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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

Meanwhile, I’ve published another couple of articles on the Russia/Ukraine conflict that the commenters might find of interest:

https://www.unz.com/runz/did-a-russian-missile-strike-kill-200-nato-officers-in-a-ukrainian-bunker/

https://www.unz.com/runz/assassinating-vladimir-putin/

Also, here’s the new CIA recruitment video ad aimed at disgruntled Russians and the troll response the Russians apparently volleyed back:

 
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  1. Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn’t transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Greasy William

    He will probably become a GAE-Lord, as in, a Lord of the Greater American Empire, especially if Russia will experience a color revolution and turn towards the West again. He might also try playing the grift game due to his quarter-Lak heritage, which can make him a person of color in liberal eyes.

  2. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I’ve read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel

    I can get ChatGPT to write me interesting stories about Hester Prynne getting married to a eunuch who had a sexual fetish for her scarlet letter. Is that not something?

  3. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn’t cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today’s internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  4. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

  5. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer’s hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mickey @ his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISo

    Replies: @QCIC

  6. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    If I go to the unz home page and look at the posts with most comments in the last month this is what I see:

    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 216
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 217
    Ron Unz
    Did a Russian Missile Strike Kill 200 NATO Officers in a Ukrainian Bunker?
    Ron Unz
    Did the Neocons Save the World from the Thucydides Trap?
    Karlin Community
    Open Thread 215
    Ron Unz
    Dislodging the Neocons, Difficult But Necessary

    Anatoly Karlin has repudiated us but he has created an egregore with legs. Are you familiar with the Mickey Mouse playing with his boss Sorcerer's hat in Fantasia? This is not a bad metaphor for OpenAI creating a super intelligent AI beyond human control.

    I tried but was unable to squish the phrase metaphor for forester in there.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Mickey @ his best:

    • LOL: James of Africa
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  7. @Greasy William
    Anatoly: if AI ends up being a dud and doesn't transform the world like you expect, are you just going to kill yourself?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    He will probably become a GAE-Lord, as in, a Lord of the Greater American Empire, especially if Russia will experience a color revolution and turn towards the West again. He might also try playing the grift game due to his quarter-Lak heritage, which can make him a person of color in liberal eyes.

  8. A123 says: • Website

    Much has been made of Trump saying he would end the fight in Ukraine in 24 hours.

    -1- The time frame is clearly not serious. It is *exaggerated in a humorous way*. Anyone who thinks that number was intended to be taken seriously has entirely missed the comic strategy:
    • At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden’s lethargy and absence from the world stage.
    • It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with “When?” based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.

    -2- Trump’s 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel’s stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.

    Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

  9. According to Strelkov’s current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is “waging war” (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk’s mother was Jewish), so it’s putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin – former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist “Ozero” political-criminal gang members.

    Sergei Kiriyenko’s grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Since you brought up Prigozhin,

    https://twitter.com/realism_fan/status/1659064275082829824?s=20

    This is a good example of Prigozhin's "let's you and him fight" jewry. No one on the thread points out that Prigozhin is a jew. Many in BOTH sides in that thread know he is. Yet it's turned a blind eye to and Prigozhin is just another Ivan. Most normies will say "There goes that Toad Faced Russian again."

    Prigozhin's "Ecco Homo" with both Russian and Ukie (or American in this case) corpses is very Kosher.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    I doubt that Shoigu's mother was Jewish since she apparently survived the German occupation in Ukraine during WWII, which was almost impossible for a Jewish person or even a half-Jewish person to do:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu

  10. @A123
    Much has been made of Trump saying he would end the fight in Ukraine in 24 hours.

    -1- The time frame is clearly not serious. It is *exaggerated in a humorous way*. Anyone who thinks that number was intended to be taken seriously has entirely missed the comic strategy:
    • At the top level it reminds viewers, in a funny way, of Not-The-President Biden's lethargy and absence from the world stage.
    • It also cuts off potential aggressive reporter follow up with "When?" based questions as he can repeat the same comic time frame.

    -2- Trump's 2nd term goals include repairing the relationship between Russia & America. A good starting point would be emulating Israel's stance towards the Kiev regime. No munitions, no war funding, no intelligence support. This *obviously takes longer than 24 hours*. For example, there are intelligence specialists on the ground in Ukraine that need to be evacuated before Trump can put the a ultimatum to Zelensky.

    Pushing Putin and Xi together was an serious error by Not-The-President. Bringing Christian Russia and Christian America closer together is necessary to repair this damage done by the current unelected White House occupant.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn’t suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria – uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain – is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That’s why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia – I don’t know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Beckow

    "The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain"

    His name is that Paki.

  11. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the “wrong” side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ….
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.

    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.

    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump’s 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best” ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mikel
    @A123




    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.
     
    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.

    Replies: @A123

  12. QCIC says:
    @Mikhail
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Mickey @ his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLV2CqOjISo

    Replies: @QCIC

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer’s Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    AI is about control
     
    I've thought about this most explicitly, though it's somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through "approved and fact-checked" channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    Replies: @QCIC

  13. QCIC says:
    @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with “Russia Bad” sensibilities and the “Enemy of my enemy is my friend” logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

  14. Where do all the bodies and the wounded go on both sides?

    Is there ANYTHING leaking out on this subject?

  15. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net – seemed like a letdown.

    [MORE]

    But I’m not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument – the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal – and many are easy to define – it doesn’t take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won’t give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can’t say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird


    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.
     
    The last time I went to a medical doctor (this was ten years ago) he sat with his laptop and input my answers to his questions into a flowchart-tree-diagnosis program. He never touched my body but he did hold a stethoscope against my breastbone for 45 seconds. His nurse in the preliminary exam did handle my arm to attach and detach the blood pressure meter sleeve. Less than a minute. The nurse in the after-session did handle my arm and stick me with a syringe to extract blood. They might as well have been robots.

    I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.

    This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:

    https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
    5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak

    They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.
    , @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

  16. @QCIC
    @A123

    A crucial job of the NeoNazis who I believe are woven into parts of the Ukrainian system is to make capitulation very difficult for Ukrainian power brokers who would try to make this choice.

    The view has been widely sold that this is just a typical Eastern European war, with "Russia Bad" sensibilities and the "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" logic. It is not, it is the opening round of World War 3. If Trump (or anyone) wants to stop things before it is too late they need to open their eyes and clarify their thinking. I don't believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years (possibly in a different border country) or accusations of being weak at home.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.

    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia – here too – but the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled – the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don’t really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind’s future?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.
     
    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.
     
    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    The HMS Defender naval demonstration probably triggered the executive decision.

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  17. There’s so much to discuss about what’s happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the “Great Refusal” as resistance to the “Great Reset” but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one’s physical health indicators like “the internet of bodies” is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming …

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George’s old age by now anyway) … Hopefully Musk doesn’t end up like poor Kanye did …

    It’s a shame I can’t just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I’ll just state that Karlin’s predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren’t worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that “Political Economy” (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn’t know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That’s why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin’s beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov’s Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov’s fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov’s Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin’s much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I’m critiquing Karlin’s assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it’s only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call “Force Employment” or perhaps more simply “Military skill” in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we’ve seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle – Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of “Force Employment” or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn’t always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no “wunderwaffen”/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it’s not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    “Military skill” can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros
     
    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the "Leave out the A" Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.
     
    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

  18. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.

    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

  19. @A123
    @Beckow


    To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    – there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    – the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc…

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.
     

    Locking in something close to the current line makes a great deal of sense. Allowing an India/Pakistan style movement period for those on the "wrong" side of the border fixes most of the language & education issues.

    Don’t underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly
    ....
    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to cut it out and settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it.
     
    There is work that has to be done before such a call.

    • Making sure that truly sensitive technology & information cannot be grabbed and sold to Iran or China.
    • Moving Americans out of harms way. While Zelensky would not order a hit, an 18 year old with a rifle could take matters into his own hands.

    After the call the outcome would be inevitable, but the timing is hard to predict. My hope is that Zelensky would get on a plane and immediately fly to his European sincure. From there he could resign, allowing a sane government to form Kiev.

    However, he might do something crazy. Attempting to fight on with only European support would be foolish, but Zelensky might try it.


    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)
     
    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation. And, MAGA never had a majority in the Senate. Mitch McConnell put his wife, Elaine Chao, into the administration. End running this impediment by relying on family (e.g. Jared Kushner) works after a fashion, however that technique has its own limitations.

    Trump's 2nd term will have a more MAGA senate. This will lead to a better cabinet and less family entanglement. However, it still will not be 100% perfect.

    "Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best" ― Otto von Bismarck

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.

    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News’ Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump’s disdain for Bolton’s signature mustache.[141]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists’ poor electoral performance.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    You *DO NOT* understand American politics... At all. There are a huge number of unwritten rules. There is every reason to believe that a non cabinet position, like NSA, can horse traded for cabinet position confirmation.

    The truth is visible to all who can see: (1)


    Pompeo: Bolton left out of meetings ‘because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie’

     

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed back on claims in former national security adviser John Bolton’s memoir late Monday, telling Fox News’s Sean Hannity that Bolton was frozen out of meetings over suspicions he would either leak or lie about the topics discussed.

    “I haven’t read the book in its entirety, but the excerpts I’ve seen, there’s lots of falsehoods, there’s lot of lies contained there,” Pompeo told Hannity, saying he took issue with even the title, “The Room Where It Happened.”

    “The president and others, myself included, had to cut him out of meetings because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie,” Pompeo said. “It was a really difficult situation where John Bolton thought he was more important than the president of the United States and the American people.”
     
    Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.

    The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump's 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
    ____

    Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2)

    DeSantis Quietly Signs New Law Sealing All of His Travel Records From Public, the Law Applies Retroactively

     

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis always makes a big deal about signing all of the Florida laws that stem from new legislation the people behind his administration submit from his office. However, when he signed the new law that sealed all his travel records [Previously Discussed Here], he did so quietly.

    The Ron DeSantis reelection was all a big con job… all of it. Florida was duped, and I have had a lot of people begging me not to point it out and talk about it. Too bad. The Truth Has No Agenda here!

    The not pretending reason for the exclusive DeSantis new law is to stop anyone from tracing the background of his travel, and the billionaire special interests and donors who funded it, as he launches his 2024 presidential campaign. As I have been saying since last summer, the DeSantis ’24 campaign was planned years ago – long before anyone else was paying attention.
     
    You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/
  20. @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    The last time I went to a medical doctor (this was ten years ago) he sat with his laptop and input my answers to his questions into a flowchart-tree-diagnosis program. He never touched my body but he did hold a stethoscope against my breastbone for 45 seconds. His nurse in the preliminary exam did handle my arm to attach and detach the blood pressure meter sleeve. Less than a minute. The nurse in the after-session did handle my arm and stick me with a syringe to extract blood. They might as well have been robots.

    I forget statistics on the nurses but the doctor himself was definitely a fat slob. The message from the universe to me seemed unambiguous that you are on your own buddy.

    This is the best post-GPT-hype on AI I have seen:

    https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7266
    5 worlds of AI, Scott Aaronson and Boaz Barak

    They extracted a lot of blood. Four test tubes although there was only one needle stick. The idea that one small drop of blood would be sufficient for laboratory work might be the dumbest idea I have ever heard.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Thanks: songbird
  21. Recently watched the 1959 Disney movie ‘The Shaggy Dog.’

    [MORE]

    Apparently, it was loosely inspired by the novel ‘The Hound of Florence’ by Felix Salten. It is amazing to think that the author of ‘Josephine Mutzenbacher’ was so influential at Disney, though I guess his name was never on that book. But I have heard that the novel ‘Bambi’ had a lot of dirty elements.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Mutzenbacher

    Afraid that the dog puppet did not work very well and looked creepy. A few of the jokes were too corny for me, but from a socio-historical standpoint, of a story from a vanished America, I still thought it was interesting.

    Early in the film, the older brother is a hobby scientist, but one of his experiments goes wrong (very cornball.) But this results in two interesting scenes.

    In one the father is really mad, and he tells his son to get rid of everything in his laboratory and he says ‘Bury the chemicals.’

    In the other, the two boys (and one of them very young) are on the roof, trying to repair the damage that they did. (Would be perceived as too dangerous today.)

    I also thought that it was interesting how the film sort of has a weak theme of foreigners being suspicious. None of the American characters appear to be able to speak a foreign language, or seem to really need or want to, unless you count Latin, in one scene.

  22. @songbird
    @Mikel

    I recall that they said that IBM Watson would be used to fight cancer. Maybe, it was, but the only thing I remember appearing about it in the media was that it was being used to predict which movies would be blockbusters ahead of their release by reading the general buzz about them on the net - seemed like a letdown.

    But I'm not quite so dismissive as some others.

    I think it is worth noting that the complexity argument - the idea that intelligence comes from the complexity of the human brain, and it is impossible to emulate is fairly ancient and I think goes back at least close to 100 years or more. But obviously electronics are a lot more sophisticated now.

    And even if that actually is impossible, IMO, there is a lot of room for low-level AI to benefit society. The billion tries of a dim-witted silicon autist, who never loses focus is nothing to shirk.

    If you have a defined goal - and many are easy to define - it doesn't take a genius to reach it, only an autist who won't give up.

    Some doomers believe that the internet is the temporary result of peak oil. Can't say I agree exactly, but I do believe that low-level AI at some future point could probably rewrite the code of much of internet to reduce its energy costs by about half.

    There seems a lot of potential for low-level AI in diagnosing and treatment, if it is ever allowed politically to remove the obstacles put up by special interests that prevent one from being able to go straight to a computer.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    I don’t know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we’ll survive them, obviously.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikel

    Never been able to wrap my head around quantum computing. Even if I could see it, not sure I'd be able to believe it.
    ___
    Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects - wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.

    But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.

    If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can't be faked.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mikel

    "He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037


    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?
     
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.
     
    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.
     
    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  23. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them.
     
    This did not have to be existential for the empire, but now it is: the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII. There are no longer any other options. The “West” is essentially the empire and its sidekicks. The decisions will be made by the empire, nobody will ask sidekicks for their opinions, even if they have any.

    Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.
     
    Ukraine is the provider of the battle ground and much (but not all) of the cannon fodder. The Kiev regime is a third-rate sidekick, a disposable glove on the imperial hand.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.

    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won’t allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck – and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off…or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That’s what I think they will do…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the "Russia Bad" meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

  24. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    The HMS Defender naval demonstration probably triggered the executive decision.

  25. Lots of cross over with the Lynx and K-Car as a Drone Strike before the drone. Also a semi disavowed Mercenary force fresh from Malaya, Vietnam and Indonesia fighting a Soviet Equipped Autocrat.

  26. @sudden death
    According to Strelkov's current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is "waging war" (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk's mother was Jewish), so it's putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin - former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist "Ozero" political-criminal gang members.


    Sergei Kiriyenko's grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    Since you brought up Prigozhin,

    This is a good example of Prigozhin’s “let’s you and him fight” jewry. No one on the thread points out that Prigozhin is a jew. Many in BOTH sides in that thread know he is. Yet it’s turned a blind eye to and Prigozhin is just another Ivan. Most normies will say “There goes that Toad Faced Russian again.”

    Prigozhin’s “Ecco Homo” with both Russian and Ukie (or American in this case) corpses is very Kosher.

  27. @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

    Never been able to wrap my head around quantum computing. Even if I could see it, not sure I’d be able to believe it.
    ___
    Deepfake is one of the great unknowns. We are already seeing some negative effects – wooden-faced dead actors trying to capture nostalgia in bad movies.

    But the optimist in me hopes for good things. Biting political satire, where the true author can safely hide his identity.

    If things become easier to fake and game, I hope that that will force people to return to greater authenticity in both social relationships and systems. To value the things that can’t be faked.

  28. QCIC says:
    @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the “Russia Bad” meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don’t know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.
     
    Nazis are irrelevant, they are disposable pawns in this game. What really matters is that the so-called West (the empire and its vassals; the identity of the empire changes, but the crux of the matter does not) is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as it was for centuries. It is ruled by psychopaths today. The inmates “democratically” took over lunatic asylum.
  29. Patriot system trash-talks Russian hypersonic missiles. SlightlyNSFW.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    Replies: @Pixo

  30. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    They could still take their toys and retreat.

    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  31. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    One concern is the chances of something dangerous and stupid happening increase as the West gets more trapped on the thinner branches. This might not even happen in Ukraine. I suspect most Western military people absorbed the "Russia Bad" meme and simply converted it into a shallow existential fantasy for the West. These are the people might pull the trigger or push the button when there are not supposed to. There is a slight chance that the posturing inadvertently but predictably turns into WW3. Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    I am tired of, but not finished talking about this Armageddon stuff and will try to focus on how to undo it or at least minimize the future carnage. Does it matter, I don't know, but this seems the right thing to do.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Or it might caused be a few angry NeoNazis who are really put out by the whole thing.

    Nazis are irrelevant, they are disposable pawns in this game. What really matters is that the so-called West (the empire and its vassals; the identity of the empire changes, but the crux of the matter does not) is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as it was for centuries. It is ruled by psychopaths today. The inmates “democratically” took over lunatic asylum.

    • Agree: QCIC
  32. Supposedly, a smaller, lighter version of a radioisotope thermoelectric generator on the horizon. Hard to understand what its secret sauce is, other than strontium, though strontium has been done before.

    https://spacenews.com/zeno-power-gets-30-million-to-build-radioisotope-powered-satellite-for-u-s-military/

    [MORE]

    BTW, did anyone ever hear of the Soviet lighthouse RTGs along the Arctic Coast? Seems like kind of a failed idea in some ways, but still pretty interesting. Forget if I ever mentioned them before:

    In addition to spacecraft, the Soviet Union built 1007 RTGs[7] to power uncrewed lighthouses and navigation beacons on the Soviet arctic coast by the late 1980s.[7][8] Many different types of RTGs (including Beta-M type) were built in the Soviet Union for a wide variety of purposes. The lighthouses were not maintained for many years after the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. Some of the RTG units disappeared during this time—either by looting or by the natural forces of ice/storm/sea.[7] In 1996, a project was begun by Russian and international supporters to decommission the RTGs in the lighthouses, and by 2021, all RTGs are now removed.[7]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator

  33. QCIC says:
    @Pixo
    Patriot system trash-talks Russian hypersonic missiles. SlightlyNSFW.

    https://twitter.com/jebbbby/status/1658577472072429573

    Replies: @QCIC

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @QCIC

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    Replies: @QCIC

  34. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    I don’t think so. Standard American reaction to defeat, “declare victory and leave”, won’t work anymore. It’s not about the toys any longer, it’s about the whole sandbox. Either the bully retreats with his tail between his legs, or he blows up the whole world and disappears with the rest of us in a fiery storm. Sane people would choose the first option, but the empire is not ruled by immoral unscrupulous sane criminals, as before, it is ruled by psychopaths now. All bets are off.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.
     
    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    Replies: @sudden death

  35. A123 says: • Website
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    There's so much to discuss about what's happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the "Great Refusal" as resistance to the "Great Reset" but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one's physical health indicators like "the internet of bodies" is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming ...

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...

    It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    "Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    Replies: @A123, @Pixo

    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros

    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    • Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  36. A lot of what’s going on with the regime was baked in because, as analysts from Pareto and Mosca, Schmitt, Burnham, McLuhan all were telling us, the refinement of mind manipulation ideas go back to Ramses III (who invented Leni Riefenstahl style epic spectacle propaganda) , then on to the Romans but were refined by Bernays and his disciples. It’d be instructive to know the discussions behind opening up the internet to non- institutional users in the early 90s. They tried to make a tame/controlled version with AOL and Compuscrew- remember those? But it sure looks to me like things got out of hand- however since those early days, they refined their ability to control search, so now results are the thin gruel they all ate in ‘1984’
    Power is an end in itself, but until there is literally only one mind remaining, it will always be confounded and subverted. Right now, Russia and China make common cause to defend themselves against the New Jerusalem but no one should be under the illusion China would not play the same game had they not gone through a collapse period of their own- much of it self caused. Powerful people surround themselves with toadies and suppress heresies. They assume a track record of success over multiple generations is indicative of permanent divine favor.

  37. @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.

    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.
     
    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)


    https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  38. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @A123




    hard to understand, the “Bolton” thing, etc…)

    It is an artifact of the U.S. system. Cabinet officials require Senate confirmation.
     
    Bullcrap.

    The National Security Advisor is appointed by the President and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Bolton was being considered by Trump for his cabinet from the very beginning:

    In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign, Republican nominee Donald Trump named Bolton as a possible choice for Secretary of State. Appearing on Fox News' Fox and Friends on December 1, 2016, Bolton admitted he was being considered as a Secretary of State candidate for the incoming Trump administration.[139][140] Several Trump associates claim Bolton was not chosen, in part, due to Trump's disdain for Bolton's signature mustache.[141]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bolton#Speculation_on_position_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The good thing about candidate Trump is that he is a very well known quantity. We all have 4 full years of experience to evaluate how he would do in a second term. And in the best-case scenario he would again have RINO warmongers McCarthy and McConnell (or a similar successor to the latter) to contend with in Congress, after his loyalists' poor electoral performance.

    Replies: @A123

    You *DO NOT* understand American politics… At all. There are a huge number of unwritten rules. There is every reason to believe that a non cabinet position, like NSA, can horse traded for cabinet position confirmation.

    The truth is visible to all who can see: (1)

    Pompeo: Bolton left out of meetings ‘because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie’

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pushed back on claims in former national security adviser John Bolton’s memoir late Monday, telling Fox News’s Sean Hannity that Bolton was frozen out of meetings over suspicions he would either leak or lie about the topics discussed.

    “I haven’t read the book in its entirety, but the excerpts I’ve seen, there’s lots of falsehoods, there’s lot of lies contained there,” Pompeo told Hannity, saying he took issue with even the title, “The Room Where It Happened.”

    “The president and others, myself included, had to cut him out of meetings because he was leaking or he would twist things or he’d lie,” Pompeo said. “It was a really difficult situation where John Bolton thought he was more important than the president of the United States and the American people.”

    Bolton had little authority and was ultimately fired for abusing his pittance.

    The idea that Bolton was an important part of Trump’s 1st term is preposterous. Only those clueless about American politics would make such a baseless accusation.
    ____

    Why is your RINO DeSantis covering up his record of being bought? (2)

    DeSantis Quietly Signs New Law Sealing All of His Travel Records From Public, the Law Applies Retroactively

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis always makes a big deal about signing all of the Florida laws that stem from new legislation the people behind his administration submit from his office. However, when he signed the new law that sealed all his travel records [Previously Discussed Here], he did so quietly.

    The Ron DeSantis reelection was all a big con job… all of it. Florida was duped, and I have had a lot of people begging me not to point it out and talk about it. Too bad. The Truth Has No Agenda here!

    The not pretending reason for the exclusive DeSantis new law is to stop anyone from tracing the background of his travel, and the billionaire special interests and donors who funded it, as he launches his 2024 presidential campaign. As I have been saying since last summer, the DeSantis ’24 campaign was planned years ago – long before anyone else was paying attention.

    You really need to admit that your efforts to denying GOP voters the only MAGA candidate is about keeping your #1 choice, Not-The-President, Biden in power.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/504020-pompeo-bolton-left-out-of-meetings-because-he-was-leaking-or-he-would/

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/12/desantis-quietly-signs-new-law-sealing-all-of-his-travel-records-from-public-the-law-applies-retroactively/

  39. Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    How does that make any sense?
     
    To a WEIRD WEIRD West-ener it doesn't, but it is a different culture, some might say a more primitive one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBMY3VV5AMA

    Those Russians didn't need any kind of training to know they were inevitably going to die going up against a tank plus superior numbers of supporting infantry --and not even in Russia proper--yet they did not quit. And those were merely part of a thin screen of satellite forces out on front the beetling battlements of continuous line that gets more dense and the deeper you go. If those grimily determined (and grimy) fellows were just 'conscripts', they had a remarkable fighting spirit.


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    Mike
    @KofmanMichael
    and I wrote about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive and what comes afterwards. Although Ukraine will likely make gains, this offensive is unlikely to end the war. Western countries need a plan for supporting Ukraine for a long war.
     
    Endless if the above small unit action is anything to go b.y

    Tatarigami_UA
    @Tatarigami_UA
    I had discussions with several officers in Bakhmut and its surrounding area today, and it is disheartening to note that the situation remains very challenging in the city itself. The problem stems from the fact that the russian forces maintain a significant advantage in terms of artillery and mortars numbers.

    Regardless of the training, experience and preparation of our soldiers, if positions are reduced to rubble by non-stop shelling, we will be unable to hold them.
     

    I agree the (seventy-something) Macgregor has been less than prescient about Russian capabilities and the utility of armored mobile large formation warfare. The most likely explanation for Bakhmut is not that one side is clever and the other is idiotic, but rather that both sides somewhat stupidly decided to go toe to toe irrespective of the consequences.
  40. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...the empire painted itself into a corner. It cannot get out of the situation without losing its world dominance less violently or destroying its dominance along with the world in WWIII.
     
    It was a gradual process over decades: careers, hubris, ethnic hatreds, resentments. They could still take their toys and retreat. It would dramatically help their countries but at the expense of the loudmouths who pushed the confrontation. They won't allow it.

    Dominance is overrated, ia game concept far from the real life. The dollar dominance when exercised with restraint, and at least pretended at neutrality, was ok with the rest of the world. The occasional murderous attacks on smaller countries were annoying and hypocritical, but since they never accomplished much, the world could continue shrugging them off.

    But they just had to go for the jugular. Now they are stuck - and the rest of the mankind with them. They climbed a tree, from branch to smaller branch, now stuck on a thin branch with no way back all that is left is to saw it off...or they can just sit there and yell at everyone. That's what I think they will do...

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    They could still take their toys and retreat.

    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn’t that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/”religious” value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.
     
    Give it time. Trump's 2nd term will repudiate anti-America IslamoGloboHomo, including anti-Semite Zelensky and Not-The-President Biden.

    The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.

    PEACE 😇
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Everything that liberals love would be gone.
     
    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    Replies: @Beckow

  41. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    They really can’t. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    Give it time. Trump’s 2nd term will repudiate anti-America IslamoGloboHomo, including anti-Semite Zelensky and Not-The-President Biden.

    The European Empire will be trouble when Trump pulls the rug out from under Macron & Scholz. Instead he will back Christian Populists in Europe, like Orbán.

    PEACE 😇

  42. Pixo says:
    @QCIC
    @Pixo

    This radar speaks to the main point about the new missiles is the combination of speed and maneuvering. The big deal is that the missile maneuvers (probably unpredictably) during flight making an intercept difficult since the incoming missile is not at the intercept point in space when the interceptor arrives at that point and the interceptor may not have enough maneuverability or kinetic energy to account for this. As the grouchy radar accidentally implied, I think the Iskander had this ability as well. Not stated if the Patriot has any success shooting down Iskander missiles.

    At the beginning of the SMO, small disposable electronic warfare jammers/decoys were found on the ground in Ukraine and shown online. These were reportedly from an Iskander missile. This is possibly the precursor of the Kinzhal which may have the same feature. On the other hand, if these missiles were invulnerable then the jammers would not be required.

    The other day, Macgregor made a point that was on my mind. The US Pershing II missile was a maneuverable hypersonic nuclear weapon which many believe led to the INF treaty.

    Replies: @Pixo

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    Missile defense systems can be overwhelmed or fooled and it only takes one missile leaking through to destroy a system. To do a reasonable job you need a lot of defensive missile systems such as Russia employs with multiple levels (short-medium-long range).

    I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.

  43. Pixo says:
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    There's so much to discuss about what's happening in the wider world right now, but so much chaos and danger too, with everyone seeming to treat so many issues with raw emotion, a lack of seriousness or carelessness, and without getting into the depth of some very complex issues. I was going to post a video about the "Great Refusal" as resistance to the "Great Reset" but sadly lost the link (might come back with that later). Still, understanding things like the horrors of wireless tracking of one's physical health indicators like "the internet of bodies" is an obligatory must. For those interested with who knows what sort of bio-mechanical control mechanisms are coming ...

    https://www.rand.org/multimedia/video/2020/10/29/what-is-the-internet-of-bodies.html

    https://www.rand.org/blog/articles/2020/10/the-internet-of-bodies-will-change-everything-for-better-or-worse.html

    Otherwise, Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with "collective Jewry", "Global Judaism" or "international Jewry" (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now ... Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros (it also seems unclear whether George Soros is actually dead or not, probably his son Alexander has inherited most of his functions due to George's old age by now anyway) ... Hopefully Musk doesn't end up like poor Kanye did ...

    It's a shame I can't just change this handle on Unz, but then sticking with a new one seems impossible to do due to some reason, so hopefully this comment gets through at all.

    Nevertheless, maybe this should be another comment, but since Karlin was kind enough to grace his former commenters in the previous thread, I'll just state that Karlin's predictions about war and military outcomes, particularly the current Ukraine War unfolding, aren't worth much (no offence intended) since his fundamental assumption that "Political Economy" (Karlin himself seemed to acknowledge that he doesn't know any method beyond Political Economy for predicting war outcomes in a tweet of his) is the single most important variable in deciding the outcome of modern wars is seriously flawed. That's why Karlin got the Taliban victory completely wrong. Political economy is also completely wrong for explaining outcome of Vietnam War.

    Political economy is even wrong in explaining the success of Karlin's beloved Tsarist Russia in WW1 with the military success (tactical and operational) of the 1916 Brusilov Offensive actually occurring against many indicators of political economy variables that Karlin espouses, like artillery ammunition production, and so on. To further explain with this example, Brusilov's Offensive was actually much more successful than the simultaneous offensive of Brusilov's fellow general to his North, Evert, to whom much more manpower and shells were allocated, but he barely made any breakthroughs, with a lot of Russian manpower and artillery ammunition being wasted through bad tactical and operational approaches. Brusilov's Offensive in contrast achieved its gains through the skilled exploitation of surprise, creeping/stealthy encroachment on enemy positions (night movement and underground trench digging/frontline encroachment), with the judicious use of artillery ammunition in rapid bursts to surprise and precisely eliminate only the most important enemy targets. Any further debates about WW1 military history and how they go against Karlin's much hyped value of political economy should probably cite historical sources and academic/intellectual works.

    But since I'm critiquing Karlin's assumptions of the importance of Political Economy, it's only fair to offer a suggestion of what actually does explain military/wartime outcomes. That is, what some call "Force Employment" or perhaps more simply "Military skill" in any tactical, operational and/or strategic context.

    This article explains a lot of what we've seen and probably will be seeing more of in Ukraine:

    https://warontherocks.com/2022/11/ukraine-and-the-future-of-offensive-maneuver/

    Military Power: Explaining Victory and Defeat in Modern Battle - Stephen Biddle. (This book is for a longer explanation of "Force Employment" or how military skill works with even mathematical formulas and historical examples from WW1 onwards used).

    Biddle explains that the most basic problem of modern land warfare for attackers is the problem of offensive breakthrough. Meaning that attackers struggle to not only breakthrough an enemy defensive fortification or position (bypassing it isn't always so simple, but possibility to avoid enemy fortifications and even heavy weapon receiving end explains why advanced technology is no "wunderwaffen"/miracle weapon in modern war), but to even maneuver to reach it to begin with in many cases. This inherently makes modern war conducive to stalemate. The value of politics, morale, weather, terrain, climate, quality of defensive fortifications and etc. should also be rated more than only political economy, or rather, it's not that political economy is irrelevant, just that wars are a complex combination of both the former and the latter, and in many cases former variables can be more important than political economy.

    "Military skill" can be a flimsy thing that needs to be carefully defined, but most anyone should intuitively know what it means, if none of this makes any sense to the uninformed.

    Replies: @A123, @Pixo

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    • Thanks: Resist Covid Slavery
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Pixo

    Elon Musk's latest baby mama: 5/10. Would not bang

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I'm thinking about a serious theory to the effect that IVF creates people who are missing something which normally develops at the time of conception and early growth in the mother. I am interested in background material on the IVF topic such as how many people, how many miscarriages, how do they turn out, etc. If anyone here was born as the result of IVF it would be neat to read about any unique experiences they have in this regard.

    I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.

    I don't know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn't surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.

    Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity's best hope. Now, not so much.

    , @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers :(

    "Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"

    Replies: @Pixo

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Pixo


    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

     

    Thanks.

    Perhaps the whole conflict of Elon Musk vs "the Jews" is fake and there's behind the scenes harmony, with some theatre for the masses. Or perhaps Greenblatt is just a hothead who can't restrain himself, so he overreached and overplayed his hand.

    Anyway, I'm reading the book "Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future" by Ashlee Vance.

    It's interesting in many different ways about Elon Musk's life biography from his earliest years until about 2015/16. Being halfway through the book it's already obvious Greenblatt doesn't have any explicit and clear proof of Musk's "anti-Semitism" since Musk even had a Jewish CEO as a business partner in Tesla, and had some Jewish employees over the years with which he worked just fine and conducted business as with any other non-Jewish persons.

    Otherwise, my feeling is that Musk's heart and soul is in the right place and his intentions are good, but his life record has a lot of suffering and difficult moments in it (Musk got beaten and bullied hard as a youngster, nearly died from a tropical disease once, miscarriages with former partners, daddy issues, etc.), and particularly with wild swings of business fortunes with ugly spats with former business partners and employees, big losses of income on various companies, hard work on entirely new businesses from scratch and so on. Perhaps everyone should make what they will of him and the differing testimonies about his character and pivotal moments of Musk's life and businesses.

  44. QCIC says:
    @John Johnson
    Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Sean

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the “opportunity” to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia’s starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin’s team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC


    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.
     
    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    Replies: @QCIC

  45. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon Musk’s latest baby mama: 5/10. Would not bang

  46. One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks.

    They don't seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    In other words, AnoninTN will believe anything.

  47. QCIC says:
    @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I’m thinking about a serious theory to the effect that IVF creates people who are missing something which normally develops at the time of conception and early growth in the mother. I am interested in background material on the IVF topic such as how many people, how many miscarriages, how do they turn out, etc. If anyone here was born as the result of IVF it would be neat to read about any unique experiences they have in this regard.

    I suppose IVF created a religious furor when it was first announced but I never read about it.

    I don’t know what the missing factors might be, but if more of these people turned into psychopaths it wouldn’t surprise me. Someday I may write a story about it. Of course they might be different in more positive ways.

    Before considering this concern I thought embryo selection might be humanity’s best hope. Now, not so much.

  48. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    They could still take their toys and retreat.
     
    They really can't. In America, this is seen as a war for LGBT/liberal democracy. And it is.

    A Russian victory would be the end of the post WW2 liberal international order. No liberal international order, no LGBT (LGBT itself isn't that big a deal but it has enormous symbolic/"religious" value). If Ukraine falls, everyone will know that Taiwan is only a matter of time. That would mean that the entire world would remilitarize and globalization would reverse to a substantial degree. Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN

    Everything that liberals love would be gone.

    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    If that happens my humble suggestion would be to go back to the pre-Enlightenment...

    ...the time when AP's ancestors (as he proudly tells us) were already fighting Russia in the name of Greek-Catholicism. Or was it Catholic-Orthodoxy? one never knows with these invented religions...

  49. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    And yet despite the .com debacle, here we are in the nascent IOT world where we no longer imagine our existence without the web.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or “Millennium Bug”. Don’t you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn’t taken any measures.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    You're right, I have completely forgotten about it. I found the whole idea goofy at the time. Just like the Mayan calendar thing. Silly stuff.

    , @Dmitry
    @Mikel

    If you know machine learning, you might find it less exciting, although there is a still unknown question if the animals' brains are also "less exciting" and perhaps implementing similar networks. Some of the pertubation learning could be similar to some of the learning in nature.

    The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like "terminator science", "golem engineering".

    Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. "RMSProp".

    But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is "Adaptive Moment Estimation".

    Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, "Adam". Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcM_DdqiLSE

    -

    By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.

  50. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    The end result may involve the dollar world order and globalism.
     
    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer. The empire irreversibly undermined the trust in the USD and current US-dominated global financial institutions by weaponizing the dollar with “sanctions” and direct theft of assets. The theft of Russian assets had the largest scale, but it was preceded by equally criminal theft of the assets of Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Afghanistan, etc. The “sanctions” stimulated many countries to switch their trade to other currencies, which they would never do without insane US policies.

    Like I said before, if the world survives, it is going to be a lot better place, without imperial banditry (called “rules-based order” by the bandits). The danger is that the psychopaths ruling the empire today might start WWIII, destroying the world we know along with imperial domination. Then Einstein’s prophecy will come true: WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.

    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

  51. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    The dollar domination along with dollar-dependent globalism is crumbling. The process is accelerating, and there is nothing the empire can do about it any longer.
     
    Bit of crumbling upwards lately;)


    https://i.postimg.cc/T3q2B7BP/dollar-use.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Bit of crumbling upwards lately

    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

  52. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    In case you haven’t noticed timescales/percentages on the graph – both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline
     
    From predator’s point of view, the best thing about an ostrich is that it hides the head in the sand and does not see the predator coming. Apparently, Ted Cruz turned out to be smarter than an ostrich. Which likely puts him in the smartest dozen in the US senate.
  53. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...I don’t believe Russia will accept a resolution that leaves them vulnerable to another round of this in a few years or accusations of being weak at home.
     
    I agree, it makes it existential for Russia. The West chose to pretend that it is also existential for them. Kiev is just along for the ride and to provide warm bodies.

    Russia put a lot of thought and planning into deciding to go for the war. They were patient for the previous 8 years, finally they were either ready or something snapped. There are fools dreaming of an easy victory over Russia - here too - but the escalation ladder is in Russia's favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do. If they want to do it, that was something they had to consider.

    The Nazi issue in Ukraine is real, but if there is a decision to go for peace, they would be handled. It is mulatto does his work, mulatto can go home situation. The leaders are controlled - the rank-and-file would be disposed of. You don't really think that a few ten thousands angry men with tattoos and weird ideas will decide mankind's future?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke, @Mikel

    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.

    I don’t know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia’s nuclear threat remains though, if that’s what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    , @A123
    @Mikel


    the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    The idea that there is a committed coalition supporting Kiev aggression is delusional.

    We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon's presidential hopes.

    Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a "war economy" in support of Zelensky's violence?

    PEACE 😇
  54. Wonder if Japanese is the language with the most double-entendres. That is what it seems like to me, reading their humor.

  55. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
    @songbird

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you're going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.
     
    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    Replies: @songbird

  56. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    In case you haven't noticed timescales/percentages on the graph - both euro/dollar together had and still has the same stable roughly 70% share of all international trade for more than decade, just were fluctuating trade share percentages between themselves meantime. Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline;)

    Replies: @songbird, @AnonfromTN

    Still no any unusual moves happening despite all the hot air being pushed about dramatic Western financial decline

    From predator’s point of view, the best thing about an ostrich is that it hides the head in the sand and does not see the predator coming. Apparently, Ted Cruz turned out to be smarter than an ostrich. Which likely puts him in the smartest dozen in the US senate.

  57. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    Everything that liberals love would be gone.
     
    Wow! That would be a huge victory for mankind.

    Replies: @Beckow

    If that happens my humble suggestion would be to go back to the pre-Enlightenment…

    …the time when AP’s ancestors (as he proudly tells us) were already fighting Russia in the name of Greek-Catholicism. Or was it Catholic-Orthodoxy? one never knows with these invented religions…

  58. The full replay from Laguna Seca is now up.

    PEACE 😇

  59. @Beckow
    @A123

    Don't underestimate how easy it would be to end the war quickly. Trump is familiar with ir and doesn't suffer from the neo-con anti-Russian hysteria - uniquely among the Western politicians. To end the war, Kiev has to accept only two realities:
    - there will not be Nato in Ukraine
    - the Russians in Ukraine will have normal human rights, schools, language, etc...

    Whether it means that Ukraine loses 5% or 25% of its territory depends on how long the war goes on and whether Russia goes for all the marbles or decides to settle for a Minsk-plus compromise.

    The Biden-UK war option - sorry, I don't know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain - is to fight to victory: on to Moscow!!! Or Crimea. It is not going to work, they will only waste human lives and resources.

    If Trump calls Zelko and tell him to settle on the above terms, Kiev will have to do it. That's why the neocons will move mountains to prevent Trump becoming President. Or Trump betrays and quietly promises a crazy escalation against Russia - I don't know, he is sometimes very weak and hard to understand, the "Bolton" thing, etc...

    Replies: @A123, @Joe Paluka

    “The Biden-UK war option – sorry, I don’t know the name of the current Indian ruler of Britain”

    His name is that Paki.

  60. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you’re going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Joe Paluka

    I do that sometimes. You can also freeze whole loaves and put them in the oven, though it is a bit trickier.

  61. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.

    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters – it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army…all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke. I don’t think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? – it has all been done. That’s the problem with overdoing desperate ‘soft power’ measures – it leaves no credible threats.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails
     
    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

     

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke
     
    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    That is not the way it works
     
    That's the way it's been working. As AK said when he predicted the imminent invasion, "troops don't lie". Those troops hadn't been amassed around Ukraine for routine exercises. Likewise, those same troops haven't stopped retreating after their initial gains due to "gestures of good will" or "regroupings for the next phase". Their direction of march shows who has the better logistics, tactics and weapons.

    In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine's western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can't possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.
    , @Sean
    @Beckow


    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value
     
    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China's undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child's play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.
     
    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery's mass effect--rather than precision weapons-- might prove to be the crucial factor.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  62. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Like you will try to make a sandwich and wonder how your bread got moldy so fast, and then realize the wrapping broke on the other side.

    You will go direct to your home from the supermarket, and find that just in turning corners the bag of chips in your trunk split open.

    If you have a pick-up truck, you will find that the thin cardboard that Heineken comes in will dissolve in a light rainstorm.

    Replies: @Joe Paluka, @AnonfromTN

    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.

    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don’t know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I've said this before, but I don't think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  63. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Yep, this would be comparable to China trying to conquer and outright annex all of Vietnam and engage in cultural genocide there, aiming to turn the Vietnamese into Chinamen. In such a case, the Vietnamese are likely to ferociously resist the Chinese. Also assume that the Vietnamese get extremely massive amounts of Western military assistance in such a scenario and that the China:Vietnam population disparity is 5:1 rather than 14:1.

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.
     
    What Ukraine? Are the Russians in Ukraine also "Ukraine"? Is Crimea or Donbas?

    You use over-the-top rhetoric to cover up the real issue. It is always done in wars, you should do better.

    The reality is that two separate 'nations' are fighting for their existence: Ukie Ukies and the Donbas Ukies assisted now by the Russians from Russia. The Ukie Ukies can easily retreat from Donbas - they don't live there. But where would the millions of Russians living there go? Killed or expelled? Or only totally suppressed and forcefully Ukrainized?

    The real analogy to this war is something like Netherlands' Belgium in 1830 - the Dutch suppressed the Catholic French-speakers and France came to help its co-patriots and created Belgium. Or creation of Italy and Germany. Or WW1 aftermath when a number of minorities were allowed self-determination. In 2023 it is a bit late for this ethnic mess, that's why it feels so odd and is easily manipulated - you do it too.

    It is about equal rights and equal security for all sides - just because you stick "Russian!" in front of a universal term doesn't mean that the basic human rights no longer exist. Think about it a little and stop with sloganeering. If for no other reason, because you are likely to lose this fight and will grudgingly admit that "Russian are people too". Why wait until then to be reasonable?

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    That you have to say it sorta speaks to the lies.

    That Azov Bat call themselves that name…

  64. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it’s risky and shouldn’t be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Bill P

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    Replies: @Bill P

    , @QCIC
    @Bill P

    Thanks.

    I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  65. @sudden death
    According to Strelkov's current musings, it is insider Kremlin situational coalition, consisting of First Deputy Chief of Staff of the Presidential Administration of Russia Kirienko, who is "waging war" (together with putinist oligarch banker Kovalchuk and Prigozhin) against Shoigu now.

    https://t.me/m0sc0wcalling/24083

    Judging strictly from ethnic angle those first three all have one Jewish parent (Kirienko, Prigo father side, Kovalchuk's mother was Jewish), so it's putinist Jews infighting with half-asian Shoigu with a Tuvan father and probably Jewish mother IIRC

    Judging from political angle those are two Yeltsin era politicians infighting in Kremlin - former Yeltsin short term prime minister clashing with former long term Yeltsin minister Shoigu, but together with two St. Petersburg era putinist "Ozero" political-criminal gang members.


    Sergei Kiriyenko's grandfather, Yakov Israitel, made his name as a devoted communist and member of the Cheka and Vladimir Lenin awarded him with an inscribed pistol for his good service to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Sergei Kiriyenko, son of a Jewish father was born in Sukhumi, the capital of the Abkhaz ASSR, and grew up in Sochi, in southern Russia. He adopted the Ukrainian surname of his mother.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kiriyenko

    In February 1991, Kovalchuk became vice president of the Association of Joint Ventures of St. Petersburg (ASP). Vladimir Putin, the chairman of the committee on external relations, supervised the association from the city government side. The cooperation grew into a strong friendship, and in 1996 they established a notorious dacha cooperative “Ozero” near Priozersk. Later, all its members became billionaires or high-ranking officials.

    In the same 1991, Kovalchuk took part in the re-establishment of the Rossiya Bank, organized in 1990 to service the regional committee of the Communist Party and the KGB. The bank’s activities were suspended after the 1991 August coup but soon the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak instructed Putin to create a foundation based on the bank for stabilizing the economy of St. Petersburg and the region. In December 1991, Putin sold the bank shares to members of the ASP, including Kovalchuk. In December 1992, Kovalchuk became Deputy Chairman of the Board of Directors of the bank. Soon, the city administration began using the bank for its foreign economic operations.

    https://www.spisok-putina.org/en/personas/kovalchuk-5/
     

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mr. XYZ

    I doubt that Shoigu’s mother was Jewish since she apparently survived the German occupation in Ukraine during WWII, which was almost impossible for a Jewish person or even a half-Jewish person to do:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Shoigu

  66. @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Yep, this would be comparable to China trying to conquer and outright annex all of Vietnam and engage in cultural genocide there, aiming to turn the Vietnamese into Chinamen. In such a case, the Vietnamese are likely to ferociously resist the Chinese. Also assume that the Vietnamese get extremely massive amounts of Western military assistance in such a scenario and that the China:Vietnam population disparity is 5:1 rather than 14:1.

  67. Sean says:
    @John Johnson
    Watch these Russians continue to fight with small arms even as a tank shows up:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvCGkJn_lg

    How does that make any sense?

    These Russian conscripts are not being trained properly and are being left unsupported in shallow trenches.

    In the zoomed shot you can see that their trenches are vastly inferior to what the Germans had in 1916.

    They are basically ditches with trash in them.

    MacGregor still thinks the Russians have been laying a trap for Ukraine with Bakhmut.

    I really doubt that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Sean

    How does that make any sense?

    To a WEIRD WEIRD West-ener it doesn’t, but it is a different culture, some might say a more primitive one.

    Those Russians didn’t need any kind of training to know they were inevitably going to die going up against a tank plus superior numbers of supporting infantry –and not even in Russia proper–yet they did not quit. And those were merely part of a thin screen of satellite forces out on front the beetling battlements of continuous line that gets more dense and the deeper you go. If those grimily determined (and grimy) fellows were just ‘conscripts’, they had a remarkable fighting spirit.

    Pinned Tweet
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    Mike
    @KofmanMichael
    and I wrote about the upcoming Ukrainian offensive and what comes afterwards. Although Ukraine will likely make gains, this offensive is unlikely to end the war. Western countries need a plan for supporting Ukraine for a long war.

    Endless if the above small unit action is anything to go b.y

    Tatarigami_UA
    @Tatarigami_UA
    I had discussions with several officers in Bakhmut and its surrounding area today, and it is disheartening to note that the situation remains very challenging in the city itself. The problem stems from the fact that the russian forces maintain a significant advantage in terms of artillery and mortars numbers.

    Regardless of the training, experience and preparation of our soldiers, if positions are reduced to rubble by non-stop shelling, we will be unable to hold them.

    I agree the (seventy-something) Macgregor has been less than prescient about Russian capabilities and the utility of armored mobile large formation warfare. The most likely explanation for Bakhmut is not that one side is clever and the other is idiotic, but rather that both sides somewhat stupidly decided to go toe to toe irrespective of the consequences.

  68. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk’s father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Resist Covid Slavery
    @Mr. XYZ

    Can't be bothered to go find that Tweet (might go and do it sometime), but Elon's father basically has the same/similar worldview as Alex Jones (not sure if he's a follower or not) lol.

  69. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @Beckow


    the escalation ladder is in Russia’s favor: they can match and outlast anything Nato and Kiev do.
     
    I don't know what you have in mind here but the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional. It may be the core mistake of the SMO. Even though Russia can only produce a small fraction of the goods that these countries produce, and generally of a worse quality, somehow the idea that Russia was militarily stronger than the West (because of the USSR legacy or something) took hold and Putin bet the house on it. The results are clear and surprised even Western military analysts.

    Russia's nuclear threat remains though, if that's what you mean. As long as Western countries continue competing with each other to see who supplies more and better gasoline to the pyromaniac in Kiev who has repeatedly proven his desire to start WW3, that threat can only increase over time.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    the idea that Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.

    The idea that there is a committed coalition supporting Kiev aggression is delusional.

    We know America is going to scale back, possibly exit. Once that happens, the attempt to brutalize Russian ethnics becomes more tenuous than DeNeocon’s presidential hopes.

    Will Scholz and Macron will commit to a “war economy” in support of Zelensky’s violence?

    PEACE 😇

  70. QCIC says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven’t done this yet because they don’t want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don’t need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.
     
    All wars are generally stupid, but this one takes the cake: the level of destruction, escalation risks, and very high casualties are way out of line with the issues this war is fought about: Nato expansion and Russian minority rights.

    They twist it into an 'existential, civilizational' war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical "Asiats are coming!!!' racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.

    But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.
  71. @AnonfromTN
    One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Thanks.

    They don’t seem to be taking many AFU prisoners, either. Is tough fighting, everybody dies.

  72. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    • Replies: @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we've rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    Replies: @Pixo

  73. A123 says: • Website

    Nike being IslamoGloboHomo is understandable. It is a brand that hates Christians.

    The fiasco from Bud Light is obvious. Can marketing get worse? Yep. Ford has gone full IslamoGloboHomo: (1)

    Ford Motor Company has found itself ensnared in a potential controversy after Twitter users highlighted an ad that features a rainbow colored vehicle as part of a campaign called ‘redefining tough’.

      

    The end of the commercial shows the words ‘REDIFINING TOUGH’ as the ‘TOUGH’ part of the text also flashes with LGBT colors.

    Apparently, the colors of a movement that seeks to normalize the sexual mutilation of children is now considered “tough” by Ford.

    Although the commercial was actually produced by the European division of Ford and is over 10 months old, the clip only just caught the attention of Twitter users and has over a million views on the platform.

    How many truck buyers are Muslim or gay? Yes. It is obviously an EU deviant ad. The license plate gives it away. But, why would American HQ approve this?

    I am in the market for a truck… And 100% sure… I will not buy a gay Ford.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truck

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAFKqkifqBM

  74. @Mikel
    @songbird

    I don't know much about this subject but Michio Kaku and others think that the real digital revolution to watch out for is quantum computing. He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it. Sounds more credible than the current media alarmism about an impending AI threat. Deep fake technology does seem to pose some challenges but we'll survive them, obviously.

    Replies: @songbird, @YetAnotherAnon

    “He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it.”

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037

    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.

    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.

    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The answer to your question does not fit into internet bulletin board text boxes and no, Chat GPT can't tell you either. You need to read books.

    Begin with this one:

    https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565

    Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.

  75. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC, and possibly autism as a result of that. I think it's risky and shouldn't be used unless necessary.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597925/

    Replies: @Pixo, @QCIC

    Thanks.

    I wasn’t even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  76. The world is big. From outside of the imperial patch:
    The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
    A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
    China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
    (Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the "Valeriepieris circle", which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYFo9QpVsAAw99y.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcqq8eAufXk

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  77. @AnonfromTN
    One of the sources (wartears.org) of info regarding Ukrainian losses from Feb 22, 2022 to May 18, 2023, and current size of the military:

    KIA – 264,432
    POW – 11,175
    Current personnel – 407,169

    The real numbers cannot possibly be this precise. The site claims that the numbers were generated by their model.

    The number of POWs roughly matches info from other sources. Note that Russian military no longer takes foreign fighters prisoner, so this is the number of Ukrainian soldiers only.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    In other words, AnoninTN will believe anything.

  78. @A123
    Nike being IslamoGloboHomo is understandable. It is a brand that hates Christians.

    The fiasco from Bud Light is obvious. Can marketing get worse? Yep. Ford has gone full IslamoGloboHomo: (1)


    Ford Motor Company has found itself ensnared in a potential controversy after Twitter users highlighted an ad that features a rainbow colored vehicle as part of a campaign called ‘redefining tough’.

     
    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2023-05-18_09-59-19.jpg?itok=eaMZKU3i
     

    The end of the commercial shows the words ‘REDIFINING TOUGH’ as the ‘TOUGH’ part of the text also flashes with LGBT colors.

    Apparently, the colors of a movement that seeks to normalize the sexual mutilation of children is now considered “tough” by Ford.

    Although the commercial was actually produced by the European division of Ford and is over 10 months old, the clip only just caught the attention of Twitter users and has over a million views on the platform.
     

    How many truck buyers are Muslim or gay? Yes. It is obviously an EU deviant ad. The license plate gives it away. But, why would American HQ approve this?

    I am in the market for a truck... And 100% sure... I will not buy a gay Ford.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fords-redefining-tough-commercial-features-lgbt-colored-truck

    Replies: @Sean

  79. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails

    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke

    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    Replies: @AP

  80. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    That is not the way it works

    That’s the way it’s been working. As AK said when he predicted the imminent invasion, “troops don’t lie”. Those troops hadn’t been amassed around Ukraine for routine exercises. Likewise, those same troops haven’t stopped retreating after their initial gains due to “gestures of good will” or “regroupings for the next phase”. Their direction of march shows who has the better logistics, tactics and weapons.

    In fact, now that the war is limited to the east of the country, the Ukrainians are in a better position to disrupt Russian supply lines than the Russians are to disrupt the huge flow of weapons and supplies of all sorts that come through Ukraine’s western borders. Russia will always have a (potential) manpower advantage over Ukraine but it can’t possibly compete with the coalition of US+EU+UK+Australia+Canada+Japan+others in terms of weapons, ammunition and materiel. Forget about that.

  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mikel

    "He thinks that we may be about a decade away from it."

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/why-did-overdoses-soar-the-month-after-covid-stimulus-checks/#comment-5916037


    But… last time I looked quantum computing, which promises to do things people can’t do, like crack RSA crypto keys – was like nuclear fusion power – always {current date + five years} away.

    So what’s this?
     
    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/d-wave-reports-fourth-quarter-110000205.html

    BURNABY, British Columbia & PALO ALTO, Calif., April 14, 2023–(BUSINESS WIRE)–D-Wave Quantum Inc., (NYSE: QBTS) (“D-Wave” or the “Company”) a leader in quantum computing systems, software, and services, and the only commercial provider building both annealing and gate-model quantum computers, today announced financial results for its fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31, 2022.

    “We believe our fourth quarter and 2022 year-end results reflect a clear signal: companies are rapidly embracing today’s quantum technology solutions to drive competitive advantage, now. In this complex economic environment, business leaders are actively looking for ways to improve operational efficiencies, reduce costs, fuel innovation, and increase revenue. We believe that near-term quantum and quantum-hybrid applications are critical for navigating this complexity by helping solve businesses’ most difficult computational problems. Our revenue metrics reflect increasing quantum adoption, which accelerated growth of our business and drove a 41% increase in Q3 to Q4 sequential revenue growth,” said Dr. Alan Baratz, CEO of D-Wave.

    “Sixty-seven commercial customers used D-Wave solutions in 2022, and we now count more than two dozen of the Forbes Global 2000 as customers, as an increasing number of companies turn to quantum computing to solve complex business problems ranging from customer loyalty to supply chain logistics to e-commerce optimization. Beyond our continued commercial traction, we’re driving ongoing innovation and advancement of our product portfolio, most recently introducing new offerings that help customers harness quantum to accelerate artificial intelligence and machine learning efforts.
     
    https://docs.dwavesys.com/docs/latest/c_gs_1.html

    Still a relatively young field, quantum computing is complex and different approaches are being pursued around the world. Today, there are two leading candidate architectures for quantum computers: gate model (also known as circuit model) and quantum annealing.

    Gate-model quantum computing implements compute algorithms with quantum gates, analogously to the use of Boolean gates in classical computers.

    With quantum annealers you initialize the system in a low-energy state and gradually introduce the parameters of a problem you wish to solve. The slow change makes it likely that the system ends in a low-energy state of the problem, which corresponds to an optimal solution. This technique is explained in more detail in the What is Quantum Annealing? chapter.

    Quantum annealing is implemented in D-Wave’s generally available quantum computers, such as the Advantage™ and D-Wave 2000Q, as a single quantum algorithm, and this scalable approach to quantum computing has enabled us to create quantum processing units (QPUs) with more than 5000 quantum bits (qubits)—far beyond the state of the art for gate-model quantum computing.

    D-Wave has been developing various generations of our “machine of a different kind,” to use Feynman’s words, since 1999. We are the world’s first commercial quantum computer company.
     
    Lots of clever people here – what does it solve that a standard CPU can’t?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The answer to your question does not fit into internet bulletin board text boxes and no, Chat GPT can’t tell you either. You need to read books.

    Begin with this one:

    Perhaps you can find it on libgen. It was there when I looked.

  82. @QCIC
    @Bill P

    Thanks.

    I wasn't even considering chemical or mechanical insults to the fertilized egg during the complete IVF-embryo selection process. Maybe/hopefully these are a minor issue.

    I was alluding to possible bio-electromagnetic factors or some form of quantum entanglement between egg and mother yet to be appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell’s demon would like to have a word with them.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That's the smart way to move forward as a species.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  83. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    “ IVF runs an elevated risk of mosaicism IIRC”

    Very hard to study since IVF babies still almost always have older parents with fertility issues.

    Good luck studying ones done for eugenic purposes with women without fertility issues like Musk did.

    Our especially complex brain and long gestation likely mean an animal study wouldn’t be too helpful unless it was huge and involved higher primates. Way too expensive.

    Replies: @Bill P

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we’ve rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of “known unknowns” strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings’ lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there’s a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

  84. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers 🙁

    “Just take Mars and get out of my sight!”

    • LOL: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

  85. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Russia can outspend and outproduce the coalition of 20+ advanced economies that are supporting Ukraine is delusional.
     
    That is not the way it works, and not what I meant. Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value.

    What I meant is that we have a war between two countries limited to their region, so far. Russia is 4-5 times stronger in terms of manpower, logistics and weapons then Ukraine. Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground - in that region - and having local superiority eventually prevails. US had superior weapons to Vietnamese - and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Location matters - it is basically in Russia or on its border. As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat - they could flatten Kiev or Lviv, they could blow up the dams on Dnieper, they can bleed the Ukie army...all of that before any idea of a nuke would be considered.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia - they could use a tactical nuke. I don't think they will, but if the crazy pyromaniacs in Kiev go too far, what exactly would keep Russia from blasting them into hot steam? Bad press? Vote in UN? Banning their athletes? - it has all been done. That's the problem with overdoing desperate 'soft power' measures - it leaves no credible threats.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC, @AP, @Mikel, @Sean

    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value

    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China’s undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child’s play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.

    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery’s mass effect–rather than precision weapons– might prove to be the crucial factor.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Chinese would not have to do much to have the US shut down the material flow into Ukraine.

  86. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    I’ve been surprised the past decade at how much better missile defense has become in Israel, Syria, and Ukraine.

    Can Israel still hit Iran? NK hit Japan? Taiwan hit Chinese cities, capital ships, and ports? Do India and Pakistan have second-strike capabilities still if their opponent has a 75% missile defense rate?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Missile defense systems can be overwhelmed or fooled and it only takes one missile leaking through to destroy a system. To do a reasonable job you need a lot of defensive missile systems such as Russia employs with multiple levels (short-medium-long range).

    I think Israel does this as well. I assume they largely copied from Russia and added a few Western upgrades.

  87. @Joe Paluka
    @songbird

    If you want your bread to keep, freeze it and depending on the bread, take only as much as you're going to use and put it in the toaster to unfreeze it.

    Replies: @songbird

    I do that sometimes. You can also freeze whole loaves and put them in the oven, though it is a bit trickier.

  88. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can’t seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don’t go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    Replies: @songbird

  89. @AP
    @Beckow


    Nato can feed endless advanced weapons to Ukraine, but in a war being on the ground – in that region – and having local superiority eventually prevails
     
    That must be why Poland defeated the Soviets in 1920.

    As we see with the increased bombing, Russia can turn up the heat – they could flatten Kiev or Lviv

     

    Their latest attempts at bombing Kiev failed miserably. A component of Patriot got hit by some debris, so did some cars and buildings, they haven’t dared to try again. And arrested the developers of their failed wonder weapons.

    At the end, that is clearly an option for Russia – they could use a tactical nuke
     
    Could also be taken out, if tried against a high value defended target like Kiev. And wouldn’t make a military difference in the field.

    And I would not discount ability for a bad asymmetrical response. Ukraine has plenty of nuclear material and scientists. That would be a dangerous game.

    Replies: @Sean

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

  90. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    Am only exaggerating slightly when I say that inflation has turned about 90% of the packaging in the US to crap.
     
    Inflation is one ailment of the US. The absence of many goods and services is another problem. Just some examples from my recent experience.

    One. I used to buy Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee via Amazon. For the last 6-8 weeks Amazon site says (I copy-paste): “Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock”. When I search the web with “Jardin Medellin Colombian instant coffee”, I get lots of hits. Following several of them I discovered that there are numerous varieties of this coffee, but when I click on the image of the one I know, all sites ask me which supermarket chain I want to use and give a list of several Russian supermarket chains. As Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked the trade with Russia, this means that I cannot get it.

    Two. I searched online money transfer services and found that most of them refuse to work with the US citizens and residents (send me to Hell based on my IP address).

    Three. Trying to order elementary things for the lab I repeatedly find that they are backordered for months, sometimes indefinitely. Exactly as in the dying USSR in the 1990-91.

    Four. The roads (including highways) are full of potholes that are not fixed for months. Thank goodness I learned to drive in the last year of the USSR, so I have the skills necessary to drive on roads like that. The roads I drove in Russia in the last five years were in a lot better shape.

    Five. I never saw in the US (or anywhere else, for that matter) a city as clean as Moscow. Downtowns of many Russian provincial cities are just as clean.

    Inevitable question: who is isolated and what economy is in tatters?

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve said this before, but I don’t think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can’t be solved by chasing GDP, and I don’t think it is to anyone’s social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    Replies: @AP

  91. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    You’re right, I have completely forgotten about it. I found the whole idea goofy at the time. Just like the Mayan calendar thing. Silly stuff.

  92. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    There was a post by one of these maniacs on LessWrong a couple weeks ago:

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/yT22RcWrxZcXyGjsA/how-to-have-polygenically-screened-children

    Maxwell's demon would like to have a word with them.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That’s the smart way to move forward as a species.

    • Agree: Pixo
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  93. @QCIC
    @Pixo

    I hope he has a good prenup or whatever you need when your baby mama has an AI to outsmart all your overpaid lawyers :(

    "Just take Mars and get out of my sight!"

    Replies: @Pixo

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo


    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.
     
    This isn't always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    Replies: @Pixo

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    The idea that one child should be entitled to a much better quality of life relative to another child due to something that is completely out of both of their control is ridiculous. If this was voluntary, then I could understand, but child support is often involuntary and instead relies on the coercive power of the state to enforce.

    If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don't see how exactly one wouldn't likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.

    , @QCIC
    @Pixo

    You guys are trying to spoil my snark with your logic!

    I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.

    Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.

    +++

    "I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!"

  94. @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Intuitively it makes sense, but of course studies should be undertaken. I get the sense that we've rushed into this stuff with too much haste.

    Pragmatically speaking, these sorts of "known unknowns" strongly suggest we should proceed cautiously, especially because human beings' lives are at stake here.

    Wish the best for Musk and his brood, but there's a whiff of hubris about this kind of manufactured reproduction IMO.

    Replies: @Pixo

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Pixo

    Are clones inferior for a fundamental genetic reason or is it a practical matter of the technology?

    , @Bill P
    @Pixo

    Anecdotally I suspect there is. I'm not claiming any authority here but from the results I've seen autism is suspiciously prevalent for this cohort. Keep in mind that fertility treatment is a very big business here with all the attendant obfuscation of results.

    I'd rather not risk it if it isn't necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.

  95. From Pavel Priannikov’s Tg channel, machine translated with minor corrections.

    Political scientist Gleb Pavlovsky in his book “The System of the Russian Federation. Sources of Russian Strategic Behavior: The George F. Kennan Method, 2015, wrote:
    “Early Putin shared the postmodern dogma that economic power took the place of military power. He laid the financial power of Russia as the basis of national interests and, cutting corners, rushed to it by the shortest path of the “raw material model”. It is imperfect, but for the Kremlin team it was about security, not about economy. Putin can be reproached for something else – the wrong bet he made on the type of globalization. The Russian economy has turned into a financial superbubble fueled by the American-Chinese-European boom. Putin’s project is an ultra-globalist project.

    By nature, Putin is a bourgeois, he is not prone to conflicts. In the 2002 census questionnaire, he wrote about his profession “I provide services to the public.” But after 2014, stability is now out of the question.

    Of course, it was possible to allow a normal democratic conflict in the elections with an uncertain outcome into the System. But for this you need to believe in the good faith of the System, its willingness to change while remaining itself. Its leader, Putin, has no such faith. Putin has absolutely no faith in the civic virtues of Russians. Stalin eradicated the recalcitrant who remembered the Russian Revolution, Brezhnev fought against dissidents, while Putin does not believe in honest behavior at all. He is the biggest skeptic of all the rulers of Russia.”

    Gleb Pavlovsky is often seen as the intellectual father of the RusFed political model. He got estranged from the higher political circles after 2012. He believed tgeb that Putin’s return to power was a mistake. I think we can conclude today that Pavlovsky has been proven right.

    • Agree: AP
  96. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.

    This isn’t always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    • Replies: @Pixo
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  97. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    The idea that one child should be entitled to a much better quality of life relative to another child due to something that is completely out of both of their control is ridiculous. If this was voluntary, then I could understand, but child support is often involuntary and instead relies on the coercive power of the state to enforce.

    If one considers immigration restrictions to be anti-egalitarian, I don’t see how exactly one wouldn’t likewise consider our current child support system to likewise be anti-egalitarian.

  98. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I've said this before, but I don't think the US and some other places should be considered First World countries anymore. We need a new ranking system, which recognizes that it is undesirable to live in a place without easy access to clean public restrooms, etc.

    Some problems can't be solved by chasing GDP, and I don't think it is to anyone's social benefit to create a complacency that the US is the best sort of society that can exist.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  99. @Pixo
    @QCIC

    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support. Only alimony and division of marital assets. The obligation is to the child who cannot waive rights by signing a contract with his father.

    With at least ten kids, Musk’s leverage would be to disinherit the baby out of billions if the baby mama gets greedy and seeks tens of millions in child support. But she can easily take him for tens of millions if she wants to.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC

    You guys are trying to spoil my snark with your logic!

    I assume the kids will be well taken care of, but may become insane anyway.

    Mom got her hypergamy, she should be happy.

    +++

    “I had to go to Mars to get away from all those damn kids!”

  100. @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder what the record is for a Dutch father mating with Hottentots, and whether Musk could be descended from such an individual.

    I thought there was one with a high number, but I can't seem to find him on this list:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_with_the_most_children

    Perhaps, an indication of the lower population density of Hottentots and/or the reduced fertility from outbreeding. Or maybe the records don't go that far back?

    John Dunn had 117, but with Zulus.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  101. @Ivashka the fool
    @Greasy William

    You are being nasty.

    OTOH, I was reading recently about the costs of running AI being so high that today it is far from certain there is profit to be made from it. However, I believe that the Technosphere has an evolutionary logic of its own and cost benefit analysis doesn't cut it in this situation.

    I believe AK is right and AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was 30 something years ago. ChatGPT3+ probably is to future AI what usenet was to today's internet.

    And no, they will probably not be able to limit its evolution/expansion.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that’s not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.

    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was

    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it’s going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/ai-human-extinction-great-filter-b2337487.html

    OTOH:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(novel)

    Perhaps it amounts to the same.

  102. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

    Are clones inferior for a fundamental genetic reason or is it a practical matter of the technology?

  103. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo


    Prenups cannot get a father out of paying child support.
     
    This isn't always the case with assisted reproduction. Look at the Ferguson v. McKiernan case, for instance. But children who are conceived through sexual intercourse are privileged in regards to this, Yes. If one is against hereditary privilege, one should certainly fix this disparity.

    Replies: @Pixo

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Against sperm donors? Yes, in some cases. Not all cases. Hence Ferguson v. McKiernan.

    Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.

    Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.

  104. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    AI is about control not profit or progress.

    The Sorcerer's Apprentice is a great analogy for people doing AI. Thinking (self-consciousness and free will) are the fundamental human characteristics. He who can replicate this on a computer is a demigod and he who controls it is a god, or so they believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    AI is about control

    I’ve thought about this most explicitly, though it’s somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through “approved and fact-checked” channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    I don't think it is possible to police it. People will have to not use the digital tech. Otherwise one is relying on those you know to be lying to you for control and profit.

    In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?

    Yes, I'm a high tech Luddite.

    The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.

  105. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    JJ in your short-guy fever I think you forgot to respond to these key points.

    The USA dropped out of the ABM Treaty in 2002. In the context of MAD, this action was recognized by all parties as a major nuclear THREAT against Russia.

    The expansion of a powerful military alliance (NATO) in the direction of the country specifically targeted by that alliance (Russia) is intrinsically an aggressive act and can even be be interpreted as a warlike move by reasonable people. The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn't matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't want to be fried.

    The West did these things because Russia was weaker than the USSR. Our leaders seized the "opportunity" to finish her off after the fall of the Communists.

    I think you will stay confused by the Ukraine situation until you embrace these facts. People should also consider that Russia's starting of the SMO has much to do with the Russian military machine and general government bureaucracy and probably less to do with Putin's team. These organizations have a cold war legacy which goes back 70 years based on the solid foundation of the WW2 facts and myths. They also have a serious military legacy which goes back hundreds of years. Context matters.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.

    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    Replies: @sudden death

  106. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.

    We’ve always been doing that, haven’t we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    We shouldn't have killed the first mammoth back in the day...

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

  107. @Pixo
    @Bill P

    It is a really important question if there’s an unknown negative aspect to IVF that outweighs the benefit of embryonic genetic screening for a healthy normal fertility couple.

    I think it is unlikely IVF has such negative, but there’s at least some evidence. Clones certainly are inferior to their original.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Bill P

    Anecdotally I suspect there is. I’m not claiming any authority here but from the results I’ve seen autism is suspiciously prevalent for this cohort. Keep in mind that fertility treatment is a very big business here with all the attendant obfuscation of results.

    I’d rather not risk it if it isn’t necessary. Elon has enough money to pay for special care but for most of us a mentally disabled child is a lifelong commitment to amelioration. Also genetic screening is a scam designed to give parents peace of mind when the reality is that we still have very little control over how kids turn out.

  108. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, given the absence of natural selection for fitness genetic characteristics and intelligence, we will need some artificial selection to avoid degeneration. As genomics mature and IVF becomes more efficient and less expensive, I would think the way to go would be to screen for the best genetic combination a reproducing couple could possibly yield. That's the smart way to move forward as a species.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  109. @Pixo
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don’t know about every case, but the obligation to pay child support has been upheld against sperm donors and fathers who were statutory raped by their much older teachers.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Against sperm donors? Yes, in some cases. Not all cases. Hence Ferguson v. McKiernan.

    Against male victims of statutory rape? Yes, unfortunately. Judges are extraordinary assholes in such cases.

    Against a male who was a victim of *non-statutory* rape? Yes, unfortunately; it was some Southern US court case from 1996, IIRC.

  110. QCIC says:
    @Barbarossa
    @QCIC


    AI is about control
     
    I've thought about this most explicitly, though it's somewhat tangential to AI broadly, in regards to deepfakes. Suddenly everything one sees and hears is potentially fake, with no way for people to discern truth from fiction. It seems like the ultimate excuse to demand that we all filter our media through "approved and fact-checked" channels.

    At that point everything in the information ecosystem is quicksand, and in my opinion the only sane alternative is to check out of the greater information stream and focus on what is IRL.

    Out of curiosity, what do others think? As deepfakes become the norm what alternatives does one have to being a perpetual dupe?

    Replies: @QCIC

    I don’t think it is possible to police it. People will have to not use the digital tech. Otherwise one is relying on those you know to be lying to you for control and profit.

    In my view computers have delivered very little of importance that could not have been done by humans without digital supercomputers. There are some exceptions, but the benefits may be small compared to the cost for humanity. Some developments came sooner because of computers, but is it really a race?

    Yes, I’m a high tech Luddite.

    The thing I would miss most is the easy access to information we have had for the past 30 years. I believe much of that could be replaced by properly implemented microfilm libraries.

  111. @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    It's just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience. It makes you wonder what people think the world is for anyway.

    I suppose really that's not hard to answer. Most are just unreflectively along for the ride while others worship progress in any form as the ultimate good.



    AI will be strongly disruptive, more than the internet was
     
    I would guess that you are correct as well but that is one heck of a sobering thought. Or at least it should be to most people. It looks to me that our world is already over-saturated by disruption and is not at all in a good way to absorb more.

    Either way it's going to be a heck of a ride over the next 50 years or so!

    Replies: @Mikel, @Ivashka the fool

  112. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    We shouldn’t have killed the first mammoth back in the day…

  113. QCIC says:
    @sudden death
    @QCIC


    The correct move would have been to leave the Warsaw pact countries neutral as much as possible. In this big picture it doesn’t matter what those countries want or what their traitorous elites signed them up for, it is about a buffer zone. I’m pretty sure the citizens don’t want to be fried.
     
    What is the basis of such naive hippie like belief in wonders of neutrality during nuclear era hot conflict, considering that neutral, non-NATO Austria still was in target and would have been blasted by Soviet army atomic bombs?

    The Austrian capital Vienna was to be hit by two 500-kiloton bombs. In Italy, Vicenza, Verona, Padua, and several military bases were to be hit by single 500-kiloton bombs. Hungary was to capture Vienna.

    Stuttgart, Munich, and Nuremberg in West Germany were to be destroyed by nuclear weapons and then captured by the Czechoslovaks and Hungarians.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Days_to_the_River_Rhine

    Replies: @QCIC

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    The great "westernizer democrat" Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful "safety" delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:


    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”
     
    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  114. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool

    If nothing else, expensive eugenics will give control freak parents yet one more big heavy hammer to beat their children with.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ivashka the fool


    Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent beguiled me, and I ate.”
     
  115. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    The ghettos in the US are probably comparable to upper-tier parts of Latin America, such as Mexico and Brazil. So, not exactly First World, but the best from the Third World. Of course, the US heavily subsidizes its ghettoes, so Yeah.

    Replies: @AP

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.
     
    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  116. @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If managed properly, this approach would allow kids to be smarter than their parents on average. Family dynamics would be funny to watch.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this that you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent beguiled me, and I ate.”

  117. Jean DeVille Idol of Perversity

  118. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev,yet that phase of the conflict is long gone. Nuclear weapons have no military purpose, wars cannot be fought with them, but by the same token a nuclear detonation (even of a thermonuclear mine to defend Mariupol), would terminate American interest in continuing the war. Russia would become isolated but Ukraine would be on its own. Except, America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb.

    Replies: @AP

    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev

    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb

    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And the Kharkiv offensive.
     
    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.
     
    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  119. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, definitely. The digital era is here to stay. But I was referring to the Y2k scare, or "Millennium Bug". Don't you remember? If anything, the hype was even bigger than the current one and people stockpiled supplies for the coming apocalypse, while governments and corporations spent billions in remediation measures. In the end nothing happened, including in sectors that hadn't taken any measures.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Dmitry

    If you know machine learning, you might find it less exciting, although there is a still unknown question if the animals’ brains are also “less exciting” and perhaps implementing similar networks. Some of the pertubation learning could be similar to some of the learning in nature.

    The messianic hypebeasting of the machine learning community is cool and attracts more investors and employees. If it would not begin to scare the investors, they only need to rename the industry like “terminator science”, “golem engineering”.

    Some of the more boring engineers like to give very boring names, i.e. “RMSProp”.

    But for example, one of the extensions to gradient descent optimizer, is “Adaptive Moment Estimation”.

    Durk Kingma in Google called this extension to the optimizer, “Adam”. Probably, the Google engineers were trying to trigger the theological unconscious of Bashibuzuk.

    By the way, the question whether the work of the engineers will change society? Complex engineering like paper, changed society. Printing press, changed society. Windmills, changed society. Engineering and its parents in science, is always the main cause of the change of society for the last centuries.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  120. @AnonfromTN
    The world is big. From outside of the imperial patch:
    The 2022 Arab Youth Survey found that 73% want the US to disengage from the region.
    A plurality blames US/NATO for the war in Ukraine.
    China and Russia are more favorably seen than the West.
    (Polling was conducted by the UAE branch of US PR firm BCW, owned by British giant WPP)
    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1659229007508807692

    Replies: @Dmitry

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the “Valeriepieris circle”, which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry


    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.
     
    That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.

    Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.

    Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.

    Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.

    The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.

    The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.

    Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  121. @Sean
    @Beckow


    Russia and China have spent an order of magnitude less to have militaries that are comparable to the West. If there would be a head-on fight, the money the West has been spending would be of little value
     
    A tempting land war in Asia would be for for China's undercover ally North Korea to attack South Korea while the war in Ukraine was still going on, A naval operation to defend Taiwan would be child's play by comparison,. .

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted.
     
    Russia has not destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper. which likely means it wants Western supplies to cross into western Ukraine. All to better to track the arms, destroy some of them and drag Ukraine into a brutish chest to chest struggle a la Verdun, where simple heavy artillery's mass effect--rather than precision weapons-- might prove to be the crucial factor.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Chinese would not have to do much to have the US shut down the material flow into Ukraine.

  122. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    Will this change if Russia is at serious risk of losing the Battle of Crimea River?

    , @AP
    @Sean

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    Replies: @Sean

  123. https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/05/18/clowns-to-left-of-me-jokers-to-right-nato-soft-war-soldiers/

    Excerpt –

    The truth of the matter is Zelensky and Pope Francis are not NATO’s only dunces; NATO is awash with such imbeciles. America has at the helm the senile Joe Biden, whose penchant is soiling his pants in the presence of Zelensky’s Holy Father (when Irish Joe isn’t otherwise engaged with groping children), and his number two is Kamala Harris, a cretin who cackles like one of those 1950s’ laughing sailor machines brought back to life to further terrify the little children Biden has just groped. France has one of history’s most unpopular ever dictators and Scotland, Britain and Ireland have unelected Indians, all three of whom have less charisma than stale bread and less integrity than even Zelensky, supposedly running the show.

    The Germans, whose leaders couldn’t lead a pet pup to the lavatory, are disproving Churchill’s maxim that “the Hun is always either at your throat or your feet” because they are now permanently prostrated at Americas feet, doing Uncle Sam’s bidding and killing off not only their own economy but all of Europe’s in the process.

    Outside of Hungary’s Orbán, Central and Western Europe seem to be ruled by clowns, knock-off Zelenskys who lack any sense, let alone a sense of humour, a sense of honour or indeed any common sense at all.

    Where are Europe’s Charles de Gaulles. Willi Brandts and Éamon de Valeras and why does Europe send Colgate grinner Ursula von der Leyen, who is little more than a walking ad for Botox, to Beijing, given that China had the measure of that plagiarizing tramp-for-hire and treated her accordingly?

    Imagine you try to blow your brains out and you then blame it on Putin or China’s President Xi? Far-fetched? No! That is precisely what Air France, which is 28% owned by Macron’s corrupt regime, is doing. Having waged an unrelenting economic war against Russia, Air France is complaining that Chinese airlines have a competitive advantage, as they can fly over Russia’s vast expanses and the French cannot. Boo hoo.

  124. The alphabet people are getting kicked out of Libraries in Australia over drag queen story time, maybe the worm is turning.

    Roy was disappointed when he was told he wasn’t a woman.

    He reacted badly to the information!

  125. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Materially, yes. Indeed American ghettos are better materially than typical Soviet residential areas.

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.

    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don’t mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It’s the lower-class blacks that people don’t want to live next to–not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

  126. @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Will this change if Russia is at serious risk of losing the Battle of Crimea River?

  127. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler...
     
    That's easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor...

    Replies: @AP

  128. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I agree with Beckow. Ukrainian backers not from Eastern Europe need to look at a map. This is a border war for Russia. Considering the Black Sea Fleet, Ukraine is basically surrounded on three sides.

    By damaging the Patriot systems Russia is making a point and perhaps gradually preparing to drop serious bomb loads on Ukraine. Russian supplies of bombs and jet fuel are almost limitless.

    If they destroy key bridges and airports, supplies from the West will be greatly restricted. They can do this at will. They haven't done this yet because they don't want their Ukrainian brethren to starve to death. There are plenty of credible videos of point targets being destroyed. Russia can destroy the electric power system, natural gas supplies, major bridges and even damns at ANY TIME. They have not done this for a reason.

    You don't need to like it or agree with it. Just use your eyes: watch some videos, look at a map and then think about it. This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …This is a stupid war for Ukraine to be involved in, no matter what misguided dreams some people had.

    All wars are generally stupid, but this one takes the cake: the level of destruction, escalation risks, and very high casualties are way out of line with the issues this war is fought about: Nato expansion and Russian minority rights.

    They twist it into an ‘existential, civilizational‘ war, but it is clearly not. Russian and Ukrainian rational positions were not far apart, something easily settled with a compromise. It is the hysterical “Asiats are coming!!!‘ racist rhetoric and idiotic neo-con dream to control Russia that made the compromise impossible.

    But the Ukies should had been smarter than to fall for it. They are literally dying so Nato can place its missiles in Ukraine and so that there are no Russian schools in Donbas. All else is rhetoric.

  129. @LatW
    @Beckow


    US had superior weapons to Vietnamese – and they lost. Same in Afghanistan and Iraq.
     
    This is a little different than those wars. Here it is the nation fighting for its existence (and freedom), in those countries you mention, US waged expeditionary wars. In Ukraine, the whole nation is fighting and many outside of Ukraine are helping. The US had a place to retreat to (go back home), Ukraine doesn't, Ukraine is at home.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Wokechoke

    Ukraine doesn’t, Ukraine is at home.

    What Ukraine? Are the Russians in Ukraine also “Ukraine”? Is Crimea or Donbas?

    You use over-the-top rhetoric to cover up the real issue. It is always done in wars, you should do better.

    The reality is that two separate ‘nations’ are fighting for their existence: Ukie Ukies and the Donbas Ukies assisted now by the Russians from Russia. The Ukie Ukies can easily retreat from Donbas – they don’t live there. But where would the millions of Russians living there go? Killed or expelled? Or only totally suppressed and forcefully Ukrainized?

    The real analogy to this war is something like Netherlands’ Belgium in 1830 – the Dutch suppressed the Catholic French-speakers and France came to help its co-patriots and created Belgium. Or creation of Italy and Germany. Or WW1 aftermath when a number of minorities were allowed self-determination. In 2023 it is a bit late for this ethnic mess, that’s why it feels so odd and is easily manipulated – you do it too.

    It is about equal rights and equal security for all sides – just because you stick “Russian!” in front of a universal term doesn’t mean that the basic human rights no longer exist. Think about it a little and stop with sloganeering. If for no other reason, because you are likely to lose this fight and will grudgingly admit that “Russian are people too”. Why wait until then to be reasonable?

  130. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    And the Kharkiv offensive.
     
    There was also the expulsion of the Russians from Mykolaiv and the subsequent (several months later) liberation of Kherson from the Russians.

    So, overall, four huge Ukrainian military triumphs in 2022:

    -Kiev
    -Kharkiv
    -Mykolaiv
    -Kherson

    Pretty impressive!

    Ukraine even reintroduced the Hero City award as a result of the current war:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_City_of_Ukraine

    or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.
     
    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler: Putin or Milosevic?

    Replies: @Beckow

    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…
     
    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    Replies: @Beckow

  131. @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Elon Musk seeming to head on a collision course with “collective Jewry”, “Global Judaism” or “international Jewry” (however one calls it exactly) is very interesting news, but it seems unclear why that clash is unfolding right now … Perhaps Musk just got in over his head by condemning Soros
     
    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the "Leave out the A" Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Recognizing that Leftoids are post-Judaic apostates (not practicing Jews) clears away much of the underbrush. Have Netanyahu and Musk ever met?
    ___

    It is increasingly clear that those who claim to represent “American Jews” are actually foes of Judaism. (2)

    For years now, it has been essentially the Leftist Anti-Defamation League, espousing far-Left cause after far-Left cause, no matter how opposed these causes were to their supposed core mission of stopping anti-Semitism. Now the Coalition for Jewish Values (CJV), a coalition of over 1,500 Orthodox Jewish rabbis, is calling out the ADL for having lost “the moral clarity to properly identify antisemitism, let alone combat it.”

    The ADL earned this richly deserved repudiation by declaring “anti-Israel activism in and of itself is not antisemitism,” and announcing that it would not reject anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) resolutions out of hand, but would “carefully evaluate” each one. CJV Southern Regional Vice President Rabbi Moshe B. Parnes minced no words in laying bare the extent of the ADL’s betrayal: “Only someone with no sense of Jewish history could claim that BDS is not antisemitic.
     
    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/culture/robert-spencer/2021/08/07/1500-rabbis-slam-the-adl-as-unable-even-to-identify-much-less-fight-anti-semitism-n1467949

    Replies: @Resist Covid Slavery

    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more “anti-Semitism” than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk’s career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei’s Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei’s Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of “death to Zionists” and “Israel will be destroyed in 20 years” every now and then, with Iran’s influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Resist Covid Slavery


    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk).
     
    George IslamoSoros supports the genocidal BDS movement. This is from 2019, but nothing has changed: (1)

    Financing tied to billionaire activist George Soros is a common yet largely under-reported theme among organizations that lead or support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign attempting to delegitimize the Jewish state.

    In January [2019], Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.
     
    Essentially every action The IslamoSoros takes is anti-Semitic and pro-Muslim.


    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.
     
    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.
     
    You are delusional if you do not see it changing.

    Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.

    Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/
    , @John Johnson
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally.

    Well our conservatives don't want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.

    Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    They really aren't much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.

    So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?

  132. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The combination of continued ex-Warsaw Pact neutrality and US commitment to nuclear arms reduction treaties could have been a foundation for a more substantial Peace over time.

    Due to the stupidity and nihilism of the West that foundation has been lost, but hopefully not forever.

    All sides performed nuclear war exercises. The actions of the West since 2002 have probably increased this risky activity on all sides.

    The Neocons and their fellow travelers have been running this military-diplomatic-cultural shitshow for a long time. Why would anyone try to defend the results of their crimes? These monsters are stupid and evil. Of course they created a mess for the rest of us.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The great “westernizer democrat” Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful “safety” delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:

    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

  133. @Pixo
    @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/07/11/59965359-10989527-Shivon_Zilis_36_pictured_one_of_the_top_executives_at_Elon_Musk_-a-16_1657189448477.jpg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Bill P, @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Elon just had twin boys with an attractive Jewess. She’s the smartest of his various babymamas and they used advanced embryos selection IVF. So likely his favorite kid will be partly Jewish and raised primarily with his Jewish mother.

    Thanks.

    Perhaps the whole conflict of Elon Musk vs “the Jews” is fake and there’s behind the scenes harmony, with some theatre for the masses. Or perhaps Greenblatt is just a hothead who can’t restrain himself, so he overreached and overplayed his hand.

    Anyway, I’m reading the book “Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future” by Ashlee Vance.

    It’s interesting in many different ways about Elon Musk’s life biography from his earliest years until about 2015/16. Being halfway through the book it’s already obvious Greenblatt doesn’t have any explicit and clear proof of Musk’s “anti-Semitism” since Musk even had a Jewish CEO as a business partner in Tesla, and had some Jewish employees over the years with which he worked just fine and conducted business as with any other non-Jewish persons.

    Otherwise, my feeling is that Musk’s heart and soul is in the right place and his intentions are good, but his life record has a lot of suffering and difficult moments in it (Musk got beaten and bullied hard as a youngster, nearly died from a tropical disease once, miscarriages with former partners, daddy issues, etc.), and particularly with wild swings of business fortunes with ugly spats with former business partners and employees, big losses of income on various companies, hard work on entirely new businesses from scratch and so on. Perhaps everyone should make what they will of him and the differing testimonies about his character and pivotal moments of Musk’s life and businesses.

  134. @Mr. XYZ
    @Pixo

    Meanwhile, Elon Musk's father Errol Musk is such a Chad that he had two children together with his adult stepdaughter:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-errol-musk-children-stepdaughter-b2123744.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Resist Covid Slavery

    Can’t be bothered to go find that Tweet (might go and do it sometime), but Elon’s father basically has the same/similar worldview as Alex Jones (not sure if he’s a follower or not) lol.

  135. @AP
    @Sean


    The glory days of Ukraine were the valiant defence of Kiev
     
    And the Kharkiv offensive.

    So far.

    Odds are decent of an effective late spring or summer offensive. I’d give it a 50% chance of success (up from 40% a month ago).

    The recent sequence of events involving Patriots has been nice. Shot down several aircraft over Russia, Russia tries to avenge that with a massive series of strikes on Kiev to kill the Patriot system, instead the Kinzhal proves to be a dud. Double humiliation. The the scientists who de eloped Kinzhal get arrested.

    America would be held responsible for any Ukrainian dirty bomb
     
    Nonsense. Ukrainians have plenty of their own material and their own scientists. They can do it all on their own, even more so if this follows an American abandonment. Ukrainians also probably have the means to create small suitcase bombs, not just dirty bombs. If Kiev or Lviv get nuked there will be nothing to lose.

    Americans can then sit back and watch as Slavs nuke each other.

    But I suspect Kiev is adequately defended with Patriots and Lviv can be under the Rzeszow Patriot umbrella if it comes to tactical nukes. Russia would most likely either use it on the battlefield for minimal practical effect, or destroy some Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia. Doing so would continue Putin’s traditions of doing Bandera’s job and wiping out Russian areas in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack

    Wouldn’t even a “tactical” nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia’s role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. 🙁

    Don’t worry Beckow, “Super Putler” will save you as he fights the whole world. 🙁

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    Replies: @German_reader

  136. @sudden death
    @QCIC

    The great "westernizer democrat" Yeltsin demanded to give up all Europe to RF way before 2002, so all those neutrality given wonderful "safety" delusions by Western hippie peaceniks were and still are baseless:


    At their last meeting, in Istanbul in November 1999, Yeltsin said to Clinton, “I ask you one thing. Just give Europe to Russia. The U.S. is not in Europe. Europe should be the business of Europeans. Russia is half European and half Asian. … Bill, I’m serious. Give Europe to Europe itself. We have the power in Russia to protect all of Europe, including those with missiles.”
     
    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    What's the matter? Doesn't Kitaro's music appeal to you? :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

  137. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    What’s the matter? Doesn’t Kitaro’s music appeal to you? 🙂

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    I haven't listened to Kitaro for so many years, he's very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  138. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler...
     
    That's easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor...

    Replies: @AP

    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…

    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    Replies: @AP

  139. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    The course of the war is not such so as to suggest Russia might be toying with use of nukes ay time soon.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    1. Before the invasion there was a universal expectation that mechanized dashes by either/ any side that managed to concentrate sufficient large formations would be very effective, especially when allied to drones for reconnaissance and artillery spotting. But in practice it has not worked for the Russians despite repeated attempts. What has proven to be crucial is artillery ammunition supply/ transport. We know this because both sides in Bakhmut are complaining that of bottlenecks in the supply of shells. Any mechanized advance that goes forward ten kilometers a day will outrun its logistical train's ability to supply the self propelled guns for the mass effect bombardments necessary for real fighting, and the defending enemy supply dumps will be getting closer to the point of contact so they will have improved logistics.

    2. I do not think there is any prospect of a nuclear weapon being used because the Russians now know that mobile maneuver warfare does not work and so there will be no big Russian offensive to fall victim to a swift powerful counter-offensive and need to be rescued by Russian detonation of thermonuclear mines to create huge craters in from of the tanks. Other first use of any kind of nukes by Russia is non credible. Unless the entire Russian army runs away. But those guys did not run from the tank

  140. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    https://youtu.be/v9YnDirqwT4

    https://youtu.be/mv7M0xmq6i0

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony – drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:

    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).

    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, that's true. What you wrote about is probably also true, but by 1999 Bor'ka alkash was entirely out of his wits. He was basically a zombie, not much to do with the man who seized power with western backing in 1991. Whatever he said after 1996 is to be taken as a drunkard's ramblings similar to the typical drunk Russian "ну ты меня уважаешь?"

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    Replies: @sudden death

  141. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    What's the matter? Doesn't Kitaro's music appeal to you? :-)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    I haven’t listened to Kitaro for so many years, he’s very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    To be honest, I don't listen to Kitaro's music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It's still magical to this day, and he's certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to "Tojiki' and of course his ground breaking "Silk Road", you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  142. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

    Well, that’s true. What you wrote about is probably also true, but by 1999 Bor’ka alkash was entirely out of his wits. He was basically a zombie, not much to do with the man who seized power with western backing in 1991. Whatever he said after 1996 is to be taken as a drunkard’s ramblings similar to the typical drunk Russian “ну ты меня уважаешь?”

  143. @AP
    @Beckow


    “So far, who is the biggest killer of Slavs since Hitler…”

    That’s easy: Ukraine lost 15 million people since 1991. One would have to nominate their leadership for this honor…
     
    Now Beckow lies about the 15 million population decline being killed.

    I should congratulate the off the boaters in my church for their resurrection.

    Replies: @Beckow

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  144. Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    “The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia – no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field – and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it,” the academician said.

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though – preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won’t leave anymore;)

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    Sounds like the Chinese could send a fraction of a fraction of their graduating class of BEng or MEng and fill those gaps. Not unlike the US does with its increasingly Sinoized University cohort.


    Thank Jews.

    , @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that's the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

  145. A123 says: • Website
    @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can’t be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk).

    George IslamoSoros supports the genocidal BDS movement. This is from 2019, but nothing has changed: (1)

    Financing tied to billionaire activist George Soros is a common yet largely under-reported theme among organizations that lead or support the anti-Semitic Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign attempting to delegitimize the Jewish state.

    In January [2019], Israel released a list of 20 BDS-supporting organizations whose members will be banned from entering Israel due to their BDS activism, prominently featuring six American groups. At least four of the six BDS-promoting U.S. groups receive funding tied to Soros. Scores of other U.S. organizations that support the BDS movement are financed by Soros.

    Essentially every action The IslamoSoros takes is anti-Semitic and pro-Muslim.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    You are delusional if you do not see it changing.

    Orthodox are already overwhelmingly Republican voters. And, they have the most positive TFR for the long run.

    Other branches of Judaism are also shifting away from the Democrats. Open Anti-Semites like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are celebrated by the DNC. This drives all Jews to become less blue as a voting bloc. At some point there will be a crossover if the current trends hold.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/01/21/target-israel-george-soros-funded-groups-leading-bds-war-on-jewish-state/

  146. @sudden death

    Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    "The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia - no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field - and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it," the academician said.
     

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though - preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won't leave anymore;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    Sounds like the Chinese could send a fraction of a fraction of their graduating class of BEng or MEng and fill those gaps. Not unlike the US does with its increasingly Sinoized University cohort.

    Thank Jews.

  147. @sudden death

    Over the past five years, Russia has lost 50,000 researchers, said Valentin Parmon, Vice President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Chairman of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a general meeting of the branch.

    "The main problem in Russia is this: over the past five years, only Russia - no other country has lost so many workers in the scientific field - and Russia has lost 50 thousand people. Now, when everyone is talking about technological sovereignty, the future depends on science-intensive technology, the issue is that Russia as a state has missed those who can do it," the academician said.
     

    https://www.interfax.ru/russia/902007

    The practical solutions are easy though - preventively accuse the still remaining rest with treason and lock them up inside, so they surely won't leave anymore;)

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Ivashka the fool

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that’s the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the "vaguely free market".

    It doesn't matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.

    50,000 out of how many?

    Replies: @sudden death

  148. @Beckow
    @AP

    15 million are gone from Ukraine. Maybe in your autistic mind they will be resurrected, but as a drop in population that is kind of a record, only Latvia did worse.

    Replies: @AP

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn't comparable to mass murder!

    Replies: @Beckow

  149. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    He is showing his African heritage. Back home Big Men always have scads of children.

    Replies: @songbird

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.png

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  150. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Russian folk has great ancient wisdom known without any irony - drunk tongue lays out the secrets of sober mind:


    Что у трезвого на уме, то у пьяного на языке (значение) — пьяный человек часто говорит то, что не решается сказать трезвым, но о чем постоянно думает (русская пословица).
     
    https://dslov.ru/pos/p80.htm

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @QCIC

    I’m trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about "non targeted neutral" zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    Replies: @QCIC

  151. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm trying to explain how this war could have been avoided (WW3).

    I am not speculating about what incompetent and crooked politicians did on all sides to get to this point.

    Replies: @sudden death

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about “non targeted neutral” zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

  152. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn’t rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West.
     
    The facts support your evaluation. So far only one country deliberately used nukes against humans. It was not Russia. It also was not NK, India, Pakistan, or even Israel.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    Replies: @QCIC

  153. QCIC says:
    @sudden death
    @QCIC

    WW3 was nearly perfectly avoided for half century in practice when NATO and Soviet military bloc had long direct borders without any noticeable meaningful buffer zones, so all this clueless hippie peacenik level hot air being pushed about "non targeted neutral" zones for the sake of PeaceTM is worthless theorizing;)

    Replies: @QCIC

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
     
    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That's russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let's do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there's a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Matra
    @QCIC

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan's relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    Replies: @sudden death

  154. @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    You know the "Valeriepieris circle", which was discovered by someone on an internet forum.

    The majority of the humans in the world lives inside the circle in South/East Asia.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FYFo9QpVsAAw99y.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcqq8eAufXk

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    We have a bit of disproportionate interest for Europe, America, relative to the proportion of humans there.

    That’s true for a number of reasons Some of these reasons are disappearing faster than others, though.

    Russians proper are white. Naturally, they had certain affinity for other whites, i.e., Europeans. However, insane policies keep making Europe and the US less white racially, and even less white culturally.

    Culturally Russia is closer to traditional Europe than to any other cultural center. However, with woke and LGBT madness European culture is rapidly deteriorating. Just compare BBC movies or RSC plays of 20-30 years ago and those of today. The quality used to be high, and the color of actors used to match the color of characters they were playing. Not any more. Current productions look like angry self-parodies. European culture is committing suicide even as we comment here. Formerly great formerly Britain is a typical example.

    Russians lived for many centuries next to non-white people, and learned to live peacefully and evaluate others by their personal qualities, not by the color of their skin, their religion, and other non-essential factors. This century-old experience makes its turn away from degenerating imperial patch psychologically easier.

    The European part of Russia is the most developed economically. Thus, for geographical reasons Russian trade with Europe dwarfed its trade with other partners (the trade with the US was always minuscule). Russian trade is in the process ob being redirected. Not only to China, which is understandable politically but creates logistical problems. A lot of trade is directed to other parts of the world, including those closer to the European part of Russia, such as Turkey, Iran, and India via Iran/Afghanistan. All these directions are unreachable for the empire, hence intense gnashing of teeth in Washington politburo. The trade with Latin America and Africa is also growing, but it can be made harder by the imperial navy. That’s why Russian subs have to “accidentally” surface to scare away imperial warships near tankers delivering gasoline from Iran to Venezuela. However, this factor is waning in importance. The quality of the imperial navy and the rest of its military keeps deteriorating. One reason is the level of corruption: just remember the breakdown of much hyped Zumwalt, with the price tag of many billions, in the Panama channel. The other reason is woke/LGBT madness: people in the military are promoted based on their color and sexual orientation, rather than based on competence, and it has consequences.

    The process of reorientation will likely take a decade or two, but it cannot be stopped now. Many Europeans, even the ones positioning themselves as sensible and level-headed, still do not get a simple act that Russian pivot away from Europe is much greater loss for Europe than for Russia. They will likely realize this when it’s too late.

    Personally, I used to travel to Europe a lot, visited most European countries. It always had an air of an oversized Disneyland, but history and the quality of food compensated for that. With the EU regulations the quality of food went visibly downhill. E.g., fruits and veggies in Spain used to be abundant, varied, and tasty 20 years ago, but two years ago I was amazed by sharp decline in quality and variety. Luckily for Italians, they tend to break stupid rules (like Russians), so fruits and veggies in Italy are still good. But they are mostly sold in small shops by Arabs. Now I boycott Europe, go to Asia, Latin America, and even Africa instead, and have fun. The world is big and most of it is outside of the imperial patch.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AnonfromTN

    I wasn't writing specifically for Russia, but for a lot of countries should learn more about India.

    For example, people know in electronic engineering and computer science, some of the main creators of the 19th century are Boole, De Morgan and Babbage. Their inspiration was partly India, as result of the contact of British and Indian peoples created by the British imperialism in India.

    Indian texts were only mostly translated in the beginning of the 19th century. Immediately, after 2 thousand years with no advancement in European logic, the influence of Indian logic partially inspired the creators of modern logic in 1830-65. This is an important theme if you read the biographies of this group, India was almost their main passion in life.

    De Morgan writes in 1859.



    At this very moment there still exists among the higher castes of the country - castes which exercise vast influence over the rest - a body of literature and science which might well be the nucleus of a new civilization, though every trace of Christian and Mohamedan civilization were blotted out of existence. They forget that there exists in India, under circumstances which prove a very high antiquity, a philosophical language which is one of the wonders of the world, and which is a near collateral of the Greek, if not its parent form. From those who wrote in this language we derive our system of arithmetic, and the algebra which is the most powerful instrument of modern analysis.
     
    http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/De_Morgan_1859_Preface.html

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  155. They should have gone in the other direction with Indy and made a politically incorrect movie, where he spoke about things like Battle Axe Culture, or how there was never a meaningful civilization run by women, or how the wheel was practically absent from sub-Sahara.

    That Phoebe character could have been his enemy, digging up sites and trying to claim there were female warriors, or that the Bantu built Great Zimbabwe, or that Cleopatra was black, or that it was ‘pots, not people.’

  156. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That’s russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let’s do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there’s a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance
     
    Translation - not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  157. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West.

    The facts support your evaluation. So far only one country deliberately used nukes against humans. It was not Russia. It also was not NK, India, Pakistan, or even Israel.

  158. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Jacob Zuma supposedly has 23 children, though like BoJo, they are difficult to count.

    I wonder what South Africa and Brazil might have looked like today, if polygamy had been more mainstream among Europeans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Filthy rich people are the ultimate atheists, no matter what they claim: Gods do not take bribes.

  159. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They find that phone app that reminds you to text your loved ones a happy birthday indispensable.

    https://w7.pngwing.com/pngs/590/525/png-transparent-minimalism-know-your-meme-meme-leaf-text-vertebrate.png

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Filthy rich people are the ultimate atheists, no matter what they claim: Gods do not take bribes.

  160. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC


    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?
     
    Because to breathe a sigh of relief, russophobic people need Russian people to be degraded until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance. That's russophobic thinking in a nutshell: Russians are natural scum, let's do all we can, including having war and destroying Russia thoroughly, so Russians as a people become total scum. The fact that there's a contradiction in their thinking is not something that russophobic people notice.

    Despite believing that they are rational, russophobic people are neurotic. They have mental complexes that prevent them from seeing what is Real. Most Neocons and their Eastern European henchmen are russophobic and therefore irrational in fine.

    Haters gonna hate.

    🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @sudden death

    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance

    Translation – not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    Replies: @sudden death

  161. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.

    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do :(

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Mikel
    @sudden death


    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out
     
    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    Replies: @AP

  162. QCIC says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    I was going to write about it yesterday.

    Most people are unaware of that, but there were more scientific, technical and industrial know-how lost in RusFed under Putin than under Yeltsin. Part of it is just the remaining Soviet technical intelligentsia growing old and dying out, but part of it is also the smartest and the brightest leaving for greener pastures.

    When the Noviop will be done, RusFed will no longer be capable of producing anything competitive in any technological field. Perhaps that's the end goal; to transform this part of Eurasia into an archaic reservation for the backward natives that would have forgotten that their ancestors were one day capable of aiming their spaceships towards the stars.

    I believe Pynya when he says everything is going according to the plan.

    It is just that the plan is not to Make Russia Great Again.

    🙂

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think the post-Soviet scientists who left or died earlier may have been more consequential than recent losses. One the other hand, Russia can buy most of the fruits of their labors on the open market so they were not really lost! The wonders of the free market! Ok, call it the “vaguely free market”.

    It doesn’t matter if a high quality education system is not restored. The USA has the same problem.

    50,000 out of how many?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC


    50,000 out of how many?
     
    Roughly about 8% from all, but perhaps 20/80 proportion exists in scientific fields too, so the questions are bit open ended - not that easily to quantify what is the loss rate of the most productive/talented strata.

    According to experts from the Institute for Statistical Research and Economics of Knowledge, as of the second half of last year, there were more than 600,000 science workers in the Russian Federation.
     
    https://t.me/russica2/51942

    Replies: @QCIC

  163. @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do 🙁

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    If Ukrainians make it harder and harder to do pointless moronic things for the pointless invading morons, then they achieved the right thing and should be helped, whatever the nicknames may be;)

  164. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I think the locals (Ukrainians) who foolishly and tragically got themselves into the middle of this Superpower conflict may have the same nickname as you do :(

    Replies: @sudden death

    If Ukrainians make it harder and harder to do pointless moronic things for the pointless invading morons, then they achieved the right thing and should be helped, whatever the nicknames may be;)

  165. @sudden death
    @QCIC


    I’m not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless.
     
    Absolutely agree, therefore invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out;)

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out

    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn’t really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia’s ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

  166. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Nukes are sort of intrinsically optimized to kill civilians and light infrastructure, neither of which are crucial military targets. Therefore nukes are political weapons, not military weapons. This fact is sort of hidden in the claim that smart conventional weapons make nukes obsolete. From a military perspective this might be true, but not politically.

    Russia seems less likely to use a nuke than the West. This entire war is about stirring up trouble to hurt Russia and a Western nuke would fit into that process. Russia might consider using a nuke to stave off a Western escalation.

    I could see some crazed NeoNazi using a nuke against Russia but I think it would have happened already. This doesn't rule out the West giving a nuke to a NeoNazi who is a throw away pawn.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Is tough to say so I didn't say. This depends on the weather and the jet stream.

    You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.

    There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.

  167. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    I haven't listened to Kitaro for so many years, he's very good. Thanks for bringing him back to my mind.

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    To be honest, I don’t listen to Kitaro’s music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It’s still magical to this day, and he’s certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to “Tojiki’ and of course his ground breaking “Silk Road”, you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mr. Hack

    The internet is the postmodern Silk Road.

    https://youtu.be/lk2eKqhVouU

  168. Erdogan’s pro-Western rival is claiming that he will kick out the refugees, if elected. Is it all a bluff? Or will he deliver?

    https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Syria has been re-admitted to the Arab League, from the pov of Arab states the attempt to overthrow Assad's government has failed. So theoretically, re-construction should now be possible, and Syrians should be able to go home (maybe after some sort of agreement is reached which has Assad promise not to harm those returning).
    Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria's economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn't normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn't want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
    But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it's still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
    In any case, it's funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:

    https://twitter.com/Timour_Ozturk/status/1659127343691059202?cxt=HHwWhMC-3erhs4YuAAAA

  169. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    WW3 was so well avoided (continuous threat of war) that we actually had meaningful disarmament which idiots like you have undermined.

    Sudden Death, why do you WANT WW3?

    I'm not a Peacenik at all, I just see this war as moronic and totally pointless. It is bad for US citizens, it is bad for Ukrainians and bad for Russians.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @sudden death, @Matra

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan’s relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Matra

    Selective memory is amazing thing - not only first Reagan term forgotten, but very easy to ignore that US supplied the guns all the time then against invading Soviet army;)

    He even escalated it more in 1986 IIRC with providing Stingers, which negated local Soviet air superiority and was one of the causes, along with financial Soviet shortages due to Western sanctions and oil price slide, which forced to remove Soviet troops from USSR neighbouring Afghanistan in 1988.

  170. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa


    It’s just wonderful to see how we continually love to create new ways to take humanity out of the human experience.
     
    We've always been doing that, haven't we? The human experience changed also dramatically when our ancestors tamed fire, invented hunting tools, domesticated animals, etc.

    If progress in the emerging technologies leads to curing cancer or prolonging healthspan and lifespan, would you opt out on philosophical/religious grounds?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly and argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I’m just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We’re even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I’m fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don’t personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I’m part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I’m fine with that.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

  171. QCIC says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    Well. neither you nor AP addressed my main concern (AP seldom replies to my comments these days, probably saving his energies for more worthy commentators), as to whether the radiation of a tactical nuclear bomb used in Lviv might also reach bordering areas in Slovakia, Hungary or Poland? After all, ravishing Beckow lives close to Lviv.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Is tough to say so I didn’t say. This depends on the weather and the jet stream.

    You might check if Phoenix ever got any serious fallout from the Nevada test site. You are about 350 miles Southeast of ground zero. The googler says there were 100 above ground tests there with the largest at 74 kilotons.

    There was a lot of fallout from Chernobyl. I think the radiation from a modern US or Russian tactical nuke might be pretty small compared to most of the bombs which were tested above ground or used in Japan. If people hunker down for two weeks most would be fine, relatively speaking. The lack of food and bands of roving zombies would probably do most in.

  172. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Erdogan's pro-Western rival is claiming that he will kick out the refugees, if elected. Is it all a bluff? Or will he deliver?

    https://www.rt.com/news/576534-erdogan-rival-expell-refugees-turkiye/

    Replies: @German_reader

    Syria has been re-admitted to the Arab League, from the pov of Arab states the attempt to overthrow Assad’s government has failed. So theoretically, re-construction should now be possible, and Syrians should be able to go home (maybe after some sort of agreement is reached which has Assad promise not to harm those returning).
    Major issue is of course that the US and its European lackeys still want to strangle Syria’s economy through sanctions and block all re-construction, e. g. see that stupid bitch Baerbock who recently tried to lecture Arab states that they mustn’t normalize ties with Syria (of course her party also doesn’t want Syrians to leave Germany again anyway).
    But Turkey would presumably have more leeway to conclude an agreement with Syria, since it’s still a sovereign state capable of an independent foreign policy, for better or worse.
    In any case, it’s funny how in Turkey even the Social Democrats are nationalists:

    [MORE]

    • Agree: songbird
  173. QCIC says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI’s will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI’s be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @QCIC

    I would expect that AI will follow the same moral schema that I assign to the internet in general, "The internet is sometimes convenient but mostly evil." I always love the baffled looks I get for that one in conversation!

    Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like "ethical porn".

    Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that "ethical porn" was bad for people's sex lives and relationships.

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you!

  174. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @sudden death


    invaders are morons, whom should be stopped and kicked out
     
    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia?

    In the latter case, how does it benefit us, considering that Russia is by far the country that can cause us the most devastating harm? In the previous Cold War everybody understood the contrary to be the only rational choice. There wasn't really any dispute about it. Hence Hungary and Czechoslovakia.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia's conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended. I remember how the first time the Russians used a Kalibr in Syria, not too long ago, the Pentagon doubted that the Russians could use advanced cruise missile technology and claimed that the missile had fallen somewhere in Iran. Now we can all see almost everyday how cruise , ballistic and even hypersonic missiles are launched from hundreds of miles away and reach their destinations with an accuracy of a few meters, less than the span of a bridge. I see exactly zero reasons to assume that Russia's ICBMs and SLBMs would fail to reach us all if we corner the Russians into launching them. Am I wrong anywhere in this assessment?

    Replies: @AP

    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia

    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Didn't Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his "Two movies paradigm" during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

  175. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Wouldn't even a "tactical" nuclear bomb detonated in Lviv make things extremely warm in bordering countries like Slovakia and Poland? Of course, totally obtuse personalities like Beckow would still find reasons to laud Russia's role in this world, as he tries to find the best antidote to help heal his splintered and deep fried skin surrounding his whole body. :-(

    https://gdb.rferl.org/6ABF580C-72C4-4E55-9A5D-007F91276730_w1023_r1_s.jpg

    Don't worry Beckow, "Super Putler" will save you as he fights the whole world. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

  176. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But the population makes a huge difference. It’s very different when the “ghetto” is populated by schoolteachers, nurses, etc.
     
    Yes, because that likely has a huge effect on both culture and crime rates.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don't like in ghettoes. Probably not even black ones. Blacks who are able to live in non-black areas generally do so, and if these blacks can successfully assimilate into their non-black surroundings, then the degree of white/non-black flight can probably be massively reduced. People probably don't mind living next to middle- and upper-class blacks. It's the lower-class blacks that people don't want to live next to--not even blacks themselves who are of higher social status and social standing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It’s a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that “big government” must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of “big government” being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    I heard that some libertarians became alt-right because they concluded that free-market solutions can't effectively handle the problem of underclass minorities.


    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.
     
    It's like with the busing debate back in the day: It's easy to support busing while sending one's own kids to fancy private schools where the diversity is cherry-picked to only include elite black and Hispanic kids.
    , @Wokechoke
    @John Johnson

    Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.

    Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.

    Replies: @Sean

  177. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Lviv is too far for Slovakia, but Poland would certainly be affected. This is why I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    If Russia nuked Transcarpathia the fallout would affect Slovakia and Hungary.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    • Agree: Matra
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @German_reader

    Why use a missile for a nuke when you can have FedX deliver it right to someone's door? Easy peasy.

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    @AP

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     

    You suspect that Poland would void its Article 5 defense protection of the NATO treaty?

    It seems highly unlikely that Poland will exit NATO by openly attacking Russian forces.


    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.
     
    The burn in rate for fiction is quite amazing.

    The Patriot engagement proved the system quickly consumes 100% of all available interceptors on the launchers ($100-150 million). How often can they do that before they run out.

    No one knows how effective it was. Kiev could not stop conventional warheads from detonating. The Russian warheads still landed in the area, but no one (for or against) can say with credibility what WAS hit.

    Consider that U238 encased fusion warheads are much more durable than their conventional counterparts. The chances of intercepting and in flight disarming a nuclear warhead in near zero. Causing a strategic warhead to explode in the wrong part of Kiev is far short of successful "defense".

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @German_reader

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-war

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html

    Replies: @German_reader

  178. @Resist Covid Slavery
    @A123


    Actually, 180° the opposite. Musk supports indigenous Palestinian Jews when he points out the the “Leave out the A” Defaming League is anti-Semitic. I have made that exact point here a number of times.

     

    Yeah, I looked under some of the relevant Tweets (can't be bothered citing them), with some Jews actually being upset at Soros not supporting Israel somehow (idk). Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it's focused on Soros personally. There was even that one Jewish guy who complained that Greenblatt and the ADL only provoke and cause more "anti-Semitism" than would otherwise exist lol.

    In America — Jews, Asians, and Whites are all targeted by the SJW left. Not-The-President Biden’s anti-Semitic regime is snubbing Netanyahu because he is too Jewish.

     

    Probably, but regardless, it would be beyond parody if Musk's career, wealth, prestige and Twitter ownership got destroyed because of his spat with Greenblatt, but Ayatollah Khamenei's Twitter account still remained intact lol. Feels a bit bizarre that Khamenei's Twitter is still intact even though he threatens along the lines of "death to Zionists" and "Israel will be destroyed in 20 years" every now and then, with Iran's influence seeming to be on the rise in the Middle East, but Kanye West, Mel Gibson, and a whole bunch of other personalities get completely destroyed because they fell out with Jews somehow.

    Is change coming to America? Will real Jews abandon the anti-Semitic DNC and start voting for MAGA? Orthodox Jews are already majority Republican voters.

     

    I think you'd do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it's highly unlikely to change.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Other Jews said criticism of George Soros was legitimate as long as it’s focused on Soros personally.

    Well our conservatives don’t want to dig into his dark money since it might lead to investigations of wealthy conservatives doing the same thing. Neither side wants to get rid of dark money.

    Our doofus conservatives in fact think that billionaires like Soros should get a tax break.

    I think you’d do well to abandon any such delusion since Jewish American voting data as an electoral bloc indicates they overwhelmingly vote Democrat and it’s highly unlikely to change.

    They really aren’t much of a voting bloc. They are heavily in NYC/LA which vote Democrat anyways.

    So talk of conservative Jews voting Republican really means little in the context of their population size and location. Reminds me of conservative talk of how Hispanics will be natural conservatives. Remember that?

  179. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Bit of crumbling upwards lately
     
    Yea, sure. You should have compared to the Turkish lira, the graph would look even better. As Europe will go down the drain before the US, this is hardly surprising.

    When Brazil switched its trade with China away from the USD, even a moron like Ted Cruz noticed that something is terribly wrong.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don’t do that though because they like the current system.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Everybody likes the current system. Depending on how you look at it:

    I. Money grows on trees
    II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit

    As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!

  180. @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.

    Didn’t Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William

    Only in the same delusional world where Ukraine was conquered a year ago.

  181. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his “Two movies paradigm” during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which “facts” they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  182. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    Why use a missile for a nuke when you can have FedX deliver it right to someone’s door? Easy peasy.

  183. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    until Russia is unable to achieve anything of relevance
     
    Translation - not being able to landgrab easily neighbouring countries anymore means nightmarish degradation to landgrabbers;)

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It’s a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don’t target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : “Убей Немца !”, you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian – Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don't think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn't be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable "phobe" because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.


    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
     
    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to "the people" and mocked official demands for accessibility: "I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that's the reason why I have so many readers."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  184. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.

    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe
     
    A gradual decline in USD is:

    • Bad for Globalist Elites.
    • Great for American workers & exporters.

    MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world's "reserve currency" has been detrimental to Main Street America.

    I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new "reserve currency". Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.

    Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin's regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  185. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.

    You suspect that Poland would void its Article 5 defense protection of the NATO treaty?

    It seems highly unlikely that Poland will exit NATO by openly attacking Russian forces.

    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a “fact” that it’s possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    The burn in rate for fiction is quite amazing.

    The Patriot engagement proved the system quickly consumes 100% of all available interceptors on the launchers ($100-150 million). How often can they do that before they run out.

    No one knows how effective it was. Kiev could not stop conventional warheads from detonating. The Russian warheads still landed in the area, but no one (for or against) can say with credibility what WAS hit.

    Consider that U238 encased fusion warheads are much more durable than their conventional counterparts. The chances of intercepting and in flight disarming a nuclear warhead in near zero. Causing a strategic warhead to explode in the wrong part of Kiev is far short of successful “defense”.

    PEACE 😇

  186. @Greasy William
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Didn't Russia just take out a Patriot battery a few days ago?

    Replies: @AP

    Only in the same delusional world where Ukraine was conquered a year ago.

  187. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe

    A gradual decline in USD is:

    • Bad for Globalist Elites.
    • Great for American workers & exporters.

    MAGA Reindustrialization is stronger when imports are more expensive. More workers, better wages, buying more American goods. Being the world’s “reserve currency” has been detrimental to Main Street America.

    I really hope that the CCP Renminbi becomes the new “reserve currency”. Their workers and exporters can be crushed to enrich bourgeoisie CCP Elites and multinational Globalist financialists.

    Gradual decoupling from the CCP is a no brainer win for America.

    PEACE 😇

  188. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers 🙂

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers
     
    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    Replies: @AP

  189. @AP
    @German_reader

    I wouldn’t want to try a a test, but Patriots have proven effective against cruise and ballistic missiles. This would not include nukes on ICBMs but would include tactical ones. Kudos to the USA for designing such a system.

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers :-)

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

  190. @AP
    @Mikel


    Should the US and Western Europe stop and kick out all the invaders in the world or should we only get involved in the countries around Russia
     
    Better: give countries the means to defend themselves from invaders so that invaders will be less likely to invade. It’s a similar approach to allowing citizens to own guns for self-protection.

    As I see it, the two most important military lesson in this war are probably that Russia’s conventional forces are a paper tiger, unable to threaten us, and that Russian missiles do work as intended
     
    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless. And Ukraine has 2 of them. Places like Poland that have many systems are well covered.

    And even before the Patriots, Russian missiles hadn’t been that effective. Ukraine was still exporting electricity.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @QCIC, @Mikel

    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless…

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted “some damage” to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles “useless”. Why would anybody believe that?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza
     
    Iron Dome is highly effective against premium Iranian rocket/missile technology used by PIJ and Hamas.

    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtvn59-16wx620hpdiwOYLG_EY9NknRscJyps7mhQRsdx963qLZjTQwBKJ3OAkQ7-6BXf3QbP5XBNlHNveIpETssz0mWkOhHDy9X0UgkAdf3-Lfoao4eiKd5qXdOPCmSwwKhsAxeahf0zi8Jph5o3h4Gr5ktA9bAZZHa3eMKHSi9xXhi9l0Q/s4096/FwLb3uaWwAQwfNl.jpg

    Iranian forces killed more Gaza colonists versus indigenous Palestinian Jews. Any solution in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon relies on getting rid of Khamenei's forces. They inevitably bring bloodshed.

    ____

    Of course, Iranian technology is laughable compared to most of the globe, including Russian. So, the 95%+ Iron Dome success rate does not apply to Ukraine. Until we know what was (or was not) destroyed, it is impossible to call a clear victor in the recent exchange.

    The huge question is, "How many interceptors are available to the Kiev regime?" That one engagement consumed a month of output. How long before that supply is exhausted? Even if Patriot is highly effective it can be beaten by running it out of ammo.

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?
     
    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from
     


    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Mikel

  191. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    The Yuan is itself pegged to the dollar.

    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold. The dollar would be dead within a year. They don't do that though because they like the current system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Everybody likes the current system. Depending on how you look at it:

    I. Money grows on trees
    II. Our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren, to infinity have extended us an unlimited line of credit

    As long as economic growth continues there is NO Problem!

  192. @QCIC
    @AP

    Scott Adams of Dilbert fame used to comment on his "Two movies paradigm" during the first Trump era. He was struck by how polarized people had become due to the effectiveness of mass media propaganda. Even when two opposing groups have exactly the same facts to work with on some particular topic, their interpretation and emotional response to the facts were essentially opposite. This phenomenon is not new, but the uniformity and pervasiveness seemed very unusual. He said it was if people were watching two entirely different movies, even though there is only one.

    The Ukrainian situation is a bit different, in that the two groups of partisan observers strongly self-select for which "facts" they are even willing to entertain. I think the mass media presentation of Trump, while distorted, gave MAGA people at least some facts to work with. For Ukraine, the mass media presents almost no information which is counter to the narrative, even when this is vetted from a variety of sources, even sometimes sources in Ukraine or NATO. This combination of massive censorship and restrictive ideological blinders seems to be the wave of the present. It is very sad.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.
     
    C’mon, man, google is as woke and “progressive” as the craziest inmate in the lunatic asylum. I stopped using it years ago. Google gives you millions of hits, but all politically incorrect ones are given way after one hundred, so that no sane person using google ever sees them. There are relatively honest search engines, such as Duckduckgo (and many others), that are not owned by the same cabal as the US government.
  193. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    To be fair(!) when I put the exact headline wording into the text box google returned it to me.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The story about the depleted uranium ammunition store getting smashed and radiation detectors climbing in Poland was not findable anywhere on the first four pages when I looked for it on google this morning. I had to use yandex to find it.

    C’mon, man, google is as woke and “progressive” as the craziest inmate in the lunatic asylum. I stopped using it years ago. Google gives you millions of hits, but all politically incorrect ones are given way after one hundred, so that no sane person using google ever sees them. There are relatively honest search engines, such as Duckduckgo (and many others), that are not owned by the same cabal as the US government.

  194. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Sean

    I agree. The two points are:

    1. While the Patriot system still functions, hitting Kiev will be difficult. Lviv may be covered by Rzeszow’s defences, and if not, then the fallout will hit NATO territory (Poland). So the likely targets would be either a large Russian-speaking city like Kharkiv, Zaporizhia, Dnipro or Odessa (Bandera might be happy). Or the battlefield (no decisive result, Russian troops also hit).

    2. Budanov has stated that Ukraine will emulate Israel with respect to revenge. This was mostly about Mossad-style attacks on war criminals, but likely could also include the unthinkable in terms of nuke attack. Real chance of Samson style retaliation limited to Russia, in case of nuke attack on Ukrainian cities. Does Ukraine have the means? Does Russia want to find out?

    Replies: @Sean

    1. Before the invasion there was a universal expectation that mechanized dashes by either/ any side that managed to concentrate sufficient large formations would be very effective, especially when allied to drones for reconnaissance and artillery spotting. But in practice it has not worked for the Russians despite repeated attempts. What has proven to be crucial is artillery ammunition supply/ transport. We know this because both sides in Bakhmut are complaining that of bottlenecks in the supply of shells. Any mechanized advance that goes forward ten kilometers a day will outrun its logistical train’s ability to supply the self propelled guns for the mass effect bombardments necessary for real fighting, and the defending enemy supply dumps will be getting closer to the point of contact so they will have improved logistics.

    2. I do not think there is any prospect of a nuclear weapon being used because the Russians now know that mobile maneuver warfare does not work and so there will be no big Russian offensive to fall victim to a swift powerful counter-offensive and need to be rescued by Russian detonation of thermonuclear mines to create huge craters in from of the tanks. Other first use of any kind of nukes by Russia is non credible. Unless the entire Russian army runs away. But those guys did not run from the tank

  195. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    If China and Russia really wanted to destroy the dollar, they would just start demanding payment for their goods in gold.
     
    Everybody involved prefers soft landing to a catastrophic crash. China still holds about a trillion in treasuries. If it weren’t for insane US policies, financial and otherwise, current system would have survived for another 20-30 years. Without even realizing it, the US has signed USD death sentence. But everybody tries to avoid excessively fast changes. So, 5-10 years is the most likely timeframe.

    Replies: @A123, @Greasy William

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin’s regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn’t going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.
     
    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  196. Funny thing: I know full well that discussions here are essentially pointless, yet here I am again. Doing mostly molecular biology, I often have waits for an hour or more. When I am done reading/writing/reviewing papers/grants, I want to see what’s going on in the world. This means internet search. Even though some people believe that internet offers endless possibilities, they are in fact rather limited. It’s like cable TV in the US: 200 channels of BS do not offer more options than just one channel of BS.

    There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.

    Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN


    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.
     
    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn't in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...

    🙂

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  197. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    what you’re claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza

    Iron Dome is highly effective against premium Iranian rocket/missile technology used by PIJ and Hamas.

    Iranian forces killed more Gaza colonists versus indigenous Palestinian Jews. Any solution in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon relies on getting rid of Khamenei’s forces. They inevitably bring bloodshed.

    ____

    Of course, Iranian technology is laughable compared to most of the globe, including Russian. So, the 95%+ Iron Dome success rate does not apply to Ukraine. Until we know what was (or was not) destroyed, it is impossible to call a clear victor in the recent exchange.

    The huge question is, “How many interceptors are available to the Kiev regime?” That one engagement consumed a month of output. How long before that supply is exhausted? Even if Patriot is highly effective it can be beaten by running it out of ammo.

    PEACE 😇

  198. @AP
    @Beckow

    Of course when Beckow gets caught lying he uses the magic word “autism.”

    You lied that 15 million were killed in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn’t comparable to mass murder!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that's the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind 'but they were not killed'...but they are gone, that's what the question was about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  199. AP says:
    @Greasy William
    @AP


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers
     
    Link?

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago? I think both the US and Ukraine have conceded that it was

    Replies: @AP

    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    , @Sean
    @AP

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!


    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
     
    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They'd prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    Replies: @AP

  200. @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    I can't access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    Of course AP doesn't read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    Replies: @AP

  201. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.
     
    Aren't you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this? The Black Sea is a Russian lake, Moscow has the best defended airspace in the world (as we saw the other day), the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless...

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from. The next day I could geolocate by my own means those explosions to the Sikorsky airport area in Kiev through another video and the Pentagon admitted "some damage" to their Patriot system.

    Essentially, what you're claiming here is that the Patriot system that, after being improved by the Israelis, is unable to defend them from homemade rockets launched from Gaza or that is also unable to protect critical Saudi infrastructure from the missiles launched by the sandal-wearing Huthis can nevertheless make high tech Russian missiles "useless". Why would anybody believe that?

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?

    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from

    [MORE]

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner's tweets instead? From your own link:


    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail - in their missions and their lies.
     
    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot
     
    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    Replies: @AP

  202. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    Just because the US is bad does not mean that Russia and China are good. The end of fiat currency would be absolutely devastating for China and it would cause major political problems for Putin's regime as well.

    And make no mistake, when the dollar goes it isn't going to be replaced by the Yuan or some BRIC currency basket. The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.

    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN


    In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries
     
    And how do you buy those currencies? Currently, if you want to buy Rubles, you pay in USD or in Euros. India tried to pay in Rupees and was told to GTFO by Russia. Well what about in a world where there is no dollar (and thus no Euro), what do you buy Rubles or Yuan in then? The only option will be gold.

    I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it's inevitable.
  203. A special day for the Arab world.

    Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    , @Greasy William
    @Yahya

    I could actually see a lot of Arab women being interested in Zelensky. Arab women have weird tastes

    Replies: @Yahya

  204. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well, you know that I have never supported any land grab.

    But I recall you writing with some sort of sneering disdain about Dostoievsky because you see him as quintessentially Russian (which he is). I replied then to your comment that you have written something quite similar that Chubais once said. Anyone doing this kinds of comments about Dostoievsky, is a russophobe in my book. It's a marker. Человека корежит от русской литературы.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don't remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Also, you don't target a particular political regime (Soviet or post-Soviet), you target Russians as a people, as a group of humans that you deeply resent and dislike. You celebrate the death of Russian soldiers like Ilya Ehrenburg celebrated the death of German soldiers. Not of Nazis, but of Germans, simple conscrpts. Ehrenburg was a hater of everything German, you are of everything Russian. Just like Ehrenburg famously stated : "Убей Немца !", you would feel nothing wrong with proclaiming that killing Russians (as Russians, not Putinists, but Russians) is justified.

    I understand why you feel that way, given the painful and conflicted history of Russian - Lithuanian interactions. But I also understand that despite your clearly high level of intelligence, when it comes to all things Russian, your outlook is biased. We all have our biases, yours is Russophobia.

    I like your other comments anyway. They are often informative and engaging. But when you gloat about the misfortunes that the Noviop brought upon the RusFed you come as a little petty minded, which is a little sad given that you clearly are a smart guy.

    Just my personal opinion, no disrespect implied.

    🙂

    Replies: @sudden death

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don’t think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.

    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.

    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to “the people” and mocked official demands for accessibility: “I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that’s the reason why I have so many readers.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?
     
    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don't think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don't think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn't as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won't fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    https://youtu.be/crVHMGQpMT4

    Replies: @sudden death

  205. Nuclear waste weirdo arrested again.

    [MORE]

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html

    Apparently, he wasn’t jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.

    I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    Replies: @songbird

  206. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool

    Not a big deal, honesty is always preferable, but don't think it is somehow insulting if somebody considers me being russophobe, probably you also wouldn't be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable "phobe" because of posting/commenting something here?

    Dostoevsky quote was not mine, but by Milan Kundera, who prefered Chekhov, but began to feel aversion to forced inter-Slavic brotherly love theme, which he considered to be a strain of Dostoevsky thought, that manifested itself during behaviour of USSR invasion of 1968. It was just example how people who know the writer may feel due to political circumstances without much personal opinion/comment on the literary works, which are not familiar to me.


    Honestly, ask yourself, is there anything positive you can mention about the 1000 years long existence of Russia and its people? I sure don’t remember having ever read any such comment coming from you.
     
    Being a simple folkman, my own favourite RU book is Blue Book by Zoschenko if that can count as positive on that theme;)

    Zoshchenko developed a simplified deadpan style of writing which simultaneously made him accessible to "the people" and mocked official demands for accessibility: "I write very compactly. My sentences are short. Accessible to the poor. Maybe that's the reason why I have so many readers."
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Zoshchenko

    Also;)
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/psychometric-correlates-of-russia-sentiment/#comment-3818960

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?

    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don’t think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don’t think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn’t as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won’t fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)
     
    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»
     
    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  207. @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    I can’t access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Replies: @QCIC

  208. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Yeah, mass emigration certainly isn't comparable to mass murder!

    Replies: @Beckow

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that’s the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind ‘but they were not killed‘…but they are gone, that’s what the question was about.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    They can still help Ukraine by sending Ukraine remittances from abroad.

  209. @songbird
    Nuclear waste weirdo arrested again.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12099661/Ex-Biden-administration-nuclear-official-Sam-Brinton-arrested-fugitive-justice.html

    Apparently, he wasn't jailed the last time (2nd offence). This time there is supposed to be a minimum of one year.

    I wonder what would have happened to him in China or Japan or Saudi, if he were a national.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    Maybe, they will send him to a women's prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  210. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    The world is going to go back to using gold for international trade and there is no government on earth that wants that.
     
    Using gold is impractical, and therefore won’t happen. In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries. I don’t think there will ever be a single currency used for international trade, and that’s a good thing: no national government would be more able to print “money” than others.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    In fact, the trade is being switched to national currencies of trading countries

    And how do you buy those currencies? Currently, if you want to buy Rubles, you pay in USD or in Euros. India tried to pay in Rupees and was told to GTFO by Russia. Well what about in a world where there is no dollar (and thus no Euro), what do you buy Rubles or Yuan in then? The only option will be gold.

    I agree that gold is impractical for domestic trade. But in international trade, it’s inevitable.

  211. @AnonfromTN
    Funny thing: I know full well that discussions here are essentially pointless, yet here I am again. Doing mostly molecular biology, I often have waits for an hour or more. When I am done reading/writing/reviewing papers/grants, I want to see what’s going on in the world. This means internet search. Even though some people believe that internet offers endless possibilities, they are in fact rather limited. It’s like cable TV in the US: 200 channels of BS do not offer more options than just one channel of BS.

    There are various MSM sites. As they all repeat exactly the same lies, often copy-pasted verbatim from the same script, they are intolerably boring. There are several alternative media sites, but most are not very well designed and many focus on a single issue, which often does not interest me. There are sites in other languages, but here I am limited by the few I am fluent in. Plus, some of them I cannot access from work computer because of the censorship of my University (libtards like to pontificate about freedom of speech, but in reality they engage in more severe censorship than Hitler’s or Stalin’s regimes). Unz site is not blocked by stupid censors. An oversight on their part, but being as stupid as censors always are, they actually missed quite a few politically incorrect sites.

    Unz site offers a pretty wide range of opinions on various topics, so it’s entertaining and sometimes informative. Why these threads? The average quality of comments tends to be pretty decent. Of course, there are trolls spewing low-grade propaganda, such as John Jonson, Mr. XYZ, and some others pretending to be people. There are also people you need to treat like schizophrenics, such as LatW, AP, sudden death, Mr. Hack. They are perfectly normal discussing many topics, can post something interesting and sensible, but as soon as you touch upon the thing where their screw is loose, you get something deranged and patently stupid in response. Although fewer here than in other places on Unz, there are people seeing Jews under their beds (Russian joke describes this attitude best: “if there is no water in the river, it means that Jews drank it all”). There are many commenters with open (to various degrees) minds that are normal real people worth communicating with. If you exclude trolls, the average IQ here exceeds 100. You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.

    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn’t in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…

    🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…
     
    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    Replies: @QCIC

  212. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oh, please, you are hiding behind verbiage. Ukraine lost 15 million people, that's the largest drop in Slav population since WW2. Only a moron would hide behind 'but they were not killed'...but they are gone, that's what the question was about.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    They can still help Ukraine by sending Ukraine remittances from abroad.

  213. @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death


    probably you also wouldn’t be somehow insulted if someone called you americano/polono/ukraino/judeo/AI or any other imaginable “phobe” because of posting/commenting something here?
     
    Well, some people might indeed describe me as antisemitic, although I would prefer being seen as anti-Abrahamic because I don't think that Semites would have been any problematic outside the Abrahamic religious and cultural framework that they have embraced many centuries ago. Without the Abrahamic memetic virus, they would have been perfectly normal people, living in their ancestral lands and limiting their influence to their immediate surroundings.

    About Poles, I have nothing negative to say about them except that they are strongly influenced by their russophobia. Other than that, they have a beautiful culture, all Poles that I have met were nice people and I got along with them perfectly well.

    About Americans, I don't think I have ever written anything against American people. I dislike the Neocons in the American elite circles, just like I dislike their Noviop cousins in RusFed. Both of these political milieux come from the shtetl matrix in the late nineteenth century Pale of Settlement, and have this maximalist intolerant, vengeful and petty minded mentality about them that is annoying for open minded people. They are actually quite similar in their parasitic and destructive impact, except that the Noviop have saddled the Russian people, while the Neocon have saddled the American. To American people I have always wished well and have usually had good experiences with Americans when I met them either in US itself or abroad. I unironically wish Americans get their act together and Make America Great Again. Of course they wouldn't as long as the Neocon are at the helm, just like the Russians won't fix my homeland as long as the Noviop are at helm in RusFed or Ukrainians would know peace as long as their own Noviop are in charge in Kiev.

    So when it comes to my own opinions, I know that Abrahamic traditions and their toxic derivatives, such as the Noviop, do get on my nerves due to their messianic intolerance. I acknowledge my bias and do my best to find positive aspects to the existence of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic populations/traditions/cultures and their historical and cultural experience. Even though I would have preferred them staying on the other side of the Mediterranean sea.

    And just like you, being a russophobe, half jokingly acknowledge Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist) as something you could find palatable about Russian culture, I can also half Jokingly acknowledge the genius of Mikhail Shafutinsky when it comes to the Noviop culture. I am left behind the fashion and am incapable of enjoying the novel strains of younger and more virulent Noviop, such as Morgenshtern that Dima is so knowledgeable about. Perhaps it is just me growing older.

    https://youtu.be/crVHMGQpMT4

    Replies: @sudden death

    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)

    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»

    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn't see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn't know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn't have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn't put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:


    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said - "quality of life".

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia - 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.
     
    That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

  214. @Greasy William
    @AP

    This is really interesting, thank you.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    Of course AP doesn’t read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.
     
    This is a good catch, I hadn’t realized that. Thank you.
  215. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I think Sam is ready for some Nazi face tattoos to freshen up his look.

    Replies: @songbird

    Maybe, they will send him to a women’s prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    MSNBC should hire it as an anchor-thing. It doesn't look any worse than R Maddow.

  216. @QCIC
    @Greasy William

    I can't access the interview.

    How does the content compere to this link which Macbride posted in the other thread?

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

    Replies: @AP

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    LOL. There are plenty of clowns on all sides.

    Maybe he meant bioweapons? :)

  217. @AP
    @Mikel


    “Well, we also see that the Patriot system renders Russian missiles useless.”

    Aren’t you afraid of entering Saker territory with statements like this?
     
    They were integrated with Iris and numerous other systems in numerous layers. The Patriot system handled the cruise and ballistic missiles that Russia threw at Ukraine. Others knocked out the drones.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot.

    Unfortunately for Ukraine, it’s whole territory isn’t covered by the Patriots. After failing in Kiev, the Russians hit Odessa.

    I saw with my eyes a video of two ground explosions at the place where a barrage of AD missiles were being launched from
     


    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1658416567627968512?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Mikel

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead? From your own link:

    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail – in their missions and their lies.

    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn’t care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it’s not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS. As for the rest, it’s just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren’t any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot

    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It’s somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead
     
    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS
     
    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

     

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    Replies: @Mikel

  218. @sudden death
    @Ivashka the fool


    Zoshhenko (an Ukrainian satirist)
     
    Probably debatable and needs thorough inquiry, but at first sight maybe somebody also can consider in Riga born and living son of some Baltic German nobles from Courland writing in German as ethnic Latvian if there is desire?;)

    Отец — художник Михаил Иванович Зощенко (русский, из полтавских дворян, 1857—1907). Мать — Елена Осиповна (Иосифовна) Зощенко (урождённая Сурина, русская, дворянка, 1875—1920), до замужества была актрисой, печатала рассказы в газете «Копейка»
     
    This is also mine positive impression below;)

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire;)
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524465

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn’t know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn’t have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn’t put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You’re also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:

    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said – “quality of life”.

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia – 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.

    That’s Priannikov again, he’s my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian
     
    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable
     
    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  219. @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    It’s easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It’s certainly an argument that I’ve heard many times.

    I believe this argument is completely wrong and shows a total lack of understanding. I doubt this can be explained to someone who does not recognize it. Either they get there on their own or they think it is a nothing burger. The people who control AI's will use them to damage society. The nature of AI means this may happen much more quickly than people realize.

    Can AI's be used for good? Possibly, but the whole notion is sort of anti-human so I do not expect much good to come out of it. Sure there will be some nice things which are touted, but they will pale in comparison to the larger bad things which are not discussed.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I would expect that AI will follow the same moral schema that I assign to the internet in general, “The internet is sometimes convenient but mostly evil.” I always love the baffled looks I get for that one in conversation!

    Good AI seems likely to be a contradiction to me, like “ethical porn”.

    Speaking of which I saw that there was a study which found that “ethical porn” was bad for people’s sex lives and relationships.

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you!

    • LOL: QCIC
  220. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner's tweets instead? From your own link:


    Patriot never fails it missions, while russians always fail - in their missions and their lies.
     
    Alright, yeah. Very profound analysis.

    It looks like people emotionally invested in a war lean towards the sources that bring them good news. But if I ever need to stop sending my son to school and prepare a shelter in my basement I couldn't care less what pro-Russians or pro-Ukrainians are claiming. I only want to know what really is happening on the ground. And for the major events it's not so difficult really. Whenever you see both sides admitting to something, you know it has to be true. When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it's BS. As for the rest, it's just trying to apply common sense.

    Unfortunately, there aren't any totally neutral sources following the war closely but there are quite a few nationalist Russian channels that allow themselves plenty of self-criticism so they are quite valuable. I know of no similar Ukrainian channels, except for rezident on TG, which makes me wonder if he really is Ukrainian. Western MSM are useless, except for confirming bad news for Ukraine.

    In summary, I don't know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    Israel may have been hit by smaller rockets that are not targets for Patriot
     
    Israel has used its version of the Patriot system specifically for those unsophisticated rockets for many years now. It's somewhat effective but it often gets overwhelmed. Only in the past couple of weeks several Israelis have died as a consequence of these rockets, with both the capital Tel Aviv and some Israeli military installations receiving hits. Again, thinking that a system that performs like this in the real world against artisanal rockets can protect us from the Russian nuclear missiles is delusional.

    Replies: @AP

    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead

    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS

    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.
     
    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    Replies: @AP

  221. @songbird
    @QCIC

    Maybe, they will send him to a women's prison. Or Biden will pardon him.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    MSNBC should hire it as an anchor-thing. It doesn’t look any worse than R Maddow.

    • Agree: songbird
  222. Battle of the Nations
    Latvia Kazakhstan

  223. Is it true that chickenpox was nearly as fatal as smallpox to Australian Abos? Seems hard to believe.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I wouldn't expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn't surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...


    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    Replies: @songbird

  224. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    Of course AP doesn't read Business Insider to follow the Ukraine war. He read the story somewhere else and is providing a more neutral looking source to make it more credible.

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    Replies: @AP

    But his own link explains that these 3 scientists were arrested well before the Kinzhal attack the day before yesterday. In fact, the latest arrest was last April so these arrests had nothing to do with any failed destruction of the Patriot system. Read the full article.

    This is a good catch, I hadn’t realized that. Thank you.

  225. @Ivashka the fool
    @AnonfromTN


    You don’t have to agree with people to find their comments worth reading.
     
    Absolutely. It is all just good conversation. We have no influence whatsoever on the world affairs, all we can do on UR is vent a little and have some fun. Sometimes, some folks here contribute really interesting stuff, I confess that I didn't in a very long time. Mea culpa, will try to do better in the future.

    Speaking of millions, you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting...

    🙂

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…

    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Great quote from AnonfromTN


    In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.
     
  226. AP says:
    @Ivashka the fool
    @sudden death

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn't see themselves as Ukrainian. And I didn't know that his mother was Russian. Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable and wouldn't have led to a separation if the Judeo-Bolshevik and their Noviop offspring didn't put a wedge between the two branches of Rus people.

    You're also right that Zoshhenko had an excellent sense of humor.

    And I also agree about your Irish vs Lithuanian comparison. BTW, I think it was also better have been Baltic than some glubinka Russian in the late USSR. At least according to this:


    Who lived well in the USSR.
    You can slap your tongue about the equality of the Soviet peoples for a long time, but facts, especially statistics, are a stubborn thing.
    Take such an indicator as “the average area of ​​personal houses built by the population at their own expense” in each of the republics of the USSR in the early 1980s (“Historical and Economic Research”, No. 4, 2022). The indicator tells whether people had money, the opportunity to get building materials, help from local authorities, etc. Two words can be said - "quality of life".

    The average area of ​​the house in the USSR was 76.9 square meters. m.
    In the RSFSR, the area of ​​the house was 10% smaller.
    But in Georgia - 40% more (more than 100 sq. m.).
    In Latvia +39%.
    In Estonia +35%.
    In Lithuania and Armenia +33%.
    In Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan +22%.

    Worse than Russians in this indicator were only Tajiks and Uzbeks.
     
    That's Priannikov again, he's my type of Noviop.

    🙂

    Replies: @AP

    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian

    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable

    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @AP

    Ok, we have discussed this many times and I don't want to start this debate again. I know that you are an unrelenting debater, and I know that I will rapidly lose interest.

    I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.

    🙂

  227. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    It's easy enough to make the equivalence and say that AI et. al. is just the same as the printing press et. al. They all have caused a furor in their day. It's certainly and argument that I've heard many times.

    I think the argument misses a few critical details though. All the past innovations have not truly been assimilated seamlessly into human society. They have fundamentally changed society in many and progressively accumulating ways. This is neither here nor there as a value judgement, I'm just pointing the fact out.

    Whether past technologies have been a good, bad or a mixed bag is debatable but in the past they mostly happened on a long time scale which allowed human individuals and societies time to adapt. Now we have innovation falling fast and thick which allows absolutely no time for reaction or adaptation. We're even more at the mercy of the relentless, one could even say inhuman, pace of innovation. AI could just exacerbate this dynamic.

    Also, the nature of web based innovation is that they are fundamentally different from past forms of innovation. Internet tech is fundamentally divorced from the physical world and human societies, needs, and personalities in ways that the printing press or telegraph could not be. Something like a Metaverse or AI can shape society in directions that are not ever recognizably human.

    To your last question on opting out, then my qualified answer is yes. I already opt out of a lot of things on religious/ philosophical grounds and on health questions it would depend. For example, I would never even consider the use of IVF, and I am opposed (though my vanity protests a bit) to spending time and money doing something about the small but growing bald spot on my noggin.
    I'm fine with doing things to improve my health and vitality as I age, but if science found a way to radically extend human lifespans I would have to opt out no matter how tempting it would be. I think it is just too anti-social a concept.

    So, it all depends. One thing I do believe though is that everyone should put some time into thinking through what their own limits are in relation to technology. If we don't personally set red lines then technological innovation will ensure that we never set limits. I think we are at the point where fundamental decisions will have to be made (and already are made) within our lifetimes that will fundamentally shape humanity, and if my own decisions ensure that I'm part of a distinct and alien subclass in the future then I'm fine with that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mikel

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I’m definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn’t pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or “quantum entanglement” between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don’t see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don’t seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn’t even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don’t get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don’t exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won’t hesitate to take the pill.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Thanks for the reply. I'll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.


    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.
     
    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven't categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    Replies: @Mikel

  228. @songbird
    Is it true that chickenpox was nearly as fatal as smallpox to Australian Abos? Seems hard to believe.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I wouldn’t expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn’t surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well…

    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    Hadn't been thinking about age at all. Might be a big factor with pregnant women.

    Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.

    It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren't so specific but are more generalist.

  229. @AP
    @Mikel


    If I refuse to waste my limited time listening to anything McGregor has to say, can you explain why I should read Thomas Theiner’s tweets instead
     
    The first 1o minutes are fine. He is no MacGregor:

    https://youtu.be/1IDWhSHgS-U

    When someone claims something absurd on its face, like Russians bombing themselves or Russians retreating because they never intended to attack in that place really, you know it’s BS
     
    Or Russia destroying the Patriot battery?

    In summary, I don’t know what happened to the Patriot system but most likely some component was hit.

     

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard. Damage was minor and didn’t effect functioning, and was repaired.

    Only evidence of “destruction” was from a doctored video.

    Replies: @Mikel

    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.

    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    Replies: @Mikel

  230. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    A component was hit by debris from a drone that was destroyed by a Gepard.
     
    Of all the possible places drone debris could fall on it happened to be on a Patriot lol

    Replies: @AP

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP


    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 
     
    OK. And why should I believe that you've had access to all that privileged information?

    Replies: @AP

  231. @AP
    @QCIC

    The same clown claimed ongoing use of chemical weapons by Ukraine and in February wrote how Russian would conquer Ukraine in its spring offensive:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/the-coming-russian-offensive-part?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

    Replies: @QCIC

    LOL. There are plenty of clowns on all sides.

    Maybe he meant bioweapons? 🙂

  232. @AnonfromTN
    @Ivashka the fool


    you still do wet lab all by yourself? Usually a researcher would have some students or research assistants working the protocols. You probably enjoy pipetting…
     
    Of course I have post-docs and students in the lab. But my success rate is higher than theirs, about 70% (anyone who tells you that his/her success rate is 100% is a liar). Besides, the only thing that gives you instant gratification in science is benchwork. You do something, and a hour or a day later see that it worked. Papers and grants give you only delayed gratification. In fact, when I get a message that the grant is awarded, I look at the grant to remember what exactly did I promise: the time lag is 6-8 months (which also means many experiments and a few papers).

    Also, bench skills are like sports: when you have lost shape, it’s forever. So, as long as I do research, I intend to do something real. In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Great quote from AnonfromTN

    In experimental science news can come only from the bench: if you found something on the web, it might be new to you, but it’s not new, as someone has already put it there.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
  233. @AP
    @Ivashka the fool


    Well you are right, most educated people in Poltava didn’t see themselves as Ukrainian
     
    They did. Or as Little Russians, not as Great Russians.

    Poltava is where Kotlyarevsky was from, the gentry from there (like him) were aware of their nationality. It was the original center of the nationalist idea.

    Anyway, despite whatever AP and Mr Hack believe, the ethnic divide between the Velikoross and the Maloross was negligeable
     
    Before Bolsheviks, most Ukrainians voted for Ukrainian parties with a platform of separation. During the Russian Civil War (before Bolshevik influence) there were no significant pro-Union forces or movements among ethnic Ukrainians. There was plenty of warfare.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Ok, we have discussed this many times and I don’t want to start this debate again. I know that you are an unrelenting debater, and I know that I will rapidly lose interest.

    I will leave you to debate with those who are more of a match to your debating skills. That would be Becow and Dima, your faithful sparring partners. BTW, I find your debating abilities quite remarkable and I wish I cared enough about anything to debate with such dedication.

    🙂

  234. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'm sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At least he's trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

  235. Coyote range by decade

    • Thanks: Ivashka the fool
  236. @Mr. Hack
    @Ivashka the fool

    To be honest, I don't listen to Kitaro's music much these days either. I used to listen to him a lot. His music just seemed to fit the description that you indicated you were looking for. His music has the unique quality of being both simple and complex at the same time. It's still magical to this day, and he's certainly won enough awards and has maintained a huge loyal fan base around the globe, to be still considered a viable composer. In addition to "Tojiki' and of course his ground breaking "Silk Road", you might enjoy listening to this one too:

    https://open.spotify.com/album/6A3DEe0fuhMHURqABE90Tf?si=NWO5RMVAReaHgQyfsF2GWg

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    The internet is the postmodern Silk Road.

  237. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Thanks for that thoughtful reply. I agree with many points and I have also decided to opt out of certain conveniences of modern life but in my case it's not for philosophical or religious reasons, it's just because I feel they don't add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature. I think.

    But I'm definitely much more moderate than you. In particular, I find your position quite extreme on these two subjects:

    IVF-

    I hope you didn't pay much attention to the discussion above about secret complications in this type of pregnancy or "quantum entanglement" between embyo and mother (!). Wikipedia has a good section on the known complications of IVF, which do appear to exist, and I don't see the slightest sign of obfuscation. One thing that many Unz commenters don't seem to be able to appreciate is that the US is not the world. This is a 40+ year old technology that wasn't even invented in the US and is used all over the world. The fact that IVF is very lucrative for some in the US is totally immaterial. Doctors practicing it in Communist China, the USSR or social-democrat Europe don't get any of those benefits and had no incentives to adopt a technology based on lies.

    The most common complication of IVF, as everybody knows, is multiple pregnancy. But this is by design. Doctors implant several embryos in order to maximize pregnancy chances and this may result in multiple pregnancy. But this in fact means (imho) that children born from IVF are the result of an enhanced selection process that may make them more fit than average. First they go through the usual selection of the fittest spermatozoon fertilizing the egg. Then the best embryos are selected to be implanted and then the fittest one/s manage to develop and be born from a mother that is often infertile and thus not the optimal child bearer. On the other hand, these are usually children of infertile couples so that introduces an element of unfitness. Both factors possibly cancel each other out, more or less.

    In any case, if you or your wife were infertile but could have lovely, healthy children through IVF I find it very radical to give that possibility up.

    Life Extension-

    Here I am unable to follow your objections at all. Life is quite good in general for me. I am surrounded by loved people and I find enjoyment in lots of things. I want to be around for as long as I can. In fact, my personal experience is that even people who are in constant pain and suffering have no rush to leave this world. My only objection to life extension technologies is that they still don't exist, in spite of what some grifters say. Nothing seems to be more effective than practicing exercise and being fit, which probably adds 5-10 years of life on average if done seriously. Supplements lack solid empirical validation, although rapamycin may be a good candidate. But this is a potent drug at the usual dosage for immune complications and it is not yet known what dosage, if any, could provide humans with the longevity benefits that have been observed in lab animals. If they figure it out I for one won't hesitate to take the pill.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Barbarossa

    Thanks for the reply. I’ll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.

    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.

    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven’t categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don’t worry though, I wasn’t swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn’t have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren’t inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn’t about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can’t seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I’m not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can’t be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I’m not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I’ve come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn’t have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    Good points on IVF. To be honest, I hadn't thought about them. All I know is that couples that discover that they are infertile often go through a lot of anxiety. Their revealed preference shows that in general human nature leads people to try the closest thing to what's natural: getting pregnant and continuing their genetic lineage. Reasonable aspirations, as far as I'm concerned, but I also respect your point of view and no longer consider it radical, now that you've explained it.

    As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it's prohibitively expensive, which most likely won't be the case. Not for long anyway.

  238. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    I’m sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it’s the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom’s cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it’s got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Barbarossa


    Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society from any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.
     
    True. It's like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  239. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I'm sure Thiel would have the ultimate libertarian argument for how every part of that is hunky dory okay and not creepy and parasitic AT ALL.

    See, it's the free market. The invisible hand of the market decides that there is a market for the blood of the young and healthy. A rich ruling class would like to live much longer and decides to shop around for young blood. Young people can make an informed autonomous economic decision to participate in this exciting opportunity to finance their college degrees or sick Mom's cancer treatments. Yay, everybody wins and a rising tide floats all boats!

    Yup, it's got me convinced. Nothing sick or creepy there at all.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    Technology has it’s own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society from any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    True. It’s like a self-driving Tesla on autopilot. What could possibly go wrong ?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    If technology has been a self driving rationale by default thus far it really makes you wonder what happens if AI gives that process some measure of agency.

    The notion sure doesn't float my boat.

  240. @German_reader
    @AP


    I suspect that Polish Patriot systems would shoot down attempts to nuke Lviv.
     
    Really amazing how it already seems to have become a "fact" that it's possible to defend against a Russian nuclear attack.

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123, @AP, @Yevardian

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian’s books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I’ll read Ronald Syme’s “The Roman Revolution” fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic… yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I’ve never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you'll forgive me, if I'm not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don't think Russia's invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it "evil" and "criminal", to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history...) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians...apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
    Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  241. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Thanks for the reply. I'll be happy to explain a bit more what my objections are to each case.


    my case it’s not for philosophical or religious reasons, it’s just because I feel they don’t add anything to my life and giving them up actually makes me feel truer to my nature.
     
    Personally, I would say that this is a sort of philosophical motivation on your part, even if you haven't categorized it as any formal or systematic philosophy.

    To expand on IVF. Don't worry though, I wasn't swayed by the previous discussion on IVF, my objections are more prosaic!

    If my wife and I couldn't have children naturally we would adopt. Actually even though we have 5 of our own kids we are seriously planning on adoption at some point in our future. To me IVF seems like a selfish decision given how many children there are who really need homes and the amounts of money and time involved.

    Another objection is the slippery slope aspect. Once IVF was fully normalized and accepted then it is only logical that the same technology will be used for designing customized babies. Also, whether or not one believes that an embryo has any sacred nature whatsoever, it seems hard for me to doubt that the act of bringing forth, destroying, and tinkering with the processes of human life generation in a lab will reduce it to just another empty mechanistic process. Gay people can have babies! Have a surrogate carry your baby so you aren't inconvenienced!

    I firmly believe that there are certain things that humans are better off not messing around with, and this is one of them. Technology has it's own endless logic of progression and because we have divorced it as a society form any ethical or moral structure it proceeds mostly unimpeded.

    My opposition to radical life extension isn't about opposing life, since like yourself I really enjoy my life. I have more interests than I can manage to pursue, and could probably easily fill multiple lifetimes with conversations, projects, and things to see and do.

    However, if radical life extension did become a thing it would come at a cost. Since the world can't seem to hold an endless supply of humans a radical extension of current lives would have to drastically limit life coming into the world. I'm not so sure than my own life is such hot stuff that others should be denied existence so that I can endlessly pursue my own. It actually gives me great satisfaction to think that I have my shot to accomplish things and then my children and grandchildren will have their own shot at living in the endless chain. The thing that matters is that I am steward of what previous generations have entrusted me and can be a worthy example for those that follow. Radical life extension seems like an inherently selfish act, and can't be divorced from denying something to others.

    There would be a great number of thorny ethical and societal problems that would arise from radical life extension practiced on a wide scale which make it not worth pursuing. Who decides who can have their life extended? Just an immortal rich overclass who can afford it? Is having unauthorized babies a punishable offense in such a system? Who gets to decide who gets to breed?

    And besides I'm not sure that radical life extension would make people as happy as they think it might. Faced with radical perpetualness might people become even more averse to taking physical risks and live lives riddled with anxiety over losing those enhanced years? Perhaps taking away the deadline of human life will just encourage people to fritter away even more of their time in silly ways. I find my own mortality rather bracing. I've come pretty close to biting the dust a couple times and have always been happy to realize that while I was extremely glad to keep living I wouldn't have had any regrets if I had gotten squished.

    In the case of IVF or radical life extension I think that the anti-social negatives are real regardless of the personal benefits and that it would be wrong for me to take part in them. They are just not roads that I think wise to go down since the personal gain is paid heavily by the collective society.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Good points on IVF. To be honest, I hadn’t thought about them. All I know is that couples that discover that they are infertile often go through a lot of anxiety. Their revealed preference shows that in general human nature leads people to try the closest thing to what’s natural: getting pregnant and continuing their genetic lineage. Reasonable aspirations, as far as I’m concerned, but I also respect your point of view and no longer consider it radical, now that you’ve explained it.

    As for RLE, Aubrey de Grey, who has dedicated his life to it, has very good answers to your objections. Regarding the second one, once it becomes a reality, which I think will happen sometime in the indefinite future, it is not realistic to think that people will be satisfied with only a privileged class having access to it. They will demand from politicians to make the technology available to everyone and they will achieve their goal, unless it’s prohibitively expensive, which most likely won’t be the case. Not for long anyway.

  242. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel


    I want to be around for as long as I can.
     
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Mikel

    At least he’s trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Kurzweil ?

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

  243. @AP
    @Mikel

    After the missile barrage, Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. Therefore it was close to and flying on top of the Patriot system when it was destroyed. It is not at all unexpected that a fragment of it hit one of the Patriot components.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 

    OK. And why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

  244. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    At least he's trying something with some basis on lab experiments. There is another famous nutter in the tech industry, I forget his name now, who takes ~100 pills a day. I also want to live very long but not at any cost.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, that one.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Barbarossa
    @Ivashka the fool

    Or there is always this guy.

    https://fortune.com/well/2023/01/26/bryan-johnson-extreme-anti-aging/

    His process sounds like an utter miserable pain in the ass. I think you would have to exceptionally neurotic to undertake such a regimen.

    Replies: @RSDB

  245. @Ivashka the fool
    @Mikel

    Kurzweil ?

    https://www.lifeextension.com/magazine/2005/9/report_kurzweil

    Replies: @Mikel, @Barbarossa

    Yes, that one.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    There is a photo on the web of Clinton giving him a medal.

    https://www.kurzweiltech.com/images/ray_medal2.jpg

    His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.

  246. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @AP


    Russia sent drones to inspect the area. The drone was sent to find and see if the Patriots had been damaged by the missiles when it was taken down. 
     
    OK. And why should I believe that you've had access to all that privileged information?

    Replies: @AP

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    , @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

  247. US Government-Kiev Regime Corruption

    Re: Below May 19 Andrew Napolitano-Tony Shaffer Discussion on the US Military Industrial Complex and Why the F-16s to Ukraine are Another Flop

    The below segment pertains to the citizens of leading Western countries who are increasingly being told that there’s limited government funding for domestic concerns.

    The US outspends the next seven-eleven leading nations in defense spending combined. Five of the ten leading defense spenders (US included) are NATO members. Russia has regularly ranked between four and six in defense spending. Yet Russia appears to produce artillery shells and tanks at a much better rate than what the collective West can give to the corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime, which has blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    Another good discussion on the subject well worth viewing:

  248. Forwarded to my attention –

    In the same note, this came with the following –

    An excellent summary of what the heck happened this week in the global balance of power between missile defense shields and hypersonic/high Mach supersonic arrows and why Khinzals are harder to track as they corkscrew upon reentry into the stratosphere via radar than infrared here:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-mim-104-patriot-destruction

  249. @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    …One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 – that’s how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That’s what you do since you can’t live with reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945
     
    No, it’s saying that a component had minor damage that was quickly repaired.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission
     
    Is that why when harassing the city of Kiev, Russia switched to using drones (which Patriot isn’t for) , after its failed missile barrage?



    https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1659835464478498816?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg
  250. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    I heard that some libertarians became alt-right because they concluded that free-market solutions can’t effectively handle the problem of underclass minorities.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    It’s like with the busing debate back in the day: It’s easy to support busing while sending one’s own kids to fancy private schools where the diversity is cherry-picked to only include elite black and Hispanic kids.

  251. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century’s taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!
     
    The Polish Home Army didn't coordinate their attack with the Red Army, which was quite stupid, given the latter had to strategically consider such a prompt supporting move with other matters at that point in time. When it initially appeared that it was winning, there was pro-Polish Home Army propaganda claiming the Red Army wasn't really needed.
    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

  252. @Mikel
    @Greasy William

    I have no idea what AI will end up being, though I've read credible articles explaining how it should be very helpful for the discovery of therapeutic molecules and medicine in general, but the reaction to the release of ChatGPT has tremendous resemblance to the excitement that preceded the Year 2000 flop, for those old enough to remember.

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    I can get ChatGPT to write me interesting stories about Hester Prynne getting married to a eunuch who had a sexual fetish for her scarlet letter. Is that not something?

  253. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    The Polish Home Army didn’t coordinate their attack with the Red Army, which was quite stupid, given the latter had to strategically consider such a prompt supporting move with other matters at that point in time. When it initially appeared that it was winning, there was pro-Polish Home Army propaganda claiming the Red Army wasn’t really needed.

  254. Zlatti71
    @djuric_zlatko
    Military Watch Magazine not only admits that the Russian Kinnzhal hypersonic missile disabled one of the two US Patriot batteries supplied to Kiev on May 16, less than a month after it was put on combat duty, but also writes that the second battery will meet the same fate in the near future.

    However, one may disagree with the publication on the last point. The second battery has a chance to survive. The Americans have already ordered its de-alerting and removal from firing positions until “further orders”. Experts believe that further orders will be to evacuate it from Ukraine.

    #source

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    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"

    It looks like it’s from Iran:



    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    Replies: @QCIC

  255. Don Huntsberger
    @DHuntsberger
    Another US wonder weapon apparently taken out. What arrogance for anyone to believe that they are not vulnerable, just as tanks, HIMARS, etc. Now the whine is about F16s, not invincible, neither are the F35s.
    11:35 PM · May 19, 2023
    ·

    [MORE]

  256. @Matra
    @QCIC

    Neocons and patriotards like him tried to scuttle Ronald Reagan's relationship with Mikhail Gorbachev. The rapprochment between the two superpowers had the neocons screaming with rage and accusing Reagan of being weak and soft on communism. Their country being at war or at the very least bullying others seems to give them a sense of pride and purpose that they otherwise appear to be lacking in their everyday lives.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Selective memory is amazing thing – not only first Reagan term forgotten, but very easy to ignore that US supplied the guns all the time then against invading Soviet army;)

    He even escalated it more in 1986 IIRC with providing Stingers, which negated local Soviet air superiority and was one of the causes, along with financial Soviet shortages due to Western sanctions and oil price slide, which forced to remove Soviet troops from USSR neighbouring Afghanistan in 1988.

  257. @Yahya
    A special day for the Arab world.

    Saint Zelensky of Kiev has graced us with his August presence.



    https://twitter.com/adam_tooze/status/1659633248643760142?s=61&t=4nX6Z_wpQfsu6CmqDCXHZA

    Replies: @sudden death, @Greasy William

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    It would be funny to see these two in the octagon with their shirts off. Have you seen that Vice video where the reporter goes to Andrew Tate's estate and Tate puts him in the octagon for one of his cult zombies to smack around?

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    , @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Blockbuster worldtour;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230520/ARTICLE/230529978/AR/0/AR-230529978.jpg

  258. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Your favourite academic/activist Timothy Snyder has been on a roll for a while now condemning anyone voicing concerns about nuclear escalation as a Putinversteher.
    I just heard about the latter article because apparently, the original article title was so provocative it had to be changed after negative reader-feedback.

    Have you read any of Badian's books/collected-papers yet, btw? I think I'll read Ronald Syme's "The Roman Revolution" fairly soon, after reading through the primary sources on the late Republic... yes, I ultimately decided to skip reading Livy, after starting on bokos 6-10, I just find him an excrutiatingly dull writer. Although admittedly I've never found Roman history prior to the unraveling of the Republic/the Gracchi Bros very interesting to begin with.

    https://snyder.substack.com/p/nuclear-war

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/09/opinion/russia-war-ukraine-nuclear.html

    Replies: @German_reader

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you’ll forgive me, if I’m not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don’t think Russia’s invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it “evil” and “criminal”, to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history…) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians…apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven’t read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn’t find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven’t forgotten about it.
    Can’t comment much on Livy tbh, I think I’ve only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You’re probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I’ve always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you’ve also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games…too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    Replies: @songbird

  259. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    Zlatti71
    @djuric_zlatko
    Military Watch Magazine not only admits that the Russian Kinnzhal hypersonic missile disabled one of the two US Patriot batteries supplied to Kiev on May 16, less than a month after it was put on combat duty, but also writes that the second battery will meet the same fate in the near future.

    However, one may disagree with the publication on the last point. The second battery has a chance to survive. The Americans have already ordered its de-alerting and removal from firing positions until "further orders". Experts believe that further orders will be to evacuate it from Ukraine.

    #source

    Join Slavyangrad chat. Your opinion matters.
    https://t.me/+B6ixfOM5VkxhODQx
     


    https://twitter.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1659514236018601985

    @Slavyangrad

    Join SLG 🔺 Intelligence Briefings, Strategy and Analysis, Expert Community

    Replies: @AP

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There’s no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it’s some Indian guy’s blog presented as a “magazine”

    It looks like it’s from Iran:

    [MORE]

    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it’s up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command’s output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it’s often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 – 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site’s rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the “magazine” ranks highest. It’s categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    Replies: @AP

  260. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    That's like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany's auxilliaries in Poland in 1945 - that's how your sicko mind described the Russian victory in 1945 and liberation of Poland.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission, the Nazis were defeated while the Poles were saved by Russians.

    That's what you do since you can't live with reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    That’s like saying that one of the eastern Allies caused some damage to Germany’s auxilliaries in Poland in 1945

    No, it’s saying that a component had minor damage that was quickly repaired.

    You can try to hide behind creative verbiage that means nothing and shows your desperation, but the Patriot is out of commission

    Is that why when harassing the city of Kiev, Russia switched to using drones (which Patriot isn’t for) , after its failed missile barrage?

    [MORE]

  261. Karlin, you’re a dumb faggot.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

  262. German_reader says:
    @Sher Singh
    Karlin, you're a dumb faggot.

    https://imgur.com/a/003HGC1

    Replies: @German_reader

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don’t think there’s much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn’t ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That’s Karlin’s status now.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bZBWanhRg

    ਅਕਾਲ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Neopronouns: Veggie/grill/barbecue

    lol!

  263. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?

    It was in the Theiner video
    …Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm…. Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123


    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor
     
    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

  264. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Greasy William


    Meanwhile, Russia has arrested the Kinzhal designers

    Link?
     
    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-arrests-3-hypersonic-missile-scientists-for-treason-2023-5

    Also, are you denying that a Patriot was blown up a few days ago?

     

    Falling debris lightly damaged one of the many components, but not enough to make it non operational. It has since been repaired.

    It looks like Ukraine used Patriot to take down 4 Russian aircraft in Russian territory in order to provoke a response to see how it works under heavy fire. The Russians complied, they responded (first with the one strike and when that didn’t work, with the whole barrage), Russians failed and Patriot passed the test. Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Interview about Russia’s failed attempt:



    https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1659312113079263233?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Sean

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!

    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.

    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They’d prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024.
     
    Maybe, maybe not. The ground is still muddy though. The longer the delay, the larger the trained and well- equipped the Ukrainian force becomes. While Russia is atritted at an unfavorable rate in Bakhmut.

    How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?
     
    Does giving Himars suggest that Ukraine lost the Battle of Kiev?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.
     
    That remains to be seen.

    They also have a rather huge front manned by a force that is light enough that the Ukrainians can maneuver around it. We'll se how complex and effective those fortifications are, I suppose.

    I give the Ukrainians a 50/50 chance of seizing the Crimean corridor by the end of the season.

  265. @Mikel
    @Ivashka the fool

    Yes, that one.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a photo on the web of Clinton giving him a medal.

    His supplement volume is large enough that it displaces the quantity of healthy food he can consume.

  266. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    It would be funny to see these two in the octagon with their shirts off. Have you seen that Vice video where the reporter goes to Andrew Tate’s estate and Tate puts him in the octagon for one of his cult zombies to smack around?

  267. @sudden death
    @Yahya

    Friendship of nations developing;)

    https://www.vz.lt/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/vz/20230519/ARTICLE/230519375/AR/0/AR-230519375.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    • Replies: @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    They should take him to NEOM.

    Replies: @QCIC

  268. @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    Karlin is self-identifying as an object now, I don't think there's much point in addressing him.
    You wouldn't ask a table, or a chair or a stone for their opinion after all or talk to them, would you? That's Karlin's status now.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh, @Mr. XYZ

    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    • Agree: Ivashka the fool
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
     
    Yeah, just a bunch of stupid rightoids. While he's apparently part of "elite human capital".
    Sure thing.
    , @Ivashka the fool
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Of course Tolik thinks we are dumb. And that's okay with me. I ain't getting smarter because people think that I am smart and neither am I getting dumber because people think that I am dumb. People's subjective opinions are mostly misguided and irrelevant anyway. What is important is whether anyone of us, Tolik included, is capable of confronting our own biases and limitations. Doing this makes us better people, doing otherwise makes us worse.

  269. QCIC says:
    @AP
    @Mikhail

    FWIW:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/comments/9bkcfo/how_credible_or_noncredible_is_military_watch/

    How credible or non-credible is Military Watch Magazine?

    “ There's no editorial review and much of what they publish is filled with errors. I believe it's some Indian guy's blog presented as a "magazine"

    It looks like it’s from Iran:



    the credibility of this outlet on mediabiasfactcheck.com. The article at https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/military-watch-magazine-bias/ had this verdict to return:

    Overall, we rate Military Watch Magazine Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the promotion of pro-Russian propaganda and a complete lack of transparency regarding who is in charge of the website and where they originate

    Many articles are republished on strangemilitarystories.com and usually contain emotionally loaded language, such as “Seven Years Since Russia’s Military Intervention to Thwart NATO in Syria: A Very Different War to Ukraine.” A quote from the article reads. “Russia’s military operation in Syria is widely considered one of the most successful in the country’s history with minimal losses and objectives secured quickly and efficiently.”

    Another aspect of Military Watch Magazine is they do not list author information for articles published on the website, which presents a lack of transparency and makes it difficult to verify the information. For example, although they provide a hyperlink to credible sources like Reuters and N.Y. Times, there is no author information.
    As always, it's up to the strength of your self-awareness to judge both the militarymag and the mediabias sites, however I absolutely trust my intuition because it never failed to guide me through my life. And it tells me militarywatchmag is a rotten tomato.

    As to the information about the website proper, the whois lookup command (via the ARIN database) returned CA, Menifee provided that I interpreted the command's output correctly. I fished the IP address by using the nslookup and host UNIX commands. As it's often the case, an IP might be the IP of the ISP so that muddies the waters.

    Here it is:

    NetRange: 192.124.249.0 - 192.124.249.255
    CIDR: 192.124.249.0/24
    NetName: SUCURI-ARIN-002
    NetHandle: NET-192-124-249-0-1
    Parent: NET192 (NET-192-0-0-0-0)
    NetType: Direct Allocation
    OriginAS: AS174, AS3257, AS30148
    Organization: Sucuri (SUCUR-2)
    RegDate: 2015-04-01
    Updated: 2021-12-14
    Comment: http://sucuri.net
    Comment: [email protected]
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/ip/192.124.249.0

    OrgName: Sucuri
    OrgId: SUCUR-2
    Address: 30141 Antelope Rd
    City: Menifee
    StateProv: CA
    PostalCode: 92584
    Country: US
    RegDate: 2014-12-11
    Updated: 2020-04-29
    Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SUCUR-2
    OrgAbuseHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgAbuseName: Security Operations Center
    OrgAbusePhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgAbuseEmail: [email protected]
    OrgAbuseRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechHandle: SOC55-ARIN
    OrgTechName: Security Operations Center
    OrgTechPhone: +1-951-234-3945
    OrgTechEmail: [email protected]
    OrgTechRef: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/SOC55-ARIN
    Checking the site's rank with SimilarWeb revealed quite an interesting story. Some commentators here brought up the Indian origin. Turned out that was close: the review of the site pinpointed Iran both as the original country and the place where the "magazine" ranks highest. It's categorized as News & Media Publishers(In Iran) https://www.similarweb.com/website/militarywatchmagazine.com/#overview

    Replies: @QCIC

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    Well, the sources that claim the Patriot system was partially or completely destroyed include a blogger who claimed that Russian would conquer Ukraine soon (in February) and that Ukraine regularly uses chemical weapons, a shady Iranian source, and the Russian MOD. These are no more credible than claims by the Ukrainian MOD. And the only proof of those claims is a doctored video.

    In terms of actions - if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.

    Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.

  270. German_reader says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    Yeah, just a bunch of stupid rightoids. While he’s apparently part of “elite human capital”.
    Sure thing.

  271. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Has he been to the Kaaba yet?

    Replies: @Ivashka the fool

    They should take him to NEOM.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Ivashka the fool

    Will that be a good place for him to show off his dance moves?

  272. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    The Principle of Gender.

    Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kybalion#Seven_Hermetic_principles

    (According to this one source) gender is a component of everything, and Karlin has a gender whether he likes it or not.

    I identify as a saguaro cactus, but only when I am addressing morons. Perhaps AK is doing likewise. He posted on twitter he thinks we are a bunch of idiots.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg/576px-Carnegiea_gigantea_in_Saguaro_National_Park_near_Tucson%2C_Arizona_during_November_%2858%29.jpg

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ivashka the fool

    Of course Tolik thinks we are dumb. And that’s okay with me. I ain’t getting smarter because people think that I am smart and neither am I getting dumber because people think that I am dumb. People’s subjective opinions are mostly misguided and irrelevant anyway. What is important is whether anyone of us, Tolik included, is capable of confronting our own biases and limitations. Doing this makes us better people, doing otherwise makes us worse.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  273. Supposedly, only 34% of female college students in China ever want children.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @songbird

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  274. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I wouldn't expect it to be nearly as bad a smallpox, but I wouldn't surprised if it was really devastating. Chickenpox can be really nasty and even fatal in adulthood.

    Anyways, this was a quick interesting read on what you must be referencing. Seems to be a Woke angle to the whole issue as well...


    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6153162/chickenpox-blamed-for-aboriginal-deaths/

    Replies: @songbird

    Hadn’t been thinking about age at all. Might be a big factor with pregnant women.

    Most of my thoughts were about natural selection on the innate immune system. I wonder if chickenpox ever killed 20% of Euros, thousands of years ago. Or maybe, other members of the same family of viruses helped shape selection in such a way to protect against it, so there was some innate protection against it, before it even showed-up.

    It is a bit hard for me to conceptualize how the body could evolve protections against all these infectious diseases and have them simultaneously without one protection weakening another. But maybe, part of it is genetic diversity in the herd. Or maybe some of the advantages aren’t so specific but are more generalist.

  275. @Ivashka the fool
    @QCIC

    They should take him to NEOM.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Will that be a good place for him to show off his dance moves?

  276. @songbird
    Supposedly, only 34% of female college students in China ever want children.
    https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1659585940895981568?s=20

    Replies: @Greasy William

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Greasy William


    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour
     
    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    LOL. Either it's your problem or your nephews aren't being raised correctly to non-obnoxious kiddos.

    Done properly kids are awesome, and I can say this as someone who has 5 of them.


    children are gay, imo
     
    Spoiled kids may be gay since they make people not want to reproduce.

    Properly raised kids are the opposite. I've actually had multiple people tell me that being around my kids has made them want kids, which is the opposite of gay.

    I kind of feel bad for seeming like I'm bragging, but I have to set the record straight here!

    In honesty, other people's kids sometime make me want to smack them upside the head and then chew the parents out. Operator error is too common in raising small humans.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  277. AP says:
    @QCIC
    @AP

    Everyone lies. We have to use all the sources of information and evaluate them carefully.

    Most likely Raytheon knew the Patriot was at risk against the new threat and let it be used in Kiev to justify funding for a very high performance replacement system.

    AFAIK, the Scud debacle gave support for the PAC-3 missile development and production.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, the sources that claim the Patriot system was partially or completely destroyed include a blogger who claimed that Russian would conquer Ukraine soon (in February) and that Ukraine regularly uses chemical weapons, a shady Iranian source, and the Russian MOD. These are no more credible than claims by the Ukrainian MOD. And the only proof of those claims is a doctored video.

    In terms of actions – if Russians had successfully taken out parts of the Patriot complex one would expect them to take out the rest. Or to use more missiles in Kiev to take out targets that are now helpless.

    Instead, Russia switched to using drones (that the Patriot is not designed for) over Kiev, and launching missiles elsewhere. It is avoiding the Patriot system, suggesting the Patriot system successfully defeated the massive earlier barrage.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  278. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    Who would expect that Kiev or Washington would feel compelled to tell the truth even if it meant they would reveal what Russia tactics and weapons are proving most effective against Ukraine?; that is obviously operationally highly sensitive information that any Russian general would give his left nut for!


    Now Ukraine knows it can count on it during the late spring or summer offensive.
     
    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024. How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    I think the Ukrainian offensive is already in full swing, because it is a psychologicalwarfare tactic. They'd prefer a real firepower and maneuver one, but they cannot. A chimp in a cage would not chatter if it could do something more effective

    Replies: @AP

    Come the end of summer they will have to find some new excuse for not starting it until spring 2024.

    Maybe, maybe not. The ground is still muddy though. The longer the delay, the larger the trained and well- equipped the Ukrainian force becomes. While Russia is atritted at an unfavorable rate in Bakhmut.

    How about waiting for the F16 pilot to be trained (that the US has suddenly decided Ukraine needs F16s suggest things are not actually going all that well for Ukraine)?

    Does giving Himars suggest that Ukraine lost the Battle of Kiev?

    Russian engineers may not have created terribly effective missiles but they are laying landlines (making radio intercept intel unavailable,) and creating some very complex fortifications including multi triggered minefields, which no one is going to be volunteering to lead the way through. The fortifications have gaps, but those are where Ukraine would have predictably have to thrust, and thus they are killing grounds are all set up and waiting.

    That remains to be seen.

    They also have a rather huge front manned by a force that is light enough that the Ukrainians can maneuver around it. We’ll se how complex and effective those fortifications are, I suppose.

    I give the Ukrainians a 50/50 chance of seizing the Crimean corridor by the end of the season.

  279. AP says:
    @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to “test” the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn’t work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That’s what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:


    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

     

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.
     
    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

  280. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    The Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944. Quite compassionate!

    And Poland subsequently got almost half a century's taste of Communist rule. But at least Poland also got the Recovered Territories and the opportunity to avoid mass Muslim and African immigration. That *almost* made half-a-century of Communist rule worth it for Poland. *Almost.*

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    …Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944

    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don’t expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up – and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Might be seen as a golden age once the Negritude hits Warsaw.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.
     
    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn't, had you been a Pole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  281. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @A123


    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
    • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
    • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
    • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor
     
    Sounds right.

    The numerous downed Russian missiles were also quite costly.

    The sequence of events seems to be:

    1. Ukraine used the forward-placed Patriot system (somewhere in northern Ukraine) to provoke the Russians by downing 4 Russian aircraft over Bryansk (these were very expensive btw). They wanted Russia to "test" the known Patriot system in Kiev, to see how the Patriot system would work during the late spring/summer offensive.

    2. Russia went for the bait, first attempting to down the Patriot system with a lone Kinzhal missile. The supposedly unstoppable missile failed to achieve the goal. American military tech beats Russian.

    3. When that didn't work, Russia unleashed a large sophisticated barrage of many missiles. This also failed.

    Ukraine now knows that the roving Patriot system can be useful during its offensive, y taking down Russian jets and missiles.

    And Russia knows not to waste more missiles on Kiev. The Patriot system is of course designed to take down missiles, planes and helicopters. It is very good at that. It is largely useless against drones and smaller objects. That's what things like Gepards are for. So Russia is attacking Kiev with lots of drones now. If it manages to seriously damage the Patriot system eventually, this will be done with a drone.

    Replies: @A123

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.

    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123

    We don't know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has stockpiled. Apparently at least enough for that barrage and then some, Moscow isn't sending more Kinzhals or others into Kiev. It was instead sending them to places like Odessa that aren't covered by a Patriot battery.

  282. Sean says:

    So we are being told where and when. Obvious to me this is a scare tactic. In my opinion the Ukrainians want to stop the Russian front line troops being rotated out, thereby eroding their effectiveness. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting all this great training in combined arms maneuver warfare and the new Western arms deliveries. Yet in war the measure is relative power; with all this time the Russians are being given the dragon’s teeth may be quite well built.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.


    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.



    A ship or a freighter etc.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  283. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    Might be seen as a golden age once the Negritude hits Warsaw.

  284. @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Yeah, I saw it mentioned on Twitter that Snyder is now apparently an expert on nuclear war (especially its non-existent risk) too. I think you'll forgive me, if I'm not going to read his piece. Really have to say, while I don't think Russia's invasion was justified (and I would even agree calling it "evil" and "criminal", to the extent avoidable wars of choice generally are), a lot of pro-Ukrainian Westerners are among the most unlikeable people I could think of. Recently saw some hysterical mid-aged woman (affiliated with the German Greens, with academic degrees in Eastern European history...) on Twitter who casually stated that Russians on Crimea would just have to leave, like British colonial servants left India after independence. Because Crimea really belongs to the Tatars (or Ukrainians...apparently no difference) after all. Leaves me at a loss for words, I find these militant Westerners with all their self-righteousness and hypocrisy deeply repellent.
    No, I haven't read Badian yet, sorry. Looked through the volume of his collected essays on Alexander, but tbh I didn't find the topic that interesting, so decided to skip it. I intend to read his essays about the Pentekontaetia though, I haven't forgotten about it.
    Can't comment much on Livy tbh, I think I've only ever read the first book, and that was a long time ago. You're probably right though, Livy does have that kind of reputation (naivety, excessive moralizing etc.) after all.
    In general I find Roman history much less appealing than something like classical Athens, both too universalist (asylum Romuli and the eventual transformation into a world empire) and oligarchic for my taste. I agree that the late republic is especially interesting, though I've always found it difficult to get a grasp on what exactly it was all about (especially the dimension of social conflict, which is definitely hinted at by Sallust, but then you've also got modern interpretations claiming that it was all just about aristocratic power games...too bad our sources are so limited and so dominated by Cicero).

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn't seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can't find a book.

    https://youtu.be/1O3NVRlbnSY

    Replies: @German_reader

  285. @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    The First King, filmed by Italians using Latin is a very good little film about the foundation of Rome.

    From what I can tell Moscow was founded in much the same way. It was basically a refuge far from the princes in the east (Kiev and Pskov, Novgorod etc). A catch all for Slavs who were colonising East.

    Replies: @songbird

    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths. The only ancient collection I have heard of is Gaius Julius Hyginus. He doesn’t seem very well regarded, but more importantly I can’t find a book.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    I was wondering recently if there is any good general book on Roman myths.
     
    Are there actually even any Roman myths in the sense the Greeks had? I can't think of any (unless you count Aneas and the Roman foundation myth), it's mostly quasi-historical stories from the time of the kings and the early to mid-Republic (Horatius at the bridge etc.).
    Don't know what the current consensus on archaic Roman religion is, iirc there once was a view that its deities were more abstract natural forces and less anthropomorphized than Greek gods. In any case there was strong Greek influence from quite early on.

    @Wokechoke: thanks for the movie recommendation!

    Replies: @songbird

  286. @Greasy William
    @songbird

    children are gay, imo

    There is no greater non joy in life than that provided by children. When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour

    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @songbird

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  287. @AP
    @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn't listen to whole 40 minute interview, it's covered in the first 10 minutes). After the missile barrage, observation drones were sent in, and also shot down. Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Mikel

    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)

    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can’t explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    What's so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvw

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos
     
    What was inaccurate there?

    Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don't want to engage in further acts of futility.

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?

    Replies: @QCIC

  288. @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    What’s so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikhail

    https://static.rusi.org/403-SR-Russian-Tactics-web-final.pdf

  289. @A123
    @AP



    @Mikel

    why should I believe that you’ve had access to all that privileged information?
     

    It was in the Theiner video
    ...Presumably there is evidence of that. One of those was the source of the damage to the Patriot component.
     
    All sides are presuming far too much. The presence of an obviously fake video does not mean that the opposite case is true.

    The facts that everyone agrees on are:
        • Ukraine chewed up 30 Patriot interceptors in one engagement
        • Global production of interceptors is 250-500 per YEAR
        • Cost is $3-5 million per interceptor

    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:
        ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
        ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
        ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.
    ____

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome is designed to deal with the best that Iran can produce & smuggle. It is much less expensive, because the opposition is not very good. Interceptors ~$50K each and produced in considerable quantity. Iron Dome is 95%+ successful against leading edge Iranian threats, primarily guided rockets and smaller missiles.

    How useful would Iron Dome be against Russian theatre scale weapons, such as long range cruise missiles? Ummm.... Near 0%. It is not designed for that purpose. A complete Dome interceptor is only 90kg and it carries a ~5kg shrapnel system. Could Iron Dome engage and deliver a hit? Possibly. Would a 5kg package do any damage? Doubtful.
    ___

    The fact that Not-The-President Biden is considering sending one Iron Dome package to Kiev shows how bad Democrat mismanagement of the Pentagon has become.

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a 'war economy' in an election year.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel

    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.

    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”. The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    ROTFLMAO


    this top-notch system [Iron Dome] hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”.
     
    Iron Dome effectively countered top notch Iranian guidance packages delivered to their proxies, such Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ]. These systems were rendered almost "entirely useless". 1,500 high tech Iranian weapons were launched from Gaza. ~300 fell short killing at least 4 Muslim colonists, including 1 child. At the same time Iron Dome was so effective at countering the air threat, only 1 Palestinian Jew was killed.

     
    https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtvn59-16wx620hpdiwOYLG_EY9NknRscJyps7mhQRsdx963qLZjTQwBKJ3OAkQ7-6BXf3QbP5XBNlHNveIpETssz0mWkOhHDy9X0UgkAdf3-Lfoao4eiKd5qXdOPCmSwwKhsAxeahf0zi8Jph5o3h4Gr5ktA9bAZZHa3eMKHSi9xXhi9l0Q/s4096/FwLb3uaWwAQwfNl.jpg
     

    I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.

    The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) -- Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
    ____

    Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?

    I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden's campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @Mikel


    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.
     
    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn't affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.
     
    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    "On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    "In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away."

    Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split

    (China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)

    Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.

    The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine's Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  290. @Mikhail
    @Mikel

    What's so wrong with this one when compared to CNN, MSNBC PBS, BBC, NPR babble?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L02V9XI7lvw

    Replies: @Sean

  291. @Sean
    So we are being told where and when. Obvious to me this is a scare tactic. In my opinion the Ukrainians want to stop the Russian front line troops being rotated out, thereby eroding their effectiveness. Meanwhile Ukraine is getting all this great training in combined arms maneuver warfare and the new Western arms deliveries. Yet in war the measure is relative power; with all this time the Russians are being given the dragon's teeth may be quite well built.

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p08mt3g2.jpg

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.

    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.

    A ship or a freighter etc.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't think China is planning to move until the 2030's

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  292. @songbird
    @Greasy William


    When I babysit my nephews I want to shoot myself after an hour
     
    But that is like 0.5 Greasies!

    The ideal system would be to shovel off the scut work to someone else, who is not a bluehaired feminist. Some people say multigenerational living, get the grandparents to do part of it.

    I wonder if the future might see some form of clans return, specifically to help solve natalism.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Children do not smoke, do not drink, and some of them have psychic powers. Everybody has their plusses/minuses. Negroes are good at basketball.

  293. @Wokechoke
    @Sean

    The Russians are potentially in a good spot.


    All the Chinese need do right now is something to someone somewhere in East Asia. The US will have to shut all this down. The entire web of alliances will pull apart.



    A ship or a freighter etc.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I don’t think China is planning to move until the 2030’s

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    G7 meeting Japanese statement…they sound fucking nervous.

  294. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    I don't think China is planning to move until the 2030's

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    G7 meeting Japanese statement…they sound fucking nervous.

  295. @Greasy William
    @songbird

    This is a really good point. Modern life has made everything easier except for child rearing. When you have tight knit communities and multi generational households, raising even large numbers of children is a breeze. Even I could probably handle being a father if I was living like a haredi Jewish man (i.e. never having to interact with or care for your children)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Children do not smoke, do not drink, and some of them have psychic powers. Everybody has their plusses/minuses. Negroes are good at basketball.

  296. Recently was curious about what happens to mosquitos when you slap them and miss and only get one leg, and they fly off.

    This seems to suggest that they can still bite and lay eggs.

  297. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Red Army did nothing while the Warsaw Uprising was crushed in 1944
     
    The Warsaw uprising was done by the Polish nationalists with aggressive anti-Russian views. Whatever else one thinks about the Russians, why should they die in even larger numbers to assist the people who hate them? Who does that? Give us one example.

    It is impossible to understand the idiotic dual view that Russians are evil and at the same time that Russians should sacrifice more. So that Polish nationalists can claim that they won against Germans. As the sicko AP is doing here, when he doesn't regret that Poles didn't join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    Pick a side and stick with it: if Russia is an enemy don't expect them to save your hide.

    There were plenty of Polish commies that took part on the 1945-90 era, I believe 3 million was the average number. Poland also almost doubled its population, received as a gift huge German lands, the infrastructure was built up - and all of it while staying European. Not the worst period in the Polish history.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @AP

    AP is doing here, when he doesn’t regret that Poles didn’t join the Nazis in exterminating the Russians.

    This is a lie.

    I never stated or implied that I regretted that the Poles turned down multiple offers by the Nazis to join them in an anti-Soviet alliance.

    I merely pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence. Russians, in their lack of gratitude, watched while the brave anti-Nazi Poles died in Warsaw.

    Your people did join the Nazis in an alliance though. If Poles were like your people, millions of Poles would not have lost their lives.

    Given what your people did, you are just assuming that Poles should regret not joining the Nazis, because clearly you would have regretted that they didn’t, had you been a Pole.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    In a scenario where the Poles would have allied with the Nazis against the Soviets, the Soviets could have also blamed the Anglo-French for not supporting them. But Yeah, a sin of omission is less bad than a sin of commission.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    The Poles did side with the Germans over the Czechoslovakia question. If the Poles had been adults they may have even granted the USSR passage through to the Czechs to deter Germany. Jackal like behavior.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ..pointed out that by doing so, Poles saved the Russians from non-existence.
     
    You are lying now. You directly stated that "Russians should be grateful that Poles didn't join the Germans in exterminating them". In a very offensive way you reversed what actually happened - Russians saving Poles from death in WW2 at cost of half million Red Army soldiers. Instead you engaged in 'what-if' history and claimed that if Poland joined Germany there would be now no Russia. Quite sick given that 20 million people died. But your American stupidity has no limits when it pairs up with your ethnic hatred. Keep on dreaming.

    An important point is that if the Poles did join the attack on Russia it would still fail. Russia with its allies were stronger and adding the Poles to the Nazi column wouldn't change it. It would mean a few more million dead on all sides, and Poland would cease to exist after the inevitable Russian victory.

    You are going for it again, this time with under-powered and remote Anglos. The odds are that will result in huge regrets. But go for it, it may be the only way to cure and eliminate the pathological Polish hatred. Don't come back crying when it blows up in your face.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  298. @Mikel
    @AP


    It was in the Theiner video (I didn’t listen to whole 40 minute interview, it’s covered in the first 10 minutes)
     
    I couldn't even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor's videos. I have already explained what motivates me in the limited time I have to choose my information sources and I can't explain it better than that. But feel free to believe whatever you want (including stories about arrests of Russian scientists for the failure of the Kinzhals). We just have different needs and motivations.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AP

    I couldn’t even finish those first 10 minutes. It actually is worse than what I remember of McGregor’s videos

    What was inaccurate there?

    Furthermore, did the Russians stop trying to attack Kiev with missiles after the massive (failed) barrage or not?

    If so, this suggests that the barrage failed and they don’t want to engage in further acts of futility.

    Logically, if Russia managed to take out part of the Patriot system they would then finish it off, or launch more missiles to destroy other targets and demonstrate the superiority of their missiles to the Patriot system.

    Instead they avoid missiles and instead attack with drones. What does that tell you is the likely result of the missile barrage?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Wait and see. I think Russia is gradually turning up the heat on Kiev to promote regime change. It seems they have a long way to go, but who knows what intrigues happen in the dark corridors of the palace?

    The information control in this War is amazing. We have vaguely compelling reports on opposing sides. Either the Mighty Patriot killed both Kinzhals and a bunch of other stuff or the Mighty Kinzhals killed the puny Patriot. We have video showing a ridiculous number of defensive missile launches which to me strongly suggest the system was overwhelmed, but can be interpreted by others as wow, the system did its job. A few were obvious duds, but the Ukrainians will say who cares, we got the Kinzhals. I think Western military people have previously stated they currently have no good countermeasure for the new Russian missile. Is this a lie or what? So we have to wait, maybe someone will tell us the truth someday.

    But the most interesting part is the information control on this big event. There must be lots of video of the attack and all the debris on the ground. I saw a few pictures of several dud PAC-3 missiles, but nothing else. I don't look at Ukrainian and Russian feeds, so what have others seen? Are these feeds blocked in Western countries? Are we now like New Zealand where the government made it illegal to download the video or something equally bad?

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123

  299. @A123
    @AP

    Excellent. Now address the other points that I made:


    Even if 100% successful, critical questions include:

    ◈ How many interceptors can Kiev afford?
    ◈ What amount of inventory is available for sale?
    ◈ How useful is a Patriot system that is out of interceptors?

    Yes. That last question is rhetorical.

     

    Without a declaration of war, or at least an AUMF, the Pentagon is required to keep minimum stock levels. Guess what? We are there. And, there is no chance of switching America over to a ‘war economy’ in an election year.
     
    Patriot is good for defending high value targets. However, it also has to expend a great deal of effort protecting itself. Attempting to protect the entire city of Kiev is going will leave it out of consumables in short order.

    And, there is no way to gear up mass production of war material now that the U.S. has entered its next election season.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    We don’t know how many Patriot missiles Ukraine has stockpiled. Apparently at least enough for that barrage and then some, Moscow isn’t sending more Kinzhals or others into Kiev. It was instead sending them to places like Odessa that aren’t covered by a Patriot battery.

  300. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    It should be noted that what are currently called ghettoes in the NE were once nice neighborhoods. A lot of that was once track housing for Italians and Irish.

    It's a dirty secret but the public housing subsidies actually worked for the Italians and Irish. They could live on the dole in large scale public apartment projects which let them save for a house while working.

    Our conservatives however have decided that "big government" must be the problem and public housing works for no one as it is dirty socialistic welfare. That is false but neither side wants an honest discussion because unwanted facts about a certain minority will come to life and the allegation of "big government" being the problem loses credibility.

    Interestingly enough, here in the US, teachers, nurses, et cetera generally don’t like in ghettoes.

    The really creepy thing is that an army of teachers/doctors/lawyers/technicians commute long hours into these areas and they all view it as normal. They are mostly White Democrats and drive 2 hours to work while thinking about how racist Whites somewhere else are the problem.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Wokechoke

    Yes, mainstream conservatism in combination with the radical left, annihilated the prosperity of the white working classes. Tell me something I don’t already know though, Liberal Democracy is a crock of shit.

    Yet you do nothing domestically and support the same foreign policy that these liberal democracy dealers push.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Wokechoke

    Working class organisation of yesteryears meant they could get pay rises greater than inflation. Meanwhile the middle class held wealth as bank deposits ECT that were eaten away by inflation. Currently the affluent hold their wealth as property and assets while the workers have lost their unions and are vulnerable to a rocketing cost of living

  301. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    ROTFLMAO

    this top-notch system [Iron Dome] hasn’t still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza “useless”.

    Iron Dome effectively countered top notch Iranian guidance packages delivered to their proxies, such Palestinian Iranian Jihad [PIJ]. These systems were rendered almost “entirely useless”. 1,500 high tech Iranian weapons were launched from Gaza. ~300 fell short killing at least 4 Muslim colonists, including 1 child. At the same time Iron Dome was so effective at countering the air threat, only 1 Palestinian Jew was killed.

      

    I, you, AP, and everyone else has insufficient evidence to judge whether the Patriot battery was (or was not) effective. That information is not being publicly released. Both sides are pushing propaganda.

    The point that I made to AP (that you missed because you were too busy lying) — Patriot is extraordinarily expensive. And, there are limited stocks of consumable interceptors. Even if it is 100% effective tactically. There is still a strategic issue about how often it can be used.
    ____

    Lying about Iron Dome is much like lying about Trump. Your #NeverTrump antics failed horribly. Are you gearing up for equally extreme #NeverDome zealotry?

    I do want to congratulate you on you on your near schizophrenic SJW mental compartmentalization. #NeverDome is a pro-Iran position. DeNeocon #NeverTrump fanaticism is about putting boots on the ground in Iran. You simultaneously believe two things that should be mutually exclusive. This does explain your faithful service to Not-The-President Biden’s campaign. Duplicity is the bedrock of your nature.

    PEACE 😇

  302. The fateful G7 meeting.

    Agenda by the numbers…

    1. Russia
    2. China

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit

    3. Vaccines…

    There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

  303. @Wokechoke
    The fateful G7 meeting.

    Agenda by the numbers…


    1. Russia
    2. China

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/10/from-russia-to-brexit-the-key-issues-at-the-g7-summit

    3. Vaccines…


    There was a fleet review off the coast too. Then HMS Defender did it’s run on Sevastopol.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The fateful G7 meeting.

    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60

    Could be the wrong article but…

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime.
     
    Who is the Godfather -- Scholz? Or, Macron?

    Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him... Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  304. @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @A123

    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/the-us-and-uk-are-split-on-the-ukraine-war-weapons-russia-oligarchs-churchill-8540ef60

    Could be the wrong article but…

    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    SBS are conducting sabotage in Crimea already.
     
    Ukies are terrorists, but they are ham-handed terrorists: succeed once in ten tries. They did blow up rails in one place in Crimea, but the line was repaired within a few hours and trains move on it again. They try to compensate by fakes: if you read Ukie sources, they perpetrate several successful terrorists acts daily. Their propaganda outfit usually “illustrates” these fakes with pics from long ago, often from different places. Naturally, their fakes are debunked pretty quickly, but they keep faking. Well, criminal dreams are less harmful than actual criminal acts.
  305. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @A123


    I am rather concerned that people incorrectly compare Patriot with Iron Dome.
     
    You have managed to write a no-nonsense sentence. Thanks and congratulations.

    But both are AD systems developed by Raytheon. In fact, the Iron Dome has received plenty of improvement and customization from the Israelis over the years, based on real-word performance and the specific threat that it must address. The important thing though is that this top-notch system hasn't still managed to make the artisanal rockets launched from semi-blockaded Gaza "useless". The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types "useless" based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious. Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.

    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn’t affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides’ claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn’t made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.

    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    “On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army’s 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system’s handling of timestamps”

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    “In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile batteries that the U.S. sold to Saudi Arabia to intercept aircraft and missiles up to 100 miles away.”

    Ukrainians were given a newer system using much more effective PAC-3 missiles:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3221064/could-us-missile-defence-system-used-ukraine-help-taiwan-analysts-are-split

    (China claims it took Ukraine 36 PAc-3 missiles to shoot down just 2 Kinzhals, but it is motivated to downplay Patriot effectiveness in order to convince Taiwan not to spend money on it)

    Theiner was writing that had Ukraine had the PAC-2 system it would not have been able to intercept more than 50% of the missiles that Russia threw at it, and it would have been destroyed.

    The Yemenis were also using drones, which the Patriot is not made to fight. Ukraine’s Gepards and/or the Ukrainian operators appear to be better than whatever anti-drone systems the Saudis were using and/or the Saudi operators of their system.

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    @AP

    This sounds a little bit like the superiority of Flaktowers in Berlin vs Lancaster Bombers dropping incendiary bombs. Yeah the 88 was good but who is getting burned out of city after city?

  306. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Wokechoke


    The fateful G7 meeting.
     
    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime. Godfather gave marching orders. Not that they changed since the previous meeting of the same crime family.

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    Don’t badmouth G7. Normal crime family meeting: Godfather and six capo regime.

    Who is the Godfather — Scholz? Or, Macron?

    Not-The-President Biden is so useless he would not even qualify as Fredo Corleone. Though that is the way that Europe treats him… Send Fredo off to do this, send Fredo off to do that! Let Fredo to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere!

    PEACE 😇

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    @A123


    Who is the Godfather
     
    Godfather is the puppeteers of Alzheimer-in-Chief. No matter how hard you pretend, this is common knowledge.

    Macron and Scholz are both nonentities, neither even measures up to Fredo. As French joke, Macron wants to be like Putin, but the leash gets in the way.

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  307. @AP
    @Mikel


    The idea that the Ukrainian Patriot has made high tech Russian missiles of all types “useless” based on a very partisan interpretation of a single confrontation where both parties admit that the Patriot was actually damaged is not serious.
     
    Russians claim they destroyed it, Ukrainians claim that it suffered minor damage that didn't affect its ability to operate and that was repaired within about 24 hours.

    Setting aside each sides' claims, we saw a lot of stuff shot out of the sky, while the supposed explosion on the ground ended up being doctored.

    And we saw that since that barrage, Russia has switched from missiles to drones in Kiev. Despite Kiev being helpless against hypersonic missiles had the Patriot really been knocked out of service. Coincidentally, the Patriot isn't made to fight drones, only missiles and airplanes (and helicopters).

    Even Saddam back in the day managed to get a primitive Scud through the Patriot defenses and kill 20+ US soldiers. The Yemenis have recently done even better against it.
     
    Those were previous generations Patriot systems.

    The Iraq war slip up involved a software error. from wiki:

    "On February 25, 1991, an Iraqi Al Hussein Scud missile hit the barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, killing 28 soldiers from the U.S. Army's 14th Quartermaster Detachment.[81]

    A government investigation revealed that the failed intercept at Dhahran had been caused by a software error in the system's handling of timestamps"

    As for the Yemenis:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-sending-troops-saudi-arabia-shows-short-range-air-defenses-ncna1057461

    "In theory, the oil facilities both lay under the defensive umbrella of Patriot PAC-2 surface-to-air missile