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Meanwhile, I’ve published another couple of articles on the Russia/Ukraine conflict that the commenters might find of interest:
https://www.unz.com/runz/did-a-russian-missile-strike-kill-200-nato-officers-in-a-ukrainian-bunker/
https://www.unz.com/runz/assassinating-vladimir-putin/
Also, here’s the new CIA recruitment video ad aimed at disgruntled Russians and the troll response the Russians apparently volleyed back:
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Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn’t transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?
OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.
I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.
And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.Replies: @Barbarossa
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Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.
I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.Replies: @Mikhail
I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I’ve read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.
But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.
I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.
And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.
If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.
Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.
There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel
You are being nasty.
OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn’t cut it in this situation.
I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today’s internet.
And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.
I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good. I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.
Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool
And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.
If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:
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Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary
Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer’s hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.
I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISoReplies: @QCIC
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Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
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Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
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Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary
Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.
I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.Replies: @Mikhail
Mickey @ his best:
The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.Replies: @Barbarossa
He will probably become a GAE-Lord, as in, a Lord of the Greater American Empire, especially if Russia will experience a color revolution and turn towards the West again. He might also try playing the grift game due to his quarter-Lak heritage, which can make him a person of color in liberal eyes.
Much has been made of Trump saying he would end the fight in Ukraine in 24 hours.
-1- The time frame is clearly not serious. It is *exaggerated in a humorous way*. Anyone who thinks that number was intended to be taken seriously has entirely missed the comic strategy:
• At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden’s lethargy and absence from the world stage.
• It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with “When?” based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.
-2- Trump’s 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel’s stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.
Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.
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- there will not be Nato in Ukraine
- the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka
According to Strelkov’s current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is “waging war” (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.
https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083
Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk’s mother was Jewish), so it’s putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC
Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin – former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist “Ozero” political-criminal gang members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu
• At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden's lethargy and absence from the world stage.
• It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with "When?" based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.-2- Trump's 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel's stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.PEACE 😇Replies: @Beckow
Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn’t suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria – uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
– there will not be Nato in Ukraine
– the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…
Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain – is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.
If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That’s why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia – I don’t know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…
• Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it. It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect."Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von BismarckPEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
His name is that Paki.
- there will not be Nato in Ukraine
- the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka
Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the “wrong” side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.
There is work that has to be done before such a call.
• Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
• Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.
After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.
However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.
It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.
Trump’s 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.
“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best” ― Otto von Bismarck
PEACE 😇
The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.Replies: @Beckow
The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)
Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:
In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)
The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.Replies: @A123
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISoReplies: @QCIC
AI is about control not profit or progress.
The Sorcerer’s Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.
At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.
Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?Replies: @QCIC
• Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it. It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect."Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von BismarckPEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.
The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with “Russia Bad” sensibilities and the “Enemy of my enemy is my friend” logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.
Where do all the bodies and the wounded go on both sides?
Is there ANYTHING leaking out on this subject?
I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net – seemed like a letdown.
But I’m not quite so dismissive as some others.
I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument – the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.
And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.
If you have a defined goal – and many are easy to define – it doesn’t take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won’t give up.
Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can’t say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.
There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.
I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.
This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak
They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.Replies: @Beckow
I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.
Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia – here too – but the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.
The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled – the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don’t really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind’s future?
Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.Replies: @Beckow, @A123
There’s so much to discuss about what’s happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the “Great Refusal” as resistance to the “Great Reset” but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one’s physical health indicators like “the internet of bodies” is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming …
https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html
https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html
Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George’s old age by now anyway) … Hopefully Musk doesn’t end up like poor Kanye did …
It’s a shame I can’t just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.
Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I’ll just state that Karlin’s predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren’t worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that “Political Economy” (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn’t know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That’s why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.
Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin’s beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov’s Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov’s fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov’s Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin’s much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.
But since I’m critiquing Karlin’s assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it’s only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call “Force Employment” or perhaps more simply “Military skill” in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.
This article explains a lot of what we’ve seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:
https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/
Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle – Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of “Force Employment” or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).
Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn’t always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no “wunderwaffen”/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it’s not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.
“Military skill” can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.
Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
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It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2) In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.
Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.
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(2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
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This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.
Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.
• Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it. It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect."Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von BismarckPEACE 😇Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Bullcrap.
The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)
Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:
In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News’ Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump’s disdain for Bolton’s signature mustache.[141]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)
The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists’ poor electoral performance.
The truth is visible to all who can see: (1) Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.
The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump's 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
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Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2) You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/
(2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/
But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.
I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.
And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.
If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.
Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.
There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel
The last time I went to a medical doctor (this was ten years ago) he sat with his laptop and input my answers to his questions into a flowchart-tree-diagnosis program. He never touched my body but he did hold a stethoscope against my breastbone for 45 seconds. His nurse in the preliminary exam did handle my arm to attach and detach the blood pressure meter sleeve. Less than a minute. The nurse in the after-session did handle my arm and stick me with a syringe to extract blood. They might as well have been robots.
I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.
This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:
https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak
They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
Recently watched the 1959 Disney movie ‘The Shaggy Dog.’
Apparently, it was loosely inspired by the novel ‘The Hound of Florence’ by Felix Salten. It is amazing to think that the author of ‘Josephine Mutzenbacher’ was so influential at Disney, though I guess his name was never on that book. But I have heard that the novel ‘Bambi’ had a lot of dirty elements.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Mutzenbacher
Afraid that the dog puppet did not work very well and looked creepy. A few of the jokes were too corny for me, but from a socio-historical standpoint, of a story from a vanished America, I still thought it was interesting.
Early in the film, the older brother is a hobby scientist, but one of his experiments goes wrong (very cornball.) But this results in two interesting scenes.
In one the father is really mad, and he tells his son to get rid of everything in his laboratory and he says ‘Bury the chemicals.’
In the other, the two boys (and one of them very young) are on the roof, trying to repair the damage that they did. (Would be perceived as too dangerous today.)
I also thought that it was interesting how the film sort of has a weak theme of foreigners being suspicious. None of the American characters appear to be able to speak a foreign language, or seem to really need or want to, unless you count Latin, in one scene.
But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.
I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.
And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.
If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.
Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.
There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel
I don’t know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we’ll survive them, obviously.
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Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects - wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.
But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.
If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can't be faked.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won’t allow it.
Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.
But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck – and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off…or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That’s what I think they will do…
I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.Replies: @AnonfromTN
A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN
The HMS Defender naval demonstration probably triggered the executive decision.
Lots of cross over with the Lynx and K-Car as a Drone Strike before the drone. Also a semi disavowed Mercenary force fresh from Malaya, Vietnam and Indonesia fighting a Soviet Equipped Autocrat.
Since you brought up Prigozhin,
This is a good example of Prigozhin’s “let’s you and him fight” jewry. No one on the thread points out that Prigozhin is a jew. Many in BOTH sides in that thread know he is. Yet it’s turned a blind eye to and Prigozhin is just another Ivan. Most normies will say “There goes that Toad Faced Russian again.”
Prigozhin’s “Ecco Homo” with both Russian and Ukie (or American in this case) corpses is very Kosher.
Never been able to wrap my head around quantum computing. Even if I could see it, not sure I’d be able to believe it.
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Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects – wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.
But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.
If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can’t be faked.
One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the “Russia Bad” meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.
I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don’t know, but this seems the right thing to do.
Patriot system trash-talks Russian hypersonic missiles. SlightlyNSFW.
At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.
The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.Replies: @Pixo
I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.
I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.Replies: @AnonfromTN
Nazis are irrelevant, they are disposable pawns in this game. What really matters is that the so-called West (the empire and its vassals; the identity of the empire changes, but the crux of the matter does not) is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as it was for centuries. It is ruled by psychopaths today. The inmates “democratically” took over lunatic asylum.
Supposedly, a smaller, lighter version of a radioisotope thermoelectric generator on the horizon. Hard to understand what its secret sauce is, other than strontium, though strontium has been done before.
https://spacenews.com/zeno-power-gets-30-million-to-build-radioisotope-powered-satellite-for-u-s-military/
BTW, did anyone ever hear of the Soviet lighthouse RTGs along the Arctic Coast? Seems like kind of a failed idea in some ways, but still pretty interesting. Forget if I ever mentioned them before:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
https://twitter.com/jebbbby/status/1658577472072429573Replies: @QCIC
This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.
At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.
The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.
Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?Replies: @QCIC
The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.
Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.Replies: @sudden death
https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html
https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html
Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...
It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.
Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.
Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.
But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.
This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:
https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/
Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).
Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.
"Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.Replies: @A123, @Pixo
Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.
Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
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It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)
In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.
Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.
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(2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949
A lot of what’s going on with the regime was baked in because, as analysts from Pareto and Mosca, Schmitt, Burnham, McLuhan all were telling us, the refinement of mind manipulation ideas go back to Ramses III (who invented Leni Riefenstahl style epic spectacle propaganda) , then on to the Romans but were refined by Bernays and his disciples. It’d be instructive to know the discussions behind opening up the internet to non- institutional users in the early 90s. They tried to make a tame/controlled version with AOL and Compuscrew- remember those? But it sure looks to me like things got out of hand- however since those early days, they refined their ability to control search, so now results are the thin gruel they all ate in ‘1984’
Power is an end in itself, but until there is literally only one mind remaining, it will always be confounded and subverted. Right now, Russia and China make common cause to defend themselves against the New Jerusalem but no one should be under the illusion China would not play the same game had they not gone through a collapse period of their own- much of it self caused. Powerful people surround themselves with toadies and suppress heresies. They assume a track record of success over multiple generations is indicative of permanent divine favor.
The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.
Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.
https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpgReplies: @AnonfromTN
The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)
Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:
In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)
The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.Replies: @A123
You *DO NOT* understand American politics… At all. There are a huge number of unwritten rules. There is every reason to believe that a non cabinet position, like NSA, can horse traded for cabinet position confirmation.
The truth is visible to all who can see: (1)
Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.
The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump’s 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
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Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2)
You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/
(2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/
Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:
How does that make any sense?
These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.
In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.
They are basically ditches with trash in them.
MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.
I really doubt that.
The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.
The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.
The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.
I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.Replies: @sudden death
They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.
A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn’t that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/”religious” value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.
The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.
PEACE 😇
A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN
Give it time. Trump’s 2nd term will repudiate anti-America IslamoGloboHomo, including anti-Semite Zelensky and Not-The-President Biden.
The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.
PEACE 😇
At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.
The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.Replies: @Pixo
I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.
Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?
I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.
https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html
https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html
Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...
It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.
Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.
Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.
But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.
This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:
https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/
Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).
Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.
"Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.Replies: @A123, @Pixo
Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.
I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.
I don't know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn't surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.
Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity's best hope. Now, not so much.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.htmlReplies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery
"Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"Replies: @Pixo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg
How does that make any sense?
These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.
In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.
They are basically ditches with trash in them.
MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.
I really doubt that.Replies: @QCIC, @Sean
JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.
The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.
The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.
The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the “opportunity” to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.
I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia’s starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin’s team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
Elon Musk’s latest baby mama: 5/10. Would not bang
One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:
KIA – 264,432
POW – 11,175
Current personnel – 407,169
The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.
The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.
They don't seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
I’m thinking about a serious theory to the effect that IVF creates people who are missing something which normally develops at the time of conception and early growth in the mother. I am interested in background material on the IVF topic such as how many people, how many miscarriages, how do they turn out, etc. If anyone here was born as the result of IVF it would be neat to read about any unique experiences they have in this regard.
I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.
I don’t know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn’t surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.
Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity’s best hope. Now, not so much.
A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN
Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.
Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or “Millennium Bug”. Don’t you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn’t taken any measures.
The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like "terminator science", "golem engineering". Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. "RMSProp". But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is "Adaptive Moment Estimation". Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, "Adam". Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcM_DdqiLSE-By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.
Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.Replies: @sudden death
Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)
https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpgReplies: @AnonfromTN
Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.
When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.
If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard
In case you haven’t noticed timescales/percentages on the graph – both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)
Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.
You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.
If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN
I don’t know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.
Russia’s nuclear threat remains though, if that’s what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.
We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon's presidential hopes.
Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a "war economy" in support of Zelensky's violence?
PEACE 😇
Wonder if Japanese is the language with the most double-entendres. That is what it seems like to me, reading their humor.
Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.
Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.
You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.
If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.
One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.
Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).
Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.
Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.
Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.
Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?Replies: @songbird
From predator’s point of view, the best thing about an ostrich is that it hides the head in the sand and does not see the predator coming. Apparently, Ted Cruz turned out to be smarter than an ostrich. Which likely puts him in the smartest dozen in the US senate.
If that happens my humble suggestion would be to go back to the pre-Enlightenment…
…the time when AP’s ancestors (as he proudly tells us) were already fighting Russia in the name of Greek-Catholicism. Or was it Catholic-Orthodoxy? one never knows with these invented religions…
The full replay from Laguna Seca is now up.
PEACE 😇
- there will not be Nato in Ukraine
- the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka
“The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain”
His name is that Paki.
Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.
You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.
If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN
If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you’re going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.
Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.Replies: @Beckow, @A123
That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.
What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Location matters – it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army…all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.
At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke. I don’t think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? – it has all been done. That’s the problem with overdoing desperate ‘soft power’ measures – it leaves no credible threats.
By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.
If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.
You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.Replies: @Beckow
And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.Replies: @Sean
In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine's western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can't possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.
Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.
You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.
If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN
Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.
One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don’t know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.
Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).
Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.
Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.
Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.
Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?
Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.
That Azov Bat call themselves that name…
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it’s risky and shouldn’t be used unless necessary.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/
Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.
Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.
Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.Replies: @Bill P
I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.
I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I doubt that Shoigu’s mother was Jewish since she apparently survived the German occupation in Ukraine during WWII, which was almost impossible for a Jewish person or even a half-Jewish person to do:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu
Yep, this would be comparable to China trying to conquer and outright annex all of Vietnam and engage in cultural genocide there, aiming to turn the Vietnamese into Chinamen. In such a case, the Vietnamese are likely to ferociously resist the Chinese. Also assume that the Vietnamese get extremely massive amounts of Western military assistance in such a scenario and that the China:Vietnam population disparity is 5:1 rather than 14:1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg
How does that make any sense?
These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.
In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.
They are basically ditches with trash in them.
MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.
I really doubt that.Replies: @QCIC, @Sean
To a WEIRD WEIRD West-ener it doesn’t, but it is a different culture, some might say a more primitive one.
Those Russians didn’t need any kind of training to know they were inevitably going to die going up against a tank plus superior numbers of supporting infantry –and not even in Russia proper–yet they did not quit. And those were merely part of a thin screen of satellite forces out on front the beetling battlements of continuous line that gets more dense and the deeper you go. If those grimily determined (and grimy) fellows were just ‘conscripts’, they had a remarkable fighting spirit.
Endless if the above small unit action is anything to go b.y
I agree the (seventy-something) Macgregor has been less than prescient about Russian capabilities and the utility of armored mobile large formation warfare. The most likely explanation for Bakhmut is not that one side is clever and the other is idiotic, but rather that both sides somewhat stupidly decided to go toe to toe irrespective of the consequences.
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
Meanwhile, Elon Musk’s father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html
I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children
Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?
John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.Replies: @Beckow, @A123
The idea that there is a committed coalition supporting Kiev aggression is delusional.
We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon’s presidential hopes.
Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a “war economy” in support of Zelensky’s violence?
PEACE 😇
I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.
By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.
If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven’t done this yet because they don’t want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.
You don’t need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.
They twist it into an 'existential, civilizational' war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical "Asiats are coming!!!' racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.
But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.
POW – 11,175
Current personnel – 407,169The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model. The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.Replies: @QCIC, @AP
Thanks.
They don’t seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC
“ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”
Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.
Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.
Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.
Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.
Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.Replies: @Pixo
Nike being IslamoGloboHomo is understandable. It is a brand that hates Christians.
The fiasco from Bud Light is obvious. Can marketing get worse? Yep. Ford has gone full IslamoGloboHomo: (1)
How many truck buyers are Muslim or gay? Yes. It is obviously an EU deviant ad. The license plate gives it away. But, why would American HQ approve this?
I am in the market for a truck… And 100% sure… I will not buy a gay Ford.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truck
“He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it.”
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html
https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html
Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?
Begin with this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565
Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC
Thanks.
I wasn’t even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.
I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children
Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
The world is big. From outside of the imperial patch:
The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
(Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)
POW – 11,175
Current personnel – 407,169The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model. The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.Replies: @QCIC, @AP
In other words, AnoninTN will believe anything.
__________(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truckReplies: @Sean
That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.
Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.
Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.
And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.
That’s the way it’s been working. As AK said when he predicted the imminent invasion, “troops don’t lie”. Those troops hadn’t been amassed around Ukraine for routine exercises. Likewise, those same troops haven’t stopped retreating after their initial gains due to “gestures of good will” or “regroupings for the next phase”. Their direction of march shows who has the better logistics, tactics and weapons.
In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine’s western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can’t possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
The answer to your question does not fit into internet bulletin board text boxes and no, Chat GPT can’t tell you either. You need to read books.
Begin with this one:
Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.
I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.
I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children
Maxwell’s demon would like to have a word with them.
Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.
Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.
Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.Replies: @Bill P
Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we’ve rushed into this stuff with too much haste.
Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of “known unknowns” strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings’ lives are at stake here.
Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there’s a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.
I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers 🙁
“Just take Mars and get out of my sight!”
With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China’s undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child’s play by comparison,. .
Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery’s mass effect–rather than precision weapons– might prove to be the crucial factor.
Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?Replies: @QCIC
Missile defense systems can be overwhelmed or fooled and it only takes one missile leaking through to destroy a system. To do a reasonable job you need a lot of defensive missile systems such as Russia employs with multiple levels (short-medium-long range).
I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.
I do that sometimes. You can also freeze whole loaves and put them in the oven, though it is a bit trickier.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.htmlReplies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery
I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.
I thought there was one with a high number, but I can’t seem to find him on this list:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children
Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don’t go that far back?
John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.
And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.Replies: @Sean
The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.
So far.
Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).
The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested. Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.
Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.
But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack
One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.
Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).
Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.
Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.
Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.
Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?Replies: @songbird
I’ve said this before, but I don’t think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.
Some problems can’t be solved by chasing GDP, and I don’t think it is to anyone’s social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.
You’re right, I have completely forgotten about it. I found the whole idea goofy at the time. Just like the Mayan calendar thing. Silly stuff.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children
Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That’s the smart way to move forward as a species.
"Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"Replies: @Pixo
Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.
With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.
If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don't see how exactly one wouldn't likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.
I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.
Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.
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"I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!"
Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.
Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.Replies: @Pixo
It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.
I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.
I'd rather not risk it if it isn't necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.
From Pavel Priannikov’s Tg channel, machine translated with minor corrections.
Gleb Pavlovsky is often seen as the intellectual father of the RusFed political model. He got estranged from the higher political circles after 2012. He believed tgeb that Putin’s return to power was a mistake. I think we can conclude today that Pavlovsky has been proven right.
With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
This isn’t always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.
With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
The idea that one child should be entitled to a much better quality of life relative to another child due to something that is completely out of both of their control is ridiculous. If this was voluntary, then I could understand, but child support is often involuntary and instead relies on the coercive power of the state to enforce.
If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don’t see how exactly one wouldn’t likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.
Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.
But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC
You guys are trying to spoil my snark with your logic!
I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.
Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.
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“I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!”
I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children
Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?
John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.
I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.
I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.
And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.Replies: @Barbarossa
It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.
I suppose really that’s not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.
I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.
Either way it’s going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!
If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa
OTOH:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)
Perhaps it amounts to the same.
I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P
Are clones inferior for a fundamental genetic reason or is it a practical matter of the technology?
Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.
Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.
Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.
The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.Replies: @Barbarossa
I’ve thought about this most explicitly, though it’s somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through “approved and fact-checked” channels.
At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.
Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?
In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?
Yes, I'm a high tech Luddite.
The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.
The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.
The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.
The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.
I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.Replies: @sudden death
What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine
Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.
All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.
The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.Replies: @sudden death
I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good. I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.
Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool
We’ve always been doing that, haven’t we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.
If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?
I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.
Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.
Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.
To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.
So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P
Anecdotally I suspect there is. I’m not claiming any authority here but from the results I’ve seen autism is suspiciously prevalent for this cohort. Keep in mind that fertility treatment is a very big business here with all the attendant obfuscation of results.
I’d rather not risk it if it isn’t necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.
If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.
Against sperm donors? Yes, in some cases. Not all cases. Hence Ferguson v. McKiernan.
Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.
Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.
At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.
Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?Replies: @QCIC
I don’t think it is possible to police it. People will have to not use the digital tech. Otherwise one is relying on those you know to be lying to you for control and profit.
In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?
Yes, I’m a high tech Luddite.
The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.
I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good. I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.
Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ai-human-extinction-great-filter-b2337487.html
OTOH:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)
Perhaps it amounts to the same.
If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa
We shouldn’t have killed the first mammoth back in the day…
The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.
Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.
All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.
The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.
If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.
Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.
But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.
Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.Replies: @John Johnson
Jean DeVille Idol of Perversity
And the Kharkiv offensive.
So far.
Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).
The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.
Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.
Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.
But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.
So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:
-Kiev
-Kharkiv
-Mykolaiv
-Kherson
Pretty impressive!
Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?Replies: @Beckow
If you know machine learning, you might find it less exciting, although there is a still unknown question if the animals’ brains are also “less exciting” and perhaps implementing similar networks. Some of the pertubation learning could be similar to some of the learning in nature.
The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like “terminator science”, “golem engineering”.
Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. “RMSProp”.
But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is “Adaptive Moment Estimation”.
Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, “Adam”. Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk.
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By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.
The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
(Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1659229007508807692Replies: @Dmitry
We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.
You know the “Valeriepieris circle”, which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.
The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.
The Chinese would not have to do much to have the US shut down the material flow into Ukraine.
So far.
Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).
The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested. Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.
Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.
But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack
The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.
1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).
2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?Replies: @Sean
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/05/18/clowns-to-left-of-me-jokers-to-right-nato-soft-war-soldiers/
Excerpt –
The alphabet people are getting kicked out of Libraries in Australia over drag queen story time, maybe the worm is turning.
Roy was disappointed when he was told he wasn’t a woman.
He reacted badly to the information!
But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.
Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don’t mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It’s the lower-class blacks that people don’t want to live next to–not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.
Will this change if Russia is at serious risk of losing the Battle of Crimea River?
So far.
Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).
The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested. Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.
Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.
But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack
There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.
So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:
-Kiev
-Kharkiv
-Mykolaiv
-Kherson
Pretty impressive!
Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine
So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?
By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.
If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.
You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.Replies: @Beckow
All wars are generally stupid, but this one takes the cake: the level of destruction, escalation risks, and very high casualties are way out of line with the issues this war is fought about: Nato expansion and Russian minority rights.
They twist it into an ‘existential, civilizational‘ war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical “Asiats are coming!!!‘ racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.
But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.
What Ukraine? Are the Russians in Ukraine also “Ukraine”? Is Crimea or Donbas?
You use over-the-top rhetoric to cover up the real issue. It is always done in wars, you should do better.
The reality is that two separate ‘nations’ are fighting for their existence: Ukie Ukies and the Donbas Ukies assisted now by the Russians from Russia. The Ukie Ukies can easily retreat from Donbas – they don’t live there. But where would the millions of Russians living there go? Killed or expelled? Or only totally suppressed and forcefully Ukrainized?
The real analogy to this war is something like Netherlands’ Belgium in 1830 – the Dutch suppressed the Catholic French-speakers and France came to help its co-patriots and created Belgium. Or creation of Italy and Germany. Or WW1 aftermath when a number of minorities were allowed self-determination. In 2023 it is a bit late for this ethnic mess, that’s why it feels so odd and is easily manipulated – you do it too.
It is about equal rights and equal security for all sides – just because you stick “Russian!” in front of a universal term doesn’t mean that the basic human rights no longer exist. Think about it a little and stop with sloganeering. If for no other reason, because you are likely to lose this fight and will grudgingly admit that “Russian are people too”. Why wait until then to be reasonable?
So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:
-Kiev
-Kharkiv
-Mykolaiv
-Kherson
Pretty impressive!
Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?Replies: @Beckow
That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…
I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.Replies: @Beckow
Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
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It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2) In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.
Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.
PEACE 😇
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(2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more “anti-Semitism” than would otherwise exist lol.
Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk’s career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei’s Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei’s Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of “death to Zionists” and “Israel will be destroyed in 20 years” every now and then, with Iran’s influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.
I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.
Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.
Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/
Well our conservatives don't want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.
Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.
I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.
They really aren't much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.
So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?
Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.
All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.
The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.Replies: @sudden death
The great “westernizer democrat” Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful “safety” delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:
https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpgReplies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery
Thanks.
Perhaps the whole conflict of Elon Musk vs “the Jews” is fake and there’s behind the scenes harmony, with some theatre for the masses. Or perhaps Greenblatt is just a hothead who can’t restrain himself, so he overreached and overplayed his hand.
Anyway, I’m reading the book “Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future” by Ashlee Vance.
It’s interesting in many different ways about Elon Musk’s life biography from his earliest years until about 2015/16. Being halfway through the book it’s already obvious Greenblatt doesn’t have any explicit and clear proof of Musk’s “anti-Semitism” since Musk even had a Jewish CEO as a business partner in Tesla, and had some Jewish employees over the years with which he worked just fine and conducted business as with any other non-Jewish persons.
Otherwise, my feeling is that Musk’s heart and soul is in the right place and his intentions are good, but his life record has a lot of suffering and difficult moments in it (Musk got beaten and bullied hard as a youngster, nearly died from a tropical disease once, miscarriages with former partners, daddy issues, etc.), and particularly with wild swings of business fortunes with ugly spats with former business partners and employees, big losses of income on various companies, hard work on entirely new businesses from scratch and so on. Perhaps everyone should make what they will of him and the differing testimonies about his character and pivotal moments of Musk’s life and businesses.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.htmlReplies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery
Can’t be bothered to go find that Tweet (might go and do it sometime), but Elon’s father basically has the same/similar worldview as Alex Jones (not sure if he’s a follower or not) lol.
So far.
Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).
The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested. Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.
Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.
But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack
Wouldn’t even a “tactical” nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia’s role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. 🙁
Don’t worry Beckow, “Super Putler” will save you as he fights the whole world. 🙁
Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.
I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack
If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.Replies: @German_reader
What’s the matter? Doesn’t Kitaro’s music appeal to you? 🙂
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.
I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.
I agree. The two points are:
1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).
2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?
Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony – drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:
https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm
I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.Replies: @sudden death
I haven’t listened to Kitaro for so many years, he’s very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.
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https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWgReplies: @Ivashka the fool
Well, that’s true. What you wrote about is probably also true, but by 1999 Bor’ka alkash was entirely out of his wits. He was basically a zombie, not much to do with the man who seized power with western backing in 1991. Whatever he said after 1996 is to be taken as a drunkard’s ramblings similar to the typical drunk Russian “ну ты меня уважаешь?”
I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.Replies: @Beckow
15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.
You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007
The practical solutions are easy though – preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won’t leave anymore;)
Thank Jews.
George IslamoSoros supports the genocidal BDS movement. This is from 2019, but nothing has changed: (1)
Essentially every action The IslamoSoros takes is anti-Semitic and pro-Muslim.
You are delusional if you do not see it changing.
Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.
Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.
PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/
Sounds like the Chinese could send a fraction of a fraction of their graduating class of BEng or MEng and fill those gaps. Not unlike the US does with its increasingly Sinoized University cohort.
Thank Jews.
I was going to write about it yesterday.
Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.
When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that’s the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.
I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.
It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.
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It doesn't matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.
50,000 out of how many?Replies: @sudden death
Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”
You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.
Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.
I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.
https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.pngReplies: @AnonfromTN
I’m trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).
I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.
I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.Replies: @sudden death
WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about “non targeted neutral” zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)
Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.
Great job, morons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra
Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.
Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.
I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn’t rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.
WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.
Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.
Great job, morons.
Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.
Haters gonna hate.
🤷♂️Replies: @sudden death
That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.
Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.
Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.
Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.
The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.
The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.
Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.
They should have gone in the other direction with Indy and made a politically incorrect movie, where he spoke about things like Battle Axe Culture, or how there was never a meaningful civilization run by women, or how the wheel was practically absent from sub-Sahara.
That Phoebe character could have been his enemy, digging up sites and trying to claim there were female warriors, or that the Bantu built Great Zimbabwe, or that Cleopatra was black, or that it was ‘pots, not people.’
Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.
Great job, morons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra
Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That’s russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let’s do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there’s a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.
Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.
Haters gonna hate.
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Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.
I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack
The facts support your evaluation. So far only one country deliberately used nukes against humans. It was not Russia. It also was not NK, India, Pakistan, or even Israel.
What does Cori Bush mean when she says that she supports Italians fighting for Italy?
https://www.amren.com/news/2023/05/squad-demands-14-trillion-in-federal-reparations-for-descendants-of-slaves/
I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.
https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.pngReplies: @AnonfromTN
Filthy rich people are the ultimate atheists, no matter what they claim: Gods do not take bribes.
Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.
Haters gonna hate.
🤷♂️Replies: @sudden death
Translation – not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)
But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.
Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.
I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.
I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.
Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.
🙂Replies: @sudden death
Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.
Great job, morons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra
Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)
In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?Replies: @AP
I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the “vaguely free market”.
It doesn’t matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.
50,000 out of how many?
I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do 🙁
If Ukrainians make it harder and harder to do pointless moronic things for the pointless invading morons, then they achieved the right thing and should be helped, whatever the nicknames may be;)
Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?
In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn’t really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia’s ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?
And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel
Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.
I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack
Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.
You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.
There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.
🙂Replies: @Mr. Hack
To be honest, I don’t listen to Kitaro’s music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It’s still magical to this day, and he’s certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to “Tojiki’ and of course his ground breaking “Silk Road”, you might enjoy listening to this one too:
Erdogan’s pro-Western rival is claiming that he will kick out the refugees, if elected. Is it all a bluff? Or will he deliver?
https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/
Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria's economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn't normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn't want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it's still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
In any case, it's funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:
https://twitter.com/Timour_Ozturk/status/1659127343691059202?cxt=HHwWhMC-3erhs4YuAAAA
Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.
Great job, morons.Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra
Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan’s relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.
If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa
It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly and argument that I’ve heard many times.
I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I’m just pointing the fact out.
Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We’re even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.
Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.
To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
I’m fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.
So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don’t personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I’m part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I’m fine with that.
I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.
Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.Replies: @Barbarossa
But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:
IVF-
I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.
The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.
In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.
Life Extension-
Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
Is tough to say so I didn’t say. This depends on the weather and the jet stream.
You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.
There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.
https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/Replies: @German_reader
Syria has been re-admitted to the Arab League, from the pov of Arab states the attempt to overthrow Assad’s government has failed. So theoretically, re-construction should now be possible, and Syrians should be able to go home (maybe after some sort of agreement is reached which has Assad promise not to harm those returning).
Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria’s economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn’t normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn’t want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it’s still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
In any case, it’s funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:
I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.
Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.
Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.
To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.
So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.
I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI’s will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.
Can AI’s be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.
Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like "ethical porn".
Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that "ethical porn" was bad for people's sex lives and relationships.
Shocking, just shocking I tell you!
In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?Replies: @AP
Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.
Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.
And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.
The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.
Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?Replies: @A123, @AP
Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.
Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.Replies: @John Johnson
It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.
It’s a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.
Our conservatives however have decided that “big government” must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of “big government” being the problem loses credibility.
Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.
The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.
Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.Replies: @Sean
If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.Replies: @German_reader
Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.
I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback. Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-warhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.htmlReplies: @German_reader
Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally.
Well our conservatives don’t want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.
Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.
I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.
They really aren’t much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.
So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?
The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.
If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don’t do that though because they like the current system.
I. Money grows on trees
II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit
As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!
And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel
Didn’t Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?
And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel
Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his “Two movies paradigm” during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.
The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which “facts” they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.
To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.Replies: @AnonfromTN
Why use a missile for a nuke when you can have FedX deliver it right to someone’s door? Easy peasy.
Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.
But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It’s a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.
Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
Also, you don’t target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : “Убей Немца !”, you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.
I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian – Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.
I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.
Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.
🙂
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960Replies: @Ivashka the fool
If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard
Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.
• Great for American workers & exporters.MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world's "reserve currency" has been detrimental to Main Street America. I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new "reserve currency". Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America. PEACE 😇
And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.Replies: @AnonfromTN
You suspect that Poland would void its Article 5 defense protection of the NATO treaty?
It seems highly unlikely that Poland will exit NATO by openly attacking Russian forces.
The burn in rate for fiction is quite amazing.
The Patriot engagement proved the system quickly consumes 100% of all available interceptors on the launchers ($100-150 million). How often can they do that before they run out.
No one knows how effective it was. Kiev could not stop conventional warheads from detonating. The Russian warheads still landed in the area, but no one (for or against) can say with credibility what WAS hit.
Consider that U238 encased fusion warheads are much more durable than their conventional counterparts. The chances of intercepting and in flight disarming a nuclear warhead in near zero. Causing a strategic warhead to explode in the wrong part of Kiev is far short of successful “defense”.
PEACE 😇
Only in the same delusional world where Ukraine was conquered a year ago.
A gradual decline in USD is:
• Bad for Globalist Elites.
• Great for American workers & exporters.
MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world’s “reserve currency” has been detrimental to Main Street America.
I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new “reserve currency”. Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.
Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America.
PEACE 😇
I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.
Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers 🙂
Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it wasReplies: @AP
Link?
Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was
It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Greasy William, @Sean
And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel
Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless…
I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted “some damage” to their Patriot system.
Essentially, what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles “useless”. Why would anybody believe that?
Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Mikel
If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard
Everybody likes the current system. Depending on how you look at it:
I. Money grows on trees
II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit
As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!
The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.
To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.
To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.Replies: @AnonfromTN
C’mon, man, google is as woke and “progressive” as the craziest inmate in the lunatic asylum. I stopped using it years ago. Google gives you millions of hits, but all politically incorrect ones are given way after one hundred, so that no sane person using google ever sees them. There are relatively honest search engines, such as Duckduckgo (and many others), that are not owned by the same cabal as the US government.
1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).
2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?Replies: @Sean
1. Before the invasion there was a universal expectation that mechanized dashes by either/ any side that managed to concentrate sufficient large formations would be very effective, especially when allied to drones for reconnaissance and artillery spotting. But in practice it has not worked for the Russians despite repeated attempts. What has proven to be crucial is artillery ammunition supply/ transport. We know this because both sides in Bakhmut are complaining that of bottlenecks in the supply of shells. Any mechanized advance that goes forward ten kilometers a day will outrun its logistical train’s ability to supply the self propelled guns for the mass effect bombardments necessary for real fighting, and the defending enemy supply dumps will be getting closer to the point of contact so they will have improved logistics.
2. I do not think there is any prospect of a nuclear weapon being used because the Russians now know that mobile maneuver warfare does not work and so there will be no big Russian offensive to fall victim to a swift powerful counter-offensive and need to be rescued by Russian detonation of thermonuclear mines to create huge craters in from of the tanks. Other first use of any kind of nukes by Russia is non credible. Unless the entire Russian army runs away. But those guys did not run from the tank
Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin’s regime as well.
And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn’t going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.
Funny thing: I know full well that discussions here are essentially pointless, yet here I am again. Doing mostly molecular biology, I often have waits for an hour or more. When I am done reading/writing/reviewing papers/grants, I want to see what’s going on in the world. This means internet search. Even though some people believe that internet offers endless possibilities, they are in fact rather limited. It’s like cable TV in the US: 200 channels of BS do not offer more options than just one channel of BS.
There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.
Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.
Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...
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I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.
Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?Replies: @A123, @AP
Iron Dome is highly effective against premium Iranian rocket/missile technology used by PIJ and Hamas.

Iranian forces killed more Gaza colonists versus indigenous Palestinian Jews. Any solution in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon relies on getting rid of Khamenei’s forces. They inevitably bring bloodshed.
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Of course, Iranian technology is laughable compared to most of the globe, including Russian. So, the 95%+ Iron Dome success rate does not apply to Ukraine. Until we know what was (or was not) destroyed, it is impossible to call a clear victor in the recent exchange.
The huge question is, “How many interceptors are available to the Kiev regime?” That one engagement consumed a month of output. How long before that supply is exhausted? Even if Patriot is highly effective it can be beaten by running it out of ammo.
PEACE 😇
You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.Replies: @Mr. XYZ
Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn’t comparable to mass murder!
Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it wasReplies: @AP
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5
Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.
It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Greasy William, @Sean
This is really interesting, thank you.
How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destructionReplies: @AP
But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.Replies: @AP
I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.
Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?Replies: @A123, @AP
They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.
Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.
Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.
In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit. Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.Replies: @AP
And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.Replies: @AnonfromTN
Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.
I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it's inevitable.
A special day for the Arab world.
Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.
https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpgReplies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death
But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.
Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.
I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.
I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.
Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.
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Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don’t think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?
Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.
Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko
Also;)
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960
Nuclear waste weirdo arrested again.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html
Apparently, he wasn’t jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.
I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don’t think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.
About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.
About Americans, I don’t think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn’t as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won’t fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.
So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.
And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.
I can’t access the interview.
How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2Replies: @QCIC
Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that’s the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind ‘but they were not killed‘…but they are gone, that’s what the question was about.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html
Apparently, he wasn't jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.
I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.Replies: @QCIC
I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.
And how do you buy those currencies? Currently, if you want to buy Rubles, you pay in USD or in Euros. India tried to pay in Rupees and was told to GTFO by Russia. Well what about in a world where there is no dollar (and thus no Euro), what do you buy Rubles or Yuan in then? The only option will be gold.
I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it’s inevitable.
There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.
Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn’t in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.
Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…
🙂
They can still help Ukraine by sending Ukraine remittances from abroad.
Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)
This is also mine positive impression below;)
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465
You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.
And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this: That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.
🙂Replies: @AP
Of course AP doesn’t read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.
But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.
Maybe, they will send him to a women’s prison. Or Biden will pardon him.
How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destructionReplies: @AP
The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Maybe he meant bioweapons? :)
Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.
Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Mikel
If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead? From your own link:
Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.
It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn’t care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it’s not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS. As for the rest, it’s just trying to apply common sense.
Unfortunately, there aren’t any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.
In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.
Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It’s somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.
https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery? A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.
Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.Replies: @Mikel
Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn’t know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn’t have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn’t put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.
You’re also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.
And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:
That’s Priannikov again, he’s my type of Noviop.
🙂
Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea. Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.
Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.Replies: @Barbarossa
I would expect that AI will follow the same moral schema that I assign to the internet in general, “The internet is sometimes convenient but mostly evil.” I always love the baffled looks I get for that one in conversation!
Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like “ethical porn”.
Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that “ethical porn” was bad for people’s sex lives and relationships.
Shocking, just shocking I tell you!
It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.
Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.
In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit. Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.Replies: @AP
The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:
Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?
A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.
Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.
MSNBC should hire it as an anchor-thing. It doesn’t look any worse than R Maddow.
Battle of the Nations
Latvia Kazakhstan
Is it true that chickenpox was nearly as fatal as smallpox to Australian Abos? Seems hard to believe.
Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/Replies: @songbird
But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.Replies: @AP
This is a good catch, I hadn’t realized that. Thank you.
Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...
🙂Replies: @AnonfromTN
Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).
Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.
You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.
And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this: That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.
🙂Replies: @AP
They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.
Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.
Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.
I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.
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I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.
Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.
Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.
To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.
So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel
Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.
But I’m definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:
IVF-
I hope you didn’t pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or “quantum entanglement” between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don’t see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don’t seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn’t even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don’t get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.
The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.
In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.
Life Extension-
Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don’t exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won’t hesitate to take the pill.
To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!
If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.
Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!
I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.
However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.
There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?
And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.
In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.Replies: @Mikel
I wouldn’t expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn’t surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.
Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well…
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/
Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.
It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren't so specific but are more generalist.
https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery? A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.
Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.Replies: @Mikel
Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol
After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2Replies: @QCIC
LOL. There are plenty of clowns on all sides.
Maybe he meant bioweapons? 🙂
Great quote from AnonfromTN
Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea. Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
Ok, we have discussed this many times and I don’t want to start this debate again. I know that you are an unrelenting debater, and I know that I will rapidly lose interest.
I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.
🙂
But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:
IVF-
I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.
The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.
In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.
Life Extension-
Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood
See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!
Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
I really love this young Kalmyk singer.
https://24smi.org/celebrity/239103-bain-ligor.html
Coyote range by decade
https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWgReplies: @Ivashka the fool
The internet is the postmodern Silk Road.
But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:
IVF-
I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.
The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.
In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.
Life Extension-
Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa
Thanks for the reply. I’ll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.
Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven’t categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.
To expand on IVF. Don’t worry though, I wasn’t swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!
If my wife and I couldn’t have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.
Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren’t inconvenienced!
I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
My opposition to radical life extension isn’t about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.
However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can’t seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I’m not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can’t be divorced from denying something to others.
There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?
And besides I’m not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I’ve come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn’t have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.
In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.
As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it's prohibitively expensive, which most likely won't be the case. Not for long anyway.
I’m sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.
See, it’s the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom’s cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!
Yup, it’s got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.
See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!
Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
True. It’s like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?
The notion sure doesn't float my boat.
Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.
Have you read any of Badian’s books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I’ll read Ronald Syme’s “The Roman Revolution” fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic… yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I’ve never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.
https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-war
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html
No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).Replies: @Wokechoke
To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!
If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.
Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!
I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.
However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.
There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?
And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.
In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.Replies: @Mikel
Good points on IVF. To be honest, I hadn’t thought about them. All I know is that couples that discover that they are infertile often go through a lot of anxiety. Their revealed preference shows that in general human nature leads people to try the closest thing to what’s natural: getting pregnant and continuing their genetic lineage. Reasonable aspirations, as far as I’m concerned, but I also respect your point of view and no longer consider it radical, now that you’ve explained it.
As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it’s prohibitively expensive, which most likely won’t be the case. Not for long anyway.
At least he’s trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweilReplies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa
OK. And why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
Kurzweil ?
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil
https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/
His process sounds like an utter miserable pain in the ass. I think you would have to exceptionally neurotic to undertake such a regimen.Replies: @RSDB
https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweilReplies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa
Yes, that one.
https://www.kurzweiltech.com/images/ray_medal2.jpg
His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.
It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
• Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
• Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
• Cost is $3-5 million per interceptorEven if 100% successful, critical questions include:
◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors? Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
____I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
___The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become. Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.PEACE 😇Replies: @AP, @Mikel
US Government-Kiev Regime Corruption
Re: Below May 19 Andrew Napolitano-Tony Shaffer Discussion on the US Military Industrial Complex and Why the F-16s to Ukraine are Another Flop
The below segment pertains to the citizens of leading Western countries who are increasingly being told that there’s limited government funding for domestic concerns.
The US outspends the next seven-eleven leading nations in defense spending combined. Five of the ten leading defense spenders (US included) are NATO members. Russia has regularly ranked between four and six in defense spending. Yet Russia appears to produce artillery shells and tanks at a much better rate than what the collective West can give to the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.
Another good discussion on the subject well worth viewing:
Forwarded to my attention –
In the same note, this came with the following –
That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 – that’s how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.
You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.
That’s what you do since you can’t live with reality.
And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow
https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1659835464478498816?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
I heard that some libertarians became alt-right because they concluded that free-market solutions can’t effectively handle the problem of underclass minorities.
It’s like with the busing debate back in the day: It’s easy to support busing while sending one’s own kids to fancy private schools where the diversity is cherry-picked to only include elite black and Hispanic kids.
The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!
And Poland subsequently got almost half a century’s taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*
I can get ChatGPT to write me interesting stories about Hester Prynne getting married to a eunuch who had a sexual fetish for her scarlet letter. Is that not something?
And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow
The Polish Home Army didn’t coordinate their attack with the Red Army, which was quite stupid, given the latter had to strategically consider such a prompt supporting move with other matters at that point in time. When it initially appeared that it was winning, there was pro-Polish Home Army propaganda claiming the Red Army wasn’t really needed.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/
How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?
“ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"
It looks like it’s from Iran:
the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:
Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate
Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”
Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.
As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.
Here it is:
NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Allocation
OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
RegDate: 2015-04-01
Updated: 2021-12-14
Comment: http://sucuri.net
Comment: [email protected]
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0
OrgName: Sucuri
OrgId: SUCUR-2
Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
City: Menifee
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92584
Country: US
RegDate: 2014-12-11
Updated: 2020-04-29
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overviewReplies: @QCIC
Selective memory is amazing thing – not only first Reagan term forgotten, but very easy to ignore that US supplied the guns all the time then against invading Soviet army;)
He even escalated it more in 1986 IIRC with providing Stingers, which negated local Soviet air superiority and was one of the causes, along with financial Soviet shortages due to Western sanctions and oil price slide, which forced to remove Soviet troops from USSR neighbouring Afghanistan in 1988.
Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.
https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1659633248643760142?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZAReplies: @sudden death, @Greasy William
Friendship of nations developing;)
https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230520/ARTICLE/230529978/AR/0/AR-230529978.jpg
I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback. Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-warhttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.htmlReplies: @German_reader
Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you’ll forgive me, if I’m not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it “evil” and “criminal”, to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history…) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians…apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
No, I haven’t read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn’t find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven’t forgotten about it.
Can’t comment much on Livy tbh, I think I’ve only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You’re probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I’ve always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you’ve also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games…too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).
From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.Replies: @songbird
https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1659514236018601985
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FWIW:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/
How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?
“ There’s no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it’s some Indian guy’s blog presented as a “magazine”
It looks like it’s from Iran:
the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:
Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate
Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”
Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
As always, it’s up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.
As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command’s output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it’s often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.
Here it is:
NetRange: 192.124.249.0 – 192.124.249.255
CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Allocation
OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
RegDate: 2015-04-01
Updated: 2021-12-14
Comment: http://sucuri.net
Comment: [email protected]
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0
OrgName: Sucuri
OrgId: SUCUR-2
Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
City: Menifee
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92584
Country: US
RegDate: 2014-12-11
Updated: 2020-04-29
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
Checking the site’s rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the “magazine” ranks highest. It’s categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview
Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.
AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.Replies: @AP
No, it’s saying that a component had minor damage that was quickly repaired.
Is that why when harassing the city of Kiev, Russia switched to using drones (which Patriot isn’t for) , after its failed missile barrage?
Karlin, you’re a dumb faggot.
You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
https://imgur.com/a/003HGC1Replies: @German_reader
Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don’t think there’s much point in addressing him.
You wouldn’t ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That’s Karlin’s status now.
(According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.
I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpgReplies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool
ਅਕਾਲ
lol!
All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.
The facts that everyone agrees on are:
• Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
• Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
• Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor
Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?
Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
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I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.
How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm…. Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
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The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.
Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.
PEACE 😇
The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.
The sequence of events seems to be:
1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.
2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.
3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.
Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.
And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.Replies: @A123
But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.Replies: @A123, @AP
It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcgReplies: @Greasy William, @Sean
Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!
Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?
Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.
I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They’d prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective
There is a photo on the web of Clinton giving him a medal.
His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.
https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpgReplies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death
It would be funny to see these two in the octagon with their shirts off. Have you seen that Vice video where the reporter goes to Andrew Tate’s estate and Tate puts him in the octagon for one of his cult zombies to smack around?
https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpgReplies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death
Has he been to the Kaaba yet?
You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles
(According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.
I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
Sure thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/
How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?
“ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"
It looks like it’s from Iran:
the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:
Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate
Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”
Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.
As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.
Here it is:
NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Allocation
OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
RegDate: 2015-04-01
Updated: 2021-12-14
Comment: http://sucuri.net
Comment: [email protected]
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0
OrgName: Sucuri
OrgId: SUCUR-2
Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
City: Menifee
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92584
Country: US
RegDate: 2014-12-11
Updated: 2020-04-29
Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overviewReplies: @QCIC
Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.
Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.
AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.
In terms of actions - if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.
Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.
(According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.
I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpgReplies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool
Yeah, just a bunch of stupid rightoids. While he’s apparently part of “elite human capital”.
Sure thing.
They should take him to NEOM.
(According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.
I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpgReplies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool
Of course Tolik thinks we are dumb. And that’s okay with me. I ain’t getting smarter because people think that I am smart and neither am I getting dumber because people think that I am dumb. People’s subjective opinions are mostly misguided and irrelevant anyway. What is important is whether anyone of us, Tolik included, is capable of confronting our own biases and limitations. Doing this makes us better people, doing otherwise makes us worse.
Supposedly, only 34% of female college students in China ever want children.
There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hourReplies: @songbird, @Barbarossa
Fifty years ago.
Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/Replies: @songbird
Hadn’t been thinking about age at all. Might be a big factor with pregnant women.
Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.
It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren’t so specific but are more generalist.
Will that be a good place for him to show off his dance moves?
https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1659585940895981568?s=20Replies: @Greasy William
children are gay, imo
There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour
The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.
I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.Replies: @Greasy William
Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.
AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.Replies: @AP
Well, the sources that claim the Patriot system was partially or completely destroyed include a blogger who claimed that Russian would conquer Ukraine soon (in February) and that Ukraine regularly uses chemical weapons, a shady Iranian source, and the Russian MOD. These are no more credible than claims by the Ukrainian MOD. And the only proof of those claims is a doctored video.
In terms of actions – if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.
Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.
Maybe, maybe not. The ground is still muddy though. The longer the delay, the larger the trained and well- equipped the Ukrainian force becomes. While Russia is atritted at an unfavorable rate in Bakhmut.
Does giving Himars suggest that Ukraine lost the Battle of Kiev?
That remains to be seen.
They also have a rather huge front manned by a force that is light enough that the Ukrainians can maneuver around it. We’ll se how complex and effective those fortifications are, I suppose.
I give the Ukrainians a 50/50 chance of seizing the Crimean corridor by the end of the season.
• Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
• Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
• Cost is $3-5 million per interceptorEven if 100% successful, critical questions include:
◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors? Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
____I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
___The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become. Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.PEACE 😇Replies: @AP, @Mikel
Sounds right.
The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.
The sequence of events seems to be:
1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to “test” the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.
2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.
3. When that didn’t work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.
Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.
And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That’s what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.
And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.
PEACE 😇Replies: @AP
And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow
The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.
It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don’t expect them to save your hide.
There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up – and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.
I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.
I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.
Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.
Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow
The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.
The sequence of events seems to be:
1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.
2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.
3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.
Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.
And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.Replies: @A123
Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:
Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.
And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.
PEACE 😇
So we are being told where and when. Obvious to me this is a scare tactic. In my opinion the Ukrainians want to stop the Russian front line troops being rotated out, thereby eroding their effectiveness. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting all this great training in combined arms maneuver warfare and the new Western arms deliveries. Yet in war the measure is relative power; with all this time the Russians are being given the dragon’s teeth may be quite well built.

All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.
A ship or a freighter etc.Replies: @Greasy William
Might be seen as a golden age once the Negritude hits Warsaw.
No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).Replies: @Wokechoke
The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.
From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.
https://youtu.be/1O3NVRlbnSYReplies: @German_reader
From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.Replies: @songbird
I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn’t seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can’t find a book.
Don't know what the current consensus on archaic Roman religion is, iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods. In any case there was strong Greek influence from quite early on.
@Wokechoke: thanks for the movie recommendation!Replies: @songbird
There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hourReplies: @songbird, @Barbarossa
But that is like 0.5 Greasies!
The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.
I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.
I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can’t explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvwReplies: @Sean
What’s so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?
• Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
• Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
• Cost is $3-5 million per interceptorEven if 100% successful, critical questions include:
◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors? Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
____I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
___The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become. Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.PEACE 😇Replies: @AP, @Mikel
You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.
But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”. The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtvn59-16wx620hpdiwOYLG_EY9NknRscJyps7mhQRsdx963qLZjTQwBKJ3OAkQ7-6BXf3QbP5XBNlHNveIpETssz0mWkOhHDy9X0UgkAdf3-Lfoao4eiKd5qXdOPCmSwwKhsAxeahf0zi8Jph5o3h4Gr5ktA9bAZZHa3eMKHSi9xXhi9l0Q/s4096/FwLb3uaWwAQwfNl.jpg
I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) -- Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
____Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden's campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.PEACE 😇
Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.
And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters). Those were previous generations Patriot systems.
The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:
"On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]
A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"
As for the Yemenis:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461
"In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away."
Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split
(China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)
Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.
The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine's Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.Replies: @Wokechoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvwReplies: @Sean
https://static.rusi.org/403-SR-Russian-Tactics-web-final.pdf
The Russians are potentially in a good spot.
All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.
A ship or a freighter etc.
The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.
I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.Replies: @Greasy William
This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)
All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.
A ship or a freighter etc.Replies: @Greasy William
I don’t think China is planning to move until the 2030’s
G7 meeting Japanese statement…they sound fucking nervous.
Children do not smoke, do not drink, and some of them have psychic powers. Everybody has their plusses/minuses. Negroes are good at basketball.
Recently was curious about what happens to mosquitos when you slap them and miss and only get one leg, and they fly off.
This seems to suggest that they can still bite and lay eggs.
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep46674
This is a lie.
I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.
I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.
Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.
Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn’t, had you been a Pole.
What was inaccurate there?
Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?
If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility.
Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.
Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?
And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.
PEACE 😇Replies: @AP
We don’t know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has stockpiled. Apparently at least enough for that barrage and then some, Moscow isn’t sending more Kinzhals or others into Kiev. It was instead sending them to places like Odessa that aren’t covered by a Patriot battery.
Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.
Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.
But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.Replies: @A123, @AP
ROTFLMAO
Iron Dome effectively countered top notch Iranian guidance packages delivered to their proxies, such Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ]. These systems were rendered almost “entirely useless”. 1,500 high tech Iranian weapons were launched from Gaza. ~300 fell short killing at least 4 Muslim colonists, including 1 child. At the same time Iron Dome was so effective at countering the air threat, only 1 Palestinian Jew was killed.
I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.
The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) — Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
____
Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?
I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden’s campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.
PEACE 😇
The fateful G7 meeting.
Agenda by the numbers…
1. Russia
2. China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit
3. Vaccines…
There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.
Agenda by the numbers…
1. Russia
2. China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit
3. Vaccines…
There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.Replies: @AnonfromTN
Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.
Could be the wrong article but…
SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.Replies: @AnonfromTN
Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him... Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!
PEACE 😇Replies: @AnonfromTN
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60
Could be the wrong article but…
SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.
But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.Replies: @A123, @AP
Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn’t affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.
Setting aside each sides’ claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.
And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn’t made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).
Those were previous generations Patriot systems.
The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:
“On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army’s 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]
A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system’s handling of timestamps”
As for the Yemenis:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461
“In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away.”
Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split
(China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)
Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.
The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine’s Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.
Who is the Godfather — Scholz? Or, Macron?
Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him… Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!
PEACE 😇
Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.Replies: @A123
Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.
And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters). Those were previous generations Patriot systems.
The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:
"On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]
A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"
As for the Yemenis:
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461
"In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile