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014 and that the West disarmed Ukraine, then maybe the West should be responsible after all.

    But the truth is, had the RusFed just annexed the two regions on top of Crimea, the West would have accepted it. They would have objected, of course, but they would not have done anything real about it.

    Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces.

    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life. So it would be weird of me to not support them. As to Donbas, I consider them mostly victims and have stated many many times, that I have sympathy for the innocent victims there and I was the only one who suggested that maybe the victims there should be compensated through the reparations. Of course, all of these statements were ignored by the likes of Mikel and all the others. But if you mean people such as Givi, then yea, I consider them strange and hostile external elements to Ukraine.

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    It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment.

    I sometimes judge objectively regardless of my background, but of course that is not noticed.

    despite your rather Russophile outlook

    I’m Russophile despite everything that the RusFedian propagandists and vatniks have said and done, which is frankly a real miracle. Most are not that way, trust me.

    a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine.

    Ukraine and the Ukrainian culture have a right to exist. No less than the Russian or German culture.

    This conflict didn’t start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier.

    This conflict started hundreds of years ago and our Baltic conflict with you started with Ivan Grozny and the Livonian wars, if not earlier, probably even earlier. You know, I’m not dumb – I understand what happened in Maidan. We should’ve all parted in 1991 (maybe certain arrangements should’ve been made then but it is messy, there’s a lot that goes into it besides just Crimea and Donbas). But you never accepted it as final it turns out. You should’ve been honest about it.

    This conflict is not “Imperial Russia” invading Ukraine. There is no “Imperial Russia” since 1917 and the USSR is long dead.

    I don’t care what it is called, those are just words. What matters is what happens on the ground, on the ground soldiers from the RusFed side have trespassed and are even planting red flags in occupied territory. The fact that there are Chechens and Buryat with RusFed passports killing Ukrainian men and boys and even women is a great insult. But let’s not pretend there are no ethnic Russians there.

    “проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир“

    I understand very well what they mean, there is truth to it, but only partially. What language do the invaders speak?

    It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer.

    There are definitely simulacra elements at play here, but there are also genuine ethnic interests on Ukraine’s side.

    Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.

    Of course, not just Putin, but also Kovalchuk, Patrushev, the rabid and overpaid propagandists.

    But you would have to be more specific here for me to accept this. To just say there are clandestine groups that wish ill… let them come out then. That there are certain overseas groups that have interests, I am not denying that.

    But there is also a genuine striving to be free and there is real solidarity from the West. We are just tired of RusFed, it’s been 30 years of hostility, we are tired and want change. We want to be free of this finally.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014
     
    Most of the Ukrainian military and security forces in Crimea defected to Russia.
    What exactly would Ukraine have been able to do, if evil Obama hadn't supposedly restrained them? The Ukrainian army was in a pretty decayed state back then, they would have lost in a war with Russia. They lost in Donbass in 2014/15 when Russia intervened directly.
    These unfounded stab in the back stories where Ukraine is held back by the West (instead of being a recipient of massive aid) are tiresome.

    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life.
     
    No, they aren't (unless you own property in Ukraine). You really need to get over this excessive identification with Ukraine, it's not rational.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    What language do the invaders speak?
     
    נו, זיי קענען נישט אַלע רעדן ייִדיש

    Silly answer to a silly question...

    (I know that you are not silly at all, quite the opposite - you are admirably smart).

    https://astromatrix.app/images/astrotarot/Tarot%20Major%20Arcana/The%20Moon.jpg

    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?

    🙂

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  917. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    There’s a really simple reason for that: Russia isn’t supported by our countries and treated as a quasi-ally
     
    Not anymore, but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently. You have yourself admitted that this relationship was more important to you than the relationship with the EE and that you respected Russia more because it has natural resources and is a "more serous country". Ok, I accept that - thank you for that kind of honesty, I wish everyone who felt that way said it openly.

    But then be honest and straightforward all the way - quit with the human rights lecturing. Then you do not determine the civilizational norms and parameters but you run your foreign policy based on what is convenient. Because all these years it was one set of rules for the EE, another set of rules for Russia. I understand that those who are inside of the EU, must abide by much higher standards, however, the Western Europeans have always stated that they are the ones to lay down the civilizational guidelines (what is wrong or right), so you basically betrayed your own principles by catering to Russia. Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily. In fact, not you but we - because the Baltic states traded with Russia very intensively as well. My issue is that you have double standards morally. You should've treated Russia as Saudi Arabia, not like a potential strategic partner (which they essentially were to you). Until they start respecting basic freedoms.

    Ukraine is, at considerable cost in ressources and possibly existential risks, therefore its internal situation is of greater interest to us and we have the right to criticize it and demand that conditions be placed on Ukraine
     
    When you criticize Ukraine, you need to do it objectively.

    Ukraine is a vital security buffer and after the war could be a provider of security in the EE. But I agree that Ukraine should be encouraged to improve its internal processes, they will have to if they want real investment with returns. My only worry is that Westernization could take away from their genuine character and they could become less martial in the future due to that.

    Essentially you want a blank cheque for Ukraine
     
    For now yes, because they are under enormous strain, however, if they want some kind of a fast track into the Western fold, they need to set aside institutional resources and work on it now. They are trying. Besides, it is not a blank check when they are dying. Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don't get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.

    and also for the Baltic states and Poland presumably
     
    Well, in the case of the Baltic States and Poland, our own military budgets have been growing considerably. The Baltic States now have mutual military projects on their own as well (building out training grounds, common purchases for the air defense, the Livonian shield, there will be increase in troops). Not to mention Poland who will have it even better with their own efforts.

    unconditional Western support for your little nationalist projects
     
    They're not really nationalist projects. Not by my definition at least. A true nationalist project would look slightly different, to put it mildly. We must have different definitions of nationalism or you're seeing something that I'm not. Or vice versa.

    no criticism ever, no conditions, no obligations on your side
     
    No obligations? Are you kidding me? You want me to list all the obligations we have fulfilled since 1991? No criticism ever?? Are you serious, you're able to say this to me with a straight face? You obviously are completely ignorant how politics works and how it's been diplomatically over the years (maybe not now, but previously definitely). Now in hindsight, seeing people such as yourself and other similar "Russia lovers", I regret that we ever listened to your government on all issues.

    Sorry, it shouldn’t work like that in international relations.
     
    It also shouldn't work that you should dominate by default, as you seem to believe you should.

    You contribute nothing of real worth to NATO
     
    That's just not true. We contribute a safe space for money flows that are connected with Scandinavia, Germany and through there further with the UK and the US. We contribute in terms of easier potential access to the Arctic. We contribute in preservation of European heritage. With open space for trade. One thing that you haven't noticed is that we have never since 2004, agreed for any serious weaponry to be placed in the Baltic States, this is not just because the Americans don't want to - it's also because the people are relatively peaceful and may not have even wanted a heavy military build up prior to 2022. Essentially it has been NATO without real tangible military investment, just in words. Yet with full access to the Westerners.

    The only thing you could reasonably demand is that NATO troops be placed in your countries for deterrence, since Western countries have made that commitment.
     
    As an FIY, you are speaking with a nationalist here, not some liberal Atlanticist. Right now when the war is raging, we should probably have some Western troops stationed (their numbers are still very small, btw). But in general it is not my preference. My preference has always been to increase the number and skills of the local troops. And combined purchases of all three Baltic states for more expensive equipment. If any foreign troops should be present it should be Polish and Ukrainian, or even anti-imperialist Russian ones. Obviously this differs from the mainstream opinion. As to NATO, if they don't want to protect us, they should also not be allowed access to this territory (no info sharing, no trade preferences). That means Lidl and others shouldn't be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains. You wouldn't be allowed to compete with our pharmaceuticals, even banking and all the other stuff either. This is not my preference because I like Germany and German product, but that's what it would mean if there was no NATO - protectionism (and hopefully real nationalism).

    By the way, your opinion really differs from the one of the German officers who visit. Recently one of them said it is his "duty" to protect the Baltic States. Things on the ground are very very different than on his website. There is a lot of understanding and friendship in real life. There is an even stronger mutual solidarity now after 2022.

    Replies: @German_reader

    but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently.

    I don’t agree with that characterization and tbh I don’t really see anything in German policy towards Russia to apologize for, at least not in the sense it’s frequently portrayed as, as some kind of plot or Russo-German conspiracy against the interests of Eastern Europeans. From my pov it could be said that it was naive and foolish, creating that level of energy dependence on Russia was a mistake, as was letting Germany’s armed forces atrophy to such a disastrous degree…obviously it’s better to deal with Russia from a position of strength.
    I don’t agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to “appease” Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren’t fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren’t exactly positive. Russia is a dangerous country with the power to destroy all of Europe, you forget that basic fact too much. Whether one likes it or not, one has to take Russian views into account.

    quit with the human rights lecturing.

    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia? I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there). I’m not a big fan of the concept of “human rights” anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?

    Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily.

    There weren’t that many murders, and in many cases it wasn’t clear who exactly was responsible, if it was to be traced back to Putin himself, or to other actors like Kadyrov acting on their own. imo you’re also a bit too idealistic here, there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.

    Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don’t get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.

    Lol. I think you have a rather flawed perception of the costs to Germany of this whole mess.

    We contribute a safe space for money flows

    Cool, didn’t know that financial transactions are what NATO’s supposed to be about, one always learns something new.

    That means Lidl and others shouldn’t be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains.

    I don’t give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains, spare me these silly arguments, as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.

    Recently one of them said it is his “duty” to protect the Baltic States.

    Well yes, because there’s a treaty commitment by NATO to defend the Baltic states, I have NEVER doubted that or stated that one shouldn’t defend the Baltic states against a Russian attack. But you’re so fucking annoying with your mindless militancy, it’s hard at times not to see that commitment as a mistake. You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia?
     
    I wasn't talking about you personally, but about the collective West, the Western European governments have been particularly nasty in this regard, as well as various pseudo-institutions, I regret deeply that we listened to them and compromised. The NATO membership is good to have but it came at a huge cost and the contingency plan was never really there, it is only being built up now (!!).

    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).
     
    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much - you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn't care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA. Beckow screeching the loudest. Not that it would matter, but it is this kind of bs hypocrisy that I hate.

    I’m not a big fan of the concept of “human rights” anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?
     
    You tie it to human rights a lot, which I don't think is appropriate, since Ukraine has not received a real EU membership plan. If we are going to advance universal human rights principles, then we should apply them to everyone, including Russia. We cannot have an approach where we claim to be the enabler of civilizational norms and only enforce them selectively upon those who are weaker, and not on those who are "strong and dangerous", as you say.

    To be cautious, is a different matter. I have a few criticisms for certain steps Ukraine has made as well as some remarks regarding the general political culture, but I will not voice them publicly because right now I have to support them 100%. There is a Ukrainian in a trench bleeding for me right now.

    For a much larger scale question, to "avoid existential risk", the question becomes about the security vacuum in EE after 1991. We have already spoken about this a lot (disarming Ukraine was a mistake, it is largely their own fault for not putting their foot down in time, but Clinton admitted he knew that there would be war already in 2011). It's a larger issue that has to do with the weakness of the EEs and the mistakes they made since 1991 (allowing this to fester).

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity. Was stupid of me to believe there was all these years, it was just silly fantasies.


    I don’t agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to “appease” Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren’t fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren’t exactly positive.
     
    Most likely, the seeds of this war were planted much much earlier than Minsk. I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like "When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war". I have accepted that Western Europeans simply don't understand this and never will.

    there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.
     
    Of course, one still has to deal with them, I never said otherwise. But then be frank to yourself and admit that they are different. For Russia it was something "in between", never truly properly defined. Because of the past. There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia, but for you it didn't matter. Thing is, it mattered for others. They are still out there.

    For Russia especially this is a huge missed opportunity, which is very regretful. It's just sad.


    I don’t give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains
     
    You don't, but others do. :) Hahaha, it's all good. It's great stuff.

    as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    Then we return back to the issue of the security vacuum. Which will now hopefully be finally filled.

    for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    You have misunderstood my somewhat provocative style of writing (slight trolling) with being in favor of policy or promoting certain steps. I have mostly just been describing things - how one side thinks (the Ukrainian side and the friends). I haven't been describing what should be done all that much.

    I’m not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself)
     
    Btw, what is this? There's no such legal term.

    You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.
     
    There are things that they should be quiet about and moments when they should be more quiet (when they are not), but there are also moments when they shouldn't be. It varies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

  918. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war.
     
    Where have I ever said that there were no mistakes on the West's side? However, the West cannot be blamed for the incursion. Although if one considers that Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014 and that the West disarmed Ukraine, then maybe the West should be responsible after all.

    But the truth is, had the RusFed just annexed the two regions on top of Crimea, the West would have accepted it. They would have objected, of course, but they would not have done anything real about it.


    Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces.
     
    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life. So it would be weird of me to not support them. As to Donbas, I consider them mostly victims and have stated many many times, that I have sympathy for the innocent victims there and I was the only one who suggested that maybe the victims there should be compensated through the reparations. Of course, all of these statements were ignored by the likes of Mikel and all the others. But if you mean people such as Givi, then yea, I consider them strange and hostile external elements to Ukraine.

    It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment.
     
    I sometimes judge objectively regardless of my background, but of course that is not noticed.

    despite your rather Russophile outlook
     
    I'm Russophile despite everything that the RusFedian propagandists and vatniks have said and done, which is frankly a real miracle. Most are not that way, trust me.

    a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine.
     
    Ukraine and the Ukrainian culture have a right to exist. No less than the Russian or German culture.

    This conflict didn’t start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier.
     
    This conflict started hundreds of years ago and our Baltic conflict with you started with Ivan Grozny and the Livonian wars, if not earlier, probably even earlier. You know, I'm not dumb - I understand what happened in Maidan. We should've all parted in 1991 (maybe certain arrangements should've been made then but it is messy, there's a lot that goes into it besides just Crimea and Donbas). But you never accepted it as final it turns out. You should've been honest about it.

    This conflict is not “Imperial Russia” invading Ukraine. There is no “Imperial Russia” since 1917 and the USSR is long dead.
     
    I don't care what it is called, those are just words. What matters is what happens on the ground, on the ground soldiers from the RusFed side have trespassed and are even planting red flags in occupied territory. The fact that there are Chechens and Buryat with RusFed passports killing Ukrainian men and boys and even women is a great insult. But let's not pretend there are no ethnic Russians there.

    “проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир“
     
    I understand very well what they mean, there is truth to it, but only partially. What language do the invaders speak?

    It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer.
     
    There are definitely simulacra elements at play here, but there are also genuine ethnic interests on Ukraine's side.

    Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.
     
    Of course, not just Putin, but also Kovalchuk, Patrushev, the rabid and overpaid propagandists.

    But you would have to be more specific here for me to accept this. To just say there are clandestine groups that wish ill... let them come out then. That there are certain overseas groups that have interests, I am not denying that.

    But there is also a genuine striving to be free and there is real solidarity from the West. We are just tired of RusFed, it's been 30 years of hostility, we are tired and want change. We want to be free of this finally.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014

    Most of the Ukrainian military and security forces in Crimea defected to Russia.
    What exactly would Ukraine have been able to do, if evil Obama hadn’t supposedly restrained them? The Ukrainian army was in a pretty decayed state back then, they would have lost in a war with Russia. They lost in Donbass in 2014/15 when Russia intervened directly.
    These unfounded stab in the back stories where Ukraine is held back by the West (instead of being a recipient of massive aid) are tiresome.

    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life.

    No, they aren’t (unless you own property in Ukraine). You really need to get over this excessive identification with Ukraine, it’s not rational.

  919. @Mikel
    Very insightful comment by Strelkov, as usual (Google Translate):

    If the impotent does not work out, then this is not a reason to cancel sexual relations as impossible.

    And he finishes his analysis of the lack of envelopment movements and destruction of infrastructure with these words:

    Bakhmut is a Pyrrhic victory. Without changing the war from a stupid position to a smart, air-ground one, the Russian Federation will be defeated

    Considering the success of his predictions so far (including incursions into Southern Russia as part of the Ukrainian counteroffensive maneuvers), an opinion to keep in mind.

    https://t.me/s/igorstrelkov

    Replies: @QCIC, @Dmitry

    The Girkin predictions were very inaccurate. Remember at the beginning of the war, we posted the interview in the forum, where he said Ukraine’s army would be easily destroyed in a few days, with “precision weapons” etc.

    After some months, he was saying Russia will win, if it uses massive conscription, to invade with millions of soldiers etc.

    He doesn’t seem to understand, there is no reason to send millions of soldiers, if you don’t have equipment for thousands of soldiers and most of the equipment was destroyed in the first months.

    Unless, he wants human wave attacks or to use T-34s, which would only be useful if the authorities want to reduce population of the Russian Federation.

    The determination of the results of the war, is by technology level. In the beginning, Russia and Ukraine have a similar technology level as both are in the 1970s or 1960s level. Russia has a few more equipment from the 1980s like Kalibr missile which are from 1982 or some other quantity of 1980s Soviet guided weapons.

    But Russia has a vast quantity of equipment than Ukraine, because it has main stocks of the equipment from a superpower i.e. the USSR while Ukraine only has a smaller portion of the Soviet army.

    However, depending Western decisions, there is potential, for Ukraine to receive Western technology of the 1990s level or even more advanced. This will be mainly integrating after 2024. They are receiving equipment like Patriot missiles and Caesar artillery.

    Already in 2022, we saw effects of small equipment using Western technology, like the NLAW or Javelin, has bypassed the difference in tank quantities.

  920. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.
     
    I realized you may have been addressing the question of why Asians outperform whites in income.

    But that’s not the question I raised in my previous comment.

    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.

    Replies: @Max Payne, @Ron Unz

    This has nothing to do with the current discussion you are having about the difference in IQ between Asian and Whites.

    [MORE]

    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.

    It’s quite curious. I rarely can find an Arab who has ever taken that stance. I have to wonder if the current softening of the Arab world is not due to the young nouveau-riche that have fallen to the long-game PSYOPs of “Israel isn’t so bad”.

    Most things I hear from Arabs are:
    -Arabs have been occupied by Turks, Brits, et. al and have never been truly free.
    -The British split the Arab world in 22 (or 24, can’t recall) nations as part of their plan
    -Since Israel any independent stable working government/entity must be destroyed, harassed, etc. Syria, Iraq, Libya vs Jordan (UK-connections/marriage), Saudi Arabia (UK/US alliance), Egypt (Mubarak/Sisi both seem US friendly).

    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?

    I don’t think the Muslim Brotherhood lasted a whole year before the CIA-approved Sisi junta came into power if I recall correctly….. (classic playbook, an officer once trained in the US takes government). Does anyone comment on this in Egypt or is the media totally denied to point out the obvious? Also any particular reason why Egypt is blowing money on the ‘Octagon’? Bigger-er and better-er than the Pentagon I see… but still just 5 minutes away from the capital; can’t be bothered with strategically remote locations….

    With the levels of corruption in Egypt do you not factor the large commitments organizations such as the CIA have in Egypt (to protect Israel)? Do Egyptians really see their military as something independent (consider the heavy ties it has to the US in procurement and training)?

    Does the Egyptian military act in the same manner as the silovik culture that holds the Russian state together? I don’t think it does considering from outside perspective it’s been infiltrated by many nations to some degree or another.

    I’m not saying Israel is to blame as it is true Arabs need to step up (in a lot of areas) but surely Israel is not helping uplift the Middle East (opposite in fact with assassinations, economic espionage, strikes on critical facilities, and near-total military hegemony thanks to the US…. not to mention the Israeli-beneficial wars across the Middle East that produce refugees that go wherever they can and the brain drain of those with means to immigrate to the West).

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?

    And yet even now as Israeli tourists raid Arab hotels of towels and TVs do the young people of the Middle East no longer see this apparent truth? Just out of strategic necessity Israel must destabilize the region at all costs. This has no play or factor in the overall landscape in your mind?

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Max Payne


    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.
     
    Did I say that?

    If you read my even older posts, I’m much harsher on Israel.

    My stance on Israel has softened somewhat after adopting a more rationalistic worldview.

    I believe the Jewish ethnos is worthy and valuable, and that Israel was necessary to preserve its existence. That Palestinians had to pay the price to accomplish this objective is unfortunate, but that’s the way it is. I only hope their misery is softened going forward, but I’ve reconciled myself with Israel’s existence.


    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?
     
    No. I’m not representative of the average young Arab, or any other Arab for that matter, save myself.

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?
     
    You are correct in your assessment.

    Israel could potentially be a net gain if their human capital is incorporated into the economic nexus of the region. That is the goal we should be striving for, while remaining wary of Israel nonetheless.

    I hope that Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews are repatriated to their pre-1948 homelands in the Arab World, and Israel becoming an exclusivist Ashkenazi state. That would preserve Ashkenazi capabilities better than a melting pot, and elevate the Arab world’s cultural productivity (Arab Jews were disproportionately represented in cultural activities during the early 20th century).

    https://youtu.be/6RsG-kNm7Lo

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  921. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    The puzzles themselves do not usually have a correct answer, it’s like someone telling about ” statistical evidence or rigor” of astrology,
     
    https://youtu.be/lev8dGnxvdw

    For example, it’s possible the puzzle score correlates with conformism and literacy rate, which are results of industrialization. So, countries after industrialization, would have a higher score.
     
    Then explain why East Asians score higher than whites in the US.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Dmitry

    Asians score higher than whites in the US

    In your view, why would Asians having average high test scores in the US, support the divergent economic development where Asia is many times more poor than Europe for most of the modern history, or difference of Nobel Prize per capita e.g. Switzerland vs. China. Switzerland winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 300,000 citizens. China winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 155 million citizens. Also how would it hindcast in the 18th, 19th, 20th century.

    Comparing people in the same school, will have more valid results, than between different cultures, as you remove some more of the confounders, like the different cultural understanding of the test. But it’s not explained what you are testing, i.e. the literacy, conformity.

    You are adding connection of this theme to the topic of economic development, when you seemed to say Egypt cannot develop without “genetic engineering”, or India has high levels of peasants because of genetic issues although this ratio will change every year as they industrialize, which you are also connecting the genetic components to the puzzle test scores.

    Do they value education more in the first place? If so, why? If it’s theological in basis

    It’s possible or likely there will be hereditary aspects of peoples’ personality, which is making them more suitable for academic jobs, or another kind of jobs which are useful in the modern economy. It’s also likely this proportion can vary in groups if there is some kinds of selection.

    For example, as every manager would learn, good engineering, depends on specific personality type. This can be significantly culture, but there are also in every group people who are born more suitable for engineering, than other people. You know, people who literary writers who live in dream world, use their imagination since childhood, could likely be very dangerous to work as engineers.

    Across different groups, there could be different distributions of genes for these different personalities. In complex system, there can also be selection for different personalities, in different historical epochs or environments, that changes the proportion of the genes in a group.

    But this discussion becomes more unclear, when wild claims about complex systems like national development, people are introduced who would probably explain the reason India and China are not good in football, as result of some genetic variable you would “mystically” test by asking people some unrelated puzzle test like how long they can balance a football on their foot.

    Btw, Egypt doesn’t need to wait for magic carpets before having a path for development. They would just need to join the EU. Before German Reader begins to have nightmares, I’m not saying EU has to accept Egypt. But, in theory, if Egypt joins the EU, follows the management advice for internal reform, would have a path for development without “genetic engineering”.

    I think we would see even Ukraine, has a path for development in the 2030s, if they join the EU.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry

    I will get back to you with a comprehensive post on the new thread (if I can muster the willpower).

  922. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    but the truth is that it was treated as a quasi-ally by Germany until very recently.
     
    I don't agree with that characterization and tbh I don't really see anything in German policy towards Russia to apologize for, at least not in the sense it's frequently portrayed as, as some kind of plot or Russo-German conspiracy against the interests of Eastern Europeans. From my pov it could be said that it was naive and foolish, creating that level of energy dependence on Russia was a mistake, as was letting Germany's armed forces atrophy to such a disastrous degree...obviously it's better to deal with Russia from a position of strength.
    I don't agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to "appease" Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren't fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren't exactly positive. Russia is a dangerous country with the power to destroy all of Europe, you forget that basic fact too much. Whether one likes it or not, one has to take Russian views into account.

    quit with the human rights lecturing.
     
    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia? I don't think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don't like it there). I'm not a big fan of the concept of "human rights" anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?

    Russia was murdering her own citizens while you traded happily.
     
    There weren't that many murders, and in many cases it wasn't clear who exactly was responsible, if it was to be traced back to Putin himself, or to other actors like Kadyrov acting on their own. imo you're also a bit too idealistic here, there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.

    Most of the money is provided by the UK and the US, so I don’t get why you as a German who votes for AfD think that you should dictate anything here.
     
    Lol. I think you have a rather flawed perception of the costs to Germany of this whole mess.

    We contribute a safe space for money flows
     
    Cool, didn't know that financial transactions are what NATO's supposed to be about, one always learns something new.

    That means Lidl and others shouldn’t be allowed to compete with Lithuanian and other local chains.
     
    I don't give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains, spare me these silly arguments, as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you're in favour of.

    Recently one of them said it is his “duty” to protect the Baltic States.
     
    Well yes, because there's a treaty commitment by NATO to defend the Baltic states, I have NEVER doubted that or stated that one shouldn't defend the Baltic states against a Russian attack. But you're so fucking annoying with your mindless militancy, it's hard at times not to see that commitment as a mistake. You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.

    Replies: @LatW

    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia?

    I wasn’t talking about you personally, but about the collective West, the Western European governments have been particularly nasty in this regard, as well as various pseudo-institutions, I regret deeply that we listened to them and compromised. The NATO membership is good to have but it came at a huge cost and the contingency plan was never really there, it is only being built up now (!!).

    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).

    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn’t care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA. Beckow screeching the loudest. Not that it would matter, but it is this kind of bs hypocrisy that I hate.

    I’m not a big fan of the concept of “human rights” anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?

    You tie it to human rights a lot, which I don’t think is appropriate, since Ukraine has not received a real EU membership plan. If we are going to advance universal human rights principles, then we should apply them to everyone, including Russia. We cannot have an approach where we claim to be the enabler of civilizational norms and only enforce them selectively upon those who are weaker, and not on those who are “strong and dangerous”, as you say.

    To be cautious, is a different matter. I have a few criticisms for certain steps Ukraine has made as well as some remarks regarding the general political culture, but I will not voice them publicly because right now I have to support them 100%. There is a Ukrainian in a trench bleeding for me right now.

    For a much larger scale question, to “avoid existential risk”, the question becomes about the security vacuum in EE after 1991. We have already spoken about this a lot (disarming Ukraine was a mistake, it is largely their own fault for not putting their foot down in time, but Clinton admitted he knew that there would be war already in 2011). It’s a larger issue that has to do with the weakness of the EEs and the mistakes they made since 1991 (allowing this to fester).

    [MORE]

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity. Was stupid of me to believe there was all these years, it was just silly fantasies.

    I don’t agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to “appease” Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren’t fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren’t exactly positive.

    Most likely, the seeds of this war were planted much much earlier than Minsk. I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like “When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war”. I have accepted that Western Europeans simply don’t understand this and never will.

    there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.

    Of course, one still has to deal with them, I never said otherwise. But then be frank to yourself and admit that they are different. For Russia it was something “in between”, never truly properly defined. Because of the past. There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia, but for you it didn’t matter. Thing is, it mattered for others. They are still out there.

    For Russia especially this is a huge missed opportunity, which is very regretful. It’s just sad.

    I don’t give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains

    You don’t, but others do. 🙂 Hahaha, it’s all good. It’s great stuff.

    as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.

    Then we return back to the issue of the security vacuum. Which will now hopefully be finally filled.

    for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.

    You have misunderstood my somewhat provocative style of writing (slight trolling) with being in favor of policy or promoting certain steps. I have mostly just been describing things – how one side thinks (the Ukrainian side and the friends). I haven’t been describing what should be done all that much.

    I’m not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself)

    Btw, what is this? There’s no such legal term.

    You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.

    There are things that they should be quiet about and moments when they should be more quiet (when they are not), but there are also moments when they shouldn’t be. It varies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon
     
    Not my fault. Obviously I don't agree with many "European values" today, I have never claimed otherwise. I can see that from an ethnic Latvian pov it's less than ideal if 25% of the population are Russians whose loyalty might be questionable if Russia ever threatened the independence of the Baltic states again. If there were an easy way to get those who have an anti-Latvian mindset to leave, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But you must know you yourself that these things aren't easy.
    I also feel that you judge affairs in Ukraine too much as if they were identical to the situation in the Baltic states, where most Russians are indeed fairly recent transplants. That's not true to the same extent in Crimea or Donbass...these aren't ancestral Ukrainian lands in the sense that they were only ever Ukrainian, if it hadn't been for "colonization" by Russia.

    disarming Ukraine was a mistake
     
    It would have been very difficult for Ukraine to maintain a nuclear deterrent, both for political and economic reasons.
    But yeah, maybe they should have acquired nuclear weapons. You don't really have sovereignty without them anyway.

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity.
     
    German right-wingers get ZERO solidarity from anybody else, so I don't see why we should be obliged to uncritically support the projects of other people (especially when they're nutcases like those "Free Russians"...do you really believe these people could ever acquire mass support in Russia or do anything constructive?).
    Btw, since you always go on about the AfD angle, I disagree with the notion that all of AfD is somehow uncritically pro-Russian, imo this just isn't true.

    I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like “When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war”.
     
    There was always potential for war, and yes, obviously the imperialist mentality of quite a few Russians is a problem. But I don't think war was inevitable.

    There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia
     
    Russia was brutal in those conflicts (especially in Chechnya), but it's not like it was just Russia which was to blame here. There really were jihadis in Chechnya who were a threat to the entire Caucasus and who committed terrorist attacks within Russia. Georgia also wasn't completely innocent in the 2008 war either (or at least acted rather imprudently). So I can't agree with those black-and-white characterizations that it's always just about Russian imperialism and that the only solution would be the dismemberment of Russia and then everything would be fine, imo that's fantasy.

    I haven’t been describing what should be done all that much.
     
    You've repeatedly made comments along the lines of that Russia needs to be expelled from Crimea and all of Donbass, that there needs to be a security buffer zone across the 2014 border (so in RF territory itself), that there'll be civil war in Russia and that this is a good thing etc. imo this is all crazy, unrealistic and dangerous. From my pov the best one can hope for is that Russia is pushed out from as much of the territory occupied since February 2022 as possible and that the situation is then stabilized with a ceasefire like in Korea. Of course that's hardly ideal either, but this idea that it's possible to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia, destroy her as a great power and avoid nuclear war while doing so, imo that's dangerous wishful thinking.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @S
    @LatW



    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).


     

    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn’t care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA.
     
    Though they'd never publicly admit it, the real reason that self proclaimed 'liberals'/'progressives' would have 'frowned upon' and 'ridiculed' 'real repatriation and decolonization' is that the alien wage slave 'immigrant'/'refugee' represents for them a primary source of both potential financial wealth and political power (the same as the paralleling chattel slave once had to the Anglosphere progressive's New England political and spiritual slave dealing/owning forebears) as succinctly described on pg 4 of the 2003 academic paper excerpted and linked below. [Scroll down about two inches from the top to see and read the whole paper if you wish.]

    For this reason it wasn't at all a 'coincidence' that Massachusetts uber progressive Susan Warren chose to launch her 2020 presidential campaign from Lawrence 'Immigrant City', Mass like she did.

    This very profitable divide and rule scheme, not dissimilar in certain ways to the Roman colonia and English 'plantation(s)' of the past, gets to the very heart of the modern Anglosphere's so called 'progressive' power.

    [My personal belief is (generally) if past colonization by diktat is the cause of still ongoing friction, ie a 'living' dispute, as opposed to being forgotten about for a thousand years. People should be willing to take their colonists back to avoid a never healing festering wound and a cause of perpetual discord. That's why I can't hold it against the Irish that they 'asked' (to put it mildly') English Protestant colonists and descendants to leave Ireland after having gained their independence in the early 1920's.]

    https://www.academia.edu/27219183/Between_urban_and_national_Political_mobilization_among_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_towns_

    '...the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier' (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony...'


    To advance the project of territorial ethnicization, the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier' (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony...Meanwhile, the immigrants are contributing to the important national project of settlement, which provides them with a sense of belonging and certain material gains from the settling state...while the natives find themselves entirely excluded.
     
  923. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia?
     
    I wasn't talking about you personally, but about the collective West, the Western European governments have been particularly nasty in this regard, as well as various pseudo-institutions, I regret deeply that we listened to them and compromised. The NATO membership is good to have but it came at a huge cost and the contingency plan was never really there, it is only being built up now (!!).

    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).
     
    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much - you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn't care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA. Beckow screeching the loudest. Not that it would matter, but it is this kind of bs hypocrisy that I hate.

    I’m not a big fan of the concept of “human rights” anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?
     
    You tie it to human rights a lot, which I don't think is appropriate, since Ukraine has not received a real EU membership plan. If we are going to advance universal human rights principles, then we should apply them to everyone, including Russia. We cannot have an approach where we claim to be the enabler of civilizational norms and only enforce them selectively upon those who are weaker, and not on those who are "strong and dangerous", as you say.

    To be cautious, is a different matter. I have a few criticisms for certain steps Ukraine has made as well as some remarks regarding the general political culture, but I will not voice them publicly because right now I have to support them 100%. There is a Ukrainian in a trench bleeding for me right now.

    For a much larger scale question, to "avoid existential risk", the question becomes about the security vacuum in EE after 1991. We have already spoken about this a lot (disarming Ukraine was a mistake, it is largely their own fault for not putting their foot down in time, but Clinton admitted he knew that there would be war already in 2011). It's a larger issue that has to do with the weakness of the EEs and the mistakes they made since 1991 (allowing this to fester).

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity. Was stupid of me to believe there was all these years, it was just silly fantasies.


    I don’t agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to “appease” Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren’t fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren’t exactly positive.
     
    Most likely, the seeds of this war were planted much much earlier than Minsk. I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like "When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war". I have accepted that Western Europeans simply don't understand this and never will.

    there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.
     
    Of course, one still has to deal with them, I never said otherwise. But then be frank to yourself and admit that they are different. For Russia it was something "in between", never truly properly defined. Because of the past. There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia, but for you it didn't matter. Thing is, it mattered for others. They are still out there.

    For Russia especially this is a huge missed opportunity, which is very regretful. It's just sad.


    I don’t give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains
     
    You don't, but others do. :) Hahaha, it's all good. It's great stuff.

    as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    Then we return back to the issue of the security vacuum. Which will now hopefully be finally filled.

    for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    You have misunderstood my somewhat provocative style of writing (slight trolling) with being in favor of policy or promoting certain steps. I have mostly just been describing things - how one side thinks (the Ukrainian side and the friends). I haven't been describing what should be done all that much.

    I’m not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself)
     
    Btw, what is this? There's no such legal term.

    You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.
     
    There are things that they should be quiet about and moments when they should be more quiet (when they are not), but there are also moments when they shouldn't be. It varies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon

    Not my fault. Obviously I don’t agree with many “European values” today, I have never claimed otherwise. I can see that from an ethnic Latvian pov it’s less than ideal if 25% of the population are Russians whose loyalty might be questionable if Russia ever threatened the independence of the Baltic states again. If there were an easy way to get those who have an anti-Latvian mindset to leave, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. But you must know you yourself that these things aren‘t easy.
    I also feel that you judge affairs in Ukraine too much as if they were identical to the situation in the Baltic states, where most Russians are indeed fairly recent transplants. That’s not true to the same extent in Crimea or Donbass…these aren’t ancestral Ukrainian lands in the sense that they were only ever Ukrainian, if it hadn’t been for “colonization” by Russia.

    disarming Ukraine was a mistake

    It would have been very difficult for Ukraine to maintain a nuclear deterrent, both for political and economic reasons.
    But yeah, maybe they should have acquired nuclear weapons. You don’t really have sovereignty without them anyway.

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity.

    German right-wingers get ZERO solidarity from anybody else, so I don’t see why we should be obliged to uncritically support the projects of other people (especially when they’re nutcases like those “Free Russians”…do you really believe these people could ever acquire mass support in Russia or do anything constructive?).
    Btw, since you always go on about the AfD angle, I disagree with the notion that all of AfD is somehow uncritically pro-Russian, imo this just isn’t true.

    I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like “When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war”.

    There was always potential for war, and yes, obviously the imperialist mentality of quite a few Russians is a problem. But I don’t think war was inevitable.

    There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia

    Russia was brutal in those conflicts (especially in Chechnya), but it’s not like it was just Russia which was to blame here. There really were jihadis in Chechnya who were a threat to the entire Caucasus and who committed terrorist attacks within Russia. Georgia also wasn’t completely innocent in the 2008 war either (or at least acted rather imprudently). So I can’t agree with those black-and-white characterizations that it’s always just about Russian imperialism and that the only solution would be the dismemberment of Russia and then everything would be fine, imo that’s fantasy.

    I haven’t been describing what should be done all that much.

    You’ve repeatedly made comments along the lines of that Russia needs to be expelled from Crimea and all of Donbass, that there needs to be a security buffer zone across the 2014 border (so in RF territory itself), that there’ll be civil war in Russia and that this is a good thing etc. imo this is all crazy, unrealistic and dangerous. From my pov the best one can hope for is that Russia is pushed out from as much of the territory occupied since February 2022 as possible and that the situation is then stabilized with a ceasefire like in Korea. Of course that’s hardly ideal either, but this idea that it’s possible to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia, destroy her as a great power and avoid nuclear war while doing so, imo that’s dangerous wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Not my fault.
     
    It's not your personal fault, of course, but you have often sounded as if we have never accommodated to either Russia or the West, when in fact we did try to accommodate to both in various ways over time. Only to be chastised on forums like this one later.



    I can see that from an ethnic Latvian pov it’s less than ideal if 25% of the population are Russians whose loyalty might be questionable
     
    They are not questionable at all, but are very explicitely clear and loudly expressed or were at least relatively recently. All Russophones are not the same, of course, most of them are totally acceptable, but a large chunk of them are objectively a big problem, and should have been simply deported, but the State Department forced us to naturalize them all.

    I only wanted basic respect, nothing else. For years, on May 9, they would literally have a huge rally close to the downtown and then when the rally (which included a lot of humorous stuff that I don't want to discuss in public, lol), they would all gather in a large procession, and demonstratively march through the Old City, screaming from the top of their lungs "Rossiya, Rossiya!". Including young men. They marched through the town that was built by Germans, Latvians, Jews, Estonians, Swedes. Past the main Lutheran church, past the cafes were grandmas were sitting with their grandchildren and having tea. Our men are incredible for being so patient and only recently have I understood their MO - deescalation and not responding to open provocation. Smart! A big middle finger to these Russians - march on and look like idiots. If I had been a 19 year old man at that time, it would have been different. Thank God I'm not.

    Why did I have to put up with this? Anyway, it may not even matter anymore...

    If there were an easy way to get those who have an anti-Latvian mindset to leave, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. But you must know you yourself that these things aren‘t easy.
     
    That's exactly what I'm saying - we had to accommodate. It was the right thing to do, because most people are normal and they deserved to be included, protected. But these Russians, too, are tormented, because of what happened after 1991 and even before, and they are tormenting everyone else who lives next to them.

    I also feel that you judge affairs in Ukraine too much as if they were identical to the situation in the Baltic states, where most Russians are indeed fairly recent transplants.
     
    The Baltic States are very different from Ukraine in many aspects (but there are also similarities), but those Russians in Crimea and Kherson were also recent transplants, the ones that arrived after 2014.
    Not the ones who lived there before, ofc. The question here is about sovereignty and territorial integrity, not just about ethnicity. We have a lot of countries with large minorities, ethnic enclaves, where the territorial integrity is still preserved. You are only making an exception here because Russia is physically stronger and was able to get away with annexation.

    It would have been very difficult for Ukraine to maintain a nuclear deterrent
     
    They are tech savvy and they could've consulted with Israel where to get what.

    German right-wingers get ZERO solidarity from anybody else, so I don’t see why we should be obliged to uncritically support the projects of other people
     
    No, you shouldn't but then you should also back down from meddling in others' affairs. The problem for you is that you are not in power.

    especially when they’re nutcases like those “Free Russians”…do you really believe these people could ever acquire mass support in Russia or do anything constructive?).
     
    For years, I thought that no. Recently I've been having second thoughts. Again, there are two groups there - the Legion of Freedom of Russia is a moderate group, that masses could support (the White Blue White flag), not huge masses and maybe not the majority but a considerable number of people. As to the Russian Volunteer Corps, it is a very specific group, with a narrow ideology, that most Russians would not subscribe to (however, it appears that more than I previously thought might). Btw, this ideology is much more benign than it looks. The sad reality of these EE WNs is that they look scary, but they have an internal vulnerability. All they ask for is a white only society (in a society that was originally already white only!!!, well, except parts of Russia, but not most!) and no openly displayed gender fluidity. No imperialism, no wars with close nations. No wars among Slavic nations or hostility towards European nations. They don't really ask for a lot but are called evil. Their methods of course is a different matter (they have limited choice).

    All kinds of convos are happening now in Ukraine and on the Russian dissident fora. I even heard something that it would be possible to do something significant with a mere 5-10K men. I can't really judge this, I don't have such technical knowledge, nor do we know entirely what is going on inside of Russia and what state the Rosgvardia for instance is in.


    Btw, since you always go on about the AfD angle, I disagree with the notion that all of AfD is somehow uncritically pro-Russian, imo this just isn’t true.
     
    I didn't mean about Russia, but I called on you to be consistent - if you believe there should be no help for Ukraine, then Ukraine is none of your business. From what I understand, that is the AfD position (not yours personally, obviously).

    There was always potential for war, and yes, obviously the imperialist mentality of quite a few Russians is a problem. But I don’t think war was inevitable.
     
    This is a big, big question. It was all in the making for a long time. Of course, things could've been mitigated, many things could've been managed differently. But the principle differences may not have been reconcilable. That is, if one believes that the majority of Russians believe what Solovyov spouts.


    Russia was brutal in those conflicts
     
    My problem is that the world did see that brutality and did nothing. The Westerners ignored it, and then immediately swarmed into the EE, bought up all the better properties for cheap and started lecturing EEs about 70 year old history (with the goal to control them). The Chechens became real jihadists only later, after the second campaign, out of desperation. Yes, the separatism was spreading and it was understandable for Russia to do something. But the truth is is that the first war was lost. Btw, my views on the campaign in Chechnya have changed recently due to hearing more about it from the Russian Volunteer Corps. My political views didn't change, but the sympathy for the Russians who had been there increased and the understanding of how it was perceived. Especially now that they have to supplicate to Kadyrov.

    that there needs to be a security buffer zone across the 2014 border (so in RF territory itself),
     
    The security buffer issue will come up very soon, already has in fact, as a consequence of the savagery of this war and Russia's failure in it. Budanov wants at least 100kms.

    that there’ll be civil war in Russia and that this is a good thing
     
    There may or may not be, but I feel this will be huge. Bigger than the Singing Revolution back in 1989. And it's not up to us, it's all their own making. It's how they are. Eastern Slavs are different from us in some ways.

    From my pov the best one can hope for is that Russia is pushed out from as much of the territory occupied since February 2022 as possible and that the situation is then stabilized with a ceasefire like in Korea.
     
    The Ukes won't agree to it, but this is within the realm of possibility, definitely. I have heard at least one competent Ukrainian officer argue in that vein, mostly to preserve strength and avoid needless deaths. I don't think this is for us to decide or even influence much, this will depend on the efficiency of the Ukrainian troops.
  924. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon
     
    Not my fault. Obviously I don't agree with many "European values" today, I have never claimed otherwise. I can see that from an ethnic Latvian pov it's less than ideal if 25% of the population are Russians whose loyalty might be questionable if Russia ever threatened the independence of the Baltic states again. If there were an easy way to get those who have an anti-Latvian mindset to leave, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But you must know you yourself that these things aren't easy.
    I also feel that you judge affairs in Ukraine too much as if they were identical to the situation in the Baltic states, where most Russians are indeed fairly recent transplants. That's not true to the same extent in Crimea or Donbass...these aren't ancestral Ukrainian lands in the sense that they were only ever Ukrainian, if it hadn't been for "colonization" by Russia.

    disarming Ukraine was a mistake
     
    It would have been very difficult for Ukraine to maintain a nuclear deterrent, both for political and economic reasons.
    But yeah, maybe they should have acquired nuclear weapons. You don't really have sovereignty without them anyway.

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity.
     
    German right-wingers get ZERO solidarity from anybody else, so I don't see why we should be obliged to uncritically support the projects of other people (especially when they're nutcases like those "Free Russians"...do you really believe these people could ever acquire mass support in Russia or do anything constructive?).
    Btw, since you always go on about the AfD angle, I disagree with the notion that all of AfD is somehow uncritically pro-Russian, imo this just isn't true.

    I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like “When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war”.
     
    There was always potential for war, and yes, obviously the imperialist mentality of quite a few Russians is a problem. But I don't think war was inevitable.

    There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia
     
    Russia was brutal in those conflicts (especially in Chechnya), but it's not like it was just Russia which was to blame here. There really were jihadis in Chechnya who were a threat to the entire Caucasus and who committed terrorist attacks within Russia. Georgia also wasn't completely innocent in the 2008 war either (or at least acted rather imprudently). So I can't agree with those black-and-white characterizations that it's always just about Russian imperialism and that the only solution would be the dismemberment of Russia and then everything would be fine, imo that's fantasy.

    I haven’t been describing what should be done all that much.
     
    You've repeatedly made comments along the lines of that Russia needs to be expelled from Crimea and all of Donbass, that there needs to be a security buffer zone across the 2014 border (so in RF territory itself), that there'll be civil war in Russia and that this is a good thing etc. imo this is all crazy, unrealistic and dangerous. From my pov the best one can hope for is that Russia is pushed out from as much of the territory occupied since February 2022 as possible and that the situation is then stabilized with a ceasefire like in Korea. Of course that's hardly ideal either, but this idea that it's possible to inflict a crushing defeat on Russia, destroy her as a great power and avoid nuclear war while doing so, imo that's dangerous wishful thinking.

    Replies: @LatW

    Not my fault.

    It’s not your personal fault, of course, but you have often sounded as if we have never accommodated to either Russia or the West, when in fact we did try to accommodate to both in various ways over time. Only to be chastised on forums like this one later.

    [MORE]

    I can see that from an ethnic Latvian pov it’s less than ideal if 25% of the population are Russians whose loyalty might be questionable

    They are not questionable at all, but are very explicitely clear and loudly expressed or were at least relatively recently. All Russophones are not the same, of course, most of them are totally acceptable, but a large chunk of them are objectively a big problem, and should have been simply deported, but the State Department forced us to naturalize them all.

    I only wanted basic respect, nothing else. For years, on May 9, they would literally have a huge rally close to the downtown and then when the rally (which included a lot of humorous stuff that I don’t want to discuss in public, lol), they would all gather in a large procession, and demonstratively march through the Old City, screaming from the top of their lungs “Rossiya, Rossiya!”. Including young men. They marched through the town that was built by Germans, Latvians, Jews, Estonians, Swedes. Past the main Lutheran church, past the cafes were grandmas were sitting with their grandchildren and having tea. Our men are incredible for being so patient and only recently have I understood their MO – deescalation and not responding to open provocation. Smart! A big middle finger to these Russians – march on and look like idiots. If I had been a 19 year old man at that time, it would have been different. Thank God I’m not.

    Why did I have to put up with this? Anyway, it may not even matter anymore…

    If there were an easy way to get those who have an anti-Latvian mindset to leave, I wouldn’t be opposed to it. But you must know you yourself that these things aren‘t easy.

    That’s exactly what I’m saying – we had to accommodate. It was the right thing to do, because most people are normal and they deserved to be included, protected. But these Russians, too, are tormented, because of what happened after 1991 and even before, and they are tormenting everyone else who lives next to them.

    I also feel that you judge affairs in Ukraine too much as if they were identical to the situation in the Baltic states, where most Russians are indeed fairly recent transplants.

    The Baltic States are very different from Ukraine in many aspects (but there are also similarities), but those Russians in Crimea and Kherson were also recent transplants, the ones that arrived after 2014.
    Not the ones who lived there before, ofc. The question here is about sovereignty and territorial integrity, not just about ethnicity. We have a lot of countries with large minorities, ethnic enclaves, where the territorial integrity is still preserved. You are only making an exception here because Russia is physically stronger and was able to get away with annexation.

    It would have been very difficult for Ukraine to maintain a nuclear deterrent

    They are tech savvy and they could’ve consulted with Israel where to get what.

    German right-wingers get ZERO solidarity from anybody else, so I don’t see why we should be obliged to uncritically support the projects of other people

    No, you shouldn’t but then you should also back down from meddling in others’ affairs. The problem for you is that you are not in power.

    especially when they’re nutcases like those “Free Russians”…do you really believe these people could ever acquire mass support in Russia or do anything constructive?).

    For years, I thought that no. Recently I’ve been having second thoughts. Again, there are two groups there – the Legion of Freedom of Russia is a moderate group, that masses could support (the White Blue White flag), not huge masses and maybe not the majority but a considerable number of people. As to the Russian Volunteer Corps, it is a very specific group, with a narrow ideology, that most Russians would not subscribe to (however, it appears that more than I previously thought might). Btw, this ideology is much more benign than it looks. The sad reality of these EE WNs is that they look scary, but they have an internal vulnerability. All they ask for is a white only society (in a society that was originally already white only!!!, well, except parts of Russia, but not most!) and no openly displayed gender fluidity. No imperialism, no wars with close nations. No wars among Slavic nations or hostility towards European nations. They don’t really ask for a lot but are called evil. Their methods of course is a different matter (they have limited choice).

    All kinds of convos are happening now in Ukraine and on the Russian dissident fora. I even heard something that it would be possible to do something significant with a mere 5-10K men. I can’t really judge this, I don’t have such technical knowledge, nor do we know entirely what is going on inside of Russia and what state the Rosgvardia for instance is in.

    Btw, since you always go on about the AfD angle, I disagree with the notion that all of AfD is somehow uncritically pro-Russian, imo this just isn’t true.

    I didn’t mean about Russia, but I called on you to be consistent – if you believe there should be no help for Ukraine, then Ukraine is none of your business. From what I understand, that is the AfD position (not yours personally, obviously).

    There was always potential for war, and yes, obviously the imperialist mentality of quite a few Russians is a problem. But I don’t think war was inevitable.

    This is a big, big question. It was all in the making for a long time. Of course, things could’ve been mitigated, many things could’ve been managed differently. But the principle differences may not have been reconcilable. That is, if one believes that the majority of Russians believe what Solovyov spouts.

    Russia was brutal in those conflicts

    My problem is that the world did see that brutality and did nothing. The Westerners ignored it, and then immediately swarmed into the EE, bought up all the better properties for cheap and started lecturing EEs about 70 year old history (with the goal to control them). The Chechens became real jihadists only later, after the second campaign, out of desperation. Yes, the separatism was spreading and it was understandable for Russia to do something. But the truth is is that the first war was lost. Btw, my views on the campaign in Chechnya have changed recently due to hearing more about it from the Russian Volunteer Corps. My political views didn’t change, but the sympathy for the Russians who had been there increased and the understanding of how it was perceived. Especially now that they have to supplicate to Kadyrov.

    that there needs to be a security buffer zone across the 2014 border (so in RF territory itself),

    The security buffer issue will come up very soon, already has in fact, as a consequence of the savagery of this war and Russia’s failure in it. Budanov wants at least 100kms.

    that there’ll be civil war in Russia and that this is a good thing

    There may or may not be, but I feel this will be huge. Bigger than the Singing Revolution back in 1989. And it’s not up to us, it’s all their own making. It’s how they are. Eastern Slavs are different from us in some ways.

    From my pov the best one can hope for is that Russia is pushed out from as much of the territory occupied since February 2022 as possible and that the situation is then stabilized with a ceasefire like in Korea.

    The Ukes won’t agree to it, but this is within the realm of possibility, definitely. I have heard at least one competent Ukrainian officer argue in that vein, mostly to preserve strength and avoid needless deaths. I don’t think this is for us to decide or even influence much, this will depend on the efficiency of the Ukrainian troops.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
  925. @Max Payne
    @Yahya

    This has nothing to do with the current discussion you are having about the difference in IQ between Asian and Whites.



    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.

    It's quite curious. I rarely can find an Arab who has ever taken that stance. I have to wonder if the current softening of the Arab world is not due to the young nouveau-riche that have fallen to the long-game PSYOPs of "Israel isn't so bad".

    Most things I hear from Arabs are:
    -Arabs have been occupied by Turks, Brits, et. al and have never been truly free.
    -The British split the Arab world in 22 (or 24, can't recall) nations as part of their plan
    -Since Israel any independent stable working government/entity must be destroyed, harassed, etc. Syria, Iraq, Libya vs Jordan (UK-connections/marriage), Saudi Arabia (UK/US alliance), Egypt (Mubarak/Sisi both seem US friendly).

    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?

    I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood lasted a whole year before the CIA-approved Sisi junta came into power if I recall correctly..... (classic playbook, an officer once trained in the US takes government). Does anyone comment on this in Egypt or is the media totally denied to point out the obvious? Also any particular reason why Egypt is blowing money on the 'Octagon'? Bigger-er and better-er than the Pentagon I see... but still just 5 minutes away from the capital; can't be bothered with strategically remote locations....

    With the levels of corruption in Egypt do you not factor the large commitments organizations such as the CIA have in Egypt (to protect Israel)? Do Egyptians really see their military as something independent (consider the heavy ties it has to the US in procurement and training)?

    Does the Egyptian military act in the same manner as the silovik culture that holds the Russian state together? I don't think it does considering from outside perspective it's been infiltrated by many nations to some degree or another.

    I'm not saying Israel is to blame as it is true Arabs need to step up (in a lot of areas) but surely Israel is not helping uplift the Middle East (opposite in fact with assassinations, economic espionage, strikes on critical facilities, and near-total military hegemony thanks to the US.... not to mention the Israeli-beneficial wars across the Middle East that produce refugees that go wherever they can and the brain drain of those with means to immigrate to the West).

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?

    And yet even now as Israeli tourists raid Arab hotels of towels and TVs do the young people of the Middle East no longer see this apparent truth? Just out of strategic necessity Israel must destabilize the region at all costs. This has no play or factor in the overall landscape in your mind?

    Replies: @Yahya

    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.

    Did I say that?

    If you read my even older posts, I’m much harsher on Israel.

    My stance on Israel has softened somewhat after adopting a more rationalistic worldview.

    I believe the Jewish ethnos is worthy and valuable, and that Israel was necessary to preserve its existence. That Palestinians had to pay the price to accomplish this objective is unfortunate, but that’s the way it is. I only hope their misery is softened going forward, but I’ve reconciled myself with Israel’s existence.

    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?

    No. I’m not representative of the average young Arab, or any other Arab for that matter, save myself.

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?

    You are correct in your assessment.

    Israel could potentially be a net gain if their human capital is incorporated into the economic nexus of the region. That is the goal we should be striving for, while remaining wary of Israel nonetheless.

    I hope that Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews are repatriated to their pre-1948 homelands in the Arab World, and Israel becoming an exclusivist Ashkenazi state. That would preserve Ashkenazi capabilities better than a melting pot, and elevate the Arab world’s cultural productivity (Arab Jews were disproportionately represented in cultural activities during the early 20th century).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Yahya


    I hope that Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews are repatriated to their pre-1948 homelands in the Arab World, and Israel becoming an exclusivist Ashkenazi state. That would preserve Ashkenazi capabilities better than a melting pot, and elevate the Arab world’s cultural productivity (Arab Jews were disproportionately represented in cultural activities during the early 20th century).
     
    I don't think that very many Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews are keen to move to countries that are much poorer than Israel is, and also with a lot of very recent historical hostility towards Jews and Israel to boot!
  926. @Dmitry
    @Yahya


    Asians score higher than whites in the US
     
    In your view, why would Asians having average high test scores in the US, support the divergent economic development where Asia is many times more poor than Europe for most of the modern history, or difference of Nobel Prize per capita e.g. Switzerland vs. China. Switzerland winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 300,000 citizens. China winning 1 Nobel prize, for each 155 million citizens. Also how would it hindcast in the 18th, 19th, 20th century.

    Comparing people in the same school, will have more valid results, than between different cultures, as you remove some more of the confounders, like the different cultural understanding of the test. But it's not explained what you are testing, i.e. the literacy, conformity.

    You are adding connection of this theme to the topic of economic development, when you seemed to say Egypt cannot develop without "genetic engineering", or India has high levels of peasants because of genetic issues although this ratio will change every year as they industrialize, which you are also connecting the genetic components to the puzzle test scores.


    Do they value education more in the first place? If so, why? If it’s theological in basis

     

    It's possible or likely there will be hereditary aspects of peoples' personality, which is making them more suitable for academic jobs, or another kind of jobs which are useful in the modern economy. It's also likely this proportion can vary in groups if there is some kinds of selection.

    For example, as every manager would learn, good engineering, depends on specific personality type. This can be significantly culture, but there are also in every group people who are born more suitable for engineering, than other people. You know, people who literary writers who live in dream world, use their imagination since childhood, could likely be very dangerous to work as engineers.

    Across different groups, there could be different distributions of genes for these different personalities. In complex system, there can also be selection for different personalities, in different historical epochs or environments, that changes the proportion of the genes in a group.

    But this discussion becomes more unclear, when wild claims about complex systems like national development, people are introduced who would probably explain the reason India and China are not good in football, as result of some genetic variable you would "mystically" test by asking people some unrelated puzzle test like how long they can balance a football on their foot.

    Btw, Egypt doesn't need to wait for magic carpets before having a path for development. They would just need to join the EU. Before German Reader begins to have nightmares, I'm not saying EU has to accept Egypt. But, in theory, if Egypt joins the EU, follows the management advice for internal reform, would have a path for development without "genetic engineering".

    I think we would see even Ukraine, has a path for development in the 2030s, if they join the EU.

    Replies: @Yahya

    I will get back to you with a comprehensive post on the new thread (if I can muster the willpower).

  927. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I always view Belarus and Ukraine as quite different countries.
     
    But they are quite different, even if they are similar as well. They essentially have the same language. But the temperament is different, and partly the ethnic composition.

    Yet, I was born after the collapse of the USSR.
     
    :)

    Well, I'm sure we'd notice the same things about BL and UA, they are sort of objective. I never considered them "one" country, anything that I would consider "one" is only from common ethnic heritage aspect (not because of the SU which was a recent and rather short lived country in fact).


    Even Prague 1968 was kind of like this.
     
    Well, you still have to be very careful with this kind of a thing, an occupying force in a foreign country is not at home, but the locals are at home. Whereas your home city, such as Belgorod, should be fortified with territorial defense, especially if you're fighting a war next door. And they are admitting this on the propaganda channels - post factum, one of the propagandist said there needs to be a new cossack regimen stationed there, it just confirms what I said about their attitude. They live in their heads, not in reality. And then talk on the tv about how things "should be". There's nothing easier than that.

    Btw, because relations are good with, let's say, Kaliningrad, there is no need for more troops there. Pskov can stay completely unarmed and nothing will happen there. It is safe. The border with NATO is safe. Where there is no NATO, it is not safe - isn't that ironic?


    Those commanders today which are older than around 50, would know people on the other side as it was the same army until 30 years ago. E.g. Surovikin was fighter in the Afghanistan war.
     
    This is correct, but remember also that 30 years is a long time in a person's life (and even in the life of institutions). So a lot can change, especially for those who are barely 50. In the case of Ukraine's military today, it is exactly this middle generation that is leading the operations, they have knowledge from both the Soviet era and their more recent education that they received during the free years. And those older are using the Soviet education in rather skillful ways to defend themselves. And then there are the young ones, under 40, who are raised already differently and many of who have decent training.

    But you do have a point re: Afghanistan, etc. In our military there is one high ranking commander who actually graduated from the aviation institute in Kharkov. They reviewed the dudes who had been in high posts in the Soviet military and they kept some of them.

    And this was similar in the previous times as well, some of the White soldiers and officers who fought for the Empire in WW1 and the Civil War, later went into the militaries that followed them (interesting, on both sides, both anti-Bolshevik such as ROA and some in fact joined the Soviet army, afaik).

    And yes, they shouldn't all be fighting each other, this is awful (even if it's always been that way in history).


    As I said, until around 10 years ago, there was regular fighting in Russia. It was reported quietly in the media.
     
    I actually brought this up a few years ago on this forum, because those skirmishes were quite bad, with quite a few Dags dying as well as some Russian soldiers. But this is all in the Caucasus, away from the Slavic population (except the soldiers and their families).

    You know the traditional joke. “We want to destroy America and get a Green Card”.
     
    This is something I cannot relate to at all. I don't get the propaganda side, if you're going to live in the West, why trash the West? I understand that for Solovyov it's how he makes his money, it's just I could never stoop that low. And the people do know, and yet they do not say anything.

    I guess Medvedev there is something similar. Last year, his son was removed from America only several months after the invasion of Ukraine.
     
    It's not great and doesn't look good at all, but it's not as bad as deliberately having anchor babies in the US (while still being married to your first wife?), and then attacking the coach of the national basketball team. This is totally unacceptable behavior. This person is laughing in the face of the real Russians (in fact, he's lying to the Russian people and making money that way). I wouldn't tolerate it. The Russian freedom fighters won't either.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    away from the Slavic population

    This is not true, a lot of slavic population are living in those areas, although the number is falling especially in the later Soviet epoch.

    Grozny was a majority Russian city for most of the 20th century. Even in the 1990s, the majority of the civilian killed in the bombings of Grozny were the Russians by nationality as more Chechen civilians on average able to escape to villages.

    I cannot relate to at all. I don’t get the propaganda side, if you’re going to live in the West, why trash the West?

    For the elite, it is continuing the Soviet ideology for management of the farm, not following it for themselves.

    For ordinary people, although the geopolitical situation in the 20th century of the ideological enemy superpowers is a unique, I wouldn’t say it is especially unique for the relation between the developed and developing countries. People want to immigrate to the developed countries, but not everyone is ideologically consistent. Sometimes Algerian immigrants in France, continue with the Algerian flag. Conservative Pakistanis might continue with the anti-Western ideologies, even while many dream to emigrate to the developed Western country.

    it’s not as bad as deliberately having anchor babies in the US (while still being married to your first wife?), and then attacking the coach of the national basketball team. This is totally unacceptable behavior. This person is laughing in the face of the real Russians

    Somehow, I don’t think his situation is so happy nowadays. He has a lot of girlfriends and children, with all the privileges of court. His girlfriend probably wanted to emigrate and he wanted the pension years in Miami or Haiwaii.

    Well, nowadays, he is not going to be accepted in the West and he will only have the pension years in Crimea. There is something similar with Medvedev.

    I would assume, Medvedev’s family has property in America and will not be able to access. After some months, Medvedev is writing exaggerated anti-Western comments in the social media. Probably, some of the dreams of the younger years, for the pension years were broken eventually.

  928. S says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Did I lecture you on something like the rights of Russians in Latvia?
     
    I wasn't talking about you personally, but about the collective West, the Western European governments have been particularly nasty in this regard, as well as various pseudo-institutions, I regret deeply that we listened to them and compromised. The NATO membership is good to have but it came at a huge cost and the contingency plan was never really there, it is only being built up now (!!).

    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).
     
    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much - you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn't care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA. Beckow screeching the loudest. Not that it would matter, but it is this kind of bs hypocrisy that I hate.

    I’m not a big fan of the concept of “human rights” anyway, nor for interfering in the internal matters of other states. My issue is quite simply that I think it would be a catastrophe if it came to a direct NATO-Russia war, and that one has to be very cautious to avoid such a possibly existential risk. Why is that so difficult to understand for you?
     
    You tie it to human rights a lot, which I don't think is appropriate, since Ukraine has not received a real EU membership plan. If we are going to advance universal human rights principles, then we should apply them to everyone, including Russia. We cannot have an approach where we claim to be the enabler of civilizational norms and only enforce them selectively upon those who are weaker, and not on those who are "strong and dangerous", as you say.

    To be cautious, is a different matter. I have a few criticisms for certain steps Ukraine has made as well as some remarks regarding the general political culture, but I will not voice them publicly because right now I have to support them 100%. There is a Ukrainian in a trench bleeding for me right now.

    For a much larger scale question, to "avoid existential risk", the question becomes about the security vacuum in EE after 1991. We have already spoken about this a lot (disarming Ukraine was a mistake, it is largely their own fault for not putting their foot down in time, but Clinton admitted he knew that there would be war already in 2011). It's a larger issue that has to do with the weakness of the EEs and the mistakes they made since 1991 (allowing this to fester).

    And, btw, it ticks me off when you vote for the AfD but then you trash Ukrainian and Russian ethnonats, who are all against mass migration, etc. Just goes to show there is no such thing as nationalist solidarity. Was stupid of me to believe there was all these years, it was just silly fantasies.


    I don’t agree however that it was wrong in principle to try to “appease” Russia by something like the Minsk agreements. Yeah, maybe they weren’t fair, but we see now where the alternative has led to, and imo the results aren’t exactly positive.
     
    Most likely, the seeds of this war were planted much much earlier than Minsk. I have stated this many times, that I once heard a Ukrainian veteran say something like "When I heard Zhirinovsky talk in 1989, I knew there was going to be war". I have accepted that Western Europeans simply don't understand this and never will.

    there are many repressive regimes in the world, a values-based policy in which one just refuses to interact with them will also lead nowhere. There are always trade-offs.
     
    Of course, one still has to deal with them, I never said otherwise. But then be frank to yourself and admit that they are different. For Russia it was something "in between", never truly properly defined. Because of the past. There was also aggression in Chechnya (and I agree that there is much to be discussed there) and Georgia, but for you it didn't matter. Thing is, it mattered for others. They are still out there.

    For Russia especially this is a huge missed opportunity, which is very regretful. It's just sad.


    I don’t give a fuck about the profits of German supermarket chains
     
    You don't, but others do. :) Hahaha, it's all good. It's great stuff.

    as if the limited economic value of the Baltic states could ever be compensation for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    Then we return back to the issue of the security vacuum. Which will now hopefully be finally filled.

    for the geopolitical risks of the crazy policies you’re in favour of.
     
    You have misunderstood my somewhat provocative style of writing (slight trolling) with being in favor of policy or promoting certain steps. I have mostly just been describing things - how one side thinks (the Ukrainian side and the friends). I haven't been describing what should be done all that much.

    I’m not even totally opposed to that concept, but the problem is that over a certain threshold (especially when it comes to Crimea, or the integrity of the pre-war RF itself)
     
    Btw, what is this? There's no such legal term.

    You (meaning your bellicose politicians especially) really need to be quiet for a while.
     
    There are things that they should be quiet about and moments when they should be more quiet (when they are not), but there are also moments when they shouldn't be. It varies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    I don’t think I have (in fact iirc years ago I wrote something along the lines of that Russians should just leave Latvia if they don’t like it there).

    See, this is exactly what ticks me off about you so much – you know darn well, that those are nothing but empty words, that talking about real repatriation and decolonization would have been frowned upon (was ridiculed in fact by both local liberals and Western embassy people), that this is not realistic and that if there was a real decolonization effort (it is not there mostly because the majority didn’t care enough to commit to it), then there would be shrieking from all kinds of lefties in unison with the Russian MFA.

    Though they’d never publicly admit it, the real reason that self proclaimed ‘liberals’/’progressives’ would have ‘frowned upon’ and ‘ridiculed’ ‘real repatriation and decolonization’ is that the alien wage slave ‘immigrant’/’refugee’ represents for them a primary source of both potential financial wealth and political power (the same as the paralleling chattel slave once had to the Anglosphere progressive’s New England political and spiritual slave dealing/owning forebears) as succinctly described on pg 4 of the 2003 academic paper excerpted and linked below. [Scroll down about two inches from the top to see and read the whole paper if you wish.]

    For this reason it wasn’t at all a ‘coincidence’ that Massachusetts uber progressive Susan Warren chose to launch her 2020 presidential campaign from Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Mass like she did.

    This very profitable divide and rule scheme, not dissimilar in certain ways to the Roman colonia and English ‘plantation(s)’ of the past, gets to the very heart of the modern Anglosphere’s so called ‘progressive’ power.

    [My personal belief is (generally) if past colonization by diktat is the cause of still ongoing friction, ie a ‘living’ dispute, as opposed to being forgotten about for a thousand years. People should be willing to take their colonists back to avoid a never healing festering wound and a cause of perpetual discord. That’s why I can’t hold it against the Irish that they ‘asked’ (to put it mildly’) English Protestant colonists and descendants to leave Ireland after having gained their independence in the early 1920’s.]

    https://www.academia.edu/27219183/Between_urban_and_national_Political_mobilization_among_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_towns_

    ‘…the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony…’

    To advance the project of territorial ethnicization, the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony…Meanwhile, the immigrants are contributing to the important national project of settlement, which provides them with a sense of belonging and certain material gains from the settling state…while the natives find themselves entirely excluded.

  929. @Mikel
    @LatW


    you never committed to anything
     
    Exactly. Nobody ever asked me or the other hundreds of millions of interested parties anything. It was all cooked up in much higher spheres than the ordinary citizenry. But I couldn't have cared less at the time. I didn't think that our leaders would be so insane as to throw in the trash bin the best opportunity humanity has known of leaving behind the nuclear holocaust threat.

    My country does not have any military anyway. The Spaniards "kindly" volunteered to take that task from us and they were as enthusiastic as anyone else to expand NATO towards Russia. Right now there are plenty of Spanish soldiers and pilots in the Baltics making sure that Russia doesn't attack you and willing, if the need arises, to act as a tripwire and lead us all to a confrontation where my people, both in the old and the new country (but especially in the former) could disappear for your independence.

    That is the plain truth, apparently too inconvenient for you to recognize.

    you are ok with my children and Ukrainian children dying just so that you can sleep at night
     
    What a disgusting accusation to someone who has spoken up here against the Russian atrocities from day one and received abuse from all the resident Putinists for that reason. Are your hormonal levels misadjusted?

    In any case, I sleep very well at night, thank you. Apparently much better than you, who are commenting here at a very unusual time for a Latvian. If your doctor tells you that your cholesterol levels are high you're not going to stop sleeping because now your chances of a cardiac event are 5%, unless you're a hypochondriac, but you do have a concern that you didn't have before and it's real. Cholesterol levels don't usually stop climbing by just not thinking about them. Much less by not talking about them to avoid irritating someone in Latvia. Thanks to this preventable war, the "cholesterol levels" of all of my family and everyone I care about are too high now.

    And speaking of killing children, you have just decided to mention the one thing that separates us in all this. I am against Russia's killing of innocent people as much as I was against the same behavior by the Ukrainians in Donbas. You, on the contrary, only oppose Russia's killing of children now but defended the Ukrainians when they did it. The one who is OK with killing children, depending on who does it and why, is you, not me, as our commenting history proves.

    What I want from you is never going to happen – I want you to stop being such hypocrites.
     
    As expected. Far from showing any gratitude, it's you who thinks that you can lecture Westerners who complain about this idiotic situation of a nuclear threat due to NATO's interventionism and the superpower dreams of your neighbor.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Dmitry

    I’m not a medical worker, but I would be sceptical wars in other countries, will be causing your cholesterol levels to increase.

    Probably exercise more, play tennis, swim twice a week, will have more effect for improving peoples’ cholesterol than even world peace between all countries.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Dmitry

    It looks like I failed to properly convey the analogy that came to my mind when latw suggested that I couldn't sleep well because of the war. But thanks for those suggestions. I actually follow some more energetic ones and my bloodwork is fine.

  930. @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    I'm not a medical worker, but I would be sceptical wars in other countries, will be causing your cholesterol levels to increase.

    Probably exercise more, play tennis, swim twice a week, will have more effect for improving peoples' cholesterol than even world peace between all countries.

    Replies: @Mikel

    It looks like I failed to properly convey the analogy that came to my mind when latw suggested that I couldn’t sleep well because of the war. But thanks for those suggestions. I actually follow some more energetic ones and my bloodwork is fine.

  931. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    Personality traits are highly heritable and parents usually impress their cultural values on their children. Vast majority of Asians only migrated to the US very recently. No need for IQism explanations here.
     
    I realized you may have been addressing the question of why Asians outperform whites in income.

    But that’s not the question I raised in my previous comment.

    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.

    Replies: @Max Payne, @Ron Unz

    I was asking why do East Asians in the US outscore whites on IQ tests? (100 vs 105)

    Dmitry says urbanization and literacy can explain cross-national differences in IQ.

    I’m pointing out that even when literacy rates and urbanization are comparable, such as within the US, there are still substantial cross-group differences in IQ.

    Someone brought to my attention that there was a heavy discussion of IQ issues on this thread, including focus on work of Lynn/Vanhanen and La Griffe du Lion. He was quite surprised that the participants seemed unaware of my own series of articles from about a decade ago that I think drastically transformed the IQ debate. I strongly suggest that all of you should take a look at this first couple of pieces, with the follow-ups linked at the bottom:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-iq-and-wealth/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-east-asian-exception-to-socio-economic-iq-influences/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/unz-on-raceiq-response-to-lynn-and-nyborg/

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool, Yahya
  932. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    But you think it is beyond him to simply aim Iranian drones at civilian areas?
     
    He's definitely as willing to kill civilians as Poroshenko was in Donbass, if not more. But I haven't seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose. Much though the killing of any civilian disgusts me, these strikes on apartment buildings were likely either "collateral damage" or stray Ukrainian AD missiles, like the one that landed in Poland.

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    I haven’t seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose.

    So you believe he is currently targeting military targets in densely populated civilian areas?

    Do you believe that 2 stroke Iranian drones are capable of pinpoint accuracy? You believe a military target was next to these apartment buildings and he simply missed?

    When he tried to freeze Europe was that an attempt at killing civilians? Why is it hard to believe that he would target civilian areas with Iranian drones if he was willing to freeze old German ladies to death?

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Casualties in the milita fighting had dropped off to around 25 per year. That means more ethnic Russian died by drowning accidents in the last few years.

    Peak casualties were in 2014 and the largest group was ethnic Ukrainian:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    I don’t support attacking civilians in any context. The Ukrainian government has not targeted civilians. The bulk of the fighting has been by militias in civilian areas.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    If you care about civilians do not support and prolong this unnecessary war created entirely by the West.

    People thought the West had "stared Russia down" in 1991 and 2014 and are now confused and angry because that is not actually what happened.

    This is serious. It is a battle between the two most lethal military powers in history. The conflict was entirely instigated by one distant country threatening and then starting trouble on the border of the other, viciously using the hapless Ukrainians as a proxy. The combat has already led to hundreds of thousands of DEAD and may lead to a million DEAD in the BEST CASE. A hundred thousand is a football stadium full of wonderful human beings, all literally ripped to shreds, burned, crushed and dead because of Western power lust, fear and hubris. It may yet be tens of millions, maybe hundreds, do I hear a billion victims as a result of your human weakness?

    You people cheerleading for Ukraine are sick. Please stop your blood thirsty delusional lying.

    Th worst peace is better than the best war.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  933. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    Both RusFed and the West are to blame for this war.
     
    Where have I ever said that there were no mistakes on the West's side? However, the West cannot be blamed for the incursion. Although if one considers that Obama held Ukraine away from defending Crimea in 2014 and that the West disarmed Ukraine, then maybe the West should be responsible after all.

    But the truth is, had the RusFed just annexed the two regions on top of Crimea, the West would have accepted it. They would have objected, of course, but they would not have done anything real about it.


    Also, you intrinsically are biased against the pro-Russian Donbas and Lugansk people and in favor of the pro-Ukrainian forces.
     
    The Ukrainian soldiers are defending my property with their life. So it would be weird of me to not support them. As to Donbas, I consider them mostly victims and have stated many many times, that I have sympathy for the innocent victims there and I was the only one who suggested that maybe the victims there should be compensated through the reparations. Of course, all of these statements were ignored by the likes of Mikel and all the others. But if you mean people such as Givi, then yea, I consider them strange and hostile external elements to Ukraine.

    It is normal due to your ethnic and cultural background and ideological alignment.
     
    I sometimes judge objectively regardless of my background, but of course that is not noticed.

    despite your rather Russophile outlook
     
    I'm Russophile despite everything that the RusFedian propagandists and vatniks have said and done, which is frankly a real miracle. Most are not that way, trust me.

    a Russophobe when it comes to Ukraine.
     
    Ukraine and the Ukrainian culture have a right to exist. No less than the Russian or German culture.

    This conflict didn’t start in 2022, it started on Maidan or arguably even earlier.
     
    This conflict started hundreds of years ago and our Baltic conflict with you started with Ivan Grozny and the Livonian wars, if not earlier, probably even earlier. You know, I'm not dumb - I understand what happened in Maidan. We should've all parted in 1991 (maybe certain arrangements should've been made then but it is messy, there's a lot that goes into it besides just Crimea and Donbas). But you never accepted it as final it turns out. You should've been honest about it.

    This conflict is not “Imperial Russia” invading Ukraine. There is no “Imperial Russia” since 1917 and the USSR is long dead.
     
    I don't care what it is called, those are just words. What matters is what happens on the ground, on the ground soldiers from the RusFed side have trespassed and are even planting red flags in occupied territory. The fact that there are Chechens and Buryat with RusFed passports killing Ukrainian men and boys and even women is a great insult. But let's not pretend there are no ethnic Russians there.

    “проблема в том что Русский Мир и не-Русский и не мир“
     
    I understand very well what they mean, there is truth to it, but only partially. What language do the invaders speak?

    It is a simulacra war that makes real people suffer.
     
    There are definitely simulacra elements at play here, but there are also genuine ethnic interests on Ukraine's side.

    Putin is not the only one to blame here, they all are.
     
    Of course, not just Putin, but also Kovalchuk, Patrushev, the rabid and overpaid propagandists.

    But you would have to be more specific here for me to accept this. To just say there are clandestine groups that wish ill... let them come out then. That there are certain overseas groups that have interests, I am not denying that.

    But there is also a genuine striving to be free and there is real solidarity from the West. We are just tired of RusFed, it's been 30 years of hostility, we are tired and want change. We want to be free of this finally.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    What language do the invaders speak?

    נו, זיי קענען נישט אַלע רעדן ייִדיש

    Silly answer to a silly question…

    [MORE]

    (I know that you are not silly at all, quite the opposite – you are admirably smart).

    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?

    🙂

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?
     
    😳

    It's very beautiful now, it's waxing.

    Well, this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating). Better relax and listen to some Moon music. :)

    Btw, isn't it awesome that silviosilver came out? I hope he writes some more. It's funny and almost uncanny, just the other day I thought it would be so fitting if he could inject some energy here, even thought for a second what could be written to get him back. I'm not kidding. :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i_r6T7EVho

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKdr0RvPUw&list=RDEMG4mGiKdPkShQsjcR0UO4fw&index=28

    Eternal fighter
    Healing silencer

    You will fall again
    And you will end again

    So there can be resurrection again
    So the sempiternal cycle can begin again

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  934. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    What language do the invaders speak?
     
    נו, זיי קענען נישט אַלע רעדן ייִדיש

    Silly answer to a silly question...

    (I know that you are not silly at all, quite the opposite - you are admirably smart).

    https://astromatrix.app/images/astrotarot/Tarot%20Major%20Arcana/The%20Moon.jpg

    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?

    🙂

    Replies: @LatW

    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?

    😳

    It’s very beautiful now, it’s waxing.

    Well, this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating). Better relax and listen to some Moon music. 🙂

    Btw, isn’t it awesome that silviosilver came out? I hope he writes some more. It’s funny and almost uncanny, just the other day I thought it would be so fitting if he could inject some energy here, even thought for a second what could be written to get him back. I’m not kidding. 🙂

    Eternal fighter
    Healing silencer

    You will fall again
    And you will end again

    So there can be resurrection again
    So the sempiternal cycle can begin again

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating).
     
    Same here. Spring doing its magic. The ancestors were right when they placed the new year's day in the spring. It really feels like a new turn of the cycle is starting.


    Много странствовал я в разных краях земли; я побывал в гостях у многих народов и срывал по колоску с каждой нивы, ибо лучше ходить босиком, чем в тесной обуви, лучше терпеть все невзгоды пути, чем сидеть дома… И еще скажу: на каждую новую весну нужно выбирать и новую любовь: друг, прошлогодний календарь не годится сегодня!..
     
    Саади

    And yeah, silviosilver is among my favorite commenters too. I like his ironic style.

    Replies: @LatW

  935. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    I haven’t seen any evidence that the Russian missile strikes are targeting civilian buildings on purpose.

    So you believe he is currently targeting military targets in densely populated civilian areas?

    Do you believe that 2 stroke Iranian drones are capable of pinpoint accuracy? You believe a military target was next to these apartment buildings and he simply missed?

    When he tried to freeze Europe was that an attempt at killing civilians? Why is it hard to believe that he would target civilian areas with Iranian drones if he was willing to freeze old German ladies to death?

    https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230103115252-kyiv-drone-attack-1017.jpg

    Btw, did you also feel disgust at the killing of thousands of civilians in Donbass before this war started?

    Casualties in the milita fighting had dropped off to around 25 per year. That means more ethnic Russian died by drowning accidents in the last few years.

    Peak casualties were in 2014 and the largest group was ethnic Ukrainian:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    I don't support attacking civilians in any context. The Ukrainian government has not targeted civilians. The bulk of the fighting has been by militias in civilian areas.

    Replies: @QCIC

    If you care about civilians do not support and prolong this unnecessary war created entirely by the West.

    People thought the West had “stared Russia down” in 1991 and 2014 and are now confused and angry because that is not actually what happened.

    This is serious. It is a battle between the two most lethal military powers in history. The conflict was entirely instigated by one distant country threatening and then starting trouble on the border of the other, viciously using the hapless Ukrainians as a proxy. The combat has already led to hundreds of thousands of DEAD and may lead to a million DEAD in the BEST CASE. A hundred thousand is a football stadium full of wonderful human beings, all literally ripped to shreds, burned, crushed and dead because of Western power lust, fear and hubris. It may yet be tens of millions, maybe hundreds, do I hear a billion victims as a result of your human weakness?

    You people cheerleading for Ukraine are sick. Please stop your blood thirsty delusional lying.

    Th worst peace is better than the best war.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    If you care about civilians do not support and prolong this unnecessary war created entirely by the West.

    Putin launched the invasion. It was started by him and not the West.

    If the West stopped providing weapons then the war would continue.

    The Ukrainians don't want to live under the dwarf dictator.

    It would turn into a partisan warfare if needed. It would become Russia's Vietnam where tank drivers in T-55s are lit on fire with molotov cocktails in Kiev streets. Over 200k AK-47s and tens of thousands of grenades were handed out for urban warfare. What do you think would happen if the US stopped sending weapons? The Ukrainians would shrug and hand those weapons in?

    The Ukrainians don't want to live under Putin and will gun down Russian 19 year olds if needed. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The USSR lost in Afghanistan and they were fighting a much smaller force. Your belief that Ukraine would simply accept Russian rule without the West is unsupported.

    People thought the West had “stared Russia down” in 1991 and 2014 and are now confused and angry because that is not actually what happened.

    I don't know what you mean by this.

    The USSR ended in 1991 with the Russians pulling out. It had massive economic problems that did not require "staring down" and I don't know what event you are talking about. The USSR was only held together by selling gas and natural resources to the West. It was a fraudulent state and had already accepted decades before that Marxism was a failure. Basically a totalitarian gas station with a Communist theme.

    Ukraine removed a corrupt pro-Russian president that even his own party disavowed. No one denies his corruption. Zelensky defeated the pro-Western candidate in 2019. Militia fighting was at a low since 2014. This is just a bitter little man playing conqueror and the world rightly views him as the instigator as seen by multiple UN votes.

    This is serious. It is a battle between the two most lethal military powers in history.

    This is serious which is why the dictator should go back to his borders.

  936. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool


    BTW are you in a bad moon mood ?
     
    😳

    It's very beautiful now, it's waxing.

    Well, this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating). Better relax and listen to some Moon music. :)

    Btw, isn't it awesome that silviosilver came out? I hope he writes some more. It's funny and almost uncanny, just the other day I thought it would be so fitting if he could inject some energy here, even thought for a second what could be written to get him back. I'm not kidding. :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i_r6T7EVho

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKdr0RvPUw&list=RDEMG4mGiKdPkShQsjcR0UO4fw&index=28

    Eternal fighter
    Healing silencer

    You will fall again
    And you will end again

    So there can be resurrection again
    So the sempiternal cycle can begin again

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating).

    Same here. Spring doing its magic. The ancestors were right when they placed the new year’s day in the spring. It really feels like a new turn of the cycle is starting.

    [MORE]

    Много странствовал я в разных краях земли; я побывал в гостях у многих народов и срывал по колоску с каждой нивы, ибо лучше ходить босиком, чем в тесной обуви, лучше терпеть все невзгоды пути, чем сидеть дома… И еще скажу: на каждую новую весну нужно выбирать и новую любовь: друг, прошлогодний календарь не годится сегодня!..

    Саади

    And yeah, silviosilver is among my favorite commenters too. I like his ironic style.

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    Very beautiful poem by Saadi, thanks.

    Spring is the time of the young God Yarilo:

    "The Proto-Slavic root *jarъ (jar), from Proto-Indo-European *yōr-, *yeh₁ro-, from *yeh₁r-, means "spring" or "summer", "strong", "furious", "imbued with youthful life-force". This youthful life-force was considered sacred in the Slavic pre-Christian religion and the god personifying this sacred force was thus called Jarovit, or Jarilo."

    Similar to the Russian word ярый (raging, furious, overly emotional such as буйный). Even similar to the word яркий (bright, spectacular). However, in my mind Yarilo has always been light, like a beautiful, warm spring day, not too rambunctious even, more exuberant in light and strength.

    Latvian spring deity, Ūsiņš (Uṣa - daybreak, morning light in Sanskrit, may be related to the Slavic усень - first day of spring), patron of horses (the horses were let out for nightly grazing for the first time after winter).

    Покатися, покатися
    По небу, по светлому
    Да гони ты хмуры тучи
    Да к Семи Холмам, хэй!

    Да к Семи Холмам могучим
    Что стоят во тьме веков
    Поверни ты Время - Коло
    По своим следам!

    Ой, да, Ярило! Ярило, Ярило!
    Небо хмурое вновь тебя явило
    Гой, ты, младой бог!
    Гой, к тебе взываем!
    В сердце цветня
    Песню воспеваем

    Ой, ты, гой еси! Гой еси, Ярило!
    Время Коло вспять поворотило
    Ты катись, катись до Зари-Зарницы

    (c) Arkona "Yarilo"

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  937. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    If you care about civilians do not support and prolong this unnecessary war created entirely by the West.

    People thought the West had "stared Russia down" in 1991 and 2014 and are now confused and angry because that is not actually what happened.

    This is serious. It is a battle between the two most lethal military powers in history. The conflict was entirely instigated by one distant country threatening and then starting trouble on the border of the other, viciously using the hapless Ukrainians as a proxy. The combat has already led to hundreds of thousands of DEAD and may lead to a million DEAD in the BEST CASE. A hundred thousand is a football stadium full of wonderful human beings, all literally ripped to shreds, burned, crushed and dead because of Western power lust, fear and hubris. It may yet be tens of millions, maybe hundreds, do I hear a billion victims as a result of your human weakness?

    You people cheerleading for Ukraine are sick. Please stop your blood thirsty delusional lying.

    Th worst peace is better than the best war.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    If you care about civilians do not support and prolong this unnecessary war created entirely by the West.

    Putin launched the invasion. It was started by him and not the West.

    If the West stopped providing weapons then the war would continue.

    The Ukrainians don’t want to live under the dwarf dictator.

    It would turn into a partisan warfare if needed. It would become Russia’s Vietnam where tank drivers in T-55s are lit on fire with molotov cocktails in Kiev streets. Over 200k AK-47s and tens of thousands of grenades were handed out for urban warfare. What do you think would happen if the US stopped sending weapons? The Ukrainians would shrug and hand those weapons in?

    The Ukrainians don’t want to live under Putin and will gun down Russian 19 year olds if needed. Why is this so hard for you to understand? The USSR lost in Afghanistan and they were fighting a much smaller force. Your belief that Ukraine would simply accept Russian rule without the West is unsupported.

    People thought the West had “stared Russia down” in 1991 and 2014 and are now confused and angry because that is not actually what happened.

    I don’t know what you mean by this.

    The USSR ended in 1991 with the Russians pulling out. It had massive economic problems that did not require “staring down” and I don’t know what event you are talking about. The USSR was only held together by selling gas and natural resources to the West. It was a fraudulent state and had already accepted decades before that Marxism was a failure. Basically a totalitarian gas station with a Communist theme.

    Ukraine removed a corrupt pro-Russian president that even his own party disavowed. No one denies his corruption. Zelensky defeated the pro-Western candidate in 2019. Militia fighting was at a low since 2014. This is just a bitter little man playing conqueror and the world rightly views him as the instigator as seen by multiple UN votes.

    This is serious. It is a battle between the two most lethal military powers in history.

    This is serious which is why the dictator should go back to his borders.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  938. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Went through a period when I was interested in classic rock. Sometimes, I would listen to this radio show:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_45s

    Can't say I liked everything I heard, but I appreciated how it was always something different, that I hadn't heard. Didn't sound commercial. Though, I suppose originally the songs were commercial hits of a sort.

    Boston once had some great radio stations. Though, I can't really listen to the radio anymore. Hate the commercials, etc. And public radio is like ear cancer, IMO.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Can’t say I liked everything I heard, but I appreciated how it was always something different, that I hadn’t heard. Didn’t sound commercial. Though, I suppose originally the songs were commercial hits of a sort.

    Your summation of pop music of this period (1965 – 1980), although made up of your own views comes very close to my own. The Beatles, and the “British Invasion” (Beatles, Rolling Stones, the Animals being the big three) ushered in a vibrant new period that helped shape things immensely, especially in the US too. A lot of these groups (Rolling Stones, the Animals, Spencer Davis Group, Cream, Yardbirds etc) also redefined the American blues style with their own catchy twang too. Then around 1968 a new totally different fusion of sounds, that goes under the nomenclature of “psychedelia” influenced a lot of quality sounds on both sides of the Atlantic. The tune “Sky Pilot” that I posted above was actually the commercial variant, whereas the full version was featured on the 1968 album “The Twain Shall Meet”. The full version is more than twice as long thaan the commercial version, clocking in at 7:27, that was also “over the top” for commercial rock radio stations of that time. A big difference between the two versions was the all important “interlude segment” that you can hear starting at 2:49 through 5:07. It’s really quite creative and artistic IMHO. The long version is all around a more satisfying and creative composition. The video clip is quite good too, with an interesting grouping of wartime photos:

    A bit more about the creative “interlude segment”. At the very least, you’ll probably appreciate the bagpipe sub-section:

    The interlude starts as a guitar solo [actually, a very high quality psychedelic guitar solo] , but the guitar is quickly submerged under a montage of battle sounds. First come the scary sounds of an airstrike with the “Jericho Trumpet” sirens of Junkers Ju 87 Stuka; then the airstrike and rock band fade into the sounds of shouting, gunfire, and bagpipes. Near the end of the interlude the battle sounds fade, briefly leaving the bagpipes playing alone before the third movement begins. The bagpipe music is a performance by the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards playing “All The Blue Bonnets Are Over the Border”. According to an unverified story, the pipers were recorded covertly by Burdon, resulting in the government of the United Kingdom sending the band a letter of complaint.[2]

    • Thanks: songbird
  939. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW


    this week was a bit intense (even if exhilarating).
     
    Same here. Spring doing its magic. The ancestors were right when they placed the new year's day in the spring. It really feels like a new turn of the cycle is starting.


    Много странствовал я в разных краях земли; я побывал в гостях у многих народов и срывал по колоску с каждой нивы, ибо лучше ходить босиком, чем в тесной обуви, лучше терпеть все невзгоды пути, чем сидеть дома… И еще скажу: на каждую новую весну нужно выбирать и новую любовь: друг, прошлогодний календарь не годится сегодня!..
     
    Саади

    And yeah, silviosilver is among my favorite commenters too. I like his ironic style.

    Replies: @LatW

    Very beautiful poem by Saadi, thanks.

    Spring is the time of the young God Yarilo:

    “The Proto-Slavic root *jarъ (jar), from Proto-Indo-European *yōr-, *yeh₁ro-, from *yeh₁r-, means “spring” or “summer”, “strong”, “furious”, “imbued with youthful life-force”. This youthful life-force was considered sacred in the Slavic pre-Christian religion and the god personifying this sacred force was thus called Jarovit, or Jarilo.”

    Similar to the Russian word ярый (raging, furious, overly emotional such as буйный). Even similar to the word яркий (bright, spectacular). However, in my mind Yarilo has always been light, like a beautiful, warm spring day, not too rambunctious even, more exuberant in light and strength.

    Latvian spring deity, Ūsiņš (Uṣa – daybreak, morning light in Sanskrit, may be related to the Slavic усень – first day of spring), patron of horses (the horses were let out for nightly grazing for the first time after winter).

    Покатися, покатися
    По небу, по светлому
    Да гони ты хмуры тучи
    Да к Семи Холмам, хэй!

    Да к Семи Холмам могучим
    Что стоят во тьме веков
    Поверни ты Время – Коло
    По своим следам!

    Ой, да, Ярило! Ярило, Ярило!
    Небо хмурое вновь тебя явило
    Гой, ты, младой бог!
    Гой, к тебе взываем!
    В сердце цветня
    Песню воспеваем

    Ой, ты, гой еси! Гой еси, Ярило!
    Время Коло вспять поворотило
    Ты катись, катись до Зари-Зарницы

    (c) Arkona “Yarilo”

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Semyon Dezhnev had Yarilo Zyryaninov as his Cossack nickname.

    That was in the seventeenth century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dezhnev

    The Komi people, called Zyriané in Velikoross parlance, mainly were Old Believer for some time, as also the Pomors and the Vologda folks were. Basically all these regions were heavily influenced by Novgorod before it fell under Muscovite conquest. And Komi have become Orthodox Christian only in the fourteenth century.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8_(%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4)

    Pyzhykov came to the conclusion that some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism). It makes sense given the geography and anthropology of the Old Believer communities.

    In the fifteenth century, the Orthodox missionaries and anachorite monks in these regions complained about the strong pagan beliefs of the country folk. The Raskol happened some five generations later.

    Replies: @LatW

  940. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    Very beautiful poem by Saadi, thanks.

    Spring is the time of the young God Yarilo:

    "The Proto-Slavic root *jarъ (jar), from Proto-Indo-European *yōr-, *yeh₁ro-, from *yeh₁r-, means "spring" or "summer", "strong", "furious", "imbued with youthful life-force". This youthful life-force was considered sacred in the Slavic pre-Christian religion and the god personifying this sacred force was thus called Jarovit, or Jarilo."

    Similar to the Russian word ярый (raging, furious, overly emotional such as буйный). Even similar to the word яркий (bright, spectacular). However, in my mind Yarilo has always been light, like a beautiful, warm spring day, not too rambunctious even, more exuberant in light and strength.

    Latvian spring deity, Ūsiņš (Uṣa - daybreak, morning light in Sanskrit, may be related to the Slavic усень - first day of spring), patron of horses (the horses were let out for nightly grazing for the first time after winter).

    Покатися, покатися
    По небу, по светлому
    Да гони ты хмуры тучи
    Да к Семи Холмам, хэй!

    Да к Семи Холмам могучим
    Что стоят во тьме веков
    Поверни ты Время - Коло
    По своим следам!

    Ой, да, Ярило! Ярило, Ярило!
    Небо хмурое вновь тебя явило
    Гой, ты, младой бог!
    Гой, к тебе взываем!
    В сердце цветня
    Песню воспеваем

    Ой, ты, гой еси! Гой еси, Ярило!
    Время Коло вспять поворотило
    Ты катись, катись до Зари-Зарницы

    (c) Arkona "Yarilo"

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Semyon Dezhnev had Yarilo Zyryaninov as his Cossack nickname.

    That was in the seventeenth century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dezhnev

    The Komi people, called Zyriané in Velikoross parlance, mainly were Old Believer for some time, as also the Pomors and the Vologda folks were. Basically all these regions were heavily influenced by Novgorod before it fell under Muscovite conquest. And Komi have become Orthodox Christian only in the fourteenth century.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8_(%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4)

    Pyzhykov came to the conclusion that some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism). It makes sense given the geography and anthropology of the Old Believer communities.

    In the fifteenth century, the Orthodox missionaries and anachorite monks in these regions complained about the strong pagan beliefs of the country folk. The Raskol happened some five generations later.

    • Thanks: LatW
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    Komi are related to Estonians, some of their words are similar.


    some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism).
     
    That's very believable, but which Euro paganism? Finns had different traditions than other Euros. This is all very unique, and should be preserved.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  941. LatW says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    Semyon Dezhnev had Yarilo Zyryaninov as his Cossack nickname.

    That was in the seventeenth century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semyon_Dezhnev

    The Komi people, called Zyriané in Velikoross parlance, mainly were Old Believer for some time, as also the Pomors and the Vologda folks were. Basically all these regions were heavily influenced by Novgorod before it fell under Muscovite conquest. And Komi have become Orthodox Christian only in the fourteenth century.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B8_(%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4)

    Pyzhykov came to the conclusion that some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism). It makes sense given the geography and anthropology of the Old Believer communities.

    In the fifteenth century, the Orthodox missionaries and anachorite monks in these regions complained about the strong pagan beliefs of the country folk. The Raskol happened some five generations later.

    Replies: @LatW

    Komi are related to Estonians, some of their words are similar.

    some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism).

    That’s very believable, but which Euro paganism? Finns had different traditions than other Euros. This is all very unique, and should be preserved.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @LatW

    When I write Euro, I exclude the Uralic/Finno-Ugric people. Basically, Indo-European. Derived from Unetice and Nordic Bronze Age. The Balto-Slav pagans were those who survived the longest, although they have probably lost most of their priestly elite that took around a couple of decades to teach and bring to maturity. Hence the tradition degraded into folk religion and fairytales, while a more spiritual and philosophical context was lost.

  942. @LatW
    @Ivashka the fool

    Komi are related to Estonians, some of their words are similar.


    some early Old Believer sects were syncretic with earlier forms of the Old Faith (European Paganism).
     
    That's very believable, but which Euro paganism? Finns had different traditions than other Euros. This is all very unique, and should be preserved.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    When I write Euro, I exclude the Uralic/Finno-Ugric people. Basically, Indo-European. Derived from Unetice and Nordic Bronze Age. The Balto-Slav pagans were those who survived the longest, although they have probably lost most of their priestly elite that took around a couple of decades to teach and bring to maturity. Hence the tradition degraded into folk religion and fairytales, while a more spiritual and philosophical context was lost.

  943. LatW says:

    When I write Euro, I exclude the Uralic/Finno-Ugric people.

    Me too, unless I talk about the European political community.

    although they have probably lost most of their priestly elite that took around a couple of decades to teach and bring to maturity.

    The ancestral priests continued to be around for some time after the Christianization. By the way, in Prussia they had legal functions, not just ritualistic.

    Hence the tradition degraded into folk religion and fairytales, while a more spiritual and philosophical context was lost.

    Well, there is still a spiritual component there, it is possible to glean some philosophical aspects as well, but it is very hard. There are a lot of ethical aspects.

  944. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.
     
    It provided an ideological justification for race hatred and immigrantophobia, something I deeply regret now that I recognize that tolerance and diversity is the only path to prosperity.

    Elite human capital recognizes that the future is Open Borders and the abolition of nation-states. Not being elite human capital, but merely a thing or object, I acknowledge their superior wisdom.

    HBD only has some ethical validity as regards its potential application to transhumanist goals, like IQ augmentation wrt different population groups. However, r*ghtoids were never interested in this. They are overwhelmingly interested in exclusion, suppression, and affirmation of their own parochial supremacisms. Catering to these regressive instincts for years on end was a severe ethical lapse on my part.

    Otherwise, the approach of Scott Alexander (to ban all discussion of HBD on the grounds that while true, it is rarely useful and never kind) seems to be appropriate.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Sean, @helloid

    Stop lying you absolute moron.

    You were a white nationalist hate filled racist who promoted extreme race hatred:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    You wrote racist bile like this:

    Britain isn’t a shithole country – well, it sort of is becoming one, thanks to all the Negroes and Mohammedans it is importing, but it’s not there yet – and yet hundreds of thousands of Britons leave yearly for Canada, Australia, and the US (and Iberia, for retirement).

    Leaving because your own country is a shithole country is something that is more specific to Negroes

  945. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    You're certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I'm signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    Replies: @Beckow, @helloid, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Your own racist followers don’t even believe your sudden ‘open borders’ Antifa persona.

    Some of Karlin’s own followers have questioned whether he has genuinely repudiated the alt-right:

    “”Karlin is just playing along with the rhetoric sadly some of his fellow compatriots have, the man lived in the US for years, got in trouble for certain statements he made in Russian newspapers, and I have it on good authority he’s a based racist. We shall see.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin

  946. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    Natalism, like nationalism, is idiotic now. Relative population size is only important if:

    * As a country, you are invested into Great Power politics.
    * AI timelines are long.
    * You expect the system to remain centered around nation-states.

    In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them). As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.

    AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.

    Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d'être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.



    https://twitter.com/powerfultakes/status/1647269401350094848

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    First of all, my previous post had a typo; I will now correct it:

    “BTW, off-topic, but how do you think that Russians would feel about the West using 1910s Russian logic about spheres of influence against Russia in the 2020s? In the 1910s, Russians would have rejected the idea that Austria-Hungary should have a sphere of influence over Serbia, bully Serbia, and conquer Serbia, even though preventing Austria-Hungary from doing this would massively increase European and *Middle Eastern* suffering, including involuntary suffering, in the 1910s since the only way to prevent Austria-Hungary from doing this was to defeat and destroy it in a catastrophic World War. Similarly, in the 2020s, the West rejects the idea that Russia should have a sphere of influence over Ukraine, to bully Ukraine, or to conquer Ukraine and thus acts accordingly even though by aiding Ukraine the West increases Ukraine’s suffering, including Ukraine’s involuntary suffering (while at the same time of course also preserving Ukrainian independence).”

    Anyway, back to your post here:

    “In reality, Russia has been demonstrated to be just a very large Serbia in real status, with the US and China the only relevant polities (India may join them).”

    What about the EU? It will have 500 million people long-term (600 million if Turkey will join; 650 million if a reformed Russia will join; 750 million if both Turkey and Russia will join) of high human capital. The EU still produces a lot of elite science and spends a lot on R & D even right now, even if the US is the world’s cognitive hub.

    You argued that Russia can become a superpower with just 200 million people, but the EU can’t with 500+ million people? And if the EU can’t, then Russia certainly can’t with a much smaller population either, in which case the current war with Ukraine was completely for nothing. Just killed a lot of people and made Ukrainians hate Russia much, much more than they did already.

    “AI timelines are likely very short, possibly within the decade.”

    I believe that Garett Jones argued that greater human intelligence will still be an advantage in an AI-dominated world since smarter humans could insert better/more creative prompts into AI than duller humans could.

    “As such, its denizens should exclusively concern themselves with material comforts and hedonistic satisfaction.”

    So, what exactly was the point of the goddamn stupid war that Russia launched against Ukraine? A whole bunch of people were killed *for nothing*!

    At least Iraqis got democracy in exchange for their own struggles. Very flawed democracy, but still better than what they had under Saddam. But Ukrainians didn’t actually get anything out of Russia’s invasion, unless you’re going to argue that this was all a Machiavellian ploy to secure EU membership for Ukraine lol.

    “Nation-states arose out of the evolutionary pressures of war and are becoming weak and irrelevant as their raison d’être vanishes. They will be replaced by network states even if AI stops right now.”

    Europe was largely at peace between 1871 and 1914 and yet nation-states did not become weaker during this time. Over the last several decades, there has been a push for more inclusive nation-states in the West, but even that has its limits given cultural compatibility problems. You don’t want people getting murdered for Islamophobic speech, after all.

    Good luck having network states create their own governments, national banks, police forces, military forces, et cetera. And having network states be accessible for everyone, not just the rich.

  947. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    You're certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I'm signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    Replies: @Beckow, @helloid, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    So, you would support having hundreds of millions of Sub-Saharan Africans (and not just their cognitive elites, who would prefer to move to the West anyway) move to Russia? Just how exactly do you plan on convincing a majority of the Russian population to go along with this plan of yours? A majority of the Russian population still supports Russia for Russians, after all. Is the definition of Russians going to become massively expanded to the point that it would include anyone, of any race, ethnicity, religion, and national origin, who wants to move to Russia?

    • Replies: @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ

    Dude, read Anatoly Karlin's actual racist views on black people:



    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1211446648523673600

    Someone this hate filled is unlikely to ever to truly renounce racism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Matra

  948. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    So, you would support having hundreds of millions of Sub-Saharan Africans (and not just their cognitive elites, who would prefer to move to the West anyway) move to Russia? Just how exactly do you plan on convincing a majority of the Russian population to go along with this plan of yours? A majority of the Russian population still supports Russia for Russians, after all. Is the definition of Russians going to become massively expanded to the point that it would include anyone, of any race, ethnicity, religion, and national origin, who wants to move to Russia?

    Replies: @Pocket1

    Dude, read Anatoly Karlin’s actual racist views on black people:

    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    Someone this hate filled is unlikely to ever to truly renounce racism.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pocket1


    And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Pocket1

    BTW, do you think that Anatoly Karlin being giddy as a schoolgirl when he realized that Russia is going to invade Ukraine is going to hurt his attempts to ingratiate himself to our Woke elites? After all, a genuinely principled anti-imperialist Woke Left condemns *all* types of imperialism, including Russian imperialism, not only Western imperialism.

    , @Matra
    @Pocket1

    I saw a few blacks in Warsaw in both 2022 & 2023 but nowhere near 20 per day - I'd guess maybe 5 per day. Back in 2012 I saw more there, always near the main train station or at expat hangouts like Irish pubs, but most seemed to move on - probably to Germany or the UK - when I visited several more times throughout the decade.

    What I did find more noticeable in 2022/3 was blacks in advertising; shops in the 99%+ white city having lots of black men and women in clothing ads. I guess they are softening up the population for what's coming. There was black influence though, for example some kind of mini-rap show outside the main shopping mall, with all white 'singers' yelling in Polish-accented English. Homosexual culture was more common than blacks in Warsaw.

    The southern city of Katowice had more blacks and, for some reason, North Africans. There was an Algerian fast food place just round the corner from my apartment, always with a fair number of foreign looking customers talking and gesticulating when I passed.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  949. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They're a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism. Liberal thinkers need to take note of this.

    I also enjoyed your articles on economic growth, military power, and history.


    I thought Putin’s Russia had found some way to resolve the contradictions and square the circle, but the cake was a lie, there was nothing. There is nothing.
     
    Even had Russia won in Ukraine, much of Ukraine's elite human capital would have probably moved to the West (or to whatever would have remained of free Ukraine, if they were especially patriotic, and if anything actually remained of free Ukraine) due to the fact that in Ukraine, unlike in other countries, increased nationalism is correlated with higher IQ. Russia would have thus been primarily left with the lower-IQ sovoks and pensioners.

    This is why I'm skeptical that conquering all of Novorossiya back in 2014 would have been a good idea:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-ukraine-iq/

    It would have destroyed relations with the West much more and would have only secured Ukraine's lower-human capital areas for Russia, areas which could have subsequently experienced brain drain if the West would have still opened its doors wide open to Ukrainian refugees (and at least Poland and other Eastern European countries would have, I suspect). The only part of Novorossiya that has a reasonably high average IQ is Kharkiv.

    BTW, worth noting that southern Ukrainians, unlike eastern Ukrainians, significantly soured on Russia even right after Crimea, on the eve of the war in the Donbass:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=347&page=79

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=302&page=83

    Compare with the data for there pre-Crimea:

    https://www.kiis.com.ua/?lang=eng&cat=reports&id=236&page=84

    So, the bump in Russian support in southern Ukraine in the event of a Russian conquest of it in 2014 would have likely started from a lower base.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Pocket1

    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism

    LOL.

    Dude, Anatoly Karlin has written some of the most racist comments on the internet.

    Where have you been?

    Here’s a direct quote from Karlin as recent as 2020 –

    What you have in #BlackLivesMatter is an emerging religion, complete with its own pantheon of saints and martyrs and the latest iteration of what some have called negrolatry, or the Cult of the Magical Negro.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Opposition_to_Black_Lives_Matter
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    Another:

    Britain isn’t a shithole country – well, it sort of is becoming one, thanks to all the Negroes and Mohammedans it is importing, but it’s not there yet – and yet hundreds of thousands of Britons leave yearly for Canada, Australia, and the US (and Iberia, for retirement). Leaving because your own country is a shithole country is something that is more specific to Negroes

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sweden-no/#comment-2344221

    Calling BLM as “negrolatry” and African countries “shitholes” is respectable racial realism? wtf?

    Karlin always was a Daily Stormer type race realist. He’s a racist clown.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pocket1

    According to Steve Sailer, BLM has gotten 10+ times more blacks killed than it has gotten saved. So, one can quite legitimately argue that BLM has been quite bad for blacks. Arguably as bad as Jim Crow, in fact. It's just that no one cares because it's blacks killing other blacks rather than whites killing blacks, as happened during Jim Crow or with some/many police incidents. Blacks killing other blacks is perceived as something natural, unfortunately.

    I do think that Western liberals worship blacks too much, unfortunately. Though I also enjoyed seeing the Wokes take up the cause of European nationalism by supporting Ukraine right now. And a lot of African countries are shitholes, unfortunately. Which is why it's a good idea to be selective about whom to accept as immigrants from them. But Yeah, those Third Worlders who aren't good enough for the West should still have the opportunity to relocate to some better countries in the Third World. No doubt about that!

    Interestingly enough, advocating for open borders could be viewed as subconscious white supremacy since it implies that (non-East Asian) people of color cannot flourish and prosper unless they live near a lot of white people. Using similar logic, one can argue that, in a lot of cases, decolonization was a rather sad and epic failure, with non-whites replacing misery, tyranny, and brutality at smarter white hands with misery, tyranny, and brutality at the hands of their own duller non-white countrymen.

  950. @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your writings on race realism are still excellent. They’re a great way to analyze this topic without falling into the false dichotomy of either race denial or racism
     
    LOL.

    Dude, Anatoly Karlin has written some of the most racist comments on the internet.

    Where have you been?

    Here's a direct quote from Karlin as recent as 2020 -

    What you have in #BlackLivesMatter is an emerging religion, complete with its own pantheon of saints and martyrs and the latest iteration of what some have called negrolatry, or the Cult of the Magical Negro.
     

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Opposition_to_Black_Lives_Matter
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    Another:


    Britain isn’t a shithole country – well, it sort of is becoming one, thanks to all the Negroes and Mohammedans it is importing, but it’s not there yet – and yet hundreds of thousands of Britons leave yearly for Canada, Australia, and the US (and Iberia, for retirement). Leaving because your own country is a shithole country is something that is more specific to Negroes

     

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/sweden-no/#comment-2344221

    Calling BLM as "negrolatry" and African countries "shitholes" is respectable racial realism? wtf?

    Karlin always was a Daily Stormer type race realist. He's a racist clown.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    According to Steve Sailer, BLM has gotten 10+ times more blacks killed than it has gotten saved. So, one can quite legitimately argue that BLM has been quite bad for blacks. Arguably as bad as Jim Crow, in fact. It’s just that no one cares because it’s blacks killing other blacks rather than whites killing blacks, as happened during Jim Crow or with some/many police incidents. Blacks killing other blacks is perceived as something natural, unfortunately.

    I do think that Western liberals worship blacks too much, unfortunately. Though I also enjoyed seeing the Wokes take up the cause of European nationalism by supporting Ukraine right now. And a lot of African countries are shitholes, unfortunately. Which is why it’s a good idea to be selective about whom to accept as immigrants from them. But Yeah, those Third Worlders who aren’t good enough for the West should still have the opportunity to relocate to some better countries in the Third World. No doubt about that!

    Interestingly enough, advocating for open borders could be viewed as subconscious white supremacy since it implies that (non-East Asian) people of color cannot flourish and prosper unless they live near a lot of white people. Using similar logic, one can argue that, in a lot of cases, decolonization was a rather sad and epic failure, with non-whites replacing misery, tyranny, and brutality at smarter white hands with misery, tyranny, and brutality at the hands of their own duller non-white countrymen.

  951. @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ

    Dude, read Anatoly Karlin's actual racist views on black people:



    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1211446648523673600

    Someone this hate filled is unlikely to ever to truly renounce racism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Matra

    And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation

    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    It's not as if people are lining up to move there.

    Africans that sneak into Italy are trying to get into France and Britain where they have relatives. They don't want to stay in Italy. They want to live in a city like London or Paris where Africans are the norm.

    I don't support open borders but Russia would mostly be targeted by Syrians refugees. They already have Europe's largest Muslim population so I really don't see it making much of a difference. They should in fact allow in Syrians for what they have done to the country. Putin helped prop up an atheistic dictator who isn't supported by the majority. The Russians were quite cruel in their tactics and now there are Syrians all over Europe trying to find work. Russia currently has a severe labor shortage while MacGregor still hilariously tells us that they have plenty of regulars. Clearly they conscripted more men than they are letting on. Taking too many 18-24 year old men out of the economy really does cause problems.

    Syrians really aren't that bad compared to other Muslims. I'd honestly trade a million White liberals for them if I had the choice.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ennui

  952. @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ

    Dude, read Anatoly Karlin's actual racist views on black people:



    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1211446648523673600

    Someone this hate filled is unlikely to ever to truly renounce racism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Matra

    BTW, do you think that Anatoly Karlin being giddy as a schoolgirl when he realized that Russia is going to invade Ukraine is going to hurt his attempts to ingratiate himself to our Woke elites? After all, a genuinely principled anti-imperialist Woke Left condemns *all* types of imperialism, including Russian imperialism, not only Western imperialism.

  953. @Pocket1
    @Mr. XYZ

    Dude, read Anatoly Karlin's actual racist views on black people:



    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#Hatred_of_black_people

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1211446648523673600

    Someone this hate filled is unlikely to ever to truly renounce racism.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @Matra

    I saw a few blacks in Warsaw in both 2022 & 2023 but nowhere near 20 per day – I’d guess maybe 5 per day. Back in 2012 I saw more there, always near the main train station or at expat hangouts like Irish pubs, but most seemed to move on – probably to Germany or the UK – when I visited several more times throughout the decade.

    What I did find more noticeable in 2022/3 was blacks in advertising; shops in the 99%+ white city having lots of black men and women in clothing ads. I guess they are softening up the population for what’s coming. There was black influence though, for example some kind of mini-rap show outside the main shopping mall, with all white ‘singers’ yelling in Polish-accented English. Homosexual culture was more common than blacks in Warsaw.

    The southern city of Katowice had more blacks and, for some reason, North Africans. There was an Algerian fast food place just round the corner from my apartment, always with a fair number of foreign looking customers talking and gesticulating when I passed.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Katowice is a Polish industrial town, perhaps being viewed (by me) as a much smaller Polish version of what Birmingham is to the UK. Birmingham (in the UK) is nowadays slightly more than half non-white, mostly (South) Asian.

    Replies: @Matra

  954. @Matra
    @Pocket1

    I saw a few blacks in Warsaw in both 2022 & 2023 but nowhere near 20 per day - I'd guess maybe 5 per day. Back in 2012 I saw more there, always near the main train station or at expat hangouts like Irish pubs, but most seemed to move on - probably to Germany or the UK - when I visited several more times throughout the decade.

    What I did find more noticeable in 2022/3 was blacks in advertising; shops in the 99%+ white city having lots of black men and women in clothing ads. I guess they are softening up the population for what's coming. There was black influence though, for example some kind of mini-rap show outside the main shopping mall, with all white 'singers' yelling in Polish-accented English. Homosexual culture was more common than blacks in Warsaw.

    The southern city of Katowice had more blacks and, for some reason, North Africans. There was an Algerian fast food place just round the corner from my apartment, always with a fair number of foreign looking customers talking and gesticulating when I passed.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Katowice is a Polish industrial town, perhaps being viewed (by me) as a much smaller Polish version of what Birmingham is to the UK. Birmingham (in the UK) is nowadays slightly more than half non-white, mostly (South) Asian.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ

    They're more likely to be suitable for industrial jobs than the kind that exist in Warsaw so I suppose it does make sense. It's just a bit surprising when travelling through an area that's virtually all white to get off the train and suddenly there are group of black men and Algerians hanging about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  955. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    You're certainly welcome to continue wallowing in r*ghtoid loserdom. 🤷‍♀️

    But I'm signing out. 💯

    Open Borders are inevitable. 🌐🌐🌐

    Replies: @Beckow, @helloid, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    By the way, if it’s allegedly inevitable that nation-states are going to be replaced by network-states, then why bother launching the 2022 Ukraine invasion to begin with? Hell, why even bother getting involved in Ukraine starting from 2014 to begin with? The people of Crimea and the Donbass could have created their own Russian network-state within Ukraine in an exclusive skyscraper of theirs or something, no? And a lot of lives would have been saved if Russia would have refrained from getting involved in Ukraine.

  956. @Yahya
    @Max Payne


    I read a few of your older posts and was surprised that at one point you did not believe that Israel was portrayed as accurate as the Palestinians have portrayed them.
     
    Did I say that?

    If you read my even older posts, I’m much harsher on Israel.

    My stance on Israel has softened somewhat after adopting a more rationalistic worldview.

    I believe the Jewish ethnos is worthy and valuable, and that Israel was necessary to preserve its existence. That Palestinians had to pay the price to accomplish this objective is unfortunate, but that’s the way it is. I only hope their misery is softened going forward, but I’ve reconciled myself with Israel’s existence.


    Do the new young arabs no longer subscribe to this thinking?
     
    No. I’m not representative of the average young Arab, or any other Arab for that matter, save myself.

    Am I wrong in this assessment that Israel is not a net gain but a net contributor to the chaos and instability in the region?
     
    You are correct in your assessment.

    Israel could potentially be a net gain if their human capital is incorporated into the economic nexus of the region. That is the goal we should be striving for, while remaining wary of Israel nonetheless.

    I hope that Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews are repatriated to their pre-1948 homelands in the Arab World, and Israel becoming an exclusivist Ashkenazi state. That would preserve Ashkenazi capabilities better than a melting pot, and elevate the Arab world’s cultural productivity (Arab Jews were disproportionately represented in cultural activities during the early 20th century).

    https://youtu.be/6RsG-kNm7Lo

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I hope that Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews are repatriated to their pre-1948 homelands in the Arab World, and Israel becoming an exclusivist Ashkenazi state. That would preserve Ashkenazi capabilities better than a melting pot, and elevate the Arab world’s cultural productivity (Arab Jews were disproportionately represented in cultural activities during the early 20th century).

    I don’t think that very many Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews are keen to move to countries that are much poorer than Israel is, and also with a lot of very recent historical hostility towards Jews and Israel to boot!

  957. @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    Katowice is a Polish industrial town, perhaps being viewed (by me) as a much smaller Polish version of what Birmingham is to the UK. Birmingham (in the UK) is nowadays slightly more than half non-white, mostly (South) Asian.

    Replies: @Matra

    They’re more likely to be suitable for industrial jobs than the kind that exist in Warsaw so I suppose it does make sense. It’s just a bit surprising when travelling through an area that’s virtually all white to get off the train and suddenly there are group of black men and Algerians hanging about.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    I'm surprised that Poland is eager to allow blacks and Algerians to move there. Maybe it's just small numbers of them? But Yeah, Poland is notoriously known for its "Islamophobia", which BTW is not unequivocally a bad thing. Islam does have serious radicalism problems as it is currently practiced by a lot of people, unfortunately.

  958. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pocket1


    And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation
     
    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    It’s not as if people are lining up to move there.

    Africans that sneak into Italy are trying to get into France and Britain where they have relatives. They don’t want to stay in Italy. They want to live in a city like London or Paris where Africans are the norm.

    I don’t support open borders but Russia would mostly be targeted by Syrians refugees. They already have Europe’s largest Muslim population so I really don’t see it making much of a difference. They should in fact allow in Syrians for what they have done to the country. Putin helped prop up an atheistic dictator who isn’t supported by the majority. The Russians were quite cruel in their tactics and now there are Syrians all over Europe trying to find work. Russia currently has a severe labor shortage while MacGregor still hilariously tells us that they have plenty of regulars. Clearly they conscripted more men than they are letting on. Taking too many 18-24 year old men out of the economy really does cause problems.

    Syrians really aren’t that bad compared to other Muslims. I’d honestly trade a million White liberals for them if I had the choice.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Third Worlders could prefer the West over Russia, no doubt, but if moving to the West isn't a realistic option for them, then they could prefer to move to Russia rather than to stay at home. Russia is still much richer than the Third World is, after all. And I suspect that it's not only Syrians who are going to be willing to move to Russia but a lot of people from all over the Third World who can't get accepted by the West.

    , @Ennui
    @John Johnson

    Johnson, you dolt, you just made the argument for limitless migration to the US and Britain. Supported a dictator not favored by the majority? Hmm... guess who else played that game.

    Also, who is to say Assad was not supported by the majority? The sane majority, that is. I understand you are a neocon, and closet zionist, so you would support Sunni jihadis. But who cares what those people want? I'm more interested in the opinions of secular Alawites or Sunnis.

  959. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ

    They're more likely to be suitable for industrial jobs than the kind that exist in Warsaw so I suppose it does make sense. It's just a bit surprising when travelling through an area that's virtually all white to get off the train and suddenly there are group of black men and Algerians hanging about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I’m surprised that Poland is eager to allow blacks and Algerians to move there. Maybe it’s just small numbers of them? But Yeah, Poland is notoriously known for its “Islamophobia”, which BTW is not unequivocally a bad thing. Islam does have serious radicalism problems as it is currently practiced by a lot of people, unfortunately.

  960. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    It's not as if people are lining up to move there.

    Africans that sneak into Italy are trying to get into France and Britain where they have relatives. They don't want to stay in Italy. They want to live in a city like London or Paris where Africans are the norm.

    I don't support open borders but Russia would mostly be targeted by Syrians refugees. They already have Europe's largest Muslim population so I really don't see it making much of a difference. They should in fact allow in Syrians for what they have done to the country. Putin helped prop up an atheistic dictator who isn't supported by the majority. The Russians were quite cruel in their tactics and now there are Syrians all over Europe trying to find work. Russia currently has a severe labor shortage while MacGregor still hilariously tells us that they have plenty of regulars. Clearly they conscripted more men than they are letting on. Taking too many 18-24 year old men out of the economy really does cause problems.

    Syrians really aren't that bad compared to other Muslims. I'd honestly trade a million White liberals for them if I had the choice.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ennui

    Third Worlders could prefer the West over Russia, no doubt, but if moving to the West isn’t a realistic option for them, then they could prefer to move to Russia rather than to stay at home. Russia is still much richer than the Third World is, after all. And I suspect that it’s not only Syrians who are going to be willing to move to Russia but a lot of people from all over the Third World who can’t get accepted by the West.

  961. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    But open borders for Russia (which is allegedly what Anatoly Karlin now wants) will result in such a subpopulation being created in Russia, no? So, why bother doing it? Would you want this subpopulation living in your own neighborhoods? This question also applies to Anatoly Karlin and his own proletarian but peaceful and low-crime Moscow neighborhood.

    It's not as if people are lining up to move there.

    Africans that sneak into Italy are trying to get into France and Britain where they have relatives. They don't want to stay in Italy. They want to live in a city like London or Paris where Africans are the norm.

    I don't support open borders but Russia would mostly be targeted by Syrians refugees. They already have Europe's largest Muslim population so I really don't see it making much of a difference. They should in fact allow in Syrians for what they have done to the country. Putin helped prop up an atheistic dictator who isn't supported by the majority. The Russians were quite cruel in their tactics and now there are Syrians all over Europe trying to find work. Russia currently has a severe labor shortage while MacGregor still hilariously tells us that they have plenty of regulars. Clearly they conscripted more men than they are letting on. Taking too many 18-24 year old men out of the economy really does cause problems.

    Syrians really aren't that bad compared to other Muslims. I'd honestly trade a million White liberals for them if I had the choice.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Ennui

    Johnson, you dolt, you just made the argument for limitless migration to the US and Britain. Supported a dictator not favored by the majority? Hmm… guess who else played that game.

    Also, who is to say Assad was not supported by the majority? The sane majority, that is. I understand you are a neocon, and closet zionist, so you would support Sunni jihadis. But who cares what those people want? I’m more interested in the opinions of secular Alawites or Sunnis.

  962. @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    That you have to say it sorta speaks to the lies.

    That Azov Bat call themselves that name…

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